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---Logopened Sat May 03 00:00:09 2008
00:00<phillipsjk>maddmax, do you just need ldconfig?
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00:01<maddmax>excuse me?
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00:02<phillipsjk>do you have a .so file lying around that you program can't find?
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00:02<maddmax>ok im back
00:02<phillipsjk><phillipsjk> do you have a .so file lying around that you program can't find?
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00:04<phillipsjk>.so files are shared library files, similar to .dll files in windows.
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00:08<phillipsjk>maddax you said this was an emergency. Is this a homework question?
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00:10<maddmax>hi man... i have the .so file
00:10<maddmax>but i think the .so comes from the .lo
00:11<maddmax>its an emergency cos i've been looking for it for a week!!
00:11<witte>maddmax: probably if you would try to explain what you are trying to do, someone could help you, but you are not very informative...
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00:12<darkhack>greeting all
00:13<darkhack>anyone here know how to get mozilla-mplayer to work on firefox 3?
00:13<witte>are you running debian?
00:13<darkhack>oops wrong room
00:13<darkhack>yeah, ubuntu
00:14<maddmax>ok, i have an apache old version, and there is a problem with a module so i have to recompile it, but it cames from a .lo file, witch i dont have, i just have the .c and .so file
00:14<phillipsjk>ff3 gave it away
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00:14<maddmax>so it looks like i need to get the .lo file from one of those
00:14<Student>Greetings Every1
00:15<maddmax>thats my story
00:15<Student>why should i install Debian?
00:15<darkhack>hopefully debian will evolve son
00:16<phillipsjk>maddmax, you mean a security bug that you manually patched?
00:16<witte>just a stab in the dark, but maybe helpful for you darkhack
00:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:16<Student>i am afraid of getting STUCK some where, like installing PRinter etc etc
00:17<Student>any1 gona respond me plz? :)
00:17<witte>mmm, my call for !ubuntu was lagging again. Time to go to bed anyhow
00:17<maddmax>no... i've never make apache runs... because of there was a problem with a module since the beguin
00:18<Student>thanx phillipsjk
00:18<maddmax>and i read that you have to recompile that module
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00:21<phillipsjk>Student: the point is there is a learning curve, but free software can be quite liberating.
00:21<Student>i understand phillipsjk
00:22<Student>i am ready to invest my time and brain for that , np
00:22<Student>but i will be needing the help of ppl like you to support me
00:22<Student>support me to the level so i can support others ppl like me
00:22<Student>that is what i am looking fo r
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00:22<phillipsjk>I notced the first few pargraphs in the linked file didn't anwser your question.
00:25<phillipsjk>Student you may also want to read the gpl. If you object to some sections, you may prefer bsd.
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00:25<Student>gpl? the license? :)
00:26<phillipsjk>yes. The Window EULA is what pushed me to linux.
00:26<Student>are you lagging phillipsjk? :)
00:27<Student>well i want Freedom , that is all
00:27<phillipsjk>no, just looking for a link to the gpl.
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00:29<phillipsjk>The BSD people argue that the GPL restricts freedom (at the risk of starting a flame war). Essentially, the GPL has extra clauses to make sure it applies to derived warks.
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00:30<Student>well phillipsjk you have tou understand one thing , i eventually have to sell something to survive my existanc
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00:31<Student>if it is ok with GPL , i am happy but if GPL is just another boss sitting in the corner , directing me , well you know what i meant
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00:32<Student>i am not going to RE-Invent a Linux version
00:33<phillipsjk>the gpl(v3) is a half-hour read.
00:33<phillipsjk>(10 pages anyway)
00:34<Student>well i know about GNU
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00:34<Student>or and their work
00:34<phillipsjk>If you don't like the GPL, there are at lesat 3 versions of BSD as well :)
00:34<Student>basicially i contacted them and they told me to use DEbian
00:34<Student>why BSD is different from Debian?
00:35<phillipsjk>maybe #debian-offtopic ?
00:35<zarchne>BSD is Unix, GNU is NOT Unix.
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00:36<Student>Gnu is the founder of Unix :)
00:36<Student>so i should stick with the Fundamental
00:36<Student>Unix = Linux
00:36<phillipsjk>Student, no zarchne is correct.
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00:37<Student>ok i understand now
00:37<phillipsjk>BSD is the REFERENCE implementation for many internet protocols ;)
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00:38<Student>and Gnu is the Implementation of those many internet protocols?
00:38<zarchne>Student: you should install Debian because it is the universal operating system.
00:38<phillipsjk>As such it can be include in non-free software like windows and Mac OS.
00:38<phillipsjk>by "it" I mean BSD
00:39<Student>Berkley Software Development
00:39<zarchne>Or "Distribution", IIRC.
00:40<Student>BSD is a business company :) it is saying me not to waste time on Internet buy CDs , wow :)
00:40<Student>that was funny :)
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00:41<phillipsjk>The Dbeian "about" page probable answers most of your initial debian questions.
00:43<Student>yap it is
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00:44<Student>Ian Murdock and Debra :)
00:44*zarchne is trying to remember what the specific example of a software design philosophy, quite apart from licensing, that separates Unix and GNU.
00:45<zarchne>... was ...
00:45<phillipsjk>Does this have to do with no "wheel" group?
00:46*zarchne laughs.
00:46<zarchne>phillipsjk: I don't think so, but that's a good one.
00:46<zarchne>I'm thinking it was related to initscript design.
00:47<zarchne>But it doesn't seem right. Somewhere GNU transcended both BSD and SVR4.
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00:48<Student>hi james__
00:49<james__>I'm having trouble getting debian to use my GPU, see Im trying to use my radeon x1650 at 1650 by 1080 like an other computer in which this computer shares a KVM switch with.
00:49<james__>if it helps, the other computer uses a radeon 9800.
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00:50<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati>
00:51<phillipsjk>!fglrx one-liner
00:51<dpkg>somebody said fglrx one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
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00:52<james__>phillipsjk, thanks I think I got it...
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01:04<RIVE>HI, good evening.
01:04<rrm>hi RIVE
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01:04<RIVE>Hello rrm.
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01:05<vison>good afternoon
01:06<dave_>someone know how to install sdk, its a .bin file
01:07<dpkg>Software Development Kit
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01:08<phillipsjk>can you be more specific?
01:08<zarchne>Yeah, it depends on which one.
01:08<zarchne>If it's the Sun Java SDK, there's a debian metapackage for it...
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01:10<dave_>zarchne: it's the
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01:10<dave_>Sun java SDK
01:10<dave_>i have the package .bin
01:11<zarchne>dave_: aptitude install sun-java5-jdk
01:11<dave_>install the lasted?
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01:12<zarchne>dave_: yeah, I don't remember if it gives you the option of specifying your own .bin though.
01:13<phillipsjk>I did ~5-7 years ago
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01:14<zarchne>yeah, but this is the brave new world OSLT.
01:14<dave_>well-> ./package.bin
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01:33<desneedy>it's said third party software packages should be installed in /usr/local, but how can one make that happen during the process of installation?
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01:33<desneedy>Please help.
01:34<desneedy>You know in windows, we choose a installation path in a gui.
01:34<desneedy>what's the equivalent howto in linux?
01:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
01:37<zarchne>desneedy: Usually that happens more or less automatically. What kind of third-party package are you installing?
01:37<desneedy>zarchne: mldonkey
01:37<freddo-os>desneedy, ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
01:38<desneedy>thank you.
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01:40<zarchne>(usually that's the default --prefix , or it ought to be.)
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01:56<dan>good evening everyone
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01:56<dan>i'm looking around trying to find a list of supported hardware... found the irc channel instead. does anyone know where i can find that list?
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01:57<dan>nvm found it!
02:00<dave_>what does mean this ?
02:00<dave_>a# ./java_ee_sdk-5_04-linux-ml.bin
02:00<dave_>./java_ee_sdk-5_04-linux-ml.bin: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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02:03<dan>... sorry
02:03<dave_> error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
02:04<zarchne>dave_: you need to install a compatible libc++, I guess.
02:05<dave_>zarchne: only libc++
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03:04<clicman>hi all!
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03:05<clicman>i cannot build deb package: dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to pidgin-2.4.1/pidgin/pixmaps/emblems/16/xstatus_crap.png
03:05<clicman>please help
03:05<clicman>addon: command is : $dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot
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03:19<phillipsjk>clicman, thes prablem is that the "diff" program can't handle changes to binary files (like portable network Graphics)
03:21<clicman>phillipsjk - a how i can solve it?
03:22<clicman>remove orig?
03:23<zarchne>yeah, that didn't help you very much, did it?
03:25<phillipsjk>Thing I I don't know. Can you tell it not to attempt a diff on that file?
03:26<phillipsjk>(or even the whole directory)
03:26<zarchne>I'm wondering what the deal is with pidgin in the first place.
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03:27<phillipsjk>zarchne, the bot has an entry on it.
03:29<zarchne>Okay, clicman: did you try acquiring the package from
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03:31<clicman>it works - thanks a lot! )
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03:36<EmleyMoor>What's a good graphics card that's fully functional with free drivers in Xorg (so that I can run Google Earth)?
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03:39<zarchne>clicman: is there a place on the pidgin wiki you should update so that others do not have the same problem?
03:40<zarchne>Google Earth runs on linux?
03:41<muep>zarchne: yes, there has been a linux version for years
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03:41<clicman><zarchne> i don`t know how to do it
03:41<zarchne>How many years?
03:42<zarchne>clicman: What were you reading that made you decide to attempt to compile the package yourself?
03:42<muep>EmleyMoor: I'd guess there is currently no such card, but since amd is releasing specifications to enable creation of better free drivers, I go with one of theirs
03:43<muep>I'm not sure if intel's integrated graphics can handle google earth
03:43<clicman>zarchne -
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03:45<EmleyMoor>muep: They seem quite good actually
03:45<EmleyMoor>The Matrox in this won't do it
03:46<EmleyMoor>GE works on my laptop - that's Intel
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03:55<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to upgrade the Matrox drivers?
03:56<cahoot>don't you need 3d gfx ?
03:57<cahoot>last time I looked no matrox card supports 3d in linux
03:57<EmleyMoor>Old versions of Google Earth worked fine on this card... they do not run any more
03:57<valdyn>intel chipset handles googleearth just fine
03:57<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Can Intel chipset be obtained on cards?
03:57<valdyn>and what EmleyMoor sais, i havent tried recently
03:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: no
03:57<valdyn>frankly only good drivers are nvidia drivers
03:58<valdyn>intel drivers are being restructured / rewritten
03:58<EmleyMoor>I might have an old nvidia card around...
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03:59<zarchne>free ati driver and Radeon 9200 (RV280) does 3D for me (haven't tried google earth yet).
04:00<valdyn>zarchne: that one is excellent too, just the chip is old and slow
04:00<EmleyMoor>I gather it's free or non-free drivers depending on what does what you want with nvidia - am I right and are the non-free drivers easily installed if so?
04:00<zarchne>Of course, the machine is a few years old...
04:00<valdyn>EmleyMoor: the non-free drivers are the only ones doing 3D acceleration
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04:00<valdyn>EmleyMoor: and they are easy if you follow instructions
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04:01<EmleyMoor>I will see if I can find the card - back in a bristow
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04:04<EmleyMoor>It looks as though it's an FX5200 - any good?
04:04<valdyn>i seriously doubt amd/ati will have decent drivers any time soon, open specs or not
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04:07<EmleyMoor>Can't be sure the capacitors are good but it's here
04:08<valdyn>mm, googleearth is horribly slow on my system
04:08<valdyn>intel chipset
04:08<valdyn>older versions weren't that slow
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04:10<EmleyMoor>How do I tell whether this card is supported?
04:10<valdyn>ah, its the athmosphere
04:10<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its supported by legacy drivers
04:10<valdyn>EmleyMoor: has lists
04:11<valdyn>funny, athmosphere makes ~20fps into ~2fps
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04:11<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Would the packages available for etch support it?
04:11<valdyn>EmleyMoor: yes
04:12<valdyn>EmleyMoor: etch has drivers up to date at release time - legacy and the normal drivers
04:12<EmleyMoor>OK - well, can't shut this machine down right now but might try this out later
04:12<valdyn>EmleyMoor: why would you need to shut it down?
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04:12<EmleyMoor>valdyn: To change the card
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04:15<EmleyMoor>Do I just need to install nvidia-glx-legacy and the appropriate nvidia-kernel-legacy?
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04:16<valdyn>EmleyMoor: are you on etch with the debian kernel?
04:16<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Yes
04:17<valdyn>EmleyMoor: nvidia-glx-legacy probably + a precompiled modules package
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04:17<valdyn>EmleyMoor: im actually not entirely sure now if you card was already legacy in etch
04:17<EmleyMoor>It depends on nvidia-kernel-legacy
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04:17<EmleyMoor>So it may not be legacy? I see
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04:19<valdyn>EmleyMoor: nvidia-kernel-legacy should be a virtual package provided by the proper package fitting your kernel
04:19<EmleyMoor>valdyn: It is
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04:35<EmleyMoor>I'd like to try this graphics card out but it's the first Saturday morning of the month so this machine is busy on something not to be interrupted
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04:43<EmleyMoor>Does anyone else do their main full backup on the 1st Saturday morning of the month or am I weird?
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05:14<WolfClaw>how can you get irc to display a custom hostmask?
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05:48<nowhere_man>I have a strange bug with the acx wifi module
05:48<nowhere_man>it worked relatively fine until now
05:49<nowhere_man>the firmware is still at the same place, the three needed files are in /lib/firmware
05:49<nowhere_man>but in dmesg, it is claimed one of them is not provided
05:49<nowhere_man>uh no, it claims one that was never there is not
05:50<nowhere_man>I have tiacx100, tiacx100r0D and tiacx100r11
05:50<nowhere_man>it now asks for tiacx100c11
05:50<EmleyMoor>nowhere_man: It's asking for that one - you need to get it
05:50<avu>nowhere_man, maybe you upgraded your kernel or at least that module lately
05:50<avu>nowhere_man, running sid, perhaps?
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05:52<nowhere_man>not at all, and I'm sure I didn't upgrade the kernel
05:52<nowhere_man>the user of the system tried a reboot under Windows on the machine, but I don't get how it could have this effect
05:56<nowhere_man>and after failing for the absent file, it also fails with an existing one
05:56<nowhere_man>it says, in dmesg
05:56<nowhere_man>requesting file 'tiacxc100'
05:56<nowhere_man>firmware file 'tiacx10' was not provided, check your hotplug scripts
05:56<nowhere_man>but there is the latter in /lib/firmware...
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06:03<EmleyMoor>Is there a simple way I could find the length of a file in 2k blocks rounded up as an argument for the count parameter to dd?
06:03<bcochofel>Hi, I want to tar my / partition. His there a way to force the tar to stay in that partition and not recursively try to tar the all system?
06:04<EmleyMoor>bcochofel: Yes - the l (or --one-file-system) option
06:04<EmleyMoor>(that's a lower-case L)
06:05<bcochofel>EmleyMoor: -l ?! -l, --check-links , my man tells me this
06:05<bcochofel>EmleyMoor: but I have --one-file-system
06:06<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looks like they changed l
06:06<EmleyMoor>They did warn that they might
06:06<bcochofel>EmleyMoor: tehy I should use --one-file-system, right?
06:06<EmleyMoor>It's been a long time since I used the option myself - obviously it now has to be --one-file-system
06:07<EmleyMoor>(l used to stand for "local")
06:07<EmleyMoor>Most of my big tar jobs are now done by flexbackup - hence me not realising it had changed
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06:08<banton>I ran "apt-get upgrade" command and now I get errors whenever I run apt-get
06:08<banton>Errors were encountered while processing:
06:08<banton> linux-sound-base
06:08<banton> alsa-base
06:08<banton> alsa-utils
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06:09<banton>I ran "apt-get upgrade" and now I get errors whenever I run apt-get
06:10<banton>There are some packages which it still wants to install. How can I tell it to leave those packages and keep
06:10<banton>thins as they are now?
06:10<beer>mayb try to remove linux-sound-base alsa-basealsa-utils , run apt-get update and install those agaub
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06:11<EmleyMoor>When I used to use apt-get rather than aptitude, I found that apt-get install on each in turn would eventually force it to fix - but YMMV
06:12<banton>mmh .. I installed this stuff (alsa and emacs) from original tarballs
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06:12<EmleyMoor>banton: Why?
06:12<banton>I am afraid I have to rebuild all the stuff, if I run remove emacs etc..
06:13<EmleyMoor>You are removing to reinstall.
06:13<EmleyMoor>Why did you build this stuff instead of using the packages?
06:13<banton>But alsa (and the kernel) is not installed from debian packages
06:13<EmleyMoor>banton: Any particular reason why no
06:13<banton>it is a custom kernel and alsa-libs from the original tarballs (not debian)
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06:14<TuxCrafter>hello everybody
06:14<EmleyMoor>banton: Do you have a REASON for it being that way it is it just because?
06:14<banton>so won't apt-get remove the files (like libasound and so on)
06:14<TuxCrafter>how can i download a debian deb file to with the apt tools?
06:14<TuxCrafter>i want to download the linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 deb file
06:14<EmleyMoor>banton: apt-get will not remove files it did not install
06:14<banton>the reason is that I had problems with the kernel (with realtime stuff)
06:14<banton>and so I just compiled my own
06:15<TuxCrafter>normally i use the package website but i cant find the pacage
06:15<banton>I recently tried the 2.6.24 from debian and I still have problems with it
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06:15<banton>It locks my machine sometimes
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06:15<EmleyMoor>banton: Fair enough - you do realise you can make your own linux-image packages?
06:15<banton>well... usually I did in the past
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06:15<EmleyMoor>As for the other stuff, if it was not installed from a package, apt-get won't touch it
06:15<banton>with my last build I forgot
06:16<EmleyMoor>Or at least it shouldn't
06:16<banton>so it won't just rm /usr/libexec/emacs or stuff like that
06:16<EmleyMoor>You mean you didn't install in /usr/local
06:16<banton>well... nope. (I know, I know)
06:17<EmleyMoor>banton: Did you compile emacs or install from the archive?
06:17<banton>I compiled it
06:17<banton>but anyway I can just take the debian one
06:17<EmleyMoor>Any particular reason?
06:17<EmleyMoor>In that case, no real problem
06:18<banton>I did that at a time where emacs22 wasn't available
06:18<EmleyMoor>(unless you purge, your config will probably be retained)
06:18<banton>ok good.. so uninstalling the stuff that gives problems and re-installing should be the best way?
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06:19<EmleyMoor>banton: I just tended to install but yes, that ought to work
06:19<banton>thanks a lot .. let me try to do so
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06:27<banton>If I run "sudo dpkg -P emacs" I get it says: "tuareg-mode depends on xemacs21-nomule | emacsen", but if I try to remove tuareg-mode, it says that the package is not installed.
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06:28<gsimmons>TuxCrafter: You can either use apt-get/aptitude's -d (download only) option, eg. "aptitude -d install linux-image-2.6.24-1-686", then acquire the retrieved .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives. Alternatively, "aptitude install devscripts && dget linux-image-2.6.24-1-686" to place the .deb in your present working directory.
06:28<TuxCrafter>gsimmons: ah ok thank you
06:29<TuxCrafter>btw i found the packages on the website
06:29<TuxCrafter>the sid version was not avalible
06:29<TuxCrafter>only the lenny
06:29<TuxCrafter>dont know why
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06:33<TuxCrafter>does anyone recognize the problem of lots of empty lines coming trough you apt-get command outputs
06:34<banton>Can I tell apt-get to forget about pending tasks?
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06:39<Guest2880>hello! i would like install package of debian by net and not by CD....what i must change?
06:42<noflash>Guest2880, man sources.list
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06:44<Guest2880>i must create a link here? /etc/apt/sources.list
06:44<WolfClaw>comment out the cdrom lines, and add web sources
06:45<WolfClaw>then do aptitude update
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07:07<TuxCrafter>why does ubuntu uses seperate linux-sound-base and modules packages?
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07:08<makke>thats a question for #ubuntu, isnt it?
07:08<TuxCrafter>makke: nope
07:09<TuxCrafter>i was hoping somebody competent could explain it
07:09<TuxCrafter>i dont think those people are on #ubuntu
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07:14<TuxCrafter>because i cant understand there decisions, its driving me crazy
07:15<WolfClaw>for example why do they use sudo
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07:15<WolfClaw>its the number one reason i dont use ubuntu
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07:20<lastnode_>wlkyou dont have to use sudo. you can use sudo -s and work as root
07:20<lastnode_>WolfClaw: that was for you
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07:21<WolfClaw>they dont really have a root user
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07:22<WolfClaw>i tried doing some stuff to log in as root
07:22<WolfClaw>ended up destroying the whole system
07:22<WolfClaw>i never looked back
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07:22<WolfClaw>debian lennys working fine for me
07:22<WolfClaw>except i dont have kde4 yet! :(
07:23<WolfClaw>ah well
07:24<pabs>is there a way to get the kernel to ignore permissions on ext3 partitions on removable media, since permissions on removable volumes are not portable between machines?
07:25<TuxCrafter>pabs: i believe there is a mount option tho do that
07:25<TuxCrafter>but i am not shure
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07:26<linuxfreak>hi all my mkdir program is broken from my server can someone help?
07:26<EmleyMoor>linuxfreak: Why do you think mkdir is broken?
07:26<linuxfreak>becouse replacement of mv dir
07:27<linuxfreak>yesterday there whas a problem with libc6
07:27<pabs>TuxCrafter: I thought so too, but in the mount manual page I only see such options for vfat
07:27<linuxfreak>but its from breezy
07:27<TuxCrafter>.pabs: did you try google
07:28<EmleyMoor>linuxfreak: breezy? That's not Debian
07:28<linuxfreak>its Ubuntu
07:28<EmleyMoor>Yes - not Debian
07:28<EmleyMoor>!tell linuxfreak about bod
07:29<linuxfreak>but that means u cant help?
07:30<EmleyMoor>linuxfreak: It means we are unlikely to be able to help - if there was a breakage in Ubuntu, they are more likely to know the fix
07:30<linuxfreak>so i can join Ubuntu room
07:31<TuxCrafter>ubuntu is currently broken by design
07:31<linuxfreak>there is no one in there
07:31<TuxCrafter>i will mail there devel list today
07:32<linuxfreak>i never have problems with ubuntu
07:32<linuxfreak>i cant fix myself
07:32<EmleyMoor>linuxfreak: Excuse me?
07:32<pabs>linuxfreak: #ubuntu on
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07:33<muep>WolfClaw: ubuntu has a real root account
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07:34<lastnode_>WolfClaw: there are things to criticise ubuntu for, but "not having a root account is not one of them.
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07:34<muep>WolfClaw: it's just locked so that the root user can't log in with a password, but instead via sudo
07:34<muep>WolfClaw: you can even enable the root account and disable sudo
07:34<lastnode>what muep said
07:35<muep>first sudo passwd root
07:35<muep>set the password
07:36<TuxCrafter>damm i broke my usb audio systems
07:37<muep>then log in as root, use the visudo command to disable sudo. Then use gconf to tell gksu to use the root password instead of working in sudo mode
07:38<TuxCrafter>snd-usb-audio is loaded ...
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07:38<TuxCrafter>why does it not show up in alsamixer -c1
07:38<cahoot> look in /proc/asound/cards?
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07:39<Gekz>how can I clear my apt database?
07:39<TuxCrafter>cahoot: ah thanks
07:39<Gekz>because on one sid system updated at the same time, I have different dbs, with different versions of apps -_-
07:40<TuxCrafter>cahoot: it seems it got a dummy device hanging
07:40<TuxCrafter>i needed -c2
07:40<EmleyMoor>Gekz: Why not just bring it up to date?
07:40<Gekz>EmleyMoor: I did -_-
07:40<alephnull>Gekz: apt-get clean
07:40<Gekz>EmleyMoor: thats what I'm saying
07:40<cahoot>blacklist the dummy?
07:40<Gekz>alephnull: that just cleans the archive does it not
07:40<EmleyMoor>Gekz: If you updated them at the same time, how come they are different?
07:40<alephnull>Yeah. What did you mean ?
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07:41<Gekz>EmleyMoor: ... thats my question
07:41<TuxCrafter>bye guys i have to leave now
07:41<Gekz>alephnull: the listings.
07:41<Gekz>package list
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07:41<EmleyMoor>It helps to ask your question, not the supplementary "it must be this" question
07:42<Gekz>excuse me?
07:42<alephnull>Gekz: Just delete the files from /var/lib/apt/lists
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08:07<tr0ll>hello - is there a guide on howto expand a root partition without reformatting (eg. using the space left on the hdd) ?
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08:08<dli>tr0ll, resizing partitions?
08:08<dli>tr0ll, ext3, reiserfs, jfs, xfs all supports growing
08:09<tr0ll>right, i got ext3 i think
08:09<dli>tr0ll, jfs xfs support mount time growing
08:09<dli>tr0ll, easiest way: run gparted, it's GUI
08:10<tr0ll>i havent got gui i'm afraid :)
08:10<dli>tr0ll, it's safe, but backing up your important data still
08:10<tr0ll>text only :)
08:10<dli>tr0ll, then, just parted
08:10<tr0ll>any chan i can dump the parted printout for you ?
08:10<EmleyMoor>Is there a more practical way to do backups to DVD than use cdbackup/cdrestore and lots of short-term hard disk space?
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08:13<tr0ll>i want to grow /dev/hda1 into /hda2
08:14<EmleyMoor>tr0ll: You need to make hda2 smaller (or remove it completely) and then grow hda1
08:14<tr0ll>i'll remove it then - np :)
08:14<dli>tr0ll, or, you can move hda2 first
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08:15<EmleyMoor>Yes, you can move it... it just needs to be "out of the way"
08:15<tr0ll>its deleted :)
08:15<tr0ll>just a thought - i got cfdisk running
08:16<dli>tr0ll, I think most desktop top user need a small /boot (not required though), small swap, then everything for /
08:16<tr0ll>there's an options called 'maximize' - any good idea ?
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08:16<EmleyMoor>tr0ll: That will mess up the existing partition - if it has stuff on it you want to keep, it's no good
08:17<EmleyMoor>(IME at least)
08:17<tr0ll>its the root partition so i don't want to mess it up obviously
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08:19<tr0ll>question tho - can i do parted resize without rebooting first ?
08:19<dli>tr0ll, no
08:19<dli>tr0ll, boot a gparted livecd
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08:20<dli>tr0ll, or debian-live
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09:14<guilherme>1 vez q eu venho num irc!
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09:15<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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09:16<pirrola>algm sa be compilar o kernel do lenny ae?
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09:19<guilherme>it's my first time in this irc
09:19<EmleyMoor>guilherme: Do you have a question about Debian?
09:20<guilherme>how to compile the kernel of lenny?
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09:20<EmleyMoor>guilherme: Do you need to compile it?
09:20<guilherme>pardon, ma anglais est terrible
09:20<guilherme>yes, i wanna see it more fast!
09:20<EmleyMoor>You could try asking on #debian-br
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09:24<Menthol34>qq parle francais ??
09:24<dpkg>R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r"
09:24<dpkg>[fr] Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
09:24<Menthol34>ou que linux ??
09:25<Menthol34>going to debian fr
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09:31<tj2>goodmoning everyone...
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09:33<coremeil>hi ;)
09:34<less>If you have a question, just ask.
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09:34<tj2>I am setting up a file share and i started a folder /home/user/public...... however the file i want to share are in a nother location /media/storage/ can i just create a symbolic link to it? and what about permissions? how i make it so you have to use a username and password for acess?
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09:35<less>What kind of file sharing? NFS, or Samba?
09:35<tj2>Untill yester day it wasn an XP system... but today we have a clean debian install.... so NFS i assume.
09:35<less>Samba allows for authentication like that/
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09:36<tj2>i thought samba was for windows networks?
09:36<less>That's right.
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09:36<dli>tj2, you can use nfs, myself use sshfs nowadays
09:36<tj2><--- is trying to stay away from anything microsoft
09:37<less>With NFS, access restrictions are pretty hard to enforce, though.
09:37<less>You can export a filesystem read/only of course, but that may not be good enough.
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09:38<less>You might want to write to the filesystem.
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09:38<tj2>ok.... well i think i will go with NFS figure out the works of it and then go to sshfs. and i do need bi-directional data movement
09:38<tj2>thanks for the advice
09:38<less>You're welcome.
09:39<benneben>I have upgraded today to 2.6.18-6-686, but now I can't do make anymore
09:39<benneben>Makefile:86: *** Error: /usr/src/linux (version 2.6.18-5-686) does not match the current kernel (version 2.6.18-6-686).
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09:39<dli>tj2, you don't need server side setup for sshfs, if you have ssh-server working already
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09:40*less Googles for sshfs
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09:40<dli>benneben, are you trying to build kernel or something?
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09:40<benneben>nope, trying to install virtualbox
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09:41<abrotman>benneben: install the headers/source for your current version and fix the symlink
09:41<I_newbie>Is there a chan where to talk about data recovery ?
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09:42<dli>I_newbie, indeed, most reliable is to avoid data recovery :(
09:42<I_newbie>thanks cahoot
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09:42<cahoot>I_newbie: no harm intended
09:43<coremeil>i cant install on debian canon pixma mp150 :(
09:43<I_newbie>I created #backup
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09:43<noflash>I_newbie, you should have created backup before you lost you data ;)
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09:47<coremeil>i cant install compizconfig-settings-manager help me :(
09:47<I_newbie>@noflash I'm usually 150 miles away from this machine and I administrate only when I am in the console, and what I have to recover is an ntfs partition
09:47<ravenbird>I think you lost me on that one, I_newbie
09:48<abrotman>I_newbie: don't use @ to talk to people .. it's a bot command
09:48<EmleyMoor>How do I use the -a switch for mpg321 to choose another sound card to output through?
09:50<EmleyMoor>I know I've done it but it can't open the devices now so I must be doing it wrong
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09:51<cahoot>does mpg321 know about alsa?
09:51<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Yes
09:51<azeem>maybe only via oss-compt
09:52<EmleyMoor>azeem: No - it knows
09:52<cahoot> For -o alsa, specify card:device; defaults to 0:0 EmleyMoor
09:52<EmleyMoor>Yes, but it doesn't accept...
09:53<cahoot>so like -o alsa -a 1:0?
09:53<EmleyMoor>Can't open libao driver with device 0 (is device in use?)
09:53<EmleyMoor>(or likewise for other devices)
09:53<EmleyMoor>There's something I need to do to it to make it work
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09:55<coremeil>compizconfig-settings-manager how install?
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09:57<cahoot> mpg321 -o alsa 1:0 doesn't complain here
09:58<amphi>coremeil: on stable?
09:58<cahoot>meh - dispregard
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09:59<EmleyMoor>It always complained here until last time - now it complains again
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10:01<cahoot>EmleyMoor: cave in and use mplayer ;)
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10:02<coremeil>amphi: yes
10:02<coremeil>etch 4.00
10:02<coremeil>can you help me?
10:03<EmleyMoor>... and how?
10:04<coremeil>? :(
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10:05<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: Try the "alsa09" output device type (eg. mpg321 -o alsa09 -a 'hw:1,0') instead.
10:06<cahoot> mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0
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10:06<benneben>anyone has a good tutorial site? I need the syntax for syminks
10:06<amphi>coremeil: you can't use ccsm on etch; pygtk is too old
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10:07<EmleyMoor>It needs to be written as hw:card,device, not card:device - that's it!
10:08<amphi>coremeil: either use gconf-editor, or upgrade to testing
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10:10<EmleyMoor>benneben: What exactly are you trying to do?
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10:12<fstab>i cant get package xfce? apt-get install xfce am i missing something>
10:13<amphi>fstab: apt-cache search xfce
10:13<fstab>aww thank you
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10:13<fstab>idiotic and amphi
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10:41<tj2>how can i find my workgroup in terminal?
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10:42<EmleyMoor>tj2: Your workgroup? Do you have samba installed?
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10:43<tj2>trying to set up samba on machine #2 but want to make sure machine #1 is on the same workgroup.
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10:43<EmleyMoor>OK... hold on just a moment
10:43<EmleyMoor>Are both machines Debian?
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10:43<tj2>yes same version
10:44<EmleyMoor>grep workgroup /etc/samba/smb.conf
10:46<tj2>do i have to have a client installed on machine 1 if sever is on machine 2? there would be no smb.cong file on machine 1 only on 2...
10:46<bighornram>doing dist-upgrade in sid I get packages to be REMOVED: gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment among others. This can't be wise to say Y to since it would remove my desktop environment. Is it best to just wait or is there a way to complete the dist-upgrade without removing the packages?
10:46<tj2>i am trying to get info from machine 1
10:46<valdyn>bighornram: no there isnt a way
10:47<bighornram>valdyn: so just wait would be the advise here correct?
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10:47<EmleyMoor>tj2: What client or other means do you intend to use?
10:47<valdyn>bighornram: yes
10:47<tj2>just web-browser or KDE's Konq
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10:47<bighornram>valdyn: thanks ;)
10:48<EmleyMoor>tj2: I had no idea they were capable of accessing Samba shares on their own
10:48<tj2>ya... well... untill yesterday machine 2 (server) was xp system... now debian... and trying to get my shares back up
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10:49<tj2>and yes both worked by inputting smb:/// in the adress bar
10:49<EmleyMoor>tj2: Ah...
10:50<tj2>is there a config app for samba?
10:50<EmleyMoor>I have no idea how you set/specify the workgroup when accessing them in that way
10:50<tj2>ok.... thanks anyways i'll figure it out eventually
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10:59<tj2>emleymoor, when browsing i can see the machine on the network but cannot acess the share... any idead "time out"
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11:02<valdyn>tj2: browse locally first to exclude networking issues
11:02<valdyn>tj2: same setup is really really easy for simple cases..
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11:04<tj2>valdyn.... everthing i am trying to do is local...
11:04<tj2>but ping goes through
11:05<tj2>brb i need a smoke
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11:23<humbolto>what can I not do with debian etch's Xen?
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11:25<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to authenticate my etch box on a LDAP server. I can bind to my LDAP server with all users
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11:25<bcochofel>I can login to etch with a regular user that was on the system but I can't login with root
11:26<bcochofel>and I can't also login with some users that exist only in LDAP.
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11:27<tj2>geesh i can believe it so difficult to share a folder on the local network!
11:28<bcochofel>tj2: nfs or samba?
11:28<tj2>at this point i dont care! samba prefered i guess as there is still 1 win computer in the house
11:29<tj2>have samba installed... but cant seem to acess the share
11:29<tj2>its just blank when i point it to the machine on the local network
11:30<tj2>thanks i'll look at that
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11:30<MoDaX>tj2: smbclient -L //name
11:30<bcochofel>tj2: probably all you have to do is take care of permissions
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11:32<Samekh>how i can mount a windows partition in debian?
11:32<bcochofel>I've just realised that I can access root in single user mode
11:32<mik>is it english or polish channel ?
11:32<bcochofel>mik: en
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11:33<dpkg>i guess pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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11:33<dpkg>pl is, like, perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
11:33<bcochofel>Samekh: you can use konqueror, smb://host
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11:33<bcochofel>but the best way is to use mount
11:34<Samekh>bcochofel, i need to access my muisic files
11:34<bcochofel>Samekh: then mount
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11:35<Samekh>i know how to mount, but i dont know how give the nescessaries privilegies
11:35<Samekh>like read and execute
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11:36<bcochofel>Samekh: you need execute for music files?!
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11:36<bcochofel>Samekh: read only: ro
11:36<bcochofel>Samekh: check man mount
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11:37<witte>Samekh: install smbfs package, and do "man 8 mount.cifs
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11:40<mik>who can help me with postfix and bind9
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11:41<mik>whois NewB
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11:42<bcochofel>mik: make the question, maybe I can
11:42<terminus>oigan tengo un problema con la configuracion
11:42<terminus>de mi tarjeta de video intel
11:42<Ganneff>terminus: english please
11:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:42<mik>i have a problem with send a mail outside
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11:43<bcochofel>mik: do you have a valid domain?
11:43<bcochofel>mik: or is just intranet domain like
11:44<mik>yes it works
11:44<mik>i have apache2
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11:44<mik>i can received email
11:44<mik>but i can't send outside
11:45<bcochofel>mik: are you receiving then back?
11:45<beer>seems like linux-headers-2.6-1-amd64 is broken on amd64
11:46<beer>or is it only on my mashine
11:46<mik>i cant send to my domain from popular account
11:46<mik>i received it
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11:47<beer>and nvidia-glx is still broken. Will it unbroke before lennys realse
11:47<mik>but when i want to send to ouyt side i have log Name service error for type=MX: Host not fou nd, try again)
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11:47<mik>not any other error in syslog
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11:48<mik>no errors in web when i set and register domain
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11:48<mik>*where not when
11:48<curtis>tj, are you there?
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11:49<bcochofel>mik: have you defined mx record on bind?
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11:54<mik>so, nobody help me?
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11:56<bcochofel>fxiny: hi, I'm trying to use wmii or ion2
11:58<bcochofel>fxiny: for now I'm trying ion, but I have one "problem". Xresources for my xterm aren't read
11:58<bcochofel>is this normal?
11:58<tj2>using : step by step... here is my patebin with error output.
11:59<tj2>i dont get any error untill i add the [allusers] section to smb.conf
11:59<bcochofel>tj2: man, those are KDE errors, not samba
12:00<fxiny>bcochofel: i am on wmii right now
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12:00<bcochofel>fxiny: well, I'm on fluxbox here but I can go to wmii on other PC
12:00<tj2>samba quits and restarts fine untill that section is added to the conf file.. any suggestions to resolve?
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12:01<fxiny>bcochofel: are you running irssi in a screen session ?
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12:01<fxiny>bcochofel: how do you boot into flux ? kdm gdm ?
12:01<bcochofel>fxiny: gdm
12:01<bcochofel>irssi is running on a xterm
12:01<fxiny>bcochofel: no ion and wmii entry ?
12:01<bcochofel>tj2: do testparm and check the output
12:02<witte>tj2: do you mean the ICE error?
12:02<bcochofel>fxiny: yes, 2 for each to be right
12:02<fxiny>bcochofel: stick irssi in a screen session so you can stay on chan while you switch
12:02<tj2>yes the ICE error
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12:02<witte>tj2: you can ignore that, it is that you used kwrite as root
12:02<bcochofel>fxiny: this is another PC
12:03<witte>tj2: normally everything should be ok
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12:03<witte>tj2: but consider using a console editor for root editing (nano, emacs, ...)
12:03<bcochofel>fxiny: the one with wmii is another PC (but the same monitor...)
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12:04<bcochofel>fxiny: if I start xterm here I get the colors right (here in flux) but not on wmii
12:04<mik>May 2 18:02:42 22wrz named[2764]: zone loading master file /etc/bind/ not a valid number
12:04<mik>May 2 18:02:42 22wrz named[2764]: zone localhost/IN: loaded serial 1
12:04<bcochofel>fxiny: wait, don't know what I did but now it's ok.
12:04<fxiny>bcochofel: cp /etc/X11/wmii-3/wmiirc ~/.wmii-3 ?
12:05<tj2>ah ha! that page is kinda misleading... i removed the "@" from the section that is advised to add to the conf and its all good
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12:05<witte>mik: if you want to paste stuff, use a pastebin instead...
12:05<curtis>tj, whats up
12:06<tj2>hello curtis
12:06<fxiny>bcochofel: wmii is more user friendly : it just work
12:06<bcochofel>fxiny: ok. done.
12:06<tj2>nm... working on file shares
12:06<mik>past stuff
12:06<curtis>tj, you are loading files onto the internet?
12:06<bcochofel>fxiny: yesterday you've talk about xinerama, what's that?
12:07<fxiny>bcochofel: two screens : xmonad already support xinerama
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12:07<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, then that's not for me. I have 2 towers and one mon :)
12:07<mik>yes i know i was looking but there is no answer for my help
12:08<bcochofel>fxiny: have you changed the default wmiirc?
12:09<mik>ok i dont disturb you
12:09<fxiny>bcochofel: i wen for shopping today : just new keyboard and speakers , i'm thinking about a wide lcd screen to play with two a4 size windows . tiled windows managers on vertical mod should be pretty nice :)
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12:10<abrotman>tj2: can you paste your smb.conf ?
12:10<fxiny>so if that wide screen thing works the way is supposed to work , i will never install again kde nor gnome
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12:10<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm trying to start using tiled wm
12:10<tj2>yes just one min
12:10<abrotman>tj2: also .. there is a #samba on
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12:11<tj2>k. getting closer to working.
12:11<ssb>I did read bug 254248 but I am still puzzled: could someone please tell me the story about debootstrap vs cdebootstrap ?
12:11<bcochofel>fxiny: but do you think wmii is better then ion ?
12:11<fxiny>cause a windows manager should , as the word say , automagically manage windows in a sensible way . not pushing a user clinckong all day on a damned mouse
12:12<bcochofel>fxiny: that's why I use emacs also...
12:12<bcochofel>fxiny: I don't like that much the mouse
12:12<fxiny>bcochofel: i don't think wmmi is better then ion : i think xmonad is going the right direction
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12:13<fxiny>bcochofel: i use only mrxvt iceweael emacs and of course vim : so i am in heaven with tiled windows managers
12:13<bcochofel>fxiny: well, the first impact on ion2 was very nice
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12:13<fxiny>bcochofel: it is , ion is nice
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12:13<fxiny>they are all nice
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12:13<bcochofel>fxiny: mrxvt get messy with mc
12:14<fxiny>bcochofel: not mine :)
12:14<tj2> for that smb.conf
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12:14<fresch>hi, i want to extract firmware from a mp3-player. it supports downloading and uploading its firmware. unfortunately i have no idea where or how to begin. does anyone have some ideas or pointers?
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12:15<bcochofel>fxiny: what mc version are you using?
12:15<fxiny>bcochofel: i've backported sid mrxvt (wich is fixed now ) , unfortunately it fails with vim , so i'm using a compiled one
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12:15<fxiny>bcochofel: official mc , no uft8 ;)
12:15<bcochofel>fxiny: my problem it with utf8
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12:17<bcochofel>fxiny: do you have any problems with emacs key binding and mc over wmii|xmonad|ion2 ?
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12:19<tj2>abrotman.. what did you think about the smb.conf file.. i can see now the workgroup and the server but still no share acess
12:19<abrotman>tj2: i just saw it .. you didn't put my name anywhere near it
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12:19<fxiny>bcochofel: to load emacs takes a little bit on wmii : maybe is my "heavy" .emacs . i use muse + ecb + a lot more . nope , no keys collisions
12:20<tj2>sorry... was doing 10 things at once...
12:20<abrotman>tj2: browsable=yes ?
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12:20<abrotman>but spell it right
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12:21<fxiny>bcochofel: but then this is a very old box : i can't believe it still runs all this stuff . could it be a debian side effetc ? ;)
12:21<tj2>abrotman... i didnt edit that value...
12:21<abrotman>tj2: it's missing i think
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12:21<tj2>its in "homes"
12:22<abrotman>different share
12:22<tj2>i see... i'll try that
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12:24<tj2>abrotman... nadda
12:24<abrotman>tj2: from the server .. try to list shares
12:24<fxiny>bcochofel: and anyway we can celebrate the end of "virtual desktops" stupidity tx to wmii : tags tags tags :)
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12:25<tj2>using smbclient -l?
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12:26<tj2>abrotman "smbclient -l"?
12:27<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm trying xmonad
12:27<fxiny>bcochofel: one tying is missing : the fluxbox ability to follow a window when tagging it
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12:27<abrotman>tj2: look at the man page .. i think it's -L
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12:27<dvs>smbclient -L //machine
12:27<bcochofel>fxiny: the thing about these wm are the startup
12:27*Skrat waves
12:28<fxiny>bcochofel : do you have a wide screen ?
12:28<bcochofel>fxiny: not quite
12:28<bcochofel>fxiny: planning on
12:28*dvs just fixed a very annoying boo-boo with his cifs client
12:28<tj2>hmm.... wont allow me to login
12:28<tj2>asking for password
12:28<tj2>tried all of them
12:28<fxiny>bcochofel: mod h should be fantastic in wide screen
12:29<fxiny>two a4 sixed windows at the touch of a combo
12:29<fxiny>winsta can dream of this
12:30<fxiny>and maybe two on the left in the xmonad way
12:31<tj2>abrotman.... there isnt a password LOL
12:31<tj2>it gives my share "allusers"
12:31<Skrat>tj2, there has to be
12:33<tj2>well at the end of that how to I did as it said about adding the user with password... it took it just fine but using "smbclient -L //Debian" wouldnt let me get any info without leaving it blank
12:33*Skrat is away
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12:35<mik>who can help me with postfix and bind9?
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12:36<tj2>abrotman here is the output
12:36<Xenguy>mik: you'll need to be way more specific than that
12:37<mik>ok i cant send mail outside
12:37<abrotman>tj2: smbpasswd ?
12:37<mik>i can received but i cant send outside
12:38<NinjaMan>mik: how do you know it is a dns problem?
12:38<mik>my domain
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12:38<mik>my domain is set right
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12:39<mik>i can open www,ssh
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12:39<mik>because it is in log
12:39<mik>if u want i can paste some part
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12:39<NinjaMan>mik: ok I think you need to use pastebin to do it - depending on how many lines you paste
12:40<tj2>abrotman i entered smbpsswd and chose a password it took it but to list it it still requires no password.. even restarted samba
12:40<mik>only one
12:40<NinjaMan>mik: shoot
12:40<dpkg>i guess samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at , or, or read O'Reilly's book online (, or #samba on, or <samba etch5>
12:40<mik>this errors is the same
12:40<mik> Name service error for type=MX: Host not found, try again
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12:40<tj2>k sorry so much bother..
12:40<abrotman>tj2: doing simple shares should be easy .. you could also make the shares anonymous read/write
12:41<NinjaMan>mik: do you own the domain
12:41<tj2>they are set anonymous... just cant access them
12:41<abrotman>tj2: samba gets more complicated when you try to integrate with an NT domain .. but not much more
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12:42<bcochofel>fxiny: what about pigjin or xmms, how do these wm handle then?
12:42<NinjaMan>mik: and when you set up bind9, did you put MX records in your zone files for ?
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12:42<fxiny>bcochofel: floating ?
12:42<fxiny>lemme see xmms
12:43<mik> it is outside domain where i want to send email
12:43<mik>my debiant dont know this host
12:43<fxiny>bcochofel: xmms is fine
12:43<NinjaMan>mik: oic and can you email this domain from a webmail account?
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12:44<bcochofel>fxiny: I have trouble with dmenu (xmonad)
12:44<bcochofel>fxiny: fire doesn't get me firefox
12:44<bcochofel>nor anything
12:44<fxiny>bcochofel: backports ?
12:44<mik>from other account yes it works, this is my companys email but when i want send from my debian it is problem
12:45<fxiny>bcochofel: lemme check what xmonad backports i've used on etch
12:45<NinjaMan>mik: have you set-up bind9 to use forwarders?
12:46<NinjaMan>mik: such as your isp's DNS servers?
12:46<mik>hmmm i dont know can you tell my what can i show you ?
12:46<bcochofel>fxiny: unofficial stable
12:46<bcochofel>from the homepage
12:46<mik>ninja can i priv?
12:46<NinjaMan>mik: sure
12:46<mik>is it priv?
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12:47<bcochofel>fxiny: what about awesome?
12:47<fxiny>bcochofel: not checked yet
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12:48<fxiny>bcochofel: i fond nomeata xmonad on my spare box but i am 100% sure i've checked ~jps packages
12:49<mik>prime the server with knowledge of the root servers
12:49<mik>zone "." {
12:49<mik> type hint;
12:49<mik> file "/etc/bind/db.root";
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12:49<fxiny>bcochofel: yes :
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12:49<mik>im sorry
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12:50<NinjaMan>mik: you need to use pastebin
12:50<fxiny>bcochofel: i have nomeata packages as well but not checked yet
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12:52<NinjaMan>!help pastebin
12:52<mik>!help pastebin
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12:53<NinjaMan>fxiny: how do we use pastebin?
12:53<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
12:54<fxiny>bcochofel: i believe xmonad goes in the right direction : a better algo for three windows at the same time today , who knows what next tomorrow ? maybe guessing what is best for the user launching say emacs on a term tag ? stacked ? hor or vert ? left right ? something like that
12:55<fxiny>a window manager must manage windows
12:56<bcochofel>fxiny: try awesome...
12:57<fxiny>yeahh , i will
12:57<mysupper_>hello guys
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13:01<abrotman>tj2: any luck ?
13:01<mik>it is external IP
13:01<fxiny>bcochofel: i am a tag maniac : 9 mrxvt tags all the time . giving time (an a bit of money) i wouldn't mind using half screen as a tag . and maybe two screens , focusing on any of them as *vim* command : mod jlkh ;)
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13:02<tj2>no afraid not
13:03<tj2>abrotman... if i "smclient -L //debian" i can see it
13:03<tj2>but in the browser no files
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13:03<tj2>i dont get it...
13:04<abrotman>that just means the share is availble .. but your credentials won't get you in
13:04<mysupper_>tj2, hello there, !
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13:04<tj2>hello mysupper
13:04<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm not confortable with tags... don't know how to use them
13:04<mysupper_>tj2, struggling with samba?
13:05<tj2>stuggling isnt my word of choice right now...
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13:05<mysupper_>tj2, :)
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13:05<tj2>freakin pi**ed would be more appropriate
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13:06<tj2>i had xp for a file server and i was like "ya know what... lets kill windows completely." so i did... now i cant share any storage
13:07<fxiny>bcochofel: when in wmii : Mrxvt.macro.Ctrl+1: GotoTab 1 , and so on .
13:07<tj2>KDE has some easy on the eye apps for setting it up.. much like WIN but it didnt work.. so i removed samba completely and started fresh still doesnt work
13:08<tj2>i mean... its rediculous that some simple objective like sharing a single folder without any security would be so freakin impossible. (i know its not impossible) just how i feel at the moment
13:08<mysupper_>tj2, so,,,, you don't see xp files in your debian box?
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13:09<tj2>ah i can get them directly on the server machine.. just not from my laptop via Wi-Fi
13:09<fxiny>bcochofel: default mrxvt "mod number" is taken by wmii
13:09<tj2>mounted the 2nd HDD just fine
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13:09<tj2>made a symlink in my /home user
13:09<fxiny>bcochofel: i use the same macro even on flux . i think is better this way
13:10<tj2>and now just need to get that user folder shared
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13:10<mik>there is ISP DNS
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13:11<mysupper_>tj2, hmm ,,you made a samba server on debian (which is conformed at localhost) and your debian laptop can't see samba shared files in your debian server ?
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13:12<tj2>nope... if i use my laptop "smbclient -L //Debian" i can see my server just not access it
13:12<abrotman>you're connecting anonymously
13:12<mysupper_>tj2, hmm ok..I guess you set samba as 'user' . right?
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13:13<tj2>Its set as user yes in smb.conf
13:13<mysupper_>tj2, if so, as abrotman says , you need to allow accessing from labtop in your samba server conf.
13:13<tj2>what is the location exactly?
13:14<obnibolongo>tj2, if you want to allow guest/anonymous logins, just change it to "security = share" and set up the permissions in the folder shared so it is other readable and writable
13:14<mysupper_>tj2, samba server has specific passwd mechanism on its own , but I can't remember right now.
13:15<mysupper_>obnibolongo, tj2 is trying user setting. :)
13:15<tj2>will do
13:15<obnibolongo>ok :)
13:15<bcochofel>fxiny: where can I find the "menu sessions" that appears in gdm?
13:15<bcochofel>fxiny: duplicate items
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13:16<bcochofel>fxiny: guess I'm gonna stick with xmonad. I have to lear one of theose, gonna give xmonad a try for now
13:16<fxiny>bcochofel: iirc somehere down /usr/share
13:16<fxiny>bcochofel: which xmonad packages are you using ?
13:16<mysupper_>tj2, as long as I remember , A user in client can access samba server as A user set passwd up before.
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13:17<mysupper_>if user A in laptop want to access samba server, A user and passwd for A should be made in samba server.
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13:18<mysupper_>maybe smbpasswd can do I right?
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13:18<tj2>security = share didnt do anything either
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13:19<tj2>i tried smbpasswd and it took a password but still requires no password
13:19<mysupper_>tj2, how about the fire wall? said smbclient -L was working..hmm..
13:19<fxiny>bcochofel: /usr/share/xsessions
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13:20<bcochofel>fxiny: what do you mean, I've only installed xmonad debian unofficial stable
13:20<tj2>i have a docs appointment.. i have wasted a whole day on this... unbelieveable
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13:21<fxiny>bcochofel: nomeata or jps debs ? can you paste the url ?
13:21<mysupper_>:) , that's what I used to do.
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13:21<bcochofel>fxiny: /usr/share/xsessions is ok, but the list has duplicated items
13:21<tj2>what ever happend to right click- share- share as- DONE" have to say MS has file sharing whipped compared to debian
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13:21<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, jps
13:21<tj2>first time i really felt like bashing debian
13:22<valdyn>tj2: debian is for people who understand or at least want to understand how it works, if you dont, then dont use debian.
13:22<mysupper_>tj2, hmm..but you will be astonished by the news samba can act like domain controller in M$. :)
13:22<fxiny>bashing what ? you joking
13:23<tj2>valdyn... i understand.. i accept. I want.. I WILL. just having a bad hairday
13:23<fxiny>we (users) are all having a nice time since ever using debian : don't give up
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13:24<mysupper_>tj2, and more is goes like this..if files shareed by many pc's , router will act like maniac filled with broadcastings from local machine in M$ network. But samba don't needs that.
13:24<tj2>I NEVER give up.... i may for the remainder of the day though
13:24<tj2>I will find another how to and kill it all and start over once again
13:25<mysupper_>tj2, well,,anyway your samba network is doing odd thing. you need to check it step by step.
13:25<tj2>i will...
13:25<mysupper_>tj2, my recommendation is give static ip for both machines like,
13:26<mysupper_>tj2, and try with very minimal settings 'share'.
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13:26<tj2>let me ask this... if say my GF has a stinkin Vista machine can she connect with another server besides samba or samba is my only choice? I have tried to beat debian into her everything sort of sealing her laptop while she is asleep.
13:26<mysupper_>tj2, surely without any firewalls.
13:27<tj2>mysupper... I really really dont want static ip's
13:27<valdyn>tj2: same is the easiest
13:27<valdyn>tj2: samba is the easiest
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13:27<valdyn>tj2: hmm, no, actually
13:27<valdyn>tj2: look at winscp
13:27<mysupper_>tj2, hmm...ok..then you should use broadcasting mechanism if you don't want to use static ip.
13:27<valdyn>tj2: since that program requires no setup at all on the debian side
13:27<tj2>k.... i am ok with just working out the buggs.
13:28<valdyn>tj2: ( just requires ssh to be installed )
13:28<tj2>i need to clear the mind start fresh and take another run at it
13:28<bcochofel>fxiny: what's the url for jps for sources.list?
13:28<tj2>i think i am screwing up int the "workgroup" area
13:29<valdyn>tj2: cant you access shres via IP?
13:29<valdyn>tj2: that way workgroup is irrelevant
13:29<valdyn>tj2: and once it works fine, add workgroup
13:30<tj2>so your saying just // or whatever?
13:30<valdyn>tj2: yes
13:30<valdyn>tj2: \\<ip>\ from windows
13:31<tj2>ah you mean from an acutall windows environment?
13:31<tj2>i'll go to the GF's
13:31<valdyn>tj2: yes, it works via ip from windows, and from debian
13:32<fxiny>bcochofel: i had his/her xmonad dir mirrored in a frenzy , and i let : apt-ftparchive packages . | gzip > Packages.gz feeding my system ;)
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13:32<fxiny>a la guerre come a la guerre
13:32<tj2>tried from my debian laptop... nothing... ping works
13:32<fxiny>translates : i was busy :P
13:33<valdyn>tj2: so samba isnt running?
13:33<tj2>its running
13:33<valdyn>tj2: "/etc/init.d/samba restart"
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13:33<tj2>restarted i will try again
13:34<tj2>same thing.
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13:34<tj2>ping is good
13:34<valdyn>tj2: paste the outputs of "netstat plunt || grep smbd" and "netstat -plunt | grep nmbd" on a paste site
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13:34<valdyn>tj2: type, just one |
13:34<valdyn>tj2: typo, just one |
13:34<fxiny>!dpkg oing
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13:35<fxiny>netstat recipes sounds all funny : plunt is one of them . lopetu is another one
13:35<valdyn>tj2: and the output of "grep interfaces /etc/samba/smb.conf"
13:36<amphi>pant is another
13:36<fxiny>seen ? :)
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13:38<valdyn>tj2: damn, my bad
13:38<valdyn>tj2: -plunt
13:38<marianne>I just installed samba on debian with aptitude, added a [b] section to smb.conf, made the path world writable, but being asked for a user and password all the time. None of the unix user suffice . my smb.conf:, any idea?
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13:39<valdyn>tj2: eth0 is right?
13:39<tj2>yes tis the only connection
13:40<valdyn>tj2: i dont know if windows telnet accepts a port command
13:40<tj2>you want the output of "-plunt || grep smbd"?
13:41<tj2>yes you can do ports like
13:41<valdyn>tj2: but you need to telnet the samba server at port 139 for instance, thats "telnet 139"
13:41<fxiny>have you ever run : smbpasswd -a <username> ?
13:41<tj2>fxint\y yes
13:41<tj2>fixiny yes
13:41<marianne>no, should I?
13:41<fxiny>tj2: not you ^^^
13:42<valdyn>tj2: so "telnet" on your windows box
13:42<tj2>ok, guys thanks for all the devotion... and help... time to head off tot he doctors. tried.. i got nothing
13:42<tj2>its hopeless at the moment
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13:43<tj2>i am gonna be late if i dont get off my a**
13:43<fxiny>dunno why but telnetting 139 makes me crying :P
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13:43<tj2>be back in a couple hrs
13:43<tj2>thanks again
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13:44<mysupper_>tj2, see you later. :)
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13:46<tj2>see ya mysupper
13:47<mysupper_>tj2, if you can see me, let's do that step by step sometime.
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13:48<mysupper_>samba can do so many different settings , so people get stuck at simple things.
13:48<tj2>as soon as I return.. as long as ypu have the time...
13:48<tj2>i am sure i am missine something simple. thanks for the generous offer...
13:48<tj2>be back soon
13:48<mysupper_>I never saw a samba howto , comprehensively written.
13:49<mysupper_>the reason is simple, samba can do too many things. :)
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13:50<marianne>the recommendation is: give up on samba if you do not want to spend hours and hours trial-and-error?
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13:51<tj2><----- is getting dressed and watching the room :) not going to give up
13:51<mysupper_>marianne, my recommendation is,,,set static ip for both machine and open firewall and start with 'share' - very minimal setting.
13:52<tj2><----reason for not wishing for static is used laptop int he workplace over DHCP... dont want the hassle of changing it everytime as i have hacked out driver for my wi-fi card and must edit "interfaces" to make any changes.
13:52<marianne>mysupper: I've done the first two, what do you mean be "start with share"? And: is the default settings that come with apt-get install samba not minimal?
13:53<mysupper_>tj2, ok. :)
13:53<mysupper_>marianne, 'share' is concept that anyone can see samba shared files.
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13:54<tj2><--- wants to be able to access from internet too... but realizes probably not going to happen right away.
13:54<mysupper_>marianne, and that maybe the default settings when the smbd is installed at first.
13:55<marianne>mysupper: do you mind to have a look at see [b] I just wanted to share /b to all windows users
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13:55<mysupper_>tj2, there's another safe way called tunneling which you will be interested. :)
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13:55<mysupper_>marianne, ok.
13:56<tj2>much like VPN?
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13:56<mysupper_>tj2, quite like that.
13:56<marianne>mysupper: however, on the windows site I'm always asked for a user and a password and none suffice.
13:56<tj2>mysupper... sweet... but i need to get local first :P
13:57<mysupper_>marianne, ; security = user is setting for called 'user'. if you are using first time, set it as 'share'.
13:58<mysupper_>marianne, change '; security = user' to 'security =share'.
13:58<mysupper_>marianne, change '; security = user' to 'security = share'.
13:59<mysupper_>marianne, and in share settings you don't need all that ' encrypt passwords and passdb backedn and pam restictions....'.
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14:00<marianne>thank you, mysupper, that were minutes not hours
14:00<mysupper_>marianne, and if you want to used tdbsam backend, I found out an easy howto.
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14:01<marianne>mysupper: I'm behind a firewall so I'm pretty safe with share
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14:02<mysupper_>marianne, then you decided to use 'share' settings?
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14:03<marianne>mysupper: yepp, that's fine for me
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14:09<mysupper_>marianne, ok , then easiest thing is remove all samba settings.
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14:12<EmleyMoor>Well, my backups have been running for 18 hours now - with 1 failure
14:13<EmleyMoor>(and my laptop hasn't been included)
14:13<screenn>how to install java in debian from Linux (self-extracting file)?
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14:13<mysupper_>marianne, how about apt-get remove samba?
14:14<EmleyMoor>screenn: Which Debian are you running?
14:14<nahsan_>etch rocks!
14:15<fxiny>screenn: java 6 ?
14:15<screenn>nahsan_ sorry?
14:15<marianne>mysupper: remove samba? that's a joke?
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14:16<mysupper_>marianne, that's for starting fresh installing.
14:16<EmleyMoor>java5 is available in non-free - but if you need java 6, maybe make-jpkg can do it for you - I don't know, I stick with 5
14:17<fxiny>screenn: bpo offers java6 for etch , sun jre1.6.0_05 installs in /usr/local , so man update-alternatives
14:18<screenn>fxiny after I executed bin file it's just extracted in directore where I did that
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14:18<marianne>mysupper: Ah, I got it - no, it's working fine now, I do not change a word. Streamlining is for times with boredom
14:18<marianne>got to go now, thank you so far.
14:18<mysupper_>marianne, that's always happening. :)
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14:19<EmleyMoor>I am hoping to get a chance to change my graphics card later - but it may have to be tomorrow
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14:20<mysupper_>I guess I started with too tough way....
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14:21<screenn>fxiny how do you think, maybe better I will download rpm package and create deb with alien?
14:21<fxiny>screenn: why ?
14:21<EmleyMoor>screenn: I wouldn't
14:21<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
14:21<EmleyMoor>I'd get the backport out of the available options
14:22<EmleyMoor>I think 2008 is the first year none of my Debian boxen has started with so much as one backport
14:23<EmleyMoor>(not that I actually avoid them - just haven't needed any)
14:23<fxiny>screenn: i run java6 in this box *only* cause i like playing with update-alternatives , you can look into it or install bpo , is all about creating symlinks , see man update-alternatives
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14:25<fxiny>i use bpo fluxbox and "some pieces" of bpo vserver
14:26<screenn>EmleyMoor did you had installed java from official repository? :)
14:26<EmleyMoor>screenn: Java 5, yes - it's in non-free
14:27<screenn>EmleyMoor are you sure? it's very good, maybe it's simple choice for me
14:27<fxiny>you said 6
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14:27<EmleyMoor>If you need 6, you need the backport
14:28<screenn>fxiny because I downloaded 6, I just didn't knew about official repository :)
14:28<EmleyMoor>I don't do much with Java - openoffice, the odd chat or something or game of Canasta on the web... 5 is fine for that
14:28<fxiny>screenn: sticking to official debs is always good
14:29<screenn>fxiny I know
14:29<screenn>EmleyMoor what package I need to install from official repository?
14:29<fxiny>canasta ?
14:29<fxiny>is a card game
14:29<velixzeen>How do I make sure that /dev/sdc1 is always created? It disappears when I reboot.
14:30<EmleyMoor>screenn: I have sun-java5-bin, -jre and -plugin
14:31<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Yes
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14:36<Ganneff>puffy: any debian problem?
14:36<EmleyMoor>puffy: What are you trying to do?
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14:37<screenn>how about java-package, anybody used that?
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14:38<EmleyMoor>screenn: I don't know if it works with Java 6 - it was a good tool for making your own Java 5 packages but isn't needed any more
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14:39<screenn>EmleyMoor I found java-common in official repository only
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14:40<screenn>nothing about sun-java5-bin,
14:40<EmleyMoor>screenn: Do you have non-free?
14:40<screenn>I need that?
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14:40<EmleyMoor>Yes - Sun Java is non-free
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14:41<EmleyMoor>puffy: What are you trying to do?
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14:41<screenn>EmleyMoor good, I will try
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14:44<tq|Memphis>your heroes came
14:44<screenn>EmleyMoor but will try java-package for first, just for experiment
14:44<EmleyMoor>screenn: Give it a try by all means
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14:45<EmleyMoor>If there is one thing I can't stand (as my mother has found out!) it's people who don't try :-)
14:45<EmleyMoor>0.9% of the packages on this box are non-free
14:45<fxiny>tq|Memphis: hahah it was yesterady you were installing , still echoing the noise you made :))
14:46<fxiny>tq|Memphis: :))
14:46<EmleyMoor>No non-free at all on my Jabber server
14:47<EmleyMoor>0.2% on my PBX (1 package only!)
14:48<EmleyMoor>As for my laptop, there's probably a few on there
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14:49<EmleyMoor>Only 3 packages (0.3%)
14:49<fxiny>i can add a new laugh in this conversation about java : sun shares had a little drop : minus 22% :)
14:50<fxiny>i hope atrope will follow :P
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14:52<user01>what is the recommended font installation method for debian? dfontmgr?
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14:52<user01>the other way i saw was ctrl+l in gnome and drag and drop in folder fonts://
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14:52<fxiny>and that idiot of sco still trying to climb from the bottom of the grave ? hahaha i like this stupid planet :P
14:52<valdyn>user01: cp fontfile.ttf ~/.fonts/
14:53<Griffix>question : has anyone already experienced an install where debian asks for media which is actually in the computer ?
14:53<user01>valdyn, so it is not recommended to put in /usr/share/fonts as root?
14:53<EmleyMoor>Griffix: Not for a while but yes
14:53<valdyn>user01: no, certainly not
14:53<Griffix>EmleyMoor: I have it with lenny , is there a way out ?
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14:54<valdyn>user01: as a user you put where i said, as root you put in /usr/local/share/fonts, as debian package you stick it to /usr/share/fonts/
14:54<ginobvhc>hi people....
14:54<ginobvhc>someone build packages....
14:54<EmleyMoor>Griffix: Have you tried another copy of supposedly the same?
14:54<valdyn>user01: or setup an alternate dir, but /usr/share/fonts/ belongs to debian packages only
14:54<user01>valdyn, ok thanks i saw to put it there and then do chkfontpath -a
14:55<Griffix>i have re-write my iso once : but nothing new
14:55<ginobvhc>i need to set cflags= -Wall -g - O3.... for basic setand compile all programs with all flags
14:55<EmleyMoor>Griffix: Hmmm... tough one - as long as you are sure your drive is OK, nothing I can suggest really
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14:55<valdyn>user01: just fyi, theres no standard font system in unix, but modern toolkits and apps will find it at abovementioned places
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14:56<user01>valdyn, i noticed that many of the fonts in openoffice dont show up in other apps
14:56<Griffix>EmleyMoor: I will try sing the Cd so instead of the DVD one then
14:56<valdyn>user01: guess they use their own stuff on stop of the usual
14:56<valdyn>user01: guess they use their own stuff on top of the usual
14:57<user01>valdyn, so then in general i shouldnt be modifying /usr/share because it is supposed to be for packages then
14:58<valdyn>user01: everthing in /usr except /usr/local/* might be used by debian
14:58<valdyn>user01: which is why you dont put non-packaged stuff there
14:58<screenn>EmleyMoor I am installing java 5 from non-free now, I think it's most simple solution, you right
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15:00<user01>valdyn, as root, cp _.tiff to /usr/local/share/fonts/ . . . no chkfontpath -a is needed?
15:00<screenn>EmleyMoor because we are need to think about security updates too, isn't it?
15:00<user01>valdyn, not tiff but tft
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15:00<user01>valdyn, grrr ttf
15:00<valdyn>user01: not needed
15:01<EmleyMoor>screenn: Having the security fixes done for you can save you time :-)
15:01<user01>valdyn, have you tried XeTeX?
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15:01<valdyn>user01: tex has its own font system
15:02<user01>valdyn, XeTeX uses the fonts preinstalled on the system
15:02<valdyn>user01: i havent used it
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15:03<user01>valdyn, ok it was designed for MacOS now ported to linux so I'm wondering how I'm supposed to point to the directory then, but that is part 2
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15:04<user01>valdyn, i guess in macos there is a font/x/ directory or something
15:04<user01>valdyn, thank you for the part 1 help in getting font installed
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15:06<screenn>EmleyMoor it's excellent working now, thanks
15:06<user01>valdyn, does it make a difference if each font has a folder inside the /usr/local/share/fonts ? Like one for Arial etc?
15:06<Griffix>EmleyMoor: I found how to solve the problem : I went to another tty and did umount/cdrom , after what I could put back de DVD in the drive :)
15:07<user01>valdyn, i noticed that the /usr/share/fonts is separated into type1 etc
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15:18<user01>should defoma fonts be the first fonts listed to load in xorg.conf? or the last?
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15:18<user01>defoma font path
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15:20<ahboy>wats lighter then xorg
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15:22<ahboy>what is smaller in size then xorg
15:22<zarchne>ahboy: give up.
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15:22<zarchne>ahboy: aalib
15:22<b12>does anyone know how to update compiz fusion?
15:22<dpkg>somebody said compiz was a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
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15:23<dpkg>well, aalib is a library to do graphics in text mode. Combined with GGI, this will even let you run X or quake in pure text mode. or (actually, trying to run quake or X on the aalib target kinda fails miserably, but it's still a cool idea) or (you _can_ have quake run in text mode, but that's a seperate port of quake to aalib; nothing to do with ggi)
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15:24<b12>could you install the extra plugins through synaptic?
15:24<ahboy>so in other words if i want to run xfce4 im going to have to install xorg
15:24<zarchne>b12: personally, I have no clue.
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15:24<b12>zarchne: how would i go about installing to the latest (unsupported) version?
15:25<zarchne>ahboy: yeah, xfce presumes an x server, and is pretty much it.
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15:25<ahboy>im just trying to make everything really light on my system thats all. Zanche what about X11config?
15:26<ahboy>ha shot down miserably
15:26<zarchne>ahboy: however, you don't necessarily need to have all the drivers installed.
15:26<b12>that site from !compiz says you can update it through a git installation?
15:26<b12>linux noob here
15:27<ahboy>aww theres a hole okay so once i get it installed i will have to manually remove the drives that are not needed. apt-get remove right
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15:27<ahboy>aright im off and away thanks zarchne i will be back if i have some more questions.
15:27<amphi>b12: see - although, if you're a 'noob', you will probably enter a world of pain
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15:28<zarchne>ahboy: remove xserver-xorg-video-all
15:28<zarchne>... by |that| much.
15:28<amphi>b12: what branch of debian are you on?
15:28<b12>ubuntu gutsy
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15:30<zarchne>i.e., the famous...
15:30<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
15:30<fxiny>a gibbon on the wrong tree :P
15:30<b12>im on #debian
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15:30<b12>thanks for your help anyway :)#
15:31<amphi>b12: you could also ask in #compiz-fusion on freenode
15:31<amphi>does the octothorpe represent a beard?
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15:33<benneben>can anyone give me a hint on installing a hp laserjet 4050 on a debian etch plz?
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15:33<benneben>it's a networkprinter, and I can ping it
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15:34<benneben>but I've tried through cups, hplip, etc but none work...
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15:38<ifvoid>benneben: cups should work
15:38<ifvoid>benneben: just go to http://localhost:631/
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15:44<benneben>yeah, tried some more
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15:44<benneben>can print a test page already
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16:04<tj2>mysupper... you around here somewhere?
16:05<tj2>Hey all! Doc says we are having a baby GIRL!
16:05<tj2>sure is quiet in here now
16:05<zarchne>Momentary lull.
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16:06<zarchne>Or something. Congrats, tj2.
16:07<tj2>seen mysupper recently?
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16:08<zarchne>you can do
16:08<zarchne>!seen mysupper
16:08<dpkg>mysupper is currently on #debian, last said: 'hello guys'.
16:09<tj2>oh how nifty
16:09<zarchne>!seen mysupper_
16:09<dpkg>mysupper_ is currently on #debian (10h 42m 1s). Has said a total of 47 messages. Is idling for 1h 48m 58s, last said: 'I guess I started with too tough way....'.
16:09<zarchne>ah, that's more like it.
16:09<tj2>even better
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16:09<zarchne>Since mysupper proper is marked away, I guess.
16:11<tj2>well.... i guess i am on my own again going diggin in google to fing the best samba tutorial i can get ahold of.
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16:13<tj2>gotta get a smoke in before i get started, take a few deep breath and proceed with extreme caution.
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16:15<Dent>hello does some here know how to check a tablet to see if I installed wacom pen works its just not calibrated right
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16:22<witte>Dent: if you know which device it is (/dev/wacom or so, no idea?) you could cat that device
16:23<witte>Dent: it should produce outcome while writing
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16:24<Dent>well i edit the xorg shout the device name b there
16:24<Dent>forgot what i put
16:25<Dent>witte, ill brb hold on
16:25<witte>Dent: you can see in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:26<Dent>what section would it b under
16:26<witte>Dent: inputdevice
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16:27<Dent> Identifier "TabletPCStylus"
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16:27<Dent>is that it
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16:28<witte>Dent: that could be it, it is just a name, you can call it "banana boat" if you want
16:29<witte>Dent: as long as you do that consistently :-)
16:29<Dent>where theres 3 becuase of the erasor and the click botton on stylus
16:29<witte>Dent: there should be a Driver "wacom" in the same section though
16:29<witte>Dent: ah, dont know, never owned a wacom tablet
16:30<Dent> Driver "wacom"
16:30<Dent>thats right under
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16:31<Dent>Option "Type" "stylus"
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16:32<Dent>brb though gotta go do something
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16:43<james__>I am having trouble with my fglrx to use my gpu
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16:43<james__>sorry about that
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16:45<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati>
16:46<witte>james__: define troubles
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16:47<james__>witte, I run a game like smc or gnubiks and it uses my CPU not GPU
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16:49<witte>james__: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if fglrx is loaded and if there are any problems
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16:49<Kipfal>hi ... hat jemand ahnung von pptpd bzw. error 734 ?
16:50<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:50<Kipfal>sry didnt know :S
16:51<Kipfal>i need help with pptpd please, im always getting error 734
16:51<mzhang>dli: there?
16:51<dli>mzhang, yes
16:52<mzhang>dli: for gnash cvs, I should use gstreamer, right?
16:52<dli>mzhang, yes, gst-plugins-ffmpeg
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16:53<mzhang>dli: I thought it is either gstreamer or ffmpeg... what do you mean?
16:53<dli>mzhang, that's my ./configure parameters:
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16:53<james__>witte, (EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized. whats GPS?
16:54<dli>mzhang, gnash doesn't use ffmpeg package any more, but a gstreamer package: gst-plugin-ffmpeg
16:55<witte>Kipfal: don't know if that is usefull, but there is an error 734 in that faq
16:55<witte>james__: don't know what gps is (graphical processor s..?) but i will have a look at your pastebin
16:56<Kipfal>witte: nope, it isnt useful because it is from microsoft ...
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16:56<mzhang>dli: this is the debian name? None found by apt-cache. I think I have gstreamer installed long ago, but I don't recall what I did.
16:57<james__>witte, ok well thank you. I really dont know what to do.. I have a radeon x1650 on this machine and on another which had debian for a while I have a radeon 9800 and the 9800 machine runs graphics just amazingly.
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16:58<dli>mzhang, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
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16:58<witte>james__: do you have the flgrx module loaded (lsmod |grep fglrx)
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17:00<mzhang>dli: I installed it.
17:00<witte>james__: is your card supported by the version of the driver you are running
17:00<adr3nalin3>Hello, I am new to debian and am having trouble pinging/communicating with computers outside of my local subnet. My gateway is set correctly. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks
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17:00<james__>witte, I dont know if its supported
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17:01<james__>witte, I asked someone what driver I should use for a x1650 and they said fglrx
17:01<witte>man fglrx
17:01<james__>witte, the fglrx module is not loaded
17:01<james__>witte, lsmod | grep fglrx returns nothing
17:01<dli>!tell adr3nalin3 about ask
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17:02<james__>witte, the x1600 series is supported as it states in man fglrx
17:02<mzhang>dli: how to pass -O3 -march=nocona to the ./configure or make?
17:03<witte>james__: ok, how did you install it
17:03<witte>!fglrx one-liner
17:03<dpkg>from memory, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
17:03<dli>mzhang, CXXFLAGS=" -O3 -march=nocona -fomit-frame-pointer" ./configure blahblah
17:03<james__>witte, I went to the ati website and downloaded the .run file then installed it
17:03<mzhang>dli run this at command line? thanks.
17:04<james__>witte, I did that one liner before and I rebooted X server and it returned with a black screen and no errors
17:04<witte>james__: copy that line from dpkg about the driver, paste from update-pciids... until the ...dpk$
17:04<dli>mzhang, or, pass the CXXFLAGS at make, do ./configure normally, then, "make CXXFLAGS="
17:04<witte>james__: can you modprobe fgrlx
17:04<witte>james__: and which debian version are you using?
17:04<mzhang>dli thanks
17:05<adr3nalin3>I have a problem with pinging outside of my local subnet. I am running debian etch, when I try to ping a subnet outside of my local subnet I get "network unreachable".
17:05<james__>witte, lenny
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17:06<james__>update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg < thats the whole line right?
17:06<witte>james__: yes
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17:06<james__>witte, ok ill run it but I dont think it will do anything different
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17:07<witte>james__: i don't know, it should in any case be the debian way of installing it
17:08<james__>No X server known for your video hardware
17:08<james__>I get to that part
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17:08<james__>it asks me to select the driver i want, i select fglrx right?
17:08<dli>adr3nalin3, "ifconfig -a", "route -n", "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
17:09<witte>james__: yes
17:09<james__>how do i figure out my bus identifier for my video card?
17:09<witte>james__: do you have more than one?
17:10<witte>james__: just leave it empty in that case
17:11<james__>PCI:1:0:0 is already there should I leave that and hit ok or delete it?
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17:11<dli>james__, lspci|grep -i vga
17:11<witte>james__: in that case the configuration tool has located it already. just leave it
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17:12<Dent>hello all i am trying configure my brother scanner/printer/fax
17:12<james__>Use kernel framebuffer device interface? yes or no?
17:12<Dent>how can i go about that
17:12<Dent>i tryed lookin online but tutorials dont work for me
17:13<james__>dli, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV535 [Radeon X1650 Series]
17:13<adr3nalin3>dli, thank you route -n showed., SuSE and YaST have made me semi-linux retarded.
17:13<adr3nalin3>so I will add a gateway and that will probably help
17:14<witte>james__: just leave it to the default if you don't know the answer to a question
17:14<dli>james__, then, it's correct, BusID "PCI:1:0:0" . you can comment the line out, if you got only one video card
17:15<james__>witti, ok i finished, reboot completely now right?
17:15<dli>james__, no need
17:15<james__>dli, then restart x?
17:16<witte>james__: just restart your X server
17:16<dli>james__, just restart x
17:16<adr3nalin3>dli, thanks again!
17:16<james__>ok im gunna logout and restart x...
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17:16<witte>james__: ctrl-alt-backspace will suffice
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17:17<FFighter>hey, anyone around use ubuntu?
17:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:18<tj2>!seen mysupper_
17:18<dpkg>mysupper_ is currently on #debian (11h 51m 2s). Has said a total of 47 messages. Is idling for 2h 57m 59s, last said: 'I guess I started with too tough way....'.
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17:18<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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17:20<witte>james__: and?
17:20<james__>I have a black screen on my newest debian computer
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17:20<james__>just black, I hit ctrl+alt+f1
17:20<james__>cant get in or out of xorg or anything
17:20<witte>james__: also on ctrl-alt-f1?
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17:20<witte>james__: can you log in over ssh?
17:21<james__>witte, I didn't set up ssh
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17:21<james__>unless its auto set up on debian...
17:21<james__>yeah I cant connect
17:22<james__>totally black... I'm probably going to have to reinstall
17:22<dli>james__, no need
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17:22<witte>james__: i am not sure if the server is installed by default
17:22<dli>james__, just reboot to single user
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17:23<james__>dli, i did
17:24<james__>dli, putting xorg.conf-o.orginal in xorg.conf's place
17:24<dli>fglrx is hopeless
17:24<dli>james__, try radeon
17:25<james__>ok so re do it but just select radeon?
17:25<witte>james__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:25<james__>or how do I set up radeon instead?
17:25<witte>james__: and yes, radion
17:25<dli>james__, no :( you need the current git version of radeon, mesa, and x11-drm
17:25<dli>james__, also, xserver-xorg
17:25<witte>dli: he does?
17:26<dli>james__, that's pretty too much
17:26<james__>erm hold on let me get my debian machine
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17:27<dli>james__, I ubuntu has the development versions packaged. just some idea
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17:30<james__>yeah cant even get debian to user xorg
17:30<james__>and I hate ubuntu
17:30<dli>james__, fglrx is always a torture
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17:32<james__>dli, what would you suggest doing?
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17:32<kjetil_>How do I turn of mcviews urge to just display elf data when I open a executable ?
17:32<dli>james__, use the new radeon or radeonhd driver
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17:39<Cy>Lo, I'd like to disable GDM (X I guess) starting when it boots up... what ought I do?
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17:39<dli>Cy, update-rc.d
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17:40<Cy> what about it?
17:40<Cy>update-rc.d gdm stop ?
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17:41<dli>Cy, update-rc.d -f gdm remove
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17:42<Cy>dli: ok thats the way I'd already found - it concerned me the post I'd read didn't know the action to put it back after that is run
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17:42<Zyklon-B>Before, I used to have a extract here option in my right click menu, now I don't ... How can I get it back, you have any idea?
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17:42<dli>!tell cy about rtfm
17:43<Cy>ah defaults!
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17:44<EmleyMoor>Heard over a radio once - "How do I connect this thing in the van, over" - "Romeo Tango Foxtrot Mike, over"
17:45<bcochofel>Hi, his there a way to OSD new messages from gajim?
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18:44<mzhang>dli: gnash is fine, for some reason it did not install the plugin automatically so I copied (not ln-ed) them to the right dir; does it happen that still some youtube videos don't play?
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18:46<dli>mzhang, make install-plugin
18:46<dli>mzhang, ./configure --enable-nsapi , which is enabled by default
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18:56<mzhang>dli thanks
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18:57<bigbox>anyone know how to get cwirc to go?
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19:01<jack___>I am trying to install the radeon drivers
19:01<jack___>fglrx has failed too many times
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19:02<dpkg>methinks radeon is a brand of graphics processing units produced by ATI., For chipsets prior to R500, use the "radeon" xorg driver (and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D). Alternatively, the <non-free> <fglrx> drivers can be used (usually better 3D performance/features). For R500/R600 chipsets, ask me about <radeonhd>.
19:03<dpkg>hmm... radeonhd is the AMD/ATI display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets ( Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in <unstable>. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>.
19:03*lupine_85 desires faster progress on radeonhd
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19:04<jack___>lupine_85, I have a radeon x1650 what driver should I install radeon or radeonhd
19:05<lupine_85>I honestly don't know. I'm on my first radeon ever - and slightly regretting it
19:06<jack___>I wish I could get a nvidia
19:07<tj_>hey guys i just logged into gnome and i had an update notify that update "2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch3" what is that?
19:07<lupine_85>I bought this one on purpose, given amd's opensourcing strategy, but I can't really do much with it until I can wean away from fglrz
19:07<jack___>looks like a linux kernal
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19:07<jack___>lupine_85, I cant even get fglrx to work
19:08<tj_><-- has ati radeo x1200... sighs and agrees with lupine_85
19:08<tj_>jack mine doesnt work 100%
19:08<lupine_85>well, mine is a RadeonHD 3650. quite flashty
19:08<jack___>tj_, what did you do?
19:08<lupine_85>but it refuses to work with wine
19:08<jack___>I have a radeon 9800 and i use the ATI driver on my other computer
19:08<jack___>Works like a charm
19:08<tj_>i googled "fglrx wiki" and kinda tried my best to make sense of thier walk-through"
19:09<tj_>i crashed the system completely the first time... i am not talking about x not starting ........ i mean "completely"
19:09<jack___>:( I'm not willing to struggle this hard on stupid video drivers
19:09<tj_>big difference between what you have and fglrx though
19:09<jack___>tj_, If i do the fglrx one liner, the computer just shows complete black
19:10<tj_>i tried that too... didnt work at all for me... didnt crash but i got no improvements
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19:10<jack___>I just wanna play games on linux
19:10<jack___>why is it so hard
19:11<tj_>i also tried the sid repo and it worked but we all know thats not a good idea
19:11<jack___>sid's the extremely unstable right?
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19:11<tj_>reality... Nvidia is probably better hardware
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19:11<tj_>sid.... yes
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19:12<tj_>the sid drivers worked wonderfully... it was the other 50 packages that had to come with it was the problem
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19:13<jack___>ugh I have a radeon x1650 and I really wish to trade it in for an nvidia, ANYTHING.
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19:14<tj_>mine is notebook... i got double holed
19:14<jack___>I would install ubuntu
19:14<tj_>geesh another ubunto dude? whats with ubunto? why is it better?
19:15<jack___>but the ubuntu 7.10 disc I have, which I might add was burnt perfectly... doesn't work
19:15<jack___>tj_, "it makes stuff easier"
19:15<jack___>I dunno I personally hate ubuntu
19:15<jack___>Im just sick of these driver problems, I dont even have 2d support after a day of work
19:16<tj_>LOL... i was talking to a kid last night... talked him into debian got it installed and got his wi-fi working for him..(his original problem) and this morning he tells me he is going back to ubuntu
19:16<tj_>i am like smackin myself for the hrs of help i gave him
19:16<jack___>yeah I know what you mean...
19:17<jack___>If I just got my video drivers to work I would stay on debian, I already have a debian lenny box... I LOVE IT! I want another one... the boxes are close to Identical in video cards
19:17<jack___>ok not that close
19:17<tj_>so whats the real deal? why is debian better than ubuntu or vices versa.. i am a newbie to the whole linux scene and i would like to be on the right track.
19:17<jack___>well ubuntu is based off debian
19:17-!-noflash [noflash@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:17<jack___>and I perfer debian because ubuntu has all these really easy features
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19:17<jack___>like one click video drivers install
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19:18<jack___>which is great, when it works....
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19:18<tj_>hence kid says "but its what all the other kids use"
19:18<jack___>when it doesn't your back do basically doing it like you would on debian
19:18<jack___>meh if all the other kids jack off each other... I would run away from all the cum.
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19:18<tj_>i want what is real and ultimate control... even if i am not ready for it ... i want to set myself up for what is "really" good.
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19:19<jack___>tj_, Well I run 2 freebsd servers... thats the crazy awesome control of everything type of unix
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19:19<jack___>you have to run a command to even take a breath..
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19:20<jack___>Human of the human interface needs air, breath? (Yes/no)
19:20<jack___>Shutting down, goodbye.
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19:20<tj_>kid sends me an e-mail this morning with a "3ddesk" view of his in cube form... he subjects it "this is why ubuntu is better than debian" and so i install it not cause i want it, but to be a smart ass. screenshot for im and send him my rather nice gkrellm set-up too, and subject..."this is why your foot is always in your mouth" LOL
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19:21<jack___>yeah you can install compiz or berli (sp?) anywhere
19:21<jack___>hell I have seen compiz + berli (sp?) on freebsd
19:22<tj_>i just got it off the etch repo... i dont even know what compiz+berli is
19:22<tj_>i'll have to read on it
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19:22<jack___>compiz is the gnome graphics stuff and bearl
19:22<jack___>or berli
19:22<jack___>erm let me look that up
19:23<tj_>i;ll look into that
19:23<tj_>get some air.. i am going for smoke
19:23<jack___>beryl :D
19:24<jack___>ugh anyways I think ill try to get the free ati drivers
19:24<tj_>jack... let me know how that works out.. i might go that route after your outcome.
19:24<lupine_85>beryl is obsoleted these days by compiz fusion, apparently
19:25<jack___>tj_, I hate stuff like compiz, too flashy
19:25<jack___>xserver-xorg-video-ati is already the newest version.
19:25<jack___>xserver-xorg-video-ati set to manually installed.
19:25<jack___>how do I manually install it?
19:25<lupine_85>it's already installed
19:25<tj_>oh... yea that is what i had too
19:26<lupine_85>just change your Device section in xorg.con
19:26<tj_>but if you look at xorg.conf it give "vesa"
19:26<tj_>which i read is generic
19:26<jack___>yeah but you change vesa to "ati"
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19:26<tj_>really? thats all i had to do? <whacks himself up side the head a good one
19:27<lupine_85>with later versions, you don't need much in the way of an xorg.conf at all
19:27<jack___>im gunna restart x
19:27<jack___>if this doesn't work, im going back to windows xp
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19:29<james__>ok yeah im going back to windows xp
19:29<james__>or ubuntu
19:29<james__>probably gunna try ubuntu
19:29<tj_>I have only been on linux but a couple months and i say "f**K windows anything... xp would the the best of them but screw MS like they screw us.
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19:30<tj_>how demanding is this compiz fusion? watchin a youtube from google "compiz fusion"
19:30<james__>tj_, I know but its different, Im a gamer... I wanna play video games
19:31<james__>tj_, its totally up to you on how much you enable...
19:31<james__>THATS WHY I LOVE LINUX!
19:31<lupine_85>tj_: not very demanding in terms of graphics performance
19:31<lupine_85>very demanding in terms of patience
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19:32*lupine_85 ran out approximately 10 minutes ago when it+fglrx knocked out X in the middle of an lvresize
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19:38<tj_>compiz fusion looks neato... but i funno.. my ati card stinks
19:38<alvin>metacitys compositing manager isnt that bad if you give it a try
19:38<alvin>and doest depend on 3d card+
19:39<tj_>i think metacity is already install... atleast its int eh session menu at loggin
19:39<alvin>yes, but compositing is turned off by default
19:39<alvin>its a new and experimental feature
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19:40<tj_>there are a million new and exciting things as a new linux user
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19:41<tj_>so... i can infact use this compiz fusion in debian... and with KDE? or just gnome?
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19:42<alvin>kde too
19:42<alvin>and xfce
19:42<alvin>and whatever you want
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19:42<tj_>sweet i think i will try it.
19:42<tj_>as soon as i get samba working right LOL
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19:52<lupine_85>hmm, yes. I need to give kde4 another shot
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19:57<windtunnel>i cant figure out why an smb share wont mount. i have the debian samba suite installed
19:58<psykiddo>mite need root to mount
19:59<windtunnel>i know for a fact that anon users can access this share
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20:00<windtunnel>actually, i cant get any smb shares to mount
20:01<debian>i'm looking to add windows xp to my grub ... im confused at this part (hd0,0) how do i find out were my xp partition is
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20:08<Blueface>hello ?
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20:09<tj_>windtunnel.. i have been fighting samba all day long
20:09<Blueface>hello ? im having some trouble with virtual terminals ... can anyone read this or do i need to authenticate with nicserv ?
20:11<Blueface>when i press ctrl-alt-fx where fx is in the range 1-6 it switches to a blank screen .. the signal is still there since the green led monistor light is on .. pressing ctrl-alt-f7 doesn't return me to X, ctrl-alt-backspace does the same thing
20:12<Blueface>running 4.0 etch, kernal is 2.6.18-6-amd64
20:12<Blueface>anyone help ?
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20:14<black_13>is there a way to speed up squashfs
20:14<debian>how can i get grub to read my windows partition on sda4 .... what do i add to grub i've been lookin round not much luck
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20:15<Blueface>when i press ctrl-alt-fx where fx is in the range 1-6 it switches to a blank screen .. the signal is still there since the green led monistor light is on .. pressing ctrl-alt-f7 doesn't return me to X, ctrl-alt-backspace does the same thing
20:15<Blueface>anyong help ?
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20:19<ircMonkey>Just obtaining the list of the installed packages; to make a brand new installation but with the same packages. I don't mind about the configuration files.
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20:19<Blueface>hello ?!?!?
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20:20<Blueface>when i press ctrl-alt-fx where fx is in the range 1-6 it switches to a blank screen .. the signal is still there since the green led monistor light is on .. pressing ctrl-alt-f7 doesn't return me to X, ctrl-alt-backspace does the same thing
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20:21<curtis>tj, what up
20:21<wangahrah>Blueface: I had a similar problem, what video driver are you using?
20:21<Blueface>wangahrah: dunno, jus came off a fresh debian install
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20:21<Blueface>wangahrah: but i've got a nvidia card
20:22<curtis>hello everyone
20:22<Blueface>wangahrah: xorg says vesa though
20:22<wangahrah>Blueface: Gotcha, was the same way for me. I don't recall if it was using nv or vesa drivers; try switching to the other
20:22<tj_>curtis... did you do the wi-fi trick on your new install?
20:23<Blueface>wangahrah: how do you switch to nv ?
20:23<curtis>tj, not yet.
20:23<wangahrah>Blueface: i believe nv drivers are included; just change "vesa" to "nv"
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20:23<curtis>tj, i wont need it if my dad will do the sprint card.
20:23<Blueface>wangahrah: kk one sec, do I just change that one line and try? no reboot reconfig etc ?
20:23<wangahrah>Blueface: In theory, change that line, and restart X
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20:24<curtis>does anyone know how to burn an avi file to dvd so i can watch it on my dvd player?
20:24<tj_>you'll need it eventually... i mean those sprint cards are decent.. but its no replacement for a good wi-fi network
20:24<wangahrah>Blueface: I'm not sure why other screens are black, as they arent' using xorg, but, I installed the latest binary drivers from nvidia, and the problem stopped.
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20:24<curtis>tj, i also have the linksys card.
20:25<curtis>tj, no one is answering me for the avi to dvd.
20:25<tj_>ok, whatever floats your boat.
20:25<tj_>what can i say? i am not everyone.
20:25<wangahrah>curtis: there are number of options. xcdroast has a fine gui to do that from.
20:25<tj_>google for it
20:25<curtis>wangahrah, that will burn right to dvd?
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20:25<wangahrah>curtis: Oh, you mean convert from avi to DVD
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20:26<tj_>have you taken a vow to exclude google from your vocab or something?
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20:26<Dent>hello how do i update my applications list
20:26<curtis>wanagahrah, i would like to have the avi. file on the dvd and play on my dvd player.
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20:27<tj_>curtis.. it wont be an AVI when it lands on the disc.
20:27<wangahrah>looks like curtis got tired o waitin
20:28<Dent>do I do apt-get autoclean?
20:28<tj_>as a matter of fact... he is extreemely impatient i wish i hadnt helped him cause he is a lazy kid who wants everyone to tell him how to do everything
20:29<wangahrah>tj, you're talking about curtis?
20:29<tj_>wangahrah yes
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20:30<tj_>i spent 2 hrs or more yesterday on the freakin phone cause he couldnt figure out how to use the terminal
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20:30<tj_>i wont be helping him much in the future
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20:30<Blueface>wangahrah: well that didn't work ... nv doesn't support by video card
20:31<tj_>FYI curtis had debian installf for all of over night then went back to Ubuntu.... so no need for us to help much
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20:34<tj_><--- has a question.. i am trying to set permissions for a folder "/media/storage" which is a mountpoint for a fat32 drive... it wont let me change the permissions for write.... how do i change it if i am already root?
20:35<tj_>by the way... its set rw not ro in fstab
20:35<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
20:38<tj_><--- doesnt understan much of that dondelecaro.. i have it set as vfat in fstab .. my line is [/dev/hdb1 /media/storage vfat rw,user,auto 0 0]
20:38<tj_>i want it accessible by everyone at all levels
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20:40<Blueface>anyone know why my runlevels arent working? they all result in a blank screen with no return (using ctrl-alt-f7) ... signal is there since the green led light is on but nothing is working
20:40<Blueface>running debian etch with a nvdiai 8800gts
20:41<Blueface>nv drivers don't work
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20:45<gsimmons>Blueface: The 'nv' (v1.2.0) or 'nvidia' (v1.0-8776) drivers available for Etch don't support the GeForce 8 series.
20:45<dondelelcaro>tj_: see the bit about umask? that's the key bit there.
20:45<tj_>yes i saw it... but i dont understand it..
20:46<dondelelcaro>tj_: what in particular about it don't you understand?
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20:46<Blueface>gsimmons: exactly, so im stuck with vesa which scres up my runlevels .. i can't install the new nvidia drivers
20:46<tj_>about the user ids and where i am supposed to put them
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20:47<tj_>because i need to be for everyone
20:47<dondelelcaro>tj_: that line is what goes in your fstab
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20:47<dondelelcaro>tj_: and you almost certainly don't want everyone able to write to your fat32 device
20:47<windtunnel>is it possible to browse smb shares through nautilus?
20:48<tj_>for instance i am in root at the moment on another machine and id gives only root info... and yes i do... only on the local network... so my gf will be able to access if from her MS machine through samba
20:48<dondelelcaro>tj_: so create a group that all of the users that should be able to write to it belong to and set gid to the gid of that group.
20:49<tj_>i'll try... thanks
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20:51<windtunnel>i cant even connect to the smb shares on my network
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20:53<tj_>dondelecaro... setting the guid but what about the umask numbers? what do i want?
20:54<tj_>and with the guid i dont need a uid right?
20:54<tj_>windtunnel good luck i am trying the same thing
20:54<tj_>cant get it working either
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20:56<phillipsjk>Tj_ I gather the umask is the inverse of the octal premissions.
20:57<tj_>well i just put in umask-002 and we will see i gues
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20:58<phillipsjk>ther permissions go user-group-world
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20:59<tj_>well, i'll be dang... it worked... thanks dondelecaro
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21:00<tj_>no if i could just get samba to work
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21:00<windtunnel>haha, how it going so far tj?
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21:01<tj_>its not.. LOL
21:01<tj_>i'll let ya know if i die of old age or if i make it before then
21:01<tj_>but then again... i guess i wouldnt
21:01<tj_>hope i make it!
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21:05<cwood>Is it expected that generic -v output should go to STDOUT, or STDERR?
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21:06<amphi>cwood: stdout usually, I would think - -v meaning 'version' or 'verbose', BTW? ;)
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21:07<cwood>wmctrl as distributed in Debian sends verbose output to stdout, and my brain was confused.
21:08<cwood>Rather, wmctrl sends -v output to stderr, bleh.
21:08<phillipsjk>well that makes sense if the program is using stdout for useful work.
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21:11<cwood>Don't see that it is, hm.
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21:15<phillipsjk>If you wanted to use stdout AND se verbosity at the same time, you wouldn't want to both data streams mixed in the same pipe.
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21:18<cwood>The thing seems to spit out some stuff to stdout regardless, and what I want (the window id) goes to stderr. Odd.
21:19<iSupaplex>I'm trying to figure out a graceful way to approach installing wine for i386 as a dpkg-cross package, and all dependencies needed, on ppc linux. Or is there an eaiser way to run wine on ppc?
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21:21<Gekz>wine runs on ppc?
21:21<iSupaplex>ala qemu-i386
21:25*phillipsjk has a pccompatibility card, but it is unsuported by linux
21:25<james__>is it possible to get debian on a palm tx?
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21:33<phillipsjk>james__, no. it is Intel 312 MHz ARM-based, and only has 128MB or ram for storage and memory.
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21:38<james__>phillipsjk, why doesn't my video drivers work ever?
21:39<tj_>ok... here's the scoop.. i have samba up, running, a share made, i can see it with "smbclient -L //samba" but it ask for a password... it will only accept a plank entry its says "anonymous login sucessful" and i can see the share... i have run smbpasswd -a for all users and set passwords but it will not accept them... how can i finish this up and make it work with browsing like in Konqueror?
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21:40<tj_>plank = blank
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21:42<windtunnel>tj, i was able to connect to a samba share
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21:43<tj_>how? windtunnel
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21:43<windtunnel>wait, scratch that
21:43<phillipsjk>doesn't smbclient work like the classic ftp client? (command-line only?)
21:43<windtunnel>geez this is really annoying
21:43<zarchne>tj_: I see no "mount" in your description.
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21:44<phillipsjk>tj if you type "ls" you sholud see remate files.
21:45<curtis>tj, thanks sorry about calling you
21:45<curtis>does anyone know an easy way to burn ,avi files to a dvd?
21:46<tj_>curtis its cool, just dont call her anymore untill you find me in here and ask first
21:46<zarchne>tj_: Are we correct in understanding that you can use smbclient (like ftp) but have not mounted the share?
21:46<curtis>tj, are you mostly on here 24 hours
21:46<tj_>that might be so.. i didnt realize i had to mount it :p
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21:47<tj_>curtis... i am as much as i can... my i am not 1-800 tech support and ask next time
21:47<tj_>i'll block your number if not
21:47<tj_>how to mount it guys?
21:48<curtis>tj, you want me to ask for what?
21:48<zarchne>curtis: Actually, I'm curious about avi->dvd, too. But I would google it and search in apt-cache for dvd authoring helpers. Why don't you do that?
21:48<tj_>before like i said.. it was an xp machine and all i did was share it and then enter smb:/// into konq and there it was
21:49<midget>k3b is a cool burning tool...
21:49<iSupaplex>and termite is a very hot burning tool
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21:49<curtis>midget, when i use k3b i get an error
21:49<tj_>zarchne, and phillipsjk.... i can now see the folder... for somereason after i log in with smbclient then i can see it now... but there are not any contents... there should be 20gb worth in it
21:50<zarchne>tj_: Well, I don't know about konq. I've used smbmount (or mount -t smbfs) in the past, though.
21:50<iSupaplex>curtis: so literally 'error: "an"' ?
21:50<tj_>i'll try anything at this point lemme shoot
21:50<tj_>curtis doesnt get apt just yet
21:51<curtis>yes i get an error trying to burn the avi to dvd
21:51<curtis>tj, what is apt?
21:51<iSupaplex>!don't work
21:51<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
21:51<tj_>i like that bot output
21:52<midget>curtis: Use cdrecord (command line CD writing tool) instead
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21:52<iSupaplex>a useful description of the error might help
21:52<tj_>midget... the command like gets curtis all confused... and me too sometimes... but 0% experience for curtis
21:52<tj_>he is all about GUI interfaces
21:53<iSupaplex>the only reason you'd use an alternative is to isolate specific issues between them
21:53<iSupaplex>cdrecord is replaced by wodim anyway
21:53<iSupaplex>!tell curtis -about smart questions
21:53<midget>tj_: ACK
21:54<tj_>zarchne, i tried "mount -t smbfs" it took the command with no output... where should i look for the mount?
21:54<zarchne>Well, the thing is, IRC being what it is, it's a lot easier to give command line help...
21:54<midget>curtis: Take a look to this tut -->
21:54<zarchne>tj_: man mount
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21:54<midget>curtis: you'll find many ways to burn a CD there
21:55<curtis>okay k3b is not working for me is there anything that can just convert avi to dvd?
21:56<zarchne>tj_: actually, it's probably better to work with smbmount first.
21:58<zarchne>curtis: Actually, we get offended when the program just works, because we didn't learn anything.
21:59<zarchne>tj_: But first, if smbclient can't access the files, that's more fundamental.
21:59<tj_>zarchne... give bad command... must be seperate package.
21:59<tj_>smbclient shows the share...
22:00<tj_>i just am not sure how to tell smbclient how to opent he share/folder
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22:01<zarchne>tj_: smbmount is in package smbfs
22:01<curtis>is there?
22:01<curtis>midget private chat?
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22:04<tj_>oh, well that would explain it.... something happend to my mount for my 2nd drive... must have been when i changes fstab for permissions... somthing isnt right
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22:08<tj_>i'm in!!!!!!!
22:09<tj_>but i had to specify the next folder allt he contents were hidden?
22:09<curtis>i need to burn a dvd
22:09<zarchne>tj_: say what?
22:10<curtis>to watch it on my dvd player.
22:10<curtis>its is an avi file.
22:10<zarchne>curtis, we know.
22:10<curtis>sorry it is for my aunt she has a tv show.
22:10<zarchne>curtis: I'm going to try out ffmpeg and dvdstyler
22:10<tj_>i'm in my share zarchne
22:11<curtis>zarchne, thanks
22:11<tj_>but i had to add the next folder name into the adress the contents were invisible
22:11<phillipsjk>tj_ maybe you don't have read permission for the files?
22:11*zarchne shrugs.
22:12<tj_>weird i know... let me ask this i just dumped a ntfs partition and i need to make one for linux storage... what file system is best?
22:12<curtis>does dvdstyler convert avi to dvd?
22:13<tj_>i am just going to copy all 20gb worth to this new partition untill i can get samba working cleanly
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22:13<phillipsjk>NTFS is pretty good, but proprietary :P
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22:14<curtis>tj, what is samba?
22:14<tj_>i do not want ntfs too much trouble with checking at boot and its a windows file system anyways... if i were going to go MS it would be fat32 .... so if you had to choose a ms fat32 or ext3 native which one would you go with?
22:15<zarchne>curtis: dvdstyler is supposed to write mpegs to dvd sessions. I still expect to convert the avi to mpeg (with ffmpeg) and maybe write the session to dvd (with cdrecord). Not sure yet.
22:15<curtis>okay thanks for the help.
22:15<zarchne>curtis: samba is linux implementation of windows file sharing.
22:15<curtis>,but cdrecorder can only burn cd's
22:15<kop>curtis: samba is file sharing using the protocols that Microsoft uses for file sharing. it probably also includes stuff that's not strictly file sharing, like authentication.
22:15<kjetil_>tj_: well fat32 is a bigass hack so.. strangly enough I would go with ext3 :P
22:16<zarchne>curtis: I'm not sure cdrecord only records cds...
22:16<phillipsjk>tj_ ext3 is superior to FAT 32: it actually support permissions and journaling.
22:16<curtis>would that work with wireless printing?
22:16<dpkg>wodim is, like, a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See about the release notice.
22:16*iSupaplex cuts the wireless cable in half *snip*
22:16<tj_>ok... i have never had an issue ever with FAT.... for years and years and years... so ext3 it is then
22:17<kop>tj_: You've never had to defrag FAT?
22:17<iSupaplex>fat causes uglyness
22:18<zarchne>curtis: if you have a printer on a windows box that you want to print from linux over the net, that can use samba stuff, yeah.
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22:18<tj_>well...yes on the defrag
22:18<tj_>but loss of data... no
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22:18<tj_>i have old 2 and 4gb drives that have sat still for like 5 years and still good when i plug them up
22:18<curtis>zarzhne, what about a mac and i want linux and windows xp to print wireless?
22:19<curtis>would that work the same way?
22:19<iSupaplex>mac osx use cups
22:19<curtis>is that a free program?
22:19<kop>tj_ : There's also the long recovery time with FAT when you'e lost power.
22:20<dpkg>hmm... cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at (or so says, or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup>
22:20<kop>curtis: Cups is a printing protocol.
22:20<curtis>and cups will make the printer show up on the network?
22:20<iSupaplex>real men configure cups on mac osx ala http://localhost:631
22:20<kop>curtis : Cups is network based.
22:21<iSupaplex>autodiscovery is not one of its strong points
22:21<curtis>so if i install cups it will allow me to print from all other computers on the network?
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22:22<iSupaplex>depends on what the clients are
22:22<phillipsjk>kop: 95% of the time no errors are found by the check.
22:22<kop>curtis : Hetrogenous file sharing and printing is always painful for me. I always get it to work (and people here will surely help) but I find it troublesome. Others seem to have no problem, to be fair.
22:23<curtis>so i am going to install cups and see if it works okay.
22:23<kop>phillipsjk : Yup, but that 5% is when you lose data. You lose a lot less when you've a journaled filesystem like ext3 (or, ntfs even, so I hear.)
22:23<curtis>thanks for the help.
22:23<kop>curtis : You may find help in the debian reference (and maybe the install) manual at
22:24<curtis>okay thanks
22:24<kop>curtis: For real help with file sharing, check out the samba website/IRC channel. (If for some reason you don't get enough help here.)
22:24<curtis>what would i type to join that channel?
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22:25<kop>curtis: I forget, there's info at
22:25<curtis>okay i will look
22:25<tj_>so... how long you think it will take to move 20gb over wireless b? LOL
22:26<kop>tj_ : That would involve math using actual numbers.
22:26<tj_>ouch... estimated 11hrs....
22:26<iSupaplex>tj_: that's like eatting around the bones in ice cream.
22:27<tj_>can i hot plug into eth1?
22:27<curtis>tj, took the dog for a walk.
22:27<tj_>about to.
22:27<curtis>tj you use samba?
22:28<tj_>trying..... not working well yet
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22:28<kop>tj_ : Ethernet is hot-pluggable. I forget what you'd to to startup the dhcp client. Probably "ifup eth0", but maybe not.
22:28<curtis>tj, is the printing working
22:29<curtis>i am going to install cups brb
22:29<curtis>wish me luck!
22:29<tj_>no, i havent tried... i take small baby steps and dont move to the next one untill i have a decent foot on the ground... you would do good to do the same.... one thing at a time.
22:30<kop>tj_ : Good approach. Especially when debugging.
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22:31<tj_>curtis is classic windows user and poin-and-click all the way.... thinks he can dive right on in the deep end.
22:31<tj_>would be nice..i'd like to be in the deep end myself... but im in the kiddie pool right now
22:31<kop>tj_ : It's also essential to test that each step has succeeded. You know about stuff like "tail -f /var/log/daemon"?
22:31<tj_>brb walking the dog
22:32<iSupaplex>put the yo-yo down and get back to work!
22:33<kop>Where would I find the .config file that goes with the daily snapshot of the debian installer?
22:33<kop>(For the linux kernel used.)
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22:33<iSupaplex>kop: /boot/
22:34<kop>iSupaplex : After booting the installer image?
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22:35<iSupaplex>kop: all debian kernels keep it there. I'm pretty sure the kernel the d-i uses is from that dist
22:36<kop>iSupaplex : Thanks. I'll have to look. I wouldn't think they'd put stuff like that in the installer image (I'm using pxe boot) just to keep the size down, but who knows?
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22:36<iSupaplex>kop: ask #debian-boot if you don't find it. they'll know.
22:36<kop>iSupaplex : I'm afraid I've not time right now. It'll probably be tomorrow before I report back.
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22:37<iSupaplex>anytime. we hold our breath for no one. :-p
22:37<kop>iSupaplex : (It's gotta be in the source, but I don't know where that is either. :-)
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22:40<curtis>do i need the printer pluged into my router so that it will show up on the network?
22:40<curtis>kop, i did not find the channel for samba.
22:41<iSupaplex>curtis: for autodiscovery? show up on the network how? samba? cups alone?
22:41<Lucky>When creating a user in /etc/passwd for the sole purpose of having a user entered so I later on can use this UID with Samba, should I set the home directory to /dev/null?
22:41<curtis>isupaplex, what say that again?
22:42<iSupaplex>Lucky: you're better off with an invalid directory. /nothing-to-see-here
22:42<tj_>curtis... most printers dont just plug into the router
22:42<iSupaplex>curtis: what router is this?
22:42<curtis>tj, i know the one that i have does not it
22:43<curtis>isupaplex, i have one that my mom bought
22:43<Lucky>iSupaplex: thanks!
22:43<curtis>i have verison fios internet.
22:43<curtis>not sure of the name of the one that my mom got.
22:43<tj_>curtis... just establish a working network first... it has taken me from 8am till 10:45 now just to get a single transfer to take place and i am 100% certain its not set up correctly
22:44<curtis>just to transfer a file?
22:44<iSupaplex>I'd setup the printer on a regular pc. you could set it up on the router. maybe verizon has support too (call them if you want)
22:44<tj_>just to transfer a file
22:44<curtis>what kind of file?
22:44<tj_>it doesnt matter... its taken that long to get it connected
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22:44<curtis>why would it take that long?
22:45<tj_>now i have 11 hrs to make the transfer complete... moving 20gb... should be faster dont know why so slow.
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22:45<curtis>can i make a server out of an old computer?
22:45<curtis>and have it for backup?
22:45<tj_>that is exactly what i am doing
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22:45<curtis>what did you install on it?
22:46<tj_>except i am getting the data off the server untill i work out my issues
22:46<tj_>you better believe it debian
22:46<lastnode>what else is there, right? :D
22:47<curtis>after you installed debian how did you make the server?
22:47<iSupaplex>curtis: old servers work great
22:47<tj_>thats where my troubles start setting up samba
22:47<curtis>all this if for if linux crashes than you have it all backed up correct.
22:47<iSupaplex>my primary business server is 2gb ram on dual p3 933mhz cpus
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22:48<iSupaplex>I'll upgrade it $someday
22:48<curtis>first of all i dont know how to make a server.
22:48<iSupaplex>!step 0
22:48<dpkg>rumour has it, step 0 is install debian for support here, or kindly GTFO. thank you. </public-svc-announce>
22:48<tj_>my server (home storage) is 450mhz PII 256mb ram!
22:48<iSupaplex>well, install debian. :P
22:49<curtis>how do you make a server?
22:49<curtis>is it free?
22:49<iSupaplex>tj_: that's a 150mhz faster than my router. :P oh, and about 200mb more ram
22:49<tj_>everything in debian is free
22:49<iSupaplex>curtis: what's a server to you? everything in 'main' in debian is completely free
22:49<tj_>LOL... thats funny supaplex
22:49<dpkg>i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
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22:50<curtis>so that everyone in my family can back there files up on it
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22:52<tj_>supaplex, is that a harware router or a linux boxrouter?
22:52<curtis>the "it" person has it at school
22:53<curtis>(for all the stupid teachers) that dont know how to use a computer
22:54<tj_>curtis on a scale of 1-100 i would give you a 3-5 myself i would only give a 10 or less
22:54<tj_>for computer literacy
22:55<tj_>so you really dont know about using computers as even i dont
22:55<curtis>so i am not good with computers?
22:55<curtis>i am 15 years old.
22:55<curtis>just wandering how old are you?
22:55<iSupaplex>tj_: it was a thin client running winblowzCE. now it's running openwrt. it has one real pci/isa combo slot, 2 serial ports, lpt port, 2usb ports, vga, etc
22:55<tj_>i would say that would be fair to say yes... at this point... your 15 and can do ANYTHING you put your mind to
22:56<curtis>how old are you?
22:56<iSupaplex>When I was 15, I was no stranger to dos. you're only limitation is your self application to learning
22:56<tj_>but today your trying to put everyone elses mind to your task and not your own so much
22:56<curtis>okay sorry
22:57<curtis>my dad just wants me to get the wireless printing to work
22:57<tj_>i agree curtis probably knows less dos commands than he has fingers.... todays computer learning is almost all graphical..
22:58<curtis>and at the end of the night he said these exact words "you have been on the damn computer all day and you could not get the printing to work"
22:58<tj_>and the fact is... that most of what really goes on in computers has nothing to do with what is on the screen in terms of graphics
22:58<tj_>then you tell your dad... here it is... you make it work...he will be just as lost
22:59<tj_>cause he is like the rest of the brain washed MS users
22:59<curtis>he does not even know how to connect to the internet
22:59<phillipsjk>curtis: a server is simply a computer sharing its resources.
22:59<curtis>and he thinks that everything is so damn easy
23:00<curtis>he has to realize that i was trying my hardest today.
23:00<tj_>i have found that very little is "easy" when you first encounter it.
23:00<tj_>practice makes perfect
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23:00<curtis>we used to have a compute guy come over and do all the computer stuff that charged us 100 dollars an hour.
23:00<curtis>and they did that
23:01<tj_>i wish you had stuck with debian... from what i hear (and i dont know) is that ubuntu is an attempt to take out the real human-computer control.
23:02<curtis>both my mom and dad have gone to bed i would like it to be a surprise when they wake up that the printers are all working
23:02<curtis>and they can go anywhere in the house and print
23:02<curtis>and i can have a nice sunday playing tennis with my father
23:02<tj_>well... you can make that happen quickly in windows... not so quick in linux......
23:02<amphi>that shouldn't be too hard with cups
23:02<iSupaplex>and then you'll beg them for higher allowance. so far you owe us $145. ;)
23:03<tj_>LOL supaplex
23:03<curtis>i dont get allowence
23:03<curtis>i have a job at the local pizza place
23:03<curtis>6.75 and hour
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23:04<tj_>curtis... you really jumped the gun here. slow down, one thing at a time.. and you will suceed
23:04<amphi>curtis: have you looked at cups? it has a handy web interface
23:04<curtis>is there any way that i can assing my printer an ip adrees
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23:05<tj_>curtis... no
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23:05<tj_>you need to set the printer up on a computer
23:05<tj_>and then get the computer up on the network
23:05<curtis>i have it pluged into a mac.
23:05<tj_>you will have to share that printer
23:05<tj_>and point the others to it.
23:06<curtis>and it is on the network via ethernet
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23:06<tj_>in extreeme simple terms
23:06<curtis>how would i do that in linux?
23:06<tj_>i dont know... i havent got to that yet.
23:06<flypiper>curtis, can you browse to the ip it is set up at?
23:06<iSupaplex>curtis: ask #cups
23:07<curtis>type that in terminal?
23:07<flypiper>no.. the ip in your browser
23:07<tj_> .. /join #cups
23:07<iSupaplex>the kid needs irc101
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23:07<tj_>supaplex... agreed
23:07<flypiper>I don't think that is a valid chanel
23:07<curtis>it is not valid
23:08<dpkg>i heard cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at (or so says, or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup>
23:08<tj_>true nothing in cups
23:08<amphi>curtis: there is a #cups on
23:08<iSupaplex>the debian wiki is good too
23:09<tj_>google is my best friend right next to you guys
23:09<iSupaplex>!#cups is lives at irc://
23:09<dpkg>iSupaplex: okay
23:09<curtis>i have the printer pluged into the mac and shared checked
23:09<curtis>i just dont see it on the other computers
23:09<tj_>you have to set up each computer.
23:10<iSupaplex>mac issues are not #debian issues
23:10<tj_>and all will be different depending on the operating system
23:10<zarchne>No #cups on freenode, either.
23:10<curtis>i am trying that on linux?
23:10<curtis>does not show up.
23:10<tj_>curtis do you know how to ping?
23:10<amphi>zarchne: eh? "Topic for ##cups: The Common UNIX® Printing System"
23:10<curtis>i have heard of it.
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23:11<tj_>your not going to make this happen tonight bud.... sorry... not being mean at all...
23:11<curtis>what is the first step?
23:11<amphi>oh, it's ##cups - perhaps your client didn't forward you
23:11<zarchne>amphi: Ah, ##cups.
23:11<mysupper_>hello guys
23:12<iSupaplex>but dpkg is a girl.
23:12<zarchne>Maybe it would have if I had tried to /join...
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23:12<curtis>tj, what is this ping thing you are talking about?
23:12<tj_>curtis... google... my friend... i dont have the time to get into this tonight getting into something i have no idea about as a starting point and i have a special project of my own this evening sorry dude.
23:13<tj_>i wish i could help but its not possible today
23:13<zarchne>curtis: do you have a terminal window open?
23:13<zarchne>curtis: do you know the IP address of your mac with the printer?
23:14<tj_>you will be sending packets of data to the router and the router will reply... you have just "ping" your router
23:14<curtis>and what does that do tj?
23:14<tj_>its a tool to test connections from one computer to another... thats just an exercise though
23:14<curtis>zarchne, i can find out.
23:14<tj_>wont make it print
23:14<zarchne>curtis: yes, find out.
23:14<tj_>but you need to establish that you can "communicate" with the computer that the printer is on
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23:15<tj_>you need to know its IP address and replace that with its IP
23:15<tj_>and if it replies then you can communicate.
23:15<tj_>and then you will need to work with cups as these folks have said.
23:15<tj_>and i dont know the first thing about mac
23:16<tj_>or cups
23:16*iSupaplex watches the <offtopic> beacon go off
23:16<tj_>ya... sorry supaplex
23:17<mysupper_>wow,,btlaunchmany is quite easy and awesome.
23:17<tj_>mysupper... never did get samba working well..
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23:17<tj_>but i do have a transfer going... still have permission problems
23:18<mysupper_>tj_, ok,,let's try on them. would you show me your smb.conf?
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23:18<zarchne>mysupper_: yeah, but I think I like azureus better anyway.
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23:19<mysupper_>zakame, azurreus ,,I heard that, but is it gui interface?
23:19<tj_>LOL dont laugh... though... and i am afraid to do anything with it tongiht cause i have 11 hrs to make the 20gb complete over wi-fi
23:19<tj_>but i will show it brb
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23:19<mysupper_>tj_, :)
23:19<zarchne>mysupper_: yeah, it's a java monstrosity... but...
23:20<mysupper_>zakame, I have no X in my server, I wanted command line interface so I used btlaunchmany and it did a good job for me to gather some mp3's.
23:20<zarchne>mysupper_: stop bugging zakame.
23:20<mysupper_>ah..sorry zakame :)
23:21<zarchne>mysupper_: cool enough.
23:21<tj_>mysupper... sorry i forgot .... i am so tired... i am ont he laptop.. not the server :p
23:21<zarchne>tj_: ssh?
23:21<mysupper_>tj_, ok,,let's talk about it later. :)
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23:22<zarchne>or sleep.
23:22<tj_>let do.. thank you... i hate to turn away your help
23:22<dpkg>hmm... sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk*
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23:23<curtis>okay i got the ip
23:23<mzhang>dli: did you upgrade your kernel to 2.6.25?
23:24<zarchne>sleep is also a quick and cheap way to insert a delay into a script.
23:24<tj_>and ping works?
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23:24<zarchne>curtis: so can you ping it?
23:24<curtis>enter it in terminal?
23:24<iSupaplex>I perfer select() over sleep, as it will not contend with alarm()
23:24<tj_>ping ???.???.???.???
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23:25<zarchne>iSupaplex: in a C program, sure.
23:25<curtis>wait will this mess up the internet on any computers?
23:25<iSupaplex>or perl :)
23:25<zarchne>curtis: WTF?
23:25*iSupaplex ddos's
23:25<curtis>how did you just get the ip?
23:26*zarchne curses.
23:26<tj_>thats not the IP
23:26<curtis>yes it is.
23:26<curtis>thats what i got.
23:26<zarchne>NO, THAT IS THE loopback ip.
23:26<tj_>um..... shouldnt be i dont think
23:27*zarchne slang, just to cover those programs, too.
23:27<tj_>the ip should be something like most likely different routers are different
23:27<phillipsjk>iSupaplex, THat takes skill!
23:27<curtis>oh yoy want the router ip?
23:27<curtis>not the computer ip?
23:27<curtis>what do you want then?
23:27<zarchne>phillipsjk: oh yeah... maybe with vserver?
23:28<tj_>but the router assigns the ip to the computer... unless its a static ip address
23:28<tj_>you need to lean networking fundamentals curtis...
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23:28<zarchne>curtis: is not a valid ip address.
23:28<phillipsjk>zarchne, I don't think that would work as VNCs work at the lan level.
23:28<iSupaplex>zarchne: it's a valid loopback address
23:29<tj_>anyone know a command line for ip info for mac?
23:29<amphi>zarchne: it's perfectly valid
23:29<zarchne>iSupaplex, amphi: yes, but not for this purpose.
23:29<iSupaplex>tj_: ifconfig
23:29<tj_>id didnt realize that worked for mac... never used one.
23:29<tj_>curtis can you get to a command line ont he mac?
23:30<curtis>you mean the terminal?
23:30<tj_>yes... but on the mac
23:30<tj_>not on your gateway
23:30<curtis>yes i can
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23:30<tj_>type in what supaplex gave you
23:30<zarchne>phillipsjk: I'm not talking about VNC, I'm talking about vserver instances, which don't have their own loopback interface (at least in the current implementation in etch).
23:30<curtis>okay then what?
23:30<tj_>what is the ip address it gives you?
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23:31<curtis>i am up stairs now i have to go down stairs to get it
23:31<iSupaplex>ssh ftw \o/
23:31<curtis>what does that mean?
23:32<curtis>i am going to enter it now brb
23:32<zarchne>iSupaplex: if we had ssh working (for the win) we wouldn't need...
23:32<zarchne>curtis: But you probably don't know what to look for in the output in ifconfig...
23:33<zarchne>of ifconfig...
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23:33<amphi>won't the gui show the ip address?
23:33<phillipsjk>zarchne, oic.
23:33<tj_>well even if he comes back with multiple ip's we should be able to determine which one it is
23:34<zarchne>amphi: you'd think so, but so far all he's found is the loopback. Anyway, he needs practice using the CLI.
23:34<tj_>i think we all know he wont be printing tonight
23:34<zarchne>tj_: Did you try ifconfig yourself?
23:34<tj_>on my machine... it works but i am not a mac user
23:35<zarchne>Right, but you get 15+lines of output, only 1 of which is relevant.
23:35<zarchne>tj_: Besides, you're supposed to be heading for bed.
23:35<tj_>yea but its the only one tha says IP with number in that ***.***.***.*** format
23:35<phillipsjk>on my bsd serve the ethernet card is "fxp0:"
23:36<tj_>or maybe 2 or 3
23:36<zarchne>tj_: do you really think he's internalized what an ip address has to look like?
23:36*zarchne shrugs.
23:36<tj_>i will acknowlege that i dont know jack when it comes to linux... but i know some and i know a decent bit with basick physical networks
23:37<zarchne>phillipsjk: is the "inet addr:" bit the same?
23:37<phillipsjk>on my bsd server the ip address line looks like:
23:37<phillipsjk>inet netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast
23:37<curtis>okay i got it.
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23:37<curtis>without terminal.
23:37<tj_>what is it?
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23:38<curtis>is there any way that the people in this chat can harm my computer?
23:38<curtis>stupid question.
23:38<zarchne>probably not, actually.
23:38<curtis>so why would i say it?
23:38<tj_>its not you external ip anyways
23:39<zarchne>curtis: does it start with "192.168."?
23:39<tj_>you have an internal and external ip... outside your house and inside basically
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23:39<tj_>wow.... wrong class too
23:39<zarchne>okay, 10.x.x.x is good too, actually.
23:39<zarchne>I use that myself.
23:39<curtis>what is the differnce
23:40<phillipsjk>If is is a local addres like 10.0.x.x or 192.168.x , no. your public (router) IP ( is visible anyway.
23:40<zarchne>nothing important.
23:40<zarchne>or 172.16.x.x
23:40<tj_>zarchne.... but this means its more than likely static as no modern router will give that class ip
23:40<curtis>okay what should i do know?
23:40<tj_>zarchne... that was almost mean.. but common knowledge.
23:40<amphi>curtis: if you want to know,
23:41<tj_>ping that number
23:41<curtis>ping then ip?
23:41<zarchne>tj_: Well, *my* dhcp server hands out address in 10/8, but I wrote the config myself, of course.
23:41<tj_>"ping 10.0.?.?
23:42<tj_>time out or reply?
23:42<curtis>looks the same as the other one.
23:42<curtis>ttl and time.
23:42<tj_>but it did reply?
23:43<zarchne>What is the ip of the linux box?
23:43<tj_>your network isnt set up correctly
23:43<tj_>its not going to happen bud
23:43<phillipsjk>[crtl]-[c] to stop sending packets...
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23:44<curtis>its not going to work then?
23:44<zarchne>curtis: tj_ needs to get some sleep.
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23:44<zarchne>tj_: that was short.
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23:44<curtis>zarchne, it is not going to work then.
23:45<tj_>IRC wouldnt let me put inmore than like 5 words without my text gettting scambled
23:45*zarchne meditates.
23:45<tj_>you need to re-build the whole network all the computers
23:45<zarchne>Owa ... tagoo ...
23:45<curtis>is it going to work?
23:45<tj_>no its not going to work
23:46<tj_>guys correct me if i am wrong but you can cross communicate between different classes?
23:46<curtis>what exactly do you mean my network is not set up right?
23:46<tj_>that guy you paid like 100 bucks didnt know what he was really doing.
23:47<zarchne>curtis: you want all your computers to be in the same subnet, i.e., have matching ip addresses except for the last octet (number).
23:47<phillipsjk>tj: yes, but broadcasts (like udp) don't cross net boundaries.
23:47<dondelelcaro>tj_: you can with a router
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23:47<tj_>with a "configured" router...not your off the shelf linksys plug and go kinda router.
23:48<zarchne>unless you're actually using the router to route between lan segments...
23:48<dondelelcaro>linksys routers have modifiable routing tables
23:48<tj_>i believe you but the "modifieable" says it all
23:48<curtis>when i go to the
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23:48<curtis>they are all within one didget
23:48<tj_>that is your router which has the same subnet as your linux machine
23:49<tj_>so you can communicate
23:49<curtis>router starts with 92.
23:49<curtis>and pc's start with 192.
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23:49<tj_>thats external
23:49<zarchne>curtis: so why doesn't the mac start with 192?
23:50<curtis>i dont know
23:50<curtis>what can i do to fix this problem?
23:50<tj_>curtis... get 2 computers google and some cables and make a controled environment and learn basic networking fundamentals
23:51<zarchne>curtis: what is the model of your router?
23:51<zarchne>tj_: hit the hay.
23:51<curtis>let me check.
23:51<zarchne>the showers, the sack, or whatever.
23:52<tj_>zarchne... dont i have a right to be here just as you? not trying to make enimies.... but he needs to start at the beginning.
23:52<tj_>in my opinion.
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23:53<zarchne>tj_: Sure, but you've got a defeatist attitude atm.
23:53<zarchne>ultra_n00b: say hi to curtis.
23:54<tj_>that would be your opinion.. i spent hours on the phone with him yesterday supporting him... i know where this is going.
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23:54<curtis>zarchne, it is a netgear
23:54<tj_>good kid... really good kid..
23:54<ultra_n00b>zarchne why??
23:54<zarchne>tj_: ...
23:54<curtis>tj, ?
23:54<tj_>but we have to start somewhere
23:55<zarchne>curtis: can you be more specific? netgear what? (How many ports and what kind?)
23:55<amphi>tj_: you are adding more noise than signal...
23:55<tj_>curtis... my apologies i wish you the best.. zarchne here is more qualified to help you through this. i'm out. you have my e-mail.... goodnight bud.
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23:56<curtis>RangeMax Wireless Router and USB 2.0 Adapter Kit
23:58<phillipsjk>curtis: what is the USB 2.0 kit for?
23:58<curtis>we have the router that verizon gave us also
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23:59<iSupaplex>~lart noobs
23:59<iSupaplex>!lart missing bots
23:59*dpkg holds missing bots to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
23:59<zarchne>okay, wpn824 comes up first in googlle
23:59<stratman4300>whats the prefered way of installing the nvidia drivers on lenny?? i see that the nvidia-kernel-source package is gone as well as nvidia-glx
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