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00:22<juanchi>atperez: sorry.. Im new to irc.. just playing.. I meant '/whois atperez'
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00:22<atperez>hehehe, no problem
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00:26<cesar>hi world
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01:17<JustSoul>I have problem with usb:
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01:20<JustSoul>jm_: morning =)
01:20<JustSoul>I have problem with usb:
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01:24<jm_>JustSoul: hmm no idea what error -5 is
01:25<JustSoul>jm_: in line " Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. (Wrong ID) USB Controller" --- Wrong ID - it's normal?
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01:26<jm_>JustSoul: that should be fine
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01:28<jm_>JustSoul: 5 is IO error
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01:30<Slydder>morning all. have a strange problem here with scp. ssh works fine on one of our servers but scp just don't want to work. once i press enter it to start a scp transfer the client just hangs. any ideas?
01:30<JustSoul>jm_: on any usb-stick?
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01:32<jm_>JustSoul: it's very generic error, also applies to IDE/SCSI/...
01:32<jm_>JustSoul: one option might be to try and use ub driver
01:33<JustSoul>jm_: what option and where?
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01:33<Supaplex>Slydder: scp -vvv it, and/or strace too
01:34<jm_>JustSoul: ub is a kernel module
01:35<Slydder>i get a lot of ignored env then it sends command: scp -v -t ~
01:35<JustSoul>jm_: modinfo: could not find module ub
01:36<Slydder>then channel 0: request exec confirm 0 / channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768 / channel 0: rcvd adjust 131072 and then it hangs
01:37<jm_>JustSoul: grep DEV_UB /boot/config*
01:38<JustSoul>/boot/config-2.6.22-3-686:# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB is not set
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01:38<JustSoul>jm_: ^^^
01:38<jm_>JustSoul: bummer
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01:45<Slydder>found the problem. this line in .bashrc was killing the scp connection: echo -ne "\e]2;$*\a"
01:47<Supaplex>!lart .bashrc
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03:42<df1amb>Hi, I am trying to install a new printer on my lenny system but that fails and cups-driverd is crashing. The message in error_log is [cups-driverd] Unable to open PPD directory. Any idea what went wrong google is useless in this case.
03:43<jm_>strace will tell you which dir that is
03:45<df1amb>the log tells me driverd is is looking in /opt/share/ppd but /opt is empty.
03:46<jm_>where did you get this thing?
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03:46<df1amb>what thing ?
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03:47<df1amb>the full name is cups-driverd and I dont know where I got it from.
03:48<jm_>ahh it's part of cups
03:48<jm_>but I wonder why it would look there
03:49<df1amb>That is also my problem. Goggle found some bug reports from older cups versions with thas problem.
03:50<jm_>I have plenty of it in /usr/share/ppd
03:51<jm_>how are you trying to configure it?
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03:52<jm_>so www, pretty standard
03:52<df1amb>I've looked in /usr/shre/ppd and found a dead symlink. I will try to configure again
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03:55<df1amb>That was not the point. It does not work at all.
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04:10<jm_>maybe try to find ou twhere it crashes and check BTS
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04:14<df1amb>Hmm it crashes somewhere between choosing the printer and choosing the driver.
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05:06<jerks>hello there. i'm newbie in linux. just recently i bought a debian book from a booksale store with it a base install cd. i tried to install it on my laptop using usb external cd-rom because it has no built in floppy and cd drive. but in my agony the installation halts and stops responding as it try to probe the missing floppy drive. i try to disable floppy on cmos but there is no option to remove it on boot option. thanks, i hope you'll help me solve my problem.
05:08<padski>jerks, look for something like a "nofloppy" option at the boot prompt
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05:11<SlayerXP>jerks: chances are that CD is out of date, i would download the current d-i netinst image and try that instead.
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05:12<padski>jerks, or perhaps floppy.blacklist=yes
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05:13<dli>sometimes, new kernel on old machine could be a trouble
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05:21<jerks>how can i do that. during cd boot only 3 options available: 1.linux 2.floppy 3. rescue.
05:22<df1amb>jerks: there is something like a commandline and there you type it
05:23<df1amb>also have a look in the online help from the bootloader. F1-F10
05:24<jerks>where should i input "no floppy option" or floppy.blacklist=yes
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05:26<jerks>what is the exact command should i have to use.
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05:28<jerks>i tried to read the book scan for possible cause but it seems so deep.
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05:31<jerks>i'm using old laptop intel 500Mhz, 128MB memory and built in video. it has no floppy and cd-rom drive.
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05:33<jerks>as per books reference, my laptop specification is ok and above the hardware requirements.
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05:44<jm_>jerks: what would you want to do with it?
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05:45<padski>jerks, did you try floppy.blacklist=yes
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05:50<jerks>in my options it says enter to install, f1 for help, f3 for instructions. when i press enter it just go on install then stops responding. when i press f3 it gives me 3 options: 1.linux 2. floppy 3
05:51<jm_>what does that have to do with floppy?
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05:52<jerks>3. rescue. i enter linux then option floppy.blacklist=yes, still it stops upon probing of floppy.
05:52<padski>jerks, what version of Debian is this ?
05:52<jm_>try floppy=debug
05:52<jm_>or floppy=debug,nodma
05:53<jerks>jm, i want to learn debian, so i choose it.
05:54<jm_>jerks: no I meant what you want to do with the floppy driver (I have missed the start)
05:54<jerks>i says linux ver. 2.2
05:54<jm_>that's ancient
05:55<dpkg>it has been said that potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at
05:55<jerks>awesome. can i run it?
05:55<padski>jerks, how old is the laptop ?
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05:56<jm_>wow, floppy driver is almost 4600 lines of code
05:57<jm_>maybe also floppy=floppy_setup=0
05:57<jm_>uhm not
05:57<jerks>i think it is 1999 model because of cmos time default.
05:57<jm_>maybe also floppy=allowed_drive_mask=0
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05:58<padski>jerks, you have a reasonable chance that potato would run but you would still be better off with something up-to-date for most purposes.
05:59<themill>potato hasn't had security updates for.. umm... quite some time ;)
06:00<jerks>ok, i'll try everything you have suggested. thanks for the support.
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06:00<padski>jerks, if you don't have the ability to burn an iso but can get potato installed you upgrade in steps: potato->woody->sarge->etch
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06:07<themill>Doesn't etch require a 2.6 kernel? (and isn't that part of the problem?)
06:07<jerks>i'll try it. ill be back tommorrow.
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06:08<padski>themill, huh ?
06:09<themill>huh to which part?
06:11<padski>2nd part
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06:13<themill>padski: I joined in the middle of this one so I wasn't sure... it's just that normally when people are asking about ancient kernels and installation troubles it's because their machine doesn't boot with a 2.6 kernel. In which case upgrading to etch is still going to be a problem.
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06:14<padski>themill, ah! this is a disk from a book
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06:14<themill>I see. Ignore me :)
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06:14<padski>themill, :-)
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06:20<hypnotic>hi there, i would like to uninstall nvidia drivers compiled with module-assistant and m-a, uninstalling debs doesnt clean up everything
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06:21<jm_>which parts?
06:22<padski>what doesn't it clean up in this case ?
06:25<hypnotic>i am trying to figure that out myself too, i removed all debs, and installed nvidia-drivers the nvidia way by running the nvidia script from their website, after installing thses drivers, i can log in x but after a reboot something is changed automatically (dont know where to look what is changed) and cannot get into x anymore (only ctrl alt delete works, CLI doesnt))
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06:25<jm_>talk to nvidia if you use it their way
06:26<hypnotic>its not a nvidia issue, its a debian issue
06:26<jm_>no it's not, you used nvidia's installer
06:26<hypnotic>this method doesnt work anymore only after installing nvidia drivers the debian way
06:27<hypnotic>so i want to get my system back to before it was (before installing nvidia the debian way)
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06:28<hypnotic>i am now on my 32 bit mirror system, and cannot find any issues with the nvidia installer (this system has never had nvidia drivers the debian way)
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06:28<hypnotic>and the nvidia way only got problems after using the debian way
06:29<hypnotic>so i concluded that i didnt remove the nvidia drivers a la debian correctly
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06:30<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
06:30<hypnotic>thats only for xorg.conf right?
06:31<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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06:31<hypnotic>i have 2 xorg.conf which i tested and work perfectly on mu old 64bit setup and my normal 32 bit setup
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06:32<jm_>there's X logfile which can might something
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06:32<themill>hypnotic: you have continually failed to follow instructions on how to do things the debian way. You normally spend more time here complaining than you do listening. Additionally, having installed the drivers once using the nvidia installer, you made a mess of the package management on your system. Now, you want to blame debian and want us to clean up your mess. Or maybe I'm missing something here...
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06:41<hypnotic>no thats incorrect, I asked what I was doing and why, but the guys I was chatting with didnt want to explain what and why i was doing things, they just gave me some cmds, and as I expected, it is a mess now yes, not all people here are developers or are experts in debian, I dont blame debian, but to take in account that not all people know how the entire system works would be nice
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06:42<hypnotic>I dont ask what a kernel module does just to test people if they know things, but because i dont now what it exactly does
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06:43<lupine>the Debian Way(tm) involves sticking a bunch of symlinks in the tree, and reupdating them during boot
06:44<hypnotic>ok, and what sticks in the system when uninstalling the generated nvidia debs?
06:44<lupine>nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel in /etc/init.d (symlinked to in /etc/rc2.d and friends)
06:44<hypnotic>xorg.log doesnt give an error
06:44<lupine>what you choose to do about it is entirely up to you :)
06:45<hypnotic>i only want entirely remove the nvidia drivers the debian way
06:45<lupine>also, did you apt-get remove --purge ?
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06:45<lupine>then config files are left in, as per Debian policy
06:45<hypnotic>is there a way to do that at this moment?
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06:46<lupine>dpkg --purge <package-name>
06:46<hypnotic>ok, ill reboot to 64bit and try that
06:46<lupine>don't thank me unless it works :p
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06:51<Knight_Lord>Can anyone try to explain me why sometimes my system block when I try to stat a non existing file on an NFS partition?
06:51<Knight_Lord>This only happens after a while, but then it happens for every file
06:51<Knight_Lord>Is also seems to only happen with certain hosts
06:51<Knight_Lord>Is there any way of knowing where stat64() is stalling and why?
06:51<Knight_Lord>I should point auto this is an autofs mounted partition
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06:55<Knight_Lord>Not just autofs but autofs using wildcard
06:56<jm_>Knight_Lord: you can try and strace your process
06:57<Knight_Lord>jm_ I did, my strace stop at stat64 of the relevant file
06:58<jm_>Knight_Lord: well then it's in the kernel, you would be best trying newest kernel/ntfs-3g driver/asking on LKML
06:58<Knight_Lord>I hangs there for quite a while and I think in the end i will get a stat64("/net/appl/clin/bin", 0xbfffde50) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
06:59<Knight_Lord>jm_ it happens on both 2.6.18-5-amd64 and 2.6.24-1-686
06:59<Knight_Lord>jm_ It's related to how long mount waits until it fails, but i don't quite know how that is regulated
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06:59<Knight_Lord>jm_ it should time out faster than it does
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07:01<jm_>Knight_Lord: wait, are we talking about mount or access of a dir/file?
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07:02<Knight_Lord>I'm accessing a file, the problem is that the file is on an nfs partition managed by autofs using wildcards
07:02<Knight_Lord>Which means that if the file does not exist autofs tries to automaticcaly mount an export of the same name
07:02<jm_>ahh wait, NFS, I read it as NTFS :P
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07:03<hypnotic>it worked :D
07:03<Knight_Lord>So I think i'm having this problem
07:03<Knight_Lord>Which according to them is not really a bug, but makes autofs with wildcards pretty unusable
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07:03<hypnotic>lupine: still here?
07:04<jm_>autofs has --timeout parameter, have you tried that?
07:04<Knight_Lord>jm_ ah that's great! Let me give it a try
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07:04<lupine>hypnotic: yep :)
07:04<lupine>good to hear
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07:05<hypnotic>lupine: its up and running again :D
07:05<hypnotic>lupine: thanx
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07:07<Knight_Lord>jm_ do you have any idea how can i specify options to automount when it's called from autofs?
07:08<jm_>Knight_Lord: yes
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07:08<Knight_Lord>jm_ I was reading the autofs man page but it's not clear how to pass option to automount. It seems all options basically are passed to mount
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07:08<jm_>Knight_Lord: edit /etc/default/autofs
07:08<Knight_Lord>jm_ only strict and fstype go to automount
07:09<hypnotic>lupine: gonna go study that nvidia/debian wiki, because i am still curious about debian's philosophy
07:09<Knight_Lord>jm_ thanks :)
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07:12<Knight_Lord>jm_ that was a good try, but i'm afraid it didn't fix the problem
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07:12<Knight_Lord>jm_ the stat64 still doesn't return
07:12<jm_>Knight_Lord: how fast is manual attempt?
07:13<Knight_Lord>jm_ you mean a manual mount?
07:13<Knight_Lord>jm_ I'm not entirely sure if it's the mount of what's going on
07:13<jm_>Knight_Lord: BTS page says it is
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07:14<Knight_Lord>jm_ I'm not sure it was the same bug, i'm just guessing
07:14<Knight_Lord>jm_ ok manual mount also takes forever before giving an error
07:14<hypnotic>lupine: does m-a only generate packages or does it also install, or both?
07:15<Knight_Lord>jm_ from another client it return immediatly
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07:15<avtobiff>hypnotic, both
07:15<jm_>Knight_Lord: are they both contacting the same host?
07:15<Knight_Lord>jm_ yes
07:15<jm_>Knight_Lord: different versions of mount?
07:15<hypnotic>lupine: yes i see, but you dont have to use m-a to uninstall, that can be done with dpkg or apt-get
07:15<Knight_Lord>jm_ I can check
07:16<Knight_Lord>2.13~rc3-1 works 2.13.1-3 does not
07:16<jm_>Knight_Lord: check the changelog
07:16<Knight_Lord>The mount gets stuck on wait4(-1,
07:17<Knight_Lord>stat64("/sbin/mount.nfs", {st_mode=S_IFREG|S_ISUID|0755, st_size=64744, ...}) = 0
07:17<Knight_Lord>clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD, child_tidptr=0xb7d429c8) = 3689
07:17<jm_>yeah just waiting for child process to finish
07:17<Knight_Lord>I guess it's maybe waiting for something to came back from the network
07:17<Knight_Lord>Finally returned mount.nfs: Connection timed out
07:18<jm_>soundsa thr same as that bug
07:18<jm_>eating a pear and discussing mount --? typos
07:18<Knight_Lord>[pid 4038] mount("dali:/usr/local/matlab-7sp1/bin", "/mnt/test", "nfs", 0, "addr=") = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
07:18<Knight_Lord>[pid 4038] time(NULL) = 1208258304
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07:18<Knight_Lord>[pid 4038] rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [CHLD], [], 8) = 0
07:18<Knight_Lord>[pid 4038] rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, NULL, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0
07:18<Knight_Lord>[pid 4038] rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
07:18<Knight_Lord>[pid 4038] nanosleep({10, 0}, {10, 0}) = 0
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07:19<Knight_Lord>I get this multiple times
07:19<Knight_Lord>When strace -f mount
07:19<jm_>yeah and it's retrying - please use a pastebin
07:19<jm_>all consistent with that BTS entry
07:19<Knight_Lord>But they say it's not a bug
07:19<Knight_Lord>I'm wondering how to fix it
07:20<jm_>would need to check the code
07:21<jm_>tried timeo nfs option?
07:21<Knight_Lord>man mount.nfs doesn't seem to have any option to specify how hard to try the mount
07:21<jm_>and retrans?
07:21<Knight_Lord>jm_ is that an export option?
07:21<jm_>man 5 nfs
07:21<jm_>Knight_Lord: no mount option
07:21<Knight_Lord>jm_ ok thanks
07:22<Knight_Lord>jm_ this is for after the partition has been mounted i think
07:22<jm_>Knight_Lord: no
07:22<Knight_Lord>jm_ alright, i'll try :)
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07:24<hypnotic>lupine: wiki looks interesting and comprehensible, but first i have to read some more on the difference between drivers compiled in the kernel and kernel modules, that difference is still a bit fuzzy (and what user space exactly is), thanx for your help, gonna do some work now, bye bye
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07:25<Knight_Lord>jm_ I tried mount -o retrans=0,timeo=0 and it didn't make any difference
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07:25<jm_>Knight_Lord: bummer
07:25<Knight_Lord>jm_ I think the options are only for the mounted filesystem
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07:25<jm_>Knight_Lord: that doesn't make sense
07:26<Knight_Lord>jm_ it's related to the soft nfs mount
07:26<Knight_Lord>jm_ basically soft nfs mount with infinite retrans = hard mount
07:27<jm_>Knight_Lord: try retry option then
07:28<Knight_Lord>jm_ no luck also. I think if there was an option it should be in the mount.nfs man page
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07:29<jm_>Knight_Lord: hmm which Debian version is this?
07:29<Knight_Lord>jm_ etch
07:29<Knight_Lord>jm_ and another is sid
07:29<Knight_Lord>jm_ both with problems
07:29<jm_>Knight_Lord: etch has no mount.nfs
07:30<Knight_Lord>jm_ yea that was the sid
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07:33<Knight_Lord>jm_ another insteresting think is that the problem does not always occur
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07:33<Knight_Lord>jm_ it occurs for example in the middle of running cmake
07:33<Knight_Lord>And then it stays after
07:34<jm_>Knight_Lord: well it definitely sounds exactly the same as BTS, which is a change they implemented on purpose
07:35<Knight_Lord>jm_ yes, could well be
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07:44<mysupper_>anybody using dual headed ati graphic card like X800GTO?
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08:06<dpkg>lhd is probably the Linux Hardware Database, at The information is contributed by people who actually used the hardware, so it can be patchy but is often more up-to-date than vendor reports
08:09<mysupper_>padski_, you mean I should search that site?
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08:09<dpkg>[hcl] at, see to see what's supported by the linux kernel,,, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn>
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08:10<themill>padski_: have you used lately? no such domain...
08:10<themill>padski_: ^^ that is...
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08:16<gosam[TOP]>anyone know how to configure debian-installer to scan additional CDs during install?
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08:18<ubuntu>quelqu1 parle le francais ici
08:18<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
08:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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08:20<ubuntu>mais comment
08:21<tsp>ubuntu: Cxu vi parolas Esperanton?
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08:26<ubuntu>kel sont les differences entre ubuntu et Debian
08:27<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
08:27<petemc>it seems not to want to pay attention to that
08:28<JustSoul>Is in debian HDD-check tool? like mhdd
08:29<oik>oik is good
08:29<oik>what is oik?
08:30<JustSoul>oik: oik is you?
08:30<jm_>JustSoul: what is mhdd?
08:30<oik>of course :)
08:30<themill>!question oik
08:30<dpkg>oik: Do you have a Debian-related question that we can help you with? If you do, please ask it and someone will try to help; if you do not, then please be quiet.
08:31<JustSoul>jm_: ru?
08:31<jm_>JustSoul: what do you mean with "ru"?
08:32<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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08:32<jm_>JustSoul: badblocks, smartmonsuite
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08:32<jm_>JustSoul: smartmontools
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08:43<Knight_Lord>Is there any way to speed up the transfer of lots of small files through rsync?
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08:43<tsp>Knight_Lord: -z?
08:44<themill>Knight_Lord: rsync usually *is* the way to speed that sort of transfer up. Tarring and untarring might help you, but then you lose advantages of the rsync diff algorithm.
08:44<Knight_Lord>tsp how does that help?
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08:44<Knight_Lord>themill don't quite have space to tar
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08:45<lupine>tar-and-netcat? :p
08:45<jm_>tar cvz ... | ssh 'cat > bla.tar.gz'
08:45<lupine>but yeah, rsync should be good-enough
08:45<Knight_Lord>themill i have about 3M files to transfer but rsync only reaches speeds of about 500KB/s on the small files
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08:46<Knight_Lord>Meaning i've been rsyncing for 4 days and i'm still at about 50%
08:46<JustSoul>Is there any tools for NOKIA 6280? Need to open it as usb-stick.
08:47<jm_>JustSoul: try gnokii
08:47<themill>Knight_Lord: that's probably a fs limitation. rsync also has a pretty huge memory footprint with that many files -- is your box thrashing?
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08:47<lupine>JustSoul: you do it using OBEX stuff, generally. DKU-2 cable?
08:48*lupine always used obexfs with FUSE
08:48<Knight_Lord>themill that's very well observed!
08:48<themill>Knight_Lord: perhaps something like this helps: tar cf - whatever | ssh remotehost " ( cd /some/path && tar xf - ) "
08:48<JustSoul>lupine: CA-53 cable (usb-phone)
08:48<Knight_Lord>themill I'm indeed using all available memory
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08:49<Knight_Lord>themill but i don't know if that's just file cashing
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08:49<Knight_Lord>themill i don't have swap so i can't really trash
08:49<themill>Knight_Lord: indeed. So that's not it.
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08:50<Knight_Lord>themill top doesn't show high iowait on either box
08:50<Knight_Lord>themill always aroudn 98% id on both server and client
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08:53<Knight_Lord>themill I wonder if ftp would be faster
08:53<Knight_Lord>themill i'm copying all files, it's the initial backup
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08:54<themill>Knight_Lord: the tar pipe is probably the best way for that then. But it's not restartable like ssh is unless you chunk the job by directory (or groups of directories)
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08:55<Knight_Lord>themill alright i'll give the tar pipe a try
08:55<themill>Knight_Lord: pity that means killing your existing rsync though.... :(
08:55<debacle>hi all, i'm planning to by a new ethernet card. how can i know if it is compatible with debian ?
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08:57<jm_>!tell debacle -about hcl
08:57<Knight_Lord>themill it's ok
08:58<Knight_Lord>themill it doesn't take that long to restart it
08:58<Knight_Lord>themill i mean compared to days :)
08:58<themill>Knight_Lord: well, except that it will have to restart the process or working out which files to sync
08:58<Knight_Lord>themill yes, but that doesn't take that long
08:58<Knight_Lord>no more than 20 minutes
08:58<themill>Knight_Lord: btw are you displaying filenames as they sync (-v)?
08:58<debacle>jm_ excuse me, what doest it mean -about hc1 ?
08:58<Knight_Lord>themill i am
08:59<Knight_Lord>themill but they don't go that fast that it becomes a bottleneck i think
08:59<themill>Knight_Lord: that can slow things down appreciably. sometimes. perhaps. At least if it's going to a tty.
08:59<jm_>debacle: read your screen and check what dpkg told you
08:59<Knight_Lord>themill and it should show up in iowait
08:59<Knight_Lord>themill if it was an important contribution
09:00<themill>Knight_Lord: probably... I've not looked.
09:00<Knight_Lord>themill it never gets faster than about 50 lines per second
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09:02<Knight_Lord>themill about the tar, do i only get files on the other side when the tar finishes?
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09:03<Knight_Lord>themill forget it
09:03<themill>Knight_Lord: that's the idea of that tar pipe, yes. local tar's output is sent to stdout which is sent over the network by the pipe into ssh which is executing tar -x on the other side.
09:03<themill>Knight_Lord: Test it out on a small dir structure first to make sure I've not fubar'd it :)
09:04<Knight_Lord>themill no no, it works :)
09:04<Knight_Lord>themill it's just not much faster i think :)
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09:04<Knight_Lord>themill but it was a neat idea I admit :)
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09:05<themill>might be a limitation of the fs that you're using then... although I don't know why it's not showing up in iowait. Presumably the rsync algorithm has some per-file-overhead; perhaps you're seeing that.
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09:05<Knight_Lord>themill i'm gonna test rsync .vs. tar .vs. ftp and pick the best
09:05<themill>Knight_Lord: there's a #rsync on freenode... perhaps they can help
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09:15<Knight_Lord>Can anyone advice on a good ftp client?
09:16<themill>Knight_Lord: for scripting, ncftp is good
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09:22<jm_>Knight_Lord: nope, not anyone can
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09:25-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@] by azeem
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09:27<malin>hello the french chan pleez
09:28<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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09:30<moritzbuesch>Can anyone help me out please, I have a question?
09:31<themill>!just ask
09:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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09:32<moritzbuesch>I just bought some fish and told my girlfriend to open the bag and float them in the aquarium with the top open. How long can I leave them in the plastic bag? will they be alright for a couple of hours?
09:33<azeem>moritzbuesch: do you have a Debian question?
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09:33<moritzbuesch>what do you mean debian?
09:33<azeem>moritzbuesch: why did you /join #debian
09:33<moritzbuesch>ahh right, no clue. I just clicked on a channel.
09:34<azeem>well, ask your question in an appropriate channel then
09:34<moritzbuesch>my bad..
09:34<moritzbuesch>didnt know it was so strict
09:34<themill>!topicsmite moritzbuesch
09:34<dpkg>And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon moritzbuesch. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
09:34<moritzbuesch>ok that is sad.
09:34<azeem>themill: please don't confuse obviously confused people even more
09:35<themill>That's fair.
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09:35<Gekz>That is _the_best_ question I have ever seen on any irc network
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09:36<Gekz>that man is clearly a god among trolls.
09:36<azeem>themill: the /topic is pretty obscure for people who have no idea what Debian is
09:36<mysupper_>I'm using X800GTO connected to 22" wide moniter(1680x1050) and 19" (1280x1024) on stables release.
09:36<themill>azeem: true... we don't get the chanserv notice on oftc, do we?
09:37<azeem>either he had no idea, and #d was just the default chan on the box he tried irc from, or he was a troll, then topicsmite doesn't help anyway
09:37<Gekz>the starting of the topic shuold say Debian OS Support
09:37<mysupper_>I tried aticonfig something and atidriver setup on gnome panel.
09:37<Gekz>Debian Operating System Support specifically
09:37<azeem>themill: I don't know
09:37<mysupper_>But I couldn't make extended desktop view, only possible 1050 vertical resolution on the 19" moniter.
09:37<themill>azeem: Yeah... on freenode, chanserv tells you that the channel is about support for debian gnu/linux operating system etc
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09:38<Gekz>noone sees chanserv messages
09:38<Gekz>because they come up in the server channel
09:38<Gekz>and not the channel when you join
09:38<mysupper_>Can I make extended view like in m$ windows?
09:38<mysupper_>or should I buy another Geforce dual head vga card?
09:38<Gekz>mysupper_: I did it with an ati x300
09:38<Gekz>therefore you can do it
09:39<themill>Gekz: true. And since no-one reads /topic anyway, we can't really rely on them either, can we :(
09:39<Gekz>I used the bigdesktop method, on ubuntuforums
09:39<Gekz>themill: its better to have a big sticker to point to than ntohing at aoll
09:39<mysupper_>the odd thing is I can make extended view but resolution is 3000x1050.
09:39<Gekz>otherwise you have to explain to them every time
09:39<themill>Gekz: :)
09:39<Gekz>instead of saying /topic nublet
09:41<mysupper_>ok..guess I should rewrite xorg.conf again now..
09:41<Gekz>mysupper_: wait.
09:41<mysupper_>yes. Gekz
09:41<Gekz>that's 3 ways you can do it
09:41<Gekz>and its debian-relevant
09:41<mysupper_>ok thx. I will read that article.
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09:41<Gekz>I used bigdesktop with fglrx when I did it
09:41<Gekz>just so you know
09:42<Gekz>"If even Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work, use the SAK. Hold down Alt-PrintScreen (this is the SysRq key combo), and while holding down those keys, press the letters 'S' to sync the disks, then 'U' to unmount the filesystems and 'B' to reboot the computer. Always try that before going for the power button. It's a bit awkward to do all that while holding Alt-PrintScreen, but it's not something you'll do often."
09:42<Gekz>I never knew that existed!
09:42<Gekz>thats very useful info
09:42<mysupper_>I was freezed at some page telling me that I can't do exact resolution on both lcd moniter using ati graphic card. but I should try one more time.
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09:44<Gekz>mysupper_: explain
09:44<Gekz>what you want to do
09:44<mysupper_>I have two moniter 1068x1050 and 1280x1024
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09:45<mysupper_>I tried aticonfig things everyway but I couldn't see exact resolution 1280x1024 at 19" side.
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09:45<mysupper_>only I could see was 3000x1050 big desk.
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09:45<Gekz>that method shuold work
09:45<Gekz>you have to use the fglrx driver thuogh
09:45<mysupper_>I want big desk 1068x1050 on 22" and 1280x1024 on 19".
09:46<Gekz>and thats a thing of its own on debian
09:46<Gekz>you need the non-free repo enabled
09:46<mysupper_>I will try again.
09:46<mysupper_>got it.
09:46<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati>
09:46<Gekz>there ya go
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09:49<Knight_Lord>themill rsync is the fastest
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09:52<themill>Knight_Lord: I'm not that surprised... btw did you have compression turned on (or off) for all these tests? rsync and ssh both offer compression.
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09:56<erancx>I'd like to know how do I set bonding on debian and make it work on startup
09:56<dpkg>well, bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source, or the documentation in the ifenslave package
09:56<erancx>actually, I already set the bond, but I don't know how to make it go on startup
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09:57<erancx>the bond only starts when I modprobe it and network restart
09:57<erancx>how do I make it load on startup?
09:57<weasel>erancx: simona:~# grep bond /etc/modules
09:57<weasel>add the module name to etc/modules
09:57<erancx>already done
09:57<weasel>then the module should get loaded when you boot
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09:58<erancx>"bonding" ?
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09:58<erancx>the etc/modules gets load on startup?
09:58<azeem>that's the point of that file, yes
09:59<erancx>so I need to set alias bond bonding and options mii=100 and so on
09:59<erancx>on /etc/modules
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09:59<weasel> pre-up echo active-backup > /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/mode
09:59<weasel> pre-up echo 100 > /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/miimon
09:59<weasel> pre-up echo 5000 > /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/updelay
09:59<weasel>is what I have in network/interfaces
10:00<azeem>erancx: for alias and options, see /etc/modprobe.d
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10:41<Slydder>anyone here use ossim?
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10:44<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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10:48<linuxfreak>hi all
10:48<linuxfreak>whats up
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10:53<guy>I am trying to download some packages with `apt-get -d install` (`aptitude download` just isn't cutting it for me). I want apt-get to continue it's process even if it can't find a package instead of dying. I've tried the --ignore-missing option, but it's not fixing my problem. Any suggestions?
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10:54<padski_>guy, for p in `cat packages` ; do apt-egt -d $p ; done
10:54<guy>right, should have thought of that
10:55<guy>thx padski_
10:55<padski_>guy, you are welcome
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11:03<raven478>When will there be a new release of debian?
11:04<dpkg>hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
11:04<dpkg>from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>).
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11:04<raven478>thank you
11:05<raven478>I want to upgrade my server box
11:05<themill>raven478: why?
11:06<themill>raven478: If you are currently running etch on your server, leave it that way.
11:06<raven478>Yes i wil wait til sept
11:06<themill>raven478: or later... Debian releases have a habit of being later rather than earlier.
11:07<raven478>Yeah im currently running ubuntu on my main pc. Its nice but i miss the debian feeling
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11:26<sivang>hi all
11:27<sivang>i've set up reprepro to fetch files from and am getting the following error when running reprepro update (i have only lenny as the suite)
11:27<sivang>Receiving '' wrong checksums: md5 expected: ecafcaf8c16e7952f9217a3da2516aa7, got: 542a5334cce51839432516e06c11b3f2
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11:27<sivang>does anybody have an idea as to how to fix it?
11:28<sivang>(i cannot figure why it expects a different checksum and where did it get this expectation from)
11:28<padski_>sivang, perhaps try again
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11:28<padski_>sivang, from the Release file
11:29<rogi_cps>i have debian 4, and need install network card, 8139c, with seek hardware?
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11:29<sivang>padski_: how do you mean ?
11:30<rogi_cps>i need instar car netowk realtek 8139c in debian 4, please help me?
11:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:31<padski_>rogi_cps, as far as I know, it should just work
11:31<rogi_cps>debian-br no response, have chanel in spanish??
11:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:32<azeem>rogi_cps: patience
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11:32<padski_>sivang, which bit ?
11:33<sivang>padski_: i've tried several times
11:33<sivang>padski_: same error
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11:33<rogi_cps>it is a canal that nobody speaks swims. debian-br
11:33<padski_>sivang, oh :-( hence 'perhaps'
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11:34<padski_>sivang, try a different mirror
11:34<azeem>rogi_cps: it's usual that smaller channels need some time to react, just be patient
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11:34<azeem>wait a couple of hours
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11:34<rogi_cps>the plate does not only go up together with the Debian4 in the installation, but as I changed, I would costaria to know if he has as to make with that it looks the hardware?
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11:35<rogi_cps>excuse-me english, is tradutor,
11:35<rogi_cps>the plate does not only go up together with the Debian4 in the installation, but as I changed, I would like to know if he has as to make with that it looks the hardware?
11:35<azeem>rogi_cps: I don't understand
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11:36<padski_>but it is very pretty
11:36<dpkg>hello, padski_
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11:39<rogi_cps>I installed a Debian 4 to be a server of proxy, and later I removed of it the net plate, to change for another one, that in the case is a Realtek 8139, and placed it and when I went up the Linux, it he did not recognize. In the case I came back the old plate of the installation that also is another one 8139c and it does not recognize. It has as I to make, or through command with that the Debian ver
11:39<rogi_cps>ifies the hardware and installs what it will be necessary, in the same way as is made in the Windows?
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11:39<azeem>rogi_cps: please ask in #debian-br
11:39<padski_>rogi_cps, "net plate" is "network card" or "NIC"
11:39<azeem>rogi_cps: try #debian-br on, maybe
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11:41<rogi_cps>debian-br no response
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11:41<azeem>rogi_cps: 17:30 < azeem> rogi_cps: patience
11:41<azeem>rogi_cps: 17:37 < azeem> rogi_cps: try #debian-br on, maybe
11:42<azeem>hrm, no
11:42<rogi_cps>it is a net plate.... I do not have to driver them, but when I installed the Debian, he himself I found, therefore, what I am wanting, he is that it finds again, has as to make this?
11:43<azeem>rogi_cps: it's impossible to provide technical support through a web translator, sorry
11:43<rogi_cps>yes.... thnaks for atention
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11:45<azeem>padski: stop that
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11:45<padski>azeem, sorry!
11:45<rogi_cps>Exist an channel in spanish??
11:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:46<rogi_cps>thanks channel debian
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11:55<mysupper_>Gekz, are you there?
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11:57<Entheogen>has anyone tried kde4 on debian testing?
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11:58<padski>Entheogen, nope. is it any good ?
11:58<dpkg>it has been said that kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian.
11:58<Entheogen>well i wanna install it so i wanted to know is there any tutorial that someone here could suggest me ;)
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12:02<mysupper_>I guess I made some ridiculous(?) xinerama on my desktop using only stable release (1680x1050,1280x1024).
12:02<mysupper_>works pretty fine and shining.
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12:02<mysupper_>thx, Gekz
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12:07<mysupper_>thx Gekz , I gotta go sleep now. (too sleepy.)
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12:11<Gekz>mysupper_: no worries
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12:19<daemon3>Please. I need help immediately. I can't change the screen resolution.
12:19<daemon3>It's stuck at 640x800 or something like that.
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12:20<daemon3>But the should-be resolution is something like 1024x768.
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12:20<daemon3>I'm running Ubuntu 7.10.
12:20<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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12:20<cahoot>daemon3: sorry wrong channel
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12:21<daemon3>cahoot: Ubuntu is debian-based though, and I'm having trouble connecting to #ubuntu on freenode.
12:22<daemon3>Anyway, I hate running the xorg reconfigure. I always ALWAYS mess up my X.
12:22<daemon3>...that is...x-server
12:22<SlayerXP>daemon3: this is still not #ubuntu
12:22<cahoot>so what do you expect this channel would magically solve?
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12:23<SlayerXP>I just like oxygen! it's based on oxygen!
12:24<cahoot>analogies do suck
12:24<cwood>Is there anything about the Debian apache setup that would cause basic auth portions of a <Directory> container to be ignored in favour of something in .htaccess? I have something that works, but only in .htaccess, and not in a <Directory> container.
12:24<padski>cahoot, metaphorically speaking ?
12:25<cahoot>metaphore is another matter ;)
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12:26<daemon3>cahoot: I want to get my screen resolution back to normal.
12:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:27<cahoot>daemon3: accept the fact that the solutions to be expected here are debian-based ;)
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12:28<padski>As a sideline I can also tutor you on how to use your knoppix to install slackware, but you have to send me the money first ;-)
12:29<cahoot>why would one wish to install slack? and pay for the 'pleasure'?
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12:36<padski>$30 is a small price to pay for eternal salvation
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12:37<cwood>Or, more generally, why would something in .htaccess work while in sites-enabled/sitename <Directory> fail?
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12:43<padski>cwood, perhaps paste an example
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12:46<cwood>.htaccess just has the auth lines pasted from the Directory container.
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12:59<padski>cwood, seems to work pretty much as I would expect: when AllowOverride None I get the <directory> auth and when AllowOverride All I get the .htaccess auth.
12:59<cwood>padski: I wonder what I have wrong, when I have None I don't get any auth.
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13:01<cwood>I must have something typoed somewhere, heh.
13:02<padski>cwood, I changed this
13:02<padski><Directory "/home/paddy/web/">
13:02<padski><Directory /home/paddy/web>
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13:04<debacle>hi all, i 'm stiil here asking help. I need to know how is possible that many "linux hardware compatibility list" site do not report an ethernet card as compatible but the vendor (INTEL) says it's supported by linux 2.2/2.4/2.6
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13:05<debacle>i need to buy an ethernet card and i'd like to buy something plug-and-play
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13:09<peterS>debacle: pretty much all Intel ethernet cards are very well supported. except wireless, then it gets a bit more complicated.
13:10<peterS>(wireless technically isn't ethernet, but whatever)
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13:11<debacle>peterS: thank you for helping me. the ethernet card is alittle bit expencive (134 euros) and i do not want waste money
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13:13<debacle>on intel site the ethernet card is declared compatible with redhat ... do you think it will be compatible also with debian ?
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13:14<peterS>debacle: wow - around here a low-end ethernet card is more like US$10, high-end more like US$70. so EUR134 sounds very expensive
13:14<sylock>hello everybody
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13:15<peterS>debacle: anyway, I wouldn't worry about Intel network cards. if it is too new to be supported by the default debian kernel, you can download updated (unofficial) install images that work. but most Intel cards work fine with the default debian kernel.
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13:15<peterS>debacle: is this an Intel PRO/100 or PRO/1000 or what?
13:16<debacle>peterS: i know, that's the reason for the paranoia ! the problem is that my debian runs on a Apple MacPro it ONLY has PCIe slots. NO PCI only PCI express.
13:17<spanther>funny thing that they dont support PCI because many cards are still PCI Oo
13:17<peterS>well, I guess PCI express cards are generally new enough that the Debian etch kernel may or may not recognize all of them
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13:17<peterS>if necessary you can download an install image with a newer kernel, from
13:18<sylock>I have a question (I'm a newb with Debian) : is it possible to install a local .deb fil with dependencies mangement ? I didn't found a solution on the net. So I install the fil with dpkg -i name_of_the_file.deb wich create a broken package that I repaired with an apt-get install -f command.
13:18<debacle>it's an INTEL PRO/1000 PT
13:18<peterS>sylock: that works fine. if you want to avoid the ugly error messages, use dpkg --unpack instead of dpkg -i.
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13:19<sylock>ok. thanks peter.
13:19<blal>What is the (a) default way of setting the system date via an Internet time server?
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13:19<blal>I thought there was something in /etc/init.d; not sure.
13:19<peterS>blal: you are probably thinking of the 'ntpdate' package
13:20<blal>peterS: Does that have something that runs in /etc/init.d by default?
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13:21<debacle>peterS: i'm on debian Lenny (TESTING) kernel is amd_64 2.6.24 is there a way to know it it's already supported ?
13:21<peterS>debacle: I'm looking now
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13:23<debacle>peterS: thanks a lot man ! (i'm not a linux expert ... i've switched to linux from mac os x last month !)
13:25<cwood>padski: Hm, fiddled around and that didn't give me any joy. I'm going to slap myself when I find out what I've done wrong, I'm sure. ;)
13:25<spanther>debacle, so you've switched from proprietary stuff to open freedom :) gratulations
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13:26<peterS>debacle: hmmm. I don't see support for any of the 4 PCI chips that call themselves "PRO/1000 PT Dual Port Server Adapter" in the 2.6.24 kernel. interesting. a zillion other Intel gigabit chips are supported.
13:26<debacle>spanther: Yes!! finally ... the hardest thing it's deciding to swith ... only this !
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13:26<sylock>to peterS : I juste read the man of the dpkg command. So if I understand well, give the --unpack argument to the dpkg command will not really solve the problem of dependencies but avoid the error message. So I will yet need to make an apt-get install -f ?
13:26<peterS>sylock: yes
13:26<peterS>or aptitude -f install
13:27<sylock>ok :)
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13:28<spanther>debacle, open source has some security features like that the code is completely open so nobody could hide spyware without others knowing it :) so its a secure system where no data will be send you dont know about ^^
13:29<debacle>peterS: this card is also known as EXPi 9402pt (intel website)
13:29<blal>spanther : Security is a process.
13:30<cwood>Remember the Quake backdoor, heh.
13:30<spanther>blal, well but you can trust into open source that it wont spy :)
13:30<blal>cwood : Does that involve a rocket launcher?
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13:30<blal>spanther : No, you can verify. :)
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13:31<spanther>blal, thats what i meaned xD
13:31<blal>cwood : rofl
13:31<jussi>hi all, I'm trying to create a bootable usb stick for installing ia64. I've done zcat netboot.tar.gz > /dev/sda1 but when I try to mount it, it complains about unknown filesystem type. what to do?
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13:32<cwood>jussi: sounds like you need to untar it as well... zcat will leave a tar archive on your usb stick.
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13:32<jussi>cwood: ok!
13:32<peterS>debacle: yeah, interesting ... it's using the 82572GI chip. the "e1000e" kernel driver mentions the 82572 and says it isn't yet supported. so.
13:32<blal>cwood : chroot jail, anyone?
13:32<cwood>iirc it should be fat32, and you copy the files from the tar archive there. But don't take my word for it, never done it.
13:33<debacle>peterS: on the intel site is there a driver to download.*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go%21
13:33<jussi>cwood: so I would tar -zxvf netboot.tar.gz and then do?
13:33<spanther>cwood, backroots are another thing but they are known and can be fixed :P
13:33<jussi>cat debian-installer/ > /dev/sda1?
13:34<cwood>jussi: you would format the stick, mount it, untar the installer, copy files to the installer. But then, I've never made a usb stick, so don't really know. I do know you wouldn't: cat file.tar > /dev/sda1 ... and expect it to work, anyway.
13:34<debacle>peterS: how do i should i install this driver ? if i had do recompile kernel ... well ... i can't, couse i 'm too joung to do this
13:34<blal>jussi : There must be a HOWTO about this somewhere.
13:34<jussi>cwood: it's what the guide says.
13:35<cwood>Maybe the guide is better at it than me? :)
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13:35<peterS>debacle: errr, I mean 82571GB. anyway, the driver says it isn't supported, though other 82571 chips seem to have some support.
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13:35<jussi>blal, dtbt, I get confused with the flexible instructions as it suggests using syslinux and the netboot file contains elilo files. and I can't find the syslinux config file anywhere
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13:36<cwood>I've always found that buying slightly older hardware for Linux-based systems works out much better...
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13:36<peterS>debacle: also, I don't see a Linux driver on that Intel web page
13:36<blal>Gotta go back to work.
13:36<blal>Here's an URL to try...
13:37<debacle>peterS: Network Adapter Driver for Gigabit PCI Based Network Connections for Linux* (193KB)
13:37<peterS>a simple typo, I'm sure, blal
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13:37<blal>jussi : It mentions a few things like creating partitions on a USB device, etc. Not sure if that will help. Gotta run, tho. :(
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13:38<blal>peterS : What, the quake vs. bootingUSB howto typo?
13:38<peterS>blal: yeah
13:38<spanther>microsoft really should change their business they should open all code to get back trust and then they should sell support that will give more profit and more happy people :)
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13:39<blal>peterS : Yep, I get those mixed up all the time. You guys are lucky; I usually accidentally link to something in 4chan.
13:39<cwood>Here's a question. If I use Options FollowSymLinks in an Apache <Directory /path/to/dir> config, do I have to use <Directory /path/to/dir/subdir> or can I use <Directory /path/to/dir/actualdir>?
13:39<sylock>I have a second question. I tried to put the prompt of the console with colors with the PS1 variable in the /etc/bash.bashrc and into the /etc/profile but did nothing. Which file will I need to change ?
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13:39<cwood>spanther: considering the dearth of massively profitable free software only multinational corporations, that is likely not a useful business model.
13:40<jussi>blal, ok. thanks anyway.
13:40<cwood>sylock: did you start a new terminal or reload those configs in some manner?
13:40<sylock>yes I did restarted the terminal
13:40<cwood>sylock: you could also have a local .bash_profile or .bashrc overriding things.
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13:41<debacle>peterS: this seems to be the direct link to the driver:
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13:41<spanther>cwood, i just mean it would bring trustness back to them :) if customers know what happens then they are happier with their computers :)
13:41<sylock>cwood, which are where ? in the home directory ? in etc ?
13:41<cwood>spanther: You can't pay rent and groceries with trust. You need money for that.
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13:42<cwood>sylock: I have a symlink in /var/www pointing to somewhere under $HOME.
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13:42<cwood>sylock: and when I try to restrict access using basic auth to the location under $HOME, it works using .htaccess but not with lines in a <Directory> container in sites-enabled/cwood, very odd.
13:42<spanther>cwood, they could sell licenses for this software and licenses for business customers :)
13:42<cwood>spanther: now you're only fantasizing.
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13:43<sylock>ok I'm searching for
13:43<debacle>peterS: the readme file told me something like building and then insmodinng the driver ...
13:43<cwood>(And they do sell software licences, remember?)
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13:43<debacle>peterS: do you think it will work on debian ?
13:44<spanther>cwood, sure but as long users dont know what happens on their computers they wont trust microsoft :)
13:45<cwood>spanther: straw man, most people don't have the skills to know what's happening on their computers, whether Windows, Mac, Linux.
13:45<spanther>thats right indeed *g*
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13:46<cwood>So why your ridiculous nonsense about Microsoft changing their (profitable, functioning) business model?
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13:48<spanther>cause they're evil :P
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13:49<debacle>can anyone just tell if there is particular thing to do after plugging the ethernet card (apart booting linux)? I mean: after plugging the ethernet to the motherboard how can i know if it's supported by default or not ?
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13:50<debacle>i'm on lenny linux-2.6.24
13:50<cwood>debacle: you can only load up the kernel module and see if you can configure the interface via ifconfig, iirc.
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13:50<cwood>debacle: of course, if your system auto-probes for hardware, it might find the thing. Otherwise, you may have to manually load the module.
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13:51<sylock>I searched for the PS1 config but didn't found. So to sum the situation : there are 4 files to config the terminal : /etc/profile ; /etc/bash.bashrc ; /home/user/.bashrc ; /home/user/.bash_profile. I tried to change the PS1 line in each on them but with no changes.
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13:51<peterS>debacle: it looks to me like it may be supported by the driver from the Intel site, but not by kernels from either Debian or from
13:51<cwood>doesn't $PS1 only control your prompt?
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13:52<peterS>debacle: this is a strange situation, normally Intel is very good about getting driver updates into the main kernel
13:52<cwood>sylock: for instance, try: export PS1='$'
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13:52<debacle>cwood: i 'm a really newbie ! i know i 'm asking obvoius things for you. excuse me for that ! :-(
13:53<cwood>Hm, colours. Let me think.
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13:53<StucKman>hi all. I have two almost identical machines, and when X starts, one reads the edid info and sets the resolution all right, but the other one doesn't. both are using the new xserver-xorg-video-intel driver
13:53<sylock>i will try cwood
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13:53<debacle>peterS: what's your suggestion ? should i buy it ?
13:54<peterS>debacle: I would not buy it unless I had a different NIC to install the system with. Then later I might mess with getting the Intel driver to build and work.
13:54<debacle>cwood: how can i know if my system auto-probes for hardware ?
13:54<cwood>debacle: you should see it in the boot sequence.
13:54<peterS>cwood: his system won't find this particular nic, which isn't even supported by Linus's git tree yet
13:55<peterS>(yes, I did in fact just check)
13:55<cwood>debacle: as peterS said, you're better off listening to him.
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13:55<sylock>cwood, it work when I do your command directly in the instance
13:55<cwood>sylock: you mean you get color, or you get a $ prompt?
13:56<debacle>peterS: i agree ... but it's the only NIC available as PCI express card here. :-(
13:56<sylock>I get '$' on the prompt
13:57<cwood>sylock: you can try running dircolors, and then running the commands it gives you
13:57<debacle>I'm deperate ... Apple as usual do innovation without minding !! What sense has shipping a computer pci EXPRESS only equipped ??
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13:57<cwood>sylock: then ls --color, you get nice shiny color output
13:58<sylock>I juste tried typing this : export PS1='\[\033[00m\][\[\033[31m\]\u\[\033[00m\]@\[\033[35m\]\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]]\[\033[00m\]\$ '
13:58<cwood>debacle: Perhaps you could order a new network card from Apple?
13:58<sylock>and it work with right colkors for the prompts
13:58<cwood>sylock: aha, there you go. I've never used a colour prompt.
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13:58<peterS>debacle: Auke Kok at Intel recently announced some stuff about PRO/1000 for PCI Express, I'm reading a bit now
13:59<sylock>yes. but I can't do this permanent
13:59<sylock>I don't find the right config file to modify
13:59<cwood>sylock: you can put that in your .bashrc
14:00<debacle>cwood: i've called Apple Support today. They told: we have no ethernet to sold separately.
14:00<sylock>ok I'm trying so
14:00<cwood>Yeah, sounds like Apple. Maybe contact a reseller, or somebody that repairs/resells used Apple hardware?
14:01<debacle>peterS: it seems there is a sourceforge page @
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14:02<sylock>I put this exact command into my .bashrc but didn't worked :(
14:02<sylock>I will try in others files
14:03<wferi>Hi! What's the preferred method for having shorthand symlinks for persistent devices names like /dev/disk/by-id/....?
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14:04<peterS>debacle: yeah ... anyway I don't see any recent requests to merge PRO/1000 driver updates into the main kernel, so I don't have a lot of hope that these chips will be supported soon
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14:05<debacle>cwood: already done. the reseller told me: you have two ethernet cards aren't them enough ?? and then he told me that mac os do not suppert more than two ethernet cards, so for the problem doesn't exist ! :-(
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14:06<cwood>sylock: # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells ... so if you're logging in, putting source ~/.bashrc in your .bash_profile will make sure that .bashrc is called
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14:07<debacle>peterS: ok ... so i only have to try building e1000 driver hoping it works ???
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14:07<peterS>debacle: if you already have an installed system, building additional driver modules is possible. though exactly how easy it is depends on the driver.
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14:09<debacle>peterS: do i have to rebuild the kernel for making driver to work ? (please tell me it's not necessary !) ;-)
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14:09<peterS>debacle: not necessary. but the exact procedure depends on how the driver itself is packaged.
14:09<sylock>ahhh. It work in user mode but not in root mode
14:10<sylock>I read something about that but I didn't know what anymore. I need to make a link if I remember well
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14:11<cwood>sylock: depending on how you get root privileges. If you use regular sudo, you will inherit the previous environment. I'd recommend syncing up your own .bashrc and .bash_profile if you want this stuff also when you're doing root things.
14:11<sylock>thanks for your help ;)
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14:12<sylock>I was really desesparate not having pretty colors :D
14:12<cwood>I've helped somebody attain pretty colours. I feel dirty. :p
14:12<cwood>sylock: Also, try reading your way through man bash sometime... it really does help.
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14:13<sylock>ok. I will ;)
14:14<debacle>peterS: i think i'll go buying this card. Just a more question can i count to your help if i'm in trouble ?
14:14<cwood>debacle: My lesson from your situation will be to not buy Apple. :p
14:14<peterS>debacle: if I'm around, I can always try to help. I'm not always around.
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14:16<debacle>cwood: you are right ... but the hardware was bought for running mac os x ... then i switched to linux
14:17<debacle>peterS: thank a million !! your (and all peoples here) help is really appreciated !!!
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14:20<debacle>this is another thing macintosh users do not have ... support from the community !!! they are only able to use iLife, iTunes, or iPods ... bleahhh !!!
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14:21<cwood>Sure they have support... my girlfriend's mac support is me. :p
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14:22<sylock>bye bye. c u later, for sure ;)
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14:23<debacle>see you all !
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14:30<cwood>Interesting, as to my issue, I get different behaviour from mod_auth when accessing a directory directly versus accessing it via a symlink.
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14:31<cwood>Maybe I should use mod_alias instead of symlinks, heh.
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14:34<wferi>Hi! What's the preferred method for having shorthand symlinks for persistent devices names like /dev/disk/by-id/....?
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14:35<cwood>wferi: personally I used to make them with ln.
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14:36<wferi>From rc.local?
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14:36<cwood>wferi: no, way before this hotplug stuff. Hm, good question.
14:37<cwood>wferi: as an example, what persistent device name do you have, and what would your symlink be called?
14:37<wferi>There is /etc/udev/links.conf, but with a quite frightening comment at the top...
14:37<wferi>I'd like /dev/maxtor1 -> /dev/disks/by-id/...
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14:37<amphi>wferi: heh
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14:38<amphi>wferi: "# Hic sunt leones." is a great comment
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14:38<wferi>Sure :)
14:38<wferi>Everything is clear at once...
14:38<cwood>wferi: without knowing anything about udev, you notice there are a number of *.rules files, perhaps write your own and have it parsed where the other rules files are?
14:39<cwood>wferi: there's a persistent.rules ...
14:39<wferi>I used to write rules. Now I don't want a rule but a static entry under /dev... There MUST be a simple way.
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14:39<wferi>Like putting it into /dev/.static/dev or so.
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14:40<wferi>Which is silly, of course.
14:41<cwood>I have no idea, sorry. Way outside my experience.
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14:41<wferi>No problem. fjp talked about this on DebConf, but I didn't quite get it (the recording was too faint at that point)
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14:42<wferi>Perhaps I'll ask him personally.
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14:43<padski>I have a Belkin F8T012. after I plug it into a lenny box, lsusb gets stuck in the D state.
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14:48<yanntech>hi all
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14:51<padski>looks like this is 0x050d:0x0121, I see "kernel: pegasus: v0.6.14 (2006/09/27), Pegasus/Pegasus II USB Ethernet driver"
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14:53<Zyklon-B>Hi people, I am studying Linux via a education DVD, actually it's made in 2004, and there it praise REISERFS very much, about the performence, stability...So I wonder which one is better ext3 or reiserfs?
14:54<dpkg>well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
14:54<cwood>Z: I wonder whether you'll get any help on anything with that nick.
14:54<Zyklon-B>stability and being fast are my best concern :)
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14:55<Zyklon-B>in the dvd it actually says reiserfs is quite good with small size of files, but it didn't mean anything to...
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14:55<Zyklon-B>cwood are you jewish :D
14:56<azeem>Zyklon-B: please keep it on topic
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15:10<schtr4jh>hello boys ... (and girls =)) ... i've got a problem
15:10<schtr4jh>i deleted /etc/apache2/ from my system and now i can't install apache2 again
15:11<hazard2>even if you purge the package?
15:11<NinjaMan>is that because you apt/dpk won't allow you to uninstall?
15:11<hazard2>or manually download the deb and then have dpkg mindlessly install it?
15:11<hazard2>(over everything else)
15:11<schtr4jh>actually ... i can install apache but .conf files are missing
15:11<schtr4jh>and it can't start
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15:12<NinjaMan>what is the error message?
15:12<schtr4jh>apache2: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory
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15:12<NinjaMan>oic, it might be quicker just to send you an apache2.conf file
15:13<NinjaMan>where did you keep your main site config? in /etc/apache2/sites-available ?
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15:13<NinjaMan>is the the document root?
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15:14<schtr4jh>root@oxygenium:/etc/apache2# ls
15:14<schtr4jh>httpd.conf mods-available
15:14<NinjaMan>oic you are missing everything
15:14<schtr4jh>httpd.conf is empty
15:15<NinjaMan>what happens when you purge apache2 and all associated application like hazard2 said?
15:15<NinjaMan>any error messages?
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15:16<schtr4jh>root@oxygenium:/etc/apache2# sudo apt-get remove --purge apache2
15:16<schtr4jh>Reading package lists... Done
15:16<schtr4jh>Building dependency tree... Done
15:16<schtr4jh>The following packages will be REMOVED:
15:16<schtr4jh> apache2*
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15:16<schtr4jh>flood =) oopsy :D
15:16<NinjaMan>don't you have any other apache files installed?
15:17<NinjaMan>like apache2-mpm-*
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15:17<hazard2>since the base apache2 package requires a worker-ythread thingy
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15:17<schtr4jh>apache2-mpm-prefork is installed
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15:18<NinjaMan>ok purge that as well
15:18<hazard2>try removing it
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15:18<hazard2>and for the love of god, try using aptitude
15:18<NinjaMan>purge everything apache
15:18<hazard2>its a little smarter
15:18<NinjaMan>LOL @ hazard2
15:18<NinjaMan>I have to admit aptitude does work well
15:18<padski>so the file /dev/bus/usb/001/009 (or whatever) returns ENOENT trying to read from 001/001 blocks in the kernel until the device is removed. :-(
15:18<NinjaMan>I still prefer it over synaptic
15:18<schtr4jh>ok ... everything is removed
15:18<hazard2>its about as fast as intelligent as apt-get
15:19<hazard2>isn't as sluggish as the GUI versions
15:19<hazard2>and gives you plenty of chances to avoid removing your kernel to satisfy dependencies
15:19<cwood>It does? That's no fun.
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15:20<padski>cwood, how did your apache thing go ?
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15:20<NinjaMan>schtr4jh - have you searched for all apache related files using aptitude?
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15:21<cwood>padski: I gave up on the symlink thing, and it worked perfectly in its own directory under /var/www with the auth in my site config. Odd.
15:21<hazard2>in theory with aptitude (especially) you should be able to just say purge apache2 and it will take care of the rest (given apti-get works on the same idea, but seems to have a more limited view on the world)
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15:22<schtr4jh>look ... i dont' know everything in linux ... i just know how to install programs and using joe =) thats all ... and i need apache, php, mysql and phpmyadmin on my server ... that's all
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15:22<hazard2>I know, I'm just giving you a suggestion, that should help make life easier
15:22<dondelelcaro>schtr4jh: just install whatever you need.
15:22<dondelelcaro>hazard2: purging packages isn't the right way to install missing configuration files
15:22<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
15:23<dondelelcaro>^^ that's how you do it
15:23<padski>cwood, ah! I didn't mention, I used alias
15:23<padski>cwood, symlinks won't work by design
15:23<padski>cwood, I think :-)
15:24<hazard2>I *DID* suggest the dpkg force install thing...
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15:24<hazard2>or just upkack the deb and find the configs in it
15:24<cwood>padski: I can't seem to find an authoritative voice on that. If I symlink /var/www/x to /home/cwood/x, neither item used in <Directory> will be able to use basic auth, so perhaps it is by design.
15:24<cwood>Well, neither will be able to use basic auth unless by .htaccess. Hm.
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15:27<flub>memtest86+ saying: unexpected interrupt - halting isn't a good sign is it?
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15:28<NinjaMan>schtr4jh: seriously install aptitude 1st and we'll talk you through the rest - it will make your life easier
15:29<dondelelcaro>NinjaMan: he doesn't need to use aptitude
15:29<schtr4jh>ok ... i have aptitude installed
15:29<schtr4jh>now what?
15:29<dondelelcaro>it's pretty trivial; just run apt-get -o Dpkg::OPtions::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2-common (or apache2.2-common)
15:29<dondelelcaro>schtr4jh: just run the command above.
15:30<dondelelcaro>(use apache2.2-common if this is testing or unstable)
15:30<schtr4jh>E: Package apache2-common has no installation candidate
15:30<flub>linux also gives me a call trace to look at. should i suspect a bad motherboard?
15:30<dondelelcaro>schtr4jh: read what I just said...
15:30<padski>cwood, see the doco for FollowSymlinks at "Even though the server follows the symlink it does not change the pathname used to match against <Directory> sections."
15:31<NinjaMan>dondelecaro - I didn't say she needed to use aptitude, I just think it would be easier in the long run
15:31<schtr4jh>ok ... i used 2.2
15:31<NinjaMan>now is as good a time to familiarise as any
15:31<dondelelcaro>NinjaMan: not with the instructions you're giving
15:31<cwood>padski: I read it, and it confused me, given that using /var/www/x (a symlink) in my config didn't provide basic auth.
15:32<NinjaMan>dondelelcare: I haven't given any instructions yet apart from install aptitude
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15:32<adriano>hi to al
15:32<dondelelcaro>12:18:12 <NinjaMan> purge everything apache
15:32<adriano>I setted [*] ATI Radeon display support under graphic section in the kernel configuration
15:33<padski>cwood, sorry, perhaps a better explanation: see
15:33<NinjaMan>and what was wrong with that? it was predicated on using an intelligent package manager
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15:33<adriano>when I start "startx" the monitor became black and I can't do any
15:33<NinjaMan>and now I know one isn't being used I have suggested aptitude
15:33<schtr4jh>apt-get remove --purge apache* ?
15:33<dondelelcaro>NinjaMan: it's totally useless. The proper solution is to reinstall the package with --force-confmiss the package that provides the configuration files.
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15:33<dondelelcaro>schtr4jh: you don't need to do that *at all*.
15:34<dondelelcaro>schtr4jh: just run the command that I gave you, and you should be done.
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15:34<NinjaMan>ok dondelelcaro :)
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15:35<cwood>padski: That seems to imply that if I request http://me/x I will be getting files from /var/www/x -- which is symlinked to /home/cwood/x.
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15:36<schtr4jh>E: Package apache2-common has no installation candidate
15:36<dondelelcaro>schtr4jh: again, it's apache2.2-common
15:36<padski>cwood, see option FollowSymlinks
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15:36<padski>cwood, see the doco for FollowSymlinks at "Even though the server follows the symlink it does not change the pathname used to match against <Directory> sections."
15:36<dondelelcaro>schtr4jh: reading what I said is essential; if you don't understand something, ask questions.
15:36<padski>cwood, its a bit like a chroot
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15:37<dondelelcaro>schtr4jh: then you're done; that put back all of the configuration files and you should be able to coninue on.
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15:37<schtr4jh>now i can install apache and other files?
15:37<dondelelcaro>schtr4jh: uh... if you removed them, you can install them, but you didn't have to.
15:37<cwood>padski: So to my understanding, the <Directory /var/www/x> statement should function for things in /home/cwood/x. Except that it doesn't. Or my understanding is quite incomplete.
15:38<dondelelcaro>no, <Directory> applies to physical directories
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15:38<cwood>Still, when using <Directory /home/cwood/x>, it did not do basic auth.
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15:39<dondelelcaro>if you're using basic auth, you want it for the location /x, generally speaking
15:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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15:39<cwood>So better to use <Location /x> instead of a <Directory> ?
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15:41<cwood>Obviously I should stick to sending documents out over email. :p
15:41<PhatJ>does debian 'experimental' have a different name for apt -> sources.list ?
15:41<dondelelcaro>PhatJ: nope
15:42<dondelelcaro>cwood: it really shouldn't matter, but the resolution of symlinks to physical paths is always odd
15:42<PhatJ>some mirrors must not grab experimental then :(
15:42<dondelelcaro>PhatJ: not all packages are built for all architectures in experimental. What are you looking for?
15:42<cwood>dondelelcaro: I recall filing a really odd bug on recursion through symlinks in du... I should likely stay away from them when doing vital stuff. ;)
15:42<PhatJ>i386 is more than enough for me
15:43<dondelelcaro>cwood: generally you use Alias instead of symlinks
15:43<cwood>Hm, yeah.
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15:43<dondelelcaro>PhatJ: it's there
15:43<PhatJ>for the life of me I cannot get jabberd2 to compile via source - i'm missing something around sasl - or the code is not finding it
15:44<PhatJ>dondelelcaro: yep - already been surfing around debian's package site :)
15:44<dondelelcaro>PhatJ: anyway, if you pick an official mirror you should be able to get it
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15:44<dondelelcaro>(we don't require that people mirror experimental, but almost every one does because it's tiny)
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15:46<padski>cwood, apologies (again). I see that the symlink works, but then it seems your directory statement doesn't apply. I didn't have the symlink, but instead did 'alias /paddy/ "/home/paddy/web/"', at which point the accesses were in my <directory>. apologies for the misinformation about symlinks.
15:47<PhatJ>can i install jabberd2-mysql from experimental into an etch installation ?
15:47<cwood>padski: the information helps me to stay away from symlinks, probably very healthy. ;)
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15:47<dondelelcaro>PhatJ: generally not
15:47<PhatJ>my difficulty now is getting linux-vserver to install debian experimental
15:47<dondelelcaro>PhatJ: just add a deb-src from experimental and backport it
15:48<alaya>PhatJ: experimental and etch are too far apart in terms of libs, etc
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15:48<alaya>PhatJ: but you could try making a simple backport
15:48<padski>cwood, I am surprised it works that way, but I don't look at this very much :-)
15:48<PhatJ>i have no clue how to backport
15:48*PhatJ googles
15:49<alaya>!tell PhatJ about simple sid backport
15:49<padski>on etch my belkin f8t012 causes a "new full speed USB device ... address 4" but nothing ever turns up on address 4
15:49<PhatJ>hopefully somone has already backported this
15:49*PhatJ adds backports
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15:50<alaya>backporting if fun :-)
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15:53<amphi>google: ECHAN
15:53<padski>!ops google is spam
15:53<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: padski complains about: google is spam
15:53<weasel>amphi: stop whining
15:54<amphi>weasel: eh?
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15:54<weasel>that doesn't look like "spam", really.
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15:55<PhatJ>ugh - jabberd2-mysql has not been backported :(
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15:56<padski>weasel, which ezyrewards advert didn't look like spam to you ?
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15:57<Mrkva>i can't understand these ubuntu 1337 & c001 folks :)))
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15:59<PhatJ>unable to find a source package
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16:00<Nibbler>i had a "powerfailiure" while havig an mandatory fsck during boot, now if i mount the disk df states it has 11GB data on it, du says it has 8k - and i cant see any files but what is supposed to be in /boot
16:00<Nibbler>* any files that are not links in / - any suggestions? fsck -f didnt help - no errors it claims
16:01<Supaplex>backups? testdisk?
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16:02<Nibbler>no backup, no too important data thou, lets see what testdisk is
16:02<weasel>anything in /lost+found?
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16:07<Supaplex>Nibbler: man mkfs.ext3, see the -S switch.
16:07<PhatJ>what do i do if there is no source package?
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16:08<padski>so if I blacklist pegasus, it is happier.
16:08<Nibbler>ahhh Supaplex sounds good
16:08<Nibbler>last-chance-good :D
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16:09<Supaplex>Nibbler: good luck :) you'll need it!
16:10<Supaplex>and copy anything you have on there you want, off now :)
16:11<Nibbler>noting left - if i cant get a running system back (its / partition) then i'll have to reinstall
16:12<PhatJ>i see a sarge backport for jabberd2-mysql
16:12<PhatJ>ugh - i picked the wrong week to stop sniffling glue
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16:13<Supaplex>PhatJ hahaha :)
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16:18<Supaplex>dpkg: qotd211 is <PhatJ> ugh - i picked the wrong week to stop sniffling glue
16:18<dpkg>okay, Supaplex
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16:20<balzac5000>I'm upgrading from sarge to etch and everything has gone very smoothly - except my ability to boot into a udev-enabled linux-image kernel. When I try to boot into linux-image-2.6.18-6-6868-bigmem the machine freezes and displays this kernel panic:
16:21<balzac5000>Booting into 2.6.8-4 works fine. I've tried booting into rescue mode from a Deb 4 disk and reinstalling the 2.6.18-6 kernel and udev, but I get the same results. This is on an Intel D945GNT mobo. Anyone have any clues?
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16:22<usuario>hi people
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16:22<Mrkva>balzac5000, there must by some error message before this.. seems like kernel oops or so
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16:23<balzac5000>Mrkva: thanks for the response! Just before this screen there's a message about populating dev and then something about apgpart - but it flies by too fast for me to make it out
16:23<themill>Shift+PgUp to see more?
16:24<balzac5000>themill: didn't know about that magic.
16:24<Mrkva>themill, you can't use shift-pgup when kernel panics :)
16:24<Mrkva>or you can? :)
16:24<Mrkva>sorry, i'm not sure
16:24<themill>Not sure... it's been too long since I had a kernel panic :)
16:25<balzac5000>Unfortunately this is on a production machine so I'll need to kick off some users to get this to happen again
16:25<balzac5000>Other than setting up a serial console is there a way to record the output?
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16:26<Mrkva>balzac5000, videocamera? :)
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16:27<balzac5000>Mrkva: as you can see I've already resorted to stills. =8^)
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16:30<Supaplex>balzac5000: there's a reallllllllllyyy old floppy disk patch that'll spit the oops/backtrace to disk (or maybe it was a coredump, when it would fit on a floppy).
16:30<Supaplex>I doubt it applies on any 2.6 kernel anyway
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16:31<balzac5000>Supaplex: no kidding. What a good idea. I'm scouring Google now on any other diagnosis techniques. What's weird is that a boot with 2.6.8-4 works fine...
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16:33<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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16:34<Mrkva>balzac5000, have you tried kernel without bigmem support?
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16:35<balzac5000>Mrkva: Yeah, briefly. I got paging errors there and since this machine has 4 GB of memory I figured I better stick with the bigmem kernels...
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16:35<dondelelcaro>balzac5000: why are you using the bigmem kernel?
16:35<dondelelcaro>balzac5000: you also might need to acpi=off pci=noacpi or similar
16:36<Mrkva>balzac5000, if try kernel without bigmem support, it also panics?
16:36<balzac5000>dondelelcaro: Good thought and sorry I didn't mention it - I tried "noapic nosmp nolapic" but no real diference
16:36<dondelelcaro>balzac5000: those are quite a bit different than the two I gave
16:37<balzac5000>dondelecaro: true - I'll definitely try them then!
16:37<dondelelcaro>balzac5000: but also, why are you using the bigmem kernel?
16:37<balzac5000>Because I have 4 gigs of RAM?
16:37<dondelelcaro>balzac5000: then you just want the normal -686 kernel
16:37<dondelelcaro>bigmem is for 4-64G of ram
16:38<balzac5000>Mrkva: I think the non-bigmem kernels would either spontaneously reboot or loop
16:38<balzac5000>dondelecaro: really.
16:38<dondelelcaro>(it's not worth the overhead unless you have >> 4G of ram)
16:38<balzac5000>Man I got so slack depending on Sarge that I haven't kept up with the news
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16:39<dondelelcaro>balzac5000: but yeah, based on what you're seeing, it's almost certainly some kind of acpi problem
16:39<balzac5000>Okay, well - I've got some things to try then: passing acpi=off pci=noacpi, non-bigmem kernel, recording the entire boot by video and extracting the screen before the panic
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16:40<balzac5000>Well, I thought that as well and it was suggested to me when I first had that problem.
16:40<balzac5000>How can I tell what the correct syntax is? I'm booting with grub
16:41<dondelelcaro>balzac5000: just append it to the kernel boot line when you start grub up
16:41<dondelelcaro>balzac5000: since you don't know if it works yet, best to not edit the config file
16:41<balzac5000>I'm with you.
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16:42<balzac5000>I'm going to grab a camera and see if I can catch the screen before the panic - I appreciate the help, folks!
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16:55<balzac5000>dondelecaro: Okay - I passed "acpi=off" to the bigmem kernel and the machine spontaneously rebooted after Init loaded
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16:55<balzac5000>dondelecaro: I passed "pci=noacpi" to it and it froze at a screen I'm about to post
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16:58<balzac5000>dondelecaro: here's a video of the kernel booting with "acpi=off"
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16:59<Nibbler>okay... finaly i back down.....
17:00<Nibbler>will reinstall it tomorrow....
17:00<Nibbler>thanks for your help! :)
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17:02<balzac5000>Mrkva: here's the screen RIGHT before the kernel panic
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17:11<cam>hi there
17:12<cam>I just got sidux up and running
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17:12<cam>had a little hiccup figuring out the nvidia driver install
17:13<dpkg>[sidux] <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>).
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17:14<cam>smxi from root fixed it.. I switched to nvidia drivers from x window, and the x window quit working!
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17:15<cam>good script, that smxi!
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17:16<cam>anybody here trying sidux?
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17:18<themill>cam: sidux is not supported here. Please ask in #sidux.
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17:22<cam>sorry, I've never used this before....
17:22<basso>hey hey :D
17:22<basso>ehh i got a big boomer here...
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17:22<basso>i deleted my "taskbar" in kde4.. how do i add anotherone?..
17:23<poz>non parlo inglese
17:23<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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17:23<poz>grazie mille
17:23<themill>basso: #debian-kde will have more of an idea that us.
17:23<themill>poz: prego
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17:31<Supaplex>PhatJ: just for you :)
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17:32<themill>dpkg: qotd211 is also <Supaplex> PhatJ: just for you :)
17:32<dpkg>okay, themill
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17:36<Supaplex>themill: hehe
17:38<Supaplex>I was looking up epoxy because the plastic armrest on my chair snapped, and I knew hot glue just wouldn't last but maybe a day or two (it's under tension when I lean back)
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17:43<clondike>hey guys i was wondering what a good program to rip cds in flac would be?
17:46<cwood>I use ripperX to rip them to wav, then convert at will. But then I'm lazy.
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17:47<balzac5000>Gang, any clues why my etch install is barfing on agpgart? This is the screen I get just before a kernel panic or reboot: I'm trying to boot the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel - 2.6.8-4 works fine.
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17:52<alaya>balzac5000: are there any bios settings you can play with, e.g. disabling agp ?
17:53<balzac5000>alaya: I hunted around with no success for a way to disable ACPI with no luck - yours is an interesting suggestion. If I do that will I need to install a PCI video card?
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17:56<balzac5000>alaya: interestingly, there are several settings here for "Primary Video Adaptor" Auto, Int Graphics (IGD), Ext PCIE Graphics (PEG), and Ext PCI Graphics
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17:56<themill>balzac5000: is this a laptop?
17:57<balzac5000>themill - nope it's an Intel D945GNT mobo, with a PCI IDE card and SCSI card in it - nothing special
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17:58<alaya>balzac5000: i think there's a noacpi installer boot option. doesn't the F3 info screen list it?
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17:58<themill>Perhaps try an even newer kernel to see if it's something that's been fixed up. There are 2.6.24 debian images around. /msg dpkg kmuto or /msg dpkg etchnhalf
17:58<balzac5000>alaya: ALSO a good thought. Unfortunately this is a sarge -> etch upgrade. Everything works EXCEPT booting into this kernel...
17:58<alaya>945 is a pretty standard agp bus so shouldn't have any particular problems
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17:59<balzac5000>themill: man you're on it! Alas, I've already tried the 2.6.22 kernel from Debian backports - no joy. I appreciate all the help and suggestions though!
17:59<alaya>balzac5000: so this is the very latest etch 2.6 kernel? is there a newer one?
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17:59<balzac5000>I've tried the latest backports kernel
18:00<balzac5000>What's so odd is that the machine will boot 2.6.8-4 just fine
18:00<balzac5000>alaya: same situation
18:00<themill>balzac5000: ever tried a livecd in it? Knoppix for example, has an uncanny ability to get machines to boot...
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18:01<balzac5000>themill: yeah, runs liveCD's and the 2.6.8-4 kernel just fine...
18:01<alaya>balzac5000: that's odd. something's not right. maybe google around or check to see if there's something
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18:01<balzac5000>I think I'm on to something here:
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18:02<balzac5000>Although I don't see the "PCI: Cannot allocate resource region" errors.
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18:05<huhlig>is it possible to software suspend without a swap partition
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18:07<balzac5000>Far out! I have an AGP card installed in this machine (or possible PCI-E? I forget and it's in a rack) I told BIOS to use the integrated video and PRESTO: Boot city!
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18:08<themill>balzac5000: :) I had assumed that you were on a desktop or something since it evidently had some fancy graphics in it....
18:09<themill>huhlig: some recent versions can suspend to a swapfile. I think tuxonice can do that. I'm not sure about the current in-kernel methods though.
18:09<balzac5000>themill: well, this is a mail server so B&W via SSH suits me FINE. MANY thanks for your help!
18:09<balzac5000>alaya: you too - I appreciate it folks!
18:10<huhlig>hmm ok
18:10<themill>balzac5000: no worries. Best of luck!
18:10<huhlig>do you really need do you really need 2x physical ram
18:10<huhlig>4GB is alot
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18:11<themill>huhlig: depends on what you're going to do with it. My laptop has 2GB RAM and rarely touches swap unless I've got a couple of virtual machines running at once plus some video transcoding etc.
18:11<huhlig>themill: I meant for the hiber file
18:12<themill>huhlig: Ahh... the in-kernel method can't make an image that's more than 50% of RAM.
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18:12<themill>But really, if you've got 4GB of RAM, you can't really tell me you're short on disk space...!
18:12<huhlig>themill eeepc
18:13<huhlig>I have 2 8GB drives
18:13<themill>ahh ok then...
18:13<huhlig>2 GB memory
18:13<dpkg>, or, or #debian-eeepc @
18:13<huhlig>and the thing says you need a hiber partitio twice the size
18:13<huhlig>yes I know
18:13<themill>huhlig: ^^ the specialists might be able to help more than we can
18:13<huhlig>I have been installing as we speak
18:13<huhlig>the "specialists" are silent
18:14<themill>huhlig: It will be timezone dependent.
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18:51<artista_frustrado>I have configured a debian server to authenticate on a win2k3 server using pam_ldap
18:52<artista_frustrado>but it takes too long to authenticate and simle tasks like listing a directory takes a real long time
18:52<artista_frustrado>does anyone has any idea of what may be happening ?
18:54<cwood>slow network? What do the win2k3 server logs say? Is authentication against another Debian server quicker?
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19:14<artista_frustrado>cwood, isn't nscd suposed to cache the queries ??
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19:15<cwood>I have no idea, never used ldap auth.
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19:17<artista_frustrado>cwood, I've being using it for about 1 1\2 years.. but in this particular case it is really slow
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19:18<cwood>artista: Sounds like you should ask in #windows-ldap or something, since that's the server in question.
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19:22<kurumin>alguem pode me dar uma ajuda em portugues?
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19:23<artista_frustrado>kurumin, qual e o problema ?
19:23<dpkg>portuguese is, like, the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues.
19:23<kurumin>la no debian-br...tem dias que to tentando ajuda..mas ninguem nem seguer diz um "ola"
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19:35<Infinito>kurumin, tente o #debian-br na freenode, lá é mais cheio
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19:36<kurumin>ok obrigado infinito
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19:36<Infinito>não muito experiente em debian por isso nao acho q poderei ajudar... ok, agora chega de portugues aqui :p
19:36<Infinito>enough with the portuguese
19:37<kurumin>ok tanks
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19:37<kurumin>i neek lock my ap...conection wifi
19:37<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
19:40<kurumin>Which freenode?
19:40<cwood>no, here
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19:41<lupine>if top is reporting that my Xorg process is using 1GB RAM, and VIRT as 3086m. should I be worried?
19:41<lupine>(I have 2GB of RAM in here)
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19:43<Infinito>it's another network
19:43<kurumin>ok tank s
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19:44<Infinito>he said he was having a hard time getting help here, so I told him to try also #debian-br on freenode...
19:44<Infinito>here = oftc
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19:46<azeem>language-specific chans have an order of magnitude fewer users, so it's possible that nobody will react for a couple of minutes
19:46<Infinito>yeah, indeed
19:46<azeem>it's not easy to communicate this to users though, even more so if there's a language barrier
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19:56<LineOf7s>Good day. Having a minor problem on a debian server. Someone "fixed" something to do with the mail log rotation and now it looks like this:
19:56<LineOf7s>I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction as to how to go about dealing with this?
19:57<cwood>LineOf7s: look into the logrotate configuration.
19:58<LineOf7s>Something to do with the naming of the rotated files, I'm guessing? And (perhaps) the frequency of rotation (given the many many zero-byte files)?
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20:00<LineOf7s>Am I able to rename the files in question back to something sensible in order to test whether the settings I change make a difference? Will it just start renaming based on the filenames that are there when the logs are rotated? Or is there some 'higher power' that determines what the rotated files get called?
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20:01<cwood>LineOf7s: Perhaps you could switch log rotation to every minute to test, or try your configs on a test server first.
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20:02<LineOf7s>Ta. I'll concentrate my efforts on that.
20:06<Villarroel>What's the deal with cdrtools?
20:06<matthewpoer>!info cdrtools
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20:08<matthewpoer>Nothing, apparently.
20:09<matthewpoer>But I think I remember something about copyrights or proprietary stuff in the package
20:11<matthewpoer>"cdrkit: Debian's fork of cdrtools"
20:11<matthewpoer>!info cdrkit
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20:17<panagos>pretty off-topic, but does anyone know of any good mathematics irc discussions channel?
20:19<Supaplex>22:06 [freenode] -!- Topic for #math: Don't ask to ask, just ask. | All aspects of mathematics (not software) | | LaTeX paste: | Using mbot: | Math Encyclopedia: | Off-topic? #not-math (this is not a joke)
20:21<cwood>Now here's a question. When an application (Perl, Ruby, whatever) uses exec(), what gets passed includes any ./script stuff... and then exec fails because of the ./ since it tries to exec "./script" as the name of the file - which I hadn't encountered before. How do you lot avoid that?
20:22<Supaplex>chmod +x ./script ?
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20:23<cwood>It is +x.
20:23<tin>why did the wpa option in the debian wifi manager disapear with lenny?
20:23<tin>time for kde :(
20:23<cwood>Try it in Perl, one line after the #!/usr/bin/perl: exec $0
20:23<tin>gnome did not like the transition to lenny
20:23<cwood>and then chmod +x and run it with ./script
20:24<Supaplex>I don't want to run a fork bomb :)
20:24<cwood>Maybe I'm only having trouble with the multi-argument form, hm.
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20:34<panagos>Supaplex: thanks!
20:35<cwood>Hm. Seems the way I'm doing it, this is getting passed to the command shell, given how it's in quotes.
20:36<xtkxhom3r>anyone here
20:38<Supaplex>xtkxhom3r: is that a trick question?
20:38<phillipsjk>No, just us bots.
20:39<cwood>Okay, it was officially me being dumb. I use chdir, but not chdir $olddir.
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20:52<twb>Is there any way to dump a sourceforge mailing list into (say) an mbox archive?
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20:54<dondelelcaro>twb: they should offer it for download
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20:56<twb>Do you mean that "they should, but don't" or "they do, and twb isn't looking hard enough"?
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20:58<dondelelcaro>twb: I can't tell you which, but that's the only way to generate the mbox
20:58<dondelelcaro>(unless you're subscribed0
20:58<SigmaX>Does someone have an idea of where I could find a PPC Debian 3.1 ISO? It seems to be the only disk that will book on my iMac for some reason.
20:58<dondelelcaro>twb: gmane may also have them available
20:59<dondelelcaro>SigmaX: should have them
21:00<twb>gmane is my fallback
21:00<twb>It's just easier to grep an mbox :-)
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21:02<SigmaX>dondelcaro: All I can find there is 4.0r3. I haven't seen an "archives" directory -- though I found quite a few old Ubuntu ISO's :-S.
21:03<SigmaX>Aha, found them.
21:04<twb>dondelelcaro: I found the information I wanted from sf elsewhere. Thanks for your help anyway.
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21:04<twb>(AFAIK, don't provide a download link, because they are assholes.)
21:05<cwood>Which mail list are you looking for? there may be scrapeable archives elsewhere.
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21:05<twb>cwood: the docutils-user mailing list
21:05<twb>cwood: as it happens $coworker was subscribed and could point me to the thread in question on gmane
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21:06<cwood>Oh, nifty.
21:06<twb>Specifically, I wanted the "multiple standalone rst files with links between them" thread
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21:19<phillipsjk>Welcome to #debian IRC chat!
21:20<phillipsjk>if you have a question, just ask ;)
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21:21<evand>I'm in the process of reinstalling, and my backspace key doesn't work in X. Suggestions?
21:21<evand>(It worked before (tm))
21:21<cwood>Does it work in a plain console, eg with X not started?
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21:22<evand>actually... nm, it's not X, it's the xterm
21:23*evand hasn't installed much yet :)
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21:24<evand>xfce's xterm "autodetect" mode for backspace seems to be less than perfect
21:26<phillipsjk>did you choose a different keymap?
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21:27<evand>just your basic pc104 US variant
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21:52<cwood>Now here's another question. Why would the same file be louder in mplayer than audacious?
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21:58<Supaplex>audacious is DEF? ;)
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22:19<cwood>No, it's just quieter when I play the same mp3 file... and I can't find anything in either app's preferences or plugins to indicate why.
22:20<twb>Is one addressing via OSS and the other via ALSA?
22:20<twb>Here, audacious cares about the volume of the PCM channel, but mplayer doesn't.
22:20<cusco>probably audacious does "sound normalization"
22:20<twb>(They both care about the Master channel)
22:21<cusco>so or that
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22:23<cwood>Hm. So now I'll find out if I can turn it off in Audacious, heh.
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22:28<cwood>Aha! For future reference, it's in the Replay Gain tab, uncheck that box.
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22:32<twb>Why isn't this working?
22:32<twb>grep-dctrl -sPackage -FBuild-Depends python-central.*cdbs /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources
22:35<Supaplex>apt-file search bin/grep-dctrl | wc -l == 0? what's grep-dctrl?
22:37<Supaplex>oh, this box is etch. :)
22:39<twb>Supaplex: it's something that knows how to search RFC2822-style databases by field
22:40<twb>I'm trying to find packages that build-depend on both cdbs and python-central
22:41<cwood>Is there such a thing as a build-rdepends? You could grab those and uniq -d the lists.
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22:48<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
22:49<twb>- Gmail. This one’s easy. Google provides free POP access so that anyone can fetch their email out of Gmail.
22:49<twb>...FWIW, AFAICT that only applies to the inbox, not archived email.
22:49<twb>Of course, you can pull it via IMAP instead.
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22:50<twb>Oops, wrongchannel.
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22:57<javo>hi, anyone uses quanta plus? I do not know how to configure the "archives tree view" to show me an ftp connection
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23:04<chealer>javo: yes
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23:05<javo>chealer: dou you know how can i see a ftp connection in the "Archives" column ? like dreamweaver i.e. ?
23:06<javo>what should i do ?
23:06<chealer>javo: don't ask me, ask #debian-kde, or even #kde
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23:06<javo>chealer: thanks!
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23:10<kop>What's the right way to hook into mount based on uuid? I'm thinking of using unison to sync filesystems on removable media.
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23:11<kop>I want unison to run automagically whenever I mount fss with particular uuids. That's the thought anyhow.
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