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00:00<dondelelcaro>it's just a total and utter waste of time
00:00<mysupper>I got it.
00:00<mysupper>Then I should sustain current system and think about upgrading hardware.
00:00<dondelelcaro>most time spent doing "optimization" using compiler options is better spent optimizing algorithms and design instead
00:00<dondelelcaro>mysupper: or better, figure out where your bottlenecks actually are, and address them
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00:01<mysupper>I will quit this building and installing job.
00:01<mentor>Or, indeed, removing unnecessary work
00:02<_ZeuZ_>where are modules for kernels held? /lib and what more guys?
00:02<mysupper>I don't have anything unnecessary except apm and sshd and snmpd.
00:02<mysupper>I installed just those.
00:02<dondelelcaro>_ZeuZ_: anywhere you put them
00:02<_ZeuZ_>lol xD
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00:02<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*)
00:03<mentor>Should be a DAG
00:03*mentor lets a little tear escape from his eye
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00:04<dondelelcaro>mysupper: what's installed doesn't really matter as much as what is running, but you'll figure that out.
00:05<mysupper>yes I know. ps aux or pstree will show those.
00:06<mysupper>I was just curious abouting perfomance improvement by building deb-src and installing that.
00:06<_ZeuZ_>I need to remove compleately an old kernel, how do I do that
00:06<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / kernel compile?
00:07<chealer>mentor: what's a DAG?
00:07<_ZeuZ_>mysupper: Actually, I recompiled a kernel and I need to remove it compleately, then install it fresh...
00:08<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / install kernel at your choice.
00:08<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / using stable version?
00:08<_ZeuZ_>The thing goes this way:
00:09<_ZeuZ_>I'm using 2.6.23 because of some incompatibilities
00:09<_ZeuZ_>and I want to remove the previously installed to install the recompiled version with wich it should work
00:10<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / mean you already have 2.6.23 kernel builded. right?
00:11<_ZeuZ_>I don't need to remove the 2.6.23 but the that is also allready installed.
00:12<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / just install 2.6.23 kernel and system will run by that kernel. if you messed up with kernel modules move old kernel modules like mv /lib/modules/2.6.18 /lib/modules/2.6.18_old
00:13<mentor>chealer: Directed Acyclic Graph
00:13<_ZeuZ_>I want to fully remove the KERNEL WITH IT'S MODULES AND ALL. and then reinstall it from what I've compiled, leave my precious 2.6.23 in peace! x'DDD
00:15<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / ok..
00:15<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / you have the kernel image of 2.6.23 now. and you want to install . right?
00:16<_ZeuZ_>It's installed, I want to remove it.
00:18<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / then mv /lib/modules/ /lib/modules/ and install 2.6.23 kernel image. that will do it.
00:18<_ZeuZ_>read what you just wrote, leave 2.6.23 in peace xD
00:19<_ZeuZ_>I've tried to do that... It keeps complaining that the modules are allready there... THat's why I want to remove it compleately
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00:23<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / If I were you , I will start check /usr/src and start kener compile again with debian way.
00:23<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / For me, I have linux-image-2.6.18_custom.1.1_i386.deb and I can install this kernel at any time.
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00:24<mysupper>_ZeuZ_ / you sure have that kind of kernel image in your /usr/src dirctory.
00:24<_ZeuZ_>yes sir.
00:24<_ZeuZ_>nvm, I found a workaround
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00:49<keith>Debian 4.0. I am trying to network my computers. They are connected now (by the ping test) but "ftp" gives a "connection refused " message. Which file(s) do I have to modify?
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00:51<Nemoder>which ftp server are you running?
00:52<keith>Nemoder: I do not know. It came with the distro.
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00:53<Nemoder>debian has many ftp server packages
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00:59<keith>Nemoder: How do I find out which?
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00:59<Nemoder>you can look at the list of running processes and search backwards from that
00:59<Nemoder>ps -A | grep ftp
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01:01<Nemoder>are you sure you have an ftp server installed? I don't think tastksel installs one for you
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01:01<mysupper>Mar 16 14:01:04 note kernel: Connection attempt (PRIV): IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:06:5b:b7:11:4b:00:13:10:32:64:e2:08:00 SRC= DST= LEN=60 TOS=0x10 PREC=0x00 TTL=44 ID=43388 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=55615 DPT=113 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
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01:03<keith>Nemoder: It is installed because it goes to the ftp prompt after giving the "connection refused message".
01:03<mysupper>, Location: St Louis, MO, UNITED STATES...this is ridiculous.
01:04<Nemoder>keith: I think you are confused, running "ftp" is simply a command line client
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01:05<Nemoder>keith: apt-get install proftpd (or another server) and read the documentation on how to properly configure it
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01:07<keith>Nemoder: I definetely am confused. I'll install proftpd.
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01:14<ooJerry>why I can choose the text encoding in kmldonkey
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01:57<kharn>question: I have just fdisk'd and mkfs'd a couple of (previously) ntfs drives ... and all seems to have gone fine .,.. however .. when i use "fdisk -l" they are showing up as ntfs still ... however in cfdisk they show up properly .... ne ideas on where I went wrong!?
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01:59<jhernandez>this page is crashing my konqueror (also iceweasel):
02:00<jhernandez>someone else can confirm if it's only me?
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02:01<Nemoder>works here
02:01<Kampftermite>hi.. which modprobe / modules file is needed to be edited (debian 4.0rc3) for hotplug event of a pci device (like options usbserial vendor=0xaf0 product=0x7001 for my 3G card) ?
02:01<Nemoder>but I have flashblock installed
02:02<jhernandez>hmm, I don't have flashblock installed
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02:05<modnar>hey guys this one is kind of a wierd situation
02:07<modnar>i have installed debian and i don't have a wired connection but i need to get wireless drivers i've downloaded all the needed packages but i can't install one because it needs linux-image-2.6.18 but the only one i can get from the package web site is the new security updated one i would really like to get the old file so i can install the packages that require it and won't use the new one
02:07<gsimmons>Kampftermite: Just create a new file (eg. /etc/modprobe.d/my3gcard) with your necessary "options usbserial ..." line within. See also man modprobe.conf.
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02:14<martin_>wow there used to be 600-700 people in here before ubuntu got so popular
02:15<p_quarles>martin_: Konversation is telling me that that's more than are allowed in this channel ;)
02:16<martin_>ah is it lol well i meant a lot more then now :P
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02:23<martin_>would the envy script work on debian also ?
02:25<modnar>does any one know where i would get linux-image-2.6.18-686.deb?
02:27<p_quarles>martin_: no idea, but it might; if I were you, I'd just take a look at what it does and try to grab what you need from it
02:27<p_quarles>modnar: from the debian packages page? that's the current kernel for stable
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02:30<chealer>modnar: there's no such file. which package are you looking for?
02:31<chealer>p_quarles: debhelper sets the channel limit just to avoid a flood attack from multiple bots
02:31<chealer>p_quarles: it's changed regularly
02:32<p_quarles>chealer: that makes sense; I noticed after I said that the limit was different from last time I noticed it
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02:35<modnar>yeah i'm looking for
02:35<modnar>but before the security patch
02:37<chealer>modnar: which wireless driver do you want to use?
02:39<user2139412>Hi, I'm having troubles getting dual monitors working. Even though righty--a monitor identical to lefty--is there, nothing seems to detect it.
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02:41<user2139412>they're both thinkvision c190s, btw.
02:41<chealer>modnar: which package(s) specific to linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 do you have?
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02:47<modnar>sorry chealer i'm a dolt i misread it
02:47<modnar>it needed linux-modules not image
02:49<modnar>now i can't find that though
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02:51<p_quarles>modnar: are you look for ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-686?
02:52<modnar>no i'm trying to install that and it requires linux-modules-2.6.18-6-686
02:52<p_quarles>there's no such thing, as far as I can tell -- it's not in Etch's repos
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02:53<modnar>yeah when i try and install ipw3945-modules i get a complaint saying linux-modules-2.6.18-6-686 isn't installed but needs to be
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02:55<p_quarles>modnar: well, I've just scoured the Etch and Lenny repos, and nothing coming close that name exists -- are all your packages up to date?
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02:58<martin_>ok i just installed th fglrx packages how do i find out if x is using it instead of glx
02:59<modnar>thats the error report i get
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03:01<modnar>what is a 'virtual package'?
03:01<p_quarles>modnar: any reason you're not using apt? apt-get -f install could find what it's looking for
03:02<modnar>yes haha odd situation only internet at a house i'm sitting for is wifi
03:03<modnar>they have to have the router in the roof
03:03<chealer>!tell modnar about virtual package
03:03<modnar>i think i figured it out
03:03<p_quarles>so the eth port is useless then I guess; well, maybe it's looking for the xen modules; not an area I'm terribly familiar with
03:03<modnar>linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2_i386.debi think its looking for
03:04<modnar>flip those two
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03:06<k-man>how can i set up windows+key shortcuts in gnome?
03:06<modnar>yeah i just got it thanks p_quarles
03:06<k-man>when i try and assign one, it just gets called Supr L or R and doesn't get the combined key with it
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04:10<valdyn>!virtual package
04:10<dpkg>rumour has it, virtual package is a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use $ apt-cache showpkg foo;
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04:24<grelle>I'm running LVM over 5 disks and recently got an I/O Error. I unmounted it to do xfs_check, but xfs_check told me to mount it and replay the log. But mount returns: 'can't read superblock'. I tried xfs_repair -n and it returns: 'superblock read failed, offset 1500310929408, size 2048, ag 48, rval -1'
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04:25<grelle>Is it safe to do xfs_repair -L? Can I treat a logical volume as a normal xfs file system, or do I have to use some other tool to check/repair it?
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04:28<grelle>nobody find this problem challanging?
04:28<grelle>am I in the wrong channel for this perhaps?
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04:31<grelle>if anyone's listening. xfs_repair -nL returned the same error...
04:31<hw>i'm listening but i can't help you :/
04:32<blunted>yeah me 2
04:32<blunted>me an hw rock
04:32<hw>haha wtf !
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04:35<amphi>hw: what error?
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04:35<amphi>hw: er, misfire, sorry
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04:43<grelle>well...a reboot resolved my problem. I reeeally need to get new raid-controllers, i think. =)
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05:13<s_i_m>does anybody know what is better for numeric calculations on an Athlon XP: atlas libraries build with 3dnow or sse support?
05:14<valdyn>grelle: in specific configurations sata disks will just lock up occasionally. This doesnt need to be a controller failure
05:14<valdyn>grelle: or at least i think its not figured out completely
05:15<grelle>valdyn: is it possible to fix it without a reboot if it happens again?
05:16<valdyn>grelle: i dont know your real issue, that would be in dmesg
05:16<valdyn>grelle: once the disk is locked in specific way, you cant reset it
05:17<valdyn>grelle: ( maybe you could hotplug it but since you are not in a raid but this funny 5 disk lvm, you cant do that anyway )
05:18<grelle>valdyn: can I get the log from the last boot? I remember that I got I/O error 0x40000 and that xfs couldn't repair the filesystem when I mounted it again. and the superblock failed issue
05:18<valdyn>grelle: for instance: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 540741 \ sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK
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05:18<valdyn>grelle: while my disk is perfectly fine, and a reboot will let it work perfectly again
05:19<grelle>valdyn: Yes, I'm going to setup RAID5 later, it's just that I've got too much data to do that now
05:19<valdyn>grelle: the log is there unless the log partition was affected
05:19<grelle>valdyn: that's the same error I got
05:19<valdyn>grelle: /var/log/kern.log*
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05:19<valdyn>grelle: thats the same error you would be on a physically disconnected disk
05:20<valdyn>grelle: while in fact its just some kind of firmware / driver malfunctioning on kernel / controller or disk
05:21<valdyn>grelle: which disk and controller is this btw?
05:21<grelle>valdyn: well, I also got tons of 'I/O error, dev sdd, sector 653453775' on various sectors
05:21<valdyn>grelle: you, you get that for any sectore you try to access
05:21<grelle>I'm not sure which disk it is because of LVM =)
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05:22<valdyn>grelle: nah, the log has the disk
05:22<valdyn>grelle: me error I got
05:22<valdyn>grelle: ops
05:22<valdyn>grelle: sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Result:
05:22<grelle>valdyn: but it's a Samsung 501LJ and two different SiI sata controller
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05:23<grelle>valdyn: yes, of's sda in that case. didn't read the error right. =)
05:23<grelle>valdyn: Same disks anyways
05:23<valdyn>grelle: i believe its broken samsung firmware, but i dont really know
05:24<valdyn>grelle: however i get the error only on the marvell controller, not ahci
05:25<valdyn>grelle: and _always_ only on sdb, not sda, which is the last disk on that controller
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05:25<riganta>hi, what would be the meaning of the option "relayhost" in file of postfix ? I know that might sound like a stupid question but I am having a hard time understanding the purpose of that option !!
05:26<grelle>valdyn: I did get hundreds of those errors on different sectors, but it works fine now...
05:26<valdyn>grelle: sure, yourd get thousands over time, since the whole disk is offline
05:26<grelle>valdyn: yes, I got these errors on sdd, which is the last one. I said sda earlier, but that was wrong
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05:27<valdyn>grelle: very nice, now we need just someone to fix the driver
05:27<grelle>valdyn: hehe, that would be great. =)
05:27<valdyn>grelle: can you collect your error messages and post on a paste site?
05:28<valdyn>grelle: + kernel version and driver and disk ( thats sata_sil i guess )
05:28<grelle>valdyn: Sure, if I can find them. because the kernel logs seams to be full of sector errors
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05:29<valdyn>grelle: i might write a mail to lkml, see if they can figure something since im not the only one affected
05:30<valdyn>grelle: ata4.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen is the first error
05:30<valdyn>grelle: ata4: reset failed, giving up indicates driver is giving up to reset the disk
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05:32<grelle>valdyn: I don't have anything "interesting" in my logs. only SCSI error and I/O error and occasional XFS metadata write errors
05:32<franklin>How to be notified, by emails, when new updates are available for a machine ? (I fount apt-cron too verbose) ?
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05:34<grelle>valdyn: in the kernel logs that is. Is it possible to filter out everything except those lines with grep? it's too much to go through otherwise
05:34<valdyn>grelle: oh its not sata but scsi?
05:34<grelle>valdyn: It's sata. not sure why they are handled as scsi...
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05:36<grelle>valdyn: I don't think that's incorrect though...just some generic message or something. =)
05:37<valdyn>grelle: yea
05:37<valdyn>grelle: cant really grep for all lines, as some messages dont have ataX.00
05:37<grelle>valdyn: Your error messages are much prettier than mine. I get the error code 0x40000 instead of DID_BAD_TARGET that you get
05:37<valdyn>grelle: but /var/log/kern.log* shouldnt really have that much stuff
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05:38<grelle>valdyn: well, kernel.log is 8MB large, and kernel.log.0 is 18. =)
05:39<grelle>valdyn: The server has been trying to write data all night...more than 12 hours before I detected the error
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05:40<valdyn>grelle: ok, try the inverse, grep -v sector ( or whatever those errors look like )
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05:40<valdyn>grelle: like "end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 312576574" i guess
05:40<valdyn>grelle: grep -v end_request
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05:41<grelle>valdyn: that works fine. but I also have to remove "SCSI error: return code"
05:42<grelle>valdyn: so reg exp I guess...with 'end_request | SCSI error' ?
05:43<gsimmons>riganta: man 5 postconf
05:43<valdyn>grelle: no idea, grep -v end_request /var/log/kern.log | grep -v "SCSI error" > cleanlog
05:44<grelle>valdyn: ahh, that's one way =)
05:45<dpkg>one warez list being sent to aileselassie
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05:47<grelle>valdyn: here we go....ata4.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0xff SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
05:47<alaya>egrep -v '(one|two|three)'
05:48<grelle>alaya: thanks!
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05:55<dpkg>one warez list being sent to s_i_m
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05:56<lieve>hi, I'm trying to get a Linksys WPC54G wireless adapter to work. I've installed the Windows driver in ndiswrapper, and ndiswrapper -l says that the device is present. lspci find the device and everything, but it just doesn't show up in ifconfig. The only interfaces I can see in ifconfig are eth0 and lo
05:56<lieve>any ideas?
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06:00<s_i_m>lieve, what does "ifconfig -a" say?
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06:00<s_i_m>have you tried it with this option?
06:00<lieve>s_i_m, aha, ifconfig -a show an eth1 interface
06:01<s_i_m>good. by default ifconfig shows only active interfaces.
06:01<s_i_m>that is not your interface
06:01<lieve>oh ok, do you know how I can make eth1 active?
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06:02<s_i_m>interfaces are up or down by ifup/ifdown
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06:05<lieve>hmz, if I try ifup eth1, this gets outputted: Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.
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06:05<gsimmons>lieve: You'll need to define your interface in /etc/network/interfaces prior to using ifup.
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06:06<mysupper>did you install wireless-tools package?
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06:06<mysupper>if then, iwconfig will help you out.
06:06<lieve>mysupper, not yet
06:06<mysupper>Surely, before that , you must confirmed your kernel settings.
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06:07<mysupper>apt-get -s install wilreless-tools && iwconfig
06:07<mysupper>do that .
06:07<grelle>valdyn: allright, I've got a rather large, but clean log of the disk activity from the boot to the first errors.
06:08<grelle>anybody know a good paste site?
06:08<gsimmons>lieve: See also /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for /etc/network/interfaces configuration examples.
06:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
06:09<grelle>ahh...the BOT is handy. =)
06:09<lieve>mysupper iwconfig gives output for eth1, looks good
06:09<lieve>gsimmons, I just used the dhcp configuration for eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces
06:09<lieve>auto eth1
06:09<lieve>iface eth1 inet dhcp
06:10<lieve>however, when I try iwlist eth1 scanning
06:11<lieve>it says eth1 doesn't support scanning
06:11<lieve>but iwconfig says eth1 is in fact a wireless interface
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06:11<lieve>eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ...
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06:13<blarson>lieve: not all wireless drivers support scanning
06:13<blarson>lieve: sometimes it depends on the firmware
06:13<lieve>blarson, ok
06:14<lieve>now my wireless router has wpa encryption
06:15<lieve>I guess I need to cinfigure wpa-supplicant?
06:15<gsimmons>lieve: That's right.
06:15<dpkg>from memory, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired.
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06:19<deepak>can any one tell me any solution about sound problem in acer travelmate 6291
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06:23<Supaplex>deepak: not w/o symptoms, or what you've tried, etc.
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06:23<deepak>Supaplex, i have install/compile alsa for my hda card
06:24<deepak>Supaplex, from this
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06:25<deepak>Supaplex, but still its not working ,i have added "intel" option at alsa-base file
06:25<Supaplex>sorry, you don't have to address me personally.
06:25<deepak>but still not coming,xmms runs songs but perfectly
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06:27<Supaplex>if xmms runs fine, then you're half way there.
06:28<amphi>deepak: intel hd audio?
06:28<amphi>deepak: did you disable the modem in the bios? on mine, that needs to be enabled for the sound card to work properly
06:30<deepak>oh..that i need to check it , i have not disabled but i am not sure what is the by default value,
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06:30<amphi>I expect it's enabled then; does alsamixer work? shows channels?
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06:31<amphi>unmuted? ;)
06:31<deepak>alsamixer shows Master ,PCM
06:31<amphi>well, you'll want to unmute pcm, and master
06:31<amphi>you have master? heh, I don't
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06:32<s_i_m>anyone using OO 2.4.0-rc5 from unstable?
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06:33<s_i_m>for some reason it does not like Sun's JVM 1.6.0_04. it says it is defective and cannot be used.
06:33<s_i_m>anyone seen this?
06:33<lieve>iwconfig eth1 output seems good, but I h-jst can't get connected
06:34<lieve>wpasupplicant is installed, but I read that I don't need to configure it if using gnome-network-manager
06:35<deepak>yes i have master
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06:38<fxiny>s_i_m: hmmm . i'm checking my java version : it seems sun released "update 5" > jre-6u5-linux-i586.bin
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06:39<deepak>amphi, ?
06:41<s_i_m>fxiny, it is not yet in the repositories, is it?
06:42<fxiny>s_i_m: i'm installing it now , on this box (only on this one) i use sun
06:42<fxiny>s_i_m: a test page detects my old "04" version
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06:44*fxiny plays with update-alternatives
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06:45<s_i_m>fxiny, I mean that sun's java that is in non-free is the old 04
06:46<fxiny>s_i_m: etch current version is : 1.5.0_14-b03 , sun 04 is > build 10.0-b19
06:46<fxiny>going to see 05 in a minute
06:47<s_i_m>in unstable (or lenny) there is 6-04-2
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06:47<s_i_m>in unstable, actually
06:49<fxiny>s_i_m: the only reason i'm running sun java in this box is because i wanted to play with update-alternatives --remove --install --config
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06:58<lieve>I completely restted my router so it has not encryption, but still no connection :)
06:58<lieve>the on the wireless adapter are on, but they're not bliking whaysoever
06:59<s_i_m>fxiny, found a bug on it:
06:59<s_i_m>same symptoms here.
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07:00<amphi>deepak: ?
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07:01<deepak>amphi, no i have tried all option not working
07:02<fxiny>s_i_m: firebug crashed , restarting it :)))
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07:02<amphi>deepak: did you look on or for info on your specific laptop model?
07:02<deepak>amphi, ill check now
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07:09<matth>is there any GForge BTS howto online ? I'm looking for specific control commands
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07:13<DAVID001>como instalo el flash en el navegador
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07:15<s_i_m>fxiny, hm, only removing ~/.openoffice.org2 files helped.
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07:24<fxiny>s_i_m: right : this one works build 1.6.0_05-b13 . going to check a gnome box with oo
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07:35<wa2n>I wanna istalling debian on IBM X3400
07:35<wa2n>what debian I haft to donload
07:35<wa2n>I using 4.0 but didn't detect hardisk
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07:36<wa2n>any one here ?
07:36<azeem>wa2n: what's a X3400? A server?
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07:37<wa2n>yup IBM
07:37<azeem>it's a SATA disk?
07:38<azeem>you can maybe try with the kmuto installer
07:38<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
07:38<wa2n>yes SATA
07:39<fxiny>hmmm strange : i have upgraded a gnome box to jre 1.5.0-14 but java .version says : 1.4.2
07:40<fxiny>java -version
07:40<wa2n>ok thanks
07:40<wa2n>Is that Ok i user amd64 on xeon ?
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07:41<azeem>wa2n: yes
07:43<fxiny>same box but different / partition kde says : java -version 1.5.0_14
07:43<fxiny>i hate java :P
07:44<wa2n>azeem: I download lenny, Is better using kmuto or lenny ?
07:44<valdyn>wa2n: kmuto
07:44<valdyn>matth: and maybe latter a lenny kernel, but you shouldnt use lenny for a server
07:45<valdyn>wa2n: and maybe latter a lenny kernel, but you shouldnt use lenny for a server
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07:47<wa2n>thanks ... there is Adaptec AIC-9580W SATA
07:47<wa2n>I hope kmuto work on it
07:47<fxiny>ahhh no tq|memphis today ? :P
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07:48<fxiny>but spammers ^^^^
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08:04<abhay__>i am having issue with web cam any one can help me
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08:08<grelle>valdyn: still there? I've got the same error twice more since the first time. I think it's something wrong with either LVM or XFS. I never got this when I had 5 "loose" partitions with ext3
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08:09<valdyn>grelle: you're getting timeouts, thats more than lvm or xfs malfunctioning
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08:11<grelle>valdyn: well...the entire system stops responding too. I get input output error when I try to do something over ssh. commands like 'ls' or 'mount' doesn't work. the root filesystem is still ext3 and not part of the lvm
08:12<valdyn>grelle: but on the affected disk(s). no?
08:12<grelle>valdyn: No
08:12<valdyn>grelle: you have various affected disks
08:12<grelle>valdyn: At least not what I can see...
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08:15<grelle>valdyn: yes, I've got the error on both sdd and sde. the root filesys is on sdb
08:15<valdyn>grelle: sdb is affected too
08:15<valdyn>end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 227693403
08:16<grelle>valdyn:'re right. didn't see that
08:16<valdyn>grelle: i would turn off ncq, just because that is easy to do
08:16<valdyn>grelle: i dont really have a clue what this is - but its not my error
08:16<grelle>valdyn: how do I do that?
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08:16<valdyn>grelle: echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth
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08:16<valdyn>grelle: for all sd*
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08:18<fxiny>ahain ?
08:18<fxiny>azeem: ^^^^
08:18<valdyn>grelle: i would also use a recent kernel if that is an option
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08:18<grelle>valdyn: ok. did that. sde already had queue_depth to 1
08:18<azeem>Ganneff: that guy has spammed several chans already
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08:24<grelle>valdyn: Is it safe to simply update the kernel with apt-get?
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08:27<Gekz>I am having problems with iptables letting the outside world reach port 80
08:27<Gekz> works :/
08:27<jaakko>Gekz: is it your own script?
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08:32<jaakko>Gekz: how about "iptables -I INPUT -j ACCEPT"
08:32<Gekz>I fixed it...
08:32*Gekz points at the router
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08:38<abhay__>cab any one help me regarding web cam
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08:59<jesperj>I have an Asus P5B-dlx motherboard with hda-intel sound chipset. everything works but recording from mic. I use Debian Etch. Google says some people have got it to work under Ubuntu. Any ideas on how to fix it? Do I have to compile my own alsa?
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09:10<grelle>How do I check the temperature in my system? My disk problems could possibly be caused by overheating...
09:10<witte>grelle: try lm-sensors
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09:15<fxiny>grelle: ^^^
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09:17<grelle>fxiny: witte: thanks. hddtemp was easier to use
09:17<Spee_Der>Hello again folks.... I'm having a bit of trouble getting Etch to play nice with the Matrox Dual port G400/450 card. Anyone suggest a sample xorg.conf please?
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09:20<Spee_Der>Oh shoot, I'm using Lenny not Etch.....
09:20<Spee_Der>Anyway, I'd like to use the dual port Matrox card.....
09:20<witte>Spee_Der: that is a bit different, xorg changed a lot in lenny
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09:21<witte>Spee_Der: and especially the way to configure dual screen setups
09:21<Spee_Der>Yes, I have noticed this.....
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09:22<Spee_Der>Perhaps I need to re-write the drivers myself.
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09:23<witte>wrong link :P
09:23*Spee_Der has dyslexic fingers and keyboard from time to time also.
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09:24<Spee_Der>witte, thank you. I will digest that page with a fresh cup of coffee for both of us......
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09:25<witte>!coffee Spee_Der
09:25*dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for Spee_Der, courtesy of witte
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09:26<Spee_Der>witte, you are most generous, thank you...... ummmmmmmmmm!
09:26<jesperj>I have an Asus P5B-dlx motherboard with hda-intel sound chipset. everything works but recording from mic. I use Debian Etch. Google says some people have got it to work under Ubuntu. Any ideas on how to fix it? Do I have to compile my own alsa?
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09:26<witte>jesperj: are you sure it is a driver issue?
09:27<jesperj>witte: Not really but I have been trying various settings in alsamixer for days with no success.
09:27<witte>jesperj: i mean, are you sure the alsa version is the reason
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09:27<Spee_Der>I found this non working MOBO. Well, I managed to make it work and added a spare 80 Gig drive and some heat sink grease for the 1.8 cpu.
09:28<Spee_Der>Now for the grand finale, dual monitor.....
09:28<witte>jesperj: the mic is not muted?
09:28<grelle>I'll explain my problem again if there are new people here. I get disk i/o timeouts every couple of hours, after which I have to reboot in order to kickstart the failing disk(s). Right now one of my drives have failed in this manner. Does anyone know if I can run some kind of diagnostic on the disk to get more information?
09:28<witte>jesperj: i know, stupid question, but it happens to be a common problem :P
09:29*jesperj nods
09:29<jesperj>nope it isnt
09:30<witte>grelle: look for smartmontools
09:31<fxiny>smartctl which is part of ^^^
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09:32<grelle>btw. I know there's nothing wrong with the disks themselves. They work fine in Windows. One of them is two years old, 4 are new. The likelihood that all 5 disks broke at the same time is pretty small. =)
09:33<grelle>(even though they all are of the same model)
09:33<grelle>witte: ok, will look at that
09:33<witte>grelle: in that case, you could also try hdparm
09:33<dpkg>well, hdparm is the HD tuning tool. It's also very dangerous, don't blame us if it makes you lose data. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :)
09:35<witte>the very dangerous is not really true if you keep to the basic stuff (don't do things you don't understand etc, but that counts not only for hdparm ;-))
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09:35<grelle>witte: he he. yea
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09:38<grelle>another thing. I can't read data from the drive with dd when it's in this state. it looks like it's completly offline
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09:38<witte>grelle: is there anything special in dmesg?
09:39<grelle>'s a log.
09:39<grelle>especially: "exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x3 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen" and "ag 0 cmd 0x61 Emask 0x4 stat 0x40 err 0x0 (timeout)"
09:39<grelle>and then "I/O error, dev sdd, sector 59407306"
09:40<grelle>it happens on all drives sd{a,b,c,d,e} at random
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09:40<grelle>this time it only happened to sdc, so my root system is still working (it's on sdb)
09:41<witte>grelle: do you have a new disk controller?
09:42<witte>new as in newer chipset than is supported by your kernel
09:42<grelle>sort of. I got two. I didn't have any problem until I setup LVM though
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09:42<grelle>but I'm not sure if that's it
09:42<grelle>it's two different SiI chipsets. don't remember the exact models now, but one of them is old
09:43<witte>grelle: i do not really have an idea what it could be. (I dont have systems with multiple 500 Gig disks :P)
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09:46<grelle>witte: but that shouldn't be a problem, right? =)
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09:46<witte>grelle: no, don't think so, do not really have an idea what the problem could be
09:46<grelle>witte: I mean, isn't linux used on some high end servers?
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09:48<fxiny>a safe bet is blaming xfs : ever tried ext3 just to check if lvm don't like xfs on your hardware ?
09:48<grelle>witte: I'll try different setups as soon as I find a place to backup the data...
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09:48<witte>grelle: yes, it is, i guess it is even more designed for high end systems rather than desktop
09:49<witte>there are other mentions of your problems on the web though
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09:49<grelle>fxiny: I think that could be it. I'll try reiserfs intead perhaps. ext3 doesn't perform very well, that's why I switched in thte first place
09:49<fxiny>grelle: a place to back up the data ? you've just found a problem with 500G ;)
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09:50<grelle>fxiny: well, i have the problem on all drives, so it's 2.5TB of data that needs to be moved somewhere. =)
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09:51<fxiny>grelle: ext3 can tell you if xfs is the problem
09:51<heogen>hi somebody know how I connect my laptop to tv?
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09:52<grelle>fxiny: but it's not possible to convert an xfs filesystem to ext3 without loosing the data, right?
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09:53<fxiny>grelle: can't you just shrink lvm and add some ext3 test partitions ?
09:53<grelle>witte: it could actually be the power supply as one person said on that link. I'll try with fewer drives in the system and see if that helps
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09:54<witte>grelle: yes, i guess you need at least 400 W if you have so many disks
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09:55<grelle>fxiny: yeah, I'll have to try that. it's just that it's really boring...=)
09:57<heogen>Hi I cant to connect my laptop to tv how can do it? my card is ProSavage8 KM266/KL266
09:57<rita>hi !! is trere anybody to help in setting wifi bcm4306
09:58<grelle>witte: that's exactly what i've got. =) but I did some calculataions on that before. An active drive should not consume more than 10W
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09:58<craigevil>rita: adding non-free sources to your sources list then doing apt-get update && apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
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09:59<gsimmons>rita: Which Debian suite are you using?
09:59<rita>craigevil i have done that
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09:59<rita>kde etch
10:00<witte>grelle: but if your power supply is not very good (low quality) it could deliver the power stated, but that is not everything, you also should see how much current at each voltage can be delivered
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10:00<rita> according to this
10:00<witte>grelle: it could be that the voltage for the harddisks drops (while the psu in theory could deliver more power to other devices)
10:01<rita>craigevil are you here?
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10:02<gsimmons>rita: You'll need to install the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' package from the Debian volatile repository. It's briefly mentioned in that tutorial.
10:02<gsimmons>!tell rita -about bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
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10:18<peyman>how can i find out what version of a library i have installed on my machine?
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10:22<avu>peyman: apt-cache policy libfoo
10:22<peyman>avu: thanks :-)
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10:22<peyman>alright, now another question then
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10:25<peyman>i have libfuse-dev v. 2.5.3 installed on my machine, and even though in my program i have #define(d) FUSE_USE_VERSION 25, when i compile and run it, i get this error: "/usr/lib/ version `FUSE_2.6' not found (required by ./client)"
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10:25<peyman>any idea what would be wrong with it?
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10:25<vook>eh, you don't have fuse_2.6 installed?
10:26<peyman>the exactly same program, runs perfectly on my desktop, which is just simply same as my laptop (both debian stable) but it doesn't run on my laptop
10:26<peyman>vook: no, because i don't need it.
10:26<peyman>vook: i use fuse 2.5 in my application, not 2.6
10:27<grelle>fxiny: I was just about to shrink the filesystem when I discovered that XFS cannot be shrunk!
10:27<vook>peyman: ok - just responding to the error (version `FUSE_2.6` not found)
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10:28<peyman>well the strange thing is that "i don't use FUSE_2.6", but seems like it is required on my laptop, yet not on my desktop!
10:28<illusion>i have debian server i whant to add new user with jailshell , how can i do this ?
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10:29<grelle>fxiny: I think the only option is to backup the data and create new filesystem from scratch...=/
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10:30<illusion>i have debian server i whant to add new user with jailshell , how can i do this ?
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10:31<kapil>illusion: use the "--shell" option for "adduser".
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10:31<illusion>adduser meme --shel /bin/jail ?
10:31<illusion>adduser meme --shell /bin/jail *
10:32<illusion>kapil, i dotn find the jail bin in /bin/jail
10:32<fxiny>of course
10:32<illusion>wat is the package to install kail in debian ?
10:33<illusion>wat is the package to install jail in debian ?*
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10:33<fxiny>grelle: hard life :)
10:34<fxiny>illusion: apt-cache search <packagename>
10:34<grelle>fxiny: he he
10:34<illusion>fxiny, i dont find in apt-get search !
10:35<illusion>apt-cache search jail
10:35<illusion>show nothing!
10:35<fxiny>illusion: dunno what you wanna do : scponly/rbash ? or what ? mysecureshell ? or what ?
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10:36<fxiny>is not in debian as far asa i know
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10:36<fxiny>i've tested on a vserver and is pretty good
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10:37<fxiny>i would not run unofficial packages in a server
10:38<vook>illusion: shows up here... i see jail, makejail, jailtool, among others.
10:39<illusion>wook jail - Just Another ICMP Logger
10:39<illusion>not jailshell
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10:40<fxiny>illusion: what debian version are you running ?
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10:42<jaakko>Interesting question, why initramfs works, but not otherwise. I tought it is allmost same thing, kernel just unpacks cpio archive to its rootfs and runs it first. Is the secret in timing, or in initramfs scripts?
10:42<fxiny>right : apt-cache show rssh ?
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10:42<jaakko>Sorry! wrong palce
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10:46<illusion>fxiny, any idea ?
10:46<vook>illusion: looks like you can get it from
10:46<illusion>wook thnx
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10:47<vook>(I think) it doesn't create anything called "jailshell" but rather jk_chrootsh
10:48<vook>I found it here:
10:48<fxiny>illusion: you want to restrict a user in a jail ?
10:48<illusion>fxiny, yes
10:48<fxiny>illusion: or just giving him/her a restricted shell ?
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10:49<illusion>i whant to guive her :p restricted shell
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10:51<fxiny>illusion: i already told you : apt-cache show rssh . check scponly and if you have spare time check out a vserver kernel . i run a vserver for fun
10:51<vook>illusion: it looks kinda cool actually. (creates jk_addjailuser (to answer your initial question)) I may find this handy someday...
10:51<illusion>lol i have openvz server and i whant to do this in a debian VPS
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10:55<rita>hi guys i asked for help aboyt an hour ago about my bcm4306 and was advised to add volatile in sources.list i did it
10:56<XoX>is there a file i can save static routes to ? in iproute2 or do i need to renter the routes everytime the system reboots
10:56<fxiny>illusion: man rbash
10:56<rita>update and upgrate reboot but nothing happens
10:56<fxiny>maybe you don't really need a jail
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10:57<rita>any ideas what is going on?
10:57<fxiny>volatile ? i have volatile in my sources , what packages do you want ?
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10:58<fxiny>yes is in volatile
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10:58<fxiny>Candidate: 1:006-3~volatile1
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10:59<rita>yes but doesn t work
10:59<fxiny>bcm43xx-fwcutter (1:006-3~volatile1 debian-volatile:stable)
10:59<rita>i don t understand
10:59<rita>new help
11:00<rita>oooo yes
11:00<fxiny>XoX: /etc/network/interfaces ?
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11:01<panagiotis>where are you from?
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11:04<fxiny>yes ?
11:04<rita>can you give me a hand?
11:04<fxiny>about volatile ?
11:04<rita>or some advice where else to look for
11:05<fxiny>add : deb etch/volatile main contrib non-free . then run aptitude update
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11:06<fxiny>rita: after this bcm43xx-fwcutter will be avaiable . check apt-get -s install bcm43xx-fwcutter . -s just simulate an install
11:06<rita> and a question
11:06<rita>have you got bcm4306??
11:06<bAndie9100>hi all
11:06<fxiny>rita: i'm sorry : dunno anything about it
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11:07<rita>thanks very must about your support
11:07<fxiny>rita: np
11:08<fxiny>np = no problems = you are welcome :)
11:08<rita>aaa ok
11:08<rita>thanks again for all
11:10<fxiny>rita: no need to rebot
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11:10<fxiny>rita: > rita> update and upgrate reboot but nothing happens
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11:11<fxiny>rita: just update by running apt-get update or aptitude update
11:11<rita>ok fxiny
11:11<mitch>can someone help me with madwifi and a macbook pro?
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11:11<rita>idone but.......
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11:11<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @ No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
11:12<fxiny>rita: you don't get the package ? can you paste your sources.list so we can eyeball it ?
11:12<mitch>okay I have installed it
11:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:13<mitch>and i had it finding and connecting fine
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11:13<mitch>and then randomly dhclient stopped being able to give it an ip
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11:13<rita># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080218-14:15]/ etch contrib main
11:13<rita># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080218-14:15]/ etch contrib main
11:13<rita>deb etch main
11:13<rita>deb-src etch main
11:13<rita>deb etch/updates main contrib
11:13<rita>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
11:13<rita>deb etch main contrib non-free
11:13<rita>deb-src etch main contrib non-free
11:13<rita>deb stable non-free
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11:15<fxiny>heheeh : in a paste bin
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11:16<rita>aa i didn t know
11:16<mitch>any ideas
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11:17<witte>mitch: what sais dmesg about the link
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11:17<mitch>what do you mean
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11:17<mitch>what is sais?
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11:18<witte>sorry, what is listed in the output of dmesg about the link
11:18<rita>help me
11:19<witte>sais is the same as says, but incorrectly written :-)
11:19<mitch>that is the thing
11:19<mitch>sorry if i don't know what something is i think it is a command
11:19<tq|Memphis>rita: what is the problem?
11:19<rita>about a bcm4306
11:19<rita>and volatile
11:20<tq|Memphis>good luck :/
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11:20<rita>does not work
11:20<mitch>my porblem now is that it won't see any wireless networks
11:20<fxiny>rita: can't you install the package ?
11:20<mitch>it's like it loses a new ability everyday\
11:20<rita>no i install it
11:21<rita>in succes
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11:21<rita>it dont work
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11:21<witte>mitch:, if you have etch, it could be that you need a newer madwifi
11:21<fxiny>so volatile works
11:21<mitch>i have the daily snapshot
11:21<mitch>i did what was listed
11:21<rita>the problem
11:22<rita>is the bcm4306
11:22<mitch>\then when dhclient stopped being able to give a ip i reinstated
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11:22<mitch>and now i have nadda
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11:22<witte>mitch: can you paste the output of dmesg in a pastebin
11:23<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:23<fxiny>rita: right : you still pushing something up the hill ;)
11:23<mitch>what is a pastebin?
11:23<witte>mitch: see the link dpkg gave
11:24<rita> how do you know it?
11:24<mitch>but i'm not on that computer....
11:24<mitch>that computer has no internet right now
11:24<fxiny>i've seen your primary nick
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11:25<rita>and you know sisyphus???
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11:25<witte>mitch: ah, ok
11:25<rita>from where are you come from??
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11:26<mitch>shold i try installing again
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11:26<witte>mitch: not really
11:26<witte>mitch: you need to find out what the problem is...
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11:27<mitch>so shift through the dmesg and find something
11:27<witte>mitch: can you rmmod the madwifi driver, and load it again
11:27<mitch>yes brb
11:27<grelle>is it possible to see which physical drives the data of a LVM volume occupy? I want to remove one physical drive without destroying any data
11:27<rita>ok i ll keep pussing the rock
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11:28<witte>mitch: once you have done that, look at "dmesg |tail -n 30 "
11:28<gsimmons>!tell grelle -about lvm remove disk
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11:29<fxiny>grelle: lvdisplay > lvremove
11:30<fxiny>tq|Memphis: you silent today : good :)
11:30<mitch>it says no ipv6 routers present
11:30<tq|Memphis>studing c :/
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11:30<witte>mitch: that is not a problem
11:30<grelle>fxiny: yeah, but lvdisplay doesn't specify where the actual data is. all drives are currently assigned to the volume, but I'm sure that at least one drive is "free" since I've only used about 50% of the space
11:30<witte>ok, now try to ifconfig the card
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11:31<mitch>okay it's there it has always been there
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11:31<witte>mitch: good, and it does not have an ip now probably?
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11:32<witte>mitch: ok, lets try dhclient ath0
11:33<fxiny>grelle: pvdisplay ?
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11:34<mitch>okay 1st it says wifi0 unknow hardware adress type 801
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11:34<grelle>fxiny: same deal...only displays the reserved extents
11:34<mitch>then No DHCPOFFERS recived
11:34<mitch>no working leases in persistent database- sleeping
11:35<fxiny>grelle: anything interesting down /etc/lvm ?
11:35<grelle>fxiny: I would like to see the data distribution...kind of like 'df' but for each individual physical drive
11:35<gsimmons>grelle: pvs
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11:36<XoX>how do i change the ugly message to something more friendly : "Password must be changed , enforced by root" when one changes the "last change" field in the shadow file to "0" ,
11:37<mitch>what does that mean]
11:37<witte>mitch: i don't have madwifi, but i thought that you would have a ath0 card, and not a wifi0?
11:37<grelle>gsimmons: that displays PFree as 0 on all drives
11:38<mitch>i have both listed
11:38<mitch>I've always have
11:38<mitch>I know I have an athos card
11:38<gsimmons>grelle: Then you don't have enough extents to perform your operation. Free some up, or add a new disk. It's all covered in the LVM HOWTO.
11:39<witte>mitch: there appear to be some more people with the same issue on the web
11:39<grelle>gsimmons: that's the point. all disks are already added to the volume. but I would like to physically remove one disk from my system and still access the data.
11:39<mitch>where at
11:39<gsimmons>!lvm remove disk
11:39<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lvm removedisk is and
11:40<gsimmons>grelle: ^^^^^
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11:42<mitch>iwlist scan showed me wireless networks
11:42<witte>mitch: maybe you need to set your essid before connection
11:42<grelle>gsimmons: mmm...that's not an option right now, because I don't have any free disk. that's why I want to know where the physical data is, so I can remove one of the disks without destroying it
11:42<witte>mitch: iwconfig ath0 essid name-of-network
11:43<mitch>now what
11:43<grelle>gsimmons: ie, remove one disk, format it. Then "dd" (or something) over the data from one of the other disks
11:43<witte>mitch: try the dhclient again
11:43<witte>after setting the essid
11:44<mitch>dhclient aath0 right?
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11:44<witte>mitch: yes, with one a of course
11:44<mitch>i have an ip!!!
11:44*witte says hoeray
11:44<mitch>thank you
11:45<mitch>how do i do that with a wep network
11:46<witte>mitch: there are plenty of gui config things (network-admin for instance) and otherwise "iwconfig ath0 key secret" iirc (but check the manual)
11:46<dpkg>well, wep is Wired Equivalent Privacy, the utterly useless level of encryption that 802.11b uses. As secure as rot13. Ask me about <wpa>.
11:46<mitch>i use network-admin and it doesn't work
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11:48<knoppix_>ficke dich
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11:48<mitch>thank you write so much
11:48<mitch>u are my hero
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11:49<gsimmons>grelle: Again, refer to the HOWTO links above. You'd need to use the pvmove to move the active extents from your target disk, to the other disks in your volume group, _before_ physically removing it. You need a sufficient number of free extents on your other disks for this to succeed.
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11:49<__Neo__>Lo, I'm after a package (something in php or cgi like squirrelmail) that'll give me a page similar to i.e. you go there and get a fake browser inside your browser so you can browse websites being loaded server side (a web proxy, without the client needing to access anything but port 80 and no extra software needed). Anyone know of such a thing?
11:49<scoual`>je voulais savoir si il existait un tuto detailler sur la façon de monter ses DD et surtout un DD qui a etais charger avec mandriva merçi a tous
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11:51<grelle>gsimmons: I don't have any free extents. I want to effectivly break the volume, without loosing the actual data. I can always extract the actual data from the disks later, as long as I know where it is. If LVM stores everything in a linear fashion, the last couple of disks _should_ be "free"
11:51<gsimmons>grelle: If no other disk is available, you can resize your existing filesystems with available free space, then their associated logical volumes to provide more extents. You'd also want to take a backup of your system prior to running pvmove.
11:51<grelle>gsimmons: It's XFS, and XFS cannot be shrunk...
11:51<tq|Memphis>i hate functions!
11:52<gsimmons>grelle: Good luck!
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11:53<grelle>gsimmons: Thanks! =)
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12:03<jagga>hi 2 all
12:03<jagga>need some help with php array`s work
12:03<jagga>just started LAMP
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12:05<moratel>i don't know something about that but do you know which architekure do i need with pentium 2
12:06<avu>(if you mean debian-arch. you can install a 686 kernel)
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12:07<moratel>hm i have this but i tested it and the computer founded no cd
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12:07<moratel>with my other computer dual core 2 duo he could install it with it
12:07<avu>then the cd or the cd-rom drive you used is broken I guess
12:07<moratel>i tested the other too
12:08<moratel>what else can i do?
12:09<paranoic>moratel: check the IDE config on the mainboard
12:09<paranoic>see jumpers an if BIOS recognize the cd drive
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12:11<moratel>if i start the pc it recognize it so it shows me a cd drive
12:12<paranoic>then see the BIOS order to boot from cd,this function must be activated from BIOS
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12:13<moratel>yes this is activated
12:13<moratel>there are four things to boot
12:13<moratel>first i have the cd drive
12:14<paranoic>the OS boot from cd?
12:14<moratel>then a floppy and then my harddisk
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12:14<moratel>which os boot
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12:14<paranoic>if you put a bootable cd in your cd drive..
12:15<paranoic>if it does..
12:15<moratel>its bootable because i used it for this computer too
12:15<paranoic>good then
12:15<paranoic>wait..what is your problem?
12:16<paranoic>after the OS is installed,the OS doesnt recognize the cd?
12:16<moratel>that it don't boot
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12:16<philipp>i am going to reinstall debian
12:17<paranoic>if the cdrom drive is selected as the first boot device,and is functionally,then the OS disk(the cd) is not bootable
12:17<philipp>but before i have to backup my /home
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12:17<moratel>it check the cd drive then it checks the floppy and then it s booting windows
12:17<moratel>so it doesn't find the cd
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12:17<philipp>can someone say me if there settings saved in virtual links?
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12:18<moratel>but i can test it on a third pc too
12:18<moratel>wait a moment
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12:18<paranoic>try to test your distro disk first:)
12:19<paranoic>on another pc
12:19<moratel>yes i try that
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12:20<paranoic>it boots?
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12:21<philipp>may you dont ignore me?
12:22<dpkg>rumour has it, at is a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. austria
12:23<moratel>yes it boots
12:23<moratel>the computer is in another room thats the problem
12:23<paranoic>philipp: they could be..if you are reinstalling your distro..try to get an separate partition for /home :)
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12:24<arnuld>my Debian installation is running "hald" automatically
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12:24<paranoic>moratel: probably there is a hardware malfunctioning..
12:24<arnuld>why should I need hald running ? when I mount CD/DVD drives manually
12:24<azeem>arnuld: so remove it
12:24<arnuld>any specific reason Debian wants hald running automatically ?
12:25<moratel>what coult i do against this
12:25<azeem>arnuld: because most other users prefer to have their hardware working automatically
12:25<arnuld>azeem: you mean my father ;)
12:25<philipp>paranoic the problem is that there are a few virtual links in my nome. In the directory /home/user/,kde
12:25<paranoic>i know:)
12:25<philipp>paranoic and i dont know if there are settings who may gone lost
12:25<paranoic>they will be broked
12:26<moratel>should i try to restore the bios
12:26<azeem>or myself
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12:26<paranoic>moratel: you could try to restore the BIOS defaults,and then retry,yes,but im sure will do the same
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12:28<moratel>then there could be a defect on the mainboard couldn't
12:28<paranoic>yes..could be
12:28<philipp>paranoic Are there any settings in /home/user/.kde/ ?
12:29<paranoic>philipp: im not sure..srry
12:29<moratel>ok thanks
12:29<__Neo__>Lo, I'm after a package (something in php or cgi like squirrelmail) that'll give me a page similar to i.e. you go there and get a fake browser inside your browser so you can browse websites being loaded server side (a web proxy, without the client needing to access anything but port 80 and no extra software needed). Anyone know of such a thing?
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12:34<woden>What is the nvidia one-liner?
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12:36<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
12:36<Xenguy>!nvidia one-liner
12:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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12:48<bighornram>what package do i install for kernel sources?
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12:49<cogwheel>bighornram, linux-image-*
12:49<cogwheel>bighornram, er..
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12:52<chealer>bighornram: which kernel?
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12:52<chealer>bighornram: if you don't mind, why do you want to install Linux sources?
12:53<bighornram>don't mind at all: to install iwlwifi driver
12:55<chealer>bighornram: for IPW 3945 or 4965?
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12:58<chealer>bighornram: you shouldn't need Linux sources, just Linux headers.
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12:59<bighornram>cool, been a long time since i've done this, learn it when you get a new machine and relearn it when you get the next new machine.
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13:02<woden>Hi, I just installed Debian Etch and I am having trouble with the nvidia one-liner.
13:02<woden>Can anyone help please?
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13:02<Maulkin>What's the problem?
13:02<chealer>woden: don't use the nvidia one-liner.
13:03<chealer>!tell woden about ngd
13:03<woden>chealer: well I already did the one-liner, and X won't start. My log shows this error "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)". I'm using a GeForce 8800 GTX card.
13:03<chealer>woden: follow the guide
13:04<woden>chealer: should I format, reinstall, and then follow the guide? Or is it alright to follow the guide after I already did the one-liner?
13:04<chealer>woden: no, just follow the guide
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13:04<woden>chealer: Is it possible that the Etch nvidia driver doesn't support my 8800 GTX because it's too new?
13:04<chealer>woden: yes
13:05<woden>chealer: how do I check? I don't know where to look. I did a goodle search but nothing came up that I could see.
13:05<chealer>woden: check whether your card is in the list of cards supported by your version of the nvidia driver.
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13:06<woden>chealer: where is that list?
13:06<chealer>woden: in the README, or in the package description.
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13:06<woden>I don't understand. What README? What package?
13:07<sisyphus>hi is there anybody working with bcm4306?
13:07<woden>looks like my card isn't supported :(
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13:08<woden>What should I do if I want to use Debian and I want to use my NVIDIA card with 3D?
13:08<chealer>woden: right
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13:08<bighornram>chealer: would the headers already contain mac80211?
13:08<woden>should I install sid?
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13:09<woden>or can I backport the driver from sid?
13:09<chealer>bighornram: more or less...your Linux version does contain mac80211, so they're more in the image.
13:10<bighornram> says to download and install the mac80211 package, how do I know if I need this step or not?
13:10<chealer>woden: I guess the easiest would be to upgrade to testing and to use unstable's version, or to try backporting unstable's nvidia-graphics-drivers for stable.
13:10<arnuld>I had Archlinux earlier whwere i used Deluge for downloading torrents but deluge is not available with Debian
13:11<arnuld>Deluge was a simple and straghtforward Torrent client
13:11<woden>chealer: Any idea how I would go about backporting unstables' nvidia-graphics-driver for stable?
13:11<arnuld>any good replacement ?
13:11<chealer>bighornram: you don't, because your Linux version contains mac80211.
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13:11<bighornram>chealer: thanks
13:11<chealer>woden: not precisely
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13:11<chealer>!tell woden about simple sid backport
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13:15<woden>chealer: What's the package name that I'm building?
13:15<chealer>woden: the source package is nvidia-graphics-drivers
13:16<woden>chealer: I did an apt-cache search nvidia-graphics-drivers and nothing came up
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13:16<chealer>I have to go
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13:26<filip>im trying to join a friends ircserver.
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13:26<filip>its password protected, but it doesnt work
13:26<Torsten_W>and what is your debian-question?
13:26<filip>i get errormessage 475: Cannot join channel (+k)
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13:27<filip>it works with windows.
13:27<paranoic>:)) filip
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13:28<qq>filip: so, that do for you 'cat /etc/debian_version' ?
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13:33<aFlag>hello, I want to change my system locale from en.UTF8 to en.iso8859-1. How do I do that?
13:33<_shai_>dpkg-reconfigure locales I think.
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13:44<vook>how could I launch an app on X display 0 from tty1 ? I launched startx from tty1 and then sent it to the background.
13:44<vook>(I don't have a mouse)
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13:48<pinto3>i don't know, if all you want is to run an app alt+f2 in gnome gives a command line
13:49<pinto3>gnome-terminal it's called for a shell
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13:49<vook>hmm. I'm in windowmaker. I think there is a way export DISPLAY from tty1 and then launch a program to that display...
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13:53<dpkg>somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
13:53<gpb>!install java
13:53<dpkg>Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin.
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13:54<gpb>problem solved, thanks dpkg ;-)
13:54<gpb>i assumed just -jre would be enough for the browsers :)
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13:59<woden>How do I backport unstable's nvidia-graphics-driver so it works in stable?
14:00<woden>Or, how do I install unstable from a netinstall CD?
14:01<gpb>install normally, then change your /etc/apt/sources.list
14:01<gpb>afterwards do an aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
14:01<gpb>or look on the debian site for release nor'tes for lenny
14:02<gpb>!tell woden about etch->lenny
14:02<woden>gpb: etch-->lenny?
14:02<woden>gpb: what about etch-->unstable?
14:02<abrotman>woden: if all you want is the video driver .. don't run all of unstable
14:03<woden>abrotman: I did the simple backport, but I didn't know how to edit the config file to remove the X dependency.
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14:03<woden>the nvidia-graphics-drivers depends on X stuff, and apparently you can remove it from some file before you build the package.
14:04<abrotman>woden: why are you after the newest driver?
14:04<woden>abrotman: because the one in stable doesn't support my 8800 GTX :(
14:04<woden>my card is too new
14:05<paranoic>cant you find a driver on nvidia site?
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14:08<gpb>i tried the driver on the nvidia site for my card and 3.6.24 on etch
14:08<gpb>result: not working, even not in 2.6.22 ....
14:08<gpb>had to purge the official one before reverting to 2.6.22 and using m-a again
14:09<gpb>so the official one is not always a solution...
14:10<gpb>(yes, it was an older card, sorry, don'thave the machine here soi i can't say which one)
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14:10<paranoic>i agree ..but at least he could try..:)
14:10<navin>Hi 2 all
14:10<paranoic>maybe it works
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14:13<msk>hi all (again) :)
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14:17<msk>okay, I don't know if it's the place to ask about it, but I'm going to do it anyway :P
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14:21<msk>I have debian stable as server, the problem is that my serv is... well I dont know what is going on really - its like apache is not working
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14:22<msk>if i type the address with /file.php - nothing happens also
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14:23<msk>ps aux | grep httpd gives me nothing (besides the grep httpd command ofcourse)
14:24<msk>but there are few httpsd processes (plesk probably)
14:24<cahoot>pgrep apache?
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14:25<msk>there are some pids
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14:25<msk>10 of 'em
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14:26<msk>oh, its apache2 - and it was working this morning, but then here we came and did something that we shouldnt - but we have no idea what was it^^
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14:29<msk>cahoot: you have any idea why would it not show any site?
14:29<cahoot>no was just trying to help clarify if apache was running
14:30<msk>no files are read from the server - even with chmod 777 - the browser just shows blank page
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14:49<szymon_g>ekhm, anyone willing with help about installation flashplugin on 64bit debian :? i used aptitude, it downloaded all dependancies and in theory its ok... but it doesn't work :/
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14:52<kop>szymon_g : I hear that gnash works "better" than flash, in that while it may not display right it does not crash as much. YMMV.
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15:01<bighornram>why would I be getting permission denied with this line? mac80211-8.0.1/origin/GIT: Permission denied
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15:02<cahoot>not owner?
15:02<bighornram>extracted from archive as same user and tried as su and both give me denied
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15:05<Maulkin>You're trying to run a non-executable file?
15:05<Maulkin>you're trying to remove a immuteable file?
15:05<Maulkin>!wayttd bighornram
15:05<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, bighornram?
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15:06<bighornram>install driver for iwl4965
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15:07<Maulkin>Right... lets see if we're lucky
15:07<dpkg>[iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at or #ipw2100 @, or <wireless tree>
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15:08<bighornram>update mac80211 in source as per
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15:09<bighornram>so as I'm understanding this it would be an easier proposition to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.23?
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15:12<mmavipc>!configure x
15:12*dpkg takes x package and apply dpkg --force `killall` --hold x's head --unpack x'brains --tar-file x's body
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15:14<kaleb>Is there a way to modify my outgoing mail so that it is the same as my virtual domains?
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15:14<mmavipc>how do i reconfigure x?
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15:14<kaleb>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:14<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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15:15<mike_>hi everyone
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15:16<mike_>how is everyone
15:16<kaleb>Is there no exim haxxor here? I need help :(
15:16<kaleb>mike_: Life is a party, you?
15:16<mike_>oh yeah!!, party all the time
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15:17<mike_>just got a new video card and compiz looks great
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15:17<kaleb>mike_: You don´t happen to be a exim blackbelt?
15:17<mike_>sorry no
15:17<kaleb>mike_: nice, I have not tried compiz yet
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15:19<mike_>its pretty good, better than vista aero, yuck
15:19<felipefg>good day
15:20<mike_>good day to you
15:20<kaleb>mike_: I still prefer a console though
15:20<kaleb>mike_: makes life simpler
15:20<felipefg>I'd even say that compiz and the many plugins make up better effects than MacOS X :-P
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15:21<amphi>mike_: you don't need a new card to run compiz; it runs perfectly well on a 32MB radeon 7500 ;)
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15:22<mike_>well i'm using an ATI, i hade a 64MB and it ran, but not everything, now i have 256 and OMG
15:22<kaleb>It there no one that can tell me how to modify outgoing mail to match my virtual domains?
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15:24<felipefg>Anyone knows if theres a way to make fuse file systems be properly unmounted before killed by 'sendsigs' during the shutdown/reboot procedure?
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15:25<panagos>i want to install some software from source (non-debian), but its ./configure keeps complaining that "libruby cannot be found". what packages do i need to install? i have already installed ruby1.8-dev
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15:26<mike_>panagos: look at
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15:33*szymon_g succesfully installed flashplayer from adobe on x86_64 :P
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15:36<vook>szymon_g: does adobe have a 64-bit binary yet?
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15:37<szymon_g>vook: as far i know- not
15:38<szymon_g>definatelly not :P
15:38<vook>szymon_g: are you running a 64-bit iceweasel?
15:38<szymon_g>si signore
15:38<szymon_g>yes :>
15:38<vook>and flash is working?
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15:39<szymon_g>yeap :P
15:40*vook 's amd64 is unexploited.
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15:53<acu>hi guys - what stage is lenny on ?- I want to deploy in two months a webserver with debian postgresql ez publish and wondered whether I should use lenny instead of etch ?
15:54<azeem>acu: no, use etch
15:55<szymon_g>use sid ;p
15:56<aFlag>use potato
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15:56<azeem>szymon_g: this is not funny
15:56<msk>he could have thought you're serious
15:57<aFlag>although sid is usually less broken than lenny, isn't it?
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15:58<acu>I got a lot of trouble making wireless Broadcom minipci express card on a AMD64 laptop - I am thinking to buy a different wireless card - which manufacturer is most open source oriented ?____no it is obvious that sid is not a solution - but I remember last transition (twomontths) of etch from testing to stable was smooth
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16:01<aFlag>When it's closer to the time of release debian testing gets quite alright. Otherwise it's broken.
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16:02<azeem>acu: I thought you were talking about running a server, not installing a random machine
16:02<azeem>for the latter, lenny might be alright
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16:03<aFlag>when I'm not worried about having broken dependencies and stuff I go straight to sid
16:04<chealer>aFlag: the other way
16:04<acu>azeem: I will have it online only in two months or so - but I wanted as a webserver with postgresql apache php5 ezpublish and some mail server
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16:05<chealer>acu: maybe Ralink or Realtek
16:05<azeem>acu: so use stable
16:05<kevind23>do you need all 28 CD's to install debian? because I'm trying to put it on a machine with a wireless network that demands ndiswrapper.. is it possible to just use the first CD?
16:05<azeem>kevind23: no
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16:05<azeem>kevind23: eh, yes
16:05<azeem>you can use the first cd
16:05<acu>azeem: thanks I will do that -
16:05<azeem>kevind23: not a good idea to ask two questions at a time
16:05<kevind23>what CD do I need for ndiswrapper & the base install, the rest I can get from the net
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16:06<azeem>is ndiswrapper in main?
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16:06<azeem>then it's probably on the first CD, otherwise, it's on no CD
16:07<acu>chealer: I called Ralink - they do not produce cards - they told me that some others use their chips - I was looking for realtek mini pci express wifi cards and could not find any on line - I will try again
16:07<kevind23>apt-cache says it's in misc
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16:09<kevind23>I suppose I'll grab a bunch of them from this computer and put them on a CD
16:09<kevind23>them meaning packages
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16:12<Aleric>What is the best way on the comandline to find out if a machine is big or little endian?
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16:14<chealer>acu: they don't produce cards, but chipsets.
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16:45<KeTonic>Hi, first thing, dont hate my for my poor english i have dyslexia and i am from Sweden. So my problem is that is that i have 2 NIC, with 2 external IP and every external IP have 10 mbit up. The thing is that all traffic is leaving true eth0, and i want the traffic that comes in true eth2 to leave true eth2 and same for eth0 and eth1. Google tells me that it have something to do whit the routing table but i cant find a sol
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16:46<KeTonic>Can some one here help me or give me some links
16:46<anaxagoras>does anyone know anything about postfix and selinux? My audit.log is filles with deny
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16:50<aFlag>KeTonic: eth0 is probably set up as your default gateway. So you can use route command (man route) to set your system so traffic can leave from eth0 or eth1. It looks weird to me that traffic comming from eth2 is leaving through eth0, though. Are you sure of that?
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16:52<KeTonic>aFlag, yes i am sure, if i stream music true shoutcast, i see that the data is comning in true eth2 and going out true eth0 same with apache
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16:53<KeTonic>the thing is that i have the same gw, brodcast and netmask on both nic and maby that have something to do with it
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16:54<aFlag>you may have to play with iptables to make it work, then. I don't know much, though.
16:55<KeTonic>more then me, network is not my friend. I can install, use, conf debian but thats about it :P
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17:01<szymon_g>ekhm, could anyone tell me why i get this error?
17:02<szymon_g>and what should i do to avoid this ?
17:02<szymon_g>kernel 2.6.24, my own compilation
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17:04<anaxagoras>szymon_g: hmm, i dont know but the 2.6.24 kernel should support the intel wireless cards
17:04<anaxagoras>iow, why are you doing this?
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17:05<cahoot>why ipw if 2.6.24?
17:06<cahoot>iwlxxxx is included
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17:09<szymon_g>anaxagoras: cahoot; yes, it is included... but i forgot to eneble it during compilation, and i would like to avoid another compilation....
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17:10<cahoot>well the chances to get ipwxxx working with that kernel is rather slim I'd guess - way simpler enabling iwlxxx as modules
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17:11<szymon_g>btw, if i know only the name of module, how can i know 'where it is' in menuconfig :?
17:11<cahoot>hit / and search
17:11<szymon_g>o, thanx coldtobi
17:12<coldtobi>ipw3945 is no longer supported in 2.6.24. You have to use iwl
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17:12<anaxagoras>but does anyone here know anything about selinux policies?
17:12<szymon_g>coldtobi: :<
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17:19<digger>hi all. can anybody help me with compiling of my module for kernel? everytime when I trying to complie I got "kernel panic " or "segm. fault"
17:19<digger>I' not sure why this is happening
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17:30<jaakko>digger: sounds bad... is your compiler ok?
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17:31<digger>yes. it is module written by my hand :)
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17:34<anaxagoras>for questions about your own handwritten kernelmodule the kernelnewbies lists would probably be more appropriate
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17:34<digger>but I not sure why I every time retrieve kernel or segmentation faults
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17:45<Supermule_>Hi. My Debian system is usually extreamly stable. But in one way it is unstable. Sometimes a program will use too much memory and the system will start trashing. So much that the system becomes comletely unresponsive. Is there some way to reserve memory for at least a root console and the kill-command?
17:45<Supaplex>!+info and etch
17:45<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
17:45<dpkg>and: (Auto Nice Daemon), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.2.2-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
17:46<Supaplex>Supermule_: try and
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17:46<Supaplex>you may have to configure extra thresholds
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17:53<Supermule_>Supaplex: Yes, I know I could do that. But it is a lot of trouble. And some of my programs use 50% of physical memory. So if I set threadshold too low they will dump. Too high and if I (accidently) run too high memory consumers at once, I will get trashing.
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17:54<Supaplex>how much ram do you have, and what are you running?
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17:55<Supermule_>Supaplex: one giga. I _think_ what killed this time was a WxHaskell compile.
17:56<Supermule_>Supaplex: to be fair it do not happen often that my systems starts trashing
17:56<Supaplex>you can use ulimit to stop programs from using over a certian amount. I don't know of anything/way to reserve ram for a certian user.
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17:57<Supaplex>and+swapd are a nice combo in a tight spot. just keep an eye on it if you get suspicious
17:57<emeng>Is anyone familiar with how to disable DirectoryIndex in Apache for a specified directory (that is, under a specified directory, I only want directory contents to be listed, even if there is an index.htm*)
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17:59<Supaplex>emeng: the lazy way is DirectoryIndex hliurehaoiuhfoasfdga84fhgaoydgfao.txt
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17:59<Supaplex>there is another way, but it seems I don't have that config anymore. (I use it on my mirrors/ directory)
18:00<petemc>or use htaccess
18:00<emeng>Supaplex, yes, but that only works globally
18:00<Supermule_>Supaplex: ok, there is properly not a way to reserve memory. I might write a proposal to some mailing list. I do not really feel that the current situration is satisfactory. But I do not know if the problem is common enough that it is worth doing anything about, or it is just me who have been unlucky.
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18:01<emeng>petemc: I'd like to use .htaccess somehow, but anything I've tried doesn't work
18:01<Supermule_>Supaplex: thanx for the help
18:02<Supaplex>emeng: <directory /foo> directoryindex . </directory>
18:02<petemc>emeng: what have you tried?
18:03<Supaplex>Supermule_: it is a frequent issue for some. it's relative to OOM killer
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18:04<emeng>Supaplex, I have tried something like that already, but I'll try again
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18:07<emeng>oh, it worked!
18:07<emeng>man, you don't know how long I've been working on this
18:08<Supaplex>this long? " " (not to scale)
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18:12<bighornram>where could I find a pre-compiled kernel 2.6.23 package?
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18:14<Supaplex>!tell bighornram -about search
18:14<Supaplex>bighornram: for etch? lenny? sid?
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18:18<chealer>bighornram: if you don't mind, why would you use that?
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18:19<bighornram>i find mention of it but can't find any packages. I've been told i need 6.23 for iwlwifi
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18:19<me>how can i check which users existing?
18:19<bighornram>instead of recompiling
18:19<me>system user
18:19<EmleyMoor>I just installed the latest horde update in stable and there appears to be an error in line 76 of /etc/horde/horde3/conf.php
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18:20<EmleyMoor>There seems to be an unexpected \
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18:21<EmleyMoor>In fact, lots
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18:22<EmleyMoor>Put my old conf back on and it works
18:23<Supaplex>diff -u ftw :)
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18:31<EmleyMoor>diff -y seems to be more use to me
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18:33<EmleyMoor>Meanwhile I think my asterisk box crashed because of the way I'd set it to work with festival
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18:35<aFlag>I like vimdiff
18:35<panagos>how can i see when a specific process started? i.e. its real time (as compared to CPU time)
18:36<panagos>* opposed to CPU time
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18:36<Bert>Hi all, debian amd64 is for Xeon E5410 harpertown too? Or do i have to take another one?
18:37<EmleyMoor>ps auwwwwwwwwx shows the start time
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18:37<petemc>Bert: if you want 64it, yes
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18:38<Bert>well, i don't want 64 bit, but my 8GB memory can't be addressed in 32 :( thanks for the confirmation petemc, i find the name amd64 confusing
18:38<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to get the currently available googleearth to work on stable? If not, is there a way to get an old version?
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18:42<Designed>Force Military *O*
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18:44<ranix>Bert: Intel cloned AMD64
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18:44<ranix>I don't recall if they called it EM64T, or if em64t was something else, but a google for "amd64 em64t" should clear things up
18:45<aFlag>If you have an intel 64 processor the name for it is amd64?
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18:46<ranix>dpkg, tell aFlag about em64t
18:47<aFlag>good to know
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18:51<Bert>dpkg, tell bert about em64t
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18:52<kop>Bert: (FYI, to talk to the bot you can "/msg dpkg em6t".)
18:53<Bert>thanks kop
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21:11<oscaryyy>una osa
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21:19<whitehat>I need some help please, could anyone tell me how to install java runtime enviorment for iceweasal
21:19<abrotman>whitehat: apt-cache search java plugin
21:20<whitehat>ok, I'll try that
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21:21<qq> "java" is see !sources-nonfree : apt-get update && apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin [or -jdk, for dev-work] ; then do: update-alternatives --config java : older version can then be removed
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21:23<whitehat>It's not working
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21:23<abrotman>define not working
21:23<abrotman>qq: and that doesn't work for etch
21:23<whitehat>ok, it says I need a aditional plugin. when I just apt-installed
21:24<abrotman>whitehat: you have to restart iceweasel
21:24<whitehat>ok, i'll try that
21:25<whitehat>It says I need java runtime enviorment
21:25<abrotman>whitehat: paste your sources and the error
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21:44<whitehat>one second
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21:51<whitehat>it still dosen't work :(
21:51<whitehat>now I get a blank box
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22:19<peyman>i have two machines, both Debian Etch, both have libfuse-dev and libfuse2 version 2.5.3-4.4 . and then i wrote this program that uses fuse version 2.5. it works on one of the machines, but not on the other. i get this error: "./client: /usr/lib/ version `FUSE_2.6' not found (required by ./client)". any solution?
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22:26<k2j2>I have windows partition mounted and when I try to make any changes to the files on the partition I am being denied
22:27<k2j2>how can I change itt
22:27<abrotman>what kind of partition, and mounted how?
22:27<alaya>peyman: try running strace on it
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22:28<k2j2>its a windows 2000 NTFS
22:28<abrotman>mounted how?
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22:29<k2j2>abrotman: don't understand what you mean how.
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22:31<peyman>alaya: which part should be interesting?
22:31<peyman>alaya: it opens the and then closes
22:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 317] by debhelper
22:32<peyman>alaya: then few other libraries, like pthread and libc and writes to stdout, and that's it (+ couple of mmap()s)
22:32<alaya>peyman: any mention of libs not found for example
22:32<peyman>alaya: no
22:34<peyman>it's just stupid!
22:35<alaya>peyman: is output of ldd -v /usr/lib/ the same on both?
22:35<peyman>alaya: hold on
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22:38<peyman>alaya: should it be "exactly" same?
22:38<peyman>alaya: the (i guess) memory address for is different
22:39<peyman>oh, and for libpthread
22:39<peyman>one is 0xsomething
22:39<alaya>peyman: maybe a version of one of the libs its dependent on is different on both machines?
22:39<peyman>the other is 0xsomethineelse
22:40<peyman>how is it possible?
22:40<peyman>and btw, i am recompiling the program on both machines.
22:41<alaya>just use the good one
22:41<peyman>alaya: because i used to develop it on the one that works, now i'm using this one.
22:42<alaya>peyman: no idea. unless both machines are not exactly up-to-date
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22:43<peyman>alaya: hmph! thanks anyway. i appreciate it :-)
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22:44<stond>can someone tell me where to go to edit my system tray
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22:46<stond>can someone tell me where to go to edit my system tray
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22:50<zarchne>stond: what?
22:50<qq>is away ...
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22:52<zarchne>Just as well, really.
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22:54<peyman>ok! now i installed fuse 2.6 and get this error: "./client: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
22:55<Nemoder>apt-file search
22:56<peyman>Nemoder: why should i do that?
22:56<Nemoder>to see what packages include it
22:57<Nemoder>and to verify that they are installed in the proper locations
22:57<peyman>Nemoder: i didn't install it from repository. i downloaded it from sourceforge
22:58<peyman>stable doesn't provide fuse 2.6
22:58<alaya>peyman: could it be a ld cache issue?
22:59<peyman>alaya: hmmm, i don't know!
22:59<peyman>alaya: what exactly is ld cache?
23:00<Nemoder>man ldconfig
23:01<qq> ??? why debian should provide support from packages from outside of official repository ? ??
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23:03<peyman>qq: well seems like it doesn't even provide support for official repository
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23:05<vsmatck>hmm, I'm thinking about doing software raid 6 on 8 drives with a dual p3/733 setup.
23:06<vsmatck>How much CPU does that require? Would I be short?
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23:09<peyman>it wasn't the ld cache issue
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23:16<peyman>aaaaaaaaah! solved! it WAS ld cache problem. thank you :-)
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23:18*Supaplex researches how to set the default routing metric for interfaces
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23:19<Supaplex>waou. man interfaces ftw. I wonder if the metric can be set by the router.
23:19<Supaplex>s/router/dhcp server/
23:22<Supaplex>blarg. metric != weight. (defunct!)
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23:24<Supaplex>so if I have one ethernet interface, and one fibre channel interface, how do I configure the fc interface to take the bulk of the ip traffic? (and for hosts reachable on it)
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23:34<zarchne>Supaplex: that fair queuing cbq thing?
23:35<Supaplex>dunno. I'm installing ifmetric now. man route says metrics are depreciated, and not used by the kernel.
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23:40<zarchne>Supaplex: shaper is the name I was trying to remember.
23:40<Supaplex>gah. ifmetric is all/no hosts. I need something that allows per host and per interface. I only have a few hosts that'll be on fc
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23:45<zarchne>Just the first few paragraphs of shaper's readme seems to indicate it's at least looking at as examples, even if it doesn't do what you want.
23:46<Supaplex>will do. I'm in the middle of taming the wire jungle here :P
23:46<Supaplex>down boy down! *snap*
23:48<zarchne>"at least worth looking at"...
23:49<zarchne>And if that doesn't do it, try reading what iproute-doc provides.
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23:51<zarchne>Looks like shaper will be enough, though.
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23:53<_ZeuZ_>is there any way to edit hosts file so that if an IP comes from a determinated subnetwork then it's named, but if it comes from another (in arp results) it's shown as the clasic "?" of unknown?
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23:58<dondelelcaro>_ZeuZ_: it's not clear what you're asking for
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23:58<Supaplex>!wayttd | _ZeuZ_
23:58<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, | _ZeuZ_?
23:58<_ZeuZ_>I mean
23:58<Supaplex>eg, why
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23:59<_ZeuZ_>If logs in with a netmask (log in as coming through this router box) then it will have a name, thus if it logs in with a different netmask, I want it not to be logged with the same name
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