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00:00<NinjaMan>kop: so you suggest, I create additional zones for on my linux box and put the forward <router> command in the appropriate zone definitions sections?
00:00<NinjaMan>kop: and how do you go to the root nameservers directly?
00:01<kop>NinjaMan : Yeah. And use "forward first" so that it goes straight to the forwarder (the router) without trying to look up anything in the zone.
00:01<NinjaMan>kop: cool, thanks kop I will give it a try
00:01<kop>NinjaMan : Just don't use any forwarder. Then it uses the hints file to get the root nameservers and things work. YMMV regards performance.
00:01<NinjaMan>kop: ok
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00:03<tj_>what command is it to re-config hddtemp?
00:03<kop>NinjaMan : That'd be my approach. (But then I'd also probably avoid upnp as untested and not particularly likely to survive the test of time. Who knows.)
00:04<tj_>nm i got it sorry
00:05<NinjaMan>kop: I agree, but the PS3 is a royal pain in the ass without upnp - it is hard to get a concrete list of ports to forward, and then you have all of the game specific ones....
00:06<snogglethorpe> what is upnp?
00:06<kop>NinjaMan : All off one dynamic IP? *ugh*
00:06<NinjaMan>kop: regarding turning my router into a bridge, presumably I would lose the IDS and firewall capabilities of the router, right?
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00:06<NinjaMan>kop: yes 1 single IP but it is static
00:07<NinjaMan>kop: but how would multiple ip's help me?
00:07<kop>NinjaMan : It might also be easier to have a separate subdomain for the lan too, just to avoid having to setup the delegation. ( Dunno. Can't think about it now.
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00:08<kop>NinjaMan : If you had multiple IPs you could dedicate one to the PS3 and (effectively) you'd forward _all_ the ports.
00:08<NinjaMan>kop: ic
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00:10<kop>NinjaMan : Regards IDS, it depends. What's it doing for IDS? You don't get firewall capabilities (unless you try) on a bridge, but to me that's a plus. Why learn some wacko "router" configuration setup when you learn it once for Linux and use it over and over where ever you need it. (Actaully, I prefer OpenBSD's pf, but whatever.)
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00:12<kop>snogglethorpe : A plug and pray for the network. Wikipedia. It's something cooked up by vendors, one of those "standards".
00:12<snogglethorpe>kop: ah
00:12<snogglethorpe>kop: one of those
00:13<NinjaMan>kop: thanks for your help
00:13<tj_>ok, phillipsjk, dondelelcaro, so far i have been re-installing and seting up my system with the right freakin kernel and so far i have refrained from pulling any packages from sid repository.. however i need Gkrellm ver 2.3.1 and its on sid... is there another preferable method of installing it?
00:15<tj_>or anyone who can answer that question?
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00:15<witte>!simple sid backports
00:15<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
00:15<tj_>well i guess its time to learn what a backport is.. LOL tell me about it
00:16<witte>!tell tj_ about backports
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00:18<Paper>what the largest a swap partition can be on a 32 bit system?
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00:29<tj_>witte, let me ask you something taking from that backport page... about needing fake root... i want to take out the lines i added to sources.list before apt-get install fakeroot correct?
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00:36<Mahalo>Allright...I'm back, refreshed and now I have it where I can at least ping the router with a static IP but can't get to the network and can't get DHCP to work.
00:36<tj_>can somone tell me how to do this backport for gkrellm... when i get to "dpkg-source -x gkrellm.dsc" gives output error: cannot open .dsc file
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00:37<Mahalo>amphi or Witte, you guys still around?
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00:39<tj_><---- needs Witte's help too or someone that can expalain the backporting process
00:41<qq>tj_: try google
00:41<Mahalo>tj: Backports?
00:41<tj_>googling now...
00:41<Mahalo>In your sources.list
00:41<tj_>i have the she source
00:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 340] by debhelper
00:42<tj_>but there is no .dsc file
00:43<tj_>Witte sent me to:, going step-by-step
00:43<tj_> when i get to"dpkg-source -x gkrellm.dsc" gives output error: cannot open .dsc file
00:44<Mahalo>tj_: for the backports edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
00:44<tj_>i did.
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00:44<amphi>Mahalo: pong
00:44<Mahalo>Howdy amphi
00:45<Mahalo>I can now ping everyone in my network here at home, but can't get outside using this static IP
00:46<Mahalo>and dhcp aint working at all...
00:46<Mahalo>With either kernel
00:47<tj_>mahalo..... i dont know anything about linux.. but sounds like DNS to me.. I used to use statics and without DSN configured.. no net.
00:47<amphi>Mahalo: did you set a default route for the interface?
00:48<Mahalo>In /etc/network/interfaces?
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00:48<tj_>none the less.... that help URL witte sent me just doesnt work for getting gkrellm ported to my etch
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00:49<tj_>amphi, i will wait paitently in line if you would be so kind to point me in the right direction to getting gkrellm ported, last time i just used sid repository and i have been told thats bad mojo... i want to know how to do it right as i have jsut spent hours re-installing
00:49<Mahalo>actually, when I had the static set up done I had the gateway set
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00:51<Mahalo>amphi: as follows
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00:52<qq>Mahalo: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward # say 1 ?
00:53<amphi>Mahalo: your /etc/resolv.conf is ok?
00:53<Mahalo>qq: 0
00:54<Mahalo>let me check resolv.conf
00:54<qq>Mahalo: iface eth0 inet dhcp # is so eth0
00:54<qq>Mahalo: as root : echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
00:54<amphi>tj_: what's wrong with the gkrellm in etch?
00:54<Mahalo>I'm using eth1 (a usb adapter )
00:54<amphi>qq: he's using this machine as a router?
00:55<qq>i suppose yes
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00:55<amphi>AFAICS he's just trying to get to the intertubes with eth1
00:55<Mahalo>My resolve.conf has nameserver as my router...should be OK and search home
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00:56<amphi>Mahalo: can you ping ?
00:56<tj_>i need to use it with k8temp module
00:56<amphi>tj_: ah
00:57<Mahalo>thats a negative
00:57<amphi>tj_: did you look at
00:57<tj_>everone is telling me backport and i have not a clue... newbie all the way.. and another site says just use it from sid. which i did last time worked ok.....
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00:57<tj_>i just looked at a link witte sent me to and started googling after that.
00:58<amphi>tj_: if you can build the sid source package on etch, do that
00:58<qq>i suppose the eth0 is for internet , right Mahalo ?
00:58<tj_>it installed just lovely last time no issues at all but alot of folks in here tell me i am hexed if i do. like the world will come to an end or something... and i am in this for the long haul.
00:59<amphi>tj_: building the sid src package will be fine
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00:59<amphi>tj_: whether it will build on etch is another story
00:59<Mahalo>Hang tight, I'm adding that box to my router configuration
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00:59<amphi>tj_: it might need newer gtk, for example
00:59<tj_>last time i used the sid repository and went that route... not to compile it.. i dunno.. safe to use force?
01:00<amphi>force is a bad idea
01:00<tj_>thought so
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01:00<amphi>tj_: why not get the src package and use dpkg-buildpackage ?
01:00<vikki_r>tj_: sid + etch is maybe bad, because sid sometimes has newer libs that are bad to pull into etch (could make things not work)
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01:00<tj_>ignorance and lack of experience :p
01:01<amphi>tj_: the debian reference has info on building src packages, IIRC
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01:02<Mahalo>Adding it to my router let me use the static IP...I have been messing with this for so long I spaced on that.
01:02<Mahalo>I'll just leave it as static and take that address out of my pool.
01:03<Mahalo>Thanks for the pointers,
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01:07<tj_>no apparently it has not been backported by someone else and submitted to
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01:11<tj_>from the debian FAQ without the .dsc file you cant build it either
01:12<tj_>guess thats why its not already backported
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01:12<k-man>how much power does a typical hdd use?
01:13<k-man>and if i have 6 hdds, how big should my power supply be?
01:13<tj_>not sure, think its 30watt per
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01:13<k-man>ok, thanks
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01:16<tj_>k-man... lookin.... i see seagate multi-platter 3.5 in. comsume 7.5 watt average
01:17<tj_>would guess peak would be 12 or higher
01:17<tj_>scsi usually spin up independantly in sequence so no over load on the PS
01:17<tj_>IDE... different story
01:18<tj_>but you wouldnt have 6 HDD with ide.
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01:20*qrta ?
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01:20<tj_>will someone plz give me a solution to gkrellm 2.3.1 in etch!
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01:25<qq>tj_: why exactly 2.3.1 ?
01:26<tj_>well. anything that will get k8temp.... 2.2.10 fine thats the bottom ver that supports it
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01:27<tj_>just would "like to have the newest" and i am spoiled cause i had it on there before... but in the wrong fashon
01:28<tj_>if you install the testing distro are you going for sure encounter major issues? it seems you can be on one side of the fence or another not "on" the fence
01:29<qq>tj_: I am on sid here
01:29<tj_>is that like and etch conversion? i couldnt even find the ISO's
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01:31<tj_>etch comes with ver. 0.0.1 away from working.... so close!
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01:32<cwood>Perhaps just recompile?
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01:33<tj_>cwood recompile the current gkrelm version? it doesnt compile in etch.
01:33<tj_>tried it.
01:33<tj_>the dependancies are a mile long.
01:33<cwood>No, I mean get the version you need... which is 0.0.0 away from the feature you need... compile that
01:33<tj_>actually looking for it now
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01:44<thing3>can anyone help in compiling a kernel pls?
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01:45<thing3>i need to try patching a megaraid module into a 2.6 kernel
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01:45<tj_>would you say that libgtk2.0-dev was a replacement for gtk+-2.0-dev?
01:45<thing3>or more exactly rip out the buggered one and try and find an older working one
01:46<valdyn>tj_: libraries are generally prefixed by "lib" in debian
01:47<tj_>valdyn, familliar with x11proto-core? sounds like prototype...
01:48<valdyn>tj_: run as root: "apt-get build-dep gkrellm"
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01:49<tj_>56 new packages!
01:49<Mahalo>tj_: grellm 2.2.9-1
01:49<tj_>no k8temp support in 2.2.9-1
01:50<valdyn>!simple sid backport
01:50<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
01:50<tj_>no backports
01:50<Mahalo>I've been looking around for you...
01:50<tj_>tried to figure out how to make a backport
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01:50<tj_>and the necessary files are not included in the source package
01:50<Mahalo>I see
01:50<valdyn>tj_: its trivial as dpkg just told you
01:51<tj_>apreciate ya Mahalo
01:51<tj_>How do you "install" sid... i found no ISO's
01:51<valdyn>tj_: you dont.
01:52<tj_>so you upgrade etch?
01:52<valdyn>tj_: no, not you
01:52<qq>tj_: i can't find k8temp in dedian etch to sid , where you get this ?
01:52<valdyn>tj_: upgrading the system to sid just because you need a newer point release of gkrellm is very silly
01:53<valdyn>qq: thats a kernel driver
01:53<valdyn>tj_: and its also probably unnecessary, because the cpu temperature is usually available in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ too
01:55<valdyn>tj_: you're making this complicated when its probably easy
01:55<tj_>valdyn... i see your point and as a valid one.. however... Previous to about a month ago... i have been windows all my life... and i hear that "anything" is possible in linux....
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01:56<valdyn>tj_: yes, anything is possible, but most things are not reasonable
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01:56<valdyn>tj_: have you checked the contents of /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ ?
01:56<tj_>shoulda bought intel huh?
01:56<valdyn>tj_: no
01:56<tj_>yea Gathond thats in here quite often helped me out with cpufreqd
01:57<tj_>i mean i can show the temps in the command line.... k8temp works lovely
01:57<valdyn>tj_: debian provides that many options that newbies are usually confused, thats nothing new
01:57<tj_>i i like the gkrellm GUI interface
01:57<tj_>i know i see your point and i am rushing it too.
01:57<valdyn>tj_: what is in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ ?
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01:59<thing3>anyway to downgrade etch back to sarge without re-installing?
01:59<valdyn>thing3: no
01:59<tj_>tzcr... i remeber looking at it... its like 102 C
01:59<cwood>thing3: Don't worry about downgrading... just turn your sources to stable and wait until Debian catches up!
01:59<valdyn>thing3: why would anyone try to downgrade to an unsupported because outdated release?
02:00<thing3>because the megaraid driver in etch is buggered, i cant boot off it
02:00<thing3>i can boot off a 2.4.27 and nothing later
02:00<tj_>valdyn.. you do mean the temperature file correct?
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02:00<valdyn>tj_: yea
02:01<valdyn>thing3: have you tried google? this megaraid issue is a known issue
02:01<thing3>valdyn lots of googling
02:01<thing3>i still cannot boot
02:02<tj_>valdyn... actually its empty this time... clean install.. i dunno or i am not opening it correctly... using gedit command
02:02<thing3>it goes into a loop
02:02<valdyn>tj_: so? is that file there? does it show temperatures of your cores?
02:02<valdyn>tj_: "modprobe thermal"
02:02<thing3>ive not been able to find a solution
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02:03<tj_>still empty i dunno
02:03<valdyn>tj_: thats probable
02:03<tj_>i am a little on the dying for like 5 cigs cause i have been glued to my chair
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02:04<mysuppe>hello guys
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02:04<tj_>sup mysuppe
02:04<thing3>guess I can try a lenny netico
02:04<tj_>i'm at my usual dispair tonight
02:04<thing3>iso even
02:04<mysuppe>tj_ : ?.?
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02:05<tj_>you know me... i am always in here harrasing folks about what i cannot do.
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02:05<tj_>nm... maybe you forgot. thats aight.
02:06<tj_>valdyn.... if ksensors can show my stinkin temps is there another better looking interface?
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02:08<qq>tj_: try "ksysguard"
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02:11<tj_>what is the best pastebin for large photo?
02:12<qq>tj_: try
02:12<thing3>anybody know if sas drives will work on a sata controller?
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02:13<tj_> i mean look at it... its just so darn pretty
02:14<Mahalo>You guys have any ideas on speeding up my download performance on a Debian machine? I get 18 mbps dl on my windows laptop and 6 ul, buton my debian laptop I'm getting 715 kbps d and 840 kbps u
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02:16<tj_>that screenshot was *before* i tried to change kernels LOL
02:16<tj_>now its all gone. all that work... and i am at this big o' speed bump....
02:17<tj_>someone told me... ah, just install the new one first.. then get rid of the old one... well install the new one and both went to crap!
02:17<tj_>wipe the whole partition...
02:17<mysuppe>tj_ don't be disappointed. people just get angry because they don't what they really don't know.
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02:17<tj_>i'm stubborn i know
02:18<mysuppe>tj_: no way. :)
02:18<Mahalo>OK, well...good night
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02:19<tj_>i had ZERO problem with lust letting apt dump whatever it wanted to dump to get it last time... its like a drug addict, well, i didnt over dose last time.. ah this time will be fine too... and then the little angel on my shoulder (you guys) are like "NO! DONT DO IT"
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02:20<tj_>and i gotta be at work in few hours and i havent had not 10 min of sleep and i couldnt anyways.
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02:21<tj_>i always made windows do what i wanted for the most part becuase someone else had already done it.. i thought this would be the same.. and i am sure it is... but just requires a higher level of expertise.
02:21<tj_>i need a cig.. brb in 5
02:21<mysuppe>tj_ take some nap...
02:22<tj_>i am a smoker and i smoke like once every 45min to and hour and i havent had a cig in like 5 hours cause i been righ here... thats dedication..
02:22<tj_>i'll be back
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02:23<tj_>i could always re-boot and hit the vista choice..... but that would be terrible
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02:27<snogglethorpe>tj_: you could put a plastic bubble around your head
02:28<tj_>snogglethorpe, you just been kickin back listening to me rant on and on huh? i needed that smoke break
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02:30<tj_>mysuppe, i will suceed .................eventually. i started on dos.. then 3.1 then 95, then 98 then skipped ME that was crap... then xp and now vista is crap... and i am skippin that one too... bout time i got with the real program... LINUX
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02:31<snogglethorpe>tj_: MS is down the tubes any day now, so it's a smart move
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02:32<tj_>i need a good starting point... some method to this mayhem... a lin 101 or something
02:32<mysuppe>tj_ as you guys know,,m$ is struggling with ie7 and sp3 to fight with open sources.
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02:33<tj_>i still have this question in my head swimmin is circles.... why hasnt the whole world gone free?
02:35<mysuppe>tj_ for 5 thousand yrs since 'money concept' has come to mankind, we are stucked. They gonna do everything for money.
02:35<snogglethorpe>people are conservative
02:35<snogglethorpe>they don't move quickly
02:36<mysuppe>snogglethorpe: right.
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02:36<Paper>ever since I converted a live ubuntu system to raid 1 I fell in love with linux
02:36<Paper>I wish I could marry it
02:36<mysuppe>but one thing hopeful is...thing going slightly better and better..very..slightly.
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02:37<mysuppe>Paper: SATA raid?
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02:37<tj_>Is there a better distro? i mean i read this was the best and i understand its a matter of opinion... but one that will give me the eyecandy and be stable too...
02:38<mysuppe>tj_ I runned openbsd server for 5 yrs..and I'm back to debian.
02:39<tj_>for learning purposes i'd dump vista and have 3 or 4 distros i have 150 gigs to work with.... should be plenty
02:39<mysuppe>I want to get rest with debian..that's all.
02:40<zarchne>tj_: better for what purpose?
02:40<snogglethorpe>tj_: heh, my entire disk is 4.5 GB :-)
02:40<snogglethorpe>tj_: (and full of lots of random non-system cruft)
02:41<Paper>mysuppe: yea, sata raid
02:41<tj_>exploring, learning, visual stimuli, unique character.
02:42<Paper>mysuppe: have four 750 gig drives i've been practicing building and repairing RAID 1 and RAID 5 configurations on
02:42<tj_>so is that the heart of being in peace with linux... the black and while behind the gui? is that the pleasure?
02:42<zarchne>Slackware was great for learning.
02:42<Paper>tj_: you ever heard of unix sex commands?
02:43<Paper>can't do that with windows..
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02:43<Paper>I once told a really hot girl who wanted to go out with me one night that I couldn't go i'm messing with linux
02:43<Paper>no lie
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02:44<Paper>I don't know if she thought I was walking about a drug or a brazillian/asian hooker
02:44<tj_>i wouldnt tell too many people that.. but i get ya... i have already give up some good screwin for this
02:44<zarchne>Paper: ah, a true engineer. You need a wife and a mistress who know about each other.
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02:46<Paper>I have a good girl in seoul waiting for me to move there next month, and that's kinda close cause korea has lots of electronics
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02:46<zarchne>So on Friday nights you can tell the wife you're spending the night with the mistress, the mistress you're attending a function with the wife, and then go into the office and get some work done.
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02:47<Paper>zarchne: that sounds so hot
02:47<tj_>you guys are a mess.
02:47<zarchne>Seriously, Slackware was great for learning.
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02:47<aquaboot>Hello. Can I ask a Gnome sound question here?
02:48<aquaboot>Thanks. Sec...
02:48<tj_>are any of you stoners and still retain your ability to keep up with all this?
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02:48<Paper>no, I don't do drugs
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02:48<zarchne>aquaboot: but if it's not under debian, then no.
02:48<Paper>except alcohol in moderate proportions
02:48<aquaboot>I'm running lenny with gnome 2.22.1 and all sound works but...
02:48<Paper>AND LINUX
02:49<aquaboot>my system sounds don't work
02:49<aquaboot>everything else does
02:49<zarchne>aquaboot: forcer is, but he doesn't hang out in this channel.
02:49<aquaboot> :-)
02:50<zarchne>aquaboot: sorry, I meant tj_: forcer is...
02:50<mysuppe>aquaboot: what is your sound chip?
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02:50<aquaboot>one second and I'll find out
02:50<Paper>ruffles or lays
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02:50<tj_>i been smokin the herb for about 3 years now... and i think its affecting my ability to soak in and retain a percentage of this.. or maybe its windows brainwashed me or combination of both... enough of the non sense... i'll let you guys do what you do best now.
02:50<Paper>sun chips have a good crunch
02:51<Paper>tj_ write it down in gedit that's what I do
02:51<tj_>paper is actually funny
02:51<zarchne>aquaboot: is it just your system sounds? do other sound-using apps work?
02:51<mysuppe>My stomache wouldn't allow that.
02:52<zarchne>if it's just system sounds, then sound chip probably isn't relevant.
02:52<Paper>mysuppe: i've been told sun chips are apparently "the shit" when it comes to cruch loudness
02:52<aquaboot>Yeah, just system sounds. Cd audio is fine. Getting chip info...
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02:53<tj_>well.. thanx for listening and sharing everyone... i think i need to clear the mind and turn the screens off.
02:53<Paper>chip info.... tasty, little salty..
02:53<aquaboot>02:03.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
02:53<zarchne>aquaboot: do you have them enabled under Desktop->Preferences->Sounds?
02:53<aquaboot>02:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01)
02:53<mysuppe>tj_ take care.
02:53<Paper>cya tj_
02:53<aquaboot>Yeah. I double checked that. :-)
02:54<aquaboot>(system sounds enabled in Desktop->Preferences->Sounds
02:54<tj_>same to ya mysuppe, paper, zarchne, all. night, morning day whatever it is where you are now.. 2:54 am here.
02:54<Paper>I wonder if my george foreman grill could run linux
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02:54<tj_>paper you make me laugh
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02:55<Paper>l8r it's only 2054 here
02:55<aquaboot>Paper- I'm sure netbsd would. It can run on a toaster
02:55<qq> cya tj_
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02:56<mysuppe>aquaboot: I
02:56<aquaboot>thanks mysuppe. I'll check it out
02:56<zarchne>Oh, Hawaiians can has linux?
02:56<Paper>now if only my girlfriend ran linux... man i've have everything in one package
02:56<Paper>hey i'm not hawaiian :) but I am actually making a cheezeburger right now!
02:56<mysuppe>Paper : including a living daemon. :)
02:58<mysuppe>aquaboot : check for installing alsa driver in debian and don't forget to save them using "alsactl save".
02:58<zarchne>Well, anyway, I don't have a mistress and we haven't had supper and I'm done with the late night scheduled maintenance and I don't enable system sounds, so I'm off.
02:58<mysuppe>I think I gotta go home. :)
02:59<Paper>I think I gotta make me a cheeseburger, brb
02:59<mysuppe>zarchne: good night.
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03:00<aquaboot>Thanks again mysuppe. I'll get going on this in the morning.
03:00<aquaboot>Take care everyone and thanks for the help
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03:01<Paper>no problem aquaboot ;)
03:02<white_hat>hello everybody
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03:02<Paper>I actually bought a black hat last week
03:02<Paper>it's a fedora
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03:02<Paper>I had to dress up for a 1920s themed party
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03:05<snogglethorpe>Paper: man, ever try getting a hat cleaned?
03:05<Paper>no, is it hard?
03:06<snogglethorpe>Paper: last tiem I did, the only shop left that woudl do it was in well, the ghetto basically
03:06<snogglethorpe>Paper: it was a real trip going out there...
03:06<Paper>I can't imagine it's that hard to clean a hat
03:07<Paper>rent one of those carpet steam cleaners lol
03:07<snogglethorpe>Paper: i dunno if it's felt I think you need to be a bit careful with it
03:07<snogglethorpe>Paper: they can lose their shape
03:07<Paper>I actually put it in a bag to keep the dust off it
03:07<snogglethorpe>Paper: I think there's not so much hat-related infrastructure around anymore
03:07<Paper>yea it's a pretty nice hat but it was only like 24 or 28 bucks
03:08<Paper>from a mall store called "Lids"
03:08<snogglethorpe>Paper: heh... around here hats are mad expensive
03:08<Paper>97% of what they sold were baseball caps and dorags
03:08<snogglethorpe>Paper: I've long wanted a nice panama hat
03:08<Paper>like a straw fedora?
03:08<snogglethorpe>Paper: well, but with very nice quality "straw"
03:08<Paper>check Macy's
03:09<Paper>my boss gave me one, but it's pretty cheap
03:09<snogglethorpe>Paper: I foolishly skipped buying a very nice one for about $70 a few years ago... now everythnig I see is from italy and about $150-200
03:09<Paper>I swear I saw the same hat in Macy's for $35 in Nieman Markus for $190
03:10<Paper>both were made in south america...
03:10<snogglethorpe>Paper: well Nieman isn't exactly the place one goes a good price (or an OK price)
03:10<snogglethorpe>Paper: Nieman Marcus is where one goes for beer-flavored toothpaste
03:11<Paper>they make that?
03:11<snogglethorpe>Paper: well they did at one time anyway
03:11<Paper>that's amusing
03:12<snogglethorpe>nowadays I suppose it's jalapeno-flavored toothpaste or soemthing...
03:12<snogglethorpe>hmm jalapeño?
03:14<snogglethorpe>always wanted to use "ñ"...
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03:15<Paper>el niño
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03:17<Paper>man that burger was so good
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03:22<Paper>eugh, beer and thin mints cookies: not so good :/
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03:23<snogglethorpe>Paper: coffee and thin mints would probably rock though
03:23<snogglethorpe>Paper: as would the beer and burger
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03:24<snogglethorpe>gee I could have a beer today...
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03:26<Scurz>since the reinstall of my debian system, my printer isn't detected by a "lsusb", what to do ?
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03:27<Scurz>sorry, I've said nothing :p
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03:31<Paper>scurz: is the cable plugged in and printer powered on? :)
03:34<Joris_>I'm looking for a fairly old (6 months) sid package (linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64) to test some specific problem. Any ideas if it's still available somewhere?
03:35<dpkg>from memory, sdn is go to to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems.
03:35<klausade>Joris_: try debian snapshot
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03:36<Joris_>klausade: great, thanks!
03:37<Paper>if they had been using mdadm, I bet that could have helped their harddisk problems
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03:44<Scurz>Paper: "< Scurz> sorry, I've said nothing :p" but thanks ;)
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03:45<Paper>anyone here ever played with bacula?
03:45<Paper>scurz: np :)
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03:56<bu>can smb help me to recover my root pass?
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03:57<Maulkin>!root pass
03:57<Maulkin>!root password
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03:57<gsimmons>!tell bu -about ifrp
03:57<Maulkin>That's the badger
03:58<weasel>the nine of spades
03:58<bu>oh thx
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04:01<Maulkin>have a nice day
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04:02<qrta>!root pass
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04:39<mythe>slt a tous, y aurait il quelqun susceptible de m'aider?
04:40<mythe>sa serait pour une erreur d'installation du serveur php sur une machine debian
04:40<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
04:41<mythe>merci :)
04:41<Gekz>dpkg: forget fr
04:41<dpkg>i forgot fr, Gekz
04:41<Gekz>dpkg: fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
04:41<dpkg>Gekz: okay
04:41<dpkg>i heard fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
04:42<Gekz>oh wait
04:42<Gekz>dpkg: forget fr
04:42<dpkg>Gekz: i forgot fr
04:42<Gekz>dpkg: fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
04:42<dpkg>okay, Gekz
04:42<Gekz>I forgot dpkg is multiserver
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04:45<mythe>there is nobody to answer me in #debian-fr
04:45<mythe>so i will try to explain my problem in english
04:45<mythe>if anyone wanna help me
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04:45<mythe>so I installed apache on an old server
04:46<Woet>while installing VHCS I get 'DBD::mysql::db do failed: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /var/lib/dpkg/info/vhcs.postinst line 1576.'
04:46<mythe>next I wanna install the php
04:46<mythe>with these paquet :
04:47<mythe>apt-get install php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5mysql
04:48<mythe>but now my server is here
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04:48<mythe>if you go on the page
04:48<mythe>firefox try to download the page
04:48<mythe>instead of execute it
04:49<mythe>I tried to do that : a2enmod php5
04:49<mythe>but it said the module is already installed
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04:52<mythe>nobody have an idea which can help me?
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04:59<Woet>mythe: apt-get install libapache-mod-php5
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05:05<jlbelmonte>ups sorry
05:05<mythe>Woet, i already installed libapache2-mod-php5
05:05<mythe>should I install this one too?
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05:11<Woet>how to purge mysql totally, including the root password?
05:13<Joris_>apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-xxx; rm -rf /var/lib/mysql ?
05:13<Joris_>be carefull
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05:43<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to decide an MTA software to install/configure on my server. Can anyone tell me from sendmail, exim, qmail and postfix wich one should I pick?
05:44<less>I'd give exim or postfix a try.
05:46<bcochofel>I'm trying to see the diffs between then, is there any url that does a comparision?
05:47<azeem_>bcochofel: how many users?
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05:47<sebi>hi. i have a problem with linux md.
05:47<sebi>can anyone help?
05:47<bcochofel>azeem: ~50
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05:47<azeem>bcochofel: I don't think it matters much for ~50
05:48<azeem>either postfix or exim4 are fine
05:48<sebi>problem is: 6 (out of 7) drive raid6 array got degraded while kernel panic
05:48<sebi>and now refuses to re-assemble
05:48<bcochofel>azeem: I see, but for more users wich one is the best?
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05:49<azeem>bcochofel: then it depends on the specific environment
05:49<azeem>and the admin's preference
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05:49<bcochofel>azeem: both are good them, exim and postfix?
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05:49<azeem>there was a LWN article about MTA comparison a while ago
05:50<azeem>bcochofel: yes
05:50<bcochofel>azeem: ok, thx, found the article
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05:52<bcochofel>azeem: what about courier?
05:52<azeem>that's not an MTA, it's an IMAP server, no?
05:53<azeem>no idea about that
05:53<bcochofel>azeem: taken from homepage: The Courier mail transfer agent (MTA) is an integrated mail/groupware server based on open commodity protocols, such as ESMTP, IMAP, POP3, LDAP, SSL, and HTTP
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05:55<bcochofel>azeem: ok, to install postfix I only need the postfix package, right?
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05:56<bcochofel>What are all those postfix-ldap, pgsql packages for?
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05:57<azeem>that's for user lookup I guess
05:58<azeem>for medium installations you can look them up in LDAP, for huge installations, in a postgresql database
05:58<bcochofel>azeem: ok, thx
05:58<azeem>that probably means you don't need to have them as unix accounts just for mail
05:58<azeem>bcochofel: but read the description of those packages anyway, I don't use postfix and am just guessing
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06:07<bu>why when i mount ntfs with -o rw i can't write on it?
06:08<obnibolongo>bu, you need ntfs-3g... do you have it installed ?
06:08<bu>how can i see it?
06:08<obnibolongo>bu, wait, let me see man page :P
06:09<bu>i haven't
06:09<obnibolongo>bu, dpkg-query -s ntfs-3g
06:09<obnibolongo>bu, do note I'm using Ubuntu and not Debian, but I doubt a package like this as a different name
06:10<bu>and then etherything magically will works?
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06:10<obnibolongo>bu, do note: NTFS support in Linux is very good now. However, as with any work based on reverse-engineering a filesystem, you can in theory have problems
06:11<obnibolongo>bu, the usual warning applies: backup your data first :)
06:11<obnibolongo>bu, but yes, apt-get install ntfs-3g *should* do the trick
06:11<bu>i havent any data
06:11<obnibolongo>bu, but as I said, I'm using Ubuntu, not Debian, but should be the same
06:11<bu>iam install system few houra qgo
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06:12<bu>mini keyboard on eepc...
06:12<obnibolongo>heard of eeepc, don't know details :)
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06:15<chealer>bu: Linux's ntfs driver doesn't support full NTFS writing yet
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06:16<bu>chealer: when how can i access to ntfs?
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06:17<bu>do i need reconfig kernel?
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06:19<chealer>obnibolongo: no, Linux doesn't support more. If you want full read-write, you use ntfs-3g
06:20<bu>chealer: and what about kernel?
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06:21<obnibolongo>chealer, when I used "Linux" I mean GNU/Linux, the system, not the kernel
06:21<obnibolongo>* (...) I meant (...)
06:22<chealer>bu: as I wrote, Linux's ntfs driver doesn't support full NTFS writing yet
06:23<obnibolongo>wait a minute this a Debian channel why the hell do you want to recompile the kernel? ^^ I never compiled a kernel in Debian... I tried though but at the time I couldn't use make-kpkg to patch Linux with MPPE patches, something failed horribly at the middle of it :)
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06:28<hingwah>bu, apt-get install ntfs-3g ; mount -t ntfs-3g devicename directory
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06:28<bu>thx i'll try it
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06:56<uSuRa>I've upgraded to etch and now my disk performance is bad, seems the debian 2.6.18-5-486 kernel has issues in the aic79xx driver, is there a way to add options to aic79xx or can I install an updated kernel (if so how/from where ?)
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07:08<jasper>hi, i'm an opensuse user and currently evaluating debian.
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07:08<Skrat>jasper; cool
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07:08<Skrat>Like it so far? :-)
07:08<adii>hello. I've been asked to "monitor a network" by an association. What tools should I use to do that
07:09<jasper>i would like to know if there is any equivalent debian tool to opensuse's scpm tool
07:09<Skrat>adii; ARPWatch, Dsniff, TCPDUMP, and another sniffer of some kind
07:09<obnibolongo>jasper, hi, I'm a Gentoo Lover currently using Ubuntu and on Debian channel as well since Ubuntu is a "fork" of Debian
07:09<Skrat>Ubuntu is a "illegit deformed child" of Debian
07:09<Skrat>Nothing more
07:09<obnibolongo>adii, You mean, like the services or for intrusions?
07:09<jasper>skrat, yeah! debian is cool
07:09<obnibolongo>adii, ok Skrat got there first :P
07:10<Skrat>adii; but yeah, It depends on what you want to do to the network
07:10<adii>what they mean is, it's for a lan party, and they don't want people to go and do whatever they want
07:10<adii>limit their access to some services for instance
07:11<adii>i don't know exactly, but maybe restrict them from using MSN or stuff like that.
07:11<obnibolongo>Skrat, I personally would prefer Gentoo as bleeding-edge but I can't cope with compile times and the details of configuring things... Debian I don't know, I used it on the time the stable version was seriously lagged behind...
07:11<obnibolongo>why is less pinging me?
07:12<Skrat>adii; perhaps do some port blocking in the router preferences or something
07:12<obnibolongo>adii, you want a firewall and such
07:12<Skrat>obnibolongo; "lagged behind"? It's stable!
07:12<Skrat>They have to check it. >_>
07:13<obnibolongo>Skrat, I tried it a few years ago
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07:13<obnibolongo>Skrat, the stable was rock-solid stable
07:13<obnibolongo>Skrat, but "old"
07:13<obnibolongo>Skrat, compared with other distros
07:13<adii>Skrat: port blocking ? should I go and fondle into iptables or is there a more ergonomic solution ? ;)
07:14<Skrat>adii; in the router settings, I'd reccomend enabling port blocking or something
07:14<guillaume>is there any way to use a /dev/fw1 device with kino under sid ?
07:14<obnibolongo>Skrat, plus I needed MPPE support on the kernel and I was never able to use make-kpkg ^^
07:14<Skrat>What router do you have; adii?
07:14<Skrat>obnibolongo; ah
07:14<obnibolongo>Skrat, Gentoo was the first distro where I found detailed instructions on how-to do it
07:14<jasper>scpm stands for system configuration profile manager, with it i can specify, for example, different samba configurations depending on what network i am connecting to (home or office)
07:14<adii>I don't know. It's for a future lan-party and I don't have detailed information atm
07:15<Skrat>obnibolongo; thats cause people need a how-to to use Gentoo!
07:15<Skrat>It's not as easy to use as Debian. That dosen't make it bad, it's just not for the intermedeate user
07:15<obnibolongo>Skrat, personally I think everyone should use Gentoo and then migrate to other system. I mean, you have to read lenghty documentation, but you understand things, though you take 10x the time to do them
07:15<obnibolongo>Skrat, make-kpkg is daunting to a newbie...
07:15<Skrat>obnibolongo; I know how to compile stuff. :-)
07:16<obnibolongo>Skrat, I didn't :P
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07:16<obnibolongo>Skrat, only with Gentoo :)
07:16<Skrat>obnibolongo; ./configure && make && make install
07:16<obnibolongo>Skrat, ya, can you compile a kernel the Debian way? :P
07:16<obnibolongo>Skrat, "don't need" anwser not valid
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07:16<obnibolongo>Skrat, :P
07:17<obnibolongo>Skrat, can you create a package to install the compiled package in the Debian way? :P
07:17<amphi>what's difficult about make-kpkg ?
07:17<obnibolongo>Skrat, I don't :)
07:17<obnibolongo>amphi, takes time
07:17<obnibolongo>amphi, and MPPE patch was a bitch
07:17<amphi>you had to beat it into submission before it would apply?
07:17<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
07:18<Skrat>obnibolongo; What are you saying by that? I wasn't getting it
07:18<obnibolongo>amphi, I do have to mess with it again one of these days (make-kpkg, not MPPE :P) :)
07:19<obnibolongo>Skrat, I mean Gentoo is complicated to use, complicated to install, but you learn things. Then you move to Debian based and see how lucky you are and learn the Debian way AFTER knowing the "normal" way
07:19<amphi>you learn about gentoo ;)
07:19<Skrat>"Use redhat and learn about redhat" "Use slackware and learn about linux, or find that it fails, then use Gentoo"
07:19<obnibolongo>Skrat, bumping a new user without prior knowledge to make-kpkg or make-dpkg is haunting :)
07:20<obnibolongo>I'm not saying "Gentoo is better", do note that
07:20<obnibolongo>for some reason I'm using Ubuntu
07:20<Skrat>I know you're not, I am
07:20<Skrat>Slack is the suck
07:20<obnibolongo>I do miss the compilations though
07:20<amphi>a new user should probably not be building a kernel in the first place
07:20<obnibolongo>not the compile time though :P
07:20<Skrat>You can get apt-get to download the source, you know
07:20<Skrat>tHen compile it yourself
07:21<obnibolongo>amphi, true, but I was a new user who needed MPPE
07:21<amphi>I have no idea what that is
07:21<obnibolongo>amphi, MS-VPN support
07:21*amphi is very slightly the wiser
07:21<obnibolongo>Skrat, I was reading about apt-build the other day... Too limited, I should port emerge to Debian ^^
07:22<Skrat>Personally, I don't see Debian as your average desktop computer OS. I see it as a server OS.
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07:22<obnibolongo>amphi, :P
07:23<amphi>obnibolongo: thanks; I will no doubt read it nearer the time ;)
07:25<obnibolongo>amphi, :P
07:25<obnibolongo>Skrat, for the time, for the average consumer, yes
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07:26<Skrat>obnibolongo; rephrase that?
07:26<Skrat>Nothing more
07:26<Skrat>obnibolongo; rephrase that? <--
07:27<obnibolongo>Skrat, yes, Linux, for the time, for the average consumer won't be seen as nothing else than as a server OS, or a "geek" OS
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07:29<amphi>obnibolongo: I know several 'average consumers' who are happily using ubuntu
07:29<amphi>and they are infecting others
07:29<obnibolongo>amphi, Ya, when my mom is using it, we'll have this chat again
07:29<obnibolongo>amphi, ROFL "infecting"?
07:30<amphi>yeah, their friends see it, and they rave about it, and some of the friends go off and install it
07:30<amphi>I haven't heard of a single relapse in a redmondly direction
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07:30<obnibolongo>amphi, ok...
07:31<obnibolongo>amphi, I'm hard to impress
07:31<jasper>ok, i think i found what i'm looking for: switchconf
07:31<amphi>I'm not a big fan of ubuntu, but they seem to love it
07:31<obnibolongo>amphi, for the time being, I recommend Ubuntu only to those who ask me about it actively
07:31<obnibolongo>amphi, because otherwise I get to be the tech support guy
07:31<fxiny>freedom got nothing to do with average
07:31<fxiny>average sucks
07:32<obnibolongo>amphi, and those who actively seek information about it with me are less likely to annoy me for every single little problem they have
07:32<obnibolongo>fxiny, interesting statement
07:32<obnibolongo>fxiny, usually doesn't
07:32<obnibolongo>fxiny, doesn't mean it can't have
07:32<obnibolongo>fxiny, but ya, average sucks usually
07:33<amphi>I'm only very occasionally summoned to the helldesk; perhaps I find giving the odd bit of support less irksome than you do
07:33<obnibolongo>fxiny, in fact I've a theory, that average persons are in fact fake persons
07:33<fxiny>obnibolongo: no need to be guru or geek to enjoy a non-average os
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07:33<obnibolongo>fxiny, if everyone was true with themselves, there would be no average persons (in every aspect of their life at least ;) )
07:33<amphi>obnibolongo: as for impressing you, I assure you have no interest in doing any such thing
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07:34<obnibolongo>ok lost myself now
07:34<amphi>stack failure, heh
07:34<obnibolongo>amphi, and heap as well ^^
07:34<obnibolongo>my caps lock is blinking already :P
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07:35<amphi>my iwl4965 led is finally blinking, which is progress of a sort
07:35<used1>can someone pinpoint my location?
07:35<obnibolongo>(actually my Ubuntu has been blinking my Caps lock too much lately, it's kernel panicking too often and I don't know why, though I suspect my printer's USB cable, which would crash Windows XP, is once again being evil)
07:35<used1>been... trapped here...
07:35<used1>any humans around?
07:36<obnibolongo>We're all borg
07:36<used1>looking 4 hot blood?
07:36<obnibolongo>prepare to be assimilated
07:36<obnibolongo>resistance is futile!
07:36<used1>resistanse is always futile...
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07:37<used1>digital bastards...;)
07:37<used1>hey... it's UV...
07:37<used1>need some help here
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07:37<obnibolongo>amphi, I didn't get the impress me part
07:37<obnibolongo>amphi, but forget it :P
07:38<amphi>< obnibolongo> amphi, I'm hard to impress
07:38<used1>NinjaMan... you here?
07:38<used1>Devil_/.... daniel says hello...
07:38<obnibolongo>amphi, I was talking about ppl saying "Ubuntu is going towards the desktop" statements... Those statements are bollocks to me :P
07:39<obnibolongo>amphi, more marketing stuff than other thing
07:39<used1>halo halo....
07:39<used1>anyone here...
07:39<obnibolongo>used1, hi
07:39<amphi>obnibolongo: I expect it varies from place to place
07:39<used1>hello obnibolongo
07:39<used1>u real?
07:39<obnibolongo>used1, depends
07:39<obnibolongo>used1, did you take the red pill or the blue pill ?
07:39<used1>then you real
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07:40<obnibolongo>ok that's not good!
07:40<obnibolongo>anyway, nice talkin' to you all
07:40<obnibolongo>me going to have a bath :P
07:40<obnibolongo>cya later!
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07:40<obnibolongo>amphi, fxiny, used1, laterz ;)
07:41<fxiny>obnibolongo: see you
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07:46<shevek>What do I need to set my linux console (/dev/tty1 etc) to utf-8? I have a minimal system where I use a utf-8 curses application, but the accented characters are messing everything up. On my desktop, they look fine, though.
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07:50<kei>ya quelqu'un?
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07:51<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
07:52<adii>mais il faut parler anglais ici
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07:53<cahoot>I see?
07:53<kei>ok don't problem but my english is too poor
07:53<less>In this channel.
07:53<less>That is why you might want to join #debian-fr instead.
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07:53<kei>i don't know how install my web cam logitech with debian
07:54<kei>ok bye
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07:57<bcochofel>Hi, I've installed postfix and courier and now I'm trying to test the installation
07:57<bcochofel>How can I send mails from the console and see the logs for postfix?
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08:00<Woet>how doI make proftpd log everything? (including PUT and stuff)
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08:04<steph291>hi room
08:05<steph291>I found what's the problem with camserv, v4l and my 2 video devices ... /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 are pointing on the same device :(
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08:06<steph291>I finished Etch installation THEN I installed the pci capture card
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08:29<stoner>I have a weird issue...on my server there are processes running in top called "???" and they are linked to sshd, and sometimes when I do a w or uptime, it shows 0 users logged in, not even myself
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08:56<cahoot>professor: try /
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08:56<professor>Thanks cahoot
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09:38<Fill>hi, how can I know which debian version I am running?
09:38<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version
09:39<Fill>yeah but /etc/debian_version shows me "lenny/sid"
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09:39<Fill>Shouldn't it be 3.0, 4.0 or another number?
09:39<cahoot> dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 differs between those
09:39<dpkg>No packages found matching libc6 | tail -n 1 differs between those
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09:41<abrotman>Fill: no, because you're running an unreleased version, it has no number
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09:41<Fill>ahm, didn't know
09:42<Fill>the latest release is 4.0, right?
09:42<cahoot>4.0r3 released
09:42<cahoot>as per topic
09:42<Fill>I should be upgrading soon
09:42<Fill>thx for your help
09:42<Fill>see ya =)
09:43<witte>Fill: but if you are running lenny/sid, you are running 5.0 beta... (as other distros would call it
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09:43<stoner>I have a weird issue...on my server there are processes running in top called "???" and they are linked to sshd, and sometimes when I do a w or uptime, it shows 0 users logged in, not even myself
09:43<witte>Fill: what do you have in your sources.list?
09:43<mysupper_>hello guys
09:43<stoner>anybody have any idea?
09:43<Fill>i dunno when i downloaded this i was a noob
09:43<Fill>let me check witte
09:44<witte>Fill: in any case, don't paste it here (or use a paster, or past maximum 1 or two lines)
09:44<Fill>I think this is what we want
09:44<Fill>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070407-11:29]/ etch contrib main
09:45<chapajai>hi I am looking for help with debian + eclispse + web tools .... is someome here to ask for? thanks
09:45<Fill>so it seems I am with 4.0 r0
09:45<witte>Fill: ok, that is from your cdrom, are there no lines with http
09:45<Fill>yes there are
09:45<Fill>deb etch main
09:45<Fill>deb-src etch main
09:45<gravity>chapajai: I don't know much about those things, but if you ask a specific question then we might be able to help you
09:45<Fill>deb etch/updates main contrib
09:45<Fill>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
09:45<witte>Fill: ok, you are running etch
09:46<witte>Fill: if you do "aptitude update;aptitude dist-upgrade", you will be running 4.0r3
09:46<Fill>so if I want to upgrade my system I just need to download 4.0 r3, format and install it
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09:46<Fill>wow didn't know that
09:47<witte>Fill: or you can use synaptic or so if you happen to like gui stuff
09:47<Fill>if a new Debian version is released you don't need to format the computer in order to install the latest operating system?
09:47<cahoot>Fill: you don't fully realize the beauty of debian ;)
09:47<Fill>you're right
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09:48<Fill>I'm half noob
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09:48<gravity>That's like being half pregnant
09:48<Fill>I know some linux stuff
09:48<cahoot>you mean half virgin
09:49<Fill>I was a windows user, I was used to format the pc to upgrade the system
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09:49<witte>Fill: in principle no, but you should take caution
09:49<witte>Fill: but between 4.0 and 4.0r3, there is not a lot of difference, so that would be without problems
09:49<witte>Fill: those are mostly bugfixes
09:50<Fill>I see
09:50<mysupper_>Fill you just don't know upgrade system in debian, it can be done in one line command in debian not like windows.
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09:50<Fill>but when there are real changes, I should reinstall it?
09:50<Fill>from 4.0 to 5
09:50<mysupper_>Fill try follow witte 's advice.
09:50<gravity>Fill: People have Debian boxes that have been continuously upgraded to new versions for a decade or more
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09:52<Fill>just one more question
09:52<cahoot>and soon you won't even have to reboot for kernelupgrades
09:52<Fill>I need to change the partition size from my /dev/hda1
09:53<Fill>my home directory is too large and /dev/hda1 is too small, it's getting full
09:53<witte>Fill: how big is your /dev/hda1?
09:53<Fill>Can I reduce the /home directory and enlarge /dev/hda1 without destroying the system?
09:54<Fill>well about 6 GB or so
09:54<gravity>gparted should be able to do that
09:54<Fill>when I installed this I didn't even realise what these partitions were for
09:54<gravity>Or any of the other interfaces to parted really
09:55<cahoot>Fill: not a lot of leftover pkgs in /var/cache/apt?
09:55<Fill>I've already cleaned it
09:55<witte>Fill: yeah, as gravity said, gparted, but take backups of essential files first
09:55<Fill>I was with 96% of use in /dev/hda1
09:55<Fill>so I read some tutorials and cleaned all that stuff
09:55<Fill>and got 86% usage
09:56<Fill>but I feel I need more because I don't like having it in the limits
09:56<witte>Fill: 6 GB should be about enough, but you would have to do some regular maintenance for that. probably 10 GB should be appropriate if you don't install everything...
09:56<Fill>Yeah I have backups
09:57<Fill>so witte, resizing partitions will not delete my system
09:57<witte>Fill: in principle no, but i am always afraid if i have to do that :-)
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09:58<mysupper_>Fill do you use LVM?
09:58<witte>Fill: and it will not delete the system, but if you lose your partition table, the effect is about the same
09:58<Fill>I don't think so mysupper
09:58<Fill>what's that?
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09:59<dpkg>i heard lvm is at, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or and
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10:00<Fill>wiat, brb
10:00<Fill>Be Right Back :)
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10:01<mysupper_>Fill is not using LVM..and he is trying to increase 1st partition without losing data?
10:02<Fill|brb>I'm back :)
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10:02<mysupper_>I don't understand that.
10:03<witte>Fill: do you have a live cd? (debian live, knoppix, ubuntu) available?
10:03<Fill>I have the CD I used to install the system
10:03<Fill>downloaded the image from debian.r
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10:04<witte>I ask this because mysupper_ raised a valid question: I am unsure about the resizing of the root partition
10:04<Fill>what about LVM? Using it will not affect the system?
10:04<Fill>I could install it
10:05<mysupper_>Fill I guess it's time for you to learn LVM.
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10:05<valdyn>Fill: lvm requires a reinstall basically
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10:05<valdyn>Fill: i.e. if you want / on lvm
10:05<mysupper_>Fill try using them for your own risk. Ist thing to do is backup your data.
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10:05<fxiny>Fill: how big are : root and home ?
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10:05<Fill>root is about 6 GB
10:06<Fill>home + / - 50 GB
10:06<Fill>it's a 60 GB hard disk
10:07<valdyn>Fill: livecd containing gparted is all you need to shrink / grow any partition including their fs, if that fs is ext3
10:07<Fill>let me check
10:07<fxiny>the safest easy way imo is : use a live , tide home up and shrink it . install lvm2 and use the space for root
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10:08<fxiny>this way root is untouched
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10:08<Fill>/dev/hda1 is in ext3
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10:11<witte>Fill: what you also can do (but this requires a bit of "messing around", is splitting the second partion, moving a big directory (eg /usr or /var) from the first disk to the new one, adjust /etc/fstab, and pray ;-))
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10:12<Fill>maybe I'll use the live cd with gparted
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10:12<mysupper_>Fill If I were you and want to save data in /home , I will buy HDD.
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10:12<Fill>I don't have much data in /home
10:12<Fill>my documents are in another HD
10:12<mysupper_>Fill If I were you and data in /home is not so important , I will try use LVM>
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10:13<valdyn>Fill: the advatage of migrating to lvm is that it allows you maximum flexibility after you migrated, the issue is that its a little tricky to get right
10:13<Fill>i have a second disk, 160 GB, with my files
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10:13<mysupper_>Fill then move data in /home to 160GB hdd and reinstall debian using lvm and you never gonna do this thing again.
10:14<Fill>yeah that's a good way also
10:14<fxiny>a second hd ? so no problem : keep on cloning your first over
10:14<fxiny>no reinstall
10:15<Fill>guys I gotta go, next week I have a Maths examination
10:15<Fill>thanks for your help
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10:15<fxiny>anyway lvm2 rocks
10:15<fxiny>winstoze average users can dream of it :P
10:16<Fill>Later I'll search about LVM
10:16<Fill>see ya, and thanks
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10:16<valdyn>i wonder how to integrate lvm and btrfs raid facility reasonably well
10:17<mysupper_>valdyn do you use oracle in debian?
10:17<fxiny>oracle ?
10:18<valdyn>mysupper_: if you mean oracles database - no
10:18<fxiny>i read something today (register?) about oracle sploit : heheheheh
10:18<mysupper_>I heard some rumours using oracle in debian system.
10:18<dpkg>from memory, oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at or apt repository at
10:18<fxiny>lemme see if was the register
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10:20<DD>Hello I got a problem. I wont to give user1 rights to run only on scrips / (user2:user2) and this scrips have to start a new strips whit sudo user3, 4 or 5 so. The I have step one to work. But it say user1 don have right to run as user3, 4 or 5. I will like to do it so the user 1 have rights to run this strips and only if it runs this strips it have the rights to sudo to user3, 4 or 5. :)
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10:20<fxiny>nahhh is /.
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10:21<valdyn>DD: thats barely understandble, whats the goal of that exercise?
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10:23<DD>I have to use exec i php and do link to the web can be hack bye upload whit at sctrips. It will be use to start stop and reboot thinks :)
10:23<DD>whit at = a
10:23<valdyn>DD: try to type proper english or join a channel with your native language
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10:24<dpkg>methinks dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join in your irc client, also the country Denmark
10:25<abrotman>on freenode
10:25<abrotman>oh .. there's one here too
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10:27<mysupper_>DD then you need setsuid for the files runned in script , but don't do that on production servers.
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10:33<DD>mysupper_ Yes thanks :)
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10:38<hever>Is there a easy way to install icedtea under debian, perhaps via apt ?
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10:40<abrotman>i don't think it's packaged for public consumption yet
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10:41<hever>I found (just one minute ago)
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10:59<sysop2>hi guys
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11:00<sysop2>quick question, can I use dpkg to install a ubuntu deb or should I use alien on it?
11:00<abrotman>you can try, the result probably won't be pretty
11:00<sysop2>which one?
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11:01<abrotman>which package is it ?
11:01<sysop2>the kde grub editor
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11:02<sysop2>actuall its KGRUBEditor to captialize it correctly
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11:03<sysop2>do you think it will break my distro, or have a signicant chance of breaking my distro?
11:03*dpkg refuses to do you think it will break my distro, or have a signicant chance of breaking my distro
11:03<sysop2>why did dpkg repeat what I said?
11:03<abrotman>sysop2: it will likely mess stuff up
11:03<abrotman>do you think it will break my distro, or have a signicant chance of breaking my distro?
11:03*dpkg wouldn't dream of doing you think it will break my distro, or have a signicant chance of breaking my distro
11:03<abrotman>ok then
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11:04<sysop2>I think dpkg had a stroke
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11:04<less>dpkg is just a bot.
11:04<sysop2>I know
11:04<less>Oh, ok. ;-)
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11:05<sysop2>I wonder if alien would make it work better. I have had good experiences with alien before
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11:54<Flayer>whoever came up with apt needs a medal
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11:56<mysupper_>hmm..another failure using mergedfb at dual moniter using 1680x1050-1280x1024. :)
11:56<zarchne>It's part of a long tradition...
11:57<zarchne>(apt is).
11:57<witte>Flayer: according to /usr/share/doc/apt/changlog.gz: apt (0.0.1) unstable; urgency=low; * Initial Release.; -- Scott K. Ellis <> Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:49:28 -0500
11:57<Flayer>i need to go give that guy a hug
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12:05<umbra>i have a question about different processor architectures
12:06<umbra>how different are they?
12:06<umbra>i mean
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12:06<valdyn>umbra: why are you asking this in debian?
12:06<umbra>like will a linux disto that says its optimized for i486 run on i586?
12:06*dpkg smooches will a linux disto that says its optimized for i486 run on i586 on the lips
12:06<valdyn>umbra: why are you asking this in #debian?
12:06<valdyn>umbra: yes it will
12:07<umbra>because i am looking at the wikipedia page for debian
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12:07<umbra>and where is notes the architechtures there is the i386 port
12:07<valdyn>umbra: debian is probably "optimised" for 586
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12:08<fxiny>is dpkg taking brain pills ?
12:08<valdyn>umbra: the name "i386" is there for legacy reasons, debian doesnt actually support i386 cpus
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12:08<umbra>but that port is for x86
12:08<valdyn>umbra: no
12:09<valdyn>umbra: its for 80486 cpus and higher
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12:10<umbra>so if i want debian for x86 which port do i get?
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12:11<valdyn>umbra: you just dont understand what you are asking and talking about
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12:11<valdyn>umbra: the 386 debian is fine
12:11<chealer>umbra: for which CPU?
12:11<valdyn>umbra: unless you _really_ have a 386 cpu, but you dont.
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12:12<umbra>i have an x86 cpu
12:12<umbra>intel celeron
12:12<umbra>processor architecture generally confuses me
12:12<chealer>umbra: which Celeron? Debian has 2 ports for x86
12:13<umbra>why would it have two ports for x86?
12:14<chealer>umbra: different optimizations/support.
12:14<valdyn>umbra: because x86_32 and x86_64 are two distinctly different architectures
12:14<valdyn>umbra: but both are x86
12:14<umbra>i mean x86-32
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12:14<chealer>umbra: it doesn't
12:14<witte>umbra: if your pc is less than 10 years old, and you did not pay more than 2500 € for it, debian i386 should work on it
12:15<valdyn>umbra: you dont need to know all this, got a pc, use debian/i386
12:15<umbra>thats what i have
12:16<witte>umbra: you would know what processor you had in case you would need an other image ;-)
12:16<witte>umbra: unless you try to run debian on your dishwasher, pda, network storage device or something..
12:16<ananth123>umbra: get the program cpu-z and it will tell u what exactly you have/need.... its a windows program though..
12:16<zarchne>another debian in xen...
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12:17<umbra>i have windows on it now
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12:18<cory>im trying to get on the internet but firefox keeps shutting dow can anyone help me
12:18<witte>cory: using debian etch?
12:19<cory>im using ubuntu
12:19<witte>cory: and do you mean firefox or iceweasel, which version (installed through apt, or some other means)
12:19<zarchne>using the firefox (iceweasel) packaged in etch?
12:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:27<mysupper_>see you tomorrow guys~
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12:36<vini>anyone could give me some tips on backup software?
12:37<Scurz>vini: backup-manager ? rsync ?
12:37<vini>well, yes, something like rsync, but I also need to backup a NTFS file system
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12:38<vini>what would be the best wya to backup a mixed network?
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12:39<Scurz>vini: rynsc, I think so, but for a NTFS fs, I don't know because I don't use it
12:40<vini>Ok. I need to find a solution for my company. Most of the users have a home directory and are connected to a miscrosoft AD and I don't know much about it..
12:40<vini>I would like to use something like rsync for the linux system, but I on't have experience when it comes to NTFS
12:41<vini>I guess I will have to look for non free software...
12:43<vini>how well would ntfs-3g work? Is it mature anough to handle a backup system?
12:44<Scurz>vini: sorry, I have no information to backup NTFS fs, so, if nobody answers, post on the debian mailing-list ;0
12:44<vini>yes, I guess I will..
12:44<vini>Thanks Scurz!
12:47<Scurz>you're welcome
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12:49<hingwah>vini, you may check
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12:50<vini>Thanks hingwah!
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12:52<NinjaMan>if I use openbsd-inetd instead of inetutils-inetd can I remove the /usr/sbin/tcpd part of each entry because libwrap is built=in?
12:52<vini>Looks pretty stable according to that
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13:02<daniel_>my whole environment is in german but i want english language (in apt, in console, in gnome, everywhere), i cant find something like Select Language in the settings menu, how do i change the language?
13:04<zarchne>default locale?
13:05<fxiny>dpkg-reconfigure locales
13:05<daniel_>my default locale is en_EN-utf8...
13:06<daniel_>do i have to restart for all applications to have the english language?
13:06*dpkg eagerly does i have to restart for all applications to have the english language
13:06<witte>who has reprogrammed dpkg to react at "do"?
13:07<zarchne>daniel_: It helps...
13:07<fxiny>do do be do
13:07<witte>daniel_: try to log out and in again
13:07<witte>do i do
13:07<zarchne>do what now?
13:07<ranix>dpkg is a little buggy lately
13:07<less>Or on drugs. ;-)
13:08<ranix>a couple weeks ago he thought he was me
13:08<witte>zarchne: dpkg does a lot of things out of his own :-)
13:08<fxiny>a special bot brain pills brand :P
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13:08<ranix>do I have to test test
13:09<ranix>do I have to restart for all applications to have the english language
13:09<ranix>do I have to restart for all applications to have the english language?
13:09*dpkg refuses to do I have to restart for all applications to have the english language
13:09<ranix>do I have to test test?
13:09<ranix>do I have to restart?
13:09<less>A little more testing might be useful, yes. ;-)
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13:10<fxiny>dpkg: i wanna be hacked by you , just you : do do be do
13:10<witte>do i know what the error is?
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13:10<ranix>do I need to restart for all applications to have the english language?
13:10*dpkg wonders why she should do I need to restart for all applications to have the english language
13:10<ranix>do I test to restart for all applications to have the english language?
13:10*dpkg refuses to do I test to restart for all applications to have the english language
13:11<ranix>do I test test test for all applications to have the english language?
13:11*dpkg does I test test test for all applications to have the english language
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13:11<ranix>do test test test test for all applications to have the english language?
13:11*dpkg wouldn't dream of doing test test test test for all applications to have the english language
13:11<ranix>do test test test test test test test to have the english language?
13:11*dpkg does test test test test test test test to have the english language
13:11<cahoot>I think we got the message by now
13:11<ranix>do test?
13:11<ranix>do test test?
13:11<cahoot>ranix: you opting for bot status?
13:12<fxiny>"it" gets right "do i"
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13:12<ranix>cahoot: just trying to figure out what causes him to respond to that string specifically
13:12<ranix>do test test to ranix
13:12<Gekz>!ops there is a noob.
13:12<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gekz complains about: there is a noob.
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13:13<ranix>do test test to foo?
13:13<Ganneff>ranix: use /msg dpkg
13:13<ranix>I give up, I'm going back to lurking
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13:14<witte>Ganneff: but dpkg gives answers without being asked for...
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13:14<Ganneff>witte: and? no reason to annoy the channel with it
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13:15<zarchne>I wasn't annoyed.
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13:17<aerio> means 254 nodes, right?
13:17*zarchne nods
13:18<aerio>why some people says its 24 nodes
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13:18<cahoot>aerio: try out ipcalc
13:18<aerio>i know what it's mean but some people not believe me lol, what is ipcalc?
13:19<Scurz>aerio: "parameter calculator for IPv4 addresses"
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13:19<aerio>aah thanks
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13:20<Bruno-df>boa tarde a todos
13:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:20<witte>noflash: ah, yeah, probably br is better than es :)
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13:32<Scurz>If i try to burn a video cd with k3b, I get this message : " Only MPEG1 and MPEG2 video files are supported.", what to do ?
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13:36<sohxo>i installed mediawiki and mediawiki-extensions but geshi does not work.
13:37<sohxo>somehow php insists, that the file geshi.php does not exist, but the path is readable by www-data.
13:38<sohxo>the error is: ...No such file or directory in /usr/share/mediawiki-extensions/extensions/geshi.php ...
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13:39<sohxo>but when i use ls -al with this path it has 644 rights.
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13:44<aerio>i am noob using iptables, no rulz list its safe or its unprotected?
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13:59<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to update the mga drivers on my stable system?
14:00<witte>EmleyMoor: as in using the drivers from lenny?
14:00<Bidou>Is it the official channel of debian ?
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14:00<EmleyMoor>witte: As in using any that will allow Google Earth to run
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14:02<witte>EmleyMoor: :-), did you have a look at backports?
14:02<EmleyMoor>witte: Not yet but will do
14:02<barros>by yours poopy
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14:03<EmleyMoor>witte: Anything specific I should search for?
14:03<witte>Bidou: I guess so
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14:04<Bidou>ok thanks, because there're many
14:04<EmleyMoor>Everything I search for has either 0 or too many results
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14:05<witte>EmleyMoor: indeed, i was looking myself
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14:05<witte>EmleyMoor: i am not sure how easy it is to have a newer driver without upgrading entire xserver-xorg
14:05<EmleyMoor>witte: If it came to that, I'd do it
14:06<witte>EmleyMoor: and i don't know what you need to do to update the entire xserver-xorg...
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14:06<witte>I expect a lot of libraries that need to be updated as well...
14:06<witte>EmleyMoor: is lenny an option to you?
14:07<witte>or maybe a simple testing backport
14:07<witte>!simple testing backport
14:07<EmleyMoor>witte: On this system, not really - maybe a simple backport
14:07<witte>simple sid backport
14:07<witte>!simple sid backprot
14:07<witte>EmleyMoor: you know what i mean, my fingers don't feel like typing the correct thing
14:07<witte>EmleyMoor: to much coffee i guess :-)
14:08<EmleyMoor>It's all a case of knowing what to backport
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14:08<witte>EmleyMoor: i think you can try to update the video driver, and i think everything else will be pulled with it
14:09<witte>EmleyMoor: but as you might notice, I am quite unsure on how successful this will be...
14:09<EmleyMoor>witte: But I can't call it "the video driver" can I?
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14:10<EmleyMoor>All I know is what I have is too old for Google Eart
14:10<EmleyMoor>... and old Google Earth is no good as it's timed out
14:10<fxiny>EmleyMoor: still no luck ?
14:11<witte>EmleyMoor: can't you do apt-get source -b xserver-xorg-video-mga
14:12<EmleyMoor>Yes, I am tempted to try that.
14:12<witte>EmleyMoor: after you have put the lenny deb-src line and updated
14:14<EmleyMoor>If someone can confirm Google Earth will then work I will be even happier to
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14:17<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... E: Build-Depends dependency for xserver-xorg-video-mga cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package xserver-xorg-dev can satisfy version requirements
14:17<split>hi, i want to install debian and lookin for the right version to install, i though aout a 64bit sys cause i`m running win64 without a prolem (4gb ram). i guess i must use amd64 even for a intel quad?
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14:20<witte>split: yes, but mind that there are still some issues with 64 software (not the kernel, but things like flash, java plugin etc)
14:20<witte>split: you can run or i386 (all software available), or amd64 (small optimization advantages, especially memory usage if i am correct)
14:21<witte>EmleyMoor: bad luck
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14:23<split>witte, well i got 4gb ram i heard it is adressable with some kernel edits on 32bit too but i dont think i can handel it ;)
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14:24<witte>split: i run amd64, and i do not really have problems with it... so it is certainly workable (i do not have 4 GB though :()
14:25<fxiny>a 32 bit bigmem kernel can handle it
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14:26<split>well i tryed to set up debian amd64 stable a view days ago ut it did not work :( "hda: lost interrupt" ... any idears? i thought of trying the testing version cause its mutch newer and my hardware is quite new if that makes any sens?
14:27<the-dude>I am running amd64 with more then 4GB without problems
14:27<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
14:28<witte>split: the link above has the newest kernels for etch. That should work. There is also etchandhalf but i do not know if there are already iso's of that
14:28<dpkg>[etchnhalf] "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See:
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14:29<witte>split: ok, that is a no, just take the kmuto netinstaller. You can choose i386 or amd64...
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14:30<split>so all in all it couled just be a driver problem?
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14:30<witte>most likely your motherboard was not supported in etch (which has a kernel which is now over a year old...
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14:32<split>ok sound good ;) ok witch debian u suggest to use? (netinstall wouled be best)
14:32<witte>split: will it be a server or a desktop?
14:33<witte>split: and how good are you with linux/debian?
14:33<split>desktop, hmm kde and i will just try to get some multimedia and icq and surfing working, im quite a noob :)
14:34<witte>split: in that case, just use i386. Most things you will also be able to do in amd64, but for some things you need to do some tricks...
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14:37<split>witte is it hard to apply the big mem kernel? well hmm i`m kinda used to not get things working cause my hardware is just hard to get to work ;)
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14:38<split>i think i wouled prefer to try a 64it
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14:39<fxiny>split: apt will install for you : apt-cache show linux-image-686-bigmem
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14:41<witte>split: even with benchmarks, the difference between amd64 and i386 are barely noticable, so as a desktop user, you wont notice a difference
14:41<witte>split: and as fxiny told, after teh installation, install the bigmem kernel to have full use of your memory
14:41<witte>split: as fxiny told: it is very easy to install a new kernel
14:41<witte>split: and debian is all about choice. If you want to try amd64, just do it :P
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14:42<fxiny>witte: :)
14:42<witte>sigh, stupid internet :-)
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14:42<witte>I type to fast
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14:43<witte>split, in any case, good luck with your install, i need to go
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14:44<split>benchmarks, the difference between amd64 and i386 <- yeah at win did not realy see a difference, ut i just want to try, where i get a netinstall for an appropriate amd64 netinstall
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14:44<split>ok thx alot so far
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14:47<split>ok ill try amd64 from
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14:47<split>if i got myself into troule ill just ask :D, thx
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14:48<less>Good luck, split.
14:49<kei>maybe you can help me less
14:49<kei>do you have time for me?
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14:50<less>Just ask.
14:50<less>If I can't help, maybe someone else can.
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14:58<sohxo>i installed mediawiki with geshi, but somehow i cannot highlight my code.
14:59<sohxo>do i need to configure anything except just activating the extension?
14:59*dpkg does i need to configure anything except just activating the extension
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15:04<alex111>I'm getting this error "error while starting the listener for the sip protocol" when starting ekiga-gtkonly. it has something to do with gconf.
15:04<alex111>does anybody know how to fix it? thanks.
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15:14<EmleyMoor>Is there anything more I could do to get Google Earth working? Local compile of drivers or something? (not that I like stepping too far outside letting apt look after it)
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15:15<tj_>hello all
15:15<EmleyMoor>Alternatively I could always consider changing the card...
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15:17<EmleyMoor>One that allows Google Earth to work in stable, ideally on free drivers, would be good
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15:37<tj_>will someone help me set-up cpufreqd for turion X2 ? i cant remember how and i have only done it once with help. ia m getting error: no such device
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15:37<kei>ya quelqu'un?
15:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
15:37<tj_>Gathond... you around here?
15:38<kei>someone can help me?
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15:39<the-dude>tj_: check
15:40<kei>i want to have amsn 0.97 but i habe problem
15:40<kei>i have debian etch
15:40<tj_>the_dude... i have looked at many cpufreqd man pages and my issue is that it doesnt pick up my CPU's
15:40<kei>how i can do that please
15:41<amphi>kei: perhaps there's a backport
15:42<the-dude>kei: download the tarball and use alien
15:42<kei>i have sage,sage/update,etch and etch/update
15:42<kei>with synaptic?
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16:09<cjs>Is there a FAQ out there on how to migrate from Ubuntu gutsy to etch?
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16:25<nahsan>helo with
16:25<nahsan>can't get rar non-free to work
16:25<nahsan>requires GLIBC_2.4
16:26<davi>I use it
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16:38<Xenguy>cjs: Just install Debian etch :-) Or if you want you could install in a virtual machine first
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16:47<homer>how can i see the list of available chats???
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16:48<homer>I want to find a chat that issues java develpment issues
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16:50<steph291>is it possible to have to video caprture device on etch (one usb quickcam express and one pci capture card bt848) ?
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16:50<steph291>I mean *two
16:50<steph291>I'm having a lot of problem seting that up :(
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16:58<`n>ok great kde is running now :) - how do i change the freq of my monitor in settings - periphals - display i cant change it
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17:02<loopdee>how is everyone doing
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17:06<split>loopdee well i`m nearly dieing cause auf 60hz linking me to death :D
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17:07<loopdee>im just trying to figure out why this ms wireless keyboard is showing up in my joystick
17:07<split>once i had a page that was creating me a xorg.conf any idear aout it?
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17:08<loopdee>i guess would depend on your setup
17:08<loopdee>uh sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
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17:15<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>.
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17:20<blathijs>Is there a known issue with sudo not putting /sbin in PATH on Etch? Or, can anyone tell me how /sbin is supposed to end up in there?
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17:32<ranix>Help! I have a C program stuck in an infinite loop that I ran from Vim. I can't kill -9 it for some reason, nothing happens. Nor when I try to kill vim. I cannot start a new terminal or sudo. How do I recover from this crisis without rebooting?
17:32<amphi>ranix: does kill -11 work?
17:32<ranix>let me try
17:33<Xenguy>amphi: what does -11 do?
17:33<amphi>Xenguy: sends deadly signal 11 - SEGV
17:33<Xenguy>ranix: it seems to be a sin to reboot in *nix circles
17:34<Xenguy>amphi: I assume that's more deadly than a -9
17:34<ranix>well there shouldn't be anything one program can do to hose anything this bad
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17:34<Xenguy>ranix: true
17:34<amphi>Xenguy: it's succeeded in killing things when for some odd reason 9 hasn't worked
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17:34<Xenguy>amphi: tx, adding that to my bag of tricks :-)
17:35<ranix>I guess I will reboot
17:35<ranix>I wish I knew what I screwed up
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17:35<amphi>ranix: what happens if you kill the shell vim was run in?
17:35<ranix>I think I'm checking for a null pointer but the pointer is uninitialized
17:35<ranix>amphi: let me try
17:35<Xenguy>systems unfortunately do go haywire occasionally
17:35<amphi>ranix: or on that VT, do alt-sysrq-k ?
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17:36<cruxfau>I'm trying to install Debian Etch with Xfce on a Thinkpad 600X, but on each attempt, it hangs while installing GRUB. Any suggestions?
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17:36<ranix>amphi: it was an xterm
17:36<ranix>amphi: I just killed X, no dice
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17:38<ranix>nope I'm hosed
17:39<ranix>wow pressing the power button doesn't signal the system to halt
17:39<ranix>brb hard powering off
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17:47<bigfoot>buenas noches
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17:51<split>where do i add modeline in the xorg.conf?
17:51<kevin>auf deutsch?^^ xD
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17:51<valdyn>split: read the manpage?
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17:59<xente>anyone know where I could go to ask firewire questions?
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18:04<abrotman>xente: you can ask here if someone is around to answer
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18:05<xente>I'm sure this question has been debated a lot but does anyone know why raw1394 isn't included in the debian kernel?
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18:07<abrotman>xente: there's probably a record in the debian-kernel mailing list .. it's a new stack, or something .. the old one was abandoned maybe?
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18:07<xente>thnx again
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18:14<abrotman>xente: i see a few threads in the last few months
18:15<chealer>xente: it's part of the old firewire stack, which isn't built in Debian kernels anymore
18:16<xente>do you know why they switched drivers?
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18:18<abrotman>xente: to make all the software non-functional apparently
18:19<chealer>xente: you could see one argument is the old stack would be less secure
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18:19<xente>thanks for the link
18:19<abrotman>chealer: yeah .. obviously since the new one doesn't work at all :)
18:20<chealer>abrotman: well, I wouldn't say it doesn't work
18:20<chealer>abrotman: I just get a black screen why trying to capture from my camera
18:20<abrotman>chealer: is that all?
18:21<chealer>abrotman: I suppose that's what they call "security through obscurity"
18:22<chealer>abrotman: actually I think it just refuses to detect the camera
18:22<abrotman>so it doesn't work :)
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18:23<chealer>abrotman: these Linux maintainers!
18:23<xente>i think software hasn't caught up because they still look for the raw1394 device
18:23<mzhang>any chance that start-stop-daemon can start two instances of the same program (with different parameters)?
18:23<abrotman>xente: yes, but they also say the new stack isn't very stable
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18:23<chealer>and has feature regressions from the old stack, IIRC
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18:26<xente>since the new stack isn't very stable and the old one is excluded, it leaves me up in the air....bummer
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18:26<abrotman>xente: holger created some unofficial kernel packages with the old stack
18:27<xente>do you know where they are at?
18:27<abrotman>go to .. look down the right side for Holger's blog .. look through his posts for the last few months
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18:28<chealer>abrotman: IIRC Holger's repository "doesn't work" neither though
18:29<abrotman>i haven't used it .. i'm just regurgitating what i read on his blog
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18:29<andyg>hi I'm trying to compile a driver on a fresh 4.0 install and am getting an error returned from 'make' "make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop."
18:30<andyg>I've installed build-essential, and tools from the kernel compile howto
18:30<EmleyMoor>What's the driver?
18:32<EmleyMoor>andyg: Is that in Debian?
18:32<andyg>yes, a fresh 4.0 install
18:32<EmleyMoor>andyg: I mean is that driver source in Debian?
18:32<EmleyMoor>If not, where did you get it from?
18:32<andyg>I could not find an a package or a .deb if that is what you mean
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18:34<andyg>sorry for the delay, had to find that
18:34<andyg>I think it may simply be an issue with kernel headers
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18:35<EmleyMoor>andyg: Presumably you have read the documentation that came with it?
18:35<andyg>yes I have
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18:36<EmleyMoor>OK - well, assuming you have all it says you need there, and you are following what it says to the letter, I can't advise further
18:36<andyg>uname -a reports my kernel as 2.6.18-6-686, but the installed headers appear to be 2.6.18-7-686
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18:38<andyg>well, thank you
18:39<steph291>question :
18:40<steph291>is it possible to run 2 capture devices in Etch (bt848 and quickcam express usb) ?
18:40<EmleyMoor>steph291: Should be - assuming it is possible to run each alone
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18:41<andyg>I us a quickcam express and a btxxx tv tuner on a very similar distribution succussfuly and simultaniously
18:42<xente>is it easy to compile the raw1394 driver only?
18:42<steph291>I'm reinstalling Etch... my previous attempt the pci capture wasn't in the pc... after installation I plugued the card (qcam usb module was working)
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18:42<steph291>not a good idea to plug the pci card AFTER installation
18:43<TheTiki>No, then you have to configure it and all that drag...
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18:43<TheTiki>Hey anyone know how to force a ping out of a specific eth on a multihimed host?
18:43<steph291>I really like Etch...
18:43<andyg>yes yes man ping
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18:43<abrotman>TheTiki: man ping .. it's pretty clear
18:44<andyg>it may be -I
18:44<andyg>it is not -i :)
18:44<TheTiki>No, like I want to ping out of eth0, eth1 and eth 2 and log the results...I'm having a problem with my router and I need to find out where it is coming from
18:44<steph291>"ping interface specific" in google
18:45<abrotman>TheTiki: man ping .. it tells you how to specify an interface
18:45<TheTiki>thanks steph...
18:45<andyg>ping -I <iface>
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18:45<TheTiki>EXTACTLY! OK, I thought so, I must have typo'd a few times.
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18:46<abrotman>i can see how you'd typo that
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18:48<andyg>I cannot find a package for 2.6.18-6-686, I think the build-essential package gave me 2.6.18-7-686, can someone help with this?
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18:51<xente>does anyone know how to compile a single driver in the source tree and install it?
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18:53<EmleyMoor>xente: Which driver?
18:54<chealer>andyg: what package for 2.6.18-6-686?
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18:56<andyg>I could not find a kernel header package for2.6.18-6-686
18:56<abrotman>andyg: apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.18-7-686
18:57<andyg>doig it
18:58<andyg>unable to locate package...
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18:58<chealer>andyg: what's your favorite package manager?
18:59<andyg>I can manage apt
18:59<andyg>a little :)
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18:59<chealer>abrotman: etch still has 2.6.18-6
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19:00<abrotman>i know
19:00<chealer>andyg: apt is a library/package, not a package manager. how do search it?
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19:00<chealer>s/do search/do you search/
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19:00<andyg>aptitude gui search bos all
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19:01<andyg>sorry synaptic
19:02<abrotman>andyg: apt-cache depends linux-headers-2.6-686
19:02<salvin>andyg, apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686
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19:02<chealer>andyg: search for linux-headers-2.6 instead. what do you get?
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19:03<aquaboot>if there is only a source dist for a program and I install it, does it screw things up because I didn't use apt or aptitude?
19:03<dpkg>well, stow is a nifty program used to manage /usr/local/ hierarchy -- it keeps all programs seperate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game
19:03<andyg>apt-cache depends linux-headers-2.6-686
19:03<andyg>dang it
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19:03<tj__><---- wonders what is the fastest method of cpu freq scaling is... powernowd and cpudyn step too slowly. and threshold is high before stepping up.
19:04<aquaboot>I may need to edit a make file and make from source, but does that put my system in a weird state?
19:04<amphi>tj__: ondemand is the best governor, at least for intel; it's tweakable, if you don't like the default behaviour
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19:05<tj__>AMD here.... and am using powernow_k8 driver... i want to use acpi_cpufreq but cannot get it to work... a google search says it sould be compatable with the cpu
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19:06<andyg>salvin: chealer linux-headers-xxxxx did it, thank yous
19:06<tj__>User Gathond in here about a week ago walked me through it and it worked excellent... new install cant repeat that sucess
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19:06<aquaboot>I guess I'm used to ports in freebsd which takes care of dependencies.
19:07<aquaboot>for source programs
19:07<tj__>amphi, gov is set to ondemand like you suggest
19:07<chealer>aquaboot: what do you mean by "source dist"?
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19:08<aquaboot>anything I need to compile myself
19:08<aquaboot>not a binary like a .deb package
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19:08<tj__>amphi cpu will have to go over about 50% to step up.....
19:08<acidRod>hi all
19:08<aquaboot>shouldn't have said "dist"
19:09<amphi>tj__: when would you want it to step up before that?
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19:09<EmleyMoor>Apart from the fact I can't run Google Earth, I am currently more than happy with etch
19:10<tj__>i dunno... before it was stepping about 20%
19:10<tj__>i want it touchy for AC and maybe 75% for batt
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19:10<tj__>just want to run cooler on AC and extend battery
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19:11<tj__>the turion64 X2 is a toaster even idle is warm without reduced CPU
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19:12<tj__>idle at 800mhz gives about 45 C and idle at full 1.9 can sometimes if ambient is high up to 65 but norm 1.9 idle is around 55
19:12<tj__>i like 45 better
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19:14<amphi>tj__: perhaps you can tweak stuff in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/
19:15<tj__>how do you unload a scaling driver if say i wanted to experiment with another? amphi, actually i do not have an "ondemand" file but rather "scaling_governor" is set to ondemand
19:17<tj__>weird.... somehow it changed itself.... cpufreq-info give s gov as powersave now... it was working like 5 min ago?
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19:18<andyg>rmod <module name> ?
19:19<amphi>tj__: maybe you have some daemon that's fiddling with it?
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19:21<tj__>i figured out why i changed... "I" was fiddling with it...LOL i switched from cpudyn to cpufreqd and i guess it pulls the gov infro from /etc/freqd.conf
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19:21<tj__>rather than the /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
19:22<acidRod>i got a problem with my speakers, they dont work, i have sound only on my headphones, what can i do?
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19:22<EmleyMoor>acidRod: Are they powered speakers?
19:22<tj__>acidrod, can you change it in alsamixer?
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19:22<acidRod>alsamixer shows just 2 channels pcm and master
19:23<acidRod>both are at 100%
19:23<tj__>what make of laptop? I had to ad "option snd-hda-intel model=toshiba" to sound in modprobe.d i think it was
19:23<acidRod>im using a laptop
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19:23<tj__>i will check if you have toshiba
19:23<Jmd>I need some help with the gnome network manager
19:23<Jmd>It won't hold my setup.
19:23<acidRod>i have a dell vostro 1500
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19:24<andyg>make a location jmd?
19:24<acidRod>and sound works but only by using headphones, integrated speakers dont work
19:24<Jmd>andyg: I did, but then it changes it to a blank location.
19:25<Jmd>so everytime I reboot I have to go into network manager and set the location so it'll change all my settings back.
19:25<tj__>yes.. the model="your model" value tends to change your available channel selection
19:25<tj__>for me atleast
19:25<Jmd>can I make a location the default or something, somehow?
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19:25<andyg>I do not know, you can edit /etc/network/interfaces
19:25<tj__>i am a newbie.. i just had similar issues
19:25<tj__>could be wrong.
19:26<tj__>atleast look at /etc/modprobe.d/sound
19:26<amphi>tj__: I find the best is to have no daemon, and just use ondemand
19:26<Jmd>andyg: I'll try, I tried before but I'll go look up more info on that because I probably didn't edit it properly.
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19:26<acidRod>ok tj__ im going to check it out
19:26<andyg>try to find a sample or example use that
19:27<tj__>amphi.... that works? do i just self-create the ondemand file/dir?
19:27<tj__>as i do not have a ondemand dir or file in the cpufreq directory
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19:30<tj__>amphi.... gov aside.. what is your driver? you have intel vs my AMD perhaps thats the difference...
19:30<tj__>acidRod.... anything interesting in there?
19:31<amphi>tj__: perhaps
19:31<amphi>tj__: you can set the governor to use in /etc/sysfs.conf
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19:32<amphi>tj__: devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = ondemand
19:33<tj__>i'll look at that sysfs.conf
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19:37<tj__>how about scaling speed amphi
19:38<amphi>tj__: what about it?
19:38<tj__>is that max or min?
19:38<amphi>you can't set that manually unless you use the userspace governator
19:39<tj__>my whole file is # line by line?
19:39<tj__>nm... its an example.. i am tired... my file is empty
19:40<tj__>geesh i was up till 3 am last night working on this thing and then went to work at 7
19:40<k-man>i added a sata raid card to my debian box, but for some reason it doesn't show up in lspci, how can i diagnose why its not showing up?
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19:51<Bruno-df>boa noite caros amigos
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19:52<Bruno-df>estou com uma duvida estou tentando editar o fonte do gcacl, mas quando abro o arquivo aparce tudo criptografado, queria saber como faco para editar o fonte
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19:55<Bruno-df>help-me boys
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20:28<andyg>thanks for the help all
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20:30<oompa_loompa>how can I tell what is my soundcard file name under /dev ?
20:31<steph291>hockey time, ch 1 - flyers 2, 7~ min. second period
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20:33<oompa_loompa>is there a way to tell?
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20:33<steph291>3-1 flyers jezuzc...
20:34<steph291>cu all
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21:22<tj__>amphi you still here?
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21:23<tj__>Gathond how bout you?
21:23<tj__>tis kinda quiet in here.....
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21:24<tj__>would someone mind taking a look at my pastebin in regards to cpufreqd and acpi_cpufreq driver?
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21:27<man>which is better, debarchiver or reprepro?
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21:28<tj__>i just added cpufreq-info output to the same pastebin if anyone would have any suggestions i can make powernowd work. using powernow_k8 but its seriously slow to step freq.
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21:28<tj__>would someone mind taking a look at my pastebin in regards to cpufreqd and acpi_cpufreq driver?
21:30<man>acpi_cpufreq must not be finding what it needs to work
21:30<man>in other words, your laptop does not support it
21:30<tj__>thats how it appears except with the 486 kernel it worked
21:31<tj__>but it was only controlling one processor no SMP in 486
21:32<chealer>tj__: looks like you forgot to save your changes
21:33<man>also which is better, dput or dupload?
21:33<plugwash>anyone know how to use dig to do an ipv6 reverse lookup?
21:34<tj__>how to save? i mean i tried adding it to etc/modules "acpi_cpufreq"
21:34<man>nvm contains a discussion on dput vs dupload
21:36<tj__>chealer, how do you suggest i save the changes?
21:36<chealer>tj__: you forgot to save the changes to your paste
21:38<tj__>try it now...
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21:40<tj__>actually i just re-installed cpufreqd and it seems to be in powersave now
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21:43<chealer>tj__: same. you can try by yourself
21:43<tj__>been trying all afternoon......nm
21:44<tj__>just tell me if /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor is the correct place to edit and chood gov mode plx
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21:47<tj__>acpi_cpufreq is supposed to be a general driver... working directly witht he kernel/bios. as far as i understand i have tons of reading on this and the man pages dont give all req. info
21:47<tj__>but that driver will not take i can modprobe powernow_k8 no problem but its not as responsive cause i used to use the acpi driver
21:48<tj__>i am gaining some level of experience bit by bit just stuck once again
21:48<bleh`>Can anyone help me My numlocks is not enabling, but light is showing on keyboard
21:48<tj__>and i am REALLY trying... google, manpages, experimenting
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21:51<tj__>chealer i understand that you feel like i am using this IRC as a crutch... and you were right... it was "easier" that way.... but this is legit... how can i prove that? i bet your sitting there laughing your a** off.
21:52<elky>tj_, such accusatios will not hasten any help.
21:52<chealer>tj__: how can you prove what?
21:53<tj__>that i have been "trying myself".
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21:55<isaac_>hi the room
21:56<tj__>is the acpi_cpufreq in fact not compatable with AMD? only Intel?
21:56<tj__>i am nearly certain its what i was using.
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21:57<tj__>amphi says that no deamon is required... i have tried cpufreqd, powernowd, and cpudyn. i can make powernow d work... on demand whatever gov i want.. but its so slow to change freq.
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21:58<tj__>brb cig time
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22:02<tj__>i'm back...
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22:09<pinto3>hello, i was wondering if anybody here's used the new oss drivers and has any idea how to fix these errors up at runtime
22:09<pinto3>i had the selective sound happen once before, when it quit on me, but only rebooting seems to help
22:09<pinto3>the system went down for hibernate last night, when it was working good, but now it's not
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22:21<bleh`>When i boot into kdm i login with my numlocks are working but when i sign on the wm and try to use numlock its does not work any idea light is on, G15 Keyboard.
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22:22<neotek>I have a problem with the debian installer if anybody cares to help :-)
22:23<stephen>neotek, like whatt
22:24<neotek>ok, I have a motherboard that has a via sata controller. The controller is confirmed to be working in 2.6.24 with sata_via
22:24<neotek>the debian installer has sata_via, but it doesn't find my hard drives
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22:25<plugwash>what version of the debian installer?
22:25<plugwash>have you checked what kernel the installer is actually running on?
22:25<neotek>the newest stable
22:25<stephen>neotek, can you setup option in bios for sata to work with ide?
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22:25<neotek>yes, it's using like 2.6.18
22:25<stephen>plugwash, do you know what it's called? You can setup SATA to work as IDE or something, my system has it
22:25<neotek>unfortunately, it a cheaper motherboard, so there doesn't appear to be a legacy option
22:25<stephen>neotek, ah
22:26<neotek>i could probably use a debian testing installation cd, but i don't know how hard it would be to go back to stable
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22:27<neotek>didn't know if you guys knew any tricks that i could use
22:27<stephen>can you add a pata drive?
22:27<neotek>yea, i can do that
22:27<stephen>neotek, try asking at freenode
22:27<plugwash>neotek you could try the image at
22:27<neotek>so you would recommend installing to a pata drive, then putting the new kernel in, then copying over to sata?
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22:28<stephen>neotek, no, install on the pata ghost onto the sata
22:28<neotek>i know it's fairly easy to go from stable to testing, but can i do the same by changing the apt sources list?
22:28<stephen>but that's a bit to much work
22:28<neotek>well, i'd have to change /etc/fstab and such
22:28<neotek>and i'd have to put a newer kernel on there after it was setup
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22:29<stephen>neotek, yes
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22:29<stephen>that might help
22:30<neotek>ah, that looks good :-)
22:30<stephen>those include 2.6.24-4
22:30<neotek>you find that via google?
22:30<stephen>pretty much
22:30<neotek>i looked around, didn't find anything :(
22:30<stephen>DEBIAN SATA ETCH
22:30<stephen>was what i searched
22:30<neotek>been using debian for around 7 years, figured i'd be pretty efficient by now
22:30<stephen>^^ Good luck
22:30<neotek>heh, thanks
22:30<stephen>no problem
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22:35<chealer>tj_: yes, it is the correct place (for that "processor")
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22:42<tj__>chealer, just wanted to let you know... that its a done deal and stepping is working fine.. i know now what is making such a difference in speed stepping.
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22:42<pinto3>damn, guess i'll have to do it the windows way
22:43<pinto3>nobody'd experience with the oss drivers and could give me advice about not-having to restart
22:43<bleh`>When i boot into kdm i login with my numlocks are working but when i sign on the wm and try to use numlock its does not work any idea light is on, G15 Keyboard
22:43<tj__>sorry.... :(
22:43<pinto3> maybe not the right place to ask, but the busiest oss room had 8 people in it
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22:45<tj__><---- is newbie and own hardware in debian etch was a nightmare dont know about oss
22:45<pinto3>i'm no module loading expert, but maybe if i reloaded the ones listed it'd work.. never dealt with modules myself
22:46<tj__>couldnt find anyother with similar issues?
22:46<pinto3>nah, tried in freenode and this room, the xfi drivers are early-beta, so there's not much posted about them
22:46<mysupper_>pinto3, oss has gone away, we don't treat them right driver in debian, use alsa.
22:47<tj__>mysupper! how are ya tonight.... chealer was being mean to me earlier LOL
22:47<pinto3>i haven't seen any alsa references to the xfi drivers or i would
22:47<mysupper_>tj_, ^^;
22:48<tj__>ah another long night of Debian IRC
22:48<alaya>bleh`: you can use showkey to see of key presses are even registering
22:48<mysupper_>pinto3, didn't you find any hardware possible in alsa home page?
22:48<tj__>so me and Ksensors have made peace
22:48<pinto3>last i checked they weren't planning on doing any development on them
22:48<pinto3>since the spec sheets weren't being released or something similar
22:49<bleh`>alaya: how do i go about doing this
22:49<mysupper_>pinto3, then,,you have wrong hardware can be run in debian.
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22:49<alaya>bleh`: man showkey
22:49<pinto3>it can be run, but with non-alsa drivers
22:49<gsimmons>mysupper_: There is (currently) no support for the Sound Blaster X-Fi within ALSA.
22:49<mysupper_>pinto3, you should forget sound setting in debian using your sound card not supported by alsa.
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22:49<gsimmons>pinto3: Datasheets have (finally) been released to an ALSA developer.
22:50<pinto3>i'd rather use oss than windows, it's more compatible with what i do most of the other times
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22:50<alaya>pinto3: you could check the oss project, since they re-released their drivers openly last year
22:51<bleh`>this is weird
22:51<tj__>oh, mysupper just for reference... I dont need any help this time cause Chealer gave me such a hard time.... but is or isnot apci_cpufreq compatable with AMD?
22:51<pinto3> is where i got pointed to them
22:51<bleh`>it was working last boot
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22:51<chess>hey what is bitchx?
22:51<mysupper_>tj__, well don't know about AMD cpu scaling. sorry. :)
22:52<tj__>k, thanks anyways.
22:52<markybob>hey all...trying to apt-get update in a chroot and getting this error. any thoughts on what it means or how i can fix it?
22:52<bleh`>chealer: console based irc client
22:52<tj__>i read that it worked both ways intel and amd
22:52<alaya>chess: doesn't your package manager return information on packages, including description?
22:52<tj__>and other pages i landed on said no
22:52<pinto3>and they work 100% aside from a little pause when loading new files, not working after hibernate(maybe or some other abnormal shutdown state), and not working with most of the debian gnome sound plugins
22:52<tj__>brb cig time
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22:52<alaya>chess: oh, this is #debian. apt-cache show bitchx
22:53<chess>right now i'm using x chat
22:53<pinto3>good to hear gsimmons, i'll keep an eye open
22:53<bleh`>alaya: i dont get this showkey thing
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22:57<pinto3>lol, well if only i'd known a bit about these module commands, just had to reload the osscore
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22:59<VTommy>hello guys
22:59<VTommy>got a quick question
23:00<VTommy>just started using debian, and i kind of delete the main tool bar anyway to restore it?
23:00<pinto3>do you see a little arrow on the top left?
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23:01<markybob>pinto3 hrm. i have family in newark named pinto.
23:01<pinto3>n/m i see what you did, i'll try and do the same thing and see if i can help
23:03<VTommy>toolbar is gone all together i wanted to delete something in the bar but i deleted the bar itself
23:04<VTommy>thanks pinto3
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23:05<chealer>VTommy: you use GNOME, right?
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23:08<VTommy>i think i found it well i created a new one
23:08<VTommy>and put back the stuff in it :-)
23:08<pinto3>i'm kind of stumped tommy :p
23:09<pinto3>maybe copy the .gconf directory from root/.gconf to yours
23:09<pinto3>but first back yours up :)
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23:10<VTommy>well i think i have it done :-) well i got what i had before just not sure if everything is working testing it now
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23:10<VTommy>seems ok :-)
23:10<VTommy>well thanks for help pinto3 :-)
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23:18<VTommy>hello again guys, 1 more small question
23:19<VTommy>how do i get apache to recognize my folder i greated in /var/www/test
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23:20<preto>alguem pode me ajudar??
23:21<preto>Não foi possível abrir o local 'file:///mnt/Windows'
23:21<preto>Detalhes: Não existe uma ação padrão associada a este local.
23:21<preto>depois q usei o wine ficou assim
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23:22<pinto3>#debian-es might be better for you, i thinkt hat's spanish
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23:25<chealer>VTommy: what do you mean by getting apache to recognize a folder?
23:26<chealer>!tell preto about pt
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23:42<mzhang>Any way to power off a USB external hard drive or flash drive after unmount it?
23:44<qq>hdparm -Y /dev/sda , for example
23:44<mzhang>doesn't work
23:44<mzhang># hdparm -Y /dev/sdc
23:44<mzhang> issuing sleep command
23:44<mzhang> HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(sleep) failed: Invalid argument
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23:45<mzhang>sorry I was kicked out, but hdparm -Y, sdparm --command=stop, or sg_start --stop won't work.
23:46<mzhang>qq: actually sdparm might have worked (no err message), but the light was still on, means it is not powered down.
23:47<tj__>where is a good place to find linux themed hi-res wide wallpapers? any suggestions?
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23:48<qq>mzhang: means only that you may remount , if you want
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23:49<tj__>whats the scoop on NTFS mounts in debian? Safe? Efficient?
23:51<qq>mzhang: you may also hear when he stop
23:51<mzhang>qq: the thing is... it does not stop, at least I dont hear the spin down.
23:52<VTommy>anyone can help me out with php5 problem, pages will not load :-(
23:52<VTommy>for php
23:52<VTommy>just a blank page
23:52<cwood>Try #php?
23:53<mzhang>tj__: NTFS read is supported by kernel, there is a userspace ntfs tool called ntfs-3g for writing, but I refrained from using it.
23:53<qq>mzhang: don't now
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23:53<pinto3>mounting by default is read write for ntfs
23:53<mzhang>qq: thanks any way.
23:53<qq>np mzhang
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23:54<pinto3>i copied files from windows no problem, and from within windows from linux
23:55<VTommy>no one to help in php :-(
23:56<tj__>mzhang... you cant just add it to the fstab?
23:56<tj__>i think i did that before...
23:56<chealer>pinto3: not using the default driver
23:57<pinto3>no? hmm, i'll check again, cause i don't remember installing anything else
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23:57<mzhang>tj__: if you don't need to write, you can just mount as if you mount any other partition, as long as you included ntfs support in the kernel (while you compiled it).
23:57<pinto3>/dev/sda1 on /mnt type ntfs (rw)
23:57<pinto3>maybe i didn't uninstall fuse correctly
23:57<chealer>pinto3: well, maybe you're right, but the write support would be very restricted
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23:59<tj__>this confirms :,_FAT,NTFS)
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