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00:06<guess>while booting into a debian partition the entire filesystem changes into a read-only mode. HOw to rectify this
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00:07<guess>I am not able to do anything. Not able to open any applications.
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00:07<schmichael>anybody know why my instructions would work for someone running etch:
00:08<guess>I am able to boot only after remounting the / partition
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00:09<guess>can anybody suggest any solution to solve this problem
00:09<schmichael>ack... i mean why those instructions would not work for someone running etch
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00:11<guess>is there anyone to answer
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00:12<schmichael>guess: ha, looks like we're alone in our agony
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00:16<RIVE>¡Ta madre, sólo tengo en cd en este equipo Mandriva 2008 y Ubuntu 7.10
00:17<RIVE>Sorry, worng window.
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00:22<jcdollesin>any Filipino here?
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01:00<ch1ch4j0>i need help
01:01<Requiem>the problem is?
01:01<ch1ch4j0>i have the problem with htb
01:02<ch1ch4j0>i have 6MB upload and 6MB download
01:02<Requiem>sorry, dunno what that is
01:02<ch1ch4j0>wait im sorry
01:03<ch1ch4j0>but in may network card in upload give me 400 kbps
01:03<Requiem>um, that seems normal...
01:03<ch1ch4j0>my ISp said that the problem is mine
01:03<Requiem>which ISP?
01:04<ch1ch4j0>but i do test with and it show 400 kbos uoload
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01:04<[gloom]>hi there
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01:04<vook>so your ISP is claiming you have 6mb upload, but you are only able to achieve about 400kbps?
01:04<Requiem>ping the router and google for me, then tell me the reply times
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01:05<ch1ch4j0>but my isp said me with your test program show 6MB upload
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01:05<twb>Is there a #debian-foo for wireless / wpa_supplicant configuration issues?
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01:07<vook>twb: I don't know of one.
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01:08<Requiem>ch1ch4j0: Never trust an ISP
01:08<twb>I just started using wpa_supplicant's "wpa-roam" method in /etc/network/interfaces, and after a few reboots and config changse, I've managed to do something that prevents dhclient3 from running after wpa_cli establishes a connection and claims (in /var/log/wpa_action.ath0.log) to be running "ifup default".
01:08<Requiem>do you have a second system or the like?
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01:09<muskrat>is there a package that replaced torsmo?
01:10<jcdollesin>hi muskrat try Conky
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01:11<muskrat>does it sit on the desktop transpart like torsmo did?
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01:12<jcdollesin>it's based on torsmo but has a lot more features
01:12<muskrat>Ok I'll try it thanks.
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01:16<muskrat>jcdollesin: but it runs in a window and isn't transpartent, can one configure it to be so.
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01:18<JustSoul>jm_: morning
01:18<JustSoul>jm_: =)
01:18<jcdollesin>muskrat check /etc/conky.conf
01:19<JustSoul>jm_: yesterday problem: in d-i there is no pata_jmicron and e1000 modules
01:20<muskrat>Yea, I'll look up some more docs on it to. It's just that's waht I really liked about torsmo was the text right on the desktop.
01:20<jm_>JustSoul: get d-i with newer kernel
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01:40<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>nuclear: #debian
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01:51<rene>que show mi queridos ubuntuis
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01:58<prathibha>I have a problem with mouse. It's not working in a debian partition. Before few days it was working fine and now it's not working
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02:05<jm_>prathibha: does kernel detect it?
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02:05<prathibha>jm_, how to check that
02:06<jm_>prathibha: dmesg ; cat /proc/bus/input/devices
02:06<prathibha>jm_, yes it detects
02:07<jm_>prathibha: so what is the problem then?
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02:07<prathibha>jm_, Mouse is not working.
02:07<jm_>prathibha: how? where?
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02:08<prathibha>jm_, in that partition I am not able see the mouse pointer anywhere in the desktop
02:08<jm_>prathibha: so in X? check x logfile
02:08<prathibha>jm_, how to check?
02:09<jm_>!x logfile
02:09<jm_>prathibha: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
02:11<prathibha>jm_, Input device Configured mouse like this one line is there in that file
02:12<jm_>prathibha: which device is it configured to use?
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02:12<prathibha>jm_, (**) | |-->Device "Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller"
02:12<jm_>prathibha: no, onfigured Mouse: Device:
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02:13<prathibha>jm_, (**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse"
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02:14<jm_>prathibha: uhm tell me the device
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02:18<prathibha>jm_, The contents of my Xorg.0.log can be found in the above link
02:21<jm_>prathibha: do you have this file: /dev/input/mice ?
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02:23<prathibha>jm_, s i am having that file
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02:24<prathibha>jm_, USB mouse is working in this but serial port mouse is not working
02:24<jm_>prathibha: cat /dev/input/mice | od and move your mouse, does it print stuff?
02:25<jm_>prathibha: does /proc/bus/input/devices only list one mouse?
02:25<jm_>you should have mentioned that at the start
02:27<prathibha>jm_, sorry, just i remembered when I went through that input devices file.
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02:28<jm_>prathibha: answer my above questions please
02:29<prathibha>jm_, for usb mouse its printing but for serial-port mouse it's not
02:29<prathibha>jm_, for serial port i am not able to see the mouse pointer itself
02:30<jm_>prathibha: modprobe sermouse
02:30<prathibha>jm_, what's this?
02:31<jm_>prathibha: man modprobe
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02:34<levander>Someone was in here telling me the state of your network interfaces could get out of "synch" between, I think it was, the kernel and something else. And, that you're not really supposed to be using /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown. Can anyone tell me what the deal is with those two scripts?
02:35<jm_>levander: those are not scripts
02:35<levander>jm_: okay, programs
02:36<jm_>levander: I am not sure why they were telling you this, it's normal to use them in Debian
02:37<prathibha>jm_, FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory. modprobe sermouse returned this.
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02:38<jm_>prathibha: is this your own kernel? does it support loading of modules?
02:39<prathibha>jm_, i tried modprobe --list is returning the same error
02:42<prathibha>jm_, under lib/modules/ folder only 2.6.21-1-486 folder is there. My kernel 2.6.21 not 22. Then y its coming like this
02:43<jm_>prathibha: what does uname -r say?
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02:44<prathibha>jm_, 2.6.22-14-generic
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02:45<jm_>prathibha: do you have config file for it? do you have /proc/config.gz?
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02:47<latitude>hi, chan
02:48<latitude>have an odd gcc problem on lenny
02:48<latitude>after I try to run a simple compiled program, I receive bash: ./test: No such file or directory
02:49<latitude>gcc (GCC) 4.2.3 (Debian 4.2.3-2)
02:49<latitude>I'm running the recent lenny
02:49<jm_>prathibha: anyway (I have to go now) -- make sure your kernel has support for it, either as a module or built-in
02:49<prathibha>jm_, ok.
02:50<prathibha>jm_, thank u.
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02:51<prathibha>jm_, there is no config.gz
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02:52<jm_>prathibha: well check if you have it in /boot/config* -- otherwise use a Debian kernel
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02:53<prathibha>jm_, it's there
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02:54<jm_>I am off now
02:55<prathibha>jm_, ok
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03:29<n3ksus>Question.... i have php installed and phpmyadmin and mysql n all the reqs for phpmyadmin, but after i install the .deb and then try to open the index.php it just keeps opening new windows
03:30<n3ksus>keeps opening up new windows like a chain....
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03:37<latitude>n3ksus: have you tried different browsers?
03:38<n3ksus>hang on brb
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03:47<Cyorxamp>Lo I want to make a memtest boot disk/usb pen - In windows I'd just run the EXE to make a bootable floppy, how can I put this image onto a floppy in linux?
03:47<jMCg>"I'd just run the EXE to .." -- what exe?
03:48<Cyorxamp>the one mentioned there
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03:48<n3ksus>Question.... i have php installed and phpmyadmin and mysql n all the reqs for phpmyadmin, but after i install the .deb and then try to open the index.php it just keeps opening new windows
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03:49<Cyorxamp>jMCg, I think its actually a batch file for the floppy version... using a bin file and something called rawrite
03:50<jMCg>n3ksus: you're not making sense. And, you're repeating yourself.
03:50<n3ksus>i just re jopined the channel
03:51<jMCg>Cyorxamp: with linux you'd usually use the stuff that comes with syslinux, or what the package is called to do that.
03:51<jMCg>07:28 < n3ksus> Question.... i have php installed and phpmyadmin and mysql n all the reqs for phpmyadmin, but after i install the .deb and then try to open the index.php it just keeps opening new windows
03:51<n3ksus>I have installed phpmyadmin and all the other .deb packages it needs to work
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03:52<n3ksus>And when i open phpmyadmins index.php it opens a new window, and then a new window and so forth
03:52<n3ksus>you dont understand?
03:52<jMCg>n3ksus: curl -iL URItophpmyadmin
03:52<jMCg>paste it somewhere.
03:53<jMCg>If it's non-conclusive, curl -viL
03:53<n3ksus>im on the windows comp coz the lappy dont like the ethernet driver
03:54<jMCg>Software and hardware usually have reasons not to like each other. Being incompatible or broken are some. If they don't like each other MAKE them like each other.
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03:54<jMCg>Besides, there's curl -- or other kinds of HTTP debugging tools for Windows as well.
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03:56<keegan>is there a way to switch from gnome to another wm while keeping all the programs running?
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03:56<latitude>keegan: there may be something like --replace option in your wm
03:57<keegan>yeah, i tried that, so it must be wm specific then...
03:57<n3ksus>i dont seem to have curl installed (done a net install)
03:57<n3ksus>Which by that i dont know how it can download the files there, but not be able to work now
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03:59<latitude>keegan: well, some of what I know support it.
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03:59<latitude>openbox, compiz do
04:00<n3ksus>actually i give up
04:00<keegan>ok, ill try openbox
04:00<keegan>i was trying to get to fluxbox, because for some reason java webstart draws windows funny in gnome
04:01<JustSoul>jm_: Are you here?
04:01<latitude>keegan: usually it's documented, so you can look for it in man pages
04:01<yury>I have a small problem which I am unsure how to debug. Whenever I try to use tty1, the response is intermittent. If I hit a key at the "right" time, it goes through and is displayed, if I hit it a half second too early or too late, I get nothing. When I run aptitude, and leave the program, it takes a while for the 'q' to register, and then as aptitude quits, it prints: "Uncaught exception: Unable to read from stdin: Success". Also, this seems
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04:02<keegan>latitude: i got openbox to do what i needed. thanks for your help.
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04:08<yury>hm... seems to go away if I do not use tty1, but returns soon after I resume
04:11<yury>odd, timesout on selecting fd 1
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04:18<JustSoul>How to compile 1 (one) module?
04:19<chealer>JustSoul: what kind of module?
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04:19<JustSoul>chealer: pata_jmicron, or where I can find it
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04:20<chealer>JustSoul: which Linux version do you use?
04:21<JustSoul>chealer: I want to install debian on ASUS P5B-VM, where cd-rom connected to jmicron ata-port
04:22<chealer>JustSoul: no particular suite?
04:22<yury>should be able to just type make outside your tree
04:22<JustSoul>chealer: on any d-i I download there is no pata_jmicron module. And in linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 i didn't find it
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04:23<yury>JustSoul: do you have the source?
04:23<chandu>How do I know the firmware version installed
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04:23<chandu>I want to know the firmware-Network and firmware-StorageController installed in my macine
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04:24<JustSoul>yury: If you mean kernel-headers - yes
04:25<yury>I mean the source for the module
04:25<yury>it's in 24.4 definitely
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04:27<chealer>JustSoul: jmicron is in linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
04:27<chandu>can anyone please tell me do I know the firmaware version used
04:27<yury>hm... doesn't look like I'm getting help at this hour
04:27<yury>and it's time for bed anyway
04:28<yury>chandu: what exactly are you talking about?
04:28<yury>is that a package?
04:28<JustSoul>chealer: ./driver/ata/pata_jmicron.ko? I don't have such file
04:28<chandu>yury, No ..
04:28<yury>JustSoul: what version?
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04:28<yury>and it's not .ko
04:28<yury>it'll be .c
04:29<chandu>yury, I want to the firmware-network and storage controller firmware installed in my system
04:29<chandu>yury, How do I know which version of firmware is installed
04:29<yury>chandu: that makes no sense
04:29<yury>firmware for say... your wirelss network card?
04:29<yury>or what not
04:29<chandu>yury, firmware for my network card
04:29<yury>take a look in /lib/firmware
04:29<JustSoul>yury: if source - yes, i have, but I don't know how to compile it, if compilled, I didn't find it
04:29<yury>oh, well here
04:29<chandu>yury, and also firmware for my storage controller
04:30<yury>$(MAKE) -C $(KDIR) SUBDIRS=$(PWD) modules
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04:30<yury>cd into that dir first
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04:30<yury>chandu: should be similar
04:30<yury>if you manually installed the firmware, you should know
04:30<yury>if you got it from a package, take a look at that
04:31<chandu>yury, Actually I am using already installed system ..So I dont know which version is installed
04:31<chandu>yury, I want to get the version
04:31<yury>or do you mean you want the firmware on the card/controller
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04:32<chealer>JustSoul: no, just jmicron. so you really want the pata version?
04:32<yury>chandu: what do you need this for? maybe that's a better question
04:32<chandu>yury, I have some network problem ..driver is present ..
04:32<chandu>yury, so I need to check with my firmware
04:32<JustSoul>chealer: jm_ said - yes =)
04:32<yury>what network card?
04:33<JustSoul>chealer: I want to install debian on ASUS P5B-VM, where dvd-rom connected to jmicron pata-port, and there is no generic pata slots
04:34<chealer>JustSoul: what's the difference?
04:34<JustSoul>d-i doesn't find dvd-rom, and couldn't continue
04:34<JustSoul>chealer: ^^^^
04:35<chealer>JustSoul: which Debian suite?
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04:36<chealer>JustSoul: what's a pata-port and a generic pata slot?
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04:39<yury>JustSoul: still need that module
04:39<yury>just compiled it
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04:40<yury>yury@orbit:/usr/src/linux$ make CONFIG_PATA_JMICRON=m M=drivers/ata
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04:40<yury> LD [M] drivers/ata/pata_jmicron.ko
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04:42<JustSoul>chealer: pata port = pata slot, generic = standart like old systems PIII, PIV.
04:43<JustSoul>yury: one moment
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04:45<chealer>JustSoul: I don't understand "ata slot"
04:45<Nuwan>hi all
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04:46<JustSoul>chealer: ide, 40/80-pin cable that connect mother board and devices, such as cd/dvd-rom
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04:47<yury>I should head to sleep
04:47<chealer>JustSoul: hum, I didn't know that was called a slot. I'm not a native English speaker though.
04:47<JustSoul>chealer: i'm too
04:48<yury>slot, socket, port, whatever
04:48<chealer>JustSoul: so what's the difference between a pata slot and a generic pata slot?
04:48<yury>there is more than one?
04:49<yury>wtf is a jmicron pata slot
04:49<JustSoul>yury: hole?
04:50<JustSoul>yury: make[1]: *** îÅÔ ÐÒÁ×ÉÌÁ ÄÌÑ ÓÂÏÒËÉ ÃÅÌÉ `drivers/ata/libata-core.o', ÔÒÅÂÕÅÍÏÊ ÄÌÑ `drivers/ata/libata.o'. ïÓÔÁÎÏ×. make: *** [_module_drivers/ata] ïÛÉÂËÁ 2 {[(*** No rules for build target `drivers/ata/libata-core.o', need for `drivers/ata/libata.o', stop, error 2)]}
04:51<yury>yeah, you may need a bunch of other drivers built first
04:51<yury>like libata
04:52<JustSoul>yury: make CONFIG_LIBATA=m ?
04:52<yury> │ Depends on: ATA && PCI
04:52<yury>er... that may not be enough
04:53<yury>I would build the kernel at this point
04:53<yury>one sec
04:53<yury>let me try with a clean source
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04:53<JustSoul>yury: make menuconfig ?
04:53<JustSoul>no =(
04:53<yury>yeah, make menuconfig, then make
04:54<yury>however, one sec
04:54<yury>you should be able to do it with just the kernel headers
04:54<yury>oh whatever
04:55<yury>just build the kernel
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04:55<yury>make modules should be enough
04:56<JustSoul>yury: make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 <- result of "make clean; make menuconfig"
04:56<yury>make sure to select the module
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04:56<yury>do you have ncurses-dev?
04:56<yury>aptitude install libncurses-dev
04:57<yury>if you do not want a full kernel, you can probably get rid of all the modules except what you need
04:58<jm_>yury: I've read about similar problems on lkml lately, try the latest kernel
04:58<yury>jm_: thanks!
04:58<yury>link me?
04:58<yury>this is actually fairly new
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04:58<yury>this is the latest stable
04:59<jm_>I meant latest 2.6.25-rcX kernel
04:59*yury coughs
05:00<yury>oh, and why don't I run heron to boot?
05:00<JustSoul>jm_: where I can find 2.6.22- kernel for debian?
05:00<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
05:01<yury>ooh, etch and a half
05:01<yury>can't find it on lkml
05:02<jm_>I don't remember which subject people use - something with keyboard and repeat etc.
05:02<jm_>but sounds suspiciously similar to your problem
05:03<yury>well, it's odd, it only seems to affect tty1
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05:04<yury>I do not really want to try any experimental kernels. This laptop is flaky as it is. I barely got a working console
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05:05<yury>ooh, I could play around with kprobes maybe
05:05<yury>but what what I hear those aren't great
05:08<JustSoul>jm_: where I can find 2.6.22- kernel for debian?
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05:09<jm_>JustSoul: /msg sdpkg kmuto
05:09<jm_>/msg dpkg kmuto
05:09<azeem>JustSoul: did you install Debian already?
05:09<yury>JustSoul: just download the source
05:09<azeem>yury: eh?
05:09<yury>and you can apply the config and if you want, patches
05:10<azeem>yury: JustSoul hasn't installed Debian yet
05:10<JustSoul>azeem: yes and no
05:10<azeem>JustSoul: what?
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05:11<jm_>!tell kmuto -about JustSoul
05:11<jm_>!tell JustSoul -about kmuto
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05:13<JustSoul>Now I sit on debian 4r0 updated to "testing" (some packages like libc6). I need to install debian on PC with strange motherboard. BUT! I cannot use kernel 2.6.24 because of some problems with special software that use special cifs-module (module panic). On 2.6.22 everything goes normal.
05:13<azeem>JustSoul: so file a bug
05:14<azeem>or get 2.6.22 from debian snapshot
05:14<dpkg>snapshots is probably Archive which contains all debian packages, including already removed from debian official archives because of very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or some other reasons. Please visit
05:14<JustSoul>now I try to get pata_jmicron module to install debian, then I want to install older version of kernel module for work
05:14<JustSoul>*of kernel, not module
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05:15<yury>it's the reading from stdin that's the problem
05:16<yury>maybe it polls too often or not enough or some interrupt problem
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05:17<yury>this sounds similar, but it's a 2.2 kernel
05:18<jm_>they also always mention group scheduling and ask people to disable it
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05:19<yury>ok, that's worth a shot
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05:22*yury disable control groups and group scheduling
05:22<JustSoul>yury: is it possible to compile module from >=2.6.20 kernel for 2.6.18 kernel?
05:22<yury>I wouldn't
05:22<yury>but.. it's possible to compile a module regardless
05:23<yury>whether you insert it or not...
05:23<yury>2.6.24 is considered stable, just use that
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05:23<yury>maybe not debian stable, but debian stable is...
05:23<yury>well... debian stable
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05:25<yury>you may need to do some... tweaking to get it to work too
05:25<yury>once again, I wouldn't
05:26*yury plays with compiz on his other core while a kernel compiles
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05:28<cusco>JustSoul: hat module would that be?
05:28<JustSoul>yury: when compiling modules (make modules) it's skip /drivers/ata directory or it goes not alfabeticaly?
05:28<yury>it goes in... an order
05:28<JustSoul>now I compilling...
05:28<yury>more or less alphabetical
05:28<jm_>JustSoul: it doesn't go alphabetically
05:28<cusco>it goes according to the makefile... :/
05:28<jm_>you can build just one dir/file too
05:28<yury>it is
05:29<yury>within each dir it's alphabetical
05:29<yury>more or less
05:29<yury>+/- dependencies
05:29<JustSoul>stop compilling?
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05:29<yury>what do you need
05:29<yury>only one module and no kernel?
05:30<JustSoul>ou.. I need to install debian on that damn PC
05:30<yury>then compile everything
05:30<JustSoul>what for?
05:30<yury>well, what do you need
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05:30<yury>do you need just one module or everything?
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05:31<JustSoul>I need, I think (or jm_ think), only pata_jmicron module, insmod it in d-i
05:31<yury>I'm not sure that module is in etch
05:31<yury>it might be
05:31<jm_>it isn't
05:31<jm_>ashe already found out
05:31<yury>in fact, debian may simply not have built it
05:31<jm_>no that's not an option
05:31<yury>ah, then you need to backport it
05:31<yury>or upgrade the kernel
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05:32<yury>I would go with a newer kernel here personally
05:32<JustSoul>I download debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso, and there is no such module
05:33<yury>install that first, without the module
05:33<yury>you'll add it later
05:33<JustSoul>after: (09:20:05) jm_: JustSoul: get d-i with newer kernel
05:33<yury>or do you need the module for the install?
05:33<jm_>JustSoul: that's why I gave you kmuto link
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05:34<JustSoul>yury: I can't install debian, because d-i doesn't find dvd-rom
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05:34<yury>oh, I see
05:35<yury>then go ahead with the kmuto thing
05:35<yury>or do a network/usb install
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05:35<pab-ges>hi there,
05:35<JustSoul>dvdrom connect to one ide port on motherboard that connected to jmicron chip
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05:35<yury>or do a network/usb install
05:36<yury>hm... does debian support PXE installs?
05:36<JustSoul>yury: for network install it ask load some packages from cd/dvd-rom
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05:36<JustSoul>yury: or you mean network boot?
05:37<pab-ges>I am trying to build xpoker and ld reports: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmt
05:38<JustSoul>I think, it's easear to teach me to make modules, than make full network-boot system =(
05:38<yury>admittedly, solaris does a better job here
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05:38<yury>boot off usb stick?
05:38<yury>or do what jm_ has been telling you
05:38<JustSoul>yury: make boot usb stick?
05:39<yury>and try a "newer" etch
05:39<yury>I used one once, but not debian
05:39<yury>so not sure how you would go about it
05:39<yury>try the kmuto thing
05:40<yury>meanwhile, I try a new kernel
05:40<pab-ges>xpoker uses motif and I installed some dev packages for that and libtiff2.
05:40<yury>pab-ges: try apt-file to locate it
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05:41<yury>or... you may need to compile it
05:41<pab-ges>Xmt does not belong to any lib - and google doesnt find any either
05:41<yury>are you sure you need it?
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05:42<yury>try removing it from the make file
05:42<yury>the symbols may be provided by something else
05:42<yury>and it may be obsolete
05:42<pab-ges>I compiled, maybe I show you the Makefile
05:42<yury>does it work?
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05:44<pab-ges>cannot find -lXt -lXmu -lXpm
05:45<yury>Xt you can get
05:45<yury>same for Xpm
05:45<JustSoul>yury: I compilled it, lets try..
05:45<yury>and xmu
05:45<yury>JustSoul: great
05:45<yury>erm.. so how are you installing this?
05:46<yury>libxt-dev, libxpm-dev, libxmu-dev
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05:48*yury tests a kernel
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05:50<pab-ges>need x11-common but this conflicts with libc6 version - I will stall this
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05:53<ciphergoth>I'm sure someone out there has already documented this, but I can't find it: a new version of some software has been released, and the diff.gz for Debian applies cleanly against it, what do I need to do to make a local .deb for this new version of the software?
05:53<ciphergoth>*checks that nick is fixed*
05:53<jm_>ciphergoth: debuild -uc -us -b
05:55<themill>!tell ciphergoth about nmg
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05:55<themill>ciphergoth: there's a section in the new maintainer's guide about upgrading to a new upstream release
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05:57<yury>and that did not help any
05:57<yury>thanks anyway jm_
05:58<yury>any other suggestions?
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05:59<jm_>find old kernel where it works and bisect it
06:00<yury>erm... I'm not sure which one that would be
06:00<yury>I guess I can try the stock debian one
06:00<yury>but stuff would break, and break bad
06:00<jm_>that would be a ogod start
06:00<yury>I have a lot of drivers that depend on the newer kernel
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06:00<yury>like iwl4965
06:00<yury>amongst other things
06:01<jm_>you don't need those for a simple keyboard test
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06:01<yury>I guess I should try this is single user mode first
06:01<jm_>you don't have real tty with login there
06:01<yury>you don't
06:01<yury>the kernel still allocates a tty
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06:02<yury>although, it would probably be different
06:02<jm_>worth trying, would be interesting to see if it's reproducible
06:02<yury>hm..., well I guess I'll give 2.6.18 a shot
06:02<yury>indeed, but I was looking for a simple solution
06:02<JustSoul>error inserting module error module format
06:03<yury>this laptop has been a lot of work already
06:03<yury>diff kernel versions? diff architectures?
06:03<JustSoul>i386 2.6.24
06:04<JustSoul>intel 2.6.24
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06:04<yury>I assume you mean 586 and up
06:04<JustSoul>debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso - I think i386
06:05<yury>I would imagine it would still work
06:05<yury>so, where exactly are you inserting this kernel
06:05<yury>the computer that you don't have debian installed on?
06:05<yury>that will not do you a whole lot of good
06:05<yury>why are you doing that?
06:05<JustSoul>I boot from that ^^^ cd
06:06<yury>so what's on this computer now?
06:06<JustSoul>yury: it's my work =)
06:06<JustSoul>MS Windows Vista
06:06<yury>so where are you inserting the module?
06:06<yury>are you making your own installer CD?
06:07<yury>if the installer doesn't have the drivers to detect the CD
06:07<yury>well... you need a new installer
06:07<jm_>JustSoul: did you actually try 2.6.24 d-i?
06:08<yury>need to try a diff kernel
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06:08<JustSoul>I boot from netinst cd in expert mode, check "search fo cdrom" and it found nothing; in console write mount /dev/fd0 /mnt; insmod /mnt/pata_jmicron.ko and/or insmod /mnt/jmicron.ko and/or /mnt/ libata.ko
06:08<JustSoul>jm_: uname -r -> 2.6.24
06:09<jm_>JustSoul: and it wasn't there even after modprobe?
06:09<JustSoul>here for compilling linux-source-2.6.24 package
06:10<JustSoul>modprobe what?
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06:11<JustSoul>jm_: modprobe pata_jmicron - such module not found..
06:11<jm_>JustSoul: with 2.6.24?
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06:12<JustSoul>on d-i - yes
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06:13<JustSoul>here, in installed linux-image-2.6.24-1 there is no such file. I cannot reboot and try modprobe, but I think it'll found nothing
06:13<jm_>JustSoul: damn it has old driver enabled only
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06:15<JustSoul>ok, any idea, help, ..?
06:15<jm_>hmm but etch CD somehow worked for my bro
06:16<jm_>did you try grml or knoppix?
06:16<JustSoul>i haven't them
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06:17<JustSoul>no, i have, at home, knoppix 3.3 =)
06:17<jm_>too old
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06:18<yury>partially debugged
06:18<yury>I get no problems with one kernel, 2.6.18, but only because it does not have enough drivers to power X
06:18<yury>if I shutdown X on another kernel, the console behaves again
06:19<jm_>so it's not kernel related?
06:19<yury>X related
06:20<yury>well, maybe kernel related, might be the video drivers
06:20<yury>I guess I can unload DRI
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06:23<yury>bah, too late for that now
06:23<yury>maybe debug tomorrow
06:23<yury>but at least, it's a start
06:23<yury>thanks jm_
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06:25<JustSoul>jm_: what me to do?
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06:25<JustSoul>jm_: sorry
06:25<jm_>JustSoul: well I would build my own kernel - alternatively try unloading all sata/ide modules and load jmicron first
06:26<JustSoul>jm_: You have jmicron chip?
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06:27<jm_>JustSoul: my bro has I965 board with jmicron yes, and my new motherboard will also have it
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06:27<jm_>i.e. you also have i965 + jmicron
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06:28<yury>same problem with vesa and no accel
06:28<yury>ok, no idea
06:28*yury kicks X and goes to sleep
06:29<JustSoul>yury: thanks for all
06:29<yury>how far did you get?
06:29<yury>did you try a diff installer
06:29<JustSoul>on the very beginnig
06:29<jm_>Debian kernels don't have pata_jmicron enabled so you were spot on
06:29<yury>anyway, good luck
06:30<yury>so it's in etch?
06:30<yury>no enabled in etch+0.5 either?
06:31<yury>what I mean is
06:31<yury>which kernel version did the driver support come in at
06:31<jm_>no idea, it exists in 2.6.24 but is disabled in Debian's kernel
06:32<yury>well, yeah, I said that like 2 hours ago ;P
06:32<yury>hence I compiled the module myself
06:32<yury>oh, wait
06:32<yury>you came in after that
06:32<yury>nvm, sorry
06:32<yury>wait, nvm
06:33<yury>I've lost track of time
06:33<yury>anyway, I thought debian compiles just about everything into their kernels
06:33<jm_>me too but they obviously don't trust PATA stuff based on libata yet
06:33<yury>well, that's the new way apparently
06:33<yury>haven't all the regular drivers been obsoleted
06:34<jm_>not yet no
06:34<yury>personally I think it's a good thing, unify the interface
06:34<yury>PATA/SATA/SCSI belong together in a way
06:34<yury>it's all ... disk-oid access
06:35<yury>er.. not a word, but whatever
06:35<yury>anyway, g'night
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06:37<JustSoul>jm_: mb to crate my own install disk with my own kernel?
06:38<JustSoul>or it is easear way?
06:38<jm_>JustSoul: that's one of the options I mentioned yes, but maybe try grml small ISO first
06:39<Fox_1_>hi all
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06:45<Jalal>Hi to all!
06:45*latitude *waves*
06:45<Jalal>this is my first IRC Chat from Parsix GNU\Linux!
06:46<latitude>Jalal: you're so far away from us
06:46<Jalal>And my first connect to the internet from PARSIX
06:46<jm_>this is for Debian though
06:46<JustSoul>jm_: grml_small_0.4.iso ?
06:46<jm_>JustSoul: yes
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06:50<JustSoul>internet leave us.. omg..
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06:51<JustSoul>it's take an hour to download grml =(
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07:16<padski>is there a pxe rom hiding somewhere in the lenny wemu ?
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07:23<karnov>hello all , some question on sudo .... i figure that i can have a clear explanation only here ... what's the purpose of the () in User HOST=(???) CMD ?
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07:25<Thotter>Hey, I'm trying to switch from getmail to fetchmail here, but somehow procmail now dumps all my mail in my inbox maildir and doesn't apply any filters. Does anyone have any idea why?
07:26<themill>karnov: it's a grouping marker. man 5 sudoers
07:26<Thotter>I know for sure it's going through procmail (I made it verbose), but it just won't match.
07:28<jm_>Thotter: why not?
07:29<Thotter>I wish I knew, that's why I ask here :P
07:29<Thotter>It worked in getmail, but the same config won't work in fetchmail somehow
07:30<karnov>txs themill
07:31<torsten>hello, i build an own debian paket by generating the dir DEBIAN and running dpkg-deb --build, how and where can i add dh_installinit to generate the init symlinks? is dh_installinit called while generating the paket or while installing it?
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07:32<jm_>are you perhaps using fetchmail -m?
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07:33<themill>torsten: man dh_installinit. You should use it in your debian/rules file, it then generates postinst and prerm scripts for you to manage the init scripts and symlinks
07:33<Thotter>err no, but I have the line mda "/usr/bin/procmail" at the end of my .fetchmailrc, does that count?
07:34<torsten>themill: thank you, i will generate a rules file
07:34<themill>!tell torsten about nmg
07:35<jm_>that's the same yes
07:35<Thotter>ok, so that's wrong then?
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07:35<jm_>try omiting it
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07:36<torsten>themill: thank you
07:37<Thotter>eh, but how?
07:37<MikeyLDS>i need help
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07:38<MikeyLDS>i'm hoping to set-up a website that will be hosted on a vm machine ... it's linux debian server but I dunno how to connect my ftp program to it to upload the files
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07:38<Thotter>I mean, how will it know to use procmail?
07:38<chandu>while booting on my old HP Vectra machine which has ide controller
07:38<chandu>Disk is not detecting .
07:39<chandu>in dmesg it is showing like
07:39<chandu>ICH: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
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07:39<chandu>Controller is getting detected but "fdisk -l" output shows nothing
07:39<chandu>what may be the problem
07:39<jm_>exim should do that automatically if you have procmailrc
07:40<Thotter>ah right... So I'll need an mta to do this for me :(
07:40<Thotter>sounds overkill
07:40<jm_>you can't install much withot it anyway
07:40<themill>Thotter: you need to have one anyway on your machine....
07:41<Thotter>only reason I'm switching to fetchmail is because it has a deamon mode...
07:41<Thotter>hmm really?
07:41<MikeyLDS>how can I find out my connection info in debian?
07:41<MikeyLDS>using a terminal
07:41<jm_>you most likely have it installed anyway
07:41<JustSoul>jm_: dmrl have only ./ata/pata_pcmcia.ko module
07:41<Thotter>ah yes, it was. I just didn't know it was required.
07:41<jm_>MikeyLDS: ifconfig ; netstat -nr
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07:42<Thotter>In my previous install I deinstalled it and installed a fake mta package...
07:42<jm_>JustSoul: then maybe build your own?
07:42<Thotter>so exim4 will automagically use procmail then? Worth at ry
07:42<JustSoul>jm_: maybe. but how?
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07:45<MikeyLDS>jm_, none of those ip's using netstat -nr look anything like my own ip
07:45<jm_>MikeyLDS: uhm that is your routing table
07:45<MikeyLDS>lol, dunno ... am a noob
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07:45<MikeyLDS>i am runnign windows with debian in a vm
07:45<MikeyLDS>and I need to transfer my website to it for testintg
07:45<laci>a/kick #debian prion
07:46<laci>a/kick #debian pryon
07:47<Thotter>jm_: Without the mda option the behaviour is still the same. Everything gets dumped in the default maildir
07:47<Gekz>what a fag.
07:47<themill>Thotter: are you sure it's not a procmail configuration problem? It's a pig to get working properly
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07:48<Thotter>themill: Quite sure. It works with getmail
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07:49<MikeyLDS>you still there jm_?
07:49<twb>Can I tell aptitude not to take apt and dpkg locks when, run as root, it's not actually MODIFYING the system but rather just displaying the GUI?
07:49<twb>That is, can I tell aptitude not to take the locks until I type g g ?
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07:51<jm_>twb: no
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07:53<jm_>maybe if you specify another lock file, not sure how foolish that is
07:53<twb>I guess it's aptitude's way of telling me I'm running too much (i.e. a GUI) as root
07:54<jm_>Thotter: I have such setup at home and it works perfectly, must be your rules
07:54<jm_>MikeyLDS: ifconfig will give you IP-s
07:54<twb>(The semantics are correct if I run aptitude's GUI as a normal user, and only run aptitude's CLI as root.)
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07:55<Thotter>jm_: But why does it work with getmail but not with fetchmail?
07:55<Thotter>I didn't change the rules
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07:56<MikeyLDS>ifconfig gave me an error jm_
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07:56<MikeyLDS>command not found
07:56<twb>MikeyLDS: /sbin/ifconfig
07:58<MikeyLDS>i see it in the directory ...:/sbin$ but I still get an eror when I try to run it
07:58<jm_>Thotter: using verbose mode and logabstract might reveal something
07:59<twb>MikeyLDS: give the full path
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07:59<twb>MikeyLDS: like typing "/bin/echo foo" instead of just "echo foo"
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07:59<MikeyLDS>cannon@debian-server:/sbin$ <<< full path
08:00<twb>MikeyLDS: you misunderstand
08:00<jm_>!tell MikeyLDS -about grounding
08:01<MikeyLDS>eeek, spam!
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08:02<Thotter>Perhaps it's because I'm matching on the Sender header?
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08:02*MikeyLDS thinks about going back to ubuntu :/
08:02<Thotter>it seems that if I match on a From header, it works
08:02<jm_>why are oyu using Sender?
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08:02<Thotter>jm_: Seemed like an easy way to match mailing lists. I can't match on From there
08:03<jm_>Thotter: but you can use To:
08:03<Thotter>Ok, so matching on Sender doesn't work?
08:03<Thotter>at least for fetchmail
08:03<jm_>it doesn't add that header
08:03<jm_>while getmail seems to do it
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08:04<Thotter>how strange.
08:04<twb>IIRC Sender denotes whatever random host you happen to be on, and From denotes your actual address.
08:05<karnov>in a ps report what Ss and Sl means ?
08:05<jm_>karnov: man ps
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08:05<twb>jm_: haha, I thought he mean a printed report that implemented in PostScript code
08:06<jm_>twb: :P
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08:14<Thotter>Yay, all is well now :
08:14<Thotter>so, just don't match onSender and it'll be fine, great. Thanks!
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08:16<solar_>"E: Method http has died unexpectedly! E: Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/http did not start correctly" - happens whenever I try to use apt-get install X or or do apt-get update. what could be wrong ? [i'm using debian lenny i386, bigmem kernel]
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08:29<doudou>anyone know about superkaramba??
08:29<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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08:31<doudou>The 'real' question is does anyone know about developing for superkaramba?
08:31<ranix>doudou: the answer is yes, somebody does know about developing for superkaramba
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08:32<doudou>ok how do I get the development software onto Ubuntu?
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08:32<azeem>doudou: this channel is not for Ubuntu
08:32<ranix>go to #ubuntu and ask them. I don't know jack daniels about ubuntu
08:33<doudou>well it could be any linux version
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08:34<padski>I'm trying to bridge qemu to pxe boot it from the host system using tap and bridge-utils following
08:34<padski>I see a DHCPDISCOVER, DHCPOFFER on the dhcp server, but the qemu says "No IP address" :-(
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08:35<twb>padski: tshark time?
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08:35<twb>padski: qemu has some other options to boot kernel and initrd directly, too, and I think some pxe stuff
08:36<padski>twb, sure I can the packets, but I doubt it will tell me any more
08:36<padski>I'm using qemu -hdd hdd.img -boot n -option-rom /usr/share/qemu/pxe-ne2k_pci.bin -no-kqemu -net nic -net tap,script=/etc/qemu-up
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08:37<twb>Sounds like you know more than me already
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08:39<padski>twb, unfortunately the knowledge I have accumulated seem to be very specific to makeing this NOT work :-(
08:40<Jalal>this is my first IRC Chat from Parsix GNU\Linux!
08:40<Jalal>Hi to all
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08:41<Jalal>Please Helpppppppppp me!
08:41<padski>dpkg parsix is see <kanotix>
08:41<dpkg>padski: okay
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08:42<Jalal>I want a persian room, ..
08:42<padski>dpkg parsix is also
08:42<dpkg>padski: okay
08:42<Jalal>Hi padski
08:42<dpkg>it has been said that parsix is see <kanotix>, or
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08:43<Jalal>I wan an Farsi ROOM!
08:43<padski>twb, turns out I only see the request packets when I dump the tap if
08:43<azeem>Jalal: please ask the people running parsix about this, we cannot help you
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08:44<Jalal> thanks azeem
08:44<padski>Jalal, #parsix on freenode
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08:45<padski>dpkg, parsix is also #parsix on
08:45<dpkg>padski: okay
08:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, parsix is see a live/installation CD derived from <kanotix> and based on Debian., or, or #parsix @, or #parsix on
08:45<padski>thanks :-)
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08:46<ranix>dpkg parsix is not #parsix on
08:46<dpkg>...but parsix is already something else...
08:46<ranix>eh I can't work the bot
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08:51<Fox_1_>does anyone know something about debian clone creation?
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08:52<padski>!debian clone
08:52<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
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08:58<santiago>does sb know php ?
08:59<padski>sb ?
09:00<padski>!irritate me
09:00<dpkg>padski: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol
09:00<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:00<santiago>sorry... second time using this
09:00<santiago>ok i will just ask
09:00<strawks>Hi all, I would like to purchase a multifunction printer (copier, printer, scanner) and of course it must be fully supported under debian. I know of hplip, but does any other maker has good support for their MFP?
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09:01<lacika>fuck you for evrybody
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09:01<Thotter>We love you too!
09:02<lacika>i am big hacker
09:02<santiago>i nee to include a php file, and for some reason ( web server issues ) i need to include it like require_once('../some/relative/path'). That will make all my scripts to be included succesfully, trhough apache. But now i need to run a script through cron job, and i must include files that have relatives paths linke the ones mentioned before.. require once fails i dont know what to do!! thanks in advance
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09:03<padski>!ops lacika is a troll
09:03<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: padski complains about: lacika is a troll
09:04<padski>must be lunch-time
09:04-!-mode/#debian [+q lacika!*@*] by Ganneff
09:04<pmenier>santiago: in your cron you cd in the directory before executing the script ?
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09:08<victor>hi, my debian laptop started to blackout the screen from yesterday, and there is no way to make it light up again, except restart.
09:08<victor>I just reinstalled the system, no use.
09:08<victor>could anyone please help?
09:08<amphi>victor: what laptop?
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09:10<soundheart>my laptop started to blackout since yesterday, and there is no way to light the screen up other than restart, what shall i do ?
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09:10<soundheart>sorry for asking again, but it really gets me.
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09:16<padski>soundheart, X oor console ?
09:17<amphi>soundheart: what laptop?
09:17<padski>thanks Ganneff
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09:18<santiago>pmneier im not sure if i understand what you mean, cron will just call a php script, and this will have requires that wont work... i have tried chdir using php function, and will work for the requires that are on the same script cron job invokes.. however they wont work on the requires that are on the previously required scripts.. am I clear??
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09:20<nathan_>hola debian peoples, i have one question, i know its simple, i know someone knows; fresh sid setup, how do i get my scanner to run as the user? [runs as root already]
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09:21<soundheart>padski: x
09:21<soundheart>amphi: ibm a30
09:22<avtobiff>nathan_, i bet google knows
09:22<avtobiff>nathan_, try (x)sane
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09:22<avtobiff>nathan_, ooh sorry. didn't fully read. but still i bet google knows anyway. you want to change the permissions on the scanner device file to allow users to use it as well
09:22<nathan_>avtobiff: i tried a few searches like permissions/groups/debian/chmod etc, but i keep getting rather technical results, and i seem to recall a simpler solution existed but cant quite remember it
09:23<avtobiff>nathan_, do you use udev for the scanner?
09:23<nathan_>avtobiff: maybe thats what im missing, its a net install and i always forget bits and pieces [like 'less']
09:24<avtobiff>nathan_, sorry i did not catch that...
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09:24<amphi>soundheart: see if there's any info on perhaps
09:25<nathan_>avtobiff: well i have udev installed
09:25<amphi>soundheart: is it just the screen is blanked, or is the machine hung? eg. can you type 'reboot' blind, and it works?
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09:26<avtobiff>nathan_, what device does the scanner become?
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09:26<avtobiff>nathan_, or is...
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09:27<nathan_>if i look in /dev is see a lot of usbdev3.1_ep8*** type of stuff
09:27<soundheart>amphi: just the screen is dark, everything else is normal.
09:27<nathan_>avtobiff: if i look in /dev is see a lot of usbdev3.1_ep8*** type of stuff
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09:27<avtobiff>nathan_, what scanner do you have?
09:27<nathan_>avtobiff: and no usb/ folder
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09:28<nathan_>avtobiff: canoscan lide20
09:28<soundheart>amphi: right now the screen is dark without backlight, but by the light of a lamp, I can still chat with you.
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09:30<avtobiff>nathan_, what device is used for the device?
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09:30<avtobiff>nathan_, check if there is something in /etc/udev/
09:31<amphi>soundheart: if you're in x, can you do anything with xbacklight?
09:32<nathan_>avtobiff: no such dir for me
09:32<amphi>soundheart: eg. xbacklight -set 100
09:32<soundheart>amphi: what's xbacklight, please?
09:33<avtobiff>nathan_, ok then. maybe you dont run udev after all... what device do you use for the scanner?
09:33<amphi>soundheart: an x program for controlling the, er, backlight
09:33<avtobiff>nathan_, can sane tell you that in some way?
09:33<soundheart>amphi: ok, i'll try the command line.
09:34<amphi>soundheart: it's in the eponymous package on testing, dunno about stable; what branch are you on?
09:34<nathan_>avtobiff: sane-find-scanner saysy found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9, product=0x220d, chip=LM983x?) at libusb:001:005
09:34<nathan_>avtobiff: found a .udev in /dev
09:34<soundheart>amphi: stable etch.
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09:35<amphi>soundheart: does apt-cache search xbacklight show anything?
09:35<avtobiff>nathan_, :/
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09:35<nathan_>avtobiff: yeah i think i may give it a logout/in and perhaps a silly reboot, its a super fresh install i upgraded to sid, so its a mystery
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09:36<nathan_>avtobiff: cheers for the help
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09:36<soundheart>amphi: it shows nothing.
09:36<soundheart>xbacklight -set 100
09:36<soundheart>bash: xbacklight: command not found
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09:37<padski>for those playing at home: tcpdump -e
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09:37<nathan_>avtobiff: yep logout worked, think it was just adduser nathan scanner, but it didnt count til i logged out of X
09:37<avtobiff>nathan_, yes
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09:38<avtobiff>nathan_, the new user environment doesn't work until you login again
09:38<nathan_>avtobiff: yeah i kept doing bash -l, then running xsane by command and thinking thatd be about the same effect but nope
09:39<nathan_>avtobiff: mystery solved, and it was simple, cheers, im going to tweak my new desktop, ciao
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09:39<soundheart>amphi: I've changed something settings in kde, how about restart again and see?
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09:48<Thotter>Does it hurt to shut down the computer while the fetchmail daemon is running? Is there a chance that it'll cause mail loss?
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09:50<avu>Thotter: theoreticly yes. even if fetchmail only deletes mail after successfull delivery, with fetchmail, successfull delivery only means handing off mail to the MTA, which yould still be in the process of writing it to its queue when you turn the machine off
09:52<Thotter>so something else in the chain might still screw up
09:52<Thotter>Is there any way to prevent that?
09:53<themill>Thotter: shutdown fetchmail from an init script quite early in the shutdown sequence
09:54<Thotter>don't all user processes get killed first in the shutdown sequence already though?
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09:54<themill>no, that's right at the end
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09:55<avu>if you think about it, it would be quite stupid to do it first. then shutdown scripts would have no chance to shutdown the processes they manage gracefully
09:55<Thotter>heh, very true yes
09:55<mosez>i hope that here somebody could help me...
09:55<themill>Thotter: fetchmail has its own init script
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09:56<avu>mosez: just ask
09:56<Thotter>I noticed. I might just switch to that, but I just set it up with a config in my homedir
09:56<Thotter>and the init file won't work with that
09:56<mosez>if i mount my webdav directory with cadaver it works fine. but if i try to mount it with davfs2 it doesnt ->
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09:56<mosez>i dont know why my user have to be on the root group for that
09:56<mosez>it's a debian etch system
09:56<Thotter>So now I have a @restart fetchmail -d 60 in my crontab to start it up at boot, but if it's going to cause trouble on shutdown I'll gladly move to systemwide configuration
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09:59<chilla>!seen zyz
09:59<dpkg>zyz <n=zyz@> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 815d 1h 34m 5s ago, saying: 'I have trouble with xterm : Color name "black" is not defined'.
10:00<jaakko>how can I install a compiled program so it is possible to remove later? Etch doesn't have checkroot.
10:00<padski>jakko, you mean checkinstall ?
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10:00<jaakko>padski: yes, thats it
10:01<mosez>hum... cant find a solution for my problem...
10:01<Thotter>Debian does have checkinstall, it's just not installed by default
10:01<jaakko>I just wonder.. isn't linux/debian all about compiling and installing as everything is changin continoysly...
10:01<grouby>does someone has worked with mod_dbd + mysql under apache 2.2 etch ?
10:01<padski>checkinstall wasn't in etch.
10:02<padski>!simple sid backport
10:02<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
10:02<Thotter>Oh sorry, I checked on lenny
10:02<padski>it was in sarge, and is in sid/lenny now. I think I have used it on etch, but its not in etch.
10:03<Thotter>Anyway, Debian isn't really about compiling and installing everything, though you can do that if you wish. Debian is more about having a set of packages that won't cause conflicts with eachother and such
10:03<Thotter>padski: Any idea why etch got skipped?
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10:04<padski>Thotter, no. you could look in the bts
10:04<mosez>davfs2 sucks :(
10:04<Thotter>mosez: Why don't you use cadaver if it worked for you?
10:04<Thotter>both are FUSE no?
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10:05<mosez>i want to access a directory on home with webdav and per ssh too
10:05<jaakko>Thotter: yes, debian works nice if the precompiled packages are enough, but I had to compile openbox because of a bad bug in etch and now I want to try skipstone browser. :)
10:05<mosez>as i know i can not write directly to the dav directory per shell.. so i wanted to mount it localy
10:05<mosez>and i dont want to edit every file with cadaver if i work directly on the server
10:05<jaakko>Thotter: every time I'm scared of messing my system with "make install" and no return.
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10:06<themill>jaakko: the openbox packages in weren't enough for you?
10:06<padski>!tell jaako about nmg
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10:07<grouby>does someone has worked with mod_dbd + mysql under apache 2.2 etch ?
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10:08<jaakko>themill: I don't know, there are so many places to look for.. And why not get the source and compile my self? Actually first time was easy, apt-get -b source
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10:09<themill>jaakko: is not "so many places to look" :) And there is an advantage in that you still get to update the package with apt rather than having to recompile it yourself each time there is an update.
10:09<Appz>hello all, i got a question, today i got myself a new router, with voip, if i go to the admin page i can see the phone calls over ip when i scan my external ip i see my voip port is open, now my question, my router is voip and my phone is just an ordinary phone, can i record phonecalls from our telephone like this?
10:09<Maulkin>Appz: How is this related to Debian?
10:10<Appz>Maulkin, i run debian maybe it has some packages for ot
10:10<ananth123>how do i setup my mike to record audio ???
10:10<Maulkin>Appz: Ask whoever you got your router off.
10:11<Appz>Maulkin, thats the guy of my ISP and he dindt know >.<
10:11<mosez>dont understand that shit :(
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10:12<jaakko>themill: well.. it is not. But yes, it is not enough at now, I wanted alt-tab showing windown content, had to get 3.4.6.
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10:16<gsimmons>grouby: See bug #405773 in the BTS.
10:17<dpkg>one warez list being sent to sowngold
10:18<sowngold>what is software that convert from *.3gp to *.mp4?
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10:19<pumpkin0>sowngold: mencoder
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10:20<themill>normally we have people trying to work out how to convert from mp4 to something useful...
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10:26<schlurchz>Hi folks. Is it possible to compile & run Gnash 0.8.2 with Etch? still has 0.7.2.
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10:35<yitz>Hello, peoples. Can someone tell me where the Gnome Menu System is stored?
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10:40<grouby>gsimmons: i've successfully compiled it into libaprutil but it does not connect to mysql, i've always got: [error] (22)Invalid argument: DBD: failed to initialise
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10:42<mosez>debian drives me crazy
10:43<themill>there's a song about that
10:43<mosez>i wanna have gentoo on this box :(
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10:43<amphi>!pal mosez
10:43*dpkg points at mosez and laughs uproariously
10:43<neekofab>Have fun with your quality ebuilds then... :)
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10:44<mosez>because gentoo does what i want and everything works fine...
10:44<themill>mosez: so long, have a nice day
10:44<mosez>i try since hours to get davfs2 working
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10:45<Thotter>wasn't the problem that you could only mount as root?
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10:45<mosez>but it have to be mountable as user :(
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10:45<yitz>Anyone know where if the file system the menu system is read from?
10:46<mosez>i will try to mount as root
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10:46<Thotter>mosez: That isn't a problem from davfs2 though
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10:46<neekofab>yitz #GNOME? at a guess I think there's a menu-editor in gnome... try that?
10:47<yitz>neekofab: I think the menu editor only hides/unhides. I'll try #gnome. Thanks
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10:48<neekofab>yitz you want changes for all users or just yours?
10:48<mosez>then it is a mount problem
10:48<Thotter>So add an entry in fstab for it
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10:49<mosez>there is an entry on fstab
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10:49<Thotter>does it contain the user option?
10:50<mosez>$ grep mosez /etc/fstab
10:50<mosez> /home/mosez/work davfs user,noauto 0 0
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10:50<Thotter>it does
10:50<Thotter>and what is the error if you try to mount as user?
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10:51<Thotter>oh okay, in that case it is davfs :(
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10:53<neekofab>mozsez as a guide?
10:58<dorian>hi! i have a little question, i'm a new debian user and got some problems: i startet xchat directly in the background, but when i close de terminal, the chat will be closed automaticly too :(
10:59<yitz>dorian: You can usually hit Alt+F2 and run XChat from there.
10:59<mosez>grrr... it seems to be a dpkg-reconfigure error
10:59<yitz>dorian: Or run XChat in the background by running `xchat &`
10:59<yitz>If I got sarge installed and want to switch over to etch... Is there an easy method (eg simply add the etch repo) or is it complicated to make it work?
11:00<Thotter>to keep a program running after you close the terminal, use nohup
11:00<mosez>there was "dav_group $group" on the davfs config only
11:00<Thotter>so "nohup xchat&"
11:00<Cyorxamp>Lo, if I wanted to dist-upgrade my etch to lenny, and possibly again to sid... is there a way of getting back to etch if I don't like it?
11:00<mosez>changed it to users and i get an error with the template stuff only
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11:06<dreamer_>any body here?
11:06<yitz>They all went out to lunch a few minutes ago
11:06<dreamer_>thankz neekofab
11:07<dreamer_>neekofab, can I ask u something about drealinux?
11:07<dreamer_>neekofab, can I ask u something about dreamlinux?
11:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
11:08<dreamer_>i'm using apt-get command n the result is ...Reading package lists... Done
11:08<dreamer_>Building dependency tree
11:08<dreamer_>Reading state information... Done
11:08<dreamer_>E: Couldn't find package update
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11:09<dreamer_>i'm using apt-get command n the result is ...Reading package lists... Done
11:09<dreamer_>but i have problem
11:09<dreamer_>Reading state information... Done
11:09<neekofab>dreamer Dunno anything about dreamlinux
11:10<dreamer_>neekofab, yes
11:10*dreamer_ newbie
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11:10<dreamer_>i just installed it now
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11:10<Cyorxamp>dreamer_: You realise version 3 was released a couple days ago, and that they have a very active forum
11:11<dreamer_>Cyorxamp,: forum in IRC??
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11:11<dreamer_>what channel?
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11:11<Cyorxamp>dreamer_: Theres no one in the IRC channels at the moment, but normally its either #dreamlinux or #dream-linux
11:11<Cyorxamp>However I mentioned the forum
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11:12<ajcc>Hello, I'm trying to set up so that I can use an external monitor with it. Everything is working, except that I can't get the resolution right on the external monitor. It was right once, and then not again. I'm using Xtrap so that I can move the mouse between the screens. And I have made the external screen leftof internal... hmm, pastbin?
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11:13<tRaSh[4]>hey girls
11:14<cahoot>The requested URL /d43d602el was not found on this server
11:15<ajcc>oh, sorry,
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11:16<ajcc>if it helps, the resolution is the same, but the verticalsync is the same
11:16<ajcc>ehm, the verticalsync is not the same
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11:16<overflow>Hey, why _firefox_ is not at Debian repositories?
11:17<ajcc>overflow: iceweasel is your friend, firefox without the non-free name
11:17<sutula>overflow: see iceweasel
11:17<yitz>Yeah. What's up with that? Firefox is free, but the name isn't? How's that work?
11:18<overflow>I know iceweasel , I use it, but, is the name restriction part of the MPL?
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11:19<mosez>hum... webdav sucks... now i've got it working and i can not checkout an svn repository into it
11:19<cahoot>ajcc: what does xrandr -v return?
11:19<overflow>coz if does then is GPL compatible right?
11:20<Thotter>I believe firefox is a trademark of mozilla. They'll only let you use it for their versions of the code, so the name is unfree
11:20<sutula>overflow: I would bet there was *tons* of discussion on debian-devel mailing list...could probably review that for the reasons
11:20<Thotter>same for their firefox icon
11:21<yitz>But "Firefox" can be downloaded and ran on Linux. So the name can't be used on the non-official repo? Its a distribution thingy?
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11:22<Thotter>no, the name firefox can't be used on versions of the program that weren't approved by mozilla
11:22<Thotter>so if you slightly alter firefox, you can't call it firefox anymore, or use the icon
11:22<Thotter>at least, that is what I understood of it
11:22<yitz>Ah. So someone tweaked iceweasel, then?
11:23<yitz>What's different? Other than bookmarks
11:23<Thotter>it's not so much that anything is different, but Debian doesn't want to put things in the free repo that are partly non-free
11:23<ajcc>cahoot: Server reports RandR version 1.2
11:23<Thotter>Though Debian does backport patches and such in stable versions
11:24<cahoot>ajcc: see if this can be of use then:
11:24<Thotter>so the "firefox" in stable is usally different from upstream
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11:24<ajcc>cahoot: I'll take a look :)
11:26<yitz>Oh. Cool. The trademark is non-free and the rest is. Drop the name and its totally free. Cool! I guess the Deb team got some lawyers or something who work out these stuffs.
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11:29<Thotter>actually there seems to be a btter explanation here:
11:31<sutula>Thotter: Good explanation...thanks
11:31<Thotter>no problem
11:31<Maulkin>That's actually quite a good summary
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11:32<Maulkin>It was to do with the code changes, but the main issue (IIRC) was the use of the fireforx(tm) name with the non-firefox(tm) logo
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11:36<ajcc>cahoot: seems to be it, thanks!
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11:37<yitz>Good article on Wiki. Maulkin: originally had to do with the fact that the logo wasn't free. But later Mozilla revoked their permission for Debian to use the name as well
11:37<yitz>If I got sarge installed and want to switch over to etch... Is there an easy method (eg simply add the etch repo) or is it complicated to make it work?
11:38<Maulkin>yitz: yes.
11:38<Maulkin>yitz: and s/sarge/etch/ and follow the release notes.
11:38<Maulkin>It's fairly straight forward
11:38<yitz> s/sarge/etch -> just to the source.lst file?
11:39<Hydroxide>yitz: has a link to the release notes which should explain everything to do and be careful of
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11:39<Hydroxide>also, hi Maulkin :)
11:39<yitz>Ah. Thank you
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11:43<yitz>Is there any point in upgrading my PII server from sarge to etch?
11:44<muep>I think sarge doesn't have very much support left
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11:44<muep>if so, you probably need to upgrade anyway sooner or later
11:45<janrocks>if it works I would leave it be
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11:45<janrocks>is there any pressing security need to upgrade?
11:46<janrocks>then I would leave it
11:46<yitz>I'm not doing much with it besides SSH, Perl and... that's about it
11:46<janrocks>etch can be a little heavy on resources for older servers
11:46<janrocks>mine is still running woody
11:47<jaakko>yitz: what is running on the server? I think php (and apache) are good reasons to have updated system
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11:47<yitz>I might add MySQL sometime, but its got no Apache/php ATM
11:47<chealer>yitz: yes (Sarge is no more supported, as muep wrote)
11:48<muep>I'd keep anything connected to internet updated
11:48<yitz>Its behind a router with only port 443 (ssh) exposed
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11:49<yitz>I've got a second hard drive plugged in that'd currently only being used for swap that I eventually want to move the entire OS onto (its 10GB vs the old one's 1GB), so I guess when I find time I'll just do a reinstall on the new drive. Maybe with woody if it runs faster :D
11:49<janrocks>woody is very old
11:50<janrocks>i would upgrade when you migrate to larger drive
11:50<yitz>The system is a PII with 64MB RAM. If its less resource intensive...
11:50<janrocks>you will need more ram for mysql anyway
11:51<muep>how much does mysql need?
11:51<yitz>Oh... Ouch :( Scratch MySQL then.
11:51<muep>it at least starts with only 80 megs :-)
11:51<janrocks>to install, then it will run in a 128 environment
11:52<muep>I had the Ubuntu 6.06 LAMP server on an old box at one time
11:52<yitz>I got my sparkling new Desktop on port 444 (ssh) with 1GB RAM. Its not always on/in Linux (dual boot), but I should be able to use it to play with MySQL.
11:52<chealer>janrocks: why what?
11:53<janrocks>chealer : why upgrade for the sake of it when everything is working and secure
11:53<chealer>janrocks: it's not for the sake of it. as we wrote, sarge is no more supported.
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11:54<jaakko>chealer: is your micro wave supported, are you going to upgrade it?
11:54<jaakko>whede do you need support with working system?
11:54<janrocks>chealer : but many many live servers are running sarge and before, support is not so much of an issue
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11:55<janrocks>IMHO etch has some rather large problems. I am waiting for lenny improving some more before I think of upgrades to my 6 webservers
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11:57<janrocks>sarge may no longer be "officially" supported, but that is because it is as close to completely fixed and secure as can be
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11:58<janrocks>I would advise upgrades to any live web applications though, on a service by service basis
11:58<janrocks>particularly php and apache (if used)
11:59<chealer>janrocks: sorry, I just woke up and red the question as being about PII-s in general.
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12:00<chealer>jaakko: AFAIK my microwave lacks an OS
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12:00<janrocks>chealer : I'm not criticising, just questioning the need to upgrade a working stable server
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12:00<janrocks>I run PII servers and they don't like etch
12:01<Thotter>actually it just might have an OS. After all, a microwave has to multitask (be responsive to button presses, even while microwaving) and such, so pretty good chance that the microwave designer used a microOS for that
12:01<janrocks>tested with lenny 6 months ago and they wroked well so I am waiting for a little longer and then will update all of them
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12:02<janrocks>Thotter : my microwave has 2 knobs on the front and will run with the door open XD
12:03<Thotter>janrocks: Okay, in that case it's probably OSless :-P
12:03<cahoot>truly free and open src
12:03<janrocks>I think it needs replacing not upgrading
12:03<Thotter>aren't you afraid of the thing? I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it when it's on...
12:03<janrocks>I like it
12:03<jaakko>Who said that operating system has to be electrical?? :D
12:03<janrocks>it was free (like free beer) hehehe
12:04<janrocks><jaakko> Who said that operating system has to be electrical?? :D
12:04<janrocks>my dog has a great OS
12:04<janrocks>simple and effective
12:05<janrocks>4 applications, all honed to perfection
12:05<janrocks>i don't mention 5 and 6
12:05<jaakko>janrocks: it will dist-upgrade if you let it meet other dogs
12:05<janrocks>nose to butt direct connection?
12:06<janrocks>ahhh.. canine usb
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12:09<janrocks>yitz : if you decide to upgrade I would advise going up to lenny. it seems to work better in a low resource environment
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12:14<serge>hi people! How to adjust correct geometry for my LCD wide screen monitor with resolution 1440x900 ? The problem that fonts look not good, symbols are misshaped (wide), etc... I adjusted xorg.conf, but not much luck.
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12:17<Thotter>serge: I had to remove all non-widescreen resolutions from xorg.conf before it would work
12:18<Thotter>I doubt that's the right solution though
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12:22<serge>Thotter, I've done the same and restarted X, it looks a little bit better now, but, for example round shapes looks like ovals...
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12:24<Thotter>Perhaps try the link from cahoot then
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12:28<padski>I seem tohave something evil like a utf16 file. vi and cat seem to understand but less understands differently. I take it etch is a bit early to expect this to work ?
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12:34<blarson>padski: use iconv to convert it to utf8
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12:42<padski>blarson, thanks that was my next question
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12:53<ajcc>Now I got dualhead to work, almost, turned out my graphiccard only supported 1280x1024 in 16M colours and 75 or 60Hz... but now there's a lot of noise on the external screen. And Iceweasel does crash, mplayer can't play in fullscreen.
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12:54<ajcc>I'll try to upload an image somewhere
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13:02<ajcc>Hardware: Sr Inc. SuperSavage IX/C SDR (it does have dualhead support in Xorg) in an IBM Thinkpad T23 (with newest bios and embededcontroller?)
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13:14<EmleyMoor>I expected the installation of my new trackball to be "plain sailing" and I was right - it worked like a dream, wheel and all, straight away
13:15<EmleyMoor>Just been wondering what to do when the time comes to replace this keyboard... seen one with a hub and card reader, or with a hub and audio ports but not sure if either of them is any good
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13:20*EmleyMoor tries out Shockwave again - not used it since my last Wine upgrade and it wasn't too happy last night
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13:20<EmleyMoor>Wish it could be got native
13:21<craigevil>write Adobe and bitch, it works just fine usign CrossOver Office
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13:22<EmleyMoor>I told Adobe ages since
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13:25<Aristocles>anybody doing any music recording using debian?
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13:25<ajcc>Aristocles: I do, I use Rosegarden
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13:26<ajcc>Audacity is also ok, if you are just going to record, like a digital tapedeck
13:26<Aristocles>ajcc, great!! do you have a patched kernel, realtime?
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13:27<ajcc>no, I've friend who use jack and alsa to get rid of any decay (delay in sound)
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13:28<Aristocles>ajcc, oh I see. well i just have a few songs i want to record...needed some input i guess.
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13:28<ajcc>mixer -> soundcard and record :)
13:29<Aristocles>lol. thanks.
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13:29<Aristocles>that was my next question, lol
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13:32<tonyd138>is anyone here?
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13:33<ajcc>I suggest that you ask your question, and you'll find out :)
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13:34<tonyd138>I think I will patiently wait for someone else to ask a question
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13:42<jaakko>How can I do a DNS lookup in console?
13:43<jaakko>I found a script using "dnslookup", but it does not work on my box
13:43<alaya>host command in bind9-host package
13:43<jaakko>I know I can install "host", but is there anything at default?
13:46<jaakko>alaya: thanks for the package name :)
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13:47<berto>dig [ @server ] query [ type ]
13:48<jaakko>berto: no "dig" here
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13:51<tonyd138>you can use nslookup also
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13:53<berto>yeah, but you have to install any of those commands
13:54<berto>if you just want to get the 'A' record you can even use ping ;)
13:54<berto>provided that it's installed, that is
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13:57<tonyd138>nslookup will also give you the dns server that resoleved it
13:57<tonyd138>ping will only give you the first IP where nslookup will give you all the ips of say google
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13:58<gloupy>i can see a process taking nearly 100% of cpu with top, i would like to check it in a script. how ?
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14:00<ajcc>strange strange strange
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14:05<jaakko>gloupy: top -b
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14:06<jaakko>gloupy: and the usual sed grep.. :)
14:06<gloupy>yes but is there not a more nice way ? how does top compute the cpu usage ?
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14:16<chantanito>does anybody know what happened to audacious in lenny?
14:19<chantanito>it says: Violación de Segmento (Segment Violation)
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14:25<needinghelpwithlan>Hi, i'm looking for help with linux (knoppix) since i'm backing up this pc
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14:26<needinghelpwithlan>i need to get on the windows home area network here
14:27<needinghelpwithlan>ah samba works
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14:29<udinaaaa>ci sono donne?
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14:34<telenieko>hi ppl. I have an Etch/lenny box that is freezing at boot time, when it modprobe's "thermal.ko" any clues?
14:34<Supaplex>try blacklisting it
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14:35<telenieko>I'd prefer to have in loaded, it was working until yesterday or so, so I assume there's something broken inside the computer and I'd like to solve it not using workarounds :)
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14:58<udinaaaa>ci sono donne?
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14:58<chealer>!tell udinaaaa about it
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15:03<norbert_>hi, I created a GPL application and I would like to put it on-line tomorrow with free hosting, but not with sourceforge (sf), can anyone recommend a place where I immediately can get free web space (no php/mysql required) that will be relatively stable?
15:03<telenieko>google code ?
15:03<udinaaaa>why not sourceforge?
15:04<telenieko> wiki, subversion and issue tracker
15:04<norbert_>google code, myeah... but I'd prefer an ftp thing
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15:04<udinaaaa>why not sourceforge?
15:04<norbert_>udinaaaa: I read your question, please give me some time to formulate an answer
15:05<norbert_>udinaaaa: because the project is partially GPL and not entirely, and I've had things hosted there before that they removed because of that very reason
15:05<steve22>nobert__ that suck!
15:05<norbert_>without warning me or anything
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15:06<norbert_>Supaplex: it's already hosted at localhost, but I don't want to change my firewall's settings
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15:06<norbert_>telenieko: is google code easy as 1-2-3, I mean, like uploading with ftp, or do I have to create various accounts and will google track me forever?
15:06<steve22>linux is so eas now :D
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15:17<HackerDream85>¿alguien puede hablarme? por favor...
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15:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:19<HackerDream85>¿alguien puede ayudarme?
15:20<Supaplex>sorry, I understand english and little else
15:20<HackerDream85>I would like to connect to irc :(
15:20<Hopposai>hi, can anyone here speak mod_rewrite?
15:21<Hopposai>i'm trying to use mod_rewrite on php5/apache2.2 and i can't seem to get it to work
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15:28<jaakko>Is Firefox spyware?
15:28<jaakko>eh, iceweasel
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15:28<dpkg>i heard iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
15:29<jaakko>Is it appropriate to send cookies when "GET /en-US/firefox/headlines.xml HTTP/1.1" automatically at startup?
15:30<Supaplex>delete the live bookmark off your bookmark toolbar
15:30<jaakko>As those damn things are they by default, I did not care them actually, just left them.
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15:30<jaakko>Yes, did that when noticed the action.
15:30<Supaplex>it's what mozilla ships by default
15:30<jaakko>But does the live bookmark need my cookie?
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15:31<Supaplex>your cookie?
15:31<jaakko>Yes, it seems to be my last visit at some mozilla page
15:31<Supaplex>you're paranoid that's how they're tracking you?
15:31<jaakko>"Cookie: __utmz=183859642.1206733934.1.1.utmccn=(organic)|utmcsr=google|utmctr=vista+firefox"
15:31<Supaplex>that looks more like a google one
15:31<jaakko>I searched with google, ended up to mozilla page. And it was yesterday. Have started iceweasel many times..
15:32<jaakko>Google -> mozilla -> cookie. And that is going outside every time I start iceweasel.
15:32<Supaplex>and what's the home page?
15:33<jaakko>My start page? local. But those queries "Host:"
15:33<Supaplex>I think it has something to do with
15:34<jaakko>They propably use the same browsing engine and cookie goes automatically to known host. But should not, at my opinion.
15:34<Supaplex>GET -de | grep -i cook isn't setting the cookie
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15:45<jaakko>Supaplex: This page set that cookie:
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15:47<Supaplex>go ahead and add to your list of ignored cookies
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15:49<jaakko>I already removed the feed thing, and I don't actually care too much about cookies. But I think this "automatically calling home by default with your private google search at startup" is not something I expected from debian package.
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15:52<jaakko>But yes, I just have to accept that browser is not anymore a plain browser. Perhaps it has dome p2p app next time mounted in it.
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15:56<jaakko>Supaplex: is it possible that some debian program gets update without asking?
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15:58<Supaplex>not unless you asked it to
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16:23<nburns>yay, I got epic to work in cygwin!
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16:31<MegaIRC>can anyone help me with vnc tunneling?
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16:31<Supaplex>just anyone? well I don't know
16:32<MegaIRC>well i need to tunnel though a box to get to the vncserver that i am needing
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16:34<MegaIRC>computer #1 has a dyndns name so i can ssh to it, then i need to vnc to another computer on the NAT where #1 is
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16:35<MegaIRC>is that possible?
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16:35<Zathras>hi. In order to selfcompile and install Gnash 0.8.x on Debian Etch I had to build some libs and apps from source packages. This turned out to be quite a list. Result: gnash still does not compile (more libs needed) and Debian now thinks I run Sid/lenny and has become instable. Some websites crash browsers and x-windows causing a reboot of X. Or even sometimes hang Debian altogether. How can I "apt downgrade" or something like that please?
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16:54<Kebianizao>I'm not very comfortable with my synpatics touchpad. On my former laptop I had an alps touchpad which I manage to be quite happy with, but I'm unable to fing the keys for a fine configuration of this one
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16:54<Kebianizao>my main problems are taps which are hardly detected and 3rd button emulation on corner, Does anyone a working configuration which I could try?
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16:58<Zathras>hi. In order to selfcompile and install Gnash 0.8.x on Debian Etch I had to build some libs and apps from source packages. This turned out to be quite a list. Result: gnash still does not compile (more libs needed) and Debian now thinks I run Sid/lenny and has become instable. Some websites crash browsers and x-windows causing a reboot of X. Or even sometimes hang Debian altogether. How can I "apt downgrade" or something like that please?
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17:00<Kebianizao>Zathras: it is usually said that if you need to downgrade you'd rather reinstall
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17:01<Kebianizao>the other end would be forcing a downgrade or the mean point would be sticking to lenny for example and wait till it is stable
17:01<Zathras>can be 2 years....
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17:03<Kebianizao>Zathras: no, lenny is targetted afer the summer, maybe we'll have a release this year
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17:04<Zathras>wow. Woody-sarge took centuries
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17:05<Kebianizao>Zathras: I think we're on the soft lenny freeze if not quite close
17:05<Zathras>stil about 4-6 months minimum with multiple crashes daily
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17:05<Zathras>thanks for the info
17:05<Kebianizao>Zathras: then reinstall but crashes should be for some reason
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17:06<Kebianizao>that's more than ppl running other MO$ can say ;)
17:06<Zathras>partly due to giant memory leaks in Iceweasel release after release after release.....
17:07<Kebianizao>Zathras: are you blaming iceweasel?
17:07<Kebianizao>Zathras: apt-cache policy iceweasel
17:08<Zathras>iceweasel, icedove, firefox/thunderbird on windows all are huge problems release after release
17:08<Zathras>they are great in usage. But provide serious problems in memory management
17:08<Zathras>and can screw up also a lot
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17:13<r2>hi sluts...
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17:16<Kebianizao>Zathras: I think you should decide what Debian version you want to run and stick to it, that's all
17:17<Kebianizao>you can't expect Debian heals itself after doing the horrendous things you've done ;)
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17:18<Zathras>I usually use Debian in a flexible way by upgrading partly during time. But I though there was something like apt-get dist-upgrade or something
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17:19<Zathras>if I remember correctly there was even something like apt-get dist sarge
17:19<Zathras>so therefor I wondered if there was something like: apt-get dist etch to reverse things
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17:19<Zathras>bad luck I suppose
17:20<Kebianizao>Zathras: on Debian you could upgrade seamleassly but not downgrade
17:20<Zathras>Kebianizao, will that soft freeze be arch independent as I run amd64
17:20<Kebianizao>Zathras: still , you could downgrade, but that's not guarantee it will work
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17:21<Kebianizao>Zathras: soft freeze is distro wide, not depending on archs or SW versions
17:21<Zathras>also isn;t there an integrity check package that can install the correct versions?
17:21<Kebianizao>Zathras: you would have the right package, only that there are misinteraction between packages
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17:22<Kebianizao>well, this is getting too phylosophic, if you have a particular problem with an app then we may tackle it, so choose any starting point
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17:22<Zathras>k. ty
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17:28<Hrmzaqa>help needed
17:28<Hrmzaqa>i updated system yesterday and new kernel 2.6.24 was installed...
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17:29<Hrmzaqa>problem is i cant get nvidia drivers work
17:29<Kebianizao>Hrmzaqa: what debian?
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17:32<Supaplex>Hrmzaqa: how did you install the nvidia drivers to start with? or module-assistant?
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17:41<amapac>quién ta por ahì
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17:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:44<hrmzaqa_1>lenny, drivevers installed as I usually do after kernel update apt-get install linux-headers.XXXXXXX and sh
17:44<hrmzaqa_1>i'm getting message extraction failed when i run nvidiaXXXX. run
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17:45<hrmzaqa_1>Supaplex: any idea?
17:45<Kebianizao>hrmzaqa_1: you tried with latest installer version?
17:46<Supaplex>for one dont' use the .run
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17:46<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:46<hrmzaqa_1>browsing internet and i found few similar cases
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17:47<hrmzaqa_1>i've done this instalation maybe 10 time... never had problem
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17:47<Supaplex>and that implies it'll never be a problem?
17:48<Kebianizao>Supaplex: nvidia privative driver is not usable on lenny, dep problems
17:48<Kebianizao>you need xserver 1.4 which is not available on lenny
17:48<Supaplex>I back ported all this by hand from sid a few weeks ago
17:48<Kebianizao>Supaplex: and where's that result? is available publicly?
17:49<Supaplex>I even backported m-a so it'll use nvidia.tbz2 or whatever
17:49<Kebianizao>I met a guy these days with the same problem
17:49<Supaplex>deb http://li/~supaplex/.myrepo/nvidia-backports etch main contrib non-free where li is
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17:49<Kebianizao>Supaplex: :O congrats! ;)
17:49<Supaplex>amd64 only :)
17:50<Supaplex>and I appoligize for my sucky repos. I have a new method I'm rehashing for all my systems 'real soon now' iykwim ;)
17:50<Kebianizao>suiside: http://li ?
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17:51<Kebianizao>Supaplex: ^
17:51<hrmzaqa_1>so it's pronlem of new kernel then?
17:51<hrmzaqa_1>2.26.22 is running still fine
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17:51<noob>um.. dumb question: how do I retrieve a complete (recursive) directory list of file modified or created after a certain time?
17:51<Supaplex>that's because you have the nvidia.ko inyour 2.26.22 /lib/modules/.../
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17:52<Kebianizao>noob: retrieve from where?
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17:53<Kebianizao>Supaplex: can't get into your repo
17:53<noob>command line?
17:53<noob>i'm imagining .. ls -l(sort by ctime starting with xx/xx/xxxx)
17:53<Supaplex>maybe I boke it. 1m
17:54<Kebianizao>noob: man find
17:54<hrmzaqa_1>Supaplex: understand but why i cant install drivers on 2.26.24 ?
17:54<Kebianizao>hrmzaqa_1: I think you should ask nvidia
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17:55<Supaplex>supaplex@li:~/public_html/.myrepo$ netstat -tl | grep www
17:55<Supaplex>tcp 0 0 *:* LISTEN
17:55<noob>Kebianizao: example, please?
17:56<Kebianizao>Supaplex: I get it, I misread before
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17:57<Kebianizao>noob: look for -ctime and mtime
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17:59<Kebianizao>Supaplex: but this are for etch, I thought they were for lenny
18:00<Kebianizao>anyway it's a good job, pity it's not more visible I'm sure a lot of ppl would like to test it
18:00<noob>Kebianizao: thx
18:00<Supaplex>the deb line clearly says etch :) I didn't say I backported it to lenny.
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18:00<Kebianizao>Supaplex: well, I gues it's too late for my neuron to work even at 20%, sorry
18:00<Supaplex>it's merly a <simple sid backport> of a few things, and reprepro
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18:01<Supaplex>my makefile is even publicly viewable. I don't recall where the build logs are, but all this is getting a make-over eventually.
18:01<noob>Kebianizao: find -ctime 30 (would this show everything created in the last 30 days?)
18:01<Kebianizao>noob: think so
18:01<Supaplex>the makefile maintains the repo is all (not involved in builds)
18:02<noob>Kebianizao: returning nothing
18:02<Kebianizao>noob: find . -ctime 30
18:02<noob>Kebianizao: maybe this isn't recursive?
18:03<Kebianizao>noob: no, ctime returns what's created n days ago, exactly that
18:03<noob>Kebianizao: how do I make this recurse subdirectories?
18:03<Kebianizao>noob: find . -ctime -30
18:04<Kebianizao>noob: read the whole man. It's what I do I'm sure you're smarter than me
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18:04<noob>Kebianizao: heheh.. i don't speak whatever language it's written in .. seems like astrophysics
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18:05<Kebianizao>noob: then why don't you use a file browser like human beings? e.g. konqueror
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18:32<oza>I keep getting 'retry time not reached for any host' in my exim logs but i knwo the mail server is working becasue i can send mail to other hosts and to the same host from other email servers. Is there a way to flush teh DNS so it can get a fresh lookup ?
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18:35<witte>hello, I get the following screens when i try to log out of my session: I use wdm and windowmaker an a dual screen setup, which works perfectly until logging out...
18:36<witte>I find no errors, and if i do ctrl-alt-backspace, i can log in again, but not via the nicer 'exit session'. When this happens, i can still log into the machine with, but xorg is 100% cpu
18:37<witte>I can't go to tty at that moment
18:37<witte>now the obvious question: anyone knows what the problem is :-)
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18:37<witte>btw: i tried other WM and other dm as well
18:38<witte>and i am running debian unstable on a amd64
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18:39<Kebianizao>witte: Debian version? video card?
18:39<Kebianizao>1st ok, 2nd?
18:40<witte>ah, right: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS (rev a1) using the nv drivers
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18:40<witte>maybe i should just attempt the non-free drivers from nvidia :-/
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18:41<Kebianizao>witte: you sure, you are running latest nv and xorg versions?
18:41<Kebianizao>witte: also have you had a look at Xorg.0.log?
18:42<witte>Kebianizao: ii xserver-xorg 1:7.3+10 the X.Org X server; ii xserver-xorg-v 1:2.1.8-3 X.Org X server -- NV display driver
18:42<witte>Kebianizao: yes, i did, but nothing very strange
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18:42<witte>Kebianizao: and it works!, just not after exit
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18:42<Kebianizao>witte: xserver-xorg-core?
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18:43<witte>Kebianizao: ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4.1~git20080131-2
18:43<witte>Kebianizao: i did look at the log, couldn't find anything wrong there
18:43<Kebianizao>so problem happens on exit, when the X are supposed to reset and wdm should restart, right?
18:43<witte>Kebianizao: right
18:43<Kebianizao>witte: if this is true, even the Xorg.0.log.old?
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18:45<noodels>Hi, I am struggling to load ubuntu (I am here since it's debian based, but I can go elsewhere), and the progress bar stops near the end, by attempting to boot in safe mode (which didn't have the quiet option) I was able to see that the load stopped on hal(d). Is there a way to boot without loading said program?
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18:45<witte>Kebianizao: did not find anything their either (don't have an old log from a not working situation at this moment though)
18:45<themill>!tell noodels about ubuntu
18:46<noodels>themill: Alright, just thought I might try here first since it was in the server list for my irc client and ubuntu was debian based anyway.
18:46<Kebianizao>witte: what about you nv config options?
18:46<Kebianizao>noodels: ubuntu is ubuntu. stop
18:47<themill>noodels: "based on debian" and debian are two very different things. Windows used to use the BSD networking stack, but you don't ask the BSD people about windows networking questions...
18:47<Kebianizao>noodels: it has its own support channel, why not going there directly?
18:47<noodels>Kebianizao: Okay, just thought, since many distros had the hal thingum in common.
18:47<Kebianizao>themill: maybe M$ guys at redmond do :P
18:47<Kebianizao>noodels: go there, you'll have answers
18:48<noodels>Going there already.
18:48<themill>noodels: or stay here and install debian instead ;)
18:48<themill>!tell noodels about getting debian
18:48<noodels>themill: I tried yesterday. That was hell..
18:48<noodels>Screens not found.
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18:48<Kebianizao>witte: maybe you could read the nv man and look for some options to try, alternatively try the nvidia privative driver, upgrading to experimental xserver-xorg-core and/or asking on #debian-x
18:49<noodels>Never did find m screen.
18:49<Kebianizao>noodels: your screen? Debian is simple to install
18:49<Kebianizao>we could guide you
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18:50<witte>Kebianizao: ok, thanks for your help, i will have a look at those
18:50<Kebianizao>witte: doesn't the nv driver xrandr1.2?
18:50<noodels>Kebianizao: I went through the install process, and in the end the graphics just kicked up so much..
18:50<witte>Kebianizao: yes, i think i use xrandr
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18:50<Kebianizao>noodels: what version? etch?
18:50<Kebianizao>witte: I meant the nv driver
18:51<noodels>Then I tried Slackware earlier. But I quite simply cannot stand kde, and command line stuff was different.
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18:51<noodels>Kebianizao: The latest as far as I could make out.
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18:51<Kebianizao>noodels: testing? where did it stop working?
18:51<noodels>Kebianizao: I naively downloaded disk 21 at first, assuming that it was the latest. But it was disk 1 I eventually installed.
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18:52<Kebianizao>noodels: do you have the link?
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18:52<noodels>Kebianizao: I can follow the path I took to the link.
18:53<noodels>(It's a 64 bit intel computer, x86_64)
18:53<noodels>Though at this point, if it works, a 32-bit operating system is fine too.
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18:55<noodels>It might be stating the obvious but this is one of those problem computers. Slackware and Archlinux are the only distros that actually worked.
18:55<Kebianizao>that's stable (etch)
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18:55<Kebianizao>try those
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18:56<themill>noodels: what sort of video card does it have?
18:56<noodels>Nvidia, 8500 series.
18:56<Kebianizao>why the hell ppl choose nvidia? or is it that only those are coming here becuase they are source of trouble?
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18:57<noodels>I like my graphics card, I was thinking of getting compiz fusion once I recover from this. And nvidia, seems to have the most support.
18:57<themill>If you like crashy non-free blobs then they're not bad.
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18:58<witte>Kebianizao: the driver itself uses xrandr1.2 yes, i will have a try with the options of that driver, trying to find out what helps, maybe there are some options that make it more stable
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18:58<noodels>Unfortunatelly, hardware is still some way off from being free. (That doesn't go for a friend, who has an amazing ability to find computers and parts laying around in the street.)
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18:58<Kebianizao>witte: you could also try downgrading driver to testing version
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18:59<noodels>What graphics cards do you suggest?
18:59<witte>Kebianizao: well, the problem is existing already for quite a while (it just doesn't bother me that much, as i am practically the only user and can switch of directly)
18:59<witte>Kebianizao: i am sure that it also crashed on the testing driver
19:00<Kebianizao>nvidia is the vendor famous for not helping in the development of free drivers and not releasing any doc about their cards which are source of al kind of trouble
19:00<themill>noodels: Intel plays nicely with the open source crowd and they make pretty good hardware.
19:00<Kebianizao>I 100% agree
19:00<Kebianizao>intel is the day of the nvidia night
19:01<noodels>themill: I have intel built in, but I hear they messed up bad on the driver for it. I can't play anything 3d on linux with it, and my windows partition, (This is the worst thing ever.) couldn't play certain games like Portal.
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19:01<noodels>Ati any better?
19:02<amphi>noodels: what card?
19:02*noodels will be away for a minute.
19:02<noodels>amphi: Any, if nvidia are bad, how does ati compare?
19:02<themill>noodels: I've always had good support for 3d on intel chips. But I never do games these days so I don't push the limits of hardware. But then, 99% of people who are chasing ultra wonderful cards don't either.
19:02<amphi>what intel card are you complaining about?
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19:03<themill>noodels: fglrx is a bit ugly in places but getting better. ATI are at least releasing specs these days.
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19:03<amphi>I have EXA working pretty nicely on intel 965 here (testing)
19:04<Kebianizao>noodels: intel performs 3d just fine, on the newer driver you have XvMC. I don't know though the limits of the card
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19:05<noodels>Back. Okay, the card in question is built in and I can't remember the long name (with has no vowels but numbers) and I currently do not have an operating system to check.
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19:05<zaikxtox>hello. i have a problem with xfce under debian etch. the logout window does not give options to shutdown or restart. i'm running gdm as login manager. faq on this apply to dbus 1.1.1 but debian etch hast 1.0.x
19:05<noodels>Okay, the beta in the debian link, cd 1, more likely to work?
19:06<Kebianizao>noodels: think so
19:06<noodels>It's midnight now, and I've gone through three installs today (or yesterday now). I swear if this doesn't work, I shall probably cry.
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19:07<zaikxtox>some debian etch - xfce user has the tip?
19:08<noodels>*sadness* And now I have to watch my ("unlimited") internet quota slowly fill.
19:08<amphi>noodels: you can't do a netinstall?
19:09<noodels>amphi: Never tried one, and I'm probably best off sticking to my comfort zone, especially when things aren't working as they are.
19:09<amphi>netinstall is ~120MB iso image
19:09<noodels>But then you get the rest of the stuff off the internet?
19:09<amphi>noodels: if you have a supported NIC and a reasonable connection, it's probably best; you only d/l stuff you want to install
19:10<amphi>noodels: yes
19:11<noodels>Hmm.. I shall keep that in mind if I find myself [(without)(with and outdated)] disk and I like debian.
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19:12<Kebianizao>noodels: if you are using a wired card consider netinstall
19:12<noodels>I detest wireless..
19:13<noodels>Especially when people decide to use it on their stationary desktop computers...
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19:16<amphi>noodels: if you d/l full isos, you're almost certain to be downloading stuff you don't want
19:17<noodels>amphi: True, I assumed that at the mention of it given the circumstances.
19:18<noodels>amphi: Approx how much would I ultimately download from a net install versus an iso download? (Before you point out, yes I know it's going to vary.)
19:19<Kebianizao>noodels: depends on what you would install
19:19<amphi>that's unanswerable; if you use the netinstall iso, you will only d/l stuff you want to install; if you d/l normal isos, that is likely not to be the case
19:19<Kebianizao>very basic would take <100MB, but that wouldn'd include any graphic environment
19:19<noodels>Ah, so basically the answer would be "Varies hugely."
19:20<Kebianizao>noodels: yes, between the netinstall size and the whole debian archive size :D
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19:20<themill>that's the point of the netinstall
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19:20<noodels>Kebianizao: Now it's my turn to point out you're wrong. :D
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19:21<noodels>Kebianizao: The archives should contain several versions of each thing, and ultimately you're only going to install one.
19:21<noodels>But that's just nit-picking...
19:22<amphi>!confuse noodels
19:22<dpkg>Yes, how was their bacon today, noodels? trousers of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra herring
19:22<themill>noodels: very few packages actually conflict though. If there are several versions, they should be able to be installed in parallel (e.g. php4 and php5)
19:22<noodels>dpkg: I like bacon...
19:22<amphi>monarchy? it's an archduchy
19:22<noodels>themill: Damn! Foiled again!
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19:47<goatmale>I have a quick question, how can I tell if a certian deamon is running?
19:47<themill>pgrep daemonname
19:47<themill>or ps ax | grep daemonname
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19:48<goatmale>I got this : 2870 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep smbd
19:50<themill>goatmale: that would imply that smbd is not running
19:50<goatmale>next question is how I can get the samba daemon to run
19:50<themill>invoke-rc.d samba start
19:51<hatter>ohhh, invoke-rc.d ?
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19:51<hatter>wasnt aware of that command
19:51<hatter>i do : /etc/init.d/samba start
19:51<noodels>At last, onto booting the debian disk.
19:52<themill>hatter: both work. invoke-rc.d is easier for tab completion. it can also do some other things for you too
19:53<goatmale>Should it be showing up if I do ps -A?
19:53<hatter>themill, great, i will check it out
19:53<hatter>i suppose its part of the ' update-rc.d ' suite
19:54<themill>hatter: if you include the extra bash_completion stuff, then you get even more bits of tab completion thrown in too
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19:54<themill>hatter: yes, but it's designed to be used by humans (unlike update-rc.d ....)
19:54<hatter>themill, yeah, i have had to remember the correct format for update-rc.d a few times
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20:01<noodels>Suggestion for a debian archive mirror for the uk?
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20:01<themill>noodels: deb etch main contrib non-free
20:02<themill>noodels: ahh... you're at the install stage still, aren't you? then just select
20:02<noodels>Okay, I just thought since some sites don't have the bandwidth to hold their own archive so sometimes they're choked.
20:02<noodels>And it's 1 in the morning so the last thing I want is for the download to be choked during large downloads.
20:03<themill>I never have any problems with the primary .uk mirror
20:03<noodels>839 files to get.
20:03<noodels>Back to reading. :D
20:04<noodels>On a random note, I've just thought, since each linux distro appeals to certain types of people... The frequency of a persons washing habits should relate to their distro right?
20:06<noodels>I wonder how the ranking would go.. Perhaps slackware would be somewhere near the bottom while ubuntu (which appeals to normal people) would be nearer the top.
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20:06<goatmale>slackware seems really anal
20:06<goatmale>so maybe it might be the opposite
20:07<noodels>An anal distro..?
20:07<dondelelcaro>whatever it is, it's not particularly on topic here
20:07<goatmale>anal users rather
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20:08<oza>Does dns get cached atall?
20:08<dondelelcaro>oza: depends
20:08<oza>i keep getting 'retry time not reached for any host' on my sevrer
20:08<oza>for exim4
20:08<dondelelcaro>oza: if you're running a caching dns server, it is, otherwise it isn't.
20:08<oza>and it was happanign on another box and i jsut restarted it and then the emails all went
20:08<oza>but i don't want to restrat this box :S
20:09<SnoweyShadow>has anyone installed Debian Stable on a Proliant 3000?
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20:09<dondelelcaro>SnoweyShadow: quite probably, but that's almost certainly not your real question. [And if it is, assume the answer is yes, or check google.]
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20:10<SnoweyShadow>thanks, I'm trying to install Debian stable on my Proliant but when it reaches the OS my screen shuts down, anyway to fix that?
20:10<noodels>According to google trends, all things such as soap and hygeine remain at a constant interest (low) while linux declines slowly. In a few years they might meet.
20:11<dondelelcaro>SnoweyShadow: which part of the OS?
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20:12<SnoweyShadow>when it finishes its boot-up, when it should be loading the desktop manager/GUI it just ceases to display anything
20:12<dondelelcaro>SnoweyShadow: which video card does it have?
20:13<SnoweyShadow>according to windows, it's got a Cirrus Logic 5430/5440
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20:14<dondelelcaro>SnoweyShadow: and what display do you have plugged into it? can you switch to a console?
20:15<SnoweyShadow>not right now, I'm currently running the proliant on IRC, I can copy down any commands you want and join again later on my laptop if it doesn't work
20:16<dondelelcaro>well, most likely it's the X configuration that is wrong. Looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log; will probably tell you the answer, but just for starters:
20:16<dondelelcaro>1) you don't have the right driver installed/loaded (should be cirrus)
20:16<dondelelcaro>2) you are driving the monitor at a resolution it cannot support; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; should fix this
20:17<dondelelcaro>3) the machine has totally locked, and you can't get a console at all; try rebooting with pci=noacpi or acpi=off or similar.
20:18<SnoweyShadow>alright, and how would I go about updating the driver without the GUI? (sorry, serious unix newb)
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20:18<foooo>good morning.
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20:19<foooo>I copy s0urce from linux to linux via
20:19<foooo> ftp. I edit it (everything looks fine), send it back via FTP, and
20:19<foooo> wooo... the german umlauts are gone. what am I doing wrong?
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20:21<dondelelcaro>foooo: depends on what you're editing it in; the transfer is likely a red herring, but you can check the md5sum of both files
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20:25<hatter>how would i stop something like shorewall writing to dmesg ?
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20:32<vl4dy>hola disculpen
20:32<vl4dy>necesito algun buen antivuris q corra sobre linux
20:32<vl4dy>algun comentario?
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20:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:34<noodels>Uh... Most distros don't ask what resolutions I want to use.. I want something fairly high res but I don't know if there's some kind of limit.
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20:36<Noodels>*shrug* I'll see what 1280x1024 does.
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20:40<oza>It seems exim4 keeps its own cache of dns loopups
20:40<oza>anyone know of a way to clear this cache?
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20:41<dondelelcaro>oza: the only thing it caches are timeouts to DNS servers. That's it.
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20:42<lontra>strange ... installing rhythmbox brings in totem and gthumb?
20:42<dondelelcaro>oza: successful results are not cached at all. If you want it to try to resolve it all again, restart exim.
20:42<dondelelcaro>lontra: aptitude why totem; will tell you what's going on
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20:43<lontra>dondelelcaro, not sure ... it's also bringing in soundjuicer and stuff too
20:43<Noodels>Hey!! It worked!!
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20:44<Noodels>Shame the mouse didn't.
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20:45<Noodels>So... Anyone ideas on getting the mouse working? (Roughly translates as "Make it work please.")
20:45<lontra>dondelelcaro, oh i see ... i thought you were asking me a question with broken english. :) ... i never knew about aptitude why
20:46<dondelelcaro>it'd be rare for someone with broken english to use contractions correctly... ;-)
20:46<Noodels>I take it Ctrl+Alt+F1 would be the first step.. But is there a better way?
20:46<lontra>you could be typing really fast
20:47<Noodels>And the screen took a minute to.. Uh.. No wait.. Dammit the screens being funny on my eyes!
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20:48<Noodels>Unless it's crashed.. Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't have any effect.
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20:50<Noodels>It crashed..
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20:51<Noodels>Only slackware and archlinux ever picked up acpi propperly, I'll switch that off shall I?
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20:51<superlinux> how can i implement VLAN on linux? how can i make it a switch with Vlan support?
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20:52<Noodels>acpi=off : unrecognised command
20:52<superlinux> how can i implement VLAN on linux? how can i make it a switch with Vlan support?
20:53<superlinux>is ebtables enough?
20:54<Noodels>superlinux: I don't think anyone's active to answer either of us.
20:55<superlinux>lemme see your q
20:55<superlinux>is't about the kernel boot command?
20:55<Noodels>I've got a fresh install of debian, and the acpi doesn't work (I think) so I need to know how to switch if off from the grub.
20:56<superlinux>aha ok
20:56<Noodels>Failiure to deactivate results in near-immediate crash.
20:56<superlinux>why not from the bios?
20:56<Noodels>The acpi works, it's just many operating systems fail to recognise it on my computer.
20:57<Noodels>Only windows xp, slackware and arch linux ever actually tolerated the acpi.
20:57<superlinux>i know but shut it down from the bios
20:57<superlinux>and thats easier
20:57<Noodels>Then my windows partition has no acpi, is this the only way?
20:57<superlinux>debian has Acpi support
20:57<superlinux>but u have to configure it
20:57<Noodels>Yes but it doesn't work with my computer.
20:58<Noodels>On most operating systems, the boot parameter acpi=off works.
20:58<superlinux>so shut it from the bios
20:58<Noodels>Is that the only way?
20:58<superlinux>look have you tried to test it using VMware?
20:58<superlinux>well thats the easiest way
20:59<Noodels>VMware? Can't remember what that is..
21:00<Noodels>There should be a boot parameter, which would be incredibly easy to add.
21:00<superlinux>you know the one which run another OS on your running one
21:00<superlinux>virtual mechine stuff
21:00<Noodels>Ah yes, I wasn't sure.
21:01<superlinux>make a very tiny install of debian on windows-VMware
21:01<superlinux>and check whats up
21:01<superlinux>whats going on
21:02<Noodels>I know what's up. I'm only asking how to implement it.
21:02<superlinux>lemme see on google
21:02<Noodels>I'm looking too.
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21:05<Noodels>Curses.. Maybe I am doing something wrong. Can I see your /boot/grub/menu.lst perhaps?
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21:05<superlinux>well i dont use it
21:05<superlinux>and i did not care
21:06<Noodels>But it might be the format I'm putting the options in. Usually I would have used a slightly smoother looking grub.
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21:08<superlinux>no it's correct
21:09<superlinux>Noodels, but u have to put it in the "kernel" line in grub
21:09<superlinux> this is the how to
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21:09<superlinux>go to "22. Boot parameter reference"
21:09<Noodels>Kernel line! Ah I see it now!
21:09<hatter>or this one:
21:10<hatter>superlinux, what is a vlan ? you want two subnets off one firewall ?
21:10<hatter>vlan is cisco speak is it ?
21:11<superlinux>hatter, yess!
21:11<superlinux>cisco stuff
21:11<superlinux>virtual LANs
21:11<hatter>superlinux, if you put an extra nic in a box, you can use iptables to have different subnets
21:11<superlinux>cant i do that?
21:12<hatter>ie one nic is the gateway for another is the gateway for
21:12<superlinux>what if i put a multiport card? like couple of that card?
21:12<superlinux>hatter, i know that
21:12<hatter>multiport network card
21:13<superlinux>it has many inputs on that same electronic card
21:13<hatter>i havent used one, as long as each nic gets an identifier, or has its own mac address it should work
21:13<Noodels>Right. Now I can work on the next problem. Great. :S Anyway, any pointers on where to start looking if the screen appears to have very faint wavy horizontal lines?
21:13<hatter>superlinux, you would need to investigate the card of course
21:14<hatter>but you can have multple nics in a pc
21:14<hatter>i have had 4 nics doing different things
21:14<superlinux>well the issue how can i say that some ppl of some group use this ISP rather than this ISP?
21:15<Noodels>:) Just increased the refresh rate.
21:15<superlinux>Noodels, yes correct
21:15<superlinux>man xorg.conf
21:16<superlinux>search for "frequency"
21:16<hatter>superlinux, yes you can do that, shorewall makes life easier for that stuff
21:17<superlinux>what if i used the eth0:1 format on just two network cards?
21:17<superlinux>u know IP aliasing
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21:19<hatter>superlinux, hmmm, possibly, ask the shorewall guys on the mailing list
21:19<alaya>dpkg -S /usr/bin/updatedb - dpkg: /usr/bin/updatedb not found locate is installed :-(
21:19<dpkg>Badgers ate my /usr/bin/updatedb - dpkg: /usr/bin/updatedb not found locate is installed :-(!
21:20<Noodels>Be back in a second. ; )
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21:20<superlinux>what i have is a wireless network having different ISP's. and each group has it's own ISP and i have to rout them to it
21:20<superlinux>group of people , of course
21:21<superlinux>and wireless on the side of the clients.
21:22<hatter>you need iproute2 and iptables, it gets a bit complicated, both can be done with shorewall and policy routing
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21:22<superlinux>which do u think more pro and better?
21:22<Noodels>Well, here I am, fourth distro install over 48 hours.
21:22<luciano_uisk>hi to all
21:23<luciano_uisk>i dont know why, but when i run the command "glxinfo" the X just restarts itself, ..
21:23<alaya>why do you need iptables?
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21:24<luciano_uisk>and when i tried to do a "compiz --replace" it occurs the same thing, ...
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21:24<luciano_uisk>i am using debian amd64 , and a video driver provided by nvidia, ...
21:24<ranix>luciano_uisk: X is crashing
21:24<luciano_uisk>could be it?
21:24<ranix>luciano_uisk: you may be using the wrong driver
21:25<ranix>does the nvidia driver support amd64?
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21:25<luciano_uisk>i read in some place that the nvidia drivers for amd64 were not the better ones, is that right?
21:26<luciano_uisk>wich should i use?
21:26<alaya>luciano_uisk: why not use module-assistant?
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21:26<chealer>luciano_uisk: compared to what?
21:27<luciano_uisk>well, it appeared to be in a loop, the module-assistant, ..
21:27<luciano_uisk>it tried to install nvidia-kernel, and then it tried do delete it, ..
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21:29<luciano_uisk>and when i tried to install it via apt-get, i couldnt do it, it popped out somethings like "this package doesnt have candidate for instalatin", ...
21:29<luciano_uisk>"candidate" is good, no?
21:29<luciano_uisk>sorry, i am from brazil, ...
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21:33<Noodels>Curses... I know it's not really a huge problem and I really should be able to figure out how to do it.. But those 'Comuter' '<myname>'s home' and 'wastebasket' icons on the desktop are really annoying. How do I remove them?
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21:34<luciano_uisk>what does it men "this package is not available, but is referenced by another package" ???
21:34<lontra>Noodels, you need to use gconf-editor then go to nautilus - destop - icons
21:35<luciano_uisk>sometimes i got it when i tried to install a package via apt-get, ...
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21:36<lontra>Noodels, apps -> nautilus -> desktop (unselect what you want)
21:36<lontra>that's in the gconf-editor bt
21:36<Noodels>Iontra: Was just figuring out what I was meant to do with it, done now. Thanks. :)
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21:39<Noodels>I'll work out the acpi tomorrow, right now I'm just tired.
21:39<Supaplex>!lart acpi
21:39*dpkg rm -rf's acpi
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21:56<lontra>i made an img on my usb with dd but now i can't seem to free that space again ... is there a way to undo this?
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21:59<hatter>lontra, you can dd blank data to it
21:59<hatter>or format it
21:59<lontra>hatter, how would i do that with dd if it's /dev/sdb?
22:00<hatter>what do you want to do ? put an ext3 filesystem on it ?
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22:01<hatter>or just blank it ?
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22:02<lontra>it's my girlfriend's so i'd like it to be able to work on mac osx and windows .. so just be like a regular usb storage device
22:02<Noodels>Vfat you want.
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22:02<lontra>yeah vfat
22:03<Supaplex>possibly fdisk, but it can work w/o that
22:03<Noodels>Cfdisk I prefer.
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22:04<Supaplex>what ever works
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22:05<arguapacha>Hi. Can anyone help me with the zcat command? I am trying to ungzip the boot.img.gz file to my usb stick with the command '# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb' , but the stupid thing just keeps saying: 'zcat: boot.img.gz: not in gzip format'. Oh mighty debhelper, can you help me?
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22:05<Supaplex>what's file -sk boot.img.gz say? maybe your browser decompressed it already
22:06<lontra>how would i do it with either fdisk or cfdisk?
22:07<Noodels>Cfdisk is pretty easy. (sudo) cfdisk /dev/<usb-stick> (usb stick shouldn't be mounted)
22:07<arguapacha>not the browser... but the same zcat command... before trying to send it to the usb, the size of the file is 16.1 MB, but immediatly after, 239 MB
22:07<Noodels>The rest is self explanatory, you want FAT32 or something of the like.
22:08<Supaplex>arguapacha: run this (as a literal): file -k boot.img.gz
22:08<arguapacha>'# file -sk boot.img.gz': boot.img.gz: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID " mkdosfs", sectors/cluster 8, root entries 512, Media descriptor 0xf8, sectors/FAT 239, heads 64, sectors 489472 (volumes > 32 MB) , serial number 0xdeb00001, label: "Debian Inst", FAT (16 bit)\012- DOS executable (COM), boot code
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22:08<Supaplex>it appears to be decompressed already
22:08<arguapacha>yes :(
22:09<Supaplex>are you typing zcat by hand? What's so hard about using cat instead? Was the download damaged?
22:09<arguapacha>i already downloaded the file 3 times... same result always
22:09<arguapacha>oh well... I never tried cat, because the Debian manual says "zcat"
22:10<Supaplex>try it :)
22:10<Supaplex>no condescending remarks intended. I inferred you might have some automated process not totally under your control. good luck :)
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22:11<Supaplex>lontra: here's my fdisk of my usb stick, Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
22:11<Supaplex>/dev/sde1 * 1 246 1974240 6 FAT16
22:12<Supaplex>/dev/sde1: x86 boot sector, mkdosfs boot message display, code offset 0x3c, OEM-ID " mkdosfs", sectors/cluster 64, root entries 512, Media descriptor 0xf8, sectors/FAT 241, heads 63, hidden sectors 63, sectors 3948480 (volumes > 32 MB) , serial number 0x124c, label: " ", FAT (16 bit)\012- DOS executable (COM), boot code
22:12<Supaplex>works great in everything I use it on (mac,winblows,*nix,etc)
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22:34<lontra>hmm ... i now don't have write permission to my usb device
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22:36<arguapacha>thanks Supaplex ^_^ it worked perfectly. Now downloading the iso image... bb
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22:43<Supaplex>yippie :)
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23:11<dipu>hi .. I am not able to set my system clock properly .. even if i reset it to correct time its goes wrong when i restart .. any help !!!
23:12<xsdg>dipu: `man hwclock`
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23:13<dondelelcaro>!set the time
23:13<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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23:15<headrx>hidy ho
23:15<headrx>anyone alive
23:16<blarson>dondelelcaro: bot message on sarge should be updated to say it's no longer supported.
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23:17<RIVE>Hello, good evenning.
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23:18<dpkg>Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge is no longer supported.
23:18<dipu>hi dpkg my rcS has UTC=no .. what should i set it to .. am in EST
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23:18<dondelelcaro>dipu: are you running windows on your machine?
23:18<kop>I've done a dist-upgrade (etch, amd64) and now my mythtv backend is broken. What am I doing wrong? Either I mis-understand something, or my debian-multimedia mirror is out of date, or my debian mirror is out of date, or mythtv no longer works on etch because the libraries are not new enough, or something else. Please see:
23:18<dipu>I have windows / ubuntu and debian
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23:19<kop>dipu: MS Windows does not like it if you set your hardware clock to utc. So you have to leave it UTC=no.
23:20<kop>dipu: But ntp requires your hardware clock to be in utc. All you can do is run ntpdate automatically at boot or something similar.
23:20<dondelelcaro>dipu: then that setting is correct; what does date -u; date; TZ=UTC hwclock; hwclock; output?
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23:20<dondelelcaro>kop: uh... AFAIK ntp doesn't require that. In fact, it'd be a silly thing to require.
23:21<kop>dondelelcaro : I could be wrong. That's what I recall. (for ntpd)
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23:22<dondelelcaro>in fact, I know that's the case
23:22<kop>dondelelcaro : Ok. I'm wrong.
23:23*dondelelcaro remembered that he has a machine which for some silly reason has it's clock in the local timzeone
23:23<dipu>dondelelcaro ..
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23:28<dondelelcaro>dipu: ok, for starters your clock is set totally incorrectly.
23:28<dondelelcaro>dipu: follow the instructions in the set the time factoid that dpkg gave.
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23:30<kop>dondelelcaro : What's with dipu's error returned from hwclock? ?
23:30<dondelelcaro>dipu: you'll probably also need to make one change to your /etc/default/rcS, and that's to add HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa"
23:30<dondelelcaro>kop: that's the problem mentioned above
23:30<dondelelcaro>(the RTC driver either isn't loaded, or isn't working properly)
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23:31<wowzer>hello all. Are there any debian email discussion groups/listserv packages?
23:31<dondelelcaro>wowzer: mailman is probably the most popular, but smartlist is another option
23:31<wowzer>okay..thx. checking them out
23:32<dondelelcaro>wowzer: eoc is another relatively popular one
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23:32<dondelelcaro>well, enemies-of-carlotta is probably what you know it as
23:32<blarson>wowzer: as is ecartis, which I maintain but don't recomend for new installs. (I'm considering asking for removal -- it's not maintained ustream.)
23:32<kop>dondelelcaro : Thanks. (I don't see the var in "man rcS". :-(
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23:33<dondelelcaro>kop: it isn't mentioned there because it's not something you normally should have to set
23:33<dondelelcaro>supposedly hwclock should fall back on directisa, but I've seen that fail recently.
23:33<wowzer>reading eoc and smartlist. both seem okay to me.
23:33<wowzer>mailman seems okay to me..
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23:33<kop>wowzer : I've used both smartlist and mailman and prefer mailman. But YMMV.
23:34<dondelelcaro>yeah, if this is a small list, I'd use mailman, since it's pretty trivial. If you need insane customability, it's smartlist. eoc, is pretty nifty for some other things too
23:34<dondelelcaro>(smartlist is what the Debian lists use)
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23:35<kop>Is smartlist maintained upstream? Some years ago IIRC it was not, but that was quite a while ago.
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23:35<kop>Smartlist was done by the guy who wrote procmail, who seemed to drop off the planet at some point.
23:36<dondelelcaro>yeah, but it's fairly actively maintained in Debian
23:36<dondelelcaro>and since it uses procmail for almost everything, it's been pretty feature complete for quite a while
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23:37<kop>Can anybody hit me with a cluestick regards apt/debian-multimedia and mythtv?
23:38<kop>dondelelcaro : Yes. As I recall smartlist did about everything. The "big problem" is that some users just can't handle interacting with the list via email. They need a web page or their brain explodes.
23:39<dondelelcaro>kop: yeah, there is that
23:39<dondelelcaro>we do have web page interfaces for it, but only to subscribe
23:39<dondelelcaro>(which basically forge emails on the backend)
23:40<dondelelcaro>kop: as far as your mythtv problems, it looks like you've got the testing or unstable packages there, not the etch backports.
23:40<dondelelcaro>kop: or someone screwed up and put the wrong packages in there.
23:41<kop>dondelelcaro : sources.list is pasted there. I _think_ I got it right and am using etch. ?
23:41<dondelelcaro>kop: yeah, I see that, but apt-cache policy mythtv-backend; will tell you exactly what is going on there.
23:41<dondelelcaro>(since those packages are definetly not backported)
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23:43<dfgas>what do i need to install to get libc headers installed?
23:43<dondelelcaro>dfgas: aptitude install libc6-dev
23:44<kop>dondelelcaro : (I'm going to have to look up how to read the apt-cache results to be sure...)
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23:44<dondelelcaro>kop: yeah, the versions in the etch bit of that repository aren't right. Try a different debian-multimedia mirror and see if it has the same problem.
23:44<dfgas>os[Linux 2.6.22-14-generic x86_64] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz @ 3.01GHz] mem[Physical : 2014MB, 88.5% free] disk[Total : 71.52GB, 91.30% Free] video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT] sound[]
23:44<dondelelcaro>kop: you'll know they're right when they have an "etch" or similar in the version.
23:45<dondelelcaro>dfgas: please turn whatever that is off
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23:46<kop>dondelelcaro : Ok. Thanks.
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