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00:02*phillipsjk got tired of running to other room to configure a machine, so installed openssh-server on it.
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00:05<imperia>how do i make dhcpd to update dhcpd.leases with address that have fixed ip set by dhcpd.conf with fixed-address option?
00:07<phillipsjk>imperia: I think the lease is only updated when the client asks for it.
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00:08<imperia>phillipsjk: yes. i did ipconfig /release and then ipconfig /renew
00:08<twb>phillipsjk: you can tell the server to only provide short leases (e.g. one hour instead of one day).
00:08<sime>hi, i cannot find xkill with apt-cache search...has it been removed from debian
00:08<twb>!apt-file search bin/xkill
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00:11<imperia>i got one windows box .. w2k8 which has fixed ip set in dhcpd.conf with fixed-address option. if i release its lease its not removed from the DNS because the entry does not exist in dhcpd.leases... if i remove that host from dhcpd.conf. it works.. dhcpd can delete the host from dns ..because it finds it in dhcpd.leases.. but with fixed-address it does not work
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00:12<twb>sime: x11-utils or xbase-clients
00:12<imperia>the result is "client updating zone 'gamefreak/IN': update unsuccessful: W2K8.gamefreak: 'name not in use' prerequisite not satisfied (YXDOMAIN)" in syslog
00:12<sime>twb, thx a lot
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00:13<twb>imperia: sounds like the client is trying to request a hostname that's already in DNS
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00:14<imperia>twb: true. because dhcpd does not remove it from DNS when ipconfig /release is done, because it does not find it in dhcpd.leases
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00:15<imperia>twb: DHCPRELEASE of from 00:13:8f:ef:b3:34 via br0 (not found) <=- not in lease file
00:15*twb shrugs
00:15<imperia>twb: DHCPRELEASE of from 00:13:8f:ef:b3:34 (W2K8) via br0 (found) <=- found... and deleted from DNS
00:15<imperia>very annoying :(
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00:29<dmind>IDENTIFY a
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00:48<acu>I want to setup a /var/www on a different physical partition - is it better to do it this way or to create a lvm (or how is that called) ?
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00:53<rrm>hi room... got a quiick questions... what files i need to get the sound working? i do not want to install gnome under etch
00:54<rrm>only that?
00:54<avtobiff>and a kernel module for your sound card
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00:54<rrm>alsa base installed now how do i install the kernel module
00:54<rrm>i got an ibm r51
00:55<avtobiff>i would have searched the web for "ibm r51 linux"
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00:55<avtobiff>and i bet it will give some useful hits.
00:55<rrm>i did
00:55<twb>rrm: which kernel module?
00:55<rrm>but most of them showed while already gnome is installed
00:55<avtobiff>modprobe module anyway
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00:57<avtobiff>rrm, what are you talking about? the first hit from the gentoo forums clearly states "Works with the ALSA intel8x0 driver."
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00:57<rrm>ok... i did an etch minimal install skipped the mirrors and all that... installed xorg and fluxbox
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00:58<avtobiff>rrm, nothing about showing after gnome, what you mean by that i dont know.
00:58<avtobiff>rrm, any way i think it is snd_intel_8x0 or something similar
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00:59<rrm>avt i am new to linux... i got the apt-get how to use, and few others... but i do not want a gloat on the pc... fluxbox, x and some apps are fine for me... but gnome has some features i would want... but i want to go around that
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00:59<avtobiff>rrm, find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -type f -name "*intel*"
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01:00<avtobiff>rrm, with this you search for the name of files, that are *intel*
01:00<twb>rrm: you need to be more clear about what you are trying to do.
01:00<avtobiff>rrm, i found it here. intel 8x0 sound module: snd-intel8x0
01:00<avtobiff>rrm, just modprobe it
01:00<rrm>i can not do modprobe
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01:01<rrm>says it does not work
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01:01<rrm>ok got it to work but when i type the modprobe nothing happens
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01:02<avtobiff>rrm, you have to be root
01:02<avtobiff>rrm, or use sudo
01:02<rrm>and i am
01:02<rrm>i usse debian
01:02<avtobiff>rrm, did the search give anything?
01:02<alaya>!tell rrm about alssa
01:02<alaya>!tell rrm about alsa
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01:03<twb>!smart questions
01:03<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts.
01:04<bojanr>Hey #debian, how do I get a Firewire iPod to be seen as a mountable disk in Debian?
01:04<twb>rrm: please read that document.
01:04<twb>bojanr: is the sbp2 kernel module loaded?
01:04<bojanr>twb: I don't know, not sure.
01:04<twb>bojanr: ask lsmod
01:04<twb>bojanr: do you need an explanation of how to do that?
01:04<bojanr>Was not, lsmod says firewire_ohci was loaded, sbp2 is all set.
01:05<bojanr>twb: No, I'm good, just loaded sbp2.
01:05<twb>OK, once sbp2 is loaded, plug it in and look at dmesg and/or /proc/partitions
01:05<yitz>Question: Session Startup Programs. How do I remove/delete an item? If its one of the original items, if I delete it and reopen the sessions thing its there. If I disable, it still seems to run.
01:05<twb>It should be about the same from then as for a usb-storage HDD
01:05<yitz>(I'm trying to kill off gnome-volume-manager)
01:06<twb>bojanr: remember to umount the filesystem and eject the device to cleanly disconnect.
01:06<bojanr>Nope, nothing doing.
01:06<bojanr>I modprobe ohci1394, then sbp2, then unplugged it and plugged it back in, and got nothing.
01:06<bojanr>Charges, but doesn't show up in /proc/partitions or dmesg.
01:06<twb>bojanr: I don't know, sorry.
01:06<bojanr>Thanks for your help anyways. :)
01:06<twb>bojanr: charging will happen regardless of the kernel being able to "see" the device at all
01:06<rrm>ok got it working...
01:07<twb>bojanr: the next step is to see if you can access it as a "raw" device; then sbp2 is an extra "layer" on top of that.
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01:08<bojanr>Okay, got it.
01:08<bojanr>Let me look under /proc/bus or something like it.
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01:09<Supaplex>\o/ for 32mb bizcard iso
01:09<Supaplex>that and cdrw media :)
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01:11<yitz>How do I prevent gnome-volume-manager from starting up with my session?
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01:12*Supaplex cusses out this acpi=off machine
01:13<rrm>ok got it working...
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01:14<twb>Supaplex: bah, mini.iso
01:14<twb>It's like 8MB
01:14<Supaplex>it didn't boot. I think this media drive is b0rked
01:15<Supaplex>and my qemu test was wrong :P
01:15<Supaplex>but yea. I tried mini.iso hehe
01:15<Supaplex>it mighta worked if I let it reboot a few times
01:18<yitz>Hello. Anyone know how to prevent stuff from starting when you log in?
01:18<yitz>Oh :(
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01:19<Supaplex>like what stuff?
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01:21<yitz>In the menu system (Desktop->Prefs->Sessions->Startup) it has it listed. It was placed there when the user was created. However, if I delete the item, close and reopen the Sessions, its back
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01:23<yitz>Could it be reading the session programs from some /etc file that I don't have write access to?
01:24<twb>Don't you have to tell gnome to "save session" before logging out?
01:24<twb>ISTR doing that around about GNOME 1.2
01:24<twb>Or maybe it was KDE; I don't use DEs very often
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01:25<Supaplex>session data belongs in ${HOME}/ someplace.
01:25<yitz>I open the session startup window, select item, click delete. The item disappears from the list. I see no "save" button. I close sessions and reopen. Go back to startup tab. Item is back on the list
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01:26<Supaplex>what release of debian is this?
01:26<Supaplex>and yes, you just said that said that said that
01:26<yitz>Um. How do I check release? Its got all the latest stable updates
01:27<jm_>!debian version
01:27<dpkg>To determine which version of debian you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "lenny/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>.
01:27<Supaplex>dpkg -l libc6 | grep libc
01:27<dpkg>No packages found matching libc6 | grep libc
01:27<yitz>libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5
01:28<Supaplex>okay. etch
01:28<Supaplex>you're not using any testing/unstable packages right? either way, see for reports of similar behaivor
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01:29<yitz>No testing/unstable stuff. Some backports (eg Pidgin) but nothing that ought to mess around with core stuff
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01:29<yitz>For now I changed the permissions on gnome-volume-manager to non-executable
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01:33<yitz>I don't see my bug listed there
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01:35<Supaplex>yitz: try adding a new user to your system to test this. if you can replicate the problem on clean slate, it will help isolate the issue down pretty far. reportbug on whatever gnome-volume-manager is in, and let the maintainer(s) know what you ran into.
01:35<Supaplex>optionally remove it after, and kindly ask for the bug to be moved where it best belongs if you're not sure gnome-volume-manager is the best choice.
01:35<myownshadow>i m updatin my system but gnome update manager always alerting about e2fsprogs and initscripts updates. how can i prevent this ?
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01:36<yitz>I'm pretty sure it's a gnome-session bug
01:36<jm_>by making sure they get upgraded
01:37<myownshadow>yeap they are upgraded but however it continues to alert
01:37<yitz>nvm. I know my issue is a gnome-session bug. I get it with the bluetooth app as well. And I get it on a user that's pretty clean slate
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01:38<jm_>verify what apt-cache policy says for them
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01:39<philip>im newbie in debian distro and im trying to update but i got this error
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01:40<myownshadow> sudo apt-get install initscripts
01:40<myownshadow>Reading package lists... Done
01:40<myownshadow>Building dependency tree... Done
01:40<myownshadow>The following packages will be upgraded:
01:40<myownshadow> initscripts
01:40<myownshadow>1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
01:40<myownshadow>Need to get 0B/59,0kB of archives.
01:40<philip>Reading package lists... Done W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: B5D0C804ADB11277 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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01:41<twb>dpkg must be ill.
01:41<philip>did i miss something?
01:41<twb>!apt-key one-liner
01:41<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys one-liner ; gpg --export one-liner | sudo apt-key add -
01:41<twb>philip: basically you've added a sources.list entry that proves its identity using a key that you haven't explicitly trusted yet.
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01:42<twb>philip: if you trust that they key belongs to the person it claims to belong to, you apt-key add that key, and apt-get will thereafter trust all packages signed with that key as "not malware"
01:42<philip>ahh so what key exactly should i input or a command line to add in my source.list
01:42<twb>philip: see the line from dpkg above.
01:42<twb>philip: I stress that this should ONLY be done if you trust the key.
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01:43<chandu>While booting I am getting the following error
01:43<chandu>ata2.01: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4) ata2: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs
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01:43<philip>twb so im going to execute the command that dpkg showed?
01:44<chandu>Its delaying for 1 oe 2 min and then continuing the booting
01:44<twb>philip: yes, but with the magic hex string you mentioned, rather than "one-liner"
01:44<twb>chandu: did you JFGI?
01:44<chandu>what may be the problem
01:44<chandu>chandu, JFGI ? what is that
01:44<chandu>twb, JFGI, what is that
01:44<dpkg>jfgi is, like, just fucking google it
01:45<twb>chandu: that's the first step
01:45<chandu>twb, yes I did google search ..I didnt get any solution there
01:45<twb>I've never seen it before, so I can't help.
01:45<chandu>twb, ok
01:45<chandu>twb, its ok
01:45<philip>twb i tried but it did not work, i just a newbie and following a guide lines from the installations just to learn
01:46<philip>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys one-liner ; gpg --export one-liner | sudo apt-key add -
01:46<philip>that did not work
01:46<twb>philip: you need to replace one-liner with the magic key
01:46<twb>16:40 <philip> Reading package lists... Done W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: B5D0C804ADB11277 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
01:46<philip>magic key? im not familiar
01:47<twb>philip: do you understand that you're telling apt to trust the key? You're telling apt that anything signed by that key is safe to install.
01:47<philip>ok i tried 3 time apt-get update but same error
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01:47<twb>It's a warning, not an error.
01:47<twb>The magic key is "B5D0C804ADB11277".
01:48<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: someone owes you another beer over that topic that stays ;) (not me)
01:48<twb>philip: if you try to install a package from the new sources.list repo, apt-get will say "I don't trust the key B5D0C804ADB11277, please confirm that you really want to install untrusted software."
01:48<twb>Supaplex: hmm?
01:48<philip>ic now i get it
01:49<philip>wait let me try again
01:49<Supaplex>twb: I don't recall who, but someone was trying to talk <ops> into removing the "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key" bit from the
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01:50<Supaplex>+ topic
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01:51<twb>Supaplex: oops, I should have pointed philip at that?
01:51<yitz>gnome-session bug file filed
01:51<twb>Should dpkg's (currently void) apt-key entry be a symlink to "no public key"?
01:52<twb>See? Nothing.
01:52<Supaplex>dpkg: apt-key is <reply> see <no public key>
01:52<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys is <reply> see <no public key> ; gpg --export is <reply> see <no public key> | sudo apt-key add -
01:52<yitz>Good night
01:52<Supaplex>!apt-key foo
01:52<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys foo ; gpg --export foo | sudo apt-key add -
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01:54<yitz>Once I'm here, does anyone know what command(s) gets executed when I click the logout and/or shutdown button in GDM?
01:54<twb>Another user is telling me that iceweasel 3 binaries are in experimental. I can't see them; can someone confirm?
01:55<twb>yitz: it's probably configurable in /etc/gdm or /usr/share/gdm
01:55<jm_>twb: it is, but just for amd64
01:55<twb>jm_: ah.
01:55<philip>twb same thing shows
01:56<philip>Reading package lists... Done W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: B5D0C804ADB11277 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
01:56<philip>is this correct? what will happen if i will bypass this one
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01:57<philip>did i get the updates correctly?
01:57<Supaplex>HAHAHA man I'm silly. I had to firewall my workstation from the nfs box I was trying to fix. 1h later I forget about it, and discover my own firewall rule. :P oops hahaa
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01:58<twb>philip: if you ignore that *warning*, then apt-get installing packages from that repo will require an extra confirmation step.
01:58<twb>philip: since you seem to be new to Debian, I suggest you just leave apt-key alone.
01:59<jm_>read this
01:59<acu>hey guys, I want to setup a webserver, ftp server and email server in one box - should I setup lvm for each /var/www /var/mail var/ftp ?
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01:59<twb>jm_: thank you.
01:59<philip>ok so if your in my case how will you resolve this one with the apt-key even for a good command or any
01:59<twb>philip: listen to jm_, he knows better than me
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02:00<Supaplex>!apt-key B5D0C804ADB11277
02:00<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys B5D0C804ADB11277 ; gpg --export B5D0C804ADB11277 | sudo apt-key add -
02:00<Supaplex>philip: if you trust that repo, and that key, run that
02:00<philip>twb no prob with that ill check coz for a newbie i got lots or question thas y
02:00<jm_>that's etch stable key - add it with apt-key add and run apt-get update
02:01<philip>ok wait i'll try
02:01<yitz>Bleh. /usr/share/gmd/ has a config line saying it uses /usr/sbin/shutdown . How's GDM have elevated permissions? I thought only root got access to sbin?
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02:02<jm_>gdm runs as root
02:02<Supaplex>root usually has it in the path, but other users can run some things, like ifconfig with lesser features
02:03<philip>is this already correct?
02:03<yitz>Is there a GDM wrapper a normal user can use from the command line to invoke the shutdown? I tried running it (full path) and shutdown says it requires root
02:04<philip>gpg: requesting key ADB11277 from hkp server gpg: key ADB11277: "Etch Stable Release Key <>" not changed gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: unchanged: 1 gpg: WARNING: nothing exported gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
02:04<twb>yitz: gdm runs as root
02:04<twb>yitz: that's why it can invoke shutdown without asking for a root password
02:04<twb>(IMO, it should ask for a root password, anyway)
02:04<jm_>yitz: uhm man shutdown, read about shutdown.allow
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02:06<dirge>anyone know if there's a driver for an ati radeon integrated x1200 video card? been searching for hours now and the best solution i found is the fglrx driver, which doesn't seem to work for my card. i'm running etch.
02:06<yitz> @jm_ thanks
02:07<twb>dirge: did you try the r300 driver?
02:07<twb>I forget what it's called, but I believe it's in Lenny.
02:07<twb>It used to be at
02:07<dirge>will a lenny package work for etch?
02:08<jm_>dirge: no
02:08<dirge>didn't think so
02:09<yitz>Ff GDM lets the user tell it to invoke shutdown via the GUI, is there a gnome-command that the button triggers?
02:10<dirge>desktop > shutdown?
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02:10<yitz>Erm, command, as in something I can type from the terminal
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02:11<yitz>shutdown will not work for normal users
02:11<yitz>You need to ask GDM to execute shutdown for you somehow
02:11<jm_>yitz: no, see defaults.conf file where it lists commands
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02:12<dirge>no one knows of a driver for my video card then?
02:13<yitz>But it runs those for you. A normal user can click shutdown in GDM and GDM will trigger /sbin/shutdown where the normal user will be denied if he tried running /sbin/shutdown himself.
02:13<jm_>unless they are specified in shutdown.allow
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02:14<yitz>So you can make shutdown work by adding the user to shutdown.allow. But I'm still wondering how to do without
02:14<yitz>Anyhow. I need to go to bed...
02:14<yitz>Via Gnome!
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02:15<jm_>gksu - graphical frontend to su
02:15<yitz>If there is a graphical shutdown button that doesn't require shutdown.allow, gksu or sudo, there is a command that a user can execute to shutdown the system without using any of the above besides gnome
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02:16<Supaplex>hey is for horses, we will feed you later
02:16<jm_>no idea, there's wmshutdown and kshutdown, or simply install acpid and let users press power button
02:18<yitz>No gshutdown... And /etc/shutdown.allow doesn't seem to be allowing me to execute /sbin/shutdown -a
02:18<yitz>$ /sbin/shutdown -a -h -P 180
02:18<yitz>shutdown: you must be root to do that!
02:19<yitz>$ cat /etc/shutdown.allow
02:19<jm_>I remember it worked for me for ctrl-alt-del, but I don't remember if it works for manual exectuion - perhaps that's why I use sudo shutdown instead
02:19*yitz will just continue using sudo, too
02:19<jm_>wmshutdown shall work too
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02:20<Supaplex>yitz: run 'w'. are you listed?
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02:20<yitz>Yes, I'm listed.
02:20<yitz>You're thinking I'm not logged in as me?
02:20<yitz>wmshutdown not found on path
02:20<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
02:20<Supaplex>maybe /sbin/shutdown has to be suid root...
02:21<yitz>:blush: oops.
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02:22<philip>hello guys thanks for the help it resolve my problem earlier and apt-get update is properly working now
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02:24<Supaplex>nope. I'm wrong yitz. let me test more.
02:24<Slydder>morning all
02:25<Slydder>why doesn't the following if statement work correctly? it should execute if one file or the other is not present and not empty. if [ test ! -s $OCS_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR/ocsinventory-cert.pem -o ! -s $OCS_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR/ocsinventory-key.pem ] ; then. it keeps telling me I have too many arguments
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02:25<yitz>kill "test"
02:25<yitz>"test" and "[" are the same
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02:26<yitz>wmShutdown would just be another app that runs shutdown for you as a root user, I guess. A graphical sudo, if you will. But, like GDM (so far), it can only be ran via the GUI. No running it from the term.
02:26<yitz>if [ ! -s $OCS_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR/ocsinventory-cert.pem -o ! -s $OCS_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR/ocsinventory-key.pem ] ; then
02:26<Slydder>ok. thanks.
02:26<yitz>What's -s?
02:26<yitz>I use -e and -f
02:26<seanius>nonzero silze file
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02:27<Slydder>-s is the file is there and more than zero in size
02:27<twb>yitz: if you want to allow absolutely anyone to shutdown your system, you could just make /sbin/shutdown set-uid.
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02:27<Slydder>-e is just the file is there
02:27<twb>Slydder: ask #bash
02:28<jm_>probably need () arround each or-ed expression
02:28<yitz>I don't think so
02:28<yitz>Though if I'm not mistaken, if only allows a single or. You can't test 3 files
02:28<jm_>that would be extremely lame
02:29<twb>Slydder: you aren't quoting the variable adequately.
02:29<yitz>I know. But I've had to deal with it I think. But test before taking my word
02:29<Slydder>that's what I'm thinking.
02:29<Slydder>changed the brackets to () and still getting the same error
02:29<yitz>Good point. I fail to quote stuff and its not good
02:30<twb>Slydder: that's wrong.
02:30<yitz>if [ ! -s "$OCS_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR/ocsinventory-cert.pem" -o ! -s "$OCS_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR/ocsinventory-key.pem" ] ; then
02:30<twb>Slydder: please ask #bash on Freenode, this is what they do ALL DAY
02:30<jm_>not changing the brackets, adding them
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02:30<Slydder>there is actually a bash channel? omfg. lol
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02:31<yitz>I wish I knew earlier...
02:32<Slydder>I've been using freenode for years and never realized myself. lol
02:32<twb>Beware that they often have little patience.
02:32<Slydder>don't worry. I'm used to that attitude. I use qmail and am a member of the mailing list. ;)
02:33<yitz>Ugh. Not newbie friendly :(
02:33<yitz>Anyhow. Thanks, everyone, for your time, patience and wisdom! Good night.
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02:33<philip>twb thnks its working now
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02:34<philip>jm_ thank you
02:34<jm_>no worries
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02:40<twb>jm_: do you know if the latest whizz-bang version of xulrunner (1.9?) is in experimental/amd64 also?
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02:53<jm_>twb: doesn't seem to be
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02:57<twb>jm_: fair enough.
02:57<twb>I hear conkeror is xulrunner-based (not firefox-based) now.
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02:59<jm_>looks similar to that gecko based browser written by some feller from Japan
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03:04<twb>AIUI xulrunner basically is firefox without the default interface.
03:06<twb>I understand why the ion3 and firefox developers need a slap, but is there a page that I can point others at explaining why Debian's idea of a stable package shouldn't be identical to upstream's?
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03:17<alaya>konqueror is based on khtml, related to safari
03:17<jm_>this is conkeror, not koneuqror
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03:20<alaya>hmm. E: No packages found
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03:35<alaya>not very well documented. i checked out the git. see and but not even a README
03:36<jm_>hehe ther's a wiki
03:36<alaya>that's how i found out about the git. but no further instructions
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03:37<alaya>they talk about "copy xulrunner-stub" but that doesn't seem right if i have the xulrunner .deb installed already
03:37<alaya>or maybe it requires the xulrunner source to build? ah
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03:43<motalus-organixc>hey, i'm trying to write a bash script and am not sure how to negate a statement, i'm trying to cd into all the directories in the current directory and if there is not a file named guitar.ogg, link a file to this directory from one folder back, but right now i cant even test anything because it says "echo" is not a recognized comand
03:43<dpkg>well, abs is a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on,
03:44<motalus-organixc>my script so far is for x in $PWD; if [![ -f = "guitar.ogg" ]]; ln -s ../tutorial/guitar.ogg ./
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03:45<motalus-organixc>jm_: checking the site
03:45<motalus-organixc>my script so far is for x in $PWD; if [![ -f = "guitar.ogg" ]]; ln -s ../tutorial/guitar.ogg ./
03:45<jm_>that is incorrect
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03:46<motalus-organixc>all the tutorial sites say echo "something", should not be an error however, which is keeping me from debuging
03:46<jm_>how did you write echo?
03:46<twb>motalus-organixc: you need spaces after and before square brackets.
03:47<twb>motalus-organixc: oh sorry, you might be using a bashism there.
03:47<alaya>for i in */; do cd "$i" &&
03:47<motalus-organixc>jm_: echo "anything"
03:47<jm_>motalus-organixc: how does your script start?
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03:48<twb>motalus-organixc: why not just try to create the symlink? If there's already a file there, ln will just exit with a non-zero status.
03:49<Phoenix_the_II>anyone perhaps knows how to start services on a XP/Vista box with linux? :P
03:49<motalus-organixc>twb: cool, didn't know that one
03:49<jm_>motalus-organixc: echo is a shell built-in, I don't see how it can posibly say that
03:49<twb>jm_: echo is not necessarily a shell built in, but it is built into bash.
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03:50<twb>motalus-organixc: you should probably talk to #bash on Freenode about bash scripting, since they are better at it than #debian
03:50<jm_>twb: yes, but he is using bash
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03:51<twb>jm_: I was just ensuring that you understood that you were hand-waving some (currently, but not always) insignificant details.
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03:52<Phoenix_the_II>anyone perhaps knows how to start services on a XP/Vista box with linux? :P, yes/no
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03:53<jm_>twb: hehe
03:53*twb is a pedant
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03:54<twb>At least, I consider myself a pedant, and a few other people have labelled me pedantic, but there is room for debate...
03:54<twb>When dpkg-buildpackage'ing, how do I say "don't bother making the .orig.tar.gz"?
03:54<twb>IOW "binary only, please"
03:55<dwon>twb: "dpkg-buildpackage --help" lists several binary-only options on my machine
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03:56<motalus-organixc>thanks guys, just playing around i eventualy got it with " for i in */; do cd "$i" && ln -s ../tutorial/guitar.ogg ./ ; cd .. ; done "
03:57<twb>motalus-organixc: you may prefer "cd -", which goes to the previous working directory.
03:57<mav>can someone point me in the dirrection of a simple connect to wpa wiki?
03:57<dwon>motalus-organixc: You could also do: for i in */; do ln -s ../tutorial/guitar.ogg "$i"/ ; done
03:57<jm_>twb: tried -b?
03:57<twb>mav: the documentation that comes with the wpa_supplicant is fairly straightforward.
03:57<twb>jm_: ah, thanks
03:58<twb>I wasn't expecting it to be right at the top of the manual
03:58<jm_>I usually use debuild -uc -us -b
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03:59<twb>jm_: is debuild or dpkg-buildpackage the more "primitive"?
03:59<twb>I can't remember why I switched.
04:00<jm_>twb: the latter
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04:00<twb>So what does debuild give you, other than being faster to type? ;-)
04:01<jm_>twb: does -rfakeroot automatically
04:01<twb>So does dpkg-buildpackage now
04:01<jm_>ahh I am not up-to-date with these tools
04:02<twb>It only changed a month or two ago
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04:44<thctlo2>goooood morning everybody ..
04:45<twb>Has anyone made MBROLA go under Debian? If there's a msttcorefonts-style /contrib package which sets up festival and/or flite integration, I'd be ecstatic.
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04:45<JustSoul>morning/good day
04:46<JustSoul>When I connect usb-flash, and try to open. I have an kio-error
04:46<dpkg>somebody said kio was the KDE Input Output interface, the best framework to transparently access files and data across any known and unknown protocol
04:47<thctlo2>hi, im struggeling with a ldapsearch filter. ldapsearch -h localhost -x -b 'ou=Groups,dc=testdomain,dc=nl' 'objectClass=posixGroup' 'gidNumber>2000' , but it result is always all the groups, nog only groups with gid 2000 and greater..
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04:52<thctlo2>hi, im struggeling with a ldapsearch filter. ldapsearch -h localhost -x -b 'ou=Groups,dc=testdomain,dc=nl' 'objectClass=posixGroup' 'gidNumber>2000' , but it result is always all the groups, nog only groups with gid 2000 and greater..
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04:53<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
04:54<twb>thctlo2: you might try freenode's #openldap
04:54<twb>thctlo2: and/or freenode's #ldap
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04:55<thctlo2>ok thanx, i'll try ther
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04:55*firas hi all
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05:07<SharkMa-san>is there a way to set the primary monitor with two tft monitors?
05:08<jm_>depends on your driver/card cimbination
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05:10<SharkMa-san>nvidia legacy driver with 7800 gtx... I was able to do it when I put the image to my tv with vga cable, but now I have dvi for both monitor and tv
05:11<mysupper>I have a question. I want to manage stable tree using 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'. But I wonder if i can follow stable kernels as well using aptitude system.
05:11<mysupper>The problems is whether I can upgrade to stable kernel using "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade".
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05:11<mysupper>Any ideas?
05:12<jm_>mysupper: you have my permission
05:12<jm_>hmm I think there's a bug in nvidia driver which doesn't honour the order of connections as listed in the config file, maybe it has been fixed by now - best check its changelog
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05:16<mysupper>jm_ ; what do you mean by "mysupper: you have my permission" ?
05:17<jm_>mysupper: you asked if you can do it, so yes, I give you permission
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05:17<mysupper>jm_ , you mean I can upgrade kernel as well using the command "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"?
05:17<jm_>mysupper: yes
05:18<themill>(as long as there isn't an abi bump)
05:18<mysupper>jm_ , if I would use new upgrade kernel, should I reboot the machine?
05:18<jm_>mysupper: there is no effect otherwise
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05:20<mysupper>jm_, I can hardly understand because I guess I should reboot the system to use downloaded new kernel hence the old kernel is running now.
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05:23<SharkMa-san>ahahahaha... the fix was simple. Just plug the displays in another order :DD
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05:25<jm_>yeah but there should be a way of specifying which is primary etc.
05:26<SharkMa-san>yea, but I couldn't get anything I tried to work
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05:59<donny>hi all. any reason my apt can't verify packages anymore?
06:00<padski>!no public key
06:00<dpkg>Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details.
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06:01<twb>So surprise surprise, iceweasel 3.0~b4-1 is taking hours, and hundreds of MB of disk, to compile.
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06:02<padski>the wonders of modern technology :-)
06:02<twb>It gets worse: I'm only compiling it because I'm bored.
06:03<jm_>yeah it always needed lots of space
06:04<twb>I'm still waiting for an midori or epiphany-webkit that doesn't suck.
06:04<twb>Where "doesn't suck" means good white-on-black and keyboard support.
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06:30<vlad>hey guys :} I get this weird error: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct. I get it very often almost with every program, eventhough my encoding is VERY good, why is it giving me this ? I changed it yesterday to en_GB-utf8
06:30<jm_>did you generate it?
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06:30<vlad>hm ? what you mean
06:30<twb>en_GB-utf8 is wrong for Debian; it should be en_GB.UTF-8 or en_GB.utf8
06:31<vlad>twb: oh, ok, let's see
06:31<jm_>man locale-gen
06:31<twb>You will see the former reported by locale -a if it is available with sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
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06:33<vlad>I guess I'll have to reboot now
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06:34<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
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06:35<vlad>someone told me that I had to reboot in order for locales to have it's effects :o
06:36<petemc>dont believe everything your hear
06:36<jm_>would you kill Dubvya if they tell you yo?
06:36<twb>vlad: you need to have a new login session
06:37<twb>vlad: a reboot would achieve that, but so would logging out and back in, or even just bash -l (I think).
06:37<vlad>oh nice
06:37<vlad>so I have to logout from every tty ?
06:37<vlad>I'm in console btw, I removed all graphic
06:40<twb>vlad: actually, you might even just be able to do export LANG=en_GB.utf8 or whatever
06:40<twb>I was confused and thinking of usermod (adding/removing groups and suchlike)
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06:42<vlad>but twb , you know, I used en_GB.utf8 before, and it was really buggy, like, centerim would show up all kinds of freaky characters, mc too.
06:43<vlad>twb: so then I configured it for en_GB-utf8 and everything works fine, just the error is coming up o_O
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06:44<jm_>no tsure about console, but for X one just does TERM=linux mc to fix it
06:44<vlad>jm_: ok, lets see
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06:44<jm_>well it probably already is linux if you're using console
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06:45<Tuplad>it looks good so far
06:45<Tuplad>I relogged
06:46<jm_>you're the "memory" guy?
06:46<Tuplad>you're the Patience of the Year award guy ?
06:46<jm_>what happened with that?
06:46<Tuplad>with the memory?
06:46<jm_>yeah memtest
06:46<Tuplad>I ran memtest like ten times, nothing
06:46<Tuplad>it's probably a corrupt system
06:47<jm_>how did you fix it then?
06:47<Tuplad>I did too much playing around
06:47<Tuplad>I didn't, I just wiped off all graphics and now I'm working through console, amazing what linux can do :o
06:47<jm_>but you couldn't even start the kernel
06:47<Tuplad>I'm going to install linux again, but etch
06:47<Tuplad>yeah, you helped me, remember?
06:47<Tuplad>the md5sums checking and stuff
06:48<jm_>yes, but then we said to check memory - so it just started working?
06:48<Tuplad>I got it fixed, but then I just couldnt boot and my swap would act up, I removed the swap from fstab and removed all graphics
06:48<Tuplad>I did loads of memtests, but it wouldnt ever give anything
06:48<Tuplad>I even let it run for 8 hour sonce
06:49<Tuplad>what I did was: when the kernel started working, I just booted in single mode, aptitude and removed gnome and gdm and all of that stuff
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06:49<jm_>hmm not sure what else could cause that - a bug in boot loader certainly
06:49<Tuplad>I guess, it's probably the software
06:49<jm_>or maybe even BIOS
06:49<Tuplad>so what I'm gonna do is: first, I'll install windows to test what and how, I'm still better with windows than with linux
06:50<wuseldusel>juk says: "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: _ZTv0_n56_N4Arts14StdSynthModule11autoSuspendEv" what can i do?
06:50<luckylin>quick question on splitting files, to rejoin your file in console it's "cat split_file1 split_file2etc > dir_name" ?
06:50<Tuplad>so I'll test it out, if I get crashes there, then I know that it's the BIOS or the hardware
06:50<jm_>luckylin: yes
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06:51<Tuplad>oh well
06:51<Tuplad>I think my locales are working :D
06:54<chealer>luckylin: $ cat split_file1 split_file2 etc > rejoined_file
06:55<Tuplad>I use mutt, IMAP on gmail, but how do I remove some mails locally en externally ?
06:55<luckylin>thanks I just tested and i got it right :-) i needed to split files into 99mb parts to upload to mediafire
06:56<jm_>Tuplad: tag them ; delete them
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06:57<Tuplad>jm_: good one
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06:59<donny_>well i asked dpkg about how to update my public keys, but it hasn't made a difference, it still can't verify anything i download >:(
06:59<donny_>this sucks a lot because i want to install a kernel module right now
06:59<jm_>what did you do?
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06:59<donny_>jm_: i did this: 05:51 <dpkg> # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update
07:00<jm_>donny_: verify with apt-key list if you have the key it is expecting
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07:01<donny_>jm_: how do i see the key used to sign the package(s) i wanted to install?
07:02<jm_>donny_: apt-get reports it
07:02<donny_>weird, it didn't tell me, it just said this: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
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07:04<jm_>let me see
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07:05<donny_>jm_: do you mean tyou want the full output? should i /msg it to you? or pastebin it somewhere?
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07:06<jm_>donny_: let me try it here
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07:07<donny_>jm_: ok, do you need anything from me? i really have never taken the time to properly educate myself about exactly how debian update security works, but unfortunately right now
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07:08<donny_>i need this kernel module rather urgently
07:08<jm_>donny_: just wait a while, it's not showing me the key either so I am trying to figure it out
07:08<donny_>perhaps someone here could give me some checksum of the package i want so i could feel safe installing it?
07:09<donny_>oh, maybe i could look on the debian site
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07:09*donny_ lokso
07:09<chealer>donny_: which packages?
07:09<chealer>donny_: oh, you said any
07:09<donny_>chealer: kqemu-modules-2.6.18-6-486
07:09<jm_>I don't get it, just about 2h ago there was someone here who was seeing the key info in the output
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07:11<chealer>donny_: please provide the output
07:11<jm_>aha you see it on update, not on install, bummer
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07:13<donny_>jm_: huh, i just ran apt-get update again, just to see the output you described, and after reading the output i noticed it fetched some key, so i decided to try and install again, and now everything is working fine
07:13<jm_>donny_: right
07:14<donny_>jm_: well i had done that before as the dpkg bot suggested, but it didn't seem to work
07:14<jm_>donny_: yeah sometimes one has to run it twice
07:14<donny_>anyhow, thanks for your help guys, jm_ , chealer
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07:19<donny_>ok, i have installed and modprobed the kqemu module, but qemu is looking for a /dev/kqemu node that doesn't exist, have i done something wrong?
07:19<jm_>create it
07:19<donny_>ah, right
07:20<jm_>yeah check $docdir/kqemu*
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07:22<donny_>jm_: thanks a lot jm_, you've been a great help
07:22<jm_>no worries
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07:33<Tuplad>anyone here uses lastfm ?
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07:34<MoDaX>Tuplad: via amarok
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07:34<Tuplad>MoDaX: ah, I'm trying to get it working with mp3blaster
07:34<Tuplad>MoDaX: lastfmsubmitd won't do it :(
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07:37<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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07:41<Tuplad>padski: but lastfm isnt a program
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07:43<dpkg>i guess tswc is Here's a phone, call someone who cares.
07:43<petemc>how does that work?
07:43<petemc>oh, telephone someone who cares
07:44*petemc gives up
07:44<Tuplad>lol :D
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07:57<n0n3>spanish channel
07:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:09<TuxOne>Can anybody help me out to configure xorg.conf to get my AGP VGA working?
08:09<jaakko>TuxOne: How did you install them, not working now?
08:10<TuxOne>Now i am working from my onboard VGA
08:11<TuxOne>If I plug the DVI cable to my AGP VGA vard and simply gives a kernel panic error
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08:13<TuxOne>when i do a lspci it shows my Onboard VGA and the AGP VGA
08:13<TuxOne>The drivers seems to be properly taken by the system
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08:14<jaakko>TuxOne: I don't know how xorg handles multiple cards. You could try ""dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
08:16<TuxOne>Ok I will give a try.But in case if I something wrong happens to the OS, is there a way to resolve it?
08:16<TuxOne>I mean like booting up a live CD?
08:17<jm_>you tell it which card to use by specifying bus ID
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08:18<chealer>TuxOne: restore the previous xorg.conf
08:18<jaakko>TuxOne: I think you will get to console in any case, at least removing that external card. But your graphical desktop may not work before you configure it again. It will not mess your system. And you can restore your previois settings, it takes a backup before save.
08:19<jaakko>TuxOne: the file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you can copy it too if feel unsecure.
08:20<jaakko>TuxOne: the pervious version is in same dir, named like this "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.200711261955"
08:21<jaakko>*previous, lol
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08:22<TuxOne>OK,Thanks a lot guys...Bye !!!
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08:29<ircMonkey>Hi, I have sound with: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio. But I can't have sound with speaker-test, neither mplayer.... I did alsaconf, and it looked fine.
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08:31<jaakko>ircMonkey: that speaker-test is just low noise, you have to be careful to hear it. :)
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08:32<jaakko>ircMonkey: try aplayer. And put some volume "alsamixer"
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08:35<jaakko>ircMonkey: it is actually "aplay file.wav"
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08:37<Tuplad>how do I convert a text to md5 ? :]
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08:40<jaakko>Tuplad: Openssl can do that "openssl md5 file.txt"
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08:41<Knight_Lord>Is it possible to install debian on a USB stick and then boot from it using just grub or lilo?
08:41<jaakko>Tuplad: (but it does not _convert_ the file, it gives a md5 hash of the file.)
08:41<jaakko>Knight_Lord: depends on your BIos
08:42<jaakko>Knight_Lord: look for USB hdd, or USB ffd
08:42<jm_>Knight_Lord: yes
08:42*k1lumin4t1 is away:
08:43<themill>!tell k1lumin4t1 about away
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08:44<Knight_Lord>jm_ would a standard installation do the trick?
08:44<Knight_Lord>jaakko i'm talking about standard pen drive, and my BIOS can boot from USB yes
08:44<bighornram>I get /bin/sh: autoreconf: command not found error where do I get that?
08:45<jaakko>Knight_Lord: ok, then you have good chances. But there are different types of usb devices, so standard installation may work or not (create partition table etc).
08:45<Slydder>anyone here using ocs inventory? just finished adding ssl support, extended perl module installation (to satisfy all dependencies) and variable cron settings. anyone interested in trying it out let me know
08:45<themill>bighornram: autoconf (/msg dpkg search)
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08:47<jaakko>Knight_Lord: if standard doesn't work, pendrivelinux may still boot. I don't know the relevant difference.
08:47<Knight_Lord>jaakko i don't want the pendrivelinux way. They seem to copy an entire LiveCD to the usb stick
08:48<Knight_Lord>jaakko from what i have seen most people seem to use syslinux, no one uses just grub/lilo
08:48<jaakko>Knight_Lord: I have used grub
08:48<Knight_Lord>jaakko installed on the USB MBR?
08:49<jaakko>Knight_Lord: yes
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08:49<jm_>Knight_Lord: yes
08:49<Knight_Lord>jaakko but the probability of this working is rather low isn't it?
08:50<jaakko>Knight_Lord: if you have modern board, I think your chances are good
08:50<jaakko>Knight_Lord: there is nothing difficult, everything depends on your bios
08:51<jaakko>Knight_Lord: hmm.. I might install pendrivelinux again and do some testing.. and see how they have done the partitions.
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08:52<Knight_Lord>jaakko i'm guessing it's not gonna work with my BIOS due to murphy's law
08:52<jaakko>Knight_Lord: install only grub to usb and see if it works
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08:52<jaakko>Knight_Lord: you don't need anything else to see it.
08:53<Knight_Lord>jaakko the problem is I have several computers to test
08:54<Knight_Lord>I'll give syslinux and grub a try
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09:00<sugarmice>Where do the scripts in /etc/rcS.d log to?
09:00<jaakko>sugarmice: log?
09:00<sugarmice>At least some of mine seem to be failing, but I can't find any error messages anywhere?
09:00<jm_>enable bootlogd
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09:02<sugarmice>Thanks - will give that a go now
09:03<sugarmice>Urgh - now that's a nasty heisenbug. If I enabled bootlogd, my bug goes away.
09:04<jaakko>jm_: how do you enable it? I have the link and script, but no log.
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09:10<jm_>jaakko: seen above?
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09:11<jaakko>jm_: yes, found it. :)
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09:18<enkrypt>I have installed a certain python package (python-django) which in debian sid is compiled for python 2.4
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09:19<enkrypt>how can I recompile this package for python 2.5 ?
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09:22<jaakko>enkrypt: I don't think you have to compile packages between python versions as packages are usually python source code. They work or they don't :-| But you could copy the package under python2.5 and "python setup" (or what was it?)
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09:56<Slydder>when using the following command I am wondering what the $@ is for: openssl req $@ -config /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf -new -x509 -days 365 -nodes -out /etc/apache2/conf/ssl/ocsinventory-crt.pem -keyout /etc/apache2/conf/ssl/ocsinventory-key.pem
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09:59<padski>Slydder, just take it out
09:59<Slydder>already did
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10:08<LaicepS>Hi, can anyone explain why i can launch iceap on my comp but when i try "apt-get remove iceap" i'm told that the package is not found ?
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10:11*themill hands LaicepS an "e" for his iceape.
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10:15<LaicepS>Yes, sorry, i mean iceape.
10:16<LaicepS>(It is strill doens't work i mean)
10:18<ant_>LaicepS, have you tried "dpkg -S /usr/bin/iceape"
10:18<ant_>should tell you which package (if any) own the iceape binary file
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10:19<LaicepS>Oh, thanks.
10:19<ranix>how do I utterly purge clamav-daemon and remove all configuration files and dependencies?
10:20<n0n3>how i do for certification 3d acerelation?
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10:25<dpkg>rumour has it, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files
10:25<ranix>thanks padski
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10:26<dpkg>deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd.
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10:27<dpkg>methinks autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed.
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10:29<Scalpel>roxen4 broken? when I start it the load of pike goeds to 100%, but pike it not upgraded, only roxen4.
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10:32<ranix>Why is clamav in etch hopelessly broken
10:32<petemc>in what way?
10:32<ranix>it's not generating /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl
10:32<petemc>works for me
10:32<petemc>perhaps you're doing it wrong
10:32<_haxi_>is there a console command who can give many infos about a .mp3 file?
10:32<ranix>I did a full dpkg --purge of clamav-daemon and reinstalled it
10:33<petemc>_haxi_: file
10:33<petemc>ranix: and did you then tell it to use a local socket?
10:33<ranix>/etc/init.d/clamav-daemon start does not understand when clamav is running and when it's not
10:33<ranix>yeah, it's configured to use a local socket at that location
10:33<ranix>in fact, it is by default
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10:34<ranix>upgrading to the version of clamav-daemon in Lenny solved the problem
10:35<ranix>others seem to be experiencing this problem as well
10:35<petemc>is it in the bug tracking system?
10:35<padski>ranix, you were using the version in etch ?
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10:35<ranix>one guy says to use a backported packlage here
10:36<padski>ranix, I thought that had been removed. better to use volatile for clamav.
10:37<ranix>anyway lenny fixed it
10:37<Knight_Lord>I'm getting a device busy error when umount a usb stick. What can I do to figure out the culprit?
10:37<ranix>I would consider that a major bug
10:37<amphi>Knight_Lord: lsof | grep /dev/whatever
10:37<Knight_Lord>amphi that was my first guess, but it comes out empty
10:38<jaakko>Knight_Lord: are you "inside" of the mountpoint (eg cd /media/usb)?
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10:39<jaakko>Knight_Lord: that is a common mistake I do when mounting and copying...
10:40<Knight_Lord>jaakko i am not and that would show up in the lsof
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10:40<petemc>ranix: did you file a bug?
10:40<ranix>not yet, I'm still inspecting it
10:40<padski>might have beem an idea to have sent that to debian-announce too.
10:41<ranix>I feel like I'm still fumbling and I don't know what the problem is
10:42<padski>ranix, the problem is that clamav is really too fast-moving a target for a stable release.
10:43<ranix>oh it was the new signiature types
10:43<ranix>I bet clamav was choking every time freshclam did an update
10:44<amphi>Knight_Lord: can you remount it ro?
10:44<jaakko>Knight_Lord: that command shoud be "lsof | grep /mnt" I think, not dev.
10:45<ranix>thanks for the help petemc, padski. The issue was mostly my missing the etch-volatile announcement
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10:51<Knight_Lord>jaakko i tried both
10:51<Knight_Lord>amphi jaakko thanks for the help but i just yanked the devie
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10:52<jaakko>Knight_Lord: next time you can try "umount -l", it is sloppy unmounting, tries to mount readonly and umount when possible.
10:53<jaakko>Knight_Lord: are you installing usb bootable system? :)
10:54<padski>ranix, would you have seen something like that if it went out on dda ?
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10:58<ranix>padski: dda?
10:58<Knight_Lord>jaakko i am
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10:59<padski>ranix, sorry, the mailing list debian-devel-announce
10:59<ranix>ah. I'm not on the lists but I usually turn up the relevant threads in googling before making an ass of myself
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11:11<Knight_Lord>jaakko by the way it was not that difficult to install debian on a usb stick and then syslinux on a fat16 partition on the same stick that worked as the /boot dir
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11:13<jaakko>Knight_Lord: perhaps a small fat16 may be better for old bios too (looking for floppy drive or something like that)
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11:18<Knight_Lord>jaakko strangely it doesn't work on a macbook, but i'm not particularly worried about that
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11:32<jaakko>if I use "xinit", netstat shows "tcp LISTEN". With "startx" it's not listening. Is "xinit" a security risk?
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11:34<padski>jaakko, there is a notcp option. I thought it was the default on debian.
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11:35<jaakko>padski: xorg.conf?
11:35<padski>jaakko, sorry, looks like its '-nolisten' see Xserver(1)
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11:40<padski>jaakko, hmm ... /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc says -nolisten tcp
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11:41<jaakko>padski: that startx/xinit/xserver system has a way too many config files.
11:42<jaakko>padski: but I haven't changed any but my home dir .xinitrc
11:42<padski>jaakko, let me check on mine ...
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11:46<hudu>noobQ: why can't I mount my SanDisk digital autio player? It says, 'Unable to mount the selected volume. mount: i could not determine the filesystem type, none was specified'
11:46<jaakko>hudu: what was your mount command, do you know the filesystem?
11:47<hudu>I just right clicked on it and said "mount volume"
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11:47<jaakko>hudu: type in console "fdisk -l"
11:47<jaakko>hudu: what it says about the device, filesystem etc?
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11:47<hudu>jaakko: will that erase the whole thing?
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11:48<jaakko>hudu: no, it lists all your storage devices
11:48<gerzel>What are some good brands for videocards for Linux? Any recomendations?
11:49<hudu>jaakko: cool. should I do that as root? or does it matter?
11:49<jaakko>hudu: if you don't get a list, then as root
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11:50<jaakko>hudu: su - -c "fdisk -l"
11:50<hudu>jaakko: okay, it says that /dev/sda1 is FAT16
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11:50<jaakko>hudu: ok, try "mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt -o ro"
11:51<jaakko>hudu: that will mount it as read only if success, to be safe
11:51<hudu>jaakko: do I need to create a directory to mount it to?
11:51<jaakko>hudu: you could, but you have by default /mnt
11:52<padski>jaakko, yes it does that on etch, and I have deja-vu. note that Xserver(1) says "xinit is to be considered a tool for building startup scripts and is not intended for use by end users"
11:52<jaakko>hudu: there should be nothing, if you havent mounted earlier
11:53<hudu>I tried the 'mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt -o r' and got 'mount: you must specify the filesystem type'
11:53<hudu>mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt -o ro
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11:57<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @
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11:58<padski>surely that is not a word in any language ?!?!
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12:01<jaakko>padski: yes, but it is strange that startx reads /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc but not xinit (the dir name is _xinit_)
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12:02<hudu>another ignorant newbie: How do I mount a FAT16 device?
12:02<jaakko>hudu: try "mount -t auto /dev/sda /mnt -o ro"
12:03<hudu>I meant to say 'another ignorant newbie question: How do I mount a FAT16 device?'
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12:04<jaakko>hudu: are you still root, or su?
12:05<hudu>jaakko: yes, I am doing these things as root
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12:07<nicodarious>hello, anyone know about SLI systems running on Linux?
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12:08<hudu>jaakko: thx for helping me. I have to leave my workstation for a bit and will check back here later (probably 20-30 minutes)
12:08<padski>jaakko, startx is a script that calls xinit.
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12:09<padski>jaakko, there is also a XSERVERRC env var.
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12:12<padski>jaakko, although it is not mentioned in the debian manual page. it may be better not to use it :-)
12:13<jaakko>hudu: "Ok, got this resolved. The player itself has 2 usb modes. It needs to be in MSC mode, then it will automount."
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12:14<jaakko>padski: yes, better to use startx or create better startup script.
12:15<padski>jaakko, I couldn't see a bug already filed for this on a quick search. I can't tell you what the maintainer would say, but I would be surprised if this has not been asked before.
12:15<jaakko>padski: I was wondering also why the font is bigger with startx, but the file you pointed explains it too.
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12:21<mysupper>I'm running kernel "2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP " , should I install linux-image-2.6-686-smp (2.6.18+6etch3 Debian:4.0r3/stable, Debian-Security:4.0/stable)?
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12:23<jaakko>hudu: the previous text was from here: ""
12:23<TrIXx>hello, i have a D-link wireless pci card and i don't know how to install it
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12:24<witte>TrIXx: which card is that (use lspci to find out)
12:24<TrIXx>lspci says me : 00:0b.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g
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12:24<dpkg>The legacy driver for Ralink RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at, enhanced legacy driver is at Note that firmware is required for the enhanced driver: Also ask me about <rt2x00>.
12:25<dpkg>The rt2x00 project ( provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source'. Read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Also ask about <ralink firmware>.
12:25<witte>TrIXx: which kernel do you use
12:25<TrIXx>so i neeed rt2x00 first --> it is the driver
12:26<TrIXx>and second i need the firmware
12:26<TrIXx>so i download them ^^
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12:26<witte>TrIXx: depends, or you use the legacy driver, (rt61), or the rt2x00
12:26<witte>the firmware needs to be in /lib/firmware
12:27<TrIXx>matthias@debian:~$ uname -r2.6.18-6-686
12:28<TrIXx>i need to save the wireless by wpa
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12:30<witte>the rt2x00 package should enable wpa i think (never used wpa), "m-a m-i rt2x00" should do the trick (you need to have module-assistant installed)
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12:30<TrIXx>so i download rt2x00 and the firmware second
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12:34<TrIXx>ok i have now the pakets and rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz
12:34<TrIXx>what i have to do now?
12:35<witte>TrIXx: ok, you use the legacy drivers, no problem, unzip the zip, copy the contents to /lib/firmware
12:35<witte>TrIXx: next, untar the rt61... thing
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12:38<TrIXx>i want to use the rt2x00 driver sorry
12:39<TrIXx>i download it and write again ..moment and big sorry
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12:40<TrIXx>lol i have it alredy
12:40<TrIXx>ok i m ready
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12:42<witte>TrIXx: ok, so did you install rt2x00?
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12:44<TrIXx>no i'm not sure how to install it?! sry
12:44<witte>TrIXx: m-a m-i rt2x00
12:45<witte>TrIXx: you need to be root (or use sudo) to do this
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12:50<TrIXx>where is it? is it in the folder rt61-cvs-2008033110
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12:50<witte>TrIXx: you just need to type that in console, i think it will be installed automatically
12:51<TrIXx>ok ...?
12:51<witte>TrIXx: otherwise do m-a prepare first
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12:52<TrIXx>m-a: command not found
12:52<TrIXx> need to have module-assistant installed)
12:52<TrIXx>i look
12:52<witte>TrIXx: sudo apt-get install module-assistant
12:53<TrIXx>ok theres a gui in the konsole ^^
12:54<witte>TrIXx: I really have to go now, normally you should be able to install rt2x00 quite easily. Don't forget to install the firmware
12:55<LaicepS>Is there a way to use a new X configuration (the changes only involves mouse) without restarting X?
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12:55<witte>TrIXx: look at the rt2x00 website for configuration guidance (or ask someone else here)
12:55<TrIXx>ok i thank you very much you have helped me a lot..thx
12:56<witte>TrIXx: no problem, good luck with it ;-)
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12:56<TrIXx>thyx have a good time
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12:56<avu>LaicepS: no. recent X has input hotplugging, which generally means that you do not need input configuration in your xorg.conf at all
12:56<avu>LaicepS: but that does not apply to the version in etch AFAIK
12:57<avu>LaicepS: in general: When you want changes you did to xorg.conf to be applied, you need to restart X.
12:57<LaicepS>I'm under lenny.
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12:57<LaicepS>Ok thanks.
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13:05<TrIXx>can anybody else help me to install the wireless driver please
13:05<TrIXx>i have make the command m-a m-i rt2x00
13:06<TrIXx>now i don't know what i should do in the gui
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13:06<cusco>TrIXx: tried following instructions at ?
13:07<TrIXx>ok i read this sorry ..
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13:07<TrIXx>my problem is that im not quiet sure what i do^^ thx
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13:08<cusco>actually you better off following this tut TrIXx:
13:08<cusco>no you're not... Im talking ahed of myself sorry
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13:09<TrIXx>is there a differenz betwen rt2x00 rt2400/rt2500
13:09<cusco>have you ran the module assistant?
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13:10<cusco>different cards same driver
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13:10<cusco>TrIXx: what have you done so far?
13:10<TrIXx>iit is runnig at the moment but i dont know what i have to choose
13:10<cusco>what options do you have?
13:11<cusco>wich card do you have?
13:11<cusco>lspci|grep -i eth
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13:12<TrIXx>there are 4 buttons - update / overview/prepare /select --> i dont know what is prepare and select
13:12<cusco>first update
13:12<cusco>then overview
13:13<cusco>then prepare
13:13<cusco>overview will tell you what prepare and select is
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13:15<TrIXx>ok i have did it . must i select something from select
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13:18<TrIXx>ok i have read your comment wrong i must read overview ...
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13:19<cusco>TrIXx: what card do you have?
13:19<TrIXx>dlink gwl 510
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13:20<cusco>TrIXx: lspci|grep -i eth
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13:22<TrIXx>the command shows only my 2 ethernet controllers eth0 and eth1
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13:22<cusco>could you paste them?
13:23<cusco>is one of them your wireless device?
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13:23<cusco>how do you know you need rtx200?
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13:24<TrIXx>witte has told me... lspci says me : 00:0b.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g
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13:25<TrIXx>no my wireless device is not listen
13:25<cusco>yes it is
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13:25<cusco>its that ralink one
13:25<cusco>d-link is the brand, ralink is the manufacturer of the chip
13:26<TrIXx>yes but it isnt listed by |grep
13:26<cusco>oh... sorry
13:26<TrIXx>should i make a rebbot maybe
13:27<TrIXx>dont't know this word
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13:27<valdyn>TrIXx: is it a pcmcia device?
13:27<valdyn>TrIXx: aka pccard
13:27<TrIXx>no a pci card
13:28<valdyn>TrIXx: it could be listed as unknown device
13:28<valdyn>TrIXx: a device not showing in lspci is a serious hardware error. Just reboot will likely not fix that, but reseating the card might.
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13:29<TrIXx>it is showed in lspci but not in lspci|grep -i eth
13:29<valdyn>TrIXx: rt2500 and rt2x00 are different drivers
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13:30<valdyn>TrIXx: the first one is primarily developed by RaLink and the 2nd is new and by "volunteers"
13:30<valdyn>TrIXx: rt2500 is still alot more reliable
13:31<TrIXx>i dont know what i have to choose in select by the command m -a
13:31<valdyn>TrIXx: rt2x00 or rt2500
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13:31<TrIXx>rt2x00 i not listed
13:32<valdyn>!info rt2x00-source etch
13:32<dpkg>rt2x00-source: (RT2x00 wireless network drivers source), section net, is extra. Version: 0cvs20060928-1 (etch), Packaged size: 298 kB, Installed size: 324 kB
13:32<valdyn>TrIXx: not being listed doesnt mean anything i guess, you can try "m-a a-i rt2x00" anyway
13:33<valdyn>TrIXx: but i recommend you use rt2500 anyway
13:33<valdyn>TrIXx: its old, it doesnt work nicely with network-manager and doesnt really follow current linux wireless "standards" but it works.
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13:34<cusco>TrIXx: sorry hold just a sec
13:34<TrIXx>i make a reboot and come back in a moment
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13:39<TrIXx>i'll be back^^
13:39<cusco>hello TrIXx
13:39<cusco> check this
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13:42<cogwheel>cusco, $(cp rt2561.bin rt2561s.bin rt2661.bin rt61sta.dat /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/) is also allowed if you want to cut down the number of lines ;)
13:43<TrIXx>but can we install the firmware first
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13:46<cusco>the firmware is contained in that package that you download TrIXx
13:46<cusco>the .bin files
13:46<TrIXx>ok i do i with the list
13:46<TrIXx>thx it is nice
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13:48<cusco>if it worked all good, now you should have a ra0 device
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13:48<cusco>iwconfig ra0
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13:48<TrIXx>after the download i can't untar the file
13:48<vlad>anyone familiar with w3m could help me out with going page back/forward ? the manual wont do it :/
13:49<cusco>don't forget to autoload rt61 - echo rt61 >> /etc/modules
13:49<cusco>how come you can't untar?
13:49<cusco>tar jxvf
13:49<cusco>what is the error?
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13:52<TrIXx>Child returned status 2
13:52<cusco>can you paste it fully to the pastebin?
13:52<cusco>the whole output
13:52<TrIXx>it is in german but ii can promise to translate
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13:53<cusco>you can temporary set it to english.. let me see teh var to export
13:53<cusco>export LANG=en_GB.utf8
13:53<cusco>run that
13:54<cusco>and output will be english until you close that session
13:54<TrIXx>debian:/home/matthias/Downloads# tar jxvf 2007_1210_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.0.tar.bz2
13:54<TrIXx>tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
13:55<cusco>what part of the error you don't understand?
13:55<cusco>that means that the file is not there... it might be bad spelled or not downloaded correctly
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13:56<TrIXx>i have copied from the board...
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13:56<cusco>why are you in /home/matthias/Downloads instad of /usr/src then?
13:56<cusco>was there something wrong with the wget command?
13:56<TrIXx>i have saw it my mistake
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13:58<un>anyone here??
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13:59<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
13:59<TrIXx>no it doesn't work
13:59<TrIXx>i'm in debian:/usr/src
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14:00<TrIXx>ls: ebian:/usr/src# ls 007_1210_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.0.tar.bz2
14:00<TrIXx>tar jxvf 2007_1210_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.0.tar.bz2
14:00<cusco>TrIXx: run the wget command
14:00<cusco>what is the output?
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14:01<TrIXx>it makes a download
14:01<cusco>in the output it says the file name of the downloaded file
14:01<TrIXx>00:22 (57.94 KB/s) - »2007_1210_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.0.tar.bz2.1« stored 34/865334]
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14:01<cusco>lol ok
14:02<cusco>TrIXx: run: mv 2007_1210_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.0.tar.bz2.1 2007_1210_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.0.tar.bz2
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14:02<cusco>then: tar jxvf 2007_1210_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.0.tar.bz2
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14:02<TrIXx>lol there are 2 files with the same name in the folder
14:02<cusco>no worries
14:02<cusco>just do that
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14:03<TrIXx>sorry same mistake
14:03<cusco>file not found?
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14:04<cusco>rosa: on the tar command only?
14:04<TrIXx>if ich write
14:05<TrIXx>tar jxvf 20 and then press the TAB it completes by itself
14:05<TrIXx>so the file must be there
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14:06<cusco>yes I thought about that
14:06<cusco>what does it say?
14:07<TrIXx>tar jxvf 2007_1210_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.0.tar.bz2
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14:08<cusco>does it extract?
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14:08<TrIXx>i have copied it from the konsole
14:08<cusco>press enter?
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14:09<TrIXx>the same
14:09<cusco>file not found?
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14:18<mike>Hi! I have a problem with time in linux.
14:18<mike>I'm using 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 14:37:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
14:18<mike>After install new kernel my system time now is my real time (Moscow) + 3... How to return it work as it was?
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14:19<valdyn>mike: why do you think that this is related to the kernel?
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14:19<cusco>hello un
14:20<cusco>mike: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
14:20<mike>when kernel loading i've seen a message, that it is unable to change hardware time
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14:20<cusco>you're using a vps
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14:21<mike>Current default timezone: 'Europe/Moscow'
14:21<mike>Local time is now: Tue Apr 1 02:17:19 MSD 2008.
14:21<mike>Universal Time is now: Mon Mar 31 22:17:19 UTC 2008.
14:22<mike>Local time must be 22:17!
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14:22<cusco>mike: I live in the uk and I use london's timezone
14:23<cusco>so I copy /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London to /etc/localtime
14:23<mike>I'm glad to hear it! But I live in Moscow...
14:23<cusco>so you should find inside /usr/share/zoneinfo/
14:23<mike>In BIOS time is right
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14:27<jaakko>TrIXx: Did you get a space after filename when tab-completition? Try pressing tab twise, is it giving more options..
14:27<mike>What should I do with /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Moscow ?
14:28<jaakko>mike: there is a command to change timezone.
14:28<cusco>mike: copy it to the same as I did
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14:30<jaakko>mike: tzconfig
14:30<mike>as root?
14:30<jaakko>mike: isn't it easier to try than ask
14:30<mike>no such command
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14:31<jaakko>mike: sorry, try tzselect
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14:33<mike>no effect
14:34<jaakko>mike: but the command worked?
14:34<mike>linux show local time like real +3
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14:35<mike>local time 22:31, linux show it like 02:31.
14:35<jaakko>mike: what is the actual problem now? Set date & time with "date"
14:36<mike>each time when i boot OS?
14:36<mike>problem appears after installing kernel 2.6.24
14:36<jaakko>mike: no, if you have now right timezone, and set the right time, its ok then. to make sure, run /etc/init.d/hwclock stop
14:37<jaakko>mike: do you dualboot?
14:37<mike>what does it mean "dualboot"? I'm know english not so well
14:38<jaakko>mike: booting two different operating systems on same computer. Windows uses local time in system.
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14:39<cogwheel>mike, as i said, i had that problem once, i fixed it by using a time server
14:39<mike>yes, I have windows and linux. But I use linux 99% time
14:39<jaakko>mike: ok, but booting to windows may change you hwclock
14:39<cusco>try what jaakko said: /etc/init.d/hwclock stop
14:39<tingle>i mounted a external harddrive from a friend of mine to copy some files. but when i try to copy them i get "acces denied"
14:40<tingle>could someone help? he uses his harddrive on a windows pc
14:40<cogwheel>tingle, copy the files as root and chown them
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14:40<mike>what sould I see after "/etc/init.d/hwclock stop"?
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14:40<tingle>cogwheel: chown them to what? he should be able to use it on his xp/vista pc once i copied them
14:41<mike>"select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out"
14:41<chri>scusate c'è qualcuno che conosce l'italiano?
14:41<cogwheel>ah you do i tthe other way
14:41<cogwheel>do it the other way *
14:41<jaakko>marsbiker: Saving the system clock..
14:41<cogwheel>tingle, hm.. you use ntfs-3g?
14:41<jaakko>mike: Saving the system clock..
14:41<salvin>mike, si, in #debian-it
14:41<tingle>cogwheel: nop
14:42<cogwheel>tingle, mounting an ntfs partition as-is will cause it to be mounted read-only, you'll have to use ntfs-3g
14:42<salvin>ops, chri
14:42<tingle>cogwheel: issnt a mp3 player normally ntfs aswell? i got no problems whit that
14:42<jaakko>mike: you get that? well, there is the bug then, it can't save the time in hardware clock.
14:43<mike>it is good or bad?
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14:43<cogwheel>tingle, i have the impression that mp3 players use fat32 or fat64
14:43<mike>what should I do with it?
14:43<tingle>i would like to install pure-ftpd but i dont want it to start every time i boot how can i disable this?
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14:43<tingle>cogwheel: you might be right thanks for your help
14:43<jaakko>mike: I don't know what could cause that.
14:43<mike>I see. Thank you, fellows
14:44<jaakko>mike: You should see that msg when shutting down, then it should save the time.
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14:46<jaakko>mike: google for your board
14:47<mike>It is not such problem to spend on it many time. I will use UTC time, it is the same as real
14:48<mike>But answer to me, please, how to use time server?
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14:50<janis_>hi there!! Is gnash 0.8.1 or greater available for amd64?
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14:50<pabs>janis_: seems to be:
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14:51<pabs>janis_: but only in unstable/sid
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14:51<jaakko>mike: Google..
14:51<kop>mike: You install the ntp package and read /usr/share/doc/ntp/README.Debian.gz
14:52<padski>!simple sid backport
14:52<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
14:52<mike>Thank you again!
14:52<padski>janis_, and there is 0.7.2 in etch-backports
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14:56<janis_>thx pabs, padski. I am reading about backports. I have amd64 thus am using lenny/sid. Is there a backport for these targets?
14:57<janis_>I only found one for etch
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14:57<padski>janis_, try the simple backport, will probably work, or even just install the sid binaries and wait for them to enter or be suceeded in testing
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15:00<pabs>btw all, I am doing a survey of Debian users, some of you may like to respond:
15:00<padski>Janis_, ... but at first sight the dependency lists are dramatically different
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15:01<padski>janis_, I'm sure I did it on another box a while back without too much trouble
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15:07<janis_>padski, I decided to backport it myself. I currently am running the build-dep, which installs terrifyingly many dev packages..
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15:07<padski>Janis, heh :-)
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15:12<janis_>Installing the sid packages requires a great number of packages to be promoted to experimental. Can I temporarily only search in backports (which I installed for sarge) with commandline arguments? I'd like to check if there are any already backported versions
15:12<Laizkiz^>What is this and how did I get here?
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15:13<janis_>as for the trouble, it only boils down to me learning the process, the rest I am sure are simple :)
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15:16<drmay>anyone know how to install cinelerra? i cant find the package
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15:19<craigevil>drmay: try
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15:20<alephnull>drmay: also seems to have it
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15:22<drmay>than you, why it is not in the main repository? does it have license issues?
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15:31<honkanev>Hello everybody!
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15:33<honkanev>I just tried to install debian 4.0r3 but the kernel was too old and ata_piix driver was unable to identify sata controller. So I found out that Lenny has kernel with newer version of ata_piix driver.
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15:34<honkanev>Well... No I am unable to figure which ISO of AMD64 build I should download. Netinstallation is not available for Lenny? So I have to download DVD ISO image?
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15:36<Honksu>Or can I download first CD and make minimall installation and use apt to install/update more software from the internet?
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15:38<tvim>Honksu: that should work
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15:39<Honksu>1'st CD and minimal installation?
15:39<chealer>Honksu: it is available
15:40<Honksu>chealer: What is available? Netinst?
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15:40<chealer>Honksu: yes
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15:40<Honksu>Oh! I was unable to find it. :/
15:41<tvim>Honku: take a look here
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15:42<Honksu>tvim: I found Lenny Beta1 from and date is 15-Mar-2008. Do you think it could work?
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15:43<nomad>its lenny for ia64 ???
15:43<Honksu>tvim: Oh! I noticed it too now...
15:44<Honksu>LÖL! :D
15:44<tvim>Honksu: looks good :)
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15:45<Honksu>! I am getting only 9kb/s!
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15:48<Honksu>Downloading from HTTP sucks.
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15:50<tvim>Honksu: use jigdo or torrent
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15:50<Honksu>Naah... I am getting 100kb/ps now so it is soon here.
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15:52<Honksu>I tested my network speed today and results were nice. 25Mb/s in and 15MB/s out. :D
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15:53<Honksu>I have good time to wait for the download because erasing CD-RW is going to take a while.
15:54<scrod4U2>greetings - I have questions on a couple of topics
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15:54<scrod4U2>1) setting up Debian as a gateway from the internet to the rest of my network
15:55<petemc>the ipmasq package will do that
15:55<Honksu>I am excited too see how fast debian is going to be on my machine. 2x3GHz, 4MB Level 2 Cache, 1333FSB + 2Gb RAM + SATA HDD. :D
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15:55<panthera>as fast as almost any other distribution would be.
15:56<dpkg>somebody said sc was the "Debian Social Contract": also see <dfsg>
15:57<cusco>oops sorry
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15:57<Honksu>Yes! But... I am runnig windows xp pro sp2 right now. And it doesn't take advantage of my 64bit processor.
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16:01<chealer>Honksu: wow - your ODD has some catchup to play with your uplink
16:03<Honksu>chealer: It had if I'd given the numbers in right units. It is mbps not MB/s. :(
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16:05<Honksu>I am behind NAT there might be some other restrictions in the network too. DirectConnect ports are closed and torrents doesn't work perfectly(this must be because of NAT).
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16:05<chealer>Honksu: still, I have 10 times less downstream bandwidth and my ODD erases CD-RW-s in no time.
16:05<Honksu>My max dl speed in 1 torrent is little over 700kb/s in and same amount out.
16:06<Honksu>optical disc drive?
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16:06<Honksu>These are _old_ 10x CD-RW's. :(
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16:16<bony> there is a script which has some problems with it i am unable to figure out what went wrong with this script can any one fix it?
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16:18<Honksu>FUCK! Today's release didn't work. Kernel was so confused about my sata and ide drives...
16:18<Honksu>I was too greed to dl beta1 and now I have tdl it anaway.
16:18<Honksu>I think there is quite little change it to work either.
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16:19<bony>please help me
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16:20<jaakko>bony: I'm looking...
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16:21<bony>jaakko, thank you very much
16:21<jaakko>bony: what is the problemm/error?
16:21<Honksu>I am wondering how many finns here is...
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16:21<bony>it says "Could not find "/tmp/rm2mp3.12264/track.wav"."
16:22<bony>jaakko, this is the error
16:22<bony>jaakko, even this may be of some interest "Failed to open =/tmp/rm2mp3.12264/track.wav"
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16:23<hikenboot> <,--anyone know how to fix this enomalism ldap error
16:24<ranix>Hey folks, I have an off-topic question about programming with Xlib and X11 event handlers. What would be the best channel to look for help in?
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16:32<jaakko>bony: do you get the program name in the beginning of the error line?
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16:34<ranix> I'm looking in freenode's #xorg-dev
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16:35<bony>jaakko, this is the tail output of the command ./rm2mp3 /<dirname>
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16:37<jaakko>bony: ok, I think it is in options or the way they are given
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16:38<bony>jaakko, yeah i think if some how we can make the line $MPLAYER "$INPUTDIR/$filepath.rm" $MPLAYER_OPTS="$WAV" work properly we could get the solution
16:39<jaakko>bony: try to remove "=" from this MPLAYER_OPTS="-ao pcm:file="
16:39<bony>jaakko, if i do that i will not get the output file
16:39<jaakko>bony: only the last one
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16:39<jaakko>bony: it is twice there, as it is later again
16:39<bony>jaakko, let me check it
16:39<jaakko>bony: as you see here $MPLAYER_OPTS="$WAV"
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16:40<jaakko>bony: I think this is now wrong: -ao pcm:file=="$WAV" or is it correct to have = twice?
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16:43<bony>jaakko, ok first part cleared i got it. there were 2 = and yes -ao pcm:file=="$WAV" is wrong :-)
16:43<bony>but now there is a new problem
16:43<jaakko>bony: :)
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16:44<audiist>Who know dosbox?
16:44<jaakko>audiist: I have used
16:44<audiist>how i can edit autoexec?
16:44<qq>dserban: salut intra pe #sidux-fr , te rog
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16:45<jaakko>audiist: edit? vim autoexec?
16:45<bony>jaakko, can you check the output file this is a new problem i just updated the output file
16:45<audiist>i need auto mount & start Lines
16:46<audiist>cant write file say in dosbox
16:46<jaakko>audiist: I don't know those things, I just run qbasic programs in it.
16:46<audiist>i can`t md
16:48<audiist>on dosbox site info: edit dosbox.conf
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16:48<audiist>in my debian i can`t find this file
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16:50<jaakko>bony: do you have this dir "/media/songs/"?
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16:50<jaakko>bony: I think it tries to write there, but missing directory (wrong path)
16:50<audiist><jaakko> you always mount dos directory by your hand? or auto?
16:50<bony>jaakko, yes its there
16:51<jaakko>audiist: by hand, I don't use it that often.
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16:51<bony>jaakko, ok got it the user has no permissions to write to this folder
16:51<jaakko>bony: ok
16:51<bony>jaakko, let me check with changing the directory to a proper one
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16:53<jaakko>audiist: did you read "man dosbox"?
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16:53<jaakko>audiist: you can tell it to run .cmd or .exe
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16:53<bony>jaakko, yes at last i got it hurrey
16:53<jaakko>bony: :)
16:53<bony>jaakko, i will update the code in the forum
16:53<bony>jaakko, thanks a lot
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16:53<jaakko>bony: what forum is it?
16:54<audiist>how i can?
16:54<jaakko>audiist: dosbox myfile.cmd
16:55<audiist><jaakko>do you have readme for dosbox?
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16:55<jaakko>audiist: I suppose there is some file as this is debian
16:55<audiist>in what place i must put file for dosbox?
16:56<jaakko>audiist: I think it does not matter, you give the path when starting dosbox
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17:00<audiist>not work
17:00<audiist>what your version dosbox?
17:00<jaakko>audiist: what is the error?
17:01<audiist>nothing. dosbox start empty
17:02<audiist>i give for dosbox full path start exe
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17:02<audiist>without mount, cd, etc
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17:08<jaakko>audiist: is mount a dos command?
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17:10<jaakko>audiist: did you try "dosbox -f conffile"?
17:11<jaakko>audiist: if you are givin dosbox commands you should give them somewhere else, not .bat (which is dos file)
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17:12<Tuplad>is there anyway to upload a file to the web through console ?
17:12<coldx>you mean using ftp?
17:12<Tuplad>if that's an option
17:13<coldx>yea, than it's possible, but you need a ftp server where you can store those files
17:13<Tuplad>I want to get a file online, but I dont have graphics :} and cant upload stuff on rapidshare through lynx/w3m because of no Js support
17:13<Tuplad>yes I have one
17:14<coldx>ok, than in console type ftp
17:14<coldx>it should ask for login and pass...
17:15<Tuplad>logged in
17:15<Tuplad>I think I got it
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17:15<Tuplad>I did put /path/file.mp3 file.mp3
17:15<coldx>did it work?
17:15<Tuplad>I think so
17:15<Tuplad>I think it's still uploading ?
17:16<jaakko>coldx: everythin works on Tuplad :-o
17:16<Tuplad>coldx: 4468863 bytes sent in 72.60 secs (60.1 kB/s)
17:16<Tuplad>jaakko: :D
17:16*Tuplad waves to jaakko
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17:21<nuclear>hello guys...i installed debian 64 bit on this machine last do i check what version is installed on it?
17:22<audiist>not work
17:22<audiist>i am stupid
17:22<coldx>nuclear try uname -a
17:22<oxymor00n>nuclear: cat /etc/debian_version or what do you mean?
17:22<path>cat /etc/debian_version ?
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17:23<audiist>dosbox -f /home/galina/doslines/lines
17:23<rosa>hi, debian users
17:23<nuclear>ok so i tyoed in "cat /etc/debian_version"
17:23<nuclear>and it says 4.0
17:23<audiist>mount d /home/galina/doslines
17:23<nuclear>is there anyway i can just upgrade to the newst distribution?
17:24<audiist>this configfile
17:24<nuclear>i know how to do it on ubuntu
17:24<nuclear>but not in debian
17:24<Shu>sudo apt-get upgread ?
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17:24<audiist>but NOT work!
17:24<coldx>audiist are you trying to mount a partition?
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17:25<witte>nuclear: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade you to the version in /etc/apt/sources.list
17:25<audiist>not partition
17:25<audiist>i need tell dosbox to start dos programm
17:26<coldx>oo, well i cant help you with that :(
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17:32<sysop4>does anyone know where iceweesel stores it cookies?
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17:33<avtobiff>sysop4, hot guess would be .mozilla or .firefox
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17:35<oxymor00n>in the cookie jar!
17:35<avtobiff>i the cookie monster?
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17:51<sysop4>avtobiff, nope no cookies in .mozilla/firefox
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17:51<qq>dserban: salut
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17:51<sysop4>ok found it
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17:52<avtobiff>sysop4, where were they?
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18:00<nuclear>hey guys
18:01<nuclear>so i've tried to install debian and ubuntu on this 64-bit intel xeon machine several times and several versions
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18:01<nuclear>each time whenever i go to any internet browser....after a while the computer gets stuck....i can move my mouse...the cursor on the mouse doesn't change...but i can't do anything not even alt+crt+backsapce
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18:02<nuclear>anyone have any idea what is going on?
18:03<path>did you try changing the browser?
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18:04<pinto3>maybe your ram is damaged
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18:04<nuclear>you think so
18:05<nuclear>it only does this with web browsers though
18:05<pinto3>then probably not
18:05<nuclear>i mean i could check my there some sort of RAM testing utilitly i can i could use?
18:06<pinto3>apt-cache search memtest
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18:07<jMCg> This looks wrong to me.
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18:16<chealer>nuclear: yes (memtest86)
18:18<witte>jMCg: it is in /lib/ on my pc
18:18<jMCg>witte: point being, it exists, yes, but dpkg doesn't know whom it belongs to.
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18:20<witte>jMCg: /usr/lib/ is a link to /lib/, and dpkg knows in which package that is
18:20<nuclear>chealer, but its a 64-bit processor
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18:21<jjmiv>what's going on everyone
18:21<witte>jMCg: wait, i misread
18:21<jMCg>witte: yes, I know. But why doesn't it know where the link belongs to? mmh.. maybe it's created in post-install?
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18:21<witte>jMCg: it points to on my pc
18:21<chealer>nuclear: x86 is not only 32-bit. and most 64-bit CPU-s support 32-bit compatibility mode anyway.
18:22<nuclear>i just installed memtest86
18:23<nuclear>how do i run it?
18:23<jMCg>witte: Indeed, indeed. I forgot about that hack.
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18:23<nuclear>chealer, how do i run memtest86?
18:23<nuclear>chealer, there is no man page for it?
18:23<jMCg>witte: do you have libncurses5-dev installed?
18:24<chealer>nuclear: did you install it?
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18:24<chealer>nuclear: does it contain any documentation?
18:24<nuclear>i dunno
18:24<nuclear>i typed in "apt-get install memtest86"
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18:25<nuclear>and it installed
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18:26<witte>jMCg: yes i have
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18:26<nuclear>chealer, what do i type to run memtest86
18:27<chealer>nuclear: does memtest86 contain any documentation?
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18:28<witte>jMCg: but i have found the following: -> -> -> /lib/
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18:28<witte>jMCg: the first 3 are in /usr/lib
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18:28<witte>jMCg: and the first is instead of 6 of course
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18:31<jMCg>witte: great thanks.
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18:35<dirge>anyone know if there's a driver for an ati radeon integrated x1200 video card? the best solution i've found is the fglrx driver, which doesn't seem to work for my card. i'm running etch.
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18:52<Honksu>I tried to netints 4.0r3 -> latest Lenny -> Lenny beta1 but their drivers didn't support my hardware. Then I tried these to get working intel ICH9 sata controller driver. But they didn't help be neither. Is it true that 2.6.24 kernel doesn't work Intel ICH9 sata controller? It detects the hardware but is unable to set right speed for device. So there is a bug in 2.6.24?
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18:54<andrewsw>Honksu: so it detects it and it works, just not as fast as you like? or it doesn't detect at all?
18:54<andrewsw>work at all, that is.
18:55<Honksu>It detects hardware but driver fails to detect speed and kernel resets driver and tries again few times.
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18:56<Honksu>It tries to load the driver 4 times and then it finally resets the driver and doesn't load it. :(
18:56<andrewsw>this is the installer that does this?
18:56<andrewsw>or the kernel after installation
18:57<Honksu>No. Kernel before installation. And when installation should do the partitioning it asks me to choose driver to load for my HDD.
18:57<Honksu>And they doesn't work.
18:58<Honksu>It should be ati_piix driver or any other piix driver but they doesn't work.
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18:58<andrewsw>I see stuff on google that claims 2.6.23 works with ich9, so it 2.6.24 *doesn't* work that's a regression that should be reported.
18:58<andrewsw>but installers don't always work with hardware that is supported post-install...
18:59<Honksu>2.6.23 and 2.6.24 doesn't work
18:59<Honksu>they should but there might a bug or something... i don't know...
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19:00<andrewsw>I'm reading stuff from 2007(late) claiming that SATA ICH( is supported in 2.6.21 and 2.6.23.
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19:01<andrewsw>I know it doesn't help to say "these folks can do it..."
19:01<andrewsw>what motherboard?
19:02<Honksu>ABIT IP35-E
19:02<Honksu>should have latest bios
19:02<Honksu>I just read that 2.6.19-rc6 has intel ich9 support :(
19:03<andrewsw>maybe installer images are tracked on snapshot?
19:05<Honksu>I didn't get you.
19:05<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
19:05<Honksu>Newer BIOS updates only CPU micro code.
19:05<andrewsw>yeah, he's tried that
19:06<Honksu>This sucks you know...
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19:06<andrewsw>so Honsku, it may be that although the hardware is supported by the kernel, it's not actually supported by the installer. You may have luck instlling using some alternate method (debootstrap for example)
19:07<abrotman>doesn't the ich9 have a legacy mode or anyhting in the bios?
19:07<Honksu>how does debootstrap work?
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19:07<Engywuck>fine, thanks for asking
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19:07<Honksu>i'll chack the bios just a moment...
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19:08<andrewsw>essentially what I'm suggesting is you install to the harddrive with the harddrive in another machine. That would allow you workaround the installer not recognizing the hardware. Then stick the disk back in the right machine and see what happens.
19:08<Engywuck>btw: that was the answer when some star trek techno-guy was asked in interview how the flux generator (or sth like that) worked...
19:09<andrewsw>Honksu: debootstrap info:
19:10<andrewsw>it's a pretty common way to work around buggy installers.
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19:12<Honksu>There was no such thing in bios.
19:13<Honksu>I'll do it with my mates computer if he has 64bit cpu.
19:14<andrewsw>no promises that will work, but it might.
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19:15<witte>hello, anyone knows what is the problem when you can print pdf files from acroread, but not from evince?
19:15<Honksu>It is just odd that it doesn't work with 2.6.24...
19:15<witte>i got this sorted out once before, but i can't remember how
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19:20<joe>hi people
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19:21<Guest160>whos gust 160 me? first timer on here 33 bk,ny
19:22<Guest160>i guess i could stop traffic
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19:22<Honksu>I don't get you.
19:22<Guest160>it was a expression no 1 was talking
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19:24<chealer>Honksu: how do you know that 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 don't work
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19:30<Honksu>chealer: I tried those images:
19:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:31<Honksu>monday sucks!
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19:32<andrewsw>just wait 'til tomorrow... ;)
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19:32<Honksu>It doesn't change abything.
19:35<Valternaz>fuck you
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19:36<andrewsw>that was unfortunate.
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19:37<andrewsw>Honksu: now I'm worried. I've got a P35 mobo sitting here waiting for install...
19:38<andrewsw>but I don't need SATA yet... no $ for new disks...
19:38<Honksu>I have ASUS P5B SE in closet waiting for buyer.
19:40<Honksu>I am totally confused bacause almost newest kernel doesn't have working driver for intel ich9 controller.
19:42<Honksu>I am going to bed.
19:42<Honksu>Good night.
19:43<Honksu>I ahve 5 hours to sleep before lecture.
19:43<Honksu>Man I am stupid.
19:43<andrewsw>giving lecture or listening to lecture?
19:43<andrewsw>'cuz if you're watching it, you can always sleep through it ;P
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19:43<Honksu>if I am not going to listen I can as well be in my bed sleeping
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19:44<andrewsw>Honksu: everything I'm reading suggests it should work, so you may just be in a corner-case
19:44<andrewsw>or in the unlucky position of having an installer that's just buggy. :(
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19:44<Honksu>heh it's border case in finland :D
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19:45<Honksu>Well I have tried 5 images and thay have had 4 installers and 5 or 4 kernels.
19:46<andrewsw>sorry to hear that. Try posting to debian-user in case there is some insight there, and to debian-install(er?) as well.
19:47<andrewsw>^ that's it...
19:47<witte>ok, there is no debian boot thing in dpkg, but, there is #debian-boot
19:47*andrewsw should learn about dpkg is he's gonna hang outhere
19:47<Supaplex>it's on freshmeat/oftc etc
19:48<andrewsw>(dpkg the bot, not the program, that is...)
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19:48<Honksu>andrewsw: You mean #debian-user and #debian-boot
19:48<andrewsw>sure, though in reality I meant the mailing lists...
19:48<witte>Honksu: debian-user is a mailing list
19:49<dpkg>methinks is a mailing list for general debian questions/discussions.
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19:56<oza>I'm having some trouble wiht my timezone it wont set it and make the file/etctimezone
19:56<oza>what am i missing
19:57<witte>oza: tzselect?
19:58<oza>yeah tzselect is there
19:58<oza>but not tzconfig
19:58<oza>and i set the timezone and then i use ntp server to sync time and it stuff up the time
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19:58<andrewsw>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata?
19:58<oza>when both servers are on same timezone but the second server doens't save the timezone information
19:59<oza>awsome thanks
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20:17<Aleric>501 Syntactically invalid HELLO argument(s)
20:18<Aleric>it needs an argument :p
20:18<danny_>trying to do apt-get install ipw3945d
20:18<mtcw2>just testing sorry
20:19<amphi>Aleric: no it doesn't
20:19<danny_>and I get Selecting previously deselected package ipw3945d.
20:19<danny_>(Reading database ... 90460 files and directories currently installed.)
20:19<danny_>Unpacking ipw3945d (from .../ipw3945d_1.7.22-4_i386.deb) ...
20:19<danny_>Setting up ipw3945d (1.7.22-4) ...
20:19<danny_>chown: `Debian-ipw3945d:Debian-ipw3945d': invalid group
20:19-!-danny_ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
20:19<Aleric>amphi: I guess my mailserver is wrong then
20:20<amphi>Aleric: never mind
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21:03<Danny>I am having trouble installing ipw3945d using apt-get install the message states invalid goup dpkg: error processing ipw3945d (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
21:03<witte>Danny: paste your complete error in a pastebin
21:03<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:03<witte>Danny: if you paste to much here, you will be kicked :-)
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21:08<Danny>I pasted it
21:08<witte>Danny: which debian version are you using?
21:09<witte>Danny: that is the kernel, but given that kernel, i guess you have debian stable/etch?
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21:11<witte>Danny: there shouldn't be any bugs in stable :(
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21:13<abrotman>witte: RC bugs you mean
21:14<abrotman>Danny: just create the group by hand
21:14<witte>abrotman: it does not install after apt-get isntall
21:14<witte>Danny: addgroup --system --gid 118 Debian-ipw3945d
21:15<witte>abrotman: if it does not install using apt-get, would that not classify as a RC bug?
21:16<witte>Danny: and the "--gid 118" is not even needed i think (i just took the number that was created on my system)
21:17<abrotman>witte: wipe the system and reproduce? :)
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21:18<witte>abrotman: mmm, you are right, just installed it on my fileserver to see if it would install there, and it does without problems...
21:19<abrotman>thought as much
21:19<witte>abrotman: can non-free packages also form rc candidates?
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21:21<witte>abrotman: i mean rc bugs of course
21:21<abrotman>sure ..
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21:28<Danny>witte: now I get a not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded message
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21:29<witte>Danny: do you have the firmware?
21:30<witte>!tell Danny about ipw3945
21:30<witte>Danny: do the thing dpkg just told you, and it should be ok...
21:32<libervisco>Anyone knows how can I fix the problem of too big fonts on Firefox and Thunderbird?
21:32<libervisco>I have fonts set up nicely across the whole system, both KDE and GTK.. and xorg.conf has the correct DPI.. but these mozilla's apps keep defying
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21:37<janrocks>firefox can be set from the preferences.. don't know about TB
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21:50<reines>how do i list all packages that i have installed?
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21:51<witte>reines: dpkg -l
21:51<witte>reines: for what do you need it?
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21:52<reines>i'm making a pastebin to post here.. my sound doesn't work :(
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21:52<witte>reines: tried alsaconf (part of the alsa-utils package)
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21:55<reines>the prob is that i can't find a d**n driver :(
21:56<reines> << uname -a and lspci
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21:59<witte>reines: that should be the snd-intel8x0
21:59<witte>reines: source
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22:01<encryptz>does anyone know why is soooooo slow getting the diff files, but when it actually downloads the debs, it's snappy as hell?
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22:02<encryptz>i would say i get 10KB/s for the diffs, but 950KB/s for the debs
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22:05<reines>witte: do you know the driver for my audio?
22:05<libervisco>god damn it how many times will iceweasel crash?
22:05<witte>reines: did you try snd-intel8x0
22:08<gef>libervisco, n+1
22:08<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>libervisco: Alot?
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22:08<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>libervisco: Try.... Epiphany!!
22:08*GhostlyDeath|Laptop does an evil laugh
22:08<libervisco>Here is to everyone who keeps saying how sid is more stable than Ubuntu
22:08<reines>witte: what is the package name for that driver?
22:09<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>libervisco: who said that?
22:09<witte>reines: that is a kernel module
22:09<rrm>Epiphany is awesome... and i used to use firefox alot
22:09<libervisco>Gnash doesn't work (as if it doesn't exist) even though about:plugins shows it
22:09<witte>reines: modprobe snd-intel8x0
22:09<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>libervisco: Use testing instead
22:09<libervisco>but when I go to youtube and click a random link it crashes before yo can say c
22:09<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>rrm: yeah, same
22:09<witte>libervisco: works for me
22:09<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Firefox got too bloated
22:10<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>so I said to hell with it
22:10<reines>witte: i don't have to reboot...?
22:10<rrm>usually the more popular the less intrested in the core of the project
22:10<witte>reines: try now alsamixer
22:10<rrm>does anyone what was going on today... was down?
22:10<witte>reines: make sure the sound is not set to mute
22:10<reines>witte: priv
22:11<Hideo>it's April fool!
22:12<janrocks>my iceweasel is stable
22:12<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I use testing
22:12<janrocks>watch out for the gnome-support package
22:13<janrocks>caused me problems on etch
22:13<encryptz>anyone know why getting the .pdiffs would go so damn long?
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22:23<rrm>iceweasel is quite unstable under testing... i did get some crashes and some hangs... really odd
22:24<libervisco>heh it crashes on closing a tab..
22:24<libervisco>testing is too old for me.. might as well run ubuntu then.. I was recommended sid by a friend who believes that sid isn't as unstable and runs it himself..
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22:24<janrocks>strange... it's working flawlessly on a testing machine here
22:25<rrm>i think that after 2.0 firefox the stability went bye bye... even in windows
22:25<janrocks>could it be something to do with the flashplayer plugins?
22:25<rrm>i have a habit to had 10+ tabs and even IE kinda works ok, but slow
22:25<Hideo>it's working fine on sid here, except for an occasional really rare site that crashes it
22:25<witte>libervisco: why do you need such bleeding edge software, and can't live with the possibility that it is unstable?
22:26<rrm>witte: i was like him too but went back to full etch and some backports, but sid is quite unstable
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22:26<rrm>testing is ok, but some are not
22:26<janrocks>now the libc6 problems with testing have been fixed i may upgrade.. etch has never been right
22:27<witte>rrm: i use unstable on several machines, but not my computer at work.
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22:27<janrocks>did find that if you have a stick of ram that is on the way out iceweasel will find it and crash with a segfault
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22:28<janrocks>as will mozilla
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22:28<janrocks>everything else seems unaffected
22:28<libervisco>witte: it's the trends.. and besides, this whole business of latest *released* (not beta) software not being stable is still a bit on the odd side, even after years of using GNU/Linux..
22:29<witte>libervisco: unstable is not released
22:29<libervisco>I mean, if a guy released a particular piece of software on his site as the latest *release* then that's it.. install and go.. no classifications
22:29<libervisco>as stable, unstable blah
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22:29<witte>libervisco: testing is not released
22:29<janrocks>stable is and should be right
22:29<libervisco>I'm not talking about the distro..
22:29<rrm>the individual software
22:29<witte>libervisco: if you want stability, use etch, if you want bleeding edge, live with the consequences
22:29<rrm>exact witte
22:30<janrocks>libervisco: same thing isn't it
22:30<libervisco>and there's nothing in between?
22:30<janrocks>apps from stable may not work with upstream and vice versa
22:30<witte>libervisco: yes, do something about it :-), you can always help
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22:31<libervisco>ubuntu seems to be in between, but by now I feel this weird... frustration.. that every time I try to switch over from ubuntu to something else I find myself thinking of going back..
22:31<witte>libervisco: testing generally is quite ok, has few bugs, and is unstable with 10 days delay
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22:32<witte>libervisco: ubuntu just uses debian unstable and takes different branding
22:32<libervisco>they meddle and patch stuff too..
22:33<Hideo>wait, are you here to argue for ubuntu?
22:33<witte>libervisco: yes, but the differences are quite small
22:33<libervisco>anyway.. I spent a day installing stuff and customizing my install.. I don't wish to end it now :S
22:33<libervisco>and it's sid
22:33<libervisco>hard to go back to testing now
22:33<witte>libervisco: there is no way to downgrade anyhow
22:34<witte>and i run unstable now for years, it is quite doable
22:34<libervisco>anyway, question, how do you get gnash to work?
22:34<Hideo>aye, me too, 5+ years
22:34<libervisco>I installed all gnash packages I could find..
22:34<witte>libervisco: and you can install firefox 3 as well, it should be better (it is only in experimental, even worse than unstable ;-))
22:34<libervisco>and about:plugins shows it
22:35<libervisco>witte: yeah, the guy who recommended sid also recommended experimental :P
22:35<witte>libervisco: i do not recommend sid or experimental
22:35<libervisco>but experimental is not the "upstream" (or what's the proper term) so nothing to dist-upgrade to (it's like backport right?)
22:36<witte>libervisco: don't do experimental, unless you are very sure what you are doing, and don't come and complain here if it doesn't work
22:36<libervisco>well he rather suggested it.. and did say it's more stable than ubuntu :P
22:36<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference, or
22:37<libervisco>I guess we're just having a bit of a perspectives clash.. he's a dev so he does know what he's doing.. I'm just, let's say an "experienced" user, but don't have much patience with breaks and fixing stuff :P
22:37<witte>libervisco: well, i would doubt that, i don't like ubuntu, but experimental is worse than ubuntu
22:37<libervisco>well, experimental sure must be...
22:39<libervisco>anyway, is there anything else I need to do to enable gnash after installing packages?
22:39<witte>libervisco: normally not
22:39<libervisco>does youtube work with gnash in sid?
22:39<witte>but gnash does not yet support all flash types
22:39<libervisco>(or should it)
22:39<dpkg>hmm... gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project.
22:39<Aristocles>doesn't flash use mp3 format for sound?
22:40<witte>libervisco: i don't know, i use the adobe flash player
22:40<libervisco>I heard that the latest version, which is in sid, does support youtube.. and is still telling me to get adobe flash..
22:40<libervisco>so something's missing somewhere..
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22:41<ccesar>hi world
22:42<Hideo>libervisco: try /usr/share/doc/packagename/README*
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22:43<libervisco>Hideo: there's no readme in /usr/share/doc/gnash
22:43<Hideo>anything in there that's of use?
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22:44<witte>gnash-common: /usr/share/doc/gnash-common/README.gz
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22:59<coldx>hey guys, i need some help, i keep getting ... Module not found when trying to run a game using wine
22:59<coldx>you know what might be wrong?
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23:01<witte>coldx: wine is quite limited
23:01<janrocks>missing dll or active x component
23:01<janrocks>and wine of course
23:01<coldx>what can use instead?
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23:02<witte>coldx: native linux games
23:02<coldx>yea :)
23:03<ranix>why are native linux games so difficult to make anyway
23:03<ranix>I'm a novice C programmer at best and I'm doing stuff in xlib with Cairo in vim no problem
23:04<ranix>vim + gcc + manpages is way better than msvc with the microsoft foundation class library documentation
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23:04<janrocks>sometimes you can get something running by getting a set of the system32 dir off a windows machine that the game is working on
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23:06<libervisco>looks like the crashes have been caused by a conflict.. I had both gplflash and gnash installed :S
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23:16<jla>Is there a program that can make a linux kernel .config based on the current hardware?
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23:19<undefined>can somebody who has cupsys-bsd (or cupsys-client) 1.3.6-3 verify the output of `file /usr/share/man/man1/lprm.1.gz` (or `file /usr/share/man/man8/accept.8.gz`)?
23:20<undefined>1.3.6-3 is the current version in unstable & testing (as reported by my apt-cache)
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23:25<undefined>here's what i'm seeing for those two files (and hte other manpages in the respective packages, cupsys-bsd & cupsys-client): troff or preprocessor input text
23:27<undefined>man handles the mismatch between extension (gz) and content (text) just fine
23:27<undefined>but the weekly man2html cron job doesn't
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23:30<kapil>undefined: you are right. please report as a bug (probably against cupsys source).
23:32<undefined>thanks for hte confirmation
23:32<undefined>i don't see it in hte build logs for amd64
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23:32<undefined>an excerpt from the amd64 build logs: Compressing 50.4%
23:33<undefined>but it appears that i386 wasn't built by a buildd
23:33<undefined>so it might be an isolated problem (uploader's build environment)
23:33<undefined>kapil: thanks for hte confirmation
23:34<kapil>undefined: in that case file a bug agains the maintainer's build environment :) just kidding!
23:34<undefined>kapil: ;)
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23:35<kapil>looks like this can be fixed by a binary NMU since the source is "pukka".
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23:46<neil_>Hi, I am curious if anybody here knows how to get opengl working for ubuntu in VirtualBox?
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23:47<blarson>!tell neil_ about ubuntu
23:47<neil_>blarson, woops i thought i was in #ubuntu. sorry about that. lol
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