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---Logopened Wed Mar 26 00:00:11 2008
00:00<razed>Hey guys, I have a question for you. I have an SSH server set up to get on the internet at work. It works great, 'cept I lost power a few nights ago and I'm just getting around to noticing that my SSH server isn't working anymore. Says 'host doesn't exist' when I try to connect using putty. I've tried starting it back up via '/etc/init.d/ssh start', but putty still says the host doesn't exist.
00:00<razed>Any suggestions?
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00:01<witte>razed: it is not that your ip has changed or something like that?
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00:03<razed>Well, I have ddclient to update my IP address at I figured that'd handle it
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00:04<witte>razed: could be, could also be that the dns servers are not updated yet, depends
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00:07<razed>Aha, thanks for the suggestion. You got me looking at apparently I don't read the fine print, and my account expired. Sorry for the newbie question, and thanks for the help!
00:08<witte>no problem :-)
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00:10<Supaplex>heh. woops.
00:12<Golfgeo>gtg people thanks for the help :-)
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01:05<Aleric>I made a picture of my program :)
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01:36<sot6853>anybody use vmware?
01:37<sot6853>I'm dual-booting a laptop with Windows xp and Ubuntu
01:37<sot6853>thinking about getting rid of the dual boot and running xp in vmware
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01:39<sot6853>maybe parallels?
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01:40<twb>How do I tell module-assistant to run apt-get with the -y switch?
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01:42<sot6853>apt-get module-assistant -y?
01:42*sot6853 linux supernewb
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01:49<alaya>did sd devices name change from /dev/mmcblk0pN ?
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01:50<UniX>Hello! Who use Debian 4.0?
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01:51<gsimmons>twb: Provide the -i or --non-inter options to m-a.
01:51<twb>gsimmons: thanks!
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01:53<alaya>ah, needed tifm_7xx1 module
01:53<UniX>I have Debian 4.0 DVD, but it does not content kernel-sources package( It is normal?
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01:54<gsimmons>UniX: It was renamed to 'linux-source-*'. You're probably after the 'linux-source-2.6.18' package.
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01:57<Requiem>is there any point at all in having a second gig of RAM? even if I'm going to virtualize windows..
01:59<UniX>gsimmons: Thank you very much!!!:)) I already install this package:) I know Linux very bad, but I very love FreeBSD:))) I want use Linux (Debian, ALTLinux) on desktop. And I'm Russian then I can write with errors. С ошибками:)
01:59<UniX>gsimmons: Thank you very much!!!:)) I already install this package:)
02:01<blarson>Requiem: depends on what you do. josm and t@h like lots of ram.
02:01<UniX>Кто здесь по-русски хорошо знает?:)
02:03<Requiem>i was planning on screwing around online and using XP in a VM to start a virus collection
02:04<dpkg>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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02:10<Requiem>hmm, multiple VMs...
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02:12<cesurasean>where is everyone at? :)
02:12<cesurasean>is lenny out yet?
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02:14<dpkg>i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>).
02:15<Requiem>lenny's not officially out, I'm using it though
02:15<cesurasean>sept is far away :P
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03:41<cesurasean>anyone know why I can get a program called robomail working on debian but not centos?
03:41<jm_>you should ask in centos channel
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03:42<Hideo>b/c debian rocks
03:42<cesurasean>why would it not work on centos though?
03:43<chealer>cesurasean: this is not a CentOS discussion channel.
03:43<Hideo>*shrugs* ask centOS I guess
03:43<cesurasean>anyone know of a good centos irc channel?
03:43<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at, or for IRC support, use #centos @
03:47<taeschd>good morning everybody
03:48<taeschd>i just figured out that a reinstallation of apache and php doesnt recreate the dirs /etc/apache or /etc/php
03:48<taeschd>which i had removed manually after removing apache and php with apt-get
03:48<taeschd>does anyobdy know how to get these 2 /etc-dirs?
03:48<jm_>taeschd: no
03:49<taeschd>looks a bit as if the /etc-dir is created from elsewhere...
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03:50<jm_>so why don't you find out which package owns it?
03:50<taeschd>u mean which packake owns /etc?
03:50<jm_>nno, the dirs you want back
03:51<taeschd>they are in /etc
03:51<taeschd>i gonna take a look. ty so far
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04:45<k-man__>is there some way to check the major and minor modes of a device from the command line?
04:45<k-man__>hi morgan`
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04:49<weasel>k-man__: ls?
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05:17<JustSoul>How to check hdd usage like top/iftop?
05:17<JustSoul>not df
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05:21<Guest2600>how do i make setserial configurure automatcally when i boot up?
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05:24<k-man__>weasel, yeah, i realised its there in ls
05:24<k-man__>weasel, thanks
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05:26<k-man__>where does one specify a module that should be loaded at boot time?
05:27<avtobiff>k-man__, /etc/modules
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05:28<k-man__>thanks avtobiff
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05:35<riganta>Hi guys, i created a server mail by using courier-imap, postfix, procmail. In courier-imap i created maiboxes with maildirmake Maildir and then maildiremake -f Sent maildir, Queue, junkmail, Virus, Drafts, Trash but I can't see those mailboxes
05:36<riganta>dont know where there are :)
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05:39<koollman>riganta: are they in the 'Maildir' directory ?
05:39<koollman>or are they just next to it, perhaps ?
05:40<riganta>Normally that is where there should be :)
05:40<riganta>in Maildir
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05:50<alaya>do the names start with . ?
05:50<alaya>i.e. .junkmail, .Virus, etc. ?
05:52<riganta>no they don't
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06:19<electro>hi all does anyone know how to fetch lyrics on amarok in gnome??
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06:26<padski>on one of my etch systems this morning, I am seeing "Failed to fetch Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" but I can fetch it okay by hand.
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06:28<twb>gsimmons: grr, it looks like m-a -i is buggy on some systems (ubuntu, bleh), and doesn't insert a space between apt-get and -y.
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06:42<Guest2656>which is better initng or upstart
06:43<twb>Guest2656: IMO they both suck, primarily because nobody has ported the sysvinit scripts.
06:44<padski>Guest2656, what release are you using ?
06:44<Guest2656>it just takes a long time to boot my box
06:45<Guest2656>it stays on "starting mta" for a while
06:45<padski>!starting mta
06:46<padski>Guest2656, exim ?
06:46<Guest2656>what's exim
06:47<dpkg>exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3., very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to <exim4> for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm"
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06:57<Guest2656>is there a utility that lets me remove startup items
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06:58<twb>Guest2656: rcconf?
06:58<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead., or ask me about <startup>
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07:18<taeschd>i installed apache2 with apt-get trying 2 start apache i get the msg "Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory"
07:18<taeschd>its true, its not there
07:18<taeschd>the question is how do i get it there?
07:18<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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07:19<taeschd>i gonna try it
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07:20<taeschd>good idea but it didnt work, the msg when starting apache is still the same
07:21<taeschd>this apache2.conf still isnt there
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07:22<jm_>what did you reinstall?
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07:23<taeschd>apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2
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07:23<jm_>the point is you have to reinstall the package which *has* the file you're missing, not a random package
07:24<taeschd>the msg is "Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory"
07:24<jm_>yes, so find out which package contains it
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07:24<taeschd>i interpreted it that apache2 is the package which holds it...
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07:25<dpkg>assumption is, like, the mother of all fuckups
07:25<taeschd>so, how do i find out the package which contains the file i need?
07:25<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See
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07:27<taeschd>aaaaaaaaha. its apache2.2-common
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07:37<Guest2656>i have cron and avahi in my rcconf, which do the saem thing, can i disable one?
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07:45<twb>Guest2656: avahi does NOT do the same thing as cron.
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07:47<Guest2656>oh okay
07:48<Guest2656>can i disable network manager dispatcher?
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07:51<ubuntu>Lo, I'm installing debian and its asking what kernel to use 2.6.18-6-686 or 486 and also 2.6-686 or 486... I've got a Pentium D 2.8ghz if that helps - any ideas which I'm best using?
07:51<jm_>ubuntu: yeah
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07:52<ubuntu>sorry for being called 'ubuntu' im stuck on a livecd using irssi
07:52<amphi>ubuntu: /nick foo (if you're embarrassed ;)
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07:52<Cyorxamp>:D so anyway - which kernal?
07:53<bma>The 686 one.
07:53<Cyorxamp>2.6.18-6 or 2.6 ?
07:53<bma>2.6 will pull in 2.6.18
07:53<jm_>doesn't matter
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07:53<Cyorxamp>ah ok, i'll do the default then lol
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07:54<Cyorxamp>just tried Dreamlinux 3 RC3, its still very very nice - very very debian... but with all the fancy icons it just doesn't feel right
07:54<Cyorxamp>back to debian :P
07:54<Cyorxamp>plus its based on testing, hardly good for me to use here at work lmao
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08:02<Golfgeo>Hi all, got a question: in what file are the options passed to kernel modules (via modconf) saved?
08:02<Golfgeo>*what = which
08:04<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
08:05<fenix>afinal o que é este quadro?
08:06<ranix>you looking for /etc/modules Golfgeo ?
08:06<ranix>man modules
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08:07<fenix>eu só quero trabalhar, instalei o fenix sistem na maquina mas não consigo fazer nada nela
08:07<Golfgeo>ranix, taking a look, brb
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08:09<fenix>helpme please portuguese Brazil
08:09<dpkg>bt sux0rs. Bhutan, or bluetooth. British Telecom, or bittorrent
08:09<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:09<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
08:10<jm_>Golfgeo: in many files
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08:11<grzechu>guys, is there a reason to stay with custom kernel? I was using it to make all my hardware work, now it looks like all will work with kenrel from repo.
08:11<jm_>grzechu: there is if you want newer kernels for example
08:12<petemc>theres ackports for that
08:12<petemc>i havent compiled a kernel in years
08:12<grzechu>jm_: no, I dont. It is my desktop as long as my hardware works it fine for me
08:12<ranix>last time I had to compile one was a cross-compile for an arm processor
08:12<jm_>backports has old kernels too
08:12<ranix>that was two years ago give or take
08:13<grzechu>so, you suggestion is to back to repo ones?
08:13<amphi>grzechu: no need, unless you use special patches
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08:14<grzechu>why I'm asking, I want to install virtualbox, and there is no modules for my kernel, so more work to build it from sources, same with some other things
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08:15<Golfgeo>ranix, it's "related" to that file but holds the options for the modules that have been loaded. It's also a file that doesn't exist when no options are given at all...
08:15<padski>grzechu, do you package your custom kernel ?
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08:16<ranix>Golfgeo: arguments may be given in /etc/modules
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08:16<Golfgeo>raxis hmm, will try then :-)
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08:16<ranix>that's the only way I've ever done it, but I don't doubt there's another file
08:17<ranix>you can do module mumbo jumbo in a whole load of places
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08:36<padski>how do you use a capture on the right side of s/// in vim ?
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08:39<padski>jm_, sorry, like \1 \2 etc.
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08:40<jm_>padski: ahh, :help sub-replace-special
08:41<padski>jm_, exactly! except that my problem was self-inflicted confusion
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08:55<|HellTiger|>wo ist der unterschied zwischen xchat und xchat-gnome?
08:55<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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08:59<riganta>Hi, I have finally set up my imap server on my PC. I am trying to configure my mail client evolution. On the server tab i put the imap server ip address for imap and smtp but it is asking for a password when I try to connect
08:59<riganta>I haven't set any password, so what should I do ??
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09:02<Engywuck__>set a password?
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09:03<riganta>how to do so?
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09:04<Engywuck__>didn't you read the documentation?
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09:05<riganta>I have been reading docs for about a week trying to set up my imap server :)
09:05<riganta>nothing about setting up a password
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09:06<jm_>riganta: try specifing your Linux password
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09:07<Engywuck__>perhaps it's the same as for smtp server?
09:07<riganta>I did try the linux password and the smtp server but nothing did it
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09:09<petemc>riganta: what exactly were you reading for a week if it didnt cover authentication?
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09:17<riganta>there is part that talks about authentification with my ISP using CYRUS SASL but I thought that applied to sending emails with ISP relay
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09:18<Rhaven>hi #debian
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09:19<petemc>riganta: imap has nothing to do with sending mails
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09:21<riganta>yep that is true
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09:49<taeschd>dpkg: dependencies
09:49<dpkg>somebody said dependencies was one of the killer benefits of Debian. Packages have or provide dependencies on other packages. The packaging tools (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, etc.) automatically determine these dependencies and select additional packages for installation or removal if necessary, or may have to download deb files and do dpkg -i from time to time
09:50<taeschd>dpkg: check dependencies
09:50<taeschd>dpkg: apache2
09:50<dpkg>apache2 is probably a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - read the description of each and select the one right for you. Also read the docs: apache2-doc package. See /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian regarding configuration under Debian. #apache @
09:52<witte>!tell taeschd -about msg the bot
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09:52<witte>taeschd: not there is a chance that you will flood the channel at this moment, but just that you know there are alternative ways to get information :-)
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09:58<taeschd>dpkg: check dependencies
09:58<themill>!wayttd taeschd
09:58<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, taeschd?
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10:08<me>anyone alive to give me some help on dns?
10:11<me>I configured named.conf, but its not hammering the root servers for zone info, not sure if its bind or my lan settings
10:11<me>plus I'm sitting on BT's networks, which sucks deyond belief
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10:12<me>lwres should be trying to talk to the root servers, but its not
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10:13<sas67>im running wine and utorrent on debian server
10:13<sas67>alongside torrentflux b4rt
10:13<sas67>i would like to add ipfilter.dat to utorrent
10:13<me>b4rt - whats that mean?
10:14<sas67>its new version of flux
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10:14<sas67>hi me btw
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10:14<me>hi sas
10:14<sas67>in wine i have basic desktop
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10:15<witte>sas67: for what is it that you use wine?
10:15<me>I'm no help right now, I'm new to linux as a whole, sorry sas
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10:15<sas67>@witte,i use utorrent
10:16<witte>sas67: why don't you use a linux torrent client?
10:16<sas67>i do also
10:16<sas67>but some sites have issues with flux
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10:16<sas67>but not utorrent,so have both running to please all
10:17<sbex_>sas67: have you tried ktorrent yet?
10:17<NeonNero>is anyone able to help me configure a debian firewall with 2 nics and public ips on the "internal" network? (or at least point me in the right direction of a tutorial)
10:17<jm_>NeonNero: nope
10:18<NeonNero>i've put together a rough diagram of the network here:
10:18<sbex_>torrents in general are a quite resource intensive thing. so i would avoid any extra layers like wine or webservers
10:19<me>NeonNero, i'm trying the same general thing, I got a basic debian install with iproute
10:19<jm_>!iptabales tutorial
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10:19<jm_>!iptables tutorial
10:19<dpkg>iptables tutorial is, like,
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10:19<me>use mii-tool to max the connection type
10:20<me>its prolly sitting on half-duplex
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10:21<me>NeonNero, have you got ur bind working really well? and does it sit behind a dhcp assigned IP?
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10:21<me>I don't have mirc or anything configured that will tell me anything about u or ur network
10:21<NeonNero>no dhcp, just direct ip configs as needed (we have a /26 network here)
10:23<sbex_>NeonNero: the iptables tutorial contains a few nice examples to abstract from
10:23<me>this is the best diagram on iptables that I have seen :
10:23<NeonNero>my major issue so far is how to configure /etc/network/interfaces.... i imagine iptables will be a breeze once that's overwith
10:24<sbex_>NeonNero: there is also a networking HOWTO
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10:24<me>if you IP isn't dhcp assigned (internet side), you shouldn't have a problem, make sure there's an entry on the dns server inside in the network for your gateway and that each machine uses that IP as the gateway
10:25<sbex_>me: i think you mix your situation and his situation
10:26<me>;( prolly
10:26<me>its making me really sad
10:27<sbex_>i am not a bind expert, i only use djbdns as an external dns cache. so i am not of much use here :)
10:28<me>if you IP is static, then set it to the one you ISP gave u
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10:28<me>your internal one is something thats down to you
10:28<NeonNero>dns is not the issue... the nic setup is... i imagine a bridge might be needed, but elephino how to set that up
10:29<me>iptables and MASQUERADE/mangle, use tc qdisc for QoS
10:29<dpkg>Bridges link two or more network segments that use the same network technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same, i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reduce network traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), and also to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same network protocol. <bridge setup>.
10:29<sbex_>NeonNero: yeah, thats why a common networking HOWTO would be good for a start to understand the concepts. when you know what you need you can take the next step to wonder how you get that working on debian
10:29<witte>!bridge setup
10:29<dpkg>Install the bridge-utils package and read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz. It contains basic and advanced bridge configuration examples ('dhcp' can be used in place of 'static'). IP forwarding does _not_ need to be enabled.
10:30<Baggy2>Within a makefile, is there a command like $1 to get the first makefile argument? I mean if I want to export a variable in the beginning of the makefile before e.g. all:
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10:31<me>whats up with ports 1026,1027 and 1028, its something thats being scanned for?
10:32<witte>me: grep 1026 /etc/services
10:33<me>not defined
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10:34<me>windows service prolly
10:34<witte>me: should mean that it is a port that is not used by a normal service
10:35<me>isn't that an RPC port?
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10:39<Level1Tech>those ports are deprecated or unassigned
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10:40<rjent>Greetings, I am stuck on this bug could someone assist in getting my sid system back up?
10:41<witte>rjent: dpkg -P libdjvulibre15 and afterwards apt-get install libdjvulibre21
10:41<witte>rjent: maybe you need to do apt-get install -f before, not certain but apt will tell you
10:42<rjent>witte: I think I have tried this but let me see again hang on
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10:42<witte>rjent: btw, that was nicely mentioned in the bugreport
10:42<rjent>witte: yes and I think I see my problem, I made a typo, hang on just a bit more
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10:44<me>lresd is listening on udp 1026
10:44<witte>rjent: it seems also that there could be some additional problems, which i did not experience on my system
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10:46<rjent>witte: I think I am up again, but I had not updated my sid in a bit and it actually made it not boot so I had to boot up from a debian-live cd and mount in for rescue.
10:46<rjent>witte: Let me reboot from rescue and see if all is well again.
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10:47<cyrax>For some weird reason I cannot access the contents of a directory on my USB drive (ext3 filesystem) anymore. When I cd as root to the directory and hit "ls" is says - ls: reading directory .: Input/output error. All the other directories in the same drive are readable. Any idea how I can fix this?
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10:50<bma>cyrax, have you tried fscking it?
10:52<cyrax>bma, I tried fsck.ext3 -c /dev/sda but it refuses to run the check " Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
10:52<cyrax>fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda"
10:53<cahoot>maybe give it a partiton number?
10:53<cyrax>cahoot, my bad. I missed out the sda1
10:54<cahoot>no capital offence
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10:59<me>should I be chroot'in bind?
11:00<azeem>me: should you run bind at all if you need to ask?
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11:01<me>I don't understand
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11:03<RedProphet>me, he means yes
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11:14<Cyorxamp>Lo, does Etch support CIFS out of the box?
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11:14<witte>Cyorxamp: i think so
11:14<witte>Cyorxamp: apt-cache search cifs
11:15<Cyorxamp>I just see a load of lib like packages
11:15<Cyorxamp>However a quick google suggests altho smbfs was a package, cifs is built into the kernel
11:15<azeem>Cyorxamp: cifs is a file system
11:15<Cyorxamp>But not sure if its in the kernel that comes with Etch
11:15<azeem>sure it is
11:15<Cyorxamp>My fstab line works with 'smbfs' but not with 'cifs', claims invalid filesystem
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11:16<dpkg>hmm... cifs is Common Internet File System or see <SMB>, or it is basically SMB without <NBT>
11:16<witte>Cyorxamp: grep -i CIFS /boot/config-2.6.18-6-686
11:16<dpkg>i heard smb is Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see <CIFS>, or Super Mario Brothers, or ask me about <samba>
11:16<azeem>oh man
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11:16<Cyorxamp>Why on earth are you teaching me what they are when I already know
11:16<NeonNero>oh-kay.... one down, one to go
11:17<azeem>Cyorxamp: I hoped there would be more useful output
11:17<azeem>Cyorxamp: did you run witte's command yet?
11:18<Cyorxamp>I did, I get nothing back
11:18<azeem>that's a result
11:18<Cyorxamp>ah sorry, something was crashing at the time - I do infact get something back
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11:19<Cyorxamp>and a bunch of commented out lines claiming things 'is not set'
11:19<witte>Cyorxamp: and if you want to mount stuff using cifs, you need smbfs (partially output of apt-file search mount.cifs is "smbfs: sbin/umount.cifs")
11:19<azeem>so you might have to load a kernel module if you do things manually
11:19<witte>Cyorxamp: that means it's a module
11:19<Cyorxamp>witte, I don't want to use smbfs... I'm told cifs is now recommended and smbfs is deprecated
11:19<azeem>witte: I thought mount does cifs natively now
11:20<witte>Cyorxamp: mount.cifs is just part of the smbfs package
11:20<witte>azeem: ah, could be
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11:20<Cyorxamp>lol your right
11:21<Cyorxamp>I didn't even retest my cifs line in fstab when I had apt-getted smbfs
11:21<Cyorxamp>it should be cifsfs!
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11:21<witte>Cyorxamp: common internet file system file system?
11:22<themill>Cyorxamp: cifs works for me (i.e. cifs not cifsfs)
11:22<Cyorxamp>yeah dunna worry it works now
11:22<Cyorxamp>I'm just gonna have to remember cifs isn't there out of the box... I infact need to get smbfs first to use both it and also smbfs
11:23<azeem>Cyorxamp: depends on what "box" you got
11:23<Cyorxamp>thank you :P
11:23<azeem>I bet it's there if you selected one of the desktop tasks
11:23<Cyorxamp>Just a normal CD1 install of gnome on Etch r3
11:23<Cyorxamp>which is a first for me as I normally go for XFCE
11:24<witte>Cyorxamp: probably if you would have selected fileserver in the setup, you would have had cifs
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11:25<azeem>Cyorxamp: do you have libgnomevfs2-extras installed?
11:25<azeem>eh, libgnomevfs2-extra
11:25<Cyorxamp>no, but I do have the thunar equivalent - why?
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11:26<azeem>eh, you said you installed gnome
11:26<Cyorxamp>it is gnome, but I've already ditched nautilus for thunar
11:26<azeem>so you replaced your "box" with something else, then complained it doesn't work "out of the box"
11:27<azeem>well, anyway
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11:27<Cyorxamp>I don't see how a file manager affects mounts
11:27<azeem>nautilus does cifs
11:27<Cyorxamp>thats a bizzare thing to say you know
11:27<azeem>or rather "Connect to server..."
11:27<Cyorxamp>I don't want to view them in nautilus
11:27<Cyorxamp>I said from the beginning this was in fstab
11:28<azeem>you asked whether etch supports cifs out of the box
11:28<azeem>let's stop argueing and pretend we're both right
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11:28<Cyorxamp>ok so you're saying I should have asked if cifs filesystem was supported out of the box
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11:29<Cyorxamp>fair enough
11:29<azeem>well, I was kinda worried etch wouldn't support it out of the box, so started researching
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11:30<Cyorxamp>see what confused me was some random post I found saying cifs was in the kernel - so I expected it to be there without needing to install smbfs package
11:30<witte>Cyorxamp: it is in the kernel
11:30<witte>Cyorxamp: ext3 is also in the kernel
11:31<Cyorxamp>ok the filesystem for mounting part then
11:31<witte>Cyorxamp: but to mount a device with ext3, you need the mount package
11:31<Cyorxamp>all I know is it only recognized the name of that filesystem - AFTER smbfs package was installed
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11:33<themill>Cyorxamp: aiui, using the filesystem is already within the kernel (the cifs module). Mounting the filesystem requires you to either perform some voodoo to get the kernel to mount the filesystem, or install the mount.cifs binary. So the etch *kernel* does cifs out of the box (and many file managers do too), but to mount the filesystem you need the smbfs package.
11:33<ranix>or you can do your own voodoo to gain access to a CIFS yourself without mount, as is the case with some router firmwares
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11:55<Droo>lost page write due to I/O error on loop0". They coincided with a disk automatically being remounted read only, so my first thought was that the disk had bad blocks, but it IS hardware raid, and "badblocks /dev/sda 4000" doesn't pick up any bad blocks, also, which device is loop0 ? Also, if I have a 3w-xxx card, can I query the card within linux to see the raid status, and determine if the...
11:55<Droo>Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could help me out, I've been getting errors like "Buffer I/O error on device loop0, logical block 65
11:55<Droo> controller knows about an issue?
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12:09<Engywuck__>raid controllers mounted on loop device?
12:09<Engywuck__>aren't they md or something?
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12:15<Guest2685>Please gibe me the website to change the look of the ubuntu-desktop again, please
12:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:26<dpkg>well, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>, or me.
12:26<kmap>Hmm... about me?
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12:27<kmap>Oops. Guess dpkg doesn't know much about me. :-)
12:27<kmap>cogwheel: :-D
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12:28<dpkg>i heard canada is not America. Or at least that's what we keep telling ourselves, eh?, or in merger talks with Australia
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12:29<ranix>!stop playing with the bot
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12:32<Snadder>I'm intrested in the UltimateDebianDatabase project of SummerOfCode.. who knows about that?
12:32<themill>dpkg: dpkg =~ s/, or me/. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>./
12:32<dpkg>themill: OK
12:32<Snadder>None is alive in #debian-soc
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12:33<azeem>Snadder: how long did you wait?
12:33<Snadder>not very long :-p
12:33<azeem>so there.
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12:34<Snadder>I was mainly wondring where I could find some sample data from projectdb and mole
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12:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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13:03<Engywuck__>Snadder, I don't think actual work has already be done
13:04<Engywuck__>or go to the #debian-soc channel
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13:04<Engywuck__> Application period: March 24th-31st
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13:04<Snadder>I've sen the link.. and I am in the channel
13:04<Snadder>I've also asked the mentors about it
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13:16<sbex_>Snadder: have you tried emailing the 2 project mentors yet?
13:17<Snadder>no.. only contacting them at irc
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13:20<sbex_>Snadder: until somebody replies on IRC you can poke some information about mole on and about the ftp-master related data starting here
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13:21<sbex_>Snadder: there is also lots of interesting information here:
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13:22<Snadder>sbex_, thx
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13:23<Cyorxamp>Lo I want to install wine-doors but it need the sid version of python-gnome2-desktop - its not in backports from what I can tell... am I best just getting the .DEB file and hoping the best?
13:23<sbex_>Snadder: there is quite some things to learn and understand before you can actually start working with coding work
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13:24<Snadder>sbex_, like what?
13:24<sbex_>working with work? hm. i hope you know what i try to say
13:24<Snadder>sbex_, I got lots of experience with postgresql already
13:25<sbex_>Snadder: well. before you are able to write code to handle masses of data its helpful to know what the data is about
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13:25<Snadder>sbex_, Yep.. Thats right. Trying to find out.
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13:27<sbex_>Snadder: there is different points of view to look at "debian related data". the most common way is to look at data that is related to packages which is kept in the PTS
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13:27<Snadder>PTS is?
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13:27<sbex_>PTS is the package tracking system
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13:27<dpkg>methinks pts is
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13:28<sbex_>yin: fail
13:28<dpkg>Test Failed.
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13:32<sbex_>for some strange reason my debian web is at
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13:32<sbex_>never noticed that before
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13:33<padski>sbex_, same here, and I can't easily see why
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13:34<padski>(unless google told me to do it)
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13:34<sbex_>padski: in the upper right corner is a selection. must be new
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13:35<witte>sbex_: probably it is chosen after your language selection in your browser?
13:36<sbex_>witte: yeah, thats possible
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13:36<sbex_>such things are usually announced on debian-www@lists.d.o?
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13:38<sbex_>hm. i wonder how all the developers manage to keep track of all the interesting stuff that is going on
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13:40<sbex_>the debian weekly news were very useful
13:40<dpkg>Debian Weekly News at . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to
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13:40<padski>July 3rd, 2007 ?
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13:41<sbex_>yeah, all the work was done by Joey. and i think he stopped doing it
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13:43<themill>padski: joey stopped work on dwn in the fall out from the dunk-tank thing prior to the etch release.
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13:44<sbex_>themill: i think that was just the last "impulse" :)
13:45<themill>possibly true. dwn is sadly missed
13:45<sbex_>he asked many times that people help and contribute. but nobody cared as far as i know
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13:46<jaakko>One thing I wonder.. is asking people to contribute developing web pages. Is it really true that there is not enough volunteers? I assumed that many people would like to write html pages than bug fixes...
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13:46<themill>jaakko: noone wants to write documentation...
13:46<sbex_>jaakko: i am not a developer at all, but i think any kind of help is appreciated
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13:47<witte>I agree, that there is work for everyone
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13:47<sbex_>so i should sit here and bring coffee to all the hard working programmers :)
13:47<witte>and the debian webpage does not seem very, mmmm how to say this nicely, modern...
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13:47<jaakko>sbex_: yes, but there might be a lot of controversary opinions about correct layout for debian?
13:48<sbex_>jaakko: you can bet on that :)
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13:49<jaakko>I like simple pages that work fast and easy to browse but I think those pages really matter when someone is choosing his distro first time.
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13:50<sbex_>yeah, i like that also
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13:51<sbex_>well structured HTML and CSS maybe with some added DOM and XML
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13:52<witte>i agree, they must be simple and clean, but the debian looks archaic if you compare it a few other possible sites
13:52<eric_>Anyone running wow with wine on ubuntu ?
13:52<sbex_>!tell eric_ about ubuntu
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13:54<sbex_>witte: the current DPL inspired some discussions about that lately on the mailing lists
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13:56<witte>sbex_: well, i can imagine (don't follow all the mailinglists ;-)), there work to be done, but in the end it comes near to someone who has to do it...
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13:57<jaakko>web page contest might be good inspiration for people
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13:57<jaakko>then voting for the best page
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14:00<sbex_>point is that many debian developers have a conservative point of view. that is a strong point of the distribution. but it makes changes harder :)
14:00<padski>jaakko, who gets to vote ?
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14:01<jaakko>padski: anyone? But yes, it would be difficult to block multiple votes without authentication.
14:01<sbex_>so when you made an awesome website its better you make that in such a way so you can re-use it for own things in case nobody likes it
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14:02<jaakko>padski: or some debian developers who are "insiders" (I don't know the politics)
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14:03<sbex_>but i think i am totally offtopic right now
14:03<jaakko>Writing a web page is not that big job and I think there are many good design people out there. They just don't want to start arguing and doing group work.
14:04<sbex_>jaakko: i think the core of the web stuff is there:
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14:05<miroslav>je tu nekdo?
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14:05<bma>Is there a way to stop SSH from adding IP addresses to ~/.ssh/known_hosts, and just store the hostname? I have a dynamic IP, so storing it just means I get the same key repeated over and over.
14:05<Scurz>miroslav: you must speak in english here :)
14:06<jaakko>sbex_: was that the right link?
14:06<Nu_Bee>Hi there.. I'm quite new to X and all the stuff on my Lenny. Can you please tell me how to disable X (and Gnome) loading while booting ? I want my simple console back and start/stop X as I wish.
14:06<dpkg>hmm... cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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14:07<noflash>!tell Nu_Bee -about no gdm
14:07<sbex_>jaakko: i am not sure if that SVN source contains everything web related, but it contains the package tracking system
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14:08<Nu_Bee>noflash: thanks but it doesn't tell, what script to edit or what file to delete around /etc/init.d .. ?
14:09<jaakko>Nu_Bee: There are many ways.. remove your display manager "aptitude remove gdm"
14:10<jaakko>Nu_Bee: if it is /etc/init.d/gdm you can add "exit 0" at beginning of the script.
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14:10<Nu_Bee>Hm. okay, yepp that's it, I'd like to go the 2nd way since I would like to be able to start Gnome at any time with startx.
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14:11<Nu_Bee>Thanks. ;)
14:11<bma>Nu_Bee, you don't need gdm installed to use startx.
14:11<jaakko>Nu_Bee: you can start gnome without gdm..
14:11<jaakko>Nu_Bee: and installing gdm takes only a few moments "aptitude install gdm"
14:11<bma>But Gnome may not let you uninstall gdm, I'm not certain.
14:11<fxiny>bma: man ssh_config
14:12<bma>fxiny, CheckHostIP stops it checking the IP but doesn't seem to stop it saving the IP, and I can't see any other relevant options in there.
14:13<Nu_Bee>Hm I misundertand something.. first, I'd like to remove Gnome via apt-get remove. This is okay, I just don't like the look and feel (I prefer Fluxbox now for simple browsing. Faster.) I want to get rid of X starting up - but have X installed if I need it, still.
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14:14<jaakko>Nu_Bee: you can have X and fluxbox installed, remove gnome and gdm. Just "startx" and there it is..
14:14<azeem>Nu_Bee: to get rid of X starting up, /msg dpkg nodm
14:14<jaakko>Nu_Bee: perhaps you have to write a ".xinitrc" also to start a few programs, but that's all.
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14:15<Nu_Bee>on the other hand my Lenny runs on my VMWare VM under XP ;), all behind my Linksys router and I'm accessing the Debian via ssh tunneled VNC session. vncserver doesn't show anything else except a terminal window when connecting onto it, I'm a little bit confused now (I wanted my Gnome desktop appearing..) hm.
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14:16<Nu_Bee>jaakko: thanks, I think I'll try the easier way -> azeem. But still thanks.
14:16<Nu_Bee>(you may laugh - simple problems) :))
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14:17<jaakko>I'm not laughing, that wmwareXPsshvncgnome is stressing my brains too much :-|
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14:18<Nu_Bee>pfff :))) you know it's my lame-ness, not VMWare ;)))
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14:20<Nu_Bee>echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager ->>>> WORKS :) Thanks. That's what I wanted.
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14:22<Nu_Bee>Off: Do you know btw if DNS queries to a homepage (initiated by a browser like Opera) will be passed to a squid web proxy via 3128 or not ?
14:22<yakumo>Hi all. I have a question and need some advice.
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14:23<yakumo>I have installed debian etch, then my friend upgrade to lenny/sid. Anyway, I installed a 686 distribution because I did not know that amd64 was also for intel
14:23<jpiccolo>how do i find what domain i am on?
14:23<yakumo>now I want to use the 64 bit kernel, but my question is
14:23<yakumo>what is better:
14:23<yakumo>Just download the kernel image for 64 bit
14:23<yakumo>reinstall a new 64 bit distro?
14:24<yakumo>of course just only downloading the kernel saves me much time, but I don't know if this will produce problems
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14:24<bma>yakumo, you'll almost certainly need to reinstall.
14:25<jaakko>jpiccolo: why asking? installing debian? usually it does not metter what you type in it.
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14:25<jpiccolo>well i want it to be on the same domain as my other pc
14:26<jpiccolo>actually i am install debain in a vm on top of my debain pc, the vm is going to be a server for web dev
14:26<jpiccolo>so i can get the server set up how i want and get use to it before buy a ded hosting package
14:26<yakumo>bma so there is no miraculous "apt-get dist-upgrade64" or something like that, there is?
14:27<jpiccolo>yakumo, the whole system is different
14:27<yakumo>ok, now another question then
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14:28<yakumo>I have nvidia drivers that needs to compile a kernel module. If the source is the one of the 64bit kernel, there should not be any problem, am I wrong?
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14:30<yakumo>well, I suppose there wont be any problem
14:30<jaakko>jpiccolo: is domain name same as host name in this case(?)
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14:31<yakumo>Is 64bit version mature enough?
14:32<yakumo>ok, thanks
14:32<yakumo>see ya in a 64 bit version 8)
14:32<bma>Unless you want proprietary things like Flash, Skype, etc.
14:32<yakumo>no, just want to use C
14:32<yakumo>C++, wxwidgets and python
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14:33<yakumo>well, returning to Vista to download an burn amd64 8)
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14:35<jaakko>I burned a cd with cdburn but id did not boot.. do you know what should be added to the command to get booting? or is this more like device/driver problem?
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14:36<jaakko>The image was ok, I did it in WinXP after failing in debian.
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14:40<shivraj>my box is broken .... help
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14:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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14:41<shivraj>X freezes, I recently installed ati non-free driver and some applets on the gnome panel ... heh all of them ...
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14:41<azeem>shivraj: does reverting to the free ati driver help?
14:41<shivraj>how do you revert ?
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14:41<shivraj>plus I dont know if gnome is messing up ... I am using Lenny
14:41<azeem>how did you install the non-free driver?
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14:42<shivraj>its a debian package
14:42<EmleyMoor>Whenever I boot up this machine, I don't quite get the sound card order I want, though if I remove the headset and force-reload alsa, it puts it right - why would there be a difference?
14:42<azeem>shivraj: when does X freeze? directly on startup, or when you do something specific? or at random times?
14:42<shivraj>azeem: directly on startup
14:43<EmleyMoor>(I still don't get quite what I intend if I boot up with the headset absent)
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14:43<shivraj>azeem: the non free ati driver worked ... I installed all of those apps I think thats causing the problem
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14:43<azeem>shivraj: they might expose a problem with the driver
14:43<shivraj>how do I revert back to free driver ?
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14:44<E0x>jaakko: check the md5 of the image file , maybe it get corrupted
14:44<E0x>for burn a image you only need burn as image to the cd/dvd
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14:45<shivraj>I mean applets .. fish, sys mon, etc .......... todo notes etc.
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14:47<amiyo>hello everyone
14:47<shivraj>let me try removing xorg and gnome
14:47<amiyo>i hv a problem
14:47<amiyo>anyone help?
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14:47<azeem>shivraj: try with a new user first, maybe
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14:48<azeem>shivraj: and then add the applets one by oen
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14:49<shivraj>azeem ok
14:49<shivraj>yep guest user works
14:50<EmleyMoor>!tell i_need_help about ask
14:50<i_need_help>no one to help???ok leaving :-(
14:50<shivraj>i_need_help ask away
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14:50<shivraj>i_need_help : we are all aliens on a distant planet ... here to help you
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14:51<i_need_help>once i set my eth0 to static IP, and now i cannot get it back to the dhcp
14:52<EmleyMoor>i_need_help: edit /etc/network/interfaces to put it back to dhcp
14:52<i_need_help>i dn know wht d pb, it now gets no ip add.but other os gets it right using the same connection
14:52*fxiny hearing of aliens , fires up his legendary wow signal power array detector
14:52<i_need_help>i did it all ...but no help
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14:53<EmleyMoor>What "it all" did you do? What does your eth0 stanza say?
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14:53<sbex_>i_need_help: what error do you get when you use dhclient to query your dhcp server?
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14:53<i_need_help>it sayz evthing nrmal except any ip add
14:53<EmleyMoor>Literally please
14:54<EmleyMoor>What you consider "Ânrmal" might be wrong
14:54<kjb>i_need_help: here is the line from my /etc/network/interfaqces just in case: iface eth0 inet dhcp
14:54<sbex_>i_need_help: copy the output of "dhclient eth0" do a paste website and show us the link
14:54*EmleyMoor was about to say exactly that :-)
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14:55<EmleyMoor>Both things :) :)
14:55<i_need_help>umm....i m using ubuntu 7.10, i tried to set up a gateway,set static ip to etho by mistake
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14:55<sbex_>if the manual dhcp request does not work you can save the time to modify /etc/network/interfaces and the reboot
14:55<sbex_>!tell i_need_help about ubuntu
14:55<fxiny>ubu ? that's the alien !
14:55<EmleyMoor>Clue: This is not #ubuntu
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14:56<fxiny>reboot ? no way
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14:57<fxiny>restart networking
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14:57<i_need_help>ok, switching....thnx guz(n.b restarting doesnt work)
14:57<sbex_>i_need_help: no need to come back until you use debian
14:58<leikh>an easy way to sort all possible 3 letter combinations to a textfile?
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14:58<EmleyMoor>Can dpkg (the bot) be given short aliases to things?
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14:59<themill>EmleyMoor: yes. dpkg: foo is <reply> see longer factoid name
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15:00<EmleyMoor>themill: I was more thinking making it possible to !tell people about bod
15:00<shivraj>azeem: how can I remove these applets from the panel ?
15:00<shivraj>is there a config file ?
15:00<sbex_>EmleyMoor: then you need to add "bod" as factoid and reference to another factoid like themill said
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15:02<themill>EmleyMoor: that syntax does exactly that. you have one factoid called "longer factoid name" and another one called "foo". When you ask for "foo" you get "longer factoid name". See, for example. "ssb" and "simple sit backport" (also ask dpkg for "literal ssb")
15:02<themill>EmleyMoor: have fun... (I'm off now)
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15:02<sbex_>point is the bot does not know a difference between an acronym and a sentence. it only checks if somebody defined a certain string
15:03<EmleyMoor>I see
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15:04<RattusRa1tus>hi guys. does anyone know of a method to exicute in place user space apps from a ramdisk?
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15:07<RattusRa1tus>yep - that looks at the kernel but not applications does it not?
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15:08<valdyn>far as i can se its only there for ext2 filesystem
15:08<valdyn>RattusRa1tus: whats the point of this?
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15:10<amphi>sbex_: BTW, I discovered why sshd was crashing here
15:10<valdyn>RattusRa1tus: ramdisk obviously has to be filled first, and the executable has to be loaded to do that, just like with normal execute
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15:11<RattusRa1tus>I have an embedded system that I wish to download (via a radio network) want to run an arbitery app but don't have any persistant file store. I can store the app on a ram disk but to exicute it without XiP is just wasteful of RAM
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15:14<RattusRa1tus>Thats the puupy - looks good. will have a play thanks
15:14<jedusor1>hi i wanna find all the files which finiched by .sh in directori and recursively .but the path to the file must not be show someone can help me please
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15:15<jedusor1>i'v tried with "find . -name "*.sh" | cut -d "/.sh" -f 2"
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15:16<Engywuck>try basename
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15:17<shivraj>azeem: its fixed I removed applets ..
15:18<jedusor1>i 'v read the man but i dont understand how to use it whith
15:18<Supaplex>jedusor1: no path either? maybe find . -name \*.sh -exec basename '{}' .sh \;
15:18<sbex_>amphi: i am curious, what was the issue?
15:18<fxiny>for file in dir/*.sh; do basename $file ;done
15:18<Engywuck>essentially: use -exec in find
15:18<Engywuck>or like that :)
15:18<Engywuck>find . -name "*.sh" -exec basename {} sh \;
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15:19<Supaplex>jedusor1: no path either? maybe find . -name \*.sh | sed s/.sh$//
15:19<Supaplex>er nm that
15:19<Engywuck>ah, supa you were faster
15:19<Supaplex>Engywuck: {} w/o '{}' is a pitfal of using find (spaces will expand to multiple args)
15:19<Supaplex>jedusor1: the latter example was for 'with paths'
15:20<Engywuck>-exec rm {} worked always for me
15:20<Engywuck>even with spaces
15:20<fxiny>mine works too
15:20<amphi>sbex_: turned out it was the fingerprint reader, presumably the pam module; uninstalling it restored sanity
15:20<Supaplex>strange... there must be a much older release that bit be before
15:20<amphi>sbex_: it has vanished from testing since I installed it ;)
15:20<Engywuck>sed s/^.*\/\(*\)\.sh/\1/
15:20<Engywuck>should work too
15:20<fxiny>that's a tribal tattoo :P
15:20<fxiny>Supaplex: :))
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15:21<sbex_>amphi: speaking of ssh and pam. do you know of an up to date guide how certain modules can be used?
15:21<Engywuck>just tested
15:21<Engywuck>touched "test1 and "test 1"
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15:21<amphi>sbex_: 'fraid not
15:22<Engywuck>find . -name "ts*1" -exec rm {} \;
15:22<Engywuck>did remove both
15:22<sbex_>the "Securing Debian HOWTO" looked very promising. but for a sad reason it was never finished and never updated
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15:22<Supaplex>sbex_: for the terse version, "Securing Linux with init 0" hehehe
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15:23<fxiny>init 0 ? heheheeh
15:23*Supaplex still uses init 0 when halt will do. old habbits die hard.
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15:24<Engywuck>init 6 would be grater
15:24<Engywuck>in grub command line, of course :)
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15:26<Engywuck>a friend of mine managed to set /. on his system to 466
15:26<valentin>y a t il des français ??
15:26<Engywuck>result: root couldn't log in - perfect security :)
15:26<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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15:32<scout>Hello, I have googled like crazy but I am having trouble removing mailscanner. When I run apt-get remove mailscanner it gets an init script error. invoke-rc.d: initscript mailscanner, action "stop" failed.
15:32<scout>can anyone help with removing a package?
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15:40<_ZeuZ_>Guys, what could possibly be going wrong with Iptables that drops: iptables: Too many links ????
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15:46<_ZeuZ_>Guys, what could possibly be going wrong with Iptables that drops: iptables: Too many links ????
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15:50<jaakko>_ZeuZ_: is it when you try remove something? there might be some rule pointing to that...
15:52<_ZeuZ_>well, I took the chance and removed all rules before executing it (-X and -F)
15:52<_ZeuZ_>Still it seemed to work itself out xD
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15:53<_ZeuZ_>How's it going jaakko?
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15:56<user_>hi @ll bekommt man hilfe in deutsch ?
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15:58<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
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15:58<abrotman>oh .. german .. duh
15:59<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:23<tymonn>to mount my NTFS disks
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16:23<tymonn>how do i know the "hda" 'id'
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16:23<tymonn>to mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/C -o umask=0,nls=utf8
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16:40<enkrypt>I do a fresh debian testing install on my laptop, works fine. i do an apt-get upgrade, which upgrades the kernel and installs a new one, and now neithe kernel boots anymore, complaining about not finding things from the init script... what is up?
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16:46<enkrypt>I do a fresh debian testing install on my laptop, works fine. i do an apt-get upgrade, which upgrades the kernel and installs a new one, and now neithe kernel boots anymore, complaining about not finding things from the init script... what is up?
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16:55<mirod>hi al all
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16:56<mirod>ª 21.10 couldn't find device with uuid................
16:56<mirod>couldn't find all physical volumes for volume group club
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16:56<mirod>i cant start the system after adding a phisical drive encrypted with luks
16:56<NeoJew>How can I tell if my ATI drivers were installed properly? I think it went OK with Aptitude, but...
16:57<NeoJew>I still can't set my resolution about 1024x768
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17:30<valdyn>mirod: lvm fails to create a vg because you altered one physical volume
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17:31<valdyn>enkrypt: the testing installer is not for general use, only for debugging / beta testing
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17:56<mirod>valdyn: is etch
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18:04<evilmanu>what happen with xmms?
18:05<Torsten_W>it's gone
18:05<evilmanu>and why xmms2 haven't gui?
18:05<evilmanu>is only txt
18:05<Torsten_W>why should it?
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18:05<evilmanu>for easier use of xmms2
18:06<Torsten_W>there are many guis around, who can connect to xmms2
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18:06<evilmanu>aha, xmms2 is use like a server
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18:06<witte>evilmanu: audacious is a xmms replacement
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18:10<witte>evilmanu: amarok is an other alternative, a bit heavier thoug
18:10<inseino>guys is is possible to mount nfs over the internet without tunneling... just two external IP addresses? thanks
18:10<witte>inseino: possible or not is not the question ,it is unsafe
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18:11<witte>inseino: unless you mean internet behind a nat, with known and respectable users at your side of the nat
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18:13<inseino>witte: so how do I export directories for someone behind the NAT? thanks
18:14<witte>inseino: sshfs could be a possibility
18:14<inseino>witte: do I just export dirs for IP of the NAT server?
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18:15<dpkg>methinks sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <>, FAQ is at <>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group)
18:16<witte>inseino: that other person wants to use your data, and he/she is on a nat, using linux?
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18:18<inseino>witte: I have a server on net ( external IP ) the other person is somewehere on the internet behind NAT. how can I export dirs for him? Please do not take security to the consideration at the momemt..
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18:19<witte>inseino: set up a http or ftp server in that case, although i still think sshfs would be best if you just want to mount it
18:20<evilmanu>is possible do this if the server is behind NAT?
18:20<witte>evilmanu: if you can configure the router, yes
18:20<witte>evilmanu: and sshfs is possible if you can reach the other pc
18:21<witte>evilmanu: if you can ssh to it that is
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18:21<evilmanu>if I'm internet of network, I have no problem to connect with sshfs
18:21<evilmanu>but from extern I cannot
18:22<inseino>witte: I'm acctually thinking about webdav :-) so you saying it is possible but not recommended..
18:22<evilmanu>and I cannot configure the server
18:24<Zathras>hi. On Etch I wonder if there is a mod_proxy for apache 1.3. Is there a package or should I compile it myself?
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18:24<witte>inseino: i do really not know webdav (had a quick look at wikipedia) but i would think you could better use subversion (which works with ssh, and works on windows as well iirc)
18:25<witte>evilmanu: I am not quite sure, but i believe you just need ssh shell access to the server if you want to use sshfs
18:25<witte>evilmanu: but i could be wrong about that
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18:26<inseino>witte: great...thanks for your help....
18:26<witte>inseino: in any case, what would you want to achieve with your server, which services do you want to have?
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18:28<hatter>I have taken a tarball of a system with ide, then untar'ed it on sata drives, what is needed to update the initramfs ?
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18:30<witte>hatter: i believe adding the needed modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, and update-initramfs
18:30<witte>hatter: but better first check the update-initramfs man page
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18:32<hatter>witte, ah, must be adding the modules i missed, though i think the stock kernel has the sata drivers already ?
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18:32<witte>hatter: depends
18:33<witte>hatter: there are sata drivers in the kernel
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18:34<hatter>witte, yep, thx, i will check
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18:36<viki>hi All, Can anybody help me how to configure the connectors of an AD1985 sound card (integrated on the motherboard)? I would like to have 4 output channels and a microphone input, but right now I have 2 outputs + 2 line in + mic.
18:37<hudu>help? ... I'm getting no picture, no monitor, no visual ... I loaded Debian 4.0 r2 onto my IBM ThinkPad. Everything looked great during the setup but after it finished and I tried to boot, the monitor is blank. The monitor worked during the install. AND Damn Small Linux works fine and I can see everything great.
18:37<hudu>any suggestions?
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18:37<witte>hudu: does ctrl-alt-f1 give you a console login?
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18:38<hudu>witte: I'll try that ... first I need to reboot again ... I've got DSL running at the moment
18:39<inseino>witte: I just want to mount it to my filesystem and have it always ready for access without entering passwords and user names..:-)
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18:41<witte>inseino: i have that with sshfs: made it user mountable, and have passwordless ssh towards the server...
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18:42<inseino>witte: you right probably that is the way to go. I guess it is going to be a bit slower just because ssh overhead...well everything has its price..thanks man..
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18:43<hudu>witte: no help with alt-ctrl-f1 ... any other suggestions?
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18:45<hatter>hudu, ctrl-alt-backspace is for killing X
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18:46<hudu>sorry ... I dropped my connection for a minute (If there was any answer for me)
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18:47<hatter>hudu,, ctrl-alt-backspace is for restart X
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18:47<hatter>if its on a network you may be able to ssh into it
18:47<hatter>and see the logs
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18:51<hudu>hatter: I'm still getting nothing with ctrl-alt-backspace
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18:51<hatter>hudo, can you ping the machine ?
18:52<google>Any ja used the system gOS?
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18:53<hatter>the next thing to do if not is boot from a livecd and chroot into your install, turn gdm off, see if you can get a console
18:53<hudu>hatter: I'm still a bit of a nooob ... would you be willing to talk me through "pinging" my machine? by the way, the computer I'm talking to you on at the moment is running LinuxMint and is sitting next to the one I'm having trouble with. The two are connected to a router.
18:53<witte>hatter, he has damn small linux
18:53<witte>he can chroot to it from that
18:54<hudu>I can run the "problem machine" just fine with damn small linux
18:55<witte>hudu: can you log into damn small linux, mount your root debian partition, and chroot to that
18:55*avocado dances
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18:56<sime>if I use a proxy with firefox on my Lan,Will I Use the dns server specified in /etc/resolv.conf or the dns server of the squid proxy?
18:57<hudu>witte: I would love to try ... sorry, but I don't know what "chroot" means
18:57<hatter>sime, proxy is seperate to dns
18:58<sime>so I will use the local proxy and if they cache the request the will know were I have been even with seeting my proxy
18:58<witte>hudu: no problem, it is just opening a terminal, cd to the "/" partition of debian (that you have for instance mounted on /mnt/debian) and do "chroot ."
18:58<hatter>hudu, i am a bit time constrained to talk you through chroot'ing, where is your machine getting its ip address from ?
18:58<hudu>I'm booting to DSL now
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18:58<hudu>a router, I guess
18:59<hatter>follow witte first then
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18:59*witte takes the lead
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18:59<hudu>DSL is up and running ... terminal is open ... do I need to be root or not?
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19:00<witte>hudu: are all your partition already mounted?
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19:00<witte>hudu: some distros do that by default
19:00<witte>if not, you need to become root to mount
19:00<hudu>not mounted from DSL ... I've never mounted from DSL before
19:00<witte>hudu, ok no problem, do you know which partition is your debian root?
19:00<hudu>I did ~$ sudo su
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19:01<witte>hudu: most likely something like /dev/sda1 or so
19:01<hudu>the HD is entirely debian
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19:01<hudu>in the /dev directory, ls sd* does show sdq
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19:02<witte>hudu: ok, do the following: mkdir temp;mount /dev/sda1 temp
19:03<witte>hudu: should be no output
19:03<hudu>make the directory in the /dev directory?
19:03<witte>hudu: next: cd temp
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19:03<witte>hudu: no, not in /dev
19:03<witte>hudu: make it in ~
19:04<witte>hudu: that is the home dir of root, or the home dir of your main user, whatever
19:04<hudu>how about in the /mnt dierctory?
19:04<witte>hudu: also very nice :-)
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19:05<viki>hi All, Can anybody help me how to configure the connectors of an AD1985 sound card (integrated on the motherboard)? I would like to have 4 output channels and a microphone input, but right now I have 2 outputs + 2 line in + mic.
19:06<hudu>I'm in the /mnt directory (as sudo su). I did #mkdir temp. I typed in #mount /dev/sda1 temp
19:07<hudu>I'm getting mount: relocation error: mount: undefined symbol1: blkid_unknown_fstype
19:07<hudu>I didn't type in the "#" ... that's already there
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19:07<witte>hudu: are you sure that sda1 is not your swap partition
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19:08<hudu>I have no idea if sda1 is anything already. how do I find out?
19:08<witte>hudu: do "dmesg > /root/dmesg_output" and upload it to a pastebin
19:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:09<hudu>I'll got to pastebin ... what should I paste there?
19:10<hudu>oh ... I see. sorry I have trouble keeping up ... I'll do the dmesg thing
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19:10<witte>hudu: you are doing fine, just tell me if i go to fast
19:11<hudu>thank you thank you thank you for your patience ... give me a minute to do the dmesg thing
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19:15<witte>hudu: just thought of something: in debian, your system booted ok, it just stopped when you would expect a graphical login, right? it is not that it blacked right away or after login, or whatever (just to make sure we are solving the same problem)
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19:16<hudu>okay, let's see:
19:17<hudu>I never got to see the gdm page
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19:17<hudu>yes. It never gave me the graphical login (which it should have gone straight to)
19:17<witte>hudu: ok that was we were thinking, so we are on the right route to salvation ;-)
19:18<hudu>:-) cool, thx
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19:19<witte>hudu: hda: [PTBL] [3648/255/63] hda1 hda2 < hda5 >
19:19<witte>hudu: you have a hda disk, with 3 partitions: hda1, hda2 and hda5
19:20<NeoJew>How can I tell if the drivers for my ATI graphics card installed correctly?
19:20<witte>hudu: try mount /dev/hda1 temp
19:20<hudu>I don't know why ... I ran Killdisk over the whole HD before installing Debian
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19:21<witte>hudu: the hda5 is a logical partition, maybe it is very small, and you need a swap partition as well in linux (well you don't need it, but it is recommended)
19:21<hudu>witte: hda1 is mounted to temp
19:22<witte>hudu: cd temp
19:22<hudu>I'm there
19:22<witte>hudu: and if you ls, you should see all kinds of disks such as /bin/ /sbin/ /usr etc
19:22<hudu>I'm seeing it
19:22<witte>hudu: if that is true, chroot .
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19:22<witte>hudu: and the point is importatn
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19:23<hudu>so in the /dev/temp directory, I type in 'chroot' and hit enter
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19:23<witte>hudu: you did make it in temp?
19:24<witte>hudu: probably that wont be a problem, but well, ok, and no, it should be 'chroot .'
19:24<hudu>I'm in /dev/temp ... ls shows bin boot etc home (and much more) ... chroot says chroot: too few arguments
19:24<schlurchz>hudu: it's missing the dot.
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19:25<hudu>o. yes. now with the '.' I get 'box:/#'
19:25<witte>hudu: great, that is where we want to be
19:25<hudu>cool, I'm there
19:26<witte>hudu: that was the easy part :P
19:26<witte>hudu: well, not really, now we should find out why your system did not log into gdm earlier
19:27<hudu>okay ... awaiting your command
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19:27<witte>could you upload also the following file to the pastebin: /dev/temp/var/log/Xorg.0.conf
19:27<witte>hudu: leave the chroot for what it is, we will most likely need it later on
19:27<schlurchz>witte: I guess that path won't work out
19:28<path>I'd work ;)
19:28<hudu>so I need to find my Xorg.0 file
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19:28<witte>ah, it is /dev/temp/var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:29<witte>schlurchz: it will work as he is only chrooted with the terminal, his browser sees the mounted disk, not the chroot
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19:29<schlurchz>witte: his *browser*? And /dev/ only has devices, hasn't it?
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19:31<witte>schlurchz: well, i told him to make a temp directory and he made it in /dev/, which is not really nice :-). So it has more. And he will need to upload the file to a pastebin using a browser...
19:31<schlurchz>witte: nice trick. :-)
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19:31<NeoJew>I downloaded a driver for my graphics card. It's a .run file. How do I use .run files?
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19:32<witte>NeoJew: ./filename
19:32<witte>NeoJew: but probably there is a debian way to do the thing you want
19:33<witte>which card do you have
19:33<NeoJew>ATI Mobility RADEON X1600
19:33<hudu>whew ... that took me awhile to figure out. try
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19:33<witte>NeoJew: do you want to ati driver?
19:33<dpkg>rumour has it, ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list.
19:33<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati>
19:33<witte>!fglrx one-liner
19:33<dpkg>from memory, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
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19:34<NeoJew>I have Contrib and non-free already added, so just copy/paste that into the terminal?
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19:34<witte>NeoJew: yes
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19:35<witte>hudu: ok, it seems that there is a configuration issue, i am doubting what would be the best solution
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19:36<hudu>witte: any idea what a good approach to repairing the issue might be?
19:36<witte>hudu: or we could reconfigure x on debian using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and hope that it will be better, or we could just copy the file from your working damn small linux, which should work as well if the xserver is more or less the same version
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19:37<hudu>eeny meeny mynee mo ... I'm at the whim of your suggestions.
19:37<witte>hudu: the xserver gave errors on the synaptic pad that did not work, but i believe there are also other issues...
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19:37<judgen>any easy tutorial on how to get r+w on an external ntfs hdd?
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19:38<witte>hudu: lets try first to run the dpkg-reconfigure command in the chroot, that is the most proper method, if that fails, we can still use the other one
19:38*Cerros is away: Cerros(R) No Esta...
19:38<witte>hudu: so back to the chroot window, and just type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:38<witte>!tell Cerros about away
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19:39<witte>!tell judgen about ntfs-3g
19:39<hudu>witte: okay, I'm ion 'box:/#' (ls shows bin cefom etc lib and many other things) ... should I just type in the command?
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19:39<witte>hudu: yes
19:40<witte>there will be a lot of questions concerning your xserver, just take the default when in doubt :-)
19:40<hudu>okay It is asking me to "Attempt to autodetect video hardware?"
19:41<witte>hudu: just take the default (which is yes probably?)
19:41<hudu>okay, I took default on a few, but now, it's asking about the X server driver: and the default is 'vesa'
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19:41<NeoJew>Hm... it went into dpkg I think and I didn't know what to do.
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19:42<hudu>witte: might the 'default' driver be the issue?
19:42<witte>hudu: well, vesa will always work
19:42<witte>hudu: but that is like the fail safe solution
19:42<witte>one second
19:43<witte>hudu: open an other terminal, do "lspci |grep VGA" and past it here
19:43<NeoJew>witte: What do I do after dpkg starts?
19:44<hudu>witte: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11)
19:44<witte>NeoJew: which part of it, what does it ask (my crystal ball is in the repair shop ;))
19:45<NeoJew>Do I just keep going through the whole thing? Even about Keyboard stuff?
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19:45<witte>NeoJew: ah, yes, indeed, just go through it
19:46<Philippe>hudu: do you happen to have a black screen when X starts?
19:46<NeoJew>kk, get back to me when you get your crystal ball fixed.
19:46<hudu>yes. I would say that is what has been happening
19:46<witte>hudu: ok, i will have a look at google which driver is that
19:46<Philippe>hudu: I have a savage myself and had to play with some settings in the xorg.conf to get it to work
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19:47*Philippe has a IBM T21
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19:47<Philippe>hudu: That fixed it for me.
19:47<hudu>Philippe: it's on an IBM ThinkPad (I'm running it side by side with this one I'm talking to you on)
19:48<witte>Philippe: do you have the same card as hudu?
19:48<Philippe>witte: think so
19:49<Philippe>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11)
19:49<hudu>Philippe: I looked at your pastebin, buy being the ignorant newbie that I am, I don't know what to do with that
19:49<witte>hudu: you should follow Philippe's advice, go through with the config (take savage for now) and then tell us, we will guide you to the next (and final) few steps
19:50<Philippe>hudu: hmmm, well you should edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and find your device section and add the options that I put in the pastebin
19:50<hudu>witte: I may have screwed up. I went on through a couple more screens on the reconfigure-x and I'm at a question of "Amount of memory to be used by the video card
19:50<hudu>should I close the terminal
19:51<hudu>and back up?
19:51<witte>hudu: no, just type 8192
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19:51<witte>hudu: (got that from the pastebin of Philippe
19:52<hudu>witte: if I'm to try Philippe's recommendations, should I abandon what I was working on? or finish it first?
19:52<hudu>yes, I got the pastebin
19:52<Philippe>hudu: which is the correct value probably.If you have a T20 or T21 Thinkpad at least.
19:52<Philippe>hudu: finish first edit the xorg.conf afterwards
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19:53<hudu>Philippe: yes, I have a T20
19:53<hudu>Okay: Just accept the default? all the way?
19:54<witte>hudu: in principle yes, but... at least check it roughly
19:54<Philippe>hudu: what is it asking now (short)
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19:54<NeoJew>witte: Do I need to reboot after I'm done with the dpkg?
19:55<witte>NeoJew: no, normally not
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19:55<NeoJew>I tried opening the ATI Control Panel, but it says Driver does not support FireGL11
19:55<NeoJew>*Fire GL X11
19:55<witte>NeoJew: can you do the following to see if your xorg.conf is changed: grep fglrx /etc/X11/xorg.conf
19:56<NeoJew>nothing shows up T_T
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19:56<witte>NeoJew: and you need to restart your X (ctrl-alt-backspace will do that quite fast)
19:56<witte>NeoJew: ah, ok
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19:56<Philippe>hudu: no clue
19:57<NeoJew>so I should CTRL+ALT+backspace now?
19:57<witte>NeoJew: well, not ok, you should have gone through the dpkg-reconfigure thing, and selected the fgrlx driver
19:57<witte>NeoJew: no
19:57<NeoJew>I'll try again
19:57<witte>NeoJew: just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:58<Philippe>NeoJew: or just find the Device line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver line
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19:59<Zathras>can I use apxs to add mod_proxy to apache 1.3 on Etch? If so, how?
20:00<NeoJew>OK, I think it's using the right driver now, but I still can't change my resolution above 1024x768
20:01<NeoJew>And the ATI Control Panel still has a problem with the driver not having FireGL X11
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20:01<witte>NeoJew: do the grep thing, and if that now works, you probably still have to restart x
20:01<NeoJew>yah, the grep thing showed up with the driver. I'll restart X now
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20:03<NeoJew>I LOVE YOU WITTE!
20:03<NeoJew>*It worked
20:04*witte hopes NeoJew is female ;-)
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20:04<NeoJew>Sorry, no luck there. But seriously. You helped me SO much over the last 2 days
20:04<witte>NeoJew: great, in the end it was not that difficult
20:04<path>I like Hanna Wallach
20:04<path>she's damn sexy
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20:04<azeem>path: huh?
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20:05<path>wrong window :D
20:05<azeem>path: do you have a Debian question?
20:05<Br01>hi all
20:05<Br01>anyone wanna help me
20:05<path>azeem, yes but not for you :)
20:05<Br01>i bought a skystar2 dvb card
20:05<azeem>path: was this supposed to go to #debianchile or #debian-dpl-discuss?
20:06<Br01>i can't run it in debian etch
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20:07<hudu>Philippe: I have my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file open and I have your open ... I don't see exactly what to do
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20:07<witte>hudu: make sure it is the /etc/X11/xorg.conf from debian and not from DSL!
20:08<path>azeem, it wasnt supposed even for this server :-)
20:08<witte>hudu: so /dev/temp/etc/X11/xorg.conf (or opened within the chroot)
20:08<hudu>witte: yes. actually, I couldn't find the file from DSL
20:08<hudu>I tried
20:09*witte wonders if #debian-women is on oftc :-)
20:09*path wonders too
20:09<Br01>help about dvb card plz
20:09<Philippe>hudu: look for the device section
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20:09<hudu>witte: I closed the chroot
20:09<Philippe>hudu: Section "Device"
20:10<Philippe>hudu: the problem is that the savage driver gets the bus settings wrong and screws up the card register settings unless you tell the driver explicitly which bus to use.
20:10<Philippe>hudu: so once you found the device section make it look like in the pastebin
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20:11<Philippe>Just don't change the identifier
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20:12<hudu>Philippe: I'm slightly concerned about the '#' ... it looks out of place, but I guess it belongs there (of course I have no real clue what it should look like)
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20:12<Philippe>hudu: hmm, don't worry about that one.
20:12<witte>hudu: # is a comment, you can leave that line out
20:13<Philippe>I tried PCI first and then commented it out to try the AGP setting
20:13<hudu>o, duh sorry, I should have guessed that :-)
20:13<hudu>Okay: I'll save it and try booting
20:14<Philippe>hudu: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE should do
20:14<witte>Philippe: he is in damn small linux
20:14<Philippe>witte: ah ok :)
20:14<witte>Philippe: he will need to boot ;)
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20:16<hudu>witte and Phileppe: I very much appreciate your patience. It's booting and I see all of the console stuff on the monitor as it boots. ...
20:17<Philippe>hudu: no problem
20:17<Philippe>hudu: actually glad I can help somebody out with a problem I spent myself looking to solve for a few hours
20:17<hudu>Now I'm getting 'Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?
20:17<Philippe>hudu: say yes
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20:18<hudu>Okay: Now I have a page full of stuff
20:18<Philippe>hudu: find something with (EE) in front of it?
20:19<Philippe>that is usually the error output
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20:20<hudu>Philippe: it says, 'Undefined Devicde NVIDIA referenced by "Dewfault Screen". (EE) Problem parsing the config file ... & ... (EE) Error parsing the config file ... Fatal server error: no screens found
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20:21<witte>hudu: hugh? that is very strange, did you earlier copy your xorg.conf from somewhere?
20:21<Br01>anyone know how to install dvb card ?
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20:22<hudu>witte: no, but I did save a copy of the xorg.conf before I started editing it.
20:22<witte>Br01: not me, but first try to find out which card you have (with lspci?) and google for it, and maybe ask afterwards here a more specific question
20:22<hudu>I think I screwed it up when I was reconfiguring xorg
20:22<Br01>i have skystar2
20:23<Philippe>hudu: sounds like your xorg.conf still has an Nvidia reference somewhere that should not be there
20:23<Br01>i search in google but nothing work
20:23<witte>Br01: well, i don't know anything about it. with lspci you will get more concrete info (hopefully)
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20:23<Br01>i try kaffeine also she doesnt work
20:24<witte>Br01: if you cant find it in lspci, upload the output of htat command to a pastebin
20:24<hudu>I'll boot DSL again, mount it and look at the xorg.conf
20:24<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
20:24<witte>hudu: you can do that from the console as well
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20:24<witte>hudu: no need to reboot
20:24<Philippe>hudu: well I will pastebin my whole xorg.conf then you can just copy/paste the text in a new file and use that one
20:24<Br01>ok witte
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20:25<hudu>So, Philippe: you have an IBM ThinkPad T20 also?
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20:26<Philippe>hudu: T21 actually, but I don't think the difference is that big
20:26<Br01>i past it
20:27<Philippe>hudu: actually working on it now :)
20:27<hudu>I'll try your pastebin. thx so much :-)
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20:32<Br01>witte: thank you :)
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20:33<witte>Br01: probably you want to do apt-cache search dvb, and see which of those programs you need or could use
20:33<witte>Br01: if you want to know more of a package: apt-cache show packagename
20:33<witte>Br01: or you could use synaptic of course
20:34<hudu>WOO-HOO!!! I'm up and running :-) ... Thanks Philippe and witte!!!
20:34<Philippe>hudu: you're welcome!
20:34<witte>Br01: by the way, i found something by putting the output of your lspci that concerned the dvb card in google...
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20:34<witte>hudu: great, but all credits go to Philippe ;-)
20:34<Philippe>hudu: glad to see my xorg.cong magic works for you too.
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20:35<Br01>ok witte i'll try
20:35<asciibobo>Hey, I have an install question...
20:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
20:35<asciibobo>Can I do full install over ssh from another computer?
20:36<hudu>how on earth did you figure that out? I'm such an ignorant newbie. where would I be w/o sagely sen-sei's such as yourselves? :-)
20:36<asciibobo>The target box is downstairs wired to the router and it's a huge pain to drag a monitor and keyboard infront of it for 1/2 an hour
20:36<Philippe>hudu: well I can go to sleep now with the happy thought I helped somebody. That's a good start!
20:37<witte>asciibobo: I have done it with serial cable, but i think it could be possible with a special tool of which i forgot the name (one second)
20:37<asciibobo>Basically I want to be really lazy and sit on my laptop but I also don't know very much about anything. :(
20:37<Philippe>witte: Have fun in Leuven! Haven't been there in a while, but since I live 2000km away from it these days...
20:37<hudu>I assume from your use of the '.ca' (pastebin) and your name that you may be somewhere in Canada?
20:37<Philippe>hudu: nope. Belgian living in .fi
20:38<hudu>oh, my ... I was way off
20:38<dpkg>hmm... preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or, or
20:38<asciibobo>witte special tool meaning hardware or special install?
20:38<asciibobo>dpkg thanks
20:38<dpkg>my pleasure, asciibobo
20:38<witte>Philippe: thanks :-)
20:39<witte>Philippe: at the university?
20:39<Philippe>witte: no working here.
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20:39<marcelo>folks, just installed debian 4 as desktop system
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20:40<Philippe>witte: Making Linux devices... could not resist taking the offer.
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20:40<witte>Philippe: ah ok, as it is such a small city with a relatively large uni...
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20:40<Guest2747>laptop, 1280x800 res, gnome started with wrong res. and I cant change via the graphical cpanl in gnome becouse it doesnt lists 1280x800
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20:40<Guest2747>any hints?
20:40<witte>Philippe: which company if i may ask
20:40<asciibobo>dpkg: This is a little over my head, i'm a first time installer. I was just hoping to pipe the screen to my terminal upstairs.
20:40<dpkg>asciibobo: I think you lost me on that one
20:40<Philippe>witte: Some minor Finnish phone company
20:40<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
20:40<asciibobo>dpkg: Thanks anyways
20:40<dpkg>de rien, asciibobo
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20:41<celoserpa>any hints?
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20:45<witte>Philippe: i know only one minor finish phone company, but that is not really minor :-)
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20:45<Philippe>witte: well it is indeed not so minor :)
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20:54<wurmt>does not show packages accepted into testing/unstable/experimental ?
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20:55<celoserpa>I need some help! I just installed Debian on a laptop, gnome started in the wrong res (1024x768), I'm trying to set it to 1280x800 with no success, I have already edited xorg.conf restarted the server and nothing
20:55<celoserpa>any hints!?
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20:56<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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20:57<witte>celoserpa: you added extra 1280x800 in xorg.conf?
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20:57<witte>celoserpa: in that case you have to see in /var/log/Xorg.0.log what the reason is that it does not take that resolution
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20:57<Br01>witte: i can't use it, i think skystar2 don't work in debian
20:58<witte>Br01: if it works in other linuxes, it will work in debian as well
20:58<dpkg>methinks dvb is DigitalVideoBroadcast. MPEG2 Streams are sent to TV and decoded digitally. See or for more information.
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20:59<witte>Br01: i am not sure where you can get more information, maybe just ask your question here again on an other moment when there are more people (or one that used dvb before)
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20:59<Br01>ok witte thank you :)
20:59<evilmanu>I'm using Kaffeine for watching with my dvb
21:00<evilmanu>and works very well
21:00<Br01>u have skystar2 ?
21:00<witte>Br01: just start reading here in the meanwhile:
21:00<Br01>i tried witte
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21:00<Br01>how u use it kaffeine
21:00<Br01>i install the package but when i try to search channel
21:01<Br01>scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-s/Hotbird-13.0E | tee ~/.szap/channels.conf
21:01<Br01>scanning /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-s/Hotbird-13.0E
21:01<Br01>using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'
21:01<Br01>main:2247: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 2 No such file or directory
21:01-!-Br01 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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21:02<witte>Br01: did you do this:
21:02<evilmanu>I'll go to DVB and select channel
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21:02<evilmanu>some DVB automatically recognize
21:02<Br01>the drivers are installed
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21:02<evilmanu>I tried and now all work
21:03<witte>Br01: ok, so it is supported, it is just the configuring that does not yet work
21:03<Br01>yes witte
21:03<Br01>i suppose
21:04<witte>Br01: did you do this:
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21:06<evilmanu>-- good night all --
21:06<Br01>when i test i get this error : /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0: No such file or directory
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21:06<witte>Br01: what does ls /dev/dvb give?
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21:08<witte>Br01: and in that directory? ls /dev/dvb/adapter0
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21:11<witte>Br01: can you upload the result dmesg |grep dvb to a pastebin
21:11<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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21:12<Br01>nothing done
21:13<witte>Br01: and dmesg | grep -i dvb
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21:13<Br01>DVB: registering new adapter (FlexCop Digital TV device)
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21:18<witte>Br01: sorry, i am not up to reading all the documentation, and finding it out for myself, like i said, you should wait until someone else can help you, or search a little more on the net
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21:19<witte>Br01: the error you got earlier was clear: there is no device /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 (we checked that, there is only net0)
21:19<witte>Br01: probably it will be something very simple and straightforward (once you know how to do it of course...)
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21:20<Br01>thank you very much witte :)
21:20<witte>you are welcome
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21:23<mejo>where in gnome can i configure that nautilus opens folders inside a window instead of opening a new one for every subfolder?
21:25<roth>hi. i just installed debian on a notebook but i can't select my right resolution. can this be fixed?
21:25<witte>!tell roth about drxx
21:26<ranix>roth: in console type vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
21:26<ranix>if you don't understand what you see type man xorg.conf
21:26<ranix>if you don't understand that, scroll to the bottom and check out the related manpages
21:26<ranix>continue ad infinitum until you can fix your problem
21:26<mejo>roth: first try the graphical frontend
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21:26<witte>ranix: i would not advice someone to open anything with vim, certainly not newbies
21:27<witte>ranix: nano seems more appropriate...
21:27<mejo>roth: do you use gnome? got to system -> preferences -> Screen Resolution
21:27<ranix>nano is easy mode
21:27<ranix>only elementary kids play in easy mode, easy mode is unforgivable
21:27<witte>ranix: i agree, and vim is suicide mode :P
21:27<mejo>roth: if you don't see your desired resolution listed there, search for xrandr.
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21:28<mejo>ranix: unfortunately many xorg video drivers ignore resolution settings in xorg.conf
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21:28<roth>if i try to -reconfigure i get that there is no x server known for the video hardware and can't find ati radeon in the list that follows
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21:29<ranix>wait what
21:29<witte>roth: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati
21:29<mejo>roth: do you already have a xserver running? if so, you should try the settings in gnome first
21:29<ranix>many xorg video drivers ignore xorg.conf?
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21:29<mejo>ranix: no, but the resolution settings in screen section.
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21:30<ranix>you know, many machines ignore the theory of relativity
21:30<mejo>ranix: you need to set Modelines in Monitor section, and that's far more complicated
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21:30<witte>mejo: you speak of the post-etch xorg
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21:30<mejo>witte: ok, sorry
21:31<mejo>anyway, does anybody know where to configure nautilus in a way that it doesn't open a new window for every subfolder?
21:31<azeem>in preferences
21:31<mejo>i just installed a new system, and simply cannot find the setting
21:31<witte>mejo: don't have nautilus installed, but, preferences?
21:32<mejo>azeem: not in nautilus -> preferences, at least i cannot find it
21:32<ranix>if there isn't an /etc/nautilus.conf I don't want to hear about it
21:32<ranix>menu based configuration is the devil
21:32<azeem>ranix: what
21:33<azeem>ranix: obvsiously, those configurations are user-specifc
21:33<azeem>and have no place in /etc
21:33<mejo>azeem: <always open in browser window> is what i was searching for ;-)
21:33<azeem>mejo: it's Behaviour->Always open in Browser or so
21:33<mejo>azeem: yes, thanks. i was to dump to see it in the first place
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21:33<roth>i could fix the resolution issue in ubuntu with proprietary drivers, is there anything liek that in debian? i can't find where to download thoes driver, the acer website tells me i get them already isntalled with vista so they're not going to put them on their website..
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21:34<gsimmons>Br01: See <> and <> in the DVB wiki. Note that only Skystar2 revisions 2.6 and earlier are supported.
21:34<ranix>a .foo in the home folder then
21:34<mejo>roth: fglrx driver is available in debian as well.
21:34<azeem>ranix: .gconf, actually, but yes
21:34<dpkg>somebody said ati was For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list.
21:34<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati>
21:34<Br01>ouups !! i think my card is 2.8
21:34<witte>!tell roth about fglrx one-liner
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21:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list.
21:36<Br01>Good Bye All
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21:39<yr>any one know how to chagen the interrup in eth0?
21:39<roth>i get that it's impossible to find fglrx-driver
21:39<witte>!tell roth about non-free
21:40<witte>!tell roth about contrib
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21:46<dpkg>rumour has it, sh is the POSIX shell, or the old System V (and earlier) Bourne shell, or usually a symbolic link to /bin/bash on a GNU/Linux system
21:46<dpkg>it has been said that posix is The Portable Operating System Interface - The GNU library is also compatible with the IEEE POSIX family of standards, known more formally as the Portable Operating System Interface for Computer Environments. POSIX is derived mostly from various versions of the Unix operating system.
21:47<roth>i could downlaod thoes drivers. now, how do i use them? sorry for my noobness
21:47<NeoJew>I downloaded a program that's .sh so I guess it needs POSIX. Does Debian
21:47<NeoJew>come with that?
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21:48<witte>roth: did you change your sources.list as dpkg told you?
21:49<ranix>uh yeah, bash is posix compatable and debian's default shell is bash
21:49<witte>ok, now do the following:
21:49<witte>!fglrx one-liner
21:49<dpkg>hmm... fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
21:49<ranix>posix is more of an environment standard than something Debian comes with
21:49<javo>hi, im using testing and i recently run an aptitude safe-upgrade in my system. Now i have problems with trying to install or update packages, because of an error with debtags. Could you help me with this? thanks
21:50<witte>roth: so just copy everything from update-pciids to xserver-xorg into a root terminal, and it will be installed...
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21:51<javo>debtags: symbol lookup error: debtags: undefined symbol: _ZN6wibble9exception10AddContext9s_contextE
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21:51<roth>i don't know what to insert for things like bus id
21:51<witte>roth: leave it empty
21:52<witte>roth: unless you have two video cards...
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21:53<roth>should i enable kernel framebuffer?
21:53<witte>roth: if in doubt, take the default
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21:54<witte>roth: just make sure you take the fglrx driver
21:54<ranix>kernel framebuffer is kind of cool
21:54<ranix>if you have a fast processor it is entertaining to play movies with mplayer from a virtual console
21:54<amphi>aye ;)
21:54<ranix>also links2 -g
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21:55<ranix>it is wasteful if you have an accelerated video card, however
21:55<ranix>I do not so it is balls awesome
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22:04<gsimmons>javo: Sounds like you've hit bug #472476. You can either backport the 'libept0' version from unstable, or wait for this to enter testing, or manually downgrade 'debtags'.
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22:05<javo>gsimmons: your link says that bug doesnt exist
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22:08<javo>gsimmons: yes, thanks a lot. i fall in that bug. but how can i update a package if debtags is used in that process ?
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22:09<wlinux>boa noite galera
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22:12<javo>how can i downgrade debtags to the previous version?
22:13<witte>javo: just dpkg -i it
22:13<witte>javo: it will probably still be in /var/cache/apt/archives
22:13<javo>thanks witte
22:13<witte>javo: i am unsure if you have to remove the current version first, but i don't think so
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22:28<tj_>anyone chatting
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22:29<tj_>fuck off then
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22:42<asciibooboo>So I just finished installing debian and when I try to sudo apt-get install ssh I get the error that my account is not on the list of sudoers
22:43<abrotman>so use `su`
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22:43<dserban>Hello, I have a game that complains about needing a shared object file. -- ./wolf.x86: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory --
22:43<abrotman>asciibooboo: debian is not configured like ubuntu
22:43<abrotman>dserban: cross-poster!
22:43<dserban>what can I do to have it run? lol
22:43<asciibooboo>Oh I'm stupid
22:44<abrotman>dserban: which version of debian ?
22:44<dserban>abrotman, ignorer!
22:44<asciibooboo>whats the difference between su and sudo abrotman ?
22:44<dserban>*cough* ... sid
22:44<dserban>it's in ia32-libs for etch but not sid
22:44<abrotman>asciibooboo: they have man pages .. read them
22:44<abrotman>dserban: ln -s ?
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22:45<asciibooboo>sorry :(
22:45<dserban>abrotman, to what though? :(
22:45<abrotman>dserban: updatedb && locate libstdc++-libc6.2 .. see what you get
22:45<dserban>it's oddly named as the new one doesn't have libc6 in the filename, I'm worried it's not the same thing
22:45<dserban>abrotman, ok will do
22:47<dserban>ehh, updatedb belongs to findutils... but ... command not found. looking into it
22:48<abrotman>install it
22:48<dserban>well it's slocate not findutils :( aptitude is *wrong* ! :)
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22:52<dserban>holy crap updatedb takes forever
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22:53<dserban>find / -iname libstdc++-libc6.2 would've worked as well
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22:56<abrotman>dserban: less fun :)
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22:57<dserban>:) of course, the more pain the better!
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22:58<john>so what is the topic?
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23:00<dserban>abrotman, so... no dice
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23:00<dserban>I can't find anything containing libc and stdc in the same filename
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23:01<dserban>abrotman, so wth do I link to? :)
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23:02<abrotman>dserban: did you find any ?
23:02<dserban>ubuntu noobs seem to have a solution :( no debian dice
23:02<dserban>nope none
23:02<dserban>searched as wel
23:02<dserban>and still no dice
23:02<dserban>belongs in etch but not in sid or lenny
23:03<abrotman>dserban: did you find a file or not ?
23:03<dserban>No, no file
23:03<abrotman>oh jeez
23:03<abrotman>!find libstdc++-libc6 sid
23:04<abrotman>dpkg: work faster!
23:04<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6' returned no results.
23:04*abrotman looks at dpkg
23:04<abrotman>!find libstdc++-libc6 etch
23:04<abrotman>dserban: wtf are you trying to play anyways?
23:04<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6' returned no results.
23:04<abrotman>is it wolfenstein 3d ?
23:05<dserban>return to castle yep
23:05<dserban>ahh no heh not the original
23:05<abrotman>Rise of the Triad is way better!
23:05<dserban>the sequel
23:05<dserban>lol not even close
23:05<dserban>rott is way better than wolf3d but no way cooler than rtcw
23:05<abrotman>i'm not helping anymore!
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23:05<abrotman>RotT is better!
23:05<dserban>RotT is better! Now help me.
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23:06<abrotman>you might have to try to install the etch package ..
23:06<abrotman>hold on
23:06<dserban>ahh crap!
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23:06<piper>apt-cache policy libc6
23:06<piper> Installed: 2.7-9
23:07<dserban>well i'd have to downgrade ia32-libs
23:07<dserban>from 2.2 to 1.1.13 ... I think it'd break the sid install
23:07<abrotman>dserban: what was going to have to do was create a symlink to the newer version to hopefully make the app think you had it
23:07<piper>i use sid, don't break
23:07<dserban>so dpkg -x package
23:08<dserban>piper, do you play rtcw?
23:08<abrotman>dserban: i've done that for other apps with other libstdc++ files ..
23:08<piper>no, i am playing prey at the moment
23:08<abrotman>dserban: thought it's obviously an iffy thing to do
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23:08<dserban>abrotman, aye, it crossed my mind but didn't think of installing two versions at once
23:08<dserban>good idea :)
23:08<abrotman>dserban: don't blame me ..
23:09<abrotman>dserban: wait .. can't you just run that hting in dosbox or something ?
23:09<dserban>piper, yeah the newer stuff works ok, but not the old stuff :(
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23:09<abrotman>(please tell me it doesn't emulate "64bit dos")
23:09<dserban>it's a linux native app
23:09<dserban>why I play it :)
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23:09<piper>steam, all the half-lifes, quake, works fine :)
23:09<abrotman>OH ..
23:09<dserban>quake what version?
23:09<dserban>abrotman, ?
23:09<abrotman>i forgot there was a native version :)
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23:10<abrotman>i have no idea what the freak i was thinking
23:10<abrotman>this is what happens when you get up early to watch baseball
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23:10<dserban>it's just 32bit :s if they'd have gpl'ed the game contents I would be playing with compilers right now.
23:10<dserban>heh what game?
23:11<piper>i can almost get crysis to work, it installs, loads for about 2 minutes and drops :(
23:11<dserban>piper, using wine right?
23:11<abrotman>dserban: i'm EDT .. the sox/As game started at 6am
23:11<piper>dserban: yep
23:11<piper>prey plays better in sidux than xp :)
23:11<dserban>I own every native version of every game ever published for linux
23:12<dserban>piper, that's usually the case
23:12<abrotman>dserban: *every* ?
23:12*abrotman has seen quite a lot of games on happypenguin
23:12<dserban>abrotman, probably not but most of the ones that most people have heard about
23:12<dserban>even loki stuff
23:12<abrotman>the only one i really considered buying was Shogo MAD
23:13<dserban>I think I've got a fairly big collection
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23:13<dserban>oh is that new? :o
23:13<dserban>crap missed one
23:13<abrotman>holy jeez no
23:14<dserban>oh heh
23:14<abrotman>i'm not even sure it still runs ...
23:14<dserban>well maybe not then :)
23:14<piper>does that have single player or no ?
23:14<abrotman>it's really old ..
23:14<dserban>yeah looks like the quake engine
23:14<abrotman>i really don't play PC games at all anymore
23:15<dserban>I do... try to keep my sanity... or insanity whichever...
23:15<abrotman>dserban: i like that it is still getting comments seven years after its release
23:15<dserban>used to play rtcw and et competitvely now I'm even lamer... and have a life :)
23:15<piper>my pc blows my sons xbox to shame, why i game on pc :)
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23:16<dserban>piper, usually the case
23:16<dserban>abrotman, heh yep... there's a market for linux... too bad i'm running into stupid probs like this :s...
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23:16<kop>What's the program that does something like recording all the changes to files and letting you roll-back/forward. (Not lvm snapshots.)
23:16<piper>well, yes, i know that,, i tried telling my 27 year old son that :)
23:17<abrotman>kop: CVS ? subversion ?
23:17<dserban>anyway... abrotman you figure I "extract" the etch version of ia32libs and link it somehow?
23:18<kop>abrotman : Nope, not a source code control system. Something like automount, only it keeps track of changed files and makes versions or something. I'm unclear because I've never used it just what it does.
23:18<abrotman>dserban: i didn't say that .. but you could try
23:18<abrotman>kop: there's famd that notes when files change .. there are also filesystems based on the cvs concept
23:18<dserban>abrotman, what do you suggest?
23:18<abrotman>dserban: get a 32bit chroot .. yay!
23:19<abrotman>it's probably a better idea than anything you're going to try to force in :)
23:19<kop>abrotman : Yah, famd connected to _something_. Happen to know the names of these filesystems? (IIRC TUX was going to be something like that but the developer got cold feet when there were patent threats.)
23:19<dserban>well i don't even know if that lib exists in 32bit land
23:19<dserban>i'm gonna go check
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23:20<abrotman>kop: they are FUSE filesystems .. check their website
23:20<kop>abrotman : Thanks.
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23:21<dserban>there goes my helper
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23:40<kop>The FUSE filesystems that do versioning are cool (but none of them seem quite suitable for production use :-( ). But I don't think I was thinking of a filesystem. Something similar to some "automatic backup" feature that MS and now Apple have (I think.)
23:43<Supaplex>lvm had snapshots long time ago for that
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23:45<Supaplex>periodic rsync to a readonly filesystem + --link-dest ftw :)
23:45<Supaplex>readonly to the clients that is (nfs/smb/etc)
23:46<kop>Supaplex : I'm thinking something like the fuse wayback fs, which automatically keeps file versions. Like lvm snapshots would be if they happened automatically.
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23:47<kop>Supaplex : Only an application. (I think) I don't really know what I want, I just am under the impression that Apple and MS have some new "magic" in this area and some time ago somebody mentioned something similar here (by name and then I never went to check it out and forgot.)
23:49<kop>Supaplex : Maybe the buzzword is 'continouous data protection'. Maybe. Or maybe I'm projecting my desires and the thing does not really exist.
23:50<Supaplex>depends on how complicated you want to make it
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23:51<Supaplex>with cluster aware lvm (clvm) and drbd, and dm_multipath, you can get pretty redudant
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23:51<kop>Supaplex : What's in my brain is backups, which is different from redundency in that you can get back stuff you munged or deleted.
23:52<Supaplex>and lvm has snapshots
23:53<kop>Supaplex : That'd be good, but you'd want famd to trigger a new snapshot each time a file was closed. Or something.
23:53<Supaplex>yeah, or something.
23:56<kop>Supaplex : The wayback FUSE fs looks very cool in this regard, as does fsfipi & vaves. But niether seems really ready. And I swear somebody mentioned some application. Anyone know what sort of backup is being peddled to Apple and MS customers of late that might protect the user from munging their files?
23:57<kop>Supaplex : If I knew what the competition was maybe then I could find the Linux equalivent.
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23:58<Supaplex>ms's had shadow file copy since atleast win2k server. apple has time machine.
23:58<kop>Supaplex : Those are what I'm thinking of in the proprietary space. I don't know what they do. Is there a Linux equalivent?
23:58<Supaplex>we didn't copycat them one for one, no
23:59<kop>Supaplex : I'll go find out what they do.
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