| --- | Log | opened Mon Apr 28 00:00:22 2008 |
| --- | Day | changed Mon Apr 28 2008 |
| 00:00 | <zarchne> | Stratman4300: You don't have to change perms on the /dev entry for the device. |
| 00:01 | <Stratman4300> | zarchne: yup... i've been messing with it.... looks like i've got it working with having it mounted by root but granting the user access to the file structure contained within it |
| 00:01 | <zarchne> | /bin/mount is suid root. |
| 00:01 | <zarchne> | You can allow std user to mount by adding "user" flag to mount options in fstab. |
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| 00:02 | <Stratman4300> | zarchne: do you include that with the "defaults" flag??? |
| 00:02 | <nevyn> | yep |
| 00:02 | <Stratman4300> | cool.... thx all :) |
| 00:03 | <zarchne> | Stratman4300: you can replace "defaults" with "user" |
| 00:03 | <zarchne> | "defaults" is a nop placeholder. |
| 00:03 | <nevyn> | that's untrue |
| 00:03 | <zarchne> | nevyn: okay, prove it. |
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| 00:04 | <nevyn> | zarchne: man mount |
| 00:04 | <nevyn> | defaults |
| 00:04 | <nevyn> | Use default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async. |
| 00:04 | <Stratman4300> | zarchne: well at first i ahd just the "user" flag in there but it was giving me an error about binary permissions on the device. |
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| 00:05 | <zarchne> | nevyn: That doesn't prove anything. |
| 00:05 | <zarchne> | nevyn: all it says is that those are the defaults unless you modify them. |
| 00:06 | <nevyn> | no that says -o defaults corresponds to that set of options. |
| 00:06 | <zarchne> | Stratman4300: Never heard of that error, but I don't really know about NTFS mounting. |
| 00:06 | <Stratman4300> | narchne: yeah first time i've seen it too.... but no matter.... got it working :) |
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| 00:06 | <zarchne> | nevyn: It's the *default* options. What you get if you don't specify anything. |
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| 00:08 | <jose_figue> | buenas como es la pagina de debian es español porfa |
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| 00:19 | <chealer> | !tell jose_figue about es |
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| 00:31 | <jose_figue> | thanks chealer |
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| 00:41 | <pinto3> | there's an exploit in debian xchat, somebody just took over my xserver from #freebsd in freenode |
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| 00:45 | <pinto3> | only service i had connected to the net aside from my subnet dhcp daemon, just though you'd like to know |
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| 00:56 | <DJBloodSkin> | hmm |
| 00:56 | <DJBloodSkin> | for some reason tables dont show up on my new lamp server |
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| 01:03 | <knoppix_> | hey |
| 01:03 | <knoppix_> | my chkdsk isnt working |
| 01:03 | <knoppix_> | it says i have unrecoverable problems |
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| 01:04 | <Guest2065> | hey |
| 01:04 | <Guest2065> | my chkdsk isnt working |
| 01:04 | <Guest2065> | it says i have unrecoverable problems |
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| 01:12 | <Pape1> | hi all |
| 01:13 | <Pape1> | does anyone know the grub menu.lst syntax for adding multiple fallback boot entries to the fallback line? |
| 01:13 | <Pape1> | is it just "fallback 1 2 3" ? |
| 01:14 | <Pape1> | the manual doesn't provide an example |
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| 01:15 | <Pape1> | disregard I should have just googled it: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
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| 01:17 | <DJBloodSkin> | ok, now that i half way know how to do this, im going to reinstall etch with just the base system |
| 01:17 | <DJBloodSkin> | then do a lamp stack |
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| 03:05 | <mysupper> | hello guys |
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| 03:12 | <Pape1> | suppp mysupper |
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| 03:15 | <mysupper> | :) |
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| 03:27 | <|_> | Arghels...netsplit on another network. :| |
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| 03:27 | <|_> | *That* is not great. :x |
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| 03:27 | <|_> | Oh boo, irssi switched windows for me. :< |
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| 03:28 | * | Pape1 never realized how long it really takes to grow a RAID 5 multidisk... |
| 03:29 | <Pape1> | 90 minutes for a 7.5 gig partition |
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| 03:41 | <morgan`> | hello |
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| 03:43 | <path> | hello there |
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| 03:58 | <simonrvn> | !nickometer | |
| 03:58 | <dpkg> | '|' is 14.000% lame, simonrvn |
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| 04:23 | <bcochofel> | Hi, I'm trying to copy a directory and all the subdirs from one place to another. I want to filter *~, *#* and CVS dirs |
| 04:23 | <bcochofel> | I'm using find and cpio but can't seem to filter CVS dirs and all the files in it |
| 04:24 | <simonrvn> | so use grep (i'd suggest grep -E) |
| 04:24 | <bcochofel> | The cmd: find . \! -name "*~*" \! -name "*#*" \! -name "CVS" -print doesn't seem to filter CVS |
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| 04:25 | <bcochofel> | simonrvn: I've tried after that | grep -v CVS and then the cpio part but nothing is copied |
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| 04:37 | <bcochofel> | How come find . -name "CVS" -print gives me all the CVS entries and -not -name "CVS" doesn't give me all the others? |
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| 05:00 | <microwaver> | anyone got brightness adjustment problems? |
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| 05:06 | <mrpouet> | hi |
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| 06:26 | <nirupama> | Hi |
| 06:26 | <nirupama> | I have a sony vaio laptop where I have installed |
| 06:26 | <nirupama> | debian but finger print reader does not work |
| 06:26 | <nirupama> | the hwinfo output shows this: |
| 06:26 | <nirupama> | http://pastebin.ca/1000209 |
| 06:27 | <nirupama> | and also tf-tool --acquire shows:Initialization-------USB device not found |
| 06:28 | <nirupama> | how to make the finger print reader work |
| 06:28 | <nirupama> | anybody here |
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| 06:39 | <schlurchz> | Erm, I'm getting a "invalid signature (BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1)" error when updating my Etch box. Known problem, or is it just me? |
| 06:39 | <schlurchz> | (updating == aptitude update) |
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| 06:40 | <padski> | !badsig |
| 06:40 | <dpkg> | If you're seeing BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive; this means that the signature on the Release.gpg file doesn't match the Release file. This happened because a mirror pulse was delayed. Use a different mirror, or wait 24 hours and the problem will resolve itself. |
| 06:40 | <schlurchz> | padski: ah okay. AFAICT the first time this strikes me. |
| 06:41 | <padski> | schlurchz, dunno myself, googling for it turns up hits from june 1007. |
| 06:41 | <schlurchz> | oh. :-D |
| 06:41 | <padski> | schlurchz, is it a long time since you updated ? tried another mirror ? |
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| 06:42 | <sohxo> | hi |
| 06:42 | <schlurchz> | padski: hm, I haven't used that system for a couple of days. |
| 06:42 | <schlurchz> | padski: I'll try another mirror. (guess I'll bypass my apt-proxy) |
| 06:42 | <padski> | schlurchz, not my idea of a long time. I am updating a n etch system as we speak that I haven't touched since friday. no probs. |
| 06:43 | <sohxo> | is there some sort of good passwordsafe for online use? i have the problem like many users to use way too many passwords to remember. |
| 06:44 | <sohxo> | or how do you manage to solve this problem. |
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| 06:44 | <padski> | sohxo, there are password safe programs in debian. why online ? |
| 06:44 | <nirupama> | ping |
| 06:45 | <padski> | !ask |
| 06:45 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:45 | <sohxo> | padski: i often change my workplaces and need to work on different computers |
| 06:45 | <padski> | nirupama, did you google the usb vendor/device id ? |
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| 06:45 | <padski> | sohxo, googlefs ? |
| 06:47 | <sohxo> | ? |
| 06:47 | <sohxo> | how could this help me? |
| 06:47 | <nirupama> | padski, I can get that from hwinfo? |
| 06:47 | <padski> | sohxo, free online storage for your password safe |
| 06:48 | <sohxo> | padski: i have an own root server ;) |
| 06:48 | <padski> | nirupama, 147e:2016 |
| 06:48 | <padski> | ] |
| 06:49 | <sohxo> | my question was more like: what debian package would you suggest to secure passwords. |
| 06:49 | <sohxo> | sorry for the missunderstanding |
| 06:50 | <nirupama> | padski, I did not get u |
| 06:50 | <padski> | sohxo, there are password safes in debian, but I couldn't offer much beyond that. there doesn't seem to be an obvious debtag. the name gringotts comes to mind but I can't vouch for how good it is. |
| 06:51 | <padski> | nirupama, google 147e:2016 |
| 06:52 | <padski> | sohxo, also kde integrates some kind of password safe: KDE Wallet. |
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| 06:52 | <bluevapour> | hey guys |
| 06:52 | <bluevapour> | Quick question im having this odd problem with networking |
| 06:52 | <nirupama> | padski, UPEK TouchStrip device. |
| 06:53 | <bluevapour> | if i go afk for say 20 minutes, ill come back, all is fine execpt i have to restart the computer to get the internet working again |
| 06:53 | <bluevapour> | odd thing is, the network manager claims that all is well |
| 06:54 | <bluevapour> | Anybody got any ideas? |
| 06:54 | <padski> | nirupama, I know that. I know nothing about it, but if you google the id you will hopefully find useful info on how to get it working. try adding 'debian' to your query. |
| 06:54 | <bluevapour> | Its not sleeping either, power management only turns of monitor |
| 06:54 | <mixter> | hi! when writing long rows in the terminal, bash seems to fail to wrap them properly, making the entire line a mess. tcsh handles this much better. could i get bash to work with longer lines too? |
| 06:54 | <nirupama> | padski, ok |
| 06:54 | <bluevapour> | Anybody able to help? |
| 06:56 | <mixter> | bluevapour: what kind of internet connection do you have? wireless? wired? through a router/gateway? |
| 06:56 | <bluevapour> | Wired through a router |
| 06:56 | <mixter> | bluevapour: is the local network working? |
| 06:56 | <bluevapour> | Not once ive been idle |
| 06:57 | <bluevapour> | all works now, but if i go afk for 20mins and come back, i cant even ping my router |
| 06:58 | <mixter> | bluevapour: is ifconfig still reporting the same ipnumber? does the link-light glows on your network card and router? |
| 06:58 | <bluevapour> | yes |
| 06:58 | <bluevapour> | Right |
| 06:58 | <bluevapour> | I havent tried the ifconfig |
| 06:58 | <bluevapour> | But the router and network says they're good |
| 06:59 | <mixter> | bluevapour: try that and see if your computer still has the correct ip after 20 minutes. sounds really weird, but i guess that the computer for some reason looses the ip-adress |
| 06:59 | <bluevapour> | Ok and if thats the case |
| 06:59 | <bluevapour> | Possible fixes? |
| 07:00 | <mixter> | bluevapour: don't know :-( |
| 07:00 | <mixter> | bluevapour: |
| 07:00 | <bluevapour> | whats the term command to find ip btw |
| 07:00 | <mixter> | bluevapour: ifconfig |
| 07:00 | <bluevapour> | ok cool |
| 07:01 | <bluevapour> | ill keep you posted |
| 07:01 | <mixter> | bluevapour: that will show you the interfaces on the computer, and also ip-adresses and some other information |
| 07:01 | <bluevapour> | ok |
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| 07:02 | <mixter> | bluevapour: could this be something useful? http://www.usenet-forums.com/linux-networking/71106-debian-eth0-loses-network-configuration.html |
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| 07:03 | <bluevapour> | awsome |
| 07:03 | <bluevapour> | Let me go chcek that link out |
| 07:03 | <bluevapour> | You've been a great help so far btw xD |
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| 07:06 | <padski> | mixter, did you resize your terminal ? |
| 07:07 | <mixter> | padski: nope.. i use ssh by the way! |
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| 07:07 | <mixter> | padski: the terminal is larger that the normal 80x25 |
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| 07:09 | <mixter> | padski: but that doesn't matter... :-) (just tried, and i got the same problem with a 80x25 terminal, and locally on the server) |
| 07:09 | <padski> | mixter, what terminal prog ? |
| 07:09 | <mixter> | padski: i get the same problem localy on the server, on tty1 (we don't have X installed on the servers) |
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| 07:14 | <padski> | mixter, I don't see the same problem on tty1 on my own box with a quick test. do you have any interesting localisation or anything ? |
| 07:14 | <mixter> | padski: no, the server runs only english, utf-8 |
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| 07:15 | <padski> | mixter, I see TERM=linux on tty1 |
| 07:16 | <mixter> | padski: what happens if you type a row that is longer then the screen? in my case the cursor moves back to the beginning and starts to overwrite what i just wrote. |
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| 07:17 | <padski> | mixter, I get the expected linefeed and carriage return effect. I have seen what you describe sometimes when resizing terminals, but I don't recall ever seeing it on tty1. |
| 07:17 | <mixter> | padski: do you use bash too? |
| 07:17 | <tmg1|lorax> | I am getting a repeatable kernel oopses, and have some free time. It doesn't seem to matter what application causes it so long as it's cpu intensive(sox, f@h...). While similar symptoms occur when cpu is overheating I monitored the temp and it stays within reason before it crashes. I'm trying a new kernel and perhaps will use magicsysrq key to glean info, other than that, any suggestions? |
| 07:17 | <padski> | mixter, yes |
| 07:18 | <mixter> | padski: hmm... strange. i got the same problem on several machines too! :-/ |
| 07:18 | <tmg1|lorax> | padski: what is this?(curious) |
| 07:18 | <padski> | tmg1|lorax, cpuburn |
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| 07:19 | <tmg1|lorax> | padski: I'm aware of that yes. It'll probably set it off. will that guarantee a cpu problem? |
| 07:19 | <padski> | tmg1|lorax, apt-cache show cpuburn |
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| 07:19 | <padski> | tmg1|lorax, no I don't suppose it does. are you on a stock kernel ? what processor ? |
| 07:20 | <tmg1|lorax> | amd athlon xp1800, i've used the k6/k7 kernels(trying i486 now) on both lenny/etch |
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| 07:20 | <tmg1|lorax> | and regular kernels included in debian if that's what you mean |
| 07:21 | <tmg1|lorax> | padski: (I meant earlier by what was your problem, I missed it) |
| 07:21 | <tmg1|lorax> | (and it soudns similar to something I seeso far) |
| 07:22 | <Cheatah> | the terminal problem... doy you also have it if you use screen? |
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| 07:25 | <padski> | tmg1|lorax, sounds likely to be a hardware problem then |
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| 07:27 | <pgimeno> | I'm having problems with Apache+PHP, in case of errors in the PHP script no error messages are printed (otherwise it works fine). Debugging is a pain in these conditions. Any clue on how to fix that? |
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| 07:29 | <mixter> | Cheatah: if you're talkning to me, yes :-/ |
| 07:29 | <dienggo-umum> | dfgfggghh |
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| 07:30 | <tmg1|lorax> | hmm could be. |
| 07:30 | <mixter> | pgimeno: check the display_errors in php.ini (/etc/php5/apache/php.ini i think) |
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| 07:34 | <pgimeno> | mixter: it's "On" (and it's apache2 here) |
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| 07:35 | <mixter> | pgimeno: hmm... in that case the errors should be printed to the screen. :-/ i use suphp, and i guess that you're running mod_php, so i don't know really what could be wrong |
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| 07:36 | <pgimeno> | mixter: thanks anyway... FYI, error_reporting = E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE |
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| 07:38 | <pgimeno> | version is libapache2-mod-php5 5.2.0-8+etch10 |
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| 07:43 | <pgimeno> | I would say it's intermittent. Now I'm forcing syntax errors and I'm getting them. |
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| 08:07 | <rati> | Hey is there any tool So that I can do DDOS attack? I have one firewall script and I want to test that |
| 08:07 | <petemc> | what kind of firewall script can block a DDOS attack? |
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| 08:09 | <kjetil_> | none |
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| 08:11 | <bhupesh> | i am new to debian and looking for repository structure, How a package is maintained ( for example samba-3.0.14a ). How can i figure out security patches for that version. |
| 08:12 | <bhupesh> | Any help will be appreciated. |
| 08:12 | <petemc> | the changelog |
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| 08:13 | <petemc> | !changelog |
| 08:13 | <dpkg> | The Debian changelog for foo can be found in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed, with $ dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz'|gzip -d|less; if you have a non-installed .deb, or on http://changelogs.debian.net/bar if foo is built from source package bar. |
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| 08:14 | <Gekz> | that is the worst explaination EVER |
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| 08:14 | <petemc> | Gekz: how do you figure that? |
| 08:14 | <Gekz> | i do. |
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| 08:17 | <bhupesh> | yes i can see the changelog and if a distributor is using samba (3.0.14a-3) version and want to fix some security bug how he can get patch? |
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| 08:18 | <petemc> | distributor? |
| 08:18 | <padski> | Gekz, your suggestions for improvement ? |
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| 08:19 | <Gekz> | padski: the ending could be less ambiguous |
| 08:19 | <bhupesh> | like ubuntu is using this package |
| 08:19 | <bhupesh> | or some x company using this package in his distribution |
| 08:19 | <padski> | Gekz, if foo is built from source package bar ? |
| 08:19 | <Gekz> | yes |
| 08:19 | <Gekz> | it could be reordered |
| 08:19 | <Gekz> | but i'm too lazy |
| 08:20 | <padski> | if the source package bar builds fo ? |
| 08:20 | <Gekz> | Ja |
| 08:20 | <Gekz> | but why are we discussing this |
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| 08:20 | <Gekz> | is this one of those pointless arguments that leads to "well you fix it" |
| 08:21 | <Gekz> | because if it is, I swear, I'll call ops for wasting my time :) |
| 08:21 | <padski> | Gekz, it seems to be the convention here: don't just criticise, improve. |
| 08:21 | <Gekz> | I've improved that bot multiple times |
| 08:21 | <padski> | Gekz, besides which the factoid db does need this kind of maintenance |
| 08:22 | <Gekz> | dude, if I fixed it right now |
| 08:22 | <Gekz> | it would be worse |
| 08:22 | <Gekz> | I am so tired |
| 08:22 | <bhupesh> | i was trying to understand how packages are organized in repository to figure out the way patches are maintained. |
| 08:22 | <padski> | Gekz, heh. ok, enough said :-) |
| 08:22 | <Gekz> | padski: otherwise, I would have |
| 08:23 | <petemc> | it would have been less effort to just fix what you thought was wrong |
| 08:23 | <padski> | Gekz, there is always next time :-) |
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| 08:23 | <Gekz> | padski: I demand a battle of some kind |
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| 08:23 | <Gekz> | perhaps a bash scripting babattle |
| 08:23 | <Gekz> | and why is my ssh connection so laggy today |
| 08:23 | <Gekz> | >_> |
| 08:23 | <Gekz> | the laptop is 15 cm from the router ffs |
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| 08:24 | <Skrat> | Hey guys |
| 08:24 | <padski> | Gekz, scissor paper stone ? |
| 08:24 | <Gekz> | rock* |
| 08:24 | <Gekz> | lol |
| 08:24 | <Skrat> | Is there a command line tool to set the brightness of X? |
| 08:24 | <Skrat> | Or, set your screen brightness? |
| 08:24 | <Gekz> | hardware brightness or software |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | !brightness |
| 08:25 | <Skrat> | Either |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | the bot has nothing |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | either? |
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| 08:25 | <Gekz> | you can't have an answer like that |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | tsk tsk |
| 08:25 | <Skrat> | Preferably Hardware |
| 08:25 | <Skrat> | :P |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | lol |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | backlight brightness or colour brightness |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | there, I said it |
| 08:25 | <Skrat> | Backlit |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | thats hardware |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | therefore its a grey area |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | laptop |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | § |
| 08:25 | <Gekz> | ?* |
| 08:25 | <Skrat> | Ok, what about software |
| 08:26 | <Gekz> | are you using a laptop first |
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| 08:26 | <Skrat> | I'm using an iBook G4 |
| 08:26 | <Gekz> | does that count? :P |
| 08:26 | <Gekz> | does it not have a function key mapping for screen brightness? |
| 08:26 | <Skrat> | maaaybe |
| 08:26 | <Skrat> | But I want to do it via the command line. :P |
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| 08:27 | <Gekz> | erm |
| 08:27 | <Gekz> | why |
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| 08:27 | <bhupesh> | just like alsa sound mixer? |
| 08:27 | <Gekz> | that sounds like overdoing somethigm, like having a phone rigged up to your lights instead of a switch |
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| 08:29 | <padski> | Skrat, does pbbuttonsd do that ? |
| 08:30 | <Gekz> | Skrat: http://cmr.cx/ibook/linux/ibook_linux.html |
| 08:31 | <Gekz> | "I use Pbbuttonsd to control sound, brightness etc." |
| 08:31 | <Gekz> | there. |
| 08:32 | <nan> | After upgrading to 2.6.24, the maximum cpu frequency of my computer is stuck to 1.2G, which should be 2G, I can't change it by using cpufreq-set. Is it a bug? |
| 08:33 | <Gekz> | you mean 2GHz. |
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| 08:33 | <nan> | Gekz: yes |
| 08:34 | <padski> | nan, what processor ? |
| 08:35 | <Skrat> | does /me have pbbuttonsd? |
| 08:35 | <nan> | padski: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.00GHz |
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| 08:37 | <padski> | nan, anything here help: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=333955 |
| 08:38 | <nan> | padski: thanks, I will take a look |
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| 08:43 | <Gekz> | Skrat: install it fool |
| 08:43 | <Gekz> | >_>!\ |
| 08:44 | <nan> | padski: No solution is given, I think I have to go back to 2.6.23 |
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| 08:48 | <bluevapour> | Guys im having problems with my ethernet still |
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| 08:48 | <bluevapour> | After a while of inactivity, ill come back and my internet connection is completely gone |
| 08:48 | <bluevapour> | I cant even ping my route |
| 08:48 | <bluevapour> | However, when i run ifconfig, it tells me eveything is the same |
| 08:48 | <bluevapour> | but nothing loads |
| 08:48 | <bluevapour> | any ideas? |
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| 08:50 | <padski> | nan, or you could google about a bit more :-) |
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| 08:51 | <padski> | bluevapour, what driver/hardware ? what does mii-tool say ? |
| 08:51 | <bluevapour> | ill find it for you mate |
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| 08:52 | <bluevapour> | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
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| 08:54 | <Drinkgin> | [Away] demasiado autismo -autoaway, 15 mins- (Log:Pager) desde el 28 Apr 14:54:07 |
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| 08:54 | <bluevapour> | Anythign padski? |
| 08:54 | <padski> | bluevapour, what driver/hardware ? |
| 08:55 | <bluevapour> | how can i find out |
| 08:55 | <bluevapour> | mii-tool just gave that |
| 08:55 | <bluevapour> | that was its complete output |
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| 08:55 | <padski> | bluevapour, sorry, no. that is a different question. mii-tool asks about link status. |
| 08:55 | <bluevapour> | Ok what command tells me about the driver im using |
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| 08:56 | <bluevapour> | ah i have it |
| 08:56 | <bluevapour> | Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 7c) |
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| 08:58 | <bluevapour> | ? |
| 08:59 | <bluevapour> | if im using the stock driver |
| 09:00 | <bluevapour> | and then i switch to asus's actual driver, should that help |
| 09:00 | <padski> | bluevapour, its called via-rhine if i recall correctly |
| 09:00 | <bluevapour> | Oki |
| 09:00 | <bluevapour> | Im downloading the asus fast ethernet driver |
| 09:00 | <bluevapour> | That might help |
| 09:01 | <bluevapour> | but this is a big problem, and i dont wana switch back to windows lol |
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| 09:03 | <padski> | bluevapour, is it a laptop ? |
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| 09:03 | <bluevapour> | nope |
| 09:03 | <bluevapour> | Desktop pc using a8v-xe motherboard |
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| 09:04 | <pedro> | is there a way to create an ISO from my server, and boot it into VMWare or Virtualbox? |
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| 09:05 | <padski> | bluevapour, so if it is a power management problem you could turn that off perhaps ? |
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| 09:12 | <padski> | Bagualas, mkisofs |
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| 09:16 | <gram_> | hi |
| 09:18 | <gram_> | i have a question: i have this network wireless card: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG. Does anyone know how I could make it work ? |
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| 09:21 | <Bagualas> | padski, but I will be abble to boot on vmware? |
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| 09:21 | <padski> | Bagualas, go and ask vmware |
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| 09:22 | <padski> | !ipw3945 |
| 09:22 | <dpkg> | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. See also <ipw3945-fu> |
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| 09:25 | <gram_> | what about ipw3945-fu ? |
| 09:26 | <gram_> | !ipw3945-fu |
| 09:26 | <dpkg> | To get ipw3945 working, ask me about <ipw3945>. If you want to suspend-to-disk or suspend-to-ram, ask me about <ipw3945 reload>. If you want to configure your wireless network you can ask me about <wireless connection managers> as ipw3945 works very well with network-manager. |
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| 09:27 | <bluevapour> | where can i find the power management onfig |
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| 09:28 | <gram_> | !iwlwifi |
| 09:28 | <dpkg> | from memory, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
| 09:28 | <Cribozai> | Need help with making a IDE CD-ROM detected on my system. Stopped working after computer started with it unplugged, can't even be found under BIOS. Any ideas? (Worked perfectly before) |
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| 09:52 | <Skrat> | What does sunrpc do? |
| 09:52 | <Skrat> | Do i need it running? |
| 09:53 | <dumbo> | hi folks. i have some issues with testing branch. i installed etch and then moved to testing, but my display adapter has gone crazy i guess. its a 965gm chipset. and i dont get the console alt+f1-6. still i dont get the consoles in f1-f6 and neither i get 1280x800 odd resolution. is there any work around for this? |
| 09:54 | <dumbo> | to be frank, none of the distro gave me a 1280x800 and neither i get the f1-f6 console screens. help please. tia. |
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| 09:55 | <themill> | dumbo: do you have 915resolution installed? |
| 09:55 | <dumbo> | 00:02.0 0300: 8086:2a02 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 09:55 | <dumbo> | themill well i did install and it says this is not supported. |
| 09:55 | <dumbo> | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 09:56 | <themill> | hmmm... I'm pretty sure that's the same chip that's in mrs themill's laptop and it's working quite nicely. (But I can't check right now to be certain that's the case) |
| 09:56 | <dumbo> | this is the lspci output against vga. i tried to install debian from network boot cd and the kde and xfce cd and testing nightly build and daily build. i tried all options. none works. |
| 09:57 | <dumbo> | themill it will be nice enough if i get the f1-f6 screens. i am just stuck with the konsole in the gui. any help is welcome. |
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| 09:58 | <themill> | dumbo: what do you mean by the f1-f6 screens? You're getting X to work ok then? |
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| 09:58 | <Skrat> | dumbo; I have all f1-f6 screens |
| 09:59 | <Skrat> | CTRL+ALT+F1, F2, up to F8 |
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| 09:59 | <Skrat> | F7 and F8 are using Gnome, for me... |
| 09:59 | <Skrat> | Don't see why it's not working |
| 09:59 | <themill> | dumbo: do you mean the virtual desktops (Ctrl+F1) or the virtual consoles (Ctrl+Alt+F1...) |
| 09:59 | <dumbo> | i mean if i go to console by pressing alt+f1-f6 nothing comes up, its a green color screen and sometime it turns red. |
| 09:59 | <Skrat> | It's control+alt+f1 |
| 09:59 | <dumbo> | ctrl+alt+f1-f6 |
| 10:00 | <themill> | dumbo: but you say that kde is working? You mentioned konsole. |
| 10:00 | <dumbo> | may be i can paste the xorg.conf details and also xorg.log in pastebin. |
| 10:00 | <dumbo> | yeah kde is working. |
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| 10:01 | <themill> | dumbo: ok... so what more do you want? Do you want the virtual consoles as well as X working? |
| 10:01 | <dumbo> | i just get the gui/desktop in f7 thats all. i dont get the other consoles. |
| 10:01 | <dumbo> | yeah i want the virtual consoles also to work. |
| 10:01 | <Skrat> | Dumbo, try using Gnome? |
| 10:01 | <themill> | Skrat: that has nothing to do with it |
| 10:01 | <dumbo> | same with gnome/kde/xfce |
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| 10:01 | <Skrat> | >_< |
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| 10:02 | <themill> | dumbo: I've found that with some of the recent intel chipsets -- the VCs always appear black at least the first time you try switching to them. X is doing something funky to the chip which stops textmode stuff working. |
| 10:03 | <Skrat> | :O |
| 10:04 | <dumbo> | http://pastebin.ca/1000361 |
| 10:04 | <dumbo> | yeah the text mode just DOESN'T WORK at all. |
| 10:05 | <themill> | dumbo: is that actually a problem? (it might be for you... I don't find it a problem myself though so i've never put time into solving this) |
| 10:06 | <Skrat> | Terminal with tabs? :| |
| 10:06 | <Skrat> | I don't see the problem of not having virtual consoles |
| 10:06 | <Skrat> | Multiple instances of XTerm, even |
| 10:06 | <dumbo> | i am also loading the xorg.log file. |
| 10:06 | <dumbo> | one sec |
| 10:06 | <themill> | dumbo: You might be able to do something a bit more funky with a different x driver. You might do better with something other than vesa. |
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| 10:07 | <dumbo> | http://pastebin.ca/1000363 |
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| 10:07 | <dumbo> | i have no other go than to recompile the entire xorg |
| 10:07 | <dumbo> | ;-( |
| 10:07 | <dumbo> | :-( |
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| 10:07 | <themill> | dumbo: xserver-xorg-video-intel in lenny claims to support i965 chips... |
| 10:07 | <dumbo> | thats too much work. is there any quick fix, or i need to compile everything from scratch? |
| 10:07 | <dumbo> | but it doesnt. |
| 10:08 | <themill> | hmmm... sure? |
| 10:08 | <dumbo> | i did apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel && dpkg --configure -a |
| 10:08 | <dumbo> | still it just doesnt work. |
| 10:08 | <Skrat> | dumbo; Run multiple full-screen instances of XTerm |
| 10:08 | <themill> | dumbo: did that actually reconfigure your x server? |
| 10:08 | <Skrat> | IT will be almost the same. :-P |
| 10:09 | <dumbo> | so if the GUI fails or i get a kde core? thats it. alt+del+ctrl |
| 10:09 | <themill> | !tell dumbo about drxx |
| 10:09 | <themill> | dumbo: I can't say that I have that happen often enough to worry about. Like... once in the last couple of years. |
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| 10:10 | <dumbo> | yes i did reconfigure X and i even did use dexconf |
| 10:10 | <themill> | !dexconf |
| 10:10 | <dpkg> | dexconf is probably obsolete, just like dexter. Ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 10:10 | <dumbo> | must have tried all possibilities and combinations. |
| 10:10 | <themill> | dumbo: did you actually have "intel" in the driver field in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 10:11 | <dumbo> | http://pastebin.ca/1000363 |
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| 10:11 | <dumbo> | should speak of the error. isnt it. i am no info on how the X works. |
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| 10:12 | <dumbo> | no, i got vesa |
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| 10:13 | <dumbo> | should i replace vesa with intel? and then dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 10:14 | <yayo> | hello I have a question, why is it that when someone clicks on my no-ip service they see my printer info |
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| 10:15 | <yayo> | when they type my no-ip address to the URL they see my Printer info! |
| 10:15 | <yayo> | can this be avoided? |
| 10:15 | <mh> | hi |
| 10:16 | <yayo> | hi |
| 10:16 | <mh> | I installed kpdf and it doesnt show the installed printer |
| 10:16 | <yayo> | I'm trying to get rid of mine |
| 10:16 | <yayo> | >_> |
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| 10:17 | <mh> | I found out that some old user files had wrong owners. I changed that, but it still shows no printer |
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| 10:18 | <DTE> | hi all |
| 10:18 | <DTE> | i have a problem with clamav-daemon |
| 10:18 | <DTE> | when it starts, it load the cpu 100% |
| 10:18 | <DTE> | and it's not starting |
| 10:19 | <Skrat> | Eep. |
| 10:20 | <weasel> | DTE: give it a few minutes |
| 10:22 | <DTE> | i gave it hours :-) |
| 10:23 | <yayo> | hello I have a question, why is it that when someone clicks on my no-ip service they see my printer info |
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| 10:23 | <yayo> | when they type my no-ip address to the URL they see my Printer info! |
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| 10:24 | <yayo> | how do I avoid this? |
| 10:25 | <Skrat> | yayo, who cares if they know a little about your printer? |
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| 10:26 | <dumbo> | troubleshooting x |
| 10:26 | <dumbo> | !dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 10:26 | <dpkg> | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum" |
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| 10:27 | <yayo> | skrat :..they can even change my printer info etc |
| 10:27 | <dumbo> | dpkg x md5sum |
| 10:27 | <yayo> | >_> |
| 10:27 | <dumbo> | !dpkg x md5sum |
| 10:27 | <Skrat> | yayo, fail. D: |
| 10:27 | <Skrat> | Is there any way to forcibly log someone out, if you're root? |
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| 10:29 | <kurumin> | juninho_kadu_123@hotmail.com |
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| 10:29 | <themill> | !xmd5sum |
| 10:29 | <dpkg> | well, xmd5 is If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | diff -sq /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum -" -- if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, run "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 10:30 | <dumbo> | thanks for the tip themill |
| 10:30 | <dumbo> | :-) |
| 10:31 | <themill> | dpkg: troubleshooting x =~ s/"x md5sum"/<xmd5sum>/ |
| 10:31 | <dpkg> | themill: OK |
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| 10:32 | <themill> | dpkg: x md5sum is <reply> see xmd5sum |
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| 10:32 | <themill> | ahh... "x" is already a command for dpkg. |
| 10:32 | <themill> | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 10:32 | <dpkg> | no, stupid themill |
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| 10:37 | <DTE> | anyway i solved it....i upgraded to volatile |
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| 10:50 | <dumbo> | hmmmm okay i got the 1280x780 and 1280x800 resolution. |
| 10:50 | <dumbo> | but still the virtual console is missing. |
| 10:50 | <dumbo> | how to get the alt+ctrl+f1-f6 consoles? no matter i still dont get the virtual console. help me again please. |
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| 10:51 | <Skrat> | How can i restrict a user from internet access? |
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| 10:52 | <petemc> | Skrat: what kind of user? |
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| 10:52 | <Skrat> | Just your average user |
| 10:53 | <Skrat> | Made with the "Users and Groups" tool. |
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| 10:53 | <petemc> | they log in to a desktop sitting physically at the machine |
| 10:53 | <petemc> | ? |
| 10:53 | <Skrat> | Yes |
| 10:53 | <Skrat> | but also for SSH access |
| 10:54 | <Skrat> | I want to restrict them from using the internet from this machine |
| 10:54 | <petemc> | remove the gateway address |
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| 10:54 | <Skrat> | From their /etc/hosts? |
| 10:54 | <Skrat> | s/their/the |
| 10:55 | <petemc> | ip addresses are configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:55 | <Skrat> | petemc; right |
| 10:55 | <Skrat> | How would I do it then? Just erase the gateway address? |
| 10:55 | <petemc> | if you use dhcp, you could use route to delete the gateway |
| 10:56 | <petemc> | otherwise, yes, just delete the gateway line |
| 10:56 | <Skrat> | But what If i wanted root to be able to dialout? |
| 10:56 | <petemc> | then you would need to do something else |
| 10:56 | <Skrat> | Hrm. :P |
| 10:56 | <petemc> | im not terribly expeerienced in making machines unusable for people |
| 10:56 | <Skrat> | Hardly unusable. >_> |
| 10:57 | <the-dude1> | you could use iptables |
| 10:57 | <Skrat> | I could? |
| 10:57 | <the-dude1> | yeah just block all outgoing traffic |
| 10:57 | <Skrat> | Cool... |
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| 10:58 | <the-dude> | or maybe block http request whatever you want to block |
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| 10:58 | <Skrat> | But could root still use the web? |
| 10:58 | <Skrat> | If i denied all traffic with iptables? |
| 10:58 | <the-dude> | or you could use a proxy with authentication |
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| 10:59 | <Skrat> | Another interesting idea. :P |
| 10:59 | <Skrat> | There seem to be user specific iptables rules |
| 10:59 | <Skrat> | This should do the trick |
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| 11:00 | <dumbo> | okay fine i got the vbetool vgemode get |
| 11:00 | <yayo> | ok thanks..for whoever helped.. >_> it was a router thing |
| 11:00 | <dumbo> | it says its not supported. |
| 11:00 | <the-dude> | iptables and users seems hard |
| 11:00 | <the-dude> | for different users I would recomment a proxy with authentication |
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| 11:30 | <manuel> | ciao |
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| 11:30 | <manuel> | c'è nessuno^? |
| 11:30 | <Ganneff> | !it |
| 11:30 | <dpkg> | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
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| 11:32 | <tj_> | hello all. |
| 11:33 | <tj_> | Can someone tell me about package gdk-2.0 is it non-free? i |
| 11:33 | <azeem> | tj_: what is gdk about? |
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| 11:35 | <tj_> | not really sure... I am a noob, but i was using pakages out of sid repo.... and i know now that this is not good practice... so i'd like to get gkrellm 2.3.1 back.... and the only way i can do that is to meed its dependancies... one of which is gdk-2.0 |
| 11:35 | <tj_> | meet* |
| 11:35 | <tj_> | i couldnt find it in etch repo |
| 11:35 | <azeem> | tj_: are you talking about some gkrellm package, or about building gkrellm from source? |
| 11:36 | <tj_> | source... downloaded from http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html |
| 11:36 | <azeem> | in that case gdk-2.0 is included in libgtk2.0-dev |
| 11:36 | <tj_> | thank you i will check to see if i have that installed. |
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| 11:37 | <tj_> | libgtk2.0-dev has alot of dependancies... i assue this is safe as all will be pulled from etch repo? |
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| 11:38 | <azeem> | if you're doing things right, they will |
| 11:38 | <tj_> | gkrellm seems to be building now... |
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| 11:40 | <tj_> | thats absolutely perfect... you dont know how much hair pulling i have been doing... even looking into backporting the sid package to etch.... which is really outta my leauge... thanks alot azeem |
| 11:41 | <tj_> | gkrellm-2.3.1 running fine now |
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| 11:42 | <tj_> | which brings me to another question... if all the dependant packages are available in etch repo.. why didn the debian project include ver 2.3.1 in etch? |
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| 11:42 | <azeem> | maybe 2.3.1 didn't exist by the time etch got frozen for release? |
| 11:42 | <haxi> | how can I get out of a screen, without shutdown it? (just stop watchin') |
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| 11:43 | <azeem> | haxi: ctrl-a r |
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| 11:43 | <azeem> | haxi: wtf, don't post questions in both chans, please |
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| 11:43 | <haxi> | lol |
| 11:44 | <azeem> | haxi: lol? |
| 11:44 | <haxi> | yeah, sorry. ;] |
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| 11:45 | <tj_> | azeem: being new to linux/debian about how long between distro movements? for instance lenny to stable and sid to testing? |
| 11:45 | <less> | Getting out of screen is ctl-a d last time I checked. |
| 11:45 | <haxi> | yep. |
| 11:45 | <azeem> | tj_: stuff never moves to stable once stable got released |
| 11:46 | <azeem> | tj_: stuff moves from unstable to testing regularly |
| 11:46 | <azeem> | less: d'oh, right |
| 11:46 | <less> | np |
| 11:46 | <azeem> | but as remarked above, haxi got helped in #debian on freenode anyway |
| 11:46 | <tj_> | so... your saying that in 3 years... we will all still be using etch just different packages? (asuming running stable release) |
| 11:47 | <azeem> | tj_: if you run stable, you will upgrade once lenny releases, which is currently scheduled for the end of the year |
| 11:47 | <haxi> | ;] |
| 11:48 | <tj_> | ok, maybe i was asking in the wrong manner... thats kinda what i was meaning. then there will be a new codename for the new unstable project right? |
| 11:48 | <azeem> | no, for the new testing |
| 11:49 | <tj_> | LOL.... i am sure its not that complicated... sid= always be lenny= to be released and to be replace by new testing etch= to be outdated as sarge today |
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| 11:50 | <tj_> | in anycase.. my objective complete with gkrellm2.3.1 thanks for the help |
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| 11:51 | <azeem> | tj_: next time, also check backports.org |
| 11:51 | <azeem> | maybe it's on there |
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| 11:51 | <tj_> | i actually did... not there |
| 11:51 | <azeem> | ok |
| 11:52 | <tj_> | then it was suggested that "I" backport it... and i dont see why when the source is avail, and the dependancies in current stable release. |
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| 11:52 | <tj_> | is there any reason why a backport would superceed clean source install in reliablility? |
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| 11:53 | <azeem> | tj_: did you install it to /usr/local? |
| 11:53 | <azeem> | anyway, with a backport, you get all the other benefits of installing a Debian package vs. compiling yourself |
| 11:53 | <tj_> | i did not specify its location... i will have to look. |
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| 11:54 | <tj_> | um, no its not there... is that an issue? |
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| 11:55 | <less> | On a Debian system, the Debian way is almost often the best way to go. |
| 11:55 | <less> | s/often/always/ |
| 11:55 | <tj_> | "make" or "make install" doesnt have a default install location? |
| 11:55 | <less> | (Same goes for other systems, generally.) |
| 11:55 | <cahoot> | s/always/generally/ |
| 11:56 | <aptituz> | nack |
| 11:56 | <amphi> | tj_: /usr/local is the default prefix, usually |
| 11:56 | <less> | No, I said "almost always" which is a bit stronger than "generally". ;-) |
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| 11:56 | <cahoot> | right |
| 11:56 | <aptituz> | ah. lol. |
| 11:56 | <less> | nm |
| 11:56 | <Hamachi> | HELP REGISTER |
| 11:56 | <aptituz> | I read it like 'generally' instead of 'almost always' ;) |
| 11:56 | <simonrvn> | o_O |
| 11:57 | <aptituz> | Hamachi: REGISTER HELP |
| 11:57 | <tj_> | looking at the output of the install.... its sectioned among multiple dir's in the /usr/local dir. |
| 11:57 | <less> | It's not a real problem, aptituz. |
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| 11:57 | <aptituz> | less: what do you mean? |
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| 11:58 | <aptituz> | less: to my ear 'almost always' is weak then 'generally', so i said nack in first place, because I read it wrong :) |
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| 11:58 | <aptituz> | s/weak/weaker/g |
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| 11:58 | <tj_> | so, source files are generally avoided? sounds like if its not in stable repo dont use it....? |
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| 11:59 | <tq|Memphis> | yup |
| 11:59 | <rm_afk> | use checkinstall |
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| 11:59 | <aptituz> | tj_: thats not what has been said. it was said that the "debian way" is to be preferred, which does not neccesarily mean to not use something because its not in the repos ;) |
| 11:59 | <rm_> | with it, sources are almost perfectly ok |
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| 12:00 | <tj_> | ok... i am new to this kind of logic and i was doing things blindly before.... and just want to get it right. |
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| 12:01 | <tj_> | <---- always been one to do it, and see what happends... perhaps thats the wrong aproach. |
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| 12:03 | <tj_> | cig time.. brb |
| 12:03 | <less> | I just wabted to say as a unix systems admin, if you use Debian, try to do it the Debian way. If you use Redhat, go fight with rpm, if you use BSD try the BSD way, etc. |
| 12:03 | <less> | You end up with a more easily maintainable unix system. |
| 12:03 | <tj_> | thanks, i understand now |
| 12:03 | <less> | Even when you're gone and the next guy must try to pick up where you left. |
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| 12:04 | <less> | No prob tj_, just have to get that off my chest - regularly. ;-) |
| 12:04 | <tj_> | this is for personal pleasure... no administration going on here.. i wouldnt dare expect someone else to deal with my mess. |
| 12:05 | <less> | I guessed that, yes. |
| 12:05 | <less> | But as a professional systems administrator I can't just shut up and look the other way. ;-) |
| 12:06 | <SlayerXP> | less: depends how hot the flames are |
| 12:06 | <less> | It's still a (unix) system we're tslking about... |
| 12:06 | <usuario> | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX |
| 12:06 | <SlayerXP> | alkaline metals burn with an intense white light |
| 12:06 | <usuario> | JKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 12:06 | <less> | SlayerXP: I suppose, but I tend to pick and choose discussions. ;-) |
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| 12:30 | <vaib> | I don't have space in root partition and I got a big game in .deb format. Can I install it somewhere else ? |
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| 12:31 | <cahoot> | vaib: the --instdir option of dpkg? |
| 12:32 | <phillipsjk> | Dang, I just got a register dump from the kernel on the console... |
| 12:33 | <cahoot> | vaib: man dpkg to see what that would do (if applicable) |
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| 12:34 | <vaib> | cahoot: I am seeing that, will the game work installing in such manner ? |
| 12:35 | <cahoot> | vaib: hmm - no idea |
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| 12:46 | <NinjaMan> | I want to remove disk caching from squid - is it better to move disk cache onto tmpfs (split - COSS for small objects and AUFS for larger objects) or just increase the cache_mem in squid? |
| 12:46 | <fxiny> | tj_: cpu load ? |
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| 12:47 | <tj_> | just was wondering why the 2 apps would have different output values? they are never far off so i am not concerned... just curious... may be a different as 10% at higher levels |
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| 12:48 | <tom> | hi all |
| 12:49 | <tj_> | fxiny... do they not both pull the information from the same source? bios/kernel? |
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| 12:52 | <tom> | I have a problem with the sound : the flash player doesn't play sound (wich prevents me from using the jamendo site). I made it to work by setting all sounds device to use alsa and then kill esd, but I thinks it's quite rude (plus I have to kill esd each time I start a new session). What is the correct ay to solve my issue ? |
| 12:52 | <fxiny> | tj_: cpu load can be 1 5 or 15 minutes : uptime | sed 's/.*://; s/,//g' |
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| 12:53 | <tom> | any clue ? |
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| 12:53 | <tj_> | specifically process ksensors shows them as user/system processes and gkrellm graphs as well as numeric output rising and falling. |
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| 12:55 | <noob11> | hi everyone :) |
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| 12:56 | <fxiny> | i gave up half way learning how is computed , pretty strange algo . i still don't know what the hell it means : i lamely compare 1 to 5 and 15 output ;) |
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| 12:57 | <tj_> | no biggie |
| 12:58 | <fxiny> | enough to curse firefox , usually is that pig pushing cpu load to the sky |
| 12:58 | <themill> | tj_: man uptime has a little more information |
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| 12:58 | <tom> | excuse me : is it the correct place to ask a user question ? |
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| 12:59 | <Pig_Pen> | testing, am i still in this channel? |
| 12:59 | <tj_> | iceweasel is the same as firefox yes? just different licensing? and Iceweasle runs me 15-30 depending on scrolling or whatever idel uses no cpu usage at all |
| 12:59 | <tom> | Pig_Pen : yes you are |
| 12:59 | <vikki_r> | Pig_Pen: no |
| 12:59 | <Pig_Pen> | i am trying to get wireless working before i disconnect eth0 on a fresh debian lenny install |
| 13:00 | <Pig_Pen> | let me check lsmod to see if my wifi card module is loaded |
| 13:00 | <noob11> | I have http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg20586.html problem (different motherboard tho. p5e-vm do) and the all-generic-ide option don't work for me. Can anyone provide help on how to install debian (etch) for amd64. I'm currently using pxe boot with netboot files (kernel 2.6.18-6-amd64). I have 1 IDE disk in the system nothing else. |
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| 13:00 | <tj_> | <---- cpu is amd turion x2 1.9 |
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| 13:00 | <fxiny> | i call it firefox only when it crashes :P |
| 13:01 | <tj_> | fxiny.... lol.. but havent had iceweasel go down on me not once |
| 13:01 | <Pig_Pen> | yup. the wifi card module is loaded |
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| 13:02 | <NinjaMan> | tom: flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound I think |
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| 13:03 | <fxiny> | tj_: i keep an eye on cpu load when in screen > hardstatus . or wmii |
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| 13:03 | <tom> | NinjaMan : thanks : i'll apt'it and be back in 2 s |
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| 13:04 | <tj_> | not familliar with either... |
| 13:04 | <NinjaMan> | tom: sure, note that if you use alsa, you should not need this plugin |
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| 13:04 | <NinjaMan> | tom: it helps you get sound through oss and esound and possibly pulseaudio now |
| 13:04 | <NinjaMan> | tom: what version of flash are you using? |
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| 13:05 | <fxiny> | tj_: same here , rephrasing : iceweasel run smootly and never crashes , firefox hangs ! |
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| 13:05 | <tj_> | wel... i gotta get guys.. in 30 min have a docs apointment for my girl to find out if we are having a little girl or a little boy... 1st ultrasound... wish me luck |
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| 13:06 | <tj_> | have 1 girl already so you know what i'm hoping for. |
| 13:06 | <fxiny> | tj_: wish you both the best :) |
| 13:06 | <tj_> | thanx... see ya alter fxiny |
| 13:06 | <tj_> | bye all. |
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| 13:06 | <tj_> | later* |
| 13:06 | <tom> | NinjaMan : I don't _realy_ want to use ALSA, i just something that works, and figured I could make it work that way (and Iceeasel is telling me my flash verion is Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124) |
| 13:07 | <NinjaMan> | tom: so are you using alsa or oss at the moment? |
| 13:07 | <NinjaMan> | tom: for your sound in general |
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| 13:08 | <tom> | NinjaMan: the gnome "sound preference utility" tells me "auto-detect", how else can I know ? |
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| 13:09 | <tom> | NinjaMan: I have a process called esd, I may mean that I'm using esd |
| 13:09 | <Pig_Pen> | who has a link to some good debian documentation to setup wifi |
| 13:10 | <NinjaMan> | tom: ok so you are using esd/Esound so flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound will play audio through esd/esound |
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| 13:10 | <NinjaMan> | tom: you are probably using ALSA if it was a recent install and you are using a stock kernel |
| 13:10 | <NinjaMan> | tom: if you do lsmod - do you see lots of snd_* modules? |
| 13:10 | <tom> | NinjaMan : by the way, apt-get told me that flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound doesn't have any version available, may be I configured my apt-source bad |
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| 13:11 | <NinjaMan> | tom: does it flashplugn-nonfree ? |
| 13:12 | <NinjaMan> | tom: are you pulling through contrib in your apt-sources? |
| 13:12 | <tom> | lsmod|grep snd_|wc returns 14 lines |
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| 13:13 | <NinjaMan> | tom: ok so you should be running alsa |
| 13:13 | <tom> | same problem with flashplungin-nonfree |
| 13:13 | <NinjaMan> | tom: what package have you installed flash from |
| 13:13 | <NinjaMan> | tom: oic - what are your apt-source lines? |
| 13:13 | <tom> | and I don't know what "are you pulling through contrib in your apt-sources?" means |
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| 13:14 | <Pig_Pen> | if i dissapear that just means i did not config my wifi correctly |
| 13:14 | <tom> | Ninja: good question : my girlfriend installed it while I was away |
| 13:15 | <tom> | NinjaMan: apparently she did it using iceeasel automatic install |
| 13:15 | <NinjaMan> | tom: hmm, never seen it done that way - can it be uninstalled |
| 13:16 | <NinjaMan> | tom: I would suggest uninstalling and installing the flashplugin-nonfree deb from testing/contrib (or unstable/contrib if it is not in testing) |
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| 13:16 | <NinjaMan> | tom: same for flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
| 13:16 | <phillipsjk> | Deos anybody know if std err is normally logged? I can't find the error messages printed just before the kernel said it had a bug. |
| 13:16 | <NinjaMan> | tom: I have to go and look at a new apartment, back in about 1hr |
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| 13:18 | <cahoot> | syslog? |
| 13:18 | <tom> | I manually edited my source.list to upgrade to testing, may be I did something wrong : http://paste.debian.net/1753 |
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| 13:19 | <phillipsjk> | cahoot, yes, got that. It only has the kernel messages though. I got a complaint from libc6 as well. |
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| 13:20 | <cahoot> | phillipsjk: I think that's it |
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| 13:21 | <Pig_Pen> | brb, maybe |
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| 13:21 | <phillipsjk> | The dpkg log looks like it is only updated on a normal exit. (unless changes got rolled back during the journol recovery) |
| 13:21 | <themill> | tom: you should include "contrib" on lines 1 and 2. But other than that it should be fine. |
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| 13:24 | <jstevens> | anyone know why a Stable install w/ Dhcpd will hand out IPs to wired PCs & wireless PCs, but not to PCs using a wireless bridge? |
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| 13:25 | <phillipsjk> | jstevens: could the wireless brideg be filtering MAC addresses? |
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| 13:25 | <philippe> | r irc.freenode.net |
| 13:26 | <jstevens> | odd thing is, I take the AP & bridge and plug it into a switch that plugs into a Win2003 server, and the problem doesn't exist |
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| 13:26 | <mh> | hello |
| 13:26 | <tom> | NinjaMan: after adding "contrib" to my source.list, I can install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound but still not flashplugin-nonfree (while it is suggested by flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound) |
| 13:26 | <jstevens> | phillipsjk: the dhcp requests from the Debian server do show correct MACs |
| 13:26 | <mh> | how do i change the name of a user ? |
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| 13:28 | <tom> | mh: one way is to edit your /etc/passwd file |
| 13:28 | <fxiny> | man usermod |
| 13:28 | <mh> | thx |
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| 13:29 | <themill> | mh: but be prepared for a world of pain. May apps will have saved /home/mh (or whatever) as the path name and that will be invalid if you also change that. |
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| 13:30 | <VTommy> | hello guys |
| 13:30 | <valdyn> | tom: flahplugin-nonfree can only be in sid |
| 13:30 | <valdyn> | tom: flashplugin-nonfree can only be in sid |
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| 13:30 | <VTommy> | is there any ftp client that works better then ftp in console? |
| 13:30 | <tom> | valdyn: is sid the unstable or testing one ? |
| 13:31 | <valdyn> | tom: sid = unstable |
| 13:31 | <valdyn> | tom: you can use the sid package in testing though |
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| 13:31 | <tom> | valdyn : and is unstable THAT unstable ? |
| 13:31 | <suiside> | VTommy: well, depends on how you define "works better" but maybe you'd like lftp, atleast I prefer it over the plain ftp client |
| 13:32 | <valdyn> | tom: flash is as stable or unstable as adobe makes it, its not a debian thing |
| 13:32 | <VTommy> | well i think anything is better than plain ftp hehe :-) thanks for info suiside |
| 13:32 | <valdyn> | tom: which is the precise reason why its only in unstable |
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| 13:32 | <tom> | valdyn: I know that, I was talking about all the rest of debian that lies in the sid repos |
| 13:33 | <valdyn> | tom: you dont want the rest from sid. |
| 13:33 | <valdyn> | !sid faq |
| 13:33 | <dpkg> | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 13:33 | <simonrvn> | VTommy: lftp is nice |
| 13:33 | <fxiny> | mh: should be : usermod -m -d /home/new ; mv /home/old /home/new ; usermod -d /home/new new , double check it |
| 13:33 | <valdyn> | tom: just fyi: "unstable" in debian terminology means just "undergoing rapid change" |
| 13:34 | <fxiny> | lftp is very nice , bookmarks are handy |
| 13:35 | <mh> | i only want to change the name linked to the user name |
| 13:35 | <valdyn> | tom: most software still works just fine because debian developers are doing an excellent job. |
| 13:35 | <personman> | how many repositories are there? 1. stable = etch, 2. testing = lenny, 3. unstable? 4. experimental? do i have this right? |
| 13:35 | <fxiny> | volatile ? ;)) |
| 13:36 | <valdyn> | personman: not really |
| 13:36 | <valdyn> | personman: those are not repositories, those are debian "releases" |
| 13:36 | <tq|Memphis> | fxiny, what is apt-get moo |
| 13:36 | <personman> | ok |
| 13:36 | <suiside> | VTommy: a specific feature which afaik (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is missing from ftp but which can be found in lftp is the "mirror" command which is useful for moving over complex directory trees. |
| 13:36 | <valdyn> | personman: por non-releases as experimental is explicitely |
| 13:36 | <fxiny> | tq|Memphis: hehehe super cow powers ? |
| 13:36 | <tq|Memphis> | yes what is it? |
| 13:37 | <tq|Memphis> | Have you mooed today? |
| 13:37 | <tom> | valdyn: to be honest, I started my open source life with debian four years ago, I think I recall being in unstable. I just came back to debian two days ago after 2 years with ubuntu (their last version realy s***) |
| 13:37 | <fxiny> | tq|Memphis: no yet |
| 13:38 | <themill> | tq|Memphis: Of course! |
| 13:38 | <personman> | is unstable sid or experimental? is sid the "release" and experimental just whatever packages are being worked on? |
| 13:38 | <VTommy> | suiside your great man :-0 |
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| 13:38 | <themill> | !tell personman about experimental |
| 13:38 | <valdyn> | personman: sid is the place where all new packages end up normally |
| 13:39 | <VTommy> | suidide that's what i was looking for ;-) |
| 13:39 | <valdyn> | personman: experimental is the place where packages that are considered unfit for sid end up |
| 13:39 | <fxiny> | suiside: yes : lftp -d -c 'open -e "mirror -R :)) |
| 13:39 | <personman> | ok, thanks :D |
| 13:39 | <valdyn> | personman: experimental is pretty much ffa for debian developers, there's no policy about it |
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| 13:42 | <personman> | ahh I'm playing with KDE4 and a sort of russian roulette game where eventually i may hit a combination of packages that renders the system unbootable |
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| 13:42 | <personman> | i like to keep things exciting |
| 13:42 | <fxiny> | what about memory usage ? |
| 13:43 | <themill> | personman: uhuh... so you know what we mean by "experimental" then. |
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| 13:43 | <valdyn> | personman: the kde4 packages should be quite ok i would think |
| 13:43 | <fxiny> | good news |
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| 13:44 | <personman> | once i understood pinning that was helpful in the whole booting thing heh |
| 13:46 | <themill> | personman: by "unbootable" I presume you mean KDE crash on startup, not actually unbootable (i.e. grub error/can't mount root etc) |
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| 13:46 | <personman> | actually KDE seem pretty smooth so far, with the exception that dolphin doesn;t want to run, gives undefined symbols error relating to /usr/lin/nepomuk4 and something about the soprano libraries |
| 13:46 | <suiside> | fxiny: yes, but my point was that you can't do that with plain ftp |
| 13:47 | <suiside> | as far as I know |
| 13:47 | <personman> | themill: aptitude will do scarey things if it thinks it has to uninstall core system components |
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| 13:47 | <personman> | i'll admit that i poke at things i shouldn't mess with a lot |
| 13:47 | <personman> | a LOT |
| 13:48 | <themill> | personman: ahh... yes. I see what you mean. If you have questions or comments about this, ask the guys in #debian-kde. That will help them too. |
| 13:48 | <evand> | Why might Debian have decided to boot with eth0 MTU of 576? It's a fairly recent install, and I haven't messed with anything network related. |
| 13:49 | <personman> | good idea |
| 13:50 | <themill> | evand: 1500 is normally the default, but do you have old hardware that doesn't handle that? |
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| 13:52 | <evand> | Nope... it worked fine at 1500 (properly defaulted) before the hd crashed and I reinstalled, and it works better when I manually set it to 1500 now. |
| 13:52 | <fxiny> | suiside: you mean recursive mode ? |
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| 14:00 | <suiside> | fxiny: yep, atleast the version of ftp I run on this box doesn't support that (disclaimer: not sitting at a debian box right now, can't speak about the version in apt... and I still prefer lftp =) |
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| 14:03 | <fxiny> | suiside: i prefere lftp . ncftpput and yafc can do -R |
| 14:03 | <suiside> | yeah |
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| 14:03 | <fxiny> | but lftp rocks |
| 14:04 | <suiside> | true =) |
| 14:05 | <fxiny> | suiside: ncftpput can mess around with many small files |
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| 14:05 | <suiside> | good to know, got to try it out sometime |
| 14:07 | <fxiny> | suiside: ops : we forgot mc ;) |
| 14:07 | <fxiny> | hehehehe |
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| 14:07 | <fxiny> | ftp must die :P |
| 14:07 | <Skrat> | Whats a good command line irc client to install? |
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| 14:07 | * | evand likes bitchx |
| 14:07 | <xtobbex> | #ubuntu |
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| 14:08 | <valdyn> | !irssi |
| 14:08 | <dpkg> | from memory, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 14:08 | <Skrat> | evand; thats command line? |
| 14:08 | <fxiny> | Skrat: dunno a good one but an excellent one : irssi :) |
| 14:08 | <cahoot> | Skrat: 90% here would say irssi |
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| 14:08 | <Skrat> | E: Couldn't fine p |
| 14:08 | <Skrat> | E: Couldn't find package irssi <--- |
| 14:08 | <jstevens> | Skrat: yep, using it now. |
| 14:09 | <Skrat> | E: Couldn't find package irssi <---!! :( |
| 14:09 | <cahoot> | Skrat: why put the same q in two debian channels at the same time? |
| 14:09 | <jstevens> | Skrat: jsut don't choose xbitchx, cause it's for X |
| 14:09 | <Skrat> | cahoot; multiple opinions? :P |
| 14:09 | <evand> | Skrat: yeah. well, ncurses, but it's textmode |
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| 14:09 | <Skrat> | I think my sources.plist needs updating |
| 14:09 | <cahoot> | isn't irc always text? |
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| 14:10 | <Skrat> | I cant seem to find IRSSI or BitchX |
| 14:10 | <cahoot> | irssi-text? |
| 14:10 | <evand> | cahoot: yes, but some people insist on adding graphical widgets to their programs for no reason except to make them not work with GNU Screen ;) |
| 14:10 | <fxiny> | evand: evil ppl! |
| 14:10 | <fxiny> | screen rulez |
| 14:11 | <Skrat> | I only have 3 lines in my sources.plist |
| 14:11 | * | Skrat dies |
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| 14:11 | <cahoot> | sources.plist? |
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| 14:12 | <Skrat> | .list* :| |
| 14:12 | <jstevens> | Skrat: I only have one line my my sources.list... |
| 14:12 | <jstevens> | Skrat: deb http://debian.crosslink.net/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 14:13 | <Skrat> | x| |
| 14:13 | <fxiny> | where's security ? |
| 14:13 | <jstevens> | fxiny: good question, I just noticed that myself |
| 14:13 | <Skrat> | Lol |
| 14:13 | <Skrat> | jstevens; you're on i686 intel? |
| 14:13 | * | jstevens flinches |
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| 14:14 | <Christmas> | is there a way to rip dvds and the resulted video files will have a certain size? (theora video) |
| 14:14 | <Skrat> | Yes? No? |
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| 14:14 | <Christmas> | i'm using ffmpeg2theora to rip the .VOB files, but i can't select the output file size at 700MB, for example |
| 14:14 | <jstevens> | Skrat: It's a P4 |
| 14:14 | <Skrat> | jstevens; ah |
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| 14:15 | <fxiny> | jstevens: rushing to update ? :) |
| 14:15 | <jstevens> | fxiny: I'm pleading the 5th on that... |
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| 14:16 | <jstevens> | :-) |
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| 14:17 | <NinjaMan> | tom: I'm back |
| 14:19 | <fxiny> | jstevens: last week i was laughing loud about a python sec-fix . shortly after perl got fixed TWICE : i'm still trying to recover :) |
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| 14:19 | * | Skrat adds to his .list |
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| 14:21 | <Skrat> | w00t |
| 14:21 | * | Skrat installs irssi |
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| 14:21 | <rain> | ciao qualcuno sa se sono usciti dei driver validi per portatili vaio per quanto riguarda le cam ricoh? |
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| 14:23 | <jstevens> | fxy: odd, what's the current source on security for Stable, I did something wrong as my apt-get update is saying not found |
| 14:23 | <amphi> | !it |
| 14:23 | <dpkg> | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
| 14:23 | <fxiny> | jstevens: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 14:23 | <jstevens> | fxiny: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates stable main contrib non-free |
| 14:24 | <fxiny> | non-free ? |
| 14:24 | <jstevens> | fxi looks like I went a little happy on typing |
| 14:24 | <jstevens> | LOL |
| 14:24 | <jstevens> | bad copy/paste job |
| 14:24 | <fxiny> | jstevens: :) |
| 14:25 | <phillipsjk> | Christmas: you can divide expected size by the number of seconds in the material to reveal the desired data-rate. (no, I don't know if theora can do that automaticly for you) |
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| 14:26 | <Christmas> | ok ty |
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| 14:26 | * | phillipsjk thinks variable bit-rate is the future |
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| 14:43 | <Christmas> | just found it, ffmpeg2theora doesn't allow filezise specifications http://en.linuxreviews.org/Ffmpeg2theora |
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| 14:43 | <Christmas> | "You can't set target size to get a output file which is exactly 350 MB or something like that." |
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| 14:47 | <phillipsjk> | There is still the manual method. Keep in mind that 700 MB is actually 5600 Mbits. |
| 14:49 | <Christmas> | yes, but the problem is that the respective DVD has four .VOB files which need to be ripped |
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| 14:50 | <Christmas> | so to have one ogg theora at 700 or around MB i must rip two VOB files |
| 14:50 | <Christmas> | and eventually concatetenate themselvs (ogmcat? but it says it's still in beta) |
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| 14:50 | <Christmas> | i can't tell him to rip "the first VOB and first n minutes from second VOB" |
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| 14:52 | <Christmas> | i guess i'll be stuck with one ogg file per VOB file, with a size around 400MB at default theora quality |
| 14:52 | <_MDC__> | Using KVM in lenny using kernel 2.6.24-1-amd64, one of my hosts becomes unresponsive (no ping, ssh) for a few seconds (about 20) each time one of the other guests does some I/O (installing another debian). Where to look? |
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| 14:55 | <_MDC__> | Another thing; won't xen amd64 be available in lenny? |
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| 14:57 | <dondelelcaro> | _MDC__: it already is |
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| 14:58 | <_MDC__> | dondelelcaro, hmm, I mean the linux kernel |
| 14:58 | <_MDC__> | not just the hypervisor... |
| 15:00 | <azeem> | _MDC__: AFAIK, Xen hasn't been ported to kernel > 2.6.18 for dom0 usage |
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| 15:00 | <_MDC__> | azeem, ok, that's too bad... |
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| 15:01 | <_MDC__> | azeem, we're using debian + xen at work a lot. Not a change it will be in lenny then? |
| 15:01 | <azeem> | _MDC__: I don't think it depends on Debian |
| 15:01 | <_MDC__> | Is the xen group waiting for mainline? |
| 15:02 | <azeem> | rather waiting for the next RHEL release or something, dunno |
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| 15:02 | <azeem> | currently, no enterprise distributions ship > 2.6.18, AFAICT, so they don't bother too much |
| 15:02 | <_MDC__> | Any suggestion on what to use instead? KVM? |
| 15:02 | <azeem> | but not sure realy |
| 15:02 | <_MDC__> | ok.. |
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| 15:06 | <_MDC__> | about my first post about KVM please ignore it, i'm just stupid... |
| 15:07 | <dondelelcaro> | azeem: wasn't it merged upstream? |
| 15:07 | <azeem> | dondelelcaro: only domU support, I thought |
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| 15:08 | <dondelelcaro> | could be |
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| 15:12 | <_MDC__> | azeem, dondelelcaro; the linux-image-2.6.24-1-xen-686 is that a dom0 kernel? If, then why not did xen not port the amd64 version - seems like more would like that for a virtual env... |
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| 15:17 | <norbert_> | apt-cache search tor shows several hundred packages, but none of them is tor |
| 15:17 | <dondelelcaro> | norbert_: it's just called tor; apt-cache search tor router; would have found it for you |
| 15:17 | <norbert_> | E: Package tor has no installation candidate |
| 15:18 | <dondelelcaro> | norbert_: what does apt-cache policy; and apt-cache policy tor; |
| 15:18 | <dondelelcaro> | say? |
| 15:18 | <dondelelcaro> | if it says etch, it wasn't released with etch, and you need to install it using etch-backports. |
| 15:19 | <norbert_> | it says: Please install Ubuntu if you want to use Linux |
| 15:19 | <norbert_> | neh, sorry, that was harsh |
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| 15:19 | <jakeriver> | :| |
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| 15:29 | <beer> | I have a small problem. I would lke to install adep but I am running lenny and there are only packes in experimental and stable (witch I cannot install becouse of dependecy problems) what do I do? |
| 15:29 | <dondelelcaro> | !backports |
| 15:29 | <dpkg> | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 15:29 | <azeem> | beer: why do you want to install it |
| 15:30 | <azeem> | it's pretty much deprecated I think |
| 15:30 | <beer> | I like the little notifier there tells me when there is updates |
| 15:30 | <azeem> | there's update-notifier for that |
| 15:31 | <beer> | gonna trie that |
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| 15:33 | <chealer> | beer: better forget adept for now. I suggest synaptic instead. |
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| 15:35 | <beer> | is lenny on track to be finished in sept? |
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| 15:37 | <davi> | What package to get 'emule' for Debian etch? |
| 15:37 | <_MDC__> | davi, apt-get install amule ? |
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| 15:38 | <davi> | let me try _MDC__ |
| 15:39 | <chealer> | beer: hardly |
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| 15:41 | <davi> | chealer, october? |
| 15:41 | <chealer> | davi: also hardly |
| 15:42 | <davi> | November? |
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| 15:43 | <davi> | Debian with KDE 4.1 will be great :D |
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| 15:43 | <davi> | I am looking forward for it, Debian GNU/Linux with KDE 4.1 |
| 15:44 | <chealer> | dpkg: lenny pool 1 |
| 15:44 | <dpkg> | it has been said that lenny pool 1 is ! avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, streuner=2009-06-15 |
| 15:45 | <chealer> | I pretty much stick to that |
| 15:45 | <beer> | so debian 5.0 will come with kde 4.1? |
| 15:46 | <themill> | chealer: pessimist! |
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| 15:46 | <chealer> | themill: where's your bet? |
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| 15:47 | <chealer> | beer: shipping a KDE 4.1 RC was discussed not too long ago. #debian-kde would know better. |
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| 15:47 | <themill> | chealer: :) |
| 15:47 | <james> | hi |
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| 15:48 | <beer> | I just hope it will. Kde 4 lookes so promissing |
| 15:48 | <Guest2141> | anyone here have a twinhan/digiwave 103g DVB card? |
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| 15:52 | <sun> | is there a 'photoshop' for video which can stabilize the video (after its been shot)? |
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| 15:59 | <bahamat> | is there a problem with the sid sources right now? |
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| 16:01 | <tj_> | anyone like to point me to a good URL for linux themed wide wallpapers? |
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| 16:01 | <shivraj> | I have a wirless card ... is there a way to do iwconfig and dhclient at startup ? |
| 16:01 | <azeem> | bahamat: there's frequently issues with sid sources, probably now as well |
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| 16:01 | <bahamat> | azeem: |
| 16:02 | <azeem> | shivraj: yes, configure /etc/network/interfaces appropriately |
| 16:02 | <bahamat> | azeem: I mean in that the packages list doesn't even parse properly |
| 16:02 | <tj_> | for those here earlier... dunno docs said too early to tell.. but looks like a girl! |
| 16:02 | <bahamat> | azeem: I can't even run apt-get update |
| 16:02 | <tj_> | completely off subject i know but i am so anxious |
| 16:03 | <azeem> | bahamat: maybe your mirror is broken, try another one |
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| 16:03 | <bahamat> | azeem: I've tried a few, and they all do the same thing |
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| 16:04 | <shivraj> | azeem: do I just put iwconfig eth1 essid .... ? |
| 16:04 | <azeem> | shivraj: no |
| 16:04 | <azeem> | shivraj: read the documentation in wireless-tools |
| 16:04 | <shivraj> | and iface ... |
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| 16:38 | <DJBloodSkin> | hello, i just installed proftpd on a machine on my local network. how do i enable root logins? (i dont have xserver so all help needs to be terminal based) |
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| 16:49 | <Cheatah> | DJBloodSkin: RootLogin On |
| 16:49 | <Cheatah> | if you REALLY want to |
| 16:49 | <DJBloodSkin> | it is there |
| 16:49 | <DJBloodSkin> | and i restarted the daemon |
| 16:50 | <DJBloodSkin> | hmm |
| 16:51 | <DJBloodSkin> | an alternative option would to be to make a new acount |
| 16:51 | <DJBloodSkin> | or user |
| 16:51 | <DJBloodSkin> | whatever |
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| 16:51 | <DJBloodSkin> | and then just move the files |
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| 16:51 | <DJBloodSkin> | or i can break down and install x |
| 16:52 | <DJBloodSkin> | then switch my monitor over to the crap machine for a second |
| 16:52 | <DJBloodSkin> | only problem is |
| 16:52 | <DJBloodSkin> | i need a really lite windows manager |
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| 16:55 | <patrick295767> | Who is interested by voice recognition with Linux boxes? |
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| 17:01 | <tj_> | what is a good app for wallpaper switching in kde? |
| 17:01 | <tj_> | i found one for gnome. |
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| 17:09 | <daniel> | hey,... how can i download beryl for Debian/testing ? cant find the right sources for apt... or is there a way i can download em from the etch source? |
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| 17:10 | <azeem> | daniel: didn't beryl stop to exist some time ago? |
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| 17:11 | <daniel> | azeem: :-O their site seems up to date :S is there a better programe like beryl out there? |
| 17:11 | <azeem> | compiz |
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| 17:13 | <daniel> | are the settins in xorg.conf the same for compiz as for beryl |
| 17:13 | <azeem> | I think so |
| 17:14 | <Nazcafan> | hi |
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| 17:15 | <Nazcafan> | I can not get to put my macbook to sleep |
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| 17:17 | <amphi> | Nazcafan: what does 'cat /sys/power/state' say, if anything? |
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| 17:18 | <Nazcafan> | amphi, mem disk |
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| 17:18 | <amphi> | Nazcafan: 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' doesn't make it sleep? |
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| 17:21 | <Nazcafan> | amphi, do I need to be root ? |
| 17:21 | <amphi> | Nazcafan: indeed |
| 17:21 | <DJBloodSkin> | what are some fun things i can do with a freshly built basic lamp server? |
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| 17:21 | <amphi> | Nazcafan: if it works, you can put that in an acpi event handler |
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| 17:24 | <Nazcafan> | amphi, it worked _ |
| 17:24 | <Nazcafan> | amphi, cool |
| 17:24 | <Nazcafan> | bu |
| 17:24 | <Nazcafan> | but |
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| 17:24 | <amphi> | heh |
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| 17:32 | <enelya> | guten abend zusammen |
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| 17:53 | <thirocker> | Oi?? |
| 17:53 | <DJBloodSkin> | what are some fun things i can do with a freshly built basic lamp server? |
| 17:53 | <thirocker> | Hi |
| 17:53 | <thirocker> | i'm frm brazil |
| 17:53 | <thirocker> | where are u from? |
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| 17:53 | <DJBloodSkin> | alaska, why? |
| 17:53 | <thirocker> | for nothing dude |
| 17:53 | <Double> | hi, do you guys know a good .Flv video player ? |
| 17:54 | <thirocker> | yes |
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| 17:54 | <thirocker> | BitComet flv layer for Windows, =p |
| 17:54 | <Double> | comeon |
| 17:54 | <Double> | debian |
| 17:54 | <thirocker> | for linux i never need that before |
| 17:54 | * | DJBloodSkin smacks the retard out of thirocker |
| 17:54 | <Double> | but can you ? |
| 17:55 | <thirocker> | i noobie on linux world guys |
| 17:55 | <thirocker> | take easy XD |
| 17:55 | <thirocker> | i'll looking for, one minute pls |
| 17:55 | <Double> | by the way a free-standing flv player called "flv player" is better |
| 17:55 | <Double> | 4 windows |
| 17:55 | <DJBloodSkin> | check adobes website, i believe they may have something |
| 17:55 | <amphi> | Double: mplayer/ffmpeg perhaps? dunno |
| 17:56 | <thirocker> | guys, may you help me |
| 17:56 | <thirocker> | i need to connect my motorola v3re on linux debian version called big linux |
| 17:56 | <Double> | i na |
| 17:56 | <thirocker> | but i trying to do that for years XD |
| 17:56 | <Double> | i tried the others mplayer and ffmpeg din't work |
| 17:57 | <Double> | any other people know something that can play flv? |
| 17:57 | <Double> | i have XFCE as my desktop |
| 17:57 | <thirocker> | ffmpeg |
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| 17:58 | <thirocker> | sudo apt-get install ffmpeg |
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| 17:58 | <Double> | thirrocker --> I tried that man |
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| 17:58 | <thirocker> | i dont know right if this soft works for execute flv files or to convert |
| 17:58 | <thirocker> | =/ |
| 17:58 | <Double> | ffmpeg is to convert |
| 17:58 | <thirocker> | i looking here |
| 17:58 | <thirocker> | i still looking here |
| 17:59 | <Double> | what? |
| 17:59 | <thirocker> | i trying to find here |
| 17:59 | <Double> | any one else know an flv player ? |
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| 17:59 | <VTommy_> | hello again guys |
| 17:59 | <thirocker> | downtube |
| 17:59 | <thirocker> | flvget |
| 18:00 | <thirocker> | try |
| 18:00 | <Double> | thirrocker -> for debian? |
| 18:00 | <thirocker> | try that |
| 18:00 | <VTommy_> | need to configure debian for email server / webmail server |
| 18:00 | <thirocker> | i dont know |
| 18:00 | <thirocker> | try man |
| 18:00 | <VTommy_> | anyone can help me? |
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| 18:01 | <VTommy_> | or should say guide me :-) |
| 18:01 | <hobophobe> | Is there a way to force PCM to mix to mono? |
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| 18:01 | <thirocker> | i'm trying to connect my motorola v3re on linux debian |
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| 18:01 | <Double> | dude thirrocker there is no apps called flvget and downtube |
| 18:01 | <thirocker> | but i can't |
| 18:02 | <thirocker> | someone can help me? |
| 18:02 | <Double> | ur cell? |
| 18:02 | <thirocker> | yes |
| 18:02 | <Double> | just mount it as a flash drive |
| 18:02 | <Double> | it works |
| 18:02 | <Double> | it worked 4 me atleast i have a w580i |
| 18:02 | <thirocker> | you have msn? |
| 18:03 | <Double> | hotmail? |
| 18:03 | <Double> | yeah |
| 18:03 | <thirocker> | yes |
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| 18:03 | <Double> | not messenger |
| 18:03 | <thirocker> | thi_spfc_@hotmail.com |
| 18:03 | <Double> | 4 what?\ |
| 18:03 | <thirocker> | take a look i put my cell on flash mode |
| 18:03 | <Double> | k |
| 18:03 | <thirocker> | wat i do now? |
| 18:03 | <thirocker> | what* |
| 18:03 | <Double> | r u going to send it to me |
| 18:03 | <Double> | ? |
| 18:04 | <Double> | send it at |
| 18:04 | <thirocker> | sudo apt-get install w32codecs |
| 18:04 | <thirocker> | i think this can works |
| 18:04 | <thirocker> | you have the kaffeine?? |
| 18:04 | <Double> | trash.trail.2@gmail.com |
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| 18:04 | <Double> | i tried Kaffine too |
| 18:04 | <Double> | din't work |
| 18:04 | <Double> | only played the sound |
| 18:05 | <hobophobe> | I guess mono mixing depends on the driver features? |
| 18:05 | <Double> | don't understand why? |
| 18:05 | <thirocker> | ok |
| 18:05 | <thirocker> | sudo apt-get install w32codecs |
| 18:05 | <thirocker> | sudo apt-get install kaffeine |
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| 18:05 | <thirocker> | third and last step, run kaffeine |
| 18:05 | <Double> | i'll try that |
| 18:06 | <thirocker> | ok |
| 18:06 | <Double> | w32codecs |
| 18:06 | <Double> | sorry |
| 18:06 | <thirocker> | ? |
| 18:06 | <Double> | din't mean to type that here |
| 18:06 | <themill> | Double: also try swfdec-player from swfdec-gnome |
| 18:06 | <Nazcafan> | !powerdev |
| 18:06 | <thirocker> | XD |
| 18:06 | <Nazcafan> | !groups |
| 18:06 | <dpkg> | [groups] file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 18:06 | <Double> | don't that only play swf? |
| 18:06 | <thirocker> | laughs*** |
| 18:06 | <Double> | themill? |
| 18:06 | <thirocker> | where are u from dude? |
| 18:07 | <thirocker> | where are u from double? |
| 18:07 | <Double> | Indian |
| 18:07 | <Double> | originaly |
| 18:07 | <themill> | Double: I believe that it can play flash video as well |
| 18:07 | <Double> | Us now |
| 18:07 | <Double> | i'll try that too themill |
| 18:07 | <thirocker> | hum, i'm from brazil |
| 18:07 | <thirocker> | são Paulo |
| 18:08 | <Double> | si puedo hablar espanol un poceto |
| 18:08 | <thirocker> | yo soy brasileño, donde tu eres? |
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| 18:08 | <Double> | de indiano |
| 18:08 | <Double> | k |
| 18:08 | <themill> | Double, thirocker: this is an English-language channel. There are -es and -br channels if you want. |
| 18:08 | <Double> | back to english |
| 18:08 | <thirocker> | ok XD |
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| 18:09 | <thirocker> | sorry themill |
| 18:09 | <themill> | no worries :) |
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| 18:10 | <Double> | dude from india |
| 18:10 | <Double> | sorry |
| 18:10 | <thirocker> | u are from india man, crazy =D |
| 18:10 | <thirocker> | you work on us? |
| 18:10 | <thirocker> | what did you do? |
| 18:10 | <Double> | sorry wrong chat room |
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| 18:10 | <thirocker> | XD |
| 18:10 | <Nazcafan> | is there a powerdev group in debian as in ubuntu? |
| 18:10 | <Double> | dude i am in high school |
| 18:11 | <themill> | Nazcafan: yes. |
| 18:11 | <thirocker> | hhhhm... |
| 18:11 | <thirocker> | i'm high school too |
| 18:11 | <Double> | we are such nerds dude |
| 18:11 | <Double> | hahaha |
| 18:11 | <thirocker> | XD |
| 18:11 | <thirocker> | certainly |
| 18:11 | <thirocker> | hahaha |
| 18:11 | <themill> | Nazcafan: a regular desktop user would probably be in cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev lpadmin powerdev by default. |
| 18:11 | <thirocker> | but the girls like to me |
| 18:11 | <Nazcafan> | themill, it is not referenced in the group doco file |
| 18:11 | <thirocker> | XD |
| 18:11 | <thirocker> | they think i'm sexy |
| 18:11 | <Nazcafan> | themill, I don't have powerdev |
| 18:11 | <thirocker> | XD |
| 18:12 | <thirocker> | im a playa |
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| 18:12 | <thirocker> | hahahaha XD |
| 18:12 | <Nazcafan> | themill, cool, now I may be able to get acpi to work! |
| 18:12 | <Nazcafan> | brb |
| 18:13 | <Double> | problem when i put in apt- blabla it swfdec-gnome it says cound't find package |
| 18:13 | <themill> | Double: gah... sorry.. that's not in etch |
| 18:13 | <Double> | oh |
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| 18:13 | <Double> | how do i get it then? |
| 18:13 | <thirocker> | try |
| 18:14 | <thirocker> | apt-get install update |
| 18:14 | <Double> | i did |
| 18:14 | <thirocker> | i don't know man |
| 18:14 | <Double> | k i think i have a problem with the sys |
| 18:14 | <thirocker> | why you don't put ubuntu on your machine? |
| 18:14 | <thirocker> | hardy heron |
| 18:14 | <Double> | cause this thing is a peice of crap |
| 18:15 | <sander> | !unstable |
| 18:15 | <dpkg> | somebody said unstable was the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
| 18:15 | <thirocker> | it's a greats system |
| 18:15 | <thirocker> | maaaan |
| 18:15 | <ranix> | !ubuntu |
| 18:15 | <thirocker> | you have a cd device? |
| 18:15 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:15 | <thirocker> | CD-rom |
| 18:15 | <Double> | mine is |
| 18:15 | <thirocker> | ? |
| 18:15 | <themill> | thirocker: this is the wrong place for ubuntu advocacy... |
| 18:15 | <Double> | my comp |
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| 18:15 | <Double> | is stupidly crazy old |
| 18:15 | <thirocker> | sorry again dude |
| 18:15 | <Double> | umm.. |
| 18:15 | <thirocker> | man, take a look, |
| 18:16 | <Double> | it says it can't find update as a package either |
| 18:16 | <Double> | i think my sys is messed |
| 18:16 | <thirocker> | you need to download a live cd on the internet |
| 18:16 | <thirocker> | it's easy |
| 18:16 | <thirocker> | if you dont want |
| 18:16 | <Double> | dude i have 130Mb ram |
| 18:16 | <sander> | How can I install xine from unstable into lenny? |
| 18:16 | <ranix> | !ops thirocker is trolling |
| 18:16 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ranix complains about: thirocker is trolling |
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| 18:16 | <Double> | cant install |
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| 18:16 | <thirocker> | you can dude |
| 18:16 | <VTommy_> | anyone know of a good app for webmail on local server? |
| 18:16 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o Myon] by ChanServ |
| 18:16 | <thirocker> | one minute |
| 18:16 | -!- | mode/#debian [+q thirocker!*@*] by Myon |
| 18:16 | <Double> | be uber slow tho |
| 18:16 | <weasel> | thirocker: squirrelmail? |
| 18:16 | <VTommy_> | and also a mail server? |
| 18:17 | <weasel> | pick one. |
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| 18:18 | <Double> | hey how to get swfdec-player |
| 18:18 | <Double> | ? |
| 18:18 | <Double> | if not by package? |
| 18:18 | <thirocker_> | hi |
| 18:18 | <thirocker_> | why can i was kicked out? |
| 18:18 | <thirocker_> | XD |
| 18:18 | <thirocker_> | sorry |
| 18:18 | <thirocker_> | why i was kicked out? |
| 18:18 | <azeem> | thirocker_: because you're being off-topic |
| 18:19 | <thirocker_> | hmm..sorry man |
| 18:19 | <themill> | thirocker_: please try to add more value to the discussion while using fewer lines. |
| 18:19 | * | mentor notes that ban-evasion is a network level offence |
| 18:19 | <@Myon> | try writing longer, less noisy sentences |
| 18:19 | <Double> | how to get swfdec-player cause it is not in package by debian |
| 18:19 | <Double> | ?? |
| 18:19 | <thirocker_> | double, i'll send a e-mail to you, whit a linux version |
| 18:19 | <Double> | k |
| 18:19 | <thirocker_> | it the last off-topic comment |
| 18:19 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 18:19 | <ranix> | Double: is that in debian-multimedia perhaps |
| 18:19 | <thirocker_> | please don't kick me |
| 18:19 | -!- | mode/#debian [+b *!*@201-13-175-122.dial-up.telesp.net.br] by mentor |
| 18:19 | -!- | thirocker_ was kicked from #debian by mentor [thirocker_] |
| 18:20 | -!- | mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 18:20 | <Double> | ouch |
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| 18:20 | <ranix> | haha please don't kick me |
| 18:20 | <chealer> | sander: do you have a testing/unstable mix? |
| 18:20 | <azeem> | ranix: the messenger is next |
| 18:20 | * | mentor has a pang of guilt |
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| 18:20 | <mentor> | He might have been being serious |
| 18:20 | <Double> | guys how to install swfdec-player |
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| 18:20 | <Double> | it is not in the packages |
| 18:20 | <themill> | Thanks, ops. Nice teamwork again :) |
| 18:20 | <Double> | ? |
| 18:21 | <mentor> | Double: Cut it out with the repeating |
| 18:21 | <mentor> | dpkg find swfdec-player |
| 18:21 | <Double> | did |
| 18:21 | <azeem> | it's mozilla-swfde |
| 18:21 | <azeem> | c |
| 18:21 | <azeem> | or are you talking about the Gnome player? |
| 18:21 | <kjetil_> | And ideas to why copy-paste doesn't function properly between iceweasel and aterm ( gnome/unstable ) Work if I copy/paste to gnometerminal first and then to aterm. |
| 18:21 | <sander> | chealer, no. I dont.. But xine dosnt work in lenny.. I was told to install libxine1 from unstable. |
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| 18:21 | <Double> | then how to play downloaded flv files with it? |
| 18:21 | <themill> | !info swfdec-gnome |
| 18:21 | <dpkg> | Debian Search of 'swfdec-player' (1): (/usr/bin/swfdec-player, /usr/share/swfdec-gnome/swfdec-player.ui, /usr/share/applications/swfdec-player.desktop) in utils/swfdec-gnome. |
| 18:22 | <azeem> | Double: that'd be swfdec-gnome |
| 18:22 | <Double> | oh |
| 18:22 | <chealer> | !tell sander about tum |
| 18:22 | <themill> | It's lenny/sid only. |
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| 18:22 | <mentor> | !tell Double about search |
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| 18:22 | <Double> | sorry mentor |
| 18:22 | <dpkg> | swfdec-gnome: (Tools to play SWF files (Macromedia Flash) on GNOME), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.22.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 18:22 | <Double> | i only know apt-cache search |
| 18:22 | <themill> | dpkg: you're slow |
| 18:22 | <dpkg> | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
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| 18:23 | <themill> | azeem: am I right in thinking that the swfdec stuff does flv? |
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| 18:23 | <azeem> | themill: yeah, I think so |
| 18:23 | <azeem> | not sure |
| 18:23 | * | themill is thoroughly confused by the plethora of *swf* packages |
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| 18:23 | <themill> | I mostly ignore flash anyway... |
| 18:23 | <azeem> | so many? |
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| 18:23 | <Double> | k i typed "apt-get install swfdec-gnome" |
| 18:23 | <ranix> | likewise |
| 18:23 | <Double> | and it is not showing up |
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| 18:24 | <Double> | also i just did a update |
| 18:24 | <azeem> | Double: be more specific |
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| 18:24 | <Double> | how? |
| 18:24 | <Double> | azeem? |
| 18:24 | <azeem> | Double: like, quote error messages |
| 18:24 | <azeem> | Double: which version of Debian? |
| 18:24 | <Double> | XFCE |
| 18:24 | <ranix> | did you type it on your typewriter, Double? Did you get an error message? |
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| 18:24 | <azeem> | Double: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 18:24 | <VTommy_> | anyone can help setup suirrelmail for first time use and webmail access? |
| 18:24 | <Double> | i did it in the terminal |
| 18:25 | <mentor> | Double: That's OK, now you know more. |
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| 18:25 | <Double> | 2.3.4ds1-13etch5 |
| 18:25 | <Double> | version |
| 18:25 | <azeem> | 2.3.4? |
| 18:25 | <Double> | name libc6 |
| 18:25 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 18:25 | <Double> | 2.3.6 |
| 18:25 | <Double> | sorry |
| 18:26 | <azeem> | ok |
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| 18:26 | <azeem> | swfdec-gnome is likely not available for that version of Debian |
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| 18:26 | <Double> | gay |
| 18:26 | <Double> | can i update? |
| 18:26 | <mentor> | BAD |
| 18:26 | <Double> | how? |
| 18:26 | <azeem> | !gay |
| 18:26 | <dpkg> | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 18:26 | <mentor> | Do NOT use gay as a pejorative |
| 18:26 | <Double> | k soory |
| 18:26 | <Double> | BAD |
| 18:26 | <Double> | how do i update |
| 18:26 | <Double> | ? |
| 18:26 | <ranix> | I disagree with that but that's off-topic |
| 18:26 | <mentor> | !ug |
| 18:27 | <azeem> | Double: you can try to update to testing, but are you sure you want to destabilize your system just for playing flv? |
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| 18:27 | <mentor> | ranix: That's so ranix |
| 18:27 | <Double> | not really |
| 18:27 | <Double> | any flv player avaiable for the stable versions? |
| 18:27 | <azeem> | dunno |
| 18:27 | <themill> | !adobe flash |
| 18:27 | <dpkg> | Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 18:28 | <mentor> | FLV video is not SWF. |
| 18:28 | <themill> | ^^ the plugin will do it but I don't know about standalone. |
| 18:28 | <Double> | but i want to play downloaded flvs |
| 18:28 | <mentor> | swfdec uses gstreamer to play FLV, AFAIK |
| 18:28 | <ranix> | vlc can do this, can't it? |
| 18:28 | <Double> | no |
| 18:28 | <mentor> | probably |
| 18:28 | <Double> | it only plays the souds |
| 18:28 | <Double> | sounds |
| 18:28 | <ranix> | ah |
| 18:28 | <ranix> | kudos for trying though |
| 18:28 | <themill> | throw the right codec at it... |
| 18:28 | <mentor> | You may need a newer vlc though :/ |
| 18:28 | <Double> | i installed the package |
| 18:29 | <Double> | so i think i have the latest |
| 18:29 | <Double> | ? |
| 18:29 | * | themill does a quick count of the years of debian experience here trying to play an flv... |
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| 18:29 | <ranix> | themill: it might be approaching epsilon |
| 18:30 | <mentor> | The canonical (sic) answer, it appears, is that you need newer software. |
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| 18:30 | <VTommy_> | how do i connect to suirrelmail ? |
| 18:30 | <Double> | ? |
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| 18:30 | <Double> | flv prblem?? |
| 18:31 | <ranix> | VTommy_: squirrelmail is http. It's just a set of perl scripts and webpages, iirc |
| 18:31 | <ranix> | it might be php, but I don't think so |
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| 18:32 | <VTommy_> | but how do i access it it's already install but i can't view it :-( |
| 18:32 | <themill> | mencoder can transcode flv (apparently) so mplayer might be able to play them... with the right codec installed. |
| 18:32 | <ranix> | VTommy_: it is not a "program", per say, that you can install. You need to put it in your /var/www directory and properly configure Apache (etc.) to host it, or simlink it or put its directory in httpd.conf |
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| 18:33 | <Johnny_Demonik> | anyone up for a easy help really quick |
| 18:33 | <Double> | guy what happened to the conv about flv? |
| 18:33 | <Johnny_Demonik> | i gave up like an hour ago |
| 18:33 | <Double> | I can try |
| 18:33 | <Johnny_Demonik> | its wifi related |
| 18:33 | <Double> | 4 prob not |
| 18:34 | <ranix> | Double: the consensus here was that collectively we have about epsilon years of experience playing flvs in this channel |
| 18:34 | <Double> | oh |
| 18:34 | <Double> | so not possible? |
| 18:34 | <ranix> | definitely possible |
| 18:34 | <VTommy_> | well i used apt-get to download it and install it's there i can see the configure option but where are the files located to put in /var/www/webmail example |
| 18:34 | <ranix> | look at backports and non-free |
| 18:34 | <dondelelcaro> | you can just play them with youtube-dl and mplayer. |
| 18:34 | <dondelelcaro> | pretty trivial |
| 18:34 | <Double> | mplayer does not work |
| 18:34 | <dondelelcaro> | sure it does |
| 18:34 | <ranix> | mplayer needs a codec |
| 18:34 | <Double> | i tried |
| 18:34 | <Double> | which one? |
| 18:35 | <Double> | mplayer?\ |
| 18:35 | <ranix> | the one for playing flvs |
| 18:35 | <dondelelcaro> | !debian-multimedia |
| 18:35 | <dpkg> | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 18:35 | <dondelelcaro> | (though the normal one probably works too) |
| 18:35 | <ranix> | VTommy_: put the entire squirrelmail directory there and play around |
| 18:35 | <Double> | codec? name ? dondelelcaro? |
| 18:35 | <ranix> | VTommy_: IIRC there is (almost) nothing you can do while installing squirrelmail to bone your system |
| 18:35 | <VTommy_> | well config util is in /usr/sbin |
| 18:35 | <ranix> | so feel free to experiment |
| 18:36 | <VTommy_> | what do you mean bone? |
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| 18:36 | <dondelelcaro> | VTommy_: you can just install the squirrelmail package, and point your webserver at it |
| 18:36 | <dondelelcaro> | VTommy_: it's pretty trivial |
| 18:36 | <Johnny_Demonik> | ndiswrapper should work correctly right? |
| 18:36 | <dondelelcaro> | Double: they're just ffmpeg codecs |
| 18:36 | <themill> | Double: I'll guess w32codecs as that's where most of the codecs are found. |
| 18:36 | <VTommy_> | dondelelcaro: i have install it but i have no clue where the files are |
| 18:36 | <ranix> | Johnny_Demonik: actually, no |
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| 18:37 | <dondelelcaro> | VTommy_: dpkg -L squirrelmail |
| 18:37 | <Johnny_Demonik> | ya go figure |
| 18:37 | <themill> | dondelelcaro: is it? oh... ok. |
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| 18:37 | <VTommy_> | dondelelcaro: i have used apt-get to get it |
| 18:37 | <ranix> | Johnny_Demonik: ndiswrapper is not good software and is not a good solution to any problem, whatsoever |
| 18:37 | <dondelelcaro> | VTommy_: so? |
| 18:37 | <Johnny_Demonik> | trying to install my compaq presario wifi driver using ndiswrapper and its not working |
| 18:37 | <ranix> | Johnny_Demonik: have you searched for native drivers first? ndiswrapper is a last ditch alternative |
| 18:38 | <Johnny_Demonik> | then how should i go about it? |
| 18:38 | <Johnny_Demonik> | no native drivers |
| 18:38 | <VTommy_> | has i can see now those files are everywhere :) |
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| 18:38 | <Johnny_Demonik> | i looked for weeks |
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| 18:38 | <ranix> | Johnny_Demonik: my condolences. I got a new wireless card rather than use ndiswrapper |
| 18:38 | <Johnny_Demonik> | iwconfig shows my wlan but its not connecting |
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| 18:38 | <dondelelcaro> | Johnny_Demonik: if iwconfig shows your wlan, then the drivers are kind of working. |
| 18:39 | <dondelelcaro> | Johnny_Demonik: check dmesg. |
| 18:39 | <Johnny_Demonik> | laptops are tuchy about wifi cards |
| 18:39 | <VTommy_> | seems most of them are in /usr/share/squirrel so do host for it in httpd.conf |
| 18:39 | <VTommy_> | cd .. |
| 18:39 | <windowshasyou> | Johnny_Demonik: depends on the laptop. Most of the ones I've owned haven't given me any trouble |
| 18:39 | <VTommy_> | oops wrong window :-) |
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| 18:41 | <dondelelcaro> | VTommy_: it even ships a sample apache.conf, which you can symlink to /etc/apache/conf.d/squirrelmail if you have a simple configuration |
| 18:41 | <dondelelcaro> | (or use as a starting point if you have a more complicated setup) |
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| 18:43 | <Johnny_Demonik> | compaq presario r3000 |
| 18:43 | <Johnny_Demonik> | none AMD model |
| 18:43 | <Johnny_Demonik> | and its bout ready to hit the floor |
| 18:44 | <Johnny_Demonik> | i got every driver working but the wifi |
| 18:44 | <windowshasyou> | I hear compaq's make excellant door stops |
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| 18:44 | <windowshasyou> | Johnny_Demonik: Must have the broadcom chip |
| 18:44 | <windowshasyou> | ? |
| 18:44 | <Johnny_Demonik> | ya i bet they do |
| 18:44 | <Johnny_Demonik> | ya |
| 18:45 | <Johnny_Demonik> | bcm94306mpsg |
| 18:45 | <windowshasyou> | Johnny_Demonik: The only way I ever managed to get them working is with ndiswrapper |
| 18:45 | <Johnny_Demonik> | i tried everything |
| 18:45 | <Johnny_Demonik> | and im not doing something right |
| 18:45 | <Johnny_Demonik> | i guess |
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| 18:46 | <windowshasyou> | Johnny_Demonik: Did you set ndiswrapper to load on startup and set the card to activate on boot? |
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| 18:46 | <Johnny_Demonik> | huh |
| 18:46 | <Johnny_Demonik> | lol |
| 18:47 | <VTommy_> | alright got squirrelmail working |
| 18:47 | <VTommy_> | now just need the server itself lol :-) |
| 18:47 | <Johnny_Demonik> | and i do that how |
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| 18:47 | <windowshasyou> | Johnny_Demonik: hold on, let me find you a guide for doing that |
| 18:47 | <windowshasyou> | Can't remember how to do it right in debian |
| 18:47 | <Johnny_Demonik> | ya plz |
| 18:47 | <Johnny_Demonik> | ty |
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| 18:48 | <Johnny_Demonik> | me and debian aren't friends ATM |
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| 18:49 | <VTommy_> | what email server should i install if not already installed :-) how do i configure anyone could help? |
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| 18:50 | <jaski> | Hi there. I'm running Debian stable on legacy hardware (366 MHz Celeron, 5GB disk, with only ~390MB free). I've just bought a USB drive (WD, 160GB) and wonder what parts, if any, of Etch could be stored there without taking too big a perfomance hit (I only have usb 1.1 :() |
| 18:50 | <windowshasyou> | Johnny_Demonik: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty don't know what variant you are using, but this guide should work. Down in sections 1.11.5.4 and 1.11.5.5 deal with the ndiswrapper and setting up the broadcom chip |
| 18:51 | <windowshasyou> | hope it helps you out |
| 18:51 | <Johnny_Demonik> | me too |
| 18:51 | <Johnny_Demonik> | thank you |
| 18:51 | <windowshasyou> | np |
| 18:51 | <DJBloodSkin> | im getting fatalerror could not open display |
| 18:51 | <DJBloodSkin> | when starting a wndow manager |
| 18:51 | <azeem> | DJBloodSkin: are you running X? |
| 18:51 | <DJBloodSkin> | xorg |
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| 18:52 | <azeem> | which terminal emulator? Xterm? |
| 18:52 | <DJBloodSkin> | startx then try rox-desktop |
| 18:52 | <DJBloodSkin> | hmm |
| 18:52 | <DJBloodSkin> | dont think i installed one |
| 18:52 | <azeem> | DJBloodSkin: are you starting it as root? |
| 18:52 | <DJBloodSkin> | yes i am |
| 18:52 | <azeem> | that might be the problem? |
| 18:52 | <DJBloodSkin> | ok |
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| 18:54 | <DJBloodSkin> | still get the same error on non-root user |
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| 18:54 | <DJBloodSkin> | xterm is the latest version |
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| 18:55 | <Johnny_Demonik> | windowshasyou none of them apt-gets work |
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| 18:55 | <windowshasyou> | Johnny_Demonik: do you know what package manager you have? |
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| 18:55 | <windowshasyou> | synaptic, or something like that? |
| 18:56 | <Johnny_Demonik> | ya |
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| 18:56 | <windowshasyou> | ok, use your package manager and install aptitude |
| 18:56 | <windowshasyou> | or just use your package manager to install whatever the guide says you need |
| 18:57 | <Johnny_Demonik> | aptitude already installed |
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| 18:58 | <windowshasyou> | k, is apt installed? |
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| 19:00 | <todoesverso> | hi, does anyone use gEDA here? |
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| 19:01 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | windowshasyou, apt installed yes |
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| 19:02 | <themill> | windowshasyou: what sort of debian box do you think he has? |
| 19:02 | <abrotman> | todoesverso: have you tried #electronics on freenode? |
| 19:02 | <abrotman> | erm .. ##electronics |
| 19:02 | <windowshasyou> | themill: not real sure, could be any one of a few debian variants |
| 19:03 | <abrotman> | variants? |
| 19:03 | <themill> | windowshasyou: all of which will have apt-get, aptitude and synaptic... |
| 19:03 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | yep |
| 19:03 | <themill> | JeSTeR_Demonik: what are you trying to do and what's not working for you? |
| 19:04 | <abrotman> | is it Debian or a derivative ? |
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| 19:04 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | im just trying to get wifi to start working |
| 19:04 | <todoesverso> | abrotman: thanks i'll tray that |
| 19:04 | <windowshasyou> | themill: your right, just thought I'd try to help |
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| 19:05 | <phillipsjk> | jaski: 5 GB may be big enough. You may want to read the FHS before moving things like /usr anh /hme to the external drive. |
| 19:05 | <abrotman> | todoesverso: i assume you meant for electronics right? |
| 19:05 | <phillipsjk> | www.pathname.com/fhs/ |
| 19:05 | <todoesverso> | yep |
| 19:05 | <abrotman> | todoesverso: my understanding is that the mailing list is quite a bit better than irc for geda |
| 19:05 | <themill> | windowshasyou: helping is good ;) it's not always easy to work out what the next question to ask is... |
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| 19:07 | <windowshasyou> | themill: thats true, but the next question I had for him, which I should have started out with, and was going to ask before you had said something, was what distro he is running and then locate him a specific guide |
| 19:07 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | Linux 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 19:07 | <todoesverso> | abrotman: yes is trhue, but im quite new, so i want to ask for simple stuff first |
| 19:07 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | hrm |
| 19:07 | <themill> | windowshasyou: that and this one: |
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| 19:07 | <abrotman> | todoesverso: ah okay, i only know the author, not the software :) |
| 19:08 | <themill> | JeSTeR_Demonik: what did you mean by this: [23:55] <Johnny_Demonik> windowshasyou none of them apt-gets work |
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| 19:08 | <todoesverso> | lol, thats a start |
| 19:08 | <abrotman> | todoesverso: did you check the gEDA website? |
| 19:09 | <themill> | JeSTeR_Demonik: please pastebin the output of what you are trying to do, including the command. (Do you have wired internet on this machine too?) |
| 19:09 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | the network-manager-pptp and bcm43xx-fwcutter are not on atp-get list |
| 19:09 | <todoesverso> | abrotman: yes i have, ive read quite a lot, but i still cant get something to work |
| 19:10 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | wired etho works fine |
| 19:10 | <abrotman> | todoesverso: ah okay |
| 19:10 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | im on it now |
| 19:11 | <todoesverso> | abrotman: actually as simple as, $apt-get install geda , then i try to run $geda an its not htere :( |
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| 19:11 | <abrotman> | todoesverso: ah .. you really do need the beginner docs |
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| 19:11 | <DJBloodSkin> | my problem was that i was trying to start rox from a different session than the one i started x with |
| 19:11 | <abrotman> | http://geda.seul.org/wiki/ |
| 19:12 | <themill> | JeSTeR_Demonik: bcm43xx-fwcutter is in volatile /msg dpkg volatile |
| 19:12 | <themill> | JeSTeR_Demonik: network-manager-pptp is not in etch at all. Do you really need it? |
| 19:13 | <todoesverso> | abrotman: XD, actually im note that lost, the thing is that $geda is the command for the ¨project manager¨, that is what im trying to use |
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| 19:13 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | idk |
| 19:13 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | is there another way to install my driver |
| 19:14 | <themill> | JeSTeR_Demonik: pptp is for virtual private networks, e.g. connecting to a work network from home. If you need that, we can do something about that later. One thing at a time. |
| 19:15 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | i to my pastebin posted |
| 19:15 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | still need it?> |
| 19:15 | <themill> | JeSTeR_Demonik: url? |
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| 19:15 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | http://pastebin.ca/1001071 |
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| 19:17 | <themill> | JeSTeR_Demonik: There's a reasonable chance you can get it running without ndiswrapper. /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
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| 19:17 | <todoesverso> | abrotman: XD, there it is, is no longer suppoerted, thanks for the help |
| 19:17 | <abrotman> | okay |
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| 19:28 | * | JeSTeR_Demonik has given up |
| 19:28 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | lol |
| 19:28 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | ima go find a nice version of xp |
| 19:28 | <JeSTeR_Demonik> | lol WOW |
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| 19:33 | <Ekari> | people i need some support i kind of used the chomp -r command like this |
| 19:33 | <Ekari> | chomp -r root/ |
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| 19:34 | <Ekari> | and i think i did something wrong X-D cuz now there is this weird thing that says perl failing to start standar localle c |
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| 19:34 | <Ekari> | i think i fixed it with a dpkg configure |
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| 19:35 | <Ekari> | but it removed like 400 packagues, so can someone help me to get my xserver back X-D |
| 19:35 | <dondelelcaro> | Ekari: dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build that local. |
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| 19:51 | <james> | hi |
| 19:52 | -!- | james is now known as Guest2165 |
| 19:52 | <Guest2165> | ayone here have a twinhan or digiwave 103g DVB card? |
| 19:52 | -!- | Guest2165 is now known as lwizardl |
| 19:52 | <lwizardl> | ayone here have a twinhan or digiwave 103g DVB card? |
| 19:52 | <phillipsjk> | !repeat |
| 19:52 | <dpkg> | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:53 | <lwizardl> | sorry my nick got auto changed |
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| 19:53 | <lwizardl> | so i reposted it after I changed to my real nick |
| 19:55 | <abrotman> | lwizardl: i asked you hours ago on freenode which distro you were running |
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| 19:56 | <lwizardl> | sorry I had to leave for a few |
| 19:56 | <lwizardl> | currently I'm using ubuntu but I'm always open for others |
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| 19:57 | <abrotman> | lwizardl: this channel is for Debian support. If you want help with Ubuntu try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net |
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| 19:58 | <franco> | goood nnnigth |
| 19:58 | <lwizardl> | I have tried that never seem to get any answers for this card. |
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| 19:58 | <lwizardl> | and for some reason on this machine I can't connect to freenode |
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| 20:04 | <abrotman> | he was connected earlier |
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| 20:07 | <carlosdias> | ls |
| 20:08 | <Monobi> | Where do I get a cloak ? |
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| 20:29 | <bluevapour> | Hihi |
| 20:29 | <bluevapour> | Guys this is going to sound odd, but it seems like totem is killing my internet connection |
| 20:29 | <bluevapour> | Odd thin is, connection says it is active, and also says that its configured ok |
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| 20:31 | <bluevapour> | Maybe its not that |
| 20:31 | <bluevapour> | But when i leave the computer for a long time, it basically stops working completely |
| 20:31 | <bluevapour> | Becomming a real pain |
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| 20:33 | <bluevapour> | ?? |
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| 20:45 | <jpiccolo> | what is the debian way to install wine? using apt? |
| 20:45 | <snaqo> | yeah |
| 20:46 | <snaqo> | does anybody know if linux has any x264 decoders that use GPU acceleration? apparently both windows and macos have it :| |
| 20:46 | <zarchne> | snaqo: did you check debian-multimedia? |
| 20:47 | <snaqo> | you mean the apt-cache ? |
| 20:47 | <dondelelcaro> | thermal paste is what you're looking for |
| 20:47 | <jpiccolo> | arg my wine is all messed up |
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| 20:49 | <jpiccolo> | is 2.6.18-6-686 64 bit? |
| 20:50 | <zarchne> | jpiccolo: no |
| 20:50 | <zarchne> | 2.6.18-6-*-amd64 |
| 20:51 | <jpiccolo> | ok so what is the difference with 686 and 486? |
| 20:51 | <zarchne> | optimization |
| 20:51 | <abrotman> | and RAM support |
| 20:51 | <abrotman> | and SMP IIRC |
| 20:51 | <zarchne> | 686 won't run on older machines, or else poorly. |
| 20:52 | <jpiccolo> | ok so why was synaptic trying to install a 486 kernel on my machine? |
| 20:52 | <zarchne> | It doesn't know. |
| 20:52 | <abrotman> | jpiccolo: because you have the metapackage installed likely |
| 20:53 | <chealer> | jpiccolo: when doing what? |
| 20:53 | <jpiccolo> | i was just doing a upgrade |
| 20:53 | <abrotman> | jpiccolo: dpkg -l *486* .. how mayn do you get ? |
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| 20:54 | <snaqo> | nothing interesting in debian multimedia, i think |
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| 20:54 | <VTommy_> | hi guys |
| 20:54 | <VTommy_> | need to install an email server, what comes with debian? |
| 20:55 | <jpiccolo> | abrotman: 8 |
| 20:55 | <nevyn> | VTommy_: exim, postfix, nullmailer, ssmtp and if your massichistic sendmail |
| 20:55 | * | zarchne is a masochist, BTW. |
| 20:55 | <abrotman> | jpiccolo: paste themsomewhere |
| 20:55 | <nevyn> | VTommy_: plus other mta's you've never heard of. |
| 20:55 | <VTommy_> | also i will need to configure apache2 to use to send emails |
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| 20:56 | <abrotman> | VTommy_: pick the MTA that you know |
| 20:56 | <VTommy_> | any help would be appreciated :-) what's best for what i need? |
| 20:57 | <VTommy_> | so many what should i use :-) |
| 20:57 | <nevyn> | postfix is probably the most popular general purpose mta |
| 20:57 | <nevyn> | if you don't know any it's a reasonable choice as is exim |
| 20:57 | <VTommy_> | cool thanks for info nevyn |
| 20:57 | <VTommy_> | will check them both :-) |
| 20:58 | <nevyn> | sendmail is the most popular mta in the world but it's way overcomplicated and arcane for a new deployment unless you already know it. |
| 20:58 | <nevyn> | imnsho |
| 20:58 | <zarchne> | I don't disagree. |
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| 20:59 | <VTommy_> | i don't know nothing lol :-P just started 1 week ago but got most of my apache sites running and multiple games server running but now need emails and webmail :-) |
| 20:59 | <DJBloodSkin> | how to solve: "FatalError: you suck" when starting x server? |
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| 20:59 | <jpiccolo> | how could i remove everything to do with wine? |
| 20:59 | <nevyn> | it's a bit like the difference between C and C++ C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. With C++ you don't have a leg anymore. |
| 20:59 | <zarchne> | VTommy_: exim is almost certainly already installed. |
| 21:00 | <VTommy_> | k |
| 21:00 | <VTommy_> | how to check? |
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| 21:00 | <nevyn> | DJBloodSkin: ok.. "FatalError: you suck" is the sort of thing that you point out ot keithp and he goes.. our bad that was never supposed to show up. if it's the litteral error. |
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| 21:00 | <DJBloodSkin> | what do you guys reccomend as a lite alternative combo for nautilus and gnome? |
| 21:01 | <VTommy_> | how can i do a check if it's installed or not? |
| 21:01 | <abrotman> | DJBloodSkin: xfce |
| 21:01 | <nevyn> | VTommy_: dpkg -l exim4 |
| 21:02 | <VTommy_> | showing not installed |
| 21:02 | * | zarchne shrugs |
| 21:02 | <VTommy_> | just do apt-get install exim4?? |
| 21:03 | <DJBloodSkin> | abrotman i was considering that |
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| 21:03 | <VTommy_> | or use dpkg to install? |
| 21:03 | <zarchne> | VTommy_: actually, there may be a slight advantage to postfix. |
| 21:03 | <VTommy_> | k |
| 21:04 | <zarchne> | VTommy_: And aptitude has some advantages over apt-get by itself. |
| 21:04 | <zarchne> | So, "aptitude install postfix" |
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| 21:04 | <VTommy_> | how so? |
| 21:04 | <DJBloodSkin> | is xfce 4.4 more intensive on resources than 4.0? |
| 21:04 | <VTommy_> | i seee :-) |
| 21:05 | <zarchne> | VTommy_: aptitude keeps track of what was automatically installed |
| 21:05 | <VTommy_> | i like :-) |
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| 21:05 | <zarchne> | and can be smarter about upgrades. |
| 21:05 | <abrotman> | DJBloodSkin: probably not much more |
| 21:06 | <Ekari> | how can i upgrade to the lastest kernel ? |
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| 21:06 | <Ekari> | i thought in the process of miving to lenny it was goin to update the kernel too but it did not |
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| 21:07 | <abrotman> | update it to what? |
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| 21:07 | <zarchne> | The kernel in lenny? |
| 21:07 | <abrotman> | i'm asking him |
| 21:07 | <zarchne> | So am I. |
| 21:08 | <VTommy_> | can postfix manage more then 1 domaine? |
| 21:09 | <nevyn> | yep |
| 21:09 | <nevyn> | it supports virtual domains. |
| 21:09 | <VTommy_> | cool |
| 21:09 | <VTommy_> | now how to do correct configurations :-) |
| 21:09 | <zarchne> | VTommy_: There's also a #postfix channel over on freenode. |
| 21:09 | <VTommy_> | ohh cool |
| 21:09 | <nevyn> | VTommy_: giyf for that sort of config |
| 21:10 | <abrotman> | tons of docs at www.postfix.org |
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| 21:10 | <VTommy_> | yeah i can understand that :-) read and read and more reading ;-) |
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| 21:11 | <VTommy_> | hey i got to this point without having to pull my hair out so i'm doing good so far :-) |
| 21:11 | <GhostlyDeath> | X has too many dleyas |
| 21:11 | <GhostlyDeath> | I'd be typing and everything would go in but sometimes the display pauses for a few seconds |
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| 21:11 | <rockstar> | Can I mount an ext3 filesystem as ext2 (without journaling). It seems the ext3 journal is corrupted, and I'd like to get the data off. |
| 21:11 | <abrotman> | yes |
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| 21:12 | <bhundven> | I've rebuilt my kernel on powerpc, trying to get eth1394 to work, but when I load the module, I don't see a new nic. anyone know what is going on? |
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| 21:13 | <tj_> | i'd like to get a little input on ATI graphics drivers.... Xorg.con is saying "vesa" for the driver... which to my understanding is generic... so what are my options? and why is one better than the other... I tried fglrx in the past and liked it but i stole if from sid repo (using etch) and now know thats bad. |
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| 21:14 | <abrotman> | tj_: your card? |
| 21:14 | <tj_> | radeon x1200 |
| 21:14 | <tj_> | in a notebook |
| 21:14 | <abrotman> | which version of debian ? |
| 21:14 | <abrotman> | bah ... |
| 21:14 | <abrotman> | !fglrx one-liner |
| 21:14 | <dpkg> | it has been said that fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 21:14 | <tj_> | and i would certainly like the most out of tv-out options running etch 2.6.18-686 |
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| 21:15 | <Ekari> | yes in lenny |
| 21:16 | <tj_> | so fglrx is in fact the prefered driver? |
| 21:16 | <Ekari> | ati sucks -.- nvidia is so mcuh easier :p sorry i had to make the comment |
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| 21:16 | <bhundven> | xorg ati driver doesn't support x1200, you must use the fglrx proprietary driver. |
| 21:16 | <phillipsjk> | tj_ your card is too new for the open source driver :p |
| 21:17 | <zarchne> | Is that about nvidia a long running joke, or something? |
| 21:17 | <zarchne> | Ekari: What kernel are you trying to upgrade to? |
| 21:17 | <tj_> | its ok... my first "new" computer... everything else i have ever had has been stone age so it didnt matter. and i made a ton of bad choices. i thought amd was better... not thinking so now.. thought ati was better, now know differently... all the componets are knock off or realtek.. sucks |
| 21:17 | <chealer> | bhundven: how do you check for the new nic? |
| 21:18 | <phillipsjk> | The new nvidia card aren't supported by the nv drvir either. |
| 21:18 | <bhundven> | chealer: check dmesg, kern.log, and ifconfig -a |
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| 21:18 | <bhundven> | no blacklists in hotplug. |
| 21:18 | <abrotman> | Ekari: they're both equally shit |
| 21:18 | <bhundven> | lol |
| 21:19 | <bhundven> | I like my intel video. it just works. |
| 21:19 | <amphi> | bhundven: indeed - mine is working decently with EXA here |
| 21:20 | <tj_> | well, i gotta stuff my face for a few, then i am off to work on video... be here in the back. |
| 21:23 | <bhundven> | brb |
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| 21:26 | <tj_> | abrotman, what did you mean by m-a a-i fglrx? |
| 21:27 | <abrotman> | it's a command |
| 21:28 | <zarchne> | tj_: "man m-a", eh? |
| 21:29 | <tj_> | will do |
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| 21:31 | <bryan> | hmm. ic. eth1394 seems to be broke in kernels >2.6.21-2-powerpc |
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| 21:33 | <enelya> | gute nacht zusammen *winke winke |
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| 21:33 | <VTommy_> | how do i return to a stop proccess guys? |
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| 21:34 | <amphi> | VTommy_: in the shell you ran it from? |
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| 21:34 | <amphi> | VTommy_: fg in that case (assuming you have no other backgrounded processes) |
| 21:35 | <VTommy_> | k |
| 21:35 | <VTommy_> | how do i send my message with mail? |
| 21:35 | <bhundven> | you can view the backgrounded processes by typing jobs |
| 21:35 | <VTommy_> | i'm stuck in the message itself |
| 21:35 | <bhundven> | man mail |
| 21:36 | <amphi> | VTommy_: put a . on a line on itself to end the 'body' of the mail |
| 21:36 | <VTommy_> | k |
| 21:36 | <VTommy_> | ty amphi |
| 21:36 | <VTommy_> | . |
| 21:36 | <VTommy_> | oops good to change window :-) |
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| 21:41 | <tj_> | abrotman, is this command complete? "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg." extention or is the "." end of statement? |
| 21:42 | <abrotman> | there's a . there? |
| 21:42 | <tj_> | k. |
| 21:42 | <abrotman> | leave the . off |
| 21:42 | <VTommy_> | is it normal for email to take 10 minutes to get in? |
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| 21:43 | <abrotman> | get in where? |
| 21:44 | <VTommy_> | i sent a test email from linux to my hotmail |
| 21:44 | <VTommy_> | but taking for ever to get there :( |
| 21:44 | <zarchne> | It may never make it to hotmail. |
| 21:44 | <abrotman> | look in the mail.log |
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| 21:44 | <zarchne> | Hotmail routinely accepts messages that it delivers to write-only folders. |
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| 21:45 | <Killing_Frost> | Greetings... |
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| 21:46 | <Killing_Frost> | Noticed in Lenny, that if you start the puter with a blank CD in the drive, alsa doesn't start/work. Is that a bug? |
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| 21:46 | <tj_> | abrotman.... it did not detect my card... modprobed the driver.... |
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| 21:47 | <abrotman> | pretty sure fglrx in etch works with x1200 |
| 21:47 | * | zarchne -- running etch -- wonders if Killing_Frost's problem happened to him the other day. |
| 21:47 | <zarchne> | Killing_Frost: BTW, what's in /dev/snd? |
| 21:47 | <tj_> | http://debian.pastebin.com/d4ece1c2a plz? |
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| 21:48 | <tj_> | reboot and re-configure? |
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| 21:49 | <Killing_Frost> | Lots of stuff, from the look of it. It's a directory. |
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| 21:51 | <Killing_Frost> | Want I should paste it here? I't three lines. |
| 21:51 | <Killing_Frost> | It's even. |
| 21:51 | <tj_> | abrotman... i did a bios update from toshiba today.... hope it didnt mis-label my vid card |
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| 21:52 | <tj_> | lspci said x1200 before (i think) but now it says "VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 791f" |
| 21:53 | <amphi> | tj_: try update-pciids and run lspci again, perhaps |
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| 21:54 | <tj_> | ah ha says x1200 again! |
| 21:54 | <mysupper> | tj_ hello. |
| 21:54 | <tj_> | hello mysupper |
| 21:54 | <mysupper> | tj_ you trying to install gui environment using direct rendering? |
| 21:55 | * | Killing_Frost has an ATI All-in-Wonder. Haven't really looked, but it wasn't supported back in Woody. Still haven't checked the bttv system, so... |
| 21:55 | <Villarroel> | Hi. |
| 21:55 | <tj_> | not that i am aware of... just trying to get the most of my video card |
| 21:55 | <mysupper> | tj_ good luck! |
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| 21:57 | <tj_> | is there a reason that my machine is going to melt down or somthing abrotman seems friendly enough. |
| 21:57 | <zarchne> | Killing_Frost: Well, as I alluded, the other day I booted up and alsa "didn't work" and it seemed due to names in /dev/snd with "C1" in them instead of "C0". |
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| 21:58 | <zarchne> | I have a little one who tends to swap CDs in and out... |
| 21:58 | <abrotman> | huh ? |
| 21:58 | <tj_> | mysupper... response? |
| 22:00 | <mysupper> | tj_ 1st thing I recommend to you is use mesa first using 1 monitor. |
| 22:00 | <Killing_Frost> | Ah...That could've been it. I have a SoundBlaster Live and some weird motherboard audio chip. I didn't check /dev/snd at the time, since I hardly use the sound system. It often flakes out after an upgrade, but a reboot usually resets it. This time it didn't until I removed the blank CD. |
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| 22:01 | <mysupper> | tj_ 2nd step will be trying install exact driver between ati driver or ati binary driver in debian package. |
| 22:02 | <mysupper> | tj_ 3rd step will be editing xorg.conf for various settings. |
| 22:02 | <tj_> | well... right now i am being interogated by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:02 | <mysupper> | tj_ I was a little bit confused using debian binary and ati driver. |
| 22:03 | <mysupper> | tj_ ok. first thing is to set it up just for one monitor. it will be done that way. |
| 22:03 | <tj_> | what does my keyboard have to do with video? LOL |
| 22:03 | <mysupper> | tj_ becasue xorg.conf has options for keyboard. |
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| 22:04 | <mysupper> | tj_ xorg is working like a os...not just like that though. |
| 22:04 | <tj_> | aw crap... i knew i shoulda payed better attention to the last screen... what kind of keyboard layout for notebook? |
| 22:04 | <dpkg> | crap... i knew i shoulda payed better attention to the last screen... what kind of keyboard layout for notebook: you action whore! |
| 22:04 | <abrotman> | dpkg: shuddup |
| 22:04 | <mysupper> | tj_ :) |
| 22:04 | <dpkg> | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 22:05 | <mysupper> | tj_ don't forget to save original xorg.conf during setting up various stages. |
| 22:05 | <tj_> | its current value is pc104 will it hold my original settings if i dont change it? |
| 22:05 | <tj_> | i am going to back up... hopegfully it hasnt written yet |
| 22:05 | <mysupper> | tj_ it would. |
| 22:06 | <phillipsjk> | The xorg-reconfigure script saves a copy of the old xorg.conf |
| 22:06 | <mysupper> | tj_ for me,,I do that using debian default xserver setup and save xorg.conf for xorg.conf-original. And start to edit xorg.conf. |
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| 22:08 | <tj_> | gotcha saved as xorg.conf.old |
| 22:08 | * | Killing_Frost spaces. |
| 22:08 | * | Killing_Frost waves... |
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| 22:11 | <tj_> | enable all? glx,dri,vbe,int10,dbe |
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| 22:15 | <tj_> | 15.4 wide what is typical highest reslution? |
| 22:15 | <tj_> | 1920X1440? |
| 22:16 | <mysupper> | tj_ you could do that, and xorg will determine whether driver can be installed. |
| 22:17 | <mysupper> | tj_ resolution depends on hardware limitations and you can set it up using resolution options. |
| 22:17 | <tj_> | okey dokey... back to the command line... whew' |
| 22:17 | <tj_> | so now gonna re-boot and hope it comes up... if not... i'll change back to old file. |
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| 22:19 | <tj_> | here goes... brb |
| 22:19 | <mysupper> | tj_ that's right |
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| 22:27 | <tj_> | whew, what a little prevention will do in a pinch |
| 22:27 | <tj_> | :) |
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| 22:28 | <tj_> | mysupper... that didnt exactly go very well. |
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| 22:29 | <mysupper> | tj_ hmm..well..did you installed ati drivers (not debian ati binaries)? |
| 22:30 | <tj_> | believe so... i took abrotman's [dpkg] output |
| 22:30 | <abrotman> | don't blame me |
| 22:30 | <abrotman> | :) |
| 22:30 | <mysupper> | :) |
| 22:30 | <tj_> | not at all |
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| 22:31 | <tj_> | its all good... backed up before it was too late |
| 22:31 | <tj_> | but i do however need a cigarett now LOL |
| 22:31 | <tj_> | mysupper... i do have little tid-bit of info |
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| 22:31 | <tj_> | you know how depressed i was about loosing gkrellm2.3.1? |
| 22:31 | <dpkg> | I resemble that remark! |
| 22:31 | <tj_> | well its back! |
| 22:32 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 351] by debhelper |
| 22:32 | <tj_> | and no i didnt steal it from sid |
| 22:32 | <tj_> | brb |
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| 22:35 | <tj_> | ok, im back |
| 22:35 | <mysupper> | tj_ sorry. my customers are harassing me. :) |
| 22:36 | <mysupper> | tj_ you did.. |
| 22:36 | <mysupper> | !fglrx one-liner |
| 22:36 | <dpkg> | well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 22:36 | <mysupper> | you did all this? |
| 22:36 | <tj_> | yes i did |
| 22:36 | <tj_> | the reconfigure part is were it got choppy for me |
| 22:36 | <mysupper> | that means you installed debian binaries. |
| 22:37 | <abrotman> | well .. ati binaries .. the debian way |
| 22:37 | <mysupper> | and do you have fgrlx in kernel modules? |
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| 22:37 | <mysupper> | check using lsmod. |
| 22:37 | <tj_> | fglrx did load |
| 22:37 | <mysupper> | ok.. |
| 22:37 | <mysupper> | now you are ready for testing whether it will work or not . it will be judged by xorg. |
| 22:38 | <tj_> | xorg.conf is now unchanged... i reverted it back |
| 22:38 | <mysupper> | do you have option "fglrx" in device area in your xorg.conf? |
| 22:38 | * | dpkg reluctantly agrees to do you have option "fglrx" in device area in your xorg.conf |
| 22:40 | <tj_> | negative... has vesa... its my orginal xorg.conf file |
| 22:41 | <tj_> | isnt there another config tool similar to aticonfig? |
| 22:41 | <mysupper> | tj_ I see vesa is working now. then, you can test fglrx is really working by using "fglrx" instead of ves. |
| 22:41 | <mysupper> | tj_ nope. |
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| 22:41 | <tj_> | gottcha... just change vesa=fglrx |
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| 22:41 | <mysupper> | tj_ not like that. |
| 22:42 | <tj_> | well replace vesa with fglrx |
| 22:42 | <mysupper> | right. |
| 22:43 | <mysupper> | then kill xorg and gdm and check startx. |
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| 22:43 | <mysupper> | if that doesn't work. the debian fglrx driver is not working on you hardware. |
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| 22:44 | <tj_> | i think it will work... had it on here before... |
| 22:44 | <mysupper> | :) |
| 22:44 | <tj_> | brb |
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| 22:45 | <abrotman> | doesn't fglrx have a man page? |
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| 22:47 | <mysupper> | abrotman it has. |
| 22:47 | <abrotman> | i'd imagine it says which cards it supports |
| 22:48 | <mysupper> | abrotman i guess so. |
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| 22:48 | <ptr> | howdy |
| 22:48 | <ptr> | does anyone know of a way to list running processes by disk i/o ? |
| 22:48 | <mysupper> | for me..I have 8500GT at working place but my stupid samsung mother board can't control it. :( |
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| 22:49 | <mysupper> | I guess Samsung did some weird stupid things on mother board bios. :( |
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| 22:50 | <mysupper> | brb |
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| 22:52 | <ptr> | given that *something's* thrashing the drive, and there's plenty of free memory |
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| 22:55 | <tj_> | mysupper.... i dont think that the screen is configured correctly ... no so much the adapter.. keeps saying no screen |
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| 22:58 | <mysupper> | tj_ then the option structures fitting to xorg.conf in not right. |
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| 22:58 | <mysupper> | tj_ I guess you need to see some samples for xorg.conf. |
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| 22:58 | <tj_> | ya... its ok.. i will work it out little by little... |
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| 23:00 | <tj_> | i have become a bit more comfortable.. by no means "capable" but there isnt anything that can happen i cannot re-do. been writing notes |
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| 23:00 | <tj_> | i usually learn the hard way:) |
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| 23:01 | <mysupper> | tj_ dealing xorg.conf needs some traing, once used to that, it's very easy. |
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| 23:02 | <tj_> | i'll do a little net reading. |
| 23:03 | <tj_> | would you believe all that hassle about gkrellm, went to the website downloaded a tarball and compiled it in etch with no outside dependacies? i am like "um, why didnt they just put it in etch?" |
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| 23:04 | <abrotman> | !info gkrellm etch |
| 23:04 | <tj_> | mysupper... you said your customers we hassling you.. what is it that you do? |
| 23:04 | <dpkg> | gkrellm: (The GNU Krell Monitors), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.2.9-1 (etch), Packaged size: 753 kB, Installed size: 2068 kB |
| 23:05 | <mysupper> | tj_ :) |
| 23:05 | <abrotman> | tj_: like that? |
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| 23:05 | <tj_> | no... not 2.2.9 but rather 2.3.1 |
| 23:05 | <tj_> | for use of k8temp |
| 23:05 | <abrotman> | oh jeez |
| 23:05 | <abrotman> | !info gkrellm sid |
| 23:05 | <dpkg> | gkrellm: (The GNU Krell Monitors), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.3.1-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 760 kB, Installed size: 1868 kB |
| 23:06 | <tj_> | did not pull it from sid |
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| 23:07 | <tj_> | only package i didnt have and should have already was libgtk-dev |
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| 23:10 | <mysupper> | gkrellm? that's cute. :) |
| 23:10 | <mysupper> | but I don't use it. my desktop is full of windows. :) |
| 23:10 | <tj_> | where is the photo pastebin? good for screenshots? |
| 23:10 | <mysupper> | Didn't debian has some packages for gkrell? |
| 23:11 | <tj_> | yes alot. |
| 23:11 | <mysupper> | tj_ i use ksnapshot. |
| 23:11 | <tj_> | i mean a place to dump it public |
| 23:11 | <mysupper> | tj_ it can take xinerama also. |
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| 23:11 | <mysupper> | tj_ well..flicker? |
| 23:12 | <tj_> | i guess i mean a pastebin for images |
| 23:13 | <mysupper> | tj_ I don't know. :) |
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| 23:15 | <mysupper> | I guess I found http://pastebin.com/. |
| 23:15 | <mysupper> | still works? |
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| 23:17 | <tj_> | http://geocities.com/onewithnature8383/newdesk4.jpg |
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| 23:17 | <mysupper> | tj_ that's cute. :) |
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| 23:18 | <dpalacio> | tj_: pastebin for images: imageshack.us, tinypic.com |
| 23:18 | <tj_> | alot better than ksensors |
| 23:18 | <tj_> | booking those dpalacio.. i am sure i will want them again |
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| 23:21 | <tj_> | back on the fglrx subject... last time i just used the package from sid... worked great... so i know it will work... just have to work on the configuration as you said... wish i had saved a copy of my old xorg.conf |
| 23:21 | <knifemonk> | hello #debian ;) |
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| 23:22 | * | knifemonk is running sid-everything |
| 23:22 | <tj_> | my goal is to get tv out working good so that i can do webcam on the television... |
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| 23:22 | <tj_> | my little girl loves to see her grandparents on the tv.. did it in vista once |
| 23:23 | <knifemonk> | may i be specific? about my distro choice... no-one will take offenec xD |
| 23:23 | <knifemonk> | tj_: you want to look into myth-tv |
| 23:23 | <tj_> | it its not debian, we prob wont agree.... |
| 23:23 | <tj_> | i'll do that |
| 23:24 | <knifemonk> | it's still debian technically |
| 23:24 | <tj_> | seems everyone else is away anyways |
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| 23:24 | <tj_> | <---- is a noob, so opinion doesnt really count but i like what i have |
| 23:25 | <knifemonk> | sidux you might have heard of it, anyway i'm not here as a fan boi just looking to recieve/give help to some fellow penguins :) |
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| 23:25 | <tj_> | they all waddled off somewheres |
| 23:25 | <tj_> | yes heard of it |
| 23:25 | <knifemonk> | it aint half bad. |
| 23:26 | <tj_> | is that the same as sid? |
| 23:26 | <tj_> | from the debian project? |
| 23:26 | <tj_> | or a hacked out ver. |
| 23:26 | <knifemonk> | sid with a choice of modifie d or vanilla kernel, a live script and some support packages... basically |
| 23:27 | <tj_> | ya, well prob not for me as a starting point |
| 23:27 | <tj_> | if i can crash etch twice i think i could crash anything |
| 23:27 | <knifemonk> | yeah, sid is 'unstable' but also bleeding edge stuff, so isnt for everyone |
| 23:27 | <tj_> | :p |
| 23:28 | <knifemonk> | heh that's a nice effort |
| 23:28 | <tj_> | LOL |
| 23:28 | <knifemonk> | at #sidux we try to break it just to find faults :> |
| 23:28 | <tj_> | still trying to get fglrx working |
| 23:29 | <knifemonk> | is that the opensource ati driver |
| 23:29 | <tj_> | yea... i used to be a WIN man... so ya know... starting all over.. havent been back since i installed etch really but maybe a few times for cam and such |
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| 23:29 | -!- | Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> plasma.oftc.net quits: bzed |
| 23:30 | <tj_> | i think there is another IRC server for debian now that has alot more folk to impress in |
| 23:30 | <knifemonk> | yeah? where is it; |
| 23:30 | <knifemonk> | oftc.. freenode |
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| 23:31 | <tj_> | its just kinda quiet here... ya, freenode i think |
| 23:31 | <Supaplex> | BOO! |
| 23:31 | <tj_> | mysupper, where did ya go? |
| 23:32 | <mysupper> | tj_ yes, I'm here - my work place. :) |
| 23:32 | <tj_> | i understand... dont let me distract you |
| 23:33 | <tj_> | i asked.. if you dont care... what is it that you do exactly? i too find myself slackin off at work playing with linux |
| 23:34 | <mysupper> | tj_ ok, let me show you my xorg.conf using xinerama on two moniter with two diffrent resolution . |
| 23:34 | <tj_> | shoot |
| 23:34 | <mysupper> | tj_ but fglrx driver didn't worked for my x800gtp pro. |
| 23:34 | <mysupper> | wait. |
| 23:34 | <tj_> | no prob |
| 23:35 | <tj_> | mysupper you i only bug ya cause your good company right? and cause your willing to point me in a faithful direction. |
| 23:35 | <tj_> | you know* |
| 23:35 | <mysupper> | http://pastebin.com/d6b970d3c |
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| 23:36 | <mysupper> | that's my xorg.conf for xinerama using at home. |
| 23:36 | <mysupper> | it works sweetly. |
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| 23:37 | <Supaplex> | dpkg: wb |
| 23:37 | <dpkg> | thanks, supaplex. It's good to be back. |
| 23:37 | <tj_> | what is the driver exactly? ati... i am 100% certain fglrx will work... |
| 23:38 | <tj_> | but as i said before it was installed as a package from sid... |
| 23:38 | <tj_> | i didnt have to configure a thing |
| 23:38 | <tj_> | monitor section is very close to mine except i have only 1 |
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| 23:39 | <tj_> | ut in device... i dont have any "screen 0" part |
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| 23:40 | <mysupper> | :) |
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| 23:41 | <tj_> | but I have saved your file and i will pick it apart and see what works and what doesnt... i know i can always change it back |
| 23:41 | <tj_> | fairly confident the driver itesf if properly installd and it loads at boot. so |
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| 23:42 | <mysupper> | tj_ yes, if you don't mind, show me your xorg.conf if i can help you. |
| 23:42 | <tj_> | certainly |
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| 23:44 | <tj_> | http://debian.pastebin.com/d1662ffc5 |
| 23:45 | <mysupper> | ok,,you are now working on 1 screen and 1 device . |
| 23:45 | <tj_> | yes. |
| 23:46 | <tj_> | simply changing vesa to fglrx give no screen errot |
| 23:46 | <tj_> | errot |
| 23:46 | <knifemonk> | error? |
| 23:46 | <hackel> | In aptitude, how can I filter the list of packages by state? I only want to see removed packages with leftover conf files (state "c"), so that I can purge them. |
| 23:46 | <tj_> | knifemonk... x fails to start |
| 23:48 | <knifemonk> | tj_: you have alot of stuff in your config that's not needed and too many generics, you sure you have flgrx installed? |
| 23:48 | <tj_> | i will output lsmod for you |
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| 23:48 | <knifemonk> | in honesty it's an ati card so the properitory driver from www.ati.com would save you alot of trouble |
| 23:48 | <mysupper> | tj_ if you have the fglrx kernel module is in kernel and you changed the option "fglrx" in xorg.conf and startx show nothing.. |
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| 23:49 | <mysupper> | tj_ the fglrx driver you have is not working for your hardware. |
| 23:51 | <tj_> | i agree with your logic.... but i know for certain.... fglrx was installed once before |
| 23:52 | <tj_> | did you refresh the pastebin and scroll down... lsmod out put is at bottom |
| 23:52 | <mysupper> | tj_ hmm..that's curious. did you installed some other packages concerning to ati linux driver any kinds of. |
| 23:52 | <mysupper> | ok |
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| 23:53 | <tj_> | honest... i was hacking up the whole system with allsorts of crap at that time... if i wanted something from sid i just let it put whatever it wanted in... carelessly |
| 23:53 | <tj_> | not doing that this time |
| 23:54 | <tj_> | but it lsmod shows it, it is infact installed yes? or can a module load without being correctly added to the kernel? |
| 23:54 | <mysupper> | tj_ hmm that should be the reason why you can't get proper driver. |
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| 23:55 | <mysupper> | tj_ we can't live with two same kinds of drivers in xorg.conf. |
| 23:55 | <tj_> | this is a new install completely |
| 23:55 | <tj_> | just did it yesterday |
| 23:55 | <tj_> | took out the whole partition and started all over |
| 23:55 | <mysupper> | tj_ then you have a right debian binary ati driver and it is inserted into kernel module. |
| 23:55 | <tj_> | good |
| 23:56 | <tj_> | just have to figure out how to make it work LOL |
| 23:56 | <tj_> | will try it again... perhaps a typo on my part. |
| 23:56 | <tj_> | the worst can happen is change one line with nano from command line |
| 23:56 | <mysupper> | tj_ as far as I know, it will working with lines option "fglrx" in device section. |
| 23:57 | <tj_> | will try it again... brb |
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| 23:58 | <tj_> | identifier is only a reference... it could be anything as long as it was the same in the needed areas right? meaning it has no effect on how the driver works/ |
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