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---Logopened Mon Apr 21 00:00:41 2008
00:01<p_quarles>I'm setting up Etch on an *old* laptop for someone -- the only hitch has been the Linksys WPC11v3 wireless card, for which I haven't been able to find Debian instructions -- anyone have any experience with this card?
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00:04<Shinn>how do I run a .exe on Debian
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00:08<p_quarles>Shinn, an .exe is a Windows binary! some will run through Wine, but this should be avoided if there is any other solution
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00:09<Shinn>I download the No-IP linux version
00:09<Shinn>I can't get it to go
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00:11<p_quarles>Shinn, isn't that in the repositories? where did you d/l it from?
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00:11<Shinn>the main site
00:12<gsimmons>!tell p_quarles -about wpc11v3
00:13<p_quarles>Shinn, install it with aptitude
00:13<Shinn>oh you could do that?
00:13<Shinn>awsome ok thanks
00:13<p_quarles>gsimmons, perfect, thanks! :)
00:14<craigevil>Shinn: aptitude install noip2
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00:17<Shinn>how do I open it up
00:17<Shinn>i don't see it in the applications for some reason
00:18<mysupper>Shinn did you installed gnomne?
00:18<Shinn>what is that
00:19<mysupper>Shinn I told you yesteday , you need x window.
00:19<Shinn>how do I get this X window mysupper
00:19<Shinn>and wow I need to sleep
00:19<mysupper>Shinn are you in shell now?
00:20<Shinn>sorry mysupper but how would I know that I am?
00:20<mysupper>Shinn I mean you don't see any graphics?
00:20<Shinn>I do
00:20<Shinn>I see a GUI
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00:20<Shinn>is that known as a shell?
00:20<mysupper>Shinn then don't hurry...just enjoy traveling with gnome.
00:21<mysupper>Shinn start with some file managers and internet browsers.
00:21<Shinn>I need this Xserver right?
00:21<mysupper>Shinn yea..if you can see program and desktop bars..then you are there.
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00:22<mysupper>click some of them and see what's happening.
00:22<averna>I am having trouble understanding and using apt. I'm running Debian v?, Gnome 2.14.3. I seem to understand that it only installs programs from the Debian Server. If I download a game and the package is sitting in my downloads file, is there a way to ask apt to install it for me? for instance I've cd'd to my download file and tried: apt-get install gish.tar.gz
00:22<averna>When that didn't work I just unpacked the game in the download file. When I click on the exe icon the loading screen opens and then crashes right away.
00:23<tj_>averna... exe files are not for linux
00:23<mysupper>averna apt works through /etc/apt/source.list . check it out.
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00:23<Shinn>so how would we open installers and stuff?
00:23<Shinn>I need to know that
00:23<averna>ok, so I type /etc/apt/source.list into the terminal?
00:24<mysupper>Shinn first you should get aquaented with apt system.
00:24<mysupper>Shinn you need some docs about apt.
00:24<Shinn>yep I did
00:24<tj_>averna not sure... sounds like your trying to use windows apps in linux
00:24<Shinn>I download mysql admin apache no-ip with that
00:24<tj_>not going to work well for you
00:25<averna>when I chmod some files - some seem to be executable for linux...
00:25<mysupper>shinn you are not ready for apm stuffs.
00:25<mysupper>Shinn enjoy more..browse more google more..
00:25<averna>some say linux or mac
00:25<averna>er sorry windows or mac
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00:26<tj_>linux is neither averna
00:26<simonrvn>averna: just because they're +x doesn't they'll run
00:26<Shinn>ok I need to go now
00:26<Shinn>see you all tomorrow
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00:27<tj_>averna... I too had to learn what you will learn... let go of windows apps.
00:27<tj_>its hard
00:27<tj_>forget what an exe file is
00:27<phillipsjk>Wine is supposed to do a 1.0 release this summer.
00:28<markybob>phillipsjk yeah. i've been hearing that for 3 years :P
00:28<averna>I'm just beginning to make some progress using the terminal. I tried to look for stuff inside apt but there didn't seem to be much
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00:28<tj_>there is much more out there besides whats on the debian repositories
00:28<chealer>averna: no. APT is for installing software in the repositories.
00:28<averna>I keep coming up against these brick walls of ignorance.
00:29<tj_>averna... patience i am with you only a few steps ahead
00:29<averna>repositories means stuff already on the computer from Debian?
00:29<tj_>most of these folks in here are way beyond me
00:29<averna>thanks tj\
00:30<tj_>the repositories are debain tested and approved apps hosted for safe and secure distribution
00:30<tj_>not everything for linux is located there
00:30<averna>Am I getting ahead of myself if I manually download something and try to install it with the unpacker? It hasn't worked yet.
00:30<tj_>many 3rd parties make thier own software.. most are free and opensource some are not.
00:31<tj_>if your using software from 3rd party u usually have to complile it before use.. there is typically and "install" file with instructions for that instance
00:31<dondelelcaro>averna: almost anything that you'd want to install or run is probably already packaged, so you can just aptitude install foopkg;
00:31<tj_>there are alot of flavors of linux.. hence not all can be installed the same..
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00:32<averna>I'm noticing. It's frustrating. I'm trying to move beyond the synaptic pkg mgr
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00:33<tj_>i am surpprized you havent hit any hardware issues.. those are usually more painful than getting an app to run
00:33<tj_>what game do you want?
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00:34<averna>I tried to open daimonon and my screen resolution went nuts.
00:34<tj_>you said its windows/mac... do they offer a linux version?
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00:34<averna>er eternal lands, daimonon, gishdemo. Any of those look interesting.
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00:35<averna>I got them from the linux games list
00:35<averna>and only downloaded the linux version - can I ask apt to get them?
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00:36<tj_>while i do not have time tonight... i am learning in progress as well... give shoot me e-mail... pick a game... i'll try it myself, and let you know what i did step-by step... i learn best with hands-on... we can help eachother..
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00:36<averna>ok thanks tj
00:36<cricket[b]>tj_: thanks for your help earlier, i get it all solved now
00:36<tj_>cricket... do tell... what did you do?
00:37<cricket[b]>i just removed ndiswrapper and started from scratch and it worked
00:37<tj_>simple enough
00:38<tj_>well... its late.. the girl been at me all day about how i love my computer more than she.. LOL
00:38<tj_>[east coast]
00:39<tj_>averna...let me ask you this question..... "why arnt you running windows right now?"
00:41<tj_>my whole life... all i knew was windows... i tried linux a few times.. mandrake, redhat, others... and after a few weeks ended up turning back to windows like i was trying to quit smoking... but if you wanna quit bad enough you'll stick with it.
00:41<tj_>it took vista to change me
00:43<tj_>averna... when you choose. tell me as much as you can about your system. maker, model, specific known hardware, and what gui your using.
00:43<tj_>untill then... goodnight all.
00:43<averna>Why not windows? Too many damn viruses and pop ups and I can't afford to keep buying new versions.
00:43<averna>I like Linux politics and I sort of like the challenge.
00:44<tj_>amen to that...
00:44<averna>another thing I don't know how to do on Linux is look at my system to see hardware, drivers and such.
00:44<averna>can't find my paper documentation anywhere.
00:44<tj_>one tool is lpci enter that in terminal
00:45<tj_>gotta git... night cricket
00:45<tj_>night averna
00:46<markybob>averna enter lspci -n in that page and it'll tell you if debian supports it and which module
00:47<tj_>thats correct.... lspci oops
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00:47<averna>ok, sounds good
00:48<averna>ah, driver check. Cool
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00:54<averna>WOW. It's delightful when something works like it's supposed to. re: lspci
00:55<phillipsjk>If find the (lack of) documentation frustrating as well.
00:55<phillipsjk>ls pci only shows devices on the PCI bus ;)
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00:56<markybob>phillipsjk yes, but there are others like it. such as lsusb
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00:59<markybob>same thing but for usb devices instead of pci
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01:00<phillipsjk>A few years ago sombody was telling me you could maxe a debian package out of any linux installer. Would that be alien?
01:00<averna>I feel like I need to go research to see what things do.
01:00<averna>to me? most everything is alien still
01:00<markybob>phillipsjk alien converts from rpm and slackware packages
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01:01<phillipsjk>I find the hard part is finding out what to search for. Everything has a quirky name.
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01:02<phillipsjk>Markybob, what about the binary installer for adobe flash?
01:02<markybob>phillipsjk that's in debian. apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
01:03<averna>oh yes. I do a dogpile search and I'm like...huh? So I read some of the pages and occasionally I see discover something written in lay terms which actually applies to my question.
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01:06<phillipsjk>Dogpile still around? I dropped them when they re-did their search page a few years ago.
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01:09<averna>Yes, They streamlined. Thought about quitting but it's actually more efficient and still pretty thorough.
01:09<averna>phillipsjk, what do you use now?
01:11<phillipsjk>averna, no, you misunderstand. I dropped then when they unstreamlined. think yahoo with the search box at the bottem of the page.
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01:12<phillipsjk>I end up using google alt least half the time. I don't like how much power they weild though.
01:13<averna>Hmm, WHen I first started using dogpile, they had so many engines - seemed like 10 or more. Now they use about 4.
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01:13<averna>yes, I resist just google.
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01:24<less>oops, ww
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01:33<Twizzler>so how do i ask for help?
01:34<markybob>you ask
01:34<Twizzler>or. more appropriately, where
01:34<Twizzler>here is fine?
01:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
01:34<Twizzler>alright, sorry. most distro chats have a separate channel for help
01:34<Twizzler>i am trying to install debian to a very old laptop
01:35<Twizzler>compaq armada 1573dm
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01:35<Twizzler>i am doing a netinstall
01:35<Twizzler>but, being new to linux, i don't know how to do this
01:35<Twizzler>i thought i would understand the instuctions listed
01:35<Twizzler>but i dont
01:36<markybob>which part dont you understand?
01:36<markybob>or where do you get stuck? where does it fail?
01:36<Twizzler>which installer components i should load
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01:36<kclemens>Hi all
01:36<Twizzler>i figured out a few of 'em
01:37<Twizzler>but only like one or two
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01:37<markybob>Twizzler meaning "standard system" or "desktop" or what? which specific step?
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01:38<Twizzler>the installer is running in low memory mode. I am given a window that states [!] load installer components from CD
01:38*phillipsjk thinks twizzler may be using the 'advanced" opition
01:38<Twizzler>i don't think i was given an easy option =[
01:38<markybob>ah. that i dont know. i've never run low memory mode
01:38<phillipsjk>Twizzler, you probably don't need most of them.
01:39<Twizzler>yeah, but i don't konw which ones i DO need
01:39<Twizzler>how can i find this out
01:39<phillipsjk>IIRC, they are ALL opitonal (especially if they are not selected)
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01:40<Twizzler>so...i don't have to install anyhthing?
01:40*phillipsjk checks for backing documentation
01:41<markybob>you're still not being very specific. which steps are listed? which ones dont you know about?
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01:42<Twizzler>so I don't need any installer componenets from the CD?
01:42<averna>thanks, folks. Goodnight
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01:43*phillipsjk considers usig w3m instead of iceweasel
01:43<markybob>if you're not gonna be more specific, i cant help you.
01:43<Twizzler>i don't know how to be more specific
01:43<Twizzler>i am a new linux user
01:43<Twizzler>i tried ubantu
01:43<Twizzler>for some reason i dont like it
01:44<Twizzler>i figured "hell, its based offa debian. that's gotta be like taking off the training wheels"
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01:48<phillipsjk>I only did it once, but I believe the default modules are preselected for you.
01:48<Twizzler>oh, alright
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01:52<Twizzler>this is easier than i thought it would be
01:52*phillipsjk first chose debian because it was specificly not touted as "easy to use"
01:53*latitude thinks that "wasy to use" is not equal to "lazy to learn"
01:53<latitude>just my 2 cents )
01:54<phillipsjk>The problem with "easy" is you are lost when you want to do something 'wierd"
01:55<Twizzler>alright, i have a problem again
01:55*phillipsjk gets lost anyway
01:55<Twizzler>i get to the "partition disks" window
01:55<markybob>choose guided
01:55<Twizzler>im in low memory mode ={
01:55<Twizzler>32 mb ram
01:55<Twizzler>im seeing how good this laptop can be
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01:56<Twizzler>how much should i set up the swap for if ive only got 32 mb of ram?
01:56<phillipsjk>Is there no "guided" option? (though 32MB does sound tight)
01:57<Twizzler>and a 3.2 gb HDD
01:57<Twizzler>no guided option
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01:57<Twizzler>but ive installed windows enough times (and a few versions of linux) to know kidna almost sorta maybe but not really what im doin here
01:57<phillipsjk>I would say ~128MB
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01:58<phillipsjk>You also don't want gnome or kde
01:58<Twizzler>hehe of course
01:58<Twizzler>icewn or something
01:58<phillipsjk>256MB if you think you have space to spare.
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01:59<Twizzler>logical or primary
01:59<Twizzler>im creating my swap first
01:59<Twizzler>to get it out the way
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02:00<phillipsjk>You are limited to 4 primary partitons, one of which is used to house any logical partitions.
02:01<Twizzler>sooo logical?
02:01<phillipsjk>Other than that, doesn't matter too much.
02:01<latitude>I'd not bother with more that / and /home on a such an HDD
02:01<markybob>i'd keep it all in / with such a small hd
02:02<markybob>just one partition. nice and easy for a newbie
02:02<latitude>so you may forget about logicals
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02:02<phillipsjk> which case primary may be simpler.
02:02<markybob>yes. just one primary
02:02<Twizzler>one big partition
02:02<Twizzler>no /swap
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02:02<Twizzler>no /home
02:02<Twizzler>just /
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02:02<latitude>Twizzler: swap!!!
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02:03<phillipsjk>You need swap.
02:03<markybob>yeah, with that little ram, add swap :) i meant besides swap, sorry
02:03<phillipsjk>Swap is not on the directory tree.
02:03<latitude>i'd say he will need swap, but it will be too late :)
02:03<Twizzler>256 mb swap
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02:04<latitude>that's quite perfect
02:04<Twizzler>how can i figure out if its fat16 or fat32?
02:05<markybob>why the hell are you even mentioning fat?
02:05<Twizzler>cause its asking me
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02:05<markybob>dude. what are you doing?
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02:05<phillipsjk>You want ext3 or ext2
02:06<Twizzler>hi? you must be new to the convo. I am new to linux. IE i have no clue what im doin
02:06<latitude>they use too much for journal
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02:06<latitude>is reiser an option on such low memory&
02:06<equipo7>alguien habla en español o que?
02:06<equipo7>soy imañol
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02:07<Twizzler>do any of us speak spanish?
02:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
02:07<Twizzler>anywho, i put it as ext2
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02:08<Twizzler>im putting it as the "/" mount point
02:08<Twizzler>default mount options
02:08<phillipsjk>sounds good.
02:08<Twizzler>the "label" is just the name of the drive, correct?
02:09<Twizzler>and make it bootable
02:09<Twizzler>alright done
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02:10<Twizzler>wooo here goes nothing
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02:15<Twizzler>so its now like 2 am
02:15<Twizzler>and from about 8 pm till about midnight i tried puppy linux
02:15<Twizzler>which is terrible
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02:16<Twizzler>soooo i said "oh, why not try debian. It's pretty old. It should work"
02:16<Twizzler>and it hasn't hiccupd yet
02:16<Twizzler>which is a great sign
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02:20<phillipsjk>With that much swap it will thrash for 40 minutes before quitting :P
02:21<markybob>that's not a lot of swap. he's only got 32mb ram :P
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02:22<phillipsjk>I'm teasing. It's just if you runn out of memory, the disk will make failure 1000 times slower.
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02:23<Twizzler>i got the laptop for free
02:23<Twizzler>so if it messes up
02:23<Twizzler>i guess ill just not care
02:24<Twizzler>ill give it the obligatory salute before i throw it away though
02:24<phillipsjk>If The laptop may be a good candidate for damnsmalllinux. or even FreeDOS.
02:25<Twizzler>dsl didnt work
02:25<Twizzler>freedos i have never heard of
02:25<Twizzler>ill google it
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02:28<phillipsjk>Etch feels "rushed" to me. (But there were very good reasons for pushing the release). In particular, I don't think a lot of poeple volunteered to do testing on really old hardware ;)
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02:28<Twizzler>tell ya what
02:28<Twizzler>ill keep the laptop then
02:28<Twizzler>and ill test the new stuff on it
02:28<Twizzler>why the hell not
02:28<Twizzler>that is, if THIS works
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02:29*phillipsjk is cosidering getting rid of most of his old hardware.
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02:29<phillipsjk>Not that I have any "new hardware"
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02:30<Twizzler>newest i have runs tf2 at lowest possible settings pretty well
02:30<Twizzler>at's about it
02:30<Twizzler>anybody else play games?
02:31<Twizzler>(83% installed...i wanna go to sleeeepppp)
02:31<phillipsjk>I hope to trade a hardisk and computer refurbishing for an AMD K6 to replace my Pentium 166.
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02:33<phillipsjk>my BSD server is actaully a PII 350 (getting off topic.)
02:34<Twizzler>i am curious
02:34<Twizzler>what is BSD and linux differences
02:34<Twizzler>what are**
02:34<markybob>linux was made because bsd at the time wasnt free
02:34<markybob>it was supposed to be a free, open clone of bsd
02:35<markybob>of unix, i should say
02:35<Twizzler>do people still run straight unix?
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02:35<markybob>at my work, anyway
02:35<Twizzler>where do you work?
02:35<markybob>sun's solaris is unix
02:35<markybob>an isp
02:35<Twizzler>that explains it
02:36<Twizzler>windows/mac = fail at an isp
02:36<markybob>quite a few people still use freebsd, too
02:36<Twizzler>oh yeah, ive heard of that
02:36<phillipsjk>THe licencing is different. BSD says: do whatever you want with the code, give us credit. GNU says: Do whatever you want with the code as long as you users are allowed to do the same.
02:36<Twizzler>distrowatch has freebsd, openbsd, etc in the top 100
02:37<markybob>this takes me back :) first linux i used was debian slink
02:37<nevyn>phillipsjk: life's a little more complicated than that
02:37<nevyn>depends how you spin it.
02:37<phillipsjk>I find freebsd has a more unified, better documented system.
02:37<nevyn>that's quite possibly true.
02:38<markybob>they're generally quite a bit behind linux development, though
02:38<phillipsjk>nevyn: I know, GPL 3 is ~10 pages.
02:38<markybob>openbsd just this week got WPA support
02:38<markybob>for example
02:38<DaCapn>The FBSD manual is very good.
02:39<Twizzler>wpa support is a milestone
02:39<Twizzler>thats a tough nut to crack by ones self
02:39<markybob>i guess. we've had it for years :P
02:39<Twizzler>oh yeah
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02:40<Twizzler>so how far different is OS X from its Unix roots?
02:40<DaCapn>Just look at it.
02:40<Twizzler>compared to Linux and its unix roots
02:40<markybob>pretty far. osx uses the mach kernel...which is...well... strange :)
02:40*phillipsjk is still afriad of buying a wireless adapter
02:41<Twizzler>for what?
02:41<markybob>phillipsjk i just bought one today, actually. you should look at the rt2x00 project and buy a card that they list as supported
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02:42<phillipsjk>Markybob I hope to go wired instead, buy wrote down the name ;)
02:43<Twizzler>anyone use DD-WRT or Tomato on their wireless router
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02:43<DaCapn>I have a couple prism2 USB cards. I'm annoyed with the switch away from PCMCIA.
02:43<Twizzler>alright, back to installatino questions
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02:44<Twizzler>is it easier to configure desktop enviornemtn or laptop for my old ass laptop here?
02:44<Twizzler>im at "software selection"
02:44<Twizzler>i would think laptop
02:44<markybob>desktop environment will install gnome. you dont want that
02:44<markybob>not on 32mb of ram :P
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02:44<Twizzler>good point
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02:45<Twizzler>so i need a window system that is less demanding than gnome
02:45<markybob>xfce, maybe
02:45<Twizzler>well yeah, but i am given a list
02:45<Twizzler>desktop, web server, print server, dns server, mail server, sql database, laptop, standard system
02:45<Twizzler>standard system is already checked
02:45<markybob>uncheck all by laptop and stand
02:46<Twizzler>try it?
02:46<markybob>you only live once
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02:49<Twizzler>really wish i would have done this earlier
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02:49<Twizzler>ill be up half the night
02:50<Twizzler>uhh...see any good movies lately?
02:51<markybob>Twizzler are you hitting on me? i'm married
02:52<Twizzler>fine then, be all creepy
02:52<markybob>easy...just a joke. "bank job" was pretty decent
02:52<Twizzler>i just finished download that the other day
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02:52<markybob>if you like action typical-guy movie
02:54<Twizzler>i have one more question
02:54<Twizzler>do you liek mudkips?
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02:55<Hanyo>i have one
02:55<markybob>i have no idea what that even is
02:55<Twizzler>you don;t wanna know
02:55<Hanyo>i know
02:56<Hanyo>its from pokemon?
02:56<Twizzler>but more importantly, its an internet meme
02:57<Twizzler>and i was curious if anyone recognized it
02:57<Twizzler>and you dont
02:57<Twizzler>so i wont go on
02:58<Hanyo>im using my xbox to talk on here
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02:58<Twizzler>i cant for the life of me figure out how to switch HDD's
02:58<Twizzler>the documentation is so riddled with geekese
02:59<doctor>всем привет
02:59<Hanyo>you mod?
02:59<Twizzler>not russian
02:59<Twizzler>i do have xbmc yes
02:59<Twizzler>and i used to use it everyday
02:59<Hanyo>ok cool
02:59<Twizzler>until i got a laptop
03:00<Twizzler>and now it just sits there
03:00<Hanyo>i nEEd a pc soo bad
03:00<Twizzler>install linux on your xbox
03:00<Hanyo>i did
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03:00<Twizzler>so do you have a big HDD installed?
03:01<Twizzler>just the normal 8 gig?
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03:01<Twizzler>and you have both xbmc and linux on it?
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03:02<Twizzler>i actually managed to find an original copy of the mechassault to ues
03:02<Twizzler>as my upgrader
03:03<Twizzler>and my firmware was nowhere near the patched stage
03:03<Twizzler>it was great
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03:03<Twizzler>you know what
03:03<Twizzler>i have a weekend project now
03:03<Twizzler>ill hack together an xbox laptop or something
03:03<Twizzler>like ben heck
03:03<Twizzler>man that guy is nutso
03:03<Hanyo>lol ook
03:04<Twizzler>you know ben heck?
03:04<Twizzler>he modded a 360 elite, a ps3, and a wii all into laptops
03:04<Hanyo>thats cool
03:04<Twizzler>very very nice lookin
03:05<Hanyo>are all these guys modders?
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03:05<Twizzler>this is a debian help channel
03:06<Twizzler>debian linux
03:06<Twizzler>i needed help installing on an ancient laptop
03:06<Hanyo>o ok
03:06<Twizzler>ill be rockin a 3 gb hdd
03:06<Twizzler>32 mb ram
03:07<Twizzler>and it has a floppy drive
03:07<Hanyo>oh my god
03:07<DaCapn>I've got one like that, old toshiba armada.
03:07<Twizzler>compaq armada here
03:07<Hanyo>use xbox
03:07<Twizzler>compaq armada 1573dm
03:07<DaCapn>Oh, maybe it's compaq then, yes.
03:08<Twizzler>what brings you here hanyo?
03:08<Hanyo>i was bored
03:08<Twizzler>be bored no more
03:08<DaCapn>The model number is 7800. I forget what the specs are.
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03:09<Twizzler>@daCapn: prolly better than this one
03:09<Twizzler>i tried to run the puppy linux livecd
03:09<Twizzler>and i gave up after it would not run
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03:10<Hanyo>trying to find a good chat room and stumbled in here
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03:11<DaCapn>So is debian giving you problems?
03:11<Twizzler>me? it was
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03:11<Twizzler>its at 78% install right now
03:12<Twizzler>80 now
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03:13<Twizzler>and i realy want to get this done so i can sleep
03:13<Twizzler>i have school at 1030 am
03:13<Twizzler>and i was up all day yesterday
03:13<Twizzler>at a magic tourney in indy
03:14<Hanyo>you realy should just use the xbox man
03:15<Twizzler>i dont have a keyboard/mouse for it
03:15<Twizzler>otherwise i might
03:15<Hanyo>i have a mouse and keyboard hooked up to mine
03:15<Twizzler>i dont wanna mod one
03:16<Hanyo>its easy
03:16<Twizzler>not really
03:16<DaCapn>Just buy 2 extension cables for the controllers, cut them in half and splice them with USB extension cables.
03:17<Hanyo>i made my ports into usb ports
03:18<Twizzler>splice being the key work
03:18<Twizzler>i dunno how to do that
03:18<DaCapn>Do you have wire clippers and a soldering iron?
03:19<DaCapn>As long as you're not colorblind it should be pretty simple then.
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03:19<Hanyo>i didnt solder my wires
03:20<DaCapn>Use one of those little crimp deals?
03:21<Hanyo>i just put black electrical tape around each wire
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03:22<Hanyo>to avoid them from making contact
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03:22<DaCapn>So you just twisted the corresponding wires together and wrapped them in electrical tape.
03:23<DaCapn>How long has that been working?
03:23<Hanyo>for a while now
03:24<DaCapn>Weeks, months, years? All of which can be "a while"
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03:24<DaCapn>I'm impressed then, heh.
03:24<Hanyo>i came up with the idea myself
03:25<Twizzler>so ive got 3 more distros to try out before i have tried all the big names
03:25<Twizzler>opensuse, mandriva, and knoppix
03:25<Twizzler>used any of em?
03:25<DaCapn>Debian should not have a problem on this hardware,
03:26<Twizzler>not on tihs laptop
03:26<Twizzler>my OTHER laptop
03:26<Twizzler>the one i use on a daily basis
03:26<Twizzler>this one is just for shits an giggles
03:26<Twizzler>i got it for free
03:26<Twizzler>so i am using it
03:26<DaCapn>So, right now you're asking about something completely different without stating so?
03:27<Twizzler>sorry, i get distracted by shiny objects
03:27<Hanyo>oh my god so now what?
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03:27<DaCapn>What is the laptop that IS giving you problems?
03:28<Twizzler>nothing is giving problems
03:28<Twizzler>i just want to try other things
03:28<Twizzler>debian is installing on my ancient laptopy
03:28<Twizzler>ill get it and give it to my brother
03:29<Twizzler>cause all he does is surft the intarwebs
03:29<Twizzler>my main machine
03:29<Twizzler>what im on now
03:29<Twizzler>(also a laptop)
03:29<Twizzler>i just want to migrate away from windows
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03:29<Twizzler>something different
03:30<Twizzler>im intrigued by the whole mythos of linux
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03:30<Twizzler>i am a business major
03:30<Twizzler>when i start my business
03:30<Twizzler>i wont be able to pirate software
03:30<k-man_>anyone know of a program that can be used to track time spent on various tasks in an organisation?
03:30<Twizzler>for linux?
03:31<markybob>k-man uh, any one of a million. sugarcrm?
03:31<markybob>k-man anything more specific?
03:31<k-man_>err... something thats free and open source would be good
03:31<k-man_>web based
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03:31<Twizzler>web based?
03:31<markybob>sugarcrm is free, open source and web based
03:31<markybob>go, and enjoy
03:31<Twizzler>there you go
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03:32<k-man_>and tasks are not necesarily related to a client
03:32<markybob>yes. sugarcrm :P
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03:33<doctor>jon #debian
03:33<Twizzler>we are here
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03:34<Hanyo>whats up doc
03:34<markybob>doctor its /join
03:34<DaCapn>The odd thing is... he seems to have already done it successfully once.
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03:34<Twizzler>ats what i was thinkin
03:35<Twizzler>shouldn't take too long now
03:35<DaCapn>I'm happy to be getting these status reports.
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03:35<Hanyo>taking awhile
03:35<Twizzler>lol sorry
03:35-!-jm_ [] has joined #debian
03:36<Twizzler>im just at a bored state and a loss for words
03:36<markybob>Twizzler you should smoke some weed like the rest of us
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03:36<Twizzler>no thank you
03:36<Twizzler>i don't do drugs
03:36<markybob>i dont do sober :p
03:36<Hanyo>i need to find a goog chat room on irc
03:37<markybob>a goog chat? yeah?
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03:37<Hanyo>not to talk about drugs though
03:38<markybob>sorry, i dont know what goog is
03:38<Twizzler>even i understood
03:38<Twizzler>did you just take a big hit or something?
03:38<doctor>Greetings here Russian are)))
03:39<Twizzler>you sound like one of my old friends that moved to texas
03:39<markybob>Twizzler no. i just respond to what people day. generally it's better that way with an international channel :P i had no idea what he meant
03:39<Twizzler>no speaky russian comrade
03:40<markybob>#debian on is nice :P
03:40<dpkg>ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
03:40<Twizzler>im confused
03:40<Twizzler>what just happened?
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03:42<Twizzler>anywho, i want to learn linux so that when i make my own business, ill be able to run it for free
03:42<Twizzler>no shitty windows to worry about
03:42<Twizzler>and providing noone breaks it
03:42<Hanyo>so what is your business?
03:42<Twizzler>no clue
03:42<Twizzler>im only 19
03:43<Twizzler>not even out of college yet
03:43<Twizzler>when i make one
03:43<Twizzler>my business? my business is bitches
03:43<Twizzler>and busienss is good
03:43<Hanyo>oh im 18 not even out of hs yet
03:43<DaCapn>I know two people who have business degrees. One managed a truck stop in Arizona (since quit), another is an Athletic director for some school district.
03:44<Twizzler>well,i want to prolly do soemthing with my love of art too
03:44<Twizzler>maybe marketing or advertising
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03:44<Hanyo>heh ok
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03:45<DaCapn>I'd advise to minor in business and major in something else... If you really want something business-related.
03:45<Twizzler>why is that?
03:45<DaCapn>Because then you will know something about a discipline.
03:45<Hanyo>i Want to open up a garage
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03:46<Twizzler>wooo 100%
03:46-!-doctor [~doctor@] has quit []
03:46<Twizzler>instaling grub
03:47<DaCapn>I can't wait to hear when the system boots!
03:47<Twizzler>hot diggity shit
03:47<Twizzler>its booting
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03:48<DaCapn>It's all so exciting.
03:48<Hanyo>how would you hear if it boots?
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03:48<Twizzler>i'd tell him
03:48<Twizzler>like i haev been for the last few hours
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03:48<Twizzler>im pretty sure he's annoyed by it
03:48<Twizzler>but i cant really tell
03:49<Hanyo>i thought he meant hear the sound. lol
03:50<Twizzler>ok its to a command line
03:50<Hanyo>so whats the status?
03:50<Twizzler>how do i install a x window system
03:50<Twizzler>like xfce
03:50<Hanyo>oh crap
03:50<DaCapn>What kind of CPU does it have?
03:50<Twizzler>apt-get something right
03:50<DaCapn>!dpkg apt
03:51<DaCapn>!dpkg aptitude
03:51<Twizzler>233 mhz intel pentium w/mmx
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03:51<DaCapn>I'd read the docs for apt.
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03:51<Twizzler>event not found
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03:51<jm_>read apt howto
03:51<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
03:52<Twizzler>tell ya what
03:52<Twizzler>ill figure this out tomrrow
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03:52<Twizzler>i want to shutdown
03:52<Twizzler>and sleeep
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03:52<DaCapn>DO a good job, that's all we ask.
03:52<Twizzler>how do i shutdown with the command line
03:52<markybob>shutdown -h now
03:53<Twizzler>not working
03:53<markybob>are you root?
03:53<Twizzler>i dunno
03:53<Twizzler>i dont think so
03:53<DaCapn>I'll lay 3-to-5 that he is currently trying to login with the id: shutdown -h now
03:53<markybob>login with username root and whatever password you gave it during the install
03:54<markybob>then `shutdown -h now`
03:54<Twizzler>ive got just a command line
03:54<markybob>fucking hold your power-button down for 4 seconds :P
03:54<Twizzler>i was hoping it would not come to that
03:54<DaCapn>Twizzler where it says "login:" type root
03:55<DaCapn>Then when is says "password:" type the root password.
03:56<markybob>seriously? you didnt understand my login/password instructions but you got that?
03:56<Twizzler>how long will it take to instal a x window system
03:56<Twizzler>not at all?
03:56<markybob>Twizzler how fast is your connection?
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03:56<DaCapn>Twizzler you should do an experiment... if you have a stopwatch, we'd love to know how long it takes you.
03:56<markybob>Twizzler apt-get install x-window-system-core
03:57<DaCapn>You are the one who picked the nickname.
03:57<Twizzler>hold on
03:57<Twizzler>what the fuck
03:57<Twizzler>it restarted
03:57<Twizzler>and i didnt get a good look
03:57<Twizzler>didn't even get to a login screen
03:58<markybob>honestly, i'm the one on drugs. wtf is wrong with you?
03:58<Twizzler>well, it IS 4/20
03:58<Twizzler>im not surprised
03:58<markybob>go to sleep. we'll see you tomorrow :)
03:59<Twizzler>goodnight all
03:59<Twizzler>thank you for the help
03:59<Twizzler>ill be here tomorrow
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04:00<DaCapn>I don't think I've seen someone confused by a login screen before.
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04:47<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to install updated Matrox drivers on etch?
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04:51<hever>I've got a partition with a linux test server installed. Now I've booted into another partition with my Desktop System. Can I use qemu or other tools to boot into this test server on the other partition ?
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04:55<padski>hever, generally speaking, yes.
04:57<Martiini>As user I get "You are not privileged to mount the volume" when I click ntfs volume in nautilus. The same volume is mounted when I log in as root (disk icon on gnome desktop) and when I log in again as a user, the volume is available.
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04:58<Martiini>debian unstable 2.6.24
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04:58<jap>hi all
04:59<jap>can someone please help me
04:59<EmleyMoor>Martiini: That sounds quite normal to me
04:59<EmleyMoor>!tell jap about ask
04:59<Martiini>EmleyMoor, I would like the volume to be mounted when I log in as user
04:59<padski>Martiini, what are the permisions on the device ?
04:59<hever>Martiini, perhaps you must add the user to plugdev ?
04:59<jap>thx i'm new
05:00<EmleyMoor>Martini: Do you want it permanently mounted whether you are logged in or not?
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05:00<jap>i've bought a new monitor and i want to change my gnome settings
05:00<jap>i've looked in pref but can't find where to change my monitor
05:00<hever>padski, And what tool can I use? Qemu seems only to be able booting "images"...
05:00<Martiini>I think so .. would I need to edit fstab ... the volume is mounted as root and entries are in mtab
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05:01<KaiSVK>hi all
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05:01<Martiini>EmleyMoor, I do want it permanently mounted, yes, but .. would I need to edit fstab ... the volume is mounted as root and entries are in mta
05:01<padski>Martiini, I am not familiar with plugdev, but that may also be an answer.
05:01<jap>!tell monitor
05:02<Martiini>k then
05:02<EmleyMoor>jap: That is actually at a lower level than gnome - it's the X server itself
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05:02<franco>ciao a tutti..
05:02<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
05:02<jap>so how can i redefine the x server
05:03<jap>!tell jap x server
05:03<EmleyMoor>jap: I haven't had to do it for ages so I have forgotten
05:04<jap>thx for trying to help me
05:04<EmleyMoor>From a root terminal, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
05:04<EmleyMoor>(someone can probably correct me if I'm wrong
05:04<jap>i'm running amd64 version so xfreeam64 then?
05:05<jm_>!drxx jap
05:05<dpkg>jap: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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05:05<EmleyMoor>Ah, xorg!
05:05<EmleyMoor>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is what you need
05:05<jap>thank you i ll try it right away
05:05<padski>hever, dunno, but I'm fairly certain there willl be a way. this looks interesting:
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05:08<hever>padski, yes thanks
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05:08<Martiini>It may be an intriguing question, but .. When is Debian going to work as well as Ubuntu?
05:09<EmleyMoor>Martiini: I think it already works better than Ubunti
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05:09<jap>i tryied dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it s for everything except the monitor
05:09<padski>Martiini, in my experience so far ubuntu has yet to work as well as Debian.
05:09<EmleyMoor>However, if you think different and are serious about Debian, explain your problems
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05:10<EmleyMoor>planet: Please stop screaming
05:10<Martiini>Then why would majority of linux users need Mark Shuttleworth, Canonical and Ubuntu .. if Debian already works as well as Ubuntu?
05:10<EmleyMoor>jap: You very often don't need to do anything about the monitor#
05:10<Martiini>Debian breaks ,, ubuntu doesnt .. things work automagically in ubuntu, debian doeasnt etc etc
05:11<EmleyMoor>Martiini: I challenge your assertion that the majority of users need that
05:11<EmleyMoor>A lot more things work automagically in Debian than used to - even I, the DIY lover, have been impressed
05:11<noflash>don't feed it
05:11<Martiini>then why has Ubuntu been at nr1 on
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05:12<jap>well here i can only do 640 .. on a 22 inch samsung monitor
05:12<Martiini>then why has Ubuntu been at nr1 on since it was started
05:12<jap>so i must have done something wrong
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05:12<hever>Ubuntu and some other Distributions have better howtos...
05:12<EmleyMoor>jap: Not sure where you go from there
05:13<jap>i m at xorg
05:13<jap>he s looking for it
05:13<jap>but can 't autodetect it
05:13<Martiini>Someone needs to remake debian forums as well .. just compare debian forums to
05:13<hever>(native Documentation)
05:13<jap>well martiini
05:13<jap>i come from ubuntu
05:14<jap>and have to say in here peeps help you very fast
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05:14<jap>and are very polite
05:14<Gekz>my sister just powered off while apt-get was unpacking libc...
05:14<Gekz>she is one of the dumbest people I know
05:15<Gekz>talk about break a system <_<
05:15<Martiini>To me it seems that not enough improvements made by Ubuntu team go back into Debian ..
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05:16<Martiini>Debian should also have its launchpad section ( - Ubuntu bugtracking system initiated by Shuttleworth
05:16<noflash>Martiini, ubuntu is off topic in here
05:16<jap>i think ubuntu uses debian stuff and not in the other direction
05:16<padski>Martiini, besides which, show us the code.
05:16<Martiini>oho :O has Ubuntu become a competing distro now?
05:16<EmleyMoor>Martiini: It always was.
05:16<jap>an i also think debian has other prioritys then ubuntu
05:16<Martiini>I thought it was same as debian ,, just improved
05:16<EmleyMoor>!tell Martiini about bod
05:17<jap>sry for my bad english
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05:18<jap>thx for the help gonna reboot
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05:18<k-man>anyone know a program that can tag mp3s using freedb?
05:19<EmleyMoor>k-man: As you rip a CD?
05:19<k-man>EmleyMoor, well, i have the mp3s
05:19<k-man>not the cd
05:20<EmleyMoor>k-man: In that case I don't know
05:20<k-man>ok, never mind
05:20<EmleyMoor>freedb is based on CDs
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05:22<k-man>EmleyMoor, actually, its based on cd keys, which are calculated from the lengths of the tracks
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05:22<EmleyMoor>k-man: Yes - but without the CD key, it wouldn't know where to start
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05:23<triplc>hi all
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05:25<k-man>EmleyMoor, crap
05:25<k-man>EmleyMoor, don;t talk about things you don't understand
05:27<triplc>how to install boot loader correctly? i use debootstrap to install image to a LV (says, /dev/mapper/vol1-root). Because i just install on that Volumn, so there is no MBR at all. Then I run "grub-install /dev/mapper/vol1-root" but it does not work, saying "/dev/mapper/vol1-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive"
05:27<triplc>I also tried "chroot" and then "grub-install..." but it does not work
05:28<triplc>I search Google but cannot find solution. I think grub in Google are basically for MBR (Master Boot Record) install
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05:29<jm_>don't think grub works well - use a special /boot
05:29<jm_>or maybe lilo if it works
05:29<triplc>good old day lilo?
05:29<jm_>grub would work too using just stage1/stage2
05:30<McAden>I haven't had any probs with grub, but I don't know enough about it to answer your question, sorry
05:30<jm_>well at least in theory
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05:31<triplc>ok, let me try lilo the
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05:33<mysupper>triplc use rescue system.
05:33<McAden>I'm having an issue myself though...trying to install GIMP 2.4.5 - after working in the dependencies, it asked me for glib 2.14 or higher (I had 2.12) so I install the latest (2.16) and it complains that even though it says I've got 2.16, it also shows 2.12 - the file it says to fix the prob doesn't exist (/etc/
05:34<mysupper>triplc boo to rescue login and hit grub and check root and setup to hdd. and reboot.
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05:34<triplc>mysupper: that's my problem
05:35<jm_>McAden: how are you doing this?
05:35<triplc>I want to settup an unmodified Xen guest (Debian) on a host (another distro)... and the problem is the installation CD does not install correctly!!!!
05:36<triplc>that's why I have to install Debian in a round way using debootstrap
05:36<McAden>downloaded the tarball, configure, make, make install... would've done apt-get, but it didn't have anything above 2.12
05:36<triplc>so... i do not think rescure will work
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05:37<jm_>don't do that on Debian system
05:37<triplc>jm_: ?
05:37<jm_>triplc: not for you
05:37<McAden>ok, do what instead?
05:37<jm_>triplc: d-i supports LVM installations, why do you need to use debootstrap?
05:38<triplc>jm_: i do not know that
05:38<triplc>anyway, i am trying "lilo" now... but after apt-get install lilo, i cannot find "/etc/lilo.." file
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05:39<jm_>triplc: then you haven't read install manual
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05:40<padski>McAden, 2.4.5 is in lenny.
05:40<triplc>i have to run liloconfig
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05:41<Wesley>Is there any simple way to copy the users from one system to another? (copy /etc/passwd?)
05:42<McAden>so I should switch from etch to lenny?
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05:43<EmleyMoor>McAden: Hold on
05:43<EmleyMoor>Do you particularly need that version off gimp?
05:43<triplc>Wesley: some lines in /etc/shadow too
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05:43<jm_>and depending on your configuration, you may need groups as well
05:43<padski>Wesley, shadow ? /etc/group ? /home ?? and perhaps per-user configuration of services, eg: ftpusers
05:44<McAden>not particularly I guess, just keep getting crashes with the old version
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05:44<padski>!real problem
05:44<dpkg>Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem>
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05:49<McAden>keyword: particularly - I'd prefer to work with a higher version than what came with my Etch install (2.2) and since I'm using 2.4.5 on my windows installation I'd prefer to use the same version on my debian installation
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05:50<padski>McAden, it is probably not an easy backport, as you already found out.
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05:52<padski>!simple sid backport
05:52<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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05:52<padski>McAden, or you could consider running Lenny as a desktop.
05:52<McAden>sorry, I'm a bit of a n00b here, only been using debian a few I shouldn't install things I can't get from apt-get?
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05:53<padski>McAden, you can, but there are better options. you would be better installing them to /usr/local or /opt if you do.
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05:53<madmax_>please a small but annoying desease: I use GDM. every time sid boot up in greeter the language sets to english instead of last chosen.why??
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05:54<McAden>k, how do I change from Etch to Lenny? apt-get -u dist-upgrade?
05:54<EmleyMoor>McAden: The problem can be dependencies - if they are not available, you need to install those locally too
05:54<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.
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06:00<padski>McAden, do you have idea what is causing the gimp in etch to crash ?
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06:02<McAden>the program itself isn't crashing's the extra modules, many will only work halfway...I hit a button to choose a file or an effect to add or randomize an effect, and it'll close the dialog
06:02<padski>McAden, anything repeatable I can try this end ?
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06:03<McAden>try to do a fractal flame and try to edit the style...randomize the effect a few times
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06:04<McAden>now that's odd...everything's working fine now
06:06<McAden>strange, no problems now
06:06<padski>McAden, where is fractal flame :-)
06:07<McAden>filter -> render -> nature -> flame
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06:08<padski>McAden, thanks. I will take a look later, I have to go now. good luck with whichever way you choose.
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06:10<grummund>i tried patching a project with 'patch -p1 < mypatch.diff' and it failed, but then 'patch -p1 -i mypatch.diff' worked fine. I thought it should be the same thing... anyone know what's the difference?
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06:46<hever>"losetup -d /dev/loopX" gives me "ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy" this device isn't used... and there is no force option ?!
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06:49<jm_>why are you using losetup?
06:52<hever>ok it was used I shut down the raid wrong
06:53<jm_>they use it with a file not with a device there
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07:00<hever>jm_, They use a mbr file and a partition. But how can I access Harddisk 0 in qemu? It can't find it at bootup /dev/hda1 not found.
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07:00<jm_>hever: the entire disk or what?
07:01<hever>no, the first partition...
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07:01<jm_>hever: they way it's described there
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07:02<hever>" Using any real partition as the single primary partition of a hard disk image" What must I set up in etc fstab for the single primary partition ?
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07:03<hever>I'm at initramfs now can I find it out there ?
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07:05<jm_>cat /proc/partitions
07:05<jm_>if disk driver is loaded
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07:07<kapil>hever: if udev is loaded then 'ls /dev/disk/by-path'
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07:09<hever>(The Problem is I get "cryptsetup: Source device /dev/hda1 not found" and don't know what it could be instead of /dev/hda1) I'm waiting for initramfs or can I show it faster ?
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07:12<hever>jm_, I get "major minor blocks name"\n"3 0 1008 hda"
07:14<hever>Means I must enter /dev/hda3 into /etc/fstab ?
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07:14<jm_>hever: no, it means you have no partitions on it, be very very careful with this
07:15<hever>means the mbr is wrong ?
07:16<jm_>try file -s /dev/hda
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07:20<hever>I must umount hda8 but it tells me its busy how can I find out why ?
07:20<SlayerXP>hever: lsof
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07:22<hever>lsof | grep hda8 gives me nothing
07:24<minimalisti>hever: lsof /dev/hda8
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07:24<kapil>hever: if you gave /dev/hda1 as your disk image, then qemu would treat that as /dev/hda *within* the emulation.
07:25<hever>minimalisti, oh ok. but gives me also nothing...
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07:26<kapil>now /dev/hda1 has no partition table on it so when the emulation looks for /dev/hda1 it finds no such partition
07:26<hever>kapil, I used this howto to put a mbr in front of it. It works nearly but I'm not sure what device I must use inside qemu...
07:27<hever>for root
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07:27<hever>I must unmount hda8 to test it ;)
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07:30<hever>ok... I chrooted to hda8 there I mounted another partition. Then I exited and could not unmount hda8. I must chroot into it and unmount the other partiton then I could unmount hda8. No chroot process or lsof was listed...
07:30<jm_>yes of course
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07:31<kapil>hever: from a quick reading of that howto, the single primary partition inside the emulator is /dev/hda1 as you have been using.
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07:34<hever>kapil, Yes it is. The problem was I changed it in the chroot to /dev/hda1 but forgot to unmount and mount it to md0 so it could not start. now it nearly works. I must rebuild the initramfs because some drivers are not loaded.
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07:37<freida>hi guys
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07:54<Desiac>built etch off cd install, rebuilding kernel. is there anyway for me to extract the exisitng .config, to use as base and prune the stuff i dont want & adding the stuff i need?
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07:55<amphi>Desiac: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
07:55<OdyX>Desiac: /proc/config.gz (of running kernel)
07:55<amphi>is that enabled on debian kernels?
07:56<amphi>it would seem unnecessary, as kernel packages conveniently put the config in /boot
07:57<Desiac>thnx all :) saved me lots of time & heart ache, mucho gracias
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07:57<Desiac>legends ;)
07:59<jm_>amphi: it isn't
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08:05<vivi>hello jg
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08:06<vivi>hi jg
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08:23<HaMMiE>go to lunch :)
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09:09<mepis32>how can I use apt-get to determine what the unresolved dependencies for a broken package?
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09:12<jm_>apt-get install tells you
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09:15<mepis32>I feel the output is not detailed enough .... a "base" package or lib missing but apt-get is not showing, is this possibe?
09:17<McAden_AFK>which package are you trying to install?
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09:18<jm_>paste its output on some paste site
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09:19<McAden> works nicely
09:20<mepis32>ok I changed repositories and the problem is resolved ... thanks for advice
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09:24<lloeki>why would a debian box switch to runlevel 6 by itself?
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09:25<jm_>because someone pressed ctrl-alt-del?
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09:25<lloeki>/var/log/messages: Apr 21 15:03:01 slug shutdown[9509]: shutting down for system reboot
09:25<jm_>well there you go - someone rebooted it
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09:28<lloeki>well, it' a little home server where no one has physical access, and I'm the only one able to log in
09:28<lloeki>and I didn't
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09:28<OdyX>check your little sister :)
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09:30<lloeki>daemon.log: Apr 21 15:03:01 slug init: Switching to runlevel: 6
09:30<lloeki>there's just my wife at home and I asked her, she's not even near it.
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09:32<lloeki>it was even her who warned me of it. she heard the three beeps I put in rc.local (so I don't waste my time trying to ssh it while it's not up yet)
09:32<lloeki>logged in remotely from work to check
09:32<lloeki>there's black magic around the place
09:32<OdyX>hum... check rootkits...
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09:33<McAden>or skin your cat? :P
09:33<OdyX>do you have a UPS ?
09:33<OdyX>mine can lead to shutdown...
09:34<lloeki>it's a NSLU2
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09:34<lloeki>I fear it might be a power surge on the usb port
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09:35<lloeki>no more chkrootkit onlenny?
09:35<lloeki>will use rkhunter
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09:37<lloeki>given the slug power design, something on usb could have triggered a power button press
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09:42<ZathraZ>hi. I just updated my Debian Etch machine. For some reason it wanted to upgrade udev. Fine be me. But..... Now Udev complains about needing a kernel > 2.6.15 while I run a heavily patched 2.6.8 (and want to remain doing so for this reason)
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09:42<ZathraZ>so now my madwifi connection is fubar
09:42<ZathraZ>any thoughts on how to tackle this please?
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09:43<mysupper>hmm...phpmyadmin package embarassess me..
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09:46<McAden>in a standard debian install where it downloads the kernel are there any patches done to the kernel? asking because ntfs-3g is griping that my kernel isn't high enough
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09:47<McAden>was going to upgrade, but I've never done it before so I want to make sure I do it right
09:48<mysupper>McAden becareful about ntfs3g, I heard several complainings concerned with that package.
09:49<OdyX>ZathraZ: downgrade udev (with eventual help from
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09:49<McAden>k, I heard nothing but good things...I'll have to research more (I've only been using linux for 3-4 days, and the drive I'm accessing is a fresh win install so there's not much danger other than a simple re-install if necessary
09:49<ZathraZ>OdyX, sounds kincky
09:50<mysupper>McAden then,,,go ahead.
09:50<OdyX>kinky ?
09:50<ZathraZ>yes. Udev is strongly integrated into the entire system
09:51<ZathraZ>if I screw I will have a serious problem
09:51<OdyX>If the downgrade works... :)
09:51<ZathraZ>*screw up
09:51<OdyX>ZathraZ: the thing is that Lenny is built as a whole ... so you "should" be using the proposed kernel :)
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09:51<ZathraZ>yet, then I will have a system in mumbo jumbo state which is not easily upgradeable with sec.patches
09:52<ZathraZ>I run etch....
09:52<OdyX>hum... etch --- reight
09:52<ZathraZ>therefor I am puzzled that udev screws up my system
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09:53<OdyX>you should complain in #debian-release (or -devel) (or -kernel)
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09:58<McAden>k, so, back to original a standard debian install, are there any patches done to the kernel or is it just like a plain kernel I'd download from
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09:59<McAden>scratch the "like", is it a plain kernel that is downloaded?
09:59<amphi>McAden: it has patches, I believe, but I have no problems running vanilla kernels on debian
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10:01<kah>McAden: you can install the linux-patch-debian-2.6.xxxx package
10:02<kah>in order to have a patched debian tree
10:03<kah>(you need the linux-source package also)
10:03<McAden>in apt-get?
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10:03<McAden>ah, didn't think kernel stuff would be part of apt-get...that makes it easy, thanks
10:04<kah>McAden: take a look to the "kernel-package" package also
10:05<kah>it let you make a custom packaged kernel in a really easy way
10:05<kah>uhm, sorry for my english ._.
10:06<McAden>I teach English in China...I'm used to poor English :)
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10:06<McAden>you're doing fine
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10:07<McAden>I understood you, that's what's most important
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10:09<McAden>2.6.22 is highest in Lenny?
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10:09<lloeki>gah. PermitRootLogin yes. hopefully I have fail2ban.
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10:09<lloeki>McAden, isn't it .24?
10:10<kah>lloeki: gh
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10:11<McAden>I did an "apt-cache search linux" and it found "linux-patch-debian-2.6.22" and "linux-source-2.6.22"
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10:12<McAden>oh, it's got it
10:13<McAden>it just flooded the terminal with too many listings...I changed it to search for "linux-source" and it found 2.6.24
10:13<lloeki>ah, you found it.
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10:14<McAden>yeah, I just had to narrow the search results
10:14<lloeki>according to rkhunter, no rootkits
10:14<lloeki>then wtf could it be...
10:14<kah>uhm, maybe the patches package is available only on sid
10:14<kah>lloeki: what's the problem?
10:15<lloeki>my debian headless server rebooted itself
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10:15<kah>lloeki: uh
10:15<kah>thermal protection?
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10:16<lloeki>that's a nslu2, and he switched to runlevel 6 all by itself
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10:18<qweo>Could somebody prompt, what's happened with libdvdcss2 in lenny (or may be in debian-powerpc)?
10:18<kutio>I have a compilation error when I try to compile nvidia driver with module assistant on my 2.6.25 :
10:19<kutio>( hello world )
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10:22<lloeki>kutio, which nvidia driver version?
10:23<lloeki>if it's pre 173.08 there's a patch floating around on forums
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11:06<scimmiapazza>hi =)
11:06<scimmiapazza>is there an easy way to install ati propieraty driver? like a program or somethink like that?
11:06<themill>!fglrx one-liner
11:06<dpkg>i heard fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
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11:08<scimmiapazza>my poblem is that when I compile the by myself..when i use them..all carachters become's like don't know..
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11:08<dpkg>dpi is probably your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.
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11:09<themill>scimmiapazza: ^^ you could try setting the displaysize or making sure that your x server isn't started with 72 dpi on the command line.
11:10<scimmiapazza>in xserverrc i have :"exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp" -dpi mean that's disabled or should i remove it?
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11:12<themill>scimmiapazza: is 100dpi right for your monitor? If it's about right then leave it.
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11:13<scimmiapazza> i'm not using fglrx so it's ok..
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11:13<scimmiapazza>so..when i install fglrx and have that problem..i have to check that that's number is 100?
11:14<lente>how can i run/display a singel application on Xorg?
11:14<themill>scimmiapazza: that's a bit odd. Compare the output of xdpyinfo when it's working and when it's not.
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11:15<scimmiapazza>umh..tnx..i will check that =)
11:15<scimmiapazza>thank you..
11:15<scimmiapazza>have a nice day..
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11:19<lente>how can i run/display a singel application on Xorg?
11:19<OdyX>How can I prevent Octave to use Helvetica ?
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11:22<hingwah>is it possible for debian to ship vmlinux for kernel image to be used by oprofile? i search the web and it seem it is mentioned in debian-devel b4 but no further response
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11:24<KaiSVK>lente, I don't know if I understand you ... but I run single app with ssh -X :)
11:24<themill>OdyX: does title ('My plot', 'FontName', "/path/to/font/foobar.ttf"); work?
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11:26<OdyX>themill: it works for display.. but not for printing
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11:27<themill>OdyX: Ahh... I don't do octave much (I use pyx for all my plotting)
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11:27<OdyX>thank you anyway
11:28<themill>OdyX: asking in an octave-specific forum might help. Also have a google around for things: "octave change font png" might be instructive
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11:29<OdyX>themill: I did... :(
11:29<OdyX>themill: The bug has been resolved but only on non-released versions..
11:30<themill>oh... it's just that you asked about "helvetica" especially here which made me think you might have googled for that too.
11:30<Gekz>oi, this dpkg spam is wrong!
11:30<dpkg>methinks esperanto is a common language, spoken by people all over the place... and it's the only spoken language that one guy sat down and made up. or "fortune -m 'USEFUL PHRASES IN ESPERANTO'"
11:30<Gekz>its not the only language that one random guy made up
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11:42<scimmiapazza>i installed fglrx..and fonts size became crazy XD
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11:44<scimmiapazza>no ideas? :S
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11:45<Zelta>I have a question about an education oriented Debian distro
11:45<phillipsjk>!fglrx one-liner
11:45<dpkg>i heard fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
11:46<scimmiapazza>i used that..but now every font is big..
11:46<phillipsjk>In particular, ya want to look at the font resolution. Higer numbers make smaller fonts.
11:46<cahoot>Zelta: ?
11:46<phillipsjk>er higer numbers make bigger fonts
11:47<scimmiapazza>phillipsjk: where can i find this font resolution?
11:47<Zelta>cahoot: Yeah, that. But is it not a LiveCD? (the PPC version)
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11:48<cahoot>Zelta: I don't really know - their page would tell I guess
11:49<Zelta>Does netinst stand for net install?
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11:52<mysupper>anybody suggest me good open source groupware please.
11:52<Zelta>So to install DebianEdu as a liveCD, I need to download the DVD iso?
11:52<phillipsjk>scimmiapazza, You may have also reduced the screen resolution
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11:56<amphi>Zelta: no idea, I'm afraid
11:56<chealer>Zelta: ask #skolelinux
11:57<Zelta>I don't think anyone's alive in that channel lol
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11:57<amphi>Zelta: their site should mention any livecd
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12:04<scimmiapazza>i'm really going crazy =.=
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12:05<scimmiapazza>where is that ** font resolution? XD
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12:06<cahoot>scimmiapazza: using gnome?
12:06<scimmiapazza>no kde..
12:06<cahoot>scimmiapazza: using kde's font tool doesn't help?
12:07<blueice>I am running Lenny and no matter how much i training I do the Bogo filter in Evolution doesn't filter spam. Any idea what I can check?
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12:07<scimmiapazza>from there I can just change font size..
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12:08<dpkg>ddc is probably the Display Data Channel. it provides a way for programs to ask DDC-compliant ("Plug and Play") monitors for information about themselves.
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12:10<shivraj>is there any nifty app to mount usb devices in linux, trying to do an install for a friend who doesnt know much
12:10<shivraj>a digital camera
12:10<Zelta>the app is called linux
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12:11<themill>shivraj: digikam handles that well
12:11<cogwheel>shivraj, er.. $(mount)?
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12:12<themill>scimmiapazza: Kcontrolcentre has a "DPI" setting in Appearance->Fonts->Force fonts dpi that you probably want "disabled" if you are setting this through your xserver.
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12:13<Shinn>hey guys
12:13<tj_>shinn did you get some sleep?
12:13<scimmiapazza>umh..a bit I set dpi in kcontrol?
12:14<Shinn>how do I install devel-mysql using aptitude
12:14<Shinn>and yea I did
12:14<Shinn>it keeps saying couldn't find any pakcage
12:14<themill>scimmiapazza: no, leave that disabled. The more places you have it set the more confusing it will be.
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12:15<themill>@wb simonrvn
12:15<ravenbird>Welcome back simonrvn, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheer.
12:15<simonrvn>hi themill
12:15<Shinn>anyone have any idea
12:15<scimmiapazza>themill: and so..what should I do?? XD
12:15<shivraj>Shinn : apt-cache search mysql
12:15<shivraj>Shinn : to find the right package name
12:16<themill>!info libmysqlclient15-dev etch
12:16<dpkg>libmysqlclient15-dev: (mysql database development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.0.32-7etch5 (etch), Packaged size: 6808 kB, Installed size: 19276 kB
12:16<chealer>Shinn: what do you mean by devel-mysql?
12:16<themill>shivraj: ^^ you will have specific files that you need though, use apt-file to find the packages that have them. /msg dpkg apt-file
12:18<tj_>i think shinn is working on server not client.... not sure
12:18*shivraj thinks there needs to be a linux geek squad to help the world from MS WINDOWS
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12:18<themill>tj_: anything's possible! but apt-file is still the right answer :)
12:18<Shinn>I need to get mysql
12:18<mysupper><-- born gui maniac. :)
12:19<mysupper>hello guys
12:19<Shinn>cause when I tried to compile something it says " make *** [needs_mysql] Error 1 "
12:19<scimmiapazza>should I change dpi in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc?
12:19<tj_>or he could use his GUI and synaptic to make looking a little easier
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12:20<mysupper>Shinn today you need to learn apt.
12:20<Shinn>yea...I just need this mysql
12:20<Zelta>Synaptic = easier? lol
12:21<tj_>well.. i cant compete with mysupper.
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12:21<mysupper>Shinn nope..apt is first.
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12:21<mysupper>Shinn I dare say apt is debian.
12:21<Shinn>aptitude install
12:21<Shinn>all I need to know?
12:21<scimmiapazza>no ideas?
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12:22<mysupper>Shinn the first thing is edit /etc/apt/source.list. then move on to other apt managing programs.
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12:22<Shinn>I did that
12:22<Shinn>I removed the CD
12:23<phillipsjk>scimmiapazza, THat might work. (Did you check the screen resolution?)
12:23<Shinn>now it's reading from mirrors
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12:23<shivraj>what do you think is better for a newbie gnome or kde ?
12:23<shivraj>kde has a lot of features
12:23<mysupper>Shinn great , then do 'apt-get install wajig'.
12:23<tj_><---- newbie likes KDE... each for thier own though
12:23<themill>shivraj: I'd recommend kde for both new and experienced users
12:23<Zelta>shivraj: depends on what they prefer. neither is better or worse
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12:24<scimmiapazza>phillipsjk: i used the xorg.conf that i had before..just changed driver section..
12:24<scimmiapazza>and everythink is big =.=
12:24<shivraj>kde has a lot of built in features that I think newbies will appreciate
12:24<Zelta>It's like comparing apt and aptitude, kind of silly
12:24<Zelta>use whatever you like
12:24<mysupper>wajig is the best for newbies.
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12:24<shivraj>I am gonna install it on my other computer
12:24<kop>mysupper : apititude is preferred to apt-get in etch.
12:24<mysupper>kop , I don't agree with that.
12:24<mysupper>kop, newbies need wajig.
12:25<Zelta>'Newbies' probably use Synaptic anyway
12:25<kop>mysupper : It's in the release docs. The reason is that aptitude (and synaptic) will automatically remove unused dependencies but apt-get won't.
12:25<tj_>LOL -- ouch
12:25<themill>mysupper: they "need" wajig so that they can't make sense of any howto that's available on the internet?
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12:25<Zelta>kop: that was fixed ages ago
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12:25<Zelta>apt autoremove ;)
12:26<mysupper>themill yea..howto things..that's good.
12:26<themill>Zelta: try that on an etch box
12:26<kop>Zelta: It's not fixed in etch, which was my point.
12:26<Zelta>Ah, well, I wouldn't know about Etch
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12:27<Shinn>mysupper done
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12:27<mysupper>Shinn wajig <enter> and help <enter>. and read play with simplicity.
12:28<chealer>kop: synaptic doesn't do that in Etch.
12:28<Shinn>im going to write these down
12:28<kop>chealer : You sure? It didn't in sarge, but I thought that it then did in etch.
12:29<chealer>kop: autoremoving was moved to APT in APT 0.7
12:29<mysupper>Shinn wajig will show you the files installed by package and you can easily find packages which contain target files you need. just play with them.
12:29<themill>kop: yeah, synaptic doesn't autoremove on etch
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12:30<Shinn>mysupper I need the mysql files
12:30<Shinn>what is the right name for it?
12:31<mysupper>Shinn must be get aquanted with apt system first. do mysql later.
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12:31<Shinn>..I HAVE a deadline...mysupper i will get aquanted later today after im done setting up
12:31<Nemoder>Shinn: if you are trying to compile something and it says files are missing that usually means you need the -dev package (such as libmysqlclient15-dev)
12:31<themill>!tell Shinn about apt-file
12:32<Shinn>I have like 100 users msging me on's killing me I need to put it up asap
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12:32<tj_>mysql-common, libmysqlclien15off check if installed
12:32<themill>Shinn: there are lots of mysql packages. Only you know what files you need, therefore we can't tell you what packages you need.
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12:33<tj_>themill is right... but i have those 2 and i dont have any issue compliling most apps.
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12:33<tj_>if it will work for you i dunno
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12:34<mysupper>Shinn then , let me know what you gonna setup at your machine. mysql only?
12:35<tj_>mysupper... its a matter of opinion.. but wouldnt someone learn easier doing what it is that they are determined to accomplish than telling someone what they have to do?
12:35<tj_>both are installed?
12:35<mysupper>tj_ ok
12:35<phillipsjk>Shinn You don't know anything about linux, and you want the server in production by the end of the week?!
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12:35<Shinn>I had a server with windows
12:35<Shinn>I have about 5 people trying to hack me =)
12:36<Shinn>so I need to switch to linux...
12:36<mysupper>Shinn 'apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client'.
12:36<latitude>the problem chellanges the weak ones, but fears the masters :)
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12:36<tj_>i by no mean can say i have the experience to make shinn's life easier.. but maybe mysupper could point interest towards the real goal
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12:36<phillipsjk>Poeple cant still try to hack if you are using linux :/
12:36<latitude>be master
12:37<Shinn>these are script kiddies
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12:37<sylock>how can I install flash player 9 on Iceweasel (on Lenny) ?
12:38<mysupper>tj_ well,,I'm not so good at teaching things..but I can remember hard days struggling with linux. :)
12:38<latitude>!dpkg flash
12:38<sylock>I downloaded the run file but what will I have to do with it ? Only run it ?
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12:39<themill>!adobe flash
12:39<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
12:39<tj_>i am there now.. but like i said.. its opinion and we all have different learning curves... for instance i cant read a thing outta book and expect to retain it.. hands on lemme do it and i learn
12:39<latitude>hah xD
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12:39<Nemoder>sylock: you can try the nonfree package or just put the in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
12:40<mysupper>tj_ yea..right..books. that's great including handouts and pages.
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12:40<Shinn>I don't get it it still says make *** [needs_mysql] error1
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12:40<Shinn>mysupper I did what you asked to also
12:40<chealer>sylock: install unstable's
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12:41<Nemoder>Shinn: did you try the libmysqlclient15-dev package?
12:42<mysupper>Shinn libmysql* packages are pretty much overloaded. wanna try all of them?
12:43<mysupper>if you want, then apt-get -s install libmysql* will be the first choice.
12:43<Shinn>ok i'll do that then
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12:44<Shinn>it says E: Couldn't find package libmysql.dll
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12:44<tj_>shinn... will google turn up what your app is dependant on?
12:44<Shinn>yea it says that =S
12:44<themill>Shinn: "it"? Can you tell us more about what you're doing. Use a pastebin to show us the entire output, perhaps.
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12:45<tj_>mysupper... i am inexperienced... linux use .dll extentions?
12:46<phillipsjk>.so I believe
12:46<mysupper>tj_ I guess Shinn is using windows files.
12:46<tj_>only windows.
12:46<tj_>thats what i thought
12:46<eric_>on most of our workstations here nfs volumes aren't automounted at boot time
12:46<eric_>is there a caveat i don't know ?
12:46<latitude>despite the fact that, I put non-free into /etc/apt/sources.list, flashplugin-nonfree is not found
12:46<latitude>apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree shows nothing
12:46<eric_>some hidden option ?
12:47<latitude>that's on lenny
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12:47<tj_>lat, you must get it from adobe site
12:47<tj_>and thats only if your 32 bit
12:47<mysupper>Shinn are those sources you want to compile is for linux or windows?
12:48<cahoot>latitude: looks like it should be in contrib
12:48<eric_>do nfs volumes need a 'auto' option in /etc/fstab ?
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12:48<mysupper>Shinn we don't need libmysql.dll eg used for delphi in the world of linux.
12:48<shivraj>what iso has the 2.6.23-1 kernel ?
12:48<tj_>lat, i got it from adobe , it was painless.... after letting go of amd64 etch
12:49<phillipsjk>latitude, did you do a "apt-get update"?
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12:49<phillipsjk>(called update sources list in menus)
12:49<tj_>youtube works lovely.
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12:51<themill>tj_: we generally don't like recommending people get the outside installers for things like flash, java, nvidia etc. There's too much scope for things to go wrong (esp with nvidia!).
12:51<sylock>If I want to search for a file into the hole tree, what command can I type ? I used to type ls -R -a | grep file_name but it don't give me the path where the file is ^^
12:51<themill>sylock: find . -name file_name
12:52<sylock>thx :)
12:52<shivraj>whats on r3 ?
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12:52<tj_>themil, well, i use what works.. i know the mentality behind opensource and totally agree... but it works great... after pulling my hair out over the 64.. i went with what was easy
12:52<shivraj>2.6.18 or 2.6.23-1 ... sata issues
12:52<shivraj>I have 2.6.23 on dvd .. that computer has a cdrw
12:52<themill>sylock: learn more about find... it's a really useful tool.
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12:53<Nemoder>sylock: if you want a faster method try "locate filename"
12:53<tj_>besides for me, i need the adobe pdf viewer for work.. so might as well.
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12:53<themill>Nemoder: as long as the file as been around for a while
12:53<Nemoder>yes, at least a day
12:54<themill>tj_: the problem is that things like the nvidia installer tend to leave you with a pretty screwed up xorg installation which will break on the next security release etc. BTW kpdf, xpdf, evince as as good as adobe reader for everything except pdf forms. And adobe reader is nicely packaged up in the debian-multimedia repo if you really need it. /msg dpkg dmm
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12:55<tj_>good info... i tried kpdf and xpdf and couldnt get it to load "in-browser" dl the file and it worked fine.. but i might open 100 files or more a day
12:56<Nemoder>I use the nvidia installer because I want the latest version, I just have to remember to rerun the installer when updating any X components
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12:57<shivraj>will r3 have the modules for my sata disk drive ?
12:57<themill>tj_: I hate opening pdfs in the browser so I prefer to use them as separate viewers. (and I too deal with lots of PDFs on a daily basis). In iceweasel, I just tell it to open the file with kpdf and it drops it in /tmp then opens it.
12:58<tj_>switch between files on the oder of 5 files in less than 2 min looking for parts on schematics... just works well for me.. understanding not for all.
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12:59<mysupper>how about xpdf?
13:00<shivraj>how can I extract an image from a cd ? a bootable cd
13:00<shivraj>into an iso file to burn to another cd
13:01<fxiny>i never open pdf on iceweasel , i use pdf download extension
13:01<Nemoder>shivraj: burning software like gnomebaker makes that pretty easy
13:02<shivraj>cat ? /dev/cdrom > img.iso ?
13:03<less>dd if=/dev/cdrom of=img.iso, or somesuch (man dd).
13:03<shivraj>I see ...
13:03<makke>or cat /dev/cdrom > img.iso or cp /dev/cdrom img.iso
13:03<less>You might need 1 or 2 command line options.
13:04<chealer>shivraj: none. 2.6.18. the driver isn't for you HDD, it's for you ATA controller
13:04<less>I'd go with dd, but then again I'm old school. ;-)
13:04<chealer>uh, s/you/your/
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13:05<tj_>what happened to shinn... did he find a replacement for his windows app? oh he left... i thing that hurt his feelings
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13:06<shivraj>chealer : point well taken
13:06<mysupper>yea..right gnomebaker is simple. it can make iso image from cd-rom.
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13:07<mysupper>tj_ yea..I pretty sorry about that. I guess he is dealing with windows sources.
13:08<mysupper>tj_ he maybe have some delphi sources and thought those could be compiled with gcc.
13:09<mysupper>tj_ I heard of cross platform compiling..but that's very hard way.
13:09<tj_>well... i dont know much about server systems... but that one hit me like woah! she sould have known the diff linux vs. win apps.
13:11<tj_>i am sure when he cools down he will be back.
13:11<mysupper>tj_ I hope so.
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13:18<mysupper>I should call this guy linuxholic.
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13:21<tj_>mysupper, looks good... i like that for the nero.
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13:23<tj_>and i absolutely love that this guy put this line "The Linux version is free, but the Windows version is not."
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13:23<mysupper>^^..that's why I'm laughing.
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13:24<mysupper>and this source complied cleanly and installed cleanly on my debian stable release.
13:24<mysupper>I should try for one bootable image.
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13:29<mysupper>working just fine. :)
13:30<mysupper>I will trash away gnomebaker.
13:30<tj_>nice, good find mysupper
13:30<mysupper>and see u tomorrow guys..
13:30<latitude>tj_: just mentioned that instructions aren't usefull
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13:31<weasel>!tell mysupper about u
13:31<latitude>i'm about adobe
13:31<latitude>yep i'm pretty up to date
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13:31<mysupper>weasel I see. will use YOU ever after.
13:32*latitude must leave...
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13:33<tj_>what was lat talking about.. went over my head.. doing too many things at once
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13:34<McAden>I was just thinking how I've been watching chat for quite a while now and I had no clue what any of the last 2-3 mins meant
13:34<less>That means it was over your head.
13:35<less>Happens to me all the time. ;-)
13:35<tj_>:) next subject... totaly in the dark here.
13:35*less switches on the lights
13:36<McAden>I think I should try and go back to bed rather than sitting here watching apt-get tick by downloading all these dist-upgrade packages
13:36<less>But it's good to be here, I have learned a lot already.
13:36*fxiny fixes "Lee O'Nerd -Dev Inches" wanna be superbot
13:36<less>If you can sleep, you should. ;-)
13:37<McAden>1:35am here...sleep would be good since I've gotta work in the morning
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13:37<less>Then what is stopping you?
13:38<less>In a case like this, I just go to bed, go to work the next morning and ssh in back from the office to finish whatever I was doing.
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13:38<McAden>not sleepy :( been trying for up half an hour ago to wander around the apartment a bit before trying again
13:39<less>Insomnia. :-(
13:39<McAden>just tonight...not very common for me
13:39<McAden>oh well, back to bed I go
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13:39<less>Sleep well.
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13:47<tark>hi everyone, sorry for the silly question, but which kernel should i use for an amd duron 1300 ?
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13:48<less>Maybe just the latest stable kernel?
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13:48<tark>i mean is i386 suitable ?
13:48<tark>the install hangs after acpi check
13:48<less>Sure it is.
13:49<tark>at the very beginning of the install process
13:49<less>Does it really? How long did you wait until you decided it hung?
13:49<tj_>maybe you got bad image
13:49<less>Also possible.
13:49<chealer>tark: you mean which architecture?
13:49<dpkg>methinks k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped>
13:50<tark>chealer yes
13:50<less>They are all i386 compatible.
13:50<chealer>tark: i386
13:50<tj_>agreed, i386 should work fine.
13:50<tark>then i have a pb
13:50<tj_><----- would re-dl and burn again
13:51<less>I saw an ACPI 'hang' too, but after a few minutes the boot process just continued.
13:51<tj_>check the checksums i dont never had an issue but hear of those who had
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13:51<tark>both debian and ubuntu previously used disks to install systems hang very shortly after install process begins
13:51<less>Wasn't with Debian, I should add I think.
13:51<tark>i waited over 45 minutes already
13:52<less>Oh, that is a hang alright.
13:52<tark>perhaps ram ? i have only 256
13:52<less>256 MB should be good enough.
13:52<tark>that's what i was assuming
13:53<Gathond>well depends on what you want to do
13:53<tark>motherboard dfi ad77 infinity socket a
13:53<less>Have you ever run Debian on that machine before? Or any Linux distro?
13:53<tj_><--- istalled current i386 with only 128mb ram.. painfully slow, but install went fine
13:53<tark>never on that one it just came in today with win98 installed
13:54<less>Then It might just be some obscure hardware incompatibility.
13:54<tark>yeah win98 is still out on the loose nowadays
13:54<tark>where could i get info on that ?
13:54<less>Especially on old, second-hand machines, yeah.
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13:55<Gathond>tj_: sure it installs fine, but it might not run the intended tasks well enough
13:55<less>Good question, tark, but hard to formulate a good answer...
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13:55<tark>ok i'll look it over. doesn't come from the screen...
13:55<tj_>Welcome back gathond.. agreed, it runs.. just not well. and it was just for reference for this case
13:55<tark>try another hd
13:56<less>Good luck.
13:56<Gathond>tj_: for some tasks it probably runs well enought
13:56<less>Might be more of a motherboard issue, though.
13:56<r4m4>dpkg: hi
13:56<dpkg>salut, r4m4
13:56<Gathond>I have a VM with 128 MB or ram running 2 irc bots, that is responsive and fast
13:56<tj_>its pretty sluggish.. but its not what i run n-e-ways
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13:57<tark>thx less i'll investigate about motherboard and let you know
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13:57<less>That is cool, tark.
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13:58<chealer>tark: if the problem was common, it would likely be fixed rather than documented
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13:59<tark>chealer could you give me hints at identifying uncommon problems ?
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14:00<chealer>tark: I didn't mean your problem was uncommon. it may be fixed in another version.
14:00<less>That would be interesting, yes.
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14:00<tark>latest ubuntu install screws aswell
14:00<tark>should i get a lenny install disk ?
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14:01<less>tark, does that ubuntu install hang on the same thing? The ACPI?
14:01<chealer>tark: of course, if you can get info, Google will probably be the way to find it
14:01<tj_>Gathond, would you recomend a nother disk for tark? or atleast check his checksums on his files first?
14:01<chealer>tark: which Ubuntu version did you try?
14:02<Gathond>tj_: sorry, I've not followed it that closely
14:02<tark>well maybe not latest 7.04 but still worked fine on another pc
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14:02<less>So did it also bark on the ACPI or what?
14:02<Gathond>tark: you could try some of the kernel boot optiosn
14:02<tark>tryed boot option acpi=off aswell and just hangs before acpi then
14:03<Gathond>tark: using noapic and nolapic might do the trick
14:03<chealer>tark: that likely uses the same Linux version. I'd try lenny, yes
14:03<tark>less ubuntu is more obscure than debian
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14:03<Gathond>that and the generic_ide one (check the install CD's bootloader for details)
14:03<less>So, the hardware is botched. Get yourself another 2nd-hand PC and try again. ;-)
14:03<tark>argh how come win98 works fine then ?
14:04<less>tark, yes, Ubuntu is, and for good reasons.
14:04*tark scratches his head
14:04<tark>good reasons ?
14:04<less>To make it easier for everyone else to run Debian. ;-)
14:05<less>Hey, I'm running Ubuntu myself now on the new laptop, just to check it out.
14:05<Gathond>tark: actually windows (especially the DOS based ones 9x and ME) ignores A LOT of hardware issues
14:05<less>Is this something I can recommend to my friends who still run Mickeysoft?
14:05<Gathond>linux usually rolls over and dies if the hardware starts failing
14:05<tark>is there a way to bypass that ?
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14:06<less>You don't want to override that behaviour.
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14:06<tark>well in this particular case maybe i do
14:06<Gathond>tark: no
14:06<less>If a PC is botched, the better you know about it.
14:06<less>Don't you think?
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14:07<Gathond>tark: at least not short of fetching the kernel source, getting an editor and start changing every hardware driver to ignore errors
14:07<Gathond>of cause since the source is there you could technically do that
14:07<tark>i'd prefer a half debian rather than a full win98
14:07<less>tark: is it worth all that trouble? Get yourself another cheap 2nd-hand PC.
14:08<tark>this one is a gift
14:08<less>My house is full of them, and they work fine.
14:08<Gathond>tark: it just fails to boot right?
14:08<Gathond>or does it fail randomly?
14:08<tark>my house is getting over crouded with pcs
14:08<tark>always at the same stage
14:08<tj_>says hangs at acpi upon disk boot
14:08<tark>in the middle of hardware check
14:09<tark>but no error message of any kind
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14:09<tj_>its worth 35 cents and a half hour to dl a new disk 1 image and burn it again.
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14:09<phillipsjk>tark. If it is a hardware problem sometimes removing extra add-on boards (cards/modules) can help
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14:10<tark>tj i'll try that and verify checksums but am quite sure that's not the issue
14:10<tj_>phillips good suggestion i agree
14:10<less>So did you check the md5's? To rule out that one, tark?
14:10<Gathond>tj_: boot the installer with noapic
14:10<Gathond>and nolapic
14:10<phillipsjk>You can laso try something like prime95 to see if you can reproduce the problem in windows.
14:11<Gathond>for the debian installer that is done by writing: "linux noapic nolapic" when the installer asks you to press enter at the very first screen
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14:11<thepretender84>? help
14:11<tark>install says it finds lapic could that be the issue Gathond ?
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14:11<ajricoveri>i have already installed debian system on a hp server to act as a web proxy, but i need to put 2 more network cards on the pc, should debian detect them automatically and assign them their interfaces names?? should i know something else before doing this ???
14:11<shivraj>wooo .......... 1MB/sec .......... cant beat this 10mbits connection ...........
14:11<Gathond>tark: might, just disable both, it won't matter after the installer is done anyway
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14:12<thepretender84>what is a good app to rip dvds to mpeg2?
14:12<tark>k am checking right away
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14:13<tark>Gathond you rule...
14:13<tark>thx a million
14:13<tark>what was happening ?
14:13<tj_>gathond... you enjoy whippin out the big guns dont you
14:14<tj_>tark... gathond helped me yesterday
14:14<tj_>seems he is making a habit of this! :)
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14:14<tark>an examples to the community
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14:14<tj_>not yesterday... sat.
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14:15<tark>i'd like to know where to find explanations on that though
14:15<ajricoveri>if i put some new network hardware on an debian box .... should be the addition of this new hardware on the system done automatically ?? (on an ideal basis)
14:15<Gathond>tark: if it fails after installing, add the same 2 options to the boot settings in grub
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14:15<tark>Gathond will do
14:15<less>You might need to configure those extra interfaces manually, I'm afraid.
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14:16<Gathond>tark: the apic driver probably failed to load, and left the system dead
14:16<Gathond>I'm not even sure a duron has an APIC
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14:16<tark>well there's barely anything else than a graphics card and network pci
14:17<Gathond>the APIC is a chipset/CPU thing
14:17<Gathond>its a type of interrupt controller, if that tells you anything
14:17<less>ajricoveri, either just try it with a reboot of that machine, or consult man ifconfig.
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14:18<ajricoveri>less, on ideal conditions, the kernel would recognize new hardware automatically?? so the only thing ill do is to ifconfig them =) ??...
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14:19<phillipsjk>ajricoveri, I doubt it. you may have to load modules.
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14:20<less>dmesg is your friend (to see what the kernel recognises).
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14:21<ajricoveri>phillipsjk, after i have installed necessary modules, how do i know hardware is properly installed?? modprobe ?? and how do i know what name does it have ??
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14:23<ajricoveri>less, thx dude .. i usually do a fresh install on these cases ... but server is already doing his job and unfortunately i cant do that this time =P
14:24<phillipsjk>lspci should tell you if the cards are physically plugged in, as well as a vendor identifier.
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14:25*phillipsjk forgot how he figured out which card was which on his router
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14:25<ajricoveri>phillipsjk, thx a lot ...
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14:26<phillipsjk>Is keep track of my NICs by the MAC address listed by ifconfig. (But that is only liste AFTER configuration)
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14:28<less>OK, so what is the problem, phillipsjk.
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14:28<less>Ping everything and do an arp -a | sort. ;-)
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14:29<less>If you want them sorted.
14:29<phillipsjk>ajricoveri, wants to know how to configure his/her NICs before pulling the server down.
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14:30<less>man ifconfig should tell him, and otherwise this is fairly well documented on I should imagine.
14:30<ema29>has anyone had any issues with slapd in lenny? I'm finding that the full SSL/TLS cert chain isn't being passed to clients and thus they're failing to verify the servers identity
14:30<ema29>perhaps something to do with the switch to gnutls?
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14:38<tiburon>hi all
14:38<tiburon>someone could help me?
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14:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
14:39<tiburon>well, i'm beginner, and my question is as following
14:39<less>So, what is the problem?
14:40<tiburon>when you add some user
14:40<tiburon>the system requires several info
14:40<tiburon>full name
14:40<tiburon>shoes' size
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14:40<tiburon>well where those info are stored?
14:40<less>In /etc
14:41<less>I think /etc/master.password, or somesuch file.
14:41<less>Why do you ask?
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14:41<tj_>thats funny about the shoes
14:41<cahoot>shoessize would go into /etc/passform
14:42<ema29>tiburon: it'll be in the 5th column of /etc/passwd (the individual details are comma-separated)
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14:42<less>But tiburon, what do you want to know? What do you want to do?
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14:42<FFighter>does membrane work with Plone 3?
14:42*tiburon is checking......
14:42<less>What exactly is it that you want?
14:42<tiburon>[20:39] <tiburon> well, i'm beginner, and my question is as following
14:43<FFighter>I'm trying to set up membrane 1.0 in a Plone 3 buildout but getting errors, any hints?
14:43<tiburon>I'm just discovering this world
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14:43<less>Try to think of it as a world full of answers, not a world full of questions. ;-)
14:43<kop>I want to read/write to compact flash via USB and need to buy something. Where do I look to see what's compatible?
14:44<tark>noapic nolapic was automatically added to grub Gathond
14:44<tark>thx for your help everyone
14:44<Gathond>tark: ok
14:44<Gathond>tark: you might want to try removing it
14:44<tark>long live debian :)
14:44<Gathond>and see what happens
14:44<Gathond>you can edit grub live on the boot prompt
14:44<tark>right away
14:44<Gathond>running with noapic it silly if it was just a bug in the kernel the installer uses
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14:45<FFighter>so, anyone using Membrane with Plone 3?
14:45<phillipsjk>Kop: look for something USB cetrfied (
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14:46<kop>phillipsjk : So you're saying that almost anything will work?
14:47<phillipsjk>no, I'm saying I got burned in the past by crap.
14:47<dpkg>it has been said that usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously., or
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14:48<tark>Gathond you were probably right about duron & apic. boot hangs without the options
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14:48<tark>good to know
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14:49<Gathond>tark: ok
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14:50<sudobash>anyone ever use a BIOSTAR motherboard?
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14:54<oscar>hi anyone know how to play lineage2 in ubuntu?
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14:58<Shinn>hey guys
14:58<tj_>welcome back
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14:58<Shinn>I'm still having the issues
14:59<tj_>i'm sorry.
14:59<tj_>what app are you tryiing to compile?
14:59<Shinn>make *** [needs_mysql] Error1
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14:59<Shinn>well you might not know of it
14:59<Shinn>so no point telling it
15:00<tj_>i probably dont...but i am willing to google with you for a few
15:00<ajricoveri>how do i flush entries on the kernel routing table ??
15:00<tj_>there is a point.. your having a problem which we tried to help once with and was unable to do so.
15:01<ajricoveri>oscar, lineage2 uses directx totally, its based on unreal engine
15:02<ajricoveri>oscar, you have to at least use wine over ubuntu for your windows binaries
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15:02<chealer>ajricoveri: oscar left us. he may be nothing more than a skeleton by now.
15:03<themill>Shinn: we'd love to help you with this problem, but you need to give us more information. Can you at least pastebin the entire output from that compilation attempt? There is quite possibly an earlier error that will help us help you.
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15:04<ajricoveri>chealer, lol didnt noticed =P im moving in my office like crazy ... thx for preventing me from talking with the air =P
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15:05<ajricoveri>i say again ... is there a easy way to flush the kernel routing table ??
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15:06<Shinn>if I go aptitude install blah blah under a different cd
15:06<Shinn>is that global still or not?
15:07<Shinn>like rootname :/home/user/folder# aptitude install mysql
15:07<Shinn>does this install it only in folder?
15:07<less>man netstat, I'm sure there was an option to flush the routing table last time I looked.
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15:08<themill>Shinn: it doesn't matter where you run your aptitude commands, aptitude will install programs system-wide (as long as you're not running them inside a chroot, but you'd know if you were doing that!)
15:08<cahoot>ip route flush?
15:09<chealer>less: isn't netstat just for displaying?
15:09<less>So it seems on Linux.
15:09<less>There's no -f option. ;-)
15:09<Shinn>how would I know themill
15:10<Shinn>and is there a way to type peoples names here without having to type it? O_o
15:10<phillipsjk>Shinn, it stills installs in the same place.
15:10<Gathond>Shinn: depends on your client
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15:10<less>chealer: I think you are right.
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15:10<themill>Shinn: you would have started a chroot with the command "chroot". You can normally type the first couple of letters of the nick and then hit <TAB>.
15:10<Gathond>Shinn: most have some form of completion, usually by usage of the <TAB> key
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15:14<Shinn>lets say I go mkdir MYFOLDER
15:14<Shinn>where does this folder get save to?
15:14<Shinn>how can I open it with a GUI
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15:14<cogwheel>Shinn, cd MYFOLDER
15:14<cogwheel>Shinn, and to list contents, do ls
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15:14<sime>Shinn, i get created in the running directory of you sheel
15:15<sime>or if you specify it like mkdir /home/miow
15:15<themill>Shinn: give the command "pwd" to see where you currently are in the shell -- that is the directory name you can give to your gui file manager
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15:17<Shinn>ok cool found it
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15:18<cogwheel>Shinn, i recommend that you read this:
15:18<Shinn>ok thank you
15:18<cogwheel>contains docs for all the basic commands
15:18<themill>!general cli tutorial
15:18<dpkg>methinks general cli tutorial is, or
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15:19<themill>!general cli tutorial is also
15:19<dpkg>okay, themill
15:19<themill>cogwheel: nice one....
15:19<cogwheel>no biggie
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15:20<tark>last thing, i know it's abandonware and i should be ashamed, but does anyone know how to get xmms installed in lenny ?
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15:21<cogwheel>sudo apt-get install xmms2 ?
15:21<tark>xmms != xmms2
15:21<tark>that's all the point
15:21<cogwheel>hmm i see
15:22<Gathond>aptitude install xmms?
15:22<cogwheel>build it from sources? :D
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15:22<Gathond>I'm pretty sure both is still there, exactly because they are not at all alike
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15:23<themill>Gathond: xmms is *not* still here.
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15:23<tark>aptitude won't work xmms is out of lenny. cogwheel yeah well i'm not that good yet
15:23<tark>has anyone built it into deb for lenny ?
15:23<Gathond>themill: so I was just lucky to install it before it left then:)
15:23<themill>lucky isn't really the word for it....
15:23<tark>Gathond same here on 1 comp but the 2 others are screwed
15:24<tark>themill to nostalgics it is
15:24<themill>tark: you could look on snapshots for it, but you probably want to start looking elsewhere
15:24<dpkg>it has been said that sdn is go to to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems.
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15:24<themill>tark: ^^ look for the last packages for lenny, perhaps
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15:24<tark>themill i tryed snapshots dependencies won't allow the install
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15:24<|aleksanteri|>i hate my connection...
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15:25<chealer>tark: which ones?
15:25<themill>tark: ahh... you could pull the source and recompile. For the general procedure, /msg dpkg ssb
15:25<tark>let me chack
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15:26<tark>libglib1.2 which is now libglib1.2sdl in lenny
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15:26<cogwheel>tark, found the lfs page for xmms1, if you want to compile it i suggest you take a look at this:
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15:27<tark>thx cogwheel
15:28<cogwheel>first download the files, unpack the files, cd to the directory created and copy/paste the commands ;)
15:28<chealer>tark: ah, right. I guess the easiest would be to recompile.
15:28<tark>if i could just get a deb for xmms lenny that would really be great
15:28<cahoot>tark: looked at and discarded aqualung?
15:28<cogwheel>i could try to make a deb for it if i knew how :D
15:28<chealer>cogwheel: that must be about compiling from upstream sources
15:28<tark>cahoot yeah doesn't suit
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15:29<tark>if there was a way of making a deb about my installed xmms on one of my lennys
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15:44<sysop2>hi guys
15:44<sysop2>so have can I permanently set a proxy for apt-get?
15:44<sysop2>how can I I mean
15:44<ifvoid>just put the option in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02proxy
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15:45<ifvoid>ie, put Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxy:8080"; in there
15:45<ifvoid>and/or Acquire::ftp::....etc
15:45<sysop2>ok so make a file called 02proxy and put that line in it. thanks.
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15:50<daft>hi, is there an apt-get remove <package> that leaves my system quite basic again. (im running debian sid after 5 years is kinda bloated)
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15:55<sysop2>hey ifvoid, on the ftp proxy if its a socks5 proxy what is the format? Proxy "socks://proxy:port"?
15:56<ifvoid>no idea offhand
15:56<ifvoid>not sure if it can do socks, anyway
15:57<sysop2>thanks I will google at least you have gave me a nod in the right direction.
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15:57<ifvoid>sysop2: also see man apt.conf
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16:02<cwood>Good afternoon. While there's wmctrl to control x,y,w,h of a window, is there any way to prevent a window from having its geometry changed?
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16:09<thomasbaumus>how do i find the correct driver name to blackist it?
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16:18<cwood>You can use lsmod, or look in /lib/modules/`uname -r` ?
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16:21<Chupaguig>hi, is it normal than on sid i can't encode in MPEG2 ?
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16:22<dpkg>dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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16:30<Chupaguig>well thanks padski, i have alreay the debian-multimedia source in my sources.list and already see the post in
16:30<Chupaguig>but i still have a message in vlc (freeplayer) or in dvdrip that the mpeg2 encoder can't be found
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16:35<padski>Chupaguig, then you will have seen #440216
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16:37<Csakito>/msg iSLiFECORP invite xp7dgvxkm8b2s6c4
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16:37<weasel>Csakito: Mon 22:37:45 [OFTC] -!- There is no such nick iSLiFECORP
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16:45<Chupaguig>padski i've also seen the #440702 on friday
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16:49<Chupaguig>padski i've also seen the #440702 but the package ffmpeg-free is no longer available
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16:51<Chupaguig>alright it seems to be in experimental repository
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16:59<ircMonkey>Hi, With a hl1250 printer. I've got a file I do psnup -2>; then lpr The resolution used is wrong, as though, if I had done lpr, it would have been right. Then I do gv -dDEVICE=hl1250 -r600x600|lpr. Then it's fine. Why?
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17:01<cetko>hi, need help with vodafone mobile connect driver...
17:02<cetko>anyone using it?
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17:09<the-dude1>there are some howto's about the vodofone card
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17:11<supaman>hey ... I am having problems connecting to google talk using pidgin (connected fine earlyer this day but now it wont connect, no settings changed), anyone else having the same experience or know of a channel that is more on topic for this?
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17:16<cetko>dude1: I got it working for a while, but now the gui just freezes and i can't shut it down
17:17<cetko>not even with kill -9
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17:37<tj_>gathond.... you available?
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17:41<tj_>is it possible to view the startup log... or atleast what is displayed before the gui comes up
17:41<tj_>thank you
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17:46<kop>Can anyone recommend another serial communicatons program besides minicom? I'm annoyed that it wants to talk with a modem.
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17:50<tj_><------- needs help editing xorg.conf for enabling touchpad feature in control center -kde. etch 2.6.18-6-486. I took supaman's info dmsg to get "input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /class/input/input4" if that helps. there was not a touch pad "section" in my file at all. xserver-synaptics is installed.
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17:54<tj_>no takes on the touchpad?
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17:57<tj_>or atleast how to find what "device" in /dev/?
18:00<chealer>tj_: /dev/psaux. for the rest, just ask
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18:01<tj_>i had it set to psaux... but it didnt work... i used someone elses off google...
18:02<tj_>so if you would suggest line by line for me plz?
18:03<tj_>i have as follows
18:03<lupine_85>/dev/input/mice ? /dev/input/mouse0 ?
18:03<tj_>there is a seperate mouse section.... that is intact and working well
18:03<tj_>Section "InputDevice"
18:04<tj_>Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad
18:04<tj_>Driver "synaptics"
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18:04<tj_>Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
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18:05<tj_>Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
18:05<tj_>Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
18:05<tj_>Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0"
18:05<tj_>Option "SHMConfig" "true"
18:06<tj_>you guys see anything wrong with that except my typing errors?
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18:07<dondelelcaro>tj_: please don't paste here
18:07<tj_>i didnt
18:07<tj_>i typed it
18:07<tj_>hence the errors buddy
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18:08<dondelelcaro>tj_: the input method doesn't matter
18:08<dondelelcaro>tj_: but in any event, you want /dev/input/mice, not /dev/psaux.
18:08<dondelelcaro>tj_: and in general, you can not even invlude that entire stanza.
18:08<tj_>even if there is another section pointing to the same location?
18:09<chealer>tj_: did you try SHMConfig "on" instead?
18:09<tj_>i did not try that
18:09<dondelelcaro>tj_: there shouldn't be another section pointing to the same segment; if there is, then you need to use by-id or similar method
18:09<dondelelcaro>SHMConfig on only enables the synaptics command line control stuff
18:09<tj_>ok, if i want the control center in kde to function?
18:09<dondelelcaro>(and the X org log will tell you if it's disabled/enabled)
18:10<dondelelcaro>I don't know what the kde control panel actually does. synclient is the canonical thing; if it works, then your synaptics touchpad is working properly.
18:11<tj_>it works properly... just no adjustments
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18:11<tj_>the entire touchpad section in control center is shadded out
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18:12<tj_>say i wanted to change the cursor speed usint synclient
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18:13<chealer>dondelelcaro: ksynaptics uses SHMConfig
18:15<chealer>tj_: you restarted X after changing its configuration, right?
18:16<tj_>not yet... i have been re-booting to do so.. i know that wrong practice.. tell me the best method
18:16<chealer>tj_: rebooting causes X to restart
18:16<tj_>but actually the only suggestion of change is SHMConfig to "on" instead of true
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18:16<tj_>i understand but how to without restarting?
18:17<tj_>ok, i;ll restart
18:17<chealer>tj_: yes but SHMConfig "on" won't change anything actually. I meant did you restart X when you added SHMConfig "true"?
18:18<tj_>yes... that was yesterday.. no change
18:18<dondelelcaro>tj_: does synclient work?
18:18<chealer>tj_: and ksynaptics still complains about SHMConfig?
18:18<tj_>both complain about shmconfig and shared memory
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18:19<chealer>tj_: please provide your xorg.conf
18:19<tj_>where do you want my to put it?
18:19<tj_>LOL i dare not paste
18:19<chealer>tj_: any pastebin
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18:23<tj_>i just put in /join patebin
18:23<tj_>will that work?
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18:24<Shinn>when I try to install mysql-5.0.51a.tar.gz
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18:24<Shinn>I get this error before termcap functions library... configure: error: no curses/termcap lbrary found
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18:25<Shinn>it start to run..during the checking process
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18:25<Shinn>any ideas guys?
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18:27<tj_>shinn sorry couldnt help earlier... back for more huh?
18:28<Shinn>tj I got a lead
18:28<Shinn>now im having some other issue
18:28<themill>Shinn: is there a particular reason you want to compile mysql server? What's wrong with the debian package?
18:28<tj_>good... LOL man, your having a hard time... what did you do to get past the pervious issue?
18:29<Shinn>tj: I didn't get pass it someone told me to first get the mysql-5.0.51a on system
18:29<Shinn>so now when I try to ./configure that
18:29<Shinn>I get this termcap functions library... configure: error: no curses/termcap lbrary found
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18:29<themill>Shinn: Can you just use the debian package for the mysql server? It will be much easier for you!
18:30<Shinn>could you tell me how to get that themill?
18:30<themill>Shinn: aptitude install mysql-server-5.0
18:31<tj_>if someone joins #pastebin.. can you see my xorg.conf file?
18:31<tj_>dunno what happend to chealer
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18:31<Shinn>no packages will be installed, upgraded or removed
18:31<tj_>i'll be back in a few... need a cig.
18:31<Shinn>so I already have it then
18:32<themill>Shinn: yes. check that with "apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0"
18:32<themill>Shinn: It should show a line "Installed: 5.0.32-7etch5"
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18:39<AndresVia>A utility to record the desktop in SWF format?
18:40<dondelelcaro>AndresVia: apt-cache search record swf; is your friend
18:40<dondelelcaro>AndresVia: but see istanbul et al.
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18:42<Shinn>../depcomp: line 512: exec: g++: not found ok guys new problem yay!
18:42<AndresVia>It is pyvnc2swf
18:42<themill>!b-e Shinn
18:42<dpkg>Shinn: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.
18:42<themill>Shinn: what are you compiling?
18:43<dondelelcaro>AndresVia: that's one of them, yes.
18:43<dpkg>wayc is, like, Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get)
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18:44<tj_>chealer never returned huh?
18:45<AndresVia>dondelelcaro, one of them?
18:45<tj_>anyone tell me about my xorg.conf file?
18:45<dondelelcaro>AndresVia: there are a ton of screen recorders; I personally recommend the ones that just record to ogg theora, but you can use whatever you want
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18:55<Shinn>how do I get out of a folder
18:56<weasel>cd ..?
18:56<Shinn>like I go cd mysql
18:56<Shinn>now how do I go out
18:56<Shinn>I tried doesnt work
18:56<weasel>try again.
18:56<EmleyMoor>Shinn: Depends on where you want to go
18:56<Shinn>I want to go back on
18:56<Shinn>not front
18:56<EmleyMoor>"back on"?
18:56<Shinn>*back one..sorry
18:56<weasel>cd ..
18:56<EmleyMoor>cd ..
18:57<Shinn>...woot ... thanks (..omg I feel stupid with you guys here T__T )
18:57<weasel>Tue 00:56:01 <weasel> cd ..?
18:57<weasel>Tue 00:56:08 <Shinn> I tried doesnt work
18:57<weasel>you should. for lying to me.
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18:57<weasel>not for not knowing stuff, that's ok
18:58*EmleyMoor bets Shinn tried cd.. - that works with 'doze but not with Linux
18:58<Shinn>lol I thought you meant like cd dot he stupid?
18:58<Shinn>like that
18:58<weasel>"cd" would have worked too
18:58<EmleyMoor>Oh right
18:58<weasel>it would have put you into your homedirectory
18:58<Shinn>cd didn't
18:58<weasel>which is not one up, but still gets you out of mysql
18:58<EmleyMoor>cd /var would also have worked but may not have been where you meant to go
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19:00<Shinn>themill and TJ
19:00<Shinn> solved it =DDDDDD..with your help of course
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19:00<Shinn>and everyone here
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19:03<Shinn>how do I login as root
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19:03<Shinn>I tried this yesterday too
19:03<Shinn>didn't work for me
19:03<Shinn>so I had to loging as user
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19:15<Shinn>any help guys?
19:15<Shinn>how do I login as root
19:15<Shinn>when I start it doesn't work on login I need o use user
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19:16<weasel>open a normal shell, in an xterm or equivalent
19:16<weasel>then du "su -"
19:16<weasel>then do "su -"
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19:21<Shinn>weasel: I tried that but I still have same issue I am loged in as root although when I try to access a folder with terminal
19:21<Shinn>I get access denied
19:22<Shinn>*permission denied
19:22<Shinn>also if I look at the folder there is a "lock" sign on it
19:22<weasel>you only have root in that one terminal window.
19:22<weasel>where you ran su -.
19:23<Shinn>oh I see
19:23<chealer>Shinn: which desktop environment do you use?
19:23<jacob_>Is it better to use Apache or another prog to setup a web server?
19:24<Shinn>chealer: how do I know which is which?
19:24<Shinn>I was directed with this download
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19:24<chealer>Shinn: by default, it's GNOME. is your menu a foot or a K?
19:25<weasel>is it a gnome's foot? :)
19:25<chealer>Shinn: sorry, no idea
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19:25<Shinn>it's strange I don't get it
19:26<Shinn>says permission denied..and I am loged in as root
19:26<jacob_>what is the icq command for channel list?
19:27<weasel>this is not icq.
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19:27<MrHanz>I know
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19:27<MrHanz>I like ICQ but i am in linux irc for hte first time
19:27<MrHanz>i always used mirc on XP
19:27<MrHanz>I am kinda lost!
19:28<dpkg>hmm... irc primer is
19:28<MrHanz>I think i have connected to the ICQ Sercer but i don't know the channel command! It was bulit in on my last one!
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19:29<Aleric>Where did googleearth go?
19:30<MrHanz>Is anyone here familiar with the ICQ online Client?
19:30<MrHanz>What is the server name for that?
19:30<Aleric>I have it installed: ii googleearth Google Earth, a 3D map/planet viewer; but if I do 'apt-cache policy googleearth' it says W: Unable to locate package googleearth
19:30<Aleric>I don't get it :(
19:31<MrHanz>are you in the directory?
19:31<themill>Aleric: it's googleearth-package
19:31<Aleric>Oh, thanks
19:31<themill>Aleric: The package doesn't actually contain googleearth, it's just an installer (like java-package, vmware-package etc)
19:32<Aleric>themill: The problem is... googleearth crashes when I run it - and then Google tells me there is a newer version and asks me to download it.
19:33<themill>Aleric: if you enable tab completion for your shell, you can apt-cache policy googlee<TAB> which is much easier ;) Same for aptitude install etc.
19:33<themill>Aleric: I know nothing about googleearth.... check the bts though.
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19:34<Aleric>Another thing, when I run googleearth it tells me I don't have 'Bitstream Vera Sans' font installed. That's weird, cause I thought I had installed every font out there :/
19:35<Aleric>Question is thus... what package contains that font?
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19:36<themill>!info ttf-bitstream-vera
19:36<dpkg>ttf-bitstream-vera: (The Bitstream Vera family of free TrueType fonts), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.10-7 (sid), Packaged size: 345 kB, Installed size: 732 kB
19:36<twb>Does x-ttcidfont-conf affect xft-using X clients, or only bitmap-font-using X clients?
19:37<Aleric>ttf-bitstream-vera is already the newest version.
19:37<Aleric>I have that installed - so why is googleearth complaining? :/
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19:38<themill>Aleric: perhaps it's not looking in sensible places for your fonts. Is xorg looking in the normal places?
19:38<Aleric>I'd have no idea - I did never special :/
19:39<Aleric>I try to just install debian packages as-is, so it keeps working with effort from my part.
19:40<Aleric>If you know who to trouble shoot font problems, then please tell me what commands to run :)
19:40<twb>Aleric: does fc-match 'Vera Sans' find it?
19:40<Aleric>hikaru:~>fc-match 'Vera Sans'
19:40<Aleric>Vera.ttf: "Bitstream Vera Sans" "Roman"
19:41<twb>Aleric: so xft can find them, and "google earth" is evil
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19:41<Aleric>googleearth used to work find without these warnings or crashes by the way (a few months ago). Haven't used it in a while though.
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19:42<Villarroel>Can I run a wmaker dockapp standalone undecorated?
19:42<twb>Villarroel: yes, just don't run a WM
19:42<Villarroel>twb, I want all other windows decorated but not the dockapp.
19:43<twb>Villarroel: that is a choice your WM makes
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19:43<twb>Some WMs can be configured to not decorate specific WM_CLASS windows
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19:45<Aleric>Villarroel: have a look at 'devilspie'
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19:46<twb>Aleric: are you sure about that? I didn't think devilspie could be used to remove decorations from a target window.
19:46<Aleric>It can, I use it like that.
19:46<twb>Fair enough.
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19:49<Villarroel>Hello jegc .
19:50<jegc>Villarroel, Hi
19:50<Villarroel>jegc, It's me, AndresVia.
19:50<jegc>Villarroel, yes i can see that :)
19:53<Shinn>do you guys have any idea how to remove the lock sign from the folder?
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19:53<Shinn>It's causing me to access deny to anything I do in the folder
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19:54<Shinn>how do I login to debian as the root (owner) when I right click that folder and click propeties it says you are not the owner, so you can't change these permissions
19:54<twb>Shinn: where do you see this alleged "folder"?
19:55<Shinn>in my /home/user/FOLDERNAME
19:55<twb>Shinn: you are using a graphical system?
19:55<chealer>Shinn: if you lack permission to do something, you need the owner to give you that permission
19:56<Shinn>chealer I have tried login as root in terminal
19:56<Shinn>even so I can not make changes
19:56<Shinn>even if I try to move the folder out of the destination it says "you can not make changes"
19:56<Shinn>in terminal I am loged in as root
19:57<themill>Shinn: being logged into a gnome-terminal or xterm as root doesn't allow your filemanager to do things as root.
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19:57<chealer>Shinn: I don't understand what you mean...being logged as a user doesn't give any permission of that user to others
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19:59<HE3r0719>hello guys and gals, i have a small cofusion with my debian etch. im trying to wake on lan it but something does not work with me
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20:00<Shinn>themill and chealer: so what can I do or where do I login properly to "preform" these changes
20:01<themill>Shinn: do them from the command prompt.
20:01<Shinn>how so themill with "su -" ?
20:02<themill>yes, once you have logged in as root with su -
20:02<chealer>Shinn: you give permission to your user or you change the owner. if I understand correctly you're already logged in.
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20:02<chealer>Shinn: actually, as far as I can see you should change the owner.
20:03<HaMMiE>good bye to all i go to my bed to dream
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20:05<Shinn>how would I go by that?
20:05<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
20:05<Shinn>good night
20:05<themill>Shinn: good luck with it!
20:05<Villarroel>That's crazy, devilspie shows debug info about undecorating windows... but all windows are docorated! (Using E16 here)
20:06<Shinn>thank you
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20:06<chealer>Shinn: there should be an easier way to do that with your desktop environment, but since I don't know it, you can use chown
20:07<Shinn>chown chealer? what is this and how do i go by it
20:07<chealer>Shinn: yes. it's a command
20:08<Shinn>is there a way I can see the list of commands?
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20:12<HE3r0719>chown -hR <your_user_name> /<yourf_folder>
20:12<chealer>Shinn: at least KDE allows that. GNOME may do too. otherwise you can check /usr/bin/, /bin/, /usr/sbin/ and /sbin/
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20:14<HE3r0719>for all the commands double press TAB while in terminal iwndow
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20:18<Shinn>how do I edit the gdmconfig
20:18<twb>Shinn: sudoedit /etc/gdm/*.xml?
20:18<twb>You almost certainly shouldn't be logging into a full graphical environment as root.
20:19<Shinn>can i do what I want then logout later?
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20:23<bsulzer>hi ev'ryone
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20:23<bsulzer>anyone familiar with scripts?
20:23<cedric5200>no no sry
20:24<bsulzer>cedric5200: np
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20:24<cedric5200>French ????????
20:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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20:31<bsulzer>anyone familiar with scripts?
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20:35<chealer>bsulzer: just ask your question
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20:41<bsulzer>what i want to do:
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20:41<bsulzer>what i tried to do:
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20:43<twb>bsulzer: some kind of synopsis would be useful
20:43<twb>Oops, never mind.
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20:44<cwood>is expect/send bash syntax?
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20:46<bsulzer>cwood: i don't know
20:46<bsulzer>i just read it in a forum, where it seemed to be useful
20:46<cwood>bsulzer: it looks like you're trying to mix expect and bash syntax. Not that I've used expect.
20:47<bsulzer>cwood: now, how would you do that? it doesn't have to be expect. i'll use ev'rything that works
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20:48<Twizzler>hello everyone
20:49<cwood>If you can give the vpnclient a config file with user/pass, I'd go for that... user/pass can be read from ps. Otherwise just write a complete expect script.
20:49<Twizzler>i was on here last night
20:49<Twizzler>and you helped me (a very new linux user)
20:49<Twizzler>install debian to a ridiculously old laptop
20:49<Twizzler>but its command line only
20:49<twb>bsulzer: I think you need to find the expect(1) community and ask them for help.
20:50<cwood>Twizzler: you could try: apt-get install xorg
20:50<Twizzler>how would I go about installing a lightweight x window system
20:50<witte>!set up x
20:50<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome><install kde><install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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20:50<twb>Twizzler: do you want a full "desktop environment"?
20:50<Twizzler>i want to use it for a web browser
20:51<Twizzler>so not really
20:51<twb>Twizzler: OK, one moment
20:51<Twizzler>maybe some applications that dont require alot of space
20:51<Twizzler>it has a 3.0 gb hdd
20:51<Twizzler>before the debian install
20:51<twb>Twizzler: try this: aptitude --without-recommends install xserver-xorg-core netsurf
20:52<twb>Twizzler: you can fit GNOME *and* KDE into a 3GB disk
20:52<witte>Twizzler: you could install xorg and icewm or windowmaker or twm or fluxbox or ...
20:52<noflash>Twizzler, how much ram?
20:52<twb>My laptop only has 4GB
20:52<Twizzler>32 mb ram
20:52<Twizzler>256 swap
20:52<twb>32MB is probably not enough ram to start X
20:52<witte>Twizzler: and as browser you need dillo
20:52<twb>Without swap, I can't even run dpkg on a 32MB system
20:52<witte>Twizzler: and dont use xorg, but a lightweight wm
20:52<twb>witte: dillo is pretty much dead; netsurf is actively maintained
20:52<Twizzler>im so confused
20:53<twb>witte: xorg isn't a WM
20:53<Twizzler>a wm is a...?
20:53<witte>twb: yes was trying to correct that
20:53<twb>!window manager
20:53<dpkg>i heard window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager".
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20:53<witte>twb: you beat me to it :P
20:53<Twizzler>thank you kind bot
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20:54<Twizzler>so i should run the apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager?
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20:54<twb>aptitude search ~Px-window-manager
20:54<twb> what I use
20:54<mysupper>hello guys
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20:55<Twizzler>is there something you can give me (verbatim) to put into the command line
20:55<twb>Twizzler: to do what?
20:55<cwood>apt-get install fluxbox xorg
20:55<cwood>And watch carefully!
20:55<twb>cwood: installing "xorg" will pull in numerous extra dependencies
20:55<twb>e.g. both 75 and 100dpi fonts
20:55<cwood>Yes, many.
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20:56<Twizzler>so how would I go about deleting these extra dependencies?
20:56<cwood>Twizzler: Later on you can apt-get remove the packages you decide you don't need.
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20:56<twb>Twizzler: you can't delete them without upsetting the xorg metapackage; but you can install xserver-xorg or xserver-xorg-core, which are smaller metapackages.
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20:57<twb>Unless they're Recommends; I forget.
20:57<Twizzler>cwood: alright
20:57<Twizzler>twb: good point =/ i hope i dont mess this up...
20:57<Twizzler>is fluxbox supported pretty well?
20:57<twb>Twizzler: you can't really "mess it up" unlessy you run out of disk
20:57<cwood>My best new-to-Debian learning way was to install bunches of stuff, and then learn about deborphan and just what software I was -actually- learning... and if you do screw it up, you can always reinstall things and redo. It's all educational!
20:58<bsulzer>cwood: i know, it's just an example. in the end i have to pass a yes to the vpnclient
20:58<twb>bsulzer: yes yes | vpnclient
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21:00<Twizzler>so i believe i mucked up my connection to the internet a bit
21:00<twb>Argh, where does dnsmasq put its dhcp leases file on Debian?
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21:00<Twizzler>whew, there it goes
21:01<Twizzler>anyone use anything else other than debian?
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21:01<cwood>Not on #debian.
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21:01<amphi>perish the thought ;)
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21:02<witte>Twizzler: my celphone has symbian :P
21:02<twb>Twizzler: yes, but I don't enjoy it
21:02<Twizzler>whats a symbian?
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21:02<amphi>a phone OS
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21:02<Twizzler>haha cool
21:02<Twizzler>google in 3 seconds
21:02<witte>mmm, dpkg is not alknowing. Twizzler, look at wikipedia
21:02<Twizzler>first response
21:02<amphi>ghod knows what my ancient ericsson uses
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21:03<black_13>is it possible to redirect allt he bootup information that would go to the console to a file?
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21:04<amphi>black_13: /var/log/dmesg ? or do you mean the startup script messages?
21:04<Twizzler>talk about ancient, the laptop im installing to has a 233 mhz processor
21:04<twb>black_13: hmm, good question; dmesg output goes to /var/log/dmesg care of the klogd package
21:04<Twizzler>and 32 mb of ram
21:04<hellues>this is the output of dmesgh
21:04<twb>Twizzler: if you're new to GNU/Linux, you won't get a good impression of it running on that piece of junk
21:04<black_13>twb i am lookin for something a bit mroe aggressive
21:04<hellues>why cant i use printer i guess my system recognize my printer
21:05<Twizzler>oh, this is just a project another fellow geek and I wanted to try it out
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21:05<hellues>pls help me
21:05<Twizzler>i am gonna try pclinuxos or opensuse or ubuntu on my main box
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21:06<Twizzler>but you didn't hear that on here
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21:07<twb>!tell hellues about ask
21:07<twb>!tell hellues about cups
21:08<Twizzler>woah, there are the 75 and 100 dpi fonts
21:08<black_13>amphi i was thinking about redirecting everything
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21:09<twb>Twizzler: why not try Debian on your main box?
21:11<Twizzler>its all done installing
21:11<Twizzler>how do i load up the gui?
21:12<amphi>Twizzler: try startx
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21:13<Twizzler>ta da!
21:13<Twizzler>holy crapo
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21:15<amphi>you have clickable things?
21:15<Twizzler>i have a bar at the bottom
21:15<Twizzler>(clickable things lol)
21:15<amphi>what wm?
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21:16<Twizzler>the one yall toold me to install
21:16<abrotman>oh damn it .. who told him to install fluxbox ..
21:16<abrotman>now what are we going to do
21:16*abrotman gets out the saw
21:17<Twizzler>oh hey! i can right click and a thing comes up!
21:17<Twizzler>holy hell
21:17<Twizzler>j/k lol im not that retarded
21:18*Twizzler is messing with his styles now
21:18<Twizzler>why is it that all default ones are terrible
21:18<cwood>Try perhaps launching an application? Like an xterm... then you can install more stuff.
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21:20<qq>Twizzler: do you want gnome or kde ?
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21:20<Twizzler>xterm is loaded homie
21:20<witte>qq: he has 32 MB
21:20<twb>Twizzler: note that you don't need *either* gnome nor kde.
21:20<Twizzler>or xfce
21:20<qq>witte: ok
21:20<Twizzler>something super tiny
21:21<twb>matchbox or ratpoison would be better than a "traditional" WM, if you're just going to use it for web browsing
21:21<twb>They assume windows should always be maximized
21:21<witte>i think you don't even need a wm
21:21<twb>matchbox is designed to run on PDAs
21:21<twb>witte: correct, no WM is *needed*
21:22<cwood>Running without a wm becomes a bit of a pain, though.
21:22<Twizzler>well, i am "new" to "linux" and "4chan" suggest debian
21:22<Twizzler>so you lovely ppl have been dragging my sarcastic ass along
21:22<Twizzler>and I thank you for it
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21:23<Twizzler>what to do now
21:23<qq>Twizzler: depends on you
21:23<Twizzler>lets install something cool
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21:23<witte>Twizzler: install a browser such as netsurf which twb advised
21:23<Twizzler>maybe a web browser
21:24<Twizzler>apt-get install netsurf?
21:24<Twizzler>nvr heard of either
21:24<amphi>Twizzler: or w3m, if you can like a text-mode browser that runs in a term
21:24<Twizzler>but that doesnt matter
21:24<qq>apt-get install dillo
21:24<witte>qq: I also mentioned dillo, but according to twb that is no longer maintained
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21:25<witte>Twizzler: try both, and see which you like best: apt-get install dillo netsurf
21:25<Twizzler>first of all
21:25<Twizzler>how can i tell how much space is left on this HDD?
21:25<twb>witte: the dillo in Debian is very very old; upstream tried to migrate to FLTK2 (not release and not in Debian) and ran out of money.
21:25<twb>Twizzler: df -h
21:26<twb>netsurf supports CSS and Unicode; dillo doesn't
21:26<Twizzler>alright, i have 2.1 jiggabitts to use
21:26<twb>netsurf is GTK2; dillo is GTK1
21:26<qq>witte: i use dillo on sid also
21:26<emivan>Alguem sabe como faço para habilitar a internet sem fio para o debian?
21:26<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
21:26<Twizzler>couldn't find package netsurf
21:27<Twizzler>wheres my livecd at...
21:27<witte>twb: i use iceweasel, my current pc does not really need a tiny browser (and the old ones don't even have a browser :-))
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21:28<Twizzler>well, it wont let me install netsurf
21:28<twb>witte: neither netsurf nor dillo are tiny; they require X
21:28<Twizzler>i have x
21:28<Twizzler>at least i think
21:28<Twizzler>ill try dillo
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21:29<Twizzler>oh how i love wireless ethernet
21:29<witte>twb: compared to iceweasel they are i guess. And probably they need less memory as well?
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21:30<twb>witte: compared to xulrunner (i.e. iceweasel), midori is a small browser!
21:30<twb>It's like saying that compared to a Hercules, a 747 is small
21:30<Twizzler>alright, now i need a pidgin-like application
21:30<Twizzler>gaim or pidgin
21:31<masterloki>hi there, I have sort of a problem, just dont hit me.
21:31<amphi>midori will be excellent, IMHO
21:31<twb>midori *is* excellent already
21:31<Shinn>can .bat files be run on debian?
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21:31<twb>Shinn: no; batch files are the DOS equivalent of shell scripts.
21:31<witte>Twizzler: gaim is in debian stable, in lenny or sid there is pidgin
21:31<masterloki>I messed around with some config files, but now I want to reset them, the problem is that I cant remember which, what did I change
21:32<twb>Shinn: if you want to run a DOS *program*, you can use dosemu or (for windows) wine.
21:32<masterloki>any way to reset those files?
21:32<amphi>twb: it's a bit unstable, I find - most of the segfaults are in webkit though
21:32<abrotman>you can search /etc/ to see which files hav changed recently
21:32<twb>masterloki: in future, try installing etckeeper before messing around with the files
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21:32<twb>masterloki: find /etc/ -exec ls -ltr {} + will list the files in reverse mtime (modification time) order.
21:33<masterloki>twb: the kind of things you should and no one tell you :)
21:33<witte>masterloki: files ending with a ~ are often backup files (dependent on the editor)
21:33<twb>masterloki: well, etckeeper is fairly new-fangled
21:33<twb>masterloki: traditionally one uses RCS or something by hand for /etc
21:33<twb>masterloki: or even just cp --backup=numeric --force /etc/foo /etc/foo before editing
21:34<cwood>masterloki: you can always download the packages and extract the template config files to diff with your current versions
21:34<masterloki>cwood: sound like the right thing to me
21:34<Twizzler>but will pidgin actually work on this laptop?
21:35<cwood>Twizzler: it'll work, it depends on if you have the horsepower.
21:35<masterloki>I'll also check the *~ giles
21:35<Twizzler>that's what I mean
21:35<Twizzler>eh, ill give it a go
21:35<twb>Twizzler: you will probably find that X itself will struggle on a 32MB laptop
21:35<witte>Twizzler: use the trail and error method to find out ;-)
21:35<Twizzler>awww apt-get install pidgin didn't work
21:36<Twizzler>what should i call it
21:36<witte>Twizzler: you are on etch?
21:36<Twizzler>latest stable
21:36<witte>Twizzler: as i told, on etch, it is still called gaim
21:36<Twizzler>so ill install that
21:36<qq>Twizzler: irssi for irc in X or console mode
21:37<qq>tiny on
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21:42<qq_>hi here is qq on irssi
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21:48<Twizzler>how can i get it to always autostart x?
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21:49<witte>you can install a display manager such as xdm
21:49<witte>but i do not know if this is light or not
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21:50<witte>you could also write a script yourself that does nothing more than startx and put that in the appropriate directory
21:50<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
21:50<twb>xdm is relatively light in its dependencies if you already have xorg installed on the same machine
21:50<Twizzler>that sounds like it could be a useful expierence
21:51<witte>twb: i was worried about memory usage
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21:51<twb>root 1960 0.0 0.1 5192 976 ? Ss 09:07 0:00 /usr/bin/xdm
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21:52<witte>Twizzler: just install xdm :-)
21:52<mysupper>I'm using gdm on core2duo with 1G ram and no trouble at all.
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21:52<twb>0.1% of 512MB
21:52<mysupper>gdm is piece of cake.
21:52<twb>mysupper: he has THIRTY TWO megabytes
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21:53<Twizzler>of ram
21:53<shadowmanEXE>Hey guys
21:53<mysupper>twb then he should stay on shells.
21:53<twb>xdm uses 512kB of RAM on my laptop.
21:53<twb>mysupper: I agree.
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21:58<GhostlyDeath>Whatever happened in the new WINE version, the changes suckl
21:58<abrotman>file bugs?
21:58<GhostlyDeath>went from good to garbage
21:58<GhostlyDeath>abrotman: Windows disappear, crashes more often, etc.
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21:58<GhostlyDeath>And whenever the palette changes, the screen flashes black
21:58<abrotman>file bugs?
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22:02<mysupper>abrotman what are you going to install using wine?
22:02<abrotman>i'm not
22:02<abrotman>mysupper: but if you want to make a wine app work .. try Caesar II :)
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22:03<Boudha>HAbs WOn !!!
22:03<Boudha>against the Bruins !!!
22:03<mysupper>abrotman a game..:).
22:03<cdlu>Boudha, that's great, but this isn't the right channel for that. try #canada :)
22:03<Boudha>oh sorry
22:03<Boudha>im a bit too happy right now
22:04*abrotman is pretty sure the Bruins barely made the playoffs ..
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22:05<black_13_>does adding the boot parameter "quiet" totally quiet the bootup process?
22:06<twb>black_13_: no.
22:06<twb>black_13_: it silences (most?) dmesg output and (most?) initramfs output.
22:06<twb>Once pivot_root takes place, output mostly continues regardless of quiet.
22:07<Twizzler>for some reason, my wireless ethernet does not want to work anymore
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22:07<Twizzler>but it was working beautifully a few minutes ago
22:07<black_13_>twb how about all ouput directed to a file?
22:07<witte>Twizzler: what did you do in the meantime
22:07<twb>black_13_: can't be done
22:07<black_13_>twb i had used quiet but it only quieted it some
22:07<twb>black_13_: when the initramfs starts, there are no writeable filesystems
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22:08<Twizzler>witte: did a reboot
22:08<Twizzler>oh there it goes
22:08<Twizzler>sorry, it was being slow i guess
22:09<twb>Twizzler: if you run `free' it will tell you how much more RAM you need
22:09<black_13_>could you change parts of initrams
22:09<Twizzler>twb: alright
22:09<black_13_>twb and doesnt mepis do this or ubuntu
22:10<Twizzler>twb: says its got a nice amount free
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22:11<twb>Twizzler: can you pastebin the output?
22:11<twb>black_13_: I don't know, do they?
22:11<twb>black_13_: I don't believe you.
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22:11<black_13_>but mepis is a pain they go out of there way to make the source hard to come buy
22:12<witte>black_13_: mepis and ubuntu are copies from debian, they use the same base code
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22:12<twb>Poor copies, IMO
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22:12<Ibalon>hi, I set up a minimal etch VPS, and I'm looking at what MTA to use. what would #debian recommend? :)
22:13<twb>Ibalon: does it need to listen to the SMTP port?
22:13<twb>Ibalon: does it need to provide /usr/sbin/sendmail?
22:13<RIVE>Debian recomends Exim.
22:13<twb>RIVE: he wants a minimal MTA, I think.
22:13<RIVE>But's the channel may disagree.
22:14<twb>RIVE: i.e. just enough to push mail to the host OS
22:14<abrotman>Ibalon: postfix or exim
22:14<witte>!start an mta war
22:14<dpkg>postfix has shitty documentation
22:14<abrotman>Ibalon: if you're using a smarthost .. there are better applications
22:14<black_13_>witte poodles and wolves are related
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22:14<witte>black_13_: :-)
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22:15<witte>!mta comparison
22:15<dpkg>[mta comparison]
22:15<black_13_>actually im kind of pissed at the guy who puts out mepis that he doesnt make his source easily available
22:15<witte>Ibalon: maybe that last link is useful for you
22:16<Ibalon>lol, I don't want to spark up an MTA war :P actually I'm partial between postfix and exim, just need to pick which one. yeah, I just need a minimal MTA that I can send and receive mail
22:16<Ibalon>witte: ooh yeah, I better take a look
22:16<twb>Ibalon: please answer my questions.
22:16<twb>black_13_: mepis is probably obsoleted by the Debian Live subproject.
22:16<black_13_>i am using debian live
22:17<black_13_>and its awesome
22:17<abrotman>but mepis has nothing to do with #debian :)
22:17<Ibalon>twb: yep I have my SMTP open so I can choose to listen there. I'm not too picky if there has to be a /usr/lib/sendmail though, I plan for clients to talk via the protocol instead of sendmail
22:17<black_13_>i asked if something could be dont
22:18<twb>Ibalon: are you sure? Listening to 25 within the VPS is usually overkill
22:18<black_13_>and in debian
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22:18<Ibalon>twb: what would you suggest then? :)
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22:19<twb>Ibalon: IME nullmailer works excellently for VPSen
22:19<twb>Ibalon: it is sufficient for cron and similar to push mail to the host OS's smarthost
22:20<twb>ssmtp OTOH has been a source of never-ending grief.
22:20<hellues>hey i have hp deskjet 5740
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22:20<hellues>are there an exact driver that matches that printer
22:21<dpkg>it has been said that linuxprinting is an excellent website detailing available printer drivers and printer support under Linux. Very useful if shopping for a printer, or just to see if there's any hope of getting your printer to work.
22:21<Ibalon>twb: hmmm... I've to check if I can use my VPS provider's smarthost
22:21<Ibalon>but that seems good
22:22<twb>Ibalon: ah, if you don't control the smarthost then it might not work; depending on whether the VPS's FQDN resolves, smarthosts may reject it
22:22<abrotman><xoz> hellues: google cups deskjet 5740
22:23<rrm>is it normal for iceweasel to crash so much? especially on thing like youtube and anything else besides plain sites/
22:23<abrotman>yay flash!
22:23<Twizzler>i need something a bit more powerful than dillo
22:23<Ibalon>twb: actually I made earlier provisions, since I have dedicated IPs and asked my provider to have PTR records back to my VPS, for FCrDNS
22:23<rrm>should i asume the problem is the flash abrotman?
22:24<abrotman>it usually is sadly
22:24<rrm>is there a free version of flash that is not adobe problem?
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22:25<abrotman>gnash .. but it's not any better in most cases
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22:25<witte>rrm: iceweasel 3 is better in my experience
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22:25<rrm>how can i get it... run etch stable... add a source deb to lenny?
22:26<rrm>i run backports but that is not much upto date either...
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22:26<twb>witte: IME iceweasel is still unbearably shit
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22:27<Twizzler>is there a universal installer for linux?
22:27<twb>rrm: in the non-free branch of the repo, flash is called "flashplugin-nonfree"
22:27<twb>Twizzler: what is a "universal installer"?
22:27<Twizzler>like it determines what distro you have and installs a specific program you want
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22:28<twb>Do you mean a fat binary?
22:28<Twizzler>to make migration from a windows environment that much easier
22:28<twb>Twizzler: to install programs on Debian, just say `apt-get install programname'. It will download and install the appropriate binary for your architecture.
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22:28<Twizzler>well yeah
22:29<Twizzler>but not all distros have that
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22:29<twb>Correct, some distros are horrible useless crap.
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22:31<witte>Twizzler: most distros have something similar
22:31<witte>Twizzler: debian's system is one of the most reliable as far as i know, but other mechanisms also work quite ok
22:31<twb>FSVO ok
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22:32<cwood>Anybody had any odd issues using firefox3 on Debian?
22:32<twb>But I believe Debian's stability is as much a result of its rigorous adherence to its integration Policy Manual as it is due to the apt/dpkg infrastructure.
22:33<twb>cwood: well, it's slow and horrible and still hasn't fixed issues like assuming keyboard and mouse have the same window focused, or using the wrong x selection when copying/pasting with the keyboard.
22:33<witte>cwood: define odd
22:33<cwood>twb has oddness enough. :p
22:33<twb>Oh, and the last time I grabbed it, it didn't leverage the xulrunner-1.9 package, but instead included the whole xulrunner-1.9 code internally to the single .deb.
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22:35<twb>cwood: note that the issues I outline have been consistently WONTFIXed for many years by upstream, because upstream is run by morons and assholes.
22:35<cwood>twb: so it performs similarly to firefox2?
22:35<twb>Not that webkit's upstream is much better...
22:35<Gekz>compiz on debian doesnt seem to include emerald
22:36<twb>cwood: insofar as I only run either about once a month, yes, they seem to be equally slow and useless.
22:36<witte>cwood: in my experience it works at least as well as 2
22:36<twb>witte: haha
22:36<cwood>As I'm sure you can imagine, an opinion about Firefox who doesn't think that "upstream is run by morons" is a valuable second opinion.
22:36<twb>"we have made a backwards-incompatible version bump, and at least it isn't WORSE than before"
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22:37<twb>cwood: it seems to me that everyone who uses firefox says they have to restart it at least once a week just because of the memory leaks.
22:37<hellues>my system recognize my printer
22:37<hellues>but when i try to print something
22:38<hellues>that does not print anything
22:38<cwood>I don't keep my machine on for too long at a time, so wouldn't know.
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22:39<witte>cwood: there are debian packages of iceweasel 3 in experimental
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22:39<cwood>I haven't run experimental.
22:39<abrotman>you don't 'run' it
22:39<twb>Last I checked, there are only amd64 binaries in experimental
22:39<cwood>Better tosay, I haven't run anything from experimental.
22:40<witte>twb: ah, could be, i use amd64, did not check for others...
22:40<twb>And it took about 8 hours to compile iceweasel 3 on an 800MHz PIII
22:41<cwood># apt-cache search iceweasel | grep 3 # no results
22:42<twb>Nope, pdo says it's fixed
22:42<twb>3.0~b5-1: amd64 i386 ia64 powerpc sparc
22:42<twb>Still doesn't use xulrunner...
22:42<twb>That's fixed in hardy!
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22:44<Twizzler>so how would i go about installing xfce
22:44<Twizzler>just to toy around with stuff
22:44<twb>Twizzler: apt-get install xfce4
22:45<witte>Twizzler: i doubt xfce would run on your system, but you can try
22:45<Twizzler>thats where i went wrong
22:45<twb>Twizzler: I agree with witte
22:45<Twizzler>worth a shot
22:45<twb>Twizzler: even running x is inadvisable on a 32MB system
22:45<Twizzler>i can always uninstall it
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22:47<BoGdaN>i have 2 pc
22:47<BoGdaN>one linux debian
22:47<BoGdaN>and one win xp
22:47<Twizzler>and no grammar
22:47<qq>Twizzler: what processor has the comps ?
22:47<Twizzler>j;k, keep goin
22:47<BoGdaN>and one ip public
22:48<BoGdaN>how set port forward 6112 from win ?
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22:48<BoGdaN>ip to win is
22:48<Twizzler>qq: 233 mhz intel pentium w/mmx tech 512 kb l2 writeback cache
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22:49<BoGdaN>how set to work to go
22:49<Twizzler>that is the specs that were written on a sheet of paper when i got this lappytop for free
22:49<qq>Twizzler: thanks
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22:50<Twizzler>qq: why?
22:50<Twizzler>qq: and when i start it, how would i go about running it
22:50<Twizzler>just start xfce4?
22:51<BoGdaN>say me how resolv this probleme pls
22:51<qq>I wonder why you can't find more ram
22:51<qq>BoGdaN: salut , vorbesti romaneste ?
22:52<cwood>Twizzler: look into .xinitrc and .xsession via google.
22:53<BoGdaN>ce bine
22:53<BoGdaN>te descurci
22:53<BoGdaN>la ce am zis eu ?
22:53<BoGdaN>ca numai pot de nervi
22:53<BoGdaN>am debian si un windows
22:53<rrm>stai sa vad
22:53<RIVE>Hi, rrm.
22:53<rrm>hi rive
22:53<rrm>how r u?
22:53<BoGdaN>si vreau sa creez joc de dota pe windows si nu imi ia ip public
22:53<BoGdaN>si vreau sa fac forward la 6112
22:53<BoGdaN>sa duca la locall 6112
22:53<BoGdaN>ai inteles ce vreau sa zic ?
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22:54<qq>BoGdaN: intra pe debian-ro cu comande "/j #debian-ro
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22:54<RIVE>Good rrm, working for the install fest in saturday, FLISOL 2008, -Free Software instalation festival-
22:54-!-ZK [~ZK@] has joined #debian
22:55<RIVE>Just downloading some distros and burning cd's.
22:55<rrm>wow... cool... wish i was there... since last time we talked i think i installed and player around about 10 times
22:55<dpkg>i heard loopback is how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo netmask" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages. a driver to handle files as if they were devices.
22:56<twb>Aw. I was looking for "go to #debian-lojban, you silly people"
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22:57<rrm>rive... what distro u checking out?
22:58<RIVE>The LUG found some sponsosrs to buy cd's/dvd's to burn distros, buy the food and drinks -non alcoholic-, the installations where we will make the installations, and some shits for the helpers.
22:58<RIVE>rrm, i burning fron Debian to OpenSUSE.
22:59<twb>RIVE: IOW an installfest
22:59<RIVE>SORRY, no shits, shirts :-)
22:59<twb>Monash University's installfests are paid for by Microsoft! :-(
22:59<rrm>qq: from ro?
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23:00<RIVE>Last year we had the auditorium full -100 seats- and installed 60+ desktops and laptops.
23:01<rrm>nice... wish i could do that here... my damn work is windex only
23:01<cwood>Who are the "customers" at an installfest?
23:01<rrm>is ok... simple but i wish i never crash... ad and files are on the same server...
23:01<RIVE>Mosutly students from University, and HIh school.
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23:04<lonewolfextreme>i need help on sumthing
23:04<RIVE>HI lonewolfextreme.
23:04<lonewolfextreme>i need help..badly
23:04<lonewolfextreme>do u know how to configure DHCP server?
23:05<cwood>lonewolfextreme: there's a good example config in dhcp3d
23:05<lonewolfextreme>i've been trying to conf. it myself..but just could't get it right
23:05<lonewolfextreme>yeah....still i messed up bad...and end up doing the whole installation over and over again
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23:06<cwood>lonewolfextreme: I can pm you my lines from my config, perhaps you can crib from it.
23:06<witte>twb: I just got an email about monash university and a conference being held there tomorrow
23:06<witte>s/tomorrow/next year
23:06*witte watches his clock and notices it is 5h, hence the mistake :-)
23:06<lonewolfextreme>k...let me see
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23:08<lonewolfextreme>i got presentation on debian next week..still could't conf anything right..huhu
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23:08<cwood>Is there a way to convert bookmarks.html into the firefox3 format? For once it didn't auto-use the file.
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23:09<rrm>i wish i was at the install fest...i could learn a few more things... know that i am kinda new... my latest accoplishment is madwifi:-)
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23:09<lonewolfextreme>madwifi?..wireless connection?
23:10<rrm>i got the ar5212
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23:10<lonewolfextreme>ever use wireless data card?
23:11<rrm>and that worked fine:-)
23:11<rrm>pluged in and was pnp
23:11<rrm>but internal was bs
23:11<rrm>yeah... but i got a old one... orinoco
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23:13<lonewolfextreme>i'm new on debian...been try to conf deb with third party and it went very bad....every tutorial i did fail 100%
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23:14<rrm>dont... i am new too, but is ur friend
23:15<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
23:15<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
23:15<lonewolfextreme>erk...what is that?
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23:16<lonewolfextreme>i'll try to blend in more....bwahahha
23:16<lonewolfextreme>ok now?
23:16<mysupper>lonewolfextreme another thing I found out here is 'do not use u as YOU'
23:16<Twizzler>omg U cant be a substitute for you?
23:16<Twizzler>since when!
23:16<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
23:16<cwood>Since people cared about being literate, not morons?
23:17<Twizzler>i love being literate
23:17<Twizzler>it helps so much
23:17<gef>that's enough to make u lol
23:17<Twizzler>especially when you want to be a huge douche on irc channels =]
23:17<mysupper>Twizzler I don't know , someone told me using dpkg when I said 'see u tomorrow' yesterday.
23:17<Twizzler>just joking fellas
23:17*amphi sighs at the yoof of today
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23:18<Ibalon>hmm speaking of douche, are there some FOSS projects named after such words?
23:18<Twizzler>btw, xfce didn't work
23:19<Twizzler>btw is alright here, right?
23:19<amphi>Twizzler: in 32MB? I'm not surprised
23:19<Twizzler>now i just gotta figure out how to remove it
23:19<Twizzler>something like
23:19<Twizzler>apt-get remove xfce4
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23:20<witte>Twizzler and friends: one of the reasons "u" and "ur" are not fully appreciated is that not everyone here is a native english speaker, and it does not make it easier for those people
23:20<rrm>witte true... but we should give thanks to the aol generation, lol... including myself
23:21<rrm>just watch out for myspace
23:21<Twizzler>witte: i completely understand
23:21<Twizzler>witte: i am an american english speaker
23:21<Twizzler>witte: and short story writer
23:21<lonewolfextreme> guys are funny
23:23<Ibalon>hmm should there be an en_IRC locale?
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23:23<Ibalon>or en_LOLCATS
23:23<rinaldo>Please use gender non specific 3rd person plural terms, we have no native english speakers here
23:24<RIVE>I'm one of those non native english speakers.
23:24<lonewolfextreme>is dpkg a bot?
23:24<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
23:24<lonewolfextreme>nice script:)
23:25<witte>RIVE: probably 50% of the people here are non-native english speakers
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23:25<Twizzler>good sirs, i jovialy laughed out loud at that
23:25<lonewolfextreme>is "erk" allowed?
23:25<Twizzler>you just did it
23:26<Twizzler>ill try icewm
23:27<Twizzler>oooo...a command line....
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23:27<cwood>For low-memory usage, why not just use twm?
23:27<Twizzler>cause ive never heard of it
23:27<twb>twm uses more memory than tinywm, I'll wager
23:28<twb>twm doubles the number of windows in the window system, because it decorates windows
23:28<amphi>Twizzler: 'jovially'
23:28<Twizzler>get off me, i made a word up
23:28<Twizzler>and you all believed it
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23:29<Twizzler>or did I?
23:29<rrm>wait... there is tinywm?
23:29<twb>`jovially' has an established meaning.
23:29<twb>rrm: yes, it's about 80 lines of C
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23:30<Twizzler>what in the flying hell?
23:30<Twizzler>i did an apt-get remove xfce4
23:30<Twizzler>and went to start into my fluxbox
23:31<Twizzler>and now i am in...xfce
23:31<Twizzler>but damn it looks pretty
23:31<rrm>xfce? is kinda loaded
23:32<rrm>same with gnome...
23:32<Twizzler>im serious
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23:32<Twizzler>xfce is loaded up
23:32<qq>rrm : intra pe #debian-ro
23:33<Twizzler>how would one go about finding out what I did
23:33<twb>xfce is about 30% lighter, by disk usage, than gnome
23:34<rrm>well, i got 80gb and 500gb in ouside storage... not concerned
23:34<rrm>but memory and speed i am
23:34<twb>rrm: sorry, I was thinking of the last feller
23:35*dylanwh has 4G of storage, but thankfully only 800mb if needed for system stuff.
23:35<Twizzler>do you have like an eeepc or something?
23:35<dylanwh>Yes. But it's the same setup as every other computer - *-doc packages.
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23:36<RIVE>I hope to buy a Eee PC this week, this hope is like... i want world peace :-)
23:36<dylanwh>it'd be smaller if I used a window manager with less dependencies, too.
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23:37<twb>dylanwh: 980 MB here :-(
23:37<Twizzler>727m booya
23:38<dylanwh>of course, I only use urxvt-unicode and firefox.
23:38<twb>I don't have firefox installed
23:38<Twizzler>me either
23:38<dylanwh>well, iceweasel
23:38<Twizzler>dun think i could handle it
23:38<twb>biggest packages are xmoto-data and emacs-snapshot-common, plus the Xorg DRI drivers and the kernel
23:38<dylanwh>but even more confusingly, my ferret-like animal calls itself vimperator.
23:38<twb>Oh, and texlive
23:39<twb>dylanwh: that's still xulrunner
23:39<dylanwh>texlive lives on my desktop machine.
23:39<twb>I don't have a desktop
23:39<twb>Eee PC is my one and only machine! Huzzah!
23:39<Twizzler>so please lead me how i can figure out why xfce is still my default windowmanager
23:39*dondelelcaro can't have a machine without texlive installed
23:39<dondelelcaro>Twizzler: depends how you're starting X
23:39<lonewolfextreme>what's Eee PC?
23:39<Twizzler>only the best thing ever
23:39<dylanwh>lonewolfextreme: an ultra-portable laptop.
23:40<dylanwh>it's very, very small and relatively cheap.
23:40<dondelelcaro>Twizzler: if you're using startx or xdm, then just drop in exec yourwindowmanager; into ~/.xsession or simlar
23:40<witte>lonewolfextreme: an eeepc is a large pda, without phone function :-)
23:40<dylanwh>startx uses .xinitrc; *dms use .xsession.
23:40<lonewolfextreme>i see
23:40<dondelelcaro>dylanwh: not quite
23:40<lonewolfextreme>that's kinda cool
23:40<rrm>the new eeepc is not that small, but still great
23:40<rrm>wish i had the newest
23:41<Twizzler>just wait a month or two
23:41<Twizzler>till the atom processor comesout
23:41<dylanwh>dondelelcaro: close enough. I had to jump through hoops to make sure .xsession always calls .xinitrc.
23:42<dondelelcaro>dylanwh: yeah, what you do is only ship a .xsession, and no .xinitrc
23:42<cwood>What hoops? just ln .xsession to .xinitrc
23:42<dondelelcaro>or don't even use .xinitrc
23:42<dylanwh>cwood: is xsession executed or sourced? hrm??
23:42<cwood>They're the same file, really. They're both used in X startup.
23:42<dylanwh>Answer: it depends (though it's always the same on debian)
23:43<dylanwh>My .xinitrc isn't /bin/sh compatible, y'see.
23:43<dylanwh>and certain crazy X11 implementations decide to source .xsession and/or .xinitrc.
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23:44<rrm>guys... maybe i may start a war... but can someone explain me the freebsd vs deb?
23:44<dondelelcaro>rrm: we distribute kFreeBSD too
23:45<dylanwh>Are there advantages to Debian/kFreeBSD over linux?
23:45<dondelelcaro>rrm: and the differences are so large that it's not something that we can easily talk about in a few soundbits; read the documentation, try them both, and decide which you want to use yourself
23:45<dondelelcaro>dylanwh: it uses a different kernel; that's pretty much it
23:45<dylanwh>I mean
23:45<dylanwh>kFreeBSD vs. linux, why would you want the bsd kernel?
23:45<RIVE>¿For a desktop user are ther much diferences dondelelcaro?
23:46<dondelelcaro>RIVE: the linux kernel is the one that we really support, so that's what I'd suggest unless you know why you want the freebsd kernel
23:47<dylanwh>rrm: as for the freebsd system, I have had rather unpleasant upgrade experiences with it.
23:47<dondelelcaro>dylanwh: it has a reputation as being slightly more stable, and has some features that the linux kernel doesn't; however for more information, you'll have to ask the people who run it
23:47*dondelelcaro doesn't
23:47<dylanwh>rrm: debian's package system is a lot nicer and more forgiving of doing upgrades without reading anything.
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23:48<dylanwh>freebsd system upgrade somewhat require one to be able to read and understand what's going to be changed...
23:48<Twizzler>ill figure this stuff out later
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23:48<Twizzler>i need to get homework done
23:49<Twizzler>thank you all for the help
23:49<Twizzler>ill be on tomorrow
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23:49<rrm>i noticed that... and is hard to configure... i did try it... but debian seem the much better one at least from me... i just asked since when doing online searches it came up... i notice is more stable in as a server, from what i have read
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23:50<dylanwh>is there any way to make udevsettle not take so long, short of removing udev?
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23:58<lonewolfextreme>i'm back
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