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---Logopened Mon Mar 17 00:00:30 2008
00:00<Supaplex>dhcp? syslog? last(1)?
00:01<_ZeuZ_>static IP address if that's what you ment
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00:01<dondelelcaro>_ZeuZ_: it's still not clear what you mean by logged in, and why the netmask would matter.
00:01<dondelelcaro>_ZeuZ_: what exactly are you trying to do?
00:02<Supaplex>are you trying to configure static ips and hosts for some via dhcp?
00:02<_ZeuZ_>because I want to control that if somebody goes through (this is a stupid messure, I know, but I'm just paranoic) and hasn't got the correct netmask, then I'll see him in ARP without the name of the client, but as if I had no record of it's name in /etc/hosts
00:02<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex: no xD
00:02<dondelelcaro>_ZeuZ_: why does it matter if someone has the wrong netmask? You won't ever know what the netmask is of that host
00:03<dondelelcaro>(all the netmask does is tell the host which ips are locally addressable; it generally does not get disclosed by a host)
00:03<Supaplex>so you want to see arp -n on hosts not in your /etc/hosts ?
00:04<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex: nop, dondelelcaro allready responded to my issue
00:04<Supaplex>you were worried about disclosing hostnames that way?
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00:04<_ZeuZ_>not really
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00:05<_ZeuZ_>I just wanted to not only messure wich hosts had bad set the netmask, and if somebody clonned mac, IP and tryed to use my network, having the netmask bad configured, then drop it there to the list as a "?"
00:06<dondelelcaro>the only way you'd be able to track something like that is by looking at the bridge tables if you've got managed switches
00:06<dondelelcaro>otherwise it's pretty much a wash
00:06<_ZeuZ_>nop, I'm not bridging, just routing/forwarding
00:07<dondelelcaro>switches bridge by definition
00:08<_ZeuZ_>well, but I haven't got my interfaces like bridges ^^
00:09<Supaplex>!pciid [10df:f800]
00:09<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 10df:f800 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
00:09<_ZeuZ_>one more question... I've marked SYN packets, and I want to prioritize them, how do I proceed?
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00:11<_ZeuZ_>(I`m doing this only in the hope to grant the network more responsivness)
00:12<Supaplex>i'm going a little nuts here. what's the name of the kernel module for ipv4/6 on fibre channel? (for a network interface)
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00:20*Supaplex digs around /usr/local/src/linux-$(uname -r) for clues
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00:23<_ZeuZ_>iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -p tcp ! --syn -m state --state NEW -j MARK --set-mark 1 ::::::::::::::::::: Would that mark SYN packets as 1 ?
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00:47<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Where would I configure Sleeping and hibernation?
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00:55<karatorian>Any idea why my mouse (PS/2) would stop working when I plug a thumb drive into a USB port?
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01:01<dontpanic>Hi, I have a disk thats recognized by the bios (sata) but not recognized by gparted or fdisk. How can I completely clear it?
01:01<karatorian>dontpanic: Is it seen by the OS? (Does it show up in /dev?)
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01:02<dontpanic>I don't think so
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01:02<dontpanic>Actually I'm not sure
01:02<Varanger>I have installed a debootstrapped Debian system
01:03<Varanger>Right now, I need tzconfig and I can't find which package installs it.
01:03<dontpanic>:O its working now!
01:05<Supaplex>Varanger: see the i-g about installing on installed systems
01:06<Varanger>Ok thanks Supaplex
01:06<Supaplex>tzconfig is in libc6 :-D
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03:06<noble->os[Linux 2.6.22-14-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical : 2026MB, 92.0% free] disk[Total : 20.58GB, 44.20% Free] video[nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7300 GT]] sound[]
03:06<noble->bypass FTW!
03:06<noble->wrong channel
03:07<hw>what are you trying to bypass ?
03:07<noble->long story
03:07<noble->I specifically told vista not to install new updates, yet out of nowhere I get a msg that I will reboot in 4 mins
03:07<noble->because of updates
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03:08<noble->so I just booted into linux
03:08<noble->I'm so f'ing suck of vista
03:08<noble->I'm about ready to format that partition
03:08<hw>mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdxx :)
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03:10<noble->be more useful that way wouldn't it
03:11<noble->I only keep it for certain games, but I play games less and less lately it seems.
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03:14<Guest1608>cant get dell bluetooth mouse to work with newest bluetooth firmware on debian!
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03:14<jamesh>anyone help?
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03:16<blarson>!tell jamesh about ask
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03:20<jamesh>already installed that package
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04:00<noble->just got ventrilo client working
04:00<noble->and so many said it couldn't be done in linux
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04:15<acidShaka>i've to do a symbolic link
04:15<acidShaka>ln -s folder1 folder2
04:15<acidShaka>i'm using Debian on a Vbox
04:15<acidShaka>sharing a folder with win (Host System)
04:15<acidShaka>folder2 is shared between the 2 system
04:16<acidShaka>and i can't do the symblinkl
04:16<acidShaka>Operation not permitted
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04:17<sep>you try to overwrite the directory folder2 with a symbolic link from directory folder1 ?
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04:20<jm_>maybe it doesn't work because linux doesn't know what folder is :P
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04:26<acidShaka>i've tryied a new solution
04:26<acidShaka>i've made 2simbolic link in a local directory and it works for now
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04:49<JustSoul>How to make normal user can open cdrom tray
04:49<JustSoul>eject: unable to open `/dev/hdc'
04:50<aptituz>add the user to the appropriate group
04:50<JustSoul>what group?
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04:51<aptituz>most likely cdrom. do a ls -l on /dev/hdc and you'll see what group is associated with the device
04:51<JustSoul>cdrom, yes, thx
04:51<aptituz>JustSoul: did you create a user during the install of Debian?
04:52<aptituz>if so, you might have a look at his group membership, because there are several other groups that might be of interest for hw access
04:52<JustSoul>they are MS AD users )
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05:08<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process.
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05:09<JustSoul>how to switch on dma on /dev/hdc (cdrom)?
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05:11<bore>anyone can mount a ntfs partition
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05:15<JustSoul>bore: I can
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05:16<JustSoul>mount -t ntfs /dev/Device /MountPoint
05:16<bore>The folder contents could not be displayed.
05:16<bore>You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "win".
05:17<bore>i do it under su
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05:18<bore>I've trying to mount it this way from about an hour
05:19<JustSoul>bore: try noacl option
05:19<JustSoul>or smth like that
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05:22<bore>ill try it
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05:37<eragon>hi all
05:37<eragon>i want to install rrd package for php
05:38<eragon>any idea how
05:38<eragon>i have debian etch machine
05:38<padski>eragon, dpkg -l '*rrd*'
05:39<eragon> librrd2 1.2.15-0.3 Time-series data storage and display system
05:39<eragon>ii librrds-perl 1.2.15-0.3 Time-series data storage and display system
05:39<eragon>un php4-rrdtool <none> (no description available)
05:39<eragon>ii rrdtool 1.2.15-0.3 Time-series data storage and display system
05:39<eragon>ii rrdtool-tcl 1.2.15-0.3
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05:39<eragon_>sorry guys
05:39<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
05:39<eragon_>i want this php4-rrdtool
05:40<eragon_>where i get this
05:40<eragon_>padski what i get this
05:42<seanius>not just apt-get install php4-rrdtool?
05:42<padski>was in sarge
05:43<eragon_>so what i do for etch
05:43<eragon_>am trying to run amavis-stats
05:43<eragon_>i need that old package
05:45<padski>eragon_, I reckon: first you find out what happenned to it
05:46<seanius>and there's always
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05:47<seanius>though of course remember you will be using unmaintained buggy software full of security holes
05:47<padski>eragon_, looks to me like nobody cared.
05:47<seanius>oh wait, you're already using php :)
05:47<padski>eragon_, the dependency for amavis-stats is rrdtool | php4-rrdtool
05:48<padski>can you not just use rrdtool on its own. that is certainly well-cared for. everyone and his dog uses it.
05:50<padski>eragon_, I am unfamiliar with amavis-stats, but doesn't it take care of that for you ? did you read the doco in the package ?
05:51<eragon_>i did
05:51<eragon_>it says
05:51<eragon_>it needs php4-rrdtool
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05:52<Gekz>is it safe to remotely mount /var/cache/apt/archives
05:53<seanius>Gekz: read only?
05:53<Gekz>I mean
05:53<Gekz>mount a remote hard disk to that point
05:54<seanius>you mean share that dir between mulitple machines rw?
05:54<seanius>or just one machine?
05:54<Gekz>one machine
05:55<Gekz>the question is simply whether I can mount a remote partition to that point >_>
05:55<seanius>i think it ought to be fine in that case
05:55<seanius>Gekz: but sometimes people ask the wrong question, so had to be sure :)
05:55<Gekz>I am not one of those people -_-
05:56<seanius>i.e. trying to share that dir would be problematic, because either (1) use of lockfiles will prevent simultaneous usage anyway or (2) lack of lockfiles might lead to breakage. i'm not sure which is the case with apt
05:56<Gekz>I dont want to share it
05:56<Gekz>I just want to know if I can mount it to a remote
05:56<Gekz>because I only have a 4GB hard drive
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05:56<Gekz>and I need to do a safe-upgrade :P
05:56<Gekz>I have about 23MB free
05:56<Gekz>so that's hard
05:57<seanius>well i know there are people who have their entire system nfs-mounted
05:57*seanius has his /var/cache/apt/archives dir symlinked to bigger volumes on some machines
05:57*Gekz has a better idea
05:57<Gekz>external hard drive, loop-mounted file
05:58<Gekz>too lazy to repartition it
05:58<seanius>guess that'd work
05:58<Gekz>I've done too much work with loopback img files :(
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05:58<Gekz>I ended up putting partitions into a file and controlling them with lvm
05:58<Gekz>that was crazy
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06:00<JustSoul>how to check, what program use File?
06:00<padski>eragon_, my reading is that you should be able to use it without php4-rrdtool, and that dependency is completely removed in lenny (arguably should have been for sarge). perhaps if you grad a copy of the doco from the lenny package it will be clearer. in any case, I not that this package is now orphanned.
06:00<eragon_>but am getting this error amavis-stats::error: rrd_graph(): 127
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06:01<padski>eragon_, and what makes you think that has anything to do with php ?
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06:03<eragon_>i just install php4
06:03<eragon_>now error is changed
06:03<eragon_>am guesing
06:04<padski>eragon_, incidentally, do you have a good reason to install php4, because it is not recommended otherwise
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06:04*seanius seconds that
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06:04<seanius>code 127 makes me think "command not found", btw
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06:07<eragon_>which command not found
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06:10<seanius>eragon_: i don't know, whatever rrd_graph() is calling. maybe /usr/bin/rrdtool?
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06:10<eragon_>ok fine
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06:10<eragon_>i did that
06:10<eragon_>now error is amavis-stats::error: rrd_graph(): 1
06:10<wa2n>need help installing debian on IBM X3400
06:10<padski>unlikely, that is a dependency of the package
06:10<wa2n>with 4.0 and lenny not working
06:11<wa2n>kmuto also ...
06:11<wa2n>cannot detect disk ( with adaptec and qlogic)
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06:12<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
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06:13<padski>eragon_, when do you see this error ?
06:13<eragon_>when i click on my browser to see amavis-starts
06:14<eragon_>i cant open page
06:14<eragon_>it gives following error
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06:17<eragon_>whats up
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06:18<padski>it says "whats up" ?!?!?
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06:19<sound_heart>what is the command line for renaming a dir, please?
06:19<padski>sound_heart, mv foo bar
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06:21<sound_heart>victor@WWW-2E9F0C7A53B:~/doc/lyrics$ mv David_Delgado/ david_delgado/
06:21<sound_heart>mv: target `david_delgado/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
06:22<sound_heart>so, what is the problem here?
06:22<jm_>remove the trailing /
06:22<sound_heart>jm_, thank you.
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06:23<sound_heart>and another question, what is the command line for search a certain file, if i know a part of the filename?
06:24<sound_heart>jm_, will that include .foo files?
06:24<jm_>sound_heart: depends on your search pattern
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06:27<sound_heart>jm_, if i want to find a file with "epiphany" contained its name, the search path being the whole file system, including all the .foo files, what should the command line be?
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06:30<sound_heart>if i want to find a file with "epiphany" contained its name, the search path being the whole file system, including all the .foo files, what should the command line be?
06:30<jm_>sound_heart: find / -iregex epiphany
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06:32<sound_heart>jm_, i found the iregex option in the man page, but what's it for?
06:32<sound_heart>not easy to understand.
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06:33<jm_>sound_heart: man 7 regex
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06:36<sound_heart>thank you. bye.
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06:41<eragon_>if i want a script on startup
06:41<eragon_>what i do
06:42<eragon_>write it on rc.local
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06:46<amphi>eragon_: or write a script in /etc/init.d and add symlinks to the runlevel directories (you can use update-rc.d for this)
06:47<wa2n>need help installing debian on IBM X3400
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07:01<DTE>HI ALL
07:01<DTE>ops sorry
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07:01<DTE>i'm having some problem using a ITE raid controller on's not a debian related problem
07:02<DTE>but if anyone had the same issue, he could help me
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07:13<spar74n>can anybody help out with custom kernel building?
07:13<spar74n>lol i dont know where can i find out what all those options mean?
07:13<spar74n>hey jm_
07:14<jm_>reaf help for them?
07:14<spar74n>jm_ i suppose i annoy you right?
07:14<DTE>spar74n: in debian way?
07:14<jm_>spar74n: nope
07:15<spar74n>DTE yes
07:15<DTE>using make-dpkg?
07:15<amphi>make-kpkg ;)
07:15<spar74n>jm_ lol i am very sorry but i gotta ask somewhere lol tough i made a whole system made networking and all lol my first time
07:16<DTE>ah yes...i always forget it :-)
07:16<spar74n>DTE i know but in options menu where i gotta choose what to enable and what not i get a bit confused theres loads of things i dunno what are
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07:17<DTE>spar74n: you have to know very well your hardware before to make a self-made optimized kernel
07:17<spar74n>DTE yes i know but i wanna play a bit with it
07:18<DTE>then play...but be prepared that sometime you coulkd break something
07:18<spar74n>DTE i always can get left with original debian kernel if i fck something
07:18<spar74n>DTE yes thats ok as long as i learn new things
07:19<DTE>of course you can read the tons of documentation there's with the kernel
07:21<spar74n>DTE i knew sht about debian and how to config it from base system but with jm_ and ppl from this chan i learned and set it up
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07:22<spar74n>DTE tough i really busted jm_ i gotta admit lol
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07:25<spar74n>dunno if jm_ drinks beer but if he does i owe him a box of beer lol
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07:26<spar74n>or a cup of coffee at least haha
07:26<jm_>spar74n: I used to drink it regularly, but lately I stopped drinking alco because of health issues
07:27<jm_>spar74n: gather all the questions/config options and paste it on some paste site, I'll take a look (I think someone proposed that generator for kernel config files be written as part of GSOC)
07:28<spar74n>jm_ ok will do that but not now
07:28<spar74n>jm_ health problems...
07:29<spar74n>jm_ what kind if its not a secret...
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07:30<jm_>spar74n: all sorts of shit, I've been to quite a few exams but everywhere things were OK, so some said it may be psychosomatic shit
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07:33<spar74n>jm_ psychosomatic? shit thats like based on psyche?
07:33<jm_>spar74n: yeah
07:33<jm_>as in it originates from it
07:33<spar74n>jm_ very interesting... can i pm u?
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07:33<jm_>spar74n: sure
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07:53<peyman>is it possible to convert a RLE 45 to ELF 32-bit?
07:53<weasel>wrong channel.
07:53<weasel>and probably not.
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07:56<jm_>offtopic, but maybe someone knows: is it possible to convert a certificate in pkcs12 format to pkcs12 without a password or to PEM without a password *that* I can use with openssl/gnutls?
07:57<weasel>no idea
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07:58<weasel>does openssl pkcs12 -in foo.pkcs12 -out foo.whatever not work?
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07:58<weasel>maybe also adding -nodes
07:59<weasel>the pkcs12 manpage even has examples
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07:59<peyman>i think the question is offtopic in almost any channel, that's why i asked here! sorry for that.
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07:59<jm_>weasel: yeah, also man rsa mentiones how to create a PEM file without a password but I get an error trying to load it
07:59<weasel>load it using what?
08:00<jm_>I tried gnutls in C and also with perl's Crypto module
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08:01<jm_>so I suppose I'll have to end up exporting it to pkcs12 with a different password
08:01<weasel>or you can create a pkcs12 file without password from the cacert, client cert, and key
08:02<jm_>don't have that, I only have client cert ;)
08:02<weasel>you have a pkcs12.
08:02<weasel>that contains all 3
08:02<jm_>hmm then I perhaps need to investigate it further, thanks
08:04<spar74n__>anybody know why virtualbox-ose wont load module into kernel?
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08:05<spar74n__>and how can i give permission to user (that would be me) to use some mounted usb or any mounted drive?
08:05<weasel>let the user mount the stuff. they probably already can do that using pmount
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08:07<jm_>spar74n__: also try usbmount package
08:08<spar74n__>mount: only root can do that (it doesnt mount automaticly)
08:08<spar74n__>jm_ will try now
08:09<spar74n__>ok i dunno how to use usbmountlol
08:10<spar74n__>i just want a user to be able to use usb mounted onto /media/usb0
08:10<spar74n__>and would like to be able to get root aterm from user xsession
08:10<spar74n__>dunno how to do it
08:11<jm_>check /usr/share/doc/usbmount - it's supposed to be automatic
08:11<jm_>i.e. you don't call it yourself
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08:17<spar74n__>jm_ ok usbmount is setup but i cant go into the dirs as user where doi stup that
08:17<jm_>spar74n__: how is it mounted?
08:17<spar74n__>jm_ automaticly usbmount mounts it
08:18<spar74n__>usb0 usb1 usb2 etc
08:18<jm_>spar74n__: yeah but type mount
08:18<spar74n__>i need read/write permissions
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08:19<jm_>set it in usbmount.conf
08:20<spar74n__>jm_ ist usb hdd with 3 partitions two ntfs and one vfat i need acess to vfat one
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08:21<jm_>spar74n__: noatime,gid=floppy,fmask=117,dmask=007,umask=007
08:21<jm_>if your user is in group floppy
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08:22<spar74n__>jm_ dunno in what group he is sorry
08:22<jm_>spar74n__: type "id"
08:22<spar74n__>i see cdrom floppy audio video plugdev
08:23<jm_>ok so use that
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08:23<spar74n__>wtf is fmask dmask and umask?
08:24<jm_>man mount
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08:30<spar74n__>ok i got it
08:30<spar74n__>its ntfs partiton but i dont know why vboxdrv is not installed package should have installed module on its own...
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08:34<Cyorxamp>Hi, using vi/vim in the rescue mode off the CD is really really difficult - any tips?>
08:34<Cyorxamp>It doesn't act like normal vi/vim and gives a warning before it loads about the terminal
08:36<padski>Cyorxamp, "doesn't act like normal vi/vim" ?
08:37<Cyorxamp>up and down keys don't work, you have to use HJKL instead... also it doesn't mention when you've gone on insert mode... the delete key (either) doens't work
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08:37<Cyorxamp>just a whole raft of problems, takin me a good 20mins to try and uncomment a line and I still haven;t
08:37<padski>Cyorxamp, use x for delete
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08:38<padski>Cyorxamp, man ed ;-)
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08:38<Cyorxamp>I was just looking at ed, looks even worse
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08:39<padski>Cyorxamp, ed will not pulloute your precious bodily fluids
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08:39<Cyorxamp>my bodily fluids are precious ?
08:39<Cyorxamp>what are you a vampire?
08:40<padski>Cyorxamp, maybe you would be more comfortable with something like nano, does the rescue disk have nano ?
08:41<padski>!man ed
08:41<dpkg>[man ed]
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08:49<Cyorxamp>padski: I love nano... *hugs* but unfortunately no its not on there... and when I do put it on there it won't load
08:49<spar74n__>how do i add user to some group?
08:50<Cyorxamp>somethings not right with the 'terminal' so vim claims
08:51<jm_>spar74n__: /msg dpkg audio
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08:52<danilo>ciao a tutti
08:52<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
08:53<spar74n__>ciao danilo
08:53<danilo>ciao spar.. di dove sei?
08:54<spar74n__>:) tu?
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08:57<spar74n__>lo so ma che cita?
08:57<noflash>spar74n__, this is an english channel
08:58<spar74n__>lol sorry
08:58<spar74n__>was carried away a bit :)
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09:06<pogson>Anyone have any idea how to work around bug 470719, corruption of data with multiple NFS clients to same file? I run thin clients. The suggested patch is for 2.6.22 or such and seems incompatible with 2.6.18-6 which I have installed.
09:08<DTE>install a newer kernel isn't possibile?
09:08<pogson>Which one? Is the fix in any of the Debian kernels?
09:09<DTE>normally i compile myself the newset stable kernel
09:12<jm_>there are newer kernels for stable release on backports
09:12<pogson>That is what I have. 2.6.18-6. I was running 2.6.18-3 until this release. I had a driver problem and did compile that from source. I had some hesitations and freezes on the server and replacing e100 fixed it, but I want to mount /home on the clients and may have trouble with this bug.
09:13<padski>pogson, there is .22 on backports
09:13<pogson>OK, I will look there. I will have to check the source, because there is no further information on I wonder how many installations and what kernels are affected. No clues.
09:14<pogson>OK, I will look at .22
09:15<normes>After upgrading from sarge to etch on our core firewall, the system is sending out many (founded) ICMP redirects. But the system doesn't forward this kind of incoming traffic. Is there a way to change this behaviour back to don't send ICMP redirect and forward the packages the right gateway? I've tried already the send_redirects/share_media options in /proc without success, using kernel 2.6.18-6-686
09:15<padski>normes, I am curious, what is a core firewall ?
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09:16<normes>padski: it's just one of our most important firewall/router
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09:19<padski>normes, the /proc thing works for me on etch, last time I needed it (which was a few weeks ago)
09:19<themill>normes: if you don't get anywere here, ask #iptables perhaps.
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09:25<spar74n>guys is there any ntfs support for debian so i can use ntfs drive like in windows (read/write acess) from the start?
09:25<DTE>in sid there's for sure ntfs-3g
09:25<jm_>!tell spar74n about ntfs-3g
09:25<jm_>it's also on backports
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09:26<normes>padski: interesting, do you still know the right option which you changed in /proc ?
09:28<spar74n>btw how can i get root shell in user x session?
09:29<jm_>!tell spar74n -about sux
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09:30<padski>normes, unfortunately that machine was test system, so I don't have the history, but I reckon something like /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/send_redirects
09:31<padski>normes, there are per-interface ones as well, and I think you can set them in /etc/sysctl.conf ?
09:31<themill>spar74n: but of course you rarely actually need to do that...
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09:32<spar74n>themill yes rarely but i sometimes need to install something so id like to do it from xterm not to change tty
09:33<spar74n>jm_ can automount somehow use ntfs-3g ?
09:33<jm_>spar74n: absolutely
09:33<spar74n>i need to spec something or its automaticly?
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09:33<me>does anyone know how to configure postfix that it allows only secured connections (tls) even if u only check ur mailbox
09:33<themill>spar74n: su or sudo within your xterm are normally enough. If you want synaptic or galternatives then sure.
09:34<spar74n>themill i gotta add myself to sudoers file lol
09:34<spar74n>themill but dont know where it is lol
09:34<DTE>me: i think you should look at smtpd_recipient_restrictions
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09:35<spar74n>jm_ im trying to use vbox vdi file from ntfs partition but it breaks
09:35<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
09:35<spar74n>dunno why
09:35<padski>spar74n, man sudo
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09:36<spar74n>padski hi thx
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09:37<spar74n>padski thx lol its man always lol
09:38<padski>spar74n, fishing rod rather than fish
09:38<spar74n>padski true but i feel stupid always same answer lol
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09:39<padski>spar74n, there are no stupid questions
09:40<padski>just trite answers ;-)
09:40<spar74n>jm_ i cant get it to work from ntfs partition
09:40<spar74n>padski lol
09:40<jm_>spar74n: get what to work from there?
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09:42<spar74n>jm_ virtualbox
09:42<jm_>spar74n: but why would you run it from there?
09:43<spar74n>jm_ its on usb hdd
09:43<jm_>spar74n: virtualbox executable or what?
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09:44<spar74n>jm_ no virtualbox has .vdi files its like hd image for it
09:44<jm_>spar74n: can you read it?
09:44<spar74n>jm_ so without it i cant get the virtual machine working
09:44<spar74n>i can see it in mc and rox-filer
09:44<jm_>spar74n: cat file > /dev/null
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09:47<spar74n>jm_ ok i did that lol
09:47<normes>padski: yes but the redirect things are active as soon as you set it on at least one interface. thanks anyway
09:48<jm_>spar74n: and?
09:48<spar74n>jm_ it went ok
09:48<spar74n>jm_ vbox reads the file
09:48<jm_>spar74n: so it's not file permission issue, maybe it's because it's mounted RO?
09:48<spar74n>jm_ its a windows inside vbox it starts but breaks
09:48<flixh>I am trying hard to get suspend to ram working on Lenny, but it's getting stuck on resume, only powercycling possible. Anybody got some pointer where to look?
09:49<themill>!suspend troubleshooting
09:49<dpkg>A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp.
09:49<padski>normes, I didn't notice that. themill's suggestion to try #iptables sounds good
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09:50<padski>normes, I'll see if I can check on mine.
09:50<spar74n>jm_ fck its mounted read only
09:50<flixh>themill: thanks
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09:50<jm_>spar74n: yes, that's the default without ntfs-3g
09:50<normes>padski: yes i'll give #iptables a try ;) thanks for your time
09:51<spar74n>jm_ i put rw in usbmount config file right?
09:51<me>DTE: thx for the tip but i cant find anything... :(
09:51<padski>netfront: device eth0 has flipping receive path.
09:51<jm_>spar74n: which fs is used for mounting? (mount command tells you)
09:52<spar74n>jm_ ntfs
09:52<jm_>spar74n: that only supports RO operations
09:52<spar74n>jm_ fck
09:52<spar74n>no rw on ntfs support so far right?
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09:53<spar74n>jm_ i had some tools be4 for rw support tough they were experimental
09:54<jm_>spar74n: we told you about that - ntfs-3g
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10:00<spar74n>jm_ ok i mounted it with ntfs-3g now works like a charm is there a way i set the usbmount to use ntfs-3g?
10:02<jm_>spar74n: check if you can somehow pass -t to it
10:03<spar74n>jm_ to usbmount?
10:03<jm_>spar74n: yeah
10:03*themill is watching on as he's never yet seen a usb automounter work with ntfs-3g
10:04<jm_>it's trivial with autofs
10:04<spar74n>themill lol ive made virtualbox to run from usb ntfs partition (i mean the .vdi image) under linux lol
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10:04<spar74n>jm_ i can use autofs instead
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10:05<themill>jm_: yep... it's the usb auto bit that's the problem.... it's trivial if you stick it in fstab too. Just gnome-volume-manager, pmount etc don't seem to like ntfs-3g. But my care factor about ntfs volumes has never been enough to actually try.
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10:07<spar74n>themill so ntfs-3g will mount it right if i put into fstab?
10:07<spar74n>themill i need rw on the drive
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10:09<themill>spar74n: have you just tried mounting this sucker at the command line yet?
10:10<spar74n>themill just a sec
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10:11<DTE>me: give a look here
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10:23<me>DTE: thx but this is only for smtp. i would like to deactivate imap or pop3 login without tls.
10:23<themill>me: postfix has nothing to do with imap and pop3 logins.
10:24<lupine>courier is easy enough to configure like that
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10:28<me>ok then could u say me how to do it with courier? (i got courier)
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10:29<me>i've allready tried to find a solution with courier but also with no result :(
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10:30<OdyX_>speaking about wireless... How do you "roam" ? I use wpa_supplicant as "daemon", but it is not that satisfactory (it does not "always" reconnect after suspend) I know about NetworkManager, but I can't get to connect without X...
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10:33<dutch>I did a Lenny netinstall on my laptop, and I'm getting two GDM login screens, not quite identical. First one looks to be a bit larger font/resolution, I login, than it goes back to terminal mode, and a second GDM screen (correct font size/resolution) pops up. All is well after this. I googled for it, but havent' solved it yet. Any ideas?
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10:49<flixh>I've been trying all suggestions on (though my laptop is whitelisted anyway) on my lenny laptop without success. When resuming the hd light comes up for a few seconds and the machine is not accessible at all (no caps lock, no sysrq, only power cycling works). Funny enough this was working with Feisty until I switched to Lenny two weeks ago. Somebody got any more pointers, please?
10:49<DTE>me: you couuld just open courier-*-ssl
10:50<bill_>alguem do brasil??
10:50<dpkg>it has been said that rescue is at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
10:50<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:51<zedboy> hmmm, what character is 0x20
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10:54<padski>zedboy, SPC
10:54<zedboy>hm yeah :)
10:54<padski>zedboy, try me with another ;-)
10:55<zedboy>so why is my "sed 's/\n//g' test.txt" not killing the newlines?
10:55<zedboy>even sed 's/[\n\r]//g' test.txt doesn't do it
10:56<padski>zedboy, 5.10
10:56<padski>zedboy, sometimes an easy option is to use tr
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11:04<dutch>I did a Lenny netinstall on my laptop, and I'm getting two GDM login screens, not quite identical. First one looks to be a bit larger font/resolution, I login, than it goes back to terminal mode, and a second GDM screen (correct font size/resolution) pops up. All is well after this. I googled for it, but havent' solved it yet. Any ideas?
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11:05<heavygears>vous parler francais
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11:06<zedboy>oh too bad i did
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11:06<dutch>well - you obviously speak English - any chance you might be able to help me with my GDM login prob? :o)
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11:07<zedboy>dutch: are there two 'SXXgdm' entries in /etc/rc2.d/ ?
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11:07<Guest1624>spiking spanis_
11:07<dutch>zedboy: I'll check it out l8r on my lunch. I think I've checked that already - maybe missed it...
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11:07<zedboy>dutch: someone's starting gdm who shouldn't :)
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11:08<dutch>"someone's" head is gonna get knocked around
11:08<Guest1624>a in argentina
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11:08<Guest1624>and you
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11:21<bzz>hi all, I can't install debian. On step "Detect CD-ROM" error: cdrom not found :( can anyone help me? I try r0-r3 - trouble anywhere ( sorry my bad english, éà ðóöêèé :(
11:21<Bsims>stupod question, is sid currently in an installable state from lenny cd installs?
11:22<zedboy>Bsims: why not?
11:22<Bsims>heh well sometimes sid isn't, I am debating going back to straight debian after ubuntu
11:25<themill>bzz: have you tried other live-cds in the past that worked?
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11:29<bzz>themill: Live-CD ?:) I did't see that :) But i try install debian with USB flash, with network - install was successfull, system work fine. But when i insert cd, result - 0, cdrom not work
11:29<warren>Aptitude tells me bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery')
11:30<warren>I found db4.2_recover and executed it, but the problem remained.
11:30<warren>Moreover, there is no manpage for the recover tool.
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11:33<s_i_m>bzz, can you at least mount your cd and see the files?
11:33<bzz>s_i_m: no. it not exists in /dev/
11:34<s_i_m>solome__, the problem is with the drive, not with the disk?
11:34<zedboy>bzz: read your dmesg. is it being detected by your controller?
11:34<s_i_m>so theф*
11:34<s_i_m>cannot type today
11:35<s_i_m>that was "so that"
11:35<s_i_m>solome__, sorry for misfire ;)
11:36<bzz>zedboy: no, i can't see my cdrom there (
11:36<themill>bzz: it what is your chipset?
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11:36<warren>Can I reinitialize the database somehow? Also: what data base? It's apt-list-changes, btw.
11:36<bzz>themill: p965
11:37<Gathond>warren: it is a known bug, look in the bug tracker
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11:37<Gathond>warren: it is apt-listchanges that fails though, so I doubt it has any really ill effects
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11:39<munga>anybody using nagios here : how can I monitor if a number of websites are up and running (using a simple check_urls kinda of service ?)
11:39<themill>bzz: it might be that a newer kernel is needed for that chipset. The 965 chipset is well supported by 2.6.22 but I'm not sure about 2.6.18. I'm pretty sure that I ended upgrading mrs themill's machine to 2.6.22 to cope with that. It's available on /msg dpkg bpo
11:40<twb>Support I have both testing and unstable in my sources.list, and I'm idly looking for interesting things to upgrade from unstable. Is there a way to sort by the "difference", as it were, between the foo/testing and foo/unstable versions?
11:40<warren>Gathond, I cannot find a full text search input field and I don't know the exact package name.
11:40<twb>For example, sorting bash 2.x -> 3.x high, but a libfoo x-2 -> x-4 low.
11:41<bzz>themill: hmm, in debian 4.0 kernel 2.6.22. or not ? :)
11:41<themill>twb: there's apt-show-versions that might help
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11:41<themill>bzz: debian 4.0 comes with 2.6.18 but you can upgrade that to 2.6.22 using
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11:42<bzz>themill: thanks :) i will try it :)
11:42<warren>Gathond: I found this:, but it's only the same database error, not a package management related package.
11:43<Gathond>search for the apt-listchanges package, there is 4 entries marked as wontfix about this issue
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11:43<themill>!dbugs 469221
11:43<dpkg>#469221:G[apt-listchanges] apt-listchanges: Failed with "bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError" error; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:12:12 UTC
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11:47<themill>warren: there is also a couple of solutions/workarounds for you in the bug I referenced.
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11:50<warren>themill: thanks, but I already read the complete bug report. (and solved it with those work-arounds)
11:51<themill>warren: :)
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11:51<warren>I tended to agree with Felix Homann, though.
11:52<flixh>I can get s2ram to work if I do 'rmmod thermal processor' before trying to suspend. Anybody got any idea why this is needed with Lenny and why is wasn't needed with Feisty?
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11:54<themill>flixh: different kernel? That's a bit of an odd problem though.
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11:54<flixh>themill: probably, 2.6.18 or 2.6.20 i think as compared to 2.6.22
11:55<themill>flixh: Normally such things get better with newer kernels, but you never know :(
11:56<themill>especially with s2ram
11:56<flixh>themill: the question is where to start searching for the root cause...
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11:58<themill>flixh: you could try #kernelnewbies and see if they have any inspiration on that front. You're getting into scary and often-changing territory with s2ram stuff. Few kernel developers understand it and I would be surprised if anyone here did other than at the most superficial level.
11:59<flixh>themill: i guess so. I'll go and see #kernelnewbies
12:00<flixh>themill: thanks
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12:00<themill>have fun ;)
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12:02*zedboy hacks that sed
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12:10<DTE>anybody knows if inthe postfix 2.5.1 quota is implemented?
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12:19<padski>with tc, what do -s and -d do ?
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12:23<Engywuck>just start tc without options
12:24<Engywuck>it's shown on the last line of the short usage information ;-)
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12:24<Engywuck>but you could file a bugreport for it, stating that these options should be explained in the man-page
12:24<Engywuck>-s ist statistics, -d is details
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12:26<padski>Engywuck, thanks
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12:35<bcochofel>Hi, where can I find java jdk5 for sarge?
12:35<bcochofel>I know sarge is an old one, but I need to have this deb for sarge
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12:36<blarson>bcochofel: Have you looked in non-free?
12:36<bcochofel>blarson: I've tried deb sarge main contrib non-free restricted and
12:36<bcochofel>deb sarge main contrib non-free
12:36<bcochofel>no good
12:37<themill>bcochofel: you do know that sarge is EOL at the end of this month, don't you.... :)
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12:37<bcochofel>at least apt-cache search {java,sun,jdk} doesn't get me nowhere
12:37<bcochofel>themill: yep
12:37<bcochofel>and I've told that to my boss
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12:38<themill>bcochofel: sun-java5-* are in sarge-backports (
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12:38<bcochofel>themill: how can I install that on sarge?
12:38<bcochofel>just go there and download the deb ?
12:39<themill>!tell bcochofel about bpo
12:39<themill>bcochofel: read the instructions on that website for "oldstable"
12:39<themill>bcochofel: there will be more than one package to install, so you want to do it via apt-get and not just by downloading the debs.
12:40<themill>bcochofel: but of course sarge->etch is getting important here... /msg dpkg sarge->etch and hit your boss over the head a few times.
12:40<bcochofel>themill: I've tried that, no good
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12:43<Engywuck>then hit hime some more
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12:43<Engywuck>or just silently upgrade ;-)
12:44<ranix>I'm trying to compile a program with gcc. What is the -lGL switch? I'm getting "cannot fine lGL"
12:44<ranix>there's also a -lGLX that I'm fairly sure won't work
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12:45<ranix>'apt-cache search libgl' returns libraries that eitehr don't look correct for the task I'm trying to do, or that I already have
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12:46<pumpkin0>ranix: you need the -dev packages, not the normal binaries.
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12:47<ranix>pumpkin0: I don't know which library contains libgl.a
12:47<ranix>pumpkin0: How do I find it?
12:47<themill>ranix: apt-file is your friend
12:48<pumpkin0>ranix: that is libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev.
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12:48<cTATUK>Does anyone have an Etch Mixxx v1.6.0beta2 binary?
12:49<ranix>apt-file! thanks themill
12:49<themill>ranix: and be careful of upper/lower case in that... it's libGL.a
12:49<ranix>thanks also pumpkin0
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13:14<sasha>hi , about 6 years ago i was using madrake , there were some high quality stardict dictionaries that i cannot find in the official debian rep or ever on the stardict site does anybody have any clue of where to find it ?
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13:16<Bert>Hi all. I have 8 GB of ram, what will me the recommended swap space? I would take 4-8 GB max, but the debian installer suggests 24 GB?
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13:17<themill>Bert: I presume you won't be wanting to do suspend-to-disk very often on that sort of beast...?
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13:19<Bert>no :p
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13:21<cTATUK>12 should probably be fine
13:22<Bert>really so big?
13:22<jaski>Hi folks, I'm running the 2.6.18-5-686 kernel on legacy hardware. Can anyone please point me to a driver for a Lexmark series 810 printer? :P
13:22<cTATUK>it's usually a good idea to have a swap space with a factor > 1.0 compared to your RAM
13:22<Bert>i don't know what to do with it :-) if i should have low memory, i would double the amount
13:22<Bert>ha id
13:22<Bert>ha ic
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13:23<Bert>ok, then we take 12 :p
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13:23<cTATUK>debian just uses a factor of 3 by default but seeing as how you have 8GB ... a factor of 1.5 would be fine
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13:23<Bert>ok thanks
13:24<bo4>any faq/readme about ipw2200 in Sid?
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13:24<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>.
13:24<themill>that's pretty old information.
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13:26<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>.
13:26<bo4>thanks a lot so far
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13:27<bo4>ditch the last line
13:28<themill>dpkg: ipw2200 is also see
13:28<dpkg>that's too long, themill
13:28<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
13:28<dpkg>no, stupid themill
13:28<jaski>Actually, all I want just now is _any_ info on printing with a Lexmark series 810
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13:35<jaski>'Bye now
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14:01<dpkg>enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client, or
14:01<jMCg>dpkg: ask?
14:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
14:02<jMCg>petterson: What exactly is happening and in what way does it differ from what you want to be happening?
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14:02<jMCg>And of course, my favourite:
14:02<petterson>How do I install termcap-compat in my debian etch (amd64)
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14:03<petterson>Thank you for your prompt reply
14:03<Engywuck>hmmm, that's a package that's only in oldstable now...
14:04<Engywuck>is ir really necessary for etch?
14:04<themill>!wayttd petterson
14:04<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, petterson?
14:04<petterson>my problem is: I'm trying to install compiere in my machine
14:04<petterson>for that I need the enterprisedb
14:04<jMCg>petterson: read the link.
14:04<petterson>and when I try to install enterprisedb, it complains about not having the termcap
14:05<petterson>thank you
14:05<Engywuck>it describes there how to "fake" termcap
14:05<jMCg>ln -s?
14:05<petterson>wow, this support is REALLY effective
14:06<Engywuck>depends on the time of day and the question ;-)
14:06<jMCg>petterson: all we do is google and query the bot :P
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14:06<bcochofel>Hi, I need to compile pljava under sarge, can anyone tell me where can I get the source?
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14:07<jMCg>bcochofel: klix0r download.
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14:07<bcochofel>jMCg: thx
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14:08<jMCg>bcochofel: alternatively you can just apt-cache search pljava
14:09<jMCg>And see if that suits your needs -- be that for compiling or for actually using.
14:11<bcochofel>jMCg: I get no result
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14:12<jMCg>bcochofel: ah, sarge, you said -- wel still depends on what stuff you have enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list -- I have main, contrib and non-free enabled.
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14:12<bcochofel>jMCg: me too
14:12<jMCg>bcochofel: then it doesn't come with Sarge.
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14:13<Engywuck>is it in bpo perhaps?
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14:14<petterson>the link you send me is for i386, not amd64
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14:17<rjent>Greetings, would anyone know how to use something like wput to upload to a paste info to a site like
14:18<themill>!pastebin pipe
14:18<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
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14:19<themill>rjent: many pastebins are now preventing you from using direct upload as they were being used by spammers
14:19<rjent>themill: I would like to use it for program diags to be sent to the paste site. Do you have a site that you know I can do this?
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14:20<themill>rjent: ^^ what dpkg just said. You can request an "api key" for yourself from too.
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14:24<petterson>How do I install termcap-compat in my debian etch (amd64) -- (the link you send me where i386)
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14:24<svirusek>hi all
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14:25<svirusek>im looking for some1 who know how to install "games" from wirtualna polska? any1 pls
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14:26<themill>petterson: you can't. Please read those pages more carefully.
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14:29<petterson>I read them carefully, sorry, but I couldn't figure out a solution by myself. Are you saying that there is no solution?
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14:30<dpkg>from memory, termcap is the old fashioned way of describing terminal capabilities and has not been used by debian since sarge. If you want to compile a program that claims to need termcap, try the ncurses termcap emulation instead. It's as simple as linking with ncurses instead of libtermcap (i.e. replace the '-ltermcap' with '-lncurses' in the makefile) and /etc/termcap is not required.
14:30<rjent>dpkg and themill thanks
14:30<themill>petterson: ^^ (i.e. replace the '-ltermcap' with '-lncurses'
14:30<petterson>And if I don't have the sources?
14:31<themill>petterson: I thought you said earlier you were trying to compile this package?
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14:31<themill>am I horribly confused?
14:32<petterson>no, I'm trying to install enterprisedb
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14:34<themill>petterson: this sounds horrible.....
14:35<petterson>is it possible to install oracle instead?
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14:38<themill>petterson: we don't have a lot of motivation to spend our spare time providing support for software that someone else changes $$ for. You'd probably be better off going back to the people that you are buying these things from and asking them.
14:38<petterson>right you are
14:38<petterson>I'm giving up compiere
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14:39<petterson>thank you themill
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14:40<themill>petterson: good luck ;)
14:40<JohnGH>Can anyone recommend a tool for managing my exim4 mailq? I tried installing pfqueue, which looked like it might do the job, but it segfaults when I try and launch it.
14:40<petterson>And do you have spare time to give me some tips of how to install openoffice 2.3 in AMD64 / debian etch?
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14:41<Engywuck>use bpo
14:41<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
14:42<JohnGH>petterson: Do you know how to install packages normally?
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14:42<petterson>most of the time yes
14:42<Milo_Minderbinder>Hello People
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14:43<petterson>I just could't find a distribution for AMD64
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14:44<Milo_Minderbinder>can anyone tell me, why i'm getting this fail so many times ?
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14:44<JohnGH>Milo_Minderbinder: yes, because you don't have the correct paperwork.
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14:44<Bretos>from poland?
14:45<JohnGH>of course, if you had the paperwork you wouldn't worry about the fail
14:45<Milo_Minderbinder>yes, poland
14:47<JohnGH>Milo_Minderbinder: what do you mean a fail? it looks normal... are you saying it hangs at that point?
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14:48<Milo_Minderbinder>it something like that: i'm working on the ubuntu (7.10) and suddenly i'm getting this screen
14:48<JohnGH>(I think the problem may be that the flash is directed straight back at the camera)
14:48<Milo_Minderbinder>and screen returning to the loging
14:48<themill>Milo_Minderbinder: try pressing Alt+F7
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14:48<JohnGH>Milo_Minderbinder: you mean a text mode console with a login prompt?
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14:49<Milo_Minderbinder>no, it's something like a bluescreen in windows
14:49<JohnGH>Milo_Minderbinder: thanks for the clue - That is not a Debian screen, that's and Ubuntu screen - this is not #Ubuntu, you're on the wrong channel.
14:49<Milo_Minderbinder>i don't do anything, and this screen's comeing...
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14:50<Milo_Minderbinder>I'm sorry, i'll visit Ubuntu's channel
14:50<themill>Milo_Minderbinder: on
14:51<JohnGH>Milo_Minderbinder: That's not like a bluescreen - those are perfectly normal startup messages - it just looks like you're missing something - but you'd need to ask Ubuntu people
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14:51<Bretos>did u install server x?
14:51<JohnGH>Debian startup messages look MUCH nicer than those ones!
14:51<JohnGH>Bretos: stop trying to confuse him
14:52<Milo_Minderbinder>i have no idea what is 'server x' it...
14:52<Milo_Minderbinder>i'm a new one :)
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14:52<JohnGH>Milo_Minderbinder: we noticed ;o)
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14:57<petterson>JohnGH: is there a normal package available for openoffice 2.3 (amd64)?
14:57<_ZeuZ_>Guys, what do you say of the 2.6.25 kernel?
14:57<_ZeuZ_>petterson: what are you running? lenny/sid/etch/experimental?
14:57<themill>_ZeuZ_: it hasn't been released yet.
14:58<_ZeuZ_>I'm hoping for it so my bcm34xx card can work again...
14:58<petterson>I'm running the one that comes with debian etch (2.0)
14:58<JohnGH>_ZeuZ_: Careful, I hear it's got GPL in it and that's supposed to be like a virus!
14:58<petterson>_Zeuz_: and I'm wondering if it is possible to install 2.3
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14:58<themill>petterson: 2.3.1 is on for etch.
14:58<_ZeuZ_>petterson: yes, it is... through backports
14:59<_ZeuZ_>or merging the distros
14:59<_ZeuZ_>JohnGH: Why do you say that? xD
15:00<JohnGH>_ZeuZ_: have a google for it - it's all over the Net!
15:00<JohnGH>petterson: is there something in particular you want from that version?
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15:02<petterson>'m pretty new into linux ... please, be patient, lol
15:02<petterson>John, just want to try it
15:02<JohnGH>petterson: why do you want 2.3? what's wrong with 2.0.4?
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15:03<themill>petterson: unless there are things that you particularly want from the new version, don't bother. (For me, there were some real reasons to upgrade to 2.3, but I'm hardly your typical OOo user, apparently....)
15:03<modnar>hey guys if i wanted to host a repo of sorts locally how would i go about doing that?
15:04<_ZeuZ_>Hmm... I don't see nothing too bad related to the 2.6.25 but the probabilitie of more regressions rather than fixes... I just want my bcm43xx card working again xD and without moving backwards to a previous kernel...
15:04<JohnGH>Ah, OK - well if it was me... and I really wanted to try it and wanted to keep my machine on etch... I'd install a virtual machine like with qemu (I'm used to using VMWare Player myself) - built a minimal Lenny machine using the Debian NetInst ISO image and try installing the 2.3.1-5 that comes with Lenny (that supports AMD64)
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15:04<JohnGH>of course I'm guessing that you get AMD64 in VMWare or qemu and not just i386 emulation - but then if you get the version you want it probably doesn't matter too much, as long as it works.
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15:06<JohnGH>modnar: do you want to put your own packages in? or are you trying to save bandwidth between your LAN and the Net?
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15:07<petterson>Thank you all for your help
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15:08<_ZeuZ_>i don't find nothing too bad related to the 2.6.25 but the probabilitie of more regressions rather than fixes... I just want my bcm43xx card working again xD and without moving backwards to a previous kernel...
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15:08<ex>hey guys
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15:08<JohnGH>_ZeuZ_: did you search for GPL and viral?
15:09<_ZeuZ_>I only searched for 2.6.25 and read the changelog...
15:09<modnar>sorry i head to use the restroom
15:09<modnar>save bandwidth between lan and net
15:09<_ZeuZ_>if you can get me an article where it's mistreated, I'll read it
15:10<ex>it is offtopic but.. could you please tell me what do you think on Russian website
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15:10<JohnGH>_ZeuZ_: *sigh* I offer a paid Googling service if you're interested :o)
15:10<JohnGH>modnar: cool, OK
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15:11<_ZeuZ_>Damn, I didn't knew of a virus that affected Linux and Windows as well in the same variant...
15:11<modnar>yeah i just do a lot of VM installs to play around and break things
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15:11<modnar>and i don't like the idea of hogging down 200-600 megs every couple days because i like top lay around
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15:12<modnar>on top of that it would just be nice to have it readily availible on my net
15:12<modnar>err LAN
15:12<JohnGH>modnar: there are lots of good articles around on that... what did you Google for? Did you read this?
15:12<_ZeuZ_>err... @google 2.6.25 viral .... not much intresing there
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15:13<_ZeuZ_>!2.6.25 viral
15:13<modnar>yeah i did some googling didn't know how to phrase it so i kept getting things that weren't what i wanted but close
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15:13<JohnGH>_ZeuZ_: do you have trouble reading?
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15:13<_ZeuZ_>just keywords search.
15:13<_ZeuZ_>I find nothing weird with it appart from the place where It can get even more regressions
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15:14<modnar>thanks johnGH
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15:14<modnar>i'll read through this this looks to be exaclyt what i wanted
15:14<ranix_>hey guys, how do I find a library? which/whereis don't work
15:15<ranix_>I'm looking for xlib.h
15:15<JohnGH>modnar: you might also find it helps to run aptitude update then aptitude -d upgrade in the middle of the night which downloads all the packages you're going to need while you're not worrying about the bandwidth
15:15<ranix_>a header file, not a library
15:15<JohnGH>modnar: you're welcome
15:15<JohnGH>that way, when you go to install your upgrades they're all sitting there locally waiting for you and you don't need to wait for them to download.
15:16<themill>ranix_: probably in x11proto-core-dev
15:16<ranix_>themill: I want to actually read the .h file, do you know how I find it on my system?
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15:17<JohnGH>ranix_: do you have updatedb/locate installed?
15:17<themill>ranix_: apt-file
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15:17<JohnGH>ranix_: if you do and it's building the update database you can just go locate xlib.h
15:17<ranix_>thanks johngh
15:17<JohnGH>ranix_: you're welcome
15:17<_ZeuZ_>apt-get install locate updatedb && updatedb
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15:18<JohnGH>it's like doing: find / -name xlib.h - but it does all the filesystem intensive bits at a convenient time.
15:18<themill>that assumes that the file is actually installed, and I'll bet that it's not...
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15:19<JohnGH>_ZeuZ_: no, more like: aptitude install mlocate && updatedb
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15:22<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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15:23<JohnGH>dpkg pwns
15:23<dpkg>methinks pwns is a better way of saying owns
15:23<Engywuck>is löl better? ;-)
15:23<JohnGH>live: you sound like a copycat
15:23<JohnGH>Engywuck: no, it comes out as löl on my terminal
15:24<live>better than bill gats )
15:24<Engywuck>that was how it was written, JohnGH :)
15:24<jaakko>I don't know about kernel, but Debian will be a mess when GPLv3 packages are compined with GPLv2
15:24<JohnGH>live: is that a brand of electric guitar?
15:24<live>I mean bill Gates
15:24<Engywuck>why so, jaako?
15:24<JohnGH>Engywuck: as in l à ¶ l ?
15:25<Engywuck>nope, as correct umlaut
15:25<jaakko>It is so complicated and not clear, which programs and libraries can be legally distributed together
15:25<themill>JohnGH: tell your irc client that you are using utf-8 encoding.
15:25<Engywuck>ö in HTML :)
15:25<JohnGH>oh - I saw and pasted back l à ¶ l - your terminal corrected it back to o:
15:25<JohnGH>themill: ircII in xterm
15:26<JohnGH>well EPIC4 actually
15:26<Engywuck>is there a problem for distributing Package A with GLPv2 and GPLv3 together?
15:26<themill>JohnGH: and possibly also a decent locale for your xterm....
15:26<jaakko>I think it is quite funny, that FSF is talking about freedom, but you can not combine two programs published under GPL "freedom" (and distribute it)
15:26<JohnGH>themill: nah, my machine's set up to be American - myt home machine is my UK machine and does all my European stuff right
15:27<jaakko>Engywuck: yes, if they are linking, even dynamically together.
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15:27<Engywuck>then that's a problem of the program writer
15:28<valdyn>Engywuck: the gpl does not and did not ever restrict what other software you ship it with
15:28<jaakko>Well, the program writer may not know, which version of library is distributed under some distro
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15:28<jaakko>valdyn: no, but linking to libraries is not allowed. Search for debian-legal for eg lisp emacs
15:29<valdyn>jaakko: sure, thats why most libraries are not gpl
15:29<Engywuck>why don't you give a link?
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15:29<Engywuck>and LGPL is what's specifically made for Libs+#
15:30<JohnGH>ask _ZeuZ_, he's a bit of an expert on GPL
15:30<valdyn>jaakko: gpl for libraries is just popular among compenies like trolltech, not really in free software
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15:31<jaakko>valdyn: gpl or lgpl is most common in debian I think
15:31<live>how can I install latest opera on sarge?
15:31<valdyn>jaakko: its a huge difference if something is gpl OR lgpl
15:31<Engywuck>although the FSF now disencourages tthe use of LGPL
15:31<JohnGH>jaakko: do you reckon that's got anything to do with the fact it's been around for longer? :o)
15:32*Engywuck *sighs*
15:32<valdyn>jaakko: you cannot take both as the same
15:32<JohnGH>live: why are you using sarge?
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15:32<live>JohnHG: because of really old hardware
15:32<jaakko>valdyn: I'm not taking. But gpl is a common library in debian.
15:32<valdyn>Engywuck: yea, i know..
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15:33<valdyn>jaakko: that is really quite irrelevant and unrelated to a library being gpl, which is much less common
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15:33<JohnGH>live: How would you normally insall Opera?
15:33<valdyn>jaakko: i suppose you wanted to say "common license"
15:33<JohnGH>live: is there a problem with doing it the normal way?
15:34<live>JohnGH: apt-get install opera has no effect
15:34<JohnGH>they even have a sarge package of 9.26 - but why would you want to use that it's not opensource! ;oP
15:34<jaakko>valdyn: yes, there are many gpl licensed libraries/modules, at least in my debian system.
15:34<JohnGH>live: Opera isn't in Debian because it's not opensource - so it's bad, evil, wrong, stealing your freedomware
15:35<jaakko>valdyn: If they are GPLv2, and some GPLv3 program uses them, it is a violation.
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15:35<JohnGH>but if you *really* want to pollute your system with it (so you can have a tool that actually works on braindead websites that break in iceweasel) then go to and download the .deb
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15:35<jaakko>(but there is a "system library" exception in GPLv3, which is not too clear expression)
15:35<live>JohnGH: but it needs lesser RAM than Firefox
15:36<JohnGH>live: google: opera - then hit the download link
15:36<JohnGH>live: try Firefox 1.5 instead of iceweasel - it's much smaller and faster :o) even though they don't encourage you to use it now.
15:36<Engywuck>!tell live about opera
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15:37<valdyn>ff1.5 faster than ff2.0 ?
15:37<Engywuck>i'd assume that most gplv2 licensed progs use the "or later" clause
15:37<Engywuck>most notable exception: the kernel
15:37<valdyn>many do
15:37<live>JohnGH: I have firefx 1.0.4 and its a lttle bit slw even with swap
15:37<JohnGH>valdyn: I'm not promising speed, I'm promising the need for less RAM
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15:39<JohnGH>live: depends what pages you want to go to, there are some much smaller faster browsers out there... have you tried dillo or netsurf?
15:40<live> have tried dillo but if I want to visit a page with flash dillo is a bad choise
15:40<JohnGH>live: if resources are really that much of an issue. You may even find elinks can help you a lot - if you edit your config to lie about your user agent you can even surfe facebook with elinks
15:41<valdyn>live: use a webkit based browser
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15:41<JohnGH>live: if you want flash you're using the wrong computer if your machine is so slow you have to use sarge!
15:41<valdyn>live: konqueror or whatever
15:42<JohnGH>valdyn: don't be so mean! why would you send someone to install konqueror which requires great sodding big KDE if they're on old hardware?
15:42<valdyn>JohnGH: firefox alone takes more ram than a kde desktop
15:42<JohnGH>I don't even use KDE or Gnome on my fast machines!!! fluxbox and GTK
15:42<live>I will get a faster machine at my birthday
15:42<JohnGH>live: :)
15:43<live>but Im not sure which OS would be better: ubuntu r etch
15:43<JohnGH>valdyn: yeah, but having a webbrowser is productive, having an entire KDE subsytem chewing resources just to run a web browser isn't really is it?
15:43<valdyn>midori probably would be the lightest "complete" browser, if it was stable
15:43<JohnGH>live: I just use Lenny now - it's great
15:43<valdyn>JohnGH: he would be supposed to just use kde apps, naturally
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15:44<live>JohnHG: But I need this mor or less fast machine for apps like 3DS MAX
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15:45<JohnGH>live: depends on what you want it for really though. When we were comparing Debian and Ubuntu at work - Ubuntu had some pretty stuff, but Debian ran faster and smoother and much more reliably - Ubuntu was prone to things going *pop* and dissapearing like Red Hat apps do.
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15:45<Bert>hmmm, ext3 has a maximum blocksize of 4 MB?
15:46<valdyn>Bert: no
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15:46<live>JohnHG: I have tried Ubuntu live CD on PC of my big brother and GNOME looked great (in compare with XFree86)
15:46<dutch>I get two gdm login screens: login the first one, then goes back to terminal screen and I get the second gdm login screen. I'm all for security, but this is kinda nuts... :o) I checked /etc/rc2.d and only one Sxx gdm appears. Any other suggestions?
15:46<valdyn>!confuse live
15:46<dpkg>No, those was my hamster today, live? shirts of the monarchy of belarus with extra ham
15:46<jaakko>I downloaded some time ago this browser: But I can't remember if tested it at all.
15:46<JohnGH>Bert: you don't want blocks larger than your page size :o)
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15:47<live>Will GNOME ook the same way on etch?
15:47<zedboy>what's the command that gives you the name of a file up to the . ?
15:47<zedboy>eg "foo" for "foo.txt"
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15:48<JohnGH>live: Gnome is gnome... it's very customizable... no, it will have differnt skinds and differnt config, but you could make it the same if you wanted.
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15:48<Bert>JohnGH: my page size? how can i check my page size?
15:48<Bert>or do you mean my swap by that?
15:48<valdyn>Bert: why are you messing with this?
15:48<JohnGH>zedboy : FILE=foo.txt;echo ${FILE%.txt}
15:48<Bert>i have a 1.2 TB disc and i want to put large files (minimum file size is 2 GB big)
15:49<zedboy>JohnGH: hm, that's a way to do it. There's a command that truncates file names
15:49<live>JohnGH: but I have read that ubuntu is better for gaming
15:49<valdyn>Bert: you probably should not use ext3 for that
15:49<JohnGH>skinds = skins
15:49<Bert>are there other options for big files then valdyn?
15:49<valdyn>Bert: ext3 would still be the recommendation for maximum security of your data
15:49<JohnGH>live: do you want pretty, or do you want performance and stability?
15:49<valdyn>Bert: but its absolutely not made for large files
15:50<live>JhnGH: both ;)
15:50<valdyn>Bert: xfs is made for large files.
15:50<JohnGH>zedboy: why would you want to shell out to a commend when you can do it intrisically in your bash shell?
15:51<JohnGH>zedboy: there are lots of commands that can do it... like echo foo.txt | sed 's/\.txt$//g;'
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15:51<jaakko>live: then it is Debian ;)
15:51<zedboy>JohnGH: what I'm thinking of may actually be a shell builtin, but it really only bugs me because I used to use this command all the time and now I can't remember it
15:51<JohnGH>commend = command
15:51<zedboy>JohnGH: yeah I was gonna do it with sed. but there's enough sed in the script I'm working on anyhow.
15:51<JohnGH>zedboy: are you thinking of basename / dirname which operate on file names up to the last / ?
15:52<zedboy>JohnGH: ya!
15:52<zedboy>JohnGH: tho your way is more elegant.
15:52<live>will 8500GT work with etch?
15:52<zedboy>JohnGH: I always used basename in my Makefiles tho.
15:52<JohnGH>zedboy: don't use sed if you're in a bash script and just need to chop .txt off the end - much less memory and processor and disk IO to use ${FILE%.txt}
15:53<zedboy>JohnGH: the line in question reads: sed 's/-//g;s/\r//g' $i | sed 'N;s/\n//g' | sed 's/^\x7C\x20*//g;s/\x20*\x7C$//g;s/\x20*\x7C\x20*/,/g' >${i%.txt}.csv
15:53<JohnGH>ARGH!!!! :-((((
15:53<Bert>ok thanks valdyn
15:53<zedboy>JohnGH: yeah pretty scary.
15:53<JohnGH>zedboy: dude you should really by ashamed to swear like that in channel!
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15:54<dutch>bump: I get two gdm login screens: login the first one, then goes back to terminal screen and I get the second gdm login screen. I'm all for security, but this is kinda nuts... :o) I checked /etc/rc2.d and only one Sxx gdm appears. Any other suggestions?
15:54<valdyn>Bert: check your workload if fs performance really is relevant
15:54<JohnGH>zedboy: you'd probably get a lot better performance using the same syntax in a single Perl script than all those sed pipes
15:55<zedboy>JohnGH: so believe it or not, my Access hacker wasn't able to export a normal CSV from a macro (even tho you can manually) - just a text file with pipes and dashes drawing in the cell borders. That sed nightmare converts the file to CSV
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15:55<zedboy>JohnGH: under normal circumstances this won't run on very big files so i don't really care
15:55<valdyn>Bert: i.e. does it really matter that ext3 taks a huge amount of time to delete one of your less than 1000 files
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15:55<zedboy>JohnGH: tho my karma has definitely gone down a lot :)
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15:57<JohnGH>zedboy: I really wouldn't trust something like that - sure as eggs is eggs there will be a case you haven't thought of htat breaks it and will corrupt your data.
15:58<JohnGH>zedboy: if it's CSV conversion you're doing I'd even more recommend a Perl program -but use a CSV conversion module, that way an expert who has thought it all out has designed a safe filter, and hundreds of usuers have tested it for bugs.
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15:59<zedboy>JohnGH: the "right" way to do this is to have Access just output the csv itself as it's more than capable of doing - and hopefully we'll figure that out soon. but in the meantime i can work on testing the rest of this fairly evil apparatus (dos heist the automagical SalesForce importer)
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16:01<JohnGH>zedboy: I'd race you using - beat you every time and get the data right :o)
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16:03<_ZeuZ_> I've set the kernel to have power governor enabled (built-in) still, at system boot time, it says it's disabled... what is happenin?
16:04<JohnGH>Has anyone here at the moment ever used pfqueue? it looks like it might be what I need - and if that's what's in Debian perhaps there aren't a lot of alternatives.
16:04<zedboy>JohnGH: you gotta find out if this Text::CSV can read my resporkulous data files
16:05<Bert>you are correct valdyn, i better switch to XFS. thanks
16:06<JohnGH>zedboy: can you paste your sed syntax on a pastebin website for me? I'll see if I can't bring you some Perl back.
16:07<Bert>valdyn, perhaps an additional question, i notice you know something about filesystems: what's best: 1 XFS partition of 1.2 TB or 3x 400 GB XFS partition
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16:07<Bert>for ext3 i took 3x 400 because of filecheck/repair time
16:08<JohnGH>Bert: what's best, a 300mA battery, or 3 100mA batteries in parallel?
16:09<Bert>you are correct JohnGH, in some way :-)
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16:10<Engywuck>the best would be using a fourth 400GB and hardware-Raid5 on a *good* controller
16:10<JohnGH>zedboy: where are your double quotes to protect records if there are , characters in the data?
16:10<Engywuck>if you don't have too many extremely large files I'd recommend 3 parttitons
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16:11<JohnGH>zedboy: or your double double quotes to protect double quotes if htere are commas and double quotes in the data?
16:11<zedboy>JohnGH: hehe you have high expectations of Access :)
16:11<zedboy>JohnGH: but we can assume the data is clean of commas & quotes
16:12<Engywuck>because even in the case one is filled with files of exactly the same size the average "cut" you get because it doesn't fit is half the filesie - which is neglible for 400GB-FS
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16:12<JohnGH>zedboy: I know your Access database has top knotch input validation and security ;o) - I've used it before!
16:12<zedboy>JohnGH: here's a little of the output file:
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16:12<zedboy>JohnGH: pretty horrific, no?
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16:17<JohnGH>zedboy: wasn't as horrific as the sed foo sent to munge it! :o)
16:18<JohnGH>zedboy: I think you'd find there are are access import modules as well :o)
16:19<JohnGH>time for going home from work now.... laters all
16:19<MethodOne>did anyone get garbled graphics when running sfte (package fte-terminal) on etch?
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16:19<zedboy>JohnGH: yeah and i probably could have done the same thing with php or python but i had "sed one-liner" in my mind's eye
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16:20<tq|Memphis>does anybody have information about gcc?
16:21<jaakko>tq|Memphis: the documents may be in "non-free"
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16:22<MethodOne>tq|Memphis: it's in the package gcc-doc
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16:24<Engywuck>"if sed's the answer you asked the wrong question" ;-)
16:24<zedboy>Engywuck: dude sed rocks.
16:24<Engywuck>i know i know
16:24<Engywuck>use it often enough
16:25<Engywuck>and actually the original quote was with eval ^^
16:25<Bert>define good controller? Areca 1110?
16:25<Bert>I have a 4x 400 gig on a areca 1110, found some good reviews about that controller
16:26<Engywuck>I've seen some *really* awful bash-scripts over the years
16:26<Engywuck>absolutely unmaintainable
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16:37<zedboy>Engywuck: when I want things maintainable i write python or maybe php
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16:39<grelle>how do I download a file over http from the shell? =)
16:39<_shai_>grelle: wget
16:39<grelle>(I should know this stuff already...)
16:39<grelle>_shai_: thanks!
16:39<zedboy>just telnet port 80.
16:40<jaakko>grelle: wget -O savefile.htm
16:40<_shai_>Not as convenient if it's a 500MB file :)
16:40<zedboy>that's why we need to use more ascii art. so much more efficient.
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16:41<_shai_>zedboy: I'm generally in favour of text based apps, but I prefer my porn to be more graphic than =<o>=.
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16:42<jaakko>_shai_: oh, you are so demanding
16:42<grelle>hmm...wget didn't like '(' in the URL. I tried \( instead, but it didn't seem to work.
16:42<jaakko>grelle: quote it 'htt...'
16:43<grelle>jaakko: that did it! =)
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16:47<grelle>I've got a sata controller driver that was released in April for Debian 4.0r0. Will that work with etch?
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16:48<grelle>etch is 4.0, right?
16:48<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
16:49<themill>grelle: but 4.0r0 is old; etch is now 4.0r3 and has a different kernel. Binary drivers might not work with the new kernel if the ABI has changed.
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16:50<grelle>hum...I simply installed the latest stable version of debian, I don't even know what version it is (except that it's etch). how do I check that?
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16:51<zedboy>grelle: cat /etc/debian_version ?
16:51<themill>grelle: the important thing is the kernel version. uname -r
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16:51<grelle>themill: It simply says 4.0
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16:51<themill>zedboy: that doesn't contain point releases
16:51<zedboy>grelle,themill: yeah sorry i didn't read the rest of the conversation :)
16:52<zedboy>grelle: I don't think there's any way to document what point release you're running - i mean, you could be running any combination of versions of stuff on top of a basic etch install.
16:54<grelle>zedboy: so there is no way of knowing if a binary driver will work?
16:54<lupine>basically, yes
16:54<lupine>the important thing for a binary kernel module is the kernel version
16:54<themill>that's one of the reasons why they are evil
16:54<grelle>I could compile it of course, but then I'd have to install loads of packages that I don't really need for anything else
16:54<zedboy>grelle: that's dependent only on kernel version
16:56<jaakko>zedboy: but insmod checks the version before inserting, isn't that enough?
16:56<zedboy>jaakko: if you have the version info compiled in - isn't that optional on driver modules?
16:58<jaakko>zedboy: Yes it is, I have it enabled.. but perhaps it is not in default kernel? Could you see it somewhere in /proc ?
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16:58<zedboy>jaakko: ummmm
16:59<zedboy>jaakko: it's in the kernel's symbol table
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17:05<panagos_>is there a guide for bug severities? i.e. when a bug report should be tagged as normal, important, etc by the reporter
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17:08<jaakko>Bugs.. Should I report a bug to debian package maintainer too or only to original developers?
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17:09<jaakko>OpenBox in etch has a bad bug which is now fixed in more recent versions. But I think it should be fixed in etch too.
17:10<lupine>report it to debian if it's in a debian package, and they'll cascade it upstream
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17:12<Engywuck>@panagos: see the descripion when starting reportbug
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17:21<grelle>well. the driver seems to work with the kernel (it's listed with modprobe), but it can't find any drives. has anyone managed to get an integrated VIA VT8237 SATA controller to work?
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17:32<whitehat>Hello, I need some help How do I make an adhock network on debian like you can do In windows?
17:32<grelle>is there any way to print status of a driver, or poke it to see what it's doing, or something/anything to see if it's alive at all?
17:32<jaakko>whitehat: read "man iwconfig"
17:33<whitehat>ok,i shall
17:33<jaakko>whitehat: eg. in /etc/network/interfaces wireless-mode ad-hoc
17:34<jaakko>(Ad-Hoc if it is case sensitive)
17:35<whitehat>I am confused how do I scan for wifi.
17:35<jaakko>whitehat: iwlist scanning
17:35<tingle>how can i see what version of debian im running i now what im running but i want to see it in a terminal output if possible
17:36<whitehat>lo Interface doesn't support scanning.
17:36<whitehat>eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
17:36<whitehat>eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning.
17:36<whitehat>sit0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
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17:37<whitehat>sorry for the flood
17:37<whitehat>that was my error
17:37<Supaplex>wtf de jour ala noobs
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17:38<jaakko>whitehat: you don't have a wireless driver?
17:38<whitehat>yes I do I have build in toshiba satelitte wifi
17:38<whitehat>oh crap wifi switch not on :(
17:39<whitehat>no it still dosen't work
17:39<whitehat>how do I install windows on a diffrent partion of my machine
17:39<whitehat>I'm sick of linux for now
17:40<jaakko>whitehat: do you have other partitions?
17:41<chealer>panagos_: no. you can check
17:41<Bert>hmm, i like my new xfs volume :p 424 MB/s
17:41<jaakko>whitehat: I'm sick sometimes too, but debian is the best thing you can hack wearing pants
17:41<whitehat>I just need a gui i'm sorry
17:42<whitehat>I still want linux to be there two
17:42<chealer>jaakko: depends. at least severe bugs should be reported to Debian too.
17:42<whitehat>I want to wifi my xbox and pc together
17:42<whitehat>and I can't :(]
17:43<jaakko>chealer: yes, I might test if they have updated the openbox and if not, then report a bug to debian.
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17:44<jaakko>chealer: the bug: if you change system clock backwards, it halts, you have to crash..
17:44<sysop>how can I see what I cpu's temp is from the command line?
17:44<sysop>what my cpu's temp is I mean.
17:45<sysop>and hi everyone.
17:45<jaakko>chealer: i think that is not supposed act of "stable" distribution.
17:46<chealer>!tell tingle about debian version
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17:46<jaakko>whitehat: You have the wifi card, but have you installed any driver, or googled if there is a driver for it?
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17:47<jaakko>whitehat: is it eth0 or eth1, or missing from the list?
17:47<chealer>jaakko: what halts? openbox?
17:47<whitehat>this computer is build in with wifi toshiba satellite
17:47<whitehat>it's a laptop with pre-confied wifi
17:48<jaakko>chealer: yes, openbox, not the system, but there is no way to get back in virtual terminal / console.
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17:48<chealer>jaakko: what happens when you try to switch to a tty?
17:49<jaakko>chealer: it would be nice have a other computer allways available to ssh for killing the X
17:49<jaakko>chealer: nothing
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17:50<chealer>jaakko: there's probably a lower-level bug too then
17:50<jaakko>chealer: ctrl-alt-bckspace, nothing
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17:50<avu>jaakko: tried magic sysrq r?
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17:51<avu>jaakko: (before trying to switch to a tty)
17:51<jaakko>avu: no, I did not know that
17:52<avu>jaakko: it often helps when a crashed X is hogging the keyboard, preventing you from switching to a tty
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17:54<whitehat>I am starting to hate linux
17:54<jaakko>avu: thanks, I will try that next time, if it ever happens. I have now self compiled version of openbox, no problems anymore.
17:54<whitehat>even though I love it
17:54<whitehat>Why does everthing have to be text why not some gui?
17:55<avu>gui shmui
17:55<Engywuck>because text ALWAYS works
17:55<Engywuck>also via ssh
17:55<avu>guis also work over ssh
17:55*avu ducks
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17:59<Engywuck>nut via modem, avu...
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18:27<trueno>Hi! anyone's got a synaptics touchpad working in sid? (xorg 7.3 and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 0.14.7~git20070706-2)
18:27<jaakko>trueno: at least in etch it is working well
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18:30<trueno>jaakko: I know, it worked for me until I updated the driver
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18:34<Eomys>hello guys
18:34<Amroth[FH]>Mam pewien problem, a mianowicie chodzi o to ze nie wiem w koncu ktora paczke z debianem wybrac dla mojego intel core2 quad
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18:35<Amroth[FH]>niby amd64 obsluguje core2 ale nie jestem do konca pewien czy to bedzie dobre dla core2 quad
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18:36<Amroth[FH]>sorry for my language...
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18:39<Amroth[FH]>I don't know which architecture is exacly for my intel core 2 quad. coz' there is amd64 which should be good coz' there is describe that this support for amd64 and core2
18:40<Amroth[FH]>but when I download this and try to install I have some trouble... so I don't know. Maybe it's better to use i386
18:40<Infinito>I believe quad cores are 32bits
18:40<Infinito>yeah I think so, but I'm no expert, I'm not sure
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18:41<Amroth[FH]>yes quad cores is 32bits but have EM64T
18:41<Amroth[FH]>which support for 64 bit
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18:43<jaakko>Amroth[FH]: what trouble did you have in install? I don't know, but why not try i386 if you have trouble...
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18:45<Amroth[FH]>so quad should run fine on i386 ?
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18:46<masterloki>Hi there, I've been googling since yesterday and haven't found some deep manual for apt-build, can anyone help to find one??
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18:50<Amroth[FH]>architecture of core 2 quad is x86-64
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18:51<Amroth[FH]>about it U can read heare
18:51<private_meta>hi... i've looked all over, but i couldn't find anything... what should i use in sources.list if i want to upgrade to etch?
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18:51<nichos>hi all. I'm having problems with X. ever since i downloaded the latest kernel i have to run the nvidia installer again in order to start x.
18:51<nichos>Once i run it, it works fine. The error i get is:
18:51<nichos>XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
18:51<nichos> after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
18:52<themill>!tell private_meta about sarge->etch
18:52<panagos_>is there a feed reader that can sort/categorise feed by activity? that is, by how often new posts arrive at the feed
18:53<Amroth[FH]>private_meta if U have there sarge U only change to etch
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18:53<private_meta>Amroth[FH]: last time i tried that it threw some errors
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18:54<Amroth[FH]>give hear one line from this file
18:54<themill>private_meta: pastebin your sources.list and we can check it for you.
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18:56<Amroth[FH]>ok.. i'll try to install i386 and i have hope it will work fine :)
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18:57<viki>Hi All, I have a problem with my xorg.conf - there is a modline parameter inside which is working perfectly in case of launching gnome, but does not work in case of any other window manager. it does not work either in case of gdm. Can anybody help me how to get it working in all the cases?
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18:59<gef>viki, define 'doesn't work'
18:59<viki>My xorg.conf can be found here:
18:59<Amroth[FH]>ok thanks guy :)
18:59<Amroth[FH]>bye bye
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19:00<viki>gef: does not work means: it act as without the modline... there is a black stripe on the monitor
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19:04<themill>private_meta: you should get rid of the non-US line as the non-us repository is long gone. The rest looks fine.
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19:04<private_meta>themill: so, line 2, 4 and 5 only?
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19:05<private_meta>themill: or the other 3 as well?
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19:05<themill>private_meta: lines 2, 4 and 5 of your pastebin should be quite sufficient. It's much better to have "etch" in there than "stable" as that will save you from nasty surprises when lenny becomes stable.
19:05<jaakko>viki: ah, I think there is too many xorg-conf files. They can be system wide or in your local directory. Read "man xorg.conf"
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19:06<private_meta>themill: so what should i use if i need deb-src?
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19:06<themill>private_meta: you can use your local mirror for that too. just copy the deb line that works to deb-src. (and remember to "aptitude update" after changing your sources.list)
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19:07<private_meta>themill: gotta do that anyways, reset my server, gotta do the whole upgrade again
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19:19<viki>jaako: I have not found any other applicable xorg.conf than which is inside the /etc/X11/
19:20<viki>jaako: do you have any idea, how can I find it?
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19:24<jaakko>viki: no. I don't know..
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19:31<bighornram>how would I repair totem, it starts then approx 10 seconds into a video says can
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19:33<viki>jaako: do u have any idea how can I check the loaded config file?
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19:34<ZoeDoGaM>hi :)
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19:34<ZoeDoGaM>i have a problem :(
19:35<jaakko>viki: well, it may be difficult, the Gnome may load settings elsewhere too, change configurations outside xorg.conf (just guessing, I don't have gnome)
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19:35<jaakko>viki: How did you configure your xorg? how do yo start the window managers?
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19:35<tyi>hi if I have a certificate already, and I want to change the default country, location, etc eg; Country Name: AU etc
19:36<tyi>which file do I go to, to change this again?
19:36<viki>jaako: gdm starts atomatically before the window manager.
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19:38<jaakko>viki: you can try to reconfigure xorg with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
19:38<jaakko>it will overwrite your xorg.conf, but it creates a back up too.
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19:39<viki>jaako: this I have already tried without success. That deletes also my modline, so after that it does not work properly even in gnome
19:40<jaakko>tyi: What certificate are you talking about?
19:41<jaakko>viki: Ok. shutdown the X, and start with "xinit /usr/bin/xterm"
19:41<jaakko>viki: does it work ok?
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19:42<jaakko>I can't help, but starting programs manually you mind find where the difference is actually
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19:46<kalibris>does anyone know if there's a how to for getting the HP f380 printer to work with Debian Etch. I have had it working with Ubuntu and Fedora but I just can't seem to make it work with Etch and it's frustrating me now.
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19:50<aerohit>Could someone please tell me how to copy a .a file to libpath
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19:55<jaakko>aerohit: cp .a libpath/ (what is libpath? .a file?)
19:57<aerohit>jaakko, I basically have to copy libusb.a to my lib path
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20:04<jaakko>aerohit: cp libusb.a /usr/lib/ (?)
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20:18<lupine>personally, if it's for just the one application, I would use LD_PRELOAD
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20:19<vinicius>i am with kurumin
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20:20<bighornram>Install offered me the option of using amd64 kernel, what are advantages/disadvantages of it?
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20:20<lupine>bighornram: advantages: numerous small things. disadvantages: numerous small things
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20:21<lupine>that said, flash works on amd64 now without much hassle, so it's slightly all-in-favour of amd64
20:21<lupine>especially if you have >4GB RAM
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20:22<bighornram>lupine: seems faster, though it is a new machine, all internet browse/email/irc/IM working, problem with iwlwifi driver and sound although don't know if sound would work on that machine with i386 either.
20:22<private_meta>anyone here who has some experience with plesk in combination with debian 4.0?
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20:28<private_meta>yeah, great
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20:29<abrotman>plesk not in debian ?
20:31<private_meta>abrotman: hm?
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20:32<abrotman>there is a ##plesk on
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20:34<miki>:abrotman: have you looked at:
20:34<private_meta>i should've taken confixx
20:34<abrotman>miki: is that ?
20:34<miki>abrotman: no not in debian proper
20:35<abrotman>i can show you a page on how to install oracle on debian ..
20:35<abrotman>and IE
20:35<miki>abrotman: but points to a repository on
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20:35<abrotman>so? not in debian
20:36<private_meta>linux just doesn't like me i guess
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20:37<miki>abrotman: not that i know
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20:39<bighornram>private_meta:linux likes everyone
20:39<private_meta>bighornram: no, it hates me
20:39<private_meta>it must be that way... can't explain it otherwise
20:40<bighornram>windows hates me :D
20:40<private_meta>windows i can manage... but with linux i tend to have problems noone can solve
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20:41<bighornram>I don't leave windows on my new computers long cause I end up wanting to break the machine.
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20:41<witte>private_meta: which problems, I did not see you state any problems?
20:41<abrotman>private_meta: so ask for help with your problem .. or ask where to get documentation
20:42<private_meta>witte: my problem was that plesk killed my entire domain, it killed itself, i had to resetup my system... so i didn't have to ask any question there, it was fubar
20:42<private_meta>the other problem i asked here before
20:42<witte>what is plesk
20:42<private_meta>system config panel
20:43<witte>private_meta: is there no well supported debian alternative that does everything that you want?
20:44<private_meta>even plesk doesn't do anything i want
20:44<private_meta>webmin can't really do it either
20:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
20:45<witte>private_meta: that was to say that webmin isn't in debian either
20:45<private_meta>witte: well, tell me an alternative please
20:45<private_meta>i don't know
20:45<witte>private_meta: but you can set up servers without webinterface
20:45<private_meta>i can't
20:46<witte>private_meta: just ssh to the machine and do the configuration
20:46<poiqwepoi>Hey private_meta, I understand the feeling... But in my case, MS products hate me. But I find that man and vi are the best sysadmin tools. :)
20:46<kevind23>I'm having some trouble with ndiswrapper, modinfo reports that there is no such module and I don't know how to make it one
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20:47<abrotman>private_meta: so learn how to administrate the system correctly
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20:48<private_meta>i don't have hundreds of hours to go through manuals... i'd ahve it for small problems, but not for the entire configuration
20:49<abrotman>then hire an admin
20:49<witte>private_meta: if you just read any simple tutorial on how to set up something for your problem under debian, you will find out it does not take hundreds of hours
20:49<private_meta>witte: tried that
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20:49<private_meta>abrotman: don't have the money for that
20:49<abrotman>then it's time to learn
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20:50<witte>private_meta: you could ask here how to solve a problem, and we could indicate which tools to use (so you read the correct manuals), but we can't spoon-feed you
20:50<jaakko>Don't we all have the freedom to choose our tools..
20:50<themill>dpkg: be a configuring a webserver barbie
20:50<dpkg>Aww, configuring a webserver is HARD! Let's go shopping, themill
20:51<kevind23>private_meta: if you don't have the time or the money to manage a webserver or *nix system then why do you even have one
20:51<onewithna>Newbie here, looking or experienced opinion. 64-bit or 32-bit? I am curently trying 64-bit and have found it to be quite problematic with concerns to web media of many types... i assume this isnt so with the 32-bit ver. as 3rd party is more commonly supporting it?
20:51<abrotman>onewithna: desktop or server?
20:51<onewithna>laptop actually
20:51<jaakko>kevind23: let him use the tools he siis suitable
20:51<private_meta>kevind23: good question, maybe because i know a lot of people where the system i'm using actually works
20:51<kevind23>onewithna: for everyday purposes there is little advantage to using 64bit over 32bit
20:51<private_meta>kevind23: how it's supposed to
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20:52<onewithna>well, i was quite hyped about 64 bit to be quite disappointed
20:52<jaakko>No one is forced to help here, is someone is asking too much help or complaining.
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20:53<witte>onewithna: start to have as hobby to do heavy special computation with large memory requirements
20:53<dondelelcaro>kevind23: depends; for good 32 bit architectures, that's true, but ia32 isn't a particularly good architecture.
20:53<abrotman>onewithna: you can get it to work .. it's just more work
20:54<witte>onewithna: after that you should see a difference between 32 and 64 bit :-)
20:54<onewithna>i have managed to get flash going with swiftox/ndiswrappe
20:55<onewithna>so with an amd turionX2 what download do i want?
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20:55<abrotman>that or amd64
20:55<kevind23>dondelelcaro: I use amd64 myself but I've used i386 before and see little improvement
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20:56<dondelelcaro>kevind23: sure, which is my point exactly. Normally you would expect a 64 bit architecture to be *slower* than a 32 bit one.
20:56<onewithna>i use my notebook at work as well as home, work requires that i use PDF in browser, something i have yet found a good soultion or with 64-bit
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20:56<dondelelcaro>kevind23: but IA32 is so horrid that it is cancelled out by the availability of additional registers
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20:57<onewithna>if 64 bit is slower why would you want it? whats the advantage?
20:58<dondelelcaro>onewithna: the ability to address more than 4G of memory in a single application
20:58<dondelelcaro>onewithna: normally things with 64bit architectures use 32bit for most everything, save for a few applications which are actually 64bit
20:59<onewithna>i have but 1g, so thats it? no advantage for me?
20:59<dondelelcaro>onewithna: if you're running amd64 there may still be an advantage, though possibly small.
20:59<dondelelcaro>you'd have to actually benchmark everything to know for certain, though
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21:00<onewithna>i am currently amd64 but about to DL i386 and give it a go for convienience. As a beginne i think i have ovestepped my bounbdaries here
21:00<pyrohotdog>Is there a Debian PPC room?
21:00<dpkg>hmm... ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
21:00<dondelelcaro>onewithna: unless you need to run non-free software, there's really no point in switching to i386
21:01<onewithna>i do... like acrobat for PDF (in browser)
21:02<onewithna>work says so...... i know. but currently dual with vista or work and i am tired of it
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21:02<miki>onewithna: you really need all of acrobat's features or just view PDFs?
21:02<themill>onewithna: kpdf or evince are much nicer PDF readers that don't behave like a 800 lb gorilla
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21:03<onewithna>LOL, yes, has to be acrobat for work.
21:03<jaakko>miki: do you know good and light readers? I installed gv, but it is ugly..
21:04<themill>onewithna: do you do PDF forms or soft-proofing stuff with acrobat?
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21:04<onewithna>thanks for all the input.... I am going to give i386 a go.. try it out, if nothing else when i get a little deeper into the linux world i will stretch my legs and go 64, thanks all.
21:04<jaakko>oh, didn't notice that evince, will try some time
21:05<onewithna>its retarted, only view, but selected sites, but the BOSS says so.
21:05<themill>jaakko: also xpdf.
21:05<themill>onewithna: you need to hit your boss with a large cluebat.
21:06<onewithna>LOL, they are all MS people there... I just want to be done with MS 100% and i am tired of looking at vista all day at work.
21:06<onewithna>thanks again.
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21:07<jaakko>themill: thanks, xpdf is much better!
21:07<themill>kpdf ftw
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21:41<poiqwepoi>quick questions about runlevels in debian. Is there a thing similar to chkconfig or is it only by linking from init.d to rcx.d? thank you :)
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21:42<poiqwepoi>I meant startup and shutdown of server daemons at a specific runlevel.....
21:42<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead., or ask me about <startup>
21:43<witte>poiqwepoi: don't know if it all helps, but update-rc.d is used for changing what is in rc?.d
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21:47<abrotman>poiqwepoi: update-rc.d and rcconf
21:48<poiqwepoi>witte et abrotman, update-rc.d was the command I was looking for if there was one. Thanks!
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22:03<jrolland-iMac>anyone know anything about md5?
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22:04<abrotman>ask a better question
22:04<jrolland-iMac>I'm trying to ssh from a shell account to my debian box, but I keep getting "Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive)"
22:05<poiqwepoi>I'm starting to love debian... My web server has a basic process memory stamp of less than 19 Megs and 28 processes including kernel processes before the web server is up.... :) Good
22:05<jrolland-iMac>shell runs freebsd
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22:06<poiqwepoi>jrolland-iMac, are you trying to login as root?
22:07<jrolland-iMac>I'm also getting a password authentication error from dovecot, so I think it's md5
22:07<jrolland-iMac>poiqwepoi: No, regular login
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22:08<poiqwepoi>jrolland-imac, did you try running ssh with debug info?
22:09<jrolland-iMac>yes, I'll post pastebin
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22:12<poiqwepoi>jrolland-iMac, can you run with -vvv
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22:14<bebin>how to
22:14<bebin>how to install the driver for gigbyte ether net card
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22:19<jaakko>bebin: You have the driver?
22:20<hoopy>i have a lovely person trying to brute force their way into my proftpd. I have installed and configured fail2ban and it's not preventing him from connecting
22:21<dondelelcaro>hoopy: if it's not keeping someone from connecting then the regex rules for proftpd aren't right, or it's not looking at the right logfile.
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22:21<mysupper>Anybody using lvm?
22:22<bebin>jaakko: yes but while install it says Makefile:71: *** Linux kernel source not found. Stop.
22:22<mysupper>I want to use lvm on my machine. Is lvm trustworthy?
22:22<dondelelcaro>mysupper: yes.
22:22<engywuck>then you have to install the kernel source
22:22<hoopy>oh, wait
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22:23<mysupper>dondelelcaro, how long have you been using lvm? Did you have any filesystem errors?
22:23<hoopy>maybe it just took longer to kick in than i thought it would
22:23<jrolland-iMac>poiqqopoi: Any ideas?
22:23<hoopy>it would be nice if i didn't have to run 6 python interpreters for this functionality
22:23<engywuck>!tell bebin about kernel source
22:23<dondelelcaro>mysupper: quite a long time, and no.
22:23<hoopy>this box only has 32MB of RAM :|
22:23<dondelelcaro>mysupper: that's not to say that it couldn't be broken in the future, but it's no more likely to break than the raid subsystem, the device drivers, or the filesystem drivers.
22:25<mysupper>dondelelcaro, cooool!. How about the instability related to server load? My server load avr. is about 60% and I don't want to be hazzled by filesystem instability using lvm on my server.
22:25<bebin>engywuck 2.6.18-6-amd64
22:25<poiqwepoi>jrolland-Imac, in your ssh_config, you have "PasswordAuthentication yes" ?
22:25<poiqwepoi>jrolland-Imac, on the client side
22:25<gsimmons>hoopy: If you're using Etch, see bug #461412 in the BTS for the corrected proftpd failregex.
22:25<bebin>engywuck : 2.6.18-6-amd64
22:26<hoopy>gsimmons: it appears to be working now
22:26<hoopy>and i am using etch
22:26<jrolland-iMac>Stupid questions: You mean on the shell account and where is ssh_config?
22:26<dondelelcaro>mysupper: depends on the server; it's generally not significant.
22:27<jrolland-iMac>I'm not sure I have access to that on the FreeBSD shell account
22:27<jrolland-iMac>1 sec
22:27<poiqwepoi>jrolland-Imac, #find /etc -name ssh_config
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22:28<wo0f>how do i install webmin?
22:28<jrolland-iMac>No, "PasswordAuthentication no"
22:28<wo0f>from the .deb
22:28<poiqwepoi>jrolland-Imac are you root of your freebsd box?
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22:28<wo0f>dpkg -i webmin_1.400_all.deb does just complete as it has missing dependancys
22:28<dpkg>package webmin_1.400_all.deb does just complete as it has missing dependancys is already installed
22:29<mysupper>dondelelcaro, OK. other two questions. One is "can I repair filesystem not working using lvm?". Another is "can I use lvm on the server which already has debian installed".
22:29<wo0f>how do i get dpkg to auto resolve dependancys
22:29<bebin>engywuck: i use 2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel
22:29<jrolland-iMac>poiqwepoi: No, I'm not root of the FreeBSD shell
22:29<craigevil>wo0f: try using gdebi
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22:30<jrolland-iMac>I pay a whopping $1.5 per month for access and an imap email address
22:30<engywuck>and, bebinß
22:30<engywuck>still the same source package...
22:30<poiqwepoi>jrolland-iMac, what I suggest then is generate a set of keys and copy the pub key to authorized_keys on the debian box
22:30<wo0f>craigevil: gdebi is cli right?
22:31<craigevil>yes , gdebi packagename
22:31<jrolland-iMac>OK thanks
22:31<craigevil>although only god knows wtf you would want to use webmin for anything
22:31<poiqwepoi>jrolland-iMac ssh-keygen
22:31<dondelelcaro>mysupper: lvm doesn't have anything to do with filesystems; it's only for volumes. The second question's answer is yes.
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22:32<zarchne>... a *qualified* "yes" ...
22:33<jrolland-iMac>I'm leaving for now; thanks for all the help, poiqwepoi!
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22:33<mysupper>dondelelcaro, Ok. thx! I will try for that on the dummy machine first.
22:35<wo0f>gdebi is not cli
22:36<wo0f>can i use apt-get to install local .debs ?
22:36<wo0f>and auto resolves depends
22:36<lupine>use dpkg
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22:36<lupine>or create a local repository and use apt, I guess
22:36<craigevil>gdebi packagename, uses apt and resloves depends
22:36<lupine>but that's far more effort than it warrants
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22:36<jaakko>wo0f: install with dpkg, after that type "aptitude install" and the name of the package
22:37<jaakko>I wonder why that is poorly documented or how it is supposed to correctly..
22:37<kerneld>Anyone running 2.6.22-3-amd64 have a sec to compile a driver for me? Got a new Dell box and the onboard intel NIC is not supported
22:39<kerneld>I guess I could install in vmware on my doze box and build the driver... but that is kind of suckky.
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22:41<kerneld>woulda though a shiny new lenny install disk would work on commodity Dell box.. : /
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22:43<bgat>anyone know why acroread suddenly quit working for amd64?
22:44<kerneld>You using the marillat one?
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22:44<bgat>now that you mention it, I think so...
22:44<kerneld>bgat: You aren't running on 2.6.22-3-amd64 by chance?
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22:45<kerneld>doh. Looks like vmware is it.
22:46<bgat>(grok failure)
22:46<kerneld>my issue before you joined
22:46<bgat>I hate it when grok() returns -1. :)
22:47<kerneld>New dell Vostro has an unsupported intel NIC
22:47<kerneld>(Not using ubunto - but the prob is the same)
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22:49<brunner>so what technology are the telcos going to adopt when cable becomes consistently faster?
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22:53<amphi>kerneld: e1000 doesn't work?
22:54<lupine>brunner: VDSL?
22:54<lupine>+ miniDSLAMs you can get some nightmarishly fast speeds
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22:55<kerneld>amphi: Nope
22:56<kerneld>not the ver shipped with 2.6.22-3-amd64 at least.
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22:57<kerneld>I am d/l the Intel driver, but I typically use the netinst CD image - which of cours requires a net :P
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22:58<witte>kerneld: the e1000 driver works under etch
22:59<jaakko>kerneld: the netinst is totally working debian without net connection :-)
22:59<witte>kerneld: probably the pci bus is not supported, or some other device
22:59<kerneld>witte: On a 82562v-2 ?
22:59<witte>kerneld: i don't know what they did for that machine, but the e1000 driver is not exactly new
23:00<kerneld>jaakko: But I need a net connection to get build-essential and the appropos kernel-headers
23:00<witte>kerneld: but if it is on a pci bus which is not supported, net won't work of course
23:00<witte>kerneld: did you try an install cd with a newer kernel?
23:00<kerneld>witte: I see the card on lspci no other errors
23:01<witte>!tell kerneld about etch 2.6.23
23:01<witte>kerneld: ah, ok, that should be an indication that it is more or less ok
23:01<kerneld>witte: Tried the goodbye-windows debian.exe just for kicks :P
23:02<witte>kerneld: can you try to modprobe e1000 during install and do the network config anew
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23:02<kerneld>went to a console tried e1000 - it loads, just doesn't detect my NIC
23:02<kerneld>ifconfig -a -- nada - just lo
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23:03<witte>kerneld: never tried the goodbye-windows thing, would like to do that with a windows user ;-)
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23:03<witte>kerneld: and dmesg, any reports on the eth in that?
23:03<witte>kerneld: dmesg | grep eth
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23:04<kerneld>dmesg just shows the copyright info from the driver
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23:06<kerneld>I'll just install on a vmware image on my XP Ho!me - hope that runs amd64 guest on 32 bit doze host
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23:08<kerneld>then I can build my nic module .. and I am home free.
23:09<brmuljo>The Dragon see, with seven mantles red,
23:09<brmuljo>Wielding two swords and crownèd with two crowns;
23:09<brmuljo>Great-grandchild of the faithless Turk, with Koran!
23:09<brmuljo>Behind him hordes of that accursèd breed,
23:09<brmuljo>That they may devastate the whole wide earth,
23:09<brmuljo>As locusts pestilent lay waste the fields!
23:09<brmuljo>Had not the Rock of France its onrush curbed,
23:09<brmuljo>Arabia’s flood had surely deluged all!
23:09<brmuljo>Osman - infernal dream - was monarch crown’d;
23:09<brmuljo>The pale moon wedded, she his apple fair;
23:09<brmuljo>From whom sprang Orkan, Europe’s evil guest;
23:09<kerneld>fuck off
23:09<brmuljo>And now Byzantium’s realm is nothing more
23:09<brmuljo>Than the youthful Theodora’s dowry -
23:09<brmuljo>The star of destiny hangs darkly over her.
23:09<brmuljo>Now Paleologos bids Murat in,
23:09<brmuljo>To bury in one grave both Greeks and Serbs.
23:09<brmuljo>Their own ends sought both Brankovitch and Gerluka -
23:09<brmuljo>Meet recompense Mohammed gave to Gerluka!
23:09<brmuljo>From out far Asia where they have their nest,
23:09<brmuljo>This Devil’s brood doth gulp the nations up;
23:09<brmuljo>Each day a nation, as night-owl takes bird:
23:09<brmuljo>Murat takes Serbia, and Bosnia Bayazed;
23:09<brmuljo>Murat Epirus, and Mohammed Greece;
23:09<brmuljo>Then the two Selims Africa and Cyprus -
23:09<brmuljo>Each takes something till nothing is there left!
23:09<brmuljo>Dreadful the deeds that happen day by day;
23:09<brmuljo>Too small is this wide world for Hell’s great maw,
23:09<brmuljo>Which, though feeding ever, never knows repletion!
23:09<brmuljo>Yanko doth fight for Vladislaus dead;
23:09<brmuljo>But why fight on when fighting gives not aid?
23:09<brmuljo>Brave heart Obilitch beats in Skenderbeg,
23:09<brmuljo>And yet he pines in pitiless exile. -
23:10<brmuljo>But what can I! What helper is me nigh?
23:10<brmuljo>We have but few strong arms; our strength is small;
23:10<brmuljo>We are as wisps of straw tossed on the wind;
23:10<brmuljo>As orphan’d sad, forsaken of the world,
23:10<brmuljo>I see my people sleep a deadly sleep,
23:10<brmuljo>No parent’s hand to wipe away my tears;
23:10<brmuljo>God’s Heaven is shut above my head,
23:10<brmuljo>Giving no answer to my cries and prayers.
23:10<brmuljo>This world is now become a hell,
23:10<kerneld>Can someone kick this guy already?
23:10<brmuljo>And men but demons in disguise.
23:10<brmuljo>Oh, dark, dark Day! oh, outlook ever black!
23:10<brmuljo>My fearing folk held ever underfoot!
23:10<brmuljo>Sure I have seen thy woe and all thine ill,
23:10<brmuljo>Yet ’gainst the worst I now must set my will!
23:10<brmuljo>When deadly wound is given in the head,
23:10<brmuljo>The quivering frame doth painfully expire.
23:10<brmuljo>Plague of mankind! May God make end of thee!
23:10<brmuljo>Is half a world so small, to thee so small -
23:10<brmuljo>A half-world filled with horror of thy deeds -
23:10<brmuljo>That pois’nous stenches from thy demon soul
23:10<brmuljo>Thou now must bring to spue upon our rock?
23:10<dpkg>well, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
23:10<brmuljo>Is it small offering - of Serbia the whole,
23:10<brmuljo>From Danube river to the deep blue sea?
23:10<brmuljo>Thy seat thou hast, all wickedly to ride;
23:10<brmuljo>Thy blood-stained sceptre is thy boast and pride,
23:10<brmuljo>From sacred altar thou insultest God,
23:10<brmuljo>And where was outrag’d Cross dost rear a Mosque! -
23:10<brmuljo>Our very shades and relics would’st defile,
23:10-!-mode/#debian [+q brmuljo!*@*] by cdlu
23:10<kerneld> /ignore brmuljo all
23:10<witte>dpkg: ops please remove brmuljo
23:10<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: witte complains about: please remove brmuljo
23:10<cdlu>flooder in #debian (god-mode use)
23:11<cdlu>right then
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23:11<dondelelcaro>yeah, it's fine
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23:14<kop>Would someone running lenny (with xltproc installed) please try and see if you get the error? Thanks.
23:15<kop>(oops, that's xsltproc)
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23:15<amphi>more literary the normal spam
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23:16<witte>kop: how do you run it, just past it in the terminal?
23:16<kop>witte : Yup.
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23:18<hoopy>apple monkey carbeurator
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23:18<witte>kop: get the same error
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23:18<kop>witte: Poo. I think it's a bug.
23:19<witte>kop: I never heard of xsltproc before so i have no clue if it is, but i will try on sid
23:19<kop>witte : thanks!
23:19<witte>kop: same error
23:20<kop>witte : xslt does transformations on xml, using an xml language. xlstproc will run the transforms.
23:20<witte>kop: are you sure it is not your program? i tried on etch as well, and again same error
23:22<kop>witte : The xlst code was sent me by someone who _really_ seems to know what they're talking about. (But I think uses saxon instead of xsltproc.) I looked at the xslt 1.0 spec at and it seems to me it should not produce the error.
23:22<witte>kop: maybe the debian version is outdated
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23:24<kop>witte : It's a little hard to tell, because there's the xsltproc program and under that the xslt library and under that the xml library.
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23:25<kerneld>grr.. amd64 iso hung at decompressing linux.... in vmware. Anyone out there able to install the headers for 2.6.22-3-amd and do a quick build? I just need the e1000.ko
23:26<witte>kop: yeah, i googled myself as well, and I am not really sure. I am sure I can't help you any further with it :-)
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23:28<kerneld>oooh it decompressed. nevermind. Took forever!
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23:29<kop>witte : I guess I'll break down and file a bug report. I hate doing that with stuff like this where I don't know exactly where to file it and am still getting up to speed on the environment. I always get bounced from project to project until someone tells me they won't fix it.
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23:30<_ZeuZ_>Guys I used this: iptables -A INPUT -i eth3 -s -m mac --mac-source 00:0E:2E:EA:D7:02 -j DROP ALL
23:31<_ZeuZ_>to block that IP and that mac to 0 traffic, but it's still transmiting and receiving, how can I kill it compleately?
23:32<kerneld>_ZeuZ_: do an iptables -v -L
23:32<_ZeuZ_>Even after having done iptables -A INPUT -i eth3 -s -j DROP it's alive...
23:32<kerneld>see if the counter on that rule is incrementing
23:33<kop>Speaking of bugs. OpenOffice calc won't paste more than a single cell at a time in etch. The problem was introduced in a fix made to etch after it was released. They don't want to fix the bug. I don't understand why it's acceptable to introduce a bug into stable that would be a release blocker. A spreadsheet where you can't paste is plain-old broken. Stable is not supposed to change, but if it does and the change is itself a major breakage then the breaka
23:33<kerneld>might be permitting it at another previous step
23:33<kerneld>_ZeuZ_: If you don't want to troubleshoot other rules too much, try with -I instead of -A
23:33<_ZeuZ_>It's accepted with another MAC...
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23:34<_ZeuZ_>after that MAC accepted rule, it's doing a DROP for all requests on that IP, still it's transmiting from another MAC address...
23:35<kerneld>insert an air space between the conductors on its NIC and the cat5e plug
23:36<_ZeuZ_>come again?
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23:36<kerneld>unplug it :P
23:38<kerneld>_ZeuZ_: you can take a snoop with tcpdump and some well placed -j LOG statements
23:38<_ZeuZ_>I'm not even near the server...
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23:39<_ZeuZ_>if I launch tcpdump | grep it should only show connection log right?
23:40<kerneld>tcpdump host
23:40<kerneld>if you have ethereal - you can have an easier time looking at the different headers...
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23:41<_ZeuZ_>only ttys on the server...
23:41<_ZeuZ_>damn, I can't get that host of the network... damned wireless crap...
23:41<Staz>ethereal is now called wireshark
23:42<_ZeuZ_>what rule can I apply so that the firewall drops every packet from that IP? appart from the one I allready tried and did not work
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23:42<kerneld>tcpdump -e host
23:42<kerneld>will have what you are looking for
23:43<_ZeuZ_>Ok, I can see what it's transferring... Though, I need to cut all his transmissions out... any idea?
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23:44<kop>kerneld : Ethereal is no more. Wireshark is the new name. (IIRC)
23:44<kerneld>kop: I know.. old habits...
23:44<kerneld>_ZeuZ_: iptables -I -s -j DROP
23:45<kerneld>_ZeuZ_: iptables -I INPUT -s -j DROP
23:46<kerneld>you don't have a bridge setup on that box do you? If you are bridging, by default bridged packets don't go through INPUT
23:46<_ZeuZ_>No, i don't have bridged interfaces... Though I do forward all the coming to one, to the other...
23:47<kerneld>perhaps add to the FORWARD table
23:47<_ZeuZ_>iptables -I FORWARD -s -j DROP ?
23:47<kop>kerneld : What lists the ordering of iptable's tables? (I'm wondering about PREROUTING for the nat he's got going on vs INPUT)
23:47<_ZeuZ_>still actively transmitting...
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23:48<_ZeuZ_>I think prerouting...
23:48<_ZeuZ_>will drop it on prerouting too
23:48<kerneld>didn;t know NAT was involved.
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23:48<_ZeuZ_>iptables -I PREROUTING -s -j DROP right? I'm not currently doing NAT...
23:48<kerneld>-t nat -I PREROUTING will bust it up for sure
23:48<kop>kerneld:172.16 is a martian address block
23:49<kop>kerneld : (I think)
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23:49<kerneld> Just use the 1. netblock... :P
23:50<_ZeuZ_>even after nat dropping, it's still transmitting...
23:51<kerneld>you sure it is xmitting?
23:51<kerneld>-A OUTPUT -s -j LOG
23:51<_ZeuZ_>yes sir, tcpdump shows streams actively going in and out...
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23:52<_ZeuZ_>Ok, the last rule you told me has been applied... now, what should that do? xD
23:52<kerneld>fill your kernel log
23:52<kerneld>dmesg | tail
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23:53<kerneld>if you see stuff from your OUTPUT table being logged - it is getting exmitted
23:54<_ZeuZ_> That's the output...
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23:55<kerneld>maybe it is just transmitting when you have it in promisc mode
23:56<_ZeuZ_>how can I change that mode? I bet ifconfig eth3 mode managed won't work...
23:56<martin_>hey guys i just installed the fglrx packages but x doesnt seem to use and when i edit xorg.conf with driver "fglrx" x doesnt load right screen goes white any idea what i should do?
23:56<kerneld>there is an option to tcpdump not to go promisc
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23:57<_ZeuZ_>so you think that I'm catching his transmisions on promiscuous because he's sending but not receiving more than the connection cancel?
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23:59<kerneld>_ZeuZ_: try your tcpdump rul with -p flg. eg: tcpdump -p -e host
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