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00:00<sime>(yes open source drives my car :) )
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00:02<sime>yes! I build an electronic injection controller
00:02<sime>to drive my injectors and coils
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00:02<sime>but see by yourself
00:03<sime>the pic of the pcb is the controller
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00:04<sime>the code for it is open source
00:04<arguapacha>Isn't there any gossips about where will be the next stable release of Debian?
00:04<arguapacha>I know... I am just wanreding in IRC ^o^
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00:04<witte>!lenny pool
00:04<dpkg>methinks lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet.
00:04<witte>!lenny pool 1
00:05<dpkg>[lenny pool 1] ! Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, streuner=2009-06-15
00:05<dpkg>lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>).
00:05<dpkg>Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see
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00:05<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
00:06<dpkg>it has been said that rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh"
00:06<witte>arguapacha: that should be the most important dpkg hints on the release of lenny ;-)
00:06<dpkg>from memory, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How?
00:06<Supaplex>!lart bugs
00:06*dpkg frags bugs with his BFG9000
00:06<arguapacha>this is so funny :P seems debian is famous for the WIR filosophy
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00:07<witte>arguapacha: you mean debian only releases when they are sure that their software is stable? that's true
00:09<arguapacha>yes... that's what I meant... and I like it
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00:31<imperia>i am trying to stream my camera with vls. i want to stream from /dev/video0 but i am not sure if the version that comes with debian lenny is compiled with support for /dev/video0 devices.. anybody got a clue
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00:49<oza>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, E: Error occured while processing hostap-modules-2.6.8-3-686-smp (NewPackage), E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages, E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
00:49<oza>i get this when i do apt-get update
00:49<gsimmons>!tell oza -about dynamic mmap
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00:52<oza>all fixed now jsut one more thing, how can i tell it to only install one package
00:52<oza>there are other packages lsited there that arn't dependecys that it wants to update but i don't want it to atm?
00:52<oza>is there a way to clear it?
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00:54<oza>or to tell it to ignore other this time round
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00:57<chealer>oza: what "it" wants to update?
00:57<rayman>guys sorry I am trying to get to a dffferent server which is how do i do that ... i am horrible with irc
00:57<oza> hole lot of stuff
00:57<oza>and i don't want it to incae it brakes soemthing i got running
00:57<oza>but i want this other package installed
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00:58<oza>can i sue the download only and then tell apt to only build that 1 package?
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00:58<oza>will then use dpkg yeah ?
00:59<sergio>can anyone help me?
00:59<sergio>ubuntu dont recognize my HD player
01:00<sergio>nothing shows up..nay ideas?
01:00<sergio>sorry ask like that...
01:00<sergio>but i am tired to try everything.
01:00<sergio>love linux...but i am new on that.
01:00<chealer>oza: no, I meant which "it" do you refer to in "how can i tell it to only install one package"?
01:01<oza>oh ntpdate
01:01<oza>oh apt
01:01<oza>how can i tell apt to only isntall one package ?
01:01<oza>that better
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01:02<sergio>any help?
01:02<chealer>!tell sergio about ubuntu
01:02<chealer>oza: which APT front-end do you prefer?
01:02<oza>i'm using the shell apt-get
01:03<chealer>oza: which apt-get command tries to upgrade a lot of stuff?
01:03<oza>apt-get install ntpdate
01:03<chealer>oza: which Debian suite do you use?
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01:04<oza>the machine in question is sarge
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01:05<Varanger>Has anyone been having problems with debootstrap lately??
01:05<oza>i'm just goign to do th udpates they only gcc locals cpp
01:05*Supaplex hasn't used it in a few weeks
01:05<oza>hopefully nothing will go wrong
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01:06<Varanger>debootstrap dies after trying to install libc6
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01:06<Supaplex>Varanger: it
01:07*Supaplex grabs phoodies - brb
01:07<chealer>oza: which ntpdate version is APT trying to install?
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01:09<Varanger>Supaplex: First, I got this error:
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01:10<Varanger>Supaplex: And finaly I got this after running the last line myself:
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01:12<vook>of course that's a debian box, just named ubuntu1 ;)
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01:13<Varanger>vook: Yes... I am trying to debootstrap a Debian system from a ubuntu box... shame on me ;)
01:14<Varanger>vook: But the process just dies :(
01:14<mhymn>Hi, I have an amd64 type processor with a i386 etch installed. Should I install an amd64 etch?
01:15<Varanger>Please any idea?
01:15<Supaplex>Varanger: what's the chroot in? why would /dev/null have permission deny on writes?
01:16<Supaplex>right now? no, not without further input. if you're root, ... is dev/null a device in that filesystem?
01:16<Varanger>Supaplex: I am running debootstrap as root. I shouldn't have problems with /dev/null
01:16<Supaplex>is grsec or selinux running?
01:16<vook>mhymn: probably not - unless you have more than 4gb of RAM. Some like to run 64-bit because they can, but there really is no need to, and usually it just bogs things down and causes excess hassle.
01:16<Supaplex>*should* being the operative word
01:16<Varanger>Supaplex: ls -l /dev/null : crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2008-02-29 23:57 null
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01:17<Supaplex>and that's in the chroot, right?
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01:17<vook>mhymn: the good news is that someday, maybe, you'll have more than 4gb of ram, and running 64-bit binaries will make more sense than it does now.
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01:18<Varanger>Not yet, I am used to binding /dev/ into /install_point/dev after debootstrap.
01:18<Varanger>Supaplex: Suddenly, I started having this problems since last weekend
01:18<Supaplex>what's debinst?
01:19<Varanger>That's the mount point for the install partition
01:19<mhymn>vook: thanx ;-)
01:19<Supaplex>ahh. ok. what architecture is it?
01:20<Supaplex> did you miss anything here?
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01:21<Varanger>Supaplex: I am following that guide. However, I didn't build debootstrap. I installed debootstrap from Ubuntu respos (as usual).
01:21<Varanger>This problem started the last weekend.
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01:23<imperia>no matters what port i put in sshd_config, auth log always says "bind to port 44 on already in use". how do i solve that?
01:24*vook has finally gone loopy - running Debian Hurd (in a qemu).
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01:25<Supaplex>Varanger: if you can managed to download the debian debootstrap (possibly from sources) and install it relative to $HOME/debian-deboostrap/ (or similar) and adjust $PATH to go there first, you might have better progress. what changed since last week btw?
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01:28<Varanger>Supaplex: I broke some conf. files last week so I have to install again Debian
01:28*Supaplex issues a callback to sleep(7h); zzZzzzz...
01:28<Supaplex>well, if you can unbreak what you did, who knows... good luck.
01:29<Varanger>Supaplex: I formatted /media/debinst before I started debootstrapping :( no luck today
01:30<chealer>imperia: what's listening on 44?
01:30<Supaplex>Varanger: why not burn a netinst cd and reboot from it?
01:30<imperia>chealer: nothing... i tried port 88 90 , 500 anything.. it always says: port already in use
01:30<Varanger>Supaplex: I don't have a CD/DVD-rom in that box
01:30<Varanger>just a big hard disk
01:31<imperia>chealer: even the default port 22 is in use... when i start sshd... the deamon is working tho.. but i dont know why i get this error
01:31<Supaplex>Varanger: do you have grub?
01:31<Varanger>Supaplex: Yes
01:32<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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01:34<Supaplex>Varanger: drop linux + initrd.gz into /boot, add a boot item for grub, and enjoy. all less than 6MB or so
01:34*Supaplex wonders oph to bursh some toothies
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01:35<Varanger>Supaplex: Thanks, I'll go to sleep now. I hope that will work tomorrow.
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01:36<Supaplex>Varanger: I use a similar approach to install debian on usermode linux machines. :) it's on a different kernel of course, but it beats lugging around a netinst iso
01:36<Varanger>Supaplex: Thanks, see you tomorrow.
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01:38<sergio>need some help
01:38<sergio>any good soul??
01:38<Supaplex>debian help? just ask
01:38<Supaplex>!tell sergio -about ask
01:38<sergio>i have ubuntu...
01:39<sergio>connect my hd media player and nothing shows up//
01:39<sergio>dont show up th edrive..nothing...
01:39<Supaplex>ahh. ubuntu is not debian.
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01:39<Supaplex>so /topic - even if they are less helpfull.
01:39<sergio>how can i get help on ubuntu.
01:40<chealer>imperia: see
01:40<Jflesch>sergio: there is nobody on #ubuntu ?
01:40<vook>sergio: #ubuntu on
01:40<sergio>some people..but in silence etern...
01:41<Supaplex>that or ##linux on
01:41<sergio>thanks for that.
01:41<vook>or #linuxhelp
01:41<sergio>apretiate your links.
01:41<vook>(maybe #linux-help, can't remember)
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01:42<imperia>chealer: i'll take a look... thanks
01:44<imperia>chealer: nice fix.. thanks! :D
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02:52<Aleric>How can I check if there are user or process limits set on memory usage?
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02:54<jm_>ulimit -a
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03:15<UniX>Привет все!
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03:15<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
03:16<UniX>Olny English avaiable?:)
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03:28<coniptor>I'm setting a weird problem with a Seagate 500 Gig pata drive I'm attempting to use to backup my failing primary disk which is a 250 Gig Seagate drive. I create my Linux partition in fdisk or cfdisk and exit and then do a fdisk -l /dev/hdc and the parition id has changed on it's own from 83 linux to bb boot wizard hidden. Head of this before?
03:29<jm_>do you actually tell fdisk to write changes to the disk?
03:30<coniptor>I write them with w and it writes, syncs and exits, and I verify with the fdisk -l /dev/hdc
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03:31<jm_>well id doesn't matter, but it's pretty weird if it does that
03:31<coniptor>just trying to create a gig /boot for any kernels I might compile and play around with and the rest for / with 3 Gig at end for swap. Linux swap retains it's partition id but all 83 type paritions change to bb on recheck
03:32<jm_>did you try to strace fdisk to see what it writes to the disk?
03:33<coniptor>I found this weird error after running e2fsck -ccCy on /dev/hdc1 and got a weird error bout the root inode and the fsck aborted. Googling didn't turn up anything so I tried clearing the paritions and recreating them in cfdisk and that's when this parition id weirdness turned up. wonder if it's a failing drive.
03:34<jm_>naah, if it was a bad sector it couldn't write anything and you'll see an error in the logs - did you check that?
03:34<coniptor>I have not tried that but don't think I could make much out of the output. How exactly would I strace the partion creation when it's interactive? Would I have to craft a command line to create it all non interactively or something?
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03:34<jm_>strace -o str.txt -f -s 2048 fdisk /dev/hdc
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03:43<coniptor>jm_: I imagine it should have exited by now but it has printed out a message concerning the drive being larger than 1024 cylinders and now it's just sitting there. So I just killed it and I'm now vi'ing the file.
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03:46<jm_>coniptor: you didn't get the usual fdisk prompt etc.?
03:47<coniptor>no no prompts no nothing
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03:48<jm_>let me try
03:48<jm_>works just fine for me
03:48<coniptor>It simply prints out the warning message that the drive is larger than 1024 cylinders and never returns to the prompt nor gives me it's own command prompt
03:49<coniptor>it was not echo'ing it's prompt
03:50<jm_>it should behave just as normal even if it's run via strace
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03:52<coniptor>It's not because I use acoc and it causes problems some times
03:52<Paull>n00b here. i need a C++ compiler for Ubuntu. what can you recommend?
03:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
03:52<coniptor>I managed to create a 83 parition covering the drive and exit and then listed it and it is again type bb
03:52<jm_>coniptor: wait, you're not using debian?
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03:53<Paull>nope, as i said <----n00b
03:53<coniptor>jm_: yes I am. Etch. know of a issue related to debian specifically?
03:53<jm_>I didn't ask you - read about ubntu help above
03:54<jm_>coniptor: ahh how are you using acoc?
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03:56<guigz>hello,I'd like to switch from etch to lenny on a imac G4 architecure.
03:56<gsimmons>!tell guigz -about etch->lenny
03:56<guigz>can someone tell me how to do it?
03:56<L0stadm1n>hey everyone i have a small question
03:57<L0stadm1n>see im new to linux. and i downloaded azureus because it was a newer version then the one that came with the linux os i downloaded
03:57<coniptor>I have a path defining a path to a acoc directory listing links to acoc by the name of the command to colorize. I have to specify the direct path to the executables being colorized or remove the link in the path and log out and back in to get around the issue. I run into this bug of acoc's with apt-get as well. Has to do with it using pipes I believe.
03:57<L0stadm1n>i extracted it and i know how to start it
03:57<L0stadm1n>but where can i put it so my wife can use it from her account
03:57<jm_>L0stadm1n: /usr/local/bin
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03:57<L0stadm1n>ahh thanks
03:57<jm_>coniptor: simply run /sbin/fdisk directly
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03:58<L0stadm1n>now if i create a menu on my startbar and link it to azureus. will it be on my wifes menu also or will i have to add it seperately on her account for her?
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03:59<coniptor>jm_: well it was strace being colorized not fdisk but I'm specifying full paths for both now.
04:00<jm_>coniptor: ahh quality
04:00<L0stadm1n>soo jm_ and thanks again now is the /usr/local/bin like C:\program files\ on windows
04:00<L0stadm1n>i think thats the hardest thing to get used to is how it stores filse and where it puts them
04:00<jm_>L0stadm1n: no, it's for stuff that is not packaged by Debian
04:01<L0stadm1n>ahh i see
04:01<L0stadm1n>any website you could point me to that tells me what all the directories are for ?
04:01<L0stadm1n>it would be much appriciated
04:01<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*)
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04:03<jm_>L0stadm1n: ohh and please stop asking yes/no questions
04:04<coniptor>jm_: Ok I have str.txt now and I'm looking at it with vi. How would this help with the bb boot wizard hidden issue?
04:04<L0stadm1n>wow nice page thanks for link
04:05<L0stadm1n>i think i know everything i need to know now =) except how to get debain to use my newly downloaded azureus program to open .torrent files instead of bittorrent but that problem is for another day
04:05<L0stadm1n>thanks again
04:05<jm_>coniptor: paste it on some paste site
04:05<jm_>L0stadm1n: dunno, maybe right click on it if you use kde/gnome
04:06<jm_>otherwise it's done via mime types
04:06<L0stadm1n>k k
04:06*L0stadm1n gives jm_ a big hug
04:06<L0stadm1n>thanks for helping a linux noob free himself from the grasp of microsuck
04:07<jm_>no worries
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04:14<jm_>coniptor: let me try to parse that, it will tkae a while
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04:18<L0stadm1n>sorry im back again
04:19<L0stadm1n>said i dont have permission to write to that folder
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04:20<jm_>you'll have to do it as root
04:20<jm_>and it's a directory, not a folder!
04:20<L0stadm1n>k got it direcotry
04:21<L0stadm1n>err directory
04:21<L0stadm1n>umm soo log off and log on as root??
04:21<jm_>no need to, use su
04:22<L0stadm1n>ohh soo do it from terminal
04:23<L0stadm1n>aww now this is going to piss me off
04:24<L0stadm1n>i know what i made the root password when i installed and its telling me sorry authentication failure
04:24<coniptor>jm_: ok thank you very much. would have responded sooner but pidgin was locking up
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04:36<jm_>coniptor: OK fdisk definitely wrote correct ID
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04:39<cesurasean>this is one mighty big linux room
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04:42<coniptor>jm_: ok
04:42<coniptor>not sure why it's not correct after I check it.
04:42<coniptor>I haven't rebooted so I'll try that.
04:43<coniptor>Could also be my bios ide controller doesn't support a disk that big.
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04:44<jm_>coniptor: Linux doesn't use bios for this
04:44<jm_>coniptor: strange thing is fdisk read all zeros from the disk before you created a new partition
04:45<coniptor>I know only applies to dos. I'm not sure what else to make of it.
04:45<coniptor>another thing
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04:46<jm_>coniptor: nothing in logs?
04:46<coniptor>the first time I created the root the inode table was only around 1500 but it's now 3697. I partioned the same each time
04:46<coniptor>I have the system in single user with just ssh and bind running so I can ssh and copy paste and to remote x with xming.
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04:48<cesurasean>anyone know why I would get k-lined from undernet?
04:48<coniptor>primary master channel hda has been giving smart errors for a couple weeks and the bios forces me to press f1 for it at boot so I'm trying to prep this larger drive as it's replacement so I don't loose my install and work.
04:49<coniptor>jm_: so I don't have much of anyting running to generate any log data. What would you have me look for? Some weird kernel message in /var/log/messages that didn't spit out at the console?
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04:50<jm_>coniptor: just run dmesg
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04:54<coniptor>jm_: I have a load of iptable status messages being genereated by my openvpn windows client I forgot to disable and at the bottom some messages saying hdc: unknown partition table several times then just hdc: then hdc: hdc1 and finally hdc: hdc1 hdc2 hdc3
04:55<jm_>coniptor: unknown was at start when it was empty I guess - what does fdisk read after you create new part. table? compare to what it wrote
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04:59<coniptor>jm_: here is a fdisk -l of hda which is to be replaced by hdc. So I have the existing working parition table on the SMART failing hda and the newly created parition table on the troubled hdc.
05:00<coniptor>jm_: forgot to include the link.
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05:01<jm_>coniptor: ohh I meant verify with strace
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05:02<coniptor>jm_: So instead of executing:
05:02<coniptor>/usr/bin/strace -o str.txt -f -s 2048 /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdc
05:02<coniptor>/usr/bin/strace -o str.txt -f -s 2048 /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hdc
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05:02<coniptor>jm_: sorry
05:02<jm_>coniptor: yeah that's find
05:03<jm_>fine too
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05:05<guigz>Hello,I have problems with etch to lenny update on imac
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05:05<guigz>I changed the depots and made a dist update
05:05<guigz>but It fails
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05:06<guigz>I get broken packets
05:07<UniX>Everybody know how load loopback module interface in Debian? E.g. lo0:0)))
05:08<UniX>I'm Russian:)
05:10<gsimmons>guigz: Please provide the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file and the complete output of your apt-get/aptitude run at a paste site.
05:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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05:13<jm_>coniptor: yeah it reads back some crap
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05:13<UniX>it is for me?
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05:15<coniptor>jm_: heh, which line is it reading the crap back at? Is the partition id really bb instead of 83 or is it just corruption in general? This is a new drive only a couple of months old and only recently pulled out of it's box and used in the last couple of weeks. maybe it's just bad/defective and I can get it replaced under warranty.
05:17<jm_>coniptor: 8840 read(4, "
05:17<coniptor>jm_: If not that then it has to be a bug or issue with my mb/bios. It is pretty old Supermicro P6DBU.
05:17<jm_>coniptor: yes it's bb - that's 5th byte (273)
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05:20<jm_>coniptor: try disablign DMA for the drive and see if that helps - also try to connect it to first interface without current hda disk
05:23<coniptor>jm_: I will try that and see if that helps. Else I'll have to complete the build of my new server and splurge on the memory I need to complete it and try the drive in there before I try and return it as defective. Thanks for your help. Off hand where/how did you learn to read strace output and octal? There any tools your using to translate the read string?
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05:26<jm_>coniptor: strace just shows system calls and their return value - read/write are pretty trivial to interprete (man 2 read). I just learned it by using it often, there's nothing fancy to it. As for octal - I just convert it to hex/dec because I am more familiar with that. About translating it - you just need to know part. layout (446 bytes for boot code, then 4*16 bytes for primary partitions and 2 bytes for boot signature)
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05:26<jm_>hopefully that wasn't too long
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05:29<coniptor>jm_: I understand what strace does system call wise. Just not interpreting reading all it's output. How did you conver the ocatal to hex/dec? As for the partition layout info do you know of a link by chance documenting the parition layout information for reference?
05:29<coniptor>jm_: nope. =)
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05:30<coniptor>hex/dec just loading it in a hex editor or do you have a tool you pass it through at the cli?
05:31<jm_>coniptor: I use bc or calc for conversion. is one example
05:31<jm_>coniptor: no just do it manually for each number (it's trivial to do it with perl too if you want to convert all of them - I didn't need that in this case)
05:32<coniptor>jm_: thank you very much. I"ll have to look at bc and calc and check out that wikipedia entry. you've been very helpful. =)
05:32<coniptor>wiki entry not wikipedia. =)
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05:37<k-man>what do i need to do to make sure the raid456 module is loaded at boot time?
05:38<jm_>k-man: man modules
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05:50<taeschd>k-man: /etc/init.d/ perhaps?
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06:07<pooru>does anyone know how to write to mounted ntfs sucessfully
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06:08<jaakko>wow, Iceweasel (Firefox) installed flash player by itself. Nice improvement.
06:08<avtobiff>you think?
06:09<avtobiff>is that because you have non-free in your repos?
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06:09<jm_>uhm no, it probably puyt it in ~/.../plugins
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06:10<jaakko>avtobiff: yes, I have it..
06:11<padski>pooru, what problem are you experiencing ?
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06:12<jaakko>avtobiff: Thanks for the information. Iceweasel might be a bit more verbal to tell why it couldn't do it earlier. (as there are free alternatives too, Gnash)
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06:13<pooru>padski, I try to cp or rsync to mounted ntfs and it reports permision denied though I have mounted as my own gid uid
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06:15<Superkuh>pooru: Are you using ntfs-3g?
06:16<pooru>not sure what you mean ntfs-3g.
06:16<weasel>google would know
06:16<padski>google sees all
06:17<pooru>okone OS to rule them all ;)
06:17<Superkuh>Well, in fstab, is the drive ntfs or ntfs-3g?
06:17<dpkg>somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at or ask me about <bpo>. Usage examples:
06:19<pooru>mount -type ntfs -o nosuid -o noexec -o posix=1 -o rw -o gid=XXX -o uid=xxx ...
06:20<cesurasean>can you register nick names on this irc?
06:20<jm_>cesurasean: I can yes
06:20<cesurasean>on debian's server?
06:20<cesurasean>how do I register a name?
06:21<jm_>/m nickserv help - this is offtopic here
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06:34<firewallcz>zdravim mel bych dotaz... mohl by mi pls nekdo odpovedet ?
06:34<dpkg>hmm... cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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07:13<Golfgeo>Hi all, got a question: how does one create a kernel headers package?
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07:14<cahoot>like make-kpkg linux-headers
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07:16<kharn>question: anyone ever used a USB-Serial converter successfully? i can see mine with "lsusb" but cant actually access it ..
07:17<Golfgeo>so this would work: make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image linux-headers
07:18<blarson>kharn: yes. It should show up as ttyUSB0
07:19<kharn>blarson: thats what i thought, cant find it though .. tried dmesg | grep tty etc...
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07:19<kharn>however i just found that it may be something in the actual kernal config
07:20<cahoot>Golfgeo: can't see any reason to use an initrd for a custom kernel - but YMMV
07:20<kharn>i'll be damned if i know how to edit that ...
07:20<jm_>make sure it's enabled in your kernel/module loaded
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07:20<jm_>if it's a debian kernel it is enabled
07:20<avtobiff>cahoot, what is initrd for now again?
07:20<kharn>jm_: then it should be
07:20<Golfgeo>cahoot, YMMV?
07:21<avtobiff>Golfgeo, your mileage may vary
07:21<kharn>jm_: how do i edit it/check it
07:21<jm_>grep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL /boot/config-*
07:21<Golfgeo>ah, ic :-)
07:21<jm_>kharn: ^^^^
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07:22<Golfgeo>Oke, I only use the debian source, so it should be enabled :-) I just wish to be able to remove the source after the install without losing my option to add modules...
07:23<Golfgeo>gtg people. thanks for the help :-)
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07:27<kharn>blarson / jm_ : that's all set - i can only see ttyS0 and ttyS1 .. no ttyUSB ... however dmesg shows having seen "usbserial_generic" ... any suggestion from here ...
07:27<jm_>kharn: you probably need to load s pecific module for it
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07:29<kharn>hmmm ... might just try rebooting this box... see if that achieves anything ... wouldn't be the first time ...
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07:31<jake_o>i have a question... is there a way to recover from doing stupid thing like putting "testing" in sources list, and upgrade libc..? It's Sarge on the machine.
07:31<jake_o>the machine is not restarted
07:32<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
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07:32<jake_o>and if apt-get doesn't work? The only option is reinstall?
07:32<jm_>it says to use dpkg, not apt-get
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07:33<jake_o>and if dpkg is screwed also?
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07:34<jm_>it won't screw up, but you'll have to recover manually
07:34<jake_o>ok, i'll try that... thanks.
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07:36<kharn>jm_: no luck (yet) , dmesg is showing it when i connect it ... but it doesn't know what to do with it "usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice"
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07:39<pooru>thanks dpkg and padski, etch backport install of ntfs-3g fixed write to mounted ntfs, note au mirrors of backports fail update.
07:39<dpkg>my pleasure, pooru
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07:42<jm_>kharn: you need to load specific driver for your converter - ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/drivers/usb/serial or so
07:42<jm_>maybe just usb/serial
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07:47<kharn>jm_: you can almost compete with dpkg you were so close "ls /lib/modules//$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/usb/serial"
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08:00<kharn>meh - I give up till tomorrow ... loaded every driver .. no luck ... might just be that the $4 POC i got off ebay aint gunna work :)
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08:04<TIBS01>can someone help me im doing updates to me debian server
08:04<TIBS01>but im getting an error
08:05<TIBS01>E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
08:05<TIBS01>how can i fix that error ?
08:06<TIBS01>E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
08:06<TIBS01>update available list script returned error exit status 1.
08:06<TIBS01>Press <enter> to continue.
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08:06<TIBS01>so how i fix it anyone
08:07<Gekz>sudo mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
08:07<TIBS01>shell1:~# sudo mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
08:07<TIBS01>bash: sudo: command not found
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08:07<TIBS01>shell1:~# whoami
08:08<TIBS01>any other ideas :/
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08:09<TIBS01>shell1:~# mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
08:09<TIBS01>mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/cache/apt/archives/partial': File exists
08:09<TIBS01>im open to suggestions
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08:11<TIBS01>guess no one knows
08:12<Gekz>I do believe you fail
08:12<TIBS01>prob cos no ones ere to help
08:12<TIBS01>there all bone idle
08:13<TIBS01>mmmmm freebsd still updating ports
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08:23<dpkg>java is probably a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
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08:24<marco>hi guys
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08:24<marco_brescia>hi guys
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08:27<JustSoul>How to install java for openoffice?
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08:27<jm_>why does it need java?
08:28<JustSoul>no need
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08:29<jm_>try setting JAVA_HOME
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08:31<JustSoul>jm_: I have a problem switching on "use quick start" option in OOO settings in KDE. OOO starts very slow
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08:31<jm_>JustSoul: buy a faster computer :)
08:32<JustSoul>jm_: =) in MS Windows there is quick start option, and it's work well
08:32<jm_>JustSoul: in ooo?
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08:33<JustSoul>options - memory - quick start
08:34<JustSoul>in KDE it's "gray" - unavaliable
08:35<jm_>Enable systray quickstarter?
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08:35<JustSoul>jm_: yes, i think
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08:36<jm_>JustSoul: hmm I can enable that in icewm
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08:37<finek>how can i connect to irc server by console(no ssh)
08:37<jm_>finek: install a client that only needs tty to work
08:37<JustSoul>finek: irssi
08:38<finek>ok, ty
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08:38<JustSoul>jm_: wait, i'll install icewm..
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08:41<JustSoul>jm_: it is "gray" there
08:41<jm_>JustSoul: are you using testing?
08:41<JustSoul>jm_: I download and install latest 2.3.1 OOO
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08:43<JustSoul>jm_: is it testing?
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08:43<jm_>JustSoul: are you using Debian Etch or Lenny or?
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08:44<JustSoul>jm_: mostly etch, but on my comp I have some updates from lenny
08:44<jm_>JustSoul: it works for me on etch
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08:45<hever>Hi, why is Debian not listed as Free Distribution under ?
08:47<jm_>becsuse it contains non-free and contrib
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08:49<aptituz>jm_: Debian does not include non-free or contrib as part of the distribution. its a additional service on official systems.
08:49<jm_>aptituz: bullshit
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08:50<aptituz>jm_: if you say so.
08:50<Kebianizao|work>I'm using lvm and I wanted to free some space used by the volume group to create a new logical partition on my hard disk. I've resized one of the filesystems inside, resized the logical volumen supporting that file system
08:51<Kebianizao|work>but now I need to resize the volume group, how do I do that?
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08:51<hever>aptituz, I think you're right, but why it's not listed, debian and gnu fsf are working together....
08:52<aptituz>hever: I don't know. Probably because several other people see it the way jm_ see it. Probably because nobody told him that they are wrong.
08:53<jm_>no you are wrong
08:54<hever>hmmm.... debian and gnu are working so long years together and tehy are not listed in their distribution list, thats strange... If they work hand in hand there is no need to tell them hey look at us ....
08:54<aptituz>jm_: you did not provide any rationale and instead told i'm telling "bullshit"
08:54<jm_>aptituz: when was the last time you installed Debian?
08:54<aptituz>jm_: thats not a matter of concern. you will want to look at the social contract
08:55<jm_>aptituz: when have you?
08:55<aptituz>jm_: this outlines pretty well that non-free and contrib is a service, but not part of the Debian system which is officially supported
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08:55<[Kebianizao|work]>would pvresize be enough?
08:56<aptituz>jm_: today. I know you tend to tell me that its so easy to use non-free or contrib and that d-i even asks you if you want to but just because its made easy to the user to use non-free and contrib software does not mean that it is an official part of Debian.
08:56<aptituz>jm_: you are wrong anyways.
08:56<Hideo>ooooh, fight fight fight
08:57<jm_>aptituz: exactly, and the said thing can be downloaded from official Debian mirrors, so no I am not wrong and that's why Stallman is not listing it as free
08:59<aptituz>jm_: this way of seeing things is very limited and plain wrong. but I won't discuss that with you. Read the SC and get an idea.
08:59<jm_>aptituz: your way is limited, mine's way broader
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09:02<skycolor>hello everyone!
09:02<aptituz>jm_: no it isn't. you say that just because someone prepares and hosts non-free packages (but does not provide real support for it) he is getting non-free. I say keeping up the SC and the DFS-guidelines for a 100% free distribution (main!) and additionally providing packages and bandwidth his otherwise free work is getting non-free
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09:02<aptituz>s/his otherwise.*/does't exclude from each other/g
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09:03<skycolor>How can I list the installed package names in debian?
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09:04<jm_>"quit living in dreams" as the song goes
09:04<aptituz>skycolor: dpkg -l
09:04<jm_>!list all packages
09:04<dpkg>To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p"
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09:04<jm_>or was it on dreams
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09:05<aptituz>jm_: blah. get an idea.
09:05<hever>hmmm actually I read a lot about Free software, so I'm very interested. I can understand that GNU is a bit angry if debian provide propritary software on its servers... Is this software really on the official servers ?
09:06<jm_>yes it is
09:06<aptituz>hever: yes it is.
09:07<ranix>What is the date that `uname -a` returns?
09:07<Supaplex>why would they be angry?
09:07<ranix>Mine says something about august 31
09:07<ranix>is that when the kernel was compiled?
09:07<jm_>ranix: when kernel was built
09:07<aptituz>Supaplex: because GNU seem to lack to understand that some people simply require non-free software to exist.
09:07<ranix>ah thanks
09:08<aptituz>its the problem of minds that are _so_ open that get narrowed on beeing open and therefore getting limited in their way of thinking again ;)
09:08<Supaplex>eh yeah. ok
09:09<jm_>yeah funny calling people limited when you're the one who's limited
09:09<hever>I think the GNU people are very strict but I think Debian can be listed there because itself uses the main part and only supports the other non-free software... All other "free" distributions can also be used to use non free software. And there is a big intention to Free software on debian Site so I think I can use debian main wihtout problems (If I'm going to use only free software).
09:09<gsimmons>[Kebianizao|work]: You don't resize volume groups, they're just an administrative unit for the physical and logical volumes. If you've already reduced the size of your logical volume as appropriate, there are now more physical extents available. Just go ahead and create your new logical volume (lvcreate).
09:09<hever>aptituz, thanks for validating the answer ;)
09:10<hever>if two opinions are there it helps if they agree in one point and i can be sure about it... (nothing against jm_ )
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09:10<Hideo>gsimmons: he said he wants to create a logical partition I think, not a logical volume
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09:11<gsimmons>Hideo: I assumed he said "partition" in error. :)
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09:11<LoGiCa>I'm getting this error when trying to run "make menuconfig"
09:11<LoGiCa>debian:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18# make menuconfig
09:11<LoGiCa>line 11: gcc: command not found
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09:11<LoGiCa>line 12: gcc: command not found
09:11<LoGiCa>HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep
09:12<Adriano^>ciao a tutti
09:12<LoGiCa>/bin/sh: gcc: command not found
09:12<LoGiCa>make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 127
09:12<aptituz>hever: its good to understand the logical distinction between Debian as the officially produced and supported distribution (in the sense of releases, security and user support) and its services (in sense of packages, bandwidth via its mirrors)
09:12<LoGiCa>make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2
09:12<Adriano^>auguri passati di buona Pasqua
09:12<jm_>!b-e LoGiCa
09:12<dpkg>LoGiCa: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.
09:12<LoGiCa>ah ok thnx will try that
09:12<Adriano^>ragazzi ho una domanda
09:12<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
09:13<Adriano^>se vado su package di lenny di trovo epiphany-browser
09:13<Adriano^>con queste dipendenze: epiphany-data libasound2 libdirectfb-1.0-0 libmikmod2 libsdl-mixer1.2
09:13<Adriano^> libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsvga1 libsysfs2 libts-0.0-0 libx86-1
09:13<Adriano^> svgalibg1
09:13<Adriano^>se invece faccio apt-get install epiphany-browser mi tira giu mezzo gnome
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09:13<Adriano^>come mai?
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09:14<Supaplex>Adriano^: english only here. you lost us.
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09:14<Adriano^>ah sorry excuse me
09:15<Adriano^>I downloaded epiphany-browser from site
09:15<Adriano^>in the lenny package sections
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09:15<Adriano^>if i try install it width dpkg -i, I see this dipendencies: epiphany-data libasound2 libdirectfb-1.0-0 libmikmod2 libsdl-mixer1.2
09:15<Adriano^> libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsvga1 libsysfs2 libts-0.0-0 libx86-1
09:15<Adriano^> svgalibg1
09:16<Adriano^>but if I put apt-get install epiphany-browser
09:16<Adriano^>apt wants install many gnome-packages
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09:17<Adriano^>mi sources.list is this:
09:17<Adriano^>deb testing main
09:17<Adriano^>deb-src testing main
09:17<Adriano^>deb ./
09:17<Adriano^>deb testing/updates main
09:17<Adriano^>deb-src testing/updates mai
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09:18<adriano>excuse me...
09:18<adriano>I'm flodding for paste sources.list
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09:18<adriano>any1 can help me?
09:20<Supaplex>try the aptitude man page, and review the --without options
09:20<adriano>I have 1 question
09:20<adriano>excuse me
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09:21<skycolor>aptituz: Thank you! it works to list installed packages. I have installed a new debian system, many pakages have been installed, and some of them are removed again by me, but the .deb files of removed packages are still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ , in fact, I want to delete those uninstalled .deb files, but keep the installed .deb files still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ , can I do it?
09:22<hever>aptituz, but if I read the sc and the dfsg they differ from gnu because GNU/GPL is not needed and they really support the usage of non free software... I think the main difference is the missing copyleft...
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09:23<ranix>dpkg, tell adriano about ask
09:23<hever>dpkg ask
09:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:23<ranix>hever wtf
09:24<Supaplex>hever is teh slow :)
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09:24<adriano>I have a problem with debian lenny. When I try to install epiphany-browser with apt-get I see very many dipendencies
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09:24<adriano>but if I download a epiphany-browser package from I see only 6 dipendencies
09:24<Supaplex>adriano: did you try my last suggestion?
09:25<adriano>I don't understand your suggestion
09:25<adriano>sorry I speak bad english I am from Italy :(
09:25<Supaplex>do you know what a man page is?
09:25<adriano>mmm main page?
09:25<adriano>ah ok I understand
09:26<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
09:26<adriano>but you have the same problem like me?
09:26<Supaplex>run man aptitude
09:26<Supaplex>no, but I have an idea what causes it
09:27<Supaplex>read more about the --without options
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09:27<adriano>thank you
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09:29<adriano>can u tell me the cause?
09:29<Supaplex>I'm not doing your homework for you
09:30<Supaplex>technically it's not a 'problem'. it's designed this way
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09:36<Baggy2>when I return -1 in a bin/bash script function, echo $? prints 255. Why is this? all positive numbers works fine
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09:38<amphi>Baggy2: signed/unsigned byte conversion, I presume
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09:38<salvin>Baggy2, the return value is a byte
09:39<salvin>in bash
09:39<Baggy2>salvin: I thought return values in script functions (bash) were integers by default... it it possible to change this?
09:39<amphi>the signed bit representation of -1 is the same as unsigned 255
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09:43<skycolor>What do 'ii' 'rc' 'ry' 'ary' mean after 'dpkg -l' ?
09:43<Baggy2>amphi & salvin: does that mean that the examples on this page,, is in error?
09:44<jm_>skycolor: read the top of the dpkg output to find out
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09:47<skycolor>jm_: Ah, thanks
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09:50<betel>How would one compile and run ZSNES in 64-bit Etch?
09:51<ranix>I suggest that if you need to ask that question you should re-evaluate your decision to use the 64 bit kernel
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09:52<Supaplex>does the tarball have INSTALL or README?
09:52<jm_>that's not using 64bit kernel
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09:55<betel>Supaplex: the assembly parts of zsnes are only 32. INSTALL and README doesn't help
09:55<betel>there is a howto but it only works for lenny/sid, with gcc-multilib
09:57<jm_>it doesn't work with ia32 stuff?
09:57<betel>ranix: I'm too stubborn to go back to 32-bit :)
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09:58<Supaplex>it might work in a chroot
09:58<skycolor>some packages are removed, but they still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ , may I delete them from /var/cache/apt/archives/ by hand safety?
09:59<jm_>skycolor: you have my permission - also man apt-get, read about clean
09:59<jm_>or autoclean even better
09:59<betel>jm_: it deosn't seem to.
10:00<betel>Supaplex: ok. I'll try it.
10:01<jm_>betel: you should probably discuss this with upstream developers then
10:02<betel>jm_: I'm guessing people are aware of the problem, since zsnes is in i386 main but not in 64-bit
10:02<dpkg>Don't assume, just KNOW
10:03<skycolor>jm_: clean or autoclean will delete all or many packages, I only want to delete one or some packages I specified
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10:03<jm_>skycolor: well you have my permission!
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10:04<tapedeck>i'd like to install debian/unstable directly. i tried the lenny beta1 d-i netinst, but it installs debian/etch.
10:04<tapedeck>are there any (unstable) d-i images that allow to install directly from unstable?
10:05<Supaplex>well... maybe, but it's typically install then upgrade
10:05<tapedeck>but at least debian/lenny should be possible to install directly
10:05<Supaplex>try expert mode
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10:06<tapedeck>i did, but it never asked me whether i'd like to install stable or testing (etch or lenny).
10:07<skycolor>jm_: sorry, I'm not good at English, and what does permission mean?
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10:07<Supaplex>tapedeck: #debian-boot should know
10:07<tapedeck>i remember some question in expert mode where i can choose between stable, testing and unstable.
10:07<Supaplex>that's the one
10:07<kremen>when will kde 4 be in lenny/testing ?
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10:08<tapedeck>Supaplex: but that wasn't the lenny beta1 d-i image.
10:08<tapedeck>Supaplex: i believe that it was some daily snapshot image.
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10:08<tapedeck>anyway, will ask on #debian-boot
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10:10<dpkg>rumour has it, upstream is where Debian developers download software from, or
10:11<jm_>skycolor: ignore me, go ahead
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10:12<skycolor>jm_: you say that I can delete some packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ by hand, but it's not an official way?
10:12<jm_>skycolor: something like that yes
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10:16<yet1>hey all
10:16<yet1>i need help for nvidia-installer
10:17<skycolor>thanks jm_, good night everybody
10:17<Supaplex>yet1: the non .deb one?
10:18<Supaplex>!remove nvidia
10:18<dpkg>remove nvidia is, like, as root type "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall"
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10:18<yet1>nvidia driver..
10:18<Supaplex>try asking a NON VAGUE question
10:19<Supaplex>we all fail mind reading school
10:19<yet1>unable to find the development tool gcc ... cc
10:19<yet1>this is my problem
10:19<yet1>but the gcc is installated
10:19<hideo>Supaplex: we are not females, that's why we failed mind reading school :(
10:19<Supaplex>I would avoid the nvidia installer, and use the debian way
10:20<Supaplex>dpkg: frisk hideo
10:20<betel>yet1: I remember that the nvidia installer was vague on what it needed
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10:20<jm_>why are you using nvidia installer anyway?
10:20<hideo>oh yeah
10:20<betel>it complained about gcc when libc6-dev was missing
10:21<yet1>why not? :D
10:21<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
10:21<jm_>that's why
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10:21<Supaplex>because it'll break when your kernel is upgraded
10:21<cusco>yet1: what is wrong with the nvidia installer?
10:21<yet1>now running the dist-upgrade
10:22<cusco>probably it wants the old gcc
10:22<cusco>what was the error msg?
10:22<Supaplex>yet1: sid has 169.09
10:22<cusco>.09 is old
10:22<cusco>.12 is out already
10:22<Supaplex>well no shit
10:22<cusco>yea shit
10:22<Supaplex>do it the nvidia way and quit asking us
10:23<cusco>yet1: what is the error when running the nvidia installer?
10:23<Supaplex>esp when you upgrade your kernel and it drops a load in your lap
10:23<betel>yet1: check for specific filenames in teh output of the installer
10:23<yet1>msg: ERROR: unable to find the developement tools 'cc' ...
10:23<hideo>a warm, stinky, fresh load
10:23<cusco>yet1: install the package build-essential
10:24<amphi>yet1: did you install build-essential?
10:24<Supaplex>but build-essential is oooollld </taunt>
10:25<amphi>Supaplex: ;)
10:25<yet1>libdjvulibre21?? what is it? :D
10:25<amphi>yet1: ask apt-cache
10:26<yet1>i'm from Hungary...
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10:26<cusco>yet1: apt-cache search lib djvu
10:26<yet1>pls talk hungarian
10:26<cusco>yet1: did you install build-essential yet?
10:26*Supaplex is from
10:26<Supaplex>you're in the wrong channel for hungarian
10:27<amphi>ye ghods! I seem to be too
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10:27<Supaplex>amphi: gimmie my back you thief!
10:27<yet1>the hungarian guy's is very stupid
10:28<Supaplex>that's qotd material there yet1 :P
10:28<cahoot>no need stressing the ppoint
10:28*Supaplex wonders oph
10:28<yet1> /var/cache/apt/archives/libdjvulibre21_3.5.20-5_i386.deb
10:28<yet1>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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10:29<hideo>yeah check bug report for that
10:30<yet1>dpkg: hibás feldolgozás: /var/cache/apt/archives/libdjvulibre21_3.5.20-5_i386.deb (--unpack): `/usr/share/djvu/osi/cs/messages.xml' felülírási kísérlete, mely az alábbi csomagban is szerepel: libdjvulibre15
10:30<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, yet1
10:31<amphi>yet1: it's szerepel, apparently ;)
10:31<Supaplex>try LANG=C and whatever command you used. eg LANG=C ls -d .
10:31<ranix>no hungarian, dpkg?
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10:31<dpkg>well, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
10:31<dpkg>well, hungary is a country in central europe, currently at war with romania, or a land of hungry people!
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10:32<yet1>dpkg te hol lax? :D
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10:32<hideo>Why don't the people of Hungary eat the people of Turkey?
10:32<yet1>thx for help
10:32<yet1>i go hungarian channel..
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10:34<yet1>google is my friend
10:34<Supaplex>kerlek mely az magyarul is szerepel beszelsz mely az </gibberish>
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10:35<amphi>I don't think it is szerepel, myself
10:35<yet1>i'm cock
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10:35<amphi>another qotd?
10:36<Supaplex>no, it's the same prepubescent little boy
10:36<ranix>someone let the sophomores out
10:36<Supaplex>supinfo: NAVAR!
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10:41<Kebianizao|work>Hello JohnDoh
10:41<Kebianizao|work>sorry, jojo
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10:42<Kebianizao|work>I'm using lvm and I wanted to free some space used by the volume group to create a new logical partition on my hard disk. I've resized one of the filesystems inside, resized the logical volumen supporting that file system
10:42<Kebianizao|work>but now I need to resize the volume group, how do I do that?
10:42<Kebianizao|work>would pvresize be enough?
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10:43<Supaplex>possibly. I'd poke the lvm2 howto. it covers common senarios
10:44<Kebianizao|work>Supaplex: unfortunately this is not so common, the lv reduction is documented, but not so lucky with the final reduction of the whole vg
10:45<Supaplex>oh vg. humm never resized one of them before
10:45<Kebianizao|work>Supaplex: yes, that's it
10:45<Supaplex>but there are a lot of things I haven't tried that do work. :)
10:46<Kebianizao|work>Supaplex: I would like to avoid spoiling my data, so I want to document before doing anything on it
10:47<Kebianizao|work>I need some spare space to create a new logical partition, so I need to take it out of my lvm partition
10:47<Kebianizao|work>no the vg has that spare size, but I need to free it for the partition, hope had explained
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10:56<gsimmons>Kebianizao|work: You'd need to shrink the PV with pvresize (--setphysicalvolumesize foo), then resize the partition (fdisk, etc) to match. You'd want to have a backup of your data regardless.
10:57<Supaplex>I trust the LVM code more than the operator (usually me) :)
10:58<Kebianizao|work>gsimmons: thanks, that would discard last part of the partition, right? do you think that vg data are grouped on the start of the partition?
10:59<Supaplex>that's best not assumed
10:59<Kebianizao|work>gsimmons: for example: myvg [xxxxx--] where x is used/allocated spaced and - is free space
10:59<Kebianizao|work>Supaplex: that's my doubt, I could just resize the partition, but I don't know where the data would end up
11:00<Supaplex>well, gsimmons did just say how
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11:13<[Kebianizao|work]>my funny ISP is interested in making me potentially loose valuable info, anything new from my last words?
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11:14<Supaplex>13:43 < Supaplex> well, gsimmons did just say how
11:15<[Kebianizao|work]>thanks, ok I'll dare with pvresize
11:15<[Kebianizao|work]>really thanks for the help
11:15<hideo>back up first
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11:16<Kebianizao|work>I'll sound stupid, but I'm so lazy that backup is my real last resort
11:16<Kebianizao|work>but I've been warned, I know
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11:20<Kebianizao|work>I'll go on with the bare /boot partition anyway, taken its space from the lvm partition. But this all came bacause I was unable to make grub use a boot partition inside a lvm, is this possible?
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11:24<Supaplex>Kebianizao|work: afaik grub doesn't speak lvm
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11:27<Kebianizao|work>Supaplex: made me doubt, but I would agree you
11:27<neekofab>boot inside lvm is no-go
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11:28<Kebianizao|work>also that, event that grub supported lvm, yes, I don't think you could place /boot into lvm
11:28<padski>how can I tell if a gateway is detected as dead
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11:28<Supaplex>grub in debian is 0.97-27
11:28<Kebianizao|work>even that wiki article states the contray
11:29<Kebianizao|work>Supaplex: right, I forgot about grub2 vs grub
11:29<neekofab>I use lvm/grub on everything (encluding encrypted root) create a seperate 100M boot partition
11:29<Kebianizao|work>padski: pinging it?
11:30<Kebianizao|work>then I bypassed the major version number, silly me! :/
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11:37<aptituz>hever: a GNU/GPL requirement is not what "free" is about. I don
11:38<aptituz>I don't think the distributions listed their don't have other-licensed software products
11:38<Trouco>Anyone speak german here?
11:38<Trouco>Oh, thanks :)
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11:45<Kebianizao|work>I have the result of the pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 55,19G /dev/sda6
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11:45<Kebianizao|work>-> /dev/sda6: cannot resize to 14128 extents as later ones are allocated.
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11:48<Supaplex>hello what?
11:48<anubis>couldnt see if there was anyone here
11:48<Supaplex>you just assumed nobody is alive
11:48*Kebianizao|work put his zombi mask
11:49<anubis>i guess you guys know your way around debian a little:P?
11:49<Supaplex>and then you'll want to ask if you can get help, or ask if you can ask some question
11:49<anubis>thats what you are here for :D?
11:50<Supaplex>many of us are
11:50<anubis>last resort ofc ive been reading
11:50<anubis>and researching for houres and its not a big problem i think
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11:50<Supaplex>oh okay
11:50<anubis>may i?
11:51<woden>When I reboot the computer, my time is incorrect. How do I make the time correct? I have it set to the correct time in the BIOS, and I have Debian set to the proper time and timezone.
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11:52<Kebianizao|work>woden: you sure of it? dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
11:52<anubis>alrite .. well i just installed the ntfs driver. added a line to fstab .. made a link of it on the desktop ..however when i click my computer on the desktop ..
11:53<woden>Kebianizao|work: Yes because the time is correct on this same computer when I boot Vista on the other partition.
11:53<anubis>there is the old mount point .. with the icon of a hard drive.
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11:53<anubis>i dont want it there :P i want the new proper mount pooint there link on my desktop
11:53<anubis>its some how automounting it still although its not in the fstab.
11:54<anubis>well atempting to automount it.. obviously wrong options selected
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11:54<Kebianizao|work>woden: that Vista thinks it's correct doesn't mean that is actually correct ;)
11:54<woden>Kebianizao|work: I did the dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, it was already set correctly but I did it again.
11:54<woden>Kebianizao|work: Yes but the time/date that Vista displays is the correct time/date. Then when I boot up Debian, it's wrong.
11:54<Supaplex>woden: is your bios set to GMT? if so/not, did you tell linux the value you're really using?
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11:54<Kebianizao|work>woden: ok, just wanted to make sure that was done, what's your actual time and the date you have on Debian?
11:55<woden>Supaplex: I don't know if the bios is set to GMT. What does "set to GMT" mean?
11:56<dpkg>utc is probably Coordinated Universal Time ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d restart
11:56<woden>Kebianizao|work: Well I just changed it manually to the correct time, I don't remember what it was before but it was way off.
11:56<Supaplex>woden: before you fix the clock, how far off is it?
11:56<woden>too late :/
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11:57<Supaplex>1 hour? 4 hours 22 minutes? 27 days? what?
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11:57<woden>It showed the 22nd of March, like around 01:00 and some minutes.
11:58<Supaplex>that's a few days off :P
11:58<dpkg>from memory, time is found on, or 2008.03.25 15:58:48, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!
11:58<woden>Yes. Also when Debian boots I get an error that says it was unable to set the System Clock.
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11:59<Supaplex>that should be in dmesg
11:59<woden>Actually, the current date/time where I live is 25MAR2008, 17:00
12:00<Supaplex>the bot is using UTC :)
12:01<woden>Supaplex: I don't see the message in dmesg...
12:01<woden>It's like "Unable to set System Clock" or something similar. But it's not in dmesg.
12:01<hideo>is the bot's time always correct, it's off by 20 secs from what I have and I use ntp
12:02<Supaplex>there's someother way to catch that. I don't recall right now
12:02<Supaplex>20s for a bot is no big deal
12:02<Supaplex>blame netlag ;)
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12:03<hideo>I blame wifi
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12:03<woden>So what do you mean "is my bios set to gmt"? I don't understand what that question means.
12:03<hideo>damn you gatech wireless network :P
12:03<dpkg>[utc] Coordinated Universal Time ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d restart
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12:03<woden>Yes I read that
12:03<hideo>woden: the time in the bios can be set to gmt or local
12:03<woden>But are you asking me if my BIOS is set to GMT+0 ?
12:04<Supaplex>that's right
12:04<hideo>linux prefers gmt, windose prefers local I think
12:04<Supaplex>most people have it set to local time
12:04<woden>You mean by local, like GMT+n
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12:04<Supaplex>linux perfers an admin that knows their stuff
12:04<woden>okay now I understand
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12:04<woden>so I should set my BIOS to gmt+0?
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12:05<dooder>hi, did somebody compile rtai under debian and got a Module.symvers error after doing make? is there a solution for it?
12:05<Supaplex>woden: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS
12:05<Kebianizao|work>woden: I always use UTC (gmt) on my bios clock, but if you use windows he won't like that
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12:05<Supaplex>dooder: anything in bts?
12:05<Supaplex>!pal knoppix_
12:05*dpkg points at knoppix_ and laughs hysterically
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12:05<dooder>Supaplex: what does bts mean?
12:06<hideo>dpkg's a bully
12:06<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
12:06<anubis>ok let me put my question simpler.. How do i make a link to a hardrive..
12:06<Supaplex>hideo: the fella was more sensitive than I expected. :)
12:06<anubis>an icon
12:06<woden>Supaplex: UTC=no
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12:06<dooder>Supaplex, oh, forgot about that, but no actually
12:06<Kebianizao|work>anubis: it depends on your desktop environment (DE)
12:07<anubis>its got like a icon link like that that i want to remove..
12:07<Supaplex>dooder: so it fails to build from apt-get source?
12:07<anubis>and replace with a new one
12:07<woden>Supaplex: Is UTC=no what I want?
12:08<Supaplex>woden: yes
12:08<Supaplex>woden: run invoke-rc.d restart and post it to
12:08<anubis>Kebianizao|work, :D?
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12:09<dooder>Supaplex: i downloaded rtai-3.6-test3 from the rtai website and patched a clean 2.6.22 kernel, compiled it, did a make menuconfig in rtai directory and make finally. it complains about Module.symvers not being present but it remnamed it to __Module.symvers...
12:09<Kebianizao|work>anubis: I don't use gnome, don't really know. But I have the impression you are misleaded somehow, you can't create a link to a hard drive, but a link to the file representing the HD, which I don't think would be very useful for you
12:10<Supaplex>dooder: oohhh okay. if it's not a debian package, it's rare for bts to have anything on it. sorry I misunderstood :)
12:10<Kebianizao|work>dooder: even there could be someone that could answer that question and solve your problem, mind this is not rtai support channel
12:10<anubis>Kebianizao|work, i think thats what what it has done : type: desktop configuration file , location : computer:/// MIME type: application/x-desktop
12:10<Kebianizao|work>dooder: BTW, I would advice you to use a newer kernel, maybe
12:11<dooder>Is there a support channel and where??
12:11<Kebianizao|work>dooder: look in the rtai web or #kernel or #kernelnewbies maybe
12:11<anubis>Kebianizao|work, thats the information i get when i right click the link or what ever it is.
12:11<Supaplex>dooder: ##linux on freenode
12:11<dooder>Kebianizao|work: yeah, but therefore there is no rtai patch available
12:11<hideo>damn .4 is out already?
12:11<Kebianizao|work>anubis: sorry, too much gnomie ;)
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12:12<anubis>Kebianizao|work, k no worries
12:12<Kebianizao|work>dooder: BTWm you could also try with the rtai-source package
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12:12<Kebianizao|work>anubis: feel free to ask me when you move to kde ;)
12:12<dooder>Kebianizao|work: i did :)
12:13<woden>Supaplex: Saving the system clock.
12:13<woden>select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
12:13<anubis>Kebianizao|work, will do but i doubt that will happen i like gnome to much lol
12:14<Supaplex>woden: is /dev/rtc there? What type of system is this? this looks suspect for a misconfigured real time clock (eg, driver)
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12:15<hideo>woden: add HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa" to your /etc/default/rcS
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12:15<Supaplex>hideo: cool. how do you figure? :)
12:15<hideo>had the same problem on my laptop :P
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12:16<woden>Supaplex: ls -l /dev/rtc
12:16<woden>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 10, 135 2008-03-20 19:31 /dev/rtc
12:17<woden>Supaplex: This is a Debian Lenny system with unstable nvidia drivers.
12:17<Supaplex>ok, same here woden .
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12:18<hideo>that's ... odd
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12:18<Supaplex>woden: is /usr part of /, or is it its own mountpoint?
12:18<Supaplex>!+listvals /etc/default/rcS
12:18<dpkg>Factoid search of '/etc/default/rcS' by value (4): set time ;; utc ;; tz ;; setting time.
12:19<Supaplex>woden: feel free to /query dpkg on those.
12:19<woden>Supaplex: /usr is part of /
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12:20<Supaplex>woden: try hideo's suggestion and restart again
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12:21<woden>Supaplex: It just said "Saving the system clock." this time, no error message.
12:22<woden>What does that HWCLOCKPARS="directisa" do?
12:22<Supaplex>sweet. ^5's to hideo
12:22<hideo>woden: type man hwclock
12:22<hideo>look for directisa
12:22<Supaplex>woden: I think you need to !beer hideo :)
12:23<hideo>no, I love beer, but I gotta stay conscious to study :P
12:23<woden>!beer hideo
12:23*dpkg pulls out a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for hideo
12:23<hideo>cheers :P
12:24<woden>hideo: What's directisa?
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12:24<Supaplex>as net beer goes, it's kinda flat
12:24<Supaplex>woden: pfm
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12:25<woden>I'm looking on google, don't see anything on directisa.
12:25<woden>What's pfm?
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12:25<hideo>woden: man hwclock
12:25<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pfm is Pure Fucking Magic
12:25<woden>hideo;Supaplex: But I'm not on an ISA motherboard is an Asus P5B-Deluxe.
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12:26<Supaplex>yes, but it's backwards compatible even tot he 8088
12:26<hideo>woden: mine isn't an ISA either, so it's pfm
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12:27<woden>I don't like anything about it, other than the fact that it works on my particular system.
12:27<woden>For instance, should directisa be the default for debian installs? Is there any way to scan the hardware environment to determine whether a system needs directisa?
12:28<Supaplex>if you really want to know, chase down the patches that made that bugfix
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12:29<woden>Is there any way to make Vista use the clock in a way that is compatible with Debian and my BIOS setup?
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12:29<Supaplex>well, how's your clock now?
12:29<Supaplex>maybe we just fixed it...
12:29<hideo>woden: should be fine now
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12:30<woden>okay thanks
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12:30<Supaplex>or maybe we didn't. heh
12:30<hideo>!beer everyone
12:30*dpkg pulls out an excellent Gulden Drak for everyone
12:31*Kebianizao|work can't help drinking so good beer
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12:32<EmleyMoor>How do I find ALSA device specs for use with mpg321?
12:33<Kebianizao|work>EmleyMoor: what specs do you need?
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12:33<hideo>woden: no workie?
12:33<EmleyMoor>number:number - how to find them for my various sound devices
12:34<woden>hideo: I set my bios to GMT (16:34), now when I boot Debian it shows 16:34.
12:34<woden>hideo: But I didn't get those error messages during boot anymore.
12:34<hideo>no, now you should set your bios time to local
12:34<Supaplex>uh we didn't tell you to chagne the bios time. we only asked what it was set to
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12:34<ranix>date -s
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12:34<woden>Okay, got it. I'll go back and change it to local time.
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12:34<Supaplex>[bang head here
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12:35<ranix>I raged
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12:35<EmleyMoor>I am just off out for a new headset as it happens
12:35<woden>But isn't the ideal setup a BIOS set to GMT and your OS adjusting time zone?
12:36<Kebianizao|work>EmleyMoor: cat /proc/asound/card
12:36<Kebianizao|work>is that what you need?
12:36<Supaplex>woden: not for billyOS
12:36<hideo>preferably, but apparently Windows doesn't like it
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12:37<EmleyMoor>Kebianizao|work: No - that's not in number:number format
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12:37<Kebianizao|work>EmleyMoor: and what's that format? pci id?
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12:38<EmleyMoor>I quote: For -o alsa, specify card:device; defaults to 0:0.
12:39<hever>Is there a good study that compares linux and bsd ?
12:39<ranix>hever: no. That would be penis-waving nonsense, not a study
12:39<Kebianizao|work>hever: good for who? linux guys or bds guys?
12:40<Supaplex>hever: dpkg has one
12:40<Supaplex>!start an os war
12:40<dpkg>MVS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks!
12:40<EmleyMoor>MVS is a silly old woman <g>
12:41<ranix>windows has photoshop, but AmigaDOS has Disney Animation Studio
12:41<ranix>the choice is clear
12:41<Kebianizao|work>EmleyMoor: usually first number is card number which is listed on /proc/asound/cards, the 2nd is the card channel
12:41<hideo>disney animation studio?
12:41*Supaplex <3's GIMP
12:42*hideo <3's octave
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12:42<EmleyMoor>Kebianizao|work: How do I identify the card channels?
12:42<hideo>another beer, my good chump?
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12:43<dpkg>rumour has it, c8h10n4o2 is caffeine
12:43<hever>ranix, At the moment I think you're talking nonsense...
12:44<craigevil>did someone say caffeine?
12:44<hideo>heh no alcohol
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12:44<hever>Good for somebody how wan't to know more about this. I mean bsd and linux kernels.... not whole systems...
12:44<hever>I'm sorry I meant the kernels...
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12:45<Kebianizao|work>EmleyMoor: and
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12:45<Kebianizao|work>EmleyMoor: try with that
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12:46<donfede>hello ... when I have an app that crashes ... sometimes i get "core" files ... other times I get "core.$PID" (ex: core.1234) files ... what determines / flips that behaviour?
12:47<hever>You can read a lot about linux, hurd and minix, but I found no scientific comparsions or scientific documents about speed, security, stability or main architecture and a look into the future...
12:47<dpkg>from memory, kbsd is shorthand for debian's gnu userland under a FreeBSD kernel. See #gnu-kbsd
12:47<Supaplex>or have both. ;)
12:47<ranix>hever: you can read a lot about minix and hurd?
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12:48<hever>Tanenbaum wrote a book. But he devloped minix so he's perhaps not 100% free in his mind...
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12:48<woden>What happened to the "Games" sub-menu under the Applications menu?
12:48<Golfgeo>Hi all, just wanted to let you guy's know that appending "linux_headers" to the kernel compile routine worked out great :-)
12:49<hideo>I love that padski_
12:50<padski_>hideo, I laughed :-)
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12:50<Supaplex>padski_: awesome
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12:51<hideo>heh, IT and ctrl alt del goes in a circle
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12:52<hever>Some guys are developing hurd kernel for debian and port the packages... But why should I use hurd or why should I use linux or why bsd ? I don't belive that there is no study about this....
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12:52<hever>Or when...
12:53<Supaplex>there's no need for a study. it's "use what works"
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12:53<Supaplex>if you want white papers to wipe your butt with, instead of real world know how, google will do.
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12:55<hever>for example a master thesis about this would be based on real world know how...
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12:56<hever>it could include empiric data and theroetical suggestions...
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12:59<Kebianizao|work>hever: provided the rage of ppl in this world, I doubt there could be such an objective position without anyone blaming it of biases or lacking of tests
12:59<Kebianizao|work>BTW, those are good for a magazine
13:00<Kebianizao|work>well, that is IMHO
13:00*Supaplex tew
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13:01<padski_>hever, what problem are you looking to solve ?
13:02<Supaplex>fewer than he makes for himself :-D
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13:05<hever>I gonna know more about the structure/architecture of linux, hurd, bsd kernel. So that I can decide what I'm going to run under different demands. And I'm going to know what I say if I talking with somebody about this things. The most people are choosing a kernel based on half knowledge or no base...
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13:06<hever>And don't know really what it means...
13:06<Kebianizao|work>hever: most ppl choose linux generally, or freebsd for secure servers
13:06<Kebianizao|work>linux has very good HW support
13:06<padski_>hever, how do you come to an opinion about what most people are doing ?
13:06<Kebianizao|work>the best if HW manufacturers coped
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13:07<Kebianizao|work>hever: so ppl choose the default options mostly which is linux for most 8if not all distros)
13:07-!-You're now known as mikegrb
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13:08<hever>Yes I think openbsd for example is a good choose for a server, but only why I know how they are developing and what all they are doing for security. This is for me not a kernel based decision... BSD or openbsd in this case is a good derivate...
13:08<dpkg>well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
13:08<hever>padski_, the most I talk to ;)
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13:09<plm156>i did dist-upgrade on a sid system , /etc/fstab and menu.lst appear sane, during boot first error message "/init: line 11: mount : not found". i think the initrd cannot find the /dev/hda (ide) . both the old and new kernel stuck. after the first message a lot complaints about missing files, system stops at (initramfs) shell
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13:10<shivraj>how do I get rid of ati drivers that I installed ?
13:10<maks>plm156: known, busybox trouble
13:10<hever>Why should I use the linux kernel instead of a bsd kernel is a question ?
13:10<plm156>maks, please any link ?
13:10<shivraj>hever ? are you nuts ? use linux
13:10<hever>For example netbsd has the best hardware support afaik...
13:10<maks>downgrade busybox or use BUSYBOX=n if your root is a plain old dev
13:11<maks>plm156: discussions on #d-kernel
13:11<hever>shivraj, and why ?
13:11<padski_>hever, in the context of debian the answer is because linux is the default. choose bsd if you know that is what you want.
13:11<shivraj>hever : good luck with getting software for freebsd ....
13:11<maks>plm156: check out you should have .bak initrd files to boot
13:12<maks>otherwise use or any other boot cd to repair
13:12<shivraj>hever : use it if you want, ......
13:12<padski_>hever, this all sounds a bit off-topic for this channel
13:12<maks>hever: why would you want bsd on debian?
13:12<Kebianizao|work>hever: also feel free to start a rationale on Debian wiki
13:12<plm156>maks, yes will try
13:12<dpkg>[ot] Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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13:12<Supaplex>I agree :)
13:13<maks>plm156: use grub auto completition
13:13<plm156>maks, where the busybox=n argunebt goes at grub boot menu ?
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13:13<maks>plm156: no in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
13:14<padski_>maks, there are lots of reasons to want alternative implementations.
13:14<maks>it's a setting for building initramfs
13:14<Kebianizao|work>c u guys
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13:14<hever>so if you read what I wrote you know now what I mean. You tell me I should use linux (because it's default, good answer!) or bsd if I know if I want it but how can I find out if I want it ?
13:14<maks>padski_: none i'd care a cent about.
13:14<padski_>maks, vi or emacs ?
13:15<maks>padski_: you seem to miss the license point
13:15<hever>padski_, I think its a good place to diskuss this here because debian supports also hurd or netbsd... and the question is. How can I find out what I want or need....
13:15<craigevil>hever: try using GOOGLE
13:15<Supaplex>!tell hever -about why debian
13:16<plm156>maks, if i am in chroot form live cd can i rebuild initrd safely ?
13:16<maks>plm156: sure
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13:17<plm156>maks, :) with command ?
13:17<maks>plm156: what is your root, you didn't respond to my question?
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13:17<maks>if you use something funky like luks lvm or whatever you need busybox in initramfs
13:17<hever>I know why I'm going to use debian but I'm not sure in the kernel.....
13:18<plm156>maks, sorry did not see it, my client is ugly
13:18<shivraj>hever : apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade ... why in thte world will you use freebsd
13:18<hever> compares bsd and linux by benchmarking them
13:18<maks>plm156: and what's the answer?
13:18<Supaplex>hever: the linux kernel is the most stable with debian. our other ports are gaining ground, and are fun to play with too.
13:18<plm156>maks, plain ext3 on ata
13:18<shivraj>wake up to new updates everday
13:18<plm156>single / partition
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13:19<maks>ok so you can just turn of with BUSYBOX=n in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
13:19<hever>shivraj, afaik this has nothing to do with the kernel... or is the debian package system not available under Debian/netbsd ?
13:19<maks>plm156: and then update-initramfs -u -k <kernelversion>
13:19<padski_>maks, what license point ?
13:19<maks>where kernelversion would be an uname -a
13:19<maks>padski_: working for $corporation thanks to BSD license
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13:20<maks>and they not having to give back anything
13:20<plm156>maks, uname -a now give the vrsion of the live rescue cd
13:20<maks>sorry an uname -r
13:20<plm156>maks, 2.6.24-1 ?
13:20<maks>see your /boot 2.6.25-rc6-amd64
13:20<maks>for example
13:21<hever>Supaplex, and what is if in the future hurd and bsd are also well and stable implemented?
13:21<maks>hever: dream on
13:21<padski_>maks, that is orthogonal to the point about the value of multiple implementations, and your personal preference: debian accepts (sensible) bsd licenses as free.
13:21<plm156>maks, the question is should i use the kernel now running from the live cd or the one on /dev/hda1 which is 2.6.24-1 ?
13:21<Supaplex>hever: whattttt IF
13:22<craigevil>what if the earth is flat?
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13:22<Supaplex>hever: then make the decesion THEN. as for NOW decide on what's here now.
13:22<maks>padski_: sure i never questioned that they are free
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13:22<Supaplex>craigevil: seems hilly and bumpy to me
13:22<elwood>hi all
13:22<maks>plm156: ls /var/lib/initramfs-tools/
13:22<hever>Supaplex, What will be the default kernel and what is then the base on that I can decide what kernel I should use. Then all are ready...
13:23<elwood>i have just installed a lenny, how to get the 2.6.24 kernel?
13:23<maks>elwood: add sid sources
13:23<Supaplex>hever: did you overdose on DHMO lately?
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13:23<maks>elwood: and don't forget to pin testing
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13:23<maks>elwood: do you know apt pinning?
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13:23<elwood>maks, in sources.list? " to pin" ?
13:23<elwood>maks, no i don't
13:23<maks>elwood: yes to first
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13:24<gfoster>wset status_format3 %-
13:24<elwood>maks, there is link to a wiki?
13:24<hever>Supaplex, Its also interesting why there is a need to bring bsd or hurd into debian.... There must be some advantages on this systems... If not ther is no need to provide them...
13:24<maks>elwood: see
13:24<plm156>maks, 2.6.18-4-686 2.6.24-1-686 (inside the chroot)
13:24<maks>plm156: so easy going update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.24-1-686
13:24<plm156>maks, ok
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13:25<elwood>maks, so it will preferre the sid repository for the supplied package instead of lenny, right?
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13:25<maks>elwood: no you can keep both and will prefer testing
13:25<elwood>maks, ok thanks
13:25<maks>you have to manualy tell apt-get to use unstable
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13:25<plm156>maks, i have also KEYMAP=n is that ok , it asled me during dist-upgrade..
13:25<elwood>maks, and how?
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13:26<maks>elwood: apt-get install -t unstable linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64
13:26<elwood>maks, well, thanks
13:26<maks>plm156: yes KEYMAP is only need for cryptoroot pwd
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13:27<maks>padski_: the point is about better technology not choice :) it not a vi contra emacs question
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13:32<kutio>Hello world
13:32<plm156>maks, worked, thank you very, very much . it was my main system..
13:32<maks>plm156: cool
13:32<kutio>when i try to reboot my debian , i have this error : " fix recursive fault , you need to reboot"
13:32<kutio>how can I do?
13:33<maks>at what state kutio ?
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13:33<kutio>When I reboot my computer
13:34<kutio>X switch off
13:34<kutio>but i have this error
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13:44<elwood>maks, well, thanks
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13:44<maks>elwood: and uname -a ? :)
13:45<elwood>maks Linux Chicago 2.6.24-3-686
13:46<maks>cool, either this one lands in testing soonest or 2.6.25-5 with gets uploaded
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13:47<elwood>maks, by the way i need another fresh install on the right partition now that i know the wiki will works :(
13:48<elwood>maks, i suppose i cannot compy from hda8 to hda2 without breaking all the sysetm
13:48<Hideo>wow nasty busybox bug in sid,
13:48<Supaplex>and you get to keep the pieces ;)
13:48<maks>Hideo: yep downgrade
13:49<Hideo>I'm lucky I didn't delete my backedup initrd otherwise I wouldn't be able to boot up my encrypted drive
13:49<Hideo>maks: just did
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13:49<maks>Hideo: don't run sid if you don't know how to fix it ;)
13:50<Hideo>well, I'm here aren't I :)
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13:50<maks>elwood: yes you can copy you have to adjust fstab and grub.conf
13:51<Supaplex>!noob chant
13:51<dpkg>who let the noobs out? who - who - who - who - who who?
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13:51<elwood>maks, cp or rsync? cp --preserve=all should be good
13:51<elwood>i suppose
13:52<maks>elwood: i do cd / ; find -xdev | cpio -pm /mnt/wha
13:53<maks>but that maybe a bit oldstylish
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13:53<elwood>maks, it preserve all the links and attributes?
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13:55<GhostlyDeath>Plain GTK > *
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13:57<jguthrie>I am having a problem with my gnome sessions. They keyboard doesn't work. The mouse does and the keyboard works during non-gnome sessions. Any ideas?
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14:20<neekofab>Anyone know if there's a way to add a route in the interface stanza in "/etc/network/interfaces"?
14:21<cyborg>somebody know where i find the hungarian debian irc?
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14:21<cyborg>vagy van itt magyar? :)
14:21<dpkg>i guess hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
14:22<Engywuck>hey, i can magyar :)
14:22<jguthrie>neekofab: Yes. You can add routes manually.
14:22<cyborg>this server?
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14:23<cyborg>nincsen ilyen /OFTC/-röl vagyok
14:23<jguthrie>neekofab: You do it with "up ip route add <route to add>"
14:23<neekofab>jguthrie dank, but manual=human involvement. uncool for power-outages etc. rc.local is not integrated with networking scripts
14:23<Supaplex>neekofab: post-up works for me. (dhcp+weirdo network tests)
14:23<jguthrie>neekofab: Huh?
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14:24<jguthrie>I answered your question about how to put a route in your /etc/network/interfaces file.
14:24<jguthrie>I didn't tell you how to set one up manually!
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14:25<neekofab>jguthrie ah, I see my mistake. you mean put "cmd foo" in the stanza.
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14:25<jguthrie>You can put arbitrary commands in your stanzas by prefixing them with "up" or "down"
14:26<jguthrie>Very useful for things like this.
14:26<imperia>how can i measure ethernet network performance between linux and windows?
14:27<neekofab>jguthrie "post-up route foo" would be better than just "up route foo"?
14:27<jguthrie>could be
14:27<jguthrie>I haven't needed anything like that for a while.
14:28<jguthrie>You definitely don't want to try to set a route until the interface is up.
14:28<neekofab>jguthrie Ok. thanks. looks like post-up and pre-up just deal with failure. hard to tell for sure from the man page
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14:30<neekofab>Supaplex dank, going to try it with just up instead of post-up and see what happens
14:31<Supaplex>my post-up is a touch redundant now that the same router is also the default route :P
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14:32<Supaplex>Hideo: did you avoid the dog mines on the lawn?
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14:33<Hideo>dog mines on the lawn? What are you saying man
14:33<Supaplex>Hideo: your hostname says lawn-....lawn.... :)
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14:33<Supaplex>dog mine = poop
14:33<usuario>quien eres
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14:34<dk4nno>tengo un problema con una TOSHIBA PORTAGE
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14:34<Hideo>English please
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14:34<usuario>niño o niña
14:34<dk4nno>Hideo, i have a problem with my laptop
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14:35<Supaplex>dk4nno: what kind of problem?
14:35<Hideo>do tell...
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14:35<dk4nno>Hideo, i have a TOSHIBA PORTAGE and i dont remember the BIOS pass
14:35<usuario>mou yxnr eh4ddd4d ddd de
14:35<usuario>mdf jukdjn dj jr f4frg
14:35<Supaplex>dk4nno: that's not a debian issue. search google for ways to reset that
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14:36<Supaplex>usuario: do you have a debian question?
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14:36<usuario>nvfjjjfr fffrcjfuddweudyrfffrfhnrf fvrhnrhfhrnfbf tfkfmfrcfmvjrjiurrfe ff r frfrjfjfftf5tyufr039r4if5it5tjti5u5htut5uytjtu5
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14:36<Supaplex>okay, /ignore it is
14:36<usuario>lkjcfjcrf ffeurfheif43s3ws3wé4ofr vjtugurgut5jytffkhcrc fehfecnejcex e vjvjf
14:36<craigevil>!ops usuario spam
14:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: usuario spam
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14:38<weasel>ah. I should remember not to do that
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14:38<weasel>some clients are broken, like mafflix's
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14:38<weasel>or dwatson's.
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14:39<Hideo>What do you mean broken? They just enter random crap in.
14:39<Supaplex>I must have them on ignore too. what happened? :P
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14:40<Hideo>hi there
14:40<Homere>do you know if PHP4 will be present in Lenny ?
14:41<Homere>the package is in [security]
14:41<libervisco>sup AndrewB :P
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14:41<seanius`>Homere: it will not
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14:42<Homere>seanius`: what does it mean for a package to be in [security] of lenny ?
14:42<Hideo>Supaplex: nothing, was just asking what weasel meant.
14:42<Homere>6:4.4.4-9+lenny1 [security]: amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
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14:43<weasel>Hideo: note how the clients disconnect on the channel mode change.
14:43<weasel>Hideo: they crash.
14:43<Supaplex>ahh yes.
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14:43<seanius`>Homere: there was probably a security upload to testing at some point due to blockage in unstable
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14:43*Supaplex pats irssi
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14:43<Homere>seanius`: ok, thanks
14:44<Hideo>weasel: haha that's a weird bug
14:44<elwood>maks, i am toni, can you tell me again the magic command to mv the system?
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14:44<Homere>switching 4000 websites to PHP5 will be fun :(
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14:46<seanius`>Homere: i'd recommend doing it sooner rather than later, as 5.3 is coming out soon and will make life even more fun
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14:46<Homere>seanius`: today myissue is MySQL 4.1 -> 5.0 migration
14:46<Supaplex>perl ftw! ;)
14:46<Homere>because Sarge support will end next week
14:47<seanius`>you just have all kinds of fun things to do don't you
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14:47<Homere>seanius`: Ubuntu's LTS sever security support is 7 years, Debian is 4 years
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14:49<Hideo>Supaplex: you sound like Dick Cheney :P
14:51<Supaplex>do you want three more years of support? are you whining because debian is only 4 years?
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14:52<Homere>Supaplex: yes, it's bad
14:52<Engywuck>i want 15 years of suupport
14:53<valdyn>etch support already was extended so uh
14:53<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
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14:53<Engywuck>and Debian is not 4 years support after release
14:53<valdyn>err, sarge
14:53<Engywuck>if releases come sonner nowadays
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14:53<dpkg>it has been said that sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: Security support for Sarge finishes on March 31 2008 ( Ask me about <sarge->etch>.
14:53<EmleyMoor>How do I use mpg321 to play a file over my new headset, currently shown as 2 in /proc/
14:53<Homere>Debian is for servers (who wants it on desktop ??), it should be supported 5 years
14:54<Engywuck>lenny was promised for end of 2008, if I read correctly (partial freeze was done already)
14:54<Engywuck>and Debian only supports start of new stable+1year
14:54<valdyn>planned, not promised, it will be later
14:54<Hideo>sid will never be phased out :P
14:54<Engywuck>anyway, if the releases come sooner now perhaps start of new stable+2-3 years would be better
14:55<seanius`>yes, let's all play armchair release managers
14:55<valdyn>its more about developer motivation than intention
14:55<valdyn>( if there was someone sponsoring support im sure that would be easy to extend support times infinitely
14:56<EmleyMoor>Any clues on how to play an MP3 over my new headset? I gather I need to do mpg321 -a 2:something...
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14:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: hw:2,0 ?
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14:57<valdyn>mm, really its 2:0
14:58<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you might have to specify -o alsa too
14:58<Engywuck>aplay -l should list all devices
14:58<EmleyMoor>2:0 doesn't work - tells me Can't open libao driver with device 2 (is device in use?)
14:58<valdyn>EmleyMoor: your ao might just not use alsa by default
14:58<valdyn>EmleyMoor: that is configured in /etc/libao.conf
14:58<EmleyMoor>Even with -o alsa?
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15:04<EmleyMoor>Any more clues? This is driving me baty
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15:05<Supaplex>try strace -e open to see what device is in use, and then lsof /device/path
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15:05<Homere>is lenny package list freezed
15:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: which audio devices do you really have?
15:05<maks>elwood: please use irc logs or google
15:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: 3?
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15:06<valdyn>s/which/how many/
15:06<EmleyMoor>Actually when working properly, 4
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15:06<alfred_>hallo an alle
15:06<EmleyMoor>2x PCI sound cards, 1x BTTV and 1x USB
15:06<valdyn>EmleyMoor: and you configured that 2 is the usb headset?
15:06<valdyn>EmleyMoor: and you confirmed that 2 is the usb headset?
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15:07<EmleyMoor>valdyn: It is always either 2 or 3 and I have confirmed which it is in this case
15:07<valdyn>EmleyMoor: ok
15:07<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its /dev/dspX too i guess
15:07<EmleyMoor>pcm.c says it's an unknown PCM
15:07<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i cant tell you which dspX
15:07<valdyn>EmleyMoor: see "fuser /dev/dsp*"
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15:08<EmleyMoor>It's /dev/dsp3 when it's card 3 - I know that much
15:08<EmleyMoor>Why do I have to use OSS for it though?
15:08<valdyn>EmleyMoor: oh, you shouldnt use OSS, but you might be using it
15:09<valdyn>EmleyMoor: which is why you need to check if you are, see fuser ..
15:09<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I am only using it because I can't get this headset (nor either of the two I had before) to work with mpg321 in ALSA
15:10<EmleyMoor>Things like ekiga can access them with ALSA, though
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15:11<EmleyMoor>So, how do I make mpg321 let me use alsa with it?
15:11<valdyn>EmleyMoor: your 2,0 is in use
15:11<valdyn>EmleyMoor: im just trying to figure out what is using it
15:12<EmleyMoor>How do I find out/disuse it?
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15:12<adriano>hi to all
15:13<adriano>can you tell me one fast player gkt on openbox?
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15:14<Supaplex>what kind of player?
15:14<adriano>media player
15:14<valdyn>EmleyMoor: hmm, im finding that mpg321 is just broken somehow
15:14<adriano>or only music player
15:15<EmleyMoor>Ah, fair enough
15:15<Supaplex>xmms2, mplayer, there are lots that are plenty fast
15:15<Supaplex>!tell adriano -about search
15:15<EmleyMoor>valdyn: OK, is there something I could use to play, say, a .wav over it?
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15:15<adriano>xmms2 doesn't work for me...
15:16<adriano>I try open .mp3 files with xmms2 on pcmafm
15:16<adriano>but It doesn't work
15:16<adriano>yes the file browser
15:16<adriano>I click width right on .mp3 file
15:16<adriano>and set for open mp3 with xmms2
15:17<adriano>but it doesnt work
15:17<EmleyMoor>Ah, great
15:17<Supaplex>did xmms2 even launch to add that to the list?
15:17<EmleyMoor>Good job I'm such a fan of "Farmhouse Kitchen"!
15:17<adriano>I don't see xmms2 in the list
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15:17<adriano>then I add "command"
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15:18<EmleyMoor>At least this headset came with a little USB sound card I can keep and use even when the headset wears out
15:18<Supaplex>xmms2 has various command line switches to do certian operations
15:18<adriano>what is the command for open 1 file?
15:19<Supaplex>I don't recall. try the man page
15:19*Supaplex got lazy and uses an ipod now (free gift)
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15:19<adriano>where I can find the list of application for open in pcmanfm?
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15:20<tymonn>where do i put THIS "/dev/sda2 /media/C ntfs-3g umask=0,nls=utf8 0 0" ?
15:20<tymonn>thanks! :)
15:20<valdyn>EmleyMoor: the manpage is a little confusing with this too, as it only explains how to use -a with -o alsa, but -o alsa is obsolete
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15:21<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I got mpg321 working now
15:21<valdyn>EmleyMoor: how?
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15:21<EmleyMoor>-a hw:2,0 (or 3,0 as it is now)
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15:22<valdyn>EmleyMoor: doesnt work for me
15:22<tymonn>how do i know wich disks i have?
15:22<EmleyMoor>It's playing just fine for me now
15:23<EmleyMoor>Anyone else ever tried a Logitech Premium Notebook Headset with the USB part they supply with it?
15:23<valdyn>EmleyMoor: should be the same as about any usb headset
15:24<EmleyMoor>Yes - love the fact that you can now change the headset for any two-plug one and keep the same USB bit
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15:29<Hideo>nice domain Dave2
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15:49<sbex>does somebody know a tool like nagios or munin that runs without the need for a webserver?
15:50<@Ganneff>nagios and munin are two entirely different things
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15:51<sbex>Ganneff: you are right. but i look at it as tools for data collection and system analysis
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15:53<rubbish>how do i enable identd? i have pidentd
15:53<sbex>something not so complex that does not require a web server would be really handy
15:53<seisen>maybe darkstat
15:53<EmleyMoor>rubbish: I just installed it and it worked
15:54<sbex>rubbish: you might have to open port 113 and/or enable forwarding in a router to that port
15:54<rubbish>i opened the port
15:54<rubbish>but i didn't forward it
15:54<rubbish>that might be the problem, thanks, sbex
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15:57<Tr3buchet>well hello, world!
15:58<rubbish>yep, just needed to forward it... can't believe i didn't think of that
15:58<rubbish>thanks again, sbex
15:58<sbex>rubbish: welcome
15:58<sbex>hello Tr3buchet
15:59<Tr3buchet>i've got a question about testing, or possibly repositories... (hey sbex). If I'm running etch now and there are just a few things from lenny I'd like to have what should I do, reinstall, this time using lenny, or just somehow use the lenny sources?
16:00<dpkg>well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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16:01<Tr3buchet>and backports is for sure the best method?
16:01<sbex>Tr3buchet: yeah
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16:02<mica>sera a tutti
16:02<sbex>Tr3buchet: well, it depends whether you use it for a desktop or server system
16:02<dpkg>one warez list being sent to mica
16:03<Tr3buchet>actually i'm just really jealous of my buddy's compiz-fusion setup he has running in ubuntu...
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16:03<sbex>Tr3buchet: on a desktop system the stability and reliability aspects are not so important - in my humble opinion. so you can also run Lenny
16:04<Tr3buchet>right, switching to lenny is a situation where i'm basically reinstalling the os right?
16:04<valdyn>Tr3buchet: no
16:04<Tr3buchet>oh, well that's exciting!
16:04<Tr3buchet>what then, does it entail?
16:04<sbex>Tr3buchet: no you can dist-upgrade. but there is a few things to check first. let me look in that bot for the hint
16:04<valdyn>Tr3buchet: but you dont need to upgrade to lenny either, if your current X supports aiglx
16:04<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.
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16:05<rubbish>once i made the mistake of just adding the sid repository to my list... boy did that break my system
16:05<sbex>rubbish: yeah, sid is much more tricky than "testing"
16:05<Tr3buchet>i would image so!
16:06<Tr3buchet>i did something of that sort in gentoo once, and just gave up on it
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16:06<rubbish>luckily i scripted my after-install install
16:06<rubbish>so i just re-installed, ran the script and was set
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16:07<Tr3buchet>so you are suggesting i check if my current x supports aiglx, and if it does, then i just use backport to install compiz fusion?
16:07<Tr3buchet>well that was smart thinkin rubbish
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16:09<sbex>Tr3buchet: if you want to stay with the stable release on your desktop the way could be best
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16:11<Tr3buchet>well this right here seems to sum up my situation in the fewest possible words: "Also, fusion icon and ccsm will not work with pure Etch, they are included only for users who happen to be using backported Gnome/Gtk2 packages."
16:12<chealer>Tr3buchet: if you don't care about your time and have not much experience, it should be easier to "upgrade to lenny".
16:12<Tr3buchet>wait, i do care my time
16:13<rubbish>simple sid backport
16:13<rubbish>how do i ask the bot questions?
16:13<sbex> looks good for a nagios replacement
16:14<seisen>add this "!" before your question
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16:14<rubbish>so it's like typical bots
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16:14<rubbish>thanks, seisen
16:14<rubbish>!simple sid backport
16:14<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
16:15<seisen>np rubbish
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16:15<dC`Arsenic>Hey all
16:15<chealer>!tell rubbish about msg the bot
16:16<dC`Arsenic>I'm looking to install console version of debian onto an old PC to play around with
16:16<dC`Arsenic>I need a good guide to get started
16:16<matth>sbex: collectd doesn't play like nagios. You'll miss the whole service monitoring/alerting stuff. That's just a grapher IMHO
16:16<sbex>well, no. thats also too overdosed. bummer
16:16<dC`Arsenic>IE, where to get the iso (if there is one) etc
16:16<amphi>is anyone else seeing sshd segfaulting on connection, on amd64?
16:17<Tr3buchet>definitely a no to that amphi
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16:17<sbex>amphi: not here on Lenny
16:17<Tr3buchet><- etch
16:19<amphi>sbex: lenny here also - I'm not sure what's up with it
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16:19<Tr3buchet>hey thanks for your help guys!
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16:20<sbex>amphi: i remember vaguely that ssh update was security related in the last 10 days or so. did you go with that?
16:21<ranix>dC`Arsenic: how old? I've installed Sarge to a 133mhz pentium with 16mb of ram via floppies. I wouldn't recommend it to an amateur.
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16:22<ranix>dC`Arsenic: That was recently, mind. Back in the day it was Potato to a k6 but that was more common then
16:22<sbex>amphi: sorry, i am wrong. that update was on etch
16:23<sbex>for some reason i dont find the DSA
16:23<dC`Arsenic>It'sa a 2GHz Athlon XP with 512mb RAM
16:23<dC`Arsenic>Now using
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16:23<ranix>dC`Arsenic: it's a breeze just go to town
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16:25<dC`Arsenic>If it has windows XP on it right now, will i be able to install console debian and have both on the PC?
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16:25<dC`Arsenic>And choose on bootup whether i want XP or debian?
16:26<seisen>as long as you install grub
16:26<seisen>do you already have a partion setup for Debian?
16:26<dC`Arsenic>theres an empty 20gb partition i will use
16:26<sbex>whatever i think i have seen that was ssh related, i cant find it :)
16:28<ranix>dC`Arsenic: if you have anything important on the other partition I'd recommend backing it up
16:28<dC`Arsenic>Only windows :p
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16:28<dC`Arsenic>Its a blank install of windows
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16:30<amphi>sbex: yes, it's up to date
16:30<chealer>dC`Arsenic: yes
16:30<sbex>does somebody know how long it usually takes when bug #472476 for debtags was closed that it appears in the lenny repository?
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16:31<chealer>sbex: over 2 days
16:32<sbex>ah, cool
16:32<sbex>so that does not have to take the usual path from sid->lenny
16:33<SeveredCross>How can I see how much information's been transmitted in/out of a network interface?
16:34<SeveredCross>Hmm, ntop seems to maybe do what I want.
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16:36<Evil_Lyra>hi there
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16:36<Hideo>SeveredCross: or you could always do "cat /proc/net/dev"
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16:36<SeveredCross>I was looking for that but couldn't find it.
16:37<Evil_Lyra>i´m having trouble to install etch on this device:
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16:37<Evil_Lyra>the installation hangs after pressing enter on syslinux
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16:40<chealer>sbex: it does (but it was uploaded with high urgency)
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16:40<sbex>chealer: how do you find such information? :)
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16:41<chealer>sbex: " debtags (1.7.4) unstable; urgency=high"
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16:42<sbex>chealer: so in sid its already available?
16:43<sbex>leandramarq: do you have a debian related question?
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16:46<chealer>sbex: yes
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16:48<tingle>what does this mean?? Et: Registerd Protocol Family 10, lo: disabled privacy extention
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17:19<Supaplex>is there anyway to do per user scheduling? I want uid 1011 to have higher priority than uid 1010 on all pids.
17:19-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
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17:19-!-dondelelcaro changed the topic of #debian to: DPL Debate at 20:30 UTC wednesday in #debian-dpl-debates | 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people
17:19-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
17:19<dpkg>DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Sam Hocevar. See <>.
17:19-!-weasel changed the topic of #debian to: DPL Debate at 20:30 UTC wednesday in #debian-dpl-debate | 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people
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17:20<gloupy>hi there
17:20<dondelelcaro>weasel: thanks
17:20<weasel>dondelelcaro: s/debates/debate/
17:20<weasel>also, cleaned up whitespace at the end
17:20<gloupy>is it possible to ssh to home from my office where there is a fw if i use a ssh connection to a sshd listening on https ?
17:21<Supaplex> /topic * tab ftw :)
17:21<weasel>Supaplex: only people append whitespace using that
17:21<weasel>and they never think of fixing it
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17:21<Supaplex>yeah. I imply /topic * tab ^H^H^H^H^H :P
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17:22<chealer>while we're at it, do we NEED to have PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? in ALL CAPS in /topic ?
17:22<petemc>gloupy: unless the firewall does sneaky things like check for the ssh banner, sure
17:22<weasel>for all I care it can go entirely.
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17:22<gloupy>what if the proxy does content filtering ?
17:22<dondelelcaro>chealer: considering the number of times it gets asked, yes.
17:23<petemc>gloupy: that can probably be worked around too
17:23<petemc>why dont you see if you need it first
17:23<petemc>if you do, head to google
17:24<Supaplex>gloupy: man ssh_config - stick your connect helper config setting in ~/.ssh/config
17:24*Supaplex 's had to do that fun stuph before
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17:28<chealer>dondelelcaro: precisely... $ grep 'no public key' logs/debian\ irc_#debian.log |grep -v 'NO FLOOD'|wc -l
17:28<chealer>(about 1 month of logs)
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17:30<dondelelcaro>chealer: NO_PUBKEY is what you want to grep for
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17:30<dondelelcaro>(and it's been asked 7 times in the past month)
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17:38<Plokko>can i use Ms Access files on smb(cause win sux and cost a LOT)?
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17:45<tapedeck>how can i enable the framebuffer console? i've a ati radeon x1550 graphic card, but i'm not sure about the boot options.
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17:48<hellues>phpbb2 doesnt work
17:49<hellues>readme.debian says go to url yourserver/phpbb2
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17:49<hellues>but phpbb2 doesnt work what can i do
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17:54<davi>URI of Debian unstable or testing install CDs?
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17:55<bma>(First hit in google for "debian testing cd", by some weird coincidence.)
17:56<hellues>any help
17:56<davi>thanks bma
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17:56<bma>hellues, what error do you get when you go to that url?
17:57<hellues>not found
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17:58<bma>Do an "ls /var/www", is there a phpbb2 directory there?
17:58*seanius doesn't think there should be
17:59<hellues>just a second
17:59<hellues>there is no phpbb2 directory
18:00<hellues>must i create one
18:00<hellues>what must i do
18:00<bma>What webserver are you using?
18:00<bma>Did you restart it after installing phpbb2?
18:01<hellues>restart apache
18:01<hellues>one minute ago i restarted apache
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18:07<hellues>apache2-default index.html test.php
18:07<hellues> under /var/www/
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18:07<seanius>hellues: no, the configuration is more likely in /etc/apache2/conf.d
18:08<seanius>is this etch or sid?
18:08<hellues>apache2-doc charset movabletype-opensource phpmyadmin.conf
18:08<hellues>under /etc/apache2/conf.d/
18:08<hellues>it is lenny
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18:09<hellues>seanius, what must i do plp mmes hel
18:09<hellues>pls help me * :D
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18:13<seanius>hellues: did you get and answer questions about webservers and databases and stuff via debconf when you installed it?
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18:14<hellues>mysql ask password apache does nıot ask anything
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18:15<seanius>hellues: what's your debconf priority set to?
18:15<hellues>i dont remember
18:15<seanius>debconf-show debconf
18:15<hellues>i guess medium
18:15<seanius>grep priority
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18:16<hellues>debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied
18:16<hellues>whats that
18:16<seanius>it looks like phpbb2 defaults to using apache (1.x) still if you don't answer that you want apache2
18:16<seanius>hellues: ignore that
18:16<hellues>that s high
18:16<seanius>hellues: try "dpkg-reconfigure phpbb2"
18:16<seanius>hellues: try "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium phpbb2"
18:17<seanius>2nd is probably better than the first
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18:17<hellues>webserver to configure
18:17<seanius>jvw: your hands are dirtied by this :)
18:17<hellues>apache apache -ssl apache-perl apache2
18:18<hellues>which one apache
18:18<seanius>you want apache2
18:18<hellues>but it says only apache variant are supported
18:18<hellues>yes i want apache2 i guess
18:20<hellues>!msg dpkg paste
18:20<hellues>!msg paste
18:20<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:21<hellues>seanius, is that ok ?
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18:22<kazaoul>hello guys
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18:22<seanius>hellues: did anyone else here have you put something else in an apache file manually?
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18:23<kazaoul>i have one prob: i cant boot from db disc (i tried the normal one & the netinst) cause my pc bypass the cdrom boot and continues to normal boot
18:23<seanius>hellues: grep -r /phpbb /etc/apache2 and see if it shows up in any other files
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18:23<hellues>seanius, include /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf i put this end of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
18:24<seanius>hellues: aha... you can remove that
18:24<seanius>there should be something in /etc/apache2/conf.d now
18:24<seanius>and then do sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
18:24<seanius>or as root, depending on how you roll
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18:25<hellues>seanius, i removed this line and restarted apache
18:26<hellues>seanius, my apache2.conf
18:26<seanius>and if you go to http://localhost/phpbb ?
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18:26<hellues>not found
18:27<hellues>it works interesting
18:27<hellues>seanius, Sorry, but this board is currently unavailable. Please try again later.
18:27<hellues> whats that
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18:28<Supaplex>fire the admin ;)
18:28<kazaoul>you have to enable forum
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18:28<seanius>no idea, i don't actually use this software because it's shit and one of the most frequently hacked webapps out there :)
18:28<kazaoul>oh Supaplex's solution is faster
18:28<hellues>ok it fixes
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18:28*Supaplex ^5's kazaoul :-D hahaha
18:28<hellues>what is your suggestion to make forum
18:29<hellues>seanius, vwhat is your suggestion to make forum
18:29<hellues>smf ?
18:29<hellues>is smf debian package
18:29<seanius>hellues: find another job that doesn't involve administering web forums? does that count as a suggestion? :)
18:30<hellues>i havbe to make a forunm
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18:30<seanius>hellues: just keep an eye on the security reports for phpbb2
18:31<seanius>you should be able to subscribe to the bts for the package (you'll have to figure out how to do that on your own), so that if anyone reports a security problem you can know about it as fast as possible
18:32<hellues>actually /user/share/phpbb2/readme.Debian
18:32<hellues>says something about security
18:34<kazaoul>can anyone help me now with my prob?
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18:35<chealer>kazaoul: not unless you explain how you can be helped.
18:36<kazaoul>[00:23] <kazaoul> i have one prob: i cant boot from db disc (i tried the normal one & the netinst) cause my pc bypass the cdrom boot and continues to normal boot
18:36<esop>kazaoul: set boot order in bios???
18:37<kazaoul>im trying on 2 computers
18:37<kazaoul>with many cds i burned em 3 times
18:37<Aleric>Does anyone have an example of how I can automatically reply with some message to incoming mails, in .procmailrc ?
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18:37<esop>kazaoul: if you explore the cd from within OS do you see all the files or just the *.iso file?
18:38<esop>kazaoul: can you boot other bootable cd's?
18:38<kazaoul>mmm i don't have atm i have only debian
18:39<kazaoul>now im downloading ubuntu live again
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18:43<hellues>how can i configure phpbb security
18:43<hellues>i guess debian does not provide a security
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18:45<Pryon>Aleric: the procmailex man page has an autoreply recipe
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18:46<Pryon>Two, in fact.
18:48<Supaplex>autoreplies are teh evil
18:48<Supaplex>mainly due to spam blowback noise
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18:51<Supaplex>does parted resize journalized hfsplus?
18:52<Aleric>Pryon: thanks
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19:00<gsimmons>Supaplex: It can only shrink HFS and HFS+ filesystems.
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19:14<riganta>hi, I have installed procmail but I can't find procmailrc to configure it
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19:15<ifvoid>riganta: you need to write one
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19:15<witte>riganta: apt-file search procmailrc
19:15<esop>riganta: you might find some examples in /usr/share/doc/promail or there abouts.
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19:16<witte>riganta: it lists some examples
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19:16<avu>also: man procmailex
19:16<panagos>can i convert ms office files to pdf with openoffice from the *command line*?
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19:17<ifvoid>panagos: I don't think so
19:18<panagos>is there any other program for the job (ppt -> pdf from the command line)? i checked wv but it only works with .doc files
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19:18<ifvoid>panagos: not that I know of
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19:20<Hideo>panagos: why must you insist on cli for this? Are you writing a script?
19:21<panagos>Hideo: basically it would be more practical (not having to launch any graphics app), and is kindof slow...
19:21<esop>panagos: maybe look into antiword ... looks like it might be a tool that will convert .doc to .pdf etc.
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19:23<panagos>esop: the description says it only works for word :( (plus i tried it and it doesn't work)
19:24<panagos>* esop: (with .ppt)
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19:25<esop>panagos: err missed that .ppt - good luck :)
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19:25<panagos>esop: haha thanks!
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19:30<Hideo>panagos: so have you converted it to pdf yet? :P
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19:31<panagos>Hideo: well, i'm eventually using :P (and converting via the GUI)
19:31<amphi>sbex: you still here?
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19:37<esop>panagos: maybe take a peek at
19:38<Golfgeo>Hi all, got a problem with the gspca-source package. m-a doesn't wan't to build it somehow???
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19:38<twb>What are the semantics of atime when a filesystem it mounted -o noatime?
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19:39<twb>find -atime +31 on my filesystem lists some -- but not all -- files, so clearly it has SOME kind of semantics.
19:40<ttyS1>How do I use dc_gui, is there a better program ?
19:41<twb>ttyS1: what is dc_gui?
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19:42<ttyS1>twb: is supposed to be a Direct Connect client
19:42<panagos>esop: unoconv seems awesome! and it is in debian too! now i have the power of without the (slow) GUI! :P
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19:42<twb>panagos: I hate how all the ODF clients have unintuitive name like that.
19:42<esop>panagos: awesome.. and I can not vouch for the software at all :P
19:43<panagos>maybe check out for all packages that depend on openoffice core :D
19:43<Hideo>nice find esop, I'll probably have a use for that in the future too
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19:46*esop sets off to find a conversion tool that converts water into wine ;)
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19:48<lupine_>esop: check imagemagick
19:49<chealer>Golfgeo: no, it should have nothing against it
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19:52<Golfgeo>chealer, what do you mean with "nothing against it"?
19:52<twb>Believe it or not, I have a legitimate reason for running module-assistant inside a chroot: I'm building the openafs module for a netboot client. What is the best way to ensure that m-a builds against the kernel installed in the chroot, and *not* the version that's running (outside the chroot)?
19:53<twb>Obviously m-a -l, but I need to get the value for -l programmatically.
19:53<chealer>Golfgeo: m-a is a program, it has no will. but nothing prevents it from compiling gspca-source.
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19:53<Hideo>Golfgeo: your original question was so clear that nobody could help you.
19:54<Hideo>Golfgeo: give us something, what's the error, paste it on a paste site, etc...
19:57<Golfgeo>Hideo, ah ic... I have a custom kernel and linux-headers installed, I apt-get gspca-source and ran m-a prepare and m-a build gspca. Then it starts and goes thru all the steps within seconds and shows there has been an error, but I can't get at that error...
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19:58<lupine_>Golfgeo: cd into the source directory and run make yourself?
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19:59<Golfgeo>lupine_ I would like to create a .deb and be able to reuse or deinstall it...
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19:59<Hideo>we would need to know what the error is, otherwise we're just stabbing in the dark
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20:00<Golfgeo>Looking at the m-a steps messeges wizz by I think there is a C error, missing headers probably...
20:00<lupine_>Golfgeo: just for looking at the errors
20:00<lupine_>once you've fixed the error, you can m-a it
20:00<Golfgeo>Hideo, I know... But perhaps someone had an error while doing the same thing...
20:00*lupine_ stabs the dark where it hurts
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20:01<Hideo>Golfgeo: then query :P
20:01<EmleyMoor>A N Error - sister of T H E Error?
20:01<Golfgeo>Now thats help :-) brb
20:02<hellues>can i execute jovilli on debian
20:02<Golfgeo>Found a bug notice:
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20:03<Golfgeo>Oh man, now to find out how to get the "upstream" version Debianized
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20:03<Hideo>Golfgeo: but did you read that bug report?
20:04<sn4ke>alguém fala português?
20:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:04<Hideo>apparently the upstream version is the same as the source distributed by Debian, so says the package maintainer
20:06<Golfgeo>Hideo, I seem to need some coffee :-) Didn't read it all the way down to the page, no...
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20:07<Hideo>Golfgeo: :P , maybe you should run m-a build again and contribute to that bug report, hopefully the package maintainer knows what's going on
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20:08<Golfgeo>Hideo, I know I should do that since I love Debian, yet, when ^&^* m-a doesn't show me the error report I am lost to what is wrong...
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20:10<Golfgeo>If I however do make etc on the file it only makes and installes the files into the currently running modules, right?
20:11<Golfgeo>Well, atleast it should do that... (So I can remove the kernel-image .deb (apt-get remove --purge) and clean the lot up so I can trackdown the error...
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20:11<Hideo>what kernel version are you running
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20:13<Hideo>I just built the latest version for sid on 2.6.22 with no problems
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20:15<Hideo>Golfgeo: oh maybe I see what's going on, why don't you try "m-a a-b gspca instead"
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20:16<Villarroel>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in lenny does not ask which video mode to use. I even pass the parameter -plow .
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20:17<Villarroel>I love that it ask less questions, this is good for the newbies.
20:18<Villarroel>But I don't want to edit xorg.conf manually I like more the Debian way.
20:18<gravity>Villarroel: Use xrandr
20:18<Golfgeo>I believe I found an error: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.24/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
20:19<gravity>Villarroel: You shouldn't really need to edit xorg.conf very often at this point. Most monitors will come up just fine without editing xorg.conf
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20:19<gravity>That's why it's been removed from the debconf prompts. The X server does an infinitely better job of figuring out your settings than the debconf scripts ever did
20:20<Hideo>Golfgeo: when I did "m-a a-b gspca" it built ok, but, when I did "m-a prepare ; m-a build gspca" it failed and gave me that same message
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20:20<Villarroel>gravity, thanks this is OK, for changing the video resolution, but I know this display can do 1024x768 but the new xorg.conf is very simple it does not list any mode.
20:20<Golfgeo>hmm, oke, thats just plain wierd :-) But running you line now...
20:20<Golfgeo>btw what does the a-b standfor?
20:20<gravity>Villarroel: If you really need something desperate that's a permanent change then just edit xorg.conf.
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20:21<gravity>Villarroel: The debconf prompts are not coming back
20:21<Villarroel>Ok. I think I will use xorgconf or something.
20:21<Hideo>Golfgeo: autobuild
20:21<Golfgeo>ah, ic :-)
20:21<Villarroel>Thanks I really like the way it is. Few questions is better.
20:21<gravity>xorgconf isn't shipping either
20:21<Villarroel>I see.
20:21<gravity>Just edit by hand or use xrandr to set it at runtime
20:22<gravity>We need a good gui tool to edit the config, or soemthing similar that's more radical
20:22<gravity>But we don't have one
20:22<gravity>So yeah, just get out the text editor and do it by hand.
20:22<Villarroel>I not happy, with the default resolutions that are "auto-detected" the maximun is 800x600 and I know this display can do Higher.
20:23<Villarroel>I will edit it by hand. No problem here.
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20:23<gravity>Villarroel: Do you have a KVM or something?
20:23<gravity>I'll take that as a no
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20:23<gravity>Villarroel: What video driver are you using?
20:23<Golfgeo>nope, the a-b doesn't work either. But I think I have an idear what is wrong :-) BBL
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20:24<gravity>hrm, maybe it's an older chip
20:24<gravity>That should detect the correct video settings though, even with older chips
20:24<Villarroel>Yeah, it is Old.
20:24<gravity>Ok, that may be why
20:24<gravity>Upstream hasn't implemented randr 1.2 support for anything older
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20:25<Villarroel>What is randr, exactly_
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20:25<gravity>The Resize and Rotate extension
20:25<Villarroel>I see.
20:26<electro>hi all
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20:26<electro>can anyone suggest me a really geekish eyecandy for etch
20:26<gravity>It's a way for clients to communicate with the server to tell it to resize or rotate the display. As of version 1.2 it can also bring up and disable different monitors, as well as adding features that let it superscede the xinerama implementation
20:27<Hideo>electro: check out conky
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20:28<electro>Hideo, let me check
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20:29<Hideo>electro: ; there's a debian package of it in etch too
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20:30<electro>Hideo, i found 1 more cool one ... yakuake
20:31<Villarroel>Bye bye.
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20:31<Hideo>electro: yeah, but I avoid kde :P
20:31<electro>Hideo, it also works on gnome :)
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20:32<bninja>hello all
20:33<bninja>i'm new to debian and had a question about setting up/running ude, project looking glass, or changing desktop environments in general. anyone that can help me?
20:33<Hideo>electro: rxvt-unicode-ml works just fine thank you, transparency, unicode, xft fonts
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20:34<bninja>sry that confused me. more specifically, i'm a windows user, so i'm a little stupid when it comes to running linux
20:35<electro>Hideo, did u ever tried gaming on etch?? specifically Counter strike/?
20:35<bninja>i used to have fedora a few years back, but it was real easy to change desktop environments
20:36<Hideo>electro: I haven't yet
20:36<witte>bninja: install ude, and start up whatever you want in the login manager?
20:36<bninja>hahaha.. thx. that makes me look real stupid
20:37<witte>bninja: if you use kdm or gdm (which is if you have a fancy login window), there will be a session button somewhere, and you can choose which desktop environment you are using
20:37<witte>bninja: installing software can be done using aptitude, apt-get or synaptic (graphical tool)
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20:37<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
20:38<witte>he's gone, well, the install thing wasn't the one i was looking for
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20:42<witte>strange that he wanted ude, never heard of it before, does not seem like a program that a newby wants to use (probably typo for kde)à
20:43<witte>the tagline "UDE - get used to it." seems to me like: go away newby :-)
20:43<Hideo>project looking glass is also something different from what a newbie wants
20:44<witte>looks fancy
20:44<Hideo>looks kinda ugly if you ask me :P
20:45<witte>i bet though that it is no match in fancy-ness to my dual screen window maker setup with complete black backgrounds :P
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20:45<Hideo>hehe, black backgrounds own
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20:47<bnja>hello again
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20:48<bnja>my pc messed while i was trying to change the desktop environment, but ude wasn't on the list in the session window
20:48<witte>bnja == bninja?
20:48<bnja>i have installed it w/ synaptic though
20:48<witte>bnja: well, probably you will have to install it
20:48<witte>ah, ok
20:49<witte>now it should be in the list
20:49<bnja>well, i installed it before i got on here asking about it
20:50<electro>hey has anyone been able to do voice chat to yahoo/ gmail users on debian?
20:51<witte>bnja: i do not really know ude, but a quick look on the webpage suggested that is not directly the most appropriate desktop environment for newbies
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20:54<bnja>witte: lol... well, that's prolly right. i just want to get my computer set up so it looks a little less bland. really, i want to get project looking glass installed, b/c its all 3d and looks awesome. but i like the hex menu in ude. also, i have the bin to install project looking glass, but i don't know how to install it. it's been a few years since i used fedora, and the majority of my computer experience has been on windows
20:55<witte>bnja: look at compiz instead of project looking glass
20:55<dpkg>rumour has it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
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20:56<bnja>and yeah, bnja == bninja. i accidentally joined twice
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20:57<dpkg>[wine] packaged in the 'wine' package. or #winehq ( Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.
20:57<bnja>isn't wine at or near 1.0 now?
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21:00<bnja>well, trying compiz now. thx for the advice
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21:06<electro>hi i am behind a NTLM proxy server so i use cntlm to get round it......but how can i configure tor to use it??
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21:08<electro>or in other words how can i put proxy in tor?
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21:21<josh>how to a make setserial configure everytie i boot?
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21:22<gsimmons>electro: man 8 tor; include the HttpProxy and HttpsProxy options within /etc/tor/torrc.
21:23<Guest2600>how do i make setserial configure when i boot into debian?
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21:29<electro>gsimmons, i have installed and configured tor using but now how do i use it??
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21:41<hellues>i installed a template to phpbb2
21:41<hellues>but it was not working
21:42<hellues>how can i change theme
21:42<hellues>sorry template
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21:46<hellues>,how can i change phpbb2 template manually
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22:40<Golfgeo>Hi all, got a question: after installing a kernel module what does one have to run to make it "stick" at boot?
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22:42<witte>Golfgeo: put it in /etc/modules
22:42<witte>Golfgeo: if you mean with "stick" that you want it loaded every time you boot
22:43<Golfgeo>Nope, witte, it's I believe called depmod
22:45<Golfgeo>need to reboot, bbl
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22:47<RIVE>Hello, good night.
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22:56<tata>how 2 convert flv files??
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23:09<hellues>i have a serious problem
23:09<hellues>and no one in phpbb
23:09<hellues>i just install phpbb3
23:09<hellues>but icanot viewe localhost/phpbb
23:09<hellues>wht can i do
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23:13<tata>but tht does not wk
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23:15<Supaplex>high *toke* *toke* ahhhh...
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23:15<Supaplex>hellues: fill us in
23:15<Supaplex>!don't work
23:15<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
23:16<Supaplex>hellues: what's the web page say? how's it behave? does it try to download php files instead? did you look at /var/log/apache*/*error* ?
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23:17<hellues>i am using lucalhost
23:17<Supaplex>we got that
23:17<hellues>and i see not found errro
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23:17<Supaplex>then what do you see?
23:17<hellues>not found
23:17<Supaplex>did you install it as a debian package?
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23:18<Supaplex>which package?
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23:19<Supaplex>which release? etch? lenny? sid? stable? gutsy? fiesty? testing? unstable?
23:19<Supaplex>run dpkg -l phpbb3 | grep php
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23:19<Supaplex>sid is for developers. if you can't wrap your head around apache and it's config, sid isn't a good choice. (it's typically more complicated than stable)
23:20<hellues>actually i wonna user phpbb3 instead of phpbb2
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23:21<dpkg>from memory, kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!!
23:21<Supaplex>then uninstall phpbb2
23:21<hellues>i uninstall phpbb2
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23:23<Supaplex>i'm installing some dependencies on a test box. meanwhile, install phpbb3
23:23<hellues>Supaplex, ii phpbb3 3.0.0-2
23:24<hellues>i installed phpbb3
23:24<hellues>and i restarted my apache server
23:24<hellues>but localhost/phpbb does not work
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23:25<tbone>newbie here. Any help bere for resizing partitiions?
23:25<Supaplex>hellues: grep -r phpbb /etc/apa* 2>/dev/null
23:26<hellues>Supaplex, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf~:include /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf
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23:27<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati>
23:27<Golfgeo>Hi all, the gspca module was compiled :-) But now I seem to load both the gspca and the origional module for the same device. This is different behaivior that on my normal PC where I run a standerd kernel...
23:27<Supaplex>hellues: odd. maybe dpkg -L phpbb3 | grep apache
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23:27<Supaplex>Golfgeo: do you want to not load one of those?
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23:28<Supaplex>hellues: okay. look at /etc/phpbb3/apache.conf and see if you can determine where it's suppose to live. (I don't know yet, btw)
23:28<Golfgeo>Supaplex I think I don't need one of those since the other one (I compiled) should do the same as the first one (but then correctly)
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23:29<Supaplex>Golfgeo: unload it with modconf, and blacklist it if you have to.
23:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:30<Golfgeo>Supaplex The modconf is no problem, but blacklist it?
23:30<Supaplex>!tell Golfgeo -about blacklist
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23:30<Golfgeo>:-) Thanks Supaplex
23:31<hellues>why phpbb does not work pff
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23:31<Supaplex>hellues: why do unlearned users insist on using sid?
23:32<hellues>i dont know
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23:33<Supaplex>!sns syndrome
23:33<dpkg>methinks sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
23:33<Golfgeo>Supaplex I did find the modules.usbmap where both drivers seem to be pointing at the same device
23:33<hellues>i am returning phpbb2
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23:34<Supaplex>Golfgeo: ahh. I'm happy to say, my recent blacklist attempt worked well. :) that was a mere few days ago too
23:34<Golfgeo>hmm, what to do... Since the correct one does clame the device after the first one had done it. So the correct one should override... But did you do the blacklist-initramfs too?
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23:36<Supaplex>hellues: sed -i.bak s/phpbb2/phpbb3/g /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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23:36<Supaplex>Golfgeo: well, it's trival to do.
23:37<hellues>i am
23:37<Golfgeo>Supaplex With trivial you mean simple, right?
23:37<hellues>giving up phpbb3
23:37<Supaplex>hellues: it was including the phpbb2 config. you give up now that you have help?
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23:37<Guest2623>hi, how can i remove Ubuntu logo from menu? i.e. have the gnome foot instead? in hardy beta plz ?
23:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
23:38<hellues>another problem i have
23:38<Guest2623>omg sorry, my mistake, wrong channel XD!
23:38<hellues>i installed template on phpbb
23:38<hellues>but that was not working
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23:38<hellues>how can i change template
23:38<Supaplex>hellues: how many issues do you expect to fix at once?
23:39*witte wonders if ubuntu packagers set the default server and channel for every irc client to #debian@oftc?
23:39<Supaplex>of course the template is worthless if phpbb isn't even installed correctly
23:39<Supaplex>witte: they forgot to fix that in the past.
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23:40<hellues>just one
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23:40<hellues>i wonna use default templates is it possible how
23:40<Supaplex>witte: I have a few base installs of some ubuntu releases in vserver guests, and last I checked the so called stable release was sane on the default channels (of the three or four clients I looked at)
23:41<Supaplex>hellues: first things first. did you reload apache after that sed command?
23:41<witte>Supaplex: ok, i just wondered as a lot of ubuntu people tend to bump in and are quite surprised to find them in a channel that is actually not ubuntu...
23:41<hellues>i remove phpbb3
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23:42<hellues>yes i do Supaplex
23:43<Supaplex>hellues: my change applied to phpbb3. why did you change the situation on me while working with you?
23:44<hellues>sorry Supaplex ii found a solution in my mind make me crazy
23:44<hellues>i am so sorry
23:44<NeoJew>How can I tell if my ATI driver is installed properly?
23:44<hellues>do you know this answer of the quenstion
23:44<Supaplex>I was on to an answer, but you changed the senario
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23:45<hellues>how can i change teplate of phpbb bcause i took an error
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23:45<hellues>just this quenstion pls
23:45<Supaplex>does phpbb even work?
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23:45<hellues>i install a template /etc/phpbb2/templates/
23:45<Supaplex>well good for you. is this template a debian package?
23:46<hellues>and i change this from phpbb admin-panel
23:46<hellues>i dont know i dont think so
23:46<Supaplex>how did you get the template in the first place?
23:47<hellues>from a forum
23:47<hellues>a Turkish forum
23:47<hellues>phpBB : Critical Error
23:47<Supaplex>simple enough. that's not a debian package.
23:47<hellues>Could not open deathlyhallows template config file
23:47<Supaplex>if their template broke it, I don't know how to fix it.
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23:48<hellues>then where cdoes the system hole phpbb2 configuration settings
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23:52<Golfgeo>Supaplex It worked, thanks mate :-) (I guess I'm just way too insecure to risk my machines heath...)
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23:53<Golfgeo>Although the collor is a bit wierd atm... Hmm... Well it is night ATM...
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23:55<Golfgeo>CPU usage is up too, hmm
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