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00:00<kop>pardon: You must be root.
00:00<guillaume>evand: it's better for use with mobile mp3 player, and has a great collection management function. Hope you'll like it :)
00:01<pardon>i am rooot
00:01<qqsea>paste all output of the commande , including the commade
00:02<evand>guillaume: Mostly my needs in a music player haven't changed since I started using xmms in... 1999? I like the look and feel, and want something that Jut Works (tm) without much extra cruft
00:03<pardon>kop: ^^
00:03<qqsea>paste all output of the commande , including the commade
00:04<qqsea>pardon: *all*
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00:05<pardon>i cant copy paste
00:05<qqsea>why ?
00:05<pardon>dunno. doesn't support it.
00:05<qqsea>use mouse copy/paste
00:05<pardon>no mouse. laptop mousepad
00:06<qqsea>pardon: ok
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00:07<qqsea>pardon: ls -l /etc/shadow
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00:10<evand>guillaume: Yeah, not quite what I'm looking for. I'd forgive the excessive memory usage, but I can't manage to get a compact layout out of it :/
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00:13<pardon>what did i miss?
00:13<qqsea>pardon: ls -l /etc/shadow
00:14<qqsea>paste here the output
00:14<pardon>there were three files
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00:15<qqsea>pardon: do that : ls -l /etc/shadow
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00:15<blarson>!tell pardon about enter
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00:20*evand despairs of finding a modern xmms clone
00:22<FabianoRS>good night!!
00:22<FabianoRS>have anybody frombrazil here?
00:23<qqsea>join /#debian-pt pls
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00:24<qqsea>* #debian-pt
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00:26<evand>ahh yes, thank you :)
00:27<qqsea>np evand
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00:32<Swords>There's this bug in libexiv2 0.10-1.5 from the etch repository that causes it to crash when trying to view a jpg without embedded thumbnail data, bringing down gwenview and konqueror with it when I try to browse photos. Is there any way I can patch it without upgrading my whole system?
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00:39<Chron>Swords read about /etc/apt/preferences
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00:42<Swords>Thanks for the advice Chron. Seems to be exactly what I was looking for.
00:42<debnoob>As you can probably tell from my nick, I am still a noob. and I was wondering if Icould pick your brain a bit
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00:45<debnoob>I am a lover of eye candy and was wondering about the windows manager in debian etch. am I correct toassume I am using metacity in gnome and in kde?
00:46<debnoob>and does the WM limit my ability to install some of those interesting themes I see on the KDE website?
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00:47<nevyn>debnoob: you're incorrect
00:47<nevyn>debnoob: kde will be using kwin almost certainly
00:48<debnoob>so when I installed KDE from synaptic it installed Kwin?
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00:48<debnoob>I did't notice.
00:49<debnoob>ah it did indeed.
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00:50<debnoob>ok well, that answers one question
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00:50<nevyn>debnoob: as long as the themes are kde3.5.9 themes and not kde4 themes then there should not be a problem.
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00:53<debnoob>As a lover of eyecandy I've been researching docks and had some difficulty with kxdocker so I have my eye on AWN which requires compositing support, is the base debian etch sufficient? I installed compiz from synaptic but have no idea how to use it
00:54<debnoob>swould you recommend I trycompiz-fusion?
00:54<valdyn>debnoob: no
00:54<debnoob>as in don't try compiz-fusion or the base etch with compiz is not enough
00:55<valdyn>debnoob: compiz-fusion is only plugins to compiz
00:56<debnoob>so compiz 2.2-1 is what I have installed.
00:56<valdyn>!info compiz etch
00:56<debnoob>and compiz-fusion is just additional plugins
00:56<debnoob>!info compiz etch
00:56<dpkg>compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB
00:56<dpkg>compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB
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01:06<debnoob>are there any neat effects that can be accomplished with compiz on it's own? I was trying o figure out how to configure it
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01:14<rrm>how can i configure my pcmcia orinoco wifi card?
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01:18<qqsea>rrm: da un google si citeste
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01:19<craigevil>!tell rrm about orinoco
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01:22<rrm>qqsea: did not find much info
01:23<rrm>on how to configure it... since i think is detected
01:23<qqsea>tell rrm about orinoco
01:23<qqsea>!tell rrm about orinoco
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01:26<rrm>qqsea: that did not help
01:26<rrm>i want to configure it, not install it
01:26<rrm>i bet it work
01:26<rrm>since it was detected even at installation
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01:28<qqsea>rrm: have to buy only wardware supported in linux
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01:33<debnoob>how can I tell if compiz is enabled in my debian etch
01:36<debnoob>can I use the lenny repo in etch?
01:36<qqsea> lenny is lenny , same to etch
01:37<jm_>debnoob: no
01:37<debnoob>so you're saying I can't add the lenny repo?
01:37<debnoob>or that it will change my istro to lenny
01:37<debnoob>I only want to add one package
01:38<debnoob>but it's only available in lenny
01:38<craigevil>better to look in backports or backport it yourself
01:38<jm_>yes, don't install lenny packages on etch
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01:38<debnoob>sorry too noob to understand backports
01:39<debnoob>no idea what a backport is
01:39<dpkg>well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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01:41<Slydder>morning all
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01:41<debnoob>hmmm. !simple sid backport
01:41<debnoob>!simple sid backport
01:41<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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01:43<debnoob>so if I want this okg I should perform an update of my packages to sid firt?
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01:43<craigevil>hell no not unless you know how to fix things when they break
01:43<craigevil>if you do sid is fun :)
01:43<debnoob>or will that just update the dependancies of the package to sid
01:44<debnoob>All I want to do is install AWN
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01:45<rrm>besides installing gnome... how can i get my pcmcia card to work with wifi?
01:46<widrones>rrm: Orinoco card / pcmcia? Whats the issue?
01:46<debnoob>craigevil not quite ready for sid
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01:47<widrones>I think orinoco was the first card I ever got working years ago, so maybe I remember my pcmcia days and I can help a bit
01:47<dondelelcaro>rrm: depends on the card
01:47<widrones>debnoob: Did you look over the awn pages debian section?
01:47<kop>How do you lobby to get a kernel module (already in the kernel) included in the debian kernel?
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01:48<debnoob>there is an orinoco driver online that supports a wide range of 802.x cards
01:48<widrones>rrm: what card? Tell me about your setup if you can.
01:50<debnoob>widrones I did and only saw lenny and sid instructions and an italian version
01:50<debnoob>I am looking at the instructions to compile my own now
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01:51<widrones>debnoob: Ah ok, just figured it may help if you hadent seen it. Im a console monkey, lost in fancy desktops sorry.
01:51<jm_>kop: it should come automatically with a new version
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01:53<debnoob>widrones it looks complicated but I hope it works. my last w experiences were not too great
01:54<widrones>On the topic of memory constrained devices, any good "Must read" articles anybody wants to share?
01:54<sworoc>anybody up for solving some weird nvidia behavior right now?
01:54<debnoob>fortunately they have a comprehensive list of dependancies, why don't all apps have this kingd of list. would make things much easier
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01:56<nazrth>any one here know how to get a ms zune to work under bed?
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01:56<nazrth>deb lol sorry
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02:02<kop>jm_ : I want support for Digi Edgeport usb to RS-232 converters. They're in the kernel but there's no modules in the Debian kernel.
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02:03<kop>jm_ : I need to rebuild the kernel if I want the modules. This is a pain.
02:06<debnoob>widrones I got a problem, it appers I need libgtk2.0-0 version 2.10 as a minimum to install AWN. I only have 2.8.20... what do I do in this instance?
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02:09<debnoob>his is the problem I am always facing when I want to install anything. I don't know how to deal with this. are there issues I should consider before upgrading it?
02:09<jm_>kop: perhaps they are only available in a newer kernel? or is it a license issue?
02:09<widrones>debnoob: Upgrade it? But really, bleeding edge like that. Im not even going to give you advice, not my area at all :)
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02:11<debnoob>this is what I don't get... with windows, this decision was always an easy one. on Debian I hear terms lik bleeding edge and have no clue how to react. Is there someplace I can get information on what is ok to update and what is not?
02:12<debnoob>All I want to do is install a simple dock
02:13<debnoob>I run into this question every time I choose to install virtually anything on my debian box. I need some advice.
02:13<debnoob>BRB need to get more smokes
02:15<widrones>debnoob: Stable stuff is often stable since alot of people tested it and tried it, but sometimes that makes it "old". Being up there in progress with the people writing the code every day brings you into "incompatible lands" wery fast if new to it.
02:16<widrones>debnoob: Its a great learning ride thu, but living in the lastest/greatest/newest land of code will break your system numerous times before you get the hang of it =P
02:17<simonrvn>stable is the current release. it's meant to be stable.
02:18<widrones>newer learned so much about debian in sutch a short time as when running sid, but for me a stable enviroment wins my time these days
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02:22<debnoob>I think I get you now
02:23<widrones>debnoob: A simple dock? Isnt there a buzillion dock apps packaged in debian? I think you want some newest/latest spesific dock app, no? :)
02:23<debnoob>but how do I know if I'm treading in dangerous waters. can't I just dip into a little lenny to satisfy my dependencies?
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02:24<widrones>And my point being that that sometimes breaks everything else, unless you give the "gardeners" time to sort it all out. Either that or its spending all that time yourself, trying to make all the versions match.
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02:25<debnoob>If there are a zillion dock aps in debian I wish someone would point them out. I'm sufering from a lack of documentation... I can't seem to find any dock that tells me about the apps in debian short of googling each one by nam
02:26<widrones> is not getting you anywhere either? Least thats sorted by vauge categories
02:26<debnoob>as for the apt I want, it's AWN 0.2.1, thats the ver they recommend so I assumed it was stable enough
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02:27<debnoob>they did releas 0.2.6
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02:28<Guest3581>New to linuxmint, was wondering if anyone had any help with installation. Thank you
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02:29<widrones>debnoob: Releasing one stable app and integrating that app in a stable framework is two different things thu.
02:29<widrones>debnoob: again speaking generally, I have no idea what this awt stuff is. First time I heard of it was from you, so version numbers tell me nothing really.
02:30<dpkg>if you have a question, don't ask "does anybody know about foo", don't ask if you can ask it... just ask it.. if somebody knows, they'll answer :) Just don't repeat your question
02:31<widrones>Guest3581: There may be some, people often are better at answering a spesific problem.
02:31<debnoob>If I understand correctly, updaating one lib might require me to make other changes to remain stable , what if I confirmed the dependancies of that lib,
02:32<Guest3581>Trying to install LinuxMint, and there is no install icon on the desktop. Any have any advice/help?
02:32<debnoob>AVN Avant Window Navigator
02:32<debnoob>it's a macX style dock
02:33<widrones>debnoob: You may get into a spiral of dependencie upgrades I think yes, that the nice stuff apt takes care of for you. Research before you start upgrading stuff would be my advice.
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02:33<widrones>debnoob: Then again I broke my test install more times then I care to talk about... :)
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02:35<widrones>Guest3581: Maybe you did not download it to the desktop. And why are you looking for a icon if you let the debian package manager take care of it? (This is a trick question btw)
02:35<jm_>Guest3581: you shoukd ask in LinuxMint support channel, this is for Debian only
02:36<Guest3581>trick question?
02:37<widrones>Guest3581: LinuxMint is not in Debian is it? Not packaged so you are installing it with some installer they made (and support).
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02:39<zepard>hi people
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02:41<zepard>I just installed 2.6.25 on sid but the acpi doesn't seem to be at date with this kernel, is there a way to know the battery state for example in this case
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02:45<s_i_m>anybody experienced having free time: try building libx11 from source in sid. it builds and installs but after this any X app returns "cannot open display" error.
02:45<s_i_m>tried in pbuilder as well as on my current lenny system.
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02:47<debnoob>Guest3581 all your questions will be answered on the mint website. check out this page.
02:47<s_i_m>is there a channel on X packages in Debian?
02:48<simonrvn>s_i_m: just ask your question
02:49<debnoob>linuxmint actually looks kinda nice and aleady has my eyecandy built in
02:49<s_i_m>simonrvn, thanks =) asked above.
02:50<simonrvn>i don't think it has to do with your build... check the log
02:50<s_i_m>X log?
02:50<s_i_m>X session log?
02:51<s_i_m>x-terminal-emulator Xt error: Can't open display: :0
02:51<s_i_m>(xchat:2472): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
02:52<s_i_m>nothing related in the X server's log
02:52<simonrvn>besides, why are you building that from source?
02:52<simonrvn>try not running as root ;)
02:53<s_i_m>simonrvn, applying my own patches for cp866 support.
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02:53<simonrvn>you building it with the debian stuff i hope.
02:53<s_i_m>yes, of course
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02:56<zepard>when the acpi support is added to a new kernel?
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03:01<jm_>s_i_m: is your X server listening on that then?
03:01<jm_>zepard: what do you mean?
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03:01<s_i_m>jm_, yes
03:01<jm_>s_i_m: surely it should say something more
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03:02<jm_>s_i_m: does it work if you try to use tcp/ip connection?
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03:02<zepard>acpi doesn't work on sid 2.6.25 (for me) what can be the problem acpi not adjudted yet to the new kernel?
03:03<jm_>did you load relevant ACPI modules? find out what kernel says
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03:04<zepard>i didn't load anything manually! but it works fine on 2.6.24. should I do something special?
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03:04<s_i_m>jm_, it says only that. Not tested with tcp/ip, will try. Reverting back to the older build which is in the repo immediately solves the problem. It is something related to the newer libraries libx11 depends on, IMO.
03:04<crazyfrog>my /usr/share/man/man2 is almost empty,containing only the intro.2.gz.that is why?have i missed some packages?
03:05<crazyfrog>my /usr/share/man/man2 is almost empty,containing only the intro.2.gz.that is why?have i missed some packages?
03:05<jm_>s_i_m: starce it and compare
03:05<jm_>crazyfrog: obviously
03:06<s_i_m>jm_, you mean strace? good point.
03:06<jm_>s_i_m: yes ;)
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03:06<crazyfrog>jm_:obviously what?
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03:07<zepard>jm_, I should watch battery state because my laptop has some problems with power connector
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03:09<crazyfrog>jm_:i do not understand what you mean.
03:10<jm_>crazyfrog: yes, you have obviously not installed packages that provide those man pages
03:10<jm_>zepard: does it work with previous kernels?
03:10<zepard>jm_, it works on 2.6.24
03:10<zepard>jm_, I'm on it now
03:11<jm_>zepard: compare dmesg output on both then
03:11<zepard>jm_, yes that's what i am doing now I 'll see somthing you think?
03:11<crazyfrog>jm_:thanks,but man 1 work well,
03:11<jm_>crazyfrog: yes, install manpages-dev
03:12<zepard>jm_, it was the same with 2.6.24 when I moved from 2.6.23
03:12<jm_>zepard: how did you solve it back then?
03:12<zepard>jm_, didn't
03:12<jm_>zepard: so you ar esaying it never worked?
03:12<zepard>it works after a while
03:13<jm_>define "after a while"
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03:13<Slydder>hey all. how would one go about getting in touch with a package maintainer?
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03:14<widrones>Slydder: Mail should work really.
03:14<zepard>jm_, I say that it doesn't work immediatly when it is istalled (released in sid), but "a while" (don't remember how much time) it acpi works
03:14<zepard>jm_, maybe the acpi module is built agaisnt new kernel a bit later?
03:15<zepard>jm_, I don't know
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03:17<Slydder>the jpgraph package needs updating in a major way. was wondering how to get in contact with the maintainer to see if he needs help and if so if he could explain to me how to build a deb. have never built one before and the docs on the debian site are pretty convoluted.
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03:18<widrones>Slydder: libphp-jpgraph ?
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03:19<widrones> should take you a long way into building packages I seem to remember.
03:19<Slydder>the OS-SIM project is trying to phase out php4 support but to do so means that debian needs a libphp5-jpgraph package.
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03:20<widrones>Dunno if mailing a "random" debian developer to ask for 1-on-1 help is considered "being nice" either.
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03:20<Slydder>even if we have to offer it for download before it is actually accepted by the maintainer.
03:20<jm_>zepard: no, it's part of the kernel
03:20<widrones>Slydder: Ah, starting to make sence now. Thats why you are after the packager ;)
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03:21<Slydder>yeah. don't really want to be rude but I am tired of coding for 2 versions of php. would like to just drop 4 altogether.
03:21<Slydder>and this is the only thing stopping us from dropping 4
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03:22<widrones>Slydder: Guessing you found that, but there is contact info.
03:22<Slydder>and the last update was in 2006 so am starting to wonder if the guy is even alive and if so if he is even using debian still.
03:23<zepard>jm_, humm
03:24<s_i_m>jm_, very interesting. It works by TCP/IP (removed -nolisten tcp, DISPLAY=localhost:0.0)
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03:24<s_i_m>what can it be?
03:26<s_i_m>will try with strace...
03:26<widrones>Slydder: Appendix B in the policy manual gives a short overview on the package process. But Im looking for that short/sweet sheet I used once to build a tiny app.
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03:26<Slydder>widrones: that would be seriously cool of you.
03:27<Slydder>widrones: if I were a woman I could almost be tempted. ;)
03:27<widrones>Slydder: But if this is a project of some size/usermass, Id be sure to do it properly. Maybe the package needs to be adopted by another maintainer too.
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03:28<Slydder>as it looks atm it needs a maintainer and we could take that role if needed.
03:28<Slydder>i just don't know how to build the packaage. lol
03:28<jm_>s_i_m: strace it
03:28<widrones>Slydder: reads almost like a walkthru on making packages. Think that is what i used, but you need a deb-maintainer (or something) to get it into the repos etc.
03:29<Slydder>am gonna set up a small deb site on our servers here until it gets accepted. that way our users can apt-get install it when needed. will try and contact a maintainer to get it updated once I can get a good package built.
03:30<widrones>Slydder: Once you get the small ammount of control files and stuff set up, its a walk in the park :)
03:31<Slydder>widrones: roger. but be advised. my intent is to rape your mind here shortly of anything useful. ;) lol
03:31<widrones>Slydder: Notice me saying that if you do it properly the first time, all later updates are very fast to make =P
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03:32<widrones>Longum iter est per preaecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!
03:32<Slydder>learn by example?
03:33<widrones>Its one of the first things in the guide. Its one of them!
03:34<zepard>jm_, it's bizar. dmesg says that ac-adapter is online
03:34<widrones>Its a good blend of the boring yet important framework stuff, with a good part of learning by doing. Have some code and read/do thru that and you got a package by the end of it.
03:34<zepard>jm_, but acpi returns no battery support, ac-adapter neither
03:35<Slydder>just extracted the source of jpgraph2 wish me luck
03:35<jm_>zepard: did you check /proc/acpi?
03:35<widrones>Slydder: Ill go hide in the kitchen with my breakfast, hehe. Good luck!
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03:35<Slydder>lol. thanks a lot for the vote of confidence. lol
03:36<zepard>jm_, not yet
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03:39<zepard>jm_, termal and other stuff are present, but don't remember if battery should exist or not, actually it is not present, and power_resource is empty
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03:39<jm_>zepard: is the module loaded?
03:40<Slydder>widrones: LOL!!! this is too easy. I don't even have to build/compile a program. it's just a bunch of files that need to be copied over.
03:40<zepard>humm which one, if acpi I think yes because the cpu informations are ok with acpi , it's only the battery
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03:40<zepard>and ac-adapter
03:40<widrones>Slydder: In your case, mail the maintainer. He may want to help/sponsor the package. Like you build, he quaality control and upload.
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03:41<jm_>zepard: please prefix messages for me with jm_ -- battery module
03:41<zepard>jm_, ok
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03:43<zepard>jm_ -- battery module, is there a battery module independent from acpi
03:43<zepard>jm_ -- battery module, or is it a whole thing
03:43<widrones>Slydder: With all the files set correct, the building is supposed to be handeled by the builder backend so all kinds of arches gets their binarys. But you will get to the local building part eventually.
03:44<widrones>Slydder: Guessing you only plan on offering i386 versions :)
03:45<widrones>Slydder: But that is one of the really sweet things about debian in my eyes, once the software is in the repos it does not matter what arch you end up on.
03:45<Slydder>it's doesn't matter if 386 or what. they are php files that are copied over. so all you have to do is release an _all package
03:45<Slydder>the paths stay the same.
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03:45<zepard>jm_ -- battery module, what I don't understand is that dmesg says that ac-adapter is online via acpi log, and acpitool says nothing on terminal
03:45<widrones>Slydder: Ah ofc, silly me. Its all php, sorry I live in a multi arch world ;)
03:46<Slydder>me too normally. that's why i was so surprised to see a pack of php files.
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03:47<Slydder>am trying to unpack the php4 version of the package to see how it's put together but can't seem to get dpkg to unpack it.
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03:49<blarson>Slydder: You could use ar and tar to unpack.
03:49<Slydder>got it
03:50<jm_>zepard: modprobe battery
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03:52<zepard>jm_ -- battery module,
03:52<zepard>jm_ -- battery module, done
03:53<zepard>jm_ -- battery module, still not supported
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03:54<jm_>zepard: who says it's not supported?
03:55<zepard>jm_ -- battery module, acpi --> No support for device type: battery
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04:00<jm_>zepard: is this a laptop?
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04:01<widrones>Slydder: 2006 timestamped event: Non-Maintainer upload with maintainer consent. (libphp-jpgraph) so he seems to be liable to do that atleast, may be a start there
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04:01<Slydder>widrones: saw that
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04:02<zepard>jm_ -- battery module, yes
04:02<jm_>zepard: no, if the computer you are doing this on is a laptop?
04:02<widrones>Slydder: php5-gd is almost the same, but not quite or?
04:03<Slydder>not quite. but am already on it. should be done in about a half hour
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04:03<zepard>jm_ -- battery module, yes it's a laptop
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04:04<widrones>Just realised I have no debian machines online atm, the horror!
04:04<jm_>zepard: well in that case you'd probably want to enable ACPI debugging if it's not enabled already
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04:05<zepard>jm_ -- battery module, no it's not enabled (if it's default), how to do this?
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04:07<jm_>zepard: blah I just realised this, you can only type "jm_:", no need to type all that, sorry :)
04:07<jm_>zepard: grep ACPI_DEBUG /boot/config-$(uname -r)
04:07<zepard>jm_, :)
04:08<zepard>jm_, it's not set
04:08<jm_>zepard: did you ever try windows on it?
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04:09<zepard>jm_, hu ????????
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04:09<jm_>zepard: do you have windows installed on this laptop?
04:09<zepard>jm_, had when baught it, no more now
04:10<zepard>jm_, but why, it wirks fine in 2.6.24. so ...
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04:10<zepard>jm_, why to check windows
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04:12<jm_>zepard: well enabling ACPI debug might reveal some more info
04:12<s_i_m>jm_, straced it. The difference is in the addrlen arg of connect() call. Looks like a bug:
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04:12<s_i_m>connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@/tmp/.X11-unix/X0}, 20) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)
04:13<s_i_m>connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/.X11-unix/X0"}, 19) = 0
04:13<jm_>s_i_m: no, connection refused means it's not listening
04:13<zepard>jm_, ok, how do you do that dear jm_ :)
04:13<jm_>zepard: well you'd have to recompile the kernel
04:13<s_i_m>jm_, compare two lines.
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04:13<jm_>s_i_m: yes, because it has extra @ -- addreln is not the problem, path is
04:14<jm_>s_i_m: @ is the one where it fails, right?
04:14<s_i_m>oh, i see =) did not notice that thing =))
04:14<jm_>s_i_m: on the other hand, why does strace not print it in "" ?
04:15<s_i_m>i do not know strace internals
04:15<s_i_m>is it a string at all?
04:15<zepard>jm_, :/
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04:15<zepard>jm_, recompile? no option issue for this
04:16<jm_>s_i_m: it is
04:16<jm_>zepard: why not?
04:16<jm_>s_i_m: what is your $DISPLAY set to with new one?
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04:17<s_i_m>jm_, DISPLAY=:0.0 in both cases.
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04:18<debnoob>ACK, installing apps in Deb is a full time research project
04:18<zepard>jm_, 2 reasons: 1. it'll my first kernel compiling. 2.what to do if the problem is found and the 2.6.26 is out, recompile too?
04:19<jm_>zepard: it's pretty simple with debian kernels, requires just one change only
04:19<zepard>jm_, ok any manual to recompile a debian kernel
04:19<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just
04:19<jm_>zepard: ^^^^^^
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04:19<zepard>jm_, here I go
04:19<jm_>s_i_m: ok so the part where it should construct a socket from display name broke
04:20<s_i_m>yep, seems so.
04:20<jm_>zepard: so once you have that, you apply debian kernel config if not done so alreayd and then enable CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG
04:20<jm_>shouldn't be hard to find
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04:21<s_i_m>jm_, by the way, does "@" have special meaning in strace?
04:21<jm_>s_i_m: hmm I don't know, it might mean something, but I have never seen so far (but I haven't really straced apps using PF_UNIX sockets a lot)
04:21<s_i_m>or is it a part of the string?
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04:22<jm_>XtransConnInfo _X11TransConnectDisplay(...) does the job
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04:23<jm_>find a change in there
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04:31<zepard>jm_, whereis the kernel-package to unpack ?
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04:34<jm_>zepard: cd /usr/src
04:34<jm_>zepard: kernel-package is just a tool to build a deb, you need kernel source too
04:36<zepard>jm_, hum
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04:37<zepard>jm_, you mean headers?
04:37<jm_>zepard: no
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04:38<zepard>jm_, ok
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04:45<Slydder>hey all. am moving some software from php4 to php5. it's being hosted on a debian server and currently requires the php4-xslt module. however, there is no php5-xslt package available in debian. is this because this is now somehow included in php5?
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04:51<knoppix_>dzien dobry
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04:52<Guest3589>do you speak polish?
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04:53<Guest3589>how instalation programs for debian?
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04:55<s_i_m>jm_, downgraded xtrans-dev to 1.0.4-1 and rebuilt libx11. Works now!
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04:55<dpkg>pl is probably perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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04:57<jm_>s_i_m: heh
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04:57<jm_>s_i_m: BTS time!
04:57<s_i_m>yes =)
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05:04<zepard>jm_, I think I found the problem but should be checked
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05:05<zepard>jm_, in the configuration file of 25 : ACPI_PROCFS_POWER is not set but it is set to y in 24 kernel
05:06<zepard>jm_, what is the m option in kernel configuration file
05:07<jm_>zepard: module
05:07<zepard>jm_, ?
05:08<zepard>jm_, what does it mean
05:08<jm_>zepard: that option is deprecated
05:08<jm_>zepard: build as module
05:09<zepard>jm_, if I answer y it will be part of the kernel
05:09<jm_>zepard: yes
05:09<jm_>zepard: might be the apps need updating too :)
05:10<zepard>jm_, I updated all apps
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05:10<jm_>zepard: yeah maybe they need updating upstream, or new versions packaged
05:11<zepard>jm_, updating upstream?
05:11<zepard>jm_, in acpi I have no choice of versions in update
05:12<jm_>zepard: like I said, maybe it needs packaging, or maybe it's not done yet at all
05:12<zepard>jm_, ok
05:12<zepard>jm_, I see now
05:13<jm_>zepard: so just rebuild it with that option and try again
05:13<zepard>jm_, that option ? you mean debug or procfs_power
05:14<jm_>zepard: the latter
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05:20<zepard>jm_, a question. the readme says that make gconfig may be ok but the entry is not in the make file. do you know why?
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05:26<Slydder>am trying to build a a small package (just for dev use atm) and tried using dpkg-buildpackage but it throws me an error about not being able to find a debian/changelog file. do I really need this file as I am not going to distribute the package it's for personal use.
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05:27<jm_>Slydder: yes
05:28<Slydder>damn. where can i find info on what format it should be in and what should actually be there?
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05:29<jm_>uhm man debchange
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05:41<zepard>jm_, ok if m is specified for 'alpha' than then 'alpha' will be loaded automatically on boot if installed ? or is there a tricky thing
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05:45<zepard>jm_, I think my battery is realy low in the middle of compiling AAAHHHHHH
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05:45<jm_>zepard: not necessarily, you can tell it to load modules -- man modules
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05:46<zepard>jm_, my laptop will shutdown soon :), ac adaptor sucks
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05:51<seanius>Slydder: php5-xsl?
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05:51<Slydder>already found it. thanks though.
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06:07<Slydder>ok all. am now at the point where i need to build my debian package. the problem is that there is NO binaries (all scripts) and so does not need to be compiled. however, dpkg-buildpackage won't build the package because it says I need at least 1 binary file. how can I do this? have yet to find anything in google. still looking though. thanks.
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06:11<jm_>simply don't run build step if it's not needed
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08:12<yaiba>hello every body
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08:14<yaiba>is someone can help ? i have a probleme with compiz fusion
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08:15<s_i_m>yaiba, describe your problem
08:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
08:16<yaiba>compiz work fine but when i play a video xorg user 100% of the cpu in fullscreen
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08:16<yaiba>i've never seen this probleme before...
08:16<ranix>yaiba: xorg is actually using 100% as reported by top?
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08:17<yaiba>just when i play a movie
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08:17<ranix>^as reported by top
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08:17<ranix>as in are you sure it's xorg using all that cpu
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08:18<ranix>yaiba: what video driver
08:19<AzzurraCGI072>ciao a tutti
08:19<ranix>is that a driver?
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08:20<ranix>if it is, I don't think it's hardware accelerated
08:20<yaiba>but it's just when i have compiz
08:20<ranix>yaiba: what's the output of glxinfo
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08:21<ranix>message it to me or pastebin it
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08:27<ranix>if yaiba comes back tell him his graphics card cannot run compiz
08:28<ranix>and it's amazing it even has opengl support at all
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08:30<manuel>can someone help me getting my webcam to work?
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08:35<jm_>so impatient
08:35<ranix>I did not want to help him get his webcam to work
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08:36<ranix>I am a bad person
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08:44<Slydder>widrones: you there? I got the packages built
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08:44<Slydder>and they work perfectly.
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08:45<Slydder>now just have to get in contact with the maintainer to get it updated.
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09:28<Ikarus>anyone know the best tool tie automatic dhclient running to mii connected detection ?
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09:50<eternalswd>how do I finish off installing a custom kernel? In testing, there is no mkinitrd installed and no initrd-tools package that can be installed.
09:50<themill>Ikarus: ifplugd is designed for that. You can couple it with guessnet for detection of which network you are actually connected to.
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09:51<Ikarus>themill: all nets use dhcp
09:51<themill>Ikarus: In which case ifplugd on its own then
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09:58<Ikarus>themill: can it also spot wireless connections coming up and auto dhclient connecting those ?
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10:01<themill>Ikarus: yes, although I'd be tempted to just use networkmanager for that. Actually, I *do* just use networkmanager for that :)
10:01<Ikarus>themill: networkmanager, hmz, not really my thing, too gui oriented imo
10:02<themill>meh... I'm not interested in editing config files or futzing with iwconfig when I'm at an internet cafe or whatever.
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10:24<pleb2>Hey guys, Is it possible to assign a single threaded process to a physical processor???
10:25<pleb2>My machine has 2 x 2.8ghz xeon's
10:25<rostedt>pleb2: yes
10:25<rostedt>pleb2: man taskset
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10:27<pleb2>:) Thanks rostedt, i shalt read away :)
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10:28<pleb2>Am i correct in thinking that if i assign a single threaded process to one processor, and it hogs resources, it will max it out, leaving the other processor free.
10:28<pleb2>also will linux know to use the other processor for other process's?
10:28<rostedt>depending on which version of linux you have
10:28<rostedt>different things will happen
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10:28<rostedt>pleb2: show me the output of "uname -r"
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10:29<weasel>a singled threaded process will never use more than one cpu.
10:29<rostedt>weasel: unless it bounces around ;-)
10:29<rostedt>well, it wont hog all cpus at once
10:29<weasel>which it wouldn't under normal circumscances
10:29<pleb2>rostedt, i canrt, the server is down atm
10:29<rostedt>weasel: I've seen it happen quite a bit
10:30<rostedt>matters what else is running
10:30<pleb2>am i correct in thinking, that if i have a single threaded application, which hogs resources, which i dont assign to a processor, it will still only max out one?
10:30<rostedt>pleb2: it can only run on one cpu at a time
10:30<rostedt>which means the scheduler will put others on as well
10:30<rostedt>pleb2: is it an RT task?
10:30<rostedt>or is it just a normal task?
10:31<rostedt>because normal tasks will not starve out other tasks
10:31<rostedt>they will all get a "fair share" depending on which version of linux you have
10:31<pleb2>so, if i was to run two applications both heavy on resources, using around 70% of one processor, and i assign one to each of the processors, the applications will both run effiently, instead of fighting each other?
10:31<pleb2>rostedt i will renice -14 them
10:31<pleb2>so they are nasty app's
10:31<pleb2>but dont eat into system
10:32*rostedt is trying to remember which kernel CFS made it into
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10:32<rostedt>I'm thinking it was 2.6.22
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10:32<pleb2>the kernel is the latest one released for larry
10:32<pleb2>which i believe is 24?
10:32<rostedt>pleb2: hehe, doesn't help me much. I ususally compile my own kernels
10:33<pleb2>rostedt i believe its 2.6.24
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10:35<rostedt>pleb2: then that has a pretty decent scheduler
10:35<rostedt>although 2.6.25 has my rt schedule improvements in it ;-)
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10:38<rostedt>pleb2: you should be able to run a CPU hog program with 2.6.24 and still have a nice desktop experience
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10:39<rostedt>pleb2: are you experiencing problems with a single threaded task CPU hog?
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10:45<pleb2>the machine is a server, it has no X desktop as such
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10:45<pleb2>i have two - three high demand services which need to run on the machine
10:45<pleb2>and i wish them to not kill each other off.
10:45<pleb2>they need realtime access ;)
10:45<Menthol34>does someone speak poland ?
10:45<dpkg>i guess pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
10:46<dpkg>[polish] spoken in (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska ->
10:46<Menthol34>does someone speak polish ??
10:46<dpkg>from memory, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
10:46<rostedt>Menthol34: try
10:46<weasel>Menthol34: (on
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10:47<rostedt>Menthol34: /join
10:47<weasel>rostedt: lies.
10:47<ranix>I think hes got the idea guys
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10:48<rostedt>pleb2: man chrt
10:48<rostedt>pleb2: that way you can set real time priorities to other tasks
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10:48<rostedt>and they will preempt and run before everything else
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10:48<pleb2>will renice -18 not?
10:48<rostedt>but you need to be careful about what you give real time priorities
10:48<weasel>not that this is a good idea.
10:48<pleb2>i tend to set renice -14
10:48<weasel>you don't need to renice -18 your stupid gameservers
10:49<rostedt>matters what you are doing
10:49<ranix>what applications are you running here
10:49<ranix>need more input
10:49<rostedt>if they need real time performance, than you should set them to real time priorities
10:49<pleb2>gameservers ;P
10:49<ranix>what games
10:49<weasel>.oO( extreme sokoban )
10:49<rostedt>gameservers should never have rt priorities ;-)
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10:49<pleb2>hence re-nice
10:49<alfadir>any hits how to do multiple bugzilla dbs with one installation under debian. The PROJECT env var does not seem to work, although the Bugzilla Features for 2.22.1 sais it should be there..
10:50<pleb2>otherwise i wouldnt even be able to ssh in anymore :P
10:50<rostedt>pleb2: unless you make sshd a real time task ;-)
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10:50<ranix>game servers tend to process commands in buffer intervals, in the order in which they are received from clients
10:50*rostedt does this quite a bit
10:50<ranix>you don't need high priority on them at all
10:50<pleb2>for that reason?
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10:50<ranix>they are idle for a sufficiently long time
10:51<pleb2>ranix, the server will be hosting quite a few websites also
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10:51<pleb2>all that lark
10:51<ranix>if your web server is chowing CPU you have problems pleb2
10:51<pleb2>we dont want lag while someones ftp-ing
10:51<pleb2>ranix ... mysql :P
10:51<pleb2>php etc
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10:51<pleb2>dont be mean
10:51<weasel>pleb2: renice won't help you there
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10:52<ranix>IO is not something that renice can handle
10:52<weasel>renice doesn't help unless you're actually cpu bound
10:52<weasel>which I don't think you'd be
10:52<pleb2>weasel what do you mean?
10:52<rostedt>pleb2: try running your game server and watch how much cpu it takes in top
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10:52<pleb2>rostedt depends on many things
10:52<rodrigo>please! someone has worked with the switch dell?
10:53<pleb2>including tickrate, amount of players, fps rate, mods etc etc etc
10:53<rodrigo>power connect 5324
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10:54<ranix>pleb2: your game server is entirely bound in the northbridge (except for its network connectivity, but just pretend for a moment). You're processing small stacks of information very quickly. You're not calculating crazy stuff, you're swapping and altering ram. The most CPU intensive thing you do is calculate with sine or square route a float.
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10:55<ranix>pleb2: mysql is solely bound in disk IO. It's reading a lot of data from physical databases on the hard drive.
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10:55<ranix>pleb2: they will have very little impact on one another and if either of them use 100% CPU you have a problem
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10:56<pleb2>ranix, on a smaller machine which we used to test, things like writing and reading / accessing MYsql, had effects on the gameserver
10:56<pleb2>cmd rate and fps dropped
10:56<pleb2>this was a result of processor. re-nicing the process helped tones
10:57<pleb2>its understandable that in a bigger situation, with a multi-processor machine, with alot more power, but with many more websites + gameservers running, a similar result would occour?
10:57<ranix>pleb2: the first thing you have to do is identify the bottleneck. I don't understand how you could come to the conclusion that uploading something via FTP causes a processor bottleneck that slows your game server
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10:58<ranix>are you running it on a celeron with single channel ram or what
10:58<pleb2>dual xeon 533fsb
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10:58<pleb2>single core
10:59<ranix>pleb2: and you actually watched your processor hit 100% while mysql was reading?
11:00<pleb2>ranix the tests we perfomed were on a smaller machine, a 800mhz... i never said mysql hit 100%, but as the gameserver was using 70-80, it caused alot of lag
11:00<ranix>pleb2: a dual xeon is not an 800mhz AMD
11:00<pleb2>weve since used a pentium 4 dual core, and didnt have problems
11:00<ranix>you will not experience the same type of behaviourt
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11:01<pleb2>ranix I dont see where your going with this
11:01<ranix>pleb2: nevermind, have fun with renicing things that use 5% of your system resources
11:02<pleb2>1 x gameserver uses 60%+ of one processor when populated, I came to ask how to assign process's to a processor, would you not agree that two gameservers wanting 60% of One processor fighting over One processor would cause a problem?
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11:02<pleb2>ranix, im running the gameservers as a plebby user, a basic user.. It makes sense to re-nice them, as if someone else was to run anything which used processor, esp run as root, it would take away from the servers
11:03<pleb2>the question is
11:03<pleb2>why not re-nice them?
11:05<pleb2>rostedt: Thanks, i'll go read taskset
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11:11<schmichael>hi all, i'm on sid & have an intel 815 with a basically empty xorg.conf file. drawing in X/Gnome just seems really sluggish
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11:12<schmichael>could it be that X is trying to use opengl which the intel815 supports very very poorly?
11:12<ranix>schmichael: do you have the glx extension enabled, and are you using compositing?
11:13<schmichael>ranix: my xorg.conf has font paths and a DRI section to set the mode to 0666...
11:13<ranix>no Option "glx"
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11:14<schmichael>not explicitly but from my Xorg log file it looks like its being loaded
11:14<ranix>actually it would be Load "glx" in the modules section
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11:14<ranix>of xorg.conf
11:14<schmichael>it looks like xorg is just loading it by default: (II) LoadModule: "glx"
11:14<schmichael>(==) AIGLX enabled
11:15<ranix>that's bizarre, why would it do that
11:15<ranix>you probably hit the nail on the head with your diagnosis
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11:15<ranix>schmichael: none of that is specified in xorg.conf?
11:15<schmichael>oh i have a 910GL gfx card, sorry
11:15<schmichael>and xorg detects it as: (--) Chipset 915G found
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11:16<schmichael>ranix: nope, one sec i'll pastebin my xorg
11:16<schmichael>i could probably delete it altogether and not notice a difference
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11:18<schmichael>ranix: looks like EXA is enabled: (==) intel(0): Using EXA for acceleration
11:18<ranix>schmichael: DRI might have a different way of configuring itself than with xorg.conf
11:19<schmichael>ranix: i'm not sure what that means :-/
11:19<schmichael>last time i really played around with xorg was back in the day when you had to setup ModeLines yourself :)
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11:19<schmichael>all of this fancy glx,dri,drm stuff is over my head
11:19<dpkg>dri is probably Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok
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11:20<ranix>I don't know enough about it to help. I have an 865 myself, and I use the kernel framebuffer with fbcon
11:21<schmichael>ranix: does switching between virtual desktops go quickly for you?
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11:21<schmichael>firefox & epiphany probably take 1-2 seconds to render for me
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11:21<ranix>schmichael: yes, and firefox renders just fine
11:21<pleb2>schmichael, for me it depends if ive got my virtual machine open, and ive ran out of ram.
11:21<pleb2>are you running into swap?
11:22<ranix>schmichael: just have to pass the vga=foo option to the kernel, where vga is an option derived from hwinfo --framebuffer
11:22<schmichael>pleb2: nope, 0 swap used and still have 400mb of RAM just for buffers & cache
11:22<ranix>where foo is ^
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11:22<schmichael>ranix: so you just use plain old vga+framebuffer? no intel specific drivers or fancy exa/composite stuff?
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11:23<pleb2>Weasel are you about?, I have a question i want to get off my chest
11:23<ranix>schmichael: yep
11:23<ranix>schmichael: then again I don't use X much at home
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11:23<ranix>schmichael: just for when I need to open up a webpage while I'm doing something full screen on the other machine
11:23<ranix>I prefer the virtual terminal
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11:24<schmichael>ranix: ah, as a webdev X is pretty important to me :)
11:24<pleb2>schmichael, If i was you, I would try using a live CD like knoppix, seeing if there is a problem aslo in that ?? just an idea??
11:24<pleb2>also *
11:24<schmichael>pleb2: won't knoppix just autodetect the same settings my nearly-empty xorg.conf file does?
11:25<pleb2>not sure .... Thats why i'd try it ;)
11:25<pleb2>if it works faster running from a CD
11:25<schmichael>i also lack a cd burner, so messing with my xorg.conf is easier than booting a livecd :)
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11:25<schmichael>i'm not sure if i've used the cdrom on this computer since i installed debian...
11:25*pleb2 ponders how chmichael got linux on his machine in the first place
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11:26<schmichael>notes the 'since i installed debian' bit ;)
11:26<ranix>knoppix is a stupid idea, ignore it
11:27<pleb2>ranix ?
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11:27<ranix>the correct course of action is to find out why your xorg.conf is so small and to see if there's a correlation between that and DRI
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11:28<ranix>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg probably isn't a terrible idea
11:28<pleb2>not find a known good xorg.conf like one in knoppix if it works?
11:28<ranix>knoppix is not Debian
11:29<pleb2>Hey, cmon, i was trying to help out with a solution. Sorry if i dont know the de-facto Debian answer
11:29<schmichael>ranix: does this line from glxinfo mean anything useful? OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915G 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2
11:30<schmichael>the only DRI related error i see is that it can't find the file /etc/drirc
11:30<schmichael>which i think is optional anyway
11:31<schmichael>hm, my x log looks fine.
11:31<schmichael>i think the problem is that X is trying to use opengl acceleration on this card which is really slow
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11:34<bcochofel>Hi, what's the name of plan9port on sid? Is it 9base?
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11:40<hairi>hi.. anyone of you familiar with OS2?
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11:44<hairi>hi.. anyone of you familiar with OS2?
11:45<petemc>i know what it is, does that help?
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11:46<hairi>where can i get virtual ripl boot disk
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11:46<rostedt>hairi: wow! a blast for the past
11:47<petemc>hairi: this is a debian support channel, sounds like what you need is a search engine
11:47<petemc>i recommend google
11:48<hairi>thanks.. getting tired searching.. lol
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11:49<eheil> hey guys. I've heard that Lenny will drop support for Sparc. What's the best way after which to keep my Sun systems up to date?
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11:53<pleb2>eheil :\ sorry everyone seems to have gone to sleep, and im a newb :P
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11:59<fsck-php5>I could really do with a copy of the dotdeb 5.2.5 deb files ..... my backup plans needed checking before I upgraded to 5.2.6 not afterwards.....
12:00<fsck-php5>By the way - don't do dotdeb Sarge 5.2.6 if you need libapache2-mod-php5 to work afterwards....
12:01<themill>fsck-php5: The usual advice you'll get here is "don't use debs"
12:01<themill>dpkg: dotdeb
12:01<dpkg>dotdeb is probably for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from ask me about <backports> and <>
12:01<fxiny>and let sarge sleep :P
12:02<themill>!tell fsck-php5 about sarge->etch
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12:05<fsck-php5>themill: kind of like a drug --- but yes Etch upgrade is planned - but it is getting kind of complicated... I was hoping to get a new box, and upgrade this one by moving stuff across....
12:05<themill>fsck-php5: these things are best planned early.... the end date for sarge has been well known for 12 months now ;)
12:06<fsck-php5>themill: it was planned early -- it is the time for executing it that is tricky ;)
12:06<themill>fsck-php5: heh... I know what you mean.
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12:07<fsck-php5>themill: somewhere I have a detailed note about the Postfix and Dovecot changes I need to make when I do the upgrade... but I think now the MySQL version is in advance of Etch, so I need to dump and restore databases etc etc... All this and they won't want it down for more than an hour (hahaha).
12:08<pleb2>Im off, Thanks all for your help, Perticular thanks to Rostedt + Weasel :) Laters all!
12:08<themill>fsck-php5: you can always pick up selected things from if you want. That's a reasonable compromise for selected packages. Although for something like mysql you are unlikely to be using features from the newer version anyway so a dump+restore might actually be a better approach.
12:08<rostedt>pleb2: np
12:09<fsck-php5>For what it worth the mod-php5 segfaults on start-up. I know Gui doesn't have a Sarge box for testing, so I'm trying a build from source for php5 and friends.
12:09<pleb2>rostedt: look forward to the improved scheduler, when it makes its way down to lenny ;)
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12:10<fsck-php5>themill: definitely not using advanced MySQL features, but that doesn't make the upgrade any easier - we seemed to have gained a huge Perl application since I upgrade the test server to Etch.
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12:11<themill>fsck-php5: the sarge->etch jump in perl isn't that big (5.8.4 to 5.8.8) so it might not be that horrible
12:14<fsck-php5>themill: Trust me I've had to install this app on Etch and Sarge -- Etch is easier.... If I knew more I'd have been packaging half of CPAN for the CPAN->deb project. Did I say it was huge ;) Actually the Perl thing isn't that bad, but I used CPAN, and it will take several hours for CPAN to sort all the modules not yet packaged in Etch 8(
12:15<themill>fsck-php5: are you using dh-make-perl?
12:18<fsck-php5>themill: no - I looked at various Perl to Deb stuff and stuck with CPAN - the devil you know...
12:20<themill>fsck-php5: dh-make-perl can be used as a wrapper around cpan for downloading and installing the modules. It has the added advantage of using the same naming system as debian does for the modules so you can automatically upgrade to the debian versions of packages for lenny or lenny+1 etc. Additionally, it creates a deb that you can take to another machine or put into a local repo for use site-wide.
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12:29<fsck-php5>themill: I think you've just made my upgrade plans harder -- on the other hand it sucks that Perl modules are the only thing we have on the test server that isn't from Debs.
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12:30<themill>fsck-php5: sorry, I think :) dh-make-perl isn't that hard to drive though...
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12:32<yang>Which bot software uses dpkg ?
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12:33<themill>dpkg: what are you
12:33<dpkg>I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
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12:40<simonrvn>that should be infobot
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12:41<meglaw>wpa + madwifi + wpasuppliant... help? ;)
12:41<themill>simonrvn: isn't it an interesting mishmash of both at the moment? or have all of don's changes made it back into the remerged infobot project?
12:41<simonrvn>!what are you =~ s,bloot,info,g
12:41<dpkg>OK, simonrvn
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12:41<simonrvn>most of them have yes, dpkg is a branch
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12:51<riccardo>ragazzi mi servirebbe una mano, chi è pratico di gnome multi terminal ?
12:52<riccardo>hello guy, anyone can support me with configuration of gnome multi terminal ?
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12:53<NinjaMan>what do you want to know riccardo
12:53<riccardo>i have a server farm cisco and i would know if possible to set up a script that login me in ssh session
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12:54<riccardo>at startup to manage all router togheter
12:55<riccardo>like this for SYSTEM in `cat /home/$USERNAME/SystemList/$1`
12:55<riccardo>multi-gnome-terminal --add-tab --tname=$SYSTEM --tcommand="ssh $USERNAME@$SYSTEM
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12:55<themill>!tell riccardo about paste
12:56<NinjaMan>riccardo: what error do you get with that command?
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13:08<Cyorxamp>Hi folks, I just put a new gigabit NIC in my PC (want to use this instead of the 10/100mbps one onboard), it's linux compatible but debian doesn't 'pick it up' - I don't see it in ifconfig
13:08<Cyorxamp>Am I missing something to make debian look at it?
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13:09<p_quarles>Cyorxamp, does it show up in lspci?
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13:12<dooglus>is there some package available that will let me create a virtual v4l (webcam) device showing static images and showing my desktop?
13:12<uchiha>puta q pariu
13:13<uchiha>ningue, nessa porra
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13:20<gatocaradepez>I can't install debian in my PC with windows XP and Ubuntu 7.10. First, the installer crashes at a point (something with acpi and root bridge). If I do it with install acpi=off, it starts but the installer doesn't recognise my DVD unit.
13:20<meglaw>wpa + madwifi + wpasuppliant... help? ;)
13:21<gatocaradepez>I did a debootstrap installation but I got not so good results
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13:21<gatocaradepez>could someone help me?
13:22<gatocaradepez>I don't have an internet connection at home and I am trying to install etch
13:22<gatocaradepez>with the 3 DVDs
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13:26<rostedt>meglaw: what do you need?
13:26*rostedt struggled with his setup, but has it working none the less
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13:26<Cyorxamp>p_quarles: yes
13:27<rostedt>gatocaradepez: what do you need?
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13:28<p_quarles>Cyorxamp, that's encouraging -- can you (install and) run lshw? that may tell you more about the state of the card
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13:30<Cyorxamp>p_quarles: well I've no networking :P I disabled the onboard
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13:32<dooglus>is there some package available that will let me create a virtual v4l (webcam) device showing static images and showing my desktop?
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13:38<parmon>is there a kde specific help/support channel?
13:38<Laeborg`>hmm have some problems with my NTFS discs
13:39<Laeborg`>all folders, files ect with æ, ø or å in the name i gone (or i can't see them)
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13:40<Cyorxamp>p_quarles - ok I'm back, sorry for the disconnects
13:40<Cyorxamp>I haven't really done anything yet but lspci
13:40<p_quarles>Cyorxamp, I wouldn't know what to suggest beyond running lshw
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13:41<Cyorxamp>Theres a linux driver I can download, but was hoping debian would 'just use it' - like it would if I reinstalled (which I don't want to do)
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13:41<Cyorxamp>apparently its a sk98lin type NIC, that the module name
13:41<p_quarles>that will tell you if its unclaimed (=high probability of kernel problem) or not (=more likely just a config error)
13:42<p_quarles>Cyorxamp, it wouldn't require reinstalling the sytem, just getting a new kernel
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13:47<Cyorxamp>p_quarles: lshw shows its just disabled
13:47<Cyorxamp>but everything else looks normal, lists all its capabilities
13:47<p_quarles>Cyorxamp, does it give you a device name?
13:47<Laeborg`>any programs i can use, for hear any radio stream?
13:47<Cyorxamp>you mean.... network:1 ?
13:47<p_quarles>Cyorxamp, should be something like "eth1"
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13:48<Cyorxamp>oh yeah sure
13:48<Cyorxamp>DO'H i know whats wrong
13:48<Cyorxamp>its just not in my interfaces is it?
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13:48<Cyorxamp>no hang on, when the onboard was disabled then this would have been eth0 and the interfaces file should have used it
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13:49<p_quarles>Cyorxamp, it's not, but that doesn't prevent you from testing it
13:49<gatocaradepez>I can't install debian in my PC with windows XP and Ubuntu 7.10. First, the installer crashes at a point (something with acpi and root bridge). If I do it with install acpi=off, it starts but the installer doesn't recognise my DVD unit. I did a debootstrap installation but I got not so good results. I don't have an internet connection at home and I am trying to install etch with the 3 dvds
13:49<p_quarles>see if it works: # ifup eth1 && dhclient eth1
13:49<Cyorxamp>p_quarles: it says unknown interface
13:50<p_quarles>Cyorxamp, replace "eth1" with the actual devicename of course
13:50<gatocaradepez>could anyone help me?
13:50<Cyorxamp>yeah its eth1 according to your lshq
13:51<p_quarles>and you ran those commands as root, right?
13:51<Cyorxamp>ok now I've added it to /etc/network/interfaces it works
13:51<Cyorxamp>however when I disable onboard eth0 in a moment, I'd like eth1 to become eth0
13:52<bcochofel>Anyone knows how to change a title for a tab on mrxvt?
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13:52<Cyorxamp>I remember theres another file deep in /etc where they can be changed - can't remember where
13:53<qqsea>Cyorxamp: cat /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
13:53<Cyorxamp>thats it! udev :P
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13:58<bcochofel>fxiny: Hi, I'm using wmii now
13:58<bcochofel>fxiny: it's pretty cool
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13:59<bcochofel>fxiny: I only have one problem, when I receive a new message on irssi/bitlbee and I'm away of pc or on other workspace I can't see a notifier
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14:02<fxiny>bcochofel: yeahh wmii is easy
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14:02<fxiny>bcochofel: what message ? msn ?
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14:05<meglaw>rostedt: get it working. :) im not and i dont know whats wrong. i rechecked the configs..
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14:12<dpkg>it has been said that z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>
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14:18<fxiny>bcochofel: change and save irssi layout : stick your msg window as the very top one . play with tag (same tag as yout other desktop) , mod d , or set the window floating (mod spacebar) and resize it
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14:25<bcochofel>fxiny: you lost me
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14:27<fxiny>bcochofel: new messages are in irssi msg window , change your irssi layout so you can see the msg window
14:27<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm using mrxvt and iso-8859-1 and I've lost the function. So whenever I return to my PC I always have to check my wspace for new messages
14:27<bcochofel>fxiny: how can I do that?
14:27<rostedt>meglaw: hi
14:28*rostedt was at lunc
14:28<rostedt>lunch ever
14:28<rostedt>even :-)
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14:28<fxiny>bcochofel: you want three irssi widows : one for bitlbee , one for msg and a spare one ready , see irssi home page
14:28*rostedt can't type
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14:30<rostedt>meglaw: I have an Atheros wifi
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14:31<rostedt>in /etc/nework/interfaces:
14:31<rostedt>iface ath0 inet dhcp
14:31<rostedt> wireless-essid MYESSID
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14:31<rostedt> pre-up modprobe ath_pci
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14:31<rostedt> wireless-mode managed
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14:31<rostedt> pre-up wpa_supplicant -tK -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -iath0 -Dmadwifi -B
14:32<rostedt> down killall wpa_supplicant
14:32<donny>hi all. this is my first time trying a multiple-display X configuration, any tips? faqs? etc.?
14:32<rostedt> post-down rmmod ath_pci
14:32<bcochofel>fxiny: ok
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14:32<rostedt>meglaw: in my /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
14:32<rostedt> scan_ssid=1
14:32<rostedt> key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
14:33<rostedt> ssid="MYSSID"
14:33<meglaw>cpuld u put that on postbin?
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14:33<rostedt> psk="MYPSKXXXXXXX"
14:33<rostedt>meglaw: I'd still need to type it out
14:34<rostedt>for security reasons, I need to hid my real info
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14:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:35<fxiny>bcochofel: there are no workspaces on wmii : you just think about tags as windows properties . you can set any tag you want . same tag same "group" . play with : mod d , mod jklh and last floating mode : mod spacebar where you can resize by using the mouse
14:35<meglaw>ok i will try this now rostedt
14:36<fxiny>workspaces are a kid tale : there are no workspaces at all anywhre , but window properties , and yes we are in 2008 ;)
14:36<bcochofel>fxiny: ok
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14:37<fxiny>bcochofel: tiled windows managers are pretty logic
14:37<bcochofel>fxiny: I have a msg window, but I guess I don't know how to use it
14:37<rostedt>meglaw: what wireless device do you have
14:37<bcochofel>fxiny: I will buy a wide TFT mon
14:37<rostedt>since mine is specific to atheros
14:37<meglaw>orinoco gold 8470 pcmcia
14:37<fxiny>bcochofel: when your buddy will call you'll see them first in there , then you type in bitlbee window as usual
14:38<rostedt>meglaw: can't help you with the driver part
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14:38<meglaw>nope dont need to i got that working fine
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14:38<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm used to open q query window to talk to someone
14:38<fxiny>bcochofel: a wide ? monday ? don't forget to tell me how is on wmii :))
14:38<meglaw>i first installed kubunto on this laptop
14:39<bcochofel>fxiny: ok
14:39<meglaw>tryed for 6h, no go drivers
14:39<meglaw>so i installed a pure debian
14:39<bcochofel>wide monitor
14:39<meglaw>apt get some things
14:39<fxiny>bcochofel: three windows are perfect for bitlbee
14:39<meglaw>do the module assistant thing
14:39<meglaw>and it works.
14:39<meglaw>debian just is the shit.
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14:39<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm new to bitlbee
14:39<rostedt>meglaw: replace the ath_pci with your module
14:39<bcochofel>fxiny: but I also have one for #debian and #emacs
14:40<rostedt>and the -iath0 with -iYOUR_INTERFACE
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14:40<bcochofel>I'm not getting how to handle all that
14:40<fxiny>bcochofel: i use it only when i boot the vsever kernel
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14:40<meglaw>its ath_pci
14:40<rostedt>it is
14:40<fxiny>bcochofel: you can open more on the fly . read irssi faq
14:40<rostedt>then you can use my configs pretty much as is
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14:41<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm not seeing your messages on my msgs window
14:41<rostedt>fxiny, erKURITA: fyi, my printer works again
14:41<fxiny>i don't msg you
14:41<fxiny>rostedt: yes ? good !
14:41<rostedt>after removing all but the most significant packages
14:41*rostedt even removed bash :-p
14:41<rostedt>and then upgrading back to testing
14:42<rostedt>I purged all cups and sane config files
14:42<rostedt>removing some even manually
14:42<rostedt>then just started installing all packages again
14:42<fxiny>bcochofel: btw is yahoo working again in bitlbee ?
14:42<bcochofel>fxiny: then you mean a spare one for channels?
14:42<noflash> /ignore -replies rostedt
14:42<bcochofel>fxiny: I don't use yahoo
14:43<rostedt>and then reconfigured my cups server
14:43<rostedt>it worked again
14:43<bcochofel>fxiny: one more thing, what's the autosendcmd for bitlbee to identify at start-up? I've tried several ways and no good
14:43<fxiny>bcochofel: i use to stick the msg window always on the top . adding one more fore bitlbee is easy
14:43<rostedt>so something happened in one of my updates that botched things up
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14:44<fxiny>rostedt: removing bash is a scacrilege
14:45<meglaw>rostedt: what is a essid
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14:48<suiside>meglaw: service set identifier, used for identifying 802.11 wireless LANs
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14:50<rostedt>meglaw: you can set it to anything you want
14:50<doorntje>oops, wrong terminal
14:50<rostedt>fxiny: I quickly reinstalled it back
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14:50<rostedt>without ever leaving aptitide
14:51*rostedt even removed aptitude from aptitude and reinstalled it as well
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14:53<meglaw>ok i got an error
14:53<meglaw>could not read line
14:53<meglaw>but it did not say what line. :(
14:54<fxiny>bcochofel: so mod shift l should be f* good in a wide . two a4 sized windows side by side like iceweasel and emacs :)
14:54<fxiny>stupid hardware vendors can get this sense of business
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14:54<rostedt>meglaw: could you paste what you did in those two files
14:55<rostedt>removing any ids with just XXX
14:55<meglaw>yeah in a second
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14:59<fxiny>bcochofel: you mean identify <password> ? when in bitlbee type "help quickstart"
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15:00<zaikxtox>hello. i have a problem . tried to install xfonts-terminus to make my mrxvt look better, but when i install the package i get:
15:00<zaikxtox>warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory
15:00<zaikxtox>while configuring
15:01<zaikxtox>and then, when i try to use the font there is no way to make it appear
15:01<zaikxtox>i mean...
15:02-!-mode/#debian [+l 387] by debhelper
15:02<zaikxtox>on the README.Debian says to look the /etc/X11/fonts/misc/xfonts-terminus.alias file which is not created
15:02<fxiny>zaikxtox: Mrxvt.font: -xos4-terminus-bold-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15
15:02<fxiny>zaikxtox: running etch ?
15:02<zaikxtox>fxiny, i tried this: mrxvt -font -xos4-terminus-bold-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-i859-15
15:02<zaikxtox>mrxvt: can't load font "-xos4-terminus-bold-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15
15:02<zaikxtox>yes fxiny , etch on amd64 port
15:02<fxiny>zaikxtox: apt-cache policy xfonts-terminus ?
15:03<fxiny>amd64 ?
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15:03<zaikxtox>yes, amd64 but should not be a problem.
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15:03<fxiny>zaikxtox: check if they are on run : xfontsel
15:04<zaikxtox>apt-cache policy says it's installed from my etch mirror 500 etch/main Packages
15:04<meglaw>sorry for foul pass. :)
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15:04<bcochofel>fxiny: yep, but how to put that in irssi config?
15:04<fxiny>zaikxtox: i use only terminus even in emacs : never had problem
15:05<rostedt>meglaw: put quotes around the PSK
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15:05<zaikxtox>fxiny, i never used it but looked like the way to go for my terminal
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15:05<rostedt>meglaw: psk="MYPSK"
15:05<cyc>Ihi, I've got a problem with apache on debian sarge for quite some time. There's an IPB forum running on - that's most of the load on the server. From "time to time" - in last days almost every day - something happens to httpd, load on the server is low, nothing dramatic is happening, but every request timeouts. all is well immediately if I restart apache2. At first it seemed that setting MaxKeepAliveRequests to a much bigger number helps, but the problem isn't go
15:05<meglaw>ah ok
15:05<cyc>Does anyone have a clue what could cause this on the web server?
15:05<rostedt>meglaw: my mistake
15:05<rostedt>no don't do that
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15:06<fxiny>bcochofel: iirc /layout save , check ~/.irssi
15:06<rostedt>meglaw: hmm, try it
15:06<meglaw>rebooting now
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15:06<rostedt>meglaw: I think you can put in a string but you need to quote it
15:06<rostedt>I used a hex number
15:06<zaikxtox>fxiny, i have added the Mrxvt.font: -xos4-terminus-bold-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15 and it says the same... not found
15:07<fxiny>zaikxtox: run xfontsel and look for it
15:07<zaikxtox>thanks a lot fxiny
15:07<fxiny>zaikxtox: np
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15:08<rostedt>meglaw: also "/etc/init.d/network restart"
15:08<rostedt>meglaw: that way you don't need to reboot
15:08<rostedt>or simply, ifdown ath0, followed by ifup ath0
15:08<rostedt>that's what I usually do
15:08<fxiny>zaikxtox: emacs :) >> 'default '"-xos4-terminus-bold-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15") , i do like terminus :)
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15:09<fxiny>zaikxtox: osd_cat ? have a guess ;)
15:09<meglaw>it looks like it worked.. but im not getting pings back
15:09<meglaw>it got a propper ip
15:10<meglaw>and now it does
15:10<VTommy>hello guys
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15:10<meglaw>not.. is there a errorlog someware i can look at?
15:11<VTommy>i need help :-( with apache2 i have installed an ispcp tool and now my apache is all mest up
15:11<VTommy>anyone can help with this? i'd like to restart apache2 to defaults and remove any applications that is not needed that the ispcp tool install, i think i have that part mosly done
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15:12<zaikxtox>fxiny, ok. the problem is that xos4 does not shows on
15:12<rostedt>meglaw: you got an ip on the box?
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15:12<rostedt>meglaw: but you can't ping it from other boxes?
15:12<meglaw>for a second
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15:12<zaikxtox>fxiny, the problem should by on the config part that fails while installing
15:12<meglaw>then ath0 dissapered
15:13<rostedt>meglaw: try a ifdown ath0 and ifup ath0
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15:13<fxiny>bcochofel: a pretty good tut at : an amazing "An Illustrated Guide to Split Windows in Irssi"
15:13<rostedt>you'll need to be root to do that (or sudo)
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15:13<fxiny>wt4x ! now there is an illustrated guide too !
15:14<fxiny>irssi world domination follows soon
15:14<meglaw>b4, the line "auto eth0" was in interfaces file, what does that do?
15:14<rostedt>meglaw: that starts up your ethernet device
15:15<rostedt>usually the NIC that has the CAT5 connector
15:15<rostedt>you probably have a builtin NIC with CAT5
15:15<fxiny>zaikxtox: check the bts and maybe fire a bug report ?
15:16<fxiny>if none yours will certainly help
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15:16<zaikxtox>fxiny, the ter*.pcf files on the fonts dir are ok
15:16<zaikxtox>i will see next
15:17<meglaw>i guess i need auto ath0 in it then
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15:18<rostedt>meglaw: only if you want it to start up automatically
15:18<meglaw>i do
15:18<rostedt>I don't have auto in there, because , I travel a bit
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15:18<rostedt>and I use different networks
15:18<rostedt>so I just start it up manually everytime I boot up
15:19<rostedt>meglaw: so yeah, you want the auto line in there ;-)
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15:19<meglaw>yeah ppl in the other apt have low signal on aps.
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15:24<eternalswd>I'm trying to get kino working with lenny. I recompiled the kernel with raw1394 support. I have the raw1394 module loaded. I have /dev/raw1394 with permissions crw-rw---- owner is root and group is disk. My current user is a member of the disk group. When I try using kino, it says either raw1394 isn't loaded or it can't read/write to /dev/raw1394
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15:25<fsandoval>quisiera hacerles una pregunta
15:25<fsandoval>soy nuevo en el tema de linux
15:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:25<fsandoval>he tratado de agrgar a un grupo desntro de otro grupo
15:25<fsandoval>se puede?
15:26<fsandoval>he buscado documentacion pero no es cuentro alguien me puede ayudar
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15:38<simy>is there a way to find out what modules were loaded when i plugged in a USB device so I can free it up and use it with Vbox?
15:38<simy>unless ofcourse theres an easier method
15:40<rostedt>meglaw: any luck?
15:41<eternalswd>simy, is vbox a virtualization software?
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15:42<simy>yes it is
15:42<simy>vbox is virtualbox
15:42<simy>from innotek
15:43<meglaw>no i gave up, i need to do other stuff
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15:44<simy>what I'm trying to do is just get magicjack to run on my system, see if its decent so i can make outbound calls when i need too
15:44<simy>i tried wine, didnt work
15:44<noflash>simy, #vbox on freenode
15:44<simy>theres no installation in the first place...
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15:44<simy>thanks noflash
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15:47<meglaw>i mean my external.. :)
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15:48<rostedt>meglaw: does that mean you have your wifi working?
15:48<meglaw>no. :(
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15:48<Kebianizao>anyone knows about a decently recent nx server for debian?
15:49<meglaw>i get it to work ok with wep
15:49<meglaw>maby i shoud use it and tunnel over wlan insted
15:49<meglaw>wpa, wep, its just as easy to crack
15:49<rostedt>what errors are you having?
15:49<meglaw>donno. i gave up
15:49<ranix>wpa is slightly more difficult
15:49<meglaw>cooking food
15:49<rostedt>wep is easy to crack
15:49<ranix>relies on more variables
15:49<rostedt>I've done it myself
15:49<meglaw>yeah from 5min to 2 min
15:50<debnoob>hey hey, I have a real noob question for you. I'm, running Debian etch and want to know what window manager and compositing I'm running. I know metacity and compiz are installed by default but are they active?
15:50<rostedt>not sure how easy wpa2 is to crack
15:50<rostedt>when you have a very large key
15:50<meglaw>its crackable
15:50<meglaw>just a days worth of packet injection usialy cracks anything
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15:50<meglaw>food bbl
15:51<simy>ddint have permissions, go figure...
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15:55<debnoob>is there some other channel I should look into for help with etch packages?
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15:56*rostedt wonders how long it would be to crack a 63 character PSK WPA password?
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16:06<debnoob>not too long, depends on the hackers skills. I reading this
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16:06<debnoob>so is everyone sleeping in this channel? I've been waiting for 15 mins for a response or an ack of life
16:06<debnoob>so someone is actually here
16:07<debnoob>hi Schizo
16:07<Schizo>just got here ;)
16:07<debnoob>was wondering, do you know how I can tell if compiz is running or if I'm using metacity ? (running latest etch)
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16:08<Schizo>dunno... didn't know compiz was available in etch
16:08<debnoob>ya 2.2
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16:09<debnoob>tried to install 6.6 but it broke my system so I returned to the defaults
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16:11<rostedt>debnoob: thanks for the link, but I don't know how to answer your question, so I wasn't about to respond ;-)
16:13<rostedt>debnoob: I was also looking at this: and it seems it still needs to do a brute force attack
16:14<rostedt>on 63 random characters, that seems to me to be quite some time to crack (years?)
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16:36<debnoob>ugh, Debian is lots easier when you know where to look for help. Thanks, I think I can get it working now
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16:44<ScrewYou>can anyone tell me why in the options i its when i open new page to go to new tab but it goes to a new whole window with icewaesel
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17:08<Double>hey guys i have a zune and i want to sync zune thru linux
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17:08<Double>so i found this page where a guy used Amrok to sync his zune
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17:09<Double>but inorder to do that he changed the and set it up like an MTP
17:09<Double>amrok as a MTP player
17:09<Double>how to do that?
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17:10<Double>i have the web page
17:11<Double>dude any one here??????????????????????????
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17:12<Double>debhelper do you know how to do this?
17:12<ScrewYou>i think thats bot
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17:12<ScrewYou>but im not sure
17:12<alaya>does anyone know, is it possible to get compiz working with fglrx card under sid?
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17:12<dondelelcaro>Double: google is probably your best bet, since no one here knows much about microsoft's zune.
17:13<Double>i know but do you know how to change amrok to an mtp player?
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17:13<dondelelcaro>alaya: there's no reason why it shouldn't be
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17:14<Double>dondelecaro-> you know man or i might try a different server
17:14<Double>i mean do you know how to
17:14<alaya>hi dondelelcaro. i installed compiz, but when i try to run it (under kde) it says "Checking for Xgl: not present." and "no /usr/bin/metacity found, exiting"
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17:15<dondelelcaro>alaya: yeah, that means that you don't have xgl and/or drm configured properly; I personally don't use either, so I can't help you much.
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17:15<Double>yes no?
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17:15<dondelelcaro>Double: if I knew, I would have told you...
17:15<alaya>dondelelcaro: thanks. maybe i need to change "Option "Composite" "0"" to "1" in xorg.conf plus some other stuff
17:16<themill>Double: ask google: gah
17:16<alaya>dondelelcaro: i'm not really into a lot of eye candy either normally, but after seeing the latest knoppix, i wanted to try it. it is very impressive.
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17:19<ScrewYou>is it a good idea to install testing version of debian?
17:19<ranix>alaya: most people around here install compiz occasionally and wind up removing it again
17:20<tzafrir_home>I'm trying to use kvm on my laptop. I modprobed the module kvm, but still no /dev/kvm
17:20<tzafrir_home>ScrewYou, if you don't mind updating your system occasionally
17:21<ScrewYou>tzafrir_home, i want to try kde4
17:21<tzafrir_home>It's not as stable (read - not changing under your feet) as Stable is
17:21<alaya>ranix: i can imagine that after a week of squiggly menus and windows that fade out into a ball of fire it would be enough
17:22<ScrewYou>KDE 4.0 requires some software that is not available in the Debian 4.0 "etch" release. Therefore, it can only be installed on systems using the testing & unstable branches.
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17:22<aasheesh_>hey guys
17:23<aasheesh_>do you know how to change Amrok to a MTP player?
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17:24<Double>suggestions, can it be done?
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17:24<Double>guys?? does no one talk in here?
17:25<alaya>no one probably knows/cares about what you asked. i have no idea what it is.
17:25<tzafrir_home>You seem to like talking
17:26<Double>Amrok is a Media Player
17:26<Double>and i have a zune
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17:26<Double>and i read that one can sync a zune thru linux if they install amrok
17:26<Double>and set it up as a MTP
17:26<avu>Double, probably best to ask the amarok people
17:26<avu>Double, they're in #amarok at freenode
17:27<Double>freenode is a server?
17:27<ScrewYou>Double, try this
17:27<avu>Double, freenode ist a network
17:27<avu>Double, you can reach it through for example
17:27<Double>so i go there an i get help right?
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17:28<avu>Double, maybe
17:28<Double>Gaara frm Naruto ??
17:28<Double>k thanks
17:28<avu>Double, your chances are sure better in #amarok than here
17:28<Double>thanks u guys
17:28<avu>but I don't think many people there use MS mp3 players either :)
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17:28<Double>either way
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17:34<davi>Why the 'time' command always shows zero at the "Average total (data+stack+text) memory use of the process, in Kilobytes." ?
17:34<dondelelcaro>davi: for what?
17:34<davi>Must I add some support in the kernel to allow it measuring memory process profile?
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17:35<davi>dondelelcaro, /usr/bin/time --format=" %K..." command
17:35<davi>always show '0' !
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17:36<davi>dondelelcaro, I am sure such "command" process have more than 0 "Average total (data+stack+text) memory ..."
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17:37<alaya>Double: normally mp3 players show up as a usb drive under linux
17:37<davi>dondelelcaro, "Average total (data+stack+text) memory use of the process, in Kilobytes." can not be always zero!
17:37<Double>yeah but zunes are speciall and they need to have a program that identifies it
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17:38<Double>like i need zune software on windows to sync the zune
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17:38<Double>but zune sotware doesnot work on linux so i can't do anything on this computer
17:38<alaya>Double: that's a drag. i would consider getting an iRiver player instead. much better media support and no drm or other crap.
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17:38<davi>dondelelcaro, You could try it executing the below command:
17:38<davi> /usr/bin/time --format="%K Average total (data+stack+text) memory use of the process, in Kilobytes." ls -l
17:39<Double>yeah i know but i allready got it for christmas
17:39<dondelelcaro>davi: hrm; not sure which system call it's making to do that. Consider filing a wishlist bug.
17:39<dondelelcaro>s/wishlist //
17:39<Double>last christmas and i can't return it now
17:39<alaya>Double: plus iriver support ogg which is far better than mp3 for music
17:39<alaya>Double: ebay it
17:39<Double>i'm in high school and my parents won't buy me
17:39<Double>that cause i allready have
17:39<davi>dondelelcaro, I will do a strace to detect the system call
17:40<Double>thanks tho alaya
17:40<alaya>Double: can't sell on ebay?
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17:44<Double>ah no alaya
17:44<Double>my parents would kill me
17:44<Double>i wish thou
17:44<VTommy>anyone can help do reinstall of apache2 with mods or to clean them out of the system
17:45<VTommy>not working anymore and looking to do fresh install with default
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17:45<Double>i think that the is down cause ihasn't loaded for 15 mins
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17:50<davi>dondelelcaro, To see the system call you could execute:
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17:50<davi> strace /usr/bin/time --format="%K Average total (data+stack+text) memory use of the process, in Kilobytes." echo "test"
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17:51<davi>dondelelcaro, I do not know what of such system call take note of memory use by the process.
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17:54<VTommy>how to i remove fastcgi?
17:54<avu>VTommy, you remove or purge the packages you installed to get it?
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17:55<avu>VTommy, fastcgi is not an application but a technique, so it's hard to give a more precise answer
17:55<VTommy>i'm starting to lean all this stuff avu, but i have tried from aptitude and apt-get remove but can't find it but when i try to start apache2 i get error php5-fastcgi error
17:56<avu>VTommy, if you're talking about apache, that would be aptitude purge libapache2-mod-fastcgi for example
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17:56<avu>VTommy, in that case, installing mod-php might be something you want to do, too
17:56<avu>VTommy, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 for example
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17:58<VTommy>ok those are done and working but my apache will not start :-( well 1 sec let me try again
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17:58<VTommy>nop got error in my conf file will have to check that first
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18:04<VTommy>ok got apache2 back working but now instead of showing me the webpage it's asking me to download a file when opening index.php
18:05<avu>VTommy, have you enabled mod-php?
18:05<themill>a2enmod php5
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18:05<VTommy>yeah it is enabled
18:06<VTommy>but still same problem
18:06<themill>!php wants me to download still
18:06<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at (Apache 1.x).
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18:06<VTommy>i think it could be my conf files for virtual settings that is not working now
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18:06<themill>VTommy: check using telnet, netcat, wget etc.... your browser could well be lying to you.
18:07<VTommy>is there a way to clean everything out for apache2 and php and start over with everything so i have a clean install and defaults
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18:10<avu>VTommy, delete/rename the directories containing the configuration or just the files you want to be restored and do aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packages in question>, for example
18:11<ScrewYou>VTommy, after deleting all the stuff you can try xampp php mysql and apache verry easy to install and use
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18:13<avu>as long as it's only a local test machine and nothing reachable from the internet and if "learning how to do it right" is not on the todo list, xampp might be a viable option, right
18:14<VTommy>well this is test machine for now but will be active has soon has i can get it fixed :-)
18:14<themill>Gaara: please do not recommend people use xampp.
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18:14<avu>VTommy, then don't use xampp
18:14<VTommy>now maybe to let you guys know what happend is i installed ispcp and the problems started big time
18:14<MrHaT>hey everyone :d
18:14<VTommy>will not avu :-) ty for warning
18:15<VTommy>so much stuff you can do with linux it's crazy i have learn move in the pass 2 weeks then in 15 years about linux :-)
18:15<VTommy>ok i got linux apache2 and php5 working :-)
18:16<avu>VTommy, ispcp is one of those aweful web-admin-panel-thingies?
18:16<VTommy>yeah you said it aweful lol
18:16<avu>the concept of such software is inherently broken IMHO, yes
18:16<VTommy>avu: but i need one of those software :-) for ease of operations :-) on my side
18:17<avu>VTommy, what you need is the knowledge how to do it right or someone to do it for you ;p
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18:17<VTommy>well i'm a quick study, but the to do it right that is the question :-)
18:18<VTommy>since i'm only learning has i go along
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18:18<avu>"don't use a web based admin panel" is an important step in "doing it right" IMO :)
18:19<avu>and "read the documentation, don't just fiddle until it seems to work, understand how/why it does what it does/should do" is also a good mindset
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18:19<VTommy>avu: how is best way to do it right, fast, and efficient ?
18:20<avu>skip the fast :)
18:20<avu>take your time to understand what you're doing
18:20<dpkg>Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RFTM by an impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>.
18:21<avu>I only feel right about putting a service in production when I understand every single line in the configuration file.
18:21<VTommy>avu: hehe i need it to be fast not a lot of time for this stuff :-P, but i understand what you are saying
18:21<avu>and when I know that the ones that are *not* in there are missing because the defaults are right for me ;)
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18:22<VTommy>avu: true it's good to know what you are working with and understand it
18:22<avu>VTommy, especially if the service you are configuring is exposed to the internet, it's not only "good" but vital.
18:23<VTommy>alright i will take your advice avu, but i have do so much right now with testing dtc/syscp/ispcp and now i don't know how to clean them out of the system
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18:24<VTommy>they tell you easy steps to install but i have notice once you whant to remove there is no steps or just few steps
18:24<VTommy>that will not remove everything
18:24<VTommy>how can i go about and clean all that stuff out and start fresh without having to reinstall from 0
18:24<avu>your fault for installing anything other than a properly built .deb
18:25<VTommy>i know
18:25<VTommy>and i did learn from my mistakes :-(
18:25<VTommy>is there any log usualy that is kept for me to read and retrace what it did?
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18:26<VTommy>so what step should i take/wipe everything and start over?
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18:26<avu>if you really want to start over, just start over :)
18:27<VTommy>i dont hehe, but is there any other way?
18:27<avu>make a backup, do a new installation
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18:27<avu>there is no other practical way to get everything back to normal
18:28<MrHaT>back sorry
18:28<VTommy>well everything i did was based on apache2/php/purl and stats softwares, so in theory if i remove all those and clean out the folders i should be ok
18:29<avu>VTommy, that's one 'should' and one 'theory' to much for a production system ;)
18:30<VTommy>i hear ya avu, will take advice and start fresh, and do it right
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18:33<EnriqueI>which ftp server would you guys recommend for virtual users_
18:39<avu>EnriqueI, vsftpd, if you need mor flexibility than it provides, proftpd
18:40<EnriqueI>avu: Thank you, going to give proftpd a try. Does vsftpd support virtual users?
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18:40<EnriqueI>I'm currently using pureftpd but I can't get passive to work
18:40<avu>vsftpd does support virtual users
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18:41<avu>and it's always the one I prefer. I often heard that there are situations where you need proftpd because it can do more, configuration-wise but I myself never had such a case
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18:42<EnriqueI>avu: I'm not going to be the only one doing config changes, does vsftpd have a gui like proftpd?
18:43<avu>'a gui'?
18:43<avu>proftpd does not have a gui, whatever that means in context of a daemon
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18:44<avu>you mean some third party application that provides a GUI frontend for editing the configuration?
18:44<avu>I have never seen such a thing for vsftpd. never looked for one either, though
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18:44<EnriqueI>speaking broadly
18:45<avu>vsftpd configuration is quite simple though, no need for a frontend
18:45<EnriqueI>but yes, a gtk front end that allows you to edit the config file
18:45<avu>why on earth would you want such a thing? :)
18:45<avu>well never mind, I don't think there's a possible answer that would make me happy ;)
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18:47<EnriqueI>I am the only linux admin here
18:47<EnriqueI>everyone else is a windows admin
18:47<EnriqueI>they like the guis... I am content with the command line or even tunneling X over ssh
18:48<VTommy>quick question what persion with chmod should it be for not writable?
18:48<avu>VTommy, -w
18:48<avu>VTommy, read man chmod ;)
18:49<EnriqueI>read and execute is 5, just read is 4
18:49<VTommy>avu: ok that's what i did but i'm still getting the error in my php file
18:49<VTommy>Wrong permissions on configuration file, should not be world writable!
18:50<EnriqueI>make sure it is ##5
18:50<VTommy>k ty guys
18:50<EnriqueI>world is the last number
18:50<avu>why should a configuration file be executable? :)
18:50<avu>or even world-readable for that matter
18:50<EnriqueI>true, it doesn't need to be
18:50<EnriqueI>the web server should be able to grab it
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18:50<EnriqueI>with read only, but who knows... :)
18:51<EnriqueI>if your system is reasonably secure, there is no inherent risk in having files set +x
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18:52<EnriqueI>but if I ever get burned because of it I will probably change my mind. :P
18:54<hachi>how do I search based on tags with something like apt-cache?
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18:55<hachi>I'm trying to find a GL enabled 3d game to test out my viddy card
18:55<hachi>use::gameplaying would be good, but I don't see how to search for it
18:55<avu>hachi, use debtags or ept-cache
18:55<hachi>I'm trying to use apt-cache
18:55<nicvas>I have a little problem with my clock
18:55<avu>hachi, well, don't :)
18:55<hachi>I don't see how you search for tags with it
18:56<avu>hachi, you don't :)
18:56<avu>hachi, use debtags or ept-cache :)
18:56<VTommy>ok mysql is install but website can't use it :-( this was working before i but something i removed/did is not working anymore :-(
18:56<nicvas>I see in my shell through command date the right time
18:56<hachi>avu: and I thought that was just a typo on your part
18:56<hachi>say I'm not aware of either, which one do I want to use?
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18:56<avu>hachi, well, it wasn't :)
18:57<themill>VTommy: exact error message is?
18:57<hachi>is one the 'newer' 'going to obsolete the other' choice?
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18:57<nicvas>but in my "desktop" time I see an not okk time
18:57<themill>VTommy: do you have php5-mysql installed?
18:57<avu>hachi, debtags is only for searching tags, ept-cache can do much more
18:57<nicvas>there are any people with the same problem?
18:58<avu>hachi, but debtags can also manipulate tags
18:59<Laeborg>i have some issues with my mouse and keyboard. Its begin to lagging after some time, and then i need to restart my computer, before it works normal again. I have a Logitech diNovo keyboard, and the MX1000 mouse, running over the same bluetooth usb key
18:59*themill notes that ept-cache is not in etch
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19:03<VTommy>themill: ty that was the problem but i don't know why it was removed :)
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19:14<Laeborg>i have some issues with my mouse and keyboard. Its begin to lagging after some time, and then i need to restart my computer, before it works normal again. I have a Logitech diNovo keyboard, and the MX1000 mouse, running over the same bluetooth usb key
19:15<Laeborg>less ?
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19:17<widrones>Laeborg: dmesg telling you anything?
19:17<widrones>Laeborg: top giving any pointers to what software may be spinning out of control?
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19:18<Laeborg>didn't understand that
19:18<Laeborg>(sorry my englisg isn't the best)
19:19<dpkg>it has been said that dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join in your irc client, also the country Denmark
19:19<widrones>Laeborg: "dmesg" and "Top" programs, first list last events, the other shows running software/programs.
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19:20<widrones>Laeborg: What you describe sounded like a whole load of info comming from the bt/usb end and tipping over some input handelig program. But that is a hunch.
19:20<widrones>Laeborg: Sorry, "top". no capital letter
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19:20<Laeborg>hmm dmesg gives a long output
19:21<Laeborg>and the bt device is only connected with my keyboard and mouse
19:21<widrones>Laeborg: Does unplugging and replugging fix it or do you need that reboot?
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19:21<janos>hello karolina
19:22<widrones>Laeborg: Hm, rfcomm channels the same? Maybe they crosstalk each other. The mouse and the keyboard that is.
19:22<widrones>Laeborg: How are you setting up the connections?
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19:23<widrones>Laeborg: Yes, dmesg gives alot. But you are looking for the last lines when it starts happening
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19:30<Laeborg>well just happend again
19:30<Laeborg>but now i have problems with the ethernet
19:30<Laeborg>can't load any pages in Firefox or Konquier, and i can't connect to any other IRC network than this one
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19:31<Laeborg>what can be wrong?
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19:35<widrones>Laeborg: your ethernet going thru usb aswell? ;)
19:35<Laeborg>and its not wireless
19:36<widrones>Laeborg: Really, it sounds like you have a deeper problem then just keyboard latency. Tell me about your system abit more.
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19:36<widrones>Laeborg: What version on what hardware etc, and what sorts of busses and what you got connected.
19:37<widrones>And it better start with Debian ;)
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19:37<Laeborg>well i have debian etch, installed with the netinst from
19:38<Laeborg>never had any problems with the ethernet until now
19:38<Laeborg>ethernet-card is onboard on my asus motherboard
19:38<widrones>Laeborg: So i386 standard, not a laptop or anything?
19:39<Laeborg>no its not a laptop, and yes i386
19:39<Laeborg>i have runned openSUSE for about 6 months ago, without these problems
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19:40<widrones>same hw, no swap arounds? And same kernel versions?
19:40<Laeborg>and until for a week ago, i runned windows xp
19:40<Aleric>exim4 stopped working... is this a known problem? I did nothing special, except apt-get update/upgrade.
19:40<Laeborg>100% hardware
19:40<Aleric>hikaru:/etc/init.d>./exim4 start
19:40<Aleric>Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments
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19:40<Laeborg>100% same hardware *
19:41<widrones>and here I am about to start out an install myself and the power brick is just gone, damnit!
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19:41<Laeborg>i also runned Ubuntu for like 1½ years ago with same motherboard and cpu
19:42<themill>Aleric: it's a known problem. see the bts.
19:42<widrones>Laeborg: If network suddenly failed and half broke Im assuming its your ISP. Just see where traceroutes break off I guess.
19:43<themill>Also check dns is resolving correctly
19:43<widrones>Laeborg: Pastebin you dmesg output if you got anything from the last lockups, and you never answered me on the unplug/replug thing, did that work?
19:44<widrones>Aye, dns resolving.. I hear that is important if you dont remember IPs ;)
19:44<themill>yeah.... that damned new fangled naming thing...
19:45<Laeborg>i had some problems with my server (hosted another place) yesterday. I could get it connected to anything else than nx and ssh
19:45<Laeborg>and bittorrent peers (but it could not update tracker, i got this error: hostname not found)
19:46<Laeborg>i didn't to anything to fix the problem, and today it worked again
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19:47<widrones>Laeborg: hostname not found, that should point to a dns resolve trouble perhapps.
19:47<Laeborg>what can i do the solve the issue ?
19:47<widrones>Laeborg: Maybe one or more of the dns servers you use are having a bad day, giving you no responses
19:47<widrones>Laeborg: /etc/resolv.conf tells you what servers you use
19:47<Laeborg>but my server is hosted in germany, and im from denmark
19:48<widrones>Laeborg: Me not knowing the topology of your network setup lets you do the thinking.
19:48<daniel_>Hi. I'm currently running debian lenny. I have a 8800GT nvidia card and my xorg.conf file says I am using the 'nv' driver. However, when I use "glxinfo" I get a segmentation fault error, and when I try to use compiz it says it can't be ran using VESA or VGA drivers. Anyone know what's going on ?
19:49<Laeborg>got these two nameservers
19:49<Aleric>Does anyone know how to tell exim4 to try to deliver everything it has queued (due to previous errors)?
19:49<Laeborg>the other computers at my network don't have any problems to connect
19:50<widrones>Laeborg: And the output of "lspci -v" and "lsusb" if possible, ill just have a look around incase I can help seeing some tiny bits
19:50<petemc>Aleric: exim4 -qff
19:50<Aleric>themill, petemc: Thanks
19:50<widrones>Laeborg: Pastebin them.
19:50<themill>Aleric: no worries.
19:51<Laeborg>hmm can't get access to pastebin
19:51<Laeborg>what about dcc ?
19:51<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
19:52<themill>Laeborg: can you use
19:52<widrones>Laeborg: Ok, just msg me it. Since your dns resolving is all whacked up.
19:52<widrones>Laeborg: But better to get it out there. Even thu Im talking alot, others think and read along with (I know)
19:52<themill>Laeborg: (that IP is for
19:53<Laeborg>hmm can't get access themill
19:53<widrones>Second I get out of line they tell me just how wrong I am, hehe.
19:53<themill>ok, so maybe not dns after all
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19:54<Laeborg>themill: if i dcc the 2 outputs to you, can you then poste it on pastebin for me
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19:55<Laeborg>what happens ? :S
19:56<Laeborg>widrone ?
19:56<widrone>Laeborg: Whatever you did, dont do that again. My poor arm box with 32mb ram segfaultet irssi
19:56<Laeborg>i would just dcc the files to you :S
19:56<Laeborg>usign mIRC with wine
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19:57<widrone>Laeborg: So we establishen no msg for me!
19:58<Laeborg>what if we join another channel and i post the outputs there? (then i don't spam this channel)
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19:59<widrone>Laeborg: Try adding to your ... maybe problem went away (if isp then transitory)
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19:59<shze>i want to use ipw2100 wlan card on an amd64 system. debian stable has ipw2100-modules-*, but i cant find them in testing?
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19:59<Laeborg>An error occurred while loading
19:59<Laeborg>Timeout on server
19:59<Laeborg>Connection was to at port 80
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20:00<widrone>Only thing I see off the ordinary in the dmsg is the bt input devices are registering rigth in the middle of whatever else the machine is doing
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20:00<widrone>But that may just be the log msges comming when its done really
20:01<Laeborg>well i may just wait and hope my ethernet working well soon
20:01<Laeborg>be back later
20:01<petemc>i wouldnt put too much hope in the problem fixing itself
20:01<widrone>Grats on tipping my irssi thu, dont think I have seen that segfault before.
20:02*petemc reads back
20:02<abrotman>shze: does iwlwifi do the 2100 ?
20:03<abrotman>guess not
20:03<shze>abrotman: no, iwlwifi does not
20:03<themill>isn't ipw2100 in the mainline kernel now?
20:04<abrotman>it was in .22 .. gone in .24 ?
20:04<abrotman>oh wait .. moment
20:04<shze>themill: i thought so, but i cant find the module for .24 in testing
20:04<themill>no, it's in my .24
20:04<abrotman>if you're going to use locate .. make sure your DB isn't 47 days old :)
20:04<themill> modinfo ipw2100 works for me on etchnhalf's 2.6.24
20:05<themill>dpkg: fix abrotman's cron
20:05*dpkg takes abrotman's cron to the vet for a "special" visit.
20:05<abrotman>!find ipw2100.ko lenny
20:05<abrotman>themill: i removed it :)
20:05<themill>!tell abrotman about installit
20:05*themill hides
20:05<abrotman>the crontask you moron
20:05<dpkg>Debian Search of 'ipw2100.ko' (3): (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-486/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686-bigmem.
20:06<shze>yeah, but not in the -amd kernel :(
20:06<abrotman>-amd64 you mean ?
20:06<abrotman>well .. how much RAM do you have?
20:06<shze>2G ram
20:07<abrotman>use -686?
20:07<abrotman>or you're on pure64 ?
20:07<FoxM>Hi... do you know what is the value I have to pass to 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' if I want to use an US International layout?
20:07<shze>dont think that i'm on pure64
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20:07<themill>shze: dpkg-architecture
20:08<abrotman>what's the first line ?
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20:08<shze>themill: cant tell right now, i'm not in front of it and it doesnt have a network connection yet
20:09<shze>but i'll look and maybe use -686
20:09<abrotman>great time to ask questions :)
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20:09<shze>thank you!
20:09<themill>shze: look at the first line when you have a chance. i386 means you can use the -686 kernel quite happily
20:10<abrotman>oh duh .. it requires a blob
20:10<themill>abrotman: the firmware?
20:10<shze>themill: at DEB_BUILD_ARCH?
20:10<themill>shze: yeah
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20:11<abrotman>themill: isn't the firmware 32bit only ? so the 64bit kernel can't work with it ?
20:11<shze>abrotman: isnt the firmware run by the card directly?
20:11<themill>abrotman: dunno.... but I would have though the kernel didn't touch the firmware except to stuff it onto the card to run. It's firmware not binary regulatory daemon.
20:12<abrotman>ok fine .. NFC!
20:12<abrotman>go ask #debian-kernel
20:13<FoxM>hi. How do I install a US International keyboard?
20:13<shze>thx for your help
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20:21<VTommy>hello guys how can i put a script to load everytime the server starts like example start a server application
20:22<VTommy>i have been reading on rc.local but for some reason it's not loading
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20:23<dpkg>i heard init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local><runlevel>
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20:23<dondelelcaro>VTommy: see above; but yes, rc.local will work. If it's not, you're probably making an assumption about the environment which doesn't hold true when rc.local is run.
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20:24<[gloom]>Does anyone know a good personal diary application?
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20:24<themill>[gloom]: korganizer is great
20:24<[gloom]>I'm trying kdiary, within kontact, but it does not work fine:(
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20:26<[gloom]>themill: hi again. long time without being here:D Korganizer is not encryption/protection capable in the kdiary application, and moreover, i would like to export the entries to other format, in case i would like to change the platform in the future
20:26<[gloom]>any other app?
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20:27<themill>korganizer can do ical over https and it can export to ical or vcal. What more are you looking for?
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20:31<[gloom]>themill: I'd like some kind of privacy protection. Password protection or encryption
20:32<themill>[gloom]: on the calendar files on your local machine?
20:33<[gloom]>yes. This calendar is going to be on an external usb drive, to be portable and editable in multiple machines
20:33<VTommy>in rc.local do i have to do echo "<command>"?
20:34<themill>[gloom]: hmm... I don't know of anything that does that, other than encrypting the volume itself or using gpg on the individual file.
20:35<themill>[gloom]: you could just stick the ical file on an https web site...
20:36<[gloom]>themill: yeah. Having it online is an option. But i'm writing things that i don't want to be online. National security:D hahaha
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20:38<[gloom]>it seems difficult to find an app that does this simple thing. If I were't so busy, i will do 2 forms and a database file with encryption in short time.
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20:45<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: mostly because things that just do encryption are always better at it than things that don't.
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20:45<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: and it's trivial to use gpg to encode the file or encrypted loopback mounts, or similar.
20:47<[gloom]>yeah, at the end I think this will be the best option
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20:48<themill>drop a script onto the usb device that sets up the loopback mount for you automatically to save futzing with the syntax.
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20:55<[gloom]>ok, thx. i will try to do it
20:55<jaimealberto>Hi there!
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20:58<jaimealberto>Yesterday I upgraded my system and since then I'm having problems with my display...
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20:59<jaimealberto>the fonts are shown with random pixels missing and the same happens with the desktop icons when I move a window over them
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21:00<fbc>How can I restore the original apache2.conf??
21:00<jaimealberto>If I move a window slowly enough I can make the desktop icons disappear
21:01<[gloom]>fbc: maybe deleting the apache2.conf file and reconfiguring the package?
21:02<[gloom]>fbc: but i'm not sure. be careful:D
21:03<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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21:03<fbc>gloom, I tried dpkg-reconfigure but it didn't work...
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21:03<fbc>gloom, any other ideas??
21:03<fbc>RRet, hi.
21:03<themill>fbc: ^^ look at what dpkg just wrote. apache2.conf is in apache2.2-common
21:04<VTommy>anyonw know how screens are working?
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21:05<VTommy>well what i should say is anyone can explain to me how i can open a screen in a screen?
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21:05<jaimealberto>so... does anyone knows something about my problem with the new xorg version in lenny?
21:05<VTommy>i know there is a way
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21:05<jaimealberto>you know... about the pixels missing in the fonts and desktop
21:05<kurumin>oi de onde o que tem de novo
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21:06<fbc>themill, I tried apt-get install --reinstall apache2.2-common but it resotred everything but the apache2.conf
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21:06<[gloom]>fbc: should generate it again. Try themill's advice. are you looking in the right place?
21:07<RRet>jagerman, post error
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21:09<fbc>k thanks
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21:11<[gloom]>well see you later guys. Time to rest. Here is late night.
21:11<daniel_>I'm trying to follow the tutorial on: to install my nvidia drivers. Such as suggested in this channel. However, module assistant cannot find nvidia-kernel-source, even though non-free and contrib are added to sources.list
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21:19<Nemoder>daniel_: you are using lenny?
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21:21<Nemoder>"packages referred to by this guide will not be available on pure testing systems."
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21:22<daniel_>well, I tried changing to etch as well, but I couldn't find the package their either
21:22<Nemoder>daniel_: you can try manually installing the package from sid, but I don't know how well that will work:
21:22<daniel_>same goes for sid
21:23<daniel_>I mean, I added etch and sid repositories and it couldn't find the packet
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21:24<Nemoder>you shouldn't add more than one version of debian to your sources
21:24<daniel_>I didn't perform an upgrade or anything, I just wanted to get nvidia-kernel-source
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21:29<chealer>daniel_: nvidia-kernel-source is a pack*age*. you need to update your packages index after changing sources.list.
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21:30<daniel_>I did
21:30<daniel_>both apt and m-a
21:30<daniel_>brb anyway
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21:56<VTommy>anyone here can help me with awstats?
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22:02<filho>olá, alguem poderia tirar uma pequena duvida
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22:10<Laeborg>well now my ethernet works fine, widrone
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22:14<bgat>I'm running sid, just tried a dist-upgrade after not doing so for a week or two. Now I'm stuck because perl-base won't install, undefined symbol Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
22:15<bgat>anyone know how to fix this?
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22:20<csouthern>Could someone help try and figure out why i try to install one java package it has dependency problems and i got to install the dependancy and its got the dependencies of the file i tried to install in the first place
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22:21<csouthern>or just help me install java...
22:22<dave_>csouthern: what distro do you use?
22:22<csouthern>etch 4.0
22:22<acu>I have a Nvidia card and a amd64 laptop with 17 inch - since lenny updated the kernel to 2.6.24 I Icannot enter in gui anymore - I tried to recompile the driver for Nvidia - still not working - now even VESA mode does not more
22:22<dave_>jdk 6
22:23<csouthern>i tried to install this sun-java6-jre_6-06-1_all.deb but it needs sun-java6-bin_6-06-1_amd64.deb and vice versa so its like impossible to install
22:23<csouthern>it keeps saying it needs the other installed first
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22:23*csouthern shrugz
22:23<csouthern>its totally an oxymoron
22:24<dave_>get out of the sun .bin
22:25<mysupper>how can I build connlimit module for iptables? is there a package for that?
22:25<csouthern>so what do i need then
22:25<mysupper>or should I get source from netfiler site?
22:25<mysupper>msg dpkg connlimit
22:26<dave_>download of the sun and later you will need 2 files
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22:27<csouthern>huh ?
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22:28<dave_>before install libstdc++5_3.3.6-15
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22:28<csouthern>jdk-6u6-linux-x64.bin << ?
22:29<dave_>just i did
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22:31<dave_>for run your java program need add in /root/.bashrc
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22:32<chealer>mysupper: which Debian suite do you use?
22:32<csouthern>well i got bolth those programs
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22:37<mysupper>chealer / stable release.
22:38<mysupper>chealer uname -r shows me 2.6.18-6-686.
22:38<mysupper>chealer curious thing is there is already /lib/iptables/ but it doesn't work.
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22:41<mysupper>chealer I guess I should quit planning to use connlimit or upgrade kernel by myself substituting default kernel in stable release.
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22:47<chealer>mysupper: isn't a LKM. it looks like connlimit isn't in Linux 2.6.18.
22:47<mysupper>chealer that's right
22:48<mysupper>chealer I found /lib/iptables/ and I thought It will work automagically by inserting commands in my firewall.
22:48<mysupper>chealer I guess I have to do with some work with kernels.
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22:57<donny>hi all. i just configured a multiheaded display with xinerama enabled. afterwards i changed my gnome desktop background image, and now my gnome desktop won't start. where does gnome keep these options of mine? how can i change it back in lieu of a gui?
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22:59<mysupper>donny there's no relation desktop background and startx as far as I know.
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23:03<|>Oh noez...
23:03<Sindacious>Oh yez...
23:03<|>apt-get install libstalker
23:03<chealer>mysupper: oh, yes
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23:04<chealer>donny: #gnome may know better
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23:06<donny>mysupper: i'm using gdm, i'm really unfamiliar with how gdm starts X, so i have no idea whether or not the startx command is relevant
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23:09<rubi>hola busco a unchavo guapo con buenos sentimientos y q le juste mucho platicar de cosas divertidas
23:10<mysupper>donny if you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf (worked last time) , don't worry. do reboot or /etc/init.d/gdm stop and type startx in console.
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23:11<mysupper>donny gdm is a just interface daemon letting you go into gnome.
23:12<donny>mysupper: i'm pretty sure gdm let's me start any window manager or notional x session that it has a session description file for
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23:15<chealer>!tell rubi about es
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23:18<cyberthug>need some help anyone here
23:19<donny>cyberthug: the logical thing to do is probably to begin a one-on-one dialog with a single person by asking for 'anyone here' to help you. that way when you explain your problem
23:19<donny>cyberthug: there's a good chance they don't know the answer and you have to start all over again with someone else
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23:19<cyberthug>like who lol
23:20<cyberthug>anyway i need to change the USER_HZ in the kernel but dont know how to do it
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23:20<donny>cyberthug: do you have any idea why you think you need to change this?
23:22<cyberthug>i have a dedicated server and i run counter strike source on it and to get the fps up i need to change the USER_HZ to a 1000
23:23<donny>i'm not familiar with counterstrike specifically, but if it's not fundamentally retarded, minor timing discrepancies on the game server won't affect your rendering speed on game clients
23:23<qqsea>cyberthug: if so have to compile a new kernel
23:24<nevyn>donny: it really does need this.
23:24<cyberthug>says i dont if my kernel is 2.6 and higher
23:24<donny>nevyn: any idea why?
23:24<mysupper>cyberthug wasn't default value of USER_HZ in 2.6 kernel 1000?
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23:25<cyberthug>no 100
23:25<donny>cyberthug: if you can change this value at any time other than compile-time, there is probably an option you can pass to the kernel at startup to do it. i've never had to do this though
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23:25<nevyn>donny: because the server maintains state.
23:25<mysupper>cyberthug weired , my memory says 100 in 2.4 , 1000 in 2.6 by default.
23:26<cyberthug>this is where i got this from
23:26<nevyn>donny: only the server really knows where all the ingame objects are. clients send updates but blah.
23:26<cyberthug>right now i can only get 512 out of it
23:26<donny>nevyn: yeah, but modern FPSs and other low-latency network games interpolate between object states: and the *rendering* pipeline should be independent of the game *dynamics* pipeline
23:27<nevyn>donny: in cs I don't think it is.
23:27<donny>nevyn: so it wouldn't be his "FPS" that's ailing
23:27<donny>nevyn: well.. that would be retarded ;)
23:27<nevyn>donny: I didn't claim it was clever
23:27<nevyn>donny: also game event processing only happens in vblanks quite commonly
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23:28<donny>nevyn: i guess i set my standards by q3a :D
23:28<cyberthug>so how could i do this to set that option
23:28<nevyn>cyberthug: I thought we were moving to tickless kernels anyway. bleh
23:29<donny>nevyn: well so what about vblanks? there isn't *any* game processing to happen on the client-side, like.. the workload of FPS clients is very very low, save graphics-related duties
23:29<donny>nevyn: what's a tickless kernel?
23:30<cyberthug>i didnt mean to stir up a fight lol
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23:31<donny>cyberthug: ?
23:31<donny>cyberthug: no fight here, sir
23:31<cyberthug>lol ok
23:31<cyberthug>so how could i do this to set that option
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23:32<donny>cyberthug: if you're saying you can change your kernel's HZ constant without recompiling your kernel from source, you must know something no one else here seems to know :(
23:33<cyberthug>ok but it says here that you can
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23:37<donny>what bootloader is debian using these days? cyberthug, that's probably where you want to look for help. you can probably issue extra parameters to GRUB or whatever bootloader debian is using at startup before the kernel boots
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23:41*phillipsjk wonders if this is because windows, the original target platform of CS had a tick rate of 1000
23:41<cyberthug>i never recomplied a kernel before
23:42<nevyn>you need to recompile the kernel to change this.
23:42<nevyn>leave it be untill you've got everything else working
23:42<phillipsjk>"as of 09January2006 players will have problems on 100 tickrate servers" <- is that a clock roll-over problem?
23:43<nevyn>no. patch to the client most likely
23:43<donny>cyberthug: ah, after reading that wiki page, i see that it doesn't say you can change it without recompiling
23:44<cyberthug>yea i miss read it
23:44<donny>cyberthug: what it says is that in order to change the setting, you should run 'make menuconfig' but it doesn't tell you that this is something you'd do from the linux kernel source
23:44<cyberthug>is it hard to do?
23:44<donny>cyberthug: not really, just time consuming
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23:45<cyberthug>so if i just change that it wont hurt nothing
23:45<donny>cyberthug: the real issue might be that you'll have to recompile any kernel modules you depend on (drivers, mostly)
23:46<cyberthug>its just a basic install from the isp
23:46<donny>cyberthug: if you're not feeling up to the challenge, which is understandable, i recommend just installing a pre-built kernel or a linux distro that has already been tailored for your needs and tested with the server software you want to run
23:47<cyberthug>how can i do that?
23:47<donny>cyberthug: uh.. just find it, it probably exists, unless you're the ONLY person having this problem (which clearly you're not)
23:48<cyberthug>lol right
23:49<cyberthug>well thank you very much on the feedback on this if i need help ill be back
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23:50<donny>cyberthug: btw i recommend playing q3a with the Urban Terror full game modification. the q3a software is, apparently, much better than counter strike, it's open source, /and/ urban terror is an awesome game
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23:59<Laeborg>what is the easiest way to install mozilla firefox in debian etch?
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23:59<qqsea>Laeborg: apt-get install iceweasel
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23:59<Laeborg>iceweasel = firefox? :S
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