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00:00<andrewsw>my reading of the package description and various other bits suggests that it's the same kernel, just made avail. to i386 because the chips can switch modes on the fly and don't care
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00:00<andrewsw>I guess we'll find out
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00:20<freddy>anyone know whats up with
00:21<andrewsw>looks like someone messed up the perms
00:22<andrewsw>it looks like you can't link down into either
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00:22<andrewsw>someone fell asleep at the switch
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00:26<freddy> info:
00:27<andrewsw>ah. bummer.
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00:28<andrewsw>anyone know what happened to yesterday? it was failing to accept mail for many many hours.
00:29<Zeta>Hello, I get an error when trying to restart mysql server, "incorrect information in file: './mqsql/host.frm" Anyone know anything about this, point me in the right direction?
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00:34<cesurasean>Zeta, did you search google?
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00:36<irvinefirstnaz>anybody tell why i can't install firefox add-ons in iceweasel
00:36<andrewsw>irvinefirstnaz: it should just work. what exactly is happening?
00:36<Zeta>cesurasean: Yes, Ive tried a bunch of different fixes. I think I may have to purge mysqld
00:38<irvinefirstnaz>andrewsw: just says "unexpected installation error"
00:39<irvinefirstnaz>tried to install addons and themes it does the same thing
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00:43<andrewsw>irvinefirstnaz: have you tried from a clean profile? or from a clean user?
00:44<andrewsw>also, some of the extensions are available from the debian repos.
00:44<irvinefirstnaz>thats my next step - try to start a new profile
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00:45<irvinefirstnaz>theen see if it works - mainly want to get weather extension working
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00:49<andrewsw>irvinefirstnaz: this was mentioned on d-u the other day, someone was having trouble. I don't know the resolution, but check the archives.
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00:52<irvinefirstnaz>in the forums?
00:53<andrewsw>debian-user mailing list. google on and your search terms.
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00:55<andrewsw>good luck... here I go, rebooting into amd64 system... I'll either be back or not
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01:37<alaya>anyone know why CONFIG_IEEE1394 is not set in 2.6.24-1-amd64 ?
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01:41<nomadium>alaya: because is broken in that version of the le
01:42<chealer>alaya: yes
01:42<nomadium>alaya: use a previous version (ie 2.6.22)
01:42<alaya>only the debianized version or 2.6.24 in general?
01:42<nomadium>alaya: general iirc
01:43<alaya>hmmm ok. maybe i'll check out the latest release
01:43<alaya>i need 1394 support for a new thing i'm testing
01:44<nomadium>alaya: if you need stable support for firewire i strongly suggest a previous version
01:44<nomadium>alaya: 2.6.22
01:44<alaya>ok. do have that kernel so maybe i'll make life easy and just boot into it. thanks.
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02:21<vook>dpkg: hi
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02:23<andrewsw>w00t! that's a reboot into amd64 after upgrading in place...
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02:23<andrewsw>definitely not worth the work.
02:25<andrewsw>nothing quite so fun as self-induced dpkg hell...
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02:26<vook>andrewsw: its okay - because even in 32-bit mode our amd64's pack some punch. Unfortunately I'll probably never see PC2700 4 or 8gb sodimms :|
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02:27<alaya>oh my how did my fonts get all blocky looking?
02:28<andrewsw>vook: this was part of an experiment as I've got a new mobo coming for my main machine...
02:28<alaya>dpi is still the same. same fonts now look blockier and more spaced apart
02:28<andrewsw>alaya: did your eyes get smaller?
02:28*alaya wonders if something happened to FreeSans
02:28<andrewsw>seriously though, have you upgraded?
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02:29<alaya>isn't there a way to set sub-pixel hinting?
02:29<alaya>yes upgrade all the time
02:30<andrewsw>In gnome you can set sup-pixel hinting in the preferences, but I'm no gnome guy to know for sure how to do it.
02:30<jm_>it's enable via fontconfig
02:30<vook>but alaya likes KDE
02:31<andrewsw>check your aptitude logs to see what font packages changed and see if you can roll them back from the apt archives
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02:34<alaya>hmm its not entirely bad. this display has the insane resolution of 1920x1200 so actually slightly blockier is a bit easier on my eyes.
02:36<vook>hmm - that happened to me a while back, and I just remembered that I moved to DejaVu Sans. I just tried FreeSans again and now it's nice and fuzzy. ?
02:36<alaya>am using FreeSans which hasn't changed
02:36<vook>almost excessively fuzzy
02:36<alaya>mine look very clear, just somehow blockier than before
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02:40<alaya>oh no, there's also no raw1394 in 2.6.22-3-amd64?
02:40<alaya>is nomadium around?
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02:41<alaya>CONFIG_IEEE1394 is not set :-(
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02:43<chealer>alaya: no
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03:39<trueno>Hi! Is there a way to install beryl/compiz with wdm/wmaker?
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03:40<vook>trueno: of course
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03:42<trueno>vook - It used to work only with kde, gnome and the like.. do you know if there's a tutorial on how to do it?
03:43<vook>not sure how you'd decorate the windows though - just installing compiz as usual and then loading "compiz.real" from xterm (in windowmaker) will load compiz (but probably with no window decoration).
03:43<trueno>vook -- animation and the like will be available then
03:43<trueno>vook -- cueb, etc
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03:44<vook>yep - compiz becomes the window-manager
03:45<alaya>anyone know the story about lack of 1394 support in 2.6.22 and .24 amd64?
03:45<trueno>vook -- mm... and what about beryl? Same thing?
03:45<vook>trueno: I've never used beryl...
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03:46<trueno>vook -- I have tried it right now and says:
03:46<trueno>compiz.real (core) - Error: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0
03:46<trueno>compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
03:47<jaakko>eh, so both are window managers, wmaker and compiz, so how could you use both?
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03:48<Nom>Greetings all :)
03:48<Nom>I'm chasing a tool to help me build a debian package from a proprietary installer ... that is i want to watch what files it installs then package them up... any suggestions ?
03:49<dpkg>checkinstall is, like, a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. | Not in etch because
03:49<trueno>jaakko: yes, however it is possible to issue a compiz.real from an xtrm once in gnome and works
03:50<blarson>Nom: strace will get you lots of info...
03:50<jaakko>trueno: ok, just wondering. Does it replace the other window manager or can you just kill it and everything is like it was before?
03:51<vook>trueno: hmm, ok - forgive me as I may be a bit off. If you load xinit, then compiz, everything works. I can't test this here - no compiz. I've done something similar before though.
03:51<jaakko>Nom: checkinstall is not in Etch
03:51<Nom>That's ok, forgot this system was running Ubuntu (it's available lol)
03:51<vook>trueno: I think I then used console tools to change the background and loaded wmaker programs manually.
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03:52<trueno>vook - that can be... thanks anyhow!
03:53<trueno>jaakko: The problem is that it can't kill/replace the wm, I guesss
03:53<trueno>jaakko: The problem is that it can't kill/replace the wm, I guess
03:54<vook>trueno: yeah - when compiz loads in gnome - it loads and replaces metacity (and throws up new metacity-like window decorations).
03:54<trueno>that's it
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03:56<chealer>alaya: which lack of 1394 support in 2.6.22 and .24 amd64?
03:57<alaya>chealer: it appears to be completely disabled
03:57<alaya>chealer: and there is no raw1394 module in either
03:57<chealer>alaya: it isn't
03:57<alaya>CONFIG_IEEE1394 is not set
03:58<alaya>grep 1394 /boot/config-`uname -r`
03:58<jaakko>trueno: so can't you just start the compiz or do you need the wmaker for something?
03:58<alaya>modprobe raw1394 -> FATAL: Module raw1394 not found.
04:00<vook>jaakko: if you load compiz (from xinit) you have no window borders. Windows can still be dragged/manipulated using keystrokes/mousestrokes - but have no borders or controls.
04:01<vook>there basically just aren't yet any windowmaker compiz window decorations.
04:01<jaakko>is hacked or is this wrong page or don't I just understand?
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04:02<jaakko>or is that just compiz style advertising...
04:02<pooch>anyone here
04:03<cahoot>only in a virtual sense
04:03<pooch>ok can u help me
04:03<vook>jaakko: may be the "official page". not sure.
04:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
04:04<alaya>chealer: hmm, found some relevant info:
04:04<pooch>im trying to move a file from one folder to another and it is telling me i don't have permission
04:06<jaakko>pooch: then you don't have permission.. try login as root or sudo. Don't mess your system.
04:06<cahoot>not messing with system directories?
04:06<pooch>im trying to add a plugin for mozzilla
04:08<alaya>chealer: this bug report tells the whole 1394 story. long and short of it is that i will just have to rebuild a kernel .deb based on debian source and just enable 1394 myself.
04:08<trueno>vook jaakko -- No clue, testing, will be back
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04:08<alaya>when building my own .deb kernel which gcc is best to use? 4.1, 4.2, or 4.3?
04:09<alaya>this is for sid btw.
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04:10<chealer>alaya: what about the default?
04:11<alaya>chealer: that is gcc-4.2
04:11<pooch>how do I login in as root I get a message telling me I can't do that here
04:12<cahoot>pooch: doesn't the usual installationmethod via the browser work for you?
04:12<chealer>alaya: 4.1 (for building linux-2.6)
04:12<jaakko>pooch: "su -"
04:12<sep>pooch, you usualy do not login as root. you login as a user, then you swap to root using su or run a command as root using sudo when you need to
04:12<alaya>pooch: on ubuntu?
04:13<jm_>alaya: there's an URL for debian kernels with old stack enabled at the end
04:14<alaya>jm_: thanks. i didn't make it that far through the report ;-)
04:14<jaakko>pooch: And crtl+alt+f2 should give you a decent login. :)
04:14<chealer>jm_: the repository doesn't seem to be available though, no?
04:15<jm_>chealer: I haven't checked that
04:15<alaya>i see the typo in 1394kerel in his link
04:18<alaya>but yes no actual kernel images in his repo
04:19<pooch>jaaako: i didn't like that i don't know the commands
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04:20<alaya>its trivial enough to rebuild a .deb from linux-source
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04:20<alaya>pooch: what about sudo su ?
04:21<pooch>i know what su does
04:21<alaya>i've never seen this problem on debian, only ubuntu where root login is disabled at install
04:22<alaya>pooch: no that is the command to run
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04:24<cahoot>why would one need root to install a browser plugin?
04:24<jaakko>alaya: you should be a sudoer to use sudo.
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04:25<jaakko>alaya: I'm just saying it is not a good advise is pooch is not.
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04:26<alaya>but why is root login disabled in the first place?
04:26<pooch>yeah thats what i want to know
04:26<pooch>tell me
04:26<cahoot>not the usual problem that he's in X?
04:26<vook>sudo bash is fine though.
04:27<alaya>if its ubuntu, then he is a sudoer
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04:27<vook>root login should be disabled because "root" is a username that everyone knows - creating a security risk.
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04:27<alaya>no idea
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04:28<alaya>vook: we understand. but that doesn't answer the question as to how it got that way
04:28<azeem>pooch: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
04:28<chealer>vook: the secret part is the password, not the username
04:28<pooch>im the only one that uses this comp how do I un disable it
04:28<jaakko>pooch: You can choose in gdm settings if you allow root login (or was it in kdm?)
04:29<vook>chealer: not completely true - knowing the username is the first step towards logging in. If you have no username, the password doesn't matter.
04:29<alaya>oh i didn't realize he was trying a dm login as root. doh.
04:29<azeem>vook: are you talking about console or ssh logins now?
04:29<chealer>vook: if you have no password, the username doesn't matter
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04:30<pooch>is there any books online I could read or something to help me understand linux better?
04:30<vook>chealer: but the password and username combination are what create a successful login - password alone is useless, but "root" always exists, that's why it's disabled.
04:30<azeem>09:26 < azeem> pooch: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
04:31<azeem>vook: please take this to #offtopic
04:31<alaya>pooch: i recommend the boot "running linux" it might be online also
04:31<alaya>pooch: or "linux installation and getting started"
04:31<vook>azeem: I'll say no more, tell it also to chealer
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04:31<jaakko>pooch: debian reference
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04:32<chealer>vook: of course - but the reason it's disabled is a misunderstanding of security
04:32<azeem>chealer: you too
04:33<chealer>azeem: sure, and why not you too
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04:33<vook>hehe, okay chealer I'll see your sorry a.. in #debian-offtopic :)
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04:34<alaya>there's also #linux for general linux issues...
04:34<alaya>which no one uses btw.
04:34<jaakko>chealer: yes, you can add four (as root) unknonw character to you password instead the username.
04:34<chealer>vook: sorry, no interest
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04:38<vook>very well
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04:39<Baggy2>What is the difference between a directory and a folder? I've noticed that you guys seldom use the term, folder..
04:40<alaya>folder is windozespeak
04:40<jm_>if anything, folder is referring to mail folders in Unix world
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04:49<pooch>ok i have all these packages installed but I have no clue where they are going, any ideas?
04:50<alaya>pooch: use the dpkg command to list the contents of packages. man dpkg for more info
04:50<cahoot>you shouldn't really need to bother with where, should be accessible via a menu near you
04:51<pooch>i installed sudo but i dont know how to use it
04:52<cahoot>pooch: take your time and read the Debian reference - will save you aggravation in the long run
04:52<hachi>okay, that was a bit creepy
04:52<alaya>pooch: man sudoers
04:52<hachi>I just googled for an error message in my syslog
04:52<hachi>ran across a debian bug report about it
04:52<hachi>I was all ready to subscribe to the bug
04:52<hachi>... I'm the author of the bug though
04:56<hachi>I still don't know where the interface 'internal' is being read from. There is no such interface on my machine... and strace doesn't show it being loaded from any sort of config file, grep shows nothing on disk matching it, and strace doesn't show it arriving over the wire at all
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04:59<pooch>ok man sudoers just gave me a bunch of stuff i dont understand
04:59<pooch>thats didnt help me
04:59<alaya>cool, rebuilding a 2.6.24 kernel, get to turn on cool stuff like low-latency preemption model
05:00<alaya>also choose Core 2 processor family instead of generic x86_64
05:01<hachi>pooch: cahoot said there was a debian reference... if there is it might be a really good read
05:01<pooch>its hundreds of pages long
05:01<alaya>hmm, Numa support looks like it should be off also
05:02<alaya>for a core2 correct?
05:02<hachi>so, if you don't know what sudo is... why do you need it?
05:02<hachi>I know I'm simplifying the problem too far
05:02<hachi>but that's sorta the question in my mind
05:03<cahoot>he's been suggested to use sudo
05:03<jm_>hachi: it looks like your kernel returns it - did you check /proc/net/dev?
05:03<hachi>jm_: yeah
05:04<alaya>hmm, do i want tickless (dynamic ticks)? for a music production system this might be bad?
05:04<hachi>I'm reading the source code now, I'm willing to be there's a parse bug in snmpd or something
05:04<jm_>alaya: that's mostly useful for laptops
05:04<alaya>jm_: is a laptop. so i should want tickless enabled?
05:04<hachi>jm_: like I said, strace shows it not loading the bare string 'internal' from anywhere, ever
05:04<koollman>alaya: your music production system is a laptop ?
05:05<hachi>the only way it's getting into snmpd is via a bug, or some mmapped memory region
05:05<hachi>or maybe being hard coded in
05:05<alaya>koollman: yes
05:05<koollman>more important than tickless, you shoulp be sure to set everything 'preemptible'
05:05<alaya>koollman: preempt is selected
05:05<alaya>also have a choice between flat and sparse memory models
05:06<koollman>I don't know the effect of tickless on the responsiveness
05:06<alaya>timer freq 300 Hz ? says it is recommended for multimedia
05:08<jaakko>pooch: what is wrong with su? You "forget to log out", hah. And in any case you need the root access to make the "sudo" work.
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05:08<bimal_>hello everyone.
05:08<koollman>alaya: 1000 Hz
05:08<pooch>i have root acess
05:09<pooch>i have root access
05:09<alaya>koollman: yeah i was thinking that also
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05:09<bimal_>Is there any voice chat client in debian?
05:09<alaya>koollman: but it says 300 is better for smp systems. this is a core2duo so...
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05:10<koollman>alaya: I don't think it's up to date. you would need to do some benchmarks to know the precise effect, I would go with 1000 Hz anyway
05:10<alaya>1000 Hz it is then
05:13<pooch>ok I think i am getting some where what does status database is locked by another process mean???
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05:13<jaakko>bimal_: does it have to be in debian repository? how about skype? I think there are some, but you may have to compile the voice option enabled as they are not yet so stable.
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05:15<hachi>struct ifreq, sizeof(ifrq->ifr_name)
05:16<hachi>*grumble* gdb or something
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05:17<jaakko>pooch: do you any valuable information on that computer? :D
05:18<pooch>no why
05:19<jaakko>pooch: It seems like you are doing things you don't understand so I hope you don't regret it later. But if there is nothing to loose, have fun. :)
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05:21<jaakko>pooch: and that was not sarcastic. It is good to practise with non valuable system and try everything you like.
05:21<pooch>i put everything i need on cd before i installed debian
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05:23<cahoot>pooch: I still can't understand what browser plugin you mean to install - and why doing this via the browser doesn't work
05:23<hachi>anyone know how to start up gdb and point to symbols? I just compiled the debian package for snmpd myself, but it doesn't make a debugging symbols package
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05:24<pooch>i want flash player on mozilla
05:24<jaakko>pooch: why you didn't say that at first.. lol
05:25<ApOgEE->urgh... i'm blur now, just upgrade this board from sarge to etch but now, i got disconnected each time i login using ssh... any ideas?
05:25<pooch># Download Flash Player 9.0.
05:25<pooch># Decompress it, then copy to your Mozilla plugins directory and flashplayer.xpt to your Mozilla components directory
05:25<hachi>oh blah
05:25<pooch>that is what it said to do
05:25<hachi>hachi@miyako:~$ apt-cache search flashplayer
05:25<hachi>flashplayer-mozilla - Macromedia Flash Player
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05:25<jm_>hachi: uhm ioctl returns it
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05:26<jm_>alaya: it helps save power
05:26<hachi>jm_: ioctl doesn't return debugging symbols
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05:27<hachi>I already added %s to the format and made it print out the const char* name that is there
05:27<prahal>I have an issue with initramfs ... udev rules seems not to be applied when I use an initramfs ... is it how it is supposed to work ?
05:27<hachi>it shows that yes... exactly what I see in the strace is true
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05:27<prahal>because it breaks alsa and drivers than need to load a firmware
05:28<hachi>I've moved on to debugging now, but I can't find the symbols to be able to set a breakpoint and start walking up the stack
05:28<jm_>hachi: what? ioctl returns interface named internal1
05:28<hachi>so then why is this being called?
05:28<hachi>ioctl(12, SIOCGIFINDEX, {ifr_name="internal", ???}) = -1 ENODEV (No such device)
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05:29<hachi>I want to figure out who defines the type: struct ifreq... so I can see the size of the ifr_name field
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05:30<hachi>but failing that, looking at the stack of the running snmpd is the easiest way to debug this
05:30<hachi>buy I don't know how to get symbols for this
05:30<jm_>hachi: because SIOCGIFCONF returns it
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05:31<blarson>hachi: grep -r /usr/include
05:31<jm_>struct ifreq is defined in /usr/include/net/if/h
05:31<jm_>if.h too
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05:32<hachi>yeah, so that's allocated to be 16 bytes long, no problems there
05:32<hachi>I'm still hung up on getting symbols to just walk up the stack
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05:33<hachi>the answer is in the stack, I'm sure that it is, but I don't know how to deal with a debian package that doesn't have symbols... I'm used to my own setups or debian packages that contain the symbols
05:33<hachi>not the in-between
05:34<hachi>help me to fish... please
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05:35<blarson>hachi: get the source and rebuild with symbols. or install the debugging version if one is available.
05:35<hachi>I did rebuild it!
05:36<hachi>'just do it' isn't really a valid answer here, I said that I'm not getting what I want
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05:36<hachi>there is no package built with the debug symbols for me to install, nor are they included in the dev or main packages
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05:37<blarson>hachi: frequently, you need to comment out the dh_strip in debian/rules
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05:37<hachi>thanks, that's what I need to know... assuming it works
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05:37<hachi>no dh_strip called
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05:38<pooch>can linux get viruses???
05:38<hachi>grep shows it nowhere in the source
05:39<blarson>pooch: in theory yes, in practice not as such. but trojan horses and other breakins exist.
05:39<pooch>whats the best protection?
05:39<hachi>there's not much in the way of debhelpers in debian/rules
05:39<SharkMa-san>I think there is a vires scanner in repository
05:40<hachi>dh_installexamples, dh_clean, dh_pycentral
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05:40<jm_>net-snmpd does use dh_strip -a
05:40<blarson>SharkMa-san: they scan for windows viruses stored on a linux machine.
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05:40<jm_>net-snmp even
05:40<SharkMa-san>ah k
05:41<cahoot>pooch: you plan to run any server on your system?
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05:42<cahoot>pooch: then I'd say you can disregard the 'virus' risk
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05:43<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
05:44<dpkg>debian is, like, See
05:44<pooch>what is the bot set up for
05:45<njende>Hi there! Is there a way to get some kind like a Tab-completion for the bash -- i.e. I just used something like this"cat /var/log/apache2/domain-access.log | \" and in lets say 30mins later I need the same again and then I type just "cat v [TAB] and the line will be completed
05:45<cahoot>pooch: you /msg dpkg for help purposes
05:45<jm_>njende: yes
05:45<njende>jm_: how can I enable that?
05:46<jm_>njende: it's enabled by default
05:46<alaya>what is the syntax to specify gcc-4.1 to make-kpkg ? CC=gcc-4.1 ?
05:46<jaakko>njende: use "up arrow" (in same terminal)
05:46<alaya>aha, it is
05:47<gaua>njende: or CTRL+R for searching typed commands
05:47<njende>gaua: I'll try that
05:47<pooch>does limewire work with linux?
05:47<padski>!tell pooch about dpkgbot
05:48<jm_>njende: alternatively bind history-search-backward to C-r
05:48<dpkg>somebody said dpkgbot was Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.
05:48<njende>jm_: How should I do that?
05:49<jm_>njende: man bash, read READLINE section
05:49<alaya>shoot forgot to time the kernel build
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05:55<njende>jm_: hmmm...okay, so I should edit the .inputrc. Right? Would you mind giving me a hand?
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05:56<jm_>njende: sorry, I don't use bash -- looks like this: C-r: history-search-backward
05:57<jm_>njende: or use its bind command in interactive shell to test it first
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05:57<jm_>bind C-r:history-search-backward
05:57<gaua>jm_: isnt this set by default (C-r: history-search-backward)
05:57<jm_>gaua: no, reverse-search-history
05:58<gaua>jm_: ah
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05:59<bimal>hello every one
06:03<gaua>njende: set variable-name value
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06:06<njende>gaua: don't know really what you mean...
06:06<gaua>Readline has variables that can be used to further customize its behav-
06:06<gaua> ior. A variable may be set in the inputrc file with a statement of the
06:06<gaua> form
06:06<gaua> set variable-name value
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06:06<njende>gaua: so, I have to edit the .inputrc?
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06:07<pooch>anyone know of a good web browser
06:08<njende>pooch: iceweasel
06:08<pooch>that wont let be have flash
06:08<dpkg>it has been said that flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
06:09<dpkg>methinks gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project.
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06:10<njende>pooch: install gnash or flashplugin-nonfree
06:10<pooch>ok thanks
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06:18<pooch>ok now Im back to the installation problem I dont know how to install things
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06:21<cahoot>pooch: you need root privs - so su first, then aptitude install <whatever>
06:23<pooch>now I get the message "status database area is locked by another process"
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06:24<pooch>anyone know what that means???
06:26<hathe>pooch: another dpkg process is still running
06:26<pooch>how do i stop it
06:26<hathe>pooch: ps aux | grep dpkg
06:27<hathe>pooch: then kill -9 <pid>
06:27<jm_>do not do that
06:27<hathe>(then a dpkg-reconfigure -a)
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06:29<nomad>sid rules
06:29<pooch>Do I want a system wide readable home directories???
06:29<sep>pooch, how the heck should we know your needs better then you ?
06:30<pooch>well what does it do
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06:30<sep>it makes home dirs readable by all system users
06:30<pooch>im the only syster user
06:30<sep>not nessecarily the files in there...
06:30<sep>pooch, if in doubt go with the default
06:33<pooch>ok now what is the short common LISP site name?
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06:41<pooch>me/ is bored
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06:43<padski>!irritate me
06:43<dpkg>padski: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh quake3 kthx
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06:47<garme>hi, i've compiled the rtl8187 wireless modules... but i don't know how to load these modules on boot... somebody can help me how to this? May be a script...
06:47<njende>pooch: for a start you should look at: or here:
06:49<njende>garme: edit /etc/modules
06:49<njende>garme: you have to be root to edit /modules
06:50<pooch>what sound system should i use? ALSA, OSS, or default
06:50<jm_> <sep> pooch, if in doubt go with the default
06:50<garme>Ok... but where do i have to put the modules? I've compiled them in my home folder.
06:51<sep>jm_, yeah ?
06:52<hachi>yeehaw, found the bug
06:52<cahoot>garme: checked if module-assistant offers the option to create a deb for the module?
06:52<jm_>sep: just repeating
06:52<sep>right :)
06:52<garme>cahoot, i've checked... just compiling.
06:53<njende>garme: have you followed that howto?
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06:56<garme>njende, no. I'm sorry. i downloaded the vendor module ( and followed the install file procedures.
06:57<garme>njende, but thanks for the link. I'll see it now.
06:58<njende>garme: AFAIK the best way to get the rtl8187 is to follow the howto from sourceforge
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06:58<njende>garme: good luck ...
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07:00<garme>njende, thanks.
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07:15<njende>how can I create - if possible, anyway - a ntfs partition on an external HDD?
07:16<Torsten_W>njende: have u tryed gparted?
07:17<njende>Torsten_W: grrr...not yet...will do
07:17<jm_>ntfsprogs: sbin/mkfs.ntfs
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07:20<njende>jm_: havent got mkfs.ntfs in/sbin/
07:20<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
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07:22<njende>sep: aptitude install mkfs.ntfs -> couldn't find any package :-(
07:22<weld>does anyone know if i there's a notable difference in consumption of electricity between using the vesa driver and the nvidia one? does the nvida driver turn off 3d support if not needed?
07:22<jm_>!tell njende -about search
07:24<njende>and apt-cache search mkfs.ntfs hasnt given any results
07:24<njende>and a dpkg -S hasnt shown any packages for ntfs either...
07:25<jm_>and dpkg offers more suggestions still
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07:32<themill>!info ntfsprogs
07:32<dpkg>ntfsprogs: (tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 261 kB, Installed size: 628 kB
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07:33<appz>anyone can help me pls, i use debian and want to install java ... i found a guide that i fllwd but iam stuck at "fakeroot make-jpkg <file>.bin " it says " no plugins found " anyone help pls
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07:33<themill>!install java
07:33<dpkg>Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin.
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07:47<Snadder>ps -eLf displays each thread of a process.. but dosnt display how much cpu usage each tread have.. any way to do that?
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07:48<hathe>Snadder: ps aux for example
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07:53<EmleyMoor>How can I save the current volume settings for a USB sound device so that they are restored to the same level next time it is connected?
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07:54<EmleyMoor>(and likewise for sound cards, though I guess it's much the same)
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07:54<hathe>EmleyMoor: alsactl store
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08:00<Snadder>hathe, ps aux dosnt
08:00<Snadder>ps dosnt display cpu usage
08:01<Snadder>top does.. but I cant get it to display usage for each thread
08:01<hathe>Snadder: ps aux does print cpu usage here...
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08:02<hathe>ps aux
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08:03<themill>Snadder: ps auxm ?
08:04<themill>hathe: Snadder wants usage of each thread (not just each process)
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08:05<Snadder>themill, ERROR: User name does not exist.
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08:06<Snadder>themill, but ps -eLf displays time for each thread and process.. but some way mplayer(which is supposed to use 2 threads).. only show time on the main process..
08:06<ranix>psm doesn't work?
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08:07<ranix>ps auxm rather
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08:07<Snadder>ps -auxm
08:07<ranix>no not -auxm
08:07<themill>Snadder: no -
08:07<ranix>just ps auxm
08:07<Snadder>It works.. but it dosnt display each thread
08:07<themill>Snadder: ps has two sets of options... ones that start with - and ones that don't.
08:08<Snadder>Oh. didnt know that
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08:08<Snadder>Let me see.. maybe I was wrong
08:09<themill>Snadder: actually it has three... it also has GNU long options that start with --. On linux, ps is a hybrid of the un*x ps and the bsd ps. (man ps)
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08:09<blarson>the - options come from bsd, the non-dash from sysv.
08:09<ranix>can't say I've heard that before
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08:09<ranix>seen *nix where it should probably be *n*x
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08:10<ranix>or maybe .n.x
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08:10<themill>ranix: it's a very old one mainly meaning AT&T but without having to write (TM) (R) etc everywhere...
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08:10<Snadder>themill, thos this mean only one of the threads are working?:
08:10<ranix>or *n[ui]x
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08:11<themill>Snadder: that would seem to be what that's saying, yes.
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08:31<NeonNero>how do i figure out which options are enabled in the precompiled kernel?
08:31<themill>NeonNero: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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08:31<Gekz>can I limit the speed of a debian upgrade?
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08:32<NeonNero>there we are :)
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08:32<hathe>NeonNero: or zcat /proc/config.gz (if enabled)
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08:36<NeonNero>/proc/config.gz didn't exist on my debian system, but /boot/config-2.6.18-6-686 gave me exactly what i was looking for :)
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09:17<tip>hi.. how can i find ipw3945-modules-2.6.24-1-686 ??
09:18<themill>tip: you can either compile it yourself, or switch to the free iwlwifi driver
09:18<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>.
09:18<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at or #ipw2100 @, or <wireless tree>
09:18<themill>tip: ^^ your choice ;)
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09:19<tip>ok thanks guys
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09:20<themill>tip: if you want ipw3945, then you can use module-assistant to make it
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09:24<tip>dpkg: im noob on debian... where can i find correct sources lists
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09:24<Rhaven>hi #debian
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09:25<jpatrick>tip: dpkg is a bot
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09:26<tip>its looklikes a person
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09:27<themill>dpkg, bot
09:27<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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09:27<oskie>does anyone know of some network monitoring software that sends icmp/udp/tcp packets every second or so to see if the line is up?
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09:28<themill>!info heartbeat
09:28<dpkg>heartbeat: (Subsystem for High-Availability Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1456 kB, Installed size: 5064 kB
09:29<oskie>hmm, heartbeat might work
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09:33<ia64>hi guys.. may i know is there any limewire like application for debian??
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09:35<pooch>my linux keeps freezing at start-up
09:37<pooch>my comp keeps freezing that is running on linux
09:37<hathe>check log files why and when
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09:37<pooch>where are they
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09:40<pooch>what am i looking for?
09:40<sep>pooch, how can you read the logs when your machine freezes on startup ?
09:41<pooch>sometimes freezes
09:41<pooch>didnt mean every time
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09:41<pooch>its usually after my comp has been off for and hour or two
09:43<pooch>and right now my screen looks all funny, like in order to see anything u have to highlight it then it will apear
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09:45<pooch>can anyone help me?
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09:48<pooch>there now i can see
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09:49<pooch>so can anyone help me?
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09:50<azeem>14:35 < hathe> check log files why and when
09:50<pooch>for what
09:50<azeem>pooch: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
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09:52<pooch>it says something about something being half installed and then something failed
09:52<azeem>did you add the | tail -1 ?
09:52<azeem>how many lines of output?
09:54<azeem>paste the last line in here
09:54<pooch>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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09:55<azeem>pooch: which graphics driver do you use? fglrx?
09:56<pooch>wheres that
09:56<azeem>pooch: never mind
09:57<azeem>when exacly is it freezing, before entering graphics mode or after?
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09:57<pooch>when i log on then click something it will start opening then freeze
09:58<azeem>are you running gnome or kde?
10:00<azeem>and it doesn't matter what you click on, it always freezes?
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10:01<peech>pooch: what does "cat /etc/hostname" say?
10:04<peech>change that to a name without numbers and see if that fixes your problem
10:04<azeem>peech: huh?
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10:05<peech>with "hostname <name>"
10:05<peech>then later when that solved your problem you can edit /etc/hostname
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10:11<pooch>azeem: any suggestions
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10:11<azeem>pooch: no
10:11<peech>pooch: did you try what i said?
10:11<pooch>yeah but it doesnt change
10:13<pooch>i dont think I like debian
10:14<peech>then replace it with something you like
10:14<pooch>is there any other versions of linux that are easier
10:15<azeem>pooch: we don't give general distro advise here
10:15<cahoot>probably - but no linux will be fun if you don't read up on basics
10:16<pooch>it might not be Debian, it might be this desktop thing
10:16<jm_>try ubuntu
10:16<azeem>pooch: gnome doesn't just freeze
10:16<azeem>pooch: it's likely a hardware problem
10:16<azeem>or a driver<->hardware problem
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10:17<pooch>i switched from windows to debian
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10:18<pooch>installed debian yesterday and followed the Debian setup menu
10:18<pooch>I might have installed something wrong
10:18<pooch>not sure
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10:20<peech>i used to have this problem with gnome (with ubuntu and debian) when i used numbers in my hostname
10:20<ranix>try using X without gnome?
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10:20<ranix>maybe window maker or fluxbox
10:20<pooch>where do i get them?
10:20<ranix>see if it still freezes, you can narrow down the problem if it does/doesn't
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10:21<peech>pooch: have you restarted gnome after changing the hostname?
10:21<pooch>no im not even sure if i changed it
10:22<peech>that makes helping really hard
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10:22<pooch>i typed hostname dragonslayer
10:23<ranix>type hostname
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10:23<ranix>inspect output
10:23<pooch>then this popped up underneath it cpe-74-77-108-149
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10:24<pooch>ok it changed now in order to exit gnome do i have to restart or just log out?
10:24<azeem>log out
10:24<jm_>logout, ctrl-alt-backspace
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10:25<pooch>ok now what
10:26<pooch>i am thats how im talking
10:26<azeem>run "hostname", what's the output?
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10:26<azeem>is it still hanging if you click on stuff?
10:26<jm_>you also want to edit /etc/hosts
10:27<pooch>no not now
10:27<azeem>pooch: run su to become root, then "echo 'dragonslayer' > /etc/hostname"
10:28<pooch>ok did that
10:29<azeem>pooch: so report if you get another freeze
10:29<pooch>ok will do
10:29<azeem>otherwise, we consider the problem as fixed
10:29<pooch>i wanna try something brb
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10:29<pbn>Hello, I've seen in lenny there is 318 packages for 260 MB... what's all that ? a newer release of kde perhaps ?
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10:32<pooch>ok seems to be working fine now
10:32<pooch>thank you
10:33<daniel__>hello, anybody knows how to do that Debian recognizes the network card of VirtualBox? (sorry I don't speak english very well)
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10:33<pooch>now i have to figure out how to install things......
10:34<azeem>pooch: System->System Configuration->Synaptic
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10:37<pooch>how do i do that
10:38<azeem>pooch: look on your screen for a menu called "System"
10:38<azeem>pooch: are you running Gnome in english or some other language?
10:38<pooch>theres system tools
10:38<azeem>that'd be it
10:39<azeem>there's the Applications menu, what's next to it?
10:39<pooch>config. editor
10:40<azeem>are you running gnome?
10:40<azeem>so do you see the Applications menu?
10:40<azeem>what's next to it?
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10:41<azeem>so why did you just say "config. editor"?
10:41<azeem>pooch: what's next to Places?
10:41<pooch>thought u meant something else sorry
10:41<cahoot>progs->sys tools->synaptic?
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10:42<cahoot>(ad hoc interpreted from se)
10:42<azeem>anyway, Applications->System Tools->Synaptic should work as well
10:42<pooch>there is nothing called Synaptic
10:44<azeem>how did you install Debian?
10:44<pooch>from a disk
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10:45<azeem>pooch: how did you install gnomeß
10:45<pooch>it installed it with debian
10:45<azeem>pooch: then try looking in Desktop->System Administration or what's it called
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10:45<daniel__>sorry, but I installed debian with gnome and it didn't install synaptic by default
10:46<tip>themill: i have run "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945"
10:46<pooch>o the package manager
10:46<azeem>daniel__: it's part of the gnome-desktop task
10:46<azeem>pooch: d'oh
10:47<tip>themill: what we are doing now
10:47<pooch>i want to know how to install thing from the internet
10:48<daniel__>sorry, I not sure, actually I use xfce, but I think I had to install it with apt-get
10:48<themill>tip: did you build the ipw3945 module using module-assistant for your kernel in the end?
10:48<pooch>basically i just want to install aim
10:49<azeem>pooch: install gaim
10:49<tip>themill: no.. how can i do this??
10:49<pooch>install aim aol instant messenger
10:49<azeem>pooch: aim is not available for Debian
10:49<pooch>that sucks
10:49<azeem>we went through this already
10:49<pooch>but it says it is
10:49<azeem>there's tons of other aim-compatible clients in Debian
10:50<azeem>pooch: what is "it"ß
10:50<azeem>the version on is 5 years old
10:50<pooch>but it still would work wouldnt it
10:50<azeem>pooch: we don't support it, ask
10:51<pooch>what are the aim alternates then
10:51<azeem>15:47 < azeem> pooch: install gaim
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10:54<themill>tip: that aptitude install line would have resulted in an error then... can you pastebin the entire output of it and also tell me the output of "uname -r" again
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10:55<tip>themill: i ran module-assistant, but i dont know what can i do
10:55<tip>themill: ok 1sc
10:55<theimrot>on debian lenny with kde4 are depends-problems with libdjvulibre21 and libdjvulibre15, somebody knows them?
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10:56<themill>theimrot: check the bts
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10:57<pooch>ok now how do i setup gaim
10:57<azeem>pooch: read the documentation
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10:58<theimrot>thewill bts?
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10:58<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
10:58<ranix>pooch: documentation is not for eating
10:58<ranix>pooch: stop that
10:58<theimrot>themill: thank you
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10:58<tip>themill: well.. this console entire is turkish.. can you speak turkish :)
10:59<amphi>ranix: you've never found yourself gnawing a manual?
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11:00<ranix>amphi: the o'reilly CSS manual is good with chips, but generally no
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11:05<tip>themill: 2.6.24-1-686
11:05<shivraj>I just removed a non-free ati driver, how do I switch back to the free one in X ?
11:05<shivraj>startx and its giving errors
11:06<themill>tip: lines 84 and 85 are aptitude telling you that it can't find that package. Lines 97 and 98 are the driver telling you that the module wasn't installed.
11:07<pooch>it says gaim is now known as Pidgin?????
11:07<tip>themill: yes thats right
11:08<shivraj>I switched flgrx to ati in xorg.conf now it says no screens found
11:08<pooch>so pidgin works with aim???
11:08<tip>themill: because i cant find this modules at synaptic
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11:08<shivraj>pooch : yess
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11:08<shivraj>is there a way to reconfigure X ?
11:08<themill>tip: if you're using 2.6.24, it might be easier to use iwlwifi anyway as that's already in the kernel. Just aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi; modprobe iwl3945
11:09<amphi>IIRC, AOL believe they own the letters 'aim', so the name was changed
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11:09<pooch>u can own letters???
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11:10<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
11:10<tip>i tried that.. but i havent done that
11:10<amphi>you can even type them ;)
11:10<Aleric>Hey guys, I need some help understanding this: If you look at the last post, you see that this person runs out of memory (malloc(4096) returns NULL) after only allocating 15 MB. How is that possible? Any ideas?
11:11<pooch>ok how do i install Pidgin???
11:11<azeem>pooch: pidgin is the same as gaim
11:11<azeem>so install gaim
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11:12<pooch>gaim is installed
11:13<azeem>so use it
11:13<koollman>Aleric: a badly fragmented ram could cause that. or a system with something else using a lot of ram. or you are missing some allocations
11:13<pooch>i dont know how to sign in
11:13<shivraj>I reconfigured X with dpkg-reconfigure still doesnt work
11:13<azeem>pooch: 15:56 < azeem> pooch: read the documentation
11:13<shivraj>its says something about error locking file .Xauthority
11:13<tip>themill:is ipw3945-modules-2.6.24-1-686 not present 24 kernel now??
11:13<azeem>pooch: please try to research problems yourself before asking here
11:14<Aleric>koollman: Something else using a lot of ram ok... but fragmented hardly: it's running out of memory on an allocation of 4096 bytes!
11:14<shivraj>azeem: my computer started freezing again today .... in X
11:14<Aleric>I bet he has at least 1 GB of ram
11:14<shivraj>need to get rid of that driver
11:14<themill>tip: no. You can either build it using m-a (follow the instructions in the ipw3945-source package) or change to the iwlwifi driver
11:14<ranix>azeem, pooch: learning to use linux is more learning to read documentation than actual procedural learning. Pooch, your problem isn't "Y problem doesn't work", it's "I don't know how to read documentation". It's a skill that is not as obvious as it looks, and it comes with time
11:14<koollman>Aleric: any uses of mmap or similar functions ? (malloc is not the only way to allocate ram)
11:15<Aleric>koollman: Yes, mmap is used... but the whole idea was that that would NOT use ram :(
11:15<shivraj>X is saying no devices detected .. no screens found
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11:16<koollman>if you mmap enough data, then you can't allocate more ram because you have filled your memory space. (that is, there is no more valid pointers to point to the free blocks)
11:16<cahoot>shivraj: a leftover ~/.Xauthority owned by wrong user/root?
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11:17<Aleric>koollman: I see... is there a way to mmap that data in a way that it doesn't fill up all ram?
11:17<tip>themill: i dont understand this " You can either build it using m-a" what i can do??
11:17<ranix>tip: man module-assistant
11:17<ranix>!tell tip about module-assistant
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11:18<shivraj>cahoot : yep
11:18<shivraj>cahoot : can I delete it ?
11:18<koollman>you can use mmap as a 'window' to see large files/blocks, with mremap
11:18<cahoot>shivraj: yes
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11:18<tip>ranix: ok i understand!!
11:19<shivraj> still no devices detected ...
11:19<shivraj>no screens
11:19<theimrot>i have installed kde4 under debian lenny, but kde3.5.9 started
11:19<koollman>Aleric: does this program does a large mmap? (large on x86 would be ... about 2GB, probably)
11:19<Aleric>koollman: I'm using mmap thousands of times on the same file at the moment, each mapping about 100 MB of the file. It would be nice if all of that was mapped to the same address space somehow because I only need access at one map at a time
11:19<tip>ty ranix. themill
11:20<Aleric>err, that is not true...
11:20<Aleric>I just mmap the inode table
11:21<theimrot>how can i start kde4?
11:21<lloeki>problem: dpkg --get-selections just sits there, 100% cpu. It seems it des so since I ran 'dselect update'
11:21<lloeki>what would you recommend?
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11:22<tip>sorry guys.. my english is not good.. and my debian too
11:22<koollman>Aleric: I have no idea how large is an ext3 inode table :)
11:22<tip>thanks for your helps
11:22<Aleric>koollman: Each mmap is about 4 MB, and in this case only 2608 mmaps were done.
11:23<pooch>there has to be a way to install things other than the packages
11:23<pooch>what is it
11:24<Aleric>But you're right, that is probably the reason it runs out of address space. That is a freaking 10 GB
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11:24<koollman>Aleric: well, I don't know your program, but it would be a possible reason :)
11:24<Aleric>koollman: So, how to solve it? :)
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11:25<pooch>how do i install crap onto my computer
11:25<cahoot>pooch: stick to debians packages unless you either want to ruin the system or later on have learned more about linux and debian
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11:25<pooch>debian packages are obsolite
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11:26<koollman>Aleric: depends of what the program needs to do. are these 2608 mmaps needed at the same time ?
11:26<shivraj>help help my xorg isnt working
11:26<shivraj>no screens found
11:27<pooch>im not trying to be mean or anything i just want to be able to talk to people on aim
11:27<koollman>Aleric: it's an mmap of a partition, right ?
11:27<Aleric>Yeah, more or less - it's for random access. I don't know if they are really being used at the same time though - so I was having the kernel figure out what to keep in memory and what not.
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11:28<koollman>Aleric: well ... it would work well ... on a 64bits architecture. on 32bit, I would have started with open/seek, or maybe mmap and mremap
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11:28<Aleric>What does mremap do then?
11:29<koollman>it's a kind of 'seek' for mmaped pointers
11:29<koollman>it can also resize the mmaped block, but that's not really interesting in your case
11:29<Aleric>It looks more like a resize
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11:30<Aleric>void *mremap(void *old_address, size_t old_size, size_t new_size, int flags);
11:30<koollman>mm ... or is my memory failing me ? (he ... I also have limited memory space :) )
11:30<Aleric>It can only resize
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11:34<koollman>well then ... try to use fopen and fseeko (it can use 64bits offset)
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11:34<koollman>it's much less practical, though. that's strange, I think there is a way to 'seek' a mmaped memory region, but I can't remember how
11:35<Aleric>I don't see how it would help though
11:36<koollman>it could bit slightly more effective than fseeko
11:36<davi>Where can I get a Debian 'sarge' .iso ?
11:36<Aleric>If there is only a limited address space, then I'd need a way to mmap things to the same place, and pass an extended 'pointer' (which mmap) besides the pointer into the mmap.
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11:36<koollman>ok, now is coffee time, my type are stupid :)
11:36<koollman>s/type/typo/ :/
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11:40<shivraj>how do I fix my XORG ?
11:40<hathe>shivraj: depends on your problem
11:41<shivraj>its not finding my video card which is ati and its in 0:2:0 .. I configured it in dpkg-reconfigure
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11:41<hathe>shivraj: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
11:41<amphi>shivraj: if you only one card, there's no need to specify the pci id
11:42<shivraj>amphi : I think my mobo has one too
11:42<shivraj>I see two video cards in lspci
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11:42<amphi>shivraj: ah
11:43<shivraj>Ithought it was disabled in bios
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11:43<ranix>I have a quickie question for you guys. I need to wait for a specified number of milliseconds in my C program before continuing to the next loop iteration. the sleep() posix function seems to wait in seconds and takes an integer (so no milliseconds allowed). What do I use to sleep in ms? sorry for the off-topic
11:43<hathe>xorg > 7.3 should find everything with hotplug...
11:44<amphi>ranix: usleep ?
11:44<ranix>no manual entry for usleep?
11:44<ranix>nanoseconds would work
11:45<avu>ranix: apt-get install manpages-dev
11:45<ranix>thanks avu
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11:45<avu>(then you will have an usleep manpage)
11:45<ranix>appreciate it
11:45<hathe>ranix: sleep from coreutils can handle float as value as well
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11:46<avu>hathe: and you are sure you would use that in a C program? 8)
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11:47<nomad_0808>somoene has some good page for learning c
11:47<nomad_0808>in a good way
11:47<nomad_0808>a pretty one
11:47<azeem>nomad_0808: read the K&R book
11:47<ranix>nomad_0808: I didn't learn C so much as I learned to read documentation
11:47<nomad_0808>i had it
11:47<azeem>nomad_0808: this channel is not for programming advice, sorry
11:47<ranix>it's not what you know, it's what you know how to find
11:47<shivraj>mv xorg.original xorg.conf fixed the problem .. thanks guys
11:47<nomad_0808>is for debian
11:48<nomad_0808>Azeem: is one for linux
11:48<nomad_0808>Azeem: is one for c ?
11:48<azeem>nomad_0808: 16:46 < azeem> nomad_0808: this channel is not for programming advice, sorry
11:48<ranix>sorry to bring the off topic in here
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12:08<zedboy>Are all ATAPI cd/dvd burners identical from a hardware perspective (i.e. use the same kernel driver)?
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12:10<orpheukurumin>tem mais alguem ai
12:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:11<hypnotic>hi there, after kernel update from last night (for lenny), basket is not starting anymore and is giving this error: basket: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: _ZTv0_n28_N4Arts14StdSynthModule11autoSuspendEv, anybody an easy solution or should I send in a bug report (basket from sid doesnt meet the dependencies so cant use that)
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12:13<chealer>which arts version do you use?
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12:14<hypnotic>chealer: 1.5.9-1
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12:14<chealer>hypnotic: why?
12:15<chealer>hypnotic: oh. nevermind
12:15<hypnotic>chealer: because debian installed it by default
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12:15<hypnotic>chealer: maybe some useful info: I use oss4 inste
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12:16<hypnotic>ad of alsa and after the kernel update the system automatically made new kernel modules for oss4
12:16<hypnotic>I did not reinstall oss4
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12:19<hypnotic>for nvidia i had to reinstall the drivers, and now i mention this i was wondering if there is some kind of application which can update these kernel modules automatically (pclinuxos has some application for this but dont know what)
12:19<chealer>hypnotic: what is oss4?
12:20<hypnotic>open sound system 4 (oss went open source again)
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12:20<chealer>hypnotic: does your problem persist after restarting KDE?
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12:20<hypnotic>had a lot of trouble with alsa with all distros i tried with my maudio card, oss4 solved this
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12:22<chealer>hypnotic: ask #debian-kde
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12:23<hypnotic>aha ok ill try
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12:23<hypnotic>and you know something about my second question? some app that can make new kernels modules automatically when you install new kernel?
12:24<chealer>hypnotic: module-assistant doesn't handle kernel updates, no
12:25<hathe>hypnotic: can be done with an easy self written script
12:25<hypnotic>did pclinuxos make this feature by themself?
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12:25<hypnotic>aha ok ill look for some tutorials
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12:38<chealer>hypnotic: I guess you'd better ask them
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13:05<TomFar>i can't fith
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13:09<rav>hello. I just updated to the latest kernel for Lenny, and now ndiswrapper is not working. I also have a new kernel module called b43 and ssb. Is there a way to fix this?
13:11<hathe>rav: b43 should be the native module for your card
13:11<hathe>and b43 depends on sbb
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13:11<hathe>rav: just blacklist b43
13:11<the-me>better just use b43 (if it works)
13:12<the-me>for my broadcom wireless the b43 module works only with 2.6.25 release candidates.. :)
13:12<rav>the only thing that works for my broadcom is ndiswrapper. No official kernel module has ever worked for me
13:13<rav>hathe: how do I blacklist the module?
13:14<hathe>rav: write 'blacklist b43' in eg /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (without the quotes)
13:14<rav>hathe: thanks
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13:28<edward_>this is the right place to ask for assistance installing the debian bugzilla on etch?
13:29<jaakko>edward_: somehow that sounds debian related. What is on your mind?
13:30<jaakko>edward_: "aptitude install bugzilla"
13:31<chealer>edward_: yes
13:31<edward_>ive been trying to install bugzilla using sudo aptitude install bugzilla.... it begins to install, but then it fails trying to setup the database... (it creates the bugzilla database, but doesnt create anything inside it) and if i run ./ i get a segmentation fault
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13:32<moveax1>o/ lutz[iFa] neoxan Q
13:32<moveax1>o/ lutz[iFa] neoxan Q
13:32<moveax1>o/ lutz[iFa] neoxan Q
13:32<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>moveax1: ?
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13:33<moveax1>there was a wrong command in my menu
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13:34<rav>I blacklisted b43, now only ndiswrapper is loaded. But I don't have the interface that used to be eth0 on the previous kernel. How can I create it?
13:36<hathe>eth0 was lan or wlan device?
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13:37<rav>hathe: it was a wlan device. During boot on the previous kernels, there was a line saying: "ndiswrapper has changed interface 'wlan0' to 'eth0' ", and the wifi light would turn on on the laptop
13:38<hathe>rav: its propably now named wlan0
13:38<edward_>jaakko: any ideas?
13:39<rav>hathe: ifconfig only lists eth1 that's the cable connection that i'm using right now
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13:40<cahoot>ifconfig -a too?
13:41<jaakko>edward_: no :-|
13:41<rav>cahoot: yes. It shows eth1 and lo
13:42<edward_>jaakko: hehe thanks though, would that question be better suited for the bugzilla irc?
13:42<cahoot>did you modprobe -r b43 et al?
13:43<rav>cahoot: i rmmod b43 and ssb and blacklisted both
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13:44<cahoot>and loaded ndiswrapper however thats' done?
13:44<rav>cahoot: yes
13:45<cahoot>dmesg gives no clue?
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13:46<rav>cahoot: no. the interface is not there
13:46<jaakko>edward_: it actually sounds debian problem, but they might know though
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13:47<edward_>jaakko: thanks, ill give it a try there, if not, back here i go
13:47<cahoot>rav: I never used ndis but hoped dmesg mentioned it when loaded, and possibly ane errors in the process
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13:48<hathe>rav: did you modprobe ndiswrapper?
13:49<maks>nuke ndiscrap
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13:50<rav>cahoot: i just rmmod ndiswrapper, and modprobe to load it again. dmesg shows this :
13:50<hathe>ndiswrapper is genius work...
13:50<jaakko>rav: what you get "ndiswrapper -l" ?
13:50<rav>jaakko: it shows my card and says alternative driver: ssb
13:51<jaakko>rav: I see, so ndiswrapper is not in use
13:51<cahoot>obviously fails when loaded
13:51<hathe>rav: ask #ndiswrapper on
13:51<rav>jaakko: but I blacklisted ssb, i don't know why it loaded on boot
13:52<jaakko>rav: I think you are going to need module-assistant
13:52<hathe>rav: ssb is loaded by b43
13:52<rav>hathe: b43 is also blacklisted, and didn't get loaded with my last re-boot
13:52<hathe>rav: try modprobe -r ndiswrapper instead of rmmod
13:53<rav>hathe: and then modprobe it again?
13:53<hathe>rav: yes
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13:55<jaakko>rav: try "aptitude install module-assistant" and "module-assistant a-i ndiswrapper"
13:55<rav>hathe: got the same result that's on pastebin
13:55<jaakko>rav: that worked for me, found it here:
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13:55<hathe>rav: then ask the #ndiswrapper guys
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13:55<hathe>rav: windows driver worked before?
13:55<hathe>rav: whats the output of ndiswrapper -l?
13:56<rav>jaakko: i installed ndiswrapper with module-assistant
13:56<rav>hathe: i've used it for over 2 years.
13:57<hathe>rav: then ask the #ndiswrapper guys
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13:58<rav>hathe: $ sudo ndiswrapper -l
13:58<rav>bcmwl5a : driver installed
13:58<rav> device (14E4:4318) present (alternate driver: ssb)
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14:00<C-xC-s>i am trying to install debian 4.0r0 etch on a macbook. but somehow the install routine has stopped unexpected.
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14:01<C-xC-s>i have: Starting system log daemon: syslogd, klogd.
14:01<C-xC-s>i am waiting for 5 minutes, but noting seems to happen.
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14:03<C-xC-s>uhhh. now my monitor went blank. is this supposed to be normal? i never had issues installing debian before.
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14:05<cahoot>C-xC-s: I believe you can access a console if you hit alt-f2 and run dmesg there - might show errormsgs
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14:11<C-xC-s>cahoot: nope. seems dead.
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14:12<C-xC-s>cahoot: i will try to restart and try the whole procedure again
14:13<jaakko>C-xC-s: try a minimal install
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14:14<cahoot>not passing sysklogd seems minmalistic enough ;)
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14:15<jaakko>cahoot: yup, but it takes less time to install ;)
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14:16<jaakko>C-xC-s: have you checked you install cd? (md5)
14:19<C-xC-s>jaakko: i installed with this dvd once. i will chech the md5 again.
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14:24<C-xC-s>jaakko: is there a way to check the md5 from the boot menu? i dont know how to get the dvd out.
14:24<jaakko>C-xC-s: there used to be.. try F1 for help
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14:25<jaakko>C-xC-s: well, the installer has it in the main menu?
14:26<C-xC-s>dont see anything
14:26<C-xC-s>no such option
14:27<C-xC-s>perhaps rescue mode?
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14:29<jaakko>C-xC-s: it is a console.. you should do it then manually. I thought it would be there, but I haven't used installer since sarge.
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14:30<C-xC-s>perhaps i should dl the current dvd release, because i cannote even boot into rescue mode
14:33<davi>Where can I get a Debian 'sarge' .iso ?
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14:39<chealer>davi: did you look at the Debian website?
14:39<ranix>apparently not
14:39<davi>yes, but I do not find ISO images for sarge
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14:40<ranix>davi: look for installs for older releases
14:40<ranix>davi: or "oldstable"
14:40<davi>ranix, Let me look
14:40<davi>Does the network-install ISOs allow to choose from what repository to install?
14:40<ranix>I recently used sarge install floppies
14:40<ranix>not really, davi
14:41<craigevil>davi: just curios why would you want sarge
14:41<ranix>you could downgrade
14:41<ranix>upgrading is easier
14:41<ranix>just install base system and apt-get dist-upgrade
14:41<ranix>sarge has a low memory installer but other than that it's not good for too much
14:41<ranix>8k req, iirc
14:41<ranix>etch is 16k
14:42<ranix>or 8m instead of 16m
14:42<ranix>one of the two
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14:42<ranix>16k is enough for anybody matth
14:42<davi>craigevil, I have a software that only works on Sarge
14:43<matth>no, it is 640k
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14:52<arw>did someone try to get option for SIP servers working on dhcpd
14:53<lucas_amorim>hello, for pentium 4 HT (64bits) and Intel dual core, what installation cd should i use? ia64 or i386??
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14:56<Arruor>ia64 is fo Itanium
14:56<Arruor>for I mean
14:56<grimhen>lucas_anorim i386
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14:57<grimhen>64bit debian dont work with dual core, only with core 2 duo and athlon 64 x2
14:58<Arruor>it's not true
14:58<lucas_amorim>if get i386 my processor will run in 32bits mode, right?
14:58<Arruor>amd64 work fine with DualCore processors
14:59<Arruor>lucas_amorim: yes
14:59<lucas_amorim>I read in the site that amd64 is in development
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14:59<lucas_amorim>is it buggy?
14:59<lucas_amorim>or something??
14:59<grimhen>Arruor: hmm , i have dual core and its not working :/
14:59<Engywuck>*iff* your processor can do AMD64 or the intel equivalent then AMD64 is correct
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15:00<Engywuck>!dpkg amd64
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15:01<chealer>Arruor: not all of them
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15:02<Engywuck>!dpkg em64t
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15:02<lucas_amorim>thank you all then.. what is the fastest way to download the iso?
15:02<dpkg>i guess intel 64 is Intel's clone of AMD64 - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Get either Debian i386 or amd64 (/msg dpkg amd64).
15:02<Engywuck>!tell lucas_amorim about amd64
15:03<Aleric>How can I make a bash script continue despite errors?
15:03<Arruor>I have Intel Dualcore 2160 and I have amd64 working on my pc
15:03<chealer>lucas_amorim: there are several iso-s. I guess getting a business card via HTTP should be pretty fast assuming broadband.
15:03<Engywuck>what kind of errors?
15:03<Aleric>An executable that I call from the script core dumps
15:04<lucas_amorim>yeah... ok, thank you people
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15:04<grimhen>Arruor: i have intel dual core t2400 and its not working, it seems this distro needs some special 64bit instructions
15:04<Arruor>what kind of special instructions?
15:05<Engywuck>core dumps.... ouch
15:06<Aleric>That is to trap the errors :/
15:06<Aleric>I just want it to continue
15:07<grimhen>Arruor: i dont remember right now, but when i want to install amd64 version , its refused me because my cpu dont have it :/ it seems that some of intel dual core dont have full 64bit extensions :/
15:07<Aleric>hmm, nm
15:08<Arruor>grimhen: may be, I'm not sure also
15:09<Arruor>but on my DualCore processor I've tested some kind of amd64 version of many kind of Linuxes - and I don't have problems
15:10<grimhen>Arruor: your cpu is newer than my so maybe it has these extensions
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15:11<Arruor>grimhen: I think that mine is older
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15:18<grimhen>Arruor: maybe, i must check why its refused to install on my cpu, but i think it was because i dont have full EM64t instructions
15:19<Arruor>grimhen: it's possibly
15:19<grimhen>sorry not instructions, but technology
15:19<myosound>hello,can anyone tell me if I can use virtual interfaces (e.g. eth0:1) with iptables? I've been rtfm' it and can't find an answer
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15:19<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>grimhen: After a certain point in time, Intel switched over to amd64
15:20<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>There's ia64
15:20<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>then there's em64 then amd64
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15:21<Arruor>myosound: ifconfig eth0:1 <ip addr> netmaks <net mask> ....
15:22<maks>haha never got yet highlighted as netmaks, thanks Arruor :)
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15:22<Arruor>or something like this in /etc/networks/interfaces
15:23<grimhen>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: and this is an answer why the t2400 dont work beacase they have no amd64 technology
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15:24<zin-sk>any knows shift the mac of the modem adsl ??????
15:24<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I got the T5600
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15:25<myosound>Arruor: cool thanks. I have them defined in .../interfaces like that, but when I try something like iptables .... -i eth0:1 ..... I get weird errors about "strange characters"
15:26<myosound>and the only googles I could pull up with that were not very helpfull =\
15:26<Arruor>myosound: u can use -s <IP of spoofed interface>
15:26<Arruor>but not eth0:1 as a device
15:26<Arruor>because it is fake
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15:27<zin-sk>Arruor, any knows shift the mac of the modem adsl ??????
15:28<Arruor>zin-sk: why you want to change the modem's mac addr?
15:28<e-yes>hi all. Is there any chance to make cpufreq worling on celeron (coopermine, p-III, famaly 6 model 8) cpu?
15:29<myosound>Arruor: thanks alot. thats the type of answer I was looking for =)
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15:29<zin-sk>Arruor, a job esta being withheld because of of the mac of the modem.
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15:30<myosound>Arruor: so I define the in .../interfaces, and use -s <ip>, and I should have happiness right?
15:30<zin-sk>Arruor, got shift the mac from card of net. with ifconfig. but necessary shift the mac of the modem
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15:30<Arruor>myosound: think positive - you cannot use something that you haven't, yes it should work with -s
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15:30<Arruor>zin-sk: some kind of firmware upgrade on modem
15:31<Arruor>ask your ISP for this, dude
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15:33<zin-sk>Arruor, is possivel spoof ?
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15:33<myosound>Arruor: very cool thanks again. I shall try it with -s tonight and see if I can work it out
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15:36<shevek>I'm using ethtool to set my network card to allow remote wake-up, which is really nice. Now I have suspend working with uswsusp (s2disk), which is also really nice. However, I need to run ethtool before suspending to make sure it can wake up on lan. But s2disk doesn't seem to allow hooks of things to do before suspend. I suppose I'm not the first to notice this. :-) However, I didn't find a solution for it. What is the best way to solve
15:36<shevek> this?
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15:42<hikenboot>Failed to fetch 404 Not Found this is on vmknoppix but I figured its a debian error in apt-get update can anyone point me to a solution
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15:43<jaakko>shevek: eh, why don't you "ethtool && suspend" (or what the names are..)? Does it forget those "eththool" settings if you do it every boot? I don't know anything about this ;)
15:44<grimhen>hikenboot: there is no "hand" directory
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15:45<grimhen>hikenboot: dir tree was changed maybe you have old link
15:46<shevek>jaakko: That is probably an option, but I suspend with the default settings of some gnome power management thing, so I don't know where to edit it. :-) It does indeed reset the card every boot, so it needs to be set each time again. I do it at boot (when the interface is configured), which works fine, but the system doesn't really "boot" in that sense after a suspend.
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15:56<lucas_amorim>I have just bought a gigabyte mobo GA-945GCMX-S2, its integrated video is "Integrated Intel® Graphic Media Accelerator 950" is it well supported on debian? Will have 3D accelaration working?
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16:00<grimhen>lucas_amorim: this video card has good-working open source driver and its well supported, but its lack of 3d performance, surely not for 3d gaming
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16:00<lucas_amorim>nor google earth???
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16:01<lucas_amorim>isn't there any third party drivers that will work with 3D acceleration?
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16:02<craigevil>inetl should works just fine with 3d
16:03<grimhen>lucas_amorim: 3d works but the card is weak on that point
16:03<ranix>it's low end
16:03<grimhen>google earth should works fine
16:03<lucas_amorim>oh, i see
16:03<lucas_amorim>as long as it work i am happy
16:03<lucas_amorim>I had an integrated via that did not work
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16:04<lucas_amorim>I had to install drivers from the openchrome project but that was so buggy at 3D that i had to buy an off board nvidia card...
16:04<lucas_amorim>i only want to be able to run copis fusion, google earth and such
16:05<lucas_amorim>Are the drivers in the repos or will I have to google for them?
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16:14<uid1000>Hello! Where to get nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-5-k7? (removed from official repos)
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16:15<grimhen>trying backports ?
16:17<jean_>anyone using debian as a host on vmware. can you print from vmware workstation?
16:17<jean_>sorry meant client not host
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16:19<chealer>uid1000: if you don't mind, why do you use 2.6.18-5-k7?
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16:20<uid1000>I have 56k/s modem, so I can't upgrade before the new version appears in Linuxcenter
16:22<chealer>uid1000: you can always use
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16:30<pinto3>hello, i noticed you guys didn't have an awk manual in the repositories except under non-free - i found and learnt from this published in 1996, it's pretty good and gnu liscenced
16:31<dpkg>nmg is, like, Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project., or ask me about <mentors> and <mg>
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16:34<dpkg>Test Failed.
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16:38<dpkg>somebody said false was the opposite of true, unless otherwise, or false, or true
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16:40<dpkg>i guess ricer is at gentoo
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16:41<_GNU_C_>what package contains stdarg.h ? I can't find it.
16:41<padski>apt-file find stdarg.h
16:41<_GNU_C_>I already apted build-essential
16:41<padski>!find stdarg.h
16:41<_GNU_C_>thanks I'll try
16:41<t>is anyone else having trouble with the new cuda drivers?
16:42<dpkg>Debian Search of 'stdarg.h' (6 of 31): (/usr/lib/tcc/include/stdarg.h) in devel/tcc ;; (/usr/share/cmix/shadow/stdarg.h) in devel/cmix ;; (/usr/include/efi/efistdarg.h) in devel/gnu-efi ;; (/usr/include/pccts/pccts_stdarg.h) in devel/pccts ;; (/usr/lib/bcc/include/stdarg.h) in devel/elks-libc ;; (/usr/include/diet/stdarg.h) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev.
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16:43<_ZeuZ_>how do I remove an installed kernel compleately?
16:43<padski>_ZeuZ_, perhaps apt-get remove --purge foo
16:44<valdyn>padski: why are you looking for stdarg.h?
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16:45<padski>valdyn, _GNU_C_ asked
16:45<_GNU_C_>valdyn, are you talking to me? Well, I want to compile my own program (find / | grep stdarg shows nothing)
16:46<valdyn>_GNU_C_: i just wonder why you arent including stdio.h
16:46<t>he is a a c GNUB, poor guy
16:46<_GNU_C_>valdyn, I'm also, but it doesn't support variadic functions
16:46<_ZeuZ_>Thing is, I manually compiled and installed those kernels, will it work anyways?
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16:47<valdyn>_GNU_C_: i think it does, it should include stdarg.h
16:47<padski>_ZeuZ_, you mean they are not in the package management ?
16:48<_ZeuZ_>Well, I installed them doing dpkg -i after I created the debs for them...
16:48<_GNU_C_>valdyn, hmm strange but there isn't one on my system, only /usr/include/c++/4.1.2/cstdarg
16:48<padski>_ZeuZ_, in that case they are in the package management
16:48<_ZeuZ_>Thingy goes like, now I've got ton's of kernels, and I would like to remove all including the only one that works fine, and find the compleate source for
16:49<valdyn>_GNU_C_: its in any gcc you chose to use
16:49<padski>_ZeuZ_, it is possible. it might be wiser to proceed more cautiously, but I suppose it depends.
16:49<valdyn>_GNU_C_: for instance gcc-4.2: usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.2/include/stdarg.h
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16:51<_ZeuZ_>Suppose I want to install Slackware appart from debian (keep slackware, and Debian in the same PC... how shall I proceed?
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16:51<_GNU_C_>valdyn, thanks, find / didn't show it though, strange
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16:52<t>did someone overflow his buffers?
16:52<padski>_ZeuZ_, in seperate filesystems ?
16:53<_ZeuZ_>padski: Well, yes, it's the only way right?, same disk, different partitions...
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16:54<padski>_ZeuZ_, virtualisation ...
16:55<_ZeuZ_>No, I don't want to do that
16:55<_ZeuZ_>I want to boot to Debian, or to Slackware
16:55<_ZeuZ_>not one inside the other
16:55<t>why is the distinction important to you?
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16:57<_ZeuZ_>Because it is.
16:57<_ZeuZ_>You're not helping in any way.
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16:57<t>and you arent helping your own cause either
16:57<_ZeuZ_>I don't need to virtualize
16:57<_ZeuZ_>If so, I would have installed VirtualBOX or whatever
16:57<t>you dont need to or you dont understand what it means?
16:57<_ZeuZ_>I want to have it in another partition
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16:58<_ZeuZ_>I know how to do it, and it's not what I'm after.
16:58<t>if your so smart they why are you in here asking how to install on different partitions?
16:58<valdyn>_ZeuZ_: install both, adjust the boot loader of the 2nd OS that you install
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16:58<valdyn>_ZeuZ_: "adjusting" boot loader is done by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst on debian
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16:59<valdyn>_ZeuZ_: actually debian might even automagically find slackware and adjust the bootloader by itself
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16:59<_ZeuZ_>valdyn: So I create a new partition from Slackware installation, and install it, then run grub-update on Debian?
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17:02<padski>swsusp ate my bootstrap thismorning :-(
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17:13<kop>I don't suppose there's a way to check which of my zillon iceweasel windows/tabs is irregularly (about half the time) sucking cpu?
17:16<kop>I get about 6 seconds of cpu usage followed by about 6 seconds of idle.
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17:20<kop>If I disable javascript it goes away.
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17:31<jedi1>does anyone know if I can select which packages I want to install with a program via apt-get ?
17:31<jedi1>I want to install eclipse, but it forces me to install gcj with it..
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17:33<avtobiff>wtf. ndiswrapper stopped working with 2.6.24. why could that be?
17:34<chealer>jedi1: which Debian suite do you use?
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17:35<avtobiff>i get error messages from dmesg saying "ioctl32(loadndisdriver-:5838) cmd fd(0) somemorestuff on /dev/ndiswrapper (deleted)
17:35<chealer>jedi1: how are you trying to install eclipse?
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17:35<jedi1>chealer: apt-get install eclipse
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17:38<chealer>jedi1: did you try something like # apt-get install eclipse gcj-4.3-; ?
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17:39<pan_>i need some help with the kernels
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17:40<jedi1>chealer gcj still to be installed if I try that
17:41<chealer>jedi1: please show apt-get's solution
17:41<pan_>chealer, jedi1 hello.
17:41<chealer>pan_: what?
17:42<pan_>chealer, i am interested in a kernel patch and i'd like to know if it is included in debian kernels. is there a changelog where i could search?
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17:43<chealer>pan_: ask the channel
17:43<tmg1|cl131>If there's a bug in a debian package, and the ubuntu bts already has an entry for it, we should probably still submit to the debian one right?
17:43<jedi1>pan_ hello
17:43<pan_>hello jedi1
17:43<chealer>tmg1|cl131: is it reported upstream?
17:44<pan_>i don't know. where should i search for that?
17:44<jedi1>pan_, try this
17:45<chealer>jedi1: I can't see gcj there. are you talking about the gcj binary package or you mean you don't want any GCJ package?
17:46<tmg1|cl131>chealer: doesn't look like it
17:46<jedi1>chealer, I don't want any gcj binary packages
17:46<tmg1|cl131>unless you mean reported to the developers of the program itself, then I'm not sure
17:47<chealer>tmg1|cl131: that's what I mean
17:47<tmg1|cl131>is there some way of finding that out?
17:48<chealer>tmg1|cl131: what's the program?
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17:49<Supaplex>pan_: check for the kernel package in question
17:49<tmg1|cl131>eh it's starting to sound like it's mostly something I should do
17:49<Supaplex>it might be in qa, but I think I found it at pdo last time
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17:52<pan_>i've still not figured out if the patch is included
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17:52<chealer>jedi1: do you have Sun Java installed?
17:52<jedi1>chealer: yes
17:52<debian_irc>hello to the whole channel
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17:53<jedi1>hello magus
17:53<magus>i have an old router and im trying to set up a webserver behind it
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17:54<magus>the problem is that the portforwarding on the router doesnät work
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17:55<magus>it works in Windows... so i think it might have something to do with NAT
17:55<magus>or something similar.. any pointers?
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17:58<chealer>jedi1: I can't find a clean solution quickly, but # apt-get -o 'APT::Install-Recommends=false' install eclipse; should work
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17:59<chealer>magus: what do you mean by "it works in Windows"...when which machine is running Windows?
17:59<pan_>Supaplex i've found the package. but it doesn't indicate what patches it does include
18:00<jedi1>chealer: that solves the problem thanks
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18:01<ia64>magus, when a router can port forward for your windows machine, it will work for your deb machine.. if the IP and port was remains the same
18:01<Supaplex>pan_: patches themself are in apt-get source <foo>. under debian/patches iirc
18:01<magus>chealer: the router is an old A-Link and when my desktop runs windows portforwarding works
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18:03<ia64>magus, so, check if the port forward setting on your router is correct.. i mean the IP and port no.. if everything ok, then the problem should be your machine setting itself, not the router
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18:04<chealer>magus: sorry but what does your desktop have to do with this?
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18:05<magus>ia64: thanks for the advice, but I've checked and re-checked them for a while now
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18:06<ia64>magus, then 1st question.. can you accest your webserver from lan?
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18:06<magus>chealer: i have dualboot desktop, linux server and old a-link router
18:06<ia64>i mean from another machine on same lan with your server
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18:07<magus>ia64: yes
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18:07<magus>it just that when I try to access it by ip router won't let me through
18:08<magus>by my isp ip
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18:09<ia64>magus, ohh... 2nd question. is http pages or https pages?
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18:09<pan_>Supaplex at "" the patch i want is "", at i've found linux-patch-debian-2.6.22". does it mean it contains the patch?
18:09<magus>http or any kind of traffic
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18:10<ia64>so you just mean the normal traffic on port 80?
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18:10<magus>i have my http server on port 8000 and ssh on 22, and both ports are forwarded in my router
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18:11<magus>and the strangest thing is that my server can access the internet
18:11<ia64>oh wow.. on port 8000.. whatabout ssh traffic??
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18:13<magus>no, that doesn't come through either
18:14<Supaplex>pan_: .22 is newer, so it should yes
18:14<pan_>yes supaplex
18:14<pan_>thanks you
18:14<ia64>then i think you really check whether your linux machine can accept traffic from WAN
18:15<ia64>i dont know. cause what i know this problem has nothing to do with NAT for port forwarding thingy...
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18:15<magus>it can... it's downloading a torrent as we speak :)
18:16<ia64>incoming request on your torrent client?
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18:18<ia64>i mean your torrent should set for incoming request also, that's how bittorrent works..
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18:18<ia64>and did that port work
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18:19<magus>yes i have portforwarded a torrent port too, but I think it works now with that upnp thingy, downloading works just fine
18:20<ia64>oh.. i can i have your a link router model no?
18:21<magus>it's A-link WL54AP2
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18:24<ia64>i checked that model.. it should work fine if you are using the port forwarding function on it.
18:25<ia64>i found this guide..
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18:26<ia64>and since port forward have nothing to do with platform and those NAT thingy, then i don't think it's your router problem that persist here
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18:28<magus>thanks ia64... so the problem is that my server blocks connection from outside my lan
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18:29<ia64>most probably.. check to that point, i think it should work fine.. :)
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18:33<chealer>magus: wait, your server is listening for HTTP on 8000 or 80?
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18:38<rav>hello. Is there a way to know if a kernel module is pre-compiled into the kernel you get from the repositories?
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18:40<fobr>hi. how can I check if something is attached to /dev/ttyS0?
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18:44<jedi1>any rumours about when kde4 will move to unstable?
18:44<pan_>can i compile just one module?
18:45<rav>pan_: module-assistant helps you install kernel modules
18:46<chealer>rav: yes. unless you specifically installed it, it's in the stock kernel.
18:46<pan_>raw. thanx for your answer. i need to patch the kernel and compile just one kernel.
18:47<pan_>just one module (sorry)
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18:47<rav>chealer: i'm having problems with the 2.6.24 kernel in lenny.
18:48<rav>pan_: try installing module-assistant with apt
18:48<rav>chealer: the ssb module conflicts with ndiswrapper
18:48<chealer>jedi1: ask #debian-kde
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18:49<bogdomania>cheers all..i have a problem with my new pc.. just boughted.. i have an nVidia Gforce 8300 GS and in deb. 4.0 etch...well it seems that it doesnt have a driver installed for it..what can i do? it refuse to startx
18:49<jedi1>ok chealer ;)
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18:49<jedi1>bogdomania, download drivers from nvidia site
18:50<bogdomania>i did..
18:50<bogdomania>so..if i run the shell script
18:50<chealer>bogdomania: which driver do you use?
18:50<bogdomania>it will work?
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18:50<bogdomania>chealer: none
18:50<jedi1>try it, you should use nvidia drivers
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18:50<bogdomania>it starts in verbose mode
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18:51<jedi1>from what I remember it configures X11 as well, tho not sure about it
18:51<jedi1>if not then try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:51<bogdomania>yes it does...
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18:52<chealer>bogdomania: you mean it's not specified? then which driver does X try using?
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18:52<bogdomania>chealer: i have no clue..after i start my os.. it starts in verbose mode..
18:52<bogdomania>some kind of error on xorg
18:53<bogdomania>if i type startx
18:53<bogdomania>another error
18:53<chealer>bogdomania: please provide X's log or configuration.
18:53<bogdomania>i cant`t remember exactly what it sais
18:53<bogdomania>sorry chealer i cant now..:)
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18:54<bogdomania>anyway..if i install the driver from nvidia there a chance to work?
18:54<chealer>bogdomania: no problem...come back whenever you're ready
18:55<bogdomania>ok thanks:)
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18:56<peech>bogdomania: when you run the nvidia binary driver from their website add "--x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules" and all will be fine
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19:37<adriano>hi to all
19:37<adriano>I have installed debian testing/lenny with kernel 2.6.24 from minimal cd
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19:38<adriano>with new kernel my pc go off if I set in the grub acpi=off I haven't this problem
19:38<adriano>I think there is a bug in new kernel 2.6.24
19:39<adriano>I have Fujitsu Siemens Laptop I'm writing from Italy
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19:40<jedi1>try a different kernel maybe?
19:40<adriano>2.6.22 work perfectly
19:40<adriano>but I want updated kernel, I think I can reconfigure acpi and recompile kernel
19:40<ranix>check the changelogs and spy around for changes to acpi from 2.6.22-2.6.24, make a bug report
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19:41<adriano>ok I will see
19:41<_ZeuZ_>guys I can't create a new partition with gparted... what could possibly be goiung wrong?
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19:41<amphi>adriano: what problem do you have with .24? I haven't tried it yet, I'm using a vanilla .24 here ATM
19:42<peech>_ZeuZ_: what error message does gparted give?
19:42<adriano>I'm using the .24 debian kernel
19:42<adriano>after 5 minutes my pc go off
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19:42<adriano>I have Amilo Fujitsu Siemens Laptop
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19:42<_ZeuZ_>peech: none, it just don't allow me... all the partitions on the only harddrive I've got are mounted...
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19:43<adriano>in the ChangeLog- I see: [<c02b1039>] acpi_processor_idle+0x24a/0x3c9
19:43<adriano> ACPI: update ACPI blacklist
19:43<adriano>stop for ACPI changelog :)
19:43<dpkg>well, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
19:44<amphi>adriano: perhaps you can find info relating to this on one of those sites
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19:44<adriano>ok thanks amphi I will see
19:44<peech>_ZeuZ_: gparted can only make changes to existing partitions if they are not in use. if you simply want to create a partition in empty space you can use fdisk
19:44<_ZeuZ_>No, I need to create a new partition, but first resize one...
19:45<_ZeuZ_>and using cfdisk tells me that a fatal error has occured because of an extended partition...
19:45<peech>_ZeuZ_: then make sure the partition which you want to resize is not in use
19:45<_ZeuZ_>I umounted it
19:45<_ZeuZ_>still it gives me the chance to format it, but not to resize it
19:46<peech>_ZeuZ_: are there enough free sectors in the partition to fit the smaller size?
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19:46<_ZeuZ_>Yes sir, more than the 65% of the partition is free..
19:47<adriano>I don't see nuthin about ACPI :(
19:47<_ZeuZ_>when I unmounted it with Gpart it shows a Warn icon on the right side
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19:48<peech>_ZeuZ_: i am not familiar with the interface of gparted only with the command line tool it uses. but somewhere it should give you an error message that describes your problem
19:48<_ZeuZ_>Ok, the info says: Imposible to read data from this partition, therefore some operations cannot be performed
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19:48<_ZeuZ_>Guess I'll take the Debian CD and create the partition myself xD
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19:49<_ZeuZ_>(without GUI)
19:49<peech>_ZeuZ_: or you can try a livecd
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19:50<_ZeuZ_>I'll have to burn one... though I haven't got any ISO round...
19:50<peech>_ZeuZ_: this livecd is one of my favourites:
19:50<_ZeuZ_>damn, now that I see, I've got Slackware 32 bits and my processor is Turion64x2
19:51<peech>_ZeuZ_: running 32bit software on 64bit hardware is fine
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19:51<_ZeuZ_>yes, but doesn't it conceive a performance loose? I know somethings will be easier too
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19:53<peech>_ZeuZ_: mainly integer intensive operations will become faster on 64bit software. things like image manipulation, movie rendering, compression
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19:54<peech>but if you run slackware we meet on the wrong channel :)
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19:55<_ZeuZ_>nop, I run Debian, but I want to have slackware installed also
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20:00<_ZeuZ_>Hi Coolbynary
20:00<_ZeuZ_>How's Croatia?
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20:02<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How would I get X-Chat GNOME to use timestamps in HH:MM TT (3:45 PM for example)?
20:03<_ZeuZ_>damn, the Debian Partitioning tool seems to have hanged up... Still I'm woried that If I reboot I'll mess up the whole disk partitions...
20:03<_ZeuZ_>Resising a 100gb partition (53gb occupied) to 85.3gb can take that long?
20:04<_ZeuZ_>just ended.. after 8mins of deadly waiting
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20:12<hikenboot>how do i deselect an upgrade that was unpacked but not installed with apt-get
20:13<hikenboot>due to errorsx
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20:17<_ZeuZ_>guys, what filesystem would you recommend for high performance that it's compatible with GRUB?
20:18<Coolbynary>hi from venezuela
20:18<Coolbynary>one liveCd and reinstall the Grub
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20:20<_ZeuZ_>ein ?
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20:21<C-xC-s>has anyone installed debian on a macbook?
20:22<C-xC-s>somehow the tutorial does not work for me.
20:22<flypiper>C-xC-s, if you want to see how it works on a macbook .. try a live debian cd.. it's sweet
20:23<C-xC-s>I get Starting system log daemon: syslogd, klogd.
20:23<GhostlyDeath>There any way to recover the root password on my QEMU Debian i386 Etch?
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20:24<C-xC-s>flypiper: no you misunderstood me. i am stuck with this macbook. my boss gave me one. i was like... damn... i dont want it. i want debian to run as my os.
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20:24<C-xC-s>flypiper: i want to install the real thing.
20:24<flypiper>C-xC-s, ahhh.. it can be done.. it just takes lots of work.. and it's a nice box when your finished.. I run debian on my intel macbook
20:25<C-xC-s>flypiper: I have an Intel Core2Duo macbook
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20:25<flypiper>C-xC-s, it's really nice for the cost
20:25<C-xC-s>but somehow i cannot start the install.
20:25<C-xC-s>i repartitioned my harddrive, now i have an 40 GB fat32 drive.
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20:26*GhostlyDeath reinstalls Debian
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20:26<C-xC-s>i installed refit and now i want to run the install procedure.
20:27<GhostlyDeath>figured out my pass
20:27<GhostlyDeath>Took like 50 tries
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20:28<C-xC-s>flypiper: which tutorial did u follow?
20:28<flypiper>C-xC-s, I don't remember.. I googled debian macbook and picked one
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20:42<rav>hello. I just performed my weekly package update and the system sounds don't work. I can hear music on amarok, but other sounds are gone.
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20:48<rav>my system sounds are ogg files, is there a bug or something about ogg files?
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20:49<Coolbynary>hola johanna
20:49<Johanna>Coolbynary, Hi.
20:49<Coolbynary>you are from venezuela
20:49<Johanna>No, I'm from Colombia.
20:50<Coolbynary>ok entonces en español
20:50<Coolbynary>yo soy de venezuela
20:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:50<hazard2>how do I know which device is a serial port in /dev?
20:50<Johanna>Coolbynary, As you can see, this channel is english-only
20:50<Coolbynary>yes not problem
20:50<amphi>first serial port is /dev/ttyS0, second /dev/ttyS1, etc.
20:50<Johanna>If you want to talk to me on spanish you can join #debian-es or #debian-ve in case you're from Venezuela.
20:51<Coolbynary>yess thank for you help
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20:51<hazard2>don't have any of those, must be disabled in bios
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20:52<themill>hazard2: do you actually have serial ports on your machine?
20:52<thepretender84>? news
20:52<hazard2>there's a cable plugged in as we speak...
20:53<themill>hazard2: ok... worth checking. they are pretty rare things these days and a lot of people looking for them don't actually have them but are following old howtos... ;)
20:53<hazard2>come on, I know enough to look in dev for the device file (for that matter I apparently have a reason to do so), give me enough credit to check to see that the hardware exsists :P
20:53<hazard2>howtos? bleh
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20:54<themill>hazard2: you have obviously never been on the other end of these conversations in here... you wouldn't believe just how dumb people are
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20:55<chealer>rav: what do you mean? amarok can't play vorbis?
20:55<hazard2>Oh, I know, I can beleive.
20:56<hazard2>And I've helped people only to realize later they don't physically have something they need as well.
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20:56<rav>chealer: no, amarok works fine. My system sounds and notifications don't. If I go into the control center and try to preview the ogg files for each event, nothing happens
20:57<hazard2>there we go, ttyS0->S4
20:57<themill>hazard2: bios or loading a kernel module?
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20:58<chealer>rav: so why would something be wrong with ogg files?
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20:59<hazard2>for that matter LPT was disabled too
20:59<rav>chealer: they can't be played, and I don't know what can be wrong
20:59<hazard2>(I dunno)
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21:00<chealer>rav: so amarok can't play vorbis, right?
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21:02<rav>chealer: I can play those files in amarok, but they don't work on the system
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21:03<chealer>rav: what do you mean by "the system"?
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21:04<themill>chealer: I'm guessing system sounds such as logon, logoff, minimise, maximise, bell etc.
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21:05<rav>chealer: themill is correct
21:05<themill>!win themill
21:05<dpkg>Congratulations, themill! You have won the US presidency!
21:06<chealer>rav: which codecs is "your system" still able to play?
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21:08<rav>chealer: i think the problem is in KDE, its players can't open the vorbis files, but amarok can
21:08<rav>chealer: thanks for the patience
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21:09<chealer>rav: that doesn't answer my question, but...which Debian suite do you use?
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21:10<rav>chealer: I got an error message saying that there's an undefined symbol in libartskde
21:12<chealer>rav: did you upgrade to arts 1.5.9?
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21:12<rav>chealer: yes, 1.5.9-1
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21:13<chealer>rav: sorry, did you restart KDE after that?
21:15<rav>chealer: yes, many times actually. But because of another issue. Could it be because i'm using the 2.6.22-3 kernel? I also updated the kernel to 2.6.24, but with that kernel my wlan doesn't work so I booted into the old one.
21:16<chealer>rav: unlikely
21:16<chealer>ask #debian-kde
21:16<rav>chealer: thanks
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21:20<Supaplex>ouch. Can't read an inode bitmap while reading inode bitmap
21:20<Supaplex>even debugfs won't touch it. :(
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21:58<hertz>is there a public place that would keep "useless" files like lighttpd_1.4.13-4etch5.diff.gz around for a while? the link from is stale
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22:02<alaya>hertz: you can find archived debs at
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22:06<|>Hmmz....must have gotten disconnected at some point. :|
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22:06<|>Btw, what is UnixWare? Someone told me it had something to do with Debian. :\
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22:10<hertz>alaya: works great for me, thanks
22:10<hertz>all, here's a cookie:
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23:00<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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23:13<RIVE>Well soo, good mourning PiPMeister.
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23:38<char__>a good introductory training module??
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23:59<dpkg>methinks grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see For an install guide, see, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors>
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