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---Logopened Wed Apr 16 00:00:48 2008
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00:24<mysupper_>hello
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00:27<janrocks>hello mysupper
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00:40<evand>I can't find the cs46xx module (sound card Cirrus Logic 4614 etc). Sound worked fine before my disk died and I reinstalled, and my recollection was that all I did to get it working on stock Debian kernels was that one modprobe.
00:40<evand>Where would I find that module? Has it been removed for some reason?
00:40<cwood>try looking through /lib/modules/`uname -r`
00:41<cwood>It might have been renamed if you jumped kernel versions, as a possibility.
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00:41<alaya> find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name cs46x*
00:42<alaya>find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name *cs46\*
00:42<evand>yeah, there's no cs46* modules
00:43<cwood>Or you can search for the file name or portions thereof on packages.debian.org perhaps.
00:43<alaya>there is
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00:45<evand>alaya: there is what? such a module? Not on my system, according to find, nor on packages.debian.org
00:45<alaya>you want the alsa one not the old oss one
00:45<evand>yes, that's my recollection
00:46<evand>but that doesn't tell me how to find it :)
00:46<alaya>did you build your own kernel?
00:46<evand>nope
00:46<alaya>its there
00:47<evand>not according to the find command you gave...
00:48<alaya>the second one
00:48<janrocks>first one gives
00:48<janrocks>/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/kernel/sound/pci/cs46xx
00:49<evand>alaya: nor that one
00:49<alaya>something is wrong then
00:49<alaya>maybe reinstall the kernel
00:50<evand>janrocks: 2.6.24-1-686 here, and that file isn't there...
00:50<janrocks>hmmm..
00:50<evand>just uninstall reinstall? is that likely to change anything?
00:50<alaya>man apt-get
00:51<cwood>Don't uninstall your kernel, heh.
00:51<evand>well, yeah, I'm asking whether it's likely to do anything, not how to do it without destroying the system :)
00:51<chealer>evand: it has removed.
00:52<evand>chealer: ahh, thanks. So what's the replacement?
00:52<kop>evand: What kernel are you running?
00:52<evand>kop: 2.6.24-1-686
00:53<chealer>evand: none, but you can get it back by building ALSA LKMs from alsa-source IIRC.
00:53<chealer>evand: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20071205T003048Z.html
00:53<evand>chealer: ick :/
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00:55<evand>maybe I'll just go back to the older kernel, sounds like it has it.
00:55<evand>sigh...
00:55<kop>chealer: Does that sort of stuff move into non-free?
00:55<alaya>wow, because of binary fw?
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00:56<kop>alaya : IMO if you gotta put binary blobs in the source code to make it work, it ain't free software.
00:56<evand>So, on a highly related note, does anyone have a cheap but good, properly supported sound card with optical s/pdif outputs to recommend?
00:57<alaya>evand: you could also install kernel-package and linux-source and build your own, copy the .config from /boot
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00:57<chealer>alaya: yes
00:57<alaya>evand: i had a $5 zoltrix once that had optical IO
00:57<chealer>kop: not necessarily, but it could
00:58<evand>alaya: yeah, I've gone down that road for other reasons in the past, and I'm not feeling that energetic tonight. Recovering from a dead disk is enough of a pain without a complete lack of music to do it by :/
00:58<evand>alaya: any hints on a model number to look for?
00:58<alaya>evand: you know, maybe ask on the lad channel for card recommendations. i can't recommend any specific model
00:59<alaya>i think #lad is on freenode irc
00:59<kop>evand : Once you've a clue what to look for you could try grepping the linux kernel Documentation directory for zoltrix and see what the driver maintainters recommend.
00:59<evand>ok, thanks
00:59<evand>I'll make a note to do that at some point
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01:00*alaya still hates dealing with anything sound related on linux
01:01<evand>in the mean time, Best Buy is closed, so I think it's time to switch back to 2.6.18 :)
01:01<janrocks>evand : http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2008/04/msg00136.html
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01:02<kop>Was there a get-rid-of-binary-blobs decision for Debian? Was the decision or the policy put off until after the etch release? I seem to be out of touch.
01:02<janrocks>It seems to have ben a policy for a while
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01:03<kop>Good. data == code
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01:04<evand>Yeah, I completely agree with the decision. I got the card from a friend and never paid much attention to it, though, until it stopped working...
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01:05<chealer>kop: Debian kernels never had binary blobs
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01:05<gsimmons>!tell evand -about alsa firmware
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01:06*kop Wonders what blobs he's thinking of
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01:07<kop>chealer: Then how did the cs64 wind up in the kernel in the first place?
01:07<mysupper>hello
01:08<chealer>kop: cs46xx is "contrib" (due to dependency on non-free firmware)
01:08<kop>mysupper: Hello. You have a question?
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01:09<mysupper>not that much,,but just waiting for Gekz to ask about the question I did yesterday.
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01:12<mysupper>my network is not working good..:(
01:12<twb>Am I correct in thinking that incoming is not apt-gettable?
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01:15<twb>Rather: "is incoming apt-gettable?"
01:15<evand>back to 2.6.18 and all is working... thanks everyone :)
01:17<chealer>twb: no
01:17<twb>Thank you.
01:17<twb>I did what I needed with dget
01:18<twb>(Why mercurial 1.0 has been stuck in incoming for nearly ten hours, I don't know)
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01:18<jm_>twb: I checked that selinux thing - I think that's kernel reporting it (there's a mount call to selinuxfs)
01:19<twb>Yeah
01:19<twb>I figured that
01:19<twb>I guess I have to roll my own kernel to avoid it, since selinux=no and similar didn't work (in the boot parameters)
01:22<jm_>I use my own kernel and it also tries to do that crap ;)
01:23<twb>I meant also removing those build options
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01:26<jm_>yeah I don't have it specified
01:26<blue_>hello.is e17 in sid?
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01:28<twb>blue_: no.
01:28<twb>blue_: I believe the e17 people roll their own .debs
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01:29<blue_>twb: i see thanks
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01:31<agnur>hello!
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01:37<mysupper>hello
01:40<Supaplex>hi
01:40<twb>Yes, yes, get to the point.
01:40<Supaplex>the bane of our existance
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01:55<phillipsjk>I scared one away this afternoon/evening :)
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02:01<KaptinKurk>twb: heh
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02:07<mysupper>À½
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02:23<razzo>hello
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03:13<nandos85>Hey all. I set up NIC bond on eth0 and eth1 and it working well. But when I restart my server I get kernel message “bond0 : duplicate address is detected” . is it ok?
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03:14<nandos85>ifconfig tell me that i have the same mac address at bond0 eth1 eth0. it need to be like that?
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03:17<chealer>nandos85: a bridge?
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03:21<nandos85>what brigde?
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03:21<nandos85>i set NIC bonding
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03:37<morgan`>hello
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03:50<`Rick|DetoxServers[Owner]OUT>Hello, I'm looking for some help with Debian on a Powerbook G4
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03:52<`Rick|DetoxServers[Owner]OUT>I need some help getting wireless working on my PowerBook G4 using Debian 2.6.18
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04:23<mysupper>!howto
04:23<dpkg>i heard howto is at http://tldp.org/docs.html#howto, or in package doc-linux-text, files end up in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/ (as .gz files, use 'zless filename.gz' to read them). This is where you _learn_ stuff, or http://howto.tucows.com/ Also http://www.linuxdoc.com/
04:23<mysupper>!dpkg
04:23<dpkg>it has been said that dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>..
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04:24<jm_>!tell mysupper -about msg
04:24<mysupper>ok jm_ ^^
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04:24<mysupper>I thought everybody is sleeping. :)
04:25<alphad>hi
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04:37<chandu>Hi
04:38<chandu>I have a linux client and windows server
04:38<db>hello
04:38<db>chandu: what's up?
04:38<chandu>How do I check the transmission speed between client and server ..[ i.e whether it is taking 10 MBps, 100 MBPS, 1G]
04:38<jm_>chandu: man ethtool
04:39<chandu>jm_, ok
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04:41<chandu>jm_, What does this mean in the outpu tof ethtool
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04:41<chandu>jm_, 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
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04:42<chandu>jm_, 1000baseT/Full
04:42<jm_>chandu: check the "Speed:" line
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04:42<jm_>chandu: it means 100Mbps half-duplex and full-duplex, and 1000Mbps full-duplex
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04:43<chandu>jm_, ok
04:44<chandu>jm_, When the speed is set to 100MBPS , the transfer of 2G file from client to server is stopping after some 200MB or 400 MB
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04:44<chandu>jm_, but when I set the speed to 1000MBps /1 G the 2G file is transferring successfully
04:44<chandu>jm_, why is that so
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04:48<jm_>chandu: might be they don't agree on link speed
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04:51<chandu>jm_, But the supported link modes show - 10, 100 & 1000 Mbps
04:51<JustSoul>morning
04:51<chandu>jm_, But it works only on 1000 Mpbs ..why?
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04:54<JustSoul>How to check PC-info? like memory-information (bank-slots,timings), freq(cpu,pci,agp), ratios, etc..
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04:58<chealer>JustSoul: which X session type do you use?
04:59<JustSoul>kde
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05:00<chealer>JustSoul: did you check KInfoCenter?
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05:00<JustSoul>chealer: yes
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05:01<JustSoul>!hal
05:01<dpkg>rumour has it, hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes.
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05:02<chealer>JustSoul: well...I guess you get at least CPU freq there :/
05:03<JustSoul>ye
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05:04<JustSoul>but, I want to know what memory remote PC have. how many banks(slots), what speed...
05:05<jm_>chealer: supported are what card supports, advertised is what is really supported by uplink
05:05<jm_>JustSoul: dmidecode
05:06<chealer>JustSoul: oh, you mean you don't have KDE on that machine?
05:06<chealer>chandu: ^^for you
05:07<JustSoul>chealer: have
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05:13<JustSoul>#dmidecode -t memory show: 'Invalid entry length (2). DMI table is broken! Stop.' =((((
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05:14<JustSoul>on other PC it's show lot of info
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05:15<JustSoul>I hate that PC, problem w/sound,usb,DMI,smth else... :'(
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05:16<jm_>JustSoul: nice :)
05:17<jm_>I just sent an order for new PC
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05:18<JustSoul>jm_: but it have 2 Intel 866 CPU and 256*4 DIMM :)))
05:18<JustSoul>*CPUs
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05:19<jm_>JustSoul: never heard of 866 CPU
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05:20<JustSoul>Intel Pentium III 866 (Signature: Type 0, Family 6, Model 8, Stepping 6)
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05:20<jm_>ahh P3
05:20<JustSoul>=)
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05:20<jm_>I use P3 533 for firewall
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05:24<themill>jm_: I use that for a mail/dns/www server...
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05:26<homepagemilliondollar>homepage million dollar va all'asta LINK EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120246103534 (messengerpiu lo aveva annunciato) AUCTION HOME PAGE THE HISTORY
05:26<homepagemilliondollar>homepage million dollar va all'asta LINK EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120246103534 (messengerpiu lo aveva annunciato) AUCTION HOME PAGE THE HISTORY
05:26<homepagemilliondollar>homepage million dollar va all'asta LINK EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120246103534 (messengerpiu lo aveva annunciato) AUCTION HOME PAGE THE HISTORY
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05:26<homepagemilliondollar>homepage million dollar va all'asta LINK EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120246103534 (messengerpiu lo aveva annunciato) AUCTION HOME PAGE THE HISTORY
05:26<homepagemilliondollar>homepage million dollar va all'asta LINK EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120246103534 (messengerpiu lo aveva annunciato) AUCTION HOME PAGE THE HISTORY
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05:27<SlayerXP>whiskey tango foxtrot
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05:28<sylock>hello
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05:29<sylock>I want to install nvidia drivers so I need to shutdown the X server. I read that I need to make an init 3 command but it doesn't work. Someone have an idea ?
05:29<jm_>sylock: I have many ideas
05:29<JustSoul>sylock: What ?dm you are using?
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05:31<JustSoul>sylock: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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05:32<JustSoul>or rebooot in single mode
05:32<JustSoul>and there is no X
05:32<sylock>gnome
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05:33<sylock>ah single mode mean in init 3 mode ?
05:33<JustSoul>no
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05:34<chealer>sylock: you must be reading the wrong document
05:34<sylock>It use gdm
05:34<JustSoul>sylock: "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" will stop X
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05:36<sylock>thank you a lot. Whe did I found a lot of guys on the net saying that I have to type init 3 or telinit3 ?
05:36<sylock>it works with others distributions ?
05:36<sylock>why*
05:36<JustSoul>sylock: eem, in mandrake - no
05:36<JustSoul>or..
05:37<chealer>sylock: unless they thought you used another distro, the guys are ignorant
05:38<sylock>ok :)
05:38<sylock>thks again. I'm trying this. c u later ;)
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05:46<nandos85>Hey all. I set up NIC bond on eth0 and eth1 and it working well. But when I restart my server I get kernel message “bond0 : duplicate address is detected” . is it ok?
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05:52<Yappy>I have a debian 860 that I'm trying to pxe boot. When I install from an etch cd it picks the disk up, when I try with the initrd.gz and linux files from installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ it doesn't. Can the ones from the iso be extracted and used? Or is that a really bad idea?
05:53<jm_>I didn't know Debian released hardware too :)
05:53<Yappy>Gah, brain freeze - Dell
05:53<Yappy>Been looking at the Debian installer too long :)
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05:54<jm_>you mean it doesn't detect the disk?
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05:54<Yappy>Looks like it, when I install from a CD it picks it up as a SCSI1 (1,0,0) sda Dell VIRTUAL DISK
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05:54<jm_>did you find out which driver handles that?
05:55<Yappy>Would that be indicated by the mpt modules that show up under lsmod?
05:56<jm_>yeah list of modules will reveal it, as well as poking arround in /sys
05:56<Yappy>Any pointers to what to look for in system? lsmod is showing a lot of disk related stuff
05:56<jm_>or maybe just check dmesg output, that should be faster
05:57<Yappy>dmesg shows a 'Fusion MPT base driver 3.04.01'
05:57<jm_>don't have any SCSI systems here, but ls -l /sys/block/sda/device/driver might show it
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05:59<jm_>yeah mpt is a SCSI module
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06:00<jm_>it would be worth checking if both kernels have that available then
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06:00<Yappy>OK, that debugging tip is damn useful by itself
06:00<Yappy>None of the fil;es under the driver directory are readable
06:01<jm_>what does the ls -l say? it should show a symlink
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06:01<Yappy>it's a long pci000 path that leads to host0/taget0 etc. It's got no strings in it
06:02<Yappy>Is it possible to use the etch iso files in a pxe boot and just grab all the same drivers / modules like that?
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06:03<Yappy>A bit heavy handed but it'd mean all the things we can install interactivily would also work from pxeboot
06:03<jm_>yeah but did you check if your netboot also has these fusion drivers?
06:03<Yappy>Not yet, the machines got an 8 minute reboot cycle :)
06:03<jm_>Yappy: don't run "ls -l /sys/block/sda/device/driver/", run "ls -l /sys/block/sda/device/driver"
06:04<Yappy>Ah, symlink to bus/scsi/drivers/sd
06:04<jm_>bummer, I thought it's better for SCSI
06:05<jm_>but perhaps /sys/bus/scsi/drivers/sd/0:0:0:0/vendor will help
06:06<Yappy>Ah sorry, it's in the middle of a reboot so I can check the loaded drivers under pxe.
06:07<jm_>sure
06:07<Yappy>Am i wrong in assuming that the pxe image has all the same drivers and modules as the etch install cd then?
06:07<jm_>I would certainly hope so
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06:08<jm_>(not that you are wrong, but that it has the same drivers)
06:08<Yappy>Always nice to know I'm wrong rather than guessing it ;)
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06:09<jm_>are there kernel config files in the dir you got it from?
06:09<Yappy>Sprry, got what from?
06:09<jm_>netboot images
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06:10<Yappy>No - I pulled them down from a debian mirror a week or two ago - I'll dig out the url in case I've got the wrong ones
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06:11<Yappy>I got them from here - http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/
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06:13<jm_>hmm no config files
06:14<Yappy>I'm barking up the wrong tree - if I pxeboot it stops at the partioning stage but when I drop to the console and fdisk /dev/sda it shows me the underlying partitions so it must be picking them up.
06:15<jm_>yeah also see dmesg output - it shows partitions and /proc/partitions
06:16<Yappy>proc partitions is showing sda{1,2}. So my partitioning part of the pxe install must be wrong. Works for a couple of dozen vms but not for this host. Oh yah.
06:16<Yappy>jm_: thanks for the pointers - the /sys stuff is going in to the tool box now :)
06:18<jm_>Yappy: yeah there's lots of useful in there these days
06:18<jm_>useful info*
06:20<Yappy>Especially at that stage of the install where I don't have a full command set available
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06:34<MartinVW>hi... I want to update the kernel on a Debian machine that hasn't been maintained for a while. The CPU is an Athlon XP 2200+, which is the right kernel (from testing) - linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 or linux-image-2.6.24-1-686? The description of 686 sounds like it only supports Intel CPUs.
06:35<Torsten_W>i686
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06:37<ant_>686 covers all modern 32 bit cpus - there is no longer a difference for intel amd cpus in the stock kernels (there used to be)
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06:42<Smurfie>Good to hear.
06:46<MartinVW>ant_: ok, thanks
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07:29<nandos85>Hey all. I set up NIC bond on eth0 and eth1 and it working well. But when I restart my server I get kernel message “bond0 : duplicate address is detected” . is it ok?
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07:32<sylock>hello
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07:32<sylock>someone know how to install nvidia driver on lenny ? after a search, I found that the apt-get method don't work with lenny (nvidia-kernel-source is missing in servers)
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07:34<kuwait>hello Bots
07:34<salvin>sylock, you can use the sid package with the apt-pinning
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07:35<numayeah>apt-get install money
07:35<joel__>lol
07:35<joel__>if it were only that easy
07:36<sylock>what's apt-pinning ?
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07:36<sylock>I never heard about that
07:36<kmap>!tell sylock about pinning
07:37<joel__>i couldnt help, i'm a noob from slackware this debian thing is strange, i broke gnome lol....and in a big way, none of the shortcuts work anymore, good thing i'm a wmaker fan anyway
07:37<salvin>sylock, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning
07:38<sylock>i'm reading
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07:40<sylock>wouldn't be easier to install from the run file that we can download from nvidia web site ? In this case, how to do ?
07:41<joel__>i downloaded the nvidia run file and it didnt work, forget what the error code is
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07:43<sylock>has nobody installed nvidia driver on lenny ?
07:43<Nemoder>I did with the .run installer but I also built my own custom kernel which made it easier I think
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07:45<sylock>how did you do with the run file plz ?
07:45<sylock>i'll try your way
07:46<Nemoder>you just close X and run the file
07:46<Nemoder>just make sure not to have any nvidia* debian packages installed or they will conflict
07:47<sylock>ah ok
07:47<sylock>and nothing to do with the xorg.conf ?
07:47<Nemoder>their installer can fix your xorg.conf if you tell it to
07:48<sylock>will I need to install glx ? (i don't know the exact name)
07:48<Nemoder>no make sure there is no nvidia-glx package installed
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07:49<sylock>ok, thanks for your help. Il wish It will works ;)
07:50<sylock>I wish*
07:50<Nemoder>if you don't have the headers for your kernel it might fail when building the kernel module
07:51<sylock>I installed that this moorning
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07:52<sylock>I need to close the X server. c u later ;)
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07:52<sas67>hi guys
07:52<sas67>and ladies if any present
07:53<sas67>need some help with vnc
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07:53<sas67>have it running but its not showing the debian desktop
07:54<sas67>like it should
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07:55<sas67>xserver
07:56<Nemoder>what is it showing?
07:56<sas67>blank grey screen
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07:58<Nemoder>what does your ~/.vnc/xstartup file look like?
07:58<theghost>hello
07:58<sas67>hang on m8
07:58<theghost>can anybody help me with wine
07:58<theghost>i have some problems with counter strike
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07:59<Nemoder>theghost: you might try #winehq on irc.freenode.net
07:59<theghost>thanks
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08:01<sas67>cant seem to access xstartup
08:01<sas67>do i need to be sudo?
08:01<sas67>or su
08:02<sas67>noob at this,so bear with me
08:02<Nemoder>only if vncserver is running as root
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08:04<sas67>says its not a dir
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08:11<black_13>how are network devices setup in debian
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08:12<jm_>black_13: man interfaces
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08:14<black_13>hum
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08:14<black_13>the computer im dealing with uses a realtek 8139 device
08:14<black_13>and lsmod shows that the driver is loaded
08:15<jm_>and the problem would be?
08:15<black_13>yet this is no mapped to eth0 for some reason
08:15<jm_>ls /sys/class/net
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08:15<Gekz>whats the correct way to specify a header file when compiling§
08:15<Gekz>?
08:15<jm_>you don't specify header files when compiling
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08:16<Gekz>in this case, I must
08:16<Gekz>its in an abnormal location
08:16<Gekz>otherwise I would not ask
08:16<jm_>you mean where to find one?
08:17<Gekz>...
08:17<Gekz>*sigh*
08:17<Gekz>LDFLAGS or CFLAGS
08:17<Gekz>what is the correct way to tell ./configure where /home/brendan/cross-tools/include/zlib.h is
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08:18<jm_>CFLAGS="-I/home/brendan/cross-tools/include" ./configure
08:18<sylock>re
08:18<black_13>jm_, thats a directory
08:19<jm_>black_13: yes it is, what does ls say?
08:19<Gekz>then why didnt it work jm_ lol
08:19<Gekz>thats what I already had :o
08:19<jm_>Gekz: how does it include it?
08:19<Gekz>nfi.
08:20<jm_>grep zlib.h configure
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08:20<Gekz>oh dear
08:20<Gekz>pebkac.
08:20<Gekz>s/utils/tools lol
08:20<jm_>ROFFLE
08:21<sylock>I have a calibration file (that comes from windows with a Spy2Express colorimeter). So I installed xcalib but it don't load while booting. So I need to type mannualy the command "xcalib file.icm" each time. How can I automate the loading of xcalib ?
08:21<Gekz>I agree.
08:21<jm_>sylock: ow do you get into X?
08:21<jm_>if it's gnome or KDE it has auto-start shit somewhere
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08:21<jm_>otherwise you can do it via ~/.xsession
08:21<sylock>I use gdm with gnome
08:21<jm_>then use gnome's startup stuff
08:22<sylock>is there a gui window ? or a conf file ?
08:22<jm_>yeah try the gnome preferences thing
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08:22<jm_>I never used it, can't help much more than that
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08:27<sylock>I don't find anything about auto start
08:28<sylock>don't you have some more precisions ?
08:28<jm_>sadly not, but you will easily find people running GNOME here, just ask again later
08:28<sylock>I read about modify files in init.d but it seems complicated just to load a simple command
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08:29<sylock>ok jm
08:29<sylock>I will
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08:30<jm_>init.d won't help with that command
08:35<sas67>how do i find a processes id number?
08:35<jm_>with ps
08:35<jm_>or htop - gnome also has a GUI tool for this
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08:45<sylock>when I do an apt-get upgrade, why some package are not upgraded ?
08:45<sylock>may I do something to upgrade them ?
08:45<jm_>!kept back
08:45<dpkg>well, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
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08:52<Cyorxamp>Hey, is /sys like /dev and not work copying when backing up?
08:52<jm_>no to the first question, yes to the second
08:53<Cyorxamp>*worth not work
08:53<Cyorxamp>ok so why is it not worth copying?
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08:54<jm_>it's like /proc
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08:55<Cyorxamp>So when backing up so far I exclude... /sys, /lost+found, /cdrom, /media, /tmp, /dev, /proc, and /mnt -- does this list need modifying in your opinion?
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08:58<jm_>Cyorxamp: do you really want to back up /usr and /var/lib/apt/lists and /var/cache? how about /var/tmp?
08:58<jm_>or /lib? or /sbin and /bin?
08:58<Cyorxamp>yes, its so I can restore the entire system if needed
08:58<Cyorxamp>it'll rsync regularly in a cron job
08:59<Cyorxamp>to a NAS drive
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08:59<jm_>right
08:59<Cyorxamp>so does the plan sound about right? if the HDD fucks itself then I can reinstall etch and dump my backup back over the job
08:59<Cyorxamp>*top
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09:00<jm_>looks OK I suppose
09:00<elirips>hello. I have ttyS0 - ttyS3 and ttySL0, but only one serial-port. dmesg | grep ttyS says serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a NS16550A. So ttyS1 should be the one port that I have?
09:00<Cyorxamp>marvellous
09:00<elirips>and what could ttySL0 be?
09:01<Nemoder>Cyorxamp: you might look into using rsnapshot to do that, very handy front end to rsync
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09:01<Cyorxamp>jm_, if I did have to reinstall etch and dump my backup onto it after... would I need to make sure that the kernel matched between the donor etch and the one I copy?
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09:01<mysupper>How can I enlarge font size in xterm?
09:01<Cyorxamp>or does my backup include the kernel too
09:01<Nemoder>the kernel would be in /boot
09:01<Cyorxamp>Nemoder, I've already got the rsync part figured
09:01<nandos85>Hey all. I set up NIC bond on eth0 and eth1 and it working well. But when I restart my server I get kernel message “bond0 : duplicate address is detected” . is it ok?
09:02<Cyorxamp>ok so it should give me back whatever kernel was in the backup
09:02<Nemoder>only thing you won't have is lilo/grub on the MBR
09:02<Nemoder>but that's easy enough to replace
09:02<Cyorxamp>yeah but theres that grub cd thingy isn't there for resceuing it
09:02<Nemoder>yeah
09:02<Cyorxamp>whats it called again?
09:02<Nemoder>debian rescue CD i think
09:03<jm_>Cyorxamp: probably not
09:03<jm_>mysupper: use menus or via xresources/command line switches
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09:13<Cyorxamp>OK I'm using this command to test it works...
09:13<Cyorxamp>rsync -ave --delete --exclude "sys/" --exclude "lost+found/" --exclude "cdrom/" --exclude "media/" --exclude "tmp/" --exclude "dev/" --exclude "proc/" --exclude "mnt/" /fakeroot/ /mooroot/
09:13<Cyorxamp>The --delete doesn't seem to work, if I delete something in fakeroot and re-run the script, it doesn't get deleted in mooroot
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09:14<server>bonjour
09:14<Cyorxamp>The excludes are working tho :D
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09:16<mysupper>jm_ , I'm trying on /etc/X11/x11-common. ...
09:17<jm_>mysupper: try all 3 mouse buttons with ctrl key
09:17<mysupper>(but actually have no idea..)
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09:18<jm_>mysupper: otherwise add something like this to ~/.Xresources: XTerm.vt100.font: terminus-iso8859-15-14
09:18<jm_>it also supports xft for fonts
09:19<mysupper>jm_ OK
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09:34<Zathras>Hi. I run bind9 on Etch and have rndc issues. Bind starts fine without errors. reload, stop and direct rndc command however give me auth errors while everything *looks* ok. How can I tackle this issue please?
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09:40<alex__>anyone know how to bind ident to a specific IP address in ident.conf ? or maybe somewhere else?
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09:42<mysupper_>jm_ thx for advice. That worked.
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10:04<mrpouet>hi
10:04<guy>anyone know how to use apt-get to download (not install) packages without getting any dependencies?
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10:29<Christ>Hi people
10:29<Christ>How are you all?
10:30<Christ>i need a little help with partitions
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10:30<Smurfie>Be specific, and there will be answers.
10:31<Christ>i wish to resize my actual partition to increase my swap
10:31<Smurfie>oic
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10:31<Christ>i installed parted, but when i try to use it, it says that the actual partition is in USE
10:32<Christ>so i tried to umount it and it says that is in use
10:33<Smurfie>If it is, say, your root partition (or your swap), then it rightfully claims the partition is in use (and hence cannot be modified).
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10:33<Christ>so, how can i do it?
10:34<Smurfie>OK, cool, now we have the real question. ;-)
10:34<themill>Christ: mount off a livecd
10:34<themill>boot*
10:34<Smurfie>I will leave it to the experts to answer that one.
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10:34<Christ>BTW, thats another problem, this PC is a SH#T, so i cannot load LiveCD's
10:35<themill>Christ: can you boot of a usb stick?
10:35<Christ>if try with a liveCD, the PC stucks
10:35<Christ>no, usb no themill
10:35<themill>:(
10:35<Christ>let me show you
10:36<Christ>Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 2.6.18-4-486 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMDDuron at 1606 MHz (3215 bogomips), , RAM: 114/116MB, 90 proc's, 20.18min up
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10:36<Christ>is possible to resize with RANISH themill?
10:37<Christ>because i have SYSTEM RESCUE
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10:37<themill>no idea
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10:37<Christ>T_T
10:38<Christ>imagine this, i only can have ONE thing at the same moment, or konversation, or OOO, or FF, just ONE or the PC Stucks
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10:39<Christ>so i wish to increase the swap, maybe it gets better
10:39<Smurfie>Why? Did you configure swap really low?
10:39<Smurfie>How much is it now, and how much of it is in use now?
10:39<Christ>i didn't install it, was a colleage
10:39<Christ>i set it as DEFAULT
10:39<Smurfie>But how much is it?
10:40<Smurfie>Run top in a terminal and look at it.
10:40<Christ>command?
10:40<Smurfie>Yes, run the top command, in an xterm.
10:40<Smurfie>top
10:40<Smurfie>It will show you how your machine is doing.
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10:41<Christ>Mem: 119008k total, 116296k used, 2712k free, 404k buffers
10:41<Christ>Swap: 345356k total, 85208k used, 260148k free, 33416k cached
10:41<Christ>sorry, i cannot open pastebin or it stucks
10:42<Smurfie>np
10:42<Smurfie>There should be a line, near the top, starting with "Swap:"
10:42<Christ>i pasted it
10:42<Smurfie>What is total, what is used.
10:42<Christ>Swap: 345356k total, 85208k used, 260148k free, 33416k cached
10:42<Smurfie>Oh yes, you are right, sorry.
10:43<Christ>:P
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10:43<Smurfie>260MB free swap, and you think you need to increase the swap partition?
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10:43<Christ>is not going to get better if i do it?
10:44<Smurfie>We need a better diagnosis of your actual problem. ;-)
10:44<trench>Christ: what kind of cpu you got?
10:44<Christ>Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 2.6.18-4-486 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMDDuron at 1606 MHz (3215 bogomips), , RAM: 114/116MB, 90 proc's, 20.18min up
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10:44<Nemoder>why so little ram with such a good cpu?
10:45<Christ>yeap, apparently
10:45<Christ>that is the problem, i dunno why, is a PC of the place where i work
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10:46<Christ>they use windows on it, and it really sucks, so a friend installed Debian for me
10:46<Christ>but now i have a lot of problems, as i said before, i only can open ONE application at the same time, no more
10:47<Smurfie>Ah yes, Nemoder identified the problem.
10:47<Smurfie>And no, increasing swap won't help a bit.
10:47<trench>Christ: you run kde?
10:47<Christ>no trench, GNOME
10:47<Christ>i dunno why it says KDE
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10:48<trench>Christ: tried switching to like fluxbox or something like that?
10:48<Christ>xfce
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10:48<Nemoder>firefox can use up to 200MB of ram alone, a bigger swap might stop it from completely locking up but it's still going to be very very slow
10:48<Smurfie>If all your apps start with a K (Konqueror, Konsole, etc.) it's a pretty good indication you are running KDE.
10:49<Nemoder>ram is so cheap nowdays, adding more ram would make that a decent machine
10:49<Smurfie>And yes, Firefox is a real memory hog.
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10:49<trench>install galeon or dillo(don't support frames)
10:49<Smurfie>Using 355MB of virtual memory, as I see in top.
10:49<Christ>yeah, im using konversation right now, is that in my home i really run KDE and i like Konversation
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10:50<Christ>so the only solution is increase the RAM?
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10:50<Smurfie>Christ, just get more RAM in that machine you are complaining about.
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10:50*Smurfie nods
10:50<Smurfie>By whatever means necessary. ;-)
10:50<Christ>ok, i need to ask for it to the BOSS :P
10:51<Smurfie>Tell him you could be more productive.
10:51<Smurfie>But don't tell him how much more. ;-)
10:51<Christ>guys is there an applicatin like everest in linux?
10:51<trench>kind of strange tought i have a 600 mhz laptop i use with fluxbox and some small apps
10:51<Nemoder>you can get 2000MB of ram on newegg for about $40
10:52<Smurfie>Yes, good point, RAM is cheap nowadays.
10:52<trench>Christ: you can poke arround in the /proc system
10:52<trench>cat /proc/cpuinfo
10:52<trench>and stuff like that
10:53<trench>do i cat /proc/meminfo
10:53<trench>-i +a
10:53<Christ>to know wich kind of memory this PC use?
10:54<Christ>ok, thx a lot guys
10:54<Smurfie>dmesg tends to have a lot of info on detected hardware.
10:54<Nemoder>best to check the motherboard model
10:54<Christ>thats a good point Nemoder
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10:54<Smurfie>Unless you use iptables and haven't rebooted recently, that is. ;-)
10:54<trench>Christ: and instead of using gui apps, there is alot of good once for the shell
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10:56<Christ>:P
10:56<Nemoder>or at least instead of gnome/kde us something like xfce or fluxbox
10:56<trench>first time i have heard about a person that only could run one app
10:57<Nemoder>s/us/use
10:57<trench>Christ: does that apps get killed?
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10:57<trench>if so you have a memory problem
10:57<Smurfie>Still, many Linux systems save the original startup messages (about hardware detection) in a file valled /var/log/dmesg, which means that inquiring minds can be satisfied.
10:57<Smurfie>s/val/cal/
10:57<Christ>xfce i saw it a little different, so i desisted, but i see that i'm going to neeed to llearn to use it
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10:58<Nemoder>I use it, it's pretty easy
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10:58<Smurfie>xfce is quite nice, once you get used to it.
10:58<trench>xfce use alot to :)
10:58<Smurfie>kewl
10:58<janrocks>popular on minimal setups
10:58<janrocks>also fluxbox and rox
10:59<craigevil>lxde+openbox or fluxbox is very light
10:59<Nemoder>hehe I have 4GB of ram and I still prefer xfce :)
10:59<Smurfie>Light is cool.
10:59<Christ>yeah? im going to start right now, in a few moments, im copying 300MB to a USB
10:59<Christ>i have installed XFCE, in a few moments im going to start :P
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10:59*Smurfie has a problem with writing the .iso to the flash drive
10:59<trench>i have 8 GB on my main and i still like fluxbox :)
11:00<Smurfie>Apparently, I first need to put a (V)FAT filesystem on the stick.
11:00<Christ>:P why does everybody preffer the light?
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11:00<trench>Christ: living in the fastlane?
11:00<rohan>hi.. which kernel version is lenny going to be released with?
11:00<Smurfie>Light is the trend of today, I suppose. ;-)
11:00<Christ>hahaha
11:01<Christ>4 more minutes and im going to use XFCE
11:01<Nemoder>well with all the modules I have loaded in xfce it's not so light anymore :)
11:02<Smurfie>Can anyone tell me off the top of his or her head, which command I need to put a (V)FAT filesystem on my USB drive?
11:02<Christ>what about a really light web browser so functional like FF?
11:02<trench>Christ: galeon
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11:03<Smurfie>Oh wait, no, easier than that, I will use the XP box. ;-)
11:03<Christ>im goint to try it on XFCE
11:03<Smurfie>It's doing noting anyway.
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11:03<Smurfie>s/ti/thi/
11:03<trench>Smurfie: mkfs.vfat ? or something like that?
11:04<slept>Is there a simple way to change the ecoding a programm is using to utf8 ? ( find and replace ) or are there more things to adjust ? the source is cpp but I am not experienced
11:04<Smurfie>Good tip, trench.
11:04*Smurfie does a man mkfs
11:04<Smurfie>Yes, we have an mkfs.vfat. ;-)
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11:05<Christ>XD
11:05<trench>Smurfie: apt-get install dosfstools
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11:05<Christ>ok guys, im going to restart as xfce
11:05<Christ>Ill be back in a minute
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11:06<rohan>if i want to report a general kernel bug, which package do i use?
11:06<trench>reportbug i think
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11:06<Smurfie>trench: would that improve things? I already have /sbin/mkfs.vfat, but that might be because I installed mtools, I think.
11:06<rohan>trench: er no, which package do i file it against?
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11:07<DTE>hi all
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11:07<Smurfie>hi
11:07<Nemoder>the package for the kernel you run? probably not the meta package though
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11:07<DTE>i have installed nagios from backports
11:07<DTE>nagios3
11:07<trench>and?
11:07<DTE>but i get some problems
11:07<DTE>trying to check windows hosts
11:07<rohan>well, basically i want to request that acer-acpi be integrated into the lenny kernel which will be released. what package do i file it against?
11:07<trench>checked your config?
11:07<DTE>i always get a missing -l parameters
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11:08<DTE>trench: you mean me?
11:08<trench>DTE: yes
11:08<DTE>oh yes...many times...i followed all the guides
11:08<DTE>but no clues
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11:09<trench>searched google too? :)
11:09<DTE>yes :-)
11:11<huhlig>grrr
11:11<huhlig>I still cant get wpa_supplicant to work
11:11<huhlig>wth
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11:12<Christ>XFCE Guys
11:12<Christ>and feels a lot more fast
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11:13<Christ>really a great advice, THX
11:14<jb__>hello, does anyone if it's possible to get gnome terminal to flash in the taskbar when hilighted in irssi? i.e. when the bell is activated.
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11:16<krowa>Hello there, I'm looking for information about 64308 and 2003 port [udp connection] ;)
11:16<Gekz>good
11:16<Gekz>google it
11:16<krowa>I try to Google b
11:16<krowa>but
11:16<krowa>;]
11:16<Gekz>lol
11:16<krowa>It's better to ask a person/ men :)
11:16<krowa>Is there any page that analyze port ? [What is the best page of that kind]
11:17<Nemoder>less /etc/services
11:17<krowa>Maybe You can help me :) I'll try to google more, of course ;]
11:17<Gekz>http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porty_protoko%C5%82u
11:17<Christ>THX guys, im going to talk with my boss about the RAM Increase, and thanks for all your advices you are really cool :)
11:17<Gekz>krowa: ^^
11:17<krowa>;]
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11:17<Gekz>krowa: you will learn that there is nothing on either of those ports
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11:20<brunner>hi all
11:20<brunner>could someone tell me if this is correct syntax:
11:20<brunner>find /your/start/dir -name "whatever" -exec perl -i -wpe 's/$INPUT_TXT/$OUTPUT_TXT/g' {} \;
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11:20<brunner>the last few characters are the ones I'm most unsure about.
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11:21<mourad>salut
11:21<mourad>ooo
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11:26<Yannick>hallo
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11:47<cz8s2>brunner: the {} \; ist OK. Can't say anything about perl
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12:20<kossy>Hi !
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12:22<kossy>I've got debian etch, and use gcc 4.1. Unfortunately I do not see any option for using bounds checking. Is it possible to install deb package with patched gcc with bounds checking, if so, which one should I install ?
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12:32<Mrkva>hi
12:32<Mrkva>anyone with working TV-out on intel GM965
12:32<Mrkva>or simmilar?
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12:34<Mrkva>i can't get it working :( but i know, that before migration to 64bit unstable it was working
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12:37<Mrkva>the TV screen is black(using AV input from S-video->scart reduction), when i enable tv out, it only blinks
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12:45<elirips>hi. i'm trying to connect to a serial-device connect to ttyS1. But tcgetattr() always fails (-1, errno=5), and I have no clue where the problem might be. anyone got any hint for me? I tried it as root, so the rights shouldn't matter much... (?)
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12:46<elirips>Or: How could I test if the ttyS1 is working properly?
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12:47<edward__>hi
12:47<edward__>anyone got the e1000e working on a SM board.. ?
12:47<edward__>i don't see my interfaces.. after I modprobe the e1000e
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13:04<Eclipse>hi colegas
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13:28<jstevens>Ok, man pages & google aren't helping, so I'll try you awesome people :-) ... I've got a install of Stable, DHCPd set & running, works fine to Wired PCs, Works fine to Laptops w/ Internal NICs, DHCPd won't hand an IP to a PC hooked to a wireless bridge though... (yes, wireless bridges are set up correctly as hardcoding an IP makes network work fine) ... any thoughts?
13:29<the-dude>do they reach your computer?
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13:31<jstevens>does what reach the computer?
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13:32<jstevens>wow it's dead in here
13:32<the-dude>traffic?
13:33<themill>jstevens: dhcpd will record getting DHCPREQUEST in daemon.log. Is the dhcp server seeing the request?
13:33<the-dude>try tcpdump or daemon/syslog
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13:35<jstevens>themill: good call, yeah, it's got a line of DHCPDISCOVER and then one for DHCPOFFER ... offering an IP of 192.168.10.60 , but that IP is not showing up in /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases
13:35<jstevens>the-dude: sorry I didn't catch what you meant there.
13:36<jstevens>hrrm, so for some reason the offer isn't making it back to the PC
13:36<the-dude>jstevens: no firewalls in between?
13:36<themill>jstevens: after OFFER, there should be DHCPACK when it's all set to go. Is the dhcp server sending bad routing information? Does the dhcp server not know how to route over your wireless bridge?
13:36<the-dude>or filtering of some how
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13:38<jstevens>the-d nope, no firewalls ... Linux-box to a D-link hub to a Aeronet 350 AP to a Linksys WET54G to a dell laptop.
13:38<the-dude>jstevens: perhaps check your wireles for logging?
13:38<jstevens>the Dell laptop DHCP's fine when plugged into a switch
13:39<themill>can you get from the dhcp server to the laptop when on wireless but using a static ip?
13:39<themill>i.e. do ping packets make it through
13:40<jstevens>if I hardcode the IP in the Dell, then yes, full access to the internet
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13:40<the-dude>jstevens: with your wireless card or normal nic?
13:40<themill>jstevens: that's a different thing
13:40<themill>jstevens: I'm talking about access between the two boxes, not to the internet
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13:41<jstevens>themill: I'm trying the fromt he server to the laptop ping now
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13:46<jstevens>themill: yep, pings make it through
13:46<jstevens>PING 192.168.10.20 (192.168.10.20) 56(84) bytes of data.
13:46<jstevens>64 bytes from 192.168.10.20: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=16.6 ms
13:47<huhlig>grrr
13:47<themill>:(
13:47<huhlig>I still cant get this to work
13:47<jstevens>themill: server is 192.168.10.1 ... just in case you were wondering
13:47<huhlig>anyone willing to help me with wpa supplicant
13:48<jstevens>huhlig: sorry, haven't worked w/ that
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13:48<themill>jstevens: no idea then... and sorry, i've got to run off now. Others are around, or ask back later -- it tends to be a bit more active in a couple of hours' time.
13:48<hathe|ffws>huhlig: ask your question
13:49<jstevens>htem: tis ok, thanks for the offer / attempt
13:49<jstevens>them tis ok, thanks for the offer / attempt
13:49<jstevens>themill: tis ok, thanks for the offer / attempt
13:49<jstevens>there we go... :-)
13:49<huhlig>hathe, I have it set up for roaming
13:49<huhlig>It refuses to connect, let alone automatically
13:50<themill>jstevens: third time lucky. Good luck with it.
13:50<huhlig>I am not sure how to debug
13:50<themill>jstevens: keep looking at logs and routing tables though...
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13:51<hathe|ffws>huhlig: I have to see your interfaces and wpa_supplicant.conf
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13:53<the-dude>jstevens: install iptraf of tcpdump at your computer and see what is happening
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13:55<huhlig>ok
13:55<huhlig>one second
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14:06<huhlig>hathe: sorry for the delay
14:06<huhlig>http://pastebin.ca/987645
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14:13<jstevens>the-dude: workstation or client?
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14:13<jstevens>the-dude: workstation or server?
14:13<huhlig>hathe|ffws: any ideas?
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14:14<hathe|ffws>huhlig: does it just not connect to the network or do you not ge an IP address?
14:15<huhlig>when I start up it doesnt grad any network
14:15<huhlig>if I force it to connect
14:15<huhlig>it never grabs an ip
14:15<huhlig>and If I force dhclient it never finds one
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14:16<Smurfie>Any error logging?
14:16<huhlig>not that Ive seen
14:16<hathe|ffws>huhlig: check iwevent and wpa_cli
14:16<huhlig>dmesg is clean
14:16<huhlig>ok
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14:18<huhlig>iwevent is just saying scan request completed
14:18<huhlig>and wpa_cli is spitting out <2>CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
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14:20<huhlig>and yes I have double checked passwords and ssids
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14:23<huhlig> what am I looking for?
14:24<Smurfie>Good question.
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14:31<cmd>hallo zusammen
14:32<sylock>hello
14:32<cmd>könnte mir mal bitte jemand etwas erklären?
14:32<huhlig>so, no idea?
14:32<azeem_>!de
14:32<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
14:32<huhlig>how bout you hathe?
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14:35<sylock>hum, I installed compiz-fusion on Lenny and it installed in the same time Emerald. It seems cool but I don't understand how it works. I select som themes but nothing happend. Do I need to change a config file ?
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14:37<NinjaMan>sylock what is emerald?
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14:37<sylock>a theme selection
14:37<NinjaMan>oic
14:37<sylock>a theme manager to be more precise
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14:38<NinjaMan>is it available in the debian repository.. i can't see it
14:38<sylock>http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/Emerald-19791.shtml
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14:39<sylock>not int the official servers (like compiz-fusion)
14:39<NinjaMan>ok
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14:39<sylock>I give you the server I found it
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14:40<NinjaMan>it sounds like emerald is a replacement for compiz-fusion in the same way metacity is
14:40<sylock>deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
14:40<sylock>compiz-fusion is not yet in the officials servers
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14:41<sylock>but I tested it with Ubuntu before going to Debian and I wanted to put it on Debian
14:41<sylock>even if it is unstable
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14:43<sylock>so nobody know somethnig about theme manager named EMERALD ?
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14:43<sylock>something*
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14:45<sylock>I just read your message NinjaMan. I don't know. Maybe you're right. I never saw that but it looks pretty good. I hoped it was an advanced theme manager.
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14:46<sylock>(in addition of compiz-fusion)
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14:47<sylock>hum, can I ask you a newb question ? :) How can I do to reply to somebody here ? (like you did before - it appears in red for me)
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14:47<NinjaMan>sylock I got compiz-fusion from a debian repository
14:48<NinjaMan>one min - I get the server
14:48<sylock>ah
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14:49<NinjaMan>compiz is in testing and unstable
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14:50<NinjaMan>as are compiz-fusion-plugins-extra etc..
14:50<NinjaMan>I'm using the official uk respository
14:51<sylock>I look at
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14:52<sylock>ah yeah. I didn't know if it were the good package.
14:52<sylock>beacause this is plugin for compiz
14:52<sylock>but I'm newb, so I'm not sure what I do. I'm just testing. As I thought this wasn't the good packages, I searched on google.
14:53<NinjaMan>what do you mean "good" packages?
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14:54<ccmd>hello there can someone tell me who can I switch the channel to german?
14:54<sylock>the real packages of compiz-fusion. I thought this was only a plugin for compiz alone. (but in fact, I'm new in the linux world and I don'treally know what's the differnces between compiz alone, beryl alone, and compiz fusion)
14:55<Smurfie>!de
14:55<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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14:55<ccmd>danke
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14:55<Smurfie>Macht niks.
14:56<sylock>Did you tested them Ninja ? Does it works ?
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14:57<sylock>I also want to install pulseaudio on Lenny. Somedy already did that ?
14:57<NinjaMan>sylock, I test compiz witht he fusion plugin
14:58<sylock>somebody*
14:58<NinjaMan>yes I got pulseaudio
14:58<sylock>is this hard to do ?
14:58<NinjaMan>and I am using the esd emulation plugin
14:58<NinjaMan>no, but not much software can interface directly with pulseaudio yet
14:58<sylock>don't you have a good article of web site about that ?
14:58<NinjaMan>eg. gnome uses esd
14:59<NinjaMan>mplayer has an esd module
14:59<NinjaMan>etc.
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14:59<sylock>ok
14:59<NinjaMan>no I don't sorry
14:59<sylock>so, is it interesting to install pulseaudio?
15:00<sylock>I wished it resolved audio problem on Linux when some applications make sound at the same time.
15:00<NinjaMan>well, esd as an architecture is obselete and dead
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15:00<NinjaMan>and pulseaudio is a possible replacement
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15:00<NinjaMan>that is in active development, but there are others
15:01<NinjaMan>it has esd emulation so it can be used as a slot in replacement for esd
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15:01<NinjaMan>which obviously has advantages with gnome
15:01<sdj>some body can help-me to access a windows partition?
15:01<NinjaMan>sylock - that is exactly what it will
15:01<NinjaMan>that's what arts, esd, jacks etc all do
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15:02<sylock>ok
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15:02<sylock>so, does it resolves synchronous sounds problems ?
15:03<NinjaMan>sylock are you using a sound server now?
15:03<NinjaMan>because that is what they are for!
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15:04<sylock>hum I don't know. My debian installation is really fresh.
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15:04<sylock>I know I had some problems to play EvE online on Ubuntu and using teamspeak at the same time
15:05<sylock>of listen to music from exaile and play EvE online
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15:05<sylock>or*
15:05<NinjaMan>well that problem shouldn't occur if you have a sound server
15:06<NinjaMan>if it does there is a more complex problem
15:06<sylock>which are them ? What are their name ?
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15:06<sylock>your named arts, jack etc
15:06<sylock>but if I remember well, arts is for KDE, esd you said is dead, jack I don't know
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15:08<sylock>(and how can I know which one I use ?)
15:08<Saint_>g'day folks
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15:10<NinjaMan>jackd is a low latency sound server more for the professional requiring serious input mixing
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15:10<NinjaMan>pulseaudio is the way to go if you are replacing esd
15:10<NinjaMan>so for like gnome
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15:11<sylock>I searched in "sounds preferences", in the sounds tab ans esd is not activated it seems.
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15:11<NinjaMan>activate it
15:11<zeev>is there a way to deactivated complexity check of passwd?
15:11<zeev>as root
15:11<NinjaMan>install pulseaudo with esd plugin
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15:11<NinjaMan>try the applications that you were having trouble with
15:11<sylock>"activate software mix of the sound" (in translate from french)
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15:12<sylock>ok, to install pulse audio, I only need to make an apt-get install pulseaudio ?
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15:13<NinjaMan>+ pulseaudio-esound-compat
15:13<zeev>hey guys: just yes or no to the question above:
15:14<NinjaMan>and pulseaudio-module-gconf
15:15<NinjaMan>and maybe pulseaudo-module-zeroconf, if you have mDNS and you want to share sound services via that route
15:15<sylock>I don't have it
15:16<sylock>Is there a long time you're on Linux ?
15:17<sylock>Do I need to restart ?
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15:17<sylock>because I choose pulseaudio in the sound préférence window and It show me an error box
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15:18<NinjaMan>yes debian for about 12 years
15:18<NinjaMan>but I'm definitely a user as opposed to anything else
15:18<sylock>^^ hehe, a long long time :)
15:18<NinjaMan>I write the odd script and compile a kernel now and again
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15:19<NinjaMan>bit that's about it lol
15:19<sylock>:)
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15:19<NinjaMan>what sound preference window are you talking about?
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15:20<sylock>in the system/preference/sound (translate from french)
15:20<sylock>(in the gnome gui)
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15:22<NinjaMan>hmm under "sound playback" ?
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15:23<sylock>maybe
15:23<sylock>^^
15:23<sylock>I don't know
15:23<NinjaMan>in the "devices" tab?
15:24<sylock>yes it is
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15:24<sylock>by default it is on "automatic detection" but I tried to put on pulseaudio server
15:25<NinjaMan>strangely I don't even get the option
15:25<sylock>and clic the play test
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15:25<sylock>hehe
15:25<NinjaMan>I get "auto detect", then 4 blank lines, and then ALSA, ESD, OSS in the dropdown
15:25<NinjaMan>I just put it on ESD
15:25<sylock>maybe you're not running pulseaudio as a server ? :)
15:25<NinjaMan>and :?
15:25<NinjaMan>hmm
15:26<NinjaMan>I check again lol
15:26<sylock>:)
15:26<NinjaMan>;) it is definitely running
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15:27<sylock>:)
15:27<KaptinKurk>:)
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15:42<sylock>I restart X to see if it work
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15:46<myosound>hey guys, I can't seem to find 'alsactl' is it part of some alsa tools or utils package that I might not have installed?
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15:53<MrPeepers310>hey im trying to install kde4 using the synaptic package manager and it's giving me an error
15:53<MrPeepers310>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.0.3-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/services/renaudiodlg.desktop', which is also in package kde4addons-data
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15:57<m4rten>Hi Everyone.
15:57<MrPeepers310>hi
15:57<MrPeepers310>not many people talkin
15:58<chealer>myosound: yes
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16:01<Spudz76>is this the right place to ask about dependency issues on Lenny?
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16:02<m4rten>I have a problem with a freshly installed deb4.0rc3 on my laptop. It has no internet-connection (until I install ndiswrapper that is). I want to install the ndiswrapper userspace utils, so I got the .deb package (with the help of my windows-machine) and tried to install it. It says "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6". When trying to install libc6 I get the error "Error: Conflicts with the installed package 'tzdata'. Is a
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16:04<Spudz76>/msg dpkg etch->lenny
16:04<Spudz76>wtf dumb Pidgin
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16:05<chealer>Spudz76: yes
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16:06<chealer>m4rten: your message was truncated at "Is a"
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16:07<Spudz76>with Synaptic, I just did a reload and mark all, it wanted to remove banshee and a couple other odd things (why?) and so I let it. Now trying to reinstall banshee, it wants to remove gnome!?!? huh
16:07<m4rten>Rest of my message was: Is anyone able (and willing) to help me sort out this problem?
16:07<m4rten>=)
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16:08<adriano>hi to all
16:08<adriano>I recompile kernel 2.6.23.17 on debian lenny
16:09<chealer>m4rten: just ask your real question
16:09<adriano>but now I can't open usb pen drive device
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16:09<adriano>what is the module for usb pen drive mount?
16:09<m4rten>My question is, how do I install ndiswrapper-utils
16:10<Spudz76>adriano: usb-storage
16:10<adriano>I actived usb-storage as [M]
16:11<adriano>infact pcmanfm recognized device but didn't mount them
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16:11<sdj>somebody can help-me with a webcam?
16:11<Mr_Giraffe>m4rten, i can help with that
16:11<sdj>how to install a webcam...
16:12<Mr_Giraffe>sdj, be patient
16:12<sdj>ok
16:12<Mr_Giraffe>why do you think you'll get a response within less than 10 seconds?
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16:12<sdj>was only a correction
16:12<Mr_Giraffe>ok, if you say so
16:12<Mr_Giraffe>now then, does anybody know how to fix the DPI on my fonts?
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16:14<Spudz76>adriano: perhaps you need to enable modules for filesystems such as FAT32 (vfat) or ntfs? (whatever your USB stick is formatted as, probably FAT32)
16:14<adriano>I enabled vfat
16:14<adriano>fat
16:14<adriano>ntfs
16:14<chealer>m4rten: what's the name of your .deb?
16:14<m4rten>ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.52-1_i386.deb
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16:15<Spudz76>adriano: could it be a mac-formatted usb stick? you shoul dbe able to tell what is up once the /dev/sdX device shows up by running fdisk or other partition utility (gparted?) on it
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16:17<chealer>m4rten: you're using Debian 4. you should use a package for Debian 4.
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16:17<m4rten>oops. Im sorry I wasted your time.
16:18<m4rten>Thanks for helping anyhow.
16:20<adriano>Spudz76, see the fdisk output for usb device
16:20<adriano>Disk /dev/sdc: 4093 MB, 4093640192 bytes
16:20<adriano>255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 497 cylinders
16:20<adriano>Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
16:20<adriano>Disk identifier: 0x91f72d24
16:20<adriano> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
16:20<adriano>/dev/sdc1 * 1 498 3997664 b W95 FAT32
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16:22<sdj>somebody can help-me to install a usb webcam?
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16:23<adriano>Spudz76, did you see my output?
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16:24<cahoot>sdj: figured out what module it needs?
16:24<sdj>no
16:24<cahoot>sdj: possibly listed here http://mxhaard.free.fr/
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16:25<chealer>sdj: which chipset does it use?
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16:25<sdj>i dont know
16:26<cahoot>sdj: run lsusb and look it up here: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
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16:28<sdj>z-star
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16:30<knoppix_>hh
16:30<cahoot>sdj: run lsusb and look for you camera, note the usb/vendor id - use that info on the page above
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16:31<alaya>hi guys. jbossas4 is not the same as jboss, is it?
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16:32<alaya>oh maybe it is
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16:35<dvandyk>hi, can somebody help me with libhdf5-shared?
16:35<dvandyk>the installed shared object does not respect naming conventions, i.e. it's name is 'libhdf5-VERSIONNUMMER.so.0.0.0'
16:36<dvandyk>is there a way to detect this? i do not see any pkg-config files for libhdf5
16:37<Spudz76>adriano: yes, that is strange and I am at a loss - can you mount it manually
16:37<Spudz76>adriano: (I mean is it just the automounting that is broken?)
16:37<adriano>mount in general is broken
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16:39<chealer>sdj: z-star is the chipset's name?
16:39<sdj>yes
16:39<chealer>sdj: how do you know? is that all lsusb says about it?
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16:40<sdj>yes
16:40<sdj>z-star microelectronics corp
16:41<Spudz76>adriano: I am out of ideas, and have to step out
16:41<Spudz76>someone else give adriano's problem a try please?
16:41<dvandyk>n/m, got it... i need the developer package
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16:41<adriano>I recompile kernel from default configuration
16:42<adriano>I'll tell you the results ;)
16:42<adriano>thanks for all Spudz76
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16:44<chealer>sdj: that's just a company. doesn't the chipset have a name?
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16:46<sdj>chealer, no
16:46<chealer>sdj: please provide lsusb's output
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17:09<sdj>chealer, this is the output : z-star microelectronics corp
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17:09<chealer>sdj: please provide lsusb's full output
17:10<sdj>ok
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17:10<sdj>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0ac8:305b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp
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17:11<sdj>chealer, ...
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17:18<jimmy_>hi everybody
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17:23<chealer>sdj: use the gspca driver
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17:25<sdj>chealer, ok
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17:26<q3>hello. I installed the compiz fusion packages and it somehow made my keyboard not work properly anymore in X. uninstalling the packages had no effect :( any ideas?
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17:27<q3>to be exact, the keyboard only has an effect if I hold the key down for a second or so, and then it already starts repeating, so it's unusable...
17:28<q3>outside of X11 the keyboard still works fine.
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17:30<chealer>q3: which Debian suite do you use?
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17:34<nate_>I have a logitech mediaplay cordless mouse and I am trying to get the two side buttons to work. However, when I use xev, it say that those buttons are numbers 2 and 3 -- which are actually the middle button and the right click button. What do I do?
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17:36<q3>chealer: mostly testing
17:36<q3>update: restoring an old xorg.conf doesn't do anything either
17:36<q3>in which file could this be?
17:37<chealer>q3: is compiz installed?
17:37<q3>chealer: not anymore
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17:37<q3>chealer: but uninstalling it didn't fix the problem
17:38<q3>so it must be some residual change in some config file, no?
17:39<q3>maybe I should just sort /etc by modification time ;)
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17:51<chealer>q3: could you provide your dpkg log or the part starting from your installation of compiz fusion?
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17:59<q3>chealer: yes, one second...
18:03<Spudz76>anyone else experience the problem I mentioned 2 hours ago, with banshee wanting to remove gnome (on Lenny)
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18:06<q3>chealer: the relevant part should be at the beginning. after that there are packages I installed to be able to operate in text mode
18:06<chealer>q3: not DCC, please paste on a pastebin so that everyone can see
18:07<q3>chealer: I tried, but links doesn't like the pastebin :(
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18:07<chealer>q3: oh well, then resend it
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18:08<q3>chealer: nvm, this one worked: http://senduit.com/bcd3b8_ (hope I copied that URL correctly :))
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18:12<chealer>q3: does this happen for several users?
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18:16<q3>chealer: solved it. gnome actually has an option "only accept long keypresses", and for whatever reason this was turned on
18:16<q3>duh :)
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18:16<q3>chealer: thanks for your time, anyway :)
18:17<q3>I didn't find that option at first because I use kde. I only found it by going through the list of files in /etc that were changed today...
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18:21<chealer>q3: that GNOME option affects your KDE? or it's not properly a GNOME option?
18:22<q3>chealer: it affected everything, I also tried openbox
18:22<chealer>q3: where is it stored?
18:22<BattousaiDeDo>hi i need help with installation of the atii graphic drivers for an ati radeon x1950 pro on a debian etch 2.6.18-6-amd64 system. i did it as told in the installationguide by ati but wenn i rebooted, my xserver won't start and fglrxinfo cant find any display
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18:24<q3>chealer: right, maybe it isn't a gnome option, I just found it in the gnome control center...
18:24<chealer>q3: but where is it stored in /etc?
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18:25<Spudz76>is there a specific channel for package management issues where I could ask/report my problem?
18:25<q3>chealer: I don't know in which file it's stored, I just tried this because /etc/gnome/config/xrdb was changed. might be coincidence
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18:26<q3>chealer: I do autostart gnome-settings-daemon, so maybe it isn't so weird after all that it affects other WMs
18:26<dondelelcaro>Spudz76: best to just ask here if you don't know, and then file a bug against the specific packages if there's a real problem.
18:27<chealer>q3: oh, OK, nevermind
18:28<Spudz76>then I'll re-ask
18:28<Spudz76>with Synaptic, I just did a reload and mark all, it wanted to remove banshee and a couple other odd things (why?) and so I let it. Now trying to reinstall banshee, it wants to remove gnome!?!? huh
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18:33<q3>chealer: actually maybe I activated this when I hit keys at random to try out compiz. I can't believe I just spent several hours on this :)
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18:40<q3>cya
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18:42<Spudz76>is my problem too weird or what?
18:42<Spudz76>it is too new to find on the web as far as I can tell
18:42<Spudz76>or it's very specific to my configuration somehow
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18:43<sylock>hello here
18:43<sdj>chealer, the gspca is installed and dont works
18:44<chealer>Spudz76: what's your question exactly?
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18:44<tq|Memphis>erm.. tell me a program which works correctly at gnome and GOT subtitle function ..
18:45<tq|Memphis>divx player
18:45<sylock>I can't read DVD on my Lenny. I installed libdvdcss2, win32codecs, lidvdnav4 from deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main But when I want to read into Totem, it tell me that i need plugin ...
18:45<amphi>tq|Memphis: mplayer works well for me
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18:45<tq|Memphis>i got subtitle porblems with mplayer
18:45<Spudz76>1) why did the recent package update want to remove banshee ; and 2) why does installing banshee (now that I let it remove it to upgrade lots of other things) want to remove gnome
18:46<amphi>sylock: libdvdread3 perhaps?
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18:46<tq|Memphis>will check after my soap
18:46<azeem>Spudz76: which version of Debian?
18:46<amphi>tq|Memphis: worksforme - what problems?
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18:46<Spudz76>azeem: Lenny
18:46<sylock>libdvdread3 is installed to (u just checked)
18:47<tq|Memphis>amphi ,frequaenzy (i dont know how its spelling) problem
18:47<tq|Memphis>23.975 25.000 etc.
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18:47<chealer>!tell Spudz76 about bat
18:48<amphi>tq|Memphis: you can explicitly set the fps, FWIW
18:48<sylock>can't I know what is missing for totem ? with a command line for exemple ? because for now, I don't know what's missing ...
18:48<amphi>tq|Memphis: if you have the wrong subtitles, you can perhaps find others at opensubtitles.org
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18:49<tq|Memphis>amphi: or i'll improve my english :/
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18:50<amphi>tq|Memphis: heh - movies are a way to learn languages, but subtitles are helpful in that regard
18:52<Spudz76>chealer: http://paste.debian.net/939 <=- this is the first part, where I did the mass update, and it wanted to remove stuff that seemed weird to remove
18:53<chealer>Spudz76: I particularly want to know the output # apt-get install banshee
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18:54<sylock>hum, maybe someone can help me ? Playing DVD in VLC works but not in totem player
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18:54<Spudz76>chealer: http://paste.debian.net/942 output as requested
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18:54<Spudz76>sylock: pretty sure VLC has built-in code that does DVDs
18:55<Spudz76>sylock: whereas, others use system libs for it
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18:55<[Gork]>hello
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18:56<chealer>Spudz76: hum, looks like gnome is broken at first glance, but I need to go
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18:56<chealer>bbl
18:56<[Gork]>anyone there?
18:56<knoppix_>hello
18:56<Spudz76>[Gork]: yes?
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18:57<[Gork]>i got this problem while booting debian , it starts loading but then it just stays in this black screen without doing nothing
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18:57<Guest414>sorry I can't help you
18:57<sylock>so I'll use vlc ...
18:57<Spudz76>[Gork]: no HD activity or anything after the black screen? when exactly does it happen, before the grub menu or after?
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18:57<Guest414>This is my first time ever using Linux stuff
18:58<[Gork]>no activity at all, after the grub menu
18:58<tq|Memphis>[Gork]: i fixed it
18:58<sylock>so, welcome guest414 ;)
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18:58<[Gork]>same here 414
18:58<tq|Memphis>Gork
18:59<[Gork]>?
18:59<Guest414>thanks
18:59<tq|Memphis>you have windows right?
18:59<[Gork]>yes
18:59<tq|Memphis>problem is occuring at MRB
18:59<tq|Memphis>just use enter key when you install
18:59<tq|Memphis>dont do different things
19:00<[Gork]>just enter?
19:00<tq|Memphis>and give it time to scan hdd
19:00<tq|Memphis>yes
19:00<tq|Memphis>it takes 30-40 minutes
19:00<[Gork]>will it take that long everytime i boot?
19:00<tq|Memphis>first time only
19:00<[Gork]>ic
19:01<[Gork]>so, i just wait, enter and wait more?
19:01<tq|Memphis>yes
19:01<[Gork]>thanks man
19:01<tq|Memphis>watch movie listen music :p
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19:01<[Gork]>lawl
19:01<[Gork]>well, gonna give it a shot, thx a lot
19:02<tq|Memphis>goodluck
19:02<[Gork]>ty
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19:03<Guest414>ok where do i go to find drivers or.. such for hardware
19:04<tq|Memphis>www.debian.org than search packages
19:04<Guest414>ok...
19:05<Guest414>sorry i'm very new at this, but where do i locate my hardware.. You know like .. Hardware Manager or such
19:05<azeem>Guest414: the drivers are in the kernel
19:05<panagos>the way /dev/shm works is, a process creates a file in there, memory maps it, and tells other processes to also memory map it, so they can have shared memory? that is, more of like a reference point, like named pipes?
19:05<azeem>Guest414: if you have trouble with specific hardware, just ask about that
19:05<ptr>Hmm. Anyone know how to look up the size limit on environment variables?
19:06<Guest414>just my sound is not working... wanted learn how to fix problems like this
19:06<Spudz76>Guest414: try the "lspci" command or "lsusb" depending on how it's connected (onboard = pci)
19:07<Spudz76>Guest414: then look for a multimedia device in that list
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19:38<Ionicwake>gretings!
19:39<Ionicwake>i just installed debian on a g3 mac ibook
19:40<abrotman>yay!
19:40<Ionicwake>installation went perfect though when i boot it up the screen has this strange split on it
19:41<Ionicwake>only the left 3 inches of the display work and you cant see much of anything
19:41<abrotman>sounds like a bad mode line
19:41<abrotman>!ppc
19:41<dpkg>ppc is probably is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc
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19:46<Ionicwake>i dont think theres anybody awake in #debianppc
19:47<azeem>Ionicwake: so wait a couple of hours
19:48<azeem>you want expert opinions -> wait till they're awake
19:48<azeem>we can provide you with amateur opinions all night long if you prefer
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19:49<Ionicwake>opinions can work
19:49<AnglaChel>i didn't know there was a #debianppc though I've never really looked.
19:50<abrotman>Ionicwake: also check the debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or whatever itis .. they havge links to installation helping sites
19:50<abrotman>Ionicwake: also ... /msg dpkg laptop
19:50<avu>Ionicwake, does the display split only occur when running X?
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19:50<Ionicwake>i believe the default is gnome
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19:50<avu>Ionicwake, so that would be a yes?
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19:51<Ionicwake>its hard to tell from so little screen
19:51<Ionicwake>yup
19:51<avu>Ionicwake, what version of debian are you running?
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19:51<avu>Ionicwake, (I have a few G4 laptops running lenny and sid, maybe that qualifies me for helping you ;))
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19:52<Ionicwake>umm 40r3 ?
19:53<Ionicwake>i used the network install here http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
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19:54<avu>Ionicwake, hm, at least that means I can't just give you my xorg.conf
19:54<avu>Ionicwake, what X graphics driver do you use?
19:54<avu>Ionicwake, (the g3 ibooks also came with ATI chips, right?)
19:54<Ionicwake>yes
19:54<avu>so
19:55<avu>01:54 < avu> Ionicwake, what X graphics driver do you use?
19:55<Ionicwake>i dont know im so very new at this
19:55<Ionicwake>how can i find out
19:55<avu>Ionicwake, paste yout xorg.conf to the nopaste service of your choice
19:55<avu>Ionicwake, (you can find it in /etc/X11)
19:56<abrotman>Ionicwake: lspci | grep VGA
19:56<Ionicwake>just a moment booting machine in question
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19:58<poiqwepoi>hello all, any suggestion for an application for desktop sharing where 2 person can share the desktop and interact on the same app? Thanks
19:58<avu>poiqwepoi, vnc
19:58<poiqwepoi>BTW Desktop is kde
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19:58<avu>poiqwepoi, although interacting with the same app *at the same time* will be unnerving :)
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19:59<avu>poiqwepoi, as both users will be sharing the same mouse pointer
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19:59<avu>poiqwepoi, there is multi pointer support in recent X
19:59<poiqwepoi>avu, its for debug and demonstration
19:59<avu>poiqwepoi, but I am not sure if that's already in lenny/sid
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19:59<avu>poiqwepoi, my guess would be no
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20:00<poiqwepoi>avu thankyou
20:00<Ionicwake>i think i may have gotten the terminal window open
20:00<Ionicwake>anyway i can reset it enough to see what im doing?
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20:00<avu>Ionicwake, press Ctrl+Alt+F1
20:00<avu>Ionicwake, and work on a console
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20:01<avu>Ionicwake, (you said the display problems only occur in X, right?)
20:01<Ionicwake>yaay!
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20:02<Ionicwake>yes
20:03<Ionicwake>now that im console the screen behaves normally
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20:03<avu>ok, then show us your xorg.conf and the ouput of lscpi | grep VGA
20:04<Ionicwake>how do i do that from console ?
20:04<Ionicwake>as i said im a noob
20:04<avu>best if you transfer the files over to a machine where it can be done more easily :)
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20:10<abrotman>he could just install a CLI irc client
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20:12<avu>abrotman, and links and gpm? :)
20:12<abrotman>#flood or
20:12<abrotman>!pastewithoutx
20:12<dpkg>[pastewithoutx] you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste
20:12<abrotman>oh bah
20:12<abrotman>where'd it go
20:13<abrotman>there's a perl bit in the bot
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20:15<abrotman>!pastebin pipe
20:15<dpkg>Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl.
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20:15<user1> using linux,i have some friends sharing my internet. i have 30k vacant and 3 friends. is there a way that i define the combine band limit for 3 users combined as 30 k . not 10k for each. that way if 2 are online they can share 15k each. and if all 3 are online. they will be spreaded 10k each in managed behaviour. any way.i have a dlink switch. and in futer i may take a fourth one and give him a dedicated 20k limit alone. so i need control?
20:15<user1>by wondershaper or ebox. or any other, what i have in mind is 30k for 3 users. if all are online 10k is given to each. if 2 are online 15k to each. 1 then 30k to him. and other 4th user gets 20k seperat dedi bandwidth.. how can i do it?
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20:16<avu>well, I'm afraid I'm off now, 2:16am here and I have to get to work later. Hope you solve this, Ionicwake, otherwise I'll gladly try and help you tomorrow.
20:16<Ionicwake>thanks
20:17<Hiryu>how do I get a 32bit /lib/libx86.so.1 in debian for amd64?
20:19<Hiryu>quake4 needs it... and I just figured out the quake4-smp binary doesn't... that's pretty weird
20:20<Hiryu>guess I'll use that then
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20:23<shivraj>whats the best wireless desktop card ?
20:23<shivraj>which ones work ?
20:23<azeem>Intel's
20:25<shivraj>intel makes desktop cards ?
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20:26<black_13>abrotman, could you look at lines 151 http://rafb.net/p/W7j76y83.html
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20:26<abrotman>it's a network device
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20:26<abrotman>yay for IRQ 169
20:27<black_13>well its weird lits like it finds the drive or the device but eth0 doesnt come up
20:27<black_13>please enlighten me
20:27<azeem>shivraj: you didn't ask about desktop cards
20:27<azeem>shivraj: eh, nm
20:28<abrotman>black_13: what about it ?
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20:29<black_13>could you give me a good place to start on trouble shooting why this device/eth0 is not give me a network connection
20:29<abrotman>it has two possible drivers .. 8139cp and 8139too
20:30<abrotman>dmesg seems to be implying that you should try 8139too
20:30<black_13>ok i will try that
20:31<black_13>lets say that i do modprobe and 8139too and it loads then what?
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20:31<amphi>ifconfig -a should show the interface
20:31<black_13>i know enough to know that i have to associate the with eth0
20:31<black_13>"alias" correct?
20:32<black_13>can you really have an irq as high as 169?
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20:33<black_13>i though you only had 12 irqs?
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20:34<[Gork]>hello
20:34<kp>black_13: Newer x86 systems integrate an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) that conforms to the Intel APIC Architecture. These APICs support a programming interface for up to 255 physical hardware IRQ lines per APIC, with a typical system implementing support for only around 24 total hardware lines.
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20:35<black_13>kp AH
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20:35<amphi>black_13: I have 316 and 317 here - what that means, I couldn't say ;)
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20:38<[Gork]>i came like 1 1/2 hour ago, cuz im getting a black screen when i boot debian , they told me to just wait about 30 mins and its done
20:38<azeem>[Gork]: "they"?
20:38<[Gork]>i waited exactly 78 mins and still nothing happened
20:38<azeem>[Gork]: what graphics card do you have?
20:38<[Gork]>well, a user
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20:38<[Gork]>i think none
20:38<azeem>none?
20:38<abrotman>30 minutes for what to happen ?
20:38<azeem>you have no graphics card, but expect graphics to appear?
20:38<[Gork]>for it to work
20:38<black_13>!lspci
20:38<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lspci is a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or better. In the pciutils package, or see pciids, or ask me about <pciid>
20:39<[Gork]>how do i check my graphic card?
20:39<azeem>[Gork]: how old is the box?
20:39<[Gork]>box?
20:39<azeem>"computer"
20:39<[Gork]>like a year old
20:39<Ionicwake>managed to reconfigure xserver no change
20:40<azeem>[Gork]: do you get the black screen instantly, or after a couple of screenful of messages?
20:40<[Gork]>after a cpl of messages
20:40<azeem>[Gork]: how did you install Debian?
20:40<[Gork]>"small CD"
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20:41<azeem>[Gork]: try to hit ctrl+alt+f1 when you see the black screen, does it take you to a login: prompt?
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20:41<[Gork]>i think it did
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20:41<[Gork]>i tried typing all kinds of shit and once i got that
20:42<[Gork]>but what do i do after that?
20:43<azeem>eh?
20:43<azeem>it did what?
20:43<[Gork]>the login prompt
20:43<azeem>ok
20:43<azeem>so during the installation, you setup a user
20:43<azeem>and a password
20:43<[Gork]>yup
20:43<azeem>use that to loing
20:43<azeem>login*
20:44<[Gork]>i did and after that i stayed in the black screen , but with commands
20:44<azeem>so you logged in
20:44<azeem>now type EXACTLY "lspci | grep VGA"
20:45<azeem>and tell us about the result
20:45<[Gork]>k brb
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21:02<[Gork]>mmmmm
21:03<[Gork]>i tried the ctrl+alt+f1 and it didnt work this time
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21:03<chuy_max>hi, is it possible to instruct grub to boot automatically to a specified kernel just once?, that's so I can make a script that reads something like: restart to windows, restart to kernel 2.6, etc.
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21:08<[Gork]>anyone around?
21:08<tonypigz>o/
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21:13<[Gork]>h'low?
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21:14<azeem>[Gork]: try to boot into single-user mode/rescue mode then
21:14<[Gork]>ok
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21:22<gsimmons>chuy_max: See section 4.3.1 of the GRUB manual.
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21:23<PeluzhE>wena+
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21:24<PeluzhE>xddd
21:24<PeluzhE>la wah fome
21:24<PeluzhE>xd
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21:24<PeluzhE>wena
21:24<REALPRO>IK PAZAAA
21:24<PeluzhE>asd
21:24<PeluzhE>ad
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21:24<REALPRO>I K PAZA
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21:27<abrotman>wtf
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21:29<chuy_max>thanks gsimmons :D
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21:29<chuy_max>im testing it
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22:10<bellbian>help
22:10<bellbian>suport debian, chipset mainboard intel d33buc ?
22:11<abrotman>!es
22:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:11<abrotman>and it depends what's on the motherboard
22:11<bellbian>Intel d33buc
22:12<bellbian>Does not recognize the eth, video, not boot from DVD
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22:33<cwood>Quiet. People's machines must be functioning as advertised.
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22:51<rockstar>I have fetchmail delivering POP mail to a ~/Maildir account, but on this one user account, it's putting the messages in files that would match ~/Maildir/msg.* instead of ~/Maildir/new
22:51<rockstar>Anyone know what I might be doing wrong?
22:52<cwood>I know nothing of maildir... but I thought it was supposed to deliver them to individual files in the directory?
22:53<rockstar>cwood, yea, but it's not putting them in the right place. On the same system, I have a user that this works fine with.
22:53<abrotman>cwood: you had to jinx it didn't you?
22:54<cwood>I did, in fact.
22:54<cwood>What's the difference between the config that works and the config that doesn't, then? Maybe diff them and see.
22:54<abrotman>the Maildir/new/ is for unread messages
22:54<rockstar>abrotman, yeah, and it functions as advertised on one system.
22:55<rockstar>s/system/account
22:55<rockstar>But the same setup on another account (same server) is putting all new messages in ~/Maildir/msg.*
22:55<abrotman>same fetchmail/procmail settings?
22:56<rockstar>Yup
22:56<rockstar>No procmail right now actually, just fetchmail to the Maildir
23:01<Supaplex>fetchmail leaves holes in my messages, and they're a little soggy
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23:01<rockstar>Supaplex, I think that's the dog getting your mail
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23:02<cwood>But really, how are the two accounts configured? .fetchmailrc?
23:03<rockstar>Yea, with fetchmail on a cron. Dovecot is serving out IMAP
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23:03<cwood>so perhaps diff the two .fetchmailrc files
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23:04<rockstar>yea, I copied the working one to create the new one
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23:05<rockstar>And it looks like, upon further investigation, the old config USED to do this, and stopped somehow, and has been working ever since.
23:05<cwood>Stopped somehow, started again, also somehow?
23:05<cwood>Can fetchmail log? I don't recall. Perhaps enable logging for both accounts, so you can see what's happening.
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23:06<twb>Oooooh, pain.
23:06<rockstar>cwood, yea, fetchmail just says "checking mail, getting 1 message" kind of stuff.
23:06<twb>I tried to set up blootbot (which is what dpkg is) and it INSISTS on having mysql
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23:07<RIVE>Hello. good night.
23:07<cwood>Hm. Are they both invoking fetchmail with the same command line?
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23:07<rockstar>Yup
23:07<cwood>I notice from the man page that you can double up verbose options... fetchmail -v -v
23:08<cwood>Any more joy from that?
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23:08<rockstar>Yea, I tried that too.
23:09<cwood>I wonder, if you touched ~/Maildir/new -- would fetchmail deliver there?
23:09<rockstar>Well, there's a folder called ~/Maildir/new
23:09<cwood>Just a passing thought, though. I am unexperienced with your problem.
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23:39<kp>anyone around i can ping off ideas about some dns questions?
23:40<cwood>don't ask to ask, just ask
23:40<cwood>and yes
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23:41<kp>I dont have control over the domain dns, but I want to setup a secondary, but also use the domain to access a shoutcast server I have locally. im trying to figure out how I would do this
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23:42<kp>baiscally: http://www.domain.com.com:8000/listen.pls ---> http://my.ip.here.com:8000/listen.pls
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23:42<twb>Just put your DNS server in front and tell it to be "authoritative" for that domain
23:42<cwood>Secondary servers are something configured on the primary server, iirc... you can always configure yours to be authoritative, and then keep an eye on what the other person is doing if that matters.
23:42<kp>I dont have a dns server of my own, I can start one on my network, the same server as the shoutcast server
23:43<kp>hmm ok
23:43<kp>authoritative... didnt know about that
23:43<kp>ty :)
23:44<cwood>Like set yours up as a primary, but with the same info. Of course, then you're boned if the actual primary's information changes, and their mail server moves or something, and you need the right information.
23:44<kp>so bascically copying all config files to my dns...
23:44<cwood>Yeah.
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23:44<cwood>Or maybe you could ask the other person politely if you could be a secondary, or add a subdomain, or something.
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23:46<twb>kp: am I right in thinking that what you want to do is have a local DNS server that your boxes are pointed at, which is identical to some other "upstream" server except that it redirects one domain to some non-standard place?
23:47<kp>twb, sounds like exactly what i want to do.
23:47<twb>Yeah, that is trivial
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23:47<twb>I do it with dnsmasq by just adding the fqdn and new IP to /etc/hosts
23:48<kp>the web server is in one guys home, the primary dns is elsewhere. I have a shoutcast server that I need to set a dns entry for, instead of my IP. It's a tad crazy as the web host, and dns have changed hands so many times.
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23:49<kp>I'm prolly making this harder than what it is..
23:49<kp>ugh
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23:50<cwood>You just need one address to resolve to one (semi-permanent) ip for your whole network, right?
23:50<kp>yea, that would work
23:51<twb>An example of what I'm talking about would be where you have an ISP's dns server and a LAN. On the LAN you have a DNS server on your OpenWRT and you tell it (dnsmasq) to tell DNS clients thats ad.thingy.net points to 192.168.1.254, which either doesn't exist or doesn't have an http server -- so that web browsers fail to fetch ads.
23:51<cwood>So as twb said, use /etc/hosts for your network. If it's a big network, set your BIND configs to be authoritative for that address only.
23:52<twb>"authoritative" means the DNS server tells all clients that *it* (that server) is the telling the "ultimate truth"; it's not relaying possibly-stale information from another DNS server.
23:52<twb>...I think.
23:52<cwood>Yes.
23:53<cwood>Authoritative means it's a primary or secondary dns server. Otherwise it's simply caching queries from the authoritative server, using the $TTL entry.
23:53<kp>ok.. im soaking in the info...
23:53<cwood>The only difference between primary and secondary that I can see is that secondary servers have scheduled downloads of information from primary servers, whereas primary servers have the actual configs.
23:53<kp>yeah^
23:54<twb>I think kp doesn't actually mean a secondary server
23:54<kp>nope
23:54<twb>He means a downstream server
23:54<cwood>caching server
23:54<twb>secondary DNS servers just relay information, acting as local caches
23:54<twb>...right?
23:55<cwood>I think that's a caching server... like if you started a BIND daemon on your machine right now, that would not be secondary for any domain.
23:55<kp>So anyone going to domain.com:8000 actaully connects to a seperate web & dns server which is servering up streaming content.
23:57<cwood>kp: Yeah, you'd have your local network's dns server lying about being the primary dns server for the address in question.
23:57<kp>that make more sense?^
23:57<kp>ahhh
23:57<kp>so point everything to that domain/ip
23:57<kp>from my dns server?
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