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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-04-09

---Logopened Wed Apr 09 00:00:33 2008
---Daychanged Wed Apr 09 2008
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00:02<vicky>ciz
00:03<phillipsjk>azreal: I've started looking for USB certified devices http://www.usb.org (In my case I couldn't even mount the card)
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00:06<modp>hi, some on can help me config my wifi connection ? i have a problem using wpa_supplicant
00:06<modp>*someone
00:07<modp>then it doesnt work, not connect
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00:12<azreal>phillipsjk: odd, well thats a safe alternative however, to trusting the interface to unpack an archive w/o data loss, i dont know for a fact, but im pretty sure that it happened, and it could have been due to a usb version problem.
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00:15<phillipsjk>azreal: is it too late to do an md5sum on the file?
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00:16<phillipsjk>for compliant devices, USB 2.0 is backward compatible with 1.)
00:17<phillipsjk>To clarify the md5 question: can you get the hash of a known good copy?
00:20<dave_>i have problems with kompozer!!
00:21<azreal>phillipsjk: no, but i wont be able to do it for another 4 or 5 days
00:22<phillipsjk>!problem
00:22<dpkg>hmm... problem is something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem.
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00:24*Killing_Frost used to get corrupted update listings when he was using dialup.
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00:25<acu>i upgraded my lenny AMD64 laptop and 2.6.24 kernel seem not to like at all NVIDIA (though I even use the NVIDIA driver from theyr website
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00:37<Killing_Frost>Anyone know if it's safe to remove the .desc, .diff, and tar.gz files from the /usr/src directory when using apt-src?
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00:45<phillipsjk>I just found a possible answer reading TFM!
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01:07<PaYiTo>hi
01:07<PaYiTo>how can i do it a channel?
01:07<PaYiTo>but i need registrer my channel?=
01:10<chealer>PaYiTo: ask #oftc
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01:11<PaYiTo>why in #oftc?
01:11<a>njkllui j
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01:12<chealer>PaYiTo: I don't understand your question, but as far as I can see, it is not related to Debian. if it is, please clarify how.
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01:12<PaYiTo>how can i do a channel?
01:13<chealer>PaYiTo: ask #oftc
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01:13<PaYiTo>ok
01:13<PaYiTo>thanks
01:16<acu>how can I see the log from the boot ?
01:16<acu>my NVidia is not starting up
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01:17<Supaplex>take the boot off and look at the over sized splinter you stepped on ;)
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01:17<Supaplex>try bootlogd, or dmesg, or /var/log/Xorg.*
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02:16<noob>somewhere talk spanish ?
02:16<phillipsjk>!tell noob about sp
02:17<phillipsjk>sorry
02:17<noob>phillipsjk, wht ?
02:17<phillipsjk>!tell noob about es
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02:17<noob>phillipsjk, you speack spanish ?
02:18<noob>phillipsjk, thanks :D
02:18<phillipsjk>no, not really.
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02:21<noob>phillipsjk, you play quake3 ?
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02:35<jesus>hello everyone
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02:35<jesus>is anyone here ?
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02:36<Supaplex>just us sinners
02:36-!-Gsuz [~jesus@ip72-201-99-191.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #debian
02:36<Gsuz>hi
02:36<Supaplex>hi
02:37<Gsuz>can anyone help me
02:37<Supaplex>just anyone? I suppose.
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02:37<Gsuz>hello supplex
02:37<Supaplex>!tell Gsuz -about ask
02:37<Gsuz>I have a problem , I installed a program and now I have a folder and I can delete
02:38<Gsuz>I get this
02:38<Gsuz>rm: cannot remove `/home/jesus/Desktop/Downloads/h': Is a directory
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02:38<Supaplex>use rmdir for directories
02:38<Gsuz>how do I remove it ?
02:38<Gsuz>ok
02:38<Torsten_W>Gsuz: rm -rf /home/jesus/Desktop/Downloads/h
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02:38<noob>rmdir `/home/jesus/Desktop/Downloads/h
02:38<Supaplex>yup. if it's empty, rmdir will work.
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02:39<Gsuz>I get this
02:39<Gsuz>>
02:39<Gsuz>but still there
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02:40<Gsuz>is gone now
02:40<Gsuz>thanks
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02:40<Gsuz>thanks supaplex and noob
02:41<Supaplex>np
02:41<Gsuz>do you guys know any good ebook for debian based distro for a newbie?
02:42<Gsuz>I am using dreamlinux
02:42<Gsuz>wich is debian
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02:45<Slydder>morning all
02:47<chealer>Gsuz: this is a Debian support channel. dreamlinux is not Debian.
02:47<Gsuz>oh ok
02:47<Gsuz>sorry
02:50<Supaplex>we won't stop you from installing debian though :)
02:50<GhostlyDeath>Swiiitch!!! Swiiiiitttchhh!!!!!!!
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02:53<Gsuz>in debian I can't use my wireless
02:54<Gsuz>I have tried already
02:54<Gsuz>but I don't have a wired internet
02:54<Gsuz>and this is the close I can get
02:54<Gsuz>to debian
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02:55<GhostlyDeath>Gsuz: What card do you have?
02:56<Gsuz>I have a wireless usb adapter.. linksy wusb54gc
02:56<Gsuz>using RT73
02:56<Gsuz>but I can't make it work in debian
02:56<noob>i need help to install quake 3
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02:57<Torsten_W>noob: where is the problem? start the installer
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02:58<noob>ehm....
02:59<noob>me english is very bad
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02:59<noob>still use google traslation to talk me problem
03:00<noob>On having tried to install quake 3 with the following order the following thing throws me
03:00<noob>E:/home/noob/Desktop# ./linuxq3apoint-1.32.x86.run
03:00<noob>Verifying archive integrity...tail: no se puede abrir «+6» para lectura: No existe el fichero o el directorio
03:00<noob>Error in check sums 375899461 3293662273
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03:02<GhostlyDeath>What does "no se puede abrir «+6» para lectura: No existe el fichero o el directorio" mean?
03:02<jm_>noob: run it like this: LANG=C ./linuxq3apoint-1.32.x86.run
03:02<jm_>noob: and run 'file linuxq3apoint-1.32.x86.run'
03:02<Torsten_W>noob: your download is corrupt
03:03<noob>Eh lowered the file of three different sites(places) and with the three me the same thing appears
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03:05<mint>hi
03:05<mint>any one up
03:07<janrocks>yup
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03:12<janrocks>GhostlyDeath : unable to open xxx file : File or Directory does not exist
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03:12<GhostlyDeath>janrocks: Does "xxx" exist? =P
03:13<janrocks>no only info I get from error is <<+6>>
03:14<janrocks>if you want it literally as outputted
03:15<janrocks>unable to open <<+6>> for reading : Not exists file or directory
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03:17<mint>hi
03:18<mint>well this is confusing
03:18<mint>im trying to install mint but theres no install icon
03:19<Torsten_W>and where is your debian related question?
03:20<Torsten_W>mint != debian
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03:20<mint>i got debian version
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03:25<azreal>noob: apparently you have an incomplete or currupt archive
03:26<alaya>if i am cloning machines from a golden image, i need to generate new ssh keys on the clones. what is the exact command?
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03:26<alaya>ssh-keygen <something> ?
03:27<Torsten_W>azreal: [09:08:06] *noob has quit (Quit: Saliendo)
03:27<jm_>alaya: you can find it in postinst for ssh daemon
03:27<azreal>Torsten_W: i juste notice i was paged up :P
03:27<alaya>jm_: thanks
03:28<alaya>jm_: that's a great answer, btw, to see how it is done canonically during the install
03:29<jm_>alaya: yup, it's known to work so it's a good thing to just reuse it
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03:31<alaya>jm_: i like the way they embed perl stuff in the sh script
03:32<jm_>alaya: heh that's for config parser
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03:43<morgan`>hello
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03:59<Cyorxamp>Is network-admin a part of gnome? I keep getting this retarded problem with it.
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04:20<Cyorxamp>On network-admin stuff on the DNS tab doesn't save to resolv.conf (DNS Servers, and Search Domains)... it keeps reverting to my default gateways and domain probably over dhcp... I have to keep manually editing resolv.conf... is there a fix for this?
04:21<alaya>ugh sudo sh -c echo "'0' > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" not working. anyone know a workaround?
04:21<alaya>oh wait
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04:23<alaya>sudo sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward="0" doh
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04:27<franklin>Cyorxamp, "echo -n 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" but sysctl is probably wiser.
04:27<Cyorxamp>franklin: First of all what does that do?
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04:32<vook>on probably an ill advised upgrade to Sid - I'm having an issue I haven't seen before and cannot seem to fix. I'm receiving this error during the configuration of module-init-tools: "dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/sbin/depmod' with different file `/sbin/depmod.modutils', not allowed".
04:32<vook>I've tried to install module-init-tools directly using 'dpkg --force-all' but I still receive the same error. Any ideas?
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04:33<franklin>Cyorxamp, It's used when you want to forward IP traffic between 2 network interfaces (it's usually used with iptables)
04:33<franklin>Cyorxamp, ip_foward=0 is the default (don't forward)
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04:33<Cyorxamp>franklin: That doesn't seem even remotely related
04:34<Cyorxamp>franklin: Are you trying to talk to alaya ?
04:34<alaya>Cyorxamp: i think he was talking to me but his info was irrelevant since it won't work under sudo
04:35<vook>I've actually already manually installed the newer version of module-init-tools by simply copying the files from the package. I just need it to configure itself.
04:35<franklin>Yes, I guess (Sorry, i catch the conversation in the middle an dsaw the error message).
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04:41<Cyorxamp>Dont' suppose any of you have an idea on my network-admin util bug?
04:41<franklin>Cyorxamp, I'm digging on your issue.
04:42<franklin>Cyorxamp, BTW, my first thought was to suggest that you reconfigure your DHCP to provide appropriate data.
04:43<franklin>Cyorxamp, ... if you can ;)
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04:46<absolute512>I'm installing deb from mini.iso on a HTPC and want to do it right, can someone assist me? PLZ?
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04:47<absolute512>I'm not a newbie but no expert either... :/
04:48<absolute512>The thng is that after installation I don't want it to behave like a PC, but rather like an appliance
04:48<franklin>Cyorxamp, looks like your problem is known at ubuntu : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/126592
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04:50<azreal>anyone know how to force iceweasel to release the sound card device, so that xmms wont bitch about it? without restarting iceweasel?
04:50<padski>!xmms
04:50<dpkg>it has been said that xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html For alternatives, look at xmms2, rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons
04:50<padski>I see whitespacce
04:51<azreal>or better yet how can they both work at the same time, like they used to?
04:51<Cyorxamp>franklin: I noticed that one, I'm not running ubuntu however... this is etch
04:51<franklin>Cyorxamp, do you use VPN ?
04:51<padski>msg dpkg sound
04:51<Cyorxamp>franklin: No but there are 2 network cards in this
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04:52<franklin>are both of your interface configured for DHCP ?
04:52<Cyorxamp>eth1 is static and active, eth0 is dhcp and inactive (only supposed to get turned on when needed to access another network)
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04:54<franklin>let me quote /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README : " If you have special needs,we'd like to hear about them, but understand that NetworkManager is not intended to serve the needs of all users."
04:54<azreal>padski: grr, so now im forced to abandon xmms, does xmms2 even work the same way, the last i looked into it, it was just a server to attach some stand alone client to
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04:54<Cyorxamp>franklin: what is that supposed to mean?
04:55<padski>azreal, last I heard noone wanted to be listed as a drop-in replacement for xmms
04:55<Cyorxamp>this is roughly my /etc/network/interfaces...
04:55<Cyorxamp>http://rafb.net/p/l5qOEa88.html
04:55<franklin>Cyorxamp, that you may fall in the "special needs" case ;)
04:55<Cyorxamp>I'd hardly call this a special case
04:56<franklin>Cyorxamp, what do you expect to happens, when you plug a cable in DHCP'd interface ? both DNS or just static ones ?
04:56<Cyorxamp>You're telling me the great GNU/Linux, the current mother of all servers... can't deal with 2 network cards properly?
04:56<azreal>padski: i cant imagine giveing up xmms, its like an old friend, and i love it :P
04:56<padski>azreal, I don't know that switching from xmms will solve your problem. is somehting using the OSS ?
04:56<franklin>Cyorxamp, your /e/n/interfaces looks sensible to me.
04:57<azreal>padski: yeah, its one of the mozilla plugins that plays stuff on the web, from youtube etc.
04:57<franklin>Cyorxamp, define "properly", please ;)
04:57<azreal>padski: and if i used the browser, then xmms wont work, because it says something is useing thw sound device, so i have to shutdown iceweasel to get it to work again
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04:58<padski>azreal, not sure, but alsa-oss might help you.
04:59<franklin>azreal, I haven't usedxmms for years, but try instructing xmms to use esd daemon. alternatively, dmix may help.
05:01<azreal>franklin: i think i once used esd, but stopped for some reason, i think it had to do with alsa working differently
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05:02<padski>padski, last time I looked at esound, noone had seriously worked on it for years. I bet that's still the case. I'm amazed it is still around.
05:02<franklin>azreal, DMix may help : http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Etch_on_Thinkpad_T60.html#Sound
05:03<azreal>franklin: thanx, ill give it a look
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05:11<franklin>Cyorxamp, I assume that Networmanager completely ignores your static interface. Have you tried to comment-out the static interface in /e/n/interfaces, then declare it statically in gnome-networkmanager ?
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05:19<azreal>padski: well, i dont feel so bad now as it seems that BMPx and Audacious are both fork of xmms
05:20<franklin>Cyorxamp, ping.
05:21<azreal>would it be recomended for someone who has been away for a bit from things, and hasnt really followed devel in a long time, to consider running stable or testing for a while, to better learn about things that i have missed?
05:21<azreal>for instance, my next thing to read about is D-bus, as i really have no idea what it is about.
05:21<franklin>Cyorxamp, If you're still interested, have a look at resolvconf package & manpage.
05:22<Cyorxamp>franklin: That config was written by network-manager
05:22<Cyorxamp>theres nothing wrong with all that stuff... if I write to resolv.conf myself things work
05:23<Cyorxamp>its whatever that is writing the resolv.conf file that is b0rked
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05:26<franklin>Cyorxamp, /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head or ./tail may help to bypass NM's bug.
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05:27<franklin>Cyorxamp, If I understand your problem, it's that the last interface up (or renewed) wins, whereas you want both DNS to be active.
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05:37<latitude>have a strange issue with mc
05:38<latitude>when logging in by Shell to some servers empty listings show up
05:38<bouc>Hi all, I have problem with ebtables on a debian sid on a sparc station, can anyone help me?
05:40<franklin>latitude, Humm.. have you tried to rename your ~/.mc to get default settings ?
05:41<latitude>franklin: i didn't touched it
05:41<latitude>however i'll try
05:42<latitude>still no files
05:42<latitude>can i enable debugging of VFS somehow?
05:43<franklin>latitude, you said "on some servers". do you have the problem on multiple systems ?
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05:44<latitude>when accessing etch, everything is fine
05:44<latitude>the problem present whn accessing FreeBSD
05:45<latitude>OpenSSH_4.5p1 FreeBSD-20061110
05:47<franklin>latitude, do you have the problem when you execute mc locally on those systems (or through screen) ?
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05:50<ilias>hi all. i am new in debian. could u plz advise me which is the best distribution for a P celeron @ 650 with 64 mb ram?
05:51<bouc>Hi all, I have problem with ebtables on a debian sid on a sparc station, can anyone help me?
05:52<padski>!ask
05:52<padski>!ping
05:53<padski>bouc, dunno. tell us about your problem
05:54<padski>ilias, debian is a distribution. which distro do you expect to hear advocated here ?
05:54<franklin>ilias, gnome and kde would require too much RAM. xfce might work (I don't know it's actual RAM requirement). Sarge will be discontinued soon, so Debian/Etch with xfce desktop seems a good choice.
05:55<padski>iirc, sarge support officially ended 31st March
05:55<latitude>franklin: no
05:56<latitude>everething else is fine, except access via shell
05:56<latitude>in fact sftp also works, i can do ls and fetch files
05:57<franklin>padski, I haven't any announcement yet, thus the "soon" ;)
05:57<bouc>I'm using the stock kernel 2.6.24-1-sparc64, the modules refering to ebtables are present
05:58<padski>franklin, http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229
05:58<bouc>but when I try a "ebtables -L"
05:58<padski>franklin, although the topic on the channel still says soon
05:58<bouc>I got the error "The kernel doesn't support the ebtables 'filter' table."é
05:58<latitude>ilias: debian will fit you fine
05:58<franklin>padski, I meant nothing like http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070110
05:58<bouc>I tried to manually load the modules, with success
05:59<latitude>as for wm, i'd bettre suggested something minimal, like openbox
05:59<bouc>but the error is still present
05:59<padski>franklin, no, sarge is not archived yet.
05:59<bouc>I test the same on a x86 station with 2.6.24 driver, and it's working
06:00<franklin>ilias, I'll anwser here to your private question. There is a special CD1, with xfce on it.
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06:00<bouc>any idea?
06:00<latitude>i used to work on Cel700 with 128 ram, and the most porblem is firefox or opera, that will eat all your precious ram
06:00<franklin>ilias, but if you have a regular CD1, you can instruct it to download the required file at install time.
06:00<padski>franklin, that was 6 months after security support ended.
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06:00<latitude>s/is/are/;s/porblem/problem/
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06:01<franklin>padski, Your right. it's that announcement I'm awaiting to update the wiki.d.o/DebianSarge page.
06:02<franklin>franklin, Yes, you should have some swap (it's always highly recommended).
06:03<franklin>padski, to install xfce with a regular CD, you should type....
06:03<padski>franklin, that page says "Security updates are still provided."
06:03<franklin>ilias, [my two last message where for you]
06:04<padski>franklin, dunno. I wuold install standard and then do the gui after I rebooted.
06:05<themill>franklin: DSAs for more than a month have been saying "we're not updating packages for <source package> any more for Sarge". Particularly mozilla ones.
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06:07<franklin>themill, do you remember where it was announced ?
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06:08<themill>franklin: announced what? (I only joined 10min ago so I missed your discussion)
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06:09<themill>What does the oomkiller say in syslog when it makes a mess of things? (I'm trying to track down why postfix or spamd are dying occasionally)
06:09<franklin>ilias, to install xfce from a regular [gnome] debian boot cd, type : install tasks="xfce-desktop, standard"
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06:13<franklin>themill, It's just that I said that sarge was "soon to be discontinued" (so one shouldn't install it anymore, even for low RAM system). I said "soon" because I saw no official announcement stating it was actually unsupported.
06:13<themill>franklin: http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229
06:14<themill>dpkg: ping
06:14<themill>bloody bot always goes walkies when you need it.
06:14<padski>deja vu
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06:15<ilias>franklin to install xfce should i type...what?
06:15<franklin>ilias, to install xfce from a regular [gnome] debian boot cd, type : install tasks="xfce-desktop, standard"
06:16<franklin>ilias, is it a laptop ?
06:17<jm_>latitude: mc doesn't use sftp
06:17<latitude>jm_: yeah, i know
06:17<latitude>jsut mentioned to state that something wrong with mc
06:18<jm_>you can strace it
06:18<jm_>there's no debugging in there
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06:18<kjetil_>Why does login reject invalid usernames without asking for password on local consoles ?
06:18<latitude>great hint
06:20<jm_>kjetil_: what does it say?
06:20<kjetil_>"Login incorrect"
06:20<ilias>yes franklin it;s an old notebook (toshiba 1730)
06:21<franklin>ilias, so you should add...
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06:22<gsimmons>kjetil_: See bug #443322 in the BTS.
06:23<latitude>not very inspiring...
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06:23<kjetil_>gsimmons: ok :)
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06:25<jm_>kjetil_: was just going to say login uses pam
06:26<malek>HEY
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06:31<franklin>ilias, so you should type : install tasks="xfce-desktop, standard, laptop"
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06:39<latitude>jm_: strace doesn't show anything worthy
06:40<latitude>I can post the trace somewhere if you wanna look
06:40<jm_>latitude: how did you run it?
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06:40<motorola>where is php4 exe file located on a debien etch system
06:41<motorola>looking for the dir where its located
06:41<latitude>jm_: strace -s 256 -omc.strace mc
06:41<jm_>latitude: you want -f too
06:41<franklin>motorola, is it for a web page, or a command line script ?
06:42<motorola>both
06:42<latitude>jm_: it kinda hung up
06:43<jm_>latitude: or is it just damn slow?
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06:43<latitude>jm_:it is :-P
06:43<franklin>motorola, for standalone script, you should install the package "php4-cli". the command is /usr/bin/php4
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06:43<latitude>no panels yet in 30 seconds
06:44<franklin>motorola, but you can simply invoke "php4" (it's in the PATH).
06:44<latitude>jm_: it waits for input
06:44<latitude>i can tell from the file
06:44<latitude>but still no panels
06:44<jm_>latitude: hmm let me try to strace it here
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06:45<franklin>motorola, regarding webpage, you shouldn't invoke the executable directly (use libapache2-mod-php4 or php4-cgi )
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06:47<jm_>latitude: same thing -- run mc, then attach to it with strace and then do the vfs thing
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06:49<latitude>jm_: our ssh box is down at the moment
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06:50<jm_>latitude: heh
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06:52<JustSoul>hello
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06:53<JustSoul>Why "if [ ! -a /filename ]" didn't work ? but "if ! [ -a /filename ]" work well?
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06:54<jm_>JustSoul: which shell are you using?
06:55<JustSoul>bash
06:55<jm_>it works fine in bash
06:55<JustSoul>=/
06:55<jm_>ahh wait -a
06:56<franklin>JustSoul, "man test" says "EXPRESSION1 -a EXPRESSION2" => "both EXPRESSION1 and EXPRESSION2 are true"
06:56<jm_>do you know what -a does?
06:56<jm_>-a is and
06:56<JustSoul>"http://tille.garrels.be/training/bash/ch07.html" -> "[ -a FILE ] True if FILE exists."
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06:57<latitude>jm_: now i think that posting it somewhere is a bad idea
06:57<jm_>that's -e
06:57<latitude>jm_: just all my keys are there ^)
06:57<jm_>latitude: it probably is yes (passwords etc.) -- best analyse it yourself
06:58<JustSoul>jm_: yea.. -e work well, thx
07:02<latitude>jm_: seems it passes wrong flags to ls on server
07:02<latitude>ls -lQLan
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07:03<latitude>jm_: no
07:03<latitude>that's not the root
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07:04<latitude>damn i'll try it anyway
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07:09<latitude>so now i'm stuck at how to tell mc which optons to pass
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07:09<latitude>god damn
07:09<latitude>it's just hardcoded
07:09<latitude>thanks jm_
07:09<jm_>it is?
07:10<latitude>i'll recompile the mc and see what the result will be
07:10<jm_>mine uses -lLa
07:10<jm_>and it is indeed hard-coded, how silly
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07:32<absolute512>hi, I'm installing fglrx and after the installation fglrxinfo says "xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server", "xlib: no protocol specified" and "error: unable to open display" can someone help?
07:33<Torsten_W>absolute512: not as root!
07:34<absolute512>?
07:35<jm_>!sux
07:35<jm_>use sux or sudo
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07:39<absolute512>'m using su - and it's all the same
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07:40<jm_>no-one said to use su
07:40<absolute512>I just hate ati drivers
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07:44<x03>hallo
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07:57<worker_>Hi. I'm want just icedove, not the whole desktop in german. I changed in the advanced config the general.useragent.locale to de-DE but after restarting icedove its still english. What do I miss? It seems so simple but is not working... And sure german packages are installed...
07:58<Torsten_W>start it with 'LANG=de_DE@utf8 icedove'
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08:00<latitude>jm_: what version of debian are you running
08:00<worker_>Torsten_W, Thanks, that works, but why? And why not the config inside icedove ?
08:01<manizzzzzzzzz>hiiii
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08:01*latitude wavesssss
08:01<Torsten_W>worker_: gtk-apps use the lang what configured in $LANG
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08:05<worker_>Torsten_W, thanksQ
08:05<Torsten_W>np
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08:07<jm_>latitude: Etch
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08:30<latitude>how do i retry to bugreport
08:31<latitude>it saved the br to the file
08:31<latitude>now i want to retry to send it
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08:34<padski>how can I tell what level of power is being supplied to a usb device ?
08:34<themill>padski: is it in lsusb -vv (or something like that?)
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08:34<themill>padski: or poke around in /sys ...
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08:36<padski>themill, this is what is puzzling me. lsusb -v says the device is self-powered, but the device says it is charging. I am certain the device is right. I have seen stuff about mA in syslog, but I don't see it now.
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08:39<themill>padski: istr that a usb self-powered device is still allowed to draw 100mA from the bus
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08:39<padski>themill, ah! this is what they call 'terminology' isn't it ? ;-)
08:40<themill>yeah.... that's the one
08:41<padski>still, this device would eat the 500mA if I could supply it. I saw something about telling it to do so ...
08:42<themill>padski: I gather the kernel (might) have some protection against such things. I remember seeing something about becoming more strict about that a couple of years ago on kerneltrap
08:44<themill>padski: perhaps of some use to you... http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb2.htm
08:44<padski>themill, yeah I was was reading something like that last night. there needs to be a driver for it to just work? very sad :-(
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08:45<themill>padski: not really... the *hci modules that drive the usb hubs are just trying to protect the hardware. You wouldn't want to toast your machine should a device try to draw too much power from the bus.
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08:53<motorola>i have setup a mysql 4 on etch machine.. and i can login with telnet localhost 3306 but from another machine on same net i get connection refused. Do i need to open something ?
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08:54<sep>motorola yes access by network is off by default
08:55<motorola>oh :) where do i enable it
08:55<sep>mysql config
08:55<motorola>is that a file?
08:56<sep>less /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian
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08:58<padski>themill, found this: http://lwn.net/Articles/186331/
08:59<themill>padski: ahh yes... it was lwn not kerneltrap I was reading it on now... (it was a while ago!)
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09:03<DonAlex>Afternoon all..
09:04<padski>themill: I think it is the unpowered hub thing that is tripping me up. the needing to recognise the specific device thing (if it is true) really IS sad. the protocol includes a way for a device to negotiate power and I'm sure the original intention was not that we would all bloat out endlessly with unused info about every usb device in existance. I have a motorola l6 which I can easily charge on linux, but the story on windows ... well
09:04<padski>, you can guess.
09:04<motorola>sep, thanks worked fine :)
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09:04<DonAlex>Afternoon all :)
09:04<themill>padski: sounds like a mess.... lucky you...
09:04<^A^kira>hello, can anybody help me with wi-fi configuration?
09:05<themill>^A^kira: assume yes and ask your real question
09:05<DonAlex>Anyone have any idea how I can set up ssh tunnel forwarding on Debian using 3 machines without the user having shell access?
09:05<^A^kira>i'm sitting near a router and my signal is very weak....
09:05<DonAlex>^A^kira: What seems to be the problem?
09:05<^A^kira>and i'm laso loosing my network every 5 minutes
09:05<^A^kira>i think something in configuratin
09:05<^A^kira>^configuration
09:05<^A^kira>but i dunno what
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09:06<DonAlex>^A^kira: Hmmm.. have you done a site survey? Perhaps someone else is swamping your wifi channel?
09:06<DonAlex>^A^kira: This is where kismet proves very useful :)
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09:07<DonAlex>So any takers on my ssh forwarding problem?
09:07<^A^kira>DonAlex: what does it mean? i'm only two weeks in linux
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09:08<hudu>help a noob? Is there an 'aptitude install' for reading PDF's ... I have done the contrib and non-free in my sources.list
09:08<DonAlex>^A^kira: Welcome then :) OK.. wireless networking is based on Radio waves that are grouped at certain frequencies.. These are called Channel. A site survey is when you scan your local area and see how many other wifi networks there are..
09:08<DonAlex>^A^kira: Depending on how many and what channel they live on they can interfere with your own.
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09:09<jm_>hudu: yes
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09:09<morgan`>hudu, evince ? kpdf ? xpdf ?
09:09<DonAlex>hudu: try apt-get install evince
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09:09<themill>hudu: "aptitude install kpdf"
09:09<DonAlex>haha..
09:09<^A^kira>DonAlex: Oh, only 1 nettwork that i catch
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09:09<DonAlex>we all have a different taste I see..
09:09<^A^kira>mine :)
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09:10<DonAlex>^A^kira: Yes there maybe only one that you are associated with but you should check to see if there are others too. What wifi card do you have?
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09:11<^A^kira>RaLink2500pci
09:11<^A^kira>no other networks in range
09:11<DonAlex>^A^kira: ok one mo
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09:11<^A^kira>more exactly - no other networks my notebook catches
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09:13<DonAlex>^A^kira: Have a look here please . http://cbbk.free.fr/bonrom/
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09:13<DonAlex>^A^kira: It is a gui for configuring your type of card.
09:14<^A^kira>heh... i looked for it 3 days and didn't find :)
09:14<^A^kira>tnx :)
09:14<DonAlex>^A^kira: if you have not got it installed already try running "apt-get install rutilt"
09:15<DonAlex>^A^kira: assuming you are using Debian of course..
09:15<DonAlex>^A^kira: Ubuntu is sudo apt-get obviously
09:15<^A^kira>lenny
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09:16<xtz>Hi there, is there a way to force sendmail to send mails to an mx record for a domain when this domain is in the hosts file pointing on his own ip ?
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09:17<themill>xtz: it should always use the MX entry.
09:17<DonAlex>^A^kira: Did you have it installed?
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09:18<^A^kira>DonAlex: yeah, did a sitesurvey, it shows me 2 networks, both channel 0
09:18<DonAlex>^A^kira: Ahhh.. and your network is also 0?
09:18<^A^kira>yeah... but in my router config it's channel 6
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09:19<DonAlex>^A^kira: I see.. ok..
09:19<bouc>Hi all, I need help on ebtables kernel support on sparc, debian sid, kernel 2.6.24 stock, in config the support is enable but when I try to use "ebtables -L" I have an error "The kernel doesn't support the ebtables 'filter' table.". On x86 it works but not on my sparc64, can anyone help me plz?
09:19<DonAlex>^A^kira: well have you tweaked any settings on your router or card?
09:19<DonAlex>^A^kira: by that I mean cranking up the Transmit power and things
09:20<^A^kira>yeah i've tried to change some settings buy (well that was my mistake) i don't know what i've done :)
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09:20<hypnotic>hi there, I have a gui question for kaffeine and amarok (and probably some more apps). resizing columns seems counterintuitive. how can I change settings to achiveve the following: when I make a column smaller all columns to the right should stay the same size and only change position (not size) and one more thing, often I want to resize a column and it is very easy to accidently click the column name so tlsit are then resorted alphabetically in that
09:20<hypnotic>column, so you lose your personal arrangement
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09:21<^A^kira>btw... is there no kaffein in reps? O.o
09:21<Guest1121>hypnotic: I guess you would be better off asking that in #kde at irc.freenode.org
09:21<Guest1121>woa Im a guest
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09:22<hypnotic>ok ill try
09:22<hypnotic>thanx
09:22<xtz>themill: the problem is, i have a webserver at somehost.ch, and for this domain, the mx records points to mx4.provider.ch .. When the server (thru php i.e) sends mails to any host, no problem. but when sending an email to something_at_somehost.ch, it fails. Root accounts gets the email back
09:22<DonAlex>^A^kira: Well I suggest at least for the router make it the default settings..
09:22<xtz>any issue ?
09:22<xtz>i'm googling an issue for hours
09:22<DonAlex>^A^kira: Because too much signal will kill a connection as surely as not enough
09:23<^A^kira>DonAlex: well router at default settings i've changed the wifi card settings
09:23<hypnotic>guest1121: kde room is empty, is there another irc for kde?
09:24<cusco>hypnotic: I meant at freenode - irc.freenode.org
09:24<azeem>hypnotic: try on freenode
09:24<xtz>forcing sendmail to redirect all mails for somehost.ch to the mx by using the mailerxx(don't remember the exact name) FEATURE
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09:24<neekofab>xtz is the local mta (exim I assume, since we are in #debian an it is default) set to receive mail for somehost.ch?
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09:24<hypnotic>guest1121: o ofcourse, still not really familiar with irq, ill check
09:24<DonAlex>^A^kira: I see..
09:24<xtz>absolutely not
09:25<DonAlex>^A^kira: Well does rtutil help you set it up?
09:25<xtz>in the dns configuration, i ahave something like :
09:25<xtz>somehost.ch A servers.ip.address
09:25<cusco>hypnotic: choose a option in your IRC client to connect to a new server - that server being irc.freenode.org
09:25<xtz>somehost.ch MX 10 mx4.provider.ch
09:26<xtz>and, the MX does never recieves anything from the server as the servers doesn't sends this emails out.. He tries to handle them him self
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09:26<cusco>that means the machine mx4.provider.ch handles the email for you
09:26<xtz>exact
09:26<themill>xtz: that means that sendmail thinks that it's the final destination for that mail.
09:26<cusco>xtz: is there a email server to relay on that mx4.provider.ch?
09:26<neekofab>xtz if your mta is configured to receive email for somehost.ch it would never check dns for host records for that domain. it would deliever to localhost
09:27<xtz>themill: yes. but i need to remove this.
09:27<xtz>how can I set up sendmail to avoid handling of these emails ?
09:27<^A^kira>DonAlex: i think yes....
09:27<themill>xtz: so the sendmail that is misbehaving is only really supposed to pass on the emails to the provider's mta, yes?
09:28<xtz>exact
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09:28<hypnotic>thanx found it
09:28<xtz>i tried to set up a redirection of all emails for somehost.ch to the mx, but it absolutely not worked
09:28<DonAlex>^A^kira: :)
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09:29<themill>xtz: so you really just want a smarthost for that. Debian has a number of mtas that can play smarthost. I stopped flaggelating myself with sendmail years ago so I can't tell you exactly how to do it.
09:29<DonAlex>^A^kira: Well good luck then :)
09:29<akira_>damn
09:29<neekofab>xtz easiest mta w/ smarthost IMO is exim. :)
09:29<xtz>exim ?
09:29<themill>especially since debconf will set it up for you
09:30<xtz>hm, sounds good :)
09:30<xtz>so, what have i to do ? juste remove sendmail and install exim ?
09:30<neekofab>xtz apt-get install exim4-daemon-light
09:30<themill>xtz: in principle... but ripping out your mta isn't something to do lightly.
09:31<akira_>DonAlex: well i think i succeed.... but i have to go to my room now to check it out :)
09:31<themill>xtz: Is passing on the email to your provider the only thing that you want it to do? Do you want spam scanning and address rewriting stuff too?
09:31<akira_>^A^kira: die :)
09:32<DonAlex>^A^kira: Sure.. have.. fun :)
09:32<xtz>themill: the only thing I want is to be able to send out emails from apache(w php) to the same domain name
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09:33<xtz>so, if the emails are for any other host, it works perfectly
09:33<themill>xtz: that sounds quite within exim's capabilities so you should be fine with that.
09:33<xtz>just emails for somehost.ch are failing
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09:40<bouc>Hi all, I need help on ebtables kernel support on sparc, debian sid, kernel 2.6.24 stock, in config the support is enable but when I try to use "ebtables -L" I have an error "The kernel doesn't support the ebtables 'filter' table.". On x86 it works but not on my sparc64, can anyone help me plz?
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09:44<padski>bouc, what CONFIG_ option(s) is that ?
09:45<^A^kira>i'm trying to compile dolphin file manager and ./configure give me this error http://paste.org.ru/?oka9ko
09:45<^A^kira>--kde-prefix=DIR doesn't work dunno why
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09:46<xtz>themill: how do I set up this exim4 ?
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09:49<padski>I miss dpkg :-(
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09:50<^A^kira>DonAlex: THANKS MAN! everything working just fine now :)
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09:51<bouc>padski : CONFIG_BRIDGE_NF_EBTABLES and CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_*
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09:52<bouc>padski : the modules are present and loaded, but still get the error
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09:53<padski>bouc, ok. it was the module loading question I was wondering about.
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09:54<padski>can I do sparc64 in qemu ?
09:54<bouc>padski: good question ;)
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09:56<padski>it certainly looks like it :-)
09:56<ellobo>hi...
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09:57<ellobo>i bought a M$ mouse and it's very sensible, and not very easy to use, seems like it has too much resolution... and the movement is not very smooth, what can I change to make it work like a normal mouse?
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09:59<neekofab>ytz exim4 installed already? "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" follow prompts
10:00<xtz>neekofab: installed, reading docs :)
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10:01<xtz>configuration types... just a question...
10:01<neekofab>xtz just do the reconfigure thing and you can pretty much guess the correct answer for everything (no-local delievery, smarthost, etc)
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10:01<xtz>for a webserver that has to deliver mails... better "direct deliverly by stmp" ?
10:01<padski>bouc, did you see the question "This stuff isn't working on my 64-bit machine with a 32-bit userspace (like the Sparc64)" on the ebtables faq ?
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10:02<neekofab>xtz "mail sent by smarthost; no local mail"
10:02<padski>(looks like sparc64 qemu is listed as "dev only", but the qemu-sparc binary is there)
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10:11<xtz>neekofab: i'm not sure of the configuration..
10:13<xtz>the emails for addresses at somehost.ch are correctly delivered
10:13<xtz>but not the others :(
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10:13<xtz>i got this kind of errors : Relay access denied
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10:14<xtz>(thats normal as the smtp does not want to relay any email thats not in his configuration)
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10:24<bouc>padski: I haven't found something like this in the faq...
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10:26<bouc>padski: from qemu : Use the executable `qemu-system-sparc64' to simulate a Sun4u machine. The emulator is not usable for anything yet.
10:27<padski>bouc, http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/ebtables-faq.html
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10:31<bouc>padski: ok, thanks, gonna contact them ;)
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10:34<padski>bouc, good luck. there is also a debian-sparc mailing list.
10:36<bouc>thanks for all padski
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10:51<themill>ravenbird: wb
10:51<ravenbird>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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10:51<themill>simonrvn: thanks
10:51<simonrvn>:)
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10:53<themill>simonrvn: I've not looked at the sql for the bots' db, but I believe it has a "last modified" timestamp, doesn't it?
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11:00<simonrvn>themill: there are timestamps of a sort yes
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11:01<themill>simonrvn: I'll have a think about it some more later... that might provide a way of updating more easily (/me => to meeting, now)
11:01<simonrvn>that's a thought
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11:10<Daniel_DK>Hi guys! is this the right place to ask for help compiling third party modules?
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11:12<padski>Daniel_DK, does the third-party not want to know ?
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11:13<Daniel_DK>padski, well i'm trying to compile the adaptec adp94xx module, and no adaptec only supports redhat and suse :(
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11:18<padski>Daniel_DK, http://www.mail-archive.com/grml@mur.at/msg01263.html
11:18<padski>Daniel_DK, the aic94xx driver is no good to you ?
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11:20<Daniel_DK>padski, no i'm afraid not, it only supports sas drives...
11:21<padski>looks like it supports sata to me. what drives are you using ?
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11:22<Daniel_DK>yeah, but i need to stay at 2.6.19-7 or less
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11:22<Daniel_DK>wich uses aic94xx ver. 1.02
11:23<padski>Daniel_DK, you're not the "standing on one foot, reciting hamlet backwards while drinking a glass of water"-guy are you ?
11:23<Daniel_DK>padski, i try not to be :)
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11:24<padski>go on then I'll bite: why ?
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11:27<Daniel_DK>okay - i'm trying to get our TSM server up and running with 16* 750 gb drives and an IBM 3573 autoloader, i need the ADP94xx or the (new)aic94xx driver along with the lin_tape driver from IBM
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11:28<Daniel_DK>i have allready verified that 2.6.24 will recognize my controller and the drives correctly however i cannot compile lin_tape on anything newer than 2.6.19-7
11:30<padski>Daniel_DK, considered porting the lin_tape driver forwards instead of porting the aic94xx driver back ? asked ibm about that ?
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11:33<Daniel_DK>Padski, yeah i've thought of that - i have however, not tried contacting IBM..
11:33<padski>Daniel_DK, ok. the ibm docs explicitly state RHEL, SLES and (perhaps) Asianux supported. nevertheless, I wouldha thought it'd be worth asking.
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11:35<padski>Daniel_DK, is there a particular reason not to prefer a supported configuration ?
11:35<Daniel_DK>padski, i've even looked at kern2deb to see if i could create a debianised rhel kernel :p
11:35<chandu_>Hi
11:36<chandu_>I am runnig the following command
11:36<chandu_>#dd bs=2M if=/dev/zero count=1024 | curl -v --connect-timeout 5 --upload-file - http://10.210.42.149:3462/upload/junk.dat
11:36<chandu_>To upload a test file dumped of size 2G to my Server from my target machine
11:36<padski>Daniel_DK, I would have thought you could run with a RHEL kernel fairly easily. maintenance might need some thought.
11:36<Daniel_DK>Yeah - i'm a relegius debian kinda guy - i woul really hate to go redhat - but if it is what it takes - iwill
11:36<chandu_>But the uploading is stopping in between after some 400 MB ..why is that so
11:37<mikegrb>chandu_: I would look at timeouts/upload limits on the server side
11:37<chandu_>mikegrb, If I use only "curl" to upload same 2G without doing "dd" ..its working ..its uploading successfully
11:37<padski>Daniel_DK, a google for "lin_tape 2.6.24" turns up a couple of hits.
11:38<chandu_>mikegrb, Only when I use "dd" its failing
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11:38<chandu_>mikegrb, How do I check the timout limit on the server side
11:38<padski>Daniel_DK, the expectation seems to be that it is on course to merge into the mainstream kernel.
11:39<Daniel_DK>that would be extremely nice
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11:40<mikegrb>well if it works without dd, that's probably not the problem ;)
11:40<padski>Daniel_DK, it suggests that there might already be someone doing that work upstream and hence a version you could build against a later kernel.
11:40<chandu_>mikegrb, then what could be the problem
11:40<Lynx>I have a problem with my LVM. I don't know why, but the UUIDs from the LVM Volumes had changed, and now my system boots into the busybox.
11:40<chandu_>mikegrb, I even checked for HDD errors ..there are no HDD errors
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11:42<mikegrb>-m/--max-time may be useful, does the dd method take more time then with a file?
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11:43<Daniel_DK>padski, i can actually compile both lin_tape and adp94xx on 2.6.13 - but the special devicefiles /dev/IBMchanger0 and /dev/IBMtape0 is not created..
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11:44<padski>Daniel_DK, would that be udev that should create them ?
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11:44<Daniel_DK>padski, yes , but udev is 2.6.15 and up
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11:46<padski>Daniel_DK, I misread that as .23
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11:48<chandu_>mikegrb, yep ..little more time
11:49<mikegrb>ok, then -m may be useful
11:49<Daniel_DK>padski, :)- i've played around with mknod, trying to create the correct files, no luck so far tho'
11:49<mikegrb>specifies the maximum amount of time the operation can take
11:50<mikegrb>I don't know what the default is or even if there is a limit if it isn't unspecified
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11:50<mikegrb>there aren't any sort of error messages in the failed ones?
11:50<chandu_>mikegrb, -m with dd command
11:50<chandu_>mikegrb, No error messages
11:51<chandu_>mikegrb, Is it possbile to know ..whether server is closing the connection or client is closing the connection
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11:56<mikegrb>maybe
11:56<mikegrb>curl has a trace option that will log everything either one says to a file
11:56<mikegrb>or you could use tcpdump/wireshark
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11:59<Zathras>hi, I want to install the kernel headers for the Etchnhalf 2.6.24 kernel but that package depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.24 which is not available. What is the best solution? ftp a lenny package?
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12:02<^A^kira>is there no kaffein for lenny? O.o
12:03<cahoot>kaffeine ?
12:03<hever>How can I change the password of a ssh private key ?
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12:03<^A^kira>yeah.... the video player for KDE
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12:04<padski>Zathras, there is a linux-kbuild-2.6.24 in the pool. It seems like a bug that a package in e-p-u is not installable because of a missing dependency. ftp and dpkg sounds reasonable.
12:04<cahoot>aptitude search kaffeine -> i kaffeine - versatile media player for KDE - at least here on lenny
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12:06<^A^kira>cahoot: hmmm i didn't find it... and still i can't
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12:07<^A^kira>Refakki: whuzzap? :)
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12:10<Lynx>Some LVM specialist here?
12:10<padski>!anyone
12:11<padski>!ops I miss dpkg
12:11<padski>Lynx, ask your question
12:12<Lynx>Yeah, already did. Maybe a bit special. The UUIDs of my LVMs changed suddently and now I can't boot. I mean I can, but it boots into busybox.
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12:12<Lynx>Now I don't know how to fix it.
12:12<padski>Lynx, rescue disk ?
12:13<Lynx>Mh, I have no available IDE port for a DC drive, but sure, would be possible...
12:13<Lynx>I thought it is possible to fix it in the busybox... :S
12:14<padski>Lynx, maybe, people recover from worse.
12:15<franklin>Lynx, Do you have your devices in /dev/mapper/ ?
12:15<Lynx>nope
12:15<Lynx>thats the point :)
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12:17<padski>Lynx, out of morbid curiousity, tell me more about "The UUIDs of my LVMs changed suddently"
12:17<^A^kira>i've compiled a program... now i wanna delete it, how i can do it?
12:17<padski>^A^kira, man rm
12:17<^A^kira>padski: no faster way than rm all the dirs that it made?
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12:17<azeem>^A^kira: run make uninstall from the source tree, if available
12:18<azeem>^A^kira: consider using something like stow for locally compiled programs
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12:18<azeem>(or making a deb)
12:18<Lynx>padski: Turning power on --> booting --> device-mapper says, he can't find the volumes with UUID "..." so the LVG raid-main_array couldn't be found
12:18<franklin>Lynx, I'm not sure it's just UUID problem. because you would still have some stuffs in /dev/mapper. the kernel can't mount what it can't see..
12:18<Zathras>justy spoke to the maintainer. he hopes to upload today the package for debiannhalf
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12:18<Zathras>ty padski
12:19<padski>^A^kira, I could tell you a faster, but I'd probably be kicked off :-)
12:19<^A^kira>azeem > tnx :)
12:19<^A^kira>make uninstall did it
12:19<Lynx>franklin: Sure. But my main problem is: I don't know where to change this stuff...
12:20<padski>Lynx, that doesn't sound much like "The UUIDs of my LVMs changed suddenly" to me :-)
12:20<franklin>Lynx, Di you try to boot with your /boot/initrd.img.*.bak ?
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12:21<Lynx>franklin: I don't know how to use it, if it exists
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12:22<franklin>Lynx, from grub, edit the profile, and simply add ".bak" at the end of the initrd file.
12:22<Lynx>padski: Well, the device-mapper can't find there LVMs...and I changed nothing, I haven't been 2 weeks at home, I came back, made a reboot and now you see the effect :)
12:22<franklin>Lynx, oups... from grub, edit the profile, PRESS "e", and simply add ".bak" at the end of the initrd file.
12:22<Lynx>franklin: I have got lilo
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12:22<Lynx>but I'll check how to do this on lilo
12:23<padski>Lynx, so you have your root filesystem outside LVM, yes ?
12:23<Lynx>no :)
12:24<Lynx>that makes the situation much more difficult
12:24<franklin>Lynx, keeping /boot outside LVM helps...
12:24<padski>Lynx, a rescue system on a usb flash stick might be easier going ?
12:24<Lynx>I got Knoppix here
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12:24<Lynx>but
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12:25<Lynx>I got 4 Harddisks, so my IDE channels are full equipt...if I want to boot from CD to knoppix, I have to turn off 2 harddisks, and the LVM goes over the 4 harddisks
12:25<Lynx>I think this can be a problem
12:26<Lynx>first I'll try to boot from the *.bak
12:26<padski>Lynx, yeah sounds good
12:26<franklin>Lynx, AFAIK, you can't..
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12:26<fxiny>why 2 ?
12:27<Lynx>1 IDE Channel = 2 Harddisks
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12:27<Lynx>franklin: because /boot is on the LVM too ?
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12:28<fxiny>1 for HD and 1 for CD
12:28<franklin>Lynx, because lilo doesn't understand the FS. when Lilo install a kernel, it create a mapping of file-to-sectors.
12:28<franklin>Lynx, the same for initrd file.
12:28<padski>fxiny, PATA. you can run 2 disks on a chain if you really want to.
12:29<fxiny>yes ?
12:29<Lynx>ah and I forgot to tell, it's on a RAID1
12:29<Lynx>and I really dont want to scramble it
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12:29<Lynx>but mh, it shouldn't be a problem I think
12:29<franklin>Lynx, having a /boot partition allows to install /grub in there (and grub understands ext2).
12:29<Lynx>good point :)
12:30<Lynx>I see, my configuration sucks pretty much :>
12:30<fxiny>padski: i used to run 3 HD + CD then one doid not like it and died young , not doing it anymore :P
12:30<fxiny>s/doid/did
12:30<franklin>Lynx, No, it's fine too. different problems ;)
12:31<Lynx>well then I turn 1 HDD off, and mount a CD drive, and boot knoppix
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12:31<fxiny>anywya , i have a second hand mouse to sell : i'm running wmii :))
12:32<padski>fxiny, it is best avoided for all kinds of reasons, but it can be done ok. years ago HDDs from different vendors on the same chain used to be smoething of a gamble :-)
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12:32<fxiny>padski: ii know is dangerous in fact that 80G matrox died in 2 years and a half
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12:33<padski>fxiny, maxtor ?
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12:33<cahoot>fxiny: sounds like you've been lucky
12:33<padski>fxiny, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_hard_disk_manufacturers
12:34<fxiny>yes , yes , i'm learning wmii
12:34<padski>fxiny, looks cool :-)
12:34<franklin>Lynx, do you have and external USB hard disk ? (you could try remove the disk, connect the CDROM and boot from the usb-CDROM... it might work... or not ;)
12:34<kneet_>debian etch netinst - installing to a non DMA supporting CF card (on a CF-IDE card that does support DMA). Can't seem to get expert nodma or expert ide=nodma to do anything - just get dma timeouts - any hints welcome
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12:34<fxiny>cahoot: lucky ? 2 and a half ?
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12:34<fxiny>padski: cool ? is a dream :)
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12:35<cahoot>fxiny: personally have had three maxtors die withinf 1-3 months
12:35<fxiny>padski: now fluxbox looks to me like windows ;)
12:36<fxiny>cahoot: bloody hell ! 3 months ?
12:36<Lynx>franklin: no
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12:36<cahoot>fxiny: yes - it was a sorry batch
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12:36<Lynx>well, I am booting Knoppix now
12:36<sarbies>hi do you speak polish ?i have some troble with debian ;)
12:36<fxiny>cahoot: did you get refound ?
12:37<mikegrb>!pl
12:37<cahoot>fxiny: yes - with maxtors ;)
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12:37<fxiny>cahoot: :)
12:37<franklin>Lynx, it leaves booting USB key (Debian Live), Netbooting Debian installer or breaking your raid.
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12:38<mikegrb>dpkg is dead :<
12:38-!-Irssi: #debian: Total of 348 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 346 normal]
12:38<Lynx>uhm
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12:38<Lynx>why should it break my raid? :D
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12:39<padski>cahoot, 3 months! your were lucky to get three months! we used to have to cut an extra keyhole in our single-sided 5.25 disk and turn them over!
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12:39<franklin>Lynx, I meant temporary remove a disk.
12:39<mikegrb>sarbies: #debian-pl I think
12:39<themill>mikegrb: yes. Use @ to get ravenbird instead. It's factoid db is mostly the same or at least similar.
12:39<themill>@pl
12:39<ravenbird>hmm... pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss"
12:39<sarbies>thx
12:39<themill>fail
12:39<Lynx>franklin: It is just 1 disk from 2. It should work (I hope)
12:39<mikegrb>themill: ok, thanks anyway ;)
12:39<themill>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
12:40<sarbies>thx
12:40<fxiny>similar ? that bloody bird forgot to mention perl !
12:40<franklin>Lynx, you wanted to test your RAID-1... today is the day ;)
12:40<Lynx>;)
12:40<fxiny>pl is perl and maybe poland . not sure ...
12:41<Lynx>First I need a bloody jumper
12:41<franklin>fxiny, yes.
12:42<franklin>Lynx, actually, if you have another computer around, you can boot it with knoppix, then start the terminal server...
12:42<franklin>Lynx, then Netboot your RAID system from the knoppix-terminal-server
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12:43<franklin>Lynx, all you need is a PXE capable NIC in your raid-enabled-system (like Intel and broadcom ones)
12:44<padski>or a punch-card reader
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12:45<franklin>it would just take long to boot with the punch-card reade.
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12:46<padski>that depends. has it warmed up yet ?
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12:48<Lynx>franklin: thx, I know that. but I only got an onboard NIC
12:49<Lynx>well, got my jumper...taking off
12:52<fxiny>wmii "launcher" is a millions times better then any launcher around
12:52<Lynx>well, how can I mount my RAID1 ?
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12:54<franklin>Lynx, is it software raid ?
12:54<Lynx>yepp
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12:55<franklin>Lynx, iirc, you have to install mdadm, then
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12:56<Lynx>franklin: oh I found a litte tutorial
12:56<Lynx>http://www.howtoforge.com/recover_data_from_raid_lvm_partitions
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12:56<Lynx>I will follow this one
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12:58<franklin>Lynx, yepp ( I discarded my soft raid a while ago... )
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13:02<Lynx>ok, now I have to recover my LVM volumes
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13:02<franklin>Lynx, aren't they here ?
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13:03<Lynx>uhm, I think first I have to init LVM
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13:04<kurumin>boa tarde
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13:06<themill>& br
13:07<themill>@ br
13:07<ravenbird>rumour has it, br is Brazil
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13:07<themill>bloody bots
13:07<themill>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:07<Lynx>franklin: Well, when I init lvm, it tells me, he can't find the device with the uuid "..." and it follows, that he cant find the physical volume group "raid_main_array"
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13:09<franklin>what did pvscan fount ?
13:10<Lynx>2 physical volumes. the first is /dev/md1 and the 2nd is a unknown device
13:10<Lynx>and he tells me again, that he can't find the device with uuid "..."
13:11<valdyn>Lynx: who is "he" ?
13:11<Lynx>pvscan
13:11<valdyn>Lynx: which device cant it find?
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13:12<Lynx>I guess /dev/md0
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13:12<valdyn>Lynx: guessing is bad, dont you know what your 2nd physical volume is?
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13:12<valdyn>Lynx: does /dev/md0 exist? is it listed in /proc/mdstat ?
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13:14<franklin>Lynx, Do you remember how you raid and LVM were setup ? Did you have a single RAID ?
13:14<Lynx>uhm wait a sec. I messed up the partitions in the mdadm.conf
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13:18<Lynx>okay, pvscan works now perfectly
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13:18<Lynx>it shows me /dev/md1 and /dev/md2, correct size etc.
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13:19<Lynx>init of lvm was successful
13:19<franklin>Lynx, cool.
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13:20<Lynx>so what can I do now next?
13:20<valdyn>Lynx: what do you want to achieve?
13:20<valdyn>Lynx: raid and lvm are setup autmagically on reboot if your config files are correct now
13:20<Lynx>I am in Knoppix now
13:21<valdyn>Lynx: so?
13:21<Lynx>during boot the device-mapper told me, he can't find the volume with the UUID "..." which are the LVMs
13:21<Lynx>and I try to find out what the problem is
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13:21<valdyn>Lynx: you already fixed your mdadm.conf, no?
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13:22<Lynx>so I guess first I have to mount my LVMs to fix?
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13:22<valdyn>Lynx: you have to fix the mdadm.conf
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13:22<valdyn>Lynx: and probably reinstall the debian kernel
13:23<valdyn>Lynx: ( if / is on lvm )
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13:23<Lynx>yes, it is on the LVM
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13:28<Lynx>but it is about the id from the LVM, not of the RAID
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13:28<Lynx>it looks like this (example) "uMJ8uM-sfTJ-La9j-oIuy-W3NX-ObiT-n464Rv"
13:29<Lynx>the mdadm.conf is correct
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13:32<Lynx>well, for the LVM, I got 2 physical volumes. /dev/md1 and /dev/md2
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13:32<Lynx>this physical volumes have got id's
13:32<franklin>Lynx, check the mtime of /boot/initrd* I would be surprise it had been changed (and doesn't containts lvm or raid data anymore).
13:33<Lynx>and he obviously, it is the id of the 2nd physical volume which seems to be incorrect
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13:34<Lynx>franklin: How?
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13:36<franklin>Lynx, mount the root device then "ls -al /mountpoint/boot/initrd*"
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13:37<Lynx>ah sure. ahm it is 25.jan
13:37<franklin>Lynx, you remember when you las reboot ...?
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13:37<franklin>s/las/last/
13:37<Lynx>1 week ago
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13:38<Lynx>and the problem appeared after the reboot
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13:40<franklin>Lynx, you might want to compare /etc/mdadm.conf and /mountpoint/etc/mdadm.conf ... then
13:41<Lynx>it is correct
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13:41<franklin>Lynx, then th LVM ... (but where ?)
13:41<mrpouet>hi
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13:42<Lynx>there is a config file in /etc/lvm/backup/raid_main_array file
13:42<Lynx>there is the information
13:42<Lynx>but
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13:43<Lynx>during boot, he says the id "..." is not correct, now in this file, it seems to be a physical volume which I added some time ago
13:43<franklin>Lynx, and /etc/lvm/archive/
13:44<franklin>Lynx, I think the LV configuration is stored in the PV & VG.
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13:45<Lynx>but there must be a possibility to recover...
13:45<franklin>Lynx, but the whole thing is backed up...
13:45<Lynx>and the backup is for what?
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13:47<franklin>Lynx, If your ${mountpoint}/etc/lvm/archive files are ok (consistent with current etc/lvm/archive), you could try reinstalling lilo and reboot.
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13:47<Lynx>hm, I don't think the problem is in lilo. I think the problem is in LVM, and if there is any error, he stops completly...which is my case
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13:48<Lynx>and no LVM, no /boot
13:48<franklin>if the content of /etc/{lvm,mdamd.conf} are ok, reinstalling lilo should be fine.
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13:49<KrYsTaLLyN>cheers all..
13:50<KrYsTaLLyN>i have a problem... on a pc with amd athlon dual core 5000+ and 4 gb ram
13:50<franklin>If you can currently access all your volumes, and /etc/{lvm,mdamd.conf} match /${mount point}/etc/{lvm,mdamd.conf}, so does lilo after you reinstall it, no?
13:50<KrYsTaLLyN>the default kernel doesnt support 4 gb ram
13:50<KrYsTaLLyN>an there is no driver nvidia... my video board is nvidia gefr
13:51<Lynx>franklin: yepp
13:51<KrYsTaLLyN>geforce 8300 gs
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13:51<KrYsTaLLyN>could anyone help? how can i install an adecvate kernell and how can i install nvidia driver?
13:52<KrYsTaLLyN>the driver from the nvidia site doesnt work
13:52<franklin>KrYsTaLLyN, you need a "686-bigmem" kernel.
13:52<KrYsTaLLyN>right franklin..so how can i install that one?
13:52<KrYsTaLLyN>via apt-get?
13:53<franklin>KrYsTaLLyN, yep.
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13:53<KrYsTaLLyN>and the command is..??
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13:54<franklin>KrYsTaLLyN, use aptitude then search "686-bigmem"
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13:54<KrYsTaLLyN>ok..but the distro..starts in verbose mode
13:54<latitude>had anybody ever dealt with random generators and low entropy?
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13:54<KrYsTaLLyN>so i use the shell only..
13:54<latitude>just can't even imagine where to ask, so don't blame for non-debian question
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13:55<Lynx>franklin: what is the default runlevel ?
13:55<franklin>Lynx, 2
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13:56<franklin>KrYsTaLLyN, aptitude would work.
13:56<KrYsTaLLyN>ok..what about the nvidia driver?
13:56<KrYsTaLLyN>how can i install taht one>?
13:57<KrYsTaLLyN>that*
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13:58<KrYsTaLLyN>i have the shell script from nvidia site,but after i run the scrip i ge something like install kernel-source or kernel-devel
13:58<franklin>KrYsTaLLyN, I can't help for nvidia.
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13:58<KrYsTaLLyN>ok..i will try somewhere else...thanks alot franklin
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13:58<Lynx>franklin: how do I use "init" ?
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13:58<franklin>Lynx, use ?
13:59<Lynx>what is the syntax?
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13:59<Lynx>for runlevel 2?
13:59<franklin>Lynx, your stucked in busybox again ?
13:59<KrYsTaLLyN>telinit 2 as root
13:59<Lynx>yeah
13:59<KrYsTaLLyN>should work
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14:00<Lynx>but I think he loads an old "mdadm.conf", and there is no /dev/md2 which seems to be the whole problem
14:00<franklin>yepp (i Lynx is in single user mode).
14:00<franklin>s/he/it/
14:00<Lynx>telinit is not available
14:00<Lynx>just "init"
14:00<KrYsTaLLyN>try init\:)
14:00<Lynx>then he loads the shell and I can do anything
14:00<franklin>init 2 should work too
14:00<Lynx>init 2? ok
14:01<KrYsTaLLyN>chers all... have a nice chat!
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14:02<Lynx>init: /dev/initctl: No such file or directory
14:02<Lynx>hmmm
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14:02<franklin>yes "init 2" would instruct init to switch to runlevel 2.
14:02<franklin>but not from busybox's rescue mode.
14:03<Lynx>yeah, that messes all up
14:04<Lynx>but it seems, that mdadm.conf is not correct...although I checked it x times
14:04<franklin>Lynx, I think we forgot to reinstall the kernel before rebooting, earlier on.
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14:04<franklin>Lynx, I assume you need to have a copy of mdadm.conf in the initrd.imd
14:04<franklin>*fresh copy
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14:05<Lynx>is there a way to edit files in the busybox?
14:06<Lynx>ah
14:06<Lynx>there is vi
14:06<Lynx>n1
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14:06<franklin>do you have a /etc/mdadm.conf ?
14:07<Lynx>/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
14:07<Lynx>yes
14:07<franklin>Lynx, is it correct ?
14:07<Lynx>and there is /dev/md2 missing, which cause the problems...
14:07<Lynx>but I added it in Knoppix, so I am a little bit confused
14:08<franklin>Lynx, you probably don't have mdadm ?
14:08<Lynx>I have, the array /dev/md1 is available
14:08<franklin>Lynx, we didn't run "update-initramfs", so the mdadm.conf in it is obsolete.
14:09<Lynx>uh, that is true
14:09<franklin>Lynx, you probably don't have mdadm *tool*?
14:09<Lynx>I have
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14:10<Lynx>should I go back to Knoppix, and update my initramfs then ?
14:10<franklin>"mdadm --assemble --scan" ?
14:10<cortana>is there an easy way to enlarge an encrypted partition?
14:10<cortana>i'm setting up /home to be 100 GB but would like the option of increasing that in the future (using dm-crypt on top of an LVM logical volume)
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14:13<guillaume>what's needed in order to update an initramfs from chroot under sid ?
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14:13<Lynx>franklin: That is what I did.
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14:14<guillaume>my live cd hasn't got the same kernel version that sid hdd install
14:14<Lynx>the /dev/md2 was written into the mdadm.conf, then I executed: "./init 2"
14:14<Lynx>then: "init: /dev/initctl: No such file or directory"
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14:15<fxiny>cortana: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/536
14:15<franklin>Lynx, you have to "continue booting" but I can't rememeber how..
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14:15<Lynx>yeah :>
14:15<cortana>thanks fxiny
14:16<fxiny>cortana: np
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14:17<franklin>Lynx, some wild guesses... either invoke the script in "/" (can't remember it's name), or type exit....
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14:18<franklin>guillaume, mount + chroot + "update-initramfs -u -k VER"
14:18<Lynx>uhm wait, I will google it
14:18<franklin>guillaume, where VER is the kernel version to update.
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14:23<guillaume>franklin I use the default sid installer lvm2 conf with cryptsetup. I have mapper debian-root and debian-home in /dev/sda5 and I mount proc to the chroot(debian-root mapper) too. Can I launch tthis command now without danger ?
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14:25<franklin>guillaume, I the partitions are mounted, I don't see what could be wrong.. but since I've never played with cryptsetup... I can't say.
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14:28<Lynx>franklin: You can continue boot by pressing ctrl-d or type exit. but I get new error: Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init...and that is because of the LVM which isn't intialized
14:29<guillaume>franklin: 2.6.24 kernel and initrd can't start under lvm2 no ? I must find a partition on my sda for boot no ?
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14:29<Lynx>is there any other way to create a new initrd.img ?
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14:29<franklin>Lynx, you can try to mount /root yourself (but going back to your live CD might be easier).
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14:30<franklin>Lynx, ... in your live CD, yes.
14:30<Lynx>ok well, brb :)
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14:30<franklin>Lynx, ok.
14:31<labradors>Hello, I have Debian 4.0 r3 i386 installed on a system with a p4m900-m4 motherboard, for which the built-in audio is Realtek ALC861VD. I would like to use this system and audacity for converting some cassettes to MP3, but the "line input" does not appear in the mixer - only "mic" is there. Does this mean the audio is not fully supported and that I need to get a separate sound card (or use an attenuator with the line connected to t
14:31<labradors>he mic input), or is there a way this can gotten to work? Thanks!
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14:33<guillaume>franklin: my /boot/ is empty...
14:34<chealer>labradors: newer ALSA may support it.
14:34<franklin>guillaume, you have to mount all your partitions (except /home ;)
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14:35<labradors>chealer: Had considered that (not tried it yet), but I get the same results under OSS, so that led me to believe it may be driver related.
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14:36<Lynx>franklin: but isn't it dangerous to create a new initrd.img in a live cd system?
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14:37<franklin>Lynx, you have to mount all your partitions in a chroot.
14:37<Lynx>well ok, let me just mount my partitions
14:38<guillaume>franklin: I do mount /dev/sda1 /boot/ under chroot ( I see it in fstab) chould it be allright now ?
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14:38<lui_G>hallooo
14:39<lui_G>ich wollte mal fragen wann lenny stable wird
14:40<franklin>guillaume, probably (as I told you, i've never used cryptsetup, but if you can see all your files from the chroot, so does update-initramfs)
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14:40<franklin>Lynx, also mount /proc.
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14:41<Lynx>how is the correct syntax?
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14:42<chealer>!tell lui_G about de
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14:43<chealer>lui_G: #debian.de
14:43<franklin>Lynx, syntax for what ?
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14:43<Lynx>for mounting /proc
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14:44<franklin>mount proc /proc -t procfs
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14:45<guillaume>franklin: I got this line twice : cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab - and my crypttab contain only this line : "sda5_crypt /dev/sda5 none luks"
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14:45<Lynx>franklin: well, my root file system is mounted. how do I chroot?
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14:45<morena>ola
14:46<chealer>dondelelcaro: dpkg is missing
14:46<guillaume>franklin: I may try to restart ?
14:46<franklin>guillaume, yep.
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14:47<franklin>Lynx, assuming you mount your root in /target ; simply "chroot /target"
14:47<guillaume>franklin: ok I'll try :)
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14:48<franklin>Lynx, then check /proc is mounted from within that chroot.
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14:49<franklin>Lynx, check the RAID and LVM configuration files, then "update-initramfs -u -k VER"
14:49<franklin>where VER is the kernel version to rebuild
14:50<RealMurphy>Hi there, does anyone know of a HOWTO/FAQ/whatever for high performance NFS setups? I have the problem, that I have a few hundred compute nodes mounting a directory from a data node and not all of these mounts succeed. On the file server the connections do appear, however they get stuck in CLOSE_WAIT state - restarting nfs-kernel-server finally removes these. Any idea where to start tweaking?
14:50<RealMurphy>system is Debian etch with 2.6.24.4 - Nodes use automount V4, connection is NFSV3 over tcp
14:51<Lynx>franklin: on the other partitions "mount" tells me, it isn't a valid block device. Syntax was: "mount -t reiserfs /dev/raid_main_array/home /home"
14:51<eldowan>I'm running an etch i386 box,LANG=en_US.UTF-8 shows when I type locale. I cannot see accented characters. I have a lenny box with the same, and it shows the characters fine. what am I missing to get the accented characters to display?
14:52<franklin>Lynx, just type "mount /home", since the information in /etc/fstab must be correct.
14:52<Lynx>the same problem
14:53<franklin>from another terminal, try "modprobe reiserfs", first;
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14:54<Lynx>well, my / is a ReiserFS too, and that was no problem
14:54<lupine_85>you should only use ReiserFS in a jailed chroot... ;)
14:54<franklin>Lynx, ouch...
14:55<franklin>Lynx, we'll fix that once the system is rebooted.
14:55<Lynx>m'kay
14:55<franklin>lupine_85, what do you mean.
14:55<lupine_85>well, if you don't, it'll corrupt your data and kill your wife
14:55*lupine_85 hides
14:55<Lynx>"mount proc /proc -t procfs" --> proc has wrong device number or fs type procfs not supported
14:56<eldowan>n/m msttcorefonts fixed the problem.
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14:57<franklin>Lynx, s/procfs/proc" ;)
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14:57<fxiny>read wired instead , you will see is a funny brother : i can see my self in his answer : "why Manteca ? why not ?"
14:58<Lynx>done
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14:59<franklin>Lynx, you can also run from another terminal "mount --bind /dev /target/dev" (may be not required, but it won't hurt).
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14:59<Lynx>should I ?
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15:00<Guest1179>franklin: the initrd fail to run tr and sed, can I change busybox to busybox-static in order to solve that or is there better thing to do ?
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15:01<Lynx> well my mdadm.conf is now correct, should I continue with your instructions above?
15:01<franklin>Lynx, I think update-initramfs would still work without it, but has more chance to work with it.
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15:01<Lynx>I'll try first without
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15:03<Lynx>franklin: ok he finished with the update-initramfs
15:03<Lynx>now reboot?
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15:03<franklin>Lynx, rerun lilo..
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15:04<franklin>Lynx, (It should have been invoked by update-initramfs)
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15:04<Lynx>yepp
15:04<Lynx>it was
15:04<franklin>Lynx, then reboot.
15:04<Lynx>got many warning about missing directory structures
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15:05<franklin>Lynx, when ?
15:05<dan_>hello every one
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15:05<Lynx>from lilo
15:05<franklin>Lynx, which structure ?
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15:06<Lynx>/dev/* ... but now it is too late
15:06<dan__>buy
15:06<dan__>oooooooops
15:06<Lynx>already startet shutdown
15:06<dan__>bye
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15:06<dan_>jjjjjj
15:06<franklin>Lynx, yep, lilo might have needed some extra /dev/*
15:06<dan_>desconnect
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15:07<Lynx>well lets see what happens next
15:07<Lynx>wow I think it works
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15:08<franklin>guillaume ?
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15:09<Kernelpanix>franklin, oui ?
15:09<aniky>hi
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15:09<Lynx>franklin: So, what is the next step for me?
15:09<Lynx>franklin: All partitions of my blockdevices seem to be mounted
15:09<franklin>Kernelpanix, hold on I finish with Lynx ..
15:09<franklin>Lynx, the /hom too ?
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15:10<Lynx>franklin: yes
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15:10<franklin>Lynx, re-insert your second disk of RAID-1, i guess.
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15:10<gizmokaka>how do i cange my nickname if using the bitchx terminal client?
15:11<Lynx>franklin: This is already done.
15:11<franklin>Lynx, anything wrong ?
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15:11<gizmokaka>lynx , franklin, can you please help me guys?????
15:11<Lynx>franklin: Currently not. So I don't need to update-initramfs again?
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15:12<Lynx>gizmokaka: /nick nickname
15:12<gizmokaka>tnx
15:12<franklin>Lynx, paranoid... me too when it comes to booting ;)
15:12<franklin>Lynx, so I would say yes.
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15:13<Lynx>franklin: I can't follow your answer ?_?
15:13<aniky>someone can help me to install the gcc in debian? i install this but when trying to compile a program it says that there is no gcc (amsn) gcc-4.1-source_4.1.1-21_all.deb
15:14<dan_>gizmokaka: it's like the small qute animal from the gremlins, right???
15:14<franklin>Lynx, i like to re-run update-initramfs after a recovery like this (paranoid ;)
15:14<gizmokaka>dan_: yep
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15:14<franklin>Kernelpanix, what's up now.
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15:14<dan_>help
15:14<Lynx>franklin: hehe ok. so I think it is finished now. really have no clue what happened to my initramfs :(
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15:15<Lynx>franklin: thx for all your help :)
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15:16<Kernelpanix>franklin, sorry, it's all right
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15:16<franklin>Kernelpanix, I thought you had some sed/tr problem.
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15:19<chealer>aniky: which Debian suite do you use?
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15:21<guillaume>franklin: I built the initrd without error but when I restart I still get errors with tr and sed called by the lvm mapper script, they are missing in busybox ...
15:21<aniky>i download this one debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso
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15:22<franklin>guillaume, strange : sed and tr are implemented inside busybox...
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15:22<guillaume>franklin: I use busybox 1.9.1-3
15:23<franklin>guillaume, ?? unstable is 1:1.9.2-2 !
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15:23<franklin>guillaume, do you endup in a busybox shell prompt ?
15:23<guillaume>franklin: nope after the system start I get the terminal (initramfs) : and when I Type help I didn't get tr nor sed command in the list
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15:24<guillaume>franklin: do you think I can use busybox-static ?
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15:25<guillaume>don't know the difference between this two version of busybox
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15:26<franklin>guillaume, statically or dynamically link to libraries
15:26<chealer>aniky: why do you want to compile amsn?
15:26<franklin>guillaume, Do you use unstable ?
15:26<guillaume>franklin: sid yes
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15:27<aniky>chealer: the install file in amsn first line say it: In order to install amsn, or even to be able to launch it, you will need to compile it first.
15:28<guillaume>franklin: amd64 arch
15:28<franklin>guillaume, try updating busybox (current is 1.9.2-2)
15:28<chealer>aniky: it's inexact. you can install Debian's binary package.
15:29<guillaume>I don't see it in aptitude do I have to download it ?
15:29<franklin>guillaume, you should definetly update : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472653
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15:31<^A^kira>!ping
15:31<franklin>guillaume, press "u" to update the package list.
15:31<aniky>chealer: if it is a .deb file i run ./dpkg --install filename.deb but if the file isn't a .deb file like firefox-2.0.0.13.tar.gz how install it?
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15:32<Mudassar>hi
15:32<Mudassar>Is there any coding guru here
15:32<chealer>aniky: depends
15:32<Mudassar>?
15:32<guillaume>franklin ever done it must be a little bug too :) I 'll do it by hand
15:33<aniky>in the case of firefox for example (in what depends?)
15:33<Mudassar>I am not sure which channel to join to discuss some programming issue
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15:33<Mudassar>can some body solve my problem
15:33<Mudassar>?
15:34<franklin>!ask
15:34<franklin>Mudassar, jsut ask.
15:34<Mudassar>I am developing an HTTPServer
15:34<Mudassar>for academic purpose
15:34<Mudassar>it's an assignment
15:34<labradors>if (!you_ask) {!we_can_answer}
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15:35<chealer>aniky: depends on the program you want to install. in firefox's case, you just don't install it, use Iceweasel instead.
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15:36<Mudassar>when I run the server locally, and send requests from Mozilla IE, everything works fine
15:36<aniky>i dont like iceweasel, the ctrl+enter doesn't work. Firefox can't be installed?
15:36<Mudassar>but when I upload the server on some live IP and then send POST request from Mozilla, the POST data is missing
15:36<Mudassar>it works fine locally
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15:37<Hideo>aniky: ctrl + enter works just fine here
15:37<Mudassar>and with IE too it works fine
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15:37<Mudassar>server and client machines both are on Ubuntu
15:38<Mudassar>hello: franklin, I have stated the problem
15:38<franklin>aniky, iceweaser IS firfox.
15:39<aniky>i was using the other one epiphany
15:39<franklin>aniky, It's just that we can't have the name and logo, because we want to be able to apply our own security patch.
15:39<Mudassar>franklin, did u get my problem
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15:39<Kernelpanix>iceweaser is firefox, in better
15:39<hever>How can I execute a command after ssh login? (I'm going to encrypt the rootpassword from a file and get su rights on remote pc by su.)
15:39<chealer>aniky: it can, but it's not better.
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15:40<franklin>Mudassar, If someone on the channel knows has an answer, he/she we wuld answer.
15:40<franklin>*would
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15:40<Mudassar>hmmm
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15:41<aniky>about installing the gcc, how can obtain it and install it?. I installed (i think) the gcc-4.1-source_4.1.1-21_all.deb , how can i make me sure that the gcc was sucessfully instaled?
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15:41<franklin>Mudassar, many people have thir irc client open, and just have a look every few minutes.
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15:42<chealer>aniky: you just install the gcc package
15:43<franklin>aniky, "gcc --version" !
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15:43<kim>по русски кто то говорит ?
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15:43<aniky>it isn't installed then
15:44<aniky>what file i must download to install gcc? i think it was installed when i do the dpkg --install filename.deb
15:45<franklin>hever, why not "ssh -u root" in the first place ?
15:45<aniky>there is a lot of then and have several dependecies
15:45<hever>franklin, root login is not allowed via ssh for security...
15:45<maex>well, normally just do 'apt-get install build-essential' (as root)
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15:46<franklin>aniky, you seem to need "gcc-4.1", not "gcc-4.1-source"
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15:46<maex>@hever root login via ssh is normally allowed...
15:46<ravenbird>okay, maex
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15:47<hever>franklin, and granting the user im logging in root rights is also not the same...
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15:47<eric_>i have on system running a amd64 kernel which fetch i386 packages and another one with a amd64 kernel fetching amd64 packages. How can that be ?
15:47<hever>maex, perhaps by default....
15:47<maex>@eric there is a amd64 optimized version of an i386 kernel
15:47<ravenbird>maex: okay
15:48<maex>@eric and another 'real' 64 bit amd64 kernel
15:48<franklin>hever, even if you login with your ssh public key ?
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15:48<eric_>maex if i wanted to install i386 packages on my second system, should I reinstall the whole system ?
15:49<maex>@eric why do you want i386 packages?
15:49<eric_>maex some packages aren't available for amd64 arch
15:49<maex>@eric which once?
15:49<chealer>aniky: you don't need to download file manually. what's your favorite package manager?
15:50<maex>@chealer synaptic
15:50<eric_>maex skype, flashplugin-nonfree
15:50<chealer>maex: so you just install gcc with synaptic
15:50<maex>@eric flashplugin-nonfree does work on a 64bit machine;
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15:50<chealer>maex: sorry, that was for aniky
15:51<eric_>maex skype doesn't
15:51<aniky>chealer: what package manager have? and where?
15:51<maex>@eric debian provides some 32bit libraries (not directly i386 arch packages) that you need for libflash-nonfree
15:51<valdyn>eric_: you can use the skype tarball
15:51<maex>@eric sorry, not used to have skype installed
15:52<eric_>valdyn with ia32 libs installed ?
15:52<hever>franklin, what do you mean? I think its more secure not allowing root to login, so I use other accounts... I think also its more secure if I must get superuser rights instead of granting them normaly. If the account is cracked, the cracker is not root by default.
15:52<chealer>aniky: you should have apt-get, and most likely Synaptic and aptitude. apt-get and aptitude would be in your path.
15:52<eric_>maex that's what people here at our NGO use to do long-distance calls
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15:52<maex>@eric yes, ia32 libs are the right way but i think there are more lib32xxx packages you might need to install
15:52<ravenbird>maex: I think you lost me on that one
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15:53<valdyn>eric_: just the package ia32-libs
15:53<eric_>maex if i wanted to pull from i386 repositories, should i install the whole system ?
15:53<eric_>s/install/reinstall
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15:54<maex>eric_ well, is it worth?
15:54<eric_>maex not sure i have the ability to deal with skype tarball + ia32 libs
15:55<franklin>hever, right. but if you transfert a file with the root password in it... Anyway, I understand "ssh -u root " is not an option for you, so...
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15:55<aniky>chealer: how is supposed to work apt-get? where can read about it?
15:55<maex>@eric there are some nice sites: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432295&highlight=skype for example
15:55<ravenbird>...but eric there is already something else...
15:55<maex>@eric but i've not tested that
15:55<valdyn>eric_: cd ~/; tar xvzf skype*.gz; cd skype<tab>; ./skype
15:55<chealer>aniky: see its manual page, or use $ apt-get -h
15:56<hever>franklin, ok thanks ;) I'm going to decrypt a password file on my local pc and pass the password to su ....
15:56<eric_>valdyn i'll try that thx
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15:57<franklin>hever, I guess you want to do all that by script, not manually typing the commands ?
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15:58<hever>franklin, yes. On rightclick I open a new shell and I'm just prompted for my password for the private key and perhaps the same for the encrypted root password and then voila without copying long strong secure passwords to the shell, which I can't remember even if I had one week to learn it ;)
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15:59<hever>And there is not really a security increase. Because I think my local PC is secure enough...
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16:00<Hideo>hever: have you looked into public key authentication?
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16:01<hever>Hideo, yes sure... I'm using it....
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16:02<franklin>hever, what do you want to run on the remote host, and how ?
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16:03<hever>franklin, I'm going to administrate some servers... As I said I'm going to use this script to get root access on the remote system.... Then the daily work can start... ;)
16:03<Hideo>hever: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152
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16:05<maex>hever in that case you should better forbid external root logins in your ssh servers...
16:05<Hideo>better to use "su" or "sudo"
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16:06<hever>Hideo, hey, before I changed the password of my private key I tried ssh-agent, fine but changing the password gives me the same security and usability...
16:06<hever>maex, Hideo hey guys... read what I wrote ;) Thats exactly what I am doing, and goind to do ;)
16:07<aniky>chealer: thanks, i can install the gcc with the apt-get, but i have no man page for gcc you know how obtain it?
16:07<hever>maex, root login is not permitted
16:07<hever>Hideo, I can only become root via su
16:07<ranix>how can you possibly not remember a long secure password
16:07<hever>(I don't want use sudo, because it increases the security)
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16:08<ranix>I md5 klingon words and use the results with punctuation added as passwords on the sensitive equipment at work
16:08<maex>hever on my servers it is, because to be able to do administartion stuff from anywhere
16:09<hever>So I log in with ssh. It prompts me for the private key password I could remember. Then I'm logged in to the server and get root rights by su - and copying a long and secure password from clipboard...
16:09<ranix>remember your long secure password and type it
16:09<hever>Now I want that this long password is stored in a (Perhaps encrypted) file and passed automatically to the server...
16:09<ranix>are we talking a 15 character password here or what
16:09<chealer>aniky: yes (install gcc-doc)
16:10<franklin>hever, you could laster paste your pw somewhere else inadvertently.
16:10<ranix>your brain is an appropriate encrypted storage device for this task
16:10<Hideo>ranix: hah some of my pass-phrases are approx 30 chars
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16:10<ranix>Hideo: and you don't shit a brick trying to remember them right
16:10<Hideo>nope :P
16:10<ranix>Hideo: I'm wondering what this guy's password is that it's so insane
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16:11<ranix>I knew a guy who had a password to a locked safe in his house that was the first 60 notes of a sonata in the key of D with one note off
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16:11<ranix>but we are probably not talking that level of complexity
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16:11<franklin>anybody who tell me that he can make password stronger than a public key is ... **** ! The most valid reason to sudo/su , is to know who uses the root account.
16:11<Hideo>ranix: but sometimes you may want to schedule a login via cron using a script
16:11<hever>Its 64 characters long.... and complex
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16:12<hever>franklin, you got it exactly ! (having the password in clipboard is not a good idea)
16:12<Hideo>hever: then why don't you just go public key only, no passwords?
16:13<ranix>hever: make your password easier to remember. You are not increasing security by having a hard-to-remember password. You need to read up on security theory
16:13<maex>i heard from people never switching their computer of in order not to have to type the password in again...
16:13<Hideo>hever: the article I linked you to shows exactly that
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16:13<hever>Hideo, I'm still using Public keys to log in at the normal account
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16:14<Hideo>and you don't have to use passwords.
16:15<Hideo>like you said, your box is secure, so nobody can hack in and use that private key, so there's no need to password it.
16:15<hever>Hideo, Because there is the possibility that someone hacks in some way the ssh server. I'm not really sure how buffer owerflow works but I think disallowing root login could help for example a bit against this...
16:16<Hideo>hever: if they hack into the server, they get your public key, not private key
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16:16<hever>Hideo, yes sure... Said I what against that ?!
16:16<ranix>hever: man in the middle attack needs both keys
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16:17<ranix>hever: you would only be succeptible to a spoof attack, which is nearly useless
16:17<ranix>hever: if they've already compromised the server, pretending to BE the server is retarded and superfluous right?
16:17<franklin>Hideo, a password is still good idea (one can enable ssh-agent is he doesn't want to to type it again an again)... no single box should be assumed to be secure (except your ldap|kerberos server.. no ssh on that box ;)
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16:18<hever>I agree with franklin...
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16:18<Hideo>well, if you want to make life harder... :(
16:19<ranix>I still say just get an equally-strong password that is easier to remember
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16:19<Hideo>s/password/passphrase/
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16:20<ranix>my passphrase is "Right-click the titmouse"
16:20<franklin>with good entropy ..
16:20<aniky>someone can tell me how change the color of the terminals from white to black?
16:20<franklin>aniky, what terminal gnome, kde ?
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16:21<aniky>franklin: i dont know, i never choose what to install
16:21<Hideo>oh btw, 16.00.03 # <hever> And there is not really a security increase. Because I think my local PC is secure enough...
16:22<Hideo>so ... passworded private key vs. passwordless private key are the same in your case, but one takes more effort
16:22<franklin>you s system's menu is a footprint, or a "K" ?
16:22<franklin>aniky, your system's menu is a footprint, or a "K" ?
16:22<aniky>foot
16:22<franklin>aniky, welcome to gnome !
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16:23<franklin>aniky, in terminal window, Menuedit > current profile..
16:23<laofeifei>hello everyone!!
16:23<ranix>laofeifei: sup nigga
16:24<laofeifei>anyone good at tuning xfce4? I have a problem with its right edit menu.
16:24<aniky>thanks.
16:24<franklin>aniky, ... color tab. un-tick the "use colors from system theme", and ... pick yout theme.
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16:26<aniky>yes, yes. i am not so slow. ~_^
16:26<laofeifei>In right-click menu, there is one section of system menu, including categories such as 'Accessories', 'Development', 'Graphics', ...., 'Others', 'System'....
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16:26<laofeifei>I happened to execute one command of " # update-menus"
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16:27<laofeifei>then all applications on my system are put into the 'Other' category of the system menu
16:27<laofeifei>I tried many ways to remove them from the 'Other' category, but failed
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16:28<aniky>i am leaving, thanks, franklin and chealer.
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16:28<laofeifei>anybody how to fix this problem?
16:28<franklin>aniky, did you had your answer for gcc manpage ?
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16:29<laofeifei>nobody knows?
16:29<aniky>yes
16:30<franklin>aniky, in doubt... some package have big documentation. in that case, the doc is usually in a package **-doc ( so yuors is gcc-4.1-doc )
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16:33<laofeifei>anybody has any idea of my problems?
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16:33<Killing_Frost>Greetings...
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16:34<laofeifei>no? thanks.
16:34<stroyan>Killing_Frost: Isn't it a little late in the year for you?
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16:35<Killing_Frost>It's never too late for me.
16:35<maex>has anyone had a look at debian hurd?
16:35<stroyan>Killing_Frost: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1816
16:35<Hideo>global warming is happening, there won't be a need for Killing_Frost in the future
16:36<Killing_Frost>S'okay. I'll just move to Io or Pluto.
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16:37<Killing_Frost>With all the global warming, you might want a cold drink now and then, too.
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16:38<hever>The problem is, ssh runs either a command and exits or executes a shell. But I want execute a shell and run a command in it ;)
16:39<Delph>hever: then run a shell
16:39<Delph>with an argument that causes it to run a command
16:39<Zathras>Hi. After installing wpa_supplicant (at least I think that is the cause) my madwifi WEP based network has stopt working. No errors. SSID can be seen etc
16:39<hever>Yes I tried (shortly)
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16:40<Zathras>I want wpa_supplicant so I can switch shortly to WPA on another modem
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16:40<Zathras>any idea what I should look for now it is no longer working as it should?
16:40<Killing_Frost>Any script should run a shell and a command with an #!/bin/sh in the first line of the script.
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16:41<|Dede|>How can I change the timezone? (UNIX command) so that "date" will show my real timezone
16:41<hever>Delph, I thought it doesn't work but it "works". But I see now no Pompt. "myuser@myhost:"
16:41<Hideo>|Dede|: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
16:41<Killing_Frost>tzselect
16:41<Delph>what do you mean, you see no prompt?
16:42<Delph>i'm not sure what you want to do
16:42<Delph>you want to start a shell on the far side, then automatically run a command, yes?
16:42<|Dede|>Killing_Frost: I used tzselect before, but it still uses BST as timezone, although the time I set is correct
16:42<Delph>so you sh -e "foobarwibblebaz.exe" and it runs, and it returns, and it's all good?
16:43<|Dede|>But I want it to show GMT +1 or something particular
16:43<hever>Delph, I'm going to get root rights after ssh login.
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16:43<Delph>hever: oh, so you're logging in as root?
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16:43<hever>running "su -" causes "su: must be run from a terminal"
16:43<Hideo>Killing_Frost: tzselect doesn't actually change the timezone
16:44<|Dede|>Hideo: It still says BST
16:44<hever>interesting. I thought bash is a terminal.
16:44<hever>Delph, no as "normal" user
16:44<Hideo>|Dede|: you did "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" ?
16:44<Delph>hever: why are you doig this?
16:44<Delph>why not just login as root
16:44<hever>;)
16:44<|Dede|>How do I set the current default timezone?
16:44<Killing_Frost>You setting the time for the whole system, or for just a user?
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16:44<hever>Delph, we talked about this just 15 min ago ;)
16:44<|Dede|>(I want to set for the whole system. btw)
16:45<Delph>oh yes
16:45<|Dede|>Hideo: How do I set the current default timezone?
16:45<Delph>that's a stupid way to do it.
16:45<hever>And its interesing by the way.
16:45<Delph>as it's trivial to gain root that way, no?
16:46<hever>using pipe also interpreted as running command
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16:46<Hideo>|Dede|: I just showed you how.
16:46<|Dede|>mainframe01:/home/bene# dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
16:46<|Dede|>Current default timezone: 'Europe/London'.
16:46<|Dede|>it doesnt set it
16:46<Delph>i mean, above and beyond simply getting login to the box itself
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16:46<|Dede|>I want it to be 'Europe/Berlin'
16:46<hever>Delph, ?! My english is not the best...
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16:46<Hideo>|Dede|: you didn't get a menu with a list of regions to select from?
16:46<Killing_Frost>try 'ls /etc/*time*'
16:46<hever>sry
16:46<mmi>how can i enable javascript to work in apache?
16:47<hever>lol
16:47<Delph>(just trap the incoming requests, go and ignore the existing shell script, instead go and run key-logger.sh, which records the root password, and then emails it to the attacker...)
16:47<|Dede|>Hideo: No, not using dpkg-reconfigure
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16:47<Delph>so you may as well just login directly as root.
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16:47<|Dede|>Hideo: I want to set that time for all users
16:47<hever>mmi, If I not misssing that there is something called also javascript in the apache world, you must do nothing. This is browser related...
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16:48<franklin>mmi, what do you mean ?
16:48<Hideo>|Dede|: I don't know what is wrong with your system, but when I do "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" I get a list of regions that I can choose to set my timezone to.
16:49<Delph>hever: you might want to poke the -t flag to ssh, though
16:49<mmi>hever i have some jc.extension in my website who dont work
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16:49<hever>mmi, what means don't work ?
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16:51<franklin>mmi do you want to _run_ the javascript on the server side, or should it be executed on the client side ?
16:51<mmi>hever in my site a ihave a section for chat
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16:51<mmi>and this is made with a javascript
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16:52<mmi>on my home station (local) works but when i upload on server dont
16:52<mmi>i thik is something from apache or php.ini configuration
16:52<mmi>:(
16:53<franklin>mmi, where can I find the source ?
16:53<hever>mmi, you must do nothing and can't do a much on the serverside...
16:53<hever>Perhaps you must alter a config file or something...
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16:55<mmi>but apache knows to read jc?
16:55<mmi>but apache knows to read js?
16:56<maex>@mmi ?? a web server should never read js unless js is a client side script language
16:56<ravenbird>that's too long, maex
16:56<mmi>don't work meeans dont show what i chat
16:56<franklin>mmi, usually, it does (but it can be configured).
16:56<Killing_Frost>Little does Sun know that java is breaking the law. It's a crime to access or cause data to be accessed from another computer or network without permission.
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16:57<hever>Delph, thank you it works very simple by passing su - with the t flag to ssh ....
16:57<franklin>mmi, apache simply have to recognised the type of file, and send the appropriate mime-type. (many server simply send text/plain which is fine).
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17:00<Killing_Frost>B, Double-E, Double-R, U, N - Beer Run!
17:00<mmi>in my webpage i have some jave script files what i think apache must read
17:00<hever>mmi, How works the chat?
17:01<mmi>but this dont work
17:01<Hideo>!beer Killing_Frost
17:01<Hideo>boo, dpkg isn't here
17:01<hever>apache serves files... browsers download files from webservers,
17:01<franklin>mmi, Can i get the chat script from somewhere to look how it works ?
17:02<mmi>is a chat for help about producs from site, client enter a id and chat with us
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17:03<mmi>i try to look
17:03<hever>There can be sooo much problems so we need more informations. Perhaps its a datase error or very special AJAX related or whatever... You must look up the code yourself or post it somewhere... You can use the JavaScript Debugger AddOn
17:04<hever>And have a look at the error console...
17:04<mmi>but in generaly i must have some apache module enable for this?
17:05<hever>Passing -t makes me free ;)
17:05<hever>mmi, NO
17:05<franklin>mmi, typically, chat systems are made of some server-side script (in php, or similar), and a client-side scipt (in javascript, flash, java). The client downloads the source of the the scripts from the server. The client then execute the script locally.
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17:07<stroyan>mmi: Don't write the phrase "jave script files" (or "java script files"). Java and javascript are two different languages. There is enough confusion without writing "java script".
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17:09<IRCFrEAK>Hi al, i need help. Is there anyone can tell me if ftp_conntrack module of ipfilter support ftp-ssl please ?
17:09<stroyan>mmi: Some web sites do use server-side java. Some do user server-side javascript- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server-side_JavaScript
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17:11<Delph>stroyan: don't forget JSP, while you're at it :)
17:12<Delph>(which is a java-based scripting language, which does need magic in the apache to use)
17:12<stroyan>Gack. What a mess.
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17:16<stroyan>mmi: That html you pm'd to me looks like plain client-side javascript. I would suspect the server config you need is related to the php part.
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17:17<hever>he prompted to me chat.php (What was forwarded to notification windows which filled my screen ;) )
17:18<hever>so mmi paste the chat.php and the best is linking us to the site...
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17:19<ubuntu>hey
17:19<hever>Do you get php errors ?
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17:20<franklin>mmi's script is http://www.davidsterry.com/chatr.latest.zip ... I think it's a permission problem during the copy.
17:20<newuserinlinux>does anyone know of a simple guide to getting beryl/compizfusion up and running?
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17:22<lontra>newuserinlinux: i bet #ubuntu does and using their guide would probably be best ;)
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17:35<hever>Delph, how can I pass a password to su ?
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17:47<maex>hever via the command? no chance! i tried many ways...
17:48<hever>maex, yes :( I begin beliving that it is not possible because it reads not from stdin. What was you workaround ?
17:49<themill>what's the question?
17:49<maex>hever i think this is forbidden due to security reasons; ( "echo <random-password> | su") this would be a easy way for a brute force or not?
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17:50<dave_>nvidia
17:50<hever>maex, I dont understand this: http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-10951.html
17:50<hever>maex, yes but with a secure password no problem...
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17:51<maex>hever ... the code in the link is working?
17:51<hever>maex, change it all 10.000 years would be secure enough ;)
17:51<themill>why would you want to do that though? That's what sudo is for.
17:51<hever>maex, no and I dont understand the code.
17:51<hever>(not for me but I read it now twice)
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17:54<hever>themill, I'm going to get root acess via normal account trough ssh with public key...
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17:55<dave_>public key
17:55<stroyan>hever: It looks like the OS X su command is willing to read from a pipe or file. But the debian su command will not. You could trick it with the expect utility. But you probably don't really want to do that.
17:55<maex>hever no, it does not work for me; i think there is NO workaround; a better way would be to use sudo (with permissions set in the config)
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17:57<themill>sudo will do whatever it is you are wanting to do without doing silly things like embedding passwords in scripts. But for future reference, see also sudo -S and expect as two other approaches.
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18:23<Ikarus>hi, what idiot do I get to shoot for dropping support for xmms
18:23*panthera
18:23<azeem>huh, do you highlight on xmms?
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18:24<panthera>azeem: no, i'm lucky.
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18:24<nomadium>Ikarus: you are welcome to help to port that thing to gtk2
18:24<azeem>panthera: so you don't highlight on pth either?
18:24<azeem>too bed
18:24<Ikarus>nomadium: that's the main issue ?
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18:24<azeem>bad*
18:24<azeem>Ikarus: it's gtk1
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18:24<Ikarus>azeem: so ?
18:24<c4>hi
18:24<panthera>azeem: i ment it as i said. it was jus tluck.
18:25<Ikarus>azeem: so are alot of other apps I still like to run at times
18:25<nomadium>Ikarus: i'm not very well informed but i hear that reason among others
18:25<azeem>panthera: I'm trying to trick you into looking at #466115
18:25<azeem>Ikarus: then stay with etch
18:25<c4>where is the damn pendrive device? --> usb 1-3.4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7
18:25<nomadium>Ikarus: anyway, upgrading from etch to lenny doesn't remove old packages like xmms
18:26<Ikarus>azeem: not an option
18:26<Ikarus>nomadium: yes it does
18:26<Ikarus>azeem: I need too much recent stuff
18:26<azeem>*shrug*
18:26<Ikarus>anyway, so someone decided gtk1 has to go, WHY
18:26<azeem>it's unmaintained
18:26<nomadium>exactly
18:26<Ikarus>azeem: so is half the software in Debian anyway
18:26<azeem>nope
18:26<Ikarus>azeem: check it out
18:26<Ikarus>for most upstream is highly inactive
18:27<Ikarus>doesn't seem to be a reason to drop it though
18:27<azeem>because the maintainers want to support it
18:27<azeem>nobody want to support gtk1 though
18:27<c4>mount /dev/1-3.4 /mnt/pen <-- not a block device ??
18:27<Ikarus>azeem: except quite a few people depend on gtk1 with either their own apps, or apps that have never been ported
18:27<azeem>1-3.4?
18:27<panthera>Ikarus: upstream of xmms is dead.
18:28<Ikarus>and it seems easier to support gtk1 then to update all those packages
18:28<azeem>Ikarus: they had 5 years to port them or get them ported
18:28<Ikarus>panthera: so ?, there are no replacements that actually work as well
18:28<panthera>Ikarus: that's not the point. xmms is dead.
18:28<panthera>Ikarus: unless *you* *do* support xmms and gtk1 in debian,
18:29<panthera>Ikarus: it is the perogative of those who did to decide to continue it or drop it.
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18:29<panthera>Ikarus: if you would care to read the mail to -devel about the xmms removal, almost a year ago,
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18:30<panthera>Ikarus: you would understand. or have stepped up.
18:30<nomadium>Ikarus: xmms will not dissapear
18:30<nomadium>Ikarus: surely someone will put that package in a popular repo
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18:30<Ikarus>nomadium: appaerently some changes where done such that my system just decided to junk it
18:31<nomadium>Ikarus: or you can build your package from the sources of the etch distro
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18:31<nomadium>Ikarus: dget and debuild are your friends
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18:31<Ikarus>anyway, I say stop bitching, xmms has that many bugs because it has alot of use, hence testing (and yeah, some architectural stuff, utf-8 mainly), so I am sort of wondering what the argument really is, it sticks out perhaps as a bad apple
18:32<themill>Ikarus: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html
18:32<Ikarus>themill: arguments provided are rather baseless
18:32<Ikarus>it doesn't support unicode, then well, we can scrap about 10000 other packages
18:32<themill>"Upstream has deprecated development and support" is not a baseless argument
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18:32<Ikarus>anyone up for the job ?
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18:32<nomadium>Ikarus: but no in the eyes of the maintainers, that's the point
18:33<nomadium>Ikarus: xmms requires people willing to help maintain gtk1 stuff
18:33<Ikarus>nomadium: I am going to have to do that anyway
18:33<Ikarus>got a few apps that won't ever get ported
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18:35<chealer>themill: see "ATTENTION DEBIAN!" on http://xmms.org/
18:35<chealer>Ikarus: watch your language, and define "dropping support for xmms"
18:36<panthera>lamers.
18:36<panthera>the *only* change xmms.org made from june 2007 to october 2007 was to increment the version number.
18:36<amphi>heh
18:36-!-ohcibi|lappi [~ohcibi@dslb-088-076-206-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:36<panthera>so much for 'upstream is active'.
18:36<panthera>and so much for their PR on their website, claiming that they are indeed active.
18:36<amphi>what's wrong with audacious, for xmms lovers?
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18:37<Ikarus>amphi: still quite buggy in quite a few things (stream playing comes to mind)
18:37<panthera>audacious <1.4 was too broken
18:37<amphi>Ikarus: ah - I don't use it myself; quodlibet works well for me
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18:39<filipe_>I'm trying to create an ext3 filesystem on my mdadm raid partition and I'm getting the following error: mkfs.ext3: Filesystem too large. No more than 2**31-1 blocks
18:39<filipe_> (8TB using a blocksize of 4k) are currently supported.
18:39<dwon>c4: USB drives usually show up as SCSI devices, i.e. /dev/sd*
18:39<filipe_>According to wikipedia it's possible to have ext3 with 16TB
18:39<filipe_>Is there a way to get this in debian?
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18:39<dwon>c4: Of course, be careful, because real SCSI disks and SATA disks do too.
18:40<Ikarus>amphi: I have been messing with the audacious maintainer actually on it, but to me it still doesn't work well enough
18:40<dwon>filipe_: Have you tried a bigger blocksize?
18:40<Ikarus>btw, xmms upstream isn't dead from what I checked, they are still pushing out security updates when relevant
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18:40<Ikarus>the only updates that count imo
18:41<filipe_>dwon maximum is 4K for my architecture
18:41<nomadium>Ikarus: anyway 'mplayer /net/mp3/sonic_youth/rather_ripped/*' works for me :)
18:42<Ikarus>anyway, gtk1 maintainence, sure, I'll pick it up..... if that is what it takes, grmbl
18:43<dwon>filipe_: Ah, I see. You don't necessarily want to do that anyway. Sometimes e2fsck can eat up a _lot_ of memory.
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18:43<dwon>filipe_: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html <-- "In [Linux kernel] 2.6 the maximum (32-bit CPU) limit is of block devices is 16TB, but ext3 supports only up to 4TB."
18:43<filipe_>dwon yes i found that but it's incorrect
18:44<dwon>that looks dated, though
18:44<panthera>Ikarus: in case you're serious: you probably want to speak with upstream first, you probably would also be needing to get it reactivated there too.
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18:44<panthera>+first
18:44<filipe_>dwon yes but e2fsck still uses less memory than xfscheck
18:44<Ikarus>panthera: libgtk1 ? or xmms upstream ?
18:44<Ikarus>libgtk1 for me is critical
18:44<filipe_>dwon which doesn't even start to run and aborts with out of memory error, even with 16GB of memory
18:44<panthera>Ikarus: gtk1
18:45<Ikarus>too many apps depending on it that I can't even begin to port
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18:45<c4_tt>where is my pendrive device??
18:45<Ikarus>but afaik, gtk1 isn't broken with anything, except a few minor bugs with new versions of gcc afaik
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18:46<filipe_>dwon it seems that support for >8TB was added in >2.6.18 but i don't think that exists in debian stable :(
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18:46<themill>Ikarus: you realise that you aren't just becoming the gtk1 maintainer for debian, you're becoming its upstream as well. gtk1 is abandonware.
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18:46<panthera>Ikarus: you haven't read the bts. ;)
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18:46<dwon>filipe_: perhaps not. I don't know.
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18:47<Ikarus>if I have to I'll just maintain it at a steady state, ie, keep it compiling to the current level of functionality
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18:47<Ikarus>I mean there are alot of architecture related "bugs"
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18:48<themill>Ikarus: old code rots. You'll probably find that it won't even compile within a couple of gcc releases....
18:48<dwon>filipe_: In light of fsck memory usage and other issues, it might be safer, for the time being, to split your storage into multiple filesystems.
18:48<Ikarus>themill: I have been keeping track of most of that
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18:48<dwon>c4_tt: I already answered you.
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18:49<filipe_>dwon yes but that's not an option unfortunatly
18:49<c4_tt>dwon?
18:49<c4_tt>ok
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18:50<c4_tt>dwon: none of the /dev/sd* is the pendrive, how can i get the device?
18:51<abrotman>are the usb mass storage modules loaded?
18:51<c4_tt>/dev/bus/usb/001 ??
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18:53<c4_tt>abrotman: whats the name of that module in lsmod?
18:53<c4_tt>ohci_hcd?
18:53<c4_tt>i have that one
18:53<abrotman>no ...
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18:54<abrotman>usb-storage and sd-mod ?
18:55<c4_tt>Alam_Debian:/dev# usb 1-3.4: USB disconnect, address 9
18:55<c4_tt>that doesn't say anything?
18:55<c4_tt>let me see modconf
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19:00<c4_tt>abrotman: < > USB Mass Storage support <-- here it's the problem
19:00<abrotman>that's a problem ?
19:00<c4_tt>abrotman: So, i need mass storage and what is sd-mod?
19:01<abrotman>that might be enough
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19:03<abrotman>c4_tt: if you're on etch .. you can install usbmgr .. it does a decent job of loading modules when needed
19:03<c4_tt>ok
19:04<c4_tt>thanks dwon and abrotman
19:04<c4_tt>let's fork() some!
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19:22<techjohnny>list
19:23<techjohnny>help
19:23<abrotman>with what?
19:23<techjohnny>/help list
19:23<abrotman>do you want warez or a channel list?
19:23<techjohnny>channel list
19:23<abrotman>techjohnny: /list
19:24<techjohnny>it's not echoing anything.
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19:58<elcio>alguem poderia me ajudar? como faço para poder atualizar o debian cdd br 1.0?
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19:58<azeem>!pt
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19:58<Supaplex>!br
19:58<azeem>%br
19:58<azeem>@br
19:58<ravenbird>methinks br is Brazil
19:58<azeem>pfft
19:58<Supaplex>ravenbird: oh really now?
19:58<ravenbird>i don't know, Supaplex
19:58<themill>ravenbird: you suck
19:58<ravenbird>Dream on, themill. These lips will never touch your flesh.
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19:59<elcio>im sorry!
19:59<azeem>Este canal � apenas em ingl�s. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:59<themill>hmm.... I wonder if ravenbird has a "unicodesmite" cmd for azeem....
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20:00<elcio>i need update and upgrade my debian cdd br 1.0, any peoples know i take this?
20:00<Supaplex>cdd?
20:01<elcio>yes in brazil have this distribuition of debian
20:01<themill>@cdd
20:01<themill>bloody bots
20:01<themill>Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD
20:01<themill>Supaplex: ^^
20:02<elcio>this distribuition is more soft for new user instalations in desktops home
20:02<Supaplex>oh for cool.
20:02<elcio>yes
20:02<Supaplex>are you asking about how to update it after this is all installed? or update the cd for new installs?
20:03<elcio>yes
20:03<elcio>after installation!
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20:03<Supaplex>then it should be the same as any install. aptitude update aptitude upgrade
20:04-!-mire [~mire@45-173-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:04<elcio>ok one minute please
20:04<themill>possibly dist-upgrade
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20:06<elcio>great supaplex
20:07<elcio>aptitude ok!
20:07<elcio>but debian dont search new pakages for installation!
20:07<Supaplex>what, like dselect?
20:08<elcio>i need install amsn
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20:08<Supaplex>so install it
20:08<Supaplex>@search
20:08<ravenbird>try to use 'apt-cache search <regex>' instead of abusing the bots and flooding the channel. see also msg, or dpkg -S search, or `cat /var/lib/dpkg/available| grep Package| grep <blah>`, or http://packages.debian.org, or /msg dpkg find <thing>
20:09<elcio>ok!
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20:09<elcio>thanks for your atention!
20:10<elcio>and sorry because my bad english!
20:10<elcio>thanks!
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20:10<Supaplex>just go easy on the ! marks and you'll be fine.
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20:24<themill>@g'night
20:24<ravenbird>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
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20:33<Hideo>gah I hate Peng-Robinson equations of state!
20:33<Dalcio>alguem aqui..fala portugues???
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20:33<Hideo>English please
20:34<xente>falo portugues
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20:35<cusco>!pt
20:35<Dalcio>boa noite...
20:35<xente>ate mais
20:35<Dalcio>preciso travar minha essid
20:35<xente>ta' bom
20:35<Dalcio>nao sei como fazer
20:36<cusco>travar?
20:36<Dalcio>yes
20:36<Dalcio>mas minha conexao..wiereless é via pppoe
20:36<cusco>ah! nao emitir o broadcast
20:36<xente>deve ser nos "settings", ne'?
20:36<Dalcio>com a placa desabilitada
20:36<Hideo>@pt
20:36<ravenbird>i guess pt is a Manuel
20:36<Dalcio>tenho 3 ap.. em roaming...e tem um q ta travando
20:36<cusco>que eh que o pppoe tem a ver com wireless?
20:37<cusco>~pt
20:37<Dalcio>ele conecta..via pppoe
20:37<Dalcio>e he conexao wireless
20:37<cusco>tens 3 ap e um trava?
20:37<cusco>o que e travar?
20:37<Dalcio>sim
20:37<Dalcio>nao navega
20:37<cusco>esse ap corre debian?
20:38<Dalcio>nao sei
20:38<Dalcio>eu uso kurumin
20:38<Dalcio>o provedor nao da suporte..linx...
20:38<Dalcio>nem responde minhas mensagens.. rsrsrs
20:38<cusco>a culpa nao e do provedor
20:39<cusco>tu nao usas debian!
20:39<Dalcio>eu sei... so falei pra ilustrar... que nao tenho suporte...deles
20:39<Dalcio>uso uma distribuicao brasileira..basead em debian
20:39<abrotman>@pt
20:39<ravenbird>from memory, pt is a Manuel
20:39<abrotman>@br
20:39<ravenbird>somebody said br was Brazil
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20:39<abrotman>oh ffs
20:39<abrotman>try #debian-br
20:39<noflash>this is an english channel
20:39<cusco>e nos aki nao podemos falar portugues! apenas ingles!
20:39<Hideo>abrotman: I tried the @pt too
20:40<Hideo>where's dpkg when we need it
20:40<Dalcio>sorry
20:40<abrotman>Hideo: dead
20:40<Hideo>:( who killed it?
20:41<cusco>who the hell is peer and why is he resetting my connection
20:41<Mr_Giraffe>cusco, old joke
20:41<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: where's our bot?
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20:46<abrotman>Supaplex: the bot has been dead all day .. he knows
20:47<lewis>what is to stop spammers from spoofing my e-mail address, and in turn, me getting hundreds of undeliverables?
20:47<lewis>Don't SenderID/SPF records only work if the receiving mailserver does the checks?
20:48<Supaplex>lewis: the same thing that prevents the post office from sending you boat loads of unwanted snailmail.
20:48<Supaplex>"not much"
20:48<lewis>well, shit
20:49<cwood>Nobody cares enough to spoof your email address, nobody cares enough to spoof your mailing address. Okay?
20:49<abrotman>lewis: Hi! I'm the internet, I can't be trusted!
20:49<abrotman>cwood: lies
20:50<cwood>I should clarify. Nobody cares enough about YOU to spoof YOU. So there.
20:50<cwood>(Expansive third person you usage.)
20:50<Supaplex>you think?
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20:51<abrotman>cwood: people spoof emails .. but they don't pick a person intentionally .. it's just a jumbled list of names .. yours gets used
20:51<cwood>They're not spoofing you in particular, they're just using random strings... a bit different than deliberate slander via identity theft.
20:51<abrotman>uh no
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20:52<lewis>I realize that, but after it becomes excessive, just thinking of preventative measures...
20:52<lewis>the e-mails I receive aren't spam themselves, just NDRs from other providers...
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20:53<Supaplex>those other providers have 'spam blowback' issues. they should NEVER queue messages if they don't intend to accept them.
20:53<lewis>yeh - the providers aren't exactly big names..
20:53<Supaplex>yup, it's a free scapegoat for spammers
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20:54<lewis>new e-mail address I suppose...
20:54<Supaplex>those are a dime a dozen :)
20:54<lewis>thanks for your help in clarifying.
20:55<lewis>have a good evening
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20:56<cwood>You can always block email from providers who provide these fake-bounces.
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20:57<cwood>That is, if you control these servers. Or possibly filter that kind of bounce via procmail or similar.
20:57<Dalcio>ainda nao consegui... alguem pode falar comigo no reservado...sobre wireless?
20:58<azeem>Dalcio: #debian-br
20:58<Dalcio>ninguem responde..no debian-br...
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20:59<azeem>Dalcio: then wait
20:59<azeem>this is an english channel
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20:59<Dalcio>ok. tank's
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21:02<azeem>!hi
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21:04<Supaplex>dpkg: test
21:04<dpkg>Test Failed.
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21:05<Hideo>dpkg: wb
21:05<dpkg>thanks, hideo. It's good to be back.
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21:09<Hideo>dpkg: solve Peng-Robinson Equations of state
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21:16<Supaplex>dpkg: pal Hideo
21:16*dpkg points at Hideo and laughs
21:16<Supaplex>>:)
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21:18<abrotman>* raseac pokes Supaplex and laughs **squishy**
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21:21<Hideo>Supaplex: :(
21:21<Hideo>what a PITA
21:21<Supaplex>homework?
21:21<Hideo>yes sir
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21:23<Hideo>it'd be easy if I can put it in a spreadsheet or matlab and solve it, but no... the prof wants it done by hand
21:23<abrotman>you know .. to learn
21:23<Supaplex>do it by hand. you'll learn it.
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21:25<Hideo>abrotman Supaplex, it's just algebra, nothing to learn, it's just so freaking long with all the substutions
21:25<Supaplex>I had an interview last week, and didn't recall how I converted decimal to binary. you'll have times where you'll have to do it the hard/long way. It didn't take me long to break down the problem and have all my answers for that in, and correct. :)
21:26<Hideo>this is easy, just look up values from a table, plug and chug
21:26<Hideo>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_of_state#Peng-Robinson_equation_of_state
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21:26<Supaplex>what table? I had no internet access at the time
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21:26<Supaplex>no pc, no calculator, just pencil and my exam.
21:27<Hideo>Supaplex: table of experimental values, then plug into the formula and calculate
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21:28<Hideo>thing is, he wants to do the type of problem multiple times by hand, it's ludicrous, I have better things to do than this
21:29<Hideo>*ahem* went off-topic, sorry
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21:36<Killing_Frost>Greetings...
21:36<Hideo>howdy
21:38<Killing_Frost>Didn't I see you in Metal Gear Solid?
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21:40<Hideo>I don't play Metal Gear Solid =)
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21:49<AsciiU>Hey all
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21:56<zaq>my intel ipw3945 wireless mysteriously worked last week, and this week back to not working at all
21:56<zaq>i knew i should not have rebooted
21:56<zaq>maybe it was something in debian testing that fleetingly functioned
21:56<zaq>this is an awfully quiet channel for 309 nicks....
21:56<zaq>hello?
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22:01<zaq>5 hand typed lines in 3 minutes is flooding deb"helper"?
22:03<Hideo>heh yeah, I was wondering what the hell was going on with debhelper.
22:03<Hideo>it kicked you like 1 minute after your last sentence too.
22:04<zaq>crazy...
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22:06<zaq>i'm going to #debian on freenode.net, this place is strange, maybe bad connection...
22:06<Hideo>zaq: #debian moved from freenode to here.
22:06<Hideo>this is the official #debian now
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22:10<zaq>there's no reason to even lurk here there's no conversation, freenode has actual conversations about debian right now, this rooms asleep, and gonna bump me for posting
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22:13<abrotman>Hideo: not really ..
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22:13<abrotman>course .. he didn't go over there
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22:18<Mr_Giraffe>hi, i just updated my system and my sound card isn't working. any ideas about what may have happened?
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22:19<gsimmons>Mr_Giraffe: What sound device do you have?
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22:20<Mr_Giraffe>let's see...turtle beach santa cruz i believe
22:20*phillipsjk asumes it was working before and is still physically installed :)
22:20<Mr_Giraffe>well duh
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22:22<Mr_Giraffe>i'm guessing it's because i updated the kernel too
22:22<Mr_Giraffe>gsimmons, any advice?
22:23<gsimmons>!alsa firmware
22:23<dpkg>Since 'linux-2.6' 2.6.23-1, binary-only firmware was removed from the ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd_maestro3) and Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd_cs46xx) ALSA drivers. snd_maestro3: acquire firmware from the "alsa-firmware" tarball at ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/firmware/ , rmmod/modprobe the driver afterwards. snd_cs46xx: build and install an 'alsa-modules-*' package ("m-a a-i alsa"). See also #464191 and #464197 in the <BTS>.
22:23<gsimmons>Mr_Giraffe: ^^^^ I'm assuming your card uses the snd_cs46xx driver.
22:23<Mr_Giraffe>yep
22:24<Mr_Giraffe>i was gonna say that actually :P
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22:24<Mr_Giraffe>well, that doesn't look too painful, thanks
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22:39<basava>just curious, does debian get the google search revenue from iceweasel or does it still go to mozilla?
22:40<Mr_Giraffe>hah, i didn't know mozilla was profiting on that
22:40<Mr_Giraffe>makes me a fair bit less tempted to use it
22:41<Supaplex>How do I get a list of window id's can I use for xwd -id ?
22:41<cwood>I use wmctrl myself.
22:43<Supaplex>oh interesting... that'll come in handy for sticking xclock in the corner :)
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22:46<basava>yup, everytime you use the search bar
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23:22<phillipsjk>I am cosidering dropping esound. Can /dev/dsp normally do rate-conversion?
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23:24<phillipsjk>I can't use dmix, but my card reportedly can emulate and old sb on /dev/dsp1
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23:34<phillipsjk>I can'tt find any documontaino for esd.conf either: bot says~ick! /usr/local/doc/esound-common/* says 'unsupported, needs replacing', google returns magic recepies.
23:35<phillipsjk>What does it actually do?!?
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23:45<Killing_Frost>Greetings...
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23:46<Killing_Frost>Anyone know where to get mp3enc for linux (preferrably the sourcecode)?
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