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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-04-03

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00:03<kop>dondelelcaro : Do you suppose it has anything to do with this email from apt-cacher? Thing is, I shouldn't be using apt-cachere for debian-multimedia and have already one deleted the .gz file the message complains of the other day. I wouldn't think so, there's been nothing in the /var/log/apt-cacher/* files with HIT in it since I fixed things, but....
00:04<kop>dondelelcaro :
00:06<kop>dondelelcaro : Makes me wonder why the file is coming back....
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00:10<Supaplex>because it likes you ;)
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00:11<dave_>install php !
00:11<kop>Supaplex : In that case I'll adopt my usual strategy for dealing with awkward social situations. Ignore the problem and hope it goes away. :)
00:12<headrx>good attitude :D
00:12<RIVE>Jajajaja, until it reach you.
00:14<k1lumin4t1>is kde4 in debian?
00:18<chealer>k1lumin4t1: ask #debian-kde
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00:25<kop>SnoweyShadow : Ask again. Something strange happened to the channel.
00:25<kop>Humm... I get the very same message if I try running /usr/share/apt-cacher/ manually. It creates a zero length file and leaves it there.
00:25<Supaplex>!tell SnoweyShadow -about ask
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00:25<Supaplex>SnoweyShadow: try telling us what kind of graphics hardware it is
00:26<Supaplex>or use lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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00:31<SnoweyShadow>lspci -nn or grep -i vga? I've got a Cirrus Graphics driver that needs to be updated, I've tried to use acpi = off and a couple of other methods but it didn't work :S
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00:31<Supaplex>xorg should support that
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00:32<SnoweyShadow>its not connecting though, my screen shuts down the instant it tries to load the desktop environment
00:32<Supaplex>and | is a pipe. it's a shell syntax to direct stdout of the one process into stdin of the next
00:33<Supaplex>what if the DE is broken, are you sure it's a video driver?
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00:33<Supaplex>check your xorg logs
00:34<SnoweyShadow>I've tried everything that Don suggested earlier except the change updating my graphic's do I check the xorg logs if I can't access the DE?
00:34<Supaplex>with a terminal :) x is optional
00:34<Supaplex>or ssh from another machine
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00:35<Supaplex>how long has this happened?
00:35<Supaplex>or, when was it last working, and what's changed since then?
00:36<SnoweyShadow>hmm...which is easier? and is there a walk-through? I've installed Debian Stable XCFE today and its been doing it all day
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00:37<Supaplex>I'm less than motivated, being so close to ZZzz time. my neuron supercomputing cluster is ready for it's nightly fsck of sorts ;)
00:37<dpkg>methinks single is <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care)
00:38<Supaplex>the xorg logs should be in /var/log/
00:38<Supaplex>you might try a different xorg driver, like vesa
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00:38<Supaplex>but w/o the details fromthe log, we're making a haphazard guess it's the drivers.
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00:40<Supaplex>!tell SnoweyShadow -about grounding
00:40<Supaplex>for many things in life, there is no walk through
00:40<SnoweyShadow>lol, thanks
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00:46<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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01:16<Snadder>Anyone can recommend a p2p program which use freenet to download music?
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01:57<Slydder>morning all
01:57<peekay>calling from calcutta
01:57<peekay>i'm in a mess
01:57<peekay>need help
01:58<peekay>installed the debian based BOSS .. the Bharat Operating System Solution ..
01:58<jm_>!debian based
01:58<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
01:58<gsimmons>!tell peekay -about boss
01:58<peekay>hindi characters showing horribly on thunderBird
01:58<peekay>ah !
01:58<peekay>tell me
01:58<peekay>i'm all ears !
01:58<peekay>1st time user of linux
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01:59<peekay>i am a user .. fed up with the vistaProblems on my tablet pc
01:59<gsimmons>peekay: You're in the wrong channel for support of your distribution. You would want to join #boss-nrcfoss on
01:59<peekay>need a good sturdy alternative os
02:00<peekay>hell gSimons
02:00<peekay>i agree
02:00<peekay>but if boss in meeting debian standards .. i need to migrate
02:00<peekay>i have the exposure now
02:00<peekay>using firefox, thunderbird
02:00<peekay>altering keyboard mappings by changing the /.../symbol/in file
02:01<peekay>so i need a STURDY platform !
02:01<peekay>maybe i'll un-install boss .. and install debian
02:01<peekay>talking 'developerMode' ..
02:01<peekay>so guys .. chill down .. i'm not a martian ! ;-)
02:02<peekay>i am onto a zippy wagong .. from the crawling OS .. thankGod for that !
02:02<peekay>boss is the door .. now how to 'live' in the palace (read debian space)
02:03<peekay>waiting ......
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02:04<peekay>rvw .. waking up again .. after all of 20,000 millisecs (rpw is rip van wrinkle)
02:04<vook>peekay: it's Gene Simmons to you
02:04<clownwithoutnose>peekay, vanna, i'll buy a vowel
02:04<peekay>hello gene
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02:05<peekay>what's a vowel ? .. <learningMode><begin>
02:05<peekay>(that's a yawn)
02:05<vook>someone please boot it away
02:05<Supaplex>that's nice
02:06<peekay>hey ! i'm the someOne .. ready to boot it out of the window
02:06<peekay>maybe debian is a better .. best solution ..
02:07<peekay>not joking .. dead serious .. if the debian 'based' .. (so i was told) .. thing is good enough to .. 'real' debian can only be heavenly ..
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02:08<peekay>as is usual .. the welcome 'ragging' is a tradition .. ok guys .. take your best shot(s) .. i'll take the punches .. sportingly :-))
02:08<vook>this is our
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02:08<vook>*this is our penance
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02:09<Supaplex>!poke peekay
02:09*dpkg pokes peekay with a dildo
02:09<Supaplex>next... :)
02:09<peekay>now THAT's a softPoke ..
02:09<peekay>windows users are used to toooo much of 'hard' pokes .. in each email download session !
02:10<peekay>now that i'm more of an ex-windows guy .. dildo .. to me would mean .. umm .. lemme see ..
02:10<vook>peekay: I recommend GNU Hurd - Now *that* is holy.
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02:10<peekay>dil do .. that's heart give in hindi
02:10<peekay>thanks vook ..
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02:11*vook kindly asks peekay to go bug the people in #hurd on freenode.
02:11<peekay>richard stallman loves things being called 'gnu' .. and pronounced 'G n oo' .. not NU
02:11*Supaplex wonders if hurd runs xpv as a domU
02:11<peekay>when in call .. i usually have looong chats with him
02:12<peekay>he's a bit old to remember, talk, guide about coding .. but he has 'philosophy'
02:12<Supaplex>yeah an fill up at the pump with your debit card. righhhttt..
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02:12<peekay>and we in FOSS movement here support that 'philosophy' from the bottom of our heart
02:13<peekay>hey ! .. is sherman_peekay still in the wrong room here ??
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02:13<peekay>stand corrected .. ''channel" ??
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02:14<peekay>bettering .. wrong 'page' .. are we on the same page .. or am i missing something here ??
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02:14<Supaplex> we have aol chat "room"s ending in ,0 eg /join #debian,0
02:14<jm_>you are in the wrong channel yes
02:14<peekay>not interested in aol .. its not very open .. it has a different kinda source ..
02:15<Supaplex>well then, welcome to the debian channel. :-o
02:15<peekay>i need a 'programmers/developers' debugging/helpin/developingSolutions kind of channel
02:15<peekay>thank you supaplex
02:15<peekay>i have an immediate problem
02:15<Supaplex>!tell peekay -about ask
02:16<peekay>when i try to see hind written in english .. converted to hindi characters .. it comes out awful on mozillaFf ..
02:16<peekay>how to set that right
02:16<peekay>yeah .. tell me about 'ask' ..
02:16<peekay>will add it to my debianChatProtocolsDictionary
02:16<peekay>just joking
02:16<Supaplex>well us english folk have little know how on hindi :)
02:16<peekay>no offence
02:17<peekay>we don't have to ..
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02:17<peekay>we need to translate city names .. written in english .. to local language
02:17<peekay>like calcutta is not okay .. they call it kolkata now
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02:17<peekay>so writing 'k o l k a t a' and getting ??????? works !
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02:18<peekay>you don't have to know the forms of the local language
02:18<vook>peekay: type 'apt-cache search hindi' - maybe you need to install something ??
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02:18<peekay>when in chennai .. this becomes ' c h h e n a i ' .. transliteration s/w translates that to tamil language ..
02:18<vook>peekay: it looks like iceape has a hindi language pack. ??
02:18<peekay>hmm .. heard of iceApe ..
02:19<Supaplex>For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
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02:19<Supaplex>ala /query dpkg hu :)
02:19<peekay>dear vook .. i may sound like a stupid fool .. but i am not 'dumb' .. i've done 100 hours of googling .. searching for answers
02:19<peekay>why do you think i am here ?
02:19<vook>peekay: just trying to help
02:20<peekay>experts have answers
02:20<peekay>search only spews garbage
02:20<peekay>that's ok vook .. we all need to tune in ..
02:20<Supaplex>well apparently we don't know, at present
02:20<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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02:20<peekay>so .. how's this for a start .. to 'evaluate' my level
02:21<jm_>please go to BOSS support channel, this is not it
02:21<peekay>download 'in' file at a webpage
02:21<peekay>jm_ .. cool down man
02:21<peekay>i HAVE a problem ..
02:21<peekay>like dpkg said .. either you know .. or don't ..
02:21<peekay>i'm the help in boss .. no ONE responds
02:21<jm_>tough luck
02:22<peekay>meaning coming here is tough luck ? i don't believe that at ALL .. sorry !!!
02:22<Supaplex>well some people ask us for help on non-debian issues, and expect us to just magically know...
02:22<peekay>continuing .. evaluate ..
02:22<vook>peekay: please try to collect your thoughts and ask a single question - for the benefit of everyone. If anyone can help, they will. If no one responds, they probably don't know the answer. We aren't paid buddy, we are users just like you.
02:22<peekay>'in' file re-written .. changed the layout of hindi characters to better the 'indic' offical layout
02:23<Supaplex>I don't understand what you mean there.
02:23<peekay>evaluate me please .. and go ahead and gimme 2 out of 10 .. i don't really mind !
02:23<peekay>ok .. here's the story ..
02:23<peekay>hindi is typed on indic layout on qwerty
02:23<peekay>ok ?
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02:23<peekay>noONE uses it
02:23<peekay>is is weird layout
02:23<peekay>i have changed it to a simpler layout ..
02:24<peekay>based on the character set as taught in kintergarten , prep
02:24<Supaplex>okay. so if no one uses it, it's not unusual we don't know. carry on...
02:24<peekay>now typing hindi works like magic !
02:24<Supaplex>magic is cool
02:24<peekay>the "in" file .. c++ thingy .. has been modified ..
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02:25<peekay>now typing in hindi by anyOne BLINDFOLDED is possible
02:25<peekay>look .. i'm only a 4 day old user of debian
02:25<Supaplex>nevermind 'include'. okay, so?
02:25<peekay>i'm NOT a genius
02:25<peekay>i'm a learner
02:25<jm_>you are *not* using Debian
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02:25<peekay>i WANT to .. (repeating THIRD time)
02:26<Supaplex>!tell peekay -about netinst
02:26<peekay>can you please scroll up the channel records and chek that out
02:26<Supaplex>well, grab a netinst cd and install away
02:26<peekay>will do !
02:26<peekay>THANK YOU !
02:26<peekay>now i'm being guided/helped .. and not being boo'ed .. booted .. and 'ragged'
02:27<Supaplex>all this time I had no idea this is what you wanted
02:27<Supaplex>you kind of ramble :) but *shrug*
02:27<peekay>u need to listen to an SOS .. then only can you understand that the TITANIC has hit an iceBerg !!
02:27<vook>peekay: give yourself a break man! It kicks a$$ to take the plunge into something new. Sorry peekay - we are just used to a certain protocol around here :) I hope to see you in here again and often (using Debian).
02:28<jm_>I hope not
02:28<vook>jm_: I hope so (but with a better sense of order)
02:28<peekay>being cryptic would deprive all of the pleasure of 'ragging' .. that's a tradition .. must be .. new guys are by default considered 'dumb' and stupid ..
02:28<Supaplex>jm_: and what, disservice him with ubuntu? hahahaha
02:28<peekay>thank you
02:28<jm_>Supaplex: he's probably better of with that BOSS thing
02:28<peekay>i love kicking ass too .. just holding myself back
02:28<peekay>with an elephant chain
02:29<peekay>jm_ .. are you 'promoting' boss ?
02:29<peekay>i'm migrating man ..
02:29<peekay>as of now .. its a DIY thing ..
02:29<jm_>peekay: no, I just know it's popular in India so you have better chances of getting help with such specific issues
02:30<peekay>install to configure .. took me 50 hours of non stop work to get it right .. unLearn Xp/Vista and re-learn debLinux
02:30<peekay>now i can configure pppoe .. remap keyboard .. use email client .. configue settings
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02:30<peekay>and a few other things besides !
02:30<vook>peekay: see - this is the thing - Debian spinoffs often are designed for profit (and they really offer little, if anything) No doubt their creators come in here and spam us. It gets old, and when we see people talking about debian spinoffs in here, we just assume "spam".
02:30<peekay>that's BAD ???
02:30*vook speaks for himself
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02:31<peekay>i'm OPEN source .. all the way .. freedom and noCost mode !!!
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02:31<avtobiff>peekay, maybe even free software :)
02:31<peekay>anyone has a problemo with that ?
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02:32<peekay>hello avtobiff .. didn't get the backEndCode there .. elaborate ..
02:32<peekay>if you mean 'pirated' .. well .. NO .. free gets you virus, aids, headaches and hangups !
02:33<peekay>here, copyright laws are stern ..
02:33<avtobiff>peekay, i mean what i say, free software
02:33<sep>peekay, true, they are free to do so, heck even encouraged. but when you make debian into $product. you should support it yourself and not waste the time of volenteer debian users. also just imagine if we should support _ALL_ debian spinoffs in here. it would be impossible to filter out the background noise
02:33<peekay>violation is 3 months imprisonment .. MANDATORY ! not even the primeMinister can waive that !
02:33<avtobiff>peekay, this explains my point to the point:
02:34<peekay>if i had understood what you mean .. then i would not request to elaborate .. repeating only repeats what i didn't understand ..
02:34<peekay>look avtobiff .. i learn FREE from richard stallman
02:34<peekay>i have deCoded the 'free' bug
02:35<avtobiff>then why dont you know what i meant with 'free' software?
02:35<peekay>free is better said as FREEDOM to change
02:35<peekay>not FREE OF COST
02:35<peekay>ah !
02:35<avtobiff>it is not only freedom to change
02:35<peekay>i got my answer
02:35<peekay>no ?
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02:36<peekay>not ONLY freedom to change .. then WHAT other 'freedoms' ??
02:36<suiside>feel FREE to take this discussion to #debian-offtopic if it doesn't concern debian support anymore
02:36<peekay>maybe richard created the baby 'free' to change/modify/alter/improve/re-write the HP printer driver
02:36<peekay>but WE can make it to mean new things too !
02:37<peekay>this is weird ..
02:37<peekay>i come in with an sos
02:37<avtobiff>there are 4 basic freedoms or whatever freedom to 0) run 1) study and adapt 2) redistribute 3) improve and release. sorry suiside back on topic now
02:37<peekay>people start bashing
02:37<peekay>i take it sportingly
02:37<avtobiff>save our souls?
02:37<Supaplex>yes, he's asking for help
02:37<Supaplex>or was until !netinst was suggested (for now)
02:38<peekay>yes .. programmers here are laughing at the wrong display of hindi in thunderbird
02:38<peekay>that's exactly right !!!
02:38<dpkg>Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban.
02:38<peekay>want a screen shot of how absurd it looks ?
02:38<Supaplex>not until it's a debian product :)
02:38<avtobiff>what is ellipsis and interrobang?
02:38<Supaplex>(of sorts)
02:38<peekay>will do .. deb-ettiquette .. sorry .. publicly apologize .. pls excuse .. forgive
02:39<Supaplex>... is ellipsis
02:39<peekay>i ASKED exactly that !
02:39<peekay>will pure debian installing solve the issue ?
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02:39<avtobiff>Supaplex, thanks. do you know what interrobang is?
02:40<Supaplex>peekay: well if it doesn't, there's always <bts> :-p
02:40<vook>peekay: hey - seriously, take this to #debian-offtopic - I'll see you there. We like to keep this channel clean and uncluttered for specific debian related questions and structured dialog. com'on to debian-offtopic, please?
02:40<peekay>u know or u don't .. i'm okay with either
02:40<peekay>bts ? .. adding new word to my 'knowledgeBase' .. what's bts
02:40<avtobiff>peekay, bug tracking system
02:41<avtobiff>peekay, commonly understood here as the Debian Bug Trackin System
02:41<peekay>you want this 4 day old learner of debian (even via boss) to do bts of ThunderBird ?
02:41<peekay>yipes !
02:41<peekay>i'm learner .. remember .. you guys tell me .. or don't tell me ..
02:41<peekay>don't put me in DIY mode .. this is an SOS .. remember ?
02:42<peekay>this is perhaps OT to you .. but to me .. using Thunderbird and getting ridiculed for the wierd way it shows hindi emails is downright NOT acceptatble !
02:42<Supaplex>‽ dun render in elinks :( ahhh foo.
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02:43<vook>not acceptable for something you didn't pay for?
02:43<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
02:43<Supaplex>dpkg: you rule
02:44<peekay><ignoring>vook's punches..vook is still in the 'ragging' desktop mode </ignoring>
02:44<Supaplex>you get what you pay for
02:44<Supaplex>oh wait... you don't :-D
02:44<peekay>that's nuts !
02:45<janrocks>you get something that "may" work
02:45<peekay>my time is worth much more than the $130 tag for VISTA ..
02:45<janrocks>tried a different mail application?
02:45<Supaplex>well, for $0 you get so much more
02:45<Supaplex>so bitch accordingly ;)
02:45<peekay>look janrocks .. i MADE something that works .. very well .. in 50 hours on a new debian based .. not happyThing boss ..
02:45<peekay>ah !
02:46<peekay>now it's my turn
02:46<vook>I new that bastard was a spammer
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02:46<peekay>all those who are NOT proud of the freeOfCost thing .. and are suggesting that i got ridiculed for NOT paying .. please stand up and be counted !~
02:46<jm_>and troll
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02:46<peekay>oh no !
02:46<janrocks>i wasn't even commenting
02:47<peekay>that's a bad punch ..
02:47<@helix>what the
02:47<janrocks>just asking if you had tried a different program and had the same problems
02:47<peekay>LET's put this to test : 'spam' .. point out ! .. from the record of this chat
02:47<Supaplex>I must have something on ignore. :P
02:47<peekay>'bastard' .. well .. i'll let that pass for now
02:47<Supaplex>well, besides peekay (take it to -offtopic hint hint)
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02:48<peekay>taking the hind .. it's better to be helped .. on an OT channel .. than to be called a 'bastard' in open official forum ..
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02:48*janrocks doesn't care if things don't work
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02:48<peekay>i will wait for a few minutes to watch how my being kicked is watched !
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02:49<avtobiff>peekay, what do you want help with?
02:49<peekay>sos mode again ..
02:50<peekay>thank you for giving me a breather ..
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02:50<peekay>people here making fun of the way 'hindi' characters appear in mozillaFirefox
02:50<janrocks>sausage over saigon?
02:50<peekay>is this a bug in mozillaFirefox ?
02:51<janrocks>the thing is tho, is it a specific debian issue or an application issue
02:51<peekay>or is this a limitation of debian ?
02:51<peekay>how to fix it ?
02:51<peekay>it IS a debian issue !
02:51<peekay>NOT A BUG in any application
02:51<Supaplex>peekay has a 'based on debian' issue until <step0> is complete.
02:51<peekay>we're talking Thunderbird and Firefox working on top of debian OS
02:52<janrocks>if it is a mozilla problem it is nothing to do with debian. if it only happens with these applications on debian then it is interesting
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02:52<peekay>i agree
02:52<janrocks>so.. have you tried the same applications running on say fedora and checked
02:52<peekay>i have changed the "in" .. keyboard map definition file in the 'symbols' folder under usr/..../symbols
02:53<peekay>THAT is a debian file
02:53<peekay>right ?
02:53<peekay>dear friend .. i'm only a 4 day old user of debian (subset ?)
02:53<peekay>you guys are the experts
02:53<peekay>this is an SOS .. it is very important
02:54<peekay>i have to give a presentation to a school .. to teach FOSS GNU thingys
02:54<janrocks>honestly? it sounds more like a fonts problem within the mozilla directories. maybe a missing link or incorrect lib
02:54<peekay>nope .. same thing happening in FireFox too !
02:54<peekay>oops .. that's a goof ..
02:54<dpkg>don't trip man! those square characters are caused by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xorg-common/FAQ.gz, or did you see boxes too?, or <search> for missing fonts
02:54<peekay>both are from the mozilla stable
02:55<peekay>dear friend/helper/niceGuy dpkg .. i NEVER said square boxes
02:55<peekay>ALL characters appear
02:55<peekay>but wierd !
02:55<vook>weird ! oh yes! that was the key word we've been waiting for!
02:55<peekay>like london appears like lnodon
02:56<peekay>the characters appeare wierd ..
02:56<peekay>vook .. let's forget the few minutes ago tiff .. ok ..
02:56<peekay>peace !
02:56<peekay>now answer the question ..
02:56*Supaplex mv /proc/self to /dev/bed
02:56<subby>lol.... keyboard mapping?
02:56<peekay>or let's look for the answer
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02:57<peekay>yes subby .. keyboard mapping .. like making the qwerty into an alphabetic by changing layout thru modification of the keymap file
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02:57<peekay>is that FUNNY ?
02:57<subby>yep... I had the same issue on my compaq F500
02:57<peekay>FOR THE RECORDS .. VOOK "IS" IN TROUBLE .. calling 'bastard' is not easily acceptable debian behaviour !
02:58<Supaplex>it's a moot point if he's not here.
02:58<peekay>(not forking .. subby .. can i answer you later .. a sinking man cannot help a learner swimmer to cross the english channel)
02:58<subby>oh... sorry peekay... I was laughing at the keyboard mapping
02:58<peekay>WHICH mapping ?
02:58<peekay>try mine .. you'll jump with joy
02:58<subby>the issue above...
02:59<peekay>IF you are talking about hindi
03:00<subby>ok... c ya later guys... my semantics are way crossed here.... I think I will go and have some dinner :) good luck all
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03:03<janrocks>BUT.. we have not tied down if this is a generic mozilla problem or specific to debian
03:05<Supaplex>GAH! sure, now I see "save"
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03:08<peekay>look friends .. THIS is what i need to know to .. i don't WANT it to be a debain problem
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03:09<peekay>but if it IS .. well .. this is the right place to start talking about the problem
03:09<peekay>seeking correction
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03:09<peekay>THIS IS A HUUGE opportunity to push linux into schools here
03:09<peekay>please help
03:09<peekay>still in SOS mode .. 2 days to go for my presentation .. i really DON't want to call it off
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03:10<Supaplex>as in fix thunderbird?
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03:11<peekay>too little time to learn rh, suse, mandrake, caldera(/), minix, smallLinux, etc
03:11<peekay>this is a FOSS thing .. money is miles away .. so let's get a move on this .. shall we ..
03:11<janrocks>then start at mozilla and work backwards
03:11<Supaplex>did you install debian?
03:11<rt711>and you think debian is more simple than others?
03:11<peekay>this is NOT the question
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03:11<peekay>firefox for english is ok
03:12<chealer>peekay: do not use CAPITAL letters to put emphasis on text.
03:12<peekay>these guys are english medium school chain
03:12<peekay>oh chealer .. won't happen again
03:12<peekay>they need hindi *also*
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03:13<peekay>thunderBird/FireFox in Hindi is as much of greek to them as to me
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03:14<peekay>sorry .. typo .. that was 'ok chealer .. won't.....'
03:15<janrocks>then maybe you need to be here
03:15<peekay>thanks janrocks .. will go there pronto .. i'm terribly short of time
03:16<janrocks>I am just trying to help with a mozilla problem which does not seem directly debian related
03:16<peekay>anyone here tried reading hindi text in thunderbird working on top of debian (pure..not subSet/wateredDown .. like it may be in boss)
03:16<janrocks>sorry no. i use evolution
03:18<Supaplex>tunderbird? no. hindi? no. boss? no.
03:19<peekay>forget boss guys .. let's talk debian
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03:20<Supaplex>then run dpkg -l libc6 | grep libc
03:20<janrocks>also for thunderbird
03:21<peekay>thankYou janrocks .. repeating .. *that* i will do
03:21<Supaplex>let's hear it for upstream
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03:22<peekay>tell me what i want to really hear .. it is *not* a debian problem
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03:22<peekay>or .. it *is* a debain proble .. i don't want to hear that for sure
03:22<selfcontr0l>can someone help me understand something about window managers?
03:22<Supaplex>as in, it'll fix itself when you install debian?
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03:23<peekay>best reply would be *dunno* .. then let's all work on this .. together .. this may be a first bug report of this kind
03:23<selfcontr0l>gnome seems to depend on metacity or sawfish...these are window managers, right?
03:24<janrocks>peekay : also you may need to add the locale for the region
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03:24<Supaplex>I have a meeting scheduled with a pillow and a bed. bug reports rarely fix the issue over night. I suggest you digest the wikibits
03:24<chandu>How do I know whcih IDE driver is loaded
03:24<chandu>Its probing my disk as /dev/hda
03:25<chandu>I want to know which driver is loaded for this ide interface
03:25<selfcontr0l>so what is compiz and how does it compare with metacity and sawfish. does it work WITH them or INPLACE of them?
03:25<chandu>Actaually the disk is SATA ..but it is detecting as ide
03:25<selfcontr0l>"what is compiz" meaning what is its function
03:25<jm_>chandu: ls -l /sys/block/hda/device/
03:26<chandu>jm_, ok
03:26<dpkg>[compiz] a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
03:26<selfcontr0l>current state is unstable, but it's in the stable release?
03:27<selfcontr0l>hmm..thx i'll check out the wiki site
03:27<peekay>g'nite Supaplex .. if you dream up a solution.. well .. i'll probably still be in sos mode 12 hrs later
03:27<peekay>thankYou janrocks .. i guess i'm redirected ..
03:28<peekay>will try and find out .. *and* let you guys know again .. so that another little *b* can be helped when he comes in with an *sos* call
03:28<jm_>no it's not in stable
03:28<chandu>jm_, Its not showing any driver
03:28<peekay>signing off (calling names is a sure sign of *don't know the answer*)
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03:28<chandu>jm_, Its just lists the files in it
03:28<selfcontr0l>how do i tell whether i'm running stable or testing....i thought i had stable
03:28<chandu>jm_, It has bind, unbind and a folder 0:0:0:0
03:29<jm_>!debian version
03:29<dpkg>To determine which version of debian you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "lenny/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>.
03:29<jm_>chandu: no, that's in driver dir
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03:32<janrocks>peekay : if it turns out to be debian only problem we would like to hear about it
03:32<janrocks>good luck
03:32<chandu>jm_, ok
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04:35<Cyorxamp>Lo I've got two network cards... but I only ever use eth0 statically assigned... and /etc/network/interfaces is only configured to use eth0
04:36<Cyorxamp>Yet eth1 seems to be on dhcp as its always up on ifconfig and its always using eth1 instead of eth0
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04:50<padski>Cyorxamp, so what happens if you do ifdown eth1 ?
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05:07<JustSoul>How to make a boot usb-stick?
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05:08<JustSoul>using grub]
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05:09<|2l8|>what was the name of the dite where i check if my device is supported ?
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05:12<mosez>how did i add daemons like apache and so on to the default runlevel that it starts at boot time?
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05:12<jm_>!tell |2l8| -about hcl
05:12<jm_>mosez: Debian does that automatically
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05:14<mosez>jm_: ah, ok
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05:20<staaleu>I am on a fresh debian system (unstable/sid), I have installed apache2, php5, and libapache2-mod-php5, php5 is an enabled mod in apache2 - yet php files aren't parsed
05:20<dondelelcaro>!+php wants me to download still
05:20<dpkg>if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser.
05:20<mjk>Hm, does anyone happen to know how to indent a block of text (using spaces) with the editor "jed"?
05:20<jm_>heh someone has that exact same problem two weeks ago
05:21<kapil>JustSoul: you need to run 'grup-install <device>' where <device> is replaced by the whole disk device of the USB stick (usually something like /dev/sda or /dev/sdb)
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05:21<mjk>jm_: The jed problem or the PHP problem? =)
05:21<dondelelcaro>mjk: I don't remember it having a rect mode; emacs does, though.
05:21<kapil>s/grup/grub/ (I must be becoming Tamilian or German :-))
05:21<JustSoul>kapil: "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
05:22<jm_>mjk: PHP
05:22<mjk>dondelelcaro: Ah, good keyword for google ... jed seems to have rectangle functions, will try to figure out how to use them, thanks!
05:23<dondelelcaro>mjk: ah, ok... I'm not much of an expert in jed; I just use it as a convenient standin for when I can't be bothered to start emacs
05:23<dondelelcaro>(if you're doing real editing, you probably want to start up emacs too)
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05:24<mjk>dondelelcaro: Grmbl .. ;-)
05:25<dondelelcaro>emacs+gnuclient is often all you need! ;-)
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05:26<mjk>dondelelcaro: At least the following works: mark a block of text (startpoint must be on the left edge of the block, endpoint on the right, then M-x kill_rect, then e.g. put the cursor 2 spaces away from the left margin, then M-x insert_rect: voila, the text got indented by 2 spaces. :-)
05:26<kapil>JustSoul: you may have to add '(hd0) /dev/sda' to grub/ manually on the USB stick grub directory.
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05:26<kapil>JustSoul: and then you ask grub-install to reuse the
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05:27<dondelelcaro>mjk: heh. I'm to programmed to just M-space (move to other end of rect) C-x r t space space <return>
05:27<mjk>dondelelcaro: Grmf, need that, too. Will bother switching to Emacs (or an alternative) a bit later, I think. =)
05:28<kapil>mjk, dondelecaro: or you can use screen.
05:29<dondelelcaro>kapil: for what?
05:29<kapil>dondelelcare: for rectangle cut and paste.
05:30<kapil>s/dondelelcare/dondelelcaro/ sorry.
05:30<dondelelcaro>kapil: not in a file that's being edited
05:31<kapil>as long as your editor is inside a term running screen. i missed the context.
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05:31<dondelelcaro>kapil: that doesn't paste rectangles though
05:31<dondelelcaro>kapil: it pastes sections of the screen with newlines appended
05:32<dondelelcaro>kapil: the thing that we're talking about effectively indents a section of text (or splits it in two) by two spaces
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05:35<kapil>dondelelcaro: i misunderstood the context and thought it was a problem that i have solved.
05:35<dondelelcaro>no worries
05:35<dondelelcaro>just wanted to make sure you knew about what we were talking about because it's an extreemly useful feature
05:36<jm_>or use vim :P
05:37<dondelelcaro>there is that... but I can't tell you what keypresses to use to do rect stuff in vim
05:37<dondelelcaro>(and vim takes almost as long to start as emacs does)
05:37<jm_>ctrl-v is blockwise
05:37<kapil>i don't use emacs any more and use screen as a replacement for some emacs-ish things.
05:38<kapil>like cut and paste from w3m into mail.
05:39<kapil>jm_: i can't use vim. it would be P.I. since i maintain 'elvis'
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05:44*kapil needs to solve #392727 and 'elvis' will be just perfect
05:45<jm_>not trivial
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05:48<kapil>now that there is unicode, even text editors need to work hard to be wysiwyg.
05:49<dondelelcaro>it's not *that* difficult
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05:49<dondelelcaro>(though it requires having realized that that may be a problem, and dealing with your text presentation in a sufficinetly abstract manner)
05:51<kapil>dondelelcaro: there is a second problem hidden in the bug. since elvis treats lines as a list of bytes, it even edits them as bytes. so a 'delete char' is actually a 'delete byte'.
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05:54<kapil>this has 'funny' consequences while editing multi-byte unicode characters.
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06:05<dondelelcaro>kapil: yeah, that's pretty typical of code written by people who were unaware of other coding systems
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06:56<buffoon_work>hi! I want to install a debian server with apache, mysql and RT. My question now is where Mysql puts the database. Im doing partitioning and i don't know exactly how much space i need for the partitions
06:56<buffoon_work>is it stored in /var?
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06:58<themill>buffoon_work: the default location from the debian packages is /var/lib/mysql
06:58<jm_>should be explained in the readme
06:58<buffoon_work>ok, thx
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07:28<silenceofthelambs>fava beans
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07:34<silenceofthelambs>fava beans
07:35<themill>silenceofthelambs: do you have a debian question we can help you with?
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07:39<silenceofthelambs>themill, fava beans
07:39<silenceofthelambs>themill, i can make my penis disappear like the gentleman in silence of the lambs while i sing
07:39<silenceofthelambs>themill, i like to dress up like a woman and tuck my penis underneath and dance
07:39<themill>!ops silenceofthelambs needs a kicking
07:39<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: silenceofthelambs needs a kicking
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07:40<themill>Ganneff: thanks. Did you check how many channels it was on? Someone needs a life.
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08:20<norbert_>hi, can anyone here name one or more websites besides freshmeat that are 'well known' application overviews for GNU/Linux?
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08:30<norbert_>anyone know any 'well known' general software websites besides Freshmeat?
08:32<norbert_>hi chandu
08:32<chandu>In my system HDD is detected as /dev/hda
08:32<chandu>it is using "ide-disk" as the driver
08:32<chandu>but its a SATA disk
08:32<chandu>I want to make the disk detect as /dev/sda using libata
08:33<jm_>then disable legacy mode in the BIOS
08:33<chandu>is there any possibility that libata takes preference on ide-disk and disk get detect as /dev/sda
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08:38<tingle>can i make a dualboot between debian and winxp once i installed debian first? i read on the net that might be a problem
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08:39<jm_>tingle: you have my permission
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08:39<tingle>jm_: hehe well thats great :)
08:39<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
08:39<oxymor00n>the problem is that xp doesn't care about anything else so it overwrites the boodloader. but should be easy to fix
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08:40<ozdeb>hi everyone
08:41<ozdeb>trying to move table header in Lyx to left. without success does anyone know lyx ?
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08:46<alexises>bonjour j'ai une questiuon
08:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
08:47<alexises>sous ubuntu 8.04 je n'arrive pas à lance des exécutable dans nautilus
08:47<alexises>pourquoi ?
08:47<alexises>et comment résoudre sa
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08:47<norbert_>ozdeb: you may want to try #ubuntu, with >1000 users in that channel
08:47<norbert_>ozdeb: I used lyx, but not enough to be able to help you
08:48<alexises>i have selec the wroung chanel
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08:48<alexises>when i cannt to xchat :)
08:48<ozdeb>norbert_, well from experience- usually debian users are less noobs :-)
08:48<norbert_>alexises: type: /join #debian-fr
08:48<ozdeb>norbert_, Lyx is pretty advanced
08:49<alexises>ozdeb i hate the rprp ok ok i exit ==>[]
08:49<abdullah>hello everybody
08:49<norbert_>ozdeb: yeah; by the way, I think many Americans may be sleeping right now, so you could try again in about 10 hours
08:50<abdullah>hello everybody
08:50<ozdeb>yep, that's probably right
08:50<alexises>what time is it in usa ?
08:50<norbert_>around 6.50
08:50<norbert_>new york is 8.50 am, los angeles 5.50
08:51<abdullah>norbert why aren t you sleeping?
08:51<norbert_>I'm in The Netherlands
08:51<alexises>in french contru it is 2p.m
08:51<norbert_>2.50 pm (14.50)
08:52<alexises>49 hihi
08:52<abdullah>holland = neterlands?
08:52<norbert_>abdullah: yes
08:52<alexises>hes you can eat some chease
08:52<norbert_>I know, so can you :)
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08:53<norbert_>jm_: anyone know any 'well known' general software websites besides Freshmeat?
08:53<norbert_>jm_: :)
08:53<jm_>norbert_: nope
08:53<abdullah>ı know
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08:53<abdullah>but betanews is so good
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08:54<abdullah>did you hear
08:55<norbert_>jm_: okay, is that because there barely are any of those websites, or because of the way I formulated the question?
08:55<AbsintheSyringe>my dist-upgrade failed, hoow can I reinstall all packages on my system or something?
08:55<norbert_>AbsintheSyringe: how did it fail?
08:56<abdullah>its easy
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08:56<dpkg>methinks its is the third person neuter singular possessive prononun -- "belonging to it". It does not have an apostrophe. "It's" is a contraction for "it is" and uses an apostrophe to denote removed letters. the Incompatible Timesharing System
08:56<AbsintheSyringe>norbert_, for example kde-guidance-powermanagment doesn't start, then kde-networking didn't start, now I got network running but still no kde-guidance
08:57<norbert_>but the apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade didn't give any problems?
08:57<abdullah>yes ı knows this problem
08:57<abdullah>you can use terminal
08:57<jm_>norbert_: the latter, but I also don't know of any other sites
08:58<abdullah>you can use ---su
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08:58<dpkg>i heard reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone>
08:58<abdullah>root pswd
08:58<AbsintheSyringe>norbert_, no it all went through, but I see things missing, that's why I want to reinstall every single package on my sys, how is that possible?
08:58<norbert_>jm_: tucows has a Linux section
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08:59<norbert_>jm_: and has software
08:59<norbert_>jm_: and
08:59<norbert_>surely there are many others that can be found via Google
08:59<norbert_>but the thing is, I'm looking for 'well known' application overviews, like Freshmeat
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09:02<vfaronov>Hello. I am running etch amd64 with a stock kernel. After I insert the cdc_acm kernel module (needed for Nokia phone USB modem) the system begins to experience lockups and other weirdness.
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09:03<vfaronov>In /var/log/messages there is for example "NMI Watchdog detected LOCKUP on CPU 0" and subsequently "console shuts up". Any ideas?
09:03<vfaronov>(running on Core 2 Duo)
09:04<vfaronov>I've found this but it isn't very helpful.
09:04<tingle>how can i rezise my linux partition using the debian netdisc?
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09:04<tingle>i went into rescue mode
09:05<tingle>but once i go to partition disk or something like that
09:05<tingle>and i try to resize it i get this partition cannot be rezised in a red window
09:05<dpkg>[ext2resize] at or a tool (still in development, but then what isn't) that can shrink or extend an existing ext2 partition.
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09:06<dpkg>GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. Supports Apple and sparc partition tables.
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09:06<jm_>there's also qtparted
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09:06<norbert_>(:) !ext3resize -> "The core ext3 kernel patch is already done for 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernels, but no up-to-date patch is available.")
09:06<tingle>how can i boot those programs?
09:07<norbert_>tingle: or "partition magic" if you run from Windows
09:07<tingle>im not i would like to install win xp on it
09:07<tingle>so i need to rezise my linux partition
09:08<norbert_>if you can enter your Linux installation, you don't need to "boot" those programs
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09:08<norbert_>"Just use ext2resize on a loopback file and it will work fine. See ext2resize man page for an example of how to test with a loopback file."
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09:09<tingle>norbert_: ext2resize is on the netinstall boot disc?
09:09<norbert_>looks nice, like a partition magic clone
09:09<tingle>i cant rezise a partition that im using
09:09<norbert_>tingle: can you boot into your system?
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09:09<tingle>so i cant boot into my system
09:10<norbert_>why do you need to resize the partition that linux is on in order to boot linux?
09:10<tingle>so i can install ext2resize? and then boot the disk and get to command line whitout booting in de hd?
09:11<tingle>do you mean it like that?
09:11<norbert_>qtparted is a Linux app, so you can just boot into Debian, install qtparted, run that to resize the partition and then install WinXP
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09:11<tingle>but IMO its not possible to resize a parition that is currenrly in use
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09:11<norbert_>tingle: it is
09:11<tingle>so when im booted in my debian system i cant resize is because im booted in it at that moment
09:12<norbert_>try adding ' characters to sentences you make, because it's hard to read otherwise
09:12<norbert_>like: I'm and can't
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09:12<norbert_>tingle: when you have booted into your Debian system, you CAN resize it
09:13<tingle>sure i'll try it
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09:14<tingle>well i'll try it but i'm not convinsed convinsed
09:14<norbert_>do you want me to send you a screenshot of my running qparted on my machine?
09:15<tingle>not its ok thanks ill see it in <1min if im right :)
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09:17<Noodels>Okay, so I'm gonna try and get acpi working on my computer. All I know is slackware and debian worked, everything else didn't.
09:17<Noodels>Any pointers?
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09:19<jm_>which part of ACPI?
09:21<norbert_>how can I put Mandriva on ignore in xchat?
09:21<norbert_>says I have to use masks; he keeps sending me private messages
09:21<Mandriva>ıam sorry
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09:22<norbert_>even though I already pointed him to the "/msg bots NOT people" in the topic
09:22<norbert_>Mandriva: then stop messaging me
09:22<Mandriva>ı am not bot
09:22<Mandriva>norbert you are no kind
09:23<norbert_>and no english you not
09:23<Noodels>jm_: You tell me, all I know is that my computer crashes if acpi is enabled.
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09:23<jm_>Noodels: so why do you want to use it then?
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09:24<Noodels>jm_: Because as it is, I can't switch off my computer propperly.
09:25<Gekz>norbert_: Mandriva*!*@*
09:25<Mandriva>ı am sorry
09:25<norbert_>Gekz: thanks; don't think I'll need it anymore, but thanks anyways
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09:26<jm_>Noodels: which parts of ACPI do you have enabled in the kernel?
09:26<Gekz>norbert_: learning is fun!
09:26<norbert_>sure is
09:26<Noodels>jm_: No idea, it would help if I knew how to tell.
09:26*Gekz is the master of banning people
09:26<jm_>Noodels: is it a custom kernel?
09:27<Noodels>jm_: *shrug* Fresh install of debian 64 bit, testing.
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09:28<Noodels>jm_: Kernel Linux 2.6.24-1-amd64
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09:29<jm_>Noodels: ok well then start by loading individual modules
09:30<Noodels>jm_: This is why I only asked for pointers, I didn't even know where or how to look.
09:30<jm_>Noodels: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)|grep acpi
09:30<sample>ı am dummies ı dont understand anything!!!!!!!!!!
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09:31<Noodels>:S There's a lot there.
09:31<norbert_>sample: yeah, and you keep changing your nick, that's not going to help either
09:31<jm_>yeah - you only need the core stuff, but I have to run now
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09:31<amphi>Noodels: this is a laptop?
09:32<Noodels>amphi: A cheap yet high spec desktop.
09:32<amphi>!tell Noodels -about laptop
09:32<amphi>arrgh, misread, sorry
09:32<Noodels>amphi: xD
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10:09<padski>I'm playing with an amd turion64. what is a good virtualisation option to use the hw virtuialisation ?
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10:15<kurumin>I!! Wat is you?
10:16<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
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10:33<Noodels>Uh... My mouse just became un-usable...
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10:34<Noodels>Anyone got any ideas why my mouse keeps jumping back to a certain place in the screen?
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10:35<latitude>normes: did it worked before?
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10:35<latitude>I just shoot John Lennon
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10:36<latitude>What the point of asking and then immediately parting
10:37<mobin>hello everyone
10:37*latitude greets mobin
10:37<mobin>which is the best voice chat client in Debian?
10:38<padski>latitude, you are supposed to leave after that ;-)
10:38<dpkg>i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
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10:38<dpkg>somebody said debtags was, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or
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10:42<latitude>padski: I metioned the Noodels, not me )
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10:49<zukalk>hello all. is anyone using iwl3945? i'd really need some help
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10:59<latitude>zukalk: I do
10:59<zukalk>latitude: "wtp"?
10:59<zukalk>latitude: my problem, right. : P
10:59<latitude>yeah :-)
11:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:00<zukalk>latitude: well, i installed the firmware and have 2.6.24. i had to change the udev rules so that wlan0 and wmaster0 would show up
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11:01<latitude>zukalk: that's right, the ifname had been changed
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11:01<zukalk>latitude: and if i do ip link set wlan0 up, it doesn't complain, and it seems that iwconfig wlan0 essid xxx works (doesn't complain either)
11:02<zukalk>latitude: but i simply can't get the connection to work, and i don't know where i'm failing
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11:02<latitude>try iwlist scan
11:03<latitude>does it show anything?
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11:03<zukalk>well, i'm on a liveCD now : P cause the only way i can connect to the net here is wirelessly
11:04<zukalk>latitude: now you mention it, i don't think i've tried to iwlist. but i tried using network-manager and i noticed there wasn't any list showing up
11:04<latitude>zukalk: if you have your nic up, and iwlist shows some nets nearby, the card works fine
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11:04<zukalk>latitude: my nic?
11:05<latitude>Network Interface Card
11:05<latitude>the good old name )
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11:05<zukalk>latitude: and if it doesn't show any networks?
11:05<m0RrE>does anyone have experience with postfix + dovecot mailserver?
11:06<latitude>are you able to transfer the dmesg some way to me? :)
11:06<zukalk>latitude: i can mount my disk. where do i find the log?
11:06<m0RrE>i'm able to send emails from the server to anyone, but i can't send to a virtual user on the server.
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11:06<latitude>just dump it to a file while running the system
11:07<zukalk>latitude: ok. i'll go and do that, and try iwlist-scanning. i'll be back, then
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11:07<latitude>zukalk: ok
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11:13<Zathras>hi, what is the minimum of packages to enable me to run X11 apps remotely. When I ssh -X/-Y into the server it claims to have no DISPLAY set. yet the basic stuff seems ok.
11:13<dpkg>somebody said sshx was Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither <xhost>, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or, or try
11:14<azeem>"install xauth [...] on both the client and the server"
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11:14<Zathras>client is already running X. Works fine. server is etch with xbase-clients installed. yet it does not work
11:15<azeem>is xbase-clients installed on the client?
11:15<Zathras>yes, I have run remote apps before and am even doing so right now (to another server)
11:16<azeem>is Enable X11Forwarding set on the remote server's /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
11:16<azeem>Zathras: run ssh -vvv -X to get more diagnostic output
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11:17<Zathras>azeem, yes, X11 fowarding=yes and yes I have done a ssh -vvv -Y but that does not show anything usefull yet afaik
11:17<Zathras>or I might have overlooked something
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11:17<azeem>hard to say without looking at it
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11:18<Zathras>any pointers at where to look at?
11:18<zukalk>latitude: hey, back. iwlist did return nets, after all
11:18<azeem>the idea is that you put the output on a pastebin, and *we* look at it
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11:21<Zathras>azeem, ty:
11:21<latitude>zukalk: so the problem is not with the card after all
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11:21<latitude>zukalk: do you have any records in /etc/network/interfaces about wlan0
11:22<zukalk>latitude: yes, wait a sec
11:22<azeem>Zathras: eh, are you sshing in as root?
11:22<zukalk>is pasting 3 (three) lines here illegal?
11:23<azeem>depends on what kind of lines
11:23<latitude>zukalk: just delete them from the file :)
11:23<zukalk>latitude: oh?
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11:23<latitude>zukalk: or comment out, whatelse
11:23<Zathras>azeem, no I am not
11:23<zukalk>latitude: those are the lines:
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11:24<azeem>why does it say "debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/identity type -1debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/identity type -1" then?
11:24<zukalk>iface wlan0 inet dhcp | pre-up ip link set wlan0 up | wireless-essid xxxx
11:24<zukalk>( | is a line feed, obviously)
11:24<Zathras>azeem, good one, noticed that one too now
11:25<latitude>zukalk: networkmanager just skips everything it finds in interfaces
11:25<latitude>not so simply of course, but mixing ifupdown and networkmanager is a bad idea
11:26<zukalk>latitude: i uninstalled it a week ago, it was giving me strange problems, and then switching to /etc/network/interfaces solved them
11:26<Zathras>azeem, I login with a user created during/with the installer CD. uid=1000
11:26<zukalk>latitude: i think i used the term 'network-manager' earlier, i meant 'network-admin'
11:27<azeem>Zathras: and you run ssh -X root@foobar?
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11:27<Zathras>no ssh -Y zathras@myserver
11:27<zukalk>latitude: nm said something about no deviced being found, can't recall exactly
11:27<azeem>and zathras is what uid on myserver?
11:28<themill>so why is root's public key being checked (lines 81-83)
11:28<Zathras>azeem, 1000
11:28<latitude>zukalk: I has never benn using that
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11:28<azeem>Zathras: something is borked in your setup then, check the config files on both sides
11:28<latitude>zukalk: you may just play with wpa_supplicant and iwconfig with your own hands
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11:29<Zathras>azeem, just created a new user from shell. And did a test with that user. It works fine
11:29<Zathras>sounds like an installer issue
11:29<latitude>zukalk: that will show who is right - your card, you or netadmin :)
11:29<azeem>Zathras: what does "id" print out for the old user?
11:30<zukalk>latitude: hehe. what i don't get is: if my etcnetworkinterfaces worked for ipw (and considering i don't use NM), why shouldn't it for iwl?
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11:30<Zathras>azeem: uid=1000(zathras) gid=1000(zathras) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),1000(zathras)
11:30<latitude>zukalk: it should in fact
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11:31<zukalk>latitude: did iwl give you any problems at all?
11:31<FoxM>Hi. I want to install the latest snapshot for alsa. How can I do that on my Debian Etch r3?
11:31<latitude>zukalk: maybe 'eth1' is hardcoded somewhere
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11:32<tonyd>does anyone know of anyway to search transcripts for this IRC channel?
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11:35<zukalk>latitude: well. i've downloaded the nm packages and i'll try installing and using it. hope this works
11:35<latitude>zukalk: no major problems
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11:36<latitude>zukalk: but i found nm unacceptable for me, as I change my network configuration faster than it can cope with ;-)
11:36<latitude>Zathras: I use guessnet with ifupdown
11:37<latitude>Zathras: sorry )
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11:37<Zathras>azeem, thanks for your time and effort. I reported the issue to the installer guys
11:37<Zathras>latitude, np
11:37<norbert_>yay, I'm here to thank you guys for the hints the last couple of weeks, it made it possible for me to finish (today) the project I was working on
11:37<norbert_>a Prince of Persia 1 level editor
11:37<norbert_>video of the GPL3 application:
11:38<norbert_>source and more information are available via the link on the right side of the video
11:39<norbert_>finally it's done, happy joy joy ;-)
11:40<norbert_>anyways, I'm out of here, I hope to have added a reason for people to move from Windows to Linux :P
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11:43<azeem>Zathras: I really don't think it's an installer issue
11:44<Zathras>azeem, if not, what is it then?
11:44<azeem>local misconfiguration on your part
11:45<Zathras>it is a fresh install
11:45<Zathras>did nothing fancy
11:45<azeem>Zathras: try to move away ~/.ssh
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11:46<Zathras>afaik I even never SSHed into this machine as user 'root'. I never do so because it was forbidden in the default sshserver setup on Debian
11:47<Zathras>this makes /root/,ssh even wierder
11:47<tonyd>root ssh is not forbidden by default
11:47<tonyd>The opensshserver package does not set it up forbidden
11:47<Zathras>it used to be
11:47<tonyd>I installed last night
11:47<tonyd>it isn't
11:48<Supaplex>for the last year or more, net installs are not restricted
11:48<Zathras>been an Debian user for ages and it used to be so, so I never even try to login as root
11:49<tonyd>Yeah, I installed last night, and a couple months ago
11:49<tonyd>both installs allow root logins to ssh by default
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11:49<fxiny>./win gr 4
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11:49<Supaplex>if you ssh out as root, you save known_hosts
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11:50<sheriff_p>I've got a brand new Debian box courtesy of Linode, and it can't send mail with a 'clean' install - "2008-04-03 11:48:43 1JhRgB-0000gn-00 Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim/mainlog": No such file or directory: euid=8 egid=8"
11:50<sheriff_p>Is that normal?
11:50<sheriff_p>Is there a command I'm meant to be running to get that setup on a new Debian install?
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11:50<latitude>if it is not clear, some of my servers are running for 3 years and I just recently discovered that root logins are enables, so dont pretend it was used to :)
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11:52<fxiny>3 years ? can't believe you never been longituded :P
11:52<tonyd>Yeah I think the base install of openssh is rather insecure for internet use, root logins, password auth, but on the local network it is more usable
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11:53<latitude>fxiny: well i exaggerated a bit I think about 3 years, maybe 16-18 month, sorry
11:54<latitude>somehere in the middle of the etch/unstable
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11:55<kapil>sheriff_p: 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config'
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11:56<chandu_>There is a SATA IDE Controller and disks connected to that controller
11:56<sheriff_p>kapil: That throws errors too
11:56<chandu_>will the driver probe for the PCI ID of the controller or the PCI ID of the device or some way using both
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11:56<chandu_>How the driver will load for this
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11:59<fxiny>latitude: i follow all checks , recommended by debian hardening docs , since woody
12:00<fxiny>every release changes a bit like down /etc/pam , but is not that hard
12:01<_haxi_>anyway to do : ` echo * * * * * myjob > crontab -e` ?
12:01<fxiny>once i shut my self out !
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12:01<fxiny>_haxi_: orrible !
12:02<_haxi_>i found out, /etc/crontab ;]
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12:02<fxiny>_haxi_: same as before :P
12:02<fxiny>don't say spool :P
12:02<fxiny>_haxi_: :))
12:03<_haxi_>howto so ? :>
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12:03<fxiny>_haxi_: just type crontab -e . man crontab
12:04<_haxi_>I want to add a job from an C++ application
12:04<cahoot>why keeping the questioning in stereo?
12:05<fxiny>check /var/spool/cron/crontabs
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12:07<_haxi_>thanks :]
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12:11<Wesley>Could anyone explain what the following means? Error, Unit 64: Logical unit not present (3ware raid controller)
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12:16<FoxM>Hi. How can I find information about replacing the alsa module with a newer version in Debian Etch?
12:16<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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12:19<FoxM>padski: thanks ^_^
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12:26<epilido>I have a ibm 3945 wireless nic card. seems that it is dropping the essid I can be readinga page and click on a link and the computer trys to look up the new page to no avail even pages I have just been to. If whle this is going on I "iwconfig wlan0 essid dd-wrt_vap" then the page suddenly loads. I have done this quite a few times to show that it is reproducible. any suggestions even where to look from here. cant figure why its drop
12:26<epilido>ping. Deb sid dell 800 using latest iwl3945 module....
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12:28<ranix>dpkg, tell me about nvidia one liner
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12:30<cahoot>epilido: dmesg and other logs give no clue?
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12:32<epilido>dmesg shops a multitude of authentication and deauth one gives reason 7
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12:33<cahoot>considered a bug in the router?
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12:34<epilido>I have annother wireless card plugged in to the same laptop diffeent module same router no prob
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12:35<epilido>one other interesting message I dont know what to make of in dmesg iwl3945 :radiofrequency kill switch is on Kill swich must be turned off.....hmmmm
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12:55<ubuntu>la madè
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13:01<bighornram>anyone know why i would be able to connect to yahoo server with pidgin but not able to send or receive messages?
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13:09<tonyd138>anyone know bitchx?
13:09<ranix>bitchx is bad, use irssi
13:09<tonyd138>don't have it
13:09<dpkg>bitchx is, like, a old and unmaintained irc-client build on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX QUITS" Abandoned by its upstream authors, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
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13:10<tonyd138>ok nevermind
13:10<tonyd138>thanks for your help
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13:11<tonyd138>Anyway, I don't have anything other than bitchx
13:11<tonyd138>so i was hopping someone might knwo the conf to change the /who info
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13:16<leo>Does anyone know of a Desktop Sharing add on for Konversation?
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13:19<Acxty>Hi, i have small problem. My computer don't have serial ports and I need them for a gprs modem. I buy a netmos pci serial card that has 1 parallel and 2 serial ports, I have been trying to make it work but it doesn't recognize anything may someone help me with that?
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13:25<FoxM>Hi. I am tyring to use my hda-nvidia (intel) and gets detected by alsaconf, but still no sound comes from it. I tried to do a backport to Etch, but didn't help (could not succesfully install the backport) . I read that the latest snapshot of alsa can help me... how can I install this?
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13:26<po>ciao a tutti
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13:26<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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13:28<foooo>what am I doing wrong: I ftp a file from linux to linux, edit it, everything looks fine, I ftp it back, and suddenly the german umlauts are GONE.
13:28<foooo>help pls!
13:29<Supaplex>scp > ftp
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13:29<Supaplex>did you transfer it in binary mode?
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13:30<fxiny>yeahhh scp > ftp and ftp < 3 :P
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13:36<foooo>Supaplex: no, ASCII !
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13:39<Supaplex>use binary
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13:49<foooo>Supaplex: thx, now the source code is fine on the other side, too
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13:50<foooo>however, I create PDF there and when I transfer the PDF to the other pc in BINARY, the umlauts are gone again
13:51<foooo>It must be something with charset on the source editing + PDF viewing box
13:51<Supaplex>could be
13:52<foooo>because if I enter a german umlaut in this shell
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13:52<foooo>I get crazy signs instead of umlauts
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13:52<dpkg>don't trip man! those square characters are caused by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xorg-common/FAQ.gz, or did you see boxes too?, or <search> for missing fonts
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13:56<_haxi_>anyway to know where do the package come from? (what depot)?
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13:59<Supaplex>apt-cache policy
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14:00<_haxi_>mh, no
14:00<Supaplex>you meant what repo, right?
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14:01<foooo>Supaplex: I don't understand the !squares message. yes, I have squares instead of umlauts, but what does that have to do with oversights in applications? the error occurs in terminal window, pdf and so on
14:01<Supaplex>foooo: <search> for missing fonts
14:01<Supaplex>!tell foooo -about search
14:02<Supaplex>and compare 'env' output between both hosts
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14:04<ranix>I'm upgrading from Etch to Lenny and I seem to be hanging at "Starting hardware abstraction layer: hald"
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14:05<ranix>after a "failed to open connection to system message bus"
14:05<ranix>is it safe to reboot right now?
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14:05<foooo>that must be changed!
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14:05<alekibango>ranix: its safe to reboot if your bootloader is ok.... :D
14:05<alekibango>or you can just kill some process
14:06<ranix>oh it just started moving again
14:06<ranix>thanks foooo, alekibango
14:06<ranix>that was frightening
14:06<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
14:07<ranix>A new kernel was part of this bargain
14:07<alekibango>heh right
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14:08<ranix>nvidia-glx seems to have no installation cantidate in Lenny, is this intentional?
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14:10<lontra>how could i use module assistant to install this ->
14:10<chealer>ranix: see
14:10<Supaplex>ranix: I backported mine from sid to etch a week or so ago
14:12<ranix>chealer: have to wait until I finish the upgrade and get links2
14:12<Supaplex>real men use netcat ;)
14:12<ranix>I'm not digging through CSS
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14:14<foooo>I changed locale with dpkg-reconfigure locales
14:14<foooo>and the sqares are still there
14:15<Supaplex>echo $LANG still old? Did you relogin?
14:15<foooo>the umlauts in pdf still look like crap
14:15<foooo>lang is old, login: BRB
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14:20<lontra>at what temperature should i make sure my fan is going at?
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14:22<WASSUP>I have a problem with my usb devices
14:22<foooo>the umlauts work in shell, but the PDF is still crap
14:22<WASSUP>when I connect them the file system is read only
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14:22<EagleRock>hi everone
14:22<WASSUP>i don't know why
14:23<foooo>hi EagleRock
14:24<WASSUP>any solution?
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14:26<foooo>no. I would be lucky if debian displayed my PDFs correctly
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14:28<cusco>xpdf ?
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14:31<WASSUP>anyone can help with the usb
14:31<foooo>yes, xpdf shows it crappy, too
14:31<WASSUP>Ican't write in the devices
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14:33<chealer>WASSUP: which file system?
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14:33<chealer>WASSUP: ah, nevermind
14:33<cusco>foooo: maybe your pdf doesn't follow standards :P
14:33<WASSUP>I installed gnome-volume-manager
14:33<WASSUP>but this mount for read only
14:33<kirill>Hello everybody
14:33<cusco>WASSUP: why can't you write? whast is the error?
14:33<cusco>WASSUP: can you write as root?
14:33<WASSUP>that is read only
14:33<WASSUP>the same
14:34<foooo>yeah maybe
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14:34<WASSUP>I changed in gconf the vfat opcions
14:34<WASSUP>but the same
14:34<kirill>does anyone know how to setup debian "the gentoo way", by just copying file to hard disk??
14:34<cusco>WASSUP: mount -l
14:34<cusco>WASSUP: what options is that filesystem mounted with
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14:35<WASSUP>/dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type vfat (ro,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=lower,uid=1000
14:36<cusco>WASSUP: unmount it then mount it again as rw - mount /dev/sdb1 -t vfat /mnt -o rw
14:36<cusco>you should check dmesg why is it mounted ro
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14:39<WASSUP>I can 't
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14:39<WASSUP>I tried to translate from spanish
14:40<WASSUP>black device /dev/sdb1 is protected against write, mount as read only
14:41<tvim>WASSUP: some devices have an Hardwareswitch for writeprotection, did you check that ?
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14:42<WASSUP>sorry I forgot
14:44<WASSUP>I have to close session because I killed gnome-volume-manager
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14:46<ranix>WTF I'm having a hell of a time installing nvidia drivers
14:46<ranix>module assistant fails, nvidia-glx is gone, so is nvidia-glx-legacy and all its cousins
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14:46<_haxi_>how to define what window manager I wanna use? kdm gdm etc
14:46<vook>ranix: have you tried downloading the linux package from
14:47<WASSUP>okis now works
14:47<ranix>vook: I'm on a terminal right now
14:47<vook>ranix: you can get it through links
14:47<ranix>I'll see what I can do
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14:48<vook>ranix: if you get it, you'll need kernel headers installed for your kernel. Then, while running the Nvidia install .run package, add --help to it, then extract the whole contents rather than letting the .run file do the installation. (then you can just run nvidia-installer from the extracted directory.)
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14:49<dpkg>well, gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console)
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14:49<chealer>_haxi_: kdm and gdm aren't window managers
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14:51<ranix>vook: thanks. I didn't even think of going to the card manufacturer for drivers. That didn't used to be an option!
14:51<vook>_haxi_: see 'update-alternatives'
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14:51<vook>ranix: it works well (it's not a great option with many card vendors)
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14:53<_haxi_>vook: I remember, there is a file where I can specify gdm or kdm
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14:54<snama>there is a command actually
14:54<snama>or its more like an app
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14:54<_haxi_>yes but modify a file is easier
14:54<_haxi_>I mess with update-alternatives
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14:55<vook>_haxi_: I don't know the "proper way", but you can just go to /etc/rc2.d/ and rename the Sxxgdm or Sxxkdm file to Kxxgdm or Kxxkdm (that will disable one or the other).
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14:56<_haxi_>I've two files, Sxxgdm & Sxxkdm
14:57<vook>_haxi_: which one do you want to use?
14:57<ranix>hey guys, the nvidia driver installer wants me to use GCC 4.1 to install, but I have GCC 4.2. It says set the CC environment variable to be the version of compiler it needs (gcc 4.1). What should I do?
14:57<ranix>I also have gcc-4.1 installed
14:57<chealer>ranix: nvidia-installer is not supporter here
14:58<ranix>sorry for the off-topic, chealer
14:58<vook>ranix: just say "no" I think (whatever allows the install to continue)
14:58<ranix>I'll try, vook
14:58<EldKatt>I'm trying to get sound to work in a wmv video (with wma audio), in amd64 lenny; tried VLC and mplayer. The stuff I can google up seems to suggest that there just aren't any amd64 codecs and that I have to use chroot, but I haven't found a lot information newer than 2006, so I'm checking around before doing something desperate. Any experiences with this stuff?
14:58<vook>_haxi_: then rename Sxxkdm to Kxxkdm.
14:59<ranix>alright vook it worked. Thanks a load
14:59<ranix>thanks to you also chealer
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15:00<snama>who had the kdm gdm problem?
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15:01<vook>snama: it was _haxi_
15:01<snama>is it solved?
15:01<_haxi_>vook: dpkg-reconfigure gdm also works good (better maybe)
15:02<snama>_haxi_: if its not yet solved
15:02<_haxi_>I guess it is
15:02<snama>you just have to edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
15:02<vook>snama: I gave the advice from the README file in /etc/rc2.d (but ya, the dpkg-reconfigure is no doubt the debian way)
15:02<_haxi_>ah! that's what I was looking for, thanks :]
15:02<snama>change the only line there is in the file for /usr/bin/xxx
15:03<snama>gdm or kdm
15:03<_haxi_>yep ;D
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15:17<EldKatt>ok, if anyone has said anything to me just now, I haven't seen it
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15:21<vook>EldKatt: have you installed w32codecs?
15:22<EldKatt>no; I recall looking for it, and not finding it, but googling now doesn't ring a bell, so I'm giving it another try.
15:23<vook>EldKatt: you may need to use a chroot, I'm not sure - I abandoned my amd64 for a 32-bit environment 3 years ago.
15:23<vook>EldKatt: it makes sense that it wouldn't be there though.
15:23<EldKatt>vook, you mean that there would be no amd64 package?
15:24<vook>EldKatt: considering these are 32bit codecs, possibly not.
15:24<vook>EldKatt: unless you have more than 4gb of RAM, that 64-bit processor is going to do virtually nothing for you.
15:25<vook>(I still have one, I just run in a 32-bit environment).
15:25<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>HOLY SHIT
15:25<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>MY BACKLIGHT CAN BE ADJUSTED
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15:25<EldKatt>vook, that's what my previous attempts have seemed to indicate, but I'm giving it another try now. Anyway, yeah. I'm starting to regret my choice of arch here. (not just for the wma issue)
15:26<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Could never be adjusted at all, it's nice to be able to control it now
15:26<vook>EldKatt: no reason to regret, because the AMD64 still rivals intel in 32-bit mode.
15:26<scott_>i need a program to make dvd slide shows with music is there a program linux i have tried qdvdauthor butit dose not work
15:26*vook still would rather have a dual core though...
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15:27<EldKatt>hm, well
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15:28<EldKatt>a stupid question whatever the answer is, but I assume there's no easier way to change to a 32-bit environment than just reinstalling from scratch?
15:28<snama>well i think to reinstall is the easier one
15:28<vook>EldKatt: ya, you'd have to re-install.
15:29<snama>i dont even know if there are other ways
15:29<snama>there sure are
15:29<EldKatt>probably very messy, though
15:29<EldKatt>so yeah
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15:32<snama>anyone knows how to enable SMP
15:32<snama>like running an SMP enabled kernel
15:32<scimmiapazza>i installed ati drivers..but now I see all caracters big..can someone help me?
15:32<scott_>i guess no one knows ha buy
15:32<snama>maybe its the DPI?
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15:41<EagleRock>so could I trouble someone for a bit of install advice?
15:42<Pryon>I think all the psychics are out right now
15:42<EagleRock>just making sure I'm in the right place
15:42<EagleRock>basically, I'm trying to install Testing on this Dell I bought
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15:42<EagleRock>turns out my NIC isn't recognized
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15:43<EagleRock>it's actually a bug (bug #456735)
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15:43<EagleRock>looks like using kerner 2.6.23 will fix the issue
15:43<EagleRock>what would be the best way to get a Debian Testing install done with using the proper kernel?
15:44<EagleRock>I was thinking install Debian Testing, no NIC support, upgrade to the kernel by getting deb via USB stick, and configuring the NIC once on the newer kernel
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15:45<vook>that'd work
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15:45<EagleRock>ok, I was just wondering if I was stupidly missing an easier way
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15:46<chealer>snama: which kernel do you use?
15:46<EagleRock>well, didn't even finish installing Testing yet
15:46<snama>well i actually booted into 2.6.22 now to see if there was any difference
15:47<snama>and there is no difference
15:47<EagleRock>I think the kernel on the netinst is some revision of 2.6.22
15:47<snama>btw i use lenny
15:47<chealer>EagleRock: I think you can just use dailies, which AFAICS use Linux 2.6.24.
15:48<EagleRock>oh ok
15:48<chealer>snama: which Linux image do you use?
15:48<EagleRock>actually, I think the image I was using was testing beta 1
15:48<EagleRock>so you're probably right
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15:49<snama>chealer: 2.6.24-1-486
15:49<chealer>snama: which CPU do you use?
15:49<EagleRock>that's for sid though, right?
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15:49<EagleRock>it's a core2quad, so amd64 architecture
15:49<snama>chealer: AMD 64 X2 4400+
15:50<chealer>snama: use the amd64 flavor
15:51<chealer>EagleRock: it's a sid d-i, but it installs testing
15:51<snama>well i shouldnt i be able to use x86 version and still use 2 cores?
15:51<EagleRock>chealer: oh right, I remember now
15:52<snama>i used other distros that are 32 bits
15:52<snama>and they use both cores
15:53<snama>well the kernel is not SMP enabled
15:53<snama>something like that
15:53<snama>and i dont know how to fix it
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15:54<chealer>snama: yes (the amd64 flavor is also built for i386)
15:54<EagleRock>I think I should be set up, guys, thanks for the advice
15:55<snama>well i dont think the problem lies there
15:55<snama>its the SMP
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15:56<snama>grim fandango
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15:56<snama>well bye
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18:14<ranix>I want to take down my torrent server and put a better processor and video card in it so I can play with libsdl and opengl
18:14<ranix>but my uptime is 137 days and I only have 1.5 months to go until six months
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18:17<polis>non c'e nessuno?
18:18<amphi>ranix: pfft, uptime, who cares these days?
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18:18<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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18:20<ranix>amphi: I've never had six months before because I lived in a slum and someone would blow a fuse dropping a hairdryer in the bathtub once a month
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18:21<amphi>I don't think I've had more than ~100 days, I can't say it worries me
18:22<ranix>it's also a happy symptom of six months of not having to install anything or try to make anything work
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18:29*Xenguy uptime is 24 days (damn kernel updates ;-)
18:31<amphi>2 hours 9 minutes - damn suspend-to-ram ;)
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18:48<zulu>hi there, how to "dynamicaly" change keymap in xorg (us -> fr) for instance
18:48<zulu>there is no loadkeys utility like in console mode?
18:48<themill>zulu: most window managers have a nice gui for that e.g. in kde control centre. Also see xmodmap
18:49<chealer>themill: which X session type do you use?
18:49<chealer>zulu: which X session type do you use?
18:50<chealer>zulu: gdm is a display manager. do you use GNOME?
18:50<zulu>and I run sawfish (nothing else :) no bullshit :)
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18:50<chealer>zulu: you can use setxkbmap
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18:51<zulu>ok perfect I was looking for setxkb,qp
18:51<zulu>setxkbmap lol thx
18:53<oza>i have 2 mail servers running on 2 boxes, both in the same server room, one box can't send mail to some domains?
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19:21<Span>Any free to help me with some Debian AMD64 install issues?
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19:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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19:23<Span>!ask I am having a problem getting gnome/xserver to load. I have an nvidia 8600GT XXX PCi-X card.
19:24<azeem>what about the "I get the following have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output
19:24<Span>What about it
19:24<Span>ask! I am having a problem getting gnome/xserver to load. I have an nvidia 8600GT XXX PCi-X card.
19:24<azeem>Span: if you want help you should cite error messages, or at least describe your problem precisely
19:24<Span>I dont have the error messages memorize
19:24<Span>it happens in linux I am in windows now
19:25<themill>Span: "I have tried the following ___" and the "Error messages are ___" are traditional parts of the asking for help process.
19:25<amphi>Span: come back when you're running linux
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19:25<azeem>Span: then write down the error message and cite it after rebooting to Windows
19:25<Span>the whole point is I cant run linux genius
19:25<themill>Or use a different computer if you can
19:25<Span>thx azeem I will
19:26<themill>Span: you don't need X to run linux
19:26<Span>I want to run x
19:26<Span>can we stop with the non help responses
19:26<themill>Span: [00:25] <Span> the whole point is I cant run linux genius
19:26<azeem>Span: no, you want /help/ to run x
19:26<Span>nm, I will go get the error azeem and thx
19:26<azeem>Span: if you don't run Linux, it's hard to help you as anything we suggest you'd do has a round-trip of two reboots
19:27<amphi>Span: what do you mean, you can't run linux? you can't login at all?
19:27<Span>ok so I cant get into x so how th hell would I come here to get help?
19:27<themill>Span: us helping you is a contract: you are nice to us and provide us with answers, we do our best to help. We can't just do blind guessing
19:27<azeem>amphi: please keep it constructive
19:27<azeem>Span: run a text-mode irc client
19:27<Span>you all are being stupid with yoru responses is the problem. azeem is the only one that even remotely helped
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19:27<Span>I will beback
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19:28*amphi sighs
19:28<azeem>amphi: if you don't want to help, you're not obliged
19:28<themill>Way to go in the asking for help competition.
19:28<oza>blarson: whats teh rDNS
19:28<amphi>azeem: with that attitude, I'm not overly inclined to
19:29<azeem>amphi: "come back when you're running linux" isn't helpful at all
19:30<amphi>azeem: eh? what can he tell us from windows?
19:30<dondelelcaro>amphi: we can at least tell him what he needes to write down so when he comes back the question can be resolved.
19:31<dondelelcaro>or alteratively, how he can talk to us from the console
19:32<azeem>amphi: it obviously tranlated to "come back when you have fixed your problem, haha" to him
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19:32<amphi>azeem: that was not at all what I meant
19:33<azeem>sure, but it /translated/ to him like that, because you didn't think about his POV
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19:33<amphi>so it would seem
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19:38<blarson>oza: reverse DNS. Some sites reject mail with no, incorrect, or generic rDNS.
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19:39<twb>Regarding /etc/network/interfaces' "auto-hotplug" mode; pre-up and post-up lines don't seem to be executed when "hot-plugging", i.e. removing and reinserting the ethernet cable. Are there hotplug-post-up events or something?
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19:44<Span>ok back
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19:46<themill>Span: Hi! Are you able to provide us with some more details such as an error message? (I presume you're running windows again)
19:46<dondelelcaro>twb: they should be executed, but it may be that hotplug isn't actually brining down the interface and bringing it up again
19:46<twb>dondelelcaro: ah, OK
19:46<twb>So my test was bad.
19:46<twb>(I did not unplug the cable slow enough ;-)
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19:48<Span>yep windows
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19:48<Span>!ask I am getting error Fatal Server error: no screens found
19:48<azeem>Span: that's the generic error when something went wrong
19:49<themill>Span: (you can leave off the "!ask" bit.... )
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19:49<Span>well I know why I am getting it just not sure how to fix it
19:49<Span>there was oen error before that on a blue screen
19:49<azeem>which driver are you using?
19:49<Span>let me type it
19:49<LeftTrouser>Cabn debian be installed by using loadlin and does anyone know how to run the net installer from windows ?
19:49<Span>um whatever driver came with debian
19:50<Span>I've tried a few nvida driver downlaod commands I found but none work
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19:50<vmuser>greetings all--I am trying to run the xen convirt utility and it is saying
19:51<vmuser>seems to be a firefox problem anyone know how to fix it
19:51<Span>Azeem the driver version is whatever the stock version that is in Debian AMD64
19:52<azeem>Span: what resolution does you screen have?
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19:53<Span>looks like 1400x900
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19:54<azeem>the installer might not have detected it
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19:54<Span>I dont thin kteh latest debian has the 8600GT drivers
19:54<azeem>or your card is too new and not supported yet
19:54<azeem>in that case, you can try using the generic vesa driver
19:55<azeem>at 1024x768
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19:55<Span>What is the CLI command to do that
19:55<LeftTrouser>azeem : [8~ and good by for A WHILE Se ya!Ty
19:55<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
19:55<azeem>Span: ^^
19:56<azeem>Span: hit enter on all questions except the one for the driver, select vesa there
19:56<LeftTrouser>azeem : [8~ and good by for A WHILE Se ya!Ty
19:56<azeem>LeftTrouser: huh?
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19:58<ahmed>hi all is linuxant drivers freeeeeeeeeeee
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20:00<Span>I will go try it and come back if I fail :/
20:00<Span>thx azeem
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20:00<lucas_amorim>what way, you think, is the best way to install wine on debian lenny?
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20:01<lucas_amorim>I mean, what version, from what repository...
20:01<azeem>lucas_amorim: apt-get install wine
20:01<lucas_amorim>azeem: yes but from what repo?
20:01<azeem>so lenny
20:02<lucas_amorim>the debian official repositories dosen't seem to contain them...
20:02<lucas_amorim>it* (wine)
20:02<azeem>!info wine testing
20:02<dpkg>wine: (Windows API Implementation (standard suite)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.44-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 653 kB, Installed size: 688 kB
20:02<lucas_amorim>!info wine testing
20:02<dpkg>wine: (Windows API Implementation (standard suite)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.44-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 653 kB, Installed size: 688 kB
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20:03<lucas_amorim>so why cant i find it whe I say apt-cache search wine?
20:04<azeem>did you run apt-get update
20:05<lucas_amorim>strange... I will check out some stuff, be back later
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20:38*zarchne is wondering if there is a way to tell mozilla that a page is UTF-8.
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20:39<kurumin>Tu fala portugues?
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20:43<twb>zarchne: view > encoding?
20:44<arguapacha>How 'stable' is lenny? I have a laptop with etch and haven't been able to make the sound work, among other things, which I suppose that lenny can handle better.
20:44<twb>arguapacha: it's probably stable enough that someone capable of routing Unix administration could use it as a desktop (i.e. not server) system
20:45<dondelelcaro>arguapacha: you might be better off with just a new kernel
20:45<zarchne>twb: <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/> maybe.
20:45<twb>zarchne: oh, I thought he meant as a poor, read-only-access user
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20:45*zarchne nods.
20:45<chealer>arguapacha: see for an overview of serious bugs
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20:47<arguapacha>dondelelcaro: Thanks... I already tried... but that was a bit of trouble and I don't have the time...
20:47<zarchne>twb: In particular, I've been saving (caching) "myportal:" in galeon. I've used UTF-8 characters to enhance the readability of the bookmark list, but when galeon (or iceweasel) re-reads the file it assumes latin1.
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20:47<arguapacha>twb: thanks for the info.... I don't use it as server, so maybe it is ok
20:47<arguapacha>chealer: thanks for the link ^_^
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20:48<twb>arguapacha: certainly *I* always use lenny (well, lenny/sid hybrid) on my laptop
20:48<twb>arguapacha: but it's not the right choice for everyone.
20:49<arguapacha>twb: I use it mainly to learn about linux, but also for work (athough I am careful enough not to mess it up badly ;) )
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20:49<zarchne>Content-Type meta tag did it. Beautiful.
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20:55<beoba>hi, i've noticed that my sound card's kernel module has been removed in 2.6.24, can i have it back?
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20:56<beoba>00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01)
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20:57<beoba>terminus:~# ls /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci | grep 46xx
20:57<beoba>terminus:~# ls /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/sound/pci | grep 46xx
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21:07<chealer>beoba: yes, if you compile ALSA modules. I'm not sure it will work though.
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21:07<gsimmons>beoba: See bug #464197 in the BTS. A workaround is to build an 'alsa-modules-*' package using module assistant (eg. "m-a a-i alsa").
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21:09<beoba>oh nice it was taken out for political reasons
21:10<beoba>will i need to redo that every time there's a kernel update?
21:12<chealer>beoba: every time you Linux image's ABI changes
21:12<beoba>i mean, is it performed automatically when, say, 2.6.24-2 comes out
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21:16<beoba>eh, for now ill leave a note for myself
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21:24<chealer>beoba: no
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21:30<warmidia>hello word
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21:43<BarryToeman>how do I know if I can trust a Debian mirror (other than *
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22:08<themusicgod1>fsck just went through and "fixed" a doubly-claimed block or few, and now I have a directory that even root cannot delete, on an ext2 partition. No user can even write to it. How can I get rid of this thing?
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22:09<themusicgod1>my data seems ok, some of it(ie,what used to be in that directory) got moved to lost+found, but it seems to all be intact
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22:10<themusicgod1>rm -rf doesn't cut it
22:10<themusicgod1>gives an "Operation not permitted"
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22:19<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
22:20<themusicgod1>ok maybe not; yaydata corruption
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23:14<jimmy_>I can't seem to click anything when I connect to my debian box through x11vnc. I've tried tightvnc and realvnc viewers. Anyone ever run into this issue?
23:15<jimmy_>dangit, where is mwilson when you need him?
23:15<jimmy_>he knows EVERYTHING
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23:19<amphi>mwilson? that's a name I haven't heard in a while
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23:45<Equinox93>Is there anything in debian to generate mouse clicks? Such as if I want to click on something or move the mouse up and down a certain distance in a window?
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23:46<HellDragon>hmm i used to have some .c source file that could do that
23:46<HellDragon>but I lost it a while ago
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23:46<HellDragon>it was called mousemove.c I think
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23:48<twb>!google hocwp mvmouse
23:49<Gekz>does anyone here speak french well?
23:49<twb>If you just want to generate pointer events, you'd be better off using xte(1) from the XTEST-related package, the name of which escapes me.
23:49<twb>!apt-file search bin/xte
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23:52<Equinox93>Wow that's perfect
23:52<Equinox93>Thank you twb!! :0
23:52<Equinox93>Twb- Why would that be better?
23:52<twb>Because XTEST is the Right Thing
23:53<twb>Incidentally, Ratpoison has a :banish command built-in
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23:53<twb>It's handy to hide the pointer
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23:55<amphi>unclutter is handy for hiding the mouse pointer
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23:59<twb>I don't like unclutter, because it tends to break other things (due to how it operates).
23:59<twb>Both xterm and urxvt can be taught to hide the pointer when typing, which is what I rely on
23:59<twb>URxvt.pointerBlank: true
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