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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-03-29

---Logopened Sat Mar 29 00:00:05 2008
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00:05<khaize>Hi!, how do you deal with unmet dependecies?
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00:12<Supaplex>someone please refresh my memory how to use dpkg-deb in conjunction with make install targets to debify something not available in debian. I think dondelelcaro told me last, but I'm sure anyone might know. :)
00:13<Supaplex>I had this in my dead treeware notbook, but it's miles away from me. (I'll add it to my internal wiki RSN)
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00:14<torrr>is it possible to get the file name from a file descriptor?
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00:16<Supaplex>torrr: some languages have a method you can reference. /proc/pid/fd/N might have a symlink to it
00:17<Supaplex>no idea if they're accurately related
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00:39<Supaplex>!lart dainbread linkbreak/clipboard interaction
00:39*dpkg beats dainbread linkbreak/clipboard interaction senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
00:40<Hideo>dainbread == braindead?
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00:45<snogglethorpe>hmmm danebread
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00:46*Supaplex attempts a hand rolled backport of xen-pi (ver 3.1.4rc2)
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00:54<pooch>Hi I was here yesterday at about the same time and I was having a problem with my system freezing at start-up well it still freezes
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00:54<pooch>thought we had fixed the problem but i guess not
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00:55<pooch>anyone have any suggestions???
00:56<vook>pooch: you'd have to refresh our memory. What is happening?
00:57<pooch>i start up the system and click on something then it starts to load then the whole system freezes
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00:58<pooch>but it doesnt happen everytime I start up just sometimes
00:59<Supaplex>what have we tried?
00:59<pooch>i changed the hostname
01:00<Supaplex>did you try memtest86+?
01:00<pooch>they said yesterday that, the hostname cant have #'s in it so i changed it
01:00<pooch>how do i do that
01:01<Supaplex>!tell pooch -about search
01:01<Supaplex>look for the memtest86+ package (I think there is more than one), compare, and install one to test at boot time
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01:09<yoper>anybody here?
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01:10<Supaplex>!seen anybody
01:10<dpkg>anybody <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 243d 15h 51m 25s ago, saying: 'no'.
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01:16<pooch>how does memtest work???
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01:19<amphi>it writes bit patterns to memory, and attempts to read them back
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01:19<pooch>and how does that help me???
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01:24<pooch>how do I know what packages i need and the ones I dont need???
01:26<Supaplex>it's to test hardware
01:26<dpkg>from memory, memtest is . Also check out, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn>
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01:31<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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01:32<Guest2985>im going to stay on anyway
01:32<ranix>K, I was kind of being a jerk pre-emptively
01:32<ranix>(just in case)
01:33<Guest2985>can you run windows apps in debian?
01:33<Supaplex>I sure can
01:34<Guest2985>i only hade winetools:P
01:34<Supaplex>install debian ;)
01:35<Guest2985>can you put dos on it too?
01:36<dpkg>i heard dos is ;ask me about freedos.... C:DOS C:DOS RUN - RUN DOS RUN. Descent Operating System. DOOM Operating System. Disk Operating System, 'cause it supports those new-fangled disk thingies best operating system from microsoft !
01:36<Supaplex>!tell Guest2985 -about search
01:37<ranix>dos is an operating system. Debian is a distribution of an operating system
01:37<ranix>or what comprises one
01:37<ranix>if you want two operating systems at the same time you want two computers and/or virtualization
01:37<Supaplex>if debian were like dos, you'd get a kernel, a shell, and a bare minimum of utils. (like ls, cp, mv etc)
01:37<dpkg>dosemu is, like, a DOS emulator for Linux. If you X, graphical DOS programs will be much easier to run than if you set up dosemu to do graphics at the console. Dosemu is kind of buggy and doesn't play games well
01:38<Guest2985>i want virtural dos
01:39<ranix>dpkg, tell me about virtural
01:39<Supaplex>and is Guest2985 the most creative nick you can come up with? :)
01:39<ranix>I dunno what that is either
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01:39<Supaplex>!tell ranix -about selftell
01:40<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
01:40<dpkg>methinks msn is an abreviation for Microsoft Network. A nasty place where either the incredibaly stupid, or incredibably rich like. apparently now being used to mean just the instant messenger service
01:41<Guest2985>can somone give me a link to msn for knoppix?
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01:41<Guest2985>y not?
01:41<Supaplex>ask in knoppix?
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01:44<Guest2985>debian is kinda gay... try windows vista!
01:44<Supaplex>you're upset because we can't help a wannabe debian distro, right?
01:44<dpkg>It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.
01:45<Supaplex>!step 0
01:45<dpkg>i guess step 0 is Install debian for support here, or kindly GTFO. thank you. </public-svc-announce>
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01:45<pooch>whats a C compiler???
01:45<Guest2985>there is no games in stores for debian...
01:46<Guest2985>only windows and mac
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01:46<Supaplex>pooch: generates object/executable code from c source code
01:47<dpkg>It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.
01:47<Guest2985>!debian is gay
01:47<dpkg>Guest2985: cannot alter locked factoids
01:47<dpkg>it has been said that lesbian is probably a variation of debian
01:48<Supaplex>Guest2985: would you like to be muted? enough with the abuse
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01:49<Guest2985>how do you mute people??????:)
01:49<Supaplex>easy, !ops Guest2985 needs muting
01:49<RIVE>Guest2985, /ignore (nick)
01:50<Guest2985>how do you talk to people seretly anyway?
01:50<Hideo>Supaplex: do you know if there is a limit setting anywhere as to how many virtual terminal session I can open?
01:50<Guest2985>supaplex: hi
01:51<Hideo>vi /etc/screenrc
01:51<Supaplex>Hideo: in thory, no. just practical limits.
01:51<Guest2985>im closing down lol:P
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01:51<Hideo>Supaplex: looks like I can open about 50 screens max
01:51<Supaplex>you can set system limits via pam/ulimit/etc - but those are not just limited to terminals
01:52<Supaplex>oh now you ask about screen. that's different. :) check bts, there was a bug report requesting a higher limit. you might have to build it from deb-src and modify that by hand.
01:52<Hideo>oh it's different? I didn't know :P
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01:53<Supaplex>'terminal' is pretty generic.
01:53<pooch>is there different desktop versions for debian???
01:53<Supaplex>screen is a nice program
01:53<Hideo>indeed it is, screen + irssi :P
01:53<Supaplex>pooch: all debian packages are part of the same releases. so no.
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01:53<dpkg>methinks window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager".
01:54<Supaplex>you can install none to all of the window managers/desktop envs/ whatnot.
01:55<Supaplex>someday these <based on debian> distros will get tasksel ;)
01:55<Hideo>Supaplex: correction, screen + irssi + vim + w3m + most + octave = my wonderful setup :)
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01:57<Supaplex>Hideo: I toture screen with user mode linux :) all my login shells are a screen window, all running in one session per uml guest
01:58<Hideo>Supaplex: I haven't tried uml yet, no clue what it is
01:59<Hideo>that's like a virtual machine?
01:59<Supaplex>linux kernel running as a user mode process
02:00<Hideo>you have a use for it, or just for fun :P ?
02:00<Supaplex>just a few extra layers of security for a server side app
02:02<Hideo>aye, so how many screens did you have open
02:02<Supaplex>in any session? about 8-9
02:03<Supaplex>I played with one that has about 40
02:07<Hideo>ah, I wrote a while loop the opens up new screen, looks like I can get about 40 max
02:07<Hideo>I wonder if a recursive function would be able to open more
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02:12<Hideo>Supaplex: was trying to see if I could avoid pssh, taktuk and the likes
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02:14<Hideo>hi there
02:15<pooch>whats up
02:15<gareths>I'm trying to work out how to get wireless working
02:15<Supaplex>a two letter word indicating a relative direction
02:16<Supaplex>gareths: show us lspci -nn | grep -i net at
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02:18<Supaplex>or when you find the vendor+product id, try this:
02:18<Supaplex>!pciid [vvvv:pppp]
02:18<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo vvvv:pppp | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
02:18<Supaplex>that can help you find precompiled modules. if we can see the lspci output, we can get an idea what driver you might have to compile too.
02:19<Supaplex>anyway, It's time for me to commute back home. good luck.
02:19<gareths>03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
02:19<gareths>I've been to
02:20<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>.
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02:21<Supaplex>that's etch
02:21<gareths>so what line do I add to apt source.list
02:21<Supaplex>!tell gareths -about sources.list
02:22<Supaplex>you might already have it. look for etch main, and make sure contrib and non-free are after main
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02:23<gareths>k I'll give it a go now
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03:02<gareths>I'm a bit slow, i installedipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945"
03:03<gareths>I do ifconfig and I still don't have a wlan0
03:03<cahoot>ifconfig -a ?
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03:04<gareths>not even with ifconfig -a
03:04<cahoot>nothing useful in dmesg ?
03:05<cahoot>like the kill switch enabled?
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03:05<gareths>dmesg not sure what you mean
03:06<gareths>if I do a lsmod
03:06<gareths>ipw3945 179972 0
03:06<gareths>ieee80211 29480 1 ipw3945
03:06<gareths>ieee80211_crypt 5952 1 ieee80211
03:06<cahoot>run the command dmesg in a terminal
03:07<gareths>oh neve used dmesg it says it has detected the connection
03:08<gareths>ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL'
03:08<gareths>ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.13
03:08<gareths>ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation <>
03:08<gareths>ipw3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945 Network Connection driver for Linux, 1.1.2dmpr
03:08<gareths>ipw3945: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation
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03:10<gareths>Oh i guess you can't paste much in irc
03:11<gareths>I'll play around with my wireless and see how I go. Thanks for your help
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03:22<keith>Debian 4.0: Network Printers. I set up a printer on my network and can ping it successfully but how do I print to it? Any help?
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03:25<hathe>keith: configure cups using http://localhost:631 for example
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03:28<keith>hathe: Yes I went into that but cannot see where to do that. And what is a UPI?
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03:34<cahoot>keith: like this?
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03:57<nekoexmachina>Well, guys, a little problem with the X server - it's loading 30% of CPU without any kind of composite managers etc., with only kde 3.5 and karamba running. In the karamba 3 modules are loaded - 1 monitor with pseudo -transperensy and one amark-control module
03:57<nekoexmachina>Can it be helped anyway? I've googled for the problem, but found nothing
03:58<nekoexmachina>O - forgot - the cpu is amd x2 3800+, distro is etch, the kernel was reconfigured for using both cpus and with highmem param
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04:03<jaakko>nekoexmachina: Is the problem only with kde?
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04:04<jaakko>nekoexmachina: if you start without it, is the cpu ~0?
04:04<nekoexmachina>Ops, didn't check it
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04:06<nekoexmachina>Yes, without KDE cpu is ~~0
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04:11<jaakko>nekoexmachina: ok, then see which program is it. "top"
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04:13<nekoexmachina>Yes, i know the top cmd - but there is no program loading any %% of cpu without KDE. If kde loaded - just X loads so hardly.
04:15<jaakko>nekoexmachina: and you startded X without KDE -> cpu 0?
04:15<nekoexmachina>Yes, yes.
04:16<jaakko>nekoexmachina: I don't know how to find out more.. is it a bug in X or KDE.
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04:16<nekoexmachina>Well, then ill just use xfce :) Thx for answering.
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04:18<evilmanu>I have a problem with v4l
04:19<evilmanu>when I want start xawtv ow v4l-config, my monitor became black, and the only way for exit is ctrl-alt-backspace
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04:22<tecno>how to install openoffice in spanish with apt-get
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04:25<hathe>tecno: apt-get install
04:26<doug>do they have support for docx files yet on that?
04:26<tecno>hathe, but i need to install openoffice first in english?
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04:27<hathe>tecno: I think has all needed dependencies
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04:28<hathe>tecno: then install OOo en first
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04:30<pooch>dpkg: error processing (anything) (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: (Anything)
04:30<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
04:30<pooch>what does it mean????
04:31<dondelelcaro>it means that you don't have the required packages installed.
04:31<pooch>how do i know what packages are needed and where do i find them??
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04:34<jaakko>pooch: did you check out the package is not availebe with aptitude?
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04:35<jaakko>pooch: what are you installing?
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04:35<pooch>but i get that message with everything
04:35<identify>Hmm, Is gnome on CD1?
04:36<jaakko>pooch: everyting? use aptitude, not dpkg
04:37<pooch>what is aptitude???
04:37<jaakko>pooch: but you can try now "aptitude install limewire" (if the package uses that name)
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04:38<pooch>I was using something called kpackage
04:38<jaakko>pooch: that might solve your dependencies if it was .deb
04:38<cahoot>limewire isn't in debian is it?
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04:39<pooch>its name is LimewireLinux.deb
04:39<pooch>does that help
04:40<Gekz>get frostwire
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04:40<pooch>is that the same as limewire
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04:45<_spar74n>frostwire looks promessing ;)
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04:47<jaakko>limewire is not in debian repos but aptitude will solve the dependencies if they are available.
04:48<jaakko>and if you can't get those from debian.. it is pretty much useless .deb.
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04:52<pooch>is there a help manual for first time users
04:54<jaakko>pooch: using what?
04:54<jaakko>pooch: limewire, frostwire, aptitude, debian..?
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04:55<jaakko>pooch: I think I gave a good link to you last time
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04:55<pooch>I need somthing easier
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04:56<pooch>i dont get half of what it is talking about
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04:57<pooch>im here----- it's here^^^^^
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05:01<jaakko>pooch: what would you like to understand better?
05:01<Gekz>pooch: frostwire doesnt suck
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05:02<jaakko>pooch: debian is complicated and there can't be a simple help covering the system.
05:03<pooch>Gekz: where is it
05:03<pooch>yeah I know that but there has to be something i can read that is at my level
05:04<Gekz>pooch: the intenret
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05:11<pooch>that was weird can packages automaticlly install themselves?
05:11<luckylin>is there a better way to use a wireless usb than with ndiswrapper? (mine is configured and working with ndiswrapper but i want to know how else you might be able to set one up)
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05:11<luckylin>wireless usb lan**
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05:12<cahoot>using a linux driver if there is one
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05:14<luckylin>thanks cahoot, i think i'll do a quick web search for linux drivers then
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05:15<pooch>frostwire looks like its downloaded but it doesnt open
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05:20<jaakko>pooch: you could be a little bit more informative with you questions.. how did you "download" it? And I suggest you start using aptitude.
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05:20<sulo-rtto>Is this right choice for sempron processor? Intel x86 / IA-32 (i386)
05:20<pooch>i hit download on thier site then all of a sudden it auto installed on the comp
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05:22<pooch>now when i click on it, it says loading application but then it disappears
05:22<pooch>what is wrong with it?
05:23<torrr>I am trying to debug, and I don't have symbols even though I compile with -g
05:24<pooch>i got an idea maybe i need to restart brb
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05:29<pooch>back still not working
05:29<pooch>Frostwire looks like it's starting up doesn't ever startup it just disappears
05:29<pooch>any ideas???
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05:30<_spar74n>starts up fine here
05:30<_spar74n>just installed it
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05:32<_spar74n>got frostwire from their site and got sun-java5-jre package from debian repos
05:33<evilmanu>what mean No DGA support available for this display.?
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05:35<pooch>where is debian repos
05:37<pooch>going once
05:37<pooch>going twice
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05:38<_spar74n>apt-get install sun-java5-jre
05:38<_spar74n>pooch apt-get install sun-java5-jre
05:38<dpkg>well, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
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05:39<_spar74n>pooch u there?
05:40<_spar74n>try apt-get install sun-java5-jre
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05:41<_spar74n>pooch you got frostwire from frostwire site?
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05:42<sulo-rtto>Is this right choice for AMD Sempron processor? Intel x86 / IA-32 (i386)
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05:44<_spar74n>installed java? (apt-get install sun-java5-jre
05:44<_spar74n>sulo-rtto you can check on wikipedia what architecture sempron is
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05:47<pooch>how do i know if it installed
05:48<pooch>java that is
05:50<_spar74n>apt-get install sun-java5-jre in console
05:50<_spar74n>it will say that it downloads package and installs it
05:50<_spar74n>sulo-rtto sempron is AMD64
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05:51<_spar74n>thats x86
05:51<_spar74n>but 64 bit
05:51<_spar74n>not 32
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05:52<_spar74n>do nano /etc/apt/sources.lst
05:53<_spar74n>do nano /etc/apt/sources.list
05:53<_spar74n>and add debian lenny repository in
05:53<_spar74n>and try again
05:53<_spar74n>but do apt-get update first
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05:54<_spar74n>pooch or goto debian packages list site an download sun-java5-jre packgae and install manually
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05:56<pooch>how do i install it manually
05:57<valdyn>!info sun-java6-jre etch
05:57<valdyn>!info sun-java5-jre etch
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05:57<dpkg>sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-14-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 7289 kB, Installed size: 15984 kB
05:58<florin>I am beginer
05:58<dpkg>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
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06:02<_spar74n>dpkg haha
06:02*dpkg laughs!! that's funny _spar74n!
06:02<_spar74n>just download the package and dpkg -i packagename.deb
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06:02<_spar74n>dpkg you are the man;)
06:02<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
06:03<_spar74n>ok then
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06:03<_spar74n>dpkg you are the woman:)
06:03<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
06:03<_spar74n>dpkg dont get me wrong but you seem like a blonde;)
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06:04<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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06:04<_spar74n>weasel hi! Im learning my irc ethics ;)
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06:05<@weasel>you better be a fast learner.
06:05<_spar74n>weasel that i am, no worries ;)
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06:06<_spar74n>what do you guys think about codeblocks IDE?
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06:08<florin>care stie romaneste
06:09<florin>sex on line
06:09<@weasel>yes, wrong channel.
06:09<florin>e cineva acolo?
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06:10<gelo>hello florin
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06:19<pooch>java is installed but frostwire still dont work!!
06:20<pooch>any ideas???
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06:32<jMCg>pooch: update-alternatives -- set jdk/jre to Sun's.
06:33<jMCg>Good morning gelo,
06:37<_spar74n>pooch wierd
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06:38<pooch>Starting FrostWire...
06:38<pooch>Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
06:38<pooch>OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE. FrostWire works best with Sun JRE available at
06:38<pooch>ls: /usr/lib/j*: No such file or directory
06:38<pooch>OOPS, unable to locate java exec in /usr/lib/ hierarchy
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06:39<pooch>yeah that is what i got
06:40<_spar74n>pooch if jre is installed correctly it should be there
06:41<pooch>Frostwire says jre needs to be updated
06:41<pooch>how do i update it
06:41<_spar74n>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
06:43<pooch>that doesnt update it
06:45<_spar74n>try apt-get remove sun-java5-jre
06:45<_spar74n>then apt-get install sun-java5-jre
06:47<pooch>I think I have outdated update webpages
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06:51<pooch>how do i change where the updates are coming from???
06:51<@weasel>etc apt sources.list
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06:52<pooch>command not found
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06:53<_spar74n>pooch nano /etc/apt/sources.list
06:54<pooch>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 2008021$
06:54<pooch>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 2008021$
06:54<pooch>deb etch main
06:54<pooch>deb-src etch main
06:54<pooch>deb etch/updates main contrib
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06:54<pooch>are those right
06:56<pooch>_spar74n: are those the webpages that should be there
06:57<_spar74n>pooch yea
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07:30<ariel>Anybody know how to get bluetooth working with a sony ericsson?
07:32<ariel>I have installed Wammu and bluetooth but I connot pair the phone with etch
07:32<ariel>am I missing anything else?
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07:35<jhr-online>i cannot boot with 2.6.24 (lenny) because: "cryptsetup: source device /dev/hda5 not found"
07:35<jhr-online>2.6.18 works great
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07:37<p33w5t3r>How is everybody ?
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07:37<ariel>fine thanks
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07:42<p33w5t3r>Anybody from NL in here ?
07:42<ariel>Geert Wilder
07:42<p33w5t3r>Yeah lunatic
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07:43<p33w5t3r>Ah well i'm not interested in politcs :D
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07:43<ariel>Hey know anything about bluetooth?
07:43<p33w5t3r>very little :)
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07:44<p33w5t3r>You know something about debian and ati :)
07:44<ariel>are you using etch?
07:44<p33w5t3r>no lenny
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07:45<ariel>well not sure if lenny came with automatix but it is very handy dor installing drivers
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07:47<p33w5t3r>Ok well to install the driver was not the problem, but everytime i get a kernel update my fglrx stops working. Really anoying.
07:48<hathe>p33w5t3r: thats because you have to rebuild fglrx for every kernel you install...
07:49<p33w5t3r>Ow ok that sounds logic :) I'll try it next time when i get a update :)
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07:53<WASSUP>I have a problem with usb mass storage
07:54<elky>ariel, automatix is dangerous
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07:54<WASSUP>I installed gnome-volume-manager but when I connect my usb device this don automount
07:54<WASSUP>and don appear in my desktop
07:54<WASSUP>I have debian lenny testing
07:54<WASSUP>any solution?
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07:58<WASSUP>I solved the problem just now
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08:00<gareth_>hi there
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08:19<Arruor>hi there
08:20<Arruor>I've a problem with installing postgresql on lenny
08:20<Arruor>when I type atp-get install postgresql I've receive the following err message:
08:20<Arruor>ERROR: encoding UTF8 does not match server's locale bg_BG
08:20<Arruor>DETAIL: The server's LC_CTYPE setting requires encoding WIN1251.
08:21<Arruor>is this about misconfigured locales or misconfigured posgresql's conf files?
08:21<Arruor>I'm using bg_BG.UTF-8 as a default locale
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08:25<pooch>help me\
08:25<pooch>help me\
08:25<pooch>help me\
08:25<pooch>help me\
08:26<pooch>I followed the Java directions to install jre exactly but it is not working
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08:29<pooch>anybody ou there
08:29<pooch>anybody out there
08:30<pooch>can u halp me
08:30<jhr-online>i don't know
08:30<pooch>I followed the Java directions to install jre exactly but it is not working
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08:30<jhr-online>i'm sorry
08:30<jhr-online>which directions and in which way is it not working?
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08:31<mikes_>pooch apt-cache search jre
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08:31<mikes_>pooch: apt-get install sun-java6-jre
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08:32<pooch>Reading package lists... Done
08:32<pooch>Building dependency tree... Done
08:32<pooch>Package sun-java6-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package.
08:32<pooch>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
08:32<pooch>is only available from another source
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08:33<pooch>that is what i get every time
08:33<mikes_>pooch: using debian stable??
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08:34<mikes_>pooch: add non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list
08:34<mikes_>then apt-get update
08:34<mikes_>and apt-get install sun-java5-jre
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08:34<blarson>pooch: what arch?
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08:34<pooch>what is an arch
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08:35<blarson>pooch: i386, amd64, sparc, etc.
08:35<pooch>how do i add non-free what is the website
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08:36<mikes_>pooch add a non-free next to your repositories line. up to now it should be writing only "main"
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08:36<elephant>sorry. guys, may you know where to get help on gentoo linux (I'm gonna build xgl from source)
08:36<blarson>pooch: I think the non-free java is i386 only.
08:36<pooch>deb etch main
08:36<pooch>deb-src etch main
08:36<pooch>deb etch/updates main contrib
08:36<pooch>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
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08:36<pooch>that is what the list is
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08:37<mikes_>pooch: add non-free next to main
08:37<mikes_>and then apt-get update
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08:37<pooch>whats it going to look like
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08:37<pooch>or what
08:37<mikes_>deb sid main contrib non-free heres an example
08:38<mikes_>using your list it should be like : deb etch main non-free
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08:40<tython>How can I list channels using cmnd?
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08:42<Arruor>tython: on irc ? type /quote list
08:43<tython>Thank you!I use opera
08:43<pooch>that didnt work
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08:43<tython>That also work
08:43<C-xC-s>i cannot install debian on my macbook. i tried the tutorial on and on but I cannot install debian.
08:44<tython>How can I get a online help of the irc serv?
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08:44<C-xC-s>first it stops for a while on: sd 0:0:0:0 Attached scsi disk sda
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08:44<tython>Try it on a pc
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08:45<C-xC-s>then it stops on syslogd. after 5 minutes on that state my screen goes blank.
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08:48<tython>Why do you buy a pc to install debian and just use Mac OS on your Mac?
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08:51<C-xC-s>tython: because my chef gave me one ;)
08:51<C-xC-s>you dont question a boss ;)
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08:53<tython>Then you have to use debian because of work?
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08:55<petemc>tython: why are you questioning someones decision to use debian?
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08:56<tython>for nothing :)
08:57<WASSUP>I cann't write in my usb
08:57<EmleyMoor>Is there a way I can make an init.d script "verbose" - i.e. to show me what it's doing so I can see where it fails?
08:58<WASSUP>the error told that is a read-only filesystem
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09:02<EmleyMoor>How do I put "trace" on for a bash script - so that it shows me what it's doing?
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09:07<Benix>hi, I just saw that kdelibs + base 4.0.66svn are entering experimental .. will apps like konqueror etc. also be packaged from svn or just the core-packages?
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09:18<NeoJew>I'm using Debian Etch and when I close my laptop over night, it's off in the morning.
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09:18<NeoJew>I don't have it setup to do that in power managment, any ideas?
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09:20<amphi>NeoJew: the battery is drained in the morning?
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09:21<NeoJew>It's plugged in
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09:22<amphi>the acpi lid event is invoking suspend-to-disk?
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09:22<NeoJew>idk. It asks me to log in when I open it up, but if it's closed over night it's off.
09:23<NeoJew>Maybe it has something to do with heat. It seems like it's been running hotter since I installed Linux.
09:24<amphi>NeoJew: what cpu is it?
09:24<NeoJew>2 secs, I need to check.
09:24<amphi>cat /proc/cpuinfo
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09:25<NeoJew>I THINK it's an Intel Core Duo processor T2600
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09:26<NeoJew>yah, it's the T2600
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09:27<mysupper>I searched google about installing qmail and I saw some pages telling me to use source building. But I wonder there is some way to set qmail , vpopmail and so on using pkg's.
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09:27<NeoJew>Thanks for the time Amphi, but I got to go do some work real quick. I'll be back for a while in an hour hopefully.
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09:27<amphi>NeoJew: does the file /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor exist?
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09:28<peech>mysupper: qmail seems to be the most challenging MTA out there. do you have good reasons to use qmail instead of exim or postfix?
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09:29<mysupper>peech, I used to use qmail when I was using redhat several yrs ago and I know that's relly good.
09:29<NeoJew>cpufreq directory doesn't exist
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09:29<mysupper>peech, so I want to do that on debian at my machine.
09:29<NeoJew>gtg, be back in a while
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09:30<mysupper>peech, I couldn't use sendmail things when I was using qmail several yrs ago that qmail was awesome.
09:30<mysupper>peech, so you have any good suggestion?
09:30<peech>mysupper: on debian there is a package called qmail-src which will assist you to build a binary
09:30<peech>that is due to the restrictive license DJB chooses for his software
09:31<mysupper>peech, I know that license problems.
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09:32<mysupper>peech, how about installing vpopmail and other spam kiling methods during installing by qmail src package?
09:32<peech>mysupper: no idea to be honest, because i either use exim or postfix
09:32<mysupper>peech, ok thx.
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09:34<mysupper> , this page gave me some ideas but I want to hear experiences from who did it nice and easy.
09:34<mysupper>Before I mess up my precious machine.
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09:37<hypnotic>hi there, in the past I tried to share the same logins on differents distro (same home, same login) but that was never a great succes, I was wondering if it was possible within debian but between systems, in other words, can I use the same login for both my x86 and amd64 debian (both lenny)
09:37<hypnotic>without getting complications or getting a mess
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09:38<hypnotic>weasel: hi weasel, didnt we talk yesterday about mixed systems and stuff?
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09:40<hypnotic>could you share /etc and /var also?
09:40<hypnotic>just curious where the systems differ and where they are they same
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09:44<weasel>var probably not.
09:44<weasel>etc maybe, but how would you do that in a sane way
09:45<hypnotic>dont now, just curious about how similar the systems are setup
09:46<hypnotic>but most interesting would be to have shared logins on both systems
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09:47<hypnotic>now i have 2 seperate logins which is not handy but no risk of messing things up
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09:49<hypnotic>yesterday i found out that repos and packages are maintained symmetrical between arches, so all packages would at least have the same version number between arches
09:50<hypnotic>only reason i dont use shared logins is because i had some bad experience with it when using it between different distros, since then i give every system its own personal user login
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09:53<bma>hypnotic, what was the problem you had? I don't think there would be a problem sharing logins between Debian installs, but I'm not certain.
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09:53<hypnotic>no problem, i just dont do it after i tried it in the past between different distros
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09:54<hypnotic>but it seems a bit unnecessary with 2 debian lennys with different arches
09:55<bma>I'd be wary of sharing system users, unless you made sure that all the system users that both installs needed were present, but sharing human users shouldn't be a problem at all.
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09:55<sikrio>hello people
09:56<hypnotic>aha ok, wasnt planning on sharing system users, only my own personal user login
09:56<hypnotic>hi sikrio
09:56<sikrio>speak spanish?
09:56<sikrio>i'm from venezuela
09:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:57<hypnotic>chicas calientes, thats probably a good summary of my spanish knowledge ;)
09:57<sikrio>some beautifull girls
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09:58<sikrio>and... who use debian sid?
09:58<sikrio>my english very bad =P
09:58<hypnotic>i am a lenny guy
09:59<sikrio>jejeje I am in my laptop lenny
09:59<sikrio>but in mi desktop sid
09:59<MoDaX>sikrio: ask
09:59<sikrio>and ubuntushit
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09:59<hypnotic>yesterday is was a lenny/sid mixed guy but today i decided to be a lenny only guy
09:59<sikrio>lenny is very good.
09:59<hypnotic>bleh ubuntu
09:59<sikrio>but sid
10:00<hypnotic>too many bugs
10:00<sikrio>but ubuntu use my sister
10:00*artur said "Debian rules!"
10:00<sikrio>yep debian roolz
10:00<hypnotic>my top3: debian, pardus and pclinuxos
10:00<sikrio>my: debian.. gentoo.. backtrack
10:00<hypnotic>but i am thinking of kicking out pclos out of the top3 ;)
10:01<sikrio>ubuntu for my little syster
10:01<hypnotic>aha backtrack, dont now that one yet
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10:01<sikrio>i use for the wifi
10:01<sikrio>is good.. pasword wap
10:01<sikrio>very easy
10:01<hypnotic>i use utp :p
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10:02<tython>people can't talk about other os in this channle?
10:02<hypnotic>no? i thought linux was about freedom ;)
10:02<sikrio>i dont understan
10:03<spydefender>try to type #channel
10:03<spydefender>fjr your OS
10:03<hypnotic>is there an windows xp channel? :p
10:03<sikrio>windows for dummyes
10:03<spydefender>try// all in your hands)
10:04<hypnotic>hi cruise
10:04<sikrio>i am 16 years old
10:04<tython>a lot of people use win xp
10:04<cruise>i have this channel url, but i dunno how to access it. Can u help?
10:04<sikrio>but some time i dont use windows
10:04<hypnotic>there are a lot of people with bad taste in this world ;)
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10:05<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
10:05<hypnotic>only got virtual xp since linux :D
10:05<sikrio>funny pic
10:05<MoDaX>sikrio: you're getting too much offtopic
10:06<tython>If a people like Linux,will he support C++ or other OO programming language?
10:06<sikrio>tython what is the problem?
10:07<tython>Linus don't like C++,I know
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10:07<hypnotic>is there also a C+ and a C- ?
10:07<sikrio>apt-get install build-essential
10:07<sikrio>apt-get install geany
10:07<sikrio>is great
10:08<tython>Object oriented
10:08<MoDaX>tython: C++ is not for kernels!
10:09<sikrio>what is your question¿?
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10:10<tython>my question is: a programmer will like C++ if he use Linux?
10:10<weasel>it's a silly question.
10:10<sikrio>is esay
10:11<sikrio>install gcc/g+
10:11<sikrio>and install geany or anjunta
10:11<sikrio>o kdevelopet
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10:11<sikrio>i programming
10:11<sikrio>in c++
10:11<sikrio>only the basic
10:11<sikrio>but is estuding
10:12<sikrio>and perl
10:12<tython>.net can be used in Linux?
10:12<sikrio>use java
10:12<sikrio>o python
10:12<sikrio>= multiplataforma (spanish)
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10:13<sikrio>.net is a plataform
10:13<sikrio>of Mircros$oft
10:13<tython>yes,I know.
10:13<avtobiff>you can use mono to run .net on gnu/linux
10:14<sikrio>what is mono?
10:14<sikrio>my english sucks
10:14<tython>me too
10:14<tython>English is not my mother language
10:14<MoDaX>!info mono
10:15<tingle>whats a light pdf reafer for linux (gnome)
10:15<spydefender>well, there is noone, who can tell "i'm en-speaking"
10:15<MoDaX>xpdf or evince
10:16<sikrio>evince is great
10:17<sikrio>is for all works
10:17<tython>When I use irc I also need babylon :)
10:17<sikrio>and to export doc to pdf
10:17*spydefender outgoing but here
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10:19<tython>I think php is much better than
10:19<sikrio> and php are different
10:20<sikrio>mmm i use php with ajax, javascript
10:20<MoDaX>tython: you can compare asp with php, but not with php
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10:20<sikrio>and html y css.. Obviously
10:20<tython>yes,but I used before
10:21<sikrio> for looser
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10:21<MoDaX>tython: is completely another architecture and design. you can compare it e.g. with jsp & friends
10:21<tython>any one know joomla?
10:22<sikrio>this is to channel for debian
10:22<sikrio>mmm creo que eso debe ir en off topic
10:22<tython>well,I know
10:22<MoDaX>sikrio: this is actually debian support channel
10:22<tython>joomla is so amazing
10:23<sikrio>but topic for debian
10:23<tython>Do you know it?
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10:24<tython>joomla is a php software,I think it can be tolked in debian
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10:27<sikrio>i go
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10:27<sikrio>see you latther people
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10:27<tython>see you
10:28<sikrio>nos vemos gente xD
10:28<sikrio>Flisol 2008 venezuela
10:28<tython>can I add you to my friend list?
10:28<Ganneff>you want to continue that in a query
10:28<tython>Does irc have this feature?
10:29<Ganneff>use /msg
10:29<tython>I can't,I am a stupid man
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10:30<sikrio>good bye
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10:30<EmleyMoor>Does anyone know of a repository that has an unofficial .deb for pyyimt 0.4?
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10:37<carlita>ciao a tutti
10:37<dpkg>one warez list being sent to carlita
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10:37<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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10:40<C-xC-s>how can i check what went wrong during an install?
10:40<C-xC-s>my install always fails at: Starting system log daemon: syslogd, klogd.
10:41<C-xC-s>I do not know what the problem is.
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10:41<witte>C-xC-s: can you go to a console? normally on ctrl-alt-f4 (or any of the others) you can see more output
10:41<C-xC-s>witte: tried that one. no it does not work.
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10:42<witte>C-xC-s: is your cd good, tried an other one?
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10:43<witte>C-xC-s: and which debian are you installing?
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10:43<C-xC-s>witte: i tried 2 dvds etch-4.0r0 and etch-4.0r3
10:43<C-xC-s>witte: the first one was used before for some setups
10:44<witte>C-xC-s: is it very new hardware?
10:44<C-xC-s>witte: yes. it is a macbook. i followed a tutorial
10:44<witte>try one with a newer kernel maybe?
10:44<witte>!etch 2.6.24
10:44<witte>!etch 2.6.23
10:44<dpkg>[etch 2.6.23] kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at
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10:45<witte>macbook, is that intel chip or not?
10:45<C-xC-s>witte: yeah it states intel core2duo
10:45<witte>ok, i don't think that the site listed has ppc versions
10:45<C-xC-s>witte: all online references say that etch is ok for install.
10:46<witte>C-xC-s: ah, ok
10:46<C-xC-s>witte: the first problem seems to be the hard drive
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10:46<witte>C-xC-s: in that case i don't know. Wait a bit here if someone else knows, or you could try #debian-boot maybe, there the real boot experts
10:47<C-xC-s>ok i will try that one.
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10:48<witte>C-xC-s: ah, just as a warning: reaction in #debian-boot can be a bit slow
10:49<C-xC-s>witte: ;)
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11:00*spydefender tut
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11:12<abrotman>zophyx: you sohuld know better!
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11:13<zophyx>i was a fool in love
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11:17<sysop>how do I block an ip in iptables?
11:21<zophyx>a simple method is to add an INPUT rule that drops the packet for that IP address
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11:49<Hackel>If I have chrooted to a mounted filesystem image, can anyone tell me what I need to do in order to run X applications within the chroot? I've copied over .X11-unix and .ICE-unix but still get connection refused to the X server (running outside the chroot).
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11:58<bma>Hackel, .Xauthority and .ICEauthority?
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11:59<Hackel>bma: Ah, forgot about that one, thanks.
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12:00<zophyx>xhost inside the non chroot
12:01<zophyx>maybe it isn't that warped
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12:06<hell-jack>may be it can be not interested with debian
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12:07<hell-jack>but i dont know the exact place where i ask
12:07<hell-jack>i wonna establi,sh gentoo in my computer
12:07<hell-jack>i am joining gentoo page
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12:08<hell-jack>there foure thing minimal cd universal cd package cd live cd
12:08<dpkg>i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also or ask me about <greenhouse>. or rice rice rice rice, or, or #gentoo @
12:08<hell-jack>what is the difference about these foru release
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12:08<witte>hell-jack: you should ask #gentoo @
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12:10<mobin>hello everyone.
12:10<mobin>I need a help regarding debian fonts. Is there any sinhala fonts available in debian.
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12:17<witte>mobin: don't know if that is something useful, but it should be possible to do so (I am not sure, as i even had to use wikipedia to know what sinhala is :-/)
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12:18<mobin>witte: :) thanks. Here the problem is there is a lot of unicode ttf fonts for sinhala( srilankan language). But is there any with debian package?
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12:20<witte>mobin: the page I mentioned has some unofficial debs, and it mentions scim. Maybe one of those is worth investigating?
12:21<mobin>witte: its unofficial debs. Yes, I will investigate up on that.
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12:25<imperia>hi. how can i make dhcp server to add names of the connected clients to DNS
12:25<weasel>ask google
12:26<weasel>there are at least two ways that I'm aware of but I'd have to check the details too
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12:27<imperia>i was using dnsmasq before.. but i switched to dhcpd and disabled the dhcp part of dnsmasq... but i left the dns part running.
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12:31<Startkill-ubuntu>este X-chat es en español?
12:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:25<javo>hi. I just installed katapult. It works well, Alt+space does not work for launch it. This opens a contextual menu from menubar instead. Any solution? Thanks to everyone!
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13:39<javo>Solved! thanks
13:39<javo>it was something with shortcuts stuff
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13:44<Arruor>Hello there
13:45<Arruor>I have a problem with installing a postgresql on Debian testing
13:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:45<Arruor>when I type apt-get install postgresql - I've receive this error msg
13:45<Arruor>ERROR: encoding UTF8 does not match server's locale bg_BG
13:45<Arruor>DETAIL: The server's LC_CTYPE setting requires encoding WIN1251.
13:45<Arruor>is this caused by misconfigured locales or?
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13:46<javo>question: i have my debian in spanish language, which is fine. But i want that The Gimp be in English (for better understanding comparing with tutorials and Photoshop which i use in english). Is this possible to do? and how?
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13:47<Arruor>dli: I didn't say that I have a question, I said that I have a problem - I'm thinking that's different
13:48<witte>javo: i think: export LANG=en_US; gimp
13:49<javo>writting that in console ? Thanks!
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13:49<dli>javo, or put it in your ~/.bashrc, or xinitrc.d
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13:50<amphi>javo: no need for export - 'LANG=en_US gimp' should do
13:51<javo>i have not any folder named .bashrc on my home folder :(
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13:52<dli>javo you can safely create one
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13:52<witte>javo: it is a file, but than you will have english in your bash environment for every application you start (not sure if you want that)
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13:53<javo>ok ill search a bit on google so... thanks ppl !
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13:53<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default.
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13:58<rubix>@ all, im looking 4 a webcam using debian (testing 2.6.24) - who can help me?
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14:00<javo>dammit! (can i say dammit here?) it should be easier to switch the language of a particular application :(
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14:01<dli>javo, LANG=en_US.UTF-8 gimp &, how difficult is that
14:01<rubix>switch the language too ...?
14:02<javo>LANG=en_US.UTF-8 gimp & ?? Thanks dli! you are the man!
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14:02<dli>javo, make a desktop file on your desktop, just click it
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14:03<chealer>rubix: what?
14:03<rubix>im looking 4 a webcam
14:03<chealer>javo: you can, but you shouldn't if it's useless
14:04<rubix>i tried logitec quikcam pro 4000 - but it doesnt work correctly
14:05<javo>chealer: what thing is useless?
14:05<chealer>javo: saying "dammit"
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14:06<javo>chealer: you are right, i apopogise about that
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14:10<witte>rubix: google says that that webcam should work (module pwc)
14:10<rubix>yes but not stable
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14:12<rubix>the drv's are for quckCam pro, but not for quckCam pro 4000 ...
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14:12<rubix>is philips a good choice?
14:12<rubix>or creative?
14:13<witte>rubix: don't know how recent that page is...
14:14<witte>rubix: that page says also that the quick pro 4000 is fully supported
14:15<rubix>i see
14:16<rubix>but while using camorama i wasnt lucky with the result
14:16<witte>rubix: i don't have a webcam, so i don't know how to use one, maybe just trying some different programs/settings.
14:16<rubix>i did
14:17<rubix>mostly all progs gave me some errors back
14:17<vd>i am currently using logitech communigate pro stx under lenny
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14:17<vd>and I am very happy with it
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14:18<rubix><vd>: which prog
14:18<israel>some one speak spanish??
14:18<rubix>do u uuse
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14:19<vd>skype, ekiga and openwengo
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14:19<rubix>whats about picture quality?
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14:19<vd>I am happy about the quality
14:20<rubix>some errors in syslog?
14:20<vd>I had some sort of a crappy 5 dollar webcam that was way worse
14:20<vd>no errors
14:20<vd>you need a kernel module for it
14:21<rubix>thats what i need ;-)
14:21<vd>i tried both the one from a repo
14:21<vd>and then compiled one from source
14:22<vd>never had any problems
14:22<rubix>sounds good
14:22<rubix>did u ever use webcamd oder webcam-server pkg?
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14:25<vd>no I haven't
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14:27<rubix>ok thx, i will take it
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14:52<asymptote>abrotman, doesn't look it to me
14:52<asymptote>Does anyone have tvuplayer working for linux?
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14:53<abrotman>because you got a new IP and you're ban evading
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14:54<asymptote>abrotman, you are not in any position to tell me what channel i can go into and which ones I cannot
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14:54<asymptote>abrotman, remember, the goal of linux is to empower the user and stop the controlling and monitoring of proprietary software
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14:56<chealer>asymptote: ask #linux
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14:57<asymptote>chealer, I don't appreciate the smart remark
14:57<alvarezp>In how do I look for a bug based on its description? I don't know what package is the faulty one.
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14:58<abrotman>asymptote: is tvuplayer in Debian ?
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14:59<asymptote>abrotman, I have yet to find any source code at this point
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14:59<asymptote>abrotman, I'm hoping someone here has already downloaded and installed it
14:59<abrotman>alvarezp: did you find it ?
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14:59<abrotman>asymptote: it's not in Debian
14:59<asymptote>abrotman, do you use tvu ?
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14:59<asymptote>abrotman, you don't know that for absolute certainty
14:59<abrotman>asymptote: yes, i do
14:59<asymptote>abrotman, it could be under a different name
14:59<abrotman>so find it
15:00<asymptote>abrotman, the government has loads of projects whose names are coded to seem docile
15:00<abrotman>asymptote: do you have a question related to Debian or not?
15:00<alvarezp>abrotman: yes, it's *stupidly* not under "view bug reports", but under "search bug reports", lower on the screen.
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15:00<asymptote>abrotman, please leave me alone
15:01<asymptote>abrotman, I'm not saying anything else if you'll just leave me alone and stop harassing me
15:01<alvarezp>when the "viewing" section is actually a narrow-down form that looks like a search form. Completely messed up.
15:01<abrotman>try to ask questions related to debian
15:01<abrotman>alvarezp: yes. you can also use google to search them
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15:02<alvarezp>abrotman: you can not rely on google for searching every type of bug. -- Some bugs show up, others are difficult to find.
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15:02<abrotman>alvarezp: you can tell it to search the bugs mailing list
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15:05<alvarezp>abrotman: I wish the server responded with some kind of "too busy" error at least.
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15:05<abrotman>alvarezp: too busy for what?
15:05<alvarezp>Maybe it is a coincidence, but most of the time, it's been unresponsive for me.
15:06<alvarezp>Completely useless. That's why I'm trying to directly search on the bugs database.
15:06<abrotman>alvarezp: what are you searching for ?
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15:07<alvarezp>abrotman: a weird condition in my system where everytime I reboot, I loose the keyboard layout.
15:07<alvarezp>It doesn't get "quite" lost, but somehow simply not recognized.
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15:11<alvarezp>abrotman: thanks for the link. It looks like the bug is yet unknown.
15:11<alvarezp>Or a misconfiguration in my box.
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15:12<abrotman>alvarezp: maybe look at
15:13<alvarezp>abrotman: It happens whenever I log in to GNOME. I wish I know what the component that do this is.
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15:13<abrotman>alvarezp: there is a gnome keyboard applet
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15:18<alvarezp>looks like the keyboard settings are not getting loaded.
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15:21<alvarezp>abrotman: for instance, I want to file a bug using "reportbug". However, I really don't know what the affected package is.
15:22<alvarezp>in my case, I don't know what package is causing the keyboard settings not loaded on login.
15:22<abrotman>alvarezp: you could go to #gnome-debian on and see if they can help you track it down
15:22<alvarezp>abrotman: I see. Thanks for your help.
15:24<alvarezp>abrotman: I found it in Ubuntu. It says it's fixed upstream.
15:24<alvarezp>So, now I got something specific. Thanks.
15:25<abrotman>alvarezp: which version of debian are you running ?
15:25<abrotman>!info gnome-settings-daemon
15:25<dpkg>gnome-settings-daemon: (GNOME settings daemon), section gnome, is extra. Version: 2.22.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 452 kB, Installed size: 2724 kB
15:26<alvarezp>hmmm..... it refuses to upgrade... there must be something to be kept-back...
15:26<abrotman>alvarezp: it should be fixed in sid .. dpkg -l gnome-settings-daemon | tail -1 .. what does it say ?
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15:27<alvarezp>nothing... (!!!!!!!!)
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15:27<alvarezp>I thought this was part of core gnome.
15:28<abrotman>so you don't have it ?
15:28<abrotman>!rdepends gnome-settings-daemon
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15:28<abrotman>alvarezp: try installing it ?
15:28<alvarezp>yes. I will. Somehow it wants me to do it manually because of libgnomekbd-common. I will try.
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15:33<alvarezp>abrotman: thanks again. I'll reboot later and try.
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15:34<alvarezp>What was !rdepends supposed to do?
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15:35<abrotman>witte: no
15:35<abrotman>alvarezp: dpkg can show depends .. thought i'd try rdepends
15:35<witte>abrotman: no?
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15:35<abrotman>it doesn't work
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15:58<javo>what is the package name for compiz fusion? i want to install it on lenny.
15:59<amphi>javo: apt-cache search compiz-fusion
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16:02<chealer>javo: none. compiz fusion is a set of plugins.
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16:03<javo>ok so i have to install them separately, is that right?
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16:03<javo>or install compiz an then compiz-fusion plugins?
16:04<NeoJew>Do the bot's answers exist somewhere online?
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16:08<chealer>javo: no, they're grouped in collections.
16:09<chealer>dpkg: tell NeoJew about your factoids
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16:10<javo>so if i install compiz-fusion-plugins-main that is enough to have compiz-fusion on my pc?
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16:15<padski>does the grub in etch do the same automatic rewriting that lilo does for mulitple windows boots ?
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16:16<ketone>hi there
16:16<chealer>javo: not unless using a strict definition of "compiz-fusion"
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16:16<ketone>might be a little OT, but I have a few csv files I need to join line-by-line
16:17<ketone>any awk/sed wizards around?
16:17<javo>chealer: that plugins working... that is what i want :D
16:17<padski>ketone, google sed faq
16:18<javo>i.e. i just installed compiz-fusion-plugins-main, but i did not see any change
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16:19<javo>how i activate them? it is needed some other package to show them working?
16:19<chealer>javo: is compiz installed?
16:20<javo>should it?
16:20<chealer>javo: you need compiz if you want to use compiz plugins.
16:20<javo>okay so compiz fusion are plugins for compiz? ok :D thanks chealer
16:20<chealer>javo: (I must say it's strange that the plugins don't depend on compiz though)
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16:21<javo>is that i tough that compiz fusion was a separated thing than compiz
16:21<chealer>javo: according to Wikipedia, yes
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16:25<amphi>javo: it's a bunch of plugins and some other enhancements to compiz
16:25<kevind23>I need to use su for something, but I need to specify the password on the same line, how would I go about doing this?
16:25<javo>thanks boys!
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16:27<javo>i think only sudo has the option to run command an password on the same line
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16:28<kevind23>javo: well doesn't sudo only ask for user password?
16:28<StyXman>hi all. how do I make xorg detect video card and monitor?
16:28<kevind23>the current user's password, that is
16:30<javo>sudo gives root privileges for a specific user to run specific commands if allowed by the root administrator
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16:31<javo>but im not sure
16:32<selfcontr0l>i have a question about "hellanzb" it has an option to start as a daemon "-d" how do i get this to run on startup prior to X
16:32<selfcontr0l>will that work as i think it will work?
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16:34<chealer>!drxx StyXman
16:34<dpkg>StyXman: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
16:34<StyXman>chealer: doesn't ask for or try to detect a video card or monitor
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16:35<chealer>StyXman: which Debian suite do you use?
16:35<StyXman>sid right now
16:35<StyXman>I will try using -plow
16:36<StyXman>no, no fun
16:37<chealer>StyXman: sid is for people experimented with Debian. you should use testing or stable.
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16:43<p33w5t3r>Somebody know how to use an .iso (cbt nugget) with vlc ? When i start the iso in vlc, vlc tells me he can't show anything because the video files ar not supported... .wmv and avi files :|
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16:44<StyXman>chealer: I am experimented with debian, 10 years now, but it doesn't work what it used to. so I'm here asking.
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16:48<chealer>StyXman: always mention you're using sid if you ask about sid here. sid's X should detect that when starting.
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16:52<Engywuck>perhaps try to mount the iso first?
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16:54<user01>if i paste my aptitude log can someone help me figure out why it appears broken?
16:54<abrotman>you can try
16:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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16:55<user01>Ganneff, yes i know i wasnt going to paste it here
16:55<chealer>user01: start by telling how it's broken.
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16:56<user01>oh wait . . . how come all the errors during aptitude install dont go in the aptitude log?
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16:58<StyXman>chealer: ok, didn't know I should mention sid here
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17:00<user01>i ran it in xterm . . . not sure how to copy and paste from there
17:00<enouf>[Announcement about ext3 FS undelete]; not sure anyone's aware, but check this out;
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17:01<user01>gnome terminal you just right mouse click
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17:01<abrotman>user01: you can use the "script" command to save output like that
17:02<user01>abrotman, so i should just run aptitude again with the script command?
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17:02<abrotman>or just copy/paste .. try middle click
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17:03<user01>/var/lib/scrollkeeper/C/scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml:3746: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document <sect categorycode="SystemServicesOther">
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17:03<user01>it has lots of lines like that
17:03<user01>not all the same
17:04<joshrulez2>im having some problems installing something with apt
17:04<Audiist>who can help configure jmicron?
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17:05<joshrulez2>Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0) but 2.12.4-2 is to be installed
17:05<joshrulez2>but it says it is the latest version if i try to update it
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17:06<user01>you know i thought the install screwed up my x-window system too when i went to google and it was all black :P
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17:07<user01>i thought generating a black screen required more energy anywat
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17:12<yoursfaithfully>Hi, does anyone know what versions of Java Eclipse is compatible with?
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17:15<yoursfaithfully>nm, got it - needed to install the Java5 JRE. I had the Java6 SDK installed, and it wasn't happy with that JVM
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17:17<joshrulez2>where can i get libc6 from? a 2.6 branch
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17:32<cjsoftuk>I'm using sid now, and I've just had to append irqpoll and pci=nomsi to my boot options to boot with the new kernel. Any ideas why? Mobo is an Asus A8V-VM
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17:32<javo>hi. im using lenny and want to install gnash from sid. is it possible? and how? thanks ppl!
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17:36<cjsoftuk>any ideas?
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17:37<dli>javo, you can try backport
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17:37<javo>what is the backport of gnash?
17:38<dli>cjsoftuk, not much hope, just try a newer kernel version to see if it's fixed
17:38<dpkg>methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
17:38<dli>javo, try simple sid backport
17:39<cjsoftuk>dli: Thanks for that, I guess I'll just compile my own kernel....
17:39<javo>ok thanks dli
17:39<dli>javo, you may have to read docs on dependency though
17:39<dpkg>somebody said gnash was a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. ...
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17:39<dli>cjsoftuk, try the newest stable from, at least
17:39<cjsoftuk>dli: I upgraded to get the new r8169 module
17:39<cjsoftuk>ok, thanks
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17:40<javo>i already read and think everything is ok to install it
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17:42<dave_>what is the repository to xfce desktop?
17:42<dli>dave_, xfce is in debian. why asking?
17:43<dpkg>somebody said xfce was a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins.
17:43<dave_>there is not
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17:43<javo>is is xfce4
17:44<dli>any reason to install xfce3?
17:44<dave_>I just installed Debian etch
17:45<dave_>I have only the base system
17:45<javo>the package name for xfce is xfce4
17:45<dave_>yes xfce4
17:45<javo>so you have to run in a console: aptitude install xfce4
17:46<javo>and you can do also aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
17:46<dave_>ok go!!!
17:46<dave_>with aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
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17:48<dave_>install it
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17:49<javo>:S flashplugin-nonfree is not in lenny
17:49<dave_>javo : thanks is installing
17:49<dli>let's support gnash
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17:50<javo>yes but i cannot install gnash from sid
17:50<dli>you can backport it
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17:50<dli>try simple sid backport
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17:50<dpkg>i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
17:51<javo>gnash in backports is 0.7.2 as is in lenny. gnash in sid is 0.8.2
17:51<dli>javo, you need 0.8.2
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17:51<dli>that's why I said "simple sid backport"
17:51<dli>!simple sid backport
17:51<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
17:51<javo>for viewing videos on youtube, it is needed
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17:52<javo>lets try
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17:53<Tha>i have qwestion: how can i disable getting ip from dhcp to static?
17:53<dli>javo, of course, dependency makes it not so simple, you may have to backport deps first
17:53<dli>Tha, depends on your dhcp client
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17:55<dave_>ready xcfe woking !
17:55<dli>Tha, if you are using the debian default (dhclient), read this wiki:
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17:56<brmuljo>The Dragon see, with seven mantles red,
17:56<brmuljo>Wielding two swords and crownèd with two crowns;
17:56<brmuljo>Great-grandchild of the faithless Turk, with Koran!
17:56<brmuljo>Behind him hordes of that accursèd breed,
17:56<brmuljo>That they may devastate the whole wide earth,
17:56<brmuljo>As locusts pestilent lay waste the fields!
17:56<brmuljo>Had not the Rock of France its onrush curbed,
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17:56<azeem>brmuljo: please keep it on topic
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17:59<Tha>dli, through install choose dhcp, but now i don't want that. and i have no X installed. just console.
18:00<dli>Tha, you want static IP? just modify your /etc/network/interfaces to static IP
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18:02<Tha>i was try that. but on reboot eth0 dosen't start
18:02<dli>Tha, no need to reboot
18:02<dli>Tha, just /etc/init.d/networking restart
18:04<Tha>dli, so if i'll restart service, on next rebool all be ok?
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18:06<dli>Tha, yes, if dhcp works now upon rebooting
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18:09<javo>how do i do step 4: install the resultant debs. ?
18:09<javo>!simple sid backports
18:09<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
18:09<dli>javo, ls *.deb, "dpkg -i foo.deb"
18:10<dli>javo, choose the ones you want, you may omit some -dev.deb
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18:13<dave_>how to get xmms
18:13<javo>aptitude install xmms ?
18:13<javo>is not that command ?
18:14<dpkg>somebody said xmms was the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see For alternatives, look at xmms2, rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet ...
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18:16<dli>dave_, also, try audacious
18:16<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, audacious is an audio player forked from Beep Media Player #audacious @
18:17<dave_>ok, then one for mp3 and others, good
18:17<javo>it seems i cannot install gnash 0.8.2 because of dependencies with kdelibs from kde 3.5.9 so i have to wait
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18:18<dave_>well i gonna try with xmms2
18:18<javo>gnash 0.7.2 does not work for me :( i couldnt never see any sfw file yet
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18:19<javo>i dont understand why gnash depends on kdelibs since gnash is developed by gnu people
18:20<dave_>well the audio players later :), some one know about amsn too
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18:20<javo>amule does not work well... is heavy.. at least for me
18:21<javo>so im using torrents downloads
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18:23<dave_>After install debian time is not good, to say this is backward
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18:26<dave_>how to actual the time
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18:30<dpkg>[ntp] the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See or for more information.
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18:35<Tha>dli, through network restart i get message: failed bring up eth0
18:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:36<dli>Tha, pastebin your interfaces file, could be a mistake there
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18:37<Guest3007>hello guys.. i trying to install limewire basic on my computer and i get this error.
18:37<Tha>now i'm on pda, so copy-paste is unreal now
18:38<Guest3007>can i know what packages i need from sun java to solve this problem?
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18:39<dli>Tha, if you have static IP, use "ifconfig eth0 netmask" to bring it up
18:39<dli>Tha, of course, use your own IP and netmask
18:40<javo>it says you dont have installed the java virtual machine
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18:40<javo>so you can install it or try a different software
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18:41<ia64>javo, yes. but i like this limewire. i went to and find out so many packages there, i don't know which one it is that i need..
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18:41<Tha>dli, in this case it up, but on restart network script - same error
18:41<javo>so install java packages
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18:43<ia64>really confused by all those packages in though if anybody would know whick package that i need... anyway, thanks for help.. i go try some first.. :)
18:43<javo>ia64: aptitude install sun-java6
18:43<dli>Tha, you can pastebin the file when network is up
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18:44<dli>ia64, sun is slowly opening up :(
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18:44<dli>!tell ia64 about ask
18:44<javo>ia64: or if you have debian etch, aptitude install sun-java5
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18:48<HetaUma>I'm just installing debian from netinstall. I wasn't asked for which graphical interface I like just if I want grafix or not
18:49<HetaUma>what's the default window manager?
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18:50<Tha>dli, in /etc/network/interfaces what in first line about eth0? (for lo its auto)
18:50<ifvoid>HetaUma: gnome with metacity, I think
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18:50<HetaUma>ifvoid: ok ty
18:50<ifvoid>HetaUma: but of course, you can install anything you like
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18:51<HetaUma>yeap :D
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18:52<Tha>HetaUma, gnome is installing by default if no changes were dure insallation process
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18:58<dli>Tha, "man interfaces"
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19:02<Tha>dli, sorry, now i cant read man, i'm on pda with vnc to cpu that vnc to another cpu which run vmware server with debian base install :( and i can't install nothing without eth0
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19:03<dli>Tha, use ifconfig to bring it
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19:08<Tha>dla, ok, thanks, (went to read mans through keyhole)
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19:20<LaicepS>Hi everyone.
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19:31<hvr>Hi my PCMCIA card slot is not listed by lspci or lshw. pcmcia-ca is loaded as kernel module. What can be also wrong ?
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19:39<dli>hvr, is it enabled in bios?
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19:41<hvr>dli, im on a ibook (with no bios). I thought perhaps acpi causes some problems?! How can I find out the acpi status ?
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19:43<dli>hvr, no idea then, I have no experience with ibook
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19:45<hvr>dli, am I correct that the pcmcia slot should be listed also if no card is plugged in?
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19:46<dli>hvr, I don't ibook, again, but on my laptop, I have 00:0a.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01)
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19:48<dli>hvr, maybe, you can enable disable by /proc or /sys systems
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20:00<edwardxp>thanks you room!
20:00<edwardxp>/var/backups is what i needed for my deleted /etc/group
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20:14<gRr>i'm starting apt-mirrot with cron script. how can i shedule to stop it?
20:15<gRr>should i start it as root or as "apt-mirror"user?
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20:21<Gekz>I've changed the root device of my debian from sdb8 to sda5
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20:21<Gekz>and now when I boot I get resume: Could not stat the resume device file '/dev/sdb8' Please type in the full path name to try again or press ENTER to boot the systme
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20:24<lucas_amorim>hello, I just got a new machine that has got an itel gma950 integrated videocard.. The intel driver that comes with debian didn't work.. xorg could not even be started. I am using vesa, but i would like to intel's driver so I will get full feature. What should i do?
20:24<lucas_amorim>Is this xorg driver the same that is available from intel's website?
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20:33<lucas_amorim>someone help me please
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20:35<craigevil>lucas_amorim: xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver "should" work
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20:37<abrotman>craigevil: he's on etch
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20:38<craigevil>hehe crap i always forget most people run stable
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20:39<lucas_amorim>thats what i tried...
20:39<lucas_amorim>craigevil: this is already installed
20:40<lucas_amorim>should i insert "i810" instead of "intel" in the driver field of xorg.conf?
20:40<lucas_amorim>craigevil: I sam someone's xorg.conf in google and he has the same gma950
20:41<lucas_amorim>he was using i810
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20:42<lucas_amorim>I am gonna try, be right back
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20:45<hikenboot>greetings all is there a ssh server gui that can be gotten for debian that will work with xfce?
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20:48<lucas_amorim>craigevil: I am back. Actully i think the intel driver is working. But my monitor is complaning about "Mode not supported" and i cant see everything. but at leas I herd the gdm bip
20:49<lucas_amorim>its an LCD 17" AOC
20:49<lucas_amorim>least* and heard*
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20:53<lucas_amorim>What should i do?
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20:55<eyesofsaintlylust>Secret Stasi pornographic films found
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21:00<lucas_amorim>craigevil: I have just plugged in a CRT monitor, it worked...
21:00<lucas_amorim>thats weird
21:00<lucas_amorim>how do I make the intel driver work with an lcd??
21:00<abrotman>eyesofsaintlylust: stop spamming
21:00<eyesofsaintlylust>abrotman, sorry wrong channel
21:00<eyesofsaintlylust>abrotman, wasn't spam tho
21:01<abrotman>it is in this channel
21:01<alexfull>there are three dvds to download, is the first one enough to install debian?
21:01<alexfull>does the other ones have something important i shouldnt miss?
21:02<lucas_amorim>alexfull: the other 2 contain additional packages.. but you will be able to download them via apt-get as you need
21:02<lucas_amorim>dont worry
21:02<lucas_amorim>You wont even install everything which is in the first... ;)
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21:02<alexfull>ok, thanks
21:02<lucas_amorim>best thing is to download the ackages via apt-get as far as you need them
21:03<alexfull>what about the cds, is the first one enough to install debian?
21:03<lucas_amorim>yes, but maybe you will need to download more stuff
21:04<lucas_amorim>the packages in the cds are added in popularity order
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21:04<lucas_amorim>then the last cd contain packages that are not so popular as the packages in the first cd
21:05<gRr>you even enough netinstall cd. but al you choosl will install from network
21:05<lucas_amorim>if yopu have a fast broadband conection, just get the first cd
21:05<alexfull>so the first dvd should be enough to install a fairly complete system, is that it?
21:06<stroyan>lucas_amorim: You probably need to set a HorizSync and VertRefresh range in the "Monitor" section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf. See "man xorg.conf" and your LCD manual.
21:06<abrotman>!cd contents
21:06<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
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21:08<stroyan>lucas_amorim: Or skip the manual part and just google for a combination of you LCD monitor model number and VertRefresh.
21:09<lucas_amorim>atroyan: another thing.. I just installed google earth, and when i started it, gdm crashed
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21:09<lucas_amorim>i mean, the x server crashed
21:09<lucas_amorim>it, restarted
21:09<lucas_amorim>what would that be? wont i get 3d applications runnig with this driver?
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21:11<stroyan>lucas_amorim: That sure sounds like a driver bug tickled by a google earth use pattern. That may have to wait for a newer driver version to get better.
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21:14<stroyan>lucas_amorim: I presume that X server crash was with the intel driver and not the vesa driver. If it _was_ vesa, then don't worry about it until you are using the intel driver.
21:15<stroyan>lucas_amorim: Those intel chipsets often have a configurable amount of RAM for video in the BIOS. Changing that RAM setting may avoid a bug in a texture heavy app like google earth.
21:16<lontra>hi is there any reason why i wouldn't be able to connect to an apple airport that's encrypted with WEP or WPA2 Personal with network-manager but i can connect to that same network when it's unencrypted? (and yes i know the password)
21:17<stroyan>lontra: Some wifi hardware doesn't support WEP or WPA under linux. Details matter.
21:17<lucas_amorim>stroyan, no it was intel
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21:17<lontra>stroyan: ok ... so maybe it's ndiswrapper fault?
21:18<lucas_amorim>stroyan: I will try to give it more memory in th bios to see what i get :)
21:19<stroyan>lontra: Maybe. I don't play with ndiswrapper drivers myself. But detail about the hardware model and driver may matter to someone else here.
21:19<lontra>stroyan: thanks ... it's a dell 1390 *supposedly* use the b43 chip ...
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21:20<stroyan>lontra: You can see much about the actual hardware with a simple lspci command.
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21:24<lontra>oh well
21:27<stroyan>lontra: There is a success story about b43 at
21:27<lucas_amorim>stroyan: I will try to give it more memory in th bios to see what i get :)
21:27<stroyan>lucas_amorim: good luck
21:27<lucas_amorim>thanks :)
21:27<lucas_amorim>thank you for the help
21:28<stroyan>You are welcom.
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21:29<lontra>stroyan: thanks maybe i'll try b43 again ...
21:30*lontra goes to experiment
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21:52<kamaraju>I am using jigdo to download the first CD image of Debian testing. I am downloading it to say /dir1. If I do "du -cs /dir1" it always shows the disk usage is around 660 MB. But the jigdo programme is still downloading the packages. What is the reason behind this?
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21:56<peech>kamabatoon: the point of jigdo is to update packages of a cd so the size of the entire cd wont change much
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21:57<peech>for a release like testing that does not make much sense, because the packages get updated quite often
21:58<peech>jigdo is useful when you go with the first stable release and go with the following point updates
22:00<bma>kamaraju, I think that it's because jigdo creates a 660MB file with no data in it, then fills it up as it downloads.
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22:00<sebas>algún buen samaritano por estos lados??
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22:04<kamaraju>peech: But I am doing this for the first time
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22:05<tj_>ello ello
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22:10<jonas>suck cock
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22:10<avu>creative 8)
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22:18<bebin>when trying to download using wget it gives error message Error parsing proxy URL http://:8080/: Invalid host name what could be the problem
22:18<Aleric>How can I see the modification time of an inode?
22:19<amphi>bebin: the complete lack of server? ;)
22:19<bebin>amphi: how can i fix it
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22:21<Engywuck>man wget
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22:21<amphi>use the ip address or hostname of the proxy server
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22:21<Engywuck>or do you have PROXY set?
22:23<bebin>amphi: how to configure NetworkProxy
22:24<amphi>for the shell? export HTTP_PROXY= IIRC
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22:39<nicodarious>so what is better for hardware support? stable or testing? could anyone tell me in plain English without going too overboard by any chance?
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22:40<dondelelcaro>testing, but for most things stable is just as good
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22:48<madman>hello folks
22:49<kurumin>first time in this irc, someon can help me?
22:50<madman>what is the problem
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22:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
22:51<kurumin>i would like to enter a room in Brazil or USA
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22:51<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:52<ranix>I don't know what you mean by a room in usa
22:52<ranix>this is the dominantly english-speaking Debian channel
22:52<ranix>we have english-speakers from all over the world here and it would be rude to claim most of us are American
22:52<kurumin>ok, sorry
22:53<kurumin>i didn't mean to be rude
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22:53<ranix>I didn't mean to call you rude
22:53<kurumin>where are you from?
22:53<ranix>I'm from the eastern US
22:54<kurumin>nice, rsss
22:54<kurumin>what city?
22:54<abrotman>dli: !ot ?
22:55<dli>abrotman, hi
22:55<yungyuc>I need advices: I want to install debian on a server with 1TB RAID01, would it be too large to have the block size set as 64k?
22:55<abrotman>what are you putting on it ?
22:55<dli>yungyuc, doesn't hurt, except wasting space
22:56<yungyuc>hmm, no, I don't want to waste
22:56<yungyuc>that volume will hold system currently
22:57<yungyuc>s/currently/in my current plan/
22:57<dli>yungyuc, each file wastes half block, if you use it for huge files, it saves by using large block size
22:57<yungyuc>the usual block size is 4k on most of my system
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22:58<yungyuc>but I saw an option for block size in the raid controller's bios
23:02<ranix>why raid 01?
23:02<ranix>isn't raid5 better in all ways
23:02<yungyuc>raid01 would be faster
23:02<yungyuc>for writing
23:03<abrotman>not for writing
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23:03<abrotman>not likely ..
23:03<ranix>I can think of situations it would be faster in all respects
23:03<ranix>and it is simpler
23:03<ranix>whenever you need redundancy you also need simplicity
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23:04<yungyuc>abrotman: really? I know raid0 will be faster than raid5, since the latter has overhead with xor
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23:05<ranix>if you have four drives, two pairs of raid0 in a raid1
23:05<ranix>you could have had one raid5, four drives striped with parity
23:05<yungyuc>abrotman: so does rail0+1 have writing performance penalty with RAID mirroring?
23:05<dpkg>it has been said that raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>,
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23:14<dave_>what i need to install beryl?
23:15<dli>dave_, beryl is deprecated, use compiz-fusion instead
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23:20<dave_>dli, good how to begin!!
23:23<amphi>dave_: c-f is in the testing branch, if you're using that
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23:24<tbrock>hey guys do you know what user wordpress uses to write to files
23:24<tbrock>i know this isn't the right place to ask
23:27<dave_>amphi, how do you say?
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23:27<amphi>someone set up us the bomb
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23:39<abrotman>amphi: what you say?
23:40<dave_>go on with compiz-fusion
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23:42<amphi>dave_: what version of debian are you running?
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23:45<amphi>there are no official packages for etch, and even if you install the unofficial ones, etch's python-gtk is too old for the fancy configurator, so you will be reduced to unhappy blundering in gconf-editor
23:46<amphi>unless there is a backport of python-gtk
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23:55<EggsBaconSausagesAndPancakes>Get away from me dave_!
23:58<dave_>DarkGhost, what you say
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