| --- | Log | opened Thu May 01 00:00:46 2008 |
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| 00:08 | <nano> | when using ndiswrapper, I have setup everything correctly; however, wlan0 doesn't show up with "iwconfig" |
| 00:08 | <nano> | therefore i can't setup connect to any networks. |
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| 00:25 | <kurumin__> | e ae |
| 00:25 | <kurumin__> | galera |
| 00:25 | <kurumin__> | bom dia |
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| 00:27 | <hellues> | hey |
| 00:27 | <hellues> | i need package linux-kbuild-2.6.25-1-686-bigmem |
| 00:28 | <hellues> | how can i take this package i cnnot find this package |
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| 00:29 | <kop> | hellues : You've tried "aptitude search kbuild"? |
| 00:30 | <Christmas> | try "apt-get install linux-kbuild-2.6.24" as root |
| 00:30 | <Christmas> | 2.6.25 is not in lenny yet |
| 00:30 | <hellues> | no |
| 00:30 | <hellues> | also is not in sid |
| 00:31 | <hellues> | there is no such package |
| 00:31 | <Christmas> | what do you need it for? |
| 00:31 | <hellues> | in ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid |
| 00:31 | <hellues> | i installed linux-image-2.6.25-1-686-bigmem |
| 00:31 | <kop> | I'm afraid my brain is leaking. Is there anywere the kernel .config file is kept? I assume it's in the kernel source package but does it come in any of the binaries etc? |
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| 00:32 | <hellues> | and i will install nvidia,alsa but i coldnt do nothing because of kbuild |
| 00:32 | <Christmas> | but there's no need for 2.6.25 |
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| 00:32 | <Christmas> | why don't you use 2.6.24? |
| 00:32 | <kop> | hellues: Are you sure you want to be running sid? You need to be something of an expert to run sid. |
| 00:33 | <hellues> | actually i want to use newest kernel but there is no solution aabout kbuild i guess i will pass 2.6.24 |
| 00:33 | <Christmas> | it should be fine |
| 00:33 | <hellues> | only the kernel is sid |
| 00:33 | <kop> | hellues: You can always build your own kernel, but usually people have a reason. |
| 00:33 | <hellues> | i dont know how kernel build :D |
| 00:34 | <hellues> | soon i have a project about compile kernel :D |
| 00:34 | <Christmas> | get the source and read the readme :D |
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| 00:34 | <hellues> | i have source linux-source-2.6.25 |
| 00:35 | <hellues> | can i compile kernel for linux-kbuild |
| 00:35 | <Christmas> | well you can find a guide for compiling it |
| 00:35 | <Christmas> | don't know |
| 00:35 | <hellues> | hmm |
| 00:36 | <kop> | hellues : "man make-kpkg" and zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-package.gz for the debian way to do it. |
| 00:37 | <hellues> | hmm |
| 00:37 | <hellues> | oki i ask a quenstion abouıt compiling |
| 00:37 | <hellues> | can i use c language for compile kernel ? |
| 00:38 | <kop> | What I really want to know is whether support for a particular device is in the various debian kernels. I suppose I could suck it up and download the various kernel sources and look at the .config files, but is there a better way to find out? |
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| 00:38 | <kop> | hellues : It's all laid out in kernel-package.gz. What other packages you need to install first. |
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| 00:39 | <kop> | hellues : Yes, the kernel is written in C. |
| 00:39 | <human> | identity |
| 00:39 | <human> | identify |
| 00:40 | <hellues> | hmm thanls |
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| 00:40 | <hellues> | which library is used for compiling |
| 00:40 | <cyberszpesz> | hi |
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| 00:41 | <hellues> | do you know a page linux-doc is enough for learning smt about compiling |
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| 00:45 | <kop> | hellues : I gave you the pages for the debian way to make kernel packages. The "classic" way is the README file in the linux kernel source. |
| 00:46 | <kop> | hellues : But you'd better read the debian stuff or you won't have the packages installed you need to compile. |
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| 00:48 | <hellues> | i have to compile a simple thing in kernel for example while opening debian i must put debian logo i have to do smt like that |
| 00:48 | <kop> | hellues : See also the reference manual at debian.org. |
| 00:48 | <kop> | hellues : "opening?" |
| 00:48 | <hellues> | oki |
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| 00:50 | <kop> | How do the debian kernel maintainers decide what modules to include? |
| 00:50 | <craigevil> | magic roulet wheel |
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| 00:51 | <hellues> | kop, in the grub you click kernel and you see some line in the black screen |
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| 00:52 | <hellues> | i want to put a debian llogo to black screen |
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| 00:53 | <kop> | hellues : That's a grub question and does not have to do with the kernel. Learn to use info and read "info grub", the part on adding an image. At least I think that's what you want. |
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| 00:54 | <kop> | craigevil : Any clue what sort of sacrifices must be burnt to influence the process? |
| 00:54 | <hellues> | hmm |
| 00:54 | <craigevil> | ubuntu users |
| 00:55 | <kop> | craigevil :) |
| 00:55 | <hellues> | i want to find simple kernel compiling project |
| 00:55 | <hellues> | can you suggest smt to me |
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| 00:57 | <jjjj1> | hi |
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| 01:15 | <prathibha> | Hai, In my debian partition hibernate works fine for root user and for non-root user I get the following error "HAL failed to hibernate. Check the help file for common problems". How to solve this problem. |
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| 01:20 | <hellues> | hey |
| 01:20 | <hellues> | can i compile firefox3.0 from source for debian |
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| 01:22 | <phillipsjk> | prathibha, you may have to add the user to the /etc/sudoers file. In any case check the documentation for which command is run. |
| 01:22 | <prathibha> | phillipsjk, ya. it's already added |
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| 01:23 | <phillipsjk> | do you have the sudo packge installed? |
| 01:24 | <phillipsjk> | Did you edit the file with visudo? |
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| 01:26 | <phillipsjk> | hellues, you can do anything you want with your computer :) |
| 01:26 | <hellues> | hmm |
| 01:26 | <hellues> | how can i take firefox source |
| 01:26 | <hellues> | apt-get-source firefox ? |
| 01:27 | <phillipsjk> | the reason I didn't suggest backports is I doubt ff 3 is included yet. |
| 01:27 | <phillipsjk> | !backports |
| 01:27 | <dpkg> | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 01:28 | <hellues> | hmm i understand i take iceweasel as source |
| 01:28 | <hellues> | how can i compile this ? |
| 01:28 | <hellues> | what is dsc ? |
| 01:28 | <phillipsjk> | You can alway compile the "upstream" source if you know what you are doing. |
| 01:29 | <kop> | hellues : Usually you install the source package and then read the INSTALL file, which says how to do it. |
| 01:29 | <hellues> | actually i dont have any idead but i want to learn |
| 01:29 | <hellues> | /usr/share/doc/iceweasel ? |
| 01:30 | <kop> | hellues: Usually it comes down to: ./configure ; make ; make install The bad part is then you're not using apt (or whatever package manager) which means your system will eventually turn to muck. Better read the debian reference manual at debian.org for instructions on how to make a debian package. |
| 01:32 | <hellues> | i dont want to do deb package i want to compile it from source |
| 01:32 | <kop> | hellues : You can compile the source and make a .deb package. |
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| 01:32 | <hellues> | hmm |
| 01:32 | <kop> | hellues : How do you think .deb packages get made? |
| 01:33 | <phillipsjk> | hellues even sid is using version 2: http://packages.debian.org/sid/iceweasel |
| 01:33 | <hellues> | i dont know actually :d |
| 01:33 | <hellues> | but i wonna learn |
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| 01:34 | <phillipsjk> | Hellues: you may want to start with a smaller packge with fewer dependencies. |
| 01:36 | <hellues> | hmm i want to start wih iceweasel because i am not glad from iceweasel. |
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| 01:40 | <phillipsjk> | Compiling your own is non-trivial for large complicated programs like mozilla and lyx. As kop mentioned, the source packges or upstream source usually have compiling instructions included. |
| 01:41 | <phillipsjk> | If you don't make a deb, you probably want to use /usr/local |
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| 01:42 | * | phillipsjk tried compiling lyx once and discovered hardware problems |
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| 01:58 | <prathibha> | phillipsjk, any solution to solve my problem |
| 01:59 | <soundheart> | How can I connect aptitude to a debian server so that it can download/install/upgrade packages? |
| 01:59 | <soundheart> | I didn't do that during installation. |
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| 02:02 | <hellues> | hey |
| 02:02 | <hellues> | my wireless does not work |
| 02:03 | <hellues> | i have to do right things it always worked in this time does not work |
| 02:03 | <hellues> | what can i do fro that i dont understand the reason |
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| 02:09 | <phillipsjk> | prathibha, did you use visudo? sudo refuses to process the sudoers file it it is no syntacticly correct. |
| 02:09 | <gsimmons> | soundheart: You'd need to adjust your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 02:09 | <gsimmons> | !tell soundheart -about sources.list |
| 02:10 | <prathibha> | phillipsjk, the user is already added in my sudoers file |
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| 02:16 | <soundheart> | gsimmons: kedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:16 | <soundheart> | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 02:16 | <soundheart> | Xlib: No protocol specified |
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| 02:20 | <phillipsjk> | prathibha, check the NOPASSWD tag in the sudoers man page. The file format is verbose to allow the use of identical copies on every machine of a LAN. |
| 02:21 | <phillipsjk> | I am also not sure you need sudo; I have never set up hibernation. THe documentation for the program you are using should tell you though. |
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| 02:23 | <prathibha> | phillipsjk, ok. Actually I am able to run commnads from non-root user using sudo without password. |
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| 02:44 | <soundheart> | what does this mean? |
| 02:44 | <soundheart> | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 02:45 | <zakame> | n |
| 02:45 | <nevyn> | run apt-get update |
| 02:45 | <nevyn> | if it's still broken then the repo is mid update or broken |
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| 03:25 | <adri> | hello all |
| 03:25 | <adri> | i have again problem with upgrade with packege ttf-opensymbol |
| 03:25 | <adri> | why this packege is in mirror ? |
| 03:25 | <adri> | this packege is to bugy |
| 03:26 | <adri> | in mirror security.debian.org |
| 03:26 | <adri> | its fun... |
| 03:26 | <adri> | debian is a big name ... |
| 03:27 | <adri> | but 1000 developers dont know what doing |
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| 03:28 | <weasel> | I said #debian might be able to help. I'm not surprised nobody tries to, the way you are behaving. |
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| 03:28 | <adri> | i like debian but ... |
| 03:29 | <adri> | its no ormal |
| 03:29 | <nevyn> | adri: nobody's forcing you to use it. |
| 03:29 | <adri> | its no normal |
| 03:29 | <adri> | no its no my problem its a debian developers problem |
| 03:30 | <weasel> | you have so far only insulted, complained, and whined |
| 03:30 | <weasel> | and not provided a single useful thing |
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| 03:30 | <weasel> | if you can't do that just go away, will you? |
| 03:30 | <nevyn> | or even a detail that might allow people to assist you with your problem. |
| 03:31 | <adri> | i`m not here with a bad things |
| 03:32 | <adri> | only report bug for good and best evolution |
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| 03:33 | <weasel> | you have not given a bug report. |
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| 03:33 | <weasel> | you have not even complained in a useful manner, you have complained in a unhelpful way. |
| 03:34 | <cahoot> | a vomit isn't a bug report? |
| 03:34 | <weasel> | adri: a but report tells people what is the problem, it doesn't come insulting and saying "your crap is too buggy" and then nothing more. |
| 03:34 | <weasel> | http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 03:34 | <weasel> | read this. |
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| 03:35 | <adri> | Setting up ttf-opensymbol (2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5) ... |
| 03:35 | <adri> | Updating fontconfig cache... |
| 03:35 | <adri> | .Setting up ttf-opensymbol (2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5) ... |
| 03:35 | <adri> | Updating fontconfig cache... |
| 03:35 | <adri> | ./usr/share/fonts/X11/encodings: failed to write cache |
| 03:36 | <adri> | this is a old bug |
| 03:36 | <adri> | ./usr/share/fonts/X11/encodings: failed to write cache |
| 03:36 | <adri> | dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--configure): |
| 03:36 | <dpkg> | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 03:37 | <weasel> | dpkg: shut up |
| 03:37 | <dpkg> | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 03:37 | <weasel> | adri: so your system clock was wrong at one point, or is now? |
| 03:37 | <adri> | now |
| 03:37 | <weasel> | what is your system time? |
| 03:37 | <adri> | this is a new instalation |
| 03:40 | <weasel> | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387928 |
| 03:40 | <weasel> | see this for background and a workaround |
| 03:40 | <adri> | thanks |
| 03:40 | <weasel> | also, you didn't answer my question |
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| 03:44 | <adri> | where ? |
| 03:44 | <weasel> | Thu 09:37:56 <weasel> what is your system time? |
| 03:44 | <adri> | uptime or ? |
| 03:44 | <weasel> | never mind. good luck. |
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| 03:48 | <Johann> | hi |
| 03:49 | <Johann> | can anyone tell me why i cant listen the sounds of gnome? |
| 03:49 | <simonrvn> | it chooses to be quiet, to save your ears. those mushrooms can be noisy |
| 03:50 | <Johann> | it suggested to me that i install gnome-audio...but i look for it in synaptic and it doesnt appear |
| 03:50 | <Johann> | haha, lol |
| 03:50 | <Johann> | how can i do? |
| 03:50 | <simonrvn> | gnome-audio installs various ogg and wav |
| 03:51 | <Johann> | but it doesnt appear in synaptic |
| 03:51 | <simonrvn> | searched for it? |
| 03:51 | <Johann> | yes |
| 03:51 | <simonrvn> | i know it's there |
| 03:51 | <Johann> | vlicked on "search" and wrote "gnome-audio" |
| 03:52 | <Johann> | nothing appeared |
| 03:52 | <Johann> | clicked* |
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| 03:52 | <simonrvn> | update, maybe your cache is old, or last update got screwed |
| 03:53 | <Johann> | how can i do that? |
| 03:53 | <simonrvn> | look at the help |
| 03:53 | <Johann> | on reload?? |
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| 04:32 | <_42> | tg Escobar |
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| 04:36 | <hellues> | hey |
| 04:36 | <hellues> | i am downloading firmware-iwlwifi |
| 04:37 | <hellues> | i have linux-image-2.6.24-1 and i have it source |
| 04:37 | <hellues> | after installing firmware-iwlwifi i do modprobe mac80211 |
| 04:37 | <hellues> | but |
| 04:37 | <hellues> | wireless doesnt work |
| 04:37 | <hellues> | what can reason be ? |
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| 04:41 | <suiside> | !doesn't work |
| 04:41 | <dpkg> | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 04:46 | <snogglethorpe> | wow, that was effective... |
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| 04:47 | <less> | :) |
| 04:47 | <cahoot> | especially since he described rather well what he'd done |
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| 04:48 | <less> | True. |
| 04:49 | <elky> | better than most manage, indeed |
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| 04:49 | <cahoot> | from which the reason for failure was obvious |
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| 04:50 | <cahoot> | (well at leas one obvious cause for failure) |
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| 05:07 | <markybob> | ok guys, #deluge on irc.freenode.net needs help. repeatedly getting join floods by someone with variants of "Yvonne" nick. ops arent responding for help so i was wondering is someone here had op there that could help |
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| 05:08 | <markybob> | this user had been attacking that channel for 30 minutes now :( |
| 05:09 | <Desiac> | trying to compile a new kernel, kept failing, with the following error: VFS: Cannot open root device mapper/<hostname>-root or unknown-block(0,0) , confirmed that the grub menu.1st entry is similar to the exisitng. assumed that it was the way i was building my kernel, so a lil research and found that deb now has / or prolly has had for a while a kernel packageing system. havent compiled since ye old 2.2 days. so used the guide |
| 05:09 | <Desiac> | and received the same error. I grabed the config created by the installer and imported into new tree. same problem, anyone have any ideas or can help out |
| 05:10 | <cahoot> | Desiac: just one idea - 2.6.24 kernels tend to look for sd* not hd* |
| 05:10 | <padski> | Desiac, error says it can't find the root filesystem |
| 05:11 | <cahoot> | (or rather provide) |
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| 05:30 | <noy> | yes hey guys i need alot of help im setting up my eee 2g surf laptop from the internet usb installer.. after i get done installing debian i dont have a xserver-xorg. so really i dont have a gui when i installed it i did the standard insyall plus laptop thats it |
| 05:30 | <noy> | install |
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| 05:31 | <padski> | noy, hi |
| 05:31 | <noy> | hey |
| 05:32 | <noy> | ive been at this for awhile i use to use ubuntu but saw debian might be better for the asus 2g surf laptop. the only thing is im installing it wrong some how |
| 05:33 | <padski> | noy, what brings you to that conclusion ? |
| 05:33 | <noy> | i cant acces the xserver |
| 05:34 | <noy> | i tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and its not there |
| 05:35 | <padski> | !eee |
| 05:35 | <dpkg> | i heard eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 05:35 | <noflash> | noy, there's #debian-eeepc on this network |
| 05:35 | <noy> | so i decided lets mess around a bit i did a apt-get install xserver-xorg and fluxbox just to see if i could get it to run |
| 05:36 | <noy> | but the xserver wont start any ideas on how i can start the xserver? |
| 05:36 | <noy> | oh yea |
| 05:37 | <noy> | debian-eeepc is a channel ill head over there right now but would u know how to manually start the xserver? thanks |
| 05:37 | <noy> | :) |
| 05:38 | <padski> | noy, there is some detail about the xorg.conf in the wiki page DebianEeePC/HowTo/Configure |
| 05:38 | <padski> | including compiz config :-) |
| 05:38 | <noy> | aww okay |
| 05:39 | <padski> | noy, it says ' Device "Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller"' |
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| 05:39 | <noy> | ill have to wait till later as my other comuter is broke :) |
| 05:39 | <padski> | noy, you could do hte X -probeonly type stuff or read the log in /var/log, but I would try the irc channel first |
| 05:40 | <noy> | whats the x -probeonly? |
| 05:41 | <noy> | im going to try that terminal lines are making me feel iLL |
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| 05:41 | <noy> | k irc first thank you very much |
| 05:41 | <padski> | noy, terminal is good for you ;-) |
| 05:41 | <noy> | :) |
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| 06:10 | <kajakob> | hello |
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| 06:32 | <markybob> | it's still getting attack. most 2 hours now with now help |
| 06:32 | <markybob> | almost* |
| 06:32 | <azeem> | markybob: ask in #freenode on freenode, maybe? |
| 06:32 | <azeem> | we can't do anything about non-debian chans on other networks |
| 06:33 | <GhostlyDeath|Laptop> | I was about to ask a question and then some flooders attack The freenode #debian =/ |
| 06:33 | <markybob> | azeem most ops here are ops there. that's what i was hoping for |
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| 06:33 | <azeem> | in #deluge? |
| 06:33 | <markybob> | no, i meant #debian. sorry if i said #deluge |
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| 06:34 | <azeem> | I'm not going to sit here all day fighting yvonne, when freenode staff is already doing the same |
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| 06:35 | <padski> | who is yvonne ? |
| 06:35 | <azeem> | padski: markybob is talking about #debian on freenode |
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| 06:36 | <padski> | azeem, I gathered. |
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| 06:38 | <markybob> | azeem all day, eh? you havent spent a second, let alone a minute. way to help debian out |
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| 06:39 | <pleb2> | !wevdav |
| 06:39 | <pleb2> | !webdav |
| 06:39 | <dpkg> | hmm... webdav is "Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning". It is a set of extensions to the HTTP protocol which allows users to collaboratively edit and manage files on remote web servers. |
| 06:39 | <azeem> | markybob: 10:28 -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*=yvonne@*] by azeem |
| 06:39 | <pleb2> | Anyone have ideas on how to access Webdav in debian? |
| 06:40 | <azeem> | markybob: now please keep in on topic |
| 06:41 | <Simon42> | pleb2: There have to be at least a fuse fs... There is always a fuse fs... ;-) |
| 06:41 | <pleb2> | ;) Cheers Simon42, is there not an easy way :P |
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| 06:42 | <padski> | pleb2, what are you trying to do ? |
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| 06:43 | <pleb2> | I am trying to re arrange folders on a secure site |
| 06:43 | <pleb2> | the server has webdav enabled, and in windows i can use network folders in my computer |
| 06:44 | <pleb2> | how would one do this on debian ;) |
| 06:44 | <pleb2> | i've tried just stuffing webdav://site.location.com but i think its failing as the site is https |
| 06:44 | <padski> | I don't know off-hand. will knoquerer or nautilus do this ? |
| 06:44 | <eddy> | hi guys - a simple question. How do I install one of the sets of packages that were offered at boot-time. I only installed "Standard System", how would I install "Desktop Environment" from dpkg/apt? |
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| 06:45 | <padski> | eddy, tasksel |
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| 06:45 | <eddy> | effecient and correct. Thanks very much for that!!! |
| 06:45 | <pleb2> | :) |
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| 06:46 | <eddy> | I am setting up this server for a small business... one more little win for debian (chosen over my normal choice of slackware) |
| 06:46 | <Guest2546> | hallo |
| 06:46 | <eddy> | bye all! |
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| 06:46 | <pleb2> | Bye Eddy |
| 06:47 | <pleb2> | !knetattach |
| 06:47 | <pleb2> | hmm |
| 06:47 | <pleb2> | Could i use K net attach? |
| 06:48 | <pleb2> | Hurrar, that is the way to do it! Thanks anyway padski, sticking remote:/ and using the wizard, you can add webdav folders ;) |
| 06:49 | <padski> | pleb2, webdavs:// works in konqueror for me |
| 06:50 | <padski> | pleb2, looks like it might be simply davs:// in nautilus |
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| 06:51 | <pleb2> | Padski, what do i use for secure? |
| 06:51 | <pleb2> | Webdav wizard isnt working :( |
| 06:52 | <padski> | pleb2, that is the 's', just like http and https |
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| 06:52 | <padski> | pleb2, nautilus works for me also. |
| 06:53 | <pleb2> | :) okay i'll try webdavs |
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| 06:53 | <adii> | hell |
| 06:53 | <adii> | o |
| 06:54 | <adii> | i know that "renice" can change a process' priority, but how can i see which priority it has at the moment ? |
| 06:54 | <cahoot> | top? |
| 06:55 | <adii> | i'll check that |
| 06:55 | <padski> | adii, man ps |
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| 06:59 | <pleb2> | padski, no Joy, im thinking its not webDAV, but i carnt think for the life of me how it works, i go into network places, click new network place |
| 06:59 | <pleb2> | stick the web address in, |
| 06:59 | <pleb2> | and it asks for username and pass, and then shows me the files on the webby |
| 06:59 | <pleb2> | its not ftp :\ |
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| 07:00 | <pleb2> | adii: I use ps ax |
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| 07:04 | <pleb2> | ps -efl will show you the nice in a pretty number tho ;) |
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| 07:08 | <pleb2> | padski: Any idea's? |
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| 07:09 | <padski> | pleb2, about ? |
| 07:10 | <pleb2> | how the webfolders option on windows works, and if i can connect to it within debian? |
| 07:10 | <pleb2> | or is this another job for virtualbox? |
| 07:10 | <pleb2> | :p |
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| 07:10 | <padski> | pleb2, it is not webdav ? |
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| 07:14 | <pleb2> | Padski, I always thought it was, as I definatly put the server address into windows as https://portal.durhamlearning.net |
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| 07:15 | <padski> | pleb2, anything usefull here: http://ulihansen.kicks-ass.net/aero/webdav/ |
| 07:18 | <pleb2> | Looks useful |
| 07:18 | <pleb2> | but it works fine in windows |
| 07:18 | <pleb2> | i want to be able to access it in KDE |
| 07:19 | <pleb2> | it has to be webdav however |
| 07:19 | <padski> | pleb2, are you the admin at the windows end, or can you get support from that corner ? |
| 07:19 | <pleb2> | No, its hosted by an external company |
| 07:20 | <pleb2> | they use a combination of IIS and ISA |
| 07:20 | <pleb2> | it makes me feel i'll at the thought |
| 07:21 | <padski> | pleb2, fear not, that is a healthy reaction ;-) |
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| 07:21 | <pleb2> | I'm guessing its a microsoft "feature" that it doesnt work very happily with webdav clients which happen to not be windows |
| 07:21 | <antgel> | i hope it's not getting flooded here like freenode |
| 07:21 | <antgel> | i have a large .gif that is too small to read when printing on a sheet of a4. but gimp doesn't appear to give me any options to spread the printing over several pages. how can i spread it so it prints over several pages? |
| 07:21 | <padski> | pleb2, never attribute to malice that which is easily explained by incompetence |
| 07:21 | <antgel> | (doesn't have to be using gimp) |
| 07:22 | <cahoot> | antgel: convert to pdf makes it unusable? |
| 07:22 | <pleb2> | antgel does your printer software not have the option?? our kyo's have the ability to print "poster mode" |
| 07:23 | <pleb2> | blows a4 up to 4 x a4 |
| 07:23 | <antgel> | cahoot: if i convert it to pdf, how then can i print it across multiple pages |
| 07:23 | <antgel> | pleb2: no, my printer is basic, i want to do it in software |
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| 07:24 | <pleb2> | hmmm, antgel can you cheat and tell it your printing on a3 sheet but choose a4 paper? |
| 07:24 | <stevem_> | Lo when I startup/shutdown debian it tries to start/stop apache-ssl... however according to apt I don't have this installed (and don't need it either) but it exists in /etc/init,d/ - should I just delete it in this directory? |
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| 07:25 | <antgel> | pleb2: with respect, do you know the answer or are you just guessing? |
| 07:25 | <antgel> | stevem_: aptitude purge apache-ssl |
| 07:25 | <pleb2> | antgel <3 |
| 07:25 | <pleb2> | Just trying to help in my newbie way |
| 07:25 | * | pleb2 goes for food |
| 07:25 | <stevem_> | antgel: that won't effect apache2 (which I do use) will it? |
| 07:25 | * | pleb2 is away: foood |
| 07:26 | <antgel> | pleb2: i appreciate it, but i am quite capable of dicking around randomly myself :P |
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| 07:26 | <antgel> | stevem_: aptitude show apache-ssl should give you the answer. |
| 07:27 | <antgel> | i don't know why people don't purge packages unless they need to keep the config files, it's bad housekeeping to leave them lying around |
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| 07:53 | <Cha0S> | hi! i have strange issue with my server - it doesn't reply sometimes on SYN packets. can somebody point out why could it happen? |
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| 08:11 | <dilhan> | can someone help me? |
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| 08:11 | <padski> | what does QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2 mean from dig ? |
| 08:11 | <dilhan> | i want to transfer sjoomla insttalation files to remote severe |
| 08:12 | <dilhan> | i'm using filezilla |
| 08:12 | <dilhan> | *joomla |
| 08:12 | <dilhan> | but i do no knw hw to set permissino properly while doing that |
| 08:13 | <dilhan> | i mean through filezilla |
| 08:13 | <dilhan> | i want to set permission for www-data |
| 08:13 | <dilhan> | hello... |
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| 08:14 | <dilhan> | can somebody help me.. |
| 08:14 | <dilhan> | please |
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| 08:17 | <DarkWolf> | anyone with an Asus m2n-x plus (nvidia n-force) board had / has troubles with his or her ethernet and sound? |
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| 08:23 | <padski> | dilham, try #filezilla on freenode |
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| 08:27 | <padski> | DarkWolf, what happens ? |
| 08:28 | <DarkWolf> | i get an error 'device /dev/dsp' can't me opened... (it's not present in /dev) when kde stats |
| 08:28 | <DarkWolf> | starts* |
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| 08:28 | <DarkWolf> | the 'soundcard' (it's on board) shows up on lspci |
| 08:29 | <DarkWolf> | (i'm running the debian stock kernel) |
| 08:29 | <padski> | !sound |
| 08:29 | <dpkg> | from memory, sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
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| 08:38 | <personman> | hmm i was having trouble getting dolphin to run in kde4, error about libnepomuk, new packages in experimental seem to fix it :D |
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| 08:44 | <Yappy> | Does anyone know how to specify no keyboard in a preseed file? |
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| 08:49 | <padski> | Yappy, as opposed to ? |
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| 08:50 | <padski> | Yappy, I have one here that is "d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap string uk" if that helps |
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| 08:54 | <padski> | Yappy, or "d-i console-tools/archs select at" |
| 08:54 | <Yappy> | padski: it doesn't, I'm trying to preseed xen guests and it doesn't really have a keyboard. I tried the console=tty hack but that's not working for me |
| 08:54 | <Yappy> | Thanks though - |
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| 08:54 | <Yappy> | Sorry - console=ttyS0 |
| 08:55 | <Yappy> | Ah - got - that part of the console line has to be in the xen config. |
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| 09:09 | <preto> | alg do brasil |
| 09:09 | <homer> | hello everyone, please help me with a sound problem i am heaving |
| 09:10 | <SlayerXP> | the bnx2 driver appears to have disappeared from testing's kernel |
| 09:10 | <azeem> | !br |
| 09:10 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 09:10 | <homer> | for some reason i don'g have sound on my computer, and a red cross on my volume control. when double clicking it i get two error messsages |
| 09:11 | <gsimmons> | !bnx2 |
| 09:11 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, bnx2 is the Broadcom NetXtreme II (BCM5706/5708) driver. Disabled since 'linux-2.6' 2.6.23-1 due to binary-only firmware, see http://bugs.debian.org/469349. |
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| 09:11 | <homer> | 1. no volume control GStreamer plubings and/or devices found. |
| 09:12 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 361] by debhelper |
| 09:12 | <cahoot> | homer: the sorry owner of a hda-intel device? |
| 09:13 | <homer> | cahoot, sorry don't understand the question |
| 09:13 | <cahoot> | homer: what kind of sounddevice/shipset? |
| 09:13 | <cahoot> | chipset |
| 09:13 | <homer> | oh, got ya |
| 09:14 | <homer> | checking |
| 09:14 | <homer> | alsa |
| 09:14 | <cahoot> | homer: cat /proc/asound/modules |
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| 09:15 | <homer> | no such path exists |
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| 09:15 | <cahoot> | so alsa isn't loaded |
| 09:15 | <cahoot> | try alsa restart as root |
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| 09:16 | <homer> | oh, i know it isn't loaded, sorry already did: |
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| 09:16 | <homer> | alsa reload, and alsa-utils start |
| 09:16 | <homer> | it always tell me that no module is loaded |
| 09:16 | <cahoot> | try alsa force-reload as root |
| 09:17 | <homer> | sais the same, none loaded |
| 09:17 | <cahoot> | lspci -v | grep -i audio |
| 09:18 | <homer> | wt8008:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| 09:18 | <homer> | I was looking for that command :) |
| 09:19 | <homer> | forgot it |
| 09:20 | <cahoot> | try modprobe intel8x0 |
| 09:20 | <cahoot> | err snd-intel8x0 |
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| 09:21 | <homer> | it's something my system should recognize as a command? |
| 09:21 | <cahoot> | try modprobe snd-intel8x0 (as root) |
| 09:22 | <homer> | FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found. |
| 09:22 | <homer> | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_intel8x0 |
| 09:22 | <cahoot> | homer: using debian? what kind of kernel? |
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| 09:22 | <homer> | it's the debian etch |
| 09:22 | <cahoot> | uname -r |
| 09:23 | <homer> | 2.6.18-ovz-028stab053.5 |
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| 09:23 | <cahoot> | homer: then that module has been in place, you or someone else ate it? |
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| 09:24 | <overflow> | Hi, I don't know why snd-hda-intel alsa module is not loaded at init |
| 09:24 | <cahoot> | err - you made you own kernel? |
| 09:24 | <cahoot> | err - you made you own kernel - homer |
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| 09:24 | <Guest2568> | what |
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| 09:25 | <homer> | no i didn'gt |
| 09:25 | <homer> | didn't |
| 09:25 | <homer> | it's the someone i installed debian with |
| 09:25 | <cahoot> | homer: who did? not a debiankernel is it? |
| 09:25 | <Gekz> | is synaptic any good/ |
| 09:25 | <Gekz> | I'm finding aptitude to be quite laggy |
| 09:26 | <homer> | cahoot, i am not a very experianced user of debian |
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| 09:26 | <homer> | and i am not sure i fully understand the question |
| 09:26 | <homer> | this is a net-inst installation no one tempared with |
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| 09:27 | <cahoot> | homer: well the kernelname looks like it's home made |
| 09:28 | <homer> | i am new to simple bash usage, I am not i a position i have any ability to rewrite and compile my own kernel :) |
| 09:28 | <homer> | so what do i do??? |
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| 09:28 | <homer> | it worked fine for a long time, and suddely on the fly it stopped, i came home and nadda |
| 09:29 | <azeem> | homer: try with a stock kernel then |
| 09:29 | <homer> | azeem, what is a stock kernel? |
| 09:30 | <azeem> | the Debian one |
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| 09:30 | <homer> | what do you mean i should do? |
| 09:30 | <azeem> | install the Debian kernel |
| 09:30 | <azeem> | and see whether that works better |
| 09:30 | <homer> | i don't know how to do that |
| 09:31 | <azeem> | or ask the person whoever installed the other kernel for you |
| 09:31 | <azeem> | homer: what CPU do you have |
| 09:31 | <homer> | can you give a short guide |
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| 09:31 | <homer> | no dude, i installed a net-inst installation from a disk, no one installed a kernel for me |
| 09:31 | <azeem> | from what disk? |
| 09:31 | <homer> | my CPU is amd athlonx64 3200 |
| 09:32 | <homer> | downloaded from the debian site |
| 09:32 | <azeem> | eh, no |
| 09:32 | <azeem> | homer: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 09:33 | <cahoot> | look like a product from openvz.org |
| 09:33 | <homer> | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 09:33 | <homer> | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 09:33 | <homer> | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 09:33 | <homer> | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 09:33 | <homer> | +++-==============-=================-============================================ |
| 09:33 | -!- | homer was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
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| 09:33 | <homer> | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:33 | <azeem> | homer: you forgot the "tail -1" |
| 09:33 | <azeem> | homer: are you ircing from that machine? |
| 09:33 | <homer> | something threw me out |
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| 09:33 | <azeem> | yeah, you pasted into the chane |
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| 09:33 | <azeem> | yeah, you pasted into the chane |
| 09:34 | <azeem> | 15:30 < azeem> homer: are you ircing from that machine? |
| 09:34 | <homer> | yep |
| 09:34 | <cahoot> | looks like the kernel is a product from openvz.org |
| 09:34 | <azeem> | homer: is this your own machine, or some virtual server or so? |
| 09:35 | <homer> | oh my god, i played with an installation of virtual server from openVZ when i wanted to install something similar to virtualBox |
| 09:35 | <azeem> | there you go |
| 09:35 | <homer> | but never finished the process |
| 09:35 | <homer> | how do i fix that then |
| 09:35 | <homer> | ? |
| 09:35 | <azeem> | homer: 15:28 < azeem> install the Debian kernel |
| 09:35 | <homer> | it shouldn't have changed my kernel |
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| 09:36 | <azeem> | homer: if you reboot, does grub present you with a menu? |
| 09:36 | <azeem> | homer: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" |
| 09:36 | <azeem> | !pastebin |
| 09:36 | <dpkg> | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 09:37 | <homer> | so how do i paste it without pasting??? |
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| 09:38 | <homer> | in a site and? |
| 09:38 | <cahoot> | read above |
| 09:38 | <azeem> | homer: did you read what dpkg said? |
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| 09:38 | <homer> | yes |
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| 09:39 | <homer> | it has some openVZ version there |
| 09:39 | <azeem> | did you paste on one of the sites already? |
| 09:39 | <homer> | and also a xen version that i messed around with |
| 09:39 | <azeem> | and you're telling us you don't know how to install packages? |
| 09:40 | <cahoot> | clickety-click? |
| 09:40 | <azeem> | homer: 15:36 < azeem> did you paste on one of the sites already? |
| 09:40 | <homer> | not yet finding one that has #debian in it |
| 09:40 | <azeem> | homer: please be a bit more cooperative, we're trying to help you |
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| 09:40 | <azeem> | eh? |
| 09:40 | <azeem> | homer: just paste |
| 09:40 | <azeem> | it doesn't matter |
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| 09:40 | <homer> | I know it just takes me a little time |
| 09:40 | <homer> | ok |
| 09:40 | <azeem> | homer: we wouldn't put those sites on there if they were unsuitable |
| 09:40 | <azeem> | homer: what's the resulting URL? |
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| 09:41 | <azeem> | homer: ? |
| 09:41 | <homer> | http://rafb.net/p/no40qn28.html |
| 09:41 | <homer> | i think |
| 09:41 | <azeem> | congrats, you mastered pastebin |
| 09:41 | <azeem> | oh shit |
| 09:42 | <azeem> | you didn't |
| 09:42 | <homer> | lol |
| 09:42 | <azeem> | you're supposed to paste the output of the command above |
| 09:42 | <azeem> | not "http://rafb.net/paste/" |
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| 09:42 | <homer> | what do you mean? |
| 09:42 | <azeem> | I suggest you just reinstall |
| 09:43 | <azeem> | I don't have time to introduce you to the concept of pastebinning |
| 09:43 | <homer> | oh sorry |
| 09:43 | <homer> | mistake |
| 09:43 | <homer> | give me a sec |
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| 09:44 | <homer> | http://rafb.net/p/Q1pRsx15.html |
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| 09:45 | <homer> | azeem, it's OK now? |
| 09:45 | <cahoot> | homer: you could also paste /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:45 | <homer> | yep, sec |
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| 09:46 | <Guest2569> | I have a problem |
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| 09:47 | <azeem> | !ask |
| 09:47 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 09:47 | <homer> | http://rafb.net/p/cxvVxB65.html |
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| 09:48 | <azeem> | homer: ok |
| 09:48 | <azeem> | just reboot and select "Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-6-486" |
| 09:48 | <azeem> | and not the Xen or OpenVZ one |
| 09:48 | <homer> | how do i remove them? |
| 09:48 | <azeem> | apt-get remove <package name> |
| 09:48 | <homer> | and make my right kernel the default one? |
| 09:48 | <homer> | oh great |
| 09:49 | <homer> | thanks man you ware very halpfull |
| 09:49 | <homer> | helpfull |
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| 09:50 | <homer> | I already uninstalled these xen and openVZ |
| 09:50 | <homer> | how can i remove their kernels? |
| 09:50 | <azeem> | eh |
| 09:50 | <azeem> | uninstalled what? |
| 09:50 | <azeem> | you mean remove the kernel from grub's menu.lst? |
| 09:50 | <homer> | apt-get remove xen and openVZ' |
| 09:50 | <azeem> | like that? |
| 09:51 | <azeem> | or the actual package names? |
| 09:51 | <homer> | the actual package names, i removed them |
| 09:51 | <azeem> | ok |
| 09:51 | <cahoot> | apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 linux-image-2.6.18-ovz-028stab053.5 |
| 09:51 | <homer> | yet it still boots from the kerner |
| 09:51 | <azeem> | then check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:51 | <azeem> | they shouldbe removed from there as well then |
| 09:51 | <homer> | but you saw my menu.lst |
| 09:52 | <azeem> | didn't you paste that before you removed the packages? |
| 09:52 | <azeem> | maybe I should clarify: |
| 09:52 | <azeem> | they should've been removed from there as well when you removed the packages |
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| 09:52 | <homer> | in that case they didn't |
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| 09:53 | <azeem> | homer: run update-grub then, maybe |
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| 09:54 | <homer> | ok, i will try that |
| 09:54 | <homer> | I am removing the existing leftovers from xen also |
| 09:54 | <homer> | give me a few secs |
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| 09:55 | <homer> | xen was removed, OVZ still there |
| 09:56 | <homer> | should i do what cahoot said? |
| 09:56 | <azeem> | what did he say? |
| 09:56 | <homer> | apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 linux-image-2.6.18-ovz-028stab053.5 |
| 09:56 | <azeem> | you said you did that already? |
| 09:56 | <azeem> | if not, then, of course, do so |
| 09:56 | <homer> | no, i said i removed the application itself |
| 09:56 | <azeem> | what? |
| 09:56 | <azeem> | howß |
| 09:57 | <homer> | apt-get remove openvz |
| 09:57 | <azeem> | oh well |
| 09:57 | <homer> | before, not now |
| 09:57 | <azeem> | I told you to remove those kernel images, not the applications |
| 09:57 | <homer> | oh, sorry, i will do that how |
| 09:57 | <homer> | now |
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| 09:58 | <homer> | apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.18-ovz-028stab053.5 |
| 09:58 | <homer> | i will do that |
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| 09:58 | <homer> | since already removed the xen application and it took the kernel with it |
| 09:59 | <homer> | now it's ok thanks alot |
| 09:59 | <homer> | azeem, thanks |
| 09:59 | <hellues> | !paste |
| 09:59 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:59 | <azeem> | cheers |
| 09:59 | <homer> | cahoot, thand a lot |
| 10:00 | <cahoot> | np - let's hope for a good reboot |
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| 10:01 | <homer> | yep i really hope if you see me in a minute or so it means everything is fine |
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| 10:01 | <hellues> | hey |
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| 10:02 | <cahoot> | hellues: didn't iwl9465 load? |
| 10:02 | <hellues> | http://paste.debian.net/1963/ seems my system recognize my wireless card but i cannnot use my wireless card what can reason be |
| 10:02 | <hellues> | no |
| 10:02 | <hellues> | can look address |
| 10:02 | <hellues> | i did dmesg seems everything is fine |
| 10:02 | <cahoot> | Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch |
| 10:03 | <cahoot> | see that? |
| 10:03 | <hellues> | what does that mean |
| 10:03 | <hellues> | is this problem i am begginner use |
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| 10:04 | <hellues> | actually that must be a problem what must i do |
| 10:04 | <cahoot> | I guess you have a switch on the computer to toggle - possibly via fn-F2 |
| 10:05 | <hellues> | eheh |
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| 10:05 | <hellues> | yes you are right :D |
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| 10:05 | <hellues> | wireless closed |
| 10:05 | <homer> | azeem, cahoot, every thing is working fine |
| 10:05 | <homer> | even sound is back :) |
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| 10:18 | <fatal> | does anyone know if there's a way to get Iceweasel 3 (beta) to stop jumping to current workspace when I open an URL? |
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| 10:29 | <hellues> | hey |
| 10:29 | <hellues> | Option "TransparentIndex" "integer" this options works nvidia-glx ? |
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| 10:36 | <Hungmanmoojoo> | hiya.. how do i change where my home is located? |
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| 10:37 | <Hungmanmoojoo> | i want to resize it but i cant do that if it is use.. |
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| 10:37 | <Hungmanmoojoo> | so i want to put my home dir in the same partition as root |
| 10:37 | <Simfonyous> | I deleted /var/log/mail.log , how can I properly recreate it? |
| 10:38 | <HypnoStick> | Bonjour |
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| 10:40 | <AsterX> | Anyone? |
| 10:40 | <Hungmanmoojoo> | hmmm. maybe i should try to go to single user mode and use parted |
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| 10:42 | <hever> | Hi how can I bring the nm-applet into a xfce4 panel ? Its not listed under xfapplet.. |
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| 10:43 | <azeem> | hever: it's a systray thing, not an applet |
| 10:43 | <azeem> | hever: so you need a notification area or something |
| 10:44 | <hever> | whoow kewl |
| 10:44 | <hever> | thanks ;) |
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| 11:03 | <AsterX> | gethostbyaddr(ipwashere) failed: 1 <- what does this mean in mail.info? |
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| 11:12 | <_abc_> | is anyone here who experiences crashes with ndiswrapper+2.6.24, 2.6.25 plus suspend/wakeup trouble ? no politics please. |
| 11:13 | <_abc_> | on debian of course |
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| 11:13 | <cahoot> | you really need ndis? |
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| 11:14 | <_abc_> | cahoot, the only other option is internet cafe or a morse key |
| 11:14 | <_abc_> | but let's focus on suspend&resume |
| 11:14 | <_abc_> | btw the same laptop works relatively well with 2.6.17.4 |
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| 11:14 | <_abc_> | but no suspend and fuse does not see ntfs |
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| 11:15 | <_abc_> | hw is asus laptop, core duo cpu, atheros-broadcom wlan |
| 11:15 | <WolfClaw> | thats two options not one so it cant be teh only option :D |
| 11:15 | <amphi> | _abc_: you use uswsusp or swsusp? |
| 11:16 | <_abc_> | WolfClaw, how fast can you morse key a 200kB mail file? :) |
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| 11:16 | <_abc_> | amphi, i am not sure. i use kde to manage power settings. where would i look for that? |
| 11:18 | <WolfClaw> | just getting some humor into the room :D |
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| 11:18 | <amphi> | _abc_: you talk about suspend to ram or suspend to disk? |
| 11:18 | <personman> | i don't get crashes, but sometimes my wifi comes up and sometimes not. I just sort of assumed it was the result of using some hack instead of a native driver |
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| 11:18 | <personman> | was the same with 2 laptops |
| 11:18 | <personman> | largely different hardware |
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| 11:19 | <personman> | maybe if i knew more about setting the load order in init scripts, i could load the ndiswrapper module earlier and avoid that, but i don't know know |
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| 11:20 | <hever> | Hi what is a good tool to configure the network interfaces, with a gui ? (nm-applet could only connect, not configure devices. On ubuntu it can also configure devices...) |
| 11:21 | <personman> | fortunately, native drivers are coming along...older hp laptop can use the new wifi stack and drivers, there is some preliminary testing on the relatively new pcie atheros chip on the newer laptop |
| 11:21 | <the-dude> | network-manager? |
| 11:22 | <personman> | if you dhcp |
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| 11:22 | <hever> | the-dude, I'm going to use it but there is no such executable... I installed all network-manager packages... |
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| 11:23 | <personman> | may have to be root to run it? |
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| 11:29 | <hever> | personman, I'm root if you meant me... |
| 11:30 | <personman> | try /etc/init.d/networkmanager start |
| 11:31 | <personman> | hmph can't really be sure, i don't network manager, have everything set statically |
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| 11:33 | <hever> | The network-manager works. But if I do a rightclick under ubuntu on the nm-applet I can configure the network devices... Under debian not. So how can I configure the network-manager network interfaces under debian ? |
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| 11:34 | <_abc_> | amphi, all: a more detailed description: suspend to ram, standby and hibernation all do not work, but: 2.6.17: no joy, 2.6.24: standby to disk works the first time, but after using ndis once, it freezes on the next wakeup, with flashing caps lock led. it is also unstable (crash after X minutes). 2.6.25 will not do anything on suspend/standby/hibernation |
| 11:34 | <personman> | try running network-admin |
| 11:34 | <personman> | hever: |
| 11:34 | -!- | You're now known as mikegrbfails |
| 11:35 | <_abc_> | also 2.6.24 and 25 feel MUCH slower than 2.6.17.4 |
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| 11:38 | <hever> | personman, my problem is: bash: network-admin: command not found |
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| 11:38 | <personman> | and thats as root? see if the executables are ihn /sbin or /usr/sbin |
| 11:38 | <personman> | sounds like something is broken or something |
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| 11:39 | <personman> | ill keep digging around |
| 11:39 | <hever> | personman, its not there ;) |
| 11:39 | <_abc_> | use locate |
| 11:39 | <_abc_> | anyway where does one take rants about performance issues? |
| 11:40 | <amphi> | _abc_: it doesn't suspend to disk if you do "echo disk > /sys/power/state"? |
| 11:40 | <_abc_> | making a 2x2GHz laptop feel like my old 486 is m$-ish :) |
| 11:40 | <_abc_> | amphi, suspend works, it never comes out of it or starts coming and freezes |
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| 11:42 | <personman> | looks like gnome-system-tools is the package it's supposed to be in |
| 11:42 | <amphi> | _abc_: did you try removing ndiswrapper and doing "echo disk > /sys/power/state" ? |
| 11:42 | <personman> | try apt-getting it |
| 11:42 | <personman> | hever: |
| 11:43 | * | pleb2 is back |
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| 11:45 | <hever> | personman, there is no network-admin only network-manager.... |
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| 11:46 | <_abc_> | amphi, i did it without any ndis |
| 11:46 | <personman> | according to the packages, it should be in gnome-system-tools, which should put it in /usr/bin |
| 11:47 | <hever> | personman, whow really ? that means I must install a half gnome desktop to run it.... |
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| 11:49 | <hever> | yes I just install gedit and gnome-terminal and some libs and I've also a gnome system ;) |
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| 11:50 | <ed__127983264> | hi guys. I am installing Debian 4.0 R3 from DVD and it is very stuck at o% on "Setting up the clock" this happens both with network card plugged in and not plugged in... |
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| 11:51 | <amphi> | _abc_: the kernel knows which partition to resume from? |
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| 11:51 | <ed__127983264> | ay ideas? |
| 11:52 | <_abc_> | amphi, yes, both cli and compiled in |
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| 11:52 | <personman> | i would check in to kernel command line parameters that effect the clock |
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| 11:52 | <amphi> | _abc_: did you try uswsusp (s2disk) ? |
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| 11:52 | <ed__127983264> | "affect" you mean? What should I look at? Will it be in the F1 menu at startup? |
| 11:52 | <personman> | /usr/src/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt, something like that, ed |
| 11:53 | <personman> | err /usr/src/linux* |
| 11:54 | <personman> | I really don't know much about that, just thought it might be something to check, hopefully someone more knowledgeable about that will come along |
| 11:55 | <personman> | you could try googling around and see if anyone else had the same problem, and how they fixed it |
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| 11:56 | <_abc_> | amphi that command is not installed here |
| 11:56 | <_abc_> | where do i find it? |
| 11:56 | <amphi> | uswsusp package, IIRC |
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| 11:57 | <_abc_> | amphi, what version do you have? i have 0.3? |
| 11:58 | <Piet> | tya_ce_cute^18^: are you human? |
| 11:58 | <ranix> | Piet: give him a turing test |
| 11:58 | <Piet> | just did |
| 11:59 | <amphi> | _abc_: I don't use uswsusp |
| 11:59 | <ranix> | can he tell the difference between an A with a cat on it and an upside down red squiggly grave accent |
| 11:59 | <ranix> | or describe love in 200 words |
| 11:59 | <ed__127983264> | I hae tried googling but there are few results... |
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| 12:00 | <ed__127983264> | i have tried passing clocksource=tsc clokc=tsc, let's see what happens |
| 12:00 | <Piet> | ranix: spam bots love describing love with 200+ words |
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| 12:01 | <Piet> | xchat/ubuntu isn't neccessarily the type of version string i'd expect from a bot, though, so /me back to sleep |
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| 12:02 | <_abc_> | you'll have to write upside down though, he/she is down under |
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| 12:03 | <tya_ce_cute^18^> | hy |
| 12:04 | <ed__127983264> | stopped on the clock again grrr |
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| 12:07 | <co_LibUrAn_j> | \server.dal.net.com |
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| 12:07 | <_abc_> | wrong slash direction. dos user? P; |
| 12:09 | <hever> | Where can I rename the wlan0_rename to wlan0 ? |
| 12:10 | <weasel> | ip link set <device> name <foo>? |
| 12:11 | <cahoot> | hever: try /msg/dpkg z25 |
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| 12:11 | <hever> | thank you weasel |
| 12:11 | <cahoot> | hever: err /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 12:13 | <ed__127983264> | any ideas for me? |
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| 12:17 | <personman> | ed: here are some things mentioned to consider, you may have seen this page already: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/problems-installing-debian-lenny.-573790/ |
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| 12:20 | <ed__127983264> | thanks for the link I'll see what I can do |
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| 12:27 | <hever> | I installed bcm43-fwcutter and I think it has done its job and extrated the firmware but how can I enable now my wlan card? |
| 12:27 | <bcochofel> | Hi, I'm trying to config user auth with LDAP. I've config pam, ldap and nss. One question. When I add a user with adduser shouldn't the user go to LDAP? |
| 12:29 | <zarchne> | bcochofel: unlikely. |
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| 12:30 | <zarchne> | bcochofel: adduser probably only manipulates /etc/passwd and friends, I don't think PAM has an "add" mechanism. |
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| 12:31 | <bcochofel> | zarchne: ok. but if I add an ldap user I should auth with it, right? I mean, it first try local accounts then go to LDAP? |
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| 12:32 | <zarchne> | bcochofel: I *think* so. |
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| 12:33 | <bcochofel> | zarchne: thx |
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| 12:37 | <ariel> | hi |
| 12:37 | <ariel> | i have a problem with bash |
| 12:38 | <zarchne> | ariel: so do I. |
| 12:38 | <ariel> | echo "\$no_var" |
| 12:38 | <ariel> | return $no_var in screen |
| 12:38 | <zarchne> | yeah... ? |
| 12:38 | <ariel> | ssh user@host echo "\$no_var" |
| 12:39 | <ariel> | i have keys |
| 12:39 | <zarchne> | keys? |
| 12:39 | <ariel> | not return |
| 12:39 | <ariel> | keys for ssh login |
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| 12:40 | <zarchne> | ariel: keep talking, I still don't know what your problem is. |
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| 12:41 | <ariel> | sorry zakame no speak english |
| 12:41 | <ariel> | the problem is |
| 12:41 | <zakame> | eh? |
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| 12:41 | <ariel> | echo "\$hello" return $hello in console (nice) |
| 12:42 | <ariel> | ssh user@host echo "\$hello" |
| 12:42 | <ariel> | no return $hello |
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| 12:42 | <ariel> | $hello is string not var |
| 12:42 | <zarchne> | ariel: okay, I understand now. |
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| 12:43 | <ariel> | this is the problem :( |
| 12:44 | <zarchne> | ariel: Let's see... |
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| 12:45 | <ariel> | zakame, ok |
| 12:45 | <ariel> | :) |
| 12:45 | <zarchne> | ariel: it's zarchne. |
| 12:46 | <ariel> | jajaj.. sorry |
| 12:46 | <zarchne> | ariel: ssh jrluser@localhost 'echo \$hello' |
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| 12:47 | <zarchne> | or echo '\$hello' |
| 12:47 | <ariel> | :o |
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| 12:48 | <ariel> | zarchne, thanks |
| 12:48 | <ariel> | zakame, ' not " :D |
| 12:48 | <ariel> | zarchne, thanks |
| 12:48 | <zarchne> | ariel: you're welcome. |
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| 12:49 | <zarchne> | ariel: oh, or ssh jrluser1@localhost echo \\\$hello |
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| 12:50 | <v4mpire> | hey guys i have a problem of not being able to use a normal session to login and it tells me to use a failsafe login or whatever it was |
| 12:50 | <v4mpire> | which im doing bt dunno what to do from here |
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| 12:50 | <v4mpire> | i have a current problem with apt too |
| 12:50 | <v4mpire> | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main iceweasel 2.0.0.12-0etch1 |
| 12:50 | <v4mpire> | 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80] |
| 12:50 | <ariel> | zarchne, ;) |
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| 12:50 | <v4mpire> | so i cant fix those issue's to be able to install anything else |
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| 12:52 | <zarchne> | v4mpire: you're trying to log into an X session as root? |
| 12:52 | <v4mpire> | no |
| 12:52 | <v4mpire> | as my normal user accound |
| 12:53 | * | nepbabu waves at everyone!!!! |
| 12:53 | <v4mpire> | i su'd to root for apt-get |
| 12:53 | * | nepbabu goes back to his stuff |
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| 13:01 | <hever> | What does "evdev: no more free evdev devices" mean ? |
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| 13:01 | <hever> | And how could I remove some wrong devices if there are some ? |
| 13:03 | <path> | such as? |
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| 13:03 | <hever> | wrong wlan setups... |
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| 13:04 | <path> | wlanconfig athx destroy would be an answer |
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| 13:05 | <hever> | wlanconfig ? is this a tool ? |
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| 13:15 | <kurumin> | hi |
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| 13:16 | <kurumin> | hi |
| 13:17 | <kurumin> | oi td bem?? |
| 13:17 | <ariel> | hola |
| 13:17 | <kurumin> | todo bien?? |
| 13:17 | <ariel> | si :) |
| 13:17 | <kurumin> | que bueno |
| 13:17 | <ariel> | por? |
| 13:17 | <kurumin> | hablas in portugues? |
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| 13:18 | <ariel> | no, en español |
| 13:18 | <kurumin> | no tiene problema |
| 13:18 | <kurumin> | yo soy del brasil |
| 13:18 | <ariel> | chileno |
| 13:18 | <ariel> | chile |
| 13:18 | <kurumin> | oh si |
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| 13:19 | <ariel> | kurumin, ubicas chile? |
| 13:20 | <kurumin> | si |
| 13:20 | <kurumin> | quantos años tu tiene? |
| 13:21 | <ariel> | 25 |
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| 13:22 | <kurumin> | ok |
| 13:22 | <kurumin> | yo tengo 12 |
| 13:22 | <kurumin> | es verdad |
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| 13:22 | <ariel> | :o |
| 13:22 | <kurumin> | rsrsr |
| 13:23 | <kurumin> | eres un hombre,sí? |
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| 13:24 | <kurumin> | ola.. |
| 13:24 | <path> | !es |
| 13:24 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:24 | <path> | !pt |
| 13:24 | <dpkg> | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 13:25 | <kurumin> | has saído?? |
| 13:25 | <path> | ariel, I guess you're from the south of Chile arent you? |
| 13:25 | <kurumin> | you soy del sul del brasil |
| 13:26 | <kurumin> | yo |
| 13:26 | <ariel> | path, yes south of chile |
| 13:26 | <kurumin> | ok |
| 13:27 | <ariel> | i am from temuco , chile |
| 13:27 | <kurumin> | tente hablar en portugues |
| 13:27 | <path> | ariel, nice place :) |
| 13:27 | <kurumin> | hable in espanõl então |
| 13:27 | <kurumin> | ok?? |
| 13:28 | <kurumin> | ola estás aí?? |
| 13:29 | <kurumin> | ia voy |
| 13:29 | <kurumin> | beijos |
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| 13:30 | <ariel> | kurumin quit :) |
| 13:30 | <ariel> | jajaja |
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| 13:31 | <tux> | hello |
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| 13:31 | <tux> | i've a quickcam express by logitech, and i would like to use it on skype2. |
| 13:31 | <tux> | i can't understand how to do it. |
| 13:31 | <tux> | can someone help me? |
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| 13:52 | <severinorumin> | #Debian-BR |
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| 13:55 | <severinorumin> | exit |
| 13:55 | <severinorumin> | eta porra |
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| 14:22 | <bcochofel> | can someone tell me the method to encrypt the pass used on migrationtools? |
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| 14:28 | <kop> | Ok, so I built a kernel with make-kpkg, made and initrd for it with mkinitrd, did update-grub, and now when booting I get the message "mkdir: cannot create directory `/devfs/vg00': Read-only file system", then "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs'", and then "Volume group "vg00" not found" and things go downhill from there. I swear I've seen this before but my brain is blank. What should I be doing to make this work? |
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| 14:34 | <kop> | ls / |
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| 14:34 | <jack_> | !audacity |
| 14:34 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, audacity is a multi-track audio editor. It is designed for easy recording, playing and editing of digital audio. Editing is very fast and provides unlimited undo/redo. To be found at http://audacity.sourceforge.net. |
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| 14:34 | <jack_> | anyone know how to record onscreen sound? |
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| 14:38 | <kop> | Duh. I should be using initramfs-tools, not mkinitrd. |
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| 14:40 | <personman> | try update-initramfs -k [version] -c |
| 14:40 | <personman> | or -u instead of -c to update |
| 14:40 | <personman> | kop: |
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| 14:51 | <cahoot> | jackarecord should be able |
| 14:51 | <cahoot> | jack arecord should be able |
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| 14:55 | <Stratman4300> | any good gnome programs out there for creating ISOs??? |
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| 14:57 | <weasel> | .oO( xterm? ) |
| 14:58 | <Stratman4300> | what are the proper commands??? |
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| 15:02 | <kop> | personman : Thanks. |
| 15:02 | <weasel> | my cheat sheet says |
| 15:02 | <weasel> | mkisofs -J -r -V 'Foo Bar Baz Qux Quux' -o foobar.iso /some/dir |
| 15:02 | <personman> | welcome :D |
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| 15:05 | <Stratman4300> | weasel: Thanks!! |
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| 15:15 | <ahboy> | hey guys i need some help with the installer im using the mini installer so its grabbing the packages off of the internet and installing them. I choose standard installation not desktop laptop or any thing other just standard, when i boot up the computer it brings me to a terminal log on not gnome, when i try to install fluxbox and run it, the error given is unable to connect to Xserver any ideas? |
| 15:16 | <Stratman4300> | ahboy: what command are you using to start x??? |
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| 15:16 | <fxinyBFPS63> | install xorg |
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| 15:16 | <Stratman4300> | ahboy: you'll also want to install a display manager xdm, or gdm |
| 15:17 | <ahboy> | i dont know how to start X i did X and it brings me to a gui but with just the mouse and a gray mesh background |
| 15:17 | <ahboy> | : ) |
| 15:17 | <personman> | command to start x should be startx :b |
| 15:17 | <Stratman4300> | ahboy: as root run apt-get install xorg fluxbox xdm |
| 15:17 | <ahboy> | aww okay |
| 15:17 | <Stratman4300> | ahboy: that will make sure you have all the necessary packages installed |
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| 15:18 | <ahboy> | stratman4300 your the best i wish i new that last night before i did another install ha |
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| 15:19 | <ahboy> | oh while im on a roll i might as well ask one more thing, During the install it asks me what kind of kernel i would like to use which one would be best? |
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| 15:19 | <ahboy> | never mind its doing 2.6.24 |
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| 15:21 | <ultratotor> | hell |
| 15:21 | <ultratotor> | o |
| 15:21 | <Stratman4300> | ahboy: yeah depending on the iso you downloaded it's usually pretty good about giving you the one you need |
| 15:22 | <Stratman4300> | anyone running lenny having any issues with evolution since the updates eariler today??? |
| 15:24 | <ahboy> | right on, Well i will stay on for awhile and look around on the net for some more info if i need it, if i cant find it i will be asking as little as possible here. My install is a bit diffrent and i cant find anyone in #debian-eee i go to there site but the support is limited. I hope i can get debian working would be alot better then per say eeebuntu. I use to use debian before and i loved it, Thanks Stratman4300 and this channel for be |
| 15:24 | <ahboy> | ing here :) |
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| 15:28 | <craigevil> | ahboy: its #debian-eeepc , im using kde on my eeepc and it runs just fine |
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| 15:28 | <ahboy> | oh yea :) craigevil nice to see someone else is using asus eee my only problem is im using the 2g so im limited to what i can put on the sd |
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| 15:29 | <craigevil> | ah i understand, my install is 1.4gb, but i have the 4gb sd |
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| 15:30 | <ahboy> | :) craigevil in the installer should i use just the standard and how come the X session doesnt start automatically on boot? |
| 15:31 | <ahboy> | Im at the part where i decide on the software selection theres Standard system already checked theres a Laptop above it too |
| 15:31 | <craigevil> | you have to install x and gdm/kdm/xdm, i have mine set to autologin, takes roughly 25seconds from the time i turn it on til im on my kde desktop |
| 15:31 | <ahboy> | aww okay |
| 15:31 | <ahboy> | like Stratman4300 said :) |
| 15:32 | <Stratman4300> | ahboy: yup yup |
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| 15:33 | <ahboy> | im installing the bare minimum standard system--- hence could i have just not selected any kind of software or would this cause problems for me later down the road |
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| 15:34 | <cwood> | ahboy: many people have different standards of minimal. For instance, maybe minimal is without the display manager that starts X on boot. |
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| 15:34 | <craigevil> | base/standard is fine then install xorg and either gmd/kdm/xdm and whatever window manager you choose to use |
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| 15:35 | <craigevil> | ahboy: dont choose the desktop or laptop both will install things you wont need |
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| 15:36 | <ahboy> | sounds good alright im done typing i took up alot of room as is thanks again Stratman4300, cwood and craigevil, Oh yea i just did the Standard system i was going to use the reserfs extention type but when with ext3 |
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| 15:36 | <cwood> | ahboy: you can always prune the bits you don't want after the installation. |
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| 15:37 | <hellues> | hey i have a problem with iceweasel |
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| 15:38 | <hellues> | i am writing a java program which is worked by sh files in html |
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| 15:38 | <ahboy> | apt-get remove --purge then the packages i want i believe |
| 15:38 | <hellues> | but iceweasel does not work that |
| 15:38 | <hellues> | how can i handle this |
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| 15:38 | <cwood> | What's an sh file in html? |
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| 15:39 | <hellues> | hmm |
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| 15:39 | <hellues> | look i am writing java file and i am writing html |
| 15:40 | <hellues> | when i open html in iceweasel it works sh files which define path pof my java file |
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| 15:41 | <cwood> | !tr |
| 15:41 | <dpkg> | [tr] türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 15:41 | <cwood> | Sorry, don't know Java myself. |
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| 15:42 | <hellues> | just a second |
| 15:43 | <hellues> | !paste |
| 15:43 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 15:44 | <hellues> | http://paste.debian.net/1994/ |
| 15:45 | <hellues> | can you look at that when i compile java file and when i do iceweasel X.html it downloads sh files but it must work sh files |
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| 15:47 | <cwood> | I don't think Iceweasel will automatically run a .sh file. |
| 15:47 | <cwood> | At least, not with the default settings. |
| 15:47 | <hellues> | hmm |
| 15:47 | <cwood> | And it shouldn't do that! |
| 15:47 | <hellues> | what can i do for running a .sh file ? |
| 15:47 | <hellues> | hmm |
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| 15:48 | <hellues> | in my school iceweasel run .sh file .D |
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| 15:48 | <cwood> | This is your school admin's setting, then. |
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| 15:49 | <hellues> | i understand how can i do that can you give an info |
| 15:49 | <cwood> | I don't know, sorry. |
| 15:50 | <cwood> | What are you trying to do overall? |
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| 15:50 | <hellues> | i try to run .sh file |
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| 15:50 | <Guest2619> | hello |
| 15:51 | <cwood> | No, I mean are you trying to output html, are you trying to get the user to run a java program, or what? |
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| 15:52 | <hellues> | basicly i want to run java file in html by using cgi |
| 15:53 | <cwood> | It sounds like you want a java applet using <object> ?? |
| 15:53 | <joshua6> | can anyone talk |
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| 15:53 | <hellues> | no |
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| 15:53 | <camahoru> | hola |
| 15:54 | <hellues> | i want to run java file in html helping with shell script |
| 15:54 | <joshua6> | anyone from k |
| 15:54 | <joshua6> | uk |
| 15:54 | <cwood> | I don't think you can run a java, shell, anything program from a cgi script without the user's permission. |
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| 15:54 | <witte> | !uk |
| 15:54 | <dpkg> | somebody said uk was great britain, northern ireland, wales and scotland |
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| 15:55 | <witte> | joshua6: if you have a question, you can just ask |
| 15:55 | <joshua6> | is there life after death |
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| 15:56 | * | cogwheel wonders what does a religious question do in #debian |
| 15:56 | <witte> | joshua6: no |
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| 15:57 | <joshua6> | i thought i was talking to a load of ghosts then |
| 15:57 | <gtk> | ??????????????'' |
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| 15:59 | <witte> | joshua6: if you have nothing better to do, go outside and play |
| 16:00 | <joshua6> | i am on the outside looking in |
| 16:01 | <joshua6> | tv time bye everybody |
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| 16:04 | <ptr> | is there a single command to list all groups that the system knows about? |
| 16:05 | <cwood> | cat /etc/group |
| 16:06 | <weasel> | getent group |
| 16:06 | <weasel> | shorter and more correct. |
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| 16:07 | <cwood> | How many people are using something more complicated than files here, out of nosiness? |
| 16:07 | <Mudassar> | HELLO |
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| 16:07 | <Mudassar> | Facing a serious problem |
| 16:07 | <weasel> | cwood: I do. |
| 16:07 | <Mudassar> | solution needed urgently |
| 16:07 | <weasel> | cwood: on more than half the machines I maintain. |
| 16:07 | <cwood> | aha, n/m then. |
| 16:08 | <rod> | hello. What happened to nvidia drivers on lenny? were they removed? |
| 16:08 | <Mudassar> | My internet connection via wifi stops working after some times .... in ubuntu |
| 16:08 | <Mudassar> | plz help |
| 16:08 | <weasel> | !ubuntu |
| 16:08 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:09 | <Mudassar> | where are the champions of ubuntu |
| 16:09 | <Mudassar> | ? |
| 16:09 | <weasel> | #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) |
| 16:09 | <weasel> | it even said so. |
| 16:09 | <cwood> | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:09 | <dpkg> | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 16:09 | <Mudassar> | join irc.freenode.net |
| 16:09 | <ranix> | if you are using a geforce2 or older throw it away |
| 16:10 | <ranix> | >:[ |
| 16:10 | <Mudassar> | my internet connection stops working after some time |
| 16:10 | <Mudassar> | plz help |
| 16:10 | <Mudassar> | any body there ? |
| 16:10 | <ranix> | Mudassar: nobody but us chickens |
| 16:10 | <weasel> | Mudassar: you are wrong here. go to the place I told you about. |
| 16:10 | <Mudassar> | where ? |
| 16:11 | <weasel> | #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) |
| 16:11 | <Mudassar> | but I got my problems solved here sometimes |
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| 16:11 | <weasel> | I'm _not_ going to say it a third time. |
| 16:11 | <Mudassar> | so somebody can solve this issue |
| 16:11 | <weasel> | if you are using ubuntu then you are abusing this channel |
| 16:11 | <weasel> | we don't *want* to help you here. |
| 16:11 | <Mudassar> | oh |
| 16:11 | <Mudassar> | sorry |
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| 16:11 | <Mudassar> | #ubuntu |
| 16:11 | <rod> | there is no nvidia-glx on lenny |
| 16:12 | <ptr> | weasel: thankee. |
| 16:12 | <weasel> | and for the love of all that's dear, learn to use your irc client properly |
| 16:12 | <ptr> | weasel: that said, it doesn't seem to know about ldap groups |
| 16:12 | <weasel> | ptr: what it knows about depends on where you tell it to look |
| 16:12 | <weasel> | ptr: /etc/nsswitch.conf is the magic knob |
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| 16:13 | <ptr> | weasel: cool. |
| 16:13 | <chealer> | !tell rod about ngd |
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| 16:13 | <ptr> | weasel: group: files ldap |
| 16:13 | <weasel> | and you have nss-ldap installed and configured correctly? |
| 16:14 | <weasel> | libnss-ldap or whatever it's called |
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| 16:15 | <ranix> | rod: nvidia-glx in lenny is very difficult to get. Your best bet is to backport it from sid. Ask the guys about backporting, I have only done it once |
| 16:15 | <ptr> | weasel: it seems so. There are files owned by groups provided by ldap, and ls -l represents that correctly |
| 16:16 | <weasel> | getent groups <groupname> |
| 16:16 | <weasel> | does that show you the group in question? |
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| 16:16 | <rod> | why is that? |
| 16:16 | <ptr> | weasel: yes. weird |
| 16:16 | <weasel> | ptr: something with listing is broken, I don't remember what |
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| 16:16 | <weasel> | it also doesn't really matter |
| 16:17 | <ptr> | cool, thanks. |
| 16:17 | <weasel> | what you can do - what I'm doing - is install nss-updatedb |
| 16:17 | <ranix> | rod: I assume a critical bug or incompatability. Few things would susprise me about the nvidia graphics drivers. The fact that they're the best doesn't mean they are good. |
| 16:17 | <weasel> | and run "nss-updatedb ldap" hourly or so |
| 16:17 | <weasel> | and switch your /etc/nsswitch.conf to "files db" |
| 16:17 | <ranix> | king of garbage isn't a fancy title |
| 16:17 | <rod> | damn! |
| 16:17 | <weasel> | (for passwd too, if you want too.) |
| 16:17 | <weasel> | that way you get a local copy of all the data, |
| 16:17 | <cwood> | ranix: if getting a new system right now, where would you buy your graphics hardware? |
| 16:17 | <weasel> | and safe the round trip times to the ldap server and stuff |
| 16:18 | <ranix> | cwood: :( I don't know |
| 16:18 | <rod> | and what's this hassle about firefox? iceweasel is ugly |
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| 16:19 | <ranix> | cwood: nvidia is on the expensive side lately, but I don't think I'd want to support ATI's even worse driver support just because they're less expensive |
| 16:19 | <ranix> | cwood: I am using a secondhand 7600 on my windows computer |
| 16:20 | <cwood> | Hm. Been using my GeForce4 since it came out, but only the propietary drivers can do 1680x1050 for my monitor last I checked. Hrmph. |
| 16:20 | <ranix> | intel integrated graphics are getting better |
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| 16:20 | <ranix> | via is still chugging along with integrated s3 chipsets you don't hear much about |
| 16:20 | <ranix> | I don't know where Matrox is these days |
| 16:21 | <overflow> | ranix, I suppose that ATI is getting better linux driver support or at least that was what the say about it |
| 16:21 | <ranix> | overflow: I'll believe that when I see source and non-polling vsync |
| 16:21 | <overflow> | me too |
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| 16:22 | <curtis> | hello |
| 16:22 | <curtis> | anyone there? |
| 16:22 | <ranix> | yo |
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| 16:22 | <overflow> | hey |
| 16:22 | <curtis> | whats up |
| 16:22 | <ranix> | complaining about nvidia drivers |
| 16:22 | <ranix> | you? |
| 16:23 | <curtis> | my laptop internet does not work. |
| 16:23 | <ranix> | man I wish I had a laptop internet |
| 16:23 | <overflow> | curtis, damn |
| 16:23 | <overflow> | ranix, heh |
| 16:23 | <curtis> | yes. it is nice but the internet does not work. |
| 16:24 | <curtis> | you think that you can help me get a driver for it? |
| 16:24 | <curtis> | ? |
| 16:24 | <overflow> | curtis, maybe .. |
| 16:24 | <curtis> | it is a 802.11g Wireless LAN |
| 16:24 | <curtis> | thanks overflow. |
| 16:24 | <overflow> | Oo |
| 16:24 | <overflow> | like mine |
| 16:24 | <curtis> | you have the same one? |
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| 16:25 | <overflow> | who's the fabricant? |
| 16:25 | <curtis> | what is that? |
| 16:25 | <curtis> | i just got it and new with computers. |
| 16:25 | <curtis> | sorry. |
| 16:25 | <curtis> | ? |
| 16:25 | <curtis> | overflow you there? |
| 16:26 | <ahboy> | hey Stratman4300 you any where around? I got gdm and xorg installed, and now i finally have a logon gui when i enter my user name and password it goes into the system with a terminal top left corner and i can see the background to the right and bottom it. I dont seem to have a tool bar at the bottom im probably missing something, along the way |
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| 16:26 | <overflow> | curtis, lspci | grep -i net |
| 16:26 | <curtis> | what is that? |
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| 16:26 | <overflow> | curtis, first, are you using debian ? |
| 16:26 | <curtis> | no. ubuntu 8.04. |
| 16:27 | <cwood> | !ubuntu |
| 16:27 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:27 | <ahboy> | Oh how do i install gnome? well that would help i guess |
| 16:27 | <ranix> | apt-get install gnome |
| 16:27 | <ranix> | ? |
| 16:27 | <ahboy> | aww thanks ranix |
| 16:27 | <ahboy> | :) |
| 16:27 | <ranix> | np |
| 16:27 | <curtis> | overflow are you there? |
| 16:28 | <overflow> | curtis, yes |
| 16:28 | <weasel> | take your ubuntu support somewhere else, thanks. |
| 16:28 | <overflow> | !ubuntu |
| 16:28 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:28 | <curtis> | what is that code for? |
| 16:28 | <curtis> | where do enter that code? |
| 16:28 | <ranix> | Ubuntu is linux for little girls and their dolls, see #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net curtis |
| 16:29 | <ahboy> | Debian is the you know what, Ubuntu is crap |
| 16:29 | <ahboy> | oh ranix |
| 16:29 | <ahboy> | you beat me too it |
| 16:29 | <curtis> | why don't you use ubuntu? |
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| 16:29 | <ranix> | because I am neither a little girl nor a doll |
| 16:30 | <overflow> | curtis, coz we are smart :) |
| 16:30 | <weasel> | curtis: really. this is offtopic for this channel. |
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| 16:30 | <ahboy> | I have Ubuntu on one of my desktops and i can tell you it doesnt have this kind of power. Debian is what its mentioned to be fully customizable |
| 16:30 | <ranix> | in this conversation, ubuntu lacks horsepower |
| 16:30 | <ranix> | vroom vroom |
| 16:30 | <ranix> | cflags kicking in |
| 16:30 | <ahboy> | perfect for my little 2g asus eee surf |
| 16:30 | <curtis> | will the internet work if i use debian? |
| 16:30 | <ahboy> | all day |
| 16:30 | <weasel> | the internet already works. |
| 16:31 | <ranix> | curtis: the internet isn't going anywhere regardless of your os choice |
| 16:31 | <curtis> | not for my wireless card. |
| 16:31 | <overflow> | lol |
| 16:31 | <ahboy> | all day ndiswrapper |
| 16:31 | <overflow> | thanks god! :) |
| 16:31 | <ahboy> | :) |
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| 16:31 | <curtis> | can you get me the driver for ndiswrapper? |
| 16:32 | <ahboy> | apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils |
| 16:32 | <curtis> | i have the one off gateway but it is .exe and does not work |
| 16:32 | <ahboy> | apt-get install ndiswrapper-common |
| 16:32 | <ahboy> | i believe |
| 16:32 | <curtis> | ? |
| 16:32 | <curtis> | what is that to install it? |
| 16:32 | <ahboy> | curtis what kind of wireless card do you have? |
| 16:32 | <overflow> | curtis, you need to use the console |
| 16:32 | <overflow> | curtis, the terminal |
| 16:32 | <curtis> | one sec. |
| 16:33 | <curtis> | i am new with computers. |
| 16:33 | <ahboy> | if its not atheros based you will need the winxp drivers for your card simply, ndiswrapper -i yourdriver.inf , then modprobe ndiswrapper wireless support your done |
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| 16:34 | <ahboy> | well atheros and what ever other drivers are supported out of the box |
| 16:34 | <ranix> | omg how did this get here I am not good with computer |
| 16:34 | <ranix> | :( |
| 16:34 | <curtis> | 802.11g Wireless LAN |
| 16:34 | <curtis> | what would i type in with the terminal? |
| 16:35 | <ahboy> | curtis do you have a ethernet connection? |
| 16:35 | <curtis> | right now? |
| 16:35 | <weasel> | no, yesterday |
| 16:35 | <ahboy> | connect that in and type apt-get install ndiswrapper |
| 16:36 | <curtis> | okay one sec... in terminal? |
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| 16:36 | <ahboy> | yes |
| 16:36 | <ahboy> | well hold on |
| 16:36 | <curtis> | okay. |
| 16:36 | <tj_> | <-- installed fglrx drivers for X1200 ATI..... looking at xorg.conf and shows 2 video drivers loading.... would someone look at it and tell me my next course of action to clean up the leftover issues? http://debian.pastebin.com/d44e9e890 |
| 16:36 | <ahboy> | curtis type su |
| 16:36 | <overflow> | curtis, look for terminal app |
| 16:36 | <ahboy> | in terminal |
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| 16:36 | <curtis> | one sec |
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| 16:36 | <curtis> | i am going up stairs to connect. |
| 16:37 | <weasel> | (go to #ubuntu while you're at it) |
| 16:37 | <weasel> | you are abusing this channel |
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| 16:38 | * | cwood offers the channel candy to come sit in his van. |
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| 16:38 | <curtis> | okay now what |
| 16:38 | <curtis> | ? |
| 16:38 | <cwood> | You want to: 1) /part #debian 2) /join #ubuntu 3) ask your question there. |
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| 16:39 | <ahboy> | then your password then you will type apt-get install ndiswrapper find your disk that has your wireless drivers on it and place it into your computer navigate and find the folder named drivers in example and copy it all to your desktop. there should be a file with .inf extention. IN the terminal navigate to your desktop directory cd /home/yourusername/Desktop then you will type ndiswrapper -i thefilename.inf, After thats done do a modpr |
| 16:40 | <ahboy> | obe ndiswrapper , Now your almost there type iwconfig look for your wireless extention. wlan0 maybe so type iwlist wlan0 scan look for your essid then type iwconfig wlan0 essid namegoeshere then type iwconfig wlan0 mode managed then type iwconfig wlan0 key restricted keygoeshere then type ifup wlan0 done |
| 16:41 | <tj_> | <----thinks everything ahboy (albeit in good efforts) went in one of curtis's ear and out the other. |
| 16:41 | <ahboy> | curtis thats being spoon fed all the way through. I |
| 16:41 | <ahboy> | yea probably did |
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| 16:41 | <weasel> | ahboy: you are just as bad as curtis btw. |
| 16:41 | <ahboy> | not too bad |
| 16:42 | <tj_> | curtis.... you obviously have an internet connection... copy ahboys info to text file and then look up on google how it works... the only way. |
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| 16:43 | <overflow> | but |
| 16:43 | <tj_> | hows about somone taking a look at my xorg.conf... why didnt the fglrx driver install remove or disable "vesa"? http://debian.pastebin.com/d44e9e890 |
| 16:44 | <overflow> | ahboy, are you sure that curtis have problems with wireless NIC and not with wired NIC? |
| 16:44 | <ahboy> | weasel im just not use to setting up gdm and xorg, Ubuntu got the best of me |
| 16:44 | <tj_> | <---thinks xorg.conf is a big ole mess |
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| 16:44 | <weasel> | ahboy: the point is, we don't care about anything ubuntu in here. and I think that's a fine point for EOD for now. |
| 16:44 | <userdude99> | does anyone know a freenx repo for freenx for lenny ? |
| 16:44 | <ahboy> | overflow he wants to set up his wireless |
| 16:45 | <tj_> | agreed with weasel |
| 16:45 | <ahboy> | im not sure about his wired network, |
| 16:45 | <overflow> | oh i saw it |
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| 16:46 | <ahboy> | weasel dont want to get on the wrong side just a bit offended :) thats all. No hard feelings toward you i just realize that i did ask alot |
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| 16:46 | <userdude99> | anyone got an idea ? |
| 16:46 | <j00bar> | dondelelcaro: ping? |
| 16:46 | <cwood> | !apt-get.org |
| 16:46 | <dpkg> | http://www.apt-get.org A collection of various unofficial package sources. |
| 16:47 | <userdude99> | ok, thanks, lemme check |
| 16:49 | <tj_> | so, lemme just ask this... I have 2 "Device" sections with drivers vesa and fglrx. vesa has my ATI card BusID and fglrx has no BusID at all... can i confidently just move the BusID to fglrx and remove the vesa device section? |
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| 16:55 | <userdude99> | apt-get.org doesn't have any recent packages -_- |
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| 16:58 | <cwood> | userdude99: you could compile and host it yourself. :) |
| 16:59 | <userdude99> | hmm, not the worst idea, but i am lazy *_* |
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| 17:02 | <kurumin> | renato |
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| 17:14 | <curtis> | i need help with my laptop wireless internet? |
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| 17:14 | <curtis> | can anyone help? |
| 17:14 | <curtis> | ? |
| 17:14 | <curtis> | hello |
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| 17:16 | <ahboy> | hey guys is there a speed diffrence between xdm and gdm? is one lighter then the other? and lets say xdm is faster then gdm can i put gnome on top of xdm? |
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| 17:17 | <craigevil> | not much of a speed difference, xdm may be a bit lighter space wise |
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| 17:19 | <tj_> | curtis, PM me |
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| 17:20 | <valdyn> | ahboy: why would it matter which is lighter? |
| 17:20 | <valdyn> | ahboy: you can put gnome on either |
| 17:21 | <ahboy> | valdyn i have a asus 2g laptop so i have 2 gigs worth of hd room to work with well its really sd |
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| 17:22 | <valdyn> | ahboy: xdm is alot smaller , both arent exactly big |
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| 17:22 | <valdyn> | ahboy: apt-cache show xdm | grep Installed-Size |
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| 17:23 | <ahboy> | oh thats a real handy command valdyn thanks |
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| 17:23 | <witte> | ahboy: you could also use wdm, that has a menu, but is quite light |
| 17:24 | <davi> | Will the apt-get dist-upgrade to KDE 4.1 in lenny be smart with all my kmail configuration? |
| 17:25 | <tj_> | <wonders what it means "kernel tainted" doesnt sound good. |
| 17:25 | <witte> | davi: i don't think kde4.1 will be in lenny |
| 17:25 | <cwood> | !tainted |
| 17:25 | <dpkg> | tainted is, like, the state of your kernel when non-free modules (e.g. NVdriver) are loaded into it. Kernel hackers will not support tainted kernels. |
| 17:25 | <valdyn> | davi: only if the new kmail supports the old configuration |
| 17:25 | <witte> | davi: and in any case, if you want to upgrade yourself, please do a backup beforehand |
| 17:26 | <valdyn> | davi: ( which it likely does ) |
| 17:27 | <tj_> | cwood... answers that. |
| 17:27 | <ahboy> | nice |
| 17:27 | * | cwood is still plumbing the depths of the bot's wisdom. |
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| 17:29 | <tj_> | <---- has yet another question... Looking at dmesg... there is alot going on at boot that i would like to "trim the fat" if its not in /etc/modules... where else can i look to prevent things i dont need from loading? |
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| 17:30 | <cwood> | !modconf |
| 17:30 | <dpkg> | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855, or note: already loaded modules will not be automatically added to /etc/modules |
| 17:31 | <deepfrze> | debhelper: I just updated Icedove and now I am unable to send or reply to mail. Has anyone else had trouble? |
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| 17:31 | <tj_> | thanx... looking into that |
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| 17:35 | <witte> | deepfrze: which debian version? |
| 17:36 | <deepfrze> | witte: Lenny. |
| 17:37 | <deepfrze> | witte: I just noticed that none of the menu items will drop down. |
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| 17:37 | <witte> | deepfrze: you restarted icedove already? |
| 17:38 | <deepfrze> | witte: yes, but haven't rebooted |
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| 17:38 | <deepfrze> | witte: address book loads and I am receiving new mail |
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| 17:39 | <witte> | deepfrze: in principle that shouldn't be needed, maybe restart X, but i doubt it as there isn't a major upgrade lately |
| 17:39 | <witte> | deepfrze: so it works? |
| 17:39 | <deepfrze> | witte: can't send email, reply to email or can't get access to the menu items |
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| 17:41 | <witte> | maybe some underlying tool is upgraded as well, try restarting X if that would not cause any problem |
| 17:41 | <verxion> | I am having some trouble with a debian box, was wondering if someone might be able to help me |
| 17:41 | <cwood> | !ask |
| 17:41 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:41 | <cwood> | I don't talk anymore, I just invoke the bot. |
| 17:41 | <verxion> | hehehe |
| 17:41 | <verxion> | how ya doing cwood |
| 17:41 | <verxion> | been a long long time |
| 17:42 | <cwood> | Not sure who you are... |
| 17:42 | <verxion> | ok, so basically, this debian box is old |
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| 17:42 | <verxion> | it won't install a new perl |
| 17:42 | <weasel> | are you running unstable? |
| 17:42 | <verxion> | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:42 | <verxion> | perl-modules: Depends: perl (>= 5.10.0-1) but 5.8.8-12 is to be installed |
| 17:42 | <verxion> | E: Broken packages |
| 17:42 | <weasel> | yes, you are. |
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| 17:42 | <weasel> | silly you. |
| 17:42 | <verxion> | heh |
| 17:42 | <tj_> | <--- just messed up.... what command to undo a apt-get remove with multiple packages? |
| 17:43 | <weasel> | if you run unstable these things happen. |
| 17:43 | <weasel> | wait for a few days |
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| 17:43 | <weasel> | either you shouldn't run sid or you shouldn't be asking |
| 17:43 | <cwood> | weasel: on the other hand, some people run Sid to learn this stuff. |
| 17:43 | <verxion> | well I think that is fair enough |
| 17:43 | <verxion> | at the time I needed sid for hardware support |
| 17:43 | <verxion> | (at installation time) |
| 17:43 | <verxion> | but that has been a long time ago now |
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| 17:44 | <verxion> | I would bet money that stable would be fine for me now |
| 17:44 | <verxion> | but if possible, I would prefer not to do an entire re-install |
| 17:44 | <cwood> | You could always reinstall to Stable, or change your sources to stable and wait for Debian to catch up, or you could use backports, or stuff. |
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| 17:44 | <cwood> | And why do you need a new Perl? |
| 17:44 | <verxion> | heh |
| 17:44 | <witte> | verxion: as long as you don't need perl 5.10, you can just stay using 5.8 until the sid problems are solved |
| 17:44 | <verxion> | well, I was trying to install finch |
| 17:44 | <verxion> | so it was a chain reaction from there |
| 17:45 | <cwood> | Things sound a bit fluffed. |
| 17:45 | <verxion> | finch: Depends: libpurple0 (>= 2.4.1-1+b1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 17:45 | <verxion> | E: Broken packages |
| 17:45 | <verxion> | cwood: I agree |
| 17:45 | <deepfrze> | witte: okay, restarted x and it's okay, thanks for the help |
| 17:45 | <verxion> | I was wanting a cl im tool |
| 17:45 | <verxion> | don't absolutely need it |
| 17:45 | <verxion> | but I thought I would give one a try |
| 17:45 | <witte> | deepfrze: great, you're welcome |
| 17:45 | <verxion> | finch looked like it might be good |
| 17:45 | <cwood> | verxion: sounds like you want a stable box for stable stuff, and an unstable box to try the latest/shiniest on. |
| 17:46 | <witte> | verxion: so just wait a few days, such problems are generally solved within a week |
| 17:46 | <witte> | verxion: or try to compile 5.10 yourself |
| 17:46 | <verxion> | witte: well I confess I wasn't knowledgeable enough to identify that the problem was with the unstable packages themselves - I assumed it was something like I just had too old of a distro |
| 17:47 | <witte> | verxion: if you use unstable you always have the newest |
| 17:47 | <verxion> | well, in theory, yes |
| 17:47 | <verxion> | I haven't exactly been doing "apt-get upgrade" like... ever. :) |
| 17:47 | <witte> | verxion: at least if you upgrade every now and then (read often enough) |
| 17:47 | <verxion> | heh, see above. :) |
| 17:48 | <witte> | verxion: ok, first do apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:48 | <witte> | verxion: and pray |
| 17:48 | <witte> | :-) |
| 17:48 | <verxion> | uname -a |
| 17:48 | <verxion> | Linux fw 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Tue Aug 16 14:00:15 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:48 | <verxion> | I think the praying would end up in an unusable system |
| 17:48 | <verxion> | but I suppose I could be wrong |
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| 17:48 | <weasel> | that's quite an ancient kernel you're runnin |
| 17:48 | <verxion> | I know |
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| 17:48 | <verxion> | been an awesome system |
| 17:48 | <witte> | verxion: it seems you are running a system that was unstable in sarge time |
| 17:49 | <verxion> | witte: yeah |
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| 17:49 | <verxion> | like I said, it is an old box |
| 17:49 | <witte> | verxion: well no problem with that, i have some of those as well, but I usually keep them up to date :-) |
| 17:49 | <verxion> | witte: heheh |
| 17:49 | <verxion> | well here is the thing |
| 17:50 | <witte> | verxion: first i would change the sources.list to testing |
| 17:50 | <verxion> | I can work my way through a complete reinstall if I have to |
| 17:50 | <verxion> | so if that is what I have to do, I can do that |
| 17:50 | <witte> | and hope that you are completely behind on testing |
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| 17:50 | <verxion> | I would PREFER to upgrade in place |
| 17:50 | <witte> | verxion: you can upgrade, but i would not upgrade to unstable, but to testing |
| 17:50 | <verxion> | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 17:51 | <verxion> | that is what I have right now |
| 17:51 | <witte> | verxion: change sid to lenny |
| 17:51 | <verxion> | ok, thanks |
| 17:51 | <verxion> | been very behind on this stuff, my apologies |
| 17:51 | <witte> | verxion: i am not sure that will work out fine, but we will see |
| 17:51 | <verxion> | I blame the stability |
| 17:51 | <verxion> | :) |
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| 17:51 | <verxion> | ie, if it had had massive problems at any point, I probably would have done something about it before now |
| 17:52 | <verxion> | but it has been awesome |
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| 17:52 | <witte> | verxion: well, we will try to get it to a recent system, so that it can run for a few more years :-) |
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| 17:53 | <witte> | verxion: if you never did any upgrade, we even might try to migrate to debian stable |
| 17:53 | <witte> | but if you did some new installs now and then this would end up in a mixed system |
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| 17:53 | <witte> | that is why i advised lenny (which is the current testing) |
| 17:54 | <cwood> | You can always move first to stable, then testing, then unstable in your sources.list, perhaps? |
| 17:54 | <witte> | cwood: he does not want to be in unstable anymore |
| 17:55 | <cwood> | Oh, I see. |
| 17:55 | <witte> | cwood: when he installed he needed at least a 2.6.8 kernel i guess :P, so etch would be fine |
| 17:55 | <witte> | but if he now has some programs installed from sid, and the libraries with it, that could lead to a lot of problems |
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| 17:56 | <witte> | I think migrating to lenny should be no problem, as he would be able to run unstable packages... |
| 17:56 | <verxion> | ok, the update finished |
| 17:56 | <verxion> | so now a "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
| 17:56 | <verxion> | er |
| 17:56 | <witte> | !sarge->etch |
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| 17:57 | <verxion> | now an "apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 17:57 | <dondelelcaro> | you really want to use aptitude, not apt-get... |
| 17:57 | <verxion> | 111 packages for an upgrade, lol |
| 17:57 | <witte> | i believe there are some steps in between (because there are things like udev) |
| 17:57 | <verxion> | I didn't start it - just wanted to see how much it would involve |
| 17:58 | <witte> | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 17:58 | <dpkg> | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support for sarge ends on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
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| 17:58 | <verxion> | I am not familiar with udev |
| 17:58 | <cwood> | !udev |
| 17:58 | <dpkg> | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules> |
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| 17:58 | <verxion> | ahh, devfs replacement |
| 17:58 | <verxion> | thanks |
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| 18:00 | <verxion> | wow |
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| 18:00 | <witte> | verxion: well, you shouldn't know a lot about it, but have a look at the release notes that state which steps you should take to upgrade from a system more or less such as yours |
| 18:00 | <verxion> | the um, release notes... are epic |
| 18:00 | <verxion> | on the up side, the system in question is 100% cl |
| 18:00 | <verxion> | so that should reduce the potential impacts considerably I would think |
| 18:01 | <witte> | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-minimal_upgrade |
| 18:01 | <witte> | start there |
| 18:01 | <verxion> | ok, thanks |
| 18:02 | <verxion> | upgrade is running |
| 18:02 | <verxion> | well, drat |
| 18:02 | <verxion> | I ran it as apt-get |
| 18:02 | <verxion> | isn't aptitude just the multi-distro version of apt-get? |
| 18:02 | <verxion> | or am I remembering wrong? |
| 18:02 | <witte> | !aptitude |
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| 18:02 | <dpkg> | methinks aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
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| 18:03 | <verxion> | ok |
| 18:03 | <verxion> | after the upgrade is done |
| 18:03 | <verxion> | if it doesn't install aptitude on its own |
| 18:03 | <verxion> | I will install it |
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| 18:05 | <verxion> | hrm |
| 18:05 | <verxion> | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.28.4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 18:05 | <dpkg> | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 18:05 | <verxion> | trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/add-shell', which is also in package passwd |
| 18:05 | <verxion> | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 18:05 | <verxion> | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:05 | <verxion> | /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.28.4_i386.deb |
| 18:05 | <verxion> | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:06 | <witte> | !paste |
| 18:06 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:06 | <verxion> | ok, will do |
| 18:06 | <verxion> | sorry |
| 18:07 | <verxion> | http://paste.debian.net/2009 |
| 18:07 | <verxion> | I think that will show it... |
| 18:07 | <witte> | which was the command that you were running? |
| 18:07 | <verxion> | apt-get upgrade |
| 18:08 | <verxion> | I spaced it when that line said to run aptitude upgrade |
| 18:08 | <witte> | did you do the steps as mentioned in the releasenotes |
| 18:08 | <witte> | ah, ok |
| 18:08 | <verxion> | it said "first run: # aptitude upgrade" |
| 18:08 | <witte> | indeed |
| 18:08 | <verxion> | too many years of apt-get |
| 18:08 | <witte> | verxion: try it again |
| 18:08 | <verxion> | my fingers typed it without thinking. :( |
| 18:09 | <verxion> | with apt-get? |
| 18:09 | <witte> | verxion: in principle it should be the same |
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| 18:10 | <witte> | verxion: yes, you can use apt-get as well, aptitude is just an improved version of apt-get |
| 18:10 | <verxion> | http://paste.debian.net/2010 |
| 18:10 | <verxion> | apt-get gave the same error, aptitude was slightly different, but I think just with extra fluff |
| 18:10 | <witte> | verxion: aptitude install passwd |
| 18:10 | <verxion> | ie, apt-get didn't try to recover |
| 18:11 | <verxion> | same error |
| 18:11 | <verxion> | let me take a look at that program |
| 18:11 | <verxion> | maybe I can mv /usr/sbin/add-shell to another filename |
| 18:11 | <verxion> | and kindof skirt this issue |
| 18:11 | <witte> | verxion: that wont help i guess |
| 18:12 | <witte> | but you will have to toy around with your system a lot before everything will work :-) |
| 18:12 | <verxion> | heh |
| 18:12 | <verxion> | it didn't work |
| 18:12 | <verxion> | gave the same error |
| 18:12 | <verxion> | which confuses me... |
| 18:12 | <verxion> | (I am easily confused) |
| 18:13 | <verxion> | so I am guessing then that when it says overwrite, it isn't really talking about the filesystem |
| 18:14 | <verxion> | even though it LOOKS like the error is talking about the filesystem |
| 18:14 | <verxion> | otherwise the mv should have gotten past that error |
| 18:15 | <witte> | i don't think the filesystem has anything to do with it |
| 18:15 | <verxion> | interesting |
| 18:15 | <witte> | verxion: dpkg -r --force_all passwd;aptitude install passwd |
| 18:16 | <verxion> | ok |
| 18:16 | <witte> | !coffee witte |
| 18:16 | * | dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for witte, courtesy of witte |
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| 18:16 | <verxion> | that didn't change it. :( |
| 18:16 | <verxion> | I did find some info about possibly skirting around it |
| 18:16 | <mark76> | Hello Debian people |
| 18:16 | <verxion> | howdy mark76 |
| 18:17 | <mark76> | I burnt a live CD of Debian yesterday |
| 18:17 | <cwood> | They have those? |
| 18:17 | <mark76> | Oh yes |
| 18:17 | <mark76> | Takes a bit of finding though |
| 18:17 | <cwood> | Where? |
| 18:18 | <verxion> | cwood: so someone mentioned removing the file from /var/lib/dpkg/info/passwd.list might get around it |
| 18:18 | <mark76> | Erm |
| 18:18 | <mark76> | HAng on |
| 18:18 | <verxion> | but I suspect that is gonna bite me later |
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| 18:18 | <cwood> | verxion: the problem is that your package manager sees one file in two packages, debian-utils and passwd. |
| 18:18 | <mark76> | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:18 | <cwood> | mark76: wow, we have everything these days. |
| 18:19 | <mark76> | Indeed |
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| 18:19 | <verxion> | cwood: ahh. if I removed it from one of the two .list files, then it SHOULD work by having the file get replaced in the one I don't remove it from... right? |
| 18:19 | <cwood> | verxion: you might need some way to fiddle upgrading each one at a time. I wouldn't touch the .list files, myself. |
| 18:19 | <verxion> | ie, by "work" I mean the end result should be what we want, right? |
| 18:19 | <cwood> | verxion: what happens if you try to upgrade each one with apt-get install <name> ? |
| 18:19 | <mark76> | Except, it would seem, support for network connection on a Compaq SR5219 connected to the net via an NTL cabel modem |
| 18:19 | <verxion> | the same error |
| 18:19 | <cwood> | Like, you can't upgrade debian-utils without it clashing with passwd, so can you try apt-get install passwd ?? |
| 18:20 | <verxion> | I did try it - got the same error |
| 18:20 | <cwood> | At this stage, I'd probably download the debs, remove the packages manually, and then install the updated debs via dpkg, ignoring deps for now. |
| 18:20 | <verxion> | unless I should be trying some way other than just "apt-get install passwd" |
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| 18:21 | <cwood> | But I haven't done something this funky in a while. |
| 18:21 | <verxion> | well the apt-get upgrade downloaded them all I believe |
| 18:21 | <cwood> | The files may be in /var/cache/apt/archives, then. |
| 18:22 | <verxion> | yeah, looks like they ended up in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:22 | <verxion> | hah |
| 18:22 | <verxion> | yes indeedy |
| 18:22 | <verxion> | so this makes me moderately nervous |
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| 18:23 | <verxion> | so I would do something like "dpkg --remove passwd; dpkg --install passwd_1%3a4.1.1-1_i386.deb" |
| 18:23 | <verxion> | (I don't often use dpkg) |
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| 18:23 | <witte> | verxion: this is a good moment to think about the last time you made backups |
| 18:23 | <verxion> | heh, well |
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| 18:23 | <verxion> | the nice thing is |
| 18:23 | <cwood> | verxion: Fear is healthy. Also, dpkg is Debian's RPM. |
| 18:23 | <verxion> | the system drive itself has no data I need |
| 18:24 | <verxion> | so I could literally plunk a new system drive in and all the other drives would be fine - they have my data |
| 18:24 | <verxion> | I do have some moderate amounts of configuration though |
| 18:24 | <verxion> | only real items of note are samba and firehol |
| 18:24 | <witte> | verxion: I am quite sure you can update your system, but i am not sure that installing from scratch wont be faster :-) |
| 18:24 | <verxion> | witte: hehehe |
| 18:24 | <cwood> | Upgrading will be more educational. |
| 18:25 | <verxion> | yeah, upgrading is not only more educational, but it allows for more uptime, provided I don't have tooooo many problems |
| 18:25 | <tj__> | what is the command to configure hddtemp? i want it to start at boot to work with gkrellm... if i add it to /etc/modules do i need to add it as "hddtemp" or hddtemp -d /dev/sda"? |
| 18:25 | <mark76> | brb |
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| 18:26 | <witte> | verxion: you probably should restart after you installed your new system as your entire system will be running different software (kernel, libs, virtually everything) |
| 18:26 | <verxion> | right |
| 18:26 | <verxion> | witte: my sincere hope is to do all the upgrading, then do one reboot |
| 18:27 | <witte> | verxion: one reboot should do the trick |
| 18:27 | <verxion> | if that isn't possible, then so be it, but that is what I was expecting/planning for |
| 18:27 | <witte> | verxion: ok, what is the current status |
| 18:27 | <verxion> | well, I am thinking I will try debianutils |
| 18:27 | <verxion> | I have 2.8.4 installed |
| 18:27 | <verxion> | and I have 2.28.4 downloaded via apt-get |
| 18:28 | <verxion> | so I would dpg --remove debianutils |
| 18:28 | <cwood> | You may need to upgrade passwd first, to get to a version without the problem file. |
| 18:28 | <verxion> | hrm, ok |
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| 18:28 | <verxion> | I was just a bit more worried about passwd |
| 18:28 | <cwood> | Yeah, that way lies DOOM. |
| 18:28 | <verxion> | ie, if something gets messed up, I wouldn't be able to login |
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| 18:28 | <cwood> | verxion: Now is a good time to get a remote login going, just in case. ;) |
| 18:28 | <verxion> | I have four up |
| 18:28 | <verxion> | just in case |
| 18:29 | <verxion> | :) |
| 18:29 | <cwood> | There you go. |
| 18:29 | <cwood> | (This feels like telling somebody, "What can go wrong? It's just a chainsaw.") |
| 18:29 | <verxion> | I've done this KIND of thing before in terms of potentially having a problem that would prevent new logins from being established |
| 18:29 | <verxion> | ok |
| 18:30 | <verxion> | so: "dpkg --remove passwd" ? |
| 18:30 | <verxion> | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38768 2008-01-21 07:47 base-passwd_3.5.17_i386.deb |
| 18:30 | <verxion> | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 851106 2008-04-02 17:17 passwd_1%3a4.1.1-1_i386.deb |
| 18:30 | <verxion> | those are in my archives |
| 18:30 | <witte> | verxion: just try |
| 18:30 | <cwood> | Perhaps try dpkg -i with your new passwd file first. |
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| 18:31 | <verxion> | ok, sec, making a paste link |
| 18:31 | <verxion> | http://paste.debian.net/2012 |
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| 18:32 | <mark76> | Hello again |
| 18:32 | <witte> | verxion: dpkg -i <all things listed in your error and passwd> |
| 18:32 | <mark76> | So... about not being able to connect to the world wide web |
| 18:33 | <witte> | mark76: what is your problem exactly? |
| 18:34 | <mark76> | When I tried Debian Live yesterday I couldn't get a connection to the net |
| 18:34 | <mark76> | Which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence in installing it |
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| 18:35 | <witte> | mark76: wired or wireless? |
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| 18:35 | <verxion> | witte: that actually appeared to work |
| 18:35 | <Villarroel> | Hi! |
| 18:35 | <witte> | verxion: hoeray |
| 18:35 | <verxion> | I did "dpkg -i passwd_1%3a4.1.1-1_i386.deb libselinux1_2.0.59-1_i386.deb debianutils_2.28.4_i386.deb libpam0g_0.99.7.1-6_i386.deb" |
| 18:35 | <cwood> | verxion: Now you've passed the Blades of Death, and you are ready for the Knives of Agony. |
| 18:35 | -!- | o_o is now known as hw |
| 18:35 | <verxion> | cwood: EXCELLENT! :) |
| 18:35 | <witte> | verxion: aptitude upgrade |
| 18:36 | <witte> | cwood: :-) |
| 18:36 | <cwood> | witte: we will detach from him the stone of shame, and attach the stone of triumph! |
| 18:36 | <Villarroel> | hi |
| 18:37 | <verxion> | hrm |
| 18:37 | <verxion> | ok, two errors |
| 18:37 | <verxion> | it tried to stop and start the kernel log daemon |
| 18:37 | <verxion> | and failed on both counts |
| 18:37 | <verxion> | this after installing klogd 1.5-2 |
| 18:38 | <verxion> | it said it had a problem with fdutils as well but I didn't see that when it scrolled by |
| 18:38 | <verxion> | hrm, it needs mktemp, and can't find it |
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| 18:39 | <cwood> | apt-get install mktemp |
| 18:39 | <verxion> | I did that |
| 18:39 | <verxion> | just seemed odd it didn't have a dependency |
| 18:39 | <witte> | verxion: apt-get update |
| 18:39 | <verxion> | ok, so now it is keeping 54 packages from upgrading |
| 18:40 | <witte> | verxion: that means we are already halfway in step one |
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| 18:40 | <witte> | verxion: try to install the troublemakers independently with dpkg -i |
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| 18:41 | <verxion> | well |
| 18:41 | -!- | samaivv is now known as Maril |
| 18:41 | <verxion> | one question first, if I may |
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| 18:41 | <verxion> | the release notes says that the aptitude upgrade will install packages which can be upgraded without requiring any other packages to be removed or installed |
| 18:41 | <verxion> | so I am wondering if perhaps these 54 are ones that "require other packages to be removed or installed" |
| 18:41 | <verxion> | (I don't know how to tell) |
| 18:42 | <cwood> | For my part, I prefer using "upgrade" before "dist-upgrade", which leaves any troublemakers behind. |
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| 18:42 | <mark76> | Can anyone help me with my not being able to connect to the internet on debian problem? I'm using an ethernet port to a cable modem |
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| 18:43 | <verxion> | mark76: is it a new system? |
| 18:43 | <hellues> | !paste |
| 18:43 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:43 | <cwood> | verxion: if you've already "upgrade", then likely what's left does need to be dist-upgraded... but you can go through them individually and aptitude install <package> to see where they might hiccough. |
| 18:43 | <mark76> | It's a Compaq SR5219 running *cough*ubuntu*cough* |
| 18:43 | <verxion> | cwood: ok |
| 18:43 | <cwood> | !ubuntu |
| 18:43 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:44 | <witte> | verxion: no, with packages "removed or installed", this means that some packages that you now have installed will be removed, or others, which you don't have need to be installed in order for them to upgrade |
| 18:44 | <witte> | verxion: the ones that are withheld currently can be installed if those little problems are solved |
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| 18:44 | <mark76> | Se... If I went to the Ubuntu forums and asked them how do I get Debian to recognise my cable modem, what do you think they'd say? |
| 18:44 | <verxion> | ok |
| 18:44 | <mark76> | Se = see |
| 18:44 | <verxion> | I will go through them one at a time |
| 18:45 | <witte> | verxion: but remember, the releasenotes are from going form sarge to etch, and you have neither |
| 18:45 | <cwood> | verxion: you can always just aptitude dist-upgrade if you're feeling hairy-chested :D |
| 18:45 | <verxion> | cwood: hehehe |
| 18:45 | <witte> | mark76: cable modem, that means you use wired internet? |
| 18:45 | <mark76> | Yes |
| 18:45 | <verxion> | to be perfectly honest, this has gone a great deal smoother than I expected |
| 18:45 | <verxion> | especially given how old this whole thing is |
| 18:45 | <witte> | mark76: ok, that should work almost always, unless you have a very new device |
| 18:46 | <verxion> | ok, I am now getting a warning that some packages cannot be authenticated |
| 18:46 | <witte> | verxion: ignore those for now |
| 18:46 | <witte> | verxion: this means apt is updated to apt-secure |
| 18:46 | <verxion> | ok |
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| 18:47 | <witte> | mark76: you did try the live cd, are you now running that live cd? |
| 18:47 | <Aleric> | Does anyone know how to convert seconds UTC since jan 1 0:0:0 1970 (ie 1209681792) to a real date string on the command line? |
| 18:47 | <mark76> | No |
| 18:47 | <mark76> | Like I said, I couldn't get a net connection with it |
| 18:47 | <witte> | mark76: of course not, you could not connect to the internet (i am an idiot |
| 18:47 | <mark76> | Lol |
| 18:48 | <verxion> | witte: at this point, the remaining few packages being held back all seem to depend on packages which can not be authenticated |
| 18:48 | <witte> | mark76: what kind of network card do you have |
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| 18:48 | <mark76> | Erm |
| 18:48 | <mark76> | How would I find that out, witte? |
| 18:48 | <cwood> | verxion: eventually you could install debian-archive-keyring |
| 18:49 | <witte> | mark76: which os are you running now? |
| 18:49 | <mark76> | Ubuntu 8.04 |
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| 18:50 | <witte> | mark76: and you have a brand new laptop, or just a medium old pc? |
| 18:50 | <mark76> | It's just a normal desktop PC |
| 18:50 | <verxion> | cwood: it is installed already actually |
| 18:50 | <verxion> | (debian-archive-keyring) |
| 18:50 | <cwood> | aha, n/m |
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| 18:50 | <verxion> | I am unclear what to do about the unauthenticated packages |
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| 18:51 | <witte> | mark76: the netinstall should work, but to be sure, you can take the following one |
| 18:51 | <witte> | !kmuto |
| 18:51 | <dpkg> | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:51 | <verxion> | should I install them even though they can't be authenticated? |
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| 18:51 | <witte> | verxion: yes, ignore authentication |
| 18:51 | <verxion> | ok |
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| 18:51 | <witte> | !apt secure |
| 18:51 | <dpkg> | hmm... apt secure is See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <no public key> |
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| 18:52 | <mark76> | !kmuto and !apt secure? |
| 18:52 | <witte> | mark76: kmuto was for you, apt secure was for verxion |
| 18:52 | <mark76> | Ah |
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| 18:53 | <mark76> | So if I ran the live cd now and I opened a terminal and typed !kmuto into it I'd get a connection? |
| 18:53 | <witte> | mark76: ah no |
| 18:53 | <mark76> | Right |
| 18:53 | <witte> | the command !kmuto that i gave invoked dpkg to tell something about that |
| 18:53 | <witte> | !kmuto |
| 18:53 | <dpkg> | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:54 | <verxion> | lftp is having issues |
| 18:54 | <mark76> | Okay |
| 18:54 | <witte> | but i guess that is not what you whant |
| 18:54 | <witte> | because that is an installer, and you want the live cd to work |
| 18:54 | <mark76> | I don't think it is |
| 18:54 | <mark76> | Yes |
| 18:54 | <verxion> | http://paste.debian.net/2015 |
| 18:54 | <witte> | mark76: open a terminal and paste the contents to a pastebin |
| 18:54 | <verxion> | looks like the uninstall script for lftp is borked |
| 18:54 | <witte> | !tell mark76 about pastebin |
| 18:55 | <mark76> | Erm |
| 18:55 | <mark76> | What contents? |
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| 18:55 | <witte> | mark76: ah, right, type lspci |
| 18:55 | <witte> | :-) |
| 18:55 | <witte> | mark76: and add lsmod |
| 18:56 | <witte> | mark76: in the terminal that is of course. Both commands will give some output which should enlighten us about your hardware |
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| 18:57 | <mark76> | What's pastebin? |
| 18:58 | <witte> | !tell mark76 about pastebin |
| 18:58 | <mark76> | That's not working |
| 18:58 | <witte> | mark76: dpkg just told you in a private message |
| 18:58 | <witte> | !pastebin |
| 18:58 | <dpkg> | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 18:58 | <mark76> | Oh |
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| 18:58 | <cwood> | !tell cwood about pastebin |
| 18:58 | <witte> | !tell cwood about selftell |
| 18:59 | <cwood> | Temptation overwhelmed me. |
| 18:59 | <verxion> | !tell cwood and witte that they both rock |
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| 18:59 | <cwood> | verxion: how's it going? And, you can message the bot about all sorts of nifty stuff. |
| 18:59 | <mark76> | http://pastebin.ca/1004435 |
| 18:59 | <verxion> | I am stuck on lftp |
| 18:59 | <verxion> | http://paste.debian.net/2015 |
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| 19:00 | <cwood> | verxion: can you remove lftp, and then install it again? Rather than replace? |
| 19:01 | <verxion> | I tried actually |
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| 19:01 | <verxion> | dpkg wouldn't remove it |
| 19:01 | <dpkg> | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, verxion |
| 19:01 | <verxion> | using dpkg -r lftp |
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| 19:02 | <mark76> | I love ROX :) |
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| 19:03 | <curtis> | i need help with my laptop wireless |
| 19:03 | <curtis> | anyone willing to help? |
| 19:03 | <mark76> | Have you managed to make heads or tails of my system yet, witte? |
| 19:03 | <cwood> | verxion: perhaps you can install the new one with a --force ? |
| 19:03 | <curtis> | ? |
| 19:03 | <mark76> | I'm not. I don't know anything about laptops or wireless |
| 19:04 | <curtis> | who does? |
| 19:04 | <witte> | mark76: i am working on it |
| 19:04 | <mark76> | K |
| 19:04 | <witte> | curtis: what is your system, which is your wireless, what are your problems |
| 19:04 | <witte> | curtis: nobody can solve generic problems... |
| 19:04 | <curtis> | i have ubuntu but the people that use it are stupid |
| 19:04 | <curtis> | i have a gateway ml6714 |
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| 19:05 | <curtis> | and the wireless does not work |
| 19:05 | <witte> | curtis: well, sorry to tell you , but this is #debian, we don't use ubuntu |
| 19:05 | <cwood> | You have ubuntu and the people who use it are stupid? Sounds like time to install something better! |
| 19:05 | <curtis> | what is the difference with ubuntu and debian? |
| 19:06 | <mark76> | Debian was first? |
| 19:06 | <mark76> | :/ |
| 19:06 | <curtis> | what is better for gaming |
| 19:06 | <curtis> | ? |
| 19:06 | <Aleric> | windows |
| 19:06 | <mark76> | Sony |
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| 19:06 | <mark76> | NIntendo |
| 19:06 | <Aleric> | gameboy! |
| 19:06 | <mark76> | WII! |
| 19:06 | <curtis> | can i install an iso image in cedega? |
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| 19:07 | <cwood> | !ubuntu |
| 19:07 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 19:07 | <cwood> | !based on debian |
| 19:07 | <dpkg> | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 19:07 | <verxion> | I think the reason it won't let me remove lftp is because there are no alternatives for ftp |
| 19:07 | <curtis> | can i |
| 19:07 | <curtis> | ? |
| 19:07 | <curtis> | ? |
| 19:07 | <curtis> | ? |
| 19:07 | -!- | curtis was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
| 19:07 | <verxion> | maybe if I installed some kind of a substitute for ftp it would let me remove lftp? |
| 19:08 | <cwood> | verxion: perhaps try installing netkit-ftp ? |
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| 19:08 | <cwood> | pardon, I lie. Just try apt-get install ftp |
| 19:08 | <verxion> | ok, that I tried |
| 19:08 | <verxion> | it tried to uninstall lftp during the ftp installation |
| 19:08 | <verxion> | which failed, as per normal |
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| 19:09 | <cwood> | Ah, hm. Interesting quandary. |
| 19:09 | <verxion> | at this point |
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| 19:09 | <verxion> | I think just removing lftp from the registry of apt would be sufficient |
| 19:09 | <verxion> | but I don't know how to do that |
| 19:09 | <cwood> | I suppose you could remove the files manually and then fix the package lists to erase all notion of it being installed. |
| 19:10 | <verxion> | right |
| 19:10 | <verxion> | I just don't know where the package lists are |
| 19:11 | <witte> | mark76: you have a nforce driver for your network card, the module it loads is forcedeth |
| 19:11 | <cwood> | Likely under /var/*/apt or somewhere. |
| 19:11 | <mark76> | That sounds like some kind of Metal band, witte |
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| 19:11 | <witte> | description: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver |
| 19:12 | <verxion> | ok, so in /var/lib/dpkg/info there are five files with lftp. in front of them |
| 19:12 | <witte> | mark76: great huh :-) |
| 19:12 | <mark76> | Yeah |
| 19:12 | <verxion> | if I remove those files, will it no longer think it has lftp installed? |
| 19:12 | <mark76> | So, how so I use that information? |
| 19:12 | <cwood> | verxion: might be worth tarring up /var/lib/dpkg first, so you can restore in case your fiddling breaks something. |
| 19:12 | <witte> | mark76: i do not know from which kernel it is included, and i don't know which kernel is in the live cd |
| 19:13 | <witte> | mark76: but it is in the etch kernel, so it should be on the live cd |
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| 19:14 | <mark76> | Okay |
| 19:14 | <mark76> | Lemme see |
| 19:14 | <cwood> | verxion: just installed lftp, it gave me files in /var/lib/dpkg/info as well. |
| 19:14 | <mark76> | And then I'm off to bed |
| 19:14 | <witte> | mark76: you can use it as follows: try the live cd, do "lsmod forcedeth", if it returns nothing, you could modprobe forcedeth |
| 19:14 | <mark76> | See you all tomorrow |
| 19:14 | <mark76> | Thanks witte |
| 19:14 | <verxion> | ok, now I am having troubles with exim4-daemon-light, but no real information about it |
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| 19:14 | <verxion> | just says error code 1 |
| 19:14 | <witte> | after that you can try to configure your network device with gui tool or so |
| 19:14 | <verxion> | while processing it |
| 19:15 | <cwood> | verxion: so the lftp thing worked? |
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| 19:15 | <verxion> | cwood: it certainly helped |
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| 19:15 | <verxion> | turns out lftp depends on exim4-daemon-light |
| 19:15 | <verxion> | which won't install |
| 19:15 | <cwood> | verxion: nifty, I'll remember that ni case I need to do something like it. :p |
| 19:15 | <verxion> | cwood: I did that once before, looooooooong ago |
| 19:15 | <verxion> | live over a decade ago |
| 19:15 | <verxion> | but still in debian |
| 19:16 | <cwood> | verxion: you can always apt-get install ftp ... likely doesn't depend on exim4-daemon-light. |
| 19:16 | <verxion> | could be |
| 19:16 | <verxion> | but lftp has parallization |
| 19:16 | <verxion> | :) |
| 19:16 | <dondelelcaro> | verxion: it depends on mail-transport-agent, which happens to be provided by exim4-daemon-light |
| 19:16 | <dondelelcaro> | verxion: if you're not receiving mail, you can always just install nullmailer or similar. |
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| 19:17 | <verxion> | http://paste.debian.net/2018 |
| 19:17 | <dondelelcaro> | (you really should always have a way to get mail off of your system) |
| 19:17 | <cwood> | Try finishing the upgrade process first, so when your dependencies are unscrewed and the upgrade is finished, you can install what you need. |
| 19:17 | <verxion> | dondelelcaro: I don't use mail on this system at all |
| 19:17 | <hachi> | how do people manage config files and the fact that you can't really divert them? |
| 19:17 | <dondelelcaro> | hachi: uh... you just change them. |
| 19:17 | <Ikarus> | hachi: my /etc's lives in svn ? |
| 19:17 | <Ikarus> | err, live |
| 19:18 | <dondelelcaro> | hachi: overwriting a configuration file by a package without prompting is against policy. |
| 19:18 | <hachi> | using svn to do the job that I think dpkg should be doing seems a bit odd |
| 19:18 | <cwood> | hachi: GNU rcs. I don't trust policy to save me. |
| 19:18 | <verxion> | dondelelcaro: if I remove exim4-daemon-light and then install nullmailer, would I still have local mail? |
| 19:18 | <verxion> | I am not familiar with nullmailer |
| 19:18 | <dondelelcaro> | verxion: yes. |
| 19:18 | <hachi> | sure, but how do I make a package that can override the config of another package? |
| 19:18 | <verxion> | ok, then that should be sufficient |
| 19:18 | <Ikarus> | hachi: nah, I am doing it just so I can revert changes to configurations without hassle |
| 19:18 | <dondelelcaro> | verxion: all nullmailer does is handle getting the mail from your machine to another machine. |
| 19:18 | <Ikarus> | hachi: ah, you want to deploy configs |
| 19:18 | <hachi> | like, how do people autoomate the management of many machines with dpkg |
| 19:19 | <hachi> | yeah |
| 19:19 | <dondelelcaro> | hachi: you shouldn't ever distribute such a package, but it's fairly trivial. Just put in the appropriate bits to modify the configuration file in your postinst. |
| 19:19 | <hachi> | I'd like to say 'apt-get install kuiki-mail-config' |
| 19:19 | <dondelelcaro> | how you actually modify the configuration files is orthogonal to dpkg |
| 19:19 | <hachi> | sure, but when the package upgrades, the dpkg will want to ask if I want to overwrite the file |
| 19:19 | <verxion> | awesome, that fixed lftp |
| 19:19 | <verxion> | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 19:20 | <hachi> | I'm tired of 3 years of saying 'no' to things that I changed on purpose, and yes to things that I never touched, but dpkg is wrong about |
| 19:20 | <dondelelcaro> | hachi: of course, and you can just say no thanks, use my version, which is the default. |
| 19:20 | <hachi> | I'm tired of this after 3 years |
| 19:20 | <hachi> | yes, but dpkg is wrong half of the time |
| 19:20 | <hachi> | I may not have changed the locales mapping on my machine |
| 19:20 | <hachi> | I'd like to assert this decision once and for all |
| 19:20 | <dondelelcaro> | hachi: then consider helping develop dpkg and working on the configuration file handling and merge support |
| 19:20 | <hachi> | "yes, I changed this file on purpose" |
| 19:20 | <hachi> | and "no, seriously... user did not interact with this file, stop asking" |
| 19:21 | <kjetil_> | Our you could but your /etc in some sort of version control. Then you can restore your original configfiles if dpkg change them |
| 19:21 | <hachi> | that requires human intervention |
| 19:22 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 343] by debhelper |
| 19:22 | <hachi> | I like dondelcarlo's opinion of the situation |
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| 19:22 | <hachi> | but I don't even know where this sort of work gets done |
| 19:22 | <dondelelcaro> | if you really care about it, you can always use the various --force-confdef or similar |
| 19:22 | <hachi> | is there a specific thing that does the config handling and policy |
| 19:22 | <hachi> | or is it all buried deep in the dpkg binary? |
| 19:22 | <dondelelcaro> | hachi: dpkg does the handling of everything that is a conffile. |
| 19:23 | <dondelelcaro> | the basic parameters of how that must happen is described in policy |
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| 19:23 | <dondelelcaro> | there are configuration files which are not conffiles, and are handled in accordance with policy using other things, like ucf, or custom postinst scripts. |
| 19:24 | <verxion> | I would just like to re-assert how very much I love apt |
| 19:25 | <cwood> | debconf-english |
| 19:25 | <cwood> | pardon |
| 19:25 | <verxion> | and how VERY glad I am that I moved from redhat 4 to debian so very very long ago |
| 19:25 | <verxion> | I went from slackware 0.99pl15 |
| 19:25 | <verxion> | to redhat |
| 19:25 | <verxion> | to debian |
| 19:26 | <verxion> | never looked back |
| 19:26 | <verxion> | :) |
| 19:26 | <cwood> | Went from RedHat 6.2. Same. |
| 19:26 | <cwood> | I have fewer crappy dependency problems with Sid than I ever did with Red Hat anything. |
| 19:27 | <verxion> | ok |
| 19:27 | <verxion> | I am at a spot where it is warning me very severely |
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| 19:27 | <verxion> | it wants to remove sysvinit |
| 19:27 | <verxion> | I am attempting to install initscripts |
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| 19:27 | <hachi> | dondelelcaro: I puzzle over this problem every few weeks |
| 19:27 | <hachi> | how do you find a debian projects code repo? |
| 19:27 | <cwood> | verxion: this is the upgrade version of facing down the balrog. |
| 19:27 | <hachi> | like, dpkg |
| 19:27 | <verxion> | cwood: :) |
| 19:28 | <verxion> | cwood: I pet balrogs many times a day |
| 19:28 | <cwood> | verxion: I'd say, yeah, cool, whatever... but if you reboot halfway through this process, you may be ultra-boned as far as being able to boot. |
| 19:28 | <verxion> | cwood: just so I know the potential impact here... |
| 19:28 | <verxion> | if I COMPLETE the initscripts install |
| 19:28 | <verxion> | would I be able to boot? |
| 19:28 | <verxion> | or do you mean the entire upgrade/dist-upgrade |
| 19:28 | <verxion> | ? |
| 19:29 | <cwood> | verxion: yes, if it works. The problem is that some essential packages should never be removed (like, say, your kernel). |
| 19:29 | <verxion> | well it is gonna remove a kernel |
| 19:29 | <cwood> | However, due to certain upgrade paths and dependencies, you may need for aptitude to temporarily shuffle things. |
| 19:29 | <dondelelcaro> | hachi: it's generally listed in the copyright file |
| 19:29 | <verxion> | The following packages will be REMOVED |
| 19:29 | <verxion> | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 modutils sysvinit |
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| 19:29 | <hachi> | oooh |
| 19:29 | <verxion> | but I am running 2.6.7-2-k7 |
| 19:29 | <cwood> | verxion: as long as it's not going to remove your bootable kernel, you could be fine. |
| 19:30 | <dondelelcaro> | hachi: but not always; if you ever can't find it, you can ask here. |
| 19:30 | <verxion> | ok, it completed with no errors |
| 19:30 | <dondelelcaro> | (dpkg for example, is in a git repository on git.debian.org, iirc) |
| 19:30 | <verxion> | I am just working my way through those 54 packages that were being held back one at a time |
| 19:30 | <hachi> | mmmm, git |
| 19:30 | * | hachi gnaws on git |
| 19:30 | <cwood> | verxion: sounds sensible. |
| 19:30 | <verxion> | down to less than 10 new |
| 19:30 | <verxion> | er, now |
| 19:31 | <hachi> | so |
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| 19:31 | <hachi> | conceptually would the files in /etc/apt/sources.d/ be conf files, or standard package files? |
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| 19:32 | <hachi> | if I wanted to supply them and control them with a package |
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| 19:34 | <verxion> | nice |
| 19:34 | <verxion> | samba still works with my config files |
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| 19:34 | <verxion> | I was moderately worried that it would be a battle to get it working again with the new samba |
| 19:34 | <dondelelcaro> | hachi: those are all configuration files. |
| 19:34 | <hachi> | keke |
| 19:34 | <hachi> | hooof, dpkg's written in C |
| 19:34 | <dondelelcaro> | hachi: they should either be marked as conffiles, or they should be moved to their final location after checking that there haven't been any changes in them. |
| 19:35 | <hachi> | ahh |
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| 19:35 | <hachi> | oh, this is dictated by policy still, I'm being a dope |
| 19:35 | <verxion> | ok............ |
| 19:35 | <verxion> | I am on my last package |
| 19:35 | <verxion> | and a bit confused here |
| 19:36 | <verxion> | SSH is the one I am trying to upgrade |
| 19:36 | <verxion> | it is warning me about challenge-response |
| 19:36 | <verxion> | I am not sure I fully understand it |
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| 19:37 | <cwood> | That's more of an SSH thing... googling for how that works in SSH might help. |
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| 19:40 | <verxion> | it says my current openssh appears to have password authentication disabled |
| 19:40 | <verxion> | and says if I disable challenge-response in the new one, then users will not be able to log in using passwords |
| 19:40 | <verxion> | hrm |
| 19:40 | <verxion> | some network issues possibly |
| 19:40 | -!- | verxion was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
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| 19:40 | <verxion> | sorry, I lagged out |
| 19:40 | <verxion> | so all my text came at once. :( |
| 19:41 | <verxion> | ok, ssh still works, and the upgrade is now finished |
| 19:41 | <cwood> | verxion: that sounded more painless than it should have been. ;) |
| 19:41 | <verxion> | yeah, it went really smoothly |
| 19:42 | <verxion> | I think the base system is something like.... 5+ years old (the original install) |
| 19:42 | <verxion> | it has moved to four different mobo/cpu/mem/vidcard combinations |
| 19:42 | <cwood> | Mine is about that old, but it got moved to Sid right after I installed using Woody floppy disks. |
| 19:42 | <verxion> | and been dd'd from one drive to another at LEAST once |
| 19:42 | <verxion> | yeah, this was originally installed from floppy, lol |
| 19:43 | <verxion> | now I don't have a single system with a floppy in it anymore |
| 19:43 | <verxion> | nor any floppy disks either |
| 19:43 | <verxion> | wow |
| 19:44 | <verxion> | the apt-get dist-upgrade only wanted to install sysvinit |
| 19:44 | <verxion> | nothing more (this is after finishing the upgrade) |
| 19:44 | <verxion> | so everything is done! |
| 19:44 | <cwood> | Wow, and you're still here. ;) |
| 19:44 | <verxion> | I just need to reboot at some point to verify nothing is utterly borked |
| 19:44 | <verxion> | yeah, I know |
| 19:44 | <verxion> | I am pretty surprised |
| 19:44 | <verxion> | and finch now installs fine |
| 19:45 | <verxion> | :) |
| 19:45 | <cwood> | I confess to a certain disappointment that you didn't have to perform super-feats of Debian administration to fix your situation, but that's Debian for you. |
| 19:45 | <verxion> | honestly |
| 19:45 | <verxion> | it is this very sort of thing |
| 19:45 | <verxion> | which has happened multiple times over the last decade |
| 19:46 | <verxion> | that REALLY sells me on debian |
| 19:46 | <verxion> | I absolutely love it |
| 19:46 | <verxion> | ok, I will reboot it after we get back from supper |
| 19:46 | <verxion> | thanks very much everyone |
| 19:47 | <verxion> | I will reboot it and then install an actual modern kernel |
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| 19:48 | <hachi> | hahahaha |
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| 19:49 | <hachi> | dpkg internal function 'ohshit' |
| 19:49 | <dpkg> | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, hachi |
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| 19:58 | <Entheogen> | hi |
| 19:58 | <Entheogen> | can someone tell me how to install kde4 on testing unstable? |
| 19:58 | <Entheogen> | do i have to remove 3.5 first? |
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| 19:59 | <Entheogen> | or i can easily upgrade 3.5? |
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| 19:59 | <cwood> | kde4 |
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| 19:59 | <witte> | !kde4 |
| 19:59 | <dpkg> | somebody said kde 4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
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| 20:31 | <ircMonkey> | Hi, how to read .deb files? |
| 20:31 | <weasel> | ar x foo.deb |
| 20:31 | <Entheogen> | ar x |
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| 20:35 | <ircMonkey> | do you think the data.tar.gz is just to be tar -zxvf at "/"? |
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| 20:37 | <federica87> | you want to be money http://ucash.in/2a5c91c click me |
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| 20:40 | <ircMonkey> | is it possible to read a .so file? |
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| 20:42 | <navin_> | can any1 help me hw to use msn messenger in ubuntu |
| 20:42 | <weasel> | no, not here |
| 20:42 | <weasel> | go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net |
| 20:43 | <navin_> | 10q |
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| 20:47 | * | verxion eats neds with the fam |
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| 20:49 | <jtwrite> | gaggagagaga\\ |
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| 20:50 | <noys> | how would i check disk space left? terminal command |
| 20:50 | <witte> | df -h |
| 20:50 | <tj__> | df -h i think |
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| 20:50 | <noys> | thanks |
| 20:50 | <tj__> | you beat me to it witte |
| 20:51 | <witte> | don't think, it will spare you a number of keystrokes |
| 20:51 | <witte> | :-) |
| 20:51 | <tj__> | witte. how to start the hddtemp config app? |
| 20:51 | <tj__> | it wont come up at boot for gkrellm |
| 20:51 | <witte> | tj__: i don't know that application |
| 20:51 | <tj__> | and at install i chose to start as deamon. |
| 20:52 | <tj__> | k... thanks anyways... |
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| 20:52 | <ircMonkey> | I've got a package that has been installed with errors, and that doesn't accept to be removed. |
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| 20:52 | <witte> | tj__: what if you just type the name "hddtemp" in terminal |
| 20:53 | <witte> | ircMonkey: paste your error to a pastebin |
| 20:53 | <cwood> | ircMonkey: perhaps try apt-get -f install first |
| 20:54 | <tj__> | nothing.. requirement needed and --help doesnt give it |
| 20:54 | <ircMonkey> | witte: what variable do I have to change to have the language turned to english? something with 'C' |
| 20:55 | <ircMonkey> | cwood: it won't install, |
| 20:55 | <cwood> | I'll wait for the pastebin too. |
| 20:56 | <ircMonkey> | cwood: my fault it's a package not from debian repos |
| 20:56 | <tj__> | i can start it just fine and -d starts deamon mode... i also went to /ect/modules and tried "hddtemp -d /dev/sda" which is what works in terminal... and i tried it without "-d" and still nothing |
| 20:56 | <cwood> | ircMonkey: what system? |
| 20:56 | <ircMonkey> | cwood: you wouldn't read a pastbin in french :) |
| 20:56 | <cwood> | try me. |
| 20:56 | <ircMonkey> | cwood: from brother a printer manufacturer |
| 20:57 | <cwood> | ircMonkey: Sounds like you should be sending your error message about Brother's deb to Brother. |
| 20:57 | <witte> | ircMonkey: something wiht lang C or export it |
| 20:59 | <witte> | ircMonkey: maybe LANG=C command |
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| 21:00 | <witte> | ircMonkey: paste it in french |
| 21:00 | <ircMonkey> | http://debian.pastebin.com/d5285c8ad |
| 21:00 | <ircMonkey> | I did it in french But you said for the C :) |
| 21:00 | <witte> | ircMonkey: ah, it did work |
| 21:01 | <witte> | ircMonkey: can you upload /var/lib/dpkg/info/hl1250lpr.postrm |
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| 21:03 | <ircMonkey> | #!/bin/sh |
| 21:03 | <ircMonkey> | # ESP Package Manager v3.5.1 |
| 21:03 | <ircMonkey> | /etc/init.d/lpd restart |
| 21:03 | <ircMonkey> | You think I should install lpr? |
| 21:04 | <ircMonkey> | In fact I installed lrpng. |
| 21:04 | <ircMonkey> | What package gives lpd? |
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| 21:04 | <witte> | ircMonkey: do you want to upgrade that package or remove it? |
| 21:04 | <witte> | ircMonkey: lpr gives lpd |
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| 21:05 | <ircMonkey> | to remove it |
| 21:05 | <ircMonkey> | witte: but not lprng? |
| 21:05 | <witte> | ircMonkey: but if you want to remove the package, i would place a "#" before the "/etc/init.d/lpd restart" in that postrm file |
| 21:06 | <ircMonkey> | witte: good idea |
| 21:06 | <witte> | ircMonkey: "apt-file search lpd" says no |
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| 21:06 | <ircMonkey> | done |
| 21:06 | <ircMonkey> | removed |
| 21:06 | <ircMonkey> | :) |
| 21:07 | <witte> | ircMonkey: if you need to print today, there could be some hickups, but if not, this hack can't do any harm... |
| 21:07 | <witte> | ircMonkey: i think |
| 21:07 | <oasdhf> | is there a debian-standard way to configure an extended keyboard for X (so the extra buttons are xmodmapped)? |
| 21:08 | <ircMonkey> | It's fine it's removed; as I said This package was not from official debian distribution but from a printer manufacturer; I will care about it some other day |
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| 21:09 | <witte> | oasdhf: there are some programs that allow you to configure your keyboard, but i dont have any experience with them... |
| 21:10 | <witte> | oasdhf: keytouch is one, but there are others |
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| 21:11 | <oasdhf> | thanks |
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| 21:12 | <inforux> | hola comunidad debian |
| 21:12 | <inforux> | tegno una conslta |
| 21:12 | <witte> | whois inforux |
| 21:12 | <inforux> | de instalacion |
| 21:12 | <cwood> | !es |
| 21:12 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:12 | <witte> | oops, I was trying to figure out if it was spanish or Portuguese |
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| 21:13 | <cwood> | Peru... I think that's Spanish. |
| 21:13 | * | cwood is completely illiterate in Spanish. |
| 21:13 | * | witte too |
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| 21:15 | <witte> | cervesa and ola chica is as far as my knowledge for Spanish reach |
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| 21:22 | * | Killing_Frost wonders where USB thumb drives show up on the directory tree. |
| 21:22 | <witte> | Killing_Frost: /dev/... |
| 21:22 | <simonrvn_> | in /media if you have stuff like usbmount installed |
| 21:23 | <witte> | Killing_Frost: unless you have some tool installed |
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| 21:23 | <Killing_Frost> | Must be a crappy drive then. Nothing shows. |
| 21:23 | <PatM2> | I need a bit of help getting gpe up and running. If I understand this correctly, I need to install xorg first, then the gnome palmtop environment? I installed the GPE metapackage but there doesn't seem to be any way to start the desktop. |
| 21:24 | <cwood> | PatM2: you might need to put something in .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 21:24 | <Killing_Frost> | try 'startx' or install gdm/kdm/xdm. |
| 21:25 | <PatM2> | I was googling on those and can't seem to find any specifics about what goes in them. Just that you need them. Figured the packages would put at least an example file someplace. |
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| 21:26 | <cwood> | PatM2: there's often a main file you need to execute... like /usr/bin/fluxbox, or /usr/bin/xfce4-session ... are you using gdm/kdm/xdm? |
| 21:26 | <Killing_Frost> | Nothing in /etc/X11? |
| 21:26 | <PatM2> | Nope, no graphical login yet. |
| 21:26 | <simonrvn_> | oh damn... perl 5.10 in sid now... BE CAREFUL PEOPLE |
| 21:26 | <simonrvn_> | @wb |
| 21:26 | <ravenbird> | thanks, simonrvn_. It's good to be back. |
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| 21:27 | <PatM2> | Lots in /etc/X11 in a minute I hope. |
| 21:27 | <PatM2> | (just finished installing xorg) |
| 21:27 | <cwood> | PatM2: So you can figure out which file this is in gpe, and then use that in your .xinitrc for startx. |
| 21:27 | <cwood> | !.xinitrc |
| 21:27 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
| 21:28 | <cwood> | simonrvn: wheeeeee |
| 21:28 | * | Killing_Frost sighs, guessing he'll have to configure samba to xfer files to Windoze. |
| 21:28 | <simonrvn> | yeh, until you have to put it on hold so the other stuff can catch up |
| 21:28 | <PatM2> | Ah, so I just copy /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to my home dir (as .xinitrc?) |
| 21:29 | <simonrvn> | .xsession |
| 21:29 | <cwood> | PatM2: no, you'd create a new file with your session manager or window manager of choice. |
| 21:29 | <cwood> | And .xsession or .xinitrc, depending on if you use a display manager. |
| 21:29 | <Killing_Frost> | And add yourself to the video group. |
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| 21:30 | <simonrvn> | and audio |
| 21:30 | <Killing_Frost> | And games if you want to cheat on highscores. |
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| 21:33 | * | Killing_Frost thinks "Bugrit" and yanks the thumb drive out. |
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| 21:34 | <PatM2> | Ah I see, .xinitrc just calls /etc/X11/Xsession |
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| 21:37 | <verxion> | ok, back from supper |
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| 21:37 | <verxion> | hrm, can someone tell me if that preceding line had "ok" at the beginning, or just "k" ? |
| 21:38 | <verxion> | can anyone read this? |
| 21:39 | <cwood> | verxion: <verxion> ok, back from supper ... and no |
| 21:39 | <PatM2> | xf86PciVideoInfo not found. Ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and its set properly in xorg.conf... |
| 21:40 | <verxion> | thanks |
| 21:40 | <verxion> | I am having some weird effect here in irc |
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| 21:40 | <verxion> | the first character of every line is missing |
| 21:40 | <PatM2> | Google is showing nothing about xf86PciVideoInfo not found. |
| 21:40 | <verxion> | and my # symbol has been replaced |
| 21:40 | <verxion> | ie, the hash is now the English pound instead |
| 21:40 | <PatM2> | font corrupt? |
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| 21:41 | <witte> | verxion: in a shell or in your irc client? |
| 21:41 | <verxion> | so I think I have a problem with my localization perhaps |
| 21:41 | <witte> | verxion: which client do you use? |
| 21:41 | <verxion> | witte: in irc |
| 21:41 | <verxion> | though it does the same at the shell prompt |
| 21:41 | <verxion> | I am using irssi |
| 21:41 | <verxion> | (which is imho amazing for irc) |
| 21:41 | <witte> | could also be a utf8 issue |
| 21:42 | <verxion> | wait |
| 21:42 | <verxion> | this is interesting |
| 21:42 | <verxion> | another ssh session is fine |
| 21:42 | <verxion> | let me open a new one |
| 21:42 | <witte> | verxion: do you use some old configs or so? |
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| 21:42 | <verxion> | ahh |
| 21:42 | <verxion> | ## |
| 21:42 | <PatM2> | Oop, xf86pcivideoinfo is not set (not not found) |
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| 21:42 | <verxion> | ok, so the pound is fixed |
| 21:42 | <verxion> | but I am still having problems with the first portions of irc lines being dropped |
| 21:43 | <verxion> | so the beginning of every irc line has the first character dropped |
| 21:43 | <verxion> | and some nicks are also missing the first character |
| 21:43 | <witte> | verxion: maybe run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:43 | <cwood> | verxion: perhaps compare in xchat or bitchx, see if you still have the problem. |
| 21:43 | <verxion> | I'm going to re-run irssi |
| 21:43 | <verxion> | maybe it got munged |
| 21:43 | <witte> | cwood: bitchx is not in lenny anymore |
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| 21:44 | <cwood> | Didn't know. Why not? |
| 21:44 | <witte> | !bitchx |
| 21:44 | <witte> | there were security issues with it, and it was no longer maintained |
| 21:44 | <cwood> | aha |
| 21:45 | <witte> | but dpkg should tell us that as well |
| 21:46 | <witte> | cwood: the factoid seems to be missing, but you can still read it here: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=*bitchx*&term=key |
| 21:46 | <cwood> | aha, thank you |
| 21:46 | <witte> | !dbugs 451373 |
| 21:46 | <dpkg> | DONE:#451373:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: ircii-pana -- RoQA; security issues, abandoned upstream, unmainted; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:09:02 UTC |
| 21:47 | <PatM2> | Anybody know what this xf86PciVideoInfo setting is? I'm on an arm processor and don't even have PCI bus. |
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| 21:47 | <verxion> | test |
| 21:47 | <verxion> | ok, irssi was very messed up |
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| 21:52 | <DDr> | Can anyone help me with sendmail please? |
| 21:52 | <DDr> | I accidently deleted mail.log in /var/log and dont know how to correctly recreate it |
| 21:53 | <witte> | DDr: on my system it is like this: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 0 Feb 2 02:29 /var/log/mail.log |
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| 21:54 | <DDr> | so, what commands would I run to achieve that? |
| 21:55 | <witte> | DDr: so "touch /var/log/mail.log;chown root:adm /var/log/mail.log;chmod 640 /var/log/mail.log" should do the trick |
| 21:55 | <witte> | DDr: as root |
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| 21:55 | <verxion> | witte: I was now going to attempt to upgrade my kernel, something I haven't really done much of on debian. When I used to keep current on kernels, I always compiled them myself using the old fashioned make config; anything special I should know about upgrading using apt-get in debian? |
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| 21:56 | <witte> | verxion: just do "apt-cache search linux-image", take the one you want, and aptitude install <theoneyouwant> |
| 21:56 | <verxion> | I am currently on 2.6.8-2-k7, and am running an AMD 3800 X2 on the system |
| 21:57 | <verxion> | witte: well, my main concern lies with things such as network card drivers and iptables configuration |
| 21:57 | <DDr> | witte, thank you, I will ask some questions as I go along. |
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| 21:57 | <verxion> | witte: have there been major changes to iptables since 2.6.8, or can I generally expect my iptables stuff to continue to work? |
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| 21:57 | <witte> | verxion: it should work, but i have no idea about iptables... |
| 21:58 | <verxion> | or maybe iptables is now gone? |
| 21:58 | <verxion> | I used to use ipchains |
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| 21:58 | <verxion> | but changed to iptables when I built this system |
| 21:58 | <witte> | verxion: no, I don't think iptables are gone |
| 21:58 | <verxion> | is that still the standard way to do things? |
| 21:58 | <witte> | verxion: i am even quite sure of that |
| 21:58 | <verxion> | is there a better mechanism? |
| 21:58 | <verxion> | ok, thanks |
| 21:58 | <witte> | verxion: i am behind a router... so i have no firewall running |
| 21:59 | <witte> | verxion: or rather, that router is my firewall... |
| 21:59 | <verxion> | actually, it looks like 2.6.x is still current |
| 21:59 | <verxion> | that boggles my mind |
| 21:59 | <DDr> | witte, I installed sendmail, and it's sending mail with localhost.localdomain for some reason, thus yahoo and hotmail rejects it. Do you know how I can fix this issue? |
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| 22:00 | <witte> | DDr: no, i don't use sendmail |
| 22:00 | <Killing_Frost> | Look in /etc/mail/peers |
| 22:00 | <DDr> | Killing_Frost, what is that? |
| 22:00 | <Killing_Frost> | Where to keep the system info. |
| 22:01 | <DDr> | http://pastebin.ca/1004558 |
| 22:01 | <DDr> | this was in it |
| 22:01 | <Killing_Frost> | MASQUERADE_AS and MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE are importand for what you're doing. Masquerading as your ISP. |
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| 22:02 | <DDr> | so adding: MASQUERADE_AS(mydomain.com)dnl would fix it? |
| 22:03 | <DDr> | do I need to restart anything if I edit that file and how? |
| 22:04 | <Killing_Frost> | It should. You may have to move the MAILER_TABLEE line in sendmail.mc up a few lines before the include peers statement..It will warn you if they haven't fixed it yet. |
| 22:04 | <Killing_Frost> | Scratch that. |
| 22:04 | <Killing_Frost> | Lemme look. |
| 22:04 | * | DDr waiting :) |
| 22:05 | <DDr> | do I need anything about "SMART_HOST" ? |
| 22:06 | <verxion> | ok |
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| 22:07 | <verxion> | I rebooted after doing my "apt-get upgrade", and my masquerading no longer works |
| 22:07 | <verxion> | I double double checked and I have 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 22:09 | <DDr> | Killing_Frost, So I dont need to change anything else? |
| 22:09 | <DDr> | Do I need to restart sendmail? and how? |
| 22:09 | <Killing_Frost> | The MAILER_DEFINITIONS block should be the very last thing in sendmail.mc |
| 22:09 | <PatM2> | Hmm, is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg the only automatic way to generate xorg.conf? |
| 22:09 | <Killing_Frost> | just run sendmailconfig to read/compile everything. |
| 22:10 | <DDr> | ok |
| 22:10 | <DDr> | Killing_Frost, do I need to set smarthost? |
| 22:10 | <PatM2> | Or do I have to manually create all the screen entries, refresh rates and everything? |
| 22:11 | <Killing_Frost> | Set your system info in /etc/mail/peers/provider. That should cover it. Everything else is prettymuch controlled from /etc/mail/sendmail.conf |
| 22:11 | <verxion> | ok, looks like for whatever reason |
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| 22:12 | <verxion> | less was actually UNINSTALLED during the apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:14 | <Killing_Frost> | If you use MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE, it should make all your mail appear from your ISP, including local mail. |
| 22:15 | <DDr> | what's local mail? |
| 22:15 | <verxion> | Can someone tell me if "linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64" is appropriate for an AMD 3800 X2 ? |
| 22:16 | <verxion> | it looks like the most appropriate kernel image to me, but I haven't kept up |
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| 22:17 | <DDr> | Killing_Frost, my irc client ignored file... |
| 22:17 | <DDr> | crap |
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| 22:18 | <DDr> | what was the extension? I will enable it |
| 22:18 | <DDr> | by the way, how do I properly read mail from /var/mail ? |
| 22:18 | <DDr> | is there a utility? |
| 22:18 | <Killing_Frost> | Local mail is <name>@localhost |
| 22:18 | <DDr> | right now I'm downloading and viewing as text and theres more than one in it |
| 22:19 | <dondelelcaro> | DDr: mutt or similar will do it |
| 22:19 | <dondelelcaro> | DDr: any reasonable MUA can do so too |
| 22:19 | <DDr> | guys, how can I find out why hotmail and yahoo reject my mail? |
| 22:19 | <dondelelcaro> | DDr: they'll tell you in the 550 message |
| 22:21 | <DDr> | where do I check that? |
| 22:21 | <Killing_Frost> | In the mail you get. |
| 22:21 | <witte> | !amd64 |
| 22:21 | <dpkg> | amd64 is, like, the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 22:22 | <witte> | verxion: ^^ |
| 22:22 | <witte> | verxion: or do apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
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| 22:23 | <verxion> | witte: I am not sure I am following |
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| 22:23 | <verxion> | the cache show has it as an architecture of i386 |
| 22:23 | <verxion> | mainly I just want something that will use both cores |
| 22:23 | <DDr> | It says emails from ipaddresses not accepted |
| 22:23 | <verxion> | ahh, this is the pertinent section |
| 22:23 | <verxion> | This package provides the binary image and pre-built loadable modules for |
| 22:23 | <verxion> | Linux kernel 2.6.24 on all 64bit single- and multiprocessor AMD and Intel machines |
| 22:24 | <DDr> | Connections not accepted from IP addresses on Spamhaus XBL; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/550-bl23.html |
| 22:24 | <DDr> | do I need to configure /etc/hosts somehow? |
| 22:24 | <dondelelcaro> | DDr: so your IP is in the spamhaus XBL, remove yourself from it. |
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| 22:24 | <Xenguy> | heh |
| 22:24 | <witte> | verxion: yeah, they don't do 101 different versions of the kernel anymore, nowadays they support a lot with one kernel |
| 22:25 | <help> | if you're sending mail from a dynamic IP, use your provider's MTA. |
| 22:25 | <verxion> | ok, cool |
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| 22:25 | <verxion> | "back in the day" I always built my kernel specific for my needs. I generally had everything in the kernel, no modules unless I had to |
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| 22:25 | <help> | if you've got time to waste, you can still do that |
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| 22:25 | <Xenguy> | DDr: sometimes known as the 'smarthost' option IIRC |
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| 22:26 | <witte> | verxion: you can still do that, and it will get you will get at least 0.04% efficiency improvement ;-) |
| 22:26 | <witte> | !gentoosmite verxion |
| 22:26 | * | dpkg spends 8 weeks recompiling verxion, and when it's all done, verxion runs 0.1% faster than previously |
| 22:26 | <verxion> | witte: hehehe, I know processors are better these days |
| 22:27 | <verxion> | I used to use some really low end stuff tho |
| 22:27 | <verxion> | for years and years I had a 386 as my firewall/fileserver/gateway |
| 22:27 | <verxion> | it had three internet connections (all 28.8 modems) and served the internet to twenty machines |
| 22:28 | <verxion> | absolutely ANY performance gain I could get on that machine was warranted. :) |
| 22:28 | <PatM2> | I had to make a custom kernel for my box. Spent about a month figuring out how to get all the devices working. Couldn't run the box without doing that. |
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| 22:28 | <PatM2> | But then I have 64mb ram... |
| 22:28 | <verxion> | yeah, I can't remember for certain |
| 22:28 | <verxion> | but I think at one point at least, that 386 had only 4mb of ram |
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| 22:28 | * | Xenguy used to compile kernels cos it was fun; then he got lazy ... ;-) |
| 22:28 | <PatM2> | (yes, mb, not gb!) |
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| 22:29 | <na> | ei |
| 22:30 | <nevyn> | Xenguy: s/lazy/sensible/ |
| 22:30 | <verxion> | witte: ok, it says I need to update my kernel-img.conf |
| 22:30 | <verxion> | the file is super short, I don't know what I need to update in it though |
| 22:30 | <Xenguy> | nevyn: heh, well let's just say that after awhile the novelty wore off :-) |
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| 22:31 | <witte> | verxion: who says you have to update that file? |
| 22:31 | <verxion> | witte: apt-get install kernel-image does. :) |
| 22:31 | <witte> | verxion: there is a man page on kernel-img.conf |
| 22:31 | <nevyn> | Xenguy: it does that. |
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| 22:31 | <verxion> | fw:/etc# man kernel-image.conf |
| 22:31 | <verxion> | No manual entry for kernel-image.conf |
| 22:31 | <nevyn> | there's enough other stuff to worry about without maintaining your own packages of stuff |
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| 22:32 | <witte> | verxion: reread which manpage you should look for ;-) |
| 22:32 | <verxion> | fw:/etc# man kernel-img.conf |
| 22:32 | <verxion> | No manual entry for kernel-img.conf |
| 22:32 | <verxion> | ;) |
| 22:32 | <witte> | verxion: and you do mean apt-get install linux-image right? |
| 22:32 | <verxion> | yeah witte |
| 22:33 | <verxion> | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 22:33 | <verxion> | that is the exact command I ran |
| 22:33 | <witte> | verxion: i dont know why you need to change kernel-img.conf, but try installing kernel-package first |
| 22:33 | <verxion> | ok |
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| 22:34 | <witte> | verxion: it at least should have that manpage you were looking for |
| 22:34 | <verxion> | ahh, here we go |
| 22:34 | <verxion> | looks like things are changing |
| 22:34 | <verxion> | instead of having /sbin/update-grub |
| 22:35 | <verxion> | it should be update-grub |
| 22:35 | <co_suka_man_kendari> | ytu |
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| 22:35 | <swef> | uiui |
| 22:35 | <swef> | oppi |
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| 22:37 | <verxion> | ok, so final bit here |
| 22:37 | <verxion> | do I need to do anything to tell grub about the new kernel? |
| 22:37 | <verxion> | it LOOKS like I just run "update-grub" |
| 22:38 | <cwood> | verxion: you might want to check /boot/grub/menu.lst and see if it's configured to boot your kernel. |
| 22:38 | <verxion> | but I wanted to be sure before I reboot |
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| 22:38 | <witte> | verxion: normally grub should be reconfigured automatically |
| 22:39 | <verxion> | ok |
| 22:39 | <verxion> | I see four listings in menu.lst |
| 22:39 | <verxion> | two kernels, each has an ro and an ro single |
| 22:40 | <verxion> | only thing I don't know how to tell is which is the default |
| 22:40 | <verxion> | first is really first? |
| 22:40 | <cwood> | do the default, timeout, title, root, kernel, and initrd lines match files and configs match what you want? |
| 22:40 | <witte> | verxion: in principle it is the first, but read the file, you can change it that it is not the first... |
| 22:40 | <cwood> | The default line defines which is chosen to boot by default. |
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| 22:41 | <parmon> | hi. is this a help chan? |
| 22:41 | <cwood> | !ask |
| 22:41 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:42 | <parmon> | hi. i am trying to set my ip using "ifconfig eth0 address xxx.xxx.x.xx but i'm getting an error message saying "address: Host name lookup failure". am i doing something wrong here? |
| 22:42 | <cwood> | parmon: you can check to see if you've assigned the ip by doing "ifconfig eth0" by itself |
| 22:42 | <cwood> | parmon but you usually don't need the word "address" in there |
| 22:42 | <verxion> | ok, gonna try a rebewt |
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| 22:43 | <parmon> | btw thats the error msg i get when trying to set the ip. not afterwards |
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| 22:44 | <cwood> | parmon: ipconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.x.xx |
| 22:44 | <DDr> | for god sake, is there a doc where i can read how to roperly setup mail and configurre php to send mail from my debian system? |
| 22:46 | <cwood> | DDr: Presumably php should be sending mail to your local smtp daemon, which should itself route mail from your system. |
| 22:46 | <parmon> | thanks cwood. much appreciated. although i was doing what the man page told me to... :/ |
| 22:47 | <cwood> | parmon: I can't find where it says "address <ip>" in "man ifconfig", though. |
| 22:47 | <DDr> | cwood it the local dameon that I am ahaving problems with |
| 22:47 | <DDr> | it sends with IP instead of hostname and servers reject that |
| 22:47 | <parmon> | ... |
| 22:47 | <cwood> | DDr: what are your mail error logs saying? Further, you might want to implement proper dns and host-based email, then. |
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| 22:48 | <parmon> | i read it wrong |
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| 22:49 | <cwood> | parmon: ow, I share your pain. |
| 22:49 | <parmon> | i thought "address" was an option. should have noticed the lack of a dash in front of it. |
| 22:50 | <parmon> | i'm going to go play with my network now. |
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| 22:52 | <Mosfet> | how do i get flash to work with ubuntu 64? |
| 22:52 | <cwood> | !ubuntu |
| 22:52 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:53 | <DaCapn> | Not to mention that flash on 64-bit ubuntu has been well covered. |
| 22:53 | <Mosfet> | it keeps asking to update and when i do it sais no update available |
| 22:53 | <witte> | what is this, with ubuntu, do they point all their irc clients to #debian by default or what? |
| 22:54 | <witte> | Mosfet: you are at the wrong channel |
| 22:54 | <DaCapn> | Yeah, that's probably the strangest thing. |
| 22:54 | <Mosfet> | hmm , i do apologize |
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| 22:55 | <witte> | Mosfet: no problem, check out #ubuntu on freenode.net |
| 22:55 | <DDr> | guys, how can I setup sendmail so that it sends emails from host and not IP? cos emails sent from IP are rejected |
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| 22:55 | <verxion> | hey, I just wanted to stop back in |
| 22:55 | <verxion> | everything worked awesome |
| 22:56 | <cwood> | verxion: damn... have to put away my schadenfreude. ;) |
| 22:56 | <verxion> | thank you SOOO much witte and cwood and dondelelcaro |
| 22:56 | <verxion> | you three all helped me immensely |
| 22:56 | <dboss> | using knoppix in vmware harddrive install, is guest OS on XP host, using usb to ide adapteradapter drive set to cable select...how can i get knoppix to detect the drive please...anyone helllppp? |
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| 22:56 | <cwood> | !knoppix |
| 22:56 | <dpkg> | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems. |
| 22:57 | <witte> | verxion: you are welcome, but please update a bit more often |
| 22:57 | <verxion> | I just know from experience that very often people get help and never report back to tell people or thank them |
| 22:57 | <verxion> | so I always make a point to do that |
| 22:57 | <cwood> | witte: no he shouldn't, then we wouldn't have more of this fun in a few years. :p |
| 22:57 | <verxion> | witte: I agree, I definitely will |
| 22:57 | <verxion> | cwood: lol! |
| 22:57 | <witte> | !lol |
| 22:57 | <dpkg> | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:58 | <cwood> | !heh |
| 22:58 | <dpkg> | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. Or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh |
| 22:58 | <dboss> | lolis |
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| 22:58 | <dboss> | lol is stupid |
| 22:58 | <dboss> | bwahahahahaha |
| 22:58 | <verxion> | anyway |
| 22:58 | <verxion> | thanks again! :) |
| 22:59 | <witte> | cwood: the link dpkg pointed to is "address not found" |
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| 22:59 | <cwood> | witte: can we submit a bug against dpkg? |
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| 23:00 | <witte> | cwood: you can, but i doubt the people who maintain the package will be very amused if you do |
| 23:00 | <witte> | cwood: but if you know the correct link, you can change it |
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| 23:01 | <dboss> | so any of you ladies can help me out? |
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| 23:02 | <cwood> | oh, how? |
| 23:04 | <witte> | cwood: you could say "dpkg no, heh is <new text>" or alternatively: "dpkg: heh =~ s/<something>/<something else>/" |
| 23:05 | <witte> | cwood: you could also use # as a delimiter in the latter case |
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| 23:05 | <cwood> | Thanks, I'll google when I have a moment. |
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| 23:07 | <DDr> | what is the most common "sendmail" type of program used in linux? |
| 23:07 | <DDr> | I need to set it up properly please |
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| 23:08 | <cwood> | DDr: depends entirely on your needs. Perhaps look in the mail section of packages.debian.org. I've used Sendmail, Exim, Postfix, preferred the latter. |
| 23:08 | <nevyn> | DDr: the most common MTA is sendmail |
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| 23:09 | <DDr> | cwood, what do i need to configure so that sendmail sends mail via host, not ip? |
| 23:09 | <DDr> | servers are rejecting my mail |
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| 23:10 | <DDr> | I'm going crazy of helplessness |
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| 23:10 | <cwood> | DDr: so from the command line using mailx or mutt or something, you mail somebody and it gets rejected in your mail logs? |
| 23:10 | <nevyn> | DDr: but it's archane and crufty and unless you already know it or know someone who knows it I'd strongly advise using exim4 or postfix |
| 23:11 | <cwood> | nevyn: Do you have a source on MTA usage statistics? |
| 23:12 | <DDr> | cwood, no I'm sending via PHP. gmail accepts it, yahoo and hotmail reject and error messages look like this: |
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| 23:12 | <witte> | !mta comparison |
| 23:12 | <dpkg> | mta comparison is probably http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
| 23:12 | <DDr> | Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 OU-001 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for policy reasons. Reasons for rejection may be related to content with spam-like characteristics or IP/domain reputation problems. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service Provider for help. Email/network admins, please visit http://postmaster.live.com for email delivery information and support |
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| 23:12 | <DDr> | Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 Mail from myipwashere not allowed - 5.7.1 [BL23] Connections not accepted from IP addresses on Spamhaus XBL; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/550-bl23.html |
| 23:13 | <cwood> | DDr: sounds like you're getting rejected for reasons unrelated to your configuration. Read up on anti-spam techniques, perhaps. |
| 23:13 | <DDr> | no dude.. I'm not a spammer... sending mail to my users |
| 23:13 | <DDr> | they just see mail delivered by ip, not host for some reason |
| 23:14 | <dboss> | Hmmm interesting |
| 23:14 | <cwood> | DDr: what I mean is that the server on the other end seems to think that you have characteristics of a spammer. Perhaps your ip address was used in the past by a spammer, and so on. |
| 23:15 | <DDr> | cwood, or could it be that it sees that email was sent by IP not HOST and that's why? |
| 23:15 | <DDr> | like: Message-ID: <ab9c94d2e60c0d6310f249b40b6dda91@localhost.localdomain> |
| 23:15 | <DDr> | that does not look right |
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| 23:16 | <DDr> | and this: Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]) |
| 23:16 | <DDr> | I dont know... |
| 23:16 | <cwood> | Yeah, sounds like your domain name setup needs work. |
| 23:16 | <DDr> | I'm so frusraed |
| 23:16 | <DDr> | cwood, how can I achieve that? |
| 23:17 | <cwood> | DDr: Have you configured your own hostname and dns information? Does Sendmail know which system you're running on? If you don't know the answer, try reading "man hostname" and read the sendmail docs. |
| 23:17 | <cwood> | !sendmail |
| 23:17 | <dpkg> | sendmail is one of the older <Mail Transfer Agents>, configurable using m4 and it's own cf language. If you don't know why you want to use sendmail, consider using <postfix> or <exim> instead. Ask me about <mta comparison> for more information. |
| 23:17 | <cwood> | perhaps apt-get install sendmail-doc |
| 23:17 | <cwood> | But really, read those postmaster.live.com etc links. They will help you. |
| 23:19 | <nevyn> | cwood: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=exim4+sendmail+postfix+ssmtp+nullmailer&show_installed=on&show_recent=on&show_nofiles=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&from_date=&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1 |
| 23:19 | <DDr> | when I type hostname in my cli, it gives me an integer |
| 23:19 | <nevyn> | bleh sorry about the url. |
| 23:19 | <cwood> | nevyn: ty |
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| 23:19 | <cwood> | !hostname |
| 23:19 | <dpkg> | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 23:19 | <cwood> | !hosts |
| 23:19 | <witte> | DDr: is /etc/hosts configured? |
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| 23:20 | <DDr> | I played with it and probably is not set right |
| 23:21 | <DDr> | 127.0.0.1 55340 localhost find-guild.com |
| 23:21 | <nevyn> | cwood: a quite useful page that. |
| 23:21 | <DDr> | this is what it looks like |
| 23:21 | <cwood> | !flood |
| 23:21 | <dpkg> | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:21 | <DDr> | sorry |
| 23:21 | <cwood> | Ddr: nope, not right. Read "man hosts". |
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| 23:22 | <witte> | DDr: that number does not need to be there |
| 23:22 | <cwood> | DDr: sounds like 55340 is the integer you get when you try "hostname" |
| 23:24 | <DDr> | should I put my external ip in hosts file? |
| 23:24 | <cwood> | DDr: might help |
| 23:24 | <DDr> | http://pastebin.ca/1004597 |
| 23:24 | <witte> | DDr: what do you mean with external? your routers? |
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| 23:25 | <DDr> | witte, I dont know.. I'ma struggling newbie trying to configure vps |
| 23:25 | <DDr> | can you help me setup my hostname as mydomain? |
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| 23:26 | <cwood> | DDr: instead of the whole thing at once, perhaps start with the building blocks. Get your own hostname, hosts file, then mail, then work on the php bit. |
| 23:27 | <DDr> | I got domainr egistered |
| 23:27 | <witte> | DDr: look at /sbin/ifconfig, there you can see your ip |
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| 23:27 | <witte> | DDr: the first line of your hosts file is correct, fill the ip in the second one, and see if that works |
| 23:28 | <DDr> | ok, one sec |
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| 23:31 | <DDr> | are those tabs between: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 23:31 | <Lucky> | How do I tell cryptsetup to try to mount a different /dev/sd*? I just updated my encrypted etch system to the recent security updated kernel. As a result, my boot drive has changed from /dev/sda to /dev/sdi. And cryptsetup still tries to mount /dev/sda5 |
| 23:31 | <witte> | DDr: doesnt matter i think |
| 23:33 | <DDr> | ok, I've set the hostname and when I type hostname it shows find-guild.com which is correct |
| 23:33 | <DDr> | anthign else? |
| 23:34 | <witte> | DDr: when i come to think of it, it is a strange hostname |
| 23:34 | <witte> | DDr: i would expect pc.domain.com |
| 23:34 | <witte> | DDr: or rather hostname.domain.com |
| 23:34 | <DDr> | there needs to be 3 parts like that? |
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| 23:35 | <witte> | DDr: in your cause i guess findguild.find-guild.com |
| 23:35 | <DDr> | may i ask why findguild in front is necessary? |
| 23:35 | <nevyn> | it's not. |
| 23:35 | <witte> | DDr: what is your domain |
| 23:35 | <DDr> | domain is find-guild.com |
| 23:35 | <nevyn> | having an A record for your domain only is perfectly valid |
| 23:36 | <nevyn> | you don't need www or host.domain.com |
| 23:36 | <nevyn> | people get confused when you dont sometimes tho. |
| 23:36 | <witte> | ah, ok, nevyn knows more about it than i do |
| 23:36 | <witte> | and i was one of the confused people:-) |
| 23:36 | <DDr> | quick question, how can I clear /var/mail/root emailsin it? |
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| 23:36 | <cwood> | You can delete /var/mail/root if you don't want anythin in it. |
| 23:37 | <DDr> | no I want it, but there's many rejected emails in it and I want to start off fresh |
| 23:38 | <nevyn> | witte: what is evil is having host.domain.com with an A record and no A record for domain.com |
| 23:39 | <cwood> | DDr: then move the file elsewhere to keep it. |
| 23:39 | <witte> | nevyn: and what is an A record again? |
| 23:39 | <nevyn> | a link from a name to an ip address |
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| 23:43 | <kerneld> | Does debian support any single instance filesystems? |
| 23:43 | <DDr> | Ok, I am close to giving up, I dont know how to troubleshoot shit... |
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| 23:43 | <cwood> | DDr: if you give up now, you'll never learn anything. Why not settle down somewhere comfy and read documentation? |
| 23:43 | <nevyn> | kerneld: what's a single instance filesystem? |
| 23:44 | <DDr> | cwood, where do I start? |
| 23:44 | <kerneld> | nevyn: delta encoded data, deduplication, ... |
| 23:44 | <cwood> | DDr: you can start with the basics: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
| 23:44 | <kerneld> | nevyn: tHINK RSYNC, BUT BUILT INTO THE FILESYSTEM |
| 23:44 | <cwood> | and the docs for your system |
| 23:44 | <cwood> | !doc |
| 23:44 | <dpkg> | methinks doc is ...files are now stored under /usr/share/doc, or see documentation, or apt-cache search -- "-doc$" |
| 23:44 | <kerneld> | err not meant to be caps |
| 23:44 | <nevyn> | I get what you mean now. |
| 23:44 | <stratman4300> | whats the name of the developers channel?? |
| 23:44 | <nevyn> | like a content hashing store. |
| 23:45 | <kerneld> | nevyn: Yep |
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| 23:52 | <DDr> | Quick question: will apt-get remove sendmail remove it's configuration files too? |
| 23:52 | <cwood> | you need --purge to scourge everything |
| 23:52 | <avu> | DDr, no |
| 23:52 | <stratman4300> | DDr: no |
| 23:52 | <kerneld> | DDr: you need to dpkg --purge |
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| 23:53 | <DDr> | what would be the entire command for sendmail? |
| 23:53 | <avu> | apt-get has --purge, too. or you could use aptitude purge sendmail |
| 23:53 | <stratman4300> | DDr: apt-get remove --purge sendmail |
| 23:54 | <DDr> | omg, now I'm really confused... what's difference between /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname? |
| 23:55 | <kerneld> | dpkg --force-all --purge libc6 |
| 23:55 | <dpkg> | kerneld: wish i knew |
| 23:55 | <kerneld> | :P |
| 23:55 | <cwood> | read man hosts and man hostname |
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| 23:56 | <kerneld> | DDr: if you change your hostname, be sure to change /etc/hostname too |
| 23:56 | <DDr> | so /etc/hosts has nothing to do with server hostname! |
| 23:57 | <kerneld> | DDr: No, but it is always worth re-visiting /etc/hosts |
| 23:57 | <kerneld> | you install hostname is prob set as an alias to localhost |
| 23:58 | <DDr> | Ok, my domain name is find-guild.com, for god sake guys, tell me how to configure system correctly so it knows it's host/hostanme is find-guild.com |
| 23:59 | <kerneld> | DDr: what does the output of hostname command say |
| 23:59 | <DDr> | find-guild.com |
| 23:59 | <kerneld> | if it doesn't say waht you thinkl, run it with the desired hostname, then edit /etc/hostname |
| 23:59 | <DDr> | but in /etc/hostname it says 55340 |
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