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00:12<dave_>witch better xmms or amarok?
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00:30*Killing_Frost eyes the topic. Does either one work with gnome-orca?
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00:38<morbid>I have a problem about finding suitiable repositories... I searched through google, but couldn't find a tidy title about this issue... So I added almost 20 repository addresses in my sources.list file... I wonder if that'S something ok? Maybe having too many repositories is bad for me... I don't know about it...and I have a problem with my graphic card, I have fx5500 I tried to install the driver for it, but I see warnings that libgtk must be higher than
00:38<morbid>2.0 or something like this...
00:38<Killing_Frost>Anyone feel like bashing Mickeysoft? Apple? Coleco Adam?
00:39<morbid>any one have an idea about this
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00:40*Killing_Frost just uses the VESA drivers for his unsupported graphics card.
00:41<dondelelcaro>morbid: adding more entries to your sources.list isn't going to do anythinng for you
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00:42<morbid>dondelelcaro: you have any favourite one? because when look for something, it returns I couldn't find the xxx package... etc. so I wonder if there is famous, huge repo which includes almost all the packages?
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00:42<dondelelcaro>morbid: pick a Debian mirror which is close to you and use it
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00:44<dondelelcaro>(all Debian mirrors include all of the packages in Debian)
00:44<morbid>thank you very much
00:45<morbid>one last question
00:45<morbid>here I found the debian mirror
00:45<morbid>so if I want to add this into my sources.list
00:45<morbid>I will just add "deb" to the beggining right?
00:45<Supaplex>!tell morbid -about sources.list
00:46<Supaplex>deb url:// dist section ...
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01:50<Slydder>anyone here tried terminator yet?
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01:59<phorce1>Slydder: the description looks like screen to me. I just use screen.
02:03<Slydder>phorce1: are we talking about the same terminator?
02:03<Slydder>nothing like screen.
02:05<jm_>it's more like splitvt
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03:15<sheriff_p>If I tried to install a package with apt, and it failed, how do I stop apt trying to reinstall it (and dying) every time I run apt?
03:16<jm_>uninstall it
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03:22<phorce1>Slydder: Looks like we're talking about the same thing. I was going by the 'apt-cache show terminator' description. I like my terminals to be full screen so the screenshots of terminator in action just look like a mess to me.
03:23<Slydder>i like the tabplay branch. supports tabs and splits so I have 10 server connections open atm and i just click on the tab that i need for whatever server.
03:24<phorce1>I am also a sysadmin and I open one user term window and one root term window then run screen in each of those so I have multiple VTs available with a quick CTRL-A-#. I only usually have multiple term windows open if I am ssh'd into another box where I am also running screen on the remote machine.
03:24<jm_>uhm tabbed terminals have been available long before this
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03:25<phorce1>I try to just make sure I name my term windows then ALT-TAB works for switching
03:25<jm_>you can set tab titles in most of them anyway
03:25<azreal>ok, so can someone tell me the best way to do the following, i set up xdmcp to work with a remote machine X server. i have 2 instances of X running localy :0 and :1, what would be the most practical way to enable drag and drop between the 2 machines from either desktop, say a folder either "host1" host2" depending on which X session im useing?
03:25*phorce1 dislikes rodents. If I can do it from the keyboard, I do.
03:26<azreal>im assumeing this can be accomplished with ssh, is it like a tunnel? or, someone suggest a howto for me to read?
03:27<azreal>to elaborate, i want to copy files from the remote, with drag and drop, to a folder which would be say, my local home directory
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03:27<phorce1>azreal: Use a file manager that does visual sshfs connections. I'm using nautilus
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03:28<azreal>phorce1: nautilus is the default one thats running on both, so ill have a look at the settings :)
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03:29<phorce1>azreal: click FILE --> Connect To Server
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03:30<azreal>phorce1: ahh, thanx
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03:31<phorce1>azreal: Then just type the username/pass for the remote ssh server. If it's a secure machine you can save the connection/password and have it appear in the left location bar for easy access.
03:32*phorce1 just figured all this out last week while lamenting the lack of something like "winscp" for my X machine.
03:32<phorce1>this is much better
03:33<volkov>I have an error with mounting share on new installed PC. When installing d-i didn't find eth and I config /etc/network/interfaces -file manualy.
03:33<volkov>other PCs mount that share normally
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03:33<jm_>what error?
03:34<volkov>wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock...
03:34<azreal>phorce1: hey thanx for the tip, this is very useful, i actually started playing with this again, because i was checking out Xwin32 from windows, and i really didnt understand how xdmcp worked, so that lead me to reading alot of docs, and i was happy to learn alot about some other stuff in the process
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03:36<jm_>volkov: how and what are you mounting?
03:36<s_i_m>volkov, do you mean a network share?
03:36<phorce1>azreal: I set up NX to use from a Windows box but have significantly curbed my Windows use since I installed it. Only a couple of things I need Win for (mainly a couple of sites that insist on IE and I don't feel like fiddling with WINE
03:36<volkov>jm_: mount servername:/sharename mountpoint
03:37<volkov>s_i_m: yes
03:37<jm_>volkov: that's for NFS, is servername running NFS server?
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03:37<volkov>jm_: yes. other PSs mount that share normally w/o problems
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03:38<jm_>volkov: run 'showmount -e server ; rpcinfo -p server' from your client
03:38<jm_>volkov: also grep nfs /rpoc/filesystems
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03:40<volkov>showmount -- show share; rpcinfo -- show many lines, include 6 lines with "nfs" word; grep -- "nodev nfs" and "nodev nfs4" lines
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03:40<woden>How do I reinstall grub to the mbr using my Debian installer CD?
03:41<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
03:41<volkov>jm_: ^^^^^
03:41<jm_>volkov: what deos kernel say when you run mount? dmesg shall tell you
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03:41<jm_>woden: you can also use rescue mode of the d-i CD, press F1 for help
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03:42<woden>jm_: I tried that and I got this message: /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
03:42<woden>jm_: I tried the rescue mode and got "Error 1"
03:42<azreal>phorce1: i play alot of games, mostly MMORPG's, so i want to be able to have my linux box separate for most other stuff, and still be able to fully access it
03:42<jm_>woden: looks like devfs crap, try the above manual procedure
03:43<volkov>jm_: at first try: "RPC: Registered udp transport module" and "RPC: Registered tcp transport module". At next times before reboot - nothing
03:43<woden>jm_: Sorry, I mean, I tried the manual procedure above and I got that "...corresponding BIOS drive" error.
03:43<jm_>woden: try using grub-install --recheck
03:43<jm_>volkov: and nothing else? that doesn't sound right
03:44<woden>jm_: after running the last update-grub?
03:44<volkov>jm_: dmesg say many things, but I only say, that appear when mounting
03:44<jm_>woden: no need to run that
03:45<woden>jm_: I installed Debian first, then Vista onto another partition. So I need to reinstall grub to the MBR using my debian installer CD.
03:45<jm_>volkov: did you try explicitely using -t nfs?
03:45<jm_>woden: yes, use --recheck option
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03:46<volkov>jm_: nothing changes
03:46<raphink>hi guys
03:47<raphink>has anyone ever used /etc/hushlogins instead of ~/.hushlogin ?
03:47<jm_>volkov: that doesn't make much sense, you should see something more useful somewhere
03:47<woden>jm_: Use the --recheck option at what point? Like this: "mount /proc ; grub-install --recheck /dev/sda && update-grub" ?
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03:47<jm_>woden: yes
03:48<woden>okay I'll try brb
03:48<volkov>jm_: eer, what You mean? explain, pls.
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03:48<jm_>volkov: well you should see some error like RPC: not registered or permission denied or somesuch
03:49<volkov>jm_: dmesg | grep error - nothing
03:49<jm_>volkov: run dmesg > /tmp/d1.txt ; mount ... ; dmesg > /tmp/d2.txt ; diff /tmp/d?.txt
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03:50<s_i_m>volkov, btw, do you have nfs-common and portmap installed on that machine?
03:50<s_i_m>on the client?
03:50<volkov>s_i_m: yes
03:51<volkov>jm_: there are same
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03:52<volkov>I install debian using testing netinstall cd
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03:53<volkov>kernel 2.6.24-1-686
03:54<woden>jm_: I did the --recheck and got the same error "...disc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive".
03:54<cool_sun>hi all, is there any CU based web browser
03:54<cool_sun>hi all, is there any CUI based web browser
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03:55<volkov>jm_: ee... I downgrade "mount" package for "stable" version. And it mounted =\
03:55<volkov>jm_, s_i_m: thx for help
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03:58<jm_>woden: do you see files in /dev in your chroot? did you chroot at all?
03:58<jm_>volkov: huh
03:58<woden>jm_: I didn't look in my /dev, but I did do the "chroot /target" command
03:59<woden>jm_: Btw, is it normal to mkdir /target in order to do the "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda2 /target" ?
03:59<jm_>woden: check if /dev is populated, also cat /proc/partitions
03:59<jm_>woden: yes
03:59<woden>okay brb
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04:04<woden>jm_: /dev is populated but /proc is empty
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04:04<jm_>woden: well but you are mounting that
04:04<woden>jm_: yea, that doesn't sound right
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04:05<jm_>woden: did you mount it?
04:05<woden>jm_: oops
04:05<woden>I don't know if I did the ls /proc before or after mounting it
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04:10<woden>jm_: Yes /dev and /proc are both populated
04:10<jm_>woden: what's in your /proc/partitions?
04:10<woden>lots of stuff
04:10<jm_>not very helpful :P
04:10<woden>oh wait /partitions? I have to check on that. brb again.
04:11<woden>what are you looking for in particular in /proc/partitions?
04:11<jm_>that will show us which device is your disk known as
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04:11<cesurasea1>where my linux niggas at?
04:11<woden>jm_: k
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04:12<amphi>cesurasea1: I can't say I've seen them lying about anywhere
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04:17<woden>jm_: Okay I got the info from the /proc/partitions file
04:17<jm_>woden: and?
04:17<woden>jm_: it says my sda is equal to 312571224
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04:18<woden>jm_: What do I do with this information?
04:19<jm_>woden: so it's sda -- what's in /boot/grub/
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04:19<woden>jm_: Sorry, I don't understand what you just said.
04:20<jm_>woden: also, did you try /usr/sbin/grub-install --recheck /dev/sda ?
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04:21<woden>jm_: I just did "grub-install --recheck /dev/sda", not "/usr/sbin/grub-install --recheck /dev/sda". And it ended up giving me the same error about the BIOS drive.
04:21<jm_>woden: do you have a separate boot partition?
04:22<woden>jm_: No.
04:22<woden>jm_: Everything is under / except for the swap partition of course
04:23<jm_>woden: let me see
04:24<jm_>woden: have you ever used grub-install --recheck '(hd0)' ?
04:24<woden>jm_: no I have not
04:24<jm_>woden: can you try that?
04:24<woden>sure brb
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04:30<woden>jm_: I tried grub-install --recheck '(hd0)' and it gave the same error about the BIOS drive.
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04:32<jm_>woden: I will have to figure out grub-install script, but have to run somewhere now, will you be here in 45-60min?
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04:32<woden>ok thanks for the help
04:32<woden>i think so yes
04:33<jm_>the thing is grub is creating and then can't map installation device to it, so we will have to debug why
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04:52<badana>hi guys
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05:10<grub>hello, i am on debian testing. I installed flashplayer-mozilla, and it by default removed flashplugin-nonfree which was apparently installed on my system. But ever since, whenever i open website, mozilla crashes saying gecko crashed. Any ideas?
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05:13<sidgyck>grub: works fine.
05:14<grub>yes, i am using that currently. But any ideas about why gecko crashes?
05:14<chealer>grub: where did you get it from?
05:14<grub>should i paste the bug-report?
05:15<grub>get what from? the error?
05:15<chealer>grub: no, the package
05:15<grub>debian repos
05:16<chealer>grub: which version do you have?
05:16<grub>lenny? if thats what you are asking
05:17<chealer>grub: your flashplayer-mozilla version
05:17<grub>and flashplayer-mozilla is
05:17<grub>no wait
05:17<chealer>grub: which APT source did you download that from?
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05:17<grub>i got that from debian-multimedia
05:17<chealer>grub: ask debian-multimedia
05:17<grub>oh, do they have a channel too?
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05:18<jm_>check their web page and find out
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05:18<grub>doing that, thanks for the help though
05:20<sidgyck>grub: I have iceweasel and flashplayer 9 from adobe. Maybe you need an upgrade from ?
05:21<jm_>you should pay attention, he explicitely said "I installed flashplayer-mozilla, and it by default removed flashplugin-nonfree which was apparently installed on my system."
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05:23*grub nods
05:23<sidgyck>jm_: ok, I got. But adobe stuff works fine. :-)
05:24<jm_>sidgyck: FSVO fine anyway
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05:38<woden>jm_: Got any clues about installing grub to the MBR with Debian installer CD?
05:38<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
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05:39<jm_>woden: ok let's check it
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05:40<woden>petemc: maybe you can help also. I did that !fixmbr and got this error: /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
05:40<jm_>woden: run it with --debug
05:40<jm_>woden: and --recheck too
05:41<woden>jm_: ok so just add --debug after the --recheck?
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05:41<jm_>woden: yes, it will print a lot of output, it would be nice to see it
05:41<jm_>i.e. >/tmp/foo 2>&1 and then access it from this working system
05:42<jm_>is this windows?
05:42<woden>yes unfortunately
05:42<jm_>use explore2fs
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05:45<woden>so the output will be saved to /tmp/foo even after a reboot?
05:45<woden>ok I'll work on that
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05:49<Batch>Hi, what can i use to run .avi movies?
05:50<Batch>xine segfaults >_<
05:51<amphi>mplayer works well for me; what's in the avi?
05:51<Batch>A movie
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05:52<Batch>Kidulthood to be specific
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05:53<amphi>I meant, what codecs (codices?) - file(1) would tell you
05:53<woden>jm_: Okay I created /tmp/foo how do I access it from vista?
05:54<jm_>woden: explore2fs
05:54<chealer>Batch: any video player which supports it. for example a xine-based player, likely
05:54<Batch>I would use xine, but it segfaults
05:54<Batch>The same with mplayer
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05:55<lupine_85>tried vlc?
05:55<Batch>Nope, I'll try that out ;D
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05:58<woden>jm_: I'm not seeing my linux partition
05:59<jm_>woden: hmm maybe it doesn't work in vista
05:59<woden>jm_: I'll try the beta version
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06:00<jm_>woden: another similar thing is fsdext2 or
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06:01<Batch>lupine_85, Worked great, tyvm
06:01<Batch>Now i just need it to display the movie.. Not just the sound xD
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06:03<woden>jm_: I installed fsdext2 and it made my linux partition the L: drive, but when I click on it it wants to format the drive.
06:03<Batch>lupine_85, Do you know if it supports XviD codec?
06:04<jm_>woden: try that other thing then - fsdext2 works for me in XP
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06:05<lupine_85>Batch: it supports every codec under the sun, as long as you've got the libraries
06:05<Batch>Oh i see
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06:06<Batch>I'm guessing i need this package: avifile-xvid-plugin
06:07<lupine_85>yeah, that should do it
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06:12<Batch>Hrm, Just seems to want to play sound.
06:13<baaziz>problme affichage
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06:14<baaziz>display bugs
06:14<woden>Where is the fsdext2 homepage
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06:15<mib_newgxppi>hi people, I need to see the history of one TTY
06:15<Batch>Thanks for your help
06:15<Batch>im out, peace
06:15<mib_newgxppi>somebody knows where is saved?
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06:16<mib_newgxppi>i'm in tty0 and i need to read the history of tty1
06:16<woden>jm_: I'm trying to figure out how this fsdext2 works
06:17<jm_>woden: wait, I meant ext2ifs, sorry
06:17<jm_>woden: fsdext2 is some old thing
06:17<jm_>mib_newgxppi: you mean shell history?
06:17<woden>jm_: Yes that's the one. Tried that and it didn't work. It wants to format the L: drive
06:18<mib_newgxppi>yes jm_ but not my bash_history, I need to read another tty bash_history
06:19<jm_>woden: hmm I am not sure if it's the same
06:19<jm_>mib_newgxppi: enable logging of history commands then use cat
06:19<jm_>woden: that's the one I am using
06:19<mib_newgxppi>jm_: do you know how to change to another tty by ssh?
06:20<mib_newgxppi>i'm using tty0 and I need to use tty1 and see the history
06:21<jm_>mib_newgxppi: you can't do that - tty is a physical tty, what are you trying to do?
06:21<jm_>or rather associate with console
06:22<mib_newgxppi>jm_: one user has done something in one server as root using tty1, and now I need to see this bash_history to repair the error
06:23<mib_newgxppi>jm_: because if I can't see the history, is too dificult to see the mistake
06:23<woden>jm_: When I go to step 2 of the "service" installer program, it says no ext2 volumes found.
06:23<jm_>mib_newgxppi: two options - 1) if history is logged to a file, simply check the file, 2) if not, you'll have to use a debugger, not trivial
06:23<mib_newgxppi>jm_: sorry for my bad english
06:23<jm_>woden: I had that issue too
06:24<Gekz>is ext4 stable yet?
06:24<mib_newgxppi>jm_: how can I know if history is logged tu a file?
06:25<woden>jm_: on step 2b it shows ext3 device \Device\Harddisk0\Partition2
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06:26<woden>jm_: When I try to install the driver it says
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06:26<woden>The file name you specified is not valid or too long. Specify a different file name. ext2fsnt5chk.sys
06:26<mib_newgxppi>jm_: I thank the history allways was logged to a file :-(
06:26<jm_>mib_newgxppi: check startup files if it's enabled
06:27<mib_newgxppi>startup files...
06:27<mib_newgxppi>I will look for
06:27<jm_>woden: there's a new tab where you can do it, but I forgot the details (this was way over 2 years ago)
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06:27<jm_>I know cause I mailed the author and then he added that
06:28<woden>jm_: Yea I just saw it on his website, it's a special version
06:29<woden>jm_: but it's not working
06:29<jm_>woden: bummer
06:30<woden>no kidding
06:30<woden>I'll just have to nuke my Debian and install fresh all over again
06:30<jm_>naah, just grab grub floppy/CD and we'll fix it
06:31<woden>what's grub CD?
06:32<jm_>you can also configure vista bootloader to start Linux
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06:32<woden>jm_: yea, but I don't want to use vista bootloader because each time my kernel changes I have to manually change things
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06:33<jm_>woden: right
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06:34<woden>I'll have to check back later thanks for the help
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07:17<fabio>salut ya des francais?
07:19<alephnull>fabio: #debian-fr
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07:41<lucas2>Good afternoon - I have a question about the r8169 kernel driver
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07:42<lucas2>I have problems using my RTL8169 network card
07:42<lucas2>Now I understand that in recent kernel versions the r8169 driver has been patched quite extensively
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07:43<lucas2>So I want to replace it in my Etch installation
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07:43<avtobiff>replace what
07:43<lucas2>Question: should I use the most recent kernel version or should I use the driver that Realtek provides oon its site?
07:43<lucas2>replace the driver :)
07:44<lucas2>I currently use the standard kernel
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07:44<jm_>lucas2: the former
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07:45<lucas2>jm_: ok, next question: can I copy the r8169 driver from the latest kernel in the 2.6.18 kernel sources?
07:46<jm_>lucas2: you have my permission!
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07:48<lucas2>ok, next question: I wish to use the r8169 driver that is provided with the latest kernel version
07:48<lucas2>Can I copy the source file in the 2.6.18 source tree that is provided by Debian?
07:48<jm_>lucas2: you have my permission!
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07:49<lucas2>jm_: ok! I just wish to avoid replacing the entire kernel
07:50<jm_>lucas2: it will very likely not work
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07:50<lucas2>So I will need to replace the entire kernel?
07:50<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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08:28<creeed>I have boot-troubles after upgrading my system: my grub menu was changed, I had 2 boot-entries the first `linux' the second for `other OS', after the upgrade is the first boot-entry a `mem-test', the second is unchanged. so I change to grub command line I do `kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2' then `boot' after loading the kernel, the root partition was not found so I get a kernel panic! the root partition that I gave is right and as lo
08:28<creeed>oked into /dev/ from the grub comamnd line I found no sda*-block files! any help please
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08:29<jm_>creeed: make sure to also specify initred
08:29<creeed>initrd is the path to the kernel
08:29<jm_>no it's not
08:30<creeed>okay I try
08:31<jm_>initrd is named initrd-* usually
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08:33<creeed>I get now a kernel panic with another error: try passing init= option to kernel
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08:34<creeed>should I give the initrd with any options?
08:34<jm_>what is in your meni.lst now?
08:34<creeed>I just made initrd /boot/initrd.img...
08:34<jm_>menu.lst even
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08:35<engl>How can I switch the kezboard lazout from english to other language under X ?
08:35<engl>console is ok...
08:35<creeed>mem-test and other OS
08:35<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment).
08:36<jm_>so you are booting using manually (i.e. 'c' in grub)?
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08:36<creeed>jm_, yes
08:36<creeed>I have no choice
08:37<jm_>creeed: ok do it like this: root (hdX,Y) ; kernel /boot/vmlinuz-<tab> root=/dev/foo ; initrd /boot/initrd-<tab> and pick matching one ; boot
08:37<creeed>I did but I try again
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08:38<jm_>you need to do it with the right commands - make sure it says loading initrd
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08:40<creeed>*failed to execute /init; Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init=option to kernel
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08:41<jm_>do you have a /boot partition?
08:42<creeed>it was everything bevor apgrading! how can I find it out if a had one?
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08:43<jm_>well how many does grub show if you use tab?
08:43<creeed>I dont see my partition-files on /dev!
08:44<creeed>no block-oriented files to my harddrive!
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08:44<jm_>uhm you see it in grub: root(hd0,<tab><tab>
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08:45<amphi>creeed: are you in the grub shell?
08:45<jm_>I think he's in initramfs mini shell
08:45<amphi>oh - I've never been there ;)
08:46<creeed>jm_, I see it as 0x83 type but not as block-file
08:46<creeed>amphi, yes I am
08:46<jm_>creeed: in grub?
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08:46<creeed>yes I'm always in grub command line
08:47<jm_>how many does it list as 0x83?
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08:47<amphi>creeed: you should see device files in /dev/.static/dev
08:47<creeed>Partiotion num: 1, Filesystem type is ext2fs, partiotion type 0x83
08:47<creeed>just like that
08:47<jm_>so just 1 ?
08:47<s_i_m>guys, you must see it: whois
08:48<creeed>jm_, I see more, but this entry is for my root partition
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08:48<creeed>amphi, I look into /dev/.static/dev
08:48<jm_>creeed: are you absolutely sure it is the right one?
08:48<creeed>yes I am
08:49<jm_>so what are you typing in grub (exactly)?
08:49<amphi>s_i_m: those crazy .ua people, eh?
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08:50<creeed>jm_, root (hd0,1) that should my root partion I found it out on typing `find [file on root-partition]'
08:51<creeed>kernel /boot/vmlinuz* root=/dev/sda2 <-- my root-partition as I know it from the partition-table, I looked into /etc/fstab to make sure
08:52<RichiH>a quick and easy way to find all softlinks on a system is?
08:52<creeed>initrd /boot/initrd*
08:52<creeed>then boot
08:52<jm_>creeed: use tab completion to get proper filenames
08:52<jm_>RichiH: find can do that
08:52<creeed>yes I do
08:53<jm_>creeed: has this kernel & initrd worked before?
08:53<creeed>just yesterday
08:53<jm_>well so it's either corrupted now or you have hardware problems
08:54<creeed>I made an upgrade yesterday and I just let the system up so I wanna restart today the computer and I get the troubles
08:54<jm_>did it upgrade the kernel?
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08:54<creeed>no I have the same kernel
08:55<jm_>it might have upgraded some other tools that is causing problems then - which date does initrd file have?
08:55<creeed>but the menu-lst of grub
08:55<creeed>I dont know, how can I find it out?
08:56<creeed>I use just the grub command line!
08:56<jm_>hmm it doesn't have a command like stat
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08:57<jm_>do you even see it loading any modules?
08:57<RichiH>jm_: ta
08:57<creeed>I dont think so
08:58<creeed>when is that?
08:58<creeed>loading modules?
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09:00<jm_>after it loads initrd
09:00<jm_>and kernel mounts / on it
09:00<jm_>RichiH: -lname or so
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09:02<creeed>so I think the problem is resolved!!!
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09:02<dpkg>our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt)
09:02<jm_>you do?
09:03<XoX>does the kernel do a scan on all the hardware on boot?
09:04<XoX>how does it know which module to load
09:04<creeed>that was 2 initrd-files on /boot the first with .bak the second without, I booted always with the second as I tried with initrd*.bak-file it goes!
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09:05<jm_>creeed: I told you you need to use the right one!
09:05<jm_>XoX: udev does, not kernel
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09:05<creeed>jm_, thanks bru for your support!
09:06<XoX>jm_: but udevd listens for uevents from the kernel
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09:07<creeed>you make an amazing-service! my God blesse this palce!
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09:07<XoX>jm_: udev loads the module?
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09:11<jm_>XoX: check your boot log
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09:13<XoX>jm_: what's the name of the log
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09:13*latitude disappeared in this dimension...
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09:16<jm_>XoX: /var/log/boot if you have it enabled
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09:21<k-man>is there an easy to use tool that can monitor the connection between my host and another? like ping but will give me reports on downtime?
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09:56<motorola>i need help installing mysql 4 server on etch
09:56<motorola>when i do apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 it installs 5.0 instedad
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09:57<the-dude>that's a dummy package
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09:59<arturo>i installed debian on my mac on a separate partition and i cant get it to work
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09:59<arturo>it just does not boot from that partition
09:59<the-dude>what kind of mac?
09:59<arturo>its a c2d macbook
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10:00<arturo>right now it boots to leopard only
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10:00<arturo>i installed refit
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10:00<arturo>but it did not worked
10:01<arturo>does anybody knows ways to make it bootable for os x?
10:01<the-dude>which how to did you follow?
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10:02<the-dude>perhaps this might give you some hint
10:02<the-dude>arturo: see
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10:04<arturo>i tried installing lilo
10:04<arturo>but it did not worked
10:05<arturo>does anybody knows ways to make it bootable for os x
10:05<arturo>sorry about last message
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10:05<arturo>it produced a fatal error while installing lilo
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10:06<the-dude>like what?
10:06<arturo>it said "Fatal error"
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10:07<arturo>i wish i could someway make os x recognize ext3 file system therefore making recognizable and bootable for osx
10:08<the-dude>I don't think that will be the problem
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10:10<arturo>it worked
10:10<arturo>just for the log
10:11<amphi>arturo: no one's ported the driver to darwin?
10:11<arturo>i installed ext2 filesystem in mac os x
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10:12<arturo>and then rebooted and refit bootloader appeared and i boot from it to debian
10:12<arturo>right now i think there is a problem with debian instalation but that is another thing
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10:17<arturo>when starting debian it stops at /efi/debian/initrd.img
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10:20<arturo>does anybody knows what does that mean?
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10:21<the-dude>what happens before it stops?
10:22<arturo>it says efi boot
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10:22<arturo>then loading efi/debian/initrd.img
10:22<arturo>then it simply stops
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10:57<padski>like indent but for xml ?
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11:01<weld>hi.. i'm on testing and and i compiled the alsa driver for my sound card (snd_hda_intel) manually as the old kernel didn't yet incude the needed alsa version. now that the right version is in 2.6.24-1-686, after booting this kernel alsa doesn't work.. dmesg says:snd_hda_intel: 'disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_new... '
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11:02<weld>did the manual alsa installation cause some confusion?
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11:08<s_i_m>weld, did you remove your manually compiled driver?
11:08<weld>s_i_m: no =]
11:09<weld>i thought that would be overwriten
11:09<s_i_m>remove it
11:09<weld>ok, thanks
11:10<s_i_m>well, it was just a guess, no warranty of immediate success here =)
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11:19<weld>s_i_m: thanks, it's working now :)
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11:43<MartinVW>hello... I'm attempting to build my own package for freeradius, by compiling it from source using dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc. The problem is: if this package is put in my companies apt repository, the package will conflict with the freeradius package from debian, won't it?
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11:50<knoppix_>was machst du
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11:59<ruoso>anyone experiencing installation issues in etch?
12:01<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
12:01<Supaplex>if they are, that's the place to look. show us your install woes at
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12:05<fxiny>Supaplex: i've tried openbox but ... how can i say . is is... , can't find a word for it :P
12:05<fxiny>fluxbox rulez
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12:05<Supaplex>so openbox leaves you speechless ;)
12:06<fxiny>Supaplex: yes :)
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12:09<fxiny>dwm is more intriguing then openbox . first run put your mouth in a typical curry mode :P
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12:12<Supaplex>looks like an odd critter. neat...
12:12<fxiny>it is perfect for damned visitors
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12:14<fxiny>i wanna look into it cause has a different approach . flux is too easy
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12:14<fxiny>someone suggested dwm yesterday in chan . not too bad
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12:22<grub>hello, is unrar-free broken?
12:23<grub>i am on etch
12:23<grub>i am trying to extract archives with unrar-free -x archive.rar and i am getting FAILED
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12:25<cahoot>not a matter of the rar needing non-free unrar?
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12:33<chealer>grub: did you check the BTS?
12:34<chealer>ruoso: just ask your question
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12:40<alternativename>Could anybody tell me how to fix mount positions?
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12:41<alternativename>because my hd partition changed, and now it wont work
12:42<fxiny>edit fstab
12:42<cahoot>use dev-by-uuid?
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12:43<alternativename>hmm is it possible to do it in the limited console?
12:44<alternativename>because the swap etc changed names, so im stuck to a limited console
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12:47<alternativename>hmm cant find the command to edit a file -.-
12:47<azeem>try nano
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12:47<azeem>alternativename: oh, you're dropped to the initramfs shell?
12:48<azeem>alternativename: try to mount your / manually, then edit fstab
12:48<fxiny>any known exploit around ? i'm getting too many telnet attempts since last week
12:48<azeem>alternativename: then, read up on referencing partitions in fstab by id not by partition number
12:49<alternativename>even grub didnt work anymore after that, every partitition went down by one, just managed to fix grub a few days ago
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12:50<alternativename>azeem: i need to use VI or VIM to edit fstab?
12:50<azeem>alternativename: no, you can use echo or cat es well, but that's in destructive mode
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12:51<jaakko>alternativename: if vim drives you crazy, use nano
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12:51<azeem>18:46 < azeem> alternativename: oh, you're dropped to the initramfs shell?
12:52<jaakko>alternativename: then it is only "vi"
12:52<alternativename>well going to boot into linux and try if I can fix it
12:52<azeem>awesome, didn't know it was included
12:52<alternativename>cya all
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12:53<Supaplex>real men can use tab completion alone in grub ;)
12:53<Supaplex>!eat menu.lst
12:53*dpkg eats menu.lst, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* and catches Mad Cow Disease
12:53<fxiny>!beer Supaplex
12:53*dpkg pulls out an excellent Spaten Pils for Supaplex
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12:57<fxiny>real BOFH always impress windoze users by tabbing in a grub cli :P
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13:02<Vasiliy_>Can you help me, I can't enter my login, because I can't change keyboard layout
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13:03<Vasiliy_>Can I enter symbols like in Windows ALT+0160, ALT+0151?
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13:03<Vasiliy_>is there similar way in linux?
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13:07<chealer>Vasiliy_: which display manager do you use?
13:07<azeem>do you mean window manager?
13:08<Vasiliy_>there Crtl+Alt+K switches layout, but when layout is RU, the Ctrl+Alt+K does'nt work
13:08<Vasiliy_>because K becames russian Л
13:08<chealer>Vasiliy_: which Debian suite do you use?
13:08<Vasiliy_>last release
13:08<chealer>Vasiliy_: can you go to the control center?
13:09<Vasiliy_>no, I can't even login to system from console mode
13:09<Vasiliy_>I can't enter my login
13:09<Vasiliy_>because it contains latin characters
13:09<chealer>Vasiliy_: is kdm the display manager that you use?
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13:10<Vasiliy_>I don't really know, all I know is that I have installed the xserver-system then kde
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13:11<chealer>Vasiliy_: does the display manager ask for your username, then, in a different screen, your password, or does it ask both at the same time?
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13:11<Vasiliy_>it writes in text mode: Debian login:
13:11<Vasiliy_>then password:
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13:12<Vasiliy_>I can't type my right login, because I can't change layout
13:12<chealer>Vasiliy_: oh. so you have nothing "graphical"?
13:12<weasel>and what is your username?
13:12<s_i_m>Vasiliy_, your problem is that your login contains russian characters?
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13:13<Vasiliy_>my username is Auslese
13:13<EmleyMoor>How can I get googleearth to work on stable?
13:14<Vasiliy_>you see, my login contains only latin characters
13:14<fxiny>GoogleEarthLinux.bin ?
13:14<Vasiliy_>but I can't type latin characters
13:14<Vasiliy_>because my default keyboard layout is RU
13:14<EmleyMoor>fxiny: You mean a local install?
13:15<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i have that binary in my home since ages
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13:16<EmleyMoor>fxiny: I guess it's an old one then... I'm having trouble because of new ones
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13:17<fxiny>must be the old one . grabbing a new in a minute
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13:18<fxiny>EmleyMoor: beta 2 ?
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13:18<chealer>Vasiliy_: I'm 97% sure there's no similar way
13:19<EmleyMoor>Ummm... whatever was currently available last time I tried - let me check
13:19<EmleyMoor>4.2 beta
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13:21<alternativename>mount -t ext2 /dev/hda5 /
13:21<alternativename>this should be a correct command?
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13:22<EmleyMoor>fxiny: I will describe my problem shortly and see if you concur
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13:23<EmleyMoor>"could not access the graphics card" - either not powerful enough or drivers not installed correctly. For more information see here; (no more)
13:23<fxiny>EmleyMoor: works fine
13:23<Vasiliy_>so, I need to reinstall my Debian?
13:24<EmleyMoor>fxiny: What are you using, graphics card wise?
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13:24<fxiny>a crap card , i've seen a warning but is ok
13:24<EmleyMoor>This isn't a warning, it's a "no way"
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13:25<alternativename>ipv6 adress? :O
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13:25<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i can run in this slow box too (pII 400 class '98) if i shutdown apps
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13:25<chealer>Vasiliy_: if you don't mind, how did you install it? you chose a russian layout, then you entered a latin username? so the installer didn't use the russian layout yet?
13:25<EmleyMoor>fxiny: How do I tell why it's complaining
13:26<Vasiliy_>I have installed it with EN default layout
13:26<Vasiliy_>Then, I have reconfigured xserver
13:26<Vasiliy_>with RU as default layout
13:26<fxiny>EmleyMoor: pop ups warnings when installling it
13:26<fxiny>just that , then it runs slow but ok
13:26<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Nothing untoward happened during the install. It's run it won't/
13:27<fxiny>EmleyMoor: 789f438a999dfb157dc89eaa90388ac4 GoogleEarthLinux.bin
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13:28<chealer>Vasiliy_: X11's configuration has no impact on the keyboard layout in consoles. are you sure you did nothing else that could have changed the keyboard layout in consoles?
13:28<fxiny>EmleyMoor: works pretty nice
13:29<EmleyMoor>md5sum matches. It installs. It fails to run with signal 11 and gives me a stacktrace and a crashlog
13:29<Vasiliy_>I'm sure
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13:29<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i'm running it on stable
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13:29<EmleyMoor>fxiny: I'm trying to, without success
13:29<Vasiliy_>I've just made dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:30<chealer>Vasiliy_: did you ask #debian-russian ?
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13:30<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Unless it wants something I haven't got (and I don't know what) I can't see why it's failing for me
13:33<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i'm running it on a kde box
13:33<EmleyMoor>fxiny: I'm predominantly gnome
13:33<fxiny>lemme check a gnome
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13:35<Supaplex>there goes the-last-samurai. maybe it's time to apt-get a new one.
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13:39<fxiny>EmleyMoor: in gnome just one pop up about bitstream vera , i don't have it . works flawlessy
13:39<EmleyMoor>Doesn't work for me
13:39<sasha>hi i don t know what happens but since some times , each time i start a java program i have only a blank windows that hangs on ? any idea ?
13:40<EmleyMoor>Pops up that it can't access the graphics card
13:40<fxiny>EmleyMoor: this time said nothing about my low level graphic card
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13:40<EmleyMoor>It always says something about mine and refuses to go further
13:41<fxiny>EmleyMoor: loads of line on gnome terminal after closing it
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13:41<fxiny>accorinf to those lines it crashed when closing
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13:42<fxiny>EmleyMoor: but they are wrong casue it works again
13:42<EmleyMoor>I don't mind it crashing when closing, as long as it works up until then - mine crashes on closing but also fails to work anyway
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13:43<linux>who speak spanish
13:43<fxiny>EmleyMoor: there is a nice icon on gnome desktop
13:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:43<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Nice icon, yes. Nice success rate running it, no
13:43<fxiny>EmleyMoor: runs much faster in gnome
13:44<fxiny>lightning fast comparing to kde
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13:44<EmleyMoor>Well, why won't it work for me then?
13:45<fxiny>on gnome is absolutely amazing
13:45<EmleyMoor> useless?
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13:46<EmleyMoor>I am getting the "Could not access Graphics Card" message window
13:46<sasha>hi i don t know what happens but since some times , each time i start a java program i have only a blank windows that hangs on ? any idea ?
13:46<alternativename>could somebody tell me wich command i need to use to get into the graphical interface?
13:46<EmleyMoor>sasha: Which Java VM are you using?
13:47<EmleyMoor>alternativename: Have you ever been in it?
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13:47<sasha>5 and 6
13:47<EmleyMoor>alternativename: Do you normally log in graphically?
13:47<alternativename>but 5 months ago my partititions changed, just fixed it. but it sticks at the console
13:47<alternativename>i used to
13:47<EmleyMoor>sasha: "5 and 6"?
13:48<sasha>yes i m checking but i have both installed
13:48<EmleyMoor>alternativename: How did they change?
13:48<EmleyMoor>sasha: You've got "both 5 and 6" - with no actual name...
13:48<alternativename>think i deleted one partitition
13:48<EmleyMoor>I presume you mean the official Sun ones?
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13:49<alternativename>hda6 became hda5, hda7 hda6, hda8 hda7
13:49<EmleyMoor>alternativename: Did you put your fstab right?
13:49<sasha>i m not java expert but i have sun-java5 and 6 installed
13:49<EmleyMoor>sasha: How did you install them?
13:49<sasha>EmleyMoor: yes
13:50<EmleyMoor>Not "Did you install them?", "How did you install them?"
13:50<alternativename>yes i changed my Fstab
13:50<sasha>througt apt-get
13:50<fxiny>EmleyMoor: hahaha i'm right over my roof :)))
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13:50<alternativename>after starting up it asks me to login (shell)
13:50<fxiny>this version works like a charm on gnome
13:51<EmleyMoor>sasha: I would say it is overkill having both on - have you tried with just 6, using Sun's test page?
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13:51<EmleyMoor>fxiny: It runs like a brick on mine - completely useless - only gives me this damned complaint about the graphics card
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13:51<sasha>EmleyMoor : no , i ll try it now , could you give me that sun test page
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13:52<fxiny>EmleyMoor: can't remember what waring gave me on kde . maybe three or four popups . only one on gnome
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13:53<EmleyMoor>, click "Do I have Java?"
13:53<alternativename>found it startx
13:53<EmleyMoor>fxiny: It is NOT a warning, it's a fatal error
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13:53<EmleyMoor>alternativename: startx will get you into it for a session, and in fact if that works there can't be much wrong - check your gdm installation
13:54<sasha>EmleyMoor : i removed the 5 one and it works like a charm now thanks a lot
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13:55<EmleyMoor>All it does after I clear this thing is exit (and crash)
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13:57<EmleyMoor>My problem is probably at least a close match to this:
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13:57<fxiny>EmleyMoor: try removing ~./googleearth and reinstalling it
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13:58<EmleyMoor>Actually mine is a G450
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13:58<EmleyMoor>fxiny: ... and get to exactly the same point again...
13:59<fxiny>EmleyMoor: and no warnings when installing again ?
13:59<EmleyMoor>No warnings when installing
14:00<EmleyMoor>Just out of interest, what is your graphics card?
14:00<fxiny>EmleyMoor: lemme reinstall in kde , kde seems more verbose
14:00<fxiny>and slow :P
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14:01<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Look, this appears to be my graphics card at "fault" - not that there's anything wrong with it per se
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14:02<EmleyMoor>I am wondering how I change over to 3rd party drivers
14:03<EmleyMoor>(or rather, manufacturer ones)
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14:04<EmleyMoor>It won't work with the free stuff in stable unless I'm somehow being quite thick
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14:04<fxiny>EmleyMoor: hmmm : in kde is saying i'm running in opengl with software emulation so it will be slow . suggest upgrading card
14:05<EmleyMoor>Matrox have drivers up to X.Org 7.0.0 - would they be safe to try on 7.1.1?
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14:05<fxiny>in fact is slow . same box gnome-desktop no such warning and lighting fast
14:06<fxiny>this is unfair : google should support kde
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14:07<fxiny>and then of course the best of all : fluxbox ;)
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14:08<bighornram>I have amd64 running. have psi running jabber protocol working fine. pidgin shows connecting to yahoo but can only receive messages. Sim-IM won't even complete a login to yahoo. I installed miranda (windows based) into wine and it is working. Can anyone explain whey this is or better yet, how to get the linux native packages to work?
14:08<fxiny>bighornram: yahoo new messenger ?
14:08<bighornram>avail from yahoo? or is there a package?
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14:09<fxiny>bighornram: all i know is : not ready yet on bitlbee
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14:10<bighornram>will try yahoo messenger. thanks fxiny
14:10<fxiny>bighornram: np , dunno if that one works
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14:10<fxiny>i wait for the buzzing one
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14:14<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i'm trying on this old box ...
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14:15<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Forget it, I think I have found a problem and only need to work out how to solve it
14:16<EmleyMoor>What are good values for XORG_CFLAGS and XORG_LIBS on a typical install?
14:17<EmleyMoor>(or PKG_CONFIG_PATH)
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14:17<EmleyMoor>configure script for mga drivers can't find xorg-server
14:18<fxiny>EmleyMoor: guess what ? it slows down all my beloved fluxbox but it runs
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14:18*EmleyMoor wonders if there are any ready-packaged newer mga drivers
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14:24<EmleyMoor>Does "This module can be found as the module 'driver/xf86-video-mga' at
14:24<EmleyMoor>" mean I might be able to cvs a new version?
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14:26<EmleyMoor>(and if so, how?)
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14:32<fifafrazer>Hey, I'm using debian sid with E17 as DE and Entrance as login manager, and I have a problem getting my ~/.Xresources file loaded on startup. The ~/.xsession is neither being executed on startup.
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14:36<RobertPolsen>i'm using "deb unstable main contrib non-free" when i try to install sun-java6-bin i get "Depends: sun-java6-jre but it is not going to be installed", then when i try to install sun-java6-jre i get "Depends: sun-java6-bin but it is not going to be installed or ia32-sun-java6-bin (=6-05-1) but it is not installable", what could be the problem ?
14:36<the-me>RobertPolsen, it's a known bug.
14:37<blarson>RobertPolsen: unstable is unstable. Sometimes things aren't complied for all arches.
14:37<EmleyMoor>Other than getting new matrox drivers if I can, what other options are available for me to run googleearth?
14:37<Supaplex>new whardware? :)
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14:38<EmleyMoor>I don't know what I might have in spares...
14:38*EmleyMoor goes to check
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14:40<RobertPolsen>the-me blarson: then i can't do anything, i have only to wait
14:40<the-me>RobertPolsen, dont use unstable ;)
14:40<EmleyMoor>Unidentifiable :-(
14:41<fxiny>already frankensteinized ? :P
14:42<EmleyMoor>fxiny: As I recall it was one my father had to buy in an emergency... it has no readily identifiable chipset
14:42<RobertPolsen>:) but it's really hard to downgrade so i'll wait
14:43<fxiny>i run sun java6 on etch
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14:44<EmleyMoor>What's a good graphics card that can run googleearth in etch without proprietary drivers?
14:45<amphi>radeon? intel?
14:45<RobertPolsen>i run java too some time ago, but then it uninstalled from the system magically (i'm using unstable)
14:45<Supaplex>let's start with the non-proprietary drivers :) sadly, I'm using nvidia.ko
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14:46<EmleyMoor>amphi: Are you sure? Any specific current models?
14:46<Supaplex>RobertPolsen: try snapshots, and pinning
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14:48<amphi>EmleyMoor: intel, sure; radeon up to X1050 are supported by the xorg driver, AFAIK
14:49<EmleyMoor>amphi: ... and googleearth runs in etch with those cards?
14:49<amphi>googleearth was fine on my old 32MB mobility radeon 7500
14:49<zuathz>hi. i upgraded to lenny recently. now i cannot get my printer to run. i tried the same steps as before.
14:50<fxiny>radeon can run it yes , even old rage pro mach64 can run it
14:50<EmleyMoor>I need is, not was... googleearth *was* fine, some versions ago, with my Matrox G450
14:50<zuathz>somehow cups does not support the smb protocol.
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14:50<EmleyMoor>Anywhere I can get old versions of googleearth?
14:50<amphi>EmleyMoor: oh, dunno in that case - has it got greedier? I haven't checked it out in a good while
14:51<fxiny>some version ago ? can't you get a old one anymore ?
14:51<EmleyMoor>It's got ruder
14:51<EmleyMoor>I don't know where to find old onews
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14:51<fxiny>lemme check what i have
14:51<EmleyMoor>May have found 4.0
14:52<EmleyMoor>No - it's just a link to the download page
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14:52<fxiny>Google Earth version 4.0.1563 Sun Jun 11 10:20:21 PDT 2006
14:53<EmleyMoor>Anything earlier than 4,2 is worth a try
14:54<EmleyMoor>May have found 4.0.2722
14:55<EmleyMoor>I can read pof
14:56<EmleyMoor>of them but not find them
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14:57<fxiny>all 404
14:57<EmleyMoor>All either just links to the official download page which will only give me 4.2, or 404
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15:03<EmleyMoor>Those appear to be for Windows
15:03<fxiny>yes ?
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15:03<EmleyMoor>They're all .exe files
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15:05<fxiny>try mailing google support
15:06*EmleyMoor tries to find out how
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15:06<fxiny>i have one if you want
15:07<EmleyMoor>"one" what?
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15:07<EmleyMoor>Oh, yes please
15:08<albertux>hi, i have a problem with my sound card, after the upgrade a Lenny
15:08<albertux>with the lspci command the result is this
15:08<albertux>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
15:08<albertux>some idea ?????
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15:10<EmleyMoor>fxiny: How do you propose to get it to me?
15:10<albertux>i need a little help ...
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15:11<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i'm sending it to you now
15:11<fxiny>just get it
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15:12<padski>really annoying misfeature of "GNOME Web Browser": find box disappears while you are clicking on the down scroll button: you end up clicking in the scrollbar and going much faster than you expected.
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15:15<fxiny>EmleyMoor: is it coming ?
15:16<EmleyMoor>In progress
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15:21<EmleyMoor>OK - let's see how that works
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15:22<EmleyMoor>That complains about being out of date (!)(!)(!)(!)(!)(!)
15:23<EmleyMoor>It requires me to update, stupid thing!
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15:24<fxiny>lemme see
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15:25<melodie>hello, I have some lines complaining about /scripts/local-top/lvm2 tr and sed not found at sid startup. How can I solve that ?
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15:31<fxiny>EmleyMoor: yes , no way to run the old one
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15:33<vfaronov>Hello, does anybody know when 4.0r4 is due to be released?
15:33<valdyn>!sid faq
15:33<dpkg> or (backup)
15:33<valdyn>melodie: ^^^
15:34<melodie>it seems that it's a busybox bug does anybody know how I can fix it ?
15:34<jaakko>melodie: what is busybox bug?
15:35<valdyn>melodie: you should be dumped to a busybox shell from where you can manually get your system up
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15:36<kurumin>e ai
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15:36<vfaronov>padski: Yes, but there is no release date indications on that page.
15:36<kurumin>e AI
15:36-!-a is now known as Vinni3
15:36<amphi>kurumin: ¿?
15:37<valdyn>vfaronov: why do you care about it being released?
15:37<padski>vfaronov, and 2007.10.31 was a long time ago
15:37<kurumin>aY NOTER BRITHE NOU HOR
15:37<valdyn>vfaronov: its not going to add features.
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15:37<Vinni3>i'm kinda a linux noob, what distro should i choose?
15:37<corso>I am have a shilike no him
15:37<valdyn>Vinni3: wrong channel, try ##linux
15:37<vfaronov>valdyn: r4 means etch-and-a-half which means kernel 2.6.24. I have hardware problems with .18.
15:38<Vinni3>valdyn: cheers
15:38<jaakko>Vinni3: Debian, of course
15:38<valdyn>vfaronov: ok, i see.
15:38<kurumin>È só amanhã nas casas Bahia
15:38<valdyn>vfaronov: you know abou!kmuto ?
15:38<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
15:38<valdyn>vfaronov: you know about !kmuto ?
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15:38<vfaronov>valdyn: No, what is that?
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15:38<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
15:38<vfaronov>Hmm, backports, how could I have forgotten :-)
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15:39<valdyn>vfaronov: its like the unofficial "etch and a half"
15:39<vfaronov>Ok, I'll look into it, thanks.
15:39<vfaronov>I was also considering pursuing proposed-updates. Does it eat children?
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15:40<valdyn>vfaronov: i think its r4 stuff that cant enter etch regularily for policy reasons
15:41<vfaronov>valdyn: If "policy" just means "not enough testing yet", then I'll probably stick to proposed-updates until r4 is officially out.
15:41<valdyn>vfaronov: no, it means that it violates the "no change at all within stable"
15:42<valdyn>vfaronov: stable permits no feature change at all, except for security reasons
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15:42<valdyn>vfaronov: not even a serious bug can be fixed.
15:43<vfaronov>valdyn: I know, but the entire idea with point releases is changing stable. So there must be some reason for delivering updates in packs (r1, r2, and so on) rather than just continuously pushing them into stable.
15:43<valdyn>vfaronov: yea, so proposed doesnt mean "to few testing", but "has to wait for next rX"
15:43<padski>vfaronov, the requirements to get into a stable update are not as strict as those on the security archive.
15:44<vfaronov>padski: aha, I see.
15:44<vfaronov>Very well, I'll get the proposed-updates then. Thanks!
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15:45*vfaronov just bought a nokia phone recently, and its support in the .18 kernel is very buggy :-(
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15:47<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to update the mga drivers on xorg in etch without causing too many other problems?
15:50<melodie>hello, I have some lines complaining about /scripts/local-top/lvm2 tr and sed not found at sid startup. How can I solve that ?
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15:50<padski>EmleyMoor, is there a later version in backports ?
15:50<EmleyMoor>padski: No
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15:55<padski>EmleyMoor, does lenny work for you ?
15:56<jaakko>melodie: create new initramfs, or boot without it (if possible)
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16:03<melodie>is it normal that i'm disconnected all the time from debian irc server ?
16:04<christoph>Hi. Which program shows the filesystems of each partition?
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16:08<xpl>how can i open ports in debian?
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16:09<xpl>i need it for connecting remotely to my computer
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16:09<jaakko>xpl: you need some service for that
16:09<jaakko>xpl: "aptitude install openssh-server"
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16:09<xpl>i installed that
16:10<smokan>Can someone help me get my wireless working ?
16:10<jaakko>xpl: then it should work, if you haven't installed something else which is blocking it. your puter man.
16:10<xpl>jaakko: you see, locally i can conect
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16:10<xpl>jaakko: but when i use dyndns address
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16:11<xpl>jaakko: it recognizes the ip on ping but doesnt return packages
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16:11<jaakko>xpl: is it running now? may I try? :D
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16:12<xpl>i mean try it
16:12<xpl>it recognizes the address...
16:12<xpl>but ports are blocked
16:12<xpl>and i dont know how to unblock it....
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16:12<jaakko>xpl: yes, no connection
16:12<xpl>so, whats the problem
16:13<xpl>i mean do you know whats the problem?
16:13<jaakko>xpl: No, I don't. Have you installed some firewall app?
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16:13<oo>hello, ¿for spanish is debian-es?
16:13<jaakko>xpl: did you modify ssh config?
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16:14<jaakko>xpl: you don't have a router between us?
16:14<xpl>no, i dont think so, and no
16:14<melodie>can someone may help me to solve startup fail under sid ?
16:14<xpl>dont have router
16:14<jaakko>xpl: do you see it "netstat -an" | grep " LISTEN" ?
16:14<jaakko>xpl: eh, netstat -an | grep " LISTEN"
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16:15<xpl>i see a bunch of [ACC] Stream listening
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16:16<xpl>and i see couple of this-like lines
16:16<xpl>tcp 0 0* LISTEN
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16:16<jaakko>xpl: port 22 is ssh I think
16:16<xpl>there's no 22
16:16<xpl>how can i add it?
16:17<jaakko>xpl: eh, it should be there if the server is running (if you haven't configured to use some other port)
16:17<jaakko>xpl: can you login now from local box? what do you type?
16:18<jaakko>xpl: I really don't understand, if it is not listed, but you can login...
16:18<xpl>you know, when i say ping aurora (which is my local network hostname) it goes all well, but when i say ping xaurora... it doesnt
16:18<xpl>i have a laptop connected directly to this computer
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16:19<xpl>i run those ping from that laptop
16:19<melodie>how can I solve initramfs feil ?
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16:19<jaakko>xpl: but you said you can login ssh from local?
16:19<xpl>i can
16:20<xpl>from local
16:20<xpl>from that laptop
16:20<xpl>using the local hostname
16:20<jaakko>xpl: now, really? with "ssh"?
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16:20<xpl>smth like that
16:20<jaakko>xpl: can't you try now?
16:21<jaakko>xpl: sorry, but it is hard to believe...
16:21<xpl>i know i get it
16:21<xpl>i didnt try to log on my comp from my comp
16:21<jaakko>xpl: running etch?
16:21<xpl>i have a desktop
16:21<jaakko>didn't try? but you say you could? why?
16:21<xpl>i have a laptop near by
16:22<xpl>directly connected to my desktop
16:22<jaakko>directly? with ethernet cable?
16:22<xpl>and from that laptop
16:22<xpl>i can ssh to my desktop
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16:22<xpl>thats what i meant when i say locally
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16:23<xpl>oh, i can ssh desktop using the internal ethernet ip
16:23<xpl>of that desktop
16:23<xpl>but not using the dyndns hostname...
16:24<jaakko>xpl: so your problem is logging to that desktop machine from internet?
16:24<xpl>it wont do it...
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16:24<jaakko>xpl: did you run the "netstat" command on that desktop machine?
16:24<xpl>like you see
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16:24<xpl>ok i run it
16:24<xpl>i ran it
16:25<humbolto>Does HW enabled virtualization via KVM work as stable and as fast as xen paravirtualization?
16:25<xpl>and what should i see from netstat output
16:25<jaakko>xpl: run again, if you can't see the ssh port, but can login
16:25<jaakko>xpl: what interface it is listening
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16:27<xpl>its just bunch of
16:27<xpl>unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED
16:27<jaakko>xpl: scroll more up
16:27<xpl>or similar
16:27<xpl>and those
16:27<xpl>tcp 0 0*
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16:27<jaakko>xpl: netstat -a | grep ssh
16:27<xpl>but no 22
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16:28<xpl>2 output
16:28<jaakko>xpl: sorry, that does not work
16:29<jaakko>xpl: ok, show them
16:29<xpl>unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10977 /tmp/ssh-Updufz3747/agent.3747
16:29<xpl>unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11242 /tmp/keyring-5fQKtp/ssh
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16:31<jaakko>xpl: nothing with this netstat -an | grep ":22" ?
16:32<xpl>tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN
16:32<xpl>just that
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16:33<xpl>jaakko: so?
16:33<jaakko>xpl: oh, so you had it :)
16:33<monitor>como é?
16:33<monitor>what is your name?
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16:34<xpl>jaakko: so, what now?
16:34<monitor>the books on table?
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16:34<monitor>haw are your?
16:34<jaakko>xpl: it seems to be tcp6, I think your internet is not
16:35<xpl>but my lan is not either
16:35<monitor>speak portuguese?
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16:35<jaakko>xpl: sure about that?
16:35<xpl>i'm not 100% sure but...
16:35<xpl>i set it up
16:35<xpl>with ip4 addresses...
16:36<monitor>may good
16:36<monitor>no ingles
16:36<xpl>the official language in here is englesh
16:37<xpl>ok, whatever
16:37<xpl>jaakko: ok, thanx i ll look it later myself...
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16:37<jaakko>xpl: eh, I was wrong, I have this "tcp6 0 0 *:2022 *:* LISTEN"
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16:41<monitor>You work at the breeding as of Software Peck?
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16:42<monitor>The one to they do in this canal?
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16:52<panagos>i noticed that gpg can't recognise base64 input when the first line has extra space at the beginning (" -----BEGIN" etc); is this enough for a bug to be filed?
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16:53<simonson>I'm installing Debian Etch 4.0r3 and am considering creating an encrypted volume. The screen states that the partition table must be committed and no further changes are allowed. I paraphrase. I assume this only effects the partition being made into a encrypted volume and that this partion can be later removed. Is this correct?
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16:56<encryptV>Regarding the encrypted volume, I assume the partition containing it can simply be removed.
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16:59<encryptV>That is a partition with an encrypted volume can simply be deleted from the partition table.
17:00<encryptV>Is this the case?
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17:10<Fill>hi ppl
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17:10<Fill>can anyone tell me how can I see my debian version
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17:12<melodie>hello, I have some lines complaining about /scripts/local-top/lvm2 tr and sed not found at sid startup. How can I solve that ?
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17:34<placatedmayhem>hi all
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17:36<placatedmayhem>i need to know how to prevent a package from being removed from a system, namely keep xpdf-utils from installing and removing poppler-utils.
17:36<melodie>need help with initramfs, it seem that tr and sed are missing, how can I solve that ?
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17:42<Villarroel>It's the vmsplice local root exploit patched in the last update of the kernel?
17:42<Supaplex>for a long time now
17:43<melodie>how can I resolve initramfs problem with tr and sed ?
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17:44<Supaplex>you want tr and sed on the initramfs?
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17:53<melodie>is there anybody here ?
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17:53<Torsten_W>i have not seen anybody
17:53<themill>!seen anybody
17:53<dpkg>anybody <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 253d 8h 34m 33s ago, saying: 'no'.
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17:55<ozdeb>hi every one... I have a problem print the permil sign in debian testing in latex. I tried $\permil$ but I keep getting errors. Does anyone have an idea ?
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18:04<themill>ozdeb: if you \usepackage{textcomp} then you can use \textperthousand (is that what you want?)
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18:05<ozdeb>themill, I am pretty noob in this field. How ever, I put in the header of the latex \usepakage{textcomp} and I still can't print permil sign
18:05<ozdeb>is the some tex-live package I need ?
18:06<themill>\permil isn't in textcomp, it's \textperthousand
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18:07<themill>\textperthousand is a nicer character than \permil (imho!). If you really want \permil, then \usepackage{wasysym}
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18:08<themill>These styles are in texlive-fonts-recommended and texlive-latex-base.
18:08<ozdeb>themill, thanks, it does the work. all the googling I've doen suggested \permil
18:09<ozdeb>themill, further thanks it works even in lyx
18:10<themill>np. \textperthousand is pretty common too:
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18:13<k-man>is there a way to put the -force comand in the ddclient.conf file?
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18:32<placatedmayhem>i need to know how to prevent a package from being removed from a system, namely keep xpdf-utils from installing and removing poppler-utils -- anybody know how to do this?
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18:34<dondelelcaro>placatedmayhem: so put poppler-utils on hold or don't install xpdf-utils.
18:35<dondelelcaro>placatedmayhem: it's not like xpdf-utils will be installed automatically.
18:36<placatedmayhem>dondelelcaro: I'm managing a whole bunch of servers and desktops via cfengine.
18:37<placatedmayhem>dondelelcaro: The clients get xpdf (which wants xpdf-utils), and the print server has given better results with poppler-utils.
18:37<dondelelcaro>placatedmayhem: you can't install xpdf without xpdf-reader
18:37<dondelelcaro>(which popler-utils does not provide)
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18:38<melodie>Am I the only one with problem of tr and sed missing implementation into initramfs under sid ?
18:38<dondelelcaro>placatedmayhem: but in any event, since popler-utils provides and conflicts with xpdf-utils, xpdf-utils won't be installed unless you request it.
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18:40<placatedmayhem>dondelelcaro: that's what I'm worried about -- we're training a few jnr. sysadmins, and I don't want to give them the possibility of breaking/degrading our printserver. Basically, make it impossible for poppler-utils to be removed without significant effort. This might be my paranoia, tho. :)
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18:41<dondelelcaro>placatedmayhem: so put poppler-utils on hold
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18:43<placatedmayhem>holding still allows a conflict to remove it, I thought? `aptitude hold poppler-utils && aptitude install xpdf` still gives the normal option to remove poppler-utils.
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18:44<placatedmayhem>dondelelcaro: see what I mean?
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18:45<placatedmayhem>dondelelcaro: btw, this also has an impact on our other servers: KDC/LDAP, IMAP, etc.
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18:46<placatedmayhem>dondelelcaro: thus the reason I want to figure it out on something not-so-critical like printing.
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18:53<Supaplex>melodie: did you check bts?
18:53<themill>placatedmayhem: nothing substitutes for a heavy-enough cluebat, but you could create your own package that depends on these various packages and mark it as priority essential. That will prevent apt removing it without a fairly serious amount of warning.
18:53<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, initramfs is the new initrd. See for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>
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18:54<placatedmayhem>themill: that's one of the approaches we've been considering... I didn't know if there was a better and/or more formal way to do it. I think CMU is doing that right now, though.
18:55<placatedmayhem>Anyway, gotta jet. Thanks all!
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18:58<lontra>BeLuGa: why are you pm'ing me?
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18:58<BeLuGa>is alloweed?
18:58<lontra>why are you?
18:58<themill>BeLuGa: /topic
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19:00<lontra>curious that /whois beluga says -> I am bot. Your private message will be ignored!
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19:01<lontra>well then why would you private message me?
19:01<BeLuGa>what u want? m?
19:02<themill>BeLuGa: do you have a debian-specific question we can help you with?
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19:22<azreal>anyone have any idea why seemingly properly named and formated .mp3 files, with the coresponding .m3u file, when opened in xmms would display partial file name, or a few file names in the .m3u, and the rest of them, "corrupt"? ive looked at the id3 tags, those seem to check out, not sure what the problem might be.
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19:44<Jmd>I'm having a little trouble compiling the latest version(5.2) of mail-notification for Debian Lenny. I'm running GNOME from Lenny's repositories yet the configuration for mail-notification says I'm missing GNOME. Here's the compile errors:
19:45<noppe>i've just installed debian testing and i have a problem with my headset. i have onboard sound, an audigy 2zs and a dvb-s card. i set up the audigy 2zs to be default and get sound just fine from the speakers, but no sound via the headset, although the settings in kmix are okay. how do i resolve this?
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19:46<themill>!tell Jmd about apt-file
19:46<themill>Jmd: do you have the gnome development packages installed?
19:46<Jmd>themill: Well I sure thought I did, but I'll check.
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19:47<Jmd>themill: gnome-devel right?
19:47<themill>you will need libgconf2-dev according to that first error
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19:48<Jmd>themill: Wow, looks like I didn't have gnome development packages installed. I have a list of 94 new to install from just 'aptitude install gnome-devel libgconf2-dev'
19:48<Jmd>That probably will fix my problem as most of those 94 are dev packages
19:48<themill>Jmd: lucky you ;) have fun
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19:50<chealer>noppe: did you try unplugging the headset and plugging it back?
19:50<lontra>nice iceweasel 3.0beta5 is in experimental :D
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19:51<noppe>chealer: no.
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19:52<noppe>chealer: it's plugged into the audigy 2zs. i just checked the connections, they are fine.
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19:54<chealer>noppe: try it
19:54<noppe>chealer: just did. no change.
19:55<chealer>lontra: even better, konqueror 3.5.9 is in testing!
19:56<chealer>noppe: did you try with the latest (1.0.16) ALSA LKM-s?
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19:58<noppe>chealer: lkm's? i installed testing today and ran a full update. alsa-base is 1.0.16-1
19:59<chealer>!tell noppe about lkm
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20:01<noppe>chealer: i don't know.
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20:03<chealer>noppe: assuming your card is new, that would probably fix it
20:04<noppe>chealer: well, it's not new, but it worked on arch yesterday.
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20:04<chealer>noppe: when was it created?
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20:06<noppe>the card? a few years ago.
20:07<chealer>noppe: hum. what do you mean by arch?
20:07<chealer>noppe: which version of ALSA LKM-s does that use?
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20:08<noppe>whatever cutting edge is.
20:09<noppe>arch is probably close to debian unstable
20:09<chealer>noppe: I suggest trying with whatever cutting edge is.
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20:11<noppe>chealer: do you really think that is the source of the problem, since it has worked ever since at least 2004
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20:12<chealer>noppe: no (but I'd try it)
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20:13<noppe>chealer: so that means I'd have to install alsa from unstable?
20:15<dondelelcaro>noppe: does alsamixer show the right things?
20:16<noppe>dondelelcaro: yes. looks normal.
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20:21<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How would I burn this image of a Windows 98 SE boot Disk to a floppy disk on /dev/floppy?
20:21<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>well, copy not burn
20:21<gravity>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: Probably using dd, although I've never used it for that before
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20:22<amphi>dd if=file.img of=/dev/df0
20:22<amphi>er, /dev/fd0
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20:22<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>There a way to show progress also?
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20:23<amphi>not that I know of; it doesn't take long
20:24<chealer>noppe: no, you'd just have to compile new LKM-s from alsa-source
20:24<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>good thing I got this double speed floppy drive
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20:24<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I need to be root for this?
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20:25<amphi>depends what group can write to /dev/fd0 and whether you are a member of that group
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20:29<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>hmm, External floppy isn't /dev/fdX
20:30<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Wonder why it's /dev/sdb
20:30<themill>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: usb devices always are
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20:32<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>woo 1474560 bytes (1.5 MB) copied, 94.3451 s, 15.6 kB/s
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20:33<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>well thanks
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21:43<mpoer>what is the deal with this gOS business? Has anyone been able to follow it?
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21:53<chealer>mpoer: which gOS business?
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21:54<mpoer>about two weeks ago they had a version called "rocket" which was a beta, I guess. But now they have a new beta called Space. And they changed the website to be an Apple-knockoff, are using the AWN to look like the Mac dock, and are full of myspace apps instead of google apps.
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21:55<mpoer>I'm just confused. Then I found the founder-guy's blog:
21:57<mpoer>Guy's company was getting huge attention and ./ed, and his myspace has stuff like "first comment" on it still
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21:57<janrocks>rocket was ok.. i grebbed it to try
21:58<mpoer>It installed for you?
21:58<mpoer>I couldn't even burn the disc
21:58<janrocks>it did
21:58<janrocks>went on a p2 400 like a dream
21:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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21:59<mpoer>Then idk what my problem was. I went through like 5 dvd
21:59<janrocks>even installed.. not just run live
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21:59<janrocks>not sure
21:59<janrocks>tested for a while then gave the disk to another to try
21:59<noflash>is this another debian clone?
21:59<mpoer>I only wanted to try the e17 on it, really. Was it nice or what?
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21:59<janrocks>nice for a notebook os, not up to desktop
22:00<mpoer>noflash, gOS is an ubuntu clone, so sort-of.
22:00<noflash>off topic in here
22:00<janrocks>it is
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22:00<janrocks>no on topic things happening tho
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22:00<noflash>doesn't matter
22:00<janrocks>I know
22:01<mpoer>the channel is dead quiet... I'd discuss gOS before I sit quietly
22:01<janrocks>wasn't going to talk about it any more
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22:01<janrocks>just confirming that it did work for me
22:01<noflash>this is a debian support channel
22:01<mpoer>okay, janrocks. thank you.
22:01<mpoer>noflash, I get it.
22:01<craigevil>gos has its own channel
22:01<noflash>there ya go
22:01<mpoer>craigevil, where? their contact page changed and I can't find it
22:01<craigevil>#gos on freenode
22:01*mpoer is zipping his lips after craigevil tells him about it
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22:08<dave_>amule servers?
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22:09<dave_>amule servers? to download everything!
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22:43<phillipsjk>can alsa work with an oss driver? seems to emphasise diabling the OSS driver.
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22:44<phillipsjk>To answer the next question, there is no alsa driver for my old ISA card (Pas)
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22:48<twb>Is there a debian netwoking subchannel?
22:48<twb>In interfaces(5) I am getting No Love when trying to use pre-up.
22:50<twb>Specifically, these two cause "ifup eth0" to fail before dhclient: "pre-up pkill ^ssh$" and "post-up ssh -f -F ~twb/.ssh/config -i ~twb/.ssh/id_rsa -N -L 80:soy:80 -L 902:plum:902 twb@soy"
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22:59<dondelelcaro>twb: if the pre-up returns non-zero, it's going to fail.
22:59<twb>Hmm, I thought pkill always succeeded.
23:00<twb>Can I just stick ||: on the end? Does pre-up get interpreted by a shell?
23:00<dondelelcaro>twb: you can always do sh -c '' if you want it to be explicit
23:00<twb>Supaplex: that would kill IRC!
23:00<dondelelcaro>twb: I honestly don't remember precisely which it does
23:00<Supaplex>failing that, sh ... like dondelelcaro beat me to it.
23:01<twb>Unfortunately ifup is C code, so it's not easy to see what it does (as opposed to sh or perl)
23:01<Supaplex>try a test on a dummy/alias interface
23:01<dondelelcaro>twb: yeah, in mine I've got sh -c'' because I couldn't be bothered to figure out which it was doing
23:02<dondelelcaro>(and it's not like an extra sh is going to hurt anything)
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23:02<dondelelcaro>but I'd be fairly surprised if pkill didn't return non-zero if there were no processes to kill
23:03<twb>dondelelcaro: you are correct
23:03<dondelelcaro>figures as much; it's easier to make the exit code be zero than to make it be informatively non-zero
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23:08*phillipsjk removes alsa (nothing seemed to depend on it)
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23:12<Supaplex>~say dpkg -r /proc/self
23:12<dpkg>dpkg -r /proc/self
23:12<Supaplex>ahh fooey. apt is on vacation
23:13<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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23:30<pammer>Hi. I'm going to automount my encrypted home directory using pam with gdm. I found some howtos but nothing works... I've created the volume and set up the pam_mount.conf. I just have to configure /etc/pamd./gdm but I'm not sure what I must configure there... The image file is encrypted with another keyfile, which is encrypted with the user pass...
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23:31<pammer>I got :
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23:44<Supaplex>amazing. this is the week of encrypted filesystems questions :)
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