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---Logopened Tue Apr 29 00:00:32 2008
00:01<tq|Memphis>can i go my school?
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00:01<tq|Memphis>azeem: can i?
00:01<knifemonk>the ? o-o
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00:02<tq|Memphis>let me go school
00:02<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
00:02<tq|Memphis>!tell azeem about moo
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00:08<tj_>nah its a no go on fglrx
00:08<tj_>oh well..... i know you tried for me
00:08<tj_>i wont be giving up... i will let ya know what happends
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00:09<mysupper>tj_ :). sorry.
00:10<tj_>it ok... much appreciated
00:10<mysupper>tj_ but you can try on other driver, I mean ati driver from ati home page.
00:10<tj_>they dont even list the x1200 for some odd reason...
00:10<mysupper>tj_ I will give you the url for that.
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00:10<tj_>guess i need to take out fglrx out of moudles
00:11<mysupper>tj_ that should be the first thing to do to use other drivers.
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00:13<tj_>you mean take out the old one? it wasnt in the modules file.
00:13<mysupper>tj_ right.
00:14<tj_>vesa? how do i remove that?
00:14<tj_>thought that was just the generic built into the kernel
00:14<mysupper>tj_ nope vesa has no relations to fglrx, you don't have to worry about that.
00:15<tj_>ya... in /etc/modules there is no video related modules loading
00:16<mysupper>tj_ ok, then, you can go for ati driver from ati homepage.
00:16<mysupper>I gotta go for lunch. see you later.
00:17<tj_>k... thanks again
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00:28<hackel>Whenever I try to install phpmyadmin on etch, I get a postinst error 127. How can I figure out what is wrong? No error messages are output.
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01:14<thyop>hi guys and gals
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01:33<phillipsjk>hackel try "dpkg -D3 --pending" for more useful error messages (the debuging options are described in the dpkg man page)
01:34<knifemonk>tried apt-get -f install packagename?
01:35<hackel>philippe: Thanks. I tried all the dpkg debugging info, but it wouldn't debug the postrm script. I eventually had to go through line-by-line to figure it out (bad php link)
01:35<hackel>knifemonk: lol, yes. ;)
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01:48<Torsten_W>knifemonk: apt-get -f install packagename is not a valid command
01:48<Torsten_W>knifemonk: apt-get -f install
01:49<Torsten_W>there is no packagename to add
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01:54<phillipsjk>dpkg: Welcome back!
01:54<dpkg>it's good to be home :)
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02:07<DJBloodSkin>dpkg error!
02:07<dpkg>The error is on line 89373
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02:11<DRU>what OS has the biggest package list
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02:12<dondelelcaro>DRU: probably debian.
02:12<phillipsjk>DRU: does it matter?
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03:21<djmaster13>merde lol c pas le bon chan
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03:48<tzafrir>hi, any idea how I can make dosemu use a floppy image larger than 1440k ?
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04:22<pleb2>Hey guys
04:22<dpkg>Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at or
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04:23<dpkg>dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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04:49<lemetee>can I ask a vicarious question. I have afriend who was trying Linux for the first time and she was moaning that ahe can't listen to many real streams, but when installed mplayer and the associated plugin it all worked fine. How do I diagnose her problem?
04:50<lemetee>We are both fairly new to this
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04:50<zarchne>How was she listening to them before?
04:50<lemetee>Using Real Alternative on Windows
04:51<lemetee>That's the way I used to listen to real stream too - never liked Real Player itself
04:51<zarchne>No, on linux before installing mplayer...
04:51<lemetee>Ah she wasn't
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04:51<zarchne>I don't understand.
04:52<lemetee>zarchne is it meant to work out of the box then?
04:52<zarchne>Is what?
04:53<shze>lemetee: did you mean installing mplayer worked or playing streams worked then?
04:53<zarchne>I'm going to guess she was trying to listen to realmedia streams with helixplayer, and it didn't have the necessary codec?
04:53<lemetee>Well for me installing mplayer worked - actually for much more than real but it worked
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04:54<lemetee>I couldn't listen to Real Media (BBC listen again) until I installed mplayer
04:54<lemetee>But once I installed it it worked fine but hers doesn't
04:55<lemetee>she tried to install mplayer and it failed apparently
04:55<zarchne>Ah, you left out a pronoun in your original question...
04:55<lemetee>Did I?
04:55<lemetee>I did too
04:55<lemetee>That was stupid of me
04:55<zarchne>Well, anyway...
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04:56<zarchne>So mplayer works for some things for her, and you're both using the same version of debian?
04:57<lemetee>zarchne Well I'm using Etch - I didn't ask her version - assumed she would use the latest stable as I chose to
04:57<lemetee>She must be but I can't say categorically
04:57*zarchne nods.
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04:59<lemetee>At the moment I have advised her to install Real Alternative under Wine and use the Win32 plugin for firefox - this does work but it seems more like a cheat. It would be better if it worked with mplayer really.
04:59*zarchne nods.
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05:00<lemetee>I just can't understand what went wrong - in fact I've learnt a lot more from her system than my own which just worked first time :)
05:00<zarchne>lemetee: this isn't a java issue, is it?
05:01<lemetee>zarchne Well I don't have Java - I don't really need it
05:01<zarchne>(That is a big reason why Slackware is such a great system to learn on.)
05:01*zarchne nods.
05:01<lemetee>zarchne why do you say that - Slackware is the one system I never looked at
05:01<zarchne>does she have w32codecs installed?
05:02<lemetee>Well major system
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05:02<lemetee>zarchne well she has the real alternative real media codec installed under wine but otherwise I don't know
05:03<lemetee>I didn't have to do that mplayer seems to play everything by itself - in fact I'm going to use it on my windows system soon - it's like aswiss army knife for codecs :)
05:03<mazur> HI. My USB mouse working just when i unplug and plug again the mouse. what should i do. ?
05:04<shze>lemetee: w32codecs is from debian-multimedia, do you use this repository?
05:04<zarchne>lemetee: I haven't used Slackware recently, but its main principle is "minimal effort on the part of the distributor". So everything is in the default location, and things tend to be broken. Broken and easy-ish to fix. Great for learning on.
05:04<lemetee>shze I have it added - I have quite a few extra lines in apt
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05:06<lemetee>zarchne ah - I like the way Debian is organised - in the same way I really hated the way Suse and Mandriva organised things - Fedora was ok but it seemed less stable than Debian - Fedora crashes as often as windows :(
05:06<lemetee>Shame as it is anice system in principle
05:06<lemetee>In my newbiw opinion anyway
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05:07<lemetee>zarchne so you would say Slackware is a better teaching system?
05:07<ILoveDebian>guys, can you please tell me how I can chekc if any mail sending program is installed, and how do I configure php5 to use it?
05:08<lemetee>ILoveDebian well I just scanned for a prt 25 and looked at what was running
05:08<zarchne>lemetee: I guess it depends on what you're trying to teach...
05:09<lemetee>But I'm new to htis so there may be abetter way
05:09<lemetee>Probably is :)
05:09<lemetee>zarchne well I just wanted a really stable system and Debian seems very stable - I guess it's in the name :)
05:09<lemetee>But I am getting more curious as I use it
05:10<lemetee>I didn't set out to learn but now...maybe I do want to after all
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05:11<lemetee>ILoveDebian In my case i think it was Xsim or something like that - I'd have to look again
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05:11<zarchne>exim is usually installed by default, ILoveDebian.
05:11<lemetee>zarchne that's it I knew it was something like that
05:12<ILoveDebian>php ini was configured to use sendmail, so I did: apt-get install sendmail
05:12<ILoveDebian>I'ma newb
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05:13<zarchne>Well, probably the best general purpose MTA is postfix. (I say this as a sendmail user.)
05:13<themill>ILoveDebian: you *don't* want sendmail
05:13<lemetee>Yeah the sendmail manual is way too long :)
05:13<lemetee>Like apache
05:13<lemetee>Although apache is better written and easier to understand
05:14<lemetee>My opinion again
05:14<zarchne>Well, yeah, but you probably do want apache anyway.
05:15<tzafrir>hmm.... any idea how I can make a bootable DOS image (that I can boot from PXE) that is larger than 1440k?
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05:15<tzafrir>I can't seem to be able to do that with either mtools, dosemu or dosbox
05:15<lemetee>That was quiz question for me - what is the most used Open Source in the world - and according to my quizmaster it's apache - dunno if he's right mind - I thought it was Firefox.
05:15<ILoveDebian>I have another problem now, the <- failed
05:15<ILoveDebian>I have set this as From header
05:15<tzafrir>I tried hand-contructing a floppy and got a strange boot error
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05:16<tzafrir>with dosemu it seems like I should just be able to use a floppy image. but I can't figure out how to do that
05:17<tzafrir>I tried using driveparm in config.sys, but alway get a syntax error for that
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05:17<tzafrir>With mtools I just can't figure out the config format
05:17<lemetee>tzafrir when I was trying various distros I came across Floppy Tool in DSL but I haven't seem it elsewhere - it allaowed creation of IMG files and you could stretch them over several Floppies
05:17<zarchne>lemetee: Anyway, as you said, it's (usually, often, especially) when things go wrong that you learn how they really work. Debian stable is a pretty well designed/put together/maintained machine. Slackware is like a bunch of mismatched parts bolted together.
05:18<tzafrir>lemetee, it needs to be in a single image (so I can boot it)
05:18<lemetee>zarchne I have yet to try Slackware - I will have to do that - if only out of respect for the first distro (so I read anyway)
05:18<tzafrir>Or otherwise teach DOS to read from the network, which is probably trickier
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05:19<zarchne>It sucked for doing real work but it was good for learning.
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05:20<zarchne>Red Hat and Debian both probably owe a lot to people using Slackware and thinking "we have got to fix this whole mess".
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05:22<ILoveDebian>what can I do to configure sendmail, and not get: "The following From address failed:" errors?
05:23<ILoveDebian>I am using "" but it does not exist
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05:25<lemetee>The thing I will say for Fedora is it boots really fast - 50secs on this machine - that's the fastest boot I've ever seen!
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05:25<lemetee>ILoveDebian I did find a howto for Sendmail that I thought was eeasier to use than the manual
05:25<lemetee>I'll look for it
05:25<themill>lemetee: I only boot once every 3 or 4 months... that's not a big selling point for me!
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05:28<lemetee>ILoveDebian this is the one I found easiest to follow
05:29<lemetee>Course it's a personal thing
05:29<lemetee>themill no and in fairness Fedora cheats - it is so bare on first boot
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05:32<lemetee>I wanted to risk a stupid question now - you know Microsoft say they can sue linux for various patents? Well in the case of Debian - who would they actually sue?
05:33<lemetee>Apparently software patents aren't recognised here the UK anyway
05:34<themill>Not entirely true.
05:34<ILoveDebian>lemetee, thanks for the link
05:34<lemetee>ILoveDebian np
05:34<lemetee>themill you meant the bit about the UK?
05:35<lemetee>We don't accept pure software patent though as MS mean them?
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05:35<themill>lemetee: yes. The European patent office has been approving software-related patents for some time.
05:35<lemetee>There might be issues with Codecs I understand that
05:35<lemetee>themill I really hate software patents - it's areally stupid idea and makes me angry
05:35<themill>These have never been challenged in court though. Until that happens, we don't know whether or not they are actually valid patents.
05:36<lemetee>I mean if you can patent ideas then what's to stop a biotech company patenting someone's genes?
05:36<ILoveDebian>Is there a specific setting in sednmail that will enale sending mail even if "from" email does not exist?
05:37<lemetee>ILoveDebian I think I saw you have to add something about address checking?
05:37<themill>lemetee: we're wandering off-topic here, but you do realise that this is already happening, don't you?
05:37<lemetee>themill the gene thing? you're joking?
05:37<ILoveDebian>lemetee, how do I add that?
05:38<themill>lemetee: Unfortunately, I am not.
05:38<lemetee>ILoveDebian I never did it - the defaults were fine for me
05:38<lemetee>This is the trouble ILoveDebian I've only learnt as much as i've needed and I've never needed to do that sorry :(
05:39<Skrat>That smiley failed so hard
05:42<klando>Hi, I have issue with xdosemu, it try to mount my usb key, look good, but finally if i try to 'cd F:/' in xdosemu, it fails ( 'drive F not responding)
05:42<Skrat>It was split at the end of the line.
05:42<klando>any idea *?
05:42<Skrat>Exceedingly lame
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05:42<Skrat>klando; first off, why are you using xdosemu?
05:42<Skrat>What for?
05:42<klando>because I need a usb key dos bootable
05:42<klando>Skrat, any other opion are welcome
05:42<zarchne>ILoveDebian: if you insist on using sendmail, be sure to install sendmail-doc.
05:42<Skrat>Ok, B, why do you want it to boot DOS?
05:42<klando>because I have a HP firmware upgrade with an .bat and alll the stuff is DOS-base
05:42<ILoveDebian>zarchne, I dont insist, but I dont know how else to configure php to send mail
05:42<Skrat>klando; right
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05:42<klando>Skrat, so any idea ?
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05:43<lemetee>I have to answer the door seeya
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05:43<Skrat>I think it's cause Debian is either using the drive, or has mounted the drive, kla
05:44<klando> lsof --> 8879 root 10u BLK 8,17 12313 /dev/sdb1
05:44<klando>and device: /dev/sdb1 type 3 partition# 1 h: -1 s: -1 t: -1 drive F:
05:44<ILoveDebian>is there any sendmail channels out there?
05:44<zarchne>ILoveDebian: incidentally, pretty much all mail transfer agents provide a command "sendmail" that queues mail for sending.
05:44<petemc>all sendmail compatible ones, anyway
05:44<zarchne>ILoveDebian: #sendmail on freenode.
05:44<Skrat>klando; try coping the file over in Debian instead?
05:44<Skrat>Or copy the file you need to run onto your debian partition
05:44<ILoveDebian>so how can I uninstall sendmail and install something else that will work with php?
05:45<Skrat>Then get xdosemu to run it from there
05:45<ILoveDebian>can you help me do that please
05:47<zarchne>ILoveDebian: I think so. What exactly did you read that made you think you needed sendmail?
05:47<Skrat>php has a mail() command... >_>
05:47<ILoveDebian>In php.ini I read sendmail configuration and thought I needed to install it
05:47<ILoveDebian>I did apt-get install sendmail
05:47<ILoveDebian>how do I uninstall it and install something else?
05:47<zarchne>ILoveDebian: exactly what in php.ini
05:47<Skrat>apt-get remove sendmail
05:47<ILoveDebian>Path to sendmail: /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i
05:47<ILoveDebian>in php.ini
05:47<ILoveDebian>ok, running apt-get uninstall sendmail
05:47<zarchne>Right, many packages provide /usr/sbin/sendmail
05:47<Skrat>I can never seem to get sendmail to send any mail
05:47<Skrat>ILoveDebian; there is no 'uninstall' option
05:47<Skrat>IT's 'remove'
05:47<ILoveDebian>right.. lol
05:47<Skrat>Then you have to find the files it stuck on your system that it dosen't remove... >_>
05:47<Skrat>Trust me
05:48<ILoveDebian>ok, did apt-get remove sendmail, this is enough?
05:48<Skrat>Should do
05:48<ILoveDebian>Skrat, I dont know what to look for
05:48<zarchne>You don't want to remove it anyway, you should install a replacement. And if you use "aptitude purge" it gets rid of most of the other stuff.
05:48<Skrat>ILoveDebian; it's all right
05:48<ILoveDebian>What should I install?
05:48*Skrat notes that down
05:49<Skrat>Can sendmail send mail by itself?
05:49<ILoveDebian>the symbolic link is still there as sendmail in sbin
05:50<ILoveDebian>should I remove it?
05:50<zarchne>I suggest postfix based on reputation.
05:50<ILoveDebian>apt-get install postfix ?
05:51<Skrat>zarchne; is it possible for one computer to: A) Have a MTA on it, such as Postfix B) Send legit mail, to external addresses with that MTA?
05:51<zarchne>I suggest using aptitude instead of apt-get, but yes.
05:51<nevyn>Skrat: that's how the whole worldwide email system works.
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05:51<ILoveDebian>what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude
05:51<fooberry>can I loop mount a gzipped filesystem ?
05:51<ILoveDebian>ok, it opened configuration screen
05:51<Skrat>nevyn; Is it still possible to send mail from that computer if it dosen't have a domain name?
05:51<ILoveDebian>any suggestions?
05:51<nevyn>ILoveDebian: aptitude deals with reccomends slightly differently and keeps track of automatically installd estuff
05:51<nevyn>Skrat: yep.
05:51<zarchne>aptitude keeps track of what was automatically installed and can be smarter about upgrading.
05:52<Skrat>nevyn; omg
05:52<Skrat>nevyn; noway?
05:52<zarchne>fooberry: probably.
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05:52<nevyn>Skrat: you need to ensure the MAIL has a valid address on it.
05:52<Skrat>nevyn; Why wouldn't everyone have an MTA for messing around with, then? Send mail from anyone, to anyone...
05:52<Skrat>nevyn; yeah, sure
05:52<nevyn>but that doesn't need the machine to have a valid routable domain
05:53<zarchne>Skrat: ultimately, it's up to the remote MTA to enforce that. But most do these days.
05:53<Skrat>nevyn; you could put someone else's, though.
05:53<ILoveDebian>which one do I choose: internet site or internet site with smarthost?
05:53<nevyn>zarchne: bollocks
05:53<Skrat>Internet site
05:53<bluevapour>Guys im having a huge problem here, if i go afk for say 15mins, i come back and my network is down, ifconfig if set to dhcp becomes unconfigured, but the network manager and router both say active:S
05:53<ILoveDebian>I'm asking as I have several sites on this machine
05:53<fooberry>zarchne, probably ? I tried mount foo.gz /mnt -o loop, but it doesn't recognise the type (even if I tell it). I thought I remembered this working ...
05:53<zarchne>nevyn: you're saying most don't, or something else?
05:53<bluevapour>Im using a a8v-xe motherboard that uses vt6102(rhine 2) with kernel drivers
05:53<ILoveDebian>so internet site then...
05:54<nevyn>zarchne: mail is totally unauthenticated for the most part and trivial to forge
05:54<zarchne>fooberry: you probably need more than that.
05:54<Skrat>fooberry; mount file.gz --> -t gzip <-- /mnt/thing -o loop
05:54<nevyn>zarchne: SPF isn't widely implemented enough to make a significant dent.
05:54<Skrat>Or something instead of "gzip"
05:54<zarchne>nevyn: yes, but most require that the envelope domain is at least a valid domain.
05:54<zarchne>That's all I was meant.
05:54<bluevapour>any idea guys
05:55<nevyn>envelope domain is also trivially forged
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05:55<ILoveDebian>ok, now it does not send mail any more
05:55<ILoveDebian>how do I configure php properly for postfix?
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05:56<Skrat>ILoveDebian; if it sent mail before, why did you change it?
05:56<bluevapour>Meh wasnt expecting much, i have a more complicated problem i guess, guess the wizkids will be on after work
05:56<bluevapour>thanks guys xD
05:56<ILoveDebian>It sent but not when I set "from"
05:57<ILoveDebian>it would set from to root@localhost when I sent without setting from"
05:57<ILoveDebian>and if I set from to it would fail
05:59<Skrat>ILoveDebian; set it from "webmaster@localhost" or something
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05:59<ILoveDebian>so uninstall postfix now... right?
05:59<Skrat>Slow down
05:59<Skrat>What's wrong. Explain your problem
05:59<ILoveDebian>I installed sendmail, which worked with php automaticaly, but when it would send email, it would say "root@localhost" if I set it to "" it would fail.
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06:00<ILoveDebian>Then I uninstalled sendmail and installed postfix, but it does not send at all
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06:00<Skrat>ILoveDebian; why couldn't you have experimented with other domains instead?
06:00<ILoveDebian>Warning: fsockopen() [function.fsockopen]: unable to connect to localhost:25 <- error on php page
06:00<Skrat>Instead of jumping to an uninstallation?
06:00<Skrat>/etc/init.d/postfix start
06:01<zarchne>Which is where I was at when I said the other end will generally enforce valid domains.
06:01<ILoveDebian>postfix: fatal: file /etc/postfix/ parameter myhostname: bad parameter value: 55340
06:01<ILoveDebian> failed!
06:01<Skrat>But he could sent mail from localhost. :|
06:01<Skrat>ILoveDebian; you have to edit the config, ... *duh*
06:02<Skrat>su -c "nano /etc/postfix/"
06:02<ILoveDebian>I did when it presented config screen...
06:02<Skrat>Not the main config you didn't, it seems
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06:04<ILoveDebian>hm... now the php page runs forewer...
06:05<fooberry>Skrat, mount: unknown filesystem type 'gzip'
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06:05<Skrat>fooberry; it might be gzip2
06:05<Skrat>Or Gzip
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06:06<zarchne>fooberry: looks like you need "cloop".
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06:07<ILoveDebian>Now I got The following From address failed: root@localhost
06:07<ILoveDebian>i'll try setting from and resend
06:08<Skrat>Postfix is a bitch to configure, i found
06:08<Skrat>IT didn't work for me
06:08<ILoveDebian>The following From address failed:
06:08<ILoveDebian>I dont know what to do
06:09<Skrat>apt-get remove postfix && apt-get install sendmail
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06:10<Skrat>Set the path in php.ini back to /usr/sbin/sendmail -t-i or whatever it was
06:10<Skrat>And try again.
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06:11<ILoveDebian>ok it sends now. But under name root@localhost
06:11<ILoveDebian>If I set it to "" it fails
06:11<ILoveDebian>how can I deal with this?
06:11<Skrat> paste your sendmail config
06:12<nevyn>Skrat: compared to SENDMAIL?
06:13<ILoveDebian>where is it located?
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06:13<Skrat>Oh, you can configure sendmail? -- nevyn
06:13<Skrat>ILoveDebian; no clue
06:13<Skrat>locate sendmail.conf
06:13<zarchne>He hasn't configured it...
06:13<Skrat>Or something along those lines
06:13<zarchne>it's in /etc/mail/
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06:13<Skrat>ILoveDebian; copy the innards of that, and paste it on rafb
06:13<zarchne>after which modifying you type "sendmailconfig"
06:14<zarchne>But pasting it at this point is pointless.
06:14<ILoveDebian>I found file named "local-host-names" in etc/mail
06:14<ILoveDebian>I will add my domain and see if it works
06:14<Skrat>Easier to go through - zarchne
06:14<ILoveDebian>how do i restart sendmail?
06:14<Skrat>Instead of going, "see the line where it says..."
06:15<zarchne>/etc/init.d/sendmail reload
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06:16<zarchne>Skrat: that would be true, but $d or $w or $j orwhatever isn't set in there by default anyway.
06:18<ILoveDebian>that didn work
06:18<ILoveDebian>here's the sendmail.conf
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06:18<ILoveDebian>there's also dont know which one is used
06:19<zarchne>ILoveDebian: is the important one, really.
06:19<nevyn> is use but sendmail.conf makes it.
06:19*nevyn covers ears and goes LALALALALA I don't want to know about sendmail LALALALALA
06:19*themill wonders why anyone is persisting with sendmail
06:19<zarchne>sendmail.conf is meta-config. should be considered a "binary"
06:19<nevyn>themill: 20:08 < Skrat> Postfix is a bitch to configure, i found
06:20<ILoveDebian>so which one should I paste?
06:20<tzafrir>it's someone who has not tried sendmail, I guess :-)
06:20*Skrat gives up and backs away.
06:20<ILoveDebian>I'm trying to alow in from addess
06:20<hypnotic>hi there, i was wondering if it is possible to make a custom debian installer, so you have a cd with debian with predefined selected software, different standard kde settings etc
06:20*Skrat sits in a corner
06:20<themill>Isn't all that's required here a smart relay?
06:20<nevyn>themill: and a outgoing mail rewrite.
06:21<zarchne>ILoveDebian: is the important one, but if themill is willing to help you config something else, I suggest that.
06:21<tzafrir>hypnotic, for starters look up "preseed" . There's a handy appendix about it in the install manual
06:21<ILoveDebian>here's the mc file:
06:21<themill>I'm willing to do a lot of things to reduce the number of sendmail installations in the world... but not today. All yours, zarchne.
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06:22<themill>(exim should be able to do the outgoing address masq easily enough too)
06:22<hypnotic>tzafrir: cool, got the wiki now, hope its something like nlite for windows but then better ;)
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06:22<ILoveDebian>And all I want to achieve is send mail with "" from address....
06:23<zarchne>ILoveDebian: for themill's sanity, we could take this to #sendmail on freenode.
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06:24<themill>zarchne: Feel free to stay here unless you think that other sendmail people can help. I'll just occasionally PAL.
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06:24<zarchne>Yeah, I'm in about 20 channels on 5 servers.
06:24<ILoveDebian>lost con
06:24<hypnotic>tzafrir: would love to make my own debian spinoff with some wizards and preselected software and directly prevent some problems explained in this article:
06:25<zarchne>ILoveDebian: to make "local-host-names" file take effect, you need to add FEATURE(`use_cw_file')dnl somewhere, say line 95.
06:26<ILoveDebian>in which file?
06:27<zarchne> of course.
06:27<fooberry>there is cloop, which is perhaps what I was thinking of ...
06:27<ILoveDebian>after or before dnl #?
06:28<zarchne>fooberry: Yeah, I suggested it was possible, not trivial.
06:28<zarchne>ILoveDebian: It should look similar to, say, line 54.
06:29<hypnotic>tzafrir: thanx, gonna look into it, but first party@queensnight today and tomorrow
06:29<ILoveDebian>ok, added that, reloaded sendmail, still failed
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06:29<zarchne>ILoveDebian: did you type "sendmailconfig"?
06:29<ILoveDebian>type where?
06:29<ILoveDebian>no I did not
06:29<ILoveDebian>I didnt know I should
06:30<SammyTheSnake>does anyone know of a tool similar to "screen" that allows me to disconnect from an X program and pick it up again from a new remote connection?
06:30<zarchne>you need to do that.
06:30<zarchne>ILoveDebian: it will offer to reload sendmail for you.
06:30<SammyTheSnake>I'm aware of VNC, but it's *unbearably* slow on the connections I have availalb
06:30<ILoveDebian>ok did that and reloaded.. lets see
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06:31<Skrat>Is it possible to use dd to copy a legit DVD?
06:31<zarchne>SammyTheSnake: incidentally, are we talking dialup, or what?
06:31<ILoveDebian>same error: The following From address failed:
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06:31<themill>SammyTheSnake: vnc is the only way of doing that that I know of. There was an x11evict or guievict project a while ago that tried to move a window between displays but I'm not sure where that went.
06:31<SammyTheSnake>zarchne: DSL, but the wrong way around (20k/s upload doesn't give much)
06:32<Skrat>zarchne; Legitimate
06:32<themill>SammyTheSnake: BTW cutting out desktop wallpapers is a bit speed boost to vnc.
06:32<Skrat>Copywritten, etc
06:33<zarchne>Skrat: not really, no, but did you try dvdbackup?
06:33<SammyTheSnake>themill: I really want to be able to do it on a per-application basis, I can run X apps over ssh etc, but when the connection drops, it kills the app...
06:33*Skrat looks into it
06:33<Skrat>zarchne; why cant it?
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06:34<zarchne>Skrat: I think some of the info isn't in data blocks per se, but has to be requested via ioctls?
06:34<zarchne>ILoveDebian: what does "hostname" say?
06:34<themill>SammyTheSnake: indeed. guievict would be perfect (evict it into a virtual X server, to park it, evict it into a vnc session to look at it for a while). I believe the xorg people are working on this sort of thing, but it's some way off.
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06:34<SammyTheSnake>themill: well, I'll have a look at guievict, it may be my friend :)
06:34<ILoveDebian>zarchne, command not found
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06:35<zarchne>ILoveDebian: did you spell it right? you don't have "/bin/hostname"?
06:36<ILoveDebian>sorry, I misspelled. it says 55340
06:36<themill>SammyTheSnake: Since guievict was last modified for XF86 4.2, it probably won't even compile under xorg... :(
06:36<SammyTheSnake>themill: shame
06:36<ILoveDebian>zarchne, sorry, I misspelled. it says 55340
06:37<zarchne>ILoveDebian: okay, so "hostname -f" gives like ""?
06:37<ILoveDebian>no same number 55340
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06:38<zarchne>ILoveDebian: try putting just "55340" as a line in local-host-names and using it as your from domain?
06:39<ILoveDebian>it was already there when I opened it. It will probably work
06:39<ILoveDebian>but I wont be able to use
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06:40<zarchne>ILoveDebian: you probably want to correct /etc/hosts
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06:41<ILoveDebian>zarchne, ok added my domain. what do I need to restart?
06:42<zarchne>To /etc/hosts?
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06:42<ILoveDebian>yes added my domain to /etc/hosts after 2 spaces
06:42<ILoveDebian>do i need to restart sendmail?
06:43<zarchne>Oh, I don't remember. at most reload it.
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06:57<knifemonk>how's ever1 today
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06:59<ILoveDebian>Not sure about everyone, I'm going crazy
06:59<ILoveDebian>knifemonk, do you know sendmail configuration?
07:00<knifemonk>sendmail? is that an application? i know plenty about email setup in general...
07:02<fooberry>Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version
07:02<fooberry>2.6.24-1-686 on running kernel 2.6.18-5-486 in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird
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07:23<fooberry>what replaces bnx2 on 2.6.24 ?
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07:27<gsimmons>fooberry: See bug #469349 in the BTS.
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07:43<Kebianizao|work>How should I refresh the first quilt patch when it's not possible to be applied?
07:43<Kebianizao|work>I mean quilt push fails and quilt top shows no top patch, so I can't use quilt add
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07:45<Kebianizao|work>IOW, how could I make the first patch in a series to be on top?
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07:49<DreamLnr>i need help regarding iptables
07:49<kinneh>iptable -L -n
07:50<DreamLnr>already tried that:)
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07:50<DreamLnr>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p TCP -s -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
07:50<DreamLnr>if the forward policy is drop
07:50<DreamLnr>and this is the only line about forwarding
07:51<DreamLnr>is it enough for my lan to access internet?
07:51<DreamLnr>or do i need to add some stuff with FORWARD?
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07:53<Kebianizao|work>DreamLnr: did you enabled ip_forwarding?
07:54<Kebianizao|work>does it works? :D
07:54<DreamLnr>when i kill the drop polisy, everything goes ok
07:54<DreamLnr>i mean the drop policy on forward chain
07:55<Kebianizao|work>I don't know much about iptables, but looks like if you drop everything that should be forwarded you'll have little success
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07:55<Kebianizao|work>so postrouting won't receive anything
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07:57<shze>i got xorg crashes and a backtrace in the log, can anybody tell how to find the reason and fix it?
07:57<DreamLnr>so if i set something on prerouting chain
07:57<Kebianizao|work>shze: maybe, please post the log
07:58<DreamLnr>all three chains-input, fwd, output- will be aware of it?
07:58<Kebianizao|work>DreamLnr: what do you want to do?
07:58<DreamLnr>i want my lan with dhcp to access internet
07:59<DreamLnr>and i want my www server to be the only resource accessible from outside
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07:59<Kebianizao|work>DreamLnr: install a dchp server on your host (the router) and do ipforwarding
07:59<DreamLnr>www server is not the same as router
07:59<DreamLnr>i already have dhcp
07:59<Kebianizao|work>DreamLnr: add a rule to let www requests in
08:00<DreamLnr>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING --dst dddd -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination
08:00<DreamLnr>like this?
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08:16<crem0r>hey guys. is it possible to configure exim4 to only to send mails from the local machine.
08:17<neekofab>crem0r send only.. not receive?
08:17<crem0r>send only from localhost, receive from everywhere.
08:17<crem0r>for security reasons.
08:17<crem0r>dont want a open relay
08:18<neekofab>crem0r an open relay is not defined as listening on all interfaces
08:20<neekofab>crem0r but you want to run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
08:20<crem0r>neekofab: ok, thats true. but I dont want some extra stuff like ssl, sasl, pop or something to secure exim. it simply should accept mails send from localhost
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08:21<neekofab>crem0r sounds like you want "mail sent by smarthost; no local mail"
08:23<crem0r>>>In this scenario your outgoing mail is forwarded to another machine, called a “smarthost”, which takes care of sending the message on to its destination.
08:24<crem0r>neekofab: does not sound like the right one for me
08:26<neekofab>crem0r host.domain will send mail to real domains but not recieve mail from network?
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08:28<neekofab>crem0r if so "internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP" but leave listen interface for incoming smtp to
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08:29<neekofab>crem0r but in this configuration if your mail goes out to the internet many email-servers will consider it spam
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08:30<crem0r>my server is a real sever with a static ip and domain
08:30<crem0r>not my lokal machine
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09:03<lupine>hej. I'm trying to get a RadeonHD 3650 working with Debian. The (17"TFT) monitor is attached via a DVI<->VGA adaptor, and keeps telling me "input not supported" when I start X
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09:03<Gekz>what does xrandr say
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09:04<Gekz>plus, i doubt the adapter has anything to do with it, as I use one, and used it on two cars
09:04<shze>isnt input something like mouse or keyb?
09:04<lupine>"Can't open display"
09:04<Gekz>maybe you have a broken xorg.conf
09:04<Gekz>regenerate it
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09:04<lupine>the monitor's input is the output of the video card
09:04<lupine>I've tried a fresh xorg.conf generated from dpkg-reconfigure, and that doesn't help (fglrx driver installed from lenny)
09:05<Gekz>have you tried the default ati driver?
09:05<lupine>that doesn't support r600 cards
09:05<Gekz>sounds unfun
09:05<lupine>I'd try radeonhd but that requires xorg-from-sid
09:06<Gekz>yes, and radeonhd is not stable
09:06<Gekz>or usabe
09:06<Gekz>has no 2d or 3d acceleration
09:06<lupine>well, I'd be happy with just getting X up for the nonce
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09:07<neekofab>lupine vesa work?
09:07<Gekz>neekofab: xrandr returns nothing
09:07<Gekz>I cant remember if it works from console or not
09:08<lupine>Gekz: X isn't up
09:08<neekofab>lupine I've not seen many cards where vesa doesn't work but I must admit I try to stay away from the ati & linux
09:08<lupine>I'll try vesa in a secondf
09:09<lupine>I bought it on purpose :D
09:09<lupine>it's my first non-nVidia card since the S3 SavageMX
09:09<Gekz>I think you might have a faulty adapter actually
09:09<Gekz>do you have a monitor that you can test to see if the adapter is infact faulty?
09:09<lupine>seems unlikely, given that I'm using the monitor through the adaptor right now
09:09<themill>lupine: are you sure the DVI-VGA adaptor works? I've come across video card/monitor combinations for which that didn't work.
09:10<lupine>I'm using it at the moment
09:10<themill>lupine: duh. of course.
09:10<lupine>I have no native DVI or HDMI monitors
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09:12<zepherin>how do I point to a different hard drive mount than my system files? have a file point to my D:
09:12<weasel>there are no drive letters.
09:13<zepherin>I understand that's why I'm asking
09:13<weasel>what you do is your mount disks somewhere in your tree. like in /media/foobar or /mnt/blubb
09:13<lupine>Ah. vesa appears to be working
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09:13<neekofab>zepherin fdisk -l
09:13<neekofab>zepherin mount _partition from fdisk -l command_ /mnt/foo
09:14<lupine>for a given value of working. A lot of the colours are squiffty
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09:14<shze>how do i switch wireless radio on? ipw2915 on stable
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09:15<neekofab>lupine according to gekz's comment on radeonhd vesa would give you just as much functionality heh
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09:16<lupine>seeming success
09:16<neekofab>shze you'll need firmware & modules
09:16<lupine>(with fglrx)
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09:17<shze>firmware is in place and loaded
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09:17<neekofab>lupine fglrx still either 2d accel or 3d accel not both?
09:17<shze>which modules do i need besides the ipw2200?
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09:17<dpkg>The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>
09:18<neekofab>shze iwconfig lists your car?
09:18<neekofab>shze card?
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09:18<shze>neekofab: yes
09:18<lupine_85>I don't know
09:18<neekofab>shze iwlist scan ?
09:19<shze>no scan results
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09:19<lupine_85>isn't it 'rfkill' or something?
09:19<neekofab>shze I don't think any of the iwxxxx moduls support switching on or off. if you have a physical switch on the lap, kick it on.
09:20<shze>found something in dmesg
09:20<shze>Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work
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09:20<dpkg>ipw3945, iwl3945 and iwl4695 will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work.
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09:20<shze>i have an ipw2915!?
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09:21<shze>and modprobe rfkill gives me module not found
09:21<k-man_>for some reason i can't find where to enable the bt878 module in make menuconfig (in 2.6.25)
09:21<k-man_>it didn't get built when i built my kernel
09:21<k-man_>and i can't seem to locate the entry to enable it
09:21<neekofab>shze I made the switch to iwlwifi, but this takes a bit more legwork depending on your comfort level
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09:22<themill>neekofab: does iwlwifi support that card?
09:22<shze>can iwlwifi work with my card?
09:23<neekofab>shze lemmie look .I thought they covered the whole series
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09:24<themill>(I don't think so)
09:24<neekofab>shze nope sorry. 39xx&49xx.
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09:26<themill>shze: the kill switch is a physical switch somewhere. It might be a little slider switch or it might be a keystroke like Fn+F2.
09:26<shze>themill: but where? this is a desktop pc..
09:27<themill>shze: heh? I didn't think you could get ipw chips in desktops...
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09:27<neekofab>shze minipci to pci adapter or something?
09:27*knifemonk brb d-u
09:27<shze>yes, exactly
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09:29<Kebianizao|work>shze: your Xorg looks like a bug in the vesa driver, why do you use vesa and not s3?
09:29<shze>Kebianizao|work: i tried the savage driver before, but i get a similar/same result
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09:31<Kebianizao|work>shze: do you have the xorg log for that? and also could you paste both configurations(current and s3)?
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09:32<neekofab>shze I wonder if the ipw2 driver would work for the minipci-pci adapter. pastebin your insmod/modprobe
09:32<shze>Kebianizao|work: log with the savage driver
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09:33<shze>neekofab: the modprobes from /etc?
09:33<Kebianizao|work>shze: I got a lost connection, but did you make sure that your hardware rf kill switch is turned on, maybe a buton, key combination or bios setting?
09:34<shze>Kebianizao|work: didnt found any hardware switches or keys, nor bios settings
09:34<Kebianizao|work>shze: what laptop?
09:35<shze>Kebianizao|work: its just ipw2915 in minipci-to-pci adaptor in a plain desktop
09:35<Kebianizao|work>line 863 in you 2nd log makes me think about a misinstallation
09:35<themill>Kebianizao|work: to be accurate, the kill switch needs to be "off" for it to work not on. When "on", it "kills" the radio.
09:35<shze>Kebianizao|work: but the wireless thing is a different pc than the xorg stuff
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09:36<shze>Kebianizao|work: the xorg problems are with a thinkpad t23
09:36<neekofab>shze modprobe -r ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200 then pastebin the pertinate bits from dmesg
09:36<Kebianizao|work>themill: sure, and so the driver would inform you about it when kill switch is on
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09:37<themill>Kebianizao|work: which it does. (You just said: "make sure that your hardware rf kill switch is turned on" .. you probably meant "off")
09:39<Kebianizao|work>themill: ahh, I understand now. Sorry, you are right. I meant kill switch is turned off :)
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09:39<neekofab>shze on that t23 you could try using ext. vga instead of the panel w/ the savage driver to test if it's a detection prob w/ the panel
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09:39<themill>Kebianizao|work: :) The "kill switch" on vs off thing is often a problem.
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09:40<Kebianizao|work>shze: Xorg issue: it's possible that you have some kernel module you shouldn't have. Could I have an lsmod and xorg configuration file for savage? I'd try to make savage driver working
09:40<Kebianizao|work>themill: I guess :)
09:41<Kebianizao|work>neekofab: could be but what makes you think that?
09:41<shze>neekofab: modprobe log with the ipw2200:
09:41<melounovejFous>got problem with apache, says "[notice] child pid 28227 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)" while running, anyone saw this problem?
09:41<shze>Kebianizao|work: i'll try to switch back to savage
09:42<fantonio_br>Hi list
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09:45<Kebianizao|work>shze: could you install the libgl1-mesa-dri package and try again?
09:45<neekofab>shze cat /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ip2200/foo/rf_kill
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09:48<shze>neekofab: cat /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ip2200/foo/rf_kill returns 2
09:48<shze>Kebianizao|work: libgl1-mesa-dri installed and switched, need to restart
09:48<neekofab>shze try "echo 0 > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ipw2200/foo/rf_kill"
09:49<Kebianizao|work>neekofab: foo?
09:49<Kebianizao|work>I guess you mean s/foo/eth1 or s/foo/wlan0
09:50<shze>neekofab: stays at 2, it seems to add the echoed value: echo 1 results in 3, echo -1 gives me 2 again
09:50<neekofab>Kebianizao foo=pci id#
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09:51<neekofab>shze 0 is radio on, 1 is software based kill active, 2 is hardware and software kill active. you may need to make sure there are no dip switches to set
09:51<neekofab>shze on the adapter/mini-pci
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09:52<neekofab>shze sorry 3 is hardware&software kill, 2 is hardware kill
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09:53<shze>neekofab: ok, this will take some time
09:53<shze>thx for helping me with that
09:53<neekofab>shze np
09:54<Kebianizao|work>best reward is having that solved for you ;)
09:54<efaistos>is there a page for the ITP ?
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09:55<themill>Kebianizao|work: foo will have been the PCI device ID. 0000:0b:00.0 or similar.
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09:55<shze>Kebianizao|work: xorg seems to work with libgl1-mesa-dri and savage driver, no crashes so far
09:55<shze>hope it stays that way :)
09:56<efaistos>themill: i know this page but cant find a page with just the ITP
09:56<shze>themill: actually it was 0000:02:08.0
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09:56<Kebianizao|work>shze: if that worked, it's possible that you need to report a bug about savage driver package not depending on libgl1-mesa-dri package
09:56<themill>shze: yeah... (that's just by 3945 pciid... no idea what the one for the 2200 is :)
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10:00<shze>Kebianizao|work: is kde using this package? cause i had the crashes when just using konq..
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10:01<Kebianizao|work>shze: that package is a generic one for gl and dri support, 3d related but provides important stuff if you enable dri which is your case.
10:01<Kebianizao|work>shze: maybe konqueror is using any of the gl/mesa/dri fetures and hence the crash
10:02<shze>Kebianizao|work: ohh, ok, i'll write it later tonight, i have to leave soon
10:02<shze>thx a lot
10:03<Kebianizao|work>shze: you could also mention the issue on #debian-x
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10:04<shze>Kebianizao|work: ok, i'll go there
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10:06<PaoloG>hi, someone know if there is a patch planned in the soon future to fix the bug in the sky2 driver on 2.6.18-6?
10:07<Kebianizao|work>shze: I could mention it myself if you want
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10:07<Kebianizao|work>PaoloG: is the bug reported?
10:08<shze>Kebianizao|work: sure, if you want just go ahead
10:08<PaoloG>yes it is
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10:09<Kebianizao|work>PaoloG: bug #?
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10:13<PaoloG>Kebianizao|work it's fix in the version 2.6.22-1 but how can i update it using apt?
10:13<Kebianizao|work>PaoloG: as I look the bug report it doesn't look like it is going to be solved, you could either backport the fix or wait for etch and a half
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10:14<Kebianizao|work>PaoloG: you can add lenny repo or look this:
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10:15<crem0r>how can I send a message to the current terminal within a script?
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10:16<PaoloG>Kebianizao|work: ok, thank a lot for your help
10:18<Kebianizao|work>PaoloG: yw :)
10:18<Kebianizao|work>crem0r: echo?
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10:19<crem0r>Kebianizao|work: Im using screen on my remote server and want to be notified via procmail when a new mail arrives
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10:21<crem0r>Kebianizao|work: got it. biff or comsat
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11:01<clahur>AYUDA PORFAS
11:01<clahur>ALGUN CHILENO
11:01<clahur>O CHILENA
11:02<cahoot>a caps only culture?
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11:02<_santiago_>clahur, pregunta en #debian-es
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11:46<Kebianizao|work>I want to use sed to filter some parts of a file. I do this: sed -e 's/^.*\"\(msp430x.*\)\"$/\1/' < ld/emulparams/ |less
11:46<Kebianizao|work>and I have the same input file, any idea what could be wrong?
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11:47<petemc>Kebianizao|work: not using sed -i
11:48<petemc>or how do you suppose your changes are taking effect?
11:48<Kebianizao|work>petemc: you mean sed -e?
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11:51<Kebianizao|work>petemc: then I think I don't understand you where am I using sed -i
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11:57<rockstar>Can I force an ext3 filesystem to rebuilt its journal?
11:58<rockstar>I apparently can't mount this drive because the journal is corrupted.
11:58<cahoot>mount as ext2?
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11:58<rockstar>cahoot, tried, same error
11:59<Kebianizao|work>rockstar: fsck.ext3?
11:59<rockstar>Kebianizao|work, tried that too. I get short read errors.
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12:24<Kebianizao|work>petemc: what I wanted is: sed -n -e 's/^.*\"\(msp430x.*\)\".*$/\1/ p' < ld/emulparams/ |less
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12:26<zarchne>-e is redundant, though.
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12:27<Kebianizao|work>zakame: umm, I see
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12:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:53<PatM2>Anyone know how to make a busybox installation stop using the busybox "grep
12:53<PatM2>and use a binary version installed in /bin?
12:54<zarchne>what does /bin/grep do?
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12:55<kop>I've a new-ish laptop and etch is not detecting the nic. Is there an installer for etchnhalf or some newer installer I can use to bootstrap etch?
12:55<PatM2>the /bin/grep is the real grep from the grep package.
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12:57<PatM2>If I type /bin/grep --help shows the real grep help output but grep --help still shows busybox's grep help
12:57<zarchne>PatM2: so /bin/grep works but you want it ahead of the builtin grep in your $PATH.
12:58<kop>PatM2 : You might have to rtfm busybox.
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12:58<PatM2>Yeah, except there is no grep symlink to busybox at all.
12:58<PatM2>Which is what is confusing me.
12:59<zarchne>PatM2: did you just try setting $PATH?
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13:00<PatM2>You're thinking busybox itself is in the path ahead of /bin and its intercepting the grep?
13:00<zarchne>If you're in busybox, and you type "which grep" and "echo $PATH" what do you get?
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13:01<PatM2>which grep shows /bin/grep
13:01<themill>kop: the etchnhalf installer is the lenny b1 installer. There's also the kmuto installer /msg dpkg kmuto
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13:02<PatM2>path is /usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin
13:02*zarchne nods.
13:03<PatM2>busybox is in /bin as well. Lemme move grep to /usr/sbin and see what happens
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13:04<themill>PatM2: didn't you say that grep wasn't a symlink to grep anyway?
13:04<PatM2>Thats right, I deleted the symlink
13:04<themill>So changing the path isn't going to help.
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13:04<PatM2>Nope, it didn't help 8(
13:05<themill>PatM2: what are you actually trying to do... you want everything from busybox except grep?
13:05<PatM2>Yeah, installation scripts use fgrep -x and busybox's fgrep takes no options.
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13:06<themill>PatM2: I didn't think busybox provided an fgrep at all
13:06<PatM2>It did, just takes no options.
13:07*themill swears at the man page
13:07<zarchne>yeah, if you don't like busybox's fgrep, don't compile it in.
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13:08<PatM2>I didn't compile it, its from emdebian.
13:08<PatM2>Trying to avoid compiling my own heh.
13:09<zarchne>that was more in agreement with themill.
13:09<themill>PatM2: the fgrep seems really just to be grep. And it takes the same options as busybox's grep. (which also doesn't like -x)
13:10<PatM2>Odd that it calls busybox with no link to it.
13:10<zarchne>(not that that helps you much...)
13:10<themill>PatM2: you're running it through busybox, so busybox is making the decision about what to call.
13:11<zarchne>evidently the busybox sh does it that way.
13:11<themill>PatM2: It's like an alias in your shell... that overrides PATH and everything else.
13:11<PatM2>Yeah, thats what I'm thinking too
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13:11<PatM2>Guess I'll have to compile my own
13:11<zarchne>Can you install a separate ash?
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13:12<zarchne>And then make the links?
13:12<themill>PatM2: can you just run the install scripts through dash/posh/sh etc?
13:12<PatM2>Its on an embedded system so I don't have a whole lot of room.
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13:12<themill>yeah... hence wanting busybox ;)
13:13<PatM2>but sh is just ash with busybox, no?
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13:13<zarchne>you can get a standalone ash. or dash or posh, make that /bin/sh instead of busybox.
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13:14<kop>themill : Thanks. Is there somewhere I can rtfm to figure out how to use the lenny b1 installer to install etchnhalf? I've poked about the wiki and no joy.
13:15<kop>PatM2 : You could always rebuild busybox without grep.
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13:15<zarchne>kop: yes, that's what he's trying to avoid.
13:15<themill>kop: there should be... actually, I'm surprised there's not a preview of it kicking around already. There should be a bootprompt argument to ask for etch rather than lenny as the installer.... but I don't know what it is off the top of my head :(
13:15<PatM2>kop: I was trying to avoid that, just downloaded the source though since there seems no other option
13:15<kop>zarchne : Sorry, I'm not paying a lot of attention here.
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13:16<dsl>any experts on teen puppy reguarding setting up a wireless connection??
13:16<PatM2>I never have much luck compiling things for my arm box.
13:16<kop>themill: I'll try poking it with a stick.
13:16<PatM2>Sticks +1!
13:17<PatM2>Buildroot has a grudge against me I think.
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13:17<PatM2>Ok, need a coffee before I start wresting with busybox
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13:22<PatM2>Ok cool, Busybox has menuconfig. That makes things MUCH easier
13:23<themill>etchnhalf is also Installer images at etchnhalf is also Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
13:23<themill>!etchnhalf is also Installer images at etchnhalf is also Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
13:23<dpkg>okay, themill
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13:25<dsl>anyone know where there is a good channel for info on teen puppy??
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13:25<Pryon>A juvenile canine?
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13:26<fxiny>a skinny one ? :P
13:27<zarchne>Yellow dog grandchild?
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13:30<PatM2>I just stumbled across something. Busybox has a "command" command that apparently lets you override the builtin shell commands
13:30<PatM2>Just googling to see how to use it.
13:32<kop>themill: Thanks very much but that won't work. I need to pxe boot and do a net install.
13:32<themill>kop: ahh...
13:32<dsl>can any of you intelligent people direct me to a site and channel for info reguarding setting up teen puppy wireless??
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13:33<kop>themill : I've found the lenny b2 installer netboot.tar.gz file, but need to figure out how to use the "etch-support package" to get it to install etch. ( I'm thinking of asking on #debian-boot.
13:34<kop>dsl: What is "teen puppy"?
13:34<themill>kop: if you do, let us know what the answer is.... I thought there was a release=etch or something for the bootprompt....
13:34<kop>themill : I think I'll just fire up the installer and see....
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13:35<themill>kop: pity google doesn't index punctuation to make it easier to find
13:36<dsl>teen puppy is a distro that is a bigger version of puppy the smaller distro.
13:36<kop>dsl: Ah. That'd be offtopic here. I suggest you find their website and see if it does not list an irc channel or whatnot.
13:37<dsl>ok, thanx!
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13:37<kop>themill : I'll let you know.
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13:42<fxiny>oh f* : bleeding edge (snort) seems dead
13:42<prettyricky>does anyone know how to get frostwire to start, I installed it but it wont start....8.04
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13:46<PatM2>Ahha! Alias fgrep='/bin/fgrep'
13:46<PatM2>Sometimes I'm amazed I can even walk without help.
13:47<PatM2>hmmm, doesn't work from a shell script though 8(
13:48<PatM2>gedit inittab
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13:51<fxiny>found a 19 april google cached page : very sad
13:51<fxiny>PatM2: have you checked some old busybox version ? maybe trinux ?
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13:54<kop>Crud. The lenny b1 installer does not seem to detect my nic either. :-(
13:55<themill>kop: really... do you have some really strange hardware?
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13:56<kop>themill : Yes. This is a Dell Latitude XT tablet. Maybe I need an installer with a super-new kernel? (Don't ask about the hardware. If you can belive it, I'm going to use this puppy as a dumb crt.)
13:56<themill>kop: 2.6.24 isn't exactly old
13:57<kop>themill: It's going to run. Oooh, wait for it... minicom!
13:57<kop>themill : Yah.
13:58<kop>themill : Apparently the installer I'm running is 2.6.22-3-486? Have I somehow booted the wrong installer?
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13:58<themill>kop: ahh.... of course. lenny's b1 installer is 2.6.22; b2 will be/is 2.6.24.
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14:03<unknown`>hello ,anyone alive?
14:03<kop>unknown` : Let me check....
14:03<unknown`>i wanna ask something about debian
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14:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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14:04<Geldo_Debian>ave some Brazilian here?
14:05<Geldo_Debian>have some Brazilian here?
14:05<unknown`>i am new with linux and someone told me that the debian is the best , i download the 2 cd`s,but the first one dont wanna boot i have amd64 proccesor
14:05<unknown`>on intel works fine , but on amd64 dont want to boot
14:06<unknown`>then i download the netinstaller , or like i saw its only kernel installer,and the wquestion is how to get full OS , or how to install it from that CD which dont wanna boot
14:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:08<kop>unknown` : If you've a net connection best way is to install fromthe netinstaller. It downloads everything from the net so you don't need to burn cds.
14:08<Geldo_Debian>good, Thank dpkg for instructions...rsrsrsrs
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14:09<unknown`>i have net connection but when i choose mirrors on every mirror i choose ,i get error msg
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14:09<kop>unknown` : You may want to read the installation manuall at
14:09<kop>unknown` : Tell us the error. Someone should help. I gotta go.
14:09<unknown`>i read it but i told u im new ...
14:10<unknown`>kop can u tell command to run net install , when i login to commandline?
14:10<zarchne>Isn't that too late?
14:11<unknown`>i dont know
14:11<unknown`>coz now i can login just to commandline
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14:12<mentor>unknown`: What are you trying to do?
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14:12<unknown`>to get full OS debian
14:13<kop>unknown` : I'm doing an install now, and will be back and forth on the channel. You got past the point where the network was configured and everything was good?
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14:14<unknown`>i guess its ok , only on mirrors ,it had errors and i skip that :)
14:14<mentor>unknown`: Er, well, the Full Debian package set comes on 13-14 CDs
14:14<mentor>unknown`: You probably don't want that.
14:14<unknown`>21 cds
14:15<unknown`>or 3 dvd`s
14:15<PatM2>Woot! I actually manage to compile busybox and now my fgrep problem is solved.
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14:15<mentor>Oooh, it's gone up
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14:15<mentor>unknown`: What kind of installation did you try?
14:16<unknown`>first i try with the first cd which is bootable , but dont wanna bot on my pc
14:16<unknown`>then i try the same cd on intel procoser and boots there
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14:17<unknown`>and i downloaded netinstall and install it from that
14:17<mentor>So, that worked apart from the bit where it tried to install from the network?
14:17<unknown`>but i skiped the mirrors coz i get errors on every mirror i choose
14:18<mentor>Did it detect your network?
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14:18<unknown`>DHCP not
14:18<unknown`>if u think on that
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14:20<mentor>So, it didn't get a network connection?
14:21<unknown`>no i didnt get
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14:22<kop>unknown` : Before dhcp failed did it successfully detect your network hardware or did it give you a list to choose from?
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14:22<mentor>unknown`: What kind of network connection are you using?
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14:24<mentor>I mean, on your PC
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14:24<kop>themill: It appears that the debian installer boot argument to install etch is "anna/module=etch-support".
14:24<mentor>Is it a wired network connection to your router, wireless? Directly connected to your adsl modem?
14:25<themill>kop: right..... I would have guessed that....
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14:25<themill>kop: does it work?
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14:25<unknown`>its without ruter
14:25<unknown`>directly connected to my lan card
14:25<kop>themill: I'll see how it goes. So far I'm using the daily build of the installer it works ever so much better with this hardware. It does not pause for 60 seconds in the middle of boot and it detects the nic. Yay!
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14:26<unknown`>but the signal is wireless with motorola canopy
14:26<themill>kop: that's a good start
14:26<unknown`>or PPPoE
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14:28<unknown`>ok thanks
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14:32<BloodSkin>what are some fun things i can do with a freshly set up debian lamp server?
14:33<azeem>use it
14:33<azeem>for lamp stuff
14:33<cahoot>lighten things up?
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14:40<tanjix>hi folks!
14:40<tanjix> anyone can help me on setting up an etc amd64 on a supermicro server with a lsi 1068 sas controller?
14:40<tanjix>setup does not recognize the harddrives ;(
14:40<tanjix>and also the network adapters are not being recognized :(
14:42<dpkg>etchnahalf is probably for test images, see
14:42<azeem>tanjix: ^^ maybe try those
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14:43<kop>BloodSkin : Install gnu mailman and setup your own mailing list?
14:44<dpkg>somebody said etchnhalf was "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: Installer images at etchnhalf is also Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
14:44<kop>I just added text to the wiki page for how to do a fresh etchnhalf install.
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14:47<themill>dpkg: no, etchnahalf is <reply> see etchnhalf
14:47<dpkg>themill: okay
14:47<themill>kop: thanks for the wiki addition
14:47<azeem>themill: also s/etchnhalf/etchnahalf/g
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14:49<themill>azeem: the stable release managers are using "etchnhalf" so that's what I stuck in the factoid. (the kernel versions are -etchnhalf.1 for example)
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14:49<themill>azeem: It seems that noone can agree what etch+1/2 should be called :)
14:50<azeem>themill: oh, hrm
14:50<azeem>nm then
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14:50<themill>azeem: As long as the people can find the factoid by both names, it's OK
14:50<tanjix>azeem: i will try thax
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14:57<tanjix>azeem: the etchandahalf does not recognize both, too
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14:58<azeem>tanjix: then it's unlikely they're supported by Linux
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14:58<azeem>tanjix: or hrm
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15:01<tanjix>azeem: sorry?
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15:01<Villarroel>What is the package to set a background to the ttys?
15:01<azeem>tanjix: nah, they should be fine
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15:04<bcochofel>Hi, how can I retrive attrs for a user using posix or pam cmds?
15:04<bcochofel>I need the email, first and last name, aliases
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15:04<tanjix>azeem: i'm sorry, i still don't get you :(
15:05<azeem>tanjix: 20:55 < azeem> tanjix: then it's unlikely they're supported by Linux
15:05<tanjix>azeem: you mean this hardware is not supported by linux?
15:06<bastian>hi all
15:06<azeem>tanjix: yes
15:07<tanjix>azeem: i know that they work on linux, suse does, redhat does...
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15:08<Entheogen>hi guys.. i seem to have problem with torrents.. my speed cannot reach above 10-15 kbps.. this computer is connected to another comp which is gateway to the internet
15:08<Entheogen>both computers have debian etch
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15:09<azeem>tanjix: ok, so how are they not detected?
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15:11<tanjix>azeem: because debian does not have drivers on cd? i got a patcvhed netinstall cd which detects at least network cards, but not my lsi controller
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15:14<azeem>tanjix: wait, what is an lsi controller?
15:14<azeem>I thought you were talking about SATA or PATA or something
15:14<kop>tanjix : I've not been following your problems. You may want to try a newer debian installer. The lenny b1 installer or even the dailys. (I'm trying a daily now and it's working _so_ much better with my hardware.
15:15<kop>tanjix : My goal is to install etch with a backported kernel that supports my hardware.
15:15<azeem>kop: he's trying with etchnhalf, which /is/ lenny b1, essentially
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15:16<kop>azeem : I had to go to the daily snapshot of the installer to get good hardware support. I guess I'll have to manually download the right kernel from the installer and have it on the box to install because I don't think the nic will work when I've finished.
15:17<azeem>kop: the kernel isn't updated daily, you know
15:17<azeem>so please don't tell people to use the daily images, they are not supported
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15:17<azeem>lenny beta1 should be fine for people who want testing
15:17<kop>azeem : But I needed the kernel in the daily installer build, the lenny b1 version wouldn't work.
15:18<azeem>kop: that's fine, just don't advertise it to /others/
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15:18<kop>azeem : Ok. It's worth a mention when nothing else works though, right?
15:18<tanjix>azeem: LSI is an SAS raidcontroller
15:19<azeem>kop: only if you're going to support those people through their problems
15:19<kop>azeem : Very good point.
15:19<azeem>tanjix: is the driver for that one in the mainline kernel?
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15:19<azeem>tanjix: maybe some parts of it had to be removed because they were non-free
15:19<azeem>so the driver is non-functional in Debian currently
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15:19<azeem>tanjix: you can maybe try to ask in #debian-kernel, or read the linux-2.6 source package changelog/patches for it
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15:32<BloodSkin>i cant connect to proftpd
15:32<BloodSkin>its all on a local network
15:32<BloodSkin>im going to try uninstaklling it then reinstalling it
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15:39<tanjix>azeem and kop: the lenny netinstall also doews not work for me
15:40<tanjix>for networking i need the igb driver, the netinstallers only have ixgb (10 gbe)
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15:42<kop>tanjix : You're on your own with the daily/weekly debian installer snapshot. It's got a newer kernel that supports more hardware, but I'm not likely to be here to help and they may or may not work at all.
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16:07<kop>themill: This is the new story from #debian-boot. To install etch from the lenny b1 di you must use either the business card iso or the netboot (pxe boot) process. _Then_ you either put "suite=etch" on the boot command line or choose to install stable during the mirror selection process. *whew*
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16:08<themill>kop: right... these things are obviously changing. (suite=boot rings a bell but I don't know where I read that.... my earlier guess from memory was release=boot so I was close!)
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16:08<themill>kop: will you update the wiki page again?
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16:09<themill>kop: but the lenny b1 d-i didn't work for you with 2.6.22 anyway, did it?
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16:17<Ikarus>DSAs, their package: line specifies the _source_ package that is affected, right ?
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16:20<skido>how are u
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16:21<HeNiDy>any one here for help?
16:21<skido>nice to hear from u
16:21<HeNiDy>i need ipw2200 firmware to apt-get install
16:21<skido>i´d like to report a bug in ubuntu 8.04
16:21<HeNiDy>any one know about it?
16:22<Ganneff>skido: see topic, you are wrong here.
16:22<skido>ganneff: ok
16:22<HeNiDy>any one can help?
16:23<dpkg>The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>
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16:27<phillipsjk>on #ubuntu on freenode: <phillipsjk> !bugs
16:27<phillipsjk><ubot5> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at
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16:39<schue>wow... #ubuntu is an insane supportfest. I had never looked in there before. scary.
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16:40<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
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16:49<phillipsjk>schue, To make matters worse, freenode is blocking messages to bots from unauthenticated users.
16:49<schue>that is sad news.
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16:51<kop>themill : I've already updated the wiki page. The lenny b1 d-i did not work, but a daily snapshot might. I'm still fiddling.
16:51<phillipsjk>correciton Private messages in genteral. You can still get the bot's attention in the channel.
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16:54<zarchne>phillipsjk: buwahaha, as it were.
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16:59<phillipsjk>zarchne, I think it's just the downside of being the most popular Linux distribution. (especially for "new" users)
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17:01<HaMMiE>go to dinner
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17:27<enelya>guten abend zusammen
17:27<davi>english? spanish?
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17:29<davi>Is debian hot or cool?
17:29<azeem>davi: please keep it on topic
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17:51<weasel>somebody is not making friends.
17:53<eyes-weasel>sorry wrong channel ;-)
17:53<weasel>wrong nick also.
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17:54<eyes-weasel>hey i've a prefix - should be enough to differ
17:57<Ikarus>Can anyone based on specification or something confirm if the package name mentioned in the DSAs is always the package name of the source package ?
17:59<weasel>I wouldn't go as far as to say "always is and always will be", but I wouldn't be surprised if it was usually the case
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18:08<Ikarus>weasel: yes, but I want to automatically parse the DSAs
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18:15<ABM>hay.. need to find the noob section.. any got a link to read the manual?
18:15<kop>ABM: There's some at
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18:17<not-eyes--weasel>I'm not sure how noob freindly debian is...
18:18*weasel ponders +b'ing *?weasel*
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18:18<ABM>well patience is a bless ..
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18:18<ABM> is the manual the same as knoppix
18:18<another-weasel>weasel: now now....
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18:19<themill>ABM: no, knoppix is a rather different beast.
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18:27<markybob>update-modules says that it shouldnt be used, but it doesnt say what should be used instead. what's it's replacement? :P
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18:27<ABM>isnt there a channel where you can ask qst?
18:28<ABM>really noob qst .. :)
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18:29<themill>ABM: ask away here. We'll either answer things or point you in the direction of docs to help you.
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18:29<phillipsjk256>or ignore you!
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18:31<ABM>well I have to do my best before getting ignorred :P
18:32<ABM>thanks.. I just installed knoppix on dvd.. the next thing I want to do is boot Grafich mode so I can read the help files online.
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18:32<themill>ABM: ok.. it's not that we don't want to help you, but you should ask in #knoppix on, not here.
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18:33<phillipsjk256>ABM: I don't know how many people I speak for, but I find it is hard to figure out what tool is supposed to do what. (if you know what to look for, your question is answered)
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18:34<abrotman>phillipsjk256: btw .. i found a box today with a Trio64 card :)
18:34<abrotman>doh . wrong channel
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18:36<ABM>themill, Thanks. find the right link in the knoppix channel on the other server
18:36<themill>ABM: no worries. Good luck! When you've got debian installed, come back and say hello!
18:37<nevyn>abrotman: ouch
18:37<abrotman>nevyn: it's a workstation .. windows is okay with it
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18:38<phillipsjk256>..which would suggest a software problem ;0
18:39<tj_>mysupper... you around? Hellow phillipsjk, how are ya today?
18:40<phillipsjk256>THe snow is gone! :)
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18:40<ABM>I sure will :)
18:41<tj_>snow? i wouldnt know... in the deep south here
18:41<tj_>supposed to get down to 33F tonight.
18:42<phillipsjk256>We got the semi-anual spring dump last week. Only it took a week to melt instead of a day.
18:42<tj_>what part of the country? i have family in PA
18:43<phillipsjk256>Edmonton alberta. about 55 deg north.
18:44<tj_>wow.... dunno why, dont chat much, just get used to the people of US... but we are friends!
18:44<tj_>I bet it gets soooo cold up there
18:45<abrotman>phillipsjk256: are you in WI ?
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18:45<tj_>my folks in PA tell me it gets like way below 0 F. in winter.
18:46<tj_>the coldest of winter here in Georgia gets like 20s
18:46<azeem>tj_: please keep it on topic
18:46<phillipsjk256>abrotman: hint most of the US is south of 49 deg
18:46<tj_>what is the topic azeem?
18:46<phillipsjk256>debian support
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18:47<abrotman>tj_: try #debian-offtopic
18:47<tj_>I mean whats the harm in a little chit-chat when there isnt any real "work" to be done?
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18:47<tj_>obviousely "on topic" superceeds
18:47<azeem>tj_: please accept that off-topic discussions should happen off-channel after a few lines
18:48<themill>tj_: a little is fine. But people joining the channel can be intimidated by on-going conversations that are off-topic and so won't ask their questions.
18:48<tj_>k. sorry, everyone is so serious.
18:48<phillipsjk256>tj_ some people like to "idle" and only look when somebody says something.
18:48<abrotman>there's a whole #debian-offtopic for fun and games .. but NO profit!!
18:49<tj_>k...... i'll shut up then.
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18:50<phillipsjk256>tj_ #debian-offtopic is no joke.. you can /join if you want.
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19:10<PatM2>Is there any use to making a swap partition on an SD card for an emdebbed system?
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19:12<phillipsjk256>Pat: you probably want to avoid it if possible.
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19:12<phillipsjk256>But, I you really don't have the memory, it should work.. for the first 10,000 writes.
19:12<themill>witte: were you helping someone with oowriter and docx the other day?
19:13<PatM2>100.000 writes I thought 8)
19:13<witte>themill: euhm, someone asked about docx, and i pointed him to oowriter, and the guy mentioned that it worked afterwards
19:13<PatM2>About what I was thinking really. Seems a bit silly to have swap on slow mtd anyway
19:13<witte>themill: that is about it :-)
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19:14<themill>witte: hmm.... didn't last time I looked. Oh well :)
19:14<witte>themill: the testing version or the stable version of ooffice?
19:14<themill>2.3 (I've got 2.4 now so will try again)
19:15<witte>themill: i don't think i already had to try it yet, but i just asked if he tried it... :-)
19:15<phillipsjk256>PatM2: SSD is a hack of ROM that works well enough for a lot of things, but not some extreme cases.
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19:16<witte>themill: and isn't docx an open format? anybody should be able to read it :-)
19:16<themill>witte: oo 2.4 (form backports) seems to swallow pptx files :) nice. (M$Office on the machines at work can't handle them so it will be nice to have something under linux that the windoze guys just can't handle)
19:16<themill>witte: yeah.... that one
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19:19<themill>witte: seems to cope with docx too. Excellent. OOo is starting to become usable, as far as office suites go.
19:19<witte>themill: i only use it to open stuff people send to me, i use LaTeX if i have to make something myself
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19:20<themill>Likewise. oocalc gets a little work for looking at data quickly, but if it needs to look good then I use PyX. (and reports, papers, and presentations are all done in latex)
19:21*witte googles for PyX
19:22<themill>witte: in debian as python-pyx
19:23<witte>themill: yeah, found it. I started with my first steps using python not that long ago, and i intend to make a program in that language (when i have time...), maybe the pyx plots come in handy
19:23<debacle>Hi all, i have a question about debian releases. I'm running lenny and i have Linux 2.6.24-1-686 installed and running. TOday after an apt-get update, apt-get dist upgrade asked me to update the linux kernel with an apparent same version (2.6.24-1-686). How can this be ? Is this an update ?
19:23<witte>now i usually use matlab, which works great on linux, but is not really free :-)
19:24<abrotman>debacle: different source version, same ABI
19:24<themill>debacle: have a look at apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
19:27<debacle>themill: thank ... infct this seems to be build n° 6 !! it's not the same version ! But ... the last one question: where can i get a list of bugfix/news introduced in this build ??
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19:28<themill>debacle: install the apt-listchanges package and that will show you the debian changelog and NEWS.Debian files.
19:29<witte>debacle: and you can always have a look on your disk /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz (after installation of course)
19:29<witte>debacle: for you probably s/amd64/686/
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19:30<themill>debacle: if you're running testing, then apt-listchanges is highly recommended
19:30<VTommy>hello guys
19:30<VTommy>got a small question
19:30<debacle>themill: THANK you a million !
19:30<VTommy>i need to combine or merge 72 files .txt into 1 big file what should i use in consoel?
19:30<themill>debacle: no worries
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19:31<themill>VTommy: cat *.txt > combinedfile
19:31<debacle>themill: i didn't know apt-listchanges .. and so thanks again ! :-)
19:31<VTommy>thanks themill
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19:41<PatM2>What is the "official" way to get eth0 going at startup? I have /etc/network/interfaces done and ifup eth0 works. Do I just add it to inittab? (busybox installation)
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19:42<themill>PatM2: "auto eth0" in /e/n/interfaces is the normal way of doing it
19:42<abrotman>nice abbreviations .. i'm sure that'll make total sense
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19:43<PatM2>heh /e/n/ = /etc/network
19:43<themill>!win themill
19:43<dpkg>Congratulations, themill! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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19:43<PatM2>Though I don't know what "auto eth0" is supposed to mean really.
19:43<themill>PatM2: man 5 interfaces documents that file.
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19:53<PatM2>Hmm, still can't see where it tells you how to get eth0 going at startup. I read ifup and run-parts as well.
19:53<witte>PatM2: just put the line "auto eth0" before the line where you configure eth0
19:54<PatM2>Its there already. Somehow I don't think the busybox init is checking interfaces
19:54<witte>PatM2: oh, but you shouldn't be in busybox
19:55<witte>PatM2: what is the reason you are there?
19:55<themill>witte: PatM2 is playing embedded system development
19:56<themill>PatM2: doesn't your boot process call "ifup -a" somewhere?
19:57<witte>themill: ah, ok
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19:59<PatM2>themill: Sorry, still playing ;)
19:59<themill>PatM2: no worries... have fun.
19:59<PatM2>themill: Thats just it, I have to figure out where to put ifup -a
19:59<PatM2>I figure in must be inittab, thats where it starts up lo
20:00<themill>PatM2: it's in /etc/init.d/networking on a normal debian system
20:00<themill>PatM2: Are you doing a sysvinit?
20:00<PatM2>Nope, Busybox doesn't understand sysvinit
20:00<PatM2>Which is causing me a LOT of pain ;)
20:01<themill>Ah... embedded stuff is somewhat outside of our normal experience here...
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20:01<PatM2>Ok, here's a (what I think is) more normal question.
20:01<wayneward_>greetings i see adept is broke on kde on debian is there any other way to get update notification on the kicker?
20:02<azeem>wayneward_: update-notifier should work as well
20:02<themill>PatM2: busybox has a run-parts that you could use to do a sysv-like startup. But that seems to be reinventing the wheel. Someone else will have done this already.
20:02<wayneward_>i just tried that doesnt seem to work do you need to reboot for it to work?
20:02<azeem>you might have to start it
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20:04<wayneward_>is there a kde package for it or is just gnome
20:04<PatM2>Actually, come to think of it. It might not be a normal question... its probably busybox again. I keep getting a message saying the shell can't access the tty so it has no job control.
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20:06<themill>PatM2: it sounds like you really need to find a dedicated channel for embedded development. The stuff you're doing sounds fun, but we just can't help you with most of your questions. All we ever do is try to get out of busybox should we ever end up there.
20:07<PatM2>Lol yeah I would too but the debootstrap for debian-arm is messed up.
20:07<themill>PatM2: there is a #debian-arm ...
20:08<PatM2>How do you look that up? New to IRC too
20:08<VTommy>guys is there a way to set a proccess to take 100% cpu?
20:08<themill>PatM2: /msg chanserv list *deb*arm*
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20:08<PatM2>Well cool, thanks!
20:08<themill>PatM2: no worries. Good luck with it.
20:10<VTommy>anyway to do this at all, my process is taking forever to complete ?
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20:11<azeem>VTommy: no, best you can do is renice it, afaik
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20:39<dacod>pessoal tive um problema com um volume LVM(xfs) debian etch, fiz uma copia de hd's com dd e infelizmente alguem ligou a maquina com os dois hd's juntos o que acabou gerando um crash por causa das UUID's, iniciei a maquina com cd do etch em modo recovery, lvdisplay mostra as partições porem da uma mensagem " structure needs cleaning"
20:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:39<dacod>alguem poderia me dar um help
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20:42<dacod>I had a personal problem with a volume LVM (xfs) debian etch, I made a copy of hd's with dd and unfortunately someone called the machine with the two hd together what's just generating a crash because of the UUID's, began with machine cd of etch in recovery mode, lvdisplay shows partitions put a message of "structure needs cleaning"
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20:46<dacod>any can help me about this ??? please
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20:59<Salz>is it possible with exim4 to use localhost:26 as smarthost?
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21:08<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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21:11<oza>If i install KDE/X11 on my server it wont autoamaticly set the boot preference to sue the x login?
21:12<|>Why would you install KDE/X11 on a server?
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21:13<oza>hmm because i'm out of machines and need a test windows server and was going to run it on a virtual sever under x
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21:15<oza>so will it defualt my sessions to x or will it only start when i tell it to?
21:15<nevyn> and was going to run
21:15<nevyn> it on a virtual sever under x
21:15<nevyn>bleh sorry.
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21:17<cassiano>if you install the kde package it will also install kdm (the graphical login manager) and set it to start automatically at each boot.
21:18<oza>kdm can be disabled?
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21:18<cassiano>yes. just 'sudo update-rc.d kdm remove'
21:18<cassiano>and if you want to stop it for the current session, 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop'
21:19<cassiano>note that this will kill the X server
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21:20<oza>but kdm doesn't need to be running to start a new X server
21:20<oza>kool, thanks
21:21<cassiano>startx will start X (doh) for the current user and will bypass the graphical login
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21:24<ExC|Enelya>gute nacht zusammen *winke winke*
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21:36<DJBloodSkin>i am thinking about installing an eggdrop on my lamp server. would it be wiser to compile from source or should i use apt-get?
21:36<DJBloodSkin>ive heard that with apt-get it spreads the config and all that all over your system making it a pain to maintain
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21:44<DJBloodSkin>is there a way to configure a vnc server to run xfce4?
21:45<DJBloodSkin>or do i just log in to the vnc, then start xfce4 via command prompt
21:45<DJBloodSkin>id really like to be able to control my slow machine without having to switch my monitor/keyboard/mouse every time i need to do certain tasks
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21:53<abrotman>apt-cache search vnc server
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21:56<tanjix>hi all
21:57<tanjix>anyone can help setting up an etch amd64 on a supermicro server iwth an lsi1068 sas controller? the netinstall won't recognize the driver for it ;(
21:58<Salz>DJBloodSkin: man vncserver should have told you about ~/.vnc/xstartup
21:58<DJBloodSkin>huh what?
21:58<DJBloodSkin>who should have said what
21:59<Salz>DJBloodSkin: to start xfce when starting a new vnc server
21:59<Salz>man vncserver
21:59<DJBloodSkin>im still new to terminal commands
21:59<Xenguy>DJBloodSkin: man man ;-)
22:00<DJBloodSkin>a manual about manuals
22:00<Salz>that is: man 7 man
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22:02<Salz>tanjix: are you sure your hardware is supported by a 2.6.18 kernel?
22:02<tanjix>Salz: i have a netinstall cd with 2.6.24-1-amd64 kernel
22:04<Salz>same question :)
22:06<tanjix>Salz: i am 99% sure ;) dmesg shows me everything correct, i only seem to have problems loading the drivers. my usb floppy will not be recognized to that time it is needed to load drivers... :(
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22:07<Salz>you could switch to the 2nd console (alt+f2) and mount your usb floppy manually
22:08<DJBloodSkin>hmm. man vncserver says nothing about xstartup
22:08<tanjix>my floppy is recognized as /dev/sda
22:08<tanjix>will setup be able to use this to load drivers?
22:09<Salz>tanjix: dunno
22:09<Salz>DJBloodSkin: hm. which version of vncserver do you have installed?
22:12<DJBloodSkin>i just did apt-get install vncserver
22:12<DJBloodSkin>so vnc-common
22:13<tanjix>Salz: mounting tells me invalid argument?!
22:14<Salz>tanjix: and dmesg? (or console at alt+f4)
22:16<DJBloodSkin>theres more
22:17<Salz>DJBloodSkin: probably vnc3. just look how to change the startup in the manpage
22:17<Salz>bzw. in: man vnc.conf
22:18<tanjix>Salz: ok, dmesg told me the disk is faulty... just will replace it *g
22:18<Salz>german! :)
22:19<Salz>bzw. : beziehungsweise :: resp. : respectively
22:25<DJBloodSkin>how do i find ~/.vnc/xstartup
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22:25<DJBloodSkin>is it in my home directory?
22:25<DJBloodSkin>is that what ~ means?
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22:26<Salz>yes, ~ is your home directory
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22:27<Salz>you can even say "cd ~" in the shell :)
22:27<DJBloodSkin>ahh, thats cool
22:28<amphi>DJBloodSkin: cd by itself will take you to ~ ;)
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22:29<DJBloodSkin>thats useful
22:30<amphi>DJBloodSkin: cd - will take you back to the previous directory, which is often handy
22:31<DJBloodSkin>i use cd .. which takes m up one directory
22:31<DJBloodSkin>what is the command to search for a file/folder
22:31<amphi>find or locate
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22:32<amphi>locate depends on its database being up to date
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22:32<DJBloodSkin>find always results in no such file or directory
22:32<DJBloodSkin>even if i know for a fact it exists in the current directory
22:33<dondelelcaro>DJBloodSkin: then you aren't using it properly.
22:33<DJBloodSkin>is there any flag that i have to use
22:33<dondelelcaro>DJBloodSkin: what is the find command line that you are using?
22:33<DJBloodSkin>find filename
22:33<dondelelcaro>DJBloodSkin: uh... no.
22:33<DJBloodSkin>would it be -f
22:33<dondelelcaro>DJBloodSkin: man find; but the short version is find . -type f -name 'filename'; or similar.
22:34<dondelelcaro>(find is one of the more powerful commands in coreutils)
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22:41<DJBloodSkin>well wth
22:41<DJBloodSkin>it half way worked
22:41<DJBloodSkin>im going to take a break and rethink this
22:42<dondelelcaro>there's not much to really think about there; if you're stuck, you can ask questions
22:42<DJBloodSkin>when i connect with a vnc client i get a terminal that has the theme i selected as the border, but thats all it has from xfce
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22:43<DJBloodSkin>right click doesnt bring up a menu, there is no environment manager
22:44<DJBloodSkin>not even a clock
22:46*dondelelcaro doesn't know anything about vnc, unfortunatly
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22:51<tony>I have Mplayer and Java, both installed, but neither one is working! Can someone help!!!
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23:18<mepis32>I having trouble finding some info on the web with regards to disabling a trackpoint mouse on a old IBM i Series laptop (Of course the problem could be my query in google)
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23:19<mepis32>The problem is my wife hates the trackpoint but when I connect a PS/2 mouse the system hangs and the mouse behavoir is erratic
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23:21<mepis32>No option in the BIOS to disable the trackpoint (yes I updated) is it possible to disable when linux boots but still have the PS/2 mouse working?
23:23<amphi>mepis32: might have some info
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23:27<mepis32>thanks I start searching the site
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