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00:24<twb>How can I search a subset of wnpp bugs (e.g. just ITPs) using e.g. bts, *without* downloading the whole (very large) wnpp page?
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00:25<twb>Ah, http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ links right to such subsets
00:26<twb>...which unfortunately has no ITP entry
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01:12<thundercles>???
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01:18<philip>hello
01:18<thundercles>hello
01:18<thundercles>I'm actually getting assistance in the freenode #debian right now, but I'll holler if I need more, thanks :-D
01:19<philip>guys anyone knows where is a good site tutorials for setting up a mail server in Debian? like postfix or qmail rock. Which one is more better for newbie
01:19<dondelelcaro>philip: postfix
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01:20<philip>ok anyone knows the good site for postfix steb by step guide to put up mail server?
01:21<thundercles>wow dondelecaro you are here too
01:21<thundercles>:-P
01:21<thundercles>when you installed debian did you choose "mail server" as one of the installation options?
01:21<thundercles>cause that will make it easier
01:22<dondelelcaro>philip: aptitude install postfix; pretty much as simple as that.
01:22<philip>ahh ok, but what if i just only got debian NET
01:22<thundercles>debian NET?!
01:22<thundercles>you mean the netinstall?
01:22<philip>yes
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01:22<dondelelcaro>philip: the same answer applies; just install postfix;
01:22<thundercles>that should have still had the installation options
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01:23<alaya>hi there. what is the way to set apt preferences so that experimental is available but not used unless somehow explicitly chosen?
01:23<thundercles>yeah apt-get update
01:23<thundercles>apt-get install postfix
01:23<jm_>!preferences
01:23<weasel>alaya: that's the default.
01:23<dondelelcaro>alaya: experimental isn't used unless explicitely chosen by default
01:23<philip>is there any script that i could run and everything is already setup ang its a matter of conficgurations settings only that im going to change
01:23<jm_>alaya: more info here http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning
01:23<alaya>dondelelcaro, jm_ ok, so i can just throw the line in sources.list, no need for pinning magic?
01:24<dondelelcaro>alaya: yes.
01:24<dondelelcaro>(though in theory, you probably should know about all of that before using experimental)
01:24<thundercles>lmao
01:24<weasel>apt pinning sucks anyway
01:24<thundercles>yeah, you wanna be careful mixing like that, it could screw up your dependancies
01:24<dondelelcaro>weasel: it's fun to do some complicated stuff with
01:24<alaya>dondelelcaro: out of curiousity, how does it do that? because if for example a higher version of package foo is available, normally it will want to upgrade.
01:24<dondelelcaro>alaya: man apt_preferences;
01:24<weasel>dondelelcaro: it's always complicated. no matter what you want to do.
01:25<weasel>and it breaks every now and then.
01:25<dondelelcaro>weasel: oh, that's definetly true
01:25<philip>is there any script for postfix mail sever that i could run and everything is already setup ang its a matter of conficgurations settings only that im going to change
01:25<thundercles>when you install it, it will prompt for setup instructions
01:25<dondelelcaro>philip: you just install it. It's pretty simple.
01:26<thundercles>make sure your MX and everything is set up right for your domain tho
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01:26<philip>ok thanks i'll try
01:26<thundercles>I couldn't get that working all the way at my @home cable connection like I could all the other domain crap
01:26<alaya>fwiw the main reason for adding it is to try out kde4
01:27<thundercles>kde4 is out already?
01:27<n3ksus>Hey, i need a hand with make-kpkg, I need to install a module (i have got debian on an old laptop Thinkpad r40e) and i need to install the driver for ethernet bcm5700 and i dont understand the make-kpkg
01:27<thundercles>I'm out of the loop :-(
01:27<n3ksus>tg3 is not the right module
01:27<alaya>thundercles: check out /topic in #debian-kde
01:28<thundercles>eh, I'm trying to migrate to enlightenment anyways
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01:28<alaya>thundercles: is v.17 ready yet?
01:28<thundercles>yeah
01:28<thundercles>v.17 works good
01:28<thundercles>but I'd still use konqueror or nautilus for file browsing
01:28<thundercles>enlightenments file browser still needs some work
01:29<thundercles>actually, I installed a couple plug ins to the file browser that made it liveable
01:29<thundercles>but I'd still use nautilus or konqueror
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01:29<n3ksus>any1 able to help with my problem?
01:30<thundercles>yeah, what is it
01:30<n3ksus>Hey, i need a hand with make-kpkg, I need to install a module (i have got debian on an old laptop Thinkpad r40e) and i need to install the driver for ethernet bcm5700 and i dont understand the make-kpkg
01:30<dondelelcaro>n3ksus: you don't need to recompile or anything.
01:30<n3ksus>i need to change from tg3 to bcm5700
01:30<alaya>thundercles: plus there's the new kde file manager dolphin
01:30<n3ksus>but i dont get make-kpkg, i type make-kpkg and it says it's not a top lvl kernel....
01:31<thundercles>well you are trying to make a new kernel package, correct?
01:31<dondelelcaro>n3ksus: just get a newer kernel and load the b43 modules or whatever you need
01:31<alaya>d3lphin actually
01:31<n3ksus>hrmmm well brb gotta download it and transfer via CD
01:32<thundercles>try using a flash stick
01:32<thundercles>;)
01:32<thundercles>you can boot off them too
01:32<thundercles>I installed this debian booting off a flash stick
01:32<thundercles>I don't have a floppy drive in here, that's my usaul route :-(
01:32<Slydder>morning all
01:32<thundercles>morning, where are you?
01:32<thundercles>dondelelcaro
01:32<thundercles>you still there
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01:33<dondelelcaro>?
01:33<thundercles>hey
01:33<thundercles>I never bookmarked that bash posting site
01:34<thundercles>but would you be willing to use that and try and iron out this grub crap?
01:34<dondelelcaro>just ask questions with as much information as you can get and I or someone else will answer
01:34<thundercles>okay...
01:35<Slydder>yeah
01:35<Slydder>about 7:30
01:35<thundercles>where r u Slydder?
01:35<Slydder>in germany.
01:35<thundercles>ah
01:35<Slydder>not german though. lol
01:35<thundercles>for now I have FC8 installed on this raid0
01:36<thundercles>and I am fine using this drive's /boot as the /boot for FC8
01:36<dondelelcaro>thundercles: so add another grub stanza which boots using a kernel on the old /boot but sets the root to the new machine
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01:37<weasel>raid0!?
01:37<thundercles>yeah
01:37<weasel>stupid or just plain insanity? :)
01:37<thundercles>insanity :-D
01:37<thundercles>my hard drives don't go out that often
01:37<thundercles>this one I'm on now is like 8 years old
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01:38<thundercles>anything important will be backed up, I have a pretty solid backup routine
01:38<thundercles>but most of my HDs have been through pure hell and still work
01:38<thundercles>it's mobos that go out on me all the time
01:39<alaya>hmm looks like installing kde4 from experimental *will* actually mess things up, as it requires kdebase v.4
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01:42<thundercles>alright, trying that, brb
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01:54<n3ksus>im still having the same problem
01:55<n3ksus>what i have done was downloaded the .deb package of the driver installed it, then now it's in usr/src/modules/bcm5700
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01:57<n3ksus>any1 able to help?
01:57<jm_>man m-a
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02:02<n3ksus>well i ran "module-assist prepare" and half the stuff couldnt work because it cant connect to the web
02:03<jm_>m-a a-i foo
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02:04<maghettino>ciao
02:04<maghettino># gedit /usr/bin/xchat-firefox
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02:12<luckylin>anyone know why it takes a couple times logging off then back on to get my menus to work with compiz fusion?
02:13<luckylin>sorry i meant to ask that in #ubuntu
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02:18<n3ksus>okay that didnt work.... looking at the log "dh_clean: command not found"
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02:18<n3ksus>not sure if that has anything to do with it
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02:19<jm_>!b-e n3ksus
02:19<dpkg>n3ksus: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.
02:20<n3ksus>allright transfering the package to the lappy
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02:28<n3ksus>guess thats the thing when u do a net install?
02:28<n3ksus>not everything gets loaded that is needed?
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02:31<jm_>yes
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02:35<Slydder>is anyone else here having issues with resolvconf not saving settings correctly when entered in gnomes network settings?
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02:47<n3ksus>is there a way to "auto detetct and install" stuff that aint installed yet?
02:47<n3ksus>but i have in a file?
02:48<jm_>you can use file:// URIs with apt, but it expects a preoperly configured repository AFAIK
02:50<n3ksus>how do i do that?
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02:50<jm_>!repository howto
02:50<Juanchi>ayuda
02:50<dpkg>i heard repository howto is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
02:50<jm_>!es
02:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
02:50<Juanchi>alguien que hble español
02:50<Juanchi>??
02:50<Juanchi>=D
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02:51<Juanchi>ayuda
02:51<Juanchi>!
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02:52<n3ksus_>how do i do that?
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02:53<Juanchi>ayuda debian
02:53<Juanchi>!
02:53<Juanchi>?????
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02:54<Juanchi>r /join #debian-es
02:54<Juanchi>tanks
02:54<Juanchi>!
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02:55<baz>hi guys, trying to install tomcat5.5 on lenny, but aptitude wants to pull in a bunch of gcj stuff even though I have sun java 6 installed
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02:55<Guest196>am I missing something, or does debian tomcat insist on using gcj?
02:55<jm_>how did you install java?
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02:56<Guest196>jm_: aptitude install sun-java6-jdk
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02:56<Guest196>jm_: I have all the sun-java6-* installed
02:56<chealer>n3ksus_: what do you refer to with "that"?
02:57<jm_>Guest196: that should do since packages depend on gcj | java2-runtime
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02:58<Guest196>jm_: I agree. but aptitude-install java2-runtime says there's nothing to install
02:58<Guest196>and dpkg -l java2-runtime says it isn't installed
02:58<jm_>Guest196: it's a virtual package
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02:58<jm_>Guest196: i.e. check if you have something that provides it
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02:59<Guest196>jm_: yum, aptitude show java2-runtime says it's provided by gij, gij-4.1, gij-4.2, java-gcj-compat, sun-java5-jre, sun-java6-jre
02:59<Guest196>and I definitely have sun-java6-jre installed
02:59<chealer>Guest196: you're missing something, tomcat5.5 depends on libtomcat5.5-java, which depends on ant, which...
03:00<jm_>Guest196: how about if you say aptitude install tomcat... sun-java6-jre?
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03:01<Guest196>jm_: same output. it wants to bring in gcj-4.3-base and a bunch of gcj libraries
03:01<Guest196>chealer: yup. ant wants to install gcj too
03:02<jm_>Guest196: then find out which of its dependencies is responsible for it
03:02<Guest196>java -version gives the expected output, so the sun stuff is definitely installed
03:02<Guest196>dpkg -l sun-java6-* gives me "ii" next to all the packages too
03:02<dpkg>No packages found matching sun-java6-* gives me "ii" next to all the packages too
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03:02<Guest196>oops :)
03:02<Guest196>oh wel, I'll try hitting it with a brick
03:02<Guest196>thanks guys, gtg - bbl
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03:03<jm_>I checked quickly and they all seem to depend on java2-runtime, so it may be deeper dependency causing it
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03:08<n3ksus>«jm_» how do i get Aptitude to install from a certain file?
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03:09<jm_>n3ksus: /msg dpkg repository howto
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03:21<n3ksus>okay here is my problem.... libstcdc++ wants g++ installed to work and then g++ wants the other installed
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03:22<n3ksus>any idea what i can do there jm_
03:22<jm_>dpkg -i g++*deb libstdc++*
03:22<dpkg>package g++*deb libstdc++* is already installed
03:22<jm_>yes, many ideas
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03:24<n3ksus>cool thanks, Im learning heaps :D
03:25<n3ksus>same problem as before dh_clean: command not found
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03:26<jm_>did you install debhelper?
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03:27<n3ksus>dont seem think i did
03:28<jm_>!tell n3ksus -about search
03:28<n3ksus>i looked at it on the site but i didnt grab it
03:28<jm_>you need to use the lower search form
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03:31<Guest196>hmm looks like they all depend on java2-runtime
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03:31<Guest196>is there any way to force aptitude to acknowledge that this is actually installed?
03:32<jm_>it is installed if dpkg shows it as "ii"
03:32<Guest196>yeah it says 'un'
03:32<jm_>for?
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03:32<Guest196>for java2-runtime, sorry
03:32<jm_>well it's a virtual package
03:32<Guest196>but apt-cache showpkg java2-runtime says that it should be satisfied by sun-java6-jre
03:32<Guest196>which is 'ii'
03:33<jm_>try apt-rdepends
03:34<Guest196>jm_: on which pkg? asking about java2-runtime says that it depends on java2-runtime
03:34<Guest196>which isn't very helpful :)
03:34<jm_>Guest196: on whatever you are trying to install
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03:35<chealer>Gue: what do you refer to with "they"?
03:35<chealer>Guest196: what do you refer to with "they"?
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03:36<Guest196>chealer: tomcat5.5 and its dependencies
03:36<chealer>Guest196: they certainly don't, for example adduser
03:37<Guest196>chealer: s/its/some of its/
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03:38<Guest196>ah, this is interesting
03:38<Guest196>tomcat5.5 wants java-gcj-compat-dev
03:38<morgan`>hello
03:38<Guest196>which is bringing in the other gcj stuff
03:38<n3ksus>allright bcm5700 is a .ko so i "rmmod tg3" and then "insmod bcm5700" and it said its no such file/direcotry?
03:38<jm_>n3ksus: run depmod -a
03:39<Guest196>but packages.debian.org says that tomcat5.5 depends on java-gcj-compat-dev OR java2-runtime
03:39<Guest196>guess p.d.o is wrong
03:39<n3ksus>same thing
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03:39<chealer>Guest196: it's right
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03:40<Guest196>chealer: that makes no sense
03:40<chealer>Guest196: why?
03:40<Guest196>chealer: if it were right, then I wouldn't be having this problem
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03:40<n3ksus>depmod done it's thing and i cant insmod yet.... or am i doing it wrong?
03:40<Guest196>chealer: I definitely have sun-java6-jre installed, which p.d.o and apt-cache both say satisfies java2-runtime
03:41<pi-equiv>.
03:41<chealer>Guest196: you would. I already explained.
03:41<Guest196>chealer: and tomcat5.5 depends on java-gcj-compat-dev OR java2-runtime
03:41<Guest196>Guest196: so why is it trying to install java-gcj-compat-dev when java2-runtime should already be satisfied
03:41<chealer>Guest196: yes, and that's not the problematic dependency
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03:41<Guest196>chealer: please enlighten me then - I guess I missed it
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03:44<Guest196>chealer: if you're referring to what you said about libtomcat, that does depend on ant. But ant depends on java2-runtime and java-virtual-machine - no explicit gcj stuff
03:44<jm_>n3ksus: did you actually install resulting .deb file?
03:44<n3ksus>yep
03:44<chealer>Guest196: which Debian suite do you use?
03:44<Guest196>chealer: lenny
03:44<chealer>Guest196: I was referring to that?
03:45<jm_>paste the list of files in that package on some paste site
03:45<Guest196>13:59 < chealer> Guest196: you're missing something, tomcat5.5 depends on libtomcat5.5-java, which depends on ant, which...
03:45<Guest196>13:59 < chealer> Guest196: you're missing something, tomcat5.5 depends on libtomcat5.5-java, which depends on ant, which...
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03:45<Guest196>sorry double paste
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03:45<chealer>Guest196: I don't know - installing tomcat5.5 doesn't try installing java-gcj-compat-dev here.
03:45<n3ksus>brb
03:46<chealer>Guest196: sorry, brain bug - I meant "I was referring to that.", an affirmation, not a question.
03:46<Guest196>chealer: no problem. I'm stumped.
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03:47<Guest196>I guess it's not the end of the world if it gets installed, I can still use update-alternatives to make sure it uses Sun's VM
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03:47<chealer>Guest196: does it do that if you use Install-Recommends="false"?
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03:48<jm_>doh, forgot about that since I have disabled it in aptitude config file
03:49<Guest196>chealer: It does, yes
03:49<chealer>Guest196: please show the output
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03:51<Guest196>chealer: http://pastebin.com/df49dfad
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03:52<chealer>Guest196: I can't see java-gcj-compat-dev there
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03:53<Guest196>chealer: Good spot. Missed that, but I do see gcj-4.3-base, libecj-java-gcj, libgcj-common, libgcj9-0, libgcj9-0-awt, libgcj9-jar, etc
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03:54<Guest196>that suggests that it's still trying to install gcj
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03:55<chealer>Guest196: yeah, but for that part I already hinted you (although I didn't check every single one)
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03:57<Guest196>ok I guess I'll go ahead and install it then
03:57<Guest196>thanks for trying
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04:04<JustSoul>Kernel 2.6.24.-1 is stable or unstable? If stable, then why in changelog of that kernel: "linux-2.6 (2.6.24-4) unstable; urgency=low"?
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04:04<Supaplex>!tell JustSoul -about sid
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04:05<Supaplex>because it's a kernel that is/was in sid (and not stable/etch)
04:05<JustSoul>Supaplex: Now I see it in "testing" release
04:06<Supaplex>not to be confused with the mainline kernel stable or developers release
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04:06<Supaplex>if it lives in sid long enough w/o issues, it eventually gets pushed into testing
04:06<Supaplex>!testing
04:06<dpkg>hmm... testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages
04:07<chealer>JustSoul: what do you mean by "Kernel 2.6.24.-1"? Linux 2.6.24?
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04:09<JustSoul>chealer: linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 - package. I think it's contain linux kernel..
04:10<JustSoul>"linux-2.6 (2.6.24-4) unstable; urgency=low" - It is first line in changelog (shift+C) in aptitude
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04:12<chealer>JustSoul: "stable", "testing" and "unstable" in Debian jargon are names of the 3 main suites. "stable" doesn't mean that all packages in stable are stable in the general sense, and "unstable" doesn't mean that all packages in unstable are unstable in the general sense. the "unstable" in the changelog means that the version was uploaded to the unstable Debian suite.
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05:04<Honksu>I tried to netints 4.0r3 -> latest Lenny -> Lenny beta1 but their drivers didn't support my hardware. Then I tried these http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (2.6.23 and 2.6.24) to get working intel ICH9 sata controller driver. But they didn't help be neither. Is it true that 2.6.24 kernel has a bug in Intel ICH9 sata controller? It detects the hardware but is unable to set right speed for device(and kernel unloads the driver).
05:04<Honksu>How can I install? O_o
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05:07<jm_>really? I am about to buy ICH9 board
05:08<chealer>Honksu: ask #kernel
05:08<dondelelcaro>you may need to use pci=noacpi or similar
05:08*dondelelcaro seems to recall something along those lines solving the issues with ICH9
05:09<jm_>let's check the changelog
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05:13<Honksu>dondelelcaro: HAve you successfully installed with Intel ICH9 controller with that option?
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05:14<jm_>hmm nothing obvious (i.e. mentioning ICH9) in the changelog
05:15<Honksu>it it ati_piix or just piix driver which should support ICH9
05:15<dondelelcaro>Honksu: I believe so; I don't have the hardware that I think had that on hand anymore though.
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05:17<jm_>uhm ahci driver supports it
05:20<Honksu>jm_: Is it achi or ahci?
05:20<jm_>Honksu: ahci
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05:24<Honksu>OK
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05:24<Honksu>I have a pic which tells what happends when I am booting but #kernel might be better for thatö.ö
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05:25<jm_>post it on some public site
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05:26<Honksu>jm_: Any suggestions?
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05:26<jm_>Honksu: imgbay, imageshack
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05:27<Honksu>Oh! You ment that it is already on the net.
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05:28<Honksu>http://www.students.tut.fi/~honkanev/files/0.jpg
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05:31<pepin>hola
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05:32<andres>hola
05:32<pepin>yyyy
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05:33<jm_>Controller failed to respond to an active ATA command. This could be any number of causes. Most often this is due to an unrelated interrupt subsystem bug (try booting with 'pci=nomsi' or 'acpi=off' or 'noapic'), which failed to deliver an interrupt when we were expecting one from the hardware.
05:33<jm_>Honksu: ^^^^
05:35<Honksu>jm_: I give those commands when I boot with my installation CD and see debian logo? There was help button so maybe I can handle with this...
05:35<jm_>Honksu: yes
05:36<Honksu>OK I'll try it now.
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05:41<perse>hi, how can I copy or move files like this: ????-???.mp3 i assume, it cyrillic
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05:43<Hideo>perse: if it's individual file, you can try tab complete, if it's a bunch of files, *.mp3
05:44<perse>yes, i know. but i have a lot of them. many folders and so on
05:44<perse>to move folder, which includes such files
05:45<perse>i got error: invalid argument
05:45<Hideo>wait you want to move the directory, or the files?
05:45<perse>both
05:46<Hideo>are the directories in cyrillic also?
05:46<perse>no
05:46<Hideo>then you can move the dirs right?
05:46<Hideo>I don't quite get what you're trying to do
05:47<perse>no. bcs dir includes these files ???.mp3
05:47<Hideo>uh.... to move the dirs just do "mv /path/to/dir /anotherpath/to/newdir"
05:48<Hideo>you don't even have to touch the files
05:48<perse>and got error: invalid argument
05:48<Hideo>give a specific example of what you did
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05:54<Hideo>perse: ah maybe your directory have spaces in their names
05:55<Hideo>or some other crap
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06:10<alain>IDENTIFY
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06:11<avu>EXTERMINATE
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06:11<Honksu>jm_: More problems ahead...
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06:12<Honksu>I read some help guides and started installation with "install achi=off" and everything went fine until apt configuration started.
06:12<jm_>no it didn't say that
06:12<alain_mgiallu>Hello
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06:12<jm_>acpi=off pc=nomsi
06:12<jm_>and noapic
06:12<Honksu>My bad: install acpi=off
06:13<Honksu>Anyway it worked... The installation is on with my pc and I am on my room mates laptop now.
06:13<Honksu>Package manager can't connect to servers.
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06:14<Honksu>Installation found both of my network controllers and I configured one of them and installation was able to get host and domain names from the network.
06:14<jm_>you may have misconfigured your network
06:16<Honksu>I think that it got domain and host names from DNS server. So connection to internet is still down for some reason.
06:16<jm_>verify what ifconfig -a says
06:16<jm_>and netstat -nr
06:16<Honksu>installation is still in progress...
06:16<Honksu>i haven't completed it yet
06:17<Honksu>i swiched network cable to this computer to check out if there is proxy somewhere in the middle
06:18<Honksu>i just wonder that linux should have noticed that on it own if there was auto-proxy
06:18<jm_>no that only works for browsers
06:19<Honksu>I have to try once again to configure my network adapter. And then I havy try my other network adapter if it works.
06:19<jm_>better check what is going on instead of blind attempts
06:19<Honksu>so you suggest my to finnish installation?
06:20<jm_>absolutely
06:21<Honksu>i just check befaore that are those ftp's really online
06:21<jm_>maybe it's not even reaching your router
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06:28<perse>mv /dir /to/directory and got this error: cannot create file /to/directory/dir/????-???.mp3: invalid argument. what to do?
06:29<jm_>load appropriate charset module
06:30<perse>but if i dont know, which charset module it has?
06:33<jm_>it's your system, isn't it?
06:34<perse>no
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06:34<jm_>so ask the person who maintains it
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06:36<perse>ok. but how to overwrite mbr from /dev/zero? which bites sould dd overwrite?
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06:36<jm_>why do you need that?
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06:38<perse>invalid mbr, lilo, grub, nor win cant write it correctly
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06:39<jm_>grub doesn't care what's there
06:39<perse>yea, but which bites should i rewrite?
06:39<JustSoul>Hello. How to install debian on PC with dvd-rom on Marvell chipset or; Where I can find pata_marvell - module for 2.6.18 kernel (install disk)?
06:40<jm_>none, just reinstall grub
06:40<jm_>JustSoul: IDE?
06:40<JustSoul>jm_: yes,
06:40<perse>i tried, but grub doesnt work correctly
06:41<jm_>how should it work then?
06:41<jm_>JustSoul: why would you use pata_marvell then?
06:41<JustSoul>jm_: debian install doesn't find dvd-rom
06:41<perse>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda...?
06:42<jm_>that will overwrite your entire disk
06:42<jm_>JustSoul: check your BIOS, see if you have legacy mode or similar
06:42<JustSoul>strange mainboard, generic ide remaded to sata, and one ide slot is from Marvell chipset
06:42<perse>yes, but how many bites sould i add
06:42<jm_>512
06:43<jm_>JustSoul: usin pata_marvell things use libata so it's scd*, not hd*
06:43<Honksu>jm_: OK I am logged in now.
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06:43<JustSoul>jm_: I know. But there is no device that is dvd-rom
06:43<jm_>JustSoul: grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
06:44<JustSoul>emm
06:44<Honksu>jm_: How can I debug my network?
06:44<jm_>Honksu: ping your gateway, verify link status with ethtool
06:45<JustSoul>jm_: now I cannot test
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06:45<Honksu>gateway reached annd ethtool doesn't exist
06:46<Honksu>now I have network in both pc's :) i can't ping mbnet.fi with linux box but with this machine i can
06:47<Honksu>and mbnet.fi is not in my network
06:47<Honksu>it's in the internet
06:47<jm_>verify if name resolution works
06:48<Honksu>?
06:48<Honksu>resolve?
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06:49<jm_>host www.google.com
06:51<Honksu>host command not found
06:51<JustSoul>jm_: none
06:52<jm_>then ;ping www.google.com
06:53<JustSoul>jm_: strange mainboard, generic ide remaded to sata, and one ide slot is from Marvell chipset
06:53<jm_>JustSoul: uhm then check which modules are loaded
06:53<JustSoul>jm_: every that can load installer
06:53<Honksu>jm_: It doesn't reach google
06:54<jm_>Honksu: can it resolve its IP(s)?
06:54<jm_>JustSoul: what?
06:55<JustSoul>jm_: all modules are loaded
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06:55<jm_>JustSoul: that's impossible
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06:55<Honksu>jm_: no. it says nothing
06:55<JustSoul>jm_: that I can select from debian installer
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06:55<jm_>Honksu: getent hosts www.google.com
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06:56<jm_>JustSoul: well I need to know the names
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06:56<JustSoul>jm_: lsmod?
06:56<grub>hello guys
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06:56<jm_>JustSoul: yes
06:56<grub>i tried upgrading wine by adding the wine repos
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06:56<grub>but now i am in a mess, i get tons of dependency errors
06:56<grub>how do i remove wine completely
06:56<jm_>what wine repos?
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06:56<grub>http://winehq.org/site/download-deb
06:56<JustSoul>jm_: how I can redirect it from installer from remote PC?
06:57<grub>jm_, that one
06:57<jm_>JustSoul: is there nc on it?
06:57<jm_>grub: use dpkg
06:57<Honksu>that command did something and returned only bash
06:57<grub>jm_, dpkg --purge wine?
06:57<JustSoul>jm_: network? - yes
06:57<jm_>JustSoul: no, is there nc command on the d-i media?
06:57<jm_>grub: and everything else that was installed with it
06:58<Honksu>i tried to ping google with ip and it worked so my problem is DNS server
06:58<grub>jm_, ah, thanks a lot :)
06:58<jm_>Honksu: what does getent say?
06:58<JustSoul>jm_: what is d-i?
06:58<jm_>JustSoul: debian-installer
06:58<Honksu>jm_: Nothing it just ruturns bash after few secs
06:58<JustSoul>jm_: one moment (~10 min)
06:59<jm_>Honksu: ok so it doesn't work -- edit resolv.conf
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06:59<Honksu>jm_: Where is it? And how can I change DNS server?
06:59<jm_>Honksu: see above
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06:59<jm_>ohh /etc
07:03<Honksu>nameserver ip is wrong
07:03<Honksu>i gave wrong in the install but corrected it but it didn't change it anymore :(
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07:04<padski>Turion64 is that amd64 ?
07:04<jm_>Honksu: then your nameserver is either not replying or you can't reach it - can you ping it?
07:04<weasel>padski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turion64
07:04<Honksu>it works
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07:05<Honksu>what is command to proceed with installation?
07:06<Honksu>after installing from cd there is other configuration program when logged into system but it didn't autostart or si ti removed from new debians?
07:06<jm_>your installation is finished
07:07<Honksu>so next I just use apt to get what i want?
07:07<Gekz>whats this debian xfce cd I see in the etch repo?
07:07<jm_>yes
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07:10<OdyX>Gekz: a Debian xfce CD
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07:10<OdyX>Which contains the xfce packages in the first CD (instead of the best popcon scores)
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07:12<themill>!cd contents
07:12<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
07:12<Gekz>OdyX: so you still need the other cds?
07:13<OdyX>depends...
07:13<OdyX>if you can have internet connectivity, no...
07:13<Gekz>I dont
07:13<Gekz>>_>
07:13<Gekz>.not in this situation
07:13<OdyX>and generally, for a basic install, the first is enough.
07:13<Gekz>the government uses a proxy!
07:13<Gekz>woo
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07:14<Gekz>hrmm
07:14<Gekz>I dont even know what kind of proxy it is
07:15<Gekz>I know it blocks all ports except 80 and 443
07:15<OdyX>so that's internet connectivity...
07:15<OdyX>:-)
07:16<OdyX>you just need to be able to download for the machine being installed.
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07:16<OdyX>(http)
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07:19<OdyX>Gekz: it really depends on what you want to install on your machine.
07:19<OdyX>For basic use, CD1 should be enough... Choose your flavour (KDE, Gnome, XFCE) for desktop use...
07:19<Gekz>I want xfce clearly, and apache
07:19<Gekz>php, mysql, other assorted webbased servers
07:20<OdyX>without internet connectivity ?
07:20*OdyX doesn't get the point.
07:20<Gekz>intranet
07:20<Gekz>>_>
07:20<OdyX>hum.
07:20<Gekz>dont hurt me, i'm just setting it up for cash
07:20<OdyX>I'm not hurting you...
07:20<OdyX>:-=)
07:20<Gekz>lol
07:20<Gekz>not yet
07:20<Honksu>jm_: If I want to use testing which prefixes should I use in sources.list? testing main contrib ?THEN? non-free? non-US?
07:21<OdyX>your final machine can't get access to internet, it'll be some pain ...
07:21<jm_>Honksu: testing
07:21<jm_>non-us is gone
07:21<Gekz>OdyX: I already forseen such brainless circumstances
07:21<Gekz>OdyX: I plan to eventually bypass the proxy
07:21<Gekz>or tunnel through it
07:21<Gekz>right now, I dont know what kind of proxy it is
07:21<Gekz>and dont know how to find out :/
07:21<Honksu>jm_: testing main contrib?
07:21<OdyX>If you plan to use some "critical services" (apache, ...), you need to be able to download security updates..
07:22<OdyX>"must"...
07:22<jm_>Honksu: for example
07:22<Gekz>OdyX: if it has no access to the internet, it dosent matter
07:22<Gekz>lol
07:22<OdyX>not totally...
07:22<jm_>Honksu: contrib is more or less useless without non-free
07:23<OdyX>Gekz: well.. up to you.
07:23<JustSoul>jm_: hello again. There is nc command, but next problem is identify network-card - it's integrated =((.
07:23<Gekz>OdyX: seriously, its not mission critical
07:23<Gekz>if it dies, we go LOL
07:23<Gekz>and start again
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07:23<jm_>JustSoul: /msg dpkg which driver
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07:24<Honksu>jm_: And security?
07:24<JustSoul>jm_: debian-installer
07:24<jm_>!tell Honksu -about teting security
07:24<jm_>JustSoul: doesn't matter
07:24<Gekz>OdyX: soooo, which cds do I need xD
07:24<Gekz>or better yet, you could give me a link so I can work out how to abuse this proxy
07:24<OdyX>Gekz: Go to http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents and search the packages you want....
07:25<Honksu>!tell Honksu -about testing security
07:25<OdyX>Gekz: I assume you will have to burn all the CDs up to the biggest number you find...
07:25<Gekz>OdyX: but maaa
07:25<Gekz>oh wait
07:25<Gekz>wtf
07:25<Gekz>why dont I just make my own debian-installer
07:25<Gekz>lol
07:25<JustSoul>jm_: ok, i'll try. what next? what nc parameters?
07:25<Gekz>that would be so much easier
07:25<OdyX>Gekz: other solution is to provide an internet connection to the machine to be installed for just a while (time to download the packages you want)
07:26<OdyX>This is the easiest way...
07:26<Gekz>OdyX: I can't
07:26<jm_>JustSoul: command | nc host port, and on the other end: nc -l -p port
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07:26<OdyX>Gekz: you said you could go through 80 ...
07:26<Gekz>OdyX: IF i log in
07:26<Gekz>which I cant work out how to configure correctly
07:26<Gekz>because I cant work out what kind of proxy it is
07:26<Gekz>meaning I cant work out which ip or domain i have to enter
07:26<Gekz>lol
07:27<JustSoul>jm_: thx, what module you are looking, because I rewrite them on paper =)
07:27<Gekz>I have minimal experience with proxies
07:27<jm_>JustSoul: well whatever is used for ide/sata
07:27<OdyX>Gekz: set up your own machine as gateway for the "machine-to-be-installed"
07:27<Gekz>OdyX: ... you dont get it still
07:27<Gekz>lol
07:27<Gekz>they entire network is proxied
07:27<Gekz>the*
07:27<Gekz>there is no direct access possible
07:27<OdyX>Yeah...
07:28<OdyX>but _you_ and _your machine_ can download on port 80, no ?
07:28<Gekz>no
07:28<OdyX>Ok. bad then.
07:28<Gekz>because I cant configure my system to go through the proxy
07:28<OdyX>:-)
07:28<Gekz>I cant find any information on how to do it
07:28<Gekz>lol
07:28<Gekz>I can use a PAC file in firefox
07:28<Gekz>and get internet
07:28<Gekz>but thats about it
07:28<Gekz>:/
07:29<JustSoul>jm_: ata_piix, libata, ide_cd,cdrom,ide_disk,ide_generic,sc1200,piix,sd_mod,scsi_mod,generic,ide_core
07:29<OdyX>OK. Gekz... Do it the brute-force way : download all the CDs... :-)
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07:29<jm_>JustSoul: hmm did you check if you have legacy mode in bios?
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07:30<OdyX>or the DVDs
07:30<Gekz>OdyX: seriously, I'd be happier to not install anything at all and read something on how to use proxies xD
07:30<OdyX>;-)
07:30<Gekz>OdyX: dude, slow internet. 40KB/s
07:30<Gekz>it takes hours to get everything
07:30<Gekz>lol
07:30<OdyX>then buy them...
07:30<Gekz>sif,
07:30<OdyX>http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
07:30<Gekz>learn me the art of the proxy sensei
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07:30<jm_>!lol
07:30<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
07:30*OdyX does not know enough on proxies
07:30<JustSoul>jm_: no, ten moments...
07:30<OdyX>bwahahaha
07:31<jm_>there's http tunnel
07:31<jm_>httptunnel too
07:31<JustSoul>jm_: is there irc-client in d-i? =)
07:31<OdyX>but you still have to go through the proxy
07:31<jm_>JustSoul: nope
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07:31<jm_>that's why you would use http tunnel yes
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07:32<jm_>but if proxy supports http then it won't change from accessing things directly
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07:33<OdyX>yeah... that's what I meant to Gegz... but visibly, he has a weird proxy with weird way of permitting users..
07:33<jm_>probably just requires authentication
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07:39<JustSoul>now I know that it have ASUS p5-VM mainboard
07:40<Honksu>jm_: Thank you for your help!
07:40<jm_>Honksu: no worries
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07:42<jm_>JustSoul: p5k-vm?
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07:43<JustSoul>no p5b-vm
07:43<JustSoul>so I find in documents
07:44<jm_>yeah it has ICH and JMicron
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07:49<JustSoul>jm_: Can you help me? with that PC?
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07:49<JustSoul>How to install debian on it
07:49<jm_>JustSoul: did you check in BIOS by now?
07:50<jm_>sounds similar to GB board my bro has at work, there was the same problem
07:50<JustSoul>jm_: no, because it placed far from here.
07:50<jm_>JustSoul: well that's what I would do first
07:50<JustSoul>and I want to get more task, before I go there
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07:51<JustSoul>jm_: ten moments..
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08:04<JustSoul>jm_: no, it's native, but in legacy mode nothing changes
08:07<jm_>JustSoul: uhm it definitely changed for my bro
08:10<JustSoul>jm_: I think problem is in ide-controller that is not generic. About year ago (I am work here about 6 months), somebody install debian on same PC, and now it work with 2.6.20.1-1-686. and have pata_marvell module
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08:11<JustSoul>My boss said me he has much problems with that PC
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08:12<JustSoul>And now there is no chances to connect with him
08:12<jm_>JustSoul: just a sec
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08:14<sikrio>buenas
08:14<sikrio>este es el canal de freebsd?
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08:14<JustSoul>!es
08:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:15<weasel>JustSoul: for freebsd?
08:15<JustSoul>no
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08:15<JustSoul>=)
08:16<sikrio>sorry people
08:16<sikrio>i need help
08:16<sikrio>freebsd
08:17<OdyX>Freebsd in Debian ?
08:17<weasel>this is #debian.
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08:17<sikrio>oks
08:17<f0rsaken>hi all
08:17<sikrio>i am not the channel
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08:17<sikrio>what is the freebsd channel?
08:17<f0rsaken>does smb speak russian?
08:17<weasel>try #freebsd?
08:17<sikrio>nu
08:18<sikrio>nope
08:18<weasel>without the question mark?
08:18<weasel>Tue 14:17:54 [OFTC] !kilo.oftc.net Channel #freebsd? created by sikrio!~sikrio@190.78.152.181
08:18<seanius>lolz
08:18<f0rsaken>lol
08:18<weasel>(seriously!)
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08:18<f0rsaken>without)
08:18<JustSoul>sikrio: on freenode ##freebsd
08:18<sikrio>thx man
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08:19<sikrio>JustSoul thx
08:19<sikrio>xD
08:19<jm_>JustSoul: did you try loading jmicron module?
08:19<f0rsaken>can smb help me with beryl? after i turn it on, the screen turns white)
08:19<JustSoul>jm_: no
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08:19<JustSoul>sikrio: irc.freenode.org
08:19<JustSoul>ops..
08:20<JustSoul>late
08:20<weasel>it always was
08:20<ranix>didn't debian used to be on freenode
08:20<ranix>back in the day
08:20<f0rsaken>anybody alive here?)
08:21<hyd>yep
08:21<sound_heart>my debian laptop automatically and periodically black out its backlight, I have to close the lid, press ctrl+alt+f1 then ctrl+alt+f2 every several minutes, please help.
08:21<f0rsaken>i'll repeat my question)
08:21<f0rsaken> can smb help me with beryl? after i turn it on, the screen turns white)
08:21<sound_heart>ctrl+alt+f7, sorry.
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08:21<hyd>sound_heart: in X (kde ore something) or on text colsole?
08:22<ranix>f0rsaken: beryl is deprecated, use compiz-fusion
08:22<JustSoul>jm_: ten moments...
08:22<hyd>f0rsaken: dis you install 3D hardware drivers?
08:22<sound_heart>hyd, in xfce.
08:22<f0rsaken>yes
08:22<hyd>sound_heart: what happens when you just hit any key after this black screen?
08:23<sound_heart>hyd, nothing.
08:23<hyd>f0rsaken: can you move the cube with ctrl-alt+<cursor left/right>?
08:23<sound_heart>hyd, I can see the windows there, they are just very so dark.
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08:24<hyd>sound_heart: looks like disabled background lights... hm
08:25<sound_heart>hyd, the problem just showed up today, from nowhere.
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08:25<sound_heart>Is there anything that can be done about it?
08:26<hyd>sound_heart: maybe the power management is set this and linux (kernel) can not reset it. should be a FN-Key and on some F-key in many cases is a function to set the BG-Light by hand
08:26<hyd>perhaps this could help
08:27<sound_heart>hyd, no, I think I have tried the fn keys.
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08:29<hyd>sound_heart: my laptop screen also turns dark after 5 min. but a simple shift-key will woke it up. perhaps some other tool is running or the bios is doing this
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08:30<ulrich>hi all
08:31<sound_heart>hyd, not any key will wake it up, I am right now typing on a black screen.
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08:32<hyd>sound_heart: strange thing
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08:32<hyd>sound_heart: did you chanhe anything... kernel, packages or settings?
08:33<sound_heart>no, at least I did nothing special today.
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08:33<hyd>and when you close the laptop and open it again, the screen is light?
08:34<sound_heart>just some downloading, and watching a news podcast.
08:34<sound_heart>yes.
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08:34<sound_heart>hyd, no.
08:34<sound_heart>it is not.
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08:34<sound_heart>i just tried it.
08:34<hyd>what else turns the screen light again?
08:35<sound_heart>hit ctrl+alt+f1
08:35<hyd>hm... let me think about it
08:35<JustSoul>jm_: nothing changes
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08:36<hyd>sound_heart: what xorg driver (module) do you use? vesa or fbdev?
08:36<sound_heart>btw, the screen never light up when the lid is opened, since debian installation.
08:36<pooru>dpkg, pooru again re ntfs-3g. I can copy files to vista ntfs. I can rm files but can't mkdir nor mv nor rsync within ntfs.
08:36<sound_heart>hyd, I have no idea about that.
08:36<jm_>JustSoul: hmm
08:36<sound_heart>how can i check it out?
08:37<pooch>hey all
08:37<hyd>sound_heart: pls show me grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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08:38<pooru>I just upgraded to 2.6.24 kernel in hope it was problem as manual says operation not allowed is kernel problem.
08:39<sound_heart> Driver "kbd"
08:39<jm_>JustSoul: how about pata_jmicron?
08:39<sound_heart> Driver "mouse"
08:39<JustSoul>jm_: mb tomorrow
08:39<sound_heart> Driver "synaptics"
08:40<sound_heart> Driver "ati"
08:40<sound_heart>hyd, that's all.
08:40<hyd>ah ati driver, no problem so far
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08:40<tq|Memphis>hi all
08:41<jm_>JustSoul: yeah my bro is using pata_jmicron, just found out
08:41<hyd>sound_heart: you can try to change from ati to vesa just for testing this matter
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08:41<JustSoul>jm_: ok, but i'll try tomorrow
08:42<sound_heart>hyd, so how can that be done?
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08:43<sound_heart>sorry, I just don't know that much.
08:44<pooru> dpkg, pooru again re ntfs-3g. I can copy files to vista ntfs. I can rm files but can't mkdir nor mv nor rsync within ntfs. dpkg, pooru again re ntfs-3g. I can copy files to vista ntfs. I can rm files but can't mkdir nor mv nor rsync within ntfs. dpkg, pooru again re ntfs-3g. I can copy files to vista ntfs. I can rm files but can't mkdir nor mv nor rsync within ntfs.
08:44<hyd>sound_heart: mcedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
08:44<pooru>I just upgraded to 2.6.24 kernel in hope it was problem as manual says operation not allowed is kernel problem.
08:44<hyd>as root and change the line Driver "ati" into Driver "vesa"
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08:45<hyd>after this ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X
08:45<themill>pooru: dpkg is a bot not a person.
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08:50<hyd>re sound_heart
08:50<sound_heart>hyd, so far so good.
08:50<sound_heart>let's wait for a while and see.
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08:52<TrIXx>hello @ chanel
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08:53<hyd>sound_heart: ok let it run a bit more
08:54<sound_heart>hyd, yes, sir.
08:54<lazy>what groups is the debian default user has?
08:54<hyd>and if the screen still dont turn black, its fixed. the vesa module will not provide 3D hardware env and its a bit slower then the ati module
08:54<lazy>uid=1000(lazy) gid=1000(lazy) groups=113(vboxusers),1000(lazy)
08:54<lazy>-_-!
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09:03<TrIXx>hello i want to use kwlan with kde. but i cant start my interface ra0
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09:04<lazy>the drivers is active?
09:04<hyd>sound_heart: lol im also still a user, no "sir" ;)
09:05<lazy>is anyone can help me run id command in the console and tell me the result?
09:05<lazy>:(
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09:05<sound_heart>hyd, :) thank you, it seems to be running well.
09:05<lazy>is anyone can help me run id command in the console and tell me the result?
09:05<hyd>lazy: what shows your id command?
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09:06<lazy>???
09:06<hyd>sound_heart: thats good
09:06<TrIXx>yes driver is rtunning
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09:07<lazy>ra0? make sure the interface is active
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09:08<TrIXx>it is active with lspci -a
09:08<hyd># id
09:08<hyd>uid=0(root) gid=0(root) Gruppen=0(root)
09:08<TrIXx>but it isnt up
09:08<lazy>-_-!root...
09:09<hyd>$ id
09:09<hyd>uid=1000(asc) gid=1000(asc) Gruppen=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),100(users),101(fuse),104(scanner),110(powerdev),112(netdev),116(uml-net),1000(asc),1005(vboxusers)
09:09<TrIXx>i want to use kwlan maybe
09:09<lazy>cat /etc/network/interface ?
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09:09<lazy>ths,hyd~
09:10<TrIXx>it isnt listed in interfaces . i wnt to configue it with kwlan.
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09:16<lazy>ths hyd~
09:16<lazy>:D
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09:17<hyd>;)
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09:19<|lazy|>-_-?
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09:20<|lazy|>!kick lazy
09:20*dpkg kicks lazy in the crotch.
09:20<|lazy|>lol
09:20<hyd>gg
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09:34<f0rsaken>hyd?
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09:40<f0rsaken>can smb help me with beryl?)
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09:44<avtobiff>f0rsaken, beryl is not an official debian package. compiz on the other hand is. and compiz-fusion exists in testing
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09:49<amphi>f0rsaken: beryl is a dead project
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09:53<cnu_kolpur>how to register wid freenode?
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09:56<lazy>cnu_kolpur try to /msg chanserv or nickserv hellp?
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10:10<agnur>hello,the first tiem
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10:36<Tuplad>how do I manually mount an usb device(my cellphone) ?
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10:37<padski>Tuplad, cat /proc/partitions
10:38<Tuplad>padski: muchos gracias :D
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10:39<padski>is lirpaloof packaged in sarge, I can't seem to see it there ?
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10:40<Tuplad>oh oh, padski, do you maybe know how to check free space on a mounted partition ? :D
10:40<weasel>df?
10:40<padski>I do !
10:40<Tuplad>weasel: thx :D
10:40<Tuplad>padski: df did it :p
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10:41<weasel>!thx
10:41<dpkg>THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks"
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10:42<Tuplad>:o
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11:13<Baggy2>Why doesn't this work: "find . -type d -name 'release' -exec rm {}/* \;" is prompts it can't find the directory
11:14<Engywuck__>you need to quote the *
11:14<Engywuck__>for starters
11:14<Engywuck__>oh, and -name before -type (at least that's what I'd do
11:15<Engywuck__>find . -name 'release' -type d -exec rm {}/\* \;
11:15<koollman>Baggy2: what are you trying to do /
11:15<koollman>?
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11:15<koollman>cause it seems like a bad idea
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11:15<Baggy2>search for all folders named release and delete their contents
11:15<Baggy2>:)
11:16<Baggy2>koollman: it is only a bad idea if I run the command in the wrong dir
11:16<koollman>indeed
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11:17<Engywuck__>the shortest way to do that is rm -rf /
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11:17<Engywuck__>ok, some collateral damage added, bt it's the shortest way
11:18<Baggy2>Engywuck__: *lol*
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11:20<Baggy2><Engywuck__: I get the same result with the command you suggested "rm: cannot remove `./release/*': No such file or directory". Any idea why?
11:21<Engywuck__>hmmmm
11:21<Baggy2>Could it be because type is a directory?
11:21<Engywuck__>could be that * is not expanded then
11:21<Engywuck__>try
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11:22<Engywuck__>find .... -exec sh -c 'rm -r {}' \;
11:22<Engywuck__>or simply add a -r in your command line
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11:22<nahtangel>blz
11:22<nahtangel>?????
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11:23<nahtangel>oi tudo joia?
11:24<Baggy2>Engywuck__: wouldn't that also remove the directory?
11:24<Engywuck__>please only english in here
11:24<Engywuck__>rm -r = recursive delte
11:25<Engywuck__>but i don't know if it also matches ./release/.
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11:25<Engywuck__>don't think so
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11:25<Engywuck__>such cases should be tested in a simulated directory in /tmp
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11:26<Engywuck__>mkdir /tmp/release ; mkdir /tmp/release/test; touch /tmp/release/a ; touch /tmp/test/b
11:26<Baggy2>Engywuck__> err.. that deleted the directory alright
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11:47<kapa>Hi))
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11:50<deebus>can anyone give me a hand troubleshooting the sound on my t61p?
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11:51<deebus>it's unmuted, xmms reads files just fine, but there is no audio output
11:51<deebus>any ideas what I should do?
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11:52<deebus>anyone have similar problems, maybe?
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11:53<witte>deebus: did you have a look at tuxmobile?
11:53<BrainBug>hello all, i got little prob, i have eth0 and ath0 , i have made eth0 static all works fine and ath0 too , but i changed ath0 too dhcp but with dhcp he cant assign me an ip... is there anything special i have to do to let him "find" an ip?
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11:54<deebus>witte:tuxmobile?
11:54<deebus>haven't heard of it, actually
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11:55<witte>deebus: tuxmobil rather, it is a website where people post there experiences with installing linux to a laptop
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11:55<deebus>oh. cool. I'll take a look
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11:57<witte>ah, and i was going to show him thinkwiki :(
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11:59<kapa>Sorry, i'm beginer and loking for help with ATI non-free drivers
11:59<witte>!fgrlx
11:59<witte>!ati
11:59<dpkg>somebody said ati was For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list.
12:00<witte>!fglrx one-liner
12:00<dpkg>fglrx one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
12:00<BrainBug>anyone can help me i got a dhcp problem on my wireless => http://pastebin.com/d7459ef2b
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12:01<witte>BrainBug: are you sure your network card is properly installed?
12:02<BrainBug>witte, yes cause it worked with my static stuff
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12:02<kast>hi
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12:03<witte>BrainBug: and what if you first give the essid, and afterwards do dhclient ath0?
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12:03<BrainBug>nothing happens he just looks but goes to sleep as u can see
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12:03<BrainBug>tried it ..
12:04<kast>hi
12:04<BrainBug>hi
12:05<witte>kapa: no private messages on this channel please
12:06<kast>ok
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12:06<kast>how is this chat ==???
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12:09<kapa>dpkg: I did all what u say... but steel don't have 3D & Direct rendering....
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12:09<witte>kapa: did you restart the x server?
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12:10<witte>kapa: did you select fglrx driver during the reconfiguration of the x server
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12:11<kapa>Yes...and have message: [fglrx] Internal AGP is not supported in 2.6 kernel.
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12:12<kapa>in my xorg.0.log
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12:13<witte>kapa: on this page the reason is written down: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.12.10.html
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12:14<kapa>"lsmod | grep fglrx agpgart intell_agp" display all of them
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12:17<kapa>yes i did this in xorg.conf by switch "Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no""
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12:21<kapa>i find somewhere, what loading priority can make this, when agpgart loaded after fglrx module
12:22<kapa>How i can test this in Debian?
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12:23<kapa>i'm beginer in the Linux.... :[
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12:26<Supaplex>leaked vista source has gpl code?
12:26<kapa>))
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12:32<kapa>if i trying to use Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" - i don't no about which module loaded first?... Else i don't know how blacklisting kernel module intel_agp.ko...
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12:33<witte>!blacklist
12:33<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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12:35<kapa>dpkg: thank u... i'm try it. and sorry about my english...
12:35<dpkg>kapa: de nada
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12:36<fxiny>de nada ? hahaha
12:36<kapa>etch
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12:38<gusso>hi all
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13:07<logyati>hello, can i have some help here with debian + postfix + courier?
13:07<logyati>i dunno if its the apropriate channel
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13:10<hikenboot>http://www.pastebin.ca/966271 <---anyone know how to fix this error
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13:10<ansong>i've got a route problem
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13:10<ansong>i've got two nics in a system. eth0 has an ip address of 10.0.0.10 and is not connected to anything; eth1's ip is 192.168.1.100 and is connected to the local lan. the routing table is something like this: 10.0.0.0 goes out of eth0, 192.168.1.0 and 0.0.0.0 goes out eth1.
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13:11<ansong>eth0 has to keep that address because of some expensive software whose license is tied to that address. but i need to change the route such that 10.0.0.0's gateway is the same as the default
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13:12<WarmReboo1>hi guys
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13:12<WarmReboo1>:
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13:14<AbsintheSyringe>where are ipw3945 kernel modules for 2.6.24-1? debian testing
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13:18<blarson>!iwlwifi
13:18<dpkg>i heard iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree>
13:19<blarson>AbsintheSyringe: ^
13:19<GhostlyDeath>AbsintheSyringe: I asked the same thing
13:19<GhostlyDeath>and they said "Rebuild it yourself"
13:19<AbsintheSyringe>wtf, are you serious?
13:19<AbsintheSyringe>why would they say that?
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13:20<GhostlyDeath>Could've been hardcore linuxers
13:20<blarson>AbsintheSyringe: because it was replaced with a newer module
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13:20<AbsintheSyringe>blarson, that makes sense, which one?
13:20<AbsintheSyringe>what's the replacement
13:21<blarson>!tell AbsintheSyringe about iwlwifi
13:21<AbsintheSyringe>ah yes
13:22<AbsintheSyringe>blarson, tnx
13:22<GhostlyDeath>hopefully I can install this from an older kernel
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13:31<lucas_amorim>hello, how do I insert a windows partition to grub knowing that it is in the first partition of an IDE disk, but it is in the middle of the IDE cable (not in the end)? In debian it is assigned to device "/dev/sdb4"
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13:32<lucas_amorim>my debian installation is in a SATA disk and was automatically listed in menu.lst as hd0,0
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13:33<cusco>lucas_amorim: yes my satadisks are also detectar in hda and hdb
13:34<cusco>lucas_amorim: but the menu.lst on the kernel line says root=sda1 or something
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13:34<cusco>not to worry :)
13:34<lucas_amorim>yes, but I would like to know how to boot that...
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14:06<zedboy>Anyone know of a good floppy rescue utility?
14:07<fxiny>tomsrtbt
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14:08<fxiny>real men use trinux :P
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14:26<malifal>hello, i'm having a problem with the latest kernel in testing 2.6.24, sometime it doesn't boot a all and keeps giving errors about the harddisk or something like that. I don't have the problem with any previous kernel. does anybody know of a fix?
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14:28<Guest230>i have lenny installed everything ok except when i shutdown or restart my screen goes blank and never stopd
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14:32<Guest230>anyone?
14:32<Caraibes>no idea... sorry...
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14:33<Caraibes>-so you need to shut down with the power button ?
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14:33<Caraibes>or unplug ?
14:33<Guest230>exactly
14:33<Guest230>with power button
14:33<Caraibes>i had that problem on a customers' desktop (with Linux Mint)
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14:34<Caraibes>I haven't had a chance to solve it...
14:34<Caraibes>because the person is not here anymore...
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14:35<Guest230>anywhere to look?
14:35<Caraibes>I guess you'll have to google your way in...
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14:36<jaakko>Guest230: have you done that in console? "shutdown -h now"?
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14:36<jaakko>Guest230: Do you see anything before blank screen?
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14:37<jaakko>Guest230: I mean in vt1 eg, not in xterm.
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14:54<hikenboot>anyone know why openldap on debian doesnt support bdb or ldbm?
14:55<hikenboot>do i have to recompile from source to use these database types
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15:04<the-dude>hikenboot: Why do you think it doesn't support those backends?
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15:08<lucas_amorim>hello, I just saw a blog: http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2007/11/skype_20_beta_for_linux_with_video.html
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15:08<lucas_amorim>that says there is a video version fro linux
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15:09<lucas_amorim>when I click it, it seems to be unavailable, does anyone know where I can find it:
15:09<lucas_amorim>?
15:09<hikenboot>the-dude, lt_dlopenext failed: (back_ldbm.la) file not found
15:09<Caraibes>skype with video is no more beta
15:09<lucas_amorim>wow!
15:09<Caraibes>you should add the skype repos in your sources.list
15:09<Caraibes>if your cpu is ix86
15:09<lucas_amorim>Caraibes: do you know a repository for debian lenny??
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15:10<Caraibes>sure
15:10<lucas_amorim>yes it is :)
15:10<Caraibes>hold on
15:10<lucas_amorim>ok
15:10<witte>!skype
15:10<dpkg>skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program is an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties. It is not in debian because we are not allowed to distribute it. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free"
15:10<Caraibes># Official site for latest version of skype.
15:10<Caraibes>deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
15:11<lucas_amorim>thanks
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15:11<lucas_amorim>:)
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15:11<lucas_amorim>finally, they have made it!
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15:12<kittyknoppix>fwe
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15:12<the-dude>hikenboot: it works overhere
15:12<kittyknoppix>what works?
15:13<witte>lucas_amorim: now they should start working on amd64 support
15:13<lucas_amorim>yeah
15:13<lucas_amorim>will this repo work for lenny? can I use "lenny" instead of "stable"?
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15:14<lucas_amorim>witte: how are you doing ;)
15:14<lucas_amorim>?
15:14<kittyknoppix>hi everyone. is it possible to get msn/similar software with knoppix?
15:14<hikenboot>well i dont have that module or the bdb_backend one either what installs them
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15:15<hikenboot>be back soon
15:15<kittyknoppix>bye
15:15<the-dude>kittyknoppix: try amsn or pidgin
15:15<the-dude>hikenboot: which ldap do you use ?
15:15<kittyknoppix>thank you the dude
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15:31<Andre37>hi i have problem with gnupanel error apache
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15:37<jaakko>Andre37: do you have any other problems?
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15:43<Andre37>jaakko the problem is gnupanel of database http://76.70.32.100/admin
15:43<Andre37>or
15:43<Andre37>http://76.70.32.100/
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15:45<AbsintheSyringe>hm my kde-guidance powermanagment is not showing in my tray out of sudden, any suggestions? debian testing
15:46<jaakko>Andre37: have you tried on local machine?
15:47<Andre37>no how
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15:48<guillaume>Hello, I'm trying to use a bluetooth headset under sid, can someone may help me to make it work properly. Until now I have no sound on it and when I launch 'arecord -Dplug:pcm.headset test.wav' I get this output 'ALSA lib pcm_sco.c:277:(sco_headset_hw_params) Unable to set number of SCO buffers : please upgrade your Kernel !'
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15:51<Andre37>127.0.0.1 box1.unixquebec.ca box1
15:51<Andre37>my ip business is 76.70.32.100
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15:53<zeev>does anybody have experience with dell's ubuntu laptop Inspiron 1420N? does it work properly with debian?
15:55<E0x>linux is linux so if ubuntu work , debian or other distro have to work
15:55<hikenboot>the-dude, the latest stable
15:55<E0x>maybe will need some trick but defenily will work
15:56<the-dude>zeev: http://www.starryhope.com/dell/2007/review-dell-inspiron-1420n-with-ubuntu/ read the review, but you should be able to get debian working
15:56<hikenboot>slapd 2.4.7
15:57<Andre37>i would like help for config gnupanel-config.sh
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15:58<the-dude>hikenboot: 2.4.7 uses back_hdb by default does that work?
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16:14<Hungmanmoojoo>hiya
16:14<incorrect>hello, i am trying to figure out if i would better using linux32 or linux64, my criteria is that i will be running 32bit apps, mostly steam mods
16:15<incorrect>64bit with lib32 and the performance is far from ideal
16:15<Hungmanmoojoo>i'm running debian testing, and since upgrading kernel from 6.22 to 6.24 my usb modem doesnt work anymore
16:15<nomad>anybody knows how to boot
16:15<witte>incorrect: you can safely run 32bit, the differences in performance will be minimal
16:16<nomad>a 64 bits cd
16:16<nomad>???
16:17<Caraibes>I am running both, on different PC's... both are good...
16:18<Caraibes>I don't really notice any different, but I felt it was correct to install the amd64 Debian on my amd64 ;)
16:19<Caraibes>and ix86 on my i686 (and i586)
16:19<nomad>i want to install ia64
16:19<Caraibes>the thing is that amd64 installs just the same way (use a netinst iso)...
16:20<Caraibes>only homework is to install Oper & Skype, but Google is your friend...
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16:20<Caraibes>I am not a big experet, but I made it just fine...
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16:23<incorrect>witte, after doing some research i can see a 5% increase by running 32bit apps on 32bit linux
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16:26<incorrect>according to a number of articles you can see a 10-30% increase if you have native apps
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16:26<incorrect>for 64bit platforms
16:26<Caraibes>I run mostly native apps (except Skype, and if I recall, Flash plugin...)
16:27<Caraibes>it feels just the same...
16:27<incorrect>try a bit bzip
16:27<Andre37>hi what a problem with my postgresql-8.1 i said
16:27<Andre37>box1:/etc/init.d# ./postgresql-8.1 stop
16:27<Andre37>Stopping PostgreSQL 8.1 database server: main* Error: pid file is invalid, please manually kill the stale server process.
16:27<Andre37> failed!
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16:27<Caraibes>will do later...
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16:34<Andre37>hi what a problem with my postgresql-8.1 i said
16:34<Andre37>Stopping PostgreSQL 8.1 database server: main* Error: pid file is invalid, please manually kill the stale server process.
16:34<Andre37> failed!
16:34<Andre37>how i kill
16:34<BlkPwn>Prolly postgres was already dead when you tried to stop it
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16:35<BlkPwn>Or the pid file has the wrong pid
16:35<leo_>Hey, we can't get the file sharing to work on here
16:35<leo_>I'm on Ubuntu 7.Gutsy computer
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16:36<Caraibes>use "connect to server" in Nautilus
16:36<leo_>7.10*
16:36<Caraibes>but you have to install openssh server
16:36<leo_>Hm, okay
16:37<xan>leo is an idiot
16:37<leo_>DON'T HASSLE ME, RETARD
16:38<leo_>I WILL...KILL..
16:38<leo_>KIIIILLLL
16:38<leo_>(we know each other)
16:38<BlkPwn>I hope, you're not going to kill him unless you know what he's like
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16:39<BlkPwn>You could kill some innocent bystander
16:39<leo_>I do know
16:39<chealer>leo_: avoid CAPS
16:39<leo_>I LIKE CAPS
16:39<leo_>lol
16:39<BlkPwn>Behave, kid
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16:40<xan>raise your hand if you hate when people use LOL
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16:40<xan>all hands raise*
16:40<leo_>ol
16:40<leo_>I was just kidding
16:40<wnd>\o_
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16:43<deb234>hi
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16:43<deb234>i have used: pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 40G /dev/sda5
16:43<deb234>to resize my physical volume group
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16:44<deb234>now i would like to shrink the partition, too
16:44<deb234>gparted/parted cannot do that
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16:44<deb234>i would like to know if i can roughly estimate the new size of the partition a bit larger and resize it with fdisk?
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16:45<deb234>or is the physical volume group spread all over the sda5? or not at the beginning?
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16:47<valdyn>deb234: pvdisplay should tell you
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16:50<deb234>valdyn, mmh it says that it uses 10239 physical extents, but it does not tell where they are on sda5, at the begging, the end, ...?
16:51<deb234>valdyn, is there some partition tool that can handle lvm, too?
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16:52<valdyn>deb234: it tells you the free space, which should suffice to adjust the partition size
16:52<valdyn>deb234: its located at the beginning of the partition afaik
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16:53<deb234>valdyn, i have reduced the physical volume group already, i only need to know how to adjust the partition size of sda5 correctly
16:53<valdyn>deb234: so do it. ?
16:53<kittyknoppix>im not even going to ask...
16:53<valdyn>deb234: pvdisplay does show free space, not?
16:53<valdyn>deb234: like: PV Size 148,57 GB / not usable 2,75 MB
16:53<deb234>valdyn, yes 2167 of 10239
16:53<kittyknoppix>*loves being ignorant*
16:53<valdyn>deb234: no that is something else
16:54<deb234>40,00 GB / not usable 3,81 MB
16:54<valdyn>deb234: uuh
16:54<kittyknoppix>xD
16:55<kittyknoppix>can you guys do my ICT exam for me?XD
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16:55<Caraibes>\oO/
16:55<valdyn>deb234: you cannot just "defrag" your lv
16:56<deb234>valdyn, so there is no way to get the other 40 gb in a new partition?
16:56<valdyn>deb234: new? sure you can copy 40GB to a new partition. ( what do you mean? )
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16:57<deb234>i want to create sda6 since i need to install xp
16:57<deb234>i have a lvm all over the disk
16:57<deb234>i have reduced it to 40 gb of 80 gb now
16:57<deb234>s/have a lvm/have had a lvm/
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16:58<valdyn>deb234: youre confusing me with by misusing terms.
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16:58<valdyn>deb234: vgreduce doesnt "resize" it just adds or removes pv
16:59<deb234>pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 40G /dev/sda5
16:59<deb234>i have not reduced the logical, but the physical volume group
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17:00<valdyn>deb234: and pvdisplay displays the wrong values still?
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17:01<deb234>valdyn, http://pastebin.com/d1a8aea39
17:02<valdyn>deb234: oh, nevermind. ok, you reduced the size 40,00 GB / not usable 3,81 MB
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17:02<deb234>yes, but i don't want to strip it somewhere by stupidly reducing the partition size in fdisk
17:03<valdyn>deb234: shrink the partition to 41GB
17:03<deb234>valdyn, ok thx
17:03<valdyn>deb234: thats simple and cant be to small
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17:04<valdyn>deb234: pvresize will NOT shrink if there was already space used beyond those 40G, so its defenitely not fragmented and its defenitely one adjacent rregion going from beging to 40GB on the disk
17:05<deb234>valdyn, what would i do to shrink a physical volume group that has had a larger than 40GB logical volume group once?
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17:05<valdyn>deb234: theres no logical volume groups, you mean "logical volume"
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17:06<deb234>yes i mean if i had used more than 40gb
17:06<valdyn>deb234: you cant really migrate blocks from end to beginning of disk that way, so you cant shirnk below the last used block like that
17:06<valdyn>deb234: what you want to do is to use as many pv as possible
17:07<valdyn>deb234: which permits you to migrate data within the same volume group from one pv to others, as long as theres sufficient free space
17:07<deb234>so you can never go back, once you use lvm? you have to add another disk then?
17:07<valdyn>deb234: no, listen..
17:07<deb234>ah ok
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17:08<valdyn>deb234: one vg consiting of 20 pv and 10 pv worth space used allows you to "clean up" and remove 10 pv
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17:08<valdyn>deb234: thats the ony way till theres a lvm defragger
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17:09<deb234>ok, but you can add another smaller pv, in my case 40 gb and move the volumes on it and then remove the old pv?
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17:09<valdyn>deb234: move the logical volumes, yes
17:09<deb234>and readd it with only 40 gb
17:10<deb234>ok thx
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17:10<valdyn>deb234: see pvmove(8)
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17:12<valdyn>deb234: having a bunch of 10G sized pv would be much better for you in the future
17:12<kahmalo>Is there a public version-control repository for the linux-2.6 kernel with all Debian patches?
17:13<kahmalo>I didn't see any vc-headers in debian/control.
17:13<deb234>valdyn, thx for you help!
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17:18<deb234>so going to reboot, hopefully it has worked
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17:20<chealer>kahmalo: yes ( http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/ )
17:20<kahmalo>chealer: Thanks!
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17:28<jpiccolo>anyone know why i have to install my nvidia drivers everytime i restart my computer
17:28<jpiccolo>?
17:28-!-Matong [~Matong@dslb-084-056-158-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
17:29<witte>jpiccolo: did you install the drivers from the site or the debian way?
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17:29<jpiccolo>downloaded the drivers from nvidia and used there script
17:30<jpiccolo>their^
17:30<witte>jpiccolo: ok, that is not the debian way :-)
17:30<witte>!nvidia
17:30<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:30<chealer>jpiccolo: nvidia-installer is not supported here.
17:30<witte>jpiccolo: if you want to see the fast route: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner
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17:31<jpiccolo>doing the debian way will keep my xorg?
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17:32<witte>if you do not run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg
17:32<jpiccolo>ok, because i have my dual monitors how i like them
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17:33<witte>jpiccolo: but of course you will make a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf before you try ;-)
17:33<Caraibes>the easy one is: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
17:33<Caraibes>it does stuff automatically
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17:33<witte>Caraibes: what do you mean, if he wants to keep his xorg.conf, he should not run dpkg-reconfigure
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17:34<Caraibes>ok... my mistake...
17:34<knoppix_>Hello
17:34<jpiccolo>ok saved xorg
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17:34<jpiccolo>will try the one liner with out reconfigure
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17:35<chealer>jpiccolo: what's wrong with your xorg?
17:36<jpiccolo>nothing is wrong
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17:36<jpiccolo>i am just trying installing nvidia the debian way so i dont have to reinstall the drivers every reboot
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17:37<incorrect>is there any overhead using nic bonding?
17:37<Caraibes>then you shuld just search Synaptic, assuming contrib & non-free are enabled in your sources.list...
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17:38<Jesse140>OK so... how can I completely uninstall Gnome from my system?
17:38<jpiccolo>NVIDIA TLS links is probably what i was missing
17:38<Caraibes>it is only the "free" driver, but it works fine at my place :)
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17:38<Jesse140>It's totally corrupt, anytime I try to run it I get a CORBA error
17:38<Caraibes>bye
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17:39<jpiccolo>ok going to restart and see if this is working now
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17:40<Matong>At the moment I thinking of putting my configuration files into VCS. But I don't have a glue which vcs I should use. Has anyone had experience with that idea?
17:41<Jesse140>So anyone have any ideas on that one or am I in the wrong chan?
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17:44<chealer>!tell Jesse140 about remove gnome
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17:45<jpiccolo>sweet thanks guys
17:45<jpiccolo>debian way worked
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17:47<hikenboot>the_dude the module isnt on my hard drive non of them are what package provides the modules
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17:48<hikenboot>the_dude, the module isnt on my hard drive non of them are what package provides the modules
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17:49<maxb>What programs actually make use of /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt ?
17:49<Jesse140>hmm?
17:50<Jesse140>I just really need to uninstall and reinstall -all- of the packages
17:50<Jesse140>i don't feel like reinstalling the whole OS that would take too long
17:53<Jesse140>I got 512MB RAM and 1400k Celeron on this machine, but Flash scripts run incredibly slow on the machine... the machine runs slow in general
17:53<Jesse140>need to config it heh
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17:54<ozdeb>hi every1
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17:56<ozdeb>I am trying to use Lyx and Bibtex styles. Can anyone please tell me how to make Brackets around cites inside text instead of parentheses ?
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17:58<witte>ozdeb: can you explain a bit further? I am not sure what you mean
17:58<deb234>valdyn, 41GB destroyed my var volume (size was zero), now i have resized to 45gb and it works
17:58<witte>ozdeb: or give an example of what it is now, and what it should look like
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18:00<ozdeb>witte, suppose I write a text like this - "apples falls, hence there's gravity (Newton, 1767)" I want to replace parentheses with brackets like this: "apples falls, hence there's gravity [Newton, 1767]"
18:00<witte>ozdeb: ok, which bibliography style are you using?
18:01<ozdeb>I use a custom one from agu website.
18:01<ozdeb>But strangely enough it gives me parantheses
18:01<witte>ozdeb: ok, can you give me a link?
18:01<ozdeb>yep - ftp://ftp.agu.org/journals/latex/journals/Manuscript-Preparation/
18:02<ozdeb>wait
18:02<ozdeb>ftp://ftp.agu.org/journals/latex/journals/Manuscript-Preparation/BibTeX/agufull04.bst
18:03<ozdeb>this is the correct file
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18:06<Jesse140>wow, IRC is such a good resource
18:06<Jesse140>I'm on a 100mbit LAN but I can only get like 5mbits on this machine
18:06<reticule>I like it
18:07<Aleric>I think it's pretty amazing stupid that summer time cancelation.
18:07<Jesse140>since it's so damn slow...........
18:07<Aleric>How could they be so stupid???
18:07<Aleric>I tell you, this is all going to be a big mess :/
18:07<reticule>Jesse140 is this on some kinda communal set/college connection?
18:08<Jesse140>Naw man...
18:08<Jesse140>I'm a domain admin / technician at a very large ISP
18:08<Jesse140>I -need- to know POSIX
18:08<Aleric>Did anyone figure out yet how to tell debian that summer time is being cancelled? Or should I just set the clock back 1 hour manually?
18:08<Jesse140>Thank God I'm just training for the domain position now and nwo fully responsible for the whole thing, I'd be cramming like hell
18:08<Jesse140>*not fully...
18:09<Jesse140>one of the sales guys in the back who is on our LAN just got a cease and desist notice... shelled out 17TB
18:09<Jesse140>lmao
18:09<Jesse140>eMule
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18:10<reticule>some Uk isps are going for this three strike thing - dunno if this news has travelled outside the uk yet?
18:11<reticule>Well actually three ISPs so far "some" might be overstating it.
18:11<witte>ozdeb: aha, i found a reference to it in the latex companion (2ed)
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18:12<witte>ozdeb: do you have \bibliographystyle{agu} in your document?
18:13<ozdeb>witte, I use lyx
18:13<ozdeb>witte, so I don't really know...
18:13<Jesse140>3 strikes?
18:13<witte>ozdeb: it is also there somewhere, wait, i'll have alook
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18:14<Jesse140>Did you read about that group of Japanese ISPs who are tracking people who share files online, and sending them notices to stop, and if they don't they get canceled?
18:14<reticule>Jesse140 apparently if you use p2p too much and they think it's illegally then you get three warnings and you're kicked off the service
18:14<Jesse140>http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/15/2243235
18:14<Jesse140>Oh okay.
18:14<reticule>Your comment about emule reminded me
18:14<Aleric>Humpf, nobody reacted to my Aprils Fool joke :(
18:15<Jesse140>I don't think we ever cut anyone off here... which is a good thing.
18:15<ozdeb>witte, you mean if I included this file in my lyx documet ? I did through the dialog of the Bibliography styles
18:15<Jesse140>All we cut off Internet access for are things like SPAM, if the computer is producing it.
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18:15<Jesse140>So anyway, if I just recompile my kernel in accordingly I should be able to get it running better I hope.
18:16<Jesse140>But I rely on Opera to work and it's just super slow sometimes.
18:16<witte>ozdeb: there should be some command in lyx (some window) which sets this, but i have to check myself where it is. I use emacs and auctex to edit my latex stuff :-)
18:16<reticule>Jesse140 yeah but what I'm puzzled about is how they can legally know since our RIP bill clearly states they can only monitor header info unless they have a court order
18:16<ozdeb>witte, go to 'Insert -> LIST/TOC ->Bibtex Bibliography
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18:16<ozdeb>witte, now you'll a new window and then you can choose the style.
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18:17<witte>ozdeb: ok, there you need to choose agu
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18:18<witte>and in document > settings > bibliography you should choose natbib, author year method
18:18<Jesse140>I'm really not sure...
18:18<ozdeb>I choose. However, this style is the cause for making the () and I want it to be []
18:18<Jesse140>Maybe they are monitoring certain torrents.
18:18<Jesse140>Because this guy got popped for a torrent.
18:18<Jesse140>for Tehre will be Blood
18:18<Jesse140>some movie?
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18:18<Jesse140>*there
18:19<ozdeb>witte, I'm looking for a way to edit the agu.bst
18:19<laci>hallo
18:19<reticule>Jesse140 could be - I suppose that will work for tracked torrents but not once most go trackerless right?
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18:19<Jesse140>Maybe
18:20<witte>ozdeb: not needed, you just need to enable natbib
18:20<witte>ozdeb: it gives square brackets on my pc. I just did document > settings > biblio > natbib (author year)
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18:20<reticule>Jesse140 the tihng that really anooys me about my isp is you can never get to talk to anyone who knows anything more than how to help you reinstall your windows networking. Any more technical than that and they flounder so I've given up asking
18:21<Jesse140>WOW
18:21<Jesse140>Are you kidding me?
18:21<reticule>No that is true - in their defence I will say that their connectivity is really good
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18:22<reticule>I would say close to 100% uptime
18:22<witte>ozdeb: btw, it seems that lyx improved quite a bit over the years, but i still like to do my latex stuff myself :-)
18:22<ozdeb>yes lyx is very nice.
18:22<ozdeb>Sometimes I use Kile.
18:22<ozdeb>However I'm pretty a noob in Latex
18:23<Jesse140>well, is it DSL?
18:23<reticule>It is
18:23<witte>ozdeb: if you ever feel up to learning it, emacs with auctex is really the way to go
18:23<reticule>Well it's adsl which is the noram in the UK
18:23<reticule>norm even
18:23<Jesse140>Well...
18:24<Jesse140>It's probably your phone company you owe the reliability to, and not the ISP itself
18:24<Jesse140>unless the telecom is your ISP also
18:24<witte>ozdeb: did you try the thing i mentioned?
18:24<ozdeb>witte, no 10x. I don't want to learn emacs. It sounds like time consuming
18:24<reticule>Jesse140 no they are separate
18:24<reticule>BT is my telco
18:24<ozdeb>witte, I did, it seems not to work
18:24<Jesse140>yeah, the phone company does all the real work
18:24<Jesse140>heh
18:25<reticule>ozdeb Emacs was the one nixy thing that gave me headache and I gave up
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18:26<reticule>I'm a recent convert so maybe Emacs is for more experienced users?
18:26<ozdeb>witte, which lyx version are using ?
18:26<ozdeb>witte, I use 1.5.3
18:26<reticule>Vim is nice though
18:27<reticule>Why are there two main Debian channels - one her and one on freenode?
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18:27<reticule>Are they for different issues
18:28<reticule>her=here
18:28<reticule>sorry typos
18:28<witte>ozdeb: look at your file using a plain text editor, does it contain "\cite_engine natbib_authoryear"
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18:29<witte>ozdeb: i have version 1.5.4, but that should be the same, it is the tex behind it that should do the work, lyx is just an editor
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18:30<ozdeb>witte, i had cite_engine basice
18:30<ozdeb>witte, i had cite_engine basic
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18:31<reticule>Can I ask a stupid question as a non designer - what are the main advantages of using Tex over that of using a visual typesetting program like Scribus?
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18:32<witte>ozdeb: that is where it is wrong, and on my pc, document > settings > bibliography
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18:33<witte>reticule: i do not really know scribus, but tex is stable for years (there are new updates, but the core remains stable), it works on any platform, uses plain text input, and gives beautiful output...
18:33<ozdeb>witte, i had cite_engine basic changed manually to what you said. However lyx doesn't see it. I still get () around my cites
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18:34<reticule>witte so it is basically the same issue as with WYSIWYG html editors - not quite true enough output for professional use?
18:34<witte>ozdeb: can you upload a minimal example to a pastebin
18:34<witte>!pastebin
18:34<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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18:36<witte>reticule: i am not sure about that, it just seems that tex is generally used for scientific publications (with lots of graphs and formulas) and less for commercial publications. Scribus seems more fit for that (but i only know scribus from a 2min view on wikipedia)
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18:37<ozdeb>witte, here is the pase http://rafb.net/p/gWVwPm80.html
18:39<reticule>That seems to be the thing with linux as a newish user - there are so many programs that are only slightly different and yet have completely different user bases. This is the thing I'm still getting to grips with - how do I know the first solution I find is the best?
18:39<reticule>Mind you that the same for any os and it was daft thing to say
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18:41<reticule>Tex looks good
18:41<reticule>I'm going to have to take agood look at it
18:42*reticule is off to bed now
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18:45<ozdeb>witte, i am so disappointed - every time I waste tones of time to learn lyx\latex and eventually I end up not using it. And that's because I can't control it like i would like
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18:46<ozdeb>do you have any idea what's wrong ?
18:46<witte>ozdeb: sorry, but i can't run your file, there is an error about missing \begin{document}, i think you deleted to much.
18:47<witte>ozdeb: and the citation style worked for me when i used agufull from the debian repositories
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18:48<witte>ozdeb: that is in the texlive-publishers package
18:49<ozdeb>I'll look it up now
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18:50<ozdeb>witte, i have this package installed. However where can i find the bst file from it ?
18:50<witte>ozdeb, that's it
18:51<witte>ozdeb, just tried the version you pointed to (but which i previously did not use out of lazyness, and that one has indeed ( in stead of [
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18:52<ozdeb>well... do you know how to change it manually or can you point me the location of the correct bst file ?
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18:52<witte>ozdeb: when you click on "bibtex generated bibliography", you can select the style, and agufull is there
18:53<ozdeb>where is this button ?
18:53<witte>ozdeb: you do not need to browse it
18:53<witte>ah, that is just in the lyx fiel
18:53<ozdeb>I think I got it.
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18:53<witte>s/fiel/file/
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18:56<witte>ozdeb: does that work for you?
18:56<ozdeb>witte, sorry to tell you. I'm freaking out
18:56<ozdeb>It does not
18:57<ozdeb>witte, hold on... there is something
18:58<witte>ozdeb: in the lyx text is shows as ( btw, but in the pdf it is [
18:58<ozdeb>witte, yes it works ! however with the style agu and and not agufull
18:59<witte>ozdeb: on my pc, it works with both?
18:59<ozdeb>maybe but the agufull is not needed for me anyway.
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19:00<ozdeb>However, there is still one problem... this style gives the year at the end. I need it after the author in the bibliography
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19:01<ozdeb>witte, can you explain me how to edit the agu.bst file ?
19:01<witte>ozdeb: oh, i was wrong, only ago, and not agufull showed the square brackets, but there is an alternative
19:01<ozdeb>I tried working it out with latex makebst but it does not work xactly as I want
19:02<ozdeb>witte, and the alternative is ?
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19:03<witte>ozdeb: put this in document > settings: latex preamble: \usepackage[square]{natbib}
19:05<witte>ozdeb: and if that does not work, replace it with: \bibpunct{[}{]}{,}{a}{}{;}
19:05<ozdeb>witte, I get this error: Option clash for package natbib
19:06<witte>ozdeb: that is that lyx loads natbib before or something
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19:06<ozdeb>well, your second solution worked out !
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19:07<ozdeb>witte, so now i'm using the style from the ftp server and your modification. Thank you very much
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19:08<witte>ozdeb: i always try to avoid editing bst files as that usually lead to problems
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19:09<ozdeb>witte, I guess you're right. But i need this control over how my document looks like.
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19:09<witte>ozdeb: is it something you have to submit to that journal?
19:09<ozdeb>Maybe I'll dedicate some time to learn more latex ;-)
19:09<ozdeb>witte, eventually yes.
19:09<ozdeb>witte, now it's just my thesis
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19:10<witte>in that case, just make it with the format they ask, and don't fiddle to much with it...
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19:10<witte>ozdeb: ah, ok, well, if you type "texdoc natbib" in the terminal, you will learn a lot more about natbib citing style
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19:12<witte>ozdeb: all the things that are possible there, should be possible in lyx (with lyx commands or with special tex commands inserted...)
19:12<ozdeb>Ok, I wrote it down in my notebook
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19:13<witte>ozdeb: this may be an easy starter http://merkel.zoneo.net/Latex/natbib.php
19:13<ozdeb>I actually saw this manuall online
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19:17<ozdeb>witte, check this manual on pg 12. exactly to problem I had. ! with the agu
19:19<witte>ozdeb: ah, did not even read that :-)
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19:20<michal>hi
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19:23<ozdeb>witte, again thank you so much for you help
19:23<ozdeb>witte, I'm off to bed... good night
19:23<witte>no problem, good luck with your thesis
19:23<ozdeb>10x again
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19:25<v4mpire>ucking comp
19:25<v4mpire>o_O that wasn't typed here
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19:30<nab>Hello
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19:31<nab>I just upgraded to unstable in order to resolve the SSL STMP issue with Evolution, but I am still out of luck.
19:31<nab>w/ Evolution. :P
19:31<nab>Does anyone know a workaround or another way to resolve with Evolution..?
19:32<nab>I am running Evolution 2.12.3-1.1 and evolution-data-server 1.12.3-1
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19:34<nab>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=460615
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19:34<nab>Seems to have closed the issue, but not on my i386 system.. :-(
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19:38<nab>Actually, it seems to sporadically be able to send SSL SMTP with the latest unstable.
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19:51<hikenboot>can anyone tell me where the tls_cacertdir directive for ldap is supposed to go what file and section?
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19:56<jlewis_>how can I find out how much ram I have in Ubuntu?
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19:56<witte>!ubuntu
19:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:56<witte>jlewis_: and see free
19:57<witte>jlewis_: or top, or a system config tool, or...
19:59<jlewis_>witte, all it says is "and" ready.
20:00<witte>jlewis_: what do you mean? if you just type "free" in the console, you should get your memory usage
20:01<jlewis_>ok thx
20:03<jlewis_>how do I get desktop effects to work? It says,"Desktop Effects could not be enabled".
20:03<witte>jlewis_: you really should ask an ubuntu group
20:03<witte>!tell jlewis_ -about ubuntu
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20:04<jlewis_>oh, sorry
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20:11<n3ksus>hello, Im stuck with a driver issue with bcm5700
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20:12<n3ksus>any1 able to help?
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20:15<chealer>n3ksus: not unless you explain how you can be helped.
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20:16<n3ksus>well was checking people was here
20:17<n3ksus>Now, i have the bcm5700 module installed (installed debian on an old lappy to put it to use ibm r40e) it detects and connects to the ethernet n stuff, but it dont use the internet
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20:21<witte>n3ksus: is teh device listed in /sbin/ifconfig? do you get an ip?, what did you try before,...
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20:25<n3ksus>sorry im new to linux as well, i played around with it afew years ago but im rusty/forgot most the stuff
20:25<n3ksus>How do i read it?
20:26<witte>n3ksus: open a terminal, and type "/sbin/ifconfig"
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20:27<witte>n3ksus: alternatively, first try this: just open the network-admin program, and configure your network using that program
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21:23<hikenboot>hello all anyone know how to solve this error slapd[8169]: main: TLS init def ctx failed: -1
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22:04<style23>hello
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22:57<dave_>configure ndiswrapper?
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23:18<dave_>ndiswrapper you know?
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23:22<abrotman>!ndiswrapper one-liner
23:22<dpkg>rumour has it, ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper
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23:25<andrew_>BAH FLAIL
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23:33<alien>why
23:33<alien>hello
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23:46<RIVE>Hello. good evening.
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