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00:00<Nemoder>javo: if you mean transparent windows you might need to enable Composite in your xorg.conf
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00:01<Nemoder>Student: ah sbminst needs to be run from a DOS cmd
00:02<Nemoder>sbminst -d 0
00:02<Nemoder>that would overwrite whatever floppy disk you have in the drive
00:02<javo>Nemoder: I've had already enable composite in my xorg.conf... but dont have true transparency working (i.e. if i move a window in background of katapult i can see that transparency is not real)
00:03<Nemoder>javo: check your window manager settings
00:04<javo>Nemoder: how can i do that?
00:04<Nemoder>javo: if composite is enabled there then maybe check your xorg log file and see if there are any errors, some ATI cards might not support it
00:04<Nemoder>javo: that depends on what window manager you use, I'm only familiar with xfce myself
00:04<javo>Nemoder: thanks i'll check for thtat log
00:04<javo>Nemoder: Im using kdm and kde
00:05<Student>Nemoder: why it will overwrite whatever floppy disk in the drive?
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00:06<Nemoder>Student: the smart boot manager program replaces what is on the floppy so you can use it to boot up any device in a machine
00:06<Student>umm well
00:06<Student>let me try
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00:11<june>아~ 잘됩니다 ^^
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01:20<daniel_>Mmmmm, typing this from my newly installed debian system in a bitchx window... I have a 8800GT and it doesn't seem to be able to start X, error message: "No devices detected". Is this normal behaviour for the latest version of debian etch with nvidia 8800GT cards?
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01:21<gsimmons>daniel_: The 'nv' and 'nvidia' drivers available for Etch do not support the GeForce 8 series.
01:21<daniel_>What's the best way of "solving" the problem? Preferably through apt, because I love it's ease
01:23<jm_>!simple sid backport
01:23<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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01:25<daniel_>I tried manually installing the drivers from the nvidia website, but it was causing me headaches because it couldn't find kernel headers and what not
01:25<jm_>don't do that
01:28<qq>daniel_, apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.*
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01:28<simonrvn>heh, just got this: "Window manager warning: Received a _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE message for 0x3400003 (Configurat); these messages lack timestamps and therefore suck."
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01:31<qq>daniel_, but better update to lenny (?)
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01:33<daniel_>would changing references to etch in sources.list and dist-upgrading be enough?
01:33<qq>yes daniel_
01:34<qq> and apt-get update , first
01:34<markybob>you should probably upgrade using aptitude...better conflict/dependency resolutions
01:37<jm_>upgrading to lenny will not help you with nvidia driver
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01:38<qq>jm_, so need sid ?
01:39<markybob>it will with nv driver
01:40<qq>markybob, no nvidia in sid ?
01:40<jm_>qq: yes
01:41<qq>jm_, ok
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02:41<mzhang>dli, there?
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03:01<yury>anyone running lenny and compiz get the recent x11 update?
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03:06<yury>It seems to have broken some stuff. Part of my window borders are transparent now and aall of the sudden drop shadows as well
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03:08<yury>also slows everything down
03:10<phillipsjk>yury: sounds like extra eye-candy.
03:10<yury>no, it's not
03:10<yury>the shadows, maybe
03:10<yury>but they were not present before
03:10<yury>whatever, I can remove those
03:10<yury>but here
03:10<yury>let me show a screenshot
03:10<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
03:11*yury likes enter
03:11*phillipsjk needs to stop using "..." when he is finished talking ...
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03:13<yury>sorry about the size. See the inconsistent transparencies on the terminal edges
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03:15<yury>I think the speed issue resolves itself when I decrease the shadows, but I am not sure why they appeared there in the first place
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03:17<jm_>I don't think it's inconsistent, it looks like it's done on purpose
03:18<yury>really? how so?
03:19<yury>it makes only a small part of the border transparent
03:19<yury>rather, it makes a small part more transparent than the rest. Also, why would this come in as a result of an x11 update. there were no compiz updates in this batch.
03:20<yury>it could be because the xserver gained a capability it did not have earlier, but I find this doubtful
03:20<phillipsjk>I'm not sure what those grey vertical bar on the sides of the term window are sopposed te be though. Did they previously have an opaque version?
03:20<yury>fully opaque
03:21<yury>here is what it looks like if I remove transparency
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03:23<yury>and it is still very slow
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03:26<phillipsjk>yury extra functionality is possible if the video driver was updated. I see wah you mean now: from the bottom it goes: tranparent-opaque-transparent-opaque, while form the side it goes opaque-transparent-opaque.
03:27<yury>not sure I got that, but alright
03:27<phillipsjk>It is possible that the terminal program window was not desigened with transparency in mind.
03:28<yury> and yes, it seems the video driver got updated
03:28<yury>well, it worked before just fine, with both beryl, and compiz fusion up until this xorg update
03:28<yury>getting a lot of (II) intel(0): fbc disabled on plane a
03:29<yury>hm... seems to be a known 1.4 issue
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03:33<alaya>maybe slightly OT; but i just tried the latest knoppix and was impressed by the gui effects. want to install it now in sid. is that just compiz they are using?
03:34<markybob>alaya yes
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03:34<yury>so, no ideas?
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03:35<phillipsjk>not really. I'm still in 2D land.
03:35<yury>maybe I'll rollback
03:36<phillipsjk>Aside from disabling eyecandy that may have been enabled, but previously had no effect.
03:36<yury>meh, way too many packages however
03:36<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
03:36<yury>it's called manually installing over packages, and it is no fun
03:36<yury>yeah, what dpkg said
03:37<phillipsjk>I didn't know that myself just a few months ago :p
03:37<yury>except, maybe apt-get xorg=fooversion
03:38<phillipsjk>dpkg seems to say that would work if the file formats didn't change.
03:38<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, phillipsjk
03:38<alaya>compiz errored out saying no Xgl and no metacity. I'm using kde so why would it want metacity, and where do i get xgl?
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03:42<phillipsjk>alaya "apt-cache search returned this for glx: t1lib-bin - Type 1 font rasterizer library - user binaries
03:42<opteek>ive just installed lenny, and apt-got the gstreamer-real-bad codec package, but cannot play an m4a file, which codec am I missing?
03:42<phillipsjk>*"apt-cache search glx"
03:43*zarchne debates.
03:43<zarchne>One of debian (stable)'s strengths is upgrading while maintaining configuration. If you don't care about losing that.... you can always purge and reinstall the lower version.
03:43*zarchne shrugs.
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03:45<opteek>anyone? which codec do i need for m4a music files
03:45<phillipsjk>alaya this may resove the metacity error (library only) : libmetacity0 - library of lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager
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03:48<phillipsjk>opteek: does m4a stand for mp4- container, AAC (apple) encoded?
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03:50<zarchne>looks like mp4 audio only, not protected
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03:51<zarchne>opteek: libmp4v2-0 ?
03:52*yury tests
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03:52<alaya>phillipsjk: may. may not
03:52<alaya>thanks jm_
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03:53<alaya>so compiz under sid is a no go without xgl?
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03:55<phillipsjk>If my computer wasn't so dumb, I'd swear it was trying to tell me something.
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04:04<yury>well, downgrading fixes the problem
04:04<yury>I guess I'll pin the packages for now
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04:04<simonrvn>pin? you mean put them on hold, right?
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04:06<yury>actually, I think the term is pin
04:06<yury>but whatever
04:06<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
04:06<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
04:09<yury>hold then
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04:13<fredo>Anybody from Mexico?
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04:14<Hydroxide>fredo: it's not the most likely time of day/night to find Mexicans here.
04:15<Hydroxide>fredo: if you want Debian help in Spanish, join #debian-es
04:15<fredo>ty :D
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04:26<pleb2>Hey all, Im setting up a new server, when partitioning, ive always given alot of space to /, around 4gb to swap and about 16 gig spare, just incase i need it somewhere, Am i right in thinking it would be better to NOT do this?
04:26<weasel>it depends
04:26<pleb2>would it be better from a disk checking point of view to have a smaller root and a larger home and var/
04:26<weasel>there are many schools of thought
04:27<pleb2>weasel: what do you mean?
04:27<weasel>how much disk do you have in total?
04:27<pleb2>64gb unformatted
04:27<pleb2>in this perticular case
04:27<weasel>pleb2: different people have different ideals about what is best
04:27<pleb2>do you know any pro's / con's of doing it each way?
04:27<weasel>and what is this server going to do?
04:27<pleb2>lots of things :`
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04:28<weasel>one big / and swap is the most flexible
04:28<pleb2>The main thing it will be running is 3-4 counterstrike source servers
04:28<pleb2>re-niced to -14
04:28<padski>pleb2, larger filesystems may take longer to fsck.
04:28<weasel>oh my. one of thise
04:28<yury>meh, dependency resolution sucks
04:29<weasel>and unless you have good reasons for making it different or special needs a big / is ok
04:29<yury>and synaptic doesn't seem to care if a package is held or not
04:29<pleb2>But at the same time, its going to be doing alot of mysql / http, and even some voip
04:29<pleb2>it has multi use's
04:29<weasel>one big /
04:29<pleb2>:) thanks
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04:31<pleb2>How would one run disk checks on the one big /? Normally it does it automatically after x many restarts, but I would rather schedule my own, and i worry about running it while mounted :P ?
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04:31<weasel>tune the filesystem parameters.
04:32<weasel>read its manpage
04:32<padski>do we have any filesystems that can fsck while in use ?
04:32<pleb2>on it :)#
04:32<yury>well, you can
04:32<yury>you just shouldn't
04:32<padski>yury, heh
04:33<yury>if you run it, it should ask
04:33<pleb2>okay so what your saying is basically its normal to just run the checks on reboot?
04:33<yury>ARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
04:33<yury>SEVERE filesystem damage.
04:33<yury>Do you really want to continue (y/n)?
04:33<pleb2>hehe i got that one (y)
04:33<yury>it is
04:33<yury>check on reboot
04:34<yury>it will automatically do it if it needs to be done
04:34<pleb2>see that annoyes me slightly
04:34<yury>then don't put everything on /
04:35<yury>you can try making another fs, chrooting, and unmounting
04:35<yury>but I wouldn't recommend it
04:35<padski>although a journalled fs is pretty much essential for filesystems this size anyway.
04:35<pleb2>as my server will be in co-lo, so the problem will be that i wont want to reboot my server, or at least not very often at all, and when i do, sometimes it can reboot in a min, but \sometimes if its doing a check, it can take AGES :\?
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04:36<yury>filesystems are more or less reliable
04:36<yury>I wouldn't worry about it
04:36<pleb2>alot of my servers even in work have uptimes +365 days
04:36<pleb2>should i reboot them more?
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04:37<padski>pleb2, see also
04:38<pleb2>:) Thanks
04:38<weasel>you should certainly install security updates
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04:38<weasel>and if you have an uptime for over a year then you are running exploitable kernels
04:38<yury>interesting, apparently I have always had shadows
04:38<yury>they have just been almost unnoticable
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04:40<padski>weasel, although fixes in Debian security kernels are explicit, so you might skip a fix that had nothing that applied to your specific circumstances.
04:40<weasel>for a year? now? unlikely.
04:41<yury>hm... speaking of partitioning
04:41<yury>does the partitioner lay partitions starting from the inside or the outside of the disk?
04:41<pleb2>Weasel i do apply security updates, and the server restarts services as needed
04:41<pleb2>Agreed, i am not using the most uptodate kernel
04:41<padski>yury, which partitioner
04:41<yury>say the debian one
04:42<yury>but I think they all do it the same way
04:42<padski>yury, you mean in the installer ?
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04:42<yury>or fdsk
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04:42<padski>yury, I think it gives you the choice of at the 'start' or 'end'
04:43<dpkg>lba is probably Logical Block Addressing. or good bios informations at
04:43<pleb2>Weasel is it inportant to restart the machine after applying security patches, or is rebooting services sufficent?
04:43<weasel>pleb2: for kernel updates you need to boot into the new kernel.
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04:44<weasel>for almost every other type of update restarting the service in question (or the services/processes using the lib) suffices
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04:44<yury>I mean, does start correspond to the outer rim or the inter rim of the disk
04:45<yury>and that link is dead
04:45<padski>see also ksplice
04:45<padski>yury, typically it does, yes.
04:46<padski>yury, with zcav disks you can test if you like.
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04:47<yury>01:45 < padski> yury, typically it does, yes.
04:48<yury>you answered yes to a question that was not yes or no
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04:48<padski>yury, the question was structurally ambiguos ;-)
04:49<padski>yury, yes start is outside (typically)
04:49<jm_>yury: start is inner
04:49<yury>I got two conflicting answers
04:49<yury>01:49 < padski> yury, yes start is outside (typically)
04:49<yury>01:49 < jm_> yury: start is inner
04:49<pleb2>Weasel, PM?
04:50<jm_>now you only need to decide who to trust
04:50<padski>jm_, I beg to differ
04:50<yury>well, says:
04:50<yury>Apparently the convention is for the outside tracks to contain the sectors with lower addresses, so the first partition allocated on a disk is likely to be significantly faster.
04:50<yury>so unless d-i is screwy...
04:50<padski>yury, but go and see for yourself.
04:51<jm_>hmm accessing lower sectors is definitely faster, but is that on the outer edge? i thought it's on inner
04:51<pleb2>I agree that the outside tracks will be faster, result of the disk speed
04:51<pleb2>but i always thought they wrote from inside > out
04:51<pleb2>like CD-R's
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04:52<padski>jm_, constant angular velocity. head moves faster relative to platter on the outside.
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04:52<jm_>padski: but it also has lower density there
04:52<padski>but in fact they do zcav, last time I looked.
04:52<padski>jm_, zoned
04:53<yury>padski: I use LVM, so that is pointless atm
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04:53<pleb2>:P i vote your arguments are irrelevent, stick another drive in the equasion, stripe them, and then theyre faster everywhere :P
04:53<yury>jm_: no, it's not lower density
04:53<padski>yury, it is pointless anyway. you want to go faster? buy more hardware ;-)
04:53<yury>they put more stuff there now
04:53<wawan>hai joint me ok!
04:53<pleb2>lol snap padski
04:54<yury>pleb2: except write
04:54<wawan>english speak ok !
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04:54<wawan>debian !
04:55<yury>I ma still mad at debian for releasing a package that breaks my compiz
04:55<wawan>what your speak for me now !
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04:55<yury>and the power management interfaces are too many. acpi and pm-utils get annoying
04:56<pleb2>yury, thought u still got a slight increas in write and big increase in read with RAID0
04:56<pleb2>no parity calc
04:56<yury>when gnome-power-manager dies, I get acpi, else I get pm
04:56<yury>with striping?
04:56<yury>I think it slows down a bit
04:56<wawan>I want to speak debian now ok !
04:56<pleb2>more drives to access at once
04:56<yury>needs to decide where to write the data
04:56<pleb2>wawan is right
04:56<pleb2>sorry channel <3
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04:57<jm_>yes, I was wrong - it is faster on the outer edge
04:57*yury decides who to trust
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04:59<padski>time to start using flash disks now anyways :-)
04:59<yury>well, enough messing up my computer for one night
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04:59<pleb2>I dont trust flash
04:59<jm_>padski: will you contribute price difference for 1TB MR storage to 1TB flash for me?
04:59<jm_>I'll gladly move to flash in that case
04:59<wawan>Where she I am need Cute Now !
04:59<wawan>yury is mad people he !
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05:01<Slydder>morning all
05:01*pleb2 waves
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05:02<padski>jm_, 640kB should be enough for anyone ;-)
05:02<jm_>padski: ohh yeah, and fat12!
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05:03<padski>jm_, clearly fat12 was over-engineered
05:04<padski>the extra fat was a waste of space ;-)
05:04<jm_>padski: is that why they have now implemented exfat now?
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05:05<pleb2>Which is better? NTFS or EXT3
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05:05<pleb2>because i must admit, i do <3 my acl's
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05:06<padski>hmm, "Transaction-Safe FAT File System"
05:07<padski>more terrifying than return of the mummy
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05:08<padski>pleb2, there are acl systems on both
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05:09<pleb2>padski ? with deny and allow rules and everything?, I thought with linux you were stuck with one user, one group and permissions rwx to give or take away?
05:10<pleb2>can you set permissions for creator/owner or give write access but not delete?
05:10<dpkg>hmm... acl is Access Control List,,, at
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05:19<pleb2>I read the suse one, i still dont see how its possible to give write access without delete access?
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05:20<padski>pleb2, does write access give you the ability to truncate ?
05:20<pleb2>I think
05:20<pleb2>You can make files smaller, if thats what you mean
05:20<padski>what is unlink compared to truncate ?
05:20<pleb2>your saying, why not give them delete, if they can just make the file blank anyway?
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05:21<padski>pleb2, one way of looking at it: truncate is a file operation, unlink is a directory operation
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05:28<padski>pleb2, consider also append-only
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05:36<zxd>what's the difference between linux-image-2.6-xen-686 and linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-686
05:36<SlayerXP>zxd: "-vserver"
05:36<zxd>you are so smart
05:37<SlayerXP>i know.
05:37<SlayerXP>zxd: did you consider comparing the package descriptions?
05:37<SlayerXP>a radical idea, I know
05:38<zxd>you really think you are smart don't you?
05:38<zxd>i am a step ahead of you
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05:41<pleb2>Padski sorry, i forgot to say thanks :), I see the logic behind your argument, but when you have kids like ours at our school... they always try to delete stuff, but they never think to save the file as a blank :P
05:41<SlayerXP>if you're a step ahead of me, it's because I know there's a cliff edge coming up.
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05:41<zxd>SlayerXP, and i have a parachute
05:42<padski>SlayerXP, have they improved the package descriptions ?
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05:54<pleb2>or anyone for that matter
05:54<pleb2>whats this re-compiling kernal lark that everyone seems to mention / moan on about when the word "linux" is mentioned???
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06:01<zxd>WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
06:02<zxd>what's the command to import key from where
06:02<jm_>man apt-key
06:02<zxd>uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <>
06:02<zxd>why isn't this good
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06:06<zxd>why is running windows IIS ?
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06:09<slaxz>it is not?
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06:09<zxd>then it's a joke
06:09<jm_>it's not even a single host ...
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06:10<zxd>still , it runs on IIS
06:10<zxd>i can't find the key on that url
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06:10<zxd>to import
06:13<zxd>never mind
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06:13<zxd>aptitude update got the key
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07:31<adii>hey good afternoon
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07:33<adii>I'm setting up a game server and I need it to be as performant as possible. I've tried to use "renice" but I'm not sure exactly how it works, i.e. which values I should use. I need to know whether there are processes that could be shut down in order to save some CPU
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07:35<jm_>man renice
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07:36<adii>thanks jm_ , I knew about process priorities but I didn't know man, see?
07:37<padski_>adii, you could google something like "linux performance tuning"
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08:02<Slydder>does anyone here know if it's possible to get squid to cache a mjpeg stream? if so where can i find info on it. nothing available on the squid site. thanks
08:03<padski_>Slydder, there are rtsp proxies about. I think apple published one.
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08:25<Wesley>Hi i'm trying to install debian on a server with two SATA HDD's and one IDE CD-ROM (DVD) - the installer is unable to detect / mount the cd-rom station. Is there any fix for this? ( bug report from 2005 with same problem)
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08:28<jm_>find out if kernel detects it at all
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08:29<gsimmons>Wesley: Are you installing Sarge (3.1) or Etch (4.0)?
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08:29<Wesley>I tried both
08:29<Wesley>As far as I read it it doesnt load the IDE before the sata or something
08:30<Wesley>I see a lot of people who have the same problem, but no real fix
08:30<Wesley>other then a bios setting, which I dont seem to have in my bios
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08:30<Wesley>(sata mode to enchaned instead of auto)
08:30<Wesley>enhanced. sorry hehe
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08:32<jm_>simply unload and reload modules
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09:31<pleb2>Does anyone here have an IBM server?
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09:32<the-dude>not anymore
09:32<neekofab>pleb2 yep
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09:36<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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09:37<klando>hello, can the lenny installer (cdrom) use ttyS1 ?
09:37<padski>klando, not ttyS0 ?
09:37<klando>or 0,
09:37<klando>I don't care :)
09:38<klando>perhaps it does on ttyS0 I haven't check
09:39<padski>klando, yes, I figured it might impact your search
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09:41<Wesley>Is there any way to put debian etch on a usb stick without having linux right now?
09:41<klando>padski, yes, I look at ...
09:42<Wesley>only have windows here
09:42<klando>Wesley, i think you can use some raw tools
09:42<klando>winraw ?
09:42<klando>I don't know more
09:42<padski>Wesley, you can get various versions of dd for windows
09:42<Wesley>ahh that sounds good
09:44<pleb2>Neekofab: Ive just installed debian on my x335
09:45<pleb2>its set, 2 x 36gb drives RAID1, created the RAID1 today#
09:47<pleb2>now one of the drives, disk 2, has a flashing orange status light, please please please,.. tell me the flashing orange light means that its syncing / rebuilding the mirror
09:47<neekofab>pleb2 etch (stable) on a x255 here
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09:48<neekofab>pleb2 I'm using software raid (the ibm raid card died) but you can check your status
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09:50<neekofab>pleb2 that's prob an adaptec based raid card and you can cat the device status node somewhere under /proc (might be c0 or rd)
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09:51<pleb2>i can do what with who?
09:51<pleb2>you not sure why its flashing then?
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09:53<neekofab>pleb2 you are using the ibm raid card right? not software raid?
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09:54<pleb2>IBM raid card
09:54<pleb2>only supports RAID1
09:54<pleb2>its daft :P
09:56<neekofab>pleb2 this appears to be a mpt (lsi) based raid card you might try mpt-status
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09:56<pleb2>yes it is an lsi board
09:56<pleb2>do i type mpt-status into console?
09:57<neekofab>pleb2 yep. if it's installed :)
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09:57<pleb2>i only have the base system installed atm
09:57<neekofab>pleb2 apt-get install mpt-status
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09:57<pleb2>open /dev/mptctl: No such file or directory
09:57<pleb2> Try: mknod /dev/mptctl c 10 220
09:57<pleb2>Make sure mptctl is loaded into the kernel
09:58<pleb2>must i restart after installing mpt-status using apt-get?
09:58<neekofab>pleb2 modprobe mptctl?
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09:58<pleb2>ioc0 vol_id 0 type IM, 2 phy, 33 GB, state DEGRADED, flags ENABLED RESYNC_IN_PROGRESS
09:58<pleb2>ioc0 phy 0 scsi_id 0 IBM-ESXS MAS3367NC FN C901, 33 GB, state ONLINE, flags NONE
09:58<pleb2>ioc0 phy 1 scsi_id 1 IBM-ESXS MAS3367NC FN C901, 33 GB, state ONLINE, flags OUT_OF_SYNC
09:59<pleb2>Will it resync itself automatically?
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09:59<neekofab>pleb2 looks like "RESYNC_IN_PROGRESS" says it all
10:00<neekofab>pleb2 should only take an hour or so I'm guessing
10:00*pleb2 goes to type man "learn how to read" into console
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10:01<pleb2>i dont have a failing drive :), I only got this thing 2 days ago and it ships off to CO-LO 2morrow, thats why i was worried :P
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10:02*pleb2 Thanks neekofab
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10:04<pleb2>oh neekofab
10:05<pleb2>you can buy x335's from ebay £200 delivered, 2x 2.8ghz 4gb ecc buffered, 2 x 36gb 15krpm.... might be worth it for you for spares ;P
10:06<pleb2>also makes a hell of a games machine if u just stick a graphics card in ;)
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10:25<Wesley>What are the exact steps to put debian netinst on a USB stick? I downloaded and ran zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda, and mv'ed the netinst .iso but it says "read=only file system"
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10:26<padski>Wesley, the boot sector on a cd is odd.
10:26<ajf>I've just started playing with the preseed functionality of the debian installer
10:27<Wesley>padski: I don't understand
10:27<padski>Wesley, so I doubt it'll be as simple as copying the iso onto the flash stick
10:27<ajf>Is there any way to do both LVM and RAID disk setup during an unattended install?
10:27<Wesley>I was trying to follow
10:27<berto>ajf: it isn't much harder IIRC
10:28<Wesley>yeah was trying that aswell but ill try again
10:28<berto>I think I followed this one:
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10:28<berto>I remember using syslinux
10:29<Wesley>yeah but the boot.img.gz has the syslinux part included
10:29<padski>Wesley, ah I see! those instructions look fine.
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10:30<Wesley>I'm gonna try again. 3rd time
10:30<padski>Wesley, you mounted the sda2 partition (you have an sda2 partition?)
10:31<ajf>It seems easy enough to do either an LVM setup *or* a RAID setup, but not both. My preferred setup is usually LVM on top of RAID 1. Swap and /boot get their own RAID 1s.
10:31<Wesley>I have a /dev/sdb1
10:32<padski>Wesley ,I don't have a mac in front of me, but re-read " USB stick partitioning on PowerPC"
10:32<Wesley>Allright so I did: umount /dev/sdb1 - zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1 - mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt - cd /mnt/
10:32<padski>Wesley, and that is on what OS ?
10:33<Wesley>but then I get "cannot create regular file, read omly file system
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10:34<Wesley>would have thought making a bootable usb stick would me more easy
10:34<padski>Wesley, is there a "write protection switch" on your hardware ?
10:34<Wesley>I have no clue
10:34<Wesley>but the zcat boot.img.gz worked good
10:35<padski>Wesley, it is easy, but less useful than you would hope. There are still systems out there that won't boot from them.
10:35<Wesley>It's a new supermicro server im pretty sure it boots from usb
10:35<Wesley>I have problems getting the cd-rom to work
10:36<padski>so you get the error "read only filesystem" when you cd ?? when you try to copy the iso file on ?
10:36<Wesley>It took me two days so far to just install debian, but now i still didnt install anything :/
10:36<padski>Wesley, supermicro powerpc ??
10:36<Wesley>no I can do /cd /mnt
10:37<Wesley>just not copy the .iso
10:37<padski>new supermicro powerpc server ???
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10:38<Wesley>no powerpc
10:38<Wesley>it's an intel thingie
10:38<padski>ok, but there is a similar page in the i386 manual. you posted the url to the powerpc page ?
10:39<Wesley>Ah I was sorry, just one of the many examples I tried to follow
10:39<Wesley>my bad sorry
10:39<Wesley>they're all pretty much the same though
10:39<Wesley> was the one I ment
10:39<padski>Wesley, it is the same basic idea, but you'd be stuck if you tried to boot an intel from a powerpc disk :-)
10:40<Wesley>im stuck now anyways hehe
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10:40<padski>Wesley, try mount /mnt -o remount,rw
10:40<Wesley>will try
10:41<Wesley>Wait I lied btw, i'm not on a debian machine right now.. it's ubuntu
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10:41<c_newbie>hi, if i got dualcore 64bit intel, which version i should install to the server? is it AMD63 or IA64?
10:41<padski>Wesley, but you are installing Debian ?
10:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 367] by debhelper
10:42<Wesley>trying to anyways
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10:42<themill>c_newbie: amd64 or i386 with either the -686 or -amd64 kernel
10:42<padski>c_newbie, no idea. but I would guess at the x86 compatible one, not an itanic
10:43<c_newbie>themill: so AMD64 version were basically for all 64Bit processor (except Itanium) or AMD-64 Processor only
10:43<themill>c_newbie: unless you paid $$$ for your machine, then it's amd64 not ia64. /msg dpkg ia64
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10:44<c_newbie>themill: were the answer "yes" to AMD64 => amd-64bit & intel-64bit ?
10:45<themill>c_newbie: I have no idea what you mean by that question. Most consumer chips from intel use the amd64 instruction set though.
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10:47<dpkg>methinks amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel.
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10:48<c_newbie>themill: i mean, was the Etch AMD64 only for AMD Opteron 64bit or AMD & Intel Processor with 64Bit
10:48*c_newbie so d ummy
10:49<padski>and wikipedia says "x86-64 was designed by AMD, who have since renamed it AMD64. It has been cloned by Intel under the name Intel 64 (formerly known as EM64T among other names)"
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10:51<c_newbie>padski: but there's no EM64T version in debian, only AMD64 and IA64
10:52<themill>LaicepS: I can't suggest anything else than that.... I don't believe the udeb should still be installed at all.
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10:52<LaicepS>I have a big problem with apt which i can't solve. It seems that i have done something definitly wrong when i manually installed some package (wich i don't remember). Here is the paste bin :
10:53<padski>c_newbie, EM64T == amd64 == x86_64
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10:54<themill>LaicepS: You can look in /var/log/dpkg.log for your recent activity to work out what package it was.
10:54<c_newbie>ahh.. thanks padski
10:55<padski>c_newbie, see also "who's on first"
10:55<ajf>After further digging, it doesn't look as if what I'm trying to do is currently possible.
10:55<c_newbie>no wonder i cant instal IA64 on my intel 64bit
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10:57<LaicepS>themill, it seems that the status remains to half-upgraded
10:58<gsimmons>LaicepS: Uh, why did you install 'zlib1g-udeb'?
10:59<themill>LaicepS: udebs don't really belong on a running system, they are only for the installer.
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11:00<LaicepS>gsimmons, to fix depedencies
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11:01<LaicepS>themill, i must admit that i didn't know what everything i did would implie that night
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11:01<LaicepS>sorry for my bad english ^^
11:01<themill>LaicepS: you should never need to "fix dependencies", they should always be fixed by apt itself.
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11:03<LaicepS>themill, i used to run under slackware which has given bad habits -__-
11:03<themill>indeed. (I was about to say "this is debian not redhat", but would have been wrong....)
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11:05<padski>can less be made to simply output to the screen and exit for less than a screenfull ?
11:06<themill>padski: that sounds a lot like "head" not "less"....
11:06<padski>themill, like less -E but more like more
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11:07<FromTO>I want to buy a quad dvi video card for three monitors. Does anyone suggest anything for debian vis a vis drivers etc..
11:07*themill has a sore head from trying to parse that
11:07<themill>LaicepS: you could try: aptitude install zlib1g zlib1g-udeb_
11:07<padski>themill, heh :-) so that the pager stays out of the way until there is something to do.
11:08<LaicepS>themill, it seems that dpkd -i --force-overwrite the-bad-package-name has done it
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11:08<LaicepS>thanks for your support anyway
11:08<themill>LaicepS: please leave your bad habits (like --force-fuck-up-my-machine) at the door... this debian, we do things elegantly.
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11:09<themill>LaicepS: Good luck with it!
11:09<LaicepS>themill, but it worked !
11:09<weasel>so does shooting yourself in the foot
11:09<LaicepS>my system i now up to date !
11:09<weasel>it's not a good idea however
11:09<weasel>your system is now broken.
11:09<themill>LaicepS: I suspect it's going to be a recurring problem every time there's an update to zlib though.
11:09<LaicepS>damn, you are frightening me
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11:10<francis>How to I automate AT commands to my modem. I am trying to send myself alerts from my GMS modem . Anyone ??
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11:10<LaicepS>i now have 60 packages "kept back" >____>
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11:10<themill>!tell LaicepS about kept back
11:11<LaicepS>themill, thanks, i will try dist-upgrade
11:11<themill>LaicepS: basically, use full-upgrade (or dist-upgrade) not just upgrade to solve most kept back problems.
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11:12<LaicepS>oh god
11:12<LaicepS>you were right
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11:13<LaicepS>i have now tons of "fopen: Permission denied"
11:13<LaicepS>!tell LaicepS fopen
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11:14<evilmanu>help needed
11:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
11:14<poison>Hi guys, using SNMP (actually Net-SNMP) I can query all the IP addresses of a host, but is there a way to identify aliassed IP addresses from primary IP addresses (eg eth0, eth0:x, ...)
11:14<evilmanu>always when I restart PC, I must type modprobe xxx
11:15<padski>poison, they have the same MAC ?
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11:15<francis>How to I automate AT commands to my modem. I am trying to send myself alerts from my GMS modem . Anyone ??
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11:15<evilmanu>how can I set up to do this when the PC is booting?
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11:15<padski>francis, SMS ?
11:15<poison>let mee see padski, didn't check it
11:15<cahoot>put the modulename in /etc/modules
11:15<cahoot>evilmanu: ^^
11:16<francis>Short Messages
11:16<francis>padski, I can send myself messages using minicom
11:16<francis>I need to automate
11:16<poison>padski: according to ifconfig the macs are the same
11:16<eternalswd>how can I get my camcorder to record with kino? I tried modprobe raw1394 but the module was not found. I have no /dev/raw1394
11:16<eternalswd>I'm on testing btw
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11:17<francis>padski, O yes SMS. I need to get some sleep :)
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11:18<padski>francis, haven't thought about 'minicom' for some time :-)
11:19<francis>padski, I can send messages by using minicom thoug I need to automate it
11:19<padski>francis, there are various sms related progs in the archive, I have no experience of any of them, but see gnokii-smsd sms-pl smsclient smstools
11:19<mysupper>is there anyone using the package "shaper"?
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11:19<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
11:20<francis>padski, I tried some . let me check again
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11:21<mysupper>ok, if I want to restrcit ftp traffice, would I make a /etc/shaper/ftp only and start the script ?
11:22<francis>padski, I didnt notice gnokii-smsd . Gonna try it out
11:22<ksandstr>problem: I recently upgraded my testing installation. it seems to have broken XKB. this is bad, as I was relying on xkb to translate some keypresses into middle and right clicks. how do I unbreak XKB? the gdm log has all kinds of complaints from xkbcomp. (kernel, self-compiled due to laptop)
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11:23<padski>francis, interested to hear how you get on.
11:23<francis>shall keep ya posted
11:23<ksandstr>"broken XKB", as in xkbset q says "XKB not supported for display :0.0"
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11:24<mysupper>and about the RULE , RULE would be "RULE=IP_of_machine:21", right?
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11:30<mysupper>I think the guy made this package "shaper" did some erroneous comments in README file.
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11:31<mysupper>In README file, this guy says "RULE=:25," is for selects traffic going from anywhere on port 50 toport 5000 in network
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11:32<mysupper>but this RULE looks like from port 25:5000, I guess.
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11:35<ksandstr>a quick googling suggests that some ubuntu users (*spit*) are having the same issue: somehow the recent 7.3 xorg upgrade has nuked XKB as expected by the xkbset program. any idea how I would switch on mousekeys without xkbset?
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11:38<padski>wow, there is a mysql 6. missed that. they'll be running out of numerals soon.
11:38<cahoot>ksandstr: xkbset q doesn't complain here on testing and a 2.6.25 kernel
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11:39<ksandstr>cahoot: can you confirm that your xserver-xorg-core's version is 2:1.4.1~git20080(something)?
11:41<cahoot>Version: 2: - so obviously not the same
11:41<ksandstr>might want to hold off on upgrading then :)
11:42<cahoot>I stick to safe-upgrade
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11:42<cahoot>(and prayers)
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11:47<ksandstr>ah, screw this. I'll just file a bug and see if the X maintainers blow their tops once again. (why would someone remove XKB anyhow? it's not like it's deprecated, right?)
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11:47<bcochofel>can I use wmii from sid on etch? I'm searching for the new features on wmii
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11:50<padski>!simple sid backport
11:50<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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11:58<bcochofel>padski: thx
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11:58<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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12:00<kingsley>Is there a console application that lets you simultaneously invert the video of (ie: highlight) more than one area of text at the same time with the mouse?
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12:02<padski>kingsley, why ?
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12:04<bcochofel>padski: what's the deb-src url?
12:04<bcochofel>padski: for sid
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12:04<padski>bcochofel, same but s/etch/sid/
12:05<Villarroel>where is libapache-mod-ssl ?
12:05<bcochofel>padski: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found
12:05<gsimmons>Villarroel: Which Debian suite do you use?
12:05<jello>bcochofel: sid doesn't need backports
12:05<bcochofel>padski: ok
12:05<jello>bcochofel: just use the main archive
12:05<bcochofel>jello: ok
12:06<jello>bcochofel: deb-src unstable main
12:06<Villarroel>gsimmons, Sid
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12:06<gsimmons>Villarroel: Apache 1.3 has been removed from unstable (see bug #418266 in the BTS).
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12:07*jello uses lighttpd :)
12:07<Villarroel>gsimmons, is modssl integrated into apache2?
12:07<padski>"<bcochofel> can I use wmii from sid on etch?"
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12:10<gsimmons>Villarroel: Yes. It's provided as a module within 'apache2.2-common'.
12:11<kingsley>padski: Thanks for asking. I'd like to invert the video of various text within files as I read them so I can review the highlights later.
12:11<Villarroel>thanks gsimmons
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12:11<padski>kingsley, so you want to insert some control codes or somesuch ?
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12:13<kingsley>padski: Yes, I suppose it comes down to that, however, I'm hoping there's an easy way to highlight additional text with the mouse, perhaps by holding down the control key.
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12:29<andremagnonunes>boa tarde.. alguém do debian são paulo por ai??
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12:29<francis>padski, I managed to configure gnokii
12:29<francis>can send messages using echo "Hello, this is the server Watchdog notification service" | gnokii --sendsms destination
12:30<padski>padski, excellent :-)
12:30<padski>francis, excellent :-)
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12:32<francis>padski, thanks for reminding me of gnokii
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12:58<NinjaMan>peoples - I am looking for a general purpose log monitoring application. So far I've found logwatch and logcheck - what are your opinions on these 2? which is better? are there other applications I should be considering?
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12:59<the-dude>logwatch is ok, I am running it on several machines
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13:00<NinjaMan>the-dude: what are the downsides of logwatch?
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13:01<eReS>hello people!
13:01<the-dude>and nagging emails ;)
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13:01<sander>Any reason ffmpeg dosnt support mp3 in lenny?
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13:01<sander>And how do I fix it
13:01<NinjaMan>the-dude: :) - does it work the same way as logcheck, ie. by regex for patterns to ignore?
13:01<eReS>REASON 4 the best
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13:02<the-dude>NinjaMan: I never tried logchek so I can't tell ;)
13:03<NinjaMan>the-dude: ok but how does logwatch know what is worth reporting from the logfiles?
13:04<the-dude>you can define what to check and what to report
13:04<NinjaMan>the-dude: ok
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13:08<the-dude>NinjaMan: it work's with "filters"
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13:22<alephnull>How do I reinstall grub on the MBR ? I've booted off a livecd and mounted the root fs. So I have access to /boot/grub/menu.lst
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13:26<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
13:26<fxiny>alephnull: ^^^
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13:27<norbert_>hi all, I want to redefine a system function and I use "gcc -Wall -fPIC -shared -o lib.c -ldl" to compile the library which has a function in it that /always/ returns 1; for some reason however, if I create a program that calls another program (with execlp) /after/ I call "setenv ("LD_PRELOAD", "./", 1);" this program still thinks the function returns 0(!)... here it comes... even though the function is being called (I included
13:27<norbert_>a printf ("hi!"); and that is shown)
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13:32<phillipsjk>I remebered reading that gcc is no longer installed by default :/ "bash: gcc: command not found"
13:34<dpkg>rumour has it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
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13:38<phillipsjk>norbert: I don't know if it applies in your case, but when I become convinced of a compiler bug, I try to prove it my doing the same thing a different way. After doing all the work around the "bug', I discover my typo.
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13:39<phillipsjk>(or error in logic.
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13:41<Gaara>i have a question .. hm.. i was with couple outher distros and after i installed debian i think my internet goes slower.. i mean internate pages are slower and if i apt-get somethin it download it so slow and with firefox when i open youtube and 2 more tabs.. youtube is lagging
13:41<CH->does anyone know how active the debian-apache mailing list is?
13:42<sworoc>Gaara: hey again :), have you tried testing it by visiting a speed testing site? or can you tell me what speeds apt-get is downloading at?
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13:42<Gaara>sworoc, w8 to test the speed
13:42<CH->apt-get install apt-spy
13:42<CH->might help
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13:43<themill>CH-: look on the archives on
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13:43<sworoc>Gaara: might work
13:44<Gaara>yes i know the site
13:44<Gaara>the speed is ok 13mbps.. it shoud be 16 but.. its not a problem
13:44<Gaara>every page even google loads verry slow
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13:45<Student>after downloading the CD.iso file , what program should i use to extract the file?
13:45<Student>or the package?
13:45<Gaara>and if there is a flash or something like that.. i see all like pictures.. and not smooth
13:45<erKURITA>an iso is a cd image, Student
13:45<phillipsjk>What was the previous distro? Is your machine too underpowered for GNOME?
13:45<fxiny>google loads pretty s* lately
13:45<Student>erKURITA ok , then? :)
13:45<erKURITA>burn it
13:45<erKURITA>into a cd
13:45<sworoc>Gaara: that is very strange, what extensions do you have running?
13:45<erKURITA>or mount it
13:46<Zelta>fxiny: It takes less than a second for me :D
13:46<Student>erKURITA: what program should i use to burn it?
13:46<CH->hmm, not very busy
13:46<Gaara>sworoc, i dont understand you.. what do you mean what extensions
13:46<Student>erKURITA: so it will boot nicely for me
13:46<fxiny>Zelta: sometimes never loads : redirects to mars probably ;)
13:46<CH->if someone has a minute to spare:
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13:46<erKURITA>apt-cache search cd burner
13:46<Zelta>fxiny: Dial up? ;)
13:46<sworoc>Gaara: it may be that one of your add-ons is causing problems
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13:47<fxiny>Zelta: nope
13:47<erKURITA>should pop a few for you. I can't recall the one I use from the top of my mind
13:47<Gaara>iceweasel addons?
13:47<sworoc>Gaara: yes
13:47<phillipsjk>Student the paranoid like to verify the md5 hash first. ;)
13:47<Gaara>no .. i installed debian this morning
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13:47<Gaara>and i have only flash player for iceweasel
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13:47<Student>phillipsjk: umm i don't understand your paranoid ;)
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13:48<erKURITA>phillipsjk that has nothing to do with paranoia
13:48<sworoc>Gaara: can you try transferring a network file to test for speed?
13:48<Gaara>i mean .. not just iceweasel.. its like the whole pc is a lil slower
13:48<erKURITA>the MD5SUM is there for people with metered bandwidth
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13:48<fxiny>Zelta: could be firefox2 not up to the google/digg javaScrap strangeness
13:48<Gaara>sworoc, yes i downloaded a couple of subtitles from usual sites.. and i download with 10-20k
13:48<phillipsjk>The md5 hash is more robust than the checksums used by the network protocols.
13:49<Gaara>usually i do that with 400-500k
13:49<Zelta>fxiny: Why don't you use Firefox 3 beta 5? :O
13:49<erKURITA>fxiny lies
13:49<Zelta>much nicer
13:49<Gaara>and when i apt-get install something its also slooooow like 100-200k usualy 1.5mb
13:49<erKURITA>Gaara do you have a router with a wifi ?
13:49<fxiny>Zelta: because i am on etch , 5 don't work . it seems mozilla don't like etch users , beta 3 was ok
13:50<Zelta>beta 4?
13:50<sworoc>Gaara: debian shouldn't be any slower overall than other distros if you have the right CD for your machine
13:50<Zelta>not much difference between 4 and 5
13:50<Gaara>erKURITA, yes but the wifi is of
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13:50<rostedt>hi all
13:50<schmichael>whats the max amount of RAM 32bit x86 etch supports?
13:51*rostedt is still fighting with his print server
13:51<erKURITA>I don't turn my wifi off. I remove the antennae
13:51<phillipsjk>Gaara what was the previous distro that was "faster"?
13:51<Gaara>sworoc, thats why im asking.. because i was with ubuntu and it was ok .. before that slackware and it was also ok
13:51<fxiny>erKURITA: i don't lie . to log in in my gmail accounts takes 1-1.5 minutes
13:51<erKURITA>schmichael 3.x Gbs. Afaik
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13:51<erKURITA>because it's 32-bits
13:51<rostedt>anyone seen this while installing cupsys on stable?
13:51<erKURITA>fxiny your internet connection must be really slow then
13:51<rostedt>ln: accessing `/usr/lib/cups/backend-available/dnssd': No such file or directory
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13:52<Gaara>can it be because my video card?
13:52<fxiny>erKURITA: if i ban digg with noscript i get a quicker load
13:52<sworoc>Gaara; debian is as fast as either of those, what CD did you install, what CPU do you have, and which kernel are you using?
13:52<erKURITA>what's your computer spec, by the way
13:52<Gaara>sworoc, w8 :) ill tell you
13:52<phillipsjk>schmichael, without double checking, I would say ~3 GB.
13:52<rostedt>seems that the install of cupsys doesn't add the dnssd
13:53<dpkg>methinks cupsys is 'apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd' on server and 'cupsys-client cupsys-bsd' on clients. Visit to configure it. For local, parallel port printers, Device URI is parallel:/dev/lp0
13:53<fxiny>erKURITA: is not slow at all : this is a PII so i can see the dirty javacrap . my fast box obviosuly loads better
13:53<Gaara>model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2600+ \n cpu MHz : 1599.564
13:53<sworoc>Gaara: there is the outside possibility that graphics play a part in this, but it shouldn't slow down web-surfing and other non-graphic intensive processes
13:53<erKURITA>a PII is fairly slower than my 5200+ X2, obviously
13:53<sworoc>Gaara: both of those look good, what version of the CD did you use?
13:53<erKURITA>and Firefox is known to be a memory hogger
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13:54<Gaara>and the CD is i downloaded debian 4 before 1 mount from the site
13:54<schmichael>phillipsjk, erKURITA: thanks but i thought it could support more and just limits each process to 3gb...
13:54<erKURITA>schmichael it's because of the processor
13:54<erKURITA>it has nothing to do with the OS
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13:54<Gathond>schmichael: some supports 64 GB
13:54<Gathond>if they support PAE
13:54<Gathond>that takes a performance hit though
13:54<Gathond>and limits individual processes
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13:55<fxiny>erKURITA: is not a cpu problem : some sites are just getting worse every day , gmail was not so slow say one year ago
13:55<sworoc>Gaara: that sounds like the right CD
13:55<schmichael>Gathond: ah, right. PAE. thanks
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13:55<erKURITA>I doubt os
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13:55<Gaara>sworoc, thats why im wondering why ? :( its so slow
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13:56<Gaara>its a fresh installed debian but "top" sais
13:56<Gaara>Mem: 906792k total, 891016k used, 15776k free
13:56<Gathond>yes? that is to be expected
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13:56<sworoc>can you perform free -m
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13:57<Gathond>Gaara: I bet the cache and buffers are about 80% of that
13:57<sworoc>it should show you on the second line how much is cache, and how much is actually beingused
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13:57<Gaara> 5896k buffers
13:57<Gaara>634668k cached
13:57<Student>phillipsjk: what program should i use to unpackage/burn the cd?
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13:57<Student>i tried Magic ISO but it is not free
13:57<Gathond>Gaara: so you use 250 MB, not really that bad
13:57<sworoc>Gaara: then there is no worries there, plenty of memory to run everything
13:57<dpkg>rumour has it, wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See about the release notice.
13:58<Gaara>sworoc, i performed free -m
13:58<Gaara>where can i paste the results.
13:58<Student>i am looking for a free program to unpack .iso files and also burn them to CD if i want
13:58<the-dude>Student: k3b?
13:58<sworoc>Gaara: you basically just told me the same info, it's okay
13:58<fxiny>magic iso ? wt4x !
13:58<Gathond>Student: just mount it
13:59<rostedt>erKURITA: thanks for the apt output, but that's not my problem ;-)
13:59<Gaara>Student, i thin you dont need to unpack it just burn it like an image
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13:59<Gathond>it does not have to be burned to a CD to be accessed
13:59<Student>Gaara: it is not booting
13:59<Gaara>aa :)
13:59<rostedt>erKURITA: trying to do a "apt-get install cupsys" or even adding cupsys-bsd will fail for me
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13:59*rostedt thinks he really hosed his system ;-)
13:59<the-dude>Student: did u check the md5sum?
13:59<phillipsjk>Stuent if your kernel has loop filesystems enabled, you can mount the image as a drive.
13:59<fxiny>everything is a file this side of the moon
13:59<Student>the-dude: what is k3b? a extractor program?
13:59<schmichael>just out of curiousity, whats the memory limit on 64bit linux? :-)
13:59<Gathond>Student: a CD writing tool
13:59<erKURITA>uninstall cupsys then and re-install it
14:00<Student>the-dude: what is md5sum? i can see a md5 file in the folder though
14:00<Gaara>k3b is burning tool
14:00<sworoc>Gaara: are you using stable, testing, or unstable?
14:00<rostedt>erKURITA: yeah, I did that several times
14:00<the-dude>Student: no a burning program
14:00<rostedt>then I did a "apt-get clean"
14:00<rostedt>and tried again
14:00<rostedt>still always the same error
14:00<Student>no i hav't tired md5
14:00<Student>let me try
14:00<the-dude>Student: run md5sum $iso it should be the same as with the file
14:00<Gaara>i tryd testing but there were some usb errors .. and i said.. o damn i dont need this :)
14:00<erKURITA>apt-get clean just cleans the /var/apt/archives/partial folder, afaik (probable s/partial//)
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14:01<sworoc>Gaara: I'm really not sure what to tell you, it should perform as well as ubuntu unless there is some funky driver problem somewhere
14:01<Gaara>sworoc, when i add some lists in source.list and apt-get update it goes really sloow too
14:01<phillipsjk>Student: is you are using nero under windows, you want to burn it as a "disk image or saved project"
14:01<erKURITA>Student the md5 is used to check the integrity of the image file
14:01<erKURITA>phillipsjk eep
14:01<Student>i am not using NEro under windows
14:01<sworoc>Gaara: it is likely that you're having network speed issues unrelated, but you say that non-network things are slower as well
14:02<rostedt>erKURITA: my problems are all due to me trying to backport the box from testing to stable
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14:02<erKURITA>you nuked it :(
14:02<erKURITA>I tried the same a few years ago
14:03<sworoc>Gaara: 13 mbps sounds like it is working, maybe it is on the other end.... perhaps a network filter or server is not working properly
14:03<rostedt>this box is also my web server
14:03<the-dude>Student: if you want you can also mount a iso file
14:03<rostedt>and I also have it all set up for security with certificates and everything
14:03<rostedt>don't really want to fight that again
14:03<rostedt>erKURITA: I did try something, which was basically uninstall pretty much everything
14:04*rostedt trying to install vim ;-)
14:04<erKURITA>did you split /home and /usr ?
14:04<Gaara>sworoc, but yesterday i was with windows it was ok.. then ubuntu 8 it was ok but they have removed alsaconf .. and i said o.. no no thanks.. and there were no problems at all
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14:04<Gaara>and now with debian.. boom
14:04<rostedt>erKURITA: home and var are separate
14:04<rostedt> /usr is on /
14:04<sworoc>can you run the ubuntu liveCD and try to access the same apt-get mirrors?
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14:05<erKURITA>I was wondering if you could just re-install it. But since /usr is on /...
14:05<rostedt>but all the cert stuff is on /var and /usr
14:05<Gaara>maybe try some other copy of ubuntu ?
14:05<Gaara>ops debian
14:05<fxiny>ubu ?
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14:05<erKURITA>Gaara blasphemy!
14:05*rostedt is happy to see that #debian isn't as nice to ubuntu
14:06*rostedt works for Red Hat
14:06<sworoc>Gaara: i'm pretty confident that it shouldn't be a problem with debian stable, unless there is a driver issue, but i can't tell from here what that might be
14:06<rostedt>erKURITA: anyway, I haven't given up
14:06<erKURITA>good :D
14:06<rostedt>erKURITA: reinstall to me is declaring failure
14:06<Gaara>is there a way to see if everything with the hardware is ok?
14:07<sworoc>yes, others might be able to help with that better than i can
14:07<fxiny>rostedt: yes ? so gimme back my money ! : i bought redhatta 7.0 !
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14:07<fxiny>7.0 is the mother of all bugs
14:07<erKURITA>install lynx and try browsing a webpage from command line
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14:07<erKURITA>or try to wget a file w/o loading the window manager
14:07<rostedt>fxiny: I'm just a kernel hacker
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14:08<rostedt>fxiny: I probably bitched the same way
14:08<rostedt>fxiny: all my personal boxes are debian, and my work boxes are RH
14:08<phillipsjk>gaara: you already used my method of separating hardware from sofhtware issues: run a live CD to see if the problem goes away.
14:08<fxiny>rostedt: i respect red hat and i think at sun they employ idiots
14:08<rostedt>fxiny: ;-)
14:08<Gaara>here.. 0% [Connecting to]
14:08<Gaara> and this is like 20 seconds.. and then goes befoer there wasnt such a thing
14:08<fxiny>rostedt: red hat is not a "packagin company"
14:09<rostedt>fxiny: actually, I really do respect Red Hat
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14:09<rostedt>fxiny: they try very hard to do things the Right Way (TM) regarding open source
14:09<fxiny>rostedt: i read some sun idiots telling that
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14:09<sworoc>Gaara: is de the correct location for you?
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14:10<fxiny>rostedt: is not that : i can get red hat sources but no sun sources so sun can shut the f* mouth up
14:10<rostedt>fxiny: I was a heavy debian user when they hired me, and I haven't moved much since
14:10<erKURITA>I think I know what may be your problem
14:10<Gaara>sworoc, yes
14:10<erKURITA>change your DNS
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14:10<sworoc>erKURITA: good catch!
14:10<Gaara>im using dhcp
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14:11<erKURITA>Gaara it has nothing to do
14:11<erKURITA>edit /etc/resolv.conf
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14:11<erKURITA>and add
14:11<erKURITA>they have never failed me
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14:12<Gaara>should i reboot?
14:12<rostedt>erKURITA: most of my boxes are on testing, is this the proper location in my sources.list for stable?
14:12<rostedt>deb stable main
14:13<sworoc>rostedt: where are you located?
14:13<rostedt>I prefer not to specify exact names
14:13<rostedt>sworoc: upstate NY
14:13<phillipsjk>erKURITA, good guess, but presumably windows and ubuntu configure DNS via DHCP as well?
14:13<sworoc>rostedt: that should work great for you then
14:13<erKURITA>Gaara not at all
14:13<rostedt>sworoc: thanks
14:13<erKURITA>phillipsjk you can configure /etc/network/interfaces to add your own
14:14<Gaara>yeah.. its kinda lil faster... or em i dreaming :)
14:14<erKURITA>and windows has an alternate configuration
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14:14<Gaara>its faster
14:14<erKURITA>Gaara get netselect and try a few hosts
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14:14<Gaara>now google loads for 1 sec
14:15<erKURITA> here
14:15<erKURITA>go to step 2.3
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14:18*phillipsjk has his router cache DNS requests
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14:18<Gaara>ok my pages go faster now :) but whats with the other slowing .. like when i listen to a song from youtube.. and open 2-3 more tabs and the song stops for a while
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14:19<fxiny>music never stops here : xmms2 rulez :P
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14:19<phillipsjk>Gaara: you only have so much bandwidt.
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14:19<fxiny>evenm when load average goes up to 8.6 :))
14:19<sworoc>anybody know how good the stable flash driver is? I'm willing to bet it's bandwidth, but I'm on testing so I can't say for sure
14:20<Gaara>:/ whats bandwidt :D
14:20<erKURITA>sworoc it used not to play sound for me a few years ago :D
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14:21<sworoc>erKURIA sounds good enough for me
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14:21<phillipsjk>Gaara; me mis-typing bandwidth :)
14:21<Gaara>i dont know that too :)
14:21<sworoc>er.... network speed?
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14:23<erKURITA>I wonder...
14:23<dpkg>it has been said that bandwidth is a measure, in some amount of bits per second, of the amount of data that can be sent over a particular cable, interface, orbus.
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14:23<h3x>de channel ?
14:24<phillipsjk>If is probably a term describing how much of the frequency spectrum is used by a transmitter. Whe talking about internet connections, it is how many bits you can fit down the pipe every second.
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14:25<Gaara>phillipsjk, but this have nothing to do with the distribution right?
14:25<erKURITA>it shouldn't
14:25<Gaara>ok .. with other distrs i didnt have this problem
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14:26<Gaara>when i open youtube and a few more tabs everythin~ was ok
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14:28<sworoc>ferd is a great name
14:28<phillipsjk>gaara. You said your pages load faster now. try leaving ~5-10 seconds between opening extra tabs.
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14:29<fxiny>Gaara: PII 400 running etch here , tabs opened : 9 mrxvt , 6 iceweasel . irssi xmms2 rtorrent running in screen session . i can even open gmail in less then 2 minutes :P
14:29<sworoc>fxiny: impressive
14:30<Gaara>now i have only xchat ktorrent skype
14:30<Gaara>im oppening iceweasel
14:30<fxiny>sworoc: from woody to etch : debian rocks
14:30<sworoc>anybody have a bicycle that runs debian?
14:30<sworoc>it'll run on just about anything faster than that
14:30<Gaara>im wrighting in searchbox something and nothin happend and after 4 sec the whole string was there
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14:31<fxiny>sworoc: i have a bicycle : i use the pump to clean up the f* dust :P
14:33<Gaara>i think iceweasel is heavy for me is there any other good browsers ?
14:33<phillipsjk>I read the back-scroll: if sworoc's quote of 13 mbps is correct, bandwidth should not be an issue.
14:34<sworoc>Gaara: have you used konqueror
14:34<Gaara>phillipsjk, i think that too
14:34<Gaara>sworoc, ooooooooooo yes konqueror
14:34<Gaara>W: GPG error: edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
14:34<Gaara>what does that mean?
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14:34<fxiny>ubu ?
14:34<dondelelcaro>Gaara: that means that you should be asking questions in #ubuntu on
14:34<fxiny>again ?
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14:35<fxiny>Gaara: i told you debian runs very well on my old box !
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14:36<Gaara>o o i paste the wrong code in my source.list
14:36<fxiny>say what you want : i see how my box runs
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14:36<Gaara>W: GPG error: stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
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14:37<Gaara>im trying to install mplayer like its writen on
14:38<sworoc>how do you add that key?
14:38<sworoc>i usually just ignore it :P
14:38<Gaara>i just added deb stable main to a /apt/source.list
14:39<sworoc>yes, it should just be a warning
14:39<sworoc>i normally bypass it, usually isn't a problem
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14:39<sworoc>i think the "correct" way is to add the key
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14:39<fxiny>sworoc: are you running debian or ubu like Gaara ?
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14:40<Gaara>im with debian
14:40<fxiny>cause i don't want to push my brain into a ubu answer
14:40<sworoc>debian testing, Gaara here: step 6
14:41<sworoc>that's a mepis guide, but it'll work
14:41<fxiny>mepis ? aaarggggg
14:41<sworoc>hey, i was too lazy to look further down the google results
14:41<fxiny>we have dpkg the super bot
14:42<sworoc>okay, howto this one?
14:42<dpkg>somebody said gpg was the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or, but apt-get install gnupg
14:42<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
14:42<fxiny>hahahh bingo !
14:42<sworoc>i'm a newb
14:42<sworoc>you showed me
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14:44<fxiny>real men do the : apt-key 1F41B90 : gpg --keyserver ....
14:44<sworoc>i read somewhere aptitude was the official package manager now, is that true?
14:44<sworoc>i'm still an apt-getter
14:44<fxiny>armor export and apt-key add
14:45<fxiny>official ? i use aptitude only since etch but i always double check with apt-get
14:46<sworoc>guess i'm behind hten
14:46<fxiny>i am behind
14:46<fxiny>in fact aptitude never failed on my box
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14:47<phillipsjk>apt-get is just faster sometimes.
14:47<fxiny>oh it is
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14:48<sworoc>fxiny: that needs punctuation: 1) oh it is? 2) oh it is!
14:49<Gaara>blah sworoc i installed konqueror took the flash plugin from mozilla and now when i open youtube there is a big white square instead of the clip :) but the sound is there
14:49<fxiny>sworoc: 1) yes yes . 2 yes , yes :)
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14:50<sworoc>Gaara: i'd switch back to windows :P
14:51<sworoc>Gaara, only kidding: #apt-cache search browser
14:51<sworoc>Gaara: there might be another that suits you better
14:52<Gaara>sworoc, no no :) i wasnt able to install slack for a whole week and didnt give up :) i ain gonna do this now :) just because one browser :) and a bit of lag ;)
14:52<phillipsjk>sworoc: on my machine, aptitude takes 1min 15 sec before it will accept interactive input.
14:53<fxiny>slack ? so : check if you like opera
14:53<sworoc>i do like opera
14:53<sworoc>(not FOSS tho)
14:53<Gaara>iceweasel - lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
14:53<Gaara>cool :D
14:54<fxiny>phillipsjk: i never let the n'cursed loading : aptitude upgrade is all i do
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14:54<erKURITA>lightweight my ass, it's the same Firefox 2.0.x with a new interface
14:54<Gaara>phillipsjk, try apt-cache search browser and youll see it :)
14:54<fxiny>true true
14:54*phillipsjk wonders what a "bloated" browser looks like.
14:55<sworoc>Firefox: the used-to-be new lightweight browser of the future that got bogged down by too many features
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14:55<fxiny>iceweasel icon is cute
14:55<erKURITA>fxiny I like Icedove's more than Firefox's
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14:56<fxiny>erKURITA: i am a mutt servant
14:57<Chron>hi, i need to redirect http requests from main router which has vaild ip to local pc which has apache installed, i did iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -d real_ip -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination local_ip, but it doesn't work, by tcpdump i can see requests to and answers from local pc while telneting to 80 port of router, but nothung happens and it gives Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
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14:57<fxiny>erKURITA: :)
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14:57<sworoc>holy paragraph, batman
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14:58<Chron>i should create such rule in postrouting chain?
14:58<sworoc>Gaara: for real-lightweight, i suggest links2
14:59<erKURITA>Chron just to try?
14:59<Chron>ok just a minute
14:59<sworoc>Gaara: youtube doesn't work great with it tho 8^)
14:59<Gaara>i just installed the flashblock addon
14:59<Gaara>and now icewasel is flyin
14:59<sworoc>that works well, but it'll block flash too.....
15:00<sworoc>i normally have flashblock on, but youtube doesn't work with it
15:00<sworoc>you have to disable it for youtube
15:00<erKURITA>because it uses <noscript> tags
15:00<phillipsjk>Flashblock is pointless if you dont then allow some sites to use flash.
15:01<sworoc>(right, i'm just saying, he's saying youtube is slow)
15:01<Chron>erKURITA: now request is not going to local pc
15:01<Gaara>sworoc, no.. you just hit the "play" sign in the middle of the clip and it starts
15:01<sworoc>yup :)
15:01<suiside>sworoc: tried noscript? it blocks also flash and is very comfortable to use as you can enable a particular flash object in just two clicks
15:02<Gaara>flashblock enable a particular flash object with ONE click :D
15:02<suiside>darn X)
15:03<erKURITA>Chron and your goal is... ?
15:03<suiside>but still, noscript can be used to filter out a lot more besides flash
15:03<fxiny>i use the best extension ever : hide bar . not supported anymore but i keep on editing the version number and i get the useless address out of the way
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15:04<Chron>my goal is to get web-site, which is on local pc with local ip, from world
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15:04<fxiny>of course mozilla betabug 3 don't auto hide the useless address bar ...
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15:05<erKURITA>you're doing it wrong then
15:05<erKURITA>you need to ask your router to do that routing
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15:06<Chron>erKURITA: but i did that string on router
15:06<erKURITA>lol, your router should have its own configuration
15:06<erKURITA>usually accessible through website
15:07<erKURITA>which is faily easier than an iptables rule
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15:07<sworoc>plus it'll actually work!
15:07<dpkg>somebody said /opt was for crap what /usr/local is for well-behaving software. See <usrlocal>, <FHS>
15:07<phillipsjk>chron could your ISP be filtering port 80? (last time I checked my ISP blocks all "well-known" ports)
15:08<erKURITA>phillipsjk that's dumb
15:08<Chron>phillipsjk: no
15:08<sworoc>it's true for me as well
15:08<sworoc>they filter out http servers at home
15:09<sworoc>unless you upgrade to a "business" grade service
15:09<sworoc>you can try to hack around it, but eventually it breaks again
15:09<Chron>erKURITA: i added iptables rule in PREROUTING chain on my router, i did wrong?
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15:10<erKURITA>what's your gateway ?
15:10<rostedt>can someone on debian stable run this command for me: "dpkg -S /usr/lib/cups/backend-available/dnssd"
15:11<rostedt>seems that in testing it is in the package cupsys
15:11<Chron>erKURITA: for local pc?
15:12<rostedt>dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.6-3_i386.deb |grep dnssd
15:12<dpkg>drwxr-xr-x root/root 7642 2003-2-04 03:25:39 ./usr/share//var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.6-3_i386.deb |grep dnssd/pr0n/mitsumi_max.jpeg
15:12<Chron>erKURITA: this router
15:12<erKURITA>as in, the ip
15:12<rostedt>-rwxr-xr-x root/root 8724 2008-03-22 07:42 ./usr/lib/cups/backend-available/dnssd
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15:13<rostedt>but "dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1_i386.deb |grep dnssd"
15:13<rostedt>is empty
15:13<erKURITA>make sure the file exists
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15:13<rostedt>erKURITA: that's listing the contents of the package
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15:14<rostedt>dnssd is part of cupsys in testing
15:14<rostedt>but not in stable
15:14<rostedt>I need to find which package adds it for stable
15:14<erKURITA>oh lawld
15:15<rostedt>I can find where a file is there?
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15:15<rostedt>obviously, the dependencies are not working
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15:15<sworoc>yep, search for dnssd
15:15<erKURITA>rostedt most likely
15:15<rostedt>ah yeah
15:15<rostedt>I see that
15:15<fxiny>try apt-file
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15:16<Chron>erKURITA: do you need ip of my router?
15:16<rostedt>not sure why that site is in german for me
15:16<rostedt>luckily, I can read german
15:16<rostedt>Leider ergab Ihre Suche kein Ergebnis
15:17<rostedt>can't find it :-(
15:17<fxiny> Suche is easy
15:18<rostedt>"unfortunately, our search had no results"
15:18<Gaara>hey dudes.. when i have 2 files .. Bones- and Bones. and when i write Bone and hit tap it stops to Bones right? but there is some damn "bip" sound who drives me crazy :) how can i disable that?
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15:18<rostedt>hmm, doesn't seem that stable has that package :-/
15:19<rostedt>sorry that file
15:19<fxiny>xset -b
15:19<matt_>hello. i need some help on getting nfs to work with a new server.
15:19<rostedt>which version of debian do you guys run on?
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15:19<rostedt>testing? unstable?
15:20<fxiny>take the beep off or rmmod pcspkr
15:20<rostedt>sworoc: thanks
15:20*rostedt might go back to testing
15:20<erKURITA>rtesting here
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15:21<erKURITA>rostedt look at
15:21<sworoc>for a desktop, testing is the way to go imho
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15:21<rostedt>I may go back to testing and see if I can find another way to get hplip working
15:21<erKURITA>I read the changelog of cupsys and it says
15:21<rostedt>sworoc: I believe that too
15:21<matt_>am i in the right place to get help on setting up nfs?
15:21<Gambs>Hm....think I broke wubi.
15:21<rostedt>but after doing an update, hplip broke
15:21<erKURITA>debian/control: Added "libkrb5-dev", and "libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev" to the build dependencies, so that the new Kerberos and DNS Service Discovery support of CUPS gets compiled.
15:22<sworoc>matt_: should be, but i have no experience with nfs, sorry
15:22<matt_>ok, thanks
15:22<rostedt>so I've been trying to downgrade my box to stable and see if I can get it to work again
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15:23<sworoc>rostedt: so we're looking for dnssd?
15:23<Gaara>fxiny, this xset -b was it for me?
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15:24<rostedt>sworoc: yep
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15:24<rostedt>sworoc: for some reason cupsys wont install, because it cant find that package
15:24<rostedt>and tries to hard link it from /usr/lib/cups/backend-available to /usr/lib/cups/backend
15:24<rostedt>my testing boxes shows that dnssd is supplied by cupsys
15:25<rostedt>but the package that comes with stable doesn't include it
15:25<rostedt>but it still tries to install it
15:25*rostedt my try to do a dpkg --purge cupsys
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15:26<sworoc>rostedt: can you cherry-pick? download the testing .deb file and dpkg -i
15:26<rostedt>if it will help to get hplip working again
15:26<rostedt>that's really my problem ;-)
15:26<rostedt>I'm afraid that something with cupsys broke hplip
15:26<rostedt>this all use to work
15:27<rostedt>and then one day I did a few aptitute updates/upgrades
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15:27<rostedt>after my next reboot, the printer stopped working
15:27<rostedt>hplip shows that the printer is there
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15:27<rostedt>I then configured cups and it shows it is there too
15:27<rostedt>but when I try to print, nothing happens
15:28<rostedt>it just says, printer not ready
15:28<sworoc>rostedt: did you make sure there is paper and ink in it :)
15:28<rostedt>sworoc: yes ;-)
15:28<Gaara>THANK YOU ALL for the BIG help :) and see ya
15:28<sworoc>Gaara: no problem, see ya
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15:28<rostedt>sworoc: I've had this working for a few years on this box
15:28<rostedt>the first time I got it working, I had to download hplip from hp
15:29<rostedt>this is probably the forth time my printer stopped working after an upgrade
15:29<sworoc>rostedt: graphics drivers, printers, and projectors, the final frontier
15:29*rostedt finds kernel programming much easier than getting his printer working
15:30<fxiny>good : i never print :P
15:30<rostedt>of course, I can't ask my coworkers
15:30<fxiny>keep on hacking
15:30<rostedt>they always tell me to install fedora
15:30<fxiny>give 'em a nice pencil
15:31<fxiny>fetora ?
15:31<sworoc>maybe you need a small machine hooked up to the printer with fedora, then transfer to doc to the machine and print :P
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15:32<rostedt>sworoc: I do have other boxes
15:32<rostedt>and I probably can simply attach the printer to them
15:32<rostedt>but then again, that is declaring defeat
15:32<erKURITA>or you could just share the printer over the network ?
15:32<sworoc>i know that's a poor solution, and a pain
15:32<rostedt>I WANT THIS BOX TO PRINT!
15:32<rostedt>erKURITA: this is the printer that is shared
15:33<rostedt>which means I can't print from any box
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15:33<rostedt>I'm afraid that if I move the printer somewhere else, I'm just delaying this problem again
15:33<rostedt>when I do my next update on the new box, it will fail
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15:34<rostedt>so, by understanding and solving the issue here, I'll be better prepared the next time
15:34<luigi>hi can you download via konversation?
15:34<sworoc>do you know what version of hplip worked
15:34<luigi>like via mirc ?
15:34<rostedt>sworoc: I think it was something that I downloaded from sf
15:34<Christmas>cd '/floyda/'
15:35<rostedt>sworoc: because I have in my notes from last time I had to fix this:
15:35<rostedt>"download the hplip source and use that. The debian one doesn't work."
15:35<luigi>how to download
15:35<luigi>files please?
15:35<sworoc>luigi: i dont' know about konversation, i know you can with xchat
15:36<luigi>are you using xchat?
15:36<sworoc>yes i am
15:36<luigi>does it work on gnome?
15:36<rostedt>luigi: I am too
15:36<sworoc>i believe so
15:36<rostedt>I'm on gnome
15:36<rostedt>and using xchat
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15:37<luigi>rostedt and sworoc : thanx
15:37*fxiny keeps the irssi faith high in this chat of xchat infidels
15:37<sworoc>luigi: no prob
15:37<sworoc>fxiny: how is irssi, never used it
15:38<fxiny>sworoc: beautiful like the people is for :)
15:38<luigi>is it easy to download via xchat?
15:38<erKURITA>sworoc lines and stripes
15:38*sworoc goes to try irssi
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15:39<luigi_>does anyone know how to download
15:39<luigi_>from xchat?
15:40<erKURITA>download what
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15:42<rostedt>luigi_: click the top "Window" menu
15:42<rostedt>you'll see "File Transfers..."
15:42<rostedt>click that
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15:44<yury>alright, anyone besides me report problems with the new xserver and compiz and window borders?
15:44<yury>I want to say this is a bug in X, but I am not sure
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15:45<lucas_amorim>hello! my compiz-fusion installations was working perfectly before the last apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade
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15:45<lucas_amorim>now it is not starting, displaying an error like this: aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
15:46<lucas_amorim>I am gonna paste the entire output
15:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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15:48<sworoc_>fxiny: you're right, irssi == good
15:48<yury>lucas_amorim: do you want Xgl or AIGLX?
15:49<mzhang>dli, there?
15:49<rostedt>cupsys is installed
15:49<yury>what does glxinfo | grep -i direct
15:49*rostedt had to do a dpkg --purge cupsys
15:49<fxiny>sworoc_: :)
15:49<rostedt>now I can continue to see if I can get hplip working on this box
15:49<lucas_amorim>yury: just a minute
15:50<dli>mzhang, hi
15:50<sworoc_>rostedt: do you know when you got the hplip from sf
15:50<lucas_amorim>yury: lucas@debian:~$ glxinfo | grep -i direct
15:50<lucas_amorim>Error: glXCreateContext failed
15:50<yury>that sounds not good
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15:50<lucas_amorim>do you think I should recompile my nvidia driver?
15:51<rostedt>sworoc_: hplip-1.6.6a.tar.gz was the last good working one
15:51<yury>no gl extensions in you X it seems
15:51<rostedt>but it didn't work afterwards either
15:51<yury>lucas_amorim: paste your xorg.conf
15:51<rostedt>so something isn't working nicely with hplip
15:51<rostedt>I'm suspecting it's cups
15:51<mzhang>dli, cain is incredibly slow.
15:51<lucas_amorim>yury: ok, but remember it was working just before I dist-upgraded
15:51<sworoc_>hrm... but cups sees the printer?
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15:52<mzhang>dli, ssh from laptop, sar3 are all incredibly slow, only fast way is through charm-sal but why?
15:52<rostedt>sworoc_: yeah
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15:52<yury>and your Xorg.log
15:52<alaya>does anyone know, is it possible to get compiz working with fglrx card under sid?
15:52<rostedt>and hplip shows it is ok
15:52<rostedt>oh wait
15:52<rostedt>it may be a foomatic thing
15:52<yury>lucas_amorim: lenny?
15:52<lucas_amorim>I am going to paste it
15:52<rostedt>because I did get the error foomatic-rip: no such file or directory
15:52<rostedt>which I very confusing
15:52<yury>and your xorg.log
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15:52<lucas_amorim>yury: ok
15:52<dli>mzhang, I will do an update
15:52<rostedt>because foomatic is fine, it was just that it had trouble finding the ppd
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15:53<mzhang>dli, do you know what the problem is?
15:53<sworoc_>i don't know anything about foomatic
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15:53<rostedt>sworoc_: unfortunately, neither do I ;-)
15:53<dli>mzhang, some segfaults in dmesg
15:53<Cyorxamp>Hey, I've got a small file and a big file... I want to replace the start of the big file with the small file (overwrite)... if this is a dd job, can anyone show me what kind of command I'm looking at for doing this?
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15:53<brancin>alguien que hable español
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15:54<mzhang>dli, I see, thanks.
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15:54<sworoc_>brancin: hable un poco
15:54<brancin>hola como estan
15:54<brancin>de donde eres
15:55<sworoc_>estados unidos
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15:55<brancin>a ok, eres hispano
15:55*rostedt kann ein bisschen deutsch sprechen ;-)
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15:55<sworoc_>que es la problema?
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15:55<lucas_amorim>yury: I cant find a non empty xorg.0.log in /var/log , where should i look for them?
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15:56<brancin>bueno acabo de entrar a XChat para conocerlo
15:56<brancin>sabes de algunos irc para chile
15:56<mzhang>dli, also ifort license suddenly had some issues, could it be hard drive error?
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15:56<sworoc_>no conozco personas de chile
15:56<yury>well, if it's not in /var/log...
15:56<brancin>a ok, bien gracias, veo que esto funciona,
15:56<yury>do you have ANY xorg.logs?
15:57<brancin>voy a seguir probando
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15:57<brancin>gracias sworoc-
15:57<sworoc_>de nada
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15:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:57<dli>mzhang, no, not in dmesg
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15:58<lucas_amorim>yury: I don't have any :s
15:58<brancin>de dondfe eres yury
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15:58<Baahlzamon>I have a problem wit Identd
15:58<Baahlzamon>any idea where I can find help ?
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15:59<yury>lucas_amorim: odd
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15:59<yury>how did you start X?
15:59<yury>through gdm
15:59<lucas_amorim>yury: I just found a log, but I think it is not update
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15:59<lucas_amorim>do you want to see it?
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16:00<yury>your conf file looks fine
16:00<lucas_amorim>I didn't restart it, i just set fusion-icon to use metacity instead of compiz
16:01<yury>well, your video drivers are clearly not happy
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16:02<lucas_amorim>I think I should recompile my nvidia driver
16:02<lucas_amorim>I know I heave to do it every time i change the kernel, I think last time I did not do it.
16:02<lucas_amorim>Also, google-earth is also not working
16:02<yury>try it
16:03<yury>what are perms for /dev/dri/card0
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16:03<lucas_amorim>it is restarting the X server
16:03<lucas_amorim>ok, I am gonna try
16:03<lucas_amorim>see you soon
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16:05<sworoc>rostedt: i'm looking at foomatic now
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16:05<sworoc>rostedt: what did you say the error was
16:05*rostedt goes to look
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16:06<rostedt>sworoc: grumble, I think the --purge i did removed the log files
16:07<rostedt>but it was foomatic-rip: no such file or directory
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16:07<jtoft>Anyone have suggetions where I should be looking to find out why php5 isn't getting called by apache2?
16:07<sworoc>it looks like it might've changed types, for instance: if it changed to ghostscript, it has to be supported by ghostscript too
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16:08<rostedt>sworoc: ah here it is (found in an old hplip log file)
16:08<rostedt>Filter "foomatic-rip" for printer "hp4215xi" not
16:08<rostedt> available: No such file or directory
16:08<erKURITA>jtoft loaded modules ?
16:09<erKURITA>I believe apachectl has an option to spit out the modules that have been loaded
16:09<sworoc>jtoft: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed?
16:10<sworoc>jtoft: and apache2 / php5 both installed?
16:10<jtoft>yea, I have libapache2-mod-php5 and apache2/php5 installed
16:10<erKURITA>I think it's obvious sworoc :p
16:10<jtoft>all three
16:10*sworoc ducks, sorry
16:11<jtoft>and my httpd.conf is referencing the modules directory where the *.conf's are, including the php5.conf
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16:11<sworoc>rostedt: i'm not seeing anything that says hp4215xi is supported
16:11<dondelelcaro>jtoft: getting called where? Are you using libapache2-mod-php5? or the php5-cgi?
16:11<rostedt>sworoc: it use to work
16:11<rostedt>for a few years in fact
16:12<rostedt>it's one of the hp4200 series
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16:12<sworoc>i tell ya, computer users should be more religious than most
16:12<sworoc>there are more demons hidden in the belly of a computer......
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16:13<erKURITA>we're devils, you mean
16:13*fxiny lights a candle to his Larry Wall altar
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16:13<fxiny>sworoc: ;)
16:14<erKURITA>I wonder what would be the reaction of the people around you if you'd yell "MY GOODNESS, THE DAEMONS CRASHED AT MY PLACE!!"
16:14<erKURITA>in a church. Protestant.
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16:15<lucas_amorim>yuri: now the problem is worse, I could not compile the nvidia driver again, after building the driver it said: "could not load module nvidia.ko"
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16:16<jtoft>the mog-php5
16:16<erKURITA>did it compile fine?
16:16<jtoft>and no luck
16:16<sworoc>erKURITA: not much difference, people look at me funny already
16:16<erKURITA>lucas_amorim could it be linux is pointing at a different header folder?
16:16<lucas_amorim>yuri: I checked if I had the appropriate linux-headers and sources and i have
16:16<erKURITA>rather than your current kernerl's header folder?
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16:17<lucas_amorim>erKURITA: how do I check that???
16:17<erKURITA>ls -la /usr/src | grep linux
16:17<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
16:17*fxiny sings in the corner and in the spotlight
16:19<sworoc>rostedt: have you done anything with SANE?
16:19<yury>look where /usr/src/linux is pointing
16:19<sworoc>rostedt: it may break your printing if you changed something there
16:20<erKURITA>or you could just replace it again and try to compile again
16:20<erKURITA>and nVidia drivers do not require kernel source to be compiled
16:20<erKURITA>just the headers
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16:21<lucas_amorim>linux is pointing at linux-source-2.6.24
16:21<erKURITA>uname -r
16:21<yury>that your kernel?
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16:22<erKURITA>wrong direction
16:22<erKURITA>it should point to the headers
16:22<lucas_amorim>the same
16:22<erKURITA>normally, that is
16:23<lucas_amorim>my kernel is 2.6.24-1-686
16:23<rostedt>sworoc: I haven't done anything with sane except for maybe updating the package
16:23<rostedt>which is a very good possibility
16:24<sworoc>rostedt: if sane changed configs on update, that could do it
16:24<rostedt>I think it might have
16:24<rostedt>I don't usually use sane
16:24<rostedt>not on this box
16:24<sworoc>as could changing configs on update for foomatic, or cups, or dnss
16:24<rostedt>cups I usually keep my old config
16:25<rostedt>but you may be right with sane
16:25<sworoc>i guess it's just tough to track down that many updates
16:25<sworoc>that's my last guess, sorry
16:25<rostedt>I probably thought, hell I don't use sane, and chose the "use new config" option
16:25<sworoc>lol, yeah, it's those trivial things that always come back to be important a week later
16:25<rostedt>basically, if I don't remember monkeying with a config, I tell the updater to use the new configuration
16:25<erKURITA>lucas_amorim yes, normally things that require the kernel stuff, use the headers
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16:26<lucas_amorim>erKURITA: I am going to apt-get remove linux-source to see what happens
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16:28<lucas_amorim>erKURITA: nvidia installer gives me the same error
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16:30<lucas_amorim>erKURITA: I saw that linux is still point at the source
16:30<lucas_amorim>should i change it?
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16:31<rostedt>sworoc: lol
16:31<rostedt>Configuration file `/etc/sane.d/dll.conf'
16:32<rostedt> ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
16:32<rostedt> ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
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16:32*rostedt is reinstalling sane
16:32<sworoc>good call
16:32<rostedt>sworoc: well, to downgrade to stable, I pretty much removed all packages
16:32*rostedt had to reinstall bash :-p
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16:33<rostedt>that was fun
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16:33<parmon> aparrently my pcmcia wireless card isn't being detected during boot or i need to load a driver/module for it. there was a command that seemed to work. "modprobe pcmcia_core" but i''m not sure is that is the correct syntax or not. a little help would be appreciated.
16:33<rostedt>the hardest was to update dpkg
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16:34<sworoc>updating dpkg is a mess
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16:34<lucas_amorim>erKURITA, yuri: after pointing linux to the headers i got the same installation error about the nvidia.ko module
16:35<lucas_amorim>what do you think about installing another version of the driver?
16:35<rostedt>sworoc: I had to type in manually a bunch of other packages to do the downgrade
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16:38<sworoc>anyone else having internet problems, it's storming here so it may be local
16:39<rostedt>sworoc: I'm fine
16:39<sworoc>irc is working fine, but no web surfing :(
16:39*rostedt admires the nice beautiful day outside
16:39<parmon>sworoc: proxy?
16:40<sworoc>shouldn't be, maybe through the ISP
16:40<rostedt>yeah, I was about to say :-/
16:40<rostedt>perhaps your ISP controls port 80 on another box?
16:40<rostedt>via transparent proxy
16:40<rostedt>and that box could be down
16:40<sworoc>i suppose...... parmon: anybody help you yet?
16:41<parmon>no not yet
16:41<sworoc>i saw your request, i don't know anything about that i'm afraid
16:42<rostedt>parmon: that is the right syntax for modprobe
16:42<rostedt>whether it is the right module or not, is another question ;-)
16:42<rostedt>parmon: did your card ever get detected?
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16:48<parmon> sorry
16:48<parmon>rostedt: no it didn't
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16:53<rostedt>parmon: when you plug it in, what shows up in "dmesg"?
16:54<epilido>i have a2 day old lenny install and i am going to re install to make some disk changes. is there any way to save the downloaded .debs to another drive and then point pt sources at the local data?
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16:55<sworoc_>you can save the files, ye
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16:55<sworoc_>they are located in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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16:56<sworoc_>you can mv /var/cache/apt/archives/* to the other drive
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16:57<sworoc_>then when you reinstall, mv that directory back to /var/cache/apt/archives/
16:57<milo>hi all
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16:57<sworoc_>when you try to install the files, it will just use the local files
16:57<epilido>is there a way to point sources.lst to the other drive
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16:59<sworoc>epilido: see this thread
16:59<sworoc>they disscuss some of the issues there
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17:01<sworoc> section 2.2
17:01*rostedt decides to go back to testing
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17:10<sworoc>no prob
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17:26<Nick>tudo bem?
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17:32<dan>can anyone here help me? i cant seem to get on the official #Ubuntu channel
17:33<simonrvn>/j #ubuntu
17:33<simonrvn>or /join
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17:33<dan>oh, ok. just there are only 4 people on that channel.. so i didnt think that was the *official* channel
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17:34<simonrvn>they're on freenode i think
17:34<dan>would i go /j #freenode ?
17:35<guillaume>Hello I lost snd modules after removing hsf modem driver, how can I restore alsa ?
17:35<dan>oh wait.. im on the site now
17:35<EnriqueI>you'd time
17:35<EnriqueI> /connect
17:35<EnriqueI>and then in that server
17:35<EnriqueI> /join #ubuntu
17:36<guillaume>alsaconf and alsa-utils fail
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17:53<sahxo>is there some highly flexible way to add dual monitors to xorg.conf?
17:53<EnriqueI>saxho: hi
17:53<sahxo>i mean real plug and play
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17:53<erKURITA>sahxo yes
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17:54<sahxo>erKURITA: thanks. i will look into that
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18:37<szary>jest tu kto?
18:37<erKURITA>In English please
18:39<szary>is is hier enybody?
18:40<Baahlzamon>was'up man
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18:40<szary>are You Englisch men?
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18:43<Baahlzamon>No, I'm a blue man
18:43<Baahlzamon>from the blue planet
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18:44<Baahlzamon>Yeah I know
18:44<Baahlzamon>Are you from earth ?
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18:45<szary>from earth II
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18:46<Baahlzamon>Wahou In wicth galaxy is that planet
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18:48<szary>our galactic hasn't name
18:49<Baahlzamon>Oh I see
18:49<Baahlzamon>It's the Unknow galaxy
18:49<Baahlzamon>I think I know where it is
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18:50<szary>what do You mean?
18:51<Baahlzamon>Are you french ?
18:51<EnriqueI>what happens in the unknown galaxy stays in the unknown galaxy
18:51<EnriqueI>unfortunately the women aren't very attractive
18:52<szary>You can try for two time
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18:56<szary>no many time
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19:04<Gaara>hello again
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19:07<EnriqueI>Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
19:07<EnriqueI>(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
19:07<EnriqueI>C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>uptime
19:07<EnriqueI>\\ENRIQUEI-P3 has been up for: 25 day(s), 12 hour(s), 48 minute(s), 48 second(s)
19:07-!-EnriqueI was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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19:08<EnriqueI>\\ENRIQUEI-P3 has been up for: 25 day(s), 12 hour(s), 48 minute(s), 48 second(s)
19:08<EnriqueI>Tis a miracle!
19:08<Gaara>what is a miracle?
19:08<EnriqueI>XP staying up for nearly a month
19:09<Gaara>phah why not ?
19:09<EnriqueI>helps when you turn off services you don't need and remove all the bloat I guess
19:10<EnriqueI>hey have you used pure-ftp
19:10<Gaara>long time ago
19:11<EnriqueI>im having issues with the passive ftp
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19:11<Gaara>try the other option
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19:12<EnriqueI>active works
19:12<EnriqueI>but some of our clients are stubborn on using passive
19:13<Gaara>tell them this method is going to burn theyr pcs :D
19:13<Gaara>their* :D
19:13<Gaara>no im jokin :) sorry i cant help :(
19:14<EnriqueI>i wish
19:14<Gaara>is there a man in the channel who have log from today? i want to find one string but i dont keep logs :(
19:18<Laeborg>why is debian VERY slow to delete files from one of my NTFS discs ?
19:19<erKURITA>Laeborg corrupt FAT, possibly
19:19<erKURITA>Gaara I do
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19:19<Laeborg>can i fix tthat whitout formating the disc?
19:20<erKURITA>meh, there's no entry
19:20<erKURITA>anyway, there's a program that tries to fix ntfs discs
19:20<erKURITA>it's inside ntfs-tools
19:20<petemc>Laeborg: you've found ntfs3g faster on other distributions?
19:21<erKURITA>alright dpkg, don't talk to me :(
19:21<Gaara>can i .. private ?
19:21<Gaara>can you find one string for me from today
19:21<erKURITA>tell me
19:21<Gaara>one dude told me some dns to replace mine in resolv.conf
19:21<erKURITA>it was me lol
19:22<Gaara>but when i rebooted they are no longer there
19:22<Gaara>aaaaaaa you ? :) heeh
19:22<erKURITA>you need to add them to /etc/network/interfaces then
19:22<Laeborg>hmm well i have only used linux at servers before
19:22<erKURITA>under the iface auto interface dhcp
19:22<Gaara>erKURITA, can you tell me again.. coz now its slow again :)
19:22<Gaara>true :)
19:23<erKURITA>god damn it
19:23<erKURITA> and
19:24<Gaara>erKURITA, can you tell me how to add them to /network/interfaces.. koz i dont see any similar dns thee
19:24<dpkg>hmm... ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also and
19:24<erKURITA>you need to add a few entries
19:25<Laeborg>now have i installed the package ntfsprogs
19:26<erKURITA>ntfsfix is your command then
19:26<Laeborg>hmm how to use?
19:26<erKURITA>if I recall correctly, the entry should be
19:26<erKURITA>dns-nameserver ip
19:26<erKURITA>Laeborg man ntfsfix :)
19:26<Gaara>and this is in /etc/network/interface?
19:26<Laeborg>run it in shell or?
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19:27<erKURITA>it must be placed under the configuration line for the interface that uses DHCP
19:27<erKURITA>I suppose it's eth0
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19:27<Gaara>iface eth0 inet dhcp
19:27<Gaara>under this?
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19:28<Laeborg>Refusing to operate on read-write mounted device /dev/sdc3.
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19:28<erKURITA>you must un-mount it first
19:30<Gaara>erKURITA, how can i save xset -b forever :)~
19:30<Laeborg>hmm can't remember the command to that, only to mount :/
19:30<erKURITA>add to .bashrc
19:30<Gaara>umount /device/
19:31<Laeborg>now i have umount it, run ntfsfix, then i need to mount it again, right?
19:32<Laeborg>that worked :)
19:32<Laeborg>it deleting alot faster now :D
19:32<erKURITA>awesome :D
19:32<Laeborg>thank you :D
19:32<erKURITA>you're welcome
19:33<Mantaar>Gaara: .xinitrc or .xsession is probably the better place. If you put it in .bashrc, be sure to check if the shell is a child of an .XServer (or, alternatively, $DISPLAY is set), because you might screw up scp/ssh/rlogin and other stuff that depends on .${SHELL}rc not emitting anything to std{out,err}
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19:34<guillaume>hello i have no snd under sid : Setting up ALSA...done (none loaded). and no snd module in the 2.6.25 kernel too
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19:35<simonrvn>Gaara: add it to ~/.xsession
19:35<Gaara>i didnt have one.. i created is this ok ?
19:35<simonrvn>yes, of course
19:36<Gaara>cool :) tnx dudes
19:36<Gaara>and i have to write only xset -b inside?
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19:36<erKURITA>it should be enough
19:36<erKURITA>alright, off I go for the night
19:36<Gaara>erKURITA, tnx and see ya :)
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19:39<vsm_tck__>I'm having a really weird problem. I have my debian comp and windows comp side by side and I can't get to a website on my debian comp but I can on my windows comp.
19:39<vsm_tck__>I checked DNS and they're both resolving to the same IP.
19:39<vsm_tck__>I put the IP directly in my browser.
19:40<vsm_tck__>I tried epiphany/iceweasel/lynx.
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19:40<vsm_tck__>Not sure what to check exactly.
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19:41<vsmatck>oh but I can connect to it with telnet.
19:41<vsmatck>If I do telnet mydomain 80, and then GET index.html it gives me a 404 page.
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19:42<vsmatck>my resolver goes to /etc/resolv.conf and then out to my dns server I'm pretty sure. Does it do anything else?
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19:43<kop>vsmatck : Start with ping. Can you ping the local nic. Then can you ping the gateway.
19:43<vsmatck>lemme check! :)
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19:43<kop>What configures the Ctrl-Alt-Fn keypress switching that switches consoles?
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19:44<vsmatck>I can ping localhost, the gateway, and the webserver I want to visit.
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19:45<Trollinator>why is apache tomcat 6 not in debian unstable yet?
19:45<lucas_amorim>hello, after the last apt-get dist-upgrade my nvidia drivers presented some errors that made me decide to install a newest version of the driver. Installation went ok, but when I started the x server I got an error that says that the kernel module is version 169.09 while the new driver is version 169.12 or something. How can I correct this?
19:45<kop>vsmatck : Ok, so the network works.
19:46<kop>vsmatck : iptables -L says that there's no firewall?
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19:46<vsmatck>nope, nothing set up.
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19:46<vsmatck>I'm very confused. I don't think I'm a noob, but.. maybe I am and don't knowi t.
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19:47<guillaume>is it possible to get snd-hda-intel module under sid ?
19:47<vsmatck>I have control over the webserver too. I should go look at the logs.
19:47<vsmatck>actually.. I'm irc'ing from that webserver now.
19:48<kop>vsmatck : How are you connecting to the net? Is there some sort of firewall appliance between you and it?
19:48<vsmatck>kop, yeah they recently put one in at my school. I have a internet IP but I think there is a firewall set up and bridge mode between me and the internets.
19:49<vsmatck>The windows computer should be behind the same thing though,.
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19:49<lucas_amorim>is there anyone experienced in nvidia driver installation that could help me?
19:50<kop>vsmatck : hping can help with that sort of stuff.
19:50<kop>vsmatck : Maybe there's a http proxy that the windows box knows about?
19:50<vsmatck>maybe! lemme look!
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19:51<guillaume>lucas_amorim: maybe
19:51<vsmatck>nope, I just looked in my firefox settings and there's not.
19:51<kop>vsmatck : You get your IP from dhcp?
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19:51<vsmatck>yeah, ok get this. I'm doing a watch 'tail access.log' and I can see the pages I'm requesting with epiphany.
19:51<vsmatck>but my browser just hangs there.
19:52<vsmatck>I just requested a weird page http://mydomain/akldfadkjfa and it showed up in the access log.
19:52<kop>vsmatck : (Use tail -f)
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19:52<guillaume>lucas_amorim: have you build the driver from nvidia .run package ?
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19:52<vsmatck>kop, ooh! I didn't know about that. Neat!
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19:53<kop>vsmatck : But you try it with telnet to port 80 and get a 404? What shows up in the webserver logs?
19:53<lucas_amorim>guillame: Yes I did
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19:53<kop>vsmatck : And what about other protocols like ssh?
19:54<lucas_amorim>guillame: but it is not the first time I did it, so there was a residual installation..
19:54<guillaume>lucas_amorim: in a terminal after shutting down gdm ?
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19:54<lucas_amorim>guillaume: after the last apt-get dist-upgrade my nvidia drivers presented some errors that made me decide to install a newest version of the driver. Installation went ok, but when I started the x server I got an error that says that the kernel module is version 169.09 while the new driver is version 169.12 or something. How can I correct this?
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19:55<vsmatck>I'm ssh'd in to it now.
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19:55<vsmatck>It's showing HTTP 200 when I try to load the main page but I get no page returned.. hmm.
19:56<vsmatck>I got desperate and rebooted a few minutes ago and that also didn't fix it. :)
19:56<kop>vsmatck : There's a transparent proxy between you and the webserver, that's doing bad things.
19:56<lucas_amorim>guillaume: it seems that the nvidia kernel module is from the older installation while the driver is from the last installation... I don't know why the newer installation did not erase the older kernel module
19:56<chealer>lucas_amorim: make the versions match
19:56<vsmatck>kop, sonova.. I bet your right. I mean it seems like we checked everything.
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19:57<lucas_amorim>chealer: how? that is the point
19:57<kop>vsmatck : Meanwhile try ftp. That'll get you apt updates etc., if it works.
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19:57<vsmatck>I'm going to go find a firefox extension to change my agent ID to windows and see if it works.
19:57<guillaume>lucas_amorim: run the installer with --uninstall and build it again
19:57<vsmatck>I can visit everything else fine. Just not my homepage.
19:57<chealer>lucas_amorim: it depends on the version you want
19:57<kop>vsmatck : You can see other web pages on the web?
19:58<lucas_amorim>guillaume: I will try that
19:58<vsmatck>it's very weird..
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19:58<lucas_amorim>chealer: I want the newest
19:58<kop>vsmatck : Run your home page through
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19:58<lucas_amorim>chealer: 169.12
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19:58<chealer>lucas_amorim: then you change the kernel module to version 169.12
19:59<lucas_amorim>chealer: the problem is that i don't know how to change the kernel module
19:59<kop>vsmatck : It might be the webserver configuration doing something wack with your user agent or some such. If it's _just_ one page, then the problem is with the page.
19:59<vsmatck>garrr, that sounds logical.
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19:59<lucas_amorim>chealer: nvidia provides only one package which should install both the driver and the module, right?
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20:00<guillaume>need alsa guru for intel hda and kernel 2.6.25-1 undre sid.
20:00<guillaume>lucas_amorim: yes
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20:00<mot>i have a question
20:00<lucas_amorim>guillaume, chealer: is there a way to install only the module?
20:00<chealer>lucas_amorim: nvidia-installer is not supported here. ask #nvidia
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20:01<lucas_amorim>i think I will do the --uninstall thing to see what i can get
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20:01<lucas_amorim>chealer: thanks :s
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20:02<mot>let's say i have two partitions - an OS partition and a data partition...i wiped windows 2003 server off of the OS partition and installed debian linux, however i want the reset all permissions on the data partition (i couldn't access this data partition from within windows because somebody lost the admin passwords) but now that i've installed debian, i can mount it and view the data, but i can't delete any of the do i say, 'neutralize' or 'reset'
20:02<mot>the permissions on this partition? (it's ntfs, by the way) ...i was going to just backup the data, delete and recreate the partition, and then copy it back over however it's a 60gb partition and it's 8pm and i'm tired.
20:02<mot>(sorry for the length) :O
20:02<vsmatck>kop, thanks for narrowing down the problem bro. I was messing with both the webserver and the firewall which redirect ports to it last night. I'm betting your right and it's something I messed up.
20:03<kop>mot: "man chown" and "man chmod". -R changes thing recursively.
20:03<mot>well, the permissions on the partition are all root, since that why they get mounted as
20:03<mot>but these are windows users access this partition (it's going to be shared via samba)
20:03<mot>i'm not sure what to chown the partition to to 'reset' it's permissions
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20:04<adinsx>Ok, me and my friend hobo here need some help setting up a broadcom wirless network card.
20:05<adinsx>iwconfig shows the card
20:05<kop>mot: You probably want chmod, but there may be authentication and permission issues with samba of which I'm not aware. I always poke samba with a stick. You probably set permissions with samba to allow users to do different things there. (BTW, you don't need an ntfs filesystem to share with samba, anything will do.)
20:05<adinsx>/etc/network/interfaces has been changed to what it needs to be
20:05<mot>kop: i know you don't, but the partition was previously a windows 2k3 server slave
20:05<mot>and i don't want to backup 60gb of data
20:05<kop>mot: You might find better samba help at on the samba irc channel, if you don't get enough help here.
20:06<kop>mot: Yeah.
20:06<mot>well before this becomes a samba issue.
20:06<mot>i just mean at the OS level, when i mount the partition as root
20:06<adinsx>And we used fwcutter to extract bcmwl5.sys, and also tried bcmwl5.sys
20:06<mot>it can't delete any files - it tells me operation not permitted.
20:06<adinsx>Anyone have any idea?
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20:06<guillaume>is it possible to load a 2.6.24 module into a 2.6.25-1 kernel ?
20:06<abrotman>you mean bcm43xx-fwcutter?
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20:06<adinsx>yeah that one
20:07<adinsx>we followed these instructions:
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20:07<adinsx>alomost to the T
20:07<kop>mot: chmod -R a+rw /foo will make everything read/writeable on from /foo on down. (But better rtfm man chmod before you try it, just to be sure you're doing what you want.)
20:07<adinsx>the card is detected, and modprobe *seems* to work
20:07<The_Hobo>I'm pretty much linux-retarded, so he has helped me get this far
20:07<adinsx>*seems to be detected
20:07<kop>mot: You might use mtree to backup your meta data before mucking with it!
20:07<abrotman>adinsx: which bcm card? which veresion of debian ?
20:08<adinsx>ah one sec
20:08<The_Hobo>4318 for the card
20:09<adinsx>2.6.22-3-686 was his kernel i think
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20:09<kop>guillaume : Not that I know of. That'd be scarey. You could try recompiling and take your chances, but I would'nt bet on it.
20:10<mot>kop what does the 'a' flag in your chmod command do?
20:10<kop>mot: You can use symbolic names instead of an octal code. 'a' means all. (I really would back up things with mtree (fast) before you mess with them.)
20:11<abrotman>whatever version of debian that is .. the kernel is out of date
20:11<adinsx>It seemed like it
20:11<mot>also, is there an ntfs-3g package in debian? just tried to add this partition into my fstab but i don't seem to have ntfs-3g installed
20:11<kop>mot: You might also want "find /foo -type d -exec chmod a+x \{\};" to make all directories traversable.
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20:12<mot>what benefit would that have?
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20:12<kop>mot: Dunno. I think there's ntfs support built into the kernels these days.
20:12<guillaume>kop: i had lot's of pb under sid due to libffi4 upgrade to libffi5... and as I move to kernel 2.6.25-1 it seems that there's no snd-hda-intel module in it ... :( bad time ;)
20:12<mot>oh, i've always just used ntfs-3g in other distros
20:13<kop>mot: x on directories lets you into the directory.
20:13<kop>mot: I could be wrong. aptitude search ntfs
20:13<guillaume>kop: what's strange is that I had sound under 2.6.25 untill i remove an alsa driver for my internal modem
20:14<kop>Nobody knows how to change the ctrl-alt-fn key sequence to switch consoles?
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20:16<kop>Humm... loadkeys does it, but what's the right way to invoke it?... Gotta go for the moment.
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20:17<Laeborg>i have some problems with my soundcard. there does not come any sound when i try to play some music
20:17<Laeborg>anyone who can help me?
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20:17<weasel>.oO( some music? maybe it's picky )
20:17<mot>what the christ
20:17<mot>i LOVE backing up users' data
20:18<chealer>mot: yes, starting from lenny
20:18<mot>and realizing that 75% of their 'data' is fucking music
20:18<mot>ugh, i should just ONLY backup their pertinent files and tell them so-sorry on the music. here i am sitting here after hours
20:18<Laeborg>weasel: its not just music, its anything
20:18<mot>starving my ass off, backing up this lady's limewire bullshit. amazing.
20:18<mot>they don't pay me enough.
20:18<Laeborg>no sound at all
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20:24<qqsea>Laeborg: apt-cache policy alsa-utils |grep Instal
20:25<qqsea>Laeborg: apt-cache policy alsa-base |grep Instal
20:25<Trollinator>Hi, i have a problem with virtualbox-ose
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20:25<Trollinator>i want to compile the kernel module because debian doesn't yet ship it for linux-2.6.36
20:26<Trollinator>2.6.25 i mein
20:26<Trollinator>but it says "ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid. include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing."
20:26<Trollinator>even though those files are definately there.
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20:28<Laeborg>when I do cat /proc/asound/cards i can't see my soundcard. Only my TV-Card and my onboard soundcard (Witch don't work with my kernel)
20:28<qqsea>Laeborg: as root do , alsaconf , in a large terminal
20:29<qqsea>Laeborg: lspci | grep audio
20:29<Laeborg>i can see my soundcard when i do a alsaconf
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20:29<Laeborg>05:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
20:29<Laeborg>thats my soundcard
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20:31<Laeborg>but still no sound
20:31<qqsea> cat /etc/group | grep audio
20:32<mot>think with me here people. what is the fastest way to backup 44GB?
20:32<mot>i'm copying from a HDD -> external usb drive. no usb 2.0
20:32<qqsea>Laeborg: just reboot
20:33<Laeborg>okay, qqsea, will try that.
20:33<mot>gotta get this crap backed up and i don't know of any tape drive utilities for linux
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20:33<nevyn>mot: tar
20:33<mot>i have to move it off of the partition
20:34<abrotman>mot: seriously? there are like .. at least a dozen
20:34<mot>any gui-based ones? it's late, i'm tired, and if i fuck this up i get fired.
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20:34<mot>i want to back up this data, remove/recreate this partition, and copy it back
20:34<mot>or figure out how to get this partition to mount read/write
20:35<mot>even if i force it to mount as rw under root (it's an ntfs partition) it complains that $LogFile isn't clean, and to mount it in windows
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20:35<jtoft>mot why don't you... transfer it to another HD via IDE/S-ata..
20:35<jtoft>Or say... LAN it off to another comp
20:35<mot>because i'm working on a pretty big server and i don't wanna open it up
20:35<mot>copying to the usb will be faster than LAN'ing it to another box.
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20:36<Laeborg>hmm. still no sound
20:36<jtoft>I guess... I don't see why you'd do that though for a "large" amount of data unless you're using the usb to an external hd
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20:37<jtoft>and if you're doing that just take the HD out and wire it into the IDE/sata and do drive to drive
20:37<jtoft>save yourself some spite
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20:37<mot>it's a hot-swap drive i'd have to take it out of it's enclosure
20:37<jtoft>That's what I was saying.
20:38<jtoft>Faster isn't always simpler.
20:39<qqsea>Laeborg: unmute your system (?),try alsamixer
20:39<guillaume>mot: you should try ntfsfix to correct ntfs pb
20:39<jtoft>anyone have ideas why apache2 wouldn't be running php?
20:39<mot>guillaume, pb?
20:39<Laeborg>qqsea: i can see alsamixer doesn't use my soundcard
20:40<jtoft>I have the libapache2-mod-php5 installed as well as apache2, the apache2.conf is poiting to my modules/*.conf (including the php.conf)
20:40<guillaume>mot: correct $LogFile problem
20:40<jtoft>and the handlers are setup (it seems).
20:40<mot>guillaume, it will?
20:41<mot>so then i'd, hypothetically, be able to mount the partition rw instead of ro?
20:41<mot>what are the chances it would f-up my partition further?
20:41<qqsea>Laeborg: what say to you : Card: (here Intel 82801BA-ICH2 ) ? and Chip: (here Analog Devices AD1885 )
20:41<jtoft>mot if you're having so much trouble with +rw/+ro why don't you just open the damned drive in wine and work from there
20:42<jtoft>being as it might have access to NTFS
20:42<guillaume>mot: I use frequently an external HD of 500GB here and I use ntfsfix frequently, untill now I had no problem with it
20:42<qqsea>Laeborg: use mouse to copy/paste that info
20:42<Laeborg>Cap_J_L_Picard: Conexant CX8811@
20:42<jtoft>There's also Hirens cd if you're having issues with your ntfs partition
20:42<Laeborg>Chip: CX88
20:42<jtoft>-tons- of -efficient- utilities.
20:42<Laeborg>its my TV-Card
20:43<jtoft>Hell, it even has HDD Regenerator (++ to that IMO)
20:43<qqsea>Laeborg: ok
20:44<mot>guillaume, lol, i ran ntfs fix on the drive and it said "refusing to operate on read/write mounted drive /dev/sda2" even though /dev/sda2 is mounted ro because i can't get it to mount rw =(
20:44<mot>why is the whole world against me tonight?
20:44<jtoft>mot is there a reason you haven't used a -Windows- utility for your -NTFS- drive?
20:45<mot>jtoft because the guy i replaced "doesn't remember" the admin password for the copy of windows 2003 server that was on here
20:45<guillaume>mot: unmount the device before using ntfsfix
20:45<mot>so i formatted it and threw debian on
20:45<qqsea>Laeborg: heve to swich to CM8738 , how ? dunno
20:45<jtoft>then get rid of the password.
20:45<jtoft>Go Download Hiren's Boot CD dude
20:45<jtoft>save yourself a load of time.
20:46<Laeborg>hmm okay qqsea
20:46<jtoft>I think even BartPE might have some WinNT/XP/200x password removal/replacement utilities
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20:47<sumargin>Hi, I can't load the desktop image in icewm
20:47<sumargin>How can I do that?
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20:48<sumargin>Anyone can help me?
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20:49<Laeborg>hmm i just tried to run alsaconf again, and then alsamixer, but its still the wrong card alsamizer user
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20:52<qqsea>Laeborg: are you useing etch ?
20:53<phillipsjk>sumargin, xloadimage is a command-line tool for setting the desktop backgraound.
20:53<qqsea>Laeborg: you may pick a diferent mixer from here§ion=all
20:54<Laeborg>witch would you recommend?
20:54<qqsea>Laeborg: you are gnome or kde user
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20:56<qqsea>Laeborg: kdetv kdemultimedia kmix
20:57<Laeborg>apt-get install kmix ?
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20:57<qqsea>but all is ok too
20:57<Laeborg>and the same with the 2 others?
20:58<qqsea> apt-get install kmix kdetv kdemultimedia
20:58<sumargin>Which software should I install if I want to look the jpg or png photos
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20:58<path>gthumb maybe
20:58<path>or eog
20:59<Xenguy>gqview and imagemagick are others
21:00*| <3 gqview
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21:00<kop>sumargin : I like feh.
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21:02<sumargin>what's the full name of the software, May I use apt tool to install it?
21:03<EnriqueI>apt-cache search jpg viewer
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21:04<Laeborg>hi again
21:04<Laeborg>i can't see my soundcard in KMix
21:04<EnriqueI>sumargin: Or browse through packages in synaptic
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21:05<chealer>sumargin: which desktop environment do you use?
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21:06<|>openbox. :D
21:06*| hides
21:06<EnriqueI>desktop environment?
21:06<EnriqueI>tty 1-12 are enough for me
21:06<Mantaar>XMonad, ftw!
21:06<|>er...thought you were talking about window managers. :x
21:06<chealer>jtoft: what do you mean by "running PHP"?
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21:08<qqsea>Laeborg: dunno , sorry
21:08<Laeborg>wow sound :D
21:08<Laeborg>switch to my onboard soundcard
21:09<sumargin>kop , how can i use feh to look the pic?
21:09<Laeborg>but no sound when i try to play a .mp3 with VLC
21:09<chealer>sumargin: you have multiple choices, one of which is kuickshow
21:10<jtoft>Uhg. I want to rip apache apart.
21:10<jtoft>Curl says php5's installed
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21:10<jtoft>but apache refuses to parse the code
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21:10<jtoft>Any ideas..?
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21:10<Laeborg>how can i see what dsp number my soundcard has?
21:11<kop>sumargin : You say "feh foo.jpg", or give it a wildcard.
21:11<Mantaar>jtoft: refuses? You mean, displays the code instead of exectuing it?
21:11<kop>sumargin : If you want something gui I can't help, other than to use a browser with file:///home/foo/image/
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21:12<sumargin>How can I use feh to set the desktop?
21:12<qqsea>Laeborg: add "deb etch main" to /etc/apt/sources.list
21:12<qqsea>Laeborg: and run "apt-get update"
21:14<Laeborg>W: GPG error: etch Release: Følgende signaturer kunne ikke verificeret, da den offentlige nøgle ikke er tilgængelig: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
21:14<kop>sumargin : You don't. That depends on the desktop. Most have some sort of control panel. There's a xroot or something that sets the root X window background, but that's not a good idea.
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21:14<sumargin>kop : I use icewm
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21:15<kop>sumargin : You could try xsetbg or xsetroot, but otherwise you probably need to rtfm or find somebody here who knows.
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21:18<Mantaar>qqsea: use feh --bg-scale /path/to/img
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21:18<kop>sumargin : Unless you do it via icewm it won't be permanent.
21:18<Mantaar>qqsea: sorry, was for sumargin
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21:19<qqsea>Laeborg: gpg --keyserver --recv-keys '1F41B907'
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21:19<kop>Where do I find the scripts for whatever dpkg-reconfigure does for a particular package? (I want to change the default keymap, and so want to look at what dpkg-reconfigure console-common does. What's the right way to muck with the keymap?)
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21:22<qqsea>Laeborg: and run a new "apt-get update"
21:22<Laeborg>hmm nothing happend after gpg: requesting key 1F41B907 from hkp server
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21:23<qqsea>Laeborg: run it as root
21:23<Laeborg>i do
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21:24<Laeborg>gpg: requesting key 1F41B907 from hkp server
21:26<qqsea>apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
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21:28<qqsea>but even without that hey you may install new package (have to say Y in apt-get install)
21:28<Laeborg>package installed
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21:29<Laeborg>apt-get update done
21:29<qqsea>Laeborg: and than "apt-get install w32codecs smplayer mplayer"
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21:30<Laeborg>can't find that package
21:30<qqsea>which ?
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21:30<qqsea>no pb ,
21:30<qqsea>do w/o that
21:31<Laeborg>apt-get install w32codecs mplayer works
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21:32<Laeborg>and new i should try to play music with mplayer?
21:32<chealer>kop: in /var/lib/dpkg/ingo/
21:33<chealer>kop: in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
21:33<Laeborg>Error: Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
21:34<qqsea>have to stop the other ons
21:34<Laeborg>ons ?
21:35<qqsea>the first you tried
21:35<Laeborg>i have mirc open. that says 'pling' if someone highlights me
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21:36<qqsea>Laeborg: a reboot may help
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21:36<Laeborg>okay will try that
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21:41<Laeborg>didn't work
21:41<qqsea>what is the error ?
21:42<Laeborg>the same as before
21:43<jtoft>apache refuses to read php
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21:44<qqsea>Laeborg: I think you have to alocate diferent adderess in BIOS to PCI sound card
21:44<Laeborg>hmm but the sound works here in mirc?
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21:45<qqsea>never used
21:45<Laeborg>and it works in teamspeak
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21:46<Laeborg>/dev/dsp1 give sound in teamspeak
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21:46<Laeborg>but not /dev/dsp
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21:47<qqsea>Laeborg: I realy take a look in BIOS
21:50<Laeborg>sound works in VLC :D
21:50<qqsea>the software now is ok
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21:51<Laeborg>i am a very happy man right now ;) :D
21:51<kop>Crud. No support for an Inside-out Networks Edgeport/4 usb/rs232 converter in stock debian (etch). I guess I build my own kernel. :-(
21:51<qqsea>glade to heare that
21:52<Laeborg>i almost feel me naked, because i didn't could hear music
21:52<Laeborg>thank you very much :D
21:52<qqsea>np Laeborg
21:54<Laeborg>but is it normal, that i only can use my sound device in one program at the same time?
21:54<Laeborg>when im on teamspeak, theres no *ding* sound when people highlight me at mirc
21:55<qqsea>I don't think that is normal
21:56<qqsea>I don't think that *it is normal
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21:56<sumargtin>Hi, How do you screen the desktop?
21:56<sumargtin>I forget the software name
21:57<qqsea>Laeborg: they use different "ways" the "highlight" and vlc
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21:58<Laeborg>damn its good to hear some musik :P have lived without music in 3 days now :P
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22:02<Laeborg>how to get VLC to open a song in the currently open player, instead of open a new player?
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22:03<guillaume>Is it possible to get 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)running under 2.6.25-1-amd64 ??
22:03<qqsea>there are a menu : open a file(or directory !!!)
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22:04<qqsea>or even a network URL
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22:08<thepretender84>can someone help me out with kvpnc?
22:08<thepretender84>i had a friend export his config in xml format
22:08<thepretender84>but I can't see where I can import it
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22:09<thepretender84>kvpnc: 0.9.0
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22:15<thepretender84>ok...back to more googling
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22:30<chealer>guillaume: does ALSA support it?
22:31<guillaume>chealer: yes
22:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 358] by debhelper
22:32<guillaume>chealer: I report a bug to linux-image-2.6.25-1 because there's no snd-hda-intel module in it
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22:36<guillaume>chealer: are you under sid ?
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22:37<guillaume>chealer: I try to buil it from alsa-driver source but I got a build error
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22:40<chealer>guillaume: no
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22:40<chealer>guillaume: then yes, it's possible
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22:41<guillaume>chealer: how ?
22:42<chealer>guillaume: since which version does ALSA support it?
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22:43<guillaume>chealer: mine is 1.0.16-1.1 and all was ok under 2.6.24 kernel
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22:44<guillaume>cause this one as the module snd-hda-intel, but was buggy with hwclock
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22:49<qqsea>guillaume: ask that on #sidux , they use 2.6.25 currently
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22:57<Laeborg>An error occurred while loading
22:57<Laeborg>Unknown host
22:58<Laeborg>at my server
22:58<Laeborg>its on every ports
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23:00<chealer>guillaume: "which" linux-image-2.6.25-1 are you talking about?
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23:01<dave_>the way in root/.bashrc
23:01<dave_> * export JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jdk1.6.0_05
23:01<dave_> * export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH
23:01<dave_>to etch
23:02<dave_>someone know another
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23:04<kop>Laeborg : Your dns is borked.
23:04<Laeborg>how to fix it?
23:05<kop>Laeborg : (If you can ping, otherwise your network is unplugged.)
23:05<Laeborg>i am connected to the via ssh and nx
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23:07<kop>Okdoke. I want to run minicom on one of the linux consoles, say the ctrl-alt-f2 console. So, I put (2:23:respawn:/bin/bash -c '/usr/bin/minicom myconfig < /dev/tty2 > /dev/tty2' into /etc/inittab. But this does not seem entirely safe, in that it's running bash and so there's some anxity about exiting minicom and just being in bash. Is the fear justfied? Is there a better way?
23:07<kop>Laeborg : Are you running a local dns server (bind)?
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23:08<kop>Laeborg : Just to be clear, you type something like "ping" and it sits for 20 seconds or so and fails, right?
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23:09<chealer>dave_: what is your native language?
23:09<kop>Usually, when I'm afraid of bash I'll run perl in safe mode, but I don't really want to muck with writing a wrapper.
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23:11<dave_>chealer: do you understand the idea?
23:11<chealer>dave_: no
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23:12<brunner>Hi all
23:12<brunner>how can I make an external USB hard drive bootable?
23:12<guillaume>chealer: sid linux-ilmage-2.6.25-1.amd64
23:12<brunner>the OS doesn't matter
23:12<brunner>anything that's bootable
23:13<kop>I swear there was a perl man page with all the perl docs, but I can't find it.
23:13<chealer>guillaume: linux-image-2.6.25-1-amd64 had snd-hda-intel in it
23:14<kop>brunner : That's up to the bios of your machine. You put a boot sector in the MBR and fuss with the bios.
23:14<brunner>what's the fastest way to do that?
23:14<brunner>again, the OS doesn't matter
23:14<dave_>chealer: I want to set the jdk in etch, and install it and now I want to run my programs
23:14<brunner>I just need to turn the USB hard drive into something I can boot from
23:14<brunner>my BIOS supports it
23:15<kop>brunner : You want it to boot and be running _something_?
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23:15<brunner>just fast
23:16<adinsx>Just install an OS on the USB HD
23:16<adinsx>It's just like installing it on an internal HD
23:16<adinsx>I'm running Debian off of my external HD right now
23:17<kop>You could probably dd the memtest86+ executable right onto the raw device. Then booting from it would run memtest. (And your partition table and everything on the drive would be trash.)
23:17<chealer>dave_: do not send non-private messages in private without asking for permission first. I don't understand you anyway
23:18<brunner>there we go!
23:19<kop>brunner : Warning, I've not been able to figure out how to put a bootable partiton table onto a usb stick, after trashing the stick. I dunno what sort of problems an external hd might have once you trash the original partition table.
23:19<adinsx>Ah, I had probs with a USB stick too, but not an actual HD
23:20<kop>If anybody knows how to write a bootable partition table onto a stick I'd love to hear it.
23:20<kop>(Short of dd-ing another working partition table.)
23:20<adinsx>Well, mine was "bootable"
23:20<adinsx>It's just I couldn't get my initramfs right
23:20<adinsx>but ah well
23:20<kop>brunner: You could dd off what's already there and save it for later, just to be safe.
23:20<adinsx>I ended up using the stick for something else anyway
23:21<dave_>chealer: mmmm I expected to understand
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23:26*rrm is gone, autoaway/10m (l!on)
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23:29<chealer>!tell rrm about away
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23:31<adinsx>Ok so I've been helping hobo here set up his Broadcom wireless card for hours now, to no avail
23:32<adinsx>He's done the bcm43xx-fwcutter stuff
23:32<adinsx>Instructions ( here
23:33<adinsx>And his /etc/network/interfaces file is correct as far as i know
23:33<adinsx>I just can't for the life of me figure out whats wrong
23:33<adinsx>iwconfig shows the card
23:33<adinsx>But we can't scan for networks
23:34<adinsx>or do anything with it for that matter
23:34<adinsx>And we've done sudo ifup wlan0
23:34<adinsx>or w/e
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23:35<adinsx>I don't know, I'm not the most experienced when it comes to hardware configuration, but this is just weird
23:35<The_Hobo>yeah the thing's name is wlan0_renamed
23:35<pardon>hi. i'm trying to add a user from the console. adduser doesn't seem to work.
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23:36<adinsx>The renamed is there because we installed one set of firmware, then tried another
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23:36<adinsx>I believe
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23:37<adinsx>anyway, is there any simple explanation for this? Seeing the card, having the drivers installed, having interfaces set up correctly
23:37<qqsea>pardon: as root ?
23:39<qqsea>paste that error to
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23:44<chealer>adinsx: what happens when you try?
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23:44<adinsx>one second
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23:45<kop>pardon: you want useradd
23:46<hobo_hello>/etc/network/interfaces:1: misplaced option
23:46<hobo_hello>ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
23:46<evand>What happened to the xmms package?
23:46<adinsx>Wait, that's the error now?
23:46<hobo_hello>let me check
23:47<adinsx>Something is probably mistype in your interface file
23:47<hobo_hello>k so nano?
23:47<adinsx>Paste it to me in the pm window
23:47<qqsea>pardon: than add group test first
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23:50<pardon>groupadd: unable to open group shadow file
23:51<guillaume>chealer: thank you, I hadn't try to reinstall the linux-image as apt-file search didn't return a link for snd-hda-intel to me for 2.6.25. A nasty script from linuxant hsf modem driver has erased this module.
23:51<qqsea>pardon: ls /etc/ | grep shadow
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23:53<qqsea>pardon: give here the exact commande you use for adduser
23:53<pardon>gshadow, shadow,
23:53<pardon>adduser test
23:53<evand>My xmms fails to start, giving me Gdk errors. I was going to try upgrading it to testing, since most of the rest of my system is anyway, but I don't see a testing or unstable package for it. Anyone have suggestions?
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23:56<pardon>qqsea: is that the correct syntax
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23:56<chealer>evand: try another player
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23:57<evand>chealer: I liked xmms better than any I've tried so far.
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23:58<pardon>wah wah wah
23:59<guillaume>evand: i prefer amarok
23:59<qqsea>pardon: yes it is
23:59<evand>guillaume: ok, I'll try it out :)
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