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00:00<janrocks>get the source for pidgin and compile it yourself
00:00<janrocks>it should work then
00:01<CaptObvious>janrocks, I didnt know what DE i was running. How lkely is it that im going to figure out how to compile pidgin?
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00:01<janrocks>quite easy if you follow te instructions
00:02<janrocks>tho I haven't even tried with pidgin
00:02<janrocks>IMHO the irc side is poor, and I mainly use irc
00:02<CaptObvious>got xchat for that
00:04<janrocks>I hear not in lenny
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00:05<janrocks>I know this problem with dependencies with pidgin on etch.. went through the backport last week sometime
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00:06<janrocks>what is the IM client used on XFCE?
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00:10<CaptObvious>During pidgin compiling :configure:3363: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH See `config.log' for more details. .. what fun. Think ill stick with gaim for now
00:10<CaptObvious>see if i can find out WHY it closes randomly and fix that.
00:12<janrocks>usually uninstalling and reinstalling cures random close
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00:13<CaptObvious>im giving it a try for a second time
00:13<janrocks>watch for dependencies
00:13<CaptObvious>So, other than terminal and the apt-'s for progrmas (which it cant find) What else shiny stuff can debian do.
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00:14<CaptObvious>janrocks, Dependencies?
00:14<CaptObvious>!tell CaptObvious dependencies
00:15<CaptObvious>well, that gave nothing
00:15<janrocks>hehehe.. errm.. it's hard to guess what may be wrong because it has always just worked for me
00:15<janrocks>you could try reconfiguring it
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00:17<CaptObvious>wouldnt know how
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00:18<janrocks>dpkg-reconfigure package_name
00:19<CaptObvious>bah, got a new line
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00:24<ch1ch4j0>hi brothers
00:24<ch1ch4j0>i need the help please
00:25<ch1ch4j0>i delete the configuration file of apache-ssl
00:25<janrocks>CaptObvious : I found reports of gaim installing perfectly using synaptic
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00:25<ch1ch4j0>and i removed with apt-get remove apache-ssñ
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00:26<ch1ch4j0>i want to reinstall apache-ssl but the system give error
00:26<ch1ch4j0>grep: /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf: No existe el fichero o el directorio
00:26<ch1ch4j0>Configuration syntax error detected, not starting/reloading...
00:26<ch1ch4j0>fopen: No such file or directory
00:26<ch1ch4j0>apache-ssl: could not open document config file /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf
00:26<ch1ch4j0> failed!
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00:54<CaptObvious>Me again. For some reason playing any sort of on-HDD music, or music from a CD freezes the program and it wont make sound. Plus i cant .. make sound would be the best way to describe it. It was working earlier. Now it isnt..
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01:01<CaptObvious>in fact, when i tell debian to pla a file using default media player.. It doesnt even play a note before locking up
01:01<CaptObvious>which is silly. All i want to do is listen to some music!
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01:07<janrocks>which player do you hace selected
01:07<janrocks>try xmms or amarok
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01:07<janrocks>sound is a bit of a bugbear on etch
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01:07<CaptObvious>totem media player, but i have tried all others that came with it, also aptgot a
01:07<CaptObvious>udacious . none of which even try make sound
01:08<CaptObvious>same with flash
01:08<janrocks>ahhh.. don't talk to me about flash
01:08<janrocks>try open with xmms
01:08<CaptObvious>apt-getting it now
01:08<janrocks>usually plays stuff
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01:09<CaptObvious>its jus odd that trying to play these files just locks up the program
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01:11<janrocks>not really.. if it is looking for an output device
01:12<CaptObvious>on xmms whenever i tell it to 'play' it brings up a play files window. I select a song and click the play button. nothinig happends so i click the > button. And again pops up the 'play files' windw
01:12<janrocks>try selecting a file from a media folder right click and play with
01:13<CaptObvious>yeah, it doesnt add it to the playlist
01:13<janrocks>noting is running that could have your sound device is it
01:13<CaptObvious>even if i drag the file TO the playlist
01:13<CaptObvious>no, not that i know of
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01:15<janrocks>again mine just works
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01:15<janrocks>you don't happen to be running as root are you?
01:16<CaptObvious>I believe i am
01:16<janrocks>that could explain a lot
01:16<janrocks>log in as your regular user
01:16<CaptObvious>There is only one user login on here.
01:17<bgat>anyone know how to set up xorg to auto-login a user on system startup?
01:19<CaptObvious>brb, maybe
01:20<CaptObvious>thats nice of it. I ask it to log me out. It proceeds to freeze toolbars.
01:20<CaptObvious>Eh, 50% of what i ased
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01:23<CaptObvious>Oh this is just stupid. Now the mouse cursors buggered off.
01:23<CaptObvious>and i STILL cant hear sound!
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01:24<janrocks>maybe he would be better off with lenny
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01:25<janrocks>it's more stable than etch
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01:26<janrocks>i broke mine beyond repair by messing with pidgin
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01:26<tony>mplayer is not working. can someone help?
01:26<janrocks>it came back up then
01:27<CaptObvious>Total gain by installing Debia so far: nonworking sound, dodgy chat client and i have lost my mouse cursor. And not quite janrocks, sadly.
01:28<janrocks>just to let you know... I broke my etch beyond repair the other week trying to help somebody with pidgin
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01:28<CaptObvious>except i havent done anything i can think of that would cause soud not to work and for y mouse cursor to just bugger off
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01:29<janrocks>mine locked up and refused to boot after
01:29<janrocks>you might do better with lenny
01:30<CaptObvious>i dont know if its any help, but when i try open volume monitor, it tells me that sound daemon is buys, type esd in terminal. I do that and it tells me that /dev/dsp: device or resource busy
01:31<CaptObvious>from a fresh login with naught but xchat and terminal open
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01:31*janrocks thinks
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01:34<CaptObvious>I think ill go back to xp for the time being, then try fresh install of debian on a new HDD before writing it off as a bad job. make sure this one isnt faulty (its an old HDD).
01:35<CaptObvious>I dout the HDD IS faulty, but i also doubt that people would use debian if it was THIS buggy, s bet way is to eliminate variables, namely: HDD.
01:35<janrocks>Use "lsof /dev/dsp" to find if any process is using the audio device. You
01:35<janrocks>should find it is held by ESD: it is the sound server
01:35<CaptObvious>it just gave me a new line
01:37<CaptObvious>janrocks, 'x1-6-00-0b-06-57-dd-b1:/home/cris# lsof /dev/dsp' I get nothing returned and a new command line happens.
01:39<janrocks>same here
01:40<CaptObvious>is it MEANT to do that?
01:40<janrocks>incorrect info (again) in debian wiki
01:41<Supaplex>!lart misleading info
01:41*dpkg strangles misleading info with a doohicky mouse cord
01:41<GhostlyDeath>!damn misleading info
01:41*dpkg sends misleading info to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
01:41<Supaplex>!win GhostlyDeath
01:41<dpkg>Congratulations, GhostlyDeath! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
01:42<Supaplex>you should share with janrocks ;)
01:42*GhostlyDeath chucks CDs at passing cars
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01:42<GhostlyDeath>Supaplex: Got tape? We can make a huge mirror
01:43<CaptObvious>Solar oven
01:43<GhostlyDeath>Concentrate the power of the sun to 6-8 inches
01:44<Supaplex>I have a 42" magnifying lens (1/4" thick) in storage. that thing will vaporize aluminum cans in good sunlight :)
01:44<Supaplex>oh and ant hills? well, it turns the sand into its own bakeware :P
01:44<GhostlyDeath>Supaplex: When you can, write down a reminder to send me a pic
01:45<GhostlyDeath>and a pic of it in action
01:45<Supaplex>yeah I should grab a video of it in action :)
01:46<GhostlyDeath>make some eggs too
01:51<Supaplex>oh, and junkmail doesn't stand a chance under it
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02:05<CaptObvious>my mouse cursor has dissappeared when i logged out and in. Any fixes please?
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02:11<bgat>I just did a dist-upgrade from etch to sid, and I'm having problems with lftp:
02:11<bgat>apt-get install lftp
02:11<bgat>perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
02:11<bgat>No alternatives for ftp.
02:11<bgat>dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1
02:11<bgat>dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
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02:15<bgat>anyone know how to deal with the lft package's install problems in sid?
02:15<bgat>er, s/lft/lftp
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02:55<You>alright, I need / want help. In synaptic (hell, even directly editing the repository file and using aptitude), when I try to add the Sid or Lenny repository, I get an error once I reload the files (everything is listed as broken), and I would like to know how I would go about fixing it. I'm currently running etch.
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02:56<zarchne>What is You trying to do?
02:57<You>I'm trying to get a newer version of openssl, compiling from source isn't working for me.
02:57<zarchne>Well, installing a package from Lenny or Sid won't work, either.
02:58<zarchne>What isn't working about installing from source, and why do you need a newer version, anyway?
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02:59<zarchne>You know?
03:00<You>I'm getting errors in the makefile when I try to build it from source. I'm not that knowledgeable on the subject, so I don't know how to fix it.
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03:01<zarchne>Did You check and, which would have it if it was commonly needed?
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03:03<You>no, I'll go check it now.
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03:21<user01>what happened to flashplugin-nonfree in etch?
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03:23<jaakko>user01: When? How do you know something happened to it?
03:24<user01>jaakko, maybe its just the mirror
03:24<jaakko>user01: a few weeks ago my iceweasel installed flash automatically, non-free in my sources.
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03:24<chealer>user01: see
03:25<fxiny>flash 9.0 r124 ?
03:27<user01>chealer, so it has been removed?
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03:28<chealer>user01: yes
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03:29<user01>chealer, how do i watch youtube then?
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03:29<chealer>user01: I still use Adobe Flash Player
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03:30<user01>chealer, i would have to dpkg it or something?
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03:31<chealer>!adobe flash
03:31<dpkg>Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from or flashplayer-mozilla from (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>.
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03:33<user01>chealer, flashplayer-mozilla doesnt work
03:34<iamdac>where does one get <gnash>
03:34<user01>for you tube
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03:35<chealer>dpkg: no, adobe flash is <reply>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with the package flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
03:35<dpkg>chealer: okay
03:36<chealer>dpkg: no, adobe flash is <reply>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
03:36<dpkg>okay, chealer
03:36<dpkg>it has been said that gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. ...
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03:38<user01>chealer, /etc/apt/preferences . . . if i copy and paste that one in the wiki it will be ok?
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03:51<power_ranger_biru>melok kuis rek oleh ra
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03:54<chealer>user01: presumably (though I can't believe you need that)
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04:00<jaakko>hmm.. this flash thing proves, you can't have windows usability and linux(debian) security. It is choice, no one is absolutely better.
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04:03<fxiny>same as bloody java
04:03<fxiny>two holes in my box :P
04:05<jaakko>has there ever been a malicious feature in debian package on purpose?
04:06<dondelelcaro>jaakko: sure
04:06<chealer>dpkg: no, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See for more information.
04:06<dpkg>okay, chealer
04:06<dondelelcaro>jaakko: not introduced by the debian developer, but upstream. ISTR it being icq something or other.
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04:15<Wraak>cheers all..
04:16<Wraak>could anyone help ? im trying to get the sound working on my new pc..
04:16<Wraak>the chipset is MCP61 from nvidia..
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04:17<cahoot>Wraak: run speaker-test
04:17<cahoot>any error?
04:17<Wraak>cant find any devices..unknown dev
04:17<cahoot>Wraak: what version of debian?
04:17<Wraak>and alsa doesnt work
04:17<Wraak>4.0 etch
04:19<chealer>Wraak: does Linux 2.6.18 support that?
04:19<Wraak>on nvidia site,nothing for *nix about sound
04:19<gsimmons>Wraak: Support for the MCP61 was included in alsa 1.0.13. You can build and install an alsa-modules-* package within Etch (using module-assistant) to provide this version.
04:19<cahoot>snd-hda-intel is loaded?
04:20<Wraak>gsimmons: sounds good..the problem is that im new in linux:)
04:20<Wraak>cahoot: i didnt check that
04:21<dpkg>i guess module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
04:21<cahoot>Wraak: go with gsimmons
04:21<gsimmons>Wraak: Once you've performed the above, execute "m-a a-i alsa".
04:22<Wraak>right module assistant is installed ..i needed that for building the kernel module for tthe video board
04:23<Wraak>sorry to be a pain..but how exactly do i start?
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04:25<user01>was realplayer removed too?
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04:26<twb>Is there a tool like baobab (in gnome-utils) or filelight that doesn't require about 100MB of disk space for the bloated GNOME/KDE deps?
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04:27<dondelelcaro>what, like du -hs or df -h?
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04:28<tratt>trying to install etch amd64 from netinstall cd.. and i get "can't find driver for cdrom"
04:29<tratt>have a Asus P5E3 Ws Pro motherboard. Maybe the Marvell chipset isn't supported
04:29<chealer>user01: Debian never distributed RealPlayer
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04:31<twb>dondelelcaro: yes, like du --max-depth but with a nice multi-level pie chart
04:31<dondelelcaro>ugh. pie charts are blech
04:31<twb>I find it easier to visualize the data
04:32<fxiny>hmmm : i have many strange lines in my logs : kernel: Redirect from on ppp0 about ignored. and many : kernel: printk: 36 messages suppressed. . hmmm
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04:35<fxiny>sploit galore ? hmmm
04:35<twb>dondelelcaro: partly because I don't know how to sort -n with du -h
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04:36<twb>I thought I could du -xh --max-depth 4 / | sort -g, but -g doesn't seem to actually work like I thought
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04:40<dondelelcaro>twb: you just use du |sort -n;
04:40<twb>That's hard to read
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04:41<fxiny>i think is a f* google ad server
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04:43<dondelelcaro>twb: you can always run it through a converter to human readable numbers if you need to, though it's not entirely clear why you'd bother
04:43<gsimmons>tratt: I don't believe the installer's 2.6.18 kernel supports your motherboard's ICH9R controller. You would need to use an Etch installer with a more recent kernel, such as the backported d-i images available from
04:43<gsimmons>!tell tratt -about kmuto
04:44<twb>dondelelcaro: because I'm a human
04:44<twb>...more or less
04:44<twb>dondelelcaro: do you know of such a convertor?
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04:47<tratt>gsimmons, "install acpi=off generic.all_generic_ide=1" worked :)
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04:58<user01>gnome would work ok on a slow computer unless you run synaptic
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04:58<user01>or openoffice
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04:58<twb>gnome blows run remotely
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04:59<user01>xfce seems alright
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05:01<fxiny>wmii/fluxbox rulez :P
05:02<twb>Personally, I prefer not to use a desktop environment (other than Emacs), and not to use a window manager that requires lots of silly dependencies like libxpm or libpng
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05:03<fxiny>someone here told me about dwm . i'm using dwm "father" wmii and i am quite happy
05:04<Mastroquet>fxiny : did you try dwm ?
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05:04<fxiny>Mastroquet: yes . amazing . i'll do my own asap
05:04<Mastroquet>It's even better than wmii imo
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05:05<fxiny>Mastroquet: you told me about dwm ?
05:05<fxiny>can't remember who
05:06<Mastroquet>fxiny : no, I don't think so
05:06<Mastroquet>good advice anyway...
05:06<fxiny>very good
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05:07<fxiny>Mastroquet: this is my fourth day on wmii , i've checked ion too . i love tiled windows managers
05:07<fxiny>so relaxing
05:08<fxiny>they makes fluxbox looking like windows :P
05:08<fxiny>and i love flux but ....
05:09<fxiny>all vim users will love 'em
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05:09<Mastroquet>fxiny : I agree
05:09<avu>wmii got on my nerves just because the default keymapping clashed so hard with emacs 8)
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05:10<avu>ratpoison is nice in that respect
05:10<Mastroquet>yes, ratpoison would be my other favorite
05:11<beer>is this the right place to get help to install kde from experimental?
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05:11<fxiny>avu: no clashes here : my emacs is quite heavy : muse +ecb + more , up to now i made only some mrxvt macro for switching tabs
05:11<Mastroquet>but if i remenber well you can change wmii keybindings quite easily, without recompiling
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05:11<fxiny>Mastroquet: ratpoison is pure fun ;)
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05:12<twb>When removing automatically installed packages, things that have circular dependencies keep themselves installed despite not being depended on by anything I asked for
05:12<twb>Is there a way to detect these cycles and kill them with fire?
05:12<Mastroquet>yes, on my laptop I use it all the time
05:12<Snuffpig>beer: I don't think there's much more you need to do other than add the experimental lines to your sources
05:12<fxiny>hahahah i cannot use mode4 cause i do not have the damned windows keys on my keyboard :)
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05:12<twb>fxiny: use your caps key then
05:13<beer>I have added deb experimental main non-free contrib and deb sid main non-free contrib and did write "apt-get update" fellowed by "aptitude -t experimental install" but seems there are depneding problem
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05:13<fxiny>twb: default mod is ok
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05:13<beer>install kde 4
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05:13<twb>I hate C-t SPC instead of being able to just hold H- and tab SPC
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05:13<chealer>beer: no
05:14<chealer>!tell beer about kde 4
05:14<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos>
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05:14<beer>then I will go there and ask
05:15<Snuffpig>beer: you'd be better off with virtualbox and install kubuntu in it
05:15<chealer>dpkg: kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian.
05:15<dpkg>chealer: okay
05:15<chealer>dpkg: no, kde4 is <reply>see kde 4
05:15<dpkg>chealer: okay
05:15<beer>Kubuntu 8.04 is based on kde 4.0 but kde in experiementel is based on the upcoming 4.1
05:16<Snuffpig>i installed kubuntu, then changed over the sources lines to 'hardy'
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05:16<Snuffpig>all within the virtualbox
05:16<Snuffpig>hardy has the absolute latest versions
05:16<Snuffpig>runs nicely btw
05:17<chealer>Snuffpig: why?
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05:17<tq|Memphis>!tell tq|Memphis about pgadmin3
05:17<tq|Memphis> i dunno what is 'pgadmin3'. --> noob ^^
05:17<Snuffpig>because i didn't want to install KDE 4 to my pristine debian boxes; all these boxes are production and stay in the testing repository
05:18<Snuffpig>so a virtualbox allows me to install cutting edge software and consider integrating it in debian when it gets stable and makes it to testing
05:18<fxiny>hahah still having trouble with postgresql ?
05:18<chealer>Snuffpig: how does that explain why he'd install kubuntu rather than Debian in a virtualbox?
05:18<fxiny>tq|Memphis: :)))
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05:19<tq|Memphis>i'll fix !
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05:19<Snuffpig>the fact that he needed to 'ask' how to install it, tells me that maybe he probably shouldn't, and would be better off with a 'simpler' solution
05:21<Snuffpig>ubuntu gives back a lot to debian so i don't hesitate to recommend it.
05:22<beer>the problem with Kubuntu is that is more bloated than debian.
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05:23<beer>using KDE3.5 and the tools I need Kubuntu tages 50 % more ram than Debian (approx 100 vs 150mb)
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05:23<cahoot>debian defined as what?
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05:23<Snuffpig>i totally agree, i've got it in a box now with synaptic updating it's packages. but for curious folk who wanna see the latest and greatest software, but not necessairly use it on their real machines, installing kubuntu in a virtual box and updating it to hardy is the way to go
05:23<beer>debian testing
05:24<cahoot>with or without X/DE?
05:24<Snuffpig>all my testing of kde4 and firefox3 has been done this way
05:24<chealer>Snuffpig: I don't see how learning to install KDE 4 could be harder than learning to install a new distro.
05:24<beer>with X and kde 3.5
05:24<fxiny>firefox3 on etch ?
05:25<Snuffpig>chealer: i can't see what that's got to do with anything
05:25<fxiny>unofficial gtk 2.10 ?
05:25<Snuffpig>firefox3 in the virtualbox
05:25<fxiny>what for ? set a partition aside and play free
05:25<Snuffpig>re: 50 % more ram than Debian (approx 100 vs 150mb)
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05:25<Snuffpig>is ram still that expensive where you live these days?
05:26<beer>the problem with the hardy solution is that it is only kde 4.0.3 and in debian experimental there is 4.0.68 (opcoming 4.1)
05:26<chealer>Snuffpig: you just wrote that " the fact that he needed to 'ask' how to install it, tells me that maybe he probably shouldn't, and would be better off with a 'simpler' solution", referring to installing Kubuntu as a "simpler solution"
05:26<Snuffpig>beer: is there something in 4.0.68 that you need to see that isn't in 4.0.3
05:26<beer>but 50% more is still a lot for the functionallety that I ned
05:26<fxiny>there are news about kde4/experimental in kde lists
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05:27<Snuffpig>chealer: Install the ubuntu distro's is childs play, so there's no reason not to recommend it to people as one viable solution
05:27<fxiny>that's wrong
05:28<Snuffpig>if people prefer to install experimental packages on their production system, that's up to them
05:28<beer>Snuffpig: There are a few bugs in kde 4.0.3 in kubuntu that I would like to see if it is alreayd fix in the opcoming 4.1
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05:28<fxiny>asbsolutely wrong : noob should forget fear when joining debian
05:28<chealer>Snuffpig: and how would installing KDE 4 in Debian be less childs play?
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05:29<Snuffpig>it's all just as easy
05:29<fxiny>that kind of fear is a relic of the past
05:29<beer>atm it is imposebly for me to install kde 4 from experimentall since there are depending problem
05:29<chealer>Snuffpig: at best
05:29<fxiny>beer: read kde list for advice
05:30<Snuffpig>from my position here there are two types of users. Users that are apparently like beer who need to testing KDE for specific bugs and functionality, and then there are the rest of them that just want to 'have a look'
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05:30<fxiny>they say wait a month or so
05:30<Snuffpig>for the 'have a look crowd' telling them to install kubuntu in a virtualbox is a decent solution
05:30<Snuffpig>in my estimation.
05:30<cahoot>I suppose getting kde4 in debian includes some file editing a task that a lot of ubuntu installers obviously can't manage
05:31<Snuffpig>I think if we make the distinction between people who really do need to test the latest and greatest KDE and those that just want to see what a widget is, helps define what solution we could prescribe to them.
05:32<fxiny>the thread is "Important for KDE 4 users: KDE 4.0.3 and KDE 4.1 trunk"
05:32<Snuffpig>beer: i'm sorry the dependencies don't work, they are ok in kubuntu (hardy) ;)
05:32<beer>hmm seems the bedste thing I can do atm is what I have done the last 2 years. Waite for the geeks/neerds to make kde 4 ready for debian
05:32<Snuffpig>beer: that's what i do on my production systems
05:32<Snuffpig>KDE4 is NOWHERE near ready to be my desktop
05:33<Snuffpig>3.5.9 ftw ;)
05:33<Snuffpig>and the panel sux.
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05:33<Snuffpig>debian is like guiness, it's worth the wait
05:33<Snuffpig>polished packages that have seen a lot of love
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05:36<beer>I have 2 boxes atm. One running Debian Etch for work at the univercity and one with debian experimental so I can try the latest and greatest
05:37<Snuffpig>i might try throwing experimental in a virtualbox and see how it goes
05:37<twb>19:27 <Snuffpig> chealer: Install the ubuntu distro's is childs play, so there's no reason not to recommend it to people as one viable solution
05:37<beer>have Debian decided if kde4 will be part of lenny? I have read the thay will look at the 4.1 brance sometimes and make an desision
05:37<twb>Snuffpig: I install Ubuntu and Debian all day, and Ubuntu is not any easier
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05:37<Snuffpig>twb: at no point did i say the ubuntu installer is 'easier' than the debian installer ;)
05:38<fxiny>childs can play in the garden
05:38<twb>Snuffpig: most obviously, hardy alpha's ubiquity's timezone chooser requires a lot of hand-eye coordination, and does not support RAID nor LVM
05:38<fxiny>dunno why it should go back in time
05:39<fxiny>the world is ruled by idiots so it can be ruled by kids ? makes no sense
05:39<Snuffpig>beer: it's not looking like it will
05:39<chealer>beer: ask #debian-kde
05:39<Snuffpig>beer: but there's a maybe on it
05:39<Snuffpig>from what i read
05:39<Snuffpig>i'd be much happier to get xorg 7.3 than kde 4
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05:40<Snuffpig>in lenny.
05:40<beer>I have tried to ask in debian-kde but there are no responce
05:40<Snuffpig>ah, they must be busy coding ;)
05:40<twb>Isn't 7.3 already migrating?
05:40<beer>7.3 is in sid atm but not in testing
05:40<Snuffpig>I've asked various people but not yet got a definite answer.
05:40<Snuffpig>7.2 has a nasty bug.
05:41<twb>Snuffpig: only one, eh? That's pretty good.
05:41<Snuffpig>I'll rephrase, only one that bothers me ;)
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05:43<fxiny>i can see the physical benefits of cutting down on focusing over a mouse cursor since i moved to tiled windows managers . i don't think kde and gnome are going in the right direction
05:44<fxiny>imho the future is for vocal command
05:45<twb>dondelelcaro: another reason that I like baobab over just du is that baobab essentially has a --cutoff 1M option, so that dirs below the cutoff don't get recursed into. This is smarted than just a du --max-depth because it means that e.g. /var and /usr will have a few levels of depth, but /boot will just be one line
05:45<twb>I think I'll request that as a feature for coreutils...
05:48<twb>fxiny: I'd rather have RSI than be hoarse
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05:48<twb>At least I can still yell at people and tell them to bring my newspaper and biscuits
05:48<fxiny>twb: rsi ? i prefere stochastic ;)
05:50<zarchne>du -ax | sort -nr | less
05:50<twb>zarchne: I know about that.
05:51<zarchne>It's easier than scones.
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05:53<fxiny>muffing ?
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05:56<fxiny>twb: alt 2 swithces to tag/virtual where emacs waits . my eyes are relaxed . check all steps your brain must do using the mouse .
05:57*twb has wandered into the twilight zone
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05:59<fxiny>6 steps at least . times n equal rsi^32
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06:03<twb>I found a bunch of things that visualize du output by doing aptitude search '~d\<du\>'
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06:19<andrboot>Hi, is anyone able to help me.. currently i have a tv tuner and an onboard sound card. from some reason the tv tuner card is taking inddex=-0 instead of -2.. any ideas?
06:20<cahoot> try asoundconf
06:21<andrboot>uea cahoot only picks up my onboard
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06:21<andrboot>i had this problem before.. unfortuantly i forgot how i fixed it.. and i dind't realise until i had dwiped the drive already lol
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06:22<cahoot>then edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base (at the bottom)
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06:23<Hate29>Is there a way to get 2.20 or newer kernel to etch? My dvb-c card needs it.
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06:24<twb>!tell Hate29 about bpo
06:25<twb>Hate29: try that
06:25<Hate29>twb: ok, thanks
06:26<twb>It may be wrong.
06:27<Hate29>I still try, or I have to change to ubuntu =/
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06:29<tratt>anyone else here have asus p5e3 motherboard?
06:29<tratt>problem installing etch on it
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06:32<TSoft>Salve o popolo di #debian
06:33<TSoft>hello :)
06:33<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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06:34<twb>tratt: no, but try describing the problem
06:34<TSoft>i try here in english
06:35<TSoft>How I can do that when a user logged in as user, give the comand via shell 'ps aux' let output only the processes who belongos to that user and not all processes that are running on the server ?
06:35<twb>TSoft: ps -u TSoft
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06:35<TSoft>Thanks but...
06:35<TSoft>when the user type 'ps aux' see all processe and I don't want this.
06:35<TSoft>I want that when a user type ps aux only can show his own processes
06:35<twb>TSoft: a in ps aux means "all users"
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06:36<twb>TSoft: you want ps to lie to users?
06:36<tratt>twb, hard to find the cdrom .. have to use install apci=off generic.all_generic_ide=1 .. it works..and finds the cdrom. I install everthing .reboots. Then it hangs.. says i have to use irqpoll
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06:36<TSoft>is there a possibility to limit the shown processes to an user ?
06:36<twb>tratt: hmm, I don't know how to help with that, sorry.
06:36<twb>TSoft: selinux might be able to do that
06:37<TSoft>what is selinux ?
06:37<twb>TSoft: also virtualization technologies like Xen and OpenVZ
06:37<twb>!tell TSoft about selinux
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06:38<TSoft>my is a Server with 2.6.18-5-686 Debian GNU/Linux 4.0
06:38<fxiny>TSoft: man ps
06:39<twb>fxiny: he doesn't want to know how to use ps
06:39<twb>fxiny: he wants to know how to BREAK ps so his users get wrong information
06:39<fxiny>twb: -U id ?
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06:39<wilfred>TSoft: what about other commands? who, w will show lots of that information
06:39<twb>fxiny: plonk
06:40<twb>wilfred: which is why he needs to use something at the kernel level to restrict these data
06:40<TSoft>I want that a user when he type 'ps aux' only show his own processes and not all processes running on the server :D
06:41<fxiny>to break ps ? wierd !
06:41<twb>TSoft: why do you want that?
06:41<TSoft>because on the server are more users :D
06:41<TSoft>note only 1
06:42<TSoft>someone tells me to do it with 'sysctl - configure kernel parameters at runtime '
06:42<TSoft>is this correct ?
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06:45<acu>how to install a flash player plugin for Iceweasel ?
06:45<acu>I want to see in utube movies (I use AMD64 and lenny)
06:45<fxiny>!adobe flash
06:45<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
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06:46<acu>! nspluginwrapper
06:46<dpkg>well, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <> for etch packages.
06:47<wilfred>I've only run debian stable on my laptop so far - is it worth upgrading things? The 2.6.18 is rather old now
06:47<acu>wilfred: if everything runs, stay calm do not change anything
06:47<abli>Hi! shouldn't running "aptitude safe-upgrade" once upgrade everything it can? Apparently running it multiple times keeps upgrading packages. Why aren't those upgraded all at once in a single run?
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06:48<fxiny>many laptop users are already running lenny
06:48<wilfred>acu: how soon can I expect new versions to come through? I'm used to gentoo on my desktop :-s
06:49<acu>fxiny: I run an AMD64 with Broadcom Wifi and HPWebcam and NVIDIA card - NONE works, NVIDIA does not work anymore since I updated the kernel to
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06:49<cahoot>acu: what bcm?
06:50<fxiny>acu: best way is to ask here why :)
06:50<acu>wilfred: I am not a developer, and I am not involved in Debian, so I do not know
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06:51<acu>fxiny: why ?
06:51<fxiny>wilfred: if am not wrong lenny will be released this autumn
06:52<wilfred>fxiny: excellent
06:52<acu>wilfred: I have Debian Etch installed in 3 computers and Lenny in the laptop (I thought that newer kernel will solve my Broadcom and HP Webacm and Wifi problems - no avail)
06:53<fxiny>wilfred: a am just a user like you :)
06:53<cahoot>acu: what bcm?
06:53<dli>wilfred, debian releases when it's ready :)
06:53<gsimmons>acu: If you were previously using the bcm43xx driver, this has been disabled in 2.6.24+ Debian kernel images. It's deprecated in upstream in favour of b43legacy.
06:53<fxiny>wir rulez
06:53<dli>wilfred, you can safely use testing, if you want more upgrades
06:54<acu>It seem that best is to stick with Intel stuff - I took AMD to support the underdog - but it is to pricey
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06:55<salvin>acu, for youtube you can try my script:
06:55<acu>gsimmons: I thought Broadcom drivers will be part of the kernel
06:56<gsimmons>acu: They are, just that an older one has been retired from 2.6.24.
06:57<cahoot>acu: my hp's bcm4312 works very nicely thankyou with b43
06:57<cahoot>easily outperforms my intel3945
06:57<acu>gsimmons: so if I would install Lenny from scratch, the Broadcom will be detected and used (the laptop is only 4 months old
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06:58<acu>cahoot: so how do you make it work ?
06:58<gsimmons>acu: Depending on the chipset, yes. But you would need to supply the necessary firmware via the 'b43-fwcutter' package, prior to operation.
06:58<acu>salvin: thanks - it should be an easier method (I forgot how to do it manually, is just pointing to the plugin and it will take care from there)
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06:59<acu>gsimmons: so means I have to have a vista or XP driver
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07:00<gsimmons>acu: A NDIS driver isn't necessary for b43/b43legacy usage, just extracted firmware.
07:01<acu>gsimmons: what is the file extension .sys ? __ then I have to blacklist fwsomething ? God, why it is so complicated?
07:02<twb>acu: ask file(1)?
07:02<cahoot>acu: the b43 module in kernel + correct firmware
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07:03<twb>wifi working OOTB with 100% FOSS code is ony of my fantasies
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07:08<adri>hi to all
07:08<adri>anyone use kazehakase?
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07:12<twb>adri: not for a few years
07:12<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
07:13<adri>I want compile kazehakase 0.5.4 with webkit
07:13<adri>but I have 1 compiling error
07:13<adri>excuse me for my english I'm from Italy
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07:17<acu>adri: version is in Lenny
07:17<acu>so you could just get a .deb
07:17<adri>yes but It isn't compiled for webkit
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07:18<twb>adri: that's correct.
07:18<adri>I compiled webkit but in the preference kazehakase don't recognize it
07:18<adri>then I read I must recompile kazehakase
07:18<twb>kazehakase has to be COMPILED against webkit; it won't "find" it at run time.
07:18<adri>in the configure process it recognize webkit and it is succesfull
07:18<twb>Since galeon and kazehakase are basically abandoned, you might be better off moving to midori or epiphany-webkit.
07:19<adri>I know midori but kazehakase is multiengines it is very good for me I am web designer
07:19<acu>adri: I just checked in synaptic package manager - and if I atttempt to install kaze 0.5.3 a bunch (maybe 10 or more) dependencies are to be installed - but I do not know anything about it - so listen to real experts
07:19<twb>If you say so.
07:19<adminx>... ich kann kein Englisch, nur Deutsch
07:20<Torsten_W> /j
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07:21<S4rk4stik>bonjour tout le monde :)
07:21<adri>but I want Kazehakase packed for webkit / gecko
07:21<adri>in debian repositories it is packed only for gecko
07:21<twb>Hmm, it seems kazehakase has actually had some code movement since Etch
07:22<adri>now I'm compiled kazehakase-0.5.4 from source
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07:26<re>to build kernel from a given configuration i import the configuration
07:26<re>under which name to which directory? /usr/src/linux/config or what?
07:27<re>then do oldconfig?
07:27<re>make oldconfig
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07:28<twb>re: /boot/config.thingy to /usr/src/linux/.config
07:29<re>ahh, .config with a point
07:29<re>but no version
07:29<re>then make oldconfig?
07:29<twb>Ask #debian
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07:30<re>oops, i do ask on #debian
07:32<re>or did that show up in #debian-eeepc?
07:32<re>(i'm a irc newbie ;)
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07:35<twb>re: gah, sorry
07:35<twb>re: you ARE on #debian
07:35<twb>re: I was confused
07:35<re>thought *i* would be...
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07:36<KDEfan>do you people think that kde 4.1 will be in lanny when it goes stable?
07:36<twb>dondelelcaro: fyi, this makes me at least as happy as baobab:
07:36<twb>cd / && sudo du -ax --max-depth 5 -B $((1024 * 1024)) | xdu -n
07:37<twb>!tell KDEfan about kde4
07:38<re>so *plz could somebody confirm*:
07:38<re>is kernel configuration file for a given configuration to start with and
07:38<re>do make oldconfig ... based on it /usr/src/linux/.config or what?
07:38<twb>re: I assume you're using kernel-package?
07:39<valdyn>re: make oldconfig uses the same config file as always ( .config ) and asks only previously unanswered questions, i.e. options that are non-existant in .config
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07:40<re>so the name .config is right :)
07:41<re>i try to build kernel for geode (Alix3c3 board)...
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07:41<re>stock debian runs ok, butt needs 30 minutes to boot ;(
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07:43<twb>re: ouch
07:43<twb>re: are you trying to put Debian on an XO-1?
07:43<re>whatis XO-1?
07:44<re>this is an pcengines Alix3c3 board
07:44<twb>re: OLPC XO-1
07:45<re>there should be a wiki page for eeepc OLPC Alix ... common things
07:45<re>like flash memory
07:45<re>limited resources
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07:45<re>i'm thinking about making such a page
07:46<re>but where in the hierarchy would be a good place?
07:46<fsckr>good morning my fellow debian users. This is my first debian install and this may be a stupid question but is Etch the latest stable release and if so how come the kernel is only 2.6.18-6-486?
07:46<re>etch is stable
07:47<re>install the kernel you want
07:47<KDEfan>depend what you mean "stable"
07:47<twb>fsckr: "stable" means that it receives no feature upgrades
07:47<fsckr>ok thank you re but if I am running a AMD 4800+ shouldn't I be using a better kernel to take advantage of my cpu?
07:48<KDEfan>you should use the kernel that ends with 686
07:48<twb>Because feature upgrades introduce bugs, and getting bugs on your payroll server on a Friday afternoon is Very Bad
07:48<fsckr>hehe I would have to agree to that twb
07:48<re>no, wanted to *ask* if it is 686, they say it's 586
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07:49<fsckr>ok well ill go for the kernel upgrade in synaptic and see how it goes
07:49<twb>fsckr: many people run the testing release on workstations and desktops, because they don't need that level of stability
07:49<re>atm i'm using 486
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07:50<twb>fsckr: I suggest you install stable (Etch), then upgrade in-place to testing (Lenny) if you feel that the packages are "too old"
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07:50<re>lenny is doing fine for me
07:50<fsckr>stability isn't my real concern. I am trible booting cuz I get bored and want to try knew things
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07:50<re>so take sid
07:50<fsckr>twb: what is the correct way to upgrade to lenny?
07:51<twb>!tell fsckr about etch->lenny
07:51<KDEfan>I would say: take lenny aka testing
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07:51<fsckr>ok will do thx
07:51<KDEfan>much newer than etch(stable) and only a bid behind sid
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07:52<KDEfan>and testing have few bugs compared with stabe and sid
07:53<twb>IME trying to install testing or sid directly tends to break, so I generally install stable and then dist-upgrade (upgrade in place) to testing.
07:54<fsckr>well i have changed the lines in my source.list to lenny. I only had 4 of them. So I will try to dist-upgrade
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07:54<KDEfan>is nvidia-glx stil broken in lenny/sid?
07:55<fsckr>hehe i guess ill find that out since I am upgrading to lenny
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07:55<amphi>I believe so; I've heard that you can force the install of nvidia's driver
07:56<twb>FOSS good, proprietary baaaaaad.
07:56<fsckr><- right in the middle of a dist-upgrade and I use nvidia woohoo
07:56<KDEfan>last time i look into the problem it was easyer just to install them from nvidia hompage
07:56<fsckr>oh cool thats what i do anywho
07:57<amphi>twb: indeed
07:57<KDEfan>twb: what driver/card do you think I should use to play WoW in linux?
07:57<amphi>just don't play it ;)
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07:58<fsckr>LOL amphi I no likes WoW either im strictly a fps gamer
07:59<KDEfan>so what card/driver is the bedst to 3d games on linux?
07:59<fsckr>I do however like the Mr T WoW commercial now that was funny
07:59<fsckr>KDEfan: everyone has there opinions and me personally it would be nvidia
07:59<fsckr>i myself run a 7800GTX
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08:00<twb>KDEfan: mu.
08:00<twb>KDEfan: WOW is not FOSS
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08:00*twb hits KDEfan with a stick
08:00<fsckr>anyone here like the quake series I have a friend that has been working on it different kinda quake called quake2world. You can check that out at
08:01*twb holds up little finger
08:01<fsckr>woohoo 16% done
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08:01<bcochofel>Hi, I'm still trying to get Funambol working under debian etch. I've tried installing jdk, but still nothing.
08:01<bcochofel>How can I get this funambol program to work under etch
08:02<_MDC__>using lenny and two interface which booth use dhcp, I cant seem to get ifup ethX and ifup ethY work separatly, using ifup ethX also brings up ethY and gives me a lot of troubles.. is there a setting in dhclient.conf i've missed?
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08:02<twb>dpkg -l funambol
08:02<dpkg>No packages found matching funambol
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08:02<twb>_MDC__: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
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08:05<bcochofel>twb: I believe there's no debian package for funambol
08:05<_MDC__>twb; - interfaces and dhclient uploaded
08:05<bcochofel>I'm only trying to put a SyncML server running on etch. His there any other SyncML server that I can use?
08:06<re>twb: plz answer me a very stupid irc beginners question:
08:06<re>using erc i see you say
08:06<re>* twb holds up little finger
08:06<re>but normally i see something like
08:07<re><nick> very enlightening statement here
08:07<zarchne>re: /me
08:07<re>what did you tipe in?
08:07<re>so /me saying something?
08:07*re trying
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08:08<re>zarchne: is this erc specific, or just irc?
08:08*zarchne thinks re needs more practice speaking in the third person.
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08:08<zarchne>re: generally applicable.
08:09<zarchne>re: /help me
08:10<re>did not enlighten me, but anyway
08:10*re going to eat dinner
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08:13*fxiny touches wood
08:13<Undertaker>did somebody try to install jabberd2 from experimental?
08:13<NinjaMan>can someone help me with a p3scan / clamdscan permssion problem?
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08:16<NinjaMan>ok maybe if I put the question a different way - p3scan is creating temporary files with group as 'root' instead of p3scan. How do I fix that?
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08:21<dmsantam>anyone here use mutt with imap?
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08:21<_MDC__>twb; appears to be a known bug,
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08:23<twb>_MDC__: I see
08:23<twb>_MDC__: I've never run into that before, glad you found the fault
08:24<NinjaMan>twb / _MDC_ - can't you manage that through /etc/networks/interfaces ?
08:24<_MDC__>twb; i'm not that happy about it.. seems like it's never gonna be fixed, i'll have to do a dirty workaround instead...
08:24<NinjaMan>sorry /etc/network/interfaces
08:25<NinjaMan>if you only specify dhcp on one of the interfaces
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08:25<_MDC__>NinjaMan, even if I do a ifup eth4, it also brings up eth3...
08:25<twb>_MDC__: maybe you could use a difference DHCP client, such as pump
08:25<_MDC__>twb, i think i'll use two different dhclient scripts instead and do some manual stuff in interfaces..
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08:26<_MDC__>twb, i need some custom up scripts in dhclient I can't live without - don't know if pump can do that...
08:26<NinjaMan>_MDC_ oh I see, I have not had that problem before - I can bring up interfaces individually
08:26<NinjaMan>what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like ?
08:27<_MDC__>NinjaMan - using two dhcp and dhcp3 ?
08:27<NinjaMan>are both eth3 and eth4 in the "auto" stanza?
08:27<_MDC__>NinjaMan, they're not yet ...
08:28<_MDC__>NinjaMan, the problem is not interfaces or debians ifup/down - its dhclient that brings up alla interfaces configurated in dhclient.conf
08:30<twb>On a normal dhcp configuration dhclient does *not* bring up interfaces
08:30<twb>It merely configures them so that they work :-)
08:30<twb>The files in /etc/network/run exist even in dhclient backgrounds and dies
08:30<NinjaMan>and you matching
08:30<NinjaMan>"allow-hotplug <iface>" and "iface <iface> inet dhcp" lines in /etc/network/interfaces for you dhclient interfaces?
08:31<KDEfan>have anyone of you tried to install sun-java6-plugin from sid? I think it is broken
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08:31<twb>NinjaMan: he pastebinned his interfaces file above
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08:31<NinjaMan>twb: I think I arrived in the room after that point
08:31<twb>22:05 <_MDC__> twb; - interfaces and dhclient uploaded
08:32<_MDC__>twb, unfortunatly my setup isn't normal ;-)
08:33<_MDC__>twb, i'll see if I can make some hackish setup
08:33<NinjaMan>ok I see now
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08:34<NinjaMan>only a single dhclient instance is started irrespective of how many interface sections you have in dhclinet.conf
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08:35<_MDC__>NinjaMan, yep, and somehow I only get one lease file and everytime a renew I get a new ip adress on both interfaces
08:36<_MDC__>NinjaMan, dhclient ethX - also brings the other interfaces configed in dhclient up
08:36<twb>That is weird
08:36<_MDC__>twb, tell me bout it ;-)
08:36<twb>I've never seen it because I always have DHCP upstream and static down
08:36<NinjaMan>ic - just thinking if I can lay my hands on another network card to try this out
08:37<twb>_MDC__: are they all connecting to the same network?
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08:37<twb>If so, you could trunk
08:37<_MDC__>twb, this will be my firewall when done - having one public ip, and one for my isps iptele (on another subnet)
08:37<NinjaMan>hi Mrkvz
08:37<Mrkva>is there anyone with intel x3100 graphics card? i can't even play GTA2 under wine (too laggy) - is this wine/driver/graphics card issue? or just bad config?
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08:37<_MDC__>twb, so no, not the same network..
08:37<NinjaMan>sorry Mrkva - I don't have the h/w
08:38<twb>Mrkva: you'll have better luck with OpenGL-based Windows games under Wine, I imagine.
08:39<Mrkva>ok... i'll try tuxracer :)))
08:39<twb>Sucks how #debian tech support seems to spend half the time dealing with problems caused by broken hardware and software vendors -- games, wifi, nvidia...
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08:44<NinjaMan>_MDC_ what about trying to start dhclient without any interfaces and manually adding them through OMAPI -
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08:45<NinjaMan>it's not something I have ever done, but maybe that link can help
08:45<_MDC__>NinjaMan, i think I solved it using different config files - will know in about 2min when dhcclient renews..
08:46<_MDC__>NinjaMan, but i'll read the post in a minut - thanks ;-)
08:46<_MDC__>twb/NinjaMan - fyi, seems like it's working now...
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08:47<twb>BTW, if anybody knows how to have a Debian host request (and use) a host-name and domain-name from DHCP/DNS, where the DHCP/DNS daemon is dnsmasq, I'd LOVE to find out.
08:47<NinjaMan>np - marvellous - what else did you do besides split the dhclient.conf config file?
08:47<twb>From sniffing packets it seems that dnsmasq ignores requests for host/domain-name.
08:47<Mrkva>well... tuxracer under wine works fine (with a broken sound)... so i think it isn't hard drive problem... is wine THAT slow?
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08:47<_MDC__>NinjaMan, custom ifup scripts
08:48<twb>_MDC__: sounds painful
08:48<NinjaMan>aah ok - makes sense
08:48<_MDC__>NinjaMan, two lines; up dhclient -cf /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.eth4.conf eth4 -pf /var/run/
08:48<twb>_MDC__: perhaps you shoul document this on or a mailing list or something?
08:48<_MDC__>NinjaMan, down kill $(cat /var/run/ ; ifconfig eth4 down
08:48<twb>Oh *that's* what you mean by "custom ifup scripts"
08:48<twb>I thought you meant a custom /sbin/ifup
08:48<NinjaMan>_MDC_: nice
08:48<_MDC__>twb, seems a little too hackish to recommend someone ;-)
08:49<twb>Looks perfectly sensible to me
08:49<_MDC__>twb, yeah, nothing fancy to see ;.-)
08:49<twb>Look at what *I* have:
08:49<twb>pre-up pkill -x ssh || test $? -eq 1
08:49<twb>post-up ssh -f -F ~twb/.ssh/config -i ~twb/.ssh/id_rsa -N -L 80:soy:80 -L 902:plum:902 twb@soy
08:49<_MDC__>twb, hehe
08:50<NinjaMan>_MDC_ : I disagree. It is a sensible way forward given that clearly a single dhclient instance doesn't handle interfaces independently
08:50<twb>So on ifup it kills off existing forwarding, then re-forwards (with gateway hopping) some services from the office to localhost
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08:50<_MDC__>twb, nice ;-)
08:50<twb>Kind of obscene for a multi-user system
08:50<_MDC__>NinjaMan, maybe this should be in debians ifup/down scripts then?
08:51<twb>I feel bad even though it's just on my Eee PC
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08:51<_MDC__>twb, nothing network manager could do instead?
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08:52<NinjaMan>_MDC_: that is fair point. It might be a bit of a nightmare to make it auto-configure on installation - maybe network manager is the way forward
08:52<NinjaMan>;) just what I was thinking
08:52<twb>_MDC__: I am Not A Fan of network manager
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08:52<twb>_MDC__: it require dbus and cannot be controlled unless I 1) start X and a bloated WM; or 2) write dbus requests by hand
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08:53<_MDC__>twb, sooooon I've heard nm will have a system wide config
08:53<twb>Currently I'm using ethernet allow-hotplug and wpa-supplicant with the "wpa-roam" feature, so that I can easily change APs from the command line
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08:53<_MDC__>NinjaMan, it probably very rare setup so maybe just a note on the wiki/readme somewhere will be enough...
08:54<NinjaMan>_MDC__: fair point
08:54<NinjaMan>twb: regarding your earlier question - presumably you are hell bent on sticking with dnsmasq?
08:55<twb>NinjaMan: I need DNS, DHCP and TFTP -- dnsmasq gives me all three easily
08:55<twb>NinjaMan: and it Just Works with /etc/ethers and /etc/hosts
08:55<NinjaMan>twb: ic
08:55<twb>NinjaMan: were you gonna suggest ISC dhcpd ? ;-)
08:56<NinjaMan>twb: well I know it works :) - I've never used dnsmasq
08:56<_MDC__>twb, embedded system or just for easy config?
08:56<twb>_MDC__: the latter
08:57<twb>I'm used to embedded systems, which is why I know dnsmasq
08:58<NinjaMan>twb: and in my case, with a mixed network, it allows me to control proxy configs and NETBIOS over TCP settings
08:58<twb>As a workaround I just hacked live-initramfs to set the hostname based on mac address, which is all I was going to do via dnsmasq anyway -- the only difference is that customers know how to edit /etc/ethers but not the live-initramfs hack
08:58<_MDC__>NinjaMan, about the wiki, do you know any good place for this?
08:58<twb>NinjaMan: you can set arbitary dhcp-options in dnsmasq
08:58<twb>NinjaMan: you can do so on a per-network or per-mac or per-ip basis, too
08:58<NinjaMan>twb: I'll find time to give it a try
08:59<NinjaMan>_MDC__: not off the top of my head
08:59<twb>NinjaMan: e.g. you can set the filename to pxelinux.0, but then send a different filename once debian-installer starts and issues its own dhcp request
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08:59<twb>Which is how d-i gets its default preseed file
08:59<wornwinter>Hey everyone.
09:00<wornwinter>I've just changed to Debian from Vista :)
09:00<twb>The config file setup to do stuff like that is a bit confusing, though.
09:00<NinjaMan>twb: ic that is interesting not sure I have a use for it yet, but you never now lol
09:00<wornwinter>I'm having a problem though, my Tapco LINK.usb soundcard won't work.
09:00<wornwinter>Linux doesn't seem to recognise it at all.
09:00<twb>usb sound is non-trivial IIRC
09:01<NinjaMan>wornwinter - are you using a custom kernel?
09:01<wornwinter>Nope, just the amd64 one which was already there.
09:01<NinjaMan>wornwinter : ok
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09:03<wornwinter>Hmm, I did an lsusb, it realises it's there anyway =/
09:03<twb>That means it can see it on the bus
09:03<twb>Then you have to confirm you can talk to it "raw"
09:03<wornwinter>How do I do that?
09:03<twb>Then you have to confirm you can talk to it meaningfully
09:03<twb>I don't know.
09:04<twb>Probably by loading the appropriate module
09:04<twb>Step #1 is usually to JFGI for the string returned by lsusb
09:05<NinjaMan>wornwinter: have you looked at this and confirmed that your soundcard is supported by ALSA?
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09:06<NinjaMan>twb / _MDC__ : do either of you use p3scan to scan pop3 email?
09:07<_MDC__>NinjaMan, nope
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09:08<kharn>question: I installed fedora the other day to have a looksee - and noticed that its bootmessages were all very aesthetically pleasing ... laid out etc... any way to do this in deb?
09:08<NinjaMan>twb / _MDC__ : or know how to change the group under which a file is created by a process?
09:08<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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09:08<NinjaMan>LOL well I guess I got schooled!
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09:09<twb>You change the process' egid, or simply issue a chgrp call after the file exists.
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09:09<twb>kharn: yes, but it's very tedious and painful
09:10<twb>kharn: first, make sure the files in /etc/init.d/* use /lib/lsb/init-functions and call its functions correctly, as defined by the LSB.
09:10<twb>kharn: secondly, rewrite that file to look more like RH's version thereof.
09:10<NinjaMan>twb: hmmm :-? - ok I'll take a look at the /etc/init.d file
09:11<twb>kharn: this isn't something a newbie is capable of doing safely.
09:11<kharn>twb: fair enough ....
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09:11<kharn>twb: i might just leave the aesthetics out of it for the time being :P
09:11<kharn>twb: thanks :)
09:12<twb>NinjaMan: you don't appear to have described the problem that you're trying to solve by manipulating the egid
09:13<NinjaMan>twb: apologies - I have a standard debian setup of p3scan with clamav
09:13<NinjaMan>twb: and I want to use clamdscan as the scanning mechanism
09:14<NinjaMan>twb: but to do this clamd needs access to the temp files created by p3scan
09:14<NinjaMan>twb: now p3scan runs as user p3scan and clamd as user clamav
09:14<NinjaMan>twb: and I have but the clamav user in the p3scan group and enabled "AllowSupplementaryGroups" in the clamav config
09:15<NinjaMan>but after investigation, I realised this doesn't work because
09:15<NinjaMan>twb: although p3scan drops root privileges as a user and goes to p3scan, the group id is still that of root
09:15<twb>NinjaMan: sounds like a bug
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09:16<NinjaMan>twb: yes I agree, or at least p3scan should be able to change it's group as well as it's user
09:16<NinjaMan>twb: I guess I could start it as p3scan:p3scan using the start-stop-daemon
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09:17<NinjaMan>twb: but I guess that would cause problems - maybe it would fail to bind a socket/port
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09:18<fxiny>sounds like sarge exim+clamav permission issue (could not read spool) . back in sarge i did #adduser clamav Debian-exim
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09:18<_MDC__>twb/NinjaMan - more dhcp problem; I can't renew on one of the interfaces because it's the same dhcp server and it is routed via the other interface. I need some routing ninja skills; force routing to a subnet from the same as the source
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09:18<NinjaMan>fxiny: yes I did the equivalent, but the temporary files are not being created under the correct group to make that wrk
09:19<fxiny>did you restart the daemon ?
09:19<twb>22:37 <twb> _MDC__: are they all connecting to the same network? 22:37 <twb> If so, you could trunk
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09:20<NinjaMan>fxiny: yes
09:20<_MDC__>twb, ok - then how do i do that?
09:20<twb>Step #1 is to put GNU/Linux, Solaris or Cisco on the other end.
09:20<NinjaMan>but if the temp files created, have group root and not "Debian-exim" (from your example), then adding clamav to the group will not allow it to access them
09:21<twb>Step #2 is google.
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09:21<NinjaMan>_MDC__ do you have policy routing configured in your kernel?
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09:22<_MDC__>twb, but it's not the same network, ie I get a 10.X.X.X adress on one interface and a normal public on the other..
09:22<NinjaMan>_MDC__: I believe that would allow you to route according to source as well as destination
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09:22<_MDC__>NinjaMan, i'm not that good at advanced routing (yet) ;-)
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09:23<NinjaMan>_MDC__: unfortuntately neither am I ;)
09:24<NinjaMan>_MDC__: but imagine it would not be too complex, once the right tools were availabe
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09:26<NinjaMan>_MDC_ : what is the error message that you encounter?
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09:27<_MDC__>NinjaMan, dhclient sends a request out on the wrong interface and don't get the reply on the right interface and therefore ignores it (my guess)
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09:27<barikulkol_pogi>is there any linux messenger that connects to yahoo with voice and webcam support?
09:28<fxiny>NinjaMan: google keys "etch p3scan clamav" seems to give a solution : follow the french link "comment mettre..."
09:28<NinjaMan>barikulkol_pogi: yes gyachE Improved
09:28<barikulkol_pogi>i have installed gyachE on freespire and it doesn't work
09:28<NinjaMan>fxiny: I will check it out thanks
09:28<barikulkol_pogi>but it works on linuxmint
09:28<barikulkol_pogi>but no mic
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09:29<fxiny>NinjaMan: lemme know if it works so i'll add to my notes . i'm not running p3scan
09:30<NinjaMan>fxiny: ok
09:31<NinjaMan>barikulkol_pogi: ok - I've not used freespire, buy gyachE is the closest you will get to a working Yahoo client
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09:31<barikulkol_pogi>what do you think is the best linux distro for an internet cafe?
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09:31<NinjaMan>barikulkol_pogi: unless the yahoo desgined client has been updated to handle these features
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09:32<NinjaMan>barikulkol_pogi: it depends on what your criteria are :)
09:32<fxiny>yahoo changed something on fools day :P
09:32<fxiny>maybe to keep fat Ball* off :P
09:32<barikulkol_pogi>i need gaming and internet
09:32<barikulkol_pogi>fucking yahoo messenger
09:33<barikulkol_pogi>no client for freespire
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09:33<barikulkol_pogi>even for linux mint
09:33<fxiny>nor for linux in general i think
09:33<barikulkol_pogi>yes correct
09:33<fxiny>after 1 April
09:33<barikulkol_pogi>can we do something to those windows-inclined yahoo messenger?
09:34<fxiny>yes : han 'em high :P
09:34<barikulkol_pogi>hack them?
09:34<fxiny>just wait
09:34<barikulkol_pogi>i want to destroy their servers
09:34<barikulkol_pogi>if i could
09:35<fxiny>not my cup of tea
09:35<barikulkol_pogi>but i'm just new to computer
09:35<barikulkol_pogi>only about a year
09:35<barikulkol_pogi>working with computers
09:35<barikulkol_pogi>i even sleep with my computers
09:35<barikulkol_pogi>i ate on my keyboard
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09:35<NinjaMan>barikulkol_pogi: have you tried wine with an old version of the windows yahoo client?
09:36<fxiny>old yahoo are off
09:36<barikulkol_pogi>problems with dependencies
09:36<fxiny>they do not connect
09:36<barikulkol_pogi>yes even the new one, yahoo 8.1
09:36<NinjaMan>fxiny: what part of this document are directing me towards? (my french is not great)
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09:37<barikulkol_pogi>microsoft and yahoo
09:37<fxiny>NinjaMan: let iceweasel searching p3scan
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09:37<barikulkol_pogi>seems to be collaborating against linux users
09:38<barikulkol_pogi>in the Philippines stupid teachers only teach students about microsoft windows
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09:38<barikulkol_pogi>i hate teachers who taught their students windows microsoft
09:38<Gekz>windows microsoft
09:38<fxiny>NinjaMan: down to "add the following lines to your pop3vscan"
09:38<Gekz>thats a new one
09:38<barikulkol_pogi>i am a teacher also but what i want my students to learn is linux
09:38<barikulkol_pogi>microsoft windows
09:40<fxiny>winstoze :P
09:40<grub>hello, I have a remote server, that seems to go down for some period of time. By going down i mean, it doesn't respond to pings, or i can't even connect to it ( ssh, http, etc). I can though, ping other servers in the subnet. When i can access it later, i see the system hasn't rebooted. Where should i be looking at, to know what goes wrong? /var/log/messages?
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09:41<NinjaMan>fxiny: thanks - I know it will work if I force clamd and p3scan to run as the same user, but I'm try to avoid that
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09:41<NinjaMan>fxiny: I would like to manage the problem through the group permissions scheme
09:41<NinjaMan>fxiny: and the debianised version is supposed to do that
09:42<fxiny>NinjaMan: why not adding both to exim group
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09:42<fxiny>like as i said sarge calam+exim ?
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09:43<NinjaMan>fxiny: the temp files are bing created with owner/group of p3scan:root
09:44<fxiny>i see
09:45<grub>what does syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart. mean? the system wasn't restarted
09:45<NinjaMan>fxiny: I need them to be created with p3scan:p3scan - as in the debian literature
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09:46<tsp>grub: it means taht syslogd was restarted
09:46<NinjaMan>grub: it means syslogd has been restarted
09:47<fxiny>grub: that is ok
09:47<NinjaMan>grub: probably after a log file rotation
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09:47<grub>i see
09:47<grub>ok, i see kernel: eth0: Media Link Off
09:47<grub>in kern.log
09:48<grub>and then ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
09:48<grub>after some time, so it means the eth was unplugged from the system, right?
09:48<grub>for that specified time
09:48<fxiny>NinjaMan: have you checked /usr/share/doc/p3scan for a debian README ?
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09:50<NinjaMan>fxiny: for sure
09:51<NinjaMan>grub: I can't be sure, but that would be a good interpretation
09:51<NinjaMan>grub: possibly indicating a hardware problem
09:51<grub>NinjaMan: i see only those two lines, nothing between them
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09:54<fxiny>NinjaMan: from the wiki to faq same solution as the french page :
09:55<fxiny>have you tried that one ?
09:55<fxiny>if that won't work check the BTS
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09:56<triplc>in order to "reinstall everything" of apache2, i run "apt-get --purge remove apache2" then "rm -rf /etc/apache2", then "apt-get install apache2". it's the problem!! now i have /etc/apache2 virtually empty (only one directory mods-available). please tell me how to **truely** reinstall that package
09:56<NinjaMan>fxiny: yes I have this configuration correct, and I have tracked it down to a permission problem
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09:56<NinjaMan>fxiny: the debian resources - assume the temp files are created in with group as p3scan and not root
09:57<fxiny>triplc: apt-get install --reinstall <packagename>
09:57<NinjaMan>grub: are you using a debian system?
09:57<gsimmons>!tell triplc -about confmiss
09:58<NinjaMan>triplc: when you uninstalled apache2 - it will have uninstalled all of the dependent modules at the same time
09:59<NinjaMan>triplc: but in many cases this is a one-way dependence, so when installing again, you will have to re-install some of this modules separately
10:00<NinjaMan>triplc: did you make a note of what exactly was installed, before you uninstalled it all?
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10:00<magno>Bom dia a todos
10:01<magno>alguém sabe me responder qual será a data oficial do lançamentos do UBUNTU 8.4?
10:01<triplc>NinjaMan: yeah... i do it now, and looks like it works
10:01<grub>NinjaMan: yeah
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10:01<grub>NinjaMan: debian etch
10:02<kop>!tell mango -about br
10:02<NinjaMan>grub: you tried replacing the cable?
10:03<grub>NinjaMan: its a remote host :)
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10:03<NinjaMan>grub: ok
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10:04<NinjaMan>grub: do you know if eth0 is a wireless card?
10:04<NinjaMan>hi x03
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10:05<grub>NinjaMan: its not afaik
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10:05<kop>grub : Bad port on the switch on the remote end?
10:05<grub>hmm, that might be the case
10:06<NinjaMan>grub: if it was a wireless, it might be something you can solve on the software side
10:06<NinjaMan>grub: outside of that it is probably h/w problem
10:07<grub>ok, apart from that i see in auth.log a lot of failed login attempts from lots of ips. I installed denyhosts after that. I was wondering isn't there a way to stop those random login attemps? How do they get the ips?
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10:07<kop>grub: It's random probing.
10:08<NinjaMan>grub: agree with kop
10:08<NinjaMan>kop: are you a liverpool fc supporter?
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10:08<NinjaMan>grub: use iptables to block all connections except the ones you authorise
10:09<kop>NinjaMan : Nope, not me. I know Liverpool is in England...
10:09<grub>shouldn't denyhosts, fail2ban be enough?
10:09<kop>grub : I like the pam_abl module. Somebody claimed it's got a memory leak but not that I can see.
10:09<NinjaMan>Kop: ok - The Kop is the name of their most famous stand in their stadium
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10:09<kop>NinjaMan : Hot dog stand?
10:10<NinjaMan>Kop: no seating area, people used to literally stand to watch the matches
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10:10<kop>grub : Last I looked pam_abl is not in debian. :-(
10:10<NinjaMan>kop: but all seater stadium policy changed that
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10:10<NinjaMan>kop: a few disasters to many
10:11<NinjaMan>grub: deny hosts should work - yes
10:11<NinjaMan>grub: there a re a few ways to skin this cat
10:11<kop>grub: You can use public/private keys to login. That's the best. Then deny password access.
10:12<NinjaMan>grub: iptables could drop the packets and prevent a ddos
10:12<kop>grub : Also opie.
10:12<NinjaMan>grub: how many clients do you need to be able to connect from?
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10:12<kop>I don't worry a lot about ddos. Once someone's doing that then your bandwidth is shot anyhow so ....
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10:13<kop>grub: One time password entry. Single use pad.
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10:13<grub>NinjaMan: ssh from my laptop only. But i am on dynamic ip.
10:14<kop>grub: The first step is to deny root login (with password or totally.)
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10:14<grub>yeah, i have done that already
10:15<siglindes_horst>hi peeps
10:15<NinjaMan>grub: then kop's way is the way
10:15<NinjaMan>grub: plus change the port to something random
10:15<fxiny>what about /etc/sshusers-allowed ?
10:15<grub>hmm, changing the port should help
10:16<NinjaMan>grub: and high
10:16<grub>fxiny: ooh, whats that?
10:16<grub>only allow ssh for the users i mention?
10:16<fxiny>grub: read official debian hardening doc
10:16<NinjaMan>grub: many port scanners, don't bother scanning the whole range
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10:16<grub>I also have chkrootkit installed, which doess a daily check
10:17<NinjaMan>grub: but definitely replace password authentication with public key
10:17<fxiny>grub: that is almost useless : tripwire samhain aide ?
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10:17<grub>fxiny: chkrootkit is useless?
10:17<grub>yeah, i have tripwire as well
10:18<NinjaMan>grub: these things will help you deduce if you've been comprimised
10:18<kop>I like that apt thingie that checks the package checksums.
10:18<NinjaMan>grub: they are not preventative
10:18<grub>NinjaMan: why i didnt do it before ( public key) was because then i wouldnt be able to login from anywhere in case my system isn't around
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10:19<grub>I think the hardering doc should be useful
10:19<kop>grub : That's what single use passwords are for. Log in safely from a rooted host.
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10:19<grub>hmm, i think i should do it then.
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10:20<NinjaMan>grub: I believe there a way to get around the problem, as you can certainly remote install keys
10:21<fxiny>grub: check out a proper baseliner like ftimes . it can show you all details tripwire and friends are not configured to .
10:22<fxiny>unfortunately is not debianized AFAIK
10:22<kop>fxiny : *idea* *bing!* I think I'll run samhain on my backup server. That way if a host is comprimised (and still backs up) the intruder can't mess with the intrusion detection. (duh)
10:23<fxiny>kop: i run both tripwire and samhain but i trust only ftimes cause is the only one designed to monitor everything
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10:24<fxiny>kop: if i have a doubt i check ftimes to see what happened then i replace my backups .
10:26<NinjaMan>Does anyone know how i can tell what group a process is running under?
10:26<NinjaMan>is there a suitable option on the "ps" command
10:27<avu>NinjaMan, ogroup
10:27<NinjaMan>avu: thanks
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10:28<NinjaMan>avu: I guess this is something I need to install
10:28<avu>NinjaMan, no
10:28<fxiny>man ps
10:28<fxiny>NinjaMan: ^^
10:28<avu>NinjaMan, it's an option for ps
10:29<NinjaMan>avu : aaaaaah :)
10:29<wnd>I think you can also get gid from /proc/<pid>/status
10:29<fxiny>NinjaMan: vib negative :P
10:30<NinjaMan>fxiny, avu, wnd: thx guys
10:30<tingle>does anyone know a good iso burning app for debian etch? no cli apps please
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10:33<cahoot>wodim my.iso is too harsh?
10:34<fxiny>leet :)
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10:35<amphi>but 'wodim' is a much more intuitive name than 'cdrecord'
10:35<siglindes_horst>dl a clickthing for nautilus to burn isos :)
10:36<NinjaMan>fxiny: I got p3scan working now by adding '--group p3scan' to the start-stop-daemon commands in /etc/init.d/p3scan
10:36<NinjaMan>fxiny: not pretty, but it will tide me over until they fix the bug
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10:37<fxiny>NinjaMan: ok
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10:42<Bravewolf>hello all! what about #463833?
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10:46<NinjaMan>is reportbug, the best way for me to report supposed bugs in debian packages?
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10:55<user01>how do i install realplayer? it shows up on the list of package names but cant be installed
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10:59<user01>oh helix player can do most every thing of realplayer? i can do ra rm ram files?
10:59<MoDaX>user01: other players can play realplayer specific files too
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11:59<kvas>Hi, where is russian chanel debian-server?
11:59<dpkg>it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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12:01<fullnob>where should I ask about SPARC install issues?
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12:04<dpkg>sparc is probably the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on
12:05<fullnob>noflash: thanks
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12:09<myki>Hello. I have a question about loading modules. I want to launch script creating udev node everytime module x loads. What's the proper way to achieve that?
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12:25<Mrkva>hi :) i have another question... is possible to enable DRI for secondary X session? (intel driver, debian sid, 64bit)
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12:26<amphi>Mrkva: not AFAIK - DRI2 will be able to I believe
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12:30<Mrkva>that's bad :(
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12:31<enlace_>necesito ayuda
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12:38<homer>How do i install grub on an already installed system in rescue mode???????????????????????/
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12:39<grub_>grub-install /dev/whatver
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12:39<homer>grub, but i can't get it
12:39<grub_>can't get what?
12:40<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
12:40<grub_>if that's what you wanted.
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12:40<homer>no i didn't i simply installed a debian system and it fail in the installation of the grub
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12:41<homer>WOWWW i should start by saying i'm a newbe, learning to love debian
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12:42<homer>please be more detailed as to what i need to do
12:42<intheboat>homer that's great linux and Debian
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12:43<homer>grub, it doesn't recognize the grub-install command
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12:43<homer>intheboat , i also think so
12:44<homer>dpkg, i will appreciate it alot if you could take me a step at a time
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12:44<grub_>dpkg is a bot
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12:44<grub_>homer: aren't you root?
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12:45<homer>I am root, im in rescue mode
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12:45<homer>grub, the deal is like that, i installed a debian system and after installation finished just when it began the grub install phase
12:45<fxiny>homer: are you root now on irc ? remember Achilles .... :)
12:46<homer>it crashed, and i am happy that happened
12:46<homer>because i could learn how to fix
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12:46<siglindes_horst>mount your / partition or /boot partition if you prepared one
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12:46<siglindes_horst>then grub-install /dev/sda or /dev/hda ....depends on your hardware
12:47<homer>fxiny, how do i check that?
12:47<homer>i don't think so though
12:47<homer>from that partition?
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12:49<homer>siglindes_horst, i don't understand what you mean by mounting my boot partition
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12:49<homer>Can someone please guide me one stap at a time
12:50<homer>grub, ?????
12:50<siglindes_horst>i dont think that your / root partition is writeable after booting to rescue mode
12:52<siglindes_horst>ive never used debian rescue mode....
12:52<siglindes_horst>i use knoppix instead
12:53<homer>so what should i do?
12:53<homer>siglindes_horst, ?
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12:54<siglindes_horst>mount your root partiton to /media/sdaX
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12:54<siglindes_horst>you have to look for the device name.....sda1...sda2...or whatever
12:54<homer>siglindes_horst , ok sec
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12:55<siglindes_horst>how many partitions do you created ?
12:55<siglindes_horst>sata or ide harddisc ?
12:55<homer>it's installed on a virtual machine, i created 3 partitions
12:55<homer>how do i know which is the root ?
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12:56<pepe>fdisk -l
12:56<homer>it's all disguised as ide i think
12:56<pepe>look at the sizes
12:56<homer>no, virtual box
12:56<siglindes_horst>you can look at the directory if your not sure....after you mounted the partiton
12:57<homer>ok sec
12:57<siglindes_horst>if you see the unix tree....youre in the root partition :-D
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12:57<siglindes_horst>look for a /boot directory
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12:58<homer>i found it a few times but it's an empty directory in every time
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12:59<coldx>hi, i just installed fluxbox, and i'm missing the startup file in .fluxbox.. you guys know what might be wrong?
12:59<homer>how do i do ls that stops on a page and waits for key press to keep going down???
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13:01<siglindes_horst>ls | more
13:01<siglindes_horst>ls | less
13:01<amphi>ls | most
13:02<amphi>coldx: you must create it? I expect there's an example in /usr/share/doc/fluxbox somewhere
13:02<homer>it doesn't know most
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13:02<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
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13:03<homer>siglindes_horst, I can't find the correct root partition
13:03<siglindes_horst>mount hda1 to hda3 one by one....
13:03<coldx>k, i'll just create it, but i installed fluxbox couple times before and the startup file was always there..
13:04<siglindes_horst>dpkg-reconfigure -plow fluxbox ??
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13:04<amphi>packages should never write anything under /home
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13:05<homer>siglindes_horst, OK i mounted /dev/hda3, it has a boot directory in it, but it's again an empty directory
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13:06<homer>siglindes_horst, for some wierd reason i see about 24 hda partitions
13:06<homer>i also have hdb and hdc
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13:06<homer>it's weird
13:07<siglindes_horst>hdb1 hdb2 hdb3 or just hdb??? maybe youre dvdrom cdrom
13:07<siglindes_horst>nothing weird :D
13:07<homer>it's hda1 hda2 ... hda24
13:08<homer>how am i supposed to fix this sticky situation?
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13:08<siglindes_horst>if you got only 3 partitions only hda1 - hda3 is valid
13:08<homer>there has to be a way, it's not windows
13:09<homer>ok i understand but still the boot directory is empty
13:09<siglindes_horst>sfdisk -l /dev/hda
13:09<siglindes_horst>empty is okay
13:09<homer>ohhhhhhhh then what do i do next?
13:09<siglindes_horst>you have to install step
13:10<fxiny>hda4 ? so hda3 is extended , you can't mount hda3
13:10<siglindes_horst>try a touch blabla in the mounted directory....
13:10<fxiny>lemme scroll
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13:10<siglindes_horst>to see if the directory is writeable
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13:11<homer>it's writable
13:12<homer>siglindes_horst, what's next?
13:12<fxiny>a virtual box ?
13:13<siglindes_horst>grub-install /dev/hdXX ....should work...i hope
13:14<fxiny>24 hda partitions ? that's the default limit
13:14<homer>it sais command not found on grub-install
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13:14<homer>fxiny, yep that's what it shows
13:15<homer>it's in a virual box machine
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13:15<siglindes_horst>what grub commands are available ?
13:15<homer>no grub what so every
13:15<fxiny>homer: so if its' virtual why you don't reistall ?
13:15<siglindes_horst>he want to learn troubleshooting :-D
13:16<homer>because it's a good place to learn something i might stambble uppon in the furure on a real machine
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13:16<homer>that's write
13:16<homer>I am migrating to debian so i wan't to learn it well
13:16<grub_>you checked if it isn't a virtualbox issue?
13:16<homer>don't laugh at me please :)
13:16<grub_>you're tring to install etch?
13:16<fxiny>homer: and why are you installing debian in a virtual box ? you won't learn anything .
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13:17<homer>it's a debian in a virtual box upon my real system on the pc
13:17<homer>it's for experimenting before destroying my pc :)
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13:18<fxiny>homer: you won't destroy anything : installing debian is safe
13:18<homer>i didn't check if it's a virtual box issue, yet i already installed one before with no problem
13:18<homer>yep, but experimenting isn't :)
13:18<homer>grub, yes i am installing etch
13:19<homer>I just want to learn how to dill with such a situation
13:19<homer>deal!!! ofcourse
13:19<fxiny>homer: easy : make two partitions . say 3.5G for your system and whatever you like for home, easy
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13:19<siglindes_horst>you can install lenny from windows :-D i read something about that...somewhere :-P
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13:20<homer>but now when i want to install the grub boot loader after the system installation was finished. how do i do that?
13:20<siglindes_horst>or was it ubuntu ??? dont know
13:20<acu>I have a broadcom wireless Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 02), I use lenny on AMD64 laptop and just updated the system to kernel 2.6.24 the broadcom wifi does not work (It did not work before either) how I can clean all settings from previous attempts (I tried fwcutter and the ndiswraper - how can I remove all the settings initiated by previous installs (attempts) ?
13:20<beer>I think that was ubuntu
13:20<fxiny>homer: you need one more for swap . leave them at the hd end so you can delete enlarge as you will , no porbs
13:21<homer>so no one knows how to help me??????????????/
13:21<siglindes_horst>got one for ya
13:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 351] by debhelper
13:22<siglindes_horst>debian installer debian.exe
13:22<homer>i can't explain it but when i press alt+tab, i get option in which i see grub-install but can't run it
13:22<siglindes_horst>maybe you have to enter the whole path
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13:23<siglindes_horst>/sbin/grub-install or something like that
13:23<siglindes_horst>path variable issue
13:23<beer>dam. nvidia-glx is broken in sid, missing in lenny and to old in etch
13:24<siglindes_horst>no one need 3d accleration :-D
13:24<siglindes_horst>vesa driver roxx :-D
13:25<Gathond>beer: well not more broken than you having to use moduleassistant to compile and install the kernel module first iirc
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13:25<beer>need to google moduleasstant. Never used it before
13:26<hardik>I am a sid user (actually sidux)
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13:27<hardik>I am searching for an automounter for cdrom ...whcih can be used with a wm like fluxbox
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13:28<FertustaGambatti>Hi everybody.
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13:29<beer>stupid qustion of the day: Is there only a testing and stable netinstall'er or is there also an unstable installer?
13:30<FertustaGambatti>There is an unstable
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13:31<beer>hmm, sun-java6-plugins in sid seems broken
13:32<fxiny>update-alternatives ?
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13:33<FertustaGambatti>Question about opening Lenny net ports: When calling somebody with Ekiga, they can accept the call, but I never get a confirmation, so the call is not established. I've been looking on the net for 3+ hours without success.
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13:33<craigevil>beer: it has a bad Depends
13:34<beer>will it be fixed in a few days or shall I just stetle with the lenny version?
13:34<tingle>i would like to install a game but it needs java what package should i install under lenny?
13:34<craigevil>its been that way for a couple of weeks, hopefully it will be fixed soon
13:35<craigevil>if you need java i would stick with the version in lenny
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13:35<tingle>craigevil: ?
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13:36<craigevil>tingle: apt-get update && apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin [or -jdk, for dev-work] ; then do: update-alternatives --config java
13:37<craigevil>beer: are you running lenny or Sid?
13:38<beer>atm I am running sid
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13:39<craigevil>you can install sun-java6, then grab the plugin from the sidux forum, someone there built a deb without the bad depends
13:39<beer>tx I will do that
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13:43<beer>tx again. What will Debian be without the comunity?
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13:46<beer>I am wondering why people use Debian. I use it becouse I can install the things I need and leave out those parts I dont need
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13:48<craigevil>beer: i use it because of APT, and the 25k package i can install with a simple apt-get install, plus sid is the closest you can get to bleeding edge with crshing all the time
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13:50<siglindes_horst>i was right
13:50<ma3x>how can i install usb headphones?
13:51<siglindes_horst>plug in ??
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13:56<kharn>question : I am having trouble getting sound up and running - have tested headphones on other system, no probs, onboard ac97 audio, shows up in lspci and alsaconf - been googling my butt off for an hour ... any ideas?
13:57<ma3x>siglindes_horst: it's a usb headphones
13:58<Torsten_W>kharn: cat /proc/asound/cards
13:58<ma3x>yes plugged in
13:58<ma3x>Torsten_W: me?
13:58<Torsten_W>ma3x: are you kharn?
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13:59<kharn>Torsten_W: it's listed
13:59<Torsten_W>ma3x: but cat /proc/asound/cards should show your usb-headset to
13:59<Torsten_W>kharn: can i see the output?
13:59<ma3x>it does
13:59<ma3x> 1 [U0xd8c0x0c ]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0xd8c:0x0c
13:59<ma3x> USB Device 0xd8c:0x0c at usb-0000:00:1d.1-2, full speed
13:59<ma3x>but i can't hear anything on the headphones
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14:00<Torsten_W>ma3x: u have played witrh the mixer-settings?
14:00<ma3x>Torsten_W: yes but there is only master and pcm for the integrated card
14:00<ma3x>nothing for the usb one
14:00<ma3x>in alsamixer
14:00<Torsten_W>then i can't help you, i don't use usb-sound
14:01<Torsten_W>kharn: go th #alsa on and ask there
14:01<kharn>ok Torsten_W thanks :)
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14:12<avtobiff>what was the name of the minimal gnome DE?
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14:13<beer>gnome-core I think
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14:31<Requiem>this has got to be the screwyest bug I've ever seen
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14:32<siglindes_horst>2.6.25 next week heh?
14:32<weasel>then you can't have seen many :)
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14:35<Requiem>I fix windows for a living, screwy bugs make up my paycheck
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14:44<Requiem>what group does the user need access to to manage network connections?
14:45<weasel>and no, just group root is not good enough
14:45<weasel>you need to be root to do network stuff.
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14:45<weasel>or, if you are just asking about network manager then it's netdev.
14:45<trueno>Hi! is there a way to include apache logs onto logwatch's mail reports?
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14:51<S4rk4stik>bonne nuit tout le monde les gens
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14:57<Requiem>huh, not the group issue this time
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14:57<Requiem>screw it, this thing is borked ten ways from sunday, I just need to redo the install
14:58<tin>anybody know how to compartmentalize the key ring?
14:58<tin>cause now i enter in my keyring password to connect to my wpa wifi and don't get prompted when i open a root terminal...
14:59<Requiem>maybe just take the root password out of the keyring altogether?
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14:59<tin>i was thinking about that
15:00<Requiem>what keyring do you use?
15:00<tin>the default that comes with etch
15:00<Requiem>there's more than one
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15:02<tin>one sec
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15:05<tin>i suppose its the gnome keyring manager, but i can't find where its hiding
15:05<Requiem>hmm, only one I seem to have is KDE wallet, dunno what the gnome people get
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15:08<tin>i suppose i delete my wpa keyword and replace it with a supplicant file
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15:15<Dave_>hi, need a bit of help if anyone's available
15:15<petemc>just ask
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15:16<Dave_>i'm trying to set up a debian etch server on a spare pc, but the only available network card i've got is a wireless one, which i've installed but it wont recognise. It's a Sweex Wireless PCI card. I've looked around forums and such but can't find a solution
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15:17<petemc>check the exact chipset with lspci , google for that
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15:18<Guest1556>hi, lenny stopped working few days ago after an update... gdm doesn't start. help! :)
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15:19<Dave__>sorry, my connection was reset so i dunno if anyone gave me an answer to my wireless card problem
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15:19<or>you should use windows it s easier to setup
15:20<Dave__>yeah, but don't i have to pay for windows?
15:20<or>it depends if you respect law or not
15:20<Dave__>plus i don't much like it
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15:20<or>hmm you should use ubuntu then :p
15:20<Torsten_W>Guest1556: was the kernel updated?
15:20<Dave__>tried that
15:20<Dave__>same problem
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15:20<Dave__>couldn't tell you
15:20<Dave__>noob alas
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15:21<Guest1556>Torsten_W: i suppose yes, but new version hasn;t appeared in the grub (minor update?)
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15:21<or>so you said you tried ubuntu
15:22<ectodave>debian at least offered me a list of cards to choose from
15:22<or>another distro for noob exists though : pardus
15:22<Guest1556>Torsten_W: I've got 2.6.24-1-686
15:22<Torsten_W>Guest1556: paste the output from grepp EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:22<or>it s good for a desktop use
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15:22<Torsten_W>Guest1556: paste the output from grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:22<ectodave>yeah, desktop works fine
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15:22<ectodave>its the server im having trouble setting up
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15:22<Guest1556>Torsten_W: (EE) intel(0): I830 Vblank Pipe Setup Failed 0
15:22<Guest1556>Torsten_W: 3 times
15:23<or>you didn't say it was a wifi problem
15:23<ectodave>i didn't?
15:23<ectodave>hope we're not getting our wires crossed
15:23<or>so what's the link between a server
15:23<or>and wifi ?
15:23<ectodave>i basically said it wouldn't recognise my wireless card
15:23<tin>running a wifi server
15:23<ectodave>when it's detecting network hardware
15:23<or>lol yeahhh very secure :)
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15:24<ectodave>not too bothered about security, not using it for anything major
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15:24<tin>you might not use it for anything major, but if i was your neighbor, i might :-D
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15:24<or>hmm me too i really need a new svn reop
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15:24<or>what s your card
15:25<ectodave>well, if you can point me in the direction of a ethernet card that costs under a fiver delivered, i'm sorted
15:25<ectodave>its a sweex wifi one
15:25<ectodave>surely i can trust all you nice chaps in here not to use my honestly and naivety against me?
15:26<tin>does this help?
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15:26<or>i don't know this brand but do you have some drivers with it ? I mean linux driver
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15:26<tin>it looks like you need r1796
15:26<tin>i'd also reccomend wpa for server purposes
15:26<or>wpa tkip + AES
15:27<tin>i can crack my wep router in 15 minutes, so i retired it for a wpa tkip compatable router that took me 2 weeks with a dictionary attack
15:27<tin>wpa is nasty to break because it hashes the passkey 4000+ times
15:27<petemc>i leave my wireless open
15:28<tin>if i'm ever in town, just ignore the champaign pt cruiser parked in your front yard
15:28<or>yeahhh i hop you live in middle of nowhere
15:28<or>because some people could use your connection for bad purpose
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15:28<petemc>what do i care if someone wants to use my shit?
15:29<tin>in my college apartment complex, some dude went through and changed all the open wireless networks to unsecured# and turned on wep
15:29<tin>where # was some number
15:29<ectodave>i pretty much do but now im very worried
15:30<ectodave>thanks for the help guys
15:30<tin>did we actually help?
15:30<or>we didn't really help U dude
15:30<tin>does it look like the r1796 might help?
15:30<tin>cause that's just a change in the kernel
15:30<or>btw : I'm not your guy buddy
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15:30<tin>i'm not your buddy, friend
15:31<or>i 'm not your firend guy
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15:31<tin>i think we just dissuaded him from running a server on wifi
15:32<or>yep maybe
15:32<or>even for my laptop
15:32<or>i don't use wifi
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15:32<tin>though in the long run, that will serve him far better than getting it working
15:32<ectodave_>sorry, missed the last couple of messages, connection reset
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15:32<ectodave_>any fancy copying and pasting for me?
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15:33<or>yep in private
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15:34<tin>i do run wifi on my laptop simply because if someone wants to sniff my packets, they're not gonna get much
15:34<or>this chan is not really alive does it
15:34<or>you know i m not a security expert
15:34<or>but even wpa sucks
15:34<tin>and if they do try to get on my network, my dns routs them to goatse, tubgirl, or /b on 4chan
15:35<tin>if they're not properly credentialed
15:36<tin>i'm also *this* close to getting a working script that injects random phrases into aim messages that aren't from properly credentialed and authorized computers
15:36<tin>they can have on, but they're not gonna get anything of mine and they're not gonna get much use and enjoyment out of my network
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15:37<or>hmmm I see :p so we both care about our privacy :p
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15:38<tin>i work in digital forensics (private sector), i know precisely what can and can't be found on a hard disk
15:38<ectodave>thanks for all the advice dudes ok?....see if i can get an ethernet card working instead.
15:38<ectodave>then if you dont mind ill come back for some help securing it!
15:38<or>yep good idea :p
15:38<or>if you use a server
15:39<tin>i make sure that i clean up what i don't want found from the places where i know that they can be found
15:39<or>you should use at least a software firewall
15:39<or>configure the routes
15:39<or>and some rules
15:39<tin>ectodave, the i'm not your guy, friend comment was a southpark reference
15:39<ectodave>i know
15:39<or>but some goole "howto conf" and there it is :)
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15:39<ectodave>or was kind enough to clue me in
15:39<or>btw gentoo howto are in my opinion the best
15:39<or>to have a good start
15:40<tin>if you really want to learn about networking and security, read the forums and try the backtrack slax build
15:40<ectodave>ah cheers
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15:40<tin>i use debian because i really enjoy having to bring my system back from the brink every time i compile custom drivers
15:41<or>yep unfortunatelly the linux kernel sucks a little :(
15:41<or>i really want to have a bsd with the packaging of debian
15:41<ectodave>bookmarked and ready to learn
15:41<tin>i've moved to the 2.6.22 for the ntfs-3g compatability
15:42<tin>by the way, ectodave, backtrack is found at the .org
15:42<or>you are on sid ?
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15:42<tin>running etch with a newer kernel
15:43<tin>i'm also gonna recompile it soon to allow for monitering mode
15:43<tin>then i'll try packet injection
15:43<tin>and once i have a debian build that can do wifi pentesting, i'll partition out my work computer's laptop hard disk
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15:44<or>yep it s a good idea
15:44<tin>i use backtrack 2 for pen-testing, but you can't use bt2 for much else besides pen-testing
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15:45<tin>when doing a security review, or if you are undergoing a security audit, its never a good thing when the it department gives you free reign to do whatever test is required to test security
15:45<or>actually in order to test my network
15:46<tin>they should, by reflex, require an order from above to allow it
15:46<or>i use in a DMZ a honeypot
15:46<ectodave>right, thanks again all
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15:47<or>it s interesting
15:47<or>sometimes to see
15:47<or>how hackers try to come in :)
15:47<tin>are you hosting anything on your ip?
15:47<tin>like do you have a static with a webserver or something?
15:48<or>you mean in the honeypot ?
15:48<or>or in my real network ?
15:48<tin>no, i have comcrap with dynamic ip and never get anything beyond the typical worm scan
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15:49<tin>but i don't host anything beyond my personal systems
15:50<or>hmmm I see
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16:02<tin>the trick is using real butter
16:02<tin>i know a lot of people don't like butter because of its high fat content and low smoke point, but when browning
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16:03<tin>no oil or spray can impart the flavor, tenderness, and crispiness of a good butter saute
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16:05<user01>blah i shouldnt have done the texlive full
16:06<tin>what's the issue?
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16:06<user01>it took like 3 hours to configure packages and then it got to swedish where there was an error and it quit
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16:07<user01>ran aptitude again and it is going to uninstall 1GB of unused tex packages
16:07<user01>which is basically undoing everything for 3 hours probably
16:07<tin>sweet, use that free space to create a new partition and install a feather linux
16:08<user01>for being around for awhile texlive is quite unstable
16:08<tin>i suppose
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16:09<user01>its a 9 year old computer on top of it
16:10<tin>do you need the swedish package?
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16:10<Supaplex>apt-get install swedish-chef
16:10<user01>i guess not i dont typeset a whole lot swedish
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16:10<tin>i'd suggest installing a core and only adding packages as you need them
16:11<user01>tin, yep
16:11<tin>and possibly doing a file system check
16:11<user01>yeah its a 9 year old hard drive
16:11<tin>depending on the error, you might have a bad file node, a bad sector, or some other problem
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16:12<user01>what is the command for ext3?
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16:13<user01>fxiny, thanks i usually have xfs
16:14<tin>some day, i will get linux running on an ntfs partition
16:14<user01>i installed the backport for adobe 9 player so now i can watch youtube video but it crashes once the video is done
16:14<tin>you don't have to backport it
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16:15<user01>tin, yeah i do ttp://
16:15<fxiny>atrope ? what version , 9.0 r124 ?
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16:16<fxiny>deadly as water :P
16:16<tin>what happened when you ran apt-get install flash-nonfree
16:16<user01>tin, wasnt in the repo
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16:17<fxiny>it gets stuff from atrope , i think
16:17<user01>had non-free in my sources
16:18<user01>fxiny, atrope?
16:18<fxiny>try gnash if you can , i cannot run it on this old box
16:18<fxiny>user01: yes . atrope flash slayer :P
16:18<tin>do your two deb entries look like this?
16:19<tin>deb etch main non-free contrib
16:19<tin>deb-src etch main non-free contrib
16:19<user01>tin, no i had a local mirror
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16:19<tin>but with the same non-free contrib?
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16:19<user01>tin, yep
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16:20<user01>i wonder if the disk is going bad
16:20<tin>could be
16:20<tin>or the old hardware doesn't like flash
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16:20<tin>however, i didn't have to backport mine
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16:21<fxiny>tin: what version are you running ?
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16:21<tin>of flash or etch?
16:21<user01>realplayer was listed in one column in synaptic and all the other columns were blank . . like the ver number
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16:22<tin>lnx 9,0,124,0
16:22<tin>according to this
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16:23<fxiny>about:plugins can tell you as well
16:24<fxiny>i know they have an applet for it
16:24<user01>fsck looks like such a dirty word
16:25<tin>i prefer fstab
16:25<tin>when i imagine "f" is short for "face"
16:25<user01>i havent had a tab in years wonder if they still make them
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16:26<tin>you should get kosher for passover coke (2 liter bottles with a yellow cap)
16:26<tin>quite tasty
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16:26<tin>cleaner on the pallette
16:26<user01>you could design your own t shirt at cafe press involving a knife a face and fstab
16:26<salmonix>Hi there, new to debian,so... I have compiled a kernel on the standard way (make && make modules),when I learned that I should have used make-kpkg / fakeroot etc. instead. However, will my kernel work if I install just with make install etc., or the kpkg etc. is obligatory? (as described at howtoforge/howto_debian_kernel_etch (or so)?
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16:27<Tarca1>Yours will work. That's how I do mine.
16:27<tin>haha, i've broken plenty of kernels using make-kpkg/fakeroot
16:27<tin>the old fashioned way is better
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16:28<salmonix>(huhhhhh) Thanx. Bye !
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16:28<Tarca1>The only benefit to the kpkg method, AFAIK, is that you wind up with a kernel package that you can move to other systems or uninstall.
16:29<user01>i thought you just aptitude a new kernel
16:29<tin>if you want custom options on your current kernel
16:29<tin>such as enabling monitering mode for your wifi card
16:29<tin>or switching from 386 to 686 processor
16:29<tin>removing components that you really odn't need
16:30<user01>couldnt you just remove the modules?
16:30<tin>you could, but what if you wanted to add kernel level actions?
16:31<tin>there's precisely 19.3 ways in linux to skin any small furry creature (i prefer pipes)
16:32<user01>whats funny is that i was installing debian for a family that was running a pirated version of windows
16:32<tin>should have gone with ubuntu
16:32<tin>its friendlier
16:32<tin>i am of the opinion that if you can't install debian, you can't run debian :)
16:33<user01>and the mother came in and saw the scary black screen white letters and kept saying "are you doing something illegal? youre doing something illegal arent you?"
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16:33<tin>should have replied something like "I just installed the bluetooth module and am bluesnarfing your cellphone, that's only illegal if you press charges"
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16:34<user01>the irony is that their computer had been running a bunch of pirated software but it didnt look illegal :)
16:35<user01>debian "looks illegal" at startup hehe
16:35<user01>i should put on a startup splash screen but i always hated that about ubunru
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16:36<tin>the thing about the legality of software is that piracy is only illegal if you are distributing, granted there are 101 addendums to the law, but mostly due to the fact that you are violating the eula which is a license saying "you should only run this if you own this"
16:36<tin>and because the license says "you should have paid someone for this license to run our software, if you don't have a license, you can't run this" they can go after you for violating a contract
16:36<Gathond>actually most EULA's specifically says you DON'T own this
16:37<Gathond>you just have a limited right to use it
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16:38<tin>they fall in line with books actually, if you buy windows, you get a cd containing windows that you can then use, if i buy lord of the rings, i get a copy of the book that i can read, granted the EULA strips more rights than are given with a book (nobody will complain if i do advanced analysis and reverse engineer gollum), i can't use the book to make a movie
16:39<tin>without getting advanced rights
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16:41<tin>it becomes fuzzier in my mind when you buy something online, and the real issue comes up of what do you "buy" when you pay for something
16:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 336] by debhelper
16:42<tin>it'd be interesting to see the kind of analysis you could get away with by performing a microscopic analysis of the markings on the bottom of the physical media you purchase in the windows box
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16:43<tin>say, one that was mailed to you by an unknown party in an unsolicited matter
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16:52<xxx>how can i change my nickname
16:52<dondelelcaro>xxx: with /nick
16:52<tin>do a /nick newname
16:52<tin>this wouldn't happen to be your pr0n browsing box, would it?
16:53<xxx>im sorry but my english sux at %0.001 .. my 1. language is turkish
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16:55<dpkg>well, tr is türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
16:55<dpkg>you are, like, a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages
16:56<dpkg>somebody said dpkg was the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>..
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16:56<testing>sorr but i use ubuntu
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16:56<noflash>testing, try #ubunto on
16:56<noflash>testing, try #ubuntu on
16:57<testing>that channel is poor :/
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16:57<noflash>and you're off topic
16:57<testing>what does off topic mean
16:58<tin>means that any questions you ask about ubuntu belong in #ubuntu
16:58<weasel>it means you are wrong here.
16:58<testing>i dont think so.. because ubuntu based debian
16:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:58<testing>based on debian i think
16:59<testing>im waiting for pardus 2008 :P
17:00<testing>can i add something about !pardus here
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17:01<testing>if it is possible what can i do
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17:04<LisaCat>is tehre some easy way to check how much bandwith a application is using?
17:05<Torsten_W>why shold be here a factoid for pardus?
17:05<alaya>even though there is kvm-source package, kvm is part of kernel. do they provide the source so that you can use a newer outside-kernel-tree source of it?
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17:06<alaya>LisaCat: maybe wireshark or iptraf or some other traffic monitoring tool
17:07<testing>it is linux
17:07<Torsten_W>testing: here is #debian, not #linux
17:07<rockstar>Is there a way to list all the packages install on an etch system from etch-backports?
17:07<Torsten_W>and pardus has nothing to do with debian
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17:08<rockstar>I seem to have broken dependencies, and I'm trying to figure out if backports is the reason
17:08<testing>is there any debian author here
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17:10<dpkg>i guess commands is The Linux command reference may be found here: and here:
17:11<dpkg>methinks irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons
17:11<testing>eye are see
17:11<alaya>testing: i don't care if you make one. there's info on factoids on some web site
17:11<weasel>testing: and stop abusing the bot
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17:11<alaya>testing: you can use /msg <topic> to query the bot privately. less annoying to people in channel
17:12<testing>it is not funny
17:12<alaya>testing: you have info on how to install it under debian?
17:12<testing>i have some free disks
17:12<alaya>great, i'd love to read it
17:12<testing>maybe i use it for debian
17:13<tin>alaya:This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. Before creating the page, please check if a similar page already exists.
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17:14<alaya> /msg dpkg help corrections
17:14<shivraj>I am trying to run openarena .. its a game
17:14<shivraj>it turns black then exits
17:14<alaya> /msg dpkg edit
17:15<alaya>shivraj: try to look for logging output. you can also run it with strace to get debugging output
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17:15<alaya>e.g. strace -s 128 -o /tmp/strace.out myapp
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17:17<shivraj>alaya : ok
17:18<tin>violent, sexy, multiplayer first person shooter?
17:18<tin>... sexy?
17:19<gosam[TOP]>I was rebuilding OO from the debian sources when a misclick stopped the process
17:19<gosam[TOP]>is there any way I can resume the building where it left
17:19<gosam[TOP]>it's something like 4 hours of waiting
17:20<alaya>gosam[TOP]: can't you just rerun dpkg-buildpackage? you might want to run dpkg-buildpackage clean first
17:20<alaya>cleaning will wipe what was already compiled though
17:20<gosam[TOP]>doing this will restart from zero, I want to keep the progress that was done
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17:22<testing>is thee any auto talker (bot) packet for kopete II pidding messenger?
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17:29<tq|Memphis>aehhea şakir is a turkish name
17:30<sys-admin>how do you know
17:30<sys-admin>but it is man name
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17:33<rockstar>Are there any bip users here?
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17:35<Onur|Basti>german people here?
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17:36<sys-admin>ola salut merhaba...
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17:36<Onur|Basti>ich versuche grade debian zu installieren
17:36<tq|Memphis> at freenode onur
17:36<Torsten_W>Onur|Basti: speak english
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17:36<Onur|Basti>im trying to install debian
17:36<Torsten_W>Onur|Basti: or /j
17:37<tq|Memphis>just tell the problem
17:37<Onur|Basti>after install the basis system i try to install the cd2
17:37<Onur|Basti>but i dont kown how to do this
17:38<dli>Onur|Basti, if you have net work, you don't need beyond cd1
17:38<tq|Memphis>you dont need to install cd2 to install debian
17:38<dpkg>it has been said that apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources. Ask me about apt-cdrom_external
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17:39<Onur|Basti>im installing debian on a laptop without network connections
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17:40<LisaCat>alaya: only bad thing with wireshark is that it gets all packages, and well... doesn't check per application
17:41<Onur|Basti>where i enter !apt-cdrom?
17:41<acu>i want to install lenny from a usb (obviously through the network). I have a HP AMD laptop with broadcom wireless and NVDIA vga card what should I do ? (I have 256 MB memory)
17:42<LisaCat>Onur|Basti> man apt-cdrom
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17:42<sys-admin>by the way.. can i set up debian to 2 gb kingston data traveller ?
17:42<tq|Memphis>to terminal Onur|Basti
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17:42<Onur|Basti>therminal meanings shell?
17:43<chealer>acu: why obviously through the network? did you look at the installation guide?
17:43<tq|Memphis>how did you install irs? are you at windows or?
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17:44<acu>chealer: I have only 256MB memory usb - and I want to install KDE, GNOME etc
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17:44<Onur|Basti>yes at my desktop pc
17:45<rockstar>Is there a good way to see why I might be getting the "Depends: <package> buit it is not going to be installed" problem, and how to fix it?
17:45<dli>Onur|Basti, still the easiest would be getting network for your laptop first
17:45<rockstar>I'm only used main contrib, non-free, and until recently (as in "this problem"), backports
17:45<tq|Memphis> /server than /join --> you find your answers there easly
17:45<dli>rockstar, backports :(
17:46<chealer>acu: you don't need to install these at the same time as you install Debian
17:46<rockstar>dli, yea, I pulled everything install from backports (bzr, mercurial)
17:46<chealer>sys-admin: what do you mean by setting up <OS> to <device>?
17:47<acu>chealer, do I need to format the usb in some way special to be able to boot or just copy .img to it ?
17:47<Torsten_W>tq|Memphis: there is also on oftc a german debian channel
17:47<sys-admin>i want to install debian to flash disc.. is it possible?
17:48<dli>acu, no, you have to read the installation manual
17:48<chealer>acu: did you look at the installation guide?
17:48<dli>sys-admin, of course, it's within the manual
17:49<dli>sys-admin, if your bios doesn't boot from usb, you may need a little bit tweaking
17:49<tq|Memphis>Torsten_W: than say to Onur|Basti that there is also on oftc a german debian channel , not me :/
17:49<acu>where is that ? ?
17:49<sys-admin>but i installed other OS but y laptop (lg r400) didnt see it start up.. what can i do
17:49<acu>can anyone pint to that ?
17:49<Torsten_W>tq|Memphis: [23:36:37] <Torsten_W> Onur|Basti: or /j
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17:50<tq|Memphis>:/ sory i missed it
17:50<dli>prepare usb-stick:
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17:51<chealer>acu: what, lenny's installation guide?
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17:53<az>anyone knows why wireless connection with b43 firmware is very slow compared to ndiswrapper? what can be done to fix the issue?
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17:54<dli>acu, unfortunately, the installation manual is terrible for newbie users:( it should have links to the needed files
17:54<rockstar>Fudge. Somehow, a newer version of libc6 got installed. How can I downgrade safely to the older version (the one in etch apt)
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17:58<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
17:58<sys-admin>see you
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18:08<user01>can you run fsck.ext3 from the netinstall disk?
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18:09<acu>man, you need a PhD in computers to get an installation of lenny from USB (I will boot now - cross fingers and pray to all Gods :) )
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18:09<tin>user01, that's what i use helix for, but knoppix plays the same role
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18:10<user01>tin, i guess i could burn one of those linux rescue disks to check my / partition
18:10<tin>yeah, i'm not sure what the netinst disk has in the way of command prompts
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18:11<user01>i just burn so many of them just in case i need them and then never have them when i need them
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18:12<tin>dir /s > driveout.txt
18:13<tin>if you really want to mess with people, on windows XP, open a command prompt, navigate to c:\ and type dir /s
18:13<tin>its equivalent to ls -r
18:14<user01>do asus eepcs run debian well?
18:15<azeem>they run debian, yes
18:15<azeem>well, xandros, which is based on debian
18:15<dpkg>, or, or #debian-eeepc @
18:17<rockstar>Is there a way I can use apt or dpkg to find out which packages are depending on the packages complaining?
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18:18<craigevil>debian runs just fine on the eeepc
18:19<user01>cool thanks
18:20<user01>they are about $100 more expensive than what i thought they would be though
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18:20<craigevil>paid $399 for mine plus $19 for 1Gb ram and $20 for a 8gb flash drive
18:20<user01>craigevil, havent seen them in person yet . . . are they nice?
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18:21<craigevil>tiny, the kb takes a bit of getting used to, but yeah very cool
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18:22<iamdac>just installed this 7.10 ubuntu, what do I need to do to get music for my ipod shuffle ?
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18:22<azeem>iamdac: please ask #ubuntu on
18:22<user01>craigevil, maybe get a rollup keyboard? :) but then you would have to use a us port for that
18:23<craigevil>user01: yeah saw a nice one on newegg for only $19
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18:23<user01>craigevil, smaller products are cool but i would be afraid of getting carpal tunnel from using it so much
18:23<craigevil>just bought a tiny usb mouse and a 8gb SD card this week
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18:24<iamdac>#join IRC freenode
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18:26<user01>grrrr i wish i was half as good at backing up files as i remind people to do
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18:31<user01>if you download a file check the checksum and it doesnt match, do you have to redownload the entire thing again or is there way to find out what bytes are incorrect?
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18:46<azeem>user01: try rsync, maybe
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19:11<azeem>andrust: passwd
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19:46<Guest1573>new at this
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20:04<keith>Etch.AMD64. I want to add a Winfast A280LE graphics card. Problem is when I install it there is no signal to the monitor. How do I get around that?
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20:06<keith>Etch.AMD64. I want to add a Winfast A280LE graphics card. Problem is when I install it there is no signal to the monitor to enable me to configure the card. How do I get around that?
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20:10<chealer>keith: you want to "add" a card to a currently unusable machine, right?
20:13<keith>No the machine is working fine. But when I install the Winfast, the original graphics card shuts down also. I have to remove the Winfast before the original will come back on.
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20:19<chealer>keith: is the original card integrated? what connector does the Winfast use?
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20:26<keith>Yes it is integrated. ie it comes with the motherboard. Both have the same connector-I don't know they're called. 15 pin blue plug.
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20:31<chealer>keith: so what you do is you turn off the PC, insert the Winfast, then turn on, and then you have no signal on either of the VGA cables?
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20:35<keith>That is correct. I have to remove the Winfast from the motherboard before the other will work.
20:37<acu>god - this is pure masochism I just see the blue light of the broadcom wifi on my AMD HP laptop (after 4 months)_ However I want to make it turn on and connect at boot - how should I do that ?
20:37<keith>The computer seems to boot up successfully with the winfast - but no signal to the monitor.
20:38<acu>I was almost to reinstall Lenny - since I thought a clean install with the latest kernel 2.6.21 was suppose to recognize some other things (my Wifi Did not work , my HP Webcam( chicony) built in camera does not work etc
20:40<acu>and I realize that we have to buy always Intel (I hate to do this - sorry AMD64 but there is too much suffering for any bit of functionality - there is even no swf player for Mozilla amd64
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20:41<tbsdsdfsd>guten abend
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20:41<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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20:42<chealer>keith: in what kind of slot is the Winfast?
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20:43<chealer>acu: you're able to connect with the Broadcom, right?
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20:49<keith>I don't know what it is called. But it is the only black slot and further away from the back of the computer than the other white slots. It also has a fastening clip on the other end ie on the right side looking at it.
20:51<chealer>keith: could it be AGP?
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20:52<keith>You got me there. How can I tell. I tried to locate a name but can't see anything.
20:54<chealer>keith: normally the interface format is part of the specifications.
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20:56<chealer>keith: anyway, if you don't have any signal I'm afraid configuring won't help. are you sure card isn't dead?
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21:00<keith>Sorry it is written on it-MyVIVO AGP 8X. Well it could be dead. But it seems to be running OK. That is it is hot but ofcourse that does not mean much. It is old - about 2003.
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21:04<tin>you ever get your gf4 ti4200 sound card working?
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21:08<chealer>keith: OK. if you have no signal and you're not aware of problems with the motherboard I'd still assume the card is dead, so I'd verify that first.
21:08<chealer>tin: are you talking to someone in particular?
21:09<tin>i was talking to keith
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21:09<tin>he was in here asking about sound form his vivo video card
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21:09<cusco>im using cut with e delimiter of " " - aspace
21:09<cusco>cut -d " " -f4-5
21:10<cusco>is showing field4 field5 -- with the delimited char in
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21:10<tin>what are you trying to do?
21:10<cusco>is there a way to cut the space? the delimited char separating the fields
21:10<tin>with what?
21:11<tin>from what?
21:12<keith>Ok chealer, I'll leave it at that. The card is old but has not been used before for some reason. thanks for your help.
21:12<tin>perl -pe 's/ //g' inputfile outputfile
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21:12<tin>it'll remove every space from your inputfile
21:13<tin>and print the spaceless thing to the outputfile
21:13<daman>i setup debian 4.0r3 with ppp0 on eth1 and private network on eth0, nat with iptables, dhcp3 server.... but my msn messenger on winxp pc doesnt work and some web pages cant open, how to fix that should i put dns server or something?????
21:13<keith>tin: I think you must have the wrong person.
21:13<tin>never mind then, you're not the one with the winfast?
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21:16<chealer>cusco: yes (you could use tr)
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21:19<tin>man tr
21:19<cusco>chealer: ok... I will not look into that today
21:19<cusco>I just did
21:19<cusco>I used --output-delimiter from cut
21:19<tin>what are you feeding cut?
21:19<cusco>(thanks to guys in #debian ad freenode)
21:19<cusco>tin: strings
21:19<tin>in text files?
21:19<tin>from pipes?
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21:20<Baloo>Is it possible to boot Debian off an LVM?
21:20<tin>and you pass the piped/edited strings to another pipe?
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21:20<dondelelcaro>Bravewolf: you should have a /boot which is not on lvm.
21:21<Baloo>Aaah, OK.
21:22<cusco>tin: no, the final pipe will be passed on to a for loop
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21:22<cusco>but thats ok, I sorted it out
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21:24<hector>hi. Can anyone help with shoutdown troubles (trying debian lenny), in my laptop ?
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21:26<Bravewolf>hector: what kind of problems?
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21:27<hector>I cant shoutdown my system . Ive to do it manually
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21:27<phillipsjk>To official method as far as I can tell is "shutdown -h now" as root.
21:28*phillipsjk has been wondering the same thing
21:28<hector>yep. Ive tried it, but its the same. After show the message: acpi_power_off called ; Ive to shoutdown manually
21:29<hector>Also, Ive tried to modify /boot/grub/menu.lst, with: lapic, noapic, acpi=power_off, etc
21:31<hector>laptop: packard bell mv85-101, with intel centrino duo
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21:32<Gekz>lol packard bell
21:32<Gekz>they're pieces of crap
21:32<Baloo>Gekz: They build cruise missiles for the military now.
21:32<Gekz>by shutdown manually I presume you mean hold the button in
21:32<Gekz>Baloo: oh christ no
21:32<Gekz>you have to be kidding
21:33<Baloo>Nope. Go Wikipedia it if you don't believe me.
21:33<Gekz>Oh christ.
21:33<Gekz>I'm so glad I'm not american
21:33<Gekz>I really am
21:33<Baloo>They only sell to the Americans.
21:33<Baloo>I'd be more worried to be outside the US on this one...
21:34<Gekz>packard bell cant make a computer that shuts down correctly
21:34<Gekz>what chance do they have of making a missile system that wont fail
21:35<hector>well, I prefer dell, but its my dad's present so.....
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21:35<hector>Ive kick win$ and try gnu/linux......can help?
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21:36<Gekz>hector: search google
21:37<hector>Gekz: ...Ive tried
21:38<hector>the only answer Ive seen, its maybe a kernel bug, so wait to next kernel version, or just shoutdown holding the button
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21:38<hector>I dont know, if its pb or what
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21:40<Gekz>try debian stable then
21:40<hector>etch ?
21:40<Gekz>why would you start with testng?
21:40<Gekz>yes etch
21:40<hector>cause a friend told me to try lenny and solve the same problem
21:41<hector>so, Ive tried etch
21:41<hector>and.....ubuntu, pclinuxos, opensuse, gnusense........
21:42<phillipsjk>hector: "On some older systems, shutdown -h may not power off the system anymore (but just stop it)"
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21:44<hector>oks. Thanks
21:44<hector>Im going to try it. Thanks a lot :)
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22:02<MrKeuner>hi, is it possible to log vino attempts
22:02<MrKeuner>vino login attempts
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22:12<Baloo>Does the default Debian kernels have support for lvm?
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22:15<jon3s> 53404
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22:16<alaya>Baloo: yes
22:16<Baloo>More like tactless...
22:16<Baloo>alaya: Ooh, thanks
22:16<alaya>Baloo: when you install there is an option to set up LVM
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22:19<Baloo>alaya: I'm converting to it.
22:19<Baloo>I'm kinda hoping things work when I reboot out of knoppix
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22:35<pinbalwyz>Yo, y'all!
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22:36<pinbalwyz>I got this awesome networkable HD (1 terrabyte) for not too much at BestBuy. But the CD drivers and all that come with it are married to Bill Gates.
22:36<pinbalwyz>It's only got ports 80 & 139 that I can see. 139 is the netbios-ssn thing.
22:37<pinbalwyz>Is there a linux/debian program that I can use to access the device and xfer files via/through port 139?
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22:37<pinbalwyz>Like is there a NASlite for linux, or something close?
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22:38*pinbalwyz kicks his keyboard.
22:39<pinbalwyz>Hmph! This thing must not be gettin out. :(
22:39<Baloo>Yeah, it's called smbclient.
22:39<Baloo>try smb://ip.of.your.nas.doodad/
22:39<Baloo>If you use KDE.
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22:41<Baloo>http://ip.of.your.nas.doodad/ should also work since 80 is open
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22:43<twb>If udev is intalled, do I have any real need to keep the makedev package around?
22:44<Baloo>twb: No.
22:44<Baloo>makedev is quasi-useless with udev around
22:45<twb>Alternatively, would my Eee PC be "cooler" if I switched to yaird and dropped udev?
22:47<chealer>twb: sure, having more RC bugs is always cooler, a bit like running sid.
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22:48<Baloo>twb: Don't fix what isn't broken, you'll probably regret it later.
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22:49<twb>Ugh, well mplayer, via libraw1394-8, keeps makedev around.
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22:57<jw>hello-- I have a question. Is there a netinst image known to include the intel 82575EB driver? I've got 4.0r3 locally on DVD as well, if there is an easy way to load the driver into that.
22:58<DaCapn>!dpkg backports
22:59<DaCapn>try /msg dpkg backports or kmuto
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22:59<DaCapn>Those might have information.
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23:06<chealer>jw: in which Linux version was support for that introduced?
23:07<jw>chealer: not sure. Google indicates that ubuntu hardy beta has it
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23:08<jw>i've now verified there is no etch-backport of it
23:09<jw>(or, in so far as my understanding will allow)
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23:12<tin>Reading package lists... Done
23:12<tin>Building dependency tree... Done
23:12<tin>E: Unable to find a source package for apt-get
23:13<twb>tin: you need a deb-src sources.list entry and to apt-get update
23:13<tin>ah, thanks
23:13<tin>i was just curious as to where the supercow was located
23:13<tin>i'll continue poking around then
23:15<jw>i guess i'll give lenny a whirl and see how far I can get
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23:17<Baloo>apt-get moo
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23:18<Baloo>aptitude moo
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23:23<tin>i know
23:23<tin>but i want to see where the "Go away, i'm thinking" line went
23:24<tin>possibly reinstate it in my local build
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23:28<gsimmons>jw: AFAICT, you're required to use the "igb" driver for 82575* chipset support. This was added to the mainline kernel in 2.6.25-rc1, you can compile it out-of-tree for older kernels.
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23:31<dmsantam>how can i change the suspend script that gnome-power-manager calls to suspend my laptop?
23:32<dmsantam>i want to unload and load modules when gnome power manager suspends/resume
23:32<dmsantam>but i can't figure out what method it's using
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23:35<twb>!tell titis_BPLP about jp
23:35<twb>!tell titis_BPLP about ja
23:36<twb>Hmm, no #debian-ja?
23:36<titis_BPLP>hai,... asl
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23:38<titis_BPLP>I'M Titis from indonesia , how about you
23:39<twb>titis_BPLP: unless you have something meaningful to say, please be quiet.
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23:42<dmsantam>titis_BPLP, hi tits from indonesia. got a pic?
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23:43<titis_BPLP>haven't pic..... my email is ....
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23:44<Baloo>PITIFUL HUMAN!
23:44<jw>lenny doesn't have 82575EB driver support either.
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23:47<twb>titis_BPLP: plonk
23:47<dmsantam>titis_BPLP, wtf do you want?
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23:49<titis_BPLP>where are you ??? my email ....
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23:54<titis_BPLP>age , sex , locations
23:54<acu>since I updated the kernel 2.6.24 the NVIDIA G-force is compiled but the system hangs when starting kde - what should I do
23:55<titis_BPLP>where r u
23:55<acu>age, gender and locations
23:56<acu>in debian
23:56<twb>acu: just ignore him, please.
23:56<twb>Does the system still respond to pings after it "hangs"?
23:56<twb>If so, is it sshable?
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23:57<tin>19, male, my parents basement
23:57<titis_BPLP>i'm 35 / f / indonesia
23:58<acu>no, I cannot get into kde at all - the keyboard hangs too
23:58<tin>i see neither of us told the truth
23:59<tin>no, acu, can you ssh into it via the network?
23:59<acu>tin: that's for geeks man!
23:59<tin>it responds to ping so its network stack is semi-functioning
23:59<acu>it is in xorg something screwew
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