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---Logopened Wed Apr 23 00:00:02 2008
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00:01<k-man_>is there a way i can specify to never ever ever use the optus sourceforge mirror for downloading?
00:02<k-man_>if i had my way, i would have it purged from the dns system
00:02<k-man_>god damn crap mirror
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00:04<lanceallott>k-man: check your /etc/apt/sources.list...put a # in front of the offending link
00:06<k-man_>lanceallott, no, i was refering to in the web browser when you try and download something from sourceforge and it selects a mirror for you
00:06<k-man_>unfortunatley, the optus mirror is a woefull attempt at mirroring. 50% of the time the file you want isn't there
00:07<lanceallott>k-man_: isn't there a way to specify a locality
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00:07<k-man_>hmm.. dunno,
00:07<k-man_>maybe
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00:08<lanceallott>k-man_: some kind of checkbox or something...ya know for geographic region
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00:09<k-man_>i think it just offers that if you specificly select it atdownload time
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00:10<Snadder>I get 6 conflicts when I try to dist-upgrade with aptitude from etch to lenny: http://pastebin.ca/994129
00:10<Snadder>Anyone know how to resolve that?
00:10<lanceallott>k-man_: what app are you wanting to download, if you don't mind me asking?
00:11<k-man_>lanceallott, actually, i encounter this issue all the time with optus, but its ok in the browser as i can just select another mirror
00:11<cwood>Snadder: First, you can't upgrade xmms, it doesn't exist in the distribution anymore (audacious is what I use instead now).
00:12<k-man_>lanceallott, but i just tried the windows based filezilla, and it has an option to download the latest version, but it failed to download because it gets it from sourceforge, and the optus mirror was broken
00:13<lanceallott>k-man_: get the ip: for the mirror, then ping it...see if it's up
00:13<cwood>Snadder: second, I haven't used apitude to dist-upgrade, only apt-get. So my personal process is to prune all software that's giving me problems, then upgrade what I need, and apt-get install back the troubled ones.
00:15<k-man_>lanceallott, yes, i could.. but i'd rather just purge it from my life
00:15<k-man_>it causes too much trouble
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00:16<mysuppe>hello guys
00:16<lanceallott>k-man_: a man after my own heart...:)
00:16<mysuppe>wow..gaim package is quite impressive.
00:16<k-man_>lanceallott, if only i knew how
00:16<mysuppe>this package can connect irc using proxy.
00:17<lanceallott>k-man: dpkg -p <filename>
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00:22<k-man_>lanceallott, if only that worked with whole websites.... dpkg -p *optus.net.au
00:23<lanceallott>k-man_: ur right, I keep forgetting that you are having a browser problem
00:24<lanceallott>k-man_: i was thinking on the application level
00:24<k-man_>i run my own dns proxy, i wonder if i could route all requests to the optus sourceforge mirror to a different sourceforge mirror
00:24<lanceallott>k-man_: by the way, what is your browser of choice??
00:25<k-man_>firefox
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00:27<lanceallott>k-man_: just wondering if your proxy is a static ip:?
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00:27<k-man_>lanceallott, yes, it is
00:28<lanceallott>k-man_: lanceallott turns green with envy..
00:28<k-man_>why?
00:28<luckylin>on the debian website, i downloaded the debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso does that work on 64 bit AMD chips? or did i need the AMD64 one?
00:29<k-man_>luckylin, it will work, but only in 32 bit afaik
00:29<k-man_>you'll need a specific 64 bit one if you want 64 bit
00:29<luckylin>k, thanx, i just didn't want to find out I wasted a disk
00:29<luckylin>I wanted 32 bit
00:29<luckylin>but it doesnt work, sais I have no display
00:30<lanceallott>because I'am just an ol'd living room linux user on DHCP
00:30<luckylin>i don't have it installed any more but i'll reinstall later to try and fix it
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00:31<luckylin>when i tryed booting the computer a screen would pop up and say I had no display, please configure your display then i was put into the terminal to fix it
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00:33<lanceallott>luckylin: did you try startx
00:34<luckylin>yes, it gave me an error and then i could read an error report which was very long, basically said I had no display drivers installed that work
00:35<lanceallott>what video card do you have
00:35<luckylin>i didnt try downloading the drivers in terminal, maybe if i did that it might work?
00:35<luckylin>8800GT 512
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00:35<lanceallott>Nvidia
00:36<luckylin>yes
00:36<lanceallott>does lsmod show nv being loaded?
00:37<luckylin>I haven't tried that
00:38<luckylin>I have a nvidia 7300LE , usually that card works no matter what, I could maybe reinstall with that, then download the newest nv drivers and then put in my 8800GT, bc the drivers work for all nv cards
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00:40<luckylin>or i could do it all in console with the 8800gt...just don't have all the commands written down that I would need
00:40<lanceallott>luckylin: dunno...maybee..can't afford a 8800GT 512
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00:42<lanceallott>luckylin: maybe you should try a few Live CD's and see if one will work, then note what module they use
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00:44<luckylin>i think vesa is what the Live Cd's use for my computer
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00:44<lanceallott>luckylin: :(
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00:45<luckylin>is that a problem?
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00:46<lanceallott>luckylin: well, ya know what they say about bleeding edge hardware....
00:47<luckylin>yeah, doesn't always work
00:47<lanceallott>and it will make you bleed
00:47<lanceallott>trying to get it working
00:48<nevyn>btw the nvidia binary driver does not support all nvidia cards
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00:48<nevyn>there have been multiple points where the driver has dropped support for whole classes of hardware.
00:49<luckylin>on linux mint, it would never boot the live cd unless i took out the card and put in the nvidia 7300LE , i'de have to install it, then install the latest nvidia drivers, turn off the computer and put back in the 8800gt, upon power up the 8800gt would work
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00:50<luckylin>but atleast debian has a text installer so i can get it installed fine
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00:53<luckylin>I think all i need to do is use a command that does something like this "download nv.driver put it /home/user/downloads" i'm not quite sure what the right words for that is but i've seen it done before
00:54<luckylin>then i could do "cd /home/user/downloads" "sh nvidia.driver" and it should install i think
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00:55<nevyn>luckylin: have you used module-assist?
00:55<luckylin>no, I haven't heard of that
00:55<luckylin>i'm pretty new to linux in general
00:56<nevyn>luckylin: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant then run module-assistant
00:56<nevyn>and follow the bouncing ball.
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00:56<luckylin>thanks =) i'll write that down and then re install debian
00:58<luckylin>oh one more thing...I don't remember the last time i installed debian, but is there an option to install grub in the partition instead of mbr? i'm using the sidux grub for my MBR and I have it just the way I want, i'de rather just add debian to the sidux grub, i know how to do that part myself
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01:02<chealer>luckylin: yes
01:02<luckylin>chealer: thanks m8
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01:07<luckylin>ok off to reinstall now, thanks for the help lanceallott,nevyn, and chealer
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01:08<lanceallott>luckylin: when it gives you the option of where to install the boot loader, DONT chose the MFT. just within its own patition, then add the deb boot part to sidux grup later
01:08<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>!lart fsck
01:08*dpkg pushes the wall down onto fsck whilst whistling innocently
01:09<luckylin>Ok lanceallott, will do, thanks
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01:22<lanceallott>Snadder: are u still listening
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01:25<lanceallott>Snadder: hello...come in
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01:36<co_16_eFes>#semarang
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01:40<DennisTheTiger>Running Etch, fully patched. Running 2.6.18.6, I believe. Dropped a SATA disk in the box, but I have no idea which device in /dev to look at - where is it?
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01:41<less>dmesg doesn't tell you?
01:41<DennisTheTiger>less: Apparently not.
01:41<DennisTheTiger>hang on, I'm going to doublecheck.
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01:42<jm_>DennisTheTiger: cat /proc/partitions
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01:43<DennisTheTiger>jm_: Shows nothing there. Just /dev/hd[ab].
01:43<DennisTheTiger>jm_: Note, this disk is not partitioned to my knowledge.
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01:43<jm_>DennisTheTiger: then you don't have the driver loaded -- /msg dpkg which driver
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01:48<DennisTheTiger>jm_: it seems to have the right controller loaded based on what I see, (sata_via), but a) the URL per dpkg says it's a raid controller, and b) I only have one disk. =/
01:48<jm_>DennisTheTiger: check dmesg output
01:49<DennisTheTiger>jm_: This looks like a job for... pastebin.ca!
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01:51<DennisTheTiger>jm_: relevant seeming output is at http://pastebin.ca/994194
01:52<jm_>DennisTheTiger: it only mentions ata1 and ata2?
01:52<DennisTheTiger>That's it.
01:52<jm_>I recommend you to install 2.6.23 or .24 kernel then
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01:53<mysuppe>hello guys
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01:53<DennisTheTiger>jm_: Is there a backport, or does this mean it's time to update to lenny?
01:53<jm_>DennisTheTiger: there is yes
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01:55<DennisTheTiger>jm_: Thanks, I'll poke in if I need more help.
01:55<jm_>no worries
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01:57<DennisTheTiger>jm_: I might just upgrade to Lenny while I'm at it. Are there any caveats to an update, or is it pretty much follow instructions given in 'etch->lenny'?
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01:58<jm_>DennisTheTiger: it was pretty smooth for me - just do that and it should be easy to solve problems later if they arise
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02:04<TrIXx>join debian.de
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02:04<TrIXx>hello
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02:05<TrIXx>i have a problem with with my time in the taskboarder
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02:05<TrIXx>now it is 8:05 but the time under kde shows 10:05
02:05<TrIXx>what can i do???
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02:06<jm_>check your timezone settings
02:06<Torsten_W>someone an idea, where I must turn, if pkg config --cflags foobar no output has, although /usr/lib/pkgconfig/foobar.pc exist?
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02:07<TrIXx>date gives me the correct time
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02:08<Snadder>Anyone know when lenny will be stable?
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02:08<TrIXx>/etc/default/rcS UTC=no
02:08<sep>Snadder, no nobody knows that
02:08<jm_>Torsten_W: strace it, you can also use --debug
02:08<Torsten_W>i will try
02:08<Snadder>sep, based on thats happend in the past.. a wild guess?
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02:09<sep>q4 2008 or early 2009 or atlest befoer 2011
02:09<sep>depends a bit
02:09<Snadder>wasnt last upgrade because of major version of glibc or something?
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02:09<Snadder>ok
02:09<george>hi, all
02:10<TrIXx>hi
02:10<george>can someone help me with some swap questions?
02:10<TrIXx>if i cange the time zone it doesn't change tothe correct time
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02:11<TrIXx>the time is also correct in the "set clock" menu
02:12<TrIXx>only displaying is wrong
02:14<sugoruyo>how much swap should i use? i don't want to use a separate partition, just a file in my /
02:15<jm_>sugoruyo: how much RAM do you have?
02:15<sugoruyo>3gigs
02:15<jm_>1G should do
02:15<jm_>or start with less and add more if you want/need
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02:15<sugoruyo>i don't think i have ever used as much as 3gb of ram in linux
02:15<sugoruyo>i just want to be able to use suspend
02:15<jm_>it's easy to use it for cache
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02:16<jm_>suspend to disk?
02:16<sugoruyo>yeah
02:16<sugoruyo>just installed Lenny
02:16<jm_>then you should study the requirements - I think tuxonice can use a separate file
02:16<sugoruyo>installer complained that the lack of swap would not allow uswusp
02:16<jm_>with plain old s2d you need as much as RAM
02:16<jm_>yeah
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02:17<jm_>just use tuxonice instead
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02:18<sugoruyo>does it work right with gnome menus and such?
02:18<jm_>why would it affect gnome menus?
02:18<Torsten_W>jm_: for me the output is incomprehensibly: http://rafb.net/p/EOrTJg99.html and http://rafb.net/p/ZzGV5s92.html
02:18<sugoruyo>i dunno
02:18<sakura_imoet>hai
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02:20<jm_>Torsten_W: you're all set
02:20<Torsten_W>but nothing returns
02:20<jm_>because it only requires -I/usr/include and -L/usr/lib which are in default search paths
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02:22<mysuppe1>TrIXx: you mean system time?
02:22<sugoruyo>jm_, even with tuxonive how much swap would i need? is it supposed to be mentioned somewhere?
02:23<Torsten_W>jm_: ah, but this is wrong, realy it need -I/usr/include/ffmpeg
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02:23<jm_>sugoruyo: tuxonice supports suspending to a file
02:23<jm_>Torsten_W: I doubt that - it just expects that programs do #include <ffmpeg/foo>
02:23<k1lumin4t1>gpg freezes when generating the key and it asks me for more "action" while I'm connected through ssh
02:23<jm_>k1lumin4t1: yeah generate more entropy
02:24<k1lumin4t1>jm_, yes but it stays there for ages
02:24<jm_>k1lumin4t1: because there's no more to read
02:24<simonrvn>k1lumin4t1: run a find command looking for some bogus file
02:24<k1lumin4t1>jm_, and how could I generate entropy if I'm not phisically there?
02:24<sugoruyo>jm_, aha, so i don't need swap
02:24<k1lumin4t1>simonrvn, ok
02:24<jm_>k1lumin4t1: network activity, some I/O etc.
02:24<jm_>sugoruyo: in theory you don't
02:24<simonrvn>and do it starting from say / or /usr
02:24<sugoruyo>thanks i'll read up on it try it out
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02:33<k1lumin4t1>jm_, simonrvn: Ok i put an update and an upgrade on, installed a package and ran ntop and it's still there
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02:36<chandu>Hi
02:37<chandu>I am creating SYMLINK to HDD nodes in /dev using UDEV rules
02:37<chandu>For eg: for /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2
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02:37<chandu>I am creating SYMLINKS /dev/hda, /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2
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02:39<chandu>but the symlinks are creating only when the partiion filesystem is defined
02:39<chandu>If partition file system is EMPTY then udev is not creating the SYMLINK for that partition ..
02:39<chandu>why is that so
02:39<chandu>How do I fix it
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02:48<sugoruyo>ok, i don't know if anyone's run into this before, i was using the terminal and i tried to ^x which resulted in my terminal reacting as if i'd typed the greek letter chi instead of ^x
02:48<sugoruyo>anyone have a clue how i can fix this?
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02:50<sugoruyo>greek is the second keyboard layout i have selected
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02:51<sugoruyo>removing it seems to restore usability of ^<letter> in terminal but that's not an option
02:54<jm_>you can specify which kjey is used to schange the layout
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02:55<k1lumin4t1>done
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02:56<sugoruyo>the problem is the layout is still US
02:57<sugoruyo>i changed from logitech internet keyboard to generic and that fixed it though...
02:57<sugoruyo>now i'm trying to get the euro sign working
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03:02<jm_>I just use compose key for that
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03:28<Slydder>morning all
03:30<Slydder>i am in need of setting up a loopback alias on a lenny box. the problem is that it does not seem to be allowed. if i set up a alias on eth0 or eth1 it works. but a lo:0 or lo:1 will not activate. any ideas why?
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03:30<sep>modprobe dummy and use the dummy0 interface and you can have as many dummy interfaces as you wish
03:31<Slydder>sep: that is already set up. I am wondering WHY lo will not work.
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03:32<knoppix_>seelam
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03:32<exo2k>is there a guide to using dpkg
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03:34<kop>exo2k : Yes. In the debian reference manual at debian.org.
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03:37<kop>Slydder : Because there's deep mojo in the loopback interface that reaches back into the roots of the world when nobody thought that a loopback alias would be powerful pixie dust?
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03:38<Slydder>lol.
03:38<Slydder>funny how it works on sarge but not in etch or lenny
03:38<Slydder>just tested on a etch box and it won't create either.
03:38<sep>Slydder, probably kernel related
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03:39<Slydder>sorry. etch works. tested on another lenny box by mistake. lol
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03:41<sep>Slydder, compare kernel versions
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03:42<exo2k>kop ty
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03:43<Slydder>if i enter it manually it works. but through the /etc/network/interfaces config file it doesn't want to work. am trying a reboot after the change now
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03:44<exo2k>you shouldn't have to reboot...
03:44<kop>Slydder : That sounds easy to fix. Send somebody a patch.
03:44<simonrvn>um... /etc/init.d/networking stop and start or restart
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03:45<kop>Or those if-up/down scripts.
03:46<morgan`>hello
03:47<Slydder>simonrvn: if i do a networking restart there are NO errors shown. i just did a restart and caught a error thrown when trying to bring lo:0 up
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03:48<Slydder>got it.
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03:49<Slydder>there were 2 things. the first was the arp settings in sysctl.conf and then a stray ipv6 setting in the same file.
03:49<Slydder>once those were fixed all worked as it should.
03:49<Slydder>but only after a reboot. a networking restart did nothing.
03:49<exo2k>i have a intel pro wireless 3945 abg wifi card
03:50<exo2k>i installed it but i'm missing some stuff, anyone familiar with wifi?
03:50<gsimmons>!tell exo2k -about ipw3945
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03:51<exo2k>thanks.
03:51<exo2k>lol just searched it on google again and found it
03:51<exo2k>well, the non-free source
03:51<exo2k>ty.
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04:02<exo2k>gsimmons, can you tell me about gma950 cause dpkg doesn't understand me
04:03<exo2k>or i dunno what to ask it o-o
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04:05<exo2k>nevermind
04:05<exo2k>found it -.-
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04:11<Snadder>Whats the configuration file for grubb?
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04:12<jm_>menu.lst
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04:12<Snadder>In what directory?
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04:13<jm_>/boot/grub by default, but one can put it anywhere and specify it when installing
04:13<Snadder>dpkg -L grub dosnt list it
04:13<dpkg>No packages found matching grub dosnt list it
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04:15<Snadder>I had to remove the old kernel when I upgraded to lenny just now.. but I'm not sure the new kernel is installed.
04:16<Snadder>I tried to install linux-image-k7
04:16<Snadder>But the kernel who boots next time is 2.6.24-1-686 .. and I dont have the modules directory for that kernel.
04:17<Snadder>What do I do to install linux-image-k7?
04:17<jm_>apt-get install
04:18<Snadder>I did apt-get linux-image-k7 .. and linux-image-k7_2.6.24+13_i386.deb got installed..
04:18<Snadder>but still. there is no new directory in /lib/modules/
04:18<jm_>list contents of the package
04:19<Snadder>Damn.. its only some docs
04:20<jm_>maybe k7 is no longer a real kernel - use 686 one
04:20<Snadder>It is..linux-image-2.6.22-3-k7 existed
04:21<jm_>yes, once also i386 kernels existed ...
04:21<Snadder>exists*
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04:21<jm_>2.6.22 is no longe rin Lenny
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04:22<Chron>anybody alive?
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04:24<Chron>could anyone help me with qmail problem please
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04:27<eXo2k>heh
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04:29<alfadir>hi, have problem with fonts. iceweasel/dove and oo does not render the fonts. it is all blank.. looks like a x problem. with qt config i see that some fonts are rendered white. looks like it is the ttf fonts.. any hints how to debug this ?
04:29<alfadir>use defoma and x-ttcidfont-conf
04:29<alfadir>freetype as renderer
04:30<jm_>do fonts work in xterm?
04:30<alfadir>yes
04:30<eXo2k> ipw3945d: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 is to be installed
04:30<eXo2k>whats that mean?
04:30<eXo2k>-.-
04:31<alfadir>the static fonts seem to work. but i guess ttf not..
04:31<jm_>that you're trying to install incompatible package for your Debian release - i.e. you should stop
04:31<jm_>uhm xterm supports ttf fonts
04:32<alfadir>jm_: ok, have not tested xterm with ttf fonts.. will do
04:32<Chron>i ahve qmial on my server and it worked, but now i am getting messages in log files "deferral: Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/", and i cannot connect to port 25 of my server, but i can recieve mail by connecting to port 110, regarding to netstat command server does not listen on port 25, could anyone advice?
04:32<jm_>alfadir: also check if fc-list lists them
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04:34<eXo2k>jm_ so what should i do about intel pro wireless?
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04:34<alfadir>jm_: ex from fc-list FreeSans:style=BoldOblique,polkrepko ležeče
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04:34<alfadir>jm_: FreeSans does not show in qtconfig font selector
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04:35<jm_>eXo2k: do what dpkg told you
04:35<Snadder>(crashreporter:29343): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed<-- i got this error message when starting firefox3 in a newly upgraded lenny distro.
04:35<jm_>alfadir: how about gtk-font-sel?
04:35<eXo2k>i did...
04:35<alfadir>jm_: Eterm: Error: Unable to load font "FreeSans". Falling back on "fixed"
04:35<jm_>you did something else
04:35<eXo2k>no i didn't
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04:36<alfadir>where do i find gtk-font-sel ? apt-file search gtk-font-sel no hits\
04:36<eXo2k>ipw3945d is the daemon which is broken.
04:37<Snadder>Anyone got firefox3 working in lenny?
04:37<jm_>alfadir: xterm -fa 'SansMono-10'
04:37<jm_>alfadir: sorry gtkfontsel
04:38<alfadir>jm_: xterm starts.. but the font is white as in ice*
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04:38<Snadder>Damn.. now normal iceweasel dosnt work after I upgraded to lenny
04:38<jm_>alfadir: hmm, maybe check what was updated lately
04:38<jm_>eXo2k: no, your sources.list is messed up
04:38<Chron>i have qmail on my server and it worked, but now i am getting messages in log files "deferral: Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/", and i cannot connect to port 25 of my server, but i can recieve mail by connecting to port 110, regarding to netstat command server does not listen on port 25, could anyone advice?
04:38<Snadder>I get: loaded md5.js Segmentation fault
04:39<eXo2k>i just have etch and lenny
04:39<alfadir>jm_: sure.. have been trying to figure that out..
04:39<alfadir>it used to work.. hehe..
04:39<jm_>eXo2k: don't ... and please prefix lines for me with jm_ or I won't help you
04:39<Snadder>Reinstallation of iceweasel is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
04:39<Snadder>wtf?
04:39<jm_>alfadir: check /var/log/dpkg.log
04:40<alfadir>jm_: ok
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04:42<alfadir>jm_: well installed openoffice writer when the problem started last week.. but well not sure. will try to do some more tests..
04:42<jm_>alfadir: check for some lib updates or so
04:42<jm_>alfadir: must be something at lower level if xterm also fails
04:42<Snadder>Damn. I'm fucked! :-(
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04:43<eXo2k>jm_ you right about one thing i figured it out though
04:43<Chron>i have qmail on my server and it worked, but now i am getting messages in log files "deferral: Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/", and i cannot connect to port 25 of my server, but i can recieve mail by connecting to port 110, regarding to netstat command server does not listen on port 25, could anyone advice?
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04:43<Snadder>firefox: Depends: iceweasel (< 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1.1~) but 2.0.0.13-0etch1 is to be installed
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04:43<Snadder>WHy's that?
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04:45<___Wesley>How useless was that
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04:45<alfadir>jm_: hmm no xorg packages.. well well
04:45<jm_>alfadir: lso check for fontconfig and the likes
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04:53<Snadder>Anyone know why I cant install firefox after I upgraded from etch to lennY?: http://pastebin.ca/994300
04:54<Skrat>Uhhhh
04:54<Skrat>Isn't it called Iceweasel?
04:55<jm_>remove firefox package
04:56<Snadder>http://pastebin.ca/994301 <-- This is whats happens then
04:56<Snadder>And iceweasel dosnt work..
04:57<Snadder>Just crash when I start it
04:57<jm_>dpkg -P firefox
04:57<Snadder>dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove firefox which isn't installed.
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04:57<jm_>run apt-get update
04:58<Snadder>done that 10 times last hour.. did it again now
04:58<jm_>then find out which URL it's trying to use
04:59<Snadder>http://pastebin.ca/994303 <--
05:00<jm_>apt-get --print-uris install foo
05:00<jm_>you already have newer version installed
05:01<Skrat>Someone should so badly make a package called 'foo'
05:01<Skrat>just to annoy people who make examples
05:01<Snadder>what should I replace with foo?
05:01<alfadir>jm_: could it be a matter of changing freetype -> xtt .. ? or is that a dead end ?
05:01<jm_>iceweasel
05:02<Snadder>Skrat, have you seen the package "sl" :-p
05:02<jm_>alfadir: where was that change?
05:02<Skrat>Snadder; what does that do?
05:02<jm_>sl is teh rox
05:02<alfadir>jm_: no, but i will change with dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf
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05:02<alfadir>to try it out
05:02<Snadder>Skrat, install and check
05:02<Snadder>jm_, firefox: Depends: iceweasel (< 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1.1~) but 2.0.0.13-0etch1 is to be installed
05:02<Skrat>Snadder; noo
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05:03<weasel>so you screwed up your system by putting testing stuff onto your stable system
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05:03<weasel>and now you want to go back
05:03<alfadir>jm_: thanks .. ill play around a bit more..
05:03<weasel>well, shouldn't have broken it in the first place
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05:03<Snadder>jm_, sorry: apt-get --print-uris install iceweasel displays: iceweasel is already the newest version.
05:04<Snadder>and apt-get --reinstall --print-uris install iceweasel displays: Reinstallation of iceweasel is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
05:04<Snadder>Maybe I should try another mirror..
05:04<jm_>Snadder: no, it's because there is no such version in lenny
05:04<jm_>Snadder: grb .14 from sid
05:04<jm_>grab*
05:04<Snadder>.14 of what?
05:05<jm_>iceweasel obviously
05:05<weasel>um
05:05<Snadder>Skrat, its a train which goes over the screen.. cool when you do typo on "ls" :-p
05:05<Snadder>Hm
05:05<weasel>so he broke his system by mixing stuff and you tell him to mix it even more?
05:05<weasel>good god
05:05<jm_>no, he upgraded to lenny ...
05:06<jm_>Snadder: did your upgrade go smoothly?
05:06<weasel>he shouldn't have
05:06<Snadder>jm_, when I search for iceweasel I dont get any .14 package
05:06<jm_>Snadder: like I said, it's in sid only
05:06<weasel>also, I bet he didn't
05:06<Snadder>jm_, no.. I had full root disk.
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05:06<jm_>Snadder: well doh, fiunish the dist upgrade first
05:06<Snadder>jm_, so I had to delete old kernel modules to finnish the dist upgrade.
05:07<Snadder>jm_, thats done
05:07<jm_>Snadder: ok then install iceweasel from sid manually or using pinning
05:07<weasel>it's just getting worse and worse
05:07<Snadder>huh??
05:07<Skrat>Snadder; lol...
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05:08<Snadder>jm_, why should I install something from sid?
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05:08<jm_>Snadder: because it fixes security holes
05:08<Snadder>dosnt lenny have iceweasel?
05:08<jm_>old version
05:08<Skrat>What security holes
05:09<jm_>the ones listed by mozilla org.
05:09<Snadder>How can I install it from sid?
05:09<Snadder>what should I put in sources.list?
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05:09<jm_>download the deb using packages.debian.org and use dpkg
05:09<Snadder>jm_, and then they remove iceweasel from the mirror.. because of that?
05:09<jm_>it will be much faster
05:09<jm_>Snadder: it isn't removed from the mirror at all
05:10<Snadder>Why cant I install it then?
05:10<Skrat>bai
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05:10<Skrat>Later guys
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05:10<jm_>because it is trying to instlal version which does not exist in lenny, I already said that
05:10<jm_>try dpkg -P iceweasel and then see if it will go and install it
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05:11<Snadder>jm_, http://pastebin.ca/994310
05:11<jm_>Snadder: remove all those packages in one go
05:14<Snadder>O_o.. it works to install iceweasel.. but it still dosnt work.
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05:14<Snadder>Sorry.. iceweasel still dosnt work
05:14<jm_>that must be some other shit happening then
05:14<exo2k>jm_: i just need ipw3945d, any alternative to my problem?
05:14<jm_>exo2k: install it?
05:14<Snadder>When I start it.. I get: loaded md5.js, Segmentation fault
05:14<Snadder>even firefox3 dosnt work
05:14<themill>exo2k: what's up?
05:15<Snadder>which is just a plain normal binary
05:15<Snadder>something is fucked up!
05:15<jm_>maybe remove this md5.js stuff/package
05:15<exo2k>themill, trying to get my wireless card installed, i just get a dependency error with ipw3945d
05:15<Snadder>jm_, which package is that?
05:15<jm_>exo2k: stop using the binary from lenny/sid with stable ...
05:15<themill>!tell exo2k about ipw3945
05:16<jm_>Snadder: I have no idea - it's your system
05:16<exo2k>jm_ ok.
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05:16<jm_>exo2k: ipw3945d is also available in stable
05:16<themill>exo2k: what kernel are you running? (uname -r)
05:16<exo2k>i know which kernel
05:17<exo2k>2.6.18-6-686
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05:17<themill>exo2k: are you mixing lenny/sid with stable? Don't do that. Everything you need for ipw3945 is in stable, but you need to add non-free to your sources.list if you've not already.
05:18<Snadder>jm_, any way to check whats wrong with my stystem?
05:18<Snadder>jm_, I suspect the "full root disk" fucked up my system
05:18<exo2k>it says add contrib and non-free entries in your sources list
05:18<jm_>Snadder: maybe, try starting iceweasel with a different user
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05:18<exo2k>nm~
05:18<yo>s xp?
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05:18<themill>exo2k: if you're putting non-free in yours sources.list then you may as well add contrib too :)
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05:19<exo2k>i did :<
05:19<themill>exo2k: actually, the kernel module itself is in contrib so you need contrib too.
05:19<alfadir>jm_: xfontsel shows the fonts.. i guess it does not render them as they does not look so nice
05:19<exo2k>i got it now
05:20<exo2k>yay
05:20<exo2k>-.-
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05:20<jm_>alfadir: use gtkfontsel instead
05:20<alfadir>ok
05:20<exo2k>themill & jm_ ty.
05:20<themill>np
05:20<matt__>i need info i want to play DVDs but it dont seam to work any ideas?
05:20<Snadder>jm_, dosnt work..
05:20<Snadder>jm_, i'll try a reboot.. maybe that helps.
05:21<jm_>Snadder: no
05:21<Snadder>okay
05:21<exo2k>i was trying to avoid mixing unstable sources, bad google info :<
05:21<jm_>Snadder: reinstall all packages then
05:21<matt__>im using the r2 not r3 by the way
05:21<Snadder>jm_, does it matter that I deleted my kernels module directory?
05:21<Snadder>jm_, how can I do that?
05:21<alfadir>jm_: they are visible in gtkfontsel but also very jagged, does not seem to be ttf rendered. otherwise they are much smoother
05:21<jm_>Snadder: probably not for this problem -- /msg dpkg reinstall
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05:22<jm_>alfadir: that sounds like fontconfig issue
05:22<exo2k>woot
05:22<alfadir>jm_: ok
05:22<exo2k>its working now ^^
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05:22<themill>exo2k: excellent. You should always avoid mixing debian releases. If you really really want a couple of things from a newer release than you currently have, then look /msg dpkg backport
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05:24<exo2k_>awesome guys.
05:24<StarkD>I'm trying to use dvdbackup. What should I choose at "-i device"? Where is a DVD mounted? Is it mounted?
05:24<jm_>try /dev/cdrom
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05:26<StarkD>I haven't got that folder but /media/cdrom/ exist. it's empty though
05:26<jm_>it's a file ... maybe you have /dev/cdrom0 or 1 or ... depending on how udev decided to name it this time
05:27<jm_>also check /etc/fstab
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05:28<StarkD>ok, this one then "/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0"
05:28<sal200394>hi
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05:29<sal200394>hi kevin
05:29<sal200394>nobody hear me?
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05:31<batman>ghgf
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05:31<StarkD>nothing happens now. no complaints and no action... "dvdbackup -i /dev/scd0/ -o /home/folder/ -M"
05:32<Snadder>jm_, lots of packages gets this message: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the libdns22 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
05:32<Snadder>I try to remove the package.. and another package pops up.
05:32<jm_>Snadder: file or file list?
05:32<Snadder>Just one package pops up at a time
05:33<jm_>does it say file or file list?
05:33<Snadder>It dosnt say anything about a file or file list
05:33<Snadder>I did: aptitude reinstall '~i'
05:34<jm_>paste the error on some paste site
05:34<Snadder>http://pastebin.ca/994323
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05:35<jm_>Snadder: uhm something's fucked in /var/cache/apt I think - try removing all *files* in there, or better yet, move them somewhere
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05:36<prem>hi all..
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05:36<Snadder>jm_, cant I just do: apt-get clean?
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05:36<jm_>Snadder: no
05:36<Snadder>ok
05:37<Snadder>E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
05:37<prem>is there a way to create a usb install image for debian from windows..?
05:37<jm_>I said remove files ...
05:37<Snadder>ok
05:37<jm_>and you deleteed everything
05:37<prem>I came across many tutorials for creating a usb install image from an existing linux partition..but i want to create one from windows..
05:38<prem>is it possible..?is there any such tutorials for that..
05:39<Snadder>jm_, files in every directory?
05:39<jm_>Snadder: no! just in that dir!
05:39<lente>how can i save the all endings (data.ending) with a shellscript?
05:39<jm_>prem: read d-i
05:39<Snadder>jm_, directly in /var/cache/apt/ there was just pkgcache.bin srcpkgcache.bin
05:39<jm_>prem: d-i docs, i.e. install guide
05:39<jm_>Snadder: yes
05:39<Snadder>and it didnt help to move them
05:39<jm_>Snadder: you still get that error?
05:39<Snadder>yeah
05:40<jm_>hmm strace apt
05:41<Snadder>rename("/var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates.new", "/var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates") = 0
05:41<Snadder>The last line with any file info in
05:42<jm_>strace -o /tmp/str.txt apt.... then grep for libdns
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05:44<Snadder>jm_, write(2, "write(19, \"Package: libdns22\\nUn"..., 53) = 53
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05:45<jm_>Snadder: is that all? we'lre looking for file operations
05:45<Snadder>jm_, it was 6 other lines with other libdns packages.. no file operations
05:45<jm_>Snadder: how do you know?
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05:47<Snadder>jm_, check the result here: http://pastebin.ca/994330
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05:49<StarkD>which program would you recommend to do a raw backup of a DVD? (not rip) I just want the DVD on my hard drive, not doing any codec remakes and such. A folder with all the content of the DVD
05:49<jm_>I used vobcopy
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05:50<jm_>Snadder: maybe we need strace -f then
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05:51<suiside>StarkD: well frankly, cp would do the job
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05:51<StarkD>suiside: really? how?
05:51<mrpouet>hi
05:51<prem>jm_, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd ..the procedure is given for an existing linux partition only..am searching for a installtion from windows hdd
05:52<prem>not a net install also..
05:52<suiside>StarkD: if you actually just want a backup of the files on the DVD
05:52<suiside>StarkD: ever looked at the contents of a standard movie dvd?
05:52<jm_>prem: no it's not
05:52<Snadder>jm_, I need -ff
05:53<StarkD>suiside: with .vob files and stuff?
05:53<jm_>prem: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en 4.4.2. Copying the files — the flexible way
05:53<jm_>cp will not decrypt them
05:53<suiside>StarkD: yup
05:54<Snadder>jm_, /tmp/str.txt.5274:stat64("/var/cache/apt/archives/libdns32_9.4.2-10_i386.deb", 0xbfccea2c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
05:54<Snadder>jm, and: /tmp/str.txt.5274:stat64("/var/cache/apt/archives/libdns32_1%3a9.4.2-10_i386.deb", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=491254, ...}) = 0
05:54<Snadder>should I remove one of these files?
05:54<suiside>StarkD: mplayer and vlc for example can play the vobs directly, no magic there
05:55<prem>jm_, this usb installation is also given for a already running linux system..I want to know a way from windows..!!?
05:55<jm_>prem: windows has copy command too
05:55<jm_>Snadder: try that
05:56<StarkD>suiside: ok, but what command should I use then? with vobcopy I get "[Error] Hmm, weird, the dir video_ts|VIDEO_TS on the dvd couldn't be opened". Its copy protected I guess
05:57<suiside>StarkD: or vobcopy searches in the wrong place, read the manpage, I've never used vobcopy myself
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05:58<StarkD>suiside: "cp: cannot create special file `/home/folder/scd0': Operation not permitted"
05:59<suiside>StarkD: what did you try?
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06:00<Snadder>jm_, I removed the libdns package.. and now I cant see any files for the other packages aptitude reports error on
06:00<tingle>suiside: touch /home/INSERT.USERNAME.HERE/scd0
06:00<StarkD>suiside: cp -prv /dev/scd0 /home/folder/
06:00<Snadder>strace dosnt show any
06:00<Snadder>jm_, what are you trying to do?
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06:01<suiside>StarkD: mount the dvd first *then* copy the files =P
06:01<tingle>StarkD: ignore the previous line lol
06:01<tingle>my line i mean ofc
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06:02<suiside>StarkD: if you want to do a diskimage you'd want dd, not cp
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06:03<suiside>I assumed you just wanted the files copied over, "I want the DVD on my hard drive" is a very vague statement
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06:04<StarkD>hehe, sorry. I'll give dd a try
06:05<jm_>Snadder: hmm but why does it think the files are there
06:05<jm_>Snadder: try apt-get clean too
06:06<suiside>StarkD: mkisofs might also be an option, mount the dvd and create a isofs from the mountpoint
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06:07<Snadder>jm_, which files is it looking for?.. the cached files in the archive?
06:07<Snadder>apt cache archive?
06:07<StarkD>suiside: sigh, how do I use dd then?
06:07<suiside>StarkD: '
06:07<suiside>read the manpage
06:07<Snadder>jm_, damn, I hate problems which fucks up my system :-(
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06:09<jm_>Snadder: I thought it's in pkgcache, but you deleted those right?
06:09<Snadder>yep
06:09<StarkD>suiside: I got cp to work after mounting the DVD. Is there any differnce using dd?
06:09<Snadder>Now I tried to upgrade all packages with apt-get instead
06:10<Snadder>jm_, it atleast starts to download stuff now
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06:10<Lon>rebyat, tut russkie imeyutsya v nalichii&))))))))
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06:10<jm_>Snadder: what did you use before?
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06:11<Snadder>jm_, aptitude reinstall '~i'
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06:11<jm_>Snadder: did we strace aptitude or apt-get?
06:12<Snadder>aptitude
06:12<Snadder>but I turned on stracing of proccesses started by aptitude too..
06:13<jm_>hmm I am not sure if aptitude keeps cache in those files
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06:14<suiside>StarkD: dd, when a device node is used as a infile creates outfiles with a copy of the filesystems of the source device, cp copies files normally
06:14<Snadder>jm_, well. strace of aptitude returned /var/cache/apt/archives/libdns32_9.4.2-10_i386.deb
06:14<Lon>ok, i'm sorry
06:15<mysuppe>hello guys
06:16<suiside>StarkD: it really depends on *how* you're using dd, it's a very basic but versatile tool
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06:20<JustSoul>hell o
06:21<tingle>hello
06:22<JustSoul>I hav problem with usb on some PCs: USB ports are not powered, and devices don't detecting at all, in BIOS everything ok, ubs works at MS Windows.
06:22<JustSoul>*usb
06:22<JustSoul>every PC have i815 chipset
06:23<jm_>Snadder: yeah I mean pkgcache.bin
06:23<jm_>JustSoul: welcome to the wonderful world of technology where Intel is involved
06:24<JustSoul>jm_: ?
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06:28<yy>HELP
06:28<yy>?
06:28<JustSoul>!ask
06:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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06:31<yy>who can help me on c programming?
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06:32<yy>who want to help me on c promming on debian 4.0?
06:32<sas67>morning
06:32<yy>hi
06:33<sas67>another noob question
06:33<yy>i have a problem on c programming
06:33<sas67>im wanting tosave a config file
06:33<sas67>how?
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06:33<yy>i use printf(.....) but the output generate inf, why?
06:33<JustSoul>sas67: where? config file of what?
06:34<sas67>db.config
06:34<jurg>yy: Wrong channel :)
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06:34<sas67>exploring updating b4rt
06:34<yy>which channel should i go to?
06:34<sas67>but need to save db-config-file (inc/config/config.db.php)
06:35<JustSoul>yy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printf
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06:35<sas67>im presuming save to another directory away from b4rt
06:35<yy>no one here?
06:35<yy>i am a cs student
06:36<yy>i want help here, if not here, where should i go?
06:36<ohcibi|lappi>my webserver is connecting to db 100 times... how can i determine which process connects to the db? when i do netstat -a i can see nothing
06:36<jm_>ohcibi|lappi: netstat -nap if it's via sockets
06:36<jurg>yy: #c on freenode / efnet
06:36<jm_>or lsof
06:37<yy>but how to go there?
06:37<yy>i a newer to irc
06:37<JustSoul>yy: /connect irc.freenode.org; /join #c
06:38<yy>thak u!
06:38<muep_>yy: you need to connect to a freenode server and join the #c channel there. Exact instructions depend on your irc client
06:38<ohcibi|lappi>hmm there are many connections to port 3306 but the connections shown on the db-server are different random ports
06:38<yy>thanku all! thanks!
06:39<Snadder>My /usr is full.. is it safe to delete locales I dont use from /usr/share/locale ?
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06:40<Snadder>jm_, apt-get ended with: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for dpkg, probably a dependency cycle.
06:40<mysuppe>hello guys
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06:41<pchgo>hello
06:41<JustSoul>I have problem with USB on some PCs (i815E): USB ports are not powered, and devices don't detecting at all; in BIOS everything ok; USB works at MS Windows. How to fix it?
06:42<pchgo>How to compile C# pro in debian?
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06:46<pchgo>quit
06:46<pchgo>Quit
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06:46<exo2k>hahaha
06:49<jm_>Snadder: run dpkg --pending --configure
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06:49<Snadder>jm_, nothing happend
06:50<jm_>Snadder: is coreutils installed?
06:51<themill>jm_: filled /usr
06:51<jm_>themill: yes he had that before
06:52<Snadder>jm_, no.. before I filled /
06:52<Snadder>Now I filled /usr
06:52<jm_>Snadder: blah
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06:52<Snadder>Kinda strange.. since I have a /usr of 5gb
06:52<jm_>themill: how did you know it's /usr?
06:53<jm_>Snadder: is this desktop?
06:53<Snadder>Yep
06:53<Snadder>jm_, because I just said so :-p
06:53<jm_>why don't you just use / and /home?
06:53<jm_>ahh fuck, I missed that
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06:54<themill>jm_: because I'm damned good... not only do I have lart-over-ip working, I've also got esp-over-ip working. That and: [11:39] <Snadder> My /usr is full.. is it safe to delete locales I dont use from /usr/share/locale ?
06:54<Snadder>jm_, because i'm used to make an own /usr
06:54<jm_>themill: :P
06:54<themill>:)
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06:55<Snadder>jm_, coreutils is installed
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06:56<pchgo>Hey.who can tell me? compile c# pro
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06:58<Snadder>I cant understand how my system got this fucked up.. I thrusted aptitude to upgrade it without fucking everything up.
06:59<Snadder>I'm atleast happy about that xchat still works.
06:59<jm_>uhm you think apt shall handle full / or /usr gracefully?
06:59<Skrat>Snadder; what happenned?
06:59*Skrat rm -rf's his server
06:59<Snadder>jm_, sure.. it shouldnt fuck up my system because of full disk.. then it should stop and say so..
07:00<Skrat>!security
07:00<dpkg>Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ends March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>.
07:00<Skrat>Why non free? :|
07:00<Snadder>Skrat, I upgraded from etch to lenny.. had full root disk.. and lots of packages dont work as it should.
07:00<jm_>Snadder: yeah right, everyone will tell you to restore from a backup
07:00<Skrat>Snadder; downgrade?
07:00<Skrat>Just restore, yeah
07:00<Skrat>!gender
07:00<dpkg>I'm hermaphroditic
07:00<Skrat>!gender
07:01<Skrat>!gender
07:01<Skrat>Blah
07:01<Skrat>!gender
07:01<dpkg>I'm sexless
07:01<Skrat>HAh.
07:01<Skrat>so much for female
07:01<Snadder>How can I downgrade?
07:01<Snadder>I dont want to install everything again.
07:01<jm_>don't do that now
07:01<Snadder>from scratch
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07:02<Snadder>OK
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07:02<Skrat>Snadder; why not?
07:02<zakame>!imap
07:02<dpkg>hmm... imap is (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and portions thereof.
07:02<Skrat>!pop3
07:02<dpkg>POP3 is a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. An evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not. See <fetchmail>. telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails; user foo; pass ****; list; retr 1; dele 1; quit. Also see RFC1939
07:03<zakame>are there any imap server comparisons?
07:03<Snadder>jm_, then what to do?
07:03<Skrat>!ieteral gender
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07:04<Skrat>!literal gender
07:04<dpkg>"gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)"
07:04<Skrat>Lol
07:04<Skrat>!literal gender[2]
07:04<Skrat>!gender[2]
07:04<Skrat>!gender(2)
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07:04<SlayerXP>Skrat: you have our permission to play with the bot via /msg
07:04<jm_>Snadder: reinstall but make sure it has enough space
07:04<Skrat>Aww, thanks. x-P
07:04<Skrat>Sorry, SlayerXP
07:05<themill>Skrat: quite missing with the bot. On both channels.
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07:05<Skrat>Quit* fine
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07:05<Skrat>o.o
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07:06<Skrat>!google
07:06<dpkg>well, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com
07:06<Skrat>Whoops, sorry
07:07<Snadder>jm_, dont tell me its impossible to fix an installation that is fucked up because of full root
07:07<jm_>Snadder: i am not
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07:08<themill>Snadder: When it is apt that got screwed up in the middle of a run, that's about the worst possible scenario though.
07:09<Snadder>themill, how can I make sure thats not the case?.. with reinstalling apt?
07:09<Skrat>Lol.
07:09<Skrat>Aptitude can remove and install apt-get, yes? :|
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07:09<Skrat>Just get rid of EVERYTHING apart from aptitude. :P
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07:10<Snadder>I just reinstalled apt
07:10<Snadder>:-)
07:10<Skrat>Cool
07:11<Snadder>http://pastebin.ca/994377 <-- Now this is happening
07:11<Snadder>E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for dpkg, probably a dependency cycle.
07:11<Skrat>Reinstall; or restore
07:12<Snadder>I've been trough alot more than this before.. after an upgrade.
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07:18<jscinoz>hmm
07:18<jscinoz>Is it possible to kill a runaway process that ignores all signals?
07:19<themill>kill -9
07:19<jscinoz>I've got totem using 100% CPU, ignoring all signals and surviving an X restart :(
07:19<jscinoz>tried it
07:19<jm_>jscinoz: what state is it in?
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07:19<themill>the process can't ignore a -9 state... but the kernel can choose not to pass it on if it's in a D state, for example.
07:19<themill>signal*
07:19<themill>bah
07:19<jscinoz>one moment
07:20<jscinoz>the state is the second colum of output (after the PID) given by ps ax correct?
07:20<jscinoz>column*
07:20<themill>yeah
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07:20<jscinoz>"?" is what it says
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07:21<themill>no, third column, sorry
07:21<themill>second column is the TTY
07:21<jscinoz>DNl
07:21<jscinoz>last character is lowercase l
07:21<jscinoz>L
07:21<jscinoz>*sleepy*
07:22<themill>jscinoz: from man ps ("PROCESS STATE CODES"):
07:22<themill> D Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)
07:22<jscinoz>so it truly is uninterruptable?
07:22<jscinoz>because its been going for hours and i can't restart this machine as i'm backing up a few hundred GB over duplicity (and it would seem you cant resume interrupted backups with duplicity)
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07:23<themill>it's in the middle of doing IO that hasn't failed or timed out. It should be possible to kill it as a general rule... but if it's waiting for disk access then it can be uninterruptable.
07:23<jscinoz>hmm
07:24<jscinoz>the file it was playing was only 20mb, and it was stored locally so it couldnt be taking that long
07:24<jm_>I think they will soon merge a patch in kernel for this situation
07:24<jscinoz>and its been 4+ hours since totem crashed and got stuck like this
07:24<jscinoz>any solutions other than a reboot?
07:24<themill>No, it shouldn't be like that.
07:24<themill>:(
07:24<jscinoz>what if i killed the parent process..
07:24<sander>jm_, now I removed every package that apt-get couldnt find in lenny..
07:25<sander>jm_, gdm had to go..
07:25<sander>I installed it again
07:25<themill>jscinoz: probably wouldn't help.
07:25<sander>Well.. I did apt-get autoremove.. and it removed gdm and a bunch of other packages.
07:25<Skrat>LOL
07:25<Skrat>it removed GDM
07:26<jscinoz>themill hmm, well one other question then
07:26<jscinoz>i went over the man page and googled it, it is impossible to resume a failed backup with duplicity correct?
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07:26<sander>Did someone code lenny in the sleep or something?
07:26<sander>I've heard about people driving cars in sleep.. so why not code :-p
07:27<themill>jscinoz: no idea. never used it.
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07:27<jscinoz>>_<
07:27<jscinoz>guess i have no choice but to reboot
07:28<jscinoz>thanks anyways
07:28<themill>jscinoz: you said that both source and target directories are local disks?
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07:28<themill>jscinoz: i.e. no usb or nfs in volved?
07:28<sander>do anyone know about another browser that I can install with apt?
07:28<themill>(or fuse or ntfs3g etc etc)
07:28<sander>than firefox
07:28<sander>and mozilla
07:28<jscinoz>themill, there wouldnt be a target disk as its just playing a h264 encoded movie stored on a local ext3 volume
07:29<themill>jscinoz: ahh sorry. I thought it was duplicity that was wedged.
07:29<jscinoz>nope totem :P
07:29<jscinoz>duplicity is why i'd rather not reboot
07:30<jscinoz>thanks anyways, off to reboot >_<
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07:30<themill>jscinoz: Reading a file off a local volume like that shouldn't send things into a D state.... that sounds bad. Perhaps schedule an fsck... too late...
07:30<noflash>!tell sander -about pdo
07:31<sander>noflash, I dont have a browser to check that webpage out with
07:31<noflash>apt-get install links or links2
07:31<kcynice>hi, my debian's font is very thin, so my eyes are too tired
07:31<sander>Need to install one first.. and firefox is fucked up.
07:31<sander>ok
07:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 361] by debhelper
07:32<jm_>iceape is graphical browser
07:33<o_coqui>my swap memory is never used, and the RAM is full, how i can activate the swap?
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07:33<jm_>o_coqui: what does swapon -s say?
07:34<sander>Ok.. now I atleast have a decent browser
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07:35<o_coqui>used 0 priority -1
07:35<jm_>so it's active
07:36<o_coqui>yes, but it's never used
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07:36<jm_>probably not needed then - also check your swappiness setting
07:36<o_coqui>i dont think so
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07:37<HaMMiE>good afternoon to all
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07:37<o_coqui>when i use the iceweasel (firefox) the RAM is close to be fully used and the system come to be unstable
07:39<o_coqui>and the mouse pointer goes crazy
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07:43<sander>Wow.. after I restarted gdm.. firefox works!
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07:44<sander>But I still get this message from apt-get: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for dpkg, probably a dependency cycle.
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08:04<alfadir>works..
08:04<alfadir>was the intel driver.
08:05<alfadir>thanks
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08:05<alfadir>jm_: it was the intel driver that destroyed my fonts.. debian bug 451791
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08:14<jm_>ahh EXA issue, somehow I now remember this
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08:30<padski>iceweasel has no nose
08:30<padski>sorry, I see it now
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08:33<atari_>привет мне кто нить напишите плз
08:33<padski>!ru
08:33<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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08:35<atari_>Кто знает про debian больше чем основные команды?
08:35<jm_>!grounding
08:35<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
08:35<jm_>atari_: ^^^^^^^^^
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08:36<lastnode>that's russian
08:36<atari_>do you speak Russia?
08:36<jm_>no
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08:36<lastnode>atari_: no, im afraid not. try #debian-ru, if there is one
08:37<themill>#debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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08:39<atari_>jm_: what?
08:40<atari_>DO YOUR SPEAK RUSSIAN?
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08:40<betelgeuze>atari_ no, sorry
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08:41<atari_>betelgeuze: NO :(
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08:49<me>does anyone of u know a good software to record a desktop movie. i had once a software which was console based and did the job fine. but i forgott the name :(
08:50<lastnode>me: apt-cache search scren capture
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08:50<lastnode>*screen
08:50<themill>me: apt-cache search record desktop
08:50<lastnode>what themill said :)
08:51<themill>me: many of them are only in lenny/sid though so you would probably need to backport them. /msg dpkg ssb
08:52<jm_>it's on d-m too
08:52<me>thx guys ill try it
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09:04<Christmas>is there a way to reconfigure apt?
09:04<Christmas>i have problems updating debian lenny
09:04<lastnode>Christmas: dpkg-reconfigure?
09:04<petemc>try to be less vague
09:04<lastnode>oh
09:04<padski>Christmas, what error do you get ?
09:04<Christmas>ty i'll try that
09:04<lastnode>that's just /etc/apt/sources.list
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09:04<lastnode>Christmas: no, wait!
09:04<Christmas>no error, it just won't fetch the upgrades
09:05<lastnode>Christmas: what do you mean it wont fetch the upgrades?
09:05<padski>Christmas, what undesirable output do you get ?
09:05<themill>!doesn't work
09:05<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
09:05<Christmas>apt-get update is successfully
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09:05<Christmas>but for about one week no upgrades are available and i think it's related to some configuration files, /etc/apt/preferences maybe?
09:05<Christmas>i tried searching the forums also
09:06<lastnode>Christmas: have you tried aptitude?
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09:06<Christmas>no, not yet
09:06<lastnode>that reminds me though
09:06<lastnode>time for an upgrade
09:06<Christmas>it's the same
09:06<themill>Christmas: can you please pastebin the output of: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
09:07<Christmas>yes...
09:07<Christmas>wait
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09:08<Christmas>http://paste.debian.net/1393/
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09:08<Christmas>it looks ok, but i know upgrades were released each and every day, and now it's been a week since i get this same message
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09:10<Christmas>i'll also paste 'dpkg-reconfigure apt' output
09:10<themill>Christmas: have you tried a different mirror? Perhaps the .ro mirror is not updating.
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09:11<Christmas>no, because it was always updated
09:11<lastnode>that's proably it, what themill said
09:11<Christmas>but i can try that too
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09:11<Christmas>in the meanwhile, here is the other output http://paste.debian.net/1394/
09:12<padski>Christmas, are you sure there are updates you do not have. eg: you didn't apt-cron and forget
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09:12<Christmas>well i guess you were right.
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09:12<Christmas>looks like the romanian mirror had no updates, but the finnish one works ok
09:13<themill>Christmas: Mirrors are sometimes like that :( (the .au mirror is particularly bad...)
09:13<bighornram>i can't send messages over yahoo with pidgin. firewall on or off. any suggestions plz.
09:13<Christmas>thank you for the time and help themill, padski
09:13<themill>Christmas: no worries. Have fun with it!
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09:15<padski>enjoy!
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09:18<lastnode>bighornram: are you behind a proxy?
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09:19<lastnode>bighornram: and try #pidgin, debian is an os, not an im client
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09:20<p4>!debian
09:20<dpkg>it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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09:21<bighornram>lastnode: i know that, i tried pidgin but they say there is no issue with pidgin, i have this problem on my home network, am travelling now on hotel network same problem. home i was able to use miranda (windows client) with wine. i am new install and would prefer using pidgin.
09:21<p4>can any one send me a undernet sever
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09:22<padski>p4, in the post ?
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09:23<lastnode>p4: irc.undernet.org
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09:23<lastnode>bighornram: yahoo is weird with protocols. id try googling, or gettign the latest pidgin tarball
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09:24<bighornram>been googlin on and off for several weeks about it. good idea about new tarball. will try that. thanks.
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09:30<p4>lastnode: thank you very a lot
09:30<p4>:D
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09:40<p4>how can i set the cam on kopete its showin' green screen
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09:42<pleb2>Hey all
09:42<pleb2>How do i get my PCMCIA wifi card to work with debian lenny??
09:43<pleb2>!wifi#
09:43<pleb2>!wifi
09:43<dpkg>it has been said that wifi is a silly name for 802.11 wireless networking. `Wifi' should have been a proper spec, like USB, and we'd have a few chipsets which would all work. Instead it was whizz-bang, let's include half-arsed encryption in the protocol spec, oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption which breaks everything, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset again with changes to make it non-interoperable. Bah.
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09:43<pleb2>!pcmcia
09:43<dpkg>PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable.
09:43<padski>!bah
09:43<dpkg>i heard bah is everyone's other favourite word (see heh)
09:44<gsimmons>pleb2: What wireless device do you have?
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09:44<pleb2>a fair-old standard card
09:44<pleb2>Netgear WG511
09:45<pleb2>i get all the scrap kit to use in work ;)
09:45<gsimmons>!tell pleb2 -about wg511
09:45<gsimmons>pleb2: Depending on your card's revision, you may/may not be in luck.
09:45<pleb2>Good luck if you have a WG511v2.
09:45<pleb2>I do have a V2
09:45<pleb2>am i doomed
09:45<pleb2>should i just not bother?
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09:48<gsimmons>pleb2: I don't believe there's a native driver available (it's based on a Marvell chipset). This should work with ndiswrapper however.
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09:53<pleb2>yacky
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09:59<pleb2>gsimmons Ive sorted ndiswrapper and got the windows driver from the website
10:00<pleb2>carnt find the .inf file :(
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10:02<gsimmons>pleb2: Try searching the ndiswrapper wiki regarding appropriate driver sources for your device.
10:02<margiolas>how i can define the device to the dhcp server, i added the interfce at /etc/default/dhcp-3, but the problem stills
10:02<RoboShim>Hi all. Can anyone tell me, how to make architecture-dependant DEPENDENCY in debian/control file? For i386 I need a list of libraries and correct linux-headers package, for amd64 I need ia32-libs and other linux-headers package. I have tried to search HOWTOs, but have not found anything.
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10:04<pleb2>gsimmons i think ive got it, found it in the wine C directory
10:04<pleb2>it says installed hardware : yes
10:04<pleb2>but it isnt working
10:04<pleb2>module configuration information is stored in /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
10:04<pleb2>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
10:05<pleb2>is the error ive got in terminal
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10:05<pleb2>is ndiswrapper in non-free respoitory, could i have all the toolkit / source etc, but no ndiswrapper?
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10:06<gsimmons>pleb2: You'll need to compile a 'ndiswrapper-modules-*' package using module-assistant.
10:06<gsimmons>!tell pleb2 -about ndiswrapper one-liner
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10:08<pleb2>Thats lovely
10:08<pleb2>can you explain why its removing 87 packages
10:08<pleb2>including gnome??!?
10:08<b9b>hi there everyone
10:09<b9b>i'm installing a system right now, used debootstrap to do it
10:09<gsimmons>pleb2: Not without a description of your current problem.
10:09<gsimmons>!tell pleb2 -about bat
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10:09<b9b>all went fine, but now at the boot setup i'm having issues
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10:09<b9b>anyone here knows how to set up grub with lvm2?
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10:15<the-dude>b9b: whats the problem?
10:16<b9b>well
10:16<b9b>i'm trying with the grub-install command
10:16<b9b>here is the output:
10:16<b9b>grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt/etch /dev/cciss/c0d0
10:16<b9b>Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
10:16<b9b>expr: non-numeric argument
10:16<b9b>/dev/mapper/mirror-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
10:16-!-b9b was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
10:17<Skrat>!gender
10:17<dpkg>I'm lesbian
10:17<Skrat>HAH. I win.
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10:17<b9b>sorry
10:17<padski>!tell b9b about pastebin
10:17<Skrat>Don't apologise, just remember
10:17<Skrat>!paste
10:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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10:17<b9b>yeah, i do, don't worry
10:18<Skrat>Cool
10:18<b9b>did you get the last line saying does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
10:18<b9b>?
10:18<Skrat>"[15:16:56] <b9b> /dev/mapper/mirror-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
10:18<ircMonkey>Hi,
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10:18<b9b>yeah, that's the last line
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10:19<b9b>maybe should i paste my grub config?
10:19<Skrat>I'm afraid i dont use grub
10:19<Skrat>Sorry
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10:19<b9b>what do you use to boot?
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10:19<b9b>anything that knows lvm better? :-p
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10:20<umbra>does anyone know where the motherboard in an ibook is located?
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10:20<cahoot>beneath the keyboard?
10:20<petemc>above the back
10:20<Skrat>Indeed, cahoot.
10:20<petemc>its a fucker to get at
10:20<Skrat>Wait, what generation? G3 or G4?
10:20<umbra>g3
10:20<Skrat>And why would you want to get at it?
10:20<petemc>there are plenty of guides to opening them
10:21<umbra>i already opened it
10:21<Skrat>In that case, i think it's behind the screen, as petemc
10:21<Skrat>as petemc said*
10:21<Skrat>But yeah, why do you want to get at it? oo.
10:21<umbra>that makes sense
10:21<Skrat>Indeed
10:21<umbra>the computer that im taking apart is in like the death rattle
10:22<umbra>i think maybe there is a bad connection
10:22<Skrat>Lol.
10:22<ircMonkey>Any information about the following printers, if they work fine or not (I allready visited the linux printing page): brother hl-5250dn, laserjet p2015, samsung ml-3051dn.
10:22<Skrat>Last time i used a G3 was in '98
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10:22<umbra>lol
10:22<umbra>i inherited it
10:22<Skrat>ircMonkey; what did the page say about them?
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10:22<Skrat>umbra; as did i with mine. :P
10:22<umbra>put debian on it
10:23<umbra>ran much better after that
10:23<umbra>:)
10:23<Skrat>I wasn't into linux back then. Heh. :(
10:23<pleb2>!wpa
10:23<dpkg>i guess wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
10:23<umbra>actually this is the same computer that i was asking for help with yesterday
10:24<ircMonkey>Skrat: perfectly, (but not verified).
10:24<Skrat>Ah.
10:24<ircMonkey>Skrat: all of them are more or less postscript3
10:25<Skrat>Well, seeing as Debian has a hl-something package (I uninstalled it, i know its there) i'm pretty sure hl-something printers would work
10:26<ircMonkey>Skrat: I have a hl-something, now, but it's getting very old
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10:26<pleb2>Ive got my wifi card working (finally) how does one connect to a network with WPA????? is there not a network browser?? or anything like that??
10:26<p4>!network
10:26<dpkg>This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together.
10:26<pleb2>?
10:26<p4>how can i connect with other pc on windows
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10:26<p4>*with
10:26<p4>?
10:26<mysupper>pleb use samba.
10:27<pleb2>P4, can you explain your question? if your trying to just access shares, you can do already
10:27<pleb2>use konquror and type : smb://username@pcname.fulldomain.com/sharename
10:27<pleb2>put in your pass
10:27<pleb2>and you can see the files :)
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10:27<mysupper>p4 make them in the same network and set samba and you will get thtem.
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10:28<pleb2>Ive got my wifi card working (finally) how does one connect to a network with WPA????? is there not a network browser?? or anything like that??
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10:33<padski>!wpa
10:33<dpkg>from memory, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
10:33<pleb2>read that
10:33<pleb2>and the site,
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10:33<pleb2>it doesnt help one little bit :(
10:34<padski>a network browser. like network neighbourhood in windows ?
10:34<padski>or nmap ?
10:34<pleb2>it could be summed up by replaceing what dpkg says with " From memoryl, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. Wpa is kinda supported in debian since Etch
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10:34<pleb2>hmm
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10:34<pleb2>is there no List of available access points
10:34<padski>pleb2, can you ping the gateway ?
10:34<pleb2>padski i carnt do anything
10:34<pleb2>;)
10:34<padski>iwconfig
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10:35<pleb2>as root?
10:35<RoboShim>I am not sure, if I can ask for source debian package creation here, or is there any other channel? I need to make one source package to build binary package for i386 and amd64, but with different depenedencies. For i386 I need some libraries, but for amd64 I need package ia32-libs (which contains the same libs as for i386 but in 32bit mode). Does anyone know how to write this kind of Depends?
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10:35<padski>!rfp
10:35<dpkg>well, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: "
10:36<padski>pleb2, iwconfig is in sbin, so probably yes
10:36<padski>pleb2, (I don't have a wifi system in front of me)
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10:38<RoboShim>padski: thank you, is it system to request debian maintainers to make package for me?
10:38<RoboShim>I would like to make the package myself ...
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10:43<pleb2>Can i not use Kwifimanager to connect to a WPA network?
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10:48<FoxM>Hi. How can i install Opera 32 bits on lenny 64 bits?
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10:49<buffoon_work>FoxM, you can use the 9.5 beta which supports 64bit or use a 32bit chroot
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10:51<FoxM>buffoon_work: How can I use chroot? I tried the latest snapshot for 64 bits, but java or flash are impossible to make them work... flash I do not care, but I do need some Java Applets, and thus I need a Java environment. I have java 32 bits installed and it works ok
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10:54<jthomas>I've build FFMPEG with checkinstall but it doesn't have its libavdevice.so.52 nor a fwe others; shouldn't checkinstall be putting these in the correct places?
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10:55<buffoon_work>FoxM, i really recommend you to use a 32bit chroot then
10:56<buffoon_work>FoxM, http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html
10:56<FoxM>buffoon_work: Thanks... *starting to readd*
10:56<buffoon_work>np
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11:32<tq|Memphis>hi , i did installation php , but it doesnt work (i'm newbie if you help me you have to tell me basicly :P )
11:33<tq|Memphis>need help :(
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11:34<tq|Memphis>i did ./configure and make install (php)
11:34<tq|Memphis>but i dont know how it starts
11:34<tq|Memphis>and i'm sure it doesnt start
11:35<tq|Memphis>and i'm sure it is not started
11:35<rockstar>tq|Memphis, Why not just use the debian packages?
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11:36<tq|Memphis>i used but i have to start it
11:36<tq|Memphis>installation has completed
11:36<rockstar>Also, if you just need a LAMP stack, there are plenty of HOWTOs on how to install a LAMP stack on Debian
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11:36<tq|Memphis>for example i started postgres by using ./K9postgres start command
11:37<tq|Memphis>rockstar: i did it
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11:37<tq|Memphis>rockstar: do you get my point?
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11:39<famelix>apt0get
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11:39<famelix>como que eu intalo o firefox no famelix?
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11:40<famelix>alguem sabe como?
11:40<padski>!br
11:40<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:40<rockstar>tq|Memphis, php is not a daemon. You'll have to run it through a web server or something.
11:40<rockstar>For instance, apache
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11:41<padski>!php
11:41<dpkg>methinks php is ask me about <install php> <php5> <php4 security> <php wants me to download still> <php mysql> <xampp> <phpmyadmin>
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11:41<padski>!install php
11:41<dpkg>To install php5 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5; a2enmod php5; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php5, apache-modconf apache enable php5; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php4, use the same instructions but with php4 instead of php5, but ask me about <php4 security> first.
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11:45<amol>hi to all, can any one tell me how to run a script continously & automatically when user goes in runlevel 5
11:46<padski>amol, users do not have runlevels, init does.
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11:46<padski>amol, perhaps man inittab
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11:46<padski>amol, or perhaps you want cron
11:48<amol>padski: i wrote a script and wanted to make in package if user installed dont require to do any thing like editing cron..just automatically script has to run
11:48<padski>!nmg
11:48<dpkg>well, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/, or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>
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11:49<padski>amol, packages can include the installation of cron jobs
11:49<amol>padski:how can we do this?
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11:50<padski>amol, see the nmg factoid above. or
11:50<padski>!mentors
11:50<dpkg>from memory, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
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11:56<padski>http://manuals.info.apple.com/
11:56<padski>I laughed :-)
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11:58<sander>Whats the name of the gnome calculator?
11:58<padski>is it not gcalc ?
11:59<sander>I cant find gcalc in lenny
11:59<griffix>it's gnome-calculator :)
11:59<cahoot>gcalctool?
11:59<sander>thanks
11:59<padski>what he said. still turns up when you do apt-file find gcalc.
12:00<griffix>found thanks to Alt+ F2
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12:01<padski>griffix, I'm in kde. Alt+F2 was an underwhelming experience
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12:01<griffix>huhu ^^
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12:02<jean-baptiste_>salut
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12:05<padski>!fr
12:05<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org.
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12:14<umbra>ok my computer starts up sometimes now but even when it does
12:14<umbra>it freezes in the boot up
12:14<umbra>what piece of hardware might be causing this?
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12:16<witte>umbra: what are the last messages you see on your screen
12:16<witte>umbra: anything can be the cause...
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12:18<umbra>hmm
12:18<umbra>ill tell you where the bootup usually stops when it does it again
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12:20<umbra>for about and inch and a half on the right and an inch on the left i get these thin flashing bars
12:20<umbra>and then slowly color distortion starting in the corners
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12:23<witte>umbra: on your screen? is the screen ok? and is it configured correctly?
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12:24<umbra>its an ibook laptop
12:25<umbra>im led to believe its a connection to the screen
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12:25<Gollum>umbra : It might be that : can you test with an external screen ?
12:27<umbra>i think i want to do that
12:27<umbra>i dont have the stuff to do that with me now though
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12:28<Gollum>:/ ... then i guess we can't go much forward....
12:28<umbra>no
12:28<umbra>ill work on that later though
12:28<umbra>thanks for the help
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12:30<padski>!ibook
12:30<dpkg>rumour has it, ibook is a decent PPC based laptop with good hardware support under Debian Sarge and later. See http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ for various installation links
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12:31<bony>how to convert an normal date like 'wed apr 23, 10:12 pm' to a string something like 1206406860
12:31<bony>using the date command
12:31<OneBlooD>not sure
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12:33<hingwah>bony, there is a format specifier to print seconds since epoch, check the man page of date
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12:34<wnd>bony, 'date -d "foo" +%s', but naturally that only works with date formats date recognises
12:34<themill>date -d "Wed Apr 23 10:12 pm" '+%s'
12:34<themill>bony ^^ remove the comma and that format works ok. date is pretty forgiving usually
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12:35<bony>themill, hehe ok
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12:36<bony>ok now i get it so the string that i am going to get is n seconds from 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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12:37<sander>Anyone know a package to convert ps files to pdf files.. in etch there was a program named ps2pdf?
12:37<bony>themill, can i give it like date -d "2008-04-23 22:18:00 UTC" '+%s'?
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12:37<themill>bony: did you try it?
12:38<bony>themill, no but just though if it works or not
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12:38<themill>sander: ps2pdf is in gs-common -- apt-file is your friend.
12:39<bony>themill, it gave me an out put don't know weather it right or wrong
12:39<sander>I search with apt-file... Ah. I forgot to do apt-file update
12:39<bony>themill, 1208989080
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12:39<sander>themill, why does apt-file update give me: Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz
12:40<themill>bony: since that's a pretty standard format it should be right. But type in the current time and date in that format and also give date +%s to see the current date directly.
12:40<padski>sander, 404 Not Found
12:41<sander>Any reason for that?
12:41<bony>themill, date -d "2008-4-23 22:18:00" '+%s'
12:41<sander>How can I fix it?
12:41<bony>themill, this thing works
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12:42<padski>sander, for what it is worth, there seems to be no equivalent file for stable
12:42<themill>bony: yep. Check the output of, for example: date -d "2008-04-23 16:43:00 UTC" '+%s'; date +%s
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12:42<themill>^^ that's comparing "now" as date sees it with "now" typed in the format you want.
12:42<amol>padski: i have pasted my script at http://pastebin.com/med9374b...i edited /etc/rc.local and added a line sh /etc/myscript.sh ..this script is running continously in background but the command what i wrote in script i.e. gnome-screensaver --lock not running
12:43<amol>padski:if i run same script as #sh /etc/myscript.sh & then it is locking screen whenever i am attaching usb device.
12:44<themill>amol: I'll guess that you need to have DISPLAY=:0 before gnome-screensaver-command
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12:44<bony>themill, ok
12:44<padski>amol, there is hotplug infrastructure you might want to look into
12:45<amol>themill:means ? i am not getting DISPLAY=:0
12:45<themill>DISPLAY=:0 gnome-screensaver-command --lock
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12:46<themill>amol: but this is truly the most ugly way of doing it you could come up with.
12:46<sander>padski, stable?.. I dont have stable.
12:46<padski>amol, man environment
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12:47<padski>sander, sorry that it is not an answer to your problem. but this file seems not to exist in the security feed for etch and woody. I'm guessing the prog shouldn't be rtying to get it.
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12:49<sander>padski, wtf.. is lenny that unstable?
12:51<padski>sander, not in my experience, no.
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12:57<padski>but then I find this in my password file: "## List of All Dictionaries to be Loaded by OpenOffice.org ..."
12:57<padski>:-)
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12:58<bony>themill, and how to convert the date in seconds to a readable format?
12:58<bony>that means the decoding part :-)
12:59<padski>any suggestions on how I got that kind of damage ?
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13:02<amol>themill: then also it is not working if i run manually script then it is locking.
13:03<fxiny>in your /etc/passwd ? you should be crying loud , not smiling like that :P
13:03<amol>themill:what i have to add in script so that if it is running in backgroung using /etc/rc.local file,so that when usb device connects it should lock the screen.
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13:04<amol>themill:if my script is runniag as daemon then it is not able to run gnome-screensaver-command --lock.
13:05<padski>fxiny, it is mostly vm that I occasionally use to try stuff out.
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13:10<fxiny>padski: right : still that line sounds strange
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13:12<padski>fxiny, I had a dozne or so lines down to "## This file is automatically updated by update-openoffice-di" no final lf
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13:12<fxiny>padski: in /etc/passwd ?
13:13<padski>fxiny, that was was the whole file
13:13<padski>and shadow looked like binary garbage
13:13<tq|Memphis>!installation php5
13:13<tq|Memphis>!install php5
13:13<tq|Memphis>omg what was the command for it?
13:14<tq|Memphis>it tells how to install php5
13:14<tq|Memphis>!dpgh php5
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13:15<padski>my libstdc++6 is gone, and when I try to dpkg -i it
13:15<tq|Memphis>!dpkg php5
13:15<padski>I get "files list file for package `proll' is missing final newline"
13:15<tq|Memphis>what is the bot command?
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13:16<tq|Memphis>i have fish memory
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13:16<padski>I can also boot into this vm natively where I use it to host qemu/kvm
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13:17<padski>the file /var/lib/dpkg/info/proll.list is a bit hard to believe also.
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13:18<tq|Memphis>!install php
13:18<dpkg>To install php5 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5; a2enmod php5; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php5, apache-modconf apache enable php5; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php4, use the same instructions but with php4 instead of php5, but ask me about <php4 security> first.
13:18<amol>padski:why not gnome-screensaver-command --lock is getting run through a daemon what i have created.?
13:18<tq|Memphis>yes!
13:18<padski>amol, huh ?
13:19<amol>padski:same one is working if i craete background process?
13:20<padski>amol, you tried what themill said ? set DISPLAY
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13:20<amol>padski:yes.
13:20<padski>amol, maybe it is X authentication related ?
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13:21<memphis>hi
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13:21<tq|Memphis>hi
13:21<amol>padski: iwant to lock screen whenver i connect usb.
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13:23<padski>amol, yes I gathered. I don't have an easy answer, sorry. you are close with what you are doing, although you will want to refine it. JUST TO TEST try turn xauth off
13:24<Shinn>I downloaded no-ip to debian with aptitude
13:24<Shinn>how do I open it so I can login to it
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13:25<memphis>sa
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13:25<tq|Memphis>.
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13:25<padski>amol, in fact try just running the gnome-screensaver-command --lock from the command-line in the enviroment you plan to run it from.
13:26<padski>g'night all.
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13:26<amol>padski;on terminal it is working fine .but if i am running it in a daemon then not working.
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13:28<pcc>I'm having a problem opening documents in openoffice via galeon. I always get a new document. this is because galeon invokes ooffice without a file name, but I am not sure why. the mailcap entries for openoffice seem to be ok
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13:29<themill>amol: the way you have that script set up, it is running as root and root doesn't have permission to lock your screen like that.
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13:30<amol>themill: i am testing it for normal user only
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13:30<amol>themill:i have logged as normal user
13:30<themill>but you are running it from rc.local, aren't you?
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13:32<amol>themill: yes...
13:33<themill>so it is being run as root.
13:33<amol>themill:what should i do to run a script by normal user?
13:34<amol>themill: i am trying to run this script automatically whenever normal user logins
13:34<amol>themill: how i can do this?
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13:38<Shinn>I downloaded no-ip to debian with aptitude
13:38<Shinn>how do I open it so I can login to it
13:38<themill>amol: Your entire approach to this is mad. It's the wrong way to do a pretty bone-headed thing. To start it as a normal user, look into su or (better) use a user's crontab with an @reboot job. Or even better, do this as a udev event. Or even better, work out wtf you're trying to do this and do something more sensible.
13:39*weasel made something like that in .. oh 2003?
13:39<weasel>it was a fun experiment, but still an ugly hack
13:40<themill>weasel: you were probably doing the opposite though (at a guess). *Unlock* on insert, not lock on insert.
13:40<weasel>lock on removal
13:40<weasel>same thing, really
13:40<weasel>it's just a udev event
13:40<themill>weasel: this is lock on insert.
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13:41<weasel>so?
13:41<amol>weasel,themill:how to make udev event?
13:41<themill>weasel: so it probably wasn't what you were doing in 2003.. you were probably doing something much more sane ;)
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13:42<weasel>amol: figure it out yourself. asking on irc will just annoy people.
13:42<weasel>you can't expect us to do the homework for you, for something most of us think is stupid to begin with
13:42<themill>!udev
13:42<dpkg>udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>
13:42<weasel>also, I have successfully suppressed most of these memories
13:42<weasel>I'm not going to dig them up again
13:43<themill>:)
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13:48<tq|Memphis> On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php5, apache-modconf apache enable php5;
13:48<tq|Memphis>what does it mean "On apache"?
13:49<themill>If you want php to be used with apache.
13:49<tq|Memphis>k
13:49<themill>(as opposed to some other httpd)
13:49<fxiny>like apache2 ;)
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13:50<norbert_>hi, does anyone know a moderately good, free speech recognition system for Linux?
13:50<norbert_>I tried sphinx2, but it's pretty bad
13:51<fxiny>like festival ?
13:51<tq|Memphis>!install php
13:51<dpkg>To install php5 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5; a2enmod php5; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php5, apache-modconf apache enable php5; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php4, use the same instructions but with php4 instead of php5, but ask me about <php4 security> first.
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13:52<fxiny>seen ? apache and apache2
13:52<norbert_>fxiny: no, I need it the other way around... speech recognition, not text recognition
13:52<tq|Memphis>no
13:52<norbert_>(speech to text, not text to speech)
13:52<tq|Memphis>fxiny get ready to help me ? :)
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13:53<fxiny>tq|Memphis: can't . we don't do php this side ofthe moon ;)
13:53<tq|Memphis>:P
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13:54<norbert_>VoxForge, Julius, CMU Sphinx, HTK, Xvoice, Open Mind Speech, Flite, GnomeVoiceControl
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13:56<luckylin>i need to add the debian main contrib non-free repository for my debian distro...i'm having trouble finding the info on how to do that, anyone know where the repository info is?
13:58<fxiny>!sources.list
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13:58<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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14:00<luckylin>i need the main contrib non-free repository, i want to add to the sources.list but i dont know what the address
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14:02<simonrvn>you just add them on to ones already present
14:02<simonrvn>the official debian ones
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14:03<luckylin>i dont know where to find them i dont know what to write
14:04<simonrvn>scroll up a few lines and look at what the bot (dpkg) said
14:04<luckylin>deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib <---- i need one of thoughs for main non-free contrib
14:04<simonrvn>"thoughs"?
14:05<simonrvn>add non-free at the end of that...
14:05<luckylin>my sources.list has no main non-free contrib
14:05<luckylin>ok
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14:05<tq|Memphis>yuppi it works!!
14:06*simonrvn hands luckylin some reading glasses
14:06<fxiny>tq|Memphis: amaznig yes : it works even if you don't read any manual :)))
14:06<fxiny>tq|Memphis: :)
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14:09*fxiny spots the old fly in the ointment : security and non-free :P
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14:09<luckylin>thanks, that worked...i needed that because i'm using module-assistant to install nvidia kernel
14:09<luckylin>because my xorg doesn't start
14:10<luckylin>so i'm gonna reboot and try that again
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14:12<norbert_>everything should work without requiring people to read manuals
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14:13<fxiny>vi and emacs ?
14:13<tq|Memphis>again got a problem about mysql :D gogo /j #mysql beg for help
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14:13<norbert_>fxiny: everything except vim ;-)
14:14<fxiny>norbert_: :)
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14:16<fxiny>norbert_: can sphinx2 get basics words/commands like cd , ls , less file right ?
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14:17<norbert_>fxiny: well, from the few tests I've ran, it seems not even understand simple numbers... but I'm not a native speaker, maybe that's the problem
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14:19<fxiny>norbert_: i would love playing with basic gnu like those : no need for a full dictionary
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14:30<Mrkva>hi... anyone know, whether I have a chance to get headphones detection working with Realtek ALC861-VD integrated sound card?
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14:43<jjavaholic>any guys around that can tell me where can i get pidgin for debian?
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14:45<Mrkva>jjavaholic, it's simple :) it's not pidgin, but pigdin :))) i've did same mistake few days ago :)))
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14:52<suiside>jjavaholic: pidgin is still called gaim in etch, in backports there's a package under the pidgin name
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14:59<^sw3tt_ginger^>helloo can u help me something here
14:59<^sw3tt_ginger^>how can i used this in dalnet
14:59<^sw3tt_ginger^>helloooo
14:59<Mrkva>^sw3tt_ginger^, what?
15:00<^sw3tt_ginger^>coz i'm using ubuntu here in irc
15:00<^sw3tt_ginger^>and i can;t figure out how can i connect in dalnet
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15:00<^sw3tt_ginger^>i;m using voodoo linux
15:00<^sw3tt_ginger^>and this messaging is differnt
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15:01<^sw3tt_ginger^>it called Konversation
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15:01<^sw3tt_ginger^>do u know something about it
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15:01<^sw3tt_ginger^>whew*
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15:29<fantonio>Hi helpme
15:29<fantonio>?
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15:34<Mrkva>fantonio, don't ask to ask
15:34<Mrkva>just ask :)
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15:35<fantonio>Sorry
15:36<Mrkva>fantonio, so, what's your problem?
15:36<Mrkva>:)
15:37<fantonio>I needed to learn how to work with the distribution of debian?
15:38<fantonio>I am Brazilian and tried on the Debian community here in Brazil but not successful the Debian Project CDD is stopped.
15:38<fantonio>tgfi
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15:39<fantonio>With this information because today I am an administrator of Linux systems using the Debian distribution.
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15:44<Guest1424>list
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15:45<fantonio>list
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15:46<hachi>is there a generic store location for how urls are handled on debian?
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15:46<hachi>like, 'what application do I call when a user uses a mailto link'
15:46<hachi>sort of thing
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15:49<stroyan>hachi: Firefox and other browsers are likely to use /etc/mailcap and ~/.mailcap for handling mime-types. What to use for mail or a web browser can be set with /usr/bin/gnome-default-applications-properties .
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15:50<hachi>grrrr, I told it to launch mutt
15:51<hachi>says 'launch in terminal' 'mutt %s'
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15:51<stroyan>grr, ruff ruff ?
15:51<hachi>and it doesn't
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15:51<stroyan>Does it do nothing, or start evolution, or what ?
15:51<hachi>doesn't do squat that I can see
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15:52<hachi>how do these things speak to each other? can I inject fake events
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15:53<stroyan>perhaps the right mutt is not in the path for your desktop. But /usr/bin/mutt is pretty hard to miss. Is it installed?
15:53<hachi>yup, just had it open in another terminal
15:53<hachi>closed it because you can't run concurrent copies
15:54<hachi>or at least, I thought you couldn't
15:54<hachi>heh, you can run more than one, that's nifty
15:54<stroyan>Well, the good news is that I can duplicate the problem with mailto in firefox.
15:55<joe_br>hi
15:55<Skrat>http://tinyurl.com/55hx7e <--
15:55<stroyan>(I often run multiple mutts on different mail folders.)
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15:58<stroyan>hachi: See http://www.cinlug.org/node/325
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16:00<fantonio>/nick_fantonio_br
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16:08<stroyan>hachi: I wonder if you and I have the same problem. Mine is tricky. I run a 32-bit iceweasel in a schroot from a 64-bit system. The mailto links work if I use the normal 64-bit iceweasel.
16:09<hachi>well, my problem is a little worse than that
16:09<hachi>I'm running FF3 B5, and trying to get mutt to run
16:09<hachi>so who knows wher the interaction is
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16:13<sander>When I do: apt-get --reinstall install debconf debconf-i18n .. I get: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debconf-i18n
16:13<sander>When I reinstall the packages seperately.. it works all fine.
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16:15<hachi>stroyan: it seems like the actions taken by firefox to determine what protocol handler to use is badly muddled
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16:15<hachi>undocumented, and unknown
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16:16<stroyan>The about:config settings certainly look like the way. But you may have to hunt around for the right details on FF3.
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16:19<hachi>this is what the ff people are telling me
16:19<hachi>but I want system global
16:19<hachi>not profile
16:19<hachi>I use multiple profiles, and multiple computers
16:20<hachi>this is just annoying to say "yeah, you have to configure it manually in any case you want it to work"
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16:23<sander>dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | grep -E "^[d-z]" | xargs -L1 apt-get -y --reinstall install <-- I added -L1.. maybe that works
16:23<dpkg>ii | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | grep -E "^[d-z]" | xargs -L1 apt-get -y --reinstall install <-- I added -L1.. maybe that works 1.7-1 sander's private gamp collection
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16:28<fanto666>hello, what is the name of package containing kernel modules for intel 3945 wifi in sid? (i686)
16:28<sander>whats up with dpkg?
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16:28<sander>repeating what I just said
16:28<sander>almost
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16:28<the-me>kalango, please stop querying me..
16:29<stroyan>What you said did start with "dpkg". If you address it by name you should expect some reply.
16:29<Skrat>dpkg!
16:29<fanto666>it's ipw3945-modules-* in etch, but I seem to be unable to find anything similar in sid (was searching '3945')
16:29<Skrat>!gender
16:29<dpkg>I'm pregnant
16:30<the-me>kalango, _stop_ it _now_, thanks.
16:30<stroyan>dpkg --remove dpkg :-)
16:30*dpkg rips the still-beating dpkg :-) from stroyan's chest, leaving stroyan in a coma.
16:30<stroyan>ouch
16:31<valdyn>fanto666: sid does usually have much less precompiled drivers than stable
16:32<fanto666>valdyn: i even don't see any sources ...
16:32<Skrat>What IS dpkg? Is apt-get a frontend to it?
16:32<the-me>http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?509 - could someone please warn the user kalango - he querys multiple peoples with OT stuff..
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16:33<stroyan>Skrat: Yes. dpkg is the true debian package manager. There are several front-ends for it.
16:33<Skrat>Is it harder to use than apt-get?
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16:34<valdyn>Skrat: those tools arent just frontends
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16:34<Skrat>valdyn; define?
16:34<fanto666>I see that firmware ws renamed to iwlwifi but i can't see anything related to 3945... was it added to the kernel?
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16:34<valdyn>Skrat: dpkg knows only .deb files, aptitude does all the dependencies resolution and package fetching
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16:34<Skrat>valdyn; I'll stick to apt-get
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16:36<stroyan>Skrat: apt-get or one of the others is the right answer for most things. But you may want to go straight to dpkg for some operations like dpkg-reconfigure.
16:36<Skrat>What does dpkg-reconfigure do?
16:36<Skrat>Reset everything? :|
16:36<valdyn>Skrat: thats not dpkg, but its a tool that reruns the installation scripts contained within each package
16:36<fanto666>reconfigure a package... packages have their configure scripts
16:37<stroyan>You can get it to repeat installation and with the right options it will repeat questions. It can even ask about settings that were defaulted.
16:37<Skrat>Right
16:37<llin-debian>thanks to the guys that helped me earlier getting my nvidia drivers, i got them and my card works under debian now :-)
16:39<fanto666>where can I get something like base-system.tgz?
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16:39<Skrat>Yep
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16:41<chealer>fanto666: yes
16:41<valdyn>fanto666: why would you want that?
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16:41<fanto666>valdyn: to install on a partition
16:41<valdyn>!debootstrap
16:41<dpkg>from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
16:42<chealer>fanto666: actually a different driver but for the same hardware
16:42<valdyn>fanto666: package is in debian
16:42<fanto666>valdyn: I used to unpack it there, chroot and select packates... thx, I'll try debootstrap
16:43<fanto666>chealer: yes but I only see te firmware, but I don't see modules ... are they in linux-*?
16:43<chealer>fanto666: yes
16:43<fanto666>chealer: thx
16:44<fanto666>hmmm should I backport 2.4 image or move to lenny/sid?
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16:47<stroyan>fanto666: Do you mean backport from 2.6.24?
16:47<chealer>fanto666: what?
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16:49<fanto666>stroyan: backport 2.6.24 from lenny/sid. I have backported ipw3945 modules (1.7.22) to sarge and compiled with 2.6.18... seems it's not easy to do now since they are in kernel
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16:50<leonardo>Hellow people
16:51<Skrat>Hai
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16:51*stroyan doesn't understand the motivation to have sarge with some hybrid kernel. I can't advise what is best for fanto666.
16:51<fantonio_br>hi list
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16:51<fanto666>stroyan: i like having stable system but my dell D830 with its new HW disagrees
16:52<fantonio_br>I needed to learn how to work with the distribution of debian?
16:52<fantonio_br>I am Brazilian and tried on the Debian community here in Brazil but not successful the Debian Project CDD is stopped.
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16:52<fanto666>video/audio/wi-fi... i has to build them all by myself
16:52<fanto666>had
16:52<stroyan>When the hardware is changed to the latest stuff you aren't stable anymore. ;-)
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16:52<fanto666>as stable as possible
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16:54<stroyan>fanto666: http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Download has backports of new iwl3945 drivers to old kernels. All the way back to 2.6.21 ;-)
16:54<Mr-R>fantonio_br: do you have a specific question or are you looking for general advice?
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16:56<fantonio_br>i I need help with a relationship to the Debian project here in Brazil
16:56<fantonio_br>If anyone has any information on how are you?
16:56<dpkg>fantonio_br: mas o menos
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16:59<fantonio_br>dpkg você sabe de algo?
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17:00<Mr-R>fantonio_br: i am sorry, if i point to the obvious. you know http://www.linux.org/groups/brazil.html and http://www.debian-ce.org/ on it?
17:00<martok>While doing the dist-upgrade into testing, it looks like the new imagemagick wants to pull in 42mb of mostly gnome stuff. Is that really necessary or a known issue?
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17:03<fantonio_br>Mr-R tANKS
17:03<bat>come faccio ad andare in ubuntu.it?
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17:04<bat> come faccio ad andare in ubuntu.it?
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17:04<fantonio_br>Mr-R  I did not know.
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17:08<klimy>hi
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17:08<klimy>i have set up wordpress, everything went fine, except i get a blank screen when i login
17:08<fantonio_br>Mr-R is why I asked is that I only knew the initiative debian cdd here from Brazil
17:09<klimy>i checked the apache2 log but there are no errors
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17:11<klimy>anyone had similar experiences?
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17:11<fantonio_br>klimy: In the menu of the administrator of wordpress is check the tab option if your domain is configured properly in this option
17:11<fanto666>which apache2 log? error log?
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17:12<klimy>fantonio_br: this is weird
17:12<klimy>fantonio_br: i can login when i do not use a redirect
17:12<Mr-R>fantonio_br: ok. i just googled for "debian brazil user group"... :)
17:12<klimy>fantonio_br: i use a redirect from blog.mysite.com -> mysite.com/blog
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17:13<fantonio_br>yes klimy
17:13<klimy>somehow i can see the content this way but i cannot login.
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17:15<fantonio_br>Mr-Rt: ok thank you very much, it was not for lack of searching that I asked in the forum ok
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17:17<mazur>Can I move my mouse cursor by keyboard becasue my mouse is interrupted
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17:20<chealer>mazur: yes
17:20<mazur>how can i do that
17:20<fantonio_br>klimy: Its database is okay?
17:20<mazur>i can just use tab,space itc..
17:20<chealer>mazur: which desktop environment do you use?
17:20<mazur>kde
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17:21<chealer>mazur: did you check the mouse menu in the control panel?
17:21<klimy>fantonio_br: well actually it is possible to login with mysite.com/wordpress but not with blog.mysite.com which redirects to mysite.com/wordpress
17:21<klimy>and this confuses me.
17:21<mazur>yes, but nothink
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17:25<HaMMiE>good night to all
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17:25<HaMMiE>i go to my bed to sleep
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17:26<chealer>mazur: you can set it in the Mouse Navigation tab of the control panel's mouse module.
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17:27<mazur>oh yea it is it. than you man :)
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17:45<witte>http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20080422/tc_infoworld/98999
17:45<witte>sun will open source java
17:46<azeem>what
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17:46<witte>completely
17:46<azeem>witte: how is this relevant to this chan?
17:47<witte>azeem: not really, but it will mean that it probably can move from non-free to main in due time
17:47<witte>azeem: and that there will be support for plugins in amd64 maybe
17:47<azeem>they made promises before
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17:50<Shinn>what do you do if you forgot root pass
17:50<Shinn>>_>
17:50<witte>!ifrp
17:50<dpkg>1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
17:51<azeem>this factoid should be rewritten to use grub by default
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17:59<Shinn>how many attempts do I get
17:59<Shinn>before i get looged off
17:59<Shinn>or cut off
17:59<Shinn>or do I get unlimited attempts?
18:00<Shinn>because I know what it is..just some symbole in the end
18:00<Shinn>=.=
18:00<azeem>Shinn: ?
18:00<Shinn>my root pass
18:00<azeem>Shinn: did you read what dpkg wrote above?
18:00<Shinn>I forgot it
18:00<Shinn>yea I didn't get it..at all
18:00<Shinn>=.=
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18:01<azeem>Shinn: then reinstall
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18:01<Shinn>that's the best support I get?
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18:01<Shinn>wow..thanks =)
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18:02<witte>dpkg: ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For Lilo (e.g. pre-sarge): in step 1, 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear). Steps 2-6 are the sa
18:02<witte>me
18:02<dpkg>...but ifrp is already something else...
18:03<witte>azeem: I tried to rewrite it, but i do not know how to tell dpkg to change the factoid
18:04<azeem>witte: "dpkg: no, foo is [...]"
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18:05<witte>dpkg: no, ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For Lilo (e.g. pre-sarge): in step 1, 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear). Steps 2-6 are the
18:05<witte> same
18:05<dpkg>witte: okay
18:05<stroyan>Now the factoid looks a _little_ too long.
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18:05<witte>dpkg ifrp
18:05<dpkg>[ifrp] 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For Lilo (e.g. pre-sarge): in step 1, 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear). Steps 2-6 are the
18:06<witte>stroyan: indeed :(
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18:07<witte>dpkg: no, ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For Lilo (e.g. pre-sarge): in step 1, 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting). Steps 2-6 are the same
18:07<dpkg>okay, witte
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18:07<witte>better :-)
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18:10<Shinn>how do I make grub command line appear
18:10<azeem>Shinn: highlight the kernel you want to boot and hit e
18:11<Shinn>you mean after I reboot
18:11<azeem>yes
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18:11<witte>Shinn: btw, do you have sudo set up on your machine? and do you have sudo rights?
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18:12<Shinn>I'm not even sure what that is
18:12<witte>Shinn: in that case never mind
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18:15<yok>Hi guys.
18:15<yok>Does anybody know where can I go to discuss some issues about netfilter?
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18:16<stroyan>Shinn: If your /boot/grub/menu.lst includes at hiddenmenu option, then you may need to press ESC during boot to see the boot menu.
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18:17<alvarezp>yok, there is a #netfilter and #iptables channel at irc.freenode.org.
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18:17<Shinn>is there a way I can go in as single user and change it?
18:18<Shinn>someone here once told you could
18:18<alvarezp>Hello. I'd like to ask if /var/cache/apt/archives is indexed in any way. (If it is not, I would be able to mount it over NFS on all my virtual machines and save bandwidth.)
18:19<yok>alvarezp: I tried there before, but there those rooms are empty :-?
18:19<stroyan>alvarezp: apt-zeroconf is pretty good for saving bandwidth. It lets several systems compare notes on what debs they have.
18:20<alvarezp>yok, currently 43 and 72 users.
18:20<alvarezp>stroyan, thanks.
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18:21<witte>alvarezp: it is possible to do so (I do it like that) but there are better methods
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18:21<yok>alvarezp: thanks! I'll try to see why I couldn't see no one
18:21<witte>alvarezp: I only use nfs mounts because i am to lazy to set up an alternative method
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18:22<alvarezp>witte, thanks a lot!!!
18:22<Shinn>is there a way I can go in as single user and change it? someone here once told me you could
18:23<witte>alvarezp: have a look at apt-mirror or apt-proxy
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18:25<stroyan>Shinn: The ifrp factoid _is_ how you can go in as single user and change the password.
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18:27<psychobot>any idea how to restore table and database names from lost+found directory? they claim to be able to do this ffor example http://www.transparen.com/mysql-data-recovery/finding-lost-mysql-databases
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18:29<stroyan>psychobot: ouch. It has been a long time since I went fishing in a lost+found directory. And I am not nostalgic about it.
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18:30<psychobot>stroyan: fishing? writing file detection scripts?
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18:31<stroyan>Back in darker days fsck would reconnect lost inodes in there. I was looking through them manually for useful files. That was long ago for me.
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18:32<psychobot>stroyan: yeah this is what im about to start doing! :) what you've been up to recently then?
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18:33<stroyan>making backups ;-)
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18:33<psychobot>stroyan: LMAO!!
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18:36<Henrik>Hello I got a problem with a counter strike server (hlds): Start Line: ./hlds_i686 -console -game cstrike -secure +ip 89.221.167.126 -port 27019 +maxplayers 16 +map de_dust2 -autoupdate -debug -pidfile hlds.23324.pid Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1". I can not fix it can you help?
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18:40<Henrik>The error looks exactly like this. CRASH: Wed Apr 23 22:15:53 CEST 2008 Start Line: ./hlds_i686 -console -game cstrike -secure +ip 89.221.167.126 -port 27019 +maxplayers 16 +map de_dust2 -autoupdate -debug -pidfile hlds.23324.pid Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1". End of crash report
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18:41<Skrat>Hey dudes in general
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18:42<Skrat>Would "debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso.torrent" be a netinstall torrent, for i386, by any chance? :P
18:42<nicvas>Hi all
18:43<nicvas>Hi hope that we can help me?
18:43<Skrat>Hey nicvas
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18:43<Skrat>Whats up?
18:43<nicvas>I use debian usually
18:43<witte>Henrik: you could strace the program
18:43<nicvas>at home and at in my office
18:44<Skrat>nicvas; go on
18:44<witte>Henrik: and do you have that lib file that was mentioned?
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18:44<nicvas>my "office" mail is in an exchange server that not allow imap connection
18:44<Shinn> * When it boots up, mount your root filesystem read-write:
18:44<Shinn># mount / -o remount,rw
18:44<Shinn>how do I do this
18:44<nicvas>I have try with many client
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18:44<nicvas>thunderbird, evoltuion ecc.ecc.
18:44<nicvas>but nnothing
18:44<nicvas>we have any solution?
18:45<witte>Shinn: do you have a shell?
18:45<Shinn>how would I know that I do?
18:45<nicvas>Skrat do u can help me?
18:45<Skrat>What is the problem, nicvas
18:45<Henrik>this is hard think for me sry. But no only the info I give you. And yes : if it's to me
18:45<Skrat>I dont understand...
18:45<nicvas>repeat: my "office" mail is in an exchange server that not allow imap connection
18:45<Shinn>witte
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18:46<Shinn>I need to reset my root pass
18:46<Skrat>nicvas; i see
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18:46<Shinn>!rtps
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18:46<Shinn>=.=
18:46<nicvas>Skrat, i would like to see my email throught an email client like kmail or ecc.ecc.
18:47<witte>Shinn: yes i know your problem, did you reboot and added init=/bin/sh after the grub line?
18:47<witte>!tell Shinn about ifrp
18:47<witte>Henrik: so you have /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1?
18:47<Skrat>nicvas; you should install "dovecot"
18:47<nicvas>on window I use Outlook
18:47<Skrat>It's an imap server
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18:48<witte>Henrik: and what if you run the command, but with the command "strace " before it (probably you need to install it)
18:48<javo>!tell javo about simple sid backports
18:48<witte>!tell javo about selftell
18:48<nicvas>but the office server doesn't allow imap connection
18:48<fantonio>\nick fantonio_br
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18:48<Shinn>'fsck' your root file system how do you do this
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18:49<fantonio_br>hi list
18:49<javo>thanks witte, i didnt know about that operator
18:49<witte>Shinn: fsck /dev/<rootpartition>
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18:50<Henrik>Yes sry. It have bee a hard day :)
18:50<stroyan>nicvas: You may be able to get the mail with http://packages.debian.org/evolution-exchange . But I don't attempt to use that myself.
18:50<Miguel>gpg --edit-key xxxx, then there is 'sign' and 'trust'
18:50<Shinn>Henrik, you're trying to run a CS server?
18:50<Miguel>should I just sign?
18:51<nicvas>I installed this package but without succes
18:52<nicvas>I don't retrieve because my email
18:52<Henrik>Yes But the problem is only if I have to run a UWC mode on it? I have fund som problem on google but all tale it is a Debian problem
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18:52<Henrik>strace = apt-get ?? :)
18:53<Shinn>.sigh good luck
18:53<Shinn>Im trying to run a RO server and dieing here =(
18:53<nicvas>for me the problem is: configure an email client to use mapi
18:53<witte>Henrik: the program is not in debian, so we really can not give a lot of support for it, unless you provide specific information (like providing links that state what that debian problem might be...)
18:53<javo>question: i have lenny. i want to try installing xorg-xserver-core package from sid by simple sid backports. is this operation safe, or should i stay to that packages come into lenny ?
18:53<witte>Henrik: apt-get install strace
18:54<Shinn>witte can you help a noob get his pass back
18:54<azeem>Shinn: 00:47 < witte> Shinn: fsck /dev/<rootpartition>
18:55<Henrik>This strace /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1 or like this ./hlds_run .....
18:55<latitude>does anybode knows how to manage LCD panel from linux?
18:55<Henrik>strace ./hlds_run ...
18:55<nicvas>I searched on google an exchange client for linux "debian"
18:55<witte>Henrik: the strace ./hlds_run
18:55<latitude>I just want the monitor not to stretch the image but use pixel-to-pixel method
18:56<Henrik>Yes :)
18:56<nicvas>but there are few result
18:56<stroyan>Henrik: After you install strace you use strace -f -o reallybigfile a.out args where a.out and args are you problem program. It will output system calls and results to reallybig file. (It will get really big.)
18:56<witte>javo: there is a reason that package is not yet in lenny: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xorg-server
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18:57<stroyan>Henrik: After your program crashes you look through the output file for interesting failures. They best ones are probably at the end of the file.
18:57<Skrat>dmesg | tail
18:57<witte>Henrik: the strace will probably be quite difficult to comprehend. you might want to upload it to a pastebin, and maybe someone here has the courage to check out the real error :-)
18:58<witte>!tell Henrik about pastebin
18:58<nicvas>can we suggest to me how to post a message to receve some feedback about this problem
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18:59<Henrik>I have to be care full so can I try whit strace ./hlds_run or ? :)
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18:59<nicvas>MyProblem: my "office" mail is in an exchange server that not allow imap connection. Do u now any client compatible?
18:59<Skrat>careful is one word
18:59<Skrat>:P
18:59<stroyan>latitude: The details vary with different graphics cards and monitors. If you are lucky you may be able to use xrandr to see available resolutions and set them.
19:00<nicvas>any Forum or google group?
19:00<witte>Henrik: no, it just runs the program, but it will output every call (to standard output if you do it without options) or to a file if you do it like stroyan suggested
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19:02<Henrik>Yes okay, And it's use like this strace -f -o reallybigfile a.out args
19:02<witte>nicvas: isn't evolution compatible with exchange?
19:02<Shinn>.sigh ok I give up...Im going to re-install =(
19:02<Skrat>It's not so bad. :-)
19:02<witte>Henrik: yes, and than the command
19:02<tj_>i have a quick simple question.... Is there a need for a memory upgrade if i have 1gb? i mean the highest i have seen mine use is about 300 mb and never used a single mb of swap.?
19:03<Henrik>yes strace -f -o reallybigfile a.out args; ./hlds_run :P
19:03<witte>tj_: i think you answered your question yourself?
19:03<stroyan>Henrik: "a.out args" is replaced by your command and its arguments.
19:03<witte>Henrik: no ;
19:03<nicvas>yes, witte this is write on evolution specification but I don't know because it doesn't workl
19:03<nicvas>there are any people that can help me to configure evolution client
19:03<witte>nicvas: do you have the package evolution-exchange
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19:03<Henrik>Sry
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19:03<tj_>LOL ... i kinda thought so.... but everyone talks about how much they have... and perviously a win user.. i saw a need in it... but now i just dont... and i didnt want go spending cash on something thats not even going to get used
19:04<nicvas>and wich packege I shall install?
19:04<Henrik>strace -f -o reallybigfile a.out ./hlds_run, My english :P
19:04<witte>Henrik: the ; will make it two commands run after each other, not one
19:04<stroyan>tj_: This week you need to spend lots of money on CPU cache size. And more cores... ;-)
19:05<witte>Henrik: and of course all the options that you mentioned earlier...
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19:05<nicvas>I have evolution and evolution-exchange
19:05<tj_>stroyan, well... notebook system... and its relatively new... so i think i am good.
19:05<witte>tj_: i recently bought a new computer, and they asked at least 3 times "not more than 1 Gig ram?" :-)
19:05<Henrik>Yes I dithen get right sry
19:05<nicvas>now I try to post my error in evolution
19:06<stroyan>tj_: I was teasing a little.
19:06<nicvas>witte, please let me intercept the error
19:06<witte>!tell nicvas about pastebin
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19:07<witte>nicvas: i probably can't help you, as i don't use evolution, and the sysadmins at my university are sane
19:07<tj_>for those that had to listen to me cry about how much load was on my cpu coming from xorg.... and my fglrx drivers... i didnt do anything but it seems to have just been cranky for a couple days... all good now
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19:08<nicvas>good, witte
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19:09<witte>nicvas: but still, put your error in a pastebin, maybe someone can help...
19:09<nicvas>ok
19:09<Henrik>It will but it into the file a.out right ?
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19:10<amphi>tj_: if your programs don't use it, all more memory will do for you is give you more file cache, which is nice, but hardly essential
19:10<nicvas>witte, http://paste.lisp.org/display/59621#2
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19:10<nicvas>this my error
19:10<nicvas>can I change my auth from basic su secure
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19:11<nicvas>because my server allow only secure connection on 443 port
19:11<stroyan>Henrik: It will write into the file after the -o option. You can practice with strace -f -o true.strace true ; cat true.strace
19:11<stroyan>Henrik: That does an strace of the very simple program /bin/true.
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19:12<Henrik>Yes I think I read the help :P But will be back so :)
19:12<azeem>Shinn: maybe that's the best option for you
19:13<nicvas>witte, do u have any idea
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19:13<Skrat>Bloophpbooospfh
19:13*Skrat lol
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19:14<nicvas>when I click on preferences I ottein this message: I don't can read office status
19:14<nicvas>witte, sorry for my many answer?
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19:15<nicvas>witte, in OWA I put my exchage htts link
19:15<nicvas>is it correct?
19:16<nicvas>can I start evolution in debug mode?
19:17<witte>nicvas: sorry, i never used it, but you can try to read here: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=776
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19:22<witte>nicvas: btw, it tells that there is no directory personal/Diario?
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19:22<nicvas>I try to my directory
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19:23<nicvas>witte, is the same
19:24<nicvas>witte, I get the same error
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19:27<Fade_To_Black>Hi I can't get sound-juicer to rip to MP3
19:27<Fade_To_Black>for some reason when I can only choose flac, wav, ogg or speex
19:29<nicvas>witte, i looked that: Therefore, it is a requirement that OWA is enabled on the corporate Exchange infrastructure.
19:29<nicvas>I don't know if OWA is enabled
19:29<nicvas>but I think not
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19:38<new>interpretador de algoritmo alguém conheçe algum para o debian?
19:38<witte>!br
19:38<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:38<new>obrigado e desculpe
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19:42<Henrik>I get past the need info :) http://paste.lisp.org/display/59622
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19:44<Henrik>I hope I got past the needed info*
19:44<Henrik>:)
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20:03<Henrik>Do it help?
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20:19<steve_>does anyone know the exact time ubuntu 8.04 is going to be released
20:19<weasel>you are in the wrong channel
20:19<weasel>this is #debian.
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20:23<steve_>sorry
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20:25<witte>Henrik: sorry, it did not help, at least for me
20:25<witte>Henrik: maybe you should ask this at a channel/newsgroup which supports this software...
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20:38<Guest1439>Does anybody know a channel for wireless? I looked on linuxwireless.org didn't reference one AFAICT, and I have questions about the b43-fwcutter and its usage.
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20:38<Guest1439>*looked on linuxwireless.org <and they> didn't reference one...
20:38<witte>Guest1439: if you are running debian, you can ask here
20:38<Guest1439>Ah, well indeed I am.
20:38<Guest1439>So...
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20:39<Guest1439>After I followed the instructions at linuxwireless.org, I wondered.. How do I get the driver that loads that firmware?
20:39<Guest1439>Is CONFIG_B43 sufficient?
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20:39<witte>Guest1439: on debian you do this:
20:39<witte>!b43
20:39<dpkg>methinks b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. See also <which b43>.
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20:39<witte>and than just load the firmware
20:39<witte>!b43-fwcutter
20:39<dpkg>it has been said that b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 3 and 4 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers. Available as a <contrib> package for lenny and sid. See http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#firmwareinstallation for more details. Not to be confused with <bcm43xx-fwcutter>.
20:40<Guest1439>Oh heh, y'know what, I think I succeded mostly.
20:40<Guest1439>Because my computer's wifi light is lit for the first time ever ;)
20:40<Guest1439>I set CONFIG_B43=y, not =m, so I was confused when I hit up lsmod.
20:40<Guest1439>Um...
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20:40<Guest1439>Do you know what wmaster0_ is under ifconfig?
20:40<witte>which kernel do you have?
20:40<Guest1439>2.6.24 vanilla.
20:41<ircMonkey>Anyone know an irc about post script?
20:41<witte>can you look in the output of dmesg if there is anything on the driver
20:41<Guest1439>Yes, all looks good there. Pastebin in a sec...
20:43<Guest1439>http://pastebin.com/d382c1d8c
20:43<witte>Guest1439: ok, seems to be ok
20:43<Guest1439>And sudo ifconfig:
20:44<Guest1439>http://pastebin.com/d6113569a
20:44<latitude>stroyan: if you have some interest i found some bits in nvidia's READEM.txt, will try after work hours
20:44<latitude>stroyan: and yes, thanks ;-)
20:44<Guest1439>Is eth2 or wmaster0_ my new wireless interface?
20:44<witte>Guest1439: and if you do ifconfig wlan0 up
20:44<Guest1439>I think eth2 is firewire or something... ? :-)
20:45<Guest1439>Ok, one sec.
20:45<Guest1439>No such device.
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20:45<witte>Guest1439: ah, ok it will be eth2
20:45<witte>Guest1439: saw your second paste to late
20:45<Guest1439>Hah, funny output.
20:45<Guest1439>Of course I have a WPA/TKIP network so this will be not quite that simple.
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20:45<witte>Guest1439: /sbin/iwconfig will tell you
20:45<Guest1439>Coooool.
20:46<Guest1439>Heh, looks like I've already tried to set ESSID to the one at home.
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20:46<Guest1439>But I don't know how to discover the current settings (or change them) for using WPA, TKIP, and my passphrase.
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20:47<witte>Guest1439: there are several gui tools: network-admin (configuration), kwifimanager (for checking different networks),...
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20:48<witte>and everything should be configurable through ifconfig and iwconfig
20:48<witte>if you fancy cli
20:48<Guest1439>witte: Thank you very much; I'm a command-line guy usually, so I don't mind cli.
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20:48<Guest1439>I'll peep iwconfig's man page and come back if I'm too dyslexic to figure it out.
20:48<Guest1439>Thank you!
20:49<witte>no problem,you already did everything before you came here
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20:50<Guest1439>Heh, I'll try to be less prepared next time.
20:50<Guest1439>c ya
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20:54<mike>witte: Still here? :-D
20:54<mike>witte: I'm the wireless n00b :-D
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20:55<witte>I am still here, but "the" wireless n00b is quite vague here :)
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20:55<mike>Heh heh, nice.
20:56<mike>So, is Linux capable of connecting to a WPA / TKIP access point?
20:56<witte>!wpa
20:56<dpkg>rumour has it, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
20:56<mike>Verrrrry nice. I'll get reading.
20:57<mike>!tkip
20:57<mike>Darnit, just checking.
20:57<witte>:-)
20:57<zakame>!sliced bread
20:57<mike>!beautiful_women
20:58<mike>Okay, I get it--I can't just have whatever I want by typing a '!' in front of it.
20:58<witte>!beer zakame mike
20:58*dpkg deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for zakame mike
20:58<zakame>hehe :D
20:58<mike>Heh heh, niiice.
20:58<mike>That'll do.
20:58<mike>For sure.
20:58<witte>mmm, for zakame and mike rather, but you get the idea
20:59<zakame>lol
20:59<mike>Indeed, I do.
20:59<mike>You had me at 'beer'.
21:00<mike>That's /almost/ what[ever] I want right about now :-D
21:00*mike drains it.
21:00<mike>Now I just need pizza.
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21:01<witte>!pizza
21:01<dpkg>somebody said pizza was the prime geek fuel supply, if it is greasy. or a functional language for the Java virtual machine or at http://www.math.luc.edu/pizza/, or at http://www.hallopizza.de
21:01<zakame>!japizza
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21:03<mike>Whoa, hallopizza looks like they serve some ROCKIN' pizza!
21:03<mike>Um, say... Isn't iwlist scanning supposed to tell me what SSIDs are around?
21:05<zakame>not SSIDs that are hidden iirc
21:05<mike>True dat.
21:06<mike>I wonder if there's any way mine could be hidden somehow.
21:06<mike>In any case, it is time for dinner.
21:06<mike>I might return for some pointers after I eat and futz with this some more.
21:06<mike>Meanwhile, thanks for the WPA info :-)
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21:21<k-man_>what are process slots?
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21:23<amphi>k-man_: entries in the table of running processes?
21:24<k-man_>amphi, is it possible to run out of slots?
21:24<amphi>I have no idea - I never have, but at most I've had a couple of hundred processes I would think
21:25<amphi>173 here ATM
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21:34<k-man_>ok, thanks
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21:46<rrm>hey guys... hello
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21:47<zakame>hi
21:49<rrm>got my self and issues... the computer slows down and even opening root from gnome take a while... is it gnome the problem?
21:50<cwood>rrm: when does it slow, then?
21:50<rrm>cwood: over all
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21:51<cwood>rrm: Like if you're running console-only (no X), it's slow?
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21:51<rrm>like right now... i booted up, opened xchat and still slow
21:51<rrm>did not try it without x, since i have gdm up
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21:52<cwood>Unless it has always been slow, sounds like a good time to isolate the slowness. Perhaps load up an irc client in a screen session and try with/without X, GNOME, etc.
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21:52<rrm>it could be gnome
21:53<rrm>i have 1.7ghz, with 512 ram
21:53<apostols>bzed, ping
21:53<rrm>feels like when u got alot of apps on
21:53<cwood>No idea, using xfce here.
21:54<rrm>is odd, that even if use fluxbox
21:54<rrm>same thing
21:55<rrm>is not as snappy and fast
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21:55<cwood>What does top claim as using much cpu/memory?
21:55<rrm>i think i will just reinstll and use flux only
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21:55<cwood>Um... why reinstall?
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22:06<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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22:09<marcel>for some reason my 435gb partition with all my work is gone(marked as unallocated), and i need it back ASAP
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22:10<cwood>What does fdisk -l /dev/<drive> tell you about the partition?
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22:15<rrm>cwood... since i do not know how else i could fix it
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22:16<cwood>rrm: You could start by seeing what's the minimum amount of software you can run before your machine gets slow. For example, stop GDM, is it still slow without X? If so, stop a few daemons, is it still slow? Are you showing any errors in /var/log/*? and so on.
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22:17<rrm>cwood what should i look for in there?
22:17<shellclear>how to add themes in gnome-screensaver????
22:18<cwood>rrm: Error messages, things that complain and look like problems.
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22:19<cwood>rrm: /var/log/* often has useful messages. Good time to learn to read them.
22:19<rrm>cwood: nothing out of the ordinary, or at least i do not know
22:19<cwood>rrm: Then possibly try reducing the amount of software you're running, see if that changes something for the quicker.
22:20<shellclear>how to add themes in gnome-screensaver????
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22:21<cwood>shellclear: possibly you have to store the themes in your $HOME somewhere? NO idea, here.
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22:25<shellclear>cwood, it would like to have new subjects. perhaps adding to archives .desktop inside /usr/share/applications/screensaver?
22:26<cwood>shellclear: If you want to install the themes on a system level, perhaps. If you want them for just you, maybe they go somewhere under $HOME. You'll have to consult the gnome-screensaver documentation, possibly in /usr/share/doc/gnome-screensaver.
22:27<shellclear>ok,thanks
22:27<shellclear>;)
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23:42<c500>How can I update my sources.list file? I have tried netselect-apt -n -f ... but I think it was not the correct thing to do I thought is was something like apt-...?
23:42<cwood>c500: I use vim, personally.
23:43<cwood>If you mean update the list of sources, use vi. If you mean get a new list of packages, apt-get update.
23:44<c500>cwood. I don't know which sites to enter. (I have ran apt-get update. I should have mentioned that)
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23:46<c500>cwood, thanks for the dpkg
23:46<cwood>Quite welcome.
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