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00:00<p_quarles>or did you mean sysklogd? that needs to be there, and is configured correctly
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00:01<noli>I did not configure anything lol
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00:01<noli>I do I stop that printing process ? (it is relating to the printer? if so I dont have any so I dont need it right?)
00:02<p_quarles>cupsys is the printer daemon, yes -- if you don't print, it shouldn't be there
00:02<p_quarles>are you having slow bootup issues? or just trying to optimize?
00:02<noli>it takes around 3 minutes
00:02<noli>and I have nothing on this pc.
00:03<noli>I just use it to do some bullshit and xchat..
00:03<noli>thats why I would like to speed it up..
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00:03<p_quarles>that wouldn't have anything to do with the system init scripts, then
00:03<p_quarles>I've seen people have similar problems with some non-free hardware drivers -- anything like that?
00:04<noli>i am sorry ?
00:04<jfox>Is there anyone know the last version for the kernel ? For Debian Etch.
00:04<noli>I am not really expert man.. if I can do something well otherwise I will keep it like this.. but I am bored at home and I was trying to come up with something...
00:04<p_quarles>any proprietary drivers? especially for wireless or video cards
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00:05<noli>I have a wireless card which starts at the booting..
00:05<noli>thats cool.
00:05<p_quarles>what chipset?
00:05<noli>I just deselct cupsys with sysvrunconfig
00:05<noli>how do I know my chipset ?
00:06<noli>ipw2200 ?
00:06<p_quarles>that's Intel
00:06<p_quarles>that shouldn't be giving you problems, since those work well -- I have to say I'm out of guesses for what the problem could
00:06<p_quarles>could be*
00:06<noli>maybe it is just my pc slow lol
00:07<noli>how long does it takes a normal laptop with deb to boot ?
00:07<p_quarles>well, both of my boxes boot in like 30 seconds
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00:08<noli>uhm .. maybe it is just me that I dont know what boot means...
00:08<p_quarles>noli: one thing you can do is run bootchart, to get a graphical depiction of the boot process; that should show where the slowdown is occurring
00:08<noli>I can see also an error during my booting
00:08<p_quarles>by boot, I just mean from after the BIOS to the login screen
00:09<noli>p.s. p_quarles Do you confirm my deselction of cupsys from runlevel 3 4 5 ?
00:09<p_quarles>yes; remove it from runlevel 2 as well
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00:10<noli>following ur definition of booting it takes 30 seconds as well
00:10<noli>but it still that error during my boot..
00:11<noli>I cant read the error because it pass through fast.. but I can see a RED ball with wrote ERROR
00:11<p_quarles>so what's taking three minutes, then?
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00:12<noli>p_quarles, thats what it seemed to me before.. I check it better later. thanks for ur help since now. do u think we can fix this ERROR during booting ?
00:12<p_quarles>not if you don't know what it says ;)
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00:12<noli>is there a way too see the log of the boot ?
00:13<craigevil>noli: dmesg
00:13<alaya>actually /var/log/syslog
00:14<p_quarles>dmesg, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/boot -- all have potentially useful info
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00:16<noli> check it out if u see something wrong I wil check those logs in the while.
00:16<noli>i am sorry
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00:18<noli>let me reboot fast
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00:19<qq>noli: let me BOOT fast
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00:22<noli>paniclog has not size ZERO possible broken
00:22<p_quarles>noli: nothing in there looks particularly bad
00:23<p_quarles>sorry, I have no idea what that means
00:24<noli>p_quarles, it tell me ALERT exm paniclog has not SIZE ZERO, possible broken
00:24<p_quarles>see above
00:24<noli>never mind..
00:24<p_quarles>noli: the only thing I saw in what you pasted was that the kernel was unable to find an ipv6 router
00:24<noli>can you please suggest me something fun to play around with debian to better understand what there is in each /
00:24<p_quarles>it could improve things slightly to disable ipv6
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00:25<noli>if I can please.. how do i disable it ?
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00:26<p_quarles>the second suggestion is better, imho
00:27<noli>p_quarles, nothing is gonna change in my system if I disable that option right ?
00:28<p_quarles>no -- it will just stop looking for something that it isn't there anyway
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00:29<noli>p_quarles, I dont have modprobe.conf in /etc and elsewhere
00:30<noli>do I add ipv6 in black list ?
00:30<craigevil>noli: "noipv6" is (#1) perl -pi -e 's/ipv6/off/' /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, and (#2) perl -pi -e 's/^ipv6\n//' /etc/modules, and (#3) reboot
00:31<noli>craigevil, where da hell did u find it ?
00:31<craigevil>run those commands as root in a terminal
00:31<p_quarles>noli: sorry, the link I gave was for slack -- in debian, it's /etc/modprobe.d
00:31<noli>I am restarting
00:31<noli>np p
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00:34<qq>well done craigevil ;)
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00:34<noli>what I noticed is this
00:35<qq> ?
00:35<noli>let me formulate the sentence
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00:35<noli>it is not easy write in english for me
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00:35<qq>in italiano
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00:37<noli>the screen get black in two moments. after booting before the log in screen and right after that.. I think the first one is due that I change it in LOG IN ASPECT from system - administration. while the second one I will explain now lol
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00:38<noli>the second times.. when I give my log in name and pwd.. I see the screen and then it become black again.. it is loading my desktop image and the narrow of the mouse gets bigger...
00:38<noli>so if I make those chenge as a default it will load them with the booting...
00:38<noli>do you follow my terrible english ?
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00:39<qq>go on
00:39<noli>thats it..
00:39<p_quarles>I think I follow, but I'm not sure what the question is . . .
00:40<noli>I dont like that black screen.. it makes it looks like it is loading...
00:40<noli>actually it is loading my desktop
00:40<noli>but since right after my pass I can see a blue desktop why I cant immediately see my picture ?
00:40<noli>doesnt it load everything during the booting?
00:41<p_quarles>sounds like more of a GNOME problem (which I don't use) than a booting problem
00:42<noli>p_quarles, kde ?
00:42<p_quarles>I use fluxbox -- no full desktop environment
00:42<noli>never heard about that..
00:43<noli>what u mean with NO FULL desktop.. how can it be half and half ?
00:43<qq>noli: I use icewm on PIII at 450 , is very very fast
00:43<noli>never heard even on that lol
00:43<RIVE>No icons, joust a simple environment.
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00:43<p_quarles>noli: GNOME and KDE come with everything and the kitchen sink; window managers just . . . manage windows ;)
00:43<noli>I dont need icons as well
00:43<RIVE>I like fluxbox.
00:44<qq>2-3 from login to desktop
00:44<qq>2-3 seconds
00:44<noli>against mine 6
00:45<noli>do I still have the pannel with fluxbox ?
00:46<p_quarles>noli: yes, it comes with a panel -- the #fluxbox channel on freenode is a good source of info
00:46<RIVE>If you need it you can installit.
00:46<p_quarles>actually, their wiki and official docs are really good too
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00:46<noli>do I have it on my pc or I need apt-get ?
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00:46<noli>do I need to aptget it
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00:47<p_quarles>yes; it's in the main repos
00:47<jfox77>Windowmaker is not so bad too.
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00:47<noli>I like gdm enviroment
00:47<noli>but it is still to close to windowz
00:48<noli>I like console stuff..
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00:48<jfox77>windowmaker + gnome-terminal is a good choice.
00:48<RIVE>noli, try fluxbox
00:49<p_quarles>or, you could just install fluxbox, icewm, and windowmaker, try them all out and go from there
00:49<noli>so lets say in this way.. I can give an aptget install this fluxbox and try it.. If I dont like I can remove it.. I am not gonna loose my gdm right ?
00:49<p_quarles>no, it doesn't touch gdm; except for adding an entry to the session menu on the login screen
00:50<noli>package name 'fluxbox' ?
00:50<noli>ok I put it
00:51<jfox77>Enlighment is very beautiful, but the time to configurate it is too long, i think.
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00:51<noli>upgrade it
00:52<noli>now I do I start with it ? I just need to reboot and chose from the login screen ?
00:52<jfox77>just do CTRL + ALT + backspace
00:52<RIVE>Don't need to reebot, joust finish your session.
00:52<noli>be right back with my feedback lol
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00:55<jfox77>Dockapps is very cool. I love windowmaker just for this.
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00:55<noli>I am here with my windows pc
00:56<noli>i am in with fluxbox on my other machine
00:56<noli>how do I start a cansole or internet or xchat or anything lol
00:56<noli>I dont see anything
00:56<RIVE>right click, you will se some options-
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00:58<RIVE> check that.
00:58<noli_>i just have a green screen with an epty pannel on the bottom
00:59<RIVE>Yes, thats fluxbox.
00:59<RIVE>Right click in the screen.
00:59<noli_>nothing happen
00:59<p_quarles>noli_: pastebin your ~/.fluxbox/keys file
00:59<noli_>where should I put that command _
01:00<noli_>i cant even start a console ..
01:00<p_quarles>good point
01:00<breeze>I've had to run updatedb and update-menus in fluxbox before
01:00<p_quarles>try ctrl + right-click
01:00<jfox77>there is a button on the keyboard for the right click normally.
01:00<noli_>the only right click I can give is on the bottom pannel and it make me change the clock..
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01:01<p_quarles>noli_: you may have to go back into GNOME and generate the menu file from there
01:02<p_quarles>sounds like it's just missing
01:02<noli_>holy hell
01:02<breeze>its easy, just a small thing
01:03<qq>noli_ Ctrl + F1
01:03<noli_>one thing is sure.. it starts reallly really fast
01:03<noli_>i am in gnome now
01:03<noli_>breeze, drive me
01:03<breeze>start a terminal as root
01:03<jfox77>maybe install all the packets recommanded for the package fluxbox
01:04<noli_>jfox77, I did it
01:04<qq>I think you messing some package
01:04<noli_>I give a apt-get install fluxbox
01:04<noli_>I give a apt-get ugrade
01:04<qq> apt-get install fluxbox*
01:04<noli_>nothing change
01:05<qq>try ' apt-get install fluxbox* '
01:05<noli_>I did it
01:06<qq>when ?
01:06<noli_>with the *
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01:06<breeze>noli_: are you root in a terminal?
01:07<breeze>run updatedb
01:07<gabo>i have a problem with the internet conection
01:07<noli_>breeze, command not fund
01:07<gabo>somebody can help me?
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01:08<breeze>sorry not run.... just 'updatedb'
01:08<gsimmons>gabo: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
01:08<noli_>is not goin
01:08<gsimmons>!tell gabo -about ask
01:08<breeze>and then update-menus
01:08<gabo>mi english is not very good but i gonna write
01:09<noli_>breeze, is not goin the first command
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01:09<p_quarles>noli_: you're saying that the updatedb command is not found? what's the output of "locate updatedb"?
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01:09<noli>localhost:/home/noli# updatedb
01:09<noli>bash: updatedb: command not found
01:09<gabo>mi internet conection is interrupted meny times
01:10<Xenguy>noli: or output for: which updatedb
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01:10<breeze>noli_: did the second command run?
01:10<gabo>but whe i run the comand pppoeconf the conections come back
01:10<breeze>are you root?
01:10<p_quarles>noli: are you sure you're using debian? :D
01:11<Xenguy>ob :-)
01:11<noli>I am no vista
01:11<noli>JK roftl
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01:12<noli>localhost:/home/noli# updatedb
01:12<noli>bash: updatedb: command not found
01:12<noli>localhost:/home/noli# run updatedb
01:12<p_quarles>well, I've always thought that updatedb and update-menus were part of the system, but you could try apt-getting them I s'pose
01:12<noli>bash: run: command not found
01:13<noli>localhost:/home/noli# apt-cache search updatedb
01:13<noli>libpam-ccreds - Pam module to cache authentication credentials
01:13<noli>locate - maintain and query an index of a directory tree
01:13<noli>nss-updatedb - Cache name service directories in DB format
01:13<noli>which one of these is the one u want me to run ?
01:14<breeze>noli_: try rebooting the pc and login to fluxbox...see if that works
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01:15<noli_>lets see..
01:16<noli_>gabo, i am not sure about that.. but I think u should add ur gateway ip address somewhere
01:17<gabo>is dinamic IP
01:17<noli_>guys i am on fluxbox after reboot
01:17<noli_>but no sign of any menu
01:17<noli_>any console ro run commands
01:17<noli_>just a pannel on the bottom of which i can choose position or configure the clock
01:18<jfox77>install windowmaker lol
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01:19<qq>apt-get install wmaker
01:19<qq>first Ctrl + F1
01:19<jfox77>and all packet recommanded
01:20<craigevil>noli_: if you didnt already, install fluxconf> FluxConf is a simple GTK 2.0 application allowing fast and easy configuration of the Fluxbox window manager and its keyboard shortcuts. This package also includes the fluxkeys, fluxmenu and fluxbare utilities.
01:20<alaya>fbpanel is nice too, as well as fpdesk
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01:20<noli_>what is this ctrl f1 ?
01:20<qq>first Ctrl + Alt F1
01:21<qq>first Ctrl + Alt + F1
01:21<noli_>i am in gdm now
01:21<qq>so ok
01:21<noli_>ah ok
01:21<noli_>now I go out again lol
01:23<noli_>ok I installed wmaker qq
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01:23<qq>try ' apt-get install flux* '
01:23*Xenguy believes flux is lighter than wmaker...
01:23<noli_>232 MB ?!?!?
01:24<noli_>qq is that normal ?
01:24<Supaplex>openbox3 <3
01:24<Supaplex>!start a wm war
01:24<dpkg>blackbox makes me vomit!
01:24<Xenguy>Supaplex: same as flux ? <ducks and runs>
01:24<Xenguy>Supaplex: I mean they're just variations, yes?
01:24<noli_>apt-get install flux* are 300mb
01:25<Xenguy>noli_: wmaker = the 232 Mb ?
01:25<Supaplex>Xenguy: openbox is more like flwm than flux
01:25<Xenguy>Supaplex: hrm
01:25<jfox77>yes flux is lighter and about the stability( it s the word ?)? It s the same ?
01:25<noli_>qq, to I process ?
01:25<qq>try ' apt-get install fluxconf fbpanel fpdesk'
01:26<Xenguy>jfox77: aye tx
01:26<Supaplex>but all the small wm are similar to a degree *shrug*
01:26<Xenguy>Supaplex: it depends on the level of granularity, and the sort of analysis ;-)
01:26<jfox77>xenguy , sorry i dont understand you have say
01:27<noli_>qq good !
01:27<Xenguy>jfox77: == yes, thanks
01:27<qq>how much now ?
01:27<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
01:28<noli_>i try now
01:28*Xenguy <3 the bots...
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01:29<noli_>qq nothing still
01:29<noli_>i reboot
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01:29<qq> nothing what ?
01:29<noli_>no right click still
01:29<noli_>no console
01:29<noli_>nor anyhitng
01:30<noli_>just the panel empty
01:31<RIVE>Well time to play Enemy territory, see you tomorrow.
01:31<qq>/etc/init.d/gdm restart
01:31<RIVE>Take care.
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01:31<noli_>qq fluxbox is still empty
01:31<noli_>what da hell..
01:31<noli_>what wrong with it !
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01:32<jfox77>Noli , you have to lauch startx in a tty in order to create ~/.fluxbox
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01:32<noli_>jfox77, u should give me step by step since I am totally newbbie
01:33<noli_>I was in flux
01:33<noli_>I gave ctrl f1
01:33<noli_>log as root
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01:33<jfox77>press CTRL + F1
01:33<Supaplex>uhm X as root is generally a bad idea
01:34<Supaplex>troubleshooting is okay, but be cautious
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01:34<jfox77>log you with noli
01:34<noli_>too late
01:34<noli_>i am root now
01:34<noli_>su make me root why down dont let me go back to user lol
01:34<jfox77>you have to kill gdm
01:35<jfox77>ps aux |grep gdm
01:35<qq>use exit
01:35<qq>/etc/init.d/gdm restart
01:35<qq>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
01:36<jfox77>yes it s better
01:36<noli_>operation not permitted
01:36<qq>what ?
01:36<noli_>both of them
01:36<jfox77>are u root
01:37<noli_>u told me to log in as noli
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01:37<jfox77>ok , use su
01:37<noli_>when I gave the RESTART it went back to the log in
01:38<qq>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
01:38<noli_>it stopped it
01:38<noli_>now ?
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01:39<jfox77>you have to be the user noli
01:39<qq>reboot ??? , for me
01:39<noli_>lets try..
01:39<noli_>jfox77, when
01:39<noli_>I was givin thos command as noli it was not working
01:39<noli_>i give them as root and it worked.. i am booting
01:40<noli_>should i get in fluxbox ?
01:40<qq>which command ?
01:40<noli_>and it should keep my right click ?
01:41<noli_>:( nothng yet
01:41<Xenguy>noli_: you may have to read some documentation on how to invoke flux in an X session
01:41<jfox77>With the user noli, in a terminal ( CTRL + F1)
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01:41<jfox77>echo fluxbox > ~/.xinitrc
01:42<jfox77>run this command , and run startx
01:42<noli_>on italian keyboard where is that simbol
01:42<noli_>the little snake
01:43<jfox77>it works?
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01:43<noli_>i dont find this symbol ~
01:43<Xenguy>jfox77: I think >> not >
01:44<jfox77>No i think it s > , but maybe i am wrong.
01:44<Xenguy>noli_: ~ represents you 'home' directory
01:44<Xenguy>jfox77: > overwrites; >> appends
01:44<p_quarles>noli_: the symbol (tilde) represents your home directory -- you can replace it with /home/noli/.xinitrc
01:44<qq>echo fluxbox > /home/noli/..xinitrc , adapt for you
01:45<qq>echo fluxbox > /home/noli/.xinitrc , adapt for you
01:45<noli_>then startx
01:45<noli_>it said Fatal Error
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01:45<noli_>Server is alreadt active for display 0
01:45<noli_>xinit unable to connect to server
01:45<noli_>Server error..
01:45<Xenguy>noli_: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
01:46<Xenguy>noli_: that kills the X server
01:46<p_quarles>noli_: what Xenguy said -- you need to log out before you can run startx normally
01:46<noli_>can I simply reboot _
01:46<qq> rm /tmp/.X0-lock
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01:47<noli_>then qq ?
01:47<qq>before you do 'startx'
01:48<noli_>still same error
01:48*Designed [XMMS] Player Mp3 Lacuna Coil - Self Deception
01:48<noli_>ok guys
01:48<noli_>dont worry.. fluxbox is not for me
01:48<Xenguy>noli_: hang on..
01:48<Xenguy>noli_: if you kill X, then you lose IRC?
01:48<noli_>we try so many things.. I dont wanna keep all ur time
01:49<noli_>i am on another laptop
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01:49<jfox77>ps uxa |grep X , what s the output?
01:49<Xenguy>noli_: OK (we're here cos we like providing technial support :-)
01:49<noli_>I reboot it again
01:50<noli_>jfox77, 2 process
01:50<jfox77>are you root
01:50<noli_>with root
01:50<noli_>the same
01:51<jfox77>ps aux |grep gdm
01:51<noli_>grep X and /usr/bin/X :0 - audit 0 ..........
01:51<noli_>gdm a lot of staff
01:51<noli_>two the same
01:51<noli_>plus /usr/sbi/gdm
01:52<noli_>plus /usr/sbin/gdm
01:52<noli_>plus /usr/lib/gdm/gdmyreeter
01:52<noli_>thats it
01:52<jfox77>are you in tty (CTRL +F1 ) or a desktop like gnome?
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01:52<noli_>ctrl f1
01:52<jfox77>ok its good
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01:53<jfox77>you have to see the pid of gdm
01:53<noli_>which gdm
01:53<noli_>they are all gdm
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01:54<jfox77>ok i will give a command
01:54<qq>cat /var/run/
01:54<jfox77>just type kill `ps -C gdm -o pid=`
01:55<Xenguy>noli_: pkill gdm, then (as root) /etc/init.d/gdm start
01:55<noli_>i kill it
01:55<Xenguy>noli_: assuming you have pkill (which pkill)
01:55<noli_>kill 2833
01:55<noli_>pkill 2833
01:55<noli_>i give them both
01:55<noli_>lol just in case
01:56<thyhorror>Hi all, I boot and have to type "modprobe ndiswrapper" everytime . what man do i need to read to have it load at boot ?
01:56<noli_>(I am trying to start fluxbox and make the right click work)
01:56<Xenguy>noli_: if you have pkill, it will kill ALL gdm's; then start a new gdm (see above)
01:56<noli_>Xenguy, why gdm if I need fluxbox ?
01:57<Xenguy>thyhorror: apocolypse now? :-)
01:57<Xenguy>noli_: oh, true, yes...
01:57<Xenguy>noli_: startx then
01:57<noli_>no the command startX worked
01:57<gsimmons>thyhorror: man modules
01:57<Xenguy>noli_: and probably ~/.xinitrc is involved ?
01:57<francis>hi everyone i hav a question bout init 3 : how did mine disappear?
01:58<thyhorror>gsimmons : *nods* thanks
01:58<noli_>gnome STARTED !
01:58<Xenguy>noli_: yay
01:58<noli_>WTF !
01:58<noli_>gnome was working already//
01:58<noli_>I have a prob with fluxbox lol
01:58<jfox77>the right click and the menu worked ?
01:58<Xenguy>noli_: maybe Plan A = kill X, then (re)start
01:59<Xenguy>noli_: or reboot if you are desperate
01:59<noli_>when I start fluxbox I dont have any thing.. just an empty bar
01:59<noli_>thats what we are trying to fix !
01:59<noli_>I start with qq lol and I finished with Xenguy lol
01:59<Xenguy>noli_: you installed flux with apt(itude)-get ?
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02:00<Xenguy>noli_: stop laughing, and problem solve instead :P
02:00<noli_>apt-get install fluxbox fbconf fbdesk
02:00<Xenguy>noli_: good
02:00<Xenguy>noli_: so just fricken reboot ?
02:00<noli_>I did it
02:01<noli_>but when I log in in fluxbox
02:01<Xenguy>noli_: then if you still have problems, you can really whine :-)
02:01<noli_>is not working...
02:01<Xenguy>noli_: oh
02:01<noli_>i mean..
02:01<noli_>I have just a panel at the bottom
02:01<noli_>but no console no internet I dont see anything.. netiher a console..
02:01<Xenguy>noli_: so uninstall *with purge*, then re-install ?
02:01<p_quarles>noli_: if you really want it working, you could compile fluxbox yourself:
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02:01<jfox77>the right click?
02:02<Xenguy>p_quarles: oh christ no! not compile
02:03<p_quarles>Xenguy: lol -- I did that this morning, and it's painless; they use git, so updates are painless as well
02:03<Xenguy>noli_: check your logs for clues/evidence of what the problem is then
02:03<noli_>compile is a word that i dont really like lol
02:03<jfox77>can we launch fluxbox with flux? you should try it
02:03<Xenguy>p_quarles: I refuse to compile unless absolutely forced to <shrug>
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02:04<noli>i ve no idea what to try..
02:04<p_quarles>yeah, but fluxbox is one case where the dev version is less buggy than many packages
02:04<noli>let me remove it
02:04<Xenguy>noli_: running which version of debian?
02:04<jfox77>instead of run startx , run flux
02:05<Xenguy>noli_: hrm
02:05<noli>hrm ?
02:05<noli>what is that?
02:05<Xenguy>noli_: tried what jfox77 said ?
02:05<noli>I just remove it
02:05<Xenguy>noli_: that's a fuckin 'ponder' =)
02:05<thyhorror>I had to compile the ndiswrapper module using "m-a a-i ndiswrapper" . Is there anyway I can save it so i don't have to compile everytime i install ? ie (save the module installed with "modprobe ndiswrapper) ? only i have no idea where that file might be or if if i can do what i'm thinking about .
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02:06<Xenguy>thyhorror: you no more than we do ? :-)
02:07<noli>ok I put fluxbox again
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02:07<noli_>now i am rebooting
02:07<thyhorror>no/know . and no, that's why i was asking if anyone here knows .
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02:09<noli_>if I write fluxbox
02:09<noli_>it says couldnt connect to Xserver
02:09<qq>are root ?
02:09<qq>use noli
02:10<noli_>the same
02:10<qq>noli : just in case : you have used ' startx' or 'startX ' ?
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02:10<noli_>I rebooted my system.. i press ctrl f1 and log in as noli
02:10<noli_>fluxbox cant connect to XServer
02:11<noli_>(i usually log in in GNOME from the normal screen)
02:11<p_quarles>thyhorror: not real certain, but try digging around in /sys/module
02:11<noli_>I ve no idea whats the difference betweem startx or startX
02:11<qq>use only startx
02:11<noli_>fatal error
02:12<noli_>ok I am giving up :(
02:12<noli_>I will keep goin with my gnome and thats it..
02:12<jfox77>try debian etch !!!!
02:12<thyhorror>p_quarles: thanks .
02:12<noli_>jfox77, _
02:13<noli_>i am with debian testing lerry
02:13<jfox77>i know
02:13<noli_>thats the only thing that i know
02:13<noli_>u see.. i dont even know that lol
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02:14<qq>cat /etc/debian_version
02:14<noli>noli@localhost:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
02:15<jfox77>it s time i go to sleep, in france, the sun come in.bye
02:15<qq>why sid ?
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02:15<noli>I ve no idea..
02:15<noli>what is sid ?
02:15<p_quarles>qq: for whatever reason, Lenny thinks it's Sid as well
02:15<noli>Sid ?
02:15<noli>who da heg is this lenny ?
02:16<noli>is a guy who wrote debian ?
02:16<noli>who make it better..
02:16<noli>or something like that=
02:16<p_quarles>noli: all the code names are from the movie Toy Story
02:16<qq>names are from a story
02:17<noli>I know there is slackware red hat suse lindows debian..
02:17<noli>why debian lanny ?
02:17<noli>it only the new one which is called lenny
02:17<noli>or debian always been lenny ?
02:17<p_quarles>it's just a code name for a particular version
02:17<dpkg>the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>
02:17<dpkg>rumour has it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wir> <rsn> and <siyh>).
02:18<noli>!fuckyoulenny lol
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02:18<noli>!tell lenny about -myproblem with fluxbox on debianlenny
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02:20<noli>goodnight guys
02:20<noli>thank you very much
02:20<noli>ciao qq
02:21<qq>keep up !
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02:43<sysop>does anyone know how to view a mpeg Audio Data Transport Stream in debian?
02:44<hardbop200>sysop: will vlc take care of streams?
02:44<sysop>nore mplayer nor naotun
02:45<sysop>is a capture of a mpeg stream so normal players dont seem to be able to handle it.
02:46<blarson>sysop: you could try xine
02:46<gsimmons>!tell p_quarles -about why lenny/sid
02:46<sysop>will try now
02:48<sysop>has anyone dealt with this sorta file before?
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02:49<blarson>mp3 is an mpeg audio transport...
02:50<blarson>(but not the only one)
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02:55<modnar>hey guys I'm running KDE and when i do an export var=blah the varible is only for that console is there a way to set a global varible?
02:57<pinto3>maybe add it to /etc/profile?
02:58<modnar>hmm i was hoping to only have them be temporary i'm just using them in multiple scripts and they change all the time
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03:01<blarson>modnar: you could put the exports in a script then source it with the . command in each shell you want the values in.
03:02<torrr>anyone know if the dovecot package contain sieve?
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03:04<blarson>torrr: should.
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03:07<torrr>there seem to be a libsieve package
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03:20<gsimmons>torrr: The dovecot-sieve plugin has been included since 'dovecot' 1.0rc10-3.
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03:30<unique>what the best gui for looks im new to linux
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03:31<p_quarles>unique: that is the topic of many a flamewar . . .
03:31<unique>im running ubuntu 7.10
03:31<p_quarles>unique: then you're in the wrong channel
03:31<unique>which has the most options?
03:32<suiside>unique: the best one is whatever you like
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03:53<zepard>hi people
03:54<INT_80h>who would HOST cp? thats just asking for trouble
03:54<INT_80h>eheh..wrong chan...
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04:12<Supaplex>graymatter's pretty worn down. is this the right? trap "rm -f ${tmp1}" to delete it an any exit cause?
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04:13<Supaplex>wait.. don't want to do that yet. still debugging ;) hah
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04:15<hachi>if I wanted to put a splash-image on my debian linux machine during boot. What's the method that I should go with? splashy?
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04:16<hachi>does debian have packages that install a boot image and grub will jsut pick up on it?
04:18<Supaplex>!info splashy etch
04:19<hachi>(read through update-grub and did a file search)
04:19<Supaplex>mmm 1m
04:19<dpkg>from memory, bootsplash is && (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot, or superseded by <splashy>
04:19<Supaplex>!info bootsplash etch
04:19<dpkg>bootsplash: (Enables a graphical boot screen), section graphics, is optional. Version: 3.3-2 (etch), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 280 kB
04:20<hachi> has been squatted
04:20<Supaplex>I don't know much about it. my uptime's don't warrant using a gui bootloader :)
04:21<Supaplex>dpkg: bootsplash =~ s!&& (Themes and updates and debian packages) !!
04:21<Supaplex>dpkg: bootsplash =~ s#&& (Themes and updates and debian packages) ##
04:21<dpkg>OK, Supaplex
04:21<dpkg>[bootsplash] see also gensplash, or, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot, or superseded by <splashy>
04:23<Supaplex>!bootsplash =~ s#, or superseded by <splashy>##
04:23<dpkg>Supaplex: OK
04:23<hachi>anyone here use 'upstart' ?
04:23<hachi>it's a doozy to install, cause it removes sysvinit
04:24<Supaplex>according to dpkg, it's not in etch or sarge, so that was misleading. :P
04:24<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. check for more details. upstart is packaged in experimental.
04:24<Supaplex>ahh. experimental is touchy stuff. not suggested for the average user
04:24<hachi>regardless of that, I was asking
04:26<Supaplex>it was more of a metaquestion, but meh
04:26<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
04:26<hachi>amazingly I don't have a question on that
04:26<hachi>I was just curious if anyone here is using it
04:26<hachi>I'm about to try and toss it on a box to see what it does
04:27<Supaplex>have fun :P
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04:28*Supaplex head Hz from bts# 466072
04:29<hachi>man alive
04:29<hachi>I hit that bug so many times it's not even funny
04:29<hachi>I didn't know it was a bug in screen
04:30<hachi>I assumed it was an interaction thing between user mode linux and the pty subsystem
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04:31<Supaplex>you're kidding me. I'm having the same grief w/uml
04:31<Supaplex>but, I've managed to partially replicate this bug in a normal terminal with env -i
04:31<Supaplex>I still don't know why I see this: Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777.
04:32<Supaplex>it should be using /var/run/screen/S-$(whoami)
04:32<hachi>then /var/run/screen must be 1777
04:32<Supaplex>dunno why it acts differently
04:33<Supaplex>drwxrwxr-x 4 root utmp 4096 2007-04-16 00:31 .
04:33<hachi>how's that supposed to work at all?
04:33<hachi>unless you're root or in the utmp group
04:33<Supaplex>I only get the directory blah warning when it's non-interactive
04:34<Supaplex>-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 331168 2007-03-05 01:34 /usr/bin/screen
04:34<hachi>oh setgid
04:34<hachi>I eventually settled on a foreground screen session, like... and
04:35<hachi>hah, that second one I obviously wrote before I read the bash manpage on "$*"
04:35<hachi>but there is still a weird bug in my setup
04:35<hachi>cause I have to sleep before firing off screen
04:35<Supaplex>I'm sure 2:30am has some share of the brain Hz blame
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04:36<hachi>I like the way you keep sagin Hz
04:36<sas67>hi there
04:36<sas67>trying to install vnc
04:36<Supaplex>old habbit :)
04:36<Supaplex>!tell sas67 -about search
04:36<hachi>the server or the client, sas67?
04:37<sas67>no fonts in /lib/fonts tho
04:37<Supaplex>!tell sas67 -about apt-file
04:37<sas67>fatal server error cant open fixed font
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04:38<sas67>thanx supaplex
04:38<cTATUK>What's the easiest way to have a certain command be executed at a certain time?
04:38<sas67>very new to linux
04:38<Supaplex>cTATUK: cron
04:38<cTATUK>how about `at`?
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04:38<Supaplex>cTATUK: run apropos cron to see all the related man pages. or, see what dpkg says here 1m
04:39<Supaplex>!tell sas67 -about grounding
04:39<Supaplex>doh, misdirect :P
04:39<Supaplex>!tell cTATUK -about grounding
04:40<sas67>was that last one not for me then
04:40<Supaplex>well, it can't hurt :)
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04:40<cTATUK>!tell Supaplex -about grounding
04:40<cTATUK>!tell Supaplex -about grounding
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04:43<Supaplex>sas67: did he make you feel less of a noob? :)
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04:43<sas67>not reallly
04:45<sas67>waht i know bout linux,can be written on a stamp
04:45<sas67>but want to learn
04:46<Supaplex>yeah. that was only an irc social issue. we all start some place
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04:46<sas67>need vnc,
04:47<sas67>got it installed
04:47<sas67>but wont run cos of missing fonts
04:47<Xenguy>sas67: find a HOWTO on how to use it with SSH
04:48<dpkg>if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors
04:48<valdyn>sas67: ^^
04:48<Supaplex>apt-file needs one apt-file update before you do your apt-file searches.
04:48<Supaplex>I've (again) forgot more than I learned about vnc nowadays :)
04:48<valdyn>i dont know how a vnc client could fail because of fonts
04:49<valdyn>but maybe he's talking about the server
04:49*Supaplex <3's ssh -X
04:49<sas67>ran vncserver
04:49<sas67>got new desktop
04:49<sas67>X desktop
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04:50<valdyn>sas67: i think you want to start at the basics, that is at the problem you are trying to solve with vnc
04:50<valdyn>sas67: because vnc sucks for various reasons and only is good for specific things really
04:50<Supaplex>global domination, of course ;)
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04:50<sas67>put url into tightvncviwer
04:51<sas67>it failed so i went to./vnc log and saw these errors
04:51<sas67>failed to start default fixed font
04:51<dpkg>methinks fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg"
04:51<valdyn>sas67: on the server
04:52<Supaplex>!fix the fixed fonts that are unfixed
04:52*dpkg takes the fixed fonts that are unfixed to the vet for a "special" visit.
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04:53<valdyn>sas67: for vnc you dont need to install the xorg package. But its a convenient solution, just taking some more disk space than needed.
04:54<sas67>wie needs to use pc so ill come back l8r if thats ok
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05:16<guillaume>I have a problem with my /tmp (1,0M 1,0M 0 100% /tmp). I use LVM2 and have 6G of free PE. How can I extend /tmp ?
05:17<gsimmons>guillaume: Assuming /tmp is within its own LV, use lvresize or lvextend to increase it as desired, then resize the relevant filesystem.
05:18<petemc>is tmp on lvm?
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05:19<guillaume>gsimmons petemc : It's my problem, I enter lvm tools but can't find /tmp. I think maybe it's describe in a debian mapper like debian-home but don't know how to deal with that :(
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05:20<valdyn>guillaume: what is "df" telling you about "/tmp" ?
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05:21<guillaume>df output : overflow 1024 1024 0 100% /tmp all other filesystem are ok
05:21<valdyn>guillaume: "overflow" instead the the block device? wth
05:22<valdyn>guillaume: what does "mount" tell about /tmp ?
05:23<guillaume>mount output for /tmp : overflow on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=1048576,mode=1777)
05:23<valdyn>guillaume: ok, so its a ramdisk
05:23<valdyn>guillaume: who in his right mind created that ramdisk?
05:24<gsimmons>It's an emergency tmpfs created by the mountoverflowtmp init script.
05:24<valdyn>gsimmons: whats in fstab about tmp?`
05:24<valdyn>gsimmons: whats in /etc/fstab about tmp?`
05:24<hachi>I just gave my debian laptop a reboot. Not the machine I was installing upstart onto... and now Xdm won't start
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05:25<hachi>is there aknown bug in testing or anything about this? I'm on IRC with my PDA now trying to debug this
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05:25<Supaplex>!info upstart testing
05:26<hachi>not the upstart mahine
05:26<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference, or
05:26<hachi>different machine
05:26<hachi>machine running testing
05:26<valdyn>hachi: why would you use upstart?
05:26<valdyn>hachi: its not supported by debian
05:27<hachi>okay, forget that I mentioned that
05:27<hachi>I'm trying to get my xdm to start up again on a different machine
05:27<hachi>How the heck do you know what errors in the Xorg log are actually fatal?
05:28<valdyn>hachi: see (EE)
05:28*Supaplex ponders !kiss
05:29<hachi>yeah.. none
05:29<valdyn>hachi: /etc/init.d/xdm start
05:29<hachi>doesn't work
05:29<valdyn>!doesn't work
05:29<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
05:29<hachi>note how I said that xdm isn't starting
05:29<hachi>so therefore xdm start doesn't start xdm
05:29<valdyn>hachi: im really trying hard to get useful information from you
05:30<valdyn>hachi: but you are not giving it yet
05:30<hachi>what information would be useful?
05:30<valdyn>hachi: what is the result when you do "/etc/init.d/xdm start"
05:30<Supaplex>hachi: sh -x /etc/init.d/xdm start might give more info
05:30<hachi>says it's starting
05:30<hachi>does nothing
05:30<hachi>well, nothing visible
05:30<Supaplex>or install strace. strace -Ffo ~/xdmboke.txt -- sh -x /etc/init.d/xdm restart
05:30<valdyn>hachi: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
05:31<hachi> /usr/bin/xdm
05:31<hachi>less the leading sace
05:31<valdyn>hachi: what happens when you just run "X"
05:31<hachi>that works fine
05:31<guillaume>fstab :
05:32<Supaplex>I like this gdm feature. ;)
05:32<valdyn>guillaume: your problem is that / is full or not writable
05:32<valdyn>guillaume: which is /dev/mapper/debian-root
05:32<gsimmons>guillaume: That would explain way a tmpfs was created to house your temporary files.
05:33<valdyn>guillaume: so what does df say about / and mount say about /
05:33<hachi>Supaplex: does X really use vfork?
05:33<Supaplex>heck if I know. this is my normal invocation of strace
05:33<guillaume>I don't think so : 22G 7,0G 14G 35% /
05:34<Supaplex>sometimes I'll use -s 1024000, or -e open, or -e connect, dending on what I'm trying to isolate.
05:34<valdyn>guillaume: mount output`
05:34<valdyn>guillaume: mount output?
05:35<valdyn>hachi: run just "xdm"
05:35<hachi>cute, that works
05:36<hachi>thanks, now I'll start googling for whatever I can figure out
05:36<guillaume>mount output :
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05:37<valdyn>guillaume: umount /tmp
05:38<guillaume>valdyn: It's not allow : umount: /tmp: device is busy
05:39<valdyn>guillaume: did you already change things like mount -o rw / ?
05:39<guillaume>valdyn: never
05:39<valdyn>guillaume: and i cant see /tmp on mount output either
05:39<valdyn>guillaume: err nm, i found it.
05:40<guillaume>valdyn: I think it's because /tmp must be describe in a debian mapper
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05:40<valdyn>guillaume: no
05:41<valdyn>guillaume: tmp does not need to have its own block device at all
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05:42<valdyn>guillaume: can you reboot? will /tmp be on overflow again?
05:42<guillaume>valdyn: something is wrong because tmpfs create an overflow but all filesystem have free space
05:43<valdyn>guillaume: sure
05:43<valdyn>guillaume: that doesnt answer my question
05:43<guillaume>valdyn: ok i'll reboot and be back
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05:53<guillaume>valdyn: new output :
05:54<Supaplex>hachi: would you believe me? I think I found a workaround for that screen bug. :P TERM=dumb PWD=$(pwd) seems to fix it.
05:54*Supaplex retests
05:55<guillaume>valdyn: overflow disepear but I still don't know the reason why tmps create one later
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05:57<philipp>what is saved in /home/philipp/.kde/cache-Hufi ?
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06:03<philipp>im trying to make a backup of my settings... what have i to backup when i will save all settings of all programms?
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06:07<spar74n>damn gprs
06:07<spar74n>regulary breaks lol
06:09<hachi>Supaplex: are you kidding me
06:09<hachi>so term type is killing this
06:10<Supaplex>those two ENV were missing. I compared env | sort between kwg, and the script backend.
06:10<hachi>how the heck can PWD be missing
06:10<Supaplex>there in my friend is somehow $assumed
06:10<Supaplex>easy fix tho :)
06:11<philipp>im trying to make a backup of my settings... what have i to backup when i will save all settings of all programms?
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06:14<Supaplex>philipp: depends on what settings and what programs.
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06:14<Supaplex>home/ is for your personal data, /etc is for some system settings, other system data may be in /var/lib ... that's not all.
06:15<Supaplex>hachi: turns out, PWD dun matter. just TERM
06:15<Supaplex>even TERM=dumb is enough. :)
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06:22<Supaplex>alright this is even more elusive
06:22<Supaplex>unset TERM should break it. oh wait... maybe it's using tty() ?
06:23<philipp>supalex all settings of all programms
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06:24<philipp>supalex but the imortent important one is my emal account
06:24<philipp>supalex ive invested a few houer to fix it so
06:24<Supaplex>philipp: well, just back it all up then. :) which email proggie doyo use?
06:25<hachi>I usually back up my entire home directory, this gets all the stuff I care about
06:25<Supaplex>hachi: last month I accidently sudo rsync -a there:/etc/ /etc/
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06:29<philipp>suppalex i use kontact
06:29<philipp>suppalex i think kmail is integated there.... thats waht i use
06:30<Supaplex>yes, kmail is part of it
06:30<Supaplex>kontact just glues all the happy k* stuff into one program window
06:30<Supaplex>I'd venture to help, but at 4am, you're better off if I don't. %-)
06:31<Supaplex>er 4:30am even.
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06:32<Supaplex>hachi: you're welcome. :) - i'm so happy I fixed it too! yay, my stuff werks!
06:33<hachi>man, you get a lot of points for that. I'm already laying down though so I'll praise you tomorrow
06:33<philipp>supaplex i have 11:30 am
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06:34<Supaplex>philipp: lucky for you.
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06:34<Supaplex>I've been up since 7am here. If I stay up 2.5 more hours, I'll be awake for 24h. (I use to get away with it. not so much at 31y now)
06:35<philipp>supaplex to make a backup from kmail is the minor problem... the major is that i wanna import the settings into a simmilar programm in GNOME
06:35<philipp>supaplex also the spam filter
06:35<Supaplex>I happily have NFC about gnome \o/
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06:42<njende>Hi there! Can someone help me getting my external HDD mounted so that I can write files onto it? I have tried it using: mount -t auto -0 rw /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 which has worked->at least a mount -l said the device is mounted rw.
06:43<njende>But once I one to write files using konqui onto that drive, Konqui tells me that I am not having the permission to write onto it. What am I doing wrong?
06:43<Torsten_W>njende: which filesystem?
06:44<njende>Torsten_W: It is a vfat
06:45<Torsten_W>njende: mount it with umask=000
06:45<njende>so it would be: mount -t vfat -o rw umask=000 /dev/sda1/ /media/sda1 ?
06:46<njende> should it be?
06:46<Torsten_W>mount -t vfat -o rw,umask=000 /dev/sda1/ /media/sda1
06:46<njende>okay I'll try that
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06:48<njende>Torsten_W: thanks a lot that's been the trick ;-)
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06:52<zepard>hi, i have again a problem with my terminals (emulators only), it seems to be a random thing, the symptome: enter or answers yes for installing question for example lot of spaces like a while loop until the end of execution of typed commad
06:54<zepard>i am on sid xfce4
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07:05<zepard>any idea?
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07:05<dpkg>thanks, maulkin. It's good to be back.
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07:08<kojot>hello bejjbe
07:08<goraca15>moze zaszalejemy
07:08<kojot>czesc dupciu
07:08<goraca15>jestem goraca laseczka
07:08<kojot>no widze przeciez
07:08<goraca15>robie garca lody
07:08<goraca15>ijeszcze bardzije gorace buziaki;d
07:09<goraca15>w kakalkooo;d
07:09<goraca15>polish koooorwa
07:09<kojot>poland rullezzzz!
07:09<goraca15>fuck English
07:09<goraca15>blow me
07:09<goraca15>GEKZ blow me;d;d;d;;d
07:09<kojot>we are going to euro 2008
07:09<goraca15>je je jeeee;d
07:09<goraca15>dawno laseczek nierobilam
07:09<kojot>england sucks
07:10<goraca15>ale napewno niezrobilamby anglikowi
07:10<goraca15>oni niemaja fujarrry
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07:10<kojot>hi memphis
07:10<memphis>anybody hear me?
07:10<kojot>for sure
07:11<kojot>memphis are you fuckin blind?
07:11<kojot>say something
07:11<goraca15>zrobicie mi koooorwa laske
07:11<goraca15>say say kooorwa po polsku prosze hujki
07:11<goraca15>jebane w dupe wyrochane kwadratowe kobyly
07:12<goraca15>english english
07:12<goraca15>koooorwa moze polis huje zajebane
07:12<goraca15>przyjezta tylko do polski to zajebe
07:12<goraca15>tylko sie panoszycie zajebance
07:12<kojot>laseczka jest wkorwoina
07:12<kojot>wkurwiona znaczy
07:12<goraca15>j zartowalam
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07:13<goraca15>fredo nieodchodzz
07:13<kojot>debian sucks!!
07:13<kojot>xp rulllezzzz
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07:14<goraca15>wskocz mi na baranka
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07:16<kojot>memphis can you hear me?
07:16<Guest1424>sounds like a song title ;-)
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07:16<memphis>anybody hear me
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07:17<goraca15>adolf hitler?
07:17<goraca15>saddam H.
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07:17<kojot>for sure
07:18<kojot>wtf is going on?
07:18<goraca15>swedzi mnie brocha!!
07:18<kojot>moge podrapac?
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07:20<tq|Memphis>i have a problem
07:20<tq|Memphis>i'm connection mirc @ windows
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07:21<tq|Memphis>when i use debian irssi
07:21<tq|Memphis>my nick automaticly changing to Memphis
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07:21<tq|Memphis>i'm using /nick tq|Memphis command
07:21<tq|Memphis>but its not changing
07:21<tq|Memphis>with memphis nick i m not available to say something in this channel
07:22<Torsten_W>what should /nick tq|Memphis do, if your nick actualy is tq|Memphis?
07:22<tq|Memphis>its not working
07:22<tq|Memphis>may i send u a screenshot
07:22<tq|Memphis>then u can understand my problem
07:23<tq|Memphis>hmm i cant
07:23<tq|Memphis>bcuz i forget screenshot @ debian ^^
07:23<Torsten_W>[12:16:54] <memphis> hi
07:23<Torsten_W>[12:16:59] <memphis> anybody hear me
07:23<Torsten_W>i have seen this
07:23<tq|Memphis>then i have no problem
07:23<tq|Memphis>memphis is my root name
07:23<tq|Memphis>first i insatalled irssi and connected to
07:23<tq|Memphis>it was root_
07:24<tq|Memphis>i dont know how i channed it to memphis
07:24<tq|Memphis>now i want to change it tq|Memphis
07:24<tq|Memphis>i'm newbie @ linux :(
07:24<Torsten_W> /j #irssi
07:24<Torsten_W>don't irc as root
07:25<tq|Memphis>what do you mean
07:25<tq|Memphis>is that normal? i 'm using @ terminal?
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07:25<tq|Memphis>@ terminal screen
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07:25<tq|Memphis>its normal right all people using irrsi like this
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07:25<tq|Memphis>or not?
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07:26<tq|Memphis><tq|Memphis> may we continue conversation in private?
07:26<tq|Memphis><Torsten_W> Message ignored! Ask for permission in a channel to message me.
07:27<tq|Memphis>all afk :(
07:27<tq|Memphis>i'm coming @ debian
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07:31<tq|Memphis>hi @ debian
07:32-!-tq|Memphis is now known as Memphis1903
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07:32<tq|Memphis>pls say something ..
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07:33<tq|Memphis>i have a problem , my compiler gcc is not working / or i didnt install it
07:33<tq|Memphis>how can i fix gcc compiler
07:34<Torsten_W>apt-get install gcc
07:34<azeem>weedeater: don't do that, please
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07:36<tq|Memphis>how can i change my windows ? for example @ windows xp @ mirc -> when i msging with a person mirc opening a new window to me or switcing #chennels but @ debian i have only one screen
07:36<weasel>weedeater: do not do that.
07:36<tq|Memphis>when i used /msg somebody it says [Act: 1,3] "3" is increasing
07:37<weasel>active windows
07:37<MoDaX>tq|Memphis: alt+number
07:37<tq|Memphis>but im not available to see these windows :(
07:37<mad9>which language is here prefered?
07:37<weasel>switch with ^P and ^N or meta [1-0]
07:37<mad9>english german
07:37<weasel>mad9: guess.
07:37<tq|Memphis>irrsi is running @ terminal is that normal?
07:37<weedeater>weasel: do not do what , Ping?
07:38<MoDaX>tq|Memphis: very normal
07:38<weasel>weedeater: ctcp channels.
07:38<MoDaX>tq|Memphis: xchat, konversation etc. are gui irc clients
07:38<MoDaX>irssi is terminal one
07:39<mad9>i got a problem with connecting to internet through VDSL
07:39<mad9>is somebody fit in this theme?
07:39<mad9>i want to use my debian server as router as well
07:40<mad9>got 2 network cards installed
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07:40<weedeater>weasel: I don't even know how I did it I've never used this before. I'm pretty new to linux , and brand new to irc.
07:41<tq|Memphis>Torsten_W say something pls
07:41<tq|Memphis>i have not seen any msg yet
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07:41<weedeater>I'm using bitchx, is this a good client for newbies?
07:41<mad9>nobody can help me?
07:42<Torsten_W>weedeater: no, it issn't
07:42<azeem>weedeater: we recommend irssi
07:43<azeem>mad9: you did not mention your problem yet
07:43<weedeater>I was just about to ask for recomendations.
07:43<mad9>i tried to do pppoeconf but it didnt work
07:44<azeem>!doesn't work
07:44<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
07:44<mad9>i hehe
07:44<tq|Memphis>pls somebody say something...
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07:44<mad9>#i trie
07:45<suiside>weedeater: be sure the check out the startup howto on
07:45<weedeater>azeem: can I get irssi from the main debian packages?
07:45<Torsten_W>yes, you can
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07:45<Torsten_W>you can also use a graphical client like xchat, pdgin or konversation
07:46<mad9>i need to connect with vlan support and id 7 through pppoe
07:46<azeem>tq|Memphis: which client are you using?
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07:46<mad9>my card name is eth1
07:46<azeem>mad9: id 7 ?
07:46<mad9>yes eth 1.7
07:46<grelle>hello. I've a problem with disk initialization...For some reason, /dev/sda and dev/sdb swapped places. I think it has to do with the initialization order of my PCI SATA cards. Is it possible to force some order?
07:47<mad9>its vlan requirements from my isp
07:47<azeem>grelle: you can reference your disks by ID, rather than device, e.g.
07:47<Torsten_W>use uuid, then it doen't happen
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07:47<mad9>i used first pppoeconf
07:47<mad9>and then
07:47<grelle>can I do that during boot? sometimes it can't mount the root file system because sda is actually sdb
07:47<weedeater>Thanks for the help guys, how do I stop ctcp? with bitchx?
07:47<mad9>i changen dsl-provider mtu
07:47<Torsten_W>grelle: [12:47:12] <Torsten_W> use uuid, then it doen't happen
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07:49<grelle>azeem: Torsten_W: Ok. How do I reference uuid instead of device path?
07:49<mad9>nad made a file pppoe.conf file with ETH='eth 1.7'
07:49<tq|Memphis>i have not seen any msg yet
07:49<azeem>tq|Memphis: do you have a Debian question?
07:50<Torsten_W>azeem: he can't read you
07:50<mad9>i also changed interfaces file
07:50<mad9>like this
07:50<mad9>auto eth1
07:50<azeem>Torsten_W: why?
07:50<mad9>iface eth1 inet manual
07:50<Torsten_W>azeem: i don't know
07:51<Torsten_W><tq|Memphis> i have not seen any msg yet
07:51<mad9>post-up add eth1 7
07:51<Torsten_W>[12:49:08] <tq|Memphis> i have not seen any msg yet
07:51<mad9>post-up vconfig add eth1 7
07:51<mad9>post-up vconfig rem eth1.7
07:51<mad9>post-down vconfig rem eth1.7
07:51<mad9>2 wrong
07:52<mad9>i ment :
07:52<mad9>auto eth1
07:52<mad9>iface eth1 inet manual
07:52<mad9>post-up vconfig add eth1 7
07:52<mad9>post-down vconfig rem eth1.7
07:52<mad9>and then i tried to connect but it didnt
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07:53<trueno>Hi all! Does anyone have a synaptics touchpad working with sid (xorg 7.3, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 0.14.7~git20070706-2)?
07:54<trueno>I can't get it working or downgrade the synaptics package
07:55<mad9>azeem any ideas?
07:55<azeem>mad9: no
07:55<grelle> was easy to mount using uuid instead. But how do I find the UUIDs of my partitions?
07:56<Torsten_W>grelle: ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid
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07:57<grelle>Torsten_W: thanks!
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07:58<tq|Memphis>i have not seen any msg yet
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08:04<tq|Memphis>andbody hear me?
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08:05<grelle>Torsten_W: The swap partition is not listed there however
08:05<grelle>Torsten_W: At /dev/disk/by-uuid I mean
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08:06<azeem>tq|Memphis: do you have a Debian question?
08:06<Torsten_W>grelle: then umount swap, mkswap /dev/bla
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08:07<Torsten_W>grelle: then u hav an uuid for swap
08:07<tq|Memphis>supaplex are you there*
08:08<Supaplex>it's a trick!
08:08<Supaplex>what's up?
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08:15<grelle>Torsten_W: That worked fine, thanks. e2label doesn't work on the swap partition though, any idea why?
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08:22<Supaplex>grelle: because swap != ext[234]fs
08:23<Supaplex>I think there's some other guid/label tool for that
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08:26<tq|Memphis>i'm going good :/
08:26<tq|Memphis>irc and gcc problem has fixed
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08:27<grelle>Supaplex: of course! thanks. This is really messy...different tools for every file system type. isn't there a tool analogous to "mkfs.fstype" for setting disk labels?
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08:27<Supaplex>I dun use it often enough to remember. heh
08:27<tq|Memphis>now the problem is that i'm using my screen 1280x1024 but i want to use it 1024x768
08:27<tq|Memphis>when i changed it
08:28<tq|Memphis>computer doing something
08:28<grelle>Supaplex: ...or whatever you wan't to do with the disks. I have ext3, swap, and xfs on my disks. it's getting annoying. =)
08:28<tq|Memphis>but its not working and going back conf (1280x1024
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08:28<tq|Memphis>--> happy to see SOMETBODY's talking :D
08:29<tq|Memphis>supaplex can u help my problem?
08:29<tq|Memphis>should i download my Nvdia drivers or something like that
08:29<Supaplex>I just put in a 23 hour day.
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08:29<Supaplex>I'm going to bed.
08:29*fxiny resets his wow signal power aray detector
08:29<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
08:29<tq|Memphis>oke goodnight
08:30<tq|Memphis>i havent done it before
08:30<tq|Memphis>i'm checking
08:30<tq|Memphis>dpkg i'm using xchat
08:30<Supaplex>I fixed another one :D
08:30<Supaplex>tq|Memphis: dpkg is a bot
08:30<fxiny>Supaplex: yes ? firing up firebug
08:30<tq|Memphis>:D oke
08:31<tq|Memphis>supaplex i'm using xchat but i also downloaded irssi
08:31<tq|Memphis>i found how to run it but
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08:31<tq|Memphis>i find only run @ terminal
08:31<Supaplex>466072 was tougher than the modconf one. ^.^
08:31<tq|Memphis>not like xchat
08:31<grelle>is this the right channel for questions about GRUB? I need to setup GRUB to use uuid as well...instead of device path
08:31<fxiny>screen ?
08:31<dpkg>i heard uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name.
08:31<fxiny>!beer Supaplex
08:31*dpkg pours a pint of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for Supaplex
08:32<weasel>dunkel oder hell?
08:32<Supaplex>weasel: como?
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08:33<tq|Memphis>can u tell me before u going bed , how can i run irssi like xchat
08:33<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
08:34<Supaplex>welcome to /ginore
08:34<Supaplex>desperation is no excuse
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08:35<grelle>Supaplex: yes, but I'm not sure that will work with GRUB. it says "kernal /boot/vmlinuz... root=/dev/sda1 ro". "root=BOOT" didn't work (BOOT is the label of /dev/sda1)
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08:35<mrmango>evening, morning, afternoon :)
08:36<Supaplex>grelle: oh, I thought you wanted uuid's - my bad.
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08:36<Supaplex>anyway, time to slap ^A^D buhuhaha
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08:36<grelle>Supaplex: Yes, that would work too, it's just that I didn't write it down and I'm in the boot loader I tried with the label instead.
08:37<mrmango>anyone tried Debian on one of the latest Dell laptops? Wondering if I can get it installed without too many issues
08:37<Supaplex>grelle: grub has completion. 'find' is also a helpful builtin :)
08:37<grelle>Supaplex: I will try with "root=uuid" instead..
08:37<Supaplex>gl. zzZzzZZz
08:38<grelle>Supaplex: he he. really? will try that now...=)
08:39<fxiny>Supaplex: hehehe , i've seen it : >> Linux 2.6.18-6-vserver-amd64 :)
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08:40<mrmango>or even has anyone had any issues with a laptop using 8600GT Nvidia?
08:40*fxiny thinks Supa is alrerady zZ_topping
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08:43<tq|Memphis>which package do i need for change my "1280x1024" to "1024x768"
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08:44<weasel>edit your xorg.conf?
08:44<tq|Memphis>i'm newbie
08:44<tq|Memphis>i dont know how
08:44<weasel>you edit stuff using an editor.
08:44<weasel>big surprise there, I know.
08:45<tq|Memphis>can u explain how i can run an editor ^^
08:45<weasel>you just said "u" again. have a nice day.
08:45<weedeater>I got rid of bitch, and got ircii, it was easier to get back to this channel, and I like the help system better.
08:46<fxiny>why not irssi ?
08:46<weasel>he couldn't figure out how to switch between windows or something
08:46<Slim>im new to linux and im running Etch 4.0r3 but when i tried to install the nvidia driver but when i load it the screen becomes black?
08:46<tq|Memphis>because i dont now how to run irssi like xchat
08:46<tq|Memphis>i know only run irssi @ terminal
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08:46<grelle>is it even possible to setup GRUB with uuid? it's the "kernel" row in the boot loader that has a reference to the root disk device
08:47<fxiny>i see : esc+numpad . ctrl-n
08:47<weedeater>fxiny: ircii was recomended earlier.
08:47<weasel>grelle: edit menu.lst?
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08:47<grelle>weasel: mmkay. is that the grub config file? odd name. =)
08:48<fxiny>weedeater: scroll up : it was irssi > < azeem> weedeater: we recommend irssi
08:48<grelle>weasel: ok, thanks
08:48<Slim>can someone help me with install? i have nvidia 8600 GT graphics card...
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08:48<tq|Memphis>slim i have same problem
08:48<tq|Memphis>trying to fix
08:48<tq|Memphis>if i can i will tell you ^^
08:48<Slim>thanks dude :)
08:48<Maulkin>Slim: and what's the problem?
08:49<tq|Memphis>i'm not available to change "1280x1024" to "1024x768"
08:49<Slim>when i install the nvidia driver and load it in xorg the screen becomes black
08:49<tq|Memphis>--> same here
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08:50<Maulkin>What error do you get in the logs?
08:50<weedeater>fxiny: Oh ,man my bad. well , what do you think of ircii, I like it so far. Better than bitchx.
08:50<Maulkin>weedeater: try irssi
08:51<tq|Memphis>there is not error
08:51<fxiny>weedeater: irssi in a screen session is a bliss
08:51<Maulkin>tq|Memphis: Yes there is.
08:51<tq|Memphis>just screen changing and going back to 1280x1024
08:51<Maulkin>And what's in the logs?
08:51<tq|Memphis>where can i find error log
08:51<tq|Memphis>i'm newbie @ debian
08:51<Maulkin> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
08:52<Maulkin>oh, and what's the output of "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1"
08:52<tq|Memphis>bash: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: not opened
08:53<weedeater>Maulkin: I'll try it tomorrow, I'm going to bed shortly. I just wanted to get on irc. I did like that in bitchx when I sent a message it showed my name in the output.
08:53<tq|Memphis>i wrote your msg to terminal
08:53<tq|Memphis>and said that
08:53<tq|Memphis>bash: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: not opened
08:53<Maulkin>yes. Use a viewer to open it
08:53<gsimmons>Slim: The 8600 GT (G84) chipset isn't supported by the nv or nvidia drivers available for Etch.
08:54<tq|Memphis>how :D
08:54<weedeater>Maulkin: Does irssi do that. Or can I make ircii do it?
08:54<Maulkin>weedeater: probably irssi. no idea about ircii
08:54<Maulkin>tq|Memphis: less
08:55<Slim>gsimmons: ok, will they be in the future or?
08:55<tq|Memphis>../Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
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08:55<grelle>weasel: I think the problem is that /dev/disk/by-uuid doesn't exist when GRUB is booting. Is it possible to specify "root=uuid" instead of "root=/dev/..."?
08:55<tq|Memphis>is this the error which you want to know?
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08:56<weasel>grelle: I wouldn't know. the initrd might be able to handle it
08:56<tq|Memphis>hmm i have no packages right?
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08:56<gsimmons>Slim: No, not within Etch's lifetime.
08:57<xtc>i have two files, they have most data in common, one has 409 lines.. other has 560.. how do i list the differences? .. the 151 lines that exists in one..
08:57<weedeater>Maulkin: When I say my name I meant my nick. With ircii I just see > in front of what I sent, with bitch I saw my nick.
08:58<tq|Memphis>Maulkin ok?
08:58<Slim>are there any older versions of debian that the driver works in?
08:58<Maulkin>weedeater: I see my nick :)
08:58<Maulkin>(with irssi)
08:58<tq|Memphis>Maulkin u get my problem?
08:58<franklin>xtc, Do you use vim/gvim ?
08:58<Maulkin>tq|Memphis: erm...
08:58<Maulkin>"dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" ?
08:58<tq|Memphis>../Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
08:58<tq|Memphis>says these
08:58<Maulkin>that's the LAST line?
08:58<weasel>xtc: diff?
08:58<mrmango>gsimmons, is Etch stable? If so does unstable support G84?
08:58<tq|Memphis>there are only 2 line
08:59<xtc>weasel, diff gives me.. 600lines output :)
08:59<tq|Memphis>and this
08:59<zepard>hi, i have again a problem with my terminals (emulators only), it seems to be a random thing, the symptome: enter or answers yes for installing question for example lot of spaces like a while loop until the end of execution of typed commad
08:59<Maulkin>Please, please, please type exactly this: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1
08:59<gsimmons>mrmango: Yes and it does.
08:59<weasel>xtc: then those lines all differ?
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09:00<fxiny>xtc: diff -I ?
09:00<weedeater>Can you guys reccomend a server and channel for irc newbies, or a website with guides to server/channels?
09:00<azeem>tq|Memphis: did you add the "| tail -1" as well?
09:00<mrmango>gsimmons, ahh thanks ! :)
09:00<tq|Memphis>| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
09:00<Maulkin>tq|Memphis: Then you're not typing the command properly
09:00<tq|Memphis>i added
09:00<azeem>tq|Memphis: also, don't paste in the channel
09:00<azeem>tq|Memphis: ok, then you're not running Debian and we cannot help you
09:00<fxiny>weedeater: yes : irssi home page :)
09:00<tq|Memphis>i right properly
09:00<azeem>tq|Memphis: it's a | not a l
09:01<Maulkin>use dpkg -l.
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09:01<Maulkin>Give the last line only
09:01<tq|Memphis>sorry my mistake
09:01<azeem>eh, dpkg -l libc6
09:01<weedeater>fxiny: Thanks.
09:01<fxiny>weedeater: np
09:01<mrmango>hmm.. not come across irssi
09:02<mrmango>is it console?
09:02<tq|Memphis>same screen there too
09:02<Maulkin>tq|Memphis: What's the last line?
09:02<mrmango>b*tchx beater?
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09:02<tq|Memphis>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et GNU C Library: Shared libraries
09:02<azeem>tq|Memphis: you never pasted that
09:02<tq|Memphis>this is the last line..
09:03<Maulkin>tq|Memphis: now... get your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and put it in a pastebin
09:03<Maulkin>!tell tq|Memphis -about pastebin
09:03<LaicepS>what is his problem ?
09:04<tq|Memphis>bash: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: Erişim engellendi
09:04<azeem>tq|Memphis: we told you to use a viewer before
09:04<mrmango>tell u what, Debian loves virtual pc, although I know its bad running Linux under Windows, but usefull sometimes :)
09:04<azeem>tq|Memphis: if you're not able to follow directions, maybe Debian is not the right system for you
09:04<tq|Memphis>sorry but i dont know use a viewer :(
09:04<azeem>tq|Memphis: then ask about that
09:04<Maulkin>"less /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
09:05<tq|Memphis>oke :D
09:05<tq|Memphis>it works now
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09:05<tq|Memphis>what do you want to know at there
09:05<grelle>weasel: hey, it did work with /dev/disk/by-uuid even though grub couldn't find it in the boot prompt. thanks for the help
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09:05<tq|Memphis>(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist.
09:06<LaicepS>tq|Memphis, you can't launch X because you don't have the fonts ?
09:06<Freddo>xtc: diff -P
09:06<mrmango>Anyone tried using GRub to boot more than just Linux and windows? Like perhaps Linux, BSD, Windows?
09:07<fxiny>long ago
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09:07<mrmango>was it easy?
09:07<fxiny>of course
09:07<tq|Memphis>oke i'll find linux tutorials or something like that
09:07<xtc>Freddo, i just need something to give me plain text output.. not analysis and co. just to see what's in one file that isn't in another:)
09:07<tq|Memphis>dont waste ur times with me :/
09:07<fxiny>mrmango: if you want to understand grub use the cli : google for "grub manual boot"
09:08<LaicepS>tq|Memphis, naaah it is a common problem when installing X ...
09:08<tq|Memphis>what is "X" :/
09:08<mrmango>fxiny, ta
09:08<LaicepS>Graphic server
09:08<fxiny>mrmango: np
09:09<tq|Memphis>(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
09:09<tq|Memphis>(==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
09:09<tq|Memphis>(**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
09:09<tq|Memphis>(**) | |-->Monitor "StudioWorks"
09:09<tq|Memphis>(**) | |-->Device "Genel Ekran Kartı"
09:09<tq|Memphis>(**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard"
09:09<tq|Memphis>(**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse"
09:09<fxiny>xtc: man diff
09:10<xtc>browsing :)
09:10<LaicepS>I don't understund why there is no dependencies between ttf fonts and Xorg ...
09:10<koruja>Helo there!
09:10<koruja>ops ... Hello there!!
09:10<koruja>How can I activate the Fn+F5 key in Debian?
09:11<fxiny>xtc: you are after a thing called "the wheel" , already invented ;)
09:11<zepard>is it normal that my terminal says yes by itself when apt-get
09:11<tq|Memphis>what should i do for "1280x1024" to "1024x768"
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09:12<xtc>fxiny, bah, i just came from stone age :)
09:12<fxiny>xtc: :)
09:12<fxiny>xtc: if you want graphical diff : apt-cache search xdiff
09:13<xtc>think i'll reinvent the wheel or smth.
09:13<xtc>brb :)
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09:14<zepard>is it a bug or a worm?
09:14<amphi>koruja: depends; you'd be best off looking at info about your model of laptop
09:14<amphi>!tell koruja -about laptop
09:15<koruja>ok.... My notebook is an acer Aspire 3050
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09:16<Freddo>xtc: I dont know if I understand you. Try: diff -P file1 file2 > file3
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09:17<weedeater>I've got a Q, the other day I downloaded a howto from the ldp. Being a newbie I saved it to my home dir in a new file. I can access it there with lynx, but I wanted to move it to my usr/share/doc dir I copied it there an did chmod 775 and I can't open it in that location there, what gives?
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09:17<fxiny>xtc: emacs M-x diff
09:17<LaicepS>tq|Memphis, paste me in private message, the errors messages generated
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09:19<weedeater>Please disreguard the word "there" above.
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09:20<ak47>kem ta ai
09:21<Freddo>weedeater: please paste the output of: ls -l nameofthefile
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09:21<ak47>iai como vai vc
09:21<gsimmons>weedeater: You may be interested in the 'doc-linux-html' and/or 'doc-linux-text' packages, which provide you with the LDP HOWTOs/FAQs within /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/*
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09:22<ak47>vc sabe macets para linux
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09:23<franklin>xtc, you can also check vimdiff / gvimdiff
09:24<ak47>you are you
09:24<fxiny>not every day :P
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09:26<ak47>you are you sodo
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09:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:28<ak47>spikinglis do you
09:28<weedeater>Freddo:jeff@adsl-69-155-13-10dell:/usr/share/doc$ ls -l intro-linux
09:28<weedeater>total 0
09:28<weedeater>?--------- ? ? ? ? ? intro-linux/intro-linux.html.tar.gz
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09:29<jumeaux>qui parle francais ?
09:30<weedeater>Freddo: I think I just saw the problem , I need to un tar , right ?
09:30<jumeaux>Qui parle Francais ?
09:30<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
09:30<Freddo>weedeater, yes.
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09:31<weedeater>Linux is way cool.
09:32<weedeater>I have to get some sleep, thanks everyone.
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09:33<fxiny>dpkg's drunk
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09:37<xtc>fxiny, franklin, Freddo thx. this does it :)
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09:41<jumeaux>je doit poser quoi comme sorte de question
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09:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
09:41<jumeaux>dite sil vous plait
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09:42<jumeaux>je vous promes de ne plus faire ca
09:43<jumeaux>remeter moi au channel
09:43<jumeaux>sil vous plait
09:43<jumeaux>je vous en suplis
09:43<jumeaux>je ne recommencerait plus
09:43<franklin>xtc, "grep -Fv -f fileA fileB" could have done the job, probably.
09:44<amphi>jumeaux: /j #debian-fr
09:44<jumeaux>:join 5
09:45<amphi>jumeaux: english in this channel, please
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09:52<tq|Memphis>my debian is not running..
09:52<tq|Memphis>i changed my xserver.xconf
09:52<tq|Memphis>how can i fix it?
09:52<tq|Memphis>i'm using windows xp now
09:52<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
09:53<tq|Memphis>not working
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09:53<tq|Memphis>that command
09:53<amphi>!doesn't work
09:53<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
09:53<tq|Memphis>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ÝS NOT WORKING AT ROOT
09:53<abrotman>why not?
09:54<tq|Memphis>DONT know
09:54<abrotman>what is the error it returns?
09:54<tq|Memphis>-bash bla bla
09:54<abrotman>thank you .. very helpful
09:54<tq|Memphis>really i dont know
09:54<fxiny>i don't think you are root
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09:55<tq|Memphis>but at start i'm joining as a root
09:55<fxiny>tq|Memphis: type su and give your root password . then try again
09:55<tq|Memphis>it asks password..
09:55<tq|Memphis>i'm doing this
09:55<tq|Memphis>but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not working
09:55<Infinito>after you type the command there's no msg in return ? if so, what msg?
09:55<Infinito>or it just freezes and do nothing ?
09:55<fxiny>i do not believe you
09:55<tq|Memphis>ok i'll note the message than i'll come
09:56<tq|Memphis>coming in 2minute
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09:56<abrotman>they make irc clients for CLI ...
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10:00<tq|Memphis>when it starting says Frequency deamon: Failed
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10:01<tq|Memphis>than going root and i'm wrinting my password
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10:01<tq|Memphis>i wrote dpkg-reconfigure ..
10:01<tq|Memphis>it said "-bash:dpkg-reconfigure ... : Command not found"
10:02<dpkg>hmm... dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>, or me.
10:02<tq|Memphis>!dpkg xconf
10:02<avu>tq|Memphis: are you sure you have debian installes?
10:02<avu>tq|Memphis: and not some other distribution?
10:02<tq|Memphis>1 hours ago i was connected from xchat
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10:03<avu>that's not really saying that you use debian :)
10:03<tq|Memphis>i'm newbie @ debian
10:03<tq|Memphis>i dont know commands etc..
10:04<tq|Memphis>what should i do to reconfig X
10:04<grelle>I have a problem with libgcrypt during boot. It wants to access /dev/sda which is the wrong device, so I get an error saying "resume: could not stat the resume device file".
10:04<avu>Well, either you are not using debian at all or your installation is broken, tq|Memphis
10:04<fxiny>tq|Memphis: you are not root : type id
10:04<avu>tq|Memphis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the right way to do it
10:04<tq|Memphis>i logged in
10:04<tq|Memphis>yes i'm writing that and says command not found
10:04<amphi>tq|Memphis: what does 'whoami' say? ;)
10:05<m0RrE>heh, reinstall :P
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10:05<avu>tq|Memphis: yes, that's why I am saying you do not use debian or your installation is broken :)
10:05<fxiny>tq|Memphis: whoami type that
10:05<grelle>is it possible to access the boot kernel scripts and change that somehow? It's somewhere in /scripts/local-premount on the ramdisk during boot
10:05<avu>tq|Memphis: or maybe fxiny is right and you're not root after all
10:06<tq|Memphis>no i'm root
10:07<tq|Memphis>should i re-install debian?
10:07<avu>tq|Memphis: also, you may want to come here when running debian, using a console irc client like irssi, so you don't have to reboot every time someone tells you to try something
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10:07<tq|Memphis>i'm using windows xp now
10:07<tq|Memphis>i was using xchat-gnome @ debian
10:07<avu>tq|Memphis: maybe you should also seek help in your native tounge
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10:08<Infinito>reinstall is a option, but I think you can fix that, that's just something we didn't figured out yet
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10:08<tq|Memphis>memphis @ memphis: i'm using this root
10:08<Infinito>*an extreme option
10:08<Infinito>I mean :)
10:08<tq|Memphis>should i change it to memphis/home ?
10:09<tq|Memphis>for working dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command
10:09*avu gives up, have fun :)
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10:09<noflash>tq|Memphis, there's an installation manual and a reference at documentation
10:09<fxiny>tq|Memphis: what desktop are you running : gnome kde ?
10:10<fxiny>tq|Memphis: are you sure xorg is installed ? apt-cache policy xorg
10:10<tq|Memphis>i just wanted to change my pixel "1240-1024" to "1024x768"..
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10:10<tq|Memphis>dont know.. fxiny
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10:11<tq|Memphis>i'm not sure
10:11<fxiny>tq|Memphis: type : apt-cache policy xorg
10:11<fxiny>tq|Memphis: it should say : Installed: 1:7.1.0-19
10:12<fxiny>right ?
10:12<tq|Memphis>going to try
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10:12<fxiny>have you removed anything ?
10:12<avu>I see him rebooting lots of times if he keeps this up :)
10:13<noflash>this has been going on for a couple of days
10:14<avu>hm, the tr factoid is strange
10:14<dpkg>somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
10:14<dpkg>well, se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (
10:14<avu>is it debian-tr or .tr? :)
10:15<avu>hm, neither of them has any people inside :(
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10:18<mysupper>hello. How can I find out TCP_TIMEWAIT_LEN derivative?
10:18<noflash>avu, it's #debian-tr on freenode
10:18<noflash>avu, it's on freenode
10:18<noflash>not the first one
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10:19<avu>dpkg: no, tr is türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on
10:19<dpkg>okay, avu
10:20<avu>dpkg: tr is also
10:20<dpkg>avu: okay
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10:22<fxiny>tell me
10:22<tq|Memphis>i failed :D
10:22<Entheogen>hi.. i tryed dist-upgrade (to unstable) and kde is broken.. i've replace unstable repos with testing, and i wanna know can i downgrade kde now to its previous version?
10:23<tq|Memphis>apt-cache policy xorg just showed me somthing
10:23<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
10:23<avu>tq|Memphis: it is supposed to show you something, like fxiny told you
10:23<dpkg>tr is probably türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
10:23<Entheogen>ok that is with apt-get... can i downgrade with aptitude?
10:24<avu>Entheogen: same thing there
10:24<tq|Memphis>i'm not able to join
10:24<tq|Memphis> No such channe
10:24<avu>tq|Memphis: it's on another server
10:24<tq|Memphis>i'll look there
10:24<avu>good luck :)
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10:25<fxiny>tq|Memphis: no worries : best thing is to reinstall and come back . install irssi . read irssi home page quick start first
10:25<jaakko>Entheogen: why not just remove the kde and reinstall? Backup your config.files.
10:25<fxiny>gone again
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10:25<Entheogen>jaakko, can i remove kde with one command?
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10:25<tq|Memphis>hi again :D
10:25<Entheogen>i mean, do i have to remove all packages one by one?
10:25<tq|Memphis>in there are only 3 person
10:26<tq|Memphis>and they are afk
10:26<fxiny>tq|Memphis: no worries : best thing is to reinstall and come back . install irssi . read irssi home page quick start first
10:26<fxiny>tq|Memphis: wait
10:26<tq|Memphis>ok i'll reinstall
10:26<avu>Entheogen: if you installed debian with aptitude install kde, you can remove it with aptitude remove kde
10:26<tq|Memphis>and i'll choose the CORRECT PIXELS :/
10:26<jaakko>Entheogen: I don't remember, but I think net is full of advises how to change from gnome to kde.. you can figure it out.
10:26<fxiny>tq|Memphis: you probably messed all things up . come back with a fresh install , wait a minte
10:27<tq|Memphis>ok fxiny
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10:27<fxiny>tq|Memphis: do not play with root , su only when you install
10:27<tq|Memphis>i want to run gcc compiler
10:27<fxiny>tq|Memphis: read irssi manual/quick start first then install it
10:27<tq|Memphis>can i install these packages from cdrom
10:28<gsimmons>!tell Entheogen -about remove kde
10:28<tq|Memphis>it will take couple of hours
10:28<tq|Memphis>are you online right?
10:28<fxiny>tq|Memphis: yes , how many cdrom do you have ?
10:28<tq|Memphis>me poor :/
10:29<fxiny>tq|Memphis: me or somebody else , just do not mess your system , come back with a fresh install
10:29<tq|Memphis>oke -_-
10:29<tq|Memphis>say good luck to me
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10:40<fxiny>Entheogen: iirc you should be able to remove kde with one command : just remove kdelibs
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10:54<bill_>ola alguem ai ??
10:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:57<miri>guten Morgen
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11:06<yunas>Hello To all
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11:08<jaakko>yunas: Hello to exactly you
11:09<yunas>how are you?
11:09<dpkg>yunas: you know how it is...
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11:11<kop>I've got way to many windows and tabs open. If I middle click on a tab in iceweasel does it really close the tab?
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11:11<fxiny>should be
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11:12<kop>fxiny : That's a little agressive, it's not so hard to left click on the tab's close box. Oh well.
11:13<fxiny>kop: my settings are for middle click closing the tab
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11:13<_ZeuZ_>Guys, what can I do to improve the network performance of a Debian ETCH 4.0rc3 serving 80 users (20-27 constantly). I'm currently using tc to messure how much bandwidth they can consume... but it seems like if the connections where delayed...
11:14<kop>fxiny : Must be one of those "about:" url settings.
11:14<jaakko>_ZeuZ_: do you really have enough bandwith?
11:15<fxiny>kop: i use tabs open relative extensione amd browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground true for opening in background
11:15<_ZeuZ_>jaakko: I've got 1mb symmetric of fiber with 72ms to google
11:15<fxiny>kop: last setting is for scripts running and pushing tabs
11:16<_ZeuZ_>I´ve been told to check the QoS since this box does not only serve as a gateway, but as a router...
11:16<_ZeuZ_>can anybody point me to a QoS reference manual? preferibly in spanish?
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11:16<kop>_ZeuZ_ : You've looked at stuff like vmstat to be sure there's no other bottlenecks?
11:16<fxiny>kop: about:config
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11:16<kop>fxiny : Thanks.
11:16<_ZeuZ_>gonna check it...
11:17<fxiny>kop: np
11:17<_ZeuZ_>ServerTodoSoft:~# vmstat
11:17<_ZeuZ_>procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu----
11:17<_ZeuZ_> r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa
11:17<_ZeuZ_> 0 0 4316 23220 204668 136684 0 0 2 27 31 18 1 1 94 3
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11:17<_ZeuZ_>(sorry for the flood)
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11:17<kop>!tell _ZeuZ_ -about pastebin
11:17<_ZeuZ_>lol yeah I know
11:17<_ZeuZ_>it was just handier xD
11:18<kop>_ZeuZ_ : The first line of vmstat does not say anything useful. (I think it collects stats since boot or something.)
11:18<_ZeuZ_>Then, what do you suggest me to add?
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11:19<kop>_ZeuZ_ : "vmstat 5" is good. Some counters are only updated at 5 second intervals anyhow iirc.
11:20<kop>_ZeuZ_ : And you'll want to do it when you know you've got problems. All this is just in case the box is swapping, or the cpu gets pegged out for some reason, etc.
11:20<_ZeuZ_>No, I can be sure there's no hardware problem...
11:21<_ZeuZ_>Right about now thw messure is being taken as the connections seems to be slower
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11:23*Aleric had 43271 hits in two days on his new howto.
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11:24*fxiny none of them are fxiny's hits :P
11:24<fxiny>Aleric: :)
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11:28<kop>_ZeuZ_ : Yes, it looks like you're completely bandwidth limited. (If you've 600 interrupts/sec at 1,400 bytes/packet (and it's all NIC interrupts) then you're way over 1Mbps of traffic. Of course your packets could be smaller.) What are you serving up?
11:28<_ZeuZ_>I only serve as a router, a transparent proxy (squid with cache) and ssh...
11:28<kop>_ZeuZ_ : I'm assuming you've 1M bits/sec of bandwidth, not bytes.
11:28<_ZeuZ_>You assume right...
11:29<kop>_ZeuZ_ : Well, you can only shove so many bits down the pipe. Past a certain point it's going to get slow. You want to priortize certain kinds of traffic?
11:30<kop>Aleric: I'll bite. What's the url?
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11:30<_ZeuZ_>It would be lovely... prioritize ports 80 443 and 21
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11:31<s_i_m>_ZeuZ_, about the how-tos: there is and also
11:31<_ZeuZ_>I think htb-gen is taking care of that... But I don't trust it since it does not shape the upload speed for clients...
11:31<kop>_ZeuZ_ : Is this mostly upload or download or both?
11:31<_ZeuZ_>kop: symmetric...
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11:32<kop>_ZeuZ_ : To speed the traffic entering your site you'll also want to prioritize "empty" TCP acks so that the far end knows the data was received sooner.
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11:33<kop>_ZeuZ_ : I'm afraid I use OpenBSD for my firewalling/qos and don't know enough of the Linux offhand. Sorry.
11:33<_ZeuZ_>Ok, thanks anyways...
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11:34<jaakko>_ZeuZ_: you can limit traffic with iptables and tc
11:35<_ZeuZ_>jaakko: it's what I'm doing... Well, for the TC part... how to do it with iptables?
11:35<jaakko>_ZeuZ_: But I found it hard to understand the logic. You use iptables to mark the packets
11:36<guillaume>I try to setup my xorg.conf for my nvidia 7950gtx card, could you have a look and tell me if I have set up bad option for performance with compiz-fusion ? : thank you :)
11:36<jaakko>_ZeuZ_: the ports you want/don't want, and then limit/allow them.
11:36<_ZeuZ_>jaakko: mind you if I /query you?
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11:36<kop>Aleric: Cool. You might want to start off with the critical point for those presently in pain: Immediately unmount the filesystem with the deleted files and make sure it's only ever mounted read-only until recovery is complete.
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11:37<kop>_ZeuZ_ : Better to have a public conversation. That way I can lurk.
11:37<_ZeuZ_>lol :)
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11:46<guillaume>is it possible to resume downloads from a previous install of mldk-server ? how ?
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11:47<azeem>guillaume: what's mldk-server?
11:47<guillaume>azeem: mldonkey-server package
11:47<azeem>no diea
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11:51<guillaume>I have a friend who use it under osx but had problem with it so I move old files and reinstall the server but as the previous server fail I don't wanna reload all of them but just those that are usefull in order to allow him to get the files he start to download
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11:53<janus_>hi I have just installed gtkguitune and I'm getting an error "initializing audio at /dev/dsp /dev/dsp: No such file or directory"
11:53<ith>hi, Introducing ANGELSCRiPTS: it is a command line help system to supply information and ready commands to execute on the spot. Have a look at
11:53<janus_>using debian 4.0 never had this problem with any other distro and gtkguitune
11:54<azeem>janus_: you need OSS compat
11:54<azeem>or configure gtkguitine to use ALSA if possible
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11:55<janus_>gtkguitune won't even start and i see no config files in /etc or my home
11:58<janus_>why include a program in the distro if it's not going to work at all and has no commad line options and no way to configure it?
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12:00<_ZeuZ_>jaakko still there?
12:01<s_i_m>janus_, ls -l /dev/dsp
12:01<mjk>Does "screen mc" for anybody? I only get a black screen with a white text line and a non-moving progress-indicator-char in the upper right corner -- and I can't do anything there (except for ^ak to kill it). Happens on Lenny, even with empty /etc/screenrc and ~/.screenrc.
12:01<mjk>Grmf, I wanted to write: Does "screen mc" *work* for anybody?
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12:03<mjk>"screen mc" neither works in xterm nor in rxvt, but it works as soon as I have "TERM=xterm" within screen.
12:03<fxiny>not running lenny
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12:03<fxiny>mc runs in etch mrxvt
12:03<antony>hi all...
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12:03<mjk>fxiny: Okay, thanks for the feedback
12:04<fxiny>i get rid of utf8 cause mrxvt don't support utf8 and i had bad chars
12:04<fxiny>mjk: np
12:04<antony>help please, I have a debian on vmware.. after doing apt-get dist-upgrade .. my mouse on the debian is not working.. I need to get some files out of the debian but can't.. how to reenable the mouse?
12:04<_ZeuZ_>anybody up to give me a hand with tc ?
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12:06<mjk>WTF ... after having run "screen mc" on the console, it seems to work perfectly in X11 ... sheeesh ...
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12:06<fxiny>mjk: does mc f3 works or you have to pull down a menu ?
12:07<mjk>fxiny: Now everything seems to work after I ran "screen mc" on the text mode console ... very strange.
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12:07<fxiny>mjk: LC_ALL=C mc ?
12:08<mjk>fxiny: I changed *nothing*, really!
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12:08<mjk>fxiny: The problem doesn't occur currently. But upon the next boot, I'll immediately check again. Grmf ...
12:08*mjk hates Heisenbugs.
12:09<antony>any help in checking why mouse not working?
12:10<path>antony, in X or console ?
12:10<antony>path, both in x and console
12:10<antony>I use mc in console, usually mouse work.. but now not working.. so is the case with X
12:11<mjk>antony: What does "lsmod | grep psmouse" say?
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12:11<mjk>antony: (In case you have a PS/2 mouse)
12:11<antony>psmouse 36474 0
12:11<mjk>antony: Hm, looks ok.
12:12<antony>so could be the vmware?
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12:12<mjk>antony: Don't know. Does "cat /dev/psaux" (as root) and wiggling the mouse give you weird characters?
12:13<fxiny>mc and mouse ? i know it works in konsole but not in mrxvt . cannot remember gnome-terminal . does yiour mouse works ? tyoe xev and check
12:13<antony>mjk, yes it gives me weird chars
12:14<fxiny>run xev
12:14<mjk>antony: Okay, so the mouse itself and the appropriate input driver (psmouse I think) still work.
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12:14<antony>fxiny, xecv: unable to open display (I'm in console)
12:14<antony>sorry.. xev
12:15<noflash>does it need mousedev too?
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12:15<antony>mjk, this happen after I do apt-get update-dist
12:15<mjk>fxiny: xev needs to be focussed - if his mouse pointer doesn't move, chances are this doesn't help, I think ...
12:15<antony>anyway to remove and then reinstall the mouse?
12:15<fxiny>mjk: yes . you right
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12:16<fxiny>antony: vmware ? no idea never run linux on it . could it be some vmware tools not installed or configured ?
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12:17<mjk>antony: You could try to run a second X server: xinit -- :1
12:17<antony>fxiny, yes,.. it complained that vmware tools not installed.. but i was installed before the dis-upgrade
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12:17<mjk>antony: (Maybe you need to run this command from a console)
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12:18<antony>fxiny, and before this.. without vmtools mouse works..
12:18<fxiny>antony: i don't have it installed atm . no menu entry ?
12:18<antony>mjk, can I run it in the ctrl-alt-f1 console?
12:18<mjk>antony: Yes.
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12:18<antony>fxiny, the install vmware tools menu is ther.. but after clicking.. nothing happened
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12:19<tq|Memphis>hi again
12:19<fxiny>antony: dist upgrade ? what kernel ?
12:19<tq|Memphis>fxiny i reinstalled
12:19<mjk>antony: Hmm ... did the dist-upgrade also upgrade to a new kernel?
12:19<antony>mjk, it opens an X console..
12:19<mjk>antony: And does the mouse work there?
12:19<fxiny>tq|Memphis: i'm coming to you
12:20<antony>mjk, yes new kernel, fxiny.. I forgot *sigh*
12:20<fxiny>antony: i'0d reinstall vmware to see if is a module problem
12:20<mjk>antony: new kernel could require recompilation of some vmware kernel modules.
12:20<fxiny>tq|Memphis: right . so now eveything is ok ? is gnome runnign fine ?
12:20<antony>fxiny.. my vmware source is not around :(
12:20<tq|Memphis>yes now i have 2 problem
12:21<tq|Memphis>one of them is i have "1280x1024" screen
12:21<fxiny>antony: i don't have it around either . i know it works on etch
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12:21<tq|Memphis>i want to use my comp "1024x867"
12:21<fxiny>tq|Memphis: wait a minute .
12:21<antony>mjk, recompile vmware kernel modules... let me search it in vmware's help first
12:21<fxiny>tq|Memphis: is irssi installed ?
12:21<fxiny>tq|Memphis: did you read irssi quickstart guide ?
12:21<azeem>tq|Memphis: try running "gnome-display-properties"
12:21<tq|Memphis>i used atitude install xchat-gnome
12:22<azeem>if you're running GNOME
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12:22<mjk>antony: I can see approprate packages in the Debian repository. Do a "uname -r" and a "dpkg -l|grep vmware-kernel-modules" to see if the appropriate module package is installed at all.
12:22<antony>mjk, hang on
12:22<fxiny>tq|Memphis: so start with that . then : browse to . read provided documents , any language you want
12:23<fxiny>tombs: do not install or remove anything . let gnome running as it is
12:23<antony>uname -r: 2.6.24-1.686
12:23<fxiny>tombs: tab completion
12:23<antony>I just remember.. when booting I got choices of kernel.. maybe that will help
12:23<fxiny>bloody hell : already gone !
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12:24<tq|Memphis>still same problem
12:24<mjk>antony: Just exec the "dpkg -l ..."
12:24<antony>mjk, nothing found
12:24<mjk>antony: Oh.
12:24<azeem>tq|Memphis: what problem?
12:24<antony>so correct.. no vmware-kernel modules..
12:24<antony>mjk, fxiny.. thanks..
12:24<tq|Memphis>when i said "1024x867" asking me root login/password i'm giving them
12:24<mjk>antony: Then you probably (I don't use VMware) need to install an appropriate kernel-modules package
12:24<tq|Memphis>and nothing happens
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12:24<fxiny>antony: np
12:24<tq|Memphis>only closing all programs
12:24<azeem>tq|Memphis: what command did you run?
12:24<mjk>antony: "apt-cache search -n vmware-kernel-modules"
12:24<antony>I'm looking at to compile kernel modules...
12:25<antony>let me try it on my own first :)
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12:25<mjk>antony: That lists the VMware kernel module packages available in the Debian repository.
12:25<mjk>antony: Ok. :-)
12:25<tingle>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
12:25<tingle>can someone suggest me a c compuler to install?
12:25<azeem>tq|Memphis: gcc
12:25<tq|Memphis>azeem are you a bot?
12:25<azeem>tingle: gcc
12:25<azeem>tq|Memphis: no
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12:25<azeem>tq|Memphis: which command did you run?
12:26<tq|Memphis>which command did i run
12:26<fxiny>tq|Memphis: listen to azeem
12:26<azeem>tq|Memphis: shouldn't *you* know?
12:26<tq|Memphis>gnome "bla bla" - porperties
12:26<mjk>tq|Memphis: azeem could pass the Turing test. ;-)
12:26<azeem>tq|Memphis: ok, so what happened?
12:26<tq|Memphis>asked me login name and password
12:26<tq|Memphis>i wrote
12:26<tq|Memphis>then still nothing happened
12:26<azeem>tq|Memphis: eh, it will not ask you for that
12:26<tq|Memphis>only closed all programs
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12:27<azeem>tq|Memphis: are you running GNOME or KDE?
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12:27<azeem>tq|Memphis: did it ask you on the terminal, or did a window pop up?
12:28<tq|Memphis>window pop
12:28<stond>can someone please tell me what to type in terminal to move files and folder to root folders
12:28<tq|Memphis>i dont want to use "1280x1024" words are too SMALL :/
12:28<azeem>tq|Memphis: so setup a bigger font
12:28<fxiny>stond: why ?
12:29<tq|Memphis>but not only font problem :/
12:29<tq|Memphis>i adapted to 1024x768
12:29<azeem>tq|Memphis: adapted what and how?
12:29<azeem>oh, yourself
12:29<fxiny>stond: what exactly are you trying to do ?
12:30<azeem>tq|Memphis: you can try the "Screen Resolution" program from Preferences from the top menu
12:30<stond>because I want to install remotejoy gui for linux can you help me
12:30<azeem>eh, top panel
12:30<tq|Memphis>i want to change "1280x1024" to "1024x768"
12:30<tq|Memphis>oke checking
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12:30<fxiny>stond: what debian version are you running ?
12:31<tingle>azeem: do you know what this means? configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
12:31<Icecrusher>Hi.. can anyone help me? i'm Running Debian 4.0 and i have lost my Rootserver Root password
12:31<rafal>tingle: gcc is not installed?
12:31<stond>I think ubuntu 7.10
12:31<tq|Memphis>azeem from there its not changing to 1024x768
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12:31<tq|Memphis>the point is that
12:31<rafal>tingle: apt-get install gcc
12:31<tingle>rafal: done that
12:32<tq|Memphis>whatever i will change font size and i will adapt to "1280x1024"
12:32<fxiny>stond: you should join #ubuntu then
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12:32<tingle>rafal: thats the output it gives after installing gcc an rerun ./configures
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12:32<antony>is package kernel-source and linux-source the same? I tried apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.24 but cant find any package..
12:32<stond>ok thanks i will
12:33<fxiny>stond: np . think twice before mv root stuff
12:33<rafal>tingle: echo " int main() { return 0; } " > a.c && gcc a.c
12:33<mjk>Icecrusher: Your rootserver provider should give you access to your root server via a rescue console or something, where you /might/ be able to run some rescue Debian/other Linux, mount your root filesystem, edit/clear the appropriate entries in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow.
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12:34<tq|Memphis>azeem same happened
12:34<Icecrusher>mjk: I have access as second user, but i can't edit passwd :(
12:34<Icecrusher>mjk: and my provider doesn't answer about 1 week grrrr
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12:34<tq|Memphis>i choosed 1024x768 than asked me in a window pop login/password , than closed all programs which are xchar web etc..
12:34<mjk>Icecrusher: Then you need to find a remote exploit in Debian. :-}
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12:35<Icecrusher>mjk: do you knew any? :D
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12:35<mjk>Icecrusher: Do you have root access via NFS maybe?
12:35<Icecrusher>mjk: NFS?
12:35<fxiny>mjk: a remote sploit ? hahahah , good one :)
12:35<mjk>Icecrusher: Network File System.
12:35<Icecrusher>mjk: how can i check if i had?
12:35<mjk>fxiny: All your base are belong to us !!11one
12:36<rafal>MAIN SCREEN ON
12:36<fxiny>mjk: yes ! vi are the green invaders ;)
12:36<mjk>Icecrusher: as root: md /mnt/somedir && mount -t nfs your.pc.tld:/ /mnt/somedir
12:36<mjk>Icecrusher: mkdir instead of md
12:37<tq|Memphis>fxiny can we talk in private
12:37<Icecrusher>does it work on rootserver with ssh access? oO
12:37<mjk>Icecrusher: No, you have to execute these commands from your local PC.
12:37<mjk>Icecrusher: But it's very unlikely that you have an NFS server running if you don't know what it is.
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12:37<rafal>there should be a project that installs chrooted LAMP by default.
12:37<Icecrusher>my local OS is windows XP :/ i only have a debian 4.0 Root Server without gui
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12:38<fxiny>tq|Memphis: stay in chan . we all are waiting to see what's wrong with your set up
12:38<rafal>Icecrusher: root server wtf
12:38<tq|Memphis>i choosed 1024x768 than asked me in a window pop login/password , than closed all programs which are xchar web etc..
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12:38<tq|Memphis>but still "1280x1024"
12:38<Icecrusher>rafal: why wtf? :/ grr
12:38<fxiny>tq|Memphis: so , i heard you are trying hard to install debian and i appreciate it
12:39<mjk>Icecrusher: How about using the provider's telephone hotline?
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12:39<Icecrusher>No answer, i alwas at queue -.-
12:39<mjk>Icecrusher: Sure, it's probably expensive, but if you don't want to wait for a week ..
12:39<mjk>Icecrusher: Hmf ...
12:39<bighornram>How can I fix the resolution of gdm?
12:39<fxiny>tq|Memphis: now . if you run dpkg-reconfigure xorg as root . what happen ?
12:40<fxiny>tq|Memphis: one step at tha time
12:40<tq|Memphis>fxiny now it works
12:40<tq|Memphis>but last time i shited to my debian
12:40<fxiny>tq|Memphis: good , we are going ahead
12:40<tq|Memphis>i dont want to use that command again :p
12:40<Icecrusher>mjk: i was tryin to delete the x behind root: but i can't edit this file on running os :/
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12:40<fxiny>tq|Memphis: are you sure you are giving the right input about yiur hardware ?
12:41<stond>can someone please tell me what to type in terminal to move files and folder to root folders
12:41<mjk>Icecrusher: Huh? What's "the x behind root"?
12:41<mjk>stond: For you, it would be best to start with "mc", I guess, because with the command line, you can break things /very/ easily.
12:41<tq|Memphis>fxiny the answer is no
12:42<mjk>stond: If it's not installd: apt-get install mc
12:42<mjk>stond: (as root)
12:42<tq|Memphis>can we fix this problem without that?
12:42<fxiny>tq|Memphis: don't worrie : you do not save at the end if you are not sure . you can run it 100 times but do not save
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12:42<tq|Memphis>now go step by step
12:42<tq|Memphis>i'm on root terminal now
12:42<fxiny>tq|Memphis: so you are not sure . is it a double boot box ? is windows installed on the same box ?
12:43<Icecrusher>mjk: when i open etc/passwd << with editor, i can edit the first line root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash and can delete the x so, i can login to root, and change my passwd, but i can't edit xD
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12:43<fxiny>tq|Memphis: good . so now ., grab all your hardware information form windows
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12:44<fxiny>tq|Memphis: and try noit to guess when you reconfigure x
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12:44<azeem>or just run lspci | grep VGA
12:44<tq|Memphis>hmm u mean note the ati redeonx1650 etc..
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12:44<tq|Memphis>model version etc
12:44<fxiny>tq|Memphis: yes : > azeem> or just run lspci | grep VGA
12:44<fxiny>do that
12:44<tq|Memphis>oke than?
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12:45<fxiny>reconfigure and check
12:45<tq|Memphis>what was the command
12:45<azeem>tq|Memphis: then tell us what the output is
12:45<tq|Memphis>i will note it
12:45<tq|Memphis>reconfigure command?
12:46<tq|Memphis>ok im going to note versions models
12:46<mrmango__>damn I need a new linux book. Mines 6 years old !
12:46<tq|Memphis>coming in 5 minute
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12:46<mjk>Icecrusher: Ah, okay =)
12:46<mjk>Icecrusher: But in your case, you'd need to edit /etc/shadow, as it's the location in Debian for passwords.
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12:46<Icecrusher>mjk: but anywhere mus be a file where i can read the decrypted passwd or? so i can encrypt it -.- like etc/shadow but i can't edit it grr
12:47<stond>can someone please tell me what to type in terminal to move files and folder to root folders
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12:47<mrmango__>user root or root folder?
12:48<bighornram>How can I fix this problem? Windows can move about the entire screen.
12:48<fxiny>stond: the unix command is mv . check mv manual by typing : man mv
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12:51<tingle>if i add the latest wine Repository in debian etch (4.0) and install it would that normally work? i get a weird error after trying to install it .
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12:53<fxiny>tingle: what version ? bpo offers [0.0.20041019-1] (0.9.34-1~bpo.1
12:54<fxiny>i have 0.0.20041019-1 version installed :P
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12:54<tq|Memphis>hi again
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12:54<tq|Memphis>i got informations
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12:54<fxiny>no , not that one
12:54<fxiny>tq|Memphis: yes ?
12:55<tq|Memphis>Radeon X1600/X1650 Series , 96 dpi , 85 Hertz , DAC --> internal Dac ( 400 MHz )
12:55<trench>tingle: deb binary/
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12:55<tq|Memphis>are these enough for me?
12:55<trench>tingle: and deb-src source/
12:56<fxiny>tq|Memphis: sorry . a call .
12:56<tq|Memphis>no problem :/
12:57<m0RrE>hmh, what drivers do you use for nvidia cards? i don't really like the nvidia driver.. i get bad fps in all games.. i've got a 6800gt 256mb..
12:58<m0RrE>i don't even get steady 100fps in cs 1.6 trough wine :P
12:58*Gathond uses the oss one, but trust me, that has worse 3d support aka SW only
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12:58<tq|Memphis>i'm not playing fps
12:58<tq|Memphis>strategy > all :p
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12:58<tq|Memphis>sc w3 ra etc.
12:58<Gathond>I however don't use 3d, and the oss one supports hibernation/suspend without crashing my machine
12:58<tq|Memphis>dota > all
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12:58<bighornram>any suggestions how to reconfigure gdm (I think) to fix resolution?
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12:59<m0RrE>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
12:59<tq|Memphis>i have same problem bighornram
12:59<tq|Memphis>im trying to fix it
12:59<tq|Memphis>when i will , i can tell you
12:59<m0RrE>have you installed display drivers?
12:59<exrem>hello can i ask a question?
12:59<tq|Memphis>and dont use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg if u dont know ur properties
12:59<exrem>how to configure wine in Lenny?
13:00<tq|Memphis>exrem just ask
13:00<tq|Memphis>dont ask for asking
13:00<exrem>it says "Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible."
13:00<tq|Memphis>m0Rre i have not installed display drivers
13:00<tq|Memphis>i mean i dont know i did or not :/
13:00<azeem>tq|Memphis: just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and hit return on all questions except for the one asking for the resolution - select your desired resolution there
13:00<m0RrE>have you configured a custom kernel tq|Memphis ? do that and install the drivers from nvidia.
13:01<azeem>m0RrE: what
13:01<tq|Memphis>i did it before and i had to re-install debian :/
13:01<azeem>m0RrE: please don't give ill advice
13:01<tq|Memphis>know second try
13:01<bighornram>azeem: I have tried that and it won't fix.
13:01<tq|Memphis>it SHOULD work :)
13:01<azeem>m0RrE: tq|Memphis has a ATI card
13:01<m0RrE>aight :)
13:01<m0RrE>my bad
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13:02<bighornram>when boots up, gdm is also limited by the resolution. (has same dimensions as my pasted image's gnome panels.
13:03<tq|Memphis>i dont know this list
13:03<tq|Memphis>vesa vga nv
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13:03<tq|Memphis>what should i select?
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13:03<tq|Memphis>there are a lot of things
13:03<azeem>tq|Memphis: did you read what I just said?
13:03<azeem>17:59 < azeem> tq|Memphis: just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and hit return on all questions except for the one asking for the resolution - select your desired resolution there
13:03<weasel>tq|Memphis does not like reading, or trying. he wants to have his hand held.
13:03<tq|Memphis>ok i saw ati
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13:03<tq|Memphis>sorry :/
13:04<azeem>query tq|Memphis
13:04<weasel>really, you would be better off with some help from your local LUG
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13:04<cckk>someone knows how to pass the subnet broadcast packets udp on port 11079 to another subnet broadcast
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13:05<qq>cckk: that do for you 'cat /etc/debian_version' ?
13:05<weasel>cckk: "ewwwww".
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13:06<cckk>qq the latest etch kernel 2.6.2?.?
13:06<cckk>weasel hi
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13:06<cckk>the PC is not hete qq
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13:08<tq|Memphis>250mb = 250000kb right?
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13:08<azeem>tq|Memphis: what's the context?
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13:08<tq|Memphis>its turkish :)
13:08<Gathond>well depends on whether you calculate in base 10 or base 2 units
13:08<azeem>so translate, or run in an english locale
13:08<tq|Memphis>and my enghlish is not enough to translate to english :/
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13:09<weasel>faaf: WHAT?
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13:09<azeem>tq|Memphis: are you still doing dpkg-reconfigure ?
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13:09<Gathond>if the b means bits it is usually base 10 and ten you would be right
13:09<tq|Memphis>it says intal i810 doesnt need any kb to use
13:09<mr_mango>hmm irssi is interesting
13:09<azeem>tq|Memphis: did you *still* not read what I saud?
13:09<tq|Memphis>i read ^^
13:09<faaf>what shoud i use to pass the .11.255 udp port 11079 packets to .10.255?
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13:10<azeem>tq|Memphis: so why are you messing around with memory parametesr?
13:10<Gathond>if it is bytes you are probably talking base 2 in which case one MB is 1024 KB
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13:10<udinaaaa> ci sono ragazze italiane?
13:10<tq|Memphis>i'm a stupid
13:10<azeem>tq|Memphis: once you get your screen resolution fixed you can mess around with the other setting as much as you like
13:10<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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13:11<tq|Memphis>azeem> tq|Memphis: just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and hit return on all questions except for the one asking for the resolution - select your desired resolution there
13:11<tq|Memphis>but u said run dpkg
13:11<weasel>AND IT IS NOT "u"
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13:11<tq|Memphis>and i run
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13:11<azeem>where does it say "care about the memory"?
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13:12<azeem>I said you should care about memory?
13:12<tq|Memphis>no :/
13:12<tq|Memphis>ok skipping
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13:13<bighornram>azeem: I just ran the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and I still have same problem, doesn't fix. Vertical refresh wrongly Identifies as 30 Hz, should be 60 Hz. Manual edit of xorg.conf doesn't fix either.
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13:13<tq|Memphis>what is the go back command?
13:13<tq|Memphis>again i wrote something wrong
13:13<tq|Memphis>--> stupid
13:14<azeem>try hitting ctrl+c
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13:14<fxiny>bighornram: you can set your refresh hor/vert rate while running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:14<azeem>tq|Memphis: then ctrl+z and killall dpkg-reconfigure maybe
13:14<azeem>tq|Memphis: or reboot
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13:15<tq|Memphis>i'm scaring *..*
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13:16<tq|Memphis>if i close the terminal , all my configs close without save?
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13:17<tq|Memphis>omfg i'm the biggest stupid in the world
13:17<tq|Memphis>i will never learn debian
13:17<fxiny>bighornram: monitor > simple/medium/ go for avanced
13:18<bighornram>fxiny: just did it brb
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13:18<azeem>tq|Memphis: closing the terminal is OK as well
13:18<hachi>Supaplex: how do you fire up your UML in screen?
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13:19<hachi>Supaplex: I had to write a wrapper script and supply dummy args to xterm= because it requires you to supply args
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13:20<fenix>hiiiii how are you
13:20<dpkg>fenix: you know how it is...
13:20<fenix>fala em portugues
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13:23<tq|Memphis>what is mouse connection point?
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13:23<tq|Memphis>/dev/input/mice ?
13:24<azeem>tq|Memphis: uhm...
13:24<tq|Memphis>whatever i selected it
13:24<azeem>tq|Memphis: do you want me to repeat again?
13:24<tq|Memphis>sorry :D
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13:25<azeem>tq|Memphis: if you don't listen to us anyway, why do you keep asking questions?
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13:27<tq|Memphis>because its my first using of debian i'm a little bit sensation
13:28<azeem>it still doesn't make sense
13:28<tq|Memphis>soory for sabotaging english :/
13:29<fxiny>tq|Memphis: debian provides pretty detailed good docs . in many languages . try browsing > documents .
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13:29<lontra>if i did tasksel gnome-desktop vs. aptitude install gnome-desktop ... what's the difference?
13:29<fxiny>tq|Memphis: your box now is up and running
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13:30<tq|Memphis>ok configuration has just finished
13:30<azeem>lontra: I don't think gnome-desktop is a task
13:30<tq|Memphis>let try
13:30<tq|Memphis>should i restart?
13:30<lontra>azeem: oh ... i thought it was ... kde-desktop is
13:30<azeem>maybe it is
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13:30<azeem>gnome-desktop is not a package anyway
13:31<lontra>it's a task right?
13:31<kharn>question: I just formatted a drive, it is now displayed as "465.8 GB Volume" .... how do i change its label!?? I have attempted to use e2label, mkfs, tune2fs ... with no success ...
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13:31<azeem>lontra: ok, so it is
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13:32<lontra>stump the op day ;)
13:32<lontra>so there wouldn't be any difference then right?
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13:32<memphis>AGAIN my debian shited!
13:32<memphis>zzz i will reinstall and dont change anything
13:33<azeem>lontra: if aptitude install gnome-desktop works
13:33<memphis>i connected from irssi
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13:33<azeem>memphis: "shited" is not an adequate error description
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13:33<memphis>no msg coming me..
13:33<lontra>he he
13:34<azeem>memphis: if you don't need help, we did you come hereß
13:34<kharn>fxiny: ty
13:34<memphis>anybody hear me?
13:34<lontra>oh a beta sign
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13:35<fxiny>kharn: np
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13:35<fxiny>again ? you starting the wow signals again ? wt4x !
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13:40<tq|Memphis>hi from windows xp
13:41<tq|Memphis>my debian again shited :(
13:41<azeem>18:32 < azeem> memphis: "shited" is not an adequate error description
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13:41<tq|Memphis>my debian is working on cmd mode only
13:42<azeem>I get that
13:42<azeem>was is the /error/ you're getting when trying to go graphical?
13:42<tq|Memphis>about grapich
13:42<tq|Memphis>3 pages
13:42<azeem>what is the error
13:42<tq|Memphis>3 page
13:42<azeem>put it on a pastebin
13:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
13:43<tq|Memphis>i'll write it oke
13:43<azeem>or upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:43<tq|Memphis>it will take couple of minutes
13:43<tq|Memphis>are you there?
13:43<tq|Memphis>maybe not ^^
13:43<tq|Memphis>oke going to note
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14:00<maurizio>salve a tutti
14:01<maurizio>qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi a chiarire dei
14:01<maurizio>"piccoli" problemi
14:01<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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14:04<tq|Memphis>i wrote
14:05<tq|Memphis>i did not write all pages just starting like that..
14:05<tq|Memphis>any idea?
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14:07<fxiny>ahhhhh : OT yes ! >>
14:08<fxiny>they "tried Fedora" hahahah
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14:08<tq|Memphis>Debian > all
14:08<fxiny>debian beat sgi 8 to 1 :))
14:09<tq|Memphis>this is my error page ^^
14:10<fxiny>i've seen it yes . dunno how you borked your box again
14:10<tq|Memphis>i reconfiged again :/
14:11<tq|Memphis>should i re-install debian again?
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14:12<fxiny>tq|Memphis: try this : apt-get --reinstall install xorg
14:13<tq|Memphis>apt-get --reinstall install xorg
14:13<tq|Memphis>going to try
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14:14<fxiny>now , if anyone dare to ask if debian is stable i'll do some magic : "After trying several Linux flavours such as Red Hat, Mandrake, Fedora and others, PAGASA went with a Debian cluster as it was the most stable in their servers."
14:15<craigevil>gotta love the idiots that posted on /. saying debian isnt a desktop OS
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14:16<franklin>fxiny, do you think tq|Memephis had typed pastebin manually ? (did he tried "pastebin pipe" ?)
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14:17<fxiny>franklin: i need a cluster like that to decode his actions ;)
14:18<fxiny>he's a human tsunami
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14:18<franklin>he needs a cluster like to reinstall Debian every 5 minutes ;)
14:18<bighornram>tq|Memephis: I just discovered in System Profile it lists Monitor0 and Monitor1, monitor0 has the resolution I'm stuck on and monitor1 has the one I want. Can someone tell me how to change to monitor1?
14:18<s_i_m>fxiny, tq|Memphis, xorg is just a meta-package, reinstalling it will not help.
14:19<bighornram>the intel card supports 2 monitors and gnome is showing me the wrong one I think.
14:20<franklin>The cluster thing is having a good press coverage... great ! (google "PAGASA debian cluster" = 484 hits)
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14:21<fxiny>s_i_m: i already made him to full reinstall once today ;)
14:21<Gathond>have you suggested he install xfonts-base?
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14:21<fxiny>then came /. which sweetened my heart :P
14:21<Gathond>that has done wonders for me, for some reason it seems the dependencies of X itself includes no fonts
14:22<Gathond>probably because fonts are not strictly required to be on the same machine as the X server
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14:22<fxiny>it was working then he did it again : dunno how
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14:23<s_i_m>Gathond, yes, fonts can be provided by a font-server for ex.
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14:23<fxiny>look at that : $5000 down to $250 !
14:23<Gathond>s_i_m: I'm aware:) its just always something I end up without:)
14:23<s_i_m>i see =)
14:25<franklin>bighornram, how many monitors do you have ?
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14:30<bighornram>franklin: it is a dell laptop. only one. but gnome control center / display shows 2
14:30<bighornram>I don't see a way to switch them.
14:31<franklin>bighornram, 1 = built-in ("LVDS") 2 = VGA
14:31<franklin>bighornram, have you tried xrandr ?
14:31<bighornram>franklin: what is xrandr?
14:32<franklin>bighornram, a feature of xorg to reconfigure reslution dynamically.
14:32<franklin>bighornram, from a command line, just type "xrandr" to display current settings.
14:35<bighornram>bingo! shows LVDS and TV the TV has the 1024x768 resolution that gnome is using and LVDS shows 1280x800 which is what I need to use
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14:36<franklin>bighornram, something like "xrandr --output TV --off --output --auto" should do
14:36<franklin>bighornram, something like "xrandr --output TV --off --output LVDS --auto" should do
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14:37<franklin>bighornram, I forgot to specify "LVDS" in the first line.
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14:45<torrr>gsimmons, thanks
14:45<bighornram>franklin: this is the solution per google but haven't figured out the command to do it.
14:46<franklin>bighornram, what's wrong when you run it ?
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14:47<bighornram>when I enter your command it goes to -help output
14:48<franklin>bighornram, let me try it ;)
14:49<bighornram>debian-dell:/home/jeff# xrandr
14:49<bighornram>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 1280 x 1280
14:49<bighornram>VGA disconnected (normal left inverted right)
14:49<bighornram>LVDS connected 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 286mm x 179mm
14:49<bighornram> 1280x800 60.0*+ 60.0
14:49<bighornram> 1280x768 60.0
14:49<bighornram> 1024x768 60.0
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14:49<bighornram> 800x600 60.3
14:49<bighornram> 640x480 59.9
14:49<bighornram>TMDS-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right)
14:49<bighornram>TV connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 0mm x 0mm
14:49<bighornram> 1024x768 30.0*
14:49<bighornram> 800x600 30.0
14:49<bighornram> 848x480 30.0
14:49<bighornram> 640x480 30.0
14:49<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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14:50<c4_>how can i pass the x.x.10.255 broadcast UDP port 11079 packages to same port and protocol on another subnet x.x.11.255 broadcast?
14:50<franklin>bighornram, on lenny, this one worked for me : xrandr --output VGA --off --output LCDS --auto
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14:51<bighornram>k will try that one.
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14:52<guillaume>I try to setup my xorg.conf for my nvidia 7950gtx card, could you have a look and tell me if I have set up bad option for performance with compiz-fusion ? : thank you :)
14:53<franklin>bighornram, actually I've just noticed a bug (xrandr should have slapped me LCDS != LVDS )
14:53<bighornram>you are my hero! will this stay this way on reboot now?
14:53<franklin>bighornram, No !
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14:53<franklin>bighornram, I have something else :
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14:54<franklin>bighornram, read you will need stuffs related to "TVOutput"
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14:55<bighornram>very cool. thankyou much!
14:55<c4_>franklin: who is a route guru here?
14:56<franklin>franklin, that's 5 lines ... a shorten fragment is at
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14:57<franklin>c4_, on hte same interface ?
14:58<c4_>franklin: eth1 and eth3
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14:58<franklin>do you already have routing anabled ?
14:58<franklin>do you already have routing enabled ?
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14:59<Entheogen>guys i just compiled kernel (with make-kpkg) and i need initrd
14:59<franklin>c4_, I meant forwarding enabled ?
14:59<Entheogen>how can i make one?
14:59<Entheogen>i tried with mkinitramfs -o but that doesnt work
14:59<c4_>franklin: i dont know, ># route is working, but...
14:59<c4_>yes yes
14:59<c4_>franklin forward is on
15:00<s_i_m>Entheogen, initrd image will be generated on install.
15:00<Entheogen>it wasnt...
15:00<s_i_m>then you have not enabled it when compiling
15:00<Entheogen>so i need to recompile?
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15:01<c4_>i have readed that .255 won't get to PREROUTING for iptables, so i don't know what to use
15:01<s_i_m>look for --initrd option of make-kpkg
15:01<alexho>Installing Debian 40r3/64bit fails to install on Supermicro 5015/8GB RAM (PDSMi Board, Pentium D). During installation - while reading files from net - things go haywire (as if memory was corrupt). Memory tests as OK. Also Win2003/64, OpenSuse 10.3/64 do run fine with access to all 8GB. Also Debian 40r3/386 installs fine (with 4GB of RAM).
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15:02<Entheogen>s_i_m, it says exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=vanilla.1 INITRD=YES
15:02<Entheogen>nothing to be done.
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15:03<c4_>damn pc!
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15:05<s_i_m>Entheogen, try make-kpkg clean and then run make-kpkg with --initrd option again.
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15:05<yannick_lm>anyone using alpine here ?
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15:05<franklin>c4have you tried something like :
15:06<Entheogen>s_i_m, nothing to be done again...
15:07<s_i_m>cannot be. clean erases everything.
15:07<Entheogen>well it erased first
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15:08<Entheogen>but nothing to be done in the end... :
15:08<s_i_m>what command exactly have you tried?
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15:08<Entheogen>to compile kernel?
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15:08<s_i_m>with make-kpkg
15:08<Entheogen>make-kpkg kernel_image
15:08<Entheogen>just that
15:09<s_i_m>you have to add --initrd to this
15:09<Entheogen>ok.. i do not have make menuconfig again?
15:10<s_i_m>Entheogen, zless /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
15:11<s_i_m>nou, you do not, if u did not do "make clean" instead of "make-kpkg clean".
15:11<Entheogen>ok ok
15:11<s_i_m>btw, /usr/share/doc/
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15:13<Entheogen>its compiling now
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15:13<Entheogen>i hope it will work
15:13<nou>so do i :)
15:14<s_i_m>rolf, sorry, i did not mean your nick =)
15:14<noli>hi all
15:14<s_i_m>you see, my typing is lossy
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15:15<nou>s_i_m: np ;-)
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15:20<noli>qq, hola
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15:21<noli>p_quarles, lol
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15:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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15:23<david_>de que se trata este canal?
15:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:24<noli>!tell david
15:24<azeem>noli: eh?
15:24<noli>!tell david about
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15:24<noli>azeem, lol
15:24<david_>tell me about what?
15:24<noli>el canal
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15:28<alexho>I cannot install Debian 40r3/64bit on Supermicro 5015/8GB RAM (PDSMi Board, Pentium D). During installation - while reading files from net - things go haywire (like memory was corrupt). Hardware seems OK, Memory tests as OK and OpenSuse 10.3/64 runs fine with access to all 8GB. Debian 40r3/386 installs with 4GB of RAM. Any helpful hints what I should try?
15:29<s_i_m>do you use a 'bigmem' kernel?
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15:29<alexho>I just did a default install
15:30<s_i_m>i think you have to choose another kernel. one of those marked as 'bigmem'.
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15:31<alexho>thanks - I will try this. Just curious, what is "bigmem" good for an 64bit system???
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15:32<marcels>hi all
15:32<marcels>i have a problem, maybe someone can help me out
15:32<mazur>I am so angry when i wathing movies on my dvd on debian my dvd-reader is so loud because read max speed all time. sudo hdpram -E 8 not work . what can i do ?
15:32<fxiny>64bit ? check this
15:33<jaakko>marcels: what is your problem??
15:33<marcels>i want to connect to some irc server, its secured by ssl
15:34<marcels>and the port i am supposed to use is "+6601" but i cant connect when i enter 6601 in the port field
15:34<alexho>fyiny, thx - this looks great!
15:34<fxiny>alexho: np
15:34<marcels>maybe its not workin cause of some ssl problem,
15:34<s_i_m>alexho, your message actually said you had installed Debian 40r3/386.
15:34<marcels>ssl should be workin with Konversation without any further installations right?
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15:35<alexho>S_i_m: i tried and failed 40r3/64. Just out of curiosity and to rule out other problems I also tried 30r3/386 - which is working fine, but only utilizes 4GB out of 8GB.
15:36<fxiny>that's why you want a bigmem kernel
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15:37<fxiny>oh 8 ?
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15:38<alexho>actually I'd like to run 64 bit... - on a system w 8GB of RAM this sould be preferrable to running i386???
15:38<fxiny>a desktop or a server ?
15:39<fxiny>32 bit for a desktop is fine
15:40<s_i_m>fxiny, with PAE bigmem will work up to 64 Gb, iirc.
15:40<alexho>this is a 1U rackmount server, and shall be used as a server
15:40<fxiny>s_i_m: yes that's right up to 64
15:40<s_i_m>never had such a thing in practice, however.
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15:40<fxiny>server 64
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15:41<alexho>afaik 32bit and PAE is way slower than 64bit and linear adressing?
15:42<fxiny>s_i_m: mee too but this is exactly what is recommended in this chan . i always see 32 recommended desktop 64 server and kmuto follow
15:43<fxiny>s_i_m: i'm still waiting for my BIG box ;)
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15:47<fxiny>i'd install a 64 vserver on mine anyway
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15:52<jaakko>weedeater: running out of weed?
15:52<fxiny>grazing recession ?
15:53<fxiny>you need shares ? a barrell of oil ? :P
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15:54<weedeater>jaakko:I was trying to access the help file.
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15:54<fxiny>oh we are the help file :P
15:55<noflash>weedeater, /msg dpkg help if you're talking about the bot
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15:56<weedeater>fxiny: I got irssi now, from here when I type /list or/help, nothing happens.
15:57<fxiny>weedeater: ctrl-n > move to the status window . try there
15:57<weedeater>noflash: /msg dpkg did nothing
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16:01<weedeater>fxiny: ctrl -n worked
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16:04<weedeater>I need a sandbox channel for irc noobs.
16:05<jaakko>weedeater: /j #noobs
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16:06<weedeater>jaakko:Thanks I'll go try that.
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16:08<Entheogen>s_i_m, i just finished compiling kernel
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16:09<tq|Memphis>hi again :
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16:09<Entheogen>and now it cannot install... it says smth like "not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled"....
16:09<tq|Memphis>i re-installed debian ^.^
16:09<s_i_m>Entheogen, that took a long time ;)
16:10<tq|Memphis>is installing wrong packages can be harmful?
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16:10<ppikula>hey what is the difference between x64 architecture and i368 (for amd64) it is a significiant boost ?
16:11<tq|Memphis>i want to know too
16:11<s_i_m>ppikula, that depends on what apps you are going to run.
16:11<jaakko>tq|Memphis: usually no, if you get them from stable repository
16:11<s_i_m>i would say that for serious database or scientific applications 64 is a plus.
16:12<tq|Memphis>yes i'm using synaptic package downloader
16:12<jaakko>tq|Memphis: then you can install and remove, it should work.
16:12<alexho>ppikula, as long as your system, has < 4GB RAM, it makes no difference
16:12<tq|Memphis>jaakko: i want to install my graphic drivers
16:12<tq|Memphis>jaakko: ATI Radeon X1600/X1650 series
16:13<tq|Memphis>but i dont know which packages do i need
16:13<s_i_m>Entheogen, that is not an error.
16:14<alexho>ppikula, in fact for systems < 4GB i386 is preferrable because pointers are sized 8bytes on x64 and 4bytes on 386 - so binaries are somewhat smaller
16:14<Entheogen>ok i removed it with apt
16:14<Entheogen>and install it again
16:14<Entheogen>but i get message when i boot
16:14<Entheogen>Target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init
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16:15<Entheogen>No init found. Try passing init= bootarg.
16:16<ppikula>Thx next time I gonna to install i386
16:16<tq|Memphis>thank you
16:17<s_i_m>Entheogen, huh. first, do you have initramfs-tools installed?
16:17<jaakko>tq|Memphis: You should have "non-free" in your apt sources
16:17<Entheogen>but i passed --initrd to make-kpkg...
16:18<s_i_m>normally, that makes sure that an initrd image will be generated at install time.
16:19<Entheogen>well i have initrd in /boot
16:19<Entheogen>and it is in grub.conf too
16:20<s_i_m>menu.lst you mean?
16:23<s_i_m>check this thread
16:24<s_i_m>it seems to be somehow related to udev. try reinstalling it.
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16:25<Entheogen>i think it is related to initrd
16:25<s_i_m>read the thread
16:25<Entheogen>because it said no init found?
16:25<Entheogen>ok ok
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16:30<jaakko>Entheogen: if it is mounting wrong partition, then it could be no init...
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16:30<Entheogen>parition is right..
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16:31<jaakko>Entheogen: Try booting without initrd
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16:32<jaakko>Whed does that message come, is the initrd running or after "checnking initramfs..."?
16:32<s_i_m>jaakko, with an initrd kernel, without the disk driver module loaded? how?
16:32<jaakko>s_i_m: ok, if you don't have the disk driver in kernel, then you can't
16:33<jaakko>s_i_m: did'n know
16:33<Outrider>evening folk
16:33<Entheogen>just a sec
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16:36<Entheogen>i cannot boot without initrd line
16:36<Entheogen>i get kernel panic
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16:37<Entheogen>i added savedefault line and it is staying on Begin:Waiting for the root filessytem
16:38<fxiny>without initram your kernel cannot find root
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16:39<Entheogen>this is with initram
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16:40<Entheogen>i reinstalled udev
16:40<fxiny>when i've cloned my system in a LUKS partition i made the init on the "normal" system and i cp over to my /boot ext2 partition
16:40<Entheogen>and now it is staying at the "waiting for the root fs"
16:41<fxiny>of course
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16:41<Supaplex>How do I switch my arch from i686 to amd64 and reinstall packages? I have an i686 system running off an amd64 kernel (only the kernel is amd64 so far).
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16:42<s_i_m>Entheogen, reintall your compiled kernel now.
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16:43<Entheogen>well i waited for the root fs and now it says ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist...
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16:43<Entheogen>ill try that s_i_m
16:43<fxiny>this is : cd /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d ; cat > cryptroot ; target=lukspace,source=/dev/hdb2,key=none ; update-initramfs -u . et voila'
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16:44<fxiny>cloning a sysem like this is a very nice game . many things to do
16:45<s_i_m>not so many.
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16:45<fxiny>s_i_m: have you done it ?
16:46<fxiny>5 or 6 steps in all
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16:46<s_i_m>if by cloning you mean transfering a system from drive to drive with changin partitions etc, then yes.
16:47<kamaraju>Any one here is using kvirc as their IRC client? If so, do you know how to disable the join leaving messages that are cluttering up my message window?
16:47<fxiny>s_i_m: yes : partitioning is the first step
16:48<fxiny>s_i_m: deleting a partition , making three new . swap included . an ext2 and so on
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16:49<fxiny>is a nice game
16:49<s_i_m>yep yep. even having a temporal / on the swap :)
16:49<s_i_m>when you do not have a rescue CD at hands.
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16:50<tdgunes>hi there
16:50<tdgunes>ı need some help
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16:50<enouf>kamaraju: no idea, but i'm certain it's somewhere in the settings/config/prefs
16:51<fxiny>s_i_m: i started from a two partition scheme : / and home . i had to mv /boot off / to ext2
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16:51<enouf>kamaraju: dpkg -L kvirc | less .. find the /doc and read
16:51<tdgunes>I am new in ubuntu 7.10 but i keen on
16:51<Entheogen>s_i_m, i reinstalled image and same thing happens
16:51<s_i_m>no init found?
16:51<Entheogen>it hangs up on Waiting for the root fs...
16:51<avu>!tell tdgunes about ubuntu
16:52<enouf>fxiny: erm .. nice ;-)
16:52<kamaraju>enouf: I checked in all the menus. But could not find anything.
16:52<fxiny>enouf: hahahah you !
16:52<enouf>kamaraju: do next steps
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16:52<enouf>fxiny: no porbs today, only hotties in the warm weather ;-)
16:53<s_i_m>Entheogen, check if the driver for your disk controller gets into initrd image.
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16:53<Entheogen>how can i check that?
16:53<fxiny>enouf: no porbs yeahhhh : warm weather ? hotties ? no luck this side of the pond !
16:54<enouf>fxiny: what's with the /conf.d dir ? i mean i rarely see it mentioned in the various man pages and docs for mkinitramfs, update-initramfs, etc
16:54<omar>hello all
16:54<enouf>fxiny: 1st time it's warm in a long while ;-)
16:54<kamaraju>enouf: I already checked the package documentation. Now I looked in /usr/share/doc/kvirc as well. Looks like it is not possible.
16:54<enouf>fxiny: warm == 45-50 F ;-)
16:55<omar>Im having some problems, can anyone help me out?
16:55<s_i_m>Entheogen, look for initrams.conf
16:55<Entheogen>just a moment..
16:55<enouf>kamaraju: ouch - /join ##linux and ask Triffid_Hunter, or try #debian-kde on freenode
16:55<fxiny>enouf: just create a cryptroot file to tell initram where boot is
16:55<kamaraju>enouf: I tried the usual /ignore joins parts quits but that also does not work
16:55<enouf>erm both on freenode
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16:56<enouf>fxiny: yes, but why /conf.d dir? and not say, oh .. nm ;-)
16:56<omar>Does anyone have any suggestions for webcam software?
16:56<fxiny>enouf: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d , i use scrub to "sanitize" my partitions
16:56<enouf>fxiny: i've mostly concentrated on the /hooks and /modules and the .conf files
16:57<enouf>fxiny: you're a clean machine ;-)
16:57<fxiny>enouf: abiut encryption or what ?
16:57<enouf>fxiny: nah, not there yet
16:57<enouf>fxiny: just LVM stuffs, but i suck so far - but no porbs
16:58<fxiny>enouf: nahh , i used scrub cause shred can burn my hd
16:58<enouf>i could care less - i just need to do it, then i figure it out ;-)
16:58<enouf>fxiny: tried secure-delete?
16:58<fxiny>or badblocks
16:59<enouf>i heard shred overwrites like 20-25 times?
16:59<fxiny>enouf: they do too many passes and hd can burn : i have no secrets to hide
16:59<fxiny>scrub just fills up in a decent way
16:59<fxiny>and is faster
16:59<enouf>fxiny: just keep it encrypted then dban it when it's trash time - or glory hole it ;-)
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17:00<Entheogen>what line should i add to initramfs.conf?
17:00<fxiny>enouf: yeahhh !
17:00<enouf>Entheogen: i came real late here
17:00<s_i_m>what does MODULES line say?
17:01<enouf>kamaraju: funny how my old dilapidated and no longer avail ksirc client does that easily ;-)
17:01<fxiny>enouf: i want just to say : mving a system in encrypted partitions this way is much better then starting from scratch
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17:01<fxiny>enouf: and i can still mount home anytime
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17:01<enouf>grep -r MODULES /etc/initramfs-tools
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17:01<Entheogen>s_i_m, it says most
17:02<enouf>fxiny: you da man ;-)
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17:02<omar>webcam ideas anyone?
17:02<s_i_m>Entheogen, hm, this should work in _most_ cases
17:03<sisyphus>logiteck quick messenger
17:03<enouf>Entheogen: are you using a standard Debian linux-image-version pkg/kernel/initrd ?
17:03<sisyphus>it just work
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17:04<s_i_m>enouf, he has compiled his own kernel with make-kpkg --initrd bla-bla.
17:04<Entheogen>enouf, i just compiled kernel with make-kpkg
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17:04<kamaraju>enouf: Pretty much every other client has that capability. I used to use konversation and ksirc. Both of them are able to do it. But kvirc does not seem to be able to do it.
17:04<enouf>s_i_m: he did it wrong ;-)
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17:04<omar>its not a logitech camera. Its HP
17:04<s_i_m>enouf, that is very possible.
17:04<enouf>Entheogen: and you installed using dpkg -i xxxxxxxxx.deb?
17:04<fxiny>enouf: i think upgrading kernel can give some trouble cause the target root uses a key file so i bet i cannot get a fresh initram , i haven't look into it yet
17:05<Entheogen>i have amd64 arch but i compiled k7 kernel
17:05<Entheogen>i think that you should know that
17:05<enouf>fxiny: i still have no idea what the real issue is - i mean what was there prior
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17:05<enouf>that error usually means no Disk CONTROLLER support or FS supprt
17:06<fxiny>enouf: i wanted somethig better then an encrypted volume and i wanted swap encrypted including all damned tmp dir
17:06<enouf>kamaraju: yikes and double ouch - how ya liking all that web 2.0 crap now? ;-)
17:06<sisyphus>hi im new to dedian and i need some help with my broadcom bcm4306
17:07<sisyphus>any help?
17:07<enouf>javashit, ajax, all this nonsensical support for all this frameworked bloated vomit
17:07<fxiny>enouf: also i want to mout an encrypted home anytime and i can with crypsetup
17:07<enouf>fxiny: you're confusing me now .. lighten up ;-)
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17:07<enouf>fxiny: i have mr bicardi nearby
17:08<jaakko>sisyphus: Ah finally someone with same wifi as I, lol
17:08<sisyphus>yes my friend
17:08<Bert>Hi all, how long will there be updates support voor debian etch? (approx)
17:08<enouf>fxiny: my ex gf called me last night - i might meet up with her tonight ;-)
17:08<jaakko>sisyphus: aptitude install fwcutter wireless-tools
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17:08<fxiny>enouf: lime/lemon and brown sugar with bacardi ? ;)))
17:08<enouf>fxiny: long-time friends though
17:08<enouf>fxiny: bingo
17:09<enouf>mojito even
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17:09<enouf>fxiny: mr happy is feeling generous ;-)
17:09<fxiny>enouf: hahahaha
17:10<jaakko>try that first and see if the fwcutter loads a firmware for you, it will prompt
17:10<enouf>fxiny: half my brain resides there - so i must listen ;-)
17:10<sisyphus>i tried but doesnt work
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17:10<jaakko>but you have fwcutter now?
17:10<fxiny>enouf: so tonight you might do a reinstall ;)
17:10<enouf>fxiny: i'll do a touch and mount combo ;-)
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17:11<fxiny>enouf: hehehehe
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17:11<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep
17:11<jaakko>do you have the windows driver, bcm..sys? You have to get it somewhere. Have you windows with working wifi?
17:11<fxiny>enouf: :)))
17:11<enouf>fxiny: we should stop now here - my bad
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17:12<sisyphus>i have done it already but nothing seems to work
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17:12<fxiny>enouf: it's the bac&hardy ;)
17:12<enouf>hehe :-)
17:12<jaakko>sisyphus: Ok, I remember it didn't copy the files to right folder
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17:13<jaakko>sisyphus: did you get some output from it, the firmware files? Copy them..
17:13<sisyphus>m no
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17:13<sisyphus>i tried this yesterday
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17:14<sisyphus>just a minute
17:14<sisyphus>to find a sys
17:14<sisyphus>in web
17:16<jaakko>sisyphus: You should have files like this "bcm43xx_initval01.fw" in /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_
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17:17<sisyphus>ok yes yes
17:17<sisyphus>thats it
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17:17<sisyphus>many of them
17:17<jaakko>sisyphus: do you see the interface "ifconfig -a"
17:17<interbird>Anyone has experience with broadcom 43xx wifi? I tried the native stuff but could not get it to work; had to fall back on the ndiswrapper. Ughh...
17:18<jaakko>interbird: I just explained...
17:18<jaakko>scroll up
17:18<interbird>jaakko: Sorry just joined the channel; will read back.
17:18<jaakko>interbird: oh, sorry
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17:19<sisyphus>filename : bcmwl5.sys
17:19<sisyphus> version :
17:19<sisyphus> MD5 : 185a6dc6d655dc31c0b228cc94fb99ac
17:19<sisyphus> microcodes : 2 4 5
17:19<sisyphus> pcms : 4 5
17:19<sisyphus> microcode : 2
17:19<sisyphus> revision : 0x0118
17:19<sisyphus> patchlevel : 0x0017
17:19<sisyphus> date : 2004-05-06
17:19<sisyphus> time : 21:34:00
17:19<sisyphus> microcode : 4
17:19<sisyphus> revision : 0x0118
17:19<sisyphus> patchlevel : 0x0017
17:19<sisyphus> date : 2004-05-06
17:19<sisyphus> time : 21:34:00
17:19<sisyphus> microcode : 5
17:19<sisyphus> revision : 0x0118
17:19<sisyphus> patchlevel : 0x0017
17:19<sisyphus> date : 2004-05-06
17:19<sisyphus> time : 21:34:00
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_microcode2.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_microcode4.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_microcode5.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_pcm4.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_pcm5.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_initval01.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_initval02.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_initval03.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_initval04.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_initval05.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_initval06.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_initval07.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_initval08.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_initval09.fw ...
17:19<sisyphus>extracting bcm43xx_initval10.fw ...
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17:20<gl_mania>hi there
17:21<gl_mania>linux user?
17:21<petemc>sisyphus: dont paste in the channel
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17:22<seba>i have a "problem", i want to connect to internet with my pc via another one that has 2 ethernet cards
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17:22<gl_mania>i cant help u with that
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17:22<sisyphus>ok sorry
17:22<sisyphus> i m realy sorry
17:23<interbird>jakko: Can I ask you; did you ever get the native bcm43xx driver working ?
17:23<seba>no problem
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17:23<jaakko>interbird: yes, I am using it right now
17:23<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
17:23<interbird>jakko: On a laptop?
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17:23<jaakko>interbird:yes, and just told to sisyphus how to do it
17:24<jaakko>interbird: aptitude install fwcutter wireless-tools
17:24<gl_mania>no one ever tried multi gpu programming ?
17:24<sisyphus>jakko i try on it over a week
17:24<gl_mania>no matter if it's crossed or not
17:24<sisyphus> im ready togive up
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17:25<interbird>jakko: Yes I know that part... I was able to carve-out several firware-versions from serveral doze-drivers (.sys)...
17:25<jaakko>sisyphus: you got the files, did you copy them to /lib/firmware?
17:25<interbird>jakko: I could see the wireless networks, but DHCP did not work...
17:25<sisyphus>jaako it say that there is no such file
17:25<jaakko>interbird: how did you try to configure it?
17:26<jaakko>Gnome and network-manager?
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17:27<sisyphus>and netinst
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17:27<gl_mania>btw does anyone know how to manage dhcp
17:27<sisyphus>wean i try to network manager
17:27<jaakko>interbird: are you sure you had the native driver, not ndiswrapper at that time?
17:27<sisyphus>it show off
17:27<jaakko>sisyphus: no! Write config to /etc/network/interfaces
17:28<interbird>jakko: Some gtk-tool, but I also checked manually; Seems on the laptop I tried the formware got loaded, the blue light came on, I could see wifi-networks but I could not connect because no dyn-ip could be assigned. I tried several firmware versions tono avail...
17:28<interbird>jaakko: Yes, I'm sure about that.
17:28<gl_mania>mean what script to launch to automate it
17:28<interbird>jaakko: Checked with lsmod etc
17:29<jaakko>interbird: Ok, if the light is on, my card is off then. It should only blink.
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17:29<jaakko>interbird: but I don't know, if you can scan anyway
17:29<interbird>jaakko: Problem was, it could scan but it could not receive dhcp...
17:30<gl_mania>any opengl programmer here ?
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17:30<jaakko>interbird: my laptop card: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN
17:30<jaakko>interbird: did you configure it?
17:31<seba>gl_mania: there are some irc channels about opengl, maybe there you will find more gl fans ;)
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17:33<jaakko>interbird: write this lines to /etc/network/interfaces iface eth1 inet dhcp\n wireless-ap any\nwireless-rate auto\nwireless-essid MyWlanAP\
17:33<interbird>jaakko: Used fwcutter to extract firmware from doze-sys; placed firmware in right place; it gets loaded otherwise it would not be able to scan. The moment the native bcm43xx driver loaded the blue light on the wifi-button goes on; so I assume the firmware is loaded ok, also because scanning works. But connecting it hangs on receiving ip-address.
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17:34<interbird>jaakko: That is all there; it's the dhcp part that does not work.
17:34<jaakko>interbird: Then you have different led/card/driver than I. My led is on, if the card is off.
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17:36<interbird>jaakko: That makes sense :-) It was not my laptop but a one I installed for a friend. I think it was a BCM4305. Kernel 2.6.22. Will check the line you gave but I googled and there were more messages about this dhcp-stuff not working...
17:37<sisyphus>sorry dut iam new to linux how can i config the /etc/network/interface?
17:37<Supaplex>sisyphus: man interfaces
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17:37<jaakko>sisyphus: nano /etc/network/interfaces, but take a backup first if you need internet...
17:38<sisyphus>i did it
17:38<jaakko>sisyphus: that "\n" was meaning a linefeed, don't type it
17:39<sisyphus>what now
17:39<interbird>jaakko: Thanks for your reply; maybe the new wifi-stack in .24 will sove some of this probs. Until then ndiswrapper does the trick; however dirty it is.
17:41<jaakko>sisyphus: iwlist scanning
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17:42<jaakko>I have to go for a while, I'll be back..
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17:43<sisyphus>it say s interface does not support scannig
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17:44<interbird>sisyphus: jaakko has gone; give me a few secs to read back, maybe i can help further.
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17:47<interbird>sisyphus: Ok, you are trying to use ndiswrapper for a broadcom wifi card ?
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17:48<sisyphus>i try as it says in
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17:48<sisyphus>debian wiki
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17:49<Spee_Der>Howdy folks.....
17:50<Spee_Der>Finally got this thing working in IPv6 again.... Phew....
17:50<interbird>sisyphus: The debian wiki is quite large; I'm not going to read it for you. Are you trying the native way or the ndiswrapper way ?
17:50<sisyphus>native way
17:51<sisyphus>but i thing it doessn t work for 4306
17:52<sisyphus>any hand?
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17:53<interbird>sisyphus: I think you have the wrong firmware; One moment...
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17:53<sisyphus>thanks for your time
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18:00<interbird>sisyphus: can you tell me the exact size of the bcmwl5.sys driver you used to extract the firmware using fwcutter ?
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18:01<sisyphus>334,9 kb
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18:03<SuperMiguel>hello, i have all day trying to get my wireless card working
18:03<SuperMiguel>found in few websites that i can make it work by putting apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
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18:04<SuperMiguel>when i put that its says couldnt found
18:04<SuperMiguel>what can i do?
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18:06<SuperMiguel>any help?
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18:09<interbird>sisyphus: The driver I used is 286848 bytes in size and of date dec 4 2003. This one worked for me with ndiswrapper. But I could not get the native driver to work; with any firmware version I tried. This was on a BCM4305 as I remember. Suggestion: google-up some older bcmwl5.sys drivers, extract the firmware, place it and try again. Be sure to unload and reload the bcm43xx driver on each try. (man modprobe)
18:10<sisyphus>ok thanks for your time
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18:10<sisyphus>i ll try again
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18:12<interbird>SuperMiguel: You could start by saying what wifi-card you have? I heven't got all day you know :-)
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20:31<shamess>How'd I make my ~/.bash_profile file work?
20:31<xb3rt>whats a common app to manage an ipod
20:32<shamess>It doesn't seem to be running (my ~/bin/ isn't being added to the path)
20:32<xb3rt>on ubuntu 7.10 gutsy
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20:32<abach>xb3rt: gtkpod works
20:36<kop>shamess : Are you "export PATH" ing it?
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20:36<kop>!tell xb3rt -about ubuntu
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20:37<shamess>kop, nope, I guess I should be?
20:37<shamess>Where do I put that?
20:37<kop>shamess : Yup. (anywhere) Or else it won't make it to the environment of any processes run by bash.
20:38<xb3rt>abach: is their a repository for that
20:38<kop>shamess : The environment's local unless you export.
20:39<shamess>Right, thanks :)
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20:39<abach>xb3rt: I guess you have to add universe or multiverse in ubuntu
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20:39<Freddo>xb3rt: I'm still trying to manage my iPod on Linuxi. See this:
20:40<abach>xb3rt: don't know too much about that really
20:40<kop>shamess : Read man man and man less so you know how to search in man, then read the ENVIRONMENT section of man bash.
20:40<shamess>Will do, thanks.
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20:42<kop>shamess : Learning how to read the docs with man and info are essential reference skills. Then you can search for and read just what you need. There's probably a way to do it in a gui, but I don't know what it is and gui's constantly change because no one knows how to do a really good one yet. I prefer learning something once that will stay useful.
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20:43<shamess>I probably should have looked it up in the manual, but I figured here would be quicker. Also, I only use Debian for server stuff, so I just use CLI.
20:45<kop>shamess : Then learn apt, the package manager (aptitude apt-cache, etc.) and you'll be able to search stuff not installed as well as research what's installed. Then your basic reference skills are solid. (Yeah, man bash is huge. Eventually it's all worth a read, and until you do it can be hard to know the overview.)
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21:06<_ZeuZ_>Anybody up to give a view on my TC rules before I deploy them?
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21:22<oscar>Hi, I tried to make a combo with streamtuner and rhythmbox, but rhythmbox that is without doing anything, it works without problem with xmms
21:23<oscar>I Sid amd64
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21:24<oscar>(rhythmbox:6053): Gtk-WARNING **: Refusing to add non-unique action 'AutoPlaylistSearchArtists' to action group 'AutoPlaylistActions'
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21:26<oscar>Excuse my English is very bad, I am Spanish
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21:28<_ZeuZ_>oscar: yo tambien xD
21:28<_ZeuZ_>no te entendi que querias hacer...
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21:29<oscar>veras me explico
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21:29<_ZeuZ_>espera, vamos a #debian-es que estamos violando las reglas...
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22:16<_ZeuZ_>Guys, in the Kernel Configuration, what does the High Resolution Timer Support do ? Or what is it meant to do?
22:17<_ZeuZ_>and what about the TIMER FREQUENCY?
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22:20<dvillecco>anyone can help me?
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22:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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22:23<dvillecco>I have a box with Debian, running postgres, I do last and it shows a postgres crash, since that moment, user root cannot log in, it simply says Authentication failure, as if the pass was changed, same thing with the postgres user
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22:25<dvillecco>I can login ssh by using a simple user, such user did have permissions to change some files, now, that user cant even change something in its very own home dir
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22:26<dvillecco>any idea?
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22:29<user01>i had epiphany uninstalled and i just did a lenny update and it apparently installed epiphany and it is broken and replaced it over iceweasel for default browser . . . and it doesnt work . . . how do i fix it?
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22:36<mysupper>I installed mysql-server 5.0 using 'apt-get install mysql-server-5.0" and running. Now, I want to install source package. I will do this by " apt-get source mysql-server-5.0 && apt-get build-dep mysql-server-5.0 && apt-get -b source mysql-server-.50 && apt-get remove mysql-server-5.0". Is this method appropriate?
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22:38<Freddo>user01: install gnome-control-center. Then run gnome-default-applications-properties
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22:48<user01>Freddo, thanks im going to restartx and see if that helps still not doing urls in xchat
22:48<panagos>mysupper: i believe apt-get -b source mysql-server-5.0 is enough, then you get the generated .deb file in the current dir and install it via dpkg -i
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22:50<user01>Freddo, good wrks again thanks
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23:02<sime>any idea why when I start Limewire I need to set it all the times?
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23:08<chealer>sime: ask whatever distributes it
23:09<sime>chealer, ok
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23:11<_ZeuZ_>Guys, How can it be that I just removed one or two things from my before kernel compilation (from the same source code) and added one, and it's taking time like to recompile all instead of just the affected?
23:12<veeto11>i can answer that question
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23:13<RawR>kew kew kuh choo
23:14<veeto11>300 people
23:14<veeto11>pretty quiet
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23:15<RawR>who here, would kill an animal???
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23:16<RawR>thats good
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23:16<RawR>animals are annoying
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23:18<_ZeuZ_>veeto11: answuer me then xD
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23:19<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable:, prepatch: 2.6.25-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.25-rc5-git5, 2.4:, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-rc5-mm1
23:19<_ZeuZ_>no channel for the kernel here? damn.,..
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23:19<RawR>why the undersocres
23:20<_ZeuZ_>Because I forgot the password of my other user? xD neh, I just like it that way...
23:20-!-_ZeuZ_ is now known as ZeuZ
23:20<ZeuZ>Or do you preffer me this way? xD
23:20<ZeuZ>both nicknames are registered to me
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23:21<_ZeuZ_>veeto11: Weren't you going to tell me the reason?
23:21<veeto11>nah i lied
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23:22<RawR>zeuz sounds queer
23:22<_ZeuZ_>Anybody knows how to make a bcm43xx card work with a 2.6.24.X kernel?
23:22-!-cogwheel [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:23<_ZeuZ_>Then don't reply? ¬¬
23:23<RawR>i was right
23:23<RawR>noone replied
23:23<RawR>noone knows
23:23<RawR>or cares
23:23<_ZeuZ_>I'm a noob, but you are way noober
23:23<gsimmons>_ZeuZ_: The bcm43xx driver is deprecated from 2.6.24 onwards. Best to use b43legacy instead.
23:23<gsimmons>!tell _ZeuZ_ -about b43legacy
23:23<_ZeuZ_>tried allready
23:23<RawR>zeuz has problems
23:24<_ZeuZ_>can some OP kick this annoying character?
23:24<RawR>your annoying
23:24<_ZeuZ_>RawR: Let's see if you're so though... Do you have an email account?
23:24<veeto11>can some OP not?
23:24<RawR>yes i do
23:24<_ZeuZ_>two trolls
23:25<_ZeuZ_>Either way, gsimmons, I heard about a patch...
23:25<RawR>there is no patch
23:25<_ZeuZ_>I have no rush, either way it's from a client that does not even use it
23:25<gsimmons>_ZeuZ_: What Broadcom wireless chipset do you have?
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23:25<_ZeuZ_>tus, the patch I've seen is here:
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23:28<_ZeuZ_>gsimmons: Also, do you know what's the Timer Resource thing on the kernel that let's you choose in between frequencies?
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23:31<RawR>im legend
23:31<chealer>!ops debhelper on vacation
23:31<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: chealer complains about: debhelper on vacation
23:31<_ZeuZ_>IP ban for that fucker?
23:31<_ZeuZ_>You idiot, I´ll just do /ignore
23:32<_ZeuZ_>jeje... ahora a este idiota se va a cagar spammeando y no lo voy a leer.
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23:32<_ZeuZ_>RawR: Idiot, I'm not reading you
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23:32<_ZeuZ_>how do we leave a message to the OPs to ban that dick?
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23:33-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
23:33<_ZeuZ_>Finally, kernel is compiled into the deb to install it!
23:33-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@*] by dondelelcaro
23:33-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
23:34<_ZeuZ_>dondelelcaro: Thanks... Really appreciated...
23:34<p_quarles>AOL, no kidding . . .
23:34<chealer>_ZeuZ_: "!ops ban RawR", but you don't need to define the action, just the problem
23:35<_ZeuZ_>chealer! heya! so long time no see...
23:35<_ZeuZ_>thanks, will keep that in mind...
23:36<mentor>Try to keep the insults at the spammers to a minimum; it helps no-one, least of all yourselves.
23:37<_ZeuZ_>mentor: yeah, sorry... it's just that the attitude he had took me over my nerves... I know, it's no excuse...
23:37<mentor>_ZeuZ_: Getting wound up yourself is just the reaction the spammer is trying to achieve... so...
23:38<_ZeuZ_>hehe... I wish he had an email account... denial of service to that account from a 24/7/365 will make him reconsider...
23:38<_ZeuZ_>I know, revenge is not the way :P
23:38<_ZeuZ_>but it's so sweet...
23:38<mentor>Always forgive your enemies, nothing annoys them more.
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23:39*chealer checks if that's a quote
23:39<_ZeuZ_>lol, haven't thought of that that way...
23:39<_ZeuZ_>Well, let's get back on track shall we? I was commenting the problem I have with a bcm43xx based card
23:39<_ZeuZ_>the new driver b43 does not work... nor does bcm43xx
23:39<_ZeuZ_>there's a patch, but I do not know if it's safe...
23:39<dli>maybe, it's a bcm43 card
23:39<chealer>"Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them more." Oscar Wilde
23:40<dli>s/it's/it's not"
23:40<_ZeuZ_>tried it too dli
23:40<_ZeuZ_>come again?
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23:40<_ZeuZ_>yes, it is... because it was working on 2.6.23 with bcm43xx module and driver...
23:40<dli>_ZeuZ_, try scanpci, verify the device model
23:41<_ZeuZ_>do I need to install it?
23:41<gsimmons>_ZeuZ_: Are you using the b44 driver? The patch only exists to resolve a conflict between it and bcm43xx, it's pointless to apply if you don't have a 44xx/47xx Ethernet chipset.
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23:42<_ZeuZ_>I'm using the b43 legacy ones now, and they don't work...
23:42<gsimmons>!doesn't work
23:42<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
23:42<_ZeuZ_>neither the previous ones... (bcm43xx)
23:42<dli>_ZeuZ_, then, it's a driver problem
23:43<_ZeuZ_>but what driver do I need to use? xD
23:43<gsimmons>!which b43
23:43<dpkg>From the b43 page: "b43legacy should be used on all 4301 and 4303 cards. 4306 and 4309 cards with a MAC core revision of 4 or less should also use b43legacy. b43 should be used on all other cards."
23:43<mentor>Ah dpkg, how I live you.
23:43<gsimmons>_ZeuZ_: Although the kernel autoloader is "smart enough" to determine which driver you need and will load the appropriate one automatically.
23:43<dli>_ZeuZ_, since you have located it to the driver side, you need the newest upstream
23:43<dli>_ZeuZ_, try,
23:44<dli>_ZeuZ_, you can build it with the newest vanilla 2.6.24
23:45<_ZeuZ_>vanilla? ain't that gentoo?
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23:46<dli>_ZeuZ_, I think it won't build with 2.6.18 in etch
23:46<_ZeuZ_>Either way I'm using Lenny/SID
23:46<dpkg>the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>
23:47<mentor>bad factoid
23:47<_ZeuZ_>I thought I upgraded
23:47<_ZeuZ_>but no, just lenny
23:47<_ZeuZ_>weird, I thought this client asked me for SID
23:48<_ZeuZ_>Well, either ways... let's go on
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23:52<mysupper>I installed mysql-server 5.0 using 'apt-get install mysql-server-5.0" and running. Now, I want to install source package. I will do this by " apt-get source mysql-server-5.0 && apt-get build-dep mysql-server-5.0 && apt-get -b source mysql-server-.50 && apt-get remove mysql-server-5.0". Is this method appropriate?
23:52<dondelelcaro>mysupper: you don't remove the source package that way.
23:52<dondelelcaro>mysupper: and you also don't need to run source before -b source
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23:53<mysupper>I guess -b will be needed to resolve dependency problems.
23:53<dondelelcaro>no, it won't.
23:53<dondelelcaro>-b is about building a source package; doesn't really have anything to do with dependencies
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23:55<mysupper>now I finished building job.
23:56<mysupper>At th building dirctory, I got..
23:56<mysupper>ls |grep mysql
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23:56<dondelelcaro>mysupper: why exactly are you building mysql?
23:57<mysupper>I heard the performance builded is better 10-30% than binary's.
23:57<mysupper>So I want to do source building.
23:57<dondelelcaro>uh... no
23:57<dondelelcaro>whoever is telling you that knows not what they speak of
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23:58<mysupper>Then, you assure the performance can't be higher .
23:58<dondelelcaro>plus, there's nothing magical about the binaries that you've just built that makes them faster than the binaries built in the same manner on a buildd.
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23:59<mysupper>Oh..then the performance upgrading by building and installing mysql source is just rumor?
23:59<dondelelcaro>if you use the exactly correct options to the compiler for all of the libraries and all of the applications used, you may see a speed increase, but that generally means weeks or months of benchmarking to test and retest.
23:59<dondelelcaro>mysupper: in the way you're doing it, yes.
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