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00:13<rockstar>I'm using a plain etch install, and it appears like the php5-dev libs are broken. Anyone have an idea how to fix this?
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00:15<josh>i get no output when i lsmod | grep serial ,, what does that mean
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00:17<Guest2282>?
00:18<Requiem>that there's no output in lsmod that says serial
00:19<Guest2282>does ti mean my kernel doesnt's support serial
00:19<Requiem>no
00:19<Requiem>I don't think that's even possible
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00:20<Requiem>use pastebin and show me what lsmod outputs
00:20<Guest2282>http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60692/
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00:22<Requiem>"serio_raw 6692 0 " maybe?
00:22<Requiem>what device are you hooking up to the serial port?
00:23<Guest2282>hm
00:23<Guest2282>it's my tablet on my laptop (tablet pc)
00:24<Guest2282>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-handheld-25/howto-get-your-gateway-or-finepoint-pen-working-497879/
00:24<Guest2282>this is a link to what i'm doing
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00:25<Requiem>okay...
00:26<Requiem>so outside of the serial.cnf thing, pretty straightforward
00:26<Guest2282>yep
00:26<Guest2282>the serial is my only problem
00:27<Requiem>one moment
00:27<Requiem>hard drive is slooow
00:29<Guest2282>i'm supposed to dmesg | grep ttyS and that's suppose to tell me the port and irq but nothing happens when i do that
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00:29<Requiem>hmm, I get: 00:0a: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
00:30<Guest2282>i wish i could get that
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00:33<Requiem>I dunno
00:34<Guest2282>could it be that serial ins't configured in my kernel
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00:34<Requiem>iirc, you need serial to work before you even POST
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00:36<Requiem>there's no setting file for it I can find
00:36<Requiem>everything I find in search is source code in the home partition
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00:38<Requiem>are you using a custom kernel?
00:39<Guest2282>me?
00:39<Guest2282>no
00:39<Requiem>I have no idea then
00:39<Requiem>the only things I can find on my system that are related are in kernel sourcefiles
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00:43<Guest2282>in my /dev i have ttyS0-3, those are serial things right?
00:45<Guest2282>Requiem: check out http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60693/
00:45<Guest2282>lines 404-409 are those serial?
00:45<oliveira>oi
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00:48<Requiem>yeah
00:48<Requiem>406 is probing the Stty0 port
00:49<Requiem>it doesn't find anything when it does though
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00:51<Guest2282>when i go in windows, i can see that it uses irq 4, and range of 06a8-06af
00:53<Guest2282>i had it working in ubuntu
00:56<noli>anybody here ?
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00:59<Guest2282>Requiem: rvn:/dev# setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16450 port 0x06a8 irq 4 baud_base 38400
00:59<Guest2282>Cannot set serial info: Device or resource busy
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01:40<arguapacha>Hi. I think My Debian configuration is assuming that the hardware clock is in UTC, when it is actually set UTC -5. I.e. now it is 00.40, but the KDE clock shows 19.40. Even if I change it, at the next reboot, it is the same story. Anyone can help?
01:42<Requiem>rtc is broken in Debian
01:42<Requiem>you need to either change the clock in the BIOS or change your timezone to one that matches
01:43<Requiem>or set up NTP
01:43<Requiem>NTP is probably the best option
01:43<arguapacha>That's bad :( but thanks. At least now I have and Idea why and what to do... thanks A LOT
01:43<arguapacha>^_^
01:43<Requiem>no prob
01:44<arguapacha>NTP isn't working properly either... I installed it, but does not sinchronize unless I reload it
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02:02<munki>hey guys, i'm trying to boot the floppy install disks for lenny from a USB floppy drive, and it keeps loading the kernel, but then panicking "floppy0: no floppy controllers found"
02:02<pedro>#java-br
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02:20<ranix>munki: try an older distribution (sarge or etch) and dist-upgrade
02:20<munki>well, i kind of have to use lenny because i'm using the disks to install ubuntu
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02:25<sauvin>I just re-installed debian. Problem is, it installed AMD64, and I'm not sure that's what I want because of things like lack of flash plugin support. How tough is it to convert the system to 32-bit? If it's too much bother, how to tell the install DVD to install a K7 version?
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02:32<alaya>flash works flawlessly here
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02:36<Requiem>the base DVD should install 32 bit by default
02:38<Requiem>How do I make hdparm settings permanent?
02:38<dli_>RedProphet, /etc/default/hdparm
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02:39<Requiem>I did that, it didn't take
02:39<Requiem>/etc/hdparm.conf doesn't work either
02:39<dli_>Requiem, make sure you have /etc/init.d/hdparm enabled
02:40<Requiem>how do I do that?
02:40<dli_>RedProphet, update-rc.d
02:42<Requiem>um...
02:43<Requiem>it says there's already a script for it
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02:59<Requiem>screw it, its 40 bucks for a new drive and I need RAM anyway
02:59<Requiem>may as well shop
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03:18<josh>i have finished confiuting my lniux box and now i need to make and image of it for savekeepign, what should i use?
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03:26<suiside>Guest2303: dd, rsync, tarpipe, pick your poison, although I'd go for either rsync and archive the copy afterwards or a tarpipe as dd vill create diskimages the size of the partition, empty space included
03:27<suiside>make sure you keep file permissions
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03:31<Guest2303>i'm lookig at mondo it looks pretty good too
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04:20<dye>I've been asked to build some linux boxes for a school in peru; the machines have low ram and I'm trying to slim down etch. What can I do to reduce the > 100Megs of ram in use without X?
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04:27<zeev>Hi, I have yesterday tried to install debian testing using debian installer and everything seemed to go smoothly but when I eventually had to reboot, I got following message: http://paste.debian.net/51681
04:28<zeev>on booting
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04:31<_ZeuZ_>gosh, gOs is based on Debian?
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04:37<blarson>dye: depends on what you are running. You do realize linux uses all avaliable ram don't you?
04:37<Requiem>gOS is based on something that's based on something thats based on debian
04:39<blarson>zeev: did it boot after you hit enter?
04:39<zeev>no: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
04:39<zeev>(initramfs)
04:40<dye>blarson: I didn't, actually. On my own workstations, it seems to leave a lot of ram free
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04:41<blarson>zeev: file an install report. we want to find these things before it becomes stable.
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04:41<spartan>hi ppl
04:41<zeev>blarson: /Mounting /dev/root on /root failed: no such device
04:42<spartan>i made a module for custom kernel but when i do insmod it wont load
04:42<dye>blarson: anyway, I've stripped it down pretty well I think. Xorg + blackbox is still pretty heavy it seems. I can only run a few light programs without noticing paging slowdown. Maybe it can't be helped
04:42<spartan>it says its loaded but modprobe says different
04:43<blarson>dye: you can run top to see where your ram is used.
04:43<zeev>blarson: why does it fail to mount /dev/root?
04:43<Requiem>my install has bluetooth and printer services, don't necessarily need those
04:44<spartan>zeev mazbe no initrd or no support for drivers (ata,ide,scsi etc)
04:44<blarson>zeev: I don't know.
04:45<zeev>I have an old box though...
04:45<maks>zeev: what's shown before that error?
04:46<zeev>it is the first thing I get after pressing enter
04:46<zeev>before it: http://paste.debian.net/51681
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04:46<maks>what's your cat /proc/cmdline, are any relevant modules loaded cat /proc/modules
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04:47<maks>does your keyboard respond zeev ?
04:47<zeev>yes
04:47<zeev>there some more errors after it:
04:48<zeev>Begin: Running /screpts/init-bottom ...
04:48<zeev>mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: no such file or directory
04:48<zeev>then /sys
04:48<zeev>then /proc
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04:49<maks>boah that is pretty late in the game
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04:51<zeev>I was told I should remove uswsusp
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04:51<zeev>is it related to the problem?
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04:52<maks>zeev: you are dumped into initramfs rescue shell, right?
04:52<zeev>right
04:52<maks>yes so please respond to the question i asked above
04:52<maks>concerning bootargs and loaded modules
04:53<zeev>a... one second
04:54<zeev>cat /proc/cmdline:
04:54<zeev>auto BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=806
04:54<maks>oh lilo, and does /dev/sdaX exist ?
04:55<zeev>no
04:55<zeev>hdaX
04:55<maks>hmm what's that box?
04:56<zeev>an old laptop... 7 years old...
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04:56<maks>ah ok so wrong bootarg as it seems
04:56<zeev>so what should I do?
04:56<zeev>grub would be a better choice?
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04:57<maks>been quite some time that used lilo
04:57<maks>you should be able at start to pass an append bootarg
04:57<maks>with correct root=/dev/hdaX
04:58<zeev>hmm... how?...
04:58<maks>but as i said haven't used lilo for a while so someone else might have better advise
04:58<maks>or you can fix bootarg with rescue cd
04:58<zeev>(my cd drive is no longer alive)
04:59<zeev>so the problem was in lilo?
04:59<maks>no wrong root bootarg
04:59<zeev>so grub would be the same?
04:59<maks>has a /dev/sdaX something and should be /dev/hdaX
05:00<maks>with grub easy to fix on boot, but should be possible with lilo too
05:00<zeev>which file should I change afterwards?
05:00<zeev>lilo.conf?
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05:01<zeev>or fstab?
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05:01<maks>yes the root=/dev/hda7 line instead root=/dev/sda7, fstab too
05:01<zeev>no other files?
05:01<maks>no, hope someone else chimes in with lilo hint, good luck
05:02<zeev>thanks
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05:12<_ZeuZ_>See ya guys, will take a nap now...
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05:14<zeev>how can I hold lilo-booting in order to append root=/dev/hda7?
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05:16<spartan_>can someone help with fglrx module under custom kernel
05:17<spartan_>insmod says its inserted modprobe says fatal module not found
05:17<spartan_>i got ati drivers and compiled custom module it all went ok i dont understand why it wont load correctly
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05:21<spartan_>anybody?
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05:25<zeev>how can I change all occurences of sda to hda in a text file?"
05:25<zeev> is there a command for this?
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05:29<weasel>zeev: any sane editor can do that
05:29<weasel>in vim you'd :%s/sda/hda/g
05:29<imperia>how can i disable "--MARK--" in logs. i am using syslog-ng
05:29<weasel>or you could use sed. sed -i -e 's/sda/hda/g' /foo
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05:30<zeev>thanks
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05:30<weasel>imperia: I don't think syslog-ng prints --MARK--.
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05:35<spartan_>weasel can u remove ban from spar74n plz
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05:37<imperia>weasel: what do it then? i guess it the source log itself then, but how do i disable that "MARK"ing"?
05:38<weasel>imperia: MARK reminds me of syslogd.
05:38<imperia>weasel: yes but aptitude install syslog-ng removes syslogd and klogd automaticly
05:39<spartan_>weasel can u help me with fglrx module problem?
05:39<weasel>no.
05:39<weasel>and I don't want to, either.
05:40<spartan_>weasel why? is that?
05:40<weasel>because you don't spell you correctly and because you can ask the channel, and not individual people. in short, because you lack irc etiquette. HAND.
05:40<weasel>(there's also the fact that I don't have an ATI card)
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05:41<spartan_>i know i lack irc etiquette i am sorry for that but i do have will to learn i taught that was most important...
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05:42<art3mis>morning
05:42<art3mis>quick question
05:42<art3mis>does debian have a cli system config thingy like /stand/sysinstall ?
05:42<weasel>what's that?
05:42<art3mis>etch specifically
05:42<spartan_>so i cant help anybody also because i dont have irc etiquette
05:42<art3mis>sorta like base-config i suppose
05:43<weasel>probably not
05:43<art3mis>cept that bae-config is depreciated on etch and apt-get doesnt work
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05:43<weasel>you really are supposed to just edit the config files of services you want to configure
05:44<art3mis>its more or base options like console settings time/date compatbility that sorta thing
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05:44<weasel>spartan_: you are painful to read. you should really pay more attention to things like punctuation.
05:44<art3mis>what i really need o check is is i have a capability kernel module
05:44<weasel>check the kernel config?
05:45<oxymor00n>art3mis: reconfigure the packages, console-data for example
05:45<spartan_>weasel i am very sorry english is not my native language
05:45<art3mis>Security options --->
05:45<art3mis> [*] Enable different security models
05:45<art3mis> <*> Default Linux Capabilities
05:45<art3mis>thats what im looking for
05:45<art3mis>in console
05:45<spartan_>weasel i really think you are missing the forest from all the trees
05:46<art3mis>stupid "guide" neglects to mention how to get to it ;P
05:46<valdyn>art3mis: you probably cant get to it.
05:46<weasel>art3mis: grep CAPA /boot/config-`uname -r`
05:46<valdyn>art3mis: due to dependencies certain configuration options arent always optional
05:46<weasel>art3mis: grep CONFIG_SEC /boot/config-`uname -r`
05:47<weasel>art3mis: you either want CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES set to y, or CONFIG_SECURITY not set at all.
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05:47<weasel>(the second part is just a wild guess tho)
05:48<art3mis>hrm okies thanks
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05:48<weasel>art3mis: if you run a debian kernel it's probably already enabled. is it?
05:48<weasel>also, why do you care?
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05:54<art3mis>dtc mentions it
05:54<art3mis>and the snippet of it looked like a menu in textmode
05:54<art3mis>thus i was curious where exactly that lived
05:56<maks>spartan_: did you try ati driver from unstable?
05:57<maks>art3mis: what is dtc?
05:57<imperia>found it! adding mark_freq(time_seconds) in syslog-ng.conf. if no syslog message is generated in $time_seconds then --MARK-- is added to logs
05:58<art3mis>its a hoting "software" like cpanel or plecks dtcsupport.gplhost.com
05:58<spartan_>maks yes i did fglrx just wont work i got radeon 9600. it works if i use ati driver not fglrx
05:58<spartan_>maks But i dont have TVOut...
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06:04<imperia>how can i turn off my monitor using dpms in console. right now it only goes black,but doesn't turn off
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06:06<art3mis>push the power button? ;)
06:06<imperia>that's some retro solution
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06:14<cahoot>http://alexis.m2osw.com/console.html
06:16<valdyn>!dpms
06:16<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section).
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06:16<valdyn>i doubt plain console can use dpms. I'm wrong?
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06:17<valdyn>i am.
06:17<cahoot>http://alexis.m2osw.com/console.html seems to imply else
06:17<valdyn>right
06:18<valdyn>debian should have an integrated script already, probably
06:19<imperia>valdyn: i meant console only dpms.. don't have X installed
06:19<valdyn>imperia: yes, thats what im talking about too
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06:20<valdyn>!find etc/init.d/console
06:20<dpkg>Debian Search of 'etc/init.d/console' (5): (/etc/init.d/console-log) in admin/console-log ;; (/etc/init.d/console-screen.kbd.sh) in utils/kbd ;; (/etc/init.d/console-setup) in utils/console-setup ;; (/etc/init.d/console-screen.sh) in utils/console-tools ;; (/etc/init.d/console-cyrillic) in misc/console-cyrillic.
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06:21<valdyn>to bad i see no debian tool
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06:22<valdyn>( for console dpms )
06:22<imperia>valdyn: so i should set that manually via ESC commands?
06:22<valdyn>imperia: like what website sais, i guess
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06:24<imperia>yes ok.. thanks
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06:27<valdyn>imperia: wrong again
06:27<valdyn>imperia: edit /etc/kbd/config
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06:28<valdyn>imperia: or /etc/console-tools/config, depending on the packages you have installed, have dpms stuff supported
06:28<valdyn>imperia: or /etc/console-tools/config, depending on the packages you have installed, both have dpms stuff supported
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06:32<grelle>Is there any way to remount a filesystem as read/write when it has been shut down because of an error? 'errors=remount-rw' is not documented. Should I use 'errors=continue' instead?
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06:33<valdyn>grelle: why at all?
06:33<valdyn>grelle: if you are trying to reboot to get it rw you might aswell run fsck first and clean it up
06:33<grelle>valdyn: I have to remount it to get it up and running again
06:33<valdyn>grelle: the default is "rw"
06:33<valdyn>grelle: mount -o remount,rw
06:34<valdyn>grelle: dangerous on a fs with errors
06:34<grelle>valdyn: yes, but I want it to be automatic
06:34<art3mis>aha i found it!
06:34<art3mis>its in the make menuconfig for the kernel
06:35<valdyn>grelle: thats sick, why would you do that?
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06:35<grelle>valdyn: It happens once a day or something like that. It's one of my SATA controller that doesn't work properly
06:35<valdyn>grelle: it might not even store new data, what would be the point of a black hole fs
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06:38<grelle>valdyn: I thought a remount did an fsck. It's an XFS fs btw...so I guess it's xfs_check?
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06:39<grelle>valdyn: And it's not my root filesystem, it's a filesystem that contains not so important data
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06:41<valdyn>grelle: or xfs_repair already
06:42<grelle>valdyn: Ok, there is no way to get that automatic? when an error occur, unmount, repair, remount
06:42<valdyn>grelle: i dont think so
06:43<valdyn>grelle: repairing also isnt really automatic, unless you accept any possible data loss
06:43<grelle>valdyn: I do accept dataloss
06:44<valdyn>grelle: just do errors=continue
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06:45<grelle>valdyn: ahh, ok. that works? I don't get a "black hole fs" if I do that?
06:45<valdyn>grelle: sure you could get that
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06:45<valdyn>grelle: but fscking blindly will also drop random data
06:45<grelle>valdyn: but that's no good. =) I want new data to be stored in a proper place, and broken "links" in the fs to be fixed/removed
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06:46<valdyn>grelle: this isnt the right way to fix this, the right way is to fix the real error
06:46<valdyn>grelle: not work around it
06:47<grelle>valdyn: mm...it will be fixed once I get another controller...
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06:47<valdyn>grelle: fsck isnt magic, it can only make the fs consistent, it cannot make files with wrong content correct
06:48<grelle>what exactly does "ignore errors and just mark the file system erroneous" mean. what is marked, and where?
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06:48<valdyn>grelle: that's an implementation detail of each fs
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06:48<grelle>valdyn: yes, but that's what I want. a consistent filesystem. errornous data will be replaced automatic because a hash check will fail
06:50<panagos>i've noticed that the default installation of apache sends charset=iso-8859-1 in its headers; how can i make it send charset=utf-8 instead?
06:50<Co_creative>jjj
06:51<grelle>valdyn: If 'errors=continue' gives me a consistent fs, then I'm good. =)
06:51<valdyn>grelle: it doesnt
06:51<valdyn>grelle: you cant unmount when something is accessing an fs still
06:51<grelle>valdyn: damn...=) I have to do xfs_repair on it?
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06:51<valdyn>grelle: which obviously is the case during the time an error is showing
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06:52<valdyn>grelle: and you must unmount to run fsck
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06:52<valdyn>grelle: you can only do errors=panic and set panic to trigger a reboot and do whatever on reboot
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06:53<Guest2317>Does soemebody know, if it is possible in Linux to use web cam messenger with MSN ?
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06:53<valdyn>grelle: and remount,ro -> fsck -> remount,rw in that order is broken, it doesnt work, it fucks up the fs
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06:54<grelle>valdyn: maybe I could make a little daemon that can be triggered on fs error and do what I need...?
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06:54<valdyn>grelle: that daemon cannot unmount it
06:55<valdyn>grelle: no one can unmount it
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06:55<grelle>valdyn: It can't get root priv?
06:55<valdyn>grelle: i already examplained why
06:55<valdyn>grelle: you can verify that yourself
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06:56<grelle>valdyn: nothing is accessing the fs if I shut down all services that try to access is?
06:56<grelle>valdyn: like ssh, ftp, and samba
06:56<grelle>valdyn: Then I can unmount it as root
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06:57<valdyn>grelle: try it
06:58<valdyn>grelle: you might have to use kill -9, which is again totally broken
06:58<grelle>valdyn: I just did, because it just happened again =)
06:58<grelle>"xfs_force_shutdown(dm-0,0x1) called from line 424 of file fs/xfs/xfs_rw.c. Return address = 0xf8ce5708"
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07:01<grelle>valdyn: It starts with this "Log I/O Error Detected. Shutting down filesystem" and then it tries to do a softreset on the device which fails, and then a 'hard reset' which works
07:02<grelle>valdyn: I'm not sure what I would have to 'kill -9'
07:02<grelle>valdyn: again, my root fs is fine, it's just a specific mount point that brake every time
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07:12<valdyn>grelle: you arent really getting fs errors, probably, you should try errors=continue
07:13<valdyn>grelle: xfs seems to be "panicking" without retrying
07:14<grelle>valdyn: well...no. It's my sata controller that times out and cause the file system to shut down. But still, couldn't that cause errors on the fs? I guess with the journaling, it's unlikly, but still
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07:15<valdyn>grelle: i know errors like that only when having another layer between filesystem and disk, which is linux software raid
07:15<valdyn>grelle: in which case the fs does not even notice anything about issues
07:16<grelle>valdyn: I use LVM though
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07:16<valdyn>grelle: lvm does no consistency checks
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07:17<valdyn>grelle: the raid will fail and i'd have to manually readd the failed drive
07:17<grelle>valdyn: you mean like parity/hash checks?
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07:18<valdyn>grelle: like checking if a transaction worked or not
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07:18<valdyn>grelle: doesnt matter how it is done, it simply doesnt do anything in that direction so xfs gets to deal with the i/o error
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07:18<grelle>valdyn: ok, yeah. I know that's not possible with lvm. I will replace LVM with raid later, or nothing at all. LVM is just a hassle. =)
07:19<valdyn>grelle: lvm isnt a replacment for raid or vice versa
07:19<valdyn>grelle: its partition on steroids
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07:19<grelle>valdyn: but xfs should work itself out with the journal though, right?
07:20<valdyn>grelle: yes, once you unmount and mount again
07:20<grelle>valdyn: mm...it's just that I didn't want lots of "loose" partitions. And lvm is probably the worst choice in that case. =)
07:20<valdyn>grelle: lvm permits anything
07:20<valdyn>grelle: its like partition, without any restrictions
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07:21<valdyn>grelle: thus its also more complex to use
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07:21<grelle>valdyn: I'm also cheap, and don't want to waste space on redundancy. =)
07:22<zeev>I've just installed debian testing and I face following problem: my usb mp3 player is not mounted on plugging (it is recognized - gnome shows GENERIC USB DISK DEVICE Music Player, but if I click on it - "Unable to mount media there is probably no media in the drive" pops up)
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07:24<grelle>valdyn: Apparently, XFS does not support the "errors" option...
07:24<valdyn>grelle: i dont see a way to do what you want except parsing for the error in dmesg and acting upon that
07:24<zeev>it seems like no special entry was made for usb devices during installation in /etc/fstab
07:26<valdyn>zeev: you dont need an entry in /etc/fstab
07:26<zeev>so why doesn't it work?
07:26<grelle>valdyn: thanks anyway. I'll have to replace that sata controller asap
07:26<valdyn>zeev: what does "fdisk -l" say about that drive?
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07:27<valdyn>grelle: the real error before xfs gets it should be in dmesg too
07:27<valdyn>grelle: if you are very lucky you just have to switch off ncq
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07:28<grelle>valdyn: yes, it's timeout errors. i've tried to turn ncq off, it doesn't help
07:28<valdyn>grelle: ok.
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07:29<zeev>valdyn: could it be called /dev/sda ?
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07:29<valdyn>zeev: yes
07:29<zeev>because my hard drive is hda
07:30<zeev>he says there is 4 partitions... ?...
07:30<zeev>could it be?
07:30<valdyn>zeev: sure
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07:30<grelle>Btw. I would not recommend the SATA SiL chipset to anyone. I've had the same problems with two different models...
07:31<valdyn>i suppose the driver just isnt getting it right yet
07:31<zeev>valdyn: so what exactly would you like to know? fdisk -l says different things...
07:32<valdyn>grelle: sata has horrible buggy controllers combine with disks that have horribly buggy firmware
07:32<valdyn>grelle: in my experience
07:33<valdyn>zeev: that was ok already, try "mount /dev/sdaX /path/to/mountpoint/" for all partitions
07:34<valdyn>grelle: maybe a newer kernel would help you too
07:34<zeev>/dev/sda /mp works
07:34<m0RrE>okay, now i'm in deep shit.. somehow my hdd has gone crazy and when i try to boot i get the error message "target filesystem doesn't ave /sbin/init"
07:34<m0RrE>how do i fix this? :D
07:35<m0RrE>is it even fixable, or do i have to reinstall the whole system?
07:35<zeev>valdyn: the question now is: why cann't I do it through gnome, by clicking on it?
07:36<valdyn>zeev: are you in the plugdev group?
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07:36<zeev>hmm... how do I check it? /add me to it?
07:36<valdyn>zeev: type "groups"
07:37<zeev>yes
07:37<valdyn>zeev: yes what?
07:37<zeev>I am in that group
07:38<valdyn>zeev: did you try the mounting for all 4 partition?
07:38<zeev>no, just /dev/sda (but it worked)
07:38<valdyn>zeev: thats not even a paritition
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07:39<grelle>m0RrE: I'm no expert here, but I got a similar error when my disk devices changed path. I fixed it by mounting with uuid instead in /etc/fstab
07:39<fxiny>m0RrE: maybe not : when it started ?
07:40<zeev>but it worked anyway (it is also what I have on my other box in fstab - only /dev/sda - but there hotPlugging also stopped working recently)
07:40<zeev>so should I now mount all the partitions?
07:42<m0RrE>god damn, i read somewhere that it might be an udev issue.. i think i'm going to try that.. booting with a livecd and reinstall udev
07:42<zeev>(having /dev/sda mounted I could copy a file from the usb player to my harddrive....)
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07:45<fxiny>zeev: it should be sda1 or sda4
07:45<zeev>yes
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07:45<fxiny>chech sda1 first if it fail try sda4
07:45<zeev>now I have the error: mount: only root can do that
07:46<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to mount the root partition by UUID and can same be specified in grub and actually work?
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07:47<zeev>how do I fix this issue with mount for root only?
07:47<grelle>EmleyMoor: yes
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07:48<imperia>looks like dpms for console is configurable thru /etc/console-tools/config
07:48<EmleyMoor>grelle: So I'm not restricted to using the label for root? Excellent!
07:48<zeev>should I be in mount group or so to do this?
07:48<kmap>Network experts, how can I tell Iceweasel to avoid proxy for URLs of the form 10.7.xxx.xxx, say?
07:48<grelle>EmleyMoor: my grub config kernel line: "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/706c3840-fdea-4aa0-9731-70cfa1d0cbf7 ro"
07:49<zeev>fxiny: should I be in mount group or so to do this?
07:49<kmap>I tried using some combinations like /24, but didn't quite get the hang of it.
07:49<EmleyMoor>grelle: Would root=UUID=... work?
07:50<grelle>EmleyMoor: No. And I don't think you can use labels either, but I'm not sure
07:50<zeev>valdyn: I can't mound as regular user - maybe that is the problem?
07:50<EmleyMoor>grelle: You can use labels
07:50<fxiny>zeev: avaiable groups are : less /etc/group
07:50<grelle>EmleyMoor: ok. I haven't tried that.
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07:50<EmleyMoor>grelle: But, as you say, there is a way. How about in the fstab? Does it need to be the /dev/disk way for / or will UUID=work there?
07:51<grelle>EmleyMoor: But the "root=UUID=" does not work, you have to specify the path
07:51<grelle>EmleyMoor: Yes, UUID= works in fstab
07:51<grelle>EmleyMoor: And LABEL=
07:51<grelle>EmleyMoor: Just not in the GRUB config
07:51*EmleyMoor converted a funny machine to labels last night but feels UUIDs would be better
07:52<zeev>fxiny: there seems to be no group called mount... so how can a regualar user mount a mp3 player?
07:52<fxiny>zeev: the only usb peripheral i own is a iomega250 (works on sda4) : i can mount is as a user by adding this to fstab :/dev/sda4 /media/zip250 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
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07:52<zeev>thanks
07:52<fxiny>zeev: gnome automahgically mount it
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07:53<fxiny>EmleyMoor: why UUIDs is better ?
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07:54<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Because if I install another disk with clashing labels, strange things might happen
07:54<fxiny>true , that's why i don't use label :)
07:55<EmleyMoor>Often, when I have disks to back up that have come off other machines, they go in whichever machine I have to shut down (for whatever reason) nexy
07:55<EmleyMoor>next
07:55<EmleyMoor>The machine I implemented this on has done some strange things with its device names on occasion
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07:56<newbie291>Hi guys :)
07:56-!-zeev [~zeev@cbl217-132-115-76.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
07:56<newbie291>Ok I have successfully installed Debian Base System on my computer
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07:57<newbie291>Now, I didn't select desktop environment during the installation because i wanted to keep download packages manually
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07:57<newbie291>now what packages i should download?
07:57<EmleyMoor>newbie291: That depends on what you want to do
07:57<fxiny>labels are somehow on the double handling line : can't get the logic of labelling
07:58<newbie291>I want gnome as my default desktop, no office, no evolution, no media players, just the basic utilities
07:59<fxiny>BBoyDanny: gnome-corer ?
07:59<fxiny>ops
07:59<fxiny>BBoyDanny: sorry
07:59<fxiny>newbie291: ^^^
07:59<gsimmons>!tell newbie291 -about install gnome
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07:59<fxiny>newbie291: try : apt-get -s install gnome-core , see if you like it
08:00<fxiny>ops
08:01<newbie291>xorg gnome-core gdm
08:01<newbie291>that will be all ?
08:01<fxiny>newbie291: -s isntall is just a simulation
08:02<newbie291>fxiny a simulation?
08:02<fxiny>newbie291: yes : nothing will be installed : you read and buy if you like it ;)
08:03<newbie291>cool i might try it
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08:03<newbie291>now i need to get back to installation will be right back :)
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08:05<dedi>i need keywords to google how to setup a own grafic interface on a new console for the second display
08:05<dedi>or any help for that :)
08:07<grelle>valdyn: You mentioned a newer kernel before. I don't think there is a later binary for debian (I have 2.6.18 now). If installing a new kernel is as simple as "make install" I see no problem with updating.
08:07<grelle>But I'm afraid I'll get loads of dependancy errors from other modules and what not...?
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08:09<valdyn>grelle: backports.org should have a newer kernel
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08:10<leviathan>hi
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08:10<leviathan>deutsch oder englisch?
08:11<leviathan>ok, ill ask in english
08:11<leviathan>following problem id like to solve:
08:11<leviathan>ive got maemo installed on my n810
08:11<grelle>valdyn: and there's little risk that I get weird errors with a backport kernel?
08:12<valdyn>grelle: yes, and you get the keep the old one
08:12<leviathan>id like to merge maxima and all his depencies from sid-source-tree to maemo-tree
08:12<leviathan>is there a simple automated way to do so?
08:14<valdyn>leviathan: wth is maxima, wth is sid-source-tree, n810 is some mobile phone i guess
08:14<gsimmons>leviathan: Try asking in #maemo on irc.freenode.net.
08:14<leviathan>n810 from nokia
08:14<leviathan>is a handheld
08:14<leviathan>running a debian-like linux-distro on int
08:14<leviathan>*it
08:15<leviathan>with a unpatched 2.6-kernel
08:15<leviathan>but maemo is modified a little bit
08:15<valdyn>leviathan: so maemo is probably a distro based on debian -> not supported here
08:16<valdyn>leviathan: there'S no "sid-source-tree", but debian ships upstread sources with a patch file that contains whatever debian "added"
08:16<valdyn>s/upstread/upstream/
08:16<leviathan>mhm, this i mean
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08:16<leviathan>sry for my english and my very small knowledge ^_^"
08:16<valdyn>leviathan: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/, dig your way thru, if you cant run "apt-get source <packagename>"
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08:18<leviathan>hmm, im resolving at the moment all depencies by hand
08:18<leviathan>but i was wondering if theres a possibility to resolv them automatically
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08:25<grelle>valdyn: just browsed the changelogs from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24. There has been _a lot_ of sata controller related changes. So I'm upgrading right now! thanks for the tip
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08:31<kurumin>ola
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08:34<poldy>I have a problem with ethernet driver, there is sis900 lan controler, i am making an instalation with disketes and i need to run internet connection in order to continue the instalation process, i can download a tar.gz with a driver from the manufacturer but the instalation manager can not read diskette with this file created in windows... can anybody tell me how to put the driver to the instalator or something else.. Thanks a lot
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08:39<grelle>hmm. I get this error duing 'apt-get update':
08:39<grelle>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
08:39<grelle>E: Error occurred while processing gfortran-4.3 (NewVersion1)
08:39<grelle>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.port80.se_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages
08:39<grelle>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
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08:40<Ganneff>grelle: use google.
08:40<grelle>Does anyone know how to resolve that?
08:40<grelle>Ganneff: he he, ok
08:43<grelle>Ganneff: Just for the record. I did read 'man apt-get'. But couldn't find anything there...=)
08:43<amphi>!tell grelle about dynamic mmap
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08:54<leleobhz>someone know some webscript to show the packages available for a repository?
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08:56<abrotman>packages.debian.org ?
08:58<leleobhz>abrotman: i want a complete list
08:58<leleobhz>and ill use for my own repository
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08:59<abrotman>you can open the Packages file i suppose
08:59<leleobhz>abrotman: i know
08:59<leleobhz>but i want to put this formated on a site
08:59<abrotman>so write a script to process it
09:00<leleobhz>abrotman: im asking if have something already done
09:00<leleobhz>its like: http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/apt/
09:00<valdyn>grelle: yea, alot, my own bug isnt fixed though
09:00<abrotman>if you just want a list of packages .. that's pretty easy to get from the packages file
09:00<leleobhz>(but this is a list-file only... i want someone that parses Packages.gz)
09:00<lupine>grep ?
09:01<valdyn>he wants his own pdo i guess
09:01<leleobhz>abrotman: have some parser already done?
09:01<valdyn>no idea if the source for pdo is available somewhere
09:01<abrotman>egrep "^Package" file
09:02<abrotman>list done!
09:02<leleobhz>¬¬
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09:02<valdyn>... | beautify
09:02<lupine>asctually, there is falcon
09:02<lupine>you could try that
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09:03<ashley__>hi
09:04<lupine>of course, falcon demands to manage the whole repo
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09:04<valdyn>http://falcon.landure.fr/
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09:07*EmleyMoor is rebooting
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09:08<garme>hi... i'm thinking about install debian in my laptop... but i don't know if the hardware support is good... can somebody help me? (ps. excuse my english)
09:09<abrotman>!laptop
09:09<dpkg>laptop is, like, All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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09:11<hellues>hey
09:11<hellues>i have a problem
09:11<hellues>!paste
09:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:12<garme>bye. c ya.
09:12<chealer>garme: not if you don't ask your question.
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09:13<hellues>http://paste.debian.net/51689
09:13<hellues>look at that how can i fix this error
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09:15<hellues>any help
09:18<Maulkin>hellues: what's the output of "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1"
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09:19<hellues>ii libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
09:19<Maulkin>hellues: go to #ubuntu
09:19<Maulkin>on irc.freenode.net
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09:20<hellues>i am on freenode ubuntu now but i thought ubuntu is like part of debian may be i find an answer i said to myself
09:20<hellues>:D
09:21<suiside>!ubuntu
09:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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09:31<ashley_>hi
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09:39<davi>When is the next stable release expected?
09:40<noflash>davi, maybe october
09:40<davi>great!
09:41<davi>Is testing usable?
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09:41<noflash>davi, I wouldn't use it on a production box...it varies from day to day
09:41<davi>ok
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09:44<chealer>!tell davi about wwlr
09:45<chealer>davi: yes
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09:47<davi>thanks chealer
09:47<davi>I prefer Debian to Ubuntu
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10:19<newbie291>ok now I have successfully installed gnome-core on my standard minimal system
10:19<newbie291>but the problem is that its not pretty the fonts are too small and windows are kind of hard
10:20<newbie291>what packages i should install to make it look better
10:22<newbie291>i am downloading gnome themes
10:22<newbie291>i think i also need fonts
10:23<newbie291>cool now I have clearlooks
10:23<newbie291>brb i think i need to restart xserver
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10:24<newbie291>am back
10:25<newbie291>So guys isn't this wonderful? I have installed an entirely new operating system on a computer that already has two other operating systems and i did that without using any cd rom or floppy or usb
10:26<newbie291>there were some guys helping me yesterday i wish i could find them and tell them how i did this
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10:26<newbie291>valdyn, you there?
10:27<cahoot>was it you with the non recognized cd?
10:27<newbie291>cahoot, yes :)
10:28<newbie291>cahoot, that was me and I installed it from another linux operating system it was fantastic
10:28<newbie291>and I think that may be i would use this way because it is a lot more faster than installing from a cd
10:29<cahoot>so now you run debian testing?
10:29<newbie291>cahoot, I am so happy :) I am finally home
10:29<newbie291>cahoot, yes
10:30<newbie291>cahoot, you see I had debian etch on my old computer then i bought this one and was using vista, xp, open suse and ubuntu but nothing gave me the comfort i had on my old debian
10:30<cahoot>I can understand that
10:30<newbie291>now i can finally do my work with peace
10:30<newbie291>i have this one more question
10:30<newbie291>you see I was using vista for a while
10:31<newbie291>and it had superb effects
10:31<cahoot>that's terra incognita
10:31<cahoot>(for me)
10:31<newbie291>I had these effects on ubuntu too
10:31<newbie291>i was wondering how could I get those effects on debian?
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10:32<cahoot>no idea - I stick with the plain standard gnome
10:32<newbie291>cahoot, what OS u use?
10:32<cahoot>on this laptopn testing
10:33<newbie291>cool
10:33<newbie291>cahoot, have you tried the new opensuse?
10:33<newbie291>its very pretty too but i had difficulty understanding Yast thing
10:33<cahoot>no I've quit distrohopping
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10:34<newbie291>cahoot, i can understand
10:34<newbie291>cahoot, its really awful trying some new distro and then realizing that you liked your old one better
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10:34<cahoot>the fate of many divorcees
10:35<newbie291>:)
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10:35<newbie291>ok i gotta go now I have to write a blog post about this
10:36<newbie291>and then i have to sync my browser and download some necessary tools
10:36<newbie291>take care
10:36<cahoot>ok
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11:15<Aleric>Does anyone know how to mark a mail in mutt as unread?
11:15<flami>Hi, I have this:" 30 12 * * * root /path/to/script " in /etc/cron.d/ But it wasnt run ( also syslog doesnt say anything about it) is there anything else I need to set so that cron runs this every day 1230 ?
11:15<azeem>Aleric: "N"
11:16<Aleric>Thanks :)
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11:17<weasel>Aleric: or delete the read flag
11:17<weasel>Aleric: flags are added/removed with w and W
11:18<weasel>s/delete the read flag/set the NEW or OLD flag/ :)
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11:18<Aleric>I always forget which mails I still have to address/answer.
11:18*weasel flags those
11:18<Aleric>It would be nice if I could set more flags.
11:19<weasel>some people claim that empty-inbox is the only way to deal with mail
11:19<Aleric>Ie, set a flag to say: still need to reply - and a flag for: still need to address this issue
11:19*weasel should try that some time
11:20<Aleric>Over time I started to not delete any mail, unless it's really irrelevant
11:21<Aleric>Keeping my backups in the inboxes (I have many mailinglist boxes) isn't a very good idea though, I guess.
11:21<weasel>well, move mail to other folders.
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11:21<tingle>im getting some warnings about fonts in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (http://pastebin.com/m1b0ea0ca) does anyone know how i can fix them?
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11:22<Aleric>It would be way too much work to type the commands needed to do that. It would have to be automated; but I'd still have to flag every mail whether or not I want them to be deleted, kept or moved to the backup.
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11:25<fxiny>backup ? archivemail -d 1 mailbox
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11:25<weasel>or read mail really fast (rm -rf)? :)
11:26<fxiny>hahaha yeahhhh : or just use mutt scores :)
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11:27<juri>weasel :-D lol
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11:30<fxiny>i have a cronjob running a bunch of pl ->> use Net::POP3 + osd_cat writing subject lines straight on screen , i fire up mutt less and less ;)
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11:36<maghetto>ciao
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11:39<maghetto>ciao a tutti
11:39<maghetto><maghetto> avrei 2 domande da porvi
11:39<maghetto><maghetto> esiste un modo per non dover scrivere ogni volta la striga di configurazione del nik???cioè in automatico??
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11:39<azeem>!it
11:39<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
11:40<maghetto>ok
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12:27<ne_nadoelo>âñåì ïðèâåò!
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12:27<Maulkin>!ru
12:27<dpkg>i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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12:27<ne_nadoelo>?
12:28<ne_nadoelo>ok
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12:32<panagos>any idea why modprobe asks for /sbin/lrm-video? i can't find any such file in any package!
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13:11<wfq>that is a nightmare
13:11<wfq>why should the root able to start the X and Users don't? I've done an apt-get upgrade and suddenly any user can start X?
13:12<p_quarles>wfq: huh? any user is supposed to be able to start X
13:12<p_quarles>unless you specifically configure it to be off-limits
13:12<wfq>p_quarles yes, in my system
13:13<p_quarles>on Debian in general
13:13<wfq>I mean, from my user I used to do startx and that is it
13:13*p_quarles still doesn't see what the question is
13:13<wfq>but now I think something has been overriden which is not allowing them to start X anymore. Well, the X comes but gets broken after a while
13:14<wfq>p_quarles, I get that error in the Xorg,log EE) intel(0): I830 Vblank Pipe Setup Failed 0
13:14<p_quarles>wfq: well, the files that control how X starts up aren't very numerous
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13:18<wfq>p_quarles, thanks
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13:21<wfq>it has to be something that user are blocked to read at the time to start up the X
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13:24<rrva>If I umount a ext3 fs mounted over loopback, will it delete the loopback device? I want to umount without the loopback device being deleted
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13:33<artur>hiall!
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13:38<artur>can i copy all packages from debian r2 to some dir, and change apt-get repository to it?
13:38<fxiny>yes
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13:38<fxiny>man apt-ftparchive
13:39<artur>thx
13:39<davi>How to access the iso-codes svn tree?
13:39<davi>http://alioth.debian.org/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=iso-codes&Search=Search
13:40<fxiny>add : deb file:/path/dir ./ to your sources.list and update aptitude/apt-get
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13:42<wfq>hi
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13:45<wfq>Could anone please let me know why the difference is between starting the X being root or any other user? If I am root, the X comes up fine but if I am an user, they gets broken and all that I can see in the Xorg.log is http://pastebin.com/m1877aed7
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13:48<wfq>that has started failing afer doing an apt-get upgrade. Before doing that I did not have any problem
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14:12<betel>wfq: I've had similar X-problems after upgrading X with apt-get. Try re-installing/re-compiling any fglrx or nvidia drivers.
14:12<betel>if any
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14:34<maq1017_>hey all.. I've just upgraded to Etch and I'm getting segfaults from SAMBA, anyone have any ideas how I can investigate/get round it please? :)
14:34<fisxoj>hello.... Xorg won't start and says it can't find /dev/agpgart. It's also demanding a device section for the VGA output of my laptop's video card. Intel driver
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14:35<witte>fisxoj: try first dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:36<fisxoj>witte: same errors ScreenInit failed for driver 0
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14:37<witte>fisxoj: can you upload /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin
14:37<witte>!pastebin
14:37<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
14:37<witte>maq1017_: you could start with looking in /var/log/samba
14:37<fisxoj>witte: I'm not sure how to do that from the console (I've been using irssi and w3m)
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14:38<witte>!pastebin pipe
14:38<dpkg>Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl.
14:38<maq1017_>smb panic :) lol..doesnt tell me much i guess
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14:40<fisxoj>http://www.pastebin.ca/954155 is xorg.0.log
14:40<witte>fisxoj: or if you have a webserver where you can put some files, that would also be ok
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14:41<fisxoj>http://www.pastebin.ca/954159 is xorg.conf
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14:41<fisxoj>no server of my own
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14:43<cahoot>is AIGLX valid for intel?
14:44<fisxoj>yessah, compiz isn't exaclty pretty, but, it'll work
14:46<fisxoj>where does synaptic/apt/dpkg keep it's history? maybe I can downgrade something and get xorg back?
14:46<cahoot>in /var/log
14:46<maq1017_>can you use apt-get to install a non current package, ie previous version?
14:47<maq1017_>that might fix my issue :)
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14:48<witte>fisxoj: what does "dmesg|agpart" and "lsmod |grep agpart" tell?
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14:48<witte>fisxoj: that has to be agpgart (twice) i think
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14:50<chealer>maq1017_: depending on what you mean by current package. it needs to be provided by one of your APT sources.
14:51<fisxoj>witte: dmesg says "*ERROR* could not initialize the agpgart module"
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14:51<fisxoj>and lsmod shows it loaded and relying on drm
14:52<fisxoj>chealer: though, you might still have old packages cached on disk
14:52<fisxoj>I've saved myself that way a few times
14:52<witte>fisxoj: try to "rmmod agpgart" and modprobe it again afterwards
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14:54<fisxoj>witte: I had to unload drm and i945 to rmmod it, but, it loaded fine afterwards
14:54<chealer>fisxoj: how would you do that?
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14:56<fisxoj>chealer: there's a cache of downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives
14:56<fisxoj>witte: should I try running gdm again?
14:56<witte>fisxoj: you can try :-)
14:56<chealer>fisxoj: yeah...how would you install these with apt-get if they're not provided by any APT source anymore?
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14:56<witte>or rather just startx
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14:56<fisxoj>chealer, you need to use dpkg -i for those ones
14:57<chealer>fisxoj: exactly
14:57<fisxoj>witte: exact same error
14:57<fisxoj>where does xorg have a channel? freenode?
14:57<fisxoj>I should bother them
14:58<witte>fisxoj: is this a new video card or one that used to work
14:58<fisxoj>it used to work
14:58<fisxoj>until I used the VGA out last time I booted, now the errors are about it
14:58<witte>fisxoj: and yes, #xorg is at freenode
14:59<fisxoj>now, if I could just change windows in irssi....
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15:01<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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15:01<abrotman>hellues: maybe you should bookmark that?
15:02<hellues>oki
15:02<witte>hellues: or you could "/msg dpkg paste"
15:02<hellues>http://rafb.net/p/8D05an28.html
15:02<hellues>what does this mean
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15:03<hellues>two days ago there işs no such mistakes now there is a mistake whyyy ! i am gone insane
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15:03<fisxoj>whoops... sorry
15:03<abrotman>witte: we've tried that .. he fails
15:03<hellues>nobody in compiz-fusion
15:04<hellues>any help
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15:05<hellues>can someone help me i am so exhausted because of bugs
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15:07<shze>my firewall drops igmp multicast packets, do i need these packets for something, i read ntp uses igmp?
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15:07<chealer>hellues: not unless you ask a question.
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15:08<hellues>my quenstion pls look http://rafb.net/p/8D05an28.html
15:08<hellues>how can i fix this error
15:09<hellues>compiz doesnt work
15:09<hellues>border of window disappear when i write compiz --replace inthe terminal
15:09<hellues>and there is nobody compiz-fusion
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15:10<fisxoj>hellues: if compiz is running and you don't have borders, you might need to rung gtk-window-decorator too
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15:11<knoppix_>nabend
15:11<chealer>hellues: oh. try using a question mark ("?") to terminate your questions.
15:11<fisxoj>the #xorg channel is quiet as a tomb... anyone know if xrandr stores anything anywhere? since that seems to be what broke my setup
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15:12<chealer>!tell Guest2343 about de
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15:12<hellues>"border of window disappear when i write compiz --replace inthe terminal"
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15:12<hellues>gtk-window-decarotor doesnt work
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15:17<shze>can i block igmp packets? what are they used for, do i need them?
15:17<shze>where can i find more information?
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15:18<chealer>hellues: what does $ uname -r; output?
15:18<amphi>hellues: you are on debian?
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15:20<hellues>yes
15:21<hellues>amphi,
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15:21<hellues>chealer, 2.6-24-1-bigmem
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15:21<hellues>amphi, i am on debian
15:22<amphi>hellues: nvidia?
15:22<hellues>yes
15:22<amphi>hellues: you've run 'nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24' ?
15:23<chealer>hellues: please paste the actual output
15:23<amphi>hellues: you need your DefaultDepth to be 24, BTW
15:23<hellues>just a minute
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15:24<fisxoj>witte: there's also no options available in the gnome screen resolution window when I run that with the vesa driver
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15:32<hellues>amphi, your commmand doeesnt work
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15:32<hellues>amphi, it said nvidia-xconfig --jelp for more information
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15:35<hellues>hey
15:35<hellues>compiz doesnt wokr properly
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15:37<hellues>!dpkg msg paste
15:37<hellues>!msg paste
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15:38<chealer>!tell hellues about msg the bot
15:39<amphi>hellues: which packages are you using?
15:39<hellues>http://rafb.net/p/HSQJPD80.html
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15:39<hellues>compiz
15:39<hellues>from shame repository
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15:39<amphi>hellues: those are not debian packages
15:40<hellues>not debian
15:40<hellues>this is interesting
15:40<hellues>there is debian-lenny in repo
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15:41<hellues>doesnt shame repo belong to debian ?
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15:43<hellues>hey
15:44<hellues>i need an information
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15:45<chealer>hellues: if it's "shame's" repository, it's not a Debian mirror. Debian mirror are called just that.
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15:45<hellues>why
15:45<hellues>what is debian-lenny in address
15:45<hellues>what does this mean
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15:46<hellues>deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
15:46<hellues>it works all plugin before two days on debian
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15:46<amphi>huhlig: those are unofficial compiz-fusion packages for debian
15:47<hellues>hmm
15:47<hellues>i ask this there new plugins such as screen saver
15:47<hellues>what is the official adress that has these new plugins
15:49<huhlig>amphi, they are?
15:49<huhlig>wow
15:49<huhlig>I didnt know I cared
15:49<huhlig>:)
15:49<hellues>i need an information
15:50<hellues>how can i install extra plugin such as screensave on debian lenny
15:51<amphi>you'll have to build from git, from a snapshot compatible with the version of compiz in your packages
15:51<chealer>hellues: if you don't mind, what's the actual output of $ uname -r; ?
15:52<hellues>how can i use git
15:52<hellues>chealer, 2.6.24-1-686 bigmem
15:53<amphi>huhlig: you can d/l a tarball of an arbitrary snapshot from http://gitweb.compiz-fusion.org/
15:53<amphi>huhlig: sorry, ETAB
15:53<amphi>hellues: you can d/l a tarball of an arbitrary snapshot from http://gitweb.compiz-fusion.org/
15:53<amphi>hellues: this is fairly offtopic in here, you should ask in #compiz-fusion on freenode
15:54<chealer>hellues: would you mind pasting the actual output?
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15:54<hellues>nobody in compiz-fusion
15:54<hellues>what did you mean actual output
15:55<hellues>actual outpur of what
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15:56<amphi>hellues: on irc.freenode.net
15:56<hellues>amphi, i am downloading git
15:56<zhengyi>hey folks, I got a text file off a windows machine here that file claims is 'Unicode text, UTF-16, little-endian' -- any idea how I can convert that to straight text that grep could handle?
15:56<amphi>hellues: not the Gnu Interactive Tools, I hope ;)
15:56<zhengyi>google's not been immediately useful here
15:57<hellues>ia m so bored
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15:57<huhlig>amphi, =^_^=
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15:57<amphi>huhlig: you have straws in your ears?
15:58<huhlig>whiskers actually
15:58<amphi>heh
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16:00<tocho>hola
16:00<chealer>eh
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16:00<tocho>alguien por ahi
16:00<chealer>amphi: you ruined my test :-P
16:00<chealer>!tell tocho about es
16:00<blarson>zhengyi: iconv
16:00<chealer>amphi: (we learned he used Ubuntu earlier)
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16:01<zhengyi>blarson: man? :)
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16:02<makoqui>hola panteiras
16:02<amphi>chealer: ah ;) apologies for blundering
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16:04<zhengyi>blarson: iconv -f UTF-16 -t ASCII did the trick
16:04<jaakko>Supaplex: You have reported a bug in Openbox?
16:04<zhengyi>blarson: thanks, man!
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16:05<chealer>amphi: no problem. FWIW, I never ask "you are on debian?", rather something like "which Debian suite do you use?"
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17:07<dye>is there a way to get a box to auto-login a user and startx without a login manager like gdm?
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17:09<dirge>desktop, admin, login window in gnome has auto login options
17:10<dirge>but i don't know about without gdm
17:10<dye>dirge: thanks
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17:11<dye>I'm building an installation for a school in peru and I'm using slow, low-ram boxes
17:11<dye>they can't really run gnome and running xdm or wdm is a waste of resources I think
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17:11<dirge>understood
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17:12<dirge>i agree
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17:20<grummund>Hi, will the debian installer offer to re-partition a disk with windows XP on (to make it dual-boot) ?
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17:23<makoqui>como limpio los paketes rotos?
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17:28<emma>How is this channel different than the one on Freenode?
17:28<cahoot>smaller
17:29<emma>I don't mean this to be rude questions at all. I'm really really new
17:29<emma>I only found IRC after I switched to Linux. Ubuntu dropped me into Freenode
17:29<emma>this is my first time venturing out past Freenode.
17:29<cahoot>no practical difference
17:29<cahoot>aside from size
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17:29<emma>Why do you guys come outside of Freenode?
17:30<cahoot>if you look you'll see lots use both
17:30<tuxan>dye: make a login -f script and run from /etc/inittab
17:30<emma>Are there other good networks to check out?
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17:30<emma>do you have any favorite networks?
17:30<LightKnight>This was supposed to be the only #debian named official channel, since all Debian official channel switched from Freenode to OFTC. For some reason, this didn't happen and many people still log to #debian@Freenode
17:31<dye>tuxan: thanks, man
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17:31<emma>Is it possible to redirect to another network?
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17:32<LightKnight>What do you mean with "redirect"?
17:32<emma>On Freenode I'm able to redirect from one channel to another channel
17:33<LightKnight>I don't know if it's possible cross-network...
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17:40<emma>I've been using Ubuntu since I started using Linux. I hope to eventually outgrow my training wheels and then use Debian.
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17:56<dye>I'm following a guide and it mentions editing /etc/event.d but apparently I don't have those config files. What package is that a part of ?
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17:59<stroyan>dye: /etc/event.d is used by upstart. Ubuntu uses upstart. Debian doesn't use it.
18:00<Celes>debian is a part of ubuntu right?
18:00<Celes>the same distributor?
18:00<dye>stroyan: I see. Yeah, I was reading a blog post by a guy using ubuntu. he used upstart to execute a program when tty1 is created. how can I achieve that without upstart?
18:01<witte>!ubuntu
18:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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18:04<witte>Celes: I hope you were not trying to start a flamewar, but debian is certainly not part of ubuntu (or the other way around), and it never was (or will be)
18:04<stroyan>dye: Was he changing /etc/event.d/tty1 to change what happened when a getty was run on tty1?
18:04<Celes>witte I am just trying to learn ubuntu
18:04<Celes>but debian sounds cool too
18:04<Celes>well learning linux in general
18:05<Celes>witte tis stupid to start a flamewar on here when I already do not know enough about this OS to start a flame war
18:05<witte>Celes: they all are not that different, just some things that are done differently (or rather have different default settings)
18:06<dye>stroyan: he said he intended to run an event "when tty1 is created." I'm trying to get a user logged on and X started automatically when the machine boots. I think we're trying to replace getty here (http://www.imbrandon.com/2007.10.19/note-to-self-ubuntu-710-on-a-p200.html)
18:06<Celes>I know theres gentoo
18:06<Celes>and kde
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18:07<Celes>and I guess debian is something else
18:07<Celes>all are linux right
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18:07<witte>Celes: ok, but sometimes people come here telling that ubuntu is better, which is of course not true :P (certainly on #debian)
18:07<dye>celes: debian, gentoo, ubuntu are distributions
18:07<witte>Celes: no, kde is a desktop environment
18:07<Celes>arent they different operating systems?
18:07<penguin>no lol
18:07<Celes>really?
18:07<dye>celes: a distribution is composed of Linux kernel + GNU programs + others
18:08<Celes>well sorry I am only a girl :(
18:08<witte>Celes: they use the same core, mostly the same base programs, but just some different tools and defaults
18:08<Celes>trying to learn this stuff
18:08<dye>celes: (linux is the kernel, not the name for an entire system as are names like "windows" and "mac os"
18:08<stroyan>dye: Do you really want a text login? If you want an X desktop login then the gdm autologin way is better.
18:08<Celes>and what is a kernel
18:08<penguin>I guss you could kind of say its like windows 2k VS windows ME. I mean, not hitting the nail on the head, but thats a valid example imo
18:09<Cyorxamp>Lo, is there a way I can get my bash script to play a nice little tune on the PC speaker so I know its done?
18:09<penguin>Anywho, w/e i'll shut up about things other people are smarter at.
18:09<witte>Cyorxamp: look at the beep package
18:09<Cyorxamp>ok
18:10<dye>stroyan: I can't use gdm, unfortunately. I'm building boxes for a school in peru. the machines are old and don't have much ram, so I am using fluxbox. the schoolkids are young and it'd be nice to have the machines login to student accounts and run X when they start. GDM and the like are a bit heavy and slow the machines down quite a bit.
18:10<witte>penguin: windows 2k and Me are diffent (Me is 98 based, and 2k is nt based)
18:10<penguin>I cant seem to get DVDs to play, I have tryed using Totem with GStreamer, Xine, VLC, MPlayer. I am getting 4diffrent errors and I have been going at this for a while now.
18:10<Celes>sorry for asking stupid things lol
18:10<Celes>I just really dont know
18:10<Celes>I dont wanna annoy you guys
18:10<dye>celes: no problem, I'll keep explaining, just tell me if you need more clarification
18:10<penguin>witte: Thus me desiding to shut up =p
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18:11<dye>celes: and you don't have to apologize for not knowing how this works already :)
18:11<Celes>do debian users use terminal as well?
18:11<dye>celes: kind of
18:11<dye>celes: think less in terms of specific distributions
18:11<witte>Celes: a terminal is an application
18:11<witte>Celes: any os can use that
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18:11<penguin>Term in windows is fun
18:12<Celes>well I know its not easy to install things on ubuntu
18:12<witte>Celes: but debian users will in general use the terminal more than ubuntu users
18:12<Celes>unless its packaged already
18:12<penguin>no harder than any other linux distro imo
18:12<dye>celes: let's back up
18:12<dye>celes: don't think about distro differences yet
18:12<emma>It's very easy to install things on Ubuntu. If you don't use synaptic package manager gui then it's identical to installing things on Debian.
18:13<penguin>When trying to open a dvd under Xine, I am getting the following error close out line "libdvdread: Can't seek to block 405501"
18:13<penguin>VLC has given me the most progress, it opens the menu, but when I hit play it just closes out and says nuthing to play.
18:13<dye>celes: here's an important distinction: free software (free as in freedom not as in "without cost") works differently than proprietary software
18:14<emma>Ubuntu is proprietary software?
18:14<dye>celes: systems built on free software (freebsd, linux, etc.) are different than windows and mac os x
18:15<Celes>They are prone to error?
18:15<Celes>like beta stuff ?
18:15<penguin>^_^ that made me lol
18:15<dye>emma: no, but ubuntu has a different (and lesser) commitment to free software than debian
18:15<dye>celes: not necessarily
18:15<stroyan>dye: I am trying to understand your configuration. It seems that fluxbox is only a window manager without a preferred login manager. Are you using xdm as the login manager?
18:16<dye>stroyan: (thanks for your help, btw). I want to use no window manager at all.
18:16<dye>celes: so think of linux distros as packages of free software
18:16<stroyan>dye: s/window/login/ ???
18:16<dye>stroyan: haha, yeah
18:17<dye>stroyan: no login manager
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18:17<dye>celes: .. because free software systems don't come in single configurations like proprietary systems do
18:17<Celes>dye isnt it very hard to get a virus on linux because you have everything passworded?
18:17<dye>celes: do you follow me so far?
18:17<witte>penguin: do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
18:17<Celes>yes I do.
18:18<penguin>Witte: yes, I do
18:18<witte>Celes: not really because of passwords, more because of sane defaults concerning security
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18:19<Celes>I would say its more safe then windows
18:19<penguin>lol, its hard to get a virus no linux because no one cares eneugh about linux to make a virus
18:19<Celes>because everyone writes viruses for windows..
18:19<penguin>(j/k)
18:19<Celes>thats what my brother told me penguin
18:19<Celes>haha
18:19<penguin>I dbout its true, but funny to think that way
18:19<Celes>he kinda made me use ubuntu becasue he deleted my windows partitions
18:19<Celes>so I have been slowly learning linux
18:19<Cyorxamp>witte: OK so I'm used to the beep package now, I was hoping to be able to make a little tune
18:20<Celes>I am still trying to learn stuff like sudo apt get :P
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18:20<penguin>anywho, Witte: yes I have libdvdcss2 insatalled, would you like me to post you a link to my output when trying to open a dvd under xine?
18:20<dye>celes: ok, so think of linux like an erector set or something
18:20<Cyorxamp>witte: i.e. FGDBEA or something in musical notes, with just beep I take it I'm left with making some kind of weird script
18:21<penguin>lol, I have to run antivirus for windows viruses on my computer because I used to give viruses to people at lanparties <3
18:21<Celes>okay guys I have to work on an essay
18:21<Celes>so take care and thanks for the info!
18:21<Celes>sorry for being a noob
18:22<PoP>Someone speaks Portuguese?
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18:22<cahoot>about 90million?
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18:23<stroyan>dye: Right now you must have some login manager such as gdm or xdm running. Those are started and stopped by /etc/rc*.d/*dm symbolic links to /etc/init.d/*dm scripts. You could replace those scripts with something like 'sudo userid startx'.
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18:23<cahoot>!br
18:23<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:23<PoP>Someone speaks Portuguese???
18:23<Woet`>What character encoding does Debian use for file names by default?
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18:23<Woet`>UTF-8?
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18:24<dye>stroyan: I don't have a login manager running, actually. I think it's just getty starting on tty1
18:24<PoP># Debian-br is empty and I just want a opnião of whom already use the Debian
18:25<Maulkin>on irc.freenode.net?
18:25<dye>stroyan: but you think a simple symlink to a script that runs login -f will do it?
18:25<stroyan>dye: Ah. So you have no x server at all, but want to start one at boot. What you want to happen at 'logout'.
18:25<witte>penguin: a lot of people care for virusses on linux, not only desktop pc's count, servers are way more important to try to get a virus on
18:25<witte>Cyorxamp: i am not sure that beep is the tool to use for a tune, unless it is a very easy one, but I know you can use the speaker as sound output, just don't know how...
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18:25<Cyorxamp>ok thanks anyway
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18:26<dye>stroyan: hmm. I don't know what should happen when one logs out
18:26<Woet>What character encoding does Debian use for file names by default?
18:26<stroyan>dye: I get to pick then. 'undefined behavior' ;-)
18:26<witte>Woet: use ascii if you can, and preferably a:z, A:Z and 0:9 only
18:26<dye>stroyan: haha, yeah.
18:27<Woet>witte: my FTP client asks for what encoding of filetypes
18:27<Woet>so im wondering what to pick
18:27<dye>stroyan: but I was thinking I'd probably need to replace getty or something
18:27<witte>Woet: ah, ok sorry, misunderstood
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18:27<stroyan>dye: Normally a login manager like gdm or xdm starts an X server and restarts a new one if that dies. You probably don't want to give that up.
18:27<dye>stroyan: hmm. yeah, perhaps
18:28<Woet>its either Windows, DOS, UTF8, KOI8R or KOI8U
18:28<Woet>i choose for UTF8, but im not sure
18:28<witte>Woet: in that case i would say UTF8, but i am also not sure
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18:39<stroyan>dye: I don't see a really light xdm replacement that features an automatic login as a user. Perhaps one is hiding out there in the repositories. It seems that a simple script launching an xstart would end up growing as you handle corner cases. Using gdm may be the most practical solution.
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18:40<dye>stroyan: I think you're right. Thanks for helping me work through it
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18:52<deamoon>hi ppl
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18:54<deamoon>ello
18:54<deamoon>any1
18:54<deamoon>!
18:54<witte>!ask
18:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
18:55<deamoon>i got problem with mine ati card and i cant adjust screen resolution
18:55<deamoon>what to do?
18:56<deamoon>not its 800x600
18:56<witte>deamoon: which driver do you use, the open source one, or the one from the ati website
18:57<witte>!drxx
18:57<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
18:57<deamoon>i cant instal the driver from ati website
18:57<deamoon>guys im begginer on linux
18:57<witte>deamoon: you only need that ati driver if you want to do fancy 3d stuff
18:57<deamoon>well i need to play cs
18:57<deamoon>:)
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18:58<witte>!ati
18:58<deamoon>and im usind ubuntu
18:58<dpkg>ati is, like, For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list.
18:58<witte>!ubuntu
18:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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19:11<bernardo>hello
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19:19<emma>I see more talk about Ubuntu in here than about Debian.
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19:23<bernardo>yeah, that sucks
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19:26<emma>Maybe Debian should take a different approach to Ubuntu.
19:26<Hideo>it does
19:26<emma>Stop being so helpful and try to cut off Ubuntu's legs.
19:26<Jflesch>emma: free software is about sharing.
19:27<Hideo>no hostility
19:27<emma>Take them on at their own game. Start matching their user friendliness wherever we see it and beat them at their own game.
19:27<emma>I don't want Ubuntu to make Debian irrelevant.
19:28<Hideo>um... Ubuntu never made Debian irrelevant in the first place
19:28<emma>Not yet. But what does it tell you that more people are talking about Ubuntu in here than about Debian
19:28<Hideo>Ubuntu and Debian have different target audiences
19:28<Jflesch>emma: consider this point : a lot of people discover linux thanks to ubuntu, and the more people are using linux, the easier it will be for linux to get drivers
19:28<emma>I don't see anyone talking about Gentoo in here.
19:28<weasel>can you take that discussion some place else?
19:28<weasel>it does not belong here.
19:28<weasel>thank you.
19:28-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
19:28<Hideo>yes pleas
19:28<Jflesch>emma: because gentoo sucks ? :) </troll>
19:31<stroyan>emma: The target audience for ubuntu is larger. And a substantial portion of them don't have a clue about the distinction between ubuntu and debian. But you really want more of them coming here?
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19:32<fancylad>does anyone know how kernel modules are automatically loaded at boot time?
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19:32<@weasel>the kernel loads a number of them itself
19:32<Jflesch>fancylad: I'm not sure, but I think most of them are loaded by hal ? no ?
19:33<@weasel>others from etc/modules are loaded by userland tools.
19:33<@weasel>other stuff is loaded in initrd
19:33<Hideo>some are loaded via initramfs
19:33<emma>I am an Ubuntu user. I've only used linux for 5 months. I just have a curiosity to explore beyond Ubuntu now that I have learned a little bit, and I have a strong sense of Justice, and I feel like Debian is being exploited and it bothers me to no end.
19:33<fancylad>i mean for instance how does the driver for a nic get automatically loaded
19:34<fancylad>i have made a live cd from debian but my i have to manually load the driver
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19:34<bma>emma, it's not exactly exploitation: as someone pointed out, that's the point of free software.
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19:35<Jflesch>hm, and I'm wondering : do some of the ubuntu devs provide patchs/softwares for debian ?
19:35<emma>I don't think there is anything in the spirit of Free Software that says you can't compete though.
19:35<@weasel>*sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh*
19:35<Hideo>lock and loaded...
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19:35<_shai_>emma: Just because Ubuntu is 'winning' doesn't mean debian loses.
19:35<Hideo>weasel takes aim
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19:37<Hideo>guys look at the topic, join #debian-offtopic if you want to discuss Ubuntu vs. Debian stuff
19:37<emma>oh okay
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19:39<fancylad>hideo: nice call
19:40<Hideo>:p but I wanted to see weasel booted someone
19:40<Hideo>s/booted/boot
19:40<fancylad>lol
19:40<fancylad>too much sed or vi for u hideo
19:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 326] by debhelper
19:41<Hideo>fancylad: can't you just add the module for the nic in /etc/modules
19:41<Hideo>for your live cd
19:42<fancylad>i could, but then it might not work on different pcs
19:42<Hideo>or do you only want it to load when it detects that particular nic? In that case I have no idea
19:42<Hideo>I see
19:43<fancylad>i read some stuff about a "kerneld" deamon that is supposed to do that but i think that is outdated
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19:44<Hideo>yeah, I haven't a clue, I wonder how knoppix does it, whether they use hal or not
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19:51<Hideo>fancylad: quick google gave me this, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/hardware-detection.html , YMMV, I don't know how helpful that is to you
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19:53<stroyan>fancylad: It looks like some modules are configured to load by /etc/udev/hotplug.rules . You could add a similar rule to a new file in /etc/udev/rules.d .
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19:56<fancylad>thanks stroyan. i'll look into that
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20:10<emma>Don't bother going to -offtopic it's run by a jerk
20:11<bma>Unfortunately, the internet is full of jerks. :/
20:11<emma>*nods*
20:12<Hideo>who?
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20:17<madman>sup
20:17<madman>anyone in here with an eee pc? :)
20:18<jaakko>madman: I wish I had :)
20:18<madman>i am planning to get one in july :p
20:18<Ganneff>way to small to be usable. IMO.
20:18<madman>i want to get one for pentesting
20:20<bma>The keyboard's too small to do much typing on, which makes it basically useless to me...
20:20<Ganneff>also very small screen. i mean REALLY small.
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20:21<Ganneff>only good if you want to do a presentation somewhere - where you dont want to take your laptop (why?).
20:21<Ganneff>cos its a nice interface to a beamer.
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20:21<Ganneff>and then a short notes taker when you travel. but not much more use.
20:21<Ganneff>imo
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20:22<jaakko>Everything is so relative... It is much bigger than my mobile phone "keyboard". My laptop is way too big to carry allways with me.
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20:22<emma>I say why bother with the eeepc when you can get a cheap real laptop for the same price but with a larger keyboard for all the chatting and coding you are probably going to do on it?
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20:23<Hideo>I have a Thinkpad x60s running debian sid with a ~7 hour battery life :p
20:24<jaakko>You don't need big screen/keyboard for ssh/vi to view logs or change something. Actually I would like to have something even smaller than eepc.
20:24<madman>thinkpads are so sexy
20:24<amphi>Hideo: nice life with the 8-cell battery, eh? ;)
20:24<Hideo>indeed
20:24<Hideo>I wuv this baby
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20:25<amphi>what processor is in that?
20:25<Hideo>intel core duo
20:25<amphi>Hideo: aye - which?
20:25<madman>i got a dell xps m1710
20:25<madman>which is huge :S
20:25<madman>this is why i am planning to get the eeepc
20:26<Hideo>amphi: it's the yonah
20:26<Hideo>1.66 Ghz
20:26<amphi>madman: thinkpad xseries is very pleasant
20:26<stroyan>fancylad: It seems that the more common path to driver module loading passes through /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap as set up by a driver's MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE() values and module-assistant. See http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/5604/print and 'apt-cache show module-assistant'
20:26<amphi>Hideo: it's an Lnnnn or Tnnnn?
20:26<madman>yes, always been a fan of the thinkpad series.
20:26<amphi>Hideo: ie. is it a low power version?
20:27<Hideo>amphi: yeah
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20:27<amphi>uhuh - I have an L7700 in this thing, it seems to be very snappy
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20:27<amphi>runs hot under load though
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20:28<Hideo>just a bit hot to me
20:28<madman>:)
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20:28<Ganneff>well. now. topic. :)
20:28<Hideo>oops
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20:33<Hideo>amphi: just wondering, how many watt does powertop says your thinkpad uses?
20:34<amphi>I think I got it down to ~9.5 - 10
20:34<Hideo>amphi: on my x60s, I can go down to as low as ~11.5 watt with wifi on and monitor on lowest brightness and still be functional
20:34<Hideo>amphi: with or without wifi?
20:34<amphi>I haven't fiddled with it for a bit
20:35<amphi>without wifi - train mode ;)
20:35<Hideo>ah, I haven't tested it without wifi yet
20:35<Hideo>amphi: what model is yours tp?
20:35<amphi>X61s
20:37<Hideo>brb, I'm gonna test mine with wifi off
20:37<Hideo>:p
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20:42<Hideo>amphi: 11.0 W now, with wifi off, although I have hdapsd running and causing alot of wakeups
20:43<amphi>how many wakeups/sec are you getting there?
20:43<Hideo>about 58
20:44<amphi>that's nice and low
20:44<Hideo>it's still in the red though
20:44<Hideo>what's yours?
20:45<amphi>I don't remember offhand
20:45<Hideo>what's considered to be a good number do you know?
20:45<amphi>no
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20:46<Hideo>mine's still displayed in red, it's never blue or green, so I'm assuming that that is bad
20:46<amphi>if you're getting 7 hours, that's getting fairly close to the limit, I think; I've seen the odd claim of eight
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20:47<Hideo>yeah with powertop, I never get above 7.0 hours
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20:49<bebin>how to install e1000 driver in 2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel
20:49<witte>bebin: modprobe e1000
20:49<Hideo>bebin: shouldn't it be compiled in with the kernel already?
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20:50<shze>is 11W the lower limit for a x61s?
20:50<Hideo>amphi said he got 9-10W with his x61s
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20:51<amphi>Hideo: it might have been 11 - it was a while back I played with powertop for a some time
20:52<bebin>hideo: no
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20:52<bebin>writte: what is the next step
20:52<Hideo>bebin: so modprobe e1000 didn't work?
20:52<bebin>witte: what is the next step
20:52<witte>bebin: it should be loaded
20:53<witte>bebin: probably you now want to configure your network card
20:53<witte>bebin: do you have a macbook pro?
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20:54<bebin>bebin: no
20:55<bebin>witte: no
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20:59<witte>bebin: just asking because some people had a problem with the e1000 driver in a macbook pro
20:59<witte>but normally, the e1000 driver is well known, stable and working by default
21:00<bebin>Hideo: modprobe e1000 worked but unable to connect to the net i just did it now network applet showes no network connection
21:00<bebin>witte: can you say how to configure the network card
21:00<witte>!interfaces
21:00<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
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21:01<bebin>witte: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 294c (rev 02) this is what i get while i run lspci
21:02<bebin>Hideo : 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 294c (rev 02) this is what i get while i run lspci
21:02<witte>bebin: than the driver is not working correctly (or you have the wrong driver)
21:03<witte>!pciids
21:03<dpkg>methinks pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device"
21:03<witte>bebin, try this ^^
21:06<bebin>writte: thanks man no it shows Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) next what step to do
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21:06<bebin>witte: thanks man no it shows Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) next what step to do
21:06<witte>bebin: next thing is looking on google which controller you need
21:07<witte>bebin: btw: most irc clients allow tab-completion for names
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21:08<bebin>witte : what is a controller
21:08<witte>bebin: i meant the network card
21:09<witte>and it seems it is a quite new card, which needs a quite new e1000 driver
21:09<witte>could that be?
21:10<bebin>witte: no
21:10<bebin>witte: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/build/include/linux/utsrelease.h:0: error: code model ‘kernel’ not supported in the 32 bit mode this is what it shows when i compile the driver
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21:15<jaakko>bebin: what did you type to get that error? In what directory did you type the command? of course the driver woun't work if you cant compile it ok.
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21:17<bebin>witte: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/build/include/linux/utsrelease.h:0: error: code model ‘kernel’ not supported in the 32 bit mode this is what it shows when i compile the driver
21:18<bebin>jaakko: in my home directory
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21:18<witte>bebin: how do you compile it, where did you get it from,...? mind that I am not that good in mind reading
21:20<freakNusty>how good is openbsd for use as a firewall?
21:21<witte>freakNusty: depends on the maintainer, but why do you ask at #debian
21:22<bebin>witte: cd /home/bebin/Desktop/e1000-7.6.15.5/src and just typed make command
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21:24<freakNusty>the documentation Im reading mentioned using debian as a possible substitute...thought someone might have some experience with openBSD
21:25<jaakko>bebin: Is there anythin like "configure" you could run first? Is there "README", did you read it?
21:25<freakNusty>Ill just stick with debian
21:26<jaakko>freakNusty: what do you want from a firewall? Something fancy or just block incoming connections? I think debian is as good as any other *nix
21:28<bebin>jaakko: no configure file in it only make yes i red the readme it says to run make install only
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21:28<freakNusty>jaakko: For now, Im simply looking to block ports-nothing fancy until I learn more about debian and linux in general. I would like to know what you think about running a firewall and mailserver on the same box
21:29<jaakko>bebin: do you have kernel headers installed?
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21:31<bebin>jaakko: yes
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21:32<jaakko>freakNusty: it is just fine. Without a mail server you wouldn't need even firewall. But it is good to have if you are not sure about the mail server configuration.
21:32<jaakko>freakNusty: If you have a LAN with other computers, NAT will be enough.
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21:34<freakNusty>jaakko: I have NAT for now but the mail server I'm setting up will be moved to a hosting service
21:34<freakNusty>jaakko: it will be sitting directly on the internet
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21:37<Kisunae>hi
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21:38<jaakko>freakNusty: So you just have to configure it well otherwise it will be a spam bot. And if you want to block ports, I suggest you learn to add rules to iptables (man iptables)
21:38<Kisunae>wird hier auch mal was gesprochen? °°
21:38<jaakko>!de
21:38<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
21:38<Kisunae>oh sry just english? ye ye XD i got it
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21:39<Kisunae>so...whats up?
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21:40<freakNusty>jaakko: Ive added some rules to iptables already...just basic stuff. However, I am very concerned about creating an open relay. I cannot afford to be blacklisted.
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21:41<Kisunae>so what u r talking about here...if i may ask
21:42<Guest2370>i'm currently using debian etch on my desktop, but the software is running old ... how stable are lenny and sid right now?
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21:43<Kisunae>omg....O___O i´m totally displaced i think ^^
21:43<witte>Guest2195: i am running lenny on my desktop at work, and it is quite stable
21:44<jaakko>Guest2195: Don't know, but I just read that lenny is stabilizing now and perhaps released next september.
21:44<witte>Guest2195: sorry, someone changed nick and autocompletion got me the wrong one
21:44<witte>wouterl: that was for you
21:45<wouterl>that's allright witte
21:46<wouterl>so that means that it's safe to move to the testing
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21:46<wouterl>nice
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21:47<jaakko>wouterl: if it would be safe, it would be released as stable already..
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21:48<witte>wouterl: depends on what you do with your pc, and how good you are with linux (or how much time you have for the occasional debugging)
21:49<wouterl>the pc is for development, mostly java or prolog
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21:49<bma>I use unstable, and I rarely if ever have any problems with it...occasionally an upgrade that won't work because not all the dependencies are available.
21:51<jaakko>well, on the other hand even Etch has bugs which can freeze desktop. And they aren't even going to fix those.
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21:51<witte>bma: yeah, i use unstable as well on some computers, but you have to be able to suddenly work without X for a day, or without cups, or whatever... occasionally
21:53<bma>It was more of an issue when I used Gnome, and I guess KDE would be the same, because there's so many interdependencies.
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21:53<craigevil>gnome tends to break way more often i Sid than kde does
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22:10<wouterl>i noticed that the university where i take courses (university of leuven, department cs) is on the list of debian users... unfortunately they changed to ubuntu a little time ago... (just mentioning)
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22:11<witte>wouterl: leuven university, nice :-)
22:11<wouterl>witte: are you also student there?
22:12<witte>wouterl: btw, they changed because users wanted to have the latest of everything, the sysadmins were not happy with that
22:12<witte>ja, maar dan op esat ;-)
22:12<wouterl>aha
22:13<wouterl>can we speak dutch here?
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22:13<kop>wouterl : No. Sorry.
22:14<wouterl>k
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22:14<wouterl>witte: when is the next esat reception? ;)
22:15<abrotman>!nl
22:15<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
22:15<abrotman>if you really want
22:15<abrotman>wait .. wrong language?
22:16<wouterl>nope, correct language
22:16<wouterl>only, i'm from belgium, not the netherlands
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22:17<witte>in principle no
22:17<witte>wouterl: don't know, it is now easer holidays, so probably the first week after that :P
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22:18<witte>s/easer/easter/
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22:20<wouterl>i'm off, bye all
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22:25<bighornram>if I have hosts deny set to all paranoid, would that block my jabber client from establishing a connection with the jabber server?
22:26<Hideo>is there a tool in debian to determine the exact position (x,y) of any object, say at the mouse pointer, in X?
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22:29<Supaplex>bighornram: did you check for any logs?
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22:29<bighornram>Mar 23 20:28:12 debian-dell kernel: ''IN-internet':'IN=wlan0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:13:ce:23:26:43:08:00 SRC=192.168.1.102 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=237 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=59434 PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=217
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22:30<bighornram>sorry wrong line.
22:30<bighornram>Mar 23 20:26:03 debian-dell kernel: ''IN-internet':'IN=wlan0 OUT= MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:fb:00:13:ce:23:26:43:08:00 SRC=192.168.1.102 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=110 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=59324 PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=90
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22:32<Supaplex>iptables and hosts deny are two different animals.
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22:33<bighornram>might be moblock blocking
22:33<Supaplex>port 5353 according to /etc/services is multicast dns
22:33<Supaplex>maybe your multicast dns request is denied, and your jabberclient is aloof where to connect
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22:54<dye>my debian installation doesn't have /proc/config.gz. How can I determine my kernel configuration otherwise?
22:55<Hideo>dye: /boot/config*
22:56<Supaplex>besides, proc/config.gz is an optional kernel config option
22:56<dye>Hideo: duh. thanks
22:56<Hideo>:P
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22:56<dye>Supaplex: right, but it's better than relying on it being copied to /boot
22:56<Supaplex>np. that'll be $90
22:57<Supaplex>;)
22:57<Hideo>or a beer
22:57<Supaplex>but kp takes care of that anyhow
22:57<dye>Supaplex: I can't see why one wouldn't want that kernel option on
22:57<Supaplex>waste of kernel memory?
22:58<dye>meh, it's so small
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23:02<Hideo>someone needs to invent a machine that can materialize beer via the internet
23:02<witte>!beer Hideoµ
23:02*dpkg pours a litre of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for Hideoµ
23:02<witte>!beer Hideo
23:02*dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for Hideo
23:02<Hideo>haha
23:02<Hideo>cheers
23:03<witte>ah, dpkg is wrong, it should be Gulden Draak, not gulden drak
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23:04<Supaplex>dpkg: CMD beer (.*!) =~ s/Gulden Drak/Gulden Draak/
23:04<dpkg>Supaplex: i didn't have anything called 'cmd beer (.*!)' to modify
23:04<Supaplex>dpkg: CMD: beer (.*!) =~ s/Gulden Drak/Gulden Draak/
23:04<dpkg>i didn't have anything called 'cmd: beer (.*!)' to modify, Supaplex
23:04<Supaplex>oh yeh. CMD: =~ s///'s are buggy.
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23:06<Supaplex>is there a log of what I've installed in the last week?
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23:06<Supaplex>and where is it? :)
23:07<witte>Supaplex: /var/log/dpkg.log
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23:07<Supaplex>easy enough. I was afraid it was burried deeper. :)
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23:13<Supaplex>this is driving me mad. I guess I should try a live cd...
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23:18<Hideo>what's driving you mad?
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23:24<Supaplex>Hideo: simply, I can't print. cups can't reach port 9100 on the printer. worked fine last week. no firewall rules, ping/tcptraceroute on this workstation can't reach it either. works fine on any other workstation.
23:26<hikenboot>greetings I am trying to run a xen kernel I get grub Error 13 invalid or unsupporte executable format anyone know why> it seems like a generic error so I figured Iwould ask here?
23:26<Supaplex>no local firewall rules. firewall rules on the router are unchanged since the the 5th of march.
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23:28<Hideo>that is odd, could the printer somehow blocked that workstation off?
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23:29<Supaplex>it's jetdirect. I have no idea how it would do that
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23:32<Supaplex>humm the printer has a webui. let's poke that from the workstation *cough* that works.
23:33<Supaplex>Hideo: post dpkg -l \*xen\* | grep ^ii | tr -s ' ' | cut '-d ' 1-3 to http://rafb.net/paste
23:34<Hideo>^ for hikenboot
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23:36<Supaplex>my bad. yup :)
23:36<Supaplex>hikenboot: still there? post dpkg -l \*xen\* | grep ^ii | tr -s ' ' | cut '-d ' 1-3 to http://rafb.net/paste
23:39<Supaplex>http://rafb.net/p/TVW2ho66.html is my working config. line 1 has the oneliner. (cut didn't have -f 1-3)
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23:48<Supaplex>faaaq this
23:48<Supaplex>leave it to hp to use java objects on a web ui. grr
23:49<Hideo>heh, sorry
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