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00:07<janrocks>hello knoppix and nulix
00:08<janrocks>please stay on topic
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00:08<Killing_Frost>What's the topic.
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00:11<Killing_Frost>Always wondered why this place was always so quiet. Gotta stay on topic when there's no real topic.
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01:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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01:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
01:41<teque>perdon se me fue
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02:42<thardis>hello, i need help with quake 3 sound on etch?
02:42<thardis>am i anywhere for that metter?
02:43<cwood>You can play regular sound, right?
02:43<thardis>oss Vs alsa issue i guess
02:43<avtobiff>thardis, you need alsa-oss or similar
02:43<thardis>i am not skilled enuf to fiddle with the kernel
02:43<avtobiff>thardis, or configure q3 to use alsa (if at all possible)
02:43<avtobiff>thardis, you dont need to
02:44<cwood>no, apt-get install alsa-oss
02:44<cwood>wrapper gadget
02:44<thardis>already exists
02:45<thardis>some config'ing needed
02:45<jm_>there's also an entry in ALSA wiki for quake
02:45<cwood>The wrapper is aoss... try aoss /path/to/quake3, see how it goes
02:46<thardis>aoss did not work :|
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02:48<cwood>Is the checkbox inside quake for sound turned on?
02:48<cwood>(going back to basics)
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02:49<avtobiff>thardis, have you seen this?
02:49<thardis>! lets see
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02:50<avtobiff>thardis, i found it through this site,
02:50<thardis>strange, i can hear sound but in short bursts and of very bad quality, more like tiny hiccups
02:50<cwood> <--- this link works for me
02:51<thardis>the echoing to proc method is known to hang the game so i am averse to trying it
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02:51<thardis>i will if u guys promise to help me make it work :P
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02:53<cwood>I have no idea, last played Quake ages ago.
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02:55<thardis>lotsa ppl playing these days
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02:56<thardis>can u please explain what this line does : echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
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02:57<cwood>things in /proc are interfaces to kernel settings
02:57<cwood>What it would be doing is changing the settings for the running kernel, until the next reboot
02:58<cwood>But exactly what it's doing, I have no clue.
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02:58<raymond>I am a brand new debian user and have a question about a hard drive I can't access.
02:59<dondelelcaro>raymond: best to just ask your question
03:00<raymond>1: how to I login as root instead of a simple user, and 2: is ther a global way to chang a drives permissions and ownership so that I can access that drive and all of it's contents when running in user mode.
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03:01<dondelelcaro>raymond: you don't need to log in as root; just log in as your user and su to root.
03:01<dondelelcaro>raymond: the secord part depends on what filesystem this is
03:01<raymond>it's an sata hd
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03:04<cwood>That's the type of hardware... but what's it formatted as? NTFS, FAT32, EXT3, or what?
03:05<raymond>it says it is owned by root.
03:05<raymond>oh sorry. ntfs
03:05<raymond>it's a second drive.
03:06<raymond>has all my winblows files on it.
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03:06<cwood>Now files are automatically mounted by being listed in /etc/fstab, or mounted by hand. You can read 'man fstab' and 'man mount' to see different methods.
03:07<cwood>Note that unless something is listed with a particular flag in /etc/fstab, only root can mount it.
03:07<cwood>But as mentioned, you can use su (or sudo) to gain root privileges to do that operation, then return to your regular user when done.
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03:08<raymond>I managed to log in once as the root and was able to read the drive once, but all of the files in the drive had to be changed one at a time to allow me to look at them in user mode
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03:09<cwood>what do you mean, "changed"?
03:09<raymond>do I simple open a terminal and type su root?
03:09<cwood>just typing su will do
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03:09<cwood>You can read 'man su' for why.
03:10<raymond>I had to set the ownership of each file individually to gain access to it in regular user mode.
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03:10<cwood>By access, you mean being able to read/open it?
03:11<cwood>Hm. Sounds like file permissions (set via chmod) were 700, for whatever reason.
03:11<cwood>Is it mounted right now?
03:11<raymond>no, it wont mount
03:12<cwood>If not, try: mkdir /tmp/ntfs; mount -t ntfs /dev/sdN /tmp/ntfs
03:12<cwood>where /dev/sdN is whatever your drive is.
03:12<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
03:13<cwood>Oh, and yes... -o ro might be useful, I've heard that ntfs write support still isn't as shiny as it could be.
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03:16<raymond>ok I did the first part and got this error message now which it differant from what it was saying. Error: mount point /tmp/ntfs is not below /media/
03:18<cwood>Hm. Which drive are you trying to mount? Maybe fdisk -l to see.
03:19<cwood> <--- aha, that error message
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03:19<raymond>You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "ntfs".
03:19<raymond>it's listed as sda1
03:20<cwood>Where does the "you do not have the permissions" error message come from?
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03:20<raymond>after I inputed the message. it mounted it. opened a window, and gave that error.
03:21<cwood>Hm. So in the terminal, you still have a root session. If you do ls /tmp/ntfs, do you see a file list?
03:22<raymond>yes I do.
03:22<cwood>Okay. Now, when you type ls -ld /tmp/ntfs -- what are the permissions?
03:23<raymond>owner, group and others can read, but that didn't show up in the terminal.
03:24<cwood>If it's a directory, they have to be able to execute it.
03:24<raymond>that was from right clicking and looking at the permissions
03:24<cwood>you need +rx permissions to be able to change into a directory.
03:25<raymond>ok, what is that.
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03:26<cwood>r read w write x execute
03:26<cwood>So if you directory reads like this... dr--r--r-- ... then you won't be able to see what's in it
03:26<cwood>That is, a regular user might not. Root has its own rules.
03:27<raymond>I just need to figure out how to learn them and make them mine.
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03:27<cwood>a quick fix will be chmod +rwx /tmp/ntfs
03:27<cwood>That may at least let you read your files...
03:28<jm_>see above to learn how to do it
03:28<raymond>ok, I typed it in, but still can't view it.
03:29<raymond>is there a way to change who ownes it?
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03:29<jm_>make sure to use the right gid
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03:29<cwood>Viewing your directory doesn't have much to do with ownership, it's more about file permissions.
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03:30<raymond>I am unsure of what gid is.
03:30<jm_>uhm group id, type 'id'
03:30<raymond>I am only a few days into linux
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03:30<jm_>!tell raymond -about grounding
03:32<kop>If I want to plug a bunch of RS-232 serial devices into a single computer, I'm thinking that I can use RS-232 to USB converter cables and a USB hub and then "just" access the different serial devices over USB via some sort of pty. How would I do the "just" part?
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03:33<jm_>ttyUSB* devices
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03:34<kop>jm_ : Thanks much. Know where I can RTFM?
03:34<kop>jm_ : (etch, preferably.)
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03:35<jm_>kop: well just plug it in, check dmesg and /proc/devices, see if files show up in /dev and that should be it I guess
03:35<kop>jm_ : Cool. Thanks. (I also just found Documentation/usb/usb-serial.txt in the kernel tree.)
03:37<jm_>kop: ahh yes of course, forgot about it
03:38<thardis>so i shud know that this statement: echo "et.x86 0 0 disable" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss changes the settigns on a running kernel?
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03:39<thardis>anyone please answer?
03:39<cwood>that's my take on what it does...
03:39<Snuffpig>what was your question?
03:39<thardis>i am echoing into /proc
03:40<thardis>echo "et.x86 0 0 disable" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
03:40<thardis>a quake3 related issue
03:40<thardis>and an irritating one
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03:41<acp>hi I just install php4 in debian etch4,Im trying to set up "lamp" bytheway I use apt-get to install php4 . I add LoadModule php4_module modules/ in the httpd.conf but when I try to restart apache its giving me an error that .so file is not foud I tryied to whereis it did not find anything. what did i miss? thnx!
03:41<cwood>use find, read 'man find'
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03:43<acp>cwood: found its using find thanks
03:43<Snuffpig>does anyone know when xorg 7.3 might make it into testing?
03:45<jm_>acp: are you using apache2?
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03:53<acp>jm: yes
03:53<jm_>acp: try a2enmod
03:54<acp>here is where the file is located /usr/lib/apache2/modules/
03:54<acp>is this the correct path?
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03:55<cwood>If that's where the file is, then that's the correct path for the config file.
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03:55<acp>so I place in my httpd.conf "/usr/lib/apache2/modules/" but still same error when restarting
03:56<chealer>acp: if you don't mind, any reason for using php4 rather than php5?
03:56<cwood>Could you paste in the precise error?
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03:57<acp>Cannot load /etc/apache/apache2/modules/ into server: /etc/apache/apache2/modules/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory /usr/sbin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started
03:57<acp>chealer: just trying to learn lamp by my self
03:57<cwood>there, it's trying to load /etc/apache/apache2/modules/ ... so find out why, and what could be naming that file instead of /usr/lib/apache2/modules/
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04:02<acp>k, I think some thing wrong with my apache some files are missing, I will try to reinstall it again. thanks for the help
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04:02<cwood>Not installing via apt? That doesn't sound like a stock Debian config.
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04:04<acp>cwood: thats what Im planning to do, do you think its better to complie it?
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04:05<cwood>No, I'd install what Debian provides. I don't understand why your install would be producing that error message in Debian, though.
04:05<jm_>did you try a2enmod?
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04:09<petros>alo ppl. any greek room for ubuntu?
04:09<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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04:10<acp>jm_:Which module would you like to enable? Your choices are: bt Module name?
04:10<jm_>acp: well I suggest you enable php :)
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04:11<Alterman>is there a way to force debian into starting the installer off of the CD without having to press ENTER @ boot?
04:11<acp>jm_:i'll just enter php?
04:11<jm_>acp: try it
04:11<acp>This module does not exist!
04:11<jm_>then try php4
04:11<sep>acp, you should not modify the config manually as you did. i suspec you installed php the cli tool try to install the libapache2-mod-php4 package instead
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04:12<cwood>Um, why not modify your own apache configs manually? Great learning experience when you do.
04:12<sep>acp, but first remove the line you added in httpd.conf
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04:13<sep>cwood, becouse many packages add their own configuration when you install them, or use the apache a2 scripts
04:13<sep>cwood, so just installing the proper package would fix most of his issues
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04:14<jm_>acp: what exactly did you install? see what sep told you
04:14<cwood>Good point. Still, isn't php4 a matter of addmodule, loadmodule?
04:14<cwood>(and add file type handler)
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04:14<jm_>Alterman: if you rebuild/modify the iso
04:15<jm_>cwood: Debian packages do that themselves
04:15<Alterman>how can i modify it?
04:15<sep>cwood, yes, and the apache module package does that by dropping .conf and .load files into mods-available.
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04:16<sep>so whatever you do in a httpd.conf file will at the lease make a mess, but at the worst conflict.
04:16<acp>Im doing what sep suggested keep you posted inawhile
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04:16<cwood>Aha. Last time I messed in a big way was with apache1.3, none of this subdir thing.
04:16<sep>yes new in apache2
04:17<Alterman>debian is supposed to be easy to install on intel macs
04:17<jm_>apache 1.3 uses /etc/apache/conf.d for that
04:17<jm_>not as easy to enable/disable stuff though
04:18<sep>yeah the new apache2 config is plain sexy !
04:18<jm_>I am still using apache 1.3 ;)
04:18<jm_>and exim3
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04:22<Alterman>jm_ do you know of any guides on how to modify the iso to start the installer auto?
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04:24<jm_>Alterman: you can't, you need to rebuild it - d-i web page (wiki) should have some pointers, hexedit will be the easiest
04:25<Alterman>i guess i'll have to settle for Fedora
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04:25<jm_>it's just a matter of extracting it, editing the file and running mkisofs agai,, it's trivial
04:26<jm_>but your choice
04:26<Alterman>what file do i have to edit?
04:27<Alterman>can't i do this in notepad?
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04:27<jm_>you can if you have followed the above steps
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04:31<acp>I guess I mess up apache, I will just reintall it, thanks for your help.I'll read more docs.thanks again for your patience.
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04:44<padski>I want to tcpdump but only see the packets that include a specific sequence of bytes
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04:51<bcochofel>Hi, does anybody here has funambol installed on etch?
04:51<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
04:52<bcochofel>I have installed funambol on etch, no error on logs, but I can't access localhost:8080
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04:52<jm_>is it listening?
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04:58<xxx>how can i install winamp to linux ubuntu
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05:01<dpkg>somebody said xmms was the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see For alternatives, look at xmms2, rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see for removal reasons
05:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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05:08<bcochofel>jm_: netstat only gives me port 9001 (java app) and when I try to connect there I get a java exception
05:08<bcochofel>but nothing on the logs
05:08<jm_>bcochofel: so it's not listening then
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05:09<bcochofel>jm_: documentation doesn't give me any more troubleshoot
05:11<bcochofel>jm_: Do you have funambol installed, or know where can I find more docs about installing on etch?
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05:12<jm_>bcochofel: nope I don't -- it's a java app so it's painful to debug
05:12<bcochofel>jm_: yep, I don't know much about java
05:13<padski>bcochofel, looks like cool stuff :-)
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05:46<Slydder>anyone here ever get setlocale and gettext in php to work on a debian box?
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05:47<themill>Slydder: yes. But it's a royal PITA.
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05:47<Slydder>am finding that out atm
05:48<themill>Slydder: it's one of PHP's real weak points, imo
05:49<Slydder>defo. am getting setlocale to work but no matter what I do gettext("text") does not get translated
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05:50<themill>Slydder: setlocale only works if the locale has actually been installed on the machine. And istr it needs to be the exact locale.
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05:50<themill>fwiw, I use the phpgettext emulation layer as a fallback if setlocale fails.
05:50<Slydder>i know. that much works
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05:54<themill>Slydder: what strings have you tried passing to setlocale -- and are you testing setlocale's return value?
05:55<Slydder>themill: $domain="ossim";
05:55<Slydder> bindtextdomain($domain, $locale_dir."/".$lang[0]);
05:55<Slydder> textdomain($domain);
05:55<Slydder>even without the ."/".$lang[0] (which holds "de") it doesn't work
05:56<themill>bindtextdomain shouldn't have the language appended. de_DE works for me here last time I tested it (which was under etch but some time ago)
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05:57<Slydder>like I said. even without the language on the end it doesn't work
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05:57<Slydder>nothing works
05:58<themill>Slydder: have you used de_DE for the call to setlocale? What is the return value from setlocale?
05:58<Slydder>lc_all, lc_messages, language and lang are all set to de_DE.UTF-8 (which works fine from the command line in lenny/etch for me).
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06:00<Slydder>actually i did a if statement that tried de, de_DE, de_DE.iso88591, de_DE@euro, de_DE.UTF8 and de_DE.UTF-8. the last 2 are the only to that do not return false.
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06:00<themill>Slydder: Don't mix the env variables method and the explicit call method. I found the env method to be quite unreliable. I just call setlocale(LC_MESSAGES, 'de_DE');
06:00<themill>Slydder: OK... that's a good start. Not returning false is good :)
06:00<weasel>why doesn't everyone just install locales-all
06:00<weasel>it's so much easier and unless you are on an embedded device there is little reason not to
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06:01<themill>weasel: Indeed. Especially on shared hosts where this sort of php code ends up. But that doesn't help you beat php's gettext crap into shape.
06:01<Slydder>so. i started with just the if statements and the setlocale() for lc_all and lc_messages. didn't work so I started playin with the env variables. still no go.
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06:05<Slydder>also. from what I have read the priority for gettext is on LANGUAGE so if putenv("LANGUAGE=".$language); doesn't get the job done then what will?
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06:07<themill>Slydder: If setlocale returns something other than false, then it has decided that it can handle that locale. gettext calls *should* then work, unless it can't find the message catalogue.
06:07<Slydder>and explicitly setting all lc_all, lc_messages, lang and language also has no effect
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06:18<salvin>hi noflash
06:18<salvin>noflash, try this:
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06:20<cortana>can anyone help me work out why 'getent hosts durandal' is really slow even though durandal is listed in /etc/hosts?
06:20<cortana>it seems to be talking to my DNS server even though 'files' is before' hosts' in nsswitch.conf
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06:30<keith>Debian4.0.WinFast A280LE. AMD64. I want to install this driver. Do I just install the suitable NVIDIA packages. Or is there other stuff I have to do first? Any help?
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06:32<jm_>cortana: strace it and find out
06:32<cortana>well strace only revealse that it is asking my dns server
06:32<jm_>keith: which driver?
06:32<jm_>look in your nsswitch.conf
06:32<cortana>hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
06:33<cortana>so i don't see why it doesn't find durandal in /etc/hosts :(
06:33<jm_>verify its entry again - strace should also show it reading that line
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06:34<keith>jm_: The Winfast A280LE Leadtek
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06:37<cortana>WTF, it's not opening /etc/hosts
06:39<jm_>keith: what is that?
06:39<jm_>keith: ti4200 based card?
06:40<jm_>is it opening nsswitch.conf?
06:40<cortana>no wait, it is -- and it's reading it
06:40<cortana>hold on i'll put the output online
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06:42<jm_>you need to use -s 512
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06:51<jm_>why is it not showing details for socket?
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06:52<jm_>did you check host.conf file?
06:52<jm_>ahh it only has multi on
06:54<jm_>that output makes no sense to me
06:54<cortana>same here
06:54<cortana>yeah nor me!
06:55<jm_>ahh I remember!
06:56<jm_>getent does that, you need to use something like perl -e 'gethostbyname("foo");'
06:58<themill>isn't getent just a wrapper around the C functions? (as is perl?) I thought the point of getent was to do it the same way a program would rather than using nslookup or similar.
06:58<cortana>the reason i ask this is because exim is taking a bloody long time to do anything, and strace revealed that it was trying to resolve 'durandal', that being the system hostname
06:59<jm_>it isn't, it does more
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07:01<jm_>or actually it is, it only calls gethostbyname2
07:01<cortana>hm yes
07:01<cortana>perl returns instantly
07:01<jm_>which is doing the rest
07:01<cortana>gethostbyname2 eh
07:01<cortana>what is that i wonder
07:01<jm_>yeah ltrace it to confirm
07:02<cortana>line 38
07:02<cortana>it is calling gethostbyname2
07:02<jm_>allows you to specify address family
07:02<jm_>right it's there
07:03<themill>cortana: I know that this is a fix not a solution, but perhaps a local caching nameserver like pdnsd could help you here.
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07:04<cortana>though that looks like a useful package :D
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07:08<iobound>hi, does anyone know if DSA-1545-1 will be released for ARM?
07:08<jm_>cortana: or even nscd - but what is exim calling then?
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07:18<cortana>exim calls gethostbyname2 as well
07:18<jm_>makes sense
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07:37<andreyv>i want the selected text in console (or even any window) to be copied in buffer, how to do it?
07:37<jm_>screen or gpm
07:37<dpkg>methinks pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste
07:38<petemc>only some of that is relevant
07:39<petemc>in case that wasnt obvious
07:39<andreyv>well i'll try to describe
07:39<andreyv>bash console in a window ye..
07:40<andreyv>i select text
07:40<andreyv>and it is copied so i can use shift + ins or ctrl + v to paste it
07:40<andreyv>i forgot how to configure this
07:40<jm_>that's the default
07:41<andreyv>i installed today but it doesn't work ((
07:42<andreyv>in xchat it works, but not in console (bash)
07:42<jm_>might depend on your terminal
07:42<andreyv>Konsole - Terminal Program
07:43<jm_>try it in xterm
07:43<andreyv>in iceweasel also doesn't work ((
07:44<cortana>mozilla does sick and wrong things with X selections
07:44<mhash>highlight the text, middle click to paste -- seems to work everywhere for me
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07:45<jm_>mhash: he wants to paste with keyboard
07:45<petemc>screen is the easiest way, ime
07:46<phogg>that's wrong. The selection buffer should never hit the clipboard
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07:46<andreyv>hang up ((
07:46<phogg>not without an explicit copy command
07:46<andreyv>repeat please, i hang up
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07:46<mhash>ah -- alright
07:48<phogg>andreyv: the clipboard and the selection are two different things. Highlighted text has not been copied, so it can't be pasted from the clipboard
07:48<jm_>uhm it works just fine for me
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07:49<andreyv><phogg> but it's possible to configure my box so selected text is "auto sent" to clipboard? isnt it?
07:49<andreyv><phogg> like here in Xchat
07:50<phogg>andreyv: anything is possible, but I don't know how to do that globally. ANd, anyway, it's a bad idea. WHy reintroduce a bug people have been working for years to fix?
07:50<cortana>andreyv, that';s beecause xchat does Wrong Thing
07:50<jm_>andreyv: man xcutsel
07:50<cortana>it's not supposed to send selected text to CLIPBOARD ... only to SELECTION
07:50<andreyv><phogg> oh.. that's a bug!? i always thought it's a good feature ))
07:50<themill>which is insanely confusing for new users
07:51<cortana>normally if you selected text it goes to SELECTION... which you can paste by middle clicking
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07:51<phogg>andreyv: if the selection replaces the clipboard you can never highlight and paste-over, you can easily lose your clipboard data accidentally, etc.
07:51<andreyv>so ctrl + c -> ctrl + v :(
07:51<cortana>if you explicitly Copy selected text then it goes to CLIPBOARD, which you can access by Pasting
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07:52<cortana>there's a faily decent explanation of this mess on the web somewhere
07:52<phogg>cortana: calling the operation that outputs SELECTION paste is dangerous as it causes confusion
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07:52<phogg>the explanation is on fd.o
07:52<cortana>phogg, fair enough, i don't know another name for it
07:52<andreyv>well ok, thaks... i understood but for me it was convinient
07:53<phogg>cortana: likewise, so I just try not to say paste
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07:56<themill>phogg, cortana: s/paste/insert/ perhaps?
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09:00<jm_>tingle: from source?
09:01<tingle>jm_: from source means downloading the package from the official fluxbox website en compile it?
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09:05<jm_>tingle: yes
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09:27<tingle>whats a good alternative browser for firefox?
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09:29<A-D-A-N-A-L-I[uA]>türk varmý
09:30<dpkg>i heard turk is
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09:34<madgorilla>tingle, an alternative browser *for* firefox or *to* firefox?
09:34<tingle>madgorilla: to
09:34<madgorilla>tingle, what distro?
09:34<tingle>madgorilla: my english grammar issnt to good im sorry
09:34*tingle looks at channel name
09:35<tingle>debian etch
09:35<madgorilla>tingle, if Debian, look in the repos for others there are several (yes I know this is #Debian but that doesn't always mean its a debian user inside)
09:35<madgorilla>tingle, epiphany is one example
09:37<tingle>good ill look arround thanks
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09:37<faze>What's the NTFS driver with writing supported called?
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09:41<tingle>ntfs-3g iirc
09:41<faze>Thanks, but what package is it provided in?
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09:43<dpkg>i heard ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also and
09:43<tingle>maybe this will help faze
09:43<faze>Thanks alot ^^
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09:46<tingle>faze: np
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09:49<tingle>can i find out wich xserver-xorg-video-* packages are installed on my system?
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10:27<thardis>hello, i'm trying to have power managemtn on a toshiba laptop, like auto brightness control, am running etch with recent kernel, any help please?
10:28<thardis>right now the lappy runs on full power imo and loses battery very fast
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10:29<thardis>help, knowledgeable ones :)
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10:29<thardis>help with laptop power management
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10:31<cortana>thardis, one for #debian-user perhaps
10:31<cortana>i have a smilar issue with lenny and a samsung Q435
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10:32<tingle>i just did a minimal debian etch install but now xserver doesnt start because i cant open default font 'fixed'
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10:33<tingle>any suggestions?
10:33<dpkg>fonts is, like, check for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or and or, or, or
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10:35<dpkg>i heard fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg"
10:36<Zathras>hi. I have 2 Debian Etch machines. When I ssh -X from machine1 to machine2 and then start mozilla/iceape on machine2 I get the siplay on machine1 as it should. But browsing takes place from machine1 and not machine2 ! This is wierd. I have used this setup elsewhere and it behaves as expected.
10:36<cortana>Zathras, mozilla on the remote is talking to the local one and telling it to open a new window?
10:36<Zathras>sounds like it
10:36<Zathras>but it should not
10:37<Zathras>is there a config issue somewhere?
10:37<cortana>i find mozilla does a lot of stuff it shouldn't :D
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10:51<Supaplex>cortana: that's by design. it uses x11 to communicate to the running instance. I think the man page covers how to workaround that behaivor
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11:03<cortana>are there any programs that will show the current xsettings?
11:03<cortana>as in
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11:11<Dark|Walker>hmm, whats new on 4.0r3??
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11:25<kames4dz>it is my first
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11:28<Jtb2>I've got trouble configuring IPv6 with multiple addresses over /etc/network/interfaces. Is there a guide anywhere which I didn't found?
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11:29<thardis>hello, how can i bring compiz-fusion to the "sessions" option in GDM before login?
11:30<thardis>trying to get compiz-fusion to work
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11:32<muep>thardis: in most linux distributions, you don't do it like that
11:33<muep>the usual way is just to enable compiz once logged in to the desktop environment you usually use
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11:43<valdyn>thardis: using gnome?
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11:47<Hoaxbe>is there a way to install debian on a laptop with a dead screen?
11:48<SlayerXP>Hoaxbe: serial install
11:49<Zathras>or hope that in BIOS external display is enabled..... and then add a vga monitor
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11:49<Hoaxbe>so no way to have sshd running on the netinst?
11:50<cortana>anna-install openssh-server-udeb
11:50<witte>Hoaxbe: maybe with preseeding
11:50<cortana>however you have to start the server by picking it from the installation menu
11:50<witte>Hoaxbe: or take the hd out
11:50<cortana>preseeding could help
11:50<dpkg>methinks preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or, or
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11:51<etch_>hello, can anyone explain clearly when and when not to use the root
11:51<etch_>the difference between sudo and su?
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11:52<Hoaxbe>allright. Thanks for all the replies. This wil surely get me on track. I didn't know where to start
11:52<witte>etch_: sudo is "do this program as root" and su is for becoming root
11:52<muep>etch_: it doesn't matter for the program you run
11:52<SlayerXP>witte: i get root via "sudo su -"
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11:53<etch_>i have read that some programs dont behave proper when run as root..why so?
11:53<muep>etch_: then you shouldn't probably run them with sudo, either
11:53<muep>etch_: some programs just shouldn't be run as root because it's not necessary to do so
11:53<muep>like a web browser
11:54<witte>SlayerXP: well, yes, i also sometimes use that trick
11:54<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
11:54<etch_>so there is no difference in running sudo apt-get or #apt-get?
11:54<muep>etch_: that's right
11:54<etch_>kewl mule!
11:54<witte>etch_: not really, i use sudo practically always, and su if i need to do a lot of stuff as root
11:54<muep>except that one asks for the root passwd, the other is more configurable
11:55<muep>witte: I always do it either or... I mean that if I enable sudo, I will run sudo passwd -l root in order to prevent root logins
11:55<tingle>im trying to install opera on debian etch but i get a keyserver timeout when i try to install the repository GPG key (i got this key from any suggestions?
11:56<etch_>also, once i use sudo and enter the password, the same command doesnt ask for password when i sudo again..why?
11:56<petemc>its caached
11:56<muep>because I can just run sudo -s if I want the effect of su
11:56<etch_>can i prevent this?
11:56<petemc>etch_: you can change the timeout value
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11:56<etch_>timeout for cache cleaning?
11:56<muep>etch_: run visudo as root
11:56<witte>etch_: btw, su is not "become superuser/root" but change users, which defaults to root (you can also "su etch_")
11:57<etch_>hoho thnx for tht one ;)
11:57<etch_>witte: thnx
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11:58<fxiny>tingle: why not just #dpg -i opera_9.27-20080331.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb ?
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11:58<witte>muep: ah, maybe that is more secure than what i do (but my systems are not that critical :-))
11:59<etch_>is there a way to upgrade a particular package thru apt-get e.g, Xorg?
11:59<witte>tingle: fxiny meant dpkg -i instead of dpg -i...
11:59<tingle>fxiny: because installing it whit apt from the sourceslist is a much more cleaner way if installing it
11:59<tingle>and how would i remove it when im done whit it?
12:00<fxiny>witte: yes . i'm still busy with wmii ;)
12:00<muep>tingle: you can remove software installed from a local .deb
12:00<fxiny>tingle: cleaner ? it can't be . opera is not an official deb
12:00<muep>tingle: it's the same thing except that you don't add the repository
12:00<etch_>is there a way to upgrade a particular package thru apt-get e.g, Xorg?
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12:01<tingle>muep: so apt-get remove should work after installing it whit dpkg -i?
12:01<muep>tingle: yes
12:01<muep>etch_: apt-get install
12:01<tingle>muep: ok ill give it a go thanks
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12:01<muep>etch_: I think it upgrades a package to a new version if there is one available
12:01<witte>fxiny: good luck in that case, just googled for it, and it seems "interesting" :-)
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12:03<fxiny>witte: inetersting ? i'm runing it since wednesday : i am totally relaxed :)
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12:04<fxiny>witte: wmii (ion and friends) makes fluxbox looking like windoze :P
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12:05<witte>fxiny: well, it looks nice, but I will stay with windowmaker for now ;-)
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12:09<nuewb>witte: are they still developing window maker ? :)
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12:10<witte>nuewb: i don't know
12:10<witte>nuewb: it is virtually perfect, don't know if there is still a need to develop it :P
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12:10<nuewb>witte: hehe
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12:11<nuewb>windowmaker has been there for ages
12:11<nuewb>i think that was the first window manager I used :)
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12:12<oukki>hola amigos
12:13<oukki>primero que todo saludos para todos
12:13<oukki>bueno a lo mio
12:13<oukki>necesito un poco de ayuda con proftp
12:13<nuewb>hey something :-)
12:13<oukki>hablan español?
12:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:20<fxiny>witte: ratpoison is pure fun . tiled window managers are the most efficient , clever , relaxing way to use a desktop
12:21<fxiny>gnome and kde are too old
12:21<witte>fxiny: for me it just needs to be clean, without moving stuff etc
12:22<fxiny>witte: i don't move anything : i put things where i want and i go there with my keyboard in a split second
12:22<fxiny>no clicks no stress
12:22<fxiny>witte: stacked maximized or floating , the way things should be
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12:23<witte>fxiny: I just alt-tab between windows, and with 2 19" tfts, there is ample room to put things next to each other
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12:25<oukki>amigos alguien ha usado proftpd_admin????'
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12:25<fxiny>witte: i can do almost everything with just one hand
12:25<witte>!tell oukki about es
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12:25<witte>fxiny: I usually have two hands available when using my computer :P
12:26<avu>and in situations where you only have one hand, you only need the maximized video player windows anyway
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12:27<witte>avu: :-)
12:27<fxiny>gard to explain . you should try to see . wmii or ion makes you feeling you are doing nothing . a very strange feeling
12:28<witte>fxiny: I will try it once I have a bit more time (probably not today), i will put it on my todo list
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12:29<SeLEct>hello guys
12:29<SeLEct>i didnt want Xorg anymore so i removed it with apt-get, apt-get remove xorg (probebly a bad mistake) everything went fine but after restart i still get the gnu part of debian and i can login without anyproblems to the gnu interface, my question is, how do i remove ALL of it?
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12:29<SeLEct>i found a package named libcario2 but im not sure if i should delete that one
12:30<SeLEct>cuzz it deleted about 40+ other packages that is totalt of 550mb
12:31<SeLEct>deletes even
12:32<fxiny>witte: emacs on top of iceweasel , same tag/virtual desktop . mod -d back to stack mod = hor splitted windows . vim mod -j/k move them two windows up down . we know already vim . i paste into emacswhat i want . mod -s or -m back to stack/maximized mod .
12:32<cahoot>SeLEct: don't know if anything like the this will work after your intervention, but you could look at the info given by /msg dpkg remove X
12:32<fxiny>no clicks no stress
12:33<fxiny>mouse is good only for copy/paste
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12:33<SeLEct>fxiny thx for your tip
12:34<etch_>how to go about with the .asc file?
12:34<witte>I believe you, but i will have to test it myself, but first I need food ;-)
12:34<fxiny>SeLEct: ^^^ cahot :)
12:35<etch_>hello, how can i import a key which i have as a .asc file?
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12:35<etch_>for apt-get repos
12:36<etch_>hello, please help explain how to import key for debian unofficial repos
12:37<panthera>man apt-key
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12:40<etch_>even though i have added the key using apt-key for debian unoff. repos, apt-get update is showing "no public key available"
12:40<SeLEct>fxiny it suggested aptitude remove x11-common but that didint work
12:41<SeLEct>should i try apt-get remove x11-common?
12:41<SeLEct>but that will uninstall very much stuff around 871 mb
12:41<fxiny>SeLEct: cahoot was helping you :)
12:41<SeLEct>ahh :D
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12:41<SeLEct>so cahoot? :P
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12:42<cahoot>SeLEct: I hide behind dpkg's advice
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12:43<SeLEct>feels like i can f'' up some real things if i do it this way :P
12:44<SeLEct>worked well now :D
12:44<SeLEct>did as dpkg suggested :D
12:44<SeLEct>i like that dpkg bot :p
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12:47<SeLEct>hmm gdm still runs
12:47<SeLEct>but not x
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12:50<guy>join #debian
12:50<Supaplex>did you mean #xandros?
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12:51<guy>can anyone explain to me how to download specific package versions that contain tilde (~) with aptitude??
12:51<weasel>what's wrong with apt-get install foo=1.2.3?
12:52<guy>for one I only want to download the package, not install it
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12:53<guy>and since I want to specify the destination dir I'm using aptitude
12:53<fxiny>-d install <package>
12:53<Supaplex> -d Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives
12:53<guy>but it's not downloading packages that have a tilda in the version number
12:53<Supaplex>what happens when you specify the tilde?
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12:54<guy>just displays a few lines of useless info, then ends
12:54<weasel>and what would those lines be?
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12:55<teque>como estan
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12:55<guy>Building dependency tree... Done | Reading extended state information | Initializing package states... Done | Reading task descriptions... Done | Building tag database... Done
12:56<guy>but it's not getting anything
12:56<Supaplex>guy: show us the full transcript including invocation and sources.list at
12:56<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:56<guy>plz define transcript
12:57<Supaplex>man script
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12:57<guy>ok, give me a minute here
12:57<LaptopBrain>hi, i'm trying to find out if a certain fc-al adaptor is supported by the kernel in debian on sparc64, anyone here that can help me with this? #debian-sparc seems idle
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13:00<tq|Memphis>anyone know joombla packages i need to download
13:01<Supaplex>LaptopBrain: what bus does it use? does it show up in lspci -nn ?
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13:06<Deepy>Is there any way to repeat the message?
13:06<Deepy>the last logon one
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13:06<Deepy>When I login through SSH
13:06<Supaplex>like last?
13:06<Deepy>precisely, thanks :)
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13:07<Deepy>Though they're like cutoff
13:07<Deepy>deepy pts/17 abused.armchairs Wed Apr 9 14:32 - 17:12 (02:40)
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13:10<Supaplex>there's only so much room for the hostname.
13:10<Deepy>my terminal is 4 times wider than the output
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13:12<amphi>Deepy: does 'COLUMNS=200 last' make any difference ?
13:12<Supaplex>man wtmp says ut_host is UT_HOSTSIZE long, which should be 256 bytes. in practice I've only seen it provide about 10-16 bytes
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13:12<Deepy>yes, a bash error :p
13:12<Deepy>-bash: COLUMNS=200 last: command not found
13:13<Deepy>taking them line by line made no difference
13:13<Supaplex>supaplex@li:~$ COLUMNS=200 last -2
13:13<Supaplex>supaplex pts/15 Wed Apr 9 20:07 gone - no logout
13:13<amphi>Deepy: wtf?
13:14<fxiny>SeLEct: are you running archlinux ?
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13:14<Deepy>oh uh... well 'COLUMNS=200 last' (without 's) didn't make any difference either
13:15<fxiny>SeLEct: that link you send me is for archlinux . wrong chan i presume :P
13:15<SeLEct>ahhaa fxiny no wrong dist ahahaha
13:15<karina>help me please, how can I see the packages installed?
13:16<SeLEct>fxiny do u know any guides for the thing im needing?
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13:16<Supaplex>karina: dpkg -l
13:16<SeLEct>for debian
13:16<Supaplex>Deepy: set | grep ^BASH_V
13:16<karina>in ubuntu?
13:16<Supaplex>karina: /topic
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13:18<fxiny>SeLEct: i am happy with debian way of doing things . i know blowfish , iirc is a Schneider thing . dunno whay you want to use it
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13:18<amphi>COLUMNS=200 last works here in bash (same version), unsurprisingly
13:18<Supaplex>Deepy: your env is a little screwey or something. you should be able to prefix last with COLUMNS=200 last .... no idea why you're is special.
13:18<Deepy>Well I literally wrote 'COLUMNS=200 last'
13:18<Supaplex>with 's too?
13:18<Deepy>Yes :p
13:19<Deepy>and without them nothing special happened
13:19<Supaplex>then it sounds as though your ut_host fields from wtmp don't have enough bytes to store the entire hostname.
13:19<tq|Memphis>hi Supaplex
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13:20<SeLEct>fxiny isint the blowfish method more secure then the metod debian uses currently? (just asking)
13:20<fxiny>i don't think so
13:20<LaptopBrain>Supaplex: its a pci bus
13:20<Deepy>anything I can do for that :p?
13:21<LaptopBrain>and i dont have it yet Supaplex
13:21<LaptopBrain>thats why im trying to find out compatibility
13:22<LaptopBrain>it looks like it may be supported by the qlogic driver
13:22<LaptopBrain>cant be sure though
13:22<fxiny>SeLEct: i think you are wasting your time . walking that path
13:22<fxiny>i think so
13:23<SeLEct>fxiny im just bored ahhahaa wanna twink it abit :p
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13:24*LaptopBrain just spent half an hour trying to get the #solaris people to see if any of them knew what its model number was, no such luck.
13:24<fxiny>SeLEct: i associate speed to blowfish not security
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13:25<karina>alguen habla español
13:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:27<ajr>Hello. I am upgrading from Etch to Lenny. Aptitude dist-upgrade wanted to keep some packages on old version (for example, bash). apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades them also. Should I fix something before upgrade?
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13:33<ajr>Another question about upgrading (from Etch to Lenny): can I keep programs running when upgrading, or should I quit them?
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13:36<dotCOMmie>Its been a while since i've built nvidia module from debian sources. As far as I remember things used to just work. Now I'm getting "Modules not configured, so not making modules_image" when I run "make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --revision=01test modules_image"
13:36<Tib>I've got a system that doesn't use /etc/shadow (encrypted passwords are put straight into /etc/passwd) - can I (and how do I if yes) reconfigure it to use /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow instead?
13:36<dotCOMmie>the module has been unpacked in /usr/src
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13:42<Satuw>hi hi
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13:43<Satuw>I'm wondering something about apache2/php4 security. i've installed suphp; but im looking for a way to lock users in their home directory. I'm still able to browse the whole structure of the server and view files (such as /etc/passwd etc)
13:44<Satuw>is there anything to prevent this?
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13:44<fxiny>Tib: dpkg-reconfigure passwd
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13:45<Tib>fxiny: thanks. will give it a try
13:45<fxiny>Tib: np
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14:05<dotCOMmie>silly me. I forgot to enable module support in linux
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14:18<lucas_amorim>Hello, every time I boot my lenny system it gets from the router either IP or How do I tell the system to ask always for the same IP?
14:19<Deepy>static instead of dhcp
14:19<lucas_amorim>where do i set this up?
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14:20<lucas_amorim>can you tell me which configuration file I should edit and how would i do this?
14:21<ccube>you have to configurate the router
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14:21<ccube>then you always get the same ip
14:21<avtobiff>lucas_amorim, setup your dhcp to give the same ip to the same MAC address
14:21<Deepy>or tell your interface to use static
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14:21<lucas_amorim>ccube: I remember I once configured this within my system, without having to configure the router
14:22<lucas_amorim>yes, how do I tell the interface to use static?
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14:22<Deepy>see interfaces(5)
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14:23<zarchne>Argh, why isn't /etc/apt/trusted.gpg a valid trustdb (i.e., valid arg like "gpg --trustdb-name trusted.gpg")?
14:24<weasel>because it's not a trustdb
14:24<weasel>it's a keyring
14:24<zarchne>Alternatively, how do I get apt-key to export the keys it trusts?
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14:26<thardis>hello, need help setting the hwclock
14:26<thardis>i get: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
14:26<zarchne>weasel: thanks.
14:26<thardis>hello, need help setting the hwclock
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14:29<cahoot>thardis: might try a hack - add --directisa as option
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14:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:35<lucas_amorim>this is my current config: and it is working, but ip is not static
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14:37<lucas_amorim>hw should I edit it in order to get static ip adress? I have tried inserting static instead of dhcp and specifying the address as the manual states, but it did not work
14:37<Deepy>see interfaces(5)
14:38<lucas_amorim>thats what i am talking about, I follwed the man page
14:38<thardis>hello, need help setting the hwclock
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14:38<thardis>i got his on doing hwclock -w which is systohc
14:38<thardis>select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
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14:39<chealer>!tell lucas_amorim about doesn't work
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14:41<lucas_amorim>chealer: this is the file after i edited:
14:41<Deepy>lucas_amorim, you could do a ifup ifdown
14:42<chealer>lucas_amorim: you want static configuration, not DHCP
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14:42<lucas_amorim>after that I restarted the network using the applet in gnome desktop (maybe thats where I am making a mistake) and then I got disconnected
14:43<lucas_amorim>chealer: sorry, just pasted the wrong file
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14:45<lucas_amorim>thats the right one
14:47<chealer>lucas_amorim: that doesn't tell us what you mean by "doesn't work"
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14:49<lucas_amorim>is that ok?
14:49<lucas_amorim>did I missed an option or something?
14:49<daman>hi everyone
14:49<lucas_amorim>I just run ifdown the ifup, but I am always getting the same ip adress which is the one I dont want
14:50<lucas_amorim>I cant understand this
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14:50<daman>anyone that might help me setup debian 4 system for home networking, dhcp and internet sharing
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14:52<petemc>daman: aptitude install ipmasq dnsmasq
14:52<daman>can i pm?
14:53<petemc>m about to head out
14:53<daman>what will install that?
14:53<daman>i dont want to setup dns
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15:05<Tib>dpkg-reconfigure ssh is not generating a set of host keys despite saying it is trying, but I don't know of anyway to get verbose output from it to verify what's going wrong. suggestions?
15:08<zarchne>Tib: did you remove the old host keys, BTW?
15:09<Tib>the rootpassword init script removed them first before trying to generate the keys
15:09<Tib>so effectively, yes.
15:11*zarchne thinks, "rootpassword init script" wha?
15:11<zarchne>Tib: what?
15:11<Tib>the file - /etc/init.d/rootpassword - it sets the root password and generates ssh keys at first boot on this system image (for installing/deploying multiple hosts from the same base image)
15:11<Tib>it calls dpkg-reconfigure ssh to generate new host keys, but they don't actually get created.
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15:11<Tib>and dpkg-reconfigure doesn't give crap for output or verbose reporting to let me know what is going on.
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15:15<Supaplex>new host keys should be generated on first invocation anyway
15:16<Tib>yes but the point is with keys under /etc/ssh/ not being present and running 'dpkg-reconfigure ssh' why is it not making more?
15:16<daman>petemc, is this some better way, im introduced with iptables and dhcpd?
15:17<Tib>there's no error message or anything. it just returns to a prompt
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15:18<petemc>daman: those two packages would be the easiest way to achieve what you need - if you want to set it up yourself with dhcpd and iptables, go right ahead
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15:18<daman>ok tell what after, im new to those
15:18<dpkg>i heard kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos>
15:22<daman>petemc, what after installation?
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15:23<zarchne>How do I get aptitude search to print out more than 80 columns worth of stuff with no trailing whitespace in any field?
15:24<petemc>daman: most often, those packages should ask you a few simple questions after installation which is enough tyo get them going - otherwise you'll want to peruse the documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename/
15:25<zarchne>e.g., something like COLUMNS=160 aptitude search -F '%?p# %?d#'
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15:25<zarchne>but better (it doesn't obey the COLUMNS var anyway).
15:26<zarchne>Tib: how about purge and reinstall?
15:27<daman>petemc, i found a guide from centos
15:27<daman>petemc, please tell if its worth as example?
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15:29<daman>btw im using debian 40r3 i386
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15:32<CaptObvious>Can anyone tell me how to change my filesource please? I want to apt-get pidgin but the server im on now doesnt allow
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15:33<Supaplex>!tell CaptObvious -about sources.list
15:33<Supaplex>!tell CaptObvious -about mirrors
15:33<CaptObvious>Ah, thankyou
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15:35<daman>Supaple, pm me that also
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15:37<CaptObvious>!tell daman -about sources.list
15:38<daman><cc> for US is us?
15:39<daman>petemc, what about firewalling with those packages?
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15:39<zarchne>Anybody do better than:? aptitude search -F '%?p %?d' | awk -F' *' '{print $1 "\t" $2}'
15:40<Supaplex>!tell daman -about search
15:40<CaptObvious>!tell CaptObvious -about search
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15:43<CaptObvious>!tell CaptObvious -about nonfree
15:44<CaptObvious>!tell CaptObvious -about nonfree sources
15:44<CaptObvious>!tell CaptObvious -about non-free sources
15:44<tq|Memphis>anybody know how to install postgres me newbie
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15:45<Tib>zarchne: purge/reinstall still did not generate new host keys
15:47<CaptObvious>I ask the terminal to let me edit /etc/apt/sources.list and get this: 'Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*" ' Can anyone tell me why please?
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15:48<daman>petemc, are this commands enough?
15:48<daman>1. Start by configuring the network card that interfaces to the other computers on you network:
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15:49<tq|Memphis>daman , do you know postgres
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15:50<tq|Memphis>who knows i really need help
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15:52<zarchne>tq|Memphis: eh?
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15:53<tq|Memphis>i couldnt run it zarchne,
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15:53<zarchne>tq|Memphis: #postgresql
15:53<tq|Memphis>it doesnt show database
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15:56<Hideo>what's the regex for matching anything but ".css" ?
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15:56<weasel>no such thing
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15:56<jaakko>is there some way for code injection if I use in bash "read var; echo $var >> data.txt"? I tried that and "$var" seems to be one argument, it won't hurt if it is "Hello; rm /*".
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15:56<zarchne>Hideo: What RE implementation?
15:57<weasel>jaakko: var="-n foo"
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15:57<weasel>jaakko: will do something you don't want.
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15:58<CaptObvious>Ok, i tried to open /etc/apt/sources.list with text editor , but it wont let me save it over the current sources/list file and cant get root terminal t open the file for editing. (Warning: unkno mime-type for "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*" Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*") Can anyone help me open this sources list in an editable way please?
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15:59<Tib>CaptObvious: edit the file and save it to a different location, say /tmp or your home directory
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15:59<Tib>or do 'sudo -i' and see if you can get a root shell that way
16:00<jaakko>weasel: what it should do? didn't work
16:00<Hideo>zarchne: do you mind if I pm you about the regex?
16:00<weasel>jaakko: it will not print a newline. that's probably not what you expect to happen.
16:01<zarchne>Hideo: all right.
16:01<jaakko>weasel: ah, yes, you are right, it takes it as option, good point. But you can't execute other command(except echo has option for that)?
16:02<jaakko>weasel: and that can be fixed with.. echo "$var" :-)
16:02<CaptObvious>Tib, i sudo -i'd and save the new (and old) file to my desktop. yet it still wont let me save anything over te sources.list in /etc/apt/.
16:03<weasel>jaakko: no.
16:03<weasel>jaakko: var="-n" will make echo "$var" print nothing at all.
16:03<Tib>well if you have root shell access via 'sudo -i', and it still won't let you modify the sources.list, you should check the attributes of the file. 'lsattr /etc/apt/sources.list'
16:04<weasel>CaptObvious: is / mounted ro?
16:04<weasel>or would that be too obvious?
16:04<jaakko>weasel: interesting.. why?
16:04<CaptObvious>weasel, I have no irdea what that means, sorry
16:04<weasel>because -n is a valid option?
16:04<weasel>CaptObvious: touch /test
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16:04<weasel>CaptObvious: does that work as root?
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16:05<CaptObvious>i just get permission denied when i type '/test'
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16:06<Tib>CaptObvious: type 'mount' as a command by itself and see what comes back. you should have a line like this: /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
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16:06<Tib>what does / show from your output?
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16:06<jaakko>weasel: yes, but why it is not an option in.. var="-n Hello"?
16:07<jaakko>weasel: I thought the quotes change behavior.
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16:07<CaptObvious>/dev/hdd1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) OR do you want the other 7 lines also?
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16:07<weasel>echo $var with var="-n Hello" pass two arguments to echo
16:07<weasel>one is -n, the other is Hello
16:07<jaakko>weasel: ah, now I get it
16:07<weasel>echo "$var" with var="-n Hello" pass one argument to echo. "-n Hello"
16:07<Tib>CaptObvious: just that one. root is mounted read/write based on that output.
16:07<jaakko>weasel: thanks
16:08<weasel>Tib: huh?
16:08<Bizarreke>I'm trying to install Etch on a laptop with a broken graphics card. So as I have been reading, I should do it using serial console (which I don't have) or preseeding. Since it's really way over my head, I tried instalinux but that didn't work. So, is there a way to have the installer start sshd and then perform the installation via ssh?
16:08<Tib>weasel: the current options for his root filesystem show 'rw'
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16:08<Tib>wrong window, sorry
16:09<CaptObvious>Tib, so it wnt allow me to change anything it needs to work, because it thinks i have no idea wtf im doing?
16:09<weasel>mount doesn't tell you shit in this case
16:09<weasel>CaptObvious: check the /proc/mounts line for / - it will tell you if it's ro or rw
16:09<jaakko>Bizarreke: LiveCD would be easier, but It might be difficult to find one with ssh-server enabled by default :-D
16:09<Tib>why is that, weasel? it's pulling the info from /proc/mounts, which is going o tell you teh same thing
16:10<weasel>Tib: mount is pulling from /etc/mtab
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16:11<Tib>which shows the current state of moutned filesystems, correct?
16:11<weasel>and it said "rw,errors=remount-ro" which tells you nothing
16:11<Tib>(damn my typos are obnoxious today - ugh)
16:11<weasel>he could just touch a file in /
16:11<weasel>one that doesn't exist
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16:12<CaptObvious>Can i put the new sources list into the same folder, or hell, ANOTER folder and order update to take the list from that one, instead of the one in etc/apt/?
16:12<Tib>CaptObvious: type 'touch /foo-bar' while in the root shell. does it work or do you get a permission denied?
16:13<Bizarreke>jaakko: I'm searching for one now
16:13<CaptObvious>i just get a new line
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16:13<Tib>CaptObvious: if root is mounted read only you won't be able to put another sources file on there, which is what we're tryign to figure out now. I have high doubts you're in a read-only root mode, but we're trying to eliminate that
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16:13<CaptObvious>Ah, thankyou
16:13<Tib>CaptObvious: ok, so you don't have a read only root if it doesn't complain. Now type 'lsattr /etc/apt/sources.list' (for the third time now..) and tell me what it says
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16:14<CaptObvious>'------------------ /etc/apt/sources.list'
16:15<jaakko>Bizarreke: If I was in your position, I would take the HD out (easy in my HP nx), but then you need other laptop or usb-hd-case.
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16:15<Tib>ok. so root is not readonly, and you don't have an immutable bit set on the file, which means more the biggest likely cause is not overwriting the file while on a root shell.
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16:17<Tib>are you positive that saving the file to some separate place, and then putting it into place/overwriting the current one - when using a root shell - fails with permission denied?
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16:17<CaptObvious>when i get properites on the file itself it says Owner : root group : root r/w owner group, others read 'you are not the owner, so you cant change these permissions'.
16:18<Bizarreke>jaakko: and then what would you do?
16:18<matth>the problem I see is CaptObvious didn't clearly stated what commands he issued to do the replace job
16:18<CaptObvious>i do not have permissions to write to that folder
16:18<Tib>CaptObvious: that just means that whatever editor you are using is not running as root but as your personal user.
16:18<CaptObvious>if i try type 'edit /etc/apt/sources.list' it tells me i cant
16:18<jaakko>Bizarreke: mount it (on linux), partition, format, copy Debian on it and install grub. And install sshd too.
16:19<Tib>CaptObvious: did you run that command as root?
16:19<jaakko>Bizarreke: back to laptopt and boot.
16:19<matth>huh, edit is not a text editor.
16:19<Bizarreke>and that should work?
16:19<CaptObvious>I get : Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*" Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
16:19<jaakko>Bizarreke: yep
16:19<Tib>try 'vi' instead, or heck even pico
16:20<Tib>(pico would be best if you're not familiar with vi)
16:20<jaakko>Bizarreke: Not sure about kernel/modules without testing.
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16:20<CaptObvious>all im trying to do is add non free sources to the apt-get list
16:20<jaakko>Bizarreke: but if it is not too special hardware, default kernels will do.
16:20<Bizarreke>So, I would connect the drive, put it in a pc, run a netinst completely, install sshd and then replace the drive?
16:21<jaakko>Bizarreke: yes, you can use "debootstrap" too.
16:22<jaakko>Bizarreke: but then you have to install certain packages manually (not too difficult). some kernel-image and.. hmm. what you need.
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16:22<matth>CaptObvious: use editor instead of edit. noob 'nix text editor that should suit your need. For the future you'll probably better look to more powerfull stuff like vim, emacs, and so on
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16:22<Bizarreke>ok, this is going to be hard ;)
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16:22<jaakko>Bizarreke: have you used "chroot"?
16:23<Bizarreke>reading about debootstrap now, seems difficult
16:23<Bizarreke>yeah, it's for changing the root to some other place, right?
16:23<jaakko>Bizarreke: but yes, you could use a normal installer cd on other machine too, if you get the drive mounted.
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16:24<jaakko>Bizarreke: yes.. if you mount the drive to /mnt, you could "chroot /mnt" and then "aptitude install openssh-server"
16:24<jaakko>Bizarreke: start with debootstrap, its man page tells you about chrooting too.
16:24<matth>jaakko: you'll probably need to mount /proc though
16:25<CaptObvious>sod it, ill just go try d/l pidgin from the main page
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16:26<Bizarreke>fiew, right now, the "put hdd in other machine and install there" way seems the easiest for me
16:26<jaakko>Bizarreke: It is not difficult, if you like to try.
16:26<mtc>Hi all
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16:26<Bizarreke>yeah, I really do like to try
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16:26<Bizarreke>thanks for the help so far, I will start on it right away
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16:27<mtc>I'm on lenny with the kernel 2.6.24 and I have to downgrade it to 2.6.23. What is the best way for that?
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16:27<mtc>add etch-backport?
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16:27<CaptObvious>Is there a way in root terminal to add nonfree sources to the list, or do i have to edit sources.list?
16:27<meoblast001>can anyone tell me where to find debian source.... i want to mess with it to make a distro
16:28<meoblast001>i cant find it in the ftp
16:28<Tib>CaptObvious: 'echo "deb stable main non-free contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list' and then do 'apt-get update'
16:29<CaptObvious>that appears to have worked, thankyou
16:29<CaptObvious>i wonder why it wuldnt let me edit sources.list. Odd.
16:29<Tib>No clue, but that was a quick/dirty way to fix it :)
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16:30<CaptObvious>ah, bypassing the red tape always gives me a tingle lol
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16:31<matth>CaptObvious, Tib: I repeat, 'edit' *isn't* a text editor.
16:31<matth>that seems to be the root of your problem.
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16:32<Tib>matth: I never said it was. but if you do a man on 'edit' you can actually apparently set it to be your default editor, so it's good for something.
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16:32<avu>more like CaptOblivious
16:32<CaptObvious>most likely but last install ( i had to re-install due to a cockup with the hardrive) i used text editor as an editor quite happily.
16:32<CaptObvious>Avo, i tried that. Textlimit on names wont allow it
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16:33<avu>CaptObvious, bummer 8)
16:34<angasule_>hi, I'm looking for a tool somewhat like htop to monitor IRQs, there are many software IRQs on a router and I'd like to identify the source
16:34<matth>Tib: edit's man refer to mailcap's generic one. I do not see anything related to text editor.
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16:34<chealer>mtc: you don't "downgrade" the kernel. Linux 2.6.23 isn't in etch backports. you could get it from snapshots.
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16:35<Tib>matth: setting the editor variable? affects things like crontab -e and the like. *shrug* I don't use it, I never suggested anyone use it, and I don't know why we're keeping this line of conversation up really :)
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16:35<matth>mtc: FYI 2.6.23 has some big local root exploit flaw.
16:36<matth>Tib: we are not speaking about the same thing.
16:36<Tib>matth: that explains a lot then
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16:37<mtc>matth: ok, then 2.6.22?
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16:37<Tib>yay time to go home and enjoy the weekend! have a good one everyone.
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16:38<matth>mtc: nope, also flawed. I don't get the logic though.
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16:39<mtc>matth: I have to build misdn on lenny but it can't on 2.6.24
16:39<mtc>matth: is 2.6.18 stable?
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16:42<jaakko>mtc: yes, it came with Etch
16:43<mtc>jaakko: o.k , what is the best way to get i to lenny?
16:43<mtc>it's not in the lenny repository
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16:44<jaakko>mtc: wait a moment..
16:46<jaakko>mtc: try "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-5-486"
16:47<matth>mtc: just tested out of curiosity and misdn git tree does build fine with 2.6.24-1-686
16:47<mtc>jaakko: say's it could not find it
16:48<mtc>matth: yes, out of git it does but it give me too much new headache
16:48<chealer>jaakko: linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 is obsolete
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16:48<chealer>mtc: which Linux image do you use?
16:48<mtc>chealer: 2.6.24-1-486
16:49<mtc>and I need 486!
16:49<jaakko>mtc: you could compile it by yourself too.. aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18
16:50<mtc>jaakko: could not find package
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16:50<chealer>mtc: you could try linux-image-2.6.22-3-486 2.6.22-6.lenny1 from snapshots
16:50<chealer>jaakko: one would need a stable source to do that
16:50<mtc>chealer: yes, that sounds good
16:51<daman>how to setup dnsmasq to work as dhcp server for eth0 and private network
16:51<mtc>chealer: snapshots from where?
16:51<chealer>!tell mtc about snapshots
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16:52<jaakko>chealer: is there something wrong getting kernel from etch for lenny?
16:52<mtc>chealer: ?
16:52<Supaplex>daman: the /etc/dnsmasq.conf is pretty verbose.
16:52<daman>and how to nat traffic from ppp0 or eth1 to eth0 wit ipmasqu?
16:52<chealer>jaakko: not AFAIK, but the method to do it you suggested won't work unless one has a stable source
16:52<jaakko>chealer: drivers don't like changing kernel..
16:53<chealer>mtc: did you receive the personal message from dpkg?
16:53<daman>Supaplex can i pm?
16:53<Supaplex>just ask here
16:53<mtc>chealer: just saw it
16:53<chealer>jaakko: what?
16:53<mtc>kind of blind today :)
16:53<mtc>chealer: thx
16:53<daman>i dont want to bother/spam all the chan with it
16:54<Supaplex>try one little question at time.
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16:56<daman>supaplex, first how to nat traffic from ppp0 or eth1 to eth0 wit ipmasqu?
16:56<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
16:58<daman>i installed it and set to be started when interfaces are turned up, but it does it automatically or i should configure something?
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16:59<Supaplex>I don't know. never used it myself. look in /usr/share/doc for that package, or /usr/share/man for man pages etc. dpkg -L package will show you everything it installs (but not dependency packages)
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17:01<dpkg>i guess xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at, or #xandros @
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17:13<zarchne>perl -n -e 'chomp; print "match\n" if /^ads(?!\.css$)/;' # prints "match" for input lines starting with "ads", except "ads.css", I think. Regex should also work in JavaScript.
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17:16<zarchne>weasel: how about that? (Or was it someone else who thought it couldn't be done?)
17:17<weasel>that's not a regex. that's a perl regex.
17:17<zarchne>But, it works in JS, too.
17:17<weasel>good for you
17:18<zarchne>Just for some reason one happens to be using one of those obscure languages.
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17:19<daman>Supaplex, tell example how to set dnsmasq be a dhcp server for eth0 and private address
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17:21<daman>btw the guide for ipmasquerade is incomplete, the nat pages are missing, so i had to mail the man that wrote it
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17:31<jaakko>daman: did you give this option "--dhcp-range"?
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17:32<daman>no, jakko please give me example on what commands to give and lines to add and to what
17:33<jaakko>daman: Google.. # Start,Stop,Mask,Lease
17:33<tingle>what kind of *nix ftp servers is professionally used? i would like to learn about them
17:35<Zeplin>I have a question about making an debian run static IP vice DHCP, but i can not get the DCHP client to stop geting ip addresses. i have tryed to user ifconfig to stop the card but it just reconfigures.
17:35<jaakko>tingle: proftpd is one
17:35<daman>jaakko, thx do you have such thing for ipmasq?
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17:37<tingle>jaakko: how about ftpd *BSD daemon?
17:37<jaakko>daman: oh, sorry, did I really google for wrong name. I don't use any of those, I have dhcpd-server and own iptables script.
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17:39<jaakko>Zeplin: write your config to /etc/network/interfaces
17:40<jaakko>Zeplin: then "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0"
17:40<Zeplin>jaakko i tryed that it did not work
17:40<jaakko>Zeplin: Are you running some crappy GUI fighting back?
17:40<daman>jaakko, thx, please post me a example for them ill probably use them, this are giving me a headache :D
17:40<Zeplin>jaakko it just keeps making higher eth#'s
17:40<jaakko>Zeplin: what? :O
17:40<guy>I am trying to download (not installing) packages with apt-get but don't want each and every one's dependencies, is there an apt-get option that would allow me to do so?
17:41<daman>how to install dhcp server in debian 4.0r3?
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17:41<jaakko>daman: dhcpd-server comes with example /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
17:42<daman>jaakko, im a bit famlliliar with dhcpd.conf and iptables
17:43<jaakko>daman: "aptitude install dhcp3-server"
17:43<daman>jaakko, thx
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17:43<daman>i was confused about dhcpd, dhcp3-server and dhcp-server :D
17:43<jaakko>daman: debian/linux is confusing :D
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17:44<daman>jaakko, should i configure /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hosts
17:45<daman>in debian 4.0r3 how to save iptable commands i just had typed?
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17:46<jaakko>daman: I never figured out (I'm lazy) the restore/save things, just write them one file and run it.
17:46<alaya>man iptables
17:46<alaya>then type /save
17:47<alaya>press n to skip to next occurence
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17:51<jaakko>daman: I missed your question.. yeah, you should have valid configuration in /etc/network/interfaces for the dhcp-server interface.
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17:52<homer_>hello to all of you
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17:52<deconvolution>hello, my harddisk keep reading files. Is there any util that I can watch which process is currently reading which files ?
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17:53<homer_>in bash scripting, i want to scan a full directory file by file and echo it
17:53<homer_>how do i do it, if the files have spaces in their name???
17:53<chealer>deconvolution: how do you know your HDD keeps reading files?
17:53<deconvolution>homer_, you wants to use find ?
17:53<Supaplex>daman: I use iptables, and only use dnsmasq for dns. I use the dhcp3 dhcp server
17:54<deconvolution>chealer, the hd reading indicator splashing every 1-3 seconds
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17:54<homer_>deconvolution, NO, i want to see if this file/directory already exist in another directory in my PC and if not then copy it
17:54<daman>alaya, and how to make iptables start at boot (in debian 4.0r3)??
17:55<deconvolution>homer_, I am not so sure your overall purpose, but only for this task you can use rsync?
17:55<homer_>i used "for file in `ls /directory`, but it doesnt solve it if files have spaces
17:55<alaya>daman: what does iptables-save save?
17:55<deconvolution>homer_, rsync automatically check this for you
17:56<daman>Supaplex, but in my case i dont need dnsmasq, do i?
17:56<homer_>deconvolution , no it won't do, i am precticing my bash scripting and it's an issue i stambbled on
17:56<daman>alaya, you want me to post commands?
17:56<alaya>daman: does it just dump actual commands? no, that's ok
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17:57<daman>alaya, thx :D
17:57<alaya>daman: i guess you could put it in /etc/rc.local or else just create /etc/init.d/myiptables and link it to whatever runlevels
17:57<homer_>deconvolution, think you can help me?
17:57<daman>alaya, pls example
17:58<deconvolution>homer_, sorry probably you might want to ask an expert
17:58<homer_>deconvolution, thanks any way man
17:58<deconvolution>homer_, welcome
17:59<homer_>can any one help me on bash scripting????
17:59<chealer>deconvolution: that doesn't necessarily mean it's the HD. which Debian suite do you use?
17:59<alaya>daman: there are iptables wrapper apps, like shorewall you can use
17:59<deconvolution>chealer, unstable
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17:59<chealer>deconvolution: do you use hal?
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17:59<deconvolution>chealer, I can hear the hd noise regularly
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18:00<chealer>deconvolution: ok. then I only know it's not easy. AFAIK you'd need to mess with the kernel.
18:00<deconvolution>chealer, yes
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18:00<alaya>daman: read about system v init. all the init scripts go in /etc/init.d
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18:01<daman>alaya, i was thinking example for "run-level link" part
18:01<deconvolution>chealer, alright, thanks
18:01<homer_>some one here can help me with BASH SCRIPTING PLEASE?????????????
18:01<daman>alaya, btw my debian is in console mode (no gnome, kde or whatever)
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18:04<dondelelcaro>homer_: #bash can
18:04<maex>homer_: whats the prob?
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18:04<homer_>maex, the prob is
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18:05<homer_>maex, I want to read files/directories file by file from one directory
18:05<homer_>maex, and if the file does not exist in another place on my fs, copy it there
18:05<maex>there is
18:05<homer_>maex, I did that already with
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18:06<homer_>maex, for file in `ls /directory`
18:06<Supaplex>homer_: rsync can do that
18:06<maex>homer_: whats the prob?
18:06<homer_>already go this suggestion but i am precticing my bash scripting so i want it by script
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18:07<homer_>the problem is that when the files have spaces in file name it ofcourse fails
18:07<homer_>how do i read that including the spaces if they exist
18:07<daman>alaya, as i know /etc/rc.local is "disabled" by default, how to "enable" it and will it start all commands typed in or just specific ones?
18:07<homer_>maex, so think you can help me???
18:07<maex>homer_: oha, mom
18:08<homer_>maex, what?
18:08<daman>how to make startup links?
18:08<maex>homer_: one moment peale
18:08<jaakko>daman: it is not disabled
18:08<maex>homer_: one moment please
18:08<homer_>maex, no prob. thanks
18:09<daman>jaakko, so whatever commands i type in, will be run at boot, or not?
18:10<jaakko>daman: starts anything, but let don't hang the process, add & after every command (rather pointing to your script)
18:10<maex>homer_: this works for me: for file in *; do echo myfile is $file; done
18:10<daman>jaakko, ok & thx
18:10<maex>homer_: but you have to set $file in parantese for operations, for example:
18:11<maex>for file in *; do cp "$file" ./otherdir; done
18:11<tingle>is this the correct way of using * as a wildcard? example: dpkg -l | grep *alsa*
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18:11<maex>tingle: coulde be a problem
18:11<dondelelcaro>tingle: just dpkg -l '*alsa*'
18:11<daman>jaakko, how to set start-up links?
18:12<maex>tingle: because the bashe resolves the wildcards directly
18:12<maex>tingle: (dam, to late)
18:12<dondelelcaro>tingle: and grep doesn't do globs; it does do regexes, though.
18:12<jaakko>daman: put your iptables commands to /etc/myiptables and then write /etc/rc.local a row "/etc/myiptables &"
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18:12<HellTiger>searching for an pdf reader with auto line break at high zooms. like pocketpcs
18:12<daman>jaakko, ok
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18:13<homer_>maex, i will check it now thanks
18:13<tingle>dondelelcaro: i dont understand why is grep not needed?
18:13<jaakko>daman: if you wan't to link, read "man update-rc.d"
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18:13<dondelelcaro>tingle: because dpkg does that all interanally.
18:13<daman>jaakko, ill read it later :D
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18:13<dondelelcaro>tingle: and if you wanted to grep for what you're doing, it's just grep 'alsa'; no .* needed.
18:14<jaakko>daman: yep, do the simple way at this point
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18:14<daman>jaakko, how to disable ipv6, i hate it
18:15<jaakko>daman: did you ask about the ssh-server some time ago? I think I was wrong about the ipv6..
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18:16<daman>jaakko, i dont remember asking about ssh-server, but it might be
18:16<tingle>dondelelcaro: ok i understand whit dpkg. but does grep use the wilcard interanally too?? it will find blablalsALSAMIXERblabla aswell?
18:16<daman>jaakko, will i need to edit /etc/hosts?
18:16<jaakko>daman: you have to enable forwarding.. edit /etc/sysctl.conf
18:17<jaakko>daman: no
18:17<jaakko>daman: but add your nameservers to /etc/.. dhcpd.conf
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18:18<daman>jaakko, what if /etc/resolv.. or how was that file is empty?
18:18<homer_>maex, it doesn't work for me, I guess I am doing something wrong
18:18<homer_>maex, i get the cp: cannot stat filename, no such file or directory error
18:19<daman>jaakko, what rows to put in /etc/network/interfaces i have eth1 with ppp0, and eth0 with switch and is planned?
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18:22<jaakko>daman: so eth1 is your internet connection? don't change that. echo -e "iface eth0 inet static\n address\n netmask" or what you want.
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18:23<jaakko>daman: (redirect that echo to your config file..)
18:23<jaakko>daman: with ">> /etc/network/interfaces"
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18:24<homer_>maex, sorry left for a sec
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18:24<homer_>maex, did you write me an answer???
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18:26<homer_>maex, .....
18:26<jaakko>daman: I forget, you should have rather "network" and "address".
18:28<jaakko>daman: totally 3 rows defining you network, ip, and subnet mask.
18:29<jaakko>homer_: google
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18:30<homer_>already searched for the solution to that
18:30<homer_>didn't find any
18:31<homer_>jaakko, it's a specific problem i can't find the simple solution to
18:31<daman>jaakko, so i should use as netmask?
18:31<homer_>jaakko, thing you can help me???
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18:31<jaakko>homer_: for file in etch4/*; do echo "filu $file"; done
18:31<homer_>you should use google :)
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18:32<jaakko>homer_: does that work as you want?
18:32<noflash>homer_, #bash on freenode wasn't any help?
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18:33<apexcol>hi, I wish to know how can I shape the traffic in Debian...?
18:33<homer_>jaakko, but if the file name in etch4 is made of spaces it will seperate the file name to it's tokens and they don't really exist as files
18:33<jaakko>homer_: maex allready told that to you and it works
18:33<homer_>noflash, no it wasn't, no one there answered
18:33<jaakko>homer_: it won't!
18:33<jaakko>homer_: try it
18:34<homer_>oh i tried it, I probably do something wrong but I tried it and it doesn't work for me
18:34<homer_>how can i show you my code?
18:34<jaakko>homer_: try what I just wrote?
18:34<daman>jaakko, how to make root login to be avaliable only from my network pc's (probably via telnet, i think ssh is not neccessary)?
18:34<homer_>jaakko, :
18:35<jaakko>homer_: don't forget quotes
18:35<homer_>i added the quotes, give me another sec trying again
18:35<jaakko>homer_: for file in etch4/*; do cp "$file" /tmp/"$file"; done
18:35<jaakko>homer_: for file in etch4/*; do cp "$file" "/tmp/$file"; done
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18:37<jaakko>daman: configure ssh to listen only (your ip) or block the internet with iptables.
18:37<homer_>jaakko, i do : for file in `ls $SRCDIR`; do cp -R $SRCDIR/"$file" $DESTDIR/"$file"; done
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18:37<homer_>it fails for me on files with spaces in their name. why??
18:37<themill>homer_: for file in `ls...` is a bad way of doing it. spaces break things.
18:37<jaakko>homer_: and why you are still using that, not the help you getting?
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18:38<jaakko>homer_: why not "for file in $SRCDIR/*" ?
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18:38<themill>homer_: just do: for file in $SRCDIR/* yeah... what jaakko said.
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18:38<daman>jaakko, i should use netmask for , risht?
18:38<wnd>find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -I% echo cp % /where/to
18:38<wnd>if that can't handle whitespaces, nothing can
18:39<homer_>jaakko, oh now i see what you mean, sorry
18:39<homer_>i wil try that again,
18:39<homer_>thanks jaakko and themill, sorry for the inconveniance, trying it right away
18:40<wnd>another somewhat useful way to cope with whitespaces would be "find foo | while read file; do whatever with the $file; done"
18:40<alaya>how do i get cron to not send a blank mail hourly when it runs my custom cron.hourly script?
18:40<jaakko>daman: ssh is better as you can easily copy files over it
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18:40<alaya>all its doing is sending a blank mail with the name of the script
18:40<wnd>alaya, try having your script not to produce output
18:40<alaya>wnd: it does not
18:40<daman>jaakko, ok about ssh, what about the netmask question?
18:41<wnd>try having 1>/dev/null just to be sure
18:41<wnd>actually does it return non-zero?
18:41<homer_>jaakko, but i only want to copy the file name to the other directory, without the full path
18:41<homer_>this tries to copy the full path
18:41<alaya>wnd: returns 0
18:42<jaakko>daman: how many addresses do you need.. if 254 is enough, just use
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18:42<homer_>themill, i only want to copy the file name to the other directory, without the full path
18:42<jaakko>homer_: use "basename $file"
18:43<daman>jaakko, so you previously said and now, thats confusing me, what is right now?
18:43<alaya>wnd: thanks i'll try the redirect and wait 1 more hour
18:43<themill>homer_: cd $SRCDIR && for i in * ; do ....
18:43<jaakko>daman: you can choose it, as you could decide to use network too
18:44<wnd>alaya, you could probably try to have it in user crontab for quick testing -- if the permissions allow
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18:45<jaakko>daman: it tells what addresses are in this part of your lan/network
18:46<alaya>wnd: its not that critical. i was looking at other cron scripts and didn't see any options to not log or mail, so was confused about this one.
18:46<daman>jaakko, if i set "ifconfig eth0 netmask" in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf i shoud set netmask or ?????
18:47<jaakko>daman: put the same maks
18:47<jaakko>daman: mask
18:47<wnd>as far as I can tell cron really shouldn't bother you unless it's because the script has some output or non-zero return code. never have my scripts done anything like that, so I'm out of fast answers.
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18:47<daman>jaakko, you mean
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18:48<jaakko>daman: yeah, choose that
18:48<apexcol>hi, I wish to know how can I shape the traffic in Debian...?
18:48<alaya>wnd: well the script does some echoing to sysctls, could be something with that
18:48<daman>jaakko, :D thx
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18:49<alaya>wnd: i could also rewrite it to use sysctl instead of echoing (i didn't write the script)
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18:50<wnd>oh, well, that sounds non-trivial
18:50<apexcol>hola fari
18:50<homer_>themill, thanks man it worked fine
18:50<homer_>themill, I really appreciate it
18:50<apexcol>de dónde eres?
18:50<apexcol>puerto boyaca
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18:50<Fari>te delató elchevere
18:50<alaya>wnd: well, but the sysctls are in /sys/devices/ not /proc so i have to find the syntax. nothing mentioned in sysctl manpage
18:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:50<apexcol>claro... colombia o venezuela
18:51<themill>homer_: no worries.
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18:51<apexcol>I speak english too
18:51<apexcol>I've made a question but no answer
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18:51<alaya>ah i see: devices.platform......=value
18:51<apexcol>I said I wish to know how I can shape the traffic in Debian...
18:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 350] by debhelper
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18:53<wnd>apexcol, depends on what you want to do, but looking into wondershaper could help you to get started
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18:58<alaya>hmm no: error: "devices.platform.i8042.serio1.sensitivity" is an unknown key
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18:59<alaya> /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/sensitivity exists
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19:01<SeLEct>any phpbb/mysql nerd here? :P
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19:03<wnd>alaya, does "sysctl -a" list the keys you need?
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19:03<alaya>wnd: nope
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19:03<alaya>wnd: only ones under /sys that are listed are those in kernel/
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19:04<alaya>no block, bus, class, power, module...
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19:07<alaya>there must be some esoteric reason, but i'm not about to spend 1 hr. googling for it :-(
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20:05<bighornram>can anyone tell me what package to install that will add the printer icon/queue to gnome? I can print but don't get that taskbar icon.
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20:06<azeem>gnome-cups-icon IIRC
20:10<bighornram>azeem: well that isn't the package name though. I had this issue on another machine and finally did get the correct package to install...but it was the LAST package i looked at and can't recall what it was.
20:10<azeem> /msg dpkg search
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20:14<themill>bighornram: gnome-cups-manager?
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20:15<themill>benjimouse: go away
20:15<benjimouse>fuck you
20:16<benjimouse>FUCK YOU
20:16<benjimouse>F U C K Y O U
20:16<themill>!ops benjimouse needs kicking
20:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: benjimouse needs kicking
20:16<bighornram>yea it is what I thought too. appears that manager controls it but adding that package doesn't bring the icon in.
20:16<benjimouse>!ops plz kick me lol
20:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: benjimouse complains about: plz kick me lol
20:16<dpkg>ops is probably Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
20:16<benjimouse>!ops lol
20:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: benjimouse complains about: lol
20:16<benjimouse>!ops kick lol
20:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: benjimouse complains about: kick lol
20:16<benjimouse>!ops beep beep beep kick me lol
20:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: benjimouse complains about: beep beep beep kick me lol
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20:16<benjimouse>!ops where r u
20:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: benjimouse complains about: where r u
20:17<benjimouse>!ops lololol
20:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: benjimouse complains about: lololol
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20:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: benjimouse complains about: DCC SEND LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 0 0 0
20:17<dpkg>i guess ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
20:17-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
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20:17<themill>azeem: thanks
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20:18<themill>bighornram: I don't use gnome so I can't really tell you more.... sorry :(
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20:19<bighornram>themill: thanks, like i say i went through this search one time b4 will make a note somewhere when I find it this time. :)
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20:20<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
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20:23<zarchne>bighornram: dpkg -S gnome-cups-icon
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21:21<keith>Debian 4.0.AMD64. I want to add this sound card Leadtek Winfast A280LE. I have installed the nvidia packages from dpkg but without success. Could someone tell me how to start addind the soundcard?
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21:25<janrocks>keith : have you tried alsaconf?
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21:27<keith>janrocks: No, but I'll have a look now.
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21:32<keith>janrocks: The card must be a graphics card as well because when I install it my inbuilt graphics is shut off and the new card won't work. The computer seems to boot but no monitor. Can you suggest anything?
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21:38<tin>hmmm, why might packages be kept back from an upgrade?
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21:41<dondelelcaro>!kept back
21:41<dpkg>from memory, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see
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21:42<RIVE>Hello, good evenning.
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21:50<janrocks>keith : all google returns for that card is it is a graphics card
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21:50<tin>what's the card?
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21:50<janrocks>Leadtek Winfast A280LE
21:51<janrocks>it has tv out
21:51<tin>hmm, looks like an nvidia type all in wonder
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21:52<tin>what's the issue?
21:52<amphi>'winfast' is not reassuring
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21:53<tin>its based off of ti4200 card with video in and video out
21:56<janrocks>it is reported to work, but as a graphics card not a soundcard
21:56<tin>it probably has an audio port to feed the sound in or out to the soundcard
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21:56<janrocks>original question was
21:56<janrocks>keith> Debian 4.0.AMD64. I want to add this sound card Leadtek Winfast A280LE. I have installed the nvidia packages from dpkg but without success. Could someone tell me how to start addind the soundcard?
21:57<janrocks>sorry.. too new for me
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21:58<tin>not gonna get too much in the way of sound out of a video card without some serious hardware/software hacking
21:58<tin>although one of the first discovered uses of the old altair was playing a tune by modifying the type of interference it had on a nearby radio
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22:01<tin>nvidia did make a video in video out card, so thier driver packages should support the sound for video fed into it
22:01<janrocks>perhaps I still run matrox so wouldn't know
22:01<tin>i prefer ati
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22:02<janrocks>don't have the luxury of choice
22:02<tin>i'm running an ati 9700pro in my desktop rig
22:04<RIVE>Its a mather of taste, I prefer Nvidia, the Ati cards that i owned was a pain to configure.
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22:04<tin>although my lappy is running a centrino setup, and the intel drivers are fairly straightforward
22:05<RIVE>For laptops Intel i think is the moust easy to configure.
22:05<tin>its the only way to go right now
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22:05<tin>unless you're deluded into thinking that you desparately need a gaming rig that can fit in your lap
22:06<RIVE>I have a Dell INspiron 152o with a Nvidia video card, like i said, juost a mather of taste.
22:07<tin>heh, i imaged the hard drive off of an inspiron 1510 the other day, i love my toshiba's SATA
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22:09<RIVE>In the Dell lap i had to change in the BIOS how to the system will recognise the DVD unit, had to change to IDE, with SATA didn't work.
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22:09<tin>compatability mode is good enough
22:09<tin>nobody notices the speed difference by not going with true sata
22:10<RIVE>Let the velocity, joust works!, and that's what i need it.
22:11<tin>so the 1520 does have sata?
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22:13<tin>i love the sata on my laptop because i can just yank the hard disk, plug it into my tower, and back up my files
22:14<tin>well, not my files, my partitions
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22:15<RIVE>Didn't try that.
22:16<RIVE>I have not tried that.
22:16<tin>you can actually dd a partition to a file
22:17<tin>then compress it to save space and store an MD5 to make sure its valid
22:18<tin>the entire process takes about 2 hours for my entire drive
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22:20<RIVE>That's much time.
22:21<tin>beats having to rebuild my system
22:21<tin>i can also attach to the image and get files from it if i don't feel like booting my laptop
22:24<RIVE>That's a good solution, i juost copy the important partitions of my system to another DD.
22:24<RIVE>HArd disk, sorry.
22:24<tin>but usb is 1/3rd as fast as sata
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22:25<RIVE>I dontń know you, but i have verios computers that are "old" -for windows of course- but make a great job as file servers.
22:25<tin>my desktop is XP
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22:26<tin>i like to keep my gaming rig tuned for games, i don't have cycles to spare with the old hardware
22:26<RIVE>In office my desktop is VISTA, but in my house, i don use it, only my wife, but i can't do much about that :-)
22:27<tin>i'm probably gonna get banned for this, but when it comes to gaming, a nicely tuned copy of XP (non-essential services killed, eye candy off, running clean) is better than linux + wine
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22:27<tin>in windows, you can use a program called ftk imager to attach to dd image files to extract files
22:28<tin>recover deleted files, etc
22:28<RIVE>Like you said... for games and the new ones, i only play Enemy Territory in Linux, so is not a problem for me.
22:28<tin>i don't game on my laptop
22:28<RIVE>Laptops are not for games.
22:28<tin>so bringing in cs2 via wine has pretty much let me run debian full time
22:29<RIVE>What is CS2?
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22:29<tin>adobe photoshop cs2
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22:30<RIVE>Ahh, ok, neither do graphic design :).
22:30<tin>photochop, just editing pics
22:31<CaptObvious>Anyone know of a decent filesource so i can download pidgin via terminal? My current source cant find it..
22:31<RIVE>I only need basic tools for editing photos, so GIMP do the job I need joust fine.
22:31<Gekz>anyone wanna have a game of freeciv?
22:31<dondelelcaro>CaptObvious: aptitude install pidgin;
22:31<RIVE>CaptObvious, are you using Etch?
22:31<tin>captobvious, consider using backports
22:32<dondelelcaro>(if you're using etch, it's gaim)
22:32<CaptObvious>dondelelcaro, ok, how did that work, but apt-get didnt?
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22:32<tin>aptitude !=apt-get
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22:32<tin>apt-get has super cow powers, aptitude does not
22:32<CaptObvious>ah, never mind. 'Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "pidgin"'
22:33<dondelelcaro>CaptObvious: so if you're running etch, install gaim instead.
22:33<janrocks>yes.. even the backports of pidgin don't work properly
22:33<dondelelcaro>(unless you really want pidgin, in which case you need to add a source, and *then* install pidgin)
22:34<CaptObvious>what is etch? I know i can install pidgin, i installed it last time i ran debian on this computer (day before. fouled something up so i re-installed and lost my source).
22:34<tin>i have a backport of 2.3.1 that works fine, but i'm running the 2.6.22 kernel for packet injection
22:34<dondelelcaro>CaptObvious: etch is the current stable release.
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22:34<RIVE>Etch is the stable version of Debian.
22:34<tin>captobvious, try this:
22:35<tin>backports lets you pull from the future
22:35<tin>i.e. lenny compatable packages
22:35<CaptObvious>Many thanks. Is the reason it could find pidgin just because it isnt listed on this source?
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22:36<dondelelcaro>CaptObvious: pidgin is the new name of gaim, and hand't been released when etch was.
22:36<dondelelcaro>CaptObvious: so unless you've added non-etch sources to your sources.list, you won't have it.
22:37<CaptObvious>ahh, i get it!
22:37<RIVE> you won't have it... with that name.
22:37<tin>so when you use stable, you're privvy to a snapshot of software as it was at that time :)
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22:37<CaptObvious>so i need to update y source with stuff from current, and i do that with the backports thing i was linked?
22:38<tin>you can
22:38<tin>but use it sparingly because you'll end up with the worst of both worlds: all the old features with all the new security holes
22:39<CaptObvious>thankyou for your advices
22:40<RIVE>If you want newer packages dist-upgrade to Lenny.
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22:41<tin>i'm tempted to run an upgrade to lenny, but i still manage to break debian every time i sneeze
22:42<tin>recompile the kernel - break debian, install experimental ipw2200 network drivers - break debian, install kde - break debian
22:42<RIVE>tin, this desktop and my lap have Lenny, my server Etch.
22:42<tin>i have the magic touch
22:43<RIVE>What is your magic touch?
22:43<tin>the ability to break debian with fairly routine tasks
22:44<tin>i haven't had to reinstall it yet though, i can manage to bring it back without a system wipe
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22:44<dave_>hi friend!! i need sound and better video in mi portatil!
22:45<RIVE>So, must benn routine for you, maybe for me are atrange.
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22:45<tin>i suppose, i learned linux from the inside out
22:45<tin>programming courses in college, working a digital forensics job
22:46<dave_>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
22:46<dave_>doing lspci
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22:46<dave_>this is
22:46<dave_>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 3)
22:46<dave_>for notebook
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22:47<tin>there was a point in time where i could recompile a fedora built kernel, hand build a partition table from scratch, but couldn't start an xterminal gui or install an application in red hat to save my life
22:47<RIVE>dave_, does the sound of your computer works?
22:48<dave_>well there is sound but i can not controler some prog.
22:48<RIVE>I had to download the alsa-
22:48<RIVE>source and compile.
22:49<dave_>i writed about it!!
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22:49<dave_>no ! the alsa!
22:50<amphi>dave_: I have the same card, it works ok here
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22:53<dave_>As I explained, I have good sound but not the microphone or hearing aid
22:54<dave_>RIVE: Nor English is not so good but you understand it, now you can help me in that the lasla!
22:55<dave_>my English is not so good but understand you, now you can help me in that the lasla!
22:57<RIVE>I did't have that problem.
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22:58<RIVE>So, i won't be much help-
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23:00<RIVE>Because i don know how to help you.
23:02<dave_>Was reading that the alsa, I believe that there is the thing!!
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23:19<keith>Etch. AMD64. Can anyone help with installing a Winfast A280LE graphics card?
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23:26<chealer>keith: not without knowing how you can be helped
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23:32<dave_>VGA with notebook
23:33<keith>chealer: I installed the nvidia packages that I think should apply. Now the problem is when I physically install the card, that shuts down the connection to the monitor.(No signal error). Any help here?
23:34<dave_>i have the same problen with my graphics card, notebook
23:34<dave_>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
23:35<chealer>keith: ask the channel
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23:35<dave_>keith: you know about it!
23:35<amphi>dave_: that's supported by the xorg 'intel' driver, I expect
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23:36<keith>dave_: Sorry, i'm lost
23:37<CaptObvious>Can anyone recommend a good multi-server (msn/yahoo/aim) cha client please? I had Gaim, i closed random. Pidgin installs but refuses to start, SO! Any reccomendations?
23:38<keith>chealer: What is "ask the channel" mean/
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23:39<chealer>keith: I mean don't ask me just becuase I answered your previous question. ask the whole channel (and I'll answer if I can)
23:39<chealer>CaptObvious: which X session type do you use?
23:39<CaptObvious>I dont now. How would i find out please (noob)
23:39<dave_>amphi, how I arrive there
23:41<amphi>!tell dave_ -about drxx
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23:43<Marupa>I have two ISPs, and two ethernet cards in my computer. Is there any way to just plug both in and have both accessible? I've tried it and it keeps /only/ working on one. WHat'm I doing wrong?
23:43<dave_>amphi: this--00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
23:44<dave_>actually use etch!
23:45<chealer>CaptObvious: which desktop environment do you use?
23:46<CaptObvious>etch maybe? Im really not sure.
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23:49<CaptObvious>i found a pidgin release in backports at '' except it stats hat my dependency is not satifiable. And googling thats phrase doesnt help..
23:49<dondelelcaro>CaptObvious: did you add a entry to your sources.list?
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23:49<chealer>CaptObvious: no, etch is your Debian suite. do you use GNOME or KDE?
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23:50<janrocks>Captobvious ; you have found the same problem with pidgin backport I had
23:50<janrocks>unsatisfiable dependency with some lib.. think it was libc6 version
23:50<dondelelcaro>if you're seeing that, then rebuild the backport
23:51<CaptObvious>dondelelcaro, No as i accidentally closed the window the instructions were on, so instead bookmarked a list of backports so i can do it via web browser.
23:51<janrocks>I just use gaim and xchat
23:51<CaptObvious>chealer, I think kde, but how do i find out?
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23:51<CaptObvious>janrocks, I tried Gaim, but it kept randomly closing itself.
23:51<chealer>CaptObvious: in your system menu, do you see the work "KDE" or a foot?
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23:52<Marupa>What's the easiest way to get gnome installed on a 'barebones' system (IE, selected nothing on install)
23:52<gsimmons>!install gnome
23:52<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
23:52<CaptObvious>Foot, top left corner.
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23:53<Marupa>gsimmons, any way to ask dpkg privately?
23:53<gsimmons>Marupa: /msg dpkg foo
23:54<CaptObvious>chealer, Foot.
23:54<chealer>CaptObvious: then your X session type is GNOME.
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23:55<Marupa>Any way to limit aptitude's speed?
23:55<dondelelcaro>Marupa: yes, but the right place to do such things is at your routers, not the application level.
23:55<Marupa>dondelelcaro, no router.
23:56<Marupa>straight line to the internet. :3
23:56<dondelelcaro>there's no such thing as "straight to the internet"
23:56<Marupa>well, there's nothing I can clamp down on my end.
23:56<CaptObvious>chealer, so why would that not allow Pidgin to start, or cause gaim to randomly close?
23:56<dondelelcaro>but if you only have a single machine, you can run tc on your own machine
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23:57<chealer>CaptObvious: it wouldn't. I would have recommended another IM client if you had used another desktop environment.
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23:59<janrocks>I haven't found anything to ever break gaim on sarge or etch
23:59<CaptObvious>having another go at gaim. but i really want pidgin (i got it orking last time i installed this same debian). Mainly because gaim closes randomly but pidgin didnt. (i know they are basically the same)
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