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00:00<Guest1952>sure. you know when you go to applications and then system tools and then file browser?
00:00<p_quarles>e.g., nautilus /home/username/downloads (etc)
00:00<user01>mamour, i like that gedit is lightweight, but i like the sytax menus for notepad ++
00:01<mamour>user01 I'mnot familiar with notepad++ - I'll check it out
00:01<user01>mamour, macro recording
00:01<Guest1952>when i click on a folder on my desltiop i want the file browser to open not just the simple browser
00:01<mamour>user01 that's a good point - I hadn't thought of macro recording
00:01<mamour>user01 are you familiar with tables of linux equivalent software ?
00:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 318] by debhelper
00:01<p_quarles>Guest1952: then you need to make a custom launcher -- using a command like the one I gave you
00:01<shivraj>Supaplex : whats the package for resizee2fs ?
00:02<user01>mamour, nope
00:02<Guest1952>is there a way to do that by just clicking on the folder
00:02<mamour>user01 have you also used add/remove software and typed in the search box "text editor" or something
00:03<shivraj>screw it ... once I remove that other 3 gig file I'll have enough space
00:03<mamour>user01, does that sound like good advice ?
00:03<shivraj>hooo hoo more like 8 gig :)
00:03<user01>mamour, i dont do flow charts but i heard that dia isnt a very good replacement for visio from what ive been told ... saw that on a table
00:03<mamour>user01, I use dia for my database class
00:03<shivraj>migration for slow windows computer ... windows sucks .. my sisters computer
00:04<mamour>user01, i love it - it has pretty much the exact same plugins that visio does
00:04<Supaplex>shivraj: not sure, but if you install apt-file, you can apt-file update, and apt-file search bin/resize2fs
00:04<mamour>user01, and you can export your diagrams to picture format for insertion in documents
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00:05<user01>mamour, at our lug there are these guys that do flow charts all the time who love linux for everything except they dont think dia can compare to visio yet
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00:05<mamour>user01, I'm sorry to hear that - you've probably got better information than me
00:06<mamour>user01, I don't belong to a LUG and I wish I had one :(
00:06<user01>mamour, :(
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00:06<shivraj>Supaplex : thanks, I just went for 95% full to 50% full ... thanks ... 80 gig is way too small though ......
00:06<chealer_>shivraj: I was disconnected. did you get your partition table?
00:06<Guest1952>i dont' think i explained my question right
00:06<RIVE>Hello. good evenning.
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00:07<mamour>RIVE, hello
00:07<shivraj>chealer_ uhh yeah, but I am not gonna bother just freeed up some space
00:07<chealer_>shivraj: OK
00:08<Guest1952>why is it that when i open a folder on my desktop it doesn't look the same as when i go to applicaiotns->system tools->file browser
00:09<RIVE>Hi mamour.
00:09<shivraj>why the heck am I making copies of 8 gig dirs !! sucks ... found another 8 gig
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00:11<chealer>Guest1952: which desktop environment do you use?
00:11<Guest1952>gnome
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00:13<user01>haha did you see the thing on Oklahoma city threatens to call FBI over 'renegade' Linux maker?
00:13<user01>was for centos actually
00:15<RIVE>user01, link please.
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00:15<user01>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/tuttle_centos/
00:15<user01>http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127 thats the email exchange
00:16<user01>lol
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00:18<suiside>that's ancient news, and offtopic here anyway
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00:22<user01>ancient news? it is more current than the previous stable version :)
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00:24<user01>mamour, why arent there any LUGs in your area?
00:24<user01>mamour, can you start one?
00:24<mamour>user01, I don't know
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00:25<mamour>user01, I do live in Morrisville, NY where I attend college, and there's very little out here except the college
00:25<Guest1952>chealer: what do you think
00:26<chealer>Guest1952: sorry, I don't know GNOME
00:26<user01>mamour, you could start a campus LUG our local onse are pretty disorganized
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00:26<Guest1952>can someone help me with gnome
00:26<mamour>user01, I don't know about right now - I just got in trouble for setting up a lab computer to relay torrents
00:27<mamour>user01, my professor went up and pulled out my hard drive, then sent me an email stating it was set up to download illegal content
00:27<mamour>user01, so after I find out if I'm going to jail or not I'll look into starting a LUG
00:28<RIVE>Hack the school computers is not a good idea.
00:29<user01>mamour, you could start a LUG in jaill too bad spitzer is out
00:30<user01>mamour, you can still write the new gov for funds
00:30<mamour>user01, that's true, we'll see
00:30<mamour>user01, it's difficult for me to think right now
00:31<mamour>user01, I'm in IRC hoping to talk about something to get my mind off it :)
00:31<mamour>user01, looking for an NHL chat but can't find anything
00:31<user01>mamour, i would think it would be ok as long as the riaa isnt involved
00:32<mamour>user01, I really wouldn't worry about it even if the RIAA was involved b/c then it would just be a civil matter and a fine
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00:32<mamour>user01, however, I was in trouble before - I took a motherboard out of a lab computer and took it back to my dorm room
00:32<mamour>user01, I also lied about it :(
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00:33<mamour>user01, the dean said I'm on "deferred dismissal" which means he didn't do anything to me but if anything else happened he'd dismiss me
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00:33<mamour>user01, I have this desktop that I decided to upgrade the BIOS - worst decision of my life
00:33<user01>mamour, well for the cost of a college education you should haev the right to take many motherboards to your dorm
00:33<mamour>user01, that's a very supportive remark :)
00:34<mamour>user01, it's not like it was a $500 item anyway - lab computer is like $50 bought in bulk
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00:34<mamour>user01, I have an Abit AV8 motherboard - athlon 4000+ fx processor, 4 gb corsair memory, ati x850 video card
00:35<mamour>user01, all useless because I upgraded the bios and it's never worked right
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00:35<mamour>user01, then I downgraded the BIOS to a version from 2004 and now it just won't even boot
00:35<mamour>user01, so I'm stuck with a thinkpad t60 laptop
00:35<user01>mamour, i ahve the same mobo
00:35<mamour>user01, what version bios are you using ?
00:36<user01>mamour, i have had it for like 3 years i havent check for in upgrade in a year and i half
00:36<mamour>user01, I was the same way - it was working fine but I happened to be browsing their site
00:37<mamour>user01, and I saw the latest bios - so I just decided to update it
00:37<mamour>user01, one thing was that I had a 3 gbps data transfer rate SATA drive from seagate
00:37<mamour>user01, and the BIOS update said it included support for anything beyond 1.5 gbps
00:37<mamour>user01, because it wasn't working
00:38<mamour>user01, well, after I flashed the bios, it was gg
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00:38<mamour>user01, computer was SLOW, even after I ordered a new BIOS chip and put it in - still slow
00:38<mamour>user01, it was a sweet system till I upgraded the BIOS and then it was never the same
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00:39<user01>mamour, so i should avoid the newer bios update if i see one?
00:39<mamour>yes !!
00:39<mamour>maybe it will work for you
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00:40<user01>mamour, i think mine is still 1.5 gbps
00:40<mamour>user01, yeah I tried connecting a 3 gbps drive and it didn't work
00:41<mamour>user01, in linux or windoze - neither detected the HD
00:41<user01>mamour, i did one update at some point, not sure if it was the one ou did
00:42<mamour>user01, there's a workaround where you can jumper a few pins and it will downgrade the speed of the sata drive to 1.5 gbps
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00:42<mamour>user01, and the mobo is fine w/ that
00:42<mamour>user01, any chance you have an extra bios chip you can send me :)
00:42<user01>1.5 gbps has been ok for me
00:42<mamour>user01, I don't have $25 for a new one
00:42<user01>i think my mobo only came with one
00:43<mamour>ya I figured so
00:43<mamour>just had to ask :)
00:43<mamour>it's out of warranty by now
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00:43<user01>i would if it came with 2 :)
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00:44<mamour>I've had a few emails w/ the idiots at Abit - they said the serial number says its out of warranty but if I prove it was PURCHASED within 3 years they'll fix it
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00:44<mamour>so I'm trying to find a copy of the receipt
00:44<mamour>the thing is that I think I bought it from monarch computer which is now out of business
00:44<user01>mamour, didnt buy it online?
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00:45<user01>mamour, i bought mine from them too
00:45<mamour>user01, yeah I btought it online lol
00:45<mamour>user01, I bought it like the summer or fall of 2005 I believe
00:45<user01>mamour, thats when i bought mine too M0
00:45<mamour>lol
00:46<mamour>it was top of the line back then eh
00:46<mamour>do you recall about how much you paid for it
00:46<user01>mamour, yep i didnt get as nice of achip
00:46<user01>processor
00:46<mamour>yeah
00:46<mamour>I knew what you meant :)
00:46<user01>i still haev my sales receipt
00:46<mamour>oh really ?
00:47<user01>you dont have your email addresds that you used then?
00:47<mamour>yeah I do
00:47<mamour>but they're out of business
00:47<mamour>I'm not 100% sure it was monarch computer
00:47<mamour>I just got a copy of my bank statement from that time
00:47<user01>if you keep your email that long you should have a receipt from them
00:47<mamour>in fact let me look now and see if I can find it
00:47<mamour>oh I don't have the email
00:47<mamour>just the address that was used
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00:49<user01>i got mine in march 2005
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00:49<user01>i was suprised when monarch went bankrupt
00:49<mamour>bah that's outside of the 3 year period :(
00:49<mamour>otherwise I'd ask for your receipt :)
00:49<mamour>let me see if I can find it
00:49<mamour>how much was yours ?
00:50<user01>110459 ABIT AV8-3rd Eye VIA K8T800 939 pin 1 $132.00
00:50<shivraj>my SAT score was 1350 ...
00:50<mamour>wow $132
00:51<mamour>I thought I paid a lot more for mine
00:51<mamour>I went on to pricewatch.com and looked for something top of the line
00:51<mamour>in face
00:51<mamour>in fact
00:51<user01>mamour, i got the AMD Athlon 64 3000 939 Pin 90nm Boxed ADA3000BIBOX
00:51<mamour>there's a AV8 on pricewatch NOW that's $250
00:52<mamour>if you got to pricewatch and search for "av8" there's one there for $250 how messed up is that
00:52<user01>really? hmmm
00:52<user01>well it is old hardware now
00:52<user01>it is classic
00:53<user01>maybe they were trying to get rid of them because they were going bankrupt
00:53<mamour>yeah prolly
00:53<user01>i have the 3rd eye version zith the external monitor thing
00:54<mamour>tough to tell from my bank statement b/c it doesn't say specifically what was purchased
00:54<mamour>but I can request copies of the receipt
00:54<user01>mamour, you can forge a copy with my html version
00:55<user01>just change the dates, monarch is closed so they will never know
00:55<user01>:)
00:55<mamour>lol
00:55<mamour>I suppose I could but
00:55<mamour>godforbid if I get caught
00:56<user01>monarch is bankrupt there is no one for amd to call to verify
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00:56<mamour>abit
00:56<mamour>not amd
00:56<user01>sorry yeah abit
00:57<mamour>hmm - here's a purchase from "infinity systems plus" for $325 on 6/2/5
00:57<mamour>that could be it
00:57<mamour>damn so difficult to tell
00:57<mamour>it's not going to cost me anything to get a copy of the receipt
00:57<mamour>oh actually I can ask them
00:58<user01>who?
00:58<mamour>I'm watching TruTV - Most Shocking Videos
00:58<mamour>Infinity Systems Plus
00:58<mamour>they have a site
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00:58<user01>hmm
00:58<mamour>I'll get tot he bottom of this
00:59<user01>before 6/2 hoepfully
01:00<mamour>yes!
01:00<mamour>emailing now
01:01<mamour>anyone will reply sooner than my bank
01:01<mamour>takes like 10 business days to get a copy of anything
01:01<mamour>ridiculous
01:01<shivraj>online stores
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01:03<mamour>shivraj
01:03<user01>are there any ways to get around a websense filter?
01:03<mamour>what's that about online stores ?
01:03<shivraj>nada
01:03<shivraj>nothing
01:03<mamour>user01, I just did a lab on proxy filters
01:04<mamour>if websense is a proxy filter, and you have no choice but to use it, I think you'll have to bear with it
01:05<mamour>I think you can try entering the IP address of the site, instead of the domain name
01:05<user01>mamour, yeah i tried a text based browser off my flash disk and it was blocked too
01:05<user01>user01, it just seems weird that if ping like www.yahoo.com at the comand line it all goes through
01:07<mamour>user01, here's another purchase - microtech computers for $481
01:07<user01>mamour, i was getting around it putting ip addresses in instead for a few sites
01:07<mamour>could be that one
01:07<mamour>and now microtech is merged with PCDirect
01:08<Guest1952>__> i want : http://www.flickr.com/photos/21166408@N04/2347177100/ to replace http://www.flickr.com/photos/21166408@N04/2347178230/
01:08<Guest1952>help with gnome??????
01:08<mamour>what does gnome have to do with it
01:08<user01>mamour, why is it that i can ping websites like yahoo but yet websense blocks them? doesnt make sense
01:08<Guest1952>everything
01:09<alaya>hey there, am doing a new install with lenny and trying to set up encryption
01:09<mamour>pings operate on a different port
01:09<mamour>ping traffic may not be blocked by the proxy
01:09<user01>mamour, oh
01:09<mamour>just like nslookups
01:09<alaya>it seems the only option via the installer is "guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted lvm"
01:09<mamour>or "dig"
01:09<mamour>have you used dig before ?
01:09<user01>nope
01:09<mamour>Domain Internet Groper
01:10<mamour>you may very well be able to do additional things like remote desktop or even IRC uses a different port than http which is 80
01:10<mamour>I guess you're behind the websense filter now ?
01:10<user01>nope im at home
01:11<user01>mamour, what if i scanned for open ports . . .
01:12<user01>and used and changed my home ssh port to eb an open one on that computer
01:12<user01>and then just sshd into that and used the internet?
01:13<mamour>sec
01:13<user01>i think 22 was blocked
01:13<user01>but there were otehrs that were open
01:14<mamour>well you can SSH but you'll get limited browsing
01:14<mamour>because ssh is all text-based
01:14<mamour>you may want to remote into the computer
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01:14<mamour>here I can give you a computer to remote into
01:14<mamour>and you can browse as you wish
01:14<mamour>I don't have anything personal on it and it's a lab computer
01:14<mamour>do you have tsclient ?
01:16<user01>let me check
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01:18<user01>yep
01:18<user01>but
01:18<user01>i would need a tsclient that i could put on a flashdisk and run in windows
01:19<user01>for the other computer
01:20<angry>you can just rd into this computer
01:20<angry>oh sorry
01:20<angry>sec
01:20<mamour>hey
01:20<mamour>you can rd into my fedora box
01:20<mamour>and browse as you wish
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01:21<mamour>user01 how I send you a pm
01:21<mamour>is it /msg
01:21<mamour>or /message
01:21<user01>mamour think it is /msg
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01:28<alaya>installing on box with 3GB RAM. guided part recommends 4GB swap. this seems excessive. no?
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01:28<alaya>its a laptop, not sure if swap is needed for hibernation...
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01:30<chealer>alaya: how large are other partitions?
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01:30<alaya>chealer: 95GB /
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01:31<alaya>not sure if i should do that, or make 8GB / and use the rest for encrypted home
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01:32<chealer>alaya: then it's not more excessive than your RAM size
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01:33<alaya>for setting up encrypted /home, is it easiest to just install regular then set up home encryption later?
01:34<rrm>hi room... to install madwifi what do i need to get with apt-get
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01:36<prem>hi
01:36<rrm>hi prem
01:36<lencho>hi all
01:36<prem> am trying to install etch in my HP compaq tc4200 .... but when I put the CD in..its not booting itself..and throwing an error "PCI cannot allocate resource for region 7, 8, 0"
01:36<lencho>woops
01:36<prem>rrm, any guess..?is my BIOS old
01:37<rrm>try install acpi=off
01:37<rrm>i had some issues like that with an old ibm laptop
01:37<prem>rrm, yeah..I tried..but then its throwing cannot mount CD-ROM
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01:38<rrm>it can not mount it at all
01:39<prem>rrm, I mean ..it cannot detect my CD itself..and throwing "NO Common CD-ROM drive was detected"
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01:39<rrm>weird
01:39<rrm>maybe it just do not have the driver
01:39<rrm>for it
01:39<rrm>or firmware of the cd rom is odd
01:40<rrm>did u try lets say a winxp bootup cd?
01:40<rrm>did that work
01:40<rrm>?
01:40<prem>rrm, no I didnt try that
01:40<prem>rrm, I can boot up a Ubuntu live CD
01:41<rrm>ok
01:41<rrm>cool
01:41<prem>rrm, but i want to install Debian etch..
01:41<rrm>what debian version do u try to use? stable or testing
01:41<prem>rrm, so..the install CD of debian only is not booting..
01:41<prem>rrm, its stable..
01:41<rrm>ok
01:42<rrm>can u at least get to the boot only screen that shows u the debian logo?
01:42<prem>rrm,yeah..that is comming..I tried install acpi=off
01:47<rrm>anyone know about what i need to apt-get to install madwifi?
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01:48<dli__>!madwifi
01:48<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
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02:35<mamour>anyone here
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02:42<mamour>HEY
02:42<mamour>ETA
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02:49<dondelelcaro>mamour: ?
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02:50<mamour>what
02:50<mamour>what do you want
02:50<mamour>only my gf calls me mamour so WATCH IT
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02:52<jm_>does she ever call you dickhead?
02:52<mamour>no
02:52<jm_>well she should
02:52<mamour>she calls me jerk though
02:52<mamour>and blames me for everything
02:52<jm_>ok that's good enough
02:54<mamour>jm_
02:54<mamour>question
02:55<dondelelcaro>folks, if you don't have something Debian related to talk about, kindly utilize /msg or a different channel
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02:55<mamour>dondelelcaro
02:55<mamour>question
02:56<mamour>dondelelcaro, question for you
02:56<RIVE>What's the channel for Debian offtopic?
02:56<mamour>RIVE
02:56<mamour>question for you
02:57<dondelelcaro>RIVE: #debian-offtopic
02:57<mamour>dondelelcaro, question for you
02:57<RIVE>Thanks dondelelcaro.
02:57-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
02:57-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@136.204.232.31] by dondelelcaro
02:57-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
02:58<dondelelcaro>(I don't know if anyone is in that channel on this network, but that's the channel to be off topic in)
02:58<RIVE>Ok, dondelelcaro.
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03:49<piratex>alguem aeh /
03:49<piratex>?
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03:50<piratex>toh com um problema pra instalar o java na minha máquina .. alguém pode me ajudar ?
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03:50<piratex>quando tento abrir meu eclipse ou instalar o netbeans ... tá me retornando uma exceção
03:51<piratex>alguém tem idéia do que pod ser ?
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03:52<wferi>Hi! What's the policy regarding daemons which create and remove their own PID files and also drop privileges? They can't remove their PID files on exit. See bug #411046.
03:53<wferi>nagios-nrpe-server has to create it's PID file before dropping root privs, because /var/run is 0755 root:root, so it traps itself.
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03:54<wferi>The init script could clean up after it, but the error message is already in the log by then.
03:54<wferi>Or the init script could take over the responsibility of creating and deleting the PID file, which seems wasteful...
03:55<dondelelcaro>wferi: it should create a subdirectory of /var/run which is owned by its user, start, drop privs, write the pid, then go on.
03:55<dondelelcaro>wferi: but it *also* shouldn't matter if the pidfile is there and the daemon has stopped
03:55<wferi>That sounds pretty sane.
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03:55<wferi>Yep, it doesn't cause much of a problem, just an error in the logs. Things work all right nevertheless.
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03:56<wferi>Thanks for the tip, I'm including it in the bug report.
03:56<dondelelcaro>another method is to just have it write it and have the initscript delete it after stop returns success.
03:56<dondelelcaro>either way is fine
03:56<wferi>Sure, I just wondered what the usual policy was.
03:57<wferi>Actally, if I create the non-root subdir from the init script, I can go by modifying the config only.
03:58<wferi>Deleting the PID file works even if it's created there before dropping privs (which is probably a bug OTOH).
03:58<taeschd>el caro esta aqua
03:59<dondelelcaro>(that's specific to relatively large directories)
03:59<wferi>what's specific to relatively large directories?
03:59<dondelelcaro>ECHAN
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04:00<wferi>you aren't addressing me, I guess...
04:00<piratex>ohhh shit!! i'm from brazil ... need assistence ... but no speak english good
04:01<piratex>jvm problem
04:01<jm_>!br
04:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
04:01<piratex>return exeption ... but i don't have an idea because return this
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04:01<piratex>dpkg, thanks
04:01<dpkg>de rien, piratex
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04:34<imperia>i am trying to configure some debian router. i have some success but if I start shorewall I got spammed by some log messages on my console... if I enable masquerading manually with iptables - everything is fine. how do i prevent all this spam?
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04:36<jm_>!printk console
04:36<dpkg>from memory, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources.
04:38<morgan`>hello
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05:16<njende>Hi Folks! Has anyone of you experiences using packages from dotdeb?
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05:18<njende>My Problem is basically that I'm running a vServer with a php version which needs to be upgraded. Unfortunately the required pckages are available at dotdeb's etch repo only and the vserver is running on sarge.
05:18<njende>will I get - if I use dotdeb's etch repo - problems? or sgould it simply work?
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05:20<njende>hello...?
05:21<njende>so noone has some kind of experience using dotdeb's packages?
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05:29<stevex>witam zainstalowalem VLC i nie mam obrazu w filmie .avi It is potentially dangerous, and might not even work properly.
05:29<stevex>[00000308] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `CSCD'.
05:29<stevex>VLC probably does not support this sound or video format.
05:29<stevex>[00000285] main playlist: stopping playback ?? cos trzeba doinstalowac ?
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05:30<stevex>witam zainstalowalem VLC i nie mam obrazu w filmie .avi [00000308] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `CSCD'.
05:30<stevex>VLC probably does not support this sound or video format.
05:30<stevex> taki blad mi wypluwa co trzeba zrobic ?
05:34<jm_>!pl
05:34<dpkg>from memory, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
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05:35<knoppix_>hello
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05:40<hachi>anyone know where scalable icons are supposed to be for installed apps?
05:41<hachi>I used to use /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/pidgin.svg for pidgin
05:41<hachi>but I can't find it anymore
05:41<hachi>it got removed in some debian version like 3 months ago
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05:45<njende>Hi Folks! Has anyone of you experiences using packages from dotdeb?
05:45<njende>will I get - if I use dotdeb's etch repo - problems? or should it simply work?
05:45<njende>My Problem is basically that I'm running a vServer with a php version which needs to be upgraded. Unfortunately the required pckages are available at dotdeb's etch repo only and the vserver is running on sarge.
05:46<padski>njende, when is end of support on sarge ?
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05:47<blarson>!sarge
05:47<dpkg>from memory, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/i386/iso-cd/ Security support for Sarge finishes on March 31 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). Ask me about <sarge->etch>.
05:47<padski>blarson, thanks.
05:48<hachi>what other formats of scalable icons would there be?
05:48<hachi>I'm looking for svg and xpm, neither is coming up with much
05:49<padski>hachi, icon for what ?
05:49<hachi>pidgin
05:49<hachi>it was there a few months ago
05:49<hachi>now it's missing
05:50<hachi>restarted X and now it's gone... find on the filesyste, gone, apt-file shows it gone
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06:04<padski>files list file for package `proll' is missing final newline
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06:18<reala>oops disconnected myself there
06:18<padski>I am starting a ppp connection from interfaces. but if it won;t connect the boot stallls waiting for it
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06:18<padski>is there an optin to say not to wait fot it ?
06:19<jm_>it doesn't stall for me
06:20<padski>ah! I have updetach
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06:21<padski>think I blindly copied that from somewhere :-)
06:22<jm_>updetach? isn't it -detach?
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06:22<padski>"With this option, pppd will detach from its controlling terminal once it has successfully established the ppp connection"
06:22<padski>padski, no something I chose, just something that snuck in.
06:23<padski>thanks, jm_. It is amazing how even a little direction can narrow things down so fast.
06:24<jm_>padski: I thought it defaults to doing that
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06:29<padski>jm_, well I have persist maxfail 0, but I think I want that
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06:30<jm_>padski: yeah I have persist too
06:31<padski>jm_, it was that option that was doing it.
06:32<jm_>padski: detach or persist?
06:32<padski>jm_, sorry, updetach
06:32<jm_>padski: yup
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06:33<padski>I have an ext3 filesystem going bang this morning. I am not quite sure how I'm doing in.
06:34<padski>doing it.
06:34<padski>I fscked it clean earlier on, but now it is really trashed.
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06:35<padski>what did spar74n do ?
06:37<padski>this filesystem. I was booting it as a xen domU and then rebooting into it natively where I ran kqemu which crashed with a bus error. I'm fairly certain the hardware is fine.
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06:42<padski>here is fsck http://rafb.net/p/dRG8yV86.html
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06:42<Woet`>What is the best IRC Bouncer for Debian, most important no bugs and stability?
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06:47<padski>Woet, I dont know, but debtags will help you to identify the relevant packages and popcon helps give some clue as to popularity (which, with clueful users, is a reasonable proxy for 'good')
06:47<Woet>And how to find that information?
06:47<padski>!installit
06:47<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
06:48<padski>!popcon
06:48<Woet>err
06:48<dpkg>popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
06:48<Woet>ty.
06:48<padski>!debtags
06:48<dpkg>hmm... debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags
06:48<Woet>Nice that my browser crashes with such a huge list on popcon.
06:49<padski>Woet, what browser ?
06:49<Woet>Firefox
06:49<Woet>its still loading
06:49-!-m4steR [~m4steR@89-97-102-212.ip17.fastwebnet.it] has quit []
06:49<Woet>140mb ram, 50 cpu
06:49<Woet>couldnt they just have made a search function?
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06:50<padski>Woet, see debtags
06:50<tami>bonjour
06:50<Woet>!fr
06:50<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
06:51<tami>bonjour
06:51<padski>!tell tami about fr
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06:51<Woet>Bye.
06:51<Woet>An also debtags crashes my browser, really nice webdevelopers made those sites.
06:52<padski>Woet, yes I have trouble with the web thingy, but there is a package you can download which enables you to do stuff on the console, which is much more flexible anyway.
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06:52<Woet>i think im going for ZNC
06:53<klando>hey, the msg about !fr is wrong !!
06:53<padski>what is an irc bouncer anyways ?
06:53<jm_>bounces traffic fomr your irc client to the server
06:53<klando> debian-fr on irc.freenode.net will NOT help anybody
06:53<jm_>"proxy"
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06:53<padski>klando, and not just because they are french? ;-)
06:53<spar74n_>hi
06:54<klando>people on this chan just psuh everybody out with insult
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06:54<spar74n_>does anybody know why fglrx wont load under custom kernel?
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06:54<klando>padski, I prefer not trying to understand with you said, it has nothing to do here
06:54<spar74n_>i know its a silly question...
06:55<padski>klando, if the factoid is wrong ask the ops or someone to correct it
06:55<klando>who is ops ?
06:55<klando>weasel not a bot ?
06:56<jm_>nope, weasel not a bot
06:56<padski>spar74n_, it is when it starts like that
06:56<klando>nice :-), weasel please can you remove the freenode reference on !fr
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06:57<Woet>configure: error: Could not find libcrypto. Try --disable-openssl
06:57<Woet>what to do?
06:57<jm_>install libcrypto or do as it says
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06:57<Woet>E: Couldn't find package libcrypto
06:57<spar74n_>padski i removed all other drivers under graphics section except ati
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06:57<jm_>libcrypto is a filename, not a package name
06:58<Woet>so, how do i install it?
06:58<weasel>klando: no.
06:58<jm_>by finding which package includes it
06:58<klando>ahem, who is op ?
06:58<Woet>and which package includes it?
06:58<klando>weasel, canwe pm just 2minutes ?
06:58<jm_>!tell Woet -about search
06:58<sound_heart>could anyone please recommand a lighte-weighted picture viewer for xfce?
06:58<Woet>you could just tell me.
06:58<jm_>I could
06:58<weasel>klando: what do you want anyway?
06:58-!-radq [~radq@adac83.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
06:58<klando>le canal officiel francophone de support pour GNU/Debian est #debian-fr sur OFTC (irc.oftc.net). ce n'est pas ici. FOUTEZ LE CAMP
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06:58<jm_>and the next time you'll need it, and the next time, ...
06:59<klando>weasel, translate this msg, it is the topic in freenode for debian-fr
06:59<weasel>klando: talk to whoever owns or cares about #debian-fr on freenode?
06:59<klando>??
06:59<Woet>Setting up libcrypto++5.2c2a (5.2.1c2a-3) ...
06:59<Woet>configure: error: Could not find libcrypto. Try --disable-openssl
06:59<klando>weasel, officla is not in freenode, that's all.
07:00<weasel>klando: so what is it that you want me to do?
07:00<jm_>you want openssl devel package
07:00<weasel>and don't assume I speak a word of french.
07:00<Woet>and how is it called?
07:00<weasel>I don't.
07:00<klando>weasel, please remove the reference to freenode
07:00<weasel>which reference?
07:00<klando>!fr
07:00<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
07:00<jm_>apt-cache search openssl, I don't know off top of my head
07:00<weasel>klando: do it yourself
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07:00<klando>how can I do ? I am not aware of bot syntax
07:00<weasel>msg dpkg help
07:01<klando>ok, tks
07:01<weasel>you probably want something along the lines of fr is <reply> Pour ...
07:01<sound_heart>could anyone please recommand a lighte-weighted picture viewer for xfce?
07:01<klando>ok
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07:02<Woet>jm_: i cant find it.
07:02<jm_>Woet: what did you type?
07:02<Woet>serverffs:/home/znc-0.052# apt-cache search openssl-dev
07:02<jm_>just openssl
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07:02<Woet>did that
07:02<Woet>way too many results
07:02<philipp>does a cp parameter exist who dosent copy hideen datas?
07:03<padski>philipp, "hidden datas" ?
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07:03<jm_>try |grep -i devel or whatever
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07:05<philipp>padski datas woh bigin with a . like /home/user/.kde
07:05<Woet>learn some english please.
07:05<Woet>'woh bigin' ?
07:05<jm_>philipp: make sure your glob pattern doesn't include them
07:05<padski>or die ?
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07:06<padski>philipp, or use tar and its exclude options
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07:10<klando>weasel, I don't find how to remove the actual 'fr is ....', I just get some : <dpkg> ...but fr is already something else...
07:10<klando>so :-DD I tryed this :
07:10<klando>!now fr
07:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org.
07:10*klando hides
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07:11<weasel>!fr
07:11<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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07:12<weasel>dpkg: no, fr is <reply> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org.
07:12<dpkg>okay, weasel
07:12<weasel>!fr
07:12<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org.
07:12<weasel>klando: like that?
07:13<lsusid>!sr
07:13<lsusid>!hr
07:13<dpkg>[hr] Croatia
07:13<lsusid>!yu
07:13<dpkg>from memory, yu is Serbia and Montenegro, part of the former Yugoslavia
07:13<lsusid>!ba
07:13<dpkg>it has been said that ba is Bosnia & Herzegovina
07:13<lsusid>!rs
07:13<dpkg>A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sounddaemons and similar.. things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general) get one and be happy.
07:13<lsusid>!sr
07:13<klando>weasel, yep, thank you so muxh
07:13<weasel>lsusid: if you want to play with the bot do it in a query.
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07:14<klando>dpkg: no, fr is <reply> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org.
07:14<dpkg>klando: okay
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07:16<padski>ping
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07:19<UniDune>hi!
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07:20<UniDune>What's the best way to install the proprietary nvidia-driver with lenny atm? Because there are no packages available via apt.
07:20<padski>!nvidia
07:20<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
07:23<UniDune>yes, but in my eyes the best way is via m-a. But that fails because nvidia-kernel-source isn't in lenny atm.
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07:24<UniDune>btw: all described possibilties won't work because of missing nvidia-kernel-source or nvidia-glx
07:24<chealer>UniDune: probably using sid's X (with a lenny/sid mix)
07:25<UniDune>hm, ok. I'll try that
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07:30<UniDune>next problem: nvidia-glx is uninstallable in sid
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07:31<chealer>UniDune: which report covers that?
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07:32<jm_>UniDune: just rebuild it from source on lenny
07:32<spar74n_>looks like i can speak again ;)
07:33<padski>spar74n_, try to use this gift wisely :-)
07:34<spar74n_>padski i will my friend i was in dire need of help yesterday alas i couldnt speak so i learned
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07:36<spar74n_>i know i can be a pain in the *ss i do have to live with myself ;)
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07:41<Valkoinenpulu>is there anyway to scroll up the list when using ls?
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07:42<jm_>Valkoinenpulu: no, ls itself has no such functionality
07:42<Valkoinenpulu>any workaround for it then?
07:43<jm_>use a pager
07:43<padski>Valkoinenpulu, use less or the scrollback inyour terminal if it has it
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07:43<padski>Valkoinenpulu, try shift-PageUp
07:43<Valkoinenpulu>haven't installed kde (haven't installed anything on the box except the bare minimum)
07:43<jm_>man more
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07:44<Valkoinenpulu>...which might've been a bit too much to chew for a total linux newb... >_>;
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07:45<madhat>;)
07:45<jm_>?? grounding
07:45<jm_>!grounding
07:45<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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07:46<Valkoinenpulu>read through those but haven't found anything to that would help me out with ls. dir in dos had a way to limit how much it showed at a time, anything similar on ls?
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07:46<klando>!debianize
07:47<jm_>Valkoinenpulu: so you are telling me those docs don't explain the concept of pipes and pager?
07:47<klando>!git-buildpackage
07:47<padski>!nmg#
07:47<padski>!nmg
07:47<dpkg>[nmg] Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/, or ask me about <mentors> and <mg>
07:47<klando>tks padski
07:47<Valkoinenpulu>reading and understanding ain't the same...
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07:48<jm_>absolutely, there's no point in trying to read it if you can't be bothered thinking about it
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07:54<Homere>hello
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07:55<padski>Valkoinenpulu, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipeline_(Unix)
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07:56<Valkoinenpulu>thanks
07:57<Homere>are there good reasons not using Ubuntu LTS on servers instead of Debian ?
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07:57<padski>Homere, are you sure you don't want #ubuntu ?
07:58<Homere>no
07:58<Homere>I want #debian
07:58<klando>Homere, ubuntu is a product, debian a project
07:58<Homere>I'm managing more than 100 Debian servers, some are still using sarge
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07:59<klando>choose if you want a community or a company in front of your needs
07:59<Homere>sarge security support is over but I can't migrate all servers to Etch (MySQL 5)
08:00<Homere>klando: there is a pretty good Ubuntu community
08:00<klando>like the mysql one, sure
08:00<Homere>for desktops
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08:00<klando>there is no mysql4 in etch ?
08:01<padski>Homere, do you have a plan for your legacy mysql ?
08:01<Homere>klando: no
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08:01<Homere>padski: it's really boring. I've tester a migration from 4 to 5 for hosting and many websites brokes
08:01<Homere>some customers are still using OScommerce from 2002
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08:02<Tuplad>hey guys, I have a question... I have this wireless usb stick that I havent used for a month or so, it was never installed on this computer, how do I make it work ? it's an ASUS WL-167g USB WLAN Adapter. If I just stick it in it won't work :} how do I instal new hardware in Linux ? :D
08:03<sound_heart>I have installed a picture viewing package named gimageview, but I don't know how to start it, what should do?
08:03<klando>Homere, for your specific situation i would recommend to make your own package for mysql4
08:03<klando>and move to etch
08:03<padski>when is end of life upstream on mysql 4 ?
08:03<Homere>klando: no question, building own package is EVIL
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08:04<klando>I am agnostic
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08:04<klando>ahem, atheist is th egood word
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08:05<padski>Homere, http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/lifecycle/
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08:07<klando>End of Product Lifecycle. Active development and support for MySQL database server versions 3.23, 4.0, and 4.1 has ended. However, for MySQL 4.0 and 4.1, there is still extended support available
08:07<klando>so, pay mysqlAB or switch to postgresql :-DD
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08:07<klando>padski, Homere http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/news-4-1-24.html
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08:08<padski>until the end of 2009, which is not long. you already had a year of overlapping sarge/etch support.
08:08<klando>support is only when you pay, so the actual next release is not done but got some critical security fixes
08:08<operal>i wish to tell the kernel to ignore the autoloading of a module, is that possible?
08:08<padski>Homere, do you need to patch security holes in these mysql installations ?
08:08<operal>blacklisting it doesnt seem to work
08:08<Tuplad>hey guys, I have a question... I have this wireless usb stick that I havent used for a month or so, it was never installed on this computer, how do I make it work ? it's an ASUS WL-167g USB WLAN Adapter. If I just stick it in it won't work :} how do I instal new hardware in Linux ? :D
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08:10<sound_heart>how can i add extension name to a group of image files with a command line?
08:11<petemc>ls | (while read; do mv "$REPLY" "${REPLY}.ext"; done)
08:11<jm_>operal: yes
08:11<padski>Homere, but dapper server should be good til 2011-06
08:11<petemc>sound_heart: obviously that just blindly adds .ext to every file
08:11<padski>Homere, when do you retire? ;-)
08:11<jm_>sound_heart: prename or mmv or ZGZUI tools
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08:12<jm_>GUI even
08:12<operal>jm_: how would i go about doing that?
08:12<jm_>operal: blacklist it
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08:12<operal>jm_: i tried that, and it still seemed to show up..
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08:13<Homere>I've got 18 sarge servers, 4 will be removes
08:13<Homere>removed
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08:13<jm_>operal: how did you do it?
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08:14<operal>jm_: i added a line in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist as "blacklist modulename"
08:14<jm_>operal: that's wrong
08:15<operal>jm_: whats right then?
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08:15<operal>i think that is how i usually remove the pcspkr from driving me insane :)
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08:17<jm_>!tell operal -about bell
08:17<padski>Homere, how do you thinking of doing it, dist-upgrade ?
08:17<Homere>forcing i
08:17<Homere>it
08:18<jm_>operal: install modulename /bin/truw
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08:18<Homere>I'll tell the customer we can't provide any SLA with sarge
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08:18<padski>Homere, sounds like a fun project. you gonna do a test run in a vm ? write it up post it in the wiki ?
08:18<Homere>padski: no way !
08:18<Homere>apt-get dist-upgrade
08:18<Homere>yes to all and it will work
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08:19<operal>jm_: /bin/truw?
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08:19<jm_>operal: true
08:19<Homere>The difference between Debian and RedHat is than you can upgrade a Debian server without wondering if it will work or not
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08:21<operal>jm_: im not really following that command line... what is suppoed to happen by copying the modname to /bin/true?
08:21<operal>im not that sure of install either, im just trying to decrypt the man-pages
08:22<jm_>operal: no it goes in a file in modprobe.d dir
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08:23<padski>Homere, the upgrade path is excellent, but I wouldn't oversell it. the mysql situation is an example. besides, sarge to dapper is not supported this side is it ? is it supported that side ?
08:23<frag>what happens if the system tries to go beyond the inode limit (kernel 2.6.12)? Would it crash horribly?
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08:24<operal>jm_: how does install know to put the reseult in modprobe.d/ ?
08:24<operal>*result
08:24<jm_>operal: uhm no, you put that line in some file
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08:25<jm_>like you did with blacklist line
08:25<operal>ahhh
08:25<operal>things suddenly made alot more sense :)
08:25<frag>and, is this statement still true?: "if you increase the file-max, be sure to increase the inode-max to 3-4 times the new value of file-max, or you will run out of inodes."
08:26<tinman>hmmm, this irc client feels SO weird
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08:30<operal>jm_: hmm, i added the line "install modulname /bin/true" in the blacklist-file (prob a poor selection, but atleast i know it's being read)
08:30<operal>the module is still there on reboot
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08:31<jm_>operal: no need to reboot, you can test it with modprobe
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08:31<operal>jm_: well i did reboot, yet it's still there...
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08:32<jm_>operal: is it loaded by initramfs perhaps?
08:32<sound_heart>jm_, I have installed the mmv package, but have difficulty understand the manual, could you please tell me the command line for adding an extension to a bunch of files?
08:32<gsimmons>Tuplad: Which version of this device do you have? Run update-usbids, then provide the output received for "lsusb | grep 167G".
08:33<operal>jm_: havnt checked, might be a possibility i guess... but it is a network driver, should that bi incorporated in the intiramfs?
08:33<operal>*be
08:33<jm_>sound_heart: uhm mmv -n '*' '#1.jm'
08:33<Tuplad>gsimmons: ASUS WL-167g USB WLAN Adapter is what I have
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08:33<Tuplad>gsimmons: I actually found a manual on their site and the first step is to cat /proc/usb/devices and I dont even have that :o
08:34<gsimmons>Tuplad: I'm after the entire lsusb output, please.
08:34<gsimmons>Uh, the one-line output, I mean.
08:34<Tuplad>gsimmons: nothing
08:34<jm_>operal: I have no idea since I don't use Debian kernels
08:34<operal>ah
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08:34<operal>jm_: well, thanks for the help anyway :)
08:35<Tuplad>gsimmons: lsusb | grep 167g gives nothing
08:35<gsimmons>Tuplad: "lsusb | grep 167G". Note the capital G.
08:36<Tuplad>gsimmons: I tried both, 167g 167G and 167, none of them gave anything
08:36<jm_>operal: can't you check when it gets loaded?
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08:37<gsimmons>Tuplad: Did you run "update-usbids" as root, beforehand?
08:37<Tuplad>gsimmons: oh crap, forgot that part, excuse me
08:37<Tuplad>still nothing
08:38<Tuplad>gsimmons: oh, running lsusb with root helps >_>
08:38<Tuplad>Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0b05:1723 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. WL-167G v2 802.11g Adapter [ralink]
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08:45<Tuplad>gsimmons: any thoughts?
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08:47<operal>jm_: at the moment im trying to figure out how to extract the intrd-file, not something i do on a regular basis :)
08:47<gsimmons>Tuplad: Which Debian suite are you using?
08:48<Tuplad>gsimmons: lenny
08:48<jm_>operal: uncompress it, run file on it
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08:51<operal>jm_: well its a cpio archive
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08:53<frag>Is this statement still true or is inode-max set automatically in 2.6 kernels?: "if you increase the file-max, be sure to increase the inode-max to 3-4 times the new value of file-max, or you will run out of inodes."
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08:56<operal>jm_: i ran a grep into the extracted archive, all i found matching the drivername was the .ko files themselves
08:56<tq|Memphis>hi
08:56<operal>grep -Rsi to be exact
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08:58<tq|Memphis>hmm what is the command for update? i want to find a file someone said that first u should write "update db" than"locate <file>"
08:58<tq|Memphis>is it correct form
08:58<tq|Memphis>terminal says there is no update command
08:58<azeem>did you try
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08:58<tq|Memphis>yes
08:58<azeem>tq|Memphis: /msg dpkg search
08:58<frag>tq|Memphis: updatedb
08:59<tq|Memphis>frag ty
08:59<frag>tq|Memphis: and look up slocate and locate. debian-administration.org covers it
08:59<tq|Memphis>checking
09:00<tq|Memphis> /msg dpkg listkeys <thing> its useful also
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09:00<jm_>operal: can't you see on console when it gets loaded?
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09:02<gsimmons>Tuplad: Install 'module-assistant', run "m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2x00" and modprobe the rt2500usb driver. Should that fail, try the rt73usb driver. Determine interface existance using ifconfig -a / iwconfig.
09:02<Tuplad>gsimmons: all that in the order you wrote it ?
09:03<gsimmons>Tuplad: Use ifconfig/iwconfig after loading each driver.
09:03<Tuplad>ok, roger that, thank you
09:03<Tuplad>I'll try now
09:04<tq|Memphis>today i'll learn vi command :/
09:05<Tuplad>tq|Memphis: I was just doing that, haha :D
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09:05<Tuplad>gsimmons: is it normal that it downloads a bunch of software after m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2x00 ?
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09:06<operal>jm_: not sure what to look for as to describe "when" it's loaded other then during boot from looking at the dmesg-output
09:06<gsimmons>Tuplad: Yes.
09:06<Tuplad>gsimmons: ok :)
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09:07<jm_>operal: so it's not mentioned as in something like loading module foo?
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09:07<jm_>operal: well just rmmod it and see if it gets loaded with modprobe
09:08<operal>irc:/boot# dmesg|grep dmfe
09:08<operal>dmfe: Davicom DM9xxx net driver, version 1.36.4 (2002-01-17)
09:08<operal>that is all
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09:13<Tuplad>damn lol gsimmons, everything just crashed :o
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09:14<Tuplad>gsimmons: repeating the process
09:14<rami>Hello I am trying to install a vb program using wine....
09:15<tq|Memphis>!topic
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09:16<daziel>Bom dia!
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09:17<Tuplad>gsimmons: as far as I can get is the installing of source with m-a, how do I modprobe the driver and what do I do after ? :/
09:17<padski>!wine
09:17<dpkg>it has been said that wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.
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09:20<gsimmons>Tuplad: modprobe rt2500usb, check for a new interface (ifconfig -a, iwconfig).
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09:21<padski>my package has empty /usr/bin/ and /usr/sbin/ dirs
09:21<Tuplad>oh so I was doing it right
09:21<Tuplad>gsimmons: no new interface
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09:22<gsimmons>Tuplad: Try the rt73usb driver.
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09:22<Tuplad>m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt73usb ?
09:23<gsimmons>Tuplad: No, you've built it as part of rt2x00-modules-*. It's already available.
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09:23<Tuplad>:x
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09:23*Tuplad prays for help.
09:24<Tuplad>gsimmons: modprobe rt73usb ?
09:24<gsimmons>Tuplad: Yes.
09:24<Tuplad>amazing :D
09:24<Tuplad>now I need some wifi software dont I ? like wifi-radar
09:24<Tuplad>gsimmons: it shows in ifconfig -a
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09:35<finek>hi, i want to mount my cdrom but "mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist"
09:35<finek>how to create that device
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09:36<jm_>finek: udev should create it for you
09:36<padski>finek, it is a symlink to the real device
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09:36<jm_>see /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules
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09:38<finek>jm_, i dont have z25_persistent-cd.rules
09:39<jm_>finek: are you using Etch?
09:39<finek>no
09:39<finek>kubuntu
09:40<finek>where can i find help?
09:40<jm_>!ubuntu
09:40<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:41<finek>oh freenode
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09:41<tq|Memphis>shit i'm still needy to windows :/
09:41<finek>!based on debian
09:41<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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10:04<padski>wow, wine 1.0 has a release schedule. 6th jun 2008
10:04<aptituz>lol
10:04<avtobiff>that is swedens national day
10:05<avtobiff>and the day after my birthday.
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10:11<Mantaar>uhm. Hey guys. Does anyone know if there's a powerPc port for firefox 3?
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10:14<padski>Mantaar, does it need porting ?
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10:16<Supaplex>Mantaar: maybe sid has one. see packages.debian.org
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10:17<Mantaar>Supaplex: thanks, but I'm already on sid.
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10:17<Mantaar>It's an old 780 G4 Powermac. I really don't want to compile firefox here and I've found nothing on the net.
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10:19<padski>Mantaar, ok. you are after powerpc binaries, presumably preferably a debian package ?
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10:20<Mantaar>padski: Uhm. well, i don't really need a debian package, I think I could make one myself - or just install it in the user's home.
10:20<Mantaar>But yeah, I'm after binary packages. I just don't feel like compiling...
10:20<padski>Mantaar, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4014057
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10:22<Mantaar>thx, padski, I'll look into it.
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10:22<jm_>it's amazing how little google power some people have
10:22<padski>Mantaar, you are welcome. google is my friend :-)
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10:23<crazyb0y>google is our best friend in the internet space i think =)))
10:24<Mantaar>yay, here it is: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/firefox-3.0
10:24<Mantaar>... google is my friend, too, but this time it failed me... May be because I usually use -ubuntu
10:25<Kit_Ramsey>google has linux repositories for some of its software, for all the claims of "interoperability" microsoft has made, where are the abundance of pro-linux offerings on microsoft.com? any repositories? none that I can find
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10:26<padski>"You step into the shadows and offer the man a thirty credit bill."
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10:28<Mantaar>d'oh. Dependency-hell...
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10:29<padski>Mantaar, you could try extracting it manually.
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10:33<Mantaar>hum. I would rather avoid such manual work. Besides, the deps are needed anyways, aren't they ;-)
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10:35<Mantaar>nevermind, it worked ^^
10:35<Mantaar>thanks
10:35<padski>Mantaar, result :-)
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10:52<twb>I am distraught. The changelog viewing function (bound to C) in aptitude no longer bolds the new entries for me in Lenny with xterm -e sudo aptitude nor xterm -e screen sudo aptitude. However it *does* work for $colleague's Lenny (I think with urxvt or gnome-terminal). Identical aptitude version in both.
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10:54<vn->hi, why would I get this in a fresh debian install? I copied my sources.list from an existing debian box : Failed to fetch file:/var/apt-build/repository/dists/apt-build/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz File not found
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10:55<padski>vn-, reckon you have that in your sources.list
10:55<vn->that being..what?
10:56<twb>vn-: a repository in /var/apt-build/repository
10:56<vn->uh
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10:56<padski>vn-, man sources.list
10:56<padski>vn-, I don't know much about apt-build, but that would appear to be a clue
10:57<vn->yeah I had it
10:57<vn->but there's no mention of apt-build in my sources.list...
10:57<vn->wait
10:57<vn->someone hurt me please
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10:58<vn->weee
10:58<vn->code 18..
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10:58<padski>!punch
10:58*dpkg masturbates at the thought of punch
10:58<Mantaar>o.O
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10:59<twb>I didn't realize that thoughts were sufficiently manifest to have a direction.
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11:07<chandu>Hi
11:08<chandu>While booting on non intel processor machine
11:08<chandu>on 2.6.24 kerne
11:08<chandu>there is a message "No Capable Intel Processor found"
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11:08<Mantaar>chandu: what do you mean by non-intel? non-x86 or just an amd?
11:09<chandu>Mantaar, AMD
11:09<chandu>Mantaar, I tested on AMD and Intel
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11:09<chandu>Mantaar, On Intel ..there is no such msg
11:09<pumpkin0>chandu: which kernel did you use
11:09<chandu>Mantaar, 2.6.24
11:09<chandu>Mantaar, I built it manually
11:10<pumpkin0>pumpkin0: 2.6.24-486, 686, MAD64, EMT64, IA64,...
11:10<chandu>Mantaar, System is booting fine ..but in the boot msg ..the above line is displaying
11:10<chandu>Mantaar, I want to suppress that msg
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11:10<Mantaar>chandu: If you built it manually enabling "x86 compatibility mode" should help
11:10<Mantaar>... though it could slow you down a bit.
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11:11<chandu>Mantaar, ok
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11:12<Mantaar>I don't remember, but under Processor settings in make menuconfig there were some thing with regard to the processor model one could seriously screw up with... I'll download the sources now to see if I can remember which ones...
11:13<tark>hi everyone, it seems su-to-root isn't installed on my lenny. does anyone know how i can get it installed ?
11:13<twb>tark: never heard of it
11:14<Mantaar>tark: uhm... so 'su' doesn't work?
11:14<Eckrall>su - root?
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11:15<twb>tark: that program is provided by the `menu' package.
11:15<tark>su does work but for instance to run gadmin-proftpd from gnome menu the command is the .desktop file uses su-to-root
11:15<twb>Don't ask me *why*...
11:15<twb>tark: .desktop normally requires menu
11:15<twb>At least, so I thought.
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11:15<tark>twb it looks like you may be right
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11:17<padski>tark, apt-file find su-to-root
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11:17<padski>tark, also, /msg dpkg su-to-root
11:17<padski>sorry ...
11:18<padski> /msg dpkg find su-to-root
11:19<tark>padski thx for the tip i'll use apt-file next time, problem solved
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11:19<padski>twb, it is very handy
11:19<padski>sorry
11:19<padski>tark, it is very handy
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11:21<twb>Yeah, even though it's consuming 80MB of my preciously small disk :-(
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11:24<tark> /msg dpkg is maybe a good compromise then
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11:24<twb>Nah, that's too much hassle
11:25<padski>generally when I want apt-file I also want a network to download the package on
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11:26<padski>it surely wouldn't be hard to have a command line apt-file network client
11:26<twb>It'd still require network access ;-)
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11:27<padski>twb, see above
11:27<twb>Yes, but I'm not you.
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11:28<padski>twb, what is the use-case ?
11:29<twb>I'm sitting at home trying to remember what package to install, so that I can schedule its installation
11:30<twb>Admittedly, not a common case
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11:31<padski>twb, sounds like that 80MB is earning its pay in that case
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11:55<Wesley>Where to look at when I have two users; who need ftp access to the same directory? (file permission problem)
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11:56<Wesley>user1 owns the files, user2 is unable to edit/delete them
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11:57<padski>Wesley, group permissions ?
11:57<Wesley>Ah, so I could add the two users to the group "test" and then chown the files?
11:57<avtobiff>Wesley, yes
11:57<padski>!ftp
11:57<dpkg>well, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine.
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11:58<blorb>unencrypted ftp is anonymous ?
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12:00<LoGiCa>Hi, can someone help. I just installed Debian 40r3 as a dual boot with XP.It gave me the option to install Grub on the MBR but it does'nt seem to have done it as the system boots directly into XP.Primary Drive is Sata, and debian is installed on ide slave
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12:01<LoGiCa>ata slave
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12:01<amphi>LoGiCa: you can't select the boot device?
12:01<twb>LoGiCa: you should tell the BIOS to boot from the second disk
12:01<LoGiCa>no it does'nt give me the option
12:01<LoGiCa>no grub menu
12:02<twb>BIOS /= grub menu
12:02<LoGiCa>16:00… twb: LoGiCa: you should tell the BIOS to boot from the second disk - Ah right doh! thnx
12:02<LoGiCa>thnx for the help
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12:03<Wesley>Ehr whats the command to add a user to a group?
12:03<munga>Wesley: addgroup
12:03<Wesley>But the user already exists
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12:04<munga>Wesley: rtm
12:04<Wesley>I don't reading the manual, just need to know what to look for
12:05<Wesley>useradd: user content exists
12:05<jaakko>munga: which manual?
12:05<Wesley>I used the -G option
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12:06<munga>man addgroup
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12:06<munga>Add an existing user to an existing group: If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group.
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12:08<munga>duh ... my comment about the manual is maybe misleading... adduser and addgoup share the same man page, but you actually want to use adduser ...
12:09<Wesley>will usermod do the same?
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12:11<m0RrE>does anyone know if it's possible to get the taskbar of gnome-terminal to flash, get bold or something similar when i'm getting hilighted in irssi?
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12:16<avtobiff>m0RrE, you could change the title of the shell i believe. is that sufficient?
12:16<mmi>my monitor go in stanby this is even before showing the splash-screen, debian is without x installed
12:17<mmi>can anybody help me?
12:17<m0RrE>avtobiff: if it changes when i get hilighted it's fine
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12:18<avtobiff>mmi, maybe try booting with noapic
12:18<m0RrE>is it possible to get the terminal bell to change the title dynamically?
12:18<avtobiff>m0RrE, then i think it would be possible
12:18<avtobiff>m0RrE, i bet that some irssi-script is the easiest way to go
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12:18<m0RrE>i can't find anything about thin in the regular settings
12:18<mmi>i have allready but norhig
12:19<mmi>nothing
12:19<m0RrE>ah, that might be possible
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12:20<mmi>this is after i update to 2.6.18-6-686
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12:21<bighornram>on an amd64 install, will a program run which installs it's own jvm (i386)?
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12:30<Greyhound>klhoiho
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12:31<ximobile>!flashplayer
12:31<dpkg>i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
12:32<Guest2004>hi
12:32<ximobile>!extras
12:32<jorge_>hola:)
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12:33<vn>how can I get backports included with other sources? say I do a apt-get upgrade, I want apt-get to use backports
12:33<vn>because, afaik, backports are deactivated by default
12:33<twb>Add a sources.list entry.
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12:34<vn>I did
12:34<twb>apt-get update
12:34<vn>also did
12:34<twb>So what's the problem?
12:35<vn>well idk, last time I upgraded my kernel, I had 2.6.24 linux-image packages
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12:35<vn>now I don't have those with my new box
12:35<vn>I copied the sources.list
12:35<twb>2.6.24 is in Sid, not backports (AFAIK).
12:36<krakatoa>one chanel debian spanish please???
12:36<twb>!tell krakatoa -about es
12:36<twb>Hmm.
12:36<twb>!es
12:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:36<krakatoa>thanks
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12:36<twb>De nada.
12:37<krakatoa>;P
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12:37<vn>ok
12:37<vn>oh well the 2.6.22 will do heh
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12:41<twb>What's the (aladdin stuffit) extraction utility called? I can't find it in aptitude.
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12:43<petemc>gnome has file-roller
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12:46<twb>petemc: does that work with stuffit (.sit) files?
12:46<petemc>oh right, no idea
12:46<twb>IME file-roller is just a retarded wrapper for command-line tools
12:47<petemc>i actually thought stuffit was just the name of some front end app for archives
12:47<twb>stuffit is a utility for the stuffit archive format, and also the file format itself
12:47<twb>Since the format sucked, it's probably deprecated even by the utility
12:48<twb>Probably replaced by .dmg
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12:49<petemc>the stuffit app that came with macs at one point also handled other archive formats
12:50<twb>Yep.
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12:50<twb>But in this case I'm trying to "unstuff" a file using the stuffit file format
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12:51<twb>I guess I must've used upstream's unix binary
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12:53<padski>twb, last time I looked that format was their lunch ticket and they were still flogging it to anyone they could
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12:55<twb>padski: I guess that's why they've been bought out TWICE since I last looked
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12:56<krakatoa>#debian-es
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13:03<slingan>Hi, I'm curious, has xmms been removed from unstable?
13:04<noflash>slingan, there is a packages list on debian.org
13:06<slingan>i know, but it says its there, and I cannot find it with apt-cache search
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13:07<slingan>it says no installation canditate? What is xmms2?
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13:09<padski>slingan, a successor project
13:09<padski>!xmms
13:09<dpkg>rumour has it, xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html For alternatives, look at xmms2, rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet ...
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13:10<twb>Strict alternatives would be audacious and bmpx
13:11<twb>For all that they suck, dpkg should probably list them directly after xmms2
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13:11<padski>last I heard noone wanted to be cited as a drop-in replacement.
13:11<slingan>oh crap!, xmms was so simple and light...
13:11<twb>slingan: try audacious
13:11<twb>padski: hehe
13:11<slingan>twb: thanx will check that out
13:11<padski>+1 for audacious
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13:13<slingan>twb: perfect! looks exactly like I want it. *bows*
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13:13<twb>Incidentally, I feel that requiring pixbuf is NOT "simple and light"
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13:14<twb>That'd be more like mpd :P
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13:15<slingan>ok, I dont want 2gigs of software loading with a gazillion unessesary plugins
13:15<twb>What can turn http://radio.internode.on.net:8140/ into "3knd - Kool n Deadly"?
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13:16<twb>slingan: even GNOME only require 1.8GB
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13:17<slingan>twb: yeah, I know, thats why I normally run xfce, im sure a 3Ghz P4 with 2,5 gigs of ram can handle it though
13:17<twb>XFCE requires 1.2GB
13:17<slingan>hahah
13:17<slingan>I had no idea
13:17<twb>I'm not joking, I measured it yesterday.
13:17<slingan>cool
13:17<slingan>That sux
13:17<slingan>kde then?
13:17<slingan>window manager?
13:18<twb>Technically I'm counting xubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop on Hardy; they pull in a few other things than just XFCE -- for example, XFCE doesn't require Xorg to be installed.
13:18<twb>I didn't measure KDE
13:18<jaakko>xfce: no xorg? what is it using?
13:18<slingan>It doesn't? thats intresting
13:18<twb>jaakko: you run X on the other machine, the thin client
13:18<slingan>oh
13:18<slingan>ja
13:19<slingan>yeah, if you say it like that
13:19<jaakko>twb: I guess you can do that with any system
13:20<slingan>got to go, thanx for the help ppl :)
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13:20<twb>I guess you don't wanna wait for the KDE measurement, then
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13:28<an0n1m>hi, i'm trying to copy a stream (mmsh) but wget is not working :(
13:28<twb>for i in '' x k; do echo n | chroot x apt-get install ${i}ubuntu-desktop | grep After | grep -o [0-9]\\+MB; done | fmt
13:28<twb>1868MB 1251MB 1415MB
13:29<twb>And to install ALL THREE it's 2.7GB
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13:39<an0n1m>someone can help me?
13:39<avtobiff>is apt-pinning broke?
13:39<an0n1m>i'm trying to copy with wget a stream (mmsh)
13:39<avtobiff>!ask
13:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
13:41<an0n1m>How can i copy an asf stream with wget? the link is: http://servidor11.crossdigital.com.br:8000/rit1
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13:42<twb>avtobiff: I just have APT::Default-Release "testing"; in my apt.conf, and THAT is working
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13:42<jaakko>an0n1m: what is asf? I think VLC could download streams better.
13:42<twb>avtobiff: IME pinning is very sensitive to the difference between "testing" and "lenny" and similar for etch, sid.
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13:46<twb>Where can I find aptitude hackers?
13:46<twb>[repeat] I am distraught. The changelog viewing function (bound to C) in aptitude no longer bolds the new entries for me in Lenny with xterm -e sudo aptitude nor xterm -e screen sudo aptitude. However it *does* work for $colleague's Lenny (I think with urxvt or gnome-terminal). Identical aptitude version in both.
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13:48<an0n1m>thx jaakko
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13:52<linkslice>is this a good place to get help with backporting?
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13:52<twb>linkslice: good enough.
13:53<twb>linkslice: if you aren't using bpo, you might be better off at #debian-mentors
13:53<twb>That channel is for people who are making .debs for the first time.
13:53<linkslice>twb: that sounds like the place for me then! :-p
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14:16<lewis>silly question - how do I choose the target dir when extracting a .tar? tar -xvvf foo.bar /home/bar ??
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14:19<Engywuck>go to the target dir, then from in ther tar -xzvf /path/to/tar
14:19<Engywuck>that's what I do
14:19<x03>hallo
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14:19<lewis>ok - thanks
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14:21<twb>Noooooo
14:21<twb>tar -C
14:22<Engywuck>someone with udev knowledge here?
14:22<Engywuck>i added a udev rule
14:22<Engywuck>that has a RUN+="/lukssetup %k ESD01" option
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14:23<Engywuck>the script is run, the first echo (testing the parameters) is written faster to the testfile than i relly can measure
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14:23<Engywuck>but the following command (cryptsetup luksOpen ...) needs *three* minutes for completion
14:24<Engywuck>if done manually a few seconds
14:24<Engywuck>is that normal?
14:24<fxiny>luks ?
14:25<fxiny>why you want a udev rule ?
14:25<Engywuck>well, I want it to mount automatically if added
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14:25<Engywuck>if anyone has a ressource how tu (ab)use hald for that i'll take it
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14:26<Engywuck>or another solution
14:26<fxiny>i have a full encrypted luks etch
14:26<Engywuck>me too
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14:26<Engywuck>the problem is the encrypted SD card.....
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14:26<Engywuck>:)
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14:27<fxiny>i see
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14:27<twb>What's the status of Recommend relations becoming opt-out?
14:28<twb>aptitude behaves that way by default, and I heard someone suggest that apt-get would soon also be opt-out for Recommends.
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14:28<Engywuck>that's just UGLY
14:28<Engywuck>for people with small systems
14:29<twb>IMO it is the correct behaviour -- it shifts the extra work to people who know what they're doing.
14:29<Engywuck>better add a good section about it to install-documents
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14:29<Engywuck>oh, and aptitude is opt-in, too it seems
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14:29<Engywuck>at least on my freshly-installed system
14:30<twb>Engywuck: your aptitude conf is empty?
14:30<dutch>debian netinstall: install tasks="kde-desktop, standard" installed both Gnome and KDE.... Isn't it supposed to install KDE only, with those parameters?
14:30<twb>Engywuck: is it stable, or testing?
14:30<INT_80h>I don't follow...opt in?
14:30<INT_80h>recommended packages aren't installed by default, is that what you mean?
14:30<twb>INT_80h: opt-in means that by default, Recommends relationships are totally ignored
14:30<Engywuck>testing
14:31<INT_80h>yeah, ok
14:31<INT_80h>that's changing?
14:31<Engywuck>that's twb's idea
14:31<twb>That's my *question*.
14:31<Engywuck>but he wants LVM default, too
14:31<Engywuck>and wipe of windows installations upon debian install
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14:31<INT_80h>i could see lvm default before seeing recommends opt-out
14:31<twb>Engywuck: kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth.
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14:32*ApOgEE- busan
14:32<owais>can any one help me to start 3ddesk
14:33<owais>i am getting an error msg
14:33<Admin>anybody knows do i have to manually make module for fglrx for custom kernel?
14:33<fxiny>twb: i don't understand : are you saying apt will install recommended or will just show them . like aptitude does ?
14:33<valdyn>Admin: yes
14:33<Engywuck>oops, sorry
14:33<Admin>valdyn how do i make it?
14:33<valdyn>!fglrx
14:33<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method. see </msg dpkg ati>
14:33<Engywuck>my mid-term memory is faulty
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14:34<Engywuck>Mea Maxima Culpa
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14:35<twb>fxiny: the semantics of Recommends is that "normal" people should honor them, and only people who know better should break them. Therefore the correct behaviour is that they are installed unless they are explicitly broken, but because historically this hasn't been done and because it shifts effort onto the actively voting part of the Debian community, it apparently isn't happening.
14:35<dutch>(bump) debian netinstall: install tasks="kde-desktop, standard" installed both Gnome and KDE.... Isn't it supposed to install KDE only, with those parameters?
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14:35<Admin>valdyn no posts on the site
14:35<twb>Furthermore, at least one package maintainer told me (yesterday, but I forget which package) that they refused to use Recommends as specified by the Debian Policy specifically because Recommends relationships are currently ignored.
14:35<INT_80h>requires relationships are required, recommends rels are recommended :P
14:36<Admin>valdyn kernel is gr8 i have problem with fglrx i dont know how to make module for custom kernel
14:36<twb>I remember, it was openafs-dbserver
14:36<INT_80h>i could see having a new dpkg/apt option for autoselecting them
14:36<INT_80h>but NOT automatically selecting
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14:36<INT_80h>i think more than one maint is using recommends improperly...they recommend a lot of useless frikkin stuff
14:37<twb>At least within aptitude, it is a one-line change to change opt-out to opt-in (or vice-versa).
14:37<twb>INT_80h: and these are bugs that should be fixe
14:37<valdyn>dpkg: fglrx =~ s# See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method.##
14:37<dpkg>OK, valdyn
14:37<twb>INT_80h: the REASON they recommend stupid things is BECAUSE they're opt-in!
14:37<valdyn>!fglrx
14:37<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati>
14:38<twb>For example, #386360
14:38<INT_80h>it seems to me it would take a lot of work to completely clean up the recommends relationships of the apt repos
14:38<valdyn>fam is recommended
14:38<INT_80h>so that you wouldnt constantly get shit that was sorta related maybe helpful
14:38<valdyn>which is horrible if followed
14:38<twb>INT_80h: and every year, the number of packages grows
14:38<twb>INT_80h: all the better to do it now
14:39<INT_80h>perhaps
14:39<INT_80h>i can see your point, but the point is that the recommends relationship was designed differently than it's being used
14:39<INT_80h>until the current state matches the desired one, apt should be opt-in for recommends
14:39<twb>INT_80h: not designed, *specified*
14:40<INT_80h>because the sort've colloquial usage of recommends is "related and maybe useful"
14:40<twb>INT_80h: but that will never be the case because there is no incentive for maintainers, in an opt-in system, to fix their policy non-compliance
14:40<INT_80h>not "please install unless you know better"
14:40<INT_80h>your supposition of forcing maintainers to fix puts users on the frontline of shit city
14:41<INT_80h>you sacrifice users for some maint incentive
14:41<valdyn>INT_80h: puts users of sid ...
14:41<valdyn>INT_80h: thats ok.
14:41<twb>INT_80h: it puts experimental or unstable (and maybe testing) users on the "front line"
14:42<twb>Nor do I consider accidentally installing fam to be "shit city".
14:42<Admin>valdyn i have x300 and made 2.6.24.3 custom kernel i have latest ati drivers also dont know how to make kernel headers for my custom kernel
14:42<valdyn>Admin: do you have issues understanding what dpkg said?
14:42<valdyn>!fglrx
14:42<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati>
14:42<INT_80h>i think if every small install you make comes with unexpected and frequently unnecessary packages
14:42<twb>INT_80h: compare "every small install" to "every large install" -- I suspect the latter are in the vast majority.
14:42<fxiny>twb: i think installing all recommended is not logic
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14:43<valdyn>!fglrx one-liner
14:43<dpkg>well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
14:43<twb>fxiny: I'm saying make it *opt-out* -- you can still break it, and with ONE LINE of config you can make a host go back to opt-in.
14:43<INT_80h>twb: i don't follow; are you saying there are more large package installs than small ones
14:44<twb>fxiny: if admins are so fucking lazy that they prefer apt to disagree with the policy manual rather than write one line, then I don't know how Debian doesn't end up like RHEL
14:44<INT_80h>i see your points and can't disagree too strongly, twb; i still think maints should fix it first, so users arent always having to be told the opt-in trick
14:44<fxiny>twb: i see now "the out and the in"
14:44<twb>INT_80h: I'm saying that the number of hosts that care about saving 100MB of disk and 10MB of RAM are in the minority.
14:44<INT_80h>oh
14:44<INT_80h>thats a sad mentality
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14:44<INT_80h>i prefer to think of users and small systems first
14:45<INT_80h>the big guys can handle themselves
14:45<twb>So do I, but I also care about a lot of other things
14:45<Admin>valdyn im very sorry but i dont understand what should i do :0 it means little to me what u said im very new to debian
14:45<INT_80h>i run on a 350 and 700mhz most of the time, and disk and memory space are important, not to mention the waste
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14:46<INT_80h>but whatever, it wont be the end of the world if it goes opt-out...just depresses me to make a decision that inconveniences users to force maints of their butts to restore spec
14:46<valdyn>Admin: dpkg tried to tell you that yo should run "update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" after adding contrib and non-free sources
14:46<twb>The current semantics make things hard for new users to save people like us the effort of writing ONE EXTRA LINE to .aptitude/config or apt.conf
14:46<valdyn>Admin: now please ask which specific part is it you dont understand.
14:46<fxiny>twb: am i wrong or just aptitude asks for recommended ?
14:46<INT_80h>do you think the recommended packages help newbies? ive never seen anything useful in them but docs
14:46<twb>fxiny: I'm not sure about the default semantics of aptitude anymore
14:47<twb>INT_80h: what about installing Xorg when a user asks for a window manager?
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14:47<INT_80h>so this user theoretically says apt-get install gnome; and you want him to get xorg if he doesnt have it?
14:47<INT_80h>that ought to be in depends
14:47<INT_80h>not recommends
14:47<twb>INT_80h: that will NOT install an x server
14:47<twb>NO!
14:48<valdyn>INT_80h: umm?
14:48<INT_80h>why not?
14:48<Admin>valdyn so thats basically what i have to do when i boot from new kernel right?
14:48<twb>You can run GNOME on a remote X server
14:48<fxiny>twb: because i use aptitude only since etch release , i run apt just to check packages version so to add 'em to my records
14:48<INT_80h>hmm
14:48<valdyn>Admin: no, not really, a large part of that line is for switching to fglrx from a i different driver, its not needed when you already use fglrx to reconfigure the xserver
14:49<twb>It is correct (that is, agrees with Debian Policy) for X clients to Recommend (not Depend) on an X server.
14:49<twb>But a new user would expect installing X clients to result in an X server being installed.
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14:49<INT_80h>fascinating
14:49<fxiny>i most of the time ignore recommended
14:49<INT_80h>i didnt realise gnome could be run locally utilising a remote x server
14:49<valdyn>twb: a new debian user with no unix background.
14:49<twb>valdyn: right.
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14:50<fxiny>but i have to admit sometimes is good to have a remind
14:50<twb>People who are admins of their desktop, rather than admins of 100 nodes
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14:50<valdyn>( which is probably the hardest group to accomodate, unix people will just read the docs, at least they know the man command)
14:50<Admin>valdyn im very sorry for my small knowledge but i understand that i need to get packages
14:50<twb>Now, if it was going to seriously inconvenience experienced admins forever, I'd not be in favour of opt-out.
14:50<althaser>what's the difference between 86 ntfs and 97 ntfs file system please ?
14:50<Admin>valdyn but i really dont understand what i have to do...
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14:51<valdyn>Admin: this is very very simple, you got handed a command, that is long, but cut & paste works. You run that command, done.
14:51<Engywuck>we need a mor sophisticated "recommends" version
14:51<Admin>valdyn i dont understand the procedure
14:51<twb>But I think it would only inconvience them seriously for a month or so, while the dumbest Recommends get fixed, and then inconvience them only slightly (one line per host) after that.
14:51<valdyn>Admin: the part between "" is the command, you cut & paste it into a terminal, then hit enter
14:51<Engywuck>"strongly recommended" = install, unless you know what you are doing = opt-out
14:51<twb>Engywuck: USE FLAGS!! >troll<
14:51<fxiny>twb: so the question is : what qualify a packege as a recommended ? do 100 nodes admins needs differs from normal users ?
14:51<Engywuck>"recommended" = most people want it = opt-out
14:51<twb>Engywuck: that's basically my arguemtn.
14:52<Engywuck>"might be related" = opt-in
14:52<twb>Engywuck: that's Suggests
14:52<Admin>valdyn ok will do that but my understanding is still vague haha thx a lot:)
14:52<Engywuck>nut with the current system that's impossible, sorry
14:52<Engywuck>ok, then at least split recommends
14:52<valdyn>Admin: understanding is not required, but each command involved probably has a manpage too
14:52<twb>You can see the exact wording in the debian-policy package, policy.txt.gz, section 7.3.
14:52<fxiny>i don't think aptitude or apt should care about humans
14:52<INT_80h>so basically people are using recommends in the manner of suggests?
14:52<twb>INT_80h: yes
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14:53<INT_80h>i worry that we'll get hit with a lot of users complaining that trying to install something ends up installing unneeded packages...but i think maybe that would be worth dealing with to get recommends fixed
14:53<INT_80h>so i guess you've convinced me
14:53<twb>INT_80h: they're scared to use Recommends correctly because with opt-in semantics that would result in unusable systems (e.g. openafs-dbserver needs openafs-clients only when making a new cell)
14:54<twb>INT_80h: now we just need to convince all these other people :-)
14:54<INT_80h>the difficulty is actually in fixing it...we cant just move everything from recommends to suggests, although that would be the simplest (then move back anything a newb really probably needs)
14:55<Admin>valdyn ok thx a lot at least u didnt blocked me from speaking as some of people here did
14:56<Engywuck>why not add an "old-recommended" that's still opt-in and a new recommended with the sorrect *enforced* policy?
14:56<twb>INT_80h: you fix it by reporting bugs when you notice the faulty recommends, 05:38 <twb> For example, #386360
14:56<Engywuck>oh, and an automatic bug report if old-recommended is used :)
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14:56<valdyn>Admin: feel free to ask about errors that come up, but first just follow the advice that dpkg gave and i repeated
14:57<twb>I feel that people running sid can just live with that breakage for a month or two
14:57<fxiny>oh yes :)
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14:57<valdyn>sid users have to live with anything anyway
14:57<twb>Exactly
14:57<twb>Like libc breaking and being unable to log in
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14:57<Admin>valdyn ok no problem will do it tomorrow tough my machine is not here thx a lot and again sorry for my vague knowledge :)
14:58<INT_80h>whatever, it's usually easier on sid if you run any newer or weirder packages, backports = pain
14:58<INT_80h>haha
14:58<twb>Admin: please, have some punctuation. I have whole boxes of spares.
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15:00<Engywuck>ok, if it's just to make sid users show that they run a non-stable system: go on, twb
15:00<Admin>twb ok sorry :) over and out
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15:00<Engywuck>as long as it doesn't simmer in testing... :)
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15:00<twb>Engywuck: well, a RC pseudo-bug could be used to prevent an opt-out apt from migrating to testing
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15:01<twb>Something like that was used to keep emacs-snapshot out of Etch
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15:03<fxiny>i never take recommended as a suggestion but as a remind like : why are you dirty lazy *stard not using gdb ? :P
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15:20<dutch>debian netinstall: install tasks="kde-desktop, standard" installed both Gnome and KDE.... Isn't it supposed to install KDE only, with those parameters?
15:20<dutch>debian netinstall: install tasks="kde-desktop, standard" installed both Gnome and KDE.... Isn't it supposed to install KDE only, with those parameters?
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15:20<dutch>(oops... sorry for the dble pst)
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15:21<Engywuck>debian has some sort of "we will give you gnome even if you don't want it" standard setup in installer
15:21<Engywuck>dunno why
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15:22<Supaplex>dutch: #debian-boot should know
15:22<dutch>supaplex: thx
15:23<Supaplex>!test
15:23<Supaplex>ravenbird: be dpkg
15:23<ravenbird>wish i knew, Supaplex
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15:23<Supaplex>eh.
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15:33*ApOgEE- going offline... bye all
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15:35<JW>I'm still working on my T1000. On the page for updates for the T1000, there are several firmware versions listed. I currently have 6.3.9. Is there any reason I can't upgrade to a higher version like 6.6?
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15:35<JW>Or do I have to keep using the 6.3 series?
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15:37<blorb>heya all! :)
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15:45<jrolland>Help! I am in an emergency
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15:45<jrolland>My debian server crashed, wouldn't load nautilus, and now I am trapped at the console prompt
15:46<jrolland>How do I get back to runlevel 6?
15:46<Rik_>runlevel 6 is reboot
15:46<Rik_>you can check if your graphical login manager is still running and restart it if necessary (xdm, gdm, kdm)
15:47<jrolland>I'm not sure I'm explaining this right: when i restart, it doesn't put me into runlevel 6 - it puts me at the prompt only
15:47<jrolland>How do I check if the gdm is running?
15:47<jrolland>aptitude?
15:47<Rik_>ps -ef | grep gdm
15:48<Rik_>runlevel 6 means reboot the system. Debian starts in runlevel 2 by default
15:48<Rik_>if /etc/init.d/gdm exists, try running "/etc/init.d/gdm start"
15:49<jrolland>OK, gdm wasn't running, I installed it with apritude
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15:49<Rik_>it's possible you were not using gdm, but for example xdm or kdm
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15:50<jrolland>No, I was using gdm, but the power outage f'ed up nautilus, and nautilus and gdm and a few hundred other things got uninstalled by aptitude
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15:50<jrolland>I was trying to reinstall nautilus, not I'm in trouble
15:51<Rik_>ouch
15:51<jrolland>You see what I'm saying :P
15:52<Rik_>yes
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15:52<Rik_>you'll have to reinstall all the packages then
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15:53<Rik_>don't you have ext3 filesystems? They should cope with power failures quite well
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15:54<jrolland>I think I have ext3; was there some update to Nautilus in System Update today?
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15:54<Rik_>don't know. unstable had gnome 2.20 recently, so that could be it. are you running unstable?
15:55<jrolland>no, etch
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15:55<Rik_>don't think they had a nautilus update recently
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15:57<jrolland>Nautilus has a "Bonobo" error
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15:57<jrolland>What do I do?
15:57<Rik_>what is the exact error message
15:57<jrolland>Error 3
15:57<jrolland>Give me a second
15:58<Rik_>are all the packages reinstalled?
15:58<jrolland>Yes, this is the error that made me uninstall
15:59<jrolland>"System exception: IDL:orng.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1/0
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15:59<jrolland>eoor form Bonobo when attempting to locate thefactory.Killing bonobo-activation-server
16:00<Rik_>maybe same error as described on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35082 ?
16:00<Rik_>is your clock still OK?
16:01<Guest2020>wrfdwfdc
16:01<ifvoid>Guest2020: ?
16:01<jrolland>Yes that is the problem
16:01<jrolland>Now I just need to get to the prompt
16:02<Rik_>ctrl-alt-f1
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16:02<Guest2020>good evening
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16:03<memphis>hi
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16:03<tq|Memphis>sa
16:03<memphis>echo
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16:04<tq|Memphis>now the problem is that in this account i connected with xchat
16:04<tq|Memphis>i saw memphis there but
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16:04<tq|Memphis>in irssi ( memphis )
16:04<tq|Memphis>i'm not able to see someones writings
16:04<tq|Memphis>any solution?
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16:04<fxiny>a silver bullet ?
16:05<tq|Memphis>more clarify pls fxiny :/
16:05<jrolland>OK, stupid question: how do I set the clock from the terminal as su (I am logged in AS su)
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16:06<Guest2020>no problem
16:06<ttf>hi.. is there a way to get a confirmation for the packages to install when using /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends to install build-deps?
16:06<memphis>quit
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16:07<ttf>afair it just installs the packages without confirmation from the user
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16:08<qq>jrolland: date --help
16:08<jrolland>help?
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16:08<fxiny>!setting time
16:08<dpkg>from memory, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ...
16:09<fxiny>damn is not that one
16:09<tq|Memphis>:)
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16:10<jrolland>OK, got it
16:10<tq|Memphis>!irssi
16:10<dpkg>rumour has it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch
16:10<jrolland>Let's see if this works
16:10<tq|Memphis>fxiny there is any text about irssi on linux
16:11<fxiny>man hwclock
16:11<fxiny>tq|Memphis: irssi home page ?
16:11<fxiny>plenty of
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16:12<tq|Memphis>no i have problem when i connected irssi from terminal
16:12<george>?
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16:13<tq|Memphis>i'm not able to see people msg's when i connected irssi from terminal
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16:13<fxiny>tq|Memphis: read the faq , quickstart , guide for lazy , a glimpse to ...
16:13<fxiny>anything goes :P
16:13<memphis>for example i can write something and i see my msg's on xchat
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16:14<memphis>but @ terminal/irssi i cant see anything
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16:14<fxiny>tq|Memphis: thats' because your configs are too basic : read commands then save layout
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16:15<tq|Memphis>oke fxiny did u see memphis private msg?
16:15<tq|Memphis> [22:15] [memphis(+i)] [2:#debian(+clnt 323)] [Act: 1,3]
16:15<azeem>tq|Memphis: you're not supposed to send /msgs
16:15<tq|Memphis>k
16:16<marco_>hi
16:16<fxiny>tq|Memphis: you calling "hi" a message ? :P
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16:17<marco_>where can I find a good shell scripting guide?
16:17<Guest2020>my god
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16:17<marco_>I want to try it on my Ubuntu
16:17<azeem>!ubuntu
16:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:18<marco_>tnx
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16:25<oddchild>hello all, my laptop does not notice when I plug things in the USB unless I do it before i turn it on. I recently bought a USB hard drive, it works for 30 minutes then shuts off (while doing things or not) then I cannot plug it back in... Any ideas?
16:26<SeveredCross>Hey, someone else having USB problems.
16:26<SeveredCross>My devices just don't work with EHCI.
16:26<oddchild>what is EHCI?
16:26<SeveredCross>Extended Host Controller Interface IIRC.
16:26<oddchild>ah okay
16:26<SeveredCross>s/Extended/Enhances
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16:36<oddchild>hello all, my laptop does not notice when I plug things in the USB unless I do it before i turn it on. I recently bought a USB hard drive, it works for 30 minutes then shuts off (while doing things or not) then I cannot plug it back in... Any ideas?
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16:50<ZK>heelo
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16:51<tq|Memphis>ZK hi
16:51<ZK>hi =)
16:52<tq|Memphis>how are you :p
16:53<ZK>im Antonio Gurza the zerial killer
16:53<ZK>jajajaja
16:54<tq|Memphis>for .rar files what program opening it in gnome ?(sabotaging english sorry)
16:54<ZK>and you are ?
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16:54<tq|Memphis>i'm a student no more private :p
16:54<petemc>tq|Memphis: file-roller , tho i prefer to use the command line unrar
16:54<petemc>or unrar-nonfree
16:54<avu>(which file-roller also uses)
16:55<tq|Memphis>oki-doki
16:55<avu>ergo if you have file-roller but not unrar installed, it won't work
16:55<petemc>ive seen file-roller choke on larger files that using unrar directly hanles
16:55<ZK>hmm ?
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16:56<tq|Memphis>comix sux?
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16:58<tq|Memphis>avu what is the terminal command for extraxt
16:58<avu>unrar x <rarfile>
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16:59<tq|Memphis>command not found :/
16:59<avu>well then install it :)
16:59<tq|Memphis>i thought i done lets check again :p
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17:02<Pashtet>hello
17:02<tq|Memphis>done :)
17:02<tq|Memphis>Pashtet: hi
17:03<Pashtet>hi hi
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17:03<Pashtet>:)
17:03<Pashtet>tq|Memphis, What country the channel?
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17:04<Pashtet>!op
17:04<Pashtet>!help
17:05<Admin>hey ppl is there a way to put fglrx module in source makefile of 2.6.24.3 kernel so i dont have to do lots of work later?
17:05<pcdoktor>help
17:05<tq|Memphis>!Pashtet what you mean?
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17:05<Pashtet>tq|Memphis, )
17:05<tq|Memphis>avu: x not worked but with "e" is oke
17:06<dlx>hi! I'm using autofs to mount a nfs share. I'm using the following options: rw,soft,intr. If I shut down the nfs server and try to access the automounted directories it just fails gracefully, which is what I want. But if the mountpoint is the current directory any command just hangs even after I restart the nfs server and it's not mounted again. I can't even restart the autofs daemon after that. Is there any way to handle this gracefull
17:06<dlx>y?
17:06<tq|Memphis>i learned NEW COMMAND yupi
17:06*Pashtet Pla¢: T2 feat. Jodie Aysha - Heartbroken (Extended Mix) [St¢le: UK Garage] [Time: 06:39]
17:06<Admin>anybody?
17:06<Pashtet>PEOPLE!!!
17:06<tq|Memphis>dont use caps azeem doesnt like ..
17:07<Pashtet>GO TOO THE FUCK
17:07<Pashtet>))))))))))
17:07<pcdoktor>i was trying to update using apt-get and ran out of space on drive I tried to use apt-get to install LVM but it continues to try to load the upgrade pkgs is ther a way to fix this?
17:07<azeem>Pashtet: do you have a Debian question?
17:08<Pashtet>)))
17:08<Pashtet>íóû
17:08<Pashtet>yes
17:08<azeem>so?
17:08<Pashtet>azeem, You well suck?
17:08<tq|Memphis>just /ignore..
17:08-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
17:08-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@l64-94-252.cn.ru] by azeem
17:08-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
17:08<azeem>Pashtet: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic
17:09<azeem>Pashtet: please try to be less noise and more signal in the future, thanks
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17:09<tq|Memphis>t.t
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17:10<Admin>i guess i will have to do it after kernel install with module-assistant
17:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 330] by debhelper
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17:12<_ZeuZ_>guys, what arch are the Centrino(Core 2 Duo) ? X86_64 right=
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17:15<tq|Memphis>gn all
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17:15<pcdoktor>j
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17:16<uruclef>hi
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17:17<chealer>_ZeuZ_: right
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17:17<pcdoktor>debhelper:
17:17<chealer>_ZeuZ_: actually, not Centrino in general, but Core 2 is.
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17:19-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
17:19-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
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17:21<pcdoktor99>apt-get problem
17:21<Maulkin>What problem?
17:22<_ZeuZ_>Intel Mobile 945 has a propietary driver?
17:22<pcdoktor99>i was trying to update new install with apt-get the disk ran out of space how do i kill the rest orf the jobs left in the queue?
17:22<Maulkin>run apt-get update again
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17:23<pcdoktor99>i did that i wanted to instal LVM pkg to add additional disk but apt-get still trys to load the other pkgs
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17:29<pcdoktor99>I have unmet dependencies when i install a package this was caused by the drive running out of space I have run apt-get update but still get error I have also tried apt-get -f install as well
17:30<pcdoktor99>how can i clear out the list of pkgs to be installed where is the list of pkgs to be installed stored?
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17:46<panagos>is there a guide for using boost under debian? or, can i use the instructions from http://www.boost.org/, and with what changes? because in that site it says that their instructions might be inapplicable for distros other that the one from sf.net
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17:48<Engywuck>just try it ^^
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17:51<panagos>there are presumably some examples supplied with the package, which are placed under /usr/share/doc/, and which contain hard-coded paths (e.g. in makefiles), so i can't use them unless i'm root!
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17:54<Spee_Der>Good evening folks, glad to be home at last.
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18:01<Kokon>hi some idea how to use X11-Forwarding without ssh?
18:03<RedProphet>why would you want to?
18:05<Kokon>trying how the performance is without ssh. Just a test in a local network.
18:05<RedProphet>ssh is encrypted telnet
18:05<RedProphet>and i suggest not unencrypting it
18:05<RedProphet>most of the performance comes from the server
18:06<Kokon>i know... i just want to test how is the diference...
18:06<RedProphet>i dont think you can
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18:06<Kokon>k thx... hmm...
18:06<Engywuck>can you forward via rsh?
18:07<Engywuck>or try an encryption that is low on CPU
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18:08<Engywuck>try adding "-c des"
18:08<Kokon>k couse some apps will slow down ssh...
18:08<Engywuck>strongly disencouraged for normal use due to being so insecure, but for testing purposes in a LAN with controllable users.....
18:09<Kokon>thx for helping :)
18:10<Engywuck>if a top on the server shows a load under 1 while forwarding X then it's not the bottleneck :)
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18:29<Kokon>back... i'am trying to split application to each computer ,such older on p3 amd duron...
18:29<Kokon>it is nicer if u make some thing that will last the cpu out...
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18:32<_ZeuZ_>Damn Small Linux or Yellow puppy Linux guys? (for a PC with 133mhz and 32mb of ram
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18:33<Uruclef>32mb of ram?
18:33<Uruclef>what do you want to do with that?
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18:34<_ZeuZ_>Serve yourself to read the start of the line ^^
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18:34<_ZeuZ_>Neh, That PC is for offimatic work and maybe chatin-
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18:35<Kokon>linux have tons of software for old computers...
18:36<_ZeuZ_>I'm looking for the better @install and go@ distro
18:36<Kokon>take a debian based one...
18:36<_ZeuZ_>DSL?
18:36<Kokon>http://www.linux.com/feature/52134 and install iceWM it will be comfortable and fast..
18:36<Uruclef>dsl could do the trick
18:36<Uruclef>but
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18:36<_ZeuZ_>Don't know... I;ve heard yellow puppy linux is the best for that on Distrowatch
18:37<craigevil>debian runs just fine on older hardware, just dont use kde/gnome
18:37<Uruclef>I'm not sure a pc like that would run some kind of modern office application or firefox
18:37<philipp>wo ist das paste?
18:37<Kokon>u will finde browser, mail, office special for older computer such as a p486(60 - 90 mhz)
18:37<craigevil>!paste
18:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:40<Kokon>maybe a old xfree86 will be faster than a new x.org, on old hardware?
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18:41<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/51534
18:41<philipp>why i cant copy it?
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18:45<zarchne>What error message is that?
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18:56<thirc>hola
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19:15<philipp>does someone know how i can install only the most important programms?
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19:16<craigevil>and what would the "most important" programs be?
19:16<Engywuck>just install "standard"
19:16<Engywuck>everything else is bonus
19:20<philipp>iceweasle open office an organizer.... but NO game where I play a potato (like my last installation)
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19:23<azeem>philipp: is a graphics mode important?
19:23<azeem>philipp: you could not select any tasks, and then aptitude install xorg iceweasel openoffice.org
19:23<azeem>plus whatever you like
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19:24<chealer>philipp: you can install the desktop task for "important" desktop packages.
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19:36<philipp>chealer how i can do that?
19:37<philipp>chealer i havent found an option where i can do that in the setup
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19:38<douglas>Hello.
19:38<douglas>i'm having a debian issue. I have an Intel Graphic Media Accelerator X3100, and I can't seem to get it to work
19:38<douglas>my max resolution wont go past 1024x768
19:42<lupine>you need 915resolution, IIRC
19:42<lupine>!915resolution
19:42<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, 915resolution is a tool to transiently modify the video BIOS of 8xx and 9xx Intel integrated graphic chipsets, to achieve certain display resolutions in Xorg/XFree86. After installing, read /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian for details. Not required on lenny/testing.
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19:43<douglas>I did it
19:43<douglas>but
19:43<douglas>Intel chipset detected. However, 915resolution was unable to determine the chipset type.
19:43<douglas>Chipset Id: 2a008086
19:44<douglas>@ lupine
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19:46<lupine>Never used it
19:47<lupine>if you're feeling brave, you could maybe backport X from lenny
19:47<lupine>wouldn't recommend it though
19:47<ranix>intel graphic media accelerator probably can't handle much outside of 1024x768
19:47<ranix>is it a laptop?
19:47<douglas>yse
19:47<douglas>on Windows I can get 1440x900
19:48<douglas>on Vista no less
19:48<ranix>I have a d915g and I use the kernel framebuffer
19:48<douglas>I'm a beginner
19:48<douglas>so that's like chinese to me
19:48<ranix>my opinion of intel graphics media accelerators can't possibly be lower
19:49<ranix>I would chew nails before getting a laptop with an intel graphic chipset
19:49<douglas>Hah
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19:49<douglas>You knwo what i do on my PC?
19:49<douglas>surf the web, IRC, and SSH
19:49<douglas>that's literally it.
19:49<douglas>no joke
19:49<ranix>that's what I do also
19:49<douglas>nothing more
19:50<douglas>should I just give somethingubuntu a go?
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19:53<chealer>philipp: # aptitude install desktop; I think
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19:53<chealer>douglas: nah. are you sure you use the intel X video driver?
19:53<douglas>i'm not sure
19:54<douglas>what's the package name
19:54<chealer>douglas: xserver-xorg-video-intel
19:54<douglas>E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-intel
19:54<douglas>hahah
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19:55<chealer>douglas: which Debian suite do you use?
19:55<douglas>um
19:55<douglas>i feel dumb
19:55<douglas>what's that mean
19:55<douglas>haha
19:55<freakNusty>I feel numb
19:55<lupine>in other words, etch
19:55<douglas>oh
19:55<chealer>!tell douglas about suite
19:55<douglas>the version.
19:56<douglas>4.0
19:56<chealer>douglas: Debian 4.0 does not properly support X3100.
19:56<douglas>That would do it
19:56<douglas>:P
19:56<douglas>Does an older/newer?
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19:57<weld>anyone having complete keyboard drop out in KDE on testing? starting new KDE session makes keyboard work again in that new KDE session, the old one still fails though
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19:57<chealer>douglas: Debian testing/lenny does.
19:58<douglas>is it semi-stable?
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19:58<freakNusty>whats up fellas
19:58<zhengyi>well, it's between stable and unstable :)
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19:58<douglas>:)
19:58<douglas>Is there a way to upgrade w/o a CD?
19:58<zhengyi>douglas: see the topic?
19:58<chealer>!tell douglas about e2l
19:58<douglas>nope
19:58<douglas>readin
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19:59<freakNusty>lol
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20:00*douglas tests
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20:00<lupine>upgrading is easy, but it's called testing for a reason#
20:00<freakNusty>howdy
20:00<lupine>and you can't downgrade
20:01<freakNusty>downgrade to windows baby
20:01<freakNusty>I love to downgrade
20:01<douglas>:)
20:01<douglas>now whne i run apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade, it will auto install the stuff
20:01<douglas>so my card should work upon reboot?
20:01<freakNusty>should
20:01<freakNusty>lol
20:01<chealer>dpkg: no, etch->lenny is <reply>First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Eedit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.
20:01<dpkg>okay, chealer
20:02<zhengyi>chealer: Eedit?
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20:02<douglas>freakNusty, burning another iso as a backup
20:02<freakNusty>I havnt used xchat in years...how can I display the user list
20:02<chealer>zhengyi: fixed in private
20:03<zhengyi>chealer: k
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20:04<zhengyi>douglas: should go w/o saying, but be sure to drop out of X to do the whole upgrade thing
20:04<douglas>yep
20:04<lupine>well, you don't have to
20:04<zhengyi>douglas: I wasn't thinking when I did mine two days ago, and had parts of the upgrade fail, because hald (I think) wouldn't restart while I was still in Gnome
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20:05<douglas>you're using lenny?
20:05<zhengyi>douglas: sid now, actually
20:05<douglas>i see.
20:05<zhengyi>back to Debian after 3 years
20:05<douglas>i'm gonna have apt download it all, and kill it there
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20:05<zhengyi>flirting w/ Ubuntu and Fedora :P
20:05<douglas>then i'll exit sorg and stuff
20:05<douglas>xorg
20:05<douglas>Fedora is actually pretty nice.
20:05<douglas>(Looking that is)
20:06<zhengyi>yeah, until Pulse
20:06<lupine>except, you know, or the whole rpm thing
20:06<douglas>I prefer .deb
20:06<zhengyi>yum's not all bad anymore... still slower than apt, but not too horrib le
20:06<douglas>I prefer debian based, but fedora looks good.
20:06<douglas>just looks.
20:06<douglas>:P
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20:06<zhengyi>that's a thought: anyone know if Debian's planning on moving to PulseAudio?
20:07<zhengyi>(at some indeterminate point in the future...)
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20:09<lupine>ubuntu is/has? dunno about debian
20:10<zhengyi>I believe Pulse is scheduled to go out w/ 8.04
20:10<zhengyi>I've been using it w/ Fedora 8 now for a little while; not terribly happy with it
20:13<lupine>anything that makes sound easiers is ++ IMO
20:13<zhengyi>lupine: no argument there :)
20:13<lupine>also, I requires 1GB of RAM and a decent graphics card
20:13<zhengyi>lupine: and printing, while we're at it
20:13<lupine>pity I'm not going to get it :D
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20:14<zhengyi>lupine: the issue I've had w/ Pulse on Fedora has been some bizarre, consistent scratchy audio in all my .avis
20:14<zhengyi>not sure if it's some weird latency issue, or what
20:14<oxymor00n>probably the automated porn detector
20:14<zhengyi>heh, nah
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20:14<zhengyi>Bleach and Naruto
20:15<zhengyi>this is the family HTPC :)
20:15<oxymor00n>i'm not quite sure if i should try pulse audio, what does it gain me? alsa works well here
20:15<oxymor00n>other than network transparency
20:15<zhengyi>oxymor00n: frankly, I dunno either
20:16<oxymor00n>ah. so it's another layer because you can't have enough layers :o)
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20:17<lupine>AIUI, pulse is the layer to end all layers
20:17<zhengyi>well, http://packages.debian.org/stable/sound/pulseaudio seems to think it's fairly low latency, and a damned good mixing layer
20:17<oxymor00n>lupine: and in the darkness bind them? it works on top of alsa iirc
20:18<oxymor00n>ah i see
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20:20<lupine>yes, the clever part is that it pretends to be an alsa device
20:21<lupine>as well as all sorts of other things
20:21<lupine>IIRC anway
20:22<douglas>6.5 min left on lenny package dl's
20:23*zhengyi gets the champagne bottle ready
20:24*douglas steals
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20:25<zhengyi>ahh, you can have it: champagne gives me a headache, and it's time to go home anyway
20:25<zhengyi>night all, and good luck on your lenny upgrade
20:25<douglas>i'm 15
20:25<douglas>you don't want to give me champagne
20:25<douglas>:p
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20:26*zhengyi waggles a disapproving finger at douglas
20:26<douglas>:)
20:26<douglas>Good night, zhengyi
20:26<zhengyi>night
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20:27<oxymor00n>hm how could i break my system..
20:28<douglas>too much porn
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20:28<douglas><bqscott> BIND is easier than a drunk blonde in biker bar
20:28<douglas>Gahah.
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20:30<t>can anyone tell me how to fix unmet dependancy problems with apt?
20:31<t>when trying to install something after a dist-upgrade i get these vague errors
20:31<t>You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
20:31<t>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
20:31<t> arping: Depends: libnet1 (>= 1.1.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
20:31<t> Depends: libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.3-1) but it is not going to be installed
20:31<t> evince: Depends: libdjvulibre21 (>= 3.5.20) but it is not going to be installed
20:31-!-t was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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20:31<t>whoops
20:31<t>sorry
20:31<t>anway i try the apt-get -f install
20:32<t>and it fails too
20:32<hoopy>has anybody figured out how to get cacaview to dump to a txt file?
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20:32<t>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libdjvulibre21_3.5.20-5_amd64.deb (--unpack):
20:32<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
20:32<t>trying to overwrite `/usr/share/djvu/osi/cs/messages.xml', which is also in package libdjvulibre15
20:32<t>dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
20:32<Seb>t: you are running sid
20:32<t>yeah
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20:32<Seb>t: have you searched the bts ?
20:33<t>sorry, bts?
20:33<Seb>Bug Tracking System
20:33<t>negative
20:33<Seb>you're running the unstable branch of debian, what exactly do you expect by blindly upgrading ?
20:33<t>lol
20:33<t>i never said i didnt expect it
20:33<oxymor00n>t: dpkg -r libdjvulibre15
20:34<t>thank you oxymor00n
20:34<oxymor00n>and then aptitude -f install
20:34<Seb>ain't funny, though. Whoever runs sid could at least have the decency to check the BTS for known bugs before asking in here...
20:34<oxymor00n>Seb: i'm in carebear-mode
20:35<Seb>oxymor00n: i can see that :)
20:35<t>i tried dpkg --purge on the lib, and it failed, so thanks for the dpkg -r
20:35<Seb>oxymor00n: sometimes i do miss mwilson
20:35<t>and thanks for incrementing my ignore list seb
20:35<Seb>not that often, but sometimes
20:36<oxymor00n>Seb: i don't know him...
20:36<Seb>t: oh yeah, sure thing
20:36<Seb>oxymor00n: he used to be the rudest person in #debian, a couple of years ago. But sometimes he did have a point
20:37<oxymor00n>heh
20:37<Seb>oxymor00n: i didn't agree with his manners, but the essence of what he was saying made sense, more often than not
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20:37<hoopy>so are you trying to balance his style with just the right amount of dick-headedness?
20:37<Seb>oxymor00n: like in this case, widely known as "people running sid, that can't be bothered to search for known bugs"
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20:38<t>if i could be arsed searching for known bugs i wouldnt run deb, i would run a source based os like gentoo
20:38<oxymor00n>Seb: since it is fairly obvious what's going on you don't even have to search. anyway it doesn't help discussing this.
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20:39<Seb>oxymor00n: agreed
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20:41<Engywuck>if someone is running a version called *unstable* (for a reason) s/he should be able to use bugtracking
20:42<Engywuck>use stable if you aren't willing to do so
20:42<Engywuck>or at least testing
20:42<oxymor00n>testing is even more broken than sid sometimes. my opinion is you should only use it when you know what you're doing
20:43<Seb>distros using binary packages are pretty much free of bugs anyway, I've just learnt that heh
20:43*hoopy is using testing
20:43<Engywuck>well, at least *most* of the Bugs get ironed out in the 10 days waiting period before going to testing
20:43<hoopy>went from etch to lenny a few days ago
20:43<oxymor00n>OTOH i started with debian woody and upgraded to sid pretty soon. but i didn't ask on irc :)
20:44<Engywuck>i tend to use stable whenever possible
20:44<oxymor00n>Engywuck: yeah, but sometimes because of this half of say, gnome, goes in, the rest not, and so on
20:44<Seb>oxymor00n: that's called decency, and not everyone has it :)
20:44<hoopy>i used the instructions i got form dpkg... look at the topic
20:44<Engywuck>sometimes with bpo support though :)
20:44<Engywuck>but my new laptop has only support for testing ;-)
20:45<oxymor00n>Seb: heh. with woody it was more fun though. X usually didn't work out of the box, so i sat in front of a command line with zero knowledge about linux, bash, or anything :-) good old times
20:45<Engywuck>btw: i heard gcc-4.3 breaks the kernel and some other packages, is that true?
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20:45<Engywuck>hehe
20:45<oxymor00n>it exposes a but in the kernel, but doesn't break it
20:46<Seb>oxymor00n: yeah, I started around potato, X was defnitely not a guarantee at that time :D
20:46<Engywuck>you don't have lived if you didn't forge a X modeline by hand
20:46<oxymor00n>due to some changes it breaks some c++ packages, but i think most of it has been ironed out already, tbm started filing bugs a while ago
20:46<Seb>Engywuck: heh
20:46<Engywuck>manually adjusting until the screen stays stable
20:47<Engywuck>on a fixed frequency 19" display with 1024x1024 pixels so no found line matches
20:47<Engywuck>i ended with patching the kernel :)
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20:47<Engywuck>so fbset worked for that old workstation monito
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20:48<Engywuck>oh, and the only connection out being a fdd that ate the fdds i put into it - could read from them, but afterwards they were blank
20:48<Engywuck>good old times
20:48<Engywuck>:)
20:48<Engywuck>thx oxymor00n
20:49<Engywuck>btw: is lfs still around?
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20:49<Engywuck>(linux from scratch)
20:49<oxymor00n>the bdsm-linux you mean? :-)
20:49<Engywuck>hehe
20:49<Seb>it's got replaced by gentoo
20:49<Seb>more advanced torture
20:49<Engywuck>i remember helping a friend setting it up
20:49<Seb>s/it's got/it go/
20:50<Seb>it got*, dang, can't type
20:50<Engywuck>rpm support needed an old obscure library
20:50<Engywuck>that was only available as rpm package...
20:50<Engywuck>gentoo is too high level
20:50<Engywuck>:)
20:50<Seb>heh
20:50<Engywuck>at least since they stopped Stage 1
20:50<oxymor00n>arch is the new cool dor^Wkid in town i guess
20:50<Engywuck>manually typing all startup scripts rulez ;-)
20:51<oxymor00n>what the gentoo-guys are actually great at is maintaining their wiki
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20:51<Engywuck>yep
20:51<Engywuck>used it quite a lot
20:51<Engywuck>ubuntus is relatively nice, too
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20:53<Engywuck>ah, i like semi-translated messages
20:53<Engywuck>e2fsck -D just said "Adding dirhash hint to Dateisystem"
20:53<oxymor00n>somebody set up us the bomb
20:53<Engywuck>we have signal
20:54<oxymor00n>yeah the first thing i do on a fresh system is set LC_MESSAGES to C, the german translation is most of the times not very good IMHO
20:55<Engywuck>it's quite good actually
20:55<Engywuck>but i just hate semi-translated files
20:55<oxymor00n>yeah. anyway time for bed, 2am already. good night all!
20:56<Engywuck>nope, only 1:56 :)
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21:00<dave_>hello all
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21:08<AleFranz>what is now the preferred packaging tool to use?
21:09<Maulkin>!nm guide
21:09<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper
21:09<chealer>AleFranz: the recommended package manager/APT front-end? there isn't one.
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21:11<AleFranz>ok -.- I thought aptitude.
21:11<Nemoder>I hear aptitude suggested more frequently although I still prefer dselect myself
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21:12<kop>chealer : IIRC the etch release notes recommended aptitude & synaptic.
21:13<AleFranz>so synaptic can be a good tool?
21:13<Maulkin>It can be, yes
21:13<kop>Oops, but those are package managers, not packagers.
21:14<kop>(Using packages, rather than making them.)
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21:15<drambuie>hey all, starting out using using e17, with entrace as the display manager. anyone know whereabouts i should stick xscreensaver so it will start on login?
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21:20<railfancody>what is this?
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21:21<narizz>hey
21:21<narizz>i search a tutorial for customize my debian installation
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21:23<narizz>i like create my owner CDD
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21:24<Maulkin>!cdd
21:24<dpkg>Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD
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21:27<narizz>dpkg, i look this
21:27<narizz>the
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21:27<narizz>thx
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21:28<pyrohotdog>I'm currently using garnome to build gnome-2.22, when it's done, what steps do I take to remove the apt-get installed gnome, and preserve my settings?
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21:32<bighornram>Does anyone know if the 32 bit flash plugin still needs to be used in sid amd64?
21:33<AleFranz>there is a debian cd that can help me repairing grub?
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21:36<AleFranz>I don't need it anymore... solved using installation CD and quickly go to install grub step ignoring errors.
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21:37<chealer>kop: I don't think they do. but they could very well do that :)
21:37<heywood>!ping
21:37<dpkg>pong
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21:39<Nemoder>bighornram: there is no 64bit flash player from adobe, you'll have to use nspluginwrapper for the 32bit one, a chroot, or just use gnash instead
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21:40<bighornram>didn't know if the iceweasel in sid amd64 was ported or not.
21:40<bighornram>it installed in sid when i did the install
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21:40<bighornram>along with openoffice
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21:40<Nemoder>the browsers are 64bit, just not the flash plugin
21:40<shivraj>why is every program ripping files to .ogg and not .mp3 ?
21:41<shivraj>I have sound streamer and grip ... which one uses lame ?
21:41<Nemoder>you can configure grip to use either one
21:41<amphi>shivraj: grip is just a gui FE - it'll use whatever you tell it
21:42<bighornram>Nemoder: so I still do the nspluginwrapper for flash to run. ;)
21:42<Nemoder>for adobe's flash yes
21:42<bighornram>amd64-nice ;)
21:43<Nemoder>at least until adobe releases a 64bit version (ha) or the source for it (haha)
21:43<shivraj>I see ........ sound streamer is not working though :-)
21:43<shivraj>I need to encode some cds that wont play in cd but will rip
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21:45<bighornram>haven't got to streamer yet, got moneydance running by installing to my home directory and then copying it as root to /usr/share. executing the installation sh as root couldn't see java.
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21:53<shivraj>ubuntu has a good selection of apps that are installed by default, but besides that it really sucks ....,
21:53<shivraj>debian has good apps if you do desktop installation
21:53<amphi>shivraj: it does if you don't, too ;)
21:53<shivraj>hehe
21:54<shivraj>yeah thats what I did , I install apps as I need them
21:54<ranix>I would argue it has a better selection of applications if you do not install desktop
21:54<shivraj>really ... that ubuntu mumbo jumbo is bs, thats not hardcore linux
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21:55<ranix>you might be lost shivraj
21:55<ranix>gentoo is that way -->
21:55<shivraj>hehe I know ... but I dont want to create my own distro .. useless
21:56<amphi>oh, ghod, no, not another distro
21:56<weld>anyone having complete keyboard drop out in KDE on testing? starting new KDE session makes keyboard work again in that new KDE session, in the old one it still fails though
21:56<ranix>I don't think KDE has anything to do with your keyboard
21:56<shivraj>I can barely use Debian with all of the stuff
21:57<shivraj>I dont know why everyone doesnt embrace Debian ....... and concentrate on making good apps
21:57<weld>ranix: in tty keyboard is working
21:57<shivraj>not another distro
21:57<ranix>maybe you have something strange in your session file
21:58<weld>ranix: this drop out appears after some time.. i didn't find any wy to reproduce it so far
21:59<ranix>usb keyboard, ps2, or other?
21:59<weld>ranix: laptop
21:59<ranix>does it happen during active use or when you go away and come back
21:59<weld>ranix: during active use
22:00<ranix>got me. Try googling for keyboard problems in X with that particular laptop
22:00<ranix>maybe try temporarily switching to windowmaker or fluxbox and see if it still happens
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22:01<Engywuck>perhaps some weird X problem?
22:01<weld>ranix: i can have tow KDE sessions running and in one it's working and in the other one it is not - so can it be X related?
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22:01<weld>*two
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22:06<Pain>hi
22:07<ranix>weld: it's more likely to be x related than kde related
22:07<Pain>yepp
22:08<weld>ranix: ok thank you. i'll search in that direction :)
22:08<ranix>k, sorry I can't be much help
22:09<Engywuck>that's why you should test fvwm2 or fluxbox or... to see if it happens there too
22:09<Engywuck>if yes --> X related
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22:18<vsmatck>http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-590017.html I got this problem on etch. I can't find any workaround for it. When I hibernate my laptop with the power plugged in, and then resume with the power unplugged my laptop goes to the desktop and then immediately hibernates again. I can resume it after that and it works claim there was a hal failure.
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22:28<Engywuck>hrmpf
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22:28<Engywuck>my debian hangs now at boot
22:28<Engywuck>Waiting for /dev to become fully populated....
22:34<ranix>delicious barbecue
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22:44<stond>can someone please tell me what to type in terminal to make /media/disk-1 from read onlt to read and write I can not delete, create or move files or folders from my Sony PSP
22:46<stond>can someone please tell me what to type in terminal to make /media/disk-1 from read onlt to read and write I can not delete, create or move files or folders from my Sony PSP
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22:49<stond>can someone please tell me what to type in terminal to make /media/disk-1 from read onlt to read and write I can not delete, create or move files or folders from my Sony PSP
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22:49<dondelelcaro>stond: stop repeating, and mount that filesystem rw
22:50<stond>how I dont know what to type in order to do that
22:50<dondelelcaro>mount -o remount,rw /path/to/filesystem
22:51<stond>thank you so much
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23:06<stond> can someone please tell me what to type in terminal to make /media/disk-1 from read onlt to read and write I can not delete, create or move files or folders from my Sony PSP
23:06<dondelelcaro>so mount -o remount,rw /path/to/filesystem
23:07<dondelelcaro>if that doesn't work, then the filesystem doesn't support being mounted read write, and you need to figure out what media it is, and deal with it.
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23:16<stond>does anyony know what file type Sony PSP is
23:17<stond>does anyony know what file type Sony PSP is
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23:19<stond>does anyony know what file type Sony PSP is
23:19<weld>stond: repeating is useless
23:19<stond>I just want an answer
23:19<stond>Pleasw
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23:20<stond>please
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23:21<dondelelcaro>if no one answers, no one knows (or no one cares)
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23:22<stond>does anyony know what file type Sony PSP is
23:24<chealer>stond: Sony PSP is not a file type.
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23:26<stond>chealercan you tell me what to type in terminal to mount it a read and write instead of read only
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23:32<sime>somebody can test samba with me...
23:32<sime>to print something
23:32<sime>?
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23:35<hoopy>awww... bitchx. how cute!
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23:42<pain>!nvidia
23:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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