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---Logopened Tue Apr 22 00:00:01 2008
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00:00<lonewolfextreme>i have a question why is it showing this and how to solve?
00:00<lonewolfextreme>*** Looking up your hostname...
00:00<lonewolfextreme> *** Checking Ident
00:00<lonewolfextreme> *** Couldn't look up your hostname
00:00<lonewolfextreme> *** No Ident response
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00:03<rrm>i had the same problem... but not now
00:04<lonewolfextreme>how to solve?
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00:05<rrm>honestly i did a full reinstall of gnome
00:05<rrm>and reinstall xchat, but not the gnome xchat
00:05<lonewolfextreme>oh..i use gnome
00:06<lonewolfextreme>then nothing wrong with my system then
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00:06<lonewolfextreme>just the irc thingy
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01:04<bsulzer> if i reach an expect eof, all spawned processes will be killed?
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01:10<McAden>hey all, upgrading from etch to lenny I'm getting an error - - anybody know a resolution? I'm not sure what this means
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01:13<jm_>McAden: the answer to your question is clearly "no"
01:13<McAden>I'm getting that feeling
01:13<lonewolfextreme>i dun have any idea..sorry
01:14<lonewolfextreme>i'm still struggling in etch...haha
01:15<McAden>guess I'll reboot and try again...
01:15<chealer>McAden: did you check the BTS?
01:16<McAden>BTS == ?
01:18<McAden>what is it?
01:18<jm_>try /msg dpkg bts
01:19<McAden>ah, bug-tracker, thanks
01:19<nevyn>where should the vim syntax highlighting file for puppet go? in the puppet package or in vim-runtime?
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01:21<jm_>nevyn: why not send it to vim developpers?
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01:21<nevyn>jm_: hrm.
01:22<jm_>but vim-runtime seems more in-line with the rest
01:22<nevyn>I was wondering if there was a way to manage these in debian.
01:22<jm_>you could just add it via debian diff
01:22<nevyn>so that you didn't end up with a billion syntax files for obscure stuff like haskell and mercury and blah
01:22<nevyn>and puppet ;)
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01:43<twb>What's the package that allows you to queue up a command to run at the end of ALL post-installs?
01:43<twb>Ubuntu's texlive packages seem to be using it, but Debian's aren't, yet... but I'm sure I saw the package itself in New a few months ago.
01:46<chealer>twb: I'd say dpkg 1.14.18, but that didn't go through NEW.
01:47<twb>No, I'm pretty sure it was a whole new package
01:47<twb>Another example would be installing 20 libs and only running ldconfig once, at the end of the run.
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01:51<jm_>twb: the infamous dpkg triggers feature isn't it?
01:52<twb>jm_: I honestly don't remember
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01:53<chealer>dpkg: triggers
01:53<dpkg>triggers are so mIRCish
01:54<twb>According to changelogs, it's in Hardy but not Sid
01:54<twb>Added by
01:55<jm_>yeah there was a flamewar ;)
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01:56<twb>Heh, just about every ubuntu debian changelog entry says "implement triggers" instead of "rebase triggers patch" or something
01:57<k1lumin4t1>is there any package that searches within a sources.list for the most available mirror?
01:58<twb>k1lumin4t1: apt-spy?
01:58<twb>k1lumin4t1: that looks through the *official* mirrors and finds the nearest one (by speed).
01:58<twb>Oops, that's what I meant.
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01:59<k1lumin4t1>Ibalon, thanks. That looks as what I need
01:59*twb finds
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02:02<chealer>wow. I never realized how the default Moin homepage could be good before seeing what has become.
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02:03<cwood>last edited 2007?
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02:05<chealer>hehe. recent changes in 2005. everything is relative
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02:24<twb>15:59 [twb finds]
02:24<twb>...was the last thing I saw (got yanked into a meeting). If anybody addressed me after that, I'd appreciate a repeat.
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02:26<janrocks>twb : nothing missed
02:26<twb>Thank you.
02:27<janrocks>my pleasure
02:27<jhoc2x>im a new user of ubuntu gutsy gibbon.. where to go to chat with ubuntu users?
02:27<jhoc2x>and how to go? just type it in?
02:27<nevyn>jhoc2x: #ubuntu
02:27<nevyn>jhoc2x: /join #ubuntu
02:28<jm_>twb: Who maintains dpkg?
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02:29<twb>jhoc2x: you will want to use, a different IRC network, for #ubuntu
02:31<jhoc2x>how to get to ???? what to do?? i got say from <twb> jhoc2x: you will want to use, a different IRC network, for #ubuntu ... no idea what to do... :(
02:31<twb>jhoc2x: that rather depends on your irc client.
02:32<nevyn>/server which will disconnect you from the lovely people here.
02:32<znalo>jhoc2x: could try /connect
02:33<jhoc2x>kk.. i'll try that guys.. thanks!!!
02:37<twb>jm_: thank you, that was a precise synopsis.
02:38<twb>(It reinforces my belief that Ubuntu are cowboys ;-)
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02:39<jhoc2x>guys am i still here?...
02:39<jm_>unfortunatelly the answer is yes
02:39<twb>jhoc2x: unfortunately.
02:40<jhoc2x>i thought i will be disconnected if i go to freenode
02:40<twb>Does anybody have a useful reference on kiosking GNOME, specifically on locking down specific gconf subtrees?
02:40<jhoc2x>how to make a reply red text color>
02:40<jm_>jhoc2x: don't
02:40<twb>jhoc2x: IRC does not support colour.
02:40<jhoc2x>i mean like that
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02:41<jhoc2x>everytime you talk to me, the txt is color red
02:41<twb>jhoc2x: some Windows clients use unspecified control codes as a non-standard colour mechanism. Otherwise, all colour is done client-side.
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02:42<jm_>that's done by your client to indicate it was a direct reply to you
02:42<jm_>read its help to learn more, this is about Debian
02:42<jhoc2x>how to direct reply?
02:43<jhoc2x>sorry.. im just a noob..
02:43<twb>jhoc2x: discussing IRC is off-topic for this channel, try reading and your client's documentation.
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03:16<KaiSVK>hi all
03:17<KaiSVK>does anyone know pls, how to enable lease query on dhcp server please ?
03:22<Nazcafan>I am trying to use an ipod with my debian box, I manage to put the audio files in the ipod with rhythmbox, however, they are not readable from the ipod itself
03:23<Nazcafan>any clue of what I did wrong ?
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03:24<twb>Nazcafan: you need to generate ipod's evil internal binary database file
03:24<twb>Nazcafan: gnupodtools can do this by scanning the directory tree
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03:25<k1lumin4t1>Nazcafan, try using gtkpod, instead
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03:30<twb>...yes, or you could use one of the numerous horrible GUI tools that try to do more than just build the database
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03:38<Nazcafan>twb, do I need to bu‍ild the database with gnupodtools just one time and then use rhythmbox ever after ?
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03:40<twb>Nazcafan: well, normally you tell gnupod once to create the database, and thereafter use gnupod_addsong foo.flac to add foo.flac *and* update the database, IIRC
03:41<twb>Nazcafan: the documentation should be fairly straightforward.
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03:42<Nazcafan>twb, if it were for me, no problem, but I need to setup a gui-like thing for a non geek user
03:42<dpkg>IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"
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03:42<twb>Nazcafan: then gnupodtools is the wrong solution
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03:49<alaya>please tell me if this is a cool idea
03:51<alaya>if there was some app that would notice the diffs between standard /etc on clean install vs. /etc for modified server image, then put those differences in some kind of graphical format via html where you could annotate and develop a documentation structure for it
03:51<alaya>sort of like combining rcs and documentation wiki
03:52<morgan`>alaya, like trac ?
03:52<alaya>except the page create on the wiki would be automated just from making a change to the RCS
03:53<alaya>morgan`: hmm. don't know.
03:53<alaya>this way the wiki would always stay current and would not need to be manually updated each time some file gets removed from /etc
03:54<morgan`>il you put /etc in the svn repository juste after your install, it does what you said, no ?
03:54<morgan`>except the automated creation of page
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03:56<alaya>yeah, it would be nice to have an app that could understand and apply logic for a new commit, connecting it to a new layer of documentation, for example all the changes after setting up apache
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04:00<morgan`>alaya, you make a ticket "configuring apache" that you closes during the commit (the hook already exists) et you made a link on the wiki to the ticket to explain the changes
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04:03<morgan`>alaya, I think that's a good idea but you should know what it already exists
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04:05<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, I have my ipod nano 8GB functioning GREAT, I just googled something and it works like a charm
04:05<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, there are some libs you have to install and one tricky "hash" thingy you have to do to be able to correctly write music on your ipod
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04:06<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, this could be also some help with videos
04:06<Nazcafan>KaiSVK, what program do you use with your ipod ?
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04:06<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, rhythmbox, gpoder ... thats all :) plus stuff to convert videos from that link
04:07<Nazcafan>gpoder ?
04:07<KaiSVK>I am sorry
04:08<Nazcafan>thanks for the video
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04:09<Nazcafan>KaiSVK, I could use gtkpod to use my pink ipod nano
04:09<KaiSVK>damn I can't find that great page about the HASH
04:09<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, for sure you can
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04:09<Nazcafan>KaiSVK, however, with rhythmbox, the mp3 files were not visible from the ipod
04:10<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, I know, its because the encryption
04:10<Nazcafan>KaiSVK, what do I need to do ?
04:10<Nazcafan>KaiSVK, cause I thing rhythmbox is simler imho
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04:13<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, you need to read the hash from ipod and then put it somewhere into you pc ... though I don't remember the procedure :(
04:13<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, last time I googled it in about 20 minutes
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04:16<rrm>any one know of setting up a proxy server so i can get around my works websense?
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04:20<KaiSVK>rrm, what is my work websense ? :)
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04:21<KaiSVK>rrm, what is tatooos, precious :)
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04:23<debacle>hi all, i need help please. my eth interfaces has disappeared !
04:23<padski>debacle, ifconfig -a
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04:23<debacle>it displays ONLY lo ! :-(
04:24<sep>debacle, load the network card kernel modules
04:24<padski>debacle, lspci
04:25<rrm>kaisvk: at my work they use websense... i want to setup a proxy server or or reroute so if i put that ip my browser to route all trafic to my house computer
04:25<debacle>sep: shouldn't they load automatically ???
04:25<rrm>so i do not have to bother with the block
04:25<sep>debacle, depends but often yes.
04:26<padski>debacle, did they previously ?
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04:27<sep>rrm, are you sure that's not against your company's policy ? man SSH and read about the -D option is about as easy a proxy as youll ever find.
04:27<sep>debacle, lsmod (are they loaded)? if not load them and see
04:28<sep>also whad did you change ? :)
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04:28<rrm>sep... i am the admin, but the beuracracy is so high up that to do that, will take me to the president... and is too much time
04:28<debacle>just rebooted the system
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04:30<sep>rrm, then ssh -D :)
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04:31<rrm>the problem at work i have a winxp machine... should i just ssh into my linux box at home?
04:31<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
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04:32<padski>rrm, speak to your IT people ?
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04:33<sep>rrm, putty is a ssh client that can support -D
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04:37<rrm>padski i am the it people... the problem is the we do not have a way to allow just one person... is form the central servers... never mind... will try remote log in
04:37<rrm>but is slow
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04:38<padski>rrm, apologies, I had missed that bit
04:38<rrm>is ok padski
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04:39<rrm>ok guys... good night
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04:57<Nazcafan>KaiSVK, still googling for it
04:57<Nazcafan>hope I can find
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05:00<StarkD>how do I change the default font size for xterm to "Small"? I've Google up that a .Xdefaults file should be created with some settings in it, but I don't find an example for "Small" font size
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05:01<sas67>morning all
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05:02<jm_>StarkD: you need to find out what small means for xterm
05:02<jm_>StarkD: /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm
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05:03<StarkD>*fontMenu*font3*Label: Small
05:03<StarkD>*VT100.font3: 6x10
05:03<StarkD>I guess?
05:04<debacle>lspci: command not found
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05:06<debacle>on boot it also told me no localhinterface has been found. Couldn't load eth0
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05:09<debacle>can anyone help ??
05:10<jm_>debacle: no
05:10<jm_>I suppose you guessed right
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05:12<debacle>jm_: ok thanks ...
05:12<debacle>jm: anyway it's too strange loosing networks card !
05:13<jm_>debacle: I suggest you stop asking yes/no questions
05:13<jm_>debacle: no it's not
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05:15<debacle>jm_: suggestion accepted. no more questions
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05:16<jm_>no one suggested that, just to start using smart questions
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05:16<n3ksus>hey, im wondering why i cant browse the net with iceweasel bu i can on konquerer
05:17<padski>debacle, apt-file find lspci
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05:18<padski>n3ksus, religious convictions ? tell us what happens
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05:20<Nazcafan>there should be an apt-file beagle extension
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05:20<padski>Nazcafan, is that a wish or a hint ?
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05:24<mysupper>hello guys
05:24<mysupper>quite a hard day...
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05:27<Nazcafan>padski, a wish
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05:27<Nazcafan>I did not see anything like that in synaptic
05:28<mysupper>what is apt-file?
05:30<n3ksus>padski: it tries to find the page but fails
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05:34<themill>!tell mysupper about apt-file
05:34<mysupper>themill ok thx.
05:37<Knight_Lord>How can i figure out what version of nfs is used in a client during mount?
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05:38<themill>!tell Knight_Lord about multiple ask
05:40<jm_>Knight_Lord: did you try mount -v?
05:40<padski>Knight_Lord, after the mount happenned ?
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05:43<Knight_Lord>padski yes after the mount
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05:44<Knight_Lord>jm_ mount -v doesn't show
05:44<padski>Knight_Lord, at the server or the client ?
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05:44<Knight_Lord>padski at the client
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05:44<Knight_Lord>padski if i can do at the server that also works
05:44<jm_>Knight_Lord: well apparently the default NFS version used depends on the kernel version
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05:45<jm_>on solaris one can specify it in a config file ;)
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05:45<Nazcafan>KaiSVK, after googling for a while I could not find any usable data about syncing an ipod using rhythmbox, for now, I'll just stay with gtkpos, though I would rather use rhythmbox if I could
05:45<Knight_Lord>I'll try to explain my problem. I had an nfs file server with debian 3.1. I had Centos 4.2 clients mounting it and they mounted using nfs3. Now I changed the fileserver to etch and it seems like the clients can only mount with nfsvers=2
05:46<Knight_Lord>If i try nfsvers=3 i get mount: mount to NFS server 'donatello' failed: RPC Error: Program/version mismatch.
05:46<Knight_Lord>Using nfsvers=3 with the old server works
05:46<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, just keep trying
05:46<jm_>rpcinfo -p donatello
05:46<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, try to use other search words
05:47<Knight_Lord>jm_ it shows version 2 3 and 4
05:47<Nazcafan>KaiSVK, I have to work, I 'll try again later on
05:47<Knight_Lord> 100003 2 udp 2049 nfs
05:47<Knight_Lord> 100003 3 udp 2049 nfs
05:47<Knight_Lord> 100003 4 udp 2049 nfs
05:47<Nazcafan>thanks for your help
05:47<jm_>Knight_Lord: then it must be nfs changes in the kernel doing it
05:48<jm_>Knight_Lord: hiw about mountvers?
05:48<KaiSVK>Nazcafan, you are welcome, although I haven't helped much :( good idea, if you find out, you could add some short article on debian wiki :)
05:48<Knight_Lord>jm_ what's mountvers?
05:48<jm_>Knight_Lord: mount option for nfs
05:48<Nazcafan>KaiSVK, if I find, I will
05:49<Knight_Lord>jm_ I'm not passing any -o nfsvers. If i don't it will mount as nfs version 2, at least according to nfsstat
05:49<Knight_Lord>jm_ if i pass nfsvers=3 it will fail with the error message i showed
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05:49<Knight_Lord>jm_ I also tried to mount from a debian sid machine and i get the same error
05:49<jm_>Knight_Lord: yes, I was suggesting using mountvers option
05:50<Knight_Lord>jm_ oh i'm not familiar with that option. I'll look it up
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05:50<Knight_Lord>jm_ is that described in man mount?
05:51<padski>Knight_Lord, it is
05:53<Knight_Lord>padski actually it's in nfs(5)
05:53<Knight_Lord>mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'donatello' failed: RPC Error: Program/version mismatch
05:54<Knight_Lord>The kernel in donatello is 2.6.18-6-686
05:54<Knight_Lord>ii nfs-kernel-ser 1.0.10-6+etch. Kernel NFS server support
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05:54<dpkg>hello, zumbi_
05:55<zumbi_>i have a file with paths like this:
05:56<zumbi_>i'd like to create a directory for ./etc/init.d ./usr/bin/ and so on
05:56<padski>Knight_Lord, mount(8) says "For details, see nfs(5)" :-)
05:56<zumbi_>how could i exec dirname/mkdir on each line of the file?
05:56<Knight_Lord>padski ok I just grepped for mountvers
05:57<Knight_Lord>padski but it gives the same error as nfsvers
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05:59<Knight_Lord>It might be relevant that this system was installed with debootstrap
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06:03<badana>hi guys. i cant install mod-security for apache2. there is package but only for sarge. i have etch!
06:03<Knight_Lord>I noticed there was no localhost in /etc/hosts so I added it and restarted the server
06:03<Nazcafan>I need to launch the syndaemon program with a few arguments at startup, what is the most proper way to do that?
06:03<badana>apt-get install libapache2-mod-security
06:04<badana>Depends: apache2-common but it is not installable
06:04<Knight_Lord>I now get the following error mount.nfs: donatello:/homes/donatelo failed, reason given by server: Permission denied
06:04<Nazcafan>should I add a file in /etc/init.d ?
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06:09<Knight_Lord>Before my logs looked like this: mountd[4375]: mount request from unknown host for /homes/donatello (/homes/donatello)
06:09<Knight_Lord>Now they look like this: mountd[4375]: refused mount request from for /homes/donatelo (/): not exported
06:10<Knight_Lord>I don't understand the (/)
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06:13<Knight_Lord>Now I don't seem to be able to export anything
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06:14<Knight_Lord>My /var/lib/nfs/xtab is empty!
06:14<Knight_Lord>But exportfs shows 2 exported fs. I don't understand anything
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06:15<McAden>there a way to browse the debian repo online?
06:16<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
06:16<Knight_Lord>Ok seems like xtab empty is normal even though man exportsfs seems to suggest otherwise
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06:18<jm_>Knight_Lord: use showmount to check what is exported
06:19<Knight_Lord>jm_ showmount shows which clients have the fs mounted
06:19<Knight_Lord>jm_ it's exported fine i think but for some reason mount transform /homes/donatello into / which is obviously not exported
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06:21<jm_>Knight_Lord: shomount -e ...
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06:22<Knight_Lord>Export list for
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06:22<Knight_Lord> /homes/donatello,
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06:24<McAden>mmkay, as a n00b I've been sure it was bound to happen sooner or later...I screwed up and deleted something I shouldn't have, what's the best way to repair my system?
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06:24<Knight_Lord>jm_ refused mount request from for /homes/donatelo (/): not exported <- This doesn't make sense to me, the (/) part. It should be (/homes/donatello)
06:24<dpkg>rumour has it, undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
06:25<jm_>Knight_Lord: who says that?
06:25<Knight_Lord>jm_ that's what ised to happen
06:25<jm_>Knight_Lord: which app prints that message?
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06:25<Knight_Lord>jm_ the log of mountd in the server
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06:30<jm_>Knight_Lord: try mountd --debug all
06:31<jm_>possibly combined with -f
06:31<jm_>-F even
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06:32<Knight_Lord>jm_ how do I do that?
06:32<Knight_Lord>jm_ I don't run mountd directly
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06:34<jm_>Knight_Lord: well do it now then
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06:35<Knight_Lord>Apr 22 12:35:08 donatello mountd[5108]: MNT3(/homes/donatelo/) called
06:35<Knight_Lord>Apr 22 12:35:08 donatello mountd[5108]: refused mount request from for /homes/donatelo/ (/): not exported
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06:35<Knight_Lord>with -d all
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06:40<McAden>I feel retarded, I screwed up and rm and deleted pretty important stuff
06:40<jm_>so that's all?
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06:40<McAden>*an rm
06:41<McAden>/usr/lib64/ is mostly gone
06:41<Knight_Lord>jm_ yes
06:41<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
06:41<Knight_Lord>jm_ I changed from nfs-kernel-server to nfs-user-server and now i get Apr 22 12:40:44 donatello mountd[5266]: NFS mount of /homes/donatelo/ attempted from
06:41<Knight_Lord>Apr 22 12:40:44 donatello mountd[5266]: NFS client tried to access /homes/donatelo/
06:41<Knight_Lord>Apr 22 12:40:44 donatello mountd[5266]: Blocked attempt of to mount /homes/donatelo/
06:42<padski>McAden, ^^
06:42<McAden>I realize that, thanks :)
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06:43<McAden>it'll teach me to try and fix a bug after having just woken up from a nap and still feeling groggy
06:44<themill>McAden: fortunately, that's all stuff that is just from .deb packages so you can just reinstall the relevant packages. (If it were personal data, then you'd be screwed unless you had a backup)
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06:44<Knight_Lord>jm_ The interesting thing with that log is that it doesn't say "Unauthorized access by NFS client " as i've seen on most other logs with permission problems
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06:46<jm_>Knight_Lord: let me see
06:46<Knight_Lord>jm_ if i change exports so that the client is not authorized i get
06:46<Knight_Lord>Apr 22 12:46:11 donatello mountd[5355]: NFS mount of /homes/donatelo/ attempted from
06:46<Knight_Lord>Apr 22 12:46:11 donatello mountd[5355]: Unauthorized access by NFS client
06:46<Knight_Lord>Apr 22 12:46:11 donatello mountd[5355]: Blocked attempt of to mount /homes/donatelo/
06:46<Knight_Lord>I'm also getting some interesting messages now
06:46<Knight_Lord>Apr 22 12:46:10 donatello nfsd[5352]: Could not bind TCP socket to Address already in use
06:47<McAden>themill: I'm not sure entirely what the relevent packages are - I can only tell from how my system is acting at the moment that some of the files were related to gnome, aptitude, and libc
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06:49<McAden>I have a lot of the aptitude stuff at least still in my /var/cache/apt/archives directory, in order to install these I use dpkg right? question is where?
06:49<themill>McAden: does aptitude search '~i' produce sensible output (i.e. a list of installed packages)? Or does it just crash.
06:50<McAden>tries to load "" and can't find it
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06:51<McAden>I have .deb of both aptitude and libc...but what's the cmd to install them?
06:51<padski>McAden, does wget still work ? rescue disk ?
06:51<themill>McAden: if you still have the original install media around, then using that as a rescue disk might be the easiest thing to do.
06:51<themill>McAden: does dpkg --get-selections work?
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06:53<McAden>dpkg still works
06:53<dpkg>from memory, works is something I am
06:53<themill>McAden: hmmm... easiest method for you might just to be to reinstall off your installation medium. to save the package list to disk to make it easier to do, /msg dpkg debian clone
06:54<McAden>installed from the windows boot-loader
06:55<themill>McAden: But you *might* be able to get a working apt and aptitude again by: dpkg -i /var/cache /var/cache/apt/archives/apt*deb
06:55<themill>McAden: erm dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apt*deb
06:58<jm_>Knight_Lord: well it looks like RPC client passes / in this case
07:00<McAden>looks like too many dependencies are gone
07:00<McAden>apt needs libc6 which needs libglib (don't have)
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07:03<McAden>well, I need to go, I'll try and either come up with a solution or I'll reinstall
07:04<McAden>Thanks for the help
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07:10<themill>McAden: OK. to save a list of your currently installed packages, /msg dpkg debian clone
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07:21<bignose>'dput' is failing to upload the 'foo-1.2.3-1.orig.tar.gz' (to
07:21<bignose>how can I get the file uploaded properly?
07:21<bignose>(using dput)
07:22<bignose>the man page doesn't mention how to force an upload of the .orig.tar.gz, but is responding with errors suggesting that it should be done at the same time as the upload
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07:29<Knight_Lord>Is there a way to check if an nfs mounted volume is mounted using version 2 or version 3?
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07:32<jm_>Knight_Lord: you can probably see it by sniffing the traffic with wireshark
07:33<bignose>Knight_Lord: 'rpcinfo -p localhost'
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07:34<bignose>Knight_Lord: will show what connections, and what version protocol, are currently using RPC on localhost
07:34<jm_>no it won't
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07:36<Knight_Lord>jm_ ok thanks
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07:39<boobaloo>hi all
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07:40<boobaloo>:) i'd like to know
07:40<boobaloo>now i'm using ubuntu but i'm a little bit fed up with this
07:41<Warp4>boobaloo, jump on over toe #ubuntu
07:41<boobaloo>what iso file do i have to dl to install debian?
07:41<Warp4>boobaloo, you can downlaod the netinst ISO if you want to do an internet install
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07:42<bignose>boobaloo: if you have good internet connectivity the quickest way is to use the "netinst" (network install) image
07:42<boobaloo>mmm okey thx, because i didn't know what to choose with all the iso
07:42<bignose>boobaloo: <URL: >
07:42<Warp4>just depends on how you want to install it
07:43<boobaloo>okey thx! i'm dl it now :)
07:43<Warp4>yeah we have a 120mbit connection to the world here at work so net installs alawys go fast for me :D
07:43<boobaloo>this is a big change with ubuntu or not?
07:44<boobaloo>:D nice, here at home it's about 4mbit
07:44<boobaloo>so it's quite fast too
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07:46<Warp4>boobaloo, then again, i work for an isp so i guess a 120mbit connection is to be expected :)
07:46<boobaloo>but i'm living in france, what's the "normal" connection speed in the us?
07:46<phorce1>boobaloo: No "normal" really. Varies greatly by area
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07:48<boobaloo>mmm okey here too , from 128 kb to about 20mb
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07:48<phorce1>even varies a bit in a single geographic area based on provider (like here where I am. If you are a cable-ISP customer your max speed is 8MiB down bust if you are a DSL customer it is 6MiB down)
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07:49<lente>how do i have to change startx /usr/bin/mplayer /path/to/movie, that /path/to/movie is an argument for mplayer?
07:49<boobaloo>mmm okey i see.. but do u use the "optical wires" (don't know how to say it :p here we say "fibre optique"
07:50<boobaloo>here they are just beginnig to install it
07:50<HaMMiE>good day to all :)
07:50<phorce1>boobaloo: There are some areas using fiber-to-the-home. The get up to around 15MiB down speed.
07:50<boobaloo>thx u too hammie!
07:51<boobaloo>wow that's real good
07:51<themill>boobaloo: fibre optic, unsurprisingly ;)
07:51<phorce1>DSL *can* get that high but all the equipment isn't in place everywhere yet.
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07:52<phorce1>ADSL2 uses bonded connections to increase speed.
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07:52<boobaloo>mmm i see
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07:53<jm_>lente: doesn't it do just that?
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07:54<phorce1>And, speaking of DSL ... I've been poking around in /etc/network/interfaces and looking for documentation on resolvconf -- how do I *STOP* a DHCP connection from changing my /etc/resolv.conf? I want my nameservers to stay static.
07:54<lente>startx thinks that /path/.. is another programm to start
07:54<jm_>no, it takes 1st argument as client and the rest as client args
07:54<themill>!tell phorce1 about fixresolvconf
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07:55<phorce1>lente: try startx "/usr/bin/mplayer '/path/to/movie'" (start fiddling around with quote placement)
07:55<boobaloo>sorry i can't help u, may be in a few month when i'll know debian better :p
07:56<phorce1>thank you themill
07:56<kjetil_>phorce1: immunize the file :P
07:58<phorce1>I'm playing with adding a second (ADSL) Ethernet connection to this box and having it change the nameserver over to the slow-to-respond DSL router every 30 to 60 minutes was getting annoying.
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07:59<lente>phorce: it doesnt work either
07:59<lente>phorce:no such file or dir
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08:01<phorce1>lente: I didn't even know you could fire x right into a program like mplayer from the startx command. Not something I ever needed. But, adjusting how things are quoted is the most common way to force certain parts of the command line to see only certain other parts. Try moving the quotes around.
08:02<lente>phorce1:i ll try
08:02<phorce1>hmmm, is something going to start raising cain in syslog because I did the immutable attribute trick on resolv.conf?
08:03<lente>phorce1:startin from the xterm is no prob^^
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08:04<boobaloo>hey does the eeepc 9' already out in the us?
08:04<phorce1>oh boy, first customer call of the day. /me goes /away for a while
08:05<boobaloo>:s good luck!
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08:07<less>The DHCP client tends to want to change /etc/resolv.conf...
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08:13<zakame>hmm is down?
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08:25<k-man>it seems as though the fglrx modules won;t compile with 2.6.25
08:25<k-man>anyone know of a work around?
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08:26<jm_>ask AMD/google
08:26<jm_>when that happens with nvidia, it's usually easy to find
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08:27<k-man>yeah... i found something on it
08:27<k-man>its not super helpful though
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08:28<k-man>i didn;t really want to have to start hacking things to get it to compile
08:28<k-man>damn i hate propriatry graphics drivers *sigh*
08:29<jm_>it includes a patch
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08:30<k-man>or two
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08:32<Shinn>Morning =)
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08:36<k-man>when i do the m-a build, it unpacks the module package again, overwriting the patches
08:36<k-man>how can i get it to just compile and install?
08:36<jm_>get tgz into temp location, fix it, repack, put it in place
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08:37<k-man>jm_, actually, -O prevents it from unpacking again
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08:38<jm_>k-man: my version doesn't have such switch
08:38<nosek>hello guyz, may I ask ya sth about linux?
08:38<k-man>jm_, oh
08:38<k-man>jm_, strange....
08:38<k-man>anyway, gotta restart X
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08:38<nosek>does anyone here can help me with Hamachi on Linux?!
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08:42<k-man>jm_, thanks for pushing me to do the patching
08:42<k-man>wasn't hard at all
08:42<k-man>i was just being lazy
08:42<jm_>done it before
08:43<_haxi_>anyway to export LD_PRELOAD= two .so ?
08:43<k-man>what? pushed me? or patching? (probably both come to think of it)
08:43<jm_>hehe patching
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08:44<jm_>_haxi_: yes
08:47<lente>how can i start mplayer with arguments with startx? startx mplayer args/ startx "mplayer 'args'"/ startx "mplayer args" dont work
08:48<nevyn>lente: what are you trying to achieve.
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08:48<lente>i want to start mplayer in fullscreen mode playin all the time the videos saved in a playlist
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08:49<lente>without any desktop because my embedded pc has only 2 gb hd
08:50<jm_>_haxi_: man
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08:51<nevyn>lente: you almost certainly want a window manager
08:52<lente>and what do have to do?
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08:54<padski>nevyn, why ?
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08:55<jm_>what's the point in using window manager if he wants to run it in full-screen?
08:55<nevyn>padski: dialog management if he wants to switch to the mplayer control focus a window.
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08:56<padski>which raises the question ... which is the wm written specifically just for this ?
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08:58<dylanwh>xmonad, of course. ;)
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08:59<padski>I thought of tiling, but it doesn't seem ideal for the application :-)
09:01<dylanwh>well, you can make it so only one window is visible at a time.
09:02<padski>can you make it so that it looks cool ? The users are almost certain to ask for that ...
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09:03<dylanwh>well, by default it doesn't look like anything
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09:07<Shinn>guys how do I run a shell script on Debian
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09:08<SlayerXP>Shinn: the same way as on any other unix-like operating system
09:08<Shinn>SlayerXP: Im new to linux, would you be kind enough to tell me how?
09:09<Shinn>is it ./script start
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09:10<SlayerXP>Shinn: that's one possible invocation, yes
09:11<Shinn>is there anything else, because when I try that it says "No such file or directory
09:11<Shinn>when it's typed right and is there
09:11<SlayerXP>shinn: that will happen if the script isn't marked as executable
09:12<Shinn>how would I do that SlayerXP
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09:12<SlayerXP>shinn: well, first you'd check
09:12<Shinn>when I right click on file and click properties it says its type: shell script
09:13<Shinn>is there any other way to check?
09:13<dylanwh>one can also use "perl" to execute just about any script...
09:13<Shinn>aptitude install perl would work ?
09:13<SlayerXP>shinn: "ls -l filename"
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09:13<dylanwh>Shinn: should already be there.
09:14<SlayerXP>shinn: though, at this point, i'm more inclined to think you need to read a new user's guide
09:14<padski>Is there a way to make ooo calc use comma instead of semi-coln as a function parameter delimiter lke that other spreadsheet ?
09:14<dylanwh>anyway, executing shell scripts with perl is mostly just a way to confuse one's cow-orkers. :)
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09:15<amol>hi to all, how to know that system is little indian or big endian?
09:15<Shinn>SlayerXP is says no such directory with ls -1 script
09:16<SlayerXP>Shinn: then perhaps there's no such file or directory
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09:16<amol>is there any command to know that system is little/big endian?
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09:17<Shinn>but there is haha it's there I see it and it's type is a shell script
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09:17<Shinn>how would I mark it as a executable
09:17<dylanwh>Shinn: ls -l, l is ell, not -1 (one)
09:18<dylanwh>Shinn: chmod +x script
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09:19<jm_>-1 is a vali switch for ls, it wouldn';t cause such error
09:20<jm_>amol: perl -V shall help if nothing else
09:20<SlayerXP>shinn: what script are you trying to run, exactly?
09:21<Shinn>dylanwh: chmod +x myscript outputs error as : cannot access 'myscript': no such file or directory
09:21<dylanwh>Shinn: you're not in the right directory, then
09:21<dylanwh>what does 'pwd' say?
09:22<Shinn>now I have different problem
09:22<amol>jm_ : i run this command #perl -V | grep endian ....but no output shown..
09:23<Shinn>-su: ./myscript: Permisson denied
09:23<Shinn>and im in root terminal
09:23<jm_>amol: grep byteorder
09:23<dylanwh>Shinn: chmod +x ./myscript
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09:23<Shinn>./myscrpit start?
09:24<amol>jm_: out for this is as ...intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234
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09:24<amol>jm_: it means it s little endian?
09:24<dylanwh>amol: or perl -le 'pack("s2",1,2) eq "\1\0\2\0" ? "little" : "big"'
09:24<dylanwh>amol: or perl -le 'print pack("s2",1,2) eq "\1\0\2\0" ? "little" : "big"'
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09:25<amol>dylanwh: thanks it shown output as little.
09:25<dylanwh>amol: well, unless you're on ppc . . . it should be, right?
09:26<dylanwh>Or one of the even less-common big endian systems
09:26<amol>dylanwh: i am working on intel pentium4.
09:26<jm_>amol: yes, probably x86
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09:27<Shinn>hmm ok dylanwh and SlayerXP it's solved I ran it
09:27<amol>jm_,dylanwh: little/big endian is depending on hardware MMU?
09:27<Shinn>quick there a way to logout of root?
09:28<jm_>amol: yes, but some chips are bi-endian
09:30<padski>ppc for example
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09:30<SlayerXP>Shinn: you're clearly not qualified to be logged in as root in the first place
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09:32<padski>Shinn, exit from your shell ?
09:33<padski>Shinn, or my favourite, where it works, 'logout'
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09:36<SlayerXP>shinn: you could "halt" your shell
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09:36<padski>SlayerXP, please don't do that.
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09:42<Shinn>ok thank you for the help
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09:54<zakame>is it right to put the FQDN of a server inside /etc/hostname, so /etc/init.d/ can pick it up at startup?
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09:55<personman>/etc/hostname should be just hostname i believe
09:55<personman>maybe /etc/hosts?
09:56<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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09:56<personman>i just fought with it for hours yesterday
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09:56<zakame>ooh I see
09:57<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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09:58<zakame>how do I set the FQDN right? do I append it to the existing 127.0.01 entry, or should I start a new one specific to my IP?
09:58<personman>i think they recommend like: <ip> <fqdn> <hostname>
09:58<personman>i have just been using ip and hostname
09:59<zakame>yeah that's what I readn in hosts(5)
09:59<personman>you should have one entry for localhost/127 and another for each IP on the machine
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09:59<Kira-Yamato>hi all
10:00<personman>i think...
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10:01<personman>each IP on the network actually, if you aren't using dhcp
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10:03<personman>i'm just gonna spew my best guesses under the assumption that someone will jump in and tell me I don't know wtf I'm talking about and correct me if I'm wrong :b
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10:03<jeisenberg>hi there, working for, who do we have to speak to about dev server donations?
10:04<jeisenberg>(as in free beer :) )
10:04<dpkg>rumour has it, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, ''
10:04<jeisenberg>well... more of a want to rather than *have to* ...
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10:05<personman>is it an internal network? I have been pretty much left the FQDN out of hosts all together and seems to work for me
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10:06<themill>!tell jeisenberg about donate
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10:07<jeisenberg>themill, ty, but looking at Debian Devs specifically...
10:07<themill>jeisenberg: aiui, all donations to debian are handled through SPI
10:08<jeisenberg>kthxbi :)
10:08<dpkg>i guess donations is If you like debian are able to donate, please do so.
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10:13<jeisenberg>themill, cheers
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10:16<jeisenberg>...and ciao
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10:17<win32>what the
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10:20<McAden>Hey, I'm trying to copy some files onto my linux install that I screwed up, but the directory where I deleted the system files from is a link...can anybody tell me where /usr/lib64 points to? (I can't just view it, I'm in windows atm)
10:20<catlee>McAden, /usr/lib
10:21<McAden>thank you
10:21<catlee>McAden, if you want to recreate it, it actually just points to 'lib'
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10:23<McAden>didn't delete the link...deleted the files in lib (retarded mistake, "don't mess with root when you're half-asleep" needs to be added to some of the warnings :P )
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10:30<schlurchz>Can someone please check if "echo -e '\172'" gives "z" with current bash in unstable? Stopped working here.
10:31<schlurchz>It only works with '\0172'
10:31<catlee>yeah, same for me
10:31<schlurchz>looks like a bug
10:32<padski>McAden. see <unix lessons> no.11
10:32<schlurchz>breaks my PROMPT_COMMAND :-(
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10:33<schlurchz>k, I'll file a bug then.
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10:34<drachio>and bye
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11:00<BoGdaN>how set port forward
11:00<dpkg>i heard netfilter is what has replaced ipchains in the >2.3.15 and 2.4.x kernels or at , or also known as iptables (apt-get install iptables), or at and
11:01<Gekz>padski: thats old
11:01<dpkg>it has been said that iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at or it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables ( for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read
11:01<padski>Gekz, so fix it then ! ;-)
11:01<Gekz>this is worse
11:01<dpkg>i heard ipchains is a rewrite of the Linux IPv4 firewalling code (which was mainly borrowed from BSD) and a rewrite of ipfwadm, which was a rewrite of BSD's ipfw, I believe. It is required to administer the IP packet filters in Linux kernel versions 2.1.102 and above. or Which is surpassed in kernel 2.3 (and 2.4 when released) by netfilter, which you can get and compile at, or a regular in the channel
11:02<padski>dpkg, netfilter is see iptables
11:02<dpkg>...but netfilter is already something else...
11:02<catlee>oh boy
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11:02<Gekz>dpkg, forget netfilter
11:02<dpkg>Gekz: i forgot netfilter
11:02<BoGdaN>man i have 2 pc one linux and one windows and on linux have ip extern and on windows have how can work when tipe to go ??
11:02<Gekz>dpkg, netfilter is see iptables
11:02<dpkg>Gekz: okay
11:03<dpkg>i heard iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at or it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables ( for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read
11:03<dpkg>from memory, netfilter is see iptables
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11:03<padski>Gekz, thanks
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11:04<Gekz>dpkg: forget ipchains
11:04<dpkg>Gekz: cannot alter locked factoids
11:04<Gekz>oh ghey.
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11:05<BoGdaN>Gekz resolv my problem ?
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11:07<Gekz>BoGdaN: set it to forward there in your router
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11:08<mysupper>hello guys
11:09<BoGdaN>i don`t have router
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11:09<BoGdaN>i have one ip static on linux
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11:10<mysupper>BoGdaN check package arno-iptables-firewall
11:10<mysupper>BoGdaN that packages is designed for NAT.
11:10<mysupper>very easy to use.
11:11<BoGdaN>mysupper i have nat
11:11<Gekz>erm, ignore that
11:11<BoGdaN>but i don`t have ip forword on windows
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11:12<themill>dpkg: no, netfilter is <reply> see iptables
11:12<dpkg>okay, themill
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11:12<themill>Gekz: ^^ put the <reply> in to get it to spit out the referred to factoid not just say "see blah".
11:13<dpkg>[iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at or it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables ( for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read
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11:13<padski>themill, thanks
11:13<themill>no worries :)
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11:30<aabasi>hi everybody
11:30<aabasi>anybody here
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11:38<shivraj>does nvidia have open source drivers ?
11:39<cahoot>not unless you mean nv in xorg
11:40<dylanwh>it's getting better. :)
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11:41<shivraj>Gnome uses more resources but its a better experience
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11:42<padski>shivraj, I don't know how you can even begin to compare GNOME to my beloved twm ;-)
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11:48<personman>i love gnome...BUT...I think the simplicity idea is going a bit too far... I think most well-thought-out applications tend to offer a basic functionality that is friendly to the user, but have advanced options only menu click or so away...
11:48<personman>if i want to sacrifice choice for ease of use, i'll go back to winblows
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11:48<personman>that said, everytime i try kde, i find myself back at it, and I don't have anything against it, use it all the time on several machines
11:49<personman>back at gnome i mean
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11:50<personman>it's sort of odd to think someone can handle shrinking a windows partition and installing linux on it, but they will crap their brains out if there are advanced options under a GUI menu
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11:50<personman>i'll shut up now...
11:51<RobInMontreal>Hello all, i am new to IRC, believe it or not, so excuse me if i do anything wrong....... i have a Debian(Etch) networking question, is this the correct place to ask it?
11:51<personman>sure, go ahead
11:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
11:51<personman>welcome to IRC and debian and all that :b
11:51<amphi>personman: I find a plain WM better than a DE
11:53<RobInMontreal>Thanks to personman and all, ok here i go...... i have a system up and running, i have 2 nics in it, one as eth0 running a private 192 subnet on it and another nic eth1 running public ips on it..... i also have eth1:0 wiht a public ip on it.... since i added this private ip on eth0 i get stuff liek this in the logs martian source xx.xx.xx.150 from, on dev eth1 does indicate...
11:53<RobInMontreal> erro rof sorts?
11:54<RobInMontreal>my eth0 is connected to a switch which has a vlan of only 2 boxes
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11:56<RobInMontreal>Is ther a rule of thumb as to which eth should have the private IP?
11:56<padski>personman, I use the vetertical maximise mouse click a lot. I last about 30 seconds in GNOME, which is about long enough to notice that the arrangement of the bar up the top looks wrong and is a pathetic immitation of a mac.
11:56<less>No RobInMontreal, but have you verified the routing tables?
11:56<personman>the first thing i do is move the bar to the bottom
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11:57<less>And do you do NAT?
11:57<RobInMontreal>i do not do NAT
11:57<less>Can you traceroute anything out there from a host in the 192.168.* subnet?
11:58<less>You don't do NAT? Then maybe I don't understand your problem good enough...
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11:58<RobInMontreal>i have 2 servers with 2 nics, i do DRBD between the 2 of them i use one nic(subnet) for replication and the other for public access to the services on these servers
11:58<RobInMontreal>there are only 2 servers on this 192 subnet
11:58<RobInMontreal>only used for this one purpose
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11:59<less>It should not matter which eth has the private and which the public IP addresses.
12:00<less>So the problem must be elsewhere.
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12:00<RobInMontreal>Where should i look next?
12:01<Stephan>/msg dpkg etch->lenny
12:01<RobInMontreal>ALso if ti matters some o fthe martian sources are from IPs that do not exist , as i only use 2 IPs .149 and .151 but i see stuff from .7 and so on..
12:01<less>Well, actually I do not understand what the problem is, exactly.
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12:02<RobInMontreal>Well i am not sure it is a problem per say, are these hundreds of message i see mean anything is wrong? martian source xx.xx.xx.150 from, on dev eth1 i see hundreds of these in dmesg
12:03<RobInMontreal>Do these message mean i am loosing packets? or there i sa routing issues?
12:03<less>If your problem is only that you see disturbing error messages, than my personal opinion is that it's not a very serious problem.
12:04<less>If you want to troubleshoot the network, try ping -f and see how that goes.
12:04<RobInMontreal>Oh, ok, i just want to make sure that nothing more serious is at the heart of these messages.
12:04<less>TNX petemc. ;-)
12:04<Stephan>I've a problem with Evolution and Epiphany which appeared shortly after upgrading from stable to testing, can anyone help?
12:05<less>Try if Google knows anything about it, RobInMontreal.
12:05<RobInMontreal>Thanks for your time less, i appreciate it.. ok i will try it.. have a great day to all...
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12:07<Stephan>Thanks anyway!
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12:09<Skrat>why are there less users on the official channel than unofficial ones? O.o
12:09<less>Wow. I'm not the only one in this world who knows how to spell. ;-)
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12:10<Skrat>less; grammar is everything
12:10<cahoot>you should know they overlap skratzor
12:10<petemc>Skrat: freenode has momentum from when it was the official channel, why does it bother you that different networks have different debian channels?
12:10*less is more
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12:11<Skrat>Lol, hey petemc. Again. :P
12:11<less>What is an official channel, and what is an unofficial one?
12:12<petemc>this is official, others arent
12:12<Skrat>An official channel is one made by the creators of the thing which the channel is about. :-P
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12:12<Skrat>And would often be mentioned on the site.
12:12<Skrat>Hell if I saw it
12:12*less is just happy to be on the right channel
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12:13<amphi>less: be in both ;)
12:13<Skrat>Be in ALL
12:13<less>So Skrat, there are more people on the unofficial channels?
12:13<Skrat>806 on the freenode unofficial
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12:13<Skrat>362 on this one
12:14<Skrat>(The official)
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12:14<less>I find 362 to be way too much already. ;-)
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12:14<amphi>it's just anarchy
12:14<Skrat>less, too much?!
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12:15<less>Skrat: If only 10% of the poulation of this channel would all talk at the same time, noone would ve able to do anything here.
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12:15<padski>less, for a moment there I thought you were talking about your version number ;-)
12:15<less>806 is more than twice as much.
12:16<Skrat>less, true.
12:16<amphi>less: it is indeed
12:16<Skrat>I found that in ubuntu, 1350 users or something
12:16<cahoot>some nicks make for interesting convos
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12:16<less>I like this channel, I think it's just the right mix of expertise and help-seeking.
12:16<less>And the right level of activity of course. ;-)
12:17<shivraj>Skrat : ubuntu sucks ....
12:17<less>I came here for a Debian problem a few days ago, and never left.
12:17<shivraj>Debian is the best there is ....... and ever was and will be
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12:18<less>In the constraints of the Linux world, sure.
12:19<Skrat>shivraj; i know. I was talking from ... long ... long... previous experiences
12:19<Skrat>shivraj; agreed on that point. :D
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12:19<dpkg>hello, zumbi_
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12:20<zumbi_>how do you do X redirection from inside a chroot? i keep getting : _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6011: Name or service not known
12:20<zumbi_>Error: Can't open display: localhost:11.0
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12:21<less>Within a chroot that is going to be difficult.
12:21<Skrat>Within a CHROOT? O.o
12:21<Skrat>Why dont you chroot after?
12:22<less>The socket it needs is created outside the chrooted environment (even if it's only on /tmp).
12:22<zumbi_>maybe i can bind mount /tmp
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12:22<less>Wou;dn't that defeat the purpose of chroot?
12:23<zumbi_>Skrat: i do ssh -X mhine; c sudo chroot rootfs; xeyes
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12:23<less>Like, you're chrooted but you can do anything in the real /tmp that you want?
12:23<Skrat>zumbi_; I dont bother X forwarding
12:23<Skrat>SSH > all
12:23<zumbi_>less: the purpose of that chroot is to try out stuff without breaking my installation (just personal use)
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12:24<Skrat>Is it nessecary?
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12:24<zumbi_>Skrat: i personally dont understand very well what you are saying
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12:24<Skrat>Do you need to chroot? Or is it just for testing?
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12:25<zumbi_>i need to chroot, as it is another arch running in the chroot
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12:25<Skrat>I'm confused; so im going to stop to try and help, in case i muck you up. xP
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12:27<zumbi_>less: i bind mount /tmp but it does the same error
12:27<less>In that case, I don't think I can be of help.
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12:27<less>Seeing as I don't really understand it.
12:27<Skrat>You could make a tmp folder in the folder you are chrooting into
12:27<Skrat>then try to do the X forwarding
12:29<zumbi_>Skrat: I tried that
12:29<Skrat>You made the "tmp" folder?
12:29<zumbi_>anyway, i should go to the store and get a keyboard
12:29<zumbi_>Skrat: i mount /tmp
12:29<Skrat>zumbi_; i dont think you need to
12:29<zumbi_>Skrat: i bind mount /tmp into my chroot
12:29<less>A keyboard is a handy thing to have around. ;-)
12:29<Skrat>Say you were chrooting into "folder"
12:30<Skrat>mkdir folder/tmp
12:30<Skrat>then chroot folder
12:30<Skrat>then do the x forwarding
12:30<Skrat>Well, i would try that.
12:30<zumbi_>Skrat: i need an usb keyboard to attach to the system i'm loggin to thru ssh, so i do not need to do X forwarding
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12:30<Skrat>You could always set up remote login instead
12:30<Skrat>Then login from the computer you're using now
12:31<Skrat>But one keyboard per computer is always a good ratio. :P - Go get yer keyboard, if you need one
12:31<zumbi_>i do not have much idea how to set up remote login
12:32<Skrat>Neither do i. XD
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12:32<zumbi_>anyway X forwading works fine outside the chroot
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12:40<zoe>Hi guys, how do i get help about here? Im installing Debian on my laptop. got some errors!! The select and install software section is not completing.
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12:41<Skrat>zoe, what is it saying?
12:41<less>If english is no problem, just ask your questions Messieurs.
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12:42<zoe>It says the instalation step "select and install software has failed" this is due to automatic printer config. Then i tried it again it said Fonts config failed!
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12:44<personman>MythTV is pretty cool, is this what people's living rooms will look like in 10-15 years?
12:44<RobInMontreal>Hey less, you still here it's me again...
12:44<zoe>I have installed linux on a dif laptop. It worked fine. But with this laptop, which is quite simular to the other, it is not. I am doing a net install.
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12:45*less is still here
12:45<Skrat>zoe, what is it saying thats going wrong
12:45<Skrat>When you get an error
12:45<Skrat>what does it say
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12:46<NetVip3r>hey guys, in the 'etch' netintall cd, has the ide=nodma parameter been removed or replaced? anyone know how to pass nodma now?
12:46<dogood>hi everybody!
12:46<RobInMontreal>after some further investigation on my martian source thingy, i found out the the source of the odd packet is from my .145 which is my gateway...
12:47<less>Remind me, what was odd about that packet?
12:47<Skrat>RobInMontreal; perhaps you are being ARPSpoofed
12:47<zoe>Skrat it says "select and install software step failed" due to an automatic printer configuration.
12:47<Skrat>Did you choose to install some printer drivers?
12:47<RobInMontreal>I was getting via dmesg "martian source xx.xx.xx.150 from, on dev eth1" i think this is a port on a switch at my datacenter.... so i guess i should ask them?
12:47<Skrat>Or something related to printers?
12:48<Skrat>RobInMontreal; wouldn't hurt
12:48<RobInMontreal>What is ARPSpoofed?
12:48<RobInMontreal>sorry for not knowing
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12:48<dogood>I have to install mplayer on a sarge stable server. I added deb stable main contrib non-free in my sources.list, but libc6 is to be upgraded, and it seems to be dangerous. Is there a way to install this software without upgrading libc6? thanks
12:48<Skrat>Someone stealing your traffic, and routing it through their computer
12:48<zoe>no i chose, desktop enviroment, laptop and standard system packages.... maybe the packege is automaticaly included?
12:48<Skrat>To see what you are doing on the internet
12:48<Skrat>zoe, perhaps. :S
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12:49<Skrat>zoe, choose the packages manually
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12:49<Skrat>RobInMontreal; ARPSpoofing can sometimes result in dodgy uninvited packets, which is a sign of people stealing your traffic. Thats all I meant by it
12:49<RobInMontreal>HHmmmm.. sounds not nice.... ok i shall make a ticket to my provider then.... thanks Skrat, for the help
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12:50<Skrat>zoe, is there a manual option? I don't remember from when i installed mine.
12:50<RobInMontreal>Right, i will make a ticket for it,, thanks and have a great day!
12:50<zoe>No suprisingly but that would be perfect....?
12:50<Skrat>yw, RobInMontreal
12:50<Skrat>zoe, I'm afraid i don't know whats going wrong
12:51<Skrat>Try googling "debian install error printer configuration" or something
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12:52<zoe>Damn, well i installed the base system no errors. startx does not work.... but am apt-getting gnome as we speak, sound good? can i apt get "X"
12:52<zoe>i need the command startx so how do i get it?
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12:52<pengol>hi there: what are filesystem doors?
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12:54<chealer>zoe: install the xorg package
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12:55<zoe>Like "apt-get install xorg" ?
12:55<kjetil_>zoe: there is a pseudopackage called x-window-system which should fecth everything you need
12:55<Neptun651>yo everybody how are you ?
12:55<zoe>x-window-system or xorg ? what u think?
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12:56<gsimmons>dogood: That's due to stable == etch (sarge is oldstable). Either upgrade to etch (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) to provide this package, or google for (old) mplayer packages previously built for sarge.
12:57<chealer>kjetil_: yes
12:57<chealer>kjetil_: sorry
12:57<chealer>zoe: yes
12:57<chealer>zoe: xorg
12:57<zoe>so xorg is better than x-window system?
12:58<Skrat>Whats the difference, chealer?
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12:58<chealer>zoe: they're equivalent. x-window-system is an alias
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12:59<zoe>ok thanks ill try that. Cheers guys.
12:59<zoe>or gals sorry
12:59<Skrat>guys is an ambiguous term for everyone. It's fine. :-)
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13:01<padski>tell me about mini.iso
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13:01<dogood>gsimmons: yes, I googled for old mplayer packages, couldn't find any. Could you explain the dpkg sarge->etch line you gave? thnks
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13:02<gsimmons>!tell dogood -about sarge->etch
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13:04<dogood>gsimmons: excuse me for I'm not an dbian expert! Can't understand your answer. thanks
13:05<gsimmons>dogood: What exactly did you not understand? Did you receive a private message from dpkg?
13:06<dogood>yes I received it, excude me not used to irc :)
13:06<umbra>i am having trouble with my apt-get- when i run it always ends with "W
13:06<umbra>one sec
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13:07<umbra>couldn't stat source package list http
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13:08<umbra>:http// etch/main packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/wine.budgetdedicated/com_apt_dists_etch_binary-powerpc_packages) - stat (2 no such file or directory
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13:09<umbra>those put together
13:09<umbra>i tried to install wine at one point
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13:09<umbra>but couldnt because of my processor
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13:09<umbra>but now i get this everytime i try to use apt-get
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13:10<Skrat>Get someone to send you a hosts file.
13:10<Skrat>Packages/hosts/ports whatever
13:10<umbra>a hosts file?
13:10<Skrat>The places apt-get reads the hosts it gets its packages from
13:10<Skrat>Help me out people. I'm not running linux atm
13:11<cahoot>thinking of sources.list?
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13:11<Skrat>cahooot, yes, yes i am
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13:11<Skrat>I think he has a few invalid entries. IT wouldnt hurt to replace it anyway
13:11<Skrat>unless you have some secret needed servers you need in that file
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13:12<umbra>i think replacing it would be fine
13:12<umbra>how do i do that?
13:12<Skrat>Well, i suggest asking someone to send you theirs
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13:12<Skrat>then overwrite YOUR sources.list with THEIR sources.list
13:12<umbra>what is the exact file path?
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13:12<Skrat>/etc/sources.list, i believe
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13:13<umbra>ok thanks
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13:16<umbra>is there anyway to edit that file?
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13:16<cahoot>yes with your editor of choice
13:17<umbra>i dont see anything that i would want to edit out though
13:17<Skrat>su -c "gedit /etc/sources.plist"
13:17<Skrat>Should be
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13:18<umbra>the apt howto looks good cahoot
13:18<umbra>i will look into that
13:18<umbra>thanks a lot
13:18<cahoot>good idea
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13:26<umbra>sorry i am pretty new to linux
13:26<umbra>how do i edit and save the sources.list?
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13:26<personman>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
13:27<personman>ctrl-x, y
13:27<Skrat>umbra; nano is command line
13:27<Skrat>If you wanna use a text editor
13:27<Skrat>do: su -c "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
13:27<umbra>ill see how that goes
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13:28<zoe>hi guys, i have just done a new install of debian, and what i thought to be my username and/or passwrords are not loging me in. any sugestions?
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13:31<umbra>ok this is looking good
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13:34<BoGdaN>Chain FORWARD (policy DROP)
13:34<BoGdaN>how change it
13:34<BoGdaN>to ACCEPT ?
13:35<Skrat>Slow down, and explain what you're asking
13:35<BoGdaN>in iptables
13:35<BoGdaN>how change chain forward to accept
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13:36<Skrat>Copy the rule, make a new rule, paste it, but change the forward to accept
13:36<Skrat>Then delete the other one
13:36<Skrat>I rekon
13:36<BoGdaN>man look
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13:37<BoGdaN>Chain FORWARD (policy DROP)
13:37<BoGdaN>target prot opt source destination
13:37<BoGdaN>ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere tcp dpt:8000
13:37<BoGdaN>but don`t work
13:38<aptituz>you want to change the default policy of change forward?
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13:38<aptituz>how did you set it to DROP?
13:38<BoGdaN>i don`t know
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13:39<amphi>BoGdaN: iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
13:39<aptituz>well iptables -P FORWARD DROP would have been the call to make the default policy drop
13:39<aptituz>they same way it goes for accept, see what amphi wrote
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13:42<terry-sg>Could someone please help me finding OpenGL libraries? I can't find some of them such as lXmu or lXi, i need them to compile OpenGL code...
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13:43<terry-sg>I don't know if my problem is a lack of libraries, or if it has something to do with my nvidia card, but I already installed Nvidia Drivers...
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13:43<phillipsjk>Opengl is a trademark.
13:43<umbra>ok it is still not fixed
13:43<dpkg>opengl is, like, (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa
13:43<amphi>terry-sg: libxi6 and libxmu6 (on testing), looks like - they're X libs
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13:44<umbra>i get this message when i apt-get update preceded by what it should be doing
13:44<kjetil_>terry-sg: install mesa
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13:44<umbra>Failed to fetch Unable to find expected entry main/binary-powerpc/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
13:44<umbra>Reading package lists... Done
13:44<umbra>W: Couldn't stat source package list etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/wine.budgetdedicated.com_apt_dists_etch_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
13:44<umbra>W: Couldn't stat source package list etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/wine.budgetdedicated.com_apt_dists_etch_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
13:44<umbra>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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13:45<umbra>i did not realize it would take up that much space
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13:45<amphi>terry-sg: do apt-cache search libXi and apt-cache search libXmu; you will also need the corresponding -dev packages
13:45<Skrat>Normally, any pastes over 2 lines should go to a paste site
13:45<Skrat>Just for future reference. ;-)
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13:45<D4rky>hello anyone here ?
13:45<lente>i wrote a script which can be run under root priviledges and integrated it into /etc/init.d/rc.local. but at startup it justs says permission denied
13:45<umbra>a paste site?
13:46<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
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13:46<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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13:47<umbra>i got that now
13:47<D4rky>hello... i have an debian server and a pc with windows who get`s internet from the debian,... i want to make a shoutcast server on windows but the port doesn`t open on internet ... what should i do ?
13:48<umbra>is what i get now when i try to apt-get update
13:48<phillipsjk>hey, can wee get dpkg kicked for flooding? (evil grin)
13:48<umbra>i just got kicked because i pasted like 20 lines in
13:48<phillipsjk>umbradpkg is a bot.
13:49<umbra>and i think it kicks you if you paste too much
13:49<umbra>via a script
13:50<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
13:50<Skrat>Wont let you
13:50<Skrat>There's a two second limit
13:50<Skrat>Or something
13:50<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
13:50<dpkg>methinks stuff is the useless crap repository that needs adding to at
13:50<lente>i wrote a script which can be run under root priviledges and integrated it into /etc/init.d/rc.local. but at startup it justs says permission denied
13:50<umbra>do you have to to that?
13:50<BoGdaN>i have an debian server and a pc with windows who get`s internet from the debian,... i want to make a shoutcast server on windows but the port doesn`t open on internet ... what should i do ?
13:51<BoGdaN>how resolv it ?
13:51<Skrat>BoGdaN; I'm afraid I know nothing of internet sharing with Windows machines
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13:52<umbra>skrat can you take a look at my paste?
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13:54<Skrat>Have you run apt-get update
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13:54<umbra>apt-get update in the command that gave me this
13:54<umbra>it did some normal updateing stuff
13:54<umbra>and ended with this
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13:55<Skrat>What did it end with?
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13:56<umbra>well it had a bunch of updating lines
13:56<Skrat>Then what?
13:56<umbra>a lot of them beginning with ign http
13:56<umbra>then a fetched line
13:56<umbra>then my paste
13:56<Skrat>Thats good
13:57<Skrat>Oh. :S
13:57<Skrat>I'm pretty sure thats not a problem.
13:57<Skrat>It's just some outdated sources in your list
13:57<Skrat>It's cool
13:57<umbra>so do i ignor it?
13:57<Skrat>It should be fine to ignore it
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13:58<umbra>does debian come with python installed?
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13:59<Skrat>You can just do: apt-get install python
13:59<Skrat>If you're not sure. :)
13:59<umbra>i did
13:59<umbra>that makes much more sence
13:59<umbra>thanks a lot
13:59<umbra>i will just ignore that thing
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14:01<umbra>ok one more thing if it is simple if it is not then i will google it and find a tutorial
14:01<Skrat>What is it?
14:01<umbra>is there a really simple way to get my sound card working?
14:01<PetaWindows>turn speakers on :D
14:01<cahoot>depends on the card
14:02<Skrat>PetaWindows; I lol'd
14:02<cahoot>umbra: run spesaker-test in a terminal - sound or error?
14:02<cahoot>umbra: speaker-test
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14:02<umbra>one sec
14:03<NetVip3r>hey guys. i got a question maybe someone can help with
14:04<NetVip3r>Ilet me know if I can ask or if I'm stepping over someone
14:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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14:04<umbra>this does not look good
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14:05<BoGdaN>i have an debian server and a pc with windows who get`s internet from the debian,... i want to make a shoutcast server on windows but the port doesn`t open on internet ... what should i do ?
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14:05<cahoot>no idea - sorry
14:05<Skrat>cahoot, but lol, if you type all that, you get kicked for flooding. XD
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14:05<Skrat>BoGdaN; i suggest asking in #windows, on another server. It's most probably windows fault.
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14:05<BoGdaN>no windows is problem
14:05<Skrat>Windows is the root of all evil
14:06<BoGdaN>ip forward
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14:06<umbra>ok when i enter speaker-test it gives me a lot of output
14:06<NetVip3r>hehe ok ok.. I'm trying to install on an older notebook, but need to pass nodma to the kernel, has the parameter changed? or not working?
14:06<BoGdaN>how set ip forward and port forward in linux
14:06<umbra>like 5 pages of likes starting with alsa lib
14:06<Skrat>something about that
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14:06<Shinn>anyone here work with mysql?
14:06<Skrat>BoGdaN; i saw that question being answered on the internet somewhere
14:06<Skrat>I suggest you googe
14:07<lente>why is it possible to run startx xterm -e mplayer /path and not startx mplayer /path
14:07<Skrat>Because of you
14:07<the-dude>Shinn: yes
14:07<lente>i dont think thats right
14:07<Shinn>the-dude: I have a problem when I click mysql admin..I can connect without password
14:07<Shinn>where do I setup the pass?
14:07<umbra>ok guys i will google about the sound card- thanks for all the help
14:08<NetVip3r>yea, passing ide=nodma has no effect, which is why i was asking if anyone knew anything about it
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14:08<cahoot>NetVip3r: kernel-parameters.txt still lists that option
14:09<Shinn>got it, thanks mate =)
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14:10<the-dude>no worries mate :)
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14:10<NetVip3r>is there any other parameter that may have the same effect as ide=nodma?
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14:12<Skrat>NetVip3r; I presume you have googled it, yes?
14:13<lente>why is it possible to run startx xterm -e mplayer /path and not startx mplayer /path
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14:15<Shinn>I have an issue
14:16<Skrat>omg, whut?!
14:16<Shinn>when I go /home/myname# mysql -u root mysql
14:16<Shinn>it says no such directory
14:16<the-dude>if you type " mysql -u root mysql "
14:17<dpkg>methinks freshmeat is at, or _the_ place to search for whatever piece of software you know of/have heard of/dreamt of ...
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14:17<the-dude>Shinn: see if you have a client with dpkg --get-selections|grep mysql-client
14:17<sysop2>I need some help with a regex. can anyone give me a grep regex to find any line with a number higher than 2 surronded by <> as in <3>
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14:18<Shinn>if I type that it says "ERROR 2002 (HY000) : can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)
14:18<PetaWindows>umbra: what's happening??
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14:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:28<umbra>ok im back
14:28<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
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14:28<umbra>that is hilarious
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14:28<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
14:28<umbra>oh wow
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14:29*less is more
14:29<cahoot>grows old after the first 10 or so times
14:29<umbra>but when youare not expecting it is
14:30<umbra>and havent seen it beofre
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14:31<the-dude>Shinn: is it running? check with netstat -tan|grep 3306
14:31<less>cahoot, I'm still on a single-digit number. ;-)
14:32<umbra>i love apt-get
14:32<cahoot>less: run it as /msg a few times ;)
14:32<less>apt-get is great.
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14:32<less>cahoot: I'll consider it. ;-)
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14:34<andrzej>is it chanel for newbe as well?
14:34<lente>why is it possible to run startx /usr/bin/xterm -e /usr/bin/mplayer /path and not startx /usr/bin/mplayer /path
14:35<cahoot>andrzej: yes
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14:35<NetVip3r>anyone know if there's anywhere still that I can download sarge?
14:35<andrzej>that's god couse i am newbe :-)
14:36<umbra>i am too and this chat is really helpful and has smome nice people
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14:37<andrzej>i am totaly new
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14:37<cahoot>NetVip3r: here?
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14:38<andrzej>when i become a bit not such newbe i will kick out MS windows
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14:39<umbra>that makes me happy that i got irssi to work
14:39<less>andrzej, that is good.ut if you need some help with Debian, you better just state your problem. ;-)
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14:40<cahoot>that's a negative approach - expecting problems? huh
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14:41<less>He joins a support channel and asks if newbees are welcome.
14:41*less rests his case ;-)
14:41<ppikula>hi, is there any difference between kernel from and sources from debian repo ?
14:41<azeem>ppikula: yes
14:42<ppikula>what, patches ?
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14:42<azeem>ppikula: also some stuff Debian thinks is undistributable (like some Firmware) got removed I think
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14:43<Skrat>So, yeah, back
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14:43<ppikula>so it s better to download from ?
14:44<valdyn>debian doesnt strip firmwares anymore afaik
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14:44*Skrat interrupts into the conversation
14:44<Skrat>ppikula; better than what?
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14:45<ppikula>than compilning debian s kernel sources
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14:45<less>Better to follow the Debian way and download the firmware seperately, if necessary.
14:45<valdyn>ppikula: why compile?
14:45<valdyn>ppikula: because its "cool" ?
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14:46<ppikula>ok , thx
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14:47<chealer>NetVip3r: at least one person knows
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14:48<Skrat>Is there much point upgrading to the latest kernel?
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14:48<valdyn>Skrat: if you have to ask, no
14:48<umbra>why do they continue making new kernels then?
14:48<Skrat>valdyn; when is it useful to do so then?
14:48<Skrat>WHat umbra said. >_<
14:49<valdyn>Skrat: read the changelog
14:49<valdyn>Skrat: has it
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14:49<less>You upgrade when the newer version offers feautures that you need.
14:49<the-dude>debian removes anything what doesn't comply with the debian filosophy
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14:49<Skrat>Aww, the logo
14:50<Skrat>The Debian philosophy being "free"
14:50<dpkg>methinks dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at, or
14:50<less>Or when security considerations mandate an upgrade, of course.
14:50<Skrat>Lol kernel 0.001
14:50<umbra>ok i have an older computer and want to put a different desktop enviorment on it
14:51<umbra>which do you think is the best one that goes with debian
14:51<umbra>in terms of speed
14:51<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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14:51<umbra>best for making an old computer run fast
14:52<ppikula>fluxbox ?
14:52<PetaWindows>umbra: How old?
14:52<less>If the older computer is underpowered, don't run Gnome or KDE.
14:52<Skrat>umbra; depends what you want from the server
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14:52<valdyn>define "older"
14:52<umbra>i think 01 or 02
14:52<less>What is the computer going to have to do?
14:52<umbra>an ibook g3
14:52<PetaWindows>umbra: uo.. that's not old :)
14:52<Skrat>Oh, yeah, vulnerabilities
14:52<less>Desktop use, or something else?
14:53<Skrat>Old kernels are vulnerable to vulnerabilities you take for granted being patched
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14:53<Skrat>Then someone goes all old-skool on yo ass and you get vmspliced
14:53<umbra>i want it access the internet, be able to practive basic programming on it
14:53<valdyn>Skrat: theres point releases for that purpose, you dont need an entirely new kernel
14:53<umbra>i want to learn some python
14:53<PetaWindows>umbra: ram?
14:54<umbra>so gnome is running on it now
14:54<valdyn>umbra: gnome should run fine on it, just recent webbrowsers wont
14:54<umbra>but i want to get one that is faster than goem
14:54<PetaWindows>umbra: I think you should use another environment...
14:55<umbra>thats what im asking for
14:55<PetaWindows>umbra: I love fluxbox, but it's too.......
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14:55<PetaWindows>just that
14:55<umbra>as long as i can add programs and stuff
14:55<umbra>as i said i want internet
14:56<umbra>and to learn python and other programming stuff
14:56<umbra>i dont need fancy
14:57<angasule>well, you don't need a GUI to do that
14:57<umbra>ok i want a gui
14:57<umbra>im not comfortable in the terminal yet
14:57<Skrat>Minimalistic, without going to extremes
14:57<Skrat>umbra; try to be
14:57<Skrat>Install SSH
14:57<PetaWindows>umbra: and there is also a web browser very light, I saw it in Damn Small Linux distribution
14:57<angasule>I don't know how powerful a g3 is
14:57<Skrat>a G3 is pretty powerfull
14:58<angasule>PetaWindows: dillo, it's not full featured
14:58<PetaWindows>umbra: but I don't remember its name :S
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14:58<umbra>300 or 500 mhz
14:58<Skrat>You could run Sarge pretty easily, I should think.
14:58<angasule>anyway, there is always WebKit
14:58<PetaWindows>angasule: oh thx
14:58<Skrat>I ran Mac OS X on my old G3 for ages
14:58<angasule>I have a celeron coppermine (like a pentium 3) 500MHz with 32MB
14:58<angasule>it runs WebKit fine
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14:59<less>Anything will run any Linux distro just fine, without a GUI. ;-)
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14:59<Skrat>a DS, for example
14:59<umbra>so than i need a simple gui while i learn the command line
14:59<angasule>well, with 16MB you can run a GUI on linux
14:59<less>I had a 386DX running Slackware Linux for many, many years.
15:00<PetaWindows>less: it's too annoying web browsing without X system.. xD
15:00<less>32MB RAM.
15:00<angasule>umbra: fluxbox will work great
15:00<angasule>less: I run current software on the pc I just said
15:00<Skrat>It takes some getting used to, take note
15:00<angasule>less: the 'current' part is important :)
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15:01<umbra>the domain has expired
15:01<Skrat>What domain?
15:01<less>As if ping and ssh aren't current software. ;-)
15:01<umbra>at fluxbox when i go to download the debian package
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15:01<Skrat>umbra; oh
15:01<angasule>less: I mean I can run MAME, VLC, mplayer, WebKit 4.4, etc
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15:02<umbra>is there anywhere else i can get the package?
15:02<less>angasule: I know what you mean, just making poor jokes. ;-)
15:02<angasule>less: what? :?
15:02*less will shut up now and prepare his dinner
15:03<angasule>less: ah, well, I tend to explain when not needed, old habit, dealing with non-geeks and such :)
15:03*less nods
15:06<umbra>no way
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15:12<simonrvn>/nick more
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15:14<less>/quit less is more
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15:15<less>oops, ww
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15:28<Nazcafan>did I dream or there did use to be a debian package for the flashblock add on ?
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16:13*Skrat ponders wether to reinstall Debian on his server
16:14<Skrat>To get rid of the junk i've put on there by mistake. And the desktop.
16:14<amphi>what's to ponder? ;)
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16:20<Skrat>amphi; meaning you think i should?
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16:20<amphi>I was joking; but if it has junk on it now, why not do yourself the favour?
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16:21<Skrat>It's just I <3 it so. XP
16:21<Skrat>But yeah, whats the best way to install it? netinst, or just dvd install?
16:21<gaba>arghh, im having a problem when trying to update debian in my laptop.
16:21<gaba>Setting up gcc-4.3-base (4.3.0-3) ...
16:21<gaba>ln: accessing `/usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3-base/.changelog.Debian.gz': No such file or directory
16:21<gaba>dpkg: error processing gcc-4.3-base (--configure):
16:21<gaba> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
16:21-!-gaba was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
16:21<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
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16:22<gaba>yes, sorry
16:22<Skrat>Stick it there
16:22<amphi>Skrat: netinst IMHO
16:22<Skrat>Dont apologise, it's just you'll get kicked else
16:22<Skrat>amphi; reasons?
16:22<amphi>Skrat: why d/l stuff you don't want?
16:23<Skrat>amphi; true
16:23<Skrat>But selecting every package you want out of about 3000 will be tiring
16:23<Skrat>300000 even
16:23<amphi>there's tasksel
16:24<amphi>~20,000 I believe
16:24<Skrat>20000 even, then
16:24<Skrat>but what's tasksel/
16:24<amphi>'task selector' - allows you to install 'desktop', 'laptop', 'web server', etc. metapackages
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16:26<Skrat>I want to install just the bare minimum
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16:26<Skrat>Really, the minimum
16:26<Skrat>It's for a server
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16:27<Skrat>So there neednt be X, a wm, or a desktop
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16:27<Skrat>But i dont know how to not-use those
16:28<unop>would anyone know what this means? "ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [c137f798] 'off'
16:28<unop>ACPI: Transitioning device [FAN1] to D3" - I get a slew of these every minute, about 50-60 or so causing the sytem to stall for a few seconds
16:28<Skrat>It's not turning off the fan, it seems
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16:29<unop>yea, odd thing - it's not a laptop, i dont need the fan turning off
16:29<Skrat>Is it a new message?
16:29<simonrvn>Skrat: ok, so i suggest you install a few things to make life easier. w3m, gpm, screen, and vim or emacs
16:29<Skrat>Did you just start getting them? Or did you always get the messages?
16:29<amphi>Skrat: just do a base install, ignore tasksel, and aptitude install what you want
16:29<Skrat>simonrvn; w3m?
16:30<Skrat>amphi; what does a base install give you, though
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16:30<simonrvn>text browser
16:30<unop>new, well, i upgraded to lenny yesterday and that's when it started -- i even reinstalled etch and upgraded to lenny again, same thing - so it's something specific to a new acpi module/kernel
16:30<amphi>a shell, shell utils, package management stuff
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16:33<unop>Skrat, i've been googling, seems it's something to do with the newer kernels, >2.6.18 - lot of people experiencing the problem but there appear to be no definite fixes - just wondering if someone in here experienced this and what they did about it.
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16:34<kurumin>fala portugues
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16:36<unop>kurumin, maybe #debian-br on freenode ?
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16:37<simonrvn>kurumin keeps doing this *ALL THE TIME*. ignore him
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16:59<tj_>can i make "top" display all prcesses live? or another command?
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17:06<chealer>tj_: you mean a console program?
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17:07<tj_>yes.. i am watching "top" right now... just seems like at idel... i am jumping up high in cpu usage... and i would like the most from the battery
17:08<tj_>it will idle around 5-10 % but at install it idled down to 0-3
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17:09<tj_>irc is pulling around 1.5
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17:09<tj_>but sometimes it will jump to 50-100 for short burst
17:09<tj_>just doesnt seem very clean
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17:12*mstevens waves
17:12<HaMMiE>hola wenas sirderigo
17:12<sirderigo>hablan español!!!!!!!!!!
17:13<sirderigo>como arriba todo esta en ingles pense que era un canal en ingles
17:13<sirderigo>que bien
17:13<sirderigo>alguien aqui tiene una acelaradora intel 945?
17:13<E0x>this is english channel
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17:13<E0x>for spanish please #debian-es
17:14<tj_>thanx E0x
17:14<sirderigo>im sorry
17:14<sirderigo>i can speak english too
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17:14<tj_>carry on then sirderigo
17:14<sirderigo>do you speak spanish hammie
17:15<HaMMiE>yes i can speak spanish for you
17:15<HaMMiE>it's my mother language
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17:15<HaMMiE>but if you need to talk you in english
17:15<sirderigo>but i think what is forbidden in this channel
17:15<HaMMiE>i talk to you in english
17:16<sirderigo>somebody have a intel 945?
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17:18<jcthompson1114>Hello, i cant seem to find a way to connect to the internet wirelessly after just installing debian for the first time. i have an acer aspire 3623 and i dont know what to do
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17:21<tj_>jct, what kind of wireless card is it?
17:22<jcthompson1114>atheros, somthing or another let me look it up
17:22<tj_>lspci in console
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17:23<jcthompson1114>06:05.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC (rev 01)
17:23<tj_>sorry... not for this room
17:24<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @ No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
17:24<chealer>sirderigo: yes
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17:32<Skrat>Well, good night, people
17:32<Skrat>HAve fun. ;-)
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17:40<jcthompson1114>what do i do to get permissions to edit sources.list
17:40<weasel>su -
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17:43<sas67>hi ll
17:44<sas67>easy one for you tonight
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17:44<sas67>how do i remove a user from a debian server
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17:46<kop>I recently bought an edgeport rs232 to usb converter because it seemed they have good linux support. Sadly, the usb device id (the usb "minor number", what's the right word?) is not in drivers/usb/serial/io_usbvend.h in etch. I looked at and it is in the latest kernel. What's the right way to proceed to get this device to work? If I put a new kernel in will I have to mess with udev as well? I'm sure there's a bunch of hard ways to do it, my goal
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17:46<kop>sas67: "userdel -r foo" is probably what you want. Better rtfm.
17:47<kop>sas67: That's assuming you've not given them accounts in ldap, or databases, etc.
17:47<sas67>ah it hink in get ya
17:47<sas67>they get database account
17:48<sas67>we got seedbox with debian
17:48<kop>sas67: They have a unix account? (/etc/passwd)
17:48<dpkg>rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
17:48<sas67>thought thats what it meant
17:48<weasel>why did you ask then? :)
17:49<sas67>occured to me l8r
17:49<sas67>sorry yes kop
17:49<kop>sas67: Thing is, you'll be a lot better off understanding what your commands do. Otherwise bad goofs can happen, especially when you start deleting. No need to apologize.
17:51<sas67>good point kop,but this is a matter of some urgency
17:51<kop>sas67 userdel gets rid of the Unix account (and optionally home directory). You'll need to do other things to remove database access.
17:52<sas67>so for instance userdel sas67 would remove my unix account?
17:52<themill>kop: there are newer kernels for etch on or in the upcoming etchnhalf release. 2.6.22 is on bpo, 2.6.24 in etchnhalf. /msg dpkg bpo /msg dpkg etchnhalf
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17:53<kop>sas67: do a "vipw foo" and change the user's hashed password to "x" in /etc/shadow first thing. Or just change the shell to /usr/sbin/nologin. Although you might want do make your changes all at once so as not to raise an alert.
17:53<sas67>how you lads remeber all this code astounds me
17:54<themill>sas67: you can also "passwd -l username" to lock the account.
17:54<kop>sas67: It's because we could have learned a lot of this stuff back in 1972. If you stick with the command line then things don't change out from under you. Nobody knows how to do a good gui and they keep changing.
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17:54<weasel>guis get worse all the time
17:55<kop>sas67: yes. and if you add -r to your userdel you erase the home directory from disk.
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17:56<kop>themill : Thanks. That seems like a reasonable approach.
17:57<sas67>userdel - r sas67
17:57<sas67>like that?
17:57<kop>themill: I always forget about password -l.
17:57<sas67><themill> sas67: you can also "passwd -l username" to lock the account
17:57<sas67>did that and it said psswd changed
17:57<kop>sas67 : No space between the - and the r.
17:58<kop>sas67 : you might want not do the userdel. The user is now locked out.
17:58<sas67>thats what we want
17:58<themill>sas67: it locks the account by "changing" the password to something that can never be matched.
17:58<themill>sas67: does the user have ssh access to the machine?
17:58<sas67>to ssh
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17:59<themill>sas67: check to see if there are ~/.ssh/authorised_keys too.
17:59<kop>sas67: Once the user is locked out then you can still look around if you do't do the -r stuff.
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17:59<themill>kop: yeah,... the backported kernels are set up to work with etch so there should be fewer nasty surprises from them.
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18:00<sas67>i did cd /.ssh/authorised_keys
18:00<sas67>is that right
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18:01<sas67>im a noob btw,or hadnt you noticed
18:02<sas67>says no file or directory
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18:05<weasel>no, it's not.
18:05<weasel>and on top of that it's misspelllt
18:05<sas67>go on then
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18:05<themill>gah... bloody yanks
18:06<sas67>i dont mind em
18:06<sas67>ok weasel,show me the light
18:06<themill>sas67: If it exists, it is in the .ssh directory with the user's home directory. So it would be: cd ~username/.ssh
18:06<sas67>i copy/paste
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18:06<themill>(replacing username with this user's username)
18:06<sas67>kk themill
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18:08<sas67>still saying no file or dir
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18:10<themill>sas67: that's a good sign.
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18:12<sas67>yes was wondering if he had setup a back door
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18:16<santa11>i am a troll
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18:16<azeem>santa11: not a very successful one, though it seems
18:17<santa11>I like to shove my cock deep inside pre sixteen year old girls... forcefullly ...
18:17<santa11>old enough 2 bleed
18:17<santa11>old enough 2 seed
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18:18<azeem>that doesn't even rhyme
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18:18<santa11>wasnt supposed to be a rhyme faggot
18:18<azeem>I thought it was copied from some gangsta-rappa
18:19<azeem>sounded like Vanilla Ice
18:19<santa11>nah i hate niggers
18:19<HaMMiE>santa11: racist
18:19-!-mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ
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18:19<azeem>santa11: Vanilla Ice is a white guy,
18:20<sas67>wow you get allsorts in here
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18:20<themill>You could set your watch by that guy.
18:20<sas67>he should get out more
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18:20<sas67>btw thanx themill for your help
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18:20<sas67>and thanx to kop also
18:20<themill>sas67: no worries
18:21<amphi>sas67: self-imposed confinement seems good, for such as he
18:21*Maulkin sighs
18:21<sas67>yeah your probably right
18:21<@Ganneff>azeem: careful feeding the troll - or you might "accidently" meeting him outside. it *does* not help feeding such guys. not at all. thanks.
18:21<azeem>Ganneff: please drop +o if you don't need it
18:23<HaMMiE>good night to all
18:23<masterloki>Hi there, I've just compiles 2.6.25 from source the debian way, Everything smooth except ndiswrapper & Nvidia
18:23<HaMMiE>i go to my bedroom to dream
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18:24<sas67>me too hammie
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18:24<sas67>night chaps
18:24<masterloki>as for Ndiswrapper I've already solve it, but for the nvidia driver I havent found enough information
18:24<sas67>and thanx once again
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18:24<sas67>wow,i never mentioned football to kop once
18:24<sas67>*laughs his ass off*
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18:24<masterloki>there are some patches but they seems to be for 64 bits, does anyone knows hove to solve it
18:24*Maulkin gently reminds people to pop back on topic.
18:25<sas67>soory Maulkin
18:26<sas67>night all
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18:36<witte>hello, anyone knows if there is something different with the treatment of .bashrc in the new bash on sid?
18:37<witte>it does not seem to read this file anymore, when I do "source .bashrc", it still does not load, but when I paste the file in the terminal, everything works just fine...
18:38<witte>I checked the changelog and the BTS, but I did not see anything that was related (maybe I overlooked). The .bashrc worked before last upgrade
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18:42<themill>witte: you realise that you've just upgraded from bash 3.1 to bash 3.2?
18:45<witte>themill: well, yes
18:45<witte>themill: is there a big difference :-)
18:46<themill>witte: nfi... but it seems that a lot has changed in /etc/skel (from the changelog, at least)
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18:47<witte>themill: yes, but, it was an existing user account, normally /etc/skel did not come into play
18:47<themill>true, but renaming files in /etc/skel (to me) implies a change in the filenames that will be used by bash itself.
18:49<witte>themill: the manual still points to /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc
18:50<witte>themill: it are those that are loaded when opening a shell, right? (there is also /etc/profile, that is sometimes loaded, but i am never sure which one is loaded when)
18:50<themill>bashrc should always be loaded, profile files for interactive/login shells
18:50<witte>in any case, the fact remains, if i source .bashrc, nothing happens, if i paste the contents of that file in the terminal, it does work
18:51<themill>witte: do you source bash_completion stuff in your bashrc?
18:51<witte>themill: euhm, yes, i'll try to remove that
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18:52<themill>try doing so, apparently sourcing it twice is broken
18:52<themill>witte: and it is now sourced in /etc/bash.bashrc (I think).
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18:53<witte>themill: you are right, that was it, and removing the source /etc/bash.bashrc
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18:53<witte>themill: thanks!
18:54<themill>hmm.... sounds like something that should be documented in README.Debian or NEWS.Debian at the least. Preferably fixed either by making the sourcable twice or by protecting the files with a bit "if".
18:54<witte>themill: i don't think i added that since the update, it was obviously not needed, but i figured, it can't be wrong either :-), guess it was wrong after all :P
18:55<themill>it shouldn't cause .bashrc processing to halt though. Smells of bug. And many people are going to be affected by it.
18:56<witte>themill: i still got a shell, just a basic one, without alias definitions (although there is a new file for that as well if i am correct) so it was still workable
18:56<witte>but i thought it was my fault otherwise someone else would have filed a bug report :P
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18:57<themill>witte: it's a new package though with some fairly serious reorganisation
18:58<witte>shall i formulate a bugreport?
18:59<themill>!dbugs 430501
18:59<dpkg>#430501:W[bash-completion] /etc/skel/.bashrc: bash_completion example in default .bashrc should check for previous inclusion via $BASH_COMPLETION; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:02:19 UTC
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19:00<themill>witte: it's related to that ^^ bug, but now also applies to the default /etc/bash.bashrc, it seems.
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19:00<themill>witte: perhaps also reference this one:
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19:02<witte>themill: that ubuntu bug is the one that I am having as well, I use that. Thanks again.
19:03<witte>themill: how severe is this? Normal?
19:03<themill>witte: well... you uncommented the sourcing of bash_completion in /etc/bashrc yourself to begin with (perhaps years ago!) so it's something that the user has to do to provoke it to be a problem.
19:04<themill>But it's also a pretty trivial fix, I would have thought...
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19:05<witte>themill: well, the real problem is that it is not documented and does not give any error (I found it difficult to start searching)
19:05<witte>themill: so maybe minor bug?
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19:06<themill>witte: not sure... people argue so much about this rather than just fixing the bugs. (There's a patch on #430501 to solve the problem)
19:07<witte>themill: well, that patch would be for /etc/bash.bashrc, but it would still leave the problem if you afterwards load the file in ~/.bashrc
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19:08<themill>witte: true... fixing up /etc/skel is only have the problem.
19:09<witte>themill: i will write something, and let you know, you can add comments to it afterwards if you want :-)
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19:14<Yoyoma2>Hey all, i have a samba share with cups running on an HP 1300 printer but when i access it from my Vista box (windows NT) it is very very slow when i switch printers...
19:14<Yoyoma2>Sometimes windows says the printer timed out, other times it lets me select it (after around 2 mins of waiting) and I can print fine.
19:15<Yoyoma2>I have the message [2008/04/22 19:14:59, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(783)
19:15<Yoyoma2> tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing/hp1300.tdb): rec_read bad magic 0x9d4e7376 at offset=21120
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19:22<Yoyoma2>Then i get: [2008/04/22 19:22:09, 1] rpc_client/cli_pipe.c:cli_rpc_pipe_open(2222)
19:22<Yoyoma2> cli_rpc_pipe_open: cli_nt_create failed on pipe \spoolss to machine Kiki. Error was NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
19:23<themill>#samba on might be able to help you with that more
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19:24<Yoyoma2>themill: Thanks!
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19:24<lsailor>netstat -in is showing a lot of RX-ERR, what can i do to check this network has been very slow the last few days
19:26<lsailor>eth0 1500 0 1915113818 2147483647
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19:29<spaceracoonlady>hi, for howlong will kde stay in testing?
19:29<spaceracoonlady>lenn ywith kde 3?
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19:29<themill>!tell spaceracoonlady about kde4
19:30<spaceracoonlady>and how can I instal debian without burning the netinsatll iso?
19:30<abrotman>there are floppies, a web page .. usb drive methods
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19:31<spaceracoonlady2>go ti kicked out?
19:31<spaceracoonlady2>all i can read there is probably not
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19:31<spaceracoonlady2>i do not want kde4
19:32<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
19:32<spaceracoonlady2>but i want the rolling release
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19:32<spaceracoonlady2>abrotman: that have i to decide where i do ask
19:32<spaceracoonlady2>also i am asking in english
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19:39<xDbr>i used sudo apt-get to install nmap and proftpd, but i left the precess backgorunded
19:40<xDbr>sudo expired, and them i got an error
19:40<xDbr>now i can´t install nothing
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19:41<xDbr>how to restore the defult permission for folders, like /bin?
19:41<witte>xDbr: what error do you get now?
19:41<azeem>xDbr: how is that related to apt-get install nmap?
19:41<abrotman>you changed permissions on /bin/ ?
19:42<zarchne>Maybe you need to kill a process to release a lock?
19:42<xDbr>the process got an error, after that everything is locked
19:42<witte>xDbr: don't talk in riddles: which error, and what is locked
19:43<xDbr>unable to create /usr/bin/nmap : Permission danied
19:43<dpkg>Debian Weekly News at . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to
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19:43<witte>the debian weekly news is alive and kicking again :P
19:43<azeem>xDbr: what command are you running?
19:43<witte>xDbr: sorry for the interruption ;-)
19:43<xDbr>sudo apt-get install nmap
19:43<themill>witte: Yes. It's good news indeed.
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19:44<witte>themill: the bug is filed btw, but i need to wait until i get the number to arrive in my mailbox...
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19:45<themill>witte: thanks. Probably time for me to go to bed. And you too...
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19:45<witte>themill: well, i have flexible hours, i will most likely be here still for some hours :P
19:45<widget>hi there
19:46<xDbr>i´ve tried to run sudo chown -R 755 /usr/bin
19:46<weasel>that was stupid
19:46<xDbr>but, nothing roo
19:47<weasel>have fun fixing your system
19:47<xDbr>chmod, sorry
19:47<weasel>or reinstalling
19:47<abrotman>latter probably easier
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19:47<xDbr>reinstall? again? o gosh!
19:47<weasel>well, you just broke your /usr/bin
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19:47<weasel>what makes you think running something like that is a smart idea anyway
19:48<abrotman>beer maybe? :)
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19:48<xDbr>how to backup my programs?
19:48<zarchne>xDbr: can you su to root?
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19:49<xDbr>zarchne: i can
19:49<betelgeuze>xDbr: all files in my /usr/bin have the same permissions, so it shouldn't be hard to fix
19:49<zarchne>xDbr: chmod 4755 /usr/bin/sudo
19:49<weasel>betelgeuze: wrong.
19:49<zarchne>xDbr: that should fix sudo.
19:49<weasel>(why do people in here say stuff when they obviously have no clue)
19:50<themill>betelgeuze: perhaps you'd like to study the output of ls -l /usr/bin a little more carefully.
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19:50<xDbr>zarchne: Operation not permitted
19:51<zarchne>xDbr: after "su root"?
19:51<xDbr>zarchne: yep
19:51<betelgeuze>weasel: I stand corrected 6 of 1900 files have different perimssion in my /usr/bin, not counting links
19:51<weasel>those count.
19:51<zarchne>xDbr: is /usr mounted rw?
19:51<themill>betelgeuze: find /usr/bin \! -perm 0755 -a -type f
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19:52<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ find /usr/bin \! -perm 0755 -a -type f | wc -l
19:52<xDbr>i think it is better to reintall the system
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19:53<xDbr>how to make a backup from apt?
19:53<witte>xDbr: do you have a separate /home partition
19:53<xDbr>witte: i have
19:53<xDbr>free disk space to
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19:53<witte>xDbr: ok, that should make reinstalling relatively painless
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19:53<xDbr>for the tird time....
19:53<betelgeuze>my bad. 29 of 1900 :)
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19:54<themill>xDbr: don't break things and then you never need to reinstall...
19:54<weasel>xDbr: that should teach you to not do stupid stuff
19:54<HellTiger>how can i tell grub to autmaticly scan filesystems for the hd*?
19:54<dpkg>methinks reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone>
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19:55<xDbr>themill and weasel: i think the same
19:55<themill>It's a learning experience, is it?
19:56<HellTiger># This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS, how can i doo this again?
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19:56<witte>xDbr: the last part (starting from dpkg --get-selections is for the reinstallation with the same packages)
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19:57<zarchne>aptitude search '~i!~E!~M' -F '%p' | sed 's/ *$//' # is list of aptitude packages "manually installed".
19:57<xDbr>gonna try
19:57<witte>!dbugs 477407
19:57<dpkg>#477407:N[bash] double loading of /etc/bash_completion makes that .bashrc does not load; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:42:01 UTC
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19:58<witte>themill: ^^
19:58<themill>witte: thanks. Will read over.
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19:58<themill>zarchne: how does that differ from aptitude search '~i!~M' ? (they all look like line noise to me)
19:59<xDbr>thnks for the tips
20:00<zarchne>themill: !~E means "don't bother listing the essential packages" because presumably they're already installed.
20:00<witte>themill: it seems that i should look at line endings in my editor before submitting again :P
20:00<themill>zarchne: yeah. thought it might be. thanks.
20:01<zarchne>themill: -F '%p' means just print the package name, not status or description.
20:01<themill>witte: to wrap or not to wrap, that is the question....
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20:01<themill>zarchne: yep. which makes it easier to feed back into aptitude install
20:01<zarchne>themill: but aptitude still space-fills to 80 columns, so strip that off with sed.
20:02<zarchne>(Couldn't figure out how to tell aptitude to use as much space as it needs and not to fill at all. At least in etch.)
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20:03<themill>zarchne: /msg dpkg aptitude clone <= might make your sed redundant
20:04<HellTiger>problem with grub: says (hd0) /dev/hda, i know my new windows partition on hda1 so its (hd0,0), grup didnt see the filesystem: Partition num: 0, Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7, its ntfs. is it normal?
20:04<zarchne>themill: Maybe, I'd have to test it. Next thing to figure out is easy expression for pre-seeding debconf values.
20:05<themill>witte: bug report looks quite sensible. Guess we'll see what happens.
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20:05<witte>themill: the fact there is one, will allow people with the same problem to find a solution quicker
20:06<themill>At this stage, bash 3.2 might be lenny+1 not lenny as it's already frozen.
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20:07<zarchne>themill: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' still space fills to 80 columns for me.
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20:07<themill>zarchne: hmm... doesn't seem to here on etch.
20:08<witte>themill: is lenny frozen?
20:08<zarchne>themill: even if output is not a terminal.
20:08<themill>witte: essential packages
20:08<zarchne>themill: did you test with "cat -A" ?
20:09<witte>ah, I was not aware of that. But the final freeze will not be for any time soon I guess
20:09<javo>themill: so there wont be any update of xserver-xorg packages?
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20:09<themill>javo: that's not frozen yet. but xorg in sid has lots of RC bugs
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20:10<themill>zarchne: much space padding when piped or redirected :(
20:11<javo>themill: i see that... i was especting for new open source ati drivers :(
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20:12<themill>zarchne: btw have a look at debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections for your debconf transfer question
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20:12<themill>javo: there's still plenty of time for them to get in... maybe.
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20:14<zarchne>themill: thanks for the tip (!, I hope)
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20:16<themill>zarchne: no worries
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20:17*themill => bed
20:17<themill>night all!
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20:28<Kano>why is pbuilder sid broken??
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20:35<dondelelcaro>horray for drive by questions
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20:37<tj_>any reason xorg would take up like 80-95% of my dual 1.9ghz processors?
20:38<nevyn>tj_: what card and driver?
20:38<tj_>not constantly.. but high frequency peaks
20:38<tj_>ati radeon x1200
20:38<nevyn>all bets off.. but draging a window around is hella expensive on cpu.
20:39<tj_>ya, in firefox scrolling with keypad.... goed to almost 100%
20:39<tj_>wasnt doing that a couple days ago though... weird
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20:43<dondelelcaro>tj_: set general.smoothScroll to false if it isn't already set that way
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20:47<sysop2>is there a command line tool that will do base64 in debian. on other systems its called base64 but I cant find it on
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20:49<tj_>dondelelcaro, in xorg.conf? or where?
20:49<abrotman>!find bin/base64 etch
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20:50<dpkg>Debian Search of 'bin/base64' (2): (/usr/bin/base64tool) in graphics/mkvtoolnix ;; (/usr/share/fml/bin/{|}) in mail/fml.
20:50<abrotman>sysop2: in lenny, it's in coreutils
20:50<abrotman>sysop2: appears to not be there in etch
20:51<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ which base64-encode
20:51<weasel>base64-encode: aliased to perl -MMIME::Base64 -e "print encode_base64(<>)"
20:51<weasel>there used to be a base64-encode in mimecodecs
20:51<abrotman>or that
20:51<weasel>but it isn't anymore
20:51<weasel>base64-decode: aliased to perl -MMIME::Base64 -e "print decode_base64(<>)"
20:51<weasel>(for those that care)
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20:55<tj_>set general.smoothScroll to false if it isn't already set that way <------someone else tell where?
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21:03<richter>Ola pessoal...
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21:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:05<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
21:06<richter>Hi all
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21:08<CiMaRRoN>alguien me pude dar una manito con swat ?
21:09<CiMaRRoN>q tal richter
21:09<tj_>tj_: set general.smoothScroll to false if it isn't already set that way dpkg?
21:09<tj_>you pretty well all-knowing
21:09<richter>Estou aqui em busca de ajuda com o uname
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21:11<oliver_>help xchat configuração
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21:12<richter>my uname dont show name of my processor
21:13<oliver_>conf help xchat.
21:14<n3ksus>Is any1 able to help me with Ice Weasel, It just clearly dont work, Browsing the net works fine on Konquerer, But i just dont like Koquerer, What happens is when i attempt to load a page with iceweasel i get a took too long error.
21:15<richter>reinstall iceweasel.
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21:16<richter>any here know to uname display name of processor machine?
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21:19<weasel>richter: uname doesn't do that.
21:19<weasel>richter: you are asking the wrong question
21:19<weasel>richter: the answer to the correct question is cat /proc/cpuinfo
21:20<dondelelcaro>n3ksus: what pages have you tried to load? does pinging the site in question work?
21:20<n3ksus>i try
21:20<n3ksus>when i traceroute it it half loads
21:21<n3ksus>well the loading bar half loads
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21:23<n3ksus>and i reinstalled iceweasel and that failed to fix the problem
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21:24<richter>check it have configured with proxy
21:25<richter>If have, configure without proxy
21:25<n3ksus>allready checked
21:25<n3ksus>Set to the direct connection
21:26<richter>Its very strange.
21:26<n3ksus>it is
21:26<richter>Try use opera
21:27<n3ksus>Konquerer is the only browser that works
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21:27<richter>Or download firefox in the mozilla site.
21:27<n3ksus>guess i'll try that
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21:28<n3ksus>also, i have nfi how to setup phpmyadmin
21:29<n3ksus>it's just too confusing
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21:36<arquebus>Ive got a nvidia 8800gtx graphic card, so do I just install the nvidia drivers off apt-get?
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21:39<richter_>arquebus what is u kernel?
21:39<arquebus>i386 I think
21:39<arquebus>Ive got a core2duo
21:39<richter_>version release
21:40<arquebus>oh shoot, my disc is stuck in my disk drive, is there a way I can check in the shell or something?
21:41<richter_>write in ternimal uname -r and sys whats version is
21:42<richter_>install nvidia driver is better manually
21:42<arquebus>I type in my username -r sys?
21:42<richter_>uname -r <enter>
21:43<richter_>if u kernel version 2.6.24
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21:43<arquebus>so I have to update my kernal?
21:43<richter_>sido apt-get install nvidia-glx
21:43<qq>richter_: o... means old ?
21:44<richter_>sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
21:44<arquebus>ok thanks for that, I'll try that now
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21:47<qq>richter_: for ati: apt-get install ati-glx ?
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21:47<arquebus>I cant belieb this, it says my user name is not in the sudoers file, but that is my username
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21:48<tj_>how long should it take to extract a 150mb tarball? 1.9ghz X2 1gb ram?
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21:48<nevyn>those specs arn't that relevant
21:48<k-man_>is it gziped or bziped?
21:49<qq>2-3 min ?
21:49<nevyn>disk io is probably more critical.
21:49<tj_>5400 rpm
21:49<tj_>my system is sick and i dont know why
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21:49<richter_>for ati install catalyst
21:49<arquebus>can anyone tell me how I set up my sudo file so I can use sudo commands?
21:49<qq>richter_: thank you
21:50<tj_>scrolling webpages maxes out my cpu
21:50<tj_>it just finished after about 8 min
21:50<nevyn>arquebus: copy the line for root replace the first root with your username
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21:50<arquebus>thanks nevyn
21:51<tj_>i mean.... why would fglrx work well for like 2 weeks and then dump? i meant this has only gone on for 2 days.
21:51<tj_>and the graphics are wonderful video was working like a charm.. i know some have had issues with it lagging, but not me
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21:52<chealer>arquebus: no, etch's drivers don't support your card. you could try backporting sid's
21:52<tj_>i had catalyst... was default at install... it was terrible.
21:52<arquebus>oh no, thanks chealer
21:53<richter_>I love nvidia
21:53<arquebus>I think Im just going to have to reinstall the dev release of debian
21:53<richter_>install is very easy
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21:53<arquebus>yes, install was easy for me, and Im coming from ubuntu
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21:54<tj_>i wish i had nvidia now
21:54<tj_>i totally bought the wrong notebook
21:54<tj_>shoulda got intel.. got amd.
21:54<tj_>shoulda got nvidia
21:55<tj_>reltek everything in this machine LAN/wifi/sound
21:55<nevyn>intel > *
21:55<nevyn>for actual free software support
21:56<qq>tj_: not here , i 'm installing that (catalist) right now
21:56<qq>Setting up libcatalyst-plugin-formvalidator-perl (0.02-3) ..
21:57<tj_>whats bad about fglrx?
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21:57<qq>(on sid )
21:58<nevyn>tj_: beyond being proprietary software that's almost certainly not intended for the card you're using it with nothing really
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21:59<tj_>is sid that scary? i mean i wanted Gkrellm... and the stable ver... well didnt do what i wanted it to do... so i got the newer one from there.
21:59<tj_>i am new to linux.. so i could be making a million mistakes
21:59<nevyn>sid is terrifying
21:59<nevyn>ogga booga
22:00<richter_>I use debian sid
22:00<richter_>Very good
22:00<richter_>for me
22:00<tj_>i just know that my machine was blazing fast 2 days ago and now its crap!
22:01<tj_>and i dont even know if i can remember all the mess i had to go through to get it all set up.... i had to ask like any newbie, how embarrassing to ask twice.
22:01<richter_>My machine rune debian sid in 3 weeaks and it is very good
22:01<abrotman>!sid upgrade
22:01<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
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22:02<tj_>been running dpkg... i respect your advice... but what if what you want is on the other side of the fence?
22:03<abrotman>dpkg: what are you
22:03<dpkg>I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
22:03<tj_>been running for a month.. good untill 2 days ago
22:03<dondelelcaro>tj_: generally there should be backports for most things
22:03<qq>CPU[Pentium III (Katmai) clocked at 448.072 Mhz] Kernel[Linux 2.6.25-rc5-686 i686] Up[-2days-] Mem[-95.3/250.3MB-] HDD[-7GB(83%used)-] Procs[-117-] Client[Shell]
22:03<dondelelcaro>tj_: if there aren't, you can make them yourself fairly easily.
22:04<dondelelcaro>qq: please turn whatever that is off
22:04<abrotman>qq: no one cares about your HDD space
22:05<richter_>i use debian sid and kernel 2.6.25
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22:05<qq>me to
22:05<tj_>i mean i am etch.. just taking packages from sid repository... is that just as bad?
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22:05<dondelelcaro>tj_: it's worse, actually.
22:06<tj_>i try to get all from etch.. but googling i find what i want is in sid
22:06<dpkg>i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
22:06<dondelelcaro>tj_: see above
22:06<gsimmons>qq: The 'libcatalyst-*' packages are of the Catalyst web application framework, not the ATI driver package (of the same name).
22:07<richter_>im lovely for my debian sid
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22:07<qq>gsimmons: dont know that , thank
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22:08<abrotman>richter_: people new to debian should not run unstable
22:08<richter_>its true
22:08<witte>richter_: it is great that you like sid, however, it is not something that should be advertised here, as it is not meant to be a stable OS.
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22:08<tj_>i am new to it all... i got this laptop.... and it had vista on it of course.. and now i am on a crash course for disaster
22:08<abrotman>richter_: there is no but
22:08<richter_>unstable testing give more happy
22:09<witte>tj_: well, the first time I installed linux on my pc, it did not take long before i totally crashed it (and the first time i had to install windows that did not work out as i expected as well)
22:10<witte>tj_: there is some learning involved ;-)
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22:10<richter_>try use debian lenny
22:10<tj_>I love to learn... and you lovely folks here are my only chance of survival... appreciate ya.
22:11<wubrgamer>is this the same #debian as on freenode?
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22:11<RIVE>Hello, good night.
22:11<wubrgamer>what's the difference?
22:11<RIVE>Sorry, good evening.
22:11<witte>!why oftc
22:11<witte>!oftc move
22:11<dpkg>oftc move is probably moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See
22:12<witte>wubrgamer: in principle there is no difference, freenode is the older channel, oftc the newer, both channels are for support for debian
22:13<wubrgamer>witte: thanks, this chan. seems smaller, i'll leave ya'll alone now
22:13<witte>wubrgamer: the S/N ratio tends to be quite ok in this channel ;-)
22:13<wubrgamer>S/N ?
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22:14<witte>wubrgamer: (just to show that it is not something that i invented myself :-))
22:15<wubrgamer>oh, duhh, i read screenname not the engineering term
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22:16<richter_>ok guys i go to beg now
22:16<richter_>i sleep
22:16<qq>gn richter_
22:16<richter_>thx for all
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22:21<let>please a xchat spanish
22:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:22<witte>let or do you want xchat to be available with a spanish language pack?
22:22<let>no thank,s very much
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22:23<let>good bye
22:23<new>interpretador de algoritmo para o debian conhece algum?
22:23<let>I,m spanish
22:23<let>Im sorry
22:23<new>i am brasil
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22:25<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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22:31<umbra>is there anyway to make a lexamark printer work with linux?
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22:33<dpkg>rumour has it, linuxprinting is an excellent website detailing available printer drivers and printer support under Linux. Very useful if shopping for a printer, or just to see if there's any hope of getting your printer to work.
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22:37<umbra>wow this site is really slow
22:38<witte>umbra: mmm, seems to be a problem
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22:38<umbra>its not loading
22:39<umbra>dont tell me database error
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22:40<umbra>ill google linux printing and see what it comes up with
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22:41<witte>umbra: look for linux printing cups
22:41<dpkg>somebody said cups was a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at (or so says, or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup>
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22:42<umbra>what are cups?
22:42<umbra>ok cool
22:42<umbra>thanks for the link
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22:46<umbra>openprinting tells me its a no go
22:46<witte>umbra: the cheap lexmarks are generally not the best printers you may find...
22:47<umbra>this was a cheap one
22:47<witte>umbra: the more expensive ones are generally supported
22:47<umbra>i guess i might have to dual boot then
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23:10<umbra>how do i perminently set my hardware clock?
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23:11<umbra>because every couple of times that i log in my computer thinks that it is 1904 and i have to change it in order to get nautilus to work
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23:15<rrm>hi room
23:17<umbra>ok my system has a major issue
23:17<umbra>like an hour ago it froze and gave me these weird flashing lines
23:18<umbra>when i powered down i could not boot again for a while
23:18<umbra>when the boot finally succeded without freezing i spent all of two min
23:18<umbra>before it froze again gave me flashing lines
23:19<umbra>and now the screen is exhibiting reallly weird phenomenea of slowly darkening of the screen
23:19<umbra>at the corners
23:19<umbra>it dont know what could have happened to it
23:20<umbra>why would a working system all of a sudden be prone to this?
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23:21<rrm>how can i read a ntfs disk? my external hdd
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23:24<umbra>does anyone have an idea?
23:26<RIVE><rrm> how can i read a ntfs disk? my external hdd <-- install ntfs-3g
23:26<rrm>hi rive... thanks
23:26<rrm>i get this error
23:26<rrm> Depends: libfuse2 (>=2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed
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23:27<RIVE>rrm, ¿are you using Etch?
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23:28<rrm>funny... it worked to install from backports
23:29<umbra>ok most of the time it does not boot up at all
23:29<RIVE>Backports is what i will recomend to you, if you are already usinng it, i have no idea.
23:29<umbra>it makes the noise that it normally does
23:29<umbra>and then stops
23:30<umbra>do you think it is a hardware issue?
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23:31<rrm>RIVE: works now
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23:34<RIVE><rrm> RIVE: works now --> :-)
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23:35<black_13>umbra what was your question
23:36<RIVE>No idea umbra, think moust be a hardware problem.
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23:36<umbra>scroll up
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23:36<rrm>do u have a video car on the mobo?
23:37<rrm>or separate?
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23:37<rrm>since it could be that
23:37<umbra>its an ibook
23:37<umbra>so i dont think it has a video card
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23:38<RIVE>umbra, does it work well with OSX?
23:38<umbra>i dont have osx on it
23:39<umbra>it was really slow with osx so thats why i put debian on it
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23:39<RIVE>Is a iBook G3, or G4?
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23:40<umbra>and the more times i try to boot it the more i begin to think something in the hardware is messed up
23:41<umbra>i dont think a single glitch in the software could do this
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23:41<RIVE>Can you check the xorg.conf file in the "MOnitor" section
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23:42<umbra>currently i cant even boot it
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23:42<umbra>i try to boot and it makes the whirring noise that is normally does
23:42<umbra>and nothing more
23:43<RIVE>Mmmm, i have one of those, so i think is a hardware problem.
23:43<RIVE>Never did that.
23:43<umbra>i thought it might be something else because at one point it started to boot a couple times
23:44<umbra>and once actually did
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23:45<umbra>but that must just have been some weird part of the hardware glitch
23:45<umbra>or bread
23:45<RIVE>The problmes i had with the iBook where with the xorg.conf VertRefres and HorizSync was not detected.
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23:45<umbra>but where you able to log in?
23:46<RIVE>Yes, i did boot.
23:46<umbra>i think i have a different issue then
23:46<umbra>this computer might really be dead for all my puposes
23:46<umbra>thanks for your help
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23:48<lanceallott>umbra: who makes your mobo
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23:49<umbra>what does mobo mean?
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23:49<umbra>its an ibook
23:50<umbra>so i assume everything in it is made by mac
23:50<lanceallott>ah...good luck brother!
23:50<umbra>it was only an auxillary computer anyways
23:51<umbra>i didnt use it for a while
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23:51<umbra>thought it was useless until i discovered linux
23:51<umbra>but i only started to use it more recently
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23:51<lanceallott>umbra: i think mac is starting to rollout mobo's with Intel cpu's and cihipsets
23:51*cwood is listening to bands/Lordi/The_Arockalypse/07_Hard_Rock_Hallelujah.mp3.
23:52*cwood is listening to bands/Lordi/The_Arockalypse/07_Hard_Rock_Hallelujah.mp3.
23:52*cwood is listening to bands/Lordi/The_Arockalypse/07_Hard_Rock_Hallelujah.mp3.
23:52<umbra>i heard about that
23:52<cwood>Sorry, that should not have happened.
23:52<cwood>I thought I fixed that.
23:52<umbra>but only with the new ones
23:53<lanceallott>umbra: thats right! but i don't do mac. no offence:0
23:53<umbra>lol i inherited this computer
23:53<umbra>i wouldnt buy one myself ever
23:53<cwood>A question: Are there any three modules for Perl, Python, and Ruby that read the same style of .config file?
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23:55<lanceallott>cwood: i thought most .config files were ascii2, just plain ole .txt files...anything should read that
23:56<cwood>I meant more format like key=value, and so on. Obviously that's easy to parse, but I'd rather see if there's a common read/write module...
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23:58<dondelelcaro>cwood: there are a whole bunch, but almost everything should have routines to read ini, apache, and xml configuration files
23:58<lanceallott>cwood: well, value would be bolean (0,1) (yess,no) (true,false)..and so on
23:58<dondelelcaro>ini being the key=value style
23:58<cwood>aha. Thank you, I will google based on that.
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