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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-04-20

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00:26<pabs>how can I set the default hal mount options for vfat volumes?
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01:17<k-man>how can i determine what kind of filesystem is on a device?
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01:18<amphi>file -s /dev/foo
01:18<cwood>run mount
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01:20<k-man>amphi, awesome, thanks
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01:21<k-man>its "unix fast file system"
01:21<k-man>and my kernel doesn't seem to recognise it
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01:24<amphi>k-man: that's a bsd fs I believe
01:24<snogglethorpe>amphi: isn't there a somehwath limited linux fs for it, called "ufs"?
01:25<snogglethorpe>i seem to recall it wasn't really production ready but maybe could be used for grovelling a filesystem...
01:26<amphi>snogglethorpe: rings a vague bell - RO perhaps?
01:26<snogglethorpe>amphi: yeah that sounds right though I don't know how much it's developed over the years...
01:29<k-man>amphi, yeah, i think your right
01:29<k-man>ufs couldn't mount it
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01:34<mike>hi all, i need a little help with installing a network card module
01:35<amphi>mike: which one?
01:35<mike>bcm5700 on 2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel
01:36<amphi>what's the problem? I know nothing of that particular driver, BTW
01:36<mike>ah ok
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01:36<mike>well, i've used module-assistant to get it built/installed
01:36<mike>but now when i do 'modprobe -i bcm5700'
01:37<mike>i get unknown symbol errors
01:37<mike>"Unknown symbol register_ioctl32_conversion"
01:37<mike>"Unknown symbol unregister_ioctl32_conversion"
01:37<mike>any ideas?
01:37<amphi>perhaps it needs a newer kernel? I guess
01:38<mike>well from my reading it looks like the latest kernel supports the bcm5700 natively, although I can't find this info in any official sources
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01:40<amphi>'latest kernel'?
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01:40<mike>2.6.25 i think
01:41<mike>like I said though, I couldn't find out if that driver is supported natively
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01:43<mike>is there a way that I can find out if it is native (without installing the kernel)??
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01:44<k-man>mike, you could download the kernel source and have a look
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01:45<amphi>mike: I don't find any bcm other than bcm43xx in make menuconfig in 2.6.25
01:46<mike>hmmm
01:47<mike>ok i may have found another fix (although I might need some help getting this to work
01:47<mike>there is a bug report stating that the symbols modprobe is complaining about aren't in the kernel from 2.6.14
01:48<mike>(on 64 bit architectures)
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01:49<nm>hi *
01:50<nm>we are using T7500 due core, kernel amd64
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01:50<nm>so I have many problem w/ 64bit application support, macromedia flash
01:51<nm>have any debian reponsitories for update lib in libia32, instead of download & copy these lib manualy ?
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01:55<kevin>Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me with my problem.
01:56<kevin>I'm running Debian Etch on a Compaq R3000, and my mouse is incredibly slow to move across the screen.
01:56<kevin>I looked at my xorg.conf, and the only thing that looked wrong was that it was "ImPS2" and not "PS2." I editted it, and it's still very slow.
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02:01<amphi>mike: I just looked, there's only b43 in compat-wireless, also
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02:03<IgorLinux>hi, anybody knows how-to update to gnome 2.20 on etch?
02:03<nm>Hi all, My laptop don't have cd-rom, so I install debian using debian-installer. After installation successfully, amd64 architecture was chosen. So have any way to install my laptop with 32bit kernel & app ?
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02:14<mike>amphi: did some more reading, apparently an alternative driver to use is the tg3 one... I'll give that a go and I'll let you know how I go!
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02:18<amphi>mike: good luck
02:20<mike>amphi: thanks, although I'm not too sure how to get the tg3 module running... I added it to '/etc/modules', did 'modprobe -i tg3' and I still don't have eth0 working... any ideas?
02:21<amphi>anything in syslog?
02:21<mike>nothing referring to eth0
02:21<mike>(or tg3)
02:22<mike>i probably missed a few steps
02:22<mike>ah well i think its still trying to load the bcm5700 driver which can't be helping
02:23<mike>oh wait, that was a msg from 2 hours ago
02:23<mike>oops!
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02:26<mike>lsmod is showing tg3 as well
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03:00<mike>amphi: trying to reinstall debian amd64 so I can force it to detect the tg3 network driver, but every time i select it from the menu, the screen flashes and it returns to the selection
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03:49<deavid>hi :-)
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03:59<guglielmo>xdcc send #27
04:00<guglielmo> xdcc send #27
04:02<cahoot>wnnabe hacker?
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04:49<camel__>is there a way I can run a debian amd64 installer from a gentoo i386 system? i've just been given a box, it's amd64 hardware (and has 8gb of ram) but it's running 32-bit gentoo. no cdrom, no floppy
04:49<camel__>i have just a network connection
04:50<muep_>camel__: can you boot from usb?
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04:51<camel__>muep_: oh man ;( i think i *could* (i do have keyboard/video into this box) but i don't have any usb media!! :(
04:51<camel__>the best idea i have atm is try to build an appropriate kernel on a remote amd64 machine (which i do have access to)
04:51<camel__>then just brutally install that kernel, boot it, and run 32-bit debootstrap from the gentoo machine
04:51<camel__>(to their credit, debootstrap is in gentoo :)
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04:56<muep_>I have found intallations from usb greatly faster than from cd
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04:57<camel__>welp, gonna try this build-a-kernel-elsewhere-and-run-it idea
04:57<camel__>bbiab
04:57<camel__>:)
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04:57<obiwan_>hi,
04:59<obiwan_>I try to configure my php.ini file to allow the email sending but I don't know what I have to do.
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05:15<KaiSVK>hi all
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05:16<oscar_>hola
05:16<oscar_>alguien que hable castelano?
05:16<oscar_>castellano
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05:35<rosminet>good morning/evening, do you know a free certificat autority ?
05:38<nevyn>cacert.org
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05:41<rosminet>thanks nevyn
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05:41<floe>ls
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05:47<homer>Hello to all of you
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05:47<homer>some small thing that drives me crazy now.
05:48<homer>I want to write a script that displays the date (with eval date) to screen and save to a file
05:49<homer>don't know how to do the two things together with redirection
05:49<homer>can anyone help me?????
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05:51<Gathond>I don't think redirection allows you to do both
05:52<Gathond>just put it into a file, then read that file to the display
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05:56<homer>I want to write a script that displays the date (with eval date) to screen and save to a file
05:56<homer>don't know how to do the two things together with redirection
05:57<Gathond>I don't think redirection allows you to do both, just output it to a file, then read that and display it
05:57<Gathond>or read it into variable, then display that and save it
05:58<homer>oh, in that case i feel much better, thought it's supposed to be done with redirection for some reason
05:59<homer>thanks man i will do that
05:59<Gathond>I only think you can redirect it, not clone it along the way
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06:01<snogglethorpe>homer: try the "tee" command
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06:06<dan>Gathond, yeh I think you are right, i tried it so many times never succeeding in doing so
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06:07<homer>Gathond, any way the variable use is clean and work just fine
06:07<Gathond>homer: snogglethorpe might be right about tee being able to clone the data though
06:08<snogglethorpe>if you want to write to a file and also to stdout, that's exactly what tee does....
06:08<snogglethorpe>can't say I've actually needed to do that though
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06:11<CorrsFan>Hi, I'm playing with the cgroup feature of the new 2.6.24 kernel but I must be doing something wrong because the commands in the Documentation/cgroups.txt file don't work for me
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06:11<CorrsFan>When I trie to add a PID to the tasks file, I get a "no space left on device error"
06:11<CorrsFan>anybody got any ideas?
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06:13<homer>snogglethorpe, thanks I will read about it,
06:13<homer>Gathond, thank you to, but i have another ques on the way
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06:13<homer>how do i make who print it's printout in seperate lines?
06:13<homer>each user in it's own line of output
06:14<Gathond>mine does that
06:14<homer>thanks
06:14<Gathond>or what do you mean, who prints one user per line here, multiple lines if a used is logged in
06:14<homer>thanks guys
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06:34<maxb>Is there a debhelper command or similar to get the name of the binary package being built, from a debian/rules ?
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06:40<sk_>Hi
06:40<sk_>Hello
06:40<Smurfie>hi
06:41<Smurfie>If you have a question, just ask the question, please.
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06:41<sk_>OK.
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06:41<sk_>let me ask a question:
06:41<sk_>:
06:41<Smurfie>k
06:42<sk_>Is it safe to install MP500 printer driver provided by Takushi Miyoshi?
06:42<sk_>Takushi Miyoshi
06:43<Smurfie>Is that driver in one of the Debian repositories, like in universe or multiverse?
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06:43<Gekz>Smurfie: you ubuntu user...
06:43<Smurfie>If not, the question is too difficult for me to answer.
06:43<Smurfie>Yes Gekz?
06:43<Gekz>lol
06:44<sk_>Im a debian user
06:44<Gekz>debian doesnt use universe or multivers
06:44<Gekz>sk_: is it in the repos
06:44<Smurfie>Hey, I'm just a newbie on Debian. ;-)
06:44<sk_>Which repo? gekz?
06:44<Smurfie>Oh, that is Ubuntu specific?
06:44<Gekz>sk_: the one and only debian repo lol
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06:44<Gekz>Smurfie: yeah
06:44*Smurfie slaps himself
06:44<sk_>its not on the official repos at least.
06:44<Gekz>sk_: make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list
06:44<Gekz>yes well
06:45<Gekz>make sure you have contrib and non-free
06:45<Gekz>on the list with main
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06:45<sk_>you mean, add contrib/non-free next to "main"??
06:45<Gekz>yes
06:45<Gekz>contrib non-free
06:46<Gekz>no slash, just spaces
06:46<sk_>K
06:46<Gekz>then apt-get update, then search again
06:46<sk_>...wait
06:46<sk_>im doing it
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06:48<Smurfie>contrib non-free, I will remember that, tnx Gekz.
06:48<sk_>No,
06:48<Smurfie>Might as well try to not make a fool of myself while I'm here. ;-)
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06:50<sk_>gekz, it doesnt work
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06:51<Gekz>Smurfie: lol
06:51<Gekz>sk_: ok
06:51<Gekz>part 2
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06:51<Gekz>is the drivers you have linux drivers?
06:51<Gekz>or windows drivers?
06:52<sk_>Canon provides linux drivers on their web site but
06:52<sk_>it didnt work.
06:52<sk_>and
06:52<sk_>I found an alternative idea
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06:53<sk_>to use a linux driver provided by Miyoshi
06:53<Gekz>give it a go then
06:53<Gekz>if you're confident you can track it down and remove it if you need to
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06:54<sk_>but how can i verify it is safe?
06:55<Gekz>I cant see how it would destroy anything
06:55<Gekz>its a printer driver
06:55<Smurfie>Depends on your definition of "safe", I should say.
06:56<sk_>mmm..
06:56<Smurfie>Do you trust the author, does he participate in support mailing lists, does he have a history of writing safe code, etc.
06:56<Smurfie>Or don't you know anything about him?
06:57<Smurfie>But then again like Gekz said, it's just a printer driver.
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06:57<sk_>He explains about the driver at
06:57<sk_>http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/japanese.html#history
06:57<Smurfie>What is your personal level of paranoia? ;-)
06:57<Gekz>lol
06:57<Gekz>no internet for me
06:58<sk_>K
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06:58<sk_>he seems to be in japanese debian mailinglist
06:59<sk_>I can assume trustable.
06:59<Smurfie>Sounds cool.
06:59*Smurfie nods
06:59<sk_>but
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06:59<Smurfie>Yes sk_, what *is* your worry?
07:00<sk_>If it worked fine, how can I report that it did work fine?]
07:00<sk_>dont know where to report.
07:00<Smurfie>Well, I think the author may have an email address.
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07:00<Smurfie>Since he participates on a mailing list.
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07:00<sk_>yea
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07:02<sk_>I can contact him, is that it?]
07:02<Smurfie>I suippose, but I really can't answer that question.
07:02<Smurfie>s/i//
07:03<tq|Memphis>i getting problem at deleting files (they are locked) and i want to delete them but it doesnt delete with rmdir..
07:03<tq|Memphis>says files have somthing you can not delete
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07:03<tq|Memphis>i want to delete files but it doesnt let me ..
07:03<tq|Memphis>pls help this poor guy
07:03<Smurfie>With sudo, or root access?
07:03<fxiny>any file.lock in /tmp ?
07:04<tq|Memphis>yes with root access
07:04<tq|Memphis>fxiny: what you mean?
07:04<Smurfie>k
07:04<fxiny>tq|Memphis: ls -al /tmp
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07:05<tq|Memphis>i paste you
07:05<Smurfie>!paste
07:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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07:06<sk_>dpkg, i'd like to ask you about debian repos.
07:07<Smurfie>dpkg is a bot, but I'm sure he has that knowledge.
07:07<Smurfie>hm
07:07<sk_>bot???
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07:07<sk_>bot cannot warn.
07:07<Smurfie>Yes, you give it 'commands' and it responds appropriately.
07:07<Gekz>!repo
07:07<dpkg>repo is probably a repository (mirrors), where debian package archives are stored.
07:07<Gekz>!mirrors
07:07<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
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07:08<Gekz>I think not.
07:08<Gekz>!repository
07:08<dpkg>well, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
07:08<Gekz>bah screw it.
07:08<sk_>dpkg, are you a bot?
07:08<Smurfie>Well, it responds appropriately most of the time. ;-)
07:08<Gekz>lol
07:08<Gekz>so.
07:08<Gekz>I'm trying to force my via c3 to stay at its lowest possible cpu speed
07:08<Gekz>how can I do that
07:09<sk_>never seen suvh clever bot
07:09<Smurfie>Me too, sk_.
07:09<Smurfie>Or, me neither...
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07:10<Smurfie>Graphics, not my strength.
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07:12<furianin>;D
07:12<furianin>Pytanie mam czy widaæ mo¿e polsk± czcionke?
07:12<Smurfie>!cz
07:12<dpkg>cz is probably Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
07:12<weasel>Gekz: cpufreq-set -g powersafe?
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07:15<Gekz>weasel: and what will that do exactly?
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07:15<sk_>yea it has difficult options..
07:18<weasel>Gekz: I'm sure it's documented in the manpage
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07:25<sk_>Gekz:Some cpu may not be capable of frequency modification.
07:25<sk_>because,
07:25<sk_>my cpufreq-info says:
07:26<sk_>no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU
07:26<sk_>bye.
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07:29<homer>Gathond, hey sorry for disappearing before
07:29<waterploof>hey boys (and girls)
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07:30<homer>what i meant by print user per line is that if the who command returns multiple users info, it will print each in a seperate line
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07:33<homer>Gathond, when i do who in a terminal window i get userName pts/0 DateTime in three different rows
07:33<homer>Gathond, but if i do it in a script i get it in one long line
07:33<Gathond>yes, and one line per user
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07:34<Gathond>you mean if you store it in a variable?
07:34<Gathond>probably, something about how the breaks are interpreted I think
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07:36<homer>so how do I deal with it?? couldn't find info of that
07:37<homer>can i do some kind of a foreach loop to take each line seperately and appand it to a file
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07:37<homer>?
07:37<nahsan>huh
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07:39<till>hi
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07:41<nahsan>hello till
07:42<sk_>hi, till
07:42<nahsan>hey sk
07:42<sk_>yes?
07:43<homer>Gathond, ........
07:44<nahsan>new to xchat
07:44<nahsan>i can't see the user list
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07:59<tq|Memphis>what is rmdir command which also deletes documents in file
08:00<tq|Memphis>for example /a/index.h
08:00<tq|Memphis>i want to remove a file ( also it should remove index.h)
08:01<ppikula>rm -r a/
08:03<tq|Memphis>thnx
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08:05<tq|Memphis>ppikula: what is command for a.zip to a.tar.gz
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08:16<valdyn>tq|Memphis: there's no such command
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08:17<tq|Memphis>yes i see :)
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08:17<tq|Memphis>but it should be :p
08:17<tq|Memphis>do you know how to run INSTALL.php file
08:17<tq|Memphis>there is no ./configure or something like that
08:17<valdyn>tq|Memphis: not at all
08:18<valdyn>tq|Memphis: a webserver with php enabled can run it
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08:19<tq|Memphis>hee ok
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08:49<blackgoth>!iptables
08:49<dpkg>methinks iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450
08:50<Gekz>!ipchains
08:50<dpkg>from memory, ipchains is a rewrite of the Linux IPv4 firewalling code (which was mainly borrowed from BSD) and a rewrite of ipfwadm, which was a rewrite of BSD's ipfw, I believe. It is required to administer the IP packet filters in Linux kernel versions 2.1.102 and above. or Which is surpassed in kernel 2.3 (and 2.4 when released) by netfilter, which you can get and compile at netfilter.kernelnotes.org, or a regular in the channel
08:50<Gekz>lol ipchains info is so old
08:50<Gekz>it should say "replaced by iptables"
08:51<Smurfie>Maybe the maintainer is overworked and underpaid?
08:51<Gekz>Smurfie: lol its a community bot
08:51<Smurfie>oic
08:51<Smurfie>You mean you and I could contribute?
08:56<Smurfie>Sorry if that is an inconvenient question...
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08:57*weasel thinks the ipchains entry is a nice piece of history
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09:10<mysupper>my dmesg is filled with connection attempts logged by iptables.
09:10<mysupper>...
09:10<mysupper>don't know what neighbors doing. :)
09:11<Smurfie>That's 'normal' for iptables, in my experience.
09:11<mysupper>like this..
09:11<mysupper>Connection attempt (PRIV): IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:18:f3:19:4e:bc:00:0f:f7:f6:7b:00:08:00 SRC=211.51.80.250 DST=211.51.48.160 LEN=64 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=119 ID=11156 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=37186 DPT=135 WINDOW=2304 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
09:11<Smurfie>iptables just blocks all those connection attempts, so don't worry about it.
09:11<weasel>well, if you tell netfilter to log it will log
09:12<weasel>what are you complaining about?
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09:12<Smurfie>Check in /var/log for a file called dmesg (or bootlog) if you want to check bootup messages.
09:12<mysupper>weasel , don't be panic. I am not complaining.
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09:13<mysupper>Actually, I am pretty much satisfied with etch desktop these days.
09:14<Smurfie>You use Gnome, or KDE?
09:14<mysupper>http://mysupper.wooriweb.net/zbxe/photo/5053
09:14<mysupper>that is my desktop.
09:14<Smurfie>And what did you use before that?
09:14<mysupper>working very fine.
09:14<Smurfie>Good to hear.
09:14<mysupper>M$.
09:14<Smurfie>oic
09:15<Smurfie>Well, I am glad you're happy with what you have now. ;-)
09:15<mysupper>And I really wish ati driver developers make beryl and compiz work on dual headed vgas.
09:16<Smurfie>We all have wishes, especially such wishes.
09:16<mysupper>if those possible,,my desktop will be splendid with lights. :)
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09:16<Smurfie>Wait and see, or write the necessary code yourself. ;-)
09:17<mysupper>I'm just a old guy and my major is not computing things. :)
09:17<Smurfie>hehe
09:17<Smurfie>I'm a maintainer, not a developer.
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09:18<Smurfie>So I generaaly use the wait and see approach to such issues. ;-)
09:18<Smurfie>s/aa/al/
09:18<mysupper>I started to use my server pretty long time ago ( 9 yrs?) But I found out these days I can enjoy with linux desktop.
09:19<mysupper>I chose debian stable release and that says " no problem at all".
09:19<Smurfie>Sounds good to me, even though I don't really understand that last sentence.
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09:19<Smurfie>These days you can enjoy with linux desktop?
09:19<mysupper>even though I can't code anything. :)
09:20<Smurfie>I can code, I just usually choose not to.
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09:20<mysupper>yea..about 6-7 yrs ago...for example, gimp frequently died ...
09:20<Smurfie>6 years is an eon in software development.
09:20<mysupper>but these days gimps working very stabilized.
09:20<Smurfie>Good to hear.
09:21<mysupper>I don't have to use stolen photoshop anymore.
09:21<Smurfie>heh
09:22<mysupper>Last Saturday, I chaged printer sharing using debian etch. And cups server worked perfectly with hp 6180.
09:22<Smurfie>There goes my dream of using XP under Xen to run all those fabulous Mickeysoft Office apps I never need to run. ;-)
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09:22<mysupper>Hmm ,, for me , ,,
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09:22<mysupper>if I have to do banking...
09:22<mysupper>I use virtual box from Sun coorp.
09:23<Smurfie>If I can't run a Web app under Firefox, I just don't run it.
09:23<mysupper>hmm...the firefox..
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09:23<aronzak>or iceweasel
09:23<Smurfie>Yeah, but what else is there?
09:24<Smurfie>Konqueror? ;-)
09:24<mysupper>well...that's working good. but I saw some ugly pages coded only for IE.
09:24<mysupper>I use only firefox.
09:24<Smurfie>Though I must admit, even Konqueror has gotten better over the years.
09:25<Smurfie>I only have one reason to complain about KDE.
09:25<mysupper>you use KDE?
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09:25<Smurfie>When I drag the mouse elsewhere on the touchpad of this brand new Dell Inspiron 1525, it's like someone else keeps hitting the left mouse button at inoppurtune moments.
09:25<Smurfie>Yes, I use Kubuntu.
09:25<mysupper>I'm gnome user and Krusader for file managements.
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09:26<mysupper>and I found out kftpgrabber was awesome.
09:27<Smurfie>I'm waiting for a good moment to reinstall the laptop with Ubuntu (+ Gnome) to see if that makes a difference.
09:27<Smurfie>If not, it's Dell Support who has to help me.
09:27<mysupper>I guess I will use kftpgrabber as ftp client for a long time
09:27<Smurfie>I'm glad you like those apps.
09:27<mysupper>I've never used ubuntu.
09:27<Smurfie>Ubuntu is just a layer over Debian.
09:28<Smurfie>They say it's the user-frindliness layer. ;-)
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09:28<mysupper>I installed some..10 ftp clients..the best was kftpgrabber.
09:28<Smurfie>I just had to check that out for myself.
09:28<mysupper>user friendly?
09:28<Smurfie>Yeah.
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09:28<mysupper>debian is the best simple OS.
09:28<Smurfie>"Bringing Debian to the desktop" ;-)
09:28<mysupper>even simpler than M$.
09:29<Smurfie>Statistics say, Ubuntu is quite popular.
09:29<davi>M$ is not an OS it is a nightmare
09:29<mysupper>I don't think M$ not good. I think it too expensive. :(
09:30<mysupper>I can buy and use that..but what about other applications...I will not tolerate that high costs.
09:30<Smurfie>I don't consider money often, I find design flaws more interesting to focus on.
09:30<davi>mysupper, it is not about price, it is about freedom and quality
09:30<mysupper>Smurfie no..the money ..that's the problem.
09:31<Smurfie>But yes, the license fees can add up to surprisingly large amounts.
09:31<aronzak>http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/47221/index.html
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09:31<davi>I predict some ubuntu users will go to debian due to it is community managed. Not corporate control.
09:31<Smurfie>I got here because of apt-get. ;-)
09:31<Gekz>lol
09:31<Gekz>are you serious
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09:32<Smurfie>Quite serious, yes.
09:32<mysupper>hmm,,well ubuntu will go..but debian will go and go long after the ubuntu.
09:32<Smurfie>I am an OpenBSD users, but I wanted Linux on the new laptop.
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09:32<Smurfie>s/rs/r/
09:32<Smurfie>For the superiour support of recent hardware.
09:33<mysupper>OB worked pretty well on my servers. But these days I became lazy ,,,so I changed them with debian.
09:33<davi>mysupper, I predict it will come the day when Ubuntu (Canonical) will close. That will not happen with Debian.
09:33<noflash>ubuntu is off topic in here
09:33<davi>ubuntu is off topic every where
09:33<mysupper>ok. no more ubuntu thigns.
09:33<mysupper>let ubuntu go.
09:33<Smurfie>No BSD has a user base as big as most Linux distros.
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09:34<Smurfie>Oh wait, maybe BSD is off topic too. ;-)
09:34<mysupper>:)
09:34<noflash>it is
09:34<davi>What BSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD ?
09:34<aronzak>FreeBSD is vaguely on topic
09:34<Smurfie>I use OpenBSD, but of course the others are BSDs, too.
09:34<aronzak>it is somewhat useable on the desktop
09:34<Smurfie>Free is the biggest BSD.
09:34<davi>let talk only about our family
09:34<aronzak>without your head imploding
09:35<Smurfie>I started out with Linux many years ago.
09:35<noflash>davi, unless the family is using debian that'd be off topic too
09:35<noflash>:)
09:35<davi>shit :)
09:35<aronzak>gnu/hurd?
09:35<Smurfie>A non-Debian Linux distro I'm afraid.
09:36<davi>hurd is a no way. Linux is current and the future
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09:36<Smurfie>Back then you had Volberdings Slackware.
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09:36<mysupper>hmm..
09:36<davi>RMS/FSF is a no way too
09:36<cogwheel>davi, agreed :)
09:36<Smurfie>Download 45 floppies and try to install it. ;-)
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09:36<mysupper>I found out a article I wrote several yrs ago.
09:36<mysupper>http://kltp.kldp.org/stories.php?story=01/09/26/2793852
09:36<davi>Free Software and democracy is the way to go, not RMS/FSF
09:36<mysupper>this was in 2001. :)
09:37<cogwheel>well without gnu there wouldn't be gnu/linux ;)
09:37<cogwheel>i like gnu but i wouldn't really care to use hurd, since linux is far more complete
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09:37<Smurfie>Big silence as everyone fires up their browsers...
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09:37<cogwheel>yeah.. 8 seconds of silence
09:37<tq|Memphis>how can i run /var/www/phpmyadmin ?
09:37<davi>GNU rocks, Free Software rocks, democracy rocks, dictatorship does not rocks
09:37<kjetil_>"gnu/linux" *shrugs*
09:37<mysupper>unhappily,,,I installed djbdns these days using that article I wrote I can't remember. :)
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09:38<Smurfie>Oh, it's kewl, in Chinese characters!
09:38<aronzak>korean
09:38<cogwheel>tq|Memphis, if it's set to be +x and is NOT a directory, just enter it as a command
09:38<mysupper>yea..right. KR>
09:38<aronzak>as the name k... suggests
09:38<cogwheel>tq|Memphis, but since it's in /var/www... i guess you should fire up your favorite web browser instead and go to http://localhost/phpmyadmin
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09:38<tq|Memphis>+x mean?
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09:38<tq|Memphis>oke
09:38<Smurfie>DJB, hm, I seem to recollect that guy...
09:39<cogwheel>tq|Memphis, /var/www/* == http://localhost/* ;)
09:39<mysupper>hmm..djbdns?...
09:39<mysupper>it's very simple and robust.
09:39<mysupper>that's all.
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09:39<tq|Memphis>cogwheel; when i wrote "http://localhost/phpmyadmin" firefox asking me to download PHTML File ??!?!?
09:39<cogwheel>tq|Memphis, +x is a permission mode (just as readable and writeable are), means "executable". only files with +x can be run as a command
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09:40<Smurfie>He wrote some email software, and whenever anyone it ever mentioned, in whatever Usenet group, he joined the group to, uhm, to discuss the issue. ;-)
09:40<cogwheel>tq|Memphis, you sure you have php installed?
09:40<tq|Memphis>no i'm not
09:40<cogwheel>k that's probably your problem
09:40<tq|Memphis>it isnt installed yet?
09:40<cogwheel>sudo apt-get install php5
09:40<cogwheel>do that
09:40<tq|Memphis>kk
09:40<mysupper>the qmail?...well I don't know..I don't use mail daemon on ly server..:)
09:41<Smurfie>Yeah, qmail.
09:41<mysupper>qmail is not so simple and I don't need it.
09:41<mysupper>because...my phone rocks! :)
09:41<Smurfie>Someone mentioned that program over in alt.sysadmin.recovery, in some sort of joke, and voila: there he was, defending qmail. ;-)
09:41<tq|Memphis>Unpacking php5 (from .../php5_5.2.0-8+etch10_all.deb) ...
09:41<tq|Memphis>Setting up php5 (5.2.0-8+etch10) ...
09:41<tq|Memphis>Memphis:/var/www#
09:42<tq|Memphis>is it done?
09:42<Smurfie>Then we had reports that he did that in *any* Usenet group.
09:42<cogwheel>k now try http://localhost/phpmyadmin
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09:42<Smurfie>Mention qmail, and he appears.
09:42<tq|Memphis>still wants to download something from http://localhost/phpmyadmin
09:42<cogwheel>hmm
09:42<tq|Memphis>reload system ?
09:43<Smurfie>Oh well, not a biggie.
09:43-!-Shinn [~ray_shinn@bas1-cooksville01-1279393966.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
09:43<Smurfie>I hear qmail works fine for those who use it.
09:43<Shinn>Hello
09:43<cogwheel>tq|Memphis, no need to, just run this: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
09:43<mysupper>well...actually I don't know that much about qmail. But..djbdns is very good.
09:43<Shinn>Hello?
09:43<Smurfie>I'm sure it is, I never doubted his technical expertise.
09:43<Smurfie>Hello Shinn.
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09:43<Smurfie>If you have a question, just ask.
09:44<Shinn>ah Hi thought i was not connected properly
09:44<Smurfie>np
09:44<Shinn>um ok, see the thing is...I am very new to Linux
09:44<Shinn>I am wondering if you any of you would be kind enough to help a noob
09:44<Smurfie>Just be specific.
09:44<mysupper>shinn , don't worry just install X and play with it.
09:45<Shinn>everyone I ask tell me..if you don't know linux use windows..but..everyone needs to start somewhere ne?
09:45<Shinn>ah ok great! Thank you much Sirs =)
09:45<Shinn>well can you please tell me how I should install this first?
09:45<Shinn>I am very confused on all the image files and whatnot
09:45<Nemoder>what kind of computer do you have?
09:46<Shinn>I want to install the stable version
09:46<mysupper>Shinn , yea...start with debian iso cd image , stable release.
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09:46<Smurfie>That should all be documented extensively on the Web I think.
09:46<mysupper>Shinn , not with netinstall .
09:46<Shinn>ok I'll check it out now
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09:47<Shinn>Download larger CD/DVD image files, record and install using that media only.
09:47<Shinn>is it under that?
09:47<mysupper>shinn, and please buy a hard disk just for debian. grub and partitioning thing will torture you if you don't know those.
09:47<mysupper>shinn, so please buy a hdd.
09:47<Nemoder>mysupper: why do you not recommend net install?
09:48<Shinn>you mean like an external hard Drive?
09:48<mysupper>Nemoder , apt thing will be a burden to newbies.
09:48<mysupper>shinn, yes.
09:48<Shinn>yep I have it!
09:48<mysupper>then insert cd and intall with all <enter>.
09:49<mysupper>you will see gdm waiting for you.
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09:49<Shinn>[alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch]
09:49<Shinn>do I need all these?
09:49<Shinn>this is where I am cnfused
09:50<mysupper>...
09:50<Shinn>what do I download off the site
09:50<Nemoder>Shinn: what kind of computer do you have?
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09:50<Shinn>I have a dell intel
09:50<Shinn>duel core
09:50<Nemoder>Shinn: what cpu?
09:50<Nemoder>ah
09:50<Nemoder>then you'll probably want either amd64 or i386
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09:50<Shinn>oh I see
09:50<Shinn>makes so much more sense lol
09:51<Shinn>what if it's a really old IBM?
09:51<Nemoder>then probably just i386
09:51<Shinn>I think Pentium 3
09:51<Shinn>or 2
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09:51<lazy>-_-!
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09:52<Shinn>ok so I download all those files under that i386
09:52<Shinn>correct?
09:53<Nemoder>technically you only need CD-1 to start the install
09:53<Nemoder>but if you want all the software available then get all the CD-* images
09:53<HaMMiE>hi
09:54<aronzak>hi
09:54<Shinn>oh I see
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09:54<Nemoder>personally I think the net installer is easier but if there is any problems detecting hardware or network then it can be very difficult to fix
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09:55<Shinn>hmm then should I give the net installer a shot then?
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09:56<Nemoder>It has worked well for me
09:56<Shinn>ok
09:56<Shinn>could you provide me a link or tell me what I need off the site
09:57<Nemoder>if you want to run 64bit software get the amd64 image, if you want 32bit then get the i386 image
09:58<noflash>Shinn, debian.org/doc there is an installation manual and the reference is good too
09:59<Shinn> MD5SUMS 18-Feb-2008 21:44 1.8K
09:59<Shinn>[ ] MD5SUMS.sign 18-Feb-2008 21:56 189
09:59<Shinn>[ ] SHA1SUMS 18-Feb-2008 21:44 2.0K
09:59<Shinn>[ ] SHA1SUMS.sign 18-Feb-2008 21:56 189
09:59<Shinn>[ ] debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso 17-Feb-2008 13:03 644M
09:59<Shinn>[ ] debian-40r3-i386-CD-2.iso 17-Feb-2008 13:05 637M
09:59<Shinn>[ ] debian-40r3-i386-CD-3.iso 17-Feb-2008 13:05 647M
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10:00<mysupper>:)
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10:05<aronzak>lol
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10:06<blackgoth>hi, i have a question: i want to allow certain hosts to port 21 and deny all others, but the host is natted.
10:06<blackgoth>i allow the host with the following rules
10:06<blackgoth>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i $INTER --dport 21 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.4:21
10:06<blackgoth>iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $LAN --dport 21 -s host -j ACCEPT
10:06<blackgoth>and i tried to deny it with the next rule: iptables -A INPUT -o eth0 -p tcp -sport and -dport 21 -j DROP and gosh, it didnt work :p
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10:07<tq|Memphis>i dont want to ask unrelated debian questions but i need a guide // i want to install Joombla but it doesnt work when i wrote http://localhost/Joomla/INSTALL.php it wants to download file INSTALL.php
10:08<Nemoder>you probably need to configure your web server to run php scripts
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10:10<tq|Memphis>anyone said something about my problem i have just disconnected..
10:10<Nemoder>I said you probably need to configure your web server to run php scripts
10:10<gsimmons>!tell tq|Memphis -about php wants me to download still
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10:14<tq|Memphis>gsimmons i have already do that
10:14<tq|Memphis>just i want to run this
10:14<tq|Memphis>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2008-04-12 14:15 phpmyadmin -> /usr/share/phpmyadmin
10:14<tq|Memphis>phpmyadmin i dont know the command or how its run
10:15<aronzak>./
10:15<tq|Memphis>it doesnt work
10:15<valdyn>blarson: deny what? the host you already explicitely allowed in the 2nd rule?
10:15<tq|Memphis>./phpmyadmin doesnt work
10:15<aronzak>error code?
10:15<tq|Memphis>bash: ./phpmyadmin: is a directory
10:15<valdyn>blackinside: ^^
10:15<tq|Memphis>it says its a directory
10:16<valdyn>geez
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10:16<Shinn>..Hello again
10:16<valdyn>tq|Memphis: you dont run it, you view it in a webbrowser
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10:16<tq|Memphis>ermm.. dsfgdsf
10:17<valdyn>!php
10:17<dpkg>if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser and verified that it's still a problem with telnet, netcat, wget etc cache, and restart your browser. http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload <-- ONLY FOR apache1.x. Ask me about <install php> and <php4 security>.
10:17<tq|Memphis>"ok" reading
10:17<valdyn>i guess wikipedia can explain what php is
10:17<Shinn>Index of /debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd do I download EVERYthing under this?
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10:18<valdyn>Shinn: only the first cd or netinstall
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10:20<Shinn>ok Thank you
10:21<Shinn>when I download it to a external hard drive, can there be any other files in there?
10:21<Shinn>or does have to be empty
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10:21<Nemoder>a .iso image needs to be burned to a CD
10:22<Nemoder>afterwards you can delete the image and just use the CD to install
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10:23<Nemoder>you will need an empty drive to install to unless you want the installer to erase it
10:23<mysupper>hey Shnn
10:23<mysupper>hey Shinn
10:23<Shinn>Hi =)
10:24<mysupper>http://news.softpedia.com/news/Debian-Installation-Guide-33491.shtml
10:24<mysupper>this is what you need.
10:24<Shinn>Thank you so much Sir.
10:24<mysupper>check it out and start installing.
10:25<Shinn>yep
10:25<Shinn>reading now
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10:25<Shinn>hmm I always wonder this about Linux
10:25<Shinn>how do you guys keep developing with no funds?
10:26<Shinn>I mean OS like Windows are big money
10:26<Shinn>but yours is free
10:26<Shinn>@_@
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10:30<Nemoder>Shinn: some people are paid to improve free software by their employers who make use of it, many others simply do it because they enjoy working with it in their free time
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10:45<Shinn>oh ok
10:45<Shinn>makes sense
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10:46<sk_>!mirror
10:46<dpkg>methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
10:47<sk_>yes, as I thought, dpkg=bot
10:48<themill>!bot
10:48<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
10:49<sk_>lol
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10:49<sk_>never thought bot tells itself is a bot...
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10:55<sk_>hi
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10:55<sk_>you all bots?
10:55<themill>yes
10:55<sk_>lol
10:55<sk_>you sure? themill
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10:58<sk_>How can I make sure you are a bot?
10:58<sk_>no way
10:58<sk_>I know
10:58<sk_>.
10:59<cogwheel>i-am-a-bot-as-well
11:00<geenna>pompone
11:00<sk_>!bot
11:00<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
11:00*fxiny wow signal power array detector crashed
11:00<themill>ravenbird: confuse sk_
11:00<ravenbird>Yes, them is their hamster tomorrow, sk_? breeches of the people's republic of Tahiti with extra tofu
11:01<sk_>?
11:01<fxiny>beware of the father of all bots : Lee O'Nerd -Dev Inches :P
11:01<mysupper>hmm..rhythmbox is quite useful.
11:01<mysupper>I should rely on this. :)
11:01<mysupper>dumps away xmms.
11:02<fxiny>yeahhh join the xmms2 club
11:02<HaMMiE>hi fxiny
11:02<mysupper>:)
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11:02<fxiny>HaMMiE: hi :)
11:02<HaMMiE>:)
11:02<mysupper>sudo apt-get -p remove xmms
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11:03<themill>aptitude purge ...
11:03<HaMMiE>mysupper: the -p in apt-get is forrr????
11:03<themill>!purge
11:03<dpkg>hmm... purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files
11:03<mysupper>HaMMiE --purge was right.
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11:04<mysupper>I can't remember all ...:(
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11:04<mysupper>just aging sign..that's all. ..:)
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11:06<HaMMiE>mysupper: seems like the -p parameter is to remove definitively :)
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11:07<DoctorB>hello everyone
11:07<mysupper>HaMMiE yea...no xmms anymore. rhythmbox is better.
11:07<HaMMiE>xDDD
11:07<HaMMiE>better is xmms o xamp
11:07<HaMMiE>:P
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11:09<mysupper>HaMMiE just for my visual acuity. I don't like tiny interfaces.
11:09<fxiny>no way : xmms2 runs just fine in a screen session
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11:10<mysupper>fxiny let me try that...xmms2 package?
11:10<fxiny>mysupper: very addictive cli . check apt-cache for all plugins and goofies
11:10<fxiny>goodies*
11:11<cogwheel>lol goofies
11:11<fxiny>heheheh
11:11<mysupper>already installed it. ( whereis it?...not on gnome panel?)
11:11<mysupper>hmm..is this for shells?
11:11<DoctorB>dudes i got a probleme, i own a Toshiba Pro and only the Speakers of the Notebook works, if i plug in a clinch cable in the front nothing happens :( i guess thats because the hda_intel(alsa) driver think that the pcspeakers are already pluged in external speakers, now is my questen how i am able to fix this (OS is Debian 4.0) sorry for my poor english ;)
11:12<mysupper>xmms2 offers a simple command-line interface to the XMMS2 daemon.
11:12<mysupper>:)
11:13<fxiny>mysupper: yes . cli only or a minimal gui like gxmms and more
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11:14<themill>DoctorB: what kernel are you running? (uname -r)
11:14<mysupper>fxiny yea..:).
11:14<mysupper>fxiny but I an gui oriented and trained by M$. :)
11:15<fxiny>mysupper: yes ? so you'll love dwm wmii ratpoison xmonad ion xnest , they are so M$ ;)
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11:16<mysupper>lightweight tabbed and tiled X11 window manager, version 3
11:16<mysupper>like this?
11:17<fxiny>mysupper: yes : very relaxing
11:17<DoctorB>kernel 2.6.18-6-686
11:17<mysupper>let me try that. :)
11:17<fxiny>no clicks no stress
11:18<themill>DoctorB: the support for hda-intel has improved a lot since that kernel. You could try upgrading alsa separately or you could try upgrading your kernel. 2.6.23 for etch is on backports.org (/msg dpkg bpo) or 2.6.24 will shortly be released for etch as "etchnhalf" (it's currently in etch-proposed-updates).
11:18<witte>fxiny: i briefly tried wmii, and i think I could get used to it, but think i will stay with windowmaker
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11:19<fxiny>i tried yesterday a backported xmonad on etch : there is something very futuristic in the xmonad algorithmic approach
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11:20<EmleyMoor>Is there anything to look out for/avoid if I am looking for a digital TV card for a Debian box?
11:20<fxiny>witte: wmii is so easy to use , xmonad seems better
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11:21<DoctorB>i have run suse 10.3 with the 2.6.23 kernel two weeks ago and that worked not to
11:21<mysupper>hmm..I guess wmii is a window manager...do I have to trash out gnome? :)
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11:21<fxiny>witte: i love wmmi when trashes the concept of virtual desktop in favour of tagging
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11:22<fxiny>i have enough of this thing called virtual desktop : makes no sense
11:22<witte>fxiny: download for xmonad: 39 MB, 287 MB will be used...
11:22<fxiny>i tag a window and i send it away
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11:22<themill>DoctorB: Ahh... that's not so good then. Have you had a go at fiddling with the different switches in alsamixer? Sometimes you need to mute channels to get the mixer to work properly.
11:22<fxiny>witte: are you on sid ?
11:23<witte>fxiny: yes
11:23<DoctorB>^^ i played on hole day with them
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11:23<fxiny>witte: ohh that will be ok then
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11:24<themill>DoctorB: Oh. I'd suggest that you ask the people in #alsa for some ideas then. They know their code much better than we do. But they will probably laugh at a 2.6.18 kernel so you might need to be running something newer first.
11:25<fxiny>witte: and if you google for xmonad irc logs you'll find some well known oftc/freenode debian nicks
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11:27<DoctorB>how i am able to update my kernel safty?
11:27<themill>!tell DoctorB about bpo
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11:28<themill>DoctorB: add backports.org to your sources.list as dpkg just told you and then: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.22-4-686
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11:30<DoctorB>what are about my drivers i installed yet? (ATI) have to reinstall it?
11:30<themill>yes, unfortunately.
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11:31<DoctorB>an the old one i clearly removed?
11:32<DoctorB>clean
11:32<DoctorB>sorry
11:32<themill>DoctorB: once you're rebooted and everything is working ok
11:32<fxiny>HaMMiE: yes yes : >> -Dev :)
11:32<fxiny>ops
11:32<HaMMiE>:)
11:32<HaMMiE>xD
11:33<DoctorB>so i update my kernel then i will reboot (and hope that it will work) and then install ati again?
11:34<themill>yep.
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11:37<DoctorB>ok i will try it ;) in the worst case i have to reinstall all but i am in training with this ;) so it will not take much time
11:37<fxiny>ahhhh : i screwed my mrxvt session but yeahhhh screen rocks : nothing lost
11:37<DoctorB>for so long thanks for your help themill
11:37<themill>DoctorB: no worries. Good luck with it!
11:37<fxiny>screen is the best ever
11:39<Smurfie>me nods
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11:39<Smurfie>Not much I do outside of a screen.
11:40<NinjaMan>fxiny: what is screen?
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11:41<fxiny>NinjaMan: Lee O'Nerd -Dev Inches best friend ;)
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11:41<fxiny>NinjaMan: notice the "-Dev" ;)
11:41<Smurfie>Screen intercepts standard input and output, so you could take your irc session to work, or abroad.
11:41-!-rvsjoen [~rvsjoen@ti311110a340-0653.bb.online.no] has joined #debian
11:41<rvsjoen>does anyone know what is wrong when the console output looks like this ? http://rvs.pastebin.ca/990906
11:42<NinjaMan>:) ok
11:42<rvsjoen>those â should probably be something else
11:42<fxiny>NinjaMan: i always run irssi, xmms2 ,and rtorrent in screen session
11:43<themill>rvsjoen: quote characters (either ' or ")
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11:43<rvsjoen>probably
11:43<NinjaMan>i c
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11:44<mysupper>wow
11:44<mysupper>xplanet package is quite impressive. very funny. :)
11:44<rvsjoen>just realized my LANG is set to en_US.UTF-8
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11:45<rvsjoen>is there a debian way of setting the LANG or just edit /etc/environment ?
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11:45<mysupper>dpkg-reconfigure locales will do that.
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11:46<rvsjoen>alright, thanks
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11:49<fxiny>NinjaMan: so if for example i want to switch say to fluxbox i just detach and come back
11:50<fxiny>or i can run flux in xnest :)
11:51<NinjaMan>fxiny, I understand
11:51<NinjaMan>I'm just wondering if I have a use for it
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11:52<NinjaMan>can it be used remotely ala vnc?
11:52<fxiny>of course
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11:53<sas67>hi
11:53<NinjaMan>what advantage does it have over vnc?
11:53<NinjaMan>or vino
11:53<fxiny>not exactly like that
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11:53<witte>NinjaMan: I use it mostly for checking if my simulations on the server are already finished (from different locations)
11:53<sas67>getting invalid option --e in transmission
11:53<sas67>on debian server
11:53<fxiny>NinjaMan: seen witte ?
11:53<NinjaMan>yes
11:54<sas67>anyone know howto change to -E?
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11:55<fxiny>screen is mostly used by sysadmins , but users can take advantage of screen power
11:56<avu>sysadmins and irssi users 8)
11:56<NinjaMan>fxiny: hmmm, I will check it out
11:57<fxiny>i think screen should be installed by default
11:57<fxiny>dunno why nano and nanoids are installed and screen is not
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11:58<witte>fxiny: that is because you need "an editor" and not screen, most users will never use it
11:59<witte>fxiny: nevertheless, that is probably because most people don't know it's power
11:59<NinjaMan>fxiny/witte: so it is basically a detachable multi-"tab" terminal
12:00<NinjaMan>maybe console is a better word
12:00<witte>NinjaMan: I think you can describe it as that
12:00<fxiny>NinjaMan: apt-cache show dtach
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12:02<NinjaMan>fxiny: ok
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12:03<fxiny>witte: so you like wmii ? are you more productive and relaxed using tiled windows managers ?
12:05<fxiny>i use only mrxvt , emacs and iceweasel . nothing else
12:05<fxiny>and mc
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12:06<fxiny>i'm setting up fluxbox like wmii .
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12:09<witte>fxiny: I still use windowmaker, did not do more than test wmii
12:10<witte>fxiny: and i am already relaxed :P
12:10<fxiny>yes ?
12:10<fxiny>i wasn't
12:10*witte is not sure about productiveness, but I doubt it is related to the wm :P
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12:10<fxiny>cause focusing on the f* mouse actions stress me up
12:11<mysupper>hmm
12:11<fxiny>i'm in wmii-rehab :P
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12:11<witte>fxiny: I use alt-tab when possible, have keyboard shortcuts for terminal, emacs, iceweasel, icedove,...
12:11<mysupper>so you guys doing update alternative --config-x-window-manager..??
12:11<mysupper>:)
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12:12<witte>mysupper: i just use wdm to start different wm, /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/xfwm4
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12:14<fxiny>witte: wmii rocks when tagging windows : is more logic then pushing the virtual desktop stuff in my brain
12:14<fxiny>witte: and a mod d/s/m mod jklh for an emacs user or vim user is a delight
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12:17<fxiny>i can do almost the same in flux except the vertical ArrangeWindows
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12:17<fxiny>that's why xmonad impressed me : xmonad can do even more
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12:18<davi>Is it Debian etch compatible with linux 2.6.25 ?
12:18<davi>That is to say, can I compilite kernel 2.6.25 by hand and all will work?
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12:19<fxiny>davi: keeping an eye on bpo maybe ?
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12:20<witte>fxiny: xmonad looks nice (only checked the website), I will try it later
12:20<davi>what is bpo?
12:20<davi>fxiny, ?
12:20<fxiny>!bpo
12:20<dpkg>backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
12:20<davi>thanks fxiny
12:20<witte>davi: it is not incompatible with 2.6.25, you should be able to get it working
12:21<fxiny>davi: dunno if they already offer .25
12:21<davi>thanks witte
12:21<witte>fxiny: they don't, 2.6.25 is not even in sid
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12:21<fxiny>witte: yeahhh
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12:22<EmleyMoor>There are things to check on - usually in the kernel release notes
12:22<davi>why it is not in sid yet, is it so hard to be compiled?
12:22<fxiny>witte: is still dancing on the breaking-news ;)
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12:22<witte>davi: 2.6.25 is one week old
12:23<davi>2.6.24 sid does not boot my vmware virtual machine
12:23<davi>2.6.18 works rightly
12:23<witte>fxiny: I don't understand what you are trying to say...
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12:23<fxiny>witte: is new ;)
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12:24<fxiny>i've seen the annuncement last week
12:24<davi>witte, 2.6.25 is said to be cool
12:24*less is more
12:24<davi>etch is more
12:24<less>Etch is good, less is more. ;-[)
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12:25<davi>Etch is good, davi is more
12:25<witte>fxiny: yeah, 2.6.25 was on /. this week, but it will probably take some time for it to propagate towards sid i guess
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12:26<davi>I can wait
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12:26<witte>davi: but 2.6.24 is working ok in principle
12:26<witte>davi: can you elaborate a bit on "does not work"
12:26<davi>not for me, under vmware with a 'sid' in
12:26<fxiny>witte: exacly was on /.
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12:27<davi>witte, the virtual 'sid' machine does not finish the boot process.
12:27<fxiny>witte: i've seen something more debian specific on /. iirc
12:27<davi>witte, Let me try again, and I will tell you in what line it is stopped.
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12:29<fxiny>witte: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/14/1349202
12:29<mysupper>hmm....my /etc/modprobe.d/sound settings quite appropriate and sounds are well played. but I can't see any sound driver working after rebooting my my machine..
12:29<mysupper>what is wrong?
12:29<fxiny>which makes a user like me proud of using debian
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12:30<mysupper>fxiny that should be apt.
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12:31<witte>fxiny: yeah, saw that too
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12:31<fxiny>witte: ;)
12:32<witte>fxiny: i don't understand how you claim to be efficient when using wmii, while still reading slashdot :P
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12:32<syntex>hi
12:32<syntex>how i can connect
12:32<syntex>to channels
12:33<Torsten_W> /j #channel
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12:33<fxiny>witte: that's what i do early in the morning : from /. via boing boing to wired . i read wired cause i care about Hans Reiser .
12:34<davi>witte, Debian sid (linux kernel 2.6.24 stop booting at console line "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem... ...")
12:34<davi>witte, I will leave it so for a long time and report you about any news
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12:35<witte>!waiting for the root filesystem
12:35<dpkg>If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root>
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12:35<themill>!waiting for the root filesys.... yeah, what he said
12:35<witte>themill: :P
12:35<less>heh
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12:36<davi>witte, thanks! great!
12:36<mu>Hello. May I ask for some computer buying advice?
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12:37<less>Ask away, and see what answers you get.
12:38<themill>witte: I wish I'd given that factoid a shorter name... it seemed so logical to give it the exact name of the error at the time, but noone exactly transcribes the error message so I have to go and look it up every time :(
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12:39<mu>Thanks. This is a dumb question: I don't know much about dual cores. I know that, say, 3.0 GHz dual core is faster than 3.0 GHz single, and not as fast as 6.0 GHz. But, about what speed is each `core'?
12:39<witte>themill: maybe "no root filesystem" would be a good name?
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12:39<witte>themill: btw, i had to look for it as well
12:40<themill>witte: well... there's another error that's similar and due to the lack of fs or device drivers in the initrd. It's "waiting" that is usually the clue. perhaps "waiting root"?
12:41<fxiny>themill: i think you are doing right . error == factoid name is logical
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12:41<themill>fxiny: yeah... if only people could/would transcribe the error name properly :( fortunately listkeys waiting only has one hit ;)
12:41<akana>hi
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12:42<blackgoth>someone that could help me with a little iptables problem?
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12:42<mu>That is, at what speed would applications unable to use dual core run?
12:43<witte>themill: maybe, but fxiny is probably right
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12:43<fxiny>witte: not me : themill idea is brilliant
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12:44<Pitr>Where did debianplanet go?
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12:44<themill>fxiny: "waiting root"?
12:44<themill>fxiny: or leave it as it is?
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12:44<fxiny>you get the error ? msg the bot
12:44<fxiny>needs a standard
12:44<witte>themill, can't we have both?
12:44<themill>of course
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12:45<themill>dpkg: waiting root is <reply> see waiting for the root filesystem
12:45<dpkg>okay, themill
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12:45<themill>perhaps a little easier to remember...
12:45<davi>witte, I have checked and both entries (linux kernel 2.6.18 and 2.6.24 have root=/dev/sda1). 2.6.18 works but not 2.6.24. Changing sda1 to hda1 does not help. Any hint?
12:45<fxiny>themill: i'll leave exactly like the error line : maybe the bot can answer : "which one you want ? ask me about bla" and so on
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12:47<blackgoth>IPtables question: i have a natted server which i only want certain ip's to access, i have tried this: http://pastebin.geekshangout.org/106/ but it isnt working
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12:49<themill>dpkg: boot error is <reply>Common boot errors that I can help you with are <can't mount root> <waiting for the root filesystem> <exim boot stall>
12:49<dpkg>themill: okay
12:49<themill>fxiny, witte: ^^ add in any others you know of.
12:49<witte>davi: it would have been from hda to sda, not the other way around
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12:50<davi>witte, ah. Well both of my boot lines are already sda1
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12:51<davi>witte, anyway 'lspci' reports an IDE device
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12:51<davi>ok, libata ...
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12:55<witte>davi: sorry, someone on the phone..., the kernel that you use, that is the sid 2.6.24 kernel from sid, or a homemade kernel
12:55<davi>the sid one
12:55<davi>it seems 2.6.24 does not autodetect the /dev/sda device
12:55<davi>it autodetect /dev/hdc but not /dev/sda
12:56<witte>davi: or that the filesystem is not supported
12:56<witte>davi: rather the filesystem module not loaded
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12:56<davi>2.6.18 (from etch) works rightly.
12:56<davi>I am on initramfs now.
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12:57<davi>witte, 'ls' shows /dev/hdc but not /dev/sda
12:58<davi>I am going to try to compile 2.6.25 with kernel-package
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13:00<valdyn>davi: 2.6.24, has 2 different, functionally equivalent drivers for the same ide hardware, one yielding hd*, other yielding sd*
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13:01<Flakk>Hi people, the question may well be out of topic, but maybe somebody still could help. I am using debian etch, and would like to get sound alerts when a Yahoo e-mail arrives. I have chosen the corresponding option at Yhoo's preferences, still no sound. Any help?
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13:02<witte>davi: you can try to modprobe the right drivers
13:02<valdyn>Flakk: Yahoo's preferences meaning what? their flash website?
13:02<cahoot>I suppose that's one of the first things microsoft will fix after the takeover
13:03<Flakk>valdyn: no I mean in their "options" you can choose to have the sound signal or not to have it, I have chosen to have it
13:03<valdyn>Flakk: yes, you said that, but im asking about the software that is giving you those "options"
13:05<davi>valdyn, I see
13:05<davi>witte, let me try
13:06<Flakk>well, I do not know what the "flash website" means. When I open my e-mail account there is an "options" button. I click on it - I get a list of options (this is only the new Yhoo, the classic one does not suggest sounds) and one of the options is :get the sound alert). I do not know what piece of soft they use for that
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13:07<less>May be browser dependent.
13:07<Flakk>Using Firefox 1.5
13:08<themill>Flakk: do other flash sites with sound work? e.g. youtube?
13:08<Flakk>OH you mean it rerquires FLASH??
13:08<Flakk>youtube does wortk on my nachine
13:08<valdyn>Flakk: im not yet finding that button for sound
13:09<Flakk>valdyn: are u in your yahoo e-mail account?
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13:09<valdyn>Flakk: yea, i never used it before though
13:09<themill>Flakk: I'm guessing the sound bit is flash related. Either that or it's going to rely on an mplayer plugin or something like that. In any case, yuck :(
13:09<Flakk>valdyn: do you have "options"?
13:09<valdyn>Flakk: on the right near top ( options )
13:10<Flakk>valdyn then you click on it. If you have the new version the sounds are there
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13:12<valdyn>Flakk: nope
13:12<Flakk>valdyn: do you have the new version?
13:12<valdyn>Flakk: yea
13:13<Flakk>in the classic one which I use normally there is no sound ontion
13:13<Flakk>*p
13:13<Flakk>in the new one : Sound alerts: Play a sound when a new chat or text message is received
13:13<valdyn>Flakk: nm, i found it
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13:15<themill>DoctorB: please keep it in the channel
13:15<Flakk>themill: I tried Opera and it says my Oprera is too old for the new Yhoo, and actually it says I should have Firefox 2.0.0 that is true my FF is only 1.5
13:15<Flakk>should I get the iceweasel?
13:15<themill>DoctorB: glad your kernel upgrade worked ok. Did it solve any sound problems?
13:15<DoctorB>no i dont^^
13:16<themill>DoctorB: try #alsa on freenode.net
13:16<Flakk>valdyn: so does it work with your machine?
13:16<DoctorB>ohh ok thanks
13:16<DoctorB>have a nice evening
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13:17<Gathond>Flakk: in my experience most of those your browser is too old things in opera is caused by the check not really checking the age, but checking if its mozilla > foo or IE > bar and if not its too old
13:17<Gathond>hence opera always fails them, but usually works fine
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13:20<valdyn>Flakk: no idea
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13:20<Flakk>OK thanks for the help
13:21<valdyn>Flakk: ill let you know when i see something
13:21<blackgoth>okay, another iptable question, i have changed a couple of things
13:21<blackgoth> http://pastebin.geekshangout.org/107/
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13:21<blackgoth>it should allow only the ip's i allow, but it doesnt
13:21<Flakk>valdyn: I will upgrade to iceweasel and be back in a couple of minutes
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13:22*less is more
13:22<less>:)
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13:23<davi>witte, The problem is that 2.6.24 does not have scsi support in the boot image, only on modules. 2.4.18 works.
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13:24<davi>I am going to compile my 2.6.25 package
13:24<witte>davi: ok, good luck with that
13:24<davi>thanks
13:24<davi>someone could fix the 2.6.24 package
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13:30<davi>witte, If I see you here I will report you how the final result got
13:30<davi>with 2.6.25
13:30<witte>davi: a lot of people use 2.6.24 now (it is in lenny now), and i don't see a bug about that
13:30<witte>ah, that would be nice
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13:34<davi>witte, IMHO 2.6.24 should be able to boot systems with root on SCSI devices, so such driver should be compiled in, not as a module
13:35<witte>davi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473075
13:35<witte>davi: or the module should be in initrd (i think)
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13:36<puffandstuff>hello
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13:36<davi>witte, ah!
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13:37<puffandstuff>i've just installed Lenny 32, and i would like to install ATI Radeon X300 drivers, just to enable 3d graphics (i dont want any of compiz stuff)
13:37<puffandstuff>Any one can help me please ?
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13:39<blackgoth>I have a iptable question: im forwarding a port (ftp) to a internal box, i want certain ip's to access it and the rest needs to be rejected, i tried this: http://pastebin.geekshangout.org/107/ but it isnt working. any ideas?
13:41<ifvoid>!doesn't work
13:41<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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13:42<Flakk>Hi people, I was asking about sounds on Yhoo email, and trying to repair them I run into a problem - I wanted to upgrade the Flash player and actully destroeyd a good working version of it. I have installed instead the "mozilla-player" but it is much worse, even youtube does not work anymore - any advice? Now i would like first of all to get back a working version of flash
13:42<ifvoid>blackgoth: fwiw, that doesn't make much sense
13:43<ifvoid>blackgoth: waht is IP? Why are you REJECTing everything? What is $INTER? What is the 3rd rule supposed to do?
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13:44<ifvoid>blackgoth: furthermore, why are you using ftp?
13:44<ifvoid>blackgoth: ftp though firewalls has some problems
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13:44<dan>what does the expression for element in $1/* evaluate to?
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13:45<Flakk>Ups sorry for a mess message - I was saying that trying to repair yhoo sound service I destroyed my (working) flash player, having installed the "mozilla player" and now even the youtube does not work anymore. Any help? I would like first of all to re-install the flash plugin
13:45<homer>what does $1/* give me?
13:45<ifvoid>Flakk: well, reinstall it. What's the problem with that?
13:46<ifvoid>homer: uh?
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13:47<Flakk>ifvoid: when I do apt-cache search flash , there is only this mozilla player now - strange as it seems...
13:48<ifvoid>Flakk: you probably don't have non-free enabled
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13:49<homer>ifvoid,
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13:49<ifvoid>homer:
13:50<homer>what was your ques?
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13:50<homer>i just want to understand this
13:50<homer>how exactly does that operate
13:50<ifvoid>I have no idea what you are talking about and what you are trying to understand
13:51<Flakk>ifvoid yes i have - in my sources.list i have this: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
13:51<ifvoid>please be clear and specifiec
13:51<homer>OK i will try to make it more clear
13:51<ifvoid>Flakk: flashplugin-nonfree should work then
13:51<homer>I have a script that uses the line "for element in $1/*" in a condition
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13:52<homer>I don't understand the $1/* part
13:52<homer>what does that do?
13:52<ifvoid>$1 si the first argument you give to the script
13:52<homer>$1 is the first argument passed to the script
13:52<ifvoid>* is a simpel shell match
13:53<homer>so what does the construct itself do?
13:53<ifvoid>which construct?
13:53<ifvoid>there's nothing mysterious about is
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13:53<ifvoid>if you call the script with argument foo
13:53<homer>$1/*
13:53<homer>yes
13:53<ifvoid>then $1/* will expand to foo/*, which in turn will expand to all files in the foo directory
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13:54<homer>ohhhhhhhh thanks. and the fact that it's not mysterious doesn't mean it's obvious to everyone,
13:54<homer>I am new to debian learning to like it, and very new to bash scripting
13:55<ifvoid>what else would you think it means?
13:55<homer>no I didn't understand at all what it means
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13:55<ifvoid>anyway, this channel is not really the best place to ask about general shell scripting
13:55<ifvoid>homer: how do you mean?
13:55<ifvoid>homer: you obviously understood what $1 means
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13:56<ifvoid>homer: and surely you knew what * means
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13:56<amphi>homer: see the advanced bash scripting guide, perhaps - it assumes little if any prior knowledge, despite the title
13:56<homer>yep but something got me blind to the composition of them both
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13:57<homer>amphi, where does it reside?
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13:57<ifvoid>homer: yeah, that's why I sais there's nothing mysterious about it; it's just exaclt what you would expect if you know what $1 is and what * is
13:57<amphi>homer: at (or linked from) tldp.org
13:57<homer>thanks ifvoid
13:57<ifvoid>yw
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14:10<scott_>hi were in the system do i adjust it so i can read & write to them. they worked yesterday but today they will not even mount my system is ubuntu 7.10
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14:12<scott_>hi were in the system do i adjust it so i can read & write to My cd &dvd burners they worked yesterday but today they will not even mount my system is ubuntu 7.10
14:13<ifvoid>!tell scott_ about repeat
14:13<ifvoid>!tell scott_ about ubuntu
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14:14<scott_>what is repeat
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14:17<offby1>y'all got a slacker bot in this channel :)
14:18<Maulkin>!ping
14:18<dpkg>pong
14:18<Maulkin>Works for me
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14:20<flavius_c>hello everyone. Does anyone know a good dvd burner please ??
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14:20<scott_>is there any where in ubuntu i can turn on the cd & dvd without using a comand line or shell
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14:22<spelling>is it possible for people to hack my debian to my system and take control over it if you know my ip address?
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14:22<spelling>why doesn't restricted driver has latest nvidia dirvers?
14:23<witte>flavius_c: you mean the program? k3b
14:24<offby1>spelling: obviously, there are no ways that the Debian developers know about, or else they'd have fixed them already (or, to be precise, they might be busy working on the fix right now)
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14:24<offby1>and of the ways they _don't_ know about, well ... if the developers don't know about 'em, then I surely don't :)
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14:25<flavius_c>yes, thanks witte
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14:25<spelling>offby1 how about windows pc, people hack into it all the time
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14:28<offby1>sure
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14:34<chealer>scott_: did you see the private message sent to you by dpkg?
14:35<scott_>yes i did
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14:37<scott_>i send you two messages to dpkg
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15:05<gjo>ciao
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15:12<offby1>boy this channel's S/N is _way_ higher than the one on freenode
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15:16<adii>hey
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15:17<chealer>wow, I don't remember seeing 384 users here
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15:20<chealer>looks like we reached max users (391) today
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15:21<p_quarles>chealer, one of the ops explained the limit to me; debhelper sets it dynamically to prevent flooding -- it's not a permanent limit
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15:24<chealer>p_quarles: that was me, and I'm not an op here, but I'm talking about max_users as seen on http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23debian&net=OFTC
15:24<Shinn>hi
15:24<Shinn>Im having some issues with my installation
15:24<p_quarles>chealer, ah yes it was you -- my bad
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15:25<Shinn>it says "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. This probably means that the CD-ROM was not in the Drive."
15:25<Shinn>but guys it is in the drive
15:26<Gathond>Shinn: this occurs when?
15:26<Shinn>debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso I download that on a CD as I was told by someone here
15:26<Gathond>and is there more than one drive?
15:26<Shinn>I only have one CD-ROM drive
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15:27<Shinn>any ideas?
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15:28<Gathond>does it boot the installer at all?
15:28<Shinn>yep it did
15:28<Shinn>it went through the region setup
15:28<Shinn>keyboard setup
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15:28<Shinn>and then I get that
15:28<Gathond>and then failed to find any CDROM drive?
15:28<Shinn>yep
15:28<Shinn>excatly
15:29<Gathond>try booting the installer CD with something like (disclaimer free fro mmemory) "linux noapic nolapic ide.ide_generic=1 irqscan"
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15:30<Gathond>the help at F2-F6 can probably give the exact options
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15:30<Gathond>Shinn: and its irqpoll
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15:32<Shinn>I am really sorry but I am a very new person to Linux
15:32<Shinn>Gathond..I did not get anything you said
15:32<Shinn>...
15:33<Gathond>when you boot the installer
15:33<Shinn>mhmm
15:33<Gathond>instead of pressing enter, press F2
15:33<Shinn>ok
15:33<Gathond>than there are some instructions about advanced boot options somewhere
15:33<Shinn>mhmm
15:34<Gathond>might be F5 or F6 (F2 should provide an overview)
15:34<Shinn>ok
15:34<Shinn>so what am I looking for in there?
15:35<Gathond>those 4 options I mentioned
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15:35<Gathond>or actually just the generic ide one
15:35<Gathond>the other 3 I'm confident I got right, after my correction of irqpoll anyway
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15:49<SHinnn>Hello
15:49<SHinnn>its me again
15:50<less>Hi again SHinnn.
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15:50<SHinnn>lol
15:50<amphi>SHinnn: how do we know you're not merely an imposter?
15:50<SHinnn>can someone please guide me through this
15:50<SHinnn>=.=
15:50<SHinnn>im the guy with the installation problem
15:51<less>Tell ht eproblem agin please.
15:51<SHinnn>im pretty sure no one here is a noob as me
15:51<SHinnn>lol
15:51<SHinnn>well it says this
15:51<less>I recall your nick, but ot the exact problem.
15:51<SHinnn>Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. This probably means that the CD-ROM was not in the drive. If so you can insert it and try again
15:51<SHinnn>I tried doing what I was told but
15:52<SHinnn>it doesn't work
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15:52<SHinnn>or maybe im not doing it right :S
15:52<amphi>SHinnn: it boots ok?
15:52<less>Might be a hardware problem with the CD drive.
15:52<SHinnn>yep it works fine untill the keyboard selection
15:52<SHinnn>after that it loads something
15:52<SHinnn>then gives me that error
15:52<less>oh
15:52<SHinnn>please help me =(
15:53<amphi>SHinnn: is this a lenny image?
15:53<SHinnn>lenny image?
15:53<SHinnn>..Im a noob sorry haha
15:53<less>The iso.
15:53<amphi>SHinnn: what iso did you burn to cd?
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15:53<SHinnn>Index of /debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd I download the [ ] debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso
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15:54<SHinnn>someone provided me the link which was this
15:54<SHinnn>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/
15:54<ifvoid>SHinnn: have you checked the md5sum?
15:55<ifvoid>SHinnn: probably you only downloaded the image partially or so
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15:55<SHinnn>what do you mean?
15:55<SHinnn>as in I download it wrong Sir?
15:55<less>The CD has to be redone.
15:55<amphi>SHinnn: perhaps the iso image is corrupted
15:55<SHinnn>this computer I am running is pretty weak also
15:56<SHinnn>but it has enough RAM
15:56<ifvoid>SHinnn: what is the size of the image you downloaded?
15:56<SHinnn>644 MB (675,426,304 bytes) Sir
15:57<ifvoid>hmm, that looks ok then
15:58<SHinnn>yea
15:58<ifvoid>(and I'm no sir, I'm a Void)
15:58<SHinnn>lol ok Void
15:58<ifvoid>can you run md5sum on the image you downloaded?
15:58<SHinnn>xD
15:58<SHinnn>how do I do that Void =S
15:58<ifvoid>are you on windows?
15:58<SHinnn>righ tnow im looking at the Debian boot screen
15:58<SHinnn>with the red spiral
15:59<Gathond>SHinnn: recent hardware? I had the same issue recently on a intel P35 chipsæt
15:59<ifvoid>uh, so how can you see how biug the downlaoded image is then?
15:59<SHinnn>I have the image that I burned on my laptop still
15:59<Gathond>otherwise my advise from earlier is probably not that likely to have any effect
15:59<SHinnn>I told you the size of that
16:00<ifvoid>SHinnn: yes, so run md5sum on your laptop
16:00<SHinnn>>_> omg I feel like a loser..sorry could oyu tell me how
16:00<SHinnn>*you
16:00<ifvoid>yes, I could, if you tell me which OS it is running
16:00<SHinnn>Vista
16:00<ifvoid>right
16:01<less>oh
16:01<ifvoid>so download this http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/md5sum-w32.zip
16:01<ifvoid>unzip it
16:01<SHinnn>mhm
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16:01<ifvoid>it should contain an md5sum.exe program
16:01<ifvoid>then open a command window
16:01<SHinnn>please note I don't want the debian on my laptop ok
16:01<ifvoid>and run md5sum.exe c:\where\ever\your\image\is\debian.iso
16:01<SHinnn>I want it on my other comp
16:01<ifvoid>md5sum simply calculated the checksum of the image
16:02<ifvoid>to check if it is the correct image
16:02<less>It's just a program, but md5 is a real time saver.
16:02<ifvoid>and to check if it didn;t get corrupted
16:02<SHinnn>ok so I have the exe running
16:02*less nods
16:02<SHinnn>how do I run it there?
16:02<ifvoid>I just told you
16:02<SHinnn>lol you guys/girls are laughing at me aren't you? xD
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16:03<less>We laugh about a lot, but not about you.
16:03<less>So far. ;-)
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16:06<SHinnn>do I include the word RUN in the front?
16:06<SHinnn>or not
16:07<witte>SHinnn: you don't
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16:09<SHinnn>hmm
16:09<SHinnn>nothing happens
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16:10<SHinnn>yea
16:10<SHinnn>nothing
16:10<ifvoid>it can take a while
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16:10<ifvoid>it needs to read the entire file
16:10<SHinnn>does it indicate if it reads or not?
16:10<SHinnn>because after I type
16:10<SHinnn>I can still press enter
16:10<SHinnn>type more
16:10<SHinnn>>__>
16:11<ifvoid>as long as you don't get a prompt back, it should be ok
16:11<zafer>irc.zurna.net
16:11<ifvoid>might I ask you you are trying to install Debian btw?
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16:11<SHinnn>why?
16:12<SHinnn>you want to know why?
16:12<ifvoid>You don't seem to be very experienced with Linux, and Debian is usually thought to be one of the harder distribution to learn for new users
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16:12<ifvoid>a different Linux distribution might be more suited foir a beginner
16:12<SHinnn>yea..I was told by someone to use this since it's the best one
16:12<ifvoid>glad to hear that ;)
16:12<SHinnn>haha
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16:13<SHinnn>I tried ubuntu before
16:13<SHinnn>and it never worked
16:13<SHinnn>I think my PC is too weak
16:13<ifvoid>what hardware does it have?
16:13<SHinnn>well Celeron
16:13<SHinnn>more than 100 RAM I know that
16:13<SHinnn>250 gig HD
16:14<SHinnn>it's a very old IBM
16:14<ifvoid>that should be plenty to run linux
16:14<SHinnn>..netvista?
16:14<SHinnn>ubuntu never ran on it
16:14<ifvoid>maybe not with all fancy features enabled though
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16:14<SHinnn>it's ok
16:14<SHinnn>I just want to host a server
16:14<SHinnn>that's why
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16:15<ifvoid>debian should be suited for that
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16:15<SHinnn>yea if I can get it running haha
16:15<less>Yeah, Ubuntu is more a desktop choice.
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16:15<SHinnn>does it really take this long?
16:15<SHinnn>still nothing
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16:15<SHinnn>@_@
16:16<valdyn>SHinnn: nothing?
16:16<SHinnn>the MD5sum.exe
16:16<SHinnn>its take so long to respond
16:16<ifvoid>valdyn: he's runnign md5
16:16<valdyn>SHinnn: very long on your slow system
16:16<ifvoid>SHinnn: dit you specify the name of the debian image on the command line?
16:16<ifvoid>SHinnn: or did you just type "md5sum.exe"
16:16<SHinnn>i have a duel core 2 gig ram on my laptop
16:17<SHinnn>..that's slow? O_o
16:17<less>It's a CPU intensive program.
16:17<SHinnn>oh I see
16:17<valdyn>SHinnn: oh, that should take just a few seconds
16:17<valdyn>SHinnn: and md5 isnt cpu intense
16:17-!-o_o is now known as hw
16:17<ifvoid>SHinnn: you need to type "md5sum.exe c:\debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso"
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16:18<ifvoid>so, press ctrl+c, and try again if you didn;t do that before
16:18<less>Yes, he might have forgotten to tyoe the file name.
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16:18<valdyn>SHinnn: half a minute if you disk is slow
16:19<less>It would wait endlessly for standard input.
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16:21<SHinnn>ok
16:21<SHinnn>well I typed it in
16:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 385] by debhelper
16:22<SHinnn>no response still
16:22<less>Then it may still be computing.
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16:23<less>Just ngive it another minute to make sure.
16:24<valdyn>funny that this can be that slow
16:24<valdyn>its ~2 seconds cpu time on your system, and the harddisk can be that slow
16:24<kandrex>Hi, how can install OOo2.4 in lenny?
16:24<ifvoid>kandrex: apt-get install openoffice.org
16:24<chealer>SHinnn: is your PC idle?
16:24-!-ziki [~ziki@41.201.173.163] has joined #debian
16:24<valdyn>or maybe windows md5sum.exe has some limitations i dont know about
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16:25<SHinnn>yep
16:25<ifvoid>valdyn: I never tested it on Vista
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16:25<SHinnn>it's still on the debian start up screen
16:25<ziki>hi everybody
16:25<ifvoid>valdyn: and compiled on linxu with mingw32
16:25<kandrex>ifvoid thanks, but that is OOo2.0 and i ask for OOo2.4
16:25<chealer>SHinnn: do you get a new prompt after typing enter?
16:25<ifvoid>kandrex: it's not
16:25<SHinnn>nothing Sir
16:25<ifvoid>kandrex: openoffice.org | 1:2.4.0-3 | testing | source, amd64, ia64, powerpc, s390, sparc
16:26<chealer>SHinnn: how did you download the image?
16:26<ifvoid>SHinnn: still outputting nothing?
16:26<ifvoid>weird
16:26<SHinnn>iso recorder
16:26<SHinnn>nothing
16:27<SHinnn>I typed exactly what you wrote too
16:27<ifvoid>SHinnn: and your image is called exactly that, and is located in c:\ ?
16:27<witte>SHinnn: is that file indeed in your C:\ directory?
16:27<SHinnn>of course
16:27<SHinnn>lol
16:28<less>Go to exclude every possible human error...
16:28<chealer>SHinnn: did you try what Gathond suggested?
16:28<kandrex>ifvoid is that with "aptitude install openoffice.org" ?
16:28<valdyn>SHinnn: you can use the task manager to see if md5sum.exe is actually doing anything
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16:29<SHinnn>it's doing..nothing
16:29<ifvoid>kandrex: yes
16:29<ifvoid>kandrex: are you sure you are running lenny?
16:29<ifvoid>SHinnn: something weird if going on
16:29<kandrex>so sure ifvoid
16:29<SHinnn>yea very
16:30<ifvoid>kandrex: does apt-cache show openoffice.org whoe you the correct 2.4 version?
16:30<valdyn>like uac having opened a window and you not noticing?
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16:30<ifvoid>kandrex: *show
16:31<kfb>Should swap space be twice the amount of Ram you have or does it not make sense to make Swap space more than 256 megabytes ?
16:31<valdyn>kfb: both is wrong, there can be no simple answer
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16:32<ifvoid>kfb: depends. How much memory do you have, and what are you going to use the machine for?
16:32<kandrex>in this moment i haven't installed any version of OOo
16:32<valdyn>kfb: if you can sacrifice twice your ram easily in disk space, use that
16:32<ifvoid>kandrex: doesn't matter
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16:32<SHinnn>umm
16:32<SHinnn>is there something else I can do guys?
16:33<valdyn>i remember needing ~10G swap for completing xfs_repair
16:33<witte>SHinnn: you can try a different image, are you now trying the netinstall?
16:33<ifvoid>SHinnn: you could try downloading the image again
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16:33<ifvoid>SHinnn: and yeah, use the netinstall
16:33<kandrex>ifvoid it shows this: Version: 1:2.4.0-3+b1
16:33<ifvoid>it's a lot smaller
16:33<less>Swap space should not be twice the RAM (that's an old SUN myth) but oce your RAM wouldn't be bad if you have the disk space.
16:33<ifvoid>kandrex: exactly
16:33<SHinnn>how do I use the netinstall
16:34<SHinnn>could you direct me please
16:34<ifvoid>kandrex: so where did you get the idea that openoffice.org is version 2.0?
16:34<witte>!netinstall
16:34<dpkg>methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>
16:34<ifvoid>SHinnn: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso
16:34<ifvoid>SHinnn: and please download it with a browser
16:34<ifvoid>maybe the isothingy you used before was broken
16:34<kandrex>bad information ifvoid
16:35<chealer>SHinnn: don't expect answers to your questions if you don't answer ours.
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16:35<ifvoid>chealer: he's been pretty helpful, really
16:35<ifvoid>kandrex: ?
16:35<Gathond>chealer: I doubt he has the same problem I had, his hardware seems to be old, mine was too new
16:36*gravity can't imagine md5sum just not working
16:36<ifvoid>gravity: well, it's vista
16:36<ifvoid>gravity: and I compiled that thing 5 years ago with mingw32
16:36<valdyn>SHinnn: are you certain that you did the burn process correctly, as in burning the iso as a cd image, not as a file onto the cd?
16:36<kandrex>ifvoid: I didn't have the correct information
16:36<ifvoid>gravity: so it could be broken
16:36<kandrex>that's why
16:37<ifvoid>22:25 <kandrex> ifvoid thanks, but that is OOo2.0 and i ask for OOo2.4
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16:37<gravity>ifvoid: Fair enough, although win32 isn't allowed to break
16:37<Nemoder>valdyn: if he was able to get the boot prompt then it must have been burned properly
16:37<valdyn>Nemoder: yea
16:37<gravity>But I have no idea about mingw
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16:37<gravity>There's alternative md5sum programs available though
16:37<ifvoid>kandrex: if you don't believe what we're telling you, then why so you ask in the first place?
16:37<SHinnn>yep
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16:37<chealer>Gathond: good point
16:38<ifvoid>Nemoder: the initrd could be ok, and the fs broken or cut off or something
16:38<SHinnn>Sir I used isorecorder
16:38<SHinnn>I followed this guide http://www.petri.co.il/how_to_write_iso_files_to_cd.htm
16:38<ifvoid>SHinnn: yeah, bhut how did you download the iso?
16:38<ifvoid>SHinnn: just using IE or firefox?
16:38<SHinnn>....yes?
16:39<ifvoid>hmm
16:39<kandrex>to clarify totally the doubts
16:39<ifvoid>SHinnn: so, try downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso andd try booting from that cd
16:39<SHinnn>cause the guide says to download the image first the open with
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16:39<SHinnn>ok Void will do
16:40<chealer>SHinnn: iso recorder is for burning, not downloading
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16:40<chealer>SHinnn: and please call people by their nickname, not "sir"
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16:41<kandrex>ifvoid: so, thanks I estimate very much your help
16:41<ifvoid>you're welcome
16:41<ifvoid>I estimate your questions, too
16:41<ifvoid>;)
16:41<Nemoder>Shinn: if you want a more advanced app for burning images in windows try this: http://cdburnerxp.se
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16:42<kandrex>debain spirit
16:42<nosek>can anyone tell me please, how to join other IRC channels?
16:42<SHinnn>chealer I am using the iso recorder to burn
16:42*gravity chuckles
16:42<nosek>I want to join #hackme.pl
16:42<ifvoid>nosek: just type /join #perl
16:42<nosek>but I have never tried IRC m4
16:42<SHinnn>I am using firefox to download
16:42<ifvoid>or /join #hackme.pl
16:42<chealer>SHinnn: yes, but I asked what you used to *download*, not burn
16:43<nosek>thx a lot :)
16:43<SHinnn>I mentioned it above haha
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16:43<SHinnn>well sorry I answered iFvoid >_>
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16:45<chealer>SHinnn: would Debian testing/lenny also be OK?
16:45<ReallyStonedGuy>So anyone celebrating the holiday?
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16:45<SHinnn>chealer I am sorry but I do not follow?
16:45<SHinnn>what do you mean
16:46<chealer>SHinnn: you tried installing the stable version of Debian. you could try installing the testing version, which is newer, but not yet released.
16:47<witte>chealer: wouldn't it be better that he tried etch with a newer kernel instead?
16:47<ifvoid>chealer: why would he do that? His kardware is rather old
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16:47<SHinnn>should I create the CD that you requested ifvoid?
16:47<SHinnn>it's done downloading now
16:48<chealer>witte: I don't know, that's why I asked. are there etch 1/2 test images yet?
16:48<witte>!etchnhalf
16:48<dpkg>etchnhalf is probably "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf
16:48<witte>!etch 2.6.24
16:48<witte>!etch 2.6.23
16:48<dpkg>hmm... etch 2.6.23 is kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
16:48<chealer>ifvoid: yes, but it may be, for example, a Linux 2.6.18 bug
16:49<ifvoid>chealer: unlikely
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16:49<chealer>ifvoid: and how likely do you think it is that his download from HTTP is corrupted?
16:49<ifvoid>not unlikely
16:50<ifvoid>also the burning to cdrom could have failed
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16:50<chealer>ifvoid: failed in what way?
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16:51<ifvoid>chealer: it's windows, It fails in all kinds of uncomprehensible ways...
16:53<chealer>ifvoid: heh. but you told him to download again, not just re-burn. I don't think a corruption via HTTP download is much more likely than a Linux bug.
16:53<ifvoid>well, if the netinst also doesn;t work, I would also start thinking about some bug
16:56<chealer>ifvoid: yes. but trying lenny could help with any of the 3 possibilities
16:57<ifvoid>this is a new user
16:57<ifvoid>he should not be running lenny if at all possible
16:57*Gathond would consider it a miracle if an error occured which allowed the image to boot, but just fail to find a cdrom
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16:57<ReallyStonedGuy>so nobody here celebrates today's holiday?
16:57<Gathond>is today a holiday?
16:57<ReallyStonedGuy>of course.
16:57<witte>ReallyStonedGuy: everyone is
16:57<Gathond>well other than it being a sunday
16:58<ReallyStonedGuy>no
16:58<ReallyStonedGuy>Gathond, are you serious?
16:58<Gathond>ReallyStonedGuy: yes
16:58<witte>it is Tiradentes in Brazil
16:58<ReallyStonedGuy>come on.. nobody knows what day it is?
16:58<abrotman>ReallyStonedGuy: how is this related to Debian?
16:59<ifvoid>ReallyStonedGuy: yeah, please stay ontopic
16:59<ReallyStonedGuy>abrotman, happy devs = better code
16:59<ifvoid>ReallyStonedGuy: this is not a channel for general chatter
16:59<ReallyStonedGuy>what channel would that be?
16:59<abrotman>!ot
16:59<DaCapn>He's trolling.
16:59<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
16:59<ReallyStonedGuy>no I'm not
16:59<ReallyStonedGuy>I'll join the other channel
17:00<Gathond>great, meanwhile I'll go to bed, night
17:00<ReallyStonedGuy>Gathond, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture)
17:00<ReallyStonedGuy>Gathond, night
17:00<abrotman>ReallyStonedGuy: STOP
17:00<ReallyStonedGuy>abrotman, stop what?
17:01<chealer>Gathond: but the exact error is "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted.". which doesn't necessarily mean no disk was found. though I seem to remember that an integrity check would result in a different error.
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17:01<Gathond>chealer: might be
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17:02<chealer>s/integrity check/integrity check failure/
17:03<SHinnn>I get the same error ifvoid
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17:03<SHinnn>I go through keyboard selection
17:03<SHinnn>then it loads something..then I get that error
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17:04<ifvoid>hmm
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17:05<HaMMiE>i got to my bedroom to dream
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17:05<HaMMiE>good bye and good night
17:05<SHinnn>night
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17:07<offby1>Should I expect the debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso CD to detect the wireless adaptor on my laptop?
17:07<offby1>'cuz it didn't :-|
17:07<abrotman>depends on the wireless adapter
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17:08<Snadder>Anyone know which package curl-config is in?
17:08<offby1>abrotman: how would I find out?
17:08<abrotman>!tell Snadder about search
17:08<abrotman>offby1: it's your laptop .. you should know
17:08<offby1>?
17:09<offby1>you mean, I should know what wireless adapter is in it, or whether it's supported by the business card CD?
17:09<witte>offby1: if the wireless card is in the kernel, yes, otherwise, not during install
17:09<abrotman>is the system already insatlled?
17:09<offby1>nope
17:09-!-Nazcafan [~fou@vau06-2-82-238-190-59.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
17:09<abrotman>so where are you in the installer?
17:09<offby1>just booted off the CD, and it tried to configure the network via DHCP, and failed.
17:09<Nazcafan>at last I found the reason why sazanami was NOT hinted
17:09<offby1>I didn't see the little wireless antenna light light up.
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17:09<Nazcafan><!-- We can't hint CJK fonts well, so turn off hinting for CJK fonts. -->
17:10<abrotman>offby1: you could google the web and see what they say .. or use the console in the installer (ctrl-alt-f2 IIRC) and use lspci
17:10<SHinnn>guys can I ask you a question
17:10<SHinnn>can I download this on my better PC without losing my data on it?
17:11<offby1>abrotman: lspci shows it ... but I don't really know what that means.
17:11<offby1>I suspect I should try the bigger CD image ... does that sound reasonable?
17:11<abrotman>can you tell us what it says ?
17:11<Snadder>abrotman, thanks.. I forgot to do an apt-search update..
17:11<offby1>sure
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17:11<offby1>03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
17:12-!-mode/#debian [+l 379] by debhelper
17:12<Nazcafan>mhh
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17:12<Nazcafan>I think this chipset requires a firmware in order to be used
17:12<witte>!ipw3945
17:12<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. See also <ipw3945-fu>
17:12<witte>!iwlwifi
17:12<dpkg>i guess iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree>
17:13<SHinnn>oid
17:13<witte>offby1: and if you use a installer with kernel > 2.6.23, you should be ok
17:13<witte>!etch 2.6.23
17:13<dpkg>etch 2.6.23 is probably kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
17:13<SHinnn>*Void are you there?
17:13<offby1>witte: yikes, wait; it'll take me a while to absorb all that
17:14<Nazcafan>witte: but is the firmware-iwlwifi package included in the install CD ?
17:14<witte>offby1: it is just that you need ipw3945 with an old kernel, and iwlwifi for higher kernels
17:14<witte>offby1: but iwlwifi would be included in the kernel
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17:14<offby1>witte: hold on
17:14<Nazcafan>recent kernel
17:15<Nazcafan>I installed debian on my macbook
17:15<Nazcafan>and the wifi is a mess
17:15<witte>Nazcafan: well, i think you do not need a binary driver for iwlwifi
17:15<offby1>witte: so are you suggesting that I not try to install via the wireless adaptor, but instead install some other way; and then afterwards install the iwlwifi package?
17:15<Nazcafan>witte: binary firmware
17:16<offby1>witte: dumb it down
17:16<Nazcafan>offby1: it depends
17:16<Flakk>Hello people, I have a strange problem which never occurred before. I am using debian etch. I can not boot the machine, it stops with the message:ACPI: Core revision 20060707. Any help?
17:16<offby1>I barely understand any of this.
17:16<Nazcafan>offby1: in order to make your wireless adapter work, you need 2 things
17:16<offby1>Nazcafan: ok ...
17:16<Nazcafan>offby1: a driver which is ran by your CPU
17:16<offby1>sure
17:16<Nazcafan>and a piece of code called firmware, which is run by the wireless adapter itself
17:17<abrotman>witte: that .23 is outdated
17:17<abrotman>witte: kmuto has a .24 now
17:17<offby1>I assumed "firmware" meant it is already on my machine, in the form of chips.
17:17<Nazcafan>offby1: it is not
17:17<offby1>oh.
17:17<witte>offby1: no, i suggested ot install the etch netinstall of kmuto, which has the newest kernel, and would work directly
17:17<witte>Nazcafan: did you check out http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook?
17:17<witte>!tell offby1 about etch 2.6.23
17:17<abrotman>!kmuto
17:17<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
17:17<Nazcafan>offby1: let us say that the driver kinds of injects it
17:17<Nazcafan>witte: I spent all my week end on it
17:18<abrotman>dpkg: no etch 2.6.23 is <reply> see kmuto
17:18<dpkg>abrotman: okay
17:18<SHinnn>can anyone tell me if it's possible to download Debian to a HardDrive without losing the data in it?
17:18<witte>abrotman: yes, you are right, but the dpkg factoid was wrong...
17:18<abrotman>wrong?
17:18<witte>abrotman: oh, you corrected it, thanks
17:18<chealer>witte: just a binary firmware, as Nazcafan. the driver is GPL. but you can't use IPW 3945 in the installer anyway.
17:18<Nazcafan>offby1: if the kernel version of your install CD is superior or equal to 2.6.24, the driver should be built in
17:18<witte>abrotman: it was outdated...
17:18<offby1>I fear this is more complexity than I can handle. No offense, but I wonder if there's a different distro that will be easier for me to install. (I tried ubuntu, and it sorta works most of the time, but the wireless flakes out for no reason )
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17:18<offby1>Nazcafan: bummer, the kernel on the CD is 2.6.18
17:19<Nazcafan>offby1: what are you trying to install?
17:19<Nazcafan>offby1: stable, testing, unstable?
17:19<offby1>Nazcafan: ultimately, I'm trying to install any free *nix-like OS that I can find that will install easily and work reliably.
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17:19<offby1>I don't care what it is as long as it meets those criteria.
17:19<SHinnn>can anyone tell me if it's possible to download Debian to a HardDrive without losing the data in it?
17:19<offby1>haven't found one yet after years of searching on and off
17:20<Nazcafan>offby1: As far as I am concerned, debian is not very easy to install, but works very reliably
17:20<offby1>yeah, I've used it happily on desktops for years
17:20<Nazcafan>offby1: do you have an ethernet plug by here ?
17:20<offby1>Nazcafan: yes.
17:20<offby1>I can certainly install via ethernet if that's the thing to do.
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17:20<Nazcafan>offby1: that is the fastest way, imho
17:21<offby1>I hesitate to spend the time doing so, however, unless I am reasonably sure that I will wind up with something which properly runs the wireless adaptor.
17:21<witte>offby1: that is what I would advice, getting the wireless to work afterwards won't be so difficult
17:21<offby1>witte: ok.
17:21<Nazcafan>just install it using the ethernet, then upgrade the kernel version to the latest and just install the firmware package
17:21<offby1>witte: so precisely what steps do you suggest I do once I install via ethernet?
17:21<abrotman>he doesn't have to upgrade the kernel
17:21<offby1>Nazcafan: ah, ok. What's the name of the package, again?
17:21<Nazcafan>don't remember
17:21<offby1>oh :-|
17:22<abrotman>after his install
17:22<abrotman>!ipw3945
17:22<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. See also <ipw3945-fu>
17:22<abrotman>done!
17:22<offby1>ipw3945-modules-whatever.
17:22<offby1>thanks.
17:22*offby1 copies all that stuff down
17:22<witte>offby1: or you install the newest kernel, and do /msg dpkg iwlwifi, or you use the old kernel and do what /msg dpkg ipw3945 says
17:22<Flakk>Hello people, I have a strange problem which never occurred before. I am using debian etch. I can not boot the machine, it stops with the message:ACPI: Core revision 20060707. Any help?
17:22<Nazcafan>abrotman: I think iwlwifi is better and more reliable
17:22<Nazcafan>plus it is built in recent kernel versions
17:22<abrotman>Nazcafan: but it requires more items from outside stable ..
17:23<Nazcafan>abrotman: oh, he wants tu use stable?
17:23<Nazcafan>abrotman: I wasn't aware of that
17:23<abrotman>uh .. yes
17:23<Nazcafan>abrotman: in that case, iw3945 should be ok
17:24<Nazcafan>abrotman: the thing is ipw3945 requires a binary demon to run
17:25<Nazcafan>daemon
17:25<SHinnn>can anyone tell me if it's possible to download Debian to a HardDrive without losing the data in it?
17:25<abrotman>Nazcafan: i'm sure he'll be fine .. if he were that concerned about Free drivers, he'd have done research before buying the hardware
17:25<phillipsjk>Shinn, Short answer is no.
17:25<witte>SHinnn: what do you mean with download to a harddrive? install
17:26<SHinnn>well since my old machine can't download this I am going to put it in my main PC
17:26<SHinnn>can I partition it?
17:26<witte>SHinnn: how old is your old pc?
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17:26<SHinnn>it's about 5 years old witte
17:26<Nazcafan>abrotman: but does ipw3945 works well with network manager ?
17:26<chealer>SHinnn: please avoid repeating. you can download anything to a hard drive without losing data in it as long as you don't overwrite a file.
17:26<SHinnn>came with windows ME
17:27<abrotman>Nazcafan: i don't use n-m .. NFC
17:27<SHinnn>chealer
17:27<witte>SHinnn: that should still be able to run debian...
17:27*phillipsjk may have misiterpreted what was meant by "losing data"
17:27<Nazcafan>!NFC
17:27<dpkg>i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference
17:27<themill>Nazcafan: yes, ipw3945 works very nicely with networkmanager
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17:27<Nazcafan>ok then
17:27<SHinnn>witte I keep getting an error that says this Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. This probably means that the CD-ROM was not in the drive. If so you can insert it and try again
17:27<abrotman>Nazcafan: he can try it .. and if it doesn't work to his satisfaction .. go the iwlwifi route .. it's not a complicated idea
17:28<SHinnn>chealer can I make a partition on my HD with the installer?
17:28<SHinnn>without losing my Windows XP OS
17:28<chealer>SHinnn: yes
17:28<witte>SHinnn: are you writing on a rewritable cdrom?
17:28<SHinnn>no I am not witte
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17:29<SHinnn>Chealer
17:29<Nazcafan>ok, I found what part of the system was preventing sazaname-mincho and gothic to be displayed hinted
17:29<SHinnn>can you stay with me and guide me through it?
17:29<witte>SHinnn: in the installer, you could try to go to a shell, and modprobe cdrom after the cdrom failure
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17:29<SHinnn>witte...I am very new..could you tell me how?
17:29<phillipsjk>Shin: did you burn thi ISO as a *file* instead of as a disk image?
17:29<chealer>SHinnn: try getting beyond your CD-ROM error first.
17:30<SHinnn>I downloaded ISO recorder
17:30<witte>SHinnn: put in the cdrom again, boot, and if you are at "cdrom not found", push ctrl-alt-F2
17:30<SHinnn>then right clicked on the file I downloaded and clicked Copy As Image
17:30<SHinnn>ok will di
17:30<SHinnn>*do
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17:30<witte>SHinnn: if you are there, you should see a shell
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17:31<SHinnn>Shell witte?
17:31<witte>SHinnn: dos-like window ;-)
17:32<SHinnn>ok witte
17:32<SHinnn>guide me ok , I am at the boot screen
17:32<SHinnn>it says press f1 for help, or enter to boot
17:32<SHinnn>should I press enter?
17:32<witte>SHinnn: just enter should be ok
17:33<SHinnn>ok it's loading something now
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17:35<SHinnn>now im selecting english, Canada, American English Keyboard
17:35<SHinnn>now I get the error witte
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17:35<witte>SHinnn: ok, hit ctrl-alt-f2
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17:36<SHinnn>now it says please press enter to activate this console
17:36<witte>SHinnn: he asks you nicely, so please do so ;-)
17:36*witte wonders if the installer is male or female?
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17:37<SHinnn>ok now it says BusyBox , v1.1.3 Built-in shell Enter Help for a list of built in commands
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17:38<SHinnn>and below that there is " ~ # "
17:38<witte>SHinnn: try "modprobe cdrom"
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17:38<SHinnn>should I just type
17:38<SHinnn>modprobe cdrom?
17:38<SHinnn>or with the quotes
17:38<witte>without quotes
17:38<SHinnn>ok
17:38<SHinnn>nothing happens
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17:39<SHinnn>it gives me another ~#
17:39<witte>ok, that is normal
17:39<witte>ctrl-alt-f1 should bring you back to the installer
17:39<witte>and if it is not F1, try some others until you are in the installer :-)
17:39<SHinnn>Witte
17:39<SHinnn>I get the same error
17:40<witte>you retried scannign for the cdrom?
17:40<SHinnn>what do you mean?
17:40<witte>push "ESC"
17:40<SHinnn>I pressed alt+ctrl+f1
17:40<SHinnn>ok
17:41<SHinnn>now continue correct?
17:41<witte>if everything is ok, you should get a menu
17:41<SHinnn>yep
17:41<witte>yes
17:41<SHinnn>got it
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17:41<SHinnn>what should I do now witte?
17:41<david>sup fags
17:41<Flakk>Hello people, I have a strange problem which never occurred before. I am using debian etch. I can not boot the machine, it stops with the message:ACPI: Core revision 20060707. Any help?
17:42<david>suck mah dick
17:42-!-david is now known as Guest956
17:42<witte>SHinnn: take the option load drivers from cdrom (or somehting like that)
17:42-!-Guest956 is now known as santa11
17:43<santa11>hey fanny
17:43<SHinnn>yes Sir, now it gives me an option to type
17:43<santa11>if it aint booting
17:43<SHinnn>something about PCMCIA resource options
17:43<santa11>chuck it out the window
17:43<santa11>then
17:43<santa11>suck mah dick
17:44<SHinnn>santta11 grow up and go get a life
17:44-!-sysop4 [~sysop@99-202-158-149.area7.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:44<santa11>kiss mah ass SHinn
17:44<SHinnn>lol
17:44<SHinnn>anything else?
17:44<witte>!ops santa11 is trolling
17:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: witte complains about: santa11 is trolling
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17:44-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*david@78.144.152.*] by Ganneff
17:44-!-santa11 was kicked from #debian by Ganneff [santa11]
17:45<offby1>wow, pretty quick response times!
17:45<SHinnn>thank you
17:45<SHinnn>I hate people like that honestly
17:45<witte>Ganneff: you also had to kick him yesterday..., maybe somehting more permanent can be done?
17:46<SHinnn>something about PCMCIA resource options witte..what should I type?
17:46<witte>is it a laptop?
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17:46<SHinnn>no witte
17:46<SHinnn>desktop
17:46<witte>SHinnn: in that case, you shouldn't have any pcmcia
17:46<witte>so nothing
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17:47-!-mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ
17:47<SHinnn>I have to start over again
17:47-!-mode/#debian [+b *santa1*!*@*] by Maulkin
17:47<SHinnn>since it was idle it's locked
17:47-!-mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin
17:47<SHinnn>I can't do anything =S
17:47<SHinnn>or is there some way I can work with it again?
17:47<Maulkin>SHinnn: If he comes back again, it's kline time.
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17:48<witte>SHinnn: huh, the installer timed out or what?
17:48<SHinnn>yep
17:48<SHinnn>im starting over again Wiite
17:48<SHinnn>*witte
17:48<witte>Maulkin: thanks for the kicking, but Ganneff did that
17:48<plugwash>i'm trying to work on a package that uses quilt
17:49<plugwash>I set QUILT_PATCHES to debian/patches, and do quilt new 04_const_fixes.diff to create a new patch
17:49<witte>SHinnn: never heard of that?
17:49<Maulkin>witte: see what the hostmasks set were :)
17:49<plugwash>but while a new entry in the series is made no patch appears any idea what i'm doing wrong?
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17:49-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*david@78.144.152.*] by Ganneff
17:50<themill>Maulkin, Ganneff: that one's a repeat offender. He was here about 24 hours ago too.
17:50<@Ganneff>we know that
17:50<witte>Maulkin: I do not really know what those things mean that you ops do :-), i just know that you kick them :-)
17:50<themill>just checking
17:50<themill>Maulkin, Ganneff: thanks ;)
17:51<Maulkin>witte: Ganneff kick + banned him (matching mask *!*david@78.144.152.*), I added a mask on (*santa1*!*@*)
17:51<SHinnn>witte
17:51<SHinnn>I get the same error again
17:51<SHinnn>=(
17:51<Maulkin>themill: No, you have to *hug* Ganneff. He really likes that.
17:51<chealer>SHinnn: try running "Detect and mount CD-ROM" twice
17:51<@Ganneff>Maulkin: now, get on topic again. thanks.
17:52<SHinnn>same issue Sir
17:52<witte>Maulkin: ok, thanks for the explanation
17:53<themill>:)
17:53<SHinnn>witte any ideas?
17:53<witte>SHinnn: can you try again the modprobe in ctrl-alt-f2 and then detect and mount cdrom again
17:54<witte>SHinnn: this time without timeout :P
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17:54<SHinnn>same sir
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17:54<chealer>plugwash: are you working on improving a package in Debian?
17:54<SHinnn>:(
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17:55<witte>SHinnn: sorry, in that case my solutions are sold out
17:55<vxdscn>Hello which package do I need to install before I can mount OpenBSD partition under Etch ?
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17:55<witte>vxdscn: which filesystem would that be?
17:55<chealer>SHinnn: please call people by their nickname, not "sir". you can try installing the testing version instead (lenny)
17:55<vxdscn>witte: OpenBSD
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17:56<witte>vxdscn: and i don't think you need a package for that
17:56<vxdscn>witte: UFS
17:56<witte>vxdscn: do they have their own filesystem
17:56<witte>ah, ok
17:56<SHinnn>wiite
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17:56<SHinnn>may I ask you for a favour?
17:56<witte>SHinnn: you may ask, i just do not promise anything :-)
17:57<SHinnn>I am willing to download it to my main PC, could you guide me through the partition
17:57<SHinnn>I don't want to lose my windows XP OS
17:57<SHinnn>=S
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17:57<witte>vxdscn: you need to modprobe ufs_fs
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17:58<witte>SHinnn: euhm, the repartitioning used to be tricky, i am not sure that it is safe to repartition ntfs
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17:58<SHinnn>ok quick question then
17:58<SHinnn>will I be able to run apache and mysql
17:58<plugwash>chealer, i'm working on a patch for a FTBFS, I got my answer over in debian-mentors though
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17:58<SHinnn>that's what I need
17:59<SHinnn>as long as I have that I don't mind losing anything
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18:00<SHinnn>I have a Dell Dimension DM061, Intel Core Duo CPU 3.06GHz, 0.99 GB of RAM
18:00<witte>SHinnn: I am also not sure that the repartitioner is in the installer? maybe someone else can answer that?
18:00<SHinnn>whhich image should I get Witte?
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18:00<witte>SHinnn: just the i386 probably
18:01<witte>SHinnn: just the same as you already have
18:02<SHinnn>ok
18:02<SHinnn>anyone here willing to help me with the partitioner?
18:03<plugwash>the debian installer can resize ntfs, as always the official line is that backups are reccomeneded ;)
18:04<chealer>vxdscn: why, does something make you think you need a package?
18:05<chealer>SHinnn: just ask your question
18:05<witte>plugwash: thanks, i was not sure about that (long time ago that i had ntfs on a pc of mine :P)
18:05<SHinnn>chealer ok Thank you
18:05<SHinnn>i will backup my files now just incase
18:05<SHinnn>I also have a question, after the partition
18:06<SHinnn>is it possible to later on to remove one partition so the other gets more space?
18:07<witte>SHinnn: resizing generally is possible, but not always without troubles
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18:07<SHinnn>what kind of trouble witte?
18:07<witte>SHinnn: imho you should avoid resizing and beforehand try to plan the layout you will end with
18:08<witte>SHinnn: it can fail horribly :-)
18:08<witte>SHinnn: losing both partitions (note that those bad stories I know of are already quite old, so maybe no longer valid)
18:09<SHinnn>ok can I ask another question then, what if I run out of space since my hard drive is only 80GB
18:09<witte>SHinnn: or even worse, losing the partition table, and loosing all information on the disk :-)
18:09<SHinnn>can I install a new HD later
18:09<SHinnn>and transfer all the data from one partition to the other?
18:09<witte>SHinnn: of course, and only 80 GB, that is normally more than enough
18:10<SHinnn>because windows XP is taking 40gigs already witte
18:10<witte>SHinnn: yes, transfers are also possible, generally, everything you can think of is possible
18:10<SHinnn>so I am thinking I should cut it but half?
18:10<chealer>SHinnn: yes, but as witte wrote resizing can be hard, you should avoid it. particularly, a newbie practically can't move the start of an ext3 partition by himself.
18:10<witte>SHinnn: my girlfriend has a linux partition of 4 GB
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18:10<SHinnn>but thing is this is a server
18:11<SHinnn>I got about 300 Users
18:11<witte>SHinnn: that is 4GB containing her entire linux (home directory etc)
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18:11<SHinnn>so if I do run out of space later on..I will need to transfer
18:11<witte>SHinnn: ok 300 users would probably need a bit more space
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18:11<witte>SHinnn: but don't worry, you can move if needed
18:11<SHinnn>ok awsome
18:11<SHinnn>do I still need to back up?
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18:11<SHinnn>or can I just go ahead
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18:12<witte>SHinnn: you always need to backup
18:12<witte>!backup
18:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at ...
18:12<plugwash>chealer, why not? it's pretty much a point and click operation in a tool like gparted
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18:12<SHinnn>anyone know how to back up a DELL desktop
18:12<SHinnn>>_>
18:12<corrner>Lol dell
18:13<corrner>ISO the hdd?
18:13<witte>SHinnn: write everything that you would need again on a cd or dvd
18:13<SHinnn>...it was in my dudget!@
18:13<SHinnn>*budget ...dudget =.=
18:13<corrner>Heh, fair enough.
18:13<chealer>plugwash: with gparted installed on the filesystem being moved?
18:13<witte>SHinnn: you don't need to backup windows as you would have to reinstall it anyhow if it fails
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18:14<corrner>Make sure you can reactivate it though
18:14<corrner>Windoze is a bugger for that
18:14<SHinnn>I have the S/N
18:14<plugwash>chealer, thats what the gparted livecd is for
18:14<corrner>Or knoppix
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18:15<corrner>Knoppix is great
18:16<corrner>Anyone here use it?
18:16<plugwash>used it in the past but not recently
18:17<chealer>plugwash: well, using a live CD is already far being "point and click"
18:18<plugwash>maybe, but it's not exactly difficult either
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18:19<SHinnn>this is going to take awhile
18:19<corrner>What are you backing up onto?
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18:19<corrner>Disks?
18:19<SHinnn>external HD
18:20<corrner>Mmm yeah, that takes time. I backed up to a networked comp once, worked nicely.
18:20<corrner>Thank god for ethernet
18:20<SHinnn>haha
18:20<SHinnn>quick question while it backs up, can you remote a linux using a windows PC?
18:21<angasule>hmm, I want to have a real file system (permissions, like ext2) on my pen drive, but I want to keep the pen drive as fat for general use (my car stereo reads fat)
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18:21<corrner>SHinnn: Umm I dont know about a win pc controlling linux but I controlled a win pc from linux
18:21<angasule>so, I made an image file, made an ext2 filesystem inside, but I'm not sure how to /shrink/ it, apparently growing the system is easy
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18:22<corrner>sngasule: couldn't you just dual partition it in Gparted or something akin to that?
18:23<angasule>corrner: I could, but I want to resize the partition often
18:24<corrner>angasule: Wouldn't that corrupt the data?
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18:24<angasule>corrner: well, I want to resize without corruption :)
18:25<corrner>angasule: *chuckles* good luck with that dude..
18:25<angasule>making the image file bigger is trivial, resizing the ext2 filesystem (to grow and to shrink) is not difficult, but I don't know how to make the image smaller in a safe (or semi-safe) way
18:25<angasule>thanks :)
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18:26<corrner>If I could resize a partiton without corrupting data I would have done that to my Archos 605 and crammed knoppix on there.
18:26<witte>SHinnn: you can use ssh to log in onto a linux box
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18:27<angasule>corrner: it's not the safest operation, but it can be done, the problem is resizing an image file
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18:28<corrner>I did it to a 1GB usb thumbdrive but its a whole diffrent story because of the size,formating and the data I have on it.
18:28<corrner>And I want more room
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18:30<angasule>hmm
18:30<angasule>I think I did with with dd
18:30<angasule>I just set it to chop off the end of the file
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18:31<angasule>/home/angasule/hoopy/frood.img 49M 1.1M 45M 3% /media/galaxy <-- used to be 100MB
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18:32<corrner>Nice
18:32<angasule>now, I have no idea how that would work if I had files in the fs ;)
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18:32<angasule>because I have no idea if the ext2 partition was actually at the beginning of the file, hmm
18:32<corrner>Might turn to scrambled eggs. Lol
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18:33<plugwash>to resize a filesystem image you would resize the filesystem first using the appropriate tool
18:33<plugwash>then use dd or a similar tool to resize the image itself
18:33<corrner>I think he left lol
18:34<angasule>plugwash: yes, I did that
18:36<angasule>I did "e2fsck -f /dev/loop0 ; resize2fs /dev/loop0 50M ; dd if=frood.img of=frad.img bs=1M count=55 ; resize2fs /dev/loop0"
18:36<angasule>the final resize was so that the ext2 filesystem would use the whole thing
18:36<angasule>but, is it guaranteed the partition was in the first 50MB? couldn't it have been using the last 50MB instead?
18:37<angasule>err, I swapped frad.img to frood.img before doing the final resize, obviously ;)
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18:39<plugwash>yes, the filesystem will be at the beggining of the device it is on
18:39<plugwash>so what you did was fine
18:39<angasule>thanks :)
18:39<angasule>thank you everybody for the help
18:40<SHinnn>witte
18:40<SHinnn>are you here?
18:40<corrner>Wish I coulda helped more dude
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18:41<witte>SHinnn: yes, but you can ask your question to anyone...
18:41<SHinnn>ah ok
18:41<SHinnn>well im going to go through the setup now
18:41<SHinnn>one more quick question
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18:41<SHinnn>if everything works as predeicted
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18:41<SHinnn>can I go back and remove the windows XP partition later?
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18:42<witte>SHinnn: depends on what you predict etc, but removing is generally always possible, it is recovering that is generally more challenging
18:43<SHinnn>ok good
18:43<davi>witte, make-kpkg is not able to compile linux kernel source 2.6.25
18:43<weasel>lies.
18:43<SHinnn>also one last question haha
18:43<SHinnn>install MySQL by typing:
18:43<SHinnn>CODE
18:43<SHinnn>root@host ~#apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1 libmysqlclient15-dev
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18:44<witte>davi: it should be possible, but i did not try it myself
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18:45<SHinnn>Hello
18:45<witte>!paste
18:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:45<SHinnn>yea
18:45<SHinnn>found that out now
18:45<SHinnn>lol
18:45<SHinnn>anyways can those be done on debian?
18:46<witte>SHinnn: you want a debian lamp server?
18:46<witte>!lamp
18:46<dpkg>from memory, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/
18:47<witte>SHinnn: http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&q=debian+etch+lamp&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta=
18:47<davi>witte, I am compiling it using just 'make'
18:47<witte>davi: and that does work?
18:47<SHinnn>witte
18:47<SHinnn>I need those things..but I also want it to have a GUI I can work with
18:48<davi>it is compiling yet. I will install it into grub when ready. Next week :)
18:48<witte>!tell SHinnn about set up x
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18:49<SHinnn>witte?
18:49<witte>if you want to have a gui environment, you need to set up X
18:49<Nemoder>SHinnn: you are better off installing programs you need by searching aptitude or synaptic
18:50<angasule>I wonder if there is a way to chop a file without using dd, so I don't have to rewrite so much stuff
18:50<witte>SHinnn: but if you chose desktop install, you should get a gui desktop after install...
18:50<witte>SHinnn: how far are you now?
18:50<SHinnn>I am done backing up now
18:50<SHinnn>I just need to know what I need exactly before I proceed
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18:51<SHinnn>I need a GUI, MySQL, PHP, Apache, mySQL admin
18:51<witte>SHinnn: if you select desktop, you will have a gui, if you need apache, mysql, php ... google for "debian etch lamp"
18:52<themill>angasule: man split , perhaps?
18:52<angasule>themill: that creates new files, I would like to chop in place
18:52<SHinnn>witte debian etch lamp...is this another Linux? or is it like an install for Debian
18:53<themill>angasule: ahh...
18:55<phillipsjk>angasule, hexedit?
18:56<angasule>is that a serious suggestion or you're just pulling my leg?
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18:57<SHinnn>debian etch lamp...is this another Linux? or is it like an install for Debian
18:57<SHinnn>=S
18:57<phillipsjk>It has a cut function. I don't quite det what you mean by "cutting in place"
18:58<witte>SHinnn: lamp is just short for linux + apache + mysql + php
18:58<witte>SHinnn: lots of people seem to want to install those programs together
18:58<witte>SHinnn: it is a normal debian, with afterwards some extra packages installed
18:58*phillipsjk has installed, but not used hexedit
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18:59<SHinnn>ah ok witte so you are telling me the CD I made is no use
18:59<SHinnn>and that I should make a new image CD of Debian LAMP?
18:59<witte>SHinnn: no, i am not telling that
18:59<SHinnn>oh God I am so confused
18:59<witte>SHinnn: with debian, you install the basis system from cd, the rest you get automatically from the internet
19:00<SHinnn>oh I see
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19:00<weasel>well, who in their right mind would burn like 15 CDs
19:00<SHinnn>so after I intall the Debian from my CD
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19:00<corrner>What about 3 DVD's?
19:00<SHinnn>I can download LAMP off the net directly to the OS?
19:00<corrner>The DVD ISO's are'nt that bad
19:01<witte>SHinnn: h
19:01<witte>SHinnn: yes
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19:02<witte>SHinnn: and lamp is just a name representing the collection apache php and mysql which will give you many useful hits on google
19:02<SHinnn>ok awsome
19:02<SHinnn>witte since there is this time out thing..guide me through ok..I don't want to screw this up =(
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19:04<witte>SHinnn: http://linux.justinhartman.com/Setting_up_a_LAMP_Server
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19:04<witte>SHinnn: but first i will get myself a beer :P
19:04<witte>!beer witte
19:04*dpkg pours a quart of Piraat for witte
19:05<SHinnn>pour me some too mate
19:05<SHinnn>I need it
19:05<SHinnn>lol
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19:07<SHinnn>anyone have a Dell?
19:08<SHinnn>care to tell me how to boot it up with CD
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19:08<SHinnn>never done it on dell
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19:09<SHinnn>ok
19:09<SHinnn>witte you with me?
19:09<SHinnn>lol
19:09<witte>!beer SHinnn
19:09*dpkg pulls out a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for SHinnn
19:09<LineOf7s>Log rotation: I have some mail logs that (as a test) are set to rotate when empty, and "delay compression until next cycle". After two forced rotations (using Webmin), they end up looking like this: http://www.pastebin.org/30995 Where do I find the setting that determines naming conventions for log rotation? Help me Obi-Wan - you're my only hope.
19:09<SHinnn>ok here it goes
19:09<SHinnn>loading
19:09<witte>!webmin
19:09<dpkg>rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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19:10<SHinnn>yea see witte nothing was wrong with CD
19:10<SHinnn>it was my PC
19:10<SHinnn>=P
19:10<LineOf7s>Okay... but you're not going to make this a Webmin thing, surely?
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19:11<witte>LineOf7s: i just wanted you to know that webmin is not wise to use...
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19:11<SHinnn>witte, configure the network screen
19:11<SHinnn>what goes in there?
19:12<SHinnn>Domain Name:
19:12<SHinnn>but what is this?
19:12<SHinnn>I use Sympatico internet
19:12<SHinnn>do I put that?
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19:13<LineOf7s>Thankyou witte. I accept that. It's the kind of thing that tends not to be, yes. Still, I see nothing in logrotate.conf about naming defaults, and searching online (which I'm normally pretty good at) has failed me. So here I am, throwing myself on the mercy of the otherwise-illuminated.
19:14<witte>SHinnn: just put enter if you don't know
19:14<witte>SHinnn: your network should be configured automatically
19:14<witte>LineOf7s: I am not sure what you mean, but are you looking for /etc/logrotate.conf?
19:14<witte>SHinnn: at least if your isp gives you automatically an ip
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19:15<abrotman>LineOf7s: it might be /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd
19:15<SHinnn>ok
19:15<SHinnn>but these info can be changed later right witte?
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19:15<LineOf7s>wiite: No - I know where logrotate.conf is. I'm trying to avoid this: http://www.pastebin.org/30995
19:15<LineOf7s>ty abrotman - I'll look into that right now.
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19:16<witte>argh, stupid university network. I got kicked because i typed 4 sentences in less than 2 minutes
19:16<LineOf7s>Flood! :o)
19:16<weasel>no, you got kicked because they all arrived here at the same time.
19:17<SHinnn>but these info can be changed later right witte?
19:17<witte>weasel: yeah, the network here is not always acceptable...
19:17<witte>SHinnn: yes
19:17<SHinnn>ok
19:17<LineOf7s>abrotman: Nothing obvious in there. I checked the one in cron.weekly too.
19:17<LineOf7s>Thankyou, though.
19:17<abrotman>maybe the exim4-base scripts ?
19:17<SHinnn>ok Witte
19:17<SHinnn>i am at partition disks
19:18<SHinnn>I see 5 options
19:19<witte>SHinnn: if you want to keep your windows, you probably want manual, but you can try automatic, and see if it does what you want (you can return to this step)
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19:19<SHinnn>Use the largest continuous free space , Use entire disk , Use enitre disk and set up LVM
19:19<SHinnn>oh ok
19:19<LineOf7s>abrotman: Nothing's leaping out at me. I believe I've tripped over these once before (back when I didn't care and it didn't matter), but I could well be making that up.
19:19<SHinnn>manual it is then Sir!
19:20<witte>SHinnn: did you remove a partition from windows? meaning that you have a unpartitioned area on your disk?
19:20<SHinnn>I never had partitions on it
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19:20<SHinnn>it was one windows OS HD
19:21<witte>SHinnn: you still need to partition? ok, take manual
19:21<SHinnn>ok did that witte
19:21<SHinnn>now what do I do?..would you like me to type the options?
19:21<witte>ok, now select the windows partion, and select resize...
19:22<SHinnn>hmm #1 primary 41.1MB fat16 #2Primary 76.7GB B ntfs #3Primary 3.2GB fat 32 Pri/log 8.2MB FREE SPACE
19:23<SHinnn>also right above those there is this option "SCST1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 80.GB ATA
19:23<grummund>given a patch that contains differences of several files, how can i tell patch to operate on a single source file?
19:23<witte>SHinnn: strange config, probably there is some specific stuff on that disk from dell
19:24<SHinnn>yea :S
19:24<witte>SHinnn: let's say that the chances on failure just increased :-)
19:25<SHinnn>lol
19:25<SHinnn>ok witte can I ask you something
19:25<SHinnn>I will isntall fully
19:25<witte>SHinnn: meaning failure to use windows afterwards (but it could be that it is no problem)
19:25<SHinnn>oh ok
19:25<blarson>grummund: edit the patch
19:25<SHinnn>what should I pick Witte
19:25<SHinnn>#1 primary?
19:26<witte>SHinnn: take the #2
19:26<witte>it is no use resizing 40 MB
19:26<SHinnn>ok
19:26<grummund>blarson: thanks, i guessed as much.... just hoping for a patch option
19:26<SHinnn>now I see partition settings
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19:27<SHinnn>use as : do not use bootable flag: on resize the partition (currently 76.7GB)
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19:31<SHinnn>witte?
19:32<witte>SHinnn: well, if you want to resize the partition, the option "resize the partition" seems logical
19:32<vex>so I run 2.6.22-3-vserver-sparc64, debian etch, and when i dist-upgrade, it wants to install linux-image-2.6-sparc64.
19:32<vex>is there a way to blacklist or stop that?
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19:36<SHinnn>witte it says the min I ca put is 40%
19:36<SHinnn>when I put 40% it says invalid size
19:37<SHinnn>but there is an option of continue or go back
19:37<SHinnn>should I continue?
19:37<witte>SHinnn: you have to know if you limit the amount of space to 40 %, your windows will have no extra space left
19:37<witte>SHinnn: take 60 % or so
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19:37<witte>your linux won't be so big...
19:38<SHinnn>ok
19:38<SHinnn>it shows the same error still
19:38<SHinnn>should I just continue?
19:39<witte>try to write it in MB: 40 MB or so
19:39<SHinnn>MB?
19:39<SHinnn>40 GB?
19:39<witte>SHinnn: yes of course
19:39<SHinnn>the min size is 31.2 GM witte
19:39<SHinnn>so I should go 40GB?
19:40<SHinnn>seems..right..right?
19:40<witte>SHinnn: yes, so you will have 8 GB for windows to grow
19:40<SHinnn>=P
19:40<SHinnn>ok awsome
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19:40<SHinnn>Resize operation faliure
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19:40<SHinnn>an error occured while writting the changes to the storage devices.
19:41<witte>SHinnn: reason
19:41<SHinnn>O_O
19:41<SHinnn>The resize operation is aborted
19:41<Azag-tot>Help me please, libfuse2 (>= 2.6) is reqiured for ntfs-3g, but i have in my apt-cache 2.5.3-4.4 version only
19:41<witte>SHinnn: that sounds not so great
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19:41<SHinnn>yea
19:41<SHinnn>im shitting my pands right now
19:41<SHinnn>@_@
19:41<SHinnn>*pants
19:41<SHinnn>MOAR BEER
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19:42<witte>SHinnn: no more errors?
19:42<SHinnn>nope
19:42<SHinnn>I have option of continue or go back
19:42<witte>SHinnn: can you go to ctrl-alt-f4 and give me the errors there
19:42*phillipsjk notes the errosr may be hidden on virtual screen 4
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19:43<phillipsjk>!beer Shinnn
19:43*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for Shinnn
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19:43<witte>phillipsjk: not to much beer for SHinnn, he has to install debian this evening :P
19:44<SHinnn>NO I NEED IT
19:44<SHinnn>lol
19:44<SHinnn>ok
19:44<SHinnn>Apr 20 19:38:04 partman: Error resizing the NTFS file system
19:45<witte>SHinnn: ok, that is not very useful, we know there is an error :/
19:45<witte>SHinnn: nothing mroe?
19:45<witte>s/mroe/more/
19:45<SHinnn>nothing more
19:45<phillipsjk>Is defragmenting still needed like in the fips days?
19:45<SHinnn>well there is..but I don't thing it releated to the partition
19:45<witte>SHinnn: tell us
19:46<SHinnn>ohh I see it
19:46<witte>phillipsjk: good question, i have no idea
19:46<vex>nevermind, sorted it - # echo "linux-image-2.6-sparc64 hold"|dpkg --set-selections
19:46<vex>:
19:46<vex>:)
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19:46<snogglethorpe>phillipsjk: if you do a fsck it will tell you how much fragmentation there is (percentage of non-contiguous fules)
19:46<SHinnn>The NTFS journal is unclean, Please shutdown Windows properly then boot
19:46<snogglethorpe>phillipsjk: [at least for ext2/3 it will]
19:47*phillipsjk was asking about NTFS
19:47<snogglethorpe>ic
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19:48<witte>SHinnn: ok, you know what to do, exit the installer, reboot windows, and do everything anew
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19:48<SHinnn>how do I exit the installer?
19:48<SHinnn>O_O
19:48<SHinnn>in a safe way
19:49<witte>esc until you see the menu (do not continue) and go to exit the installer
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19:51<SHinnn>what does it mean by shutdown windows properly?
19:51<SHinnn>lol
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19:55<witte>SHinnn: start > shutdown?
19:56<SHinnn>I did that before Witte ..that's why I asked
19:56<SHinnn>:S
19:56<witte>but maybe you can take phillipsjk his advice and do a defragmentation of your windows drive before you do so
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19:57<Azag-tot>can anybody help me with my error during install ntfs-3g ?)
19:57<SHinnn>the screen is just blue now
19:57<SHinnn>oh god I am scared lol
19:58<Azag-tot>=_=
19:59<themill>!just ask
19:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
19:59<Azag-tot> libfuse2 (>= 2.6) is required, but i have 2.5.3-4.4 in my apt-cache (i'm using etch)
20:00<themill>Azag-tot: libfuse2 and ntfs-3g are both on backports.org /msg dpkg bpo
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20:01<Azag-tot>themill: i have deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free in my sources.list...
20:01<themill>Azag-tot: ok. so install libfuse2 from backports too then. "apt-cache policy libfuse2" should show it to you.
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20:03<Azag-tot>themill: Thank you very much, now i'll try to =)
20:04<Shinn>....my house power went off
20:04<Shinn>LOL..did my PC DO THAT
20:04<Shinn>@____@
20:05<witte>Shinn: is your house haunted or what?
20:05<themill>Azag-tot: you may need to instruct aptitude to install that version, e.g. aptitude install libfuse2/etch-backports
20:05<Shinn>Im scared
20:05<Shinn>like my room power got cut off
20:05<Shinn>=.=
20:05<witte>Shinn: first your cdrom did not work
20:05<witte>Shinn: next a simple install did not work, resize did not work, and now no more power
20:05<witte>Shinn: consider moving :P
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20:06<Shinn>yea
20:06<Shinn>I am very scared
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20:06<Azag-tot>themill: It shows me new version, but i can't install it (show can't find this packet )
20:08<themill>Azag-tot: Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libfuse2" along with the output of trying to install libfuse2? (please include the command as well)
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20:08<Azag-tot>themill:: I'm sorry, that's ok
20:08<themill>All sorted then?
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20:09<Azag-tot>themill: aptitude install libfuse2/etch-backports installed new version. Thanks
20:09<themill>excellent. Have fun!
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20:16<Shinn>ok witte im running it again ok
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20:25<Shinn>witte
20:25<Shinn>you there?
20:25<witte>yeah
20:25<Shinn>it says No root file system is defined
20:25<Shinn>please correct this from the partition menu
20:25<witte>Shinn: upon which step?
20:25<Shinn>I partitioned it now
20:25<witte>Shinn: after you resize your partition, you have to make a linux partition
20:25<witte>and a swap space
20:25<Shinn>ohh ok
20:26<Shinn>how do I do that
20:26<witte>you select the empty space (which comes after you reduce the windows partion) and you select new partition
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20:27<witte>Shinn: i would recommend 1 GB for a swap drive and the rest for a linux partition
20:27<Shinn>how do I do that witte?
20:27<Shinn>im on the new partition screen
20:28<Shinn>it's asking me the same info again
20:28<Shinn>says the maximum size I can use is 36.7GB
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20:29<witte>use 35.7
20:29<witte>that leaves you 1 GB for ram
20:29<witte>in principle you could put your os on multiple partition, but lets say that is something for next tiem
20:30<Shinn>ok
20:30<Shinn>so now it asks Primary or Logical
20:30<witte>Shinn: logical
20:31<witte>you already have 3 primary ones
20:31<Shinn>bok now it asks me Beginning or END
20:31<Shinn>*ok
20:31<witte>beginning is ok
20:31<Shinn>partition settings
20:32<witte>type ext3
20:32<phillipsjk>Shinn the main problem with primary is you only get 4 partitions. (logical pratitions are inside a primary one)
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20:32<witte>and mountpoint /
20:32<Shinn>use as : Ext3 journaling file system Mount Point / mount options: Defaults lbael: none
20:32<witte>phillipsjk: can you help Shinn through his installation? it is 2:30 over here...
20:33<witte>Shinn: that is ok
20:33<Shinn>reserved blocks 5% typical usuage: standards
20:33<Shinn>bootleg flag : off
20:33<witte>Shinn: this could also help: http://www.code-monkeys.org/d-i/debian-installer.html
20:33<Shinn>ok I will now select Done setting up the partition
20:33<witte>Shinn: and with the remaining 1 GB, you make a swap space
20:34<Shinn>how do I do that? should I continue witte?
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20:34<witte>yes
20:34<Shinn>ok
20:34<Shinn>Logical 1.0 GB FREE SPACE
20:34<Shinn>now what do I do?
20:35<phillipsjk>I have to got for dinner right away, but I guess I can check in later. The next sticking point will probably be choosing a mirror :P
20:35<witte>Shinn: select it?
20:35<Shinn>have a good one!
20:35<Shinn>ok
20:35<Shinn>now I see Create a new partition
20:36<Shinn>automatically partition the free space
20:36<Shinn>show cylinder/head/sector information
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20:36<witte>Shinn: it is all not that difficult, just think logical
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20:40<witte>Shinn: you managed to partition it as a swap drive
20:40<witte>?
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20:41<Shinn>sorry just came back
20:41<Shinn>puppy made a nice poop to me to pick up
20:41<Shinn>=.=
20:41<Shinn>so im gona guess create partition ?
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20:42<witte>sounds sensible
20:42<witte>:-)
20:42<witte>then use as swap
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20:42<Shinn>the max size I can use is 1gb
20:42<witte>Shinn: that's fine
20:42<Shinn>so im gona put 1gb
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20:42<Shinn>how do I do this swap thing?
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20:43<silencedbear>would anyone know how to enable port 5267 :(
20:44<abrotman>do you know what it is supposed to be that is listening there?
20:44<silencedbear>yea it would be a java based chat program
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20:44<silencedbear>it opens in a firefox window.
20:45<silencedbear>and says to refresh and makesure that nothings blocking that port.
20:45<witte>Shinn: use partition as.... swap partition
20:45<witte>Shinn: or something like that
20:45<witte>Shinn: i really am going to bed, it is almost 3h here...
20:46<Shinn>ah..please..just a few more mins?
20:46<Shinn>can anyone else help me?
20:46<witte>Shinn: ask the channel, there will be some people here who can guide you through this simple process, and you can always look here: http://www.code-monkeys.org/d-i/debian-installer.html
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20:46<witte>Shinn: the installer should be really easy normally
20:47<Shinn>ok ill someone around here
20:47<Shinn>Thank you again
20:47<witte>once you have your swap, it will basically be entering usernames, passwords and a lot of enter...
20:47<witte>no problem, good luck with it.
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20:54<tj_>gathond, how are ya?
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20:55<Shinn>anyone here know how I can use SWAP
20:55<Shinn>for my installation of linux
20:56<p_quarles>Shinn, umm, it's normally configured by default . . .
20:56<Shinn>ok did that
20:56<Shinn>do I leae bootleg flag off
20:57<Shinn>or on?
20:57<Shinn>as default it's off
20:57<Shinn>should I go with that?
20:57<Shinn>O_O
20:57<p_quarles>you definitely don't want to use swap to boot
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20:58<Shinn>ok lol
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20:59<tj_><----- has a question for anyone who can answer... I am new to linux, i have the i386 etch distro on an amd system.... my "uname -a" gives [Linux debian 2.6.18-6-486] however i snail mailed the 4 disc DVD set same images i used, but he was not able to use a net mirror due to no net connection his shows [Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686] on an intel based system... um why? is he running 64 bit off the 32 bit distro somehow?
20:59<simonrvn>!swap
20:59<dpkg>i guess swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux
20:59<simonrvn>Shinn: ^^^
21:00<Shinn>=P
21:00<Shinn>thanks
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21:01<nevyn>I thought the twice ram as swap was from the understandable VM and now we were back to having incomprehensible vm's it didn't apply anymore
21:02<phillipsjk>tj_ he just choose a kernel image with more compile-time optimizations for his CPU.
21:02<tj_>so... is it infact 32 or 64 bit?
21:02<tj_>i am new so i dont have a clear understanding
21:02<phillipsjk>32 bit I believe.
21:03<chealer>tj_: why what?
21:03<simonrvn>i tend to have ram * 2 for small amounts of ram, and less if a lot. i'd still use a swap partition on a box with say 2 gb ram, just because linux vm mgt. is more efficient with swap
21:03<phillipsjk>686 is Pentium II and newer. (so my machine can't run it.
21:03<tj_>chealer, i guess the question is why is his kernel ver. different than mine.
21:03<tj_>using the same i386 distro
21:05<chealer>tj_: it's just different Linux configuration, because you have different hardware.
21:05<p_quarles>tj_, run "apt-cache search linux-image" to see a rundown of the pre-compiled kernels available to your distro -- a particular distro arch doesn't limit you to one kernel
21:05<Shinn>should I use network mirror?
21:06<tj_>i understand that... but without installing any packages or using anything from the net.. didnt see how he could get an "outside" influence to cause a kernel change
21:06<tj_>Shinn, i dont know much... but i did, it will make sure you get the latest files
21:06<p_quarles>Shinn, unless you downloaded the DVD set, yes
21:06<Shinn>ok ty
21:07<chealer>Shinn: yes
21:07<tj_>OK, i feel better about his being 32 bit as well. i had a heck of a time when trying 64 bit myself with web media such as flash and things
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21:08<Shinn>it asks me chose software to install
21:08<tj_>next question........ He is having issues with his touchpad.. its Synaptics model unknown.. but mouse acceleration factor doesnt affect mouse speed in control center from KDE... how can i tell him to fix this?
21:08<Shinn>I need Apache, mySQL, php
21:08<Shinn>what do I pick from the menu?
21:08<Shinn>all?
21:09<Shinn>I have options of Web Server , Print server , FIle server , Mailserver, SQL server, laptop
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21:09<Shinn>I need LAMP basically
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21:10<Shinn>any ideas guys?
21:10<tj_><---- doesnt know anything about server set-ups. sorry
21:11<nevyn>web server should get you most of the way there.
21:11<tj_>no takes on synaptics touch pad?
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21:12<chealer>tj_: which touchpad does he use?
21:12<tj_>Synaptics not sure what model.
21:13<chealer>tj_: which X input driver does he use?
21:13<tj_>built in with toshiba sat u205-5057
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21:13<tj_>Clean install etch with KDE
21:13<tj_>if that helps.. not sure about the driver
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21:13<p_quarles>Shinn, if you want LAMP, choose "web server" and MySQL server"
21:13<Shinn>ok
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21:13<chealer>Shinn: do you need a print server?
21:14<Shinn>...Im not gona print stuff on this
21:14<Shinn>so no?
21:16<chealer>Shinn: indeed. do you need a mailserver?
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21:25<phillipsjk>tj_ the touchpad may be a second pointing device. (So changing the accelaration factor would only affect the "joystick" in the middle of the keyboard.
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21:27<cricket[b]>i just switched from ubuntu to debian and i'm having trouble setting up wifi... i used ndiswrapper and the driver is installed the wifi light is on.. however iwconfig does not list wlan0 nor does the network monitor have an "enable wireless" toggle... if anyone has any suggestions that would be great thanks.... chipset: 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card
21:27<tj_>chealer, if i could get you to take this into consideration for me.... On my system, i have packeage ksynaptics installed. however in Control Center-kde unter touchpad gives [You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config] pop-up... upon review of xorg.conf no touchpad section is implemented.. what to add?
21:27<Shinn>quick question
21:27<Shinn>can i download more if I need later
21:27<Shinn>like if I need a mail server later on
21:27<Shinn>can I do so?
21:28<tj_>certainly shinn
21:28<Shinn>ok awsome
21:28<Shinn>thanks
21:28<chealer>tj_: I'm not sure, but I'd start by checking which X touchpad driver he uses.
21:28<kapil>cricket[b]: does iwconfig list anything at all?
21:28<cricket[b]>kapil: no wireless extentions for lo, eth0 and sit0
21:28<tj_>chealer, would i find that info in his xorg.conf file?
21:29<tj_>lcpi didnt give any touchpad info
21:29<tj_>his works its just slow
21:29<chealer>tj_: on Debian 4, yes
21:29<Shinn>what's a DNS server?
21:30<kapil>cricket[b]: sorry. can't help. haven't used ndiswrapper.
21:30<abrotman>Shinn: it's the mechanism that converts hostnames to numbers .. like when you type www.google.com .. it converts to a number
21:30<cricket[b]>kapil: thanks anyway
21:30<Shinn>oh ok
21:30<tj_>Cricket... not sure.. have you looked for native linux drivers?
21:31<tj_>ndiswrapper is a last resort choice
21:31<cricket[b]>i haven't found any that work
21:31<tj_>ndiswrapper used windows driver files.. you would have to import them to linux and config ndiswrapper for them... have you located the xp files?
21:32<tj_>lemm look for you card cricket.. i have a realtek that was nightmare for wi-fi
21:32<cricket[b]>oh yeah i used the same winxp driver that worked in ubuntu
21:32<cricket[b]>thanks
21:33<cricket[b]>alright i found this: (1390 is working with ndiswrapper unless you have a kernel 2.6.20 then you can use bcm43xx-fwcutter)
21:34<cricket[b]>i suppose i could just install 2.6.20
21:35<kapil>cricket[b]: with the linux driver you need the firmware to be downloaded/extracted.
21:35<tj_>thats all i see too so far
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21:36<abrotman>that's what the bcm43xx-fwcutter is for
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21:37<tj_>http://douglascristiano.wordpress.com/dell-inspiron-e15
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21:37<tj_>maybe that will help
21:37<tj_>sound too easy to be ture
21:37<tj_>true
21:37<Shinn>ok guys Thank you for all the help
21:37<Shinn>it worked!@
21:38<Shinn>^_____________________________^
21:38<tj_>still going back to ndiswrapper.. is this the method you used?
21:39<abrotman>!laptop
21:39<dpkg>[laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
21:40<tj_>sorry, sounds like i'mnot your bet bet... g-luck i'v gotta dive into touchpads.
21:43<cricket[b]>yeah it is
21:43<cricket[b]>all that worked
21:43<cricket[b]>when i do ndiswrapper -l it lists the driver and everything
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21:46<tj_>and the Fn+F2 does nothing?
21:47<tj_>do other Fn combo's work correctly? maybe the driver is working correctly just isnt getting an input...
21:47<cricket[b]>nah the wifi light is on
21:48<cricket[b]>no fn button isn't working
21:50<tj_>using KDE?
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21:51<cricket[b]>gnome
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21:51<tj_>does it list it in network tools?
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21:52<cricket[b]>nope
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21:53<tj_>i wish i could help.. i am kinda new to this all.... but For me... i had to get a patched driver for my realtek and use a script to bring the driver up.... dont know if thats the case here or not...
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21:54<cricket[b]>yeah i'm not sure
21:54<cricket[b]>i'll keep plugging away at it
21:54<tj_>g-luck
21:56<cricket[b]>thanks
21:56<Claudy>hi!
21:57<Claudy>i was wondering, is there any way how i can access the shell before Xorg boots?
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21:58<Claudy>because my wonderful ibm, t20 lapflop has the terrible S3 savage chipset which is cursing at X
21:58<Claudy>>.<
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21:59<Claudy>and causing it to boot into a blank screen, and being inresponsive ever after :<
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22:04<Claudy>.
22:04<abrotman>Claudy: single user mode .. or init=/bin/sh
22:04<Claudy>hmmrrr
22:05<abrotman>Claudy: and best of luck to you with the s3 crap
22:06<Claudy>i cant help it :s
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22:06<abrotman>i know ..
22:06<Claudy>and thanks =n.n=
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22:22<joca>anyone around for some help?
22:23<phillipsjk>Claudy I am using an S3 Virge. I ended up disabling: XVideo because of screen corruption. you may want to read the man page (man s3savage)
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22:24<abrotman>!s3
22:24<dpkg>Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother.
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22:24<phillipsjk>dpkg, I disagree. They are excellent if you only need 2d accelaration!
22:24<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, phillipsjk
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22:25<Shinn>Hello
22:25<phillipsjk>yaeh, well your're a bot ;)
22:25<Shinn>is there a safe way to shutdown your linux PC?
22:25<Shinn>nvm
22:26<Shinn>I have a question..I installed web server and mysql
22:26<Shinn>how can I access use them
22:26<Shinn>access them I mean
22:26<phillipsjk>Yes, "shudown -h now" as root. else, your may have to edit the sudoers file.
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22:27<Shinn>also what's the different between the OS selection screen there are two Debian selections
22:27<Shinn>one is Debian other Debian (Single user mode)
22:27<Shinn>what's the difference
22:28<phillipsjk>I believe one is single-user mode or some such thing.
22:28<Shinn>yes but what is there difference
22:28<Shinn>one is Debian one is Debian Single user
22:28<Shinn>O_o
22:29<Nemoder>single user mode is used for maintenance
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22:29<phillipsjk>In single user mode, no services run. You are usually dropped into a root shell as well.
22:29<Shinn>ok makes sense
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22:30<phillipsjk>You use it wehn you forget your root password ;)
22:30<Claudy>:O
22:30<Claudy>hmmrrr
22:30<Claudy>where can i read it? :s
22:31<phillipsjk>The man page?
22:31<Claudy>yus
22:31<Claudy>(forgive my eternal n00bness, its a disease that comes from being fed up with an os that tries to make inlogical things look logical even when it is'nt -_-
22:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 353] by debhelper
22:32<Claudy>)
22:32<phillipsjk>http://linux.die.net/man/4/savage
22:32<Shinn>how do I change resolution
22:33<Shinn>omg
22:33<Shinn>nvm found it
22:33<Shinn>I am sorry =(
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22:33<phillipsjk>Triy [crtl]-[alt]-[-/+]
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22:34<Shinn>I don't get it
22:34<Shinn>the resolution is so bad now
22:34<Shinn>everything is chunky
22:34<Shinn>640x480
22:34<Shinn>before it was way better
22:36<phillipsjk>Shinn: simply push that key combination again.
22:37<Shinn>I did that already
22:37<Shinn>what I did do though to fix it was reset the monitor itself
22:37<Shinn>now its ok
22:37<Shinn>no idea why though haha
22:37<Shinn>ok now I need to ask you guys more complicated stuff...well for me atleast
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22:38<Shinn>I am very new..so how do I open my terminal
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22:38<phillipsjk>The key combo cycles through the resolutions specified in xorg.conf
22:40<Shinn>how do I open my terminal
22:41<abrotman>!grounding
22:41<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
22:42<Shinn>oh ok thanks :)
22:42<phillipsjk>I X, you normally open a terminal program. Or you can press [ctr]-[alt]-[f1-?] for a console screen. [alt]-[f7] to get X back.
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22:44<nicolas>hello
22:44<nicolas>anybody here?
22:44<abrotman>no
22:45<nicolas>lol
22:45<nicolas>where are you from abrotman?
22:45<abrotman>earth
22:46<nicolas>oh, ok... I'm from the moon
22:46<phillipsjk>THe 1 second lag must get annoying :D
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22:48<Claudy>hmmm
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22:49<Shinn>root@host ~# su -
22:49<Shinn>password: (password of your root)
22:49<phillipsjk>Claudy you are really stuck there is always fbdev or vesa.
22:49<Shinn>when ever i add this it says bash root@host command not found
22:50<Shinn>any tips guys
22:51<Nemoder>if you are already logged in as root you don't need to use su
22:52<Shinn>this root@host need to be mine right?
22:52<Shinn>I can't type root@host all the time..how do I know what to change root@host with
22:52<Nemoder>what are you trying to do?
22:53<Shinn>im trying to get mysql
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22:53<Nemoder>just run aptitude
22:54<Shinn>huh?
22:54<Shinn>how
22:55<Nemoder>are you at a terminal or in X?
22:55<Shinn>root@host ~#apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1 libmysqlclient15-dev
22:55<Shinn>I was going to do that
22:55<Shinn>then for apache root@host ~#apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5
22:55<Shinn>I need mySQL admin
22:55<Shinn>=3
22:56<Nemoder>if you have a terminal open type in aptitude and press enter
22:57<Shinn>ok im there
22:57<Shinn>now?
22:57<Nemoder>then use the menu to search for mysql-server
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23:01<Shinn>ok let's say I found it
23:01<Shinn>how do I download it
23:01<phillipsjk>Claudy has someone told you about "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? (this wiil clobber manual changes to xorg.conf)
23:01<Claudy>yes :)
23:01<Claudy>it worked :D
23:01<Claudy>(i think)
23:01<Nemoder>Shinn: use the action menu to install it
23:02<Claudy><3
23:02<Claudy>omgs
23:02<Claudy>it did!
23:02<Claudy>*dances around and kisses flaptopscreen*
23:02<phillipsjk>You would then use the man page to help tweak driver settings.
23:02-!-spelling2 [~spelling2@mx.andromeda.e-ducativa.com] has joined #debian
23:03<Shinn>sir when I click Actions Install/remove package it says " No packages are scheduled to be installed, removed"
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23:03<Nemoder>Shinn: ah sorry, use the package menu to select it for install first, then use the action menu
23:03<phillipsjk>Is it installed already?
23:04<Shinn>in the packages menu when I press G
23:04<Shinn>I get the same error
23:04<spelling2>what do you call people who doesn't let you eat or encourage you eat good healthy mental food? and force you to eat shitty mental food such as video games and television..wrong education etc?
23:04<Nemoder>Shinn: you can use ctrl-T to access the top menus, or just click on them if you are in X
23:05<Nemoder>Shinn: I think + is the default key for tagging a package to be installed
23:05<spelling2>what do you call people who doesn't let you eat or encourage you eat good healthy mental food? and force you to eat shitty mental food such as video games and television..wrong education etc?
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23:06<phillipsjk>off-topic?
23:06<spelling2>no
23:06<spelling2>ontopic
23:06<spelling2>becasue it is related to os
23:07<spelling2>such as windows
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23:08<phillipsjk>Windows is usually off-topic here. (unless we are interoperating with it)
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23:08<Shinn>it keeps saying Please insert the disc labaled CD into the drive"
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23:09<phillipsjk>didi you try feeding it the disk? the message is in english after all.
23:09<Shinn>what disk?
23:09<Shinn>that's my question
23:09<Nemoder>your debian disc
23:09<Shinn>the one I used to install right?
23:09<Shinn>ok got it
23:10<phillipsjk>THe Install CD. I believe you can pull from mirrors if you don't have the disk.
23:10<Shinn>pulling off mirrors would be better
23:10<Shinn>how do I do that sir
23:12<phillipsjk>comment the cdrom out of your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
23:15<Shinn>the Notepad says "you do not have the permissions necessary to save"
23:16<Shinn>check that you typed the location correctly and try again
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23:16<Nemoder>you need to be logged in as root to make changes to system files
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23:16<Shinn>I comment like this "//" or like as "#"
23:16<Nemoder>#
23:16<Shinn>no wonder
23:17<phillipsjk>Is tere a cancel button to use in the meantime? (you must be root to change the file)
23:18<Nemoder>hm both dselect and synaptic have methods to alter the sources.list for you, I wonder why aptitude doesn't
23:19<Shinn>guys I have a problem
23:19<Shinn>why can not I login as root
23:19<Shinn>it keeps saying wrong info
23:19<Shinn>it's all right
23:19<Shinn>O_O
23:20<Nemoder>you are typing root as the username?
23:20<Shinn>am I suppose to be?
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23:20<Nemoder>root
23:20<Nemoder>and then whatever password you gave root on the install
23:20<Shinn>oh ok
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23:21<Shinn>it says the system admin is not allowed to login from this screen
23:21<Shinn>so im guessing I need to go in through Debian (single user)
23:22<Nemoder>I don't think single user will start X, it's just a terminal
23:22<phillipsjk>you can try su root aftre logging in as a normal user...
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23:23<Shinn>how do I login as rootin the user
23:23<Nemoder>type 'su root' in a terminal
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23:28<Shinn>nothing happens
23:28<Shinn>it goes to next line
23:28-!-vaio [~vaio@201-67-51-226.gnace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
23:28<Nemoder>type whoami
23:29<Shinn>root
23:29<Nemoder>ok then
23:29<vaio>join #debian
23:29<Nemoder>try nano /etc/apt/sources.list
23:30<Shinn>still says the same
23:30<simonrvn>you're already in #debian
23:30<simonrvn>vaio: ^^^
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23:30<vaio>I am having problems with wifi someone can help me
23:31<Nemoder>Shinn: nano says permission denied?
23:31<Shinn>nope
23:31<Shinn>opend it
23:31<Shinn>now I edited it
23:31<Shinn>how do I save here
23:31<Nemoder>ok, make your change and use ctrl-x to save and exit
23:31<Shinn>ok cool
23:32<gsimmons>vaio: You'll need to describe your problems first.
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23:32<vaio>Ipw3945 I see the networks available but not to connect
23:32<vaio>in wifi-radar
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23:33<vaio>Can not get IP with dhcp
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23:33<Nemoder>Shinn: you will need to run 'update package list' in aptitude after making changes to sources.list
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23:34<Shinn>it doesn't save it
23:34<Shinn>I mean it doesn't wxit after I type "Y"
23:34<Shinn>*exit
23:34<vaio>gsimmons, ?
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23:35<Nemoder>Shinn: you have to press enter to verify the filename in nano
23:36<Shinn>got it
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23:39<tj_>vaio... using ecnryption wep/wap?
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23:39<tj_>encryption*
23:40<Shinn>guys I have a question
23:40<tj_>take a look at etc/network/interfaces
23:40<Shinn>any idea how what the Server Hostname should be for sql?
23:41<tj_>dinner!
23:41<tj_>back in a few
23:44<Shinn>any idea how what the Server Hostname should be for sql?
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23:44<Shinn>is it your local IP?
23:45<mysupper>Shin what is sql?
23:45<Shinn>mysql admin
23:46<mysupper>127.0.0.1 is default
23:46<mysupper>or localhost
23:46<mysupper>well..
23:46<mysupper>you don't have to consider that..default package will handle that.
23:46<mysupper>brb
23:46<Shinn>I'm going to try 127 since localhost I already doesn't work
23:49<Shinn>I don't get it, it keeps saying could not connect to host 'localhost' mySQL Error Nr. 1045
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23:54<Shinn>in the home screen of aptitude when I click on Installed Packges
23:54<Shinn>it doesn't show anything
23:55<dondelelcaro>Shinn: because they're subdivided into sections
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23:56<dondelelcaro>Shinn: hit [ on Installed Packages
23:57<Shinn>got it guys
23:57<Shinn>thank you
23:57<Shinn>but I am confused
23:57<Shinn>because it works only if I don't enter ANY pass
23:57<Shinn>lol
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23:59<dondelelcaro>Shinn: that's probably because you haven't set a password for the mysql database
23:59<Shinn>am I able to download SVN's and compile in the terminal?
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