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00:02<Supaplex>rsync --link-dest= + cp -al ftw :)
00:03<frederico>cwood, an argentinian guy from #bash discovered the solution. It's a bit more complicated, cause it uses a temp file. Very smart code! See it:
00:03<Xenguy>k-man: rsync is good if you don't need incremental backups, and if you want bi-directional (instead of just uni-direction) mirroring, then 'unison' is quite good
00:04<cwood>frederico: aha, nifty
00:08<Supaplex>rsync handles incrementals just fine if you follow my previous advice
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00:19<Xenguy>whatever floats your boat :-)
00:20<Supaplex>usually water ;)
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00:23*Xenguy hands Supaplex the mantra TIMTOWTDI...
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00:32<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How do I unignore people in X-Chat?
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00:52<wiredgecko>hi der
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01:26<vook>I wonder why sussudio stopped keeping stats on OFTC resumed stats on freenode...
01:26<vook>*OFTC / OFTC and/
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01:54<twb>Why is busybox frozen? (
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01:58<twb>I don't understand what "These udebs could be handled by britney if it supported them:" means.
01:59<chealer>twb: do you know britney?
02:00<twb>All I know about it is that it has something to do with unstable -> testing migration
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02:06<chealer>twb: britney is the program that does it. she's can't support small beds.
02:06<chealer>I mean, it doesn't support udebs.
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02:06<chealer>twb: so all udeb-generating packages are frozen
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02:46<Supaplex>is there anyway to screendump(1) a pty?
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03:11<Supaplex>!eat mysupper
03:11*dpkg eats mysupper, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP*
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03:17<dpkg>His name was Xenu, he used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits was placed in the implants. the Arch enemy of Scientology, or (cool site! aka Operation Clambake)
03:17<cwood>That's my favourite.
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03:20<mysupper>dpkg ...
03:20<dpkg>... is, like,
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03:23<mysupper>let me try...
03:23<mysupper>!eat Supaplex
03:23*dpkg eats Supaplex, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP*
03:23<cwood>You need the space.
03:23<cwood>and the invocation to dpkg.
03:23<mysupper>Got it.
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03:38<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable:, prepatch: 2.6.25-rc8, snapshot: 2.6.25-rc8-git4, 2.4:, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-rc8-mm1
03:38<mysupper>guess everyone is sleeping now..
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03:54<Supaplex>you'd think
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04:09<omax>ciao a tutti
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04:40<NoOne>Hi all. Iam trying to setup logrotate to rotate logs to other physical device, but logrotate in debian catn do it. I found rottlog (, which can, but it isnt in official debian repository.
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04:51<xukun>I finally got the fonts rendering right in ubuntu. My fonts is now more sharper and better for the eyes. If anybody wants this I can help
04:53<xukun>sorry wrong site again
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04:59<NoOne>sorry for my duplicate question (I already asked yesterday), but I didnt catch all answers and dont have a history :(
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05:08<m4steR>hi all
05:08<m4steR>how may I have xgl on my debian?
05:09<m4steR>i'm trying to start compiz
05:09<m4steR>i have installed fglrx
05:09<m4steR>it works
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05:11<avu>m4steR, recent versions of fglrx work with AIGLX, too. So no need for XGL anymore. At least that's what I heard.
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05:11<m4steR>avu, i know
05:12<m4steR>avu, but compiz says Xgl not found
05:12<m4steR>it didn't keep aixgl but xgl
05:12<avu>m4steR, which would be OK, as long as you have AIGLX
05:12<avu>m4steR, XGL is not even in debian AFAIK
05:13<m4steR>can you say me how can i do?
05:13<avu>do what? Enabling AIGLX?
05:13<m4steR>in your opinion this guide is ok?
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05:14<avu>m4steR, I'd try
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05:15<m4steR>avu, this wiki doesn't talk about fglrx...
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05:15<avu>m4steR, why should it?
05:15<avu>m4steR, you just said the driver already works fine
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05:16<m4steR>avu, ok i try this guide, one moment
05:16<m4steR>fglrx is ok for the moment
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05:16<avu>m4steR, as long as you have a recent enough version to support AIGLX, yes
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05:17<avu>m4steR, not sure at what version that support got introduced..
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05:18<m4steR>avu, i'm using lenny and last fglrx
05:18<m4steR>by ufficial installer ati
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05:19<m4steR>avu, i'm restarting xorg
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05:20<m4steR>avu, this is the output of compiz
05:20<m4steR>Checking for Xgl: not present.
05:20<m4steR>No whitelisted driver found
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05:21<avu>m4steR, you did everything according to and are using the latest fglrx version available from ATI?
05:21<avu>m4steR, if yes, I am at a loss, sorry
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06:36<imperia>guys how do i get rid of this quit/join spam in irssi?
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06:39<imperia>the-dude: thx
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06:50<imperia>guys is lenny same as testing repo?
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06:51<imperia>hmm i got 2 debian boxes one set as lenny other as testing and both got different updates yesterday...
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06:52<the-dude>and you did a apt-get update at the same time?
06:54<imperia>i always do : aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade -y
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06:57<the-dude>try dpkg --get-selections|wc -l and see if they have the same amount of packages
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06:59<bill_>i am looking info doc about how modify debconf to allow me to reconfigure easily some pckage. ex I have 100 computers connected on ldap i want to change my ldap server , dc=.. and i do not want to reconfigure by hand every computer. I can change /etc/.. but it will be (could be) reset on update.
06:59<bill_>i found a python debconf but i do not able to use it.
07:00<the-dude>bill_: what about clusterssh?
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07:02<bill_>clustershh i do not know what is it . I go and google for it
07:03<imperia>the-dude: my 2 debians got different installations.. but still i did the update at the same time... the first box updated TAR... the second didn't ... i got tar on both
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07:11<bill_>I am using cfengine to send config via network. my config could be gnerated via a web server and a database. i want to change a value on my server, and the new config file is send to the client. but i have to tell debconf about it to avoid him reseting on update.
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07:15<lukas>hi there
07:15<the-dude>imperia: perhaps you installed tar be hand before the update or so
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07:17<imperia>the-dude: i think i installed it by hand .. but that was long time ago.. i needed it for my kernel... if not it was installed with debian itself
07:19<imperia>the-dude: its not a big deal. but i started to wonder yesterday if lenny==testing when i saw that..
07:19<the-dude>imperia: compare packages to see if they have the both packages
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07:19<the-dude>you could do a dpkg --get-selections with a diff and perhaps a apt-show-versions with a diff
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07:23<bill_>i can t diff and set-selection, i do it when installing my computer under fai but i wonder if there is a sexyest method?
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07:32<imperia>he was talking to me?
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07:44<mihau>does anyone know how to make beryl load beryl plugin on startup? when it starts it loads Metacity
07:44<mihau>window manager plugin
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08:04<lukas>the scsi disk drivers seem to support a feature called stop_on_shutdown to park the head properly before the drive is powered down. my ide drive is suffering from not parking the head on shutdown which results in a squeaking sound followed by a hard click parking noise when the power shuts down. is there a similar shutdown option for ide drives (havent found one after a while of googling)?
08:05<lukas>otherwise i'm thinking about using some shutdown script that calls hdparm -y to shutdown the disk before poweroff, might this cause any trouble or does it sound like a safe workarround?
08:05<imperia>lukas: maybe your hdd is going to die.. all hdd auto park their heads on shutdown
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08:05<@weasel>the linux kernel probably already does what you want
08:05<@weasel>and what you are hearing is the normal shutdown voice of your disk
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08:05<imperia>lukas: you better check your hdd with smartmon-tools
08:05<lukas>smartctl says its fine
08:06<mihau>does anyone know how to make beryl load beryl window manager plugin on startup? when it starts it loads Metacity
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08:08<lukas>the squeaking sound does not appear on every shutdown, only like every third. the hdd is acutally new, i have backups and i get a new from the shop if it dies within the first year but there is some strange that i want to solve before i put anything new into my laptop
08:09<lukas>if i reboot, the hdd starts to park/unpark the head like every 10 seconds. it does not if i shutdown and power up again
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08:12<imperia>for me its hardware issue. better change the hdd ...take your lappy to the shop
08:13<imperia>so its lappy hdd?
08:13<imperia>can you plug it to some other pc to check what happen
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08:15<lukas>i did, using an usb to small ide adapter everything works fine. no squeaking, no clicking..
08:16<imperia>i had similar issue.. check you hdd power connector
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08:16<imperia>swap it if possible
08:17<imperia>or plug it to that usb.. when using the power from the laptop
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08:22<lukas>ok, will try the power connector. thx
08:22<lukas>well, then shutdown and screwdriver action ;)
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09:16<avtobiff>is the business card bootable?
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09:21<dugans>Morning, all. (At least where I am.)
09:22<dugans>I see little action in here, but- I am looking for info on doing some custom udev stuff on Debian Etch, trying to find info/help.
09:22<avtobiff>!tell dugans about ask
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09:29<dugans>I have a problem with udev on Debian Etch. I have 2 usbserial devices, one of which gets 4 ttyUSB ports. As long as I connect it (evdo modem) first, all is fine, but if I connect my gps sensor first, the port changes. I have not been able to find a way to either force the gps to always claim the fifth ttyUSB port, or symlink multiple ports for the evdo modem.
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10:00<hetauma>how can I install compiz fusion on lenny?
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10:03<_kryptLR_>is there a way to assign the cursor keys to the mouse pointer?
10:04<seanius>wait, isn't compiz-fusion *in* lenny?
10:04<hetauma>it's in the repos yes
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10:24<ZathraZ>hi. On Debian Etch with a madwifi install for an atheros chipset wifi card I have a functioning ath0 interface
10:24<ZathraZ>also there is an onboard VIA Rhine II nic
10:24<ZathraZ>I can define that as eth0
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10:24<norbert_>hi, I'm giving a friend of mine instructions on how to install kdenlive with the Synaptic Package Manager
10:24<ZathraZ>but if I do so ath0 stops working
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10:25<ZathraZ>any pointers please
10:25<norbert_>but for some reason, he says it's not in his overview; I noticed that it doesn't have the Debian icon in front of it in the overview... can anyone tell me what that means and whether or not that could be why he can't find it?
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10:27<avtobiff>ZathraZ, define stop working
10:29<ZathraZ>first: both NICs have an other MAC-adres as they should. Both eth-s are have static IP
10:29<ZathraZ>does not work: route is removed
10:30<ZathraZ>it feels a bit like eth0 and ath0 are somehow linked and therefor cannot be used seperately
10:30<ZathraZ>yet the onboard VIA Rhine can not be accessed as eth1
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10:31<ZathraZ>so either the wired NIC (ath0) works or the wired NIC (eth0) works. I would like both to be active
10:31<fxiny>norbert_: don't know anything about kdenlive , all i can say to you is on : etch/main Packages
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10:32<fxiny>norbert_: Candidate: 0.4-0.1-etch2
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10:34<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
10:34<norbert_>yes, fxiny
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10:36<norbert_>the problem is that that's way too difficult for him
10:36<norbert_>I'm going with kino
10:36<norbert_>(although that didn't show up in the menu on his computer, but I explained he can go to the file browser and double click on /usr/bin/kino)
10:36<fxiny>norbert_: it will be easy if yoy just tell him to run : aptitude install kdenlive in a konsole
10:37<norbert_>no it won't, because the whole adding of the repository is way too difficult
10:37<norbert_>he has to start a Root Terminal and everything
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10:38<fxiny>norbert_: tell him to type su in a terminal , give root password and pass him dpkg cli line
10:38<norbert_>that's way too difficult
10:38<fxiny>is easy
10:38<norbert_>I'm doing it with kino now
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10:45<ranix>norbert_: typing something into a terminal window is too difficult?
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10:46<ranix>norbert_: get that guy a mac, he's obviously too stupid to use linux if he can't type in a terminal, and he's obviously too stupid to use windows if he can't randomly click things in Synaptic
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10:47<ranix>alternately just give yourself ssh access to his computer and do it yourself
10:48<norbert_>I now gave him that whole line
10:48<norbert_>and he keeps saying "do you want to ignore this and that warning"
10:49<norbert_>I told him: yes, do enter everywhere
10:49<norbert_>I'm going to try kdenlive anyways, because kino couldn't import the avi, for some reason
10:50<norbert_>but those things are /really/ hard for newbies
10:50<norbert_>geeks underestimate these things
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10:53<ranix>s/newbie/lazy\ asshole/g
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10:58<theoldsausege>Hello there, does anyone have time for a question about burning root.img to a floppy?
10:58<norbert_>ranix: I do not agree with you, people expect things from their computer
10:59<norbert_>kdenlive should be in the Package Manager, standard
10:59<norbert_>kino sucks balls
10:59<norbert_>everyone who has every really used an editor - I have - knows this
11:00<ranix>norbert_: I expected things too. I expected to learn how to use a computer, and I realized that when other people had things I didn't it meant that I had to figure out how to get them. I started this when I was around nine years old, it's not some kind of world-shattering insight
11:00<norbert_>seriously, nowadays a (good) video editor is a requirement for an OS
11:00<_shai_>norbert_: You seem to use a very strange definition of OS.
11:01<norbert_>I'm not talking about the kernel
11:01<norbert_>I'm talking about the whole system
11:01<theoldsausege>Quick question, why would boot.img burn to a floppy and root.img not? winimage gives me an error when opening it. boot.img worked perfect however.
11:01<_shai_>I might agree if you'd said distribution (even though I've never actually used, or needed, a video editor).
11:01<norbert_>sure, distribution
11:01<norbert_>I mean "Debian"
11:01<norbert_>so, yeah, distribution
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11:02<ranix>norbert_: I'd call you a troll but you seem to believe the things you are saying
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11:02<norbert_>not just that, I'm right
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11:03<ranix>so any operating system must come standard with video editing software, and the fact that you think it's too difficult to install video editing software on Debian makes you angry
11:03<norbert_>no, it should be easy to install a good package
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11:04<ranix>norbert_: obligatory. "WAAAAH, Linux is hard"
11:04<norbert_>and if you have to use a fucking Root Terminal that means it's not easy
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11:04<norbert_>Linux /is/ too hard
11:04<norbert_>for newbies
11:04<_shai_>You seem to have a different opinion of 'hard' from the rest of us.
11:04<ranix>in this conversation, typing words on your computer is difficult
11:05<ranix>I think you are far below the baseline difficulty level here
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11:06<ranix>personally, I do agree that it is very unfair that people who know how to use computers find doing so less difficult than people who do not. This is obviously wrong and goes against everything I stand for.
11:07<norbert_>it has nothing to do with that
11:07<norbert_>you can't ask users to open a Root Terminal and paste something from a bot at #debian in order to install the only usable video editor for Linux
11:07<norbert_>and that's not the only problem - at all
11:07<ranix>norbert_: I will personally strive to make linux easier for your grandmother by turning apt into a clickfest of random checkboxes and "install now" buttons. Except that that's already been done, and it's called the synaptic package manager
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11:08<norbert_>yes, and that program doesn't give you kdenlive
11:08<norbert_>because you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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11:08<_shai_>ranix: And a good thing too, or I'd have fought you every step of the way.
11:08<norbert_>if you download the deb, apt will pretend it has been installed, but kdenlive fails because all kinds of libs are missing
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11:09<_shai_>norbert_: Then go complain to the one who packaged it?
11:09<ranix>norbert_: Kdenlive is not released yet. It has not hit version 1.0. People who are new to using computers are not meant to be using Kdenlive
11:09<norbert_>if that is the case, then no one should use Linux
11:09<norbert_>at least not on the desktop
11:10<azeem>norbert_: please keep it on topic
11:10<norbert_>and of course kdenlive is ready to use
11:10<norbert_>0.5 doesn't mean it's not ready
11:10<azeem>norbert_: so contribute and package it for Debian
11:10<azeem>or pay somebody to do that for you
11:10<ranix>the version numbers say that kdenlive is not release quality in the opinion of the developers. That's why it's not in the stable apt repository
11:10<azeem>ranix: what?
11:10<azeem>that's nonsense
11:11<ranix>0.5 < 1.0
11:11<azeem>what does that have to do with stable?
11:11<ranix>I would by default assume a version < 1 to be unfinished
11:11<norbert_>and not just that, if it's the best editor out there, then even an /unstable/ version should be included in the apt repositories
11:11<ranix>and not come into #debian moaning about not having it
11:12<_shai_>norbert_: No it shouldn't.
11:12<norbert_>yes, it should
11:12<_shai_>No, debian stable includes _stable_ software.
11:12<ranix>norbert_: #ubuntu is more up your alley
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11:12<_shai_>If it's not it has no place in stable. If it's any good it'll show up in testing and get stabilized.
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11:12<OdyX>ranix: aptitude is < 1.0
11:12<OdyX>and is in stable
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11:13<OdyX>and its usage is _recommended_ by Debian Devs
11:13<azeem>norbert_: the fact that it is distributed via debian-multimedia might imply there are license issue which prevent it from inclusion in Debian main
11:13<norbert_>anyways, I used Skype and talked him through the whole process
11:14<OdyX>apt is 0.7
11:14<azeem>OdyX: you can stop now
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11:15<norbert_>_shai_: I think it should include 'the most stable' and not 'only stable'
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11:15<azeem>norbert_: what you think is irrelevant here
11:15<norbert_>that, or Debian should stop all its desktop involvement
11:15<azeem>norbert_: this channel is for Debian support, not meta-discussions about Debian release management
11:15<norbert_>well, I'm just giving my opinion, that's all
11:16<azeem>it's off-topic
11:16<azeem>and you already gave it plenty of times
11:16<norbert_>yep, I'll quit it now
11:16<ranix>sorry OdyX, azeem, I conceed that point :(
11:16<OdyX>no worry
11:16<azeem>norbert_: you're free to continue this discussion in #debian-talk
11:17<norbert_>neh, I'm done ;-)
11:18<ranix>what we should be really discussing is the apparent total disability of the developers to get Debian distributed on life-sized female japanese robots to my home
11:18<ranix>this is a tremendous failure that goes against everything I stand for
11:18<amphi>ranix: I know, it's hopeless
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11:19<_shai_>ranix: I think we should first discuss their total failure to deliver any of those robots to us. I'd be interested even if they were running *buntu.
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11:48<gloupy>when i apt-get upgrade, the system tells that it is keeping back packages. why ?
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11:49<gsimmons>!tell gloupy -about kept back
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11:50<OdyX>gloupy: you should give a try to aptitude and its "graphical" version
11:51<OdyX>it shows things in a very much clearer way and gives you a lot of options under your hand
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11:54<dpkg>aptitude is probably "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>
11:55<ranix>I prefer apt
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11:58<OdyX>ranix: that's your freedom...
12:00<ranix>does aptitude have super cow powers
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12:02<gloupy>i do not have a graphical version on the system
12:02<fatal>gloupy: aptitude will give you a curses interface if you don't give it any parameters.
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12:25<dpkg>To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true
12:25<blue>!why not aptitude
12:25<dpkg>aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have.
12:26<blue>!why aptitude
12:26<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info
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12:26<azeem>blue: please /msg the bot
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12:46<Hungmanmoojoo>i've got a problem
12:46<Hungmanmoojoo>since upgrading from 2.6.22 to 2.6.24, ny usb modem wont work anymore
12:47<Hungmanmoojoo>it's an huawei e220
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12:52<Hungmanmoojoo>is ppl asleap?
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12:53<Hungmanmoojoo>can someone send me a query or something if you see this.. cause from my end it seems like i'm the onlyone talking here..
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12:58<hathe|ffws>Hungmanmoojoo: your are the only one talking atm ;)
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13:00<Hungmanmoojoo>nice.. good
13:01<Hungmanmoojoo>so.. anyone using a huawei e220?
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13:05<avtobiff>after i upgraded my kernel to 2.6.24-1-686 s2both (disk) doesn't work anymore. i have reconfigured initramfs-tools and uswsusp without any positive result. s2both just says "suspend: Could not stat the resume device file
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13:06<amphi>perhaps you need to tell it which partition to use? or the kernel with 'resume=/dev/foo' on the kernel command line
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13:08<avtobiff>amphi, in menu.1st (grub) you mean, amphi?
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13:10<Hungmanmoojoo>hey avbobiff.. is it an usb disk?
13:12<Hungmanmoojoo>ack.. gotta go
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13:12<avtobiff>no it is an ordinary sata disk
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13:13<avtobiff>amphi, is it not enough to have initrd /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` in menu.1st?
13:14<avtobiff>amphi, and it is the swap partition that shoud be put in resume line right?
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13:18<[-Pi-]>can i execute sha512sum on all the files listed in a file
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13:20<fxiny>same as md5sum -c file.list
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13:20<[-Pi-]>fxiny: if that 'yes' was for me, how?
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13:20<[-Pi-]>ok, thx
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13:21<chester_m>i can do my sound card work
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13:21<chester_m>i use debian testing, could someone help me please?
13:21<fxiny>[-Pi-]: where file.list is : sha512sum * > file.list
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13:22<[-Pi-]>fxiny: i do not want to test them...
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13:22<[-Pi-]>fxiny: i am using a complex find to write the names of the files to names.file, i want to calculate the md5/sha512 for all the files listed
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13:25<fxiny>[-Pi-]: for file in $(cat sha_list); do sha512sum $file; done
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13:26<fxiny>or pipe find to xargs
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13:28<amphi>avtobiff: yes, the swap partition
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13:29<[-Pi-]>ok thx
13:29<fxiny>find dir -type f | xargs sha512sum
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13:34<avtobiff>amphi, thanks.
13:36<amphi>avtobiff: I haven't used uswsusp, BTW - I use swsusp here
13:36<avtobiff>what is the difference?
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13:37<avtobiff>amphi, there is no such package swsusp
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13:38<amphi>avtobiff: no, it's in the kernel; I hibernate by doing 'echo disk > /sys/power/state'
13:39<avtobiff>amphi, is that in debian stock kernels?
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13:40<amphi>avtobiff: yes - CONFIG_SUSPEND=y
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13:42<flami>Hi, Im running Lenny and I'm apparently a victim of this bug : , setting the HW clock fails. I have this problem since I upgraded to 2.6.24. . Does anyone know a solution to that problem ?
13:43<ranix>is there a way to pipe all sound over my intranet to another computer? Everything that hits alsa; beeps, blips, etc?
13:43<ranix>via TCP
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13:45<avu>flami, as indicated in the ML thread pointed to by the bug, using NTP so set your clock works as a temporary workaround
13:46<flami>Im using NTP . problem is I don't always have internet ^^.
13:46<avu>flami, well then using an older kernel image would work
13:46<s_i_m>ranix, perhaps you need pulseaudio or nas
13:46<flami>yes 2.6.22 still works .
13:48<flami>so basically with 2.6.24 there is no workaround that works without an internet connection ?
13:48<avu>flami, none that I know of
13:48<flami>ok thanks
13:48<cahoot>flami: you could try --directisa as option to hwclock
13:48<avu>flami, (which probably doesn't mean that much. but when the bug page does not say something else, it seams I am right)
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13:51<ranix>thanks s_i_m ! I'll check those out
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13:54<flami>yes --directisa seems to work , I only tried --show --directisa as i never used this command . is there a more or less easy way to modifiy the init script to use --directisa ?
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13:56<cahoot>flami: I think you can put HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa" in /etc/default/rcS
13:57<flami>yes found it now I missed that HWCLOCKPARS part the 1st time i looked at it . at least its not complaining now ... I hope its actually working
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13:59<flami>Thanks for the help.
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14:03<azreal>anyone tell me what packages i need installed on server to let X clients run from remote, actually was trying to let Xwin32 connect to X server, it wants to use XDMCP, but im not sure what that is
14:05<ranix>azreal: you need a window manager to do XDMCP
14:05<ranix>azreal: such as XDM or GDM
14:05<ranix>azreal: give a quick google for GDM XDMCP
14:06<ranix>azreal: and hit wikipedia for a description of XDMCP
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14:07<ranix>azreal: helpful tip: the X server is the machine displaying windows, and the X client is the program asking to display a window. This goes against what you might consider standard, which would be your 'client' computer connecting to a 'server' to run programs
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14:07<azreal>ranix: thanx for the info
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14:08<ranix>azreal: I do what I can
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14:17<g-unot>hi im on the newest debian, and im having a problem resolving things such as networks and irc servers, in order to connect to them i must manulaly reolve their ip address, anybody know what to do?
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14:18<amphi>what do you mean, 'manually'?
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14:19<g-unot>i manually host something like
14:19<hw>g-unot, DNS servers are defined in the file /etc/resolv.conf
14:19<g-unot>okay thanx
14:20<g-unot>that looks fine there
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14:30<g-unot>so any ideas on why it wont resolve?
14:32<x03>g-unot: what is the error ?
14:32<g-unot>there is no error, its just that webpages, ircservers, etc, wont resolve if they dont have an ip
14:33<g-unot>so i have to manually resolve them
14:33<g-unot>i tried the /etc/resolv.conf
14:33<x03>what nameservers you have there ?
14:34<g-unot>and the other 2 i added b4 reboot arnt there anymore
14:35<x03>try the second nameserver is ok
14:36<x03>change it to the first place
14:36<x03>no reboot needed sir
14:36<x03>reboot doesnt solve nothing...
14:37<g-unot>still dosnt seem to be working
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14:37<fxiny>check /etc/ppp/peersdsl-provider >> #usepeerdns
14:37<x03>ping -c2
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14:38<g-unot>2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1000ms
14:38<g-unot>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 79.615/80.403/81.191/0.788 ms
14:38<fxiny>and /etc/network/interfaces
14:38<chester_m>how can i use sudo command in debian? like in ubuntu
14:38<g-unot>now its working
14:39<x03>whats is the problem?
14:39<x03>the order of nameservers?
14:39<g-unot>when i told u it didnt work
14:39<x03>g-unot: btw, fix your dhcpd
14:39<g-unot>i missepellded nameserver
14:39<g-unot>and i added two more ips
14:39<g-unot>how x03?
14:40<s_i_m>chester_m, edit /etc/sudoers as root. but read the man page first!
14:40<x03> /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
14:40<x03>chester_m: use visudo for that
14:41<x03>g-unot: that file
14:41<x03>if you have the dhcpd in debian
14:41<g-unot>x03, what do i add?
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14:42<dalcio>alguem do brasil?
14:42<x03>g-unot: im suposing that you are configuring your dhcpd of your lan
14:42<x03>dalcio: portugal
14:42<g-unot>x03 lol
14:42<dalcio>x03 ola..
14:42<g-unot>now im trying to get my wifi to work
14:42<chester_m>no visudo :S
14:42<g-unot>it randomly quit
14:43<x03>g-unot: but if you reboot probably you have the wrong nameserver again
14:43<g-unot>so how can i fix this?
14:43<x03>because your lan dhcpd send you that nameserver
14:44<x03>g-unot: first need to find the dhcpd
14:44<x03>dhclient iface
14:44<x03>and check where the offer comes
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14:44<g-unot>SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
14:44<g-unot>iface: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
14:44<g-unot>iface: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
14:44<g-unot>Bind socket to interface: No such device
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14:44<chester_m>i edited with nano...and works ;)
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14:45<x03>g-unot: dhclient <iface>
14:45<x03>where, <iface> is the interface
14:45<x03>like wlan0, eth0 etc
14:46<x03>or you can fix your ip address for that nic
14:46<x03>in /etc/network/interfaces
14:46<x03>to get static ip
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14:46<g-unot>so i got an ip
14:46<x03>and good nameservers
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14:46<x03>yes you have a leased ip
14:47<g-unot>but what do i do with this dhclient stuff
14:47<hever>whats about mixing ubuntu and debian sources in apt ?
14:47<x03>dhclient serarch/ask for nameservers/ip's
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14:48<x03>hever: what about mixing your mind with a dog mind ?
14:48<avu>hever, that's a bad idea
14:48<x03>g-unot: man dhclient
14:48<fxiny>hever: never mix red wine with water :P
14:48<craigevil>hever: sure if you want to trash your debian install
14:48<hever>they have the gfxboot package...
14:48<avu>hever, you can use deb-src lines from debian in ubuntu and the other way around though, no problem
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14:49<x03>compile it from source...
14:49<x03>problem solved
14:49<g-unot>that man page didnt really help
14:50<hever>perhaps ubuntu is better than debian for a desktop ...
14:50<amphi>hever: testing makes a nice 'desktop' for me
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14:50<avu>hever, yeah, because it can print pretty pictures on boot
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14:50<x03>avu: debian too
14:50<avu>that's really quite the feature indeed
14:51<amphi>how often do you boot? ;)
14:51<avu>x03, ..
14:51<x03>ubuntu is the ancient word for "i can configure debian"
14:51<amphi>x03: er...
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14:51<g-unot>so x03 what did u want me to do exactly with dhclient
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14:52<fxiny>desktops are the new century plague
14:52<x03>g-unot: search for ip of your dhcpd
14:52<melodie>hello everybody? I have serious trouble with sid. It seem that after an update something is broken : /scripts/local-top/cryptoroot : line 1 : sed : not found. and below this Line I et this message : ALERT: dev/mapper/debian-root does not exist. after that I'm redirected to a busybox terminal and don't know what to do
14:53<amphi>fxiny: are standalone wms included in this plague? 'desktop' seems to have degenerated to mean '!server'
14:53<avtobiff>amphi, thanks for the swsusp tip, i'll try it out
14:54<g-unot>x03 how can i search i read the man page nothing says
14:54<x03>melodie: apt-get install sed
14:54<melodie>I use LVM2 with cryptroot
14:54<craigevil>melodie: there was a bug in busybox in sid but it was fixed like a month ago
14:54<s_i_m>fxiny, true :) however, I would say that what I see as a desktop and what an average user sees as it -- these differ a lot.
14:54<amphi>avtobiff: you're welcome; your acpi script can just do 'echo disk > /sys/power/state', FWIW
14:55<x03>g-unot: yes you need to ask for ip again
14:55<x03>to find where is your dhcpd
14:55<melodie>There's no /dev/mapper/debian-root in my /dev/...
14:55<g-unot>dhclient ask?
14:55<x03>(is the easyest way)
14:55<fxiny>amphi: i a use fluxbox : dunno why people want to go back to the ape trees :)
14:55<amphi>the simian will out ;)
14:55<x03>g-unot: sudo dhclient ziface> and paste the output
14:55<x03>in pastebin
14:56<fxiny>in the evolution line we should talk to our personal hal
14:56<avtobiff>amphi, FWIW?
14:56<avtobiff>amphi, where is my acpi script located?
14:56<g-unot>lol x03 now i cant get online
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14:57<x03>g-unot: yes is normal you have now the worng nameservers again sir
14:57<g-unot>it keeps setting it back
14:57<x03>go and fix your dhcpd
14:57<dpkg>well, fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth
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14:58<amphi>avtobiff: /etc/acpi - you only need it if you want to bind hibernate to a key combo that generates acpi events
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14:58<fxiny>s_i_m: i did my stats : i use only iceweasel emacs vi xmms2 and mrxvt . i don't click too much so fluxbox is ok for me
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14:59<g-unot>x03 did u get it?
15:00<x03>g-unot: DHCPACK from
15:00<x03>go and fix it
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15:00<g-unot>where do i put that?
15:00<fxiny>but i do games so i don't understand why people get excited by a plague called desktop
15:00<s_i_m>fxiny, try dwm or awesome
15:00<fxiny>dwm ?
15:01<fxiny>is it minimal ?
15:01<x03>g-unot: the 0.1 is your dhcpd
15:02<x03>you need go there, and configure it
15:02<g-unot>how though?
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15:02<g-unot>where do i configure it
15:02<x03>g-unot: depends what implementation
15:03<x03>what is that ip ?
15:03<x03>a home-gateway ?
15:03<g-unot>my router
15:03<x03>so go there
15:03<x03>in GUI
15:03<g-unot>and do what?
15:03<x03>and search for nameservers
15:03<fxiny>craigevil: hahah i noticed the "suckless" (and doctor who) :)
15:04<ajr>Hello. Can I install a testing package (that is not backported) on stable without upgrading libraries that it depends on? I have tried to build packages, but apt-get build-dep wants to upgrade libraries too (for example, libc6).
15:04<g-unot>dhcp server?
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15:04<chester_m> iceweasel fonts are horrible :p i cant configure it, could someone sent me a conf file or something?
15:04<the-dude>ajr: you could try a apt-get install -t testing $packagename but be carefull
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15:05<craigevil>/* Fix the font layout */
15:05<craigevil>user_pref("layout.css.dpi", 0);
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15:06<craigevil>add that to your user.js or in about:config, a lot also depends on what fonts you are using and what desktop
15:06<ajr>the-dude: that is what I tried to do, but it wants to upgrade libraries, that I don't want to upgrade.
15:06<chester_m>i'm using gnome
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15:06<g-unot>x03 so what should i change in the dhcp server?
15:06<melodie>nobody can help me ?
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15:07<chester_m>:S what file i need to change?
15:08<fxiny>ok keyboard commands , mod a-la flux . interesting
15:08<x03>g-unot: you must have there in dhcpd configuration what is the nameserver to serve in clients
15:08<x03>g-unot: is the ip that you have in /etc/resolv.conf
15:09<x03>in second place now
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15:09<g-unot>yes x03
15:09<g-unot>and my nameservers are set to dynamic in my router
15:09<jedai>more 6 hours i try install lenny via usb-stick ... oO his cold, installer cold find .iso ...
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15:12<fxiny>blame evil dart wader :P
15:13<x03>g-unot: do this
15:13<x03>before you broke all of that
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15:13<paul0>hi there
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15:13<paul0>something is wrong with my network-manager
15:13<x03>g-unot: go in your client, and man interfaces
15:13<paul0>it doesn't detect and try to connect automatically to wireless networks anymore
15:13<x03>ans setup the static definitions for your wlan nic
15:14<jedai>johoo - i just burn debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso .. and its WORK ;)
15:14<x03>as in ip , netmask, nameservers, and default route
15:14<g-unot>this makes no sense to me
15:14<x03>why not g-unot ?
15:14<x03>if you dont know how to fix your nameserver?
15:14<g-unot>well yes
15:15<g-unot>whats my client?
15:15<fxiny>right : dwm seems on the ratpoison line . maybe even more funny . floating windows , tags , mod sounds goods
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15:15<Azrael>hello @ all
15:16<x03>Azrael: i know you ?
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15:16<g-unot>and x03 im on lan
15:16<Azrael>don't think first time here
15:17<x03>Azrael: dupplicate nicks in diferent networks sory...
15:17<Azrael>could anyone help me with the problem that i have during installing debian on my notebook?
15:17<Azrael>not your fault :D
15:17<x03>g-unot: go and learn some about TCP/IP
15:17<x03>and man interfaces
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15:18<melodie>my debian doesn't boot : /scripts/local-top/cryptroot: line 1 : sed : not found....
15:18<fxiny>Azrael: as soon as you explain your problem
15:19<x03>melodie: do you have sed intalled ?
15:19<fxiny>cryptroot ?
15:19<fxiny>melodie: luks ?
15:19<g-unot>x03, id like to fix this problem first
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15:20<x03>g-unot: sir, im sory, but i dont know your router
15:20<Azrael>well i always installed debian with my netinstall cd but it seems that the instal app isn't finding the ethernet-card of my stupid notebook
15:20<g-unot>explain to me waht i should do
15:20<x03>i just give you a lot of possible things
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15:20<g-unot>but none of them i understood
15:20<fxiny>melodie: is it an encrypted system ?
15:21<x03>g-unot: witch part ?
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15:21<g-unot>all of it
15:21<g-unot>how do i stop my resolve conf from changin
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15:21<x03>you have 2 choices
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15:22<x03>or fix your dhcpd in your router to sto give that wrong nameserver to your clients... or setup static configurations in your client nics
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15:23<g-unot>ill do the secong
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15:23<x03>so, man interfaces
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15:23<craigevil>melodie: update-initramfs -d -k $(uname -r) , update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r)
15:23<g-unot>what do u mean?
15:23<fxiny>craigevil: :)
15:23<g-unot>how do i man
15:24<fxiny>Azrael: new hardware ?
15:24<g-unot>u mean literalt
15:24<craigevil>there was/is a bug in cryptsetup, i dont use it so not sure if its still there, it was on March 23
15:24<g-unot>okay so what should i be looking for in the page?
15:24<fxiny>i use it on my etch (cloned)
15:24<Azrael>yes the whole system is new and probably the only problem is a missing driver for ethernet controller
15:25<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
15:25<fxiny>Azrael: see that one ^^^
15:25<Azrael>which one???
15:25<fxiny>the kmuto d-i
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15:26<Azrael>ok thx will try it thanks for the quick help
15:26<x03>g-unot: check
15:26<fxiny>Azrael: np
15:27<g-unot>okay so i have to configore it to a static local ip
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15:27<ajr>Can I ask here questions about Debian project, or is this channel only for technical support questions?
15:27<x03>g-unot: is not the best way, but solves
15:28<x03>ajr: you can ask
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15:28<g-unot>x03 whats the best wat
15:28<x03>g-unot: fix your dhcpd dammm it
15:28<livingdaylight>so, i asked for lenny testing and someone gave me the link for etch :/
15:28<fxiny>dhcp + dns = dnsmasq
15:29<livingdaylight>how do i upgrade distro?
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15:29<x03>livingdaylight: apt-get dist-upgrade
15:29<fxiny>dnsmasq - dhcp = dnsmaq :P
15:29<g-unot>x03 that vague
15:29<livingdaylight>x03, will i dn't need to specify lenny? it will know?
15:29<avu>livingdaylight, in short, sed -i 's/(etch|stable)/lenny/' /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
15:30<livingdaylight>avu, slow down :)
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15:31<livingdaylight>avu, what is sed -i 's/(etch|stable)/lenny/ >
15:31<avu>livingdaylight, wasn't that right anyway 8)
15:31<avu>I always seem to get different regexp implementations confused :(
15:31<s_i_m>avu, what if he has installed etch from the DVD? =)
15:31<livingdaylight>avu, can you walk me through the first bit?
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15:32<avu>livingdaylight, sure
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15:32<avu>livingdaylight, open /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor. as root.
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15:33<avu>livingdaylight, first, check if you have any lines with cdrom entries in them
15:33<avu>s_i_m, good point ;)
15:33<avu>livingdaylight, if yes, delete them
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15:34<livingdaylight>avu, k
15:34<avu>livingdaylight, then, you go through the rest of the lines and replace any occurrence of "etch" and "stable" with "lenny"
15:34<avu>livingdaylight, (without the quotes)
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15:35<avu>livingdaylight, once you've done that, you save and close the file
15:35<avu>livingdaylight, and go ahead running 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade' as root
15:36<livingdaylight>avu, my sources list looks damn small??
15:36<avu>livingdaylight, but beware that you are upgrading from a stable to a testing version. Testing means things might explode. :-)
15:36<avu>livingdaylight, that does not have to be a problem :)
15:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
15:36<avu>livingdaylight, to be sure, you can paste the file, exactly :)
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15:38<avu>livingdaylight, that looks just fine
15:38<livingdaylight>wow... ok
15:38<avu>livingdaylight, now, as I said, run 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade' as root
15:39<livingdaylight>avu, kewl....
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15:39<livingdaylight>i'm familiar with apt-get update and upgrade from ubuntu
15:39<avu>livingdaylight, and, really, beware that you are from that moment on using an unreleased test-version of debian which just might eat your harddrive, empty your fridge and bone your girlfriend
15:40<livingdaylight>avu, hey... leave my girlfriend alone Lenny! :D
15:40<fxiny>can ubu do the same ? nahhhh :)))
15:40<fxiny>avu: :)
15:40<livingdaylight>fxiny, hehe... its not what i was saying
15:41<fxiny>livingdaylight: :)
15:41<livingdaylight>i was a bit horrified when i booted into my fresh debian install and found gnome 2.14
15:42<melodie>I have no debian-root file in /dev/mapper but only control and sda5_crypt how can I fix that ?
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15:43<dpkg>methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>).
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15:44<livingdaylight>what version of gnomedoes lenny ship with?
15:44<fxiny>melodie: what about /etc/fstab ?
15:44<avu>livingdaylight, I think it's on its way from 2.20 to 2.22 right now
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15:45<avu>livingdaylight, at least sid is. and it's been going on for more than 10 days, so beginnings of the transition should already be in lenny
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15:45<livingdaylight>avu, ic... will there be lots of daily updates?
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15:45<avu>livingdaylight, depends on your definition of lots :)
15:45<avu>livingdaylight, but there will be daily updates, yes
15:46<avu>livingdaylight, it's a development version after all
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15:46<fxiny>Sept 2008 ? too early !
15:47<dpkg>Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see
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15:48<livingdaylight>avu, i downloaded and burnt a 160Mb iso to cd... not a live cd but it just installs base install and with networking and hooking up to mirror ads de environment etc...
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15:50<avu>livingdaylight, and what do you want to say/ask by telling me this? :)
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15:50<livingdaylight>avu, i was gonna say i was surprised by how long that took...
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15:51<livingdaylight>would have been faster to download a 700mb live cd and install that way?
15:51<avu>livingdaylight, it gets faster both with rising ability and faster internet connections :)
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15:52<avu>livingdaylight, well, for many users, this live cd would come with stuff they don't want to install. In general, there is no official debian live cd (and by extension no official live cd based installer)
15:53<avu>livingdaylight, I find using this small netinstall iso quite efficient. this way I really only download the packages I really want
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15:53<livingdaylight>avu, i don't know what i did wrong but that is precisely what i didn't get... instead i got a very bloated DE
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15:54<avu>livingdaylight, well, you probably selected the 'desktop environment' task in the installer
15:54<livingdaylight>avu, i put an asterisk by Desktop and laptop and hit continue?
15:54<melodie>Hello I'm always disconnected from irc and doesn't know if my messages can be read, can someone please reply to me in order to let me know if irc fail or not
15:54<avu>melodie, ping
15:54<melodie>thk u :)
15:54<livingdaylight>avu, i did want gnome and desktop environment was the closest of choices
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15:55<avu>livingdaylight, well, I for one do not select any task in the installer when I setup a desktop for myself and install everything I want manually after the installation of the base system is finnished
15:55<livingdaylight>avu, what should i have done instead?
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15:55<avu>livingdaylight, but the desktop-environment task isn't that bad either
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15:56<livingdaylight>avu, amazingly amongst all that bloat i couldn't find an irc client
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15:57<avu>livingdaylight, yeah, it still isn't like ubuntu. it won't install openoffice either I think? :)
15:57<livingdaylight>avu, how would i have carried on and installed gnome ?
15:57<avu>livingdaylight, apt-get install gnome :)
15:57<avu>livingdaylight, or gnome-desktop-environment or gnome-core
15:57<avu>livingdaylight, depending on how much stuff you want
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15:57<livingdaylight>avu, so, had i unticked desktop environmenti wwould have just had the black screen with a cursor?
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15:58<melodie>so I was explaining that I've lost the debian-root mapper definition file under sid, I use cryptsetup and lvm2 filesystem, what can I do in order to recover it ?
15:58<avu>livingdaylight, gnome-desktop-environment comes pretty close to that the desktop environment tasksel task does I think
15:58<avu>livingdaylight, exactly
15:58<livingdaylight>avu, i'm on a 2mb broadband connection andit took 2hrs to install
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15:59<avu>livingdaylight, well, did it run at full speed the whole time? maybe you should just have selected another mirror
15:59<livingdaylight>with live cd's ones up in about 20minutes
15:59<livingdaylight>i chose which is also my isp provider....
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16:00<avu>livingdaylight, well, we're really going nowhere with this. If you think ubuntu is better, just use ubuntu :)
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16:00<avu>livingdaylight, or build a kicking debian live cd installer :)
16:00<dalcio>x03 e ai
16:00<livingdaylight>avu, ok :)
16:01<livingdaylight>avu, i was just trying to get some hindsight analysis from my experience so, i might learn something
16:01<livingdaylight>avu, wasn't a put down
16:02<jedai>lol - after grml install , win2003 installer say -->
16:04<fxiny>melodie: i dont use lvm . with that problem on my box i'd check again /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d then i update initram to let the kernel find root . the mapper file come from mkfs.ext3 /dev/mapper/root
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16:05<amphi>jedai: heh
16:06<fxiny>melodie: the lvm line for /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot should be : target=lukspace,source=/dev/hdxxxx,key=none , update-initramfs -u will updtae initram
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16:07<fxiny>melodie: sorry : target=lukspace,source=/dev/hdxxxx,key=none,lvm=vg-root
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16:22<melodie>where can i find help for fixing sid boot problem ?
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16:25<Supaplex>that's so non-descriptive
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16:25<paul0>my network-manager doesn't work anymore, anyone can help me?
16:26<Supaplex>!don't work
16:26<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
16:26<Supaplex>paul0 and melodie, take note of dpkg.
16:27<paul0>okay, i was trying to figure out where is the error, but everything seems to be right
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16:27<paul0>i've reinstalled network-manager, ipw3945 firmware...
16:27<Supaplex>what kind of network? ahhh
16:28<Supaplex>did it work before? what changed?
16:28<paul0>ethernet and wireless networks
16:28<paul0>it worked before, but it stopped
16:28<paul0>i updated my debian
16:28<paul0>and it still doesn't work
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16:29<paul0>(i'm using the testing branch)
16:29<Supaplex>interesting. do you have the old deb?
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16:30<paul0>when network-manager stopped working, i've updated everything with apt
16:31<Supaplex>I've always configured by hand (being a non-gnome fan)
16:31<paul0>with nowdays wpa protected networks it's quite boring to configure by hand
16:31<Supaplex>w/o a working network-manager, how'd you have network connectivity? :P
16:31<paul0>i'm using manual configuration with dhclient and ethernet
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16:32<Supaplex>you'll have to find the last known good version of network-manager you had, downgrade it to that, and pin it.
16:33<Supaplex>ask dpkg about pinning, downgrade, and snapshots
16:33<Supaplex>eg, /query dpkg
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16:35<Supaplex>oh, and bts and reportbug too
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16:46<bernifreak>kann hier einer deutsch?
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16:46<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:49<pundi1>somebody can help me here with downgrading a package with aptitude? i am scared of the rating score of -960; other packages are involved. what does the rating score mean?
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17:01<panagos>is there a way to save the current state of which packages are installed, and restore it afterwards? i want to try installing kde4, so that i can afterwards restore my current state of installed packages (in case anything goes wrong etc)
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17:02<abrotman>!debian clone
17:02<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
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17:03<panagos>thanks :)
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17:04<the-dude>I don't think that is a very good solution for making a "clone"
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17:06<panagos>basically there is aptitude-create-state-bundle, but i didn't understand if it does what i want :|
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17:08<abrotman>panagos: that probably saves debconf answers also
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17:09<melodie>I've lost /dev/mapper/debian-root under sid what can I do ?
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17:16<livingdaylight>i'm dist-upgrading from etch to lenny... i'm now being asked and given multiple choice for Policy for handling keymaps?
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17:18<livingdaylight>select keymap from arch list; don't touch keymap; keep kernel keymap; select keymap from full list
17:18<avu>livingdaylight, if the keymapping is already the one you want, select don't touch
17:19<livingdaylight>avu, k, ty
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17:27<melodie>nobody know how to fix that : Alert ! /dev/mapper/Debian-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell! under sid (lvm+cryptosetup). I can't find something about it with google :(
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17:29<the-dude>melodie: can't you boot it with a cdrom usbdrive or something and chroot it ?
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17:33<melodie>the-dude: The system stop under busybox terminal
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17:34<the-dude>perhaps use knoppix or something to boot it up
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17:36<melodie>the-dude: And what should I do in order to recover debian-root ?
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17:37<the-dude>at least do a filecheck
17:37<the-dude>after that try a chroot
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17:38<the-dude>check your volumes groups
17:38<x03>use sidux instead knoppix ;)
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17:38<melodie>the-dude: I can check files under busybox terminal but vgdisplay fail
17:39<melodie>x03: there's a live cd of sidux ?
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17:39<the-dude>x03: nice :)
17:40<x03>melodie: sidux is live
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17:41<the-dude>melodie: did you try vgck?
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17:44<melodie>the-dude: i'll
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17:48<livingdaylight>i've upgraded and rebooted into lenny; whence a dialog popped up telling me that power management didn't installl properly. Any ideas? is it major?
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17:49<melodie>the-dude: vgck doesn't work on busybox. I'll download sidux live cd
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17:51<chealer>livingdaylight: please paste the message
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17:52<livingdaylight>chealer, that was the message and the dialog didn't stay up very long and faded... but it said that power management didn't install properly and that i should speak to my administrator
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17:53<ajr>Hello. Is there a repository for Debian (Etch) with automatically generated backports? There are many packages that are not in, and I wouldn't need much support for some packages.
17:53<melodie>the-dude: are you familiar with cryptosetup ?
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17:54<chealer>livingdaylight: if it said that literally I think I'd file a bug for being too vague. which desktop environment do you use?
17:54<livingdaylight>i'm looking for network manager
17:54<livingdaylight>chealer, gnome
17:54<chealer>ajr: no
17:54<chealer>livingdaylight: no idea
17:54<livingdaylight>chealer, ok...
17:55<livingdaylight>normally network manager sits in panel and tells me what wireless networks are available. I pick mine and add thewep key...
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17:56<livingdaylight>maybe someone can help me setup wireless on my laptop so i can lose the network cable
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17:57<g-unot>hi, for some reason apt doesnt find madwifi and other packages and i tried updating anybody have an idea?
17:58<themill>g-unot: madwifi-source is in the non-free section of the repo. Do you have contrib and non-free included?
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17:59<g-unot>so do i add non-free?
17:59<themill>!tell g-unot about non-free sources
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17:59<themill>g-unot: yes, if you want things from non-free, then you'll have to...
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18:01<themill>no worries
18:03<melodie>the-dude: x03 : thk u for your help, it's late here and i'll go to sleep. I've started downloading sidux kde lite for amd64 in order to be able to do further investigations into my sid lvm2 and cryptosetup conf. I'll be back tomorrow
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18:09<g-unot>!tell g-unot madwifi
18:10<g-unot>!tell g-unot about madwifi
18:10<dpkg>methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
18:10<g-unot>!tell g-unot about madwifi-install
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18:11<x03>g-unot: m-a install madwifi
18:12-!-mode/#debian [+l 344] by debhelper
18:12<amphi>!tell g-unot -about selftell
18:13<g-unot>i got it
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18:20<livingdaylight>i've added christian Marillat's multimedia repository... but still can't find flash and sun-jre and so forth
18:21<E0x_>i can upgrade just one package ( and they dependecies ) , and not upgrade all package that have updates ?
18:21<nomadium>livingdaylight: add the sections contrib and non-free
18:21<E0x_>livingdaylight: flash and sun are in non-free section
18:21<E0x_>oh yes and contrib too
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18:21<chealer>E0x_: yes
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18:21<E0x_>chealer: how ? , apt-get upgrade package-name ?
18:22<livingdaylight>add conrtrib and non-free in synaptic>repositories?
18:22<chealer>E0x_: assuming you're just updating it, # apt-get install foo
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18:22<Tricore>How can I find out what packages are marked as required, important etc.?
18:23<E0x_>chealer: install ? don´t matter if i already have it install
18:23<themill>livingdaylight, nomadium: everything on the dmm site is in "main" not contrib and non-free
18:23<livingdaylight>where are the sections contrib and non-free please?
18:23*livingdaylight is confused
18:23<chealer>E0x_: no
18:23<themill>livingdaylight: what are you trying to do?
18:23<nomadium>livingdaylight: go to your file /etc/apt/sources.list
18:24<chealer>livingdaylight: besides main, on official mirrors
18:24<livingdaylight>themill, install multimedia codecs flash, java
18:24<nomadium>livingdaylight: there must be a line like this: deb etch main
18:24<themill>livingdaylight: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list line to look like this: deb etch main contrib non-free
18:25<nomadium>livingdaylight, themill: exactly
18:25<E0x_>chealer: i dont understand now , let me explain i have package Z installed , so i do a apt-get update and a new version of package Z is in the update list so i only want upgrade the package Z and not the other package that have update too but aren´t dependecies of package Z
18:26<nomadium>themill: and i was talking of the official debian repos...
18:26<themill>livingdaylight: now for flash, you also need to either add the repository or the repository too. If you have dmm already there, stick with that.
18:26<chealer>E0x_: yes...
18:26<themill>nomadium: yes. It was just ambiguous given previous comments about dmm
18:26<E0x_>chealer: yes what ?!!
18:27<nomadium>themill: fine
18:28<chealer>E0x_: well, what's your question?
18:28<chealer>I have to go soon though
18:28<E0x_>chealer: nevermind
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18:30<Tricore>Is it possible to get a list of packages with a given priority? Like what packages are marked as required, important etc.?
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18:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:38<livingdaylight>this is my current sources list:
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18:39<livingdaylight>themill, could you tell me whether my sources list is ok?
18:39<themill>livingdaylight: didn't you say you were using etch earlier?
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18:40<livingdaylight>themill, no, that i upgraded from etch to lenny
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18:40<livingdaylight>i wanted lenny but someone gave me the link to etch so i installed the wrong os and went the dist upgrade route
18:41<livingdaylight>or the wrong version rather
18:41<themill>livingdaylight: OK. they look fine. (I presume that is a good mirror for you to use). But if you are looking for things like flash and java then you need to add " contrib non-free" (no quotes) to the ends ot lines 1 2 4 and 5
18:42<livingdaylight>yes, virgin media is my isp provider so thats pretty close :)
18:43<livingdaylight>"deb lenny main contrib non-free" like that?
18:43<livingdaylight>for example?
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18:49<livingdaylight>is there a guide for new comers that walks them through the steps necessary to setup repos and install multimedia codecs flash etc?
18:51<livingdaylight>ok, thats java done; still can't find flash?
18:51<dpkg>flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
18:51<themill>!tell livingdaylight about adobe flash
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18:52<dpkg>[gnash] a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project.
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18:55<livingdaylight>Gnome-do is not in gnome 2.22?
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18:58<livingdaylight>W: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found
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18:59<avu>yeah, there are no lenny backports
18:59<firewallcz>hallo, I have Dell Inspiron 6400 graphic card ATI x1300 and gnome dont run, please, help me
18:59<firewallcz>write me... xorg.conf is bad
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19:01<livingdaylight>avu, oh... so i can scratch that
19:01<livingdaylight>W: Failed to fetch Unable to find expected entry contrib/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
19:01<firewallcz>I try dpkg-reconfigure xserver--xorg
19:02<firewallcz>and I dont what graphic choose
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19:05<themill>livingdaylight: everything on dmm is in "main". there is no contrib or non-free on dmm
19:05<themill>!tell livingdaylight about dmm
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19:05<dpkg>The current date is 2008.04.06 23:05:53 (UTC of course, this is *NIX)
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19:06<livingdaylight>themill, so i need to remove contrib non-free from the dmm line in repository?
19:06<themill>firewallcz: I *think* you need to grab the non-free fglrx driver for that card and that you will need to grab it from lenny as the one in etch is too old. Have a read about what cards it supports.
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19:08<famelix>firewallcz: You already tryed vesa, ati fbdev?
19:08<livingdaylight>ok, since i can't add backports in lenny, how do i get flash non-free please, guys?
19:09<livingdaylight> this talks of combining stable with backports
19:09<themill>livingdaylight: please read the adobe flash player factoid from dpkg again.
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19:09<firewallcz>famelix: I try vesa and ati and gnome dont starts
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19:10<arturodiaz>does anybody knows the diference between the DVD debian iso or the CD iso?
19:10<arturodiaz>were can i found the list of packages that come in any of those two
19:11<themill>!cd contents
19:11<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
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19:11<livingdaylight>themill, hrmmm... so the first bit about etch doesn't apply; the second about backports neither; and the third about taking it from dmm?? i followed chrsitians link and added the key and added the line in repos,updated but still do not find it, sorry... :s
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19:12<arturodiaz>what are the main diferences between those two isos?
19:12<livingdaylight>the last bit of the factoid says that flash non-free will not be included infuture stable releases
19:13<themill>livingdaylight: amd64 or i386?
19:13<themill>livingdaylight: the dmm package is called flashplayer-mozilla and it most certainly there.
19:14<livingdaylight>themill, you saw that i inserted the dmm line deb lenny main in my sources list
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19:14<themill>livingdaylight: perhaps pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy flashplayer-mozilla"
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19:16<themill>livingdaylight: so that says the package is available but not installed.... so you can now install it ;)
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19:18<livingdaylight>themill, that's what i been getting since earlier :(
19:18<abrotman>livingdaylight: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
19:18<themill>livingdaylight: please check the name of the package you are installing.
19:18<livingdaylight>abrotman, what's that?
19:19<themill>livingdaylight: the package has a different name on dmm than on dpkg has told you that and I have also pointed that out....
19:19<abrotman>livingdaylight: show us the line it displays on yourt system
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19:20<firewallcz>now on my debian fbdev driver, and write me fatal server error no screen found I use virtualbox
19:20<livingdaylight>E: Couldn't find package flashplugin
19:20<livingdaylight>Hod:/home/livingdaylight# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
19:20<livingdaylight>ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
19:20<firewallcz>famelix:now on my debian fbdev driver, and write me fatal server error no screen found I use virtualbox
19:21<abrotman>livingdaylight: you're running lenny?
19:21<abrotman>oh .. he has dmm
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19:22<livingdaylight>abrotman, yes
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19:22<livingdaylight>themill, sorry, you told me what the name is but won't tell me now because you told me before... <head spins>
19:23<livingdaylight>themill, isn't the name of the package flashplugin-nonfree? i've tried all the other variations and used synaptic to try and find it for me
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19:23<themill>livingdaylight: the package has a different name on dmm than on dpkg has told you that and I have also pointed that out....
19:23<livingdaylight>ok, thank you
19:23*abrotman just votes to use the tar.gz
19:23<famelix>firewallcz: and vesa you tryed?
19:24<famelix>firewallcz: maybe the X error is not related to the VGA devicd
19:24<famelix>firewallcz: can you put the exact log?
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19:26<aadmin>How do I install xserver-xorg for just my input and video devices, but not all of them?
19:27<aadmin>I tried apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-via xserver-xorg-video-all- but it still tried to install all of them.
19:28<livingdaylight>themill, sorry, but it could be much clearer... on i don't see clearly the final instruction of how to actually apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla and now that you say it, yes, dpkg does in the second part say flashplayer-mozilla but it could be clearer that that is indeed what needs to be used to in the install command... ok, my bad
19:28<livingdaylight>but geez it could be easier me thinks
19:29<themill>livingdaylight: dpkg's factoids have to be less than the IRC length limit. That's quite a challenge... If you can suggest a better wording, please do so.
19:29<panagos>why aren't i getting the plugins tab in konqueror's configuration window? i upgraded to kde4, and then downgraded again to 3
19:29<aadmin>I could type '-xserver-xorg-video-etc' before saying yes, but there are like 40 video drivers...
19:30<amphi>livingdaylight: flashplayer-mozilla is in debian unfree, not dmm, no?
19:30<themill>amphi: no
19:30<themill>livingdaylight: And btw it would be easier if adobe were to open source flash so that it could have proper security support from Debian. (read that bug log for why)
19:31<amphi>themill: ok - why is that?
19:31<livingdaylight>why is Firefox in Lenny called Iceweasel?
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19:31<themill>!tell livingdaylight about why iceweasel
19:32<livingdaylight>iceweasel is ff right?
19:32<themill>amphi: the package has different names on the two repos for historical reasons. flashplayer-mozilla on dmm and flashplugin-nonfree in etch (broken) and sid.
19:32<amphi>themill: ah, thanks
19:33<themill>amphi: it's a mess. Adobe keeps screwing up and making it very hard for distributors.
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19:33<amphi>you don't say :(
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19:33<themill>that's the polite way of putting it
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19:33<amphi>bastages -remember Sklyarov!
19:34<aadmin>Jeez, I have to type every driver I don't want. What a lame package manager.
19:34<livingdaylight>themill, well, that explains iceweasel then; i was wondering how i had never heard of it before and was furthermore musing how much it looked just like FF, :)
19:34<aadmin>I haven't been spending all weekend on this. Only to return to my nothing-but-computers job.
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19:34<dpkg>methinks mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis)
19:35<aadmin>Why this is a great way to spend a weekend!
19:35<aadmin>I just love typing xserver-xorg-video- so much.
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19:36<themill>dpkg: mp3 =~ s/., or/. Listening to mp3s can be/
19:36<dpkg>themill: OK
19:36<aadmin>Add on packages to install that the user never specified, even after they disabled reccommends and suggests. What a great idea!
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19:36<themill>dpkg: mp3 =~ s/, or patent/ because the algorithm is patent/
19:36<dpkg>themill: OK
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19:37<aadmin>Especially when they don't have an xserver-xorg, so they can't select all with the mouse, or copy and paste.
19:37<themill>dpkg: mp3 =~ s/about ogg vorbis/me about <ogg vorbis>/
19:37<dpkg>OK, themill
19:37<themill>there.. that was fun
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19:38<aadmin>Anyway, done typing.
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19:42<livingdaylight>should lenny be detecting my external usb harddrive?
19:42<livingdaylight>or do i have manually mount or something?
19:43<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
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19:43<dpkg>rumour has it, gnome-volume-manager is a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works
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19:46<livingdaylight>is there a how-to for adding username to plugdev>
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19:46<abrotman>man adduser
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19:46<themill>adduser livingday plugdev
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19:48<livingdaylight>seems i'm already a member of plugdev
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19:53<livingdaylight>its still not detecting external hard drive; oh, well...
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19:53<themill>"not detecting" isn't very helpful to us
19:54<livingdaylight>i don't know how else to put it
19:54<livingdaylight>themill, thank you for your help...
19:54<themill>livingdaylight: does the device appear in /dev? Is there log output in dmesg or in /var/log/{syslog,daemon.log)
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20:04<livingdaylight>themill, it seems to have recognized it, but i need to get some shut eye before i get up again in a few hours...
20:04<livingdaylight>but thanks for your help
20:05<themill>livingdaylight: good luck with it. Installing gnome-vol-man should be enough for you if you are running gnome stuff.
20:06<livingdaylight>thx amigo
20:06<livingdaylight>nite all
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20:08<gosam[TOP]>I know there's a debian-installer channel, but I didn't get any help there
20:08<gosam[TOP]>I'm trying to create a custom debian install CD, but I'm encoutering some problems
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20:09<gosam[TOP]>after partitioning, the installer complains that Packages and Packages.gz are corrupt, yet their MD5's are correct
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20:56<Thotter>In gpg, if I trust person a fully, and person a has singed the key of person b, and person b (who I don't know) signed the key of person c (who I also don't know). Will the key of person c be trusted by gpg?
20:56<Thotter>I mean, will it see it as valid?
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21:03<famelix>famelix_: where u from(de onde vc eh?)
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21:23<daf86>How can I secure tunnel all my traffic from Computer A to server B and the other way back?
21:23<amphi>will you leave 14 seconds after asking here, too? ;)
21:24<daf86>I can only join one channel? I am on a strange `irc` client
21:24<Supaplex>!pciid [8086:2926]
21:24<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 8086:2926 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
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21:26<Supaplex>bah. no 2.6.24 kernel here. humm
21:28<Supaplex>wahou. wget
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21:34<Xenguy>daf86: ssh ?
21:35<daf86>Xenguy: I am trying to configure a secure tunnel : Can you help me with this
21:36<Xenguy>daf86: the best idea is to just find a 'tutorial' or 'howto', e.g. google ssh tunnel tutorial debian
21:37*Xenguy tries himself...
21:45<Supaplex>!custom d-i
21:45<dpkg>i heard custom d-i is, or
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21:55<matthewpoer>My T21 has a the "Blink of Death" and so I am planning to trade up soon. I would like suggestions on a light and portable notebook with a reasonable amount of power and good Linux-compatibility.
21:55<matthewpoer>or, of course, a cure for the t-series blink of death...
21:55<E0x>i think the X60 have a linux option
21:55<E0x>or X61
21:56<E0x>( thinkpad )
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21:57<matthewpoer>Right. Those look really nice, too. I'm a bit worried, after this BoD issue, that other thinkpads will have similar unresolveable or difficult problems. It seems that every thinkpad series has its own issue.
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23:13<arturodiaz_>im going to install debian in a macbook, any advice>
23:15<Xenguy>yeah, google is yer friend ;-)
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23:29<arturodiaz_>got a intel mac
23:30<arturodiaz_>i already found some docs in internet about it, sounds like is not very easy
23:30<arturodiaz_>does anybody knows how much does the battery lasts in the macbook?
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23:32<nomadium>arturodiaz_: why don't you read
23:32<arturodiaz_>already went through it
23:32<nomadium>fine the info is already there
23:33<arturodiaz_>i was searching for someone who can tell by its own experience
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23:34<nomadium>i have a macbook but i never installed linux, i don't have the need (yet)
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23:35<nomadium>i run linux virtualized on that machine...
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23:43<claudia>hi all!
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23:46<nomadium>hi there
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