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00:06<qq>dserban: salut
00:07<dserban>qq, salut
00:07<qq>ce faci ?
00:08<kop>Supaplex : Looks like time machine makes hourly backups. It could be done with rsync, but not really. It really needs a fs that allows hardlinks to directories to work well.
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00:08<dserban>muncesc pe un computer
00:08<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
00:09<qq>dserban: intra pe #debian-ro te rog
00:09<Supaplex>kop: I think they're using zfs. hfs+ supports hardlinks
00:10<kop>Supaplex : Arstechnica says that they use hfs+, and have only experimental support for zfs. Does rsync support hard links to directories?
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00:12<Supaplex>kop: to directories? uhh I don't know, but I would guess not.
00:12<kop>Supaplex : If you don't have hard links to directories it takes _way_ too many directories (and inodes) to make an hourly backup because things just don't change and a whole fs worth of backups mean lots of directories to make every hour.
00:13<Supaplex>I realise that
00:14<kop>Supaplex : (Ok. But if I don't tell somebody the fact will be in danger of running out of my brain and then I'll have only vague recollections and might wind up coming back here to torture the channel with my memory problems. ;-)
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00:19<kop>Supaplex : I wonder if unionfs-fuse works well. If so then the solution would be to drive rsync from fileschanged and then use unionfs-fuse to merge the resultant directories back into a single tree. (I think unionfs-fuse can do that.)
00:20<Supaplex>that's an interesting cross roads....
00:21<Supaplex>the mainline kernel has unionfs+odf support. at least as of 2.6.25-rc3-mm1 (in use on a few production units here)
00:21<kop>Supaplex : Probably works better than hard links to directories. How often do you need to peruse and manipulate the backup tree anyhow?
00:22*kop is looking up unionfs+odf
00:22<blue_>hello is anybody else having trouble with mp3s and wav files skipping or stops befroe the end of the clip,cause it does that for me in xfmedia,amarok and kaffiene sid,sidux
00:22<Supaplex>I've only enabled unionfs support. I have yet to apply the design goals :) in actuallity, these are dev boxes now I think of it.
00:22<dpkg>sidux is, like, a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ See also <based on Debian caveats>.
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00:26<blue_>anybody running unstable?
00:26<Supaplex>!anyone running unstable
00:27<Supaplex>!anyone use unstable
00:27<dpkg>No, no one uses unstable, not even the people who use it.
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00:28<Supaplex>unstable behaivor while using unstable? who'd a thought. too bad it's sidux and not debian :)
00:28<piper>blue_: talk about it next door
00:28<piper>Supaplex: why get into that
00:28<blue_>sure piper thanks
00:28<piper>sidux is 100 % debian
00:29<blue_>if ya tryed it you would not pick anything else
00:29<piper>Supaplex: i suppose you use Ubuntu
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00:30<Supaplex>don't get your tights in a wad, someone told dpkg it's based on debian long time ago
00:30<Supaplex>pardon me for not following every fork off and variant of debian
00:31<blue_>uninformed supsp
00:31<dpkg>methinks sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ See also <based on Debian caveats>.
00:31<Supaplex>yes I am
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00:31<piper>Supaplex: sidux is not a fork
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00:32<piper>Supaplex: this is a respectable channel, i won't argue with someone who don't know any better about it
00:32<piper>a fork lol
00:32<Supaplex>"based on"
00:33<piper>it is, not based
00:33<piper>it is 100 % sid
00:33<piper>not based
00:33<Supaplex>dpkg: forget sidux
00:33<dpkg>i forgot sidux, Supaplex
00:33<Supaplex>be my guest
00:33<blue_>piper ya cant convert unbelievers:)
00:33<kop>Does it have it's own repositories?
00:33<piper>it uses sid repos
00:34<kop>What distinguishes it from sid?
00:34<piper>why bash something you have no clue on
00:34<Supaplex>go ahead, tell the bot what sidux is. inform us
00:34<piper>hehe, maybe my grandkids can explain it better
00:35<kop>piper : It's not a question of bashing. It's a question of staying on-topic. This is a debian channel, but people come here all the time to talk about non-debian stuff.
00:35<Supaplex>calm down, I'm not interested in bashing it. I was uninformed. I have nothing against sidux. enlighten us
00:35<piper>Supaplex: if uninformed why comment ?
00:35<kop>blue_: Yah. I went there before asking. It says "based on". And there's no faq I can see.
00:36<kop>piper : So the channel stays on-topic. What's the problem with that?
00:37<piper>with what
00:37<vook>ooh - Debian "hot and spicy" sexy, like gentoo-sexy!
00:37<blue_>kop: just a sec kop ill give ya a link that sums it all up for ya,take a couple minutes
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00:37<piper>kop: i have been here and the old one forever (irc)
00:38<Supaplex>dpkg: sidux is <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>).
00:38<dpkg>Supaplex: okay
00:45<rrm>hi guys/gals... i am getting a bit frustrated... i want a clean, lean system... i can not figure out... install the etch minimal and still need gnome things to get sound and all that runing... what can i do
00:45<blue_> heres one that shows some of what distinguises it.
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00:55<vook>rrm: so you don't want gnome - just some sound apps?
00:55<blue_>kop:did that help?
00:56<rrm>i want basic stuff... kernel, x, flux, mozila, sound config tool, xmms, pidgin, xchat, gimp,
00:56<chealer>piper: sidux is not 100 % debian
00:56<vook>blue_: regardless, it's OT here.
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00:56<piper>chealer: enlightin me
00:56<vook>rrm: some of what you're installing must be dependant on gnome-libs.
00:57<rrm>vook... that is what it seems to be
00:57<blue_>thats fine kop asked me to show hom to inform him.
00:57<rrm>anyway i can get away from that
00:57<vook>rrm: pidgen maybe? dunno, I recommend mocp alsa-mixer or aumix, irssi, and whatever minimalist stuff you'd like.
00:58<blue_>sidux is 100% compatable with sid repos
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00:58<vook>rrm: there are some nice curses based IM tools too.
00:58<piper>blue_: not worth it here
00:59<blue_>guess not o well
00:59<vook>piper: blue_ please stop spamming us!
01:00<piper>vook: can i ask how i am spamming
01:00<blue_>i was answering a question,ok
01:00<piper> blue_: not worth it here > is that spamming
01:00<vook>piper: it's off topic - you should be kicked. go read the #debian guidelines.
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01:01<piper>vook: you can kick, everyne expects that here
01:01<chealer>piper: see Wikipedia
01:01<blue_>ok does anybody have problems with playing mp3s and wav file in sid?
01:02<Supaplex>blue_: what's bts say?
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01:03<blue_>Supaplex: bts?
01:03<Supaplex>now, if it's not there,
01:03<Supaplex>!step 0
01:03<dpkg>step 0 is, like, Install debian for support here, or kindly GTFO. thank you. </public-svc-announce>
01:03<Supaplex>feel free to test it with pristine sid and file bug reports.
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01:04<rrm>ok peeps... one more q: should i use etch or testing...
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01:05<vook>rrm: testing is fairly stable right now - but if etch does what you need, you may as well stay in etch.
01:06<blue_>wow i can cut the tension with a knife in here.later peeps
01:07<Supaplex>how so? because the bot is firm?
01:07<Supaplex>because I didn't look up your issue in bts for you?
01:07<Supaplex>I'm all for improvement
01:08<chealer>blue_: unless you're asking for support with Debian, your question is offtopic here.
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01:09<Supaplex>dilluted #debian would be a bad thing. nothing personal.
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01:28<blue_>Supaplex: sorry. and no i will check that out later to see if there are any bug reports on that.i was just wondering if anybody else had the same problem.
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01:30<Supaplex>w/o bug reports the maintainers are flying blind, so to speak :) so please test it on sid (to isolate conflicts that we didn't introduce) and follow up with bts if you can.
01:31<piper>Supaplex: are you a debian dev ?
01:31<piper>i thought so
01:31<Supaplex>I suspect you have feedback, go ahead
01:32<piper>no comment it is ot
01:32<piper>i seen the "we" in (to isolate conflicts that we didn't introduce)
01:34<Supaplex>and you'd like to disolve this seperation
01:34<piper>no, i find it humourous
01:34<blue_>Supaplex: are you running sid?
01:35<Supaplex>on a few machines yes
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01:35<blue_>does your cpu support sse2?
01:36<Supaplex>flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm cr8_legacy
01:36<Supaplex>looks like it
01:36<blue_>Supaplex: o cause mine dont and audacious does not work
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01:37<blue_>piper: does audaciouse work on your box?
01:38<Supaplex>so you get illegal instruction?
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01:38<piper>yes, i just made a build
01:38<Supaplex> says it's fixed
01:38<twb>I'm trying to set up NFSv4 stuff.
01:38<twb>I'm trying to set up NFSv4 stuff. Can I put --bind mounts in /etc/fstab?
01:38<piper>i made a dvd
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01:38<blue_>o hey thats abn idea
01:39<twb>Never mind, I see that I can.
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01:39<Supaplex>twb: 'bind' as an option (just like -o bind) yes. not sure how it plays with nfs client mounts. my nfs server is littered with them and have overlapping exports
01:39<piper>blue_: not ready for prime time though, incoming, release should be soon hopefully
01:39<Marupa>is there a howto on how to turn your linux box (which has two ethernet cards) into a router?
01:40<vook>Marupa: the linux-router-project (very old). Just google it, you really just set up a few tables and echo something to /proc/somethingorother...
01:41<Marupa>vook, I've been looking for a few days, and it's very confusing to me.
01:41<vook>Marupa: hold on a sec...
01:41<vook>Marupa: I have a script on my laptop.
01:42<twb>Supaplex: yeah, I didn't realize --bind was equivalent to -t none -o bind
01:42<Marupa>vook, mostly, I just don't want to have to keep rebooting my router to portforward, and losing my IP.
01:43<Supaplex>twb: humm my fstab has ext3 defaults,bind still works. every 20 days or so I get to retest that. (hard lockups - nearly idle most of the time)
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01:44<twb>Supaplex: defaults, is, I believe, superfluous.
01:44<twb>aptituz: I can't decode your messages, so they are neither ASCII nor UTF-8.
01:44<twb>Oops, bad completion.
01:45<Supaplex>whois says descr: ShenZhen, GuangDong, China
01:45<Guest2768>i came form chinese
01:45<Supaplex>dpkg: ping
01:45<Guest2768>i came form china
01:45<Supaplex>bot looks ... comatose
01:46<vook>Marupa: just modify the interfaces to match yours.
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01:46<Supaplex>Guest2768: if you have a debian question you can ask here. (english only)
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01:47<Marupa>vook, when I boot the server up, will this have been loaded already?
01:47<Marupa>vook, Eth1 is external, eth2 is internal?
01:47<vook>Marupa: you can place this script in /etc/init.d, then create a symlink to it in /etc/rc2.d
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01:48<vook>for me, eth2 was the side with the internet connection, eth1 was the new gateway.
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01:48<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: dpkg has no pulse. :)
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01:48<Marupa>vook, and how would I portforward? (And what exactly is being written to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward?
01:49<vook>Marupa: you can create this in /etc/init.d/router, then 'ln -s /etc/init.d/router /etc/rc2.d/S99router'
01:49<vook>Marupa: that statement to /proc... says "enable port forwarding". Everything is forwarded at that point.
01:49<Marupa>That seems...a lot more in depth than it seems to need to.
01:49<vook>(in the kernel)
01:50<vook>nope, that's it.
01:50<Marupa>vook, I don't want to portforward all ports, just say, ten at a time to multiple IPs.
01:50<vook>the first three commands basically flush the routing table.
01:50<Marupa>And can this be put into linux_firewall (from webmin)?
01:51<Supaplex>well, webmin isn't in debian
01:51<vook>Marupa: probably - this is a generic "route all traffic" script.
01:51<Marupa>vook, I don't want all traffic. My server is my server, but I need ports for game hosting, and such.
01:53<vook>Marupa: you can elaborate as necessary. setting up /etc/hosts.deny & /etc/hosts.allow would likely be sufficient.
01:53<jaakko>Marupa: That script does not do any port forwarding, everything is behind NAT. You have to add port forwarding to that.
01:54<Marupa>vook, What I want is all ports to, default, stay on my server, but to be able to forward some ports on to the computers behind the server.
01:54<jaakko>(well, nat is port forwarding but...)
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02:00<Marupa>I'd like to, if possible, allow myself to, from afar, open and close ports on a whim, port-forward, and such.
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02:01<cesurasean>does anyone think it's possible that my CPU and RAM are fried if my motherboard has some static discharge that fried it?
02:01<cesurasean>mobo powers on, but won't post.
02:02<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: I think it something went and hit the OOM killer on that machine; it'll come back momentarily
02:03<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: oh fun. :)
02:03<dondelelcaro>either that or it's just failed; 'cause I can't get a shell on it right this second
02:04<Supaplex>cesurasean: there's still some hope. do you have any way of swapping parts between another similar system? eg, one that'll accept the ram or cpu
02:04<cesurasean>plus I don't want to fry any of my other computers. lol
02:05<cesurasean>I checked the HD, and it seems to fire up just fine on another machine. Didn't check any further than that.
02:05<jaakko>Marupa: If you want to modify the rules you had better to understand iptables rules. "man iptables" and google "iptables nat port forwarding"
02:05<jaakko>Marupa: It is not too difficult.
02:06<Marupa>jaakko, and would these automatically load on boot, and with no need to modify configuration files if I'm using webmin to modify linux_firewall?
02:06<ravenbird>hmm... dnat is Destination NAT (ask me about NAT).
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02:08<Supaplex>Marupa: webmin is a bad kind of crutch. iptables-save + iptables-restore will do most of the work for you, on demand. and unless you have remote hands to undo a mistake, you might want to not automatically load rules on reboot (what if you locked yourself out?)
02:08<Marupa>Supaplex, that's what direct console access is for.
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02:09<jaakko>Marupa: If you have a console access, use it. Just copy that script to a file and add the links as you were told to do
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02:09<JustSoul>good morning, How to check hdd temperature?
02:10<cesurasean>use your bios justsoul
02:10<cesurasean>oh, HDD?
02:10<cesurasean>can't I don't think. :/
02:10<JustSoul>cesurasean: HDD
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02:10<Supaplex>ii hddtemp 0.3-beta15-34 Utility to monitor the temperature of your hard drive
02:10<Hideo>JustSoul: apt-cache search hdd temperature
02:10<cesurasean>nice supaplex
02:10<Hideo>Supaplex: teach a man to fish :P
02:10<cesurasean>maybe it'll tell me why my HD's keep failing. :P
02:11<jm_>no, use smart for that
02:11<JustSoul>Supaplex, Hideo thx
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02:11<Supaplex>ouch. failing? replace it while you have a chance
02:11<cesurasean>nah, it works fine now.
02:11<cesurasean>I have to reset bios just to recognize the drive.
02:12<cesurasean>Im thinkin it could be the motherboard.
02:12<Supaplex>oh, and fans make a difference. I had a hdd with a 51C temp drop to 33C after one fan. thank goodness I found out before too long
02:12<Hideo>I want my next hd to be a solid state :(
02:12<cesurasean>good thing im using RAID :)
02:13<jm_>Hideo: keep dreaming
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02:13<Supaplex>it even rhymes with bandaid :}
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02:13<Supaplex>(nothing implied)
02:14<Hideo>hopes it won't fail in the next ... oh say, 3 years until SS is cheap enough
02:14*Supaplex drops swap on Hideo's solidstate disk, and watches the magic smoke escape
02:15<jm_>cheap and fast enough
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02:15<dondelelcaro>I'm waiting for 3 dimensional storage cubes
02:15<Hideo>Supaplex: vm.swappiness = 0
02:15<cesurasean>3 dimensional storage cubes?
02:16<Hideo>but yeah, I do hibernate now and then
02:16<Supaplex>just think, you'll run out of space in all three directions too
02:17<cesurasean>The SMART control command smartctl was not found on your system,
02:17<cesurasean>how do I install this?
02:17<dondelelcaro>!tell cesurasean about search
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02:18<Hideo>I thought dpkg went to sleep
02:18<jm_>cesurasean: the same way you install other packages
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02:18<cesurasean>I can't find it with apt-get install smart
02:18<Supaplex>@tell cesurasean -about search
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02:20<cesurasean>thanks Supaplex, got it!
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02:20<cesurasean>smart is saying errors logged, on both HD's. AHHH
02:21<cesurasean>how do I check to find these logs? or how do I fix this?
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02:22<Hideo>wb dpkg
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02:23<jm_>smartctl command can list results of selftest
02:23<cesurasean>yeah, it's saying there are errors on both HD's.
02:23<cesurasean>but, still operational
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02:25<jm_>fsck can be dangerous on such drives, be careful - run badblocks in read-only mode first
02:25<jm_>and run smart selftests first
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02:25<cesurasean>I ran all of the smart tests
02:25<jm_>how did you do that?
02:26<cesurasean>through webmin :P
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02:26<jm_>how quickly were the tests done?
02:27<jm_>then it wasn't long self-test
02:27<cesurasean>I ran both tests
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02:27<Supaplex>dpkg: wb
02:27<dpkg>thanks, supaplex. It's good to be back.
02:28<dguido>hi, is there a good channel to talk to some of the debian-legal guys?
02:28<Hideo>aw dpkg ignored me but thanked Supaplex :(
02:29<Hideo>dpkg: you make me sad :(
02:29<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
02:29<Supaplex>Hideo: 's not the smartest bot sometimes :)
02:29<dguido>I have a general GPL license question but #gpl and #sflc hasn't been able to answer
02:30<Supaplex>my neuron supercluster is running on empty. laters. :)
02:30<RyanRyan62>How do I tell apt/dpkg/aptitude/whatever not to install updates on a certain package
02:31<Hideo>nite Supaplex
02:31<Supaplex>!tell RyanRyan62 -about pinning
02:31<jm_>!tell RyanRyan62 -about hold
02:31<Supaplex>pinning > hold
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02:32<Supaplex>humm I don't recall where I picked up pinning > hold. zzZzz tyme.
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03:40<cesurasean>wooo hooooooo!!!
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03:40<cesurasean>I just peed my pants.
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03:41<jm_>ahh that explains the smell!
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03:42<cesurasean>anyone ever called people using AT&T relay service? -
03:43<cesurasean>what a great way of prank calling!
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03:43<cesurasean>I had a script setup to call someone every 10-20 secs or so. hahaha
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04:18<clondike>not really topic specific i guess but was wondering what you guys suggest tool wise for diagnosing problems with debian based systems?
04:20<sep>clondike, less, grep, tail
04:21<clondike>thanks sep
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04:34<Karnaugh>hi, I'm trying to find a decent resource for making a custom debian install ISO
04:35<Karnaugh>have looked at, but it leaves a bit to be desired
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04:37<twb>Is this manual in an apt-gettable package? Searching for "gl.*doc" isn't very helpful.
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04:44<sep>Karnaugh, do you want to build your own from scratch, or just do minor modifications to a exsisting one. could jigido scratch your itch ?
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04:45<gsimmons>twb: AFAICT, only the source code examples are officially packaged ('mesademos').
04:46<twb>Thank you.
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04:46*twb resorts to wget -m and html2ps.
04:47<brisko>hi all
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05:16<godaddy>should I be expecting the results of dh-make-perl --cpan <modulename> to be an installed .deb file? or is there a furhter step to installing the .deb once it has been built?
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05:17<blarson>godaddy: I think you need to install with dpkg -i filename
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05:19<godaddy>hmmm ... the dh-make-perl command specified above results in a Dir named after the package containing subdir 'debian'. dpkg -iR /dirname returns "dpkg: searched, but found no packages (files matching *.deb)"
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05:20<godaddy>which is why I think I'm expecting the wrong thing from dh-make-perl
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05:21<blarson>godaddy: I never used it. But it sound like you need dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc before the dpkg -i .
05:21<godaddy>blarson: ta :-)
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05:30<colde>wie kann ich ein paket mit aptitude installieren, ohne das irgendwelche in ahhängigkeit stehenden pakete installiert werden?
05:30<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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05:58<alaya>colde: das kommt darauf an. normaleweise sollte man das nicht machen, aber du kannst der manpage für dpkg lesen
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05:59<azeem>alaya: you should be around long enough to know that this is an english chan
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06:01<pooch>anyone know how to install things on debian???
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06:01<azeem>pooch: with synaptic
06:01<pooch>and that is?
06:01<azeem>did you try it?
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06:02<cahoot>is debian even installed?
06:04<pooch>ok that didnt work
06:04<azeem>!doesn't wok
06:04<azeem>!doesn't work
06:04<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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06:05<`cUt3_l4dY`>Who do u talk to?
06:05<padski>twb: seems mesademos include examples from the red book
06:05<azeem>`cUt3_l4dY`: do you have a Debian question?
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06:07<pooch>ok any advice on how to install a deb file
06:07<`cUt3_l4dY`>Yeah, wht's debian actually? Is tht like a programe?
06:07<dpkg>somebody said debian was See
06:08<Torsten_W>pooch: dpkg -i foo.deb
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06:08<cahoot>pooch: you decidedly want to install something not available from the debian repositories?
06:08<pooch>i tried that
06:09<pooch>I want to install aim
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06:09<azeem>what is aim?
06:09<pooch>aol instant messenger
06:09<azeem>there's a .deb for that?
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06:10<pooch>right there
06:10<Torsten_W>use pidgin
06:10<azeem>which version of Debian are you running?
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06:10<Torsten_W>pooch: and "i tried that" is not an error message
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06:13<pooch>i cant find anything called pidgin
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06:13<azeem>11:08 < azeem> which version of Debian are you running?
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06:16<dpkg>i guess pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch from, ask me about <>
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06:20<kharn>'lo all
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06:20<cahoot>kharn: try k-p
06:20<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>
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06:21*kharn is gunna break his box as he attempts to upgrade his kernal for the first time .. :P
06:21<stuart_>can anyone suggest why 4 known good memory sticks and 4 known good memory slots wont work all at the same time - only can get 3 working...
06:21<kharn>thx cahoot
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06:22<cahoot>stuart_: checked dmesg?
06:22<Philippe>stuart_: line impendance and capacitance.
06:23<Philippe>stuart_: if it is not a problem with the kernel trying to support the amount of memory it probably is a HW problem
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06:24<stuart_>it is definetley a hardware problem
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06:24<stuart_>the machine wont get past the bios screen and I cant enter the bios
06:25<stuart_>but why?
06:25<gxblary>Hi I'm looking for some help to run PHP on debian, is there a dedicated chan?
06:25<stuart_>take one of the 4 sticks out and all is fine
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06:25<stuart_>any 1 of the 4 sticks!!!
06:25<kharn>stuart_: you have tried each slot and each stick seperately?
06:25<jm_>!tell gxblary -about ask
06:26<stuart_>kharn: i have added 2 new sticks and tested each of those and the corresponding slots independently, yes
06:26<Philippe>stuart_: line impendance and capacitance... The amount of chips on the ram is too high to allow for decent signalling on the memory lanes
06:26<gxblary>-about php
06:26<gxblary>-about ask
06:27<kharn>stuart_: other thing i would suggest - dependant on how old your board is - is jumpering ...
06:27<stuart_>philippe -- the sticks are decent(?) quality and the motherboard purports to support that spec/speed
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06:28<stuart_>i couldnt see a jumper setting -- it's a p4 3gh processor - not dual core or anything --
06:28<Philippe>stuart_: there are just to many.
06:28<sheldonh>i'm trying to backport libdbd-oracle-perl using pbuilder. the package depends on oracle-instantclient-basic and oracle-instantclient-devel which, of course, don't exist. how do i tell pbuilder to ignore those two deps?
06:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
06:29<stuart_>philippe - is that likely a deficiency with the m/board which claims to support such a configuration or would it be the memory that is out of spec?
06:29<Philippe>stuart_: the main problem is the capacitance. The drivers of the memory lanes can not supply enough current to set the high signal on the memory lanes.
06:30<stuart_>is that a power supply issue or something different
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06:30<Philippe>stuart_: It is complicated. You can probably use 4 sticks of memory if they physically have less chips or banks
06:30<stuart_>ok, so give up basically
06:30<Philippe>stuart_: Nothing you can do about it directly.
06:31<sheldonh>nevermind, answered in README.maintainer (doh)
06:31<Tuplad>Any rhythmbox users here that have ever stumbled upon something like: You change the artist tag from say: 1200 Mics to 1200 Micrograms, but right after it's changed it'll go back to 1200 Mics.
06:31<stuart_>am i better off running 2 sticks dual channel or 3? Linux doesn't seem to use all the available memory preferring sometimes to use swap!
06:32<stuart_>philippe: nothing that might be fixed by a bios upgrade?
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06:34<Philippe>stuart_: nope. It is a low-level electronics problem that occurs often with high freqency signalling
06:34<gxblary>I have a problem with PHP or Apache; I'm running Debian with Apache2 and PHP5 (loaded); I'm running Debian Lenny. When I try to run a php script in /var/www/ it is not interpreted.
06:34<jm_>gxblary: did you enable it?
06:34<Philippe>stuart_: either you use less memory sticks. OR you try to exchange them for sticks with less ram chips on them.
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06:34<Philippe>stuart_: lowering the memory frequency might help too
06:35<gxblary>What do you mean by enabling (sorry, I'm still a noob)?
06:35<jm_>man a2enmod
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06:35<gxblary>Oh, I see... yes it is enabled
06:35<stuart_>philippe: ok, thanks. So you are saying that for a given quantity of ram - say a 512Mb stick -- there will be variants with fewer ram chips?
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06:36<pooch>o if anyone wants to know I found a package called gabber that works with aim
06:36<stuart_>philippe: ... for the same nominal speed
06:37<Philippe>stuart_: possible. Look for things like memory ranks
06:37<Philippe>stuart_: like this for example:
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06:37<kharn>is there a relatively (as in, VERY) easy way to update my kernal from 2.6.18 - 2.6.24 stable - my current deb host doesn't have it.. but is there another way without recompiling the whole thing?
06:38<jm_>check backports
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06:38<gxblary>Well, actually, it seems that the module does not exists (it was there yesterday :s) and I get an error: /usr/sbin/a2enmod: line 26: [: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/a2enmod: binary operator expected
06:38<gxblary>/usr/sbin/a2enmod: line 31: [: /etc/apache2/mods-available/a2enmod: binary operator expected
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06:39<stuart_>philippe: ok -- thanks for your help
06:39<jm_>quality scripting there
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06:41<jm_>make sure you actually have the package and all files from it installed
06:41<gxblary>ok php5 module is enabled now
06:41<pooch>anyone know where packages go after u download them
06:42<gxblary>I installed it through apt-get install and no error was reported
06:42<jm_>pooch: nope
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06:43<gxblary>jm_, I also checked php.ini, httpd.conf and everything seems normal according to what I googled
06:44<jm_>gxblary: is it working now? does apache status show you php module is loaded?
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06:46<gxblary>jm_, yes Apache told me that "php5_module is already loaded"
06:46<jm_>gxblary: ok now try it with lynx or links
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06:49<gxblary>jm_, well, I can see my source, not interpreted... and when I call the directory with a browser apache lists it instead of running index.php
06:49<jm_>gxblary: is that with lynx?
06:50<gxblary>oh, with lynx, I just typed the whole url e.g. http://localhost/mydir/
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06:51<gxblary>in lynx
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06:51<jm_>and it shows PHP source?
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06:52<gxblary>e.g. <? include(myfile.php); ?>
06:52<jm_>hmm then someone else will have to help you, I am only familiar with Apache 1
06:52<jMCg><?php include('myfile.php'); ?>
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06:52<gxblary>Thanks a lot anyway jm_ :)
06:53<jMCg>gxblary: since version 5.x of PHP, short_tags are off by default.
06:53<gxblary>well jMCg I set short_tags to ON and anyway verified if it worked with long tahs
06:54<jMCg>The check your browser cache
06:54*jMCg off for tea
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06:55<jm_>that's why I told him to check with lynx
06:55<jm_>so it's not that
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06:55<gxblary>I deactivated cache on iceweasel
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06:58<gxblary>Can this problem be due to encoding? I'm using utf8 for these files
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07:00<gxblary>it still doesn't work with iso encoded files :s
07:01<lestat>hallo all, I need someone's help. I am trying to use 2.6.22-bigmem kernel a "4 processors & 16G" Dell R900. When I boot it, it showed that it detected 16 processors(smp mode on), and THEN show "Brought up 16 CPUs" and stop to continue the boot process any further
07:01<lestat>and if I use 2.6.22 kernel, it works well while detecting only 8 cpus and 4G RAM
07:02<lestat>can anyone help me to figure the problem ?Thank you in advance
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07:04<dli>lestat, 32 bit?
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07:05<lestat>dli, I think so
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07:05<lestat>dli, it is Intel Xeon
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07:06<jm_>lestat: try various kernel options
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07:06<dli>lestat, why not use 64bit? it's easier for >4gb
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07:06<Engywuck__>it uses Xeon processors
07:07<lestat>jm_:where to set various kernel options? I apt-get install the kernels
07:07<Engywuck__>so it should be 64-bit
07:07<dli>lestat, I think maximum processors is a compiling time parameter, not a run time one
07:07<lestat>dli: ok, I try 64-bit now
07:07<jm_>lestat: your boot loader passes them to the kernel
07:08<lestat>Engywuck_: you mean Xeon processor is 64-bit one ?
07:08<dli>lestat, you xeon is 64 bit capable
07:08<Engywuck__>in a server from 2007?
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07:10<lestat>all: 6.22(non 64-bit, non-bigmem) boots normally
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07:11<lestat>Eng.._, I got the machine yesterday
07:12<dli>lestat, just try 64bit (amd64)
07:14<dli>lestat, it's quite silly to use 32bit bigmem support for 16gb ram, even though linux PAE supports up to 64GB
07:15<Engywuck>lestat, dell announced it in 2007, so it's a 20907 machine for me ;-)
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07:18<lestat>so which one shall I try: -686, -686-bigmem, -amd64, -k7, -vserver-686,-vserver-k7
07:18<jm_>amd64 release
07:18<jm_>not amd64 kernel with 32bit libs
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07:19<hatter>I have tar'ed up a machine that has ide disks and trying to restore onto a machine with sata disks, what do i have to do to the initramfs ?
07:19<jm_>hatter: maybe nothing
07:20<hatter>jm_, i am chrooted into it, but when i run grub-install /dev/sda it tells me sda is not a block device
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07:20<jm_>hatter: knoppix
07:20<hatter>jm_, kanotix
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07:20<jm_>hatter: is that based on knoppix?
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07:20<hatter>jm_, hmmm, it could be, i will check
07:21<jm_>hatter: this is in knoppix faq
07:21<lestat>I got offline which i don't know why. anyway, which kernel shall I try?
07:21<hatter>yes it is
07:21<lestat>686,686-bigmem, amd64?
07:21<lestat>or even vserver, k7 ?
07:23<jm_>hatter: i.e. check if it's mounted with nodev
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07:23<jm_>yeah it's still in the FAQ
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07:26<dli>lestat, amd64 arch, -amd64 linux-image
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07:32<hatter>jm_, hmm, its not mounted with nodev, when i am in the chroot, the /dev directory only shows /dev/hd?'s , i cannot fdisk /dev/sda from there either
07:33<jm_>hatter: does this kernel support SATA devices at all? maybe you have to load some modules
07:33<lestat>dli, I got IT! -amd64 and It WORKS!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
07:34<lestat>dli, before that I saw amd64 and thought it must not fit for Intel processor!
07:34<hatter>jm_, yes it does, its quite new, but thats a point, maybe the sata drivers arent in there
07:35<jm_>hatter: read dmesg output, ls /sys/block
07:35<hatter>jm_, so if thats the case then i need to add the modules somewhere then update-initramfs ?
07:36<jm_>hatter: doesn't it contain majority of them by default? how big is it?
07:37<hatter>jm_, dmesg from within the chroot is showing the kanotix dmesg, /sys is not populated
07:37<jm_>hatter: is it 2.6 kernel at all?
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07:38<hatter>jm_, the kernel is 1.3M
07:38<jm_>hatter: not the kernel, the initramfs image
07:39<hatter>ah, the ram image is 4.4Mb
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07:40<jm_>so I'd say it contains many drivers - did you actually try to boot with it?
07:40<hatter>jm_, yes i tried, but it gets nowhere
07:41<jm_>hatter: bummer, but recreating it doesn't help if you don't see /dev/sda
07:41<jm_>hatter: check if you have sata modules
07:41<jm_>!which driver
07:41<dpkg>driver locator is probably To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into .
07:41<hatter>jm_, ok
07:41<jm_>that will help you
07:41<hatter>jm_, thx
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07:54<IRCMonkey>Hi, It's a little out of topic, I would like to find the list of the latest operations on a journalized file system, like reiserfs, or ext3. Any hint and clue to help me in my search will be wellcome.
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07:56<IRCMonkey>jm_: that's a hint, thanks
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07:57<Tuplad>Hey guys! I've got this huge problem.
07:57<Tuplad>I have let my Debian run for 3-4 days straight, no problems whatsoever... just now I restarted it because it was getting bit slow and stuff, and when GRUB loads, and I press enter, I get an error
07:57<Tuplad>"crc error -- System halted"
07:58<Tuplad>what can I do ?
07:58<jm_>that's not a message from grub
07:58<Tuplad>I know, it's my linux
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07:59<padski>Tuplad, you get that if the kernel image looks no good
07:59<padski>I think
07:59<Tuplad>Weird, and what can cause that ?
07:59<padski>bad ram :-)
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07:59<padski>but not necessarily
07:59<Tuplad>I got rid of my bad ram
07:59<jm_>corrupted kernel, disk issues ...
07:59<jm_>bad ram too
07:59<Tuplad>the day I got rid of it my debian didn't shutdown till today
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08:00<padski>cosmic rays
08:00<Tuplad>but is there any way to fix it without wiping my system ? x]
08:00<jm_>rescue mode etc.
08:00<padski>Tuplad, is it repeatable ?
08:00<Tuplad>padski: what is ?
08:00<Tuplad>jm_: is it the single user mode ?
08:00<padski>Tuplad, does it do it every time ?
08:00<Tuplad>padski: yes
08:01<jm_>Tuplad: no, use a rescue CD like grml or debian-live or knoppix or ...
08:01<dpkg>from memory, rescue is at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
08:01<Tuplad>jm_: I think I had an ubuntu cd somewhere :]
08:01<jm_>that's a live cd too
08:01<Tuplad>I'll go look for one
08:02<Tuplad>found it
08:02<Tuplad>so I'm at the menu of ubuntu live cd, what to do ?
08:03<Tuplad>start ubuntu, install with driver update cd, OEM install, check cd for defects, memory test, boot from first hard disk
08:03<jm_>start ubuntu
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08:06<bgat>can anyone tell me why my lxr-cvs installation is showing the script source code when I browse http://localhost/lxr/source, rather than running the script and showing its output?
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08:07<Tuplad>jm_: ok, I'm in
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08:11<Tuplad>!rescue mode
08:11<dpkg>Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see
08:12-!-mode/#debian [+l 341] by debhelper
08:12<jm_>mount it
08:12<jm_>run badblocks in read-only mode
08:12<jm_>enable smartd
08:12<Tuplad>mount / or /home ? or both ?
08:13<jm_>the one where your kernel image is
08:13<humbertofox>Oi pessoal instalei o debian etch 4.0 no meu pc com o modo gráfico KDE!Meu problema é o seguinte, não consigo alterar o Hz do meu monitor.instalei recentemente o driver da nvidia, já alterei o xorg.conf mais não deu em nada continua em 75 Hz quero mudar para 60 Hz.fui no caminho /etc/X11/xorg.conf.o cominho é esse ou preciso editar mais algum arquivo???
08:13<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:14<Tuplad> / that is
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08:17<cyrax>I just reformatted my Western Digital HDD as an ext3 drive. I was looking @ the resultant disk and I see that 7GB of the disk is already under use without me having copied any data on it.
08:17<cyrax>Is this normal for ext3 partitions?
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08:18<jm_>mkfs reserves some space for root user by default
08:18<Tuplad>jm_: I can't find what my / partition is, the /dev/ thing
08:18<jm_>Tuplad: cat /proc/partitions
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08:19<cyrax>jm_, hmm I see.
08:20<cyrax>thank you
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08:24<Tuplad>jm_: oh it's mounted now, but I need root to access it, how do I remove it ? :D
08:24<Tuplad>I wanna be sure if that's the right drive
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08:24<jm_>Tuplad: remove what?
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08:25<Tuplad>when I click on the mounted drives it says I need root rights to access it, but nvm I'm past it, sudo nautilus :D
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08:26<Tuplad>... or no, I'm not past it :(
08:26<Tuplad>this is depressing
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08:28<Tuplad>ok, I found it
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08:28<Tuplad>so now I fsck /mnt/hda1 ?
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08:31<jm_>run badblocks in read-only mode first and start smartd if it is available
08:32<Tuplad>I think I f'd up badly
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08:32<Tuplad>I unmounted /dev/hda1 and hda3
08:32<Tuplad>and did fsck /dev/hda1, but while doing that browsing some ubuntu folders and it just froze >_>
08:33<humbertofox>Hello personal I installed the debian etch 4,0 in my pc with the graphic way KDE! My problem is the following one, not with himself alter the Hz of the my one monitor.installed recently the driver of the nvidia, already I altered the xorg.conf more did not lead to nothing continues in 75 Hz I am going to change for 60 Hz in the road /etc/X11/xorg.conf.o cumin is that or necessary edit more some file???
08:33<keith>Debian 4.0: Network printer. Direct Printers. I tried CUPS and DHCP and also BootP but neither can work for me. Also tried Printtool but no success there either. I have all the printer data such as MAC and IP addresses. Any help?
08:33<jm_>humbertofox: no that's enough
08:33<jm_>keith: what kind of printer?
08:34<keith>jm: HP Photosmart 2710 all-in-one
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08:35<Tuplad>jm_: how to run badblocks in read only mode ?
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08:38<jm_>Tuplad: badblocks /dev/hda1
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08:38<jm_>keith: use socket with port 9100 in CUPS config
08:39<humbertofox>Does not it understand?
08:39<Tuplad>oh ok, thought some special command was needed :]
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08:40<humbertofox>Does not it understand?
08:41<keith>jm: Yes I did that. Is CUPS the best way to go?
08:41<jm_>keith: probably
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08:43<keith>jm_: OK I'll keep plugging away at it. Obviously I'm doing something incorrectly. or an ommission. Thanks.
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08:44<jm_>keith: telnet to it manually first and see if it works
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08:45<Tuplad>jm_: badblocks is finished
08:45<gxblary>I have a problem with PHP or Apache; I'm running Debian with Apache2 and PHP5 (loaded); I'm running Debian Lenny. When I try to run a php script in /var/www/ it is not interpreted. PHP module is enbaled and loaded in Apache
08:46<jm_>Tuplad: did it report anything?
08:46<keith>jm_: I used 'ping'and the cannot connect message came on.
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08:48<Tuplad>jm_: nope
08:48<jm_>keith: how did you use ping?
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08:49<jm_>Tuplad: then mount it and run debsums for your kernel package
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08:49<keith>jm_: I have the printers IP address and also I named it in the /etc/hosts
08:50<jm_>keith: I fail to see how ping would say cannot connect
08:51<Tuplad>jm_: ok
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08:51<tel17_>globo esporte.
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08:58<keith>jm_: You are correct. ping did not do anything except gave the 100% loss message. The cannot connect must have been something else I tried. I have tried so many things.
08:59<jm_>keith: are you sure you have the right IP?
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09:03<ranix>this is kind of off topic, but does anyone know how I can sync an operation in C to the vertical refresh in X (using xlib)?
09:03<ranix>or what would be better is a point toward where I can find that out
09:03<weasel>does X have a concept of vertical refresh?
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09:04<ranix>gtk does, somehow, I thought it got it from X
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09:05<Tuplad>jm_: my kernel package, is that vmlinuz ? or initrd.img
09:05<ranix>I'm getting too much garbage from google about xgl when I search for xlib and vsync
09:05<jm_>Tuplad: not, Debian package - dpkg -l|grep linux
09:06<jm_>ranix: why do you care about it?
09:06<ranix>jm_: drawing a waveform to the screen
09:06<ranix>want to do a cairo_paint() 60 times a second
09:06<ranix>might as well vsync it
09:07<jm_>and what if it's running at 75hz? or 120?
09:07<ranix>jm_: custom hardware
09:07<ranix>60hz only
09:08<Tuplad>jm_: *scratches head* I don't have 'em, or I dont know where to find them
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09:09<msamour>Tuplad, /boot
09:09<jm_>Tuplad: did you chroot into it?
09:10<azeem>hi lidb
09:10<keith>jm_:Well I have a printed out sheet here which says HP Network Configuration page. Problem is I am not sure if I got that off the web or the printer itself since I was looking thru both. If its off the HP web page then it may be incorrect. I assume every individual printer must have a unique address.
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09:10<jm_>keith: all our HP printers have a display where you can configure its IP (or set it to use DHCP)
09:10<Tuplad>jm_: chroot the package or my mounted partition ? I really have no idea what I'm doing :]
09:11<jm_>Tuplad: mounted fs
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09:13<Tuplad>jm_: nope, I didnt. btw, I cant debsums it, package not installed an nothing on apt either
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09:13<keith>jm_: OK I'll try to do that. Idon't know how to do that but I'll look it up in the manual. If I can find it.
09:13<jm_>Tuplad: so chroot first
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09:14<Tuplad>which rights to give?
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09:15<jm_>what rights?
09:15<Rhaven>hi #debian
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09:18<Tuplad>so ok I chrooted it
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09:19<jm_>now run dpkg and debsums
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09:20<Tuplad>jm_: not there
09:21<jm_>Tuplad: what is not there?
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09:24<Tuplad>jm_: debsums
09:25<jm_>!tell Tuplad -about install it
09:25<jm_>Tuplad: install it
09:26<Tuplad>jm_: it's not in apt :) or shall I just look for it on google?
09:27<jm_>Tuplad: huh?
09:27<jm_>!info debsums etch
09:28<dpkg>debsums: (Verify installed package files against MD5 checksums.), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.30 (etch), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 88 kB
09:28<jm_>so much for it not being "in" apt
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09:28<Tuplad>!info debsums lenny
09:28<dpkg>debsums: (Verify installed package files against MD5 checksums.), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.34 (lenny), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 176 kB
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09:28<Tuplad>but my live cd is an ubuntu one, does that matter ?
09:29<jm_>Tuplad: ok find out package name first
09:29<jm_>Tuplad: that's why you do this in chroot!!!!!!
09:29<Tuplad>I do this in chroot
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09:29<jm_>ok find the name
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09:30<dpkg>it has been said that ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list.
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09:33<Tuplad>I found debsums
09:33<Tuplad>and I installed it, but, lol, in ubuntu >_>
09:34<jm_>no that won't help, just find the package name in chroot
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09:35<Tuplad>what if I put the archive I downloaded in /mnt/hda1 and install it from chroot?
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09:36<jm_>chances are it won't work so please do that, I am running out of my patience
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09:39<dpkg>i heard ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list.
09:40<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati>
09:40<noflash>!tell roth -about msg the bot
09:40<Tuplad>jm_: Hehe, I will, I'm sorry though :) I'm really new at all of this, thanks for your patience so far
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09:42<Tuplad>:( it doesnt work indeed
09:42<jm_>what doesn't work?
09:43<jm_>ahh installing it
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09:46<Tuplad>copied it, did dpkg -i debsums.deb but it gave me a bunch of errors
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09:52<Tuplad>jm_: any thoughts?
09:52<jm_>Tuplad: I told you what to do, find me the package name
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09:56<Tuplad>jm_: debsums it is ? what do you mean exactly.
09:56<jm_>Tuplad: no, I said: dpkg -l|grep linux
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09:58<Tuplad>jm_: and it's the "linux-image-2.6.22-3-486"
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09:59<jm_>Tuplad: md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.22-3-486.md5sum
10:00<Tuplad>only errors, no such file or directory
10:01<jm_>Tuplad: are you in /?
10:01<Tuplad>oh snap!
10:01<Tuplad>doing it again :d
10:02<noflash>I'm nominating jm_ for the Patience of the Day award ;)
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10:03<Tuplad>noflash: I have to agree
10:03<jm_>would probably be good for "of the year" award too :))
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10:04<Tuplad>but it's good, you know
10:05<Tuplad>jm_: it's checked, no errors
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10:05<jm_>Tuplad: really? then I recommend retesting your RAM
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10:06<Tuplad>jm_: hmmm... I actually got rid of the bad ram, I dont know if I told you. but you remember me talking about kernel panics and such ? I removed the 256mb stick and everything worked flawless.
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10:09<Tuplad>jm_: ah screw it
10:10<jm_>Tuplad: how do you know you got rid of it?
10:10<Tuplad>jm_: I took the stick out ?
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10:11<jm_>Tuplad: what if others are not OK either?
10:11<Tuplad>I only have one, 512mb stick
10:11<jm_>check that too again
10:11<Zathras>memtest86 is your friend......
10:11<Tuplad>after I removed the 256 stick, I had NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER in 4 days
10:11<Tuplad>yeah I should probably run it
10:12<Zathras>or laternatively do some heavy compiling like a kernel compile
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10:12<jm_>Tuplad: because it would be rather weird that md5sum says kernel image on disk is OK, but kernel's internal crc check would fail
10:12<jm_>Tuplad: is it 686 compatible CPU?
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10:12<Tuplad>jm_: I don't know, frankly, my knowledge of hardware is very limited
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10:14<jm_>Tuplad: check /proc/cpuinfo
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10:18<Tuplad>jm_: I shut the computer down already, it's making me really depressive, I think I'll just wipe the harddrive and start all over
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10:21<jm_>Tuplad: doesn't look like a disk issue to me - alternatively install another kernel (say 486) and try that in grub
10:21<Tuplad>jm_: but what do you recommend ?
10:21<Tuplad>jm_: what you tihnk is the issue ?
10:22<Tuplad>jm_: ram ?
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10:22<toupeira>anybody speaking hindi can tell me what this means:
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10:24<amphi>tombs: 'hail [repeated] Shiva [honorific suffix].. hail [repeated] Bhawani", looks like
10:24<amphi>tombs: ETAB
10:24<tombs>np :)
10:24<jm_>Tuplad: yes, RAM is more likely - you can also try disabling cache in BIOS
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10:25<Zathras>Tuplad, a guessing game is not the best way to tackle problems. use memtest86 to eleminate the option that it is RAM related
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10:26<Tuplad>I'll do it right now
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10:30<alteoma>how can i enable sieve on debian etch running togehter with postfix and courier imap?
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10:32<Tuplad>jm_: the cache, is it "external cache"?
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10:38<Tuplad>jm_: oh, pretty :) I disabled cache and it loads :D
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10:46<Tuplad>jm_: thank you for your Godly patience
10:46<Tuplad>and thanks to all the rest
10:47<miczim83>can anybody point me to a utility that can decode base64 encoding?
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10:48<Baggy2>I need to copy a folder using a bash script. The folder name contains a space. How should I handle this? Tried both cp "/path/to/My Folder" /something and cp "/path/to/My\ Folder" /something
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10:49<Tupla1>feels good to have my machine back :}
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10:51<cahoot>Baggy2: according to the Bash FAQ - something like this: find ... -print0 | xargs -0 command
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10:53<miczim83>alteoma: I did google this already. can´t seem to locate a debian package
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10:55<Baggy2>cahoot: is there no simpler way? I need to store the name in a variable
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10:57<marcos>cp /path/to/My\ Folder /somethin
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10:58<alteoma>miczim83: have a look at
10:58<gxblary>I have a problem with Apache2; I'm running Debian Lenny with Apache2 and PHP5 (loaded). When I try to run a php script in /var/www/ it is not interpreted.
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10:58<miczim83>alteoma: tks will check into it.
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10:59<alteoma>miczim83: or use some perl script like
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11:03<Baggy2>marcos: thanks, but I found the problem. I passed the variable as a parameter to a function, and it divided the variables in several parameters
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11:05<Supaplex>~lart filesystem bugs
11:05*dpkg judo chops filesystem bugs
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11:06<alteoma>how can i get mails on a postfix courier imap on debian to get sorted automatically in imapsubfolders (like sieve - but i found no way to get sieve working with postfix...)
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11:10<jMCg>Supaplex: what filesystem?
11:10<Supaplex>ext3, nearly full
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11:11<Supaplex>luckly, a non critical filesystem mount for me. just a bunch of iso images etc
11:12<Supaplex>I think it hates solaris ;) This will be my third download attempt on that 3.7G image :P
11:12<Supaplex>but I'm dropping that in a not-so-full filesystem now :)
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11:23<jyri>auttaisiko kukaan mua kun asensin winen ja latasin ohjelmia mutta ne ei aukea
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11:24<dpkg>hmm... fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abreviation for in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi
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11:41<midas>Hi. I was wondering on how to get a perl script running under apache, so I installed libapache2-mod-perl2, loadeed the module, but when i try to run the script all i get is the perl script.
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11:43<midas>and now, after i loaded some extra modules, im getting a 500
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11:45<DeFender1031>hi, i have php5 and apache installed, but when i try to go to a php page at localhost, instead of rendering the php, it asks me what i want to do with the php file
11:45<DeFender1031>is there something special i need to do?
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11:47<themill>!php wants me to download still
11:47<dpkg>if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser.
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11:48<Supaplex>real men use lwp-useragent ;)
11:49<themill>telnet ftw
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11:53<midas>Hi. I was wondering on how to get a perl script running under apache, so I installed libapache2-mod-perl2, loadeed the module, but when i try to run the script all i get is the perl script.
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11:55<sahan>anybody knows how to connect to freenode IRCs?
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11:56<cahoot>the answer is probably dependent on what client you use
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11:58<cahoot>in IRSSI I'd guess /server then /j #channel_of_choice
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11:59<themill>cahoot: he's long gone...
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11:59<cahoot>you mean I'm talking to myself again ;)
12:00<themill>well, I'm hear, so it's not entirely to yourself. And debhelper and dpkg are listening to you too... :)
12:00<themill>!comfort cahoot
12:00<dpkg>There, there, cahoot. It's OK. I'm here for you.
12:01<themill>isn't that sweet?
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12:05<arw>did anybody try to get RFC3361 ( SIP Servers) working on dhcpd?
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12:12<Supaplex>!nickometer asdnfsdkljfsdjkljknrweu3478
12:13<dpkg>'asdnfsdkljfsdjkljknrweu3478' is 41.000% lame, supaplex
12:13<weasel>only 41%?
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13:35<douglaslps>Hi. I am prety new with debian. I am trying to compile the kernel version for my etch, but it seems that I got a kernel panic. Anyone can help?
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13:40<suiside>douglaslps: not without knowing why your kernel is panicing, give us the message
13:41<douglaslps>hey suiside, this is the message: atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0 / Some program might be trying acess hardware directly.
13:41<douglaslps>I've googled this... found something not helpfull
13:42<cahoot>then the kernel halts?
13:42<douglaslps>cahoot, there are a lot of those messages, and it got stuck
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13:43<suiside>douglaslps: using an old initrd for another kernel version by any chance?
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13:44<douglaslps>suiside, sorry, as I said, I am a new with linux. I am not sure about the initrd
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13:47<mjk>Is there an ncurses(!) tool like "(h)top" that shows a constantly updated list of (current and accumulated) network activity for processes, and also displays the processes' name?
13:47<mjk>ntop doesn't seem to do that, and pktstat doesn't, either.
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13:50<douglaslps>suiside: What did you mean by your last question?
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13:52<suiside>douglaslps: I asked if you were still using an initial ramdisk which belonged to your old kernel with your new one
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13:53<douglaslps>suiside: Please, how do I check this out?
13:53<suiside>bootloader configuration
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13:54<suiside>mjk: iptraf can do that for interfaces, but for individual processes... hmm...
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13:56<mjk>suiside: It's strange that I haven't seen a proper tool in my entire Linux life ...
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13:56<douglaslps>I am using grub, I was thinking that after the "dpkg -i image..." command, my bootloader should be ready for the new kernel
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13:57<suiside>mjk: atop might be worth checking out
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13:58<mjk>suiside: Will check that, thanks!
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13:59<douglaslps>suiside: Do I have to use the "mkinitrd -o" command?
14:00<suiside>douglaslps: if you're building a kernel yourself you'll propably want to build all the vital modules into the kernel directly thus eliminating the need for an initrd
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14:02<douglaslps>suiside: should I tell you all the steps I passed through?
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14:05<kop>suiside : I dunno. I like the initrd because it feels like I can move the box to some other hardware if I like. However I'm not certain that's justified anymore what with having to run mkinitrd anyhow when moving.
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14:08<suiside>kop: yeah, it's a matter of taste to a certain extent, but it seems to me that the person asking the question should try to keep it as simple as possible at this stage
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14:11<douglaslps>suiside: I've used this command for compiling the kernel: "#fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" is that ok?
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14:16<suiside>douglaslps: you propably want to ask someone else for help, I'm willing to try to help to find out the reason for the panic but as you still haven't answered about the initrd and I'm not really interested in talking you through everything step by step, not tonight atleast, you'll propably have more luck with someone with more patience than I right now, sorry. I do recommend ...
14:16<suiside>... though if you're new to building kernels yourself.
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14:19<douglaslps>suiside: I apreciate your help until now :) Don't worry. I perfectly understand you have something better to do :) I still think that I am probably running the new kernel. Still not sure about the initrd. Thank you anyway.
14:20<douglaslps>kop: I saw you exchanged some messages with suiside. Can you help me?
14:21<suiside>douglaslps: good luck, I hope you figure it out.
14:21<douglaslps>suiside: thanks.
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14:25<douglaslps>Can someone else help me? I am compiling the kernel and I got a kernel panic.
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14:47<douglaslps>Can anyone help me compiling my kernel version
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14:51<E0x>more update howto here -->
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14:55<chirart>ciao a tutti
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14:58<douglaslps>thanks E0x
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14:58<Rubeus80>i don't kow if i am in the correct channel...i'm looking for a lsb compliant ssh init script..openssh is not compliant
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15:00<E0x>Rubeus80: sorry i can't help you with that but cant you tell me why you need a lsb compliant init script for ssh ( i am curious )
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15:01<marth>hi all, I have a question and I hope someone can help
15:02<marth>I bought a new wide-screen monitor, a HP w1907 and ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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15:02<Rubeus80>E0x for heartbeat
15:02<Rubeus80>no way to monitor ssh service if not
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15:02<marth>I added the resolution 1440x900, but Gnome doesn't show this option in the Screen Resolution
15:03<ranix>marth: vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:03<ranix>edit by hand
15:04<marth>okay, I'm trying, but I don't know where to make changes, since it already shows "1440x900"
15:04<Rubeus80>E0x it's even crashes
15:04<ranix>try making 1440x900 your only available resolution and see if that works for ya
15:05<ranix>or if you get no screens found
15:05<marth>ok, I will, I'll restart and try afterward and come back here
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15:05<E0x>Rubeus80: i think is something of sshd itself that the init script
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15:06<Rubeus80>E0x but what i need is the init script has to return some values..and hace a status option
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15:07<E0x>Rubeus80: try edit it yourself is just a bash script
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15:08<Rubeus80>E0x it's just a bit more complicated than that
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15:09<marth>the monitor said: input signal out of range :|
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15:09<kjb>marth: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log have to say about the 1440x900 resolution?
15:09<marth>okay *looking*
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15:10<E0x>maybe is the video driver
15:10<E0x>what video card you have marth ?
15:10<marth>"VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter"
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15:11<E0x>what video driver are you using ?
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15:11<marth>I'm sorry, I don't know how to tell
15:12<E0x>look in xorg.conf file in the device section
15:12<marth>oh, via
15:12<marth>Driver "via"
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15:13<marth>I'm not sure where to look in Xorg.0.log for information
15:13<marth>I searched for (EE) but there's nothing about that
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15:14<marth>(II) VIA(0): Not using default mode "1440x900" (horizontal sync too wide)
15:14<marth>that may be it?
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15:14<kjb>marth: yes, the driver has rejected that mode
15:14<E0x>marth: heck the horizontal sync and vertial
15:14<marth>I used the freq. 24-83
15:14<E0x>marth: is a laptop ?
15:15<marth>eh, no, a desktop machine
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15:15<marth>and 2.6.18-6-k7 #1 SMP
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15:16<E0x>marth: what monitor ?
15:17<marth>it's this one:
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15:17<marth>30-83 KHz is what is says there
15:18<marth>should I do that?
15:18<marth>24 is to far back, probably
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15:19<marth>I'll give that a try
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15:20<toomasr_>hello, i'm a bit lost, i'm converting a rpm with alien and i get: dpkg-gencontrol: error: current host architecture 'powerpc' does not appear in package's architecture list (ppc64)
15:21<toomasr_>do i understand correctly, if uname -a shows ppc64 then i'm for sure running powerpc in 64 bit mode?
15:21<toomasr_>or can i somehow check the "current host architecture" that the error is telling me about?
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15:24<E0x>marth: ?
15:24<marth>no :|
15:24<E0x>HorizSync 30-83
15:24<E0x>VertRefresh 55-75
15:24<marth>yes, that's what I tried now
15:24<marth>and it's still not working
15:24<marth>(II) VIA(0): Not using default mode "1440x900" (horizontal sync too wide)
15:24<E0x>maybe will need update the driver
15:24<marth>but I'm not sure, that may be an old message
15:25<marth>(that's in the Xorg.0.log right now)
15:25<marth>E0x: okay, I ran apt-get update upgrade this morning, so I will have to compile by hand?
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15:29<E0x>marth: what debian you have ?
15:29<E0x>etch ?
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15:30<marth>eh... 4.0
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15:33<E0x>but better compile it yourself for debian etch
15:33<marth>ok, I'll try... openchrome will help me out?
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15:34<E0x>install checkinstall , when you are in the point of do the make install , use checkinstall -d for create the .deb and install it ( that will create and install the .deb package automati )
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15:35<E0x>this the debian way :
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15:43<marth>E: Couldn't find package svn
15:44<_shai_>marth: I think it's called subversion.
15:44<marth>yes, thx
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15:47<marth>./configure: line 19985: pkg-config: command not found
15:47<marth>huis:/home/marth/openchrome/trunk# apt-file search pkg-config
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15:47<marth>good thing this channel exists, hehe
15:48<petemc>did you run apt-file update?
15:48<marth>oh, it's an actual package
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15:50<marth>E0x: I'm a bit afraid that this will be more difficult than I hoped, I now get that package requirements are missing (xorg-server not found, vmc not found, fontsproto not found, libdrm not found)
15:51<E0x>marth: do you do it in the debian way ?
15:52<marth>I'm doing the "Compiling from source on Debian Etch"
15:52<E0x>show me your source.list file ?
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15:52<E0x>is in /etc/apt/
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15:57<Fionntan>Is there any info what happened to the backports server?
15:57<Ganneff>its having trouble
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15:58<Fionntan>are there any mirrors of it available?
15:58<Ganneff>yes. tons. google knows them
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16:01<marth>okay, now I get this message:
16:01<marth>(II) CHROME(0): Not using mode "1440x900" (no mode of this name)
16:01<E0x>you already compile/install the driver ?
16:02<E0x>showme you xorg.conf
16:02<marth>see the chrome message above...
16:02<E0x>use pastebin
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16:03<marth>oh wait, that's the log
16:04<marth>here it is
16:05<marth>thanks for trying to help
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16:09<E0x>marth: try DefaultDepth 24
16:09<marth>I'm afraid my via video card won
16:10<marth>'t be able to handle that?
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16:10<marth>but I will try, be right back
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16:12<femichel>hi, i can't install debian etch in hd sata OEM :S
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16:12<valdyn>femichel: OEM? how is that relevant?
16:13<valdyn>femichel: you want to use an installer that supports your sata controller
16:13<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
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16:14<marth>E0x: no success...
16:14<E0x>marth: do you have windows install in that machine ?
16:14<E0x>hmm , maybe the video card don't support that resolution
16:14<marth>is the Xorg.0.log being zero'd en rewritten every time?
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16:16<kjb>marth: yes, at least mine is...
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16:16<marth>one last try, brb
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16:20<pepepe>with a core 2 quad... which debian can I install?
16:21<enkrypt>why does "apt-get install" also install almost every "recommended" package from the package i install? how can I prevent that?
16:21<dpkg>amd64 is, like, See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
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16:21<djw>what's happend to
16:21<Supaplex>I ated it
16:22<enkrypt>why does "apt-get install" also install almost every "recommended" package from the package i install? how can I prevent that?
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16:22<Supaplex>by not incessantly repeating for one
16:22<enkrypt>does that help? :p
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16:23<Woet>how to found the port of mysql on debian?
16:23<enkrypt>well this apt-get behaviour changed since a few days or weeks, its quite annoying? i install one package, and it brings along 120 other packages that I don't need
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16:24<chealer> enkrypt
16:24<Supaplex>aptitude --without-recommends - check the man page
16:24<kop>enkrypt : You'd want to chase through the apt-cache showpkg results to be sure that required dependencies do not require other recommended packages. Otherwise, "man apt.conf" will allow you to set the defaults.
16:24<chealer>enkrypt: which Debian suite do you use?
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16:24<enkrypt>chealer: unstable
16:25<enkrypt>Supaplex: I've never used aptitude, I always use "apt-get install" etcetera
16:25<enkrypt>before, if I did "apt-get install xxx" it only installed xxx, plus 1 or 2 dependencies
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16:25<chealer>pepepe: what do you mean by "which debian"?
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16:25<enkrypt>but now when I install xxx, it installs also the RECOMMENDED packages, which are often dozens of packages i dont want or need
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16:27<chealer>enkrypt: because current APT installs recommendations by default.
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16:28<Supaplex>aptitude install --without-reccomends ... might work better. (and no, you don't have to use in interactively)
16:28<Supaplex>!why aptitude
16:28<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info
16:29<pepepe>hello Chealer... debian is debian (sid, lenny... unstable)
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16:30<Supaplex>pepepe: stable or later and amd64 or i386 will do just fine.
16:30<chealer>pepepe: these are called Debian suites. you can install any Debian suite.
16:30<pepepe>yes i know
16:30<Supaplex>or try kfreebsd if you're itching for some excitement
16:30<chealer>enkrypt: catching up on d-d-a will answer your question.
16:31<pepepe>with a core 2 quad amd64 o i386? with netinstaller
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16:31<chealer>pepepe: either
16:31<pepepe>recomendation please
16:31<pepepe>either?? it is imposible
16:31<pepepe>one must be bettrer thn other
16:32<Supaplex>pepepe: tell us more about what you are fishing for. impossible how? c2d's on up support amd64
16:32<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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16:32<chealer>pepepe: none is best in all situations.
16:32<Supaplex>then amd64. if you want non-free software like flash, i386
16:32<pepepe>your recomendation is then?
16:33<chealer>pepepe: which suite are you going to install?
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16:33<pepepe>i want use the cpu a lot
16:33<pepepe>i want install on a quad a debian with netisntall
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16:33<pepepe>sorry for my english
16:34<pepepe>i know that my english is very bad
16:34<nomadium>pepepe: what do you want to do with that machine?
16:34<pepepe>unstable perhaps
16:34<nomadium>pepepe: exactly
16:34<pepepe>matlab for linux
16:34<Supaplex>now we're getting somewhere
16:35<nomadium>pepepe: well amd64 have more cpu registers...
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16:35<pepepe>where is amd64 with netinstall?
16:35<dpkg>[netinst] a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>
16:36<pepepe>thank you!
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16:37<pepepe>and for unstable?
16:37<pepepe> net install for unstable and amd64?
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16:39<nomadium>pepepe: install with the debian installer beta
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16:39<Supaplex>which may or may not work, even in expert mode
16:39<nomadium>pepepe: that will install testing, and then you upgrade to unstable
16:39<pepepe>ok.. i always do that
16:40<nomadium>Supaplex: "it works for me"(tm)
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16:40<Supaplex>#debian-boot has a discussion about it yesterday
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16:40<chealer>pepepe: don't use unstable.
16:40<Supaplex>try it. if it works, hurrah. if not, do it the long proven way. :)
16:40<pepepe>i have unstable now in my desktop
16:40<chealer>pepepe: unstable is for developers and people with much Debian experience.
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16:45<Supaplex>you'll also get better support on stable
16:46<pepepe>i first install in stable y then can pass with synaptic to unstable
16:46<pepepe>it is ok?
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16:48<pepepe>why for quads have we amd64 and i386?
16:48<Supaplex>backwards compatibility. amd64 is rather new
16:48<nomadium>pepepe: because the cpu supports both architectures
16:49*Supaplex 's <3'n how AMD got it right
16:49<pepepe>but quad is a 64 it architecture--- i386 not
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16:49<weasel>quad doesn't mean 64 bit.
16:49<weasel>it just means you have 4 cpu cores.
16:50<Supaplex>c2d does
16:50<weasel>the core 2 duo and quad models usually support emt64 extensios or whatever intel calls them these days
16:50<weasel>so you can run them using i386 or amd64. your choice.
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16:51<pepepe>what a mess!!
16:51<Supaplex>same for amd. you could run a multicore optron or socket am2 on i386
16:51<weasel>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
16:51<Supaplex>no apple is a mess. motorola to power pc to intel.
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16:52<pepepe>weasel ... have you a quad?? what do you use?
16:52<weasel>how much ram do you have?
16:52<pepepe>4 gb
16:52<weasel>what will the box do?
16:52<weasel>server or workstation?
16:52<weasel>is there a 64bit matlab?
16:52<pepepe>great graphic card
16:52<pepepe>nvidia g8800
16:53<weasel>bad choice
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16:53<pepepe>for linux not
16:53<Philippe>pepepe: also
16:53<pepepe>yep for windows i thunk
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16:53<weasel>install i386.
16:53<pepepe>for linux too
16:53<pepepe>sorry but... why?
16:54<weasel>also, how about you start building sentences that make sense?
16:54<weasel>that's just a suggestion, but it might be a smart thing to do
16:54<Philippe>pepepe: Nvidia still closes everything. ATI has opened the specs. Better free drivers on the way
16:54<ia64>haha.. back to the same question.. however good your computer architecture was, even 128bits... if the program you running was a old good 32bits application, makes no differents...
16:54<pepepe>i always a lot of problems with ati and linux
16:55<weasel>should have bought an intel system.
16:55*weasel shrugs
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16:55<pepepe>ihave a quad
16:55<pepepe>it ia a intel architecture
16:55<weasel>but you don't have an indel graphics chip.
16:55<weasel>silly you.
16:56<pepepe>iy is true
16:56<kop>pepepe : Have you tried sage? I think it's a matlab clone. I'm wondering how well it works.
16:56<Fionntan>Is there a way to pin all packages from mono to backports instead of each package on it's own?
16:56<pepepe>but intel and nvidia are partner
16:56<weasel>Fionntan: how about you just set backport's priority to say 200?
16:56<pepepe>sage? i know octave
16:57<weasel>Fionntan: then those packages that are not from stable will follow backports, but those that are from stable will keep to stable.
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16:57<kop>pepepe : I forget the details. I think sage is a collection of math tools and may include octave. Somehow I get the idea that there is some integration.
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16:57<kp>pepepe, intel and nividia are not partners. they just talk to eachother alot
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16:58<dpkg>rumour has it, weasel is larger than a breadbox, or see <mushroom>
16:58<Fionntan>weasel: Well something like Package: libmono2.0-cil Pin: release a=etch-backports Pin-Priority: 999 but this get's annoying for all mono packages
16:58<weasel>Supaplex: don't annoy me.
16:58<ia64>pepepe, but one things raise my interest... is the matlab you running taking long long hour to run?? that speed is such a concern there??
16:58<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ tail -n3 /etc/apt/preferences
16:58<weasel>Package: *
16:58<weasel>Pin: release a=etch-backports
16:58<weasel>Pin-Priority: 200
16:58<Supaplex>it's a fun factoid. my bad
16:58<weasel>Fionntan: that's what you want.
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16:59<pepepe>yep... matlab can run a lot gours and hours
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16:59<pepepe>image processing
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16:59<NeoIce>does anyone have a possible explanation for the behavior exhibited in this image?
17:00<ia64>i see... but i don't think they coming with 64bits yet..
17:00<weasel>a screenshot
17:00<weasel>how cute.
17:00<femichel>hi one howto linux in SATA, i can't install debian etch in hd OEM
17:01<Fionntan>weasel: or is there a way to limit this line "deb etch-backports main contrib non-free" to point only to the mono stuff so that i can pin it with * ?
17:01<weasel>Fionntan: why isn't what I just told you sufficient?
17:01<ia64>pepepe, i mean matlab company..
17:01<bma>NeoIce, it looks like what sometimes happens when the screen blanks itself but doesn't manage it completely. If so, pressing any key should clear it.
17:01<pepepe>matlab run with 64 bits
17:01<Fionntan>weasel: because adding about 20*3 lines is boring ;)
17:01<weasel>Fionntan: count the lines.
17:02<weasel>Fionntan: how many did I paste
17:02<NeoIce>bma: but what would cause it to not blank completely? this isnt tty or login specific
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17:02<Fionntan>weasel: a sorry overlooked that, but wouldn't it then take the packages from stable?
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17:02<ia64>pepepe, but 1 question, are they complied in 64bits technology is the concern.. most of 32bits application still run in 64bits.. just are they up to the 64bits standard are the problem
17:03<bma>NeoIce, I have no idea, but I've seen it with aptitude sometimes. It looks like it's only the bold text that's still visible.
17:03<weasel>Fionntan: you apt-get install them from bpo once.
17:03<weasel>Fionntan: future apt-get upgrade calls will keep you current with bpo.
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17:03<pepepe>i dont know
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17:03<pepepe>perhaps it is compiled in 32
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17:04<pepepe>but mathworks is a serious company
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17:04<NeoIce>bma: yep, only bold. I'm kinda stumped regarding a solution. live with the annoyance I guess
17:04<chealer>femichel: what's your native language?
17:04<kop>femichel : I had a problem like that once....
17:04<ia64>yeah... same problem i facing with my adobe photoshop here... since i ran it everything on 64bits engine.. but makes no different at all
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17:04<pepepe>what's up!! don you like 64 bits ?
17:05<kop>femichel : I had to either fiddle with the bios or use an install image that had a newer kernel.
17:05<pepepe>dont like quads??
17:05<ia64>not that... just wondering when they can come out with my adobe photoshop 64
17:06<femichel>kop: spanish
17:06<Fionntan>weasel: what you mean by bpo?
17:06<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
17:06<pepepe>have yu a 64 bit machine?? which?
17:06<ia64>pepepe, same.... intel quad...
17:07<pepepe>amd64 o i386?
17:07<chealer>femichel: did you try #debian-es ?
17:07<ia64>at my company.. running windows vista 64...
17:07<pepepe>vista is the better?
17:07<femichel>kop: ok
17:07<ia64>but i can say.. performance wise while i doing my works, i can realize any diff...
17:08<NeoIce>I'll sit out till windows7 ;)
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17:09<kop>weasel : I've been parsing your apt/preferences. It would, on a etch system, install stuff in backports by preference whenever there was a choice between a backported etch package and a regular etch package. Right?
17:09<ia64>anything it is... just technology coming out.. just accept it.. see our computers in market nowadays, quad core.. if intel want, they can even claim that their chips can run 128bits..
17:10<kop>femichel : Or you can install unstable (lenny), which might have a newer kernel that supports your sata controller.
17:10<pepepe>the question is.... what OS its better for high performance in a quad
17:11<ia64>nothing about os.. is about the application you running...
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17:11<kop>pepepe : The OS that runs your application?
17:11<Fionntan>weasel: i added the lines as told in preferences, but still keep getting lines like that (mono-2.0-devel: Depends: libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 1.2.6) but is to be installed), used <apt-get install mono-2.0-devel -s -V>
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17:11<pepepe>a os is an application...-
17:12<pepepe>matlab is my application
17:12<pepepe>64 bits
17:12<femichel>kop: ok
17:12<ia64>and i still remember my prof in university told me last time, think OS as a tools to run your application.. at the end of the day, the one that did the job is still your application
17:12<panagos_>anyone know how i can check for regular expressions in the bash shell? that is, check whether a given string satisfies a regular/glob expression?
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17:13<bma>panagos_, grep?
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17:13<panagos_>bma: doesn't grep work with stdin?
17:13<kop>panagos_ : So pipe your string to it. With echo if necessary.
17:13<bma>echo $string | grep -q $pattern
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17:14<panagos_>bma: thanks! :P
17:14<ia64>that's why, i never think too much of what OS to use, is it good, or sucks.. just make sure that OS can run my application properly, without crash, in good time manner... that is a good os
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17:21<panagos_>and how can i index into the positional parameters of a shell? something like ${$i} giving e.g. $3 for i=3
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17:22<goran>guys how can i see which process use certian module?
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17:23<donfede>is there a recommended way to force auto-logout for a workstation (using kde / kdm)
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17:25<dondelelcaro>goran: yo>
17:25<dondelelcaro>goran: you can't; processes don't use modules directly.
17:25<jaakko>goran: what modules are you talking about? kernel modules? They work in kernel, processes don't "use them"
17:25<goran>ERROR: Module asus_acpi is in use
17:26<goran>i cannot rmmod asus_acpi
17:26<goran>i want to reload that module
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17:26<dondelelcaro>goran: that means that some other module is depending on asus_acpi; lsmod; will tell you what that is.
17:27<kop>donfede : If you're sitting in front of it ctl-alt-backspace kills X.
17:27<goran>asus_acpi 11476 2
17:27<goran>just this...
17:27<goran>that is lsmod | grep asus
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17:28<donfede>kop: no, this would be to logout a workstation which a user has left unattended (as opposed to locking the screen) ...
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17:28<dondelelcaro>goran: then something has open one of the fds that that module provides, most likely. You'd have to check what they are first.
17:29<kop>donfede : I wonder if there's not a screensaver that just logs you out. Which is surely a hack because you'd need to worry about the user changing his screensaver.
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17:30<rory>есть хто-нить?
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17:30<chealer>goran: please provide lsmod's full output
17:30<donfede>kop: yes, that leans on the hack side ... also, as we're in a radio environment (these are studio workstations), there probably needs to be some check that vital processes are not running (I'm even less clear on how to approach that :-/ )
17:30<goran>just a sec
17:30<jaakko>kop: If I remember correctly, default Gnome has a "locking" screen saver.
17:30<donfede>kop: thanks for the shout though :)
17:31<kop>!tell rory -about ru
17:32<chealer>goran: huh, could you preserve line feeds please
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17:33<kop>donfede : The key question seems to be how you know whether the person has gone away.
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17:35<donfede>kop: :-/ ... yeah ... lazy answer might be time of day (ex: midnight force a logout) ... but that's not smart at all. a slightly better answer would be to check X11 idle activity, and also check for a particular process running ... but that would be some custom type script
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17:36<kop>donfede : As long as you're doing something custom you may as well hook it into whereever the screensavers hook. But _somebody_ must have solved this problem already....
17:37<kop>donfede : Hang on...
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17:39<kop>donfede : I was trying to recall how it was done back when everything was serial lines. There was a serial line inactivity timeout. So, you could write a custom login program that spawned a daemon that does what you want, killing the X session at the right time.
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17:40<donfede>kop: for serial / console ... there is a bash setting to auto-logout I believe ... but that's different from my goal
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17:42<donfede>kop: $TMOUT
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17:42<kop>donfede : I'm thinking you hook kdm (or whatever) up to your custom login program.
17:43<kop>donfede : Heck, don't mess with login, spawn your daemon from pam.
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17:44<donfede>kop: cool, thanks for the ideas ... I'm still in the preliminary research stage ... no deadlines yet. I'll try to remember to shout back when I get the answer
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17:44<TuxCrafter>I got an external harddisk /dev/sdb with a root file system on /dev/sdb1 and my own system is running on harddisk /dev/sda with the root on /dev/sda1. How can i correctly setup grub for the external /dev/sdb root file system, so i can plug into an other device and boot of it?
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17:44<kop>donfede : (Or some hook in X that signals inactivity. But I don't see one. Maybe ask there?)
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17:45<donfede>kop: X has some "smart" ways of detecting inactivity (gaim/pidgin does some smart things with it, giving options on how to calculate inactivity)
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17:46<kop>TuxCrafter : You actually want to boot off of the external disk, or just have your root filesystem there after boot is done?
17:46<cusco>TuxCrafter: you mean... installing grub on your external HD so you can boot grub in another computer from the external HD??
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17:47<TuxCrafter>kop: yes that last one
17:47<TuxCrafter>i want to setup boot on the externel drive so i can put in in an other pc and boot of it
17:47<TuxCrafter>s/setup boot/setup grub/
17:47<cusco>you must use grub-install
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17:47<kop>TuxCrafter : Add a new section to /boot/grub/menu.lst like what you've got but change the root= kernel command line option to /dev/sdb1
17:48<kop>TuxCrafter : OOps. I got it backwards.
17:48<kop>TuxCrafter : What cusco said. "info grub" is very helpful.
17:48<TuxCrafter>sudo grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt/debinst /dev/sdb
17:49<cusco>im not sure something along those lines...
17:49<cusco>shouldn't it be /dev/sdb0 ?
17:49<kop>cusco : no.
17:49<cusco>to write on the MBR
17:49<kop>TuxCrafter : Something like that. Poke it with a stick until it does the right thing.
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17:50<TuxCrafter>i would like to get it right one time directly :-p
17:50<TuxCrafter>i am always poking around with grub
17:51<kop>TuxCrafter : Check the examples in "info grub". (Me too. For some reason it's appealing.)
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17:52<kop>TuxCrafter : Is this a usb stick?
17:52<TuxCrafter>it a harddrive on usb convertor
17:52<TuxCrafter>did a debian debbootstrap on it
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17:53<kop>TuxCrafter : Ah. Can't say about those. I know that booting off a USB stick requires fiddling with each bios you come across. It's a pain.
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17:55<kop>TuxCrafter : The trouble is that you need to know what device the external drive will be. For the kernel root= line I suggest using uids. But as far as grub goes I think you're stuck with poking around in bios.
17:55<panagos_>how can i index into the positional parameters of a shell? something like ${$i} giving e.g. the same as $3 for i=3
17:55<dpkg>one warez list being sent to andreanto
17:55<roende>hey, I'm running lenny with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 processor. The system had chosen a K7 kernel at install and has been updating it. But now I just dist-upgraded and it installed a 686 kernel which i'm now using. Why did it change the kernel? Which should I use?
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17:55<kop>panagos_ : man bash. It's in there somewhere (evaluating variable contents.)
17:55<andreanto>! list
17:55<dpkg>one warez list being sent to andreanto
17:55<TuxCrafter>kop: some how i got problems to create an initial menu.lst file with grub-install on the correct harddrive
17:56<donfede>kop: thanks again, see you about.
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17:56<chealer>roende: was a 686 Linux image already installed before?
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17:57<kop>TuxCrafter : I just don't know offhand. I always spend about 15 minutes reviewing the grub docs every time I use it and then, somehow, everything manages to work.
17:57<roende>no it wasn't. now the system just installed it by itself, for some reason
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17:57<TuxCrafter>kop: jups i will try my normal trial and error method
17:58<kop>TuxCrafter : Try "man update-grub". That's what makes menu.lst files.
17:58<roende>so i now have k7 and 686 kernels, but since 686 is the latest, the computer boots to it
17:59<roende>but what i'd like to know is why did the computer install 686? is it somehow better for my processor?
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18:00<Sid`>hello all
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18:01<chealer>roende: no, I meant, was there *a* (any) 686 Linux image installed before?
18:01<roende>no there wasn't
18:01<roende>just the k7
18:01<chealer>roende: please provide dpkg's log
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18:01<tomahock>hello, i've installed debian 4.03 and now i'm trying to connect to a wireless wpa network, but it doesn't accept wpa. what can i do?
18:02<roende>*n00b question* where is the log
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18:05<roende>i found the log, what should i be looking for?
18:05<kop>!tell roende -about pastebin
18:05<kop>roende : Paste it to pastebin.
18:05<roende>how is that done?
18:06<roende>oh yeah
18:06<cahoot>tomahock: using network-manager or 'manual' method to connect?
18:06<kop>tomahock : I've no clue, but there's probably an answer in the debian reference manual at
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18:06<tomahock>so far i've made this:
18:06<tomahock>but it doesn't worked
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18:07<tomahock>so i think is using network-manager
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18:08<cahoot>tomahock: you actually get the option to enter a wpa-key?
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18:08<cahoot>tomahock: you commented out everything but 'lo' in interfaces?
18:09<cahoot>i e /etc/network/interfaces
18:09<tomahock>i think so
18:10<cahoot>seems so
18:10<roende>here's my dpkg.log
18:11<cahoot>tomahock: what wifi-device is this?
18:11<tomahock>RaLink RT2500 chipsets
18:12<tomahock>i shoul have and wpa_supplican.conf at /etc/?
18:12<chealer>roende: do you use any out-of-tree LKM?
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18:13<TuxCrafter>kop: plugin the harddrive into the other system :-p
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18:13<roende>what's that?
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18:16<roende>shit.. i'd better go to sleep. but i'll come back to that kernel thing. bye
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18:17<jaakko>tomahock: You could try to kill the network-manager and add a few rows to /etc/network/interfaces. (eg under eth1): "wpa-driver wext" "wpa-psk mypasswd" "wpa-ssid myAP"
18:17<jaakko>tomahock: and then "ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1"
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18:18<tomahock>i will try
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18:19<Flushmailhelp>I can't get postfix to flush correctly on my computer... I run postfix flush and the command doesn't give any errors but the number of emails in the incoming folder doesnt change... (theres a LOT of emails backed up)
18:19<bma>Flushmailhelp, try running 'postsuper -r ALL' first.
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18:20<Flushmailhelp>bma thanks will do
18:20<bma>That'll requeue them all.
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18:23<Flushmailhelp>Ummm.. it's taking a long time.. it's a old server but.. ? How can I know if it's frozen or working?
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18:24<Flushmailhelp>I am VNC'd in... and then putty'd in by the way (dont ask)
18:24<Flushmailhelp>Ohhh.. there we go... 49591 messages requed
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18:28<Flushmailhelp>:( Postfix flush still doesnt work.... mailq still shows 49000 requests..?
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18:32<Flushmailhelp>Now all the emails seem to be stuck in the 'maildrop' folder... help?
18:33<phorce1>Flushmailhelp: You need to find out *why* they are "sticking". Just running flush won't help if the problem still exists.
18:33<phorce1>(and I don't use maildrop, so no help there)
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18:34*phorce1 had Amavis die once and cause a backup -- and lost DNS once that caused a problem.
18:35<phorce1>It took an hour or two to clear the backed up emails but I could see the numbers dropping immediately.
18:35<Flushmailhelp>there doesn't seems to be a drop in numbers... so :(
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18:36<Flushmailhelp>Is there any way to find out what email it's "Stuck" on...
18:36<Flushmailhelp>or why it's stuck?
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18:37<phorce1>Flushmailhelp: As a habit I always try to ping several known and some obscure sites to make sure DNS is working if I see deliveries failing. That's the first test I do. Beyond that, you'll need to examine the postqueue - p output and look in the mail logs
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18:39<Flushmailhelp>okay thanks
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18:42<hatter>after untaring a system, when should /sys be repopulated ?
18:43<cahoot>at reboot I suppose
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18:43<hatter>i have chroot'ed into a new box, untar'ed it, but i cannot see /dev/sda it says no block device
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18:49<jaakko>hatter: did you mount proc and sys?
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18:51<hatter>jaakko, i mounted proc
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18:51<hatter>but not sys
18:52<hatter>is that the same procedure for mounting proc ?
18:52<pikapika>i've got a intel xorg driver bug coming quite often :
18:52<pikapika>it freezes the screen and there's nothing to do else than rebooting
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18:53<jaakko>hatter: I think so
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18:53<hatter>jaakko, thx am checking it out now
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19:04<gsimmons>pikapika: See bug #464353 in the BTS. A workaround is use XAA instead of EXA.
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19:05<pikapika>gsimmons: thanks
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19:08<n00bsh>hi guys ;)
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19:09<pikapika>gsimmons: dumb question but should i change this using dpkg-reconfigure or directly editing the xorg.conf
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19:10<jaakko>pikapika: edit xorg.conf and if you see any smoke, run dpkg-re...
19:10<n00bsh>why when I try to install firefox, installs iceweasel?
19:11<pikapika>jaakko: thanks
19:11<pikapika>n00bsh: iceweasel is the debian firefox
19:11<jaakko>n00bsh: It is allmost same, but no "Firefox trademark" included.
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19:12<n00bsh>hmm thanks
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19:13<hatter>jaakko, dammit, mounting sys didnt help :(
19:13<jaakko>hatter: What is the "box", have you mounted a disk into your current system and chrooted in that?
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19:17<hatter>jaakko, i have a tar'ed build, with a new kernel, which i chroot into with a livecd, (kanotix this time) then untar , then usually grub-install /dev/sda but i cant see /dev/sda
19:18<hatter>jaakko, procedure is, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt, chroot /mnt , mount -t proc /proc /proc , grub-install /dev/sda
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19:22<hatter>it says, grub-install /dev/sda : not found or not a block device
19:22<hatter>could it be sata drivers not available in the chroot environment ?
19:22<jaakko>hatter: hmm.. how the device could appear there.. bind /dev and /mnt/dev before chroot? "without any warranty.."
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19:24<Engywuck>mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot
19:24<Engywuck>same for /boot
19:24<hatter>Engywuck, before chroot'ing ?
19:24<hatter>thx i will try
19:24<Engywuck>say you have /mnt/chroot
19:24<Engywuck>then add a /mnt/chroot/dev and .../boot
19:24<Engywuck>--bind bith respectively
19:24<Engywuck>then chroot
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19:26<hatter>Engywuck, so its : mount /dev/sda1 /mnt , mkdir /mnt/sda1/dev , mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/sda1/dev
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19:26<hatter>chroot /mnt
19:26<Engywuck>should work
19:26<hatter>i will try
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19:27<Engywuck>some people say you have to re-load path etc, but never needed it myself
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19:28<jaakko>hatter: that is not right at all...
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19:29<jaakko>hatter: perhaps you were just busy typing, but it should be "mkdir /mnt/dev"
19:30<hatter>jaakko, but /mnt is where sda1 is mounted
19:30<hatter>you are right
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19:42<hatter>yes indeedy !
19:42<hatter>thx Engywuck and jaakko
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19:42<hatter>i havent had to do that before, could that be because of using kanotix instead of knoppix as the livecd ?
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19:43<hatter>actually, i think its because the build is ide and the new box is sata
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19:43<TuxCrafter>kop: i got things working
19:43<TuxCrafter>i am going to sleep mode now, thanks and bye everybody
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19:46<jaakko>hatter: don't know.. but teaching experiment :) I have never mounted /dev in chroot but on the other hand, I haven't accesed discs/devices chrooted.
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19:47<n00bsh>hey guys, iceweasel sucks.. I installed firefox and when I run the firefox, opens the iceweasel.. how can I fix it?
19:47<gigasoft>hi all
19:47<gigasoft>linux RULES :)
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19:47<jaakko>n00bsh: didn't we explain, it _is_ firefox!
19:47<jaakko>n00bsh: different name and logo
19:48<jaakko>n00bsh: what's wrong with it?
19:48<n00bsh>yeah, but I install some plugins
19:48<n00bsh>cause I want se my account bank
19:48<n00bsh>and when I install.. installs in firefox
19:48<hatter>jaakko, it did the job :) I am happier now, I have just noted it down for next time :)
19:48<n00bsh>when I enter in the site of the bank (with iceweasel) says the browser is not compatible
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19:50<jaakko>n00bsh: perhaps you need java or something?
19:51<n00bsh>yeah.. I already installed but got the same error :T
19:51<jaakko>n00bsh: ask the bank, not #debian ;)
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19:51<n00bsh>lol.. when I enter in firefox (windows), works.. I just want to use firefox ;)
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19:52<jaakko>"I just want" is not a good principle in debian
19:53<n00bsh>but is for the site of the bank :T
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20:04<blue_>hello,anybody having problems with mp3s and wav file clips?
20:05<avtobiff>!tell blue_ about ask
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20:09<blue_>my mp3s and wav files skip and stop before they are finished.Debian Sid
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20:11<hatter>blue, playing from cd ?
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20:12<blue_>hatter: no local
20:12<hatter>have you checked something else is not using up the cpu cycles ?
20:13<blue_>hatter: with htop yea
20:13<blue_>hatter: its does it in xfmedia,amarok and kaffeine
20:14<hatter>someone else that uses sid may know
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20:15<blue_>my du is about 1hr old although it has been doing it previous
20:17<hatter>the disk is not doing something ? like indexing ?
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20:17<blue_>i dont believe,how do i check?
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20:18<blue_>realplayer plays them fine
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20:18<hatter>i dont know then, keep asking here, check bts
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20:19<blue_>hatter: could you give me an example how i would check bts
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20:20<blue_>or is it just a search box?
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20:21<hatter>'sid' is not 'stable' remember
20:22<blue_>hatter: thanks
20:22<hatter>you can expect bugs in sid
20:22<hatter>i believe there are plenty in here that use sid though and would suffer bugs and such , ask again later maybe
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20:26<snogglethorpe>blue_: dunno the technical details, but I've noticed that recent kernels have had weird scheduling behavior... much less smooth than a year or so ago
20:26<blue_>hatter: cool thaks now i know why audacious does not work:)
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20:50<TrIXx>Hallo @ chanel
20:51<TrIXx>ich habe ein Problem mit einem D-Link WLan-Adapter
20:51<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
20:51<linuX|Reneger>TrIXx plz for german chan
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21:02<ptr>evening, folks.
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21:04<ptr>A question:
21:05<ptr>when a source package contains a tar.gz of the source tree, rather than the tree itself...
21:05<ptr>How does one make changes to the package?
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21:07<themill>ptr: what package specifically?
21:08<Engywuck>untar, change, retar?
21:08<ptr>I've made the changes I wanted to the source... but dpkg-source gives me "cannot represent change to sox-14.0.0.tar.gz: binary file contents changed." Which makes me think there's a hash stored somewhere, which I'm not seeing..
21:08<ptr>Engywuck: done that.
21:09<ptr>themill: sox.
21:09<ptr>I noticed a bug in its flac module
21:09<themill>ptr: the orig.tar.gz contains a .tar.gz? yuck.
21:10<ptr>contains a directory containing a tar.gz.
21:11<themill>sox uses cdbs -- there's a debian/patches/ directory that contains the patches that are applied to the source before building.
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21:11<dondelelcaro>ptr: yeah, in those cases, there are patch and unpach directives that handle patching the tar.gz
21:11<themill>you need to cooperate with cdbs
21:11<ptr>alright, I'll do that.
21:11<ptr>I'm amazed this bug hasn't surfaced on message boards anywhere... and it's silly enough I'm sure someone's fixed it upstream. I'll take a look
21:12<ptr>but it makes reading a flac from stdin impossible.
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21:13<ptr>the cdbs intro linked to from is a dead link
21:14<ptr>as is, "Why? See this document."
21:15<ptr>hey! /usr/share/doc/cdbs
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21:18<ptr>sox has the line 'include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/' commented out.
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21:20<themill>ptr: it doesn't in the lenny source I just pulled down. (line 9 or debian/rules)
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21:26<themill>ptr: good luck with it --- well past snooze time for me
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21:27<ptr>err, a little late
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22:00<VampirePenguin>hey any mutt pros here
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22:11<blue_>is there a channel for Sid
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22:12<craigevil>blue_: not really
22:13<craigevil>you could try #sidux those guys know about Sid
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22:17<nomad>im nomad
22:17<nomad>is ahy one here ??
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22:20<amphi>over 300, it would seem
22:21<Engywuck>i'm looking for a program in lenny
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22:21<Engywuck>i know i had it in etch, but i can't find it in lenny
22:21<nomad>search at gooogle man
22:21<nomad>you will find it
22:21<velixzeen>which program?
22:21<Engywuck>only bash-completion has a "ckfv" in contrib
22:21<Engywuck>google for a DEBIAN package?
22:22<nomad>yea or debian packages
22:22<amphi>Engywuck: apt-file doesn't know of iit
22:22<nomad>look at this
22:22<Engywuck>that WAS in debian before?
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22:22<nomad>there is all the packages you will need
22:22<Engywuck>i KNOW that site
22:23<Engywuck>that's why I KNOW that etch had it
22:23<Engywuck>but it's not in lenny
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22:23<nomad>whats lenny ???
22:23<nomad>i dont know thtat
22:23<velixzeen>locate cksfv
22:23-!-velixzeen was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
22:24<blue_>craigevil: thanks:)
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22:24<amphi>Engywuck: more gloom at
22:24<Engywuck>in sid there's a package again: # sid (unstable) (utils): sfv checker and generator 1.3.5-1 [debports]: kfreebsd-amd64
22:25<amphi>Engywuck: "This package is neither part of unstable nor experimental." according to the url I posted
22:25<amphi>only on kfreebsd?
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22:26<nomad>i dont know it
22:26<nomad>for what is it ???
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22:27<Engywuck>it's to check files with sfv files (instead of md5sums)
22:27<Engywuck>i think sfv files are basically md5sum files with crc32 instead of md5
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22:28<velixzeen>dependencies of 1.3.5-1 are libc6 (2 2.3.2.ds1-21)
22:28<Engywuck>ah, this sucks
22:28<Engywuck>removed because "noone uses it"
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22:29<velixzeen>would lenny install the sid file?
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22:29<Engywuck>i think it's only some freebsd-package and only on amd64 according to the name
22:29<velixzeen>or use debports?
22:30<Engywuck>even thn...
22:30<velixzeen>I have not tried debports, but it likely would would and you can back out
22:30<Engywuck>this package would be for a low-end machine
22:31<Engywuck>so i don't like the idea of using something CPU and/or hdd sppace intensive
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22:31<velixzeen>is the package simple enough to build on another box and move over to slow box?
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22:32<Engywuck>don't know
22:32<Engywuck>atm i am struck with windows boxens around me, perhaps i can try tomorrow
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22:34<velixzeen>seems the package is small and does not have many dependencies, so you might try either the sid package or the etch package on lenny
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22:35<velixzeen>or compile from source
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22:37<Engywuck>seems it has to be like that
22:38<nomad>is good unstable ???
22:38<nomad>how unstable is ???
22:38<nomad>is safe ???
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22:39<amphi>!tell nomad -about sid
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22:44<nomad>amphi, sid is good ???
22:44<leo>como andan?
22:44<leo>canal en español sobre debian?
22:45<leo>thx bro
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22:46<bauermann>anyone familiar with the libc6-dbg package on i386?
22:46<Engywuck>i found a nice program that's having a MIT license and does the same as cksfv (and more)
22:47<bauermann>it installs functional debuginfo files in /usr/lib/debug/lib/ and /usr/lib/debug/lib/i686/cmov/
22:47<bauermann>the problem is that those have only frame unwinding info
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22:47<amphi>nomad: if you ask, no
22:47<Engywuck>whom should i hint that this exists and chould be included in debian?
22:47<Engywuck>author of program? some debian guys?
22:47<bauermann>there's a complete debuginfo file in /usr/lib/debug/, but it can't be used by gdb since its CRC doesn't match the one in /lib/
22:47<bauermann>any hope?
22:47<gsimmons>!tell Engywuck -about rfp
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22:48<andrewsw>deboostrap gives: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/newroot mount -t proc proc /proc
22:48<andrewsw>any clue?
22:50<josh__>i dont have any key binding tab or action tabs in ccsm to change keybindings
22:50<andrewsw>hmmm... nm. cdebootstrap seems to be doing it.
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23:01<Engywuck>thanks for the tip
23:01<Engywuck>just suggested the file
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23:02<andrewsw>so, anyone know the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? (I know, c)
23:05<dondelelcaro>andrewsw: they're different implementations of the same idea.
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23:05<AlexJTanner>can I have some help
23:05<dondelelcaro>!tell AlexJTanner -about ask
23:05<andrewsw>dondelelcaro: seems that c.. is a little more recently maintained? maybe/
23:05<AlexJTanner>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
23:06<dondelelcaro>andrewsw: it is a newer implementation, but they both work just fine
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23:06<AlexJTanner>I am having problems mounting my /home partition
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23:06<andrewsw>I've used debootstrap before with great success, but it just failed on me and c.. worked
23:07<torrr>anyone knows if I can debug forked processes?
23:08<dondelelcaro>torrr: yes, you can.
23:08<andrewsw>AlexJTanner: what exact problem are hyou having?
23:08<dondelelcaro>torrr: by attaching a debugger to them
23:08<andrewsw>AlexJTanner: we can't read minds
23:08<torrr>you mean manually?
23:08<AlexJTanner>my problem is that I have a dual boot of ubuntu and debian
23:08<AlexJTanner>I am trying to move away from ubuntu
23:08<dondelelcaro>torrr: or following the fork; it's not that big of a deal. what exactly are you trying to debug here?
23:09<AlexJTanner>but debian is not mounting my /home partition
23:09<AlexJTanner>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
23:09<torrr>dondelelcaro, I want to learn the source of vsftpd
23:09<torrr>dondelelcaro, I figured it might be easier if I do it using a debugger
23:09<dondelelcaro>torrr: for daemons like that, you generally run them in single thread mode to debug.
23:09<andrewsw>AlexJTanner: that doesn't sound like a mounting problem. Can you mount it manually?
23:10<AlexJTanner>no I can not
23:10<AlexJTanner>it gives me the above error
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23:10<andrewsw>AlexJTanner: wierd.
23:10<dondelelcaro>AlexJTanner: that's an error from hal, not mount.
23:10<torrr>dondelelcaro, but then they run different, no?
23:10<dondelelcaro>AlexJTanner: /home should be mounted automatically at boot time
23:10<AlexJTanner>I tried to mount it with right click
23:10<dondelelcaro>torrr: sure, but that's generally not a problem.
23:10<AlexJTanner>and it gave me that error
23:11<andrewsw>AlexJTanner: oh don't do that
23:11<andrewsw>can you pastebin the output of mount?
23:11<torrr>dondelelcaro, I think that I need it to fork
23:11<torrr>dondelelcaro, because I want to learn that too
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23:12<dondelelcaro>torrr: then use gdb's follow fork mode.
23:12<torrr>dondelelcaro, how do I do that?
23:12<AlexJTanner>i may just wipe the hardrive and start all over again
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23:12<AlexJTanner>can someone gi ve me a good howto for ndiswrapper
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23:12<andrewsw>AlexJTanner: no need to do that
23:13<dondelelcaro>torrr: by reading the info documentation for gdb? I just about gave you the answer...
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23:13<torrr>dondelelcaro, there isn't the word 'fork' in the man gdb
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23:14<andrewsw>AlexJTanner: open a terminal and run 'mount' copy the output and paste it into
23:14<AlexJTanner>ok one sec
23:14<andrewsw>AlexJTanner: then post up the link here
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23:14<torrr>dondelelcaro, l google
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23:14<dondelelcaro>torrr: that's why I said the info documentation, not the manpage.
23:15<dondelelcaro>torrr: you want the gdb-doc package
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23:16<andrewsw>AlexJTanner: what partition is /home on?
23:17<andrewsw>okay, as root do this: mount /dev/sda3 /home
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23:17<andrewsw>and report back
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23:18<AlexJTanner>sorry got distracted
23:18<AlexJTanner>ok it mounted
23:19<andrewsw>is /home set up in /etc/fstab?
23:19<AlexJTanner>how do I share the home directory for the alex user between both OS's
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23:19<andrewsw>Ah. a little tricker.
23:20<AlexJTanner>yeah I am thinking once I figure out ndiswrapper I will remove ubuntu
23:20<andrewsw>make sure user alex has the same uid on each system. and then set up /etc/fstab in each system to make sure they both mount it properly
23:20<AlexJTanner>just clean install
23:20*andrewsw believes reinstalling is evil
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23:21<AlexJTanner>yeah good point
23:21<AlexJTanner>I am liking debian because it's a lot less weight
23:21<AlexJTanner>unfortunatly the repos seem to be a little out of date
23:21<AlexJTanner>good example would be gaim and pidgin
23:25*andrewsw dives into amd64 chroot.
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23:27<andrewsw>I'm migrating from i386 to amd64. I'm currently running amd64 kernel on i386. Will that kernel work in amd64 userspace on a reboot?
23:28<andrewsw>or do I need to pull in the official amd64 kernel to make it work?
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23:45<panagos>is tickless support enabled by default on linux 2.6.24 for amd64? or do i need to configure it myself? (or even check for support by my hardware etc)
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23:54<alaya>grep -i tickl /boot/config-`uname -r` ?
23:54<alaya>grep -i tick /boot/config-`uname -r`
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23:56<alaya>andrewsw: i don't think you can switch arch like that
23:56<andrewsw>alaya: well, we
23:56<andrewsw>'ll see
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23:56<alaya>you need to reinstall
23:56<andrewsw>I've got an amd64 chroot running and pulling down packages right now
23:57<andrewsw>I'm essentially reinstalling using debootstrap to another partition.
23:57<andrewsw>What I'm curious about is whether there is a different between linux-image-2.6.24...i368.deb and linux-image-2.6.24...amd64.deb
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23:58<andrewsw>I suppose I'll pull in the ...amd64.deb just in case
23:59<alaya>compiled with different arch options?
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