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00:14<phillipsjk>Windows saves the day again! (DMA was set wrong for my non pnp sound card)
00:15<Supaplex>you're not a very good comedian ;)
00:17<phillipsjk>X froze when playing streaming audio, so I decided to check things under win98.
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00:26<pammer>Should this work: mount -o loop,encryption=aes -p keyde ciphertext.img mnt/ ? If keyde is a decrypted key ?
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00:31<phillipsjk>iceweasel is still called firefox internally :/
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00:34<Supaplex>cry me a mozilla river
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00:39<phillipsjk>trademarks are the one form of IP I actually see a need for (even though they CAN'T describe the product).
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00:44<peterS>yeah too bad MozCorp decided to try to apply non-free copyright licensing to what should have been a simple matter of trademark. coulda avoided a lot of grief.
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01:51<phillipsjk>is it normal for the sound to break up while doing a long (cached) directory listing in a terminal program?
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01:52<jm_>phillipsjk: yes and no
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01:55<phillipsjk>I think the Video card my be competing with the sound card for IRQ servicing
01:55<til>goog morning
01:55<til>i have a huge problem with the new lighttpd package coming from security
01:56<til>after the update lighty writes endless this to the error logs
01:56<til>2008-04-07 23:10:17: (connections.c.1649) SSL: 5 error:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0)
01:56<til>which results in a full /var partition
01:56<til>at that in minutes!
01:56<til>at=and
01:57<til>any lighty experts here?
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02:02<phillipsjk>well, since the fix is supposed te prevent denial of service, I think you can safely roll-back. http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1540
02:03<til>phillipsjk: do you also have a link howto roll back? :)
02:05<phillipsjk>no, I've never done that....
02:05<jm_>man dpkg
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02:06<til>jm_: wow i didnt expected that .....
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02:07<til>jm_: thx for this hint ....
02:07<jm_>til: correct form is "I didn't expect"
02:07<jm_>!downgrade
02:07<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
02:07<jm_>finding this is just a few clicks away ...
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02:12<vook>well if it's just one lightly that you'd be choosing to downgrade, it wouldn't really qualify as a Debian downgrade or rollback.
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02:13<vook>*one package
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02:13<vook>jm_: couldn't he just remove lighttpd, go grab the older version and manually install it?
02:15<phillipsjk>vook: yes.
02:15<phillipsjk>assuming the config files remain the same.
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02:16<vook>til: jm_ is correct about the wording; downgrade == bad, not really possible.
02:16<til>well i just installed the previous version
02:16<vook>as does rollback
02:16<til>all works correct now
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02:16<til>so how to report this? just open a new bug?
02:17<dondelelcaro>til: check to see if a bug has already been opened; if not open one.
02:17<vook>you could report it, but it'd be difficult to determine if the origin of the problem (esp. now that you've fixed it).
02:18<til>vook: well it is a production machine, i had to fix it asap
02:18<til>dondelelcaro: i searched some hours ago, nothing there ...
02:19<til>dondelelcaro: 15 hours ago in the svn of lighttpd, one developer chenked in some typo changes at the ssl connection file
02:20<dondelelcaro>til: yeah, best to file a bug then against the security version and indicate what you saw
02:20<dondelelcaro>til: sometimes the security fixes don't get proper testing
02:20<dondelelcaro>(or they have bugs that show up only in some versions)
02:20<dondelelcaro>err, situtations
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03:04<Supaplex>ce_cr_tm: welcome to the very idle and sleepy #debian. if you have a question, just ask. :)
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03:06<henrik>haha
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03:07<henrik>the answer always will be: rtfm, google, man xyz
03:08<til>for the lighty thing ....
03:08<til>someone was faster than me
03:08<til>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474951
03:11<Supaplex>by what, 15min? :)
03:12<henrik>hmm, well we have a test environment to check new security patches before we install them on our live systems :)
03:13<til>henrik: well .. good thing ;)
03:14<franklin>Do you know a tool, similar to "rm", but which would move the files to "${PART}/.trash", à la gnome ?
03:14<sep>franklin, mv
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03:15<franklin>sep, It would have to detect the partition correctly, though
03:15<henrik>damn, my desktop is full....its time for weekend
03:16<jm_>franklin: yes I do
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03:16<Supaplex>til: don't feel so bad. it took me half the day to figure out #464165
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03:17<Supaplex>franklin: libtrash iirc. try <search>
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03:29<franklin>Supaplex, libtrash looks nice, but I can't get it working at the moment ;)
03:29<yury>so.. my ia32 libs stopped working on my amd64 box. I have /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf, both of which contain nothing. Did something happen to my ld conf while I wasn't looking?
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03:38<franklin>Supaplex, libtrash is a nice tool, I'll remember it. However it's goes beyond my needs (catch all files removals). Also, it's doesn't move the file to the current partition's trash (that's useful for USB keys, or large file, where I don't want to move the deleted file to the user home dir)
03:39<franklin>thanks.
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03:40<bayram>selam arkadaslar ubuntu kullanıyorum leptopumda ses gelmiyor intel seskartı var leptopumun adı lenovo ben home dizinindeyken konsolo girmek için klavyeden bir komut veriyorduk o tuşlar neydi
03:41<jm_>!tr
03:41<dpkg>it has been said that tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
03:42<bayram>burda hangi komut verilmesi lazım etc klasorunun içinde root olamam lazım
03:42<yury>so yeah, I think /emul vanished from my ld.so.conf
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03:43<bayram>dpkg: thanks
03:43<dpkg>bayram: my pleasure
03:43<duvi>david
03:43<duvi>är du där?
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03:47<morgan`>hello
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03:59<yury>ok, how does the linker know to look in /emul?
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04:02<yury>hm...
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04:02<yury>this emulation mode is confusing. anyway, my /lib/ld-linux.so.2 disappeared
04:02<yury>fixing that makes stuff work again
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04:49<zedd>hi
04:50<barbara21>why I'm getting this "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!"?
04:51<franklin>barbara21, did you add a repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list
04:51<barbara21>no
04:51<barbara21>fresh installation of 4.0
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04:52<jm_>barbara21: read about secure apt
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04:53<barbara21>have installed debian-archive-keyring
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04:53<barbara21>apt-get update
04:53<barbara21>still have a problem
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04:54<franklin>!secure apt
04:54<dpkg>well, secure apt is http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
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04:56<zedd>hello, i installed bitchx but cant seem to get the script to run on its own wiindow... im here due to /run xterm then i type bitchx :( tried looking for exc file or the icon to start bitchx :(
04:57<zedd>im on eeepc running xandros
04:58<noflash>zedd, try #eeepc on irc.freenode.net
05:00<zedd>ty
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05:58<sep>i have a problem on my lenny workstation connected to a kvm. every so often i have to rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse becouse my mousewheel is lost i have tried to use modprobe psmouse resetafter=5 to have it happen automagicaly to no effect. anyone have a less manuall way to keep the mousewheel in leach having to reset it manually is annoying.
05:58<padski>sep, usb or serial ? any chance of support from your kvm vendor ?
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06:01<sep>psmouse
06:02<sep>the kvm works fine. it's just that my lenny does not reset the mouse protocol when i have been working on a non nix machine (windows reset the protocol periodically) and hence messes it up and i had hoped resetevery= would make ly linux reset it periodically too
06:02<sep>psmouse=ps/2
06:03<Simon42>try resetafter not resetevery
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06:04<Simon42>oh, you wrote resetafter up there
06:04<Simon42>then try "resync_time=" maybe?
06:05<Simon42>there is also a "proto=". it's marked as "useful for KVM switches"
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06:07<sep>tried proto.. ill check out resync_time
06:07<sep>thanks
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06:14<jm_>sep: that's in 2.6 input faq
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06:15<sep>pity it did not come up on any of my google searches. :/
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07:04<humbolto>is there a top for hdd access? where I can see which app is causing all this HDD IO?
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07:05<lupine_85>humbolto: lsof lists open files
07:05<lupine_85>you can probably grep what you need out of the output
07:05<humbolto>lupine_85: that does not help me much!
07:05<jm_>humbolto: not quite, but blktrace can help
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07:06<jm_>or blockdump feature
07:06<lupine_85>assuming s/he's on 2.6.23+ :D
07:07<jm_>blockdump existed prior to that AFAIK
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07:10<Eckrall>humbolto: iostat?
07:10<Eckrall>sorry, which app, ignore me
07:10<Eckrall>misread
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07:19<Wesley>Whats the best approach to make two machines have identical packages? (both have totaly diffrent hardware)
07:20<jm_>!package reselect
07:20<dpkg>well, package reselect is 'dpkg --get-selections >file', 'sed -e"s/remove$/install/" file | dpkg --set-selections', then apt-get dselect-upgrade
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07:21<jm_>!reinstall
07:21<dpkg>it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone>
07:21<Gekz>!donotabusethebotinfrontofme
07:21<jm_>!urinate on Gekz
07:21*Gekz knifes jm_
07:21<Gekz>and the cycle is complete
07:22<ozdeb>can anyone help me with \tableofcontents in latex ? i want to span it over the two columns of the document....
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07:26<schichtleita>hi, small question about symbolic links
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07:27<schichtleita>for example i created a link ln -s /data1 /data2. then i had a link named data1 in data2 which acted like a directory
07:27<schichtleita>is there any way to link it so that all the files and folders go DIRECTLY into data2 like i manually linked everyone of them?
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07:36<sep>schichtleita, you might get away with some hack around unionfs. but you could just merge the datasets using plain old copy
07:37<sep>or if its ok to hice data2 contants from view. mount data1 on top of it
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07:37<sep>or you can also read about bind mount
07:38<schichtleita>the problem is, its two harddisks. i should have created a lvm in the first place, but now the data is already there... so i have two shares and have to remember "this folder is on data1 and that folder is on data2"... you know what i mean?
07:39<sep>schichtleita, backup, make lvm and restore.
07:40<sep>everything else will be a ugly hack
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09:06<hyeiuna>hey guys, does anyone know how to change the size of a buffer within a splitted window in emacs?
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09:12<Zyklon-B>Hi I have the kernel version 2.6.24-1-686, and I want to uninstall it
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09:14<Torsten_W>then do this
09:14<Torsten_W>what's the problem?
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09:30<avtobiff>is there some way i can see through software (/proc maybe?) what kind of psu i have?
09:30<ant_>anyone familiar with repository software? I am looking to run a repository that can handle multiple versions of the same package all in the same release
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09:31<padski>!repository
09:31<dpkg>i heard debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
09:32<ant_>padski, thanks - I looked at debarchiver and reprepro, but neither will keep references to multiple versions
09:32<themill>ant_: If you want multiple versions to be installable at the same time, you need to give the packages different names, for example, by affixing the version number to the package name. There are examples in the debian archive of how to do that.
09:33<ant_>themill, thanks - was afraid that would be the only way to do it...
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09:33<themill>ant_: that's not that bad!
09:33<padski>ant_, also http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository
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09:34<ant_>padski, thanks - have been working from that
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09:34<themill>ant_: I'm guessing that you're talking about multiple versions of non-free scientific software or that sort of thing... this might have ideas too then: http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/
09:35<themill>although much of that could have been just done with reprepro :)
09:35<ant_>themill, something like that - internal software for the company I work for
09:35<themill>ant_: yeah... similar situation, then.
09:35<ant_>thanks!
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09:43<maboughariou>hi
09:44<carles>hi
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10:12<LaicepS>is there a way to make java work properly on a debian lenny 64 bits ?
10:13<padski>is there a way to make java work properly ?
10:13<padski>;-)
10:13<LaicepS>lol
10:13<LaicepS>i mean, i would like to run basic website using java.
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10:14<LaicepS>(the browser plugin of course -___-)
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10:15<padski>LaicepS, last I looked the sun java is still non-free. if you can find binaries for your arch, and you can live with yourself, then good luck to you. when they finally get the source code out and building I will be the first to cheer.
10:16<padski>!java amd64
10:16<dpkg>To run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin. Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
10:16<LaicepS>!nspluginwrapper
10:16<dpkg>methinks nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <backports.org> for etch packages.
10:16<padski>I take you mean that and not ppc64 or alpha ?
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10:19<LaicepS>yes, my proc is an amd64
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10:27<edward_>anyone know what files to change when you change your hostname? (ive changed hosts and hostname but when i connect to a remote mysql server it still shows the old host name)
10:28<gsimmons>!hostname
10:28<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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10:37<LaicepS>Can anyone tell me how to solve this error : "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin', which is also in package nspluginwrapper-i386" which i get when i 'm running apt-get install nspluginwrapper
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10:37<lupine_85>apt-get remove nspluginwrapper-i386
10:37<lupine_85>then install nspluginwrapper
10:37<LaicepS>doesn't work :(
10:38<lupine_85>then dpkg -r it
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10:38<edward_>dpkg: hostname already shows the new name, /etc/hostname was already changed and restarted, /etc/hosts has the new name too, the wrong ip though, changed it and restarted hostname.sh still shows old hostname when trying to connect to mysql server
10:38<LaicepS>ok i'll try a purge
10:38<seanius>dpkg is a bot
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10:38<padski>!bot
10:38<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
10:39<edward_>lol
10:39<seanius>edward_: if the mysql server is on another machine you need to update DNS or at least /etc/hosts on the remote machine
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10:39<rks>hello guys
10:40<rks>on which toppic all are talking here
10:40<lupine_85>mostly cybersex
10:41<rks>may i ask about linux or any computer related queston
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10:41<padski>!knoppix
10:41<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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10:42<rks>no
10:42<rks>i just wanna ask something about linux
10:42<rks>i am new in linux
10:42<rks>and wanna know something
10:42<padski>!#linux
10:42<dpkg>[##linux] on <freenode>, or #linux on <oftc>
10:42<rks>that how to configur Wine in linux
10:42<padski>!wine
10:42<dpkg>somebody said wine was packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.
10:43<edward_>seanius: i believe the DNS was already changed, im able to hit the new host name in the web browser and can SSH into it, i cant hit the old name in the browers or with SSH
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10:43<lupine_85>alternative? I think it's the only win32 api available on linux :p
10:44<padski>lupine_85, weren't there other similar attempts ... something to do with the shadowy canopy group ? ;-)
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10:45<lupine_85>hmm. not that I know of
10:46<lupine_85>personally, I say just stop at the PE loader and pwn all microsoft's DLLs
10:46<lupine_85>but that would be illegal and stuff
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10:46<padski>willows ?
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10:47<laboratorio>helo imnew
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10:47<padski>now squatted :-)
10:47<laboratorio>and need help to installa ntivirus on ubunt
10:47<padski>!ubuntu
10:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:48<padski>and I'd get that keyboard checked out too.
10:48<rks>can anyone tell that what is debain
10:48<rks>plz
10:48<padski>!debain
10:48<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
10:48<padski>(I got the full bingo here)
10:48<lontra>rks: google can
10:48<Torsten_W>debian.org can also
10:48<laboratorio>sigh
10:49<Torsten_W>laboratorio: here is not #ubuntu
10:50<padski>no, it is mostly quiet here, apart from the lost knoppix and ubuntu people ;-)
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10:51<lupine_85>it's quite because debian is so awesome and just works(tm)? :p
10:52<amphi>heh
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10:56<rks>how to secure linux
10:56<rks>and one more question
10:56<rks>all says that linux is secure than windows
10:57<henrik>unplug the network cable and remove mice+keyboard ;)
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10:57<rks>anyone can tell, why all says like this
10:57<rks>thats not the way to get security
10:57<SlayerXP>rks: a badly administered linux box is, if anything, more of a danger to the internet than a windows box
10:57<rks>thats the way how to leave the war
10:58<padski>!harden
10:58<dpkg>[harden] D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
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10:59<padski>henrik, then set it in concrete and put an infantryman on top.
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11:03<henrik>hehe
11:04<rks>how to get the no of processes runnning in a linux box
11:04<rks>and how to stop selectd processes
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11:04<padski>!grounding
11:04<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
11:04<padski>rks, ps and kill
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11:05<noflash>rks, try debian.org/doc...this stuff comes with documentation
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11:05<rks>thx nofalsh
11:05<noflash>np
11:07<rks>actually i m new in linux, and i have heard too much about linux
11:07<rks>thats why i am using it
11:07<rks>and getting information about it from u guys
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11:10<ginobvhc>hi i got 1 question
11:10<SlayerXP>ginobvhc: and no punctuation, it seems.
11:10<ginobvhc>the pkg installes by dpkg not are show in synaptics why?
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11:17<ginobvhc>the problem already solutionaited .. jaja sorry but my english
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11:18<ddd>OI
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11:29<chantanito>hi...
11:29<vodi>hey
11:29<rks>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
11:29<chantanito>how do i know how many dirs are inside one, i mean, recursively....
11:31<madgorilla>chantanito, an important philosophical question
11:32<chantanito>madgorilla, is it: ls -ls | wc -wl ?
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11:35<peterS>chantanito: probably just find /your/dir -type d | wc -l and subtract one (for the directory itself)
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11:43<r0drigu3z>hola
11:43<r0drigu3z>alguien
11:43<r0drigu3z>por ahi que me ayude
11:43<r0drigu3z>????
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11:43<r0drigu3z>que tal
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11:43<r0drigu3z>darkness
11:43<r0drigu3z>....
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11:44<r0drigu3z>alguien instalo debian en una compaq presario f562la
11:44<darkness_>Say i haven't used my debian box for ages. However, wondering now what the dif is between aptitude and apt-get please?
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11:45<craigevil>aptitude is the "recommended" way
11:45<gsimmons>!why aptitude
11:45<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info
11:46<craigevil>!why not aptitude
11:46<dpkg>aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have.
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11:49<latitude>not very debian-related, but still..
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11:49<latitude>does anyone know how to embed escapes in mysql prompt
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11:49<klumpe>!de
11:49<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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11:56<alaya>has anyone seen a nasty bug in oowriter in which basically it fails to display any text whatsoever with open documents?
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11:59<Maui-Waui>opa
11:59*Maui-Waui esta almoçando
11:59<seanius>latitude: what kind of escapes
11:59<padski>alaya, no. is it specific documents ?
11:59<alaya>hi padski. all documents AFAICT
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12:00<alaya>.odt, .doc, whatever
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12:02<alaya>i also deleted .openoffice.org2 to no avail
12:03<padski>alaya, I read a .doc earlier today (what microsoft amusingly refers to as a open specification :-)
12:03<latitude>seanius: ANSI colors in fact
12:03<padski>alaya, on etch that is.
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12:04<seanius>latitude: i seem to be able to escape everything with a sed -e 's,\\,\\&,g' -e "s,',\\\\&,g"
12:05<latitude>seanius: not that escaping/
12:05<latitude>seanius: I was talking about escape sequences of terminals
12:06<latitude>like in bash prompt
12:06<seanius>oh, you want mysql output to escape *to* colors?
12:06<padski>like PS1
12:06<latitude>yep
12:06<seanius>that seems like a bad idea
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12:07<latitude>why not?
12:07<padski>$MYSQL-PS1
12:08<seanius>oh, if you're just talking PS1 then i guess that's not so bad an idea
12:08<seanius>i was thinking like output from command line queries
12:09<seanius>but no, i don't think it's possible then
12:09<seanius>at least after r'ing tfm that's the impression i get
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12:09<latitude>seanius: in fact i saw that recently, so it is possible
12:09<latitude>however I had not a chance to look at the actual string
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12:18<p>i can finde my ballllllllsssss^^^hahaha no no
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12:38<fxiny>Supaplex: eureka ! wmii ;)
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12:58<ferretsrule>How do I get apt-get to reinstall apache2? I messed something up and ran the command to remove it and then reinstalled it, but the error was still there so I deleted /etc/apache2 to see if it would just recreate that directory but it doesn't.
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13:00<the-dude>apt-get install --reinstal apache2
13:00<the-dude>--reinstall
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13:03<ferretsrule>thanks
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13:07<zuizz>If I understand http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-cdrom correctly I can use the debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso image to install a base Debian system without the need of a working network. Right?
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13:07<Hydroxide>zuizz: yes
13:08<zuizz>And debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso is also bootable?
13:08<Hydroxide>yes
13:08<zuizz>OK. Thank you. :-)
13:08<Hydroxide>no problem :)
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13:08<zuizz>I was shocked about the 21 cd iso images of Debian 4.0. :-)
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13:09<x_dott>anyone know of any good perl ide's
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13:10<fxiny>emacs
13:10<x_dott>ehh.. besides the usual editors
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13:11<zuizz>x_dott: Epic for Eclipse? But only if your machine can handle this bulldozer.
13:11<zuizz>http://e-p-i-c.sourceforge.net/
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13:11<Sir_Leonhart>chi di voi parla italiano °°
13:12<fxiny>usual ? emacs+ecb is not that usual
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13:12<Sir_Leonhart>mmmmh a quanto pare nessuno
13:12<Sir_Leonhart>xD
13:12<fxiny>Sir_Leonhart: Supaplex speaks italian fluently
13:13<x_dott>hmm, ive used eclipse before for java.. probably overkill for perl
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13:13<Sir_Leonhart>Supaplex it's on?!
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13:14<padski>!ides
13:14<dpkg>i heard ides is beware the march of IDEs!
13:14<Sir_Leonhart>thk u fxiny ^^
13:15<fxiny>Sir_Leonhart: you are welcome ;)
13:15<Sir_Leonhart>:P
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13:17<fxiny>hahah ides , i think a nice factoid could be : "why Manteca ? why not ? " maybe a new acronym wmwn
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13:24<fxiny>Sir_Leonhart: what's your problem ?
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13:27*phillipsjk guesses that Sir_Leonhart is used to IDEs being tied to a specific prgramming language.
13:27<gallois>hello all! i installed debian lenny some time ago and used gnome as my default desktop. later on i installed kde, but since it comes with too many apps and i wanted to clean my kmenu a bit, i removed some packages that i wouldn't use (such as the educational ones). i used apt-get remove. now when i install or remove something via apt, it warns me about removing packages that were auto-installed and can be removed via autoremove. those packages were not the
13:27<gallois>ones i was wishing to remove, (kate, kcalc, and so on). what can i do in order to get them out of the autoremove list?
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13:29<id>hi all!!!11
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13:30<janrocks>hi id
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13:31<gallois>anyone?
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13:32<themill>gallois: use aptitude unmarkauto on strategic packages, or install one of the smaller kde metapackages. /msg dpkg install kde
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13:33<vodi>hi id
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13:34<deliver>Guten Tach, wie komme ich nach #kanotix?
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13:35<chealer>gallois: you can unmark them as automatically installed (for example, # apt-get install kde-core)
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13:37<vodi>@deliver welchen irc-client hast du?
13:37<vodi>meistens mit "/join kanotix"
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13:37<gallois>themill: i'll try the second one. the first one says it will remove everything ¬¬
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13:40<gallois>themill: ok! here we go! thank you very much! =D
13:40<leo>Alright, so, I asked the other day why the file transfer wouldn't work, and someone said something about it being nautilus
13:40<themill>gallois: no worries. have fun
13:41<leo>Does anyone know what it is?
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13:49<leo>Alright, so, I asked the other day why the file transfer wouldn't work, and someone said something about it being nautilus
13:49<leo>Does anyone know what it is?
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14:02<antonio>hola alguien habla castellano
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14:03<antonio>hola hola
14:03<themill>!es
14:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:03<antonio>si y como voy
14:04<antonio>es la primero vez que me meto aquí
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14:05<antonio>hola alguién que hable un poco de Español
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14:06<antonio>como me conecto a chat en Español
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14:06<avu>!es
14:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:08<sasha>hi i m trying to install source compiled package but checkinstall raise some strange errors what can i do ?
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14:16<sx07ca4>hi
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14:17<sx07ca4>hi chantanito
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14:18<sx07ca4>hi leo
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14:19<leo>Alright, so, I asked the other day why the file transfer wouldn't work, and someone said something about it being nautilus
14:19<leo>Does anyone know what it is?
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14:29<_haxi_>sometimes, when I open a link with leftbutton(same window), iceweasel segfault. But If I open them in a new window, or even in a new tab, no segfault, any idea?
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14:31<leo>Alright, so, I asked the other day why the file transfer wouldn't work, and someone said something about it being nautilus
14:31<leo>Does anyone know what it is?
14:31<blunted>probably gonna need more info than that
14:31<leo>Well, the file just won't transfer
14:31<leo>Says it failed
14:31<leo>With any file
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14:32<blunted>like when you move a file from one folder to another?
14:32<leo>No, when I left-click someone's name, and select transfer file
14:33<blunted>on irc
14:33<leo>And it seems to disconnect and reconnect me after I try
14:33<leo>On here, Konversation
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14:33<blunted>I dont use conversation but if your files aren't sending and you are behind a router you might have to forward some ports before you can send stuff
14:33<blunted>k*
14:34<leo>Well, I've thought about that, but after searching on the net, people all said that they've tried that, and it didn't do anything for them
14:34<blunted>use xchat or irssi and see if you can send a file with them?
14:35<leo>k
14:35<leo>BUt those all use DCC transfer, don't they?
14:35<leo>Same as Konv
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14:36<MoDaX>leo: if you are behind router without IRC DCC support, you can't send files. but you should be able to receive files
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14:36<leo>Well, would you then please try and send me one to see if that is true?
14:36<leo>Like... a text file or something like that
14:36<MoDaX>leo: ok
14:37*blunted sends leo madnakedgayprons.zip
14:37<leo>Umm, I'd rather not have any mad naked gay prons
14:38<blunted>you say that now
14:38<blunted>but wait till you see it
14:38<MoDaX>leo: accept
14:38<leo>Hmm, okay
14:38<leo>It's working
14:39<blunted>that means you probably got router issues
14:39<MoDaX>leo: now send me one
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14:40<leo>I have
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14:41<MoDaX>leo: your client sends good ip, but port is closed
14:41<leo>Okay, so I need to forward some ports?
14:41<MoDaX>leo: yes
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14:46<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How can I setup CPU Frequency scaling so it does what I want when I am on Battery power?
14:48<theimrot>hello
14:48<theimrot>which package contains xmms
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14:49<theimrot>hello somebody here
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14:53<chealer>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: which X session type do you use?
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14:54<chealer>theimrot: which Debian suite do you use?
14:55<theimrot>chealer: debian lenny
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14:55<Guest1049>hello Can someone help me to solve boot fail due to the fact that my initramfs was built without sed and tr ?
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14:56<chealer>theimrot: xmms, but that is not included in lenny
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14:58<embkas>when i click a link in icedove i open it in konqueror, what do i do?
14:58<Pryon>system->preferences->preferred applications
14:59<Pryon>(probably)
14:59<panthera>.oO(update-alternative --config x-www-browser)
14:59<Pryon>Oooooh. Shiny. Thanks, panthera
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15:00<Guest1049>id someone else have problem with initramfs under sid ?
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15:00<chealer>embkas: you celebrate?
15:01<embkas>chealer: ?
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15:01<embkas>have I anything to celebrate?
15:02<rdhanson>Good afternoon roomies, anyone care to help me(the newbie) configure a WPC54GS-CA to work with debian?
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15:02<chealer>embkas: I don't know. we don't know what you do.
15:03<embkas>I want to celebrate a succesfull cinlerra-course yesterday - on my teachers colleagaues ( I got help on the lis
15:03<embkas>t
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15:05<embkas>yo, celebrate with me!
15:05<Guest1049>how can I acess a crypted lvm2 filesystem from live cd ?
15:05<embkas>cinerella is a nice project -.-)
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15:06<phillipsjk>!Ubuntu ?
15:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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15:09<GhostlyDeath|Laptop><chealer> GhostlyDeath|Laptop: which X session type do you use? <-- What do you mean?
15:09<chealer>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: do you use KDE?
15:09<phillipsjk>OIC, you are trying to fix your sid install :P
15:09<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>chealer: Never
15:09<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>chealer: I use GNOME
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15:10<Kebianizao|work>Hello
15:10<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Greetings
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15:10<Kebianizao|work>is it possible to attach to a proccess whose binary is know as soon as it is started?
15:11<Kebianizao|work>something like gdb -p before knowing the pid
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15:11<theinfiltrated>ciao a tutti
15:11<theinfiltrated>una semplice informazione
15:11-!-Guest1049 is now known as sidux_
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15:12<theinfiltrated>per installarmi una distro mentre continuo ad usare il mio SO
15:12<Kebianizao|work>!it
15:12<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
15:12<theinfiltrated>posso virtualizzare con virtualbox?se si come si fà?
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15:12<theinfiltrated>ah scusate è il canale internazionale
15:12<theinfiltrated>sorry!
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15:13<poni>#ubuntueffects
15:13<theimrot>how can i open .jnlp-files with firefox? Java-package is installed
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15:15<chealer>theimrot: is Sun Java installed?
15:15<theimrot>no
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15:15<chealer>theimrot: you need some JRE installed
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15:16<poni>Sorry but, what was the channel for asking about and discussing ubuntu desktop effects?
15:16<theimrot>chealer: package sun-java6
15:17<chealer>theimrot: what?
15:17<theimrot>chaeler: which package from sun i have to install?
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15:17<chealer>theimrot: which Debian suite do you use?
15:18<theimrot>debian lenny
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15:20<theimrot>chealer: debian lenny
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15:20<chealer>theimrot: sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin
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15:25<rgsouza>e
15:26<rgsouza>è acho que quero conhecer este bem
15:27<rgsouza>Não tem jente aqui pra mem espricar
15:27<avu>!br
15:27<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:27<rgsouza> #debianbr
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15:30<_haxi_>what's the wget argument to d/l all files from a directory?
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15:31*lupine_85 tends to use --mirror
15:31<lupine_85>probably a bit much for what you want, though
15:33<rgsouza>ei
15:33<rgsouza>want
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15:33<rgsouza> my sistem
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15:35*Ursk hello to all
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15:36<cptOvious>Mind if i ask a question, mainly about the .iso?
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15:37<guillaume>how can I upgrade busybox from a live cd (sidux) on my lvm2 filesystem ? (bug #472382)
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15:37<Guest1053>ya des francais
15:37<guillaume>Guest1053: Yes
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15:37<CptObvious>is : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/alpha/bt-cd/ (CD 1)) All i need to d/l and mount to a CD to install debian? If not ill keep looking..
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15:40<blarson>CptObvious: download and boot from the cd.
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15:40<gaucho>Hi! I'm looking for a website for reading news and tricks, only for medium or advanced computer's users (nothing like: how to install programs using apt-get) and free of policy, only technical reading.. Anyone know one?
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15:40<chealer>CptObvious: which CPU do the target machines use?
15:40<CptObvious>i tried the alpha-1 cd, but when i reoot and set CD drive as first boot priority it desnt recognise it as a boot disk..
15:41<CptObvious>its this one, one sec.
15:41<CptObvious>AMD Sempron
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15:42<blarson>CptObvious: alpha is for machines with an alpha cpu. You probably want i386
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15:43<CptObvious>ah right, thankyou.
15:43<CptObvious>Im gonna go fnd that then
15:43<leo>MoDax?
15:43<CptObvious>no wonder the bloody thing wasnt recognising
15:44<MoDaX>leo: sorry, please repeat whatever you said
15:44<leo>I didn't say anything, I was just trying to get your attention
15:44<leo>BUT
15:44<leo>I wanted ot know if you knew what ports needed to be forwarded
15:44<leo>I can't find anywhere what ports need to be forwarded for Konversation
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15:45<MoDaX>leo: settings->configure konversation->behavior->DCC->enable specific ports for DCC transfer server. set the range yourself
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15:45<leo>ha, wow, thanks
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15:46<MoDaX>leo: and ping me if you want to test
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15:48<Ursk>this is my kmix http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot6ti5.png... if down the switch "Master" nothing happens...while if down the switch "PCM" the audio is off and even if re-active the audio is disable..help me
15:49<MoDaX>Ursk: try alsamixer
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15:49<CptObvious>Question: How will debian recognise my modem to connect online? I doubt it has the driver naturally..
15:50<CptObvious>And i do not believe the driver disk contains drivers for linux.
15:51<flypiper>CptObvious, do lspci and look for a modem
15:51<flypiper>what kinda modem is it?? PCI is the best
15:51<CptObvious>External, outdated.
15:51<Ursk>MoDax: is the same..
15:51<guillaume>does anybody succed in solving the busybox bug with sed and tr ? how ?
15:52<CptObvious>motorola sb4200
15:52<MoDaX>Ursk: then it's a problem with audio drivers
15:52<CptObvious>So Debian should just recognise it and allow connection?
15:52<flypiper>CptObvious, google motorola sb4200 linux.. and see if anyone has a config for it
15:52<flypiper>it uses serial port ... correct??
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15:52<Ursk>i try to compile the alsa-driver... but nothing..
15:52<flypiper>you might be able to use minicom to talk to it
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15:53<CptObvious>USB
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15:53<flypiper>CptObvious, install usbview and take a look at your usb devices.. it might be there
15:54<flypiper>dunno..
15:54<CptObvious>basically, find a driver online, put it onto a usb, install linux, take driver from usb. Sorted, thankyou
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15:55<flypiper>CptObvious, you google the modem and if you find a config that somebody has used it might tell you what kernel module you will have to load in the kernel to use it
15:56<MoDaX>Ursk: get a newer kernel
15:56<flypiper>CptObvious, which is modprobe usbmodemdriver-somename
15:56<MoDaX>Ursk: what debian release are you running?
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15:56<Ursk>debian sid
15:57<CptObvious>i presume that will make sense when debian is installed, if not i can dual back to win and fiddle :P
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15:57<flypiper>CptObvious, make sure the modem is plugged up when you install debian.. the installer might find it... oh. going back to windhuhs.. that would be painful..
15:58<Ursk>but i had the same problems with lenny
15:58<flypiper>CptObvious, winduhs modem questions are off topic here.. you will have to ask the dudes in #windows
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16:06<knoppix_>hi
16:06<_haxi_>mh, how can I fix the "cannot set the system clock" @ boot
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16:12<leo>Hey, MoDax?
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16:12<MoDaX>leo: I'm here
16:12<Entheogen>what ports should i enable on iptables so samba could work?
16:12<Entheogen>is that only 445/tcp port?
16:12<leo>Can I try sending you a file now?
16:12<MoDaX>leo: yes
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16:13<leo>I've sent it
16:13<MoDaX>leo: failed. which rage have you chose?
16:13<MoDaX>range*
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16:14<MoDaX>your client used 1026 for this send
16:15<MoDaX>leo: have you restarted konvi?
16:15<leo>No, I haven't
16:15<leo>I'll do that
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16:21<leo>Alright, I'm back
16:21<leo>Let's see how it works now
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16:22<leo>Modax?
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16:23<Rafaela>oi
16:24<Rafaela>qual o endereco do xchat par ao ubuntu
16:24<Rafaela>irc.ubuntu.com.br
16:24<Rafaela>nao entra
16:24<padski>!br
16:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:24<padski>!ubuntu
16:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:39<buffalo>yo
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16:41<hellues>how can i create random character in nobody is in #c
16:41<hellues>i ask because of this reason
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16:43<azeem>hellues: then wait a couple of hours, this channel is not for general programming advise, sorry
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16:44<hellues>i understand thatr but i have to complete my project in 1 hour cant you give a little advise
16:44<hellues>:D
16:44<azeem>no
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16:49<padski>is #c for random programming advice ?
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16:52<noppe>i have a little problem with shutdown/reboot. lenny hangs almost every single time. it seems like it logs out of kde/gnome normally, but then hangs with just a black screen.
16:53<chealer>padski: one would guess not, but they might know better
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16:54<nikkkolas>may i ask a question about ubintu ?
16:54<nikkkolas>*ubuntu LoL
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16:55<noflash>nikkkolas, try #ubuntu on freenode
16:55<nikkkolas>thnx
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16:56<guillaume>does anybody succeed in solving the busybox bug with sed and tr ? how ?
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16:57<rompebolas1234>?
16:57<rompebolas1234>1
16:57<rompebolas1234>2
16:57<rompebolas1234>where is it??
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17:02<hellues>padski,
17:02<hellues>yep
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17:05<chealer>guillaume: which busybox bug with sed and tr ?
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17:06<guillaume>chealer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472382 I'm searching how to fix that without success until now
17:08<guillaume>chealer: initrd fail to start without sed and tr
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17:08<lontra_>new testing kernel again :P ... seems like every week now
17:09<chealer>guillaume: yes
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17:09<chealer>guillaume: according to the changelog by making "the shell use applets first"
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17:11<chealer>lontra_: more like every couple of months
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17:14<guillaume>chealer: how can I solve this problem
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17:17<guillaume>chealer: I start under sidux but don't know exactly how I can upgrade busybox and initrd from the live cd
17:18<lontra_>2.6.24 just enetered and now 2.6.24.4 is here
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17:19<lontra_> oh maybe i'm confused
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17:27<chealer>guillaume: I guess by upgrading busybox and rebuilding initrd-s
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17:29<guillaume>chealer: I wanna do that but I have to get access to my hdd wich is an lvm2 filesystem using cryptosetup...
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17:35<jutard>hallo
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17:35<jutard>whereami
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17:37<jutard>are you a person
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17:40<guillaume>chealer: I open my lvm2 file system, is it possible to do a sort of chroot on it in order to use aptitude ?
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17:41<chealer>guillaume: I suppose
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17:43<PhiberOptik957>hello all
17:43<jutard>what up
17:43<PhiberOptik957>im trying to install Debian 4 on an AMDx2 64 machnie with an MSI Mobo....it locks up just after the boot screen
17:44<PhiberOptik957>hangs after IO Scheduler CFQ Register (default)
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17:47<PhiberOptik957>if no one has heard of this problem.....any suggestions on where to go? is there a debian support channel? ive tried google..............i remember this room being alot more lively last time i was here (5 years ago LOL
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17:49<jutard>did you try searching and/or posting in debian forums?
17:49<jkl4>How "free" is the contrib section? I just going to run only free software.
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17:50<jkl4>Why is bcm43xx-fwcutter in contrib ?
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17:51<padski_>jkl4, it needs non-free software to do its job
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17:52<jkl4>then why there is contrib ? it could be non-free
17:52<padski_>jkl4, in this case the firmware that it cuts. I wouldn't get all that stressed about firmware. the electronics people seem to come from another planet
17:53<jkl4>so if I install a package from contrib it can include non-free software ? I read it must match the DFSG
17:54<padski_>!contrib
17:54<dpkg>well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
17:54<Mr_Giraffe>so GNOME is telling me that i can't mount an external HDD because it's NTFS, which is fine. i need to format it, but all i have is the volume name
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17:54<Mr_Giraffe>how do i find out where the drive "is" and format it?
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17:54<PhiberOptik957>jutard: no I havent, i will try that next. .... i figured if i try google that would search the forums also
17:55<amphi>Mr_Giraffe: look at your log when you plug it in; you should see the device name
17:55<Mr_Giraffe>amphi, where's the log? D:
17:55<Mr_Giraffe>(sorry for the dumb)
17:55<amphi>/var/log/syslog
17:55<chealer>jkl4: because the software itself is "free"
17:55<Mr_Giraffe>most excellent
17:55<amphi>Mr_Giraffe: or /var/log/messages
17:56<chealer>jkl4: no
17:56<jkl4>chealer that was how I understand it and not understand it ;) Then why its not in main...
17:57<jkl4>because parts could need non-free...
17:57<chealer>jkl4: main is the component for fully supported software
17:57<padski_>jkl4, freedom to redistribute is a very important practical freedom.
17:58<jkl4>Ahh fwcutter is a tool to get firmware from proprietay drivers... so it must be in contrib. the tool itself is free...
17:59<guillaume>when I try to mount root debian -wi-ao 21,54G I get this output : mount: special device /dev/debian/root does not exist
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18:05<jkl4>thanks !
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18:13<twb>I have a bunch of machines that operate headless, offsite (at people's homes). It just occurred to me that I could use the system beep to emit diagnostic strings in morse code, so that when talking to the user over the phone I can differentiate between "I have a transient failure and will fix myself" and "I've fallen and I can't get up" and "the idiot you're talking to has unplugged my network cable".
18:14<twb>Is there a package to emit morse code using the system beep?
18:14<padski_>twb, like post codes
18:14<twb>I know about `beep'; I'm hoping for something higher-level, where I can just pipe a string of dots, dashes and spaces to it.
18:15<padski_>http://kerneltrap.org/node/355
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18:16<twb>padski_: using the beeper would be better than the keyboard LEDs because 1) there's no keyboard connected; and 2) they can hold the telephone up to the box
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18:16<padski_>twb, see cw
18:16<twb>cw?
18:16<padski_>"This package contains a simple command line client called cw, which sounds
18:16<padski_>characters as Morse code on the console speaker."
18:17<amphi>padski_: heh
18:17<twb>Cool
18:17<guillaume>how can I mount /dev/debian/root (ACTIVE '/dev/debian/root' [21,54 GB] inherit) under sidux ?
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18:18<padski_>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_codewave
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18:18<twb>Now to find a machine which has a system beep, apparently my EeePC doesn't :-(
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18:21<owner>Hey Gang. Since the flashplayer-nonfree has been pulled, what do we use when a client has kids that insist on YouTubing?? :-(
18:22<twb>owner: mplayer?
18:22<owner>twb, My Bad. Flash via (within) FireFox (IceWeasel).
18:23<twb>flashplugin-nonfree seems to exist here...
18:23<Pryon>Tell 'em to go out and mow the lawn
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18:24<twb>Why do you say "it has been pulled"?
18:25<panagos>is there a way to install python for i386 in parallel to python for amd64 on an amd64 system? so i can use psyco :D
18:25<owner>twb, oh? when I search via apt-cache it says it's mentioned but no install canidate. (etch)
18:26<twb>owner: hmm, try bpo
18:26<twb>owner: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?packages=flashplugin-nonfree
18:26<owner>Pryon, "I" agree, but when it's a clients choice....we're sorta stuck.
18:26<twb>panagos: currently biarch support blows and in general I think you have to use a chroot.
18:27<chealer>owner: which Debian suite do you use?
18:27<twb>chealer: he said, etch.
18:28<owner>chealer, this is etch, installed via a net-install.
18:28<chealer>owner: install it from backports
18:28<owner>should i nopaste my sources.list for you folks to look at?
18:28<twb>owner: once installed, where you installed it from makes no real difference
18:28<chealer>owner: no need
18:29<twb>!tell owner about bpo
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18:30<owner>twb, Thank You Good Sir! :-)
18:30<owner>(or Ma'am, as the case my/may not be)
18:30<twb>owner: you dropped a comma.
18:30<guillaume>can someone help me to access to my lvm2 root partition of my hdd : http://pastebin.com/m13b1de8b
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18:31<owner>twb, if that was ALL I dropped, I'm content. :-)
18:31*twb laments the laxity of youth
18:31<owner>HAHAHAHAHA!
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18:32<owner>That is a first! Haven't been accused of that for....thirty years or so! :-)
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18:32<amphi>hmm, not a yoof then
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18:33<omax>salve
18:34<owner>amphi, nope. (heavy sigh) I'm in the oldphart catagory now.
18:34<omax>qualcuno mi dice come posso fare per andare in ubuntu.it?
18:34<amphi>owner: I also feel the mantle of phartitude descending upon me - a noble and corroded garment
18:34<twb>amphi: compared to slate he's pretty young.
18:35<twb>!tell omax about it
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18:39<owner>drats. MD5 checksum mismatch
18:39<owner>:-(
18:39<twb>I hate that
18:39<twb>Fucking apt-cacher
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18:40<twb>Or squid saying "oh, Packages.gz is big, I will cache it, but the checksum file is small, it can update"
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18:43<amphi>heh
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18:46<rdhanson>Help anyone? How do you remove the read only attibute from a file?
18:46<azeem>man chmod
18:46<rdhanson>Thank you
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18:49<owner>Okay, well I've got the backports now so that's better. Next is to figure out why this G4 Cube doesn't get video in X11 and nobody is answering up in #DebianPPC
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18:53<cjac>is there a way to list resolvconf's metadata, as in from where did it get the nameservers that it lists in /etc/resolv.conf?
18:53<guillaume>can you explain me what's happening with mount http://pastebin.com/m1e71a66c ? The lv isn't mounted in my filesystem
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18:55<cjac>guillaume: could you paste `df -h`?
18:55*cjac doesn't read the output of `mount` natively
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18:59<guillaume>cjac: cjac : http://pastebin.com/m5a3fb501
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19:00<cjac>wow. what's aufs?
19:00<guillaume>cjac: i'm trying to mount my debian-root lv in order to do a chroot and use aptitude to solve busybox bug
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19:01<guillaume>cjac: I boot on sidux live cd in order to repair my sid initrd
19:01<guillaume>cjac: a ramdisk
19:02<cjac>alrighty. ls -ld /mnt/debian-root/ ?
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19:02<cjac>(does it exist?)
19:03<cjac>try specifying /dev/mapper/debian-root instead of /dev/debian/root ?
19:03<cjac>have you tried mounting it elsewhere?
19:03<cjac>e2fsck -fy /dev/debian/root ?
19:03<guillaume>cjac: i create the directory in order to mount the lv : drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 2008-04-09 00:25 /mnt/debian-root/
19:04<cjac>`which mount`? is it busybox? does busyboxy know how to mount the fs type of that lv?
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19:05<rdhanson>I am trying to edit /etc/default/ifplugd any suggestions on the steps to save the changes?
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19:05<guillaume>cjac: nope I use mount from sidux, /dev/mapper/debian-root return same error as /dev/debian/root
19:06<cjac>guillaume: mount --version
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19:07<guillaume>cjac: e2fsck -fy /dev/debian/root return me an output telling me that the filesystem is mounted or used
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19:07<cjac>what's in /etc/mtab?
19:07<guillaume>cjac: mount (util-linux-ng 2.13.1-rc1)
19:08<cjac>and /proc/mounts
19:08<cjac>did you try 'umount /dev/debian/root' ?
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19:11<guillaume>cjac: http://pastebin.com/m5099ad9f
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19:13<guillaume>cjac: I unlock the lvm2 partition with cryptsetup
19:13<cjac>well, why is it telling you it's mounted? 'strace mount /dev/debian/root /mnt/debian-root/'
19:13<cjac>guillaume: ah. did that do it? :)
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19:16<oza>is there anyway to make rm * delete files when there are more then 5000 files in the directory?
19:16<guillaume>cjac: http://pastebin.com/m28fe78d0
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19:16<cjac>rdhanson: I'm not familiar with ifplugd... which package is it a part of?
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19:17<cjac>oza: find ./ -name '*' -exec rm \{\} \;
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19:19<cjac>guillaume: #
19:19<cjac>mount("/dev/mapper/debian-root", "/mnt/debian-root/", "fuseblk", MS_MGC_VAL, NULL) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
19:20<cjac>guillaume: is there a limit to the number of fuse block devices you can mount?
19:20<guillaume>cjac: how can I check that ?
19:20<cjac>*shrug* fuse docs?
19:21<themill>oza: use xargs or the -exec option to find for that. e.g. find . -print0 | xargs -0 rm
19:21<themill>oza: not that that is recursive whereas rm * would not be
19:22<themill>note*
19:23<cjac>oza: find ./ -name '*' -maxdepth 1 -exec rm \{\} \;
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19:23<oza>thanks for that themill cjac
19:23<cjac>:)
19:23<themill>cjac: he's not trying to delete a file called *
19:23<cjac>themill: try it
19:23<themill>cjac: the -name bit isn't required
19:24<cjac>true... but it gives him a place to modify the name if he wants to :)
19:24<themill>indeed
19:24<themill>cjac: (you're right about the globbing on * though)
19:24<themill>cjac: I do prefer the xargs solution as it is substantially faster though
19:25<cjac>I find that I'm overly cautious with quoting
19:25<themill>:)
19:25<cjac>yes, but I always forget that syntax
19:25<themill>best to be
19:26<cjac>I think an unquoted '*' would be expanded by the shell (which was the original problem)... if it's quoted, I /believe/ it is expanded/matched by find
19:26<themill>that's correct
19:27<guillaume>cjac: there no limit mention into docs
19:27<themill>Many/most other utilities wouldn't expand the * though. So rm '*' removes the literal filename * without expanding it.
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19:29<cjac>guillaume: I wonder why it's throwing an EBUSY then...
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19:30<guillaume>cjac: you're under sid ?
19:30<cjac>themill: I've found that find is a strange beast in many ways...
19:30<cjac>guillaume: sometimes :)
19:30<cjac>guillaume: I have more than one box
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19:31<themill>cjac: I had the misfortune to use IRIX find today... and half the options that I was used to with gnu find were missing ;( Same with make. Same with just about every tool that I tried to use.
19:31<guillaume>cjac: I use sidux in order to try to recover my sid install but maybe there's better live cd no ?
19:33<cjac>guillaume: I use my usb dongle :)
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19:33<cjac>guillaume: you should find out what causes an EBUSY...
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19:35<guillaume>cjac: could it be the use of KUKS ?
19:35<guillaume>LUKS*
19:36<ananda>will a 32mb ATI Radeon 7500 be able to display X at 1920x1200 effectively or will it be painful?
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19:40<somae7>how can I see how much swap memory is set in the swap file?
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19:40<rdhanson>cjac: I am trying to configure a wireless network card to work with debian and I am going thru some manual instructions
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19:41<somae7>and if the swap partition is functioning properly
19:41<themill>somae7: free (or top)
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19:45<amphi>somae7: cat /proc/swaps
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19:45<somae7>it says 224508k total for memory and 658656k total for swap - I had set the swap file to 2G
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19:47<somae7>(this was from "top")
19:47<dondelelcaro>somae7: /proc/swaps is the authoritative loction
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19:51<rdhanson>Anyone familiar with configuring a WPC54GS-CA to work with Debian?
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19:52<guillaume>cjac: thank you for helping me :)
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19:54<ananda>rdhanson: do you know what the chipset is? lspci should tell you.
19:54<hellues>!paste
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19:54<cjac>rdhanson: take a look at /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces)
19:54<cjac>rdhanson: you'll want to set up the essid, and company
19:55<cjac>I always do it manually, myself
19:55<rdhanson>Thank you
19:55<cjac>'iwlist scanning' will give you a list of the ESSIDs
19:55<themill>Driver support is the first problem though....
19:55<cjac>'iwconfig <device> essid <essid>' will set the esside
19:55<cjac>'dhclient <device>' will get an address, assuming there's DHCP on the access point
19:55<ananda>rdhanson: the easy lazy way to do it is network-manager from Gnome or KDE.
19:56<themill>ananda: some chipsets don't work with networkmanager. Careful!
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19:56<somae7>dondel: /proc/swaps says 658656
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19:57<somae7>seems like the swapfile has somehow changed?
19:58<ananda>I know but if they use the generic wireless extensions it should be ok.
19:59<ananda>a little googling has informed me that the WPC54GS has a Broadcom chipset, good luck, you'll need it!
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20:01<rdhanson>ananda: I was googling too that is why I picked this card it seemed to imply it would easily configure to Debian
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20:01<somae7>I started suspecting this because the screen froze a few times recently and I had to turn off the computer with the on/off switch to reboot
20:01<rdhanson>I only have a few dlink/Linksys cards to choose from, might you have a suggesteion
20:01<ananda>rdhanson: basically I'd try a bang up to date kernel for Broadcom wireless chipsets
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20:02<ananda>sorry can't say but Atheros or Ralink based cards seem to the best supported
20:02<themill>intel ftw
20:03<ananda>I think he wants a PCMCIA card.
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20:03<themill>I know... that's the trouble with the intel chips. (video too)
20:03<ananda>Personally I'm having trouble with the latest iwlwifi driver in my laptop, so Intel isn't all good right now.
20:04<themill>ananda: what's the hassle? iwlwifi is pretty good these days
20:04<ananda>I'm on the iwlwifi mailing list so I've been on to them
20:04<themill>ok
20:05<ananda>Basically on my AMD64 laptop with Lenny, I can only transfer at 1 mbit/s on my wlan
20:05<ananda>got full whach with the old ipw3945 driver
20:05<ananda>whack not whach sorry.
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20:06<themill>eww... that's a bit nasty.
20:06<ananda>One of the Intel guys asked me to carry out some tests which did show transfer rates up to about 40 mbit but still downloads at 1mbit.
20:06<somae7>seems like one of the most recent debian updates changed the swapfile
20:07<ananda>so there must be a bug in the driver, will file I bug report when I get the chance.
20:07<themill>ananda: happy hunting :)
20:08<ananda>and I have a R500 based gpu - let's not go there but it will get better soon hopefully.
20:08<themill>heh
20:08<themill>anyway... well past bedtime for me
20:08<themill>dpkg: g'night
20:08<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
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20:09<ananda>rdhanson: which Debian version are you using?
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20:47<guillaume>how can I use aptitude under chroot ?
20:47<guillaume>got dns problem
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20:49<guillaume>cjac: my problem was cryptsetup, i've solve it and now i'm under my root hdd filesystem
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20:57<Supaplex>guillaume: cp /etc/resolv.conf into the chroot
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20:59<hellues>!paste
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21:04<guillaume>Supaplex: I ever try that : cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/debian-root/etc/resolv.conf Output :cp: ne peut créer le fichier régulier `/mnt/debian-root/etc/resolv.conf': Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
21:05<Supaplex>try LANG=C cp ... before you paste an error message I don't understand
21:07<guillaume>Supaplex: it tell that the regular file '/mnt/debian-root/etc/resolv.conf' can't be create. No file or directory of this type.
21:07<Supaplex>ls -l /mnt/debian-root/etc/resolv.conf
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21:08<Supaplex>also, you might want to also tell us how you decided this is a dns problem.
21:09<guillaume>Supaplex: it's describe on webpage from google. And when I start aptitude in my chroot it fail complaining about resolving dns problem
21:10<Supaplex>so, is /mnt/debian-root/etc/resolv.conf there? ls -l it please
21:10<guillaume>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2008-03-14 10:49 /mnt/debian-root/etc/resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
21:10<Supaplex>is your network interface up?
21:10<guillaume>Supaplex: i'm talking to you with it
21:10<Supaplex>ahh resolvconf... I'm not very familar with that animal
21:11<Supaplex>you could try cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf but for all I know resolvconf might change it back
21:11<Supaplex>into the chroot of course :)
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21:12<guillaume>Supaplex: my actual conf is start from sidux, cryptsetup open lurks on LVM2 , I mount debian-root lv and chroot debian-root in a terminal
21:12<Supaplex>good luck. I'm on my way out on some errands.
21:13<guillaume>Supaplex: thk you for all :)
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21:14<Supaplex>and for what it's worth, we consider sidux a debian spinoff. you should ask the sidux people for help (it's offtopic here)
21:14<guillaume>cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf in chroot fail
21:15<guillaume>Supaplex: sidux is just here as a debian sid rescue disk ;)
21:16<Supaplex>is the filesystem even readwrite? rm /etc/resolv.conf
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21:16<guillaume>Supaplex: yes I've create a file into /etc
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21:16<guillaume>Supaplex: i can cp /etc/hosts to the chroot
21:18<guillaume>Supaplex: I have a bug in sid due to busybox bad maintainer work, making me loosing tr and sed at initrd start...
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21:18<blue_>hello peeps. I am having weird things happening in the terminal.like when install an app it bebins and than scrolls out of control than comes back.I Du from etch to lenny.it asked if i wanted to keep my config file for bash completion or use the maintainers version.i picked the maintainers version,i was thinking if maybe that is my problem.
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21:19<Supaplex>that kind of fun is a sid feature
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21:20<craigevil>the busybox bug was fixed a couple of weeks ago
21:20<guillaume>Supaplex: I know :) but this bug is describe as solve so I wanna do an upgrade from chroot with aptitude but fail with dns stuff
21:20*Supaplex pats his "CYA" netboot option
21:21<Supaplex>I'm at a loss how resolvconf contends with the issue here. I've avoided it early on. Put your thinking cap on and work around it
21:24<blue_>anybody know what would cause the terminal to scroll out of control when installing things?
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21:26<Killing_Frost>Greetings...
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21:27<The>hola
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21:28<qq>blue_: put in history "set unlimited" ?
21:30*Killing_Frost likes using .bash_logout to clear histories and caches.
21:30<blue_>qq: i dont understand qq
21:30<qq>loock in settings of the terminal
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21:31<qq>take a look in settings of the terminal
21:31<blue_>qq: sorry,howdo i dothat?
21:32<qq>which terminal ?
21:32<qq>is a X terminal ?
21:32<blue_>qq: both aterm and xterm do it
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21:34<blue_>qq: dont do in in console
21:35<qq>blue_: ok sorry , use a konsole terminal maybe
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21:36<qq>blue_: apt-get install konsole, if needed
21:36<guillaume>Supaplex: I have the begining of the answer, the /proc/ is empty in my chroot..
21:37<qq>Supaplex: mount -t proc none /proc , in chroot
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21:39<blue_>qq: thanks but need to know what happened.do ya think its becuase i upgraded bash-complete and went with the maintainers version instead of the one i had?
21:41<qq>blue_: before that was ok ?
21:41<blue_>qq: im frustated cause i started with i miniml install and added everything i wanted and now this happens.
21:41<blue_>q
21:42<guillaume>qq: thk u
21:42<qq>blue_: np
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21:42<qq>blue_: oops
21:42<blue_>qq: i beleive but i didnt notice it till then
21:42<qq>guillaume: np
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21:43<kakis>hello
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21:43<qq>blue_: really can't tell you
21:45<guillaume>qq: are you familiar with resolvconf and chroot ?
21:45<blue_>qq: so one thing i did to try to fix was delete the bash profile and bashrc oin my home folder and removed and purged bash completion than installed it again but it didnt work
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21:46<qq>guillaume: maybe but verry tired now
21:46<blue_>qq: thanks for listening.
21:46<qq>blue_: ok tk you
21:47<guillaume>qq: i've open my hdd debian-root lv in chroot and need to launch aptitude that fail because of dns resolution pb. What are the command to fix dns in a chroot. I try cp /etc/resolv.conf into the chroot but it fail
21:48<guillaume>I can write file in the chroot
21:48<qq>guillaume: tu parle francais ?
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21:55<blarson>!fr
21:55<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org.
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22:30<yahya>Ubuntu users?
22:31<vook>see #ubuntu on freenode.net
22:32<vook>(or next time just ask the question without reference to the Debian based distro)...
22:32<abrotman>vook: don't tell people to do that
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22:34<yahya>debian is still the father :)
22:35<abrotman>we still don't support Ubuntu in this channel
22:35<yahya>yeah I know.. I just feel debian lovers hate debian based distros
22:36<yahya>:)
22:36<dondelelcaro>we don't hate them, we just don't want to support them
22:36<vook>abrotman: sorry sincerely. I just angst at the tact of the question.
22:37<abrotman>his question was perfect.. and he should ask the ubuntu channels
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22:38<vook>His question was like asking in #Saab "does anyone here work on cars?"
22:38<dondelelcaro>better, asking in #porsche, does anyone here work on VWs?
22:38<yahya>ok ok guys it's not a big deal .. just let it go
22:38<dondelelcaro>heh
22:38*vook concedes
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22:55<Killing_Frost>VW's would prolly run better with a Porche mechanic.
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22:55<dondelelcaro>yes...
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22:56<Killing_Frost>Would've loved to have a Turbo Carrera in my old Bug.
22:57<dondelelcaro>no reason why you couldn't
22:58<Killing_Frost>There is now. I don't have the Bug any more.
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23:16<qyuth>haii
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23:21<azreal>has anyone experienced data loss over usb mounted filesytems
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23:56<dave_>problems with kompozer
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