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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-03-22

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00:00<kop>Woet: The only trouble with stuff like webmin is that nobody knows how to do a good gui yet, so the gui interfaces keep changing. Learn to use the command line and config files and you're effort is rewarded by rarely becoming obsolete.
00:00<Woet>Im using the command line a lot, for most things
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00:01<Woet>Thanks for your excellent help kop! :)
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00:17<mohaakilla51>hello?
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00:22<il3dsm>hey, does anyone know if it is possible to download and install a program from a browser without users consent using a java applet? Wondering for the sake of a forum argument.
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00:22<Requiem>it is very very possible
00:23<Requiem>IE has dozens of holes, and while FF is better, its still got some
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00:24<mohaakilla51>hello?
00:24<mohaakilla51>anybody there?
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00:24<p_quarles>yes, +1 to what Requiem said; Java allows the execution of code, so is always going to be a target for exploits, no matter what browser you use
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00:25<p_quarles>of course, if you follow normal security procedures in Debian, it will only run with the user's privileges, which limits the amount of damage it could substantially
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00:29<il3dsm>I understand the root procedure, but if such things are possible (launching a .exe or .whatever using a java applet), then how come all "bad" sites are trying to shove a download link in my face instead of silently downloading and launching it without me aware?
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00:29<Engy>is there a program that finds duplicate files and maes hardlinks out of them?
00:31<Requiem>a lot of bad sites do multiples
00:31<il3dsm>multiples? What's that?
00:31<p_quarles>il3dsm: just because it's possible doesn't mean there are any unpatched exploits in the current Java -- social engineering attacks are always easier
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00:31<Requiem>and not everyone is skilled enough to pull it off
00:32<Requiem>also: see the effectiveness of Storm Worm for what wetware exploits are capable of
00:32<il3dsm>hmm, thanks
00:33<el_elegido>hola a todos
00:33<p_quarles>exactly -- why bother finding an obscure exploit when you can build a gigantic botnet with simple spam
00:34<Requiem>the good news is, people who are good at social shit are bad at exploits
00:34<il3dsm>lol
00:34<Requiem>so really horrifying things, like storm worm style spam with infected pdfs, don't happen much
00:36<Requiem>how do I burn an iso from the command line
00:37<p_quarles>cdrecord, iirc
00:37<Engy>yes
00:37<Requiem>cdrecord got replaced by something else
00:38<Engy>wodim
00:38<p_quarles>you're right -- wodim, I think
00:38<il3dsm>pretty scary, but I guess it's too improbable to catch something like Nuxbee to worry about it.
00:39<il3dsm>which makes me wonder, is it necessary to run an anti-malware program on a linux machine, and do those that find Linux-oriented viruses exist?
00:39<Requiem>yes
00:39<Requiem>though the linux blacklist is really short
00:39<Requiem>~100 iirc
00:42<p_quarles>the best defense (in win and *nix) is to not run networking apps as root/admin -- malware scanners only protect you from known threats
00:42<gsimmons>Engy: You could use 'fdupes' to determine duplicates, then pass the output to a script to remove and hardlink.
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00:42<vook>cdrdao too
00:43<Engy>and how do i do that?
00:43<Engy>i only know the manual version of it....
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00:43<Engy>and why doesn't fdupes have something like that built-in?
00:43<Engy>ok, I'll go looking in bugreports if its on the wishlist already :)
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00:44<gsimmons>Engy: There's a wishlist bug already (#284274). I can provide you with an example script at a pastebin.
00:45<Engy>would be really nice
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00:45<Engy>i don't like to do one myself at this time of day :)
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00:46<Engy>i found a prog on the net for doing that
00:46<Engy>but when the second release sid "no mor problems with spces in filenames" i wonder what other bugs are in there....
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00:46<el_elegido>alguien en español
00:47<p_quarles>!es
00:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:47<gsimmons>Engy: http://paste.debian.net/51611. YMMV.
00:48<Engy>thankyou
00:49<Engy>perl in a shellskript :)
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01:00<vook>Ok - I just registered a domain for what I think could be a cool project. dotconfig.org - my hope is to set up a site where people can select the model of their computer/laptop, etc, and find good kernel configs.
01:07<vook>I'll say no more - we'll need web space. Anyone with ideas can contact me directly at djgregor@rootshell.be - I'd like to create a group project. fun fun :)
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01:12<imperia>vook: sounds like nice idea
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01:16<vook>:) I think so too. It could be like a wiki. Every model of (proprietary) hardware must have some ideal kernel (depending on it's needs of course). We could all collaborate our configs and the best would win out!
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01:24<freakNusty>wow
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01:24<freakNusty>is anyone here
01:25<Xenguy>no
01:25<Xenguy>we are but ghosts in the machine
01:26<freakNusty>ok cool...im familiar with sendmail but is there a better choice out there?
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01:26<gsimmons>!mta comparison
01:26<dpkg>i heard mta comparison is http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
01:26<vook>or spirts in the material world...
01:27<Xenguy>heheh
01:27<freakNusty>thanks dpkg
01:27<dpkg>bitte, freakNusty
01:27<freakNusty>lol
01:27<freakNusty>is that a bot
01:27<freakNusty>!mta comparison
01:27<dpkg>i guess mta comparison is http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
01:27<freakNusty>cool
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01:32<Xenguy>.oO(they're wrong, the answer is postifx :P )
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01:42<Requiem>and the mouse isn't moving right
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01:49<Requiem>where is the xorg.conf file?
01:50<Requiem>nm
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01:51<craigevil>in /etc/X11
01:52<Klalofudo>how can i install knoppix on hdd? knx-hdInstall in root shell didnt work!
01:53<craigevil>why would you want to? it isnt really made to be installed
01:55<Klalofudo>but there is manual in knoppix.ru. which mistake i made?
01:55<craigevil>Knoppix is designed & intended to be used as a GNU/Linux LiveCD and not a HD installed Linux distro.>http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Hd_Install_HowTo
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01:56<Klalofudo>For information about knoppix, and installing it to hard disk, please refer to www.knoppix.net or visit the knoppix IRC channel on irc.freenode.net #knoppix
01:56<craigevil>then go to #knoppix this is #debian
01:57<Klalofudo>Sorry and thanks :)
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02:08<MrNaz_>does debian testing have kde4 in its repo ?
02:08<MrNaz_>or 3?
02:09<p_quarles>MrNaz_: it's in Experimental (KDE4, that is)
02:09<MrNaz_>right
02:09<MrNaz_>yea... i think i'll stick to kubuntu for desktop
02:09<MrNaz_>and debian for servers
02:12<MrNaz_>i love debian, and i'm so happy that there's a desktop distro with all the lovely debianesqueness
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02:37<Requiem>okay, how do I do wireless in linux?
02:38<Requiem>the driovers are installed, the card is on, knetworkmanager does not seem to do anything useful...
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02:55<Requiem>anyone?
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03:15<Requiem>ok
03:15<Requiem>hardware is detected
03:15<Requiem>no networking tools see it though...
03:16<kapil>Requiem: what does "iwconfig" show?
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03:17<Requiem>'no wireless extentions' on 4 devices (lo, eth0 eth1, and sit0)
03:17<Requiem>eth0 is my firewire, eth1 is my ethernet
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03:20<CQ>how exactly do ubuntu and kubuntu work, they take debian's archive and system, preconfigure it and add gnome/kde and change some bootups, or is there more to it?
03:23<gsimmons>Requiem: What wireless device do you have?
03:23<Requiem>intel pro wireless 3945
03:23<Requiem>CQ: no, that's about right
03:23<Requiem>according to dmesg, the driver loads properly at bootup
03:23<CQ>i just managed to kill a kubuntu system with one apt command...
03:24<gsimmons>!tell Requiem -about ipw3945
03:24<CQ>trying to understand if that's a kubuntu or a debian bug...
03:24<Requiem>ipw3945d I missed...
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03:25<suiside>!ubuntu
03:25<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
03:25<CQ>!kubuntu
03:25<dpkg>well, kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
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03:26<Requiem>wooo
03:26<CQ>!based on debian
03:26<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
03:26<Requiem>eth2 exists now
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03:32<Requiem>woot
03:32<Requiem>thanks gsimmons
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03:32<gsimmons>Requiem: np
03:32<Requiem>now if only the thing hadn't just started overheating...
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03:32<Requiem>hardware I can deal with though
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03:38<Requiem>hardware problem is also the hard drive :(
03:38<Requiem>least it's a cheap part
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04:13<mysupper>님들 하염
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04:14<CRINGO>:O
04:14<CRINGO>bless you
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04:18<zobel>!jp
04:18<dpkg>somebody said jp was Japan
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04:25<alaya>yeah, i don't think hangul is japanese though
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04:37<mysupper>Oh, Sorry. I am just confused with korean irc winow.
04:37<mysupper>Anyway, alaya, are you korean?
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04:41<alaya>mysupper: hi. i'm not but wish i were. i love korean.
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04:41<mysupper>alaya, that's weired . you said as if you know the core part of Korea.
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04:42<mysupper>I have hardly seen even one korean who knows the cores of Korea.
04:42<alaya>really? thank you. i don't know, just had several korean friends :-)
04:43<mysupper>alaya, I wish they really had a real korean mind.
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04:46<dli>but this is #debian
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04:46<mysupper>dli, OK.
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04:52<kevin>hello
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05:06<angelo>Hi, My debian box runs smoothly, but had nor the monitor or gfx card to run X. Now I need to clean up and move ALOT of files on this box and that goes 1000x faster in a graphical enviroment... Is it possible to connect to X on this box via a windows machine.. and kind of like remote control the box ??
05:06<CQ>angelo use one of the VNCs ?
05:07<angelo>well problem is for vnc you just actually remote control the box its keyboard and mouse .. but since the box does not have the gfx or monitor to run X that wont help ... I need to run X in the background and access it from another box
05:07<blarson>angelo: yes, ask in a windows group about X for it. Both commercial and free ones are available IIRC.
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05:08<angelo>blarson ok, but what application are we talking about here?
05:08<CQ>try cygwin then?
05:09<angelo>what does cygwin do ?
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05:09<CQ>http://cygwin.com/ ... also has an X server etc.
05:09<CQ>so you can use that and connect to the x server on your other box
05:09<blarson>angelo: you want an X server for windows. (X has sever/client backwards.)
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05:10<angelo>ah :) well thanks
05:10<angelo>Ill look in to it
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05:17<pad>hi all ;-)
05:17<pad> Do you know if there is a project to redo debian's Web site?
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05:19<angelo>hi I just installed cygwinx on my windows box .. but with wwhat tool do I connect to another X server on a remote box ?
05:20<jo>angelo: I think you don't need monitor/gfx card to run vnc server
05:21<jo>angelo: just ssh -X to the remote box and start xterm?
05:22<angelo>jo you have a man page about that ?
05:22<angelo>I run start xterm on the server box
05:22<angelo>and do ssh -x on the client box ?
05:22<jo>first do ssh -X connect to the server box, then run xterm
05:23<angelo>euhm xrap cygwinx does not inlcude ssh
05:24<jo>or you can just install vncserver on the server box
05:24<angelo>can I just add the debian bin and run it from in cygwin ?
05:24<jo>no...
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05:24<angelo_>ok lemme try that
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05:25<angelo_>ok and now I need a vnc client on my windows box I presume
05:25<jo>yes
05:26<angelo_>lemme grab one
05:27<angelo_>ok got that too ... now how do I start the vnc server so that it opens X for the client ?
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05:28<jo>in the remove box run vncserver
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05:28<jo>remote
05:29<angelo_>done
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05:30<angelo_>cannot connect ... whats the standard port vncserver uses?
05:30<jo>it's 5900, but I think the client should specify host:0
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05:32<angelo_>hey it works :)
05:32<angelo_>thanks man
05:32<jo>glad to help!
05:32<angelo_>can I make different users for vncserver as well ?
05:33<jo>each user can run their copy of vncserver
05:33<jo>and each copy will use a differenct port
05:33<angelo_>ok so the user you run vncserver from is the user taken for X ?
05:33<jo>5900, 5901, 5902...
05:34<jo>yes
05:34<angelo>nice
05:34<angelo>thanks a bunch .. Ill go play around some now
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05:36<angelo>If I startup a server would it auto restart on reboot ?
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05:38<jo>I don't think so...you have to set it up somewhere like /etc/rc.local
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05:39<aya>i want to install the man pages for the c commands (for example: fopen(), fprintf(), ...) what .deb package do i have to install ?
05:40<jo>manpages-dev
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05:40<aya>thank you
05:41<jo>you're welcome
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05:48<hellues>hey
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05:48<hellues>i ask a quenstion pls dont say this not channel for your quenstion
05:48<hellues>are there anyone who use latex
05:48<hellues>!paste
05:48<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
05:48<bartm>"this not channel for your quenstion" :)
05:49<bartm>!anyone
05:49<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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05:49<bartm>hellues: there's a good (not so short) introduction to latex
05:49<hellues>http://paste.debian.net/51625
05:50<hellues>pls nobody answer in latex channel either freenode or debian.org
05:50<bartm>pgf.sty is missing, it seems
05:50<hellues>pls look at if you have some knolwedge about latex
05:50<hellues>what must i do
05:51<bartm>add pgf.sty I guess
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05:51<hellues>how
05:51<bartm>which debian package contains pgf.sty ?
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05:52<bartm>hellues: try this: apt-get install pgf
05:52<hellues>oki
05:52<hellues>i try
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05:53<hellues>i am downloading i hope my problem will fix
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05:53<jlj>is there any way to show/display the current color depth in x.org?
05:53<bartm>hellues: I saw that pgf.sty is part of package pgf by querying here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
05:53<angelo_>my free disc space is atm 0 buy Ive deleted already a few gbs now and it still is 0 when I do df -m ... how is this possible
05:54<bartm>jlj: I would look in xorg.conf
05:54<bartm>angelo_: maybe some process is continuously writing ?
05:55<angelo_>but so fast that I sont see any space for a second is weird right
05:55<bartm>angelo_: try the command "top" to see which processes are the most active ones
05:55<angelo_>btw its an old box .. it cannot write gb`s in seconds :P
05:55<weasel>probably the files are still open.
05:55<weasel>or you are using ext3 and filled it up well into the reserved area
05:55<weasel>or ..
05:55<angelo_>they are shared via samba.. would that be it ?
05:56<weasel>if they are still open then they have not been deleted from disk yet
05:56<angelo_>lemme restart samba
05:56<jlj>bartm: but it contains several modes, I'd like to know whish one is currently in use
05:56<bartm>jlj: good question, I'd like to know that too :)
05:57<angelo_>still none .. but I do you ext3 yes ... what do you mean aboyt reserve?
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05:57<bartm>question... do we have in Debian some messaging system similar to Websphere MQ ? some lightweight free software with XA support (for combining with Oracle)
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05:59<ano>hi all
05:59<blarson>jlj: xdpyinfo
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06:00<cahoot>xrandr -q
06:01<jlj>blarson: yeah, I tried that but it only says default visual id: 0x21
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06:01<jlj>blarson: not "current visual id"
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06:08<newbie291>I downloaded and burnt debian net inst cd. Now when I try to install I am told that it can not find common CD rom drive and I will have to either provide a floppy with drivers or manually select
06:09<newbie291>then when I manually select I have tried all the options in that list onebyone none worked
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06:10<dli>newbie291, stable or testing?
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06:12<Tom_RFD>Is there an equivalent to #flood for Debian mailing lists? For largish attachments?
06:13<CQ>anyone in the mood to help me understand a "attempt to access beyond end of device" problem??
06:13<angelo>hi does debian has something like the trash can in windows or so ... cuz my drive was full (0bytes available) I deleted like 30 yo 40 gigs ,,, and I only have 10 gigs free now ... how can that be ?
06:13<Tom_RFD>CQ: Is this a harddisk?
06:14<CQ>yes, 30bg hard disk ext3 older laptop (2004ish) and newer drive
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06:14<CQ>dmesg says want 124549992 limit 56098917
06:14<CQ>blockdev --getsize agrees with the limit
06:15<Tom_RFD>Yeah, maybe it's filesystem corruption?
06:15<CQ>happened twice on two installations...
06:15<cahoot>angelo: using gnome or what?
06:15<CQ>did a ram check already, no kails
06:15<CQ>fails
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06:15<angelo>cahoot no just console
06:15<dli>angelo, reboot would be a good idea :)
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06:16<cahoot>angelo: run sync and see if things change
06:16<angelo>dli I did
06:16<angelo>lemme try sync
06:16<angelo>what does sync do btw ?
06:16<cahoot>hardly any use if already rebooted though
06:16<dli>angelo, if rebooting doesn't help, sync doesn't either
06:16<Tom_RFD>CQ: The two installations things is weird. When do you get this message?
06:16<CQ>in dmesg
06:16<angelo>dli oh .... hehe what else could be the problem ?
06:16<Tom_RFD>Yeah, but does anything not work? :-)
06:17<dli>angelo, fsck
06:17<CQ>yes, the volume is mounted RO right now :)
06:17<angelo>ok doing fsck
06:17<Tom_RFD>CQ: So... something happens when you try to mount it RW?
06:18<CQ>don't know, I have one large partition and am booted into it
06:18<CQ>I could reinstall with smaller partitions
06:18<CQ>8gb or so
06:18<CQ>can I fsck a RO mounted volume?
06:18<Tom_RFD>yes you can
06:19<CQ>hm, Bad magic number in super-block while trying to re-open /dev/hda1
06:19<Tom_RFD>you sure /dev/hda1 is where your filesystem is?
06:19<Tom_RFD>fdisk -l /dev/hda
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06:20<CQ>df and mount agree
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06:20<CQ>ugh... df is reporting a ridiculous drive size
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06:20<Tom_RFD>well, that would explain some things
06:20<CQ>lets see what a reboot does
06:21<Tom_RFD>CQ: What size filesystem were you trying to make, and what filesystem (ext3 or what)?
06:21<CQ>or if the fs is hosed
06:21<CQ>ext3 around 27GB
06:21<Tom_RFD>okay, that shouldn't be a problem
06:21<angelo>if fsck takes a long time ... does that mean its F*cked up ?
06:21<Tom_RFD>angelo: no, it means you have a large filesystem... how large?
06:22<angelo>320gb
06:22<CQ>ouch. now grub fails with a Error 17
06:22<CQ>somethings wrong with the HW here...
06:22<CQ>maybe I should run the RAM Check for a whole day and not jsut one pass?
06:22<Tom_RFD>angelo: Watch TV or something, it'll be a while :-)
06:22<CQ>or is there a good bootable system diagnostic CD?
06:23<dli>CQ, debian-live
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06:23<Tom_RFD>CQ: It does sound like a hardware problem, but not a RAM problem... I wouldn't bother checking with a RAM checker all day
06:23<angelo>Tom_RFD : ... I thought this was a quick fix ... :P ... well this might be the right time to light up another season of 24 then :P
06:23<kop>angelo: Always a good idea to blow the dust out too.
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06:24<Tom_RFD>angelo: the system will have to run fsck from time to time anyway... best you know how long it takes sooner rather than later
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06:24<CQ>what would you check and how?
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06:25<dli>CQ, memtest86+
06:25<Tom_RFD>CQ: I don't know... maybe I'd check the ram after all
06:25<CQ>I have a kubuntu 7.10 here
06:25<CQ>that has a ramcheck on it
06:25<angelo>yea thats right
06:25<angelo>but are we talking about hours here?
06:26<Tom_RFD>angelo: I'm guessing half an hour?
06:26<angelo>oh ok
06:26<angelo>thats very doable :)
06:26<angelo>cuz I have some other drives waiting with the same problem too ... and I was hoping to fix it this weekend :P
06:26<Tom_RFD>how on earth could you have multiple drives with the problem of disappearing harddisk space
06:27<CQ>are there other live CDs that check other parts of the system?
06:27<Tom_RFD>you might just have a program that's making huuuuge log files for no apparent reason
06:27<angelo>lol I guess maybe worth looking into
06:27<kop>I always start with memtest86+, just because if the ram is bad then anything could happen. I've jumped in in the middle of things, it feels like a bad drive. You could try smartmontools.
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06:28<angelo>btw anyone here has any expierence working with pppd ... I can get a vpn server up with no problem .. but I cannot get the mppe encryption to work...
06:28<CQ>I'll let the memtest ru a few hours...
06:28<Tom_RFD>CQ: Knoppix has smartmontools
06:28<kop>angelo : Something in smartmontools will do diagnositcs/report on drive firmware diagnostics. It can take up to an hour per drive, depending on drive size and tests.
06:29<CQ>kop sounds good
06:29<Tom_RFD>Everybody loves Knoppix anyway
06:29<kop>The other thing to do is use "df -h *" inside various directories to see where the space is going.
06:29<Tom_RFD>you can do du | sort -n
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06:29<kop>oops. du I mean. :)
06:29<Tom_RFD>then it'll show you the most space using directories at the bottom
06:29<kop>"du -sh *"
06:30<Tom_RFD>du -sh * is good too
06:31<kop>There's also a debian live cd. The cool thing there is that you can install stuff (into the ram disk). And you can get help here because it's debian if something goes weird on you. But Knoppix is always a favorite.
06:31<angelo>hmm the fsck is done but still no increasement in available space...
06:31<fxiny>angelo: i'd check /var/tmp and for torrents downloads
06:31<dli>angelo, any lost+found?
06:32<angelo>checking
06:32<kop>angelo: Sadly, mppe is lame encription. You can try the various "stateful" enable/disables and maybe the various key sizes too.
06:32<angelo>lost and founs is empty .. and var/tmp is on another drive
06:33<fxiny>angelo: is k9copy installed ?
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06:33<angelo>fxiny I dont know it so I guess not .. what is it
06:33<dli>angelo, then, it's some file
06:33<angelo>kop yes ... but if you are working with several windows boxes with just standard XP on it .. what choice do you have :(
06:34<fxiny>angelo: a dvd shrink app. it can fill up /var/tmp
06:34<angelo>ah ok ... but var/tmp is on anothe rdrive
06:34<angelo>this is really weird :(
06:34<kop>angelo : You can run ssh as a service on the MS boxes and tunnel whatever traffic you want. Better yet is OpenVPN, which is totally cross platform.
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06:34<Tom_RFD>angelo: It's just something using harddisk space. It's just a little tricky to track down
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06:35<Tom_RFD>angelo: du -sx / | sort -n | fold | less # biggest directories will be at the bottom
06:35<kop>angelo : You can try using lsof to see what's got files open on the partition. (If something is keeping a file open rather than opening/closing.)
06:35<angelo>Tom_RFD could samba in any way cause this ?? cuz I use that like 24/7
06:35<Tom_RFD>definitely
06:36<Tom_RFD>maybe some script kiddiez are uploading to your Samba
06:36<Tom_RFD>If you have a shared drive
06:36<kop>Tom_RFD : (May as well throw in a 'sort -r' and put the good stuff at the top. :-)
06:36<angelo>Tom_RFD well only internally
06:37<angelo>lsof huh .. lemme try
06:37<angelo>wow thats a big list in lsof :P
06:37<Tom_RFD>Angelo: Well, check /var/log's size (du -sh /var/log), and whatever the Samba host drive directories are
06:38<angelo>var/log is just 38mb
06:38<Tom_RFD>okay, good
06:39<angelo>hmm ill try another reboot ... maybe itll help
06:39<angelo>brb
06:39<angelo>btw
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06:40<angelo>Ive have the feeling a lot of shit starts up when the box boots up .. how do I have a look inside taht ?
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06:40<Tom_RFD>Angelo: ls /etc/rcS.d /etc/rc2.d
06:40<angelo>ok so only the things in rc boot up at startup ...
06:40<Tom_RFD>Angelo: did you check for torrents like the one other person suggested?
06:40<kop>angelo : Or "ps ax" to watch what's actually happening. (maybe ps axwww)
06:41<angelo>Tom_RFD well I never download torrents on this box ... should I check anyway then ?
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06:41<angelo>kop : ok w8
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06:42<maxb>#debian-dpkg
06:42<kop>angelo : While you're at it, look at the output of dmesg, and look at /var/log/messages.
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06:42<kop>angelo : And maybe /var/log/daemon. Maybe some program is trying to tell you something and you're not listening.
06:42<maxb>oops, /me does that again with an actual /join in front this time :-/
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06:43<Tom_RFD>angelo: No, I guess not :-)
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06:44<angelo>kop I dont have a /var/log/deamon :S
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06:44<angelo>but other then that U dont see something weird
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06:45<Tom_RFD>daemon, but you already checked /var/log and it wasn't too large
06:45<kop>angelo : /var/log/daemon (a/e)
06:45<Tom_RFD>I think you should give the problem a break
06:45<Tom_RFD>it's poorly defined
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06:47<angelo>I know...
06:48<angelo>a well ... ive been thinking about buying some new sata drives in the near future anyway
06:48<Tom_RFD>It's definitely not the drive
06:48<Tom_RFD>missing harddisk space is only caused by something using it up, or perhaps filesystem corruption, but e2fsck would have found that
06:48<angelo>yea but a clean reinstall would solve the problem too I guess
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06:48<angelo>lemme do it again ..
06:48<angelo>cuz I didn;t unmount the drive I found out
06:48<angelo>maybe that was a problem
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06:50<fxiny>reinstaling is wrong : you nedd to find out what is filling up your drive
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06:51<Tom_RFD>you couldn't have run an fsck on the drive if it was mounted read/write
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06:51<angelo>Tom_RFD so it said ... but it did run :P
06:51<fxiny>so start monitoring your dirs and kick the offender ass : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/581
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06:52<angelo>damned cant unmount
06:52<Tom_RFD>Angelo: run init 1 as root
06:53<Tom_RFD>Angelo: You're not supposed to run e2fsck on a read-write mounted drive :-P
06:53<Tom_RFD>Angelo: init 1 shuts down 99% of the system so that you can remount / read-only
06:53<Tom_RFD>roughly
06:53<angelo>ah oki :)
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06:54<Tom_RFD>Well, I don't miss bitchx at all
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06:55<Tom_RFD>hehe, all the server names are scientific
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07:03<fresch>hi. i've read that there are some problems with grub and xfs. what i
07:03<fresch>erh >_<
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07:05<fresch>what i have read so far suggests that if you install grub from a partition that is xfs into a partition that is xfs, it won't work
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07:06<grzechu>Hi.
07:06<scsi>hi
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07:06<Tom_RFD>fresch: I don't know, but it sounds unlikely
07:07<fresch>however i'm installing a grub from a ext3 partition into the mbr of the disk and want to boot a xfs partition
07:07<fresch>err, not ext3 partition, partition with ext3 fs
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07:08<fresch>quote: "you cannot install grub into an XFS partition because the XFS superblock is in sector 0 of the partition."
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07:09<fresch>but i dont want to install grub into a xfs partition, i want to install into the mbr o_O
07:10<fresch>however the linux on the xfs partition wont boot...
07:10<scsi>your boot partition is?
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07:10<fresch>scsi: i dont have a boot partition, i have one hdd with grub installed into the mbr
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07:14<kop>fresch : You need to tell us what you're typing to get the error.
07:17<grzechu>fresch: you cant install grub on XFS, it is using sector 0, and grub needs it to point for chainloader +1
07:17<grzechu>fresch: http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-grub@gnu.org/msg10770.html
07:18<fresch>yes, thanks. i know that =)
07:18<fresch>and it is also not what i am doing.
07:19<grzechu>fresch: you want to install grub in mbr, is that correct?
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07:19<fresch>grzechu: i've already done that
07:19<fresch>grzechu: booting debian and windows from that
07:20<fresch>now i have added an entry in the menu.lst to boot the debian on the xfs partition. it boots. but hangs on disk detection (something about scsi and ids)
07:21<grzechu>fresch: is it a kernel error? or grub?
07:22<fresch>neither. i don't get any error message. it just hangs... for at least 10 minutes...
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07:23<fresch>as i have never had such problems with debian before, i figured, it must be xfs/grub related since that is the only thing different from my usual installs
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07:25<pcman>hello, anyone here knows how to use automake?
07:26*pcman got some problems when write Makefile.am
07:27<Tom_RFD>Fresch: Doesn't sound like a problem with Grub or XFS
07:27<scsi>nope sorry
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07:28<fresch>hmmm, maybe i should check the log
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07:30<fresch>hmm, /var/log/syslog is empty, as is /var/log/dmesg
07:30<Tom_RFD>disk detection wouldn't write to those files
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07:30<knoppix__>hallo
07:30<scsi>h0i
07:30<Tom_RFD>fresch: maybe boot in rescue mode and reconstruct the ramdisk
07:30<Tom_RFD>I mean the initrd
07:31<knoppix__>nothing italaian_
07:31<knoppix__>italian...ops
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07:31<Guest2183>ok
07:31<Tom_RFD>fresch: I'd sort your problem under boot failure
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07:32<Guest2183>ola
07:32<Tom_RFD>Guest2183: Hi
07:32<fresch>Tom_RFD: never done that before, is it complicated?
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07:33<munga_>what is the preferred way to convert docbook to man ?
07:33<Tom_RFD>Fresch: No. Do you have Debian installation media?
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07:33<fresch>Tom_RFD: sure. i also got a working debian install i'm on right now. i could chroot into the other debian...
07:33<mikes>hello can anyone inform me in which package is dpkg-scanpackages?
07:34<Tom_RFD>Fresch: Or you could chroot into the other debian
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07:34<Tom_RFD>mikes: dpkg-dev and dpkg-multicd
07:34<mikes>thanks
07:34<Tom_RFD>mikes: See http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/dists/stable/Contents-i386.gz
07:35<Tom_RFD>or your local mirror of choice ;-)
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07:36<angelo>how do I make an rc2 script that runs something in usermode ?
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07:38<Tom_RFD>angelo: What do you mean by usermode?
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07:39<blorb>heya all
07:40<scsi>h0i
07:40<angelo>Tom_RFD well I want to autostart vncserver from user angelo
07:40<angelo>Tom_RFD Im trying sudo .. but it says permission denied
07:40<Tom_RFD>angelo: you mean you want to run as a normal user instead of root?
07:40<angelo>Tom_RFD yea
07:40<Tom_RFD>angelo: normally "usermode" means everything that is run outside of the kernel, which is almost everything
07:41<Tom_RFD>almost everything that you see anyway
07:41<Tom_RFD>angelo: try su - angelo -c vncserver
07:41<Tom_RFD>or something
07:41<Tom_RFD>man su
07:41<angelo>oki hold on
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07:41<angelo>whats the difference between du and sudo btw ? (really dont know much about sudo, so the question might seem dumb :P )
07:42<Tom_RFD>su. Su is original Unix, sudo came later
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07:42<Tom_RFD>I don't know why people use sudo
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07:42<Tom_RFD>actually that doesn't answer your question, but I don't know the answer, exactly. check the man pages :-)
07:42<angelo>so sudo and su are actually pretty much the same ?
07:42<cahoot>because it's useful?
07:42<fxiny>mikes: man apt-ftparchive
07:43<odii>Hey guys - downloaded netinst and want to specifiy which arch is installed... is it possible? ie. by default it installs some i486 kernel, I want to specify i686 for the highmem support
07:43<Tom_RFD>odii: Install a new kernel after you've installed Debian
07:44<odii>Tom_RFD: so no way to skip that step by installing the intended version first?
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07:45<Tom_RFD>odii: No, because there's only one kernel on the installation media
07:45<Tom_RFD>Usually you have to replace it anyway
07:45<odii>ah, ok thanks
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07:45<Tom_RFD>:-)
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07:45<angelo>Tom_RFD su wants a password ... but when run from root you can switch that off rigth ?? I mean if it asks for a password its not a really good startup script ;)
07:45<odii>would this still be the case if I downloaded the full cd1 disc?
07:46<Tom_RFD>Angelo: Yeah, if you run su as root it doesn't ask for a password
07:46<Tom_RFD>odii: That's a good question
07:46<angelo>oh hehe my bad thought I was in root .. but Im in a suder
07:46<angelo>user
07:47<Tom_RFD>odii: You might be able to do it ...
07:48<odii>Tom_RFD: yeah, probably wont bother... it was just more of an idle concern. Thanks for the help :)
07:49<Tom_RFD>odii: Tricky though... and by default it will install the normal kernel
07:49<Tom_RFD>odii: And then you could use udpkg or something to install one of the other kernel deb or udeb files on the CD
07:49<Tom_RFD>yeah okay :-)
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07:55<[machine]>angelo: this is from an init script right? have a look at start-stop-daemon
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08:22<newbie291> I downloaded and burnt debian net inst cd. Now when I try to install I am told that it can not find common CD rom drive and I will have to either provide a floppy with drivers or manually select
08:22<newbie291> then when I manually select I have tried all the options in that list onebyone none worked
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08:22<newbie291>How come it can boot from the cd but not recognize it?
08:23<dli>newbie291, etch or lenny?
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08:23<newbie291>newbie291 lenny testing
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08:24<newbie291>dli I think etch might have worked fine. I have expreinced installing it on an older machine
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08:24<newbie291>its a wonderful thing stable and rock solid
08:24<newbie291>but now I want to try something newer
08:25<newbie291>:)
08:25<newbie291>I can not figure out how I am going to install it if it doesn't load my cdrom
08:27<newbie291>should I repeat my question?
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08:29<newbie291> I downloaded and burnt debian net inst cd. Now when I try to install I am told that it can not find common CD rom drive and I will have to either provide a floppy with drivers or manually select
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08:29<newbie291> then when I manually select I have tried all the options in that list onebyone none worked
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08:34<newbie291>please help
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08:35<newbie291>:(
08:35<Tom_RFD>oh that
08:35<newbie291>Tom_RFD can you help?
08:35<Tom_RFD>newbie: I don't know
08:35<Tom_RFD>newbie: I'm thinking
08:36<Tom_RFD>to answer one of your questions, it can boot from the CD-ROM because the BIOS does the detection work of booting the CD-ROM
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08:36<Tom_RFD>after that, the operating system has to figure it out... which seems to be more challenging, I'm guessing because it doesn't know the hardware quite as well as the BIOS
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08:37<newbie291>Tom_RFD: ok
08:38<newbie291>http://www.jimmy.co.at/weblog/?p=65 Tom_RFD could this be the solution to my problem?
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08:39<Tom_RFD>maybe.
08:39<Tom_RFD>Maybe you should be using stable
08:39<newbie291>Tom_RFD: Whats the gurantee that stable one would load my cd rom?
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08:40<newbie291>I will be right back if I don't come another five minutes then it means this solution worked
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08:43<cahoot>!kmuto
08:43<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
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08:45<Tom_RFD>ah thanks
08:45<cahoot>might possibly be the answer
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08:55<newbie291>:(
08:55<newbie291>I downloaded and burnt debian net inst cd. Now when I try to install I am told that it can not find common CD rom drive and I will have to either provide a floppy with drivers or manually select
08:55<newbie291> then when I manually select I have tried all the options in that list onebyone none worked
08:55<newbie291>please help
08:58<cahoot>!kmuto
08:58<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
08:58<cahoot>newbie291: could try ^^
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08:59<leo>hallo
08:59<leo>here is speaking english ?
08:59<cahoot>ja
09:00<leo>shit :-) i'm not speaking english *g
09:00<Ganneff>!de
09:00<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
09:01<leo>thanks
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09:03<newbie291>I downloaded and burnt debian net inst cd. Now when I try to install I am told that it can not find common CD rom drive and I will have to either provide a floppy with drivers or manually select
09:03<newbie291> then when I manually select I have tried all the options in that list onebyone none worked
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09:07<dli>newbie291, is your hardware too old or too new?
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09:11<newbie291>dli too new I guess
09:11<newbie291>its intel core 2 duo
09:12<newbie291>with a samsung dvd RW
09:12<newbie291>g965 intel chipset
09:12<newbie291>I got an idea
09:12<dli>newbie291, did you try nightly lenny built?
09:12<newbie291>dli no
09:12<dli>newbie291, 965 is not so new
09:13<newbie291>dli you see I have another debian based operating system installed on one partition
09:13<newbie291>is there something that i can look there and then tell debian installer to do that?
09:13<dli>newbie291, can you install via debootstrap
09:14<newbie291>what is debootstrap?
09:14<weasel>iwl4965 is very new.
09:15<dli>!kmuto
09:15<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
09:15<dli>this might be a good idea, get newest kernel for etch installer
09:16<newbie291>? i am trying to install lenny
09:16<dli>newbie291, then, try lenny nightly build
09:17<dli>newbie291, since 965 is not so new, it's an installer problem of the version you are using
09:17<newbie291>dli may be i am using wrong architecture cd?
09:17<newbie291>i downloaded i386 is this my architecture?
09:17<dli>newbie291, still try kmuto, since you can upgrade to lenny easily
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09:18<NakedApe>just a note, this machine is a 965-mobo (p5b dlx) with a samsung dvd-rw and it installed etch just fine from offical netinst
09:18<dli>newbie291, i386 is okay, but you can install 64 bit amd64
09:18<NakedApe>though I used amd64
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09:18<newbie291>NakedApe no it didnt install etch i said i have installed etch on another machine so that you guys understand that i am not totally new
09:19<NakedApe>my point was that I find it unlikely that support for 965 would be a rpoblem
09:19<NakedApe>*problem
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09:19<newbie291>i dont like downloading so many disk images and burning them. Its not environmental friendly
09:19<dli>NakedApe, I saw problems like this, due to installer bugs
09:20<NakedApe>probably specific to a ICH-revision then?
09:20<dli>newbie291, if you don't have cd-rw, you may try hard drive installation, or usb-stick
09:20<dli>NakedApe, no idea, I had the problem on 965 too
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09:21<purx>hello everyone
09:21<newbie291>dli ok can you please guide me to some manual about how to install from harddrive or usbstick?
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09:22<dli>newbie291, it's trivial, if you have another running debian system there
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09:23<dli>newbie291, it's within installation manual: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#id2534268
09:24<newbie291>dli can you please tell me this how come ubuntu and opensuse recognize all my hardware during the installation?
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09:25<purx>after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg X Window doesn't launch.......
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09:25<purx>I have just modified xorg.conf.....
09:25<cahoot>newbie291: different kernels
09:25<purx>not having copy of that file....
09:26<purx>And now I dont know what to do....to reinstall debian?
09:26<dli>purx, why?
09:26<dli>newbie291, if ubuntu boots, you can install via debootstrap
09:28<dli>newbie291, files for usb-stick: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
09:28<dli>newbie291, you need hd-media for usb-stick, follow the installation manual
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09:30<newbie291>dli I have my usb stick ready :)
09:30<newbie291>what hd-media?
09:30<dli>newbie291, files for usb-stick: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
09:31<dli>newbie291, it's within installation manual: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#id2534268
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09:32<newbie291>great
09:32<newbie291>I already have gnulinux
09:32<abrotman>!usb install
09:32<dpkg>it has been said that usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian)
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09:32<newbie291>how do I know if my computer bios support usb?
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09:34<newbie291>purx are you sure you dont have a copy of xorg.conf? sometimes nautilus have them hidden
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09:35<dli>abrotman, can somebody rewrite the installation manual? for example, include links for boot.img.gz , .iso, etc.
09:35<abrotman>the actual manual ?
09:35<abrotman>or the wiki? or the factoid?
09:35<dli>abrotman, the official installation doc for stable
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09:36<abrotman>dli: i can't .. but i think you can submit a bug to the manual meta package
09:36<abrotman>dli: your best bet is to get it fixed for the lenny release
09:36<dli>abrotman, it has been like this for years, very mysterious to me
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09:36<dli>abrotman, I mean it was so in sarge
09:36<abrotman>dli: send a patch for the manual
09:37<abrotman>there's a link/bug in there somewhere
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09:38<abrotman>dli: besides .. we know developers make awful documentation writers :)
09:38<dli>abrotman, that's why I don't feel like to make a patch, which is very likely to be rejected. developers would say the files can be easily located
09:39<abrotman>i can't imagine they'd actually reject a documentation upgrade
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09:40<newbie1>dli: hello now I am logged on from Gnu/Linux has confirmed that my bios has usb boot enabled
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09:41<dli>abrotman, not really, remember the die hard "run apt-get update" error message due to apt-keys
09:41<abrotman>that was pre-release though
09:41<dli>abrotman, I got annoyed by it from beginning, but developers here rejected it as a bug
09:41<abrotman>http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apes02.html.en
09:41<abrotman>dli: ^^ patches!
09:43<dli>newbie1, sure 965 mobo
09:43<abrotman>dli: and i'd say based on the archived bug reports, that some patches are taken
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09:44<newbie1>dli: how to i find out find out which SCSI device the USB stick has been mapped to
09:44<dli>newbie1, sg_map
09:44<dli>newbie1, dmesg|tail
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09:46<newbie1>[ 110.496460] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
09:46<newbie1>is this my usb?
09:46<newbie1>the manual says it would be something like /dev/sda
09:46<thexception>hi, i have the follwoing problem: how can i change the resolution of shell/command line? vga= doesn't work or better said shows up only modes: "0F01-0F07 VGA" graphic card is: ati radeon x1250
09:46<jaakko>newbie1: It is, if you plugged it in and got that message
09:46<dli>newbie1, should be. sda is probably your sata hard drive
09:47<newbie1>dli my usb mounts to /media/disk
09:47<dli>newbie1, better umount it first
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09:55<newbie1>dli: I can not find out my usb drive :(
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09:56<newbie1>dli: it says i need to know drive map to my usb drive before proceeding anyfurther it mounts to /media/disk automatically when inserted but i cant do that manually
09:56<newbie1>because i dont know where its located at /dev/something
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09:59<dli>newbie1, "find out"?
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10:00<dli>newbie1, as I said, "sg_map", "mount"
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10:02<jaakko>newbie1: See the devices "fdisk -l". Then you can mount any of them "mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 /mnt -o ro" (read only). Now you can see content "ls /mnt"
10:02<jaakko>newbie1: If it was wrong device "umount /mnt". And try again some other device.
10:04<newbie1>dli i have found out its called /dev/sdb1
10:04<newbie1>Linux is so adventurous :)
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10:05<newbie1>I feel like Indiana Jones
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10:05<dli>newbie1, so, you are using the flexible way?
10:06<newbie1>dli: yes
10:06<newbie1>I am now downloading a file called  boot.img.gz
10:06<newbie1>from the site you mentioned
10:07<newbie1>then i will extract it directly to usb drive
10:07<dli>newbie1, better to follow the simple way
10:09<newbie1>well the simple way looks more lengthy
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10:37<gl>hi. is anyone familiar with GTK programming?
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10:42<leviatan_>hello alguien sabe spanish
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10:42<leviatan_>no sirve
10:42<leviatan_>me sale que hay mucho flood
10:43<bma>!es
10:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:43<leviatan_>what
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10:43<avtobiff>what is "Standard system" when installing Debian Etch?
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10:43<leviatan_>ok
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10:44<chealer>avtobiff: it's the set of Priority: standard packages.
10:44<avtobiff>come again... i didn't get that
10:44<avtobiff>but what is standard packages then?
10:44<avtobiff>will my debian run without them?
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10:45<avtobiff>i want a truly minimal installation
10:45<bma>Yes, you can remove them.
10:45<avtobiff>what is in the "standard packages" then? is tar in there and stuff? things that i really want?
10:46<soar>avtobiff, you will be asked to choose packages to intall during the installation
10:46<soar>don't choose anything. you will get a minimal system
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10:46<avtobiff>soar, yes. that is why i ask... what is in "standard packages"
10:46<bma>aptitude show '~p standard' will list the standard packages.
10:46<avtobiff>where do i find out?
10:46<avtobiff>k
10:47<bma>I mean aptitude search '~p standard'
10:47<avtobiff>hehe
10:47<avtobiff>i noticed
10:47<chealer>avtobiff: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities
10:48<chealer>avtobiff: not strictly speaking. tar is Priority: required
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10:48<avtobiff>i think that i will install standard packages
10:48<avtobiff>chealer, ok. thanks.
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11:01<tingle>do you guys know a poker client that runs native whit debian etch?
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11:02<BlackRose>hi all
11:02<BlackRose>how r ya 2daY?
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11:11<newbie1>I have created my a usb stick to be used for installation
11:11<munga_>I want to rebuild f-spot to add a couple of shortcut, however the build-deps are just to many and I don't want to leave a mess on my system. I'm sure that there is a tool to install build and clean up the system of all build-deps ...
11:11<newbie1>now I can not figure out why my bios is not booting from it
11:11<newbie1>:(
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11:13<jaakko>newbie1: Perhaps you bios does not support usb booting. Have you enabled it in BIOS settings, is it the first device?
11:13<jaakko>newbie1: "USB fdd" is different than "USB hdd"
11:13<avtobiff>gnome-desktop-environment is the small gnome installation right?
11:14<jaakko>avtobiff: there is no small gnome :p
11:14<newbie1>I have made bios to boot USB devices first
11:14<newbie1>lets see i tried installing mbr to usb disk
11:14<newbie1>let me reboot
11:14<avtobiff>jaakko, but not the entire gnome but just small enough to run gnome
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11:14<munga_>do you know the irc channel for f-spot ?
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11:14<avtobiff>s/small//
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11:16<Panterh3art>is somebody here that can help me with debian ?
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11:16<Panterh3art>(A)
11:17<munga_>Panterh3art: Is this #debian or #someotherOS ?
11:17<Panterh3art>debian xD
11:17<Panterh3art>but still
11:17<Panterh3art>xD
11:17<jaakko>Panterh3art: It depends on your problem I guess
11:17<Panterh3art>i have a problem with eggdrop it can't find tcl >.>
11:17<Panterh3art>and i already installed it >.<
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11:18<pc1>boa tarde pessoal ;)
11:18<Panterh3art>?
11:19<pc1>instalei e configurei o ltsp 4.2 ...
11:19<gsimmons>!tell munga_ -about f-spot
11:19<pc1>agora gostaria de saber se tem como fazer com que cada estacao logue na inicializacao?
11:19<noflash>!es
11:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:20<jaakko>avtobiff: how about http://packages.debian.org/etch/gnome-core
11:20<pc1>xi! ... extrei no canal errado :p
11:20<x03>pc1: tipo
11:21<x03>fala .en aqui ;)
11:21<pc1>tipo assim: pc1 ja entra logado com o usuario PC1, assim nao precisando de digitar usuario e senha!
11:21<noflash>!br
11:21<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:22<noflash>please, this is an english speaking channel
11:22<x03>period
11:22<pc1>caramba, entrei errado 2x ... rs, alem de nao ser do LTSP, eh do Debian en :p
11:22<pc1>sorry :)
11:23<Panterh3art>somebody can help with tcl ?
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11:26<avtobiff>jaakko, maybe that one yeah. thanks
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11:26<noflash>Panterh3art, try #eggdrop on irc.freenode.net
11:27<jaakko>Panterh3art: So what did you try to do? Do you have tcl installed?
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11:28<bluenail>Hey I have an issue (running etch) I installed compiz-fusion, coldn't find the session manager, so installed it from a .deb repository on download.tuxfamily.org, got it working. But every time I log out, all my settings are not saved. I tried reading the man pages, but the man for compiz and compiz-real are minimal.
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11:28<newbie291>now i am really disappointed I am the one who advocates opensource every where and i cant even install the most popular distro
11:28<newbie291>:(
11:30<jaakko>newbie291: You didn't try even wifi yet!
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11:30<newbie291>lol
11:30<newbie291>jaakko I think i would stick to opensuse or ubuntu until my cdrom gets supported
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11:33<newbie291>BTW since I have tried Debian etch for at least an year i think no os in the world can beat it in terms of stability
11:33<newbie291>no matter what i did on my debian etch it never broke
11:34<newbie291>i tried xfce kde gnome and thousands of other things on it and it just worked
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11:34<newbie291>and was much faster than any other distro
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11:34<jaakko>newbie291: Your cdrom not supported?
11:35<jaakko>newbie291: install cd does not boot?
11:35<newbie291>jaakko i guess yes
11:35<newbie291>it boots
11:35<jaakko>but?
11:35<newbie291>but after booting it says i dont have generic cd rom and need either a floppy with drivers or manually select
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11:36<newbie291>then i manually selected all options one by one none of them worked
11:38<newbie291>jaakko there is something about my dvdrw drive some linux distros dont pick it up and some does
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11:42<jaakko>newbie291: sad.. So small thing preventing you. You would need better kenel or a few extra modules on install cd.
11:42<jaakko>newbie291: If you can get usb-cd drive it might help
11:43<newbie291>what is usb-cd drive?
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11:43<newbie291>ohh that thing
11:44<newbie291>no i am thinking about getting a new cdrom for my computer something that works
11:44<jaakko>newbie291: yes, I have and external ide-hd with ordinary ide-cdrom
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11:45<jaakko>newbie291: I hope you understand.. external hd case plugged to usb port (and now cd driven inside it)
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11:46<gsimmons>newbie291: Have you tried using a d-i image containing a more recent kernel, such as the kmuto installer?
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11:48<newbie291>gsimmons does that mean i will have to download another disc image and burn it?
11:48<newbie291>jaakko I understand
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11:51<gsimmons>newbie291: Yes. You can either acquire an ISO or hd-media (USB) image. The image size varies depending on the desired architecture.
11:51<gsimmons>!kmuto
11:51<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
11:52<newbie291>gsimmons i am downloading it
11:52<gsimmons>newbie291: Should those also fail, force use of the generic IDE driver.
11:52<gsimmons>!generic ide
11:52<dpkg>Force usage of the generic IDE driver by providing "generic.all_generic_ide=1" as a boot parameter to <d-i>.
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11:53<newbie291>gsimmons i tried it by pressing alt+f2 and typing modprobe generic_ide
11:53<newbie291>or something likethat
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11:54<newbie291>gsimmons is this different from what i tried?
11:54<nameless_one>hello. I am having trouble using aptitude: the search patterns on the aptitude users' guide don't seems to work correctly (or I am not reading them correctly)
11:55<newbie291>nameless_one what trouble you are having?
11:55<nameless_one>what I want to do is search for the packages that a package depends on, but only those that aren't installed, so I use the ~Rdepends pattern, and I also want to use !~i to match not installed packages, but I can't use ?and
11:55<nameless_one>so that the results match both patterns
11:56<nameless_one>I tried ?and(~Rdepens:anjuta, !~i) but I got "E: Regex compilation error: Invalid preceding regular expression"
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11:57<newbie291>nameless_one i am sorry i wish i could help but i am a newbie myself
11:57<newbie291>but you see there are experts here hang around and you will get help
11:57<nameless_one>also, the aptitude manual suggests that "term1 term2" will return packages which match both patterns, but in practice I get results that match either pattern
11:58<nameless_one>thanks anyway
11:58<nameless_one>anyone else? plus, is there some other aptitude-only channel, so that I can ask there?
12:00<nameless_one>lastly, I can't get aptitude's --without-recommends command line switch to work
12:00<jaakko>nameless_one: isn't that the default behavior?
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12:01<nameless_one>no, --withreccomends is the default behaviour for aptitude, at least on ubuntu (which I have)
12:01<freakNusty>just use apt-get
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12:02<nameless_one>I prefer aptitude. I don't know that much about apt-get, but they seem equally powerful, and I like aptitude better
12:03<nameless_one>plus, how would apt-get solve my problem?
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12:03<avu>going to #ubuntu on frenode would at least solving your problem of being in the wrong channel ;)
12:04<avu>solve
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12:05<nameless_one>hm... my question regards aptitude only, not anything related to ubuntu. Isn't aptitude a Debian package manager? If I am mistaken, I am sorry
12:05<chealer>nameless_one: aptitude is in Debian, yes, but if you're not looking for Debian support, you're on the wrong channel.
12:05<avu>you are not using a debian version of aptitude on debian, but an ubuntu version on ubuntu
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12:06<nameless_one>oh sorry
12:06<nameless_one>I couldn't find a place to ask questions about aptitude
12:06<avu>#ubuntu on freenode
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12:06<nameless_one>any idea where I can go besides #ubuntu?
12:07<avu>#ubuntu is certainly better then #debian..
12:07<avu>so go there, if you really can't find help there, ask *them* where else to ask
12:07<newbie291>avu and they don't mind answering questions related to Debian
12:07<avu>maybe post on some ubuntu ML or forum
12:08<avu>newbie291: great.
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12:08<newbie291>you see there are 300 people all sitting idle
12:08<newbie291>isnt this strange?
12:08<avu>nah, that's how irc works
12:09<nameless_one>anyway, thanks, I will try somewhere else
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12:09<newbie291>avu so is there some other irc for partying and having fun?
12:09<newbie291>i mean if we are sitting here why not talk
12:09<munga_>is it possible to use pbuilder with svn-buildpackage ?
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12:10<avu>newbie291: just because someone's client is online here doesn't mean he/she is reading this channel or even sitting in front of their computer
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12:13<newbie291>300 people logged in and not looking at?
12:13<newbie291>:)
12:13<newbie291>then why they are logged in?
12:13<newbie291>hehehee
12:14<valdyn>newbie291: a large number of those people will notice when you speak to them directly, just like aim or icq are used
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12:14<newbie291>valdyn: like this
12:14<newbie291>so lets blip them all
12:15<newbie291>_haxii_ hello are you reading?
12:15<valdyn>newbie291: yea, lets annoy 300 people at a time, not!
12:15<newbie291>ohh my download finished
12:15<newbie291>i have to burn another plastic disc
12:15<valdyn>newbie291: you will be banned if you did actually do this
12:16<newbie291>valdyn no dont worry i dont have any such intentions
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12:16<newbie291>valdyn but see at least i made you talk
12:16<newbie291>:)
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12:27<mamour>does anyone have a voice client that works with google talk ?
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12:36<munga_>I'm using svn-buildpackage with pbuilder, but somehow it doesn't install the build-deps automaticaly... Any ideas / suggestions ?
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12:42<mamour>going to do laundry, brb
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12:43<blorb>hi guys... just letting you know...
12:44<blorb>my g/f is playing my games on the pc :P
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12:44<blorb>(eat your harts!)
12:44<blorb>:D
12:44<path>:D
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12:50<mamour>blorb
12:50<mamour>who cares
12:52<avu>the same guy that cares about you doing laundry I guess
12:52<fxiny>!beer avu
12:52*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Spaten Optimator for avu
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12:52<avu>ok, should have used a smiley there I guess :)
12:53<fxiny>nahhh is ok :)
12:53<mamour>avu
12:53<mamour>don't be a jerk
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12:53<mamour>does anyone have a voice client that works with google talk ?
12:53<avu>fxiny: see? I really should have used that smiley 8)
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12:58<mamour>does anyone have a voice client that works with google talk ?
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12:59<bma>I thought GoogleTalk's voice stuff was proprietary?
13:00<avu>bma: nope
13:01<avu>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_%28protocol%29
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13:01<avu>mamour: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_%28protocol%29 also has a list other other clients supporting jingle..
13:01<bma>Hmm, cool.
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13:02<mamour>avu is there anything in particular that you advise ?
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13:02<mamour>avu, when I try to go to the jabbin site google says it may be harmful to my computer
13:02<DeepDayze>pidgin does not work yet with jingle...unless there is a plugin for pidgin for jingle
13:02<avu>mamour: no, I don't use it myself
13:02<mamour>pidgin has no voice capabilities
13:02<avu>indeed
13:02<DeepDayze>maybe a plugin can add that
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13:03<mamour>DeepDayze, you don't know that
13:03<DeepDayze>it would be nice for pdgin to have voice capability
13:03<DeepDayze>even if it is via a plugin
13:04<mamour>DeepDayze, you're not in the position to assume such a thing is possible
13:04<mamour>DeepDayze, who do you think you are speaking in place of Pidgin
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13:04<mamour>DeepDayze, I'm sure the pidgin developers would like to have your information for their attorneys so they could file a suit against you
13:04<DeepDayze>maybe not...but i am sure its possible
13:04<avu>wtf 8)
13:05<DeepDayze>i am not speaking for anyone
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13:05<DeepDayze>i am only a user...not a dev
13:06<DeepDayze>if you take that sort of stand, mamour, perhaps its you that is on your high horse. Don't assume that I speak for the devs of any application
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13:07<DeepDayze>if a user wants a feature, they'd just file some sort of wishlist request
13:07<DeepDayze>with the appropriate devs
13:07<DeepDayze>if it is doable, great...if not, no problem ;)
13:08<DeepDayze>now I hope I made myself clear
13:08<fxiny>attorneys ? suit ? wtf4 he's talking about ?
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13:08<DeepDayze>dunno, fxiny
13:08<DeepDayze>i am not looking for a fight here
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13:09<fxiny>malakhi: this is a debian support channel , a place of peace ! take your aggressivity elsewhere
13:09<fxiny>ops
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13:09<fxiny>malakhi: sorry
13:09<DeepDayze>understood ;)
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13:09<fxiny>maamour: this is a debian support channel , a place of peace ! take your aggressivity elsewhere
13:10<DeepDayze>i personally have no wish to fight with people. Just want to be civil
13:10<fxiny>exacltly : hate is a waste of energy
13:10<DeepDayze>yep
13:10<DeepDayze>that energy is best used in psotive pursuits :)
13:11<DeepDayze>positive*
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13:14<craigevil>yes like fragging ppl in OpenArena
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13:15<fxiny>hahahah : what about painkiller ? ;)
13:16<fxiny>squish !
13:17<DeepDayze>lol craigevil
13:18<fxiny>sounds like a sacked mpaa employee trying to get his job back !
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13:19<fxiny>i've seen a nice movie , something like : not yet rated :P
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13:24<DeepDayze>haha
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13:25<DeepDayze>seems mamour is lost for words ;)
13:25<DeepDayze>thanks for backing me up, fxiny
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13:26<fxiny>DeepDayze: heheheh : i love having fun :))
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13:27<DeepDayze>so do I :))
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13:27<DeepDayze>pidgin is my IM client of choice...and voice features will make it a winner
13:30<marcel>I've been struggling with a Lenny install... first tried the netinstall (dailies) - not much luck; GPG key errors and/or mirror(s) not available. Then installed Etch from DVD, intending to upgrade form there to Lenny. In the end, I get an error message that hald, kde, kde-core and another one, encountered errors. I'd really like a complete Lenny/KDE - any other suggestions, anyone?
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13:33<abrotman>might not be possible
13:33<fxiny>hald and kde errors when you upgrade from etch to lenny or when installing kde from that dvd ?
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13:34<marcel>fxiny: Either way: got the errors when doing a lenny netinstall AND when installing Etch fr, DVD, then adjust sources.list and update, dist-upgrade
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13:36<marcel>btw: I found the berkeley mirror to be excellent.... I'm in Canada, but figured these guys would have decent equipment, and it was. The complete 776MB download went fast, without any errors/glitches
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13:36<fxiny>marcel: there is a thread about lenny and kde on debian-kde@lists.debian.org . lemme see
13:36<marcel>fxiny: can't wait
13:36<fxiny>marcel: is x-window-system-core installed ?
13:37<fxiny>marcel: i run fluxbox . not yet upgraded to lenny
13:37<marcel>fxiny: I suppose so - KDE starts up just fine
13:38<DeepDayze>make sure you get latest hal package
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13:38<[HaldriK]>hello
13:38<fxiny>so you are not going with netinst : this thread is about netinst lenny and kde
13:38<[HaldriK]>anybody have an ISP using a hostpot?
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13:39<marcel>xfiny: came back here, to go back to try a netinstall - still have a desktop to take care of :o)
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13:42<chealer>marcel: any link about your problems trying to install lenny directly?
13:43<fxiny>marcel: i haven't seen anything else on debian-kde list lately , just this "Lenny beta kde" thing and something about kde4 . i'm not upgrading yet so i just read subjects lines :)
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13:44<marcel>chealer: don't get your question; fxiny: Lenny hasn't offered me kde4 yet, nor would I want it to at the moment
13:44<fxiny>it seems lenny beta can install kde without problems
13:44<marcel>fxiny; it "should" - I had no problems doing Lenny/Gnome
13:44<chealer>marcel: did you ask somewhere about your problems trying to install lenny directly?
13:47<marcel>chealer: yep - at #debian-install; mainly asking about the paramaters at the prompt, prior to installation. I tried the install tasks="kde-desktop, standard" and that gave me the KDE/Gnome integrated combo. The suggestion was I'd try "kde-core" and install after what I wanted. And the problems started....
13:47<marcel>brb
13:47<fxiny>marcel: quoting "I downloaded the new Lenny beta cd named debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso" in the end all seems ok
13:48<fxiny>marcel: yes ! same gnome thing
13:48<chealer>marcel: retry and persevere more (maybe with beta 1 instead)
13:48<fxiny>but is solved
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13:49<DeepDayze>if you use the kde install cd then its a better choice for kde
13:49<DeepDayze>based desktop without gnome
13:49<fxiny>marcel: "Thank you that almost worked. It got me a KDE desktop" so we are all happy :)
13:50<fxiny>lenny looks promising
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13:51<marcel>fxiny:I'll try the KDE install cd
13:51<[HaldriK]>anybody have an ISP using a hostpot?
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13:52<marcel>I simply NEED the newer version Gnome & Office, and NEED the Kipi plugins. I'll try it. Thanks!
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13:52<marcel>correction: that is GIMP & Office....
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13:53<[HaldriK]>*hotspot
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13:53<fxiny>plenty in soho :P
13:53<fxiny>DeepDayze: ^^ :)
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13:55<DeepDayze>:-)
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13:55<DeepDayze>marcel: once you got a basic kde desktop, then the other stuff's just an apt-get away
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13:57<marcel>DeepDayze: Yep, I'm aware of that.
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13:58<DeepDayze>cool
13:59<DeepDayze>the key is to have a WORKING KDE...whick you know already ;)
13:59<DeepDayze>upgrading debian is much easier than upgrading windows ;)
14:00<DeepDayze>less tears in the process...
14:00<drone77>and cash involved
14:00<DeepDayze>ya
14:01<DeepDayze>upgrading to Vista from XP is a real PITA....debian's a breeze
14:01<DeepDayze>and all your settings are kept intact
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14:03<newbie291>ok now since debian can not find my cd rom driver i use generic.all_generic_ide=1 option at boot
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14:04<DeepDayze>of course if you run into issues with upgrading debian, support's easy to find. Problems with upgrading windows, support's hard to obtain
14:04<newbie291>installation progresses slowly and i accidently pressed aLt+f4 and i see this
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14:05<newbie291>kernel: hde: dma_timer expiry: dma status==0x24
14:05<newbie291>kernel: hde: DMA_Interrupt recovery
14:05<newbie291>kernel: hde: lost interrupt
14:05<newbie291>what does this mean?
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14:06<valdyn>newbie291: means that your cdrom has difficulties communicating with the system
14:06<valdyn>newbie291: its not really a useful message out of context
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14:07<valdyn>newbie291: instead of trying weird things you want to find the pciid of your disk controller, where the cdrom is plugged in and check which kernel is required to use it
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14:07<newbie291>valdyn can you please tell me how i can do this?
14:07<valdyn>!which driver
14:07<dpkg>driver locator is, like, To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ .
14:08<valdyn>newbie291: thats just one step, it wont tell you the minimum kernel version
14:08<valdyn>newbie291: but maybe there'S a kmuto isntaller with the "latest" kernel
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14:08<newbie291>valdyn infact i am using kmuto installer with latest kernel
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14:09<newbie291>:)
14:10<newbie291>valdyn is this possible that all this happening due to writing speed while preparing cd?
14:10<valdyn>newbie291: hde sounds like you could have another, entirely different controller too on that mainboard
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14:11<valdyn>newbie291: well, cdroms do contain their own cpu with their own firmware, they can do all kind of stupid things
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14:11<newbie291>ohh
14:11<valdyn>newbie291: certainly including dropping connections when they really just cant read the disk properly
14:11<newbie291>valdyn please suggest me something to do
14:12<valdyn>newbie291: use the different controller if it exists
14:12<DeepDayze>if the cd drive's old best to consider replacing it...or try another disc
14:12<newbie291>DeepDayze its brand new
14:12<DeepDayze>sometimes bad cd's can cause the problem
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14:12<DeepDayze>if the drive's struggling to read the cd that is
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14:13<NakedApe>if you have another linux installed try reading the CD/DVD from there. If there's no problem it's not the write that's bad but some other issue
14:13<newbie291>valdyn ok what exactly is a controller does that mean i should unplug my dvdrom and plug in someother thing
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14:13<valdyn>newbie291: yes
14:13<newbie291>NakedApe good suggestion
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14:13<cristian>hola
14:13<valdyn>newbie291: it should be visually appearant which connecter belongs to which controller
14:13<cristian>alguien me puede ayudar a usar linux ubunto
14:13<valdyn>newbie291: like the layout on your mainboard
14:13<cristian>soy un chingado de noob
14:13<NakedApe>is it a SATA DVD?
14:14<newbie291>NakedApe i dont know
14:14<cristian>hola coño soy el unico que abla español aki????
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14:14<cristian>spanish plizz
14:14<newbie291>NakedApe its a SAMSUNG DVD RW
14:14<NakedApe>no it isn't :)
14:14<fxiny>!es
14:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:14<NakedApe>would be an sd in that case
14:14<NakedApe>silly me
14:15<newbie291>ok I think i should log in with ubuntu and see how its configured
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14:15<valdyn>does kmuto offer an install disk that uses the libata pata drivers instead of the old ide layer?
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14:16<valdyn>i know that *my* controller only works properly with the new drivers
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14:17<NakedApe>might be an idea to try booting with ACPI disabled
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14:18<newbie1>I am back
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14:18<newbie1>ok I just checked my hardware at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi
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14:19<newbie1>valdyn: how do I know which one of these is my cdrom
14:19<newbie1>valdyn: should i paste it somewhere so that you can have a look?
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14:20<valdyn>newbie1: yea
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14:20<PinkyDW>anyone got a sec to help with installation question about dhcp?
14:20<newbie1>valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m756f25ed
14:20<valdyn>!justask
14:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
14:20<PinkyDW>d'oh, k, i keep forgetting about that
14:21<PinkyDW>sorry
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14:21<valdyn>newbie1: 11ab6101 Yes pata_marvell v2.6.24 is your die controller
14:21<valdyn>s/die/ide/
14:21<PinkyDW>my router doesn't hand off the dns settings correctly apparently with linux, I need a way to specify, but some program keeps rewriting my settings
14:22<newbie1>so what should i do now?
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14:22<valdyn>newbie1: check which driver is being used by debians installer
14:23<newbie1>valdyn: how do i check that?
14:23<valdyn>newbie1: lsmod
14:23<valdyn>newbie1: run the installer - alt-f2 - lsmod
14:23<drone77>PinkyDW, edit /etc/resolv.conf ?
14:23<newbie1>valdyn: but i use generic.all_generic_ide
14:23<PinkyDW>tried that, it had a message at the top to not edit, and when i rebooted the settings would revert
14:23<newbie1>valdyn: but if you want i can go and check it out
14:23<valdyn>newbie1: ah, yea, what happens if you dont use that?
14:24<PinkyDW>i edited from root, settings would stay until reboot
14:24<valdyn>PinkyDW: that program is resolvconf
14:24<valdyn>PinkyDW: remove it if you want to set dns server manually
14:24<newbie1>its ends up telling me to provide a floppy with driver for my cd rom or manually pick one from the list. The official cd has some 10 options the kmuto one has just two none or cdrom
14:25<PinkyDW>verify, remove resolvconf?
14:25<drone77>yup
14:25<PinkyDW>ok, i'll try that, i'm in the middle of reinstalling, thanks guys
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14:26<PinkyDW>also, dumb question.... I want some dang iceweasel wallpaper :p
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14:26<newbie1>valdyn:
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14:27<PinkyDW>later, thanks again
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14:27<knoppix_>hi
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14:28<newbie1>aww
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14:29<newbie1>valdyn: please suggest something
14:29<krush>hello everyone
14:30<krush>is it possible to install debian sid directly?
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14:32<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to specify at boot time the root partition's label rather than explicitly naming the device?
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14:33<abrotman>EmleyMoor: maybe grub
14:33<trippeh>EmleyMoor: root=LABEL=name should probably work if a initramfs is in use (the default)
14:33<mamour>how do I get a list of all channels on an irc server
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14:33<EmleyMoor>trippeh: Ah - great
14:33<Torsten_W>mamour: /LIST
14:33<EmleyMoor>I have a machine with wandering IDE... once I have fixed it this time I will convert it
14:34<fxiny>EmleyMoor: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/522
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14:34<drone77>What directory can I find default icons for xfce4 in?
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14:35<mamour>Torsten_W, is there a way to search in that list like | grep [keyword
14:35<Torsten_W>i don't think so, but i don't know
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14:35<mamour>ok I tried using it and it sad bad syntax
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14:36<Torsten_W>mamour: i'm using the feature of my irc-client
14:36<Torsten_W>there is a searchfunction build in
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14:49<drone77>Running a new etch install: when I 'shutdown -h now' the system goes almost fully down but I get the message 'ACPI: PCI Interrupt for device 0000:04:00.0 disabled' and 'acpi_power_off called' follows. The system then sits there. How do I check what that device is/fix this?
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14:55<kop>drone77 : Probably lspci.
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14:57<Scurz>hi
14:59<kevind23>I have an ATI remote and X has picked up on it, but some of the buttons don't work (ie. I want the play/pause/etc. buttons to control amaroK) and I don't know how to configure it. Any help?
14:59<Scurz>I've updated my debian system (lenny/sid), and now I'm getting this error : "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the mailscanner package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package", does someone have ideas for a solution ?
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15:01<Scurz>and with an aptitude remove mailscanner : http://pastebin.com/m5063f8ae
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15:04<EmleyMoor>Is there a trick I can use to mount a swap partition regardless of its actual /dev/hd??
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15:05<EmleyMoor>... and how about my CD-ROM?
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15:10<DeepDayze>hello slackers :)
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15:11<path>!troll
15:11<dpkg>[troll] [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity.
15:11<DeepDayze>what's new in slack-land?
15:12<Ganneff>DeepDayze: do you have anything about debian?
15:12<DeepDayze>oops
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15:12<DeepDayze>sorry...wrong chat window
15:12<salvin>lol
15:12<DeepDayze>i have several open...
15:12<DeepDayze>happens to many people...
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15:39<mrmango>hi. can someone suggest a good ftp client, none console gui please
15:39<mrmango>I know its a subjective subject, but would like to know who has an opinion on it.
15:40<petemc>gftp has always worked for me
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15:40<mrmango>petemc, does gftp allow multiple connections? Like upload multiple times to same server?
15:40<ciro1992>hello to all
15:40<ciro1992>are a new user of debian
15:41<ciro1992>this is that italian with hel me ?
15:41<petemc>mrmango: not sure, tho i can generally saturate my coonnection with it
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15:42<mrmango>petemc, suppose what I am asking is if you have like 40 files to upload, can you get it to upload say 5 at a time.
15:43<petemc>it seems to do 2 at a time, i thought that was a fuction of the server
15:43<chealer>!tell ciro1992 about it
15:45<ciro1992>okok
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15:52<xsxcwws>i have a different $PATH in gnome-terminal and in "Run Application" in gnome.
15:52<xsxcwws>how can i sync them?
15:53<mrmango>petemc, cool thanks for the advice.
15:53<xsxcwws>actually i want to access my ~/bin folder with alt+f2 (run application) in gnome, but the $PATH is wrong, altough my .bashrc has the right $PATH
15:53<mrmango>petemc, since I use gnome and not KDE will go for that.
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15:56<uruclef>hi
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16:08<Gref>hi everyone
16:08<uruclef>hi
16:09<Gref>I'm experiences some mather with the installation of debian (testing daily netinst 64bits)
16:09<uruclef>tell me
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16:09<uruclef>I'm not such an expert but I'll tru to help :P
16:09<Gref>ok thanks :)
16:10<linux>ok
16:10<Gref>I've an intel 82566dc-2 gigabit ethernet card but it's not recognizing (sory for the english :/). In the list i choose e1000 driver, but doesn't work
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16:11<Gref>trying to find something on the net but nothing helping
16:11<uruclef>are you sure you're using the correct driveri?
16:11<Gref>Don't now, they say on a board that for this card it's e1000
16:12<linux>helo
16:12<uruclef>what's your driver's version?
16:12<uruclef>hi
16:12<uruclef>maybe it needs an update
16:12<the-dude1>Gref: what does lspci -nn say?
16:12<uruclef>I'm reading of some people having troubles because their driver isn't up to date
16:13<Gref>I don't know, just the driver shiping with the daily netinst of testing version :/
16:13<Gref>--> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection [8086:294c] (rev 02)
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16:14<the-dude1>Gref: see this tread for hints http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=551720
16:14<the-dude1>which kernel does it run btw?
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16:15<Gref>don't know, i'm on ubuntu now, just wanted to swith on debian
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16:16<Gref>so for this solution (ubuntuforum) i have to install debian basic system first, and without internet can not use the solution
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16:17<Gref>maybe i can make my own cd based on sid repository, then it will solved the pb
16:17<the-dude>does it work on ubuntu ?
16:18<Gref>yep
16:18<the-dude>which kernel and module does it use?
16:18<abrotman>!kmuto
16:18<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
16:18<Gref>i'm on the hardy version
16:18<the-dude>I don't know ubuntu stuff
16:19<xsxcwws>Gref: why don't you install from dvd and afterwards install the packages manually?
16:19<Gref>ok ) it's 2.6.24-12-generic
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16:19<the-dude>netinstall comes with 2.6.18 or so?
16:20<Gref>don't know
16:20<abrotman>Gref: see the kmuto link .. it has an etch installer with 2.6.24
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16:21<Gref>ok thanks i'trying this :)
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16:22<Gref>thanks for you help everyone
16:22<Gref>bye
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16:38<josh>my mouse renomly skips and acts like it's lagging, what could be causing it?
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16:38<petemc>does your machine have a high load?
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16:39<petemc>mouse lag is often a product of an overloaded machine
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16:42<DeepDayze>open a terminal and enter 'top' command. if you have htop that works too
16:43<petemc>a less circuitous route may be to close firefox
16:43<xsxcwws>how do i set the PATH variable for gnome? .bashrc does not work.
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16:45<DeepDayze>firefox is one app that can cause high cpu load, especially on sites with a lot of flash
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16:46<petemc>it greatly annoys me that no matter how high powered my machine is, a fucking web browser can bring it to its knees
16:47<petemc>this is on any platform ive usef
16:47<petemc>used
16:47<NakedApe>w3m ;)
16:47<petemc>:)
16:47<stderr>disable flash or try to use a lightweight browset like konqueror or epiphany :)
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16:48<petemc>lightweight browsers dont solve the problem, and disabling flash isnt a solution, its an inhibiting workaround
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16:56<Neur>alguem kr tc
16:57<Neur>qr tc???
16:57<uruclef>english please4
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17:00<aptituz>petemc: fix flash ;)
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17:01<petemc>i see it a symptom of a greater problem with humanity
17:01<petemc>we arent efficient
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17:09<twodogs>hello
17:10<twodogs>Can anyone tell me the command that will list the vairious lvm that are on a volume groiup?
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17:11<petemc>lvs
17:11<dave_>cc
17:11<petemc>vgdisplay
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17:12<twodogs>thanks... been looking on line.. and i see how to add create and remove them... but not how to shot
17:12<twodogs>show
17:12<dave_>hello all
17:14<twodogs>hello
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17:16<stderr>hello world
17:16<dave_>I'm currently researching for a paper on credit card fraud, I'm new to IRC and was hoping osmeone could point me in the right direction to establish where the crims trade on IRC. Any help would be appreciated
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17:17<petemc>dave_: efnet might be a start
17:17<robert>hallo ik kom zo maar binnen vallen
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17:17<dave_>efnet?
17:18<petemc>yes
17:18<robert>ik heb net konversation geinstalleerd
17:18<petemc>!nl
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17:18<petemc>hmm, no love for our dutch friends
17:18<dave_>thanks pete
17:19<p17x>Hello! Can anyone tell me, which Kernel Debian Etch 4.0r3 uses in a standard installation?
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17:19<petemc>p17x: 2.6.18
17:19<p17x>thanks =)
17:19<robert>is there anyone who can explain me how i have to install a new connection for ubuntu?
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17:19<abrotman>dpkg!!!!!!!!!!
17:19<abrotman>robert: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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17:20<stderr> uname -a: Linux debian 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Sun Feb 10 22:06:33 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
17:20<p17x>=)
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17:22<[machine]>that's got to be a first... asking #debian where to find credit card traders
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17:23<p17x>Another question, does debian offer a default Desktop Enviroment like KDE or Gnome?
17:23<m0RrE>gnome
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17:23<p17x>thanks, again =)
17:23<stderr>there is a KDE cd also
17:23<stderr>and XFCE
17:24<p17x>hmm, but the default is gnome, isn't it?
17:24<m0RrE>yes
17:24<p17x>okay
17:24<abrotman>there is no default
17:25<petemc>well, the desktop task favours gnome
17:25<petemc>which could be mistaken for a default
17:26<stderr>yup, it just installs the base system by default
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17:28<m0RrE>that's right
17:29<p17x>Anyway, it's not so important, it's only for a presentation. How long it isn't false... ;)
17:29<m0RrE>wonder why you aren't able to choose which gui you want to install..
17:29<abrotman>you can
17:30<stderr>it wouldn't fit on 1 CD =P
17:30<m0RrE>what? :P
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17:30<m0RrE>i've always used the netinstall and have never seen any options available
17:30<m0RrE>just the "desktop environment" which always installs gnome
17:31<petemc>you can pass options to the installer to change that
17:31<m0RrE>it doesn't really affect me since i use gnome but i've thought about it..
17:31<m0RrE>ah, nice..
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17:34<abrotman>you could also not use tasksel
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17:44<Guest2244>my mouse skips like there's lag by there are no processes that would make that happen.
17:45<Guest2244>what could cause this?
17:45<mamour>a rootkit
17:45<Guest2244>?
17:45<stderr>$ top
17:45<mamour>Guest2244, don't listen to him
17:46<mamour>Guest2244, top is a malicious program that may cause problems
17:46<x03>lol
17:46<mamour>Guest2244, for free on-line scanning, go to this site: astalivsta.com
17:46<mamour>Guest2244, if you are prompted to install anything just click "ok" and follow the prompts
17:47<petemc>Guest2244: if its not obvious, ignore mamour
17:47<Guest2244>it's odvious
17:47<mamour>petemc, I'm trying to help him
17:47<x03>sudo init 0
17:47<x03>solve all your problems :P
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17:47<mamour>Guest2244, in a command prompt, type this: sudo rm -r / *
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17:48<petemc>Guest2244: do other things work ok? can you move windows etc?
17:48<mamour>petemc, he left
17:48<x03>phear
17:48<petemc>!ops mamour idiot
17:48<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: petemc complains about: mamour idiot
17:48<mamour>petemc, he followed your directions for erasing his hard drive
17:48<mamour>!ops petemc idiot
17:48<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: mamour complains about: petemc idiot
17:48-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
17:48-!-mamour was kicked from #debian by dondelelcaro [you should know better]
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17:48<stderr>mambo, lol
17:48<x03>wow
17:48-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
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17:48<petemc>thanks dondelelcaro
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17:49<abrotman>nice guy
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17:51<petemc>abrotman: whats your stance on the cheesesteak joint with the "speak english" sign?
17:52<abrotman>petemc: do the employees all speak perfect english? :)
17:52<abrotman>petemc: the weird bit is that it was one of Pat's/Geno's .. and they interviewed the other to see what they had to say
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17:53<petemc>abrotman: do go on..
17:54<abrotman>i don't remember the outcome .. i think they dropped the english-only nonsense
17:54<josh_>okay, my mouse randomly skips sometimes, what could cause this?, please dont mess with me either
17:54<petemc>no, they won the courtcase
17:54<abrotman>petemc: they got sued?
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17:56<petemc>as i understand it, it was a general decriminatory issue
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17:56<petemc>ie, their right to show such a sign, not a personal issue
17:57<abrotman>petemc: bah .. the owner says he's never turned anyone away for not speaking in english anyways
17:57<petemc>aye
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17:57<petemc>s/dec/desc/
17:57<petemc>i hate this fucking keyoard
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17:59<abrotman>petemc: in general the whole thing was pretty silly
18:00<petemc>it is and it isnt
18:00<abrotman>which parts ?
18:00<petemc>patriotism it to be applauded
18:01<petemc>is
18:01<abrotman>sure, but requiring a customer to speak in a single language in a "melting pot" is silly
18:01<petemc>i cant blame that on the keyboard
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18:02<petemc>requiring an employee to understand anything other than their native language is also silly
18:02<petemc>mostly
18:03<abrotman>i have no idea how you say "steak 'wit' whiz" in spanish or any other language .. so i have no idea how you'd order it anyways
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18:06<abrotman>see .. petemc couldn't argue that!
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18:06<petemc>you win!
18:06<abrotman>petemc: how do you say "steak wit whiz" in irish? :)
18:07<twodogs>anyone here use xen with a nvidia card?
18:07<petemc>abrotman: wid instead of wit, otherwise...
18:07<abrotman>you just call it "steak" ?
18:08<petemc>well, a cheesesteak is a minute steak sandwich
18:09<petemc>we dont have vernacular for such a tasty treat
18:10<abrotman>twodogs: be more specific
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18:11<abrotman>petemc: that's kind of my point though .. i can't imagine people go in there and say "bifteck de fromage aux oignons"
18:12<petemc>abrotman: on my travels, ive noticed its the exchange of currency is the most problematic
18:12<abrotman>yeah .. i have the hardest time using USD in jersey :)
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18:17<riganta>Hi, I have got bind installed on my debian testing amd64 and when I run named-checkzone memoria.fr db.memoria.fr.inv I get the error " margoullat.memoria.fr has no address records (A or AAAA)" I was wondering what could that be? My
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18:17<riganta>this is a local dns server and not an external one
18:17<petemc>pastebin the zonefile
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18:20<riganta>http://debian.pastebin.com/d7763dd79
18:21<riganta>My DNS server seems to be working fine though. When I look in /var/log/syslog i havent got any error message
18:22<riganta>ie: when I do a nslookup of my server which has two nics or a box on my network it finds it no pb
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18:34<josh_>how do i find out if i have serial enabled in my kernel
18:34<petemc>dmesg|grep tty
18:35<josh_>nothing happens when i enter that
18:35<petemc>that tells you something
18:35<josh_>i dont have serial?
18:35<craigevil>if it worked you would get something like:
18:35<craigevil>serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
18:35<craigevil>00:09: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
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18:36<josh_>how do i enable serial then?
18:36*Designed [XMMS] Player Mp3
18:37*Designed [XMMS] Player Mp3 Lacuna Coil - To The Edge
18:37<abrotman>Designed: turn that off
18:38<Designed>-.-
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18:38<Designed>not? :D
18:38<abrotman>yes
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18:38<Designed>hahhaah ok ^^
18:38<xsxcwws>my computer uses the ntpd to synchronize time. unfortunately the default implementation of /etc/init.d/ntp does not work for me. my network is too slow thus i do not get an ip in time.
18:39<xsxcwws>what would be the bcp to solve this race?
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18:39<xsxcwws>my syslog sais none of the ntp servers could be resolved to a name
18:39<xsxcwws>ip*
18:40<xsdg>xsxcwws: IP? huh?
18:40<xsxcwws>xsdg: yeah the hostnames in the config can not be resolved.
18:41<xsxcwws>this is because my network is not up.
18:41<xsdg>xsxcwws: are you using a static address? dynamic?
18:41<xsxcwws>somehow the ntpd never checks again
18:41<xsxcwws>xsdg: dynamic through dhcp
18:41<josh_>do i enable serial be editing the grub menu or do i have to reconfigure my kernel
18:42<xsdg>josh_: that made no sense
18:42<josh_>be=by
18:42<xsdg>xsxcwws: if you do `ps ax | grep ntp`, do you see anything?
18:42*Designed [XMMS] Player Mp3 Dimmu Borgir - Dreamside Dominions
18:42<xsxcwws>xsdg: yes
18:42<xsdg>Designed: please turn your music thing off
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18:43<josh_>how do i enable seriral in my kernel??
18:43<xsdg>josh_: you need to edit the kernel commandline arguments to use a serial console. If serial console support wasn't compiled into your kernel, then you'll need to reconfigure and recompile as well
18:43<xsdg>josh_: google for "linux serial console"
18:43<xsxcwws>xsdg: when i run /etc/init.d/ntp restart everything is fine
18:43<xsdg>xsxcwws: yes, but the question is if it's running in the meanwhile or not
18:43<xsxcwws>xsdg: this is because my network is up and running when i type in my shell.
18:44<xsdg>xsxcwws: I use ntp on my laptop and have never had issues that I can recall
18:44<DeepDayze>slh's kernels should have serial already enabled I believe
18:44<xsdg>xsxcwws: what version of ntp do you have installed?
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18:47<xsxcwws>1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2
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18:47<xsdg>hmm... that seems reasonable
18:47<xsxcwws>thats the package
18:47<abrotman>petemc: that guy went into #-ot
18:48<petemc>what guy?
18:48<xsdg>xsxcwws: does dhclient return before it's successfully brought the interface up?
18:48<xsdg>xsxcwws: (that is, I presume you're having `ifup -a` take care of dhcp on your interface on boot)
18:49<xsxcwws>how do i check that? i did not change my default network settings.
18:49<abrotman>petemc: that idiot guy above
18:49<abrotman>petemc: and then claimed he wasn't banned anywhere :)
18:50<petemc>ah
18:50<xsxcwws>xsdg: dhclient does not return
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18:50<xsdg>xsxcwws: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; echo "back at the command line!"
18:50<xsxcwws>xsdg: i checked, and it returns 1 sec later
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18:51<xsdg>xsxcwws: there's probably another dhclient running already, unless you've killed it
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18:52<xsxcwws>xsdg: i am not quite sure if this is important, but i have vmware running
18:52<xsxcwws>and naturally i get ips for my vmnet up early
18:53<xsxcwws>but in this case my host runs a dhcp server
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18:55<xsdg>xsxcwws: well, `ifup` shouldn't return until your interface has an IP, or until it fails to get an IP (which will likely take 30 seconds to 1 minute)
18:55<xsdg>I'm not sure it's important it's under vmware or not
18:56<xsdg>xsxcwws: if ifup is returning when it's supposed to, I don't see how ntp could be starting without net
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18:57<xsxcwws>xsdg: i got the important part of my syslog up
18:57<xsxcwws>http://pastebin.ca/953271
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18:57<petemc>http://flickr.com/photos/petemc/171622608/
18:58<petemc>feck, ignore pls
18:58<twodogs>anyone here use xen?
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18:58<petemc>twodogs: yes
18:59<twodogs>petemc: do you have use gnome or any other gui?
18:59<petemc>within the context of xen, no
19:00<petemc>all paravirt, debian guests with no x
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19:01<twodogs>petemc: xen is suppose to be able to run windows, but how can i get windows to run if i have no gui?
19:01<petemc>vnc
19:01<twodogs>petemc: or no video card rather
19:01<xsxcwws>xsdg: could you please look into my syslog? i am not sure if ifup returns before ntp starts
19:01<twodogs>even for the install?
19:02<petemc>yes
19:02<xsdg>xsxcwws: ok, network manager seems broken, then (or at least, it it's configurable, it should have some config option to not return until after the iface has an IP)
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19:02<xsdg>xsxcwws: I've never used network manager before, though, so I have no idea
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19:03<twodogs>petemc: is there no video cards your aware that support xen? supposedly dedora and ubuntu will... but id really like to stay with debian
19:03<twodogs>dedora= fedora
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19:04<xsxcwws>xsdg: ok thanks, now at least i know what the problem could be
19:04<xsdg>xsxcwws: good luck
19:05<petemc>twodogs: suuporting xen is a vague term, i know there is work being done to allow xen guests to use the high end capabilities of nvidia cards, but i know very little about it
19:06<twodogs>petemc: thanks for your time... thats what i was reading.. but was hoping there was something i was overlooking :D
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19:12<tingle>how can i unzip something in debian etch? i did a pretty much minimal install
19:12<tingle>i prolly need unzip?
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19:13<petemc>tingle: are you still unsure?
19:13<xsdg>petemc: :o)
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19:14<petemc>whats an appropriate reply to a smiley?
19:15<petemc>i dont want to be rude..
19:16<abrotman>petemc: @--->-- or something ?
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19:34<josh><josh> i'm reconfiguing my kenrel so that it will support serial for my tablet, i'm at the configuration menu where is it that i enable serial?
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19:35<petemc>its years since i compiled a kernel, but input devices?
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20:22<cutewhitedaisy>how can I list the exported functions in a shared library?
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20:22<tingle>im getting some warnings about fonts in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (http://pastebin.com/d71ab331a) does anyone know how i can fix them?
20:22<xsdg>cutewhitedaisy: I'll just offer "ranlib", "nm", and "ar" as guesses that might help
20:23<xsdg>err... maybe not...
20:23<ifvoid>objdump, I guess
20:23<xsdg>ooh
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20:26<jrolland-iMac>OK, I have a stupid question
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20:29<munki>hey guys, i'm trying to boot the floppy install disks for lenny from a USB floppy drive, and it keeps loading the kernel, but then panicking "floppy0: no floppy controllers found"
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20:32<jrolland-iMac>Sorry about that
20:34<jrolland-iMac>How do I get nautilus/gdm to display the "counterclockwise circle" instead of the watch icon
20:34<jrolland-iMac>?
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20:34<jrolland-iMac>I had a meltdown with nautilus and reinstalled gnome-core, and now something is different
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20:35<jrolland-iMac>The "minimize-maximize-close" buttons are different and I have a watch for the "waitng mouse"
20:37<ifvoid>sounds like you're missing some themes
20:37<jrolland-iMac>OK
20:38<jrolland-iMac>Do you know what themes are installed at installation if you select workstation?
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20:43<familia>boa tarde
20:43<familia>alguem sabe uma sala em PT-BR
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20:47<bma>!pt
20:47<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:57<user01>how do i config the mouse icon in gnome? i just did an update and it switched it to the default x-windows mouse
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21:17<user01>where can you set mouse animation for x-window?
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21:47<kris>wassup/
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21:47<petemc>feck all
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21:51<kris>how ya join other servers?
21:51<petemc> /connect irc.foo.net
21:52<kris>ok
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22:00<Killing_Frost>Greetings, .
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22:01<Ryanhedge>Anyone home?
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22:01<blarson>Ryanhedge: no
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22:01*Killing_Frost is home...sitting in front of his puter.
22:02<Ryanhedge>Ok why is debian blocking me from my USB drive from a fresh install?
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22:02<Ryanhedge>Donno if that was clear enough.
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22:04<Killing_Frost>Are you in the plugdev group?
22:04<Ryanhedge>Nope.
22:04<Ryanhedge>Er let me check before I put my foot in my mouth.
22:05<tata>hello
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22:05<tata>how do i convert flv files??
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22:06<petemc>ffmpeg or mencoder
22:06<Killing_Frost>To what?
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22:06<tata>hello
22:06<Ryanhedge>Hmmm, I don't see plugdev at all.
22:06<tata>how do i convert flv files
22:07<Killing_Frost>cat /etc/group | grep plug
22:07<kurumin>p-c
22:07<kurumin>ola
22:07<tata>??
22:07<Ryanhedge>From the terminal?
22:07<petemc>tata: google for debian convert flx
22:07<petemc>erm , flv
22:07<Killing_Frost>Shure.
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22:08<Ryanhedge>Spat this out at me.
22:08<tata>ive googled but the answers r in exe files
22:08<Ryanhedge>plugdev:x:46:ryanhedge
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22:08<petemc>tata: no, there are plenty of guides for using linux tools
22:08<Killing_Frost>Sounds like no one's in it.
22:08<tata>n wine does not work
22:09<Killing_Frost>Nevuh hoid of flv files.
22:10*Killing_Frost steps out to make toilet bowl water more yellow.
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22:11<Ryanhedge>Hrrrm what gruop should I thow my username into?
22:11<Requiem>anybody have any idea why a hard disk would overheat after moving from windows to linux?
22:12<Ryanhedge>Wow...I brought the chain oh questions on.
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22:15*Killing_Frost has the opposite problem. Windows makes my drives hotter. You can install hdparm and check/set your drive settings.
22:16<Ryanhedge>So how do I add my Username to plugdev?
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22:16<Killing_Frost>Just type in your username after the colon, or a comma separated list of usernames.
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22:18<Killing_Frost>Saves looking it up in a man page, anyway.
22:18<Ryanhedge>Sorry I don't understand what you mean.
22:18<Ryanhedge>cat /etc/group | grep plug doesn't have a colon comma.
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22:19<Killing_Frost>Alright. 'man group'
22:20<Killing_Frost>If 'plugdev' isn't in the group listing, then it's likely your USB ports weren't recognized and supported.
22:20<bma>Ryanhedge, 'adduser <username> plugdev'
22:20<Ryanhedge>No it sees my USB just fine.
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22:20<Ryanhedge>I ca connect devices to it.
22:21<Ryanhedge>It just denies permission to my USB drives.
22:21<Killing_Frost>Then you need to add yourself to the plugdev group.
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22:23*Ryanhedge sighs
22:23<Ryanhedge>Feel dumb here.
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22:23<Ryanhedge>I get command not found or no such file with that.
22:25<Killing_Frost>Use your favorite editor to edit /etc/group Cursor to the plugdev line, cursor to the end of the line, and type in your username, then save the file.
22:26<Ryanhedge>That's much easier thanks.
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22:28<Killing_Frost>You might want to add the name to the audio, cdrom, and floppy groups as well while you're there.
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22:29<Ryanhedge>Great there isn't a gruops folder.
22:29<Ryanhedge>Do I need to login to root?
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22:29<Killing_Frost>it's a file called /etc/group
22:30<Killing_Frost>You'll need to edit it from root.
22:30<Ryanhedge>There you are you lil peice of...
22:30<Ryanhedge>Hmmm.
22:31<Ryanhedge>Now it says I am in Plugdev.
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22:31<Ryanhedge>Maybe I need to log.
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22:33<Requiem>would a high or low power management number lower the power usage of the drive with hpdarm?
22:33<ryanhedge>Ok..That didn't do it.
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22:34*Killing_Frost hasn't needed to use usb devices in linux as yet. There may be a mount command for pin drives.
22:34<ryanhedge>What about changing my user level?
22:35<Killing_Frost>If you're in the group, the level is already set.
22:37<ryanhedge>And it doesn't seem to let me log in as root from the login screen.
22:37*Killing_Frost looks around for a pin drive and tries it out.
22:38<ryanhedge>This may make me look dumb but should it really matter that it's an external HDD?
22:38<Requiem>um...
22:38<Requiem>its not ntfs is it?
22:38<Killing_Frost>Drives have to be mount'ed.
22:39<ryanhedge>It plopped itself right on the desktop
22:39<ryanhedge>It's USB external and it automounted.
22:39<tata>how do i convert flv files
22:40<ryanhedge>Is FLV movie or Audio?
22:40<tata>movie
22:40<tata>i wanna tfr them 2 my mobile
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22:41<ryanhedge>What format does the mobile use?
22:41<tata>3gp
22:41<tata>or wmv
22:41<ryanhedge>Oy can't really help you then.
22:41<ryanhedge>Oh..Wmv.
22:41<tata>??/
22:42<tata>even aac or mp4 will do
22:43<petemc>tata: as you've been told, ffmpeg or mencoder can do what you need
22:43<tata>unfortunately i get a error msg
22:43<Requiem>AHA!
22:43<tata>incomplete file
22:43<Requiem>holding at 42 with the standby timeout at 5 seconds
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22:44<Requiem>so, next question, how do I make hdparm settings permanent?
22:46<ryanhedge>http://youmakemedia.com/2006/10/13/converting-flv-to-mpeg-in-linux/
22:46<ryanhedge>There you go Tata
22:46<tata>thx
22:46<ryanhedge>You might beed to get FFMPEG from the pakage manager or somewhere else.
22:47<tata>thx 1 more
22:49<ryanhedge>Bleh Debian isn't as fun as Xubuntu was..
22:50<gsimmons>Requiem: Provide your hdparm options within /etc/default/hdparm.
22:51*Killing_Frost returns and shrugs, vowing to explore pin drive stuff later.
22:51<tata>well i get 'input file is truncated and/or corrupted'
22:52<tata>yoo hoo
22:52<petemc>sounds like your file is either truncated and/or corrupted
22:52<ryanhedge>I'll keep at it..Linux is a learning experience I've noticed.
22:52<tata>all of them and they play fully in otem wht nonsence!!!
22:53<Requiem>seems like it's still accessing the drive every 5 seconds
22:53<Killing_Frost>Yep. And no maps except for the howtos.
22:53<ryanhedge>Drive maybe going bad?
22:53<Requiem>it was fine under XP
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22:54<Requiem>of course, an OS install is a big operation, could be the final blow
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22:54<Requiem>still have the restore CD, can verify it for sure if I need to
22:55<gsimmons>Requiem: Using ext3? 5 seconds is the default data/metadata commit interval.
22:55<Requiem>is there a way to extend that?
22:55<gsimmons>Requiem: man mount, "commit" option for ext3.
22:56<Requiem>hrm, fstab is the file that controls the mount at boot right?
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23:02<Requiem>yep
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23:31<Requiem>hmm
23:32<Requiem>access times every 15 secs now
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