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00:00<tin>but ssh doesn't engage your xterm session
00:00<tin>it'll get you a command line into your box to figure out what's going wrong if you can ping it and ssh into it after a hang
00:01<tin>what i would do is boot into single user mode and undo the driver install and fix kde from the command line
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00:02<tin>i'm going to bed, and unfortunately i'm not 19, and i don't live in my parent's basement so i have to pack because i'm switching apartments soon :(
00:03<tin>alas, to have parents with a basement for me to skulk in
00:03<tin>i have parents, they just have no basement :(
00:05<titis_BPLP>no problem
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00:06<titis_BPLP>hai....dude herlino ?
00:06<acu>tin: this is what I am trying to do, I recompiled the NVIDIA drivers with the latest package it still does not work - maybe I should go two generations back - it worked on Vesa 0
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00:07<tin>what's your video card?
00:08<acu>It is a GForce some number (I have to look I think is 7thousand something
00:08<tin>because 1.5 years after a video card is released, nvidia releases a perfectly tuned set of drivers for it, and then ignores it forever
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00:09<acu>it may be - they have released the latest bunch in march (176 previous was 100 it does not work either - I will try 96
00:09<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
00:09<chick>is anyone using vlc and pulseaudio? it seems vlc takes a while to start making sounds
00:10<acu>yes - just less than a sec
00:11<acu>for vlc
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00:19<chick>acu, it really take a while for me, like 20s, and sometime it stops ..
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00:26<MrKeuner>hi, is it possible to log vino login attempts
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00:32<twb>!ops titis_semampir is annoying
00:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: twb complains about: titis_semampir is annoying
00:33<Baloo>!tell titis_semampir about spam
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00:39<q>a aaa
00:41<titis_semampir>hai baloo can send my email at ....
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00:43<Baloo>tell me about etiquette
00:43<janrocks>tell me about botherders
00:44<janrocks>hi Baloo
00:44<titis_semampir>hi baloo
00:45<titis_semampir>hai janronks
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00:47<Baloo>Heh, telling him about ask and offtopic gave him a clue.
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00:47<janrocks>nicely nicely
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01:07<bango>baloo spam
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01:07<bango>dpkp spam
01:08<baloo>!tell bango about spam
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01:16<bango>baloo is annoying
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01:23<gerzel>Q: How do I find out how many pixels my KDE kicker panels are.
01:24<twb>gerzel: take a screenshot and count em?
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01:44<thardis>hello, need help with power management ( brightness ctrl, etc) on a toshiba laptop
01:45<thardis>how does the OS talk to the hardware regarding brightness control?
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01:46<thardis>how can i achieve brightness control on a laptop?
01:48<thardis>ow man, my laptop battery dies prematurely just because i cant control the brightness
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01:50<thardis>wat time is it? no experts on acpi time?
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01:53<thardis>acpi experts?
01:53<twb>thardis: apt-get install toshset?
01:53<thardis>no one to help bring some brightness control on my laptop?
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01:56<thardis>twb: toshutils too
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02:23<acu>to whom should I give feedback about NVIDIA VGA card not working in Debian Lenny 2.6.24 even with the compilation from nvidia - the laptop works only in VESA mode
02:23<twb>acu: your hardware manufacturer; presumably Nvidia
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02:24<twb>Ask for a refund or something.
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02:25<acu>it sucks big time - I got this HP Pavillion 17 inch AMD NVIDIA broadcom - a deadly combination for Linux - the Laptop is beautifull but almost everything requires close encounter with death to make it work
02:26<twb>acu: that was a pretty dumb thing to do.
02:27<acu>It make me doubt that I have some inteligence (but it was boldness which got me into it)
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02:27<twb>And by buying it, you reinforce hardware manufacturer's belief that as long as they produce buggy proprietary Windows drivers, they can ship any old undocumented crap.
02:27<alaya>!tell acu about nvidia
02:28<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
02:28<alaya>acu: better to use module assistant to build it than binary from nvidia
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02:28<twb>alaya: I assumed he'd already done that
02:29<acu>twb - no, I do not know how to do that
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02:35<alaya>yeah the version with debian should be more tested against the version of Xorg it uses
02:36<alaya>nvidia may be more cutting edge but less compatible or lacking patches
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02:40<alaya>wasn't that hilarious knoppix_? i'm trying to become a comedian by hanging out in irc tech channels giving advice ;-)
02:44<fxiny>yeahhhh join the club ;)
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02:50<saltmiser>*totally* off topic
02:50<saltmiser>but since demonoid is back..
02:50<saltmiser>anybody want an invite code? :D
02:50<saltmiser>I got a few I can give out
02:50<saltmiser>you know, for free
02:51<twb>gosh, if they're free I'll take a dozen, and I don't even know what they are.
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02:52<saltmiser>twb, you don't know what demonoid is?
02:52<fxiny>i know
02:52<twb>saltmiser: correct.
02:52<fxiny>was pretty decent
02:52<alaya>you sound like some gleeful stanford business school graduate
02:52<saltmiser>fxiny, well it's back now :P
02:52<saltmiser>so, *is* pretty decent
02:53<saltmiser>twb, it's the nicest torrent site ever
02:53<twb>Oh, theft.
02:53<saltmiser>it's not theft
02:53<saltmiser>it's sharing
02:53<twb>How droll.
02:53<saltmiser>well, anybody cool want an invite? :P
02:53<fxiny>saltmiser: i read it yesterday or the day before . i'm thinking
02:53<twb>saltmiser: this is not really an appropriate channel for such things.
02:54<saltmiser>I think they have the "invite code" button set right now that I can hit it as many times as I want
02:54<alaya>how much stock do you own?
02:54<saltmiser>well I have 2 codes on my screen right now
02:54<alaya>that is more entertaining than watching pirated stuff
02:55<saltmiser>I haven't bought a cd since the who's endless wire
02:55<saltmiser>I only download highres/highquality stuff though
02:55<saltmiser>like I hate mp3's :/
02:55<alaya>the quality is usually abhorrent
02:55<saltmiser>I only get flacs
02:56<saltmiser>demonoid's quality is good though; compared to getting crap off of tpb and such
02:56<alaya>rite on
02:56<saltmiser>flacs/320kbps mp3's/VBR 1 or 2
02:56<saltmiser>in that order
02:56<saltmiser>stuff I like I die trying to get it in flac
02:56<saltmiser>if I absolutally can't find it in flac I"ll actually go buy it then
02:57<fxiny>all my Wolfy Mozart are flacs
02:57<saltmiser>fxiny, need a code? if you had an account before it still works
02:57<twb>saltmiser: plonk. You are off-topic, please find a more appropriate channel.
02:57<fxiny>i had no accounts
02:58<saltmiser>twb; at 3:00est I don't think anybody here wants to be on topic anyway..
02:58<saltmiser>unless I'm talking ot everybody who's in india/china
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02:59<saltmiser>at which case I feel bad for those people with all that friggen net moderation
03:00<dirge>anyone know why one would receive gpg key errors when upgrading a sparc from sarge to etch?
03:00<alaya>what happened after they got shut down? was their soul extracted and they are being controlled by an evil demon?
03:00<alaya>there are no other questions ATM
03:00<alaya>in china?
03:01<alaya>under apt?
03:01<saltmiser>wouldn't the gpg keys be different between sarge and etch?
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03:01<dirge>not sure
03:01<saltmiser>alaya, yeah they just kinda disappeared and reappear
03:01<fxiny>sarge gpg ?
03:02<dirge>just tried to dist-upgrade a sparc box and it gave me all kinds of errors
03:03<alaya>try to be precise describing them
03:03<dirge>well.. first i got this: WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
03:03<alaya>the apt key changed
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03:04<dirge>between sarge and etch?
03:05<dirge>bot didn't list anything
03:06<fxiny>saltmiser: i appreciate it , but i prefere public trackers .
03:07<dirge>i'll plug it into a search engine, thanks, alaya
03:08<dpkg>it has been said that key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive
03:08<alaya>odd, key has an entry
03:08<alaya>apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
03:08<alaya>dirge: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
03:08<dirge>oh, thanks again, alaya
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03:12<dirge>okay, i tried that and it still gave me the gpg errors
03:12<dirge>it states that it's setting up apt
03:13<dirge>then it gives me: gpg: key 2D230C5F: no valid user IDs
03:14<dirge>and: gpg: this may be caused by a missing self-signature
03:14<alaya>did you apt-get update?
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03:15<dirge>aptitude update is crunching
03:16<fxiny>is pcre.h in libpcre3-dev ?
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03:16<fxiny>can't find it
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03:17<Fen>hello , i installed debian today and now i have a problem, only site what is working is google
03:17<Fen>i got it on KDE
03:17<Fen>*net lags like hell.. or doesnt work at all.. , any ideas what could be wrong?
03:18<Fen>i know its not the net (this comp is on same net . but with win)so it must be somewhere inside conf.
03:18<Fen>any ideas ?
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03:18<dirge>alright, alaya, i aptitude update and i receive this: W: GPG error: etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1
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03:19<fxiny>dirge: read topic
03:20<dirge>dpkg not having a public key is causing me to not upgrade, fxiny?
03:20<dpkg>dirge: okay
03:21<fxiny>no idea about sparc
03:22<dirge>why'd you tell me to read topic?
03:22<fxiny>"PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key" , see if the bot can tell you something
03:23<Fen>hmm..does someone have any idea's on my nearly netles debian ? some net progs do work.. but smthing like amarok website , normal websites (or others) are stuck in 25% of loading or smting..
03:24<mjk>Against which package(s) should I report the following bug: Recently, a few audio/synth packages (e.g. dssi-utils, hexter, nekobee) appeared in a new version with "+b1" added to it; with this +b1 version, they depend on liblo0ldbl (which Replaces: liblo0) instead of liblo0, but there are still packages depending on liblo0 which are now broken (e.g. om, om-gtk, rosegarden).
03:25<fxiny>mjk: hi . do you where is pcre.h ?
03:26<mjk>Fen: Hmm, maybe you could try disabling syn cookies ...
03:26<mjk>fxiny: Sure: apt-file search pcre.h :-)
03:26<fxiny>mjk: :)
03:26<mjk>fxiny: libpcre3-dev looks good to me.
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03:26<mjk>Against which package(s) should I report the following bug: Recently, a few audio/synth packages (e.g. dssi-utils, hexter, nekobee) appeared in a new version with "+b1" added to it; with this +b1 version, they depend on liblo0ldbl (which Replaces: liblo0) instead of liblo0, but there are still packages depending on liblo0 which are now broken (e.g. om, om-gtk, rosegarden).
03:26<dirge>the bot tells me to do what alaya did and both are not solvign the problem
03:26<fxiny>i was on libpcre3-dev
03:26<mjk>fxiny: But?
03:26<fxiny>-dev are always a good bet
03:26<fxiny>i'll get it
03:27<fxiny>-d install ...
03:27<alaya>Fen: tcp ecn perhaps?
03:27<mjk>Fen: Damn, forget about syn cookies, ECN was what I meant to say. :-)
03:27<Fen>alaya ? , where i can see that and sync cookies , from web browser settings ?
03:27<Fen>set all paragraphs to 0 then ? or to max..
03:28<fxiny>mjk: yes !
03:28<mjk>fxiny: :-)
03:28<alaya>mjk: is a good place for package info
03:28<fxiny>mjk: i moved to wmii :)
03:28<mjk>alaya: Errm ... yeah, but how would that help me deciding against which package to report that bug?
03:28<Fen>Alam_Debian where i can setup those ?
03:29<Fen>alaya even
03:29<alaya>each package would have to be recompiled to work with the new libs, i would imagine
03:30<alaya>Fen: it could also be net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling
03:30<alaya>mjk: the main package for each broken app
03:30<mjk>Fen: You can set these things via sysctl(8).
03:31<mjk>alaya: Ah, okay, thanks! (OMG, so much work %-)
03:31<Fen>mjk ok..
03:32<alaya>mjk: not that hard. you can just send plain e-mail with Package: and Version: lines, plus info. see the bugs.debian.... for tormat info
03:32<Fen>do i type sysctl in terminal or..?
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03:32<mjk>Hm, can I write a bug report against more than one package without having to write it n times? Like "reportbug pkg1, pkg2, pkg3, ..."?
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03:32<mjk>alaya: Ah, good!
03:32<alaya>Fen: if its a tcp window scaling issue. it might not be. is it always the same sites?
03:34<alaya>mjk: well, with mutt at least its easy to re-send a mail, making only minor edits
03:34<Fen>alaya noup
03:34<Fen>with every site except google
03:34<mjk>alaya: I can also give an identical body to reportbug using --body=<file>, I just found out.
03:34<Fen>i can get to google in 1sec... but nowhere else..
03:35<dirge>tried installing the keyring with aptitude, apt-get, and even manually installing with dpkg all give me the same error
03:35<alaya>Fen: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling" say?
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03:38<Fen>Alaya give me a sec
03:38<Fen>need to go to another room for the deb comp :P
03:41<Fen>ok , there was the ipv4/ dir , but nothing like tpc_window_scaling file or smthing
03:41<Fen>or w8 i will lis
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03:42<Fen>yep the file is there
03:42<Fen>now wut ?
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03:44<Fen>would not be nice to install whole distribution again just cause of that thing >.>
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03:45<mjk>I want to have colored output for "apt-cache", but NOT if its output gets redirected to a file. How do I check that? "tty -s" only prints the termial name for "standard input", not "standard output".
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03:46<mjk>Anyone knows a shell script coding IRC channel?
03:47<noflash>mjk, #bash on freenode ?
03:47<Fen>alaya what now.?
03:47<mjk>noflash: Ah, thanks a lot!
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03:48<fxiny>mjk: a coloured output ? using a pipe ?
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03:52<mjk>fxiny: Yep. I've been using that sed expression for a long time, but I want to improve that shell-wrapper to only print color when stdout is connected to a tty.
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03:53<fxiny>mjk: i use perl loco , i do not have installed , just pipe to anything . easy to modify
03:54<abli>Hi! how can I easily remove ANSI color codes from a text file? I have some logs created by screen, which have color stuff in them (i.e. ansi color codes) how can I strip out all such codes?
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03:56<mjk>fxiny: Thanks for the hint
03:56<fxiny>mjk: np
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04:03<mjk>FYI: You can test whether your scripts output is redirected simply by using "if [[ -t 1 ]]; then echo not redirected; fi" (see "help test" in bash).
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04:04<abli>jimb0b, is that for me?
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04:05<optix_>anybody have an solutions for me: i need a free tunneling service to cut through school's firewall
04:05<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to find a drop-down multi-tab terminal that runs fine under fluxbox.
04:05<abli>optix_, ask the school's sysadmin :)
04:05<optix_>hahaha...yea i dont think he'd like the idea
04:06<optix_>alright, figured i was being a tool. thnks anyways yall
04:06<bcochofel>I've tried tilda, but there's only one problem, I can seen to find the way to name the tabs and change the tab with keys
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04:06<abli>optix_, then he won't like the idea of using a tunneling service, either
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04:06<optix_>abli, would he notice?
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04:06<abli>optix_, dunno.
04:07<optix_>abli, i'm a senior graduating in may, and all 4 yrs at uni i've just wanted to download. i just grabbed IRC again for the first time in like 5 years to see if i could get a file trans going...of course not
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04:08<optix_>abli, its pathetic when you're considering a walk through the surrounding ghetto to maybe pick up wireless
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04:09<fxiny>bcochofel: mrxvt , etch official is fine . version 0.5.3 tricky to compile cause of a bug , i can tell you how
04:09<fxiny>best multitabbed
04:10<bcochofel>fxiny: does mrxvt has the drop-down functionallity?
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04:12<fxiny>nope ,sorry i haven't seen that
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04:12<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, I've tried that also. mc doesn't look good on mrxvt
04:13<bcochofel>fxiny: chars are all messy
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04:14<fxiny>bcochofel: mc is perfect on 0.5.3 version
04:14<fxiny>bcochofel: f3 included
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04:16<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, I've got 0.5.3 source
04:16<fxiny>bcochofel: i'm using it on wmii . added macro for wmii mod/alt collision . perfect.
04:16<fxiny>bcochofel: i tell you where the bug is in a sec
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04:16<adriano>hi to all
04:16<adriano>I compiled Kazehakase web browser
04:16<adriano>how I can set it as default browser?
04:17<adriano>I'm on openbox
04:17<adriano>and debian testing
04:19<fxiny>bcochofel: edit rxvt.h line 1235 from MAX_NFONTS to MAX_PROFILES , my configure : ./configure --enable-everything --disable-debug --with-max-profiles=20 --with-max-term=20 , to get rid of rounded corners add --with-tab-radius=0
04:19<fxiny>bcochofel: 20 :))
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04:20<mjk>noflash: #bash on freenode was really a good hint, thanks again! :-)
04:20<fxiny>adriano: man update-alternatives : update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
04:20<adriano>I do it but I didn't see kazehakase :S
04:21<adriano>I compiled and install it by checkinstall
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04:21<fxiny>in /usr/local ? still man update-alternatives :)
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04:21<bcochofel>fxiny: what's that 20 ?
04:22<fxiny>bcochofel: max tabs and profiles :)
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04:22<adriano>fxiny it say me Nothing alternatives for x-www-browser
04:22<fxiny>bcochofel: with profiles you can open a tab in a dir you want
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04:23<bcochofel>fxiny: the 20 on the second line?
04:23<fxiny>bcochofel: i use 9 tabs cause alt-[1-9] switches tab
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04:24<fxiny>bcochofel: etch maz is 5 . sid 15 . sid AFAIK is buggy, it will crash with >20 in your ~./mrxvtrc
04:25<bcochofel>fxiny: can I paste my .mrxvtrx so you have a look?
04:25<fxiny>bcochofel: not here use a pastebin
04:25<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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04:29<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, I have 0.5.3 but mc stays the same
04:31<fxiny>already installed ?
04:31<fxiny>your ~/.mrxvtrc is old
04:32<fxiny>bcochofel: i'll paste mine in a sec
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04:34<mjk>Hm ... if a package won't install because of its outdated dependencies, what severity does this problem have? "important" / "grave" / "serious"?
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04:35<alaya>mjk: no need to specify. default is normal. they can change it if they want
04:35<alaya>mjk: bugs.debian... has explanation of levels though. that sounds serious
04:36<fxiny>mjk: piss the mantainer off with "crucial" ;)
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04:36<alaya>no that would only be if system-wide harm resulted. this is only "major effect on usability of package" or whatever
04:36<fxiny>usually they do answer :)
04:37<mjk>alaya: Hm, is that the right policy to let the maintainer(s) decide on severity? What if a bug causes serious data loss, and the bug affects thousands of users, just because I didn't care about severity and chose the default normal, which led the maintainer to ignore that bug for weeks or months?
04:37<chealer>mjk: if you don't mind, which package?
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04:37<mjk>chealer: Packages om and om-gtk depend on liblo0 which recently got replaced by liblo0ldbl.
04:37<alaya>mjk: if it causes data loss then it would be severe or grave or whatever
04:38<mjk>chealer: Package rosegarden is affected, too, but someone reported this bug for it yesterday already.
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04:38<alaya>mjk: that is true.
04:38<mjk>alaya: I'll pick "important", because rosegarden is still usable for those already having that package installed (in a slightly older version).
04:38<alaya>mjk: if its really bad then i would put in severity
04:38<chealer>mjk: the right severity is grave, but are you aware that om isn't in lenny/sid anymore?
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04:39<mjk>chealer: Uaaa! It isn't?
04:39<chealer>mjk: see
04:39<mjk>chealer: apt-cache policy gives me the same version numbers for "Installed" and "Candidate", so I thought this means the package is still in the repository?
04:39<alaya>well he could always do a forward port
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04:41<mjk>chealer: Ah, I see that apt-cache policy shows a "Candidate" version, but only a local URL (/var/lib/dpkg/status) instead of the usual ...
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04:46<mjk>chealer: So should I report this bug at all? Thought that might be a good idea for the next maintainer of om. Or should I let him find out dependency problems himself?
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04:48<chealer>mjk: it's not really a bug in any om version. stable's om would have this bug if it would be in testing, but it's not. and it's unlikely that there will be a new maintainer anyway.
04:49<mjk>chealer: Oh, okay. Why is that unlikely, if I may ask? Does "om" suck that much or is there an alternative? (Haven't dealt with om yet)
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04:49<bcochofel>fxiny: I believe the problem with mc is because my local is utf8
04:51<chealer>mjk: I don't know om, but the bug that got it removed says it's buggy; unmaintained; abandoned upstream
04:51<fxiny>bcochofel: mrxvt don't support utf8 , i got rid of utf8 since ages
04:51<bcochofel>I was trying to find a terminal like yakuake that works well on fluxbox. but with tilda I can't seen to find the way to name the tabs
04:51<mjk>chealer: Aaaaah, abandonded upstream, I didn't read that. Thanks!
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04:54<fxiny>bcochofel: kde yakuake don't work on flux ?
04:55<bcochofel>fxiny: well, it works, but the tab names are all messed up
04:55<sailaway85>Hi from a new convert .... bill grates free ....
04:55<bcochofel>overlap one to another
04:55<fxiny>bcochofel: etch flux ?
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04:56<fxiny>bcochofel: i moved from etch flux to bpo flux . now running wmii . i don't think i'll go back to flux
04:56<bcochofel>fxiny: bpo flux? what's that?
04:57<fxiny>bcochofel: Installed: 1.0.0+deb1-4~bpo40+1
04:57<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
04:57<bcochofel>fxiny: why did you changed? wmii is window maker right?
04:58<fxiny>bcochofel: someone suggested dwm in chan , that's how i got wmii . i tried ion too but wmii is perfect for me , i'll compile my own dwm later
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04:59<fxiny>bcochofel: i use only mrxvt emacs and iceweasel . tiled window managers are all i want , they are fast and relaxing
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05:00<bcochofel>fxiny: well, I use xterm and emacs
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05:01<fxiny>bcochofel: try wmii then , you'll love it
05:01<bcochofel>fxiny: does it come with etch or do I need to compile?
05:01<fxiny>can't remember who told me about dwm . but that was the best advice i ever had
05:02<fxiny>bcochofel: wmii/dwm/ion are all on etch
05:03<bcochofel>strange, I have backports on my sources.list but no fluxbox bpo
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05:05<fxiny>bcochofel: apt-cache policy fluxbox should show you bpo flux as candidate
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05:06<bcochofel>fxiny: how can I force that to install?
05:07<bcochofel>I'm installing wmii/dwm/ion to give it a try
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05:08<fxiny>all of 'em ?
05:08<fxiny>bcochofel: check apt-get update output for bpo lines
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05:10<fxiny>bcochofel: install wmii-doc , is just a ps/pdf but you need it
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05:11<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, I'm installing all so I can try each one. apt-get -t etch-backports install <package>
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05:12<bcochofel>fxiny: brb
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05:14<fxiny>bcochofel: i'll be back in 15
05:20<Guest1618>hi to all
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05:21<railster>hi can i ask a question?
05:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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05:50<fxiny>looking for Tommy : see mee touch meeeee ? :P
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06:28<Joris_>anyone know if something incompatible changed wrt cryptsetup/md-crypt?
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06:28<Joris_>I know I used to run cryptsetup create -h ripemd160 -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha25, and I (am fairly sure I) know the password, the data comming out is not right
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06:32<fxiny>create ? isn't just : cryptsetup -y -s 256 -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 ?
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06:32<Joris_>fxiny: hmm, could be
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06:34<Joris_>fxiny: no, it relaly expects an action (create, remove, status or resize)
06:35<Joris_>it has been serveral months since I last used this on this system, and now it's fully updated - there could be incompatible changes somewhere..
06:35<fxiny>booting my own
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06:52<fxiny>Joris_: are yoyt trying to mount or create a volume ? cryptsetup -y create will create a volume
06:52<fxiny>i was thinking about my luks system
06:54<Joris_>fxiny: I'm trying to mount an existing volume
06:54<Joris_>fxiny: it's a softraid with a crypto layer with lvm on top
06:54<fxiny>so #mount /dev/mapper/volume /mnt/point
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06:55<fxiny>lvm ?
06:55<fxiny>i give you a link for it
06:55<Joris_>fxiny: pvdisplay -v -v -v /dev/mapper/encryptedvolume should give me something at least
06:55<Joris_>which it doesnt
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06:56<fxiny>Joris_: i don't do lvm , see
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07:01<Joris_>fxiny: I'm not using luks but straight keys
07:01<Joris_>fxiny: but thanks anyway, I'm going to desperately try some other things
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07:11<fxiny>Joris_: have you ever mounted that volume before ?
07:13<Joris_>fxiny: only through LVM
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07:13<Joris_>fxiny: but now LVM is not recognising it as 'physical volume', which is the same as saying it's not a valid filesystem/partition
07:13<fxiny>i see , you can't locate the file volume
07:14<fxiny>is an lvm issue
07:15<Joris_>fxiny: you think it's an LVM issue? have there been any lvm changes?
07:15<fxiny>not in that sense
07:16<valdyn>Joris_: how are you starting that volume ? ( mdadm -> cryptthing -> lvm )
07:16<fxiny>a volume is a file
07:17<Joris_>valdyn: mdadm starts the softraid (/dev/md0) on boot, I manually set up cryptsetup and then do a vgchange -a y
07:17<Joris_>cryptsetup creates a /dev/mapper/cryptone, which should be a physical volume for LVM
07:18<valdyn>Joris_: and cryptone works fine but is not recognised by lvm?
07:18<fxiny>yes = cryptsetup creates a /dev/mapper/cryptone :)
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07:19<Joris_>fxiny: yes, but it does not 'verify' the key in any sense
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07:20<Joris_>it just creates an encrypted mapping with the given key, even if the key is invalid
07:20<Joris_>valdyn: the cryptone device 'works' in the sense that I can read (quite possibly meaningless) data from it
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07:21<valdyn>Joris_: looks to me like your key is invalid
07:21<Joris_>valdyn: but cryptsetup does not raise an error if you supply it with an invalid keyphrase, afaik it has no way of knowing..
07:21<valdyn>Joris_: or *somehow* the pv "marking" got lost
07:22<Joris_>valdyn: the former is something I really fear
07:22<Joris_>valdyn: is there a way to manually inspect it?
07:22<valdyn>Joris_: dd, strings, grep
07:22<blue_>hello,anybody know why the session menu in kdm shows the window managers i installed twice?
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07:23<valdyn>Joris_: requires that you know something useable about the content that is supposed to be there
07:23<Joris_>valdyn: I know there are serveral logical volumes in that physical volume, but I don't know their order or anything
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07:25<valdyn>Joris_: i dont know anything useful about what lvm would have put on the disk, but you should know some text file or filename your can grep for
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07:27<Joris_>valdyn: indeed that would be an option
07:27<fxiny>is it like to the plain-text file attack ?
07:27<Joris_>fxiny: ?
07:28<Joris_>valdyn: to make things interesting, that volume is 1.5TB
07:28<valdyn>fxiny: just trying to figure if the key is correct
07:28<valdyn>Joris_: oo
07:28<fxiny>valdyn: so is that one : plain-text file attack :)
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07:29<Joris_>fxiny: if you know a tool that will generate permutations based on what I believe is the keyfile, I'd be really happy
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07:30<Joris_>it's actually just a really long ascii string
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07:30<fxiny>Joris_: no . i don't know anything . i know the logic of a plain-text file attack with encryption
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07:32<fxiny>Joris_: your problem is very interesting
07:32<Joris_>fxiny: in the sense that I probably screwed myself?
07:32<fxiny>because has nothing to do with breaking but with administration/recovery
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07:36<Joris_>I wonder if I can automate the cryptsetup, make it non-interactive
07:36<fxiny>Joris_: i use lvm , yes . but not with lvm cause i don't know hot to cope with situations like yours . i gave you a link to a pretty nice site wich is about lvm and luks . i have a full encrypted system . safe in the sense i can always mount it anytime from a live or another running partition , that's why i am interested on your problem
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07:38<fxiny>and i think encrypting just volumes or single partitions leaving swap and root unencrypted is a bad idea
07:39<valdyn>fxiny: whats the actual performance impact of your crypt layer?
07:39<Joris_>fxiny: very true, but it was a stopgap measure, because I give those logical volumes to virtual machines
07:39<fxiny>valdyn: negligible : i have cloned one of my etch
07:40<fxiny>valdyn: debian rocks :)
07:40<fxiny>users like me can do wonderful things
07:42<fxiny>valdyn: i am planning to do a special lenny install : a minimal base system + cryptsetup just for maintenance in a small partition . the full system will be just a clone in a large partition
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07:42<fxiny>so from that small pariton i can recover anything
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07:43<valdyn>fxiny: ive been intending to do such a minimum system for a while
07:43<valdyn>fxiny: it should be in an initrd though
07:43<fxiny>valdyn: yes ?
07:43<fxiny>valdyn: :)
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07:47<fxiny>Joris_: so you are thinking lvm+crypto+virtual , nice
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07:55<fxiny>Joris_: what do you mean by "non-interactive" ?
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08:10<bcochofel>Hi, I have a problem with iceweasel detecting the encoding of pages, is this a bug ? Is there any fix?
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08:13<shadowmancer>hi all i am sort of new to POSIX and am having trouble understanding the use of the getopt_long function
08:13<shadowmancer>doubt anyone can help me
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08:14<shadowmancer>i am a c++ programmer, and new to it so it might be because the only examples i have found are in c, but i am so confused
08:14<shadowmancer>if this is too off topic for this channel i apologize and would greatly appreciate a suggestion to a more appropriate channel
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08:15<andrust>yesterday I changed root password, but today it is still the same
08:16<shadowmancer>did you save the setting and test the new password after you changed it
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08:20<fxiny>if is still the same you did not changed it
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08:23<shadowmancer>i mean when you change a password with any system around, unix, linux, i mean even windows, it will have a button on it that will say save, or ok, or confirm
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08:23<fxiny>no need to save
08:23<shadowmancer>i would think you would have to
08:24<shadowmancer>seeing as it would ask you to confirm the change
08:24<fxiny>you can try anytime : just give the old pass
08:24<andrust>I used konsole root shell
08:25<andrust>it changed successfully
08:25<andrust>but today was old password
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08:28<andrust>Enter new UNIX password:
08:28<tingle>andrust: how did you change it?
08:28<andrust>Retype new UNIX password:
08:28<andrust>passwd: password updated successfully
08:29<graytron>andrust: debian?
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08:30<chealer>bcochofel: well, what's the problem?
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08:39<TimbrWolf>andrust: do you have a multi-user machine?
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08:40<TimbrWolf>andrust: so you are changing the root password?
08:40<andrust>multi-user machine? meening?
08:40<TimbrWolf>more than one user...ex. root, user, user
08:42<andrust>only I use it
08:43<TimbrWolf>if logged in as root, the command prompt looks like '#'
08:43<TimbrWolf>is this what you have?
08:44<andrust>root@andrust-desktop:~# apt-get....
08:45<TimbrWolf>ok, you are logged in as root........dangerous
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08:45<TimbrWolf>you should create another user name to operate under
08:46<TimbrWolf>only use root for admin
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08:46<TimbrWolf>you can do this with the 'adduser' command
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08:47<andrust>my user name is andrust, but when I operate programs, it asks root password
08:47<andrust>every times
08:48<TimbrWolf>it should ask for root passwd only for system programs, firewall, network changes, etc
08:48<andrust>programm install also
08:49<TimbrWolf>but once program is installed, you can run it as normal user
08:49<andrust>I know
08:50<TimbrWolf>passwd updated successfully
08:50<andrust>so it say
08:50<TimbrWolf>try it?
08:51<fxiny>andrust: open a term and su to check the new root passord
08:51<fxiny>try the old one
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08:53<Joris_>fxiny: LVM2 physical volumes have a very clear marker, a string 'LVM2 ' in the first thousand bytes
08:54<andrust>When I close root shell- its still old password
08:56<fxiny>/etc/lvm/backup/ ? /etc/lvm/archive ?
08:56<TimbrWolf>andrust: when you changed passwd, did it ask for the old passwd?
08:57<fxiny>andrust: probably when asked for the new one you are giving the old pass
08:58<TimbrWolf>when root, it will not ask for old passwd
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08:58<andrust>[sudo] password for andrust:
08:58<andrust>Sorry, try again.
08:58<andrust>[sudo] password for andrust:
08:59<ix>su != sudo
08:59<ix>or rather, the other way around
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08:59<fxiny>TimbrWolf: enter new UNIX passwd :
09:00<fxiny>retype ...
09:00<fxiny>new ....
09:00<fxiny>and so on
09:00<fxiny>passwd : password updated successully ...
09:03<fxiny>hmmm : moving to dmw requires a bullet-proof jacket :P
09:04<TimbrWolf>fxiny: yes, new UNIX passwd; enter twice
09:04<andrust>I need to log out- I dont know what I did, but root shell wont ask pasword anymore
09:05<andrust>open with out it
09:05<fxiny>andrust: gnome ?
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09:05<fxiny>glad to hear :P
09:06<andrust>Im comming back
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09:06<fxiny>TimbrWolf: :)
09:07<fxiny>TimbrWolf: yours sounds like a mechwarrior nick ;)
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09:07<fxiny>shutdown sequence initiated ...
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09:09<fxiny>broken pipe , etch dwm don't like kdm , hmmm
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09:15<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
09:15<torrr>My lan card is 1000Mbps, and it only does 10Mbps
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09:22<cope>hay alguien??
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09:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:28<NinjaMan>what problems might I face by using noatime and nodiratime mount options?
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09:31<cope>I have a problem with my navigator
09:32<cope>when I access to web
09:33<cope>the navigator web never finish to load the the site web
09:33<cope>why it doing this?
09:33<cope>can I help me??
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09:33<NinjaMan>cope: are using a proxy?
09:34<NinjaMan>cope: or a firewall
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09:34<NinjaMan>cope: or traffic shaping
09:35<cope>no, but I have install the flash plugin into navigator
09:35<cope>and the kopete and amsn
09:35<NinjaMan>cope: how did you manage to install navigator on a debian system?
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09:36<barikulkol_pogi>which is better, freespire or linspire?
09:36<cope>do you think that is possible that is regarding with this??
09:36<digit>I'm running etch on an am64 machine. Would it be proper to keep most question in the #debian-amd64 channel?
09:36<NinjaMan>cope: no
09:36<barikulkol_pogi>i have no mic
09:36<NinjaMan>cope: I doupt it is to do with your messenger products
09:36<barikulkol_pogi>hi ninjaman
09:36<cope>NinjaMan, but before , the navigator works good
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09:37<NinjaMan>hi barikulkol_pogi
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09:37<NinjaMan>barikulkol_pogi: sorry I don't have a scooby about about linspire or freespire
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09:38<NinjaMan>cope: ok did any shared libraries change when you installed your messenger clients?
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09:38<cope>whether , there are web that the navigator load it
09:38<cope>it is possible
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09:39<cope>but I have tried to install again the navigator but the problem don't go
09:39<NinjaMan>cope: how did you install navigator?
09:40<cope>it is loaded into debian when installed debian
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09:43<cope>I have loaded several navigator in my computer but they all have the same problem
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09:44<NinjaMan>cope: are you talking about navigator web browser?
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09:44<cope>, i do
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09:46<NinjaMan>cope: what version of debian are you using?
09:46<NinjaMan>cope: because I can't see netscape navigator in the debian repository
09:48<cope>sorry, don't be the netscape, it is mozilla
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09:49<gass>hey there
09:49<NinjaMan>cope: i see
09:49<gass>my wireless card is not detected by network-manager and it has as name wlan0_rename
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09:49<NinjaMan>cope: are you using any widgets or plugins in mozilla?
09:50<gass>i am using 2.6.24
09:50<NinjaMan>gass: sorry I don't have wireless on my linux system
09:50<gass>NinjaMan, no prob
09:51<cope>yes, java and flash
09:51<TimbrWolf> /back I'm back
09:52<NinjaMan>cope: ok so do you have problem even loading
09:52<cope>gass, which is your card??
09:52<gass>cope, ipw3945, using iwl3945
09:53<cope>no, with google I don't have any problem
09:53<gass>cope, i think it is this bug
09:53<NinjaMan>cope: so the problem is not with every page like you indicated at the start
09:54<cope>gass you have look this page:
09:54<NinjaMan>cope: is it only pages with flash?
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09:54<gass>cope, i think this is udev not renaming the wireless cards using the iwl drivers
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09:55<cope>no, because I have accessed to other page thar don have flash
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09:55<gass>cope, that is not true anymore, because i am using kernel 2.6.24 that has built in free ipw drivers
09:55<NinjaMan>cope: is it only on pages with javascript ?
09:55<cope>In addition , before I could see the you tube , for example
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09:56<NinjaMan>cope: so how did you see youtube without the flash plugin before?
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09:58<cope>and with the flash pluging too
09:59<cope>It was when installed some program as amsn or kopete...
09:59<cope>the koqueror browser does the same
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10:00<cope>it don't works
10:00<NinjaMan>cope: ok, seems strange, but all I can suggest is that you uninstall your messenger products and flash and mozilla
10:00<NinjaMan>cope: and then install mozilla and flash again
10:00<NinjaMan>cope: then possibly try to use pidgin instead
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10:02<cope>but I don't sure that these program are the problem
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10:04<NinjaMan>cope: true - but you want to eliminate them as the potential problem
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10:04<NinjaMan>cope: if that is the only changed you have made to your system since it was working...
10:05<cope>I will try to eliminate and reloaded
10:05<cope>thank you NinjaMan
10:05<NinjaMan>copy: yw
10:06<Snadder>What debian package should I install.. to get this java based game working in iceweasle?:
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10:07<NinjaMan>snadder: sun-java6-plugin
10:07<NinjaMan>snadder: sun-java6-jre
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10:14<Snadder>NinjaMan, Thanks alot!
10:14<NinjaMan>snadder: you are welcome
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10:27<aziz>hi gus
10:27<aziz>no body there ?
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10:28<aziz>I have problem with my sound card I could not hear any thing
10:29<aziz>plz hellp
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10:35<aziz>unable to create IPC semaphor how to solve this problem gus
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10:37<aziz>no one cane help me what happened to you
10:37<dli>!alsa checklist
10:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
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10:39<mrstocks>hello im looking for - File not found: /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/build/.config at
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10:40<mrstocks>What package do the modules .config come in?
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10:41<gsimmons>!tell mrstocks -about search
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10:41<dli>mrstocks, you need the package linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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10:42<mrstocks>Thanks !
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10:46<lockoff>I want tu run a python script (logged in as root) but it says "permission denied", so a friend told me to run it with sudo -s. It runs (with fatal errors). I am studying the manpages for sudo but kinda dont get the priviledges. I thought the file doesnt have the right to be run. Why does the sudo -s gives it the right to run?
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10:52<NinjaMan>lockoff: what are the permissions on the python script?
10:52<NinjaMan>aziz: r u still there?
10:52<lockoff>i forgot the command, can you help me?
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10:53<NinjaMan>lockoff: do 'ls -l <name of python script?'
10:53<NinjaMan>lockoff : 'ls -l <name of python script>'
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10:55<NinjaMan>lockoff: your script does not have executable permissions! that's why you can't execute it
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10:55<NinjaMan>lockoff: what are the owner and group of the python file?
10:55<lockoff>so i can change those with ls?
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10:56<NinjaMan>lockoff: use 'chmod u+x <name of python script>' to give the owner of the file execute permission
10:56<lockoff>I, root, downloaded it
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10:57<NinjaMan>lockoff: and do you actually have the python interpreter installed?
10:57<dli>lockoff, what do you want to do? sounds weird there
10:57<lockoff>I tried ap-get and it said that python is installed
10:58<fxiny>very weird
10:58<lockoff>i'll try again
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10:58<fxiny>running a script as root asking if ls can chmod it ?
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10:59<fxiny>armageddon coming :P
10:59<NinjaMan>LOL @ fxiny
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10:59<NinjaMan>fxiny: maybe I should be more suspicious
10:59<fxiny>NinjaMan: vibration , negative :))
11:00<lockoff>fxiny: sorry, I have memory problems :-)
11:00<NinjaMan>lockoff: h/w or your own?
11:00<lockoff>well, both on this machine
11:00<fxiny>lockoff: think twice before running that script
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11:01<lockoff>execution priviledge is ok now
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11:01<lockoff>now i need to eliminate all those command not found's
11:03<lockoff>50 of these line 3: import: command not found
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11:05<lockoff>To execute python script, I need a python interpreter such as 'python'. Is that right?
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11:09<Bravewolf>Hello! What are the difference between #debian and #debian
11:11<witte>Bravewolf: no real difference, just some different people there
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11:15<Bravewolf>witte: Here 337 users, there 842. What did you mean when you wrote "different people"?
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11:16<lockoff>i think he meant 'not the same people'
11:16<fxiny>!why oftc
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11:21<witte>Bravewolf: yes, as fxiny told, some people just hang out over there, other people are here, and some people are on both channels... but both channels exist for the same reason, and do the same thing
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11:22<kutio>I have a problem with my wifi integrated card because it's doesn't recognized by iwconfig and When I boot my debian testing I have a msg error : untable to attach hardware 'Hardware revision not supported'
11:22<kutio>lspci : 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
11:22<NinjaMan>lockoff: yes
11:23<kutio>driver : madwifi
11:23<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @ No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
11:23<kutio>oh nice witte
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11:24<Bravewolf>witte: thanks for your reply. However nearly 2 years are passed, but people still seems prefer freenode... Not a big problem, of course
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11:28<yaiba>hi everybody
11:29<yaiba>Is somebody can help me ?
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11:31<witte>yaiba: just ask your question
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11:32<yaiba>it's a wifi connection probleme
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11:33<pika>how can i see the users list within xirc
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11:35<petemc> /names
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11:39<pika>thx lot
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11:41<pika>anybody knows how to empty the trash in shell ?
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11:43<pika>or how to force empty
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11:45<pvz>pika: put a look at ~/.trash
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11:58<Flakk>Hi people, a very basic question about files, but maybe smb would be willing to help. I want to know the date when the file was created, can I get this? for the moment I succeed only to get the date of the last modification
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12:10<dpkg>Unix does *not* store the creation time of files. Anywhere. At all. Ever. You can't get it. You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode (metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc.
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12:15<ironm>Hi Lynx ... bist Du in Berlin?
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12:27<Lynx>ironm: Nein =)
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12:27<ironm>ciao Villarroel and phogg
12:28<ironm>Lynx: gruss von real der wilde *g*
12:28<ironm>Lynx: dann vielleich in Rom?
12:29<Lynx>ehm vwechselts du mich mit jemanden? :D
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12:29<ironm>wenn Dein name nicht carlo ist dann ja Lynx ;-)
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12:30<Lynx>ironm: Ich bin nicht carlo ;)
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12:31<ironm>dann sorry Lynx ;-) ... ich wünsche Dir noch einen schönen Nachmittag
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12:32<Lynx>ironm: Kein Problem, dir auch :)
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13:00<mjk>Does anyone happen to know how I can make Open-Office Calc display the gray grid again in areas that were filled with a background-color? In OO 2.3, this worked perfectly.
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13:08<sys-admin>everyıne is here
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13:10<dotCOMmie>ATI drivers have always been bad. I've heard a lot of news ATI/AMD beening cooperative now. Are the drivers alright today?
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13:27<gass>hello there
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13:37<manju29>i created a deb pkg for my app....when i install it using #dpkg -i *.deb its not updating my menu list..
13:38<manju29>while creating deb pkg i include menu file.....
13:38<manju29>can any1 tell me t proc to follow how to update my menu lists ???
13:39<manju29>wat is *.desktop file??
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13:39<gass>manju29, have you put a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications?
13:40<manju29>no....i didnt put......
13:40<gass>can anyone tell me if the new firewire stack is supported by the 1394 libraries available in lenny?
13:40<gass>manju29, so the menu does not know your app
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13:40<manju29>k thanks gass ...i ll try.....
13:40<gass>manju29, use one of the existing files there and change it, so you can have it in the menu
13:41<gass>moreover check freedesktop
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13:43<dpkg>hello, zumbi
13:43<zumbi>dpkg: ps3
13:43<dpkg>hmm... ps3 is a gaming console known for having a bad rep mostly because of its extreme cost.this has been fixed as of e3 2007 as sony has put in place a price drop to drop the current price to 499.99 USD.The ps3 is known for having the blu-ray drive,having storage capacities of upto 50gb,with companies currently developing 200gb discs.It utilizes the cell processor,made up of 8 ppc64 based spu's,of which do all the works of games,media,etc.7 of
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13:44<zumbi>is it posible to install an Etch official DVD into PS3 ?
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13:45<zumbi>without having to install fedora first or that .jp Debian liveCD
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13:56<manju29>gass i am able to update my menu lists!!!!
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13:57<manju29>its coming in application>>others but i want it in application>>programming
13:58<gass>manju29, check the other .desktop files ...
13:58<gass>example bug-buddy
13:59<gass>try it
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14:22<kanzure>Hey. I am wondering where I might find some online documentation of the overall APT network architecture. I found but this isn't quite what I am looking for. It's close. Any hints?
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14:24<kaynine>Hi all. I screwed up and deleted /var/lib :( .... applications were backed up, now restored; but I've no backups of /var/lib/apt or /var/lib/dpkg ..... seeking advices on next best step forward ...
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14:25<kanzure>Why isn't there a site for APT itself?
14:25<maxb>kaynine: That's... moderately catastrophic. I'd have to say plan on a full reinstall in the medium term.
14:26<kaynine>yeah, unless there's a means by which the list of installed packages can be recreated.
14:26<witte>kaynine: isn't most of that recreated after an update?
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14:27<maxb> most of /var/lib/apt/ is, it's the loss of /var/lib/dpkg/ that's catastrophic
14:27<witte>kaynine: maybe just make the necessary directories if something complains that a directory is not there (or touch the files)
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14:27<kaynine>witte: I've done that to this point ....
14:27<kaynine>Reading package lists... Error!
14:27<kaynine>E: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2 No such file or directory)
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14:28<kaynine>I hesitate to copy over another system's status file :)
14:28<pepe>that one seems to keep installed/removed packages
14:28<kaynine>but it might get me to a point of reinstall/repair of known packages
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14:29<pepe>probably to resolve deps and such
14:29<pepe>i'd say backup your stuff and reinstall. if you are prepared, you have your old system in less than an hour
14:30<kaynine>touching that file let the 'update' proceed; subsequent 'upgrade' couldn't find anything to do, naturally enough.
14:30<pepe>try installing a base system now :)
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14:31<witte>kaynine: maybe this page helps?
14:31<maxb>kaynine: I don't suppose /var/backups/ survived?
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14:31<kaynine>maxh: yes! /var/backups/ looks good
14:32<maxb>My system has a /var/backups/dpkg.status.(various numeric suffices)
14:32<kaynine>pepe: I'm suspecting that a careful non-overwrite install could go quite well.
14:32<maxb>I don't know what exactly creates those so I assume it's some sort of default thing
14:33<kaynine>maxb: that's a great lead! I'll check those files, which look very promising.
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14:41<badana>hi. is there any nice file manager for text mode (console) for debian?
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14:41<dpkg>[mc] Midnight Commander an orthodox file manager for Unix-like systems (also works in Windows) and a clone of Norton Commander. Midnight Commander is a text mode application. The main interface consists of two panels which display the file system. see:
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14:42<latitude>petemc: what is this bang magic?
14:42<petemc>its how you talk to the bot
14:42<badana>thanks a lot.
14:43<latitude>are there some info about that?
14:43<badana>there is also one called lfm. i just found
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14:43<dpkg>from memory, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>..
14:43*latitude waves
14:43<latitude>petemc: how to use it?
14:43<witte>!tell latitude about selftell
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14:44<witte>!tell latitude about msg the bot
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14:44<Cv>Anyone have debs/compiled qlandkarte on etch? I'm having compile errors (seems like gt is too old, although it should be ok)...
14:45<latitude>witte: thanks and exuse my lameness :-)
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14:47<witte>latitude: you are welcome, dpkg is very wise, it has a lot of interesting knowledge :-)
14:47<witte>Cv: you might attempt a simple sid/testing backport...
14:47<witte>!simple sid backport
14:47<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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14:48<BlueBandana>Hello, i start with a start script ( startx --> mknod /dev/tty6 c 4 6 Xvesa -ac -screen 800x600 r & DISPLAY=:0 icewm-session
14:49<BlueBandana>i start it with sudo, and it always runs icewm then as root
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14:49<BlueBandana>i think, since xterm is always root terminal
14:50<Cv>witte: doesn't work, I tried to recompile source package but it seems it needs qt 4.3
14:50<BlueBandana>how can i adjust that i log in as user
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14:50<Cv>So I wonder if anyone managed to get it compilable on etch...
14:51<Cv>Or maybe have a package static compiled
14:51<daman>i set debian 4 for internet sharing with my network
14:51<witte>BlueBandana: what if you don't use sudo?
14:51<latitude>Cv: i thought qt4 is in etch
14:51<daman>i used iptables for nating and dhcp3 server
14:51<BlueBandana>then it will not start Xvesa
14:51<latitude>4.2 as i remember
14:51<kaynine>witte: thx for http lead!
14:51<BlueBandana>witte ^^^
14:51<latitude>so compiling 4.3 should not be a problem
14:52<daman>now everything is ok, exept some sites are not open, and i cant run msn messenger on my xp machine
14:52<daman>what should i do?
14:52<witte>20:51 <kaynine> witte: thx for http lead!
14:53<BlueBandana>witte any other ideas ?
14:53<Cv>latitude: I'd prefer not to recompile qt
14:54<latitude>Cv: well, you said it *needs* qt 4.3
14:55<witte>BlueBandana: not really,i do not really understand what you are doing with Xvesa etc, or what you are attempting to do
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14:56<Cv>latitude: that doesn't mean you can't e.g. change it to work with 4.2, or as I said compile it with 4.3 statically
14:57<BlueBandana>I can only use ICEWM or JWM with Xvesa... xserver-xorg and xfree86 do not work on this Laptop, what i am attempting to i have clearly written, i want to start ICEWM so that i am userX inside ICEWM
14:57<BlueBandana>and not root....
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14:58<latitude>Cv: of course, not
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15:00<daman>!seen jaakko
15:00<dpkg>jaakko <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 10h 54m 49s ago, saying: 'has there ever been a malicious feature in debian package on purpose?'.
15:01<latitude>daman: what you mean about some sites are not open. I can assume then, some work?
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15:02<latitude>daman: how do you provide DNS for your network?
15:02<daman>latitude: when i try to open for example, the opening takes forever
15:03<latitude>daman: still what about other sites?
15:03<daman>latitude, i didn set dns server becuse i dont know what it is
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15:03<daman>latitude, the same is for other site, and msn messenger on xp never connects
15:03<latitude>daman: so that's the problem
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15:04<latitude>try installing something like pdnsd
15:04<daman>latitude, which dns server you prefer? i was hearing about dnsmasq
15:04<daman>was good
15:05<latitude>daman: that's another beast of the same kind
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15:05<kaynine>witte: maxb: Thanks again! It looks like everything is in good order ....I'll keep an eye on it of course.
15:05<daman>latitude, ill use the one that youll prefer, so which one it is?
15:06<Mr_Giraffe>how do i change how much of a programs output displays at once?
15:06<alaya>program |less
15:06<fxiny>dnsmasq can do dhcp
15:07<daman>fxiny, but dhcp3 was easyer to configure
15:07<Mr_Giraffe>alaya, i tried that and it didn't really do anything
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15:08<witte>Mr_Giraffe: you can also pipe it to a grep: program | grep "thingy you want to see"
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15:08<daman>latitude, how to configure pdnsd?
15:08<Mr_Giraffe>witte, i know that, but it's still not working :/
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15:08<Mr_Giraffe>i do genisoimage -help | less to see it in chunks so i don't have to scroll painfully
15:08<Mr_Giraffe>and it's like LOLNOPE
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15:09<alaya>app -help > app_help.txt; less app_help.txt
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15:10<alaya>or genisoimage --help 2>&1 |less
15:10<Mr_Giraffe>what's the 2>&1 part do?
15:11<Cv>Hm it seems like in cvs the problem is fixed
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15:11<alaya>redirects STDERR to STDOUT
15:11<latitude>daman: if you're using resolvconf, just configure it during installation
15:11<Mr_Giraffe>ah, alright
15:11<Cv>ok, see you
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15:11<Mr_Giraffe>alaya, what're 0 and/or 3 then?
15:11<daman>latitude, im using resolv.conf
15:12<daman>latitude can i pm
15:12<Mr_Giraffe>i'm guessing one of those is STDIN but i'm not sure
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15:12<alaya>you could even write an alias like helpview='$1 --help 2>&1 |less'
15:12<latitude>go ahead
15:12<Mr_Giraffe>genisoimage uses -help though, not --help
15:13<latitude>daman: go ahead
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15:13<Mr_Giraffe>oh, both are valid.
15:13<alaya>for long option names, -- is usually standard
15:13<Mr_Giraffe>right, i guess they just like both
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15:14<Mr_Giraffe>where is the alias stored, anyway?
15:14<alaya>.bashrc normally
15:14<alaya>maybe they are switching it to .bash_aliasrc or something in the future
15:15<alaya>look up standard I/O streams for more info on 1,2...
15:16<Mr_Giraffe>also, stupid question, but what's rc mean?
15:17<alaya>usually refers to rc scripts - Runlevel Config
15:17<alaya>or release candidate
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15:17<Mr_Giraffe>i knew about release candidate, just not runlevel config
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15:17<alaya>look up system v runlevel
15:18<tingle>how can i check what wlan card i got?
15:18<tingle>did i minimal install so dont have to much tools
15:18<cahoot>lspci or lsusb possibly
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15:20<chealer>tingle: what kind of card is it?
15:21<tingle>chealer: onboard lspci doesnt do the trick
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15:21<chealer>tingle: in a laptop?
15:21<tingle>chealer: yes might this be it?
15:21<tingle>chealer: Apr 13 15:52:08 notebook kernel: iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, 1.1.17ks
15:22<chealer>tingle: yes
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15:22<tingle>chealer: great i did cat /var/log/messages|grep -i net while root
15:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:22<chealer>tingle: you don't see that in lspci?
15:22<dpkg>hmm... iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at or #ipw2100 @, or <wireless tree>
15:22<tingle>chealer: well i do now to be honest
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15:54<lockoff>getting 50 type 'line 3: import: command not found' errors when trying to execute a python script. apt reports 'python' installed. what can be wrong?
15:54<lockoff>line 3 is: import sys
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15:58<witte>lockoff: is the path to the python command correct
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15:58<witte>lockoff: the script should start with #!/usr/bin/python
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16:11<kanzure>What is xapien? Something to do with apt?
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16:12<witte>kanzure: I don't know xapien, it is not in debian if i am correct?
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16:13<kanzure>xapian; maymy mistake.
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16:14<witte>kanzure: the webpage is here:
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16:15<kanzure>I see. Not what I am looking for, then.
16:15<witte>and you can apt-cache search xapian and apt-cache show apt-xapian-index for more info
16:15<kanzure>I am trying to see if I can adapt APT for my own project.
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16:15<lockof1>getting 50 type 'line 3: import: command not found' errors when trying to execute a python script. apt reports 'python' installed. what can be wrong?
16:15<kanzure>I am in need of a package manager, but there seems to be no package manager out there that is abstracted away from the implementation os really
16:16<kanzure>maybe portage, but it looks heavily tied to gentoo at the moment ;)
16:16<witte>kanzure: have a look at the python eggs
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16:17<chealer>lockof1: do you have import?
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16:18<kanzure>witte: ?
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16:20<witte>kanzure: yes, i do not know a lot of it (in fact very little) but i used it once, and it seemed quite easy to use, and maybe suitable for you (and as it is in python, it is probably quite adjustable)
16:21<lockof1>chealer: ehm :-/ Ithought it is a function
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16:22<kanzure>witte: Looks like it might be useful. Their comparison to java-jars (well, zips) makes sense. I can probably take their scripts and abstract the principles to work with my 'eggs'. Thank you =)
16:23<chealer>lockof1: is the script OK?
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16:25<chealer>lockof1: can you provide it?
16:25<lockof1>does: "import datetime" look ok?
16:28<witte>lockof1: try to do your script line by line in a python shell
16:29<lockof1>line number 5 is "from XX import *" is not buggy
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16:39<poison>#join debian
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16:40<poison>hola a todos
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16:41<poison>como estan les comento que me pase a debian
16:41<poison>y es o mejor
16:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:51<kandrex>i got troubles with iwconfig
16:52<kandrex>poison bienvenido a Debian!
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16:53<poison>gracias hombre
16:53<poison>tengo que decirles a todos que debian es poder
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17:01<AzaTht>probably wrong channel, but I can't get any information from the ubuntu folks; anyone using ubuntu, laptop and an huawai e220 around?
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17:04<chealer>AzaTht: wrong channel
17:04<AzaTht>chealer: :-P
17:05<torrr>can someone help me route?
17:05<torrr>(ip route_
17:05<AzaTht>as the level of knowledge at freenode/#ubuntu is at "how do I copy a file"
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17:13<klausade>AzaTht: I do not own a huawai e220, but i do have a gt option, and might one day buy a huawai e220. what is the problem?
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17:14<Mr_Giraffe>how do i restart gtk?
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17:14<AzaTht>sometimes (most often) only one /dev/ttyUSBX is created
17:14<AzaTht>and I have never been able to hot plug it
17:15<Torsten_W>Mr_Giraffe: what?
17:15<AzaTht>though now, I made an even another reboot, and it created two
17:15<Torsten_W>Mr_Giraffe: restart x
17:15<Mr_Giraffe>Torsten_W, oh, alright :P
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17:16<kanzure>witte: One more question. Are there any package-management-like projects out there that try to formalize direct links to software in apt (or other repositories) to interpret that very same file format?
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17:29*latitude frozen
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17:37<brei>is there an example of a source package distributed on the debian mirrors where the corresponding binary .deb cannot be distributed?
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17:40<brei>i mean a program where the procedure described in is tested and ready, but the user has to do it himself
17:42<maxb>pine, if it hasn't been replaced by alpine already
17:42<maxb>But why?
17:43<brei>i'm just having a chat with my friend about software distros, and i'm checking facts. thanks.
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17:53<dli>brei, if so, the package couldn't be in debian. I guess firefox is one example
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17:54<maxb>I don't think you'll find firefox source packages on the official mirrors, though
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17:55<brei>i've just made myself a pine_4.64-3_i386.deb from files linked from
17:56<maxb>Of course, these days you can just apt-get install alpine
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17:56<brei>is there also source-only scaffolding for mplayer's all-20061022.tar.bz2 (or whatever the date) codecs?
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17:57<Guest6>is there a debian shop where i buy a tshirt or something to show my support?
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17:59<AzaTht>is it that apt can only utilize one cpu per time?
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18:00<black_13>i am looing for someone who has install vmware on debian lenny for tips
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18:23<superlinux>hi all
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18:24<superlinux>what is that package linux-image-xen-vserver all about??
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18:26<witte>superlinux: apt-cache show linux-image-xen-vserver
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18:27<witte>superlinux: on which debian version do you see that package?
18:27<superlinux>on the stable
18:27<superlinux>on the stable etch
18:28<witte>superlinux: mmm, apt-cache show does not give much info
18:28<superlinux>yea.. see
18:30<witte>superlinux: it is just a linux kernel with support for vserver and xen
18:30<dpkg>Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones.
18:30<dpkg>Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. Intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. #debian-xen on, or
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18:39<diogofm>Tem algums administrador ai !!!
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18:41<Snuffpig>hi, what is the default MTA that Debian comes with
18:41<themill>Snuffpig: exim4
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18:41<Snuffpig>excellent, ty
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18:48<Andre28>Ola, alguem que fala portugues e conhece um poko do Kurumin????
18:49<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
18:49<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: User Forums:, or see <based on Debian caveats>
18:49<Andre28>dpkg: Legal, mas num tem ninguem por lá!
18:50<witte>Andre28: dpkg is a bot, this is an English speaking channel about debian
18:50<Andre28>Ok... tks!
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18:52<Mr_Giraffe>is there any way to get aterm to play nice with midnight commander?
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19:06<DanglyBits>how do i load firefox 3 beta 5 and Adobe Flashplayer into Lenny?
19:06<DanglyBits>sorry Debian noobie
19:07<dpkg>i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
19:07<witte>!adobe flash
19:07<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
19:07<witte>DanglyBits: and firefox 3 is in experimental, but do you really need a beta version of firefox?
19:08<witte>DanglyBits: btw: firefox in debian is called iceweasel
19:08<DanglyBits>is there an iceweasel for firefox 3 b5?
19:08<DanglyBits>i heard its faster than
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19:09<Mr_Giraffe>is there any way to get aterm to play nice with midnight commander?
19:09<chealer>DanglyBits: iceweasel is a replacement of Firefox, but yes
19:10<Mr_Giraffe>i need a terminal that can support it besides xterm and gnome-terminal
19:10<witte>Mr_Giraffe: mrxvt?
19:11<DanglyBits>sorry noobie to do i get those experimentals into i need to change the repos?
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19:12<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference, or
19:12<Mr_Giraffe>witte, nope, same problem
19:13<witte>Mr_Giraffe: what is the problem?
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19:13<Mr_Giraffe>basically a bunch of gibberish appears all over the interface when i try to use midnight commander in anything but xterm or gnome-terminal
19:13<DanglyBits>cant be that unstable a lot of other linux distros are using it Ubuntu is using it as its primary browser...
19:13<Mr_Giraffe>i don't want to use gnome-terminal, and xterm does weird things on another server i ssh into
19:13<witte>Mr_Giraffe: probably that is a utf8 problem
19:14<themill>Mr_Giraffe: is your terminal using a sensible font?
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19:15<Mr_Giraffe>themill, perhaps not
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19:15<themill>Mr_Giraffe: i.e. one with good unicode support
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19:15<chealer>DanglyBits: few other distros (if any) use firefox betas by default. you must be thinking of Ubuntu's development snapshot.
19:16<Mr_Giraffe>bah, mrxvt won't work either
19:16<Mr_Giraffe>regardless of the font, it doesn't to alt-(number), which i use for irssi
19:16<witte>Mr_Giraffe: mrxvt does work with mc, i just tried ti
19:16<Mr_Giraffe>witte, it works, it's a font issue
19:17<Mr_Giraffe>but regardless, it doesn't do alt-(num) window changing with irssi
19:17<witte>Mr_Giraffe: you can use rcirc in emacs :-)
19:17<Mr_Giraffe>it's actually on my friend's server, i'm on xchat on the desktop
19:17<Mr_Giraffe>and i don't think he has emacs on there
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19:37<dpkg>from memory, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired.
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19:40<stb>I am looking for something to perform simple per-user network quotas on my home network - could someone please point me to any possible routes? I know there is an IPTABLES patch but I believe it is per protocol\port
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19:42<phillipsjk>Mr_Giraffe, I have the same probelm. It is becaes Etch used UTF-8 instead of ascii
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19:43<Mr_Giraffe>phillipsjk, gotcha
19:43<phillipsjk>Up to 6 bytes can be used to represent one character (usually less than 3)
19:43<themill>phillipsjk: no, it is because all of your applications aren't using utf8
19:43<themill>phillipsjk: it's not utf-8's fault :)
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19:44<phillipsjk>It hapens when the remote is not using UTF-8, yes.
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19:45*phillipsjk hasn't gotten around to fixing the problem
19:46<themill>dpkg: fix phillipsjk
19:46*dpkg takes phillipsjk to the vet for a "special" visit.
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19:50<phillipsjk>Well, I hope to fix it my upgading the one client to etch (complicated, not covered by D-I)
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20:05<phillipsjk>Does anybody know how to allow "normal" users to shutdown the machine? The debian method of granting access to devices (using groups) doesn't work because init is owned by root.
20:06<witte>phillipsjk: they install kdm or gdm, and they use "shutdown computer"
20:06<stb>shutdown -g now?
20:07<witte>stb: what does teh -g option, it is not listed in the man page
20:07<themill>phillipsjk: sudo
20:07<stb>what is the easiest way to setup per-user network quotas? I don't want to learn CBQ\shaper for something rather simple
20:07<stb>witte: sorry I'm on solaris at work
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20:08<witte>phillipsjk: you can also make a file /etc/shutdown.allow
20:08<phillipsjk>witte: I am using xfce and xdm
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20:10<witte>phillipsjk: mmm, shutdown.allow is maybe not what you look for
20:10<phillipsjk>witte: tried that (it works on the text console I see)
20:10<witte>phillipsjk: i do not think there is a shutdown button in xfcs
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20:11<phillipsjk>xfce has greyed-out buttons when the "Quit" button is pressed.
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20:11<themill>phillipsjk: ahh... that one again...
20:11<witte>phillipsjk: well, that is not the case if you use an other dm
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20:13<torrrrr>how do I save 'ip route' setup?
20:14<torrrrr>and 'ip rule'?
20:14<phillipsjk>rechecking the xfce documentatino I found it: "you have to be listed in the systems sudoers (file)"
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20:21<Flyme>how is everyone
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20:23<torrrrr>how do I save 'ip route' setup?
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20:26<Flyme>whats up tin
20:26<stb>Are CBQ filters per-user? As in, if I place a quota of 10Mb on HTTP, is that per-user or total?
20:27<Supaplex>no <3 of vserver patches for 2.6.24 :(
20:27<tin>nada, you?
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20:28<Flyme>nothing much , just chilling
20:29<tin>hmm, i wonder if anyone has had any luck connecting to a UO free shard on linux
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20:37<superlinux>hi all
20:38<superlinux>any arabs here? just curious . i am an arab
20:38<Flyme>whats up
20:38<tin>flyme, you play any games online in debian?
20:39<Flyme>Nope just got it like 2 ago juts getting use to it
20:39<tin>i switched from backtrack2 to debian last week
20:40<Flyme>seeing how much better it is then winblows
20:40<tin>on this system at least
20:40<superlinux>does any one have a compiled package of layer7-filter?
20:40<tin>if you need a bit of familiarity, there are ways to make it look like win2000 or winxp
20:40<Flyme>i use to use slackware like 5 years avo
20:41<Flyme>nah thats ok thanks tin dont want anything that looks like winblows
20:41<tin>osx then
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20:42<superlinux>what r u discussing guys?!! why dont you move on to the hard core linux?
20:42<tin>command line
20:42<superlinux>i dont mean commandline only
20:43<tin>kde... can't stand it
20:43<tin>i like gnome
20:43<tin>mostly because i've never seen a gui try harder to get out of your way than gnome does
20:43<superlinux>tin, 'tis good but slow
20:43<Flyme>gnome is allright
20:43<superlinux>i use now xfce
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20:43<superlinux>for about 6 months now
20:43<superlinux>very stable
20:44<Flyme>i only use kde for the music other then that i would use strictly Text
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20:44<tin>it seems like i've always had a root terminal open
20:44<tin>i don't sudo nothin
20:45<superlinux>Flyme, do u know much about firewalling?
20:45<Flyme>nah much
20:45<superlinux>ah ok
20:45<Flyme>ive opened up a few port i shouldnt
20:46<superlinux>cos there is a filter can be added to the iptables to match the appilications
20:46<Flyme> i getcha
20:46<superlinux>and what they send also
20:47<Flyme>hey there any program to make it so other ppl on the network i have here could see me open up other ports
20:48<superlinux>well they need a port scanner
20:48<Flyme>yeah i guess the other guys has a good one
20:48<Flyme>as soon as i open up a port ..with in like 2 sec he knows
20:48<superlinux>any why do u want that?
20:49<Flyme>well its not just that i want
20:49<superlinux>well you can make a perl script
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20:49<superlinux>running in the back
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20:49<salvin>console-data on sid is broken?
20:50<Flyme>i used to be really good at linux but its been like 5 years and this distro isnt Slackware so im not to use to it
20:51<superlinux>salvin, use stable and testing only!!!
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20:51<salvin>superlinux, i use sid only
20:51<superlinux>thats wrong
20:52<superlinux>cos sid is the unstable all time
20:52<salvin>i know
20:52<superlinux>and full of bugs
20:52<superlinux>just go back to testing
20:53<brei>stb: perhaps openbsd can measure network usage by user. grep for "accounting" in pfctl(8) and "user" in pf.conf(5). enforcing the quotas is another story...
20:53<Supaplex>salvin: bts can answer that
20:53<superlinux>i am serving - not only a desktop- like that
20:53<salvin>Supaplex, yes, it's broken
20:53<stb>brei: thx I'll have a look.. It seems most distros (monowall etc) have accounting but not enforcing of quotas
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20:54<superlinux>brei and stb: there accounting in Linux
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20:54<salvin>superlinux, sid hasn't too bugs
20:54<superlinux>anyway it's not safe
20:54<stb>superlinux: I'm looking for a simple way to enfore per-IP bandwidth quotas for my home LAN
20:55<Supaplex>superlinux: are you okay?
20:55<stb>is the quota support in iptables per-user?
20:55<superlinux>Supaplex, nah.. really-- i have flu
20:56<superlinux>stb skype me to tell u how on ranixlb
20:56<salvin>superlinux, can no one use sid?
20:56<Supaplex>stb: There might be a user module, but otherwise no.
20:56<dpkg>i heard sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>"
20:56<superlinux>salvin i dont trust it.. i tried it in the past and had gossip about it
20:57<stb>superlinux: i dont have skype at work, mate
20:57<superlinux>ok mate
20:57<Supaplex>sid is generally for developers and advanced users that can clean up after any mess they run into.
20:57<superlinux>stb Aussie?
20:57<superlinux>i live in cairns
20:57<salvin>Supaplex, i'm a developer...
20:57<superlinux>i have been in sydney
20:57<stb>what should I be looking at? netfilter? I'll brb ciggie.
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20:58<superlinux>ok.. here is my number 0405430905
20:58<brei>stb: have a script poll the accounting records every 300 seconds and change filter rules accordingly, but you knew that...
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21:00<Supaplex>stb: iptables -m owner --help
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21:17<tin>where did libois-dev go?
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21:22<phillipsjk>tin: was it on another irc server like
21:22<tin>i'm just trying to install a few packages and it can't find them
21:22<tin>they must be playing hide and go seek or something :(
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21:45<Supaplex>!lart ttyS[01]
21:45*dpkg cats /dev/urandom into ttyS[01]'s ear
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21:51<hachi>I'm trying to attach to a display on a remote note... :0
21:51<hachi>but xauth is getting in the way
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21:51<hachi>anyone know what the incantation is to say "yes, I'm root, let me touch the x server already"
21:52<tin>if boom shacka lacka doesn't work, i can't help you
21:53<hachi>actually, problem is that I just did an upgrade of debian on a box, and now XV is having colourspace problems
21:53<hachi>things are blue-shifted
21:54*Supaplex wiggles hachi's monitor cable
21:55<hachi>DVI cable in digital mode
21:55<hachi>things look fine when not using XV
21:55<hachi>was fine an hour ago before I upgraded
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21:56<hachi>still trying to get past xauth
21:57<hachi>I'm already root
21:57<tin>try it
21:57<hachi>debian:~# DISPLAY=:0 xvinfo
21:57<hachi>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
21:57<Supaplex>why not use vnc?
21:57<hachi>sudo won't be helping me, seriously
21:57<tin>are you running the server?
21:58<hachi>Supaplex: because I'm trying to debug a remote xserver
21:58<hachi>vnc is the wrong solution
21:58<hachi>of course I'm running the server, it's a bloody 32" TV
21:58<hachi>can tell 500' away that the server is running
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21:59<Supaplex>blue shifted? but blood is suppose to be red. ;)
21:59<tin>only when lacking oxygen
21:59<tin>as soon as blood is exposed to air, it turns red
21:59<Supaplex>start screen on the remote, and connect to it via screen -x
21:59<tin>i suppose that if you took blood and infused it with carbon monoxide, it might turn blue
22:01<hachi>can't start screen on remote, the whole reason I'm trying to bypass xauth is because I don't have a terminal
22:01<hachi>I don't even have a keyboard
22:01<tin>can you ssh in to it?
22:01<hachi>yes, that's how I'm on it already
22:01<tin>and if you boot into it as a single user?
22:01<Supaplex>stick it in .xinitrc and restart the server?
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22:02<hachi>NO KEYBOARD
22:02<hachi>starting up a terminal will have no real effect
22:02<tin>why no keyboard?
22:02<Supaplex>you don't need a keyboard to startx
22:03<hachi>I'll get a littel black box and no way ot type into it
22:03<hachi>I need to get past xauth, that's all I need
22:03<tin>have you tried booting into single user mode?
22:03<Supaplex>I never figured out how to bypass xauth sanely
22:03<dpkg>ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or really in xbase-clients
22:03<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, ...
22:04<Supaplex>!mit-magic-cookie =~ s/. Also, ..//
22:04<dpkg>that doesn't contain '. Also, ..', Supaplex
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22:09<totoro7>Hi! I'm having some issues with the Debian installer. It doesn't find my DHCP server, even though the network cable is properly working and the lights on the switch and network card are on.
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22:10<totoro7>I've already tried plugging in another network card and it still doesn't work
22:10<totoro7>the same network card works properly with Debian installer on other computers
22:10<totoro7>and I'm quite desperate :(
22:10<Supaplex>which card is it?
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22:11<totoro7>the onboard one is a Realtek 8139D, and the other one is a 3com, I'll go check the model
22:12<Supaplex>is the realtek the four port version? or just one? all my realtek 8139c/c+ nics work just fine with debian-installer.
22:14<totoro7>Realtek is one port. 3com NIC's model is 3c905b-tx
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22:15<totoro7>did a dmesg |grep eth just now before turning it off, it gave an error, something about "IRC 0", will turn on again to check it
22:15<Supaplex>try assigning it a manual ip similar to what your dhcp server would hand out (eg, use a free ip)
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22:15<Supaplex>oh interesting. what kind of machine is this in? any flakey apic/acpi issues?
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22:21<lindenle>anyone here get seamless connectivity to VM working?
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22:22<lindenle>virtual machine
22:23<Supaplex>uml? vmware? xen? qemu? kvm? something else? what kind of connectivity? bridged networking? ssh?
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22:24<lindenle>virtualbox and seamless over rdesktop
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22:25<Supaplex>can you connect via rdesktop? you want your files from the host accessible to the guest?
22:26<lindenle>I can connect but i want the windows to appear *seamless*
22:26<lindenle>the -A option in rdesktop
22:26<Supaplex>full desktop?
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22:26<lindenle>That works fine
22:26<lindenle>I see a full desktop now
22:27<Supaplex>I'm not aware of what SeamlessRDP mode is about
22:27<lindenle>no worries
22:27<lindenle>i was just asking for anyone who did
22:28<Supaplex>it looks like the man pages have some answers about it
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22:28<lindenle>Supaplex: Anything specific you are lookgin at?
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22:28<Supaplex>man rdesktop
22:28<lindenle>Yes i know that i have read it
22:28<totoro7>Supaplex, I think I just disconnected, I may have missed your last messages
22:29<lindenle>Followed instructions, nothing acting seamless....
22:29<Supaplex>totoro7: 00:03 < Supaplex> try assigning it a manual ip similar to what your dhcp server would hand out (eg, use a free ip)
22:29<Supaplex>totoro7: 00:03 < Supaplex> oh interesting. what kind of machine is this in? any flakey apic/acpi issues?
22:29<totoro7>hmm. it was a bit unstable while booting Windows (first time it didn't boot, subsequent boots rock solid stable), but I thought it was the onboard IDE so I disabled it and started to use the softraid onboard controller. Prime95 and memtest showed no errors...
22:29<totoro7>static IP doesn't work either. Gives me a red screen after setting it up, I'll see what error is it, but I don't remember it being very informative :)
22:29<totoro7>motherboard is a ECS K7VTA3, AMD Duron processor
22:29<totoro7>on dmesg appears: "eth0: could not reserve IRQ 0"
22:30<totoro7>funny thing is, I remember booting SystemRescueCd on that computer, and I don't remember having network issues... Windows didn't have a problem either...
22:30<Supaplex>yeah, that's pretty odd. irq 0 is the system timer I think?
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22:31<totoro7>dunno, i'm kind of a hardware noob ;-)
22:32<totoro7>anyway, I think I'll try booting SRCD again, just to clear if it really works with the NIC
22:32<Supaplex>#debian-boot might have some workarounds.
22:35<totoro7>wee! SRCD works. DHCP and all
22:38<totoro7>hmm, PnP OS is disabled on the BIOS here too...
22:38<totoro7>maybe if I just randomly change some setup settings... :)
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22:43<totoro7>ok, I just randomly switched some settings on BIOS' setup program
22:44<totoro7>AND IT JUST WORKED
22:44<totoro7>and now I don't remember what I've changed
22:44<totoro7>hmm, I disabled PCI delay transaction, but I guess I did that before...
22:45<totoro7>I also disabled some PCI power management settings, it could be it
22:45<Supaplex>who knows. :P you could write them all down, and try isolating it
22:46<totoro7>yeah... but right now I think I'll install debian just to be on the safe side :)
22:46<totoro7>in any case, thank you very much indeed
22:47<totoro7>\o/ :P
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23:02<Mr_Giraffe>hey, for some reason chmod won't actually change the permissions of a file beyond read-only, why is this?
23:03<Supaplex>what filesystem? is the filesystem read/write?
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23:04<Mr_Giraffe>it's fat, so it should be i'd think
23:04<Mr_Giraffe>but it's saying it isn't, and i don't know why...
23:05<Supaplex>I would expect fat to emulate part of that.
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23:05<Mr_Giraffe>well the filesystem is normally readable
23:06<Mr_Giraffe>er, writable
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23:06<Mr_Giraffe>Supaplex, any idea what might be going on?
23:08<Supaplex>nope. I have 0 fat filesystems here. (maybe one on a usb stick ... dunno where though)
23:08<chealer>Mr_Giraffe: when doing what?
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23:09<Mr_Giraffe>chealer, when doing anything
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23:09<chealer>Mr_Giraffe: ...such as?
23:09<Mr_Giraffe>trying to save music onto it, for example
23:09<Mr_Giraffe>cfdisk says it's read-only
23:10<abrotman>fat doesn't have unix style permissions
23:10<Supaplex>if the filesystem is mounted, why are you using cfdisk?
23:10<Mr_Giraffe>just to see if it would work, really
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23:10<Mr_Giraffe>so abrotman, how do i actually make the thing writable?
23:11<abrotman>the mountpoint
23:11<Mr_Giraffe>the reason it's fat is so i can use it on windows and linux machines
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23:11<Supaplex>how did you mount it? does mount say it's ro? you can't copy files onto it?
23:11<abrotman>Mr_Giraffe: where are you mounting the FAT partition ?
23:12<Mr_Giraffe>abrotman, on /media/mothra/
23:12<abrotman>Mr_Giraffe: ls -ld /media/mothra/
23:13<Mr_Giraffe>i know
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23:14<abrotman>that's not -ld
23:15<Mr_Giraffe>drwxr-xr-x 16 giraffe giraffe 16384 1969-12-31 19:00 /media/mothra/
23:16<Mr_Giraffe>for some reason it's saying 1969...
23:16<abrotman>so the user giraffe is the only one that could write there
23:16<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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23:54<JiuJitsuMan>have onde chanel off kurumin brasil?
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23:58<chealer>!tell JiuJitsuMan about kurumin
23:59<JiuJitsuMan>I am gentoo user, more need de info to wine in kurumin
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