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00:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
00:04<sigra>anyone know how to in openoffice to make a read only obd file editable where i can add and save records?
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00:06<r00t4rd>i'm trying to install debian on a netwinder. when i boot the boot.img i notice that i get an error during boot which says something along the lines of "IP-Config can't find device 'eth0'" after which point i get errors about not being able to connect to the nfs server for the rootfs.
00:06<linuxguy>is thee an upto date wiki for installing ATi drivers please?......Ive only just installed Etch 4.3
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00:10<Killing_Frost>Anyone else lose their login prompt after Sunday's Lenny upgrade?
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00:10<agent_double_o>How do I get x-session-manager to not listen on tcp?
00:11<agent_double_o>I'm using XFCE
00:11<agent_double_o>I thought it was disabled by default
00:11<dli>agent_double_o, by default, it won't
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00:11<agent_double_o>Well it appears to be
00:11<dpkg>it has been said that ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list.
00:12<agent_double_o>x-session 24770 jason 4u IPv6 195869 TCP *:33214 (LISTEN)
00:12<agent_double_o>x-session 24770 jason 5u IPv4 195870 TCP *:51671 (LISTEN)
00:12<agent_double_o>This is a fresh install. aptitude install xorg xfce4; startx
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00:15<dli>just use a dm, it knows how to start x
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00:17<agent_double_o>dli: If I wanted to use one, I would be.
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00:22<linuxguy> is thee an upto date wiki for installing ATi drivers please?......Ive only just installed Etch 4.3
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00:25<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
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00:26<indistylo>ma k lolo
00:26<indistylo>whats happening
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00:27<dli>we don't know what etch 4.3 is
00:30<linuxguy>erm in the UK (gb) Etch is ver 4.3 :)
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00:30<dli>linuxguy, I think there's only one international debian version
00:31<suiside>linuxguy: reality check, 4.0r3
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00:35<josh>how do i start the netowrk manager manually?
00:35<josh>in gnome
00:35<linuxguy> debian 4.3 "etch" is available for download...from Distrowatch site
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00:35<dli>josh, sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart
00:36<dli>Guest1811, then, in gnome, "nm-applet &"
00:36<linuxguy>>also says debian 4.3 etch on distrowatch who knows :)
00:37<dli>linuxguy, show us a link? I'm worried, it could be a phishing site
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00:41<nowhereman>I can't create new XFS filesystems
00:41<nowhereman>at least I can't mount them
00:41<nowhereman>I get
00:41<nowhereman>XFS: bad version
00:41<nowhereman>XFS: SB validate failed
00:41<nowhereman>in dmesg
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00:41<nowhereman>although the ones created before mount fine
00:41<nowhereman>is it a known issue?
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00:43<linuxguy>dli......the etch thing has been droped....but etch is still mentioned on a few sites its suposed be be the one before "lenny2 ??
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00:49<linuxguy>ok so whats the best way to install the ati driver for my 960XT?
00:49<josh_>how do i start powermanager manually in gnome?
00:49<linuxguy>ops 9600Xt plwease?
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00:50<dli>josh_, gnome-power-manager &
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00:54<linuxguy>i mention an above comment...nobody knew what etch was??....well its here on official debian site :)
00:56<jackal>where would i look for the proper name for a device as defined by its driver
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00:57<dli>linuxguy, Installing Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r3
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00:59<linuxguy>dli.....the site does mention etch on the descsciption
00:59<linuxguy>nstalling Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r3. To install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r3 (etch), .... The second is due to a bug
01:00<jackal>what is the purpose of udev?
01:00<dpkg>udev is at or/and Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution:, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>
01:03<jackal>i'm getting a call trace from trying to start udev
01:04<jackal>am very much new to this system
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01:06<ybeddyj>i constantly get these errors what fix may i try?
01:06<ybeddyj>W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
01:08<Nemoder>hm I didn't think lenny had security updates
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01:09<chealer>ybeddyj: since when?
01:09<ybeddyj_>for whole day
01:10<ybeddyj_>i installed debian lenny lastnight
01:10<chealer>ybeddyj_: when doing what?
01:10<ybeddyj_>well its being happening for last 26+hrs
01:10<ybeddyj_>apt-get update
01:10<suiside>linuxguy: 4.0r3 != 4.3 which was pointed out for you ages ago but for some reason you persisted with your faulty statement
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01:12<linuxguy>suicide......i was asked for a link for etch..i just posted 1.......Etch is supposed to be before "lenny2......most magazines will say that to thats all
01:13<chealer>ybeddyj_: does commenting the source, updating, then uncommenting and updating again fix the problem?
01:14<ybeddyj>i didnt try that but i will right away
01:14<linuxguy> --buildpkg Debian/etch .... Issue installing FGLRX for ATI Radeon Xpress 200m under Slackware 10.2, DragonRider ...
01:14<linuxguy>see debain Etch?
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01:14<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method. see </msg dpkg ati>
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01:15<Hideo>!fglrx one-liner
01:15<dpkg>i guess fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
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01:17<linuxguy>ive just tried that post and I get this mesage Couldn't find package fglrx-driver
01:18<Hideo>check your sources.list to see if it has contrib and non-free
01:18<Hideo>if not, add them in, and then do an apt-get update
01:18<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
01:19<dpkg>from memory, ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list.
01:20<ybeddyj_>chealer, it still does
01:20<linuxguy>so i guess i need to edit the sources list so the one liner will work?
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01:20<chealer>ybeddyj_: what does $ ping -c1|grep data; output?
01:22<ybeddyj_>i'm able to see the site
01:22<ybeddyj_>i'm even able to download the file that is "mismatched"
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01:26<ybeddyj_> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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01:50<alaya>why do people make unsolicited PMs all the time?
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02:05<zarchne>alaya: in your case, probably due to your feminine nick.
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02:43<suiside>blorb: please don'
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02:43<suiside>t do that
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02:45<blorb>do what?
02:46<blorb>suiside: don't do what??
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02:58<josh>which is better gdesktop or desklets on gnome
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03:00<Guest1822>which is better gdesktop or desklets on gnome
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03:02<pier>hello, someone here ?
03:03<Supaplex>that's a closely guarded secret ;)
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03:03<Supaplex>quick, pier is here. HIDE TEH FEMALEZ!
03:04<pier>why ?
03:05<pier>I'd like to come her using pidgin ; now it's whith bitchx
03:06<pier>here (sorry)
03:06<Supaplex>we're teasing you a little. is that okay? :)
03:06<Supaplex>if you have something to ask us about debian, by all means, go ahead. don't wait on us
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03:08<pier>I can't connect using pidgin (lenny amd64) ; I don't understand why
03:09<Supaplex>irssi works fine for me. pier, does any other client work okay?
03:09<pier>I'll try irssi
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03:11<_MDC___>are there any problems with the mirrors? Haven't got any updates from the swedish mirror in a couple of days but pointing the us one gave me a few....
03:12<pier_>just joined with irssi ; see me ?
03:12<operal>i see you
03:14<pier_>Thanks, that's great
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03:16<weasel>nobody sees you.
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03:16<pier_>I jus quit bitchX ; I'm now on irssi
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03:24<pier_>Quitting now ( or trying to quit ) ; thanks for your help
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03:27<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How would I transfer files via SSH using the console?
03:28<Torsten_W>with scp?
03:28<jm_>man scp
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03:30<dli>GhostlyDeath, or sshfs
03:31<indistylo>pin me
03:31<blorb>you need a / before the command
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03:32<blorb>indistylo? did you make it? :P
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03:33<blorb>oh well, you win some you lose some :D
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03:36<plm156>is there anyway to find out which packages i installed manually ? , the ones i gave the apt-get install command and werent installed with the initial installation
03:38<jMCg>plm156: /var/log/dpkg..
03:38<jm_>no you won't see it there
03:38<jm_>you can use aptitude to do that
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03:40<plm156>jm_, where in aptitude ?
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03:42<jm_>plm156: read "Search Patterns" chapter in aptitude's manual
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03:58<JustSoul>When from KDE 3.5.5 I create/edit ***.desktop file (change dir icon, create url) on samba-share, kde create ***.desktop.lock file and hang. How can I fix it?
03:58<plm156>jm_, there is one that shows the automatically installed
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03:59<jm_>plm156: and then there's negation operator '!'
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04:01<plm156> Re: Aptitude list manually installed packages.
04:01<plm156>This thread is old, but anyway, here's the command to list manually installed packages (excluding Essentials).
04:01<plm156>aptitude search '~i!~E' | grep -v "i A" | cut -d " " -f 4
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04:07<njende>Hi there! My DM is KDE and now I am wondering if I can remove (aptitude remove --purge) all the Gnome files which got installed in the first place.
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04:08<jm_>njende: you have my permission
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04:08<njende>jm_: so, it wouldn't make my system kind of inconsisted
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04:09<jm_>njende: shouldn't be a problem if none of your apps use gnome stuff - anyway try it and see what will be removed and stop it if need be
04:09<jm_>!remove gnome
04:09<dpkg>apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest.
04:09<njende>jm_: thanks for your explanation -- lets see how it goes...
04:10<jm_>aptitude and apt-get will first list stuff that will be removed and ask you for confirmation so it's easy to check it
04:13<njende>jm_: it works like a charm ;-)
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04:21<JustSoul>When from KDE 3.5.5 I create/edit ***.desktop file (change dir icon, create url) on samba-share, kde create ***.desktop.lock file and hang. How can I fix it?
04:21<njende>one more question: since a couple of days one of my machines is not printing anymore. The USB-Ports are all okay -- checked that already. The printer itself is oky, too. However the printer is in CUPS well defined and it shows up in KPrinter, but it is not printing at all. It is an HP OfficeJet 5515 and I have chosen the HP OfficeJet5500 driver. Has anyone an idea what I should check? What do I have to look after to get things working again?
04:22<chealer>JustSoul: ask #debian-kde
04:23<jm_>njende: check cups log
04:23<jm_>log(s) even
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04:23<chealer>njende: funny, I noticed something similar "today". does usb burn your CPU when you have a job trying to print?
04:25<njende>chealer: yep
04:25<njende>how about yours?
04:25<chealer>njende: hehe. yes :)
04:25<chealer>njende: running lenny, right?
04:25<njende>yep ;-)
04:27<chealer>njende: the last time mine printed was saturday.
04:27<njende>welcome ;-)
04:28<chealer>njende: I didn't look at the BTS yet. I use a HP PSC 1315.
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04:29<njende>chealer: I checked the BTS and haven't found anything related to that problem....kind of weird
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04:29<njende>maybe I haven't chosen the right keywords to search the BTS :-(
04:30<chealer>njende: I can't see anything much related to printing being upgraded since saturday though
04:31<njende>hmmm...would you write a bugreport, though?
04:32<chealer>njende: I'm not sure I would know which package to report against yet :/
04:32<chealer>njende: in your IPP report, do you get printer-state-reasons "connecting-to-device"?
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04:33<njende>hold on...I'll check
04:35<chealer>oh, wait there's libcupsimage2
04:35<chealer>libcupsimage2 (1.3.6-1) to 1.3.6-2. doesn't sound terribly likely, but...
04:37<njende>alaya: hplip is installed
04:37<chealer>alaya: is that a guess or are you aware of the issue?
04:37<alaya>that's the protocol for the 1300 series
04:37<alaya>sure of it
04:38<chealer>alaya: but what do you mean by "hplip"? you think it's an hplip bug?
04:38<alaya>oh i'm not sure, but that's what you use, plus the 1300 driver in cups
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04:39<njende>chealer: I had a tmp*something* driver all of the sudden in CUPS -- I just removed that beast and now my system prints like a charm again
04:40<njende>chealer: have you checked your Cups installation?
04:40<chealer>njende: where do you see the drivers you have in CUPS?
04:41<chealer>njende: check what in particular? I guess not
04:42<njende>chealer: I simply opened the GUI (localhost:631) and had a look at all installed printers and there was a tmp*something* printer after removing that my system prints again
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04:43<chealer>njende: hum, I don't have that
04:43<chealer>njende: are you able to print the CUPS test page now?
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04:43<njende>chealer: yep I am able to print whatever I like now ;-)
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04:46<chealer>njende: well, it must be a different problem
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04:49<njende>chealer: have you tried to install the original driver from HP? That solved once my problem
04:51<njende>chealer: sure, it's quite a while ago, but nevertheless that did once the trick for me
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04:51<chealer>njende: no. I'll wait to see how it goes. Debian printing bugs aren't a worst issue than drying cartridges here :)
04:51<chealer>thanks anyway
04:52<njende> <- just in case you don't have the link
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04:54<chealer>njende: did it solve using the same version as Debian's or something else?
04:54<chealer>s/version/upstream version
04:55<njende>it's a different version than the one in debian
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04:56<webPragmatist>what's the name of the pretty elaborate browser used in the command line
04:56<webPragmatist>it's like an acronym i never remember it
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04:57<njende>webPragmatist: w3m
04:57<njende>webPragmatist: or lynx?
04:58<webPragmatist>yea w3m
04:58<chealer>njende: ok
04:58<njende>operal: what is links?
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04:59<jm_>apt-cache show links
04:59<cate>njende: links is a web browser both text-only and graphical
04:59<webPragmatist>I tried looking in aptitude
04:59<spar74n>hi ppl i have a problem some of my numbers dont work as user but do work as root :O
04:59<webPragmatist>couldn't find it
05:00<spar74n>in X only dont know how to fix it
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05:00<operal>njende: somebody already gave the answer, it's yet another text based web browser
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05:01<cate>spar74n: what is "my numbers"
05:01<njende>operal: yep. thx anyway
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05:01<spar74n>for example i cant input dot or numbers four six eight nine and zero
05:01<spar74n>they just dont show up on screen
05:03<cate>you cannot input or they are not displayed?
05:03<spar74n>they are not displayed
05:03<jm_>is your keyobard working? :)
05:03<spar74n>yes it works as root perfectly but as user it gives me a headache lol
05:04<cate>export LANG=C
05:04<spar74n>i press number nine and nothing lol really wierd
05:04<spar74n>cate ?
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05:05<cate>maybe it is a problem of encoding. your locale has other encoding of normal numbers, but probably root use an other locale
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05:05<jm_>what does xmodmap -pk print for them?
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05:06<spar74n>jm_ lots of things lol can i change it somehow?
05:06<jm_>spar74n: what does it say for keysim 0x0031?
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05:07<jm_>can you paste it?
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05:08<dli>spar74n, gnome?
05:08<spar74n>zeroxzerozero31 (1) zeroxzerozero1 (exclam)
05:08<spar74n>dli no gnome
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05:10<spar74n>jm_ zeroxzerozero31 (1) zeroxzerozero1 (exclam)
05:10<jm_>spar74n: is that as user or as root?
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05:10<spar74n>jm_ as user
05:10<jm_> 10 0x0031 (1) 0x0021 (exclam)
05:10<jm_>spar74n: is it like that?
05:10<spar74n>just a sec
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05:11<jm_>that looks fine, what does xev say?
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05:12<spar74n>jm_ yes but when im in x and use aterm and sudo i still dont get the normal keys only in console as root
05:12<spar74n>jm_ some other keys also not working ctrl for example
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05:13<jm_>spar74n: run xev and see what it says when you press them
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05:14<spar74n>jm_ when i press two for example it says no symbol is there a way to reverse it or to copy the config file from root to user?
05:15<jm_>spar74n: so it doesn't say XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (31) "1" when you press 1? this is for KeyPress event
05:15<jm_>it's 32 and 2 for "2"
05:15<cate>spar74n: what version? IIRC I had also this problem. I'm googling
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05:16<indistylo>prob while install debian
05:16<spar74n>jm_ it says exactlz that
05:16<indistylo>help me
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05:17<spar74n>when i press two xlokup string gives bytes
05:17<spar74n>when i press two xlokup string gives zero bytes
05:17<operal>indistylo: try asking the specific question
05:18<jm_>spar74n: wtf
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05:20<indistylo>xlok up
05:20<indistylo>whats up?
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05:23<indistylo>!!!Debian R2 (Release 2.0) Linux Operating System INSTALLATION Problem?????
05:23<indistylo>(i.) Problem Regarding Installing Debian R2 (Release 2.0) Linux Operating System on my Hard Disk.When I try To install This OS on my Hard Disk .It Installs Successfully On my HDD.
05:23<indistylo>(ii.) When it reboot and try to detect all the Hardware components ,it fails to detect some devices and Does not show GUI Interface Or Command Line Interpreter /Terminal window.
05:23<indistylo>(iii.)Grub Has been Installed successfully.
05:23<indistylo>(iv.) Some of the output lines which are appearing on Booting .After that I try to boot my system with debian linux it shows these type of the output lines which are appearing on Booting screen as follows :
05:23<indistylo>???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
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05:36<spar74n>jm_ u there?
05:36<spar74n>jm_ i dont understand what is the problem here
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05:47<jm_>spion: yeah
05:47<jm_>spion: sorry, wasn't for you
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05:49<spar74n>jm_ it has nothing to do with kernel
05:50<spar74n>jm_ looks like user is all fckd up
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05:50<jm_>spar74n: X has its own keyboard handling
05:50<spar74n>jm_ where do i change that?
05:50<spar74n>jm_ X works find under root
05:51<spar74n>jm_ can i reconfigure keyboard somehow?
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05:54<jm_>spar74n: try comparing xmodmap output for both
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05:55<jm_>also see setxkbmap -print
05:55<spar74n>jm_ ok but how do i change that? can i use some config tool to autodetect it?
05:55<jm_>spar74n: just compare it first
05:55<spar74n>what was the command again?
05:56<spar74n>ok as root i get totally different results
05:56<spar74n>jm_ how can i set that user uses same as root?
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05:58<jm_>xmodmap -pk
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05:59<spar74n>jm_ ok i should have .xmodmaprc in my home dir but i dont i suppose i can specify there what modmap to use
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06:00<spion>jm_: yeah! ;)
06:01<jm_>spar74n: just compare the output first
06:01<spar74n>jm_ but i dont know how should it look /root also has no .xmodmaprc :)
06:01<spar74n>jm_ what u mean compare output?
06:01<jm_>spar74n: for root and user
06:02<padski>spar74n, man diff
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06:02<spar74n>jm_ then what? when i compare
06:03<jm_>spar74n: we will see what to do next later, just check if they differ first
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06:07<spar74n>i cant get > symbol on user i cant output the result to file lol
06:07<jm_>command | tee outpoutfile
06:08<jm_>or use script to capture it
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06:18<spar74n>OMFG guys im so stupid
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06:19<spar74n>partition was full thats the reason why modmap made problems
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06:21<dli>spar74n, that's why it works as root
06:21<dli>spar74n, most users should use only one big partition
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06:23<cate>dli: no. two partition. /home should be in an other partition, to allow new installations
06:23<dli>cate, use can easily reinstall from a big partition
06:24<cate>dli: without removing contents?
06:24<dli>cate, also, "reinstallation" is a weird idea for more users
06:24<cate>new users tend to reinstall system
06:24<dli>cate, if you need "reinstallation", probably, you should read docs first
06:25<padski>!spanish inquisition
06:25<dpkg>from memory, spanish inquisition is Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. Our chief weapon is surprise and fear...
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06:26<cate>dli: it take time to new users. "If user read docs first".. it is unfortunatelly not our world
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06:26<dli>cate, it's a #debian tradition, if you don't RTFM, no support
06:26<cate>oops it take time to new users to understand that unix is not linux
06:26<padski>cate, debian has excellent docs. users should be encouraged to use them.
06:26<cate>oops it take time to new users to understand that unix is not windows
06:27<cate>oops... I should rad before to paste
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06:27<jm_>!lart spar74n
06:27*dpkg pulls out his louisville slugger and uses spar74n's head to break the homerun record
06:29<padski>cate, and those of us with prior exposure to BASIC, well ...
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06:34<spar74n>dli i use 4gb ext3 for debian and have fat32 40gb its like dump because i have other oses on the same hdd
06:34<spar74n>dli i should have seen it but i have compiled a new kernel it tok a lot of space lol so i lost track of it
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06:35<spar74n>jm_ LOOOL
06:35<dli>spar74n, use a single big partition, that's the new standard for user desktop
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06:37<spar74n>dli i dont like that way i like small partition for os i dont need lots of stuff i can easly mount fat32 onto user home dir anyway
06:37<spar74n>!lart spar74n
06:37*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on spar74n
06:39<cate>using fat32 for homes is not very good. fat32 is not suited for unix (permissions,...)
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07:40<bathost>I have a problem connected with viewing manpages on etch1. If I want to view 2 pages and have finished with the first, the language telling me what to do next is not in my preferred language, English. How can I change it?
07:42<jm_>what is your locale set to?
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07:43<bathost>jm_: en_GB.UTF-8
07:43<jm_>bathost: type locale and verify LC_MESSAGES setting
07:44<bathost>jm_: It's the same: en_GB.UTF-8
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07:45<jm_>bathost: are they all set to en_GB.UTF-8?
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07:45<bathost>jm_: Yes apart from LC-ALL which is empty
07:46<jm_>bathost: and LANG?
07:46<bathost>jm_: That also is en_GB.UTF-8
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07:47<jm_>bathost: interesting, try strace -f -e open -o str.txt man ... and see which files it opens
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07:51<bathost>jm_: I ran it first without a ... replacement and it gave me a message: `quina pagina de manual voleur?'. Thinking it wanted a manpage I gave it bash and it showed the bash manpage in English
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07:51<Steph>Hi all
07:52<jm_>bathost: yeah man keyword or whatever - now check the files it opens in str.txt
07:52<Steph>I'm looking for tips to chroot java ... does somebody can help ?
07:52<padski>Steph, why ?
07:53<Steph>padski: to chroot tomcat ;)
07:53<Steph>padski: a dependecies problem on
07:54<Steph>when not chrooted, => /usr/tomcat/usr/java/jdk1.6.0_05/bin/../jre/lib/i686/ (0xb7eef000)
07:55<Steph>when chrooted, /usr/tomcat does not exists => libjli not found
07:55<cate>Steph: is it simpler to debootstrap tomcat ?
07:55<Steph>well, i'm already in virtualized instance
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07:55<cate>Steph: whai is the chroot?
07:55<cate>Steph: what is the chroot?
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07:56<Steph>cate: run command or interactive shell with special root directory
07:56<cate>could you verify that in chroot the links are correct? Ev. change it to use relative paths
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07:56<Steph>lol sorry cate
07:56<cate>Steph: I means, what is the chroot dir
07:57<Steph>yep. in chroot, other links are OK
07:57<Steph> => (0xffffe000)
07:57<Steph> => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ (0xb7ef9000)
07:57<Steph> => /usr/tomcat/usr/java/jdk1.6.0_05/bin/../jre/lib/i686/ (0xb7eef000)
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07:57<Steph> => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ (0xb7eeb000)
07:57<Steph> => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ (0xb7bda000)
07:57<Steph> /lib/ (0xb7f11000)
07:57<Steph>when chrooted : => not found
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07:57<cate>this seems wrong: => /usr/tomcat/usr/java/jdk1.6.0_05/bin/../jre/lib/i686/ (0xb7eef000)
07:58<Steph>yes it is !
07:58<cate>the /usr/tomcat it in chroot or outside chroot?
07:58<Steph>it is the chroot directory
07:58<Steph>the future root
07:59<cate>ok. but it is not valid in chroot
07:59<cate>so do:
08:00<cate>in chroot env: cd /usr/ ; ln -s ../ tomcat
08:00<cate>so that also in chroot you have a valid path named: /usr/tomcat/usr/java/
08:00<bathost>jm_: Sorry if I appear obtuse but I've never run strace before. str.txt has aabout a dozen files. If you want them all, tell me. In the mean time, one appears several times: /usr/share/locale/en_GB.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/ The en_GB.UTF-8 part of this is replaced by the following in turn: en_GB.utf8, en_GB, en_UTF-8, en_utf8, en. After that, it opens an entirely different file: /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache. (Preceeding all th
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08:02<Steph>in chroot : host:/usr# ls -altr
08:02<Steph>total 20
08:02<Steph>drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Mar 19 11:29 java
08:02<Steph>drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Mar 19 13:12 bin
08:02<Steph>drwxr-xr-x 9 1001 1001 4096 Mar 19 13:17 ..
08:02<Steph>drwxr-xr-x 5 1001 1001 4096 Mar 19 13:27 .
08:02<Steph>drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Mar 19 13:28 tomcat
08:02<jm_>bathost: your message is too long -- is it opening anything with fr in the name?
08:02<Steph>there is a tomcat
08:02<Steph>in tomcat :
08:02<Steph>:/usr/tomcat# ls -altr
08:02<Steph>total 12
08:02<Steph>drwxr-xr-x 9 0 0 4096 Mar 19 09:24 apache-tomcat-6.0.16
08:02<Steph>drwxr-xr-x 5 1001 1001 4096 Mar 19 13:27 ..
08:02<Steph>lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 10 Mar 19 13:28 usr -> ../../usr/
08:02<Steph>drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Mar 19 13:28 .
08:02<RoboIRC>whats that
08:02<bathost>jm_: No
08:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
08:03<Steph>cate: i tried this already this does not work :(
08:03<Steph>in chroot :
08:03<Steph>:/usr/tomcat# ldd /opt/java/bin/java
08:03<Steph> => (0xffffe000)
08:03<Steph> => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ (0xb7fca000)
08:03<Steph> => not found
08:03<Steph> => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ (0xb7fc5000)
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08:03<azeem>Steph: uhm, you were just told *not* to paste
08:03<jm_>bathost: hmm I wonder where it's getting it from then, which pager do you use?
08:04<bathost>jm_: less
08:04<azeem>Steph: /msg me when you acknowledged that you will not paste more than 3 lines in the chan so I can unquiet you
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08:06<jm_>bathost: huh and it's in french?
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08:07<Steph>I wonder why ldd always links to current dir...
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08:07<jm_>bathost: grep str.txt
08:07<jaakko>Steph: Hod did you create that "chroot" environment?
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08:08<Steph>well, i do not understand very well your question. but with ldd i copied libs to dirs
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08:08<bathost>jm_: I could be wrong. It behaves and looks exactly as does less. How do I find which it REALLY is?
08:10<padski>Steph, you might consider installing packages into your chroot, not everything is necessarily linked at load time.
08:10<jm_>bathost: it doesn't matter, that's probably man asking you, not less - you could verify in strace (with different options)
08:10<Steph>padski: how to know which packages ?
08:10<padski>Steph, package dependencies ?
08:11<padski>is a shell essential ?
08:11<Steph>well, ldd only shows me a bunch of libs
08:11<bathost>jm_: running the grep command gives the 6 lines I mentioned earlier.
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08:12<Steph>padski: I only copied thes libs given with ldd, nothing more
08:13<bathost>jm_: THis is looking more difficult than I thought. Perhaps I should try a few experiments and come back later.
08:14<jm_>bathost: how does the prompt look like?
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08:15<bathost>jm_: you mean the prompt I get after I've finished with a manpage?
08:15<jm_>bathost: yup
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08:16<padski>Steph, did you see the link to the ora book ?
08:16<Steph>yes padski, I was reading it before coming here
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08:17<bathost>jm_: --Man-- seguent: bash(1) [visualitza (retorn) | omet (Ctrl-D) | surt (CTRL-C ]
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08:18<jm_>bathost: right, that's man-db asking you, not less - but where is it coming from if it's not opening any non-GB message catalogs - are you sure your message catalogs are OK?
08:19<jm_>bathost: does setting LANG help?
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08:21<bathost>jm_: No I'm not sure they're ok. I'll try setting LANG to something differne from en_GB.UTF-8. I'll try C.
08:21<padski>Steph, as an alternative you might look at selinux
08:21<jm_>bathost: I was thjiking set it to en_GB first
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08:23<bathost>jm_: I tried C and, seeing your message, en_GB. Both replied in English.
08:23<jm_>bathost: now that's pretty weird and stupid, let me try here
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08:25<bathost>jm_: As a precaution, I tried en_GB.UTF-8 aagain and I got the same foreign language.
08:25<jm_>bathost: hmm it works for me if I have LANG set
08:26<bathost>jm_: Do you mean LANG or LC_ALL? LANG has always been set but LC_ALL is empty
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08:27<jm_>bathost: just LANG in environment (not what locale shows)
08:28<spar74n>hey guys how do i change permissions for some directory and all its files and subfiles?
08:28<spar74n>for example i wanna give some user rw acess to a dir
08:30<bathost>jm_: LANG in environment is same as locale shows: en_GB.UTF-8. I've just logged out and in to check.
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08:30<jm_>bathost: env to display it
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08:31<jm_>bathost: that setup works fine here on etch
08:31<ano>chmod +rw
08:31<ano>chmod -R +rw /dir
08:31<ano>-R for recursion
08:31<bathost>jm_: I used echo $LANG
08:32<bathost>jm_: Unfortunately, I using etch1
08:32<jm_>bathost: what is etch1?
08:32<ano><spar74n> ?
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08:33<bathost>jm_: etch unstable: lenny or sid
08:34<jm_>bathost: which version of man-db do you have installed?
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08:36<bathost>jm_: you've got me so that I can display in English so I now have a pincer on it. Also there is a difference between en_GB and en_GB.UTF-8 so there's something there as well to look at. Experimentation time would you think? man-db 2.5.1-3
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08:36<jm_>bathost: ahh you're using unstable
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08:37<bathost>jm_: Yes.
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08:46<r00t4rd>i'm trying to install debian on a netwinder. when i boot the boot.img i notice that i get an error during boot which says something along the lines of "IP-Config can't find device 'eth0'" after which point i get errors about not being able to connect to the nfs server for the rootfs.
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08:48<azeem>r00t4rd: so that sounds your ethernet device is not being detected
08:48<azeem>do all netwinders have the same network adapter?
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08:51<Supaplex>!ops suspected proxy flood in the midst?
08:51<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: suspected proxy flood in the midst
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08:51<Supaplex>30 someodd hosts with ~ idents all joining now?
08:52<r00t4rd>yah they do. they have 2. according the installation docs i should be using the 10base t adapter which uses the ne2k device module.
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08:53<cate>Supaplex: but it was the same pattern as the last NETPLIT
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08:54<azeem>r00t4rd: did you see whether dmesg is available in the installer?
08:55<azeem>or is this some netboot thing, and you're basically out of luck?
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08:56<Ed1son>hi there?
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08:56<r00t4rd>it's a netboot thing
08:56<Ed1son>any body here???
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08:57<r00t4rd>now i've been playing around with it a bit and am now wondering if there is a way to get the boot.img to boot the initrd.gz as well some how.
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08:59<Supaplex>why isn't it in the boot.img to begin with?
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09:01<r00t4rd>beats me. it's a boot.img that obtained from,
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09:05<azeem>r00t4rd: did you read the install manual for netbooting?
09:07<r00t4rd>yep. many times. is there something that i'm missing?
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09:33<JasonF>Hey, I'm getting random freezes/crases on a lenny server I'm running nagios3 on. When it locks up, it doesn't respond to ping or anything, but it's still "powered on". I can't look at the console either because it is a vmware server and the console goes away when the system goes unresponsive.
09:33<JasonF>There's nothing in the syslog when it happens, either.
09:33<JasonF>Any thoughts?
09:34<mysupper>Anybody using squid and apache2 in one machine? I wonder I can improve some performance by this method.
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09:36<Supaplex>JasonF: does it happen on etch too?
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09:36<thomasbl_>setup[19.03.2008 08:35:30] pp_setup_proto_rsp_recv(): setsockopt(SO_RCVTIMEO) failed: Numerical argument out of domain <<< can anyone deal with such an error?
09:36<thomasbl_>whats wrong with my system?
09:36<thomasbl_>did I need any libraries?
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09:41<JasonF>Supaplex: We have several etch boxes running under VM, and we don't get crashes
09:41<JasonF>but none of them are running nagios3 :)
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09:43<JasonF>Supaplex: I suspect it has something to do with new kernel and/or gcc and vmware kernel modules
09:43<JasonF>so I'm going to unload the vmware kernel modules and use the default linux net driver and see if that makes it happier
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09:46<JasonF>Supaplex: especially given the fact their fs sharing module doesn't even compile
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09:52<Steph>Hello there, back to chrooting java
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09:54<Steph>I copied to lib/ dir, and addes some more libs that ldd java does not spot, I copied them to lib/ dir (,
09:54<Steph>but i've got a last (i think) pb ; launching chrooted java gives : "Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Can't detect initial thread stack location - find_vma failed"
09:56<Scurz>I've that in my apache log ; what does it mean? is it grave or not ?
09:57<jaakko>Scurz: Perhaps someone using http1.0
09:57<jaakko>Scurz: And you apache serving only http1.1
09:58<jMCg_>Scurz: that's an HTTP/1.0 or HTTP/0.9 application, doing a HTTP/1.1 request WRONG.
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09:58<jaakko>Scurz: Sorry, It seems that it was invalid request, as saying http1.1 but no host header
09:58<jMCg>Apache will still serve it, I think.
09:58<jMCg>Not sure, though.
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09:59<jMCg>Nope, it won't.
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09:59<jMCg>nc localhost 8001
09:59<jMCg>GET / HTTP/1.1
09:59<jMCg>HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
10:00<Scurz>well, I don't care for this message (because I saw "")
10:00<jaakko>Scurz: no worries, that is client's problem, not yours
10:01<Scurz>ok, thank you for your help jaakko & jMCg ;)
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10:13<Steph>amzing, it seems to work
10:13<Steph>I needed to mkdir a proc/ dir and do mount -t proc linprocfs proc/
10:14<Steph>in /usr/tomcat (my future chrooted root), i've mkdir a proc dir and mounted this in it
10:14<Steph>no errors on chrooted java -version
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10:48<Scurz>does someone know why in /var/mail/, the file "kaduma" (it's a user) is named "BOGUS.kaduma.OUuN" ?
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10:50<Scurz>mm, no, there is "kaduma" and "BOGUS.kaduma.OUuN", strange :/
10:51<spar74n>hey ppl are there any advices on building custom kenel?
10:51<Supaplex>!tell spar74n -about kp
10:52<Supaplex>and avoid it if you're in the shiney new software syndrome class
10:52<spar74n>Supaplex i know that but i was thinking like advice about settings...
10:52*Supaplex forgets what factoid that lives in.
10:53<Supaplex>why are you rolling a new kernel?
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10:53<spar74n>there is a lot of things i dont need and i have some specific hardware so would like to test and learn
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10:54<Supaplex>copy the .config from a stock kernel, make old config, and make menuconfig to change options
10:54<Supaplex>most of the things you 'dont need' are modules anyway.
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10:54<spar74n>ok i did already one kernel now trying to improve this second one more
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10:54<spar74n>Supaplex true
10:55<Supaplex>so... you want a list of options to add/remove/modify?
10:56<jaakko>Scurz: Found with Google:
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10:56<spar74n>i used old config file kernel was working gr8 i just didnt touch some stuff i didnt knew what was for
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10:56<Supaplex>make menuconfig has help for most of the options
10:56<jaakko>Scurz: It says, that perhaps procmail writes that file, if problems with real mbox
10:57<Scurz>jaakko: sorry, I didn't find a response like this one with google
10:57<Scurz>jaakko: okay
10:57<spar74n>btw do u know what is the general difference between and for example 2.6.9 kernels?
10:57<Supaplex>a few years
10:58<Supaplex>you know, like the diff from a 4 year old, and a new born baby.... LOTS :P
10:58<spar74n>Supaplex LOOOL im so stupid
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10:58<Supaplex>each version has a changelog
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10:59<spar74n>i was thinking its like 2.6.9 is like better than 2.6.24 24 is like in damn math lol
10:59<spar74n>OMG stupid fish thats what i am lol
11:00<Engywuck>2.6.18 is like a year old or so
11:00<weasel>yes. you can tell easily by the "lol" at the end of your sentences.
11:00<spar74n>weasel lol omg
11:00<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
11:01<spar74n>AOL user
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11:01<Supaplex>'retro' AOluzer
11:01<Engywuck>lol is typed WAY faster
11:02<spar74n>Supaplex damn AOL not using that im not even from USA
11:02<Supaplex>Engywuck: but hahahaha is all on home row.
11:02<Engywuck>but i need two fingers, not just one
11:02<Engywuck><--- 20 years of computers and still 2-finger-typer
11:02<Supaplex>one finger is less ergonomic
11:02<Supaplex>sounds like a personal problem :P haha
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11:03<spar74n>one finger is more comfortable up in ass
11:03<Supaplex>if you say so
11:03<weasel>let's stay on topic.
11:03<spar74n>what that im luzer?
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11:04<spar74n>well to be honest i am... insted of living my precious little life im sitting in a chair and playing with some wierd things
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11:07<Engywuck>we dont want to know spar74n
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11:16<Steph>thanks for ideas :)
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11:35<bebin>will vmware cause virus in linux
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11:36<p_quarles>bebin: no, it won't
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11:37<dpkg>well, fud is Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or
11:37<bebin>p_quarles: thanks
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11:47<Raoni>Where I obtain one source for java6-bin?
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12:03<jaakko>Raoni: Do you mean sun-java6-bin?
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12:06<JohnGH>Where do I change the "Welcome to $HOSTNAME" message that wdm uses?
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12:08<Hustle>Reicht es wenn ich "debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent" bzw dann das entsprechende iso tatsächlich über torrent runterladen, um von diesem dann zu installieren und benötigte Packages, die nicht in CD1 enthalten sind, dann übers Netz nachgeladen werden?
12:09<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:10<jaakko>Raoni: JohnGH, have you tried "man wdm"?
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12:10<jaakko>Raoni: sorry, that had nothing to do with you
12:11<path_>tab is a bad friend sometimes :D
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12:11<JohnGH>jaakko: Indeed I did
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12:14<jaakko>JohnGH: have you found the config file, read it?
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12:14<dpkg>[ko] KNOCK OUT, or danish for cow mooooo
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12:21<jaakko>JohnGH: This might help, as wdm is based on xdm:
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13:35<taeschd>hello everybody
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13:36<rich>i'd like to listen to bbc world news. what player do i need to add?
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13:36<taeschd>ive installed debian on my pc and id like 2 download sw like afio, m(io)nd(io), tivoli etc by aptitude
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13:37<themill_>rich: either flash or an mp3 player is needed for bbc stuff these days, aiui
13:37<rich>thanks, i'll try flash
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13:38<taeschd>do u know how 2 connect 2 debian-server with aptitude in order 2 download some software?
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13:39<Nemoder>taeschd: simply run aptitude and use the menus to search for the software you want and install it, where are you stuck?
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13:40<taeschd>eg do i want 2 download and install mondo
13:41<taeschd>seems 2 work
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13:54<mamja>need some advice for longshine pci network card
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13:54<mamja>card id is lcs-8038txi
13:54<mamja>is it supported yet?
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13:56<mamja>someone reading this?
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13:58<jaakko>mamja: do you have it istalled, are you running debian?
13:58<hypnotic>hi there, I am trying to access my usb flash disk from virtualbox xp but nothing shows up (usb scanner is working), I can only find some ubuntu tutorials which have a slighty different setup, I was thinking of changing SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device", \ MODE="0664" to MODE="0666"
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13:59<jaakko>mamja: Can you see it with "ifconfig -a"?
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14:24<spartan>hi ppl
14:24<spartan>i have a problem with custom kernel it wont load root filesystem
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14:26<jaakko>spartan: then I guess you did not include everything you need. Filesystems, drivers...
14:26<salmin>did you build in the filesystem driver?
14:26<salmin>try to tun mkinitrd
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14:34<spartan>jaako i did included everythin i just not did kpkg method
14:35<spartan>salamin i cant now its on my job computer
14:36<spartan>salamin it starts ok but stops at mounting root filesystem i suppose i did not made initrd as i should
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14:36<spartan>because kernel compiled ok and modules compiled ok
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14:39<spartan>jaako i just dont understand i did make xconfig did make bzImage make modules make modules install and added bzImage to menu.lst
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14:40<spartan>later i found out i need to make initrd and i did udate-initramfs -c -k ''
14:41<jaakko>spartan: Did you add that menu.lst too?
14:41<spartan>and it made initrd image and i included it also into menu.lst but it still wont mount root filesystem and i added root=/ also and its correct
14:41<spartan>jaako yes
14:42<spartan>jaako i did not remove any filesystem from xconfig i left it as it was almost all fs are checked on
14:42<jaakko>spartan: When you boot, do you see "checking initramfs.." "running init-top" etc before mounting root?
14:42<spartan>im sorry if i sound stupid but i just wanna learn
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14:42<spartan>jaako i think yes
14:42<spartan>jaako yes
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14:43<spartan>jaako what could it be? i will try kpkg method tomorrow
14:44<jaakko>spartan: If that really happens, you can debug manually. Add to your boot kernel row "root=/dev/ram0 break=bottom". You will drop in initramfs shell, and you can try to mount your root device to /root
14:45<spartan>jaako tough it should not matter if vmlinuz and initrd are in /boot and modules are in /lib/modules
14:45<spartan>jakko maybe new kernel recognizes the hdd as some other device on old kernel its /dev/sda
14:46<jaakko>spartan: where did you take the old .config? Your running system?
14:46<spartan>jaako nowhere its in /boot
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14:48<jaakko>spartan: Yes, that is what I meant, did you cp /boot/config* to your source dir when compiling?
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14:48<spartan>i saved xconfig .config into source dit when compiling
14:48<spartan>compile is good i think
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14:51<jaakko>spartan: I am repeating my self, sorry, but did you copy it before you run "make xconfig"?
14:51<spartan>jaako no
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14:52<spartan>jaako it had some dfault config file already
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14:53<jaakko>spartan: so what was that .config file you started editing with "make xconfig"? Well, I am not sure if it was right one.
14:54<spartan>jaako u mean i should have added my own .config from working kernel?
14:54<jaakko>spartan: But don't know, if that is what your previous kernel was. You could copy eg /boot/config-2.6.18-5-486 as .config to your source directory.
14:55<jaakko>spartan: And then run "make oldconfig" or "make xconfig" and leave everything as it was.
14:55<spartan>jaako yes but it already had default .config file in it self
14:55<jaakko>spartan: How did you get the source?
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14:56<jaakko>spartan: Then it is the wrong config most likely
14:56<jaakko>spartan: It is some default which works on someones computer, not yours.
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14:56<spartan>will try my working conf file
14:57<spartan>but it boots fb in 1280x800
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14:58<Nemoder>make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom1 kernel_image
14:58<Nemoder>easiest way to do it
14:58<spartan>Nemoder yes i know now haha
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15:24<Kebianizao>I've connected to a remote machine use ssh -X is there a way to redirect an already running application from the remote host display to my (local)display?
15:24<Kebianizao>and without having to restart the application (AFAIK xmove would require this)
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15:26<Nemoder>Kebianizao: I'm not sure about individual apps but if you want to completely control a remote active desktop you can use x11vnc and vncviewer
15:27<ramoonas>anybody having problems with ldap authentication from linux to linux lately?
15:27<Kebianizao>Nemoder: thanks, I'd prefer just moving an app, any idea?
15:27<Kebianizao>BTW, what about NX vs VNC? which one to choose?
15:28<Nemoder>I've not tried NX
15:28<petemc>nx is better
15:28<koollman>Kebianizao: I would choose NX (less bandwidth, and it 'feels' faster)
15:28<Kebianizao>petemc: any drawback over vnc?
15:29<petemc>freenx might not work too well
15:29<petemc>i use the nomachine debs, not even sure of the license
15:30<Kebianizao>ty :)
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15:49<roende>what web browser would you recommend for my very old openbox laptop? it should be light but still show web pages normally (unlike dillo)
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15:50<amphi>roende: kazehakase is a lighter gecko-based browser; maybe not light enough
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15:50<roende>but it's lighter than FF/IW or Opera right?
15:51<amphi>dunno about opera; it seems lighter than ff/iw
15:51<amphi>worth a try, perhaps
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15:52<roende>then how is that old gnome browser galeon? i've never tried it. what's the thing with that?
15:52<amphi>there is hope: midori, a light webkit-gtk based browser, but it's very alpha still
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15:54<Nemoder>konquerer is pretty light
15:55<roende>yeah if you use it as a file browser, it doesn't weight anything... but i dont
15:55<Nemoder>it's the default web browser for deli linux
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16:01<LinBe>hi there! Can anyone tell me what is the best linux program to translate text into different languarges?
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16:08<gabriel>hola a todos
16:09<gabriel>alguien puede decirme donde consigo un listado completo de los canales disponibles
16:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:09<gabriel>primera vez que uso este programa
16:10<gabriel>gracias a todos
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16:13<Woet>is there a command like 'su user', but with a password parameter?
16:13<Woet>such as 'su user -p password
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16:13<Woet>i want to be able to do 'su user -p password && nohup ./server &'
16:14<p_quarles>Woet: that would save the password in plain text in bash_history
16:14<p_quarles>not a good idea
16:14<Woet>well, i need to execute something with 1 line
16:14<Woet>and i dont want to grant the user itself SSH access
16:15<Woet>or could someone explain me how to only accept certain hosts to connect to SSH?
16:15<ifvoid>p_quarles: even worse, it would put the root password in ps output for everyone to read
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16:15<p_quarles>Woet: you could look into allow.hosts -- never used that, but that should do the trick
16:16<the-dude>Woet: iptables, key autheticatian, hosts.allow
16:16<Supaplex>Woet: man ssh, search for forced commands
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16:16<p_quarles>oops, yes, hosts.allow not allow.hosts
16:17<the-dude>Woet: you can also put a line in your authorized_keys something like from="hostname" $key
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16:29<metalforever>i need a bit of help if anyones willing, involves sound
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16:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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16:34<Supaplex>some just give up before it's started.
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16:36<StucKman_>hi all. I'm trying to maintain a computer that has no inet access. from time to time I want to both install new packages and apply updates. I tried to use apt-zip as follows:
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16:36<StucKman_>I have a similar computer w/ inet access. I just apt-get update, so I get the packages files up-to-date. then I copy over those files (from /var/lib/apt/lists/) to the machine and dpkg --update-available. that lets me use dselect or dpkg. *but* apt/aptitude don't know anything about the new packages, so apt-zip fails.
16:36<StucKman_>so the question is: how do I make apt/aptitude parse the new Pakages files?
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16:39<linuxguy>Is there a an easy way to install ati drivers for 4.3?
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16:40<linuxguy>or a wiki thats easy to understand?
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16:41<the-dude>StucKman_: can't you just copy the whole /var/cache/apt dir?
16:41<the-dude>StucKman_: or use the other computer als a apt-cacher?
16:43<StucKman_>the-dude: how come?
16:43*StucKman_ reads about apt-cacherf
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16:44<StucKman_>the-dude: hmm, yes, that's better than the other option
16:45<the-dude>StucKman_: yeah and it is not that hard
16:46<StucKman_>I'll have to hack apt-zip
16:47<the-dude>StucKman_: are both computers in a network?
16:47<StucKman_>the-dude: no, boith are 2 km apart
16:47<the-dude>StucKman_: then just copy the whole /var/cache/apt dir
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16:50<StucKman_>the-dude: I don't get this: which are the authoritative info? /var/lib/apt/lists/ or /var/cache/apt?
16:52<the-dude>StucKman_: a other option might be to download a dvd
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16:53<linuxguy> Is there a an easy way to install ati drivers for 4.3?
16:53<StucKman_>the-dude: yes, but it doesn't have all I need in that computer
16:53<the-dude>StucKman_: and if you wanna copy it you should copy /var/cache/apt so it includes pkgcache files
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16:54<StucKman_>the-dude: ok, then the question is: how are those files generated?
16:54<StucKman_>I can do it for dpkg/dselect with dpkg --merge-available
16:54<metalforever>anyone willing to help me configure my sound correctly?
16:55<the-dude>linuxguy: yes apt-get install module-assistant; and build the fglrx-kernel
16:55<metalforever>i know this is annoying and repetitive in this channel, but ive really troubleshooted everything i could think of, and this is coming from someone who built lfs.
16:55<the-dude>metalforever: whats the problem?
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16:56<metalforever>Doesnt work. Im using etch. ive terminated all sund processes before running alsaconf. alsaconf detects my driver, the sound is not muted. i checked the speakers, i modprobed my sound driver... its just *not* working
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16:57<the-dude>metalforever: what soundcard? does the module get loaded?
16:57<metalforever>module gets loaded. snd_hda_intel
16:58<metalforever>still doesnt work even after i know its loaded...
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17:08<Kostucha>hi all
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17:09<Kostucha>does any1 know how to manipulate txt files
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17:09<Kostucha>ive got 22k lines problem :)
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17:10<_shai_>Kostucha: rm is my favorite, but you may want to consider sed, awk or perl depending on what you want to do.
17:10<Kostucha>yes i read about sed
17:11<Kostucha>but its little problem
17:11<Kostucha>i wish to remove 11 chars from all lines
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17:12<Kostucha>not from begining and not from end of each line
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17:12<mohammad99>hi evry1
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17:13<Kostucha>do Ypu think sed will handle the problem
17:13<_shai_>So you just want to remove 11 random letters from each line>
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17:13<the-dude>Kostucha: yeah that would be pretty easy , first remove the first part, save it, en then remove the last part and save it again
17:14<gloupy>i need a simple and clean way to make debian reload my iptable-save'd rules after a reboot. anyone ?
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17:15<the-dude>gloupy: why a reload?
17:15<Kostucha>yes but my file has got more than 20k lines
17:15<gloupy>won't survive the reboot
17:15<_shai_>gloupy: iptables-restore?
17:15<p_quarles>gloupy: you'll need a line loading them in /etc/network/interfaces
17:15<the-dude>gloupy: whats the problem? just save them and reboot them
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17:15<gloupy>it's not run automatcially ?
17:15<gloupy>or is it ?
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17:15<p_quarles>no, the-dude is incorrect
17:16<_shai_>gloupy: No, it's not. I remember writing a quick&dirty init script to take care of that for me.
17:16<_shai_>I'm sure there's a better debianized way, but I couldn't be bothered to look for it.
17:16<gloupy>that's what i think. there must be a clean and easy way in debian
17:17<p_quarles>the way I do it: under the main interface line, add a new line that says: pre-up iptables-restore < filename
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17:17<gloupy>p_quarles : looks good
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17:18<linuxguy>>>me thinks Im saying bye bye to debian!.......the above post apt-get install module-assistant; and build the fglrx-kernel does not workies!!
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17:18<Kostucha>thx for help ppl i found solution ... sed and scripts
17:18<the-dude>linuxguy: yes it does
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17:22<graytron>what happened to gcombust?
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17:24<gloupy>p_quarles : it works. great.
17:24<p_quarles>gloupy: yep. I think it's the best way to auto-run iptables, though there are other ways
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17:24<gloupy>yes it's clean bcs it's bound to the interface
17:25<gloupy>although you can have in your iptable-save'd rules some rules related to other interfaces
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17:25<gloupy>which is less cool
17:26<p_quarles>gloupy: you could separate them into separate rule files for each interface, and then load them respectively (I think)
17:26<gloupy>yep. best way imho
17:26<the-dude>or you could use something like shorewall
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17:29<gloupy>ok time 2 go
17:29<gloupy>thanks !
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17:32<devphyl>hi folks, I have problem install etch on my computer - problem is in GPU = geforce 6600: after installation I receive gray crashed screen - I cannot read anything on the monitor, also in terminal mode; resolution changes in xorg.conf or ctrl+alt+plus||minus do nothing - so I think that I should use better GPU driver than standard one
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17:32<devphyl>is it righteous suspicion ?
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17:34<devphyl>how load driver while debian installation ?
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17:37<roysmeding>heh. i was going to ask something but fixed it. i'll stay about, just in case
17:38<roysmeding>although right now i'll get out of single user mode again
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17:54<panagos>is there a tool to parse windows .lnk files in linux?
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17:58<jaakko>panagos: what would you do with windows files in linux? parse, to what format?
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17:59<panagos>jaakko: i'd like to see what's in them, like what would show up if from windows i right-clicked on one and chose properties :)
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17:59<devphyl>panagos: yes, there are many tools: perl, python, bash,. ...
18:00<panagos>devphyl: ok, do you have any python module to suggest?
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18:07<jaakko>panagos: It is well documented in wikipedia so you could program it. But finding ready to go... may be difficult.
18:07<jaakko>panagos: Isn't the filename enough, it's in ascii.
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18:08<panagos>jaakko: no, i also want the working dir and command line arguments :|
18:08<panagos>plus whatever else there is :D
18:09<jaakko>I would do that for money, but not for fun right now :)
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18:11<jaakko>panagos: Have you looked it, how much you can see as plain text?
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18:11<panagos>a big part is in utf-16
18:11<jaakko>panagos: Well, there is a Perl library!
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18:11<panagos>oh right!
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18:12<panagos>jaakko: i also think i found a pytho module, hachoir :D
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18:12<jaakko>panagos: There are other weird people too!
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18:13<panagos>well, i'm not at all good at perl, so i think i'll try the python module first :D (and it's also in apt!)
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18:17<jaakko>panagos: I really didn't think that many are writing windows programs with python and such module may be usefull. I'm becoming linux zealot :-|
18:18<panagos>jaakko: well, there are many crazy people out there! :P
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18:19<AleFranz>looking for help with frequency scaling on Athlon X2. got the "powernow-k8: MP systems not supported by PSB BIOS structure" error on both 2.6.22 i386 and amd64
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18:21<vook>AleFranz: are you using cpu-freq?
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18:22<vook>(maybe cpufreq actually) - either way - I'm not sure about your arch. I have an older AMD64. You may have to modify the kernel.
18:23<AleFranz>just recompiled the kernel with it in, not module as default
18:24<AleFranz>but got the same error
18:25<AleFranz>I think it's related to dual processor, googled all the day... but still no solution
18:25<vook>hmm, not sure - I'm on a different machine now so I can't reference my setup. Yeah, mine isn't dual. Maybe look for it in /proc - you may be able to just echo something to something in there.
18:26<vook>(or you may have to recompile cpufreq to support MP ??)
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18:27<AleFranz>I'm not sure a dual core have to use MP
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18:29<madman>!dpkg etch ipw3945
18:30<jaakko>AleFranz: There is someone succeed with Ubuntu and X2:
18:30<snogglethorpe>anyone know wtf is in the new "gnome-power-manager" package to make it 11MB in size...?
18:30<snogglethorpe>together with the stuff it drags in, the total bloat from that package seems to be about 20MB
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18:31<snogglethorpe>[all for suspend-to-disk?!?]
18:31<AleFranz>thx jaakko. I'm trying
18:33<jaakko>snogglethorpe: Do you have Gnome installed? Here you can see the content:
18:33<snogglethorpe>jaakko: yah have it installed
18:34<snogglethorpe>jaakko: i was just shocked that it's bloated up so much
18:34<snogglethorpe>jaakko: gnome is truely the bloatmaster...
18:34<jaakko>snogglethorpe: Yeah, I could not live with Gnome myself.
18:34<snogglethorpe>jaakko: the thing is, I like GTK a lot
18:35<snogglethorpe>jaakko: but gnome, ... man...
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18:36<jaakko>snogglethorpe: I think it is becoming a poor mans windows step by step. If you combine all the bad thing in linux and windows, you get gnome. Cmd-line control lost to gui-apps, but poor gui.
18:36<AleFranz>I'm quite sure mine problem it's a BIOS related problem -.-
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18:38<snogglethorpe>jaakko: i dunno... well at least the GUI seems to be better than e.g. qt, but I dunno how much longer I can take the "resources be damned" attitude
18:38<snogglethorpe>jaakko: isn't there some alternative which is basically GTK based but without all the gnome bloat?
18:38<snogglethorpe>jaakko: forget what it's called
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18:39<snogglethorpe>madman: that just seems to be a WM
18:39<madman>my bad
18:39<madman>i read too fast
18:41<jaakko>snogglethorpe: I have selected only the apps I need but it is difficult to avoid "bloat".
18:41<snogglethorpe>seriously though, I think lots of good stuff has come out of (or is associated with) the gnome project, but it's like they don't know when to put on the brakes
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18:42<snogglethorpe>Like wtf is with mono? Does _anybody_ actually want that? Every mono app I've ever tried has been unusably flaky, and used immense gobs of resources for essentially trivial functionality...
18:43<jaakko>snogglethorpe: yes, and it is a good set of programs to start with if new to linux.
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18:44<snogglethorpe>[in fact, the only time in recent memory I've had a kernel crash resulted from trying some silly little mono app!]
18:44<snogglethorpe>[which installed like 200MB of libraries...]
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18:47<snogglethorpe>btw, there's #debian on both and what's general difference between these?
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18:49<dpkg>rumour has it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>
18:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network,, and you can visit their web page at You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
18:51<Supaplex>snogglethorpe: they're pretty much the same, but is the more offical one. I guess we're holding onto the legacy one, because it still has enough attention.
18:51<snogglethorpe>!fact sharing
18:51<dpkg>methinks fact sharing is I show the same facts on both freenode and OFTC. If you update a fact on one network, it will show up on the other network
18:51<snogglethorpe>Supaplex: hmmm
18:51<snogglethorpe>Supaplex: I think every time I've posted a question I got flamed...
18:52<snogglethorpe>Supaplex: whereas here today so far so good... :-/
18:52<p_quarles>the freenode channel is a lot busier -- more users = more flames, usually
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18:53<snogglethorpe>p_quarles: yeah... a lot of people there seemed ... "brittle" might be the best word
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18:53<jaakko>I have never seen flaming here
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18:55<p_quarles>jaakko: well, dpkg has some interesting flames, but that's all I've seen
18:55<Supaplex>!flame #debian
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18:58<the-dude> /msg dpkg etch
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18:58<knoppix_>oh fuck, it works
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18:59<jaakko>knoppix_: viagra? eh heh.
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18:59<Supaplex>Guest1925: how's that wannabe debian distro?
18:59<antonello>italiani ci sono
19:00<Guest1925>knoppix distro
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19:00<Guest1925>knoppix: distro=knoppix
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19:00<Guest1925>im looking for a tool to test my 2.0usb webcam
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19:01<Guest1925>seems to be a coloured crowd of incomatible peaple
19:02<Guest1925>em, .."people"
19:02<jaakko>Guest1925: You found a webcam which has linux drivers? What is it?
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19:03<Guest1925>oh, there are some , speciially old webcams running with linux, like logitec clicksmart 310
19:04<Guest1925>soms old nonema webcams run with the application "gqcam"
19:05<Guest1925>some old noname webcams run with the application "gqcam"
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19:06<Guest1925>but i need a new webcam usb 2.0 for linux, i try to build lowbudget robot eyes,
19:07<jaakko>Guest1925: nice project, what the robot will do?
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19:08<Guest1925>see, react, listen, watch, and answere, also playing chess, walking around, fetching beer...
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19:12<AleFranz>looking for help with frequency scaling on Athlon X2. got the "powernow-k8: MP systems not supported by PSB BIOS structure" error on both 2.6.22 i386 and amd64
19:12<AwesomeGuy>how do i set up a ftp server?
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19:12<Guest1925>Awesome: which linux distro do you use
19:13<AwesomeGuy>what channel am i in :P
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19:15<jaakko>AwesomeGuy: Try Google "debian ftp server". Here is one hit:
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19:16<AwesomeGuy>k ty
19:18<jaakko>AwesomeGuy: Oll you need "aptitude install proftpd", and then "man proftpd"
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19:20<AwesomeGuy>for some reason it installed libpq4 along with proftpd, was it supposed to do that
19:20<jaakko>AwesomeGuy: This might be lighter
19:20<AwesomeGuy>i already installed proftpd
19:20<jaakko>AwesomeGuy: Yes, it detects the dependencies automatically
19:21<jaakko>AwesomeGuy: ok, thats fine
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19:22<jaakko>AwesomeGuy: Here is howto
19:22<AwesomeGuy>i already have it installed and it seems to be working fine
19:24<jaakko>AwesomeGuy: :)
19:25<jaakko>AwesomeGuy: What is it sharing by default?
19:25<AwesomeGuy>I think just /home/ftp
19:26<AwesomeGuy>do oyu want to test it for me
19:26<AwesomeGuy> see if you can log in as anonymous
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19:28<subzero988>How do I make ssh start on boot on my damn small linux install?
19:28<vook>AwesomeGuy: vsftp is preferred...
19:28<Xenguy>subzero988: wrong channel ?
19:28<AwesomeGuy>what makes vsftp so special?
19:28<subzero988>Xenguy: it's debian :-)
19:28<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
19:29<AwesomeGuy>I don't see anything wrong with proftpd
19:29<Xenguy>subzero988: as opposed to DSL, yes :p
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19:29<jaakko>AwesomeGuy: It asks password for anonymous(?)
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19:29<AwesomeGuy>just press enter
19:29<AwesomeGuy>it doesnt work right
19:30<vook>AwesomeGuy: proftpd is good to (but not wu-ftp (for security purposes))
19:30<subzero988>Xenguy: do you know how to get ssh to start on boot?
19:30<AwesomeGuy>nobody knows the username or password
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19:30<Xenguy>subzero988: I use debian, and yes
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19:31<subzero988>Xenguy: can you help me?
19:32<Xenguy>subzero988: sorry, it should be clear, this channel supports debian, not other distros
19:32<gsimmons>subzero988: Try asking in #damnsmalllinux on
19:32<jaakko>subzero988: "man update-rc.d"
19:33<jaakko>subzero988: or write in some boot script (/etc/rc.local) "/etc/init.d/ssh start"
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19:35<AwesomeGuy>im trying to install open-sshserver and it said i need to put in the cd but idk where the cd is
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19:36<Supaplex>AwesomeGuy: take the cd line out of sources.list, run apt-get update again.
19:36<Supaplex>!tell AwesomeGuy -about sources.list
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19:40<AwesomeGuy>anyone else here set up a ssh/ftp server?
19:40<Supaplex>everyone and their dog has
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19:42<gef>my dog doesn't use ftp
19:42<AwesomeGuy>lol, connecting to myself with ssh is just like having a normal terminal window open.
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19:43<AwesomeGuy>how does having a web server cost money? theo nly thing I can see that would need to be payed for is the internet bill and eectricity bill
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19:43<AwesomeGuy>* electricity
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19:44<gef>rental on floor space in a well connected location > your income
19:45<AwesomeGuy>why cant you just use a room in your own house with a computer connected to the internet
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19:45<gef>you can
19:45<Supaplex>you can, provided your isp has no quams with it
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19:46<Supaplex>as in, read the terms of service, or ask them if they permit that
19:47<AwesomeGuy>they wouldnt catch on unless they are monitoring everyone
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19:49<AwesomeGuy>imagine how slow a web server would be on dial up lol
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19:51<AleFranz>I recompiled 2.6.22 on lenny using .config from linux-image but I got a VFS: Cannot open root device. Grub parameters are ok. any hint?
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19:53<Supaplex>AleFranz: what's the root= setting?
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19:55<AleFranz>like in the entry for the working debian kernel
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19:56<Supaplex>what's the old kernel?
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19:57<AleFranz>Supaplex: same version
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19:57<Supaplex>and you used the same .config? what's changed?
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19:58<AwesomeGuy>setting up ssh and ftp was alot easier then i expected
19:59<AwesomeGuy>I didn't even have to do anything, really
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19:59<lucas_amorim>hello! If I want to resize my home partition should I worry about data loss in the other partitions? I mean, I am backing up all my data from the home partition, should I also backup the other partitions?
19:59<AleFranz>Supaplex: I used the config in /boot of working debian kernel, and only add some acpi settings that was compiled as module
20:00<p_quarles>lucas_amorim: always a good idea to back things up -- even if you're not about to perform surgery on the drive
20:00<Supaplex>strange, AleFranz.
20:00<AwesomeGuy>can you see if it works connecting to with ftp? Don't try to login, just tell me if it connects
20:00<gef>do you have support for the type of filesystem you're using on /dev/sdc3 built into the kernel?
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20:01<Supaplex>did you inadvertenly pull initrd support?
20:01<lucas_amorim>p_quarles: do you think that resizing one partition can cause data loss in the other partition?
20:02<AleFranz>Supaplex: i didn't change anything outside acpi section
20:02<Supaplex>lucas_amorim: normally it's not expected. if it does happen, you still get to keep the left overs.
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20:02<p_quarles>lucas_amorim: normal usage can cause data loss ;)
20:02*Supaplex waves to simonrvn_
20:03<simonrvn_>hi there
20:03<Supaplex>'not expected' == YMMV == Caveat Emptor
20:03<lucas_amorim>Supaplex: what do you mean by "left overs"? sorry i am not native english speaker
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20:04<Supaplex>lucas_amorim: all the boken pieces
20:04<lucas_amorim>Supaplex: resizing a partition can damage my hard disk?
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20:05<Supaplex>forget what I said about broken pieces.
20:06<Supaplex>if you lose data, it's your own fault, even if the software had flaws.
20:06<lupine_>as long as you do it right, it won't break
20:07<lucas_amorim>lupine_: I am thinking about using gparted using a live linux distro
20:07<lucas_amorim>live cd*
20:07*lupine_ tends to use fdisk when he's not using lvm :)
20:08<lucas_amorim>how do I resize using fdisk?
20:08<lucas_amorim>I could not figure out
20:09<lupine_>very, very carefully
20:09<lupine_>lvm is definitely the way forward. lvresize; resize2fs
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20:09<lupine_>you can even do the entire thing online if all you're doing is expanding one partition
20:10<Supaplex>I don't suggest using fdisk directly :P
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20:11<lupine_>gparted just seems to take so /long/
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20:11<Supaplex>lvm ftw :)
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20:11<lucas_amorim>supaplex: ?
20:12<lupine_>plus, if something breaks when doing it via fdisk, you /know/ it's your fault
20:12<lupine_>and you know exactly what you did wrong, and you can generally fix it
20:12<lucas_amorim>yes I know lol
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20:13<Supaplex>Linux Enterprise Volume Management (lvm) Version 2 For The Win
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20:13<dpkg>rumour has it, lvm is at, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or and
20:13<lupine_>extra sexy
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20:15<lucas_amorim>yes, but it would have to be in the live cd distro, I am afraid its not
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20:16<Engywuck>is lvm for private computers really needed?
20:17<lupine>needed? no. incredibly useful? yes
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20:20<Engywuck>mekes device names longer, another layer of complexity that can possibly fail added, and all that for systems that rarely change?
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20:23<lupine>saner device names than by-uuid; a layer of complexity that's well-tested, unlikely to fail and extremely low-overhead on simple setups; advantages like LVM snapshots
20:23<lupine>which is, you know, essentially apple's Time Machine, but better
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20:24<Engywuck>i don't know apples thingie
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20:24<lupine>press a button. you have an exact backup of your partition that takes up almost no space at all
20:24<Engywuck>and if i want a backup i want it on an external hdd, not in my house
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20:25<lupine>it's for rolling back unsavoury changes, not long-term data integritty
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20:25<Engywuck>ah well, there are enough backup solutions that do the same - without lvm
20:25<lupine>like svn for hard drives, perhaps
20:25<lupine>ones that take up ~0MB?
20:25<Engywuck>oh well, and how many people even *care* about stuff like that?
20:25<lupine>and aren't intrusive?
20:26<lupine>the ones that don't care aren't relevant to a debate about whether lvm should be default or not
20:26<lupine>because they don't care...
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20:26<Engywuck>with hard links on an external medium: they take virtually no additional space for each new generation
20:26<Engywuck>they care if all stuff they read online is just not true anymore
20:26<Engywuck>if step-by-step instructions won't work anymore
20:27<Engywuck>for neglible - if any - postive effects for them?
20:27<lupine>you get to replace huge amounts of online documentation and step-by-step with a small amount of online documentation and step-by-step guides
20:27<lupine>all of which are already written...
20:27<Engywuck>and if it's *really* the non plus utra: why isn't it promoted more effectively
20:27<lupine>positive effects are small to huge. negative effects are zero to small
20:27<Engywuck>by, say, making it default in debian installer?
20:28<lupine>I'd say it's inertia at the moment
20:28<Engywuck>positive effects most people need or even want vs. negative effects that may be small but affecting everyone?
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20:28<Engywuck>oh, and btw:
20:29<Engywuck>the dual-booting windows not being able anymore to access data on the ext2?
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20:30<Supaplex>Engywuck: there are ext drivers for windows
20:30<Engywuck>i know
20:30<Engywuck>but for ext partitions in an lvm?
20:30<Supaplex>then rephrase your ... yea, windows has no lvm support of any kind afaik
20:31<lupine>these normal users (dual-booting) users you're talking about will have their data on a non-LVM ntfs/fst32 partition
20:31<lupine>not the other way around
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20:31<lupine>but yeah, that's an issue and one that someone, somewhere, is hopefully working to resolve
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20:32<Supaplex>mkfs fixes windows. ;) hahaha
20:32<Engywuck>i said it effectively by the "anymore"
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20:33<Engywuck>lupine: looking at how long it took for someone to get a halfway decent ext2 *driver* for windows working I'd say not in this decade
20:33<lupine>that's the one decent argument against that you've come up with, and it doesn't affect most people
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20:34<lupine>am I right in thinking that the current default is to erase any windows partitions?
20:35<Engywuck>debian installer asks before it does so
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20:35<Engywuck>and no lvm in "guided mode"
20:36<lupine>hmm. maybe I should just submit a patch for d-i and see where it goes
20:38<Engywuck>down the drain? ;-)
20:38<lupine>if the only arguments against that can be mustered are yours, then I don't think so
20:39<madman>Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
20:39<madman>the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
20:39<madman>that package should be filed.
20:39<madman>looks like i broke something ?
20:39<themill_>!tell madman about bat
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20:41<Supaplex>lupine: destorying data by default CLEARLY violates debian guidelines. so NO.
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20:42<lupine>Supaplex: so destroying windows partitions isn't the current default?
20:42<lupine>it's been so long since I installed, I can't really remember#
20:43<Supaplex>destroying windows partitions isn't the current default.
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20:45<themill_>madman: opera is non-free software and we can't really help you with their packages which they have obviously stuffed up somewhere. libqt3c-mt is the correct package in etch -- you have a version of opera that was designed for sarge.
20:46<madman>this means i might have screwed my souces.list
20:46<themill_>madman: are you wanting to run sarge or etch?
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20:47<themill_>according to the opera website, the line should be: deb etch non-free
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20:47<madman>the thing is, can i find a place where there is up to date source.list
20:48<themill_>madman: what do you mean by "up to date sources.list"?
20:48<madman>well i used to install etch like a couple of months ago, looks like it's difficult to get the non-free repositories
20:50<themill_>madman: the etch installer will have provided you with working and correct repository lists in your sources.list. Anything additional that you add to that is not really debian and so there is no master up to date list somewhere that you can check. But feel free to pastebin your sources.list and we'll look over it if you want.
20:51<madman>non-free is not part of debian is that correct?
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20:52<themill_>madman: opera is not part of debian, correct.
20:52<leleobhz>someone know how can i add a patch to iptables on source package?
20:52<leleobhz>a.k.a. l7 on debian with right way
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20:55<themill_>madman: other than using "etch" instead of "stable in lines 9 to 14, that looks fine.
20:56<windowshasyou>anyone seen that goofball whitehat today?
20:56<madman>i am rusty
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21:16<madman>any tips on a IPW3945 wireless card
21:17<gsimmons_>!tell madman -about ipw3945
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21:18<davi>How is sid lastly?
21:19<davi>Good time to upgrade from stable?
21:19<davi>any blocker?
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21:20<bianconeri4ever>hello I got an ipod touch 32 gb jailbroken and 1.1.4...I am trying to connect it to my Ubuntu 7.10...when I ipod-touch-mount I get an error:connection reset by peer...any ideas guys?
21:21<nomadz>hello, when i installed debian and want to recompile a new kernel (need it for my 3ware controller), do i need to specificly set something to 64bit or does the compiler that for me?
21:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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21:45<gp5st>i have this pcimia (gah, the laptop pci slot) netgear wg511 (marvel chipset) and i don't know where to get the windows drivers (which should work with ndis) anyone have any ideas?
21:46<Engywuck>if there's no other way: get the offical drivers from manufacturer, install in windows abnd grab it after installing
21:46<gp5st>yeah, the hdd failed on this, so i can't get them from the disk
21:46<gp5st>whoops, i didn't mean the yeah as mean:)
21:47<gp5st>but i don't have the disk
21:47<Engywuck>can you install on anothzer machine?
21:47<Engywuck>some driver packages .exe are simply disguised .zip files with auto-installer
21:47<gp5st>can it be a desktop? or willthe install bitch and not install
21:47<Engywuck>perhaps it's possible to unpack with wine?
21:47<gp5st>i tried
21:47<gp5st>it didn't work
21:47<Engywuck>depends on the install program
21:48<gp5st>well, the one install ran
21:48<gp5st>then the second installer for the specific chipset faild
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21:48<gp5st>im gonna try dwnloading them on my roomies computer
21:48<gp5st>where are they put? windows/sys32/divers?
21:48<Engywuck>i once had to press reset button while i was installing a driver to be able to grab the unpacked files
21:48<Engywuck>not recommended, though
21:49<Engywuck>you could check in temp while installing
21:49<Engywuck>most driver packages unpack there before copying
21:49<gp5st>well, what does ndis need, the inf, the sys?
21:49<gp5st>and the sys*
21:49<Engywuck>sorry, never had the need to go ndis
21:49<gp5st>nor have i
21:49<Engywuck>someone else?
21:50<gp5st>this is my roomies laptop, he was gonna pitch it then i found that only the hdd is shot
21:50<gp5st>so, it's more than usbale and i can throw the drivers on a thumbdriver and boot forma cd until he/i get a new disk
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22:00<gp5st>so, eng
22:00<gp5st>i found the drivers from, a german compy who wrote them for their stuff
22:01<gp5st>and the have a ncie win98 pkg that loaded and seems tow ork
22:01<gp5st>im still setting it up
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22:04<bebin>is 2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel is good for intel quad-core processor
22:05<dondelelcaro>bebin: it'll work, yes.
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22:05<Engywuck>yep, is good
22:06<Engywuck>intel bought the amd64 technology
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22:08<DoS>I wonder how i could make a complete reinstall of my mysql-server, i did it with apt-get --purge remove mysql-server but it didn't remove everything (my.cnf and so on) so i deleted them myself and now when i try to install the mysql-server package again i just end up with errors saying it misses files like /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf
22:08<DoS>Does anyone know how i could solve this issue? I greatly appreciate the help!
22:08<DoS>bebin: what do you mean? :)
22:12<DoS>If you have an idea or just a tip on how i could solve it, it would make my day, really i need to get this going hehe :)
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22:13<abrotman>DoS: mysql-common
22:14<DoS>aha! does that install the configfiles and such? :)
22:14<DoS>ill try it out, cheers
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22:15<DoS>that didn't solve my problem im afraid, it says it cannot read "my.cnf"
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22:15<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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22:23<DoS>abrotman: i tried aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall mysql-server
22:23<DoS>it's not working
22:23<DoS>no my.cnf is back
22:23<abrotman>!find my.cnf etch
22:23<dpkg>Debian Search of 'my.cnf' (1): (/etc/mysql/my.cnf) in misc/mysql-common.
22:23<DoS>and it complains on /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf
22:24<abrotman>!find mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf etch
22:24<DoS>i mean.. my.cnf is not back
22:24<abrotman>i know
22:24<DoS>no files are back :/
22:24<DoS>yep yep okey :)
22:24<abrotman>my.cnf is in the mysql-common package
22:25<abrotman>paste the error somewhere
22:25<DoS>yep tried mysql-common again, still that error. ill upload it on a pastebin, give me 2sec
22:25<DoS>it's in swedish tho
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22:26<abrotman>my mother would be so happy if i could actually read that :)
22:26<DoS>well translated
22:26<DoS>it says
22:27<DoS> "/var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: The file or dir cannot be found."
22:27<abrotman>touch /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf
22:27<DoS>it needs some kind of password to be able to reconfigure?
22:28<abrotman>i have no idea .. i run away from mysql
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22:29<DoS>i tried "touch /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf" didn't work tho :p
22:29<abrotman>DoS: do the confmiss bit on mysql-server-5.0
22:29<DoS>how do you mean?
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22:29<abrotman>aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall mysql-server-5.0
22:29<DoS>yep tried that
22:29<DoS>same error >_<
22:30<abrotman>paste all the output somewhere ..
22:30<abrotman>LANG=C <command>
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22:32<DoS>nice command O.o
22:33<DoS>seems like a guy got the same problem like me in a mailing list over at
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22:35<abrotman>DoS: well .. that makes no sense to me
22:35<DoS>then we are two!
22:36<DoS>what does it do anyway?
22:36<DoS>first time you install you dont even have that file
22:36<dondelelcaro>DoS: touch /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf; and then continue on
22:36<DoS>if theres any way of tricking apt or whatever to make it think i never installed it before i think that might work
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22:37<abrotman>dondelelcaro: he says he tried
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22:38<DoS>ml310-1:~# LANG=C touch /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf
22:38<DoS>touch: cannot touch `/etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf': No such file or directory ml310-1:~#
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22:38<abrotman>DoS: mkdir -p /etc/mysql/conf.d/
22:38<dondelelcaro>DoS: so mkdir /etc/mysql/conf.d; then try reinstalling again.
22:39<DoS>yep i got pass that error by doing that but my.cnf is still gone and aint getting reconfigured :/
22:40<dondelelcaro>DoS: my.cnf is in mysql-common, not mysql-server-5.0
22:40<abrotman>he's tried both
22:40<dondelelcaro>(since it's a mysql-wide configuration file, not server specific)
22:40<dondelelcaro>clearly not
22:40<DoS>hehe it works if you do it all in the correct order it seems
22:40<abrotman>he tried it before that directory was there
22:41<DoS>ml310-1:/etc/mysql# LANG=C aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 mysql-common
22:41<dondelelcaro>it probably didn't even get to the conffile munging part, because mysql-server-5.0 failed to configure
22:41<DoS>odd, but that did the trick
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22:41<DoS>Thanks a lot both of you, really!
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22:50<DoS>im heading for bed now then hehe, bb
22:50<DoS>thanks once again!
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23:15<mamour>Anyone here set up a mail server and if so, what program do you use?
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23:19<Supaplex>!tell mamour -about search
23:19<mamour>WATCH IT
23:19<mamour>obviously I wouldn't be here if I hadn't already done some searching
23:19<Supaplex>it wasn't obvious until now
23:19<mamour>you are welcome to answer the question not torment me with belittling remarks
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23:22<abrotman>mamour: most people in here probably use exim or postfix
23:22<abrotman>mamour: and stop being mean
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23:22<mamour>he was the one being mean
23:22<Supaplex>I didn't belittle you
23:22<mamour>all I did was ask a question
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23:22<mamour>oh really ?
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23:23<Supaplex>it's a standard bot command
23:23<abrotman>mamour: that's our channel bot .. full of information ..
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23:23<mamour>would I be using IRC if I didn't know how to use apt-cache search ?????
23:23<mamour>no actually I wouldn't
23:23<mamour>i'm using ubuntu
23:23<mamour>and xchat doesn't
23:23<mamour>come preinstalled
23:23<abrotman>so you're offtopic here anyways ..
23:23<mamour>thnx no re
23:23<abrotman>!tell mamour about enter
23:24<mamour>k abrotman ur squelced
23:24<Supaplex>I'm sure abrotman's hurt. really now.
23:25<abrotman>as soon as i figure out what happened :)
23:26<mamour>I like drinking Dr. Pepper w/ milk in it
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23:27<abrotman>mamour: Do you have a Debian question?
23:27<Equ1n0x>Hi all
23:28<Supaplex>greetings Equ1n0x
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23:28<mamour>watch out Supaplex and abrotman are being real fags
23:28<Equ1n0x>thx ^^
23:28<mamour>godforbid you ask a question
23:28<SAN>Hi friends , i am taking the backup and i am storing it in harddisk, i want to know is there any best methodology for mirroring
23:28<mamour>I use dd
23:29<mamour>I have a good tutorial link for you
23:29<mamour>and if you know how to connect to a network share you can automatically upload it
23:29<mamour>I'm not sure what sets some imaging software apart from one another but dd works well
23:30<mamour>ah here we go
23:30<Supaplex>SAN: what's the backup of? a disk image, or a bunch of files?
23:30<mamour>a disk image
23:30<mamour>did you just want specific files ?
23:31<SAN><Supaplex> <mamour> : ya i want to take daily backup
23:32<mamour>oh you're talking to Supaplex
23:32<mamour>did he tell you to use the search feature instead of ask questions
23:32<mamour>if you want a daily backup, I suggest using at
23:32<mamour>are you familiar with at ?
23:32<user01>dd looks cool
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23:33<mamour>yeah I don't see any reason not to use dd
23:33<Supaplex>user01: I suggest rsync for files. it'll only copy the differences between file systems, and can seamlessly use ssh for remote backups
23:33<mamour>except it's not a nice gui
23:34<SAN><Supaplex> : yes , but i want to know which mirroring tech is flexible to backup ( ie, RAID, or any thing else)
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23:34<SAN><mamour> : yes , but i want to know which mirroring tech is flexible to backup ( ie, RAID, or any thing else)
23:34<Supaplex>raid is redundant, but it's not a backup. if an accident happens, only a real backup will save you.
23:35<user01>Supaplex, so it will compare the two files and append new info only?
23:35<Supaplex>raid is nice for hardware failures and less interrupted uptimes/service
23:36<mamour>that is incorrect
23:36<Supaplex>user01: rsync uses its own methods to determine that. usually it recopies the whole file, but there is a long list of features
23:36<mamour>RAID has different implementations
23:36<Supaplex>alright mamour, tell us all you know.
23:36<mamour>raid 0 is striping
23:36<Supaplex>and if you're still offended, my appologies.
23:37<mamour>it's goal is to increase performance
23:37<mamour>raid 1 is mirroring
23:37<mamour>that is a backup
23:37<SAN>yes the RAID 0 ,1 up to RAID 5 is available , but i want know which is better for incremental backup
23:37<mamour>well it's not "up to 5", really
23:37<Supaplex>a mirror isn't a backup. if you delete a file on raid, it's gone
23:37<user01>i need to build a new home file server when i have money again, was thinking of raid but people have suggested just backing it up on usb hard drives
23:37<mamour>raid 1 MIRRORS the drives
23:37<mamour>whatever happens on one drive happens on the other
23:38<Supaplex>you just contradicted yourself
23:38<mamour>um no not really
23:38<Supaplex>if you delete it, it's deleted off both drives
23:38<mamour>wait, I see what you are saying
23:38<mamour>yes it is deleted off both drives however raid 1 is creating an identical drive
23:38<mamour>so if one drive fails, you have a backup of the other
23:39<mamour>I agree with you that it doesn't provide recovery from file deletion
23:39<Supaplex>that's right. it's only good for redundancy
23:39<mamour>however that's what the backup is for
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23:39<mamour>anyway, SAN said up to raid 5 - there's actually RAID 6
23:40<mamour>and each implementation of RAID can be used with each other
23:40<mamour>for example RAID 1 and RAID 5 can be combined to form RAID 15
23:40<SAN>i am new to this field and i know some what on RAID ie) RAID1 is stripping , RAID 1 is mirroring,RAID 4 has three disks with priority, and RAID 5 is stripping with RAID 4
23:40<mamour>which is simply striping, parity, and mirroring
23:40<mamour>depending on which vendor is defining RAID
23:40<Supaplex>if you're up for raid 15, you may as well do raid 10.
23:41<mamour>that's not how it works
23:41<Supaplex>the load average on my mail server would disagree
23:41<Supaplex>but okay
23:41<mamour>raid 10 is the same as raid 1 and raid 0 which is mirroring with striping
23:41<mamour>but that requires 4 drives
23:41<Supaplex>at a minimum
23:41<Supaplex>you can stripe many drives
23:41<mamour>in pairs
23:42<mamour>well no - sorry
23:42<mamour>2 or more
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23:43<mamour>so SAN
23:43<Supaplex>yup. no need to waste a drive to fan out the parity, because you'll have a duplicate on some other drive. (and hopefully hot spares)
23:43<mamour>dd to make the backup, rsync to backup files/directories
23:43<Supaplex>but this might be overkill for SAN. :)
23:44<mamour>there are three types of backups if you're not familiar - full, partial, and differential
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23:44<mamour>are you familiar with these ?
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23:44<SAN>yes , now i came to know RAID has so many types , but i want to store incremental bakup
23:44<mamour>well whatever raid you have, set your rsync to incremental backups using at
23:45<SAN>ok , shall i go for RAID 4
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23:46<mamour>the RAID is really not what you're looking for in terms of backup
23:46<mamour>that's not really the issue here
23:46<mamour>you need to decide how you want to backup what's on the drives
23:47<mamour>whatever RAID implementation you want is up to you - the backup software will function the same
23:47<SAN>ok , now i understood , it depends up on the sheduler
23:48<mamour>well yes sort of
23:48<mamour>the scheduler will determine when you want the backups
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23:48<SAN>ok thank u mamour , thank u a lot
23:48<mamour>you tell the scheduler what program to use for the backup
23:48<mamour>hey np
23:49<mamour>are you familiar with 'at' ?
23:49<SAN>yes somewhat , but i know cron very well
23:50<mamour>k cool because I don't know how to use either of them
23:50<mamour>I just know of them
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23:50<SAN>ok thank u
23:50<SAN>thank u <Supaplex>
23:50<shivraj>how can I resize my ext3 filesystem ?
23:50<mamour>what are you thanking him for
23:50<mamour>he didn't do anything
23:51<SAN>thank u very much <mamour>
23:51<shivraj>I shoulda just made / ... sucks ..........
23:51<Supaplex>shivraj: resize2fs
23:51<mamour>or actually there's a program that's just called "partition"
23:51<mamour>but it's all command line and I don't know how to use it
23:52<mamour>is there a good forum to discuss NHL
23:52<chealer>shivraj: increase or decrease size?
23:52<shivraj>chealer : increase /home and use space from /
23:53<chealer>of course. is the disk completely partitioned?
23:53<shivraj>chealer : yes
23:53<mamour>shivraj this doesn't have anything to do with a message you're getting when you log on does it
23:54<mamour>about how your home directory is too big
23:54<chealer>shivraj: could you provide your partition table?
23:54<shivraj>mamour : noo
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23:54<mamour>k just checking
23:54<user01>is there an equivalent to notepad++?
23:54*Supaplex <3's lvm
23:55<shivraj>--> 23% free /home 66% free
23:55<shivraj>80 gig hd
23:55<mamour>user01 I assume you have already explored vi or nano ?
23:56<shivraj>thats what the output from df shows
23:56<user01>mamour, those are great editors for commmand line ... didnt know for windows?
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23:57<user01>mamour, x-window
23:57<user01>mamour, gedit isnt very good
23:57<mamour>why don't you like gedit
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23:58<mamour>I asked you a question
23:58<Guest1952>is there a way to make it so that file browser opens the contents of a folder i open instead of just the regular window
23:59<mamour>can you clarify
23:59<p_quarles>Guest1952: run the command with the path to folder you want to open
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