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---Logopened Mon Mar 24 00:00:00 2008
00:00*Supaplex adds a sneaky SNAT rule to the router for workstation:printer
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00:00<Supaplex>what a fuqed up workaround. but it works.
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00:27<kop>How can I play and otherwise fiddle with real audio format?
00:28<alaya>there's a player for linux at
00:28<vook>kop: helixplayer
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00:29<alaya>i thought the helix one couldn't handle some of the formats?
00:29<vook>alaya: maybe - I'm not sure. (it's helix-player btw)*
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00:30<Supaplex>if my nvidia card is too new for the driver in etch, what are my options for a newer version? - I recently had the .run version of the driver installed. is there a way to uninstall the crumbs?
00:30<kop>vook: I'll give it a try. Thanks.
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00:31<kop>Supaplex : There's That's one route. Use a newer X.
00:31<alaya>Supaplex: doesn't the binary download from nvidia have an option to build a .deb? or am i thinking of fglrx? i thought it was nvidia...
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00:32<Supaplex>not really sure. after futzing with that networking issue, I think I need to let my graymatter grow back. :D
00:32*Supaplex head Hz *meh*
00:32<kop>scooby: ?
00:33<alaya>or get and build a deb
00:34<vook>Supaplex: if you add --help to the binary, it'll give you some options (then you can just extract it to a directory and have a bit more control over the installation).
00:35<Supaplex>humm I like that idea
00:35<vook>I just keep it in /usr/src and recompile the driver whenever I switch kernels, works pretty well.
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00:38<Supaplex>thanks guys. wish me luck. :) I'm sure I'll wrap my head around it after i rest.
00:39<alaya>Supaplex: use the extract option and put it where module-assistant wants it (in /usr/src/...) and you can use m-a to build it
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00:50<twb>I'm trying to list all *source* packages that generate packages that provide x-window-manager.
00:50<twb>grep-aptavail -s Source -F Provides -X x-window-manager doesn't work; lots of lines are blank.
00:50<twb>Changing Source to Source,Package results in lots of binary package names.
00:56<alaya>twb: apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager
00:56<alaya>all the Reverse Provides:
00:57<twb>alaya: that's wrong.
00:57<twb>alaya: it lists the binary package names; I want the SOURCE package names
00:57<alaya>the same?
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00:59<alaya>in what case is the source name different?
00:59<twb>icewm-lite, for example
01:03<alaya>tricky. where is the master list of source packages?
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01:04<twb>The problem is that when Package: and Source: are identical, Source isn't set.
01:04<twb>So you have to do something like get both, then discard one of the two
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01:04<Guest2386>when i do setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550a port 0x06A8 irq 4 baud_base 34800 my device works but when i put /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550a port 0x06A8 irq 4 baud_base 34800 in /etc/init.d/setserial, i get an error and it doesn't work
01:05<Guest2386>arnt' i supposed to put that in setserial so it that command runs on startup and the device works on start?
01:05<alaya>Guest2195: put set -x at the top of the script and run it to debug it
01:07<Guest2386>what do you think?
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01:15<Guest2386>oh...okay i fully understand now thanks for all the help
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01:16<lazy247x>i have a newbie question>?? can someone help
01:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
01:16<lazy247x>I cant get my system sounds to work ?
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01:19<lazy247x>I cant get my system sounds to work ? in GNOME
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01:31<josh_>how do i have setserial on boot????????
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01:42<art3mis>does debian etch start a firewall of anysort on default console only install?
01:42<twb>art3mis: no.
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01:43<art3mis>i can telnet to 25 from local but not from outside
01:43<twb>By default services tend to only listen to localhost.
01:44<art3mis>and the port isnt blocked as this ip and box used to be my sbs2k3 exchange server that worked fine
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01:44<twb>This tends to be configured at the service level, not at the IP level.
01:45<twb>Which MTA did you install?
01:45<twb>Is tcpd installed?
01:46<surfacecore>I have a old 400mhz, 128mb laptop and I want to use it as a small file server, is debian good for this? i dont care if there is no X server
01:46<art3mis>yeah pop web etc all work
01:46<twb>surfacecore: it's as good a choice as any other general-purpose GNU/Linux distribution.
01:46<art3mis>just not smtp
01:46<twb>art3mis: tcpd is a package.
01:46<twb>art3mis: is that package installed?
01:47<surfacecore>but the question is that if is not too heavy
01:47<twb>surfacecore: Debian needs about 200MB of disk and 54MB of RAM, for the default install.
01:47<art3mis>yeah it is
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01:48<twb>art3mis: check /etc/hosts.allow and .deny
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01:48<surfacecore>which other distro can I use to build the os to my needs?
01:48<surfacecore>something that I can use as a foundation
01:48<art3mis>nothing in either
01:49<twb>art3mis: so that's probably the first thing to look at
01:49<art3mis>that would hinder http and pop wouldnt it
01:49<art3mis>which both work
01:49<twb>art3mis: I'd also as #postfix on Freenode if remote hosts need to be allowed in some way.
01:49<art3mis>it's just port 25 from outside of localhost
01:49<twb>art3mis: I don't know, offhand, if tcpd defaults to allow or deny.
01:49<art3mis>ahh freenode yay!
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01:50<twb>netstat -nap | grep \\<20\\> will also- oh, or you could just leave. Jerk.
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01:53<twb>surfacecore: well, you could use some embedded distribution; they are designed to run on systems with a 4MB disk and 8MB of RAM.
01:53<twb>surfacecore: but since your laptop is pretty powerful, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't just put Debian on it.
01:54<twb>surfacecore: if you're concerned about security, you might prefer to put OpenBSD on it, but I personally can never be bothered.
01:54<surfacecore>security is not a concern, is just a server to host my family website
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01:55<surfacecore>so where can i download debian?
01:55<surfacecore>im confused because of the amounts of options in the download pages
01:55<twb>surfacecore: is that a trick question?
01:55<twb>surfacecore: does the laptop have a CD-ROM? Does it have a NIC?
01:55<twb>surfacecore: to both?
01:56<twb>That makes things easy.
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01:57<twb>IIRC you can just click "download" on the left, then pick i386 (or whatever your architecture is).
01:57<Requiem>netinst!, actually, netinst minus the network seems like a good idea for this one
01:57<twb>Requiem: yeah, but today I can't be bothered talking him through that.
01:57<Requiem>that way you get pretty much the bare miunimum in order to install other programs
01:57<Requiem>fair enough
01:57<surfacecore>is because look at these page there are like 20 diferent cds and all of them look the same
01:57<twb>Requiem: you can do a "bare minimum" install from and d-i
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01:58<twb>Requiem: it doesn't matter how much is on the CD
01:58<twb>surfacecore: well, to begin with you only need the first CD, i.e. -CD-1.iso
01:58<Requiem>heh, I have a full DVD set of etch somewhere (sortof, Vista does not like burning isos)
01:58<twb>surfacecore: if you want a smaller download, you can download -businesscard.iso instead
01:59<surfacecore>what is the main diference?
01:59<twb>surfacecore: the only difference is what packages are on the CD
01:59<twb>surfacecore: since you have a NIC, you can just get enough to boot, and then download everything from the internet via the NIC
02:00<twb>The other .isos are really only there for people who don't have internet access on their computers.
02:00<surfacecore>im downloading the net install iso
02:00<twb>surfacecore: the BBC image is smaller, FWIW
02:00<twb>And miniiso is only 12MB
02:01<surfacecore>im going for the BBC
02:02<twb>It's also usually advisable to download from your local mirror
02:02<twb>e.g. I'm in Australia, so I would use
02:02<surfacecore>im in mexico so im using arizona
02:02<twb>There's an
02:03<surfacecore>but that one is in the capital which is about 3000km from here, arizona is 500km
02:04<twb>Fair enough.
02:04<surfacecore>it has finished downloading
02:04<twb>5.7MB, even smaller than I thought.
02:05<twb>It's the graphical installer that's 12MB
02:05<surfacecore>can you put it in a usb and boot from there?
02:05<twb>surfacecore: yes, but you need to download a different image, IIRC
02:05<surfacecore>the business card is already down, so im using it
02:06<twb>I think the "download" link from the front page ( links to the USB images
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02:12<surfacecore_>is there a place where it says what does the BBC image includes?
02:12<twb>It includes d-i and a few drivers
02:12<twb>You can find out by mounting it
02:13<twb>There might also be a .thingy for it... that tool that builds .isos from package lists
02:13<twb>I'm thinking "django" but that's wrong
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02:16<surfacecore_>i though the installer was through the command line
02:16<surfacecore_>i never expected a graphical installer
02:16<twb>That's called stigma.
02:18<surfacecore_>im downloading
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02:20<surfacecore_>is stuck at 0%
02:20<twb>surfacecore_: you say you want a "file server"; do you know what protocols you want?
02:20<twb>surfacecore_: what is stuck at 0%? Have you booted the CD?
02:20<surfacecore_>the download is stuck at 0%
02:21<surfacecore_>is says downloading 0%
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02:22<surfacecore_>im going to try a different server
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02:24<surfacecore_>with what kernek does debian come with?
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02:26<surfacecore_>kernel sorry
02:28<surfacecore_>twb: yep know is downloading, the problem was the server
02:28<surfacecore_>sorry, english is not my native language
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02:32<surfacecore_>in debian i can use apt-get to install apps?
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02:35<blorb>heya all :)
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02:46<surfacecore_>what do i have to do to get graphical interface in debian?
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03:13<suiside>install it with a setup profile with X available, anaconda should default to one which has X and gnome, if you messed with the settings during install you can always install them later on using apt
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03:14<suiside>and he wasn't here anymore...
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03:19<twb>suiside: I don't believe anaconda is compatible with Debian.
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03:27<suiside>gah, good morning, s/anaconda/debian-installer/
03:27*twb dunks suiside in coffee
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03:28<suiside>mmm, coffee
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03:32<Hideo>!coffee suiside
03:32*dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for suiside, courtesy of hideo
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03:39<crosseyedJesus>devil, hi
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04:02<freakNusty>Went to the strip club the other night and there was a big booty ho stage name Chocolate on the stage dancin. I tipped her a few ones and then took her to VIP. Once in the vip that bitch took my clothes off and then licked my neck, down my back, all in my ass crack, up my balls and then she came up and tongue kissed me in the mouth. I then looked at Chocolate in the eyes and said "Chocolate!................DO IT AGAIN!!!!!
04:03<freakNusty>ONE MO TIME
04:04<freakNusty>Went to the strip club the other night and there was a big booty ho stage name Chocolate on the stage dancin. I tipped her a few ones and then took her to VIP. Once in the vip that bitch took my clothes off and then licked my neck, down my back, all in my ass crack, up my balls and then she came up and tongue kissed me in the mouth. I then looked at Chocolate in the eyes and said "Chocolate!................DO IT AGAIN!!!!!
04:04<freakNusty>YEP YEP
04:04<freakNusty>GOT MY DICK WET
04:04<freakNusty>YEP YEP
04:04<noflash>!ops freakNusty being a jerk
04:04<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: noflash complains about: freakNusty being a jerk
04:04<freakNusty>yeah...fuck you dpkg
04:04<freakNusty>fuck you too noflash
04:04<dpkg>methinks fuck is cool
04:04<freakNusty>!fuck ass
04:05-!-mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ
04:05<freakNusty>Went to the strip club the other night and there was a big booty ho stage name Chocolate on the stage dancin. I tipped her a few ones and then took her to VIP. Once in the vip that bitch took my clothes off and then licked my neck, down my back, all in my ass crack, up my balls and then she came up and tongue kissed me in the mouth. I then looked at Chocolate in the eyes and said "Chocolate!................DO IT AGAIN!!!!!
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04:05<noflash>thanks helix
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04:10<Hideo>helix: he's back ^^^
04:10<PeterGriffin>Just chill
04:10<PeterGriffin>no more funny business
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04:31<theimrot>hello, i have problem to to install kde4 under debian testing
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04:34<jaakko>theimrot: something is wrong then
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04:37<jaakko>theimrot: "aptitude install kde" ?
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04:38<theimrot>jaakko: the error is, the system cannot install the package libdjvulibre21_3.5.20-5_i386.deb, because libdjvulibre15 is installed
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04:40<jaakko>theimrot: are all those packages from testing? Well, as it is testing, there may be problems. Try "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" "aptitude install kde"
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04:42<theimrot>jaakko: i have start "aptitude install kde" without aptitude upgrade, it will be started
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04:48<artur>hello! what i need to do to make kate default text editor?
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04:49<artur>now it is kwrite, but i do not like it
04:50<nxscn>hello. is libdjvulibre21_3.5.20-5 broken?
04:50<artur>debian 4.0 r2 etch
04:50<jaakko>artur: in KDE? There is a menu in KDE where you can change the file associations.
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04:50<artur>yes, KDE
04:51<artur>in system settings? i don't seen it
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04:52<jaakko>artur: It is there... Konqueror has a menu to it too.
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04:53<artur>ok. just say it, what kind of name this tool have)
04:53<Miles->Hi, I had a problem with 'mv', looking for help
04:54<jaakko>artur: If I had KDE I would love to say it
04:54<Miles->I moved a directory to a file by mistake, how can I recover this "file" as a normal directory?
04:54<jaakko>artur: But I had Konqueror, and I remember it is there
04:54<artur>ok, i'll use rtfm) thx
04:55<Miles->mv directory1/ directory → "directory" is now a file
04:55<jaakko>artur: try to open some file in Konqueror with right click -> properties -> look for file association
04:55<jaakko>artur: perhaps you should be root to get access
04:56<Hideo>artur: update-alternatives --config editor
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04:57<artur>it is not problem, but i want to know how make default text viewer/editor
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04:57<jaakko>Miles-: You can not change a directory to a file with mv
04:57<Hideo>artur: did you see what I wrote above?
04:57<Miles->So… what happened during this command ?
04:57<artur>there are three alternatives
04:58<Miles->I have a "not a directory" error right now for this virtual "file"
04:58<jaakko>Miles-: you have a directory "directory" now, or you should have.
04:58<Miles->It's reckognizes as a file yet
04:58<Miles->d *
04:58<artur>bin/ed bin/nano usr/bin/vim.tiny
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04:59<artur>i don't understand it)
04:59<Miles->-bash: cd: Directory: No such file or directory
04:59<Miles->Filename corret
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04:59<Hideo>artur: hmm I guess it doesn't work in your case for kate then
05:00<Hideo>artur: in the mean time, pick vim
05:01<Miles->jaakko, sorry for the inconvenience, it was actually a masqueraded .RAR file
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05:01<Miles->(aka "wtf" too)
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05:03<Miles->Thanks for the help
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05:21<Rachbaby>ah! geek stuff!
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05:22<Rachbaby>thats what i get for running linux :~
05:23<jaakko>Rachbaby: be careful, you may get infected and became a geek
05:23<Rachbaby>heheh :))
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05:36<grummund>What's the best way to resize a WinXP partition to make way for Debian to dual-boot? (am i right in thinking the Debian installer doesn't do this?)
05:37<weasel>d-i can do it
05:38<grummund>hmmm ok, i did boot up from the etch CD and didn't come across any option to resize the partitions
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05:38*grummund goes to check the manual....
05:39<jaakko>grummund: Best way would be taking the hd out of box to other reliable computer and then resize. Depends on live cd but you can do it with them. I would not trust Gnome livecd...
05:40<grummund>it's a brand new laptop so i'd rather not take the hd out
05:41<jaakko>grummund: I tried to create two partitions with gparted and then Gnome interrupted the process "New device attached..." damn I hate that.
05:42<jaakko>grummund: If you don't have anything valuable data on it, liveCD is fine (of course your should back up anyway..)
05:42<grummund>heh. i wouldn't want to be running gnome while repartitioning for just that reason... command line tools are just fine by me
05:43<jaakko>grummund: have you used "parted"?
05:43<jaakko>"parted is a disk partitioning and partition resizing program"
05:43<grummund>btw, original question was am i right in thinking the Debian installer doesn't do this?
05:44<Hideo>05.37.12 # <weasel> d-i can do it
05:44<jaakko>Hideo: Does it support NTFS?
05:44<Hideo>I dunno
05:46<grummund>ok, so using d-i does it actually give the option to resize a partition or is this a case of switching to another terminal to run parted?
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05:46<jaakko>I would be careful with d-i, I think it destroy the data...
05:47<jaakko>But I haven't used it since sarge
05:47<Hideo>I'd have guess the latter, but then again I haven't seen the option to do it
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05:48<jaakko>grummund: d-i does resize yes, but I think it prompts if you want to remove all data.
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05:49<grummund>in other words it just re-partitions the disk... ? (re-size to me implies keeping the old data! ;-))
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05:50<weasel>I think I said everything there is to say about the matter.
05:50<weasel>why don't you check the manual instead of wildly speculating?
05:50<grummund>i am ;)
05:54<alaya>is there a way to get kfm to show thumbnails for a directory of images?
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05:58<grummund>jaakko: thanks
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06:01<alaya>ah i just found tools -> create image gallery option
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06:32<reddragon>can i ask a question in this channel ?
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06:32<jaakko>reddragon: sure, it is debian related :)
06:34<reddragon>it's linux related i think. i downloaded a file *.tar.bz2 - used an archiver to open it, there is a bunch of files in there. since i just switched from windows, i don't know much how tu run things. so i want to know how to make it work
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06:35<jaakko>reddragon: So you got it open. What else are you trying to do with it?
06:36<reddragon>i want to run them, install, like i would do in windows...
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06:38<jaakko>reddragon: Are you using debian? do you know how to install programs from debian?
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06:40<reddragon>no it's not debian. i have no idea how to install things in linux
06:41<amphi>reddragon: you should ask in your distro's channel
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06:41<reddragon>so that's all i get ? "go somewhere else" ?
06:41<lAmBuKa>apt-get install
06:42<reddragon>don't they in general work the same ?
06:42<amphi>reddragon: this channel is for debian support
06:42<lAmBuKa>and then the programm you want to install
06:42<amphi>reddragon: what distro are you running?
06:42<jaakko>reddragon: There is mainly two choices. You get compiled binary from your distributions repository or you download a source somewhere and compile it. Google for both.
06:42<reddragon>i understand, but in ubuntu nobody is answering my question. it's quiet in there
06:43<amphi>reddragon: try #ubuntu on
06:43<reddragon>i'm in there
06:43<reddragon>low priority question i'm asking i guess...
06:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
06:44<reddragon>12:43] <Live-Intaller> I need help installing Kubuntu from live CD to Hard Disk Multi-Boot using synaptic or apt-get I have XP on partition 1 /dev/sda1 13.18 GiB ntfs Mountpoint /media/disk-2 with boot flag also /dev/sda2 1.95 GiB Linux-swap /dev/sda3 1.90GiB ext2 Mountpoint /media/disk (lost and found folder 100MB) /dev/sda4 12.45GiB Mountpoint /media/disk-1 (label Set) reiserfs label Set Also 8.8GiB unallocated Any suggestions
06:44<reddragon>on how to mini in
06:44<reddragon>[12:43] <Live-Intaller> stall? I would like Windows on sda1 grub on sda3 and Kubuntu on sda4 and format the last 8.8GiB as fat32 or maybe install nexenta the PC ihas ASUS P4P800 motherboard with 2 EA 512 DDR 400 RAM and P4 2.8 GHz with an AUSU WIFI PCI (Broadcom)
06:44<reddragon>this is what they on in the channel
06:44<reddragon>sorry for flood...
06:44*amphi sighs
06:44<bma>reddragon, just because nobody answers in #ubuntu doesn't mean asking here will do you any good.
06:45<reddragon>i can see it now.
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06:49<excalibur>hallo kann mir jemand auf deutsch bei einem debian etch problem helfen?
06:49<Torsten_W>then go to the german channel
06:49<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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06:50<excalibur>oh sorry
06:50<Hideo>you can ask here, if you can speak english
06:51<excalibur>i think my english is too bad to describe my problem
06:52<excalibur>but i will try it in the german chanel :-)
06:52<Hideo>alright :)
06:52<excalibur>have a nice day
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07:13<fwef>Hi all ,does anyone know how to install j2ee using apt-get?
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07:16<ifvoid>fwef: apt-get install sun-java5-jre ?
07:16<hatter_>what are the chances webmin will be revisited later for inclusion into Debian ?
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07:19<ifvoid>hatter_: small, I'd say
07:20<ifvoid>unless someone is really interested and want to spend time on it
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07:20<hatter_>ifvoid, to become a packge maintainer ?
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07:21<Maulkin>And also manage to convince us it's not a crock of shit.
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07:22<ifvoid>Maulkin: apparently, that wasn't the issue
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07:22<ifvoid>it was just removed because noone wanted to maintain it
07:22<Maulkin>ifvoid: It's also a crock of shit :)
07:23<ifvoid>never used it
07:23<hatter_>Maulkin, I have not delved into how it mangles files, but the new version looks really nice, its good for people coming from a windows server
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07:23<hatter_>Maulkin, what makes it a crock of shit ?
07:23<ifvoid>Maulkin: but the general concept seems rather wrong, indeed
07:23<ifvoid>cgi scripts messing with config files, brrr
07:24<ifvoid>hatter_: the general concept implies that the cgi script need to run as root
07:24<Maulkin>maulkin@cheddar:/home/repos/secure-testing/data/CVE$ grep -c webmin list
07:24<ifvoid>which is wrong on so many levels
07:24<hatter_>something like it is needed though for ex-windows users to provide easy management
07:24<ifvoid>hatter_: no
07:24<ifvoid>hatter_: ex-windows users need to buy a book
07:24<ifvoid>or just keep using windows
07:25<Maulkin>That's not what you want to allow running in a root hole on your system
07:25<ifvoid>you can't just switch and expect not to have to learn anything
07:25<ifvoid>and people switching from windows shouldn't use Debian anyway
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07:26<hatter_>I have been in the business of changing people from windows servers to samba servers and I personally prefer the shell, but people coming from active directory like the easy managemnet stuff
07:26<ifvoid>there are other distributions that are suited much better
07:27<hatter_>Maulkin, can you explain to me a little the root hole ?
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07:28<ifvoid>hatter_: the fact that webmin runs as root
07:28<hatter_>ifvoid, yes but us as admins login then su to root
07:28<ifvoid>means that everyone manages to attack your cgi script, has root access to your system
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07:28<hatter_>ifvoid, but they need to be a local user
07:28<fwef>ifvoid: no,not the j2se,I want install java ee ,but seems no one make it in testing or other source. any other help?
07:28<ifvoid>hatter_: yes, and you have two different very secure paswords for that, right, and ssh key auth?
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07:29<ifvoid>fwef: I have not the slightest idea wat the difference is between k2se and java ee
07:29<ifvoid>hatter_: and cgi scripts and the light are very vulnerable to attack
07:29<hatter_>ifvoid, yes, the user and root are good passwords
07:29<ifvoid>hatter_: and in particular webmin has a huge history of security vulnerabilites
07:31<hatter_>ifvoid, i have heard of the history, but if its used on the lan and no users have a shell, this is pretty safe ? internet access is via ssh ?
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07:31<ifvoid>so I'd argue that even if you would want to use webmin, you would have to know what you are doing very weel
07:31<ifvoid>and so webmin should not be used by newbies at all
07:31<ifvoid>hatter_: big ifs
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07:32<ifvoid>hatter_: anyway, this is rather irrelevant, as there doesn' seem to be anyone who wants to maintain webmin in Debian
07:32<hatter_>where do i read about what is required to be a package maintainer ?
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07:34<hatter_>ifvoid, thx
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07:35<hatter_>its a shame, i think webmin is great, it would be good to get past the security concerns, has there been a history of the webmin developers not being interested in the concerns from the debian crowd ?
07:36<valdyn>fwef: debian ships at least one j2ee server
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07:37<ifvoid>hatter_: anyway, if you're serious in wanting to maintain webmin, I would advise you to first try and package a very simple package
07:37<ifvoid>just to get to know the packaging and such
07:38<ifvoid>and you might be interested in joining #debian-mentors
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07:38<hatter_>ifvoid, yes, I will do some reading,
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07:39<hatter_>how much time commitment roughly do you think ?
07:39<hatter_>to be reliable ?
07:40<_shai_>I'm having a strange problem with (I think) xinerama.
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07:40<_shai_>Several applications crash on startup: awesome (the WM), opera (in the QT libs) and akregator.
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07:41<ifvoid>_shai_: have you tried straceing them?
07:41<valdyn>_shai_: xinerama makes the apps not notice that you are using it
07:41<_shai_>I have backtraces for the first two crashes
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07:41<ifvoid>isn't opera statically linked?
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07:42<_shai_>XineramaIsActive seems to return true, but XineramaQueryScreens doesn't return any screens.
07:42<_shai_>ifvoid: I have a dynamically linked version. I'm on amd64
07:42<ifvoid>_shai_: in any case, that shouldn't crash the applications; please file bugs about tha
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07:42<ifvoid>_shai_: which video driver are you using?
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07:43<_shai_>It's an nvidia card (in a lenovo T61) but the nv driver doesn't support the video card.
07:43<numpty>a server crash without a warning of any kind - console goes blank and system hangs - how can I see if it is a software problem ? Or for that matter, a hardware problem? I've already looked through syslog, munin graphs, disk space, memory space, cpu usage - nothing that should cause a crash. Further guidance, suggestions?
07:43<valdyn>_shai_: i think you want to use nvidias properietary driver
07:44<_shai_>valdyn: I really don't want to.
07:44<ifvoid>numpty: start by running memtest
07:44<valdyn>numpty: a serial console log, network access
07:44<_shai_>valdyn: Not if I can avoid it anyway.
07:44<ifvoid>_shai_: it does sound like some issue in the X server
07:44<hatter_>_shai_, i found the nvidia driver ok
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07:44<hatter_>_shai_, then you can use nvidias spanning
07:44<ifvoid>_shai_: I don't know ebough of that you help you out, I think
07:44<numpty>ifvoid : memtest86 crashed, memtest86+ for 20mins didn't. Run it longer?
07:44<hatter_>_shai_, and get 3d, which xinerama doesnt let you do
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07:44<ifvoid>_shai_: you'd probably get most help in an xorg related channel
07:44<_shai_>I'm sure, but I tend to run my own kernel builds and update them frequently (I follow the git tree).
07:45<numpty>valdyn: network fails. I'm looking up serial console logging on the interweb....
07:45<_shai_>Is there any way I can disable/remove xinerama? I'm not sure why those appications try to use it.
07:45<valdyn>numpty: use your sysrequest keys
07:45<valdyn>numpty: you might need to recompile the kernel to get those activated
07:46<ifvoid>numpty: if there's no mention of a kernel oops or crash in your systelog, it's most probably not a software issue
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07:46<numpty>ifvoid : (memtest86 on xeon (64 bit) may not work is my guess).
07:46<hatter_>_shai_, xinerama is enabled in the xorg.conf
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07:46<ifvoid>numpty: and for hardware, the most common problems are bad memory, bad fans/temperature and a bad PSU
07:46<numpty>valdyn: ok, looking up sysrequest... no default debian kernel for that?
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07:46<valdyn>numpty: i dont know
07:46<_shai_>hatter_: Odd, I didn't see it in there.
07:47<numpty>ifvoid: fans and temp ok. PSU a possibility - I'll try replacing that.
07:48*numpty appreciates the wisdom of the folks here ;-)
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07:48<_shai_> is my xorg.conf
07:49<valdyn>_shai_: xinerama shouldnt be on by default
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07:51<_shai_>Perhaps I should have mentioned this first: I am running lenny.
07:51<hatter_>_shai_, i agree, i cant see anything xinerama in there
07:51<valdyn>_shai_: why do you think those crashes have anythign to do with xinerama?
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07:51<hatter_>_shai_, it was quite a while ago i used xinerama but i am quite sure its not avtivated unless its enable in xorg.conf
07:51<_shai_>Because of the backtraces I'm seeing.
07:52<numpty>um... suse does system messages on console 10. What's the debian equivalent?
07:52<_shai_>Qt tests if xinerama is active with XineramaIsActive.
07:52<ifvoid>isn't xinerama obsolete anyway? Isn't xrandr 1.2 replacing it?
07:52<_shai_>If it is it'll try to get screen information using XineramaQueryScreens
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07:52<ifvoid>numpty: in /var/log/, I guess
07:52<_shai_>The first returns true, but the second doesn't list any screens.
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07:54<hatter_>numpty, i usually use a live cd and click around a bit to see if its hard drive or s/w related
07:54<valdyn>numpty: console logging is not active by default in debian, see /etc/syslog.conf i think, should have console logging stuff commented out
07:54<hatter_>numpty, maybe you have already ?
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07:58<numpty>valdyn , hatter: I haven't activated it yet (etch), thanks for that tip.
07:59<valdyn>_shai_: what are those 2 functions ( XineramaQueryScreens and ScreenCount ) returning exactly?
07:59<valdyn>_shai_: i can give you a test program if you need
07:59<numpty>I suspect the power supply (
07:59<_shai_>valdyn: Hang on, I'll see what I can get from the core dump
08:00<valdyn>_shai_: and xinerama is indeed on by default
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08:00<_shai_>XineramaQueryScreens returns a null pointer, but screenCount (a paramter to it) is 1.
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08:00<fwef>valdyn: you mean jboss?
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08:01<valdyn>fwef: you see jboss in debian?
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08:01<valdyn>fwef: that would make 2 then
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08:03<fwef>valdyn: I just a newbie for java ee, so plz tell me how to using 'apt-get' to get a j2ee server for debian?thanks
08:03<commander>Ive just installed ubuntu server :))) really nice
08:03<hatter_>valdyn, xinerama is on by default ?
08:03<duke>i want to shape traffic, but can't get what's difference between shaper and shaperd what is better? i want to shape per IP adress
08:03<numpty>a screen going blank and being unable to switch consoles probably doesn't give syslog -> console a chance to show any errors, but worth a try.
08:03<valdyn>_shai_: a pointer?
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08:03<valdyn>_shai_: no idea what its supposed to return really, im not sure its supposed to be a pointer
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08:04<_shai_>valdyn: The Qt code certainly expects one: XineramaScreenInfo *xinerama_screeninfo;
08:04<_shai_>xinerama_screeninfo = XineramaQueryScreens(QPaintDevice::x11AppDisplay(), &screenCount);
08:04<valdyn>_shai_: ah, i see
08:04<commander>does anybody have a link on how to properly set up the apache server 2.24?
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08:04<valdyn>_shai_: gonna modify my test program then..
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08:06<duke>i want to shape traffic, but can't get what's difference between shaper and shaperd what is better? i want to shape per IP adress
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08:08<commander>hey valdyn, im noob too
08:08<valdyn>_shai_: to bad im not using the vesa driver to have an identical system but
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08:08<noflash>commander, #ubuntu on for the server you're running
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08:09<valdyn>_shai_: maybe you can fix X by upgrading it, or reading the bts
08:09<enouf>duke: anyhing with a name+'d' at the end usually means the daemon for that app
08:09<commander>"apt-get install j2ee" maybe?
08:10<valdyn>commander: read the wikipedia page about what j2ee really is
08:10<duke><enouf> i know, but what's from this is daemonized? it still uses iptables
08:10<valdyn>commander: debian ships at least jboss and glassfish
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08:11<valdyn>commander: or maybe Java 5 EE, idont really know sun terminology
08:11<_shai_>valdyn: Thanks. I'll have a look around.
08:11<valdyn>_shai_: i do get perfectly find output for these functions, just intel driver and sid's X
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08:11<commander>thanks ppl ;) have a nice day
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08:12<_shai_>Worst case I can still change libxinerama1 to always return false from XineramaIsActive.
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08:15<valdyn>_shai_: also possible that your QT is broken, yet?
08:15<_shai_>I doubt it. awesome doesn't use Qt as far as I know.
08:15<valdyn>_shai_: yea, doesnt use much at all, neat
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08:33<mysupper>님들 하염
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08:38<_shai_>Just changed libxinerama to return false from XineramaIsActive. Now opera starts.
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09:24<XoX>why call it AMD64 instead of x64
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09:25<weasel>hysterical raisins.
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09:25*sbex reads
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09:27<valdyn>XoX: because that's what amd, the inventor of it, called it
09:28<valdyn>XoX: x64 doesnt really make sense in any way
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09:29<sbex>is there a way to roll back to a previous version of debtags in lenny since the version that came with the update is broken?
09:29<valdyn>sbex: aptitude install packagename=version
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09:31<sbex>too bad, the error "debtags: symbol lookup error: debtags: undefined symbol" stays
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09:32<chealer>sbex: which version that came with the update?
09:32<sbex>ah, no. it fails to fetch the old version and uses the new broken one
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09:32<sbex>debtags_1.7.3+nmu1_amd64 is the bad one
09:33<chealer>sbex: which Debian suite do you use?
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09:33<sbex>and "aptitude install debtags=1.7.3+b3" cant fetch this version
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09:33<sbex>Lenny on AMD64
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09:34<sbex>i googled and there was a similar problem in july 2007. and the maintainer said it has to do with an outstanding NMU. which i dont understand what it actually means
09:34<chealer>sbex: oh, right, sorry
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09:35<sbex>could that mean a dependency for debtags is not yet in the archive but coming soon?
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09:36<chealer>sbex: no. where did you read that?
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09:39<chealer>sbex: how do you get the error?
09:40<sbex>during the post-install of the package
09:40<chealer>sbex: of debtags?
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09:40<sbex>yes sir
09:41<sbex>i must admit that i dont fully understand the reply to the old bug report
09:41<chealer>sbex: it's unlikely that the version is broken. but you can roll back, yes.
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09:41<sbex>so i do wild guessing at the moment
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09:45<sbex>so the problem is the rest of /var/log/dpkg.log that is available mentions 1.7.3+b3 as previous version for 1.7.3+nmu1 but that is not available :)
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09:46<sbex>is there an archive somewhere?
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09:48<dpkg>hmm... snapshots is Archive which contains all debian packages, including already removed from debian official archives because of very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or some other reasons. Please visit
09:49<sbex>cool, thanks
09:50<chealer>sbex: yes (/var/cache/apt/)
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09:50<sbex>no, that gets cleared frequently
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09:51<sbex>the snapshot site is awesome. i keep that bookmark save :)
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10:07<Guest2415>what is this thing i found it on my computer?
10:07<Guest2415>is this an instant message thingy?
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10:08<m0RrE>this is called irc = internet relay chat
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10:08<Guest2415>yeah ok what does it do?
10:08<Guest2415>ok ill look it up
10:08<m0RrE>you can chat with the people in the same channel as you.. right now you're in the debian support channel
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10:09<Guest2415>is it based on basic?
10:09<Supaplex>basic died with Moses man
10:09<Ganneff>the topic for this channel is debian, so please stick to it.
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10:10<Guest2415>yeah i have a noppix computer so it seems to fit
10:10<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
10:10<Supaplex>knoppix is wannabe debian
10:10<Supaplex>as such, unsupported here
10:10<Guest2415>can this thing hook up to the internet?
10:10<Ganneff>where do you think you are?
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10:11<Guest2415>so like other emulators?
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10:11<Supaplex>what part of "not supported" do you not understand?
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10:15<danny>ok ive come up with a nick name
10:16<danny>uhhh is anyone here?
10:16<Supaplex>that's a closely guarded secret
10:16<danny>what is?
10:16<suiside>316 people who aren't interested in your new nickname
10:16<danny>yeah thx
10:16*Supaplex ^5's suiside
10:16<suiside>my pleasure
10:17<danny>kan any one answer my question?
10:17<suiside>if you ask one first
10:17<@Ganneff>if you have one about debian - yes. if not - no.
10:17<weasel>that was the first question. that one was for free.
10:18<danny>can this thing connect to ....say msn or aim or yahoo im?
10:18<weasel>any subsequent questions get charged the standard rate
10:18<@Ganneff>define "this thing"
10:18<danny>x chat
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10:18<weasel>well, using bitlbee...
10:19<danny>is there any debian default im systems on a debian computer?
10:19<suiside>you propably want to take a look at pidgin, or bitlbee as weasel suggesed
10:19<danny>i did i couldnt download them
10:19<Supaplex>why not?
10:20<danny>im not sure something about knoppix emulators
10:20<Supaplex>!step 0
10:20<dpkg>step 0 is, like, Install debian for support here, or kindly GTFO. thank you. </public-svc-announce>
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10:22<danny>is there a downlaoding system that will download a instant message system on debian computers?
10:22<suiside>yes, apt
10:22<danny>what is it called
10:22<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
10:23<weasel>read what dpkg said.
10:23<weasel>if you didn't understand it, read it again.
10:23<danny>i get it
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10:24<Supaplex>no, apt get's it. *ba-doom*
10:24<danny>but how do install it if its not there?
10:24<Supaplex>aptitude install <package>
10:24<jaakko>danny: "aptitude install gaim" will give one to you.
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10:24<suiside>jaakko: gaim is called pidgin these days
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10:25<Supaplex>!+info gaim etch
10:25<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
10:25<dpkg>gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB
10:25<danny>ok i have something called k package manager does that help me any?
10:25<Rhaven>tach #debian
10:25<Supaplex>yes, but that was after etch was frozen :)
10:25<danny>so what do you mean by that?
10:26<Supaplex>suiside: yes, but that was after etch was frozen :)
10:26<suiside>ah, I see
10:26<weasel>danny: are you running knoppix or debian?
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10:26<Supaplex>danny: context, my bad.
10:26<sbex>danny: you would make a good consume of beginner books that are about computers and the internet in general
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10:26<sbex>a good consumer even
10:26<Supaplex>!tell danny -about grounding
10:26<weasel>danny: then you are wrong here.
10:26<weasel>danny: we cannot help you. come back when you run debian.
10:26<chealer>!tell danny about knoppix
10:27<danny>im confused....
10:27<Supaplex>no, knoppix is not debian
10:27<danny>i know
10:27<Supaplex>then what's the confusion?
10:27<sbex>danny: have a nice day
10:28<danny>=\ yeah thanks
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10:28<Supaplex>if I had $1 for everytime a not-really-debian user asked questions about it here, I could retire. \o/
10:28<weasel>I'd rather they stopped doing it
10:29*Supaplex meddles with nvidia-source
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10:29<danny>sorry i just
10:29<danny>i dont know
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10:29<sbex>Supaplex: debian people are a synonym for competence. it works like a magnet :)
10:29<Supaplex>hahaha indeed.
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10:30<Supaplex>sbex: it's not so much the "i don't know" that gets me. it's the "Yes you told me 15 times and I refused to ACK this wasn't a debian issue" :)
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10:30<danny>im sorry
10:30<Golfgeo>Hi all
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10:31<Supaplex>danny: we'll forgive you if you stop asking knoppix stuff here, and/or just install debian instead. :)
10:31<danny>its just that im only a teenager and have no dad for instructions...
10:31<mohkohn>how do I play an mp4 video?
10:32<Supaplex>my dad is clueless about computers.
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10:32<jaakko>my dad uses windows :-|
10:32<danny>you're lucky you have a da...
10:32<danny>windows sucks!
10:32<Supaplex>I was the one who started the low level format on the mfm drive we bought decades ago
10:33<danny>so you guys use this chat console for an instant message... right?
10:33<Supaplex>80MB was like 2TB today. :P fscking huge!
10:33<mohkohn>cahoot do I need a special codec?
10:33<Supaplex>I don't. I use Psi and gaim (one for work, the other for personal)
10:34<danny>i see
10:34<danny>any one like runescape???
10:34<chealer>mohkohn: open it with a player that supports it.
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10:34<danny>nope thats a no
10:34<danny>i didnt think so
10:34<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
10:35<danny>ok ok
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10:35<sigp239>Is libcurl installed by default?
10:35<danny>i just like 15 minutes ago figured out what the heck this is
10:35<geekNerd>dont feel bad danny...thats just a dumb bot
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10:36<mohkohn>chealer I was told mplayer doesit. I just tried vlc. I have done apt-get install faad
10:36<geekNerd>there's a lot of new users and most of the "veterans" dont know as much as they let on
10:37<Scurz>Since my old update of my debian (lenny/sid), aptitude doesn't work because of the mailscanner package, see any ideas?
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10:38<Golfgeo>Got a question: I compiled a custom kernel for my Via Epia and just found on another pc that the newest gspca modules work for my webcam :-) I need to go and use the source package to get the needed modules, but do I need the kernel source I used to create my custom kernel? (I deleted it too save space)...
10:38<danny>what is "direct chat"
10:38<Golfgeo>*on = out
10:39<Golfgeo>*on = out on
10:39*Golfgeo is in typo heaven...
10:39<dragon-fire>Golfgeo, you need the kernel-headers
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10:39<Supaplex>Scurz: apt-get install --reinstall mailscanner any reason you're not keeping the 625 other packages updated? did you forget a dist-upgrade along the way?
10:39<Golfgeo>dragon-fire, general kernel-headers or specific to my custom kernel?
10:40<Golfgeo>*general or generic
10:40<danny>geeknerd, what is "direct chat"?
10:40<dragon-fire>to your custom kernel
10:40<sigp239>What is the name of the libcurl package?
10:40<sbex>danny: try #debian-offtopic
10:40<Supaplex>!tell sigp239 -about search
10:40<Scurz>Supaplex: I would like to uninstall mailscanner
10:41<sigp239>Supaplex: I did a search but several packages came up. I don't know which one it is.
10:41<Golfgeo>dragon-fire, If I re-unpack the kernel source package can I recreate those headers?
10:41<Scurz>Supaplex: and yes, I had to do a dist-upgrade
10:41<sbex>danny: and please stop stress testing the nerves of all the people here, no matter if you have a mom and dad or not
10:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 338] by debhelper
10:41<dragon-fire>Golfgeo, did you got the .config file?
10:41<Supaplex>Scurz: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.
10:41<danny>are you using direct chat sbex?
10:41<dragon-fire>sigp239, aptitude search libcurl
10:42*Supaplex adds danny to the bitbucket queue
10:42<sbex>danny: stop
10:42<Golfgeo>dragon-fire, I believe that is saved in the .deb custom kernel package. But will check
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10:42<sigp239>dragon-fire: I did that. About 14 packages show up. Which one is it?
10:43<danny>i just want to know how to use it...
10:43<Supaplex>!waytdd sigp239
10:43<sbex>danny: part this channel here and try channels like #debian-offtopic or #moocows
10:43<dragon-fire>sigp239, dpkg -L libcurl3
10:43<danny>ok but can you plz answer me first?
10:43<jaakko>Golfgeo: If you have the source it will do. And .deb contains the config I think.
10:44<Golfgeo>dragon-fire, found the file /boot/config-2.6.24 and within it states: "automaticly created with make config"
10:44<dragon-fire>it seems to match your aim ;)
10:44<sbex>danny: you dont understand the polite hints and you only react to aggressive behaviour?
10:44<geekNerd>danny: danny for real, these guys dont play.
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10:44<Scurz>Supaplex: okay, but I can't reinstall
10:45<geekNerd>and you dont want to get kicked or banned from this channel since it is the biggest and best for more advanced questions
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10:45<dragon-fire>sorry got to go....
10:45<Supaplex>Scurz: where's the .deb for it? maybe you can dpkg -i that
10:46<geekNerd>danny: meet me in offtopic and Ill answer your questions
10:46<Golfgeo>dragon-fire, So I basicly extract the kernel source run make menuconfig, load that file and run dpkg make-clean?
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10:46<Golfgeo>dragon-fire, oke thanks mate
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10:46<dragon-fire>you only have to put it in your kernel-source directory
10:46<dragon-fire>@ Golfgeo
10:46<ravenbird>golfgeo is probably the maker of Nekita, or ask me about Nekita, or a guy that loves Debian, or a guy that loves the out-doors, or not a Breadbox, or a firewall old school freestyler, or a Network Engeneer looking of work.
10:47<Golfgeo>Man I need to change my e-mail adress
10:47<Scurz>Supaplex: I looked for on Google, but I didn't find a solution :(
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10:48<Golfgeo>dragon-fire I gues you mean I need to put the file found in /boot as .config in the /usr/src/linux dir, right?
10:48<domibel>Hi all, what is the best name for a package if only a svn version number is known?
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10:49<Supaplex>Scurz: humm.. what a fubar package. I have ideas, but they're possibly too drastic to suggest to others.
10:49<Scurz>Supaplex: so, what's your first idea?
10:49<Supaplex>domibel: a svn version number may as well be the day of the week someone was born on. how is that suppose to help find the name of a package?
10:50<bighornram>hi, with non-free in sources.list what to install for java?
10:50<bighornram>package I mean
10:50<Supaplex>Scurz: dpkg -L mailscanner - are you handy with perl?
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10:51<domibel>supaplex, i try to create the package all i have is a package name: foo , and a svn number: 2624
10:52<Supaplex>domibel: do you want to make your own package?
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10:52<danny>where is the off topic channel?
10:53<domibel>supaplex, doesnt help much, because they use the date instead of the svn revision
10:54<danny>what does oftc stand for?
10:54<Scurz>Supaplex: and, no, I'm not really handy with perl
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10:55<suiside>danny: read the /topic
10:55<Supaplex>domibel: ? why can't you use the svn number instead of the date? it's incremental. the only thing that should matter is newer software has a higher version number.
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10:57<Supaplex>Scurz: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info ; ls mailscanner.*
10:57<danny>so what does that mean?
10:58<domibel>suaplex, thx, i think it is a good idea to use the svn numer, but i think it will be rejected, because it is not the common way, what do you think?
10:59<Supaplex>Scurz: for a in mailscanner.{post,pre}* ; do cp -i $a ~/ ; echo exit 0 > $a ; done
10:59<danny>suiside: so what does that mean?
10:59<Supaplex>domibel: ask them for more input if it's rejected. I'm sure they know better than I
11:00<domibel>supaplex, what do you think about foo-0.9.9+svn2624
11:00<Scurz>Supaplex: done
11:00<suiside>danny: the topic contains the name of the offtopic channel, you asked for that didn't you
11:00<Supaplex>Scurz: now try and remove it.
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11:00<Supaplex>!+info hello
11:00<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
11:00<dpkg>hello: (The classic greeting, and a good example), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 588 kB
11:00<danny>suiside: yes but i want to know how to enter the off topic channel
11:01<suiside>danny: /join <channelname>
11:01<Supaplex>I know there are some packages that have svn numbers, but I don't recall which ones
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11:03<Scurz>Supaplex: mm
11:03<domibel>supaplex, thx
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11:03<Scurz>Supaplex: mailscanner is still there with an aptitude remove
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11:04<anco>Random Fortune: > No manual is ever necessary. May I politely interject here: BULLSHIT. That's the biggest Apple lie of all! -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of interfaces
11:04<Supaplex>Scurz: look through snapshots for an older version. hopefully there's one less broken to install, then uninstall.
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11:05<Scurz>Supaplex: okay, thank you, I'm going to try this solution
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11:11<Scurz>Supaplex: with an older version, (the version 4.58.9-2 of mailscanner)
11:12<Scurz>Supaplex: same with another older version
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11:13<Supaplex>Scurz: did you review bts for this issue?
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11:14<pierre71> tous
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11:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
11:15<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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11:16<Supaplex>Scurz: if you're not interested in reportting bugs, then stable/etch is a better platform to use. use reportbug, and wait to see what the maintainer(s) say. (just don't wait on me)
11:17<Scurz>Supaplex: I can write bug reports if necessary ;)
11:17<Supaplex>some of these things you have to chase down. they won't pop up and say how to fix themself
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11:18<Scurz>Supaplex: so, do I do a report bug for this problem/bug with mailscanner ?
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11:19<Supaplex>yes, on any install/uninstall/upgrade problem (unless it's user error)
11:20<Supaplex>eg, if your config was borken by you before you upgraded, it's not a package issue. :)
11:20<kate_>ok, only there i can take help/// PLease, how to translate dolphine fm?
11:20<Scurz>ok, I'm going to write this report bug
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11:23<kate_>kde, debian 4.0 r2 etch, dolphin 0.7.0, user-newbee...
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11:23<kate_>to another language
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11:29<Sylphid>hello all, I have a fedora server that was recently compromised and am looking to replace it with some flavor of debian. I have been using Ubuntu as a desktop solution for a while but I was wondering if the server solution is optiomized for servers or is it just there for long term support... also does debian have a server distro or just the base line?
11:29<valdyn>Sylphid: just the base line
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11:29<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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11:41<jumeaux>qui parle francais ,
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11:45*Supaplex tests if uupdate is clever enough on nvidia-kernel-source
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11:45<wiejkucik>CHyba dziła;p
11:45<Supaplex>wiejkucik: what's your debian question?
11:45<Supaplex>yay. one more for /ignore
11:46<wiejkucik>kurwa to nie polski kanał.;[ Wait..
11:48<wiejkucik>so,my debian doesn't automatic mount partition
11:48<wiejkucik>show cat /etc/fastab??
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12:03<Aleric>Is it possible to make an alias that uses an environment variable that is not evaluated until when the alias is used?
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12:08<Supaplex>Aleric: use a function
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12:09<Aleric>I just tested it, it works:
12:09<Aleric>alias ext3grep='/home/carlo/projects/ext3grep/ext3grep-objdir/src/ext3grep "$EXT3GREP_FSIMAGE" "$@"'
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12:16<soxlin>hola a todos :)
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12:17<grummund>Hi, could someone tell me how to get from the output of lspci to know what BusID should be in xorg.conf please?
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12:17<encrypt>i've compiled a new kernel with fakeroot make-kpkg, and i've installed the new kernel. do i still need to use make modules_install, or is there a different step when doing this in debian?
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12:20<witte>grummund: if you have "02:0a.1 Display controller: ...", it would be 'BusID "PCI:2:a:1"', or have a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:21<_ZeuZ_>guys, is it really needed to make oldconfig if you have allready copied the .config file? It seems to parse the results either way
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12:22<E0x>_ZeuZ_: yes
12:23<_ZeuZ_>E0x: yes to "it parses it automatically" or yes to it's needed?
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12:24<grummund>witte: thanks
12:24<E0x>_ZeuZ_: yes needed
12:25<E0x>_ZeuZ_: you can load the .config in the make menuconfig too
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12:25<_ZeuZ_>E0x: Yes, I know, still I ask because whenever I compile a new kernel, just copy the file and rename it is enough for making the changes I need... The configuration get's parsed automatically...
12:26<_ZeuZ_>jaakko: Heya!
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12:26<jaakko>_ZeuZ_: hi! Did you get it actually work?
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12:29<_ZeuZ_>jaakko: Well, I haven't deployed it yet... as I still have a couple of doubts related to upload bandwidth limiting... and a couple of doubts like how to prioritize traffic from (let's say, port 80 for the clients to get a better navigation)
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12:32<jaakko>_ZeuZ_: yes it is complicated with iptables marking. I think it would be better to learn how to use tc properly as it has many filters. I will try to understand it better but it will take some time.
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12:33<Golfgeo>Hi all
12:34<Golfgeo>Got another one: Does it matter that my kernel and the additional module I need to compile/install where compiled by different versions of GCC? (4.2 vs 4.3)?
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12:38<jaakko>I installed Abiword but it installs samba server too. Why is this?
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12:40<KangarooBox>Hello. I am looking for some docs on how to create a dependency-only package.
12:40<KangarooBox>I am playing with building my own packages for internal use and everything I've found so far just deals with compiling binary packages. :(
12:40<witte>KangarooBox: maybe ask at #debian-devel
12:41<KangarooBox>witte: Will do. Thanx!
12:41<jaakko>KangarooBox: "man dpkg-deb"
12:41<witte>jaakko: i can confirm that it wants to install samba, but I don't know why
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12:43<alexng>do you know a way to get 3d working on a computer with x1300pro graphic card ?
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12:45<abang_carijodoh>i want women...
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12:45<sbex>abang_carijodoh: those you can find here will be too hard to handle for you
12:45<woden>When will nvidia-glx get into Lenny?
12:46<yago>does anyone use Ada and Linux?
12:48<jaakko>witte: if that is not bloat, what is... there has to be an unenecessary dependeny.
12:49<witte>jaakko: yes, i had a quick look into it (mind that i am not an expert ;-)), and i could not see directly what caused it
12:49<grummund>funny... i'm trying to get nvidia working too
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12:49<witte>jaakko: will be some kind of gnome dependency i think
12:49<woden>witte: I cannot interpret the page you linked.
12:49<witte>jaakko: or something with printing
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12:49<jaakko>witte: I think Abiword has samba client to access remote documents, and then somehow...
12:50<witte>woden: well, nvidia-glx will be in testing as soon as the xserver-xorg problems in unstable/experimental are fixed
12:50<witte>that is hopefully soon, but i cant put a date on it
12:50<witte>jaakko: probably something like that yes
12:51<witte>jaakko: you could file a bug report (wishlist maybe?
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12:51<shivraj>which companies video card has the best support and drivers in gnome ?
12:51<shivraj>or Xorg ?
12:52<shivraj>like when I move windows there a lot of rough edges
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12:52<woden>Maybe Intel
12:52<witte>shivraj: depends on how you define best, but intel has open source drivers and they tend to work actively on tehm iirc
12:52<shivraj>I have an ATI -- radeon x1800
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12:53<grummund>Would anyone be able to help getting nvidia to work on a Dell Latitude D630 please?
12:53<grummund>I see the errors, but not sure what it means:
12:53<grummund>"Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X ..."
12:53<jaakko>witte: Yes, perhaps I should report. I was really suprised when it started to ask my domain name and dhcp settings as I wanted write txt documents.
12:53<woden>witte: I don't understand why nvidia-glx must wait for xorg problems to be fixed.
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12:54<witte>woden: probably there are some interdependencies that need to be solved?
12:54<helmut>Hi. Could someone with udev insight help me debug udevd not getting started on my freshly cdebootstraped system?
12:55<shivraj>hmmm looks like ATI has a proprietary driver
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12:55<witte>grummund: how did you install the nvidia drivers? the debian way or from the website? and which debian are you using
12:55<woden>witte: I don't see why, since nvidia-glx is in Etch, with the old version of X, and it works fine.
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12:56<witte>woden: the xserver-xorg in etch is totally different from that in testing
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13:04<grummund>witte: yes i did install the nvidia drivers, not sure about "the debian way" but it did involve module-assistant
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13:05<witte>grummund: ok, the debian way is like in the wiki is described (and it should have module-assistant in it indeed
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13:05*grummund followed the instructions here:
13:05<grummund>apt-get install build-essential nvidia-glx module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common; m-a update; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia
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13:07<witte>!nvidia one-liner
13:07<dpkg>from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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13:08<shivraj>hmmm non-free ati drivers are pretty nice ,.... X loads slower but after thats its a much better experience ..
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13:11<woden>grummund are you using stable or unstable?
13:14<grummund>woden: i'm running etch
13:14*grummund is just reading through the wiki atm...
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13:22<woden>grummund: I tried to install nvidia drivers in Etch but my card is not supported. I have the GeForce 8800 GTX.
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13:25<grummund>woden: this is for Dell D360 lapttop, i read that nv does not work but nvidia does...
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13:27<Phearret>does someone here know how I successfully install Knoppix 5.1.1 so I can still use DVD drive ?
13:27<Phearret>have tried it a few times now since 5.0 to no avail;
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13:32<noflash>Phearret, tried #knoppix ?
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13:42<grummund>hmmm, if i don't need 3d support, should i just use generic vesa driver?>
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13:44<lupine_>grummund: not if you can avoid it. The driver you use affects 2D performance too
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13:44<Phearret>yup and the rooms empty
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13:45<Gathond>grummund: you could just use the nv driver, it should work just fine for 2d stuff
13:46<grummund>nv seemed not to work (but may be i did something else wrong)
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13:49<grummund>i think it should be common sense to get it working with vesa first... then try nv/nvidia
13:49*grummund didn't realise vesa should work
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14:07<grummund>ok with vesa driver it works (and i'm happy ;-))
14:08<grummund>with 'nv' the chipset is not detected, and with 'nvidia' it hangs with a blank screen
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14:14<t_supra26>any1 kno anythin about suckin loaches aka butterfly plec
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14:16<amphi>those words convey absolutely nothiing to me, so I guess I don't
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14:18<cjac>what's the debian way to do /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart ?
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14:21<bgat>anyone know how to get acroread working on amd64?
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14:22<witte>bgat: acroread can be found on
14:22<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
14:23<logyati>hello, im trying to configure ldap authentication. I have a Debian etch with a ldap database and some users inside it. I followed this tutorial
14:23<logyati>when i type getent passwd user i dont get anything
14:23<logyati>but "user" is there in the ldap database
14:23<logyati>i couldnt find logs to see what is wrong
14:23<logyati>can u help me guys?
14:24<fsateler>cjac: invoke-rc.d spamassassin restart
14:25<bgat>witte: reinstalling acroread from dmm now. as of last week, that package wasn't working. quit working somewhat suddenly...
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14:28<bgat>dpkg -L acroread
14:28<dpkg>No packages found matching acroread
14:28<bgat># dpkg -L acroread
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14:28<bgat> /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread
14:29<bgat> # file /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread
14:29<bgat> /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
14:29<bgat>I think that's the problem, because then you get this:
14:29<bgat> # /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread
14:30<logyati>hey guys, please help!
14:30<bgat> -su: /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: No such file or directory
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14:34<cjac>thanks, fsateler
14:35<phillipsjk>Has somebody compiled a concise list of hardware support dropped in the migration from 2.4 to 2.6 kernels? (I know ISA, VLB and possibly Microchannel has ben dropped)
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14:42<mmi>how can i redirect to https only a link from website?
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14:43<ranix>hey guys, I need some help bad
14:44<ranix>I have clamav and Exim4, and I'm suddenly rejecting mails (temporarily) because /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl is nonexistant even when clamav is running
14:44<ranix>I tried upgrading clamav and it's still not making the socket file
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14:45<ranix>also tried using TCPSocket options to specify the loopback and it's still not working
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14:46<ranix>whoops it's working now
14:46<ranix>I guess my fumbling got it going
14:46<ranix>I wish I knew wtf that was about
14:46<petemc>its a local socket, not a tcpsocket
14:47<ranix>it's using the localhost tcpsocket now instead of the local socket
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14:47<Vasiliy_>Please help me, I've got a problem while compiling linux kernel 2.6.18: kernel/softirq.c: In function ‘cpu_callback’:
14:47<Vasiliy_>kernel/softirq.c:820: error: incompatible types in assignment
14:47<ranix>at first it didn't work but now it does
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15:00<Vasiliy_>I've commented that "bad" lines in softirq.c compiling.. =)
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15:02<fsateler>Vasiliy_: not a good idea
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15:09<Vasiliy_>will see
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15:11<usman>hi all
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15:12<avtobiff>hi usman
15:12<usman>hi avtobiff
15:12<usman>where u from ?
15:13<usman>.se ?
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15:13<usman>okz good
15:13<usman>so what you do ?
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15:13<azeem>usman: do you have a Debian question?
15:14<usman>well yes i have
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15:15<usman>i bought a usb web came china made i was unable to start that with my debian lenny
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15:16<avtobiff>usman, is it supported in linux at all?
15:16<avtobiff>check... or .com
15:17<usman>tell me where can i found a list of cheep webcam so that i buy
15:17<avtobiff>usman, or this:
15:17<avtobiff>usman, try they really have a killer so called "search" function
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15:18<alaya>usman: stop PMing people
15:19<Jaffarkelshac>can't get debian menu-xdg to show up anyone know how
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15:19<usman>well thanks avtobiff
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15:21<alaya>is the eductation system failing this bad, or are these people foreign?
15:21<bma>It's the internet. Everyone's foreign.
15:21<witte>alaya: foreign to which country?
15:21<avtobiff>alaya, can you please explain your (racist) remark?
15:21<craigevil>alaya: and yes the education system especially in the US has been failing for years
15:22<Jaffarkelshac>what is racist about the remark
15:22<Maulkin>avtobiff: That's not racist.
15:22<witte>I agree, it's just stupid, not racist
15:22<alaya>well, if they are from an english-speaking country, i truly cringe
15:22<avtobiff>racism is stupid. qed
15:23<alaya>hopefully they are not
15:23<witte>alaya: most people here will be from non-english speaking countries
15:23<alaya>that is a relief
15:23<azeem>alaya: if you're be more educated, you'd be able to figure that out yourself
15:23<Maulkin>Your first breakdown in logic came on line one. Thus your proof is invalidated. Please try later. (qued)
15:23<avtobiff>what is strange about people typing bad english on the internet? even those who are native typers are hard to understand sometimes (omglolsorry plx gief lulz b& etc)
15:23<witte>alaya: uk + us + canada + australia + ? = 6% of world population?
15:24<avtobiff>am i queued?
15:24<Jaffarkelshac>do ppl offer assistance concerning ubuntu
15:24<azeem>Jaffarkelshac: no
15:24<avtobiff>Jaffarkelshac, try #ubuntu
15:24<avtobiff>or... hmm is this on
15:24<alaya>i'm just saying, if there are americans typing incoherent sentences like that, i'm ready to emigrate
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15:24<witte>#ubuntu on freenode
15:24<avtobiff>Maulkin, sorry i did not follow that one?
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15:25<alaya>because its 12:30-15:30 in the US now i was guessing most people on now are in the US
15:25<Maulkin>avtobiff: it's your inappropriate use of quod erat demonstrandum that I was complaining about :)
15:25<avtobiff>Maulkin, ok. sorry. but i thought my point was very accurate though in proving that racism is stupid :)
15:25<Maulkin>alaya: False, it's 19:25pm UK time :)
15:26<avtobiff>anyhow... i wont talk more offtopic now.
15:26<Jaffarkelshac>i am in that channel as well, it just takes a while to get response
15:26<bma>avtobiff, stating != proving...
15:26<Jaffarkelshac>so what do ppl do here is i may ask
15:26<avtobiff>it also was a joke
15:26<alaya>ok. sorry if anyone is non-native speaking.
15:26<avtobiff>i am not a native english speaker. swedish is my mother/father tounge
15:26*lupine_ speaks native
15:27<petemc>alaya: some people might take offence to your notion that anyone not from america is foreign
15:27<alaya>Maulkin: it must be that time of year when you guys are an hour closer to us. maybe because we moved daylight savings time
15:27<Maulkin>alaya: yup. We've not quite moved yet
15:27<alaya>petemc: sorry. i didn't mean it like that.
15:27<Maulkin>Anyway, off. Laters
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15:28<avtobiff>i have a D-Link DWL-650+ (the sucker that is supposed to run with acx100-source) but it does not... i also have the proper firmwares as stated in a good howto (actually i have tried several, even a couple it worked with in 2.4 kernel iirc). but it does not work. any tips suggestions on getting the dwl-650+ working (on etch)?
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15:29<Jaffarkelshac>so seriously what do you do here in this channel
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15:29<witte>Jaffarkelshac: this is a support channel
15:29<avtobiff>Jaffarkelshac, come again?
15:29<alaya>petemc: but i didn't mean to imply non-american as much as non-native-english
15:29<sbex_>we give and receive help with debian related problems
15:29<petemc>all good
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15:30<witte>!tell avtobiff about acx100
15:30<witte>avtobiff: i imagine you have done/followed what dpkg just told you
15:31<avtobiff>witte, yes
15:31<avtobiff>and more
15:31<witte>avtobiff: :-)
15:31<avtobiff>or well... tried with different firmwares
15:31<Vasiliy_>Is it possible to have two or more kernels?
15:31<avtobiff>tried connecting to both enccrypted and non-encrypted networks
15:31<witte>avtobiff: ok, that is what i know about that chipset, sorry but than i cant help you
15:31<avtobiff>Vasiliy_, yes but not running at the same time
15:31<Vasiliy_>and choose one at boot
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15:31<petemc>Vasiliy_: yes
15:31<avtobiff>witte, np.
15:31<avtobiff>witte, thanks anyway
15:31<avtobiff>Vasiliy_, yes
15:32<Vasiliy_>I need to put kernel image to the boot directory?
15:32<avtobiff>Vasiliy_, compile the kernel the debian way(tm)
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15:32<avtobiff>!tell Vasiliy_ about kernel compile
15:33<Vasiliy_>ok, thanks
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15:33<Killing_Frost>Anyone know why, after installing the clamav package, I can only use tab completion only with certain commands? 'cat .aliases' works to complete ".al", but 'alias > .aliases' wont work any more.
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15:38<petemc>Killing_Frost: bash doesnt ever attempt to compete filenames after the alias command
15:38<Killing_Frost>It used to.
15:38<Killing_Frost>Had been doing it for years.
15:39<petemc>you would want to look into what changed as to how bash handles completion in that circumstance, then
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15:40<petemc>it doesnt on any boxes i have, from sarge to sid
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15:42<Killing_Frost>Was doing it just last week, before the clamav install. Was just wondering if it had something to do with it. I've been doing 'alias > .al[tab]' since Potato.
15:42<deamoon>hi every 1
15:43<petemc>Killing_Frost: unless installing clamav brought in a new bash_completion file, the two things arent related
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15:43<avtobiff>witte, what do you think of trying ndiswrapper for the card instead of acx100?
15:43<Killing_Frost>That's the info I needed. Thanks.
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15:45<witte>!tell deamoon about pastebin
15:45<witte>avtobiff: well, i don't like ndiswrapper, but if that works...
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15:46<avtobiff>witte, me neither but at least it may work...
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15:46<witte>avtobiff: did that dlink work before? or is it a first install?
15:46<witte>and are there people who got it working?.
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15:53<avtobiff>witte, it has work before on the same setup except kernel (was 2.4) and the rest of debian was from 2 years ago (think it was unstable installed then)
15:54<avtobiff>err... worked
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15:54<witte>avtobiff: i can't imagine that something that worked before isn't working anymore?
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15:55<witte>avtobiff: or rather is not supported anymore
15:55<avtobiff>witte, well... it may be the AP or something (a la fonera, people have had problems with it having to ssids on the same channel)
15:55<avtobiff>and wpa_supplicant doesn't seem to work.
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15:56<avtobiff>though i never tested wpa_supplicant before know on this card.
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15:56<slaq>any seasoned FAI users around? i'd like to hook/patch fai so that it will install to the "smallest disk that it can find" (instead of explicitly specifying "disk n" in disk_config) ... can anyone lend me a hand?
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16:03*Killing_Frost wonders if there's a command to list all or some of man's database of manpages.
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16:04<avtobiff>Killing_Frost, whatis, apropos
16:04<avtobiff>Killing_Frost, ls /usr/share/man/
16:04<Killing_Frost>Thank you, .
16:04<avtobiff>or man-db maybe instead of man
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16:11<zeev>who can I know using command line wether I have drupal package available for installation?
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16:12<zeev>how can I...
16:12<petemc>apt-cache search drupal
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16:24<Ilkka>Correct place to ask for help with Debian installation? Problem with grub/lilo installing. Two SATA drives, Debian is being installed to the second drive. Reports about severe error when installing. I would appreciate any help/ideas or directions to some faq/howto.
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16:28<aptituz>Ilkka: you need to provide at least the information which errors are being reported, otherwise its hard for anyone to support you
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16:33<WaveAngel>algum po me ajudar a instalar uma placa raalink
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16:34<Vasiliy_>yes, commenting 'bad' lines wasn't good idea
16:34<Vasiliy_>my kernel does'nt work
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16:36<djawed>salut tout le monde
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16:37<djawed>j'ai quelque question au sujet de la creation d'un serveur dédié
16:38<djawed>qui peut m'aidé ?
16:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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16:38<danny>look i know that you guys are like very vomplicated but can some one give me direct instructions on how to switch to the off subject channel?
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16:39<Ilkka>aptituz: Problem is that installer really doesn't give much info on problem at hand. Just red screen and notification that grub can't be installed. Lilo seemed to hang up completely (I booted it after a decent while). Installing from latest debian dvd for amd64. Computer is standard, new-ish Hp pavilion with Vista installed. There is not much to be done with bios setup (disabled PATA...
16:39<Ilkka>...controller). Tried also expert installer, with not much success. Tried to install grub into both drives (HP has an option from start screen to choose a drive to boot from), no success. The only non-standard thing there is that I set GUID partition table to the second drive when installing it in Vista. Shouldn't be the problem as there's no success even with first drive that really...
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16:39<Ilkka>...should be with MBR.
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16:42*Killing_Frost growls, concluding he's gonna have to break down and read the bash manpage to learn about the /etc/bash_completion file.
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16:42<witte>Ilkka: did you try to install with a newer kernel?
16:43<witte>Ilkka: there are netinstalls with a 2.6.23 kernels who have a higher chance of having the right drivers
16:43<witte>!etch 2.6.23
16:43<dpkg>it has been said that etch 2.6.23 is kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at
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16:46<half>hello everyone, i need help with openssl command. i am trying to setup server with ftp, and i am following one guide for doing it. that guide is made for multiple linux distros and im following the debian part. however, i have to enter command "openssl req -x509 -nodes -days 365 -newkey rsa:2048 -keyout /root/vsftpd.pem -out /root/vsftpd.pem", but i get response "-bash: openssl: command not found". what do i do now?
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16:47<jaakko>Ilkka: I had exactly the same problem with Sarge a year ago
16:47<weasel>half: install it?
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16:48<half>how to do it? (i am newbie to linux world :p )
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16:48<jaakko>Ilkka: But sorry, I can't remember what it was all about. You can try to boot CD and use Grub command line.
16:48<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
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16:50<jaakko>half: "aptitude install openssl"
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16:52<half>thanks, jaakko
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16:57<geekNerd>Hey da bot baby! You da bot!
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16:59<imperia>anybody know what's the correct/best MTU for bluetooth networks
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17:23<yo>si hago un apt-build -f install kde me da error ... al final de q no corresponden los tamaños de archivo, que puede ser?
17:23<geekNerd>no hobla espaniol
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17:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:30<grelle>is it possible to swap the partition order on a disk? I need to do that because my Windows installation assigns incorrect letters to my partitions otherwise...(stupid windows)
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17:32<Torsten_W>linux don't use drive letters
17:32<grelle>(I used debian when I changed the partition table, and since then I get wrong letters in windows...
17:33<grelle>Torsten_W: i's just that I can't install Windows in C any more, because somehow Debian swapped the partition order. And I need to swap it back. =)
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17:37<grelle>there must be some tool in debian with which I can edit the partition table entries without modifying the partitions themselves?
17:39<petemc>you can tell windows which driver letter to use for which partition
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17:40<grelle>petemc: not before windows is installed
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17:41<ifvoid>grelle: sfdisk might be of help
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17:42<ifvoid>grelle: or parted
17:42<Torsten_W>i don't understand the "problem", without windows, there are no drive letters
17:43<ifvoid>grelle: sfdisk lets you dump the layout, edit it in a text editor, and write it back
17:43<Tha>hi all. please tell - Can U see me?
17:43<grelle>ifvoid: I'll have a look at sfdisk. Parted can only move partitions, which would destroy the data
17:43<ifvoid>you'd better know what you are doing though!
17:43<jaakko>I think grelle has installed debian on first partition and windows woun't install on second.
17:43<grelle>Torsten_W: I want to install Windows on C. But I can't because C is assigned to the "second" partition on the disk which is full of data
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17:44<Torsten_W>it doesn't matter
17:44<ifvoid>grelle: before you install windows, C: is not assigned to anything at all
17:44<grelle>the installer assigns the letters
17:44<jaakko>Ther might be some mapping trick with boot loader if I remember correct. In grub map (hd0,1).. or is it only for drives, not partitions?
17:45<ifvoid>grelle: ahh, so you have a hda1 whihc is ntfs with data, and hda2 on which you want to install windows?
17:45<grelle>yes. and I want to swap them so that hda2 is assigned to C in windows
17:46<grelle>actually I have four partitions. ext3, swap, ntfs, ntfs
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17:48<jaakko>grelle: what is the actual problem when you start installing? Why can't you install on D: and then change the letter after installation?
17:48<jaakko>grelle: is there some error?
17:48<grelle>jaakko: mapping with grub is interesting. will look into that
17:48<Torsten_W>it doesn't matter whicht letter is the systemroot on windows
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17:49<Torsten_W>all win nt internal don't use drive letters
17:49<grelle>it's not a huge problem. but I'm going to restore a windows installation, and since its assigned to D every single path is wrong
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17:50<grelle>I would have to go through registry and application settings and change all C's to D's
17:50<Torsten_W>and the drive litter is not in the partitiontable
17:50<grelle>and vice versa
17:50<grelle>Torsten_W: How do you mean?
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17:51<Torsten_W>the drive letter is handled by win, not by the partitontable
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17:52<grelle>Torsten_W: I used to have this setup: [NTFS, NTFS]. I split the first ntfs to [ext3, swap, ntfs] to install linux, and now I can't get the third ntfs partition to be assigned correctly
17:52<grelle>Torsten_W: I thought it simply enumerated all partitions and assigned letters in order?
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17:53<ifvoid>grelle: you can change that drive letters afterwards
17:53<jaakko>grelle: yes, you did a mistake in the splitting, it is now done and you woun't get it back by modifying partition table.
17:53<esop>grelle: are the two ntfs partitions the samesize?
17:54<jaakko>grelle: isn't it easier just install everything again?
17:54<grelle>Torsten_W: you're right that Window's internal boot loader does not use drive letters, but it's a practical problem. And it's impossible to change the assigned letter of the root partition after windows has been installed
17:55<grelle>esop: no, sadly. my data partition is 4 times larger
17:55<grelle>jaakko: hehe, possibly
17:55<Torsten_W>the windows system also not use drive letters, only applications do that
17:55<ifvoid>grelle: anyway, you should be able to switch the partition order with sfdisk
17:56<grelle>ifvoid: I can't change the letter of the partition windows is installed on
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17:56<grelle>ifvoid: yes, I hope so...will look into it now
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17:58<grelle>Torsten_W: I said. It would work with windows on D, it's just a pain to setup now, because I'm trying to restore an old installation
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17:59<DBAonCall>does somebody knows why my ulimit is not working
17:59<DBAonCall>I get: -su: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted
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17:59<DBAonCall>when su to the users
18:00<DBAonCall>I set the ulimit in bash_profile
18:00<DBAonCall>but it give me this error
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18:00<ifvoid>ulimits can usually not be increased by mortal users
18:00<DBAonCall>I have set /etc/security/limits.conf
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18:00<ifvoid>just use pam to set tem
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18:00<ifvoid>that should work
18:00<DBAonCall>I have set pam
18:01<ifvoid>no, use pam to set the ulimit instead of bashrc
18:01<DBAonCall> session required /lib/security/
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18:01<DBAonCall>how do you do that?
18:01<ifvoid>see /etc/security/limits.conf
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18:01<DBAonCall>I have done that already
18:02<ifvoid>then why are you setting them in bashrc also?
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18:02<DBAonCall>well its installtion instructions for Oracle install
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18:02<DBAonCall>I done this 100 of times in RedHat
18:03<DBAonCall>and always works
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18:03<ifvoid>so, which setting do you have in limits.conf and bashrc?
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18:04<DBAonCall>these are in limits.conf:
18:04<DBAonCall>* soft nproc 2047
18:04<DBAonCall>* hard nproc 16384
18:04<DBAonCall>* soft nofile 1024
18:04<DBAonCall>* hard nofile 65536
18:04-!-DBAonCall was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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18:08<DBAonCall>got kicked out
18:09<DBAonCall>stupid arse
18:09<petemc>dont paste in the channel
18:09<DBAonCall>tried to paste my .bash_profile
18:09<DBAonCall>and it didnt like it
18:09<DBAonCall>well...its going to take ages to type the damn thing
18:09<DBAonCall>never mind
18:09<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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18:11<DBAonCall>ifvoid you still around?
18:12<DBAonCall>okay I got this in .bash_profile line by line:if [ $USER = "oracle" ]; then
18:12<DBAonCall>if [ $SHELL = "/bin/ksh" ]; then
18:12<DBAonCall>ulimit -p 16384
18:12<DBAonCall>ulimit -n 63536
18:12<DBAonCall>ulimit -u 16384 -n 63536
18:12<ifvoid>DBAonCall: don;'t past here
18:12<ifvoid>use a pastbin
18:13<DBAonCall>how do you use that?
18:13<ifvoid>you might actually read what people are saying here
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18:13<ifvoid>23:09 <dpkg> Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site
18:13<ifvoid> instead, like:,,
18:13<DBAonCall>don't know how to use pastebin
18:14<DBAonCall>I will figure out
18:14<jaakko>DBAonCall: it is web page with form, paste there and submit. Then give us the url (after the submit)
18:14<DBAonCall>I looked on one
18:15<DBAonCall>but dont have this channel on it
18:15<ifvoid>just paste in the webpage and paste the resulting url here
18:15<ifvoid>DBAonCall: doesn't matter
18:15<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
18:15<ifvoid>just paste it there
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18:17<DBAonCall>okay done it
18:17<DBAonCall>what now?
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18:17<jaakko>DBAonCall: give the url you got after submit
18:18<DBAonCall>I didn't get any URL
18:18<DBAonCall>just that I posted it and when it will expier
18:18<ifvoid>DBAonCall: your browser loaded a new page, right?
18:18<ifvoid>paste the url of that page
18:19<DBAonCall>where here?
18:19<DBAonCall>I thought you said no pasting here
18:19<jaakko>DBAonCall: Ok, type it here :D
18:19<ifvoid>DBAonCall: no more than 1 or 2 lines
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18:20<grummund>Hi, can anyone help with ipw3945d please? -
18:20*grummund can't get the driver to load
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18:20<ifvoid>DBAonCall: and what is in limits.conf?
18:20<DBAonCall>I give you that already
18:20<DBAonCall>here it is again
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18:22<ifvoid>DBAonCall: well, that won't work indeed
18:23<_Paladin_of_South_>I would like to know if exists the driver to the wireless board "Edimax 7128g RALINK RT2561" anyone knows?(sorry about my english, I'm brazilian)
18:23<ifvoid>DBAonCall: you limit the number of processes to 1024 first, and then try to increase it to 63536
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18:23<ifvoid>sorry, 16384 instead of 1024
18:23<ifvoid>DBAonCall: that's not allowed
18:24<DBAonCall>how come
18:24<ifvoid>DBAonCall: just make sure the vlaues you set in limits.conf are higher than the ones you set in the profile file
18:24<ifvoid>DBAonCall: raising limits is not allowed
18:24<ifvoid>DBAonCall: because it would defeat the purpose of setting the limits in the first place
18:25<DBAonCall>hang on...looking the limits.conf is higher
18:25<dpkg>The legacy driver for Ralink RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at, enhanced legacy driver is at Note that firmware is required for the enhanced driver: Also ask me about <rt2x00>.
18:25<DBAonCall>to the values in bash_profile
18:25<_Paladin_of_South_>thanks witte!
18:25<witte>!tell _Paladin_of_South_ about rt2x00
18:26<witte>_Paladin_of_South_: if you are using the 2.6.24 kernel, the rt2x00 driver is already included in the kernel
18:26<ifvoid>DBAonCall: the one in limits.conf is 16384, the one in bash_profile 63536
18:26<_Paladin_of_South_>huuum I don't use yet...
18:27<witte>_Paladin_of_South_: in that case, start with the rt2x00 drivers
18:27<_Paladin_of_South_>I'll install linux here, but I'm with windows vista here =/
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18:28<X>i need channel of debian in spanish
18:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:28<_Paladin_of_South_>huuum what is the kernel of current debian's version?
18:28<X>thnx so much
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18:28<witte>_Paladin_of_South_: in etch it is 2.6.18
18:28<ifvoid>_Paladin_of_South_: 2.6.18
18:29<DBAonCall>ifvoid: I am confused
18:29<_Paladin_of_South_>[sooperkuh]: I'll need to download the rt2x00 driver..
18:29<DBAonCall>I got another machine with RedHat on it
18:29<DBAonCall>and got exactly the same settings
18:29<DBAonCall>and its working fine
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18:29<_Paladin_of_South_>I'll download debian and the driver, I hope it works
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18:30<imperia>_Paladin_of_South_: get the latest kernel and compile it.
18:30<_Paladin_of_South_>huuum I'm noob =x
18:30<imperia>its easy
18:30<_Paladin_of_South_>I'll start learning linux at my university
18:31<ifvoid>DBAonCall: so?
18:31<ifvoid>redhat is probably buggy
18:32<DBAonCall>what suggestion would you have to set ulimit for my oracle user
18:33<DBAonCall>it needs to be higher of 1024 default limit
18:33<DBAonCall>I have set limits.conf
18:33<DBAonCall>so how to pass on that to oracle user
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18:35<DBAonCall>even if I try to set ulimit -n to any value higher then 1024
18:35<DBAonCall>it gives that error
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18:36<grummund>Hi, any suggestions how to get ipw3945 to recognise my card please? -
18:36<grummund>the error is "Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded."
18:37<grummund>lspci says: 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Unknown device [8086:4229] (rev 61)
18:39<v0rex>have tried?
18:40<grummund>cusco: i already read that page, can you see something i missed?
18:40<v0rex>hmm there seems to be problems with 2.6
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18:47<witte>_Paladin_of_South_: you could get the etch with 2.6.24, which you can get here
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18:47<witte>!tell _Paladin_of_South_ about etch 2.6.24
18:47<witte>!tell _Paladin_of_South_ about etch 2.6.233
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18:47<witte>!tell _Paladin_of_South_ about etch 2.6.23
18:47*witte should learn how to type
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18:48<_Paladin_of_South_>is it the pack with the driver?
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18:50<_Paladin_of_South_>(yes, i'm really noob with linux)
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18:50<dpalacio>what is the option to tell apt to not install recommended packages by default?
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18:50<witte>_Paladin_of_South_: it should, it has the 2.6.24 kernel and additional wireless firmware
18:51<cusco>grummund: yea
18:51<cusco>some modprobe along the way
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18:51<witte>_Paladin_of_South_: are you going to install the pc over wireless, or do you just need to configure wireless after you installed it with plain ethernet?
18:51<_Paladin_of_South_>huuuum witte but I need to compile the kernel?
18:52<witte>_Paladin_of_South_: no, you shouldn't
18:52<_Paladin_of_South_>I'll install then I'll configure it
18:53<grummund>cusco: thanks but i did also modprobe, it doesn't help. lsmod shows the driver loaded, also reported in dmesg output -
18:53<witte>ok, and during install you have cabled network?
18:53<witte>in that case, everything will be ok, and it doesn't really matter what you use
18:53<witte>!tell grummund about pciids
18:54<_Paladin_of_South_>yes, I'll configure ther wireless after the install
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18:55<grummund>witte: thanks. lspci reports the card now
18:55<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>.
18:56<witte>grummund: that was for you ;-)
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18:56<grummund>yep. ;) quite sure i've been through all that, i'll check it again though
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18:59<grummund>witte: yep i've done that but still have the same error. "Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded."
19:00<grummund>could a reboot be required?
19:00*grummund did modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945
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19:02<witte>grummund: you could try, but in theory that should not work
19:02<witte>grummund: but you never knwo
19:02<witte>you have the firmware in /lib/firmware?
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19:07<grummund>well reboot don't help... ;) and yes there is /lib/firmware/ipw3945.ucode
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19:09<maria>how can i install wine doors on ubuntu?
19:09<grummund>it's as if the driver does not see the chipset -
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19:13<witte>grummund: there seem to be more people who can't get that card working
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19:14<witte>grummund: try this:
19:14<Supaplex>maria: /topic - and we're quite aware that ubuntu channels might not offer the support you need. (try installing debian instead)
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19:15<grummund>witte: yeah i'm thinking if i have to compile something from source then may as well go for iwlwifi
19:16<grummund>ipw3945 in Etch is not the latest so i could compile the latest of that
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19:19<witte>grummund: but you have a 4965, not a 3945, so i would go for iwlwifi...
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19:20<grummund>witte: umm, true that's what lspci says. guess i should reboot to WinXP to check what that says
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19:26<grummund>WinXP agrees it's a 4965AGN. funny how you can get carried by so many howto's
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19:46<imperia>zomg is out! :)
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19:48<v0rex>lol, nerd
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19:51<s_i_m>hi, does anybody here use acroread 8.1.2 from lenny?
19:52<s_i_m>i am trying to fill a pdf form with it, but with no success.
19:52<s_i_m>it simply does not allow editing the fields.
19:53<s_i_m>acroread-plugins package is installed
19:55<abrotman>!fill pdf forms
19:55<dpkg>pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf;
19:55<chealer>s_i_m: no, acroread is not distributed by Debian
19:55<s_i_m>ohcibi|lappi, yes. true, i got it from marillat's repo...
19:55<s_i_m>i did not notice
19:56<gpb>oh, i got it then from there, too?
19:56<gpb>thought it was in non-free, perhaps
19:56<s_i_m>f**k, again i am doing misfire
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19:59<s_i_m>gpb, i also had a feeling that i was in non-free in the past
20:00<s_i_m>i avoided using it
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20:00<s_i_m>it was*
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20:11<bojanr>Is anyone else having problems installing Gnome in Sid right now?
20:11-!-bojanr is now known as SeveredCross
20:11<SeveredCross>I tried aptitude install gnome-core, but apparnetly gnome-session is at version 2.20, everything else is 2.22.
20:11<SeveredCross>PowerPC platform.
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20:13<abrotman>!install gnome
20:13<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
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20:14<petemc>isnt ppc a second class citizen?
20:14<SeveredCross>abrotman: Thanks for the totally useless trigger.
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20:14<SeveredCross>I know how to install it, but I'm wondering if it's known that the dependencies are broken.
20:14<abrotman>SeveredCross: surely .. it's called unstable for a reason
20:14<avu>SeveredCross: yeah, some versions are mismatched at the moment in sid/ppc
20:15<abrotman>SeveredCross: that was more a hint for you to start smaller .. and work up
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20:15<SeveredCross>avu: Thank you.
20:15<SeveredCross>abrotman: Actually, I started with gnome-core.
20:15<abrotman>SeveredCross: but 2.22 is half in sid ..
20:15<SeveredCross>If you had noticed what I said, you would've seen that.
20:15<abrotman>SeveredCross: right .. so i was implying you should try the next one up
20:15<abrotman>and i did notice
20:15<SeveredCross>How would that help?
20:15<abrotman>does it run with just gnome-core?
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20:16<SeveredCross>No, it won't even install.
20:16<abrotman>bah .. seems down
20:16<SeveredCross>I get a blank page.
20:16<SeveredCross>I'll just install gnome from Lenny for now.
20:16<abrotman>yeah .. so do i
20:16<SeveredCross>And wait for it to make its way into Sid.
20:17<abrotman>but in general . that page will show you what's going on.. kind of
20:17<abrotman>it really compares upstream vs. unstable
20:17<chealer>petemc: depending on what you mean by that, yes
20:17<abrotman>SeveredCross: which architecture are you on ?
20:17<abrotman>oh .. ppc
20:17<ressity>I'm running Debian now, but have Ubuntu installed on another drive. And I can't config grub to boot the ubuntu install. Is this the right channel?
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20:18<abrotman>SeveredCross: 2.22 is in unstable .. but not for PPC
20:18<SeveredCross>Yeah, I'm seeing that.
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20:18<SeveredCross>gnome-session is the only thing that's missing, all the other deps are there.
20:18<SeveredCross>I suppose I'll try Xfce or something.
20:18<abrotman>SeveredCross: you could try grabbing the dpkg source .. and building yourself, but i can't imagine you'd have more luck than the buildd
20:18<SeveredCross>Yeah, I'd rather not test my luck, especially on a 400 MHz machine.
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20:20<SeveredCross>What in the name of all that is holy? None of teh parts of Xfce pull in X11 dependencies.
20:20<abrotman>aren't you supposed to install the xfce4 package ?
20:21<chealer>ressity: it should be (depending on why you can't do it)
20:21<abrotman>(and also the 'xorg' package)
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20:22<SeveredCross>abrotman: I did, oddly enough.
20:22<ressity>chealer: I've copied the generated grub config from the Ubuntu install and inserted it into Debian's grub/menu.lst. It points to (hd1,0) with correct uuid and image
20:22<abrotman>both ?
20:22<SeveredCross>Actually, not xorg, I figured xfce would pull in what it needs.
20:22<SeveredCross>Doing xorg now.
20:23<ressity>chealer: I've tried every drive hd{1,2,3,4,5}, even though it should be hd1
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20:23<abrotman>SeveredCross: some people use remote X
20:23<ressity>chealer: I get the same error on every drive. "can't mount image" or something like that
20:24<SeveredCross>Got it. Whoohoo.
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20:24<witte>ressity: sure it is not hd0?
20:24<ressity>chealer: Except if I try with hd0 (which is Debian), then it can't find the file, which is correct because the image file names are not the same
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20:24<chealer>ressity: how many drives do you use?
20:25<ressity>chealer: 5
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20:25<ressity>chealer: but only 1 is bootable from BIOS, but that shouldn't be a problem, right?
20:26<chealer>ressity: then shouldn't you try hd{0-4}?
20:26<chealer>ressity: right
20:26<ressity>chealer: the thing is that I can't boot directly off the Ubuntu drive either. I don't know why. GRUB should be installed on that drive
20:26<ressity>chealer: yeah, that's right. hd5 doesn't exist. my bad
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20:26<ressity>chealer: i tried every number up until "not found"
20:27<ressity>chealer: Do I have to set the 'boot' flag on the partition where Ubuntu is installed or something?
20:28<chealer>ressity: no
20:28<chealer>ressity: "can't mount image"...or something like that?
20:28<ressity>chealer: because my Debian partition has the boot flag set
20:28<ressity>chealer: yeah....those messages arn't logged anywhere, are they?
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20:29<chealer>ressity: no
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20:31<ressity>chealer: damn...rebooting...=)
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20:35<ressity>chealer: allright. "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition"
20:35<chealer>ressity: partition(s) being...?
20:36<ressity>chealer: And before that "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x83"
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20:37<ressity>chealer: I get the same error on all drives except hd0. The ubuntu drive has ext3, swap. the other drives have a single xfs each
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20:37<ressity>chealer: and the ext3 is partition 0
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20:37<ressity>chealer: according to gparted
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20:41<ressity>chealer: And I just double checked that the uuid is correct. what else could be wrong??
20:41<chealer>ressity: what's the name of partition type 0x83?
20:43<ressity>chealer: 'Linux' according to fdisk. it's the standard ext3 fs
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20:46<chealer>ressity: I read that as "filesystem type 0x83 unknown"
20:47<chealer>ressity: and 0x83 being ext2, I have no idea why Debian's grub would not recognize ext2. ask the channel.
20:48<ressity>chealer: ahh, no. "partition type 0x83" remains the same regardless of the error. I think that is the fs-type it expects
20:49<chealer>ressity: you mean that regardless of the drive?
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20:50<ressity>chealer: yes. Even on the drives that have xfs
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20:52<chealer>ressity: why would grub expect a certain fs type?
20:53<ressity>chealer: i have no idea. =)
20:54<ressity>chealer: but i don't think that part of the error message is relevant...I don't know how it can know the partition type if the filesystem type is unknown
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20:56<chealer>ressity: AFAICS it means filesystem type by "partition type". but I can't make sense of what you're telling. ask the channel or Google.
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21:00<ressity>chealer: I'll try tomorrow. Have to sleep now...
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21:10<NeoJew>I hope I'm in the right channel, but I need some help installing a driver and I'm a complete noob.
21:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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21:12<witte>NeoJew: the dpkg response is maybe a bit harsh, but yes, you are at the right place
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21:13<Aleric>I just an important password...
21:13<Aleric>I very recently copy&pasted it with my mouse... is there a way to retrieve recent copy&paste values?
21:14<josy>Hello i am using debian etch so can everbody tell me why in games my Graphics Memory is shown 64 Mb because i have a 256 Mb At Radeon 9600 Pro
21:14<Aleric>I just LOST* an important password
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21:16<petemc>Aleric: dd if=/dev/mem of=/tmp/foo
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21:16<petemc>Aleric: kudos for a mention on kernel planet
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21:17<NeoJew>The wireless card is an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945abg and I'm on my laptop (HP Compaq nc8430). I'm using Debian 4.0r3. I downloaded the drivers for Linux from Intel's site (iwlwifi1.0.0) and I tried to start off by untar'ing the folder and using ./configure in the terminal in the folder that was extracted because someone told me too. I got an error about there being no such file/directory. Then I tried to run make and got an error about no
21:17<NeoJew>t finding the makefile at 'lib//modules/2.6.18-6-686/source' and *** [compatible/kversion] Error 1.
21:17<NeoJew>I tried reading the Install file, but it's all giberish to me T_T
21:17<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>.
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21:19<NeoJew>How do I edit the sources list?
21:20<bma>sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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21:20<Aleric>petemc: That's going to be very hard to find back in 2 GB... the only thing I remember is that it's 10 characters and ends on K. The password is random, existing of characters (upper and lower case) and digits.
21:20<acu>how can I configure webdav ? Is any GUI for it ?
21:21<petemc>Aleric: grep K$
21:23<Aleric>If I copy and paste something, I'm not convinced that '$' will be there...
21:24<NeoJew>Thanks everyone/thing that helped me. I think I may have it working now. But I need to disconnect for a bit to see ^_^
21:24<petemc>that tells grep to look for K at the end of a string
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21:24<Xenguy>NeoJew: you may have to be root to edit that file :-)
21:24<Aleric>petemc: which only works if there is '\0' or '\n' after the password in memory.
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21:25<Aleric>For all I know it stores it in some buffer and stores the length something instead of ending it with a trailing 0.
21:25<abrotman>why did you lose it?
21:25<petemc>you seem to know more than me
21:25<petemc>Aleric: suck it and see
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21:25<witte>Aleric: which kind of password did you lose
21:26<petemc>Aleric: seems to be you're rather clumsy
21:26<petemc>dont you learn from your mistakes?
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21:26<Aleric>abrotman: It's the password of a bank account.. I only have it pgp encrypted on disk. I had to change it, which I do with a set of commands that make sure that there is no (unencrypted) trace left on my harddisk: the file that I edited was wiped.... then it turns out that for some reason the gpg encrypted file wasn't updated... so it gone :/
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21:27<_ZeuZ_>Hmmm.. this is weird, whenever I execute nmap with Version prove, it doesn't work... Doing it as root with: nmap -V ip
21:27<abrotman>Aleric: don't they have a reset option ?
21:27<Aleric>abrotman: nope
21:27<abrotman>Aleric: get a new bank
21:27<Aleric>I'm glad it's not that simple :p
21:27<Supaplex>haha awesome abrotman :)
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21:28<petemc>put your cash under the matress
21:28<witte>Aleric: contact the bank, you wont be the first one who lost his password
21:28<Aleric>They will have to sent me a new password - and it will be good if it's going to be very hard to get one :/
21:28<abrotman>Aleric: just do like petemc .. keep your millions in an off-shore account
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21:28<petemc>i invest my money in drugs and alcohol
21:29<abrotman>as long as it gets a good return i suppose
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21:29<petemc>its a long term investment
21:30<hell-jack>how can i fix this error
21:31<abrotman>!find usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/config etch
21:31<dpkg>Debian Search of 'usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/config' (1): (/usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/{config|config.mysql|config.pgsql|...}) in admin/dbconfig-common.
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21:31<Xenguy>hell-jack: wordpress ? ;-)
21:31<witte>hell-jack: just install dbconfig-common
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21:32<hell-jack>movable type
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21:33<hell-jack>do you know any begginer tutorial how to build wordpress on debian and how to execute ?
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21:36<hell-jack>can i view perl-doc graphically
21:37<hell-jack>are there a program which has such capability
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21:38<Killing_Frost>Anyone know why lame is no longer in Debian?
21:39<petemc>when was it in debian?
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21:39<witte>lame is in debian-multimedia
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21:39<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
21:40<Killing_Frost>Back in 2000 in Woody. Yeah.
21:40<NeoJew>I did what that robot told me to do and I was able to see the networks in my area and I connected to mine, but couldn't get online. I rebooted cause that's how you fix things in Windows :P But now I can't see my wireless networks anymore, I have the card active in the Network Settings, but it's not acting very active if you know what I mean...
21:40<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
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21:42<acu>what browser can we use to access a webdav file system ?
21:42<Killing_Frost>Thank you.
21:43<dpkg><mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it.
21:43<SeveredCross>Hahaha, nice.
21:44*Killing_Frost jamz...
21:44<Killing_Frost>Keep well, all.
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21:45<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>.
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21:46<NeoJew>I did that and could connect to a network, but not get online for some reason. I rebooted and can still get the wireless card active, but I can't see the wireless networks anymore. Do I have to do something special when I boot up?
21:47<Supaplex>does the Depends: info come from anywhere else than debian/control? I changed the version numbers this depends on, but aptitude show <pkg> still says it's depending on the non etch version of another package :-/
21:47<Supaplex>NeoJew: what did you do before rebooting? did you do any of that again?
21:48<NeoJew>nothing. Just configured the card so it would activate and then connected to a network and tried to load Google. Didn't work, so I rebooted.
21:48<NeoJew>then plugged in to my router so I could come here for help
21:48<Supaplex>you have to troubleshoot more than just trying google.
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21:49<Supaplex>can you ping the router? did you get an dhcp address? do you have a default route? is dns working?
21:49<karmatron>hi there
21:49<NeoJew>lol, well I can't connect to the networks at all since I rebooted, so let's start with that.
21:49<witte>NeoJew: did you set the essid
21:50<witte>NeoJew: iirc iwlist <device> scan
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21:51<witte>NeoJew: and the devices is showing in /sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/iwconfig?
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21:51<witte>NeoJew: what is dmesg telling about the device?
21:52<NeoJew>What do I replace <device> with?
21:52<NeoJew>something like Eth2?
21:52<witte>NeoJew: yes, but rather without caps
21:53<NeoJew>ok, I shows the networks in that list
21:53<witte>NeoJew: you see which device with /sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/iwconfig
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21:54<NeoJew>Sorry, I don't understand. Do you want me to type something in the Terminal?
21:55<witte>NeoJew: ok, just type "/sbin/ifconfig;/sbin/iwconfig;iwlist eth2 scan" in a terminal
21:55<witte>and paste the result in a pastebin
21:55<witte>!tell NeoJew about pastebin
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21:55<GhostlyDeath>My laptop is no longer getting info from DHCP
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21:56<GhostlyDeath>also nm-applet says that there are no network interfaces
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22:00<Supaplex>oh nice. nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.09 but it is not installable
22:00<witte>NeoJew: your network card sees 4 networks: prime and 3 times linksys
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22:00<Supaplex>how am I suppose to build nvidia-kernel-169.09? it's not in my sid deb-src's
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22:00<witte>NeoJew: the essid your network card currently has, is prime2
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22:01<witte>NeoJew: sudo /sbin/iwconfig eth2 essid prime2
22:01<witte>oops, sudo /sbin/iwconfig eth2 essid prime
22:01<witte>or linksys if you wnat that one
22:02<imperia>guys my nobody account have shell set as '/bin/sh' should i change it to '/bin/nologin' or '/bin/false'?
22:03<Supaplex>imperia: it should already be locked anyway
22:04<NeoJew>Witte, I changed it to prime, what now?
22:04<dondelelcaro>imperia: it shouldn't matter, because no one can log on as that user anyway
22:04<imperia>ok.. thanks guys
22:04<witte>NeoJew: how is that network secured?
22:04<Supaplex>but I've heard others breaking it somehow :P
22:04<NeoJew>1 sec, I'll check
22:05<zhengyi>Supaplex: not sure I can be of any further assistance, but nvidia-kernel-169.09 appears t0o be in sid
22:06<zhengyi>(which is of course useless if you're not running sid, but hey...)(
22:06<witte>NeoJew: probably you need to configure that as well, before you can make a connection
22:06<Supaplex>zhengyi: apt-get source nvidia-kernel-169.09 wasn't found?! humm
22:06<witte>NeoJew: probably it is easiest to use some kind of gui thingy for that
22:06<witte>NeoJew: network-admin or something?
22:06<zhengyi>Supaplex: try install rather than source?
22:06<dpkg>wpa is, like, Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired.
22:06<zhengyi>Supaplex: I believe it'
22:07<zhengyi>s supposed to be dealt w/ via module-assistant
22:07<Supaplex>zhengyi: I'm backporting it to etch
22:07<zhengyi>Supaplex: oh well, in that case, I wish you luck and fun :)
22:08<zhengyi>Supaplex: and success too, of course
22:08<Supaplex>zhengyi: what do you mean it's in sid? has nothing.
22:08<zhengyi>Supaplex: I just dl'd the dang thing, swear to god
22:09<NeoJew>Witte: Aptitude says I already have wpasupplicant installed, how do I run it?
22:09<zhengyi>Supaplex: umm, lemme go look @ my sources
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22:09<Supaplex>zhengyi: ok. paste apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-169.09 to please :)
22:09<witte>NeoJew: read the wiki page that dpkg gave
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22:10<NeoJew>kk, thanks. I'm gonna read the wiki and then head off to bed. Thanks for the help.
22:10<witte>or just try the network-admin tool, i think it will be quite easy to
22:11<zhengyi>Supaplex: wish I could, but I'm console only @ the moment, and the wife is on the other (useful) computer
22:11<imperia>version 169.09-1
22:12<Supaplex>script -c "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-169.09" ~/public_html/nvidia-kernel-169.09-policy.txt :)
22:12<Supaplex>imperia: nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-169.09
22:12<imperia>i just saw that... but nvidia-kernel = "Package is not available"
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22:13<Supaplex>that's what I'm saying
22:13<zhengyi>ahh, there's the disconnect: perhaps you're looking for the pkg 'nvidia-kernel-source' instead?
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22:13<imperia>Supaplex: only source of the package is there
22:13<Supaplex>humm is nvidia-kernel-source suppose to build nvidia-kernel-${APIVERSION} ?
22:14<zhengyi>Supaplex: dunno; I'm just working off of what dpkg said about <nvidia_post_etch>, and the pkg specified there was nvidia-kernel-source, not nvidia-kernel
22:15<zhengyi>quite possibly though
22:15<Supaplex>I already have nvidia-kernel-source. sounds plausible.
22:15<zhengyi>OK, cool
22:15<zhengyi>well, scuse me while I head off to my other terminal
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22:16<Supaplex>ahh yes, that's true.
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22:18<Supaplex>if this builds the old version again ... *SCREAM*
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22:20<cybertux>was ist chroot ?
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22:20<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
22:20<dpkg>hmm... chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also
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22:29<Supaplex>I had to backport module-assistant, as nvidia-kernel-source uses a .tar.bz2 now
22:30*Supaplex dances
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22:32<chealer>Supaplex: ABI, yes
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22:40<Supaplex>I guess I need equivs to bridge the gap between linux-image-2.6.18-6-vserver-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 as the former should provide that.
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22:49<Alejandr000>hola, tengo una duda, el "ssl-cert" que se queda pegado al instalar lenny... se puede "botar" con control + c durante la instalación ?
22:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:50<Alejandr000>ok, thanks xD
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22:51<f4rr4r>How do I make VI automatically ":set nu" rather than having to type it everytime?
22:51<Supaplex>f4rr4r: edit ~/.vimrc
22:51<f4rr4r>Supaplex, Thank you :)
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22:52<Supaplex>well, that's for vim. maybe it's .virc ?
22:53<f4rr4r>Supaplex: I don't have a .vimrc or .virc file in my home directory. And, what's the difference between vim and vi?
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22:54<witte>f4rr4r: vim is vi improved, you will typically use that one as an alias to vi
22:54<Supaplex>vim is newer, with different defaults and slightly different behaivors/interactions etc. poke the man page to be sure if that dotfile isn't the one. just create it
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22:54<witte>f4rr4r: there is a /etc/vim/vimrc file
22:54<f4rr4r>Thank you :)
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22:55<witte>f4rr4r: mind that there is also emacs :P
22:55<f4rr4r>witte: yes
22:55<Supaplex>real men use ed ;)
22:55<f4rr4r>witte: I haven't learned to use emacs or vim, just ed & vi
22:55<f4rr4r>Supaplex: I've learned ed & sed, but I prefer vi :)
22:55<petemc>if you know vi, you're good with vim
22:56<petemc>vi on debian = vim
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22:56<witte>f4rr4r: well, the vi that you use is probably vim, but ed, well, welcome to this century ;-)
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22:57<f4rr4r>witte: lol, just realized, yes. I've actually been using VIM on my Ubuntu system (though VI) at school.
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22:58<f4rr4r>And yes, creating the .vimrc file worked, thank you :)
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23:07<Supaplex>yippie! what a royal pain in the %$*@$( to backport by hand.
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23:34<hell-jack>E: phpbb2: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1
23:34<hell-jack>what does this mean
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23:38<chealer>hell-jack: it means there was an error running phpbb2's postrm script
23:39<hell-jack>how can i execute phpbb2
23:39<witte>hell-jack: you should let us know the full output
23:39<hell-jack>how can i make forum bu using phpbb2
23:39<hell-jack>it fixed witte
23:42<hell-jack>i creater some taables in phpmyadmin by using phpbb2
23:42<hell-jack>how can i see the result of this
23:42<chealer>hell-jack: phpbb isn't a program, it's a set of scripts. it depends what page you want.
23:43<hell-jack>i wonna see in my localhost
23:43<hell-jack>something that i create by using phpbb2
23:43<hell-jack>it is possible ? how ?
23:47<chealer>hell-jack: yes. did you see phpbb2's documentation?
23:51<Supaplex>run dpkg -L phpbb2 | grep share/doc and read those docs. or grep man/ for man pages (phpbb2 might not have the latter)
23:52<hell-jack>oki doki
23:52<hell-jack>i understood
23:52<hell-jack>all thing s are explained
23:52<hell-jack>in /usr/share/doc/
23:53<witte>usually a good start is /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian
23:53<hell-jack>thank you
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23:54<hell-jack>about 30 minutes
23:55<hell-jack>i am on freenode #wordpress
23:55<hell-jack>i cannot execute wordpress on my debian
23:55<hell-jack>can someone help me
23:55<hell-jack>is movabletype-opensource about wordpress
23:57<sime>anyone know a godd c++ ide using gtk?
23:58<hell-jack>can be good
23:59<sime>i need to hack my megasquirt
23:59<sime>it has to work tommorow I need my car to get his full power for tomorrow
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