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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-05-02

---Logopened Fri May 02 00:00:34 2008
00:00<kerneld>DDr: /etc/hostname is only looked at by some apps (mail servers maybe) and a boot script which uses it to set the hostname with the hostname command
00:01<kerneld>more /etc/init.d/hostname.sh
00:03<DDr>when sendmail sends mail, it looks like: msgid=<25ce85a9435354be5aed7ce598faa3d0@localhost.localdomain <- and that's the problem
00:03<DDr>It should be the correct address find-guild.com
00:03<cwood>So read the Sendmail docs. They will tell you how to set that.
00:04<kerneld>DDr: as cwood says
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00:05<kerneld>DDr: You may want to use exim or postfix which are easier to get your head around
00:06<DDr>Ok
00:06<DDr>kerneld
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00:08<DDr>how can i clear log?
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00:10<kerneld>which log?
00:10<kerneld>rm works for me
00:10<kerneld>(Then restart syslog)
00:10<DDr>I need to delete say: /var/log/mail.log
00:11<DDr>not delete but clear what's inside
00:11<Xenguy>DDr: why would you want to delete your logs?
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00:11<DDr>too much stuff in it, hard to read
00:11<kerneld>DDr: Linux rewards those that read documentation
00:11<Xenguy>DDr: but if you insist: cat /dev/null > <file>
00:11<cwood>Heh, keep the logs. You need to learn how to read those.
00:12<Xenguy>DDr: you should learn to grep your logs instead of deleting them IMHO
00:12<kerneld>DDr: hint: tail -f /var/log/mail.log
00:14<DDr>same thing with postfix... sends to google, rejected from yahoo and hotmail
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00:14<DDr>see.. I'm not lazy, I dont mind reading, but in this case it's hard to know what to read
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00:15<kerneld>DDr: You want your mailserver to HELO with a canonincal FQDN
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00:15<DDr>I dont know what that means, but ok. How do I do that?
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00:17<kerneld>DDr: http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/doc/www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/sendmail.htm#_Toc32905688
00:17<kerneld>read The /etc/hosts File
00:17<akirch-laptop>I'm trying to follow the online kernel handbook instructions for recompiling the debian kernel but I havn't gotten a debian folder in the kernel source that fakeroot calls. Where did I go long?
00:18<akirch-laptop>err wrong
00:18<kerneld>akirch-laptop: make-kpkg was the old way
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00:19<kerneld>that would create one for you
00:19<kerneld>dpkg make-kpkg
00:19<dpkg>methinks make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
00:19<DDr>kerneld, in that example the ip on second line is :192.168.1.100 which is lan ip...
00:20<kerneld>DDr: Yes - you need to have an entry in your hosts file for your public (As far as outgoing email) IP is
00:20<DDr>I dont know the lan ip for that machina, I only know internet rea;l ip
00:20<kerneld>DDr: You want to enable SMTP on your public IP too as a pre-requisite I guess
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00:22<kerneld>DDr: is it using dhcp? Eeew. I think you want to change your sendmail to not use /etc/hosts or use another smtpd which is easily told what name to use
00:22<DDr>is it ok if instead of "192.168.1.100 bigboy.my-site.com bigboy mail www" I have "209.34.12.220 bigboy.my-site.com bigboy mail www"
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00:22<DDr>kerneld, I dont know what it's using
00:22<DDr>how do I find out what is my lan ip that starts with 192
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00:22<kerneld>If you don't know what IP it is using you are doomed
00:23<kerneld>ifconfig
00:23<kerneld>cat you put /etc/network/interfaces in pastebin or something?
00:23<DDr>inet addr:209.40.204.69 <- is this it?
00:24<kerneld>Yes, most likely
00:24<kerneld>so you want 209.40.204.69 bigboy.my-site.com bigboy
00:24<kerneld>in your hosts file
00:25<kerneld>then do: host 209.40.204.69
00:25<kerneld>just to check how it resolves
00:25<DDr>it appears that it important to have " bigboy.my-site.com" and not just my-site.com
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00:26<kerneld>DDr: looks like it. If that is the default way sendmail works, that is just asking for open relays up the wazoo.
00:26<kerneld>You need to know what you are doing if you want to use sendmail
00:26<DDr>I have postfix now
00:26<DDr>removd sendmail, have postfix
00:27<kerneld>postfix is eas: main.cf: myhostname = bigboy.my-site.com
00:27<DDr>where is that?
00:27<kerneld> main.cf
00:28<DDr>yes
00:28<DDr>where is main.cf
00:28<kerneld>where do you think? Look in /usr/share/docs/postfix/README.Debian
00:29<DDr>man postfix
00:29<cwood>DDr: instead of trying to compile something that works in five minutes, you will really be better served to take a few hours and read the documentation for your system and all the daemons you plan to run.
00:30<DDr>I just need to setup mail... that's all
00:30<DDr>I dont intent to be sysadmin
00:30<DDr>but you're right
00:30<kerneld>DDr: You intend to be a spam haven then?
00:31<DDr>no dude, I'm a php developer
00:31<kerneld>it is irrespnsible to setup a mail server connected to the internet without being prepared to do at least a little reading
00:31<DDr>swamped with work to do and cant get mail working
00:31<cwood>DDr: If you have a system that you're in charge of, you're a sysadmin.
00:32<kerneld>I will not help you further to 'just get it working' Sorry
00:32<DDr>ok
00:33<DDr>you have no idea what I'm going through here
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00:33<cwood>Actually, I do, having started out in email using RedHat 6.2 and Sendmail.
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00:33<kerneld>DDr: I work in IT. I think I do. postfix is faster to setup and learn than sendmail so you are on the right track
00:34<cwood>I had to invest a good deal of time reading and cranking out the elbow grease, and my php/postgresql site was better for it.
00:34<DDr>I realy appreciate all you guys have done for me, dont get me wrong :)
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00:34<kerneld>the time you have wasted defending not reading docs, you could have gotten postfix up and running :P
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00:42<DDr>myhostname was set correctly apparently...
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00:43<DDr>I dont even know what's my problem any more
00:43<kerneld>DDr: sendmail is a bit more quirky
00:43<DDr>no, I have postfix now
00:43<kerneld>By default, I think debian postfix uses /etc/mailname
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00:44<DDr>yep, that one is set to find-guild too
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00:45<kerneld>which would not be entirely correct in a multihomed system. sendmail is a bit of dis-assembled swiss-army knife
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00:49<cwood>Presumably something deliberately multi-homed isn't default either, and the owner can always configure to their own liking.
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01:04<DDr>everything sems right, postfix still uses localhost.localdomain for helo
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01:15<DDr>Ok.. I realy ahve the hostname set and domain too for postfix, but it still sends or uses localhost.localdomain for helo i guess... anyone know the fix?
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01:44<ariel>is posible this?
01:44<ariel>ssh user@host sed -i s/string1/string2/ /dir/file.txt
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01:44<cwood>enclose the command in all the quotes that it needs.
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01:46<ariel>ssh user@host 'sed -i s/string1/string2/ /dir/file.txt'
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01:48<cwood>looks like it could work, try it and see... but maybe double quotes around the s/// too.
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02:06<Slydder>morning all
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02:49<desneedy>hello,
02:49<desneedy>I've unfortunately forgotten the root password,
02:50<desneedy>What can I do, please.
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02:50<fanto666>boot from installation CD/flashdisk
02:51<fanto666>use 'rescue' boot image and after executing shell in the environment executing 'passwd'
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02:53<simonrvn>!i forgot root's password
02:53<dpkg>1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
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02:53<simonrvn>desneedy: ^^^
02:53<desneedy>I hope you won't mind, I used xubuntu.
02:55<simonrvn>next time you should ask in the right channel. the process will work however anyway
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02:55<simonrvn>gl, have fun
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03:26<theodoor>hello, i have a little debian server problem
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03:27<doorntje>when ik login via SSH on this server, then hear i a tick and the server do a hard reboot
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03:28<doorntje>is this a swap problem? (i have 512mb swap)
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03:29<doorntje>i don't understand you?
03:29<fstab>sorry guys keys are really weird
03:30<doorntje>is there also a dutch debian channel, because my english is very bad
03:30<amphi>!nl
03:30<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
03:30<doorntje>dank je. thanx
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03:36<fstab>nned help i would like to install airsnort but come up short its not found: my command apt-get install airsnort and i also tried apt-get install air-snort
03:40<fstab>i will be on here for awhile :)
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03:59<fstab>!repo
03:59<dpkg>it has been said that repo is a repository (mirrors), where debian package archives are stored.
03:59<fstab>!repository
03:59<dpkg>methinks debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
04:00<fstab>!repository list
04:00<fstab>!repolist
04:00<fstab>!help
04:02<sep>!tell fstab about search
04:03<fstab>i am already privat with dpkg i found what i needed :)
04:06<weasel>!bot
04:06<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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04:10<fstab>no bots in #debian-eeepc would be helpful :)
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04:30<Slydder>http://www.linearpublishing.com/RhinoStory.html
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04:43<kurumin>bando de pau no cu
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05:08<mark76>Morning people
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05:09<mark76>What's debian-40r3?
05:09<mark76>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-10.iso
05:11<fstab>!debian-40r3
05:11<weasel>etch.
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05:12<fstab>alright i need to get some rest good night all
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05:12<mark76>Ah right
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05:13<mark76>What's the debian equivalent of Synaptic?
05:13<Torsten_W>synaptic
05:13<mark76>And the gui?
05:13<Torsten_W>synaptic is a gui
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05:14<mark76>Ah right
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05:14<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, debian is perfect
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05:14<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, it's like the most beautiful blonde from sweden
05:15<mark76>Can I use flash on debian?
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05:15<itsaideatmesoidid>yes
05:16<mark76>Gnash and swfmill are still rubbish
05:16<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, just go to the download page @ adobe's site
05:16<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, it is your choice
05:16<mark76>It's the only choice at the moment.
05:17<mark76>Sadly
05:17<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, were that true, neither "choices" would exist, excluding how functional they are
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05:17<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, take the issue up with adobe and microsoft's silverlight
05:18<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, and with the millions of mindless users who click it and use it and support it through their mindless use not even knowing/caring about free software
05:18<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, if the majority of the public wasn't so asleep/dumb, they would all use debian
05:18<mark76>Would help if the free version rendered properly
05:19<mark76>Or do they work differently on deb?
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05:19<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, would help if corporations didn't make things proprietary
05:19<mark76>I hear flash is being opened
05:19<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, but not completely
05:19<mark76>So that should help
05:20<itsaideatmesoidid>mark76, what would help is the users rejecting proprietary software
05:21<mark76>Indeed
05:21<padski>itsaideatmesoidid, corporate users have long been pretty savvy about that one.
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05:23<mark76>Anyone else here use RoX? :)
05:24<mark76>Or ROX
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05:25<Gekz>who would.
05:25<mark76>Me :p
05:25<mark76>It's my favourite file manager and DE
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05:27<themill>!anyone
05:27<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
05:28<mark76>!offtopic
05:28<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net
05:28<mark76>Oh look! 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people
05:28<mark76>I'm in off-topic! :-)
05:29<mark76>At least I think I am
05:30<itsaideatmesoidid>where are we really?
05:30<itsaideatmesoidid>we don't even know what we are, only what we have supposed us to be
05:30<mark76>According to that in off-topic. Not support
05:30<mark76>!support
05:30<dpkg><Katja_> what did one saggy boob say to the other? If we don't get some support around here, ppl will think we are nuts
05:31<mark76>Oh God. A bot with a sense of humour
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05:35<mark76>So. Where are we? Off-topic or support?
05:36<padski>mark76, this is the support channel
05:36<padski>#debian
05:36<mark76>Ah
05:36<mark76>Right
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05:37<mark76>Okay. I don't need support right now. I'm going to toddle off to OT
05:37<mark76>See you later
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05:40<karnovich>hi there, is it a good place for some iptables questions ?
05:40<mark76>If I close the tab in xchat will I actually leave this room?
05:40<sep>yup
05:40<weasel>there are no rooms.
05:40<mark76>Okay
05:40<mark76>Byeee
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05:40<padski>!ask
05:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
05:43<karnovich>i have a problem with the target DNAT in iptables ... if i want to dnat ip that are known by the gateway interface it works well , i mean i can DNAT 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.1.2 if eth0 and eth1 are in these subnet but if i want to redirect everything who have to go to www.google.fr to www.yahoo.com it doesn't work ... is it the standard comportment or may i have to probe another iptables modules for ?
05:44<karnovich>i usualy use rinetd or squidguard for but i'm sure that the netfilter can do some rewrite stuff, no ?
05:44<padski>karnovich, www.google.fr is a dns name ?
05:45<karnovich>padski ... it's an exemple ... i define my rules with ip ...
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05:46<padski>!iptables
05:46<dpkg>i heard iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450
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06:10<chandu_>I am trying to boot into my linux kernel 2.6.24 on one of my thin client
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06:11<chandu_> but the screen goes blank
06:11<chandu_>before loading the kernel
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06:12<chandu_>It gives the message .."Loading kernel ..Compressing .." and screen goes blank [ black]
06:12<chandu_>what may be the problem
06:12<karnovich>chandu : bad splash ?
06:12<karnovich>did you create an initrd with a splashscreen ?
06:12<chandu_>karnovich, yes
06:13<chandu_>karnovich, but splash loads after kernel decompresses and loads , right
06:15<karnovich>how did you compil your kernel ... from a working .config ?
06:15<karnovich>i mean if you put some init 1 at the end of your kernel sequence in your bootloader ... does it boot ?
06:16<karnovich>try without framebuffer
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06:17<karnovich>vesa=ask and chose something different than 0x3XX
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06:22<karnovich>chandu_ some news ?
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06:31<chandu_>karnovich, ok ..thank you
06:31<karnovich>chandu_ : so what it was ?
06:32<chandu_>karnovich, I changed vga ..it worked ..thank you
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06:35<karnovich>chandu_ oki thks to answered
06:36<n5|Chreek>hi guys, i am running an etch on 2.6.9-023stab044.16-enterprise, is there a way to obtain kernel header files for this old kernel?
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06:37<padski>!snapshots
06:37<dpkg>it has been said that snapshots is Archive which contains all debian packages, including already removed from debian official archives because of very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or some other reasons. Please visit http://snapshot.debian.net
06:38<n5|Chreek>thanks :)
06:38<padski>n5|Chreek, but that doesn't look like a debian kernel to me
06:38<n5|Chreek>padski: well, probably my hoster slightly modified it? it's a v-server
06:39<padski>n5|Chreek, suggest you talk to your hoster
06:39<n5|Chreek>padski: my hoster recommended me simply installing newer header files (2.6.18). however, i don't think that's a good solution, is it?
06:40<padski>!kernel headers
06:40<dpkg>http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0587.html
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07:13<padski_>what type code are people using for LVM PVs on dos partition tables these days ?
07:14<Cribozai>If anybody has compiled the nvidia-kernel-source package and got it working with 2.6.24-1-686 kernel, help yould be appreciated. I have tried googling it and i can't find any step-by-step instructions in the package.
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07:16<sep>Cribozai, at the time i did it i used the sid kernel and sid nvidia-kernel source that was 2.6.24-1 at the time. and i just m-a a-i nvidia
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07:18<Cribozai>sep: im using lenny and have quite week knowledge of how modules, drivers and the kernel all work together. Would be nice if you had the time to explain some of it.
07:18<gsimmons>padski_: It should usually be 8e, but this isn't a strict requirement for LVM2.
07:18<Cribozai>*weak
07:18<sep>Cribozai, do you have module-assistant installed ?
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07:19<Cribozai>now i do
07:20<sep>then run m-a a-i nvidia
07:20<Cribozai>i will give it a go, pm you if problems occurr, ok?
07:21<sep>just ask in channel
07:21<sep>you never know i might be away
07:22<Cribozai>right, thanks for this anyway.
07:24<Cribozai>Well, i got a problem straight on. When i try to get the package, it ignores it and complains about sources.list
07:24<Cribozai>i have lenny main contrib and non-free for both deb and deb-src
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07:27<sep>Cribozai, you have updated recently ?
07:28<Cribozai>i did a dist-upgrade for a couple of days ago, and my system is up to date
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07:29<sep>try m-a prepare
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07:32<sep>Cribozai, there seams not to be a nvidia-glx in testing. you might have to use kernel+ nvidia source + nvidia glx from sid.
07:32<Cribozai>im doing it now, it seems to work so far
07:33<Cribozai>never knew about m-a before, its alot easier than compiling and installing by hand. Thanks.
07:34<sep>m-a la give you a list of things it support
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07:34<sep>even if you can install the nvidia kerenl you need the nvidia-glx to use it. you might have to get that from sid since i dont think it's entered lenny yet
07:36<Cribozai>well, now for a reboot to see if it all went correctly
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07:39<sep>reboot !!!
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07:41<yaiba>hello every body
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07:44<padski_>"a reboot is a murder" ;-)
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07:50<rui>hi guys
07:50<rui>need some help with debian lenny
07:50<rui>xorg process consumes lots of cpu
07:51<rui>sometimes it reaches 70%
07:51<rui>it's the same in ubuntu 8.04 so I guess it must be a problem with xorg because with different drivers (ati & fglrx) it's the same
07:51<rui>does anyone have a idea about what it could be or how can I donwgrade xserver?
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07:53<Raging_Hog>rui: I've had similar problems sometimes. I think once xorg upgrade worked
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07:56<rui>i believe i'm using the latest version of it, so upgrade could not be the solution for the moment
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07:58<Cribozai>sep: won't work, since i need the kernel-legacy package for MX 420 and that wont compile with m-a
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08:11<BarryAllen>hi all
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08:17<karnovich>hi BarryAllen
08:18<BarryAllen>karnovich, :)
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08:24<yaiba>bonjour est ce que quelqu'un pourrait m'aider .. cela concerne la librairie QT
08:25<yaiba>hello is somebody can help me about lib QT
08:25<yaiba>?
08:25<azeem>yaiba: ask a specific question, and maybe somebody will help you
08:25<karnovich>yaiba : expose your problem
08:25<yaiba>Can i switch from 4.4 rc version to 4.3 on my debian lenny ?
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08:26<azeem>yaiba: why do you need that?
08:26<BarryAllen>yaiba, downgrade?
08:27<BarryAllen>yaiba, i never tried that.... sounds a little bit dangerous to me
08:27<yaiba>because i'm working on a project and my lenny upgrade qt lib , but on 4.4 rc version, my project don't work ..
08:27<azeem>yaiba: are you sure?
08:27<azeem>I thought Qt was backwards compatible
08:27<yaiba>sorry my english is a little rusty
08:27<obiZ>hello i need help :) i want to change ths hostname that i recive from my isp and i want to lookes like this mydomain.com how can i do this ???
08:27<BarryAllen>yaiba, where are you from?
08:27<yaiba>french
08:27<yaiba>france
08:27<karnovich>yaiba : oui d'ou ?
08:28<yaiba>lol grenoble
08:28<azeem>karnovich: please write in english
08:28<karnovich>i know
08:28<karnovich>sorry it's not so usual to see other french
08:28<karnovich>with the same rusty style
08:28<karnovich>:)
08:29<BarryAllen>obiZ, you mean the reverse dns resolution for your isp ip?
08:29<obiZ>yes :)
08:29<obiZ>i`ve install my dns
08:30<yaiba>so about my probleme it's just about a call method named mouseReleaseEvent in class QGraphicsItem
08:30<obiZ>and it`s working with my domain
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08:30<obiZ>can u help me with the reverse record ? i dont know why it`s not working i mean my hostname doesnt change
08:31<jesperj>When I do "shutdown -h now" on a box, it doesn't power off completely so I have to push the power button. Can I do something to make it power off completely?
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08:31<karnovich>jesperj : atx support in your kernel
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08:31<jesperj>atx... ok thanks. that isn't compiled in with the default kernels?
08:32<BarryAllen>obiZ, just you isp have authorit over reverse resolutions of their ips
08:32<obiZ>ooooo :((
08:32<jesperj>I used a netinstall cd from etch downloaded some week ago so it's probably the latest
08:32<jesperj>Wouldnt such a feature be wanted by most people and then be compiled in the kernel=
08:32<jesperj>?
08:33<gsimmons>!telll jesperj -about poweroff
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08:33<BarryAllen>obiZ, you just can ask they, to do that, i had a problem like that too, with my smtp server,... other smtpservers was refusing messages from my server why the dns reverse resolution doesnt mach my ddomains... i had to ask my telecom here in the brazil to "fix" my reverse resolution
08:33<jesperj>Thank you very much
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08:34<obiZ>ooo i dont think that they will do this for me :(
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08:34<obiZ>but what about irc bouncer ? do u know if i can use my domain for psybnc for example ?
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08:36<BarryAllen>obiZ, i have no idea, hehe
08:36<obiZ>does anybody here have expirience with irc bouncers ?
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08:36<the-dude>yeah
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08:36<the-dude>obiZ: perhaps try dyndns for your hostname
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08:37<obiZ>:) dyndns is like some kind of url redirection right ?
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08:38<salvin>obiZ, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_cloaks
08:40<obiZ>but i used my domain to conect to irc over psybnc
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08:40<obiZ>i used ./server mydomain.com 31337 :)
08:41<obiZ>and everything was ok but my host wasn`t mydomain.com
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08:41<obiZ>i want to use some vhost
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08:45<mark76>Okay, I'm back and on Debian
08:45<BarryAllen>wb
08:45<BarryAllen>:)
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08:46<mark76>Is there anyway to get roaming mode in the network manager?
08:48<jesperj>gsimmons: worked great. thanks.
08:48<gsimmons>jesperj: np
08:50<jesperj>makes remote-administration much easier than having to go power it off completely when I shut it down :)
08:51<mark76>I'm going to check that I can connect from the ROX-Desktop
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08:55<diakrufus>hola ciao
08:55<padski_>!es
08:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:55<padski_>!it
08:55<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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08:59<Guest2723>hello
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08:59<Guest2723>qualche italiano?
09:00<jesperj>!it :)
09:00<jesperj>!it
09:00<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
09:00<Guest2723>grade Jesper
09:00<Guest2723>grazie
09:01<jesperj>You're welcome
09:01<jesperj>good luck
09:01<Guest2723>i must talk in english here?
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09:01<jesperj>I think so yes
09:01<Guest2723>okay
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09:02<Guest2723>i must istall debian in a laptop without cd
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09:03<Guest2723>it's require a LAN installation, someone can help me?
09:03<Guest2723>Jesper you are my hope :)
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09:05<muep>Guest2723: does it have a floppy drive?
09:06<Frolic>Guest2723, supposing your are installing on a intel x86, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.it
09:06<muep>Guest2723: or can it boot from a usb drive?
09:06<Guest2723>no, and in the bootloader is impossible set usb
09:06<Guest2723>2 way
09:06<Guest2723>1 sd card
09:06<Frolic>Guest2723, in particular, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.it
09:07<Guest2723>2 lan inatall
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09:07<Guest2723>i'm tring the LAN installatio
09:07<jesperj>Syslog says: " Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" (and repeats up till block 7). hda is a cdrom drive. Does that mean the media or the cdrom is fuckedup?
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09:09<jesperj>I guess in worst case you could remove the harddrive and connect it to some other computer if it doesnt work
09:09<jesperj>, install on that harddrive and then put it back
09:09<jesperj>if you cant find a way to boot an installer through floppy (havnt tried it)
09:09<Guest2723>it haven't the floppy drive
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09:10<Guest2723>remove the HD....i haven't another pc for 2,5"....
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09:11<Guest2723>a quest...what is hostname?
09:11<jesperj>Guest2723: there are cheap 2.5 to 3.5 adapters available
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09:12<jesperj>hostname is name of the system
09:13<Guest2723>so...i can install a SO with another machine, but the hardware settings?
09:14<jesperj>that's tricky but it might work anyway to change it when it is installed.
09:14<jesperj>maybe it would be easiest to just get an external or internal cdromdrive if you cant get a floppyinstaller to boot
09:14<jesperj>or if there is a floppyinstaller, an external floppy
09:15<Guest2723>yes but there isn't optic unit here...and the usb is not able for the first boot
09:16<Guest2723>i will try to instal a server TFTP in this pc
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09:17<Guest2723>and if don't work i will buy a 2,5" adapter
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09:23<jesperj>good luck Guest2723
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09:24<Guest2723>thank you!
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09:26<Guest2723>there is someone skilled in TFTP server for a LAN installation of DEBIAN?
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09:26<padski_>Guest2723, PXE ? its like falling off of a log.
09:26<weasel>"skilled"
09:26<weasel>hah.
09:26<Guest2723>:-) yes pxe
09:27<padski_>!pxe
09:27<dpkg>[pxe] Preboot eXecution Environment, a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 Also ask about <gPXE>.
09:28<Guest2723>oh thank you
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09:33<apostols_>bzed, ping
09:34<Communist>is anyone here? :p
09:34<padski_>!ask
09:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:36<Communist>er. I swapped my harddrive into a newer computer and it's telling me x-server isn't configured properly... what do I do? :]
09:36<pleb2>ouch
09:36<padski_>!drxx
09:36<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>.
09:37<pleb2>Padski would swapping the hdd to a new computer not scare linux to death, with all the new hardware. I know MS would throw up a HAL error :P
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09:40<Communist>Hurra! It won't auto-detect my graphics card. *happy* :(
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09:41<Communist>well
09:41<Communist>vga port.
09:41<Communist>whatever
09:43<pleb2>poor X
09:43<pleb2>it has a hard life
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09:44<mark76>damn it. My resolution has dropped to 800 x 600
09:45<mark76>I feel like I'm back in the 90s
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09:46<mark76>Is there anyway to change my graphics card driver?
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09:47<Communist>:D I just randomly pressed buttons during config. That was well fun.
09:49<Communist>Hurra! It didn't work.
09:49<Communist>:)
09:49<jesperj>Communist: kindof stupid also. If you don't want to learn then Linux is the wrong OS for you.
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09:50<Communist>I was kidding, get a sense of humour.
09:50<jesperj>It wasn't obvious that you were joking.
09:51<Communist>That's not my problem.
09:51<pleb2>mark76: what Graphics card do you have?
09:51<pleb2>mark76: is this a fresh install, I imagine it may be your X monitor setup thats wrong
09:52<jesperj>Communist: If you don't care about other people's problems, then why should we help you?
09:54<Communist>Why are you acting like a two year-old? You haven't helped, all you've done is decided to have a bitch at me because I made a silly joke you didn't find obvious enough.
09:54<Communist>Back off, please.
09:54<azeem>Communist: so what's your actual question?
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09:55<Communist>I already asked it. I got my answer, and now I'm working on the information I received to try and fix my problem.
09:55<azeem>fine then
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09:57<schlurchz>Hi folks. I've no success debootstrapping a Sid system here. Installing libc6 fails, see here: http://paste.debian.net/2037. Anyone a clue what these error messages want to tell me?
09:58<azeem>schlurchz: debootstrap etch and dist-upgrade
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09:58<schlurchz>azeem: hmm, I see that might work, but do you have an idea why it breaks with sid?
09:59<azeem>because breaks sometimes?
09:59<azeem>+sid
09:59<schlurchz>s/Sid system/Sid chroot/, btw
09:59<schlurchz>My *guess* is that it's related to the perl transition, but it's really just a guess.
10:00<azeem>could also be
10:01<themill>schlurchz: it's quite common that you can't actually do a fresh sid install/chroot but a lenny/sid mix (or sid/old-sid mix) is possible.
10:01<schlurchz>azeem: did you have a look at the paste?
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10:02<schlurchz>themill: well, I guess such mixing of distributions would require some tweaking with pbuilder...
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10:03<Communist>Eh, it's still not working. Any ideas>
10:03<schlurchz>anyway, I'll go the dist-upgrade route. Thanks.
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10:04<themill>schlurchz: Not really. If you do a lenny install into the chroot, then edit the sources to point to sid and do a dist-upgrade. Some packages will be uninstallable and remain at lenny while others will be upgraded to sid.
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10:04<themill>bah
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10:05<Communist>I'm getting (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes. (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration... in Xserver
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10:06<azeem>Communist: what resolutions did you select?
10:06<Communist>basic ones: 640, 800 & 1024
10:06<azeem>Communist: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
10:06<azeem>!pastebin
10:06<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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10:07<Communist>er, how? Not used the command-line since september :o)
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10:08<azeem>Communist: how do you irc right now?
10:08<azeem>from a different box?
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10:08<Communist>Yeah
10:08<HaMMiE>hi
10:08<azeem>via ssh?
10:08<Communist>No, windows.. mIRC
10:08<Communist>;)
10:08<azeem>Communist: so you're not connected to the Linux box?
10:09<Communist>It's sitting next to me
10:09<azeem>that's not answering my question
10:09<Communist>nevermind, hold on.
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10:11<ant_>my laptop turned itself off while i went to the bathroom...
10:11<ant_>how odd
10:12<Communist>http://pastebin.ca/1004993
10:12<Communist>er
10:12<Communist>think that's it
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10:13<azeem>Communist: are you sure the BusID is correct? It's usually safer to just leave that field blank
10:14<azeem>Communist: so maybe run dpkg-reconfigure again, set it to blank, and hit enter on all other questions
10:14<Communist>I'll give it a shot
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10:14<azeem>Communist: also, default depth might be incompatbile with vesa
10:14<azeem>try 8 maybe
10:14<Communist>okay, cheers
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10:15<azeem>Communist: just wondering, which graphics cards do you have?
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10:17<Communist>I don't have a graphics card in there at the moment, just the port on the motherboard. Chucked the box together about an hour ago...
10:17<Communist>It kind-of worked, I have a gui now but the colour depth is way off
10:17<azeem>eh??
10:17<azeem>ah
10:17<azeem>Communist: what does "lspci | grep VGA" say?
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10:18<azeem>Communist: try 16 then, instead of 8
10:18<Communist>What's lspci..?
10:19<azeem>a command
10:19<BarryAllen>wow!
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10:29<Communist>Woo! It works again! Thanks much azeem :]
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10:29<azeem>Communist: really, vesa is just a band-aid
10:29<AsterX>tipicaly, what should system hostname look like? "hostname" or "hostname.domain.com" ???
10:30<azeem>hostname
10:30<Communist>Ah well, it's not blowing anything up so it'll do :)
10:30<AsterX>can I set it to whatever I want
10:30<azeem>AsterX: depends on the situation
10:30<azeem>AsterX: there's a set of invalid chars for hostnames, though
10:31<AsterX>azeem, I mean, DNS record vise
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10:31<AsterX>I haVE A *.DOMAIN.COM REDIRECTING TO MY HOSTS ip is that enugh? (sorry oyt capslock)
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10:33<jesperj>Does the latest Etch Netinstall CD provide e2fsck as a tool to use in the shell?
10:33<padski_>!hostname
10:33<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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10:35<AsterX>padski_, I'm trying to figutr out if /etc/hostname should contain just "hostname" or "hostname.domain.com"
10:36<petemc>just the shortname
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10:36<petemc>if your machine is called foo.bar.com , you should just have foo in there
10:38<AsterX>and 206.34.123.124 foo.bar.com foo <- in etc/hosts ?
10:38<azeem>16:33 < petemc> if your machine is called foo.bar.com , you should just have foo in there
10:38<petemc>yup
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10:39<AsterX>how do I forcew machine to use those settings once I've made changes to /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname ?
10:40<petemc>changes to /etc/hosts should be picked up right away, /etc/hostname seems to be set on boot
10:40<Communist>Okay, my next question is about ftp. I already have it set up and connect and yaddaya, but want a seperate username to connect to a directory on say, the desktop, and that directory becomes the root for that ftp user...
10:40<padski_>see /etc/init.d/hostname.sh
10:41<AsterX>petemc, last Question: so /etc/hostname will have foo in it only, but if I ran for example hostname command I would write "hostname foo.bar.com" ?
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10:41<petemc>AsterX: i dont follow you
10:42<AsterX>I can set host by
10:42<AsterX>hostname foo.bar.com <- right?
10:42<petemc>i always just edit those files..
10:42<azeem>AsterX: didn't we establish the hostname is foo?
10:42<AsterX>yes
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10:43<azeem>so why do you want to set it to foo.bar.com?
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10:44<AsterX>azeem, I got little confused
10:44<curtis>how do i install halo trial?
10:44<petemc>buy an xbox 360
10:44<AsterX>I think I have set everything right, is therea way to test all
10:44<petemc>hostname -f
10:45<curtis>hello anyone?
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10:45<curtis>know how to install it?
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10:46<Communist>so no one knows about ftp? :]
10:46<AsterX>I didnt know you could install hallo on debian...
10:46<AsterX>halo///
10:46<the-dude>me neither /o\
10:47<petemc>you can install lots of windows games with wine
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10:47<AsterX>even those that use directx?
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10:48<petemc>ive never tried myself, but it wouldnt be much good if it didnt
10:48<petemc>theres a paid for version of wine that supports a lot too, cant recall the name
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10:48<AsterX>petemc, I gave wine a try hile agom for dreamweaver, hotoshop, etc... didnt work
10:49<AsterX>petemc, crossover ?
10:49<petemc>perhaps
10:49<petemc>cedega
10:49<ranix>wine is terrible
10:50<ranix>so is cedega
10:50<petemc>i disagree
10:50<petemc>wine is pretty damn good
10:50<petemc>for what it does..
10:50<ranix>the wine project is generally damaging
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10:51<AsterX>are there alternatives?
10:51<padski_>ranix, wine is inevitable
10:51<petemc> "just use free software"
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10:51<petemc>blah blah
10:51<ranix>there are two alternatives to using wine
10:51<Skrat>Hihi
10:51<ranix>"just use free software"
10:51<ranix>and "have a windows computer and pirate the software"
10:51<AsterX>lol
10:51<ranix>the former is the better of the two
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10:52<petemc>you missed out the option actually paying for it
10:52<Simon_42>paying for bad software?
10:52<padski_>vm type emulation has some advantages over wine-style api reimplementation
10:52<azeem>Communist: look into ftp/chroot
10:52<ranix>both are better than encouraging developers to continue to support an obsolete OS and ignore linux
10:52<petemc>soapbox time!
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10:53<ranix>wine and ndiswrapper can die in a ditch
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10:53<Communist>thanks azeem.
10:56<padski_>ranix, it is not about the code, it is about people. wine is about bringing freedom to win32 and it should be celebrated.
10:57<cahoot>freedom as in a confined space
10:57<padski_>cahoot, free-range windows users
10:57<Communist>like hens?
10:57<craigevil>crossover games works a little better than plain wine but it costs money, better to just not use any windows apps
10:57<cahoot>sheep?
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10:58<Communist>yes please
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11:00<ffm>Is it a bad idea to install a "unstable" package onto a lenny system? (It is a python library, python-django, and the dependancies are met)
11:01<AsterX>guys I'm sending emails from my server, where I recently was ale to figure out how to set host properly... When I look at the headers in the sent email, I see message id ends with localhost.localdoman - is that ok?
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11:02<padski_>!testing
11:02<dpkg>it has been said that testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages
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11:02<petemc>AsterX: exim?
11:02<AsterX>postfix
11:02<padski_>AsterX, it got that before the change I woudl guess
11:03<AsterX>probably
11:03<AsterX>hod do I fix it?
11:03<padski_>AsterX, reload, maybe even a restart
11:03<AsterX>it's a vps... not sure it's possile
11:04<AsterX>reload?
11:04<AsterX>(sorry newb here)
11:04<padski_>AsterX, /etc/init.d/postfix
11:04<AsterX># /etc/init.d/postfix reload <-right?
11:05<padski_>AsterX, that sort of thing, yes.
11:06<AsterX>ok, did it. resent and it's the same
11:06<padski_>AsterX, restart will certainly do it
11:06<AsterX>can I show you guys the headers?
11:06<padski_>AsterX, did you check /etc/mailname ?
11:07<ffm>padski_: I'm running testing, and thers a unstable package that meets the criteria in the FAQ the bot cited.
11:07<ffm>padski_: How do I ask for it to be moved to testing?
11:07<AsterX>it's set to foo.bar.com
11:07<AsterX>FQD in other words
11:07<AsterX>just that in that filke
11:07<AsterX>file*
11:07<padski_>ffm, there is a way to check why it hasn't
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11:07<ffm>padski_: How?
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11:09<padski_>ffm, see testing status for that package on http://packages.qa.debian.org (I'm sure there's something you can say to the bot also ...)
11:09<mysupper_>hello guys
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11:11<AsterX>like... DO theese headers look ok to you: http://pastebin.ca/1005035
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11:11<ffm>padski_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/python-django.html doesn't seem too descriptice, there are only 4 bugs, and all m&w
11:12<padski_>AsterX, you have mydomain.com? :-)
11:12<AsterX>no I "search and replaced it" before posting
11:13<padski_>AsterX, and you have a PTR
11:13<AsterX>what is PTR?
11:13<padski_>!ptr
11:13<dpkg>somebody said ptr was pointer PTR is the type of DNS record which maps ip addresses to names (reverse DNS)
11:14<AsterX>yes
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11:14<padski_>ffm, its in testing
11:14<AsterX>I have PTR
11:14<ffm>padski_: Not that version.
11:14<ffm>padski_: I need 0.97~svn
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11:15<padski_>ffm, that is in experimental
11:15<padski_>!experimental
11:15<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
11:15<padski_>ffm, but it is really not that bad :-) be aware that if it breaks you get to keep the pieces.
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11:16<AsterX>so any ideas?
11:16<ffm>padski_: So, why is it there, may I ask?
11:16<padski_>AsterX, about what ?
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11:17<padski_>ffm, why is what where ?
11:17<AsterX>If the headers I posted are OK
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11:17<Guest2723>someone know how the right command of nmap for know all hostname and ip of a lan?
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11:17<ffm>padski_: Why is that version in expiremental, and should I probably not install it?
11:17<padski_>AsterX, it came from the loopback, yes ? and you have 127.0.0.1 loopback.localdomain in your /etc/hosts ?
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11:18<ffm>padski_: I'm a bit scared by "untrustworthy/dangerous"
11:19<padski_>ffm, It is an svn snapshot
11:19<AsterX>padski_, sorry I dont know what's loopback, but I do have localhost.localdomain in hosts
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11:21<padski_>AsterX, yeah, that's what I meant. if you ask me that setting is wrong, but the presence of that kind of thing is fine when the mail has really been received on the loopback.
11:21<ffm>padski_: yes... but it works wel...
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11:21<ffm>*welll
11:21<ffm>*well
11:21<neale>I just finished an in-place migration from Ubuntu 7.10 to Debian Stable.
11:22<neale>I feel like I'm home again.
11:22<less>Was the migration easy?
11:22<padski_>AsterX, fwiw I have the same thing some places :-)
11:22<ffm>neale: in-place?
11:22<ffm>neale: just replace apt source list?
11:22<AsterX>could it be a reon why some mail would be blocked?
11:23<less>neale, was the migration easy?
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11:23<neale>ffm: yeah, in-place. Only had to reboot once to move to sysvinit
11:23<neale>less: it was not easy.
11:24<less>ok
11:24<ffm>I take it there's a genereal dislike for ubuntu here...
11:24<neale>less: it became easier after I had figured out aptitude's kick-butt conflict resolution mechanism
11:24<less>ok
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11:24<neale>ffm: I don't dislike Ubuntu. I still recommend it to all my Windows friends.
11:24<neale>I just like Debian better
11:24<cahoot>ffm: merely off topic
11:24<neale>But, I just joined :)
11:24<less>ffm: there's another channel, #ubuntu, for support with ubuntu.
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11:25<ffm>less: I realize that.
11:25<suiside>ffm: you propably don't want to move to unstable for a single(!) package, backporting makes more sence in case you really, really need that specific version
11:25<less>ok
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11:25<neale>ffm: I have testing added but have pinned all packages to stable
11:25<ffm>I use both distros. For me, servers == debian, desktops == ubuntu
11:25<ffm>suiside: and backports work how...
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11:26<less>Because of the other more specific channel and the traffic we face here, we don't support ubuntu on #debian.
11:26<ffm>less: Again, I realize that.
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11:26<less>Good.
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11:27<less>If anyone here dislikes ubutnu I wouldn't know.
11:27<less>Ubuntu even...
11:27<suiside>!backports
11:27<dpkg>it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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11:27<ffm>!backport cabeat
11:28<ffm>!backport caveat
11:28<dpkg>Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific backports.
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11:28<neale>pins FTW
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11:29<ffm>Uh, I really don't need a backport, as all the deps are already satisfied.
11:29<ffm>However, I feel uncomfortable about installing an "expiremental" package.
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11:30<neale>you could always compile from upstream source
11:31<padski_>ffm, "experimental" is not necessarily a description of the quality of the packaging or the software. it is the name of a repo.
11:31<padski_>ffm, often it is a sign that the maintainer cares.
11:31<ffm>padski_: is it possible to install just a single package from the repo, and not the whole thing? (yet still get updates for said package)
11:32<zined>Great work guys, i just love debian!
11:32<padski_>!apt-pinning
11:32<dpkg>apt-pinning is, like, read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian
11:32<personman>here, here zined
11:32<AsterX>quick newb question: is it ok to remove 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost from /etc/hosts ?
11:32<personman>you guys are my heros...group hug!
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11:33<personman>or not...
11:33<personman>:b
11:33<padski_>!localdomain
11:33<dpkg>rumour has it, localdomain is a hack which you should really remove from /etc/hosts, or at the very least, move it to the right of 'localhost'. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/linux.debian.devel/browse_thread/thread/55eb94f315d023ed/749bf59c19a0b671?q=localhost.localdomain&
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11:36<neale>AsterX: no
11:36<AsterX>padski_ so I should not remove it then
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11:36<neale>AsterX: absolutely do not remove that entry
11:37<neale>AsterX: you might want to move localhost.localdomain to be after localhost on that line
11:37<neale>but for the love of all things great and small do not remove localhost
11:37<Communist>blaahhh. GPROFTPD won't activate itself. *annoyed*
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11:59<Communist>... anyone here know how to get pure-ftpd going?
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12:00<cahoot>look if it's accessed via inetd
12:00<Communist>it is.
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12:01<Communist>I tried manually starting it but I couldn't connect to it from a networked PC, and before I reinstalled it I was able to connect.
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12:02<neale>well I solved my MIT-SCREEN-SAVER problem without having to actually pose a question
12:02<neale>so thanks for nothing!
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12:02<neale>:D
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12:02<Communist>xD
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12:03<Communist>Does the silence mean no one knows?
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12:07<padski_>!patience
12:07<dpkg>well, patience is The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
12:08<cahoot>and in some case more of dilettants than volunteers
12:08<johns>is http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwareLicensing the best place to point to for discussion of firmware in the kernel, or is there a more up-to-date page that discusses plans for lenny?
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12:14<less>Communist: in my experience, if anyone knows (and is around), they will chime in.
12:16<less>So if you do an ftp localhost, what happens? Does the ftpd log anything? Is the firewall stopping port 21, or port 20?
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12:18<Communist>I was just fiddling with it and re-installed and it gave me an error when I tried to start it: 'IPv6 getaddrinfo 'localhost' error: No address associated with hostname.'
12:19<less>oic
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12:19<Communist>but eh, it works now
12:19<Communist>I don't know what it's smoking.
12:19<Communist>;)
12:19<less>It might have been complaining about /etc/hosts then.
12:19<less>Oh, ok. ;-)
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12:19<Communist>My lesson for today is not to use a package manager to install things.
12:19<cahoot>timing out the search for ipv6 adress?
12:20<less>That would not be a good lesson on the Debian platform, I'd say.
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12:20<padski_>Communist, you brought yuor soldering iron ?
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12:20<Communist>copper pipe and a mallet
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12:24<less>My guess, Communist, is that you did something wrong with your /etc/hosts file.
12:24<less>But somehow ikt got corrected.
12:24<less>s/k//
12:25<Communist>I haven't touched it...
12:25<less>OK, then you changed your ftpd.conf file to not use IPv6?
12:26<less>Otherwise, how could it all of a sudden start working? ;-)
12:26<Communist>nope... I just don't have IPv6 set up, apparently. Livin' it in IPv4.
12:26<less>Same here.
12:27<less>Anyhow, if it works now, it works now. ;-)
12:28<Communist>exactly :D
12:28<less>Though I tend to think that scp/sftp may be a better choice that plain old ftp.
12:28<Communist>eh, too lazy ;)
12:28<less>s/that/than/
12:28<less>Happens. ;-)
12:28<Communist>heh.
12:29<less>Depends on the clients, though. Windows users would have to install Winscp.
12:29<Communist>My next task is to set up networking and get the four external HDDs I have connected to my Debian server networked to windows... which kind of works but it insists for a username/password... of which I don't know.
12:29<less>scp is pretty native on unix platforms.
12:30<less>Samba?
12:30<less>It's a bit hard to set up sometimes, but when it works it works.
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12:31<Communist>gimmie a few minutes and I'll give it a go
12:31<less>kewl
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12:36<phillipsjk>less: I don't think that mc has scp support. It can probably be added though. (for wired LAN, I don't care)
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12:36<less>Midnight Commander huh? I wouldn't know...
12:37<less>It should, I think.
12:38<less>Haven't used MC for ages, somehow.
12:38<fxiny>i use it all day long
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12:38<less>kewl
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12:39<fxiny>fluxbox+wmii+mc are ok
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12:40<less>As long as privacy is not an issue, there's not all that much wrong with using ftp I suppose.
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12:41<Communist>I can think of something wrong about proftpd... :D
12:41<less>If it's ok to transmit username and password in the clear over the wire.
12:41<fxiny>ftp ? vsftp + lftp . duplicity takes care of privacy
12:41<padski_>less, I worked at a place once where ftp was the intranet.
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12:42<less>ok
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12:42<fxiny>see duplicity
12:43<less>rsync is good.
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12:43<less>And so is GnuPG. ;-)
12:43<phillipsjk>I (re)dicovered the Internet Explorer bug where the FTP passwords are save in the history :P
12:43<fxiny>heheeh
12:45<Communist>grr.
12:47<Communist>...
12:47<Communist>One minute it works the next it doesn't. Love it.
12:47<fxiny>must be firebug :P
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12:50<Communist>Okay, so I've got the FTP set up, and I'm trying to remotely overwrite a file on the server but it keeps saying 'Permission denied' - I tried changing the folder permissions to 777 but that didn't work..
12:50<Communist>oh
12:50<Communist>wait
12:50<Communist>well that's embarrassing.
12:50<Communist>:\
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12:51<less>It takes a while for such access permiasions to propagate. ;-)
12:51<less>In an ftp situation.
12:52<Communist>even over an office network?
12:52<less>It's not a network issue.
12:53<Communist>eh..
12:53<phillipsjk>less probably means you have to re-read the directory
12:53<fxiny>ftp galore : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/594
12:53<less>Yes phillipsjk.
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12:56<fxiny>when i'm bored and short of games to play , i always browse to www.debian-administration.org ;)
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12:56<AsterX>Quick question: In order to setup PTR, should I use hostname.domain.com or domain.com onkly for reverse dns lookup?
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12:58<less>Reverse is about IP addresses, not about domain names.
12:58<Lixium>good evenig
12:59<less>So frankly, I don't undersftand your questoion, AsterX.
12:59<Lixium>i need help to vnc
12:59<bcochofel>I'm trying to config my etch box to authenticate on an LDAP server
12:59<Lixium>vnc dont'work in my computer
12:59<AsterX>less, reverse lookup must find domain when you lookuop ip right?
12:59<bcochofel>I've read some articles and ones tell to put nsswitch.conf with passwd: compat ldap and others file ldap
12:59<less>Sure AsterX.
12:59<Lixium>i french africa my english is not good
13:00<bcochofel>What's the diff between the two?
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13:00<AsterX>less, and that should not be host.domain.com, just domain.com?
13:00<less>Please define "that" first.
13:01<AsterX>if you lookup some ip, should it show you domain.com or host.domain.com FQD?
13:01<Lixium>tank
13:01<Lixium>je vais allez chez debian-fr
13:01<less>If my IP is 192.168.1.1, I just give that IP my most specific FQDN (fully qualified domain name) in my reverse zone files.
13:01<bzed>apostols_: pong
13:01<less>!fr
13:01<dpkg>[fr] Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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13:02<AsterX>less, my IP does not start with 192.. it's 209
13:02<Lixium>merci <dpkg>
13:02<bzed>apostols_: didn't get anything from you yet
13:02<less>dig -x 192.168.1.1 should give my FQDN.
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13:03<Lixium><dpkg>je voulait de l'aide pour j'ai fait sudo apt-get install vncserver mais je ne vois pas l'icone null part
13:03<Communist>Damnit! :\ It won't let me overwrite files. It'll let me do everything else, just not that.
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13:05<Lixium><dpkg>il ya personne
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13:06<phillipsjk>Lixium, dpkg est une robot.
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13:06<Lixium><phillipsjk>houlala rire*
13:07<Lixium><phillipsjk>toi tu peut m'aidez
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13:08<zarchne>Communist: to overwrite a file you have to have write permission on the file.
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13:09<AsterX>I dont have dig installed how would I install it?
13:09<fxiny>dnsutils
13:10<phillipsjk>Litium is asking why he/she can't see any icons for the vncserver package he/she installed.
13:10<Communist>the directories are 777'd and I have set up in oproftpd overwrite permissions, but it's not working... It's impossible to go through every file and individually set permissions :
13:10<Communist>:\
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13:13<zarchne>phillipsjk: Icons?
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13:14<Communist>would binary/ascii mode make a difference?
13:14<zarchne>phillipsjk: I use vnc all the time, but I set up everything on the command line...
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13:16<phillipsjk>zarchne, just summarising Lixium's question.
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13:17<Lixium><Communist>thank you dnsutils is installed
13:19<Lixium><Communist>it'is posible pour ubuntu to say vnc icon
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13:21<Lixium><Communist>please say my error lo
13:21<phillipsjk>Lixium: Communist a demande un question apprepos FTP.
13:22<Lixium>02/05/08 16:03:59 Xvnc version 3.3.7 - built Dec 30 2006 12:50:35
13:22<Lixium>02/05/08 16:03:59 Copyright (C) 2002-2003 RealVNC Ltd.
13:22<Lixium>02/05/08 16:03:59 Copyright (C) 1994-2000 AT&T Laboratories Cambridge.
13:22<Lixium>02/05/08 16:03:59 All Rights Reserved.
13:22<Lixium>02/05/08 16:03:59 See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC
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13:23<jesperj>heh
13:23<simonrvn>d'oh
13:23<AsterX>in all instructions I have seen that hosts is setup to have ip start with 192. <- that's a lan ip right?
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13:24<simonrvn>yes, a non-routable
13:24<AsterX>simonrvn, was that an answer to my q?
13:25<simonrvn>see any other question present ATM? :)
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13:25<AsterX>ok
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13:25<AsterX>I have put a real ip in there that starts with 209
13:25<AsterX>how do I find out the 192 ip?
13:26<AsterX>I'm probaly not asking the question right, but am little confused hre
13:28<AsterX>can someone help me clear this?
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13:30<padski_>rfc1918
13:30<padski_>!rfc1918
13:30<dpkg>i guess rfc1918 is Address Allocation for Private Internets. Y. Rekhter, B. Moskowitz, D. Karrenberg, G. J. de Groot & E. Lear. February 1996. (Format: TXT=22270 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC1627, RFC1597) (Also BCP0005) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE)
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13:30<padski_>AsterX, is the 209.x.x.x ip yours ??
13:31<zengen>Just installed Lenny and we have two users on the machine. Whenever switching from user 2 to user 1 X restarts. Not using Compiz. This is a problem I had with Ubuntu, also, and was never able to get fixed.
13:31<AsterX>padski_, well I am renting VPS so I guess it is mine
13:32<padski_>AsterX, that's fine then. private ips are for the poor :-)
13:32<zengen>Well, it's a problem I had with ubuntu-7.10, it never happened with 8.04.
13:33<AsterX>How else could it have been?
13:33<AsterX>padski_, how is it possile not to have private ip?
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13:34<AsterX>padski_, I have DNS A record domainname.com to 209.x.x.x and in hosts file "209.x.x.x host.domainname.com host"
13:34<AsterX>is this right?
13:36<simonrvn>that's ok. you also need a PTR record however
13:36<AsterX>I have PTR too
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13:37<simonrvn>ok
13:37<AsterX>I didnt do it myself but hosting provider did
13:37<AsterX>I asked them to point 209.x.x.x to mydomain.com
13:37<AsterX>should I have asked for host.mydomain.com?
13:38<simonrvn>well, what is it you want? the sub-dom won't matter much
13:38<padski_>AsterX, it is fine to have an A record for example.com if you like
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13:38<AsterX>well... I just dont know if I have a problem on my server or nor
13:39<AsterX>can I show you my mail headers?
13:40<AsterX>http://pastebin.ca/1005208
13:41<AsterX>notice in one of the "received"t there's localhost.localdomain all ove the place
13:41<AsterX>and message id ends by "localhost.localdomain"
13:42<AsterX>I have been struggling for 4 days.. would really appreciate some help
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13:43<simonrvn>do you see the ip address it's coming from?
13:43<simonrvn>localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
13:44<AsterX>yes
13:44<AsterX>Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
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13:46<AsterX>simonrvn, so?
13:46<AsterX>simonrvn, it isnt right is it?
13:46<simonrvn>that's not your 209. ip, obviously. check your postfix and set it up accordingly
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13:48<AsterX>so it's no more the hosts or hostfile isue right?
13:48<AsterX>simonrvn, are you sure it's the postfix issue, not hosts/hostfile ?
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13:50<simonrvn>make it use your external ip and/or hostname
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13:50<padski_>why ?
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13:52<AsterX>how the hack do I do that?
13:53<padski_>AsterX, is it saying EHLO localhost.localdomain ?
13:53<padski_>no ...
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13:53<padski_>AsterX, anyways. it is better if it matches the PTR.
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13:55<AsterX>so what DO I DO to not have localhost.localdomain appear any more?
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13:55<pharm>A friend (honest!) just dist-upgraded his sid & the perl upgrade removed half his packages. Didn't there used to be an archive of all the Debian package releases? Can anyone point me to where he might get the previous perl version debs from?
13:56<simonrvn>!adn
13:56<dpkg>it has been said that adn is AcidoDexosirriboNucleico
13:56<simonrvn>bah
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13:56<fxiny>Desossi*
13:56<simonrvn>!ado
13:56<dpkg>Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/
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14:00<pharm>Oh well.
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14:01<Villarroel>Hi!
14:01<simonrvn>^^^
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14:02<AsterX>simonrvn, is it normal that headers have localhost.localdomain ?
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14:03<simonrvn>pharm: this is what i set up to get old stuff: in sources.list: deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool XXXXX (XXXXX == the source package). then install the old thing with something easier to manage the packages like aptitude to install the selected version
14:03<simonrvn>AsterX: yes, when you're using the localhost ip
14:05<AsterX>dont email servers reject those mail?
14:06<AsterX>simonrvn, I'm not using anything spesificly, just trying to send mail that wil;l be delivered....
14:06<simonrvn>that won't prevent it being delivered, just rather generic and ugly
14:07<bcochofel>Anyone here using Ion window manager? I wan't to try it but I need some configuration examples
14:07<simonrvn>"want". try in /usr/share/doc/ion or ion3
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14:08<Dj_Ha>Hello
14:08<bcochofel>simonrvn: thx for the "want"
14:08<simonrvn>np
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14:09<simonrvn>the apostrophe means that the word is really 2 words, and has been shortened to one. like "can't" is "can not".
14:09<Dj_Ha>I have a problem with keyboard, usually when I press for example 'space' key and hold it, it repeats, but now only one space appears
14:09<simonrvn>or "won't" is "will not"
14:09<Dj_Ha>I know, that reboot will fix it
14:09<simonrvn>!reboot
14:09<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
14:09<bcochofel>Ion doesn't exist in etch repo?
14:10<simonrvn>i think it does. sec
14:10<simonrvn>!info ion3 etch
14:10<simonrvn>!info ion etch
14:10<fxiny>ion2
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14:10<simonrvn>hm, guess not. you're right
14:11<bcochofel>simonrvn: I also have backports but still nothing
14:12<fxiny>yeahh
14:12*phillipsjk reboots every morning to save power
14:12<AsterX>simonrvn, how can I change setting in postfix or debian so that localhost.localdomain does not show up? and the sender is used ?
14:12<fxiny>ion2 or wmii/dwm . unofficial xmonad are on the net
14:13<pharm>simonrvn: Ah ha! snapshot.debian.net -- that's what I was trying to remember...
14:13<pharm>Thanks...
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14:13<bcochofel>fxiny, simonrvn : ok, I was doing apt-cache search. It is in the bpo, under synaptic appears
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14:14<fxiny>bpo ? are you sure ? i think is the official ion2
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14:15<fxiny>official ion2 works fine on etch
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14:15<bcochofel>fxiny: well, I'm not sure but appears on my synaptic
14:15<bcochofel>fxiny: have you tried awesome?
14:16<bcochofel>I believe awesome is more easier to config
14:16<bcochofel>I not a lua guy
14:16<fxiny>bcochofel: not yet . i herd of it. i am impressed by xmonad , using wmii atm
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14:16<fxiny>heard*
14:16<bcochofel>xmonad, atm? ok, more to install
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14:17<fxiny>xmonad is is sid
14:17<bcochofel>atm? is it tilled also?
14:18<fxiny>yes : a better algo for windows positioning
14:18<fxiny>and more
14:18<bcochofel>but ion is the most wnated to work only with keys, right?
14:18<fxiny>it does xinerama
14:18<bcochofel>atm is on etch?
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14:19<fxiny>bcochofel: wmii is more user friendly
14:19<fxiny>therer are unofficial etch backports around if you want to see it on etch
14:19<bcochofel>ok, xmonad is on bpo
14:20<fxiny>wmii can't do xinerama . xmonad can
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14:20<bcochofel>my problem is learn another set of key binds
14:20<bcochofel>I use fluxbox
14:20<fxiny>start with wmii then .
14:20<bcochofel>with tilda
14:20<fxiny>i use flux and wmii
14:21<fxiny>i set up all flux keys like wmii
14:21<bcochofel>but since tilda can't name the tabs gets a mess
14:21<jun>hello .. I come from china
14:21<bcochofel>fxiny: but have you tried ion2?
14:21<fxiny>bcochofel: yes
14:21<fxiny>is ok
14:21<fxiny>i prefere wmii
14:22<bcochofel>is it hard to handle menus for all those wm?
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14:22<Aleric>All my desktop icons have disappeared :/
14:22<fxiny>i don't have any icons
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14:23<fxiny>bcochofel: use dmenu
14:23<jun>新建个用户
14:23<Aleric>I use gnome. I move the ~/Desktop directory away for a moment, and then back - it still has the same contents. But all icons disappeared and didn't come back :/
14:23<Dj_Ha>cool, I can see chinese symbols
14:23<Dj_Ha>
14:24<jun>haha...
14:24<fxiny>what about tibetan symbols ?
14:24<Aleric>
14:24<fxiny>eh ?
14:24<jun>no...china hangzhou
14:25<Aleric>ok, screw the icons... I never use them either.
14:25<bcochofel>jun: how can you do that with your key? is it like ~6000 keys?!
14:25<bcochofel>:)
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14:25<bcochofel>jun: just kidding
14:26<Aleric>bcochofel: It's going to take an hour for him to find the keys to answer that question.
14:26<bcochofel>right
14:26<fxiny>kde and gnome are too old : xmonad is more futuristic
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14:26<bcochofel>kde and gnome are like explorer on M$... A mess
14:27<jun>you can use other fvwm
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14:27<zarchne>Aleric: restart nautilus?
14:27<jun>i am no kidding
14:28<Aleric>zarchne: I didn't even knew it was running...
14:28<zarchne>The desktop icons are generated by a file manager.
14:28<Dj_Ha>how can I execute file with *.py extention?
14:29<jun>I english very badly
14:29<bcochofel>Dj_Ha: python
14:29<Aleric>zarchne: Thanks! I killed the running nautilus and now they are back.
14:29<Dj_Ha>yes, I see python on the icon
14:29<jun>u can install python
14:29<zarchne>Dj_Ha: Maybe need more context.
14:29<bcochofel>Dj_Ha: python test.py
14:30<AsterX>Any mail gurus here?
14:30<zarchne>(no, wait, I told them on -fr I was leaving. Must leave.)
14:30<bcochofel>Dj_Ha: read the first line of the script
14:30<AsterX>cant figure out some postfix issue
14:30<zarchne>AsterX: no, I am not a mail guru.
14:30<AsterX>zarchne, I just need to cear something
14:30<AsterX>clear*
14:31<bcochofel>AsterX: try freenode.irc.net#postfix
14:31<zarchne>AsterX: what MTA?
14:31<AsterX>noone responds there
14:31<AsterX>localhost.localdomain appears in the headers...
14:31<AsterX>It has f*cked 4 days of my life
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14:32<AsterX>http://pastebin.ca/1005250
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14:32<zarchne>Well, I definitely am not going to try to answer a postfix question.
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14:34<the-me>AsterX, nopaste your main.cf..
14:34<AsterX>ok one sec
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14:37<AsterX>http://pastebin.ca/1005268
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14:38<AsterX>the-me, did you have a look?
14:39<the-me>AsterX, and host.find-guild.com points relay to your host?
14:40<AsterX>find-guild.com has A record to 209.x.x.x and 209.x.x.x points to find guild.com
14:40<AsterX>I dont know if this answers your question
14:41<AsterX>also another record that goes like this *.find-guild.com 209.x.x.x
14:42<adii>good evening
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14:42<AsterX>the-me, I'm really lost I dont know if anything is wrong.. Mesage-id header does ook wrong
14:42<the-me>AsterX, ahhh.. missinderstood the first paste - it's right.
14:42<AsterX>and one of the replies
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14:43<AsterX>the-me, what do you mean?
14:43<the-me>AsterX, postfix has recieved the mail from localhost
14:43<adii>i've just bought a domain name, and I want it to appear when someone checks my IP (with DNS). how can I do that ?
14:43<the-me>so on, it's right.
14:43<AsterX>ok
14:45<Dj_Ha>help me please
14:45<Dj_Ha>when I press some key and hold it, only one symbol appears
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14:51<AsterX>the-me, thank you
14:53<dondelelcaro>adii: your provider of your ip space either has to do it for you or delegate the reverse lookup to you
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15:01<BarryAllen>anyone have some expirience with make-kpkg cross compiling ?
15:01<path>I used it to make up my kernel
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15:02<path>dont know if count as cross compiling :-)
15:02<BarryAllen>im tring to build a x86 kernel im my amd64 box
15:02<BarryAllen>in my*
15:03<path>so whats the problem
15:04<BarryAllen>i found a few parameters to pass to make-kpkg do that, but, it seems not working,
15:04<BarryAllen>im tring with make-kpkg --arch i386 --cross-compile - ... etc
15:04<BarryAllen>but the suffix of the generated package still amd64
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15:07<path>still cant see an issue there
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15:11<BarryAllen>path, no? if im trying to build an x86 package, why i would get an amd64 sufixed package?
15:11<BarryAllen>path, forget about, :), im trying another "tricks".
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15:23<parmon>hi. this is off topic, but is there a chan that discusses livecds?
15:23<parmon>or one that could help me chose one?
15:23<simonrvn>#debian-live maybe?
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15:23<simonrvn>oh, you mean distro agnostic
15:24<parmon>knoppix won't let me start a ssh server
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15:24<simonrvn>ask in #knoppix
15:24<parmon>dead chan
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15:24<simonrvn>though you might have to go to freenode for that
15:24<simonrvn>irc.freenode.net
15:24<patrick295767>hi guys !!!
15:25<parmon>heh. thought this was for a sec
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15:25<simonrvn>no, irc.oftc.net with a CNAME for irc.debian.org
15:25<patrick295767>Debian, Share you Desktop with a link to your screenshot .... :)
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15:26<parmon>patrick295767: google does that for you
15:26<parmon>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=debian+desktop&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi&oi=property_suggestions&resnum=0&ct=property-revision&cd=1
15:26<simonrvn>patrick295767: no
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15:28<apostols_>bzed, I could not send any information because I lack questions to answer.
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15:38<ProN00b>omg debian is aweasome
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15:45<hansy>hi. I want to make a list of all the packages I got installed from experimental. I tried 'aptitude search ~Aexperimental~i -F %p, but that lists all packages available from experimental, not the ones I have installed from there.
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15:46<hansy>(make that 'all the packages available from experimental which I have installed, be it from sid or experimental', which of yourse still isn't what I want)
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15:56<genie>hello all
15:57<genie>how to view user list?
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15:57<phillipsjk> /names ?
15:58<jesperj>I'm trying to follow this guide here http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html and trying to run "mkraid /dev/md0". Guess that wasn't part of "mdadm" which I installed, and there doesn't seem to be a raidtools2 package which the guide suggests. anyone know if "mkraid" is available in a package for Etch or if I should use some other method?
15:58<genie>phillipsjk, thnx
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15:59<jesperj>I'm following step 5.6 RAID-1
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16:00<phillipsjk>some of the How-to guides are hopelessly out of date.
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16:01<phillipsjk>fromthe article: Debian Woody (3.0)
16:02<phillipsjk>That was two stable releases ago.
16:02<genie>how to use apt-get update or apt-get install from terminal ?!
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16:02<genie>when I use it I got an error
16:03<genie>genie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
16:03<genie>what is this mean?!
16:03<jesperj>phillipsjk: I guess that's not the way to do it anymore huh.
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16:03<jesperj>genie: you need to be either root or have permissions to use apt
16:04<jesperj>ie be a sudoer
16:04<jesperj>"man sudo"
16:04<genie>jesperj, I user : sudo apt-get update
16:04<phillipsjk>jesperj: sometimes they got stale becaues what they describe becomes easy, or more likely in your case, people are moving to hardware-based RAIDs
16:04<genie>jesperj, why this not work in debian ?
16:05<jesperj>genie: you have not made the user a sudouser
16:05<jesperj>it isnt debian's fault
16:05<phillipsjk>genie: or you can log in to a console as root like I do.
16:05<genie>jesperj, how to make it sudouser?
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16:06<jesperj>phillipsjk: *nod* is it mdadm I should read up on? It's the main tool now for software raid?
16:06<jesperj>genie: I also "su" to root like phillipsjk to run apt
16:06<phillipsjk>not easy without consulting "man sudoers"
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16:06<genie>jesperj, let me to try and let you know - I am sorry I just install debian today, I am using ubuntu
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16:07<phillipsjk>!ubuntu
16:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:07<genie>jesperj, yes, thans again it's working under SU ;-)
16:07<jesperj>genie: thank phillipsjk
16:08<jesperj>i just repeated what he said :)
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16:08<genie>phillipsjk, thanks for the help
16:08<phillipsjk>jesperj I hawen't set up a raid software or otherwise.
16:09<jesperj>phillipsjk: thanks anyway
16:09<phillipsjk>genie, your welcome
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16:10<genie>phillipsjk, any guide to make debian as domain control?
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16:10<phillipsjk>jesperj, You didn't repeat *exactly* what I said :)
16:10<jesperj>;)
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16:12<phillipsjk>jesper if you have a few days/weeks, you may want to wade though this: http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/
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16:19<jesperj>Thank you phillipsjk. Perhaps you remembered that I was going to build a NAS?
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16:19<jesperj>I think we discussed samba earlier
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16:19<phillipsjk>i doubt it.
16:19<jesperj>I am however going to run cryptonas (cryptonas.org)
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16:20<jesperj>yeah I would be surprised :)
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16:22<phillipsjk>ther phrase "domain control" was enough to clue me in. I currently have my (bsd) samba server set up NOT to be the domain controller, but I think it is mis-configured. (There is no domian controller on the LAN)
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17:01<rudenstam>anyone got experience of using pata_marvell with 88SE6145 ? I upgraded to lenny and tried with both 2.6.22 and 2.6.24... I get this in dmesg -> http://pastebin.com/d7eca1d65
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17:32<spooge>hello
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17:32<spooge>how is everyone
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17:36<Noel>HOLA A TODOS
17:36<Noel>HOLA
17:37<Noel>SIGAN USANDO DEBIAN GNU/LINUX
17:37<spooge>hi
17:37<genie_>hello all, how to install Flash Player for Epiphany web browser?
17:37<genie_>I am on debian 4.0
17:38<avu>genie_, aptitude search flash, be sure to have non-free enabled
17:38<genie_>avu I try to include none free but I cannot find it
17:39<cwood>!es
17:39<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:39<avu>genie_, just enable it in your sources.list
17:39<spooge>hi avu
17:39<avu>genie_, it's a section just like main
17:39<VTommy>hi guys how do i combine files again? with c something can't remember :-(
17:39<spooge>can you help with a permissions error?
17:39<avu>spooge, how would I know that without knowing the error? :)
17:39<spooge>aha!
17:39<cwood>!cat
17:39<dpkg>i guess cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. see also <more> <less> <dog>
17:39<spooge>"You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Music""
17:40<spooge>i can view other directories/files in my external
17:40<cwood>!permissions
17:40<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
17:40<spooge>but my music and other folders are locked
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17:40<spooge>i have tried many things
17:40<genie_>avu, thanks I think I found it
17:40<avu>spooge, well, you seem to be missing the permission to view the contents of 'Music' 8)
17:40<spooge>indeed
17:40<spooge>i tried chown
17:40<zarchne>and?
17:41<spooge>i can't do it in terminal or gui
17:41<spooge>it wont work
17:41<avu>spooge, try chmod u+rx if you are the owner of the directory
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17:41<spooge>oh
17:41<spooge>ok
17:41<zarchne>So you're not the owner.
17:41<avu>erm
17:41<avu>o
17:41<avu>sorry
17:41<spooge>i am owner
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17:41<avu>spooge, chmod o+rx then
17:41<spooge>oh
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17:43<spooge>hmm
17:43<spooge>i am doing something wrong
17:43<spooge>do i have to be in the directory itself
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17:44<spooge>i did this: chmod jason o+rx Music/
17:44<cwood>!chown
17:44<dpkg>it has been said that chown is CHange OWNer, its part of the fileutils package, try 'man chown' at the prompt
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17:44<cwood>chmod is not chown
17:45<avu>spooge, just do what I told you
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17:45<Zyklon-B>http://sudrap.org/paste/2905/
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17:45<avu>spooge, not something else you came up with, especially if you did not even have a quick glance at the manpage :(
17:45<Zyklon-B>I have this problem while installing openoffice
17:45<Zyklon-B>I searched web, but couldn't find a useful solution to my problem
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17:45<spooge>i did read the man page
17:45<spooge>i swear!
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17:45<spooge>i'm just getting confused
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17:46<avu>Zyklon-B, sid?
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17:47<Zyklon-B>I am using debian etch but also with some testing repos
17:47<cwood>spooge: just wondering what the jason bit in your chmod is
17:47<spooge>jason is the user
17:47<spooge>me!
17:47<avu>Zyklon-B, disable testing in your sources.list, run apt-get update, then try again
17:47<Zyklon-B>ok thank you
17:48<cwood>spooge: you don't need the jason bit in a chmod statement.
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17:48<spooge>oh
17:48<spooge>ok
17:48<spooge>thanks
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17:48<avu>dude.
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17:48<spooge>when i do "chown o+rx Music/
17:49<spooge>it says "invalid user"
17:49<avu>dude!
17:49<avu>chmod != chown
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17:49<avu>it's chmod o+rx
17:49<avu>ir chown jason
17:49<avu>or
17:49<avu>you may want to have a look at those manpages again ;)
17:49<spooge>i'm sorry :(
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17:50<Zyklon-B>avu: I disabled testing repo addresses, but still have the same problem
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17:50<avu>Zyklon-B, did you do apt-get update after disabling testing?
17:50<Zyklon-B>yes for sure
17:51<avu>Zyklon-B, do you already have parts of openoffice installed from testing?
17:51<Zyklon-B>I run synaptic and searched for everything related to openoffice, but it didn't find a thing
17:51<avu>Zyklon-B, (I ask because I see oo.o version 2.4 mentioned in your error)
17:51<Zyklon-B>I would delete them all
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17:52<avu>Zyklon-B, you could try enabling testing again and then running apt-get -t testing install openoffice.org
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17:52<avu>Zyklon-B, but that may just make it worse in the long run
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17:52<avu>Zyklon-B, you really don't want to mix testing and stable packages on one machine, that's what bpo is for
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17:53<avu>Zyklon-B, please don't message me
17:54<Zyklon-B>ok
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17:56<spooge>i swear i followed instructions
17:57<spooge>it still wont give me permission
17:57<spooge>chmod o+rwx seemed to work on the directory
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17:57<avu>spooge, show us the output of 'ls -ld Music'
17:58<spooge>thinky:/media/External# ls -ld Music/
17:58<spooge>drwx------ 1 99 99 286 2007-10-11 19:01 Music/
17:58<spooge>
17:58<bzed>apostols_: you got two mails from me to your gmail account
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17:58<avu>spooge, 99? :)
17:58<spooge>yeah?
17:59<spooge>weird
17:59<spooge>my user id is 1000
17:59<avu>spooge, try that chown again
17:59<cwood>spooge: so when you type "id", what is your UID?
17:59<cman>what makes debian better than ubuntu?
17:59<spooge>my UID is 1000
17:59<cwood>chown needs to be run as root on that, heh.
17:59<spooge>yes
17:59<spooge>i was root
17:59<cwood>I wonder if the directory is immutable, or something similar.
17:59<path>!ubuntu
17:59<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:00<cwood>!lsattr
18:00<path>!troll
18:00<dpkg>rumour has it, troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity.
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18:00<spooge>uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),1000(jason)
18:00<spooge>
18:00<cman>can i install halo in wine?
18:00<cman>anyone know?
18:00<path>!wine
18:00<dpkg>from memory, wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.
18:00<avu>cman, the wine appdb knows
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18:01<cwood>spooge: so you can use chown to fix the ownership, and then it should work without a chmod. Assuming all parent directories are readable/executable by your jason user.
18:01<cman>avu: do you know anything about wireless internet?
18:01<avu>cman, yes I do. But if you have a new question, ask the channel, not me, just because I gave you an answer to a previous question
18:02<spooge>i tried chown
18:02<spooge>oops
18:02<spooge>haha
18:02<spooge>sorry
18:02<cman>avu: well i am having problems linux is not compatable with my wireless card.
18:02<avu>spooge, you obviously used it wrong
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18:02<avu>cman, as I said
18:02<spooge>of course i did!
18:02<avu>cman, address the channel, not me
18:02<spooge>i'm an idiot
18:02<cwood>use a better wireless card
18:02<cman>channel: i need help about my wireless internet.
18:03<cman>avu: like that?
18:03<cwood>spooge: so reading the chown man page, what command should you run on that directory?
18:03<avu>cman, no, just ask, without 'foo:' and don't tell us that you have a problem or ask to ask, just ask your question
18:03<spooge>i guess i need to run: chown jason /Music
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18:03<spooge>right?
18:03<cman>linux does not reconize my wireless card.
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18:04<cman>avu, like that?
18:04<avu>cman, that#s not a question
18:04<avu>cman, that's a statement. and a very vague one, too
18:04<cman>avu: can you help me or not?
18:04<cwood>spooge: where is the directory Music?
18:04<avu>cman, I still don#t know what your problem is...
18:04<spooge>the directory is in my external
18:05<spooge>under /media/External/Music
18:05<cwood>spooge: so you need to use that full path in your chown statement.
18:05<avu>spooge, well then /Musik is hardly right, isn't it? ;)
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18:05<spooge>last night i tried that, too
18:05<spooge>the full path
18:05<spooge>i swear!
18:05<cwood>!path
18:05<dpkg>PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells.
18:05<cman>avu, how can i find out what wireless card i have?
18:05<phillipsjk>spooge no. the '/' character denotse the root director when the directory you want to modify is in /media/External
18:05<cman>avu, can i use terminal?
18:05<cwood>spooge: perhaps you can create some test files and directories, practice with chmod and chown a bit.
18:05<avu>cman, lspci
18:06<phillipsjk>note also that paths are case-sensitive in *ix
18:06<cman>avu, do you mind helping me find a drvier maybe?
18:06<avu>cman, if it's connected to your machine via the PCI bus that is
18:06<avu>!hich driver
18:06<spooge>oh
18:06<avu>!which driver
18:06<dpkg>hmm... driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ .
18:07<cman>avu, i am new with computers i got it last night and install debian.
18:07<avu>dpkg, tell cman about which driver
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18:07<spooge>holy crap
18:07<spooge>termianl is going nutty
18:07<spooge>chaning ownership on a LOT of mp3s
18:07<spooge>wow
18:08<spooge>dam, still says UID 99 on the folder
18:08<cwood>spooge: it sounds like you need to learn more about chmod and chown. Read the man pages, and practice practice practice.
18:08<spooge>ok
18:08<spooge>can you just tell me what i should look at closely?
18:09<cman>avu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9612/
18:09<spooge>just some direction
18:09<avu>cman, dude
18:09<avu>cman, read the message dpkg just sent you
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18:10<avu>cman, if the card is not connected to your computer via the PCI bus, that won't help though
18:10<cman>avu: if the computers inside was not touch is it connected via PCI bus?
18:11<avu>cman, if it's connected using USB oder PCMCIA, lsusb and lspcmcia respectivly can help
18:12<phillipsjk>spooge you seem confusded about waht chmod and chown D. Chmod does'nt care about the sepicific group and user IDs. chown doesn't care about permissions.
18:12<spooge>ok
18:12<spooge>thank you
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18:13<cman>avu: what can i do to get the driver?
18:13<cman>avu, dpkg is not answering.
18:13<avu>cman, that depends on what wrieless chipset you use
18:13<phillipsjk>That was legible? (I know what I was trying to type...)
18:13<avu>cman, dpkg is a bot
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18:14<phillipsjk>!word
18:14<dpkg>word to your mutha!
18:14<cman>avu, where can i find out what wireless chipset i use ?
18:14<avu>cman, I already told you
18:14<avu>cman, depending on if it's connected to your computer via PCI, USB or PCMCIA, lspci, lsusb or lspcmica
18:15<cman>avu: i have this computer i will send you a link.
18:15<avu>cman, don't
18:15<cman>avu, why not?
18:15<avu>cman, just use those commands and read their output carefully
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18:15<cman>avu, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101126
18:16<phillipsjk>cman: where on the computer is this wireless adapter plugge in? Is it a small or large connector?
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18:16<cman>phillipsjk, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101126
18:16<avu>phillipsjk, ah, thanks for taking over ;)
18:16<cman>phillipsjk, can you check from that website?
18:17<spooge>well, thanks for your help
18:17<spooge>see ya :)
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18:18<cman>phillipsjk: can you tell what i have?
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18:18<phillipsjk> Gateway ML6714 NoteBook Intel Pentium dual-core T2080(1.73GHz) with integrated 802.11g Wireless LAN
18:18<cman>phillipsjk, yes that is correct
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18:19<cman>phillipsjk, what should i do now?
18:20<amphi>cman: does lspci not give any clue?
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18:20<phillipsjk>It is almost certianly on the pci bus. check the ouput of lspci for something like 802.11 or "wireless"
18:21<cman>i did that but dont know what all that means.
18:21<cman>phillipsjk, okay i will
18:21<amphi>cman: or pastebin the output of lspci
18:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 355] by debhelper
18:22<cman>where can i paste all of this?
18:22<phillipsjk>!paster
18:22<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
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18:23<cman>amphi, http://paste.debian.net/2058/
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18:25<cman>amphi, i dont see any wireless internet there.
18:25<amphi>nor I
18:26<cman>amphi, what should i do?
18:26<olka>hang
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18:26<cwood>Ask the manufacturer.
18:26<Billy>-7msg nickserv identify lol
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18:27<cman>cwood, what call gateway?
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18:27<cwood>Yeah.
18:27<cwood>They sold it to you.
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18:27<cman>cwood, they dont support any os but vista.
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18:27<olka>wtf
18:27<cman>cwood, only the os that was installed on it when they shipped it.
18:28<cwood>Something to think about for buying future computers, then. Ensure that all the hardware is supported in your target platform.
18:28<cman>cwood, what kind of computer do you have?
18:28<cwood>white box. :)
18:29<cman>cwood, is that a joke i have never heard of that kind of computer?
18:29<phillipsjk>cman: Is the wireless really built-in, or was an add-on card include?
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18:29<cwood>It just means that it's assembled by a small shop using their own choice of parts.
18:29<cman>phillipsjk, it was built in.
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18:31<cman>cwood, for all i know.
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18:32<phillipsjk>I don't see the integrated modem on the lspci output either :/
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18:32<cman>phillipsjk, you think there are drivers online?
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18:33<phillipsjk>cman try lsusb
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18:33<jesperj>Trying to format a raid device /dev/md0 with "Cryptonas" (cryptonas.org) and get this error : " Initialization of the device (/dev/md0) failed: Could not create the luks header: Failed to setup dm-crypt key mapping." " Could not create the luks header: Failed to setup dm-crypt key mapping.". Anyone know what might be wrong?
18:33<cman>phillipsjk, okay
18:33<avu>and/or lspcmica
18:33<avu>like I said ages ago :)
18:33<phillipsjk>heh :)
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18:34<cwood>jesperj: sounds like a better question for the cryptonas people.
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18:34<jesperj>cwood: :-/ Maybe.
18:35<cman>phillipsjk, http://paste.debian.net/2059/
18:35<cwood>I don't see cryptonas in apt-cache search cryptonas, implying that a Debian channel may be unhelpful.
18:36<phillipsjk>That my be it: Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
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18:36<cman>philipsjk, should i search that on goole?
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18:38<cwood>rtl-8189 sounds like a wireless card... yes you should.
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18:38<VTommy>guys how i can view an xml file from apache2, i'm getting an error right now :-(
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18:38<witte>!rtl-wifi
18:38<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, "modprobe rtl8187". All other chipsets or older kernels require driver compilation, see http://rtl-wifi.sf.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for instructions. Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. <rtl-wifi 2.6.24>
18:38<VTommy>any help would be appreciated :-)
18:39<phillipsjk>Realtek RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps USB 2.0 Network Adapter
18:39<cman>phillipsjk, search that on google?
18:39<witte>cman: which kernel do you have?
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18:40<cman>witte, where can i find that out?
18:40<witte>cman: uname -a
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18:41<cman>witte, Linux curtis-laptop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
18:41<phillipsjk>no' the intsalle directions for the "RealTek Network Driver" on the gatewage page brought up after search support for your laptop model.
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18:42<cman>phillipsjk, where do i search that?
18:42<witte>cman: try "modprobe rtl8187"
18:42<cman>witte, where do i type that in terminal?
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18:43<witte>cman: yes, just type that in terminal (as root)
18:43<phillipsjk>I was just disappoinet they didn't mention such detail elsewhere.
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18:44<cman>phillipsjk, i type in realtek network drivers and got this http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/NETWORK-CARD/REALTEK/
18:44<phillipsjk>http://paste.debian.net/2059/
18:45<cman>http://paste.debian.net/2060/
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18:46<cman>phillipsjk, what one do i choose?
18:47<VTommy>guys what is needed to be able to open xml files from web? do i need anything special to open or no?
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18:47<cman>phillipsjk, those are drivers for windows vista.
18:48<cman>are you there?
18:48<phillipsjk>!tell cman about rtl-wifi
18:50<cman>those drivers are for windows vista.
18:50<phillipsjk>cman you probably want the rtl8187 driver
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18:50<cman>okay for linux right.
18:51<cman>?
18:51<cman>where can i find that ?
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18:52<phillipsjk>I only mentioed the gateway driver dowload page because you asked where I got the card indentifier string ;)
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18:52<stratman4300>what is the command to auto create an xorg config file???
18:53<phillipsjk>if "modprobe rtl8187" works, it is already included with the kernel.
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18:53<cman>should i type that in in the terminal?
18:53<amphi>!tell stratman4300 -about drxx
18:53<phillipsjk>cman as root.
18:54<cman>in the terminal correct.
18:55<cman>it says error and warning.
18:55<witte>cman: i already told you that: yes modprobe rtl8187, yes in terminal, yes as root
18:55<phillipsjk>yes.
18:55<cman>is that good or bad?
18:55<witte>cman: which error
18:56<cman>http://paste.debian.net/2062/
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18:56<witte>VTommy: do xml files normally open in browsers?
18:56<witte>cman: are you root?
18:57<cman>what do you mean "root"(i am new with computers)
18:57<witte>cman: administrator in windows terms
18:57<cman>yes i am the only user.
18:57<witte>cman: so you are not root
18:57<phillipsjk>does the prompt look like '$' or '#' ?
18:58<witte>cman: type whoami in the terminal
18:58<stratman4300>does the version of Xorg in Sid create it's own config file.... i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it only lets me change the options for the keyboard section.. it auto fills the rest.... I can't even see what driver it's using in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:58<cman>curtis
18:58<cman>thats what it says
18:58<witte>cman: that is not "root"
18:58<witte>cman: su
18:58<stratman4300>It just shows Configured Video device in the Device section
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18:58<witte>cman: and type your root pasword (you had to give that in during install)
18:59<cman>how do i become root?
18:59<phillipsjk>su
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18:59<cman>authentication failure.
18:59<witte>stratman4300: the config is getting more intelligent, and it is not needed anymore to have all this config options (unless you have something special)
18:59<cwood>stratman: you might be using a higher priority than will show you the debconf questions you want. See "man debconf" and experiment with -p.
18:59<witte>cman: you have to type your "root" password
19:00<cman>i did "su then my password
19:00<witte>cman: are you running a debian machine?
19:00<cman>no
19:00<cman>i have ubuntu
19:00<witte>cman: what are you doing here in taht case
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19:00<witte>!ubuntu
19:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:00<cman>my friend said that the internet would work if i used ubuntu
19:00<stratman4300>witte: is there an alternative way to see what driver it is configured to use then???
19:00<cman>it sucks though
19:01<witte>stratman4300: you can have a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:01<witte>cman: i think your pc should work with that kernel
19:01<cman>i just want the internet to work then i will go back to debian
19:01<witte>cman: or rather the wireless
19:01<cman>witte, what should i do?
19:02<cman>with ubuntu kernal?
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19:02<cman>or debian?
19:02<tj_>Hello everyone.... I need a little advice... My first real adventure into linux was my new laptop as most of you know I have yet to take only a few steps into my journey.. However I have an old HP machine that untill now was only XP and was sharing files over samba... I have just whiped out my xp partition and am at the install screen for options to choose software to install.. I deffinately want to use it for file sharing.. so i have checked
19:02<tj_>that one... I would like to use it for a small light web server but have a dynamic IP from my ISP can i still use this? I would also like to print through this machine so i assume i want print server as well? so my question is do i need all of these choices?
19:02<witte>cman: you just need to configure it
19:02<witte>sudo modprobe rtl8187
19:02<witte>and your curtis password
19:02<cwood>tj_: you can apt-get install whatever software you want after your machine is installed. Perhaps just get it up and running first.
19:02<witte>cman: kernel is kernel, they use the same one, with some modifications (although the standard ubuntu is now a bit newer than the standard debian kernel)
19:03<cman>okay i entered that and password
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19:04<tj_>ok cwood... thanks
19:04<cman>and the wireless still does not work.
19:04<witte>cman: how do you know
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19:04<cman>i just checked
19:04<witte>cman: how?
19:04<stratman4300>witte: okay i see that it is using NV.... now out of curiosity..... if i compile a 3d nvidia driver and installing via module assistant and load the module.... will xorg detect it and use it during boot time???
19:04<witte>cman: did you configure your wireless
19:04<cwood>all you've done is load the kernel driver... you haven't configured the interface.
19:05<cman>how do configure it?
19:05<witte>cman: sudo network-admin
19:05<tj_><--- thinks cman sounds like curtis from yesterday
19:05<witte>stratman4300: yes, it should i think
19:05<witte>stratman4300: but install the nvidia drivers the debian way
19:05<witte>!nvidia
19:05<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
19:06<cman>witte, the network settings come up.
19:07<stratman4300>witte: i always thought the debian way was to get the kernel source via apt-get then compile it with m-a...... course thats the way i've done it for years...
19:07<witte>!nvidia one-liner
19:07<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
19:07<cman>witte, you there?
19:07<witte>stratman4300: well, yes, that is the debian way..
19:08<cman>tj, you come on here everyday?
19:08<tj_>everyday
19:08<cman>why do you do that
19:08<tj_>if i am not swamped at work... all day LOL
19:08<cwood>Because answering questions is more educational than asking them.
19:09<tj_>to learn from others see help, meet smart people
19:09<witte>cman: yes, what do you expect from me? that i know how to configure your wireless network? there should be a wireless device, and it should be not more difficult than on wintendo
19:09<tj_>seek*
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19:09<cman>what should i do then?
19:09<cman>i need this to work for school.
19:10<cman>?
19:10<cman>witte, can you help me?
19:10<cman>please i need this
19:10<tj_>cman.... how about self help... have you googled each obsticle that you have faced atleast once independantly? you will learn more that way...
19:10<tj_>i am learning too.
19:10<witte>cman: search a bit on the net
19:10<witte>cman: that will help you more
19:10<tj_>but i try to find my own way first and believe me its not easy and i still ask for help
19:10<cman>i have for the last 2 days.
19:11<cman>what kind of wireless card do i have?
19:11<tj_>lspci will tell you
19:11<witte>cman: did you google for "configure wireless ubuntu"???
19:11<phillipsjk>cman: you scholl will most likely tell you most of the network settings you need.
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19:11<phillipsjk>ty, no his is on the usb bus
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19:11<tj_>ah gotcha
19:11<tj_>lsusb
19:12<cman>witte, my wireless has never worked.
19:12<phillipsjk>we went over this ~20 min ago!
19:12<tj_>what kind of card is it? what kind of machine is it?
19:12<cman>gateway
19:12<tj_>i saw someone say something about trl8187
19:12<tj_>i have that card
19:12<tj_>and it was a nightmare
19:13<cman>did you ever get it to work tj?
19:13<phillipsjk><phillipsjk> Realtek RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps USB 2.0 Network Adapter (write it down it you have to)
19:13<tj_>using it now
19:13<tj_>all over the house
19:13<cman>can you please help me
19:13<cman>i need this
19:13<amphi>phillipsjk: an internal laptop wlan card on the usb bus? strewth
19:13<cman>i have gotten the video and sound to work
19:13<witte>tj_: but the thing is, his device is in the kernel, if he would have started network-admin from the ubuntu menu, he would have been able to find it himself
19:13<witte>cman: no, you are not able to configure your network device, it should work just fine
19:13<witte>tj_: it is an rtl-wifi card (rtl8187) (/msg dpkg rtl-wifi)
19:14<cman>witte, but it does not.
19:14<tj_>As stated i am new to linux.. never used ubuntu... but on debian i had to get some modified drivers
19:14<cman>can you send me a link/
19:14<witte>tj_: yeah, but he has a 2.6.24 kernel, should work out of the box
19:14<tj_>google "~cuervo rtl8187b" and you will find a guy's page that has the modified drivers and all needed info.
19:14<tj_>i dont doubt you witte
19:14<tj_>i only know of my experience
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19:15<witte>cman: try this one: http://www.google.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wireless&titlesearch=Titles
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19:16<witte>cman: and we told you already a few times, this is a debian channel, not for ubuntu.
19:17<tj_>LOL witte its kinda like taking candy from a baby at this point.... you already have his hopes up.
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19:17<cman>tj, can you send me the actual site so i can download the driver?
19:17<tj_>cman try witte's links if all elese fails try this one... i dont know about your kernel or ubuntu but here it is: http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/
19:18<tj_>cman if you lsmod does it have anything about rtl8187b listed?
19:18<witte>tj_: he only needs to configure his wireless, the rest should just work. if not he should ask real questions not beg while being to lazy to use google
19:18<phillipsjk>cman I think you already have drivers installed.
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19:19<cman>if i have them installed how come it does not work?
19:19<tj_>i agree with you witte... cman look into editing /etc/network/interfaces
19:19<cman>tj, which one do you choose?
19:19<tj_>rtl8187b-modified but dont use it yet
19:19<tj_>heed everyones advice
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19:20<witte>cman: do you see a wireless device in your network-admin program?
19:20<tj_>if you read the readme on that page it will give you what you need to edit the network files.. assuming its like debian in file structure i dont know
19:20<cman>nope
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19:21<tj_>cman.. didnt witte tell you to modprobe rtl8187b earlier? what happend then?
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19:21<cman>error
19:21<tj_>then you may have to use the drivers i speak of.
19:21<tj_>works for me
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19:21<phillipsjk>cman thet seocnd time? (as root?)
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19:22<witte>cman: it did not not say error. What was the exact error?
19:22<cman>it said not found.
19:22<tj_>guys, if it loaded wouldnt it be in lsmod list?
19:23<cman>tj, ismod in terminal?
19:23*phillipsjk guesses yes
19:23<witte>cman: lsmod |grep rtl
19:23<tj_>i actually took some self notes... but all the information is there. and i probably made mistakes along the way but i will tell you how i did it.. and other will probably point out things i "shouldnt" have done but it works.
19:23<witte>cman: LSMOD |GREP RTL (but lower caps)
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19:25<tj_>guys plz quickly exhaust all other possibilities and then i will tell him how i got mine to work
19:25<cman>tj, thanks
19:25<phillipsjk>tj_ When he didn't complain about a new error message, I assumed he got the module loaded.
19:26<tj_>phillipsjk i understand
19:26<witte>tj_: it should work out of the box, and otherwise it is an ubuntu error
19:26<tj_>you guys are the best and i do not doubt you
19:26*witte thought like phillipsjk
19:26<cman>tj, so you where saying?
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19:26<witte>cman: did you do the command i gave you? "lsmod | grep rtl"
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19:27<cman>http://paste.debian.net/2063/
19:27<tj_>aknowlegeing this isn not an ubuntu subject would you prefer that we take this elsewhere or sit back and see what happends?
19:27<witte>cman: your driver is loaded
19:27<cman>now what do i do?
19:27<witte>cman: dmesg | grep rtl
19:27<tj_><---agrees cman...
19:27<tj_>tis loaded
19:28<tj_>witte... is the interfaces file like it is in debian in ubuntu?
19:28<witte>tj_: ubuntu is a debian copy basically
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19:29<tj_>ok... so maybe that is where he needs to turn to next? would you agree?
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19:30<cman>[ 1453.001627] usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187
19:30<zarchne>yeah, but network/interfaces has suffered some brokenness over the years and could be one of those things it fixed.
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19:30<witte>tj_: yes, that would be a good place to start, but i want to know which device is assigned to his wireless card
19:30<witte>cman: mmm, not very usefull
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19:31<cman>thats what came up when i typed in what you last told me.
19:31<zarchne>(AJ using literate code to write ifup did *not* help, IMNSHO.)
19:31<witte>cman: yes, i hope there was more
19:31<witte>tj_: how is your card named? eth1? wlan0?
19:31<witte>cman: i hoped (not hope)
19:31<cman>thats all that came up.
19:32<amphi>cman: does ifconfig -a show the interface?
19:32<phillipsjk>ifconfig -a as root dumps all avialable net interfaces...
19:32<witte>right, forgot about that
19:33<witte>cman: upload the output of that command to a pastebin
19:33*phillipsjk learned that lurking here
19:33<cman>http://paste.debian.net/2065/
19:33<tj_>no interface
19:34<tj_>hmmmm interesting.
19:34<cman>in a good way?\
19:34<tj_>well guys i dont want to step on any toes... give up? what next?
19:34<tj_>:)
19:34<witte>cman: paste the full output of "dmesg" please (and if this does not lead to anything, you should really go to a ubuntu channel)
19:34<phillipsjk>did you omit the " -a" ?
19:35<tj_>witte.. about dmesg... for some reason mine gets cut off..... why is that? like its so long it wont log it or something
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19:36<tj_>no not in a good way i just saw your entry
19:36<witte>tj_: dmesg is a command, you can redirect it to a file if you want (and it has to do something with the buffer of your terminal i think)
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19:36<tj_>thanks... i will look into that
19:36<witte>tj_: dmesg > nice_filename_for_dmesg.txt
19:37<cman>http://paste.debian.net/2066/
19:37<tj_>gotcha writing it down
19:37*zarchne likes kern.log, it has dates.
19:38<cman>is that good?
19:38<tj_>no nothing about your wireless in there that i saw
19:38<witte>cman: it is not good, it does not have the part you pasted earlier
19:38<cman>what should i do?
19:38<witte>cman: "dmesg > file.txt" and upload file.txt using the pastebin site
19:39<witte>cman: you only have the first part now...
19:39<phillipsjk>try ifconfig WITH the -a option ("ifconfig -a")
19:39<witte>phillipsjk: :-)
19:39<cman>what do you want me to do now witte?
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19:40<tj_>looked fairly complete to me from memory scan to bluetooth... i get that to and i tried to get rid of thebluetooth but its still there i dont even have bluetooth hardware.
19:40<witte>"dmesg > file.txt" and upload file.txt using the pastebin site
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19:40<cman>type dmesg it terminal and save it as a file.txt?
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19:41<tj_>geesh
19:41<witte>tj_: remove bluez-utils if you have it
19:41<tj_>i removed every package i could find pertaining to bluetooth
19:41<tj_>i am sure by the end of it i will be re-installing again so bluetooth is the bottom of my priority list.
19:41<witte>cman, no, type "dmesg > file.txt"
19:41<cman>you cant save terminal file
19:42<cman>oh okay sorry
19:42<tj_>its actually comical
19:42<witte>cman: and it will be save
19:42<witte>saved
19:42<cman>nothing saved.
19:42<tj_>LOL
19:42<tj_>dir to see
19:43<witte>cman: what makes you think that?
19:43<witte>tj_: ls would be more appropriate
19:43<cman>when would it save to?
19:43<tj_>habbit.. DOS win user still adapting
19:43<cman>where would it save to?
19:44<azeem>file.txt
19:44<cman>what location?
19:44<azeem>current
19:44<witte>it will save to a file named "file.txt" in the directory you are now standing (most likely /home/curtis/
19:44<tj_>OOOO goodie my new debian install is booting on the acient machine!
19:44<cman>okay now send it to you?
19:45<witte>cman: upload it using the pastebin site
19:45<cman>okay
19:45*witte pats himself on the shoulder for showing so much patience
19:45<tj_>seconds that
19:45<cman>http://paste.debian.net/2067/
19:45<tj_>good job witte!
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19:46<tj_>so its concluded no wireless info in there
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19:46<cman>so what does that mean?
19:46<tj_>LOL... its not good
19:47<cman>what can i do?
19:47<cman>you think that gateway will help me?
19:47<tj_>cman you need to leave these fine folks alone now
19:47<tj_>no gateway will laugh at you
19:47<tj_>they work on windows
19:47<tj_>lets take it to PM
19:47<tj_>i will tell you what i did
19:48<tj_>but dont be upset if it doesnt work or you crash or your head explodes or the world ends
19:48<witte>cman: for one reason or the other, the network card is not fully loaded
19:48<cman>tj, please help me
19:48<witte>cman: try tj_'s method, or ask at an ubuntu channel, they should know better...
19:48<amphi>tj_: heh
19:48<tj_>witte.. now we can compare paitients
19:49<tj_>be back in um a few hours :p
19:49<witte>:-)
19:49<zarchne>Warn us first if the world is going to end, 'k?
19:49<cman>wittie, how can i get it fully loaded
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19:49<tj_>cman do you get my PM's?
19:49<cman>yes
19:49<witte>cman: I don't know, try tj_'s method first
19:49<tj_>if you want my help now is the time to take it i have a brand new system begging for mt attention
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19:51<cman>okay i wii
19:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 349] by debhelper
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19:58<black_13>where can i find the raw project
19:58<black_13>for webconverger
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20:13<Supaplex>!friday
20:13<dpkg>from memory, friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! !
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20:24<witte>!saturday
20:24<dpkg>[saturday] Tardsday Eve
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20:40<Kemikal>hey guys quick question for you, i changed the nameservers on my domain to point to my server, now when i say ping example.com it pings my server but when i ping www.example.com it doesnt what did i do wrong? running Bind9 and debian
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20:41<cwood>You need an a record for both example.com and www.example.com
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20:42<Kemikal>do you mind if i pm you what i have in my zones?
20:42<rrm>hello
20:42<cwood>!paste
20:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
20:44<rrm>hey room... i am using lenny. should i get kde or gnome? gnome seems to be more of pig then before under etch
20:44<abrotman>rrm: you pick .. don't ask us
20:44<cwood>rrm: install them both, use both, figure out what's useful for you.
20:44<Wyzard>rrm: I'm using sid and GNOME seems fine to me
20:45<rrm>i mean in terms of memory
20:45<witte>rrm: linux is all about choice (and there is much more than just kde and gnome!à
20:45<Kemikal>kk one sec
20:46<rrm>witte: i know... but opions make you choose... i wish i chould just get the tool that is used in gnome to configure the network
20:46<rrm>but i do not know what is called
20:46<witte>rrm: that is network-admin i believe
20:46<Kemikal>http://rafb.net/p/IbEqDn56.html
20:46<rrm>witte... i tried... but i can not get it
20:47<witte>rrm: it is part of gnome-system-tools
20:47<witte>rrm: apt-file search network-admin
20:47<cwood>If I want to install gnome-system-tools it wants me to install 136 packages and download 103 MB of debs. This makes me sad, and disinclined to be all gnomey. :p
20:48<rrm>says apt-file not a command
20:48<rrm>cwood... i prefer fluxbox... the gnome is too much stuff i do not use... and kde is even worst
20:48<witte>rrm: that means you don't have apt-file installed, but you can also use the debian web interface http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
20:48<Kemikal>Yeah, another question i have when i installed Debian 4.0R3 it said stuff about disable_Local_APIC and i had to take out my AGP Video card and it booted right up why?
20:49<cwood>Oddly, I use xfce. Odd, considering how much I dislike cde.
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20:51<rrm>nothing comes up
20:51<Kemikal>xwood: did you see anything wrong with those two configs?
20:51<Kemikal>x:wood*
20:52<Kemikal>cwood** wow i cant type tonight
20:52<cwood>Kemikal: I'd provide a straight A record for www and ftp, not cnames.
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20:55<cwood>Kemikal: also, it has been some years since I read about cnames... aren't they supposed to resolve to a fqdn for the cname?
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20:57<tj_>witte, you win LOL
20:58<witte>tj_: did you succeed in helping him?
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20:59<tj_>well.... the issue directly... but atleaste i have him installing debian LOL
20:59<tj_>so no and yes
20:59<witte>tj_: lol
21:00<tj_>funny huh? he is a kid been bootleging MS windows and everything wich i wont say i havent ever but i have seen the light
21:00<rrm>do you guys know what verions of kde is in lenny?
21:00<tj_>i had to even get him on the phone
21:00<witte>rrm: 3.5
21:00<witte>tj_: wow, you really take support serious!
21:01<tj_>LOL... well i have taken a serious approach to this whole linux thing simply for my own motivation... it took me alot of installs to get serious
21:01<rrm>3.5
21:01<rrm>wow
21:01<witte>tj_: well, he has a lot learn about computers, especially about searching, but he is persistent, he will learn
21:01<rrm>how can i get the latest?
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21:01<tj_>agreed
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21:02<tj_>i have much to learn as well
21:02<witte>rrm: in sid is 3.5.5
21:02<witte>!kd4
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21:02<witte>!kde4
21:02<dpkg>kde 4 is probably a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian.
21:03<witte>tj_: that counts for me as well...
21:03<tj_>i had my network set up well windows on everything multiple versions of windows dual booting and i have completely dropped windows as of today (my file server) and i am putting a done stamp on windows... no more.
21:04<witte>tj_: I did that 5 years ago
21:04<tj_>tire of being beat down by the man (gates)
21:04<tj_>tired*
21:04<zarchne>tj_: So, you're like, 99% FAT-free!
21:04<tj_>Exactly
21:05<tj_>and on the note of his wireless card... many many many people have a hard time with it most give it up...
21:06<tj_>from my reading atlease
21:06<tj_>mine works lovely though
21:06<witte>tj_: well, the reason is that some hardware manufactures still bring out stuff that needs to be backwards engineerd
21:06<rrm>damn it
21:06<tj_>only problem is alot of the functions like signal strenght dont work.. have to manually edit interfaces for new networks and such
21:07<rrm>network-manager does not seem to work under fluxbox
21:07<rrm>i can not access it
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21:07<rrm>it needs more gnome files
21:07<witte>tj_: it took more than a year for me to get my wireless working without troubles...
21:07<witte>rrm: there are other network managers than the gnome one
21:07<witte>rrm: why do you need the gnome manager?
21:08<Kemikal>witte: do you think you could help me with this bind9 problem
21:09<rrm>so i can set up my damn wireless card
21:09<witte>Kemikal: i really doubt it, i never used bind (i barely know what it does...)
21:09<rrm>since from command line i can not figure it
21:09<rrm>i did install the madwifi
21:09<rrm>but hte network manager is much easier
21:09<cwood>Kemikal: didn't I say to use A records not CNAME records?
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21:09<rrm>madwifi-tool installed but how do i access them?
21:09<Kemikal>cwood: i just saw you responded to me, i changed everything to "www 3600 IN A XX.XX.XX.XX" still doesnt resolve with www infront of my domain
21:10<Kemikal>cwood: i cant even ping it
21:10<witte>rrm: what is the current status of you network? how far did you get, and would you feel comfortable editing the interfaces file?
21:10<cwood>Kemikal: have you check with host queries to your own dns server? Did you increment the serial number? did you restart your bind daemon?
21:11<rrm>witte: i am comfortable with anything... but nothing it is what is seems...
21:11<tj_>BTW curtis says all the kids in his school use linux... i thought that was nifty
21:11<Kemikal>cwood: honestly i have no idea howto do the first two things i just started to learn howto use bind period, but i was smart enough to restart bind =P
21:11<rrm>but the madwifi-tools does not provide config info?
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21:12<witte>rrm: i don't know, don't have a madwifi card, let me check
21:12<cwood>Kemikal: So increment the serial number, restart your BIND daemon, check your own server's name resolution with host lookups. Read docs for the aforegoing.
21:12<cwood>!bind
21:12<dpkg>bind is probably the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "aptitude install bind9-doc", or try #bind
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21:13<witte>rrm: start with "zless /usr/share/doc/madwifi-tools/README.Debian.gz"
21:16<rrm>that did not work
21:16<rrm>some garbage file
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21:16<witte>rrm: did you notice the z before less?
21:16<rrm>yeah... but i think that does not work under my system... since i only did a clean install with fluxbox only
21:16<cwood>Kemikal: Oh, and if you're not already using your local BIND as your own general resolver, you should.
21:17<witte>rrm: aptitude install less
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21:18<dendrite>dondelelcaro: May I msg you about the dpkgbot? I have a question or two...
21:18<rrm>forget it... i am installing gnome... at 500k/s is faster then me doing the rest
21:18<cwood>!dpkgbot
21:18<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.
21:19<dondelelcaro>dendrite: you can just ask in channel if you want
21:19<rrm>witte: since the gnome and kde... not many apps that work without them... is sad... since you really can not make a clean syste
21:19<rrm>m
21:19<dendrite>dondelelcaro: K. I'm running the etch blootbot -- and I am wondering if the dpkgbot here is substantially different.
21:19<witte>rrm: less will work, it is command line
21:19<dondelelcaro>dendrite: yes, it's quite a bit different
21:20<dondelelcaro>dendrite: it's sourcecode is in the branches/dpkg branch of the infobot repository on sourceforge
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21:20<dendrite>dondelelcaro: Is that version available anywhere?
21:20<dendrite>Ah, cool.
21:20<dendrite>dondelelcaro: Thanks!
21:20<witte>rrm: and my system is quite clean, without much gnome or kde stuff... (i have pidgin etc, but not that much)
21:21<rrm>witte: i would want a core system... with only my stuff... i still have to find a good replacement for nautilus
21:21<witte>rrm: pornview :-)
21:21<witte>rrm: or thunar, which is the xfce file manager
21:22<rrm>witte: pornview?
21:22<rrm>oh
21:22<dondelelcaro>feh is actually the best that I've found
21:22<rrm>feh?
21:22<dondelelcaro>!+info feh
21:22<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
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21:22<dpkg>feh: (imlib2 based image viewer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.3.4.dfsg.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 243 kB, Installed size: 432 kB
21:25<rrm>witte: i really want to stop using windows... xp is so so... but getting tired of all windex
21:27<witte>rrm: well, linux is different, and when you ask someone "what to use best for X", you will get all different answers, but you have to choice and opportunity to choose the software to your liking (but it may take a while until you find what you are looking for ;-))
21:27<witte>rrm: were you able to open that file using zless?
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21:27<rrm>not yet since i am downloading something with apt-get(firefox and openoffice)
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21:28<witte>rrm: firefox? you mean iceweasel?
21:28<rrm>witte: you know it:-)
21:29<witte>rrm: depending on your internet, getting openoffice can take a while (my update will be completed in 37 min :(
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21:30<rrm>witte: i got 6mb/s att deathstar dsl
21:31<witte>rrm: i am at a network from the university (but not that of the university itself, just for students)
21:31<witte>rrm: normally i have 200 k, today it seems to be 50-100 k :(
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21:32<rrm>witte: at work is damn slow... we are up for an upgrade from the district. around 200k/s on a easy day and 9k/s when all user are online
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21:32<stratman4300>Just out of curiosity.... how often does Sid seem to break???
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21:33<abrotman>stratman4300: depends on your definition of break, and also what packages you use
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21:33<stratman4300>abrotman: lets say..... system unusable.... kernel break.... critical package missing... stuff like that
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21:34<witte>stratman4300: i find sid workable, but count on one time per week or two weeks to fix minor issues, big issues, not very often, but you have to check stuff a bit more often...
21:35<witte>rrm: at work it is more than 8Mb/s :-)
21:35<dendrite>dondelelcaro: branches/don/dpkg <-- that the branch you mean?
21:35<abrotman>stratman4300: like four times a day!
21:36<abrotman>!sid upgrade
21:36<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
21:36<witte>stratman4300: like at this moment, perl is in a very troublesome (and perl is very important for the health of your system)
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21:37<stratman4300>witte: yeah noticed that... :P I've got Sid running in a VM right now... kinda enjoy tinkering with it :)
21:37<witte>stratman4300: so i did not yet upgrade to the latest perl. If i would just install the latest without checking, i would be in serious problems at the moment...
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21:38<stratman4300>witte: now there is a way to manually hold back a package correct???
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21:38<witte>stratman4300: yes, but that means you have to know what you are doing...
21:38<witte>stratman4300: if you would do it, be sure to install apt-listbugs
21:39<stratman4300>wiite: what does that package do specifically??
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21:39<witte>stratman4300: and please, do not install sid on a mission critical machine...
21:39<witte>stratman4300: it lists bugs
21:39<witte>stratman4300: apt-cache show apt-listbugs
21:39<rrm>witte: thanks for the help, but need to take off... will do that later on
21:40<zarchne>Inside a VM should be okay...
21:40<stratman4300>witte: well yeah... lol al my servers are running etch....
21:41<dondelelcaro>dendrite: yes.
21:41<stratman4300>too scared to run lenny even on production boxes
21:41<witte>rrm: you are welcome, good luck with it...
21:41<dendrite>dondelelcaro: Thanks. The code looks a lot different! :-)
21:41<dendrite>dondelelcaro: You need to update the AUTHORS file... =)
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21:41<dondelelcaro>eh; not that important
21:42<dendrite>dondelelcaro: How will people know who to BLAME???
21:42<witte>stratman4300: i do not see a reason to run lenny on important servers (i use it at my home fileserver, but for no real reason, and i intend to let it remain lenny...)
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21:42<dondelelcaro>dendrite: that's one of the reasons why I'm not listed
21:43<dondelelcaro>(the primary one is that others have done a lot more, and I'm lazy)
21:43<dendrite>dondelelcaro: <grin>
21:43<stratman4300>witte: yeah makes sense.... anyway.... thanks for the info
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21:58<stratman4300>another question... if you've got multiple installs on two different disks on the same system.... can they all be configured to use the same swap partition??? regardless of what Install is running at the time??? only one at a time of course ;)
21:58<stratman4300>just curious if you could do it or not
21:59<ranix>two operating systems cannot use the same swap space
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21:59<ranix>simultaneously
22:00<stratman4300>right.... it wouldn't simultaneously
22:00<ranix>then there's no problem
22:00<ranix>swap is not frequently used though, and you don't need much of it
22:00<phillipsjk>kemranix: there are hacks out thre to even let windows share with linux ;)
22:00<stratman4300>cuase the swap is wipe during shutdown correct???
22:00<ranix>it's not wiped
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22:01<curtis>hey its curtis
22:01<stratman4300>cool... thanks... good to know how stuff works
22:01<curtis>i am using debian now
22:01<cwood>How much swap should you have?
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22:02<curtis>how can i find out how much ram i am using?
22:02<ranix>curtis: cat /proc/meminfo
22:02<witte>curtis: free -k
22:02<ranix>there are several ways
22:02<dli>curtis, top
22:03<phillipsjk>hit the "pause" key during post
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22:08<zarchne>Generally speaking, debian will always use some swap if available.
22:09<zarchne>The amount of swap you need can vary quite a bit depending on usage pattern.
22:11<cwood>I threw 2 gb of swap on here in a fit of optimism many years ago... always thought I was being overambitious. ;)
22:11<dondelelcaro>dunno, I'm using almost that much swap right now
22:12<cwood>on how much ram?
22:12<dondelelcaro>1G
22:12<zarchne>interesting.
22:12<stratman4300>I've got 2 Ram in my system and i hardly ever touch the swap......
22:12<cwood>Hm. 1 gb here and not using any swap, so says the monitor.
22:12<stratman4300>really only when i'm doing nuymber crunchin
22:13<phillipsjk>If I have a "small" drive, I try to do without swap as much as possible.
22:14<zarchne>I have my main machine setup multi-user, so swap usage can get large. I thought that was rare, though.
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22:15*phillipsjk is currently running 1GB of 20GB (50 MB used)
22:18<cwood>dondelcaro: what are you using that uses that much swap?
22:18<zarchne>phillipsjk: "1 GB of 20GB"? Oh, 1GB of your 20G disk?
22:19<phillipsjk>zarchne, yes, (96Mb of RAM)
22:20*zarchne nods.
22:20<phillipsjk>I figure it is awkward to expand the swap later if you run out...
22:20<dondelelcaro>cwood: a ton of different things
22:20<dondelelcaro>phillipsjk: not really
22:20<dondelelcaro>phillipsjk: you just create a swapfile
22:21<zarchne>Something linux seems to have always lacked (but should not be hard to add) is a way to get a simple & accurate snapshot of what processes are using what swap.
22:21<cwood>zarchne: sounds like a great contribution from the person who spots the need. ;)
22:22<dondelelcaro>zarchne: there's generally no point, because swap is transparent to applications
22:22<phillipsjk>or what about an erro message before your machine locks up from memory exaustion?
22:22<zarchne>phillipsjk: That's been addressed in a couple of ways...
22:23<zarchne>dondelelcaro: sure, but people wonder about it.
22:23<dondelelcaro>zarchne: about the only useful thing to look at is what is using amounts of memory, and how fast pages are being swapped in or out.
22:23<zarchne>cwood: Yeah, 12 years later, still haven't gotten around to it.
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22:24<cwood>zarchne: my suggestion was that if you want the feature, you should add it. People feeding their own needs is how we got all sorts of useful stuff.
22:24<zarchne>cwood: I know what you meant.
22:24<phillipsjk>zarchne, with no sawp I would prefer a 5% reserved for root like the ext2fs default :)
22:25<zarchne>dondelelcaro: I dunno.
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22:26<zarchne>dondelelcaro: I can't argue on usefulness per se, but I'm know I'm not the only one wondering "okay, exactly what is swapped out?"
22:27<black_13>what is the debian package that allows you to build source packages?
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22:27<zarchne>black_13: apt-get -b source packagename
22:27<witte>black_13: you can use apt-get source -b or debuild
22:27<zarchne>black_13: ?
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22:28<black_13>dpkg-source something or other
22:28*phillipsjk resists urge to say gcc
22:28<zarchne>phillipsjk: Me to.
22:28<zarchne>o
22:29<zarchne>apt-get build-dep packagename as root, first.
22:30<zarchne>I was going to ask why aptitude doesn't have a build-dep command...
22:31<black_13>what package installs dpkg-source
22:31<zarchne>and found some example output in the cr*ppy man page mentioning apt-build.
22:31<zarchne>!info dpkg-source
22:31<black_13>!dpkg-source
22:31<phillipsjk>debnest - Nested Build System of Debian Source Package
22:31<phillipsjk>dpkg-dev - package building tools for Debian
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22:32<black_13>thats it!
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22:33*phillipsjk found those usig "apt-cache search dpkg-source"
22:34<black_13>hum
22:34<black_13>!dh_testdir
22:34<dpkg>rumour has it, dh_testdir is in debian package debhelper
22:34<zarchne>apt-get build-dep would pull it in, I bet. If you're running debian, of course.
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22:35<black_13>i really like ubunutus splash theme is there a way i could use it in debian
22:36<cwood>black_13: look into grub splash screens
22:36<black_13>why? not being rude but what do they get you?
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22:37<phillipsjk>An initial graphic upon boot.
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22:39<black_13>ubunuts splash convers up everything
22:40<witte>black_13: you want splashy
22:40<zarchne>And that's good, right?
22:40-!-coremeil [~coremeil@213-238-115-133.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #debian
22:40<black_13>but not usplash?
22:40<witte>black_13: ah, euhm, don't know
22:41<zarchne>witte: what's splashy?
22:41<witte>usplash would do something similar
22:41<black_13>you make it sound like usplash is a four letter word
22:41<black_13>(like fema)
22:42<witte>zarchne: it is a package that does bring nice pictures at boot
22:42<witte>zarchne: apt-cache show splashy
22:43<phillipsjk>the ubuntu live CD looks sort of like the win XP boot screen if you are colour blind and squint.
22:43<zarchne>witte: W: Unable to locate package splashy
22:44<witte>black_13: according to dict: FEMA n : an independent agency of the United States government that provides a single point of accountability for all federal emergency preparedness and mitigation and response activities [syn: {Federal Emergency Management Agency}]
22:44<witte>zarchne: i am running sid, maybe it is not in testing?
22:44<witte>s/testing/stable/
22:44<zarchne>witte: ah.
22:44<cwood>witte: irl, that means they provide a single point of blame for all the screwups. ;)
22:45<witte>zarchne: http://splashy.alioth.debian.org
22:45<zarchne>Emergency management is *hard*.
22:45<black_13>witte thanks for that concise definiition
22:45<witte>cwood: well, i never heard of it that is why i had to use dict :P
22:45<zarchne>Especially for bureaucracies, I'd think.
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22:47<witte>black_13: i was not sure if you were joking with fema or not, it seems you really meant that fema :)
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22:47<student>ji
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22:47<black_13>i really meant that fema
22:48<student>how to uninstall debian?
22:48<black_13>burn and iso to cd and tata
22:48<black_13>sorrry tada
22:48<genie_>hello everybody, how to install google search bar in Epiphany?!
22:48<abrotman>i don't think it has that plugin
22:49<cwood>student: as root, shred -n 1 -z /dev/hda
22:49<genie_>so I cannot?!
22:49<tj_>here comes curtic
22:49<tj_>curtis
22:49<tj_>watch out and he is free from wires
22:49<phillipsjk>student depending how you installed it, it may not be possibple to unistal debian. What do you want to revert to?
22:50<abrotman>he can just overwrite it
22:50<black_13>oh he wants to un installl (why)
22:50-!-curtis [~curtis@pool-96-242-159-82.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
22:50<tj_>well hello curtis
22:51<curtis>tj, thanks so much man
22:51<zarchne>Is there any user-oriented software google wastes time porting to Linux?
22:51<tj_>no problem i pulled my hair out for days...
22:51<phillipsjk>abrotman, I was thinking student may want to expand a windows partition to cover the whole drive agian as well.
22:51<curtis>you are better than the tech person at my school
22:51<zarchne>Maybe they're trying to keep Linux a corporate secret or something.
22:52<abrotman>phillipsjk: i've got another idea
22:52<tj_>switch to #debian-offtopic
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22:55<student>no i want to uninstall the debian login password
22:55<cwood>student: could you be clearer about what you want to happen when your (Debian) computer boots up?
22:56<coremeil>hi
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22:56<coremeil>how install compiz-fusion on debian etch 4.00?
22:56<coremeil>i have 3d aceleration
22:57<student>my computer first is an ubuntu after i install the xdmcp and reboot it the login password is now different there is now a debian login pw
22:58<coremeil>student z polski jestes?
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22:59<coremeil>en or pl?
22:59<coremeil>how install compiz-fusion on debian etch? :(
22:59<coremeil>help me
22:59<black_13>witte, whats nice about usplash's theme is how seemless it is ...
22:59<witte>!compiz
22:59<dpkg>from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz
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23:00<student>whats that?
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23:00<witte>black_13: well, i don't use it, nor splashy, and i did not know there were two programs to have a splash at boot :-)
23:00<witte>!bot
23:00<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
23:01<coremeil>i cant install compiz-fusion
23:01<witte>coremeil: did you read what dpkg told?
23:01<coremeil>yes
23:02<coremeil>but i can not install compiz-fusion
23:02<coremeil>Problems are with dependences
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23:02<vison>apt-get install compiz-fusion
23:02<cwood>!abuse
23:02<dpkg>RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again!
23:03<coremeil>debian:/home/coremeil# apt-get install compiz-fusion
23:03<black_13>!pngtousplash
23:03<coremeil>Czytanie list pakietów... Gotowe
23:03<coremeil>Budowanie drzewa zależności... Gotowe
23:03<coremeil>E: Nie udało się odnaleźć pakietu compiz-fusion
23:03<coremeil>debian:/home/coremeil#
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23:03<coremeil>:/
23:03<zarchne>time for....
23:03<zarchne>!paste
23:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:04<black_13>!pngtousplash
23:04<coremeil>no found package compiz-fusion
23:04<cwood>!pl
23:04<dpkg>i guess pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
23:04<coremeil>thx ; d
23:06<witte>coremeil: don't paste here
23:06<witte>coremeil: and if you paste an error, put LANG:C before it
23:06<witte>coremeil: sorry, LANG=C
23:06<witte>coremeil: if you want to know where to paste, "/msg dpkg paste" in this irc channel
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23:06<coremeil>There has nobody, but I do not sleep whole night
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23:06<witte>damn lag
23:06<cwood>Ah. You can do apt-cache search compiz, or check backports.org for a compiz repository.
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23:12<coremeil>Great due to!
23:12<coremeil>cwood compiz-fusion is ok :D
23:12<cwood>Oh, good.
23:12<coremeil>how install plugins manager?
23:13<cwood>coremeil: that might also be available where you got the compiz.
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23:13<tj_>witte... FYI curtis is wireless on etch... :p and i am off to bed... thanks for trying to help him...
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23:14<witte>tj_: no, thank you for solving it :-)
23:14<coremeil>not found compizconfig-settings-manager
23:14<tj_>he is a kid that runs at the mouth... maybe you could steer around a little when he comes back already making enimies in here.
23:14<cwood>coremeil: when you apt-cache search compiz you get a list... maybe one of them has it?
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23:15<witte>tj_: it is 5:15 here, but i will do my best while i am awake
23:15<curtis>in the morning?
23:15<tj_>k... thanks... see ya around..
23:15<tj_>night
23:16<witte>curtis: yeah
23:16<curtis>tj, where you live
23:16<curtis>?
23:16<tj_>georgia....
23:16<coremeil>5:16 am ; d
23:16<coremeil>i live in polish ; d
23:16<coremeil>z/w
23:16<curtis>wow i was going to watch you do the fire with all the discs
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23:17<tj_>not doing it tonight...
23:17<curtis>ya i know what time you come on in the morning?
23:17<tj_>i'm out... to all have a great night, day, evening whatever it is where you are!
23:17<tj_>hang around... you'll see me sometime.... read
23:17<curtis>okay i will.
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23:18<curtis>anyone know a program like itunes?
23:18<abrotman>for gnome or kde?
23:18<curtis>that you can store all your music in?
23:18<curtis>kde.
23:18<speedyx>help: debtorrent -> anyone know if it works?
23:19<abrotman>amorak i think is hte one they use
23:19<abrotman>speedyx: i don't think it's mainstream yet
23:19<abrotman>speedyx: check the change log to see
23:20<abrotman>speedyx: don't msg me
23:20*zarchne is intending to try out xmms2 , like RSN.
23:20<curtis>can synaptic install it?
23:20<curtis>or will it have it there?
23:20<witte>curtis: yes, you can use it
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23:21<curtis>anyone know how to install compiz-fusion?
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23:21<witte>!compiz
23:21<dpkg>from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz
23:21<cwood>curtis: perhaps learn to use what you have before you go jumping around. Including how to search for and install stuff.
23:22<curtis>good night everyone
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23:22<curtis>sorry about all the questions see you all tomorrow.
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23:23<witte>curtis: we are here for questions, but you should research a bit before asking them ;-)
23:23<w9>hi
23:23<curtis>okay thanks
23:23<w9>hbj
23:23<w9>jbj
23:23<w9>bjhlk
23:23<w9>bb
23:24<w9>hi
23:24<curtis>the new version of debian is coming out in september
23:24<RobertAU>Hello, I just installed debian testing (lenny) in a VM (did it as a net install using the business card cd) selected the base and laptop package groups. The install seemed to go succesfully but when I rebooted to finish the installation the user that was supposed to be created in the installation did not exist? I chose not to allow login as root but could create user from the single user...
23:24<RobertAU>...mode. I tried the installation twice and the same thing happend. kernel version 2.6.24-1-686
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23:25<witte>curtis: like at least one google search with your question in it (and if you don't understand teh result, tell people that you googled, but didn't understand)
23:25<witte>curtis: they will be more willing to help you if you let them know you at least tried ;-)
23:25<witte>curtis: maybe
23:25<cwood>RobertAU: for the base installation you can cat /etc/passwd and check if your user was created.
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23:25<RobertAU>i googled a couple of times and could not find any soloutions
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23:27<cwood>RobertAU: You can always look in /etc/passwd, see if the account is there... if not, use adduser to add it yourself?
23:27<RobertAU>well i have already made a user from single user mode, but there's no home directory and now i have to add it to the sudoers file and i thought there were installation steps to finish when you reboot
23:27<abrotman>RobertAU: okay, so waht's the actual problem? did you use a daily or a beta?
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23:27<abrotman>RobertAU: use adduser .. not useradd
23:27<RobertAU>oh ok
23:28<abrotman>or use useradd .. but read the man page to learn how to use it
23:28<RobertAU>i used the 4.0rc3 buisnesscard cd and selected testing
23:28<RobertAU>kk
23:28<abrotman>adduser is easier in most cases
23:28<RobertAU>but i though you had to finfish pakage selection on reeboot?
23:28<abrotman>that was sarge
23:29<RobertAU>oh, so now you only choose the categories and then youuse aptitude or whatever?
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23:31<maddmax>excuse me... do somebody know how to compile .lo files?
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23:34<RobertAU>abrotman: i selected seperate home partition and i was using the gui expert mode of the installer do you think this would have an effect?
23:34<abrotman>doubtful
23:35<RobertAU>have you heard of anything like this before?
23:35<genie_>hello everybody how to install flash player for web-browser in 4.0?
23:35<witte>!tell genie_ about flash
23:35<genie_>I install 2 packages in synaptic but still flash will not working
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23:38<genie_>witte, yes, I run it and I got this: Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
23:38<genie_>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
23:38<genie_>is only available from another source
23:38<genie_>E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate
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23:47<Lucky>Anybody know how to force a particular hard drive to always be assigned the same device name by the kernel? I have two sets of drives on two controllers. Sometimes the dive on one controller shows up as /dev/sda, sometimes a drive on the other controller shows up as /dev/sda
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23:47<Lucky>Seems to happen randomly at boot.
23:48<witte>Lucky: look at udev and /etc/udev/rules.d
23:48<witte>!udev rules
23:48<dpkg>file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
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23:49<Lucky>Thanks!
23:50<witte>Lucky: you can also use /dev/disk/by-uuid/ in fstab (which would circumvent the problem
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23:51<chuy_max>hi, how can I scan ports in a remote PC? (I don't want to do anything bad, remote pc services are not working but pinging works)
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23:53<curtis>hello
23:53<curtis>anyone there?
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23:53<curtis>vikki
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23:54<vikki_r>ok...?
23:55<maddmax>.lo files.... anybody know this kind of files???
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23:55<maddmax>its an emergency!!
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23:55<curtis>what is the question
23:56<maddmax>how to get a .lo file
23:56<abrotman>maddmax: file <file>
23:56<abrotman>oh .. how to get it?
23:56<maddmax>from gcc compiler
23:56<abrotman>ask #gcc on irc.freenode.net
23:56<maddmax>i think they come frome it
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23:56<abrotman>though i have a feeling you mean .la
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23:56<maddmax>mmm
23:57<maddmax>ill try it
23:57<octoserver>if i ssh into my box and run ktorrent, then log out, ktorrent will close. how can i ssh in and run ktorrent so that it will stay up downloading my file after i have loged out of my box?
23:57<abrotman>nohup
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23:57<vikki_r>or use screen and detach the screen
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