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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-04-14

---Logopened Mon Apr 14 00:00:11 2008
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00:00<chealer>JiuJitsuMan: apparently not
00:00<JiuJitsuMan>I'am from Brasil and my english don't walking good...
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00:01<JiuJitsuMan>lol, kurumin no use de rc-update!!!
00:01<Supaplex>!br
00:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:02<dave_>mini distro kurumin :)
00:02<JiuJitsuMan><dpkg> thanks!
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00:02<dave_>#debian-es too
00:02<JiuJitsuMan><dave_> yes, very mini distro!!!!
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00:04<Supaplex>what kind of backend/middle-ware does cups (etch) need before it'll talk with hylafax?
00:04<abrotman>you want cups to send faxes or hylafax to print?
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00:05<Supaplex>yes, no
00:05<dave_>JiuJitsuMan, quanto tempo trabalhas com isso?
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00:05<JiuJitsuMan><dave_> com isso o que?
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00:05<dave_>kuru...
00:05<Supaplex>eg, print to cups fax, etc.
00:05<abrotman>Supaplex: i've only done it from the windows side, but it should be possible .. there's no cups2hyla or anything goofy?
00:06<abrotman>Supaplex: the docs for hyla fax are basically utter junk
00:06<Supaplex>apt-cache search is pretty slim. let me try <search> cups.
00:06<Supaplex>yeah. I have a business app that uses hyla, but there might be a way to patch it to use cups, or anything else instead...
00:07<JiuJitsuMan>dave_> putz, usei ele na distro 4.1 e nunca mais usei, instalei ele hoje pra tirar o win do hd, meu pai precisa do auto cad pra projetar, quero me libertar do windows definitivamente... uso gentoo
00:07<JiuJitsuMan>dave_> to usando o 7.0 agora
00:07<Supaplex>hummm
00:07<abrotman>JiuJitsuMan: english here .. go to #debian-br if you want to speak portuguese
00:08<JiuJitsuMan><abrotman> ok...
00:08<abrotman>thank you
00:08<JiuJitsuMan>dave_> pvt!
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00:08<dave_>time to leave! portuges canal for nuestros propositos! now
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00:18<Killing_Frost>Any reason mencoder is listed in the man pages but isn't available?
00:21<dli>Killing_Frost, you'd better build mplayer from source, according to mplayerhq.hu
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00:22<Killing_Frost>Is it going to be like trying to compile lame?
00:22*Killing_Frost laughs.
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00:23*Killing_Frost wonders if Debian is really using the SE Linux kernel distributed by the CIA
00:24<Supaplex>those patches are mainstream for like-EVAR
00:26<Killing_Frost>Like after 83 after the first wtc bombing, anyway.
00:27*Killing_Frost moves the 9 key over on to the left.
00:29*Killing_Frost wonders if a genuine Torvalds kernel will work with PAM now.
00:29<dli>Killing_Frost, mplayerhq.hu supports debian from its early stage
00:29<dli>Killing_Frost, you mean 93?
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00:30<Killing_Frost>Yeah. 93. Missed the key.
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00:32<black_13>is appropriate to ask about installing vmware on debian here?
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00:33<Supaplex>!vmware
00:33<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>.
00:33*Killing_Frost has to laugh at why the CIA of all agencies wants to make Linux work :their way." Catch ya later, dudes.
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00:35<black_13>supaplex what is the vmware-packager?
00:35<Supaplex>ask the bot :)
00:35<black_13>sure i got you
00:35<black_13>btw how do i ask the bot?
00:35<black_13>!vmware-support
00:36<Supaplex>just /msg dpkg if you want.
00:36<Supaplex>no - in vmware support
00:37<black_13>Supaplex, you mean the channel #vmware?
00:37<Supaplex>!vmware support
00:37<dpkg>from memory, vmware support is not offered here; go to <http://vmware.com/support> or join #vmware on irc.freenode.net
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00:39<black_13>so basically i am on my own!
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00:46<Supaplex>yup.
00:47<black_13>Supaplex, well dude i really feel alone on this one.
00:48<Supaplex>welcome to the world of non-free :P
00:48*Supaplex tidies up his place
00:49<black_13>would qemu be supported here?
00:50<Supaplex>more or less
00:50<Supaplex>xen and kvm are also other foss stuffs
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00:50<black_13>the reason i went to vmware was that qemu seems to just choke when i try to load my iso images im testing
00:51<black_13>i am using the debian live software to make iso images
00:51<black_13>and i dont want to burn cd after cd to test
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00:52<Supaplex>are you using the kqemu kernel module?
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00:53<black_13>i installed it.
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00:53<black_13>but that may not be the answer to your question though
00:54<black_13>i also when back and looked at the iso image its very large and this machine has 512 meg and the iso image is 130 meg in size
00:54<Supaplex>it won't keep the whole iso in ram
00:55<black_13>it starts choking when it tries to unsqaush the root fs
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00:55<mattia>ciao a tutti
00:56<mattia>list!
00:56<mattia>!list
00:56<dpkg>one warez list being sent to mattia
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00:57<Supaplex>ahh. I don't see how vmware should do much better. did you use the -kernel -initrd options qemu has?
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01:02<Villarroel>Hi.
01:02<Supaplex>greetings
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01:26<JustSoul>morning
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01:27<JustSoul>How to open .dejavu files?
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01:28<jm_>djview - Viewer for the DjVu image format
01:28<Supaplex>ubuntu: are you spying on us? :)
01:28<jm_>evince apparently also supportd it
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01:42<aztec105>did the squid channel just dropp of the face of the earth ?
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01:43<Supaplex>was it there to begin with?
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01:43<aztec105>well I was on #squid last night
01:43<aztec105>and there was tons of people there
01:44<dave_>a good channel for lear iptables ??
01:44<gsimmons>aztec105: You'd want #squid on irc.freenode.net. It's still there.
01:44<dave_>learn
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01:44<jm_>!iptables tutorial
01:44<dpkg>rumour has it, iptables tutorial is http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/
01:45<aztec105>gsimmons: thanks ...
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02:14<dave_>:)
02:14<dave_>see you debhelper
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02:56<ALFA_ANDIKA>dadsd
02:57<Supaplex>orly?
02:57<ALFA_ANDIKA>hiiiiiii
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02:57<Supaplex>high *puff*
02:58<ALFA_ANDIKA>lio.
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02:59<ALFA_ANDIKA>ytututy
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03:05<DaCapn>I installed wpa-supplicant, now I would like to remove it, but aptitude says that network-manager is broken and depends upon wpa-supplicant. What's the best route for removal of the package?
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03:06<jm_>uninstall both with dpkg
03:06<DaCapn>I don't want to uninstall network-manager.
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03:09<jm_>then you can't uninstall wpa-supplicant either
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03:13<DaCapn>So... is removal of both then reinstallation of network-manager the way to go?
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03:14<jm_>why do you think you need to reinstall anything?
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03:15<Joris>DaCapn: that's what dependencies are..
03:16<DaCapn>I guess I'm imagining that if I want a package, and I remove it, the only way to again have it would be to install it once again.
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03:17<jm_>verify its status first, my bet would be on it still being installed
03:17<DaCapn>I know that it is still installed.
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03:18<DaCapn>What I said is this: Would the best route be to follow these steps? 1) uninstall wpasupplicant and network-manager, 2) install network-manager
03:18<jm_>you'll end up with the same situation ...
03:18<DaCapn>wpasupplicant was installed subsequently. It is not required for the installation of network-manager.
03:19<jm_>yes it is
03:19<DaCapn>If that's true: how was network-manager previously installed and in use if it lacked that dependency?
03:20<jm_>it was installed with wpasupplicant, you just weren't aware of it
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03:21<DaCapn>so when I typed "aptitude install wpasupplicant" and it went through the process of acquiring the package and installing and configuring it, wpasupplicant was already installed on my system and running?
03:21<DaCapn>BEFORE I typed that command?
03:21<jm_>yes, it just upgraded it or so
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03:23<DaCapn>By that you mean replace the package with a newer version? Like there was a new build of the package and that's what was installed?
03:23<jm_>verify logfiles
03:23<jm_>yup
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03:25<DaCapn>It looks like the latest release of that package was in 2006. This installation is 2 days old. The first thing I do is update.
03:25<jm_>please check your logfiles
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03:29<DaCapn>It looks like the logs agree with you.
03:29<jm_>\o/
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03:31<DaCapn>Bizarre.
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03:37<jeanmiiii>Hi
03:37<jeanmiiii>I believe my system might have been compromised...
03:37<jeanmiiii>and I'd like to check the md5sum of my instakled files
03:37<jm_>!debsums
03:37<dpkg>well, debsums is a package that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files.
03:37<jeanmiiii>with the /var/loib/dpkg/info/package.md5sum
03:37<jeanmiiii>great thanks a lot
03:38<jm_>make sure to compare it with known good source
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03:38<Supaplex>please stand by while the matrix is formatting prior to reinstall . . .
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03:43<grub>hi, I am on debian lenny. I recently upgraded the package pidgin. I have 2.4.1-1 installed on my system. Ever since, I am unable to log into GoogleTalk. It shows a message "Server requires TLS/SSL for login. No TLS/SSL support found". What can i do about it?
03:44<Supaplex>did you search for plugins?
03:44<grub>plugins? what for?
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03:44<grub>I didn't have an issue to connect to GoogleTalk before the upgrade.
03:44<jm_>try installing pidgin-encryption
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03:46<grub>I still get the error
03:46<grub>installed pidgin-encryption too
03:47<morgan`>hello
03:47<jm_>maybe you have to restart it, no idea
03:48<grub>restart pidgin? Yep, tried that too. installed pidgin-encryption, and restarted pidgin. Still the same message
03:48<Supaplex>time to check bts I suppose
03:48<jm_>then you'll have to check bts/find someone who uses it
03:49<grub>Checking the BTS now
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03:50<jm_>#442818 sounds similar
03:51<grub>hmm
03:53<grub>weird, I don't even have Require SSL/TLS enabled in the advanced option.
03:56<grub>I guess, i should file a bug report.
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03:58<Slydder>morning all
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04:05<lockof1>hi. I have this kinid of problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=754542 (I know this is not #ubuntu and I am running debian). They solve it by entering #!/usr/bin/python as the first line but it doesnt seem to work for me. is it supposed to be commented?
04:06<EmleyMoor>Can an etch system repair an NTFS filesystem?
04:06<EmleyMoor>If so, do I need anything special?
04:08<lockof1>I think ntfs support has to be installed first
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04:08<lockof1>not sure
04:08<chealer>lockof1: can you provide the script?
04:08<dondelelcaro>lockof1: you'll have to give us the actual error that you're seeing.
04:09<lockof1>it is in the thread
04:09<lockof1>same script same error
04:09<chealer>lockof1: where?
04:09<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: ntfsfix ('ntfsprogs' package) can fix common filesystem errors.
04:11<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: OK - well, when my transfer kit arrives (tomorrow, with luck) I will try that on my mother's laptop hard drive
04:11<lockof1>http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=bc74bd7d75496d8fb8ffc6417eeca4fe&p=4712148&postcount=4
04:11<chealer>lockof1: that's just an extract from psychoman.exe's script. I'm talking about your script.
04:11<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: Hmmm... looks highly hopeful
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04:13<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: Don't need anything special done first other than installing that package if absent, do I? (stock kernel in use)
04:13<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: Not that I'm aware.
04:14*EmleyMoor heard someone say the other day "Not That File System" <g>
04:14<lockof1>chealer: the buggy line is the same. ill pastebin it
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04:22*EmleyMoor installs ntfsprogs in preparation
04:23<EmleyMoor>If it can set the partition to be properly chkdsk'd, that will probably do
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04:27<lockof1>chealer: http://www.pastebin.org/29626
04:28<chealer>lockof1: add a shebang
04:29<lockof1>this? #!/usr/bin/python
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04:31<EmleyMoor>lockof1: That must be at the top of the file
04:32<chealer>lockof1: yes
04:32<EmleyMoor>What do you get if you type "which python"?
04:33<lockof1>/usr/bin/python apt says its the latest
04:33<EmleyMoor>lockof1: So the first line of your script must be #!/usr/bin/python
04:33<lockof1>ok
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04:34<lockof1>I did that as the thread said but probably didnt save it before running :-)
04:34<lockof1>its ok now, thanx alot
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05:00<JustSoul>Hell o again. How to calculate in bash: $a+b ?
05:00<kmap>JustSoul: expr 1 + 2
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05:02<JustSoul>kmap: c=$(epxr $a + $b) ?
05:03<JustSoul>no
05:03<alaya>expr 8 / 7 = 1 ???
05:04<dondelelcaro>alaya: it does integer math
05:04<alaya>c=`expr 2 + 3`; echo $c
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05:04<alaya>dondelelcaro: i was guessing that
05:04<dondelelcaro>(if you want not integer math, use bc)
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05:05<JustSoul>alaya: thx. it can calculate float numbers(123.456 +234.567)?
05:05<JustSoul>dondelelcaro: thx
05:05<ilias>Hi all. I running Debian 4.0 under gnome desktop. i have some questions. 1) I tried to install StarOffice 5.0 from throught terminal window (as user, as help advise) but the installation was aborted and a get the following message: "window manager didn't set icon-using defaults" what does this message mean? How can force the installation?
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05:10<alaya>c=$(echo "2 / 3" | bc -l); echo $c
05:10<JustSoul>dondelelcaro: eer, short man for bc c=$a+$b ?
05:10<JustSoul>ou
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05:13<JustSoul>thx everybody
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05:13<bony>is there a way to recover deleted data with rm -r * command?
05:14<Torsten_W>try photorec
05:14<Torsten_W>it's in the testdisk-package
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05:29<jm_>bony: yes
05:29<bony>jm_, can you help me out in this regard?
05:29<jm_>!undeleting
05:29<dpkg>it has been said that undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
05:29<jm_>bony: ^^^^ check that URL
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05:31<bony>i had 190gb data in /mnt/disk/ which is a separate partition its hda 6. i mistakenly deleted all the files with the command rm -r * in /mnt/disk/ after that i did not do any thing with the partition.
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05:31<bony>jm_, i will check the above mentioned links. thanks for the help
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06:45<mattia>ciao a tt
06:45<mattia>!list
06:45<dpkg>one warez list being sent to mattia
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06:48<matteo1990>chanserv list *john*
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06:54<phorce1>using aptitude, how do I see what is causing some upgrades tto be held back before I start forcing things with 'install'?
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06:55<jm_>!held back
06:55<dpkg>somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
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07:06<phorce1>jm_: Thanks. I hadn't though of using --simulate
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07:27<k-man>whats the debian way to install a printer? (an hp 4050n)
07:27<RichiH>when i search for a package name on snapshot.debian.net, it will list _all_ versions that were ever available in debian, correct? or will it just list the newest one for whatever branch it found?
07:27<SlayerXP>k-man: install CUPS
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07:28<k-man>SlayerXP, its installed, but i could only seem to install the printer using a PCL driver as opposed to a PS driver
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07:28<SlayerXP>k-man: so go reconfigure it. by default, you'll have an admin web interface on http://localhost:631
07:30<k-man>ah.. ok, thanks SlayerXP
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07:48<eldkatt>my (laptop) cd-rom tends to spin down while I'm playing audio files from it--as if it thinks it's idle and doesn't have a reason to spin up again, and the audio player can't read from it. This is happening with xmms2 right now, but I've had it happen with VLC before so I suspect it's a more general problem. Any ideas?
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07:50<jm_>try playing with setcd command
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07:53<eldkatt>jm_, looks pretty helpful. Checking it out; thanks.
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07:57<stockholm>hi
07:57<stockholm>i have a usb cdrom that gets recognized during boot
07:57<stockholm>now i want to mount it
07:57<stockholm>(this is on etch)
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07:58<stockholm>there are a couple of deviced in /dev/usbdev/
07:58<jm_>check what's in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules
07:59<stockholm>but the names are not very telling, and there seems to be some kind of repeating pattern there too
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08:00<stockholm>jm_: this is it: ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="PepperC_Virtual_Disc_1_06829e01694406e714E72156DB3AC4FA", SYMLINK+="cdrom1", ENV{GENERATED}="1"
08:00<jm_>stockholm: is that the only line in it?
08:01<stockholm>jm_: no there are a dozent or more
08:01<jm_>stockholm: the last uncommented one
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08:02<stockholm>jm_: this is the last. ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="MITSUMI_CD-ROM_SR243T", SYMLINK+="cdrom5", ENV{GENERATED}="1"
08:02<jm_>stockholm: try /dev/cdrom5
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08:05<stockholm>its really slow
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08:10<HaMMiE>to lunch :)
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08:16<skywind>hi
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08:19<uldics>hello people! I need some help here. Maybe some of you more experienceed than me can help. ;) I moved from Etch to testing (Lenny) and now i do not get notified about new stuff in repositories. I suppose it was update-notifier which did that for me. So I tried launching it manually. But the answer is: libnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session
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08:20<azeem>uldics: try /etc/init.d/dbus restart maybe
08:21<uldics>I have tried it after many restarts, cold starts and so, suppose that would not help much
08:21<lockoff>does anyone know of some text encoding conversion tool?
08:21<petemc>!iconv
08:21<dpkg>it has been said that iconv is program that converts encoding of given files from one encoding to another.
08:22<lockoff>thnx
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08:24<uldics>dbus restart did not help as i thought
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08:24<uldics>same answer under user and root too
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08:28<uldics>Maybe there is another way of getting automatically notified under Debian testing in KDE?
08:29<themill>uldics: adept-notifier, perhaps
08:29<jm_>uldics: adept-notifier is not in lenny
08:29<jm_>!why is adept-notifier not in testing
08:29<dpkg>adept-notifier is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=adept-notifier
08:29<themill>:( fail
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08:29<themill>uldics: but if you're running testing, then you can pretty much assume that there will always be updates on a daily basis.
08:30<jm_>http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/adept.html
08:30<jm_>there
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08:30<uldics>jm_ thanks
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08:31<uldics>themill: exactly. I want to be a bit lazy and just read: there are 5 new packages to update. hehe!
08:32<jm_>try cron-apt
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08:34<themill>heh... reason why adept was removed "Request of Maintainer: broken beyond repair"
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08:35<uldics>ok, if it is foobar, is there alternatives to get notified of new updates in repos?
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08:35<jm_>fix it ;)
08:37<^A^kira>hey there
08:37<^A^kira>im trying to install compiz but my lenny says that i don't have xpdyinfo... and theres no this package at repos
08:38<jm_>xdpyinfo is a command name not a package name
08:38<^A^kira>well... what is the package?
08:38<^A^kira>x11-apps didn't do it
08:39<petemc>!find xdpyinfo
08:39<petemc>^A^kira: /msg dpkg search , for future reference
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08:39<themill>xbase-clients
08:39<petemc>x11-utils
08:40<petemc>is what dpkg told me
08:40<^A^kira>petemc: ill try it, tnx
08:40<dpkg>Debian Search of 'xdpyinfo' (1): (/usr/bin/xdpyinfo) in x11/x11-utils.
08:40<themill>hmm... might have moved in the xorg reorganisation that's been going in in lenny/sid.
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08:40<themill>petemc: definitely in xbase-clients in etch..... :(
08:40<petemc>apt-file on an older box says xbase-clients
08:41<petemc>yeah
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08:53<daman>hi all
08:53<daman>why some web pages are opening forever?
08:54<uldics>cause web is huge
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08:56<chandu>I want to create symlink using udev rules ..
08:56<daman>and why the same web with the same internet connection on same machine, but windows instead linux is opening in 3 sec
08:56<chandu>i.e sda to hda ..or sd* to hd* ..
08:56<chandu>How do I create it
08:56<chandu>I mean .how do I write the udev rule
08:56<jm_>chandu: read "Writing udev rules" document
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08:57<chandu>jm_ I gone thru the doc
08:57<chandu>jm_, and I have writted the rule as this
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08:58<chandu>jm_, KERNEL=="sd[a-z][0-9]", SUBSYSTEM=="block", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="hd ..."
08:58<chandu>jm_, Here I am taking Kernel recognised device name as "sd/a/b/c.../1/2/3.."
08:59<chandu>jm_, I want to create symlink for this like "hd/a/b/c/ ..1/2/3 "
08:59<chandu>jm_, I am not getting how to give this in "SYMLINK" parameter
08:59<jm_>chandu: use udevtest for help
08:59<chandu>jm_, I have tested that
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09:00<chandu>jm_, Whatever I give in SYMLINK ..like "hd*" it prints creats node hd*
09:00<uldics>Woooooohooooo! I think I found solution to my dbus problem. Installed dbus-x11 which somehow was removed by movint from etch to lenny. Now when I launch update-notifier manually, there is no whining about dbus problems, console stays frozen, which is good. Now I just need a restart and some updates to come up!
09:00<chandu>jm_, But Iwant like ..if kernel recognises as "sda1" ..then it should create symlink "hda1"
09:00<debacle>hi all, i think i've made a disaster on my debian. I've apt-get updated ssh. but my /tmp dir was mounted as noexec and so installation as failed. can any one help me ? please ?
09:00<chandu>jm_, if "sdb2" then symlink should be "hdb2"
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09:00<azeem>chandu: any reason for that?
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09:01<chandu>azeem, yep ... Actaully We have reconfigured kernel by removiing IDE Drivers
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09:02<azeem>chandu: that doesn't explain why you'd need symlinks
09:02<themill>uldics: good to know. Well done :)
09:02<chandu>azeem, But the utility what we are using for Thinclents ..is hardocoded with /dev/hda
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09:02<uldics>I am not sure yet, but looks like will be goody
09:02<debacle>can any one help me ?
09:02<chandu>azeem, So I want the /dev/hda should present along with /dev/sda
09:02<azeem>chandu: euh
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09:03<chandu>azeem, As libata itself will detect both IDE and SATA disks now .I have removed IDE Drivers and libata is detecting disk in Thinclient as well as in other machines as /dev/sda
09:03<uldics>chandu: can you try again, but before make the /tmp writeable by writing in fstab
09:03<azeem>well, that's understood
09:04<azeem>I didn't know you were using broken software
09:04<chandu>azeem, ok
09:04<chandu>azeem, so I want to create symlink /dev/hda ..whenever there /dev/sda
09:04<azeem>I read that
09:04<k-man>how can i play .asx files in iceweasel?
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09:05<chandu>azeem, Specficallly for /dev/sda I can directly give symlink name as hda
09:05<chandu>azeem, But I want it to be dynamic ..
09:05<chandu>azeem, bcz all the time it may not /dev/sda ..it can be /dev/sdb sdc ..so corresspoding links should be hda //hdb and hdc ..like
09:06<themill>chandu: sounds like you really want to mount by UUID instead. I presume that's your main problem.
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09:07<chandu>themill, Mounting is not a problem ..I just want to create sybmolic link ..dynamically
09:07<jm_>chandu: you can run a shell script to do the job
09:07<jm_>k-man: MediaPlayerConnectivity extension + mplayer
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09:08<debacle>can anyone help me please?
09:08<chandu>jm_, you mean to run shell script thru udev rules ..
09:08<jm_>chandu: yes
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09:08<jm_>debacle: fix it and run dpkg --pending --configure
09:09<chandu>jm_, Ok ..will try it
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09:09<debacle>jm_: is there a way to remount tmp without editing fstab and rebooting ?
09:10<carnivalhands>what's a good livecd for wifi laptop?
09:10<jm_>debacle: yes
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09:10<debacle>jm_ : how ?
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09:11<jm_>debacle: mount has remount option
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09:13<libervisco>What's up with console-common??
09:13<azeem>!ask
09:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:13<debacle>jm_ : thanks ... remounted successfully now i've executed "dpkg --pending --configure". It gave me NO errors or messages ... Do you think the problem has been fixed ?
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09:14<jm_>debacle: probably
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09:15<libervisco>I have a problem with console-common. I am running Debian Sid. when I try to do dist-upgrade I get the following output: dpkg: error processing console-common (--configure):. I expect it to dist-upgrade without errors.
09:15<libervisco>Fine? :P
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09:28<uldics>few restarts and my update notifier is manually possible to start, but it is not starting automatically. even after reinstall. I have heared Debian has a policy - never change old config files or something like that. How do i get my update-notifier to do its job as it did before i upgraded etch --> lenny ?
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09:38<daman>!seen jaakko
09:38<dpkg>jaakko <~jaakko@a83-245-253-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 5h 32m 20s ago, saying: 'has there ever been a malicious feature in debian package on purpose?'.
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09:40<Snuffpig>!see root
09:40<Snuffpig>!seen root
09:40<dpkg>root <~peppino@host208-118-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 77d 15h 41m 32s ago, saying: 'grazie mille'.
09:40<Snuffpig>!seen snuffpig
09:40<dpkg>snuffpig is currently on #debian (13m 59s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen snuffpig'.
09:40<Snuffpig>!seen jews
09:40<dpkg>Snuffpig: i haven't seen 'jews'
09:40<Snuffpig>lolz
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09:41<debacle>i' have defined eth0:1 in my /etc/network/interfaces file. if i type ifup eth0:1 the interface works but on every reboot the interface is down and i hve to ifup it everytime. HOw can i fix this ?
09:41<daman>how to setup dns with dnsmasq ??
09:41<opera>debacle: add it to the auto-line perhaps?
09:41<opera>im not sure, but that might do the trick
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09:43<debacle>i've defined in this way "allow-hotplug eth0:1"
09:43<opera>hmm
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09:43<opera>im not all that sure what allow-hotplug actually does, tried adding it to auto?
09:43<debacle>it works for eth0 .. but not for eth0:1
09:44<opera>as in "auto lo eth0:1"
09:44<debacle>no ... so ... do i have to set it as "auto eth0:1" ??
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09:45<opera>try it and se if it works?
09:45<debacle>ok ... just a sec ! please !
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09:46<DaCapn>I've got a broadcom based wireless card in a dell laptop. I've been able to extract the firmware using a version of bcm43xx-fwcutter, and have the bcm43xx driver loaded. The network-manager doesn't seem to list a wireless device. There doesn't appear to be anything helpful in dmesg. Any ideas on how to proceed?
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09:47<gsimmons>daman: See /usr/share/doc/dnsmasq/setup.html
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09:50<Snuffpig>wireless broadcom's suck donkey balls
09:50<miroslav>český?
09:50<miroslav>asi ne!
09:50<DaCapn>!ru
09:50<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
09:51<DaCapn>Maybe that's russian?
09:51<opera>!cz
09:51<dpkg>i heard cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
09:51<lalala>!no
09:51<dpkg>No Offense
09:51<debacle>opera: IT WORKS ! thank you man !
09:51<DaCapn>Yeah, that one too.
09:51<opera>debacle: sweet :)
09:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 362] by debhelper
09:52<opera>np
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09:54<bony>will ext3 partition support a single file size upto 220GB?
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09:55<DaCapn>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3
09:55<SlayerXP>bony: you forgot to ask google
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09:55<bony>SlayerXP, oops sorry i was very curious
09:55<Snuffpig>bony: yes, very easily
09:55<bony>ok
09:55<bony>cool
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10:04<mysupper_>hello
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10:08<mysupper_>My graphic card is X800GTO with two moniters (one is 1680x1050, other 1280x1024) and I installed atidriver using Gome on stable release. But my dualhead card don't show me extended looks. I tried some other aticonfig methods and I succeeded , but the resolution don't looks like appropriate. Anybody have some ideas?
10:08<mysupper_>or is this the limit of ati drivers?
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10:21<brice>hello
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10:21<brice>little question...
10:22<brice>/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl: No such file or directory
10:22<brice>bug or misconfiguration ?
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10:29<SlayerXP>brice: yes.
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10:36<debacle>where do i have to set the nameservers ??
10:36<kjetil_>/etc/resolv.conf ?
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10:37<brice>SlayerXP: yes what?
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10:37<raph_ael>hi
10:37<raph_ael>i'm looking for a potato package archive
10:37<debacle>ok ... thanks ... and can you tell me if /etc/resolv.conf bypass nameservers defined in /etc/network/interfaces
10:38<raph_ael>is there any ?
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10:38<themill>raph_ael: no... long gone. Individual packages might still be on snapshots though
10:38<themill>!sdn
10:38<dpkg>well, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems.
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10:40<raph_ael>themill: thanks, in fact the one i was looking for was not any more on snapshot
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10:40<UnixD>I'm going to package some third party nagios plugins (unofficial packages, not full debian developer ones) - should the packages be called nagios-plugins-sample-name or nagios-sample-name-plugin?
10:41<themill>raph_ael: :(
10:41<aptituz>UnixD: if you don't intend to package them for the Debian project who should answer you the question then?
10:42<UnixD>They'll be usable on Debian but I'm not a dev so they won't be official packages. I just don't want to trample over naming schemes.
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10:42<UnixD>So personal (but free and public repo) rather than a full upload
10:43<aptituz>and why can't they be packaged for and included in Debian? License issues?
10:43<UnixD>No, it's more an issue of quality - these'll be my first packages and I'm not arrogant enough to think they'll be right for inclusion for a fair while.
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10:46<raph_ael>themill: it was for this : http://scwm.sourceforge.net/
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10:48<SlayerXP>brice: yes, it's a bug, or a misconfiguration
10:49<fl>lu les gars, il y un truc que je comprends pas en hexa la somme de 04 et FC ca donne quoi ? depassement ?
10:49<fl>sorry error
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10:49<knoppix_>hallo
10:50<UnixD>so aptituz - any suggestions? the composite packages seem to favour nagios-plugins-groupname where as the only single one I can find (which is a bit special in Nagios terms) is nagios-nrpe-plugin
10:50<SlayerXP>knoppix_: please note, this is #debian and _not_ #knoppix
10:50<^A^kira>i've installed ati proprietary drivers from ati page but fglrxinfo shows me Messa.... is thats right?
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10:50<Guest95>ich bin in berlin nur 1 tag
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10:50<Guest95>ich ill sex haben
10:51<Pryon>sorry to hear that
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11:10<aptituz>UnixD: well, it doesn't matter how you name them if you don't intend to spent the effort the get them distribution ready. but if you really want to have them named like the nagios maintainers would do should you ask them
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11:19<UnixD>I do intend to put the effort in, I just don't expect them to be accepted right away and I might as well let people use them in the mean time. If I can minimise the changes that'll have to take place to make them debian ready then all the better.
11:20<UnixD>Thanks for the pointer to some one that actually has an answer, much appreciated.
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11:24<ranix>ok, so I tried to use the nvidia binary drivers and they worked once upon a time. Now the official driver works immediately after installing, but does not survive a reboot. How do I remove the drivers with prejudice so that I can retry installing "the debian way"?
11:25<alanhaggai_>Hi. How can I remove Gnome fully (with all it's applications. Eg: Update Manager, GVim, et cetera)? I have KDE, installed.
11:25<cahoot>!remove gnome
11:25<dpkg>hmm... remove gnome is remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common
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11:26<ranix>nevermind guys, I got it uninstalled
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11:27<ranix>My new question is, how do I get nvidia-glx in Lenny?
11:27<mysupper_>My graphic card is X800GTO with two moniters (one is 1680x1050, other 1280x1024) and I installed atidriver using Gome on stable release. But my dualhead card don't show me extended looks. I tried some other aticonfig methods and I succeeded , but the resolution don't looks like appropriate. Anybody have some ideas?
11:27<mysupper_>or is this the limit of ati drivers?
11:27<alanhaggai_>Thank you cahoot
11:27<cahoot>alanhaggai_: was just a vector
11:28<alanhaggai_>cahoot: What?
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11:28<cahoot>alanhaggai_: was trying to be witty - disregard please
11:29<alanhaggai_>cahoot: Okay. :-)
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11:30<alfred3x>hello. Can someone help me with a MySQL pkg?
11:31<themill>!ask to ask
11:31<dpkg>Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
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11:32<alfred3x>OK, the current pkg seems to be 5.0.32, and the latest version from MySQL is 5.051.
11:32<alfred3x>There are issues with 5.0.32 which are causing us pain.
11:32<alfred3x>Who do we speak to about upgrading the pkg?
11:33<SlayerXP>alfred3x: you could see if there's a backport
11:33<alfred3x>what's a backport?
11:33<SlayerXP>also, you don't mention which debian tree you're on
11:33<themill>5.0.51a-3~bpo40+1 is on backports.org
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11:33<themill>SlayerXP: 5.0.32 is in etch
11:33<SlayerXP>id it's stable, then the answer is "no-one, unless there's a backport"
11:33<SlayerXP>if
11:33<themill>!tell alfred3x about bpo
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11:37<alfred3x>Thx for your help guys. I'll look into backports.
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11:47<ranix>I need a little bit of help. I'm running Lenny and I'm trying to install the nvidia-glx package. I assume that I need to backport it from Sid or something since for some reason it's been removed from Lenny, breaking the nvidia-kernel installation process. How do I get my hands on a nvidia-glx in Lenny?
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11:48<ranix>:( it's kind of dead in here this morning
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11:48<bcochofel>Hi, how can I install wengophone on etch?
11:49<craig>!ssb
11:49<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
11:49<ranix>thanks craig
11:51<ranix>craig: apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx gives me some nonsense about not being able to find source package nvidia-graphics-drivers
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11:52<azeem>ranix: /msg dpkg non-free
11:53<ranix>azeem: I have non-free
11:53<azeem>in your deb-src line
11:54<ranix>azeem: yep
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11:54<ranix>nvidia-glx is out of lenny
11:54<azeem>what line did you add to sources.list?
11:55<ranix>deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
11:55<azeem>ranix: 17:51 < azeem> in your deb-src line
11:55<ranix>oh
11:55<ranix>durrr
11:55<ranix>thanks azeem
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12:14<knoppix_>hola
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12:14<Guest105>QUE?
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12:15<Guest105>QUIEN ERES?
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12:17<Woet>How to kill a screen?
12:17<Woet>like, 'screen -mds test ....'
12:17<Woet>and I want to kill screen with ID 'test'
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12:19<Woet>or, why does 'ps faux | grep server120' give result
12:19<Woet>while 'killall server120' doesnt kill it
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12:51<mattia>new production
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13:19<donny_>hi all. git-core should depend on curl. in Etch it doesn't.
13:19<donny_>err
13:19<donny_>recommended or suggested or whatever
13:19<donny_>but it isn't
13:20<Supaplex>!bts
13:20<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
13:20<themill>donny_: git-core recommends curl
13:21<themill>donny_: http://packages.debian.org/etch/git-core
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13:27<debacle>Hi all, i've a connectivity problem with debian. Can i assign 2 IP to the same ethernet ?
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13:28<debacle>well i think yes... and my ifconfig output report eth0 and eth0:1 UP, RUNNING
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13:29<Mr_Giraffe>debacle, why would you want to?
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13:29<debacle>i'd like to do this because i need two internet connection
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13:30<debacle>so eth0 has IP (82.106.xx.xx) and eth0:1 has IP 77.43.xx.xx
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13:32<debacle>i'like to use eth0 as default gateway, i need to bind to 77.43.xx.xx only sshd
13:32<debacle>is it possible ?
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13:33<robotook>I'm having trouble getting ncurses type applications looking right in screen. I'll get funky characters instead of lines, i've tried setting the term correct, running with the -U option, checked terminfo/cap and it matches the one i'm using when i'm not in screen, but it's not displaying it right.
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13:33<stockholm>debacle: that is a standard trick in order to get around limitations on number of ports and concurrent connections. so it works
13:34<stockholm>debacle: yes, that is possible. you can do all kinds of routing magic with ip command
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13:34<stockholm>check the ip documentation. i think there are examples in the advanced routing guide (or so)
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13:35<ranix>thanks for the help azeem, I finally got my nvidia drivers working
13:36<debacle>stockholm: please explain. I do now want modify my routing table. I only want add an ip (77.43.xx.xx) and bind to that ip sshd.
13:36<debacle>do i need iproute2 to do this simple job ???
13:37<themill>robotook: This can also depend on you using a sensible locale (UTF-8) and having a good unicode font for your terminal.
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13:37<stockholm>debacle: can you tell ssh to what ip to bind?
13:38<stockholm>debacle: most likely ifconfig, route etc will do too
13:38<debacle>stockholm: sure ! sshd config has listen directive it accept values like server:port
13:39<stockholm>debacle: great.
13:39<stockholm>debacle: so what is the remaining problem?
13:40<debacle>stockholm: the problem is that it doesn't work ...
13:40<stockholm>does it say why?
13:40<themill>!doesn't work
13:40<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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13:41<robotook>themill: i am using UTF-8, my terminal should be since it works fine when i'm not in screen, screen with the -U option tells it everything sends in UTF-8 so that shouldn't be a problem i think!
13:41<stockholm>hi schue
13:42<robotook>the local in screen and out is set to the same thing too
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13:42<debacle>stockholm: sshd seems to start and no problems are logged. if locally i ssh to 77.43.xx.xx ip sshd respond. but if i ssh 77.43.xx.xx machine from another machine it doesn't work
13:42<themill>robotook: what terminal are you using?
13:43<debacle>dpkg: excuse. i got a operation timeout
13:44<debacle>robotook: terminal ? it's a xterm strandard
13:44<stockholm>debacle: any firewalls involved?
13:44<debacle>robotook: i do not think it's a terminal compatibility problem ... but a connectivity issue
13:45<stockholm>are the involved IPs all in the same subnet?
13:45<themill>debacle: robotook is asking and answering questions that are not to do with your ssh problems.
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13:45<debacle>stockholm: firewall ...just checked ... iptables -L -n report no rules !
13:46<stockholm>on all involved boxes?
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13:47<debacle>stockholm: yes ... i'm going crazy ... just because i i ssh the default gateway it works
13:47<debacle>is it possible that sshd accept connection on that ip and reply on default gateway ip ?
13:48<debacle>stockholm: in this case i really need to use 'ip' command
13:49<stockholm>debacle: you need it to answer connections on the same ip they come in on
13:50<themill>sounds an awful lot like a misconfiguration in the network settings, ssh or both
13:50<schue>stockholm: howdy!
13:51<schue>stockholm: getting ready to head to FISL.
13:52<robotook>uhh, xterm and eterm
13:52<robotook>tried both
13:53<stockholm>schue: ah, nice
13:53<robotook>set it to all terms just for to test and same problem. eterm makes it worse, Eterm is the same as everything else so it could be a term problem
13:53<themill>robotook: hmm.... lots of people come here with screen problems like this, and normally it's just making sure that locale + TERM + screen + terminal + font are all set sensibly and it works. (but I don't use screen myself!)
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13:54<hachi>does openbox on debian leak memory?
13:55<robotook>terminal meaning my client? like i used putty and sshed into the box from my deb box, same deal.
13:55<themill>robotook: terminal meaning gnome-terminal, xterm, putty, konsole etc. (putty is a particularly bad one for this)
13:56<ranix>robotook: set your font to utf-8 in putty
13:56<ranix>robotook: eterm does not support unicode
13:56<themill>robotook: for putty, see http://wp.sieker.info/ascii-line-drawing-in-putty
13:57<robotook>for Eterm and putty, it works when i'm not in screen, so my terminal shouldn't be the problem??
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13:57<robotook>i'll check that link out
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13:57<ranix>robotook: that depends on some things. Maybe your locale is set wrong on the host
13:57<robotook>ok
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13:58<ranix>robotook: I once had a problem like that but it was so long ago that I don't recall. 2006 maybe
13:58<soussou>hi all
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14:01<fxiny>robotook: is mc giving you bad chars ?
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14:02<robotook>fxiny: it's finch
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14:03<fxiny>right , so mc is fine then
14:03<fxiny>can't be screen
14:04<robotook>mc being midnight commander?
14:04<fxiny>yes
14:04<fxiny>try runnning it
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14:06<robotook>fxiny: same thing with mc
14:07<grub>hello. I have a remote debian system, which restarted in its own. Where should i be looking at to know what must have happened to cause that reboot?
14:07<fxiny>so is utf8 : try running it : LC_ALL=C mc
14:07<grub>i checked /var/log/messages but it didn't show anything helpful
14:07<Matt>grub, take a look at /var/log/messages
14:07<Matt>find the last syslog restart line, and read immediately before
14:07<Matt>not having much to go on is pretty typical
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14:08<Matt>unless it was cleanly rebooted
14:08<fxiny>robotook: i use mrxvt , i had problem with mc in scren cause mrxvt does not support utf8 , now with plain en_US i'm ok
14:08<grub>Apr 13 19:01:06 funk syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart.
14:08<grub>Apr 13 19:01:06 funk kernel: klogd 1.4.1#18, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
14:08<grub>i get that, and immediately after that follows reboot
14:08<grub>i mean, the messages on reboot
14:09<grub>I wonder what could have been causing this. What i wondered was, maybe overheating maybe causing the reboot?
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14:09<grub>Where do i get info regarding that even?
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14:11<robotook>fxiny: still no go, i'll look deeper into the locales/terms
14:11<robotook>thanks for helping
14:12<fxiny>robotook: tye LC_ALL=C mc and then run mc
14:12<fxiny>type*
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14:13<robotook>same
14:13<robotook>LC_ALL=C mc started up mc
14:13<fxiny>right
14:15<robotook>k, thought it wasn't suppose to since you said then run mc, but same problem =(
14:18<phillipsjk>debacle: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.5
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14:24<phillipsjk>grub: could somebody be hitting [ctrl]-[atl]-[del]?
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14:25<grub>phillipsjk: nope, this is actually a cpu kept away from human interaction ( almost :P ) in some dorm.. The guy at the other end says nobody restarted. But the logs have nothing, so i wonder what could the problem be
14:25<poker>http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2201/sbtshtophplab0.jpg
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14:27<phillipsjk>grub: the actual word "restart" in the log suggests its not a power problem *shrug*
14:28<poker>wow too much humans here 0_(
14:29<phillipsjk>If it hapens at the same time every day, it may be a cron job.
14:29<poker>I wonder if theyre all stoned :P
14:29<grub>hmm
14:30<stockholm>poker: no, not me.
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14:32<phillipsjk>poker: you may like #debian-offtopic ;) (fewer people there)
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14:34<poker>yea but I just got to say something important
14:34<poker>it can change the world
14:34<poker>http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2201/sbtshtophplab0.jpg
14:35<poker>so anything else homies?
14:35<themill>poker: Do you have a debian-related question that you'd like to ask? If not, please be quiet.
14:35<Matt>phillipsjk, actually, the word "restart" is the first thing syslog writes to the logfiles when it's started
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14:36<poker>yea i got a question
14:36<poker>why does it crash so often when someones spamming like shit ass motherfucker
14:36<fxiny>hmmm
14:36<themill>poker: please go away
14:37<phillipsjk>grub: I take my coompent about the power problem back (matt explains why)
14:37<poker>but i asked a question :S
14:37<fxiny>shutdown sequence initiated
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14:38<phillipsjk>err That is, the word restart in the log is normal.
14:38<poker>well laterz niggerz
14:38<Matt>if there's a bunch of stuff immediately before the syslog x.y.z: restart that looks like a shutdown, then it was cleanly rebooted
14:38<poker>dont blow much k :P
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14:39<Matt>if the last thing before syslog x.y.z: restart is a --MARK-- or suchlike, it went down hard
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14:39<poker>sup homies
14:39<Matt>which can be all manner of things
14:39<grub>Matt: yes, thats what i see before that restart
14:39<grub>--MARK--
14:39<fxiny>logrotate ?
14:40<poker>any niggaz here who like to talk :P
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14:40<Matt>from someone in the datacentre knocking the reset button, to a power glitch, to a kernel panic (assuming your kernel is set to reboot after a panic), or possibly a hardware problem
14:40<azeem>poker: do you have a Debian question?
14:40<poker>ye
14:40<Matt>although a lot of the time, overheating and suchlike manifests itself as a lockup, not a reboot
14:40<poker>why does it crash so often when someones spam like sit
14:40<poker>shit
14:40-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
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14:41<azeem>poker: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please keep it on-topic from now on
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14:41<grub>Matt: hmm. I have the default etch installation, what is the kernel set to do in case of a panic?
14:41<Matt>off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you :&)
14:42<Nico_nico>hello there. I'm a newbie. I'd like to have php5-cli run on my debian. I ran apt-get install php5-cli. all went ok. I created a php script (simple echo) and launched the command php -f test.php. I had no error, but it didn't echo. instead, i got 'an#' on the prompt
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14:42<phillipsjk>poker: what do you mean by "crash"? I would guess that at most the system would become unresponive temporarily.
14:43<Nico_nico>i must say that my prompt was exactly like this : root@debian#an#
14:43<themill>phillipsjk: poker is +q and now gone...
14:44<phillipsjk>yes, I see that :P
14:44<themill>phillipsjk: just making sure you're not talking to yourself for too long... (or giving oxygen to the troll)
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14:45<phillipsjk>trolls are people too!
14:45<Nico_nico>could anyone help me ? please !
14:46<themill>Nico_nico: just hit enter again. Your script didn't output a newline at the end (or it output a carriage return instead)
14:48<Nico_nico>themill : I don't think the problem be here. The php command didn't return an error, still, there is no output(except the end of my prompt)
14:48<Nico_nico>i hit enter, and the prompt is ok, but the php command isn't
14:49<themill>Nico_nico: right.. so you've narrowed down your problem to a php question now ;)
14:49<Nico_nico>(i don't know if i am clear in my explainations, but i'm not fluent in english)
14:49<Nico_nico>:)
14:49<themill>you're doing fine!
14:49<Nico_nico>thanks
14:49<themill>Nico_nico: do you want to pastebin your php script?
14:49<themill>!paste
14:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:50<Nico_nico>it's just '<?php echo "toto"; ?>
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14:50<Nico_nico>just for test purpose
14:51<Nico_nico>with carriage returns instead of spaces
14:51<dylanwh>Has anyone else noticed using sudo + aptitude autoclean in an x terminal causes ... what can only be described as spurious carriage returns?
14:51<themill>Nico_nico: ok, so to fix that problem, make it: '<?php echo "toto\n"; ?>
14:51-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
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14:52<themill>Nico_nico: in php, a \n within double-quotes makes a new line.
14:52<dylanwh>I am having no luck figuring out what search terms to use for this bug, it's insane... :-/
14:52<Nico_nico>great. it works fine
14:52<themill>Nico_nico: :)
14:52<bzz>hi all, why i can't install debian on computer with p965 chipset? i even try to install backported-debian with 2.6.24 kernel - cdrom not found ( sorry my english
14:52<bzz>and on my notebook cant see network card :)
14:53<Nico_nico>thanks a lot. But why did it output an# instead of "toto"
14:53<Nico_nico>?
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14:54<themill>Nico_nico: it didn't, it output some stuff but the prompt for the next line dumped rubbish on top of it. Probably, the last line of your script is a \r (carriage return) not a \n (line feed)
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14:54<Nico_nico>ok. thank you themill
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14:57<themill>Nico_nico: no worries.
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14:59<angasule>is Michal Čihař or anyone involved in gammu in here by any chance?
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15:13<phillipsjk><dylanwh> I can't reproduce your problem as root and locked myself out of sudo for that command.
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15:13<hello>can anyone help me? cdrom-detect: CDROM-detect failed; unmounting CD just to be sure. I can't install debian:( (kernel 2.6.23-1-686)
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15:15<hello>anyone?:)
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15:20<dylanwh>phillipsjk: it happens on every debian lenny install I have, on both amd64, x86, and ppc.
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15:20<dylanwh>s/both/all of/
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15:22<phillipsjk>dylanwh, does it happen it you su root first? What X terminal are you usinG? (I am using etch btw)
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15:23<dylanwh>phillipsjk: it only happens if I use sudo;
15:23<dylanwh>it happens with xterm, rxvt, and rxvt-unicode.
15:23<dylanwh>sudo su -c 'sleep 1; aptitude autoclean' does not cause it
15:24<dylanwh>sudo su -c 'aptitude autoclean' does trigger it, same as 'aptitude autoclean'
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15:24<dylanwh>I installed super, and 'super aptitude autoclean' does not trigger it.
15:25<dylanwh>I think it has something to do with environmental variables, however disabling the 'env_reset' flag does not fix it. :(
15:25<dylanwh>it isn't my shell either; it happens with my normal zsh, in bash, and in tcsh.
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15:27<dylanwh>I have a log of the x events, from xev:
15:27<phillipsjk>i get: Sorry, user james is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/aptitude autoclean' ... (I'll try as root)
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15:28<dylanwh>phillipsjk: super requires configuration.
15:29<dylanwh>anyway, the point is the bug exists in sudo, somehow.
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15:30<phillipsjk>I propted for a password the first time :/
15:30<phillipsjk>*It
15:30<dylanwh>yes
15:30<dylanwh>If there is any wait at all, the spurious newlines do not happen
15:31<phillipsjk>running ' sudo aptitude autoclean' as root didn't reproduce the problem either.
15:31<dylanwh>yes, as root it works fine.
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15:32<dylanwh>only when a regular user runs it does a problem happen
15:33<dylanwh>And even better, when I run ltrace on it, the bug diseappears.
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15:34<dylanwh>http://hardison.net/warez/xev-log.txt
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15:34<phillipsjk>Ok, I added a line in sudoers to let me run the command.
15:34<debacle>hi all, how can i give 2 ip to my eth0 on etch ?
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15:34<weasel>debacle: edit /etc/network/interfaces
15:35<weasel>debacle: add a line like "up ip addr add <ip>/<prefixlen> dev eth0" to your eth0 block
15:35<weasel>and another one with down ip addr del <ip>/<prefixlen> dev eth0
15:35<weasel>and install iproute
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15:36<phillipsjk>dylan: still no surious newlines. Though you said it has something to do with speed? this is a slow machine I am using.
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15:37<debacle>weasel: is there a way to do this with ifconfig ?
15:37<phillipsjk>debacle: did you say something about wantng to connect to two differnt ISP's?
15:37<dylanwh>phillipsjk: which terminal emulator?
15:37<Mr_Giraffe>how do i create and switch between displays in X
15:37<Mr_Giraffe>?
15:37<weasel>debacle: probably. I'm not going to look it up for you tho
15:37<phillipsjk>dylanwh: xterm
15:38<dylanwh>and what locale?
15:38<debacle>phillipsjk: yes ... it's me and am stiil investigating
15:39<debacle>weasel: ok thanks anyway :-)
15:39<phillipsjk>debacle: I think you may need two separte interfaces for that.
15:39<alaya>Mr_Giraffe: look up dual head setups and xorg
15:39<weasel>phillipsjk: um. why would he?
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15:39<dylanwh>phillipsjk: Sudo version 1.6.9p12?
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15:40<debacle>phillipsjk: i think i have an idea for my problem ... i have eth0 and eth0:1
15:40<weasel>they are not two interfaces.
15:40<weasel>(and alias interfaces are ugly as hell anyway)
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15:41<alaya>debacle: ip aliasing is a good way to do it
15:42<alaya>debacle: and a very common practice in organizations
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15:42<phillipsjk>dylanwh: LANG="en_CA.UTF-8" Sudo version 1.6.8p12
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15:42<debacle>phillipsjk: if i "ifconfig eth0:1" i do not see RX, TX and collisions
15:42<weasel>of course not
15:42<weasel>it's not a different interface.
15:43<alaya>debacle: we usually like to keep the "service" ip addresses separate from the actual machine ones, this way we can easily move the services between machines
15:43<debacle>phillipsjk: and RX,TX and collisions is showed in eth0
15:43<dylanwh>phillipsjk: I wonder what the variable is...
15:44<^A^kira>hey ppl, im trying to install my ati x200m card, dled the latest drivers from amd page, installed it, everything went fine but fglrxinfo shows Mesa and no ati, ideas?
15:44<Nico_nico>hi again. I have php-cli installed, but I don't know where it was installed. Is there a way to know where bnaries are installed after having installed it with apt-get install ?
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15:44<debacle>alaya: explain please.
15:44<alaya>!tell ^Ak^ira about fglrx
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15:44<phillipsjk>debacle: are you trying to do what alaya descibes, or something complitely different?
15:45<weasel>what alaya describes has nothing whatsoever to do with what debacle wants
15:45<weasel>it's just that alaya likes to babble, or at least that's how it appears to me
15:45<dylanwh>Nico_nico: dpkg --listfiles packagename | grep bin
15:45<alaya>^A^kira: don't use the amd drivers. and your nick is lame (^ is a pain to type)
15:45<Nico_nico>thanks dylanwh
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15:46<weasel>!nickometer ^A^kira
15:46<dpkg>'^A^kira' is 27.000% lame, weasel
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15:46<alaya><weasel> (and alias interfaces are ugly as hell anyway) weasel please explain
15:46<Nico_nico>!nickometer Nico_nico
15:46<dpkg>'Nico_nico' is 14.000% lame, nico_nico
15:46<akiraa>alaya: well spacial for u :) but i have to use ati drivers cuz i wanna compiz!
15:46<dylanwh>!nickometer dylanwh
15:47<dpkg>'dylanwh' is 0.000% lame, dylanwh
15:47<akiraa>!nickometer weasel
15:47<dpkg>'weasel' is 0.000% lame, akiraa
15:47<weasel>alaya: they are not real interfaces and all you really want is to add an ip to an existing interface, and ip addr add does that in a cleaner way, and did for years.
15:47<akiraa>heh
15:47<Nico_nico>pfff
15:47<alaya>weasel: ip addr? not following you...
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15:47<phillipsjk>debacle, the reason I think you need two separate interfaces is the ISP's expect a poin-to-point connection. You then need a router to decide wehre to send the packets.
15:48<weasel>alaya: alias interfaces break all kinds of expectations one might have, so it's probably smart to not use them at all
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15:48<weasel>alaya: *shrugs*
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15:48<alaya>weasel: i never heard anything about this with ip aliases. they are used commonly
15:48<^A^kira>well.... no ideas here?
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15:49<debacle>so... what's the best way to assign 2 ip the my eth0 card please ?
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15:49<alaya>i would use an ip alias, because i don't even comprehend what weasel's argument against them is
15:49<debacle>so... what's the best way to assign 2 ip to my eth0 card please ?
15:50<dancho>watthhhhh`ssss up people
15:50<weasel>debacle: I told you.
15:50<dancho>i`m sorry bad english
15:50<dancho>;]
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15:52<phillipsjk>alaya: things like dhcp wouldn't work properly on the "virtual" interface.
15:52<lupine_85>debacle: ip addr add <myip> dev <mydev>
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15:53<weasel>lupine_85: #/<myip>#<myip>/<prefixlen>#
15:54<lupine_85>eh, that too :)
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15:55<debacle>weasel: sorry ... here is my question. is eth0:1 (or eth0:2 and so on) a virtual interface ? and is there a difference in making a virtual interface (eth0:1) or assigning another ip to the same REAL ethernet card (eth0)??
15:55<weasel>it's an alias interface. it's not a real interface, and most places that take interfaces will break in interesting ways if you give them eth0:1
15:56<weasel>the end result should be more or less the same, tho I think adding an address to the real interface is cleaner.
15:56<alaya>hmm, in my experience an ip address whether it was an alias or not worked fine with different uses
15:57<alaya>i never saw a problem or difference with an ip aliased interface, although i'm not saying there couldn't potentially be
15:57<dancho>halooowwww
15:57<weasel>netfilter is the first that comes to my mind. you can't do --in-interface eth0:1 and expect it to do something sane.
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15:58<themill>dancho: do you have a debian-related question that we can help you with?
15:58<alaya>i see
15:59<debacle>weasel: probably you are right !! i'm having a strange behavior 'cause i used virtual interfaces instead of aliasing ips to the same eth card
15:59<weasel>I always am right.
16:00<dancho>i want
16:00<dancho>a program
16:00<debacle>alaya: anyway thank you to ... and all #debian channel !! :-)
16:00<dylanwh>dancho: want in a carnal way?
16:00<dancho>program than a
16:00<dancho>aaaaaaaaaaa
16:01<phillipsjk>debale: if you are connecting two ISP's to the same physical interface (via a switch or something), how are you preventing them from talking to each other?
16:01<themill>!tell dancho about enter
16:01<phillipsjk>err debacle.
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16:03<themill>dancho: please try to stay on topic and be coherent. If you don't have something useful to say, please don't say anything.
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16:03<debacle>phillipsjk: ohh... well the switch connects ISP_1_router, ISP_2_router and eth0 ? isn't it a good way ?
16:04<phillipsjk>I am pretty sure you need your own router (for a sane setup)
16:05<debacle>phillipsjk: i had assumed every packet arriving to eth0 has a source IP and a destination ip like every TCP/IP packet . isn't it ?
16:07<phillipsjk>fes, but the actaul card recieves Ethernet frames addressed to tot the specific card, or in the case of DHCP braodcasted to ever host/router hooked up to the switch.
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16:09*phillipsjk needs to type slower
16:09<debacle>phillipsjk: i mean: if you (IP: 44.33.22.11) connect to me (IP: 82.106.xx.xxx) the linux kernel should know that a packet is for 82.88.xx.xx and will reply with a packet from 88.88.xx.xx with destination 44.33.22.11
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16:10<phillipsjk>http://www.ussg.iu.edu/usail/network/nfs/network_layers.html
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16:16<debacle>phillipsjk: iso/osi i know. but in my knowledge i can't see any problem here. on eth0 there is no class c addresses. on eth0 there are only Class A addresses (82.106.xx.xx and 77.43.xx.xx)
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16:21<debacle>phillipsjk: you asked me how do i'm preventing them from talking to each other? do you mean how do i'm preventing them to talking to my lan?
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16:22<phillipsjk>My point is the ISPs probably don't expect to be directly connected to each other's networks.
16:23<phillipsjk>You likely have to configure some kind of routing protcol that I can't help you with.
16:23<phillipsjk>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routing_protocols
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16:24<phillipsjk>You ISP's may be of some help though.
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16:24<debacle>phillipsjk: mmm... you 're right ! but how can a packet coming from 88.88.xx.xx go to a 77.43.xx.xx ?
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16:26<debacle>also if you consder a broadcast packet it will always remain a broadcast paket for 77.43.xx.255 network
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16:27<phillipsjk>debacle: I don't understand the question.
16:29<weasel>probably the only thing he needs is to setup source based routing
16:29<weasel>but before that he should understand why it's needed
16:31<debacle>phillipsjk: you say: that is not a good pratice to put to isp IP addresses on the same network. you told me that a packet coming from ISP 1 could arrive to ISP2 network if the same NIC is shared. I think this is not possible. isn't it ?
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16:34<lupine_85>debacle: most ISPs implement source IP filtering anyway. Or should.
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16:36<debacle>weasel: can you give me a little pice of advice please ?
16:37<weasel>no.
16:37<debacle>ok
16:37<weasel>all I can tell you is that what you want is not trivial.
16:37<weasel>also, read the LARTC howto.
16:37<debacle>consider previous question never asked !
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16:40<debacle>LARTC howto ... mmm ... google says www.lartc.org ... let's go read it !
16:40<weasel>!lartc
16:40<dpkg>i heard lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/
16:41<debacle>thank you all anyway ! i hope i'll find answers to my questions there !
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16:41<debacle>thanks again !!
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16:42<phillipsjk>I had no concept of source-based routing: "Now, you can create a rule that dictates what routing table to look at."
16:42<phillipsjk>enough to make my head hurt.
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17:31<Snuffpig>!see god
17:31<Snuffpig>!seen god
17:31<dpkg>god <~jeremy@cpe-76-190-244-143.neo.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 135d 8h 50m 3s ago, saying: 'the kernel trap is for users '.
17:31<Snuffpig>!seen jesus
17:31<dpkg>jesus <~jesus@ip72-201-99-191.ph.ph.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 14h 56m 43s ago, saying: 'is anyone here ?'.
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17:32<Snuffpig>!seen holyghost
17:32<dpkg>i haven't seen 'holyghost', Snuffpig
17:32<themill>!question Snuffpig
17:32<Snuffpig>!question themill
17:32<themill>Snuffpig: Do you have a debian-related question?
17:32<Snuffpig>just meta-physical ones right now, thank you for asking though
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17:32<themill>Snuffpig: please be quiet then.
17:33<Snuffpig>themill: do you have any Debian questions?
17:33<Snuffpig>themill: I'm pretty sure I don't need to ask that many
17:33<Snuffpig>!seen mohammed
17:33<dpkg>mohammed <n=mohammed@196.218.65.63> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 429d 22h 10m 12s ago, saying: 'but i can't stop dreaming of it'.
17:34<themill>Snuffpig: please stop
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17:34<Snuffpig>themill: just ignore me dude
17:34<Snuffpig>themill: this is IRC and you are NOT an operator
17:34<Snuffpig>themill: go back to your TV
17:34<themill>!ops Snuffpig is trolling
17:34<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: Snuffpig is trolling
17:35<Mr_Giraffe>oh god
17:35<Snuffpig>I don't see any ops getting involved
17:35<Mr_Giraffe>Snuffpig, just be quiet
17:35<Myon>Snuffpig: stop it
17:35<Snuffpig>yawn
17:35-!-mode/#debian [+o Myon] by ChanServ
17:35<Mr_Giraffe>it's a debian channel, not a channel for your silly games
17:35<Mr_Giraffe>or rather, stupid triggers
17:35-!-mode/#debian [+o zobel] by ChanServ
17:35-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
17:35<Snuffpig>there isn't any chatting in here, how could i be said to be disruptive?
17:35<@weasel>me too!
17:36-!-mode/#debian [+q Snuffpig!*@*] by Myon
17:36*peterS resists the temptation
17:36<@Ganneff>ts. kids.
17:36<@weasel>Snuffpig: if you don't have anything to say that's on topic then don't say anything.
17:36<@weasel>Snuffpig: this isn't a social channel.
17:36*themill watches all the ops join in. Thanks, guys.
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17:36<Mr_Giraffe>er
17:36<Mr_Giraffe>+q?
17:36<themill>Mr_Giraffe: quiet ban.
17:37<Mr_Giraffe>meaning?
17:37<Mr_Giraffe>just out of curiosity
17:37<themill>not kicked out, just prevented from talking. Hopefully, in a way that the user can learn to be more signal and less noise, as azeem phrases it.
17:37<Mr_Giraffe>excellent
17:37<Mr_Giraffe>also, more like xkcd
17:38<Mr_Giraffe>anyway, any of you guys use xtightvncviewer and fluxbox? cause it's doing some pretty funky things
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17:43<Snuffpig>when is xorg 7.3 arriving in testing?
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17:43<themill>!why is xorg not in testing
17:43<dpkg>xorg is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xorg
17:43<Snuffpig>cool ty
17:43<themill>no worries
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17:44<BattousaiDeDo>good evening
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17:45<BattousaiDeDo>!voice
17:45*dpkg stands back: arrrr barf! barf!
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17:46<BattousaiDeDo>!help
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17:47<themill>BattousaiDeDo: how can we help you?
17:47<@Ganneff>BattousaiDeDo: please use /msg dpkg to play with the bot
17:47<BattousaiDeDo>hi is there someone u can help me getting a crative audigy 2 zs installed?
17:48<phillipsjk>That "Why is package X not in testing yet?" script is cool :)
17:48<lupine_85>test
17:48<Mr_Giraffe>bah
17:49<Mr_Giraffe>i hope this isn't a bug unique to my system D:
17:49<themill>BattousaiDeDo: please don't /msg me. Ask the entire channel.
17:50<BattousaiDeDo>yeah i need someone who can help me on installing an audigy 2 zs on a debian etch 2.6.18 kernel with kde
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17:52<BattousaiDeDo>i cant find a working method at google
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17:54<BattousaiDeDo>hmz it seems nobody awnsers me ...
17:54<phillipsjk>I like to start with "is it plugged in?" (lspci should tell you that)
17:56<BattousaiDeDo>yeah it is
17:56<Mr_Giraffe>BattousaiDeDo, where are you from?
17:56<BattousaiDeDo>germany
17:56<Mr_Giraffe>alright
17:56<Mr_Giraffe>well regardless, don't expect an answer within < 2 minutes every time, it's irritating :/
17:57<chealer>BattousaiDeDo: not unless you explain how you can be helped.
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17:57<Mr_Giraffe>oh wait, maybe chealer will know wtf is up with vnc
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17:57<Mr_Giraffe>chealer, do you use vnc on your box?
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17:59<BattousaiDeDo>kk im sorry i'll be patient
17:59<BattousaiDeDo>chealer: hmz i dont know how exactly getting the soundcard to work
17:59<chealer>Mr_Giraffe: occasionally
18:00<Mr_Giraffe>what client do you use?
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18:01<yisell>hi
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18:04<chealer>Mr_Giraffe: krdc
18:05<Mr_Giraffe>bah, i don't use kde
18:05<themill>chealer: does krdc do vnc too? (only ever used it for rdp) nice...
18:06<chealer>themill: that's its primary use
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18:07<themill>chealer: indeed... I first found it as an rdp client I guess.
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18:18<phillipsjk>!tell BattousaiDeDo about alsa checklist
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18:21<gosam[TOP]>If I put a repository on a CD, and add this CD during install when prompted, can I install packages from it with late command (preseeding)?
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18:28<endorphin>привет есть проблема
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18:28<themill>!ru
18:28<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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18:36<panagos>is there a way to configure x so that apps can switch from 32bit to 16bit colour depth and back?
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18:39<panagos>or, is there a way to switch color depths dynamically, as i can switch resolutions? (e.g. with kde's kdesktop)
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18:49<phillipsjk>pangos: I have come to the conclusion that windows is superior for that. (I once tried setting up a choice between high-res 8bpp and low-res 24(32) bpp)
18:51<phillipsjk>You can chang the "zoom" with [ctrl]-[alt]-[+/-], but the color depth seems fixed.
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19:09<kurumin>?
19:09<kurumin>ø
19:10<Supaplex>(:
19:10*Supaplex has some corn chips and cheese dip *yumm*
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19:11<kurumin>ø)
19:11<themill>!question kurumin
19:11<dpkg>kurumin: Do you have a Debian-related question that we can help you with? If you do, please ask it and someone will try to help; if you do not, then please be quiet.
19:12<panagos>anyone please know which commands are used to control an X server at run time? e.g. change resolution etc
19:12<phillipsjk>panagos, I think I found a partial answer: "The DefaultDepth keyword ... can be overridden with the -depth command line switch to Xorg(1). " http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html
19:12<Supaplex>phillipsjk: xvidtune
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19:13<grummund_>is there a better way to check for a running process than: ps | grep 'foo' | grep -v grep
19:13<themill>pgrep
19:13<Supaplex>ps -C foo
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19:13<phillipsjk>the problem is, that you are loogged out if you restart X while using a session manager like kdm.
19:13<dylanwh>[s | grep '[f]oo'
19:13<kurumin>please, speak in portuguese
19:13<themill>!pt
19:13<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
19:13<dylanwh>err
19:13<kurumin>::D
19:14<dylanwh>ls | grep '[f]oo'
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19:15<Supaplex>that's a nomination for useless use of grep award. we already have pidof, and ps -C
19:16<themill>zobel: btw you're still +o ;)
19:16<dylanwh>Supaplex: who says it is for the process name?
19:17<Supaplex>until grummund_ says more, we don't know one way or the other
19:17<dylanwh>and it works better for certain gui things that have horrible executable names
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19:17<grummund_>yes i meant a process name
19:18<Supaplex>yours is also slightly more interoperable among differing flavors of unix
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19:18<dylanwh>there is that... I go between debian, openbsd, os-X-hell and back on a daily basis. XD
19:19<themill>beware killall
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19:19<dylanwh>oh yes
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19:19<Supaplex>killall -u $(id -u) is fun!
19:19<dylanwh>killall is fun on certain unices
19:19<kurumin>that's hellsing ?! ^^*
19:19<themill>hmmm... fun....
19:19<kurumin>anime
19:20<Supaplex>i mean id -un
19:20<themill>"kill -9 -1" on some unices is fun too....
19:20<kurumin>kill all
19:20<dylanwh>pidof isn't installed here, interestingly enough
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19:20<themill>dylanwh: in debian, it's in sysvinit-utils
19:21<kurumin>flw
19:21<dylanwh>which isn't installed, I suppose.
19:21<Mr_Giraffe>hey, i installed the git package, but for some reason it's not working, and there's no man page for git itself
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19:21<grummund_>umm, let's say to see if the command 'foo bar' is running, ps -C doesn't quite do it....
19:21<themill>dylanwh: it should be.
19:21<dylanwh>themill: I do not let d-i install anything but a base system
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19:22<themill>dylanwh: it's a "required" package which should be installed, aiui
19:22<themill>Mr_Giraffe: you probably wanted git-core
19:22<dylanwh>hrm.
19:23<dylanwh>oh, it's killall5.
19:23<phillipsjk>Supaplex: I don't think xvidtune allows the changing of color depth.
19:26*dylanwh is happy, 4 months after working at his company, they're switching away from fedora to debian. :)
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19:27<themill>!win dylanwh
19:27<dpkg>Congratulations, dylanwh! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
19:27<dylanwh>simply because nobody knows how to make custom rpms, and I know how to make custom .debs
19:27<dylanwh>well, nobody but my overworked boss.
19:27<themill>nice ;)
19:28<dylanwh>and besides, everyone in the office uses debian or debian-derived things, it's only the point-of-sale machines that run fedora.
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19:43<kurumin>Leandro e Leonardo
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20:35<tin>how unstable is lenny?
20:35<tin>unless i'm running a mission critical piece of equipment, it'll be more stable than windows xp?
20:36<lupine_85>much more stablwe
20:36<tin>ok
20:36<tin>and it won't mess with my gnome settings?
20:36<lupine_85>debian testing (unstable) is about on a par with other people's 'stable', I would say. debian stable is even better :)
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20:37<tin>yeah
20:37<lupine_85>eh, it'll upgrade gnome. Whether that will mess with it or not is another question altogether - I use KDE
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20:37<tin>the thing about debian stable is that if something goes wrong, i can safely assume that its my fault
20:37<lupine_85>I'd suggest making an LVM snapshot of your etch before you upgrade, just in case you don't like it
20:37<themill>tin: lenny is a moving target... on a daily basis something changes: something gets fixed and something else gets broken.
20:38<lupine_85>note that bugs in lenny tend to last quite a while, since they have to go through unstable to get in
20:38<tin>ah
20:38*lupine_85 remembers nvidia drivers being seriously broken for a significant period of time, in particular
20:38<tin>haha
20:38<lupine_85>with the .22? kernel
20:38<tin>i'm running .22 in etch
20:38<tin>but that's just because i like being able to run packet injection
20:38<lupine_85>just pointing out that it was quite recent
20:39<tin>yeah
20:39<lupine_85>took a month? longer? to fix
20:39<tin>ouch
20:39<lupine_85>so if you couldn't do your own kernel, you were pretty much screwed
20:39<themill>non-free nvidia drivers are still broken in etch
20:39<themill>have been for months
20:39<tin>call me biased, but i'm of the opinion that nvidia is always broken
20:39<lupine_85>doesn't etch still have working 2.6.18 ?
20:39<tin>all broke all the time
20:39<lupine_85>heh, well, yes
20:40<themill>tin: too true....
20:40<lupine_85>but broken on a functional, as well as ideological, basis
20:40<themill>tin: but it's brokenness is also not installable.
20:40<tin>heh
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20:40<tin>its a sign from the allmighty bob
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20:41<chealer>themill: don't you mean lenny?
20:41<themill>chealer: gah... yes... sleepy....
20:42<chealer>tin: see http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny
20:42<chealer>tin: it's not more stable than Windows XP.
20:43<tin>ah
20:43<tin>i'll hold off on it then
20:43<lupine_85>ORLY?
20:43<tin>because i keep my XP running pretty tight
20:43<lupine_85>I can't remember my last BSOD :p
20:43<tin>the only time i get a bsod is when i have failing hardware
20:43<lupine_85>XP is marginally less likely to dump you to a terminal, 'tis true
20:44<lupine_85>still, 'stability' is a highly subjective metric
20:44<tin>well
20:44<tin>ok, here's my metric of stability which i've come to after years of running xp:
20:44<themill>stability is related to the amount of time that the box takes to piss me off and want to throw it out the window
20:45<tin>will it crash to desktop if i go through my daily life?
20:45<tin>or further?
20:45<chealer>hehe
20:45<lupine_85>crash to desktop?
20:45<tin>for instance, firefox3 crashes to desktop
20:45<tin>daily
20:45<lupine_85>you mean, how many segfaults?
20:45<dondelelcaro>tin: it's unlikely that it will crash, though some programs may segfault or fail.
20:45<tin>so, firefox 3 beta 5 = not stable
20:45<tin>ah
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20:45<tin>i run firefox at work
20:45<dondelelcaro>(and testing is constantly changing, so what works today may not work tomorrow)
20:46<dondelelcaro>(and vice-versa, of course)
20:46<lupine_85>my metric for stable is, can I do what I want to do without interruptions?
20:46<tin>when is lenny due to be stable?
20:46<lupine_85>when it's ready! :D
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20:46<tin>of course
20:46<lupine_85>!release
20:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ for the latest (and historical) releases.
20:46<lupine_85>bah
20:46<themill>!lenny
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20:46<dpkg>i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>).
20:47<chealer>lupine_85: the problem of nvidia drivers not being in testing, assuming that's what you referred to, is still not fixed.
20:47<lupine_85>september? cor
20:47<lupine_85>mm, I've not been keeping up with it. I thought it was just related to paravirt-ops, therefore fixed automagically with the new kernel version?
20:47<tin>ah
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20:48<lupine_85>I jumped to my own 2.6.24 build from a sid backport a bit ago, so I'm out of touch
20:48<themill>lupine_85: Sept is the published timeline... not what is likely to actually happen....
20:48<tin>does debian mantain a 2.6.24 for etch?
20:48<lupine_85>wouldn't think so
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20:49<lupine_85>I'm running teh lenny :)
20:49<chealer>lupine_85: oh, yes, that was fixed in 2.6.22, but it lasted longer in unstable.
20:49<lupine_85>themill: shall we call it mid-2009?
20:49<tin>i also take it that every day when i run apt-get upgrade, a whole new slew of bugs and fixes will come in?
20:49<lupine_85>oh, yeah. upgrade is fun again, with testing
20:49<tin>sweet
20:50<lupine_85>unless you have b/w limits
20:50<lupine_85>i'm due one, actually... been away for a while
20:50<tin>i do run comcrap
20:50*lupine_85 sees how big it is
20:50<themill>lupine_85: now now....
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20:50<lupine_85>762 packages, 628MB archives
20:50<themill>mrs themill's laptop is due for a 500MB lenny update from the last 2 weeks... ffs...
20:51<lupine_85>146 not upgrades
20:51<lupine_85>awesome
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20:51<tin>haha
20:51<tin>nice
20:51<lupine_85>whoops. some from security there too
20:51<lupine_85>I'm haxx0rable
20:51<themill>tin: as we said... moving target
20:52<lupine_85>with lvm snapshots, you can give it a try and see how much it hurts you with (almost) no risk
20:52<lupine_85>you, um, are using LVM, right? :)
20:52<lupine_85>*ooh*. libc6 upgrade
20:52<tin>i should
20:52<lupine_85>they're always fun
20:54<lupine_85>haha. I forgot I had the freepascal compiler in here
20:54<lupine_85> 835kB/s 9min29s
20:54<chealer>tin: no, but it will maitain one with "Etch and a half"
20:55<tin>etch and a half?
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20:55<themill>tin: upcoming etch update with a 2.6.24 kernel
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20:55<chealer>tin: see http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf
20:55<themill>tin: plus a few other assorted goodies. It's being loaded up into etch-proposed-updates atm
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20:56<chealer>tin: not if you run it everyday...but of course, the least frequently you upgrade, the more bugs you trade at once
20:57<tin>yeah, i'm running 2.6.22 for my wireless card and ntfs-3g module
20:57<themill>tin: what wireless
20:57<tin>ipw2200 with packet injection :-D
20:58<tin>i use it to disconnect my wife when she plays broadway musical songs via youtube
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20:58<themill>nasty!
20:59<tin>i know, you'd compile a semi-custom kernel and compile patched wifi drivers if you had to listen to broadway on that lossy codec
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21:00<themill>dpkg: etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf
21:00<dpkg>okay, themill
21:01<tin>simple deauth replay keeps her from reconnecting
21:01<themill>tin: you need to spend less time writing raw packets and more time talking to a marriage counsellor!
21:01<tin>haha
21:02<tin>she gets the point
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21:05<tin>usually i just reach over and hit the power button on her laptop
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21:06<Supaplex>*yawn*
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21:08<abrotman>Supaplex: don't let us keep you up :)
21:09<Supaplex>I just got up from a 2h nap. :)
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21:12<tin>lucky :(
21:13<tin>work is work :(
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21:21<bastian>Hallo. Kann mir jemand von Euch einen DNLA-fähigen Media Server empfehlen. Ich möchte meine unter Debian gespeicherten Bilder, Musik, Filme, etc. auf meiner PS3 abspielen. Cool wäre ein Media-Server der die Formate auch gleich real-time umrechenen kann. Was würdet Ihr empfehlen?
21:21<tin>english?
21:22<tin>!de
21:22<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
21:22<abrotman>he can be taught!
21:22<bastian>Oh, sorry. I'm in the wrong channel :-o
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21:23<tin>but no, i don't think that we have a ps3 build of debian for you
21:23<phillipsjk>from #debianppc topic: | arthur and ag- are working on official PS3/Cell support...
21:25<tin>does anyone want to make a ps3 enabled media server?
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21:26<tin>i know that you can mod an XBOX to do so, but that's because the 360 runs cpu's that people like programming on
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21:27<bastian>Thank you for answer my german question. But I don't looking for a debian "ps3-cell-release". I'm searching for a DNLA media server to stream videos, musik and so on over network to my ps3.
21:28<tin>ahhh
21:28<bastian>My Debian Hardware is an Intel EM64T Processor.
21:29<bastian>Please pardon my very poor english :-o
21:29<tin>my german is worse
21:30<bastian>;-)
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21:31<tin>have you tried ushare? it seems to have an update that made it work with the ps3 a while ago
21:31<abrotman>bastian: you might want to check freshmeat.net
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21:32<gosam[TOP]>is there a way to use a CD as a mirror during etch installation?
21:32<tin>i think if you download all 26 cd's, you can
21:32<tin>cause the first is the base install, and all 26 are every etch release package
21:32<gosam[TOP]>what do you mean?
21:33<abrotman>gosam[TOP]: yes ..
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21:33<gosam[TOP]>I just need some additional packages
21:33<tin>of the etch download cd's
21:33<abrotman>gosam[TOP]: you're still in the installer?
21:33<bastian>Ok. I take a look on this site. Thank you for help.
21:33<tin>you can irc from the installer?
21:33<gosam[TOP]>no
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21:33<gosam[TOP]>I'm using it in a virtual machine
21:33<abrotman>no to which question ?
21:34<tin>but yeah, i believe that if you start the install with the first cd, you can selectively download additional ones depending on what it asks you for
21:34<eduarda>alguém por favor me explique com instalar um programa no linux abaixado de um site no caso superdownloads
21:34<eduarda>?
21:34<tin>english?
21:34<eduarda>no =/
21:36<javo>he asks for help about installing a program downloaded from a website in case of superdownloads ¿?
21:36<abrotman>!pt
21:36<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
21:37<tin>some day, i will camp in the language sites that we point people to just to watch as people drop into an empty chat
21:37<eduarda>Not speak English :~ Thank's Bye
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21:38<tin>the google translation isn't much helpful
21:38<tin>
21:38<tin>Someone please explain to me install a program on linux depressed for a site where superdownloads
21:38<gosam[TOP]>the IRC one
21:38<gosam[TOP]>I'm making a custom install CD, but I can't fit all the needed packages on one CD.
21:38<gosam[TOP]>So I thought of making a repository on another CD and use it during the install.
21:38<gosam[TOP]>Problem is I don't get the option to do it. During the apt configuration, the only protocols I get are http and ftp.
21:38<gosam[TOP]>sorry, I got disconnected
21:39<mosty>gosam: file://
21:39<gosam[TOP]>mosty, how?
21:39<tin>change your sources.list?
21:40<bastian>Search for DLNA on freshmeat.net results in 4 media center projects. I thank you all for help :). I will test the four projects to find out the best for my requirements.
21:40<gosam[TOP]>I want to install those packages during the installer
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21:42<tin>wiggy
21:43<tin>ever feel like you're replacing the flooring by pulling out the floor joists from below your feet, yet you're still walking around as if nothing is wrong?
21:43<tin>i'm watching my terminal window fly by after an apt-get dist-upgrade
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21:51<manuel>hi! if my processor is an AMD semprom 3000 and hwinfo returns: clflush size : 64
21:51<manuel>my prcessor supports amd64 platform?
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21:54<alaya>manuel: i would look it up on wikipedia
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21:55<phillipsjk>tin: got to love copy-on-write executables ;)
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22:41<dsl>hello
22:41<dsl>what
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22:42<dsl>hhhj;
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22:54<elagar>hi.. how can i extract or transform a .cue file in a mp3?
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22:55<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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22:55<kurumin>hi
22:56<kurumin>wats is this
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22:58<dsl>turkey lagune
22:59<dsl>turkey lagune
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23:12<dsl>hello
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23:14<Aleric>dsl: don't pm me and certainly don't dcc chat me
23:14<dsl>///
23:14<dsl>?
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