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00:19<amphi>twb: what does unclutter break? I haven't seen such problems here
00:20<twb>amphi: it creates a small window under the pointer, above all other windows
00:20<twb>This breaks stuff that is drawing a lot, e.g. games
00:20<twb>you see lots of flickering
00:21<amphi>twb: ah, that's how it does it
00:22<amphi>I guess I don't use things that cause that effect; was it xte you said provided a different means of hiding the pointer?
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00:25<twb>amphi: xte doesn't hide the pointer, it simluates input events (e.g. clicking, moving the pointer).
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00:26<twb>amphi: xterm and urxvt can hide the pointer when the pointer is over their windows, by (I believe) changing the pointer glyph to a dot.
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00:31<RIVE>Need this wallpaper know wher i can download it?...
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00:33<twb>RIVE: dunno, but has lots
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00:34<RIVE>Let me check, thanks twb.
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00:36<RIVE> doesn't respond :-(
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00:40<JustSoul>I made usb-stick bootable by grub-installation. copy everything from d-i disk. Corrected grub menu. Start installation.. And on base - installation option there is a debootstrap error: "failed to determine the codename for release"
00:41<JustSoul>how to correct it?
00:41<Supaplex>!fix usb-stick
00:41*dpkg takes usb-stick to the vet for a "special" visit.
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00:47<JustSoul>Supaplex: ?
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00:50<Supaplex>that question (mark alone) is far too short to answer.
00:51<JustSoul>Supaplex: eer, far.. short.. can you explain?
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00:52<Celes>Hi guys
00:52<Celes>I have a question
00:52<Celes>and I ask you guys instead of ubuntu server because they are mean folk
00:52<Celes>well I am running steam on wine
00:53<Celes>and I get a blank box
00:53<Celes>and I cannot add my user info
00:53<Celes>do you know how to fix this issue?
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00:54<twb>Celes: Ubuntu have a different wine package to Debian, so if you're using Ubuntu there's no point asking for help about wine here.
00:54<Supaplex>Celes: ubuntu is not a #debian supported product. sorry if they're not helpful with their own product. (we're burned on on supporting spinoffs)
00:54<Supaplex>s/on on/out on/
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00:54<Celes>I am asking in general
00:54<Celes>if you know about the issue
00:54<twb>Imagine if all the dumb OS X users went to #unix...
00:54<Celes>how to fix it
00:55<twb>Celes: try #winehq
00:55<twb>Celes: on freenode, I think
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00:56<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, #winehq is on <freenode>
00:56<Supaplex>good bot
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00:57<chealer>but pointless factoid
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00:57<JustSoul>And what about me?
00:58<twb>JustSoul: what about you?
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00:59<JustSoul>I made usb-stick bootable by grub-installation. copy everything from d-i disk. Corrected grub menu. Start installation.. And on base system installation there is a debootstrap error: "failed to determine the codename for release"
00:59<twb>JustSoul: I still don't know, but try #debian-boot for d-i issues.
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01:03<chealer>JustSoul: are you sure this is supposed to work?
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01:03<JustSoul>Supaplex: i'm already read that. But syslinux-usb-stick doesn't boot on my PCs
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01:06<JustSoul>chealer: i believe in that
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01:07<JustSoul>jm_: hello
01:08<JustSoul>good morning/day/evening, or what You have..
01:09<JustSoul>I have an idea.. one moment
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01:20<jm_>looooooooooooong moment
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01:25<twb>jm_: perhaps he's approaching the speed of light
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01:51<jake_>hi everybody
01:52<jake_>im a new linux user, please help, how can i install beryl?
01:54<dpkg>beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of <Compiz>. or
01:54<jm_>!tell jake_ about compiz
01:54<chealer>jake_: if you don't mind, are you aware that Beryl is obsolete?
01:55<jake_>so whats the new window manager now?
01:56<jake_>how do i get beryl?
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02:00<Supaplex>Compiz is the newer one
02:00<jm_>perhaps by starting to read your screen
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02:03<jake_>but sorry how do i get it?
02:03<jm_>read the wiki
02:04<jake_>ok thanx so much
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02:13<Supaplex>I hope log rotate can move files to date based names. eg, www-access-2008-03-30.log (it'll keep rsync happy) but alas I will look after I sleep.
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02:20<n3ksus>hey, im stuck with my network card driver module, It's for an old lappy (Thinkpad R40e) and the module they say to install dont work, im wondering when i lsmod should the module say it's used by something?
02:22<jm_>n3ksus: use modprobe instead of insmod
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02:22<jm_>Supaplex: it can, option is called "dateext"
02:23<jm_>n3ksus: often it will say it's not used
02:24<jm_>n3ksus: ls /sys/class/net ; ifconfig -a to see if it shows something
02:25<n3ksus>It shows stuff, but the cable aint plugged in it yet, so I guess i'll brb to check?
02:25<jm_>doesn't matter - what does it show?
02:25<n3ksus>Anything specific ur looking for? coz otherwise i'll need to type it all
02:26<jm_>just for the ls command
02:26<n3ksus>eth0 lo sit0
02:27<jm_>ok so looks like it works
02:27<n3ksus>kk well i'll go test it brb
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02:31<n3ksus>didnt work
02:32<jm_>what did you do?
02:33<n3ksus>Opened a web browser after u said "Looks like it works"
02:34<n3ksus>unless i jumped the gun?
02:34<jm_>well you need to configure the interface first
02:35<jm_>depends on your setup
02:38<jm_>describe it, i.e. modem/router/dsl/dhcp
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02:39<n3ksus>we have the modem which goes to a 2port router kinda thing under the house
02:39<jm_>do you also have windows?
02:39<n3ksus>im on it now
02:39<jm_>run ipconfig and see what it says
02:39<n3ksus>on windows?
02:39<jm_>yup, cmd
02:40<n3ksus>in your PM
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02:42<jm_>n3ksus: now run ipconfig /all and see if it mentions DHCP server
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02:43<n3ksus>not that i can see
02:44<jm_>n3ksus: ok go to you rLAN configuration preferences
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02:45<n3ksus>wheres that :p im too noob at network stuff never had to really play with it, It was always auto done
02:45<jm_>you have it in start menu and then config or somesuch
02:45<jm_>or in contorl panel
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02:47<n3ksus>network connections?
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02:48<n3ksus>n u want to know what the connection uses?
02:48<jm_>then tcp/ip and tell me how it's configured on the first tab
02:49<n3ksus>obtain IP automaticly
02:49<n3ksus>obtain dns server automaticly
02:49<jm_>which means ipconfig /all should show DHCP server info, can you run that again? ipconfig /all|find DHCP
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02:50<n3ksus>ahhh yes DHCP enabled.... yes
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02:50<jm_>ok now you need to edit interfaces file on Debian
02:50<n3ksus>okay tell me how :D
02:51<jm_>well with an editor: nano /etc/network/interfaces
02:53<jm_>what's in it now?
02:53<jm_>any entries for eth0?
02:53<n3ksus>loopback network
02:53<n3ksus>auto lo
02:53<n3ksus>iface lo inet loopback
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02:53<n3ksus>primary netowk
02:54<n3ksus>allow-hotplug eth0
02:54<n3ksus>iface eth0 inet dhcp
02:54<n3ksus>auto eth0
02:54<jm_>looks good, run ifup eth0
02:54<n3ksus>"ifup: interface eth0 already configured"
02:55<jm_>n3ksus: ok what does ifconfig say? does eth0 have an IP?
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02:55<n3ksus>the inet addr does under eth0
02:55<jm_>what is it?
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02:56<n3ksus> bcast Mask
02:56<jm_>hmm not good -- run ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0
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02:58<jm_>and then verify with ifconfig again
02:58<n3ksus>DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to port 67 intervals 6,11,16,18,10
02:58<jm_>yeah that's normal
02:58<n3ksus>no dhcpoffers received no working leases persistant database - sleeping
02:59<jm_>do you have ethtool installed?
02:59<jm_>run ethtool eth0
02:59<n3ksus>And what u looking for there?
03:00<jm_>link status
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03:00<jm_>(it's at the end)
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03:00<n3ksus>Link detected: no
03:00<jm_>is cable plugged in?
03:00<n3ksus>hrmmm brb gotta unplug this one
03:01<jm_>you need to run ifdown and ifup again when doing it
03:01<jm_>so ifdown, plugin, ifup
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03:01<n3ksus>then do ethtool eth0 and show u what it says?
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03:02<jm_>just run ifconfig ; ethtool eth0 and see if you get IP this time and link should be yes
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03:06<n3ksus>inet addr bcast Mask
03:06<n3ksus>link detected: yes
03:07<jm_>looks good
03:07<n3ksus>i tried the browser after i done that and it didnt load
03:07<n3ksus>Unless i jumped the gun again
03:07<jm_>you need to enter nameserver9s) in resolv.conf
03:08<n3ksus>what nameservers will they be?
03:08<jm_>does ipconfig /all show them?
03:08<jm_>DNS server
03:09<n3ksus>dns servers?
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03:10<n3ksus>it's the same
03:10<jm_>the same as?
03:10<n3ksus>the one on this comp
03:10<jm_>I don't understand that
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03:11<n3ksus>the one in resolv.conf is the same in the dos ipconfig /all
03:12<jm_>really? ok now run "nslookup" in windows and in Linux
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03:12<jm_>also ping your DNS server
03:12<jm_>or better yet, use "getent hosts" in Linux
03:13<n3ksus>Trying linux when ur ready
03:13<jm_>just do it, no need to wait for me
03:14<jm_>just remember that cable has to be plugged in :D
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03:23<n3ksus>im back
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03:23<n3ksus>getent shown
03:23<jm_>so it works
03:24<n3ksus>when i tried in browser it half loaded
03:24<n3ksus>errr the load bar was half
03:24<n3ksus>and when i try it done nothing
03:25<jm_>try it with lynx
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03:27<n3ksus>downloading it now
03:28<n3ksus>err hang on...
03:28<n3ksus>had to check to make sure i didnt have it :p
03:29<ant->is it a problem if at shtdown my lvm and raid arrays are not closed properly (because root fs (/) is on them)?
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03:30<JustSoul>I made usb-stick bootable by grub-installation. copy everything from d-i disk. Corrected grub menu. Start installation.. And on base system installation there is a debootstrap error: "failed to determine the codename for release"
03:30<ant->I am worried that not shutting down lvm and raid cleanly could cause problems
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03:33<jm_>JustSoul: get the latest debootstrap
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03:35<n3ksus_>nothing and now the getent says the ip to sites are
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03:39<n3ksus_>jm_: you still there?
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03:39<jm_>n3ksus_: yes
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03:40<n3ksus_>linux is driving me crazy :p
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03:41<jm_>n3ksus_: well you need to figure out what's going on with name resolution - things won't work without it
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03:43<n3ksus_>well im going to give it a rest
03:43<n3ksus_>I'll come back tomorrow or something for some more assistance with it
03:43<jm_>but it's rather strange if it works in Windows all the time but not in Linux, on the other hand, you could tell it to use ISP's name server directly
03:44<IchiFish>can someone explain to me why debian elects to install inetd by default, even without even the "standard system" set of packages installed?
03:44<n3ksus_>well i done the net install, and that worked
03:44<n3ksus_>why cant it work now
03:44<n3ksus_>thats what i find strange
03:44<n3ksus_>It done an auto configure
03:44<jm_>networking worked during install?
03:45<n3ksus_>downloaded the files it needed to
03:45<jm_>well first thing to try would be get newer kernel
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03:45<n3ksus_>allready done
03:45<IchiFish>no one?
03:46<jm_>which kernel do you use now?
03:46<n3ksus_>not sure from the top of my head
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03:46<n3ksus_>command to find out?
03:46<jm_>try the bottom :P
03:46<jm_>uname -r
03:47<jm_>that's not newest
03:47<n3ksus_>that dont seem right
03:47<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
03:47<jm_>you can find newer here
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03:49<n3ksus_>hrmmm i gotta go, i'll fix it tomorrow
03:50<chealer>IchiFish: which Debian suite do you use?
03:51<IchiFish>and why inetd, why not xinetd?
03:51<chealer>IchiFish: are you talking about openbsd-inetd?
03:52<IchiFish>chealer: yes, sorry, should have clarified
03:53<chealer>IchiFish: which tasks are installed when openbsd-inetd is installed?
03:54<k-man__>is there some way i can limit the network io of a particular process?
03:54<IchiFish>chealer: when you say tasks do you mean the groups of packages selected during the install process? I'm kind of new to Debian
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03:54<chealer>IchiFish: yes, like you can see in tasksel
03:55<IchiFish>chealer: if I remember correctly I didn't select any tasks; I wanted a minimal system
03:56<chealer>IchiFish: it's not supposed to be installed if no task is installed. report a bug if you verify it gets installed.
03:57<IchiFish>chealer:ok, thanks
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03:57<IchiFish>also, why does xinetd still not provide the virtual package inet-superserver, required for netbase?
03:59<chealer>IchiFish: it does (but not in Etch)
04:00<IchiFish>chealer: so where does it? lenny and sid I presume?
04:00<chealer>IchiFish: yes
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04:01<IchiFish>chealer: if I'm wanting a reasonably stable system yet with reasonably recent packages which am I better off with? sid or lenny?
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04:02<Appz>hello, i got a question: on my windows box i have this program that finds my usb connected phone and when someone calls its displayed on the pc screen and i can call with speakers and mic. , is there any linux app that can do the same?
04:02<chealer>IchiFish: lenny
04:02<Cyorxamp>Lo network-admin seems to generate my resolv.conf, however it doesn't write to it the dns search appends properly, only writes one of them and I have to manually fix it every time my PC loads up... any fix for this?
04:03<IchiFish>Appz: if your usb phone has a linux driver Skype might work with it
04:03<IchiFish>chealer:ok, thanks very much, I'll give lenny a shot and see how far I get =]
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04:04<Appz>IchiFish, but that wouldnt be free , cause skype need to be payed for that kind of serviec...
04:05<IchiFish>Appz:sorry, I misunderstood you, I thought you were talking about a dedicated voip phone
04:05<Appz>IchiFish, nono :)
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04:07<IchiFish>Appz:in fact, have you tried just running the windows app with wine?
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04:07<Appz>IchiFish, no not yet ... but i thought there would be some linux app for it..
04:08<IchiFish>Appz:I've heard it's possible to do that sort of thing with the phone acting as a modem but not as a straight phone
04:09<IchiFish>I wouldn't be surprised if the interface to it was proprietary anyway
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04:10<Appz>IchiFish, well i wanted to make same as i have in my car, when someone calls my music mutes , then i can autopickup or click on my radio to pickup , and speak with speaker and speakers, when call is over my music runs again
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04:14<n3ksus_>jm_ read PM
04:14<jm_>k-man__: yes
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04:51<|2l8|>where is that site to paste line from lspci -n, and see name of the driver ?
04:51<gsimmons>!tell |2l8| -about hcl
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04:51<|2l8|>gsimmons: thanks
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05:02<chealer>roam: heh. lovely OpenBSD devs
05:03<roam>chealer: second time they try to screw us with OpenSSH
05:04<weasel>you haven't been counting.
05:05<roam>weasel: probably :)
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05:12<franklin>What command gives the origin of a given installed package ? (i.e the debian/dists/etch/Release's "Origin" and "Codename" + who signed the Release file)
05:14<franklin>jm_, Thanks, I'll dig the manpage.
05:14<jm_>apt-cache policy
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05:18<scrypt>how can i register my nicknake??
05:18<scrypt>new one marty
05:18<petemc> /msg nickserv help
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05:21<franklin>jm_, "apt policy <pkg>" + sed + "apt policy"... exactly what I wanted. Thanks.
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05:22<mark__>how can i register my nick name and password?
05:22<themill>mark__: you were just given the answer by petemc
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05:23<themill>Does anyone want to explain the openssh bitching to me? From what I can see, the patch has been available for this for almost three years in the fedora cvs and yet they want to blame the DDs for mishandling it.
05:25<drgames>which software is the best for video editing?
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05:26<jm_>drgames: there's an article about that on LWN, I recommend you to read it
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05:28<jm_>google for lwn
05:29<roam>themill: they had to blame someone for their delay
05:29<themill>nice :(
05:30<drgames>395 results on search "Video editing"
05:30<drgames>on lw
05:30<jm_>uhm google for "lwn", first hit
05:30<drgames>i searched on the lwn-website
05:30<jm_>yes should be trivial to find there
05:31<drgames>WHICH HEADLINE?
05:31<themill>drgames: we are not your google....
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05:32<chealer>themill: Red Hat didn't realize the patch fixed a security issue. but it was reported privately, so...they had to blame someone, yeah. and it looks like they don't like Debian :)
05:32<drgames>themill: thx
05:33<themill>chealer: probably because, on the whole, debian like the ideas and concepts of the GPL and they don't. So much of the bollox between the linux and *bsd communities comes down to that.
05:35<chealer>themill: well, maybe, but IMHO Debian just takes too much from their market. they must not like such competition
05:35<themill>now now ;)
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05:38<scrypt>nickserv Register e-mail
05:38<scrypt>try it
05:39<scrypt>Register subliminal
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05:51<scrypt>register password e-mail
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06:25<scrypt>can anyone help meplease??
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06:26<Torsten_W>help? for what?
06:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
06:28<themill>scrypt: if you're wanting nickserv help, i think #oftc is a better place for you to ask
06:28<scrypt>Im a little lost at the moment. how can i make sure im correctly registered?
06:28<scrypt>how do i go to #oftc?
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06:31<scrypt>cheers all for your tips...
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06:50<scrypt>where domi register my nick?
06:50<k-man__>how can i allow the eject button on my dvd drive to eject the drive?
06:50<k-man__>even if a disk is mounted
06:50<Torsten_W>where is your debian related question?
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06:53<latitude>k-man__: you forgot to add that on other 20 neighbour boxes running whatelse exept deb it ejects perfectly :)
06:53<jm_>k-man__: man setcd
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06:55<k-man__>latitude, what?
06:55<k-man__>jm_, thanks
06:56<latitude>k-man__: forget it, just a silly joke of me
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07:04<bcochofel>Hi, I have one dir with some php code files. I've changed some of the files and add some new files/dir
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07:04<bcochofel>How can I do a patch so I can apply to the original dir?
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07:08<latitude>bcochofel: if you have original directory of course you can
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07:08<bcochofel>latitude: ok, how? I've never done this
07:09<latitude>diff -ruN src target
07:09<latitude>src and target are directories
07:10<latitude>src is where original files reside
07:11<latitude>bcochofel: forgot to add " > patch" to the end
07:11<bcochofel>latitude: thank you
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07:11<bcochofel>to apply is just: patch -p0 < patch , right?
07:11<Gekz>I cant wait for a stable lenny :P
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07:21<bcochofel>latitude: ok, if I have add some binary files to the newdir? I'm getting "File to patch: " when I apply "patch -p0 < patchfile"
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07:29<amphi>bcochofel: perhaps you need to look at the patch and adjust -pN accordingly? I guess
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07:34<ia64>hello guys.. i would like to know is there any unicode packages available in debian for me to support chinese character?
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07:39<dpkg>rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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07:55<philipo>has any runned postfix with database verification on recipient ?
07:56<avtobiff>!tell philipo about ask
07:58<philipo>how do i enter my smtp-recipient verification database in my for postfix?
07:59<mhash>philipo, where are recipients stored?
07:59<philipo>in a mysql-database
08:00<philipo>i want the postfix to relay for all emails in the database
08:02<abrotman>did you check the website for docs .. they have quite a bit of stuff
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08:04<ia64>padski, no. i didnt mean i need help in chinese. i just would like to know how i can install chinese or any other unicode character viewing on my machine
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08:06<jm_>try installing xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib
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08:06<mhash>philipo, basically you want to look at 'local_recipient_maps' in postfix docs
08:07<jm_>also xfonts-intl-chinese, and there are plenty of ttf- font packages for chinese
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08:50<ia64>jm_, yeah, it's working. thanks alot..
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08:51<ia64>anyway, may i know if i using etch now, if i using command apt-get upgrade, i upgrade to unstable or still stable??
08:52<petemc>etch will always be etch, if you use "stable" in sources.list it will change from etch to lenny
08:52<Joris>I'm running an etch machine with libapache2-mod-php5. For some reason all the PHP error logs end up in the webserver access log, the indicated PHP error log remains empty - any hints?
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08:53<prathibha>I have some debian partitions in my m/c. I installed windows. I once tried to installed debian. But during partitioning it is not showing any one of my old partitions. It is displaying the whole space as unallocated.
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08:55<ia64>petemc, lenny is unstable right? why i use stable in sources.list will change to lenny?
08:55<franklin>Joris, I guess you defined "error_log = /path/to/my/logfile" in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini ?
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08:56<Joris>franklin: I defined it with php_admin_value, but to a different (non-accesslog) logfile - and those remain empty
08:57<blue_>hello peeps im trying to install debian etch on an old box.and get this isolinux: failed to locate cdrom device
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08:59<prathibha>When I tried gparted it is displaying "Can't have overlapping partitions". How to solve this problem?
08:59<jm_>blue_: try using other boot loaders, i.e. sbm or grub (or even grub-dos)
08:59<ia64>petemc, is that if i define stable in my sources.list, i will always only get stable release if i use apt-get upgrade command?
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09:00<prathibha>The problem is clearly mentioned in this link
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09:00<prathibha>any one around to solve my problem
09:01<blue_>jm_: hello,well i booted with sbm but there was no option for the cdrom drive.
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09:01<jm_>blue_: are you sure it works?
09:01<newyork>are you use 2 OS i,n your pc?
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09:03<blue_>jm_: well i did install debian woody with the cdrom today.
09:04<blue_>jm_: and i didnt use sbm,it just booted up
09:05<jm_>blue_: then you probably have some weird BIOS
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09:06<prathibha>anyone there around to help me
09:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:08<prathibha>Pici, Please go thro this link,
09:08<franklin>Joris, can't find any related problem. you might want to use ini_get in a script to read the actual value...
09:08<prathibha>dpkg, Please go thro this link,
09:09<prathibha>dpkg, did u visit the link. Can u help
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09:09<jm_>prathibha: dpkg is a bot
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09:10<blue_>jm_:i need to see about flashing the biou with the newest version.only tring to find anything that has to do with the motherboard is a pain.i cant even find a manual for it.
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09:12<franklin>prathibha, the primary partition sda2 is contained within the extended partition sda1. This is illegal.
09:13<Gekz>he hacks
09:13<Joris>franklin: phpinfo() displays the error_log value correctly with what I want to use - I was thinking the errors are somehow redirected to accesslog, but it's difficult to find information on that
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09:13<franklin>prathibha, when did you create which partition ?
09:13<prathibha>franklin, few weeks back I installed
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09:14<jm_>blue_: I had a machine like that which didn't boot from CD but sbm worked fine
09:14<prathibha>franklin, from that onwards there is problem with partitions
09:14<Gekz>franklin: sda2 is logical
09:14<Joris>franklin: also, I compared phpinfo() with that of a server where the logs work, the only differences were display_errors, log_errors and track_errors
09:14<Gekz>franklin: sda11 is the second primary partition
09:14<Gekz>I think
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09:15<Gekz>its pretty messed up
09:16<franklin>Joris, just a random idea : is the file writeable by www-data ?
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09:18<Joris>franklin: DOH!!
09:18<prathibha>franklin, any possible way to solve the problem
09:18<franklin>Gekz, partition 1 to 4 are primary partition, or "extended" partition. Partition >=5 (the logical partitions) MUST be contained within the extended partition [Partition sda1 here].
09:18<Joris>franklin: thanks.... now I feel _really_ stupid!
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09:19<franklin>Joris, I find it funny... I remind me I'm doing it sometime.
09:20<Joris>franklin: sad thing is I checked that before... quite possibly logrotate changed them back
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09:20<franklin>prathibha, do you have some data on your linux partitions ?
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09:21<prathibha>prathibha, yes I have important data in linux partition
09:21<franklin>prathibha, 1. make a backup, then..
09:21<prathibha>franklin, ok
09:22<prathibha>franklin, should i make a backup of data in all the partitions
09:23<prathibha>franklin, r u suggesting the deletion of partitions
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09:24<franklin>franklin, used fdisk to delete partition on sda2, then recreate a logical partition at the exact same start and end. your data should still be there (but DO make a backup, you never know).
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09:25<franklin>prathibha, I recommend backup all your data (You would hate me I anything goes wrong, otherwise).
09:26<prathibha>franklin, ok i will do
09:27<bathost>I am using lout to create a pdf file to be viewed with xpdf and am having trouble with linking to a different pdf file. Can anyone help?
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09:42<Zathras>hi. Etch-and-a-half promisses kernel 2.6.24 if I am not mistaken. I think I saw a comment in the channel about installer yesterday that 2.6.24 will also become available for etch soon, but are there any source/header packages for this kernel?
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09:43<Zathras>other question although more kernel related: the tg3 driver (used with a broadcom bmc5722) only connects at 100mbit. Is this normal?
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09:49<franklin>Zathras, I think You have to use Lenny beta1 installer, with suite=etch... But I'm not sure. Try asking on #debian-boot.
09:50<OdyX>Hi. I would like to thank the Debian Developpers with a more symbolic/material way than just saying "thank you for your astonishing job". Is there a place where I could send beer or chocoloate ? :)
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09:54<padski>OdyX, see
09:54<padski>OdyX, and
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09:56<OdyX>padski: Thank you.
09:56<Zathras>franklin, I have already installed Etch with an alternative install CD as suggested on the channel about the installer
09:57<Zathras>it contains 2.6.24 but I cannot find the source of that kernel. I need the source so I can install vmware
09:57<padski>OdyX, couldn't immediately see anything about beer and chocolate :-)
09:57<padski>!kernel source
09:57<dpkg>To install debian kernel source (kernel source with debian patches) run, aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 (in etch).
09:58<OdyX>padski: baaad
09:58<Zathras>padski, yes. Works fine for 2.6.18. But I have 2.6.24. Does 2.6.18 support my NIC. If so I am happy to downgrade
09:58<OdyX>padski: the thing is I have not enough time and not enough money... Chocolate is affordable, symbolic and sympathic.
09:59<franklin>Zathras, you probably have to add the source "etch-proposed-update" manually.
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10:00<Zathras>franklin, I checked through ftp on pool and could not find the any sources above 2.6.18 so I guess APT will also not find any
10:00<franklin>Zathras, check in
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10:03<Zathras>franklin, yes I see. ty
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10:10<jack>any problem?
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10:13<thomasbl>this means: 1 question mark would be ok
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10:13<jack> ı m a expert
10:13<thomasbl>ok, you are my hero!
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10:17<jack>can ı help you
10:18<thomasbl>well, why is there no freedom in the world?
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10:20<thomasbl>uhm, you can't answer? you're no longer my personel hero! :P
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10:20<jack>freedom in tehe ıraq now
10:20<thomasbl>hrhr good joke ;)
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10:20<jack>where are you
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10:21<jack>i dont believe
10:21<thomasbl>see my hostmask ;P
10:22<jack>hmmmm that good idea:)
10:23<jack>When the East German government announced on November 9, 1989, after several weeks of civil unrest, that visits in West Germany and West Berlin would be permitted, crowds of East Germans climbed onto and crossed the wall, joined by West Germans on the other side in a celebratory atmosphere. Over the next few weeks, parts of the wall were chipped away by a euphoric public and by souvenir hunters; industrial equipment was later used to remove almost all of
10:23<jack>the rest of it.
10:23<thomasbl>.oO( nobody else for talking nonsense? )
10:24<thomasbl>u r right
10:24<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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10:24<jack>and you
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10:25<thomasbl>i think there is no freedom in iraq - just a new oil "firm" for the americans...
10:25<jack>berlin; good city
10:26<thomasbl>from where you are?
10:26<jack>but bush was get freedoomm for iraq tahat says
10:26<jack>is bush a lier?
10:26<thomasbl>bush is a jumping jack ;)
10:27<thomasbl>will be time for changing to the democrates
10:27<jack>bush is no expert:)
10:27<jack>ı am turkey
10:27<jack>from turkey
10:28<thomasbl>oh, welcome to the EU :)
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10:28<jack>not yet
10:28<padski>!ops jack is a troll
10:28<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: padski complains about: jack is a troll
10:28-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
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10:31<newyork>ı have a problem
10:31<OdyX>no more oxygen in a spacecraft travelling to moon ?
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10:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:32<newyork>i want to change ubuntus icon height
10:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:32<thomasbl>weasel: what is mode q? i don't find it on the net...
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10:33<@weasel>thomasbl: quiet.
10:34<thomasbl>ah thx ... I just was wondering becaus on unreal +q is the mode for a channel owner
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10:57*Aleric needs 128 random bits.
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11:00<alx>i woould like to know what is the user i have to use for downloading the debian cdimage with free download manager
11:00<Supaplex>what url are you downloading from?
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11:01<Supaplex>downloading netinst works just fine in elinks
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11:02<alx>i already got the netinst but now i wanna a full cdimage
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11:02<Supaplex>the netinst is all you need if you have network access while installing
11:03<petemc>alx: are you asking how to run jigdo
11:03<alx>i am a beginner and some commands i am studing are not present and i have to install them via apt-get therefore i always got a error message and so i decided to get a full cdimage
11:04<alx>i am not using jigdo
11:04<alx>i am using free download manager
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11:05<petemc>no idea what that is, i would suggest concentrating on fixing the error you get when you use apt-get
11:05<petemc>i would imagine you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
11:05<Supaplex>he trying to download a CDROM image
11:06<petemc>yes, but it seems hes doing that to work around an issue with apt-get, which is, to me, an odd way to go about things
11:06<Supaplex>alx: you realise netinst will get the job done, right?
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11:06<Supaplex>alx: are you installing debian? or are you downloading these images for some *other* reason? (please tell us(
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11:07<alx>i am studing
11:07<alx>therefore i facing a error that tell me the dpkg-dev is not found
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11:08<Supaplex>the only difference with the first cd or dvd compare to netinst, is more initial packages. After the install is done, you only need network access ..
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11:08<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
11:08<Supaplex>well if that's the cause, you need to install it first
11:08<Supaplex>!tell alx -about search
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11:10<Supaplex>you'll have to tell us more about what you're doing when dpkg-dev isn't found. did you aptitude install dpkg-dev?
11:10<alx>k. lets me do it again
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11:21<jaydubb>How can I startup metacity in Xnest after running Xnest :2?
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11:23<franklin>jaydubb, Why not just use GDM's flexiserver ? (Menu>Applications>System Tools> New login in a window)
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11:58<xelnaga>hi all, i have a small issue in which i hope kde guys here may be able to help me with
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11:59<themill>!just ask
11:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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12:00<xelnaga>ive just built up a lenny box with netinst, i have the binary nvidia drivers etc in and running fine, and xorg is correctly configured etc. I wanted a slim kde build to run as a desktop, but most of the apps have (somewhat) ugly borders etc. Noticed mostly in writer,
12:01<xelnaga>i bumped up kdebase to kde which gave me the full 3.5, but i still have that horrid look in most of the apps i use on a day to day
12:01<xelnaga>any ideas what i need to do?
12:02<craigevil>did you install
12:02<xelnaga>ill give that a shot
12:03<xelnaga>excellent :D
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12:03<xelnaga>so for iceweasel, im guessing theres a kde package for that too?
12:04<craigevil>there is a gtk-qt-engine that makes iceweasel use the kde theme
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12:05<themill>xelnaga: ymmv with gtk-qt-engine though. I haven't tried it for a few years, but it used to make firefox rather crashy
12:05<craigevil>idk about lenny but in sid its ok
12:06<themill>I haven't tried since sarge, so one would hope such things are sorted by now!
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12:06<xelnaga>thanks for your assistance guys
12:07<themill>np... have fun!
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12:41<OdyX>Hi. Is Alioth down from your part of the world ?
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12:41<OdyX>I can't access to Alioth nor
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12:44<Aleric>Is there an application that I can use to graphically monitor the memory usage of a given application?
12:46<padski>Aleric, just one specific app, or mmore like top ?
12:46<Aleric>Just one specific one
12:47<Aleric>I'm a bit disappointed in linux when it starts swapping... I have yet to see it swap and not become unusable :/
12:47<padski>Aleric, I would use something with rrd and a web page. mrtg or munin or the like.
12:48<padski>Aleric, define unusable ?
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12:48<Aleric>It stops playing music, X stops updating, the mouse disappears ...
12:48<padski>Aleric, desktop performance, interactive performance, etc
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12:49<Aleric>You have to be persistent and spend several minutes JUST to go to the terminal running the application and killing it. Opening a new terminal takes forever
12:49<mihau>could anyone tell me how to check libc6 version?
12:49<Aleric>No - the application that is swapping drops cpu to 0.2%
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12:50<Aleric>Once it starts swapping it seems it wants to read non-stop from disk and only that - and nothing runs anymore at any reasonable speed.
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12:53<padski>Aleric, see memlockd
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12:55<mihau>could anyone tell me how to check libc6 version?
12:55<Aleric>dpkg -l libc6
12:55<dpkg>No packages found matching libc6
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12:56<mihau>i tried dpkg -i 'libc6' and nothing happend
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12:57<mihau>anyway, thanks for help
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12:58<Aleric>What an idiot
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12:58<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>GPGPGPGPG Key Missing!
12:59<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Someone's gotta stop changing these keys all the time
12:59<dpkg>i guess gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or, but apt-get install gnupg
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12:59<Aleric>!no key
12:59<Aleric>!gpg key
12:59<Aleric>!search gpg
13:00*Aleric gives up
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13:00<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>GPG keys are not needed at all
13:01<Aleric>Indeed. And neither are condomns.
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13:01<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>can't reload the list =/
13:01<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>It's stuck at Downloading 23 of 24
13:02<OdyX>Internet lags a lot for me on multiple sites.
13:02<OdyX>(and from multiple machines)...
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13:03<esop>fyi: dpkg -l | grep libc6
13:04<franklin>esop, dpkg -l libc6
13:05<esop>franklin: much nicer ;)
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13:06<franklin>esop, Note it's exact match (or try dpkg -l '*libc6*' )
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13:10<peyman>hi everyone. what is the package required for java_cup.runtime in Debian (Etch)?
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13:14<shivraj>I am using a xorg.orginal file ...
13:14<shivraj>the driver is vesa
13:14<shivraj>I have an ati card
13:14<shivraj>when I switch it to ati .. X doest start
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13:16<franklin>shivraj, please, priode more information (/var/log/Xorg.0.log in )
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13:22<franklin>shivraj, since you restarted Xorg, can you provide the previous log (the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old )
13:22<bob_>can someone point me to a xubuntu room please?
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13:23<franklin>shivraj, ... where you had ati driver configured.
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13:26<bob_>sorry if I'm in the wrong place, could anyone point me to a ubuntu or xubuntu room or network
13:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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13:28<Guest583>you can choose your language, in most cases by typing the end of your domain region. but you can also try "/list" on the server, to get an overview of all possible channels. (list works in most irc clients)
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13:28<shivraj>franklin : its a radeon so I changed it to "radeon"
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13:29<franklin>shivraj, yes.
13:29<shivraj>here's the pastie ...
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13:30<Guest583>war das nicht mal ein .de channel? wasn't it a .de (means german languaged) chat in the past (once in a while)?
13:30<franklin>shivraj, at the bottom of the log "RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found"
13:31<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:31<shivraj>thats lspci
13:32<shivraj>I think my motherboard has an ATI video card as well
13:32<ananth123>where can i get kde4-config ?
13:32<Guest583>has anyone, espacially from germany, interest in buying a fast machine with a big gamebundle besides?
13:33<franklin>shivraj, display adapters seems to exposes to device... try commenting out the BusID line, or set ``BusID "PCI:0:2:0"``
13:34<franklin>shivraj, you don't need to wuit to test... simply pretend to switch to a another user
13:35<Guest583>just one crap in this offer: maybe there is a microcrush on the mainboard! knoppix works, UT III runs fine, yet just tested under winxp. 4G RAM, Athlon 64 X2 6400+, Geforce SilentFX 8600, Enermax Powersupply, ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe and 3 x 120 GB SATA Seagate HDs
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13:39<shivraj>franklin : I dont think the driver supports my video card
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13:39<shivraj>it doesnt support R530 yet .....
13:41<franklin>shivraj, I don't know.
13:41<magus>hello channel!
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13:42<magus>I'm trying to set up a web server, but for some reason it doesn't send data back
13:42<magus>it is behind a router and correct ports are forwarded and open
13:43<magus>i can even ping it correctly, but when I try to load it with browser it just timeouts
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13:44<magus>it might something really trivial, but I'm not sure where to look
13:44<shivraj>is vesa the best driver to use ? I am running it at 16 bpp ... running faster
13:45<shivraj>generic driver ? what abt vga and svga
13:46<magus>also the server works when I access it from lan
13:47<franklin>shivraj, depending on how you feel about non-free drivers, might be an option.
13:47<shivraj>franklin : nahh ..... I tried that ... freezes and causes lots of problems .......
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13:48<franklin>shivraj, I hope there's another ATI user listening that can help you. (I have an Intel card)
13:49<shivraj>I see ... intel has good drivers I hear
13:49<shivraj>well its good for now .. cant complain
13:49<shivraj>especially at 16 bpp
13:50<franklin>shivraj, this should be fine to surf and read email... It would be harder to go gaming ;)
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13:54<shivraj>franklin : I dont play games, its a minor issue really, the ATI driver did look better but it was slow to load and froze
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14:00<gosam[TOP]>I need to create a debian-based liveCD, along with a matching installer on a separate disk. The first part doesn't constitute a problem, but making a matching installer is the rough part.
14:00<gosam[TOP]>Any pointers?
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14:05<franklin>gosam[TOP], try
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14:09<kevin>Hello. I'm currently running Debian Testing, and I have installed b43-fwcutter and gnome-network-manger. I was wondering, how could I get network-manager to recognize my card?
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14:13<franklin>kevin,does "ifconfig -a" shows your card ?
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14:14<franklin>kevin, because NM automatically handles wifi card (except those manually configured in /etc/network/interfaces )
14:15<kevin>franklin: ifconfig shows two interfaces for my card, eth1 and wlan0_rename
14:16<kevin>franklin: No IP is assigned to either.
14:18<franklin>kevin, I don't if it's actually the same problem, but you can try "Interfaces is named "wlan0_rename""
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14:18<Reutan>Scuse me...I'm lacking md5sum due the diverted version conflict in coreutils, even after forcing the install.
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14:21<franklin>Reutan, did you try "aptitude reinstall coreutils"
14:22<Supaplex>E: This variant requires fakechroot environment to be started-- how in the world do I do that?
14:22<Supaplex>this is for debootstrap (already in fakeroot)
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14:24<Supaplex>hummm maybe I can lean on pdo for my makefile automation....
14:25<Reutan>Franklin: I did. same problem
14:25<Reutan>Franklin: actually, wait, I'll try aptitude, tried dpkg, apt-get, and synaptic.
14:26<franklin>Reutan, anything, but with "reinstall" intead of install (syntax may vary).
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14:28<ananth123>can anyone help in setting up a mike to record audio ?
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14:28<Reutan>franklin: yep. -i --force-all in dpkg got it installed. But reinstall worked on neither aptitude nor synaptic.
14:29<franklin>kevin, does it helps ? (I'll have to go)
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14:32<kevin>franklin: I'm sorry for my delayed replay. No, it didn't work.
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14:33<franklin>kevin, It's a little odd to have the interface names eth1 and wlan0_rename... maybe you should try rebooting after removing /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
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14:34<Reutan>Anyone else have suggestions for fixing md5sum in coreutils?
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14:36<Supaplex>Reutan: bts+downgrade+pin is all I can think of
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14:37<Reutan>Supaplex: Umm...once more, with more explanation. X.x
14:37<franklin>Reutan, Did you purged the diverting version of md5 ?
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14:37<Supaplex>bts = ; /msg dpkg downgrade ; /msg dpkg pinning
14:38<Supaplex>and if there needs to be a bug filed, use reportbug
14:38<Reutan>franklin: It's not there. X.x There's no md5sum.textutils, and the md5sum that is there is merely a broken link.
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14:39<Reutan>The same for the man page.
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14:39<franklin>Reutan, what about "dpkg -S /usr/bin/md5sum"
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14:40<Reutan>franklin: local diversion from: /usr/bin/md5sum.textutils
14:40<Reutan>local diversion to: /usr/bin/md5sum
14:40<Reutan>coreutils: /usr/bin/md5sum
14:41<Reutan>franklin: bash: /usr/bin/md5sum.textutils: No such file or directory
14:41<Supaplex>did you remove md5sum? dpkg -l md5sum
14:41<Reutan>Supa: I'll give it a try...but it is a part of coreutils....
14:42<Supaplex>what's this local diversion stuff?
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14:42<Reutan>textutils appears to be a diversion of coreutils within the package.
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14:42<Supaplex>!+info textutils
14:42<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
14:42<dpkg>Package 'textutils' does not exist.
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14:43<Reutan>It's a part of coreutils
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14:43<Reutan>It's a virtual package provided by coreutils.
14:44<franklin>Reutan, coreutils wont replace md5sum as long as it's diverted...
14:44<Reutan>franklin: I've realized that...but how do I fix it?
14:44<franklin>Reutan, man dpkg-divert ;)
14:47<Reutan>franklin, Gah. I knew that the diversion was the problem. I just didn't know how to remove said diversion. Thanks.
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14:47<franklin>Reutan, I didn't know...
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14:47<franklin>Reutan, may be something like "dpkg-divert --local --remove /usr/bin/md5sum"
14:48<Supaplex>fwiw, I didn't know either
14:48<Reutan>franklin, Sorry. I guess I needed to explain it better. it was dpkg-divert --remove /usr/bin/md5sum.textutils
14:49<Reutan>then afterwards dpkg-divert --remove /usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.textutils.1.gz
14:50<franklin>Reutan, I'll have to go now.
14:50<franklin>See you.
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14:50<Reutan>franklin, quite alright. that got it. Later.
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16:00<foooo>hi ppl. I have a file with german umlauts on a debian pc. when I ftp it to my pc, the umlauts are replaced with squares. locales are german. the problem is with ASCII AND BINARY transfer.
16:00<foooo>what can I do!? pls help
16:00<avu>foooo: are you using binary mode to transfer the file?
16:00<foooo>both ascii and binary
16:00<avu>sorry for not reading everything :)
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16:01<avu>foooo: wrong encoding then I guess
16:01<avu>foooo: what encoding do you use on the debian box?
16:01<avu>foooo: (UTF-8 or iso8859-1(5))
16:02<avu>foooo: that would be iso8859-15 then I guess
16:02<avu>try converting the file to UTF-8 before sending
16:02<avu>recode for example
16:02<valdyn>foooo: and the locale on the other pc?
16:03<avu>(recode UTF-8 file.txt)
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16:03<foooo>other: LANG=de_DE@euro
16:04<valdyn>foooo: which text viewer are you using?
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16:04<valdyn>foooo: are the files identical if you transfer back and forth?
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16:06<foooo>yes, ascii transfer is identical
16:07<foooo>binary too
16:07<valdyn>foooo: i didnt really ask about ascii
16:07<valdyn>foooo: ok
16:07<foooo><valdyn> foooo: are the files identical if you transfer back and forth?
16:07<foooo>-> binary and ascii transfer back and forth = identical
16:08<foooo>text viewer: KDevelop
16:08<foooo>OOPS gedit shows it correctly
16:09<valdyn>foooo: right, what does "file file.txt" say?
16:09<valdyn>foooo: kde does not use the locale system
16:09<valdyn>foooo: locale = just one way to localise, theres more unfortunately
16:09<foooo>ok. solved.
16:09<foooo>KDevelop has own encoding settings
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16:10<valdyn>I see
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16:10<foooo>ISO-8859 C program text, with very long lines
16:10<valdyn>Weird, most editors detect by default instead of using a preset
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16:10<valdyn>but this is probably good for C
16:11<foooo>we are good for C, but C is not good for us :)
16:11<foooo>thx for yer help
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16:19<Supaplex>rsync is TEH shizzle
16:20<Supaplex>--link-dest rocks my world :)
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16:22<Supaplex>is there someway to have du return space used w/o duplicating counts on hardlinked files it's already seen?
16:23<Supaplex>hummm I guess -l implies it should work this way anyway... maybe rsync isn't telling me the whole picture
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16:28<peterius>hi, I've got some questions about a fresh debian install, specifically, I usually try to never use pkg management systems but I decided that I may as well since everything is so difficult otherwise: so here's the question, how can I get gcc in my path without screwing up the pkg management system in anyway
16:29<avu>apt-get install gcc?
16:30<peterius>heh, I never considered that it wasn't on the system at all
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16:31<peterius>yeah, okay, wow, so there's gcc-3.4-base but apparently that's not gcc
16:31<dpkg>i heard build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
16:31<avu>as I said, apt-get install gcc.
16:31<avu>or that, yes
16:31<Supaplex>you should try to use packages where possible. not err in avoiding them
16:31<Supaplex>otherwise, LFS is more your distro. :P
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16:32<peterius>I suppose its supposed to be nice to have packages... or something
16:32<peterius>okay, here's an easy one, how do you get gnome to allow you to drag windows between desktops?
16:32<Supaplex>yeah. that's one of the strongest points if it
16:33<dpkg>[xinerama] where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and have it! Documentation is available:
16:33<peterius>no, I'm sorry, I meant virtual desktops
16:33<Supaplex>right click on the title bar, and send to desktop? (I'm using openbox)
16:33<peterius>you can "move to another workspace" but
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16:33<peterius>yeah... I should probably just find another window manager or something
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16:34<Supaplex>what's wrong with it being a workspace?
16:34<peterius>its got the menus and all though, I really... I don't want to screw with all this stuff anymore... I think when I was younger I liked compiling new window managers but...
16:34<peterius>I want to be able to drag the window, not right click and send it
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16:38<peterius>what about setting up apple airport usb connected printer?
16:38<Supaplex>does it have cups?
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16:40<peterius>the printer or the airport?
16:40<Supaplex>the airport
16:40<peterius>I found someting on the net that was supposedly for a similar situation and they said to use the HP InkJet option
16:41<peterius>I don' think the airport has cups, it has port 9101 open
16:41<Supaplex>I have an airport, but no power supply for it
16:41<Supaplex>I have a few. some airports, and one extreme.
16:41*Supaplex should liquidate those
16:41<peterius>it might be an extreme
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16:42<Supaplex>yeah, the classics didn't have a usb port iirc
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16:42<peterius>but I can't print to it at any rate, doesn't respond or anythng
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17:15<jrolland-iMac>How do I change the cron weekly jobs?
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17:16<jrolland-iMac>I don't want it to cycle apache2 every week, I want to do that manually
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17:22<foooo>did you edit the crontab?
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17:23<Gun_Smoke>Is it bad not to have a swap partition?
17:24<Gun_Smoke>Or, how bad is it not to have a swap?
17:24<Gathond>not very
17:24<Gathond>the kernel does not care, so long as there is memory
17:24<Gathond>suspend to disk won't work though
17:24<Gun_Smoke>2 gigs...
17:24<Gathond>as it writes the memory to swap
17:25<Gathond>having some swap might make things slightly faster
17:25<amphi>Gathond: swap is always good, AIUI
17:25<amphi>er, Gun_Smoke
17:25<amphi>Gathond: ETAB
17:25<Gathond>amphi: I agree, but Its not critical
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17:25<Gun_Smoke>I thought I had made a 6.5G partition for swap. I doubt the install "missed" it, so it has to be something I messed up.
17:26<Gathond>since not all the program data in memory is ever used
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17:27<Gun_Smoke>I just got a new laptop, and I've never dual booted.. Always just had a clean debian install.. And the installer was great at that..
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17:28<amphi>Gathond: might be of interest
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17:28<amphi>Gun_Smoke: ^^^
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17:28<Gun_Smoke>amphi: No GUI here..
17:29<Gathond>amphi: I'm pretty sure I've read that one
17:29<Gathond>amphi: and I agree that not having swap is a bad idea .. but it is not THAT bad
17:29<Gathond>things will work(tm)
17:30<Gathond>that said I just allocated 20 GB for swap the other day
17:30<Gathond>since well disk space is cheap and I had 2 TB of it
17:30<Gun_Smoke>The only time I've ever really ran into swap I know of and brought things to a halt was with VMware..
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17:30<amphi>Gun_Smoke: w3m renders that page quite well, BTW ;)
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17:30<Gathond>Gun_Smoke: usually on a machine running for days, you will see some swap usage
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17:31<foooo>I have a program which creates a PDF file. I want to create mechanism to print that pdf automatically, but with certain printer options. I have cups installed. can you give me a first point of reference for that task (automatically print a pdf file with certain printer options)?
17:31<Gathond>Gun_Smoke: which is a good thing, mostly, as the swaped out parts are stuff programs loaded but never used
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17:31<Gun_Smoke>So I have the diskspace... Can I add it after the install?
17:32<amphi>Gun_Smoke: you can use a swap file
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17:32<Gun_Smoke>amphi: I don't understand the question..
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17:33<Gun_Smoke>I suppose I could. I don't know why I couldn't use a swap partition.
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17:33<Gun_Smoke>amphi: ^^
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17:34<Gathond>Gun_Smoke: sure, you can even add/remove it runtime
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17:35<Gathond>man swapon and swapoff
17:35<Gun_Smoke>Will do..
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17:36<zaikxtox>hello. is there a way to create a virtual parallel port device on debian etch?
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17:36<zaikxtox>i mean , a device that i can send data as a parallel one, but does not connect to any real hardware
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17:43<franklin>zaikxtox, I don't know about linux kernel. However, If you run Debian inside qemu, you can access it's parallel port on the host side (I think)
17:43<foooo>how do I print a pdf file from command line - with manipulation of printer options?
17:43<Gathond>foooo: depends
17:44<Gathond>lp $options file.pdf
17:44<Gathond>if cups is in use and configured
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17:46<foooo>well how do I find the options
17:46<foooo>man lpoptions only shows a small subset
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17:56<hypnotic>hit there, I am on lenny and after last nights update from xine kaffeine will not play mkv files (only have mkv files with x264 in it, so cannot determine if the problem is with mkv container or x264 codec), anybody a solution?
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18:02<hypnotic>hmm the update came from security repo
18:03<hypnotic>originals are in standard repo but if i want to downgrade it wants to uninstall all dependencies
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18:07<hypnotic>real annoying thing from synaptic/apt, versions are identical in numbers, only with a security update and amarok, kaffeine have to be uninstalled despite the meeting of dependencies
18:08<hypnotic>is it possible to force version with apt with the disabling of dependencies?
18:10<Gathond>hypnotic: not sure about apt, but I'm pretty sure dpkg can
18:11<Gathond>although unless the dependency folks screwed up ... I will probably not work
18:12<hypnotic>well the situation is, only libxine (and variants of this) were updated 2 days ago
18:12<hypnotic>amarok and kaffeine were not updated
18:12<hypnotic>so they worked with the previous version of libxine1
18:12<hypnotic>difference in version: libxine1 ( to
18:13<hypnotic>so should not be a dependency problem
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18:14<hypnotic>synaptic cant deal with this, looks likes the procedure for force version is first: uninstall package and then install forced package, and therefore dependencies are broken for a split moment
18:15<hypnotic>just want to reinstall to a previous version instead of uninstall->install
18:15<hypnotic>you think dpkg will do this?
18:16<craigevil>if the package is still is your archive it should be simple to do
18:16<hypnotic>or just uninstall the old ones and install the new ones as fast as possible and then start up the applications
18:16<franklin>hypnotic, I've never tested, but what about "dpkg --force-downgrade -i libxine....deb"
18:16<hypnotic>its not, has to be downloaded first from official debian repo (ones i want to get rid of are in security repo)
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18:17<hypnotic>never used dpkg before so wa reading into the manual just now, dont know what the risk are by doing this manually
18:18<hypnotic>doesnt have the old ones any more
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18:19<hypnotic>they are not downloadable anymore from debian packages site
18:19<hypnotic>so have to get them through the official repo
18:19<craigevil>look in
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18:23<hypnotic>cool looking into that now
18:23<hypnotic>can dpkg also just download a package?
18:23<franklin>hypnotic, nop.
18:23<craigevil>use wget
18:24<craigevil>i would download the package you need, remove the new one then reinstall the old one
18:24<craigevil>then hold it if its causing issues
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18:26<craigevil>hypnotic: hold" is set package on hold with 'echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections' :: revert it with 'echo package install|dpkg --set-selections' :: list packages on hold with 'dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
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18:26<franklin>hypnotic, what was your actual problem (I try to reproduce the bug with totem-xine and a .mkv file, but totem freezes).
18:26<hypnotic>kaffeine crashes with mkv files, so seems to be the same thing
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18:28<craigevil>you could always wait a couple of days, Installed: is the version of libxine1 in sid atm, it seems to work just fine
18:29<hypnotic>hmm thats an idea as well
18:29<hypnotic>could just install the sid packages
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18:29<hypnotic>is that recommendable?
18:30<hypnotic>doesnt take away that synaptics downgrade proces is annoying ;)
18:31<dondelelcaro>we in general don't recommend using packages from unstable unless you know precisely what you're doing
18:32<hypnotic>well not exactly precisely but pretty much precisely
18:33<hypnotic>used sid packages before, never a problem, but i dont like mixed systems through apt/synaptic
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18:34<hypnotic>green color in version in debian packages means ready to go to testing right?
18:35<hypnotic>they have to wait untill all packages are ready and then migrate simultaneous to lenny/testing
18:35<hypnotic>i mean all arches
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18:37<hypnotic>how much work is it to setup your own repo where you can drop packages in a folder?
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18:40<Supaplex>hypnotic: I made this for my own set of repos for various backports I rolled myself.
18:42<hypnotic>cool, how do i use this :p and what should I change to my specifics?
18:43<hypnotic>should change DIST and DEB_SRC probably
18:43<hypnotic>o no much more
18:43<Supaplex>feel free to re-hack the makefile
18:43<hypnotic>first makefile I see ;)
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18:43<hypnotic>has to be a first time for everything
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18:45<hypnotic>no idea where to start
18:45<hypnotic>think i have to read some howtos and man's first
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18:46<Supaplex>try the reprepro package+man page first
18:47<Supaplex>try make -n to get an idea of what the script would do
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18:51<hypnotic>all debs have to be added manually by a cmd like this:
18:51<hypnotic>reprepro -Vb . includedeb pcpool /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.2.5-11.8_i386.deb
18:55<franklin>I've submitted a bug to libxine1 about your MKV problem (I can reproduce it on gxine).
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18:58<hypnotic>cool thanx, almost forgot the bugreport
18:59<hypnotic>is there a way to setup a local drag and drop repo?
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19:00<hypnotic>maybe its nice for developers to have all those maintenance functions, but not very useful for me
19:00<hypnotic>to me
19:00<hypnotic>then its just as easy to install the downloaded packages bij kpackage
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19:02<hypnotic>would be nice if you download package, save in specific folder, startup synaptic, reload, update and go!
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19:09<lupine_85>hypnotic: very easy to do.
19:09<hypnotic>sid version also crashes kaffeine with mkv :s
19:09<hypnotic>o yes? cool
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19:09<lupine_85>personally, i'd just use falcon to do it
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19:10<lupine_85>but dpkg has built-in repo powers
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19:10<lupine_85>(to produces Packages files)
19:10<hypnotic>from source?
19:11<lupine_85>from .deb packages
19:11<bebin>how to configure the fire wall for bittorrent and azuerus it down load is so slow how to speed it
19:11<lupine_85>if you want something that builds .dsc files and adds them to a repo, there is... umm, i forget the name
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19:14<hypnotic>why do you have to convert the debs?
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19:15<hypnotic>and any idea on why libxine from sid still crashes with mkv in kaffeine?
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19:16<bebin>how to configure the firewall for bittorrent and azuerus it down load is so slow how to speed it
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19:16<Supaplex>!tell bebin -about port forward
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19:17<Supaplex>hypnotic: can you get a backtrace?
19:17<hypnotic>a pretty large one yes
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19:19<Supaplex>anything like it in bts?
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19:21<Supaplex>the memory corruption is telling. looks like a bug. smells like a bug. walks like a bug. maybe ... it's a bug? does it do this on all files? on a new user?
19:21<bebin>Supaplex: i dont know anything about the ports and network stuff what is port forward
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19:22<hypnotic>avis work perfectly, other user i have to try
19:22<Supaplex>bebin: your firewall needs to send the bittorrent ports (or whatever the program is listening on) back to your system
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19:24<bebin>Supaplex: i did what you sad now it on green sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 will this cause any security problem
19:24<hypnotic>also crashes with another user
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19:25<Supaplex>hypnotic: reportbug time :)
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19:28<Supaplex>bebin: depends on how paranoid you are. check out an iptables-howto and read up on the FORWARD table
19:28<Supaplex>well, -t nat -L FORWARD is the nat table, and FORWARD chain actually.
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19:29<serge>hi! how to install and configure the driver for my onboard video ATI Radeon X1200 in order to support resolution 1440x900 . I took at ATI site, have it installed, but X can't load it: Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ . How to resolve it? Thank you.
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19:31<bebin>Supaplex: what is dht firewall
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19:31<cwood>serge: things to check... does the file exist? Is it readable? Are you configured to use that in the Driver section?
19:31<hypnotic>i am trying to downgrade libxine with dpkg but cannot find a proper command
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19:32<cwood>Does your x server work in its previous configuration?
19:32<cwood>hypnotic: just install an earlier libxine deb. (And watch for dependency problems.)
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19:34<dpalacio>hypnotic: apt-get install libxine1 -t Distribution(stable|testing|unstable)
19:34<Supaplex>!tell hypnotic -about downgrade
19:35<hypnotic>i am trying to, snapshot doesnt have them as well as debian packages, they are available on the repo, but dont know how to install from specific repos with dpkg
19:35<serge>cwood: all the files and permission are OK, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is properly configured, now I put back vesa driver and X working OK. I can't have proper optimal resolution for my wide LCD, and I have all the fonts and shapes are looking ugly.
19:35<hypnotic>aha thats cool to
19:35<hypnotic>doesnt apt give the same hassle with dependencies as synaptic?
19:36<cwood>serge: is your video display set to 1440x900 in xorg.conf in the Screen section, under Modes?
19:36<hypnotic>i need to tell apt that it shoud install libxine1 from the official testing repo (and not the security repo)
19:36<serge>cwood: yes. I'm quite experienced with xorg.conf tuning...
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19:37<bebin>Supaplex: what is dht is firewalled distributed database's udp port maping problem
19:37<hypnotic>so its within the same distribution
19:38<hypnotic>--force-things | --no-force-things | --refuse-things
19:38<hypnotic>downgrade(*): Install a package, even if newer version of it is already installed.
19:38<hypnotic>could only find this for dpkg
19:38<cwood>serge: I found that things were a bit off in my 1680x1050 lcd in xfce. Oddly, I found that setting my display resolution here made things line up perfectly with my screen -- virtual and real borders the same. I'm not certain why.
19:39<cwood>serge: Here's a thought... do you need a specific version of kernel and module for your downloaded ATI driver?
19:39<bebin>what is dht is firewalled distributed database's udp port maping problem
19:39<cwood><--- not really so good at xorg.conf
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19:41<serge>cwood: it looks like the problem is in proprietary . Are there any ways to owercome it? The ATI says that all you need to install their package is to have installed kernel-headers, and kernel 2.4 or 2.6 .. The installation was OK.
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19:41<Supaplex>bebin: I don't know what dht is
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19:42<cwood>serge: where's the error coming from? /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
19:42<serge>well, let me try some more googling ...
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19:42<cwood>serge: Maybe look at the error log, see what else it's doing before it fails to load that.
19:42<serge>cwood: wait, let me see...
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19:42<bebin>Supaplex: ok
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19:43<serge>cwood: yes, it's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:43<cwood>serge: Is that the only failure, that it suddenly fails to load it? Are there any other pertinent lines, then?
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19:44<cwood>serge: or if you paste the log somewhere I can go look, if you need a spare pair of eyes.
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19:45<serge>cwood: one more err line: Failed to load module "fglrx" (loader failed, 7)
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19:45<serge>cwood: thanks a lot. Let me try again and give you complete log.
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19:46<serge>cwood: I need to close X... , but I'll be back soon ;)
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19:46<cwood>I will lurk.
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19:54<cwood>serge: any better?
19:54<serge>cwood: it seems finally I got something interesting... wait pls
19:55<serge>cwood: look at it : dlopen: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
19:56<cwood>hey hey, we have error message
19:56<serge>It looks it compiled against old libstdc ?
19:57<serge>this line is from Xorg.0.log
19:57<cwood>On my Sid system: /usr/lib/ ->
19:57<serge>cwood: let me check mine ...
19:57<cwood>Do you have the libstdc++5 package installed?
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19:59<serge>cwood: mine is --> ... Never. The only way to get the driver somewhere in source and recompile it?..
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19:59<serge>cwood: mine is --> ... Newer. The only way to get the driver somewhere in source and recompile it?..
19:59<cwood>No, you can apt-get install libstdc++5 I think
19:59<serge>hmm. let me see
20:00<cwood>It's in Sid.
20:00<cwood>Never underestimate the ability of Debian to have everything. ;)
20:02<cwood>Incidentally, you can search via dpkg to see what package a file belongs to: dpkg -S /usr/lib/; dpkg -S /usr/lib/
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20:02<serge>cwood: :) It's true. ...Well, I'm ready to try it again...
20:02<serge>I installed libstdc++5
20:02<cwood>Come back with your new resolution, if it works. :p
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20:02<serge>cwood: ok. :)
20:03<cwood>So hopefully now it'll work, since it has the right library.
20:03<cwood>If not, maybe it'll provide a better form of error message.
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20:06<serge>cwood: it works! Thank you for your help!
20:06<cwood>Nifty. Quite welcome.
20:06<serge>Debian is really the best Linux :)
20:07<ranix>that's something you don't really say out loud
20:07<cwood>(Especially not next to the Ubuntu people.)
20:08<ranix>even if everybody kind of knows it
20:08<cwood>Interestingly, these many years ago I started running Sid so I could learn stuff. I may just have learned stuff.
20:09<ranix>I have never had an interest in sid
20:09<serge>well guys, I have to add: "for me" ;)
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20:09<esop>wait til they come up with KnUbuntuix
20:10<ranix>I still feel like I don't know enough to handle it
20:10<cwood>Sid is great for learning all the ways things can break.
20:10<ranix>I think I see enough of that already
20:10<cwood>That said, I found it doesn't really break as often as I thought it would.
20:10<ranix>What's that you say? New virus definitions crash clamav in etch? Awesome!
20:12<ranix>plus all the strange things I do to myself
20:12<cwood>Those are the most educational ones of all.
20:12<ranix>my little test python script putting a gig of arcane line draw characters in /var/
20:13<ranix>that might have been perl actually
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20:14<cwood>line noise sounds like perl, yeah
20:14*rrm is gone, autoaway/10m (l!on)
20:15<ranix>I was parsing korean text files
20:15<ranix>good old perl. What other language is tailor made for sorting misspelled, case-insensitive Korean
20:15<cwood>nifty. Never done that.
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20:16<cwood>Well, wow.
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20:17<hypnotic>cwood and supaplex: thanx for your help, back to old version of xine and everthing is working, good night
20:17<cwood>quite welcome, enjoy.
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20:21<ranix>someone seriously has to fix apt upgrading Grub or the kernel wiping out your /boot/grub/menu.lst
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20:21<ranix>I'm filing a bug report on that
20:21<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
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20:21<cwood>You can always download packages to see what's in the queue before upgrading, and back up any conf files. I've never had anything wiped out.
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20:22<ranix>me neither until kernel upgrades overwriting /boot/grub/menu.lst
20:22<ranix>it does not query the user for whether or not to overwrite
20:23<Supaplex>I agree it can use some work. keep a spare copy in the meantime
20:23<ranix>yeah, I forgot :(
20:24<cwood>Try unaliasing rm -i if you have that... you get in the habit of paying attention.
20:24<cwood>and teaches you about backups.
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20:25<ranix>do you guys remember the fbcon=rotate:foo for 90 degrees CW
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20:25<ranix>nevermind found it
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20:27<Supaplex>that sounds cool. he quit too fast. :p
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20:35<ali3n51>please help to view the webcam of ym user
20:35<cwood>ali3n51: what's the problem?
20:35<ali3n51>i can't view the webcam of ym
20:36<ali3n51>d u think kopete is compatible to ym
20:36<cwood>Yahoo webcam?
20:36<ali3n51>i can't view the webcam of YM
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20:36<cwood> <--- I've only gotten Yahoo webcam working in gaim-vv, but the project is dead.
20:36<ali3n51>i am using kopete
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20:38<cwood>I've never used kopete, sorry.
20:39<ranix>did you know that the nvidia proprietary driver installer detects framebuffer rotation and configures xorg.conf automatically using that rotation?
20:39<ranix>I do say I shat bricks
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20:40<Supaplex>how did you do framebuffer rotation in the first place? and why? :)
20:40<cwood>I have never rotated my framebuffer.
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20:41<ranix>Supaplex: I have an LCD monitor that I got from work that was broken
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20:41<ranix>Supaplex: the case was shattered so I took the screen out and duct taped it, it sits on its side vertically propped up against a motherboard box
20:42<ranix>Supaplex: vertical orientation is superior for IRC and instant messenging
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20:43<Supaplex>hehe cool
20:43<Supaplex>no hot glue?
20:43<Supaplex>so, what about the rotation?
20:43<ranix>nah not my style :P
20:43<ranix>vga and fbcon kernel options
20:43<ali3n51>what messenger compatible yo ym enabled to activate the webcam view of ym
20:44<ranix>fbcon=rotation:1 for 90 degrees counter clockwise
20:44<ranix>it's super effective
20:44<cwood>ali3n51: I don't know, maybe try Google?
20:44<ranix>It was actually an elo touch monitor but the touchscreen was shattered :(
20:45<ranix>it was a sad day for mankind
20:45<Supaplex>awww those are fragile
20:45<ranix>so far we've only had two of those in the past year
20:45<ranix>so far so good
20:45<Supaplex>I had a touch screen desk phone die the same way, but it took the lcd with it
20:45<Supaplex>no touchy!
20:46<ranix>these things are practically invincible
20:46<ranix>I guess you get what you pay for
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20:51*Supaplex enjoys the remaing half of a carls jr $6 burger and adds some famous daves devils spit bbq sauce for some kick. mmmmhmmmmhmmhmm
20:53<ranix>I got spaghetti on the stove
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20:53<ranix>with a block of parmesan cheese to shred
20:53<ranix>it's going to be great
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20:56<Supaplex>no part II? man...
20:56<Supaplex>well that hamburger was the yummy. I can has cheeseburger. HAH
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21:06<peyman>hi everyone. what is the package required for java_cup.runtime in Debian (Etch)?
21:08<cwood>try and search on a file name?
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21:09<peyman>i tried the apt-file, nothing, but not the debian website
21:09<peyman>let me try
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21:09<bebin>dht is firewalled distributed database's udp port maping problem in azuerus how to fix it
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21:10<peyman>nothing :(
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21:11<cwood>bebin: figure out which port it uses, and un-firewall that port.
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21:11<cwood>Use netstat to find the port, and your iptables rules to unfirewall it.
21:12<peyman>let me rephrase the question, to work with JFlex (Java Lex) what packages do you guys install. besides the Java SE itself and JFlex.
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21:13<bebin>cwood: can you please say how to do it
21:14<cwood>bebin: For the netstat part, read 'man 8 netstat'. For iptables, you can start with an iptables howto. I'm not sure about your specific setup.
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21:19<chealer>peyman: cup
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21:22<bebin>cwood: can you say how to configure iptables for azureus
21:23<peyman>chealer: i already installed it. still get error
21:24<cwood>bebin: something along the lines of iptables -a INPUT -i eth0 -p udp -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -m multiport --dports <your udp port list here> -j ACCEPT
21:24<cwood>But I don't know about your specific setup, right?
21:24<peyman>chealer: i do have /usr/share/java/cup-0.10k.jar but when i import java_cup.runtime, javac says that it can't find it.
21:27<chealer>peyman: ah. I don't know how Java development files are distributed in Debian.
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21:34<bebin>cwood: how to find the udp port
21:35<cwood>bebin: you use netstat. You can read the man page to find out how to use it.
21:35<bebin>cwood: ok
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22:09<ranix>I found a bug in dpkg
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22:11<ranix>dpkg, tell me about tell me about tell me about tell me about tel is stop flooding me
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22:11<ranix>hm that didn't work
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22:11<ranix>I'm open to suggestions as to how to fix that
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22:17<Supaplex>ranix: bug in boredom. WONTFIX.
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22:21<ranix>Supaplex: ?
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22:25<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: hey :)
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22:39<ryan_>not sure if anybody can assist, I have a debian server colocated right now, one interface (eth0) with a virtual interface eth0:1; every couple of hours (haven't been able to tell if it's after a certain period of time), it seems eth0 goes offline and the box can't communicate with the outside world, yet I can connect via ssh to the virtual interface but again it's VERY slow as the box can't reach the outside world, I have to issue "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" and the
22:39<ryan_>anybody have any ideas what I should look for, or check ?
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22:40<ranix>is your /etc/network/interfaces sane?
22:40<ryan_>ya everything is set up correctly on it
22:40<ryan_>to my knowledge anyway
22:41<ryan_>actually; now that I look at it again, looks like the colo provider deleted the "network" entry
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22:42<ryan_>long shot, think that might affect it? seems like it would affect it all the time if that were the case
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22:42<ranix>hm, I couldn't say
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22:44<ryan_>eh what's it gonna hurt to try
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22:50<kurumin>what is your name
22:51<kurumin>how are you guest
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23:01<mike_>Does anybody here know how to use GNU Objective-C++ on Debian?
23:01<mike_>I tried apt-get install gobjc++-4.1, and it installed, but there doesn't seem to be any kind of gobjc symlink in my path.
23:01<cwood>Perhaps there's a compiler in the Gnu Compiler Collection?
23:02<cwood>try dpkg -L gobjc++-4.1 ... see what files it installed
23:02<mike_>A useful switch, thank you!
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23:03<phreck>WHo knows about emerald in here? Im having an issue switching between themes. Emerald them manager does nothing when i click on a theme, i always have to restart X for the theme to take effect
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23:06<mike_>cwood, I found a promising file, /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/cc1objplus
23:06<cwood>mike_: I have no idea, try compiling hello world and see? ;)
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23:18<Kornne>Hi guys
23:18<Kornne>Is there any support chan ?
23:20<amphi>this is a debian support channel
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23:26<Kornne>Can I ask here ? =/
23:26<Kornne>I have a technical matter, i'd like to install my ATI X800 Radeon drivers, but how to do that ?
23:27<amphi>that card is supported by the xorg ati driver AFAIK
23:27<amphi>no need for fglrx
23:27<Kornne>how can I install it ? I'm a fresh beginner on unix
23:28<amphi>is X installed?
23:28<amphi>but it doesn't work?
23:28<Kornne>I use Fluxbox as a window manager
23:28<Kornne>It works
23:29<amphi>so, what's the problem?
23:29<Kornne>But I'd like to use another resolution, and everything graphical "lags"
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23:29<Kornne>It seems not to be installed ...
23:29<amphi>Kornne: you could pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
23:30<Kornne>I'm really bad .. How can I do that ?
23:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:33<amphi>Kornne: is that an agp card, or pci-e?
23:36<amphi>heh, no wonder, it's using the vesa driver; edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "vesa" to "ati"
23:36<Kornne>Okay :)
23:36<amphi>or, do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose 'ati'
23:36<amphi>that's probably better
23:36<mike_>Ooh, ooh, I have an X question! :-)
23:37<mike_>amphi, do you know what I could look at in xorg.conf to see why vtys 1-6 show a blank screen?
23:38<mike_>But lspci doesn't say anything about nvidia. Still nvidia?
23:38<Kornne>Okay, I should reload X now I think
23:38<amphi>mike_: I don't know what video card you have
23:38<amphi>Kornne: yes - if it doesn't work, you can switch back to vesa and come back
23:38<Kornne>See you
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23:39<amphi>good luck ;)
23:39<mike_>Amphi, it says 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
23:39<mike_>(and it's a Dell Latitude D830)
23:39<dpkg>laptop is probably All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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23:39<amphi>perhaps you can find relevant model-specific info at one of those two sites
23:39<Kornne>No, it doesn't work
23:40<Kornne>Fatal server error .. No screen found
23:40<mike_>Perhaps so :-)
23:41<amphi>mike_: I have an intel 965 here, and I've not seen this problem
23:41<amphi>Kornne: you could pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
23:41<Kornne>How ? I'm logued on the tty
23:42<vook>mike_: you could disable your desktop manager temporarily and boot to console to perhaps better diagnose the problem.
23:43<amphi>Kornne: you could install w3m (text mode browser); in that, hitting enter on a multiline edit field will spawn your editor, you can read in the file, save & exit, you'll be back in the browser, and can submit
23:43<Kornne>Okay, i'll try ...
23:44<amphi>Kornne: or revert your xorg.conf, and do it from X (but you'll want to make a copy of the log first)
23:45<mike_>vook: by booting to runlevel 3? Or by disabling gdm somehow?
23:45<vook>mike_: you can disable gdm by renaming /etc/S20gdm to /etc/K20gdm (or whatever it is).
23:46<mike_>vook: so, I take it that is what you meant by suggesting disabling the desktop manager, right?
23:46<vook>mike_: then reboot and you'll be at console, you can work on this more trying xinit or startx.
23:46<vook>mike_: ya, just rename it back when you are finished.
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23:47<mike_>vook: oh, okay, so I could also just hit 'e' in grub and edit the kernel command line, eh?
23:47<vook>(or always boot to console and just use startx :)
23:47<mike_>Heh heh, that used to be my Modus Operandi.
23:47<vook>mike_: no, that wouldn't do anything.
23:47<mike_>I've tried that here.
23:47<mike_>But it doesn't work.
23:47<vook>mike_: grub doesn't know anything about X
23:48<vook>oh, you mean single user, nah
23:48<vook>may as well just disable gdm
23:48<mike_>vook: right.
23:48<mike_>vook: I've done the single user route and used X, startx, etc, and gotten the same results.
23:48<mike_>once I load X, vts 1-6 turn blank :-)
23:49<vook>mike_: erg, I've seen that before.
23:49<vook>what is your X resolution?
23:49<mike_>I saw it with an HP nc6220 running Ubuntu as well. I just thought Ubuntu didn't support VTs :-D
23:50<mike_>xrandr says I'm at 1600x1200
23:50<mike_>When I use xrandr on this machine to change resolution (i.e., to 1280x1024), X hangs
23:50<vook>mike_: are you passing vga= at boot?
23:50<mike_>Don't think so...
23:50<mike_>Let me check.
23:51<Kornne>One sec', i'm going on X
23:51<mike_>What is a normal vga= parameter?
23:51<vook>mike_: maybe try to add vga=795 to the kernel line in grub. That'll set your console to 1280x1024
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23:51<vook>795=1280x1024, 791 1024x768x15, there are many.
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23:52<amphi>vesa? ;)
23:52<Kornne>Yup =s
23:52<Kornne>Can you give me once again the link to the pastebin?
23:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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23:54<vook>mike_: it may be that the resolution of the console is so far off of the resolution of X that it just doesn't pass back and forth well. I think that's what I experienced in the past. Try to find the code that sets your console display to equal that of your X display. Xrandr may not be helping either.
23:55<mike_>Thanks for the suggestions.
23:55<mike_>I just looked up those vga= values while you were reciting them to me (I guess I shoulda just asked)
23:55<mike_>I'm going to go give it a shot :-)
23:55<Kornne>Thanks :)
23:55<vook>mike_: there are many I don't know the one for 1600x1200, good luck.
23:56<mike_>Heh, thanks.
23:56<mike_>Oh yea, they're like 798, 797, 796.
23:56<mike_>I found some info about similar stuff here:
23:57<mike_>vook: if you're not here when/if I return, thanks for the suggestions.
23:57<mike_>amphi: you, too.
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23:57<vook>mike_: if you get some error passing 798 for example, reboot and try 796. you can't say 796 after it has freaked out about 798...
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