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01:00<sherlock>Guys i am newbie.
01:01<sherlock>Can some help me?
01:01<sherlock>Any one i need help.
01:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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01:03<sherlock>I have AMD64 machine with ATI HD2600 pro card and a Dell 2008WFP monitor that supports 1680*1200 resolution
01:04<sherlock>But my debian etch installtion only provides me with 1280X1080 resolution.
01:04<sherlock>How does i correct this?
01:04<sherlock>Am i missing drivers or is there something wrong.
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01:07<sherlock> Alright
01:07<sherlock> I have AMD64 machine with ATI HD2600 pro card and a Dell 2008WFP monitor that supports 1680*1200 resolution
01:07<sherlock> But my debian etch installtion only provides me with 1280X1080 resolution.
01:07<sherlock> How does i correct this?
01:07<sherlock> Am i missing drivers or is there something wrong.
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01:12<Jflesch>shogunx: did you try the proprietary ati drivers ?
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01:12<Jflesch>'I lag :/
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01:32<kop>How would I search repositories for releases I've not got in sources.list from within apt? (Without going to with a browser and using the package search tool.)
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01:46<jm_>kop: apt-cache show rmadison
01:47<MrBichel>Hello i have just set up a webserver on debian with plesk. My doc root is: /var/www/vhosts/ so in my application i wanted some files to outside the webscope so i placed them in /var/www/vhosts/ but this triggers this error: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(../app/bootstrap.php) is not within the allowed path(s)
01:48<kop>jm_ : Thanks. Where do I RTFM madison?
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01:48<MrBichel>any ideas how i can set it up so i can have files out of webscope?
01:48<jm_>kop: uhm install it and run man rmadison?
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01:49<kop>jm_: Um, ok. Guess I shoulda aptitude searched it.
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01:50<kop>MrBichel : You read up on open_basedir in the php documentation. I change the open_basedir in /etc/httpd/conf.d/ in a file that's either application or php centric. YMMV.
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01:50<kop>MrBichel : But then I use Apache. You may use something else.
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01:51<MrBichel>i will have most of my files out of webscope so it would be nice if evrything in the directory would work
01:51<MrBichel>as pr. default
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01:51<kop>MrBichel : I use apache's "php_value open_basedir=foo" feature/syntax-I-may-or-may-not-recall.
01:52<kop>MrBichel : You can add directories to what php can see.
01:52<MrBichel>i see
01:52<MrBichel>Kop: where should i add these?
01:53<kop>MrBichel : That depends on your webserver. I like the places above. Other people use /etc/php.ini or .htaccess files, but I find these entirely too global.
01:53<kop>MrBichel : Or, I suppose, too hidden.
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01:55<kop>MrBichel : While you're configuring php for a production server it's always a good idea to turn off error-reporting to the web client and turn on all error reporting, including php warnings of unassigned variables and such. (YMMV, newer php releases change defaults and some of this may be done already. Possibly.)
01:55<MrBichel>ok i found php.conf in etc/httpd/conf.d/
01:56<kop>MrBichel : That might be a bit global. You might want to restrict to a subset of document root and make your own config file in conf.d and put your stuff inside a Directory /Directory block.
01:57<kop>MrBichel : httpd -t, and don't forget to restart the webserver after your config passes syntax tests.
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01:58<kop>MrBichel : "tail -f" on the web error logs does not hurt either.
01:59<MrBichel>so where do i add th new file?
01:59<kop>MrBichel : /etc/httpd/conf.d/
01:59<MrBichel>and here i make a directoy for my application?
02:00<kop>MrBichel : Files in that dir are sorted before loading, so that may affect your choice of filename.
02:00<kop>No, you make a file.
02:00<MrBichel>what do i call it?
02:01<kop>MrBichel You put your apache/php custom config stuff in there. (Keeps it nicely separated for future maintenance.)
02:01<kop>MrBichel : You give it a smart name, remembering the alpha loading order matters.
02:02<MrBichel>hmm - so i called it something lik z.. ?
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02:02<kop>MrBichel : Xmyphp.conf or MrBichel.conf or Xmyapp.conf or whatever.
02:03<MrBichel>oh yes i see plesk already put something similoar
02:04<kop>MrBichel : You can get fancy and put it in /usr/local/etc/httpd/conf.d/ and then put a symlink in /etc/httpd/conf.d/, just to keep seriously documented that it's your local stuff.
02:04<MrBichel>the site is probobly not going to contain anymore than this one app
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02:05<MrBichel>so i guess it would be overkill
02:05<kop>MrBichel : It's sorta like having a separate partition for /home, useful for some migrations.
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02:06<MrBichel>i see
02:06<MrBichel>i made the file now
02:06<kop>MrBichel : test with: httpd -t
02:06<MrBichel>from the dir?
02:07<kop>MrBichel : From anywhere.
02:07<MrBichel>syntax ok
02:07<kop>MrBichel : Then you can restart the webserver.
02:07<MrBichel>but i havent put anything in the file yet
02:07<kop>MrBichel :)
02:08<MrBichel>"php_value open_basedir=mydir"
02:08<kop>MrBichel : You may be able to reload instead of restart, but I've not kept track and always just restart.
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02:08<kop>MrBichel : Sounds plausable. Maybe add a comment. To be sure you RTFM.
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02:09<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
02:09<kop>MrBichel : In other words, I forget the details. mydir may need single or double quotes or whatnot.
02:11<kop>MrBichel : Maybe other dirs need to be in there too, like document root. I'm not sure offhand.
02:11<MrBichel>here is an example from <Directory /docroot>
02:11<MrBichel> php_admin_value open_basedir /docroot
02:11<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
02:12<MrBichel>didn't intend it to span multiple lines
02:12<kop>MrBichel : More than a few lines of paste will automaticly eject you from the channel.
02:13<kop>MrBichel : Sounds like you need document root, plus your other directory. Probably separated by a colon. Time to rtfm.
02:13<MrBichel>yeah :) thanks a lot for your help!
02:14<kop>MrBichel : "tail -f" will help too.
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02:14<fodoj>ошибся каналом
02:14<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
02:15<fodoj>ну да не важно
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02:24<kop>What's the best way to run etch but try installing a few packages from lenny? I'm thinking adding APT::Default-Release "stable"; to /etc/apt/apt_preferences and then using "aptitude -t lenny foo".
02:25<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see or see
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02:25<the-dude>yeah that work's but it isdangerous
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02:28<jm_>kop: you'll very soon upgrade your base to lenny
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02:30<kop>the-dude : Why dangerous?
02:30<kop>jm_ : I'm not too worried, given that I want the lenny X development packages so I can recompile a sid xorg driver. :-/
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02:31<jm_>kop: ok then best upgrade to lenny
02:32<kop>jm_ : I really just want to see if I can get X working on the box. It does not detect the video chip, falls back to vesa, and then that does not work either.
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02:32<kop>jm_ : The weird thing is, _all_ I want to do with the box is run mincom in some different X workspaces. (!)
02:33<jm_>kop: what kind of card does it use?
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02:35<kop>jm_ : ATI Radeon X1250 UMA Graphic (7942 chip)
02:35<the-dude>kop: it is not a good idea to mix packages
02:36<the-dude>kop: did you try building a package with module-assistant?
02:36<kop>the-dude : I figure if it rebuilds, then I'm doing my own backport. If something goes wrong at that point then the package dependencies are not right.
02:37<kop>the-dude : I tried 'apt-get --compile source foo'.
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02:37<kop>the-dude : m-a works from tarball or what?
02:38<kop>the-dude : It's an xorg driver, not a kernel driver. (AFICT)
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02:39<kop>jm_ : So, I'm thinking I need the radeonhd xorg driver. (Random google results say support is added to this driver.)
02:39<jm_>kop: is that the same as i8xx crap in that it's using system memory?
02:40<kop>jm_ : Dunno. If I had to choose I'd say yes. (Dell, Latitude XT tablet)
02:40<kop>jm_ : It does have a touch screen and suchlike cool stuff. Too bad I don't care.
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02:41<jm_>kop: ohh, you probably need those AGP modules too then
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02:44<kop>I figured I'd finally learn what I'm doing with apt and multiple releases, because I really want it to be as stable as possible. (It already needs etchnhalf 2.6.24 kernel to get the nic working.) I could give up and just use alternate consoles, but I figured X'd be cool. But I don't really feel like breaking apt and having to reinstall either....
02:45<jm_>you can find newer kernels on
02:45<kop>jm_ : Not new enough it seems, as of a few days ago. And etchnhalf is fine by me anyhow.
02:45<jm_>but I don't think newer Xorg is available there
02:46<kop>jm_ : No, that put me down the compile path.
02:46<kop>jm_ : I thought, why not? Now I am yak shaving.
02:47<jm_>kop: ahh they only have .22 there
02:47<kop>jm_ : The radeonhd thing seems altogether too new. Lord knows the hardware is.
02:49<kop>Install was a pain. I had to use a daily lenny d-i image and then fuss and fuss to get the etchnhalf 2.6.24 kernel on there so I had net access.
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02:54<jm_>kop: kmuto has d-i images with 2.6.24
02:54<kop>jm_ : Too late, I already did the install.
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02:59<kop>What is it that actually starts X? The box does not detect that X does not work and the screen goes blank unless I boot in single user mode. /etc/init.d/gdm does not seem to startx.... (Weirdly, startx knows that X fails and things get back to normal.)
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03:01<kop>I don't feel like just deleting all of X. I'd sooner adjust /etc/rc2.d/ so that it does not try to start.
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03:02<tcsetattr>startx is an *alternative* to [gkxuw]dm. the *dm's run the X server driectly, without the use of the startx script.
03:03<jm_>kop: that might indicate a crash or so
03:03<kop>tcsetattr : Then I'm doing something wrong, or looking in the wrong place, because disabling gdm by renaming the symlink to K still causes the screen to go blank. But only when booting to runlevel 2, not runlevel 1.
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03:03<kop>Could it be console-screen blanking my screen.
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03:04<jm_>cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
03:04<kop>jm_ : Ctrl-alt-Delete still makes it reboot, but none of the ctrl-alt-fN keys switch to anything that works.
03:04<jm_>kop: are you perhaps using FB?
03:04<kop>jm_ : /usr/bin/gdm
03:05<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
03:05<kop>jm_ : Dunno. I did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg one too many times. Now I don't know what I'm trying to run with X. Otherwise, how would I know?
03:05<jm_>kop: that's hjow you properly stop *dm
03:06<tcsetattr>K'ing the rc2.d symlink really should take care of it though.
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03:06<kop>IIRC I even changed the number to K it to something in rc6.d.
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03:07<kop>(like rc6.d's number)
03:07<jm_>kop: fbset -s will show something if you are using F
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03:08<kop>jm_ : fbset: command not found
03:08<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
03:08<kop>Maybe I should try booting into multi-user mode and connecting in with ssh now that the nic works.
03:09<kop>jm_ :open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
03:09<jm_>kop: then it's not FB I suppose - you can disable/reconfigure blanking via console-tools or console-data, I always forget
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03:11<kop>jm_ : Well, I just tried starting console-tools while in single user mode and the screen still works. Maybe I'm doing something dumb. I'm going to try the ssh approach.
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03:15<jm_>kop: single user mode is rather special
03:15<kop>I've removed gdm, and I still get the blank screen at rc2.
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03:17<kop>Poo. ssh does not seem to be on.
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03:24<tcsetattr>the normal console screen-blanker activates after 10 minutes I think...
03:27<kop>tcsetattr : Nah. This is more of a "greyout". The backlight is still on, I think.
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03:28<kop>Ok, I've sshed in. And I see various stuff running
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03:30<tcsetattr>see if you can run "chvt 1" from the remote, and if it has an effect
03:33<kop>dmesg is :
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03:34<kop>tcsetattr : Nothing.
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03:37<kop>Maybe acpid is the culprit.
03:37<jm_>might be
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03:45<kop>Fine, I'm booting in single user mode and manually starting stuff in rc2.d
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03:58<kop>The problem appears to be in /etc/init.d/vbesave
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04:00<kop>Where is $LAPTOP supposed to be set? I could trun it off to disable vbesave.
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04:03<jm_>in /etc/default/acpi-support
04:04<jm_>ahh no it's set in the init script itself
04:04<jm_>by running laptop-detect
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04:04<kop>jm_ laptop-detect has no hooks I can see.
04:05<jm_>kop: why do you have it installed then?
04:05<kop>jm_ It came that way.
04:05<kop>jm_ : Besides, it is a laptop.
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04:06<jm_>kop: well the simplest would be to uninstall it if you don't want to use it
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04:08<kop>jm_ : The tricky part will be remembering to put it back in 3 years when stable supports the laptop.
04:08<hdkiller>Hello, i know it's offtopic, but im looking for somebody who able to fetch a file with 300-400mbps internationally to test a dedicated international gigabit uplink. /msg plz o_O"
04:10<jm_>kop: but don't you just want to run minicoms without turning off display?
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04:11<kop>jm_ : Sure. I just want to be able to _use_ the display. But that's today. Eventually maybe they'll be more going on and I wouldn't want to have to reinstall just because I forgot how to un-mung.
04:15<jm_>kop: well in that case you should figure out how to fix vbesave/restore stuff
04:15<kop>jm_ : I'm trying SAVE_VBE_STATE=false in /etc/default/acpi-support. Which really does not solve my problem because I'll still forget to undo it....
04:16<jm_>kop: indeed
04:16<kop>jm_ : Ok. That does the trick.
04:16<kop>Thanks all for all the support. My brain is full. I need to stop.
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04:16<kop>jm_ : I suppose I could always have a cron job send me an email every 6 months. :-P
04:17<jm_>now I shall be able to fix gkrellm-x86info much faster ;P
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04:19<kop>Maybe I can apt pin the vbesave stuff. Anyhow, not now.
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04:30<technique_>join #debian-fr
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04:31<technique_>salut tout le monde
04:32<technique>hi everybody
04:32<Hydroxide>technique: hi.
04:33<Hydroxide>technique: (this is not #debian-fr.)
04:33<technique>how r u?
04:33<technique>i know
04:33<Hydroxide>technique: ok
04:34<technique>i've just installed debian and i feel lost
04:34<Hydroxide>technique: what are you trying to do?
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04:35<Hydroxide>hi there
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04:35<Guest3315>debian vs ubuntu
04:35<Guest3315>that is the big question
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04:36<fuqface666>weird ircd config
04:36<fuqface666>so wtf
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04:39<Hydroxide>technique: are you still there? what are you trying to do in debian? I understand you feel lost, but I need to know more in order to help you.
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04:45<Hydroxide>morgan`: hi there
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04:53<Hydroxide>wrong window. sorry.
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05:13<Laeborg>Ey :)
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05:24<Wesley>I have a new supermicro machine with a dvd-rom in it, netinstall is unable to detect/mount the cd-rom
05:24<Wesley>how do I go on?
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05:25<jm_>try using 2.6.24 netinst iso
05:26<Wesley>I think I have that
05:26<Wesley>lets check
05:26<Laeborg>how do i change what browse, mirc open a link in?
05:27<Wesley>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 "Etch" - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080218-14:15
05:27<jm_>etch doesn't have 2.6.24 kernel so that would be negative
05:28<Wesley>Ah I see
05:28<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
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05:28<dpkg>i guess etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: Installer images at etchnhalf is also Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
05:29<Wesley>Hmm it gonna be a server so I rather not use an ustable/test version
05:29<jm_>it's not unstable
05:29<themill>Wesley: it's only the installer that is a preview version. (Well.... the kernel is not officially released either, but it should be RSN)
05:30<themill>dpkg: etchnhalf =~ s/Installer images at etchnhalf is also //
05:30<dpkg>OK, themill
05:30<Wesley>I'm not familiair with the term "RSN", what does it mean?
05:31<Wesley>Ahh yes I read up on it. i'm gonna give that a shot
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05:32<dpkg>i guess rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh"
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05:33<Wesley>roger :)
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05:55<Kebianizao|work>which was the script to paste from a text terminal?
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05:56<themill>!pastebin pipe
05:56<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
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05:56<Kebianizao|work>themill: thanks :)
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05:57<themill>dpkg: tell peter_ about confmiss
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05:59<peter_>hello. I have occaionally removed /etc/mysql. apt-get remove and apt-get install does not seem to recreate this folder. Why?
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06:02<avu>dpkg, tell peter_ about confmiss
06:02<avu>themill, how did you do that? :)
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06:05<themill>avu: I've been here long enough that I've got esp-over-ip working well. That, and peter_ asked in #debian-mentors (by mistake) a couple of minutes ago, but dpkgbot isn't there to answer such questions.
06:05<peter_>thanks themill!
06:06<themill>peter_: no worries
06:07<Laeborg>how do i install kdelibs4-dev and all the needed packages?
06:07<avu>Laeborg, aptitude install kdelibs4-dev
06:08<themill>Laeborg: you know that kdelibs4 is not the libs for kde4, don't you...
06:08<Laeborg>nice :)
06:08<Laeborg>i use kde 3.5
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06:09<Laeborg>i need that packages for install kasablanca
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06:09<themill>Laeborg: umm... aptitude install kasablanca?
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06:10<Laeborg>doh why the h*** did i install every package manuel? :P
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06:19<peter_>the mill: sorry this did not help
06:19<peter_>apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-server
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06:20<peter_>is it possible to remove all mysql server stuff completely?? I have no important data there, so do no even need to backup or so
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06:27<gsimmons>peter_: Wrong package. You'd want to run the command on the 'mysql-server-5.0' and 'mysql-common' packages.
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06:38<Wesley>themill; I used the etchnhalf; but it still isn't able to detect/mount the cd-rom (dvd-rom)
06:38<orneo>need help with debian
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06:39<themill>Wesley: :(
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06:44<Wesley>themill; would a normal cd with debian work?
06:44<Wesley>instead of the netinstall
06:44<themill>Wesley: the installer is the same, so there should be no difference.
06:45<orneo>how install debian 4 eith kde from DVD
06:45<themill>!tell orneo about install kde
06:45<Wesley>Mm bummer. I can manualy select a cd-rom but the list doesn't ring a bell
06:45<orneo>!tell orneo
06:46<themill>Wesley: I don't really know any more about the installer... I use it so rarely :) Perhaps the people on #debian-boot will be of more use. They might take a while to answer though, try different timezones etc.
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06:46<Wesley>Ahh I see, i give that a shot, thanks :)
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06:48<orneo>how install kde without gnome
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06:49<themill>orneo: as dpkg just told you, boot with "tasks=standard,kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt
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07:13<padski>software to manage laptop roaimng wifi ?
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07:18<ssdenMjI>Can i ask for help here ?
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07:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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07:33<Stevo>i have a server with plesk, spamassassin installed but no plesk key to manage spammassassin.... all current email accounts are scanned by spammassassin but when i add a new email account it doesnt get scanned by spamassassin
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07:33<Stevo>Can i manage this without a plek key for spammassin and if so how ?
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07:40<padski>Stevo,go ask plesk
07:40<Stevo>padski they will just say buy the spammassassin module wont they ?
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07:50<padski>Stevo, see
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08:30<klando>hello, I have just made some errors, I have build new array (RAID) , and now /dev/sda1 has switch to /dev/sdd1. THe system is now a bit instable.
08:30<klando>what the best way to repair that ? (remount using uuid ?)
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08:34<jm_>or configure udev to give more reliable device names
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08:35<klando>oh, yes, good idea jm_ , what about the hd(0,0) from grub, it will work anyway ? (the raid card is 3ware), does the card will change the boot order ?
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08:39<jm_>klando: hmm no idea about that, hopefully not
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08:40<klando>yeah, hoppefully right now filesstem is read-only, and begin to break IO
08:40<klando>okay, reboot .... :-/
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08:58<robocop>Hi there.can someone please tell me how to installthe ati drivers please.thanks
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09:00<the-dude>robocop: module-assistant
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09:01<robocop>the i just type that in then?
09:02<dpkg>methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
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09:03<the-dude>robocop: yes install it and run it
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09:04<swami>hi there
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09:04<swami>is some one working with netbeans?
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09:05<azeem_>swami: all the netbeans people, I guess
09:05<azeem_>or do you mean someone in here?
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09:06<robocop>the-dude, hhmm.interesting doing root module-assistant gave me this message command not found
09:07<the-dude>robocop: apt-get install module-assistant
09:07<robocop>the di thought I was missing something.thanks
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09:09<robocop>the-dude, .ok module-asssiant is installed now.whats my next step please :)
09:09<swami>how can i access the shell from the netbeans IDE
09:10<azeem>swami: isn't that a netbeans question, rather than a debian question?
09:10<dpkg>it has been said that ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. <radeon>, <radeonhd>
09:10<swami>then can u help me find the netbeans chanell ..please
09:11<azeem>no idea
09:11<azeem>swami: did you try to google for it?
09:11<swami>and i agree with not related
09:11<swami>yes i'm doing this right now
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09:12<swami>i tought i get lucky with some ppl that know that already
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09:16<the-dude>robocop: did u run module-assistant
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09:23<spq>i need a newer version of an unofficial debian package (it is not hosted on the debian mirrors) i have an older version and the package can be build from source (changes, dsc and tar.gz files are there) and installed via a deb file. but now there is a new version of the project but the debian maintainer does not anymore update his packages - i would like to create new deb packages based on the old packages with a new tarball from the project
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09:34<the-dude>spq: try alian
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09:36<rjent>Greetings, when I have a system authenticating against openldap + libnss, all is authenticating as I expected but I am unsure how to reset a users lost password from the remote systems?
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09:52<spooge>has anyone installed firefox3b5?
09:52<spooge>i'm having trouble
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09:55<jthomas>Is anyone having networking issues on Sid? I installed the Kubuntu beta and my networking was horrible, so I've moved to Sid and it is not better. I can SSH into my Sid computer, but after a few seconds my session freezes; I can get about one command executed. I am wondering if this is common right now, or if maybe I have network card issues or something...
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10:00<OdyX>jthomas: are you using Knetworkmanager ?
10:00<OdyX>depending on your card, it can be bad regarding routes
10:01<jthomas>OdyX: Not that i specifically installed, but if it came with KDE-base I may have it. Let me see if I can get that info from my home system, one moment
10:01<jthomas>No, I am not (and I was able to get that command executed)
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10:02<jthomas>might it *improve* my networking if I install it?
10:03<OdyX>well... it could improve your GUI experience... but about the networking, I'm not sure at all...
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10:04<jthomas>improve the GUI experience how (I don't change network addresses nor use that machine on wireless)
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10:14<OdyX>jthomas: in that case.... not
10:15<jthomas>ok, thanks! But, no one else has networking issues in here, huh? I wonder what is going on...
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10:19<OdyX>jthomas: are you using resolvconf ?
10:19<OdyX>what network device ?
10:19<keratacon>oh this isn't cool. the power went out on my laptop, and when i reboot, fsck is failing on the /var partition. my system is set up on LVM and i'm in single user mode and kind of need to get this working.
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10:23<jthomas>OdyX: No, I am not. What is it? Should I use resolvconf?
10:23<OdyX>depends... :)
10:23<jthomas>It is my standard eth0
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10:23<jthomas>Although, it is listed as eth1 for some reason, now that I check
10:23<OdyX>Ok, do you set it up with static IP or with dhcp ?
10:24<jthomas>It is DHCP, but my router always gives it the same address
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10:25<OdyX>what's the content of /etc/resolv.conf before and after connection freeze ?
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10:26<OdyX>(I suspect the name resolution because it is a problem I have had...)
10:27<jthomas>OK, resolvconf isn't installed, but that file reads, "nameserver" which I would think is my router; that has OpenDNS for its nameservers. I don't know if that changes after the freeze or not, since I only experience the freeze from a remotre box (but I do experience bad networking at home all the time since this started)
10:27<OdyX>keratacon: fsck probably gave you a piece of advice on how to get the fs back running
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10:39<keratacon>OdyX, all it says is that fsck failed with code 8, and that a log has been written to /var/... and that I should repair it manually
10:39<keratacon>but since it is /var that is failing
10:39<keratacon>that doesn't give me too much information
10:39<OdyX>keratacon: you should dive into man fsck..
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10:40<keratacon>hints on what I should be looking for in there?
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10:50<keratacon>ok, looks like its solved. when i said to ignore the error, /var mounted just fine, so i ran fsck with an alternate superblock and it fixed it.
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10:50<iceman84x>ciao a tutti
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10:51<iceman84x>qualcuno puo' aiutarmi??? ah istallare la dock bar
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10:51<iceman84x> su ubuntu
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10:52<Ollie>Hey, running etch on KDE but I want to know the command to uninstall and completely remove all gnome related stuff
10:52<Ollie>Including apps
10:52<gsimmons>!remove gnome
10:52<dpkg>remove gnome is probably remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common
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10:56<Ollie>Just removing now, thanks gsimmons
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11:10<Laeborg>is there any way that i can make a "folder" in my menubar?
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11:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. <radeon>, <radeonhd>
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11:30<robocop>can someone please tell me what the command is to install the ati drivers....thanks
11:30<themill>!tell robocop about fglrx one-liner
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11:30<themill>robocop: haven't I done that a couple of times today already?
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11:33<robocop> disnt work...sorry
11:34<themill>!doesn't work
11:34<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
11:34<robocop>error message is something to pay someone something for the drivers
11:35<themill>robocop: can you please pastebin the exact error message.
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11:41<dpkg>[ftp] (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine.
11:41<Laeborg>!ftp clients
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11:43<robocop>error message is this : E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver
11:45<themill>robocop: And did you add non-free to your sources.list?
11:45<swami>is there some channel with suport for netbeans
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11:45<themill>swami: there's a #netbeans on
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11:46<Laeborg>my sound doesn't work. When i try to play some music there isn't any sound at all, and I can see my sound card in Control Center
11:48<themill>Laeborg: make sure you use aplay from the command line for testing and not something like amarok or mplayer. Something like: aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
11:48<Laeborg>*K Info Center
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11:49<robocop> do I do that please?
11:49<swami>Thanks themill
11:50<themill>!tell robocop about non-free sources
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11:51<Laeborg>aplay doesn't work
11:51<Laeborg>aplay: main:550: audio open error: Ingen sådan fil eller filkatal
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11:53<robocop>i never thought just wanting to install drivers with debian would be so time consuming and irritating
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11:53<Laeborg>!tell Laeborg asus
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11:55<phillipsjk>!alsa checklist
11:55<dpkg>i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted (or for some cards muted!) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? Don't use a media player with an mp3 to test your sound, use aplay with a wav so codec issues don't ...
11:55<Laeborg>1: checkt, 2: checkt, 3: can't find alsamixer?
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11:57<themill>robocop: it's not... you just seem to be completely unable to follow any instructions. And btw you should complain to ATI for their fglrx driver being proprietary software hence making it harder for debian to distribute it.
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11:58<Laeborg>how can i see what my soundcard is called? ect dsp1, dsp2
11:58<Kebianizao|work>anybody knows who's the op on #debian-es?
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11:58<Kebianizao|work>Laeborg: cat /proc/asound/cards
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11:58<Laeborg>now my soundcard is gone
11:59<Laeborg>could see it yesterday
11:59<robocop>the-dude, ....if anyone saw what dpkg says......would baffle anyone....thats what Im saying
11:59<zarchne>Laeborg: /dev/snd/*
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11:59<themill>robocop: I know exactly what dpkg says.
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11:59<Laeborg>cat /dev/snd/ ?
12:00<cahoot>Laeborg: no cat /proc/asound/cards
12:00<Laeborg>19:59… zarchne: Laeborg: /dev/snd/*
12:00<Kebianizao|work>Laeborg: alsaconf
12:00<zarchne>Laeborg: listen to cahoot.
12:01<robocop> info useful to me....although it says something about non contrib stuff...but it doesnt tell me what i need to do to insta;ll the ati driver which was my problem is the 1st question requires one answer...not lots of answerrs and an argument
12:01<robi>how can I update gnome from 2.14.3 to gnome 2.2??
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12:03<themill>robi: there are two steps here. 1) allow apt to install non-free software on your machine. 2) install fglrx-* packages. It does tell you exactly what you need to do. Please ask for clarification about which parts you don't understand rather than just complaining that it doesn't work. Otherwise, volunteer after volunteer will just give up helping you.
12:04<Laeborg>i have just runned alsaconf again, and i selected my onboard sound device, but still i can't see it when i run cat /proc/asound/cards
12:04<themill>robi: erm... sorry.. that wasn't for you
12:04<robi>can you help me?
12:05<fxiny>do the acid test : ask ;)
12:05<themill>robi: there is no way of getting newer gnome in etch, but lenny has a newer version if you really really want to go through the hassle associated with running testing instead of stable.
12:05<aureil>can someone help with splashy ?
12:05<themill>robocop: there are two steps here. 1) allow apt to install non-free software on your machine. 2) install fglrx-* packages. It does tell you exactly what you need to do. Please ask for clarification about which parts you don't understand rather than just complaining that it doesn't work. Otherwise, volunteer after volunteer will just give up helping you.
12:05<cahoot>Laeborg: cat /proc/asound/cards lists no card att all?
12:05<robi>how can I update gnome from 2.14.3 to gnome 2.2
12:05<Laeborg>theres one
12:06<cahoot>care to share?
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12:06<Laeborg>thats all
12:07<robocop>themil....i really appriciate yuour helpies....and yes i can see ati are the culprits....and yes i know you are all volunteers.........i just wish it could be more easier to install the drivers thats all Im saying :)
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12:08<cahoot>Laeborg: you don't believe that's your soundcard?
12:08<robocop>I gfound this site from google
12:08<Laeborg>hmm going to look at the soundcard :P
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12:10<gatocaradepez>I had a problem installing Debian 4.0r3 etch; it doesn't recognize my cdrom unit
12:10<phillipsjk>robocop, Since there appear to be a pre-built package for what you want, I should be easy. (provided you know how to use the package system) The alterantive is runnig an installation script written by ati that may have problems with the package system (may be overwritten by upgrades, etc.)
12:11<Laeborg>can it be my tv-card?
12:11<gatocaradepez>I tried a debootstrap install but I didn't get so much good results
12:11<Laeborg>if not it is my soundcard
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12:12<cahoot>Laeborg: might be
12:12<gatocaradepez>could anyone help me?
12:12<cahoot>Laeborg: could you paste the output of lspci -v | grep -i audio ?
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12:14<phillipsjk>gatocaradepez, What interface does the CD-ROM use?
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12:14<Laeborg>it is my tv-card :/
12:14<cahoot>Laeborg: you have one onboard (the via) and one pci card for sound?
12:15<phillipsjk>If it is ATAPI, The problem will be misconfigured hardware or a disconnected cable.
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12:15<Laeborg>i wan't to use the pci
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12:15<gatocaradepez>well well. the point is that I am installing from a DVD inserted in the cdrom unit
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12:16<cahoot>Laeborg: try modprobe snd-cmipci
12:16<beer>does someone know when the dependency problem with kde4 in experimenak is fixed?
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12:16<phillipsjk>CD-ROM's can't read DVD disks. the data density is much higher than for standard CD's
12:16<themill>Laeborg: can you tell us the PCI ID of the card? lspci -nn | grep -i audio
12:17<phillipsjk>THe reverse works: DVD drives can read CD-ROMs.
12:17<gatocaradepez>I have a dvd-rw unit. I say cddrom because i use to say it that way
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12:18<fxiny>dash or plus R ?
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12:18<gatocaradepez>I can run the install program but, I have to do it with acpi=off
12:18<fxiny>so it runs
12:19<gatocaradepez>otherwise it fails
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12:20<phillipsjk>gatocaradepez, that is a problem with ACPI, not your DVD drive then.
12:20<gatocaradepez>it doesn't recognize my dvdrom unit
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12:21<gatocaradepez>so what could I do then?
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12:21<phillipsjk>Deos it recognise your DVD drive with acpi=off ?
12:21<gatocaradepez>that is the point
12:22<gatocaradepez>if I run the install program just with install, it fails and stop
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12:22<phillipsjk><gatocaradepez> I can run the install program but, I have to do it with acpi=off
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12:23<gatocaradepez>if I do it with install acpi=off, it runs but doesn't recognise my dvdrom unit
12:23<aureil>gatocaradepez, how old is your machine ? is your bios acpi compliant ?
12:24<phillipsjk>check [alt]-[f4] for error messages?
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12:25<gatocaradepez>ok, ok. I have a core 2 duo processor with an LG dvd unit (I bought my pc five months ago)
12:25<aureil>gatocaradepez, ok, il should ;)
12:26<lixi_>how to install compiz-fusion ?
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12:26<aureil>gatocaradepez, is debian the first system you install on it ?
12:27*phillipsjk guesses it was runnig a windows varient for ~5 months
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12:28<phillipsjk>Were you able to do things like watch DVDs under windows?
12:29<aureil>phillipsjk, you don't know if you're right (for the system) :p
12:30<phillipsjk>aureil, 97% of new machines come with windows pre-installed (+- 2%)
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12:30<aureil>phillipsjk, arf, this time you're right :(
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12:33<gatocaradepez>the dvd unit is working correctly on wondows
12:33<gatocaradepez>works correctly on ubuntu 7.10
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12:34<gatocaradepez>I had first windows
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12:34<phillipsjk>Ubuntu 7.10 is a CD-ROM, not DVD correct?
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12:35<gatocaradepez>but I was able to read dvds on ubuntu
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12:35<aureil>gatocaradepez, at what time does the install process stop ? is it always the same step ? could it be a problem with the media ?
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12:37<gatocaradepez>ok the install process stop always in the same step, yes and is something related with acpi
12:37<themill>gatocaradepez: have you tried an installer with a newer kernel than etch's 2.6.18?
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12:38<Laeborg> - themill
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12:38<Laeborg>output from lspci -nn | grep -i audio
12:39<cahoot>Laeborg: did you try modprobe snd-cmipci?
12:39<themill>Laeborg: according to kmuto's hcl, that card is only supported with kernels 2.6.24 and newer.
12:39<gatocaradepez>mmm you mean a non-stable version of debian
12:40<Laeborg>cahoot: nothing happend
12:40<aureil>gatocaradepez, what is the symptom of the problem ? does the install process stop quietly ?
12:40<themill>gatocaradepez: I mean the install use either the kmuto installer or the etchnhalf installer
12:40<Laeborg>themill: what about the onboard sound?
12:40<cahoot>Laeborg: i e no error msg?
12:40<Laeborg>no cahoot
12:40<themill>gatocaradepez: You still end up with an etch installation, but with a newer kernel.
12:40<cahoot>Laeborg: cat /proc/asound/cards still doesn't list it?
12:40<themill>Laeborg: the VIA HDA chip is the one that's only supported with 2.6.24 onwards.
12:41<Laeborg>themill: okay, what about the pci ?
12:41<Laeborg>yeah now it is, cahoot
12:41<cahoot>as card1?
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12:41<themill>Laeborg: which one? You can try yourself:
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12:42<cahoot>Laeborg: run asoundconf and amke it default
12:42<cahoot>then run speaker-test -t wav
12:42<Laeborg>asoundconf set-default-card 1 ?
12:43<cahoot>asoundconf list
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12:43<cahoot>to see what corresponds to CARD
12:43<Laeborg>hmm nothing under names :S
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12:44<cahoot>Laeborg: ok try alsamixer -c1
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12:45<Laeborg>now i see C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6
12:45<Laeborg>thats my soundcard
12:46<cahoot>try speaker-test -Dplug:hw:1 -t wav
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12:46<gatocaradepez>ok ok
12:47<Laeborg>wee it work :D
12:47<Laeborg>front - left :P
12:47<gatocaradepez>I want to kno ho to make an installation ith another kernel without using debootstrap
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12:47<Laeborg>whats next?
12:47<cahoot>Laeborg: ok now you can modify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base to make it default
12:47<Laeborg>okay :)
12:48<Laeborg>hmm where in that file?
12:48<cahoot>Laeborg: - see 3.14
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12:49<gatocaradepez>please I want to know how to make an installation ith another kernel without using debootstrap
12:49<cahoot>Laeborg: since the module wasn't loaded automagically you might need put it in /etc/modules
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12:51<phillipsjk>etchnhalf uses a new cd image as does kmuto
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12:51<dpkg>from memory, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
12:51<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
12:51*themill upgraded his laptop to the etchnhalf kernel this afternoon
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12:53<Laeborg>hi again
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12:53<Laeborg>cahoot: can you please send the link again, my computer died
12:54<cahoot>Laeborg: - see 3.14
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12:56<phillipsjk>gatocaradepez, If use the small images, you will want to add your DVD to the sources.list !apt-cdrom
12:56<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources. Ask me about apt-cdrom_external
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12:59<phillipsjk>Guten morgen.
12:59<peefg>is anyone here? pls
12:59<peefg>hey, how can I get the right user panel?
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13:00<llin-debian>right click panel/properties
13:01<peefg>hmm, I think Im blind, I dont see nothing...
13:01<peefg>where concretelly can I find it?
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13:02<llin-debian>you using gnome?
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13:04<llin-debian>The GHOME Panel
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13:04<llin-debian>which panel are you using?
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13:05<phillipsjk>llin-debian, peefg quit, came back and quit again.
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13:10<fishstink>Anyone know how I upgrade my openoffice 2.0 to 2.4 ? I am using Debian distribution?
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13:13<StarkD>I need help to connect to a netowrk HP printer at "hp:/net/HP_Color_LaserJet_4730mfp?ip=". I don't find any installation option for using hp:/ in CUPS at localhost:631
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13:14<petemc>StarkD: i would guess that means jetdirect
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13:16<the-dude>StarkD: are you able to ping the jetdirect device?
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13:18<themill>StarkD: do you have the hplip package installed?
13:19<StarkD>no actually I can't. I'll check the printer then...
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13:22<StarkD>damn it, the ethernet cord wasen't plugged in! why would anyone remove it? thanks for the help :)
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13:28<Student>hey hey :) some1 plzz help me
13:29<themill>!just ask
13:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:29<Student>I have a difficulties in installing DEbian on my Laptop
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13:29<Student>the only way i can boot is by floopies or by Hard disk
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13:30<Student>i did boot from floopies but i am not able to access my HD
13:30<Student>i tried to boot from my HD by copying necessary files on it but it won't boot
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13:32<_>Student, what is your laptop ?
13:33<Student>Dell LAtitude L400
13:33<Student>my booting option are limited
13:33<Student>i cannot boot from CD or USB
13:34<spq>i need a newer version of an unofficial debian package (it is not hosted on the debian mirrors) i have an older version and the package can be build from source (changes, dsc and tar.gz files are there) and installed via a deb file. but now there is a new version of the project but the debian maintainer does not anymore update his packages - i would like to create new deb packages based on the old packages with a new tarball from the project
13:34<spq><the-dude> spq: try alian
13:34<spq>you mean alien, right - but doesnt alien just recode from rpm to deb?
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13:36<Student>i am able to deploy any data on my Hard disk , but using the floppy boot, i am unable to mount my hard disk
13:36<EmleyMoor>Is there a list anywhere of which nvidia cards are supported by the nvidia driver and which by the nvidia-legacy driver? Also, is the Belkin F5U219 USB2 card any good on a Debian box?
13:37<themill>spq: check out
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13:37<Student>i should be able to mount my hard disk , secondly i should be able to install/execute from the files in the Hard disk
13:38<Student>I just Formatted my Hard Disk partititions to FAT
13:39<alephnull>Student: Have you seen ?
13:39<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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13:40<Student>yes yes erKURITA
13:40<erKURITA>did you try mounting from a LiveCD ?
13:40<Student>well alephnull i am looking now
13:40<Student>erKURITA actually there is no built in CD rom in my notebook
13:41<alephnull>Netboot and installing via NFS seems to be general strategy.
13:41<erKURITA>... say what?
13:41<erKURITA>it has to be a very old laptop then
13:41<erKURITA>then you'll have to go the way alephnull is saying
13:42<spq>themill, thanks, that looks good
13:42<Student>well it is not very old lap top , to keep the size compact it does't have cd rom
13:42<alephnull>erKURITA: It has a PIII Coppermine CPU ...
13:42<themill>spq: no worries
13:42<Student>alephnull: netboot? :)
13:42<alephnull>Student: Boot via PXE.
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13:43<Student>how to boot via PXE?
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13:44<EmleyMoor>Can I use the Belkin F5U219 card in Debian? I may have a motherboard USB fault/incompatibility and fitting that may help my situation
13:44<alephnull>Student: Setup a tftp server on the network and tell you laptop BIOS to boot using PXE.
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13:44<spq>wont usb boot work?
13:44<alephnull>Student: But since you have a floppy drive, you can use that instead.
13:44<erKURITA><Student> i cannot boot from CD or USB <=
13:44<spq>i think netboot is much harder
13:44<EmleyMoor>It looks like it may be good
13:45<Student>spq: no there is no Bios option to boot from USB
13:45<spq>oh, neither cd nor usb
13:45<Student>alephnull: well yes my floppy boot is working
13:45*EmleyMoor prepares for a sort maintenance window to change a card and add a further one
13:45<spq>what options do you have?
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13:45<Student>but i am stuck on the installer screen , i can't mount my Hard disk
13:46<Student>spq: Removable Devices, Internal HardDisk, PCMCIA CD ROM , Network Boot
13:46<erKURITA>pop up a console and fdisk -l
13:46<spq>removable devices could include usb
13:46<Student>spq: no it is not working , i tried to attach a UsB CDrom with no avail
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13:47<Student>i am able to boot the system but i am failing to install the Debian System over the machine
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13:47<spq>hm, probably there is a all in one method for netbooting an iso image - that would be easier than setting up nfs, tftp, ...
13:48<spq>why are you failing
13:48<erKURITA>a dhcp server can do that
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13:48<Student>but i wonder why i am not able to boot from my Hard disk
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13:49<Student>i copied the neccessary files on my Firs Partition of Hard disk but still it is not able to boot
13:49<Laeborg>i can't see my soundcard when i run cat /proc/asound/cards
13:49<spq>what do you mean with copy?
13:50<alephnull>Student: Copy files over to your HDD is of no particular use.
13:50<Student>spq: there is a option by which you can boot from HD
13:50<EmleyMoor>Can't find anything definitive about this USB card but it stands a good chance
13:50<Student>A.2.5. Booting from hard disk
13:50<Student>It's possible to boot the installer using no removable media, but just an existing hard disk, which can have a different OS on it. Download hd-media/initrd.gz, hd-media/vmlinuz, and a Debian CD image to the top-level directory of the hard disk. Make sure that the CD image has a filename ending in .iso. Now it's just a matter of booting linux with the initrd. Section 5.1.2, “Booting from Linux Using LILO or GRUB” explains one way to do it.
13:50<Student>that is what i did but it is not working
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13:51<spq>what filesystem has that partition?
13:52<spq>anyway, have to go - good luck
13:53<spq>i think your try is the best in your case
13:53<spq>so - bye
13:53<fxiny>Student: can you paste your floppy grub nemu ?
13:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
13:55<Student>what is a Floppy GRUB menu?
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13:57<fxiny>Student: that's what you need for yor hd install
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13:57<Student>how to get one?
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13:58<aaaaaaaaaa>hi everyone
13:58<Student>hi aaaaaaaaaa
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14:04<EmleyMoor>I've just remembered I may not have a spare PCI slot...
14:04<EmleyMoor>Still, the graphics card swap will be going ahead anyway
14:05<Student>fxiny are you still here?
14:05<EmleyMoor>Bye for now
14:05<fxiny>Student: i know there is something called supergrub on the net . i've never used it , anyway first you should read all debian docs after "Section 5.1.2, Booting " to learn how to edit grub menu or learn how to use grub cli
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14:06<alephnull>Student: You might find useful.
14:06<Student>ok alephnull thanx
14:07<fxiny>Student: i have done many hd install booting from grub , it works
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14:14<fxiny>Student: supergrub is gpl , grab it and use the cli
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14:18<Student>ok thanx fxiny, let me check
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14:28<Villarroel>It's possible to have hardware acceleration on intel video cards?
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14:31<rostedt>hi all!
14:31<rostedt>I royally fsck'd up
14:31<rostedt>my print server runs debian testing
14:31<rostedt>but with some recent upgrades, hplip broke
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14:32<rostedt>and installing from the sourceforge web site it sometimes worked (well before it did)
14:32<rostedt>but not this time
14:32<rostedt>I tried to "downgrade" to debian/stable
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14:32<rostedt>and went slowly through packages to downgrade
14:33<rostedt>but now I accidentally got rid of apt-get and apt-utils
14:33<EmleyMoor>Google Earth now runs (slowly!)
14:33<alephnull>rostedt: hplip is packaged for debian, you don;t need to install stuff from sf.
14:33<EmleyMoor>I haven't installed the nvidia drivers yet - I gather they will help it
14:33<rostedt>alephnull: that version didnt' work
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14:33<rostedt>it use to
14:33<rostedt>alephnull: but then it broke, and I found that the sf version worked
14:33<rostedt>alephnull: but this time it neither of them worked
14:34<rostedt>I figured that I would try stable
14:34<rostedt>but now hplip is not the problem
14:34<rostedt>my problem is, how do I go about getting apt-get back? ;-)
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14:35<alephnull>rostedt: apt-get is in the package apt.
14:35<alephnull>rostedt: The pacakges should still be in your cache.
14:35<EmleyMoor>My scanner appears to work too!
14:35<EmleyMoor>(on the new USB card)
14:36<rostedt>peabody:/var/cache/apt/archives# find /var/cache/apt/ -name '*apt*'
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14:38<rostedt>alephnull: here are the only files in my cache
14:38<rostedt>with apt in it
14:38<rostedt>aptitude wont install because of dependencies
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14:39<rostedt>apt isn't in my cache because I haven't installed it in a long time
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14:39<rostedt>and I've done a apt-get clean since then
14:39<rostedt>but removing it wont save the package
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14:39<alephnull>apt only requires libc6, libgcc1, libstdc++6 and debian-archive-keyring
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14:39<rostedt>I think that's part of my problem
14:40<alephnull>So, you can just get those debs are recover.
14:40<rostedt>the fact that I wastrying to downgrade some of the libc stuff
14:40<rostedt>alephnull: thanks, I go searching for them
14:40<alephnull>!pdo apt
14:41<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
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14:44<sini>dumb question; but i've goodled... I need to know how to get a list of /manually/ installed packages, and not dependancies
14:45<sini>dpkg -l just lists all installed packages; which isn't what I'm looking for
14:45<dpkg>No packages found matching just lists all installed packages; which isn't what I'm looking for
14:45<weasel>sini: dpkg doesn't keep track of that
14:45<sini>what does? aptiude?
14:45<weasel>sini: apt and dpkg don't have a concept of that
14:45<weasel>only aptitude does
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14:46<sini>Then how does apt-get know what's okay to auto-remove?
14:47<weasel>that's sid or testing and new.
14:47*weasel is talking about stable.
14:47<sini>Alright, assume I'm running sid or testing :P
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14:49<sini>aptitude search '~i!~E' | grep -v "i A" | cut -d " " -f 4 seems to have done what I need
14:50<sini>I appreciate it anyways :)
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14:54<EmleyMoor>I am trying to write a routine to send a mail to a fixed address, with a fixed body and an attachment, from within a shell script - I have tried using nail and the mail never arrived
14:56<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: use echo -e 'To: foo@address\nFrom: bar@bleh\nSubject: baz\n\nbleh bleh bleh\n'|/usr/lib/sendmail foo@address ; or similar.
14:57<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: If you can come up with a way to do that with an attachment, that would be great
14:57<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: attachments are a bit of a pain. Is the attachment static?
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14:57<rostedt>dpkg conflicts with apt (<< 0.7.7)
14:57<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: if not, I personally suggest using mutt.
14:57<rostedt>I guess I need to downgrade dpkg :-p
14:58<dondelelcaro>or upgrade apt
14:58<dondelelcaro>(since versions >> 0.7.7 *are* available)
14:58<rostedt>dondelelcaro: I'm trying to downgrade from testing to stable
14:58<rostedt>I'm having printer issues
14:58<rostedt>it use to work
14:58<rostedt>then I did an upgrade
14:58<rostedt>and it stopped working
14:59<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: No, the attachment is a file generated earlier in the script
14:59<rostedt>I'd figure I'd try to go to stable and see if that's better
14:59<rostedt>but I screwed up in doing the downgrade by losing the apt utils
14:59<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: yeah, then mutt is the easiest way.
15:00<EmleyMoor>OK - assuming I have the fixed body in a text file, how do I script such a thing with mutt?
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15:01<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: mutt -i foomail.txt -a attachment -F /dev/null -s 'the subject'; or similar.
15:01<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: try it first, because I probably forgot a flag to get it to not put that all in an editor
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15:05<Laeborg>is there a version of notepad++ for debian?
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15:05<Mantaar>Laeborg: vi.
15:06<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: That awaits confirmation that the address and subject are correct
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15:06<EmleyMoor>How do I stop it prompting for anything and tell it just to get on?
15:07<Laeborg>how do i install that?
15:08<Mantaar>20:09 < Laeborg>
15:08<Mantaar>damn that was a mispaste> sORRY
15:08<cahoot>try the README?
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15:09<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: ah, I remember now; it's mutt -a attachment -F /dev/null -s 'the subject' < foomail.txt; or similar.
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15:10<Laeborg>hmm when i am in KWrite, and click at a line, the whole line be black
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15:18<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... works in testing, doesn't work in implementation
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15:22<kop>EmleyMoor : IIRC I used metamail for stuff like that. (If I think I know what your doing.)
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15:24<robocop>ok ok......aam I correct in saying that becaause of the licenses stuff.....Debian cannot offer any help in installing ati or nvidia graphics drivers?
15:25<Mantaar>robocop: search the debian wiki about nvidia. AFAIK, Debian's *users* can provide anything they want, and users are Debian, after all, an integral part of Debian anyways...
15:28<epilido>grub problem. I just reinstalled debian testing. had a previously working sid install that was 3 years old. so the hardware worked fine last night. I have 1 ide hd in pri master then 2 dvd drives in ide secondary master/slave. 3 sata drives of which debian is installed to the sda named drive in knoppix and that it what device map is saying also. when I boot I get a grub error 2 which is no disk. under knoppix I when I attem
15:28<epilido>pt find /boot/grub/menu.lst I get file not found but i can mount the drive and look at it. any suggestions???
15:29<robocop>please....I only want to do one thing....just to install the ati drivers so my linux box will work properly :)
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15:32<_>robocop, please join #sidux-cf
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15:34<robocop>erm why should I join sidux-cf?................I jusst want to know how to install the sodding graphics drivers for ati......dead easy stuff to foolow??
15:35<robocop>is there like a telephone number i can call and sort it out that way?
15:36<_>robocop, try join #sidux-cf first
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15:36<epilido>robocop.....did you look at the tutorial I sen you????
15:36<Laeborg>i have installed thunderbird with this command: aptitude install mozilla-thunderbird, but i cant find it anywhere
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15:38<sepski>robocop, type into your irc client /msg dpkg ati
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15:38<Nemoder>Laeborg: you can run dpkg -L mozilla-thunderbird to see what files it installed and where
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15:43<epilido>any grub wizards out there????
15:44<EmleyMoor>kop: I'll try anything as long as it works when implemented
15:44<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro's suggestion works on the command line but doesn't work in the shell script
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15:47<EmleyMoor>kop: Just to clarify, I want to mail a fixed body and a variable attachment to a fixed address from within a shell script
15:47<_>Laeborg, mozilla-thunderbird is named icedove in debian
15:48<EmleyMoor>(it's called by scanbuttond)
15:48<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: uh... it should work in the shell script too
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15:48<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: what exactly is it doing in the shell script?
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15:49*dondelelcaro has used it in shell scripts quite a bit
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15:49<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: Nothing visible and no resuly
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15:49<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: are you running with set -e? does it return non-zero? Is there something special about the environment that the script is running in?
15:49<EmleyMoor>(I can't observe it - it's impractical.
15:50<EmleyMoor>The script runs through but the mail never materialises
15:50<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: what happens when you run with set -x and set -e?
15:51<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: I can't - because scanbuttond is calling it
15:51<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: uh... of course you can, and moreover, you can run the script manually as your user.
15:51<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: I would have to feed it the right options
15:51<EmleyMoor>It's taking me time to work out
15:52<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: it wouldn't be hard to report what those options are and write things to a file
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15:52<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: also, when mutt is called, you should see your MTA which is local to the box get called, and you can check things that way
15:53<dondelelcaro>(and it's also possible to run mutt with -d2, which will write debugging output)
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15:56<EmleyMoor>MTA shows no obvious action
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16:02<EmleyMoor>Right - I get the following being output when mutt is called:
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16:02<EmleyMoor>Can't dotlock /root/sent.
16:02<EmleyMoor>Couldn't lock /root/sent
16:02<EmleyMoor>Could not send the message.
16:03<EmleyMoor>I think I may have seen part of the problem now... let me rerun...
16:03<robocop1>ok........correct me if Im wrong......but Im unable to install the correct drivers for my ati 9600xt card.....unless i pay ati or debian.....when i pay everything should work?
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16:03<themill>robocop1: no... wtf.. argh! *sob*
16:04<epilido>robocop I pointed you directly tward a step by step tutorial to install ati drivers on debian!!
16:04<themill>As did I. Twice.
16:05<weasel>some people just can't be helped
16:05<robocop1>thwmikll.......they are not working!!.....thaats all I many messages after installation sayng error this....error that
16:05<weasel>they have to want to read
16:05<themill>robocop1: Have you enabled non-free repositories in your sources.list? (Hint: this is a yes/no question)
16:06<robocop1>epilado...>I know....i followed the instructions.....same thing happened....i can only think that maybe either Im crap at debian or the doewnloawd for the drivers was crap to
16:06<themill>robocop1: Have you enabled non-free repositories in your sources.list? (Hint: this is a yes/no question)
16:06<robocop1>themil......its no use assking me stuff when Ive asked how to do that
16:07<themill>robocop1: that would make the answer "no", wouldn't it?
16:07<weasel>the ... wayyy... you .type.... makesm e thing that you.... are just ....not careful.... at doing stuff ............... exactly.byt..........howtos
16:08<EmleyMoor>Damn! Once again, when called from the real place in the real circumstance, the mail fails to show up
16:08<EmleyMoor>... and a sent.lock gets left behind!
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16:11<EmleyMoor>This is a worst nightmare situation - everything tests perfectly but doesn't work in practice
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16:12<robocop1>themill....ok let me try and are telling me to add something to the sources list?
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16:14<robocop1>Themill so what is it and how do I do it?..what do I type in terminal please?
16:15<themill>robocop1: yes. You needed to add "contrib non-free" after "main" in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
16:15<themill>robocop1: (don't include any of the quote marks though)
16:15*EmleyMoor gives up on "scan to email" for now
16:15<themill>EmleyMoor: is it a path issue, if it didn't work from the daemon?
16:16<EmleyMoor>"a path issue"? I don't think so... it creates a sent.lock then obviously fails for some reason
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16:17<robocop1>the-dude, so its addadd "contrib non-free" after "main" in the file /etc/apt/sources.list as root then?
16:17<themill>EmleyMoor: the $PATH will different for the daemon cf your logged in user. That can cause such problems.
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16:18<themill>EmleyMoor: ^be
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16:18<EmleyMoor>themill: I ran it as same user
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16:19<themill>EmleyMoor: but does the daemon sanitise its path? (many do) Are you calling commands from your script that are outside /bin and /usr/bin?
16:19<EmleyMoor>themill: I don't think so, no and no
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16:20<robocop1>is there a contact number for debian at all?/
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16:20<themill>EmleyMoor: hmmm....
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16:22<Laeborg>does icedove work with gmail?
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16:23<EmleyMoor>Laeborg: I can't see why it wouldn't, if you configure both appropriately
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16:26<padski>there is a util to tell you what packages you have installed from which release. what is it ?
16:27<weasel>I use
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16:28<dondelelcaro>padski: aptitude search can also tell you.
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16:28<dondelelcaro>padski: aptitude search '?narrow(?archive(stable),?version(CURRENT))' FE.
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16:31<padski>superb, thank you both :-)
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16:35<epilido>grub will not find any files with the find command. find /boot/grub/stage1 returns error 15 no files found...
16:36<armag>question about the experimental repository; I know if you have it in your sources.list and it won't install a package unless explicitly requested -- but what about upgrading packages you already installed from the experimental branch? ie, kde4... when 4.1 hits the repos, will I have to manually go through and request each package w/ -t experimental again?
16:36<armag>or will apt know that since it's from the experimental branch already it's okay to upgrade
16:36<dondelelcaro>armag: it won't upgrade them either.
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16:37<armag>but I should just be able to say upgrade and then the parent meta-package, right?
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16:42<ervis>kde vs gnome ?
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16:43<ervis>kde vs gnome ?
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16:45<ervis>what is the best kde or gnome ?
16:46<Gathond>I dislike both:)
16:46<padski>ervis, you get to choose. you can have both if you like :-)
16:46<padski>ervis, or neither
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16:46<Gathond>too much bloat, icons and panels for my taste
16:47<armag>both are fine environments
16:47<armag>I think I prefer KDE personally.
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16:48<padski>twm forever! ;-)
16:48<armag>I need to check out xmonad
16:48<armag>I used to swear by fvwm; but I'm afraid it's a bit dated at this juncture.
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16:50<tcsetattr>last week I finally got around to chasing a bug in twm that had been bothering me. turned out to be a mistake in the .twmrc I've been carrying around from machine to machine the whole time. like 12 years. 2 functions with the same name. cut and paste error
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16:52<armag>Can you show me a screenshot of an instance where twm doesn't look horrible?
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16:52<padski>armag, it looks great when there are no windows :-)
16:52<tcsetattr>horrible is in the eye of the beholder. I think that pale gray color that infests all Motif/gtk/qt widgets is horrible.
16:53<tcsetattr>things that help twm: SqueezeTitle; IconifyByUnmapping
16:54<tcsetattr>OpaqueMove... RandomPlacement maybe (although that one has its disadvantages)
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16:55<padski>armag, (i don't know but...) can you just do apt-get upgrade -texperimental
16:56<tcsetattr>I seem to recall Debian's default system.twmrc has some ugly colors in it too. like radioactive-green menus
16:56<padski>hmm... that was a a while ago wasn't it :-)
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17:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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17:49<nirgal>Hi all! With lenny (not officially supported I know), aptitude dist-upgrade wants to remove a whole bunch of xserver-xorg-videoXXX packages such as xserver-xorg-video-nv because it depends on xserver-xorg-core that conflicts with xserver-xorg-video1 provided by all theses xserver-xorg-videoXXX packages; on the other hand aptitude safe-upgrade want to keep all theses packages to their current version. What is really strange is that using aptitude menus,
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17:56<Double>how to use unrar to extract a split rar file to a folder
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17:57<cwood>You can read "man unrar".
17:58<Double>just type that in?
17:58<Double>sorry i am nube
17:58<cwood>Yes. Type that in and then read what comes up.
17:58<dpkg>[man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @
17:59<_fang>hey! i'm using autoconf/automake for the first time and i would like to place a configuration file for my program in /usr/local/etc. where and how do i place the instruction for doing so ( or, even better, does anybody have a link explaining it? thx
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18:00<Double>still does not tell me how to open a split rar
18:00<Double>with unrar
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18:01<Double>little din't help man
18:01<cwood>That tells you how to use unrar. If you need information about the rar file format, you can go search on google, right?
18:01<cwood>Just unrar the .rar file.
18:02<Double>i did
18:02<Double>it says cannot open file
18:02<cwood>The rest, if the archive is intact, will be read by unrar normally.
18:02<Double>allright tell me if this is how to type it
18:03<Double>name of the file is Midnight Club 3 split.part1.rar
18:03<Double>i typed
18:03<Double>unrar e midnight Club 3 split.part1.rar desktop
18:04<Double>is it right <cwood>
18:04<cwood>You should read "man bash", the section on quoting. You need to quote the file name if it has spaces. You possibly need the full path to the destination path.
18:04<Double>allright i'll try that
18:05<cwood>Perhaps see...
18:05<dpkg>rumour has it, tutorial is at
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18:05<Double>i quoted it but it still says that <cwood>
18:05<petemc>just tab complete the filename
18:06<Double>same problem
18:06<petemc>what does it say, exactly?
18:07<Double>cannot open then the directory
18:07<Double>"cannot open" then the directory
18:07<cwood>It doesn't understand where "desktop" is.
18:07<Double>my home desktop
18:07<Double>i put that directory in too
18:07<cwood>Well, where is your home desktop?
18:07<Double>just to make it short
18:08<Double>to be exact
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18:08<petemc>itym /home/user/Desktop/
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18:08<cwood>so if you typed in "ls
18:08<cwood>"ls \home\double", without quotes, what do you get?
18:08<cwood>If you don't get your home directory listing, then your directory syntax is wrong.
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18:09<weasel>erm \ != /
18:09<themill>weasel: nice set of leaning toothpicks.....
18:09<weasel>I doubt \home\double is what he wants tho
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18:10<weasel>themill: and they even have a hidden meaning
18:10<weasel>themill: so many things in one, how will the average #debian chatter cope!
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18:24<Dani>tudna nekem valaki valami segítséget adni ?
18:25<weasel>try on
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18:29<sun>what image browser can preview .nef (raw nikon tiff) files?
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18:31<tj_>anybody know how to install latest java,re frostwire...please
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18:32<Mantaar>sun: if it's supported by ImageMagick, you could try any program that implements IM. I prefer feh.
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18:34<Dani>I have a strange problem with debian.... Can someone help me?
18:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
18:35<Mantaar>not if you don't tell us about it, Dani.
18:35<tj_>java anyone?
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18:36<Mantaar>tj_: java what?
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18:36<cwood>tj_: I've had some luck with downloading Sun's rpm's and then using alien.
18:36<tj_>the newest jre6 would you know how to install it
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18:36<Mantaar>cwood: why would you want to do that when there is a native Debian method (actually, two)
18:37<Mantaar>tj_: what version of Debian are you running?
18:37<cwood>Because I haven't installed Java that way since before I started using Debian.
18:37<Laeborg>how do i install the right java for mozilla?
18:37<Laeborg>Java Runtime
18:37<Mantaar>Laeborg: apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
18:37<tj_>debian i686 i think
18:38<Laeborg>Mantaar: it cant find that package
18:38<Mantaar>tj_: not arch, but version. Like, sarge, etch, lenny, sid
18:38<cwood>apt-get install sun-java6-bin
18:38<Laeborg>that neither, cwood
18:39<tj_>ok will try that thankyou
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18:39<Mantaar>Laeborg: that means you're on etch. There is a backport for etch, try using backport mirrors.
18:39<blarson>Laeborg: Do you have nonfree in your sources.list ?
18:39<Mantaar>ah, yeeh, and what blarson said.
18:40<Laeborg>deb sarge main contrib non-free ?
18:40<Mantaar>Laeborg: I don't know of any backport for sarge :-(
18:40<cwood>Oh, why not? That's available in Sid. But I forget that many don't use it.
18:40<Mantaar>Sarge has hit EOL anyways, you might want to consider dist-upgrade.
18:40<Laeborg>deb etch-backports main contrib
18:41<Mantaar>Laeborg: ?? Well, yes.
18:41<Mantaar>!tell Laeborg about backports
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18:44<tj_>it didnt install said couldnt find package etc,any ideas,
18:45<Mantaar>tj_: what distro ar you on?
18:45<Dani>I have a problem: I have a server but it's not work well becouse after 10-15 minutes when i start the server I can't conncect ssh or I can't ping it....
18:46<Dani>but inside the server room I can ping it....
18:46<tj_>im trying to think one minute
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18:47<Mantaar>tj_: no thinking involved: cat /etc/debian_version
18:47<tj_>sorry mate gnome is that right
18:48<Mantaar>tj_: are you kidding me?
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18:49<tj_>yeh just kidding,not 4.0 the one before that
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18:50<tj_>cant remember its late here
18:50<Mantaar>so it's sarge?
18:50<tj_>i thought it was etch
18:50<Mantaar>just cat /etc/debian_version and we'll know.
18:50<cwood>Dani: Could you clarify, where can you ping/ssh to it, and where can't you ping/ssh to it?
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18:51<tj_>ok thanks anyway mantaar
18:51<Mantaar>... yeah, whatever.
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18:51<Mantaar>In case it's sarge:
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18:52<weasel>if it's sarge, upgrade.
18:52<Dani>I can ping it just the server room! I can piong it just 5-10min after the start and after it I can't and I tell the operator and I say I'd like to restart my PC and I can it again,,,,
18:52<cwood>Dani: when you're at the console, can you ping or ssh out? What do the logs in /var/log tell you about the problem?
18:54<Dani>No I'm at home now! Sry but I can't sent the log for you becouse the server stopped again :S
18:55<Dani>but I didn't find any strange information at the log....
18:55<klando>hello, I have some issue with a 2Ware 9690SA, when adding arrays, devices are not created (nothing in /sys/block/) and when I delete one array, it remove the /dev/sda
18:56<klando>even if it is not the correct device
18:56<klando>any idea ?
18:57<cwood>Dani: It might be upstream, or overheating, or something else... but this might be easier to fix if you were at the machine.
18:58<klando>(using the 3w-9xxx module)
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18:58<Dani>The machine is new!! And the operator said tha he can ping it from inside the console room!
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19:00<cwood>Dani: If you have a traceroute to the machine, you can compare that with a traceroute from when it's not accessible.
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19:04<themill>weasel: if you're looking for a replacement for your apt-listchanges script, then try: dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'
19:04<weasel>why is yours better?
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19:05<themill>weasel: "not invented here" syndrome?
19:05<curtis>tj, are you there?
19:05<weasel>NIH is a bad reason for changing stuff.
19:05<weasel>also, your version has ugly colons that make it a pain to script with
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19:05<themill>weasel: heh
19:05<weasel>so thanks, but no thanks
19:06<curtis>does debian freeze up alot?
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19:11<themill>weasel: it was actually an exercise for me in brushing up some awk-fu (and I meant "alternative" not "replacement".... sorry, that didn't sound right). Being a one-liner can also be handy; the colon thing is trivial to fix if it's a problem.
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19:12<themill>weasel: It's a reasonably frequently asked question so I was interested in your script and comparing it to the shell script I wrote for it a while ago.
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19:17<Vantage13>hi, i'm having trouble getting sound to work in flash using iceweasel, sid, and the latest flashplugin-nonfree package. I've tried setting FIREFOX_DSP to aoss, but haven't had any luck. All other sound is working fine. Any ideas?
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19:21<Laeborg>i can't get my soundcard to work or it worked earlier today with the aplay-test thing
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19:28<zarchne>Vantage13: do you have a file /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c ?
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19:28<Vantage13>zarchne: yes
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19:28<Laeborg>i don't think my soundcard is loaded, what can i do?
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19:29<h0ax>I'm looking to build a site based around a certain aspect of debian, any ideas
19:29<zarchne>Vantage13: wait, I don't actually know about sid and the latest flashplayer. Did you have sound working in iceweasel and flash in etch?
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19:30<Vantage13>zarchne: I've been running sid on this box since woody :)
19:30<zarchne>Laeborg: do you have alsa-utils installed?
19:30<Laeborg>hmm not sure
19:31<witte>Laeborg: you had yesterday...
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19:31<zarchne>Vantage13: then you should know more than I do, I guess. What I know pertains to etch.
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19:31<Laeborg>witte: then i sitll have
19:32<witte>Laeborg: what happens if you do the aplay stuff now
19:32<witte>Laeborg: no error
19:32<Laeborg>hmm one moment
19:34<zarchne>Vantage13: with alsa (apparently properly working), 1) firefox-bin doesn't try to open /dev/dsp (AFAICT), so *_DSP environment vars are ineffective. 2) There is a limit to how many processes can open /dev/snd/pcm...something, which can be exceeded.
19:34<witte>Laeborg: try to rerun alsaconf
19:36<Laeborg>alsaconf: done
19:36<witte>ok, try to run aplay on a wav file that you have on your system (probably you have some in /usr/share/sound
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19:37<witte>rather /usr/share/sounds
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19:38<witte>Laeborg: LANG=C aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_UnMaximize.wav
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19:39<Laeborg>aplay: main:550: audio open error: No such file or directoryk
19:41<witte>Laeborg: does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" result in anything?
19:42<zarchne>Laeborg: That might be expected if you don't have kde installed...
19:42<Laeborg>apecat: fejl ved skrivning: Ikke mere plads på enheden (something like 'error with writing: no more space on the device)
19:42<Laeborg>i have changed from gnome to kde
19:43<zarchne>Okay, nevermind.
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19:44<witte>Laeborg: ok, can you do "ls -al /dev/dsp"
19:44<daniel_>alguien vive
19:44<Laeborg>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10358784 2008-05-07 03:42 /dev/dsp
19:45<witte>Laeborg: mmm, mine is crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-05-06 23:08 /dev/dsp
19:45<h0ax>I'm looking to build a site based around a certain aspect of debian, any ideas
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19:46<witte>Laeborg: which makes it very strange as not only it has different security settings, it is also considerately bigger :-)
19:47<Laeborg>okay :S
19:48<witte>Laeborg: the reason you can not play music is also there: you device is part of the root group, while mine is part of the audio group
19:48<Laeborg>how do i change this?
19:49<witte>Laeborg: I think it is not a question of changing, but finding the way that debian makes it correct (which is not necessarily the same thing)
19:49<witte>did you do anything special with /dev/dsp today?
19:50<Laeborg>well i don't think so. cahroot helped me alot earlier
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19:52<witte>Laeborg: I know more or less how to get your device as mine, but i am almost certain it is not the way to go
19:52<Laeborg>okay, i can show you logfiles from earlier, and then you can see what i did?
19:52<witte>Laeborg: ok, that would be interesting
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19:57<tcsetattr>the fact that /dev/dsp is a regular file is more surprising than its group affiliation...
19:58<witte>tcsetattr: i agree, but i have no idea why or how this would be created
20:00<Laeborg> - The logfile from earlier today
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20:02<zarchne>witte: duh, if someone goes "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" to test dsp, and /dev/dsp doesn't exist before...
20:02<tcsetattr>yeah, you created it.
20:02<zarchne>she will now have a /dev/full of random bytes.
20:02<witte>zarchne: ah, that could well be the case :P
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20:03<zarchne>(fs holding dev will be full due to regular file /dev/dsp, I mean, of course.)
20:03<witte>zarchne: i tried the same thing on my pc, and the /dev/dsp was still small, didn't think about that :-)
20:04<witte>Laeborg: yeah, delete /dev/dsp
20:04<Laeborg>rm -rf /dev/dsp ?
20:04<zarchne>anyway, ls -l /dev/dsp should look something like "crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-04-27 00:43 /dev/dsp":
20:04<Laeborg>and then?
20:07<tcsetattr>missing device files? blame udev.
20:07<themill>!blame udev
20:07*dpkg blames | and udev for the end of life as we know it
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20:08<zarchne>Laeborg: does lsmod include snd_pcm_oss?
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20:09<witte>Laeborg: can you try to do the things again that themill and cahoot told you earlier today, you have the log...
20:09<Laeborg>yeah i can do that
20:10<themill>Laeborg: didn't we decide that you needed to be running a 2.6.24 kernel for that sound card to work properly?
20:10<Laeborg>themill: that was the onboard soundcard
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20:11<Laeborg>haven't tried to get the onboard to work. its the pci card i can't get to work
20:11<themill>Laeborg: did you check it against kmuto's hcl too?
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20:12<Laeborg>dont know what that is, so i think not
20:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at, see to see what's supported by the linux kernel,,, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn>
20:12<themill>Laeborg: second last url in there
20:12<Laeborg>well i got the pci card to play the test file earlier
20:12<Laeborg>so don't think it is a kernel problem
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20:14<Laeborg>20:46… cahoot: try speaker-test -Dplug:hw:1 -t wav
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20:28<VTommy>hello guys
20:28<VTommy>i started to install dtc with all it's packages is there a way to remove all dependencys with it?
20:29<zarchne>VTommy: start with aptitude
20:30<VTommy>i tried can't figure it out properly
20:30<VTommy>i have started to install it but to many problems with it
20:30<VTommy>will try something else
20:30<VTommy>if i use dpkg -r dtc* would that work?
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20:32<VTommy>any other way to do it or maybe example how it's done ? little guidance :-)
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20:33<witte>VTommy: aptitude remove dtc should work, if not, try aptitude remove dtc*
20:34<witte>VTommy: check what will be uninstalled before pressing enter ;-))
20:36<VTommy>how to tell if all dependencys have been removed
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20:40<iceman84x>hi all
20:40<iceman84x>im italian
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20:52<witte>VTommy: you can try deporphan
20:52<witte>VTommy: that would be deborphan
20:53<xzero>hey guys.. have a bit of a problem with a bridged connection. The system has two nics and the connections are bridged fine, but whenever the PC on the NIC that's connected by a crossover reboots, the bridge is lost on the linux machine and the only way to fix it is to bring the other bridged nic down and up again. Any suggestions?
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20:55<VTommy>what is the best way to remove the xwindows system from debian, i do not need that at all
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20:57<zarchne>VTommy: well, xserver-xorg is pretty far down...
20:58<tcsetattr>far down on the server side, but the client side is a whole separate stack
20:58<tcsetattr>x11-common seems to be far down in both
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20:59<VTommy>ok if i use aptitude to remove all x11 stuff would that remove most of it
20:59<VTommy>the problem i have is to free has much has possible for other server process
21:00<chealer_>!tell VTommy about xwindows
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21:00<VTommy>yeah that's what i whant to remove chealer :-)
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21:02<VTommy>i'm using aptitude now seems that i'm getting somewhere :-) once you know how the app is working :-)
21:04<blarson>I see the 5:15 train is running late again...
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21:07<zarchne>VTommy: of course, I mostly use aptitude from the command line, but if you're getting the hang of the screen interface, so much the better.
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21:23<Laeborg>rar for debian?
21:24<dpkg>somebody said unrar was a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
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21:52<thepretender84>can anyone get there iGoogle page?
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22:02<mysupper>hello guys
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22:26<loopdee>is possible to run 2 xservers with 1 dual screen video card?
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22:30<loopdee>hmmm, with a seperate mouse and keyboard for each ?
22:30<sun>hi does anyone know if songbird (firefox music player) is in a package or how to install on debian?
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22:39<mzilikazi>bash Q: how to convert this: 1.ogg 2.ogg 3.ogg 10.ogg to this: 01.ogg 02.ogg 03.0gg 10.ogg
22:42<Nemoder>mzilikazi: use the rename tool
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22:51<Student>i run "setup.exe" to install a window os, can i manually install Debian the same way?
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22:52<Student>any1 alive? :)
22:52<Nemoder>Student: debian has it's own program that starts automaticly when you boot from the install CD
22:53<Nemoder>if you want to install debian inside windows then you would need a 3rd party util like:
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22:54<Student>Nemoder: ok let me check goodbye thing
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22:55<qq>loopdee, do you may use two seperate mouses and keyboards on your box (in the same time) ?
22:55<Student>Nemoder: basically i can run this utility from Windows graphical interface only?
22:55<Student>what i needed was something to run in MS-Dos mode
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22:56<Nemoder>hm, I'm not aware of any dos programs to start a debian install, are you not able to boot from CD?
22:56<loopdee>qq yes
22:57<Student>no i am not able to boot from CD , but the CD image is copied to my hard disk
22:57<gdiffey>Nemoder: there's a windows program to install debian
22:57<qq>loopdee, great !
22:57<loopdee>qq but for different screens
22:57<Student>what i am looking for is some manual way to start the installation
22:57<Nemoder>Student: are you booting from floppy disk?
22:57<gdiffey>Student: debian-installer
22:57<Student>Nemoder: yes i booted from floppy via Ms-Dos
22:57<Student>gdiffey: ok where i can get that?
22:58<qq>loopdee, that is that box ?
22:58<Nemoder>Student: try this: it is a floppy image that will let you boot from CD even if your bios does not support it
22:58<c_newbie>hello, ive tried installing debian 4.0 r03 in my dell server, the NIC led both are on, my switch and server, but while i was installing, the installation could not detect both NIC. is there any kernel issue within etch r03 ?
22:58<loopdee>qq, 1 box, 2 monitors, 2 mice, 2 keyboards seperate xservers
22:58<Student>gdiffey: if it is on the CD1, i probably already have that , specify location
22:58<Student>Nemoder: ok dear let me check
22:59<c_newbie>or should i tried with etch r01?
22:59<qq>the name of that box loopdee
22:59<loopdee>qq, there is no name
22:59<Student>gdiffey: as i already said i need a installer for MS-Dos :)
23:00<loopdee>cant boot with the cd?
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23:01<c_newbie>anyone, please?
23:01<loopdee>c_newbie maybe boot knoppix see what it finds?
23:01<gdiffey>Student: if your machine can't boot from cdrom or usb. and doesn't have windows. what are the specs of the machine?
23:02<qq>Student, witch processor has that machine ?
23:02<c_newbie>loopdee, when the server load the installer, i saw the NIC is detected..
23:03<Student>it is intel x386
23:03<loopdee>c_newbie, what server
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23:03<qq>Student, witch exactly ?
23:03<Student>Nemoder: the site you gave me won't open
23:03<Student>qq: 700 Mhz intel
23:04<Student>qq: it is dell LAtitude L400
23:04<c_newbie>loopde: my dell Pe 2970
23:04<Nemoder>Student: hmm try
23:04<Student>Nemoder: ok
23:05<loopdee>doesnt dell give boot discs based on linux to install linux or windows ?
23:05<c_newbie>should i go trying to install with etch r01 ?
23:05<tcsetattr>why not use the actual Debian installer floppies
23:05<qq>Student, we just answord you : use nfs installer
23:05<Student>well unfortunately i don't have CD Rom Attached to my system right now
23:05<loopdee>student, usb disk ?
23:06<loopdee>thats how i got deb on my laptop
23:06<Student>loopdee: it won't boot from usb port
23:06<Student>qq: where i can find a NFS installer?
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23:06<qq>Student, google for it
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23:06<Student>network file system?
23:07<Student>what is NFS?
23:07<qq>network file system
23:07<Student>rather what does it stand for?
23:07<Student>well i don't have network support
23:07<qq>Student, google for it
23:07<Student>or rather i don't have network support to my laptop
23:07<stratman4300>having an odd problem with the java plugin latelly.... whenever i start a java app in a browser it starts eating 100% of my proc and the applet runns un-usably slow..... anyone run into this???
23:08<stratman4300>running java plugin 1.6 with iceweasel.... running Lenny
23:08<stratman4300>same results with java 1.5
23:09<chealer>c_newbie: yes
23:09<c_newbie>chealer: was etch r01 and r03 built in different kernel?
23:10<chealer>c_newbie: not really, it's Linux 2.6.18 for both
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23:10<c_newbie>hm, weird..
23:10<Student>qq: i am not sure if googling for NFS would be of any help since i don't have network support to my computer
23:11<c_newbie>chealer: ive download both amd64 and i386, and tried with 4 of my dell server, and all not detect the current NICs
23:11<qq>Student, buy on
23:11<chealer>c_newbie: that was a yes to " is there any kernel issue within etch r03 ?", not "should i tried with etch r01?"
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23:12<qq>Student, like: Cardbus PC Card
23:13<Student>qq: :)
23:13<Student>you are sending me the long route
23:13<Student>and i am looking for something simple and easy
23:14<qq>Student, all are doing a long route to come here ...
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23:14<Student>qq: well well :)
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23:14<Student>when most of us already did the long route, now life should be simple and easy
23:15<Student>if we keep long routing , i am not sure if we are going in the right direction
23:15<loopdee>c_newb have to compile driver from broadcom ?
23:16<Student>check this out
23:16<Student>Alternatively, if you intend to keep an existing partition on the hard drive unchanged during the install, you can download the hd-media/initrd.gz file and its kernel, as well as copy a CD iso to the drive (make sure the file is named ending in .iso). The installer can then boot from the drive and install from the CD image, without needing the network.
23:16<Student>why this is not working ?
23:16<Student>i copied all the required files on my HD
23:17<loopdee>student, those files copied to... c drive?
23:17<Nemoder>it's a fat32 partition on the drive currently?
23:17<Student>loopdee yes
23:17<Student>yes the Drive is Fat32
23:18<Nemoder>and which installer are you booting with?
23:18<Student>i have to find Lilo
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23:19<Student>Is Lilo present on CD1.iso?
23:20<qq>Student, btw ,a computer w/o a network connection is useless
23:20<Nemoder>lilo or grub is installed from the installer
23:21<Nemoder>Student: is it possible to hook up that CD again? I think using that smart boot manager with a CD would be easiest
23:22<Student>yap i have to search for it
23:22<Student>that is the easiest for sure
23:23<mysupper>I will recommend grub.
23:23<chealer>!tell Student about cd contents
23:24<mysupper>grub with debian CD can do boot almost anything.
23:24<Student>chealer: what?
23:24<chealer>Student: did you see the message sent to you by dpkg?
23:24<Student>yes :)
23:26<Student>chealer: i already downloaded the CD1 image
23:26<Student>chealer: copied it to my C: FAT32 HD both in compressed and uncompressed forms
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23:27<Student>i am able to boot via Ms-Dos bootable floppy, and navigate through my copied files
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23:30<ranix>a six fingered man killed my father
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23:33<gdiffey>Student: that's not going to help you.
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23:34<Student>what is not going to help me?
23:35<Nemoder>mzilikazi: wow that took me awhile, my regexp is rusty but anyway try this: rename 's/(^[0-9]\.)/0$1/' *.ogg
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23:42<Student>Nemoder: what to copy on the CD? the .iso file or the uncompressed files?
23:42<Nemoder>Student: you need to instruct your burning software to load the .iso file and burn it
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23:43<Student>i.e. the compressed file
23:43<Nemoder>iso isn't really compressed it's literally a copy of the cd
23:43<Nemoder>you shouldn't extract it, just burn it back to CD
23:44<Student>thanx , thanx for your input
23:44<Nemoder>perhaps that is why it was not booting for you, that boot information is stored in the iso as well
23:44<Student>i have put both the .iso and the non iso versions on the HD
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23:45<Nemoder>Student: what burning software are you using?
23:45<Student>i hav't burnt any CD yet since i don't have any CD facility available to my target machine
23:46<Nemoder>but you did at one point?
23:46<Nemoder>er how did you get the images on there? with dos programs?
23:46<Student>i just copied the files to my hard disk
23:46<Student>what images?
23:46<ranix>cd facility is overrated
23:46<Nemoder>the iso iamge
23:46<Student>i copied it via internet
23:47<ranix>Student: did you debootstrap?
23:47<Student>what is debootstarp?
23:47<Nemoder>so the machine was booted into windows at some point?
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23:47<Student>Nemoder: well the older system was XP on that machine, but then i formatted the HArd disk and then copied the file on C:
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23:48<Student>Nemoder: when i check for hidden files , it did't show any files present on the C: except for the file i copied
23:48<Nemoder>Student: you took the hard disk out and put it in another machine?
23:49<Student>Nemoder: yes
23:49<Nemoder>ahh ok
23:49<Student>using HD - Usb :)
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23:51<Nemoder>well what I would do is burn a CD on your current machine, hook up that HD to the usb again (disconnect your current machine's drive if you want to be safe) then boot up the installer and put a basic system on that drive via usb
23:52<Nemoder>then you shoule be able to put the drive back in the other machine and still be able to boot it
23:52<Student>sound interesting
23:52<Student>let me try
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23:54<Nemoder>or just take your cdrom out and hook it into the other machine
23:54<Student>it is an IDE Cd rom ,
23:55<Student>i am unable to find a IDE-Parallel port connector for that IDE-CD rom
23:55<Student>wait a minute
23:55<Student>i have an IDE to USB connector
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23:56<Student>but it is of no use for my Lap top because it won't detect my USB port
23:56<Nemoder>that should work too although you may need to use that smart boot floppy to start it
23:57<Student>i tried to boot via floppy and then try to find my USB port via root prompt but it is not installed
23:57<Student>i.e. /dev/sda1 is not installed
23:57<javo>hi. anyone knows about how to enable true transparency to my Xorg ?Im using debian testing with the open source ATI driver
23:58<Student>actually the matter of fact /dev/hda is not present either
23:58<Nemoder>those linux on floppy images are very small, they probably don't have drivers for everything
23:58<Nemoder>I would try the smart boot and see if it can find it
23:58<Student>where to find the "smart boot"?
23:59<Nemoder>that sbminst.exe will create a floppy image
23:59<javo>i've read that xorg 6.8.0 supports now true transparency, but i dont know how to enable it and i did not find any info on google
23:59<Student>Nemoder: are you talking about sbm.bin file?
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