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00:11<alaya_>xmms amd64 unstable anyone?
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00:19<bighornram>does anyone know where to find the "" file for firehol?
00:20<alaya_>bighornram: install apt-file and search for it
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00:28<alaya_>what can i do to change xorg drive to fglrx ? aticonfig --initial doesn't like the new debian Xorg.conf format
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00:34<bighornram>alaya: I think that file is somewhere in the install. what is command to search my machine for the file?
00:36<alaya_>bighornram: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <filename>
00:37<bighornram>got it ;)
00:37<alaya_>or search at
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00:38<bighornram>in the debian install the file is only called get-iana, not as docs say
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00:39<acu>which is the easiest mail server to install which allows administration and normal users to access their email from web interface ?
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00:42<zhengyi>acu: there's no such thing... you need to look at installing (separately): an SMTP server, an IMAP server, a webmail package, and an admin package
00:42<zhengyi>acu: personally? SMTP: postfix; IMAP: dovecot; webmail: squirrelmail
00:43<zhengyi>acu: and I dunno what you'd do about admin; vim has always worked for me
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00:43<acu>zhengyi: seem that you know what you are talking about - that's so great - I was always confused (since I used only to install Microsoft Exchange Server which had everything in one)
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00:53<acu>zhengyi: thanks a lot, it is very helpful and to the point what you told me
00:54<acu>zhengyi: do you have any recomandation for partioning scheme - I want to setup a webserver and mail server on Debian - have 2GB RAM and 360 GB HDD
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01:13<Engy>if ypou have a mailserver I'd recommend an extra partition for the mail stuff
01:13<Engy>that's in /var, right?
01:14<alaya_>ilohamail is also cool for webmail
01:14<Engy>and perhaps some quota for your mail users....
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01:17<alaya_>oh my gosh the weirdest thing is happening with vim
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01:17<alaya_>i go to edit a debian/control file and it gives me some weird listing instead of the file
01:17<alaya_>+-- 7 lines: nbsmtp-cvs --
01:18<alaya_>+-- 11 lines: [any] nbsmtp-cvs:
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01:21<alaya_>ok, if i hit enter on each one of those it displays the section. must be some weird syntax feature of vim
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01:31<bebin>is it possible to install vmware player and vmware server in a same operating system
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01:37<mamour>bebin I don't know but you're going to find out and tell us how it goes
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01:43<keith>Debian4.0. I have successfully networked my 3 Debian computers and now I want to know which file(s) to configure so that the network automatically starts up starting the computers.
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01:45<keith>Debian4. That should read 'after starting the computers. 'At present I have to use ifconfig.
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01:46<Killing_Frost>Can anyone recommend a good, Debian compatible flatbed scanner?
01:46<dpkg>methinks sane is Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or and #sane at
01:46<dondelelcaro>Killing_Frost: the website above has the list with commentary
01:46<Killing_Frost>Thank you.
01:47<dondelelcaro>Killing_Frost: unless you're doing something special with the scanner, I'd personally get the cheapest usb scanner that works with sane
01:47<Killing_Frost>I'm blind. Need it for OCR.
01:47<bebin>mamour: after installing the vmware server i installed the vmware player when i opened the vmware server it didnt start
01:48<mamour>bebin did you download the restricted kernel module for vmware server ?
01:48<Killing_Frost>If it can do 1200 dpi, I'll be happy.
01:48<mamour>bebin if you have vmserver, can that also provide the same functionality as vmware player ?
01:50<bebin>mamour: dont know i use 2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel
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01:50<dondelelcaro>Killing_Frost: ah; for OCR, pretty much anything will work, though then it's really a question of what you're scanning, and the volume.
01:51<Requiem>What kind of problems am I going to have with Debian on notebooks?
01:51<mamour>bebin what happens when you try to start vmware server? Are there any error messages ?
01:51<dondelelcaro>Killing_Frost: I don't think anyone makes scanners that do less than 1200dpi any more (and for OCR, color registration isn't such a big deal)
01:52<bebin>mamour : yep it shows Could not launch menu item Details: Failed to execute child process "vmware" (No such file or directory)
01:52<mamour>bebin I assume you have already conducted an internet search for this error message
01:53<Killing_Frost>It would be nice if it can read my mail, and the occasional paperback. Wating for stuff to come out at the talking book library can take years. <grins>
01:53<Killing_Frost>Waiting even.
01:54<bebin>mamour : yes
01:54<mamour>bebin did you find any options to try and fix this ?
01:54<mamour>bebin via your internet search ?
01:55<bebin>mamour: everything in the internet is confusing can you help me out
01:56<mamour>bebin not right now I'm busy with other things
01:56<bebin>mamour: ok
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02:00<Killing_Frost>Requiem: Depends on the notebook's hardware. If it's a Dell, the installation recomments adding certain parameters to work around their quirks. All in all Debian is one of the best setups for laptops if the video/audio is supported by the kernel.
02:01<Requiem>and intel video, requires an extra package or xorg.conf edits for the 945 iirc
02:01<mamour>question for you
02:02<mamour>u like stinky feet ?
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02:02<Killing_Frost>Requiem: I would recommend the HCL (hardware compatability List) at the Linux Documentation Project website.
02:03<Requiem>eh, if it doesn't work it doesn't work
02:03<Killing_Frost>Check it out to see if your laptop's listed, or what problems you'll encounter.
02:03<Requiem>there's at *least* five peices of malware on the current windows install, so one way or another it's getting a format
02:03<mamour>Killing_Frost, question for you
02:04<chealer>mamour: please don't start this again
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02:05<mamour>friends ok ?
02:05<mamour>f u = friend u
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02:06<mamour>f u
02:06<mamour>f u = friend u
02:06<mamour>ok ?
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02:07<chealer>Requiem: since you're more likely to have a camera, a wireless card and special multimedia/power saving/etc keys, you're more likely to have unsupported hardware. you may find it harder to use an external monitor intermitently.
02:07<Killing_Frost>Requiem: If Linux doesn't work, you can always reinstall Windows. and stay away from windows updates. Windows lasts longer that way.
02:08<imperia>guys if i create bridge between 2 network devices and set mtu after that for the bridge interface.. this mtu affects both devices that are bridged, right?
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02:10<mamour>f u
02:10<mamour>ok ?
02:10<mamour>f u = friend u
02:11<chealer>Killing_Frost: not using Windows Update sounds like bad advice - though this is not the channel for Windows advice. and the best thing to do would certainly be setting up a Windows/Debian dual boot.
02:12<Requiem>speaking as a network technician, no windows updates=very fast track to offline system
02:13<Requiem>*windows technician
02:13*Killing_Frost shrugs, having run Win95 for five years without a crash, then installed IE6 amd crashed that same night.
02:13<mamour>that's not true Requiem
02:13<mamour>if you don't connect the machine to the network it should operate just fine
02:14<mamour>yeah don't go around telling people lies
02:14<Requiem>Killing_Frost: Yes well, the optional updates are optional for a reason
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02:14<Killing_Frost>Sorry. Guess I'm just one of those "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" guys.
02:15<Requiem>security updates are a little different
02:15<Requiem>though yeah, at least with XP right now, other updates are probvably best avoided
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02:17<Killing_Frost>Well, at least Linux got me back on IRC. Nice being able to chat again after four years.
02:17<mamour>Killing_Frost, were you in jail
02:17<Killing_Frost>No. I'm stuck in the boonies and blind.
02:18<mamour>Killing_Frost, how did you go blind
02:18<mamour>Killing_Frost, did you assault a woman and she maced you in the eyes
02:18<mamour>Killing_Frost, how did you get diabetes?
02:19<Killing_Frost>Prolly by drinking way too much soda.
02:19<mamour>Killing_Frost, are you using a brail keyboard ?
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02:20<Killing_Frost>No. Running just a SpeakUP modified kernal with a lite-talk voice synthesizer.
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02:21<Requiem>Question, how would you compare speakup to whatever you use for windows?
02:21<mamour>Killing_Frost, are you a developer ?
02:23<Killing_Frost>Since I can barely use windows with the free NVDA screen reader, SpeakUP is far more functional. I don't have to save mail to a file, edit it, then cut and paste it back into Thunderbird in Windows. Mutt werks great.
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02:24<Killing_Frost>No, I'm not a developer. Still a relative newbie in linux.
02:24<mamour>Killing_Frost, what got you into Debian ?
02:24<Requiem>Didn't MS admit the free screen reader is only really good for installing a commercial one?
02:27<Killing_Frost>The commercial screen reader (JAWS) crashed and won't let me reinstall it. NVDA is the only thing I'm willing to use because I hate the 30 min time limit on Win-Eyes, and I was jusing debian back in 2003 before I went blind.
02:27<alaya_>ugh fglrx libGL diversions causing build failure for xmms...
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02:29<Requiem>xmms is twitchy as hell lately
02:30<alaya_>well its non-existant under unstable amd64, which is why i'm attempting to forward-port it
02:30<Requiem>good luck
02:30<Killing_Frost>Until I get out of the boonies and to classes to qualify for a screen reader program, they're not gonna help, so all I have access to is the windows demo stuff. I prefer Linux anyway. SpeakUP werks from startup to shutdown and gives access to it all.
02:30<Requiem>took me a week to forward port just one plugin
02:30<alaya_>will temporarily remove fglrx stuff
02:31<alaya_>actually just fglrx-glx
02:32<Requiem>Frost: one thing I should warn you about speakup, it only works with certain kernels, avoid building your own or updating if you can.
02:32<alaya_>its fun watching all this compilation output whiz by. makes me feel like i'm using gentoo or something
02:32<Killing_Frost>Yeah, I'm on the speakup mailing list and the debian-accessability list, so...
02:33*Requiem nods
02:33<Requiem>have a freind who gets hit by it every so often
02:34<Killing_Frost>Once they get orcaand Lenny setup and stable, I'll port over to that and have firefox access again.
02:34<alaya_>is there some app that will read irc?
02:35<alaya_>instead of colored nicks, can use different sounding voices?
02:36<Requiem>what is orcaand?
02:36<Killing_Frost>Orca is the gnome screen reader for the GUI.
02:36<Killing_Frost>It's in Lenny's gnome-orca package.
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02:38<Killing_Frost>I dunno if emacspeak is versatile enough to switch voices on the fly yet from iRC. Would take some programming, and there's only like, 9 voices, I think.
02:39<Killing_Frost>Maybe with IBM's ttsynth speech synthesizer.
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02:42<alaya_>what about emoticons?
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02:43<Killing_Frost>I'm not configged to hear most punctuation, or else ;p would just be "semi pee."
02:45<Killing_Frost>I'm just set up to hear $/<> and \.
02:46<Killing_Frost>Oops. Make that just $ and /.
02:46<Requiem>Emoticons and screen readers are frustrating as hell (insert frowny dace you wouldn't be able to understand otherwise here)
02:47<alaya_>colon hyphen right-paren
02:47<Killing_Frost>Heh. Try navigating a web page by tabbing thru every link until you find the one you want, hitting enter, and then starting the process all over again after the next page loads. <grins>
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02:48<dondelelcaro>it's amazing how many webpages aren't designed with the blind in mind
02:49<alaya_>are you kidding? its amazng how many don't work in my regular browser because they were designed for IE
02:49<Killing_Frost>It's a real britch now being able to more effectively use that mouse.
02:49<Killing_Frost>not even.
02:49<dondelelcaro>Killing_Frost: yeah; there are some things like hit-a-hint which may be useful.
02:50<alaya_>so xmms compiled by the way, but is totally buggy
02:50<acu>dondelelcaro: it is even more amazing how many webpages aren't designe with anyone in mind :)
02:50<Killing_Frost>No biggie. They usually have shortcut keys to navigate by headers, forms, lists, edit boxes, etc.
02:50<Requiem>I've done the no mouse thing, iirc there's a key combo that does a reverse tab
02:51<Requiem>also, supposedly turning the carrot on in firefox/iceweasel improves screen reader performance
02:51<Requiem>I dunno how, that's just what the mozilla people say it's for
02:52<Killing_Frost>Yeah, they've added a new addon for accessability functions to ff3.
02:53<Requiem>you mean stuff that doesn't require you to do arcane things with the browser?
02:54<Killing_Frost>Yeah, you can do things like hitting H and Shift+H to move forward and back thru headers.
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02:56<Killing_Frost>That's a major help in itself, since a page usually starts at the sidebar. Going to the first header usually means not having to tab thru all the links in the sidebar.
02:56<acu>Is lenny going to be released with kernel 2.6.22 ? or .24 ?
02:57<dondelelcaro>acu: it's almost definetly not going to be released with .22
02:57<dondelelcaro>acu: it may be released with .24
02:57<dondelelcaro>(or it may not be)
02:57<alaya_>anyone know how to solve problem of "aticonfig --initial" failing because of debian's new xorg.conf format?
02:58<Requiem>Aren't we still a year away from a lenny release?
02:58<Requiem>could be anything
02:58<dondelelcaro>Requiem: less than a year, most likely.
02:59*Requiem hrms
02:59<alaya_>dpkg-reconfigure doesn't even ask for choice of driver now. its all been changed.
02:59<acu>thanks - I want to setup a web and mail server, I need it only in a month or two to be in the open - however I am thinking whether I should use etch or lenny ? and since I do not use lenny I do not have a feeling how long it may take to be released - can anyone be Nostradamus for me ?
02:59<Requiem>oh heck, it's been a year since etch hit stable hasn't it?
02:59<dondelelcaro>alaya_: yes, because the X server is smart enough to figure that out for itself in most cases.
03:00<dondelelcaro>acu: just run etch.
03:00<alaya_>dondelelcaro: ok. I'll load the module and fire up X and see..
03:00<dondelelcaro>acu: you shouldn't run testing in production ever
03:00<Requiem>well, not production servers
03:01<Requiem>testing is a lot more stable/secure than what most of the desktop world is used to though
03:01<Killing_Frost>Was running Lenny just fine, until I tweaked the settings in /etc/logindefs and lost the login prompt....I think.
03:01<acu>dondelelcaro: thanks - I was just thinking out loud - if lenny was to be released in a month of two I could as well be at the cutting edge (though sometimes you can get cuts :) )
03:01<dondelelcaro>running lenny on anything in production is just a recipe for pain
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03:02<dondelelcaro>acu: well, it's not like it's hard to upgrade when it's released, so it's not a big deal if we release the day after you deploy. You'll have a year to plan an upgrade.
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03:03<dondelelcaro>the problem with testing isn't that it is not working now, but that it's a moving target, and security fixes requires you to follow that moving target, and moving targets can (and do quite often) break. Anytime that's a problem for you is a time you don't want to run it.
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03:04<Killing_Frost>Rewinds me to there a way to prevent login form reporting that the username you've entered doesn't exist? I like the way it used to be, when it gave no info at all to frustrate hackers.
03:04<Killing_Frost>*^%#*%#$ typos.
03:05<chealer>!tell Requiem about etch
03:05<dondelelcaro>Killing_Frost: LOG_UNKFAIL_ENAB iirc.
03:06<alaya_>Killing_Frost: maybe in /etc/login.defs ?
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03:07<Killing_Frost>That's what I thought. I think toggling it lost me the login prompt, tho.
03:07<Killing_Frost>At least in Lenny. I'm back to Etch now.
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03:11<Killing_Frost>Between installing a couple more packages and an upgrade the night before, I couldn't tell what had happened, so I just reinstalled Etch.
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03:12<Killing_Frost>Well, it's past midnight again. Thanks for the help and the chat. Catch ya all later...
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03:15<mamour>I just got done watching a couple of hermaphrodites of the female persusaion from new zealand go at it
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03:16<Requiem>mamour: if you want to troll in here, mentioning Ubuntu would get you more of a reaction.
03:17<mamour>Requiem, what is this "troll" you speak of
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03:18<Requiem>Are you new to the internet or something?
03:19<alaya_>mamour: in real life?
03:20<mamour>no :(
03:20<mamour>i wish
03:20<alaya_>how boring
03:20<mamour>it's enough for me
03:22<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>hah, The /ingore help in X-Chat says "mask - host mask to ignore, eg: *!*@*"
03:22<alaya_>ok restarting Xorg in the hope of fglrx happiness...
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03:25<alaya>dang it
03:25<alaya>"Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
03:26<alaya>"Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver line."
03:26<mamour>it's hardware man
03:26<mamour>all about hardware
03:27<alaya>i highly don't like this
03:27<mamour>work with it son
03:27<mamour>did the installation go ok ?
03:27<mamour>absolutely no problems ?
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04:07<alaya>cool, well all the xmms stuff is building
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04:09<Todd>Well!When i start scim -d,It shows me Loading x11 FrontEnd module ...
04:09<Todd>Failed to launch SCIM.
04:10<Todd>how could i fix it?Thank you1
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04:26<Tuplad>Is there any good bandwidth meter for linux ? I was using vnstat for quite a while but suddenly it stopped recording my downloads and uploads :/
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04:29<jm_>I suppose the answer is yes, depending on your needs
04:29<_ZeuZ_>guys, where can I download the sourcecode for kernel?
04:30<EggsBaconSausagesAndPancakes>_ZeuZ_: Debian's Kernel or Linus's?
04:30<_ZeuZ_>Linus.. I don't like SMP and Preempt not included by default...
04:31<Tuplad>jm_: was that an answer to me ? :]
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04:32<jm_>Tuplad: yup
04:32<Tuplad>jm_: oh, well, all I need is just something like vnstat... display my daily download and upload and keeps logs of it
04:32<Tuplad>I really like vnstat, but I dont know why it's bugging :(
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04:34<jm_>Tuplad: hmm vnstat looks quite nice, ipac-ng has some of this, then there's darkstat or ntop
04:36<Tuplad>jm_: vnstat looks REALLY nice, and it was working very well, but it stopped monitoring since 4th of march for an unknown reason
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04:37<jm_>Tuplad: does it say anything?
04:37<Tuplad>jm_: nope, when I do vnstat -d it just shows me all stats from before 4th of march and 4th march itself
04:37<Tuplad>and after 4th march we've got 17th of march and everything is 0
04:38<Tuplad>jm_: when I do vnstat --live it counts it all and stuff, but it wont actually log it
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04:41<Tuplad>jm_: gotta say though, /etc/vnstat.conf doesn't exist and neither does $HOME/.vnstatrc
04:42<_ZeuZ_>anyone knows of a good tut to enable frequency governor and power governor on Debian? (i´m on lenny currently)
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04:43<jm_>Tuplad: hold, phone
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04:43<Tuplad>jm_: roger that
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04:45<krasi>hi all
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04:49<krasi>Please help. From word "example" i need to get the first 3 letters (etc , the result need to be word "exa") with gawk !!
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04:51<jm_>krasi: man cut
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04:51<jm_>Tuplad: let me install it
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04:56<jm_>Tuplad: did you try vnstat --dumpdb ?
04:56<BBoyDanny>damn sid
04:57<BBoyDanny>last upgrade messed up everything again :(
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04:57<fxiny>vnstat ? i use it since ages : what's the problem ?
04:58<jm_>fxiny: <Tuplad> jm_: vnstat looks REALLY nice, and it was working very well, but it stopped monitoring since 4th of march for an unknown reason
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04:58<fxiny>jm_: i see .
04:59<fxiny>Tuplad: check /var/lib/vnstat
04:59<jm_>yeah --dumpdb will show that, additionally strace it and see what it says
04:59<jm_>Tuplad: did you perhaps upgrade the kernel?
05:00<fxiny>my first vnstat record is from Feb '05 7,991 MB . it never failed
05:01<jm_>I use my own solution for monitoring this
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05:03<fxiny>yes ?
05:04<acidShaka>i've to find a string into a file
05:04<jm_>it's just a perl script parsing iptables output - that also allows you to have a bit more details
05:04<fxiny>like ip traffic ?
05:05<jm_>well you just add whichever ip accounting rules you want to iptables
05:07<keith>Debian4.0. I have successfully networked my 3 computers now how do I config the network so it starts up so when I start the computers. At present i have to use ifconfig ........
05:07<jm_>keith: man interfaces
05:07<fxiny>acidShaka: shake man : stops when it drops the strings entry :P
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05:13<fxiny>ahahah this Net::POP3 perl script + osd_cat , all crontabbed , shows me nicely the subject line : perl rulez ;)
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05:15<acidShaka>fxiny: :) i'm using grep -ilr "string" /dir
05:16<fxiny>acidShaka: you can grep your whole hd if you want
05:17<acidShaka>i know :) but i wannw know just a thing: if i'm searching for "loadPage" but into the files it's saved like loaPage('INFO'); the grep show me the result?
05:17<keith>jm_ I had a quick look at interfaces but cannot see what to do.
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05:17<jm_>keith: you have lots of examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown
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05:19<fxiny>acidShaka: yes : add man grep to your cocktail :P
05:20<acidShaka>fxiny: :P thanks
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05:20<fxiny>acidShaka: np :)
05:21<Tuplad>jm_: yes I did try dumpdb
05:21<Tuplad>jm_: I did upgrade the kernel, I think, I just run all updates on aptitude
05:22<fxiny>oh : is a vnstat/lenny kernel issue ?
05:22<Tuplad>fxiny: I am on lenny, but I dont know if it's interconnected
05:22<Tuplad>I checked /var/lib/vnstat/ and there's a eth0 file
05:23<jm_>Tuplad: maybe it's not parsing the file in /proc properly
05:23<Tuplad>how do I find out ? :|
05:23<fxiny>Tuplad: vnstat -d shows nothing at all ? could be a corrupted file
05:24<Tuplad>fxiny: vnstat shows everything until 04.03
05:24<Tuplad>fxiny: and now I notice that 17.03 has stats aswell, but it used to be zero zero zero
05:24<Tuplad>so it goes till 04.03, then 17.03 and then 21.03
05:24<Tuplad>21.03(today) is all zero
05:24<Tuplad>in /proc there's a file vmstat
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05:24<fxiny>Tuplad: vnstat -tr ?
05:25<Tuplad>fxiny: that works
05:25<Tuplad>fxiny: it does catch traffic and stuff
05:25<Tuplad>fxiny: but wont show up in stats
05:25<jm_>what does vnstat -u do on command line?
05:25<fxiny>initialize ?
05:26<jm_>no -u is update
05:26<Tuplad>jm_: nothing
05:26<fxiny>oh no : updates
05:26<jm_>Tuplad: also no error? does it update the file in /var?
05:26<Tuplad>it doesnt give an error
05:26<Tuplad>but when I do vnstat -d, it shows stats for today
05:26<Tuplad>21.03. 67.25 MB | 4.42 MB | 71.67 MB
05:26<Tuplad>jm_: which file in var ? :o
05:27<Tuplad>jm_: see only dirs there
05:27<jm_>Tuplad: /var/lib/vnstat/<interface>
05:27<Tuplad>jm_: cant view that file
05:27<Tuplad>jm_: has some encoding of some sort
05:27<Tuplad>jm_: if I do it through sudo cat /var/lib/vnstat/eth0 I just get some weird characters in console
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05:28<fxiny>Tuplad: any messages from cron like this : Error: The previous update was after the current date. >>> Use --force to override this message. ?
05:28<jm_>Tuplad: yeah look at time stamps / size before running -u and after
05:29<Tuplad>fxiny: how do I find out ?
05:29<fxiny>which is like jm_ is saying an update command : if [ -x /usr/bin/vnstat ] && [ `ls /var/lib/vnstat/| wc -l` -ge 1 ];then /usr/bin/vnstat -u; fi
05:29<Tuplad>jm_: if I run vnstat -u it updates all that stuff
05:30<fxiny>jm_: i think you got it :)
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05:30<fxiny>Tuplad: that is in my logcheck archives
05:30<Tuplad>jm_: I get the feeling that after last vnstat update, it doesnt update by itself anymore, it doesnt update in realtime, but I have to manually update it
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05:31<jm_>Tuplad: uhm it was always supposed to run from cron, wasn't it?
05:31<Tuplad>no idea :x
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05:31<jm_>I wonder how you got it working at all :P
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05:31<Tuplad>I'm really a linux beginner, I'm just playing around with it and trying to find stuff out
05:31<Tuplad>jm_: aptitude :D
05:32<jm_>Tuplad: aha, /etc/cron.d/vnstat - is that still there?
05:33<jm_>so find out if it's still executing
05:33<Tuplad>jm_: in the file I find: 0-55/5 * * * * root if [ -x /usr/bin/vnstat ] && [ `ls /var/lib/vnstat/ | wc -l` -ge 1 ]; then /usr/bin/vnstat -u; fi
05:33<Tuplad>how to do that ? :}
05:33<jm_>Tuplad: grep vnstat /var/log/syslog
05:34<Tuplad>oh wait, typo
05:34<Tuplad>still nothing
05:34<fxiny>Tuplad: you can find that mesage by : zgrep vnstat /var/log/syslog.1.gz or syslog.2.gz and so on
05:35<jm_>that's why it's failing then - is cron running?
05:35<Tuplad>jm_: ps aux | grep cron
05:35<Tuplad>root 3034 0.0 0.1 3580 984 ? Ss 07:38 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
05:36<jm_>Tuplad: huh, zgrep vnstat /var/log/*
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05:38<fxiny>i believe eth0 was down when cron tried to update vnstat db . it happens to me many times , maybe his db is corrupted
05:38<jm_>but it's not even executing by cron unless his syslog config is screwed
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05:38<fxiny>ohhh good one
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05:40<jm_>Tuplad: add a dummy cronjob now and see if it shows up in logs
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05:41<alaya>wow i can't believe i'm running a 64-bit os
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05:43<Tuplad>sorry, had a kernel panic
05:43<Tuplad>jm_: so how do I add a crondummy ?
05:43<jm_>Tuplad: crontab -e
05:44<Tuplad>sudo or just from my account?
05:44<jm_>doesn't matter
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05:44<Tuplad>I'm in a console of some sort
05:44<Tuplad>looks like midnight commander
05:45<Tuplad>what do I do there?
05:45<Tuplad>first line is: # m h dom mon dow command
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05:46<jm_>* * * * * date
05:46<jm_>man 5 crontab
05:48<Tuplad>jm_: yeah but jm, I'm can't do much with the manual because I don't really understand where you're leading me :) what do I have to do in the editor ?
05:49<jm_>Tuplad: enter the above line iwth * and press enter, then quit it
05:49<Tuplad>jm_: * * * * * date ?
05:49<jm_>Tuplad: yup
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05:50<Tuplad>done did it
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05:50<jm_>now zgrep CRON /var/log/*
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05:51<Tuplad>jm_: I get a huge output
05:51<modnar>whats going on/
05:51<jm_>Tuplad: does it say something about adding at the end?
05:52<Tuplad>jm_: it's freaking huge, it's a text file of 4,7mb
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05:52<Tuplad>I dumped it in a text file
05:52<jm_>Tuplad: just check the end
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05:53<Tuplad>the last line is about 14 march
05:53<Tuplad>this is the last line: /var/log/syslog.6.gz:Mar 14 08:10:01 zarinda CRON[3253]: Module is unknown
05:54<jm_>are you sure you have saved and exited the editor?
05:54<Tuplad>* * * * * date
05:54<Tuplad>then I pressed enter
05:54<Tuplad>then I saved and quit it
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05:56<jm_>Tuplad: zgrep -i cron ...
05:56<jm_>my bad
05:56<Tuplad>with the 3 dots at teh end?
05:56<jm_>no with /var/log... from the above command
05:57<Tuplad>oh yea
05:57<Tuplad>that's what I did
05:57<Tuplad>last line is
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05:57<Tuplad> /var/log/syslog.6.gz:Mar 14 08:12:10 zarinda anacron[3257]: Updated timestamp for job `cron.daily' to 2008-03-14
05:57<jm_>does it mention EDIT?
05:57<jm_>ok just grep through syslog
05:58<Tuplad>jm_: I'm sorry to cut this short, but I gotta get going
05:58<Tuplad>jm_: thanks for your patience, you too fxiny
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05:58<Tuplad>thanks for the help too :} I will be back in a couple of hours and if y'all be here I'll bring the subject back up
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06:12<bzz>hi all, where i can find nvidia drivers for 2.6.24 kernel ?
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06:12<jm_>bzz: in sid
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06:16<blarson>!tell bzz about nvidia
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06:23<Valaris>Hello. Im having a problem trying to apt-get install gcc. When i do that it asks me for a cdrom but i prefer to install it from the web. Anyway to overide this and make it install from an online source?
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06:24<Valaris>Been looking around and not sure what to do. I ran apt-get update
06:24<jm_>remove cdrom from sources.list?
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06:24<Valaris>Hmm that would fix it?
06:25<Valaris>Hot damn
06:25<Valaris>It fixed it
06:25<Valaris>I owe you lol
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06:31<littleboy>hm. hello.
06:31<littleboy>anyone alive from debian kernel devel team ?
06:32<littleboy>i think i found a bug in ip_nat or something related to that, im not sure.
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06:33<philip>hi, i m looking for a tool to configure my Logitech Keyboard. i want use the special buttons on amarok
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06:34<jm_>philip: I use lineakd for that
06:34<philip>can someone help me?
06:34<philip>ok i wil try it
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06:39<miksuh>philip: try eg. keytouch
06:39<miksuh># apt-get install keytouch
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06:47<keith>Debian4. Which file do I configure so that networking is on automatically on when the computers are turned on?
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06:47<mlody>yo all
06:48<cahoot>keith: like /etc/network/interfaces?
06:49<keith>Cahoot: Yes, but what do I add to that?
06:49<jm_>keith: I told you where to find info
06:49<miksuh>philip: and #apt-get keytouch-editor
06:50<cahoot>keith: like auto eth0 or whatever
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06:50<cahoot>man 5 interfaces
06:50<keith>Jm_: Sorry, but I cannot see how
06:51<jm_>keith: did you look in /usr/share...?
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06:54<keith>cahoot: I already have auto eth0 in interfaces.
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06:55<valdyn>keith: what exactly is the problem then with your eth0?
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06:55<jigsaw_>ich bräuchte bitte hilfe
06:56<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
06:56<keith>jm_ I looked in share but couldn't see anything i need. I'm not saying it isn't there.
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06:59<keith>valdyn: The network works fine. But every time I turn the computers off and on I have to set the network again with ifconfig eth0 up ......etc
06:59<valdyn>keith: what happens when you do "ifup eth0" instead?
06:59<valdyn>keith: and tell us the precise "ifconfig eth0 up ..." command
06:59<jm_>keith: debian installer creates this for you if it detects a NIC at install time
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07:01<valdyn>keith: and paste /etc/network/interfaces on a paste ste
07:02<valdyn>keith: and paste /etc/network/interfaces on a paste site
07:02<keith>jm: I didnt do a network at install time only after.
07:04<jm_>keith: ok so you'll have to hand edit it
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07:08<Darksin_80>xdcc list
07:08<jpatrick>hi Darksin_80
07:08<dpkg>one warez list being sent to darksin_80
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07:08<keith>valdyn: I don't know how to do that - I don't come here too often. But this is the ifconfig - ifconfig eth0 up netmask broadcast
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07:09<valdyn>keith: does your /etc/network/interfaces match that setup?
07:09<Darksin_80>xdcc list
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07:11<valdyn>!spoonfeed keith
07:11<dpkg>Silly keith, Unix tricks are for bots.
07:11<keith>jm_The network works well . I can access the other two computer and read all the files. Only problem is when I restart I have to do the ifconfig all over.
07:11<valdyn>!be an interfaces barbie
07:11<dpkg>editing config files by hand is so HARD!
07:12<jm_>keith: yes we know that so edit interfaces file already
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07:14<Mrkva>well... anyone knows if there is a ksynaptics package for amd64 sid? can't find it anywhere
07:15<keith>jm_ Yea I'll keep looking at interfaces. I'll get there eventually.
07:15<jm_>keith: just take it from examples and modify it with your values
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07:16<jm_>keith: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz first one
07:16<jm_>very similar to your needs
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07:19<]NK[PaiN>Hey all, i was trying to install the drivers for Nvidia Geforce Fx 5200, and i got these error: unable to finde the kernel source tree for currently running kernel. ... "kernel source files"...
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07:19<Mrkva>in unstable, it's only for freebsd
07:21<]NK[PaiN>i have the same error on opensuse, but it says " the kernel header ... does not exist. the most likely reason for this is that the kernel source files ... is incorrect.
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07:21<Mrkva>]NK[PaiN, aptitude install kernel-headers-`uname -r` build-essentials
07:21<Mrkva>i guess :)
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07:22<]NK[PaiN>so with that the kernel source files are ok ?
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07:23<Mrkva>i hope
07:23<]NK[PaiN>Cheers dudes :]
07:23<barii>hello! I'm trying to install thexorg, so i typed: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i80, but its wrote all the xserver-xorg-xvideo packaga. I need to install all packages?
07:23<]NK[PaiN>im gonna try out ^^
07:23<barii> xserver-xorg-video-i80 = xserver-xorg-video-i810
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07:26<valdyn>barii: that command will hardly get all video drivers, use cut & paste on a paste site to show precise command and output
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07:28<Mrkva>hmm... i've installed ksynaptic packages from lenny, but i don't think, this is ideal approach :D any ideas?
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07:30<barii><valdyn> how can i use it without x?
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07:38<fxiny>!pastebin pipe
07:38<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
07:38<fxiny>barii: ^^^^
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07:39<jm_>fxiny: no need for that, one can always use
07:40<yakumo>well, heres my problem
07:40<fxiny>yes ? updating my notes
07:40<fxiny>jm_: tx :)
07:40<yakumo>i installed debian, only could do that by deactivating the integrated ethernet card of my mobo
07:40<yakumo>then i activated it again, and saw that forcedeth driver was loaded
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07:41<yakumo>but althought my ip was configured, nothing worked
07:41<yakumo>then i removed the driver, and added an optinons file to /etc/modprobe.d
07:41<yakumo>with the line "options forcedeth msi=0 msix=0"
07:42<yakumo>modprobed again the module, and run /etc/init.d/networking restart
07:42<yakumo>then it worked
07:42<yakumo>but every time I boot, I have to do the same in order to have internet connetcion
07:42<yakumo>remove the driver, install again and restart network
07:43<yakumo>i have registered a shell script in /etc/init.d in order to do that, but does not works either
07:43<yakumo>how can i make the internet connection to work after boot?
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07:45<jm_>yakumo: is it perhaps not called eth0 but say eth1 or eth2 or ...? did you check this? it's a known issue with some nforce motherboards
07:45<yakumo>its eth0, im sure
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07:45<jm_>then check if it has debugging and try with that
07:46<yakumo>at least ifconfig sais that, and that is how i have configured it
07:46<vjoe>I installed epiphany and now it's my default browser, how can I set Iceweasel default again?
07:46<vjoe>I am using Openbox
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07:46<fxiny>update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
07:46<alaya>vjoe: man alternatives
07:46<vjoe>hugesystem:/home/hugo# man alternatives
07:46<vjoe>No manual entry for alternatives
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07:47<fxiny>man update-alternatives
07:47<alaya>oops update-alternatives. like fxiny said
07:47<yakumo>mm, I am gonna try something
07:47<yakumo>see ya
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07:49<vjoe>thanks for the help :)
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07:50<vjoe>I used to set it with gnome
07:50<vjoe>but now I am not using it, and it's better to know the commands, eheh
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07:52<vjoe>btw guys, which image viewer do you use?
07:52<vjoe>the default Gnome Image Viewer doesn't show animated gifs
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07:55<Tha>Hi ALL... i have questions about mdadm raid... i heard many versions why its better or worst of hardraid but i still have questions... can it be used when perfomance is not the main thing, but the main is stability of data (sorry for bad english)
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07:56<Nha>hi all debian fans
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07:57<Nha>today is such a beautiful day easten in Germany
07:57<valdyn>Tha: stability is relative, so compared to what?
07:57<jm_>Tha: its performance is pretty much OK, depending on your CPU - there are other benefits to it too
07:57<Nha>and i learn now how minix works
07:57<Co_creative>hi all
07:59<fxiny>vjoe: display from imagemagik
07:59<fxiny>iirc works with animated
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08:01<fxiny>yes it works
08:02<vjoe>i can't find the package
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08:02<Nha>dont you konow any well organizied open source software
08:02<Nha>i would like to take part in
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08:03<fxiny>the package name is imagemagick
08:03<Nha>but firefox is not so gut
08:03<Nha>not so good
08:04<vjoe>hugesystem:/home/hugo# imagemagick
08:04<vjoe>bash: imagemagick: command not found
08:04*fxiny wonders why won't let ecth users check firebug3 beta 4
08:05<fxiny>vjoe: the command is : display
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08:06<vjoe>the gif doesn't animate :s
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08:07<fxiny>i mean : beta3 was ok . beta-bug4 complains about gtk version . deleting it
08:09<fxiny>vjoe: i've checked this free gif : wget
08:09<fxiny>it works
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08:12<fxiny>vjoe: let iceweasel open it
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08:12<vjoe>good ideia
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08:14<mjk>How do I make an exact copy of a CD under (Debian) Linux? I want to copy my various DOS game CDs to my harddrive and want to preserve everything there is (including audio tracks) in a single file. And ideally, VirtualBox and/or Wine should be able to read that image format.
08:14<vjoe>try brasero
08:14<mjk>fxiny: :-)
08:14<fxiny>cp /dev/cdrom image.iso
08:14*vjoe is away: mario strikers charged
08:14<mjk>Phoenix_the_II: dd doesn't copy audio tracks, right?
08:15<mjk>fxiny: ;-)
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08:15<fxiny>mjk: :))))
08:15<Phoenix_the_II>dd is raw reading? :p
08:15<mjk>Phoenix_the_II: Hm yes, but not /that/ raw, I think.
08:15<mjk>Phoenix_the_II: I'm not sure, though.
08:15<Phoenix_the_II>never tried on audio though :P
08:15<fxiny>Phoenix_the_II: dump data ?
08:16<jm_>mjk: cdrdao
08:16<Phoenix_the_II>oh well :P
08:16<mjk>jm_: Will that copy bitwise, including the data and audio tracks? (Just used cdrdao for audio CDs a few years ago)
08:16<Phoenix_the_II>dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/somewhere/cdrom.iso bs=1024
08:17<Phoenix_the_II>if cp doesnt work :P
08:17<Phoenix_the_II>you could try that
08:17<jm_>mjk: yes
08:17<fxiny>cp works
08:17<mjk>jm_: Great!
08:17<mjk>fxiny: Shut up! ;-))
08:17<fxiny>mjk: heheheh :))
08:17*mjk is going to try cdrdao now ...
08:17<fxiny>why ?
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08:18<mjk>fxiny: Why what?
08:18<fxiny>just try and feed it to loopback
08:18<Phoenix_the_II>fxiny, just never thought cp could copy crap into a .iso? :p
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08:19<fxiny>Phoenix_the_II: strange things comes out from hashes.iso :P
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08:23<fxiny>do you prefere catting a device ? cat /dev/cdrom > image.iso or cat /dev/video0 > somefile.mpg ? or a partition ?
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08:24<mjk>Argh! "cdrdao disk-info --device 1000,4,0" doesn't work (neither with "ATA:..."), it says: "Illegal value for busno, target or lun" -- how do I find out those values? I got "1000,4,0" from the output of "wodim -scanbus".
08:24<jm_>wodim -scanbus
08:24<mjk>jm_: Err ... like I wrote. :-)
08:24<jm_>mjk: just use /dev/foo
08:24<mjk>jm_: But these values don't work.
08:25<mjk>jm_: /dev/foo doesn't work, either
08:25<fxiny>yahhh real men use wodim
08:25<mjk>fxiny: =)
08:25<fxiny>mjk: ;)
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08:25<jm_>mjk: what does it say?
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08:26<mjk>jm_: Errr ... wait ... "--device /dev/hdf" works. Grmf, sorry, I tried ATA:... before.
08:26<mjk>jm_: Thanks. :-}
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08:30<Nha>hi all
08:31<sidgyck>greetings Nha
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08:32<Nha>hi sid
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08:37<sidgyck>Nha: what books about Linux administration/programmin you may advice to reading for me?
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08:41<dimitris>exteris it's an Ububtu now...what hapenned?
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08:42<dimitris>exteris thanks a lot for your time friend
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08:44*ApOgEE- shutting down!!
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09:06<mjk>Okay, dd indeed only copies data tracks, while cdrdao seems to have copied everything -- thanks, jm_!
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09:08<jm_>no worries
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09:14<barii>hello! how can i automatically start the nm-applet of network-managar?
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09:14<abrotman>!tell vjoe about away
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09:15<vjoe>abrotman, sry
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09:24<vjoe>anyone here uses conky?
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09:26<Supaplex>vjoe: I've heard of others using it
09:27<vjoe>i need some help with the cpu temps
09:27<vjoe>i've already installed and started lm-sensors
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09:29<fxiny>check hddtemp
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09:29<jm_>does sensors return the values?
09:30<vjoe>my sensors return little thing :s
09:30<vjoe>hugo@hugesystem:~$ sensors
09:30<vjoe>Adapter: PCI adapter
09:30<vjoe>Core0 Temp: +37.0°C
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09:30<jm_>stop pasting here
09:30<vjoe>err, what's the problem of pasting 4 lines?
09:30<Supaplex>the kick didn't give it away?
09:31<Supaplex>!tell vjoe -about paste
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09:31<vjoe>ok ok
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09:34<fxiny>Supaplex : kicking as in "and he spoke of pastebin green" ? I was never told why ! :P
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09:38<mjk>Guest2090: Traitor! ;-)
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09:38<tingle>i just did a minimal debian etch installation now i would like to install xorg and a verry light version of gnome because im still a newbie i dont find fluxbox, evilwm ect ect functional.. does someone know what packages to install for a minimal gnome?
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09:38<valdyn>tingle: aptitude install xorg gnome
09:38<valdyn>!install gnome
09:38<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
09:39<valdyn>tingle: replace "gnome" with whatever you like best from what dpkg listed
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09:40<tingle>valdyn: thanks
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09:42<mamour>What program do you use in place of GoogleTalk?
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09:45<Supaplex>any jabber client
09:45<mamour>for voice ?
09:45<Supaplex>I don't use voice
09:45<mamour>I didn't ask if you used voice
09:46<mamour>I asked if you know of something that work with google talk
09:46<mamour>specifically, for voice
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09:47*fxiny sends a philosophal stone to Supaplex
09:48<mamour>what is this "philosophical stone" business
09:49<Supaplex>fxiny: do you ever have the impression one person can stiffle the help offered here?
09:50<mamour>why would anyone think that
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09:51<Supaplex>I have nothing usefull to say, so I'll return to work.
09:51<mamour>I didn't know they had irc at mcdonalds
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09:51<mamour>are you using a cash register to chat ?
09:52<fxiny>Supaplex: work ? what about it ? another bug report ? you know i am curious ;)
09:52<drone77>I appear to have just destroyed my partition table. Recommendations on how to fix it?
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09:53<Engy>what did you do?
09:53<Engy>that makes it easier fr recommendations....
09:53<fxiny>Supaplex: i've seen the idiot refusing help yeahhhh ,yesterday ? lemme look into this chap
09:53<Supaplex>they have irc at mcdonalds?
09:53<mamour>if you destroyed your partition table how are you talking on irc ?
09:54<drone77>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 <--- shh I know what it does
09:54<mamour>I'd like a valid explanation otherwise it sounds to me like you are lying
09:54<drone77>@ Engy
09:55<jm_>drone77: try gpart
09:55<fxiny>drone77: apt-cache show gpart
09:55<dpkg>somebody said testdisk was an alternative to gpart. Try gpart first., or see also gpart, or or if that url doesn't work: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks. It is very useful in recovering lost partitions.
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09:56<drone77>Yeah thanks, I was thinking gpart but it's on another machine and at the moment it's not bootable. Should I just transfer the drive and run gpart?
09:57<drone77>i.e. would that be the easiest way
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09:58<jm_>or use some sort of live cd
09:58<drone77>jm_, yeah been trying to find one with gpart on
09:58<Supaplex>drone77: that'll work. or a live-cd, or netbooting (if you have pxe setup; too complicated otherwise)
09:58<jm_>drone77: try grml
09:58<Supaplex>try a debian-live cd. you can apt-get install it after you boot up
09:58<dpkg>hmm... debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage:, or irc://
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09:59<jm_>hmm grml doesn't seem to have it either
09:59<Supaplex>they have premade images. the kde image is too big for a cd (use a dvd, or use a non kde image)
09:59<jm_>ahh no it has that compressed image on it
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10:00<drone77>jm_, Supaplex. Thanks guys, I'll try grml and if that doesn't work something deb based and do that
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10:30<Some_Person>I'm trying to install an old game long removed from the repository. I don't feel like building the source, and the deb depends on 2 obsolete packages. How can I install this?
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10:32<Tuplad>jm_: I'm back :}
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10:32<jm_>Tuplad: sorry I have to run now, ask again and someone will help, have them verify if cron is running jobs for you now
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10:40<Engy>Some_Person, install the obsolete libs, too?
10:40<Some_Person>Engy: these libs have been replced by newer libs
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10:41<Engy>does it depend on exact versions of the libs?
10:41<Engy>or is there some compatibility-layer?
10:41<Engy>strange deb, then
10:42<Some_Person>i got it from
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10:43<Some_Person>example: it depends on plib1c102 (<< 1.6.1), plib1c102 (>= 1.6.0)
10:43<Some_Person>the other one is xlibs (>> 4.1.0)
10:44<fxiny>Tuplad: this cronkob will run every minute , as user run : crontab -e , then add this line : */1 * * * * date , check your mail for cron messagess or run tail -f /var/log/syslog
10:44<bebin>how to uninstall VMware Server
10:44<Some_Person>I've been trying to find a transitional package for these, with no luck
10:44<Engy>!tell bebin about vmware
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10:44<Tuplad>fxiny: check my mail for messages ? I dont use mail @ linux, my Opera browser is my mail :}
10:45<Tuplad>fxiny: oh wait :O
10:45<Tuplad>fxiny: after doing what you said, I just typed mail, and I see this
10:45<Tuplad>on the last line: U 22 root@zarinda Fri Mar 21 07:44 19/611 Anacron job 'cron.daily' on zarinda
10:45<bebin>VMware Server creates a virtual system in a operating system to run other operating system on it
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10:46<Engy>i know, bebin
10:46<bebin>Engy : VMware Server creates a virtual system in a operating system to run other operating system on it
10:46<Engy>but vmware is not an official debian package
10:46<Engy>I KNOW
10:46<Engy>see the query message by dpkg
10:46<fxiny>Tuplad: you want to check if corn run , right ? so leave mail alone . let cron mailing you date
10:46<Tuplad>fxiny: one moment, I'll give you the output of tail -f
10:47<bebin>ok i know that
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10:47<Some_Person>Engy: what should i do? install the old debs? or should i just rebuild the package from source (not really interested in that though)
10:47<fxiny>Tuplad: you shoyuld see something like : /USR/SBIN/CRON .... CMD (date)
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10:48<fxiny>Tuplad: tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep CRON
10:49<Engy>Some_Person, i think that building from source is the best way
10:49<Some_Person>Engy: ok, i'll try it
10:49<Engy>or try installing the package by force
10:49<Engy>but no guarantee that nothing breaks by that
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10:50<Some_Person>would forcing it ignore the bad dependencies?
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10:50<fxiny>Tuplad: Tuplad if cron works you'll see "CMD (date)" on the same line , every minute
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10:51<fxiny>Tuplad: did you add that cronjob ?
10:51<Tuplad>fxiny: yes :)
10:51<Tuplad>in crontab -e ?
10:52<fxiny>Tuplad: */1 * * * * date
10:52<Tuplad>I'm not kidding you :D
10:52<fxiny>i believe you
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10:52<Tuplad>oh Jesus Christ, wait, a kernel error >_> gotta restart!
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10:55<fxiny>Tuplad: we just verified what jm_ asked : "have them verify if cron is running jobs" , cron is not running your commands
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10:55<bebin>Engy : this is used to uninstall vmware
10:55<fxiny>Tuplad: we just verified what jm_ asked : "have them verify if cron is running jobs" , cron is not running your commands
10:55<Tuplad>fxiny: how do I verify it
10:56<fxiny>we already verified it : cron is not running >> CMD (date) for you
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10:56<Tuplad>and how do I make it run my commands for me ?
10:57<fxiny>as you did before : by runing crontab -e
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11:08<AverageGuy>Has anyone noticed the home page of changed? Or is it just me?
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11:09<azeem>AverageGuy: how is this related to Debian?
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11:09<AverageGuy>OK sorry for the bandwidth.
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11:11<Tuplad>fxiny: but I did, I inserted what you told me, and it still doesnt run properly ?
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11:13<fxiny>Tuplad: it seems so , cron should email you errors . check your system mail spool . what's your email client ?
11:14<fxiny>don't tell me opera :)
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11:15<Tuplad>fxiny: opera ;)
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11:17<therat85>i need help whit my DEBIAN
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11:17<fxiny>Tuplad: nahhh : look into /var/spool/
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11:18<torrr> I have this link that works only in windows and not in my debian linux even with telnet it works only in windows
11:18<pavelgr>hello there, anybody running bluetooth on debian unstable/kernel 2.6.24.x?
11:18<Tuplad>fxiny: what should I look for there?
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11:18<torrr>now I asked in #web@freenode and someone told me that with FC it works fine
11:18<therat85>i whant configuring the compiz-fosion
11:18<torrr>so it may be a debian problem?
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11:19<fxiny>Tuplad: sorry , i'm not up to the task of fixing your borked cron , it seems you are having kernel panics and some such : i just followed your discussion with jm_ about vnstat
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11:19<pavelgr>maybe somebody experienced kernal crashes when using bluetooth on kernel 2.6.24.x?
11:20<Tuplad>fxiny: oh roger that, don't worry :)
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11:20<Tuplad>fxiny: I'll be using vnstat -u, that works
11:20<fxiny>Tuplad: is exim installed or postfix ?
11:20<Tuplad>I think they both are
11:20<Tuplad>let me check
11:20<fxiny>it can't be both
11:20<Tuplad>exim is
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11:22<fxiny>Tuplad: exim4 -bp will show you exim mail queue
11:23<Tuplad>fxiny: doesnt show anything :o
11:23<fxiny>so your system mail has been delivered to you
11:24<Tuplad>I can just check it through mail ?
11:24<fxiny>Tuplad: do your best :)
11:24<fxiny>Tuplad: :)
11:25<Tuplad>fxiny: you should check this ...
11:25<Tuplad>the last mail
11:25<Tuplad>wait a sec, pastebin :}
11:25<fxiny>Tuplad: where are we going mate ? :)
11:25<Tuplad>fxiny: what you mean ? :D
11:26<fxiny>ohhhhh some light !
11:27<fxiny>Tuplad: any /var/spool/mail/Tuplad file ?
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11:27<fxiny>just read it , look for the date cron job
11:27<Tuplad>"/var/spool/mail/vlad" though
11:28<fxiny>vlad ? bloody hell ! :)))
11:28<Tuplad>what ?
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11:29<Tuplad>WHAHAHAHHA :D
11:29<Tuplad>not the dracula though :p
11:29*Tuplad attacks fxiny with his bloody claws
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11:29<Tuplad>fxiny: I'm getting all the same errors
11:29<Tuplad>fxiny: the whole mail file is filled with that stuff
11:30*fxiny watches victor fighting on the back of the lorry
11:30*Tuplad rofls
11:31*vjoe errr
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11:31<fxiny>Tuplad: is it filled ? is cron mailing you date ? same output when you run in date in a terminal ? yes ? so cron is fine
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11:32<Tuplad>fxiny: well yeah, I have to run vnstat -u manually though
11:32<bloom>anybody here have a problem with aptitude automatically removing dhcp3-client because it was automatically installed and nothing depended on it?
11:32<Tuplad>fxiny: like, vnstat is working and shows stats, but I have to update manually
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11:33<fxiny>bloom: aptitude can do such tricks
11:33<bloom>fxiny: I want to file a bug against whatever package caused this, but I don't know what package it was
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11:33<tingle>what do i need to install to get alsamixer? alsa-base or alsa-utils?
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11:34<amphi>tingle: alsa-utils IIRC - ask apt-file
11:34<fxiny>tingle: apt-cache show alsa-utils
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11:34<tingle>fxiny: ty that worked
11:35<gsimmons>torrr: Sounds like TCP window scaling issues. See the Etch release notes (section 5.1.3) and bug #401435 in the BTS.
11:36<therat85>hola alguno habla españo
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11:36<therat85>ye parle spañol
11:36*fxiny rerminds Tuplad that victor is trying to kill selene on the same lorry
11:36<therat85>i speak spanish
11:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:38<therat85>i deen help whit the compiz-fusion
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11:58<bighornram>I am getting warning that root is full. How do I solve this issue? Is a new amd64 install.
11:58<cahoot>aptitude clean?
11:59<bighornram>will try. have done apt-get clean and autoclean
11:59<cahoot>ok then that's already done
12:00<m0RrE>you could try rm -rf /, that would certainly give you the space you need :)
12:00<m0RrE>...but DON'T do that :)
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12:01<cahoot>things like that could get you kicked
12:01<m0RrE>that's why i added the second line :D
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12:03<m0RrE>bighornram: did you set the partitions manually when you installed?
12:03<bighornram>no was auto
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12:03<m0RrE>how big is the root partition?
12:04<bighornram>auto partitioned the free space. drive is BIG/ disk useage analyzer says 3.3 GB
12:04<bighornram>and 100% used
12:04<cahoot>fs corruption?
12:05<m0RrE>did you select the option "use entire drive" ?
12:06*zarchne would like to see a "df" on bighornram's system to start with.
12:06<bighornram>is a dual boot, with redmond.
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12:06*zarchne would then do "du -ax / | sort -nr | head"
12:07<bighornram>zarchne: what would that do?
12:07<fxiny>bighornram: are you cpying cd/dvd ?
12:08<cahoot>df -i ?
12:08<zarchne>bighornram: "df" just lists the filesystems (partitions) and how they are used.
12:08<bighornram>fxiny: no
12:08<bighornram>got the error box when x-win opens on boot
12:08<fxiny>bighornram: could be a /var/tmp subdir full
12:08<zarchne>cahoot's "df -i" suggestion shows inodes in use, also good.
12:09<zarchne>"du -ax / | sort -nr | head" shows the top 10 users of disk space on /.
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12:11<zarchne>(in terms of directories -- or files, if there are some large ones.)
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12:13<zarchne>bighornram: both can be run as non-root, although "du -ax / " will give more accurate results if run as root.
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12:14<nubbun>For testing a free/libre software, I wish to measure how much data it transfers over the network. What is a good program for that?
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12:15<zarchne>nubbun: instantaneous or cumulative?
12:15<nubbun>zarchne: cumulative
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12:16<wfq>hi Cahoot, that worked fine, thanks
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12:19<zarchne>What I've done is run net-acct and process with a perl script. Also look at ipac-ng.
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12:24<mrmango>What do I need in terms of debian packages to get php-gtk2 working, to develop?
12:24<nubbun>maybe sysstat will be useful for my task also.
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12:26<cahoot>bighornram: looks like a very small /
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12:28<jaakko>License question. As Debian is distributing GPL licensed software in binary form and the sources are not included (eg. install CD#1). Where can I see a written offer "Accompany i
12:28<jaakko>for at least th
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12:28<jaakko>..ree years"?
12:29<jaakko>I was saying: "written offer, valid for at least three years, to provide source code"
12:30<bighornram>cahoot: can GParted free up some space probably from /home and resize /?
12:30<cahoot>bighornram: I think so - but have no idea how to do that
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12:31<bighornram>how much would you recommend i add to /?
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12:31<fxiny>how big is your / now ?
12:32<cahoot>bighornram: I'd say 3-4 G
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12:32<bighornram>gonna try Gparted
12:32<fxiny>it should be fine , i use 3.5 max 4
12:33<cahoot>bighornram: df -h says your / is how big?
12:33<cahoot>nice syntax there
12:33<ttyS1>Hello, I'm getting the following error on the console every 15 seconds: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode CPU0: Temperature above threshold
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12:34<cahoot>did autpartitioning do this?
12:34<ttyS1>does anyone why i get this. the hardware is ok. I believe that some how the kernel is not handling the cpu properly and it is making it overheat
12:35<nubbun>ttyS1: I believe that if the hardware is ok, it is impossible for the kernel to make it overheat.
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12:36<nubbun>ttyS1: What the kernel could falsely do is misread or misinterpret the data.
12:37<ttyS1>nubbun: I've had the same experience with a different machine and a differen Linux distribution. Maybe the kernel I have is not the one I should be using for this cpu not sure
12:37<nubbun>I partially retract what I said: 'impossible' . If you have a software overclockable motherboard, it may be possible.
12:37<zarchne>bighornram: is this 32 or 64 bit, and how many versions of the kernel do you have installed?
12:37<ttyS1>but the computer does slow down and tends to freeze
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12:38<jaakko>ttyS1: does your fan run ever?
12:38<ttyS1>is 32 bit I only have the default kernel that was installed
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12:38<amphi>ttyS1: what cpufreq governor are you using?
12:39<ttyS1>amphi: I'm not sure, how can I check that ?
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12:39<amphi>ttyS1: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
12:39<ttyS1>I get this from cpuinfo: CPU0: Temperature above threshold
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12:39<zarchne>ttyS1: (I was asking bighornram.)
12:40<ttyS1>sorry wrong paste, this is what i get: model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz
12:40<amphi>ttyS1: perhaps your fan must be controlled by acpi
12:40<Tuplad>oh my, I feel lame... what do I do when I start a program and it just gives me a crash, and through console: (bug-buddy:3561): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_text_buffer_emit_insert: assertion `g_utf8_validate (text, len, NULL)' failed (it's rhythmbox)
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12:41<ttyS1> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
12:41<ttyS1>cat: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor: No such file or directory
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12:42<Tuplad>so I cant start the program at all
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12:42<fxiny>Tuplad: are you running sid or nosferatu ?
12:42<ttyS1>amphi: I think that is possible, how can I disable acpi ?
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12:43<Tuplad>fxiny: lenny
12:43<fxiny>lenny ? is not unstable like that
12:43<amphi>ttyS1: P4 uses some other module for cpu scaling
12:43<fxiny>Tuplad: it seems you are having too many problems
12:44<Tuplad>fxiny: that's true
12:44<Tuplad>fxiny: but someone actually helped me resolve a problem like that, I just can't repeat that same thing
12:44<Tuplad>fxiny: was about gdb rhythmbox, run, bt, and then like gdb rhythmbox core and some stuff like that :o
12:44<fxiny>Tuplad: all starting from the same day ?
12:45<Tuplad>what you mean ?
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12:45<fxiny>Tuplad: the "vnstat" day you were talking before ?
12:45<Tuplad>oh, no no
12:45<Tuplad>fxiny: that was waaaay before
12:46<ybeddyj>where can i find 2.6.25-rc6
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12:46<Tuplad>fxiny: I'm thinking about renewing my hardware and getting a new linux installation because this really blows =)
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12:46<amphi>ttyS1: p4_clockmod seems to be the module
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12:46<amphi>ttyS1: sorry, p4-clockmod
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12:46<amphi>ttyS1: is that loaded?
12:47<ttyS1>hum let me see
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12:48<ttyS1>amphi: it doesn't list that when i do lsmod
12:48<fxiny>Tuplad: i'm running old '98 hardware , flux etch . no porbs
12:48<amphi>ttyS1: try modprobe p4-clockmod
12:49<Tuplad>fxiny: :/ damn
12:49<fxiny>i have bt tried lenny yet , just some 2.6.22* bpo kernels
12:49<Tuplad>fxiny: running like 2003 hardware, gnome lenny and shitloads of problems
12:49<ttyS1>amphi: ok I did, now i see it under lsmod
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12:50<Tuplad>fxiny: I should pick up a book or two about linux and debian
12:50<fxiny>Tuplad: i have a fat fast box , a 2000 maybe , can't remember . i run 2 etch + 1 luks on it
12:50<fxiny>Tuplad: how old is that one ?
12:51<ttyS1>amphi: you think that would correct the problem ?
12:51<Tuplad>fxiny: I have zero knowledge about the infrastructure or any kernel talk or anything at all
12:51<Tuplad>fxiny: how old is what ?
12:51<Tuplad>fxiny: what is a fat fast box ? :D and what's "luks"
12:51<fxiny>Tuplad: you borked box
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12:51<Tuplad>fxiny: oh, I bought it in like 2001 and kept upgrading it, stopped upgrading @ around 2003-4
12:52<fxiny>Tuplad: a fat fast box is a stupid 3G xeon intevil . luks is about encryption
12:52<Tuplad>I wish I understood you, but unfortunatly...
12:52<fxiny>Tuplad: i am 100% sure i won't have any problems with lenny
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12:54<Tuplad>fxiny: is my report ;)
12:54<fxiny>Tuplad: this is a pII 400 sarge2etch upgrade , vserver kernel . i run all i want cause i don't care about eyecandy
12:54<ttyS1>amphi: well looks like its runnning ok for now, I'm gonna runsome more applications to see if it comes back. Thanks a lot
12:54<Tuplad>fxiny: I dont care about eyecandy either, but I started working with debian since august
12:54<Tuplad>fxiny: I just wiped windows and put debian on it
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12:55<amphi>ttyS1: what does /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor say?
12:55<fxiny>Tuplad: so why don't you stick with stable ?
12:55<fxiny>then you can move to lenny later
12:55<wfq>is there anyone that is using networkManager with Xfce on debian?
12:55<Tuplad>fxiny: software is outdated
12:56<fxiny>Tuplad: which one ?
12:56<Tuplad>fxiny: check the report, lol, "Boots" part :D
12:56<Tuplad>fxiny: first time I started off with etch
12:56<Tuplad>fxiny: and they still had like, GAIM
12:56<Tuplad>it's not even named like that anymore, it's pidgin now
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12:57<nubbun>For those who write bug reports, a reason not to run Stable/Etch is because bugs will more likely be fixed in Testing/Lenny
12:57<jaakko>wfq: do you have some xfce-specific problem with networkmanager?
12:57<abrotman>Tuplad: FYI .. that gaim is 1.99999rc413424e2 basically right before they renamed and released pidgin
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12:57<amphi>ttyS1: if it says 'performance', you probably want to do 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
12:58<abrotman>!info gaim etch
12:58<wfq>jaakko, I have installed the plugin and I have also added to the autostart application but I can not see the icon on my desktop
12:58<Tuplad>abrotman: but it's just that I'm not really interested in unstable software, and not in the outdated stable either
12:58<dpkg>gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB
12:58<Tuplad>!info pidgin etch
12:59<fxiny>Tuplad: i've seen it : pII400 total ram 224444 , 8 mrxvt tabs opened , three splitted screen windows , irssi . 5 rtorrents runnig . apache running . 6 iceweasel tabs what else you want ?
12:59<wfq>jaakko, I can see all the demons are up but I can't still see it in Desktop
12:59<jaakko>wfq: Do you have any icons on desktop?
12:59<fxiny>Tuplad: do you think windows user can do the same ?
12:59<Tuplad>fxiny: probably
13:00<Tuplad>fxiny: I used windows since 96-97
13:00<fxiny>Tuplad: i don't think so
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13:00<Tuplad>fxiny: but I was just a normal user
13:00<Tuplad>no webservers or anything
13:00<jaakko>wfq: Is it even icon, or should it be in "system tray" (what is the linux term for it?)
13:00<Tuplad>you know, just daily use
13:00<Tuplad>but this is fucking me up so badly
13:01<ttyS1>amphi: it does say performance
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13:01<fxiny>Tuplad: w2k maybe , is it safe ? my box is "checked" daily by debian . is very safe
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13:01<jaakko>wfq: Try installing pypanel or somethin like that, then you can see iconified programs and the "system tray".
13:02<fxiny>Tuplad: when i run a box i think about my life quality : i am very relaxed
13:02<Tuplad>fxiny: never used that, I used win98, win me and win xp
13:02<ttyS1>amphi: I still keep getting echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
13:02<wfq>jaakko, ufff, system tray. I don't know what that is but I am reading about it
13:03<ttyS1>amphi: * I still keep getting CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode
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13:03<ttyS1>I change it to ondemand but it doesn't seem to cause any difference
13:04<jaakko>wfq: do you have Gaim? What happens if you click "x" in the window?
13:04<Tuplad>fxiny: hmm
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13:04<wfq>well, I know what you mean with system try... No I don't have GAim, I could now install it and know if that is added to the desktop when I added via the panel
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13:05<wfq>jaakko, networkManager should appear on my right-up corner, shouldn't it?
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13:06<fxiny>Tuplad: don't give up
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13:10<jaakko>wfq: It needs systray, I don't know if xfce has that by default. Try that pypanel, remove if no help.
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13:15<ttyS1>how can I disable acpi
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13:18<BlackFox>Hello there! Just checking to see if anyone is awake.
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13:18<dpkg>the GNU Compiler Collection. see or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever", or /usr/bin symlinks not handled using Debian <alternatives>, see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian
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13:19<BlackFox>I got some questions about linux and debian specifically
13:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:20<BlackFox>ah ok
13:20<amphi>ttyS1: I've never had a p4, so I don't know how its scaling works; may be of use
13:20<jaakko>ttyS1: when booting, add on krnel line "acpi=off" (was that right syntax?)
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13:22<BlackFox>I got Debian 4.0 r3 i3, and I was trying out the Synaptic Pkg. Mgr. and I was trying to download and install a program that was listed. It downloaded the program and all of its dependancies fine and didn't throw any errors... but I can't find the program... or figure out how to execute it >.<
13:23<ttyS1>amphi: thanks
13:23<Engy>which prog was it?
13:24<Engy>most packets should go automatically somewhere in the menu of your GUI#
13:24<amphi>BlackFox: dpkg -L <package_name> will show what files a package installed
13:24<Engy>but you can always go to the command line and try to execute it there
13:24<BlackFox>I tried both but I couldn't find it... let me get the package name.
13:24<Engy>or find it in /zsr/bin or /usr/local/bin
13:25<BlackFox>ah, I wasn't sure where it would go by default.
13:25<Engy>sholug be in your path, so....
13:26<BlackFox>right, the pkg. is bittorrent, and i also got bittorrent-gui.
13:26<BlackFox>and theres nothing in usr/local/bin, its clean
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13:27<amphi>no package should ever install anything under /usr/local
13:27<fxiny>BlackFox: ls /usr/bin/*torrent*
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13:28<fxiny>iirc is called btdownload something
13:28<BlackFox>ah, fxiny, it brought up 5 items
13:28<fxiny>that's it
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13:29<fxiny>BlackFox: are you running gnome or kde ?
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13:30<BlackFox>I'm running gnome, but I like KDE better... and i haven't gotten to the point of getting KDE to run instead of Gnome
13:30<hobophobe>Is there an easy way via apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade to show what upgrade would cause another package's removal?
13:32<jaakko>hobophobe: aptitude -s dist-upgrade, it will simulate what would happen
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13:33<fxiny>BlackFox: use aptitude or apt-get , aptitude if you just started . Open a gnome terminal and run : aptitude -s install kde kdm . -s (simulation) will show you what will be installed , if you are happy jyst go without -s
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13:34<fxiny>BlackFox: run aptitude or apt as root . type su
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13:34<BlackFox>one moment
13:35<knite>I'm trying deal the spam problem.. I've taken the first test of installing spamassassin and running my mbox through it to tag it. now what? do i have to configure a mail client to look at the tags?
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13:36<BlackFox>fxiny: I don't see aptitude... how do I run it?
13:37<knite>can I get mutt to check spam-assassin tags?
13:37<fxiny>knite: procmail ?
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13:37<fxiny>BlackFox: did you open a gnome terminal ?
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13:38<BlackFox>fxiny: yes
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13:38<BlackFox>I think I got a root terminal
13:39<fxiny>BlackFox: does "apt-cache policy aptitude" returns installed ?
13:39<BlackFox>one moment
13:39<knite>fxiny: you mean use procmail to call spamc on incoming mail, or use it also to filter after spamc tags the mails?
13:39<jaakko>knite: It is not mutts job jo check spam. You get mail, filter it with some program ->mbox and mutt reads mbox.
13:40<knite>i'm trying to understand how most sites use spamassassin..
13:40<knite>Looks to me that it only adds tags
13:40<knite>so i need something to filter and sort after that
13:41<BlackFox>fxiny: it returned some information: installed & candidate 0.4.4-4
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13:42<tingle>is it possible to run a application in the background whitout using a extern application like gnu-screen?
13:42<fxiny>knite: i use bogofilter now cause spamassassin is too heavy for my hardware . i used it long ago . now spamassassin has evolved following bogofilter baesyan math . my old procmail lines about spamassassin are too old
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13:44<fxiny>BlackFox: right so you can use it : by just typing aptitude or by typying the line : aptitude -s install kde kdm
13:45<fxiny>tingle: yes : your_app &
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13:45<tingle>fxiny: how will i get it in the forground again?
13:46<BlackFox>aptitude returned some errors about locked files, should I run su aptitude?
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13:46<fxiny>tingle: fg
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13:46<fxiny>BlackFox: locked files ? is synaptic running ?
13:47<tingle>fxiny: seems to work but if i close the terminal the porcess will be stoped too
13:47<BlackFox>Fxiny: do'h! you nailed it, I'll close synaptic and try again >.<
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13:53<fxiny>tingle: because it runs in that terminal background , that's why screen rulez
13:54<fxiny>tingle: say you want to use the terminal and run emacs : emacs & will let you use it
13:54<fxiny>tingle: but if you are running , like me , rtorrent you'd better fire screen up ;)
13:55<knite>hmm... looks like i already had procmail setup properly to filter after spamassassin... i just need to make the filter learn spam better
13:56<tingle>fxiny: hehe ill do that thanks for your help
13:56<fxiny>knite: my lines are #spam assassin 2.31 old
13:56<fxiny>tingle: np ;)
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14:01<hobophobe>err, I run 'command &' and close the terminal window all the time?
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14:02<khaize>Hi, would you guys know why 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg' only asks me about keyboard/mouse and not the rest of the X config? in sid.
14:02<hobophobe>or is that only a problem if you fg?
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14:07<fxiny>hobophobe: command & > jobs > fg 1 , ok ? try jobs after closing the terminal
14:07<khaize>The first time I ran it, it went well but after installing fluxbox and nvidia drivers it only asks me about keyboard/mouse and closes.
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14:09<jaakko>khaize: you installed proprietary driver on "unstable" version of debian and now you are asking help on #debian, heh
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14:11<khaize>jaakko: was hoping maybe someone had encountered the issue and knew a fix but ok.
14:11<khaize>anyway, is not a nvidia issue.
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14:12<vn>is there a migration tool to convert apache 1.3x httpd.conf to an apache2 httpd.conf?
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14:16<sime>have you guys ever tried the wacom products on linux?
14:16<khaize>are there any nice fonts for LCD screens?
14:21<sime>you have a lot of fonts there im sure you`ll find what yiou are looking for
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14:22<hobophobe>fxiny, thanks, didn't know how that all worked, guess no way to force a running process to join current terminal (setting its terminal process group ID)?
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14:25<hobophobe>apparently, "On Berkeley systems it is possible to places processes into any arbitrary process group using setpgrp"
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14:26<BlackFox>Gah... gnome is getting on my nerves, how do I switch to KDE? or even Fluxbox for that matter.
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14:29<Engy>aptitude install kde kdm
14:29<Engy>aptitude install kde kdm -gnome
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14:29<fxiny>that will remove gnome
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14:30<BlackFox>ah so will: aptitude install kde kdm -gnome, install KDE THEN remove Gnome?
14:30<jaakko>BlackFox: Do you have a login manager (prompt for user after boot)? I think you can select "KDE/Gnome/Fluxbox" in it. But if you installed "kdm" also, I think at next boot you will have it and KDE. Try Logout and check the choices.
14:30<fxiny>hobophobe: no idea , but your is an interesting question :)
14:30<dante>Wierdos (no offence :) )
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14:31<fxiny>BlackFox: yes . you did not ask for gnome removal
14:31<fxiny>BlackFox: you can run both
14:31<BlackFox>ok, yeah I want to remove Gnome and use KDE instead.
14:31<jaakko>If I remember correct, you can start "kde" from commandline too.
14:32<fxiny>BlackFox: why ? is wrong . you can remove gnome anytime
14:33<BlackFox>ok, the command: aptitude install kde kdm -gnome spit out an error: invalid option -- g
14:34<jaakko>BlackFox: Shouldn't you quit gnome before removing it?
14:34<jaakko>BlackFox: And then "aptitude remove gnome"
14:34<jaakko>BlackFox: Try to get the KDE running first
14:34<BlackFox>ok jaako, that probably would make more sence
14:36<BlackFox>i'm going to try and restart and get into a console and try from there instead of trying from the gui...
14:37<jaakko>BlackFox: if you installed "kdm", everything might be ready to go..
14:37<jaakko>BlackFox: reboot and see what happens
14:37<fxiny>no reboot just logout
14:38<jaakko>fxiny: does it change the display manager?
14:38<fxiny>don't forget to install kdm
14:38<BlackFox>I'm already rebooted to a console
14:38<fxiny>jaakko: it will log in kde
14:39<fxiny>it makes no sense : linux hates rebooting
14:39<BlackFox>ok ok, i'm at a console before it starts the gui
14:39<fxiny>debian takes care to tell you anytime you must reboot
14:39<jaakko>fxiny: yes, I know, really "have to", but it is simple if user does not know the system.
14:40<BlackFox>the single user mode option in grub spits you out to a console, I'm there.
14:40<BlackFox>no GUI loaded yet
14:40<fxiny>is not simple . just wait for the warning : no warning no reboot
14:40<BlackFox>from here, how do I remove gnome and install kde
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14:41<qq>do first 'startx'
14:41<BlackFox>startx will run the gui which will run Gnome..
14:41<BlackFox>from what i've seen..
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14:42<BlackFox>I want to remove gnome and install KDE
14:42<fxiny>BlackFox: nexzt time just do : ctrl alt f1 , ctrl alt f7 to go back
14:42<BlackFox>ok, i'll take note of that.
14:42<qq>cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
14:42<tq|Memphis>j #math
14:43<BlackFox>qq: No such file or directory
14:43<tq|Memphis>hmm math channel is on freenode right?
14:43<qq>cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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14:44<BlackFox>qq: /usr/bin/gdm
14:44<qq>ok, change to '/usr/bin/kdm'
14:45<fxiny>BlackFox: by this time you shold have already switched to kde by installing it while in gnome , and start removing gnome if you want from kde
14:45<BlackFox>fxiny... it didn't seem to work, thats why i'm at a console
14:45<fxiny>same for xfce4 or anything else
14:46<BlackFox>qq: change to directory /usr/bin/kdm ?
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14:46<fxiny>BlackFox: believe me , go back to gnome and run aptitude install kde kdm , then log out
14:46<BlackFox>Fxiny... it, did, not work....
14:46<fxiny>take the easy way
14:46<BlackFox>... i'll try it again
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14:47<fxiny>BlackFox: the invalid option -- g error ?
14:48<kop>BlackFox: You may need to do "aptitude update" and then "aptitude upgrade" or "aptitude dist-upgrade" before doing anything. If you're not up to date then installing new stuff can be a problem. (This is for etch/stable, I dunno about lenny or sid.)
14:48<fxiny>try without the -gnome part
14:48<BlackFox>how do I check to make sure my version of aptitude is up to date?
14:49<Druadan>g'day all
14:49<philipp>what have i to do to make GNOME standard instalation to an KDE standard installation
14:49<fxiny>BlackFox: i mean : you have a working desktop , right ? just use it to do anything you want , get rid of it later:)
14:49<Engy>it's gnome- then
14:50<BlackFox>fxiny: I want KDE instead gnome is.. odd....
14:50<Engy>can't rememver :)
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14:50<Engy>go in aptitude
14:50<kop>BlackFox: It's not your version of aptitude, it's you're version of everything. "aptitude update" brings your list of packages up to what's currently available. Then use the upgrade or dist-upgrade (if packages are being held back) to put newer packages on your box.
14:51<Engy>then go to tasks
14:51<Engy>End user
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14:52<BlackFox>kop: i ran aptitude update: "No packages will be installed, upgraded, etc.
14:52<BlackFox>I have a hunch it should be up to date
14:52<Druadan>Wonder if anyone can help me with this problem. Just installed a debian in an unused corner of one of my disks, for playing around with, and I've gone to install the nVidia drivers, for which I had to get gcc for. Problem is, during apt-get install gcc I'm being asked to put my netinst CD-ROM in to CD Rom 1, but it's not detecting it. Seems the system thinks I have two optical drives: my actual DVD-RW drive and this phantom CD Rom 1.
14:52<fxiny>BlackFox: is not odd . make sure kde is running fine before removing gnome
14:52<BlackFox>fxiny: ok, I'm trying to install kde.. for some strange reason I think i'm missing something.
14:53<chealer>philipp: what?
14:53<kop>Druadan : You need to comment out (or remove) the line for the cd in /etc/apt/sources.list. (and be sure you've got a line for some repository on the net so you can install stuff.)
14:53<zhengyi>Druadan: remove (or rather, comment out) the CD lines from your apt/sources.list
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14:53<zhengyi>Druadan: then a-g update
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14:54<fxiny>BlackFox: you can run many desktops : say you want to check xfce4 , are you going to remove kde ?
14:54<Druadan>okay cheers :) I'll see if I can manage that. thanks
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14:54<BlackFox>fxiny: I don't mind kde, fluxbox or xfce4... I just don't want gnome xD
14:55<BlackFox>fxiny: I just don't like Gnome, nothing personal. I just don't like it.
14:55<kop>Druadan : There's probably a gui way to do it with synaptic, but everybody here has most likely learned a text editor and then can do _anything_.
14:56<kop>BlackFox : You might want to keep it around anyhow, just so you don't have to individually re-install useful gnome programs when you want them.
14:56<fxiny>BlackFox: i'm not telling you to keep gnome i'm telling you to use gnome to install kde : is the easiest way , no reboot no terminal
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14:56<fxiny>BlackFox: i run fluxbox
14:56<BlackFox>Fxiny: ah, ok. How do I do that? ;)
14:56<Druadan>sweet. cheers guys/gals
14:57<fxiny>BlackFox: i told you long ago : open a gnome terminal and run : aptitude install kde kdm then log out , pyull down gdm menu and switch to kde
14:57*kop Wishes he ran fluxbox or something besides gnome/kde.
14:58<jaakko>kop: Openbox is nice
14:58<fxiny>kop: yeahhhh fluxbox rulez ;)
14:58<BlackFox>Fxiny, I did exactly that, nothing was installed, and there is no menu to switch to KDE.
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14:59<jaakko>BlackFox: What happened when you typed "aptitude install kde kdm"??
14:59<fxiny>BlackFox: are you sure ? apt-cache policy konqueror ?
14:59<kop>BlackFox: Try pressing ctrl-alt-backspace while at the gdm login prompt to restart X and pick up a new config.
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14:59<BlackFox>ok ok hold on guys
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15:00<jaakko>BlackFox: Installing KDE will download a punch of packages, so you really should notice if it is happening
15:00<fxiny>a wild bunch :P
15:01<BlackFox>yeah... I figured... but nothing happened so something didn't work.
15:01<kop>I like that: "a punch of packages"!
15:01<zhengyi>a punch of packages? is that like a murder of crows? :)
15:01<fxiny>BlackFox: your sources list ?
15:01<BlackFox>ok ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing.
15:02<fxiny>yahhh i like "punch of packages"
15:03<fxiny>i'll have a tangerine one :P
15:03<BlackFox>ok, i'm in Gnome. I'll open up a root console >.<
15:03<BlackFox>done, next?
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15:03<fxiny>you must be root to install
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15:04<BlackFox>ok, how do I switch to root then.
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15:04<BlackFox>just su?
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15:04<BlackFox>it just gave me another prompt
15:05<BlackFox>nothing happened
15:05<fxiny>we are all wainting to help you with the password :P
15:05<jaakko>BlackFox: but if you are in "root terminal", it is ok
15:05<jaakko>BlackFox: try "whoami"
15:05<bma>Anybody know of a way to get the current mouse acceleration under X11? I know it's settable via 'xset m', but I also want to check what it's currently set to.
15:05<BlackFox>I r Teh Root
15:05<BlackFox>lol whoami retured root
15:06<BlackFox>ok! now that it is established, I am Root
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15:06<qq>apt-get install kdm kde*
15:06<BlackFox>qq: exactly like that?
15:07<BlackFox>one sec
15:07<qq>1 2 3 ...
15:07<BlackFox>E: Broken Packages
15:07<fxiny>seen ?
15:07<BlackFox>it lists a bunch of stuff and dependancies but halts at the error...
15:08<qq>apt-get update
15:08<fxiny>make sure kde is running before removing gnome
15:08<BlackFox>running apt-get update, one sec.
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15:08<BlackFox>qq: Done
15:09<qq>apt-get install kdm kde*
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15:09<BlackFox>same error: E: Broken Packages
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15:10*BlackFox smashes his head into the keyboard
15:10<fxiny>which one ?
15:10<fxiny>BlackFox: aptitude -s install kde kdm
15:10<fxiny>-s -s -s
15:10<BlackFox>fxiny: one sec
15:11<fxiny>BlackFox: make sure your sources are ok
15:11<BlackFox>The following packages are BROKEN: kdebase-bin kdm
15:12<fxiny>it can't be : can you paste your sources ?
15:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
15:12<BlackFox>ok, where do I find a list of my sources?
15:12<BlackFox>I bet thats probably the problem.
15:12<fxiny>less /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:13<BlackFox>it lists two CD-Roms and two HTTP sources both from:
15:14<zhengyi>oh wow, if that's the case, you don't have a standard repo, so you've got no source for the pkgs
15:14<fxiny>BlackFox: comment out the cdrom lines >> #bla bla . run again aptitude update
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15:15<BlackFox>ah ok so how to I actually edit the sources.list file?
15:15<fxiny>vim /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:15<BlackFox>wait... # means comment right?
15:15<fxiny>vim is not really new user friendly use nano ...
15:15<BlackFox>... both CD-Rom sources are already commented out
15:16<jaakko>BlackFox: add this "deb etch main"
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15:16<BlackFox>eek.. I think i'm in a read only mode..
15:16<fxiny>two lines ? where's the > deb etch main contrib non-free ?
15:16<BlackFox>lol fxiny, i think thats my issue
15:17<BlackFox>I seem to be in a read-only mode in less xD
15:17<fxiny>BlackFox: echo "deb
15:17<zhengyi>blackfox: hit the 'v' key
15:17<fxiny> etch main contrib non-free
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15:17<zhengyi>BlackFox: that'll open up your editor from less
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15:17<fxiny>BlackFox: echo "deb etch main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
15:18<fxiny>just that
15:18<elia>can i ask a ubuntu question here??
15:18<elia>well it's xubuntu...
15:18<BlackFox>ok hold on... i'm STILL not able to edit that file in less, v only seems to select text..
15:18<jaakko>elia: if it is also debian question ;)
15:18<BlackFox>I figured it out I'll edit it now
15:19<zhengyi>BlackFox: well, I propbably told you wrong anyway; I just automatically open everything in vim normally anyway
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15:19<fxiny>BlackFox: type the line above echo including
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15:19<BlackFox>fxiny: what do I need to have in sources besides the two security links?
15:20<fxiny>BlackFox: one security
15:20<BlackFox>fxiny: right one deb the other deb-src
15:20<fxiny>lemme see
15:20<fxiny>!sources list
15:20<dpkg>from memory, sources list is a good sources.list (based on the previousone) is at
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15:21<fxiny>no no no
15:21<BlackFox>I want really reliable sources
15:21<tq|Memphis>omfg i wrote pascal triangle :/
15:21<tq|Memphis>fxiny say well done pls
15:21<elia>hum i just installed ndiswrapper with my wifi cars driver on it the inf file and all these stuffs but i still don' have the wifi and the blue "wifi" light on my computer is not blue as it should be.. The thing that i don't understant is that it workes whan i had ubuntu (now it is xubuntu)
15:21<fxiny>tq|Memphis: pascal ? wt4x !
15:21<tq|Memphis> 1
15:21<tq|Memphis> 1 1
15:21<tq|Memphis>1 2 1
15:21<tq|Memphis>1 3 3 1
15:22<tq|Memphis>going like that
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15:22<elia>tks fot helping! :)
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15:23<elia>no please i realy need help
15:23<jaakko>elia: try "ndiswrapper -l". What do you get?
15:23<BlackFox>... I still don't know what should be in my sources.list file..
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15:23<noflash>elia, /join #xubuntu @
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15:23<zhengyi>BlackFox: echo "deb etch main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
15:24<zhengyi>BlackFox: from your commanline, rather than the editor
15:24<BlackFox>oh... one sec then
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15:25<BlackFox>zhengyi: got it and checked it with cat, it's in!
15:26<fxiny>tq|Memphis: do you have enough programming docs ?
15:26<zhengyi>BlackFox: so now apt-get update
15:27<zhengyi>BlackFox: then go do your apt-get install for kde or whatever
15:27<zhengyi>BlackFox: you should be g2g
15:27<BlackFox>woots downloading!
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15:27<BlackFox>its updating :3, right on
15:27<BlackFox>thank zhengyi, thats one problem down xD
15:27<zhengyi>hey, thank fxiny too :)
15:27<fxiny>zhengyi: say again a punch of packages yeahhhhhhhhh :)
15:28<zhengyi>yeah, it should now be downloading a punch of packages :)
15:28<zhengyi>OK, off to lunch then
15:28<BlackFox>yup, its download a "punch of packages"
15:28<fxiny>tq|Memphis: are you in ?
15:29<bahamat>does anybody use LimitExcept in their apache config? I've got an etch system I just installed, and I'm trying to use LimitExcept, but it's not limiting anything
15:29<fxiny>kde downloads a "kunch" of packages :P
15:29<tq|Memphis>fxiny, no i'm at introduction to programing (at school) :/
15:29<bahamat>I'd like to see an example from someone that has it working if possible
15:29<tq|Memphis>but reading books working on it
15:30<fxiny>tq|Memphis: msg me pls
15:30<tq|Memphis>fxiny, k
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15:30<BlackFox>there we go ok, simulation seem to work, so I should be able to run: aptitude install kdm kde*
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15:40<hoopy>i have netatalk running on my machine and i can connect and authenticate... i can write to the share -- but i can't seem to read from it
15:40<hoopy>it's as though it's write only and i have the user that is connecting to it in the rwlist
15:41<panagos>will i get a performance boost if i use a usb flash drive as swap alongside with my normal swap partition?
15:41<jaakko>panagos: probaply not, usb is slow
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15:41<jaakko>panagos: and flash is too
15:42<ybeddyj>i keep getting this error when i use make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
15:42<ybeddyj>====== making stamp-configure because of ======
15:42<ybeddyj>The changelog says we are creating ..
15:42<ybeddyj>However, I thought the version is 2.6.25-rc6
15:42<ybeddyj>exit 4
15:42<ybeddyj>make: *** [sanity_check] Error 4
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15:43<panagos>jaakko: but doesn't vista do it? with readyboost or something? i thought it could worth the while...
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15:43<ybeddyj>any help would be great'
15:43<jaakko>panagos: is your swap too small? My swap is not even in use. see "free -m"
15:43<c0b1>hi guys
15:44<panagos>jaakko: my system currently uses 620MB of swap :|
15:45<c0b1>I'm thinking of switching from gentoo to debian and I wonder if there are many differences between gentoo and debian besides compilation of every package?
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15:45<jaakko>ybeddyj: I have 800, used 0, free 800
15:45<jaakko>panagos: how much do you have it?
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15:46<noflash>!tell c0b1 why debian
15:46<fxiny>old crappy cpu low mem : swap is almost useless > 506036 used 36588
15:46<LaicepS>ybeddyj, which way did you follow to compile your kernel ?
15:46<taypan>i am instaling debian, instalation is without problem but during firts boot i am getting: hdc: lost interrupt, hda: lost interrupt and same. What i do wrong?
15:47*BlackFox loves crappy machines little 400 mhz boxes make him smile :D
15:47<fxiny>BlackFox: 400 PII rulez :)
15:47<BlackFox>Fxiny: I preferr the 500 P3 or the AMD-K6 2 xD
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15:48<BlackFox>though.. I do have some sub 500 boxes and their just fine, they get some lovin' too :3
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15:48<BlackFox>yay kde is done installing, now... i should have to restart but what do I do to get to KDE?
15:49<jaakko>ybeddyj: I had something like that when compiled and then changed things and tried again. I just started again, cp fresh source and got it compiled. There has to be a better way but...
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15:50<fxiny>logout from gnome and pull down gdm menu
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15:51<fxiny>is kdm installed ?
15:51<BlackFox>... where is he gdm menu... >.<
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15:51<BlackFox>yeah it seemed to install just fine
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15:54<ybeddyj>i download the source extract it went into the folder then i did make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
15:55<panagos>jaakko: i have about 2.8GB :D
15:56<panagos>(basically i'm awaiting for kde4 with its alleged memory improvements :D - about 30%)
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15:56<jaakko>ybeddyj: do you have a ".config" file in source? did you configure it?
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15:57<BlackFox>d'oh ok... I'll have to bug you guys later, kde seem to be installed but i don't know how to switch to it... XD
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16:04<istoc>Hi, I'm trying to get a JRE to run on lenny PPC. I've tried sun-java5-jre but it has a really negative score and doesn't install anything. Which package should I use?
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16:06<abrotman>i don't think there is a sun-java5-jre for ppc
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16:13<RoboIRC>hi all
16:13<RoboIRC>need helpwith a question involving knoppix
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16:13<RoboIRC>i am trying to change the read write mode of a hdd in knoppix
16:13<RoboIRC>how do i dothat
16:13<RoboIRC>can i do that
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16:14<abrotman>RoboIRC: ask #knoppix on
16:14<oxymor00n>mount -o remount,rw /mnt/blabla
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16:16<RoboIRC>operation not permitted
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16:18<oxymor00n>been ages since i have used knoppix, but you probably need to su or sudo su first
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16:28<uldics>could anyone tell me how to resolve package dependencies stopping me to move from etch to lenny? I have installed .deb files from other places than official sources (like skype, few games and so). Now my sources list only has official debian testing and debian-multimedia testing in it.
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16:31<tchaska>anybody knows how to uninstall vmware on debian?
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16:33<chealer>uldics: not without knowing which packages dependencies do that.
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16:37<uldics>that is the problem. I cant see, which packages do that. apt-get dist-upgrade just says dependencies problems and quits. Aptitude dist-upgrade gets 5 errors, tries harder. after few trie harder gets 7 dependencies problems, later 11. Then I got tired and not tried harder (half an hour pushing enter)
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16:49<jaakko>tchaska: aptitude remove vmware (?)
16:50<jaakko>tchaska: how did you install it?
16:50<fxiny>vmware installs a perl script for it
16:51<fxiny>just run it
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16:53<panagos>how can i listen to embedded midi in firefox?
16:54<panagos>(aka iceweasel)
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17:07<NigBot>I want to take a niggger bitch, impregnate her, keep her milk production up, and sell nigggger milk and cheese. Some of them have titts bigger than udders....anybody want to enslave some nigggger bitttches for my nigggger dairy.....they are fucckkkable too
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17:10<kstar>Hi. I'm trying to preseed the debian installer. I want to run some interactive post-install tasks in the target at the end. How do I do that?
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17:21<jaakko>kstar: doesn't google tell?
17:21<jaakko>kstar: Not here?
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17:24<kstar>jaakko: Just a minute
17:25<kstar>jaakko: That link looks familiar
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17:25<kstar>jaakko: Yes... that tells me how to run commands after installation
17:25<kstar>kstar: But I want to run them in-target
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17:25<kstar>jaakko: But I want to run them in-target
17:26<kstar>jaakko: Which means they can't be interactive commands.
17:26<kstar>jaakko: Right?
17:27<jaakko>I don't think there is "interactive" and "non interactive" commands. You just choose what you use.
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17:30<jaakko>kstar: "You can chroot to /target and use it
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17:30<jaakko># directly, or use the apt-install and in-target commands"
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17:31<jaakko>kstar: sounds pretty interactive
17:31<tq|Memphis>gn all
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17:33<CQ>hello, i have a question... I have a pcmcia card that needs the poldhu driver, i installed pcmcia-source and linux source, compiled and make isntalled it, but it still doesn#t recognize the card...
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17:33<CQ>any ideas?
17:35<jaakko>CQ: did you try to "modprobe driver"?
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17:35<jaakko>(eg modprobe poldhu)
17:35<CQ>says pcmcia-cs not found... how do I get it loaded?
17:35<CQ>same for poldhu
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17:36<CQ>cardctrl ident shows the card
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17:36<CQ>do I need to add it to /etc/init/config ?
17:37<CQ>sorry, /etc/pcmcia/config
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17:37<jaakko>are you sure the name of the driver is "poldhu"?
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17:38<CQ>its in /use/src/poldhu...
17:38<CQ>for an old 3com pcmcia card
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17:39<CQ>google for 3com poldhu
17:39<jaakko>CQ: try to find the driver manually, is it /usr/src/poldhu.ko?
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17:40<CQ>, yes
17:40<jaakko>modprobe looks only /usr/lib/modules.
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17:40<jaakko>try "insmod /usr/src/poldhu.ko"
17:41<CQ>there is no /usr/lib/modules on my machine...
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17:41<jaakko>well, what ever, try to install the driver manually, if you can find it.
17:41<CQ>insmod worked, now its listed in ifconfig
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17:42<CQ>now I need to set up the card for dhcp and get it to do this automatically...
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17:44<jaakko>CQ: it is actually "/lib/modules/your-kernel/" You could put the file there.
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17:46<jaakko>CQ: Then try if modprobe finds it. "modprobe -r poldhu" and "modprobe poldhu". If it founds, it will get loaded next boot automatically, I think.
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17:47<CQ>doesn't find it, tried both poldhu and poldhu_cs
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17:48<jaakko>CQ: try depmod
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17:49<CQ>ok, now it modprobe says the module is in use...
17:50<jaakko>CQ: add "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in your network /etc/network/interfaces
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17:50<jaakko>CQ: then it should be all done
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17:51<jaakko>CQ: ..and "auto eth0" (or what ever is your eth?)
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17:52<CQ>strange, eth0 is not in there (that's the LAN socket) but it uses dhcp and works...
17:53<jaakko>CQ: Are you using gnome?
17:54<jaakko>CQ: Some other program may configure it. I guess you have some GUI menu you can use.
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17:55<CQ>hm, let's see what knetworkmanager dows...
17:56<kstar>jaakko: Atleast didn't work on the consoles for me
17:56<jaakko>CQ: easier to test on command line anyway. And if you are going to use 2 cards, routing... I think it is better to do from command line.
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17:56<jaakko>kstar: what happened?
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17:57<jaakko>kstar: what was your command?
17:57<kstar>jaakko: While installing on the virtual machine, I tried to run interactive command with in-target
17:57<kstar>jaakko: Looked like interactive commands wouldn't work
17:57<kstar>jaakko: Atleast no output is shown
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17:58<jaakko>kstar: do you see anything when the installer runs?
18:00<kstar>jaakko: I haven't yet tested it with the installer. Am doing that now... but atleast I couldn't do that on the shell, so I supposed it wouldn't be possible with the installer as well.
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18:03<bighornram>how do I boot from cd so I can use parted?
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18:06<jaakko>bighornram: boot cd and press f1 for help
18:06<jaakko>bighornram: Live cd would be easier
18:07<bighornram>have both.
18:07<jaakko>ok, so is there some difficult booting live cd, and starting parted?
18:08<bighornram>yea complained it didn't have that command
18:08<jaakko>you better make sure swap is not in use. Type swapoff after live-cd boot.
18:08<jaakko>bighornram: how about gparted?
18:08<bighornram>also then what will be the password used for administrator in live cd?
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18:09<jaakko>bighornram: isn't there "root shell"?
18:09<jaakko>bighornram: if not, try google
18:09<bighornram>when I started gparted it prompted for a password.
18:10<jaakko>what live cd is it?
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18:15<CQ>jaakko, thanks for the help... just need to figure out how kubuntu configures encrypted wireless nets...
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18:16<jaakko>CQ: don't you have "network-manager" installed?
18:17<jaakko>CQ: it shows the wireless networks and asks for password if encrypted. But I don't remember if it supports wpa.
18:18<avu>it does. in debian anyway.
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18:29<CQ>jaakko: its installed and running, getting some ideas from teh #kubuntu people right now...
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18:37<jcarmonal>Hola, a todos, como está
18:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:03<jaakko>kstar: /quit Good night and happy hacking!
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19:11<vook>I have a few problems with my kernel - wondering if anyone may be able to find some glaring mistakes in the config file. I just upgraded to 1.25gb of memory, yet this kernel only finds about 900MB (stock debian kernels see all 1.25gb)
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19:11<ifvoid>vook: you need high mem support
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19:11<vook>For 1.25gb?
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19:11<ifvoid>vook: yes
19:12<vook>ifvoid: no kidding, thanks.
19:12<vook>I thought that would only be required for > 4gb...
19:12<ifvoid>vook: yeah well
19:13<ifvoid>the uppr 3GB is used for other stuff
19:13<vook>if you see anything else in there that's wacky let me know.
19:14<omar>écrie a la langue franncai
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19:16<omar>la vie et les spaces gigantex
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19:18<dpkg>well, debian-fr is an association giving you some documentation:
19:21<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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19:29<slaq>hi all
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19:43<windio00>they are getting rid of an old dell poweredge 2500 server still under warranty for $290 . . . would debian run well on it?
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19:47<abrotman>need more specs
19:47<abrotman>and likely yes
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19:50<windio00>abrotman, intel pentium iii 1 Ghz, 1.0 GB ecc sdram six expansion slots: 5 x64 bit / 100 / 66MhZ pci-x, 1x32bit pcipci ultra320 lvd scsi controller
19:51<abrotman>yeah .. it'll be fine
19:52<windio00>abrotman, it comes with 6x36 and 2x18GB hot swappables ultra 160SCSI3 drives
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19:53<windio00>abrotman, do you think i could throw a ide drive onto it with more storage?
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19:54<windio00>abrotman, thought it would make an awesome home fileserver :)
19:55<windio00>and web server
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19:56<abrotman>windio00: i would guess .. you'd have to see if it has an IDE controller
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19:56<windio00>abrotman, nope not listed . . . but there is an open pci slot
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19:57<abrotman>wait til you get debian installed .. lspci .. it might be in the system but not on the spec sheet
19:58<windio00>abrotman, should have gotten the serial number while i was at the store, they are giving 10 of them away
19:58<k-man__>i want to build a package from unstable source on testing, but when i run apt-get build-deb it just says build dependencies could not be met
19:58<windio00>sears just upgraded and there is still 630 days left
19:59<k-man__>it doesn't tell me why not, is there any way to get more info?
19:59<windio00>under next day business
19:59<windio00>i wonder if the scsi drives accidentally broke if they would give me new ones
19:59<lupine>k-man__: apt-get build-dep <package>
20:00<lupine>you need a myriad of -dev packages to build stuffs
20:01<k-man__>lupine, but when i do that it just days "build deps could not be met"
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20:02<lupine>k-man__: so it couldn't find them
20:02<lupine>which package is it?
20:03<k-man__>lupine, well , ifigured that, but how do i find out whats missing so i can fix it?
20:03<k-man__>mythtv - its not in the official tree
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20:04<kop>dpkg: multimedia
20:04<dpkg>i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
20:04<kop>k-man__ : That's where mythtv is.
20:05<k-man__>kop, yes, i have that repository in my sources.list
20:05<lupine>could well be that the repo is generally broken
20:05<lupine>but if you download the source package you can work on it from there
20:06<k-man__>lupine, ah, ok
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20:14<bighornram>I am booted to a rescue CD, am in console, what command do I use to mount my boot partition? I keep getting invalid arguement with mount /dev/sda10 /mnt/mydisk
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20:15<dondelelcaro>bighornram: does /mnt/mydisk exist? is /dev/sda10 the real device node?
20:16<bighornram>yes yes
20:16<dondelelcaro>bighornram: you also may need to mount -t ext3 /dev/sda10 /mnt/mydisk; since mount in busybox may not do auto-detection.
20:17<bighornram>thankyou that did it
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20:22<bighornram>am now in a chroot on the boot partition, grub-install /dev/sda replies /usr is broken; fix before calling this wrapper. how would I fix it?
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20:30<Villarroel_>Sorry, I don't know if my previous message was send. I have edited smb.conf (re-started it) to include the line authentication=user and disabled encryptation. And I visit \\privatenetip from Windows, and get a login window, I log in with my Debian user and password, but nothing happens...
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20:31<Engy>try going directly to a share
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20:35<LefTrouser>Does anyone have any suggestions on choosing a distro to run a server ?
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20:37<abrotman>LefTrouser: you're in #debian .. guess what we will tell you
20:37<LefTrouser>OK , whaere do I download ?
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20:46<abrotman>!tell LefTrouser about d-i
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20:52*vjoe bye
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20:54<Jflesch>LefTrouser: ?
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20:55<Jflesch>arh :
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21:03<LefTrouser>noflash , THankx . Is it possible to get debian with bittorrents ?
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21:29<bighornram>Howdy! Is there a snapshot of sid amd64 CD available somewhere?
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21:32<chealer>bighornram: no
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21:34<LefTrouser>Good Bye everyone !
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21:35<bighornram>chealer: resizing / didn't work out. reinstalling :(
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21:39<ZeQuIeL>hay alguien ak?
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21:44<chealer>!tell ZeQuIeL about es
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21:50<Engy>is it normal that root can't read from a via fusesmb mounted smb share?
21:52<bma>Engy, I'm not sure about fusesmb, but sshfs (which is also fuse) doesn't allow root to access it by default, IIRC. There may be a mount option to enable it.
21:53<Engy>ah, that's why
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21:53<Engy>tried a suco cp ... to a place not writable by the user and got errors
21:54<Engy>but does make sense
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21:59<hmoobmua>hello all... new to debian.. can somebody give me a good site that will give me information how to install java SDK?
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22:00<Requiem>install it off the repo?
22:00<dpkg>i guess java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
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22:00<Requiem>!tell hmoobmua about install java
22:01<Requiem>that should do it for you
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22:06<bighornram>am installing lenny amd64, intend to upgrade to sid, if I de-select the desktop environment, is there a way to include it in the upgrade process?
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22:08<hmoobmua>thx alot buddy
22:09<hmoobmua>with all these infos, I might get addicted lol
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22:10<Engy>why do you want to deselect?
22:11<Engy>you mean if you do not install directly?
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22:11<Engy>well, after you upgraded you can select all packages you want from the new repository, incluing the ones you didn't have before
22:11<Engy>so a minimal install is sufficient - just enough to boot and be able to access the internet
22:12<bighornram>Engy: to make the initial install (lenny)'s footprint smaller, then just do the upgrade to sid. I think there are major changes from lenny to sid (amd64). ;) That is what I chose. minimal/laptop.
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22:13<Engy>all packages that are stable enough for 10 days (and do not depend on stuff that's not in lenny) go automatically to lenny
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22:13<Engy>sid is just debians variant of bleeding edge
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22:14<Engy>!tell bighornram about sid
22:14<hmoobmua>actually my java is still not working
22:14<hmoobmua>I can't play java games
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22:14<Engy>have you installed the java-plugins package?
22:14<dpkg>methinks java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
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22:15<hmoobmua>oh so it's java plugins to play the games?
22:15<Engy>got me last week too that problem
22:15<hmoobmua>sheeesh I'm so new at java
22:15<Engy>but those need the jre anyways, iirc
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22:17<Engy>sun-java5-plugin and sun-java6-plugin
22:17<Engy>is what i have installed
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22:17<hmoobmua>I don't see it in depo
22:17<miksuh>sun-java5-plugin if you are using etch
22:17<miksuh>ofcourse sun java6 is in
22:17<Engy>lenny has both
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22:18<Engy>and are not mutually exclusive, so i didn't know if one needs both
22:18<hmoobmua>I actually would like some java games like poker online to work lol
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22:19<hmoobmua>I've tried downloading it, installing it and tested java games online and it didn't work, so I am not sure what I did wrong or what I need to get
22:20<hmoobmua>thx folks, I'll try some other things.. thx for your tips and help
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22:23<Requiem>will OEM restore cds install onto a VM?
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22:25<ranix>that kind of depends on the contents of the restore cd Requiem
22:26<Requiem>it's a full image
22:27<Requiem>restore to the way it came out of the factory
22:27<ranix>that would be unusual
22:27<ranix>usually the manufacturer of an oem computer makes a small 1-2gb image in its own partition, and the restore cd just re-images the drive with it
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22:33<madman>is there a howto for a kernel rebuild
22:33<madman>i think mine is old 2.6-18-6-686
22:33<madman>or upgrade
22:33<Requiem>I can run a VM off a regular partition though can't I
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22:36<madman>what do you mean requiem
22:36<madman>your vm machine with an external partition?
22:36<Requiem>iirc, you can load the VM from a regular OS partition, that may only apply to xen though (not much use in this case)
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22:37<madman>well you can move the vmdk's elsewhere
22:37<madman>but i think you already know that
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22:39<Requiem>ok, that'd work, but it make backing up a pain and I'd need NTFS ability
22:39<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>
22:39<Requiem>2.6-18 is normal for stable
22:40<madman>has it been patched for the vulnerability?
22:40<Requiem>which vuln?
22:40<abrotman>the vmsplice ?
22:40<abrotman>yes .. as of -6- it was fixed
22:41<madman>thank you very much gentlemen
22:41<Requiem>the people who manage debian security are obsessive to the point of psychosis about it
22:42<madman>i am a little bit rusty
22:42<madman>but i am glad that i am back in that business.
22:44<madman>well ill brb
22:44<madman>thanks for the information
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22:49<Antunes>Oi pessoal
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22:53<Engy>eso ich fürher öfter rebootet habe....
22:53<Engy>ich weiss wieso warum ... oben einfügen
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23:01<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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23:02<munra>i am testing irssi
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23:08<bighornram>To upgrade from lenny-amd64 to sid-amd64 sources.list points to the sid main address? One doesn't have to specify amd64 anymore in the address?
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23:28<taranto>What upgrade libc6?
23:30<taranto>libc6 (>= 2.6-1)
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23:30<taranto>MrNaz, you can't help-me?
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23:30<Woet>How to set up SSH to only allow certain IP's to connect?
23:31<MrNaz>taranto why would you think that i can help you?
23:31<abrotman>Woet: iptables is a decent way
23:31<Woet>hmm, abrotman, i tried that
23:31<Woet>but i cant specify to only allow xx, xx, xx to connect
23:32<Woet>or im just being stupid basicly, which will be the problem
23:32<taranto>abrotman, you cant help me?
23:32<kop>Woet: Why not? You should be able to allow some and deny everybody else.
23:32<abrotman>Woet: sure you can
23:32<abrotman>taranto: withwhat? you didn't ask a question
23:32<Woet>Could someone hand me a example command to only allow a few IP's to connect?
23:32<Woet>and how to add a IP to that list
23:33<kop>Woet : You might want to tell us what you're trying to accomplish. There may be a better way.
23:33<taranto>abrotman, im need upgrade libc6 for libc6 (>= 2.6-1) what command for upgrade?
23:33<Woet>kop: Im trying to accomplish that only my home and work IP may connect to SSH
23:33<abrotman>that doesn't make sense
23:33<Woet>im already using a non-default SSH port, but that isnt perfectly sagfe.
23:33<abrotman>taranto: what's wrong with your libc?
23:33<Woet>safe *
23:34<taranto>abrotman, my libc 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5.
23:34<kop>Woet: You want to be perfectly safe, disallow password logins and use only public/private key pairs.
23:34<Woet>no, i just dont want others to connect with SSH
23:34<Woet>they can connect with FTP, and i have locked them in their home directory with FTP
23:35<abrotman>taranto: so what. .. that's fine
23:35<Woet>but since such thing doesnt exist for SSH, i need to find something else
23:35<kop>Woet: I'm talking ssh. Tell sshd no passwords.
23:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:35<Woet>How will I be able to login then?
23:35<abrotman>Woet: use keys
23:35<taranto>abrotman, but im need upgrade. you cant help?
23:35<kop>Woet: You generate yourself a key and put it anywhere you want to login from. The good part is then you don't need to type a password either.
23:35<Woet>I just want to allow only a few ip's to login into SSH, please explain me how to acomplish so.
23:36<abrotman>taranto: i don't understand why you need to upgrade
23:36<kop>Woet: Ok. But that's less safe. Hang on. (If it comes down to iptables you probably don't want to listen to me because I can't write those offhand.)
23:36<Woet>Thank you.
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23:37<taranto>abrotman, ok listening, bcm43xx-fwcutter dep:: libc6 (>= 2.6-1);
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23:38<taranto>abrotman, understand now?
23:39<abrotman>!depends bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
23:39<dpkg>bcm43xx-fwcutter: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
23:39<abrotman>seems like it should work to moe
23:40<kop>Woet: I'm thinking about turning pam on in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and then using pam to turn on tcpwrapper and use /etc/hosts.allow. But I think it's easier to use iptables. Hang on.
23:40<Woet>ty for all your help
23:40<Woet>i appreciate it a lot :)
23:40<taranto>abrotman, But I do not know I eat to make the update of libc6 I understand?
23:41<kop>Woet : You pasted your iptables somewhere. (I could read and fix better than coming up with my own.)
23:41<abrotman>taranto: you shouldn't need one .. i'm not sure what you did
23:41<Woet>kop: i didnt, but how to paste them?
23:41<kop>!tell Woet -about pastebin
23:41<Woet>I know
23:41<Woet>but how to get the data you want? :)
23:42<taranto>!update libc6
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23:42<kop>Woet : I'm so iptables cluess I forget where they live in /etc/. (iptables -L should get you a list of your current rules, I think.)
23:43<Woet>it has some private data
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23:43<Woet>but they are apache spammers anyways
23:46<kop>Woet: Ok, here goes....
23:48<kop>Woet: iptables -A INPUT --dport 22 -s x.x.x.x -j ALLOW ; (repeated for those IPs you want to allow) ; iptables -A INPUT --dport 22 -j DENY
23:48<Woet>ty! :)
23:48<kop>Woet: You probably also want "-p tcp" in there too.
23:48<Woet>iptables v1.3.6: Unknown arg `--dport'
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23:50<Woet>kop -> i think i already managed it
23:50<Woet>let me check
23:51<kop>Woet: And you don't want port 22 if you're using some custom port.
23:51<Woet>I know
23:51<Woet>I added it using Webmin (very handy tool)
23:51<Woet>and it seems to be working!
23:52<kop>Woet: For testing (and maybe for other reasons) you might want to use REJECT instead of DENY.
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23:52<kop>Woet: Any clue where it lives in /etc/? I should know this...
23:52<Woet>let me have a look
23:53<kop>Woet: And what was wrong with --dport?
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23:53<Woet>kop: iptables.up.rules
23:53<Woet>and it didnt regonize --dport
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23:54<kop>Woet: It wanted --destination-port ?
23:54<Woet>im not sure
23:54<Woet>i didnt add it via that command after all
23:54<Woet>i used Webmin
23:55<Woet>its a very easy to use graphical interface
23:55<Woet>for iptables for example
23:55<Woet>kop: could I pm you?
23:55<Woet>i need someone to test if the IP limitation is working
23:57<kop>Woet: Ah, to use --dport you also need -m multiport (I think.)
23:57<Woet>Ah, k.
23:57<kop>Woet: Uh, ok.
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