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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-05-04

---Logopened Sun May 04 00:00:08 2008
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00:00<curtis>okay that must be it
00:00<dondelelcaro>stratman4300: use the versions from unstable or similar
00:01<stratman4300>dondelelcaro: okay... that's what i figured... how do i tell apt to pull those packages form unstable???
00:01<dpkg>nvidia_post_etch is, like, update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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00:02<Asics41>buenas noches a todo el canal
00:02<stratman4300>phillipsjk: nvidida-kernel-source package is not available in lenny
00:02<zarchne>curtis: can you surf the net on the mac?
00:03<Asics41>alguien habla español??
00:03<Asics41>necesito ayuda
00:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:03<phillipsjk>hmn. I didn't write the factoid...
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00:05<zarchne>curtis: Are you accessing IRC here from the linux box?
00:05<curtis>what is that?
00:05<curtis>oh the chat yes
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00:06<phillipsjk>stratman4300, (from the nvidia factoid)
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00:06<stratman4300>phillipsjk: thanks :)
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00:08<zarchne>curtis: is the router WPN824, WPN824v2, or WPN824v3?
00:08<curtis>no clue.
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00:12<zarchne>curtis: so (guessing) the mac is connected wirelessly and the linux box is plugged into one of the LAN ports?
00:13<zarchne>curtis: and when you type "ping" from the linux command line...
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00:13<curtis>i have the mac pluged into the router and printer then up stairs laptop wireless.
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00:14<zarchne>okay, so the linux box and the mac are both plugged into the router?
00:15<curtis>no linux wireless and mac ehternet
00:15<zarchne>Oh, oho.
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00:16<zarchne>curtis: and when you type "ping" from the linux command line...
00:16<curtis>hold on let me check
00:17<curtis>i have 2 routers.
00:18<zarchne>the RangeMax has a 5 ethernet ports, I assume the one set apart is attached to the other router?
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00:19<curtis>64 bytes from icmp
00:19<zarchne>curtis, okay, cool.
00:20<curtis>yes so now what?
00:20<zarchne>Where is the other router?
00:20<curtis>next to the other one.
00:20<zarchne>it's plugged into the separate port?
00:21<curtis>go to the thing on the right
00:21<curtis>respond to it
00:22<curtis>curtis in a new tab....
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00:27<phillipsjk>curtis: would you be able to draw a map of your setup?
00:27<curtis>where would i drag it?
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00:28<phillipsjk>It may help if you draw it out just for your own benefit
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00:29<curtis>sorry i was leaning on the keyboard
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00:30<phillipsjk>It may help if you draw it out just for your own benefit. I count 8 devices: (router 1+2, USB adapter, printer, Mac, Linux box, wireless laptop, modem for internet)
00:31<curtis>okay we
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00:33<phillipsjk>or if you draw it in a "paint program" you can use a paste box service.
00:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
00:33<curtis>nope it is okay
00:33<curtis>i will get it
00:35<phillipsjk>from the promo page for WAN router: "up to 500,000 square feet of uninterrupted coverage*" How big is your house?!?
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00:35<curtis>not that big
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00:37<phillipsjk>Of course the little * means you only get 50,000 square feet of coverage of something :P
00:38<zarchne>of course, that's if your computers are all coplanar. 500,000 sq ft is still 0 cubic feet.
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00:42<phillipsjk>zarchne, no. rationale: no antenna is perfect.
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00:43<phillipsjk>things like walls, pillers, floors will act to reduce coverage.
00:44<zarchne>phillipsjk: I'm on your side.
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00:46<phillipsjk>Yes bu 500,000 square feet is more likely at least 500,000 cubic feet. To get that figure they may stack wood floors as well (just guessing now).
00:46<zarchne>I'm trying to imagine, if you have a building with, oh, 10 feet between floors, and a spherical coverage of 500,000 sqft of floor space...
00:47<tj__>zarchne..... i sat back and watched as much as i could..... i am sorry if you felt like i was stepping on your toes..... but did you or did you not suceed in getting him sharing a printer?
00:47<zarchne>tj__: He had to go to bed. I guess he was confined to his room after 12:30 or something.
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00:48<tj__>better luck next time i guess
00:48*phillipsjk looks up "coplanar"
00:49<zarchne>I wanted to try getting more data out of the Mac.
00:49<zarchne>tj__: no skin off my nose.
00:49<tj__>zarchne.... no hard feelings between you and I? everyone in here is very helpful... i was trying to be helpful as well...
00:50<zarchne>tj__: no, it's fine.
00:51<zarchne>Any problems I had with you I already vented.
00:51<tj__>FYI he ask for my phone number... and i felt so bad for him that i gave it to him... he is a good kid.. but he has called me like 4 times outta the blue... he thinks everyone can just give him the magic answer... and he must learn something one at a time.. isnt that how you learned?
00:52<phillipsjk>zarchne, I doubt the signal is a perfect sphere either. from the picture it looks kind of directional.
00:52<zarchne>phillipsjk: Assuming the horse is a perfect sphere...
00:53<zarchne>(uh, that's a reference to a joke about a physicist helping some equestrian breeders.)
00:54<tj__>i actually suceeded in helping him with his wireless card when nobody else could only because i had the same card and it wasnt your typical configuration. and then he dumped his system and started over and called me again to do it all over again what took hours to get him to accomplish.
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00:54<tj__>good night phillipsjk, zarchne.
00:55<zarchne>Just wanted to say that I sure would not have been able to help with the wireless at all efficiently, so I'm glad
00:55<zarchne>for his sake that you were able to help him.
00:55<zarchne>tj__: good night.
00:55<tj__>doesnt matter.... he lost all his work, didnt take notes and didnt remember... back to square one.
00:56<zarchne>But it's still connected?
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00:56<tj__>no... he is using a pcmcia card instead of his mini-card
00:57*zarchne shrugs.
00:57<tj__>ya... thanks guys... night
00:57<zarchne>phillipsjk: 171 ft.
00:58<phillipsjk>You calculated range for a sphere in a 10 story building?
00:59<zarchne>If it can cover a sphere in a paper building with 10ft between floors, that's 500,000 sq ft times ten ft = 5,000,000 cu ft.
00:59<zarchne>no, and 171 is the side length of a cube of 5,000,000 cu ft.
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01:00<zarchne>that would be a 17 story building.
01:02<zarchne>for a sphere, it would be 106ft radius.
01:03<zarchne>so you could have a product that claims to cover up to 500000 sq ft
01:03<zarchne>but is off topic.
01:05<phillipsjk>Hnm the dad sheet is careful to say it may not be compatible with any future 802.11 standards. (claims compatibility up to 802.11g)
01:06*zarchne shrugs
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01:22<stratman4300>heres an interesting question... i've got two linux installs on this machine.... debian and gentoo.... if i'm running debian would it be possible to chroot into the gentoo install and run command line commands in it???
01:23<dondelelcaro>stratman4300: yes
01:23<stratman4300>linux rocks..... that's so cool :)
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01:32<beer>have someone tried to install the nvidia driver with the 2.6.25 kernel (amd64 from sid)
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01:33<beer>becouse when I try the comepilation of the kernel moduels fail
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01:48<windtunnel>hi, can someone help me get sound working?
01:49<windtunnel>im having weird gremlins i cant seem to sort out
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01:51<dpkg>i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
01:52<windtunnel>alsaconf command not found
01:53<windtunnel>i installed a debian base system with xorg and fluxbox
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01:54<windtunnel>i have alsamixergui installed but changing the levels on it does nothing
01:55<windtunnel>it appears to be recognizing my sound card too
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01:57<cahoot>windtunnel: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one - and the correct?
01:57<zarchne>windtunnel: alsaconf is in alsa-utils, FWIW.
01:57<zarchne>and installs in /usr/sbin/alsaconf
01:57<cahoot>(and obsoleted)
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01:58*zarchne nods.
01:58<windtunnel>cat command shows the right card
01:59<cahoot>windtunnel: as noted above you want alsa-utils - will problably unmute and set levels for you
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01:59<windtunnel>sorry im new. how do i run it? i typed alsaconf with root and it says not found
02:00<cahoot>windtunnel: aptitude install alsa-utils
02:01<cahoot>windtunnel: the try (as root) invike-rc.d alsa-utils start
02:01<cahoot>windtunnel: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils start
02:03<windtunnel>alsa util installed
02:03<windtunnel>sound is working
02:04<windtunnel>now here is weird. only headphone controls volume lever. not master. speakers are not plugged in headphone output on card
02:04<windtunnel>this is proabably trivial though
02:04<windtunnel>i have sound. thank you!
02:05<windtunnel>its via
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02:05<zarchne>wonder how you avoided alsa-utils?
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02:05<windtunnel>i think i thought it was already installed
02:05*zarchne shrugs.
02:06<windtunnel>i was surprised when it downloaded
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02:06<zarchne>alsa-base should have brought it in.
02:06<cahoot>you should surprise the system - not vice versa
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02:07<zarchne>cahoot: truism.
02:07<windtunnel>alsa-base was installed
02:08<windtunnel>i also cannot find the .fluxbox/styles dir
02:08<windtunnel>for installing themes
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02:10<zarchne>alsa-base 1.0.13-5 recommends alsa-utils >>1.0.13-1 <shrug>
02:11<Jflesch>¯ /win 1711
02:12<fxiny>windtunnel: default fluxbox styles are in /usr/share/fluxbox/styles . you can mkdir ~/.fluxbox/styles and edit your ~/.fluxbox/init session.styleFile: line to point at it
02:13<windtunnel>fxiny, thank you
02:13<fxiny>windtunnel: np
02:14*zarchne is reading the midi-howto. He has verified that snd_mpu401_uart modules is already installed.
02:16<zarchne>Hm /proc/asound/oss/sndstat says Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
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02:17<black_13>iSupaplex, yo man you awake
02:18*fxiny cutting edge sound card shows the mighty midi device : 0: Yamaha OPL3-SA23 MIDI
02:18<black_13>would you know to use the ubuntu usplash in debian
02:19<iSupaplex>I know how to use ubuntu cds in a microwave though
02:19<fxiny>hahahah rock&roll
02:19<adr3nalin3>they work well as ak47 targets as well.
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02:20<black_13>if i want comedy i will turn on the telly
02:20<windtunnel>i prefer using my m1 !
02:20<windtunnel>ubuntu cd skeet
02:20<phillipsjk>Are AOL CD's so hard to find these days?
02:20<iSupaplex>telly tubby?
02:20<zarchne>fxiny: that of course is my question: is it possible to get real-time midi sythesis with this hardware or do I have to get another card?
02:21<iSupaplex>why not backport sid's usplash?
02:21<black_13>tell me more
02:21<iSupaplex>and who uses usplash anyway? I mean, does linux ever reboot?
02:21<iSupaplex>!tell black_13 -about simple sid backport
02:22<black_13>no i was wondering if sids usplash is more attractive
02:22<iSupaplex>I've never used usplash.
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02:23<black_13>what i am looking for is to cover up the bootup process
02:23<fxiny>zarchne: dunno : i'd ask cahoot . on this old crap box is already enabled , what card is yours ?
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02:23<black_13>i dont want my customers or competitors to have any idea what O/S is being used
02:24<iSupaplex>What I'm trying to wrap my head around is, what's the -L switch really do in qemu-i386? The man page only says "Set the elf interpreter prefix". Is this somehow suppose to address "/tmp/hello_x86/usr/bin/hello: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/tls/ ELF file data encoding not little-endian" and how?
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02:24<zarchne>fxiny, cahoot: VIA 8235 with AD1980 at 0xe000, irq 19
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02:25<fxiny>zarchne: i'm ready tp cp and paste cahoot answer in my notes ;)
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02:25<norbert_>when I want in my sources.list, does that mean I should upgrade to testing?
02:26<norbert_>(kind of a cryptic question, but I guess you understand what I mean)
02:26<fxiny>norbert_: nope
02:26<iSupaplex>norbert_: are you on testing now? bpo is suppose to allow you to use selected packages from another newer dist
02:26<fxiny>norbert_: read bpo instructions
02:27<zarchne>fxiny: um, okay?
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02:27<norbert_>ok, I'm on stable, but I use backports so much that I'm wondering whether I can add it in sources.list... which I can't, so now I'm thinking: does this all mean I should be using testing
02:27<norbert_>*should consider using
02:27<fxiny>zarchne: sorry no idea :)
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02:28<zarchne>oh, gotcha
02:28<norbert_>maybe Debian should advise desktop users to use unstable
02:29<fxiny>norbert_: maybe testing for brand new hardware
02:29<norbert_>or advice people to use ubuntu and focus on the server side
02:29<fxiny>ubu ?
02:29<zarchne>ESR does do that.
02:30<norbert_>because as a Debian desktop user I feel that I'm stuck with, since much what I want to use is not in stable
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02:30<zarchne>norbert_: I'm not sure what you mean by "can't add it to sources.list"... you mean to just pull everything?
02:31<fxiny>norbert_: i use only two bpo packages and i can do without : etch is much better then sarge
02:31<norbert_>zarchne: well, yes, I would like to apt-get update, and then be able to use apt-get install things
02:31<zarchne>I think there's some option...
02:32<norbert_>deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
02:32<norbert_>is that it?
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02:32<norbert_>looks like it... so it does exist after all?
02:32<fxiny>and if i want eyecandy , read kde4 , i'd subscribe to kde-list which is pretty busy talking about kde4 packages
02:32<norbert_>that would be superb
02:33<fxiny>but i don't care : i am converted to tiled windows managers
02:33<norbert_>zarchne: yes, I just quoted from that page
02:34<zarchne>norbert_: okay so you see -t
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02:34<norbert_>maybe the Debian install could ask users whether they would like to use unstable packages when they are not available in stable
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02:35<norbert_>and then make the system add packages when they do
02:35<norbert_>the synaptic package manager could display a warning
02:35<norbert_>this would give people a stable system, but more packages
02:36<zarchne>norbert_: check the bts and file a wishlist as you want.
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02:36<norbert_>what is the bts, the bugs system?
02:37<norbert_>I will do that, I'll suggest what I wrote above as a feature request
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02:40<norbert_>I have only one e-mail address and I don't want it to be visible in the bug tracking system and reportbug says it will be visible
02:40<norbert_>it says this e-mail address will be "used when sending bug reports"
02:40<norbert_>does that mean I can't send a bug report?
02:41<norbert_>it would be nice if Debian had an on-line form
02:41<fxiny>norbert_: i used one of my disposable email once for a bug report : i never got any spam back , it suprise me but this is the truth
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02:43<norbert_>I now use the graphical application "bug buddy", but I can only choose from applications and products and the products list does not include Debian itself or apt
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02:43<norbert_>it would be better with an "other" option, I think
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02:44<fxiny>i prefere reportbug
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02:45<fxiny>but when it comes to bug reports anything goes ;)
02:46<norbert_>it's too difficult to submit this bug, because I don't want to create an e-mail address just to submit a bug anonymously, I think I'll skip this one; I know how to add to sources.list, so I no longer have a problem
02:46<norbert_>thanks for your advice all, cu later
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03:42<aplsin>hello, bad browser ;)
03:42<Lynx>tz :P
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03:43<Lynx>My motivation is not the browser, it is the deodorant
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03:44<aplsin>i didnt know it was a deodorant, would have guessed awesome animal if not bad browser :)
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03:46<aplsin>thank you wikipedia, now i know you (Lynx) live in Australia, New Zealand, Ireland or UK :D
03:46<aplsin>because in every other country the same deo is named "Axe", which i happen to use :)
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03:49<fabio>posso chiedere un'informazione cortesemente??
03:49<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
03:49<fabio>non so come ci si va
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04:25<modnar>heya guys i was wondering if there was a way to rename my interfaces
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04:30<blarson>modnar: see /etc/udev
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04:31<modnar>thank you sir
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04:41<Woet>Im currently using IP tables to insure only me (my ip) is allowed to connect to SSH. Are there better ways, so that when my ip changes (dynamic IP) I can still connect?
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04:41<Woet>I heard something about key files for SSH?
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04:41<cahoot>they do exist
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04:42<Woet>[10:41:34] <Woet> Im currently using IP tables to insure only me (my ip) is allowed to connect to SSH. Are there better ways, so that when my ip changes (dynamic IP) I can still connect?
04:42<Woet>thats what I said before you joined cahoot
04:43<cahoot>Woet: you could always resort to the AllowUsers directive
04:43<Woet>No, that cant be used either
04:43<Woet>because a script of my server ( should be able to login as any user
04:44<Woet>hence im blocking every IP, besides the one of my server and my home IP.
04:44<dli>Woet, "any user"
04:44<Woet>Yes, any user.
04:44<Woet>people get FTP and their own root, using adduser
04:44<Woet>but I dont want them in my SSH
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04:44<aplsin>you have to use hacks to be able to login with ssh without user interaction.
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04:46<aplsin>cool stuff, but i didnt say it was undoable, just that ssh is designed to make it hard to use without user interaction (ie. user typing the password with the keyboard at some time)
04:46<aplsin>and its designed that way to be secure
04:47<Woet>well, a script on my server should be able to login into SSH (as that user), and start/stop a gameserver of him
04:47<Woet>but I dont want that user himself to connect to SSH
04:47<aplsin>beacause if you are going to login without user interaction you have to store the password somewhere, and it's hard to store a password in a secure way
04:48<mohkohn>I upgraded etch to lenny on an intel imac 24 inch. Everything good except it renamed my eth0 to eth 1 and lost wireless
04:48<Woet>rename eth1 to eth0 again?
04:48<cahoot>mohkohn: try /msg dpkg z25
04:49<aplsin>Woet: when is the script to start/stop the gameserver going to be run? when a user says so or on schedule?
04:49<Woet>when the user says so
04:49<mohkohn>The imac worked with ndiswrapper and the bcmwl5.inf under etch
04:49<Woet>so a crontab wont work either
04:49<mohkohn>cahoot looking now
04:50<aplsin>well, make a php-script that writes something to a file, and then crontab a shellscript to check that file and start/stop the server
04:51<aplsin>like a crontab every 5 minutes
04:51<aplsin>else you could write a daemon that checks all the time
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04:51<mohkohn>I really don't care what the nic is called as long as it works. Eth1 is working or I wouln't be on irc
04:51<dorian>speak french ?
04:51<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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04:52<Woet>aplsin: I dont want any delay in the script
04:52<aplsin>or you could setup your gameserver in a chroot jail with just basic tools, and then you can restrict the user who would push the button on the website to that shell instead
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04:52<mohkohn>So my bigger issue is ndisswrapper. -l tells me the drive is there and hardware present.
04:52<mohkohn>But modprobe fails
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04:53<aplsin>Woet: jailkit is a great tool to jail users, been playing with it myself lately
04:53<Woet>that would be nice
04:53<overflow>question: will lenny installer be capable of connect to WAP enc wireless networks?
04:53<Woet>since people COULD use php to go out of their root directory anyways
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04:54<overflow>no one knows?
04:54<aplsin>Woet: works great on my etch-server, even if there is no .deb for it
04:54<Woet>I will try it some time
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04:58<placebo>can anyone answer an iptables question for me?
04:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
05:02<placebo>miniupnpd, a upnpd daemon, set up a port forward. when I use iptables to list the rules, the line ends like this: udp dpt:5353 to: I'm wondering what the -0 at the end means since it's not there when I set up forwards by hand.
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05:05<brunner>hi all
05:05<brunner>what's the fastest way to test to see if a v4l source is working?
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05:06<cahoot>fungerar det inte från ngn av menyerna?
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05:30<less>What is v4l?
05:32<NinjaMan>less: v4l = video for linux
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05:33<NinjaMan>less: note is for video capture primarily (rather than video playback)
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05:36<F00JIN>I'm using debian Etch r3 64bit and I have a problem to extract rar files
05:37<F00JIN>with extra repositories installation of unrar
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05:38<F00JIN>the same line
05:38<F00JIN>unrar: /lib32/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar)
05:38<F00JIN>I don't know what to do :(
05:39<Gekz>you lack the lib32 version of glibc
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05:41<F00JIN>my gcc support library (32bits) is installed
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05:45<maxb>gcc support library != C library
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05:48<tamis>Hello peepz !
05:48<tamis>i have a problem(new linux user)
05:48<tamis>and i have a question
05:48<tamis>any one willing to help me out ?
05:48<less>Just ask.
05:49<tamis>i'm tryng to run this command hdkinstall in the shell to install the toolkit of houdini(3d aplication)
05:49<tamis>i'm running ubuntu
05:49<tamis>if i do source hdkinstall
05:49<avu>tamis, then you're wrong here
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05:50<avu>tamis, this is a debian channel
05:50<tamis>ah how so ?
05:50<avu>tamis, you are not running debian
05:50<F00JIN>all seems to be installed
05:50<F00JIN>and the same error
05:50<tamis>aah oke avu my bad then
05:50<tamis>srry to have botherd you guy's
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05:51<less>#ubuntu is the right channel, tamis.
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05:53<Telegate>anyone experience to enable the sx4000 raid controler in debian ?
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06:27<dpkg>one warez list being sent to woet
06:27<dpkg>i heard flw25 is <nvz> greycat: I dont need it to constantly check it, my clocks are all reliable enough.. some may have dead batteries or incompetant 2nd os's but that can be fixed with /etc/init.d/ntpdate running at startup
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06:36<mohkohn>I have wimax coming into eth0. I want to share it with wlan0.
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06:36<mohkohn>I am running lenny, and triple booting with osx and xp on an imac
06:36<mohkohn>it is easy to share the wireless on the imac
06:37<mohkohn>But there must be a debian way to do the same
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06:38<bcochofel>Hi, I'm using fluxbox and I have some programs starting under ~/.fluxbox/startup. How can I make then start in xsession?
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06:39<bcochofel>I'm trying to switch my window manager
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06:46<brunner>how long does gparted usually take to "scan all devices"?
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06:47<erKURITA>if the drive has faulty sectors, it may take a long time, or maybe never finish the scan
06:47<brunner>never mind, stupid question
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06:48<brunner>does a partition have to be formatted before it can be used to create a truecrypt volume?
06:48<bcochofel>I've tried ~/.xsession with xterm & and emacs & but these apps didn't start. How can I make some programs run when I login in X?
06:48<robert_>hello does anyone know how to set up dialup in gos?
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06:50<erKURITA>I've never used truecrypt, so I wouldn't know
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06:52<mohkohn>How can I do this with debian Lenny?
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06:56<Cy>Hi, I think I know the answer to this but I wanna check... Could I play a 64bit game on a the normal x86 version of debian?
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06:58<suiside>Cy: no, if it has 64bit binaries they won't run
06:59<Cy>I'll be honest I use a lenny based distro (same apt repo's) called Dreamlinux - but only on my gaming box, but theres no 64bit edition
06:59<bcochofel>What's the diff between ~/.xsession and ~/.xinitrc when using gdm?
07:00<cahoot>IIRC *dm's doesn't care about .xinitrc
07:01<bcochofel>cahoot: what's IIRC?
07:01<cahoot>I think
07:02<bcochofel>cahoot: then how can I start some apps when I login on gdm/xdm ?
07:02<brunner>I'm about to order DSL from AT&T... can anyone give me some tips regarding what hardware I should ask for?
07:02<cahoot>use .xsession?
07:02<dpkg>somebody said dreamlinux was a Brazillian live CD based on Debian, <Knoppix> and <Morphix>. User forum is at #dreamlinux @ See also <based on Debian>.
07:02<bcochofel>cahoot: that was my first question... how come the apps that are there doesn't start
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07:04<bcochofel>If I have xdm how can I choose my wm?
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07:12<Cy>suiside: OK can I install 32bit debian, and then apt-get a amd64 kernel... and normal operations continue - but I can run the 64bit game?
07:13<bcochofel>cahoot: ok is there a template for .xsession to use? I'm afraid I miss something like xmodmap, or stuff important
07:13<cahoot>bcochofel: did you read the posting?
07:14<bcochofel>cahoot: I was reading
07:14<cahoot>it says you could put the commands in ~/.config/autostart for per-user settings
07:15<bcochofel>cahoot: that for kde or gnome, right?
07:15<bcochofel>I'm using xmonad and xdm
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07:21<erKURITA>cahoot IIRC = If I Recall Correctly
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07:22<suiside>Cy: basically all you need to run 64 bit binaries are a 64 bit kernel and 64 bit versions of whatever libraries needed
07:22<cahoot>If I Recall Correctly ~= I think
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07:28<fxiny>bcochofel: i've checked awesome , removed cause of ruby
07:28<dpkg>xsession is, like, ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips:
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07:30<bcochofel>thx fxiny
07:30<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm trying to config xmonad
07:30<bcochofel>I'm gonna stick with that
07:30<fxiny>bcochofel: i'll move to xmonad with lenny
07:31<bcochofel>fxiny: the config file is way to much, but I guess it's all for good
07:32<fxiny>bcochofel: awesome is ok but is taking a way i don't like : simplicity is the name of the game , awesome need to be slimed down a bit
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07:35<fxiny>bcochofel: anyway awesome shows many good layouts , but it fails cause it lets user taking too many decisions
07:35<bcochofel>I'm confortable with xmonad, when I understand the config file better I'm all set
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07:37<fxiny>the window manager should know what to do say with emacs and with emacs speedbar , or with the combo emacs browser which most of the time means the usere wnats to paste somthing from the browser to emacs . and so on
07:37<fxiny>bcochofel: you like xmonad ? good . i like it myself
07:38<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, .xsession. Can I have xterm & \n emacs & \n exec -window-manager ?
07:40<fxiny>bcochofel: iirc you should first esce the window manager and after that anything you want . see dwm status bar error
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07:40<bcochofel>fxiny: on xmonad channel they told me xmonad must start after
07:40<fxiny>dwm fails to load dmenu if you running it from gdm/kdm
07:41<fxiny>bcochofel: after ? ok i'm wrong
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07:42<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, but do I need other stuff here, like xmodmap or something?
07:42<fxiny>bcochofel: double checking it
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07:44<fxiny>bcochofel: you run xmodmap to check what mod1 is on your system . for example on my keyboard windoze/mod4 key is missing
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07:45<fxiny>and i like it like this : is a pretty (and heavy) clack clack fantastic old keyboard ;)
07:46<fxiny>less: half a ton :)
07:46*less laughs
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07:48<bcochofel>fxiny: are you saying: xmodmap& \n xterm& \n .. \n exec x-window-manager ?
07:48<fxiny>less: io bought a brand new black silent sneaky hp keyboard just yesterday for my main box : i feel to stick my fingers on a frog head every time i type :P
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07:49<fxiny>bcochofel: why xmodmap ?
07:50<bcochofel>fxiny: I don't need anything more on my xsession? not some config for keymap or something?
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07:54<fxiny>bcochofel: i had no problems with jps debs . can't remember now why i removed it . looking for notes
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08:02<fxiny>bcochofel: did you install dmenu (from dwm-tools) in xmonad ? that could be a reason not to use kdm/gdm . found some more notes : when in kde konsole sometimes i could not su . a backport can be tricky . overall impression was very good . todo left : dzen , xmodbar, kde/gnome on the status bar
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08:02<fxiny>i'll jump on it when in lenny
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08:04<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm not using dmenu I'm using gmrun
08:04<bcochofel>fxiny: and I don't use konsole, I simply don't like KDE apps, and ry not to use them
08:05<brunner>how do I pipe stderr to a file?
08:05<brunner>mybin 1> errors.txt or something like that?
08:05<bcochofel>brunner: 2>file
08:05<brunner>ah, thanks
08:05<brunner>it's been a while =/
08:06<brunner>so if running xawtv causes my whole computer to lock up, this is probably the best solution, right? (run it again while piping all output to a file)
08:07<bcochofel>brunner: if you want to see the errors yes
08:07<fxiny>bcochofel: i dont use konsole either : default config runs konsole that's why i noticed su failure in konsole
08:07<brunner>well how else would I solve the problem?
08:08<bcochofel>fxiny: from where do you start your irssi in screen? at boot?
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08:09<bcochofel>brunner: look at the errors and try to fix then. what kind of errors appear?
08:11<fxiny>bcochofel: never at boot : i use .screenrc to open screen -t bash -t xmms and -t rtorrent in one go
08:11<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, I've changed the default term on ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs
08:11<fxiny>then i run irssi in -t bash
08:11<brunner>bcochofel: I'll know when my computer boots back up
08:11<bcochofel>fxiny: and if you logout and login, there's no problem?
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08:11<brunner>I've never even seen a linux system lock up like this before
08:12<brunner>because of a software trigger, I mean
08:12<fxiny>bcochofel: via a wrapper cause my irssi is chrooted , can winsta users do this ? ;)
08:12<brunner>other than shutdown -h
08:12<brunner>and this works much faster =]
08:13<bcochofel>fxiny: .screenrc has only that line? (screen -t bash -t xmms ...)
08:13<bcochofel>fxiny: I start rtorrent at boot, with a regular user
08:13<fxiny>bcochofel: nope _: C-a d >> detache your session , come back open a term and and reattach : screen -r
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08:14<fxiny>bcochofel: i don't run anything like that at boot
08:14<bcochofel>fxiny: why?
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08:14<fxiny>bcochofel: i keep irssi xmms2 and rtorrent always in a screen session
08:15<bcochofel>fxiny: xmms2? I must learn more screen stuff...
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08:15<bcochofel>fxiny: my rtorrent is in a screen session, but starts at boot
08:15<brunner>my stderr file didn't make it somehow
08:15<fxiny>bcochofel: screen is one of the best apps ever toghether with mutt
08:16<brunner>could my computer be locking up so fast that it doesn't have time to write the error file to disk?
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08:16<fxiny>bcochofel: i was bored the other day so i set mutt using gmail as smtp wit msmtp . mutt rulez
08:17<bcochofel>fxiny: can I have my .screenrc only with the line: screen -t bash -t <other> ?
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08:18<fxiny>bcochofel: i'll paste mine in a sec
08:18<bcochofel>fxiny: ok
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08:22<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, thx. With a .screenrc whenever I login I get that sessions?
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08:22<less>mutt and screen, I must agree on your assessment, fxiny.
08:23<fxiny>bcochofel: yes
08:23<fxiny>less: yeahhh mutt rulez :)
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08:23<less>Been my fave MUA for years now.
08:23<bcochofel>ok, I have a little HW maintenance to do, so see ya in a bit
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08:24<less>I could ctl-a-d this IRC session now and screen -r mutt if I wanted. ;-)
08:24<fxiny>less: 13 files in my ~/.mutt :)
08:25<fxiny>less: last addiction was the gmail send2-hook :)
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08:26<less>Oh, I don't do addictions. Apart grom the general unix addiction of course. ;-)
08:26<fxiny>less: you lucky i am in rehab : from the mouse ! hahahah : i love tiled windows managers :)
08:27*less appreciates the ability to copy and paste between xterms
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08:33<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm back
08:33<bcochofel>I have screen running, but don't know what to do.
08:34<bcochofel>screen -list gives me rtorrent and tty1.desktop (2x)
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08:35<bcochofel>fxiny: I can't screen -r bash, right? How can I attach to bash screen?
08:35<bcochofel>or xmms2?
08:35<less>screen -S bash bash
08:35<klando>hi, someone aware of a video tool working with the new firewire stack ?
08:35<less>screen -S xmms xmms2
08:36<less>First word after -S is just a name, the second word is the actual command.
08:36<less>Control-a d detaches the current screen.
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08:37<bcochofel>less: ok, I have a blue bar at the end with bash, xmms2 and rtorrent (that runs at boot)
08:37<less>Then, screen -r <name> allows you to reattach a detached screen of your choice.
08:38<bcochofel>less: then I must always to those cmds at login?
08:38<bcochofel>I mean screen -S ..
08:38<fxiny>bcochofel: run screen . C-a 0 you go in bash , C-a 1 in xmms2 and 2 in rtorrent . run rtorrent . detach screen : C-a d , now log out say in flux from xmonad , run again : screen -r and voila' rtorrent is still there
08:38<fxiny>same for irssi
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08:39<bcochofel>fxiny: thx
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08:39<fxiny>bcochofel: np
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08:40<bcochofel>Can I put those: screen -S bash bash and screen -S xmms xmms2 on the .xsession?
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08:41<less>I don't see why not, but maybe someone else does?
08:42<fxiny>i don't use .xsession
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08:45<fxiny>bcochofel: you want xsession because of xmonad status bar ?
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08:45<bcochofel>fxiny: yes
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08:47<fxiny>bcochofel: what's the problem on opening a term (or a nice multitabbed mrxvt) and running screen -r ? it will reattach everything
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08:48<fxiny>bcochofel: say the mouse don0t like yoy and shut your mrxvt down : your torrents and irssi are safe :)
08:48<fxiny>screen is not just an admin tool
08:49<fxiny>it should be installed by default instead of nano and nanoids :P
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08:50<fxiny>users are coming dowm from the trees every days ;)
08:50<less>Hear, hear.
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08:53<fxiny>btw i prefere jed to nano , of course i don't use jed menu but is much better then nano
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08:54*less is old school and exclusively uses vi
08:54<less>And sometimes ed, when all else fails. ;-)
08:54<tj__><--------rolls outta bed, yawns, rubs eyes, starts cofee. Hello Everyone
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08:55<fxiny>tj__: he
08:55<less>ed comes in handy when the box won't boot because of a boo-boo in /etc/fstab. ;-)
08:56<tj__>ah yes, another day of the woman complaining about how i love my computer more than her.
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08:56<less>Wimmin. ;-)
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08:57<tj__>brb... restarting IRC... Graphics acting wird... guess my computer didnt sleep well.
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09:01<tj_>!seen mysupper
09:01<dpkg>mysupper is currently on #debian, last said: 'hello guys'.
09:02*fxiny while wasting time in chan . reads a red cat_osd output line : Accepted python2.4 2.4.4-3+etch1 :)
09:02<tj_>less.... you meaning me? i didnt get what you wrote
09:02<fxiny>yahhh i am proud of my little trick to get mail messages via osd_cat
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09:03<less>tj_: wb, just an innocent greeting (welcome back).
09:03<fxiny>just the subject line :)
09:04<tj_>oh thanks... percieved as write back... sorry...
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09:04<less>np (no problem ;-)
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09:04<tj_>coffee is done yay.
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09:11<tj_>so i guess.... now that i am a linux user... i can go though my storage drive and dump all those pesky .exe files i have collected over the years huh?
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09:12<EmleyMoor>tj_: If you can do all you want without them, yes.
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09:13<tj_>should free up some real space... nice
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09:21<bcochofel>fxiny: must I see this blue bar at the end of the screen whenever I use irssi? :)
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09:24<bcochofel>fxiny: can I use that good osd to see my IM messages?
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09:30<fxiny>bcochofel: remove the first three lines from .screenrc
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09:33<tj_><---- doesnt quite undersand all these permissions limitations.... I tried to move the entire contents of a harddrive 20gb and i only eneded up with 14... assuming to permission limitations....
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09:40<fxiny>bcochofel: remove the first three lines from .screenrc
09:41<bcochofel>fxiny: why?
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09:41<fxiny>to get rid of unwantred "blue line"
09:42<hever>Hi I'm going to get the n first characters out of a textfile... My grep doesn't support -P so it doesn't support good backtracking and I doesn't know how I could access submatches so what is a easy way to get just N first characters for each line ?
09:42<bcochofel>fxiny: one more thing, I've noticed that I detach my irssi screen and then it was not there
09:42<bcochofel>Maybe I did something wrong, let me try again
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09:43<TonyTone17>does anyone know how to enable just traffic on port 80 with iptables?
09:43<hever>more file | CMDtoGETnCHARs > file2 ;)
09:43<bcochofel>Well, guess it's all ok
09:44<bcochofel>fxiny: besides the X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). that appears
09:44<fxiny>bcochofel: detaching
09:44<bcochofel>fxiny: how did you handle osd and you new mail?
09:44<fxiny>bcochofel: here again :)
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09:45<bcochofel>fxiny: when I detach I see the last line on irssi, is it normal?
09:45<bcochofel>Now I have 2 status bar
09:45<fxiny>bcochofel: easy : cron + perl use Net::POP3; + osd_cat
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09:46<bcochofel>fxiny: can I use that osd_cat for my gajim messages?
09:46<fxiny>bcochofel: i'd rather use bitlbee
09:46<fxiny>dunno if yahoo been fixed
09:47<bcochofel>fxiny: what's that?
09:47<fxiny>bcochofel: bitlbee ? is perfect when you are ircing : look into it
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09:49<bcochofel>fxiny: does it come with etch?
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09:50<bcochofel>fxiny: one more thing to config...
09:51<fxiny>bcochofel: check if yahoo works again. it wasn't last time i've checked it
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09:52<bcochofel>fxiny: I don't use yahoo. I use a jabber server on my homework. Don't know if I can use this
09:52<fxiny>yes , jabber works
09:53<fxiny>just yahoo died , afaik
09:53<bcochofel>fxiny: but I need a transport for the msn account, on the jabber
09:53<fxiny>msn works
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09:54<bcochofel>fxiny: I don't connect to msn, I connect to msn using the jabber transport
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09:54<bcochofel>do you use irssi to IM accounts?
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09:56<fxiny>bcochofel: what you have to do is connecting your irssi client to 6668 , identify and set your amsn account on .
09:56<fxiny>bcochofel: i have it buzzing on a vserver . running a normal kernel atm
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09:58<fxiny>bcochofel: so usually i connect to a virtual ip from this already jailed irssi . it seems wierd but works like a charm
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10:00<bcochofel>server add localhost 6668 doesn't give me any server
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10:01<fxiny>bcochofel: edit /etc/inetd.conf >> 6668 stream tcp nowait bitlbee /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/bitlbee , restart inetd then /connect localhost 6668
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10:03<fxiny>bcochofel: check /var/lib/bitlbee permissions , it should be : # chown bitlbee.nogroup /var/lib/bitlbee/*
10:03<bcochofel>ok, 6667 not 6668
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10:04<fxiny>6667 is already taken
10:04<bcochofel>I'm connected to 6667 and I'm in the channel
10:04<fxiny>in this chan yes , but bitlbee buzz in 6668
10:05<fxiny>edit inetd
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10:08<dave_>hello friends
10:08<dave_>can you help with this
10:08<dave_>: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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10:08<dave_>trying install!!
10:08<amphi>what gives you that error?
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10:09<dave_>when i gonna install the ./java_ee_sdk-5_04-linux-ml.bin
10:10<azeem>dave_: why do you install that?
10:10<azeem>dave_: which architecture, and which version of Debian?
10:10<dave_>i386 debian etch
10:11<azeem>dave_: there's java packages in non-free
10:11<azeem>or is java_ee_sdk something special?
10:12<dpkg>java is probably a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
10:12<dave_>i work with this
10:12<witte>!install java
10:12<dpkg>Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>.
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10:15<dave_>this lib where i can find it, aptitude <- can't !
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10:16<amphi>dave_: try searching with apt-file
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10:16<dave_>give me stream
10:17<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm using my msn account in irssi :)
10:17<fxiny>bcochofel: debian rulez ! :)))
10:17<Gekz>no wai
10:18<bcochofel>fxiny: should I change the port? it's running fine on 6667
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10:20<fxiny>yes you should , edit bitlbee conf
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10:20<Gekz>port 1337
10:23<bcochofel>my OSD doesn't work on the windows from bitlbee :(
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10:24<aplsin>what DOES your OSD work on?
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10:24<fxiny>bcochofel: just edit inetd , my bitlbee.conf is commented
10:25<bcochofel>fxiny: I guess my OSD doesn't work on the screen session, is it possible?
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10:26<fxiny>bcochofel: osd ?
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10:31<fxiny>bcochofel: this is a good starting point :
10:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 356] by debhelper
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10:32<fxiny>bcochofel: then google for "use Net::POP3;" and you are done
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10:35<bcochofel>fxiny: comes with irssi-scripts
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10:36<fxiny>bcochofel: no idea . i set irssi up with the last ice age and i never looked back ;)
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10:37<bcochofel>fxiny: I like when someone writes me something to be notified and gives me that
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10:38<bcochofel>so I was trying to get a way with IM for the xmonad experience, since it "doesn't have" status bar
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10:39<fxiny>bcochofel: i use cron for that : no one can tell me anymore "you did not read my email message cause you were watching pr0n" . osd cat displays on the top of the top :P
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10:40<salvin>anyone use ext4?
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10:54<cahoot>probably - I'd take a chance in #gentoo
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11:00<curtis>is there any way that i can burn an avi file to dvd?
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11:03<curtis>can anyone help me?
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11:05<velixzeen>I have a card reader on an etch box that doesn't get the /dev/entries created. Can someone assist me?
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11:05<cahoot>curtis: turned up this among others:
11:06<witte>curtis: k3b for burning dvd's, but maybe you also want dvdauthor
11:06<velixzeen>If I manually create /dev/sdc1 then it reads the flash volume just fine.
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11:07<curtis>witte, where is the best place to download dvdauthor
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11:07<curtis>i am willing to buy a program to get this done.
11:08<witte>curtis: dvdauthor is open source and packaged in debian (use synaptic to install it)
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11:08<witte>curtis: at least i think
11:08<witte>one second
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11:08<curtis>witte, yes i installed it
11:09<curtis>witte, will this convert or just burn the avi?
11:09<velixzeen>marillat maintains qdvdauthor, a gui frontend.
11:10<witte>curtis: did you have a look at the link that was given to you by cahoot
11:12<curtis>wittee, yes but that is confussing
11:12<cahoot>curtis: you use debian?
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11:13<witte>curtis: what is confusing about it?
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11:14<curtis>nothing i installed both
11:14<cahoot>curtis: if you read you'll see there are only three steps involved
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11:14<curtis>to burn or convert?
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11:15<cahoot>ffmpeg -i film.avi -aspect 4:3 -target pal-dvd dvd.mpg - would correspond to the convert step - no?
11:16<witte>curtis: the entire process: convert and burn, takes 3 steps, read the page cahoot gave you, and if you have concrete questions, just ask, but it is really not that difficult
11:16<witte>curtis: your native language is english, right?
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11:17<tj_>hello curtis... sorry.. was in another channel... compiz-fusion in freenode
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11:20<curtis>tj, hi
11:21<tj_>hello.. how are ya today?
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11:23<curtis>go into the private chat thing.
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11:37<split>i want to install graphik drivers for a ati 3870 card on amd64 debian, where can i get working drivers?
11:37<abrotman>!fglrx one-liner
11:37<dpkg>from memory, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
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11:39<snama>no nothing i just said hello
11:40<split>:D not you ^^ just go back in time and join the chan 2 mins earlyer and u can read what i answerd :D
11:41<split>sry, hello in the first place ! :D
11:41<split>abrotman whats fglrx?
11:41<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati>
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11:42<snama>when i had my radeon 9250
11:42<snama>i always used the open source driver
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11:42<snama>it worked good
11:42<abrotman>yes .. it did .. now you got a new card
11:42<snama>i use nvidia now
11:42<snama>and the open source driver is not so good at this point
11:43<snama>so i use the proprietary one now
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11:43<snama>hope though that nvidia releases the code for it
11:43<split>abrotman i`ll try that later :)
11:44<snama>would benefit the linux community alot
11:44<snama>integration with X?
11:44<curtis>anyone have a video converter for linux
11:44<snama>or better integration i mean
11:44<curtis>that will convert to dvd?
11:44<snama>you can use avidemux
11:44<snama>and then mandvd
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11:46<snama>man debian is good
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11:47<snama>debian is excellent
11:47<snama>almost flawless
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11:47<curtis>snama, where do i download mandvd?
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11:48<snama>you can use debian multimedia repository
11:48<dpkg>well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
11:48<snama>there you have mandvd
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11:49<curtis>is there an email for the people that run debian and or ubuntu?
11:49<snama>i should try those !words
11:49<dpkg>i guess debian is See
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11:49<dpkg>i heard tux is a like, a cute cuddly penguin. Worship him. the logo of Linux, or the linux logo because once, while on vacation in the southern hemisphere, Linus Torvalds was bitten on the hand by a penguin!
11:50<dpkg>rumour has it, linux is closed
11:50<dpkg>fortune is probably a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement
11:50<abrotman>snama: STOP
11:50<snama>ok sorry
11:50<snama>i got a visit from the dpkg bot
11:51<dpkg>i heard inittab is the file where you configure the "init" program. there you setup the basic startup routines. dont play with it if you dont know what you do or you will have a happy floppy rescue party!
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11:51<mik>hi who can help me with postfix?
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11:51<dpkg>[postfix] a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike <sendmail> so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at or #postfix @
11:52<abrotman>!msg the bot
11:52<dpkg>it has been said that msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit to learn how to effectively use the factoids database
11:52<dpkg>it has been said that postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike <sendmail> so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at or #postfix @
11:52<abrotman>STOP WITH THE BOT
11:52<snama>cmon abrotman
11:52<snama>its there to be used
11:52<abrotman>msg the bot if you want to play with it
11:53<snama>well mik didnt play with it
11:53<snama>he wanted info
11:53<abrotman>or #debian-bots
11:53<abrotman>snama: he repeated something someone ask for a minute earlier
11:53<witte>curtis: did you at least try the dvdauthor link that was provided to you earlier?
11:53<snama>well what if he wasnt online by then?
11:53<curtis>yes and that did not work
11:53<witte>curtis: did not work in what sence?
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11:53<snama>forget it
11:54<curtis>is there a program that will just burn the damn thing to a dvd
11:54<snama>mandvd will
11:55<witte>curtis: what do you want: do you want it so that it plays on a standalone dvd? or just that it is on it
11:55<snama>curtis: just use mandvd
11:55<snama>it does it all
11:55<snama>its just a frontend ofcourse
11:55<snama>but its easy
11:55<curtis>i would like to watch the movie on my dvdplayer
11:56<snama>you can make dvd-player-playable with mandvd
11:56<snama>its what it is made for
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11:57<curtis>i have a big screen tv and want to watch it on there.
11:57<snama>curtis: YES you can do that with mandvd
11:57<curtis>can you give the installation file it self please
11:57<cahoot>he's been on about for an hour by now
11:58<snama>curtis: add the debian multimedia repository in your sources.list file
11:58<snama>and install mandvd through apt
11:58<curtis>i have ubuntu
11:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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11:58<snama>look at getdeb
11:58<snama>there it is
11:59<cahoot>curtis: you use debian? - remeber this question ?
11:59<snama>and then there is a ubuntu channel
11:59<curtis>well yes on a sepreat hd
11:59<snama>the channel is on a seperate HD?
11:59<abrotman>curtis: which system are you trying to get help with? Debian or Ubuntu ?
11:59<snama>ohh sorry
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11:59<abrotman>curtis: then ask #ubuntu
11:59<snama>go to an ubuntu channel
12:00<curtis>i am banded
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12:00<abrotman>not our problem
12:00<@Ganneff>you will be banned here too if you ask ubuntu stuff
12:00<abrotman>curtis: there is #ubuntu on OFTC and on freenode
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12:00<curtis>is there anyway to get unbanded?
12:00<abrotman>ask their ops .. not us
12:00<abrotman>snama: stop
12:01<witte>curtis: first start to think why you are banned, it wont be for no reason...
12:01<snama>and then visit that link and give us peace
12:02<snama>and then ofcourse there is google
12:02<snama>always there for you
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12:04<dave_>hey! let down
12:04<black_13>Ganneff, i want to convert some of the things in ubuntu to be used in debian is that a problem or discussion?
12:05<@Ganneff>black_13: it doesnt fit in here.
12:05<black_13>where then
12:07<dave_>some else! to help with etch
12:07<witte>black_13: there is a #debian-ubuntu i believe
12:08<black_13>witte i want my usplash to look like ubuntus but i want to use debian tools and debian packages
12:08<witte>black_13: and search for utnubu
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12:09<witte>black_13: ah, i remember your question earlier
12:09<black_13>witte i am getting closer
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12:10<Supaplex>black_13: how long have you tried to do this?
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12:10<black_13>well for a while but work work takes me away
12:10<Supaplex>20 minutes? 2 days? a year?
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12:10<Guest3075>hello! what's de command for know what HD is mounted and where?
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12:11<Supaplex>Guest3075: mount
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12:11<black_13>Supaplex, here and there
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12:11<black_13>i have the theme work sorta
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12:12<witte>dpkg: utnubu is One of Ubuntu's activities is frequently copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. Well, Utnubu is about the reverse, copying packages from Ubuntu to Debian. Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian Project. Visit
12:12<dpkg>okay, witte
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12:12<dpkg>i guess utnubu is One of Ubuntu's activities is frequently copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. Well, Utnubu is about the reverse, copying packages from Ubuntu to Debian. Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian Project. Visit
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12:13<black_13>witte thanks
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12:13<witte>dpkg no utnubu is One of Ubuntu's activities is frequently copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. Well, Utnubu is about the reverse, copying packages from Ubuntu to Debian. Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian Project. Visit or maybe you want to visit #debian-ubuntu
12:13<dpkg>witte: okay
12:13<fxiny>utnubu ? it sounds like the clown far*ing in the sink
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12:14<witte>fxiny: :-), i did not choose the name (i am totally not involved even)
12:15<fxiny>witte: yeahh i know that :)
12:15<mik>eho can help me with postfix and bind ?
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12:15<Supaplex>!seen eho
12:15<dpkg>i haven't seen 'eho', Supaplex
12:15<Supaplex>mik: eho can't help if s/he's not here
12:15<zarchne>mik: #postfix on freenode.
12:15<black_13>how does usplash transition to xorg ?
12:16<Supaplex>black_13: apt-get source and find out
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12:20<fxiny>witte: btw , aliens still attacking your area ? :)))
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12:30<Mister_K>I have a question...
12:31<snama>can anyone help me st up usplash to show the tux logo at startup
12:31<Mister_K>in grub menu?
12:31<snama>mister_k: what question?
12:32<snama>no i think ill make it
12:32<snama>what question?
12:32<Mister_K>I don't remember howto download kernel-source
12:32<snama>there are sources on the repos
12:32<Mister_K>apt-get install kernel-source 2.6.x... NO... beacuse I don't have a repository that have this
12:33<abrotman>apt-cache search linux-source
12:33<lastnode>Mister_K: deb-src needs to be enabled
12:33<lastnode>in your sources.list
12:33<lastnode>oh no
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12:33<lastnode>sorry, what abrotman said
12:33<lastnode>my bad
12:33<Mister_K>yeah... I have my sources.list full... but it dont find
12:33<abrotman>apt-cache search linux-source
12:33<Mister_K>ok I try
12:34<lastnode>snama: there are loads of howtos out there. try google.
12:34<Mister_K>But I need download the kernel sources
12:34<Mister_K>no search, beacuse isn't in my hdd
12:34<lastnode>kernel source == linux-source
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12:35<lastnode>i meant kernel source is in linux-source* packages
12:35<lastnode>use apt-cache search to search the repos for it
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12:37<Mister_K>It don't find nothing...
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12:39<Mister_K>debian:/etc/apt# uname -a
12:39<Mister_K>Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 08:33:59 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
12:39<Mister_K>I need kernel source: 2.6.18
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12:39<Mister_K>In google I have seen: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.18
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12:40<Mister_K>but I don't have this repos and with apt-cache I don't find
12:40<fxiny>apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18
12:40<Mister_K>ok ;)
12:40<Mister_K>debian:/etc/apt# apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18
12:40<Mister_K>Reading package lists... Done
12:40<Mister_K>Building dependency tree... Done
12:40<Mister_K>E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.18
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12:41<Mister_K>debian:/etc/apt# apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18
12:41<Mister_K>Reading package lists... Done
12:41<Mister_K>Building dependency tree... Done
12:41<Mister_K>E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.18
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12:42<abrotman>if at first you don't succeed, fail fail again ..
12:42<mrk_>yes... I was been kicked
12:42<JoshOvki>if at first you dont succeed sky diving is not for you.
12:42<abrotman>mrk_: paste your sources.list in a pastebin
12:42<mrk_>by write this... and I dont knew If it was arriving t
12:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:43<JoshOvki>mrk_ what do you get if you apt-cache search linux-source-2 ?
12:43<mrk_>here :)
12:43<abrotman>mrk_: that's it?!
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12:43<mrk_>join ;)
12:43<abrotman>join what?
12:43<mrk_>in this site
12:43<abrotman>those are not valid sources.list to run stuff
12:44<abrotman>put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin at
12:44<mrk_>what sources.lits do u recomend me?
12:44<mrk_>ok wait
12:44<fxiny>one line to source 'em all :P
12:45<mrk_>JoshOvki: nothing :S
12:45<JoshOvki>mrk_: apt-cache search linux-source ?
12:45<fxiny>mrk_: as the sourcerer said , here you are : deb-src etch main contrib non-free
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12:45<abrotman>it doesn't require a deb-src line
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12:46<abrotman>!info linux-source-2.6.18
12:46<abrotman>!info linux-source-2.6.18 etch
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12:47<fxiny>why i wrote non-free ? argggg
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12:47<dpkg>linux-source-2.6.18: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.18 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 41193 kB, Installed size: 41296 kB
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12:47<abrotman>mrk_: did you get it pasted yet?
12:47<mrk_>wait 1 min plz :$
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12:48<curtis>tj, what up
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12:48<curtis>when i open the avi file to watch it everything freezes up
12:48<abrotman>curtis: is this on ubuntu?
12:49<abrotman>curtis: you are going to get *banned* from this channel if you ask about Ubuntu here, stop
12:49<black_13>are there ways to customize an initial ram disk?
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12:49<curtis>i did not ask about ubuntu i asked about using an avi fike
12:49<fxiny>i bet you asked about debian when in #ubu :P
12:49<abrotman>black_13: yes
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12:49<abrotman>curtis: stop asking here, last warning
12:50<abrotman>curtis: if you want help here, install Debian
12:50<curtis>big crap shut yout face
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12:50<black_13>abrotman, there are tools to do this with
12:50-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*] by abrotman
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12:51<abrotman>black_13: probably the initramfs stuff /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools/
12:52<abrotman>black_13: though you haven't said what you're trying to do, so that's just a guess
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12:53<black_13>chage this "exec run-init ${rootmnt} ${init} "$@" <${rootmnt}/dev/console >${rootmnt}/dev/console"
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12:55<mrk_>abrotman: can I download with this?
12:56<abrotman>mrk_: okay, your sources don't match your kernel, what are you trying to do?
12:57<mrk_>abrotman: install lastest alsa firmware, drivers, lib etc utils
12:57<abrotman>mrk_: what's your CPU ?
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12:57<black_13>abrotman, i want to do this
12:58<mrk_>abrotman: intel pentium 4, 3,2 Ghz... 1 GB ram... 250 GB hdd...
12:58<tj__>well... guys... i hate to say it i am going to try Ubuntu... but do not fear! this is still home for me... I am just replacing my vista partition with Ubuntu..
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12:58<tj__>curiousity got the best of me
12:58<abrotman>mrk_: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686
12:58<abrotman>tj__: okay, have fun
12:59<black_13>abrotman, was the why for me?
13:01<black_13>wouldnt that basically send all text from the kernel to never never land?
13:02<abrotman>but why? those are useful messages
13:02<abrotman>black_13: you're going to have read the documentation i suppose
13:02<black_13>ok instead of that send it to a file or device file?
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13:03<black_13>how would i change this line or any line of the init script ?
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13:05<abrotman>mrk_: don't msg me
13:05<mrk_>abrotman: ok
13:05<abrotman>mrk_: either add stable sources or upgrade your kernel .. take your pick .. you're being very vague about what you're trying to do
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13:06<black_13>abrotman, what i want to do is prevent all bootup text from going to the console or the first console
13:06<mrk_>abrotman: but upgrading kernel will not take sources...
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13:07<abrotman>mrk_: apt-cache search linux-source .. you sohuld get a few
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13:09<gallois>hello all, i just wanna know if anyone here using the 2.6.24 kernel (with cfs) noticed any big difference in performance. i couldn't find enough good reviews of it googleing. i'll have to recompile some modules (the actual problem is the ati one, i fear it will break again) so i'm a bit affraid of downloading it. is it really that better?
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13:09<mrk_>abrotman: ok, thnx ;) I got it, no my version, but got it :D
13:10<abrotman>luckily i told you that awhile ago :)
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13:14<gallois>hello all, i just wanna know if anyone here using the 2.6.24 kernel (with cfs) noticed any big difference in performance. i couldn't find enough good reviews of it googleing. i'll have to recompile some modules (the actual problem is the ati one, i fear it will break again) so i'm a bit affraid of downloading it. is it really that better?
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13:32<snama>just out of curiosity
13:32<snama>how long have you people been using debian?
13:32<snama>and linux overall
13:32<wayneward_>me over 8 years!
13:32<snama>hehe nice
13:33<alephnull>!bad polls
13:33<dpkg>The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD!, or 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian
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13:33<snama>the bot message was massive waste of screen real estate
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13:35<guillaume>collectd : Starting statistics collection and monitoring daemon: collectdinvoke-rc.d: initscript collectd, action "start" failed. SID : version 4.3.2-1+b1 amd64
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13:47<mik>hi everybody i have problem with postfix can somebody help me?
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13:47<less>Just ask.
13:48<mik>i can received email but not send
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13:48<mik>type=MX: Host not found, try again
13:48<docteur2005>hi debian community
13:49<docteur2005>i am a news gay
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13:49<less>mik, is your DNS working ok?
13:49<fxiny>ready :P
13:49<docteur2005>what is the differences beetwen debian and gentoo
13:50<wayneward_>gentoo build package from soure debian use prebuilt binaries
13:50<valdyn>docteur2005: why are you telling us your sexual preferences?
13:50<mik>i can open www or ssh if i use my domain
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13:51<mik>but something wrong
13:51<abrotman>docteur2005: this is a support channel
13:51<wayneward_>gentoo takes lots of time but arre optimised for your system i prefer debian
13:52<docteur2005>fucking gay valdyn
13:52<abrotman>!tell docteur2005 about gay
13:52<wayneward_>i used to use gentoo but pent more time comiling rather than using the machine :-)
13:52<abrotman>wayneward_: i think you can stop
13:52<less>mik: nslookup is your troubleshooting tool in this case.
13:53<abrotman>wayneward_: i don't think he actually cares
13:53<less>And check /etc/resolv.conf.
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13:53<mik>less can i priv?
13:53<wayneward_>why asy then is he a bloddy troll
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13:53<less>Sure, mik.
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13:55<amphi>oh, ghod, it's Sunday, isn't it
13:55*less nods
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13:59<wayneward_>sunday good in UK = lamb roast yum and chill :-)
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14:00<wayneward_>any other good update notifiers for kde - adept is broke
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14:00<wayneward_>oh yes - know i can use apt or aptitude from a promt
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14:02<abrotman>synaptic ?
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14:03<wayneward_>yes i know that i mean like a notifier like adept it runs in the background notifie you on the kicker
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14:03<wayneward_>adept is ideal but broke :-(
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14:04<wayneward_>i might try compile see if it works then!
14:04<amphi>subscribe to debian-security-announce ?
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14:04<witte>hello, I am running a "debuild -us -uc" on a source package, but it is now standing still for almost three hours but this is at a slow computer. How do i find out if it is really stuck or just "waiting" for something?
14:04<witte>on amd64 it compiled nicely, but not on my hppa...
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14:05<amphi>witte: look at top and see if anything is going on?
14:05<fxiny>wayneward_: something like apticron ?
14:05<witte>amphi: well, nothing is going on
14:05<wayneward_>apticron ill tale a look
14:05<fxiny>or cron-apt
14:05<amphi>witte: sounds suspicious
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14:06<witte>amphi: expect for top, which takes +/- 5 % :-)
14:06<speedygeo>I want to see MPEG2 video recording files. I see them with kaffeine that can't resize to the wide screen. vlc can resize, but I can't play them with it. There is an "expert"?
14:06<wayneward_>yes it sounds automated have you seeen adept-notifier
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14:06<witte>amphi: so i think it died, but the script is still running (did not return the prompt) and it did work on amd64
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14:07<amphi>witte: unless it's horribly disk-bound/swapping - but you'd have noticed that
14:08<witte>amphi: yeah it just waits... probably something hardware specific, I'll have a go at debugging it
14:08<fxiny>witte: any full partitions ?
14:08<witte>fxiny: nope
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14:09<witte>my memory (all 9l MB) is full though (but no swap used)
14:09<NinjaMan>speedygeo: have you tried mplayer?
14:09<witte>96 MB of course
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14:10<fxiny>witte: load average ?
14:11<witte>I just wanted to be sure that i would have to restart it, because restarting it will take a while, it requires patience.
14:11<witte>from top: load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
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14:26<ervis>hi all
14:26<ervis>whats the best and stable ircd ?
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14:26<Mrkva>ernesto, personally, i use dancer :)
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14:27<ervis>irc server
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14:27<Mrkva>ervis, yes, dancer-ircd :)
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14:27<Franki>good evening
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14:28<mik>dovecot: 2008-05-04 20:27:15 Info: IMAP(mik): Disconnected: Logged out
14:28<mik>May 4 20:27:34 22wrz postfix/smtp[2693]: 755E6422DD: to=<>, relay =none, delay=20, delays=0.11/0.02/20/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or doma in name not found. Name service error for type=MX: Host not found, tr
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14:29<Franki>can someone point me a compact crc command line tool? should work for arbitrary polynomials. I'm both too busy and aparently dump looking on my own. thanks
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14:30<abrotman>Franki: like md5sum ?
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14:30<abrotman>so use md5sum ?
14:31<Franki>but I need CRCs
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14:32<fxiny>cfv ?
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14:33<Mrkva>hi... i have a small question... if i enable in kernel option "spectrum measurement for iwl3945" - is there any way, how to get output? it's only for internal card function?
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14:33<noisesmith>Mrkva: there should be a daemon or tool that reads that data
14:34<Mrkva>noisesmith, well... do you have any tip? :)
14:35<Franki>fxiny: I noticed that I already got cfv installed. But I'm not sure whether it supports arbitrary polynomials
14:36<noisesmith>mrkva: as far as I know, nobody has written the app yet
14:36<noisesmith>but all I know is about 15 seconds of using google
14:36<Mrkva>noisesmith, well, thanks
14:37<noisesmith>it may give you the info under /proc or /sys somewhere
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14:37<noisesmith>but I couldn't tell you much more than that
14:37<Mrkva>noisesmith, well, i was trying to find that... unsucessfully :( but thanks
14:38<fxiny>Franki: i'm checking if sha1sum supports it
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14:43<noisesmith>if I am mounting a partition as a home directory, what are the best ext3 fstab options?
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14:46<Franki>fxiny: actually I could write such a little tools myself, but I have no time for this
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14:49<less>noisesmith: I'm sure you could answer your own question with some time at
14:49<noisesmith>less: yeah, I thought maybe the folks over here would have some magic sauce :)
14:49<less>Although even Google would want you to supply a lot more detail. ;-)
14:50<noisesmith>I want my home directory to be mounted as a 15 gig partition, I wondered if there were any gotchas or special mount options I should know about
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14:50<noisesmith>I can still log in if it fails to mount, just having a temporarily empty home dir
14:51<less>The root dir would, temporarily, be your home dir.
14:51<noisesmith>I have that set up right now
14:52<noisesmith>well not the root
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14:52<noisesmith>just the mount point
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14:53<peter_>Hey , could anybody answear: how to mount the local disc?
14:53<noisesmith>peter_: what do you mean local disk?
14:53<r0bis>exactly my question
14:54<peter_>windows local disc
14:54<noisesmith>peter_: do you know it's device and partition?
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14:55<peter_>It 's a partition
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14:55<noisesmith>which partition is it?
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14:56<r0bis>has anyone noticed sound (rhythmbox) interrupting briefly on maximizing minimizing, opening new windows ?? This is on lenny - last few upgrades
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14:56<peter_>It is a partition of my hard disc, which used by Windows
14:56<noisesmith>r0bis: sounds like xruns, using larger buffer sizes fixes this
14:57<noisesmith>r0bis: this is easy to configure with qjackctl+jackd, and I think rythmbox supports jack output
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14:57<noisesmith>peter_ look at the output of "mount" in a terminal
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14:58<r0bis>peter_: you find partitions by looking up what you have by say fdisk -l
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14:58<noisesmith>yeah,. what r0bis said
14:59<r0bis>noisesmith: this sounds promising, I have jack installed, but never used it actually
14:59<noisesmith>r0bis: it kicks major ass
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15:00<noisesmith>r0bis there is a bit of overhead to getting it set up, but after that, any audio app can read output from or send output to any other jack app
15:00<peter_>i'm found it, but it didn't work
15:00<r0bis>noisesmith: how do I change buffer size for starters :))?
15:00<noisesmith>peter_? what didn't work?
15:00<noisesmith>r0bis: tool icon in qjackctl
15:00<r0bis>peter_: how did you try to mount it?
15:01<wayneward_>are you wanting realtime with jackd?
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15:01<noisesmith>wayneward_: I suggested it as a way to control his buffer sizes (to stop dropouts)
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15:01<r0bis>for caps
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15:02<wayneward_>so why dont you fix alsa
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15:02<wayneward_>jacks more for recording etc
15:02<r0bis>noisesmith: I don't think I have a command gjackctl
15:02<noisesmith>wayneward: alsa buffering is per app
15:02<r0bis>ok but how do I fix alsa?
15:02<noisesmith>wayneward: jack lets you configure audio centrally
15:03<wayneward_>you tried rebuilding from source dpkg-reconfigure
15:03<r0bis>no what would that give?
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15:03<r0bis>sorry I'm not familiar with dpkg-reconfigure
15:03<noisesmith>wayneward: what do you have against using jackd?
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15:04<wayneward_>ah thats were i would start first! if you havent been down that avenue then go there 1st
15:04<wayneward_>i use jackd myself
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15:04<wayneward_>for plugging audio aplications into each other
15:04<peter_>i have chanched the config in"fstab"
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15:04<r0bis>ok I have Jack Control on menu, should that be it?
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15:05<noisesmith>r0bis: you want the frames/period option in qjackctl
15:05<noisesmith>r0bis: in the configure window
15:06<wayneward_>dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source would rebuild alsa google it
15:06<noisesmith>wayneward: why would he want to do that?
15:06<r0bis>ok, Iam trying the gjackctl route now, looking for the package that contains it
15:06<wayneward_>it might fix his alsa problem
15:06<wayneward_>ok try away!....
15:07<noisesmith>it is qjackctl, not gjackctl
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15:07<wayneward_>what sound card is it anyway
15:07<Lolo>hey i will make groups on my computer but i need help please
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15:08<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
15:08<NinjaMan>how do I flush the cache of a bind9 caching domain name server
15:08<r0bis>it is CA0106 - Audigy builtin in Shuttle XPC
15:09<r0bis>ok got qjackctl
15:09<Lolo>thanks i see
15:09<NinjaMan>never mind - found the command
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15:11<noisesmith>r0bis: run qjackctl, and click on the wrench button (sorry, I have icon labels turned off in my copy and only see the pictures)
15:11<NinjaMan>can someone please test if they can access the website
15:11<r0bis>ok in qjackctl I can change the option - should I do it as root and restart jack server?
15:11<noisesmith>r0bis: run jack as a normal user
15:11<r0bis>Also qjackctl shows that jackd is not started
15:11<r0bis>ok as normal
15:12<christmas>NinjaMan: no, it doesn't work
15:12<noisesmith>r0bis: you set up the demon, then push the green play button to start the daemon
15:12<christmas>no ping reply
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15:12<r0bis>noisesmith: can I do this while rhythmbox is running?
15:12<NinjaMan>christmas: thanks
15:12<NinjaMan>christmas: do you see an ip address
15:12<noisesmith>r0bis: you will probably need to change a config in rythembox to have it use jack
15:13<NinjaMan>christmas: or has the domain resolution failed
15:13<christmas>NinjaMan: try whois
15:14<NinjaMan>christmas: I can reach it because my isp DNS has cached the lookup
15:14<christmas> Domain servers in listed order:
15:14<christmas> NS2.22WRZ.COM
15:14<christmas> NS1.22WRZ.COM
15:14<christmas>are these what you are looking for?
15:14<NinjaMan>christmas: the name server has been turned off and I want to know if the domain can still be reached
15:14<christmas>i can't reach it
15:15<NinjaMan>christmas: i.e. is the ISPs DNS handling it
15:15<NinjaMan>christmas: ok thanks
15:15<Franki>who can point me a crc program for arbitrary polynomials?
15:15<r0bis>noisesmith: ok, jackd is running and outputting various messages, rhythmbox is off, I didn't see how to configure it
15:16<Franki>I mean comparable to cksum
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15:16<noisesmith>r0bis: does rhythembox use gstreamer?
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15:17<noisesmith>r0bis: if so, it may be gstreamer that needs configuration to use jackd
15:18<r0bis>noisesmith: ok looking into it, I am pretty sure it is gstreamer
15:18<noisesmith>I gave up on gstreamer a while ago myself, pretty unreliable in my experience
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15:21<noisesmith>I am having issues with a macbook no resuming after I lift the lid
15:22<r0bis>Yah thats noe of those difficult power management issues
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15:23<noisesmith>r0bis well I am going to turn suspending off entirely for now... I wonder how many people ever get any kind of suspend/sleep working with linux, and how they do it?
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15:24<Franki>what crc-polynomial does the standard cksum tool actually use? I'm just curious, I just can't find it anywhere
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15:27<r0bis>noisesmith: I think it is some lucky ones and probably those that buy linux laptop from manufacturer. These power-up-down things seem to be very hardware specific and manufacturer always supplies drivers in some form
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15:29<noisesmith>I wonder what makes all my network connections connect so slowly
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15:29<r0bis>noisesmith: I figure it is gstreamer, if I open gstreamer-properties I get options for output plugin such as ALSA, ESS, OSD, and Custom
15:29<noisesmith>it is only on this machine
15:30<noisesmith>r0bis: yeah, sounds about right
15:30<r0bis>noisesmith: should I choose custom and write jackd for Pipeline ?
15:31<noisesmith>r0bis: I think so, like I said, I gave up on gstreamer a while ago
15:31<r0bis>noisesmith: how do you get sound then?
15:31<noisesmith>you mean without gstreamer?
15:31<noisesmith>I use apps that don't use gstreamer :)
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15:32<noisesmith>it's not too different from avoiding any kde or gnome apps, which I already do
15:33<r0bis>I see, :) I guess I'll have to struggle a bit to figure this out. Just tell me please - is Jack conceptually something that can route audio streams from one program to another or to a hardware driver?
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15:33<noisesmith>exactly that
15:33<r0bis>cos' when I have Jack running it takes over my sound card, doesn't it?
15:33<noisesmith>there is a button on the lower left of qjackctl that shows all running audio apps that are using jack
15:34<noisesmith>if a card has multiple hardware mixers, jack will only use one of them
15:35<noisesmith>for example on my other laptop, I have a maestro3, and jack uses one mixer, the other apps can fight over the other one
15:36<r0bis>ok, so I have to make my program understand it should go via Jack, I wonder what this "pipeline" concept is about, can it refer to something I create in jack?
15:36<noisesmith>gstreamer is made of pipelines
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15:36<noisesmith>if you make a jack input pipeline, that will be visible as a port to output to in jack
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15:37<noisesmith>if you make a jack output pipeline, that will be visible as a port to get input from
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15:37<noisesmith>so then you can connect your gstreamer port to the sound card, or the input of a recorder, or an effects box, or whatever
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15:38<r0bis>ok getting warmer (in my head :)
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15:38<noisesmith>that button on the lower left hand corner of qjackctl opens the patcher
15:38<noisesmith>the one with the red crossing lines
15:38<r0bis>shall I start with creating new input socket in jack patchbay?
15:39<kazol>I just installed Debian, but I have a low screen resolution (1024x768); I tried running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and it included the higher resolutions, but they do not appear when I actually try changing the screen resolution.
15:39<noisesmith>you want the conenctions window
15:39<r0bis>noisesmith: there is audio midi and alsa tabs
15:39<noisesmith>you want the audio tab
15:39<noisesmith>any apps that connect to jack will be visible in that window
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15:40<r0bis>in left I have only capture_1 and 2 and on right playback_1 and 2
15:40<wayneward_>if you cat your /etc/X11/xorg.conf can you see any resolutions in the bottom of the file IE 1024x768
15:40<noisesmith>that is your sound card
15:41<r0bis>so if gstreamer could use jack, I should see it there
15:41<noisesmith>r0bis not "if", but "when"
15:41<noisesmith>r0bis: I am sure it is an option that needs turning on
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15:42<r0bis>noisesmith: ok Im googling it
15:42<wayneward_>aqualung is a small musicplayer with jack support built in good to test!
15:43<noisesmith>,agrees with wayneward
15:43<noisesmith>oops, that was a mud emote
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15:46<r0bis>right, it shows up in qjackctl
15:46<wayneward_>plug it in to your input
15:46<wayneward_>on connections
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15:47<noisesmith>wayneward: you mean output :)
15:47<r0bis>OUT_L to playback_1 and R to 2 (so playback_1 and 2 are stereo channels?)
15:47<noisesmith>r0bis: yes
15:47<wayneward_>yes yes
15:47<noisesmith>r0bis unless you want to combine or swap channels of course
15:48<r0bis>hmm :)), I am playing on aqualung but hear no sound
15:48<noisesmith>and you have the aqualung out connected to the system out?
15:49<noisesmith>very strange
15:49<r0bis>right, where is that?
15:49<r0bis>it says output: jack @ 48000 Hz
15:50<noisesmith>and it is playing, and connected to the system port in qjackctl?
15:50<kazol>What is this for?: "First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening."
15:50<keratacon>Hey guys, I'm trying to get an ipw2200 wireless card working under lenny. I've followed the steps on but it's not showing up under ip -a or ifconfig. However, the card is listed with lspci.
15:50<noisesmith>kazol: that is how to migrate from etch to lenny
15:51<noisesmith>gotta go
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15:52<jlbel>Has anybody his/her debian instalation in one of the new macbooks?
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15:54<kazol>How do I check which release of Debian I am running?
15:55<wayneward_>i installed debian on a macbook ppc power saving was lousy on that
15:55<christmas>cat /etc/debian_version
15:55<wayneward_>wow im lenny/sid!! coool
15:55<christmas>yeah me too :-)
15:56<kazol>Should I upgrade to lenny? I just installed etch.
15:56<keratacon>So nobody has any tips for making a wireless card visible to the system?
15:56<christmas>probably kazol
15:56<jlbel>it depends on you
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15:56<kazol>christmas: I thought it was unstable.
15:56<christmas>etch is fine if you don't need the latest software
15:57<christmas>it's pretty stable now, kazol
15:57<kazol>Ok, I'll download it then.
15:57<jlbel>if is for you and desktop could be nice if you want to try the newest things
15:57<keratacon>debian 'testing' is about as stable as most distro's 'stable.' Debian 'stable' is for situations where stability is very very important, servers and such.
15:57<jlbel>but if it is for some servers or something on production, better you dont
15:57<kazol>I have a problem with the screen resolution-nothing over 1024x768 is available.
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15:57<kazol>I need 1680x1050.
15:58<christmas>kazol: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
15:58<keratacon>what's your graphics card
15:58<christmas>at its end, add your resolution
15:58<jlbel>have you tried to tune-up your xorg.conf?
15:58<keratacon>if it's a built in intel, it's a bit more problematic than that
15:58<kazol>christmas: I already did.
15:58<kazol>Yes, it's 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 945G/GZ Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
15:58<christmas>so what driver did you select for it?
15:59<christmas>is it i810?
15:59<kazol>i810 or something close to that.
15:59<christmas>don't know what's the problem then
15:59<christmas>it should work, i guess
15:59<keratacon>there's a new version of the i810 drivers for the newer intel chipsets.
15:59<kazol>I'm using KDE, maybe that has something to do with it?
15:59<kazol>Someone told me I should try installing lenny to potentially solve this issue.
15:59<keratacon>it's an underlying issue with X and hardware.
16:00<christmas>but you can give it a try and change the resolution from within kde
16:00<cahoot>kazol: I think you need create a valide mode line, try gtf
16:00<christmas>kcontrol -> Peripherals -> display
16:01<christmas>though i'm not sure it'll work
16:01<kazol>Ok, I opened it, what should I do next?
16:01<christmas>maybe also post your xorg.conf into a pastebin so we get to look at it
16:01<christmas>are you in the Display tab/
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16:02<cahoot>kazol: xrandr -q will list what resolutions you can use atm
16:02<kazol>Yes, only 1024x768 and lower resolutions are available.
16:03<kazol>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
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16:03<kazol>Xlib: No protocol specified
16:03<christmas>don't run it as root!
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16:03<kazol>It only lists the 3 low resolutions.
16:04<christmas>ok then
16:04<christmas>try with the intel driver instead of i810
16:04<wayneward_>have you looked at 915resolution
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16:05<christmas>problem is i have nvidia so i can't be sure what works, you have to try some more
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16:05<kazol>wayneward_: Should I try using it?
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16:06<wayneward_>i fixed my inel driver with that on my jvc laptop
16:06<wayneward_>it looks at the bios and tells you whats available
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16:06<wayneward_>then you just set it using a code
16:06<mom>adobe flash keeps crashing iceweasel in etch, is there something more stable?
16:06<wayneward_>its worth a look mine was stuck in 800 x 600
16:06<kazol>christmas: There is no "intel" driver.
16:06<keratacon>that's it. 915resolution, look for documentation on that. I set up a 1680x1050 monitor a year or two ago and just followed instructions i found with google. unfortunately i forget which ones.
16:07<wayneward_>mom have you tried gnash?
16:07<kazol>wayneward_, keratacon: Ok, thanks. I'll try it.
16:07<wayneward_>try klash before you do it installs some of the files you may have missing and fixes flash-plugin
16:07<mom>wayneward_, gnope can it do movies in youtube etc?
16:07<wayneward_>well did for me111
16:08<christmas>well than i can't help you much
16:08<keratacon>there's a config file in addion to xorg that needs to be modified with specific setting for the resolution & refresh rate. sorry i don't remember details on this, it's kind of a do once and forget sort of thing.
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16:08<wayneward_>try klash 1st
16:08<wayneward_>restart iceweasel after
16:08<mom>ok ill give it a shot and uninstall the adobe flash player
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16:09<keratacon>so anyway, anyone ever experience a problem with debian not recognizing an ipw2200 wireless card?
16:09<wayneward_>dont uninstall flash yet
16:09<wayneward_>try klash with the flash plugin
16:09<chealer>wayneward_: 915resolution doesn't fix your intel driver, it just workarounds bugs in your video card
16:09<wayneward_>if no go get mozilla-plugin-gnash
16:09<mom>klash . . .
16:09<wayneward_>chealer yes but can get your resolution right
16:10<wayneward_>yes apt-get install klash
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16:11<chealer>mom: there's no Flash player more stable than Adobe Flash, but Adobe Flash shouldn't "keep crashing" (except maybe on a specific site)
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16:11<NinjaMan>i have an original file and a modified file - how do I create a patch that can be applied to the original to turn it into the modified file?
16:12<dondelelcaro>NinjaMan: you use diff
16:12<NinjaMan>dondelelcaro: cheers
16:12<chealer>keratacon: what do you mean by "not recognizing a card"?
16:12<mom>klash: Package klash has no available version, but exists in the database.
16:13<wayneward_>mmm you on etc or lenny
16:13<mom>wayneward_, etch
16:13<keratacon>One second.
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16:14<wayneward_>have you added repositories to your apt source list - also are you just running stable
16:14<keratacon>I mean there is no wireless device available to ifconfig or ip -a
16:14<keratacon>but lspci -nn | grep "Wireless" shows the card
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16:15<mom>chealer, it keeps crashing iceweasel, ill watch a video then iceweasel freezes and i restart x and it says iceweasel is still running then i kill the process
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16:15<dondelelcaro>keratacon: that generally means that you don't have the driver loaded
16:15<dondelelcaro>keratacon: lspci will show anything on the pci bus, even if the kernel can't use it
16:15<mom>wayneward_, i added repositories
16:16<keratacon>i've run modprobe ipw2200 and no errors were returned
16:16<chealer>mom: if that happens with different animations, it's a local problem
16:16<keratacon>what should i be trying?
16:16<dondelelcaro>keratacon: check dmesg
16:16<wayneward_>mmm i think its in backports - just intall gnash its worth a go - i use utube with gnash and others
16:16<dondelelcaro>keratacon: what type of wireless card is it?
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16:17<mom>wayneward_, yeah i installed the backport
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16:17<keratacon>ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2
16:18<keratacon>does that mean anything more specific than "can't load the firmware?"
16:18<dondelelcaro>keratacon: that generlaly means that you've got the wrong firmware, the firmware isn't installed, or similar.
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16:20<keratacon>ok, everything i've read says lenny has the firmware preloaded, so what's my next step?
16:20<amphi>keratacon: is it in /lib/firmware/ ?
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16:21<keratacon>nothing is in /lib/firmware/
16:22<keratacon>it is in /lib/modules
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16:22<amphi>the fw needs to be in /lib/firmware/
16:23<keratacon>ok, what's the file called? does it end in .ko?
16:23<amphi>no; that's the kernel modules
16:23<ipei>Hi! I asked for before how I could make myself writeable on my disk sdb1... I edited in fstab to rw etc. But I'm still unable to writ there... How can I get futher? :7
16:23<amphi>keratacon: ipw2200-bss.fw would seem to be the filename, or one of them
16:24<ipei>doh... wrong - I shoul dbe in ubuntu >.<
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16:24<mom>honestly i think i might have a bad mirror ... michigan state
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16:25<keratacon>is it strange that there isn't a single .fw file on my system?
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16:29<amphi>keratacon: not if you didn't install it
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16:30<keratacon>ok got the binary firmware, put it in /lib/firmware
16:30<keratacon>anyway of doing this without restarting?
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16:37<amphi>keratacon: remove and modprobe the module again
16:39<keratacon>well hello eth1
16:39<keratacon>amphi, you're a winner. you get points, plenty of them.
16:40<keratacon>ok, if i can't get the tablet functionality of this thing going, i'll be back
16:41<keratacon>thanks again. people that are patient and helpful to idiots go to internet heaven.
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16:45<mcarberry>Hello. I just installed Etch recently, and am having some trouble with my video driver. At this moment, it's using the vesa driver, but I'd like to use the opencrhome driver as it seems to support my chipset (CN700). I attempted to compile it, and it comes up with five packages that were not found (xorg-server, xproto, xvmc, fontsproto, and libdrm). It seems like some of these were renamed (xserver, libdrm2).
16:46<morghanphoenix>Hello, can someone tell me what package contains the mixer applet for the panel. I did a net install and only installed fluxbox so I don't have the whole gnome system installed.
16:47<morghanphoenix>that have a panel applet?
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16:47<wayneward_>ah dont know
16:47<morghanphoenix>I know kmix works on the panel, but it has a lot of kde deps to install it.
16:48<mcarberry>*VIA CN700 Any ideas?
16:48<wayneward_>yes i use kmix
16:48<morghanphoenix>I can change the setting cli with alsamixer, just looking for an applet to simplify things a bit
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16:49<morghanphoenix>Yeah, I used kmix before, has a lot of deps to it though and I'm trying to keep it light, may have to use kmix again though if nobody knows one that works with the same deps as the nmapplet I've allready installed
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16:50<morghanphoenix>ah, no matter, only an extra 100MB of deps. Guess I can deal with that :) Thanks
16:51<morghanphoenix>and then I'll be less adverse to installing some of the other kde based apps I like :)
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17:01<risingsun>anyone here?>
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17:06<witte>risingsun: no
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17:12<mom>is gnash available for etch?
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17:13<witte>how can one tell if a package is actively maintained? I filed a bug report more than a month ago, and still no reaction...
17:14<witte>mom: no, you can find such information here:
17:14<witte>mom: it is backported though
17:15<mom>witte, i had added backports but it doesnt seem to install . . .
17:17<witte>mom: how did you try? did you "aptitude -t etch-backports install gnash"
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17:18<mom>tried synaptic
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17:20<witte>mom: i don't know how synaptic deals with backports (or rather using a different debian version than the one installed). Try the line i gave
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17:22<mom>witte, does that include the iceweasel plugin?
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17:23<witte>mom: i do not know, never used gnash
17:24<witte>mom: on sid you would also want to install mozilla-plugin-gnash, so probably that package will also exist in the backports repository
17:24<mom>right found it
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17:31<salvin>-- --- ---
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17:34<james__>everytime i try to get a package with apt I get the following
17:34<james__>Errors were encountered while processing:
17:34<james__> exim4-daemon-light
17:34<james__> at
17:34<james__>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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17:34<james__>erm sorry ill pastebin it
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17:38<james__>nm I figured it out, thanks
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18:16<adii>is there a simple way to change one's kernel frequency ?
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18:18<witte>adii: which frequency do you mean?
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18:18<adii>the kernel's one
18:18<adii>it's running at 250 hz around
18:19<adii>and I want it to run at 1khz
18:19<witte>adii: i think you need to recompile your kernel for that
18:20<adii>that's what I thought, so I'll have to use a custom kernel right ?
18:20<witte>adii: grep -i config_hz /boot/config...
18:20<witte>adii: yes, but you can get the debian sources, and start from that configuration
18:20<adii>yup that's what I did
18:21<adii>I don't want to check all options myself
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18:21<adii>that's quite a pain in the ..
18:21<witte>I am unsure if it would make a lot of difference, it is the kernel frequency, but rather how fast it accepts interrupts i believe
18:21<adii>moreover I'm not good enough
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18:22<witte>adii: it is just a matter of doing one thing at the time, reading documentation and using make-kpkg...
18:22<adii>i've planned to do it entirely with a friend, starting from scratch on a old computer
18:22<adii>but I guess this will be really, really technical
18:23<witte>adii: remember this very important rule: if you are unsure, leave it as it is :-)
18:23<adii>lol okay , I 'll ;)
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18:23<witte>adii: the downside of using an old computer, it that it will take a lot of time to compile
18:23<adii>err yes , we'll have to consider that too.
18:24<adii>we planned to use linuxfromscratch or some really basic distro
18:24<witte>adii: but by default there are hundreds of drivers in the debian kernel that you will never use (if you don't have a 3com network card, you don't need those modules)...
18:24<adii>yea but they aren't loaded , right (hu?)
18:24<witte>adii: no, they aren't loaded, the just fill up a little bit of space
18:25<adii>yup ok
18:25<adii>have you ever done it yourself witte ?
18:25<witte>adii: probably you will screw this up once or twice, but in the end it is not so difficult to compile a kernel
18:26<witte>adii: yeah, my laptop needed a special graphics driver when it was new (long time ago :-)), and i needed to add some stuff to the kernel
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18:26<adii>so you made the graphic module yourself and added it to the kernel ?
18:27<witte>adii: at time i also thought that there shouldn't be anything in the kernel that did not belong there, but in the end, it took way much more time to compile than i ever won in speed :d
18:27<witte>adii: no, someone else made the module, i used his recommandations to put it in the kernel :d
18:28<adii>making a module is part of the things I want to have done before I leave engineer school. (you know, that list that contain bungee jumping and all that)
18:28<adii>might be base jumping
18:28<adii>i'm not sure with english those days
18:29<witte>adii: well, I have also lots of those lists, and they tend to get longer every day :(
18:29<adii>the jump that you perform over a bridge with an elastic rope you pray is strong enough
18:29<adii>you need a year off
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18:30<witte>that's bungee, base jumping is jumping of a building
18:30<adii>oh yea that too
18:30<witte>adii: at least one. I think i need retirement :-)
18:30<adii>retirement :x how old are you
18:30<adii>if that's not too indiscrete
18:30<witte>adii: I'll work when i'm 65, now is the time enjoy
18:30<witte>29 :-)
18:31*adii relieved
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18:32<adii>I'm sorry but I really need some rest now. Thanks a lot for the help , and the chat was nice too ;)
18:32<adii>have a good night everybody
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18:32<adii>yup cya
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19:17<keila>python-gtksourceview2 is refusing to install, saying it depends on libffi4. however, i downloaded the python-sourceviewgtk2 source and there's no such requirement for libffi4 in debian/control ..i dont understand this?
19:19<witte>keila: apt-cache show python-gtksourceview2 says there is a dependency
19:20<keila>witte: that's what i dont understand. libffi is not mentioned in any debian/* files in that souce
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19:23<witte>keila: you are right, i don't see it either
19:24<keila>witte: so what the hell? heh :P
19:25<witte>keila: maybe report a bug?
19:26<witte>keila: no need, someone else did it: 479177
19:26<witte>!dbugs 479177
19:26<dpkg>#479177:N[python-gtksourceview2] python-gtksourceview2 depends on libffi4; Sat, 3 May 2008 13:15:02 UTC
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19:27<keila>ok. guess i wait. i really dont know how to get around it
19:28<witte>keila: or you take the lenny version for now, or you fix the bug :-)
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19:37<witte>keila: probably if you just make a deb of the sourcefile, you can install it using dpkg -i. Just make sure you do "apt-get build-dep python-gtksourceview2" before and install libffi5 separately
19:37<witte>keila: if the build-dep complains about the libffi4, just install the dependencies manually
19:38<keila>witte: yeah, ok. thanks
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19:47<kamiro>Hello, i have two interface cards. One is configured for DHCP and the other is configured as a static IP. when eth1 ( is enabled then nothing on the box can connect to the internet (interface eth0) when i disable eth0 thn everything works fine. is there any way to tell my OS to use one interface over the other?
19:47<kamiro>disbale eth1*
19:47<kamiro>typo. sorry
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19:49<witte>kamiro: do you want your debian box to seperate an intern network with the outside or have two possible connenctions?
19:49<dondelelcaro>kamiro: you most likely have two default gateways.
19:50<dondelelcaro>kamiro: remove the gateway line from the eth1 stanza, and it'll probably start working.
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19:58<panagos>hi people, is there an .nfo viewer for linux? (yes, like those used in the release scene :P) preferrably a program to convert .nfo to console escape sequences...
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20:00<witte>panagos: like this?
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20:02<panagos>witte: i saw that, but it doesn't seem to be able to convert to terminal escapes... :|
20:03<witte>panagos: sorry, what do you mean with "convert to terminal escapes"?
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20:03<panagos>witte: like \033[01;blablabla
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20:08<jackthewacko>what driver do you use for intel graphic cards ?
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20:08<jackthewacko>is it included in xorg drivers ?
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20:09<witte>jackthewacko: the intel driver, and it is xserver-xorg-video-intel taht you want
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20:18<panagos>hmmm, seems the best solution to viewing .nfo files is dosemu! :D
20:18<witte>panagos: can't you just open it in an editor like emacs?
20:19<panagos>witte: it won't show the special ascii-art which needs the terminal font... (shades of gray etc)
20:20<witte>panagos: you can use the file command on the nfo file, to see which encoding it is, that should help you when you choose a viewer...
20:23<panagos>witte: in the case of .nfo files, file reports them as ISO-8859 English text, though it uses special codepoints which create a picture when viewed with the _terminal_ font (code page 437)
20:25<panagos>hmmm, a second solution is, using python, print unicode(open(FILENAME).read(), 'CP437')
20:26<jackthewacko>what the name of the gnome app for connecting to wireless network ?
20:27<witte>jackthewacko: network-admin
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20:27<witte>jackthewacko: at least that is for configuring your network
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20:29<jackthewacko>witte : whats the name of the package ?
20:30<witte>jackthewacko: gnome-system-tools i think
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20:39<laura>how can I install the 3945ABG intel wireless card ?
20:39<laura>I installed various pacakges
20:39<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. See also <ipw3945-fu>
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20:46<witte>Guest3113: did that solve the problem for you?
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20:50<Guest3113>I have 2.6.23-1
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20:50<witte>Guest3113: ok, /msg dpkg iwlwifi
20:50<Guest3113>i do modprobe iwlwifi and it doesnt bring up eth1
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20:51<Guest3113>how do I bring up eth1
20:51<Guest3113>I do lsmod and I dont see anything
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20:51<witte>so do you have the package firmware-iwlwifi?
20:51<dpkg>rumour has it, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at or #ipw2100 @, or <wireless tree>
20:52<witte>you need to modprobe iwl3945µ
20:52<witte>(without the µ of course)
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20:52<blarson>Guest3113: iwl3945 does wlan0 not eth1
20:52<witte>Guest3113: which debian version do you use?
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20:53<Guest3113>I dont think I have firmware-iwlwifi installed
20:53<blarson>and it doesn't get along with udev renaming.
20:53<Guest3113>I try installing it it doesnt instal
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20:54<witte>Guest3113: well if you have the firmware downloaded from somewhere else, and manually install it, that would also ok...
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20:54<witte>Guest3113: how does it not install? which error.
20:56<Guest3113>I see iwl3945 is installed
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20:56<Guest3113>how do I bring up the interface ?
20:56<witte>Guest3113: ifconfig wlan0 up
20:57<Guest3113>its says unknown interface
20:58<witte>Guest3113: is the iwl3945 module loaded?
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20:58<witte>Guest3113: if yes, upload the output of dmesg to a pastebin
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20:58<witte>!tell Guest3113 about pastebin
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21:18<dan>hello all
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21:30<Guest3113>here's my dmesg witte
21:31<witte>Guest3113: iwl3945: iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode firmware file req failed: Reason -2
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21:32<Guest3113>witte .. how do I fix it ?
21:33<Guest3113>is that package in etch ?
21:33<witte>no it is not in etch
21:33*Guest3113 upgrades
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21:34<Guest3113>witte : is lenny stable ?
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21:34<gdiffey>nope lenny is testing.
21:34<witte>you can get the package here:
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21:35<Guest3113>... nah I am upgrading
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21:36<witte>Guest3113: ok, whatever you want, after that just install that package and it should wokr
21:37<witte>after rmmod and modprobe the iwl3945 module that is...
21:37<witte>Guest3113: good luck, i am going to sleep, it is 3:30
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21:41<dpkg>rumour has it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r3), or ask me about <releases>.
21:42<dpkg>rumour has it, testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages
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21:43<Guest3113>what kinds of servers does debian use ?
21:44<Guest3113>any idea of how many gigabits the connection is ?
21:46<zicu>new in town?
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21:54<zicu>anyone home?
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21:56<zarchne>zicu: maybe.
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21:56<osvaldo>alguien habla espanol?
21:57<zicu>si un poco
21:57<zarchne>Guest3113: Mostly it's not centralized, so it would be hard to determine in toto.
21:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:57<osvaldo>oh que bien. soy nuevecito en xchat
21:57<Guest3113>!intel xorg
21:58<osvaldo>como cambio a debien-es?
21:58<zarchne>de nada.
21:58<zarchne> /join #debian-es
21:58<zicu>zar is there smthg similar for greece?
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21:59<zarchne>dpkg: greek?
21:59<dpkg>zarchne: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
21:59<zarchne>dpkg: ellenika?
21:59<dpkg>zarchne: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
22:00<zarchne>what's the two-letter iso code?
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22:01<zarchne>zicu: I don't find one.
22:01<rrm>good evening!
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22:02<Guest3113>how do you configure a wireless connection with gnome network admin ?
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22:02<Guest3113>it only has properties ?
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22:03<zarchne>Guest3113: if you see tj_ he might know.
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22:04<zicu>zar can u tell how can i find a list of channels?
22:04<zarchne>zicu: /list
22:06<zarchne>Guest3113: you might also try #wireless on freenode.
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22:06<zicu>excuse me servers
22:07<zicu>my mistake
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22:09<zicu>any idea?
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22:10<zarchne>zicu: well, the debian package of xchat has a bunch apparently built in... google is the obvious answer... are you looking for something specific?
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22:12<zicu>i am using konverastion .. ubuntu
22:12<rrm>is it safe to start to use lenny for a newbie
22:12<dan>i am too:)
22:13<zarchne>rrm: it is not the recommended procedure. Backports is an earlier line of defense.
22:14<dan>does anyone here know how to access the ubuntu support forum?
22:14<rrm>but the backports is not much updated then the etch
22:14<dan>on irc:P
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22:15<zarchne>dan: #ubuntu ?
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22:15<dan>that worked :)
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22:17<Guest3113>how do you create a wireless connection in gnome
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22:17<Guest3113>I dont want to use wireless tools someone who doesnt know much willl use computer
22:18<Guest3113>is there a wireless radar or something ?
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22:21<craigevil-eee>try wifi-radar
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22:24<Guest3113>craigevil it says failed to load child process su-to-root
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22:25<morghanphoenix>okay, trying to install the nvidia binary drivers and it's telling me that gcc is not the same version used to compile the kernel, what's the easiest way to fix this?
22:25<morghanphoenix>using the nvidia installer script from their page
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22:25<Draack>Hi, I tryed to change my layout by the command “dpkg-reconfigure console-setup” and nothing changed when de command finish her job. I wanted to change my layout azerty to bepo(dvorak way), but when I finished to reconfigure console-setup nothing happened and my layout is always in Azerty.
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22:27<morghanphoenix>think the version of gcc is 4.2 and the kernel was compiled with 4.1 Module assistant dies on me as well.
22:27<Draack>But I can use others layout, but not bepo, why ? I can use it in my graphical environment
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22:29<morghanphoenix>m-a does installation of nvidia-kernel-source source failed. blah blah you may need to add contrib and non-free (allready added)
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22:30<chealer>morghanphoenix: which Debian suite do you use?
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22:32<abrotman>did you run aptitude update ?
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22:34<morghanphoenix>chealer lenny, netinst, pretty minimal.
22:34<morghanphoenix>Sorry bout the pause there, life intrudes.
22:35<morghanphoenix>running just x-windows-system, fluxbox, and enough of gnome to get that spiffy little nm-applet working.
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22:45<mcarberry>Having some problems making the openchrome driver. Using kernel 2.6.18-6-686.
22:46<rrm>how can i get latest software, but keep etch... should i add lenny/testing/sid repo
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22:46<mcarberry>make all-recursive
22:46<mcarberry>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mcarberry/openchrome'
22:46<mcarberry>Making all in src
22:46<mcarberry>make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mcarberry/openchrome/src'
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22:52<zarchne>rrm: Mu. I don't think the question makes sense.
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22:54<chealer>rrm: you can't keep etch while getting the latest software
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22:59<rrm>chealer: i just want the latest software as in applications
23:00<rrm>i did try sid and it did not even boot or install on my system
23:00<chealer>rrm: many of etch's applications are also outdated
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23:01<zarchne>rrm: did you try backports?
23:01<rrm>chealer: i know... really old... should i just run lenny
23:01<rrm>zarchne: i do have them right now... and is around 1.5-3 versions behind somethings
23:02<guilherme>deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
23:02<zarchne>rrm: Do you want to help fix bugs?
23:02<guilherme>ive entered now...
23:03<rrm>no... i just like to have up to date system... for ex: pidgin in backports is 2.3.1 and out is 2.4.1
23:03<guilherme>i don't even know what are you talking about...but that's the backports i have im my sources.list
23:03<zarchne>rrm: There is a limit to what people are going to hand you for free.
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23:04<rrm>heck xchat out is 2.8.4 and in backports is 2.6.8 that is 2.5 versions old
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23:05<zarchne>"Cheap, timely, high-quality" ... pick any two.
23:05<chealer>rrm: you certainly don't want anything less stable than lenny, and you don't want anything older than lenny if you're aiming for the latest software.
23:06<zarchne>But even so, running lenny implies a certain willingness to be a guinea pig.
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23:09<guilherme>is it true that sid==ubuntu?
23:10<zarchne>For what value of "==" are you talking?
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23:10<prahal>hi am trying to understand how to get package/debian/packagename into package/debian/tmp/ automatically ... what is the dh_ commands to achieve that ?
23:11<guilherme>are ubutu repositories the same of SID's?
23:12<guilherme>and programs?
23:12<guilherme>and unstabiliities?
23:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, utnubu is One of Ubuntu's activities is frequently copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. Well, Utnubu is about the reverse, copying packages from Ubuntu to Debian. Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian Project. Visit or maybe you want to visit #debian-ubuntu
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23:14<guilherme>hum...sometimes people talk that debian testing or unstable is ubuntu
23:14<guilherme>i never used ubuntu...
23:15<guilherme>just a comparison
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23:19<guilherme>do you compile debian kernel?
23:19<zarchne>AIUI, Ubuntu takes packages from stable or testing and tries to release them more quickly. Also make some money?
23:20<zarchne>guilherme: You can if you want to. I used to regularly, haven't recently.
23:20<chealer>dpkg: no, utnubu is <reply>One of the frequent activities of Ubuntu developers is copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. Well, Utnubu is about the reverse, copying packages from Ubuntu to Debian. Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian project. Maybe you want to visit or #debian-ubuntu
23:20<dpkg>chealer: okay
23:20<guilherme>is it difficult?
23:20<zarchne>dpkg: tell guilherme about kernel-package
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23:24<prahal>talking about it I am trying to port timevault (well not really ubuntu but launchpad) and struggle to build the deb ... any idea how to move files around via debhelper ?
23:24<guilherme>compiling kernel takes a lot of time?
23:25<prahal>gee I found out sorry for the noise
23:26<prahal>guilherme, 15mins for a customized kernel a night for a real debian one (with all options and build for all x86 variants)
23:27<zarchne>guilherme: depends on how fast your machine is, of course.
23:27<guilherme>i wanna a real compilation, of course, my horse
23:28<zarchne>Long enough that it's half-seriously used as a performance benchmark.
23:28<guilherme>my english is awful...excuse me
23:29<zarchne>guilherme: The point is, somewhere between 5 minutes and an hour if you just compile the stuff you need.
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