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00:30<mike>Could anybody help me troubleshoot wireless? I've reset my security to none, basically, to test this out.
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00:30<mike>And, er, it associated, but got an APIPA (169.*) address...???
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00:33<vook>mike: have you tried statically setting the address?
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00:35<vook>mike: try setting the address statically to something within the range of the network, i.e. ifconfig wlan0 netmask, then add the route, 'route add default gw' then set up DNS, you can always use (it's easy to remember).
00:35*vook adds, use for testing only
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00:44<mike>vook: Thanks, one sec...
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00:45<mike>Hey, it works!
00:45<mike>I left /etc/resolv.conf alone tho.
00:45<mike>vook: How do I make DHCP workie?
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00:50<Supaplex>mike: man interfaces
00:50<cwood>Look into man dhcpd.conf
00:50<cwood>Or, what he said for the client side.
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01:19<fer-factor>cual es el canal de ubuntu español???
01:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
01:20<fer-factor>thanks body
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01:20<cahoot>wel that would apply to debian
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01:30<c500>i am attempting to set up ndiswrapper but I do not have "Make sure that /lib/modules/VERSION/build is a link to the kernel source, where VERSION is the version of the kernel you are running"
01:30<c500>how can i do this? or is there a man for it?
01:30<amphi>c500: install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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01:31<sangi>Hi all
01:31<sangi>could anybody help me to add a new theme to kde my desktop
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01:32<jm_>c500: install kernel headers
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01:37<lindinha>como vai
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01:38<lindinha>como vai
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01:38<lindinha> vc ker tc
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01:39<thenumber><Hello World !>
01:40<thenumber>yep !!!
01:40<jm_>shut the fuck up
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01:42<thenumber>duty calls
01:42<thenumber>good bye World have a nice day
01:43<thenumber>lindinha: try to get some english it will be easyer for you
01:44<thenumber>like for me dispite i am from tunisia i try to speak in english
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01:49<manasa>hey all
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01:49<manasa>what is the best first book in algorithms
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01:50<nevyn>Mastering Algorithms in C has a decent reputation.
01:51<manasa>i started with the famous book by thomas cormen and found it too boring (frankly speaking)
01:52<nevyn>it's with c not in c but I've heard good things
01:53<manasa>nevyn: thanks.... :-)
01:53<nevyn>course there's always TAOCP but that's probably heavier going than the thomas cormen thing
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01:56<manasa>the book by knuth?
01:56<nevyn>series 3 books (so far)
01:57<manasa>definitely it is going to be tough......
01:57<manasa>im not going to be a programmer for life....jus some basics to help me through the job before i become a manager ;-)
01:57<nevyn>hrm my plan.
01:58<jm_>don't forget to read about algorithms dealing with picking a tie to match your suit then
02:01*nevyn owns the knuth books.. even if I havn't gotten past ch2 of book 1
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03:05<McAden>Hi, I've got a question about maintaining and keeping debian healthy...I'm using the version of Wine from the lenny repo, but the app I'm trying to run is having some bugs. I know for a fact that Wine v0.9.60 fixes the bugs, but that is not yet in the lenny repo. Somebody told me previously not to install things that aren't in the repo (backporting I think it was called?). Would it be a bad idea for me to install the new one even though it fixes the (min
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03:06<McAden>it says it's for etch, and has the code to add their stuff for Wine to aptitude, but they don't have the link up for lenny
03:06<sep>McAden, i use the .deb s from winehq. and as long as you comment the source line properly so you remember why it's there it's not a big problem.
03:06<sep>McAden, but Dont install pacakges not made for debian on a debian machine
03:07<McAden>"Comment the source line properly"?
03:07<sep>dont mix packages from different versions
03:07<jm_>!simple sid backport
03:07<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
03:07<sep># The following line is to give access to wine debian package from winehq
03:07<jm_>or use that
03:07<sep>so you know what the line is for.
03:07<StarkD> <-- how do you install this GTK theme?
03:07<StarkD>All I get is invalid format
03:08<sep>and if you do exctencive work on the machine like upgradeing to a new versino you comment away all the custom lines
03:09<StarkD>I'm running Debian Etch with Openbox. But that shouldn't make a difference for a GTK theme right?
03:10<McAden>technically would Wine 0.9.60 be a backport? Or is it just that the package maintainer has been busy?
03:11<jm_>yes it would be a backport
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03:12<jm_>it will be in lenny in about 10 days if nothing unusual happens
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03:13<TuxOne>hi all ! I'm a linux a newbie. Is it necessary to have a virus guard for ubuntu??
03:13<McAden>k, I have deb-src in my sources.list - so if I ran "apt-get build-dep wine" it would pick up 0.9.60?
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03:13<jm_>if deb-src line is for unstable then yes
03:13<jm_>!tell TuxOne -about ubuntu
03:14<McAden>k, do I change "lenny" to "unstable"?
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03:28<McAden>what do I change in order to get to the unstable version in the mirror? I changed "lenny" to "unstable" and it said "No such file or directory"
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03:29<jm_>McAden: did you run apt-get update?
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03:31<McAden>oops...did now
03:31<McAden>getting some 404 not found
03:31<jm_>well you should change all of lenny to unstable ...
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03:32<McAden>oh wait, nevermind, those are security src it's saying 404 not found
03:33<jm_>please only do this for deb-src lines ...
03:33<jm_>you are definitely not ready to use sid for everything
03:34<McAden>definitely not
03:34<McAden>I think the #1 thing I'm learning about linux is how little I know :P
03:35<jm_>so change it only for deb-src as dpkg said
03:36<McAden>I didn't change it for normal deb, just deb-src for both my normal mirror, and the security mirror of deb-src
03:38<McAden>oh, should I remove the old version of wine before doing this?
03:38<jm_>right you don't need deb-src liens for security :)
03:38<jm_>not needed
03:40<McAden>oh wow...ok, doing this to wine will install 124 new that safe?
03:41<jm_>what did you run?
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03:42<McAden>apt-get build-dep wine
03:42<McAden>like the bot said
03:42<jm_>did you have any development packages installed before now?
03:43<McAden>hmm...guess I didnt
03:43<jm_>then it is OK
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03:43<jm_>it's easy to get rid of it later if you use aptitude
03:44<McAden>I've got the simple apt-get stuff down...but I still don't want to screw things up like I did before :P
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03:45<jm_>come on, where's your adventurous spirit? :P
03:46<McAden>down the tubes after that last reinstall :P
03:46<McAden>note to self: rm *.* is not a good idea
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03:48<jm_>that doesn't delete everything
03:49<McAden>but it deletes enough :P
03:51<jm_>possibly, depending on whenre you run it
03:51<jm_>modern shells give you the opportunity to expand the command line and show you what exactly will be deleted
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03:55<spq>I'm trying to get sound working on a Medion MD96420 (lspci: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03)) the driver seems to be snd-hda-intel but when loading it i dont get any lines in /proc/asound/cards and dmesg says:
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03:57<jm_>spq: kernel version? what's its PCI ID?
03:57<jm_>ahh 284b stupid me
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03:59<lastnode>is there a howto for ati radeon 200m xpress dual head config?
04:02<spq>jm_, any idea?
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04:02<lastnode>hi lennie
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04:02<lennie>when apt-get install something, how to set apt-get doesn't install recommands and suggests packages
04:02<jm_>spq: it's certainly supported by the driver according to PCI ID list, your best bet would be to search/post on the alsa list, or possibly try the newest ALSA driver yourself (or maybe even 2.6.25 kernel)
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04:04<jm_>spq: -16 is EBUSY, certainly sounds like a driver issue
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04:04<lennie>AFAIK apt-get will install recommends and suggests packages default
04:04<spq>jm_ the problem is that this device has sub devices, codecs which need defferenzt configurations, that the "mother device" is known/supported does not count that much
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04:05<jm_>spq: absolutely, that's why your dmesg output mentions them and that's also why ALSA developers need more than just lspci output when one posts about problems with it
04:05<jm_>lennie: man apt-get
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04:06<spq>jm_, do you know something informative i could add?
04:08<jm_>spq: I think lspci -vx
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04:08<jm_>spq: does google find someone with similar problems?
04:09<lennie>jm_, from man apt-get, I have no idea
04:10<spq>yes, but not very informative, they either switch to oss(funny that it works out of the box) or state that it suddenly works...
04:10<jm_>spq: also search alsa list archives
04:13<jm_>lennie: uhh why do I remember it's possible with apt-get, aptitude supports it
04:13<jm_>spq: not very usefl to me unfortunately ;)
04:13<lennie>I got it
04:13<spq>ok, i think i will try to contact one of the ppl that had the same problem, ask the alsa guys and search/ask on their mailing lists/whatever
04:13<lennie> apt-get install -o APT::Install-Recommends=false foobar
04:13<spq>thanks anyway
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04:14<jm_>ok so I do remember it correctly, but /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz doesn't mention it
04:14<vook>that's strange. Apt-get never install's recommends on my machine.
04:14<lennie>jm_, configure-index.gz doesn't mention it
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04:14<jm_>lennie: yes, unfortunately
04:14<lennie>jm_, :(
04:15<jm_>good thing I switched aptitude ;)
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04:16<McAden>hmm...I haven't watched very closely recently but I don't think mine has been installing recommended or suggested either...only required
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04:17<Rawk->Anyone got a spare moment, got some problems with debian ^^
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04:18<McAden>I probably won't be much help, but I'm sure there are those around who can
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04:18<McAden><-- n00b ;)
04:18<Rawk->problem is that i cant NANO anything
04:19<Rawk->command not found
04:19<dpkg>The error is on line 89373
04:19<zakame>dpkg seems to know the problem
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04:20<Chron>how can I convert mysql5.0 database to mysql4.1?
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04:21<McAden>Rawk-: have you used it previously?
04:21<Rawk->no, setting up a server now, need to conf some files
04:21<jm_>Chron: export and import?
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04:22<Chron>now when i enter my site that uses db it says "SQL error: Incorrect information in file: './forum/ibf_cache_store.frm'"
04:22<McAden>Rawk-: Try pico or vi?
04:22<Chron>jm_: i downgraded mysql-server
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04:23<Chron>any ideas?
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04:24<Chron>i can not repair it
04:24<Chron>it says the same
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04:24<jm_>Chron: you should have thought of this before you downgraded it
04:24<zakame>Chron: you didn't back up?
04:25<Chron>jm_: thank for yuor advice :) if thought about it i would not ask about it now :)
04:25<Chron>zakame: no...
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04:25<zakame>that's a big problem
04:26<Chron>i know. but i heard that database should convert tfrom 5.0 to 4.1
04:26<Chron>but i dont know how
04:26<zakame>can you go back to mysql5 then do an SQL dump on your databases (not mysql system databases, just your applications')
04:27<zakame>then downgrade back to 4.1 and load the your db back in via the dump?
04:27<Chron>it will work?
04:28<zakame>can't say, unless you try :)
04:28<Chron>i am newbie in mysql. can i dump it from shell, not from phpmyadmin?
04:28<zakame>just back up what you currently have in /var/lib/mysql before doing anything?
04:28<jm_>Chron: of course
04:29<zakame>yeah. there should be a mysqldump(1) command or such
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04:33<Chron>and can i do for all databases at one time or db by db?
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04:34<Chron>yes i can :)
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04:36<McAden>hmm...trying to do apt-get -b source wine complains about "no such file or directory" I do a mkdir where it says it's looking and try again?
04:36<zakame>you can do a dumpall but that would pull in system databases...
04:36<jm_>McAden: when does it say that?
04:38<atlantide>i am using debian, i want to creat permanent eth1 virtuel interface somebody have some idea
04:38<Chron>zakame: so, if i dump system databases, it would not work then?
04:39<Chron>atlantide: mcedit /etc/network/interfaces
04:39<jm_>McAden: it should create it by itself
04:39<zakame>Chron: its possible, since the system dbs will almost always have some new feature that would be not be recognized by the older server
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04:39<Chron>or ifconfig eth1:name ip netmask
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04:40<McAden>jm_: I thought it would, but it's throwing that error
04:40<jm_>McAden: try creating it then do debuilg -uc -us -b
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04:42<McAden>bash: debuild: command not found
04:42<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
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04:43<jm_>you can also use dpkg-buildpackage but then you'll need to add -rfakeroot
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04:43<McAden>debuild is in...devscripts?
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04:44<atlantide>i do it but root@sienne:/dev/net# ifconfig eth1 up
04:44<atlantide>eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: Aucun périphérique de ce type
04:47<Chron>atlantide: do you have eth1 configured?
04:47<Chron>not alias
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04:47<GhostlyDeath>I wonder what would happen if I removed every single package...
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04:48<padski>GhostlyDeath, there would be no packages left ?
04:48<McAden>a lot of free diskspace
04:49<atlantide>Chron> i put eth1 config in /etc/network/interfaces
04:49<atlantide>eth1 is not physical card
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04:52<jm_>what's the point of creating one then? you can use dummy interfaces for such purposes
04:52<Chron>so you can not (or i dont know how) create virtual interface with name eth1
04:52<Chron>you can create vlan
04:54<atlantide>am i oblige to create the virtuel card the alias eth0:1 ?
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04:55<Chron>atlantide: it depends on why do you need it :)
04:56<Chron>atlantide: there are two ways: vlan or alias
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05:03<McAden>jm_: debuild is now saying it can't find a readable debian/changelog anywhere
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05:03<jm_>McAden: did you check if there is one?
05:03<McAden>asks if I'm in the source code tree...looking and not finding
05:04<jm_>whoa debian diff is 27M :P
05:04<McAden>found it
05:04<McAden>oops :P
05:05<jm_>it does have debian/changelog - are you building in wine dir?
05:05<jm_>and are you building 0.9.60-3?
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05:05<McAden>It grabbed 0.9.60-2
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05:05<jm_>get -3 - it has amd64 fix
05:06<jm_>the one you were seeing earlier
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05:07<McAden>E: Unable to find a source package for wine_0.9.60-3
05:07<jm_>download it manually from (you need all three files listed at the right)
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05:10<McAden>wine_0.9.60.orig.tar.gz should be the same file right?
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05:14<atlantide>Chron:please can you check thi file i have some pb
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05:22<McAden>ack, I tried using the download accelerator in the lenny repo and it immediately sucked up 1.8 gig of RAM and didn't do anything else
05:25<McAden>"Clam" seems to be the only antivirus in the repo?
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05:32<McAden>is there a better alternative?
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05:34<padski>McAden, better how ?
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05:35<McAden>with wine? still downloading the latest from the package manager
05:36<McAden>er...from the apt-get
05:36<Nazcafan>I need to resynchronize my system clock with an internet clock, but I think there are two packages : one just sets the system clock on startup and the other one is a daemon that resyncs from time to time
05:36<Nazcafan>Which one is the first one ?
05:36<Nazcafan>because the syncing in the second one causes vlc to pause for a while watching movies
05:37<padski>McAden, AV to keep your wine clean ?
05:37<McAden>oh, AV was just for general security purposes
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05:38<padski>McAden, the main duty for AV on linux is scanning data bound to/from windows boxes.
05:39<padski>McAden, but emulation is obviously going to be an interesting twist
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05:40<padski>McAden, just saw that and it looked interesting, no idea what happenned next :-)
05:40<McAden>Nazcafan: Unless I'm mistaken (and I AM still a n00b IMO so I could be wrong) in your date and time settings you should be able to just change it to manual (at least in lenny + gnome)
05:40<McAden>padski: so other than for wine I shouldn't really need an AV?
05:41<padski>McAden, see also
05:41<Nazcafan>McAden: certainly, but my computer has a clock drift
05:41<Nazcafan>of approximately 1 min per day
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05:42<Nazcafan>McAden: so I don't want to change that every week
05:42<McAden>Naz - I see, sorry I can't help
05:42<McAden>padski: thanks
05:43<Nazcafan>McAden: don't worry
05:43<Nazcafan>I'll check what I installed on my other machine tonight
05:43<jm_>McAden: you can download it frm any mirror
05:44<jm_>Nazcafan: ntpdate
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05:45<McAden>jm_: wine finally finished, but I didn't get it through apt, so how do I build? dpkg?
05:45<Nazcafan>jm_: you seem to ber right
05:45<padski>McAden, see
05:45<Nazcafan>jm_: thanks
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05:46<mysuppe>hello guys
05:46<McAden>jm_: 'finished' as in the -3 files finally completed downloading
05:46<jm_>McAden: dpkg-source -x wine....dsc
05:48<McAden>extracting, unpacking, applying...seems it worked
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05:49<McAden>hmm wait...I don't think I deleted the previous directory after I attempted to build with -2
05:49<jm_>yeah it unpacked in a new one
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05:50<McAden>I should delete the "wine-0.9.60" it created and do that last bit again?
05:50<McAden>oh, it re-unpacked the orig file and overwrote everything, so shouldnt' be a problem
05:50<McAden>now I need to install?
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05:54<azeem>dpkg-buildpackage, rather
05:55<jm_>McAden: debuild again or dpkg-buildpackage
05:55<McAden>already started dpkg-buildpackage
05:56<McAden>doing this isn't going to interfere with apt stuff will it? it'll correctly get version stuff?
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05:58<XTF>Hi. What is the recommended FTP server in Debian?
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05:58<McAden>and thanks for your patience guys, I've been working with linux for less than a week
05:59<dpkg>methinks ftpd is the daemon that speaks the FTP protocol. The following choices are available on Debian: ftpd, the *BSD daemon (good, robust piece of software without anything shiny on it), wu-ftpd (a high-performance, multi-homing and anon-only capable daemon that has caused traffic on bugtraq lately), and proftpd which is somewhere in between
06:00<padski>XTF, or don't use ftp, depending on what you have in mind ;-)
06:01<McAden>packages built...simply install them now?
06:01<XTF>padski: File up- and downloads without using system accounts.
06:01<padski>XTF, what is a system account ?
06:01<jm_>McAden: yes
06:02<McAden>any specific order? or is there a command that'll take care of them all?
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06:02<XTF>padski: One in /etc/passwd
06:02<McAden>will it act as an upgrade, or do I need to remove the old version?
06:03<Scurz>XTF: pure-ftpd ;)
06:03<padski>XTF, apologies. rhetorical question. why do you care ? you know that ftp auth is in plain text and ftp over ssl doesn't traverse NAT, yes ?
06:03<Scurz>XTF: you can use it with users system or with a /etc/pureftpd.pwd
06:03<jm_>XTF: vsftpd
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06:04<XTF>padski: Yes, I do. I don't want to use system accounts as then I have to ensure SSH access for them is disabled and all kinds of other stuff.
06:05<mysuppe>XTF: I'm using vsftpd using virtual account authed by mysql. I'm sure there's some way to make it in pureftpd.
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06:07<mysuppe>think i gotta go now. bye.
06:07<padski>XTF, scponly any use to you ?
06:07<McAden>in order to install these new wine packages I just built do I do something along the lines of "dpkg install *.deb" in that directory?
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06:07<jm_>dpkg -i - are you sur eyou want all of them?
06:07*dpkg removes a kidney from jm_ and replaces it with - are you sur eyou want all of them
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06:09<McAden>only ones in that directory are wine and it's libraries
06:10<XTF>padski: Wouldn't that still create an email box by default for example?
06:10<McAden>so just dpkg -i - ?
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06:14<padski>XTF, what is an email box ?
06:14<XTF>padski: Well, exim4 would accept email for that user if I create it and it's in /etc/passwd, right?
06:15<McAden>awesome, worked great
06:15<jm_>yeah then dpkg -i them
06:15<McAden>and just in time...wife's yelling at me to go eat dinner
06:15<jm_>bon appetit
06:15<McAden>Thanks so much for the help guys
06:16<McAden>still so much to learn, but I'm getting there
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06:23<padski>XTF, if you have it set up that way.
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06:24<padski>XTF, anyways, I know what you mean. I gotta go, catch you later. fwiw, I quite like proftpd.
06:24<sander>Anyone know a tool to edit pdf documents?
06:25<sander>I want to fill out some forms in an pdf document
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06:38<sander>What two packages do I need to run java games in my firefox browser?
06:39<sander>maybe default-jre?
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06:41<jm_>jre should do it
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06:46<themill>sander: you need the java plugin. /msg dpkg install java
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07:19<mysupper_>hello guys
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07:35<janrocks>hello mysupper_
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07:35<mysupper_>janrocks, :)
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07:37<janrocks>it's like the twilight zone in here today
07:37<Gekz>so, it sucks
07:38<janrocks>just quiet
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07:38<janrocks>nice and quiet actually... everybody must be happy in debian world
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07:39<Kebianizao|work>I have a process which has file descriptor 0 and 1 directed to a fifo, how could I redirect that fifo to another place?
07:39<evilmanu>I have a problem with vmware
07:40<evilmanu>when I want enter the serial number, the program will exit
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07:40<mgiammarco>I have just installed debian testing on a computer
07:41<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: we don't support privative SW, that's OT here. Even with that maybe someone would help you
07:41<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: also vmware isn't included on debian
07:41<mgiammarco>I have this problem: rgb subpixel font antialiasing works only for root
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07:41<mgiammarco>in my notebook debian unstable it works well
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07:42<Kebianizao|work>mgiammarco: why do you know only works for root?
07:42<Gekz>compare groups of user root and the usere
07:42<mysupper_>evilmanu, if you are just first time to use virtual os's, I recommand to use virtualbox of Sun.
07:42<Kebianizao|work>and I agrre with mysupper_
07:43<mysupper_>evilmanu, I have a screen shot of that.
07:43<mgiammarco>virtualbox is lighter on reources
07:43<mgiammarco>than vmware
07:43<mysupper_>simple and very easy and it's free. no keys .
07:43<mgiammarco>and it is almost compatible to vmdk files too
07:44<mgiammarco>Kebianizao|work, because I have tried to run gedit and kedit as root and I cleary see rgb antialiasing
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07:45<mgiammarco>I have noticed that in kdm login screen there is rgb antialiasing
07:45<mgiammarco>but after login I have only normal antialiasing
07:45<Kebianizao|work>mgiammarco: then maybe you need to setup it on the desktop environment, I can guide you though kde
07:45<mgiammarco>so I have tried as root and there is rgb
07:45<mgiammarco>sorry already done
07:46<mgiammarco>when I go in kde setting for rgb antialiasing the rgb menu is greyed out
07:46<Kebianizao|work>mgiammarco: what did you exactly do?
07:46<mgiammarco>dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and choose lcd monitor antialias
07:46<mgiammarco>checked that in /etc/fonts/conf.d for file 10...rgb
07:47<mgiammarco>but still no antialias
07:47<mgiammarco>so start kcontrol
07:47<mgiammarco>search the font menu, enable antialias
07:47<mgiammarco>try to choose antialias type
07:47<mgiammarco>oops: menu disabled
07:47<mgiammarco>so log out
07:48<mgiammarco>seeing kdm login prompt.... yes it has rgb antialias
07:48<mgiammarco>login as user
07:48<mgiammarco>sigh no rgb antialias
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07:48<mgiammarco>let's try as root
07:48<mgiammarco>xhost +
07:48<mgiammarco>yes rgb antialias for gnome
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07:48<mgiammarco>yes rgb antialias for kde too
07:49<mgiammarco>end of the story
07:49<mgiammarco>Kebianizao|work, what can I do?
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07:54<Kebianizao|work>first, don't ever use xhost +
07:54<mgiammarco>anyone can help?
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07:54<mgiammarco>oh I used it because it is a serious emergency
07:54<Kebianizao|work>it looks to me like a fonts issue, I'm not very keen on it, but let's see
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07:55<mgiammarco>the incredible thing is that as root it works
07:55<Kebianizao|work>mgiammarco: in kde go to kcontrol->appearance->fonts
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07:57<Kebianizao|work>mgiammarco: out for lunch, checkout your ~.font* files and dir in your user home and root home
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08:01<McAden>quick question, after I install a .deb package, it's safe to delete both the package and the folder it was packaged from right?
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08:09<jm_>McAden: there are no folders on Debian file systems
08:10<McAden>directory - sorry, thinking in gnome...ish?
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08:10<mgiammarco>Solved!!! Kcontrol has the subpixel menu disabled. But it has writed in my local fonts.conf "subpixel none". So it is a "bug" of kcontrol. Now I have deleted .fonts.conf and rgb antialias is back
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08:15<mgiammarco>Kebianizao|work thanks
08:15<mgiammarco>KebiaAWAY. thanks
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08:30<apostols>bzed, ping
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08:55<vince>qlq un peut m'aider svp
08:56<SlayerXP>vince: anglais, svp
08:56<SlayerXP>andif you want help, just ask your question, please be as clear and concise as you can.
08:56<vince>is someone could help me
08:57<vince>i ve just started ubuntu
08:57<SlayerXP>!topicsmite vince
08:57<dpkg>And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon vince. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
08:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:57<vince>and i want to connect to a french server
08:57<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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08:57<vince>thanks a lot !
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08:59<witte>vince: you probably should want to go to a french ubuntu server, not #debian-fr, as there they will also only talk about debian...
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09:08<bzed>apostols: pong
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09:08<bzed>apostols: got my mails?
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09:09<fantonio>\nick fantonio_br
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09:12<Kebianizao|work>I have a process which has file descriptor 0 and 1 directed to a fifo, how could I redirect that fifo to another place?
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09:13<dylanwh>so, I have found very insane behavior that somehow invovles X, sudo, and aptitude.
09:14<dylanwh>'sudo aptitude autoclean' triggers, oh, about 15-20 X KeyPress XK_Return events.
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09:14<dylanwh>'super aptitude autoclean' does not
09:15<evilmanu>I have a quest
09:15<dylanwh>nor does 'super sudo aptitude autoclean'
09:15<dylanwh>evilmanu: Defeat the dragon?
09:15<evilmanu>which kernel I must use for
09:15<evilmanu>hehe no
09:15<evilmanu>for using correctly virtualbox
09:15<dylanwh>evilmanu! we have to take the amulet to the banana king evilmanu!
09:16<evilmanu>but the banana king is too high lv for me
09:16<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: you need only a kernel module
09:16<evilmanu>I have a kernel
09:17<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: aptitude install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-source
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09:17<evilmanu>and wrote me he need kernel module 2.6.24-1
09:17<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: after that use module-assistant to build the module
09:17<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: uname -r
09:18<evilmanu>I must recompile the kernel, because without this, I cannot run X server with nvidia accelerator
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09:19<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: you don't need to, just follow the steps I'll give you
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09:19<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: first one is knowing for sure the kernel you use: uname -r
09:20<evilmanu>Linux debian
09:20<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: that's custom build kernel as I see
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09:21<Kebianizao|work>have you run the aptitude command I gave you?
09:21<PetaWindows>hi gays
09:21<evilmanu>on that kernel or on 2.6.24-1-686-bigmem?
09:21<Kebianizao|work>PetaWindows: you mean guys ;)
09:21<PetaWindows>PetaWindows: yeah, that too
09:21<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: please read back
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09:22<Kebianizao|work>PetaWindows: :D
09:22<makiavelli>PetaWindows :D
09:22<PetaWindows>PetaWindows: :D
09:22<PetaWindows>anyone else? :D
09:22<Kebianizao|work>PetaWindows: all the gays and guys here
09:23<PetaWindows>nice :D
09:23<makiavelli>:D LOL
09:23<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
09:23<PetaWindows>Kebianizao|work: and lesbians too :D
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09:23<dpkg>i guess aol is America OnLine, a large ISP, beloved of people who don't know much about the Internet.
09:23<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!
09:23<Kebianizao|work>themill: do you accept i18n expression like jaja and jeje? :P
09:23<makiavelli>Some people think that IE is internet :D
09:24<PetaWindows>themill: AOL user = idiot user? :O Is because of the AOL company? :O!
09:24<Supaplex>PetaWindows: it's their target market
09:24<ranix>people who think people thinking IE is the internet is funny are cancerous
09:24<ranix>non-english speakers: enjoy parsing that sentence
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09:25<Kebianizao|work>ranix: syntax error on line -5
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09:25<PetaWindows>Supaplex: :O
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09:25<maxb>In a debian archive sense, is there any difference in meaning between "component" and "section" ?
09:25<themill>Kebianizao|work: of course. A coworker confused me a while ago with "ja ja" which I was interpreting as German "yes yes". Much confusion reigned. But just about anything is better than "lol".
09:26<maxb>Ditto "codename" and "distribution" ?
09:26<ranix>I pity people who work on natural language processing
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09:26<ranix>themill: if all else fails, ia! ia!
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09:27<Kebianizao|work>themill: I myself prefer lolas over lols :D
09:27<ranix>I enjoy lol
09:27<ranix>I don't know why.
09:27*Kebianizao|work moves to serious mode
09:27<ranix>omg srsly guys, srsly. Guys.
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09:29<Kebianizao|work>maybe this is the good one: I have a process which has file descriptor 0 and 1 directed to a fifo, how could I redirect that fifo to another place?
09:29<Kebianizao|work>or could I close it alternatively?
09:29<evilmanu>Kebianizao|work: ok, I've done
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09:30<evilmanu>Kebianizao|work: I hope, I've done
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09:30<Supaplex>Kebianizao|work: cat the fifo
09:30<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: now "m-a a-i virtualbox" as root
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09:31<Stephan>Hi everyone!
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09:31<evilmanu>Kebianizao|work: I've got an error
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09:31<evilmanu>Build of the package virtualbox failed! How do you wish to proceed?
09:32<maxb>Oh, I've remembered, the component is main, the section is main/libs or something
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09:32<Kebianizao|work>Supaplex: so cat to where I want it to, right? but would that work for both 0(stdin) and 1 (stdout) ?
09:32<evilmanu>the log file tells: Build log starting, file: /var/cache/modass/virtualbox.buildlog.
09:32<Stephan>I've got crushing Epiphany and not starting Evolution, could anyone suggest the proper channel for some help questions?
09:33<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: paste that log
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09:34<Supaplex>Kebianizao|work: that depends on your redirection. if you combined streams into the fifo, there's no way to seperate those afterwards. I'm on my way out. good luck. (commuting to work)
09:35<Kebianizao|work>I mean the log, not the console output: /var/cache/modass/virtualbox.buildlog.
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09:35<evilmanu>just a second
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09:36<evilmanu>Kebianizao|work: the same thing write on the log
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09:37<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: m-a prepare virtualbox
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09:38<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: m-a -t build virtualbox
09:39<evilmanu>I've got that error:
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09:40<evilmanu>Kebianizao|work: I've tried to do m-a -f get virtualbox and then again m-a -t build virtualbox, but having the same error
09:41<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: ls /usr/src |grep virtual
09:42<evilmanu>virtualbox-ose-guest.tar.bz2 and virtualbox-ose.tar.bz2
09:42<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: now "m-a a-i virtualbox-ose" as root
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09:42<Kebianizao|work>what now?
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09:43<evilmanu>Version 1.5.6-dfsg-6+ of virtualbox-ose-modules- already installed, skipping
09:43<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: invoke-rc.d virtualbox restart
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09:44<evilmanu>like this is correct? : /etc/init.d/virtualbox-ose restart
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09:45<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: yes as well
09:45<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: did it worked?
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09:45<Kebianizao|work>now join the user you want vbox to run to the vboxusers
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09:46<evilmanu>no, I have the same error:
09:47<Kebianizao|work>aptitude search virtual | grep '^i'
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09:48<XTF>Hi. How do I set the home dir for a virtual user using vsftpd?
09:48<PetaWindows>Kebianizao|work: what is '^i' ??
09:49<Kebianizao|work>XTF: man usermod
09:49<Kebianizao|work>PetaWindows: it's a regex, meaning matches start of line then i
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09:50<PetaWindows>Kebianizao|work: :O ok thx
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09:51<XTF>Kebianizao: Eh, I think that doesn't apply to virtual users (which don't exist in /etc/passwd)
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09:51<Kebianizao|work>XTF: oh, yes yu are right, sorry, you would need to look into vsftpd doc
09:51<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: modprobe vboxdrv
09:53<Zathras>hi. On using SSH I connect to an IP-address sometimes at port X sometimes at port Y. So I get the obvious warning about REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!
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09:53<Zathras>is there something I can do about this other than editing the hosts file again and again?
09:53<Kebianizao|work>Zathras: there should be an option to remove that warning. look ssh_confg manpage
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09:54<Kebianizao|work>Zathras: *ssh_config manpage
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09:54<evilmanu>Kebianizao|work: done
09:55<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: invoke-rc.d virtualbox-ose restart
09:55<evilmanu>but the same
09:56<evilmanu>it not the same
09:56<XTF>Kebianizao: I can't find anything regarding this in the docs.
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09:56<s-andy>hi, I have set up openswan in road warrior mode... but it crashes on any connection attempt from windows client
09:56<evilmanu>WARNING: You are not a member of the "vboxusers" group. Please add yourself
09:56<evilmanu> to this group before starting VirtualBox.
09:56<s-andy>my openswan version is 2.4.6.. using klips
09:57<evilmanu>cool :D
09:57<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: read carefully what I say, ppl shouldn't need repeating once and again
09:58<evilmanu>but, how can I add my user int hat group?
09:58<Kebianizao|work>[15:45:49] <Kebianizao|work> now join the user you want vbox to run to the vboxusers
09:58<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: adduser <user> <group>
09:58<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: you probably want to read some general linux reference/docs
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10:00<evilmanu>I've added user in that group, but the warning is the same
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10:00<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: you need to re-login
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10:00<evilmanu>thank you very much
10:00<Kebianizao|work>XTF: what about "CheckHostIP"?
10:01<Kebianizao|work>evilmanu: np
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10:04<Zathras>Kebianizao|work, thanks. Found the required options.Yet changing them does not make a difference so it seems. for sshd config options the daemon needs reloading, but ssh is a client app. No reloading should be required there afaik. Bit it still looks that way
10:04<Zathras>just do not have a clue on how to do that
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10:11<XTF>Kebianizao: What about it? I'd like the home dir to be based on the user name, not on his IP address.
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10:13<Kebianizao|work>XTF: sorry, that was for someone else
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10:19<mysupper_>XTF, check
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10:24<Stephan>(16,32,49) Stephan: I've got crushing Epiphany and not starting Evolution, could anyone suggest the proper channel for some help questions?
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10:26<Stephan>I don't want to be rude but please don't hesitate to tell me to get lost :)
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10:26<azeem>it's crashing, not crushing
10:27<azeem>Stephan: when does it crash, on startup, or when you do specific things like going to one website?
10:27<witte>Stephan: if the problem is debian related, ask here, if it is gnome related, ask probably at #gnome
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10:29<Stephan>azeem: It opens some pages ex. but crashes without displaying a thing when I type for example.
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10:29<azeem>Stephan: even when you start it from a terminal?
10:29<Stephan>witte: I'm not sure how to tell!
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10:30<witte>Stephan: if you open ephiphany from a terminal, are there some error messages after the crash?
10:30<Stephan>azeem: Even then.
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10:31<Stephan>witte: No, it just stops in the middle of some word.
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10:32<Stephan>The problem appeared shortly after an dist-upgrade from stable to testing but not right after.
10:32<witte>Stephan: often an error message is shown in the terminal if you start it from there, that is why i asked
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10:35<Stephan>witte: I tried that but couldn't find any clues there it's reciting some activities and it just stops.
10:35<jv>Hello. I have an apt-get autoremove question.
10:36<witte>Stephan: and if you strace it?
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10:38<craigevil>jv: ask it then
10:38<jv>Starting yesterday autoremove shows up ...
10:38<jv>a huge list of packages to be removed ...
10:38<jv>apparently mostly gnome packages ...
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10:39<craigevil>which release? stable/testing/sid?
10:39<jv>I had done nothing other than dist-upgrade for the past several montth ...
10:39<jv>autoremove ....
10:39<jv>wants to take out 103 packages...
10:39<jv>including such things as open office, etc.
10:39<jv>Don't know how to handle this.
10:40<Kebianizao|work>I've heard that autoremove feature of apt-get is not very reliable, I'd use aptitude instead
10:40<themill>!tell jv about unmarkauto
10:40<witte>jv: you can set the packages you want to keep to manual installed by apt-get install the specific packages again
10:40<Stephan>witte: I don't know how but I tried it again and I was not wright it gives a crash report but not finished.
10:41<witte>jv: they will be removed from the autoremove list
10:41<witte>Stephan: can you paste the crash report to a pastebin
10:41<witte>!tell Stephan about paste
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10:42<jv>Is there a way to rebuild ....
10:42<jv>the dependencies in the apt database?
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10:43<witte>jv: nothing will be removed unless you specifically issue "apt-get autoremove"...
10:43<Stephan>witte: I can't it crashed on the "send" command.
10:44<jv>Understood ....
10:44<witte>Stephan: can you use an other browser for submitting the bug
10:44<jv>I'll watch for a few days ...
10:44<jv>perhaps it will resolve automagically.
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10:44<jv>Thanks, bye.
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10:47<Stephan>witte: Iceweasel is crashing too and I don't know if and how to use elinks but I'll try it
10:47<HaMMiE>good bye to all
10:47<witte>!tell Stephan about pastebin pipe
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10:47<witte>Stephan: it looks like there is something more going on than just epiphany not working?
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10:48<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: ls -l / |grep tmp
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10:51<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: would you be able to run epiphany on gdb?
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10:53<Stephan>Kebianizao|work: I'm not sure I get the question. Sorry my first language is not English and I don't have much experience.
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10:54<Stephan>Kebianizao|work: What's gdb?
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10:54<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: it's ok, it's a debugger
10:55<witte>Stephan: good news and bad news: good news: you are not the only one with that error. Bad news, i did not yet find a solution on google :-)
10:55<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: maybe running it would be provide more info,
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10:56<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: nah, forget what I've said, it's nonsense
10:57<Stephan>Kebianizao|work: I've no experience with debuggers but should I read somewhere or I'll need guidance
10:57<Kebianizao|work>looks like a iceweasel or gecko specfic bug
10:57<witte>Stephan: do you have avahi-daemon working?
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10:58<Stephan>witte: yes
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11:01<witte>there is some ubuntu message saying that the crashes are related to that daemon running, maybe you could try to stop ti, (/etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop) and see if the error persists
11:01<Stephan>Kebianizao|work: yes but what could I do about it?
11:01<witte>I have to admit that i do not really know what avahi does...
11:02<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: use another browserr while it is solveed
11:02<Kebianizao|work>witte: please, join my club
11:02<Kebianizao|work>witte: I've never collected courage aneough to look what that piecee of SW does
11:02<witte>Kebianizao|work: is that the famous I-do-not-know-what-avahi-does-club :P
11:03<Kebianizao|work>witte: you right ;)
11:03<Stephan>Kebianizao|work: Can you recommend something different from ice weasel and epiphany?
11:03<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: sure, konqueror :D
11:03<Kebianizao|work>but there are plenty of browsers round there
11:03<Stephan>I'm not running KDE but wtf :)
11:04<witte>Stephan: I still find it strange, there are no debian bugs against that package, and it is in lenny, what is normally reasonably stable...
11:04<witte>Stephan: consider submitting a bug report against epiphany-browser
11:04<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: you will be able to run konqueror anyway, the only drawback is that you would need to some kde basic packages and that it will need to get loaded
11:05<Stephan>I stopped the avahi but nothing changed.
11:05<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: you may also want to try experimental iceweasel
11:06<Stephan>witte: I'll try to find how if I get Konqueror.
11:06<Stephan>Thanks to both of you!
11:07<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: I'll leave you testing konqueror ;) if you need further help just ask
11:07<witte>Stephan: apt-get install konqueror reportbug
11:07<Kebianizao|work>Stephan: np
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11:07<Kebianizao|work>or s/apt-get/aptitude :)
11:08<witte>Stephan: after you install reportbug, edit /etc/reportbug.conf (and yes, probably aptitude is better)
11:08<Stephan>witte: I knew that one! ;-) I use Debian since 3.0 r0
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11:08<witte>Stephan: :-)
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11:09<Stephan>I wish you both well!
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11:09<Stephan>Bye for now!
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11:16<apostols>bzed, Hi
11:16<apostols>bzed, Yes
11:16<Chron>what filesystem shuld i use for my mail server, which is free-shared and alreayde has 20000 accounts?
11:17<rod>I have some questions on chatting
11:17<Chron>just give question
11:17<Chron>and wait for answer
11:17<rod>I am a teacher
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11:17<fanto666>chron i'd try xfs
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11:17<apostols>bzed, When I arrive home to begin answering questions. At the moment I'm busy with work.
11:17<rod>and my class wants to chat with another class in Sweden
11:18<Chron>fanto666: why do think so?
11:18<apostols>bzed, Thanks you!
11:18<rod>we tried irclink and it hasn't worked that well
11:18<fanto666>Chron: it's quite fast and quite stable. I don't trust reisersfs much. and while ext3 is rocksolid, it's not that fast
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11:19<rod>chron - do you have a suggestion where my class could chat without so many technical problems?
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11:19<fanto666>Chron: I've heard that jfs is very stable and crash-proof but I don't have much info about jfs
11:19<mysupper_>rod how about gaim?
11:19<Chron>fanto666: i am realy choosing between xfs and reiserFSv3, but looking through the tests on i have a doubt
11:19<fanto666>rod simply create yout own channel
11:19<amphi>rod: or making a private channel?
11:20<fanto666>think of a name and join it
11:20<rod>I am far too ignorant for that, I guess
11:20<Kebianizao|work>Chron: IMO reiser has better general support, ege. resizing
11:20<amphi>rod: just join an non-existent channel
11:20<Chron>rod: do you want to use your own irc-server or shared?
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11:20<rod>the problem is I can't even tell the difference
11:21<fanto666>rod do /join #whateveryouwant
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11:21<fanto666>... and you are there, if they do it, they'll get there...
11:21<Chron>rod: ok, what OS your class is using?
11:21<rod>I created a chat room, I gave it a name, but as all the kids were there we had problems
11:21<amphi>rod: you will be alone in it with chanserv, if the channel you join does not already exist
11:22<rod>they couldn't write anymore, the chatroom didn't react anymore
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11:22<Chron>rod: maybe you created already existed channel?
11:22<mysupper_>Chron if I were you, I will choose ext3 for stability.
11:22<Chron>i mean registered
11:22<Chron>mysupper_: why do you think so?
11:22<rod>I went to Irclink and opened a channel with a new name
11:23<fanto666>chron haven't I said that ext3 is rocksolid? :)
11:23*amphi has no idea what irclink is
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11:23<Chron>fanto666: excuse me but english is not my native, what is rocksolid?
11:24<fanto666>Chron: _stable_
11:24<Chron>ok :)
11:24<Chron>what reasons may cause crashing of any FS?
11:24<dylanwh>ext3 is rock solid, but slow.
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11:24<rod>there is a long list and "debian servers" is the first name, that's how I found you
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11:25<rod>Irclink is just another name of the same list
11:25<mysupper_>Chron check this,
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11:25<rod>I don't now what FS is...
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11:26<amphi>'filesystem' ?
11:26<Chron>yes :)
11:26<rod>is debian servers a file system?
11:26<Chron>can you join #rod?
11:27<rod>I suppose
11:27<Chron>sorry that channel is registered
11:27<Chron>join #rod_chat please
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11:27*dylanwh uses jfs for his company's dvr, because it drops too many frames with ext3.
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11:28<Chron>rod: just type /join #rod_chat
11:29<rod>have just don it
11:29<Chron>dylanwh: how many active accounts do you have on your server?
11:29<fanto666>this network doesn't seem to have #irchelp
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11:30<dylanwh>Chron: a better question would be how many threads of concurrent writing do I have.
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11:30<Chron>dylanwh: ok, how many threads of concurrent writing do you have? :)
11:30<dylanwh>we use jfs on a DVR, because it has better throughput than ext3. So much better, in fact, that it drops no frames with 8 cameras going at 40 fps.
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11:31<dylanwh>Chron: around 8, I'd suppose.
11:31<dylanwh>ext3 is very reliable, but on good hardware I don't see anything wrong with xfs or jfs.
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11:32<amphi>dylanwh: interesting - I never tried jfs
11:32<dylanwh>Nobody ever uses jfs, for some reason. It's not super-performant, it's just conservative.
11:33<dylanwh>reiserfs is "fast", but uses too much CPU for some things. I've never seen jfs use too much CPU.
11:33<Chron>dylanwh: did you try reiser?
11:33<dylanwh>I've used reiserfs for the last 8 years or so
11:33<dylanwh>I still use it for my personal machines.
11:33<amphi>reiser is too scary for me ;)
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11:33<dylanwh>but then, data loss is different for me than most people
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11:33<dylanwh>all my data is duplicated everywhere.
11:34<dylanwh>My idea of house-cleaning is rm -rf ~/ and doing a checkout from a version control system. :)
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11:36<dylanwh>that said, jfs makes my machine a /lot more/ responsive.
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11:36<dylanwh>particularly rsync / darcs seem to benefit.
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11:54<alephnull>How does one use the -dbg version of libraries ?
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11:56<Kebianizao|work>alephnull: just install the package, when you need a backtrace it will choose the right files
11:56<alephnull>Oh, excellent.
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12:10<Drews>was just checking the thing was connected, nobody seems to be talking
12:10<phillipsjk>THis channel is not a busy as it used to be.
12:10<Drews>i see..
12:11<Drews>havnt used irc in about 8 years, used to be addicted to it
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12:11<Kebianizao|work>phillipsjk: that would be great if all questions were answered :)
12:12<phillipsjk>I noticed the #ubntu Channel on freenode is really busy.
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12:13<Guest1543>hello everyone i am having an issue with my network manager, my wifi radar see my access point and when i (iwconfig wlan0) i can see my wireless card, but my network manager wont, it works off the live cd, and after first reboot, but after that it didnt any idea
12:14<mysupper_>I don't like ubunu , even didn't use that. But one thing sure is I just to want to be lazy on my debian stable release since 1999.
12:15<mysupper_>s/don't know and / don't
12:15<themill>Guest1543: what chipset?
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12:16<Kebianizao|work>Guest1543: you may try ifconfig wlan0 up, but yes, chipset would be helpful
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12:21<JonY_>hello, i have problem with pptpd on debian sarge
12:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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12:22<JonY_>!ask i have problem with pptpd on debian sarge
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12:23<mysupper_>buy guys..
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12:27<Guest1543>sorry was away the chip set is the linksys wpc11 ver 4
12:27<JonY_>!ask i have problem with pptpd on debian sarge
12:27<Guest1543>but wifi radar can detect and connect to wifi
12:28<Guest1543>just the network manager does not see it'
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12:29<Kebianizao|work>Guest1543: if you are using 2 apps to manage wifi at once, close one of them
12:30<JonY_>Kebianizao|work can you help me on my problem?
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12:30<witte>JonY_: a bit more specific "a" problem is quite generic
12:30<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: I'm afraid not, since I don't know what is your problem
12:30<witte>JonY_: unless you give some useful information, nobody will be able to help you
12:31<JonY_>i installed pptpd on debian sarge. I run the daemon and he work corectly. I make connection to my debian box from internet windows xp mashine. When i connected i sucessfully authtorized and i getting ip address of my pptpd server. But when i do ipconfig on my windows box i see cuz my default gateway is I don't know why? What i can do to fix this?
12:31<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: have you tried ping each other?
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12:32<JonY_>i have ping to local network
12:32*phillipsjk thought Jony was trying to trigger the "ask" factoid :)
12:32<JonY_>when i try to ping outside
12:32<JonY_>i just resolve ip but no have ping..
12:33<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: I think you need some routing configuration on your debian server
12:33<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: starting with ip forwarding
12:33<JonY_>i started sucessfully ipforwarding
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12:34<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: what's your internet connection on the debian machine
12:34<JonY_>i configured my pptpd to give vpn network adress like
12:34<Bruce>how can i hide a binary to make it look like a system service?
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12:35<JonY_>my eth1 is my lan interface . like my local network
12:35<JonY_>he have address
12:35<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: maybe you could try doing some tests using your own debian computer as client
12:35<JonY_>when i'm connected and try to ping
12:35<JonY_>i have ping
12:35<zarchne>Bruce: hide it from what?
12:35<Kebianizao|work>Bruce: from evil?
12:35<JonY_>i can ping 192.168.0.*
12:35<JonY_>and i have answer from all
12:36<JonY_>all mashines from my local network
12:36<JonY_>but when i try to ping google com
12:36<JonY_>i just recive google ip
12:36<JonY_>and have ping time out
12:36<zarchne>Okay, I'll bite. "What's evil?"
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12:36<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: definately looks like a routing problem
12:36<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: llok for a pptpd tutorial
12:36<Guest1543>i am only using one to manage my wifi, the internal network manager that is at the top near were you batter icon is at, that is the one i wasusing, it detectd my card out of the box
12:36<Guest1543>but after i finish installing and rebooted
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12:36<Guest1543>then shut down it no longers see it
12:37<Guest1543>how can i fix this
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12:37<Kebianizao|work>Guest1543: have you tried with another wifi manager?
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12:38<themill>Guest1543: "modprobe -r module_name ; modprobe module_name" often revives wireless cards from hibernation-induced brokenness. I don't know what the module_name is for that chipset though.
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12:38<Kebianizao|work>mediahunter: did you hibernate of shutdown?
12:38<mediahunter>the one it works with is wifi-radar, but dreamlinux internal does not detect that it is connected to the network so updates and all that do not work, i canbrowse the net and what not just can not use the apt-get or anything like that
12:38<mediahunter>complete shutdown
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12:39<Kebianizao|work>mediahunter: dreamlinux?
12:39<themill>mediahunter: are you using Debian? What live cd were you using?
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12:40<mediahunter>Dreamlinx 3.0
12:40<themill>and that != Debian.
12:40<mediahunter>i have installed it onto my hdd and now running off of the HDD thur eht0 connection instead of wlan0
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12:41<Kebianizao|work>!tell mediahunter about debian
12:41<Kebianizao|work>!tell mediahunter about distros
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12:42<mediahunter>dreamlinux is off of debian
12:42<mediahunter>if that is what you are trying to fig out
12:42<themill>!based on debian
12:42<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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12:42<mediahunter>it is DreamLinux 3.0
12:42<Kebianizao|work>!tell mediahunter about based on debian
12:42<JonY_>Kebianizao|work but why my gateway is
12:42<Kebianizao|work>oops, late
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12:43<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: beacuse it's a ppp connection
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12:43<JonY_>i see other vpn and he not give gateway
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12:44<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: not aware of the details of pptpd so look for doc or wait
12:44<JonY_>PPP adapter
12:44<JonY_>Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
12:44<JonY_>IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . :
12:44<JonY_>Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . :
12:44<JonY_>Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
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12:44<witte>JonY_: don't paste here
12:44<JonY_>okey okey.. sorry
12:44<witte>JonY_: btw, you are aware that sarge is quite old?
12:44<Kebianizao|work>!tell JonY_ about paste
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12:45<Kebianizao|work>sarge? are you crazy?
12:45<JonY_>witte what is your idea?
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12:46<Kebianizao|work>JonY_: I guess upgrade as first step, even I'm not witte of course
12:47<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support for sarge ends on 31 March 2008 (
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12:48<Kebianizao|work>oops, security already expired
12:48<witte>JonY_: i am not sure if this would bring a solution to your problem, but debian etch (stable) is now out for more than a year, sarge won't be supported anymore any time soon
12:48<witte>s/any time soon//
12:48<Kebianizao|work>AFAIK last sarge revision was released recently
12:48<Kebianizao|work>that means that it's time to move
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12:49<witte>JonY_: unless you have a real good reason to stay with sarge, you should upgrade
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12:52<Kebianizao|work>leaving guys
12:52<Kebianizao|work>bye *
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13:07<Chron>how can I insert my MySQL databases dump without using phpmyadmin?
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13:08<history>run the command "mysql -u root -p < dump.sql" on the mysql server
13:08<history>or upload dump throught mysql-client, like mysqladmin
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13:12<Chron>it says that such tables already exist how can i overwrite it?
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13:14<Chron>or i should delete files and dirs from /var/lib/mysql ?
13:14<the-dude>just delete it with mysql
13:15<Chron>i dont know how to delete it with mysql...
13:15<the-dude>what do you want to delete?
13:15<the-dude>database table or row?
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13:16<Chron>i had mysql-server 4.1, then i upgraded it to 5.0 but i needed to downgrade it again to 4.1
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13:16<history>drop database name;
13:16<history>drop table name;
13:16<Chron>and i need 4.1
13:17<the-dude>importing a database will be something like mysql -u root -p $dbname < file.sql
13:17<Chron>so, i dumped my databases, because after dongrading they become unreadable, and loaded them to another 5.0 server, dumped them there, now i need to load this dump to 4.1
13:18<Chron>i dumped all databases
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13:18<Chron>there are about 50 of them
13:18<Chron>to be coorect 87 :)
13:18<the-dude>quick and dirty would be to download a mysql 4.1 binairy package from mysql
13:19<history>Chron, have you banned on )))
13:19<the-dude>or if you still have mysql4.1 deb file try 2 install it and see how far you will get :)
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13:19<Chron>no I tried to search for downgradin databases, but no results
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13:19<the-dude>why do you wanna downgrade anyway>
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13:20<Chron>the-dude: i have installed 4.1, after downgrading from 5.0, but it cant read databases converted for 5.0
13:21<Chron>when 5.0 installed it converted db's for itself
13:22<Chron>and when i downgraded it to 4.1, 4.1 could not read db's and gave "SQL error: Incorrect information in file: './forum/ibf_cache_store.frm'"
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13:25<less>Jumping right into this without having read all the info about your problem, Chron, I need to ask if it's possible to reinstall 5.0 and export the databases to a form that 4.1 can import back.
13:25<history>use mysqlrepair
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13:25<history>fix databases and try again
13:25<less>If anything else fails I mean.
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13:27<Chron>less: I did so :)
13:27<Chron>history: i did not help
13:27<Chron>history: it did not help
13:28*less shuts up and scrolls back to learn more
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13:29<less>Can I ask why you need 4.1 and can't use 5.0?
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13:30<less>Oh damn, answer already on chan...
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13:31<Chron>sure you can :) it is not my server, i am only admining it, and owner after upgrading to 5.0 asked to rollback to 4.1 i dont know why
13:31<less>Maybe there's a support channel on IRC specialising in MySQL?
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13:31<hever>How can I redirect all requests for domain.tld : 80 to internip : 80 ? (To the testserver instead the real server)
13:31<less>Because this isn't really a Debian problem, I think. Plus, it seems we can't solve it. ;-)
13:32<jcole>how do i turn "eval" on by default in my shell? for example, i do this:
13:32<jcole>APTGET="apt-get -y"; $APTGET update
13:32<jcole>but, for some reason,im now getting the error "bash: update: command not found"... i have to do this now for each command (notice the eval):
13:32<jcole>eval $APTGET update
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13:33<Chron>hever: iptables -A PREROUTING -d your.real.ip.addr -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination your.local.ip.addr
13:34<jcole>any ideas why this has stopped working?
13:34<hever>Chron, thanks !
13:34<Chron>hever: you're welcome
13:35<hever>Chron, is this forever or just for this bootup ?
13:36<less>The latter.
13:38<Chron>hever: this line only for this bootup, but if you will make iptables-save > your_file and then in /etc/networ/interfaces add line "up iptables-restore < /path/to/your_file this rule will load after reboot, actualy all rules ill load which were on the moment you saved iptables relus by command iptables-save
13:38<less>If you want it forever, you need to add it to some startup file. Help me here people, I'm just a BSD user.
13:39<hever>I dont want it forever ;)
13:39<hever>But I get iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
13:39<less>Then put it in a crontab. ;-)
13:39<Chron>after what?
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13:39<hever>Chron, what you said. I changed just the ips
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13:42<Chron>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d your.real.ip.addr -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination your.local.ip.addr
13:42<Chron>missed -t nat
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13:48<hever>Chron, ok thanks. But if I type the serveraddress into my webbrowser im not redirected to my local server...
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13:49<Chron>hever: do you have default rule of PREROUTING table ACCEPT?
13:49<Chron>what happens in browser?
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13:52<hever>Chron, iptables --list lists no rules...
13:52<Chron>iptables -nL -t nat
13:52<hever>And in the browser I'm redirected to the normal server (cache is clear)
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13:53<hever>DNAT tcp -- extIP tcp dpt:80 to:intIP
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13:53<Chron>do have line above
13:53<Chron>Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
13:54<hever>Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT), yes ...
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13:54<Chron>just a minute
13:55<Chron>can you ping your local ip from server?
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13:56<kinneh>hi all anybody here experience complete system hang after starting vmware any version (tried player, ws, ws-beta, server1,2) virtual machine on a debian unstable amd64 machine ?
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13:57<hever>(I'm going to redirect all packages to my normal server in the www to the with qemu simulated server. I can ping the guest server and connect to it with the ip)
13:58<hever>Chron, I can ping the guest system from my host system.
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13:59<hever>it has the internal IP I used in the iptables route and I set it up with tap.
13:59<davi>When is lenny expected?
13:59<less>vmware and networking problems, I think I sniff a structural problem.
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14:00<weasel>!tell davi about WIR
14:00<chealer>!tell davi about wwlr
14:01<Chron>hever: can you telnet to 80 port of your guest host?
14:01<davi>thanks weasel & chealer
14:01<hever>my qemu networking works... I can connect to the guest pc but it thinks its the server with domain.tld. So if I do a HTTP Request it must be redirected to this server to get a valid HTTP response...
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14:02<Chron>does your local ip have nat on your server?
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14:03<Chron>hever: do you have line in your iptables -nL -t nat output like this:
14:03<Chron>SNAT 0 -- local_net/24 to:real_ip
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14:04<Chron>you should nat it :)
14:04<hever>but I can connect to its ports or nmap it ...
14:04<weasel>.oO( "I have no clue but I typed nmap" - I love this )
14:04<hever>for example connecto to another port with my browser...
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14:04<Chron>does your guest host have nternet connection?
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14:05<hever>weasel, I nmaped it to lookup what deamons actually available in this emulation and booted up and are available from the host ;)
14:06<hever>At the moment I'm not very good in iptables but I'm going buy a book and read it...
14:07<Chron>good for you :)
14:07<Chron>i have the same situation with redirecting http requests
14:07<less>It does seem to take some study to get it right w/ iptables, yes. ;-)
14:07<Chron>and this lines works...
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14:09<hever>Chron, so I must set up NAT to get the redirection working?! (Internet connection is still working from the guest...)
14:10<Chron>no you should not
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14:10<Chron>does you server is router for your network?
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14:12<hever>The server is a qemu simulation (a copy from a server in the internet.) On my local network I've a dhcp server / router. The guest pc on my host gets it ip from the router on my local network.
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14:17<Chron>hever: sorry i have no ideas...
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14:46<torrr> anyone know pgAdmin for postgresql, and about this: "The server lacks instrumentation functions"?
14:46<bcochofel>Hi, I need a way to change locales in a deb package. Can I do this?
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14:49<chealer>bcochofel: what do you mean by changing locales in a package?
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14:53<bcochofel>chealer: it only installs if I have locale es_ES
14:53<bcochofel>chealer: is there a way to force that locale on the deb package?
14:54<bcochofel>I'm trying to create a .deb file that handles all the work, maybe this is not the best way...
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15:01<dondelelcaro>bcochofel: a package should not depend on what locales are built
15:01<dondelelcaro>bcochofel: if it does, it's a bug.
15:01<dondelelcaro>(and the solution is to fix it so that it does not depend on the locale which is built)
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15:04<bcochofel>dondelelcaro: yep, I agree. but it's not my package, and it depends. It launches a java app that ends badly if you don't have the right locale
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15:05<chealer>bcochofel: I have no idea what you mean by "force that locale on the deb package"
15:05<tomv_w>hi. is there a way to "resume" a cowbuilder --login session that got left behind (because of exiting the shell with C-d)?
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15:05<bcochofel>By the way, I'm using fluxbox under etch. I'm trying xhost + and from another machine export DISPLAY=etch_ip:0.0
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15:06<bcochofel>But I can't seen to get xterm to appear on my etch box from the machine I'm exporting the DISPLAY
15:06<bcochofel>How can I set this?
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15:08<bcochofel>When I do: xhost + on my etch box I get: access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
15:08<bcochofel>But still doesn't work
15:09<themill>ewww ... you so don't want to be doing that
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15:09<bcochofel>themill: why?
15:10<bcochofel>I need to launch an X client app on a computer that doesn't have X
15:11<themill>How do you connect to the remote machine?
15:12<themill>so try "ssh -X" instead. Then the X connection will be tunnelled over the ssh connection
15:12<bcochofel>xterm: DISPLAY is not set
15:13<themill>is the remote machine running etch too?
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15:13<bcochofel>it's a sarge based
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15:13<bcochofel>not quite sarge though
15:13<bcochofel>to ubuntu I can but to etch I can't
15:14<bcochofel>if I do xhost + on a ubuntu box and on the "sarge" I export and then xterm I can open it on ubuntu
15:14<bcochofel>(and I hate ubuntu)
15:14<themill>I don't know what you mean by that last comment. But on the sarge machine, install the xbase-clients package
15:14<themill>Ahh, I understand that now.
15:15<themill>bcochofel: Install xbase-clients and also check in the remote /etc/ssh/sshd_config to see if X11Forwarding is enabled.
15:16<bcochofel>that on my etch, richt?
15:16<themill>on the remote machine
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15:17<bcochofel>ok, thx
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15:18<ptr>quick question... how do debian python packages determine which versions of python to compile themselves for? I just installed python2.5 on etch, and my poor /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages is empty
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15:19<ifvoid>ptr: etch uses 2.4 as default
15:19<ifvoid>ptr: usually, the packages just use the default version
15:19<ptr>Yes. So, how do I change that? I mean... in lenny, packages get compiled for both 2.4 and 2.5
15:19<ifvoid>ptr: except if the maintainers configures it differently
15:19<ifvoid>no idea, sorry
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15:20<ifvoid>there's probably a #debian-python
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15:21<ptr>hey hey!
15:21<ptr>so there is
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15:23<Unistatic>anyone familiar with Muse & shoutcast?
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15:30<Double>need help mounting a usb on debian
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15:31<Unistatic>yeah, everyones quiet
15:31<Unistatic>what kind of USB
15:32<Unistatic>damn, just realized he already signed off
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15:32<ifvoid>Double: you were gone too quickly ;)
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15:32<Double>back now
15:32<Double>i'm running xfce
15:32<ifvoid>so, what's the problem exactly?
15:33<Double>it boots on ly one kind of usb and not the other
15:33<Double>it mounts my kingston 2gb
15:33<Double>but not my 1gb one
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15:33<ifvoid>maybe you have ntfs fs on it?
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15:34<Double>sorry i'm a real nube so whats ntfs
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15:35<ifvoid>it's the default windows filesystem
15:35<Double>like format of the usb?
15:35<Double>its FAT if ur wondering
15:36<ifvoid>ah, that should work
15:36<Double>any ideas?
15:36<ifvoid>so, type "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" in a terminal windows, en insert the stick
15:36<ifvoid>what does it say?
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15:37<Double>it says a lot of stuff
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15:38<ifvoid>yes, but what is added when you plug in the stick?
15:38<Double>like it lists the dates and says duplex in between
15:38<ifvoid>please copy it to
15:38<ifvoid>and then paste the url you get here
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15:40<Double>that's it says when i typed that in
15:40<ifvoid>did you plug the stick in?
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15:40<ifvoid>these are just messages about your network
15:41<Double>yeah the stick is plugged
15:41<Double>i did it from root
15:41<ifvoid>I mean, take it out and plug it back in
15:41<ifvoid>as root is fine
15:42<Double>ok i some stuff about the flash
15:42<Double>i'll post it on debian again
15:42<ifvoid>please do
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15:43<Double>it's up
15:43<ifvoid>so it recognizes the drive
15:43<ifvoid>now could you do "fdisk -l /dev/sda"
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15:43<ifvoid>and again paste the output on the website
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15:45<Double>its up
15:46<Double>found out some thing wron?
15:46<ifvoid>it seems there is something wrong with the stick
15:46<ifvoid>what is on there?
15:46<Double>absolutley nothing
15:47<ifvoid>so you win't lose any data if you reformat it?
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15:47<Double>it works on windows thou
15:47<Double>any windows comp
15:47<tingle>what what app can i set a plain color for the background so i don't have to see the ugly default X background? wm is *box
15:47<tingle>whit what*
15:47<ifvoid>tingle: xsetroot
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15:48<ifvoid>Double: yes, windows probably does something fancy
15:48<Double>any ways how to reformat in debian?
15:48<tingle>ifvoid: it worked ty
15:48<ifvoid>Double: ok, to reformat it, first start "cfdisk /dev/sda"
15:49<ifvoid>Double: you should get some kind of text-mode interface that shows you the 4 partitions on the stick
15:49<Unistatic>in Muse-streamer, I have shoutcast server running, but when I try to connect I get this message: shout_open: the libshout doesnt support the request. (I have libshout3 installed), any clues?
15:49<ifvoid>Double: then delete all 4 of them
15:49<ifvoid>Double: and create 1 new partition
15:50<Double>prob when i type cfdisk /dev/sda in terminal it says
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15:50<Double>fatal error bad primary partition 0: partition begins after end-of-disk
15:51<ifvoid>ah yes
15:51<ifvoid>that why we're removing everything
15:51<Double>there is nothing to remove thou
15:51<ifvoid>does it start after that, or does it quit?
15:51<Double>it quits
15:51<ifvoid>ok, let's overwrite it
15:52<ifvoid>try "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=2"
15:52<ifvoid>and then retry the fdisk
15:52<ifvoid>uh, cfdisk
15:53<Double>says "No partition table. Statring with zero table. Segmentation fault"
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15:54<ifvoid>the advanced way then
15:54<ifvoid>"fdisk /dev/sda"
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15:55<ifvoid>then press "n" for news, and press enter a few times
15:55<ifvoid>then w for write
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15:57<Double>sasy "invalid partition number" after i typed w after n
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15:57<Double>and it say
15:57<ifvoid>first you need to press enter a few times until you get back to the prompt
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15:57<ifvoid>just choose partition number 1 and the default sizes
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15:58<Double>k i have hit enter about 50 times and it does not go back to the prompt
15:58<Double>it keeps saying
15:58<ifvoid>ok, then press w
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15:59<Double>is invalid
15:59<Double>it says
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15:59<Double>Command action
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15:59<Double>e extended
15:59<Double>p primary partition (1-4)
15:59<ifvoid>choose promary
15:59<Double>partition 1?
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16:00<Double>it says "first cylinder(1-1017, default 1):"
16:00<peter_>В чём проблема?
16:00<ifvoid>just press enter for the default
16:00<dpkg>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
16:00<Double>Last cylinder or +size ......
16:01<ifvoid>again enter for the default
16:01<Double>is what it says next
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16:01<ifvoid>hi Ikarus
16:01<Double>now it's back to command
16:01<ifvoid>ok, then w
16:01<ifvoid>and you should be back to the shell
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16:01<peter_>Sorry, but I can speak English, too.
16:01<Double>yeah i'm back
16:01<Double>to shell
16:01<ifvoid>Double: ok, great
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16:02<ifvoid>Double: now you need to format the disk
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16:02<ifvoid>Double: "mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/sda1"
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16:02<ifvoid>you might need to install dosfstools if the command is not found
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16:02<Ikarus>Anyone know with Debian + Gnome how to disable the touchpad on a laptop when a USB mouse is inserted
16:03<Double>k give me a sec i need to install it then
16:03<ifvoid>Ikarus: I don't think that's possible
16:03<ifvoid>Ikarus: although Ubuntu has some stuff for it
16:03<Ikarus>ifvoid: Ubuntu does it yes, hence I am getting complaints debian can't
16:04<Double>k ifvoid now?
16:04<Double>thanks for ur help off the bat tho man
16:04<ifvoid>Double: did it work?
16:04<Double>on sec
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16:04<peter_>Can anyone say me, how to mount ntfs dis to Debian?
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16:05<Double>it says "mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) then goes back to shell
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16:05<ifvoid>Ikarus: you could check if the drivers has some ioctl or so to disable it
16:05<peter_>Can anyone say me, how to mount ntfs disk to Debian?
16:06<ifvoid>Double: yes, that;s good
16:06<Ikarus>ifvoid: I want it as simple as possible, insert mouse == disable touch, and visa verse
16:06<ifvoid>Double: so now type "sync", and then remove the usb stick and reinsert it
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16:06<Alcap>hey there
16:07<ifvoid>Ikarus: well, the insert mouse event you can get from hotplug, or whatever it's called these days
16:07<Alcap>is it possible to run a live CD and have the /home on the hard drive?
16:07<peter_><ifvoid>:Can you say me, how to mount ntfs disk to Debian?
16:07<ifvoid>peter_: no, sorry
16:07<Alcap>so that the live CD can boot with your configs?
16:07<Double>all right it
16:07<Double>WORKS !!!!!!!!!!!
16:07<Double>u man dude
16:08<ifvoid>you're welcome
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16:08<Alcap>can anyone help me out?
16:08<Double>allright see u later dud
16:08<Double>I' OUT
16:08<peter_><Double>:Can you say me, how to mount ntfs disk to Debian?
16:08<ifvoid>aswhat live cd?
16:08<ifvoid>Alcap: debian doesn't have a live cd afaik
16:08<Double>i am a uber nube asking me is no help man
16:08<themill>peter_: read-only or read-write?
16:08<ifvoid>peter_: please stop repeating thje question
16:08<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
16:08<Alcap>ifvoid, any live CD xD
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16:09<Alcap>and debian has live CD's
16:09<Double>Peter: ask ifvoid he's good
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16:10<peter_> <themill>:И то и то
16:11<peter_><themill>:Excuse me. read-write.
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16:11<themill>!tell peter_ about ntfs-3g
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16:13<peter_><ifvoid>: Excuse me, please!
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16:15<ifvoid>peter_: no problem
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16:16<peter_>Can I ask you : from what countries are you?
16:16<peter_>Excuse me for my bad english...
16:17<less>Right click on a nick and choose the appropriate option.
16:18<less>Most clients will show telling top-level domains.
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16:18<less>So I can see you are from .ru and that makes me think you are from Russia.
16:18<less>I am from .nl and I live in the Netherlands.
16:19<less>ifvoid could be from the UK, if I interpret his /whois info correctly.
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16:20<less>But his 'real name' sounds suspiciously dutch to me.
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16:20<less>However, a dutchman living in the UK is not excdeptional.
16:21<less>Minus typos...
16:21<peter_>I never speak whith people from diferent countries..
16:22<less>Oh wait, you don't mean that the way I inmterpreted it, I think.
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16:22<less>Your english seems alright to me.
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16:23<ifvoid>less: no, I'm also from .nl
16:23<peter_>I have learnt in special school
16:23<ifvoid>less: it's just my hostname that from .uk
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16:23<peter_>with extra-learning English
16:23<less>That is cool, ifvoid. I noticed the dutch IRC server of course.
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16:24<less>peter_, you learnt well if you ask me.
16:25<peter_><less>: Thanks!
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16:25<less>You're welcome.
16:25<weggpod>plop novell boy
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16:25<peter_>Однако, не уже ли ни одного русского?
16:26<peter_>По ходу нет
16:26<less>I didn't get that, it was unreadable on my screen.
16:26<less>Different charset maybe, peter_?
16:27<less>Maybe it was Cyrrillic, but my PC doesn't get Cyrrillic.
16:27<peter_>less>In what way?
16:28<less>I saw all kinds of characters on my screen, none of them interpretable.
16:28*themill offers less a decent unicode font
16:29<less>Like this: <peter_> D?D? N?D?D'N? D?DuN?
16:29<peter_>In our country DEBIAN isn't so popular , as in ESC
16:30<less>That might be useful themill, if I spoke (and read) Russian. ;-)
16:30<peter_>May be
16:30<less>Which I regretfully don't.
16:31<themill>less: indeed... But pretty Cyrillic characters are still nicer than boxes.
16:31<peter_>Excuse, but I'm not understand all, what you say...
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16:33<PetaWindows>peter_: Is Russian very difficult?
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16:34<peter_>But I have only 4 for my native language
16:34<PetaWindows>peter_: but I don't even know the "alphabet" that strange symbols :S
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16:34<Double>hey guys i have a question
16:34<themill>!just ask
16:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
16:35<Double>what is a good zip file opener
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16:35<themill>Double: ark (for kde) or file-roller (for gnome)
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16:35<Double>like that opnes as a program thou
16:35<themill>Double: Or, of course, unzip at the command line
16:35<Double>i have xfce
16:36<Double>a good extractor?
16:36<less>Try if you have unzip on the command line, then.
16:36<peter_><PetaWindows>:this symbol isn't consist in our alphabet
16:36<Double>sorry but how??
16:36<PetaWindows>peter_: woh... :S
16:36<less>Or just explore the xfce equivalent of the start menu.
16:36<themill>Double: aptitude install unzip; unzip
16:37<Double>thanks u guys once a gain!
16:37<Double>u r the best a these dude
16:38<less>You are welcome.
16:38<less>It's what this IRC channel is for.
16:38<peter_><PetaWindows>:Russian alphabet is called :"AZBUKA"
16:39<Double>k need some more help
16:39<Double>how to extract the files to another folder?
16:39<Double>zipped files
16:40<wnd>unzip -d where-to, see unzip --help
16:40<themill>Double: man unzip. Look at the -d option
16:40<peter_>Hey, can you solve a good book about Debian for admins?
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16:40<less>Explain "solve". Do you mean "locate", or what do you mean?
16:41<themill>!debian system
16:41<dpkg>from memory, debian system is The Debian System is a book written by debian Developer Martin F Krafft aka madduck. It's an excellent resource for learning about how un*x and in particular Debian systems run and how to look after them. Also ask me about <grounding>.
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16:42<peter_>Thank you, guys!
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16:43<PetaWindows>peter_: uo... I didn't know that
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16:43<peter_>How long you use Debian?
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16:47<Double>thank again mens
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16:47<huhlig>so the vertiarrrgh
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16:48*huhlig just did an update of lenny and now libapache-mod-php5 is broken
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16:48<peter_><PetaWindows>:You for ,example?
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16:50<peter_>Can anyone answear, with what programm I can use use Windows programs in Debian?
16:51<peter_>Yes, but can"t install it...
16:51<path>apt-get install wine ?
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16:52<PetaWindows>peter_: I've been using debian since 2004 :D
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16:53<huhlig>libapache-mod-php5: Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.34) but it is not installable
16:53<huhlig> Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-10+lenny1) but 5.2.5-3 is to be installed
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16:54<Flayer>huhlig, aptitude should be able to solve that, you; re using apt-get, yes?
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16:54<Flayer>try it and see what it does :D
16:54<themill>huhlig: you might want to apt-get update too if you haven't recently.
16:54<huhlig>I just did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
16:54<Flayer>aptitude is my 'meh i don't want to think and just want it to work' tool.
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16:55<themill>huhlig: apache-common has been removed from the archive. apache1.3 is dead, long live apache2.2
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16:55<huhlig>Im using apache2
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16:55<huhlig>The following packages are BROKEN:
16:55<huhlig> libapache-mod-php5
16:56<themill>huhlig: not according to that... apache-common and libapache-mod-php5 are both apache1.3 packages
16:56<Flayer>sometimes i mess around with things from experimental or other repos and it messes up my system, but aptitude always saves me. debian: makes you stupid if you want it to
16:56<huhlig>ok I am stupid
16:56<huhlig>I dont even have apache1 installed
16:56<huhlig>sigh, I forgot a 2
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16:58<huhlig>ok, why is apache still trying to hand out the php file
16:58<themill>!php wants me to download still
16:58<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at (Apache 1.x).
16:59<huhlig>hmm ok
17:00<huhlig>so, out of curiousity
17:00<huhlig>why has apt-get never been replaced by apititude
17:00<weasel>.oO( because aptitude sucks )
17:00<peter_><PetaWindows>: It is really good, but I onle two weeks(((
17:00<huhlig>weasel, OK...
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17:00<huhlig>I am confusded
17:00<themill>huhlig: aptitude is the recommended tool at present, but some don't like it (weasel) and it has a larger size.
17:01<huhlig>weasel, whats your complaint
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17:01<weasel>it's slow as hell
17:01<dylanwh>aptitude breaks my system less often.
17:01<themill>huhlig: older machines can struggle with aptitude a lot.
17:01<weasel>it is stupid, reinstalling stuff I already got rid of using dpkg
17:01<weasel>in short, it's just not a good unix citizen.
17:01<dylanwh>or dpkg isn't a good citizen.
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17:02<weasel>dylanwh: [ ] you know what you are talking about
17:02<dylanwh>weasel: I know that in my experience aptitude does less stupid things to my machines. :P
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17:02<dylanwh>and aptitude's able to keep the total size of my system down better than apt-get.
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17:03<PetaWindows>peter_: 2 weeks... and did you use other distributions before?
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17:03<dylanwh>especially with how often I have to install module-assistant, build something, and remove module-assistant and its deps to regain much needed space.
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17:05<PetaWindows>peter_: I started using gnu/linux with debian too...
17:05<peter_><PetaWindows>:I began to use Debian, when I began to work
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17:06<weasel>dylanwh: just how tiny is your disk
17:06<peter_><PetaWindows>:I'm student, and before I used only Windows.
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17:07<owner>Hey Gang. Is there a way, via apt, to do a search for and select the fastest five mirror sites for MY area?
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17:08<dpkg>somebody said apt-spy was a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
17:08<peter_><PetaWindows>: Can you say where are you from ?
17:08<owner>themill, You Rock! :-) Thank You.
17:09<themill>owner: no worries
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17:09<dylanwh>weasel: 4G
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17:10<PetaWindows>peter_: look to our private chat
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17:10<ineti>can i use the pacifica or vanderpool features on a 32bit ubuntu with xen?
17:10<weasel>ineti: you are wrong here.
17:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:10<weasel>ineti: go to #ubuntu on
17:10<ineti>can i use the pacifica or vanderpool features on a 32bit debian with xen?
17:11<padski>!tell ineti about ubuntu
17:11<padski>!tell ineti about multiple ask
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17:11<dylanwh>ineti: I dunno, can you do it with a particular version of the linux kernel?
17:11<weasel>.oO( !tell padski about reading comprehension )
17:12<ineti>!tell padski about xxx
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17:35<padski>I have this Can't get thing when I apt-file update
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18:03<Chron>i have apache2. when i enter on web-page which must use index.php it says Forbidden, log says Directory index forbidden by rule: /var/www/site/html/, which moule should i install/unistall? or may be something else?
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18:09<cwood>It sounds like you need index.php to be listed in DirectoryIndex.
18:09<Chron>but it worked without this line
18:09<Chron>it is a multiple web server
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18:10<cwood>I really don't understand your problem...
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18:11<Chron>me too...
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18:12<Chron>i just cant explain why did this happen
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18:12<Chron>it worked, then i reinstalled php
18:12<Chron>then downgraded php
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18:12<Chron>reinstalled apache
18:12<cwood>via apt?
18:13<cwood>Sounds like you should look into your apache and/or php configs, then.
18:13<Chron>what should i look for?
18:13<sander>Whats the name of the package to get java games working in firefox?
18:14<themill>sander: do you have your irc client saving logs for you?
18:14<cwood>Things related to DirectoryIndex and php, I would think. I don't know enough about your specific problem to say. It might help to read the apache manual and php manual.
18:14<themill>!tell sander about install jva
18:14<themill>!tell sander about install java
18:14<Chron>cwood, thanks :)
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18:15<exo2k>!dpkg rape me
18:15<sander>themill, I dont have logs.
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18:16<sander>themill, I have sun-java5-plugin installed
18:16<themill>sander: it might be useful for you to keep some. Most clients will do so for you, and then you can easily go back over them and find things like: [Thu Apr 24 2008] [11:46:47] <themill> sander: you need the java plugin. /msg dpkg install java
18:17<themill>sander: that should be all you need. What browser are you using?
18:17<sander>Problem is that i'm using firefox 3 beta atm..
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18:18<sander>Tried to start iceweasel.. to check if java work there.. but firefox gets started instead
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18:20<themill>ahh... nfi then. You perhaps can ln -s the plugin to the location where firefox expects it to be, but I have no idea where that will be in the mozilla-supplied firefox.
18:21<themill>sander: It will be something like ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun- /path/to/firefox3/plugins
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18:21<themill>sander: ^^ but you will need to adapt that path to java5 that you have and work out the right plugin path to link it into.
18:21<peter_>Fucking russians!!!
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18:22<themill>sander: Ask the firefox people. There's a #firefox on freenode.
18:22<sander>ok. Thanks.
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18:23<sander>themill, so I should get java5.. instead of java6?
18:24<themill>sander: either should work. java6 for etch is available from But the java5 that you already have should be fine.
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18:24<Chron>cwood: the problem was in mod_dir, it wasn't loaded
18:25<cwood>aha, there you go.
18:25<Chron>peter_: why do you hate russians so much? :)
18:26<witte>Chron: he is just watching pr0n with ... Russians and he had to tell us that...
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18:26<peter_>I'm russian too
18:26<Chron>çà îò÷èçíó îáèäíî? :)
18:27<peter_>But my ... neighborous shuted down me!
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18:28<peter_>Да не понимает мой чат кирилическую кодировку!!!
18:28<Chron>za otchiznu obidno? :)
18:29<peter_>Писать могу , а читать, увы....
18:29<peter_>Вот именно
18:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
18:29<sander>/usr/share/locale is 0,3gb.. lots of locales I dont use.. Anyone know what packages I should remove to get most of theese locales away?
18:29<sander>Having some problems with a large /usr partisjon
18:30<azeem>peter_, Chron: This is an english-language channel, please use /query or #debian-russian for russian-language chat
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18:31<Chron>where can i download .deb package or source for compiling cigarette with tobacco? i have the last one....
18:31<peter_>I'm understand you , excuse me!!!!!!!
18:31<azeem>mib_ne37bn: please don't write in all caps
18:31<mib_ne37bn>azeem: please to not write in all lowercase.
18:32<azeem>mib_ne37bn: do you have a Debian question?
18:32<mib_ne37bn>i dont hablan Inglés muy bien
18:32<azeem>mib_ne37bn: do you have a Debian question?
18:32<Chron>azeem are you bot? :)
18:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:33<mib_ne37bn>Estoy buscando una col y un bollo Inglés
18:33<azeem>please write in english
18:33<mib_ne37bn>i necesidad bollo
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18:33<mib_ne37bn>i have problem
18:33<mib_ne37bn>no hablan Inglés
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18:34<azeem>mib_ne37bn: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic
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18:34<Chron>bad bot :)
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18:42<webPragmatist>where can I find packages other than stable and how to find instructions on how install them?
18:42<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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19:24<Chron>a have apache2, in vhosts.conf for one domain i have two strings RewriteEngine On and RewriteRule ^/(.*)$1 [P,L]
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19:25<Chron>when i enter it gives Proxy Error
19:25<Chron>The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
19:25<Chron>The proxy server could not handle the request GET /.
19:25<Chron>Reason: Error reading from remote server
19:26<Chron>in log file: proxy: error reading status line from remote server
19:27<dondelelcaro>Chron: and actually works?
19:28<Chron>it points to local ip
19:28<Chron>a cant check it now
19:28<dondelelcaro>that wasn't my question
19:28<Chron>but it listens on 8080 port
19:28<dondelelcaro>well, that's where the problem is, most likley.
19:28<dondelelcaro>it's not returning a Status: 200 or whatever response.
19:29<dondelelcaro>err, 200 OK or similar to the GET request
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19:29<Chron>i can telnet on 8080
19:30<Chron>but there is no action on GET / request
19:30<dondelelcaro>well, there you go.
19:31<Chron>sorry i am newbie in this question, what should i check?
19:31<dondelelcaro>that GET and HEAD all return sane things
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19:36<Chron>dondelelcaro: i didnt get your answer, could you explain please
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19:40<dondelelcaro>Chron: you'll have to tell me what wasn't clear; GET and HEAD are commands that do what they sound like.
19:40<dondelelcaro>(they're part of libwww-perl)
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19:50<Chron>dondelelcaro: i installed libwww-perl and all dependences but ot still doesnt work.. the same error
19:50<Chron>browser tries to connect for long time and the gives 502 error
19:51<themill>Chron: libwww-perl was just a package to get the GET and HEAD tools to use for diagnostics.
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20:00<mzilikazi>what kernel for 840 Pentium Extreme w/ 8G ram? debian testing linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem?
20:01<salvin>Chron, try this: $nopaste `which nopaste`
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20:05<amphi>mzilikazi: you probably want an amd64 kernel for that
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20:07<mzilikazi>amphi: hmm interesting...never would have guessed that
20:08<chealer>mzilikazi: linux-image-amd64
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20:09<dpkg>[amd64] See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
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20:19<chealer>dpkg: no, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel.
20:19<dpkg>chealer: okay
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20:22<josh>how do i setup dual screens in debian
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20:23<abrotman>chealer: you should have left the bit about the CPUs
20:23<chealer>abrotman: xeon?
20:24<abrotman>xeon can be amd64
20:24<abrotman>oh .. nevermind
20:24<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
20:24<abrotman>that was the one that had it
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20:25<shivraj>what is the name of the gnome package to manage packages ?
20:25<shivraj>doing some cleaning up
20:25<shivraj>or how do you remove packages with aptitude ?
20:25<abrotman>man aptitude
20:25<shivraj>that must be it
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20:26<shivraj>I meant aptitude gui version
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20:27<shivraj>whats up with the server only get 36kbps
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20:44<josh_>is there a good display settings manager for debian like there is for fedora
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20:48<shivraj>josh_ : what do you want to set josh_ I am not familiar with Fedora
20:49<josh_>it lets you configure dual screens, change resoutoin, background. just like in windows
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20:50<shivraj>josh_ : I used gnome, it lets me do all of that
20:50<shivraj>gnome 2.2 ... just use lenny .. lenny has 2.2
20:50<josh_>i've got lenny and gnome
20:51<shivraj>under settings ? as a matter of fact I was just working on the appearance of my desktop
20:51<shivraj>System/Preferences/Appearance and System/preferences/system resolution ?
20:52<josh_>i'm more interested in dual screen settings.
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20:54<shivraj>well I dont know ... find the app that lets you do it ...
20:54<shivraj>gvidm ?
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20:56<shivraj>check this out
20:57<shivraj>if you want to knowwhat font I am using the get the MacOS Like terminal its Nimbus Mono L
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20:58<shivraj>I should make this into a Theme ... its really nice
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21:01<shivraj>what mzilikazi ??
21:02<mzilikazi>meh - just cleaning the kb
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21:04<b00Pl>hello, i cannot get X to work on this old motnior how am i able login
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21:07<tj_>anyone familiar with the "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" issue with synaptics touch pad? google reveals alot of people having this issue but no real soulutions...
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21:08<sot6853>hi all
21:08<b00Pl>Someone know how acess login promit with out login to X
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21:08<tj_>boopi..... "login" doesnt work?
21:08<b00Pl>i cant see the screen on this old monitor
21:09<b00Pl>so i need login i thought it was F1
21:09<b00Pl>to login
21:09<sot6853>anybody use parallels?
21:10<shivraj>b00Pl : I think you need to remove gdm so it doesnt login directly
21:10<b00Pl>how do u remove gdm
21:10<b00Pl>re install?
21:10<tj_>anyone familiar with the "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" issue with synaptics touch pad? google reveals alot of people having this issue but no real soulutions... any takes?
21:10<shivraj>ie... you type startx to go into X and when computer starts you can login into console
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21:11<b00Pl>see i can't login to X
21:11<b00Pl>it not clear
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21:11<shivraj>b00Pl might want to edit the xorg.conf to set your monitors features
21:11<shivraj>sudo apt-get remove gdm ?
21:11<b00Pl>how do i login from my main comp
21:11<b00Pl>i can't login to it with my 24 ip
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21:12<shivraj>you're trying to login to X from another computer ?
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21:13<b00Pl>my main comp
21:13<mysuppe>hello guys
21:14<tj_>hey mysupper
21:14<mysuppe>tj_: good morning~
21:14<tj_>evening here.... :)
21:15<tj_>mysupper, you know anything about synaptics touchpads?
21:16<sot6853>anybody use parallels?
21:16<b00Pl>How do I go about finding my current ip so i can login to my box from here my local ip
21:16<dondelelcaro>tj_: best to just ask your question
21:16<mysuppe>tj_: well ,,I have no experience of using touch pad, sorry.
21:16<sot6853>how can I use a true image tib in parallels?
21:16<tj_>anyone familiar with the "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" issue with synaptics touch pad? google reveals alot of people having this issue but no real soulutions... i looked at xorg.conf.. and there isnt a touchpad section at all...
21:16<dondelelcaro>!your ip
21:16<dpkg>To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;'
21:17<dondelelcaro>tj_: it generally means that you either 1) don't have the ShmConfig "on" in your xorg.conf section for the synaptics device, 2) the synaptics driver wasn't loaded when X started
21:17<dondelelcaro>b00Pl: see above
21:18<tj_>well.. i can display my dmsg at boot that shows some info on the touchpad being loaded. and there is no synaptics section in xorg.conf
21:18<tj_>how do i use a pastebin?
21:18<dondelelcaro>tj_: then you probably need to add such a section; iirc it defaults to ShmConfig "off"
21:18<tj_>just /join pastebin?
21:18<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:19<shivraj>how do you configure nautilus to not open a new folder but open files in the same folder ?
21:19<shivraj>I know holding SHIFT does that ... but I want a windows like feeel
21:20<shivraj>something with the same size,... and not having to hold shift
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21:21<b00Pl>well reason i asking about my ip i know it like something
21:21<b00Pl>i cannot remember how connect from this machine to my other box
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21:23<tj_>dondelecaro, will you look?
21:23<dondelelcaro>tj_: Driver should be synaptics
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21:25<Megaf>are you crazy guys?
21:25<tj_>can i modprobe synaptics to get it to load temporary?
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21:26<tj_>and should i copy another input section and change the values around? there are hundreds of people having the same issue and no resolutions
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21:29<caffeine>Megaf: wow
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21:32<tj_>dondelelcaro... what do you think?
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21:34<tj_>that is the option "CorePointer" for? its in the mouse section of xorg.conf... should i duplicate this option in the section i am creating for synaptics?
21:34<tj_>what* not that sorry type
21:36<tj_>well, free editing on a whim probably isnt a good idea... but i guess i am gonna try... hope it boots after this LOL
21:37<dondelelcaro>tj_: let me double check
21:38<tj_>thank you
21:38<dondelelcaro>tj_: see iirc.
21:38<dondelelcaro>make that 1514
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21:39<dondelelcaro>(that's the setup on my laptop which works with an external mouse too... or at least, it did the last time I checked)
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21:41<tj_>ok, and i assume i must add that "Synaptics Touchpad" into the serverlayout correct?
21:41<dondelelcaro>um... I honestly don't remember
21:41<tj_>what brand notebook are you using?
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21:41<dondelelcaro>yeah, it's there as an INputDevice
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21:42<tj_>will you take another look at my paste out because i think i might need different protocol.... SynPS/2?
21:42<dondelelcaro>(the synaptic specific options there probably aren't terribly useful; the actual configuration that I use is here:
21:43<dondelelcaro>tj_: which paste?
21:43<tj_>i cut out a section i see at boot from "dmsg"
21:43<tj_>very top
21:44<dondelelcaro>tj_: nah, that shouldn't be necessary
21:44<dondelelcaro>it should discover the right proptocol automatically.
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21:45<tj_>ok, i am gonna give it a shot... many thanks.. if you dont see me in 5 min.. i'm dead in the water with not X LOL
21:45<dondelelcaro>the problem you were having is because you weren't using the Synatpics driver
21:45<dondelelcaro>(that's what the first problem was, anyway)
21:45<Vicenzo77>anyone else using debian on usb
21:45<dondelelcaro>Vicenzo77: best to just ask your question
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21:46<Vicenzo77>last i used linux was abt 8 yrs ago
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21:48<phillipsjk>Megaf: funny.
21:48<sailaway85>finally got vbox communicating both ways with tap0... now I need it to see the cdrom directly... ant suggestions?
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21:52<tj_>dondelecaro.... many thanx again.... works..
21:53<dondelelcaro>tj_: cool
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21:53<tj_>and its wayfast.... now i just have to look into my options... a little reading should let me get it worked out....
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21:54<phillipsjk>Vicenz077: I assuwe "Universal Serial Bus" When I see the letters "USB", but the grammer of your vague question doesn't fit that guess.
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22:02<tj_>sorry, dondelecaro.. can i ask you one more question... Option "AccellFactor" "0.1" is measured in tenths.. can i make it hundredths like "0.01"? for example.
22:03<tj_>and that option is for cursor speed correct?
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22:03<tj_>thats actually 2 questions
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22:05<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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22:16<phillipsjk>tj_ I would check the man page of the input driver for legal option values
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22:21<tj_>dondelecaro... you still around?
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22:23<dondelelcaro>tj_: yeah, you want to man synclient; to see the values that it'll accept and what they mean
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22:24<x3n0>hi all
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22:27<tj_>it just gives general info... no actuall options and possible values
22:27<x3n0>having a few issues with an alias ... :/
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22:28<x3n0>alias ll="ls -l | sed -e 's/--x/1/g' -e 's/-w-/2/g' -e 's/-wx/3/g' -e 's/r--/4/g' -e 's/r-x/5/g' -e 's/rw-/6/g' -e 's/rwx/7/g' -e 's/---/0/g'"
22:28<tj_>thank you... one more thing though... for some reason the touchpad is dead untill after log in..... so ... should i move the section above the mouse instead of below? external mouse works before login.
22:29<tj_>touchpad was working before loging in before
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22:30<dondelelcaro>tj_: hrm... it should work in both; it's location in the file shouldn't really matter either.
22:30<dondelelcaro>tj_: it is sending core events, right?
22:31<tj_>my ignorance is my biggest problem yet... i dont even know what "core events" is... LOL
22:31<dondelelcaro>tj_: it's just an option to the driver
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22:32<tj_>its "true" i actually dropped your paste in so its set like yours
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22:33<dondelelcaro>ok; mine works at initial login just fine too, so I don't know what the actual problem is
22:35<tj_>ok... i am going to leave my usb wireless mouse out at reboot and see if that makes a diff.
22:35<tj_>brb i'll let ya know
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22:39<phillipsjk>the xorg.conf man page suggesets that there should be exactly one "CorePointer" (controlling the mouse cursor) , but Option "SendCoreEvents" "boolean" allows any pointer device to send core events.
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22:40<tj_>dondelelcaro.... afraid no it does not work untill the desktop is shown.
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22:42<tj_>so i should set option "CorePointer" to my synaptics section rather than configured mouse? and then set "SendCoreEvents" to configured mouse section?
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22:45<phillipsjk>I think you want your primary pointing device to be the "CorePointer".
22:46<phillipsjk>So if that is the touch pad, then yes.
22:46<tj_>i'll try that
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22:52<tj_>phillipsjk, that did not remedy the problem...hmmm
22:53<dondelelcaro>tj_: check the X log and see if there's anything interesting; you also may want to just clear out all of the options save for the required ones
22:53<dondelelcaro>tj_: since it may be that it's working, but the values you've got set make it appear that it's not
22:54<dondelelcaro>(and your desktop sets them back to sane values)
22:55<tj_>i did notice in the dmsg output about toshiba A215 detected limition to 40pps whatever that means
22:56<tj_>where is X log located?
22:56<dondelelcaro>tj_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log or simlar
22:59<tj_>no warnings or anything pertaining to Synaptics nor mouse... just shows modules are loaded. however it does infact load the mouse module before the synaptics.
23:00<dondelelcaro>tj_: you could try flipping them around;
23:00<tj_>worth a shot... can i restart x without rebooting completely or just best to reboot?
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23:01<phillipsjk>With a display manger it is difficult to restart X without logging out :(
23:02<cwood>You can always not use the display manager while you're fiddling with X.
23:02<tj_>ok, no biggie... just didnt know
23:02<tj_>for now... i am more comfy with visuals lol
23:03<phillipsjk>[ctrl]-[alt]-[backspace] is the magic combo.
23:03<tj_>my command line days were when i was like 12 in ms dos... so... little experience here... working on it though
23:03<tj_>i just hear so much about never having to restart in linux
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23:04<adam_>ahoy ahoy.
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23:04<phillipsjk>today slashdot has a story about not needing to reboot for many kernel patches. (so long as data structures don't change)
23:05<lsailor>wondering if someone can help me figure out why my connection is so slow to and i guess from my server. when i do netstat -in i am showing tons of RX-ERR and tons or TX-OVR. could this be linked to my slow connection?
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23:06<phillipsjk>lsailor: yes, but you knew that.
23:06<tj_>well... here goes.. brb
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23:06<lsailor>just not sure what the to it my network card? or is it software?
23:07<phillipsjk>Is this a card made is the last 10 years? (PCI based)
23:07<lsailor>it is a couple of years old
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23:08<lsailor>i have lots of RX-ERR and TX-OVR on lo as well as eth)
23:09<phillipsjk>My official guess is: "Driver issue".
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23:10<phillipsjk>Wait scratch last.
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23:10<lsailor>this box has been up a long time...and this just started in the last few days or so
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23:10<phillipsjk>lo should NEVER has transmission errors. (It doesn't leave the machine normally)
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23:11<lsailor>lo 16436 0 187607262 22826151
23:11<phillipsjk>what does "free" say?
23:11<tj_>all, afraid still negative on touchpad untill the desktop is shown.
23:12<lsailor>2060764 1992504 68260 0 75884 1694028
23:13<lsailor>-/+ buffers/cache: 222592 1838172
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23:13<phillipsjk>So that is lots of free memory.
23:14<lsailor>top shows low load averages and low cpu usage
23:14<lsailor>it is just the network
23:14<tj_>according to Xorg.0.log it did infact load touchpad before mouse modules
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23:17<lsailor>eth0 1500 0 2147483647 2147483647
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23:23<tj_>im back and this time touchpad works at login!! dondelelcaro... i took your suggestion and took out all the options...
23:24<phillipsjk>ah yes, the start-over troubleshooting technique ;)
23:25<tj_>thanks for all the help... phillipsjk and dondelelcaro
23:26<karnov>hi there ...maybe i'm wrong but i'm improving some trouble with iptables ... it seems that the DNAT target only DNAT to the same subnet than the subnet connected to the GW where iptables is use ... example : iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination will work fine but the second try iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination someplace_not
23:26<karnov>_on_mylan:80, seems to be totaly bypass, is there some explanation ?
23:27<phillipsjk>lsailor, If you can be sure the software didn't change though your actions or that of a cracker, I would suspect the hardware. Especially If there were extreme weather events in the area recently.
23:28<tj_>previous to removing all the options the touchpad was well touchy too... so i will take it from here.... but time for sleep for me. goodnight to all.. the help much appreciated.
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23:29<karnov>i simply wanted do some redirection of url on an iptables/gw and i was oblige to play with squidguard or with some durty use of rinetd ... i can't figure that there is nothing to do with iptables ... i'm sur it's a trivial joke but i pass through a lot of switch without watching the good one
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23:30<Guest1624>hey guys, I installed flash player for firefox (regular adobe didn't work so I got the 2nd option..) and now it won't work.. no youtube vidoes will load.. how do I try the 3rd one?
23:31<karnov>Guest1624 : in your browser about:plugins
23:31<karnov>and look for the name of your lib
23:31<karnov>find and move
23:31<karnov>try the last one
23:32<Guest1624>wheres my lib?
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23:34<Supaplex>in the internet!
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23:35<Guest1624>karnov, I can't seem to find what your talking about
23:36<karnov><Guest1624> : i don't know depend of your install ... and i even don't know default path ... you should play with strace -f -e open firefox in a term or simply lsof | grep -i flash
23:36<karnov>wait i'll try to find on my box
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23:36*phillipsjk think guest1624 is talking abuot some kind of installer menu, and karnov is talking about enabling and disabling plugins in the browser. The problem is that guest' plugin is not installed...
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23:37<Guest1624>yes, I installed 2nd option, just that the videos on youtube aren't loading
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23:38<phillipsjk>We don't know what program you were interacting with when you chose the "second option". You can't tell us, because that would answer your own question.
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23:40<Guest1624>I don
23:40<Guest1624>I forget what its called
23:40<Guest1624>one sec
23:40<mzhang>If I want to have windows & linux on the same 320g hard drive, and I'd want to keep 2 partitions (C: D:) for windows, how should I install grub and assign partition etc?
23:41<mzhang>(assuming that I would hope to keep a separate /boot partition... can it be logical partition?)
23:41<mzhang>I think one hard drive only accommodates 4 primary partitions, where 2 would be given to windows, 1 to /root 1 to swap and none left to boot partition... among these which can be a logical one?
23:41<Guest1624>its the gnu flash player mates
23:42<Supaplex>a solitary /boot partion is a myth of a requirement, unless you're using initrd+various / features like lvm, md, etc
23:42<karnov>mzhang : you should at lest lays with an extend and logical or a volume manger EVMS/LVM think about the evolution of your system
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23:43<Guest1624>karnov, I used the gnu flash player.. what is the third one available?
23:43<karnov><Guest1624> : you spoke about an alternative ... i don't know ...
23:43<Supaplex>mzhang: the debian installer will walk you through setting up partitions and filesystems. if you want to reserve and preallocate what will become c: d: etc, it'll be no big deal. some prefer to setup linux last so grub takes over as the new boot loader (which debian installer handles just fine, automatically)
23:44<Guest1624>ok thanks mate
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23:45<mzhang>I already have windows & linux on two different disks, I am just about to copy them... so won't go through the full installation.
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23:47<karnov><Supaplex> : why dedicative /boot is a myth requirement, cause it's more for being sure that the zone of the kernel to load are localise in a place accessible by the bootloader ... is it because the bootloader now signals this kind of assignation that you says that it's a myth ... because i hear that's a myth but i can't figure why ..
23:48<phillipsjk>I need a /boot partition on this machine because the BIOS only sees the first 8GB.
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23:49<phillipsjk>Any new machine shouldn't have that problem.
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23:50<karnov>phillipsjk : you run grub ?
23:50<phillipsjk>I'm sure a dedicated boot partiton would be usefull if you are managing more than 3 OS's as well...
23:50<phillipsjk>karnov, yes.
23:50<mzhang>karnov: what is the difference between primary partition and logical? Can /boot partition be logical?
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23:52<phillipsjk>you are lony allowed 4 primary partitions. One primary partiton can be used to hold additional "logical" partitions. Yes, I think /boot can be logical.
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23:52<karnov><phillipsjk> : i don't want to say you some stupid things, but separate /boot have a sens if you put this partition in the 1024 first cylinder of your hard drive
23:52<karnov>and only on this
23:53<karnov>separate for the pleasure it's not use ... the bootloader ahve to launch something inside the 1024 first cylinder
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23:53<karnov>and it's confortable to be sure that this zone will never be use for something else
23:53<karnov>but i can be wrong
23:53<phillipsjk>Karnov: my machine is new enough that it does not have the 1024 cyl limitation (it uses LBA) but old enough that it only sees the first 8.4GB.
23:55<karnov>phillipsjk but, who gives the CHS of the drive to the bootloader
23:55<karnov>i think i must read some other docs ... :)
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23:57<karnov>512 byte for mbr ... 446 for bootloader step 1 ...2 bytes for coding number of primary ... 4x16 for the infos about those partitions ... i tought that the bootloader after taking tha hand at the boot read and have some limitation by himself not bios for reading after the 1024 first cyl... but it's true, for wich reason
23:57<phillipsjk>karnov: the first job of a boot loader is to find itself (or the kernel) :) It does this through BIOS calls (as I understand it)
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