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---Logopened Thu May 01 00:00:46 2008
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00:08<nano>when using ndiswrapper, I have setup everything correctly; however, wlan0 doesn't show up with "iwconfig"
00:08<nano>therefore i can't setup connect to any networks.
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00:25<kurumin__>e ae
00:25<kurumin__>bom dia
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00:27<hellues>i need package linux-kbuild-2.6.25-1-686-bigmem
00:28<hellues>how can i take this package i cnnot find this package
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00:29<kop>hellues : You've tried "aptitude search kbuild"?
00:30<Christmas>try "apt-get install linux-kbuild-2.6.24" as root
00:30<Christmas>2.6.25 is not in lenny yet
00:30<hellues>also is not in sid
00:31<hellues>there is no such package
00:31<Christmas>what do you need it for?
00:31<hellues>in sid
00:31<hellues>i installed linux-image-2.6.25-1-686-bigmem
00:31<kop>I'm afraid my brain is leaking. Is there anywere the kernel .config file is kept? I assume it's in the kernel source package but does it come in any of the binaries etc?
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00:32<hellues>and i will install nvidia,alsa but i coldnt do nothing because of kbuild
00:32<Christmas>but there's no need for 2.6.25
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00:32<Christmas>why don't you use 2.6.24?
00:32<kop>hellues: Are you sure you want to be running sid? You need to be something of an expert to run sid.
00:33<hellues>actually i want to use newest kernel but there is no solution aabout kbuild i guess i will pass 2.6.24
00:33<Christmas>it should be fine
00:33<hellues>only the kernel is sid
00:33<kop>hellues: You can always build your own kernel, but usually people have a reason.
00:33<hellues>i dont know how kernel build :D
00:34<hellues>soon i have a project about compile kernel :D
00:34<Christmas>get the source and read the readme :D
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00:34<hellues>i have source linux-source-2.6.25
00:35<hellues>can i compile kernel for linux-kbuild
00:35<Christmas>well you can find a guide for compiling it
00:35<Christmas>don't know
00:36<kop>hellues : "man make-kpkg" and zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-package.gz for the debian way to do it.
00:37<hellues>oki i ask a quenstion abouıt compiling
00:37<hellues>can i use c language for compile kernel ?
00:38<kop>What I really want to know is whether support for a particular device is in the various debian kernels. I suppose I could suck it up and download the various kernel sources and look at the .config files, but is there a better way to find out?
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00:38<kop>hellues : It's all laid out in kernel-package.gz. What other packages you need to install first.
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00:39<kop>hellues : Yes, the kernel is written in C.
00:40<hellues>hmm thanls
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00:40<hellues>which library is used for compiling
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00:41<hellues>do you know a page linux-doc is enough for learning smt about compiling
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00:45<kop>hellues : I gave you the pages for the debian way to make kernel packages. The "classic" way is the README file in the linux kernel source.
00:46<kop>hellues : But you'd better read the debian stuff or you won't have the packages installed you need to compile.
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00:48<hellues>i have to compile a simple thing in kernel for example while opening debian i must put debian logo i have to do smt like that
00:48<kop>hellues : See also the reference manual at
00:48<kop>hellues : "opening?"
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00:50<kop>How do the debian kernel maintainers decide what modules to include?
00:50<craigevil>magic roulet wheel
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00:51<hellues>kop, in the grub you click kernel and you see some line in the black screen
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00:52<hellues>i want to put a debian llogo to black screen
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00:53<kop>hellues : That's a grub question and does not have to do with the kernel. Learn to use info and read "info grub", the part on adding an image. At least I think that's what you want.
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00:54<kop>craigevil : Any clue what sort of sacrifices must be burnt to influence the process?
00:54<craigevil>ubuntu users
00:55<kop>craigevil :)
00:55<hellues>i want to find simple kernel compiling project
00:55<hellues>can you suggest smt to me
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01:15<prathibha>Hai, In my debian partition hibernate works fine for root user and for non-root user I get the following error "HAL failed to hibernate. Check the help file for common problems". How to solve this problem.
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01:20<hellues>can i compile firefox3.0 from source for debian
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01:22<phillipsjk>prathibha, you may have to add the user to the /etc/sudoers file. In any case check the documentation for which command is run.
01:22<prathibha>phillipsjk, ya. it's already added
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01:23<phillipsjk>do you have the sudo packge installed?
01:24<phillipsjk>Did you edit the file with visudo?
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01:26<phillipsjk>hellues, you can do anything you want with your computer :)
01:26<hellues>how can i take firefox source
01:26<hellues>apt-get-source firefox ?
01:27<phillipsjk>the reason I didn't suggest backports is I doubt ff 3 is included yet.
01:27<dpkg>i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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01:28<hellues>hmm i understand i take iceweasel as source
01:28<hellues>how can i compile this ?
01:28<hellues>what is dsc ?
01:28<phillipsjk>You can alway compile the "upstream" source if you know what you are doing.
01:29<kop>hellues : Usually you install the source package and then read the INSTALL file, which says how to do it.
01:29<hellues>actually i dont have any idead but i want to learn
01:29<hellues>/usr/share/doc/iceweasel ?
01:30<kop>hellues: Usually it comes down to: ./configure ; make ; make install The bad part is then you're not using apt (or whatever package manager) which means your system will eventually turn to muck. Better read the debian reference manual at for instructions on how to make a debian package.
01:32<hellues>i dont want to do deb package i want to compile it from source
01:32<kop>hellues : You can compile the source and make a .deb package.
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01:32<kop>hellues : How do you think .deb packages get made?
01:33<phillipsjk>hellues even sid is using version 2:
01:33<hellues>i dont know actually :d
01:33<hellues>but i wonna learn
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01:34<phillipsjk>Hellues: you may want to start with a smaller packge with fewer dependencies.
01:36<hellues>hmm i want to start wih iceweasel because i am not glad from iceweasel.
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01:40<phillipsjk>Compiling your own is non-trivial for large complicated programs like mozilla and lyx. As kop mentioned, the source packges or upstream source usually have compiling instructions included.
01:41<phillipsjk>If you don't make a deb, you probably want to use /usr/local
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01:42*phillipsjk tried compiling lyx once and discovered hardware problems
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01:58<prathibha>phillipsjk, any solution to solve my problem
01:59<soundheart>How can I connect aptitude to a debian server so that it can download/install/upgrade packages?
01:59<soundheart>I didn't do that during installation.
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02:02<hellues>my wireless does not work
02:03<hellues>i have to do right things it always worked in this time does not work
02:03<hellues>what can i do fro that i dont understand the reason
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02:09<phillipsjk>prathibha, did you use visudo? sudo refuses to process the sudoers file it it is no syntacticly correct.
02:09<gsimmons>soundheart: You'd need to adjust your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
02:09<gsimmons>!tell soundheart -about sources.list
02:10<prathibha>phillipsjk, the user is already added in my sudoers file
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02:16<soundheart>gsimmons: kedit /etc/apt/sources.list
02:16<soundheart>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
02:16<soundheart>Xlib: No protocol specified
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02:20<phillipsjk>prathibha, check the NOPASSWD tag in the sudoers man page. The file format is verbose to allow the use of identical copies on every machine of a LAN.
02:21<phillipsjk>I am also not sure you need sudo; I have never set up hibernation. THe documentation for the program you are using should tell you though.
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02:23<prathibha>phillipsjk, ok. Actually I am able to run commnads from non-root user using sudo without password.
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02:44<soundheart>what does this mean?
02:44<soundheart>W: Couldn't stat source package list stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ - stat (2 No such file or directory)
02:45<nevyn>run apt-get update
02:45<nevyn>if it's still broken then the repo is mid update or broken
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03:25<adri>hello all
03:25<adri>i have again problem with upgrade with packege ttf-opensymbol
03:25<adri>why this packege is in mirror ?
03:25<adri>this packege is to bugy
03:26<adri>in mirror
03:26<adri>its fun...
03:26<adri>debian is a big name ...
03:27<adri>but 1000 developers dont know what doing
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03:28<weasel>I said #debian might be able to help. I'm not surprised nobody tries to, the way you are behaving.
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03:28<adri>i like debian but ...
03:29<adri>its no ormal
03:29<nevyn>adri: nobody's forcing you to use it.
03:29<adri>its no normal
03:29<adri>no its no my problem its a debian developers problem
03:30<weasel>you have so far only insulted, complained, and whined
03:30<weasel>and not provided a single useful thing
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03:30<weasel>if you can't do that just go away, will you?
03:30<nevyn>or even a detail that might allow people to assist you with your problem.
03:31<adri>i`m not here with a bad things
03:32<adri>only report bug for good and best evolution
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03:33<weasel>you have not given a bug report.
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03:33<weasel>you have not even complained in a useful manner, you have complained in a unhelpful way.
03:34<cahoot>a vomit isn't a bug report?
03:34<weasel>adri: a but report tells people what is the problem, it doesn't come insulting and saying "your crap is too buggy" and then nothing more.
03:34<weasel>read this.
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03:35<adri>Setting up ttf-opensymbol (2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5) ...
03:35<adri>Updating fontconfig cache...
03:35<adri>.Setting up ttf-opensymbol (2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5) ...
03:35<adri>Updating fontconfig cache...
03:35<adri>./usr/share/fonts/X11/encodings: failed to write cache
03:36<adri>this is a old bug
03:36<adri>./usr/share/fonts/X11/encodings: failed to write cache
03:36<adri>dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--configure):
03:36<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
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03:37<weasel>dpkg: shut up
03:37<dpkg>Kiss my shiny metal ass!
03:37<weasel>adri: so your system clock was wrong at one point, or is now?
03:37<weasel>what is your system time?
03:37<adri>this is a new instalation
03:40<weasel>see this for background and a workaround
03:40<weasel>also, you didn't answer my question
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03:44<adri>where ?
03:44<weasel>Thu 09:37:56 <weasel> what is your system time?
03:44<adri>uptime or ?
03:44<weasel>never mind. good luck.
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03:49<Johann>can anyone tell me why i cant listen the sounds of gnome?
03:49<simonrvn>it chooses to be quiet, to save your ears. those mushrooms can be noisy
03:50<Johann>it suggested to me that i install gnome-audio...but i look for it in synaptic and it doesnt appear
03:50<Johann>haha, lol
03:50<Johann>how can i do?
03:50<simonrvn>gnome-audio installs various ogg and wav
03:51<Johann>but it doesnt appear in synaptic
03:51<simonrvn>searched for it?
03:51<simonrvn>i know it's there
03:51<Johann>vlicked on "search" and wrote "gnome-audio"
03:52<Johann>nothing appeared
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03:52<simonrvn>update, maybe your cache is old, or last update got screwed
03:53<Johann>how can i do that?
03:53<simonrvn>look at the help
03:53<Johann>on reload??
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04:32<_42>tg Escobar
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04:36<hellues>i am downloading firmware-iwlwifi
04:37<hellues>i have linux-image-2.6.24-1 and i have it source
04:37<hellues>after installing firmware-iwlwifi i do modprobe mac80211
04:37<hellues>wireless doesnt work
04:37<hellues>what can reason be ?
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04:41<suiside>!doesn't work
04:41<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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04:46<snogglethorpe>wow, that was effective...
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04:47<cahoot>especially since he described rather well what he'd done
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04:49<elky>better than most manage, indeed
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04:49<cahoot>from which the reason for failure was obvious
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04:50<cahoot>(well at leas one obvious cause for failure)
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05:07<markybob>ok guys, #deluge on needs help. repeatedly getting join floods by someone with variants of "Yvonne" nick. ops arent responding for help so i was wondering is someone here had op there that could help
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05:08<markybob>this user had been attacking that channel for 30 minutes now :(
05:09<Desiac>trying to compile a new kernel, kept failing, with the following error: VFS: Cannot open root device mapper/<hostname>-root or unknown-block(0,0) , confirmed that the grub menu.1st entry is similar to the exisitng. assumed that it was the way i was building my kernel, so a lil research and found that deb now has / or prolly has had for a while a kernel packageing system. havent compiled since ye old 2.2 days. so used the guide
05:09<Desiac> and received the same error. I grabed the config created by the installer and imported into new tree. same problem, anyone have any ideas or can help out
05:10<cahoot>Desiac: just one idea - 2.6.24 kernels tend to look for sd* not hd*
05:10<padski>Desiac, error says it can't find the root filesystem
05:11<cahoot>(or rather provide)
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05:30<noy>yes hey guys i need alot of help im setting up my eee 2g surf laptop from the internet usb installer.. after i get done installing debian i dont have a xserver-xorg. so really i dont have a gui when i installed it i did the standard insyall plus laptop thats it
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05:31<padski>noy, hi
05:32<noy>ive been at this for awhile i use to use ubuntu but saw debian might be better for the asus 2g surf laptop. the only thing is im installing it wrong some how
05:33<padski>noy, what brings you to that conclusion ?
05:33<noy>i cant acces the xserver
05:34<noy>i tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and its not there
05:35<dpkg>i heard eee is see
05:35<noflash>noy, there's #debian-eeepc on this network
05:35<noy>so i decided lets mess around a bit i did a apt-get install xserver-xorg and fluxbox just to see if i could get it to run
05:36<noy>but the xserver wont start any ideas on how i can start the xserver?
05:36<noy>oh yea
05:37<noy>debian-eeepc is a channel ill head over there right now but would u know how to manually start the xserver? thanks
05:38<padski>noy, there is some detail about the xorg.conf in the wiki page DebianEeePC/HowTo/Configure
05:38<padski>including compiz config :-)
05:38<noy>aww okay
05:39<padski>noy, it says ' Device "Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller"'
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05:39<noy>ill have to wait till later as my other comuter is broke :)
05:39<padski>noy, you could do hte X -probeonly type stuff or read the log in /var/log, but I would try the irc channel first
05:40<noy>whats the x -probeonly?
05:41<noy>im going to try that terminal lines are making me feel iLL
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05:41<noy>k irc first thank you very much
05:41<padski>noy, terminal is good for you ;-)
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06:32<markybob>it's still getting attack. most 2 hours now with now help
06:32<azeem>markybob: ask in #freenode on freenode, maybe?
06:32<azeem>we can't do anything about non-debian chans on other networks
06:33<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I was about to ask a question and then some flooders attack The freenode #debian =/
06:33<markybob>azeem most ops here are ops there. that's what i was hoping for
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06:33<azeem>in #deluge?
06:33<markybob>no, i meant #debian. sorry if i said #deluge
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06:34<azeem>I'm not going to sit here all day fighting yvonne, when freenode staff is already doing the same
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06:35<padski>who is yvonne ?
06:35<azeem>padski: markybob is talking about #debian on freenode
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06:36<padski>azeem, I gathered.
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06:38<markybob>azeem all day, eh? you havent spent a second, let alone a minute. way to help debian out
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06:39<dpkg>hmm... webdav is "Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning". It is a set of extensions to the HTTP protocol which allows users to collaboratively edit and manage files on remote web servers.
06:39<azeem>markybob: 10:28 -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*=yvonne@*] by azeem
06:39<pleb2>Anyone have ideas on how to access Webdav in debian?
06:40<azeem>markybob: now please keep in on topic
06:41<Simon42>pleb2: There have to be at least a fuse fs... There is always a fuse fs... ;-)
06:41<pleb2>;) Cheers Simon42, is there not an easy way :P
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06:42<padski>pleb2, what are you trying to do ?
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06:43<pleb2>I am trying to re arrange folders on a secure site
06:43<pleb2>the server has webdav enabled, and in windows i can use network folders in my computer
06:44<pleb2>how would one do this on debian ;)
06:44<pleb2>i've tried just stuffing webdav:// but i think its failing as the site is https
06:44<padski>I don't know off-hand. will knoquerer or nautilus do this ?
06:44<eddy>hi guys - a simple question. How do I install one of the sets of packages that were offered at boot-time. I only installed "Standard System", how would I install "Desktop Environment" from dpkg/apt?
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06:45<padski>eddy, tasksel
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06:45<eddy>effecient and correct. Thanks very much for that!!!
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06:46<eddy>I am setting up this server for a small business... one more little win for debian (chosen over my normal choice of slackware)
06:46<eddy>bye all!
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06:46<pleb2>Bye Eddy
06:47<pleb2>Could i use K net attach?
06:48<pleb2>Hurrar, that is the way to do it! Thanks anyway padski, sticking remote:/ and using the wizard, you can add webdav folders ;)
06:49<padski>pleb2, webdavs:// works in konqueror for me
06:50<padski>pleb2, looks like it might be simply davs:// in nautilus
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06:51<pleb2>Padski, what do i use for secure?
06:51<pleb2>Webdav wizard isnt working :(
06:52<padski>pleb2, that is the 's', just like http and https
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06:52<padski>pleb2, nautilus works for me also.
06:53<pleb2>:) okay i'll try webdavs
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06:54<adii>i know that "renice" can change a process' priority, but how can i see which priority it has at the moment ?
06:55<adii>i'll check that
06:55<padski>adii, man ps
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06:59<pleb2>padski, no Joy, im thinking its not webDAV, but i carnt think for the life of me how it works, i go into network places, click new network place
06:59<pleb2>stick the web address in,
06:59<pleb2>and it asks for username and pass, and then shows me the files on the webby
06:59<pleb2>its not ftp :\
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07:00<pleb2>adii: I use ps ax
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07:04<pleb2>ps -efl will show you the nice in a pretty number tho ;)
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07:08<pleb2>padski: Any idea's?
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07:09<padski>pleb2, about ?
07:10<pleb2>how the webfolders option on windows works, and if i can connect to it within debian?
07:10<pleb2>or is this another job for virtualbox?
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07:10<padski>pleb2, it is not webdav ?
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07:14<pleb2>Padski, I always thought it was, as I definatly put the server address into windows as
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07:15<padski>pleb2, anything usefull here:
07:18<pleb2>Looks useful
07:18<pleb2>but it works fine in windows
07:18<pleb2>i want to be able to access it in KDE
07:19<pleb2>it has to be webdav however
07:19<padski>pleb2, are you the admin at the windows end, or can you get support from that corner ?
07:19<pleb2>No, its hosted by an external company
07:20<pleb2>they use a combination of IIS and ISA
07:20<pleb2>it makes me feel i'll at the thought
07:21<padski>pleb2, fear not, that is a healthy reaction ;-)
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07:21<pleb2>I'm guessing its a microsoft "feature" that it doesnt work very happily with webdav clients which happen to not be windows
07:21<antgel>i hope it's not getting flooded here like freenode
07:21<antgel>i have a large .gif that is too small to read when printing on a sheet of a4. but gimp doesn't appear to give me any options to spread the printing over several pages. how can i spread it so it prints over several pages?
07:21<padski>pleb2, never attribute to malice that which is easily explained by incompetence
07:21<antgel>(doesn't have to be using gimp)
07:22<cahoot>antgel: convert to pdf makes it unusable?
07:22<pleb2>antgel does your printer software not have the option?? our kyo's have the ability to print "poster mode"
07:23<pleb2>blows a4 up to 4 x a4
07:23<antgel>cahoot: if i convert it to pdf, how then can i print it across multiple pages
07:23<antgel>pleb2: no, my printer is basic, i want to do it in software
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07:24<pleb2>hmmm, antgel can you cheat and tell it your printing on a3 sheet but choose a4 paper?
07:24<stevem_>Lo when I startup/shutdown debian it tries to start/stop apache-ssl... however according to apt I don't have this installed (and don't need it either) but it exists in /etc/init,d/ - should I just delete it in this directory?
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07:25<antgel>pleb2: with respect, do you know the answer or are you just guessing?
07:25<antgel>stevem_: aptitude purge apache-ssl
07:25<pleb2>antgel <3
07:25<pleb2>Just trying to help in my newbie way
07:25*pleb2 goes for food
07:25<stevem_>antgel: that won't effect apache2 (which I do use) will it?
07:25*pleb2 is away: foood
07:26<antgel>pleb2: i appreciate it, but i am quite capable of dicking around randomly myself :P
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07:26<antgel>stevem_: aptitude show apache-ssl should give you the answer.
07:27<antgel>i don't know why people don't purge packages unless they need to keep the config files, it's bad housekeeping to leave them lying around
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07:53<Cha0S>hi! i have strange issue with my server - it doesn't reply sometimes on SYN packets. can somebody point out why could it happen?
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08:11<dilhan>can someone help me?
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08:11<padski>what does QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2 mean from dig ?
08:11<dilhan>i want to transfer sjoomla insttalation files to remote severe
08:12<dilhan>i'm using filezilla
08:12<dilhan>but i do no knw hw to set permissino properly while doing that
08:13<dilhan>i mean through filezilla
08:13<dilhan>i want to set permission for www-data
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08:17<DarkWolf>anyone with an Asus m2n-x plus (nvidia n-force) board had / has troubles with his or her ethernet and sound?
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08:23<padski>dilham, try #filezilla on freenode
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08:27<padski>DarkWolf, what happens ?
08:28<DarkWolf>i get an error 'device /dev/dsp' can't me opened... (it's not present in /dev) when kde stats
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08:28<DarkWolf>the 'soundcard' (it's on board) shows up on lspci
08:29<DarkWolf>(i'm running the debian stock kernel)
08:29<dpkg>from memory, sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to
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08:38<personman>hmm i was having trouble getting dolphin to run in kde4, error about libnepomuk, new packages in experimental seem to fix it :D
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08:44<Yappy>Does anyone know how to specify no keyboard in a preseed file?
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08:49<padski>Yappy, as opposed to ?
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08:50<padski>Yappy, I have one here that is "d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap string uk" if that helps
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08:54<padski>Yappy, or "d-i console-tools/archs select at"
08:54<Yappy>padski: it doesn't, I'm trying to preseed xen guests and it doesn't really have a keyboard. I tried the console=tty hack but that's not working for me
08:54<Yappy>Thanks though -
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08:54<Yappy>Sorry - console=ttyS0
08:55<Yappy>Ah - got - that part of the console line has to be in the xen config.
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09:09<preto>alg do brasil
09:09<homer>hello everyone, please help me with a sound problem i am heaving
09:10<SlayerXP>the bnx2 driver appears to have disappeared from testing's kernel
09:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:10<homer>for some reason i don'g have sound on my computer, and a red cross on my volume control. when double clicking it i get two error messsages
09:11<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bnx2 is the Broadcom NetXtreme II (BCM5706/5708) driver. Disabled since 'linux-2.6' 2.6.23-1 due to binary-only firmware, see
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09:11<homer>1. no volume control GStreamer plubings and/or devices found.
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09:12<cahoot>homer: the sorry owner of a hda-intel device?
09:13<homer>cahoot, sorry don't understand the question
09:13<cahoot>homer: what kind of sounddevice/shipset?
09:13<homer>oh, got ya
09:14<cahoot>homer: cat /proc/asound/modules
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09:15<homer>no such path exists
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09:15<cahoot>so alsa isn't loaded
09:15<cahoot>try alsa restart as root
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09:16<homer>oh, i know it isn't loaded, sorry already did:
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09:16<homer>alsa reload, and alsa-utils start
09:16<homer>it always tell me that no module is loaded
09:16<cahoot>try alsa force-reload as root
09:17<homer>sais the same, none loaded
09:17<cahoot>lspci -v | grep -i audio
09:18<homer>wt8008:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1)
09:18<homer>I was looking for that command :)
09:19<homer>forgot it
09:20<cahoot>try modprobe intel8x0
09:20<cahoot>err snd-intel8x0
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09:21<homer>it's something my system should recognize as a command?
09:21<cahoot>try modprobe snd-intel8x0 (as root)
09:22<homer>FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found.
09:22<homer>FATAL: Error running install command for snd_intel8x0
09:22<cahoot>homer: using debian? what kind of kernel?
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09:22<homer>it's the debian etch
09:22<cahoot>uname -r
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09:23<cahoot>homer: then that module has been in place, you or someone else ate it?
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09:24<overflow>Hi, I don't know why snd-hda-intel alsa module is not loaded at init
09:24<cahoot>err - you made you own kernel?
09:24<cahoot>err - you made you own kernel - homer
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09:25<homer>no i didn'gt
09:25<homer>it's the someone i installed debian with
09:25<cahoot>homer: who did? not a debiankernel is it?
09:25<Gekz>is synaptic any good/
09:25<Gekz>I'm finding aptitude to be quite laggy
09:26<homer>cahoot, i am not a very experianced user of debian
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09:26<homer>and i am not sure i fully understand the question
09:26<homer>this is a net-inst installation no one tempared with
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09:27<cahoot>homer: well the kernelname looks like it's home made
09:28<homer>i am new to simple bash usage, I am not i a position i have any ability to rewrite and compile my own kernel :)
09:28<homer>so what do i do???
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09:28<homer>it worked fine for a long time, and suddely on the fly it stopped, i came home and nadda
09:29<azeem>homer: try with a stock kernel then
09:29<homer>azeem, what is a stock kernel?
09:30<azeem>the Debian one
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09:30<homer>what do you mean i should do?
09:30<azeem>install the Debian kernel
09:30<azeem>and see whether that works better
09:30<homer>i don't know how to do that
09:31<azeem>or ask the person whoever installed the other kernel for you
09:31<azeem>homer: what CPU do you have
09:31<homer>can you give a short guide
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09:31<homer>no dude, i installed a net-inst installation from a disk, no one installed a kernel for me
09:31<azeem>from what disk?
09:31<homer>my CPU is amd athlonx64 3200
09:32<homer>downloaded from the debian site
09:32<azeem>eh, no
09:32<azeem>homer: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
09:33<cahoot>look like a product from
09:33<homer>| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
09:33<homer>|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
09:33<homer>||/ Name Version Description
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09:33<homer>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
09:33<azeem>homer: you forgot the "tail -1"
09:33<azeem>homer: are you ircing from that machine?
09:33<homer>something threw me out
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09:33<azeem>yeah, you pasted into the chane
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09:33<azeem>yeah, you pasted into the chane
09:34<azeem>15:30 < azeem> homer: are you ircing from that machine?
09:34<cahoot>looks like the kernel is a product from
09:34<azeem>homer: is this your own machine, or some virtual server or so?
09:35<homer>oh my god, i played with an installation of virtual server from openVZ when i wanted to install something similar to virtualBox
09:35<azeem>there you go
09:35<homer>but never finished the process
09:35<homer>how do i fix that then
09:35<azeem>homer: 15:28 < azeem> install the Debian kernel
09:35<homer>it shouldn't have changed my kernel
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09:36<azeem>homer: if you reboot, does grub present you with a menu?
09:36<azeem>homer: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l | grep linux-image"
09:36<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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09:37<homer>so how do i paste it without pasting???
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09:38<homer>in a site and?
09:38<cahoot>read above
09:38<azeem>homer: did you read what dpkg said?
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09:39<homer>it has some openVZ version there
09:39<azeem>did you paste on one of the sites already?
09:39<homer>and also a xen version that i messed around with
09:39<azeem>and you're telling us you don't know how to install packages?
09:40<azeem>homer: 15:36 < azeem> did you paste on one of the sites already?
09:40<homer>not yet finding one that has #debian in it
09:40<azeem>homer: please be a bit more cooperative, we're trying to help you
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09:40<azeem>homer: just paste
09:40<azeem>it doesn't matter
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09:40<homer>I know it just takes me a little time
09:40<azeem>homer: we wouldn't put those sites on there if they were unsuitable
09:40<azeem>homer: what's the resulting URL?
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09:41<azeem>homer: ?
09:41<homer>i think
09:41<azeem>congrats, you mastered pastebin
09:41<azeem>oh shit
09:42<azeem>you didn't
09:42<azeem>you're supposed to paste the output of the command above
09:42<azeem>not ""
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09:42<homer>what do you mean?
09:42<azeem>I suggest you just reinstall
09:43<azeem>I don't have time to introduce you to the concept of pastebinning
09:43<homer>oh sorry
09:43<homer>give me a sec
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09:45<homer>azeem, it's OK now?
09:45<cahoot>homer: you could also paste /boot/grub/menu.lst
09:45<homer>yep, sec
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09:46<Guest2569>I have a problem
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09:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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09:48<azeem>homer: ok
09:48<azeem>just reboot and select "Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-6-486"
09:48<azeem>and not the Xen or OpenVZ one
09:48<homer>how do i remove them?
09:48<azeem>apt-get remove <package name>
09:48<homer>and make my right kernel the default one?
09:48<homer>oh great
09:49<homer>thanks man you ware very halpfull
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09:50<homer>I already uninstalled these xen and openVZ
09:50<homer>how can i remove their kernels?
09:50<azeem>uninstalled what?
09:50<azeem>you mean remove the kernel from grub's menu.lst?
09:50<homer>apt-get remove xen and openVZ'
09:50<azeem>like that?
09:51<azeem>or the actual package names?
09:51<homer>the actual package names, i removed them
09:51<cahoot>apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 linux-image-2.6.18-ovz-028stab053.5
09:51<homer>yet it still boots from the kerner
09:51<azeem>then check /boot/grub/menu.lst
09:51<azeem>they shouldbe removed from there as well then
09:51<homer>but you saw my menu.lst
09:52<azeem>didn't you paste that before you removed the packages?
09:52<azeem>maybe I should clarify:
09:52<azeem>they should've been removed from there as well when you removed the packages
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09:52<homer>in that case they didn't
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09:53<azeem>homer: run update-grub then, maybe
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09:54<homer>ok, i will try that
09:54<homer>I am removing the existing leftovers from xen also
09:54<homer>give me a few secs
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09:55<homer>xen was removed, OVZ still there
09:56<homer>should i do what cahoot said?
09:56<azeem>what did he say?
09:56<homer>apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 linux-image-2.6.18-ovz-028stab053.5
09:56<azeem>you said you did that already?
09:56<azeem>if not, then, of course, do so
09:56<homer>no, i said i removed the application itself
09:57<homer>apt-get remove openvz
09:57<azeem>oh well
09:57<homer>before, not now
09:57<azeem>I told you to remove those kernel images, not the applications
09:57<homer>oh, sorry, i will do that how
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09:58<homer>apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.18-ovz-028stab053.5
09:58<homer>i will do that
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09:58<homer>since already removed the xen application and it took the kernel with it
09:59<homer>now it's ok thanks alot
09:59<homer>azeem, thanks
09:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:59<homer>cahoot, thand a lot
10:00<cahoot>np - let's hope for a good reboot
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10:01<homer>yep i really hope if you see me in a minute or so it means everything is fine
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10:02<cahoot>hellues: didn't iwl9465 load?
10:02<hellues> seems my system recognize my wireless card but i cannnot use my wireless card what can reason be
10:02<hellues>can look address
10:02<hellues>i did dmesg seems everything is fine
10:02<cahoot>Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch
10:03<cahoot>see that?
10:03<hellues>what does that mean
10:03<hellues>is this problem i am begginner use
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10:04<hellues>actually that must be a problem what must i do
10:04<cahoot>I guess you have a switch on the computer to toggle - possibly via fn-F2
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10:05<hellues>yes you are right :D
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10:05<hellues>wireless closed
10:05<homer>azeem, cahoot, every thing is working fine
10:05<homer>even sound is back :)
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10:18<fatal>does anyone know if there's a way to get Iceweasel 3 (beta) to stop jumping to current workspace when I open an URL?
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10:29<hellues>Option "TransparentIndex" "integer" this options works nvidia-glx ?
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10:36<Hungmanmoojoo>hiya.. how do i change where my home is located?
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10:37<Hungmanmoojoo>i want to resize it but i cant do that if it is use..
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10:37<Hungmanmoojoo>so i want to put my home dir in the same partition as root
10:37<Simfonyous>I deleted /var/log/mail.log , how can I properly recreate it?
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10:40<Hungmanmoojoo>hmmm. maybe i should try to go to single user mode and use parted
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10:42<hever>Hi how can I bring the nm-applet into a xfce4 panel ? Its not listed under xfapplet..
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10:43<azeem>hever: it's a systray thing, not an applet
10:43<azeem>hever: so you need a notification area or something
10:44<hever>whoow kewl
10:44<hever>thanks ;)
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11:03<AsterX>gethostbyaddr(ipwashere) failed: 1 <- what does this mean in
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11:12<_abc_>is anyone here who experiences crashes with ndiswrapper+2.6.24, 2.6.25 plus suspend/wakeup trouble ? no politics please.
11:13<_abc_>on debian of course
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11:13<cahoot>you really need ndis?
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11:14<_abc_>cahoot, the only other option is internet cafe or a morse key
11:14<_abc_>but let's focus on suspend&resume
11:14<_abc_>btw the same laptop works relatively well with
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11:14<_abc_>but no suspend and fuse does not see ntfs
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11:15<_abc_>hw is asus laptop, core duo cpu, atheros-broadcom wlan
11:15<WolfClaw>thats two options not one so it cant be teh only option :D
11:15<amphi>_abc_: you use uswsusp or swsusp?
11:16<_abc_>WolfClaw, how fast can you morse key a 200kB mail file? :)
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11:16<_abc_>amphi, i am not sure. i use kde to manage power settings. where would i look for that?
11:18<WolfClaw>just getting some humor into the room :D
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11:18<amphi>_abc_: you talk about suspend to ram or suspend to disk?
11:18<personman>i don't get crashes, but sometimes my wifi comes up and sometimes not. I just sort of assumed it was the result of using some hack instead of a native driver
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11:18<personman>was the same with 2 laptops
11:18<personman>largely different hardware
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11:19<personman>maybe if i knew more about setting the load order in init scripts, i could load the ndiswrapper module earlier and avoid that, but i don't know know
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11:20<hever>Hi what is a good tool to configure the network interfaces, with a gui ? (nm-applet could only connect, not configure devices. On ubuntu it can also configure devices...)
11:21<personman>fortunately, native drivers are coming along...older hp laptop can use the new wifi stack and drivers, there is some preliminary testing on the relatively new pcie atheros chip on the newer laptop
11:22<personman>if you dhcp
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11:22<hever>the-dude, I'm going to use it but there is no such executable... I installed all network-manager packages...
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11:23<personman>may have to be root to run it?
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11:29<hever>personman, I'm root if you meant me...
11:30<personman>try /etc/init.d/networkmanager start
11:31<personman>hmph can't really be sure, i don't network manager, have everything set statically
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11:33<hever>The network-manager works. But if I do a rightclick under ubuntu on the nm-applet I can configure the network devices... Under debian not. So how can I configure the network-manager network interfaces under debian ?
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11:34<_abc_>amphi, all: a more detailed description: suspend to ram, standby and hibernation all do not work, but: 2.6.17: no joy, 2.6.24: standby to disk works the first time, but after using ndis once, it freezes on the next wakeup, with flashing caps lock led. it is also unstable (crash after X minutes). 2.6.25 will not do anything on suspend/standby/hibernation
11:34<personman>try running network-admin
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11:35<_abc_>also 2.6.24 and 25 feel MUCH slower than
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11:38<hever>personman, my problem is: bash: network-admin: command not found
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11:38<personman>and thats as root? see if the executables are ihn /sbin or /usr/sbin
11:38<personman>sounds like something is broken or something
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11:39<personman>ill keep digging around
11:39<hever>personman, its not there ;)
11:39<_abc_>use locate
11:39<_abc_>anyway where does one take rants about performance issues?
11:40<amphi>_abc_: it doesn't suspend to disk if you do "echo disk > /sys/power/state"?
11:40<_abc_>making a 2x2GHz laptop feel like my old 486 is m$-ish :)
11:40<_abc_>amphi, suspend works, it never comes out of it or starts coming and freezes
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11:42<personman>looks like gnome-system-tools is the package it's supposed to be in
11:42<amphi>_abc_: did you try removing ndiswrapper and doing "echo disk > /sys/power/state" ?
11:42<personman>try apt-getting it
11:43*pleb2 is back
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11:45<hever>personman, there is no network-admin only network-manager....
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11:46<_abc_>amphi, i did it without any ndis
11:46<personman>according to the packages, it should be in gnome-system-tools, which should put it in /usr/bin
11:47<hever>personman, whow really ? that means I must install a half gnome desktop to run it....
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11:49<hever>yes I just install gedit and gnome-terminal and some libs and I've also a gnome system ;)
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11:50<ed__127983264>hi guys. I am installing Debian 4.0 R3 from DVD and it is very stuck at o% on "Setting up the clock" this happens both with network card plugged in and not plugged in...
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11:51<amphi>_abc_: the kernel knows which partition to resume from?
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11:51<ed__127983264>ay ideas?
11:52<_abc_>amphi, yes, both cli and compiled in
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11:52<personman>i would check in to kernel command line parameters that effect the clock
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11:52<amphi>_abc_: did you try uswsusp (s2disk) ?
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11:52<ed__127983264>"affect" you mean? What should I look at? Will it be in the F1 menu at startup?
11:52<personman>/usr/src/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt, something like that, ed
11:53<personman>err /usr/src/linux*
11:54<personman>I really don't know much about that, just thought it might be something to check, hopefully someone more knowledgeable about that will come along
11:55<personman>you could try googling around and see if anyone else had the same problem, and how they fixed it
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11:56<_abc_>amphi that command is not installed here
11:56<_abc_>where do i find it?
11:56<amphi>uswsusp package, IIRC
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11:57<_abc_>amphi, what version do you have? i have 0.3?
11:58<Piet>tya_ce_cute^18^: are you human?
11:58<ranix>Piet: give him a turing test
11:58<Piet>just did
11:59<amphi>_abc_: I don't use uswsusp
11:59<ranix>can he tell the difference between an A with a cat on it and an upside down red squiggly grave accent
11:59<ranix>or describe love in 200 words
11:59<ed__127983264>I hae tried googling but there are few results...
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12:00<ed__127983264>i have tried passing clocksource=tsc clokc=tsc, let's see what happens
12:00<Piet>ranix: spam bots love describing love with 200+ words
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12:01<Piet>xchat/ubuntu isn't neccessarily the type of version string i'd expect from a bot, though, so /me back to sleep
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12:02<_abc_>you'll have to write upside down though, he/she is down under
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12:04<ed__127983264>stopped on the clock again grrr
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12:07<_abc_>wrong slash direction. dos user? P;
12:09<hever>Where can I rename the wlan0_rename to wlan0 ?
12:10<weasel>ip link set <device> name <foo>?
12:11<cahoot>hever: try /msg/dpkg z25
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12:11<hever>thank you weasel
12:11<cahoot>hever: err /msg dpkg z25
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12:13<ed__127983264>any ideas for me?
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12:17<personman>ed: here are some things mentioned to consider, you may have seen this page already:
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12:20<ed__127983264>thanks for the link I'll see what I can do
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12:27<hever>I installed bcm43-fwcutter and I think it has done its job and extrated the firmware but how can I enable now my wlan card?
12:27<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to config user auth with LDAP. I've config pam, ldap and nss. One question. When I add a user with adduser shouldn't the user go to LDAP?
12:29<zarchne>bcochofel: unlikely.
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12:30<zarchne>bcochofel: adduser probably only manipulates /etc/passwd and friends, I don't think PAM has an "add" mechanism.
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12:31<bcochofel>zarchne: ok. but if I add an ldap user I should auth with it, right? I mean, it first try local accounts then go to LDAP?
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12:32<zarchne>bcochofel: I *think* so.
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12:33<bcochofel>zarchne: thx
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12:37<ariel>i have a problem with bash
12:38<zarchne>ariel: so do I.
12:38<ariel>echo "\$no_var"
12:38<ariel>return $no_var in screen
12:38<zarchne>yeah... ?
12:38<ariel>ssh user@host echo "\$no_var"
12:39<ariel>i have keys
12:39<ariel>not return
12:39<ariel>keys for ssh login
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12:40<zarchne>ariel: keep talking, I still don't know what your problem is.
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12:41<ariel>sorry zakame no speak english
12:41<ariel>the problem is
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12:41<ariel>echo "\$hello" return $hello in console (nice)
12:42<ariel>ssh user@host echo "\$hello"
12:42<ariel>no return $hello
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12:42<ariel>$hello is string not var
12:42<zarchne>ariel: okay, I understand now.
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12:43<ariel>this is the problem :(
12:44<zarchne>ariel: Let's see...
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12:45<ariel>zakame, ok
12:45<zarchne>ariel: it's zarchne.
12:46<ariel>jajaj.. sorry
12:46<zarchne>ariel: ssh jrluser@localhost 'echo \$hello'
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12:47<zarchne>or echo '\$hello'
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12:48<ariel>zarchne, thanks
12:48<ariel>zakame, ' not " :D
12:48<ariel>zarchne, thanks
12:48<zarchne>ariel: you're welcome.
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12:49<zarchne>ariel: oh, or ssh jrluser1@localhost echo \\\$hello
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12:50<v4mpire>hey guys i have a problem of not being able to use a normal session to login and it tells me to use a failsafe login or whatever it was
12:50<v4mpire>which im doing bt dunno what to do from here
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12:50<v4mpire>i have a current problem with apt too
12:50<v4mpire>Err etch/updates/main iceweasel
12:50<v4mpire> 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
12:50<ariel>zarchne, ;)
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12:50<v4mpire>so i cant fix those issue's to be able to install anything else
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12:52<zarchne>v4mpire: you're trying to log into an X session as root?
12:52<v4mpire>as my normal user accound
12:53*nepbabu waves at everyone!!!!
12:53<v4mpire>i su'd to root for apt-get
12:53*nepbabu goes back to his stuff
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13:01<hever>What does "evdev: no more free evdev devices" mean ?
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13:01<hever>And how could I remove some wrong devices if there are some ?
13:03<path>such as?
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13:03<hever>wrong wlan setups...
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13:04<path>wlanconfig athx destroy would be an answer
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13:05<hever>wlanconfig ? is this a tool ?
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13:17<kurumin>oi td bem??
13:17<kurumin>todo bien??
13:17<ariel>si :)
13:17<kurumin>que bueno
13:17<kurumin>hablas in portugues?
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13:18<ariel>no, en español
13:18<kurumin>no tiene problema
13:18<kurumin>yo soy del brasil
13:18<kurumin>oh si
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13:19<ariel>kurumin, ubicas chile?
13:20<kurumin>quantos años tu tiene?
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13:22<kurumin>yo tengo 12
13:22<kurumin>es verdad
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13:23<kurumin>eres un hombre,sí?
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13:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:24<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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13:25<kurumin>has saído??
13:25<path>ariel, I guess you're from the south of Chile arent you?
13:25<kurumin>you soy del sul del brasil
13:26<ariel>path, yes south of chile
13:27<ariel>i am from temuco , chile
13:27<kurumin>tente hablar en portugues
13:27<path>ariel, nice place :)
13:27<kurumin>hable in espanõl então
13:28<kurumin>ola estás aí??
13:29<kurumin>ia voy
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13:30<ariel>kurumin quit :)
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13:31<tux>i've a quickcam express by logitech, and i would like to use it on skype2.
13:31<tux>i can't understand how to do it.
13:31<tux>can someone help me?
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13:55<severinorumin>eta porra
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14:22<bcochofel>can someone tell me the method to encrypt the pass used on migrationtools?
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14:28<kop>Ok, so I built a kernel with make-kpkg, made and initrd for it with mkinitrd, did update-grub, and now when booting I get the message "mkdir: cannot create directory `/devfs/vg00': Read-only file system", then "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs'", and then "Volume group "vg00" not found" and things go downhill from there. I swear I've seen this before but my brain is blank. What should I be doing to make this work?
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14:34<kop>ls /
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14:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, audacity is a multi-track audio editor. It is designed for easy recording, playing and editing of digital audio. Editing is very fast and provides unlimited undo/redo. To be found at
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14:34<jack_>anyone know how to record onscreen sound?
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14:38<kop>Duh. I should be using initramfs-tools, not mkinitrd.
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14:40<personman>try update-initramfs -k [version] -c
14:40<personman>or -u instead of -c to update
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14:51<cahoot>jackarecord should be able
14:51<cahoot>jack arecord should be able
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14:55<Stratman4300>any good gnome programs out there for creating ISOs???
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14:57<weasel>.oO( xterm? )
14:58<Stratman4300>what are the proper commands???
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15:02<kop>personman : Thanks.
15:02<weasel>my cheat sheet says
15:02<weasel>mkisofs -J -r -V 'Foo Bar Baz Qux Quux' -o foobar.iso /some/dir
15:02<personman>welcome :D
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15:05<Stratman4300>weasel: Thanks!!
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15:15<ahboy>hey guys i need some help with the installer im using the mini installer so its grabbing the packages off of the internet and installing them. I choose standard installation not desktop laptop or any thing other just standard, when i boot up the computer it brings me to a terminal log on not gnome, when i try to install fluxbox and run it, the error given is unable to connect to Xserver any ideas?
15:16<Stratman4300>ahboy: what command are you using to start x???
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15:16<fxinyBFPS63>install xorg
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15:16<Stratman4300>ahboy: you'll also want to install a display manager xdm, or gdm
15:17<ahboy>i dont know how to start X i did X and it brings me to a gui but with just the mouse and a gray mesh background
15:17<ahboy>: )
15:17<personman>command to start x should be startx :b
15:17<Stratman4300>ahboy: as root run apt-get install xorg fluxbox xdm
15:17<ahboy>aww okay
15:17<Stratman4300>ahboy: that will make sure you have all the necessary packages installed
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15:18<ahboy>stratman4300 your the best i wish i new that last night before i did another install ha
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15:19<ahboy>oh while im on a roll i might as well ask one more thing, During the install it asks me what kind of kernel i would like to use which one would be best?
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15:19<ahboy>never mind its doing 2.6.24
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15:21<Stratman4300>ahboy: yeah depending on the iso you downloaded it's usually pretty good about giving you the one you need
15:22<Stratman4300>anyone running lenny having any issues with evolution since the updates eariler today???
15:24<ahboy>right on, Well i will stay on for awhile and look around on the net for some more info if i need it, if i cant find it i will be asking as little as possible here. My install is a bit diffrent and i cant find anyone in #debian-eee i go to there site but the support is limited. I hope i can get debian working would be alot better then per say eeebuntu. I use to use debian before and i loved it, Thanks Stratman4300 and this channel for be
15:24<ahboy>ing here :)
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15:28<craigevil>ahboy: its #debian-eeepc , im using kde on my eeepc and it runs just fine
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15:28<ahboy>oh yea :) craigevil nice to see someone else is using asus eee my only problem is im using the 2g so im limited to what i can put on the sd
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15:29<craigevil>ah i understand, my install is 1.4gb, but i have the 4gb sd
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15:30<ahboy>:) craigevil in the installer should i use just the standard and how come the X session doesnt start automatically on boot?
15:31<ahboy>Im at the part where i decide on the software selection theres Standard system already checked theres a Laptop above it too
15:31<craigevil>you have to install x and gdm/kdm/xdm, i have mine set to autologin, takes roughly 25seconds from the time i turn it on til im on my kde desktop
15:31<ahboy>aww okay
15:31<ahboy>like Stratman4300 said :)
15:32<Stratman4300>ahboy: yup yup
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15:33<ahboy>im installing the bare minimum standard system--- hence could i have just not selected any kind of software or would this cause problems for me later down the road
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15:34<cwood>ahboy: many people have different standards of minimal. For instance, maybe minimal is without the display manager that starts X on boot.
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15:34<craigevil>base/standard is fine then install xorg and either gmd/kdm/xdm and whatever window manager you choose to use
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15:35<craigevil>ahboy: dont choose the desktop or laptop both will install things you wont need
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15:36<ahboy>sounds good alright im done typing i took up alot of room as is thanks again Stratman4300, cwood and craigevil, Oh yea i just did the Standard system i was going to use the reserfs extention type but when with ext3
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15:36<cwood>ahboy: you can always prune the bits you don't want after the installation.
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15:37<hellues>hey i have a problem with iceweasel
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15:38<hellues>i am writing a java program which is worked by sh files in html
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15:38<ahboy>apt-get remove --purge then the packages i want i believe
15:38<hellues>but iceweasel does not work that
15:38<hellues>how can i handle this
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15:38<cwood>What's an sh file in html?
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15:39<hellues>look i am writing java file and i am writing html
15:40<hellues>when i open html in iceweasel it works sh files which define path pof my java file
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15:41<dpkg>[tr] türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
15:41<cwood>Sorry, don't know Java myself.
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15:42<hellues>just a second
15:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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15:45<hellues>can you look at that when i compile java file and when i do iceweasel X.html it downloads sh files but it must work sh files
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15:47<cwood>I don't think Iceweasel will automatically run a .sh file.
15:47<cwood>At least, not with the default settings.
15:47<cwood>And it shouldn't do that!
15:47<hellues>what can i do for running a .sh file ?
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15:48<hellues>in my school iceweasel run .sh file .D
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15:48<cwood>This is your school admin's setting, then.
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15:49<hellues>i understand how can i do that can you give an info
15:49<cwood>I don't know, sorry.
15:50<cwood>What are you trying to do overall?
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15:50<hellues>i try to run .sh file
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15:51<cwood>No, I mean are you trying to output html, are you trying to get the user to run a java program, or what?
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15:52<hellues>basicly i want to run java file in html by using cgi
15:53<cwood>It sounds like you want a java applet using <object> ??
15:53<joshua6>can anyone talk
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15:54<hellues>i want to run java file in html helping with shell script
15:54<joshua6>anyone from k
15:54<cwood>I don't think you can run a java, shell, anything program from a cgi script without the user's permission.
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15:54<dpkg>somebody said uk was great britain, northern ireland, wales and scotland
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15:55<witte>joshua6: if you have a question, you can just ask
15:55<joshua6>is there life after death
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15:56<witte>joshua6: no
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15:57<joshua6>i thought i was talking to a load of ghosts then
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15:59<witte>joshua6: if you have nothing better to do, go outside and play
16:00<joshua6>i am on the outside looking in
16:01<joshua6>tv time bye everybody
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16:04<ptr>is there a single command to list all groups that the system knows about?
16:05<cwood>cat /etc/group
16:06<weasel>getent group
16:06<weasel>shorter and more correct.
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16:07<cwood>How many people are using something more complicated than files here, out of nosiness?
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16:07<Mudassar>Facing a serious problem
16:07<weasel>cwood: I do.
16:07<Mudassar>solution needed urgently
16:07<weasel>cwood: on more than half the machines I maintain.
16:07<cwood>aha, n/m then.
16:08<rod>hello. What happened to nvidia drivers on lenny? were they removed?
16:08<Mudassar>My internet connection via wifi stops working after some times .... in ubuntu
16:08<Mudassar>plz help
16:08<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:09<Mudassar>where are the champions of ubuntu
16:09<weasel> #ubuntu (
16:09<weasel>it even said so.
16:09<cwood>!nvidia one-liner
16:09<dpkg>it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
16:09<ranix>if you are using a geforce2 or older throw it away
16:10<Mudassar>my internet connection stops working after some time
16:10<Mudassar>plz help
16:10<Mudassar>any body there ?
16:10<ranix>Mudassar: nobody but us chickens
16:10<weasel>Mudassar: you are wrong here. go to the place I told you about.
16:10<Mudassar>where ?
16:11<weasel>#ubuntu (
16:11<Mudassar>but I got my problems solved here sometimes
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16:11<weasel>I'm _not_ going to say it a third time.
16:11<Mudassar>so somebody can solve this issue
16:11<weasel>if you are using ubuntu then you are abusing this channel
16:11<weasel>we don't *want* to help you here.
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16:11<rod>there is no nvidia-glx on lenny
16:12<ptr>weasel: thankee.
16:12<weasel>and for the love of all that's dear, learn to use your irc client properly
16:12<ptr>weasel: that said, it doesn't seem to know about ldap groups
16:12<weasel>ptr: what it knows about depends on where you tell it to look
16:12<weasel>ptr: /etc/nsswitch.conf is the magic knob
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16:13<ptr>weasel: cool.
16:13<chealer>!tell rod about ngd
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16:13<ptr>weasel: group: files ldap
16:13<weasel>and you have nss-ldap installed and configured correctly?
16:14<weasel>libnss-ldap or whatever it's called
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16:15<ranix>rod: nvidia-glx in lenny is very difficult to get. Your best bet is to backport it from sid. Ask the guys about backporting, I have only done it once
16:15<ptr>weasel: it seems so. There are files owned by groups provided by ldap, and ls -l represents that correctly
16:16<weasel>getent groups <groupname>
16:16<weasel>does that show you the group in question?
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16:16<rod>why is that?
16:16<ptr>weasel: yes. weird
16:16<weasel>ptr: something with listing is broken, I don't remember what
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16:16<weasel>it also doesn't really matter
16:17<ptr>cool, thanks.
16:17<weasel>what you can do - what I'm doing - is install nss-updatedb
16:17<ranix>rod: I assume a critical bug or incompatability. Few things would susprise me about the nvidia graphics drivers. The fact that they're the best doesn't mean they are good.
16:17<weasel>and run "nss-updatedb ldap" hourly or so
16:17<weasel>and switch your /etc/nsswitch.conf to "files db"
16:17<ranix>king of garbage isn't a fancy title
16:17<weasel>(for passwd too, if you want too.)
16:17<weasel>that way you get a local copy of all the data,
16:17<cwood>ranix: if getting a new system right now, where would you buy your graphics hardware?
16:17<weasel>and safe the round trip times to the ldap server and stuff
16:18<ranix>cwood: :( I don't know
16:18<rod>and what's this hassle about firefox? iceweasel is ugly
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16:19<ranix>cwood: nvidia is on the expensive side lately, but I don't think I'd want to support ATI's even worse driver support just because they're less expensive
16:19<ranix>cwood: I am using a secondhand 7600 on my windows computer
16:20<cwood>Hm. Been using my GeForce4 since it came out, but only the propietary drivers can do 1680x1050 for my monitor last I checked. Hrmph.
16:20<ranix>intel integrated graphics are getting better
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16:20<ranix>via is still chugging along with integrated s3 chipsets you don't hear much about
16:20<ranix>I don't know where Matrox is these days
16:21<overflow>ranix, I suppose that ATI is getting better linux driver support or at least that was what the say about it
16:21<ranix>overflow: I'll believe that when I see source and non-polling vsync
16:21<overflow>me too
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16:22<curtis>anyone there?
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16:22<curtis>whats up
16:22<ranix>complaining about nvidia drivers
16:23<curtis>my laptop internet does not work.
16:23<ranix>man I wish I had a laptop internet
16:23<overflow>curtis, damn
16:23<overflow>ranix, heh
16:23<curtis>yes. it is nice but the internet does not work.
16:24<curtis>you think that you can help me get a driver for it?
16:24<overflow>curtis, maybe ..
16:24<curtis>it is a 802.11g Wireless LAN
16:24<curtis>thanks overflow.
16:24<overflow>like mine
16:24<curtis>you have the same one?
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16:25<overflow>who's the fabricant?
16:25<curtis>what is that?
16:25<curtis>i just got it and new with computers.
16:25<curtis>overflow you there?
16:26<ahboy>hey Stratman4300 you any where around? I got gdm and xorg installed, and now i finally have a logon gui when i enter my user name and password it goes into the system with a terminal top left corner and i can see the background to the right and bottom it. I dont seem to have a tool bar at the bottom im probably missing something, along the way
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16:26<overflow>curtis, lspci | grep -i net
16:26<curtis>what is that?
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16:26<overflow>curtis, first, are you using debian ?
16:26<curtis>no. ubuntu 8.04.
16:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:27<ahboy>Oh how do i install gnome? well that would help i guess
16:27<ranix>apt-get install gnome
16:27<ahboy>aww thanks ranix
16:27<curtis>overflow are you there?
16:28<overflow>curtis, yes
16:28<weasel>take your ubuntu support somewhere else, thanks.
16:28<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:28<curtis>what is that code for?
16:28<curtis>where do enter that code?
16:28<ranix>Ubuntu is linux for little girls and their dolls, see #ubuntu on curtis
16:29<ahboy>Debian is the you know what, Ubuntu is crap
16:29<ahboy>oh ranix
16:29<ahboy>you beat me too it
16:29<curtis>why don't you use ubuntu?
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16:29<ranix>because I am neither a little girl nor a doll
16:30<overflow>curtis, coz we are smart :)
16:30<weasel>curtis: really. this is offtopic for this channel.
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16:30<ahboy>I have Ubuntu on one of my desktops and i can tell you it doesnt have this kind of power. Debian is what its mentioned to be fully customizable
16:30<ranix>in this conversation, ubuntu lacks horsepower
16:30<ranix>vroom vroom
16:30<ranix>cflags kicking in
16:30<ahboy>perfect for my little 2g asus eee surf
16:30<curtis>will the internet work if i use debian?
16:30<ahboy>all day
16:30<weasel>the internet already works.
16:31<ranix>curtis: the internet isn't going anywhere regardless of your os choice
16:31<curtis>not for my wireless card.
16:31<ahboy>all day ndiswrapper
16:31<overflow>thanks god! :)
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16:31<curtis>can you get me the driver for ndiswrapper?
16:32<ahboy>apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
16:32<curtis>i have the one off gateway but it is .exe and does not work
16:32<ahboy>apt-get install ndiswrapper-common
16:32<ahboy>i believe
16:32<curtis>what is that to install it?
16:32<ahboy>curtis what kind of wireless card do you have?
16:32<overflow>curtis, you need to use the console
16:32<overflow>curtis, the terminal
16:32<curtis>one sec.
16:33<curtis>i am new with computers.
16:33<ahboy>if its not atheros based you will need the winxp drivers for your card simply, ndiswrapper -i yourdriver.inf , then modprobe ndiswrapper wireless support your done
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16:34<ahboy>well atheros and what ever other drivers are supported out of the box
16:34<ranix>omg how did this get here I am not good with computer
16:34<curtis>802.11g Wireless LAN
16:34<curtis>what would i type in with the terminal?
16:35<ahboy>curtis do you have a ethernet connection?
16:35<curtis>right now?
16:35<weasel>no, yesterday
16:35<ahboy>connect that in and type apt-get install ndiswrapper
16:36<curtis>okay one sec... in terminal?
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16:36<ahboy>well hold on
16:36<tj_><-- installed fglrx drivers for X1200 ATI..... looking at xorg.conf and shows 2 video drivers loading.... would someone look at it and tell me my next course of action to clean up the leftover issues?
16:36<ahboy>curtis type su
16:36<overflow>curtis, look for terminal app
16:36<ahboy>in terminal
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16:36<curtis>one sec
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16:36<curtis>i am going up stairs to connect.
16:37<weasel>(go to #ubuntu while you're at it)
16:37<weasel>you are abusing this channel
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16:38*cwood offers the channel candy to come sit in his van.
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16:38<curtis>okay now what
16:38<cwood>You want to: 1) /part #debian 2) /join #ubuntu 3) ask your question there.
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16:39<ahboy>then your password then you will type apt-get install ndiswrapper find your disk that has your wireless drivers on it and place it into your computer navigate and find the folder named drivers in example and copy it all to your desktop. there should be a file with .inf extention. IN the terminal navigate to your desktop directory cd /home/yourusername/Desktop then you will type ndiswrapper -i thefilename.inf, After thats done do a modpr
16:40<ahboy>obe ndiswrapper , Now your almost there type iwconfig look for your wireless extention. wlan0 maybe so type iwlist wlan0 scan look for your essid then type iwconfig wlan0 essid namegoeshere then type iwconfig wlan0 mode managed then type iwconfig wlan0 key restricted keygoeshere then type ifup wlan0 done
16:41<tj_><----thinks everything ahboy (albeit in good efforts) went in one of curtis's ear and out the other.
16:41<ahboy>curtis thats being spoon fed all the way through. I
16:41<ahboy>yea probably did
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16:41<weasel>ahboy: you are just as bad as curtis btw.
16:41<ahboy>not too bad
16:42<tj_>curtis.... you obviously have an internet connection... copy ahboys info to text file and then look up on google how it works... the only way.
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16:43<tj_>hows about somone taking a look at my xorg.conf... why didnt the fglrx driver install remove or disable "vesa"?
16:44<overflow>ahboy, are you sure that curtis have problems with wireless NIC and not with wired NIC?
16:44<ahboy>weasel im just not use to setting up gdm and xorg, Ubuntu got the best of me
16:44<tj_><---thinks xorg.conf is a big ole mess
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16:44<weasel>ahboy: the point is, we don't care about anything ubuntu in here. and I think that's a fine point for EOD for now.
16:44<userdude99>does anyone know a freenx repo for freenx for lenny ?
16:44<ahboy>overflow he wants to set up his wireless
16:45<tj_>agreed with weasel
16:45<ahboy>im not sure about his wired network,
16:45<overflow>oh i saw it
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16:46<ahboy>weasel dont want to get on the wrong side just a bit offended :) thats all. No hard feelings toward you i just realize that i did ask alot
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16:46<userdude99>anyone got an idea ?
16:46<j00bar>dondelelcaro: ping?
16:46<dpkg> A collection of various unofficial package sources.
16:47<userdude99>ok, thanks, lemme check
16:49<tj_>so, lemme just ask this... I have 2 "Device" sections with drivers vesa and fglrx. vesa has my ATI card BusID and fglrx has no BusID at all... can i confidently just move the BusID to fglrx and remove the vesa device section?
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16:55<userdude99> doesn't have any recent packages -_-
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16:58<cwood>userdude99: you could compile and host it yourself. :)
16:59<userdude99>hmm, not the worst idea, but i am lazy *_*
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17:14<curtis>i need help with my laptop wireless internet?
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17:14<curtis>can anyone help?
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17:16<ahboy>hey guys is there a speed diffrence between xdm and gdm? is one lighter then the other? and lets say xdm is faster then gdm can i put gnome on top of xdm?
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17:17<craigevil>not much of a speed difference, xdm may be a bit lighter space wise
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17:19<tj_>curtis, PM me
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17:20<valdyn>ahboy: why would it matter which is lighter?
17:20<valdyn>ahboy: you can put gnome on either
17:21<ahboy>valdyn i have a asus 2g laptop so i have 2 gigs worth of hd room to work with well its really sd
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17:22<valdyn>ahboy: xdm is alot smaller , both arent exactly big
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17:22<valdyn>ahboy: apt-cache show xdm | grep Installed-Size
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17:23<ahboy>oh thats a real handy command valdyn thanks
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17:23<witte>ahboy: you could also use wdm, that has a menu, but is quite light
17:24<davi>Will the apt-get dist-upgrade to KDE 4.1 in lenny be smart with all my kmail configuration?
17:25<tj_><wonders what it means "kernel tainted" doesnt sound good.
17:25<witte>davi: i don't think kde4.1 will be in lenny
17:25<dpkg>tainted is, like, the state of your kernel when non-free modules (e.g. NVdriver) are loaded into it. Kernel hackers will not support tainted kernels.
17:25<valdyn>davi: only if the new kmail supports the old configuration
17:25<witte>davi: and in any case, if you want to upgrade yourself, please do a backup beforehand
17:26<valdyn>davi: ( which it likely does )
17:27<tj_>cwood... answers that.
17:27*cwood is still plumbing the depths of the bot's wisdom.
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17:29<tj_><---- has yet another question... Looking at dmesg... there is alot going on at boot that i would like to "trim the fat" if its not in /etc/modules... where else can i look to prevent things i dont need from loading?
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17:30<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with, or note: already loaded modules will not be automatically added to /etc/modules
17:31<deepfrze>debhelper: I just updated Icedove and now I am unable to send or reply to mail. Has anyone else had trouble?
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17:31<tj_>thanx... looking into that
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17:35<witte>deepfrze: which debian version?
17:36<deepfrze>witte: Lenny.
17:37<deepfrze>witte: I just noticed that none of the menu items will drop down.
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17:37<witte>deepfrze: you restarted icedove already?
17:38<deepfrze>witte: yes, but haven't rebooted
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17:38<deepfrze>witte: address book loads and I am receiving new mail
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17:39<witte>deepfrze: in principle that shouldn't be needed, maybe restart X, but i doubt it as there isn't a major upgrade lately
17:39<witte>deepfrze: so it works?
17:39<deepfrze>witte: can't send email, reply to email or can't get access to the menu items
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17:41<witte>maybe some underlying tool is upgraded as well, try restarting X if that would not cause any problem
17:41<verxion>I am having some trouble with a debian box, was wondering if someone might be able to help me
17:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
17:41<cwood>I don't talk anymore, I just invoke the bot.
17:41<verxion>how ya doing cwood
17:41<verxion>been a long long time
17:42<cwood>Not sure who you are...
17:42<verxion>ok, so basically, this debian box is old
17:42-!-deepfrze [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:42<verxion>it won't install a new perl
17:42<weasel>are you running unstable?
17:42<verxion>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:42<verxion> perl-modules: Depends: perl (>= 5.10.0-1) but 5.8.8-12 is to be installed
17:42<verxion>E: Broken packages
17:42<weasel>yes, you are.
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17:42<weasel>silly you.
17:42<tj_><--- just messed up.... what command to undo a apt-get remove with multiple packages?
17:43<weasel>if you run unstable these things happen.
17:43<weasel>wait for a few days
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17:43<weasel>either you shouldn't run sid or you shouldn't be asking
17:43<cwood>weasel: on the other hand, some people run Sid to learn this stuff.
17:43<verxion>well I think that is fair enough
17:43<verxion>at the time I needed sid for hardware support
17:43<verxion>(at installation time)
17:43<verxion>but that has been a long time ago now
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17:44<verxion>I would bet money that stable would be fine for me now
17:44<verxion>but if possible, I would prefer not to do an entire re-install
17:44<cwood>You could always reinstall to Stable, or change your sources to stable and wait for Debian to catch up, or you could use backports, or stuff.
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17:44<cwood>And why do you need a new Perl?
17:44<witte>verxion: as long as you don't need perl 5.10, you can just stay using 5.8 until the sid problems are solved
17:44<verxion>well, I was trying to install finch
17:44<verxion>so it was a chain reaction from there
17:45<cwood>Things sound a bit fluffed.
17:45<verxion> finch: Depends: libpurple0 (>= 2.4.1-1+b1) but it is not going to be installed
17:45<verxion>E: Broken packages
17:45<verxion>cwood: I agree
17:45<deepfrze>witte: okay, restarted x and it's okay, thanks for the help
17:45<verxion>I was wanting a cl im tool
17:45<verxion>don't absolutely need it
17:45<verxion>but I thought I would give one a try
17:45<witte>deepfrze: great, you're welcome
17:45<verxion>finch looked like it might be good
17:45<cwood>verxion: sounds like you want a stable box for stable stuff, and an unstable box to try the latest/shiniest on.
17:46<witte>verxion: so just wait a few days, such problems are generally solved within a week
17:46<witte>verxion: or try to compile 5.10 yourself
17:46<verxion>witte: well I confess I wasn't knowledgeable enough to identify that the problem was with the unstable packages themselves - I assumed it was something like I just had too old of a distro
17:47<witte>verxion: if you use unstable you always have the newest
17:47<verxion>well, in theory, yes
17:47<verxion>I haven't exactly been doing "apt-get upgrade" like... ever. :)
17:47<witte>verxion: at least if you upgrade every now and then (read often enough)
17:47<verxion>heh, see above. :)
17:48<witte>verxion: ok, first do apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
17:48<witte>verxion: and pray
17:48<verxion>uname -a
17:48<verxion>Linux fw 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Tue Aug 16 14:00:15 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
17:48<verxion>I think the praying would end up in an unusable system
17:48<verxion>but I suppose I could be wrong
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17:48<weasel>that's quite an ancient kernel you're runnin
17:48<verxion>I know
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17:48<verxion>been an awesome system
17:48<witte>verxion: it seems you are running a system that was unstable in sarge time
17:49<verxion>witte: yeah
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17:49<verxion>like I said, it is an old box
17:49<witte>verxion: well no problem with that, i have some of those as well, but I usually keep them up to date :-)
17:49<verxion>witte: heheh
17:49<verxion>well here is the thing
17:50<witte>verxion: first i would change the sources.list to testing
17:50<verxion>I can work my way through a complete reinstall if I have to
17:50<verxion>so if that is what I have to do, I can do that
17:50<witte>and hope that you are completely behind on testing
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17:50<verxion>I would PREFER to upgrade in place
17:50<witte>verxion: you can upgrade, but i would not upgrade to unstable, but to testing
17:50<verxion>deb sid main contrib non-free
17:51<verxion>that is what I have right now
17:51<witte>verxion: change sid to lenny
17:51<verxion>ok, thanks
17:51<verxion>been very behind on this stuff, my apologies
17:51<witte>verxion: i am not sure that will work out fine, but we will see
17:51<verxion>I blame the stability
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17:51<verxion>ie, if it had had massive problems at any point, I probably would have done something about it before now
17:52<verxion>but it has been awesome
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17:52<witte>verxion: well, we will try to get it to a recent system, so that it can run for a few more years :-)
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17:53<witte>verxion: if you never did any upgrade, we even might try to migrate to debian stable
17:53<witte>but if you did some new installs now and then this would end up in a mixed system
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17:53<witte>that is why i advised lenny (which is the current testing)
17:54<cwood>You can always move first to stable, then testing, then unstable in your sources.list, perhaps?
17:54<witte>cwood: he does not want to be in unstable anymore
17:55<cwood>Oh, I see.
17:55<witte>cwood: when he installed he needed at least a 2.6.8 kernel i guess :P, so etch would be fine
17:55<witte>but if he now has some programs installed from sid, and the libraries with it, that could lead to a lot of problems
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17:56<witte>I think migrating to lenny should be no problem, as he would be able to run unstable packages...
17:56<verxion>ok, the update finished
17:56<verxion>so now a "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
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17:57<verxion>now an "apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
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17:57<dondelelcaro>you really want to use aptitude, not apt-get...
17:57<verxion>111 packages for an upgrade, lol
17:57<witte>i believe there are some steps in between (because there are things like udev)
17:57<verxion>I didn't start it - just wanted to see how much it would involve
17:58<witte>dpkg: sarge->etch
17:58<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support for sarge ends on 31 March 2008 (
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17:58<verxion>I am not familiar with udev
17:58<dpkg>udev is at or/and Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution:, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>
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17:58<verxion>ahh, devfs replacement
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18:00<witte>verxion: well, you shouldn't know a lot about it, but have a look at the release notes that state which steps you should take to upgrade from a system more or less such as yours
18:00<verxion>the um, release notes... are epic
18:00<verxion>on the up side, the system in question is 100% cl
18:00<verxion>so that should reduce the potential impacts considerably I would think
18:01<witte>start there
18:01<verxion>ok, thanks
18:02<verxion>upgrade is running
18:02<verxion>well, drat
18:02<verxion>I ran it as apt-get
18:02<verxion>isn't aptitude just the multi-distro version of apt-get?
18:02<verxion>or am I remembering wrong?
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18:02<dpkg>methinks aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>
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18:03<verxion>after the upgrade is done
18:03<verxion>if it doesn't install aptitude on its own
18:03<verxion>I will install it
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18:05<verxion>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.28.4_i386.deb (--unpack):
18:05<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
18:05<verxion> trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/add-shell', which is also in package passwd
18:05<verxion>dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
18:05<verxion>Errors were encountered while processing:
18:05<verxion> /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.28.4_i386.deb
18:05<verxion>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
18:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:06<verxion>ok, will do
18:07<verxion>I think that will show it...
18:07<witte>which was the command that you were running?
18:07<verxion>apt-get upgrade
18:08<verxion>I spaced it when that line said to run aptitude upgrade
18:08<witte>did you do the steps as mentioned in the releasenotes
18:08<witte>ah, ok
18:08<verxion>it said "first run: # aptitude upgrade"
18:08<verxion>too many years of apt-get
18:08<witte>verxion: try it again
18:08<verxion>my fingers typed it without thinking. :(
18:09<verxion>with apt-get?
18:09<witte>verxion: in principle it should be the same
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18:10<witte>verxion: yes, you can use apt-get as well, aptitude is just an improved version of apt-get
18:10<verxion>apt-get gave the same error, aptitude was slightly different, but I think just with extra fluff
18:10<witte>verxion: aptitude install passwd
18:10<verxion>ie, apt-get didn't try to recover
18:11<verxion>same error
18:11<verxion>let me take a look at that program
18:11<verxion>maybe I can mv /usr/sbin/add-shell to another filename
18:11<verxion>and kindof skirt this issue
18:11<witte>verxion: that wont help i guess
18:12<witte>but you will have to toy around with your system a lot before everything will work :-)
18:12<verxion>it didn't work
18:12<verxion>gave the same error
18:12<verxion>which confuses me...
18:12<verxion>(I am easily confused)
18:13<verxion>so I am guessing then that when it says overwrite, it isn't really talking about the filesystem
18:14<verxion>even though it LOOKS like the error is talking about the filesystem
18:14<verxion>otherwise the mv should have gotten past that error
18:15<witte>i don't think the filesystem has anything to do with it
18:15<witte>verxion: dpkg -r --force_all passwd;aptitude install passwd
18:16<witte>!coffee witte
18:16*dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for witte, courtesy of witte
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18:16<verxion>that didn't change it. :(
18:16<verxion>I did find some info about possibly skirting around it
18:16<mark76>Hello Debian people
18:16<verxion>howdy mark76
18:17<mark76>I burnt a live CD of Debian yesterday
18:17<cwood>They have those?
18:17<mark76>Oh yes
18:17<mark76>Takes a bit of finding though
18:18<verxion>cwood: so someone mentioned removing the file from /var/lib/dpkg/info/passwd.list might get around it
18:18<mark76>HAng on
18:18<verxion>but I suspect that is gonna bite me later
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18:18<cwood>verxion: the problem is that your package manager sees one file in two packages, debian-utils and passwd.
18:18<cwood>mark76: wow, we have everything these days.
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18:19<verxion>cwood: ahh. if I removed it from one of the two .list files, then it SHOULD work by having the file get replaced in the one I don't remove it from... right?
18:19<cwood>verxion: you might need some way to fiddle upgrading each one at a time. I wouldn't touch the .list files, myself.
18:19<verxion>ie, by "work" I mean the end result should be what we want, right?
18:19<cwood>verxion: what happens if you try to upgrade each one with apt-get install <name> ?
18:19<mark76>Except, it would seem, support for network connection on a Compaq SR5219 connected to the net via an NTL cabel modem
18:19<verxion>the same error
18:19<cwood>Like, you can't upgrade debian-utils without it clashing with passwd, so can you try apt-get install passwd ??
18:20<verxion>I did try it - got the same error
18:20<cwood>At this stage, I'd probably download the debs, remove the packages manually, and then install the updated debs via dpkg, ignoring deps for now.
18:20<verxion>unless I should be trying some way other than just "apt-get install passwd"
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18:21<cwood>But I haven't done something this funky in a while.
18:21<verxion>well the apt-get upgrade downloaded them all I believe
18:21<cwood>The files may be in /var/cache/apt/archives, then.
18:22<verxion>yeah, looks like they ended up in /var/cache/apt/archives
18:22<verxion>yes indeedy
18:22<verxion>so this makes me moderately nervous
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18:23<verxion>so I would do something like "dpkg --remove passwd; dpkg --install passwd_1%3a4.1.1-1_i386.deb"
18:23<verxion>(I don't often use dpkg)
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18:23<witte>verxion: this is a good moment to think about the last time you made backups
18:23<verxion>heh, well
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18:23<verxion>the nice thing is
18:23<cwood>verxion: Fear is healthy. Also, dpkg is Debian's RPM.
18:23<verxion>the system drive itself has no data I need
18:24<verxion>so I could literally plunk a new system drive in and all the other drives would be fine - they have my data
18:24<verxion>I do have some moderate amounts of configuration though
18:24<verxion>only real items of note are samba and firehol
18:24<witte>verxion: I am quite sure you can update your system, but i am not sure that installing from scratch wont be faster :-)
18:24<verxion>witte: hehehe
18:24<cwood>Upgrading will be more educational.
18:25<verxion>yeah, upgrading is not only more educational, but it allows for more uptime, provided I don't have tooooo many problems
18:25<tj__>what is the command to configure hddtemp? i want it to start at boot to work with gkrellm... if i add it to /etc/modules do i need to add it as "hddtemp" or hddtemp -d /dev/sda"?
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18:26<witte>verxion: you probably should restart after you installed your new system as your entire system will be running different software (kernel, libs, virtually everything)
18:26<verxion>witte: my sincere hope is to do all the upgrading, then do one reboot
18:27<witte>verxion: one reboot should do the trick
18:27<verxion>if that isn't possible, then so be it, but that is what I was expecting/planning for
18:27<witte>verxion: ok, what is the current status
18:27<verxion>well, I am thinking I will try debianutils
18:27<verxion>I have 2.8.4 installed
18:27<verxion>and I have 2.28.4 downloaded via apt-get
18:28<verxion>so I would dpg --remove debianutils
18:28<cwood>You may need to upgrade passwd first, to get to a version without the problem file.
18:28<verxion>hrm, ok
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18:28<verxion>I was just a bit more worried about passwd
18:28<cwood>Yeah, that way lies DOOM.
18:28<verxion>ie, if something gets messed up, I wouldn't be able to login
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18:28<cwood>verxion: Now is a good time to get a remote login going, just in case. ;)
18:28<verxion>I have four up
18:28<verxion>just in case
18:29<cwood>There you go.
18:29<cwood>(This feels like telling somebody, "What can go wrong? It's just a chainsaw.")
18:29<verxion>I've done this KIND of thing before in terms of potentially having a problem that would prevent new logins from being established
18:30<verxion>so: "dpkg --remove passwd" ?
18:30<verxion>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38768 2008-01-21 07:47 base-passwd_3.5.17_i386.deb
18:30<verxion>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 851106 2008-04-02 17:17 passwd_1%3a4.1.1-1_i386.deb
18:30<verxion>those are in my archives
18:30<witte>verxion: just try
18:30<cwood>Perhaps try dpkg -i with your new passwd file first.
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18:31<verxion>ok, sec, making a paste link
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18:32<mark76>Hello again
18:32<witte>verxion: dpkg -i <all things listed in your error and passwd>
18:32<mark76>So... about not being able to connect to the world wide web
18:33<witte>mark76: what is your problem exactly?
18:34<mark76>When I tried Debian Live yesterday I couldn't get a connection to the net
18:34<mark76>Which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence in installing it
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18:35<witte>mark76: wired or wireless?
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18:35<verxion>witte: that actually appeared to work
18:35<witte>verxion: hoeray
18:35<verxion>I did "dpkg -i passwd_1%3a4.1.1-1_i386.deb libselinux1_2.0.59-1_i386.deb debianutils_2.28.4_i386.deb libpam0g_0.99.7.1-6_i386.deb"
18:35<cwood>verxion: Now you've passed the Blades of Death, and you are ready for the Knives of Agony.
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18:35<verxion>cwood: EXCELLENT! :)
18:35<witte>verxion: aptitude upgrade
18:36<witte>cwood: :-)
18:36<cwood>witte: we will detach from him the stone of shame, and attach the stone of triumph!
18:37<verxion>ok, two errors
18:37<verxion>it tried to stop and start the kernel log daemon
18:37<verxion>and failed on both counts
18:37<verxion>this after installing klogd 1.5-2
18:38<verxion>it said it had a problem with fdutils as well but I didn't see that when it scrolled by
18:38<verxion>hrm, it needs mktemp, and can't find it
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18:39<cwood>apt-get install mktemp
18:39<verxion>I did that
18:39<verxion>just seemed odd it didn't have a dependency
18:39<witte>verxion: apt-get update
18:39<verxion>ok, so now it is keeping 54 packages from upgrading
18:40<witte>verxion: that means we are already halfway in step one
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18:40<witte>verxion: try to install the troublemakers independently with dpkg -i
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18:41<verxion>one question first, if I may
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18:41<verxion>the release notes says that the aptitude upgrade will install packages which can be upgraded without requiring any other packages to be removed or installed
18:41<verxion>so I am wondering if perhaps these 54 are ones that "require other packages to be removed or installed"
18:41<verxion>(I don't know how to tell)
18:42<cwood>For my part, I prefer using "upgrade" before "dist-upgrade", which leaves any troublemakers behind.
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18:42<mark76>Can anyone help me with my not being able to connect to the internet on debian problem? I'm using an ethernet port to a cable modem
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18:43<verxion>mark76: is it a new system?
18:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:43<cwood>verxion: if you've already "upgrade", then likely what's left does need to be dist-upgraded... but you can go through them individually and aptitude install <package> to see where they might hiccough.
18:43<mark76>It's a Compaq SR5219 running *cough*ubuntu*cough*
18:43<verxion>cwood: ok
18:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:44<witte>verxion: no, with packages "removed or installed", this means that some packages that you now have installed will be removed, or others, which you don't have need to be installed in order for them to upgrade
18:44<witte>verxion: the ones that are withheld currently can be installed if those little problems are solved
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18:44<mark76>Se... If I went to the Ubuntu forums and asked them how do I get Debian to recognise my cable modem, what do you think they'd say?
18:44<mark76>Se = see
18:44<verxion>I will go through them one at a time
18:45<witte>verxion: but remember, the releasenotes are from going form sarge to etch, and you have neither
18:45<cwood>verxion: you can always just aptitude dist-upgrade if you're feeling hairy-chested :D
18:45<verxion>cwood: hehehe
18:45<witte>mark76: cable modem, that means you use wired internet?
18:45<verxion>to be perfectly honest, this has gone a great deal smoother than I expected
18:45<verxion>especially given how old this whole thing is
18:45<witte>mark76: ok, that should work almost always, unless you have a very new device
18:46<verxion>ok, I am now getting a warning that some packages cannot be authenticated
18:46<witte>verxion: ignore those for now
18:46<witte>verxion: this means apt is updated to apt-secure
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18:47<witte>mark76: you did try the live cd, are you now running that live cd?
18:47<Aleric>Does anyone know how to convert seconds UTC since jan 1 0:0:0 1970 (ie 1209681792) to a real date string on the command line?
18:47<mark76>Like I said, I couldn't get a net connection with it
18:47<witte>mark76: of course not, you could not connect to the internet (i am an idiot
18:48<verxion>witte: at this point, the remaining few packages being held back all seem to depend on packages which can not be authenticated
18:48<witte>mark76: what kind of network card do you have
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18:48<mark76>How would I find that out, witte?
18:48<cwood>verxion: eventually you could install debian-archive-keyring
18:49<witte>mark76: which os are you running now?
18:49<mark76>Ubuntu 8.04
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18:50<witte>mark76: and you have a brand new laptop, or just a medium old pc?
18:50<mark76>It's just a normal desktop PC
18:50<verxion>cwood: it is installed already actually
18:50<cwood>aha, n/m
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18:50<verxion>I am unclear what to do about the unauthenticated packages
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18:51<witte>mark76: the netinstall should work, but to be sure, you can take the following one
18:51<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
18:51<verxion>should I install them even though they can't be authenticated?
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18:51<witte>verxion: yes, ignore authentication
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18:51<witte>!apt secure
18:51<dpkg>hmm... apt secure is See ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: also see, or ask me about <no public key>
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18:52<mark76>!kmuto and !apt secure?
18:52<witte>mark76: kmuto was for you, apt secure was for verxion
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18:53<mark76>So if I ran the live cd now and I opened a terminal and typed !kmuto into it I'd get a connection?
18:53<witte>mark76: ah no
18:53<witte>the command !kmuto that i gave invoked dpkg to tell something about that
18:53<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
18:54<verxion>lftp is having issues
18:54<witte>but i guess that is not what you whant
18:54<witte>because that is an installer, and you want the live cd to work
18:54<mark76>I don't think it is
18:54<witte>mark76: open a terminal and paste the contents to a pastebin
18:54<verxion>looks like the uninstall script for lftp is borked
18:54<witte>!tell mark76 about pastebin
18:55<mark76>What contents?
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18:55<witte>mark76: ah, right, type lspci
18:55<witte>mark76: and add lsmod
18:56<witte>mark76: in the terminal that is of course. Both commands will give some output which should enlighten us about your hardware
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18:57<mark76>What's pastebin?
18:58<witte>!tell mark76 about pastebin
18:58<mark76>That's not working
18:58<witte>mark76: dpkg just told you in a private message
18:58<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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18:58<cwood>!tell cwood about pastebin
18:58<witte>!tell cwood about selftell
18:59<cwood>Temptation overwhelmed me.
18:59<verxion>!tell cwood and witte that they both rock
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18:59<cwood>verxion: how's it going? And, you can message the bot about all sorts of nifty stuff.
18:59<verxion>I am stuck on lftp
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19:00<cwood>verxion: can you remove lftp, and then install it again? Rather than replace?
19:01<verxion>I tried actually
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19:01<verxion>dpkg wouldn't remove it
19:01<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, verxion
19:01<verxion>using dpkg -r lftp
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19:02<mark76>I love ROX :)
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19:03<curtis>i need help with my laptop wireless
19:03<curtis>anyone willing to help?
19:03<mark76>Have you managed to make heads or tails of my system yet, witte?
19:03<cwood>verxion: perhaps you can install the new one with a --force ?
19:03<mark76>I'm not. I don't know anything about laptops or wireless
19:04<curtis>who does?
19:04<witte>mark76: i am working on it
19:04<witte>curtis: what is your system, which is your wireless, what are your problems
19:04<witte>curtis: nobody can solve generic problems...
19:04<curtis>i have ubuntu but the people that use it are stupid
19:04<curtis>i have a gateway ml6714
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19:05<curtis>and the wireless does not work
19:05<witte>curtis: well, sorry to tell you , but this is #debian, we don't use ubuntu
19:05<cwood>You have ubuntu and the people who use it are stupid? Sounds like time to install something better!
19:05<curtis>what is the difference with ubuntu and debian?
19:06<mark76>Debian was first?
19:06<curtis>what is better for gaming
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19:06<curtis>can i install an iso image in cedega?
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19:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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19:07<cwood>!based on debian
19:07<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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19:07<verxion>I think the reason it won't let me remove lftp is because there are no alternatives for ftp
19:07<curtis>can i
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19:07<verxion>maybe if I installed some kind of a substitute for ftp it would let me remove lftp?
19:08<cwood>verxion: perhaps try installing netkit-ftp ?
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19:08<cwood>pardon, I lie. Just try apt-get install ftp
19:08<verxion>ok, that I tried
19:08<verxion>it tried to uninstall lftp during the ftp installation
19:08<verxion>which failed, as per normal
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19:09<cwood>Ah, hm. Interesting quandary.
19:09<verxion>at this point
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19:09<verxion>I think just removing lftp from the registry of apt would be sufficient
19:09<verxion>but I don't know how to do that
19:09<cwood>I suppose you could remove the files manually and then fix the package lists to erase all notion of it being installed.
19:10<verxion>I just don't know where the package lists are
19:11<witte>mark76: you have a nforce driver for your network card, the module it loads is forcedeth
19:11<cwood>Likely under /var/*/apt or somewhere.
19:11<mark76>That sounds like some kind of Metal band, witte
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19:11<witte>description: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver
19:12<verxion>ok, so in /var/lib/dpkg/info there are five files with lftp. in front of them
19:12<witte>mark76: great huh :-)
19:12<verxion>if I remove those files, will it no longer think it has lftp installed?
19:12<mark76>So, how so I use that information?
19:12<cwood>verxion: might be worth tarring up /var/lib/dpkg first, so you can restore in case your fiddling breaks something.
19:12<witte>mark76: i do not know from which kernel it is included, and i don't know which kernel is in the live cd
19:13<witte>mark76: but it is in the etch kernel, so it should be on the live cd
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19:14<mark76>Lemme see
19:14<cwood>verxion: just installed lftp, it gave me files in /var/lib/dpkg/info as well.
19:14<mark76>And then I'm off to bed
19:14<witte>mark76: you can use it as follows: try the live cd, do "lsmod forcedeth", if it returns nothing, you could modprobe forcedeth
19:14<mark76>See you all tomorrow
19:14<mark76>Thanks witte
19:14<verxion>ok, now I am having troubles with exim4-daemon-light, but no real information about it
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19:14<verxion>just says error code 1
19:14<witte>after that you can try to configure your network device with gui tool or so
19:14<verxion>while processing it
19:15<cwood>verxion: so the lftp thing worked?
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19:15<verxion>cwood: it certainly helped
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19:15<verxion>turns out lftp depends on exim4-daemon-light
19:15<verxion>which won't install
19:15<cwood>verxion: nifty, I'll remember that ni case I need to do something like it. :p
19:15<verxion>cwood: I did that once before, looooooooong ago
19:15<verxion>live over a decade ago
19:15<verxion>but still in debian
19:16<cwood>verxion: you can always apt-get install ftp ... likely doesn't depend on exim4-daemon-light.
19:16<verxion>could be
19:16<verxion>but lftp has parallization
19:16<dondelelcaro>verxion: it depends on mail-transport-agent, which happens to be provided by exim4-daemon-light
19:16<dondelelcaro>verxion: if you're not receiving mail, you can always just install nullmailer or similar.
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19:17<dondelelcaro>(you really should always have a way to get mail off of your system)
19:17<cwood>Try finishing the upgrade process first, so when your dependencies are unscrewed and the upgrade is finished, you can install what you need.
19:17<verxion>dondelelcaro: I don't use mail on this system at all
19:17<hachi>how do people manage config files and the fact that you can't really divert them?
19:17<dondelelcaro>hachi: uh... you just change them.
19:17<Ikarus>hachi: my /etc's lives in svn ?
19:17<Ikarus>err, live
19:18<dondelelcaro>hachi: overwriting a configuration file by a package without prompting is against policy.
19:18<hachi>using svn to do the job that I think dpkg should be doing seems a bit odd
19:18<cwood>hachi: GNU rcs. I don't trust policy to save me.
19:18<verxion>dondelelcaro: if I remove exim4-daemon-light and then install nullmailer, would I still have local mail?
19:18<verxion>I am not familiar with nullmailer
19:18<dondelelcaro>verxion: yes.
19:18<hachi>sure, but how do I make a package that can override the config of another package?
19:18<verxion>ok, then that should be sufficient
19:18<Ikarus>hachi: nah, I am doing it just so I can revert changes to configurations without hassle
19:18<dondelelcaro>verxion: all nullmailer does is handle getting the mail from your machine to another machine.
19:18<Ikarus>hachi: ah, you want to deploy configs
19:18<hachi>like, how do people autoomate the management of many machines with dpkg
19:19<dondelelcaro>hachi: you shouldn't ever distribute such a package, but it's fairly trivial. Just put in the appropriate bits to modify the configuration file in your postinst.
19:19<hachi>I'd like to say 'apt-get install kuiki-mail-config'
19:19<dondelelcaro>how you actually modify the configuration files is orthogonal to dpkg
19:19<hachi>sure, but when the package upgrades, the dpkg will want to ask if I want to overwrite the file
19:19<verxion>awesome, that fixed lftp
19:19<verxion>thanks dondelelcaro
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19:20<hachi>I'm tired of 3 years of saying 'no' to things that I changed on purpose, and yes to things that I never touched, but dpkg is wrong about
19:20<dondelelcaro>hachi: of course, and you can just say no thanks, use my version, which is the default.
19:20<hachi>I'm tired of this after 3 years
19:20<hachi>yes, but dpkg is wrong half of the time
19:20<hachi>I may not have changed the locales mapping on my machine
19:20<hachi>I'd like to assert this decision once and for all
19:20<dondelelcaro>hachi: then consider helping develop dpkg and working on the configuration file handling and merge support
19:20<hachi>"yes, I changed this file on purpose"
19:20<hachi>and "no, seriously... user did not interact with this file, stop asking"
19:21<kjetil_>Our you could but your /etc in some sort of version control. Then you can restore your original configfiles if dpkg change them
19:21<hachi>that requires human intervention
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19:22<hachi>I like dondelcarlo's opinion of the situation
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19:22<hachi>but I don't even know where this sort of work gets done
19:22<dondelelcaro>if you really care about it, you can always use the various --force-confdef or similar
19:22<hachi>is there a specific thing that does the config handling and policy
19:22<hachi>or is it all buried deep in the dpkg binary?
19:22<dondelelcaro>hachi: dpkg does the handling of everything that is a conffile.
19:23<dondelelcaro>the basic parameters of how that must happen is described in policy
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19:23<dondelelcaro>there are configuration files which are not conffiles, and are handled in accordance with policy using other things, like ucf, or custom postinst scripts.
19:24<verxion>I would just like to re-assert how very much I love apt
19:25<verxion>and how VERY glad I am that I moved from redhat 4 to debian so very very long ago
19:25<verxion>I went from slackware 0.99pl15
19:25<verxion>to redhat
19:25<verxion>to debian
19:26<verxion>never looked back
19:26<cwood>Went from RedHat 6.2. Same.
19:26<cwood>I have fewer crappy dependency problems with Sid than I ever did with Red Hat anything.
19:27<verxion>I am at a spot where it is warning me very severely
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19:27<verxion>it wants to remove sysvinit
19:27<verxion>I am attempting to install initscripts
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19:27<hachi>dondelelcaro: I puzzle over this problem every few weeks
19:27<hachi>how do you find a debian projects code repo?
19:27<cwood>verxion: this is the upgrade version of facing down the balrog.
19:27<hachi>like, dpkg
19:27<verxion>cwood: :)
19:28<verxion>cwood: I pet balrogs many times a day
19:28<cwood>verxion: I'd say, yeah, cool, whatever... but if you reboot halfway through this process, you may be ultra-boned as far as being able to boot.
19:28<verxion>cwood: just so I know the potential impact here...
19:28<verxion>if I COMPLETE the initscripts install
19:28<verxion>would I be able to boot?
19:28<verxion>or do you mean the entire upgrade/dist-upgrade
19:29<cwood>verxion: yes, if it works. The problem is that some essential packages should never be removed (like, say, your kernel).
19:29<verxion>well it is gonna remove a kernel
19:29<cwood>However, due to certain upgrade paths and dependencies, you may need for aptitude to temporarily shuffle things.
19:29<dondelelcaro>hachi: it's generally listed in the copyright file
19:29<verxion>The following packages will be REMOVED
19:29<verxion> kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 modutils sysvinit
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19:29<verxion>but I am running 2.6.7-2-k7
19:29<cwood>verxion: as long as it's not going to remove your bootable kernel, you could be fine.
19:30<dondelelcaro>hachi: but not always; if you ever can't find it, you can ask here.
19:30<verxion>ok, it completed with no errors
19:30<dondelelcaro>(dpkg for example, is in a git repository on, iirc)
19:30<verxion>I am just working my way through those 54 packages that were being held back one at a time
19:30<hachi>mmmm, git
19:30*hachi gnaws on git
19:30<cwood>verxion: sounds sensible.
19:30<verxion>down to less than 10 new
19:30<verxion>er, now
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19:31<hachi>conceptually would the files in /etc/apt/sources.d/ be conf files, or standard package files?
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19:32<hachi>if I wanted to supply them and control them with a package
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19:34<verxion>samba still works with my config files
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19:34<verxion>I was moderately worried that it would be a battle to get it working again with the new samba
19:34<dondelelcaro>hachi: those are all configuration files.
19:34<hachi>hooof, dpkg's written in C
19:34<dondelelcaro>hachi: they should either be marked as conffiles, or they should be moved to their final location after checking that there haven't been any changes in them.
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19:35<hachi>oh, this is dictated by policy still, I'm being a dope
19:35<verxion>I am on my last package
19:35<verxion>and a bit confused here
19:36<verxion>SSH is the one I am trying to upgrade
19:36<verxion>it is warning me about challenge-response
19:36<verxion>I am not sure I fully understand it
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19:37<cwood>That's more of an SSH thing... googling for how that works in SSH might help.
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19:40<verxion>it says my current openssh appears to have password authentication disabled
19:40<verxion>and says if I disable challenge-response in the new one, then users will not be able to log in using passwords
19:40<verxion>some network issues possibly
19:40-!-verxion was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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19:40<verxion>sorry, I lagged out
19:40<verxion>so all my text came at once. :(
19:41<verxion>ok, ssh still works, and the upgrade is now finished
19:41<cwood>verxion: that sounded more painless than it should have been. ;)
19:41<verxion>yeah, it went really smoothly
19:42<verxion>I think the base system is something like.... 5+ years old (the original install)
19:42<verxion>it has moved to four different mobo/cpu/mem/vidcard combinations
19:42<cwood>Mine is about that old, but it got moved to Sid right after I installed using Woody floppy disks.
19:42<verxion>and been dd'd from one drive to another at LEAST once
19:42<verxion>yeah, this was originally installed from floppy, lol
19:43<verxion>now I don't have a single system with a floppy in it anymore
19:43<verxion>nor any floppy disks either
19:44<verxion>the apt-get dist-upgrade only wanted to install sysvinit
19:44<verxion>nothing more (this is after finishing the upgrade)
19:44<verxion>so everything is done!
19:44<cwood>Wow, and you're still here. ;)
19:44<verxion>I just need to reboot at some point to verify nothing is utterly borked
19:44<verxion>yeah, I know
19:44<verxion>I am pretty surprised
19:44<verxion>and finch now installs fine
19:45<cwood>I confess to a certain disappointment that you didn't have to perform super-feats of Debian administration to fix your situation, but that's Debian for you.
19:45<verxion>it is this very sort of thing
19:45<verxion>which has happened multiple times over the last decade
19:46<verxion>that REALLY sells me on debian
19:46<verxion>I absolutely love it
19:46<verxion>ok, I will reboot it after we get back from supper
19:46<verxion>thanks very much everyone
19:47<verxion>I will reboot it and then install an actual modern kernel
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19:49<hachi>dpkg internal function 'ohshit'
19:49<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, hachi
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19:58<Entheogen>can someone tell me how to install kde4 on testing unstable?
19:58<Entheogen>do i have to remove 3.5 first?
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19:59<Entheogen>or i can easily upgrade 3.5?
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19:59<dpkg>somebody said kde 4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian.
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20:31<ircMonkey>Hi, how to read .deb files?
20:31<weasel>ar x foo.deb
20:31<Entheogen>ar x
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20:35<ircMonkey>do you think the data.tar.gz is just to be tar -zxvf at "/"?
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20:37<federica87>you want to be money click me
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20:40<ircMonkey>is it possible to read a .so file?
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20:42<navin_>can any1 help me hw to use msn messenger in ubuntu
20:42<weasel>no, not here
20:42<weasel>go to #ubuntu on
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20:47*verxion eats neds with the fam
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20:50<noys>how would i check disk space left? terminal command
20:50<witte>df -h
20:50<tj__>df -h i think
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20:50<tj__>you beat me to it witte
20:51<witte>don't think, it will spare you a number of keystrokes
20:51<tj__>witte. how to start the hddtemp config app?
20:51<tj__>it wont come up at boot for gkrellm
20:51<witte>tj__: i don't know that application
20:51<tj__>and at install i chose to start as deamon.
20:52<tj__>k... thanks anyways...
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20:52<ircMonkey>I've got a package that has been installed with errors, and that doesn't accept to be removed.
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20:52<witte>tj__: what if you just type the name "hddtemp" in terminal
20:53<witte>ircMonkey: paste your error to a pastebin
20:53<cwood>ircMonkey: perhaps try apt-get -f install first
20:54<tj__>nothing.. requirement needed and --help doesnt give it
20:54<ircMonkey>witte: what variable do I have to change to have the language turned to english? something with 'C'
20:55<ircMonkey>cwood: it won't install,
20:55<cwood>I'll wait for the pastebin too.
20:56<ircMonkey>cwood: my fault it's a package not from debian repos
20:56<tj__>i can start it just fine and -d starts deamon mode... i also went to /ect/modules and tried "hddtemp -d /dev/sda" which is what works in terminal... and i tried it without "-d" and still nothing
20:56<cwood>ircMonkey: what system?
20:56<ircMonkey>cwood: you wouldn't read a pastbin in french :)
20:56<cwood>try me.
20:56<ircMonkey>cwood: from brother a printer manufacturer
20:57<cwood>ircMonkey: Sounds like you should be sending your error message about Brother's deb to Brother.
20:57<witte>ircMonkey: something wiht lang C or export it
20:59<witte>ircMonkey: maybe LANG=C command
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21:00<witte>ircMonkey: paste it in french
21:00<ircMonkey>I did it in french But you said for the C :)
21:00<witte>ircMonkey: ah, it did work
21:01<witte>ircMonkey: can you upload /var/lib/dpkg/info/hl1250lpr.postrm
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21:03<ircMonkey># ESP Package Manager v3.5.1
21:03<ircMonkey>/etc/init.d/lpd restart
21:03<ircMonkey>You think I should install lpr?
21:04<ircMonkey>In fact I installed lrpng.
21:04<ircMonkey>What package gives lpd?
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21:04<witte>ircMonkey: do you want to upgrade that package or remove it?
21:04<witte>ircMonkey: lpr gives lpd
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21:05<ircMonkey>to remove it
21:05<ircMonkey>witte: but not lprng?
21:05<witte>ircMonkey: but if you want to remove the package, i would place a "#" before the "/etc/init.d/lpd restart" in that postrm file
21:06<ircMonkey>witte: good idea
21:06<witte>ircMonkey: "apt-file search lpd" says no
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21:07<witte>ircMonkey: if you need to print today, there could be some hickups, but if not, this hack can't do any harm...
21:07<witte>ircMonkey: i think
21:07<oasdhf>is there a debian-standard way to configure an extended keyboard for X (so the extra buttons are xmodmapped)?
21:08<ircMonkey>It's fine it's removed; as I said This package was not from official debian distribution but from a printer manufacturer; I will care about it some other day
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21:09<witte>oasdhf: there are some programs that allow you to configure your keyboard, but i dont have any experience with them...
21:10<witte>oasdhf: keytouch is one, but there are others
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21:12<inforux>hola comunidad debian
21:12<inforux>tegno una conslta
21:12<witte>whois inforux
21:12<inforux>de instalacion
21:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:12<witte>oops, I was trying to figure out if it was spanish or Portuguese
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21:13<cwood>Peru... I think that's Spanish.
21:13*cwood is completely illiterate in Spanish.
21:13*witte too
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21:15<witte>cervesa and ola chica is as far as my knowledge for Spanish reach
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21:22*Killing_Frost wonders where USB thumb drives show up on the directory tree.
21:22<witte>Killing_Frost: /dev/...
21:22<simonrvn_>in /media if you have stuff like usbmount installed
21:23<witte>Killing_Frost: unless you have some tool installed
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21:23<Killing_Frost>Must be a crappy drive then. Nothing shows.
21:23<PatM2>I need a bit of help getting gpe up and running. If I understand this correctly, I need to install xorg first, then the gnome palmtop environment? I installed the GPE metapackage but there doesn't seem to be any way to start the desktop.
21:24<cwood>PatM2: you might need to put something in .xsession or .xinitrc
21:24<Killing_Frost>try 'startx' or install gdm/kdm/xdm.
21:25<PatM2>I was googling on those and can't seem to find any specifics about what goes in them. Just that you need them. Figured the packages would put at least an example file someplace.
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21:26<cwood>PatM2: there's often a main file you need to execute... like /usr/bin/fluxbox, or /usr/bin/xfce4-session ... are you using gdm/kdm/xdm?
21:26<Killing_Frost>Nothing in /etc/X11?
21:26<PatM2>Nope, no graphical login yet.
21:26<simonrvn_>oh damn... perl 5.10 in sid now... BE CAREFUL PEOPLE
21:26<ravenbird>thanks, simonrvn_. It's good to be back.
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21:27<PatM2>Lots in /etc/X11 in a minute I hope.
21:27<PatM2>(just finished installing xorg)
21:27<cwood>PatM2: So you can figure out which file this is in gpe, and then use that in your .xinitrc for startx.
21:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1)
21:28<cwood>simonrvn: wheeeeee
21:28*Killing_Frost sighs, guessing he'll have to configure samba to xfer files to Windoze.
21:28<simonrvn>yeh, until you have to put it on hold so the other stuff can catch up
21:28<PatM2>Ah, so I just copy /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to my home dir (as .xinitrc?)
21:29<cwood>PatM2: no, you'd create a new file with your session manager or window manager of choice.
21:29<cwood>And .xsession or .xinitrc, depending on if you use a display manager.
21:29<Killing_Frost>And add yourself to the video group.
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21:30<simonrvn>and audio
21:30<Killing_Frost>And games if you want to cheat on highscores.
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21:33*Killing_Frost thinks "Bugrit" and yanks the thumb drive out.
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21:34<PatM2>Ah I see, .xinitrc just calls /etc/X11/Xsession
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21:37<verxion>ok, back from supper
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21:37<verxion>hrm, can someone tell me if that preceding line had "ok" at the beginning, or just "k" ?
21:38<verxion> can anyone read this?
21:39<cwood>verxion: <verxion> ok, back from supper ... and no
21:39<PatM2>xf86PciVideoInfo not found. Ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and its set properly in xorg.conf...
21:40<verxion>I am having some weird effect here in irc
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21:40<verxion>the first character of every line is missing
21:40<PatM2>Google is showing nothing about xf86PciVideoInfo not found.
21:40<verxion>and my # symbol has been replaced
21:40<verxion>ie, the hash is now the English pound instead
21:40<PatM2>font corrupt?
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21:41<witte>verxion: in a shell or in your irc client?
21:41<verxion>so I think I have a problem with my localization perhaps
21:41<witte>verxion: which client do you use?
21:41<verxion>witte: in irc
21:41<verxion>though it does the same at the shell prompt
21:41<verxion>I am using irssi
21:41<verxion>(which is imho amazing for irc)
21:41<witte>could also be a utf8 issue
21:42<verxion>this is interesting
21:42<verxion>another ssh session is fine
21:42<verxion>let me open a new one
21:42<witte>verxion: do you use some old configs or so?
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21:42<PatM2>Oop, xf86pcivideoinfo is not set (not not found)
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21:42<verxion>ok, so the pound is fixed
21:42<verxion>but I am still having problems with the first portions of irc lines being dropped
21:43<verxion>so the beginning of every irc line has the first character dropped
21:43<verxion>and some nicks are also missing the first character
21:43<witte>verxion: maybe run dpkg-reconfigure locales
21:43<cwood>verxion: perhaps compare in xchat or bitchx, see if you still have the problem.
21:43<verxion>I'm going to re-run irssi
21:43<verxion>maybe it got munged
21:43<witte>cwood: bitchx is not in lenny anymore
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21:44<cwood>Didn't know. Why not?
21:44<witte>there were security issues with it, and it was no longer maintained
21:45<witte>but dpkg should tell us that as well
21:46<witte>cwood: the factoid seems to be missing, but you can still read it here:*bitchx*&term=key
21:46<cwood>aha, thank you
21:46<witte>!dbugs 451373
21:46<dpkg>DONE:#451373:N[] RM: ircii-pana -- RoQA; security issues, abandoned upstream, unmainted; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:09:02 UTC
21:47<PatM2>Anybody know what this xf86PciVideoInfo setting is? I'm on an arm processor and don't even have PCI bus.
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21:47<verxion>ok, irssi was very messed up
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21:52<DDr>Can anyone help me with sendmail please?
21:52<DDr>I accidently deleted mail.log in /var/log and dont know how to correctly recreate it
21:53<witte>DDr: on my system it is like this: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 0 Feb 2 02:29 /var/log/mail.log
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21:54<DDr>so, what commands would I run to achieve that?
21:55<witte>DDr: so "touch /var/log/mail.log;chown root:adm /var/log/mail.log;chmod 640 /var/log/mail.log" should do the trick
21:55<witte>DDr: as root
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21:55<verxion>witte: I was now going to attempt to upgrade my kernel, something I haven't really done much of on debian. When I used to keep current on kernels, I always compiled them myself using the old fashioned make config; anything special I should know about upgrading using apt-get in debian?
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21:56<witte>verxion: just do "apt-cache search linux-image", take the one you want, and aptitude install <theoneyouwant>
21:56<verxion>I am currently on 2.6.8-2-k7, and am running an AMD 3800 X2 on the system
21:57<verxion>witte: well, my main concern lies with things such as network card drivers and iptables configuration
21:57<DDr>witte, thank you, I will ask some questions as I go along.
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21:57<verxion>witte: have there been major changes to iptables since 2.6.8, or can I generally expect my iptables stuff to continue to work?
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21:57<witte>verxion: it should work, but i have no idea about iptables...
21:58<verxion>or maybe iptables is now gone?
21:58<verxion>I used to use ipchains
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21:58<verxion>but changed to iptables when I built this system
21:58<witte>verxion: no, I don't think iptables are gone
21:58<verxion>is that still the standard way to do things?
21:58<witte>verxion: i am even quite sure of that
21:58<verxion>is there a better mechanism?
21:58<verxion>ok, thanks
21:58<witte>verxion: i am behind a router... so i have no firewall running
21:59<witte>verxion: or rather, that router is my firewall...
21:59<verxion>actually, it looks like 2.6.x is still current
21:59<verxion>that boggles my mind
21:59<DDr>witte, I installed sendmail, and it's sending mail with localhost.localdomain for some reason, thus yahoo and hotmail rejects it. Do you know how I can fix this issue?
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22:00<witte>DDr: no, i don't use sendmail
22:00<Killing_Frost>Look in /etc/mail/peers
22:00<DDr>Killing_Frost, what is that?
22:00<Killing_Frost>Where to keep the system info.
22:01<DDr>this was in it
22:01<Killing_Frost>MASQUERADE_AS and MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE are importand for what you're doing. Masquerading as your ISP.
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22:02<DDr>so adding: MASQUERADE_AS( would fix it?
22:03<DDr>do I need to restart anything if I edit that file and how?
22:04<Killing_Frost>It should. You may have to move the MAILER_TABLEE line in up a few lines before the include peers statement..It will warn you if they haven't fixed it yet.
22:04<Killing_Frost>Scratch that.
22:04<Killing_Frost>Lemme look.
22:04*DDr waiting :)
22:05<DDr>do I need anything about "SMART_HOST" ?
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22:07<verxion>I rebooted after doing my "apt-get upgrade", and my masquerading no longer works
22:07<verxion>I double double checked and I have 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
22:09<DDr>Killing_Frost, So I dont need to change anything else?
22:09<DDr>Do I need to restart sendmail? and how?
22:09<Killing_Frost>The MAILER_DEFINITIONS block should be the very last thing in
22:09<PatM2>Hmm, is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg the only automatic way to generate xorg.conf?
22:09<Killing_Frost>just run sendmailconfig to read/compile everything.
22:10<DDr>Killing_Frost, do I need to set smarthost?
22:10<PatM2>Or do I have to manually create all the screen entries, refresh rates and everything?
22:11<Killing_Frost>Set your system info in /etc/mail/peers/provider. That should cover it. Everything else is prettymuch controlled from /etc/mail/sendmail.conf
22:11<verxion>ok, looks like for whatever reason
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22:12<verxion>less was actually UNINSTALLED during the apt-get upgrade
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22:14<Killing_Frost>If you use MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE, it should make all your mail appear from your ISP, including local mail.
22:15<DDr>what's local mail?
22:15<verxion>Can someone tell me if "linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64" is appropriate for an AMD 3800 X2 ?
22:16<verxion>it looks like the most appropriate kernel image to me, but I haven't kept up
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22:17<DDr>Killing_Frost, my irc client ignored file...
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22:18<DDr>what was the extension? I will enable it
22:18<DDr>by the way, how do I properly read mail from /var/mail ?
22:18<DDr>is there a utility?
22:18<Killing_Frost>Local mail is <name>@localhost
22:18<DDr>right now I'm downloading and viewing as text and theres more than one in it
22:19<dondelelcaro>DDr: mutt or similar will do it
22:19<dondelelcaro>DDr: any reasonable MUA can do so too
22:19<DDr>guys, how can I find out why hotmail and yahoo reject my mail?
22:19<dondelelcaro>DDr: they'll tell you in the 550 message
22:21<DDr>where do I check that?
22:21<Killing_Frost>In the mail you get.
22:21<dpkg>amd64 is, like, the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel.
22:22<witte>verxion: ^^
22:22<witte>verxion: or do apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64
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22:23<verxion>witte: I am not sure I am following
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22:23<verxion>the cache show has it as an architecture of i386
22:23<verxion>mainly I just want something that will use both cores
22:23<DDr>It says emails from ipaddresses not accepted
22:23<verxion>ahh, this is the pertinent section
22:23<verxion> This package provides the binary image and pre-built loadable modules for
22:23<verxion> Linux kernel 2.6.24 on all 64bit single- and multiprocessor AMD and Intel machines
22:24<DDr>Connections not accepted from IP addresses on Spamhaus XBL; see
22:24<DDr>do I need to configure /etc/hosts somehow?
22:24<dondelelcaro>DDr: so your IP is in the spamhaus XBL, remove yourself from it.
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22:24<witte>verxion: yeah, they don't do 101 different versions of the kernel anymore, nowadays they support a lot with one kernel
22:25<help>if you're sending mail from a dynamic IP, use your provider's MTA.
22:25<verxion>ok, cool
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22:25<verxion>"back in the day" I always built my kernel specific for my needs. I generally had everything in the kernel, no modules unless I had to
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22:25<help>if you've got time to waste, you can still do that
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22:25<Xenguy>DDr: sometimes known as the 'smarthost' option IIRC
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22:26<witte>verxion: you can still do that, and it will get you will get at least 0.04% efficiency improvement ;-)
22:26<witte>!gentoosmite verxion
22:26*dpkg spends 8 weeks recompiling verxion, and when it's all done, verxion runs 0.1% faster than previously
22:26<verxion>witte: hehehe, I know processors are better these days
22:27<verxion>I used to use some really low end stuff tho
22:27<verxion>for years and years I had a 386 as my firewall/fileserver/gateway
22:27<verxion>it had three internet connections (all 28.8 modems) and served the internet to twenty machines
22:28<verxion>absolutely ANY performance gain I could get on that machine was warranted. :)
22:28<PatM2>I had to make a custom kernel for my box. Spent about a month figuring out how to get all the devices working. Couldn't run the box without doing that.
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22:28<PatM2>But then I have 64mb ram...
22:28<verxion>yeah, I can't remember for certain
22:28<verxion>but I think at one point at least, that 386 had only 4mb of ram
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22:28*Xenguy used to compile kernels cos it was fun; then he got lazy ... ;-)
22:28<PatM2>(yes, mb, not gb!)
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22:30<nevyn>Xenguy: s/lazy/sensible/
22:30<verxion>witte: ok, it says I need to update my kernel-img.conf
22:30<verxion>the file is super short, I don't know what I need to update in it though
22:30<Xenguy>nevyn: heh, well let's just say that after awhile the novelty wore off :-)
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22:31<witte>verxion: who says you have to update that file?
22:31<verxion>witte: apt-get install kernel-image does. :)
22:31<witte>verxion: there is a man page on kernel-img.conf
22:31<nevyn>Xenguy: it does that.
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22:31<verxion>fw:/etc# man kernel-image.conf
22:31<verxion>No manual entry for kernel-image.conf
22:31<nevyn>there's enough other stuff to worry about without maintaining your own packages of stuff
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22:32<witte>verxion: reread which manpage you should look for ;-)
22:32<verxion>fw:/etc# man kernel-img.conf
22:32<verxion>No manual entry for kernel-img.conf
22:32<witte>verxion: and you do mean apt-get install linux-image right?
22:32<verxion>yeah witte
22:33<verxion>apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64
22:33<verxion>that is the exact command I ran
22:33<witte>verxion: i dont know why you need to change kernel-img.conf, but try installing kernel-package first
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22:34<witte>verxion: it at least should have that manpage you were looking for
22:34<verxion>ahh, here we go
22:34<verxion>looks like things are changing
22:34<verxion>instead of having /sbin/update-grub
22:35<verxion>it should be update-grub
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22:37<verxion>ok, so final bit here
22:37<verxion>do I need to do anything to tell grub about the new kernel?
22:37<verxion>it LOOKS like I just run "update-grub"
22:38<cwood>verxion: you might want to check /boot/grub/menu.lst and see if it's configured to boot your kernel.
22:38<verxion>but I wanted to be sure before I reboot
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22:38<witte>verxion: normally grub should be reconfigured automatically
22:39<verxion>I see four listings in menu.lst
22:39<verxion>two kernels, each has an ro and an ro single
22:40<verxion>only thing I don't know how to tell is which is the default
22:40<verxion>first is really first?
22:40<cwood>do the default, timeout, title, root, kernel, and initrd lines match files and configs match what you want?
22:40<witte>verxion: in principle it is the first, but read the file, you can change it that it is not the first...
22:40<cwood>The default line defines which is chosen to boot by default.
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22:41<parmon>hi. is this a help chan?
22:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
22:42<parmon>hi. i am trying to set my ip using "ifconfig eth0 address but i'm getting an error message saying "address: Host name lookup failure". am i doing something wrong here?
22:42<cwood>parmon: you can check to see if you've assigned the ip by doing "ifconfig eth0" by itself
22:42<cwood>parmon but you usually don't need the word "address" in there
22:42<verxion>ok, gonna try a rebewt
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22:43<parmon>btw thats the error msg i get when trying to set the ip. not afterwards
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22:44<cwood>parmon: ipconfig eth0
22:44<DDr>for god sake, is there a doc where i can read how to roperly setup mail and configurre php to send mail from my debian system?
22:46<cwood>DDr: Presumably php should be sending mail to your local smtp daemon, which should itself route mail from your system.
22:46<parmon>thanks cwood. much appreciated. although i was doing what the man page told me to... :/
22:47<cwood>parmon: I can't find where it says "address <ip>" in "man ifconfig", though.
22:47<DDr>cwood it the local dameon that I am ahaving problems with
22:47<DDr>it sends with IP instead of hostname and servers reject that
22:47<cwood>DDr: what are your mail error logs saying? Further, you might want to implement proper dns and host-based email, then.
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22:48<parmon>i read it wrong
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22:49<cwood>parmon: ow, I share your pain.
22:49<parmon>i thought "address" was an option. should have noticed the lack of a dash in front of it.
22:50<parmon>i'm going to go play with my network now.
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22:52<Mosfet>how do i get flash to work with ubuntu 64?
22:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:53<DaCapn>Not to mention that flash on 64-bit ubuntu has been well covered.
22:53<Mosfet>it keeps asking to update and when i do it sais no update available
22:53<witte>what is this, with ubuntu, do they point all their irc clients to #debian by default or what?
22:54<witte>Mosfet: you are at the wrong channel
22:54<DaCapn>Yeah, that's probably the strangest thing.
22:54<Mosfet>hmm , i do apologize
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22:55<witte>Mosfet: no problem, check out #ubuntu on
22:55<DDr>guys, how can I setup sendmail so that it sends emails from host and not IP? cos emails sent from IP are rejected
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22:55<verxion>hey, I just wanted to stop back in
22:55<verxion>everything worked awesome
22:56<cwood>verxion: damn... have to put away my schadenfreude. ;)
22:56<verxion>thank you SOOO much witte and cwood and dondelelcaro
22:56<verxion>you three all helped me immensely
22:56<dboss>using knoppix in vmware harddrive install, is guest OS on XP host, using usb to ide adapteradapter drive set to cable can i get knoppix to detect the drive please...anyone helllppp?
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22:56<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
22:57<witte>verxion: you are welcome, but please update a bit more often
22:57<verxion>I just know from experience that very often people get help and never report back to tell people or thank them
22:57<verxion>so I always make a point to do that
22:57<cwood>witte: no he shouldn't, then we wouldn't have more of this fun in a few years. :p
22:57<verxion>witte: I agree, I definitely will
22:57<verxion>cwood: lol!
22:57<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
22:58<dpkg>Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. Or
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22:58<dboss>lol is stupid
22:58<verxion>thanks again! :)
22:59<witte>cwood: the link dpkg pointed to is "address not found"
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22:59<cwood>witte: can we submit a bug against dpkg?
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23:00<witte>cwood: you can, but i doubt the people who maintain the package will be very amused if you do
23:00<witte>cwood: but if you know the correct link, you can change it
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23:01<dboss>so any of you ladies can help me out?
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23:02<cwood>oh, how?
23:04<witte>cwood: you could say "dpkg no, heh is <new text>" or alternatively: "dpkg: heh =~ s/<something>/<something else>/"
23:05<witte>cwood: you could also use # as a delimiter in the latter case
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23:05<cwood>Thanks, I'll google when I have a moment.
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23:07<DDr>what is the most common "sendmail" type of program used in linux?
23:07<DDr>I need to set it up properly please
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23:08<cwood>DDr: depends entirely on your needs. Perhaps look in the mail section of I've used Sendmail, Exim, Postfix, preferred the latter.
23:08<nevyn>DDr: the most common MTA is sendmail
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23:09<DDr>cwood, what do i need to configure so that sendmail sends mail via host, not ip?
23:09<DDr>servers are rejecting my mail
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23:10<DDr>I'm going crazy of helplessness
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23:10<cwood>DDr: so from the command line using mailx or mutt or something, you mail somebody and it gets rejected in your mail logs?
23:10<nevyn>DDr: but it's archane and crufty and unless you already know it or know someone who knows it I'd strongly advise using exim4 or postfix
23:11<cwood>nevyn: Do you have a source on MTA usage statistics?
23:12<DDr>cwood, no I'm sending via PHP. gmail accepts it, yahoo and hotmail reject and error messages look like this:
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23:12<witte>!mta comparison
23:12<dpkg>mta comparison is probably
23:12<DDr>Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 OU-001 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for policy reasons. Reasons for rejection may be related to content with spam-like characteristics or IP/domain reputation problems. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service Provider for help. Email/network admins, please visit for email delivery information and support
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23:12<DDr>Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 Mail from myipwashere not allowed - 5.7.1 [BL23] Connections not accepted from IP addresses on Spamhaus XBL; see
23:13<cwood>DDr: sounds like you're getting rejected for reasons unrelated to your configuration. Read up on anti-spam techniques, perhaps.
23:13<DDr>no dude.. I'm not a spammer... sending mail to my users
23:13<DDr>they just see mail delivered by ip, not host for some reason
23:14<dboss>Hmmm interesting
23:14<cwood>DDr: what I mean is that the server on the other end seems to think that you have characteristics of a spammer. Perhaps your ip address was used in the past by a spammer, and so on.
23:15<DDr>cwood, or could it be that it sees that email was sent by IP not HOST and that's why?
23:15<DDr>like: Message-ID: <ab9c94d2e60c0d6310f249b40b6dda91@localhost.localdomain>
23:15<DDr>that does not look right
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23:16<DDr>and this: Received: from localhost.localdomain ([])
23:16<DDr>I dont know...
23:16<cwood>Yeah, sounds like your domain name setup needs work.
23:16<DDr>I'm so frusraed
23:16<DDr>cwood, how can I achieve that?
23:17<cwood>DDr: Have you configured your own hostname and dns information? Does Sendmail know which system you're running on? If you don't know the answer, try reading "man hostname" and read the sendmail docs.
23:17<dpkg>sendmail is one of the older <Mail Transfer Agents>, configurable using m4 and it's own cf language. If you don't know why you want to use sendmail, consider using <postfix> or <exim> instead. Ask me about <mta comparison> for more information.
23:17<cwood>perhaps apt-get install sendmail-doc
23:17<cwood>But really, read those etc links. They will help you.
23:19<DDr>when I type hostname in my cli, it gives me an integer
23:19<nevyn>bleh sorry about the url.
23:19<cwood>nevyn: ty
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23:19<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
23:19<witte>DDr: is /etc/hosts configured?
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23:20<DDr>I played with it and probably is not set right
23:21<DDr> 55340 localhost
23:21<nevyn>cwood: a quite useful page that.
23:21<DDr>this is what it looks like
23:21<dpkg>It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or
23:21<cwood>Ddr: nope, not right. Read "man hosts".
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23:22<witte>DDr: that number does not need to be there
23:22<cwood>DDr: sounds like 55340 is the integer you get when you try "hostname"
23:24<DDr>should I put my external ip in hosts file?
23:24<cwood>DDr: might help
23:24<witte>DDr: what do you mean with external? your routers?
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23:25<DDr>witte, I dont know.. I'ma struggling newbie trying to configure vps
23:25<DDr>can you help me setup my hostname as mydomain?
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23:26<cwood>DDr: instead of the whole thing at once, perhaps start with the building blocks. Get your own hostname, hosts file, then mail, then work on the php bit.
23:27<DDr>I got domainr egistered
23:27<witte>DDr: look at /sbin/ifconfig, there you can see your ip
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23:27<witte>DDr: the first line of your hosts file is correct, fill the ip in the second one, and see if that works
23:28<DDr>ok, one sec
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23:31<DDr>are those tabs between: localhost.localdomain localhost
23:31<Lucky>How do I tell cryptsetup to try to mount a different /dev/sd*? I just updated my encrypted etch system to the recent security updated kernel. As a result, my boot drive has changed from /dev/sda to /dev/sdi. And cryptsetup still tries to mount /dev/sda5
23:31<witte>DDr: doesnt matter i think
23:33<DDr>ok, I've set the hostname and when I type hostname it shows which is correct
23:33<DDr>anthign else?
23:34<witte>DDr: when i come to think of it, it is a strange hostname
23:34<witte>DDr: i would expect
23:34<witte>DDr: or rather
23:34<DDr>there needs to be 3 parts like that?
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23:35<witte>DDr: in your cause i guess
23:35<DDr>may i ask why findguild in front is necessary?
23:35<nevyn>it's not.
23:35<witte>DDr: what is your domain
23:35<DDr>domain is
23:35<nevyn>having an A record for your domain only is perfectly valid
23:36<nevyn>you don't need www or
23:36<nevyn>people get confused when you dont sometimes tho.
23:36<witte>ah, ok, nevyn knows more about it than i do
23:36<witte>and i was one of the confused people:-)
23:36<DDr>quick question, how can I clear /var/mail/root emailsin it?
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23:36<cwood>You can delete /var/mail/root if you don't want anythin in it.
23:37<DDr>no I want it, but there's many rejected emails in it and I want to start off fresh
23:38<nevyn>witte: what is evil is having with an A record and no A record for
23:39<cwood>DDr: then move the file elsewhere to keep it.
23:39<witte>nevyn: and what is an A record again?
23:39<nevyn>a link from a name to an ip address
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23:43<kerneld>Does debian support any single instance filesystems?
23:43<DDr>Ok, I am close to giving up, I dont know how to troubleshoot shit...
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23:43<cwood>DDr: if you give up now, you'll never learn anything. Why not settle down somewhere comfy and read documentation?
23:43<nevyn>kerneld: what's a single instance filesystem?
23:44<DDr>cwood, where do I start?
23:44<kerneld>nevyn: delta encoded data, deduplication, ...
23:44<cwood>DDr: you can start with the basics:
23:44<cwood>and the docs for your system
23:44<dpkg>methinks doc is ...files are now stored under /usr/share/doc, or see documentation, or apt-cache search -- "-doc$"
23:44<kerneld>err not meant to be caps
23:44<nevyn>I get what you mean now.
23:44<stratman4300>whats the name of the developers channel??
23:44<nevyn>like a content hashing store.
23:45<kerneld>nevyn: Yep
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23:52<DDr>Quick question: will apt-get remove sendmail remove it's configuration files too?
23:52<cwood>you need --purge to scourge everything
23:52<avu>DDr, no
23:52<stratman4300>DDr: no
23:52<kerneld>DDr: you need to dpkg --purge
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23:53<DDr>what would be the entire command for sendmail?
23:53<avu>apt-get has --purge, too. or you could use aptitude purge sendmail
23:53<stratman4300>DDr: apt-get remove --purge sendmail
23:54<DDr>omg, now I'm really confused... what's difference between /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname?
23:55<kerneld>dpkg --force-all --purge libc6
23:55<dpkg>kerneld: wish i knew
23:55<cwood>read man hosts and man hostname
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23:56<kerneld>DDr: if you change your hostname, be sure to change /etc/hostname too
23:56<DDr>so /etc/hosts has nothing to do with server hostname!
23:57<kerneld>DDr: No, but it is always worth re-visiting /etc/hosts
23:57<kerneld>you install hostname is prob set as an alias to localhost
23:58<DDr>Ok, my domain name is, for god sake guys, tell me how to configure system correctly so it knows it's host/hostanme is
23:59<kerneld>DDr: what does the output of hostname command say
23:59<kerneld>if it doesn't say waht you thinkl, run it with the desired hostname, then edit /etc/hostname
23:59<DDr>but in /etc/hostname it says 55340
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