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---Logopened Fri May 09 00:00:04 2008
00:00<Laeborg>lol didn't know :S
00:00<Laeborg>then i don't need to install it :P
00:01<Laeborg>and then Icedove = firebird?
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00:02<phillipsjk>!why iceweasel
00:02<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information.
00:02<qqsea>iceape -netscape ?
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00:05<Laeborg>how do i install flash player 9?
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00:07<qqsea>Laeborg: apt-get install flash*
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00:09<qqsea>Laeborg: np
00:09<Laeborg>where can i get firefox/iceweasel to use /dev/dsp1 instead of /dev/dsp ?
00:10<qqsea>Laeborg: dunno
00:10<Laeborg>any way to rename dsp to dsp1 ?
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00:12<qqsea>ln -s /dev/dsp /dev/dsp1 , as root
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00:17<Laeborg>got a error
00:18<Laeborg>ln: opret symbolsk lænke '/dev/dsp1' til '/dev/dsp': Filen eksisterer
00:18<Laeborg>means: file exist
00:18<qqsea>Laeborg: ls /dev/ | grep dsp1
00:19<qqsea>ls /dev/ | grep dsp
00:19<Laeborg>dsp1 is the soundcard i use
00:19<Laeborg>the same two as before, but now dsp i also there
00:20<qqsea>so you have both ...
00:21<Laeborg>i don't use dsp, only dsp1
00:23<qqsea>maybe it's away to change that in cat /etc/udev/rules.d/
00:23<qqsea>but I dunno haw
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00:28<acu>what is the current kernel version is lenny on ?
00:28<alaya>Laeborg: you can set ALSA_OSS_PCM_DEVICE=hw:1,0
00:29<alaya>or try: asoundconf set-default-card
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00:29<alaya>man asoundconf for all options
00:32<acu>what is the last sid's kernel
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00:35<chealer>acu: Linux 2.6.24
00:36<chealer>!tell acu about pdo
00:36<acu>chealer: thanks - which 24 ? 24.1 24.2 or 24.3
00:38<acu>I have a HP AMD64 laptop with Nvidia and I cannot use the sistem at all - I used to have lenny but once I upgraded the kernel I cannot make the driver work anymore - I found something in internet saying tha t have solved the Nvidia problem
00:38<acu>oh great
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01:38<Slydder>morning all
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04:25<karnovich>hi all, does anybody knows a way to determine which kind of kernel (32b or 64b) am i using ?... uname -r or -a only give me a release name without any 32 or 64b reference ... am i oblije to deduce this from and ldd and look for any 64b library or is there another more proper way ?
04:26<karnovich>*an ldd
04:27<jm_>what does uname -m say?
04:28<petemc>uname -r should have it appended to the end
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04:29<karnovich>uname -a :
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04:30<jm_>surely uname -a says more than that
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04:30<the-dude>were did you get that kernel?
04:31<karnovich>...sorry :( it's not a debian kernel ... it's a local compile release ...
04:31<karnovich>and it gives just this and the date and archi i686 386
04:31<Gekz>thats 32bit...
04:32<the-dude>look at you .config
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04:32<karnovich>why Gekz ?
04:32<Gekz>karnovich: i686 is 32bit terminology
04:32<Gekz>and 386 = x86
04:32<Gekz>x86 != amd64
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04:35<karnovich>Gekz ... oki ... what would be a return on a 64b kernel ?
04:35<Gekz>amd64 perhaps
04:35<Gekz>I dont know.
04:36<Gekz>thats a 32bit return definitely
04:36<karnovich>oki ...
04:36<karnovich>txs ...
04:36<Gekz>someone spam me dpkg's information about building a kernel the Debian Way
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04:37<jm_>!tell Gekz -about kp
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04:42<Woet> version `GLIBC_2.4'
04:42<Woet>I need that
04:42<Woet>what package do I need?
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04:46<jm_>Woet: the one you don't want to install like this
04:46<Woet>someone needs that for GeoIP
04:46<jm_>rebuild geopi
04:46<jm_>geoip too
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04:47<Woet>Failed (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by plugins/GeoIP_Plugin))
04:50<Woet>so, how is the package called I need..?
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05:01<Woet>Failed (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by plugins/GeoIP_Plugin))
05:01<Woet>how to solve this?
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05:03<Jack6654>hey, my website has become inaccessable from outside of the network it's hosted on. The only thing that's been played around with is the ownership of the htppd.conf file, which was empty anyway. Anyone any immediate ideas as to why?
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05:17*cmot is looking for a query to find out if I have any packages installed where binary packages coming from the same source package are installed in inconsistent verisons.
05:17<cmot>Anyobdy did this already?
05:17<Woet>.... :+
05:17<Woet>oh, never mind, sorry.
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05:18<cmot>wuxian, asking me? because I like to have consistency there
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05:18<cmot>and because if I want to rebuild stuff, I don't like to hunt various versions of -dev packages to see which one fits
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05:19<cmot>(... and because on my systems, mixing (old)stable, testing, backports, sid, experimental and whatnot, a mikxup of versions happens quite quickly.)
05:20<cmot>(... and because sometimes dependencies are not tight enough. This was, e.g., the case with some versions of kde packages, where an older kdelibs-data could be installed but parts of kde wouldn't work right.)
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05:28<padski>cmot, (If I understood correctly) Debian dependencies are not intended to apply outside of the feed that they were packaged for, for pragmatic reasons.
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05:29<cmot>padski, so?
05:29<padski>"<cmot> (... and because sometimes dependencies are not tight enough."
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05:29<cmot>padski, I'm speaking of stuff happening between Debian itself (stable/testing/sid/experimental and perhaps backports)
05:30<cmot>dependencies there are supposed to work
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05:30<padski>cmot, sadly not. the dependencies on a package in lenny/sid are not expected to be correct for etch, for example.
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05:31<cmot>padski, do you have a reference for that?
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05:31<cmot>I certainly expect them to work. And since etch -> lenny must be upgradeable, there's a good reason for that.
05:31<padski>cmot, yes, give me a minute to find it.
05:31<cmot>(... and I certainly do take care not to violate this expections on the few pkgs that I maintain)
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05:33<cmot>wuxian, cat walking over your keyboard or what?
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05:46<cmot>not sure what statement you extract from that
05:47<padski>cmot, see above :-)
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05:47<cmot>Steve says something about dependencies failing in relation to unusual combinations of packages that might be installed. Nothing about the relationship between the various suites of Debian.
05:48<padski>cmot, look more closely, it is about exactly that.
05:48<cmot>The example Steve is making could be within, for example, stable, if php4 and php5-mysql installed, but for some reason the php5 environment is not set up correctly.
05:49<cmot>Anyway ... I originally asked a quite different question which is still not answered ... :-)
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05:49<padski>cmot, he says that there is no need to represent dependencies on php4 for packages going into lenny, because php4 will not be in lenny, and the extra complexity can make it preferable not to.
05:50<cmot>padski, yes, but the packages would still have to do proper dependencies (on php5)
05:50<cmot>so the lenny package wouldn't depend on php4 but would depend on php5.
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05:50<cmot>So if a recent enough php5 version is present in etch, the lenny package is still correctly installeable in etch
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05:51<cmot>q.e.d. :-)
05:52<cmot>(and to give a PHP example in such a discussion is just ... hmm ... PHP die die die!!!! )
05:52<padski>cmot, sure. the stated dependencies may only be a subset of what *could* work.
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05:52<padski>cmot, it did start from a concrete example :-)
05:52<cmot>But those dependencies that are stated are supposed to work over all of Debian.
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05:53<cmot>the don't have to be all-inclusive over all versions that might work.
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05:53<cmot>but they must exclude configurations that will not work.
05:53<cmot>mixing oldstable with testing is asking for trouble, however.
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05:53<padski>cmot, hehe.
05:53<cmot>but stable to sid/experimental is always supposed to work
05:54<cmot>Ok, back to the question I originally asked: anybody here has a script to find inconsistent versions of binary packages belonging to the same source package?
05:54<padski>cmot, I'm sure you know you can't pin much in before you are effectively running sid.
05:55<cmot>(some KDE versions allowed kdelibs-bin and kdelibs-data versions to be different but didn't work well)
05:55<cmot>padski, you'd be surprised... :-)
05:55<padski>cmot, which is a side-effect of the same thing.
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05:55<padski>cmot, lol
05:55<cmot>libraries are usually pulled in quite quickly, that's true, especially once a new libc6 has been pulled in. But mostly old applications run fine with new libraries.
05:56<padski>cmot, libc is the one, yes. and then other libraries follow that, which is when apps with non-trivial dependencies tend to start to go ...
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05:58<padski>cmot, and also, conversely, there is stuff that is just assumed and not enforced through the dependencies. so it is possible to end up with combinations that don't work.
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05:59<cmot>padski, those are bugs and need to be reported.
05:59<cmot>except, as I said, when it involves oldstable where it is debatable.
05:59<cmot>Personally I try to keep oldstable working and only drop oldstable-1
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05:59<padski>cmot, I think that some of them fall down the same hole as "why doesn't it depend on an x font server"
06:00<cmot>padski, because xfs is dead?
06:00<padski>cmot, thought there was a funny smell ;-)
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06:00<cmot>cmot, there is no app depending on xfs - but a working font configuration (local fonts or xfs) is assumed.
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06:01<cmot>padski, but that's something that you will never be able to enforce via package dependencies
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06:02<padski>cmot, exactly and there are examples of that where the underlying assumption crosses a release boundary. devfs->udev comes to mind.
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06:02<tenzind>hi, my keyboard has others keys like to start the media player, mail program etc. but they dont seem to work in Debian. Is it possible to configure their usage?
06:02<cmot>so. time for food.
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06:03<padski>tenzind, yes it is possible.
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06:04<tenzind>padski: can you point me to some docs on doing so.
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06:04<jm_>tenzind: lineakd and the likes will help
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06:04<lente>i have a question about sed. if i use echo 123§345§asb | sed -e s/§[0-9]*§[a-z]*$// everything is right but if the string contains a dot like echo 123§345§asb.3 | sed -e s/§[0-9]*§[a-z]*$// the result is "123§345§asb.3"
06:04<padski>tenzind, this is one of the many things that never sticks in my head. you could try googling for your model of keyboard and linux. perhaps a usb id.
06:05<padski>lente, what did you expect ?
06:05<tenzind>padski: ok .. thanks ..
06:05<padski>lente, sorry. yes, that is interesting.
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06:07<padski>lente, you have $ at the end.
06:08<jm_>lente: it works as it should
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06:08<padski>lente, you have $ at the end.
06:09<lente_>ok i see thx
06:09<lente_>i forgot about that
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06:11<padski>the weird thing is ... I'd swear that the first time I read it I just understood the regexp and only as I looked closer did it start to confuse me, until I understood it consciously. scary.
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06:13<padski>how do I type one of those symbols ?
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06:14<jm_>trivial with multi key
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06:16<padski>where is the "multi" key ;-)
06:16<jm_>where you configure it
06:16<jm_>xmodmap -pke|grep Multi
06:17<jm_>Option "XkbOptions" "compose:rwin"
06:17<jm_>something like that for me
06:17<padski>keycode 113
06:17<jm_>or xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key' &
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06:20<padski>ok, so my multi key is Shift Alt Gr ...
06:20<padski>ooh! I can type superscripts!
06:20<jm_>so <multikey> s o
06:21<padski>jm_, thanks that works! how do you know something like that though ? why s o
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06:24<jm_>maybe nicer list
06:24<padski>jm_, thanks this is brilliant! :-)
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06:26<themill>padski, jm_: I missed the start of this... how do you set that up? (i currently use AltGr+[,a to get ä (i.e. the key sequences aren't sensible, :a would be better for a-umlaut than [a....)
06:27<Gekz>so is the debian kernel patched in any way?
06:27<Gekz>or is it pretty much vanilla
06:28<padski>themill, xmodmap -pke|grep Multi
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06:29<themill>padski: keycode 113 = ISO_Level3_Shift Multi_key (still doesn't mean anything to me unfortunately)
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06:31<padski>themill, same here. 113 is AltGr on my keyboard, so to get Multi you would do Shift-AltGr, or you could put multi on another key.
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06:32<padski>themill, then I can type multi " a to get ä
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06:33<padski>have yet to find a way to type "I ♥ utf8"
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06:34<tenzind>xbindkeys worked for my multimedia keys :)
06:35<padski>Gekz, check the source
06:35<padski>Gekz, for one thing security kernels are patched.
06:36<padski>Gekz, and for another I think some license problems are patched out.
06:36<jm_>Gekz: it is patched
06:36<Gekz>that config
06:36<Gekz>I'm wondering how to use it with 2.6.26 source.
06:36<Gekz>it contains the comments
06:37<Gekz>the comments confuse me.
06:37<Gekz>and then this:*checkout*/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/config/i386/config.686?rev=11196
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06:43<jm_>make oldconfig
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06:56<tenzind>hi.. I did a fresh install of lenny and a dist-upgrade yesterday. Now i get a package/dependency error for exim like this : . What could be the problem..
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06:58<jm_>the problem is that exim failed to start
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07:01<tenzind>jm_: when i do a /etc/init.d/exim4 start .. it says "incompatible command-line option "
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07:01<jm_>tenzind: debug it
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07:02<tenzind>hmm ...
07:02<jm_>put set -x as 2nd line
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07:03<chealer>tenzind: did you check the BTS?
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07:05<tenzind>jm_: after set -x, starting exim gives this :
07:06<jm_>tenzind: which one of those is invalid?
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07:06<jm_>-bd -q30m '' '' ''
07:06<jm_>those last 3 look suspicious
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07:12<tenzind>chealer: no .. I did not
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07:25<tenzind>jm_: i used set -x on my other machine .. gives the same error when i restart exim manually.
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07:26<tenzind>but then on the second machine, there is no error when i do a aptitude install <pkg> like on the first machine
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07:26<gaara>i have microfon problem
07:26<gaara>with skype
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07:29<peyman>hi everyone, i get permission denied when accessing the sound device (mplayer something.mp3). to what group should i add my account?
07:29<peyman>it's already in the "audio" group, but any other?
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07:30<jm_>tenzind: find out if -bd -q30m are legal
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07:30<jm_>peyman: did you logout/used newgrp after adding user to group?
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07:31<darsie>Hi! Which man page describes the Xorg mouse options? man 4 mouse appearently not.
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07:32<peyman>jm_: oh, no
07:32<peyman>jm_: i didn't
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07:32<jm_>peyman: you have to
07:32<peyman>jm_: thanks :-)
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07:34<jm_>darsie: man 4x mouse
07:35<darsie>No manual entry for mouse in section 4x
07:36<jm_>do you have xserver-xorg-input-mouse package installed?
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07:38<darsie>jm_: yes
07:39<padski>dpkg -L xserver-xorg-input-mouse | grep mouse.4x
07:39<dpkg>No packages found matching xserver-xorg-input-mouse | grep mouse.4x
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07:41<darsie>ahh, man mousedrv seems to be it. thx
07:42<darsie>it also has the title mouse(4)?!
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07:43<darsie>man xorg.conf refers to mouse(4), but there seems to be a file conflict.
07:44<padski>darsie, on my system mouse(4) is a different page: "serial mouse interface", not "Mouse input driver"
07:45<darsie>padski: Yes. But do 'man mousedrv'. At the top of the man page it says mouse(4).
07:45<padski>No manual entry for mousedrv. this is on etch.
07:45<darsie>etch is ... stable?
07:46<padski>darsie, etch is also known as stable
07:46<dpkg>it has been said that testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages
07:46<darsie>I have lenny.
07:46<padski>darsie, and it sounds like you may have found a bug.
07:46<darsie>ok, I'll report it.
07:48<padski>darsie, on etch mouse.4 is in the manpages package. is there one on lenny ?
07:49<gaara>how to install flash plugin on testing version coz with apt-get install flashplugin-nonfre it cant find such package
07:49<dpkg>[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
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07:51<gaara>padski, thats the site im lookin at the moment ...
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07:53<padski>gaara, I confess I have run into the same conundrum. is it in sid ?
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07:54<gaara>i cant understand you
07:54<gaara>erKURITA, herE?
07:55<padski>gaara, it is in sid
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07:56<gaara>padski, what is sid ?
07:56<padski>flashplugin-nonfree is in sid.
07:56<gaara>i dont know what is this "sid"
07:57<dpkg>sid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>"
07:57<jm_>padski: man 4x mouse on Etch
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07:58<padski>jm_, but man 4 mouse on lenny ?
07:58<jm_>padski: apparently man 4 mousedrv on Lenny
07:58<padski>the best laid plans ...
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08:07<gaara>padski, so what does mean that it is in sid? i ain goona have flash plugin?
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08:10<padski>gaara, my guess: it won't ever be in testing again but testing users can install it from sid.
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08:37<themill>padski: hey, that multi thing works nicely. Thanks :)
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08:44<schlurchz>Hi, I find that the gconf key /apps/gnome-power-manager/dim_on_idle has no effect, it is *always* dimmed when idling.
08:44<schlurchz>Is this a known bug? Any workarounds? I'm running Etch.
08:45<padski>themill, I just leant it myself from jm_. I am similarly pleased :-)
08:45<schlurchz>Google suggests that g-p-m and/or the DPMS handling in xorg may be broken.
08:46<themill>padski: :) I'd discovered a few AltGr+letter codes myself but they were a long way from intuitive. Multi seems much better.
08:46<jm_>schlurchz: you can achieve the same via xset command
08:47<schlurchz>jm_: you mean instead of configuring g-p-m to what I want?
08:47<jm_>schlurchz: yes to see where the problem see
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08:47<themill>jm_: thanks to you too, I guess :)
08:47<schlurchz>jm_: xset q says all timeouts are zero.
08:48<schlurchz>g-s-s is configured to a idle timeout of 60 seconds.
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08:48<Woet>how to synchronize the date/time of my server?
08:48<Woet>for GMT + 1
08:48<schlurchz>and g-p-m dims the screen after 60 seconds, although configured not to do so.
08:49<jm_>themill: no worries
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08:49<jm_>schlurchz: so set them manually
08:49<schlurchz>jm_: so, what do you suggest to debug this? disable/kill g-p-m and play with xset?
08:49<yang>Woet: aptitude install ntp
08:49<yang>jm_: hello !
08:50<yang>Woet: and dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
08:50<pgimeno>The package python-pyopenssl claims to be a dummy package in Etch, yet it contains a bunch of files. Is this a bug?
08:50<jm_>schlurchz: just keep g-p-m running and test it now
08:50<jm_>schlurchz: ahh I misunderstood - I thought it does not blank while it should
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08:51<schlurchz>jm_: no the opposite.
08:51<jm_>schlurchz: but you said you have screen saver configured? perhaps it's that one doing it?
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08:52<schlurchz>jm_: to my understanding, g-s-s determines the idle timeout. that's fine.
08:52<schlurchz>jm_: then, it tells g-p-m about it....
08:52<schlurchz>jm_: and g-p-m should *not* dim the screen because it's not configured to do so
08:53<schlurchz>jm_: as of gconf key /apps/g-p-m/dim_on_idle
08:53<schlurchz>jm_: so it's a bug.
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08:55<schlurchz>I guess I'll have to disable this whole idle stuff because it's just broken.
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08:56<jm_>schlurchz: could be, I don't use the thing so I shall not comment any further
08:56<schlurchz>jm_: lucky you :-)
08:57<schlurchz>jm_: my impression is that this whole power management stuff is horribly broken.
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09:00<schlurchz>padski: thx :-)
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09:01<AsterX>which proxy software is most recomended for novice?
09:01<schlurchz>padski: although I'm not speaking about hardware/driver problems, but internal logic.
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09:01<AsterX>http proxy
09:01<schlurchz>padski: which is somewhat even worse, I think.
09:02<padski>AsterX, I hear squid is popular
09:02<AsterX>padski, ???
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09:03<gaara>fuck :( i have problems with installing kde4-workspace :(
09:03<padski>AsterX, they seem to have funky new graphics.
09:03<gaara>anyone with the same problem ?
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09:04<AsterX>padski, squid is same as squid-cache?
09:04<padski>schlurchz, bugs want to be reported, extra marks for patches ;-)
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09:04<padski>AsterX, apt-cache show squid
09:04<schlurchz>padski: hmm. I'll try with my unstable box at home to check if it's still there.
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09:05<AsterX>padski, thanks
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09:05<schlurchz>padski: it has been reported in the ubuntu bts:
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09:06<schlurchz>although I'm not sure it's the exact same problem there.
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09:07<AsterX>my debian tell sme I have new mail, what should I use to read mail ?
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09:09<NinjaMan>AsterX: balsa
09:09<NinjaMan>AsterX: if you are in X
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09:09<AsterX>no, I'm command line
09:10<NinjaMan>AsterX: mail
09:10<AsterX>NinjaMan, how do I instal it. use it?
09:11<AsterX>apt-cache show mail does not work
09:11<NinjaMan>AsterX: what happens when you type the command - it should be installed
09:11<AsterX>it's not installed
09:12<gaara>i have one package who need kdebase-runtime and kdelibs5 but they are already installed why output tell me that it need to be installed :(
09:12<NinjaMan>AsterX: I'm not sure which package it belongs to
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09:13<jm_>use mutt instead
09:13<NinjaMan>AsterX: possibly bsd-mailx
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09:16<NinjaMan>AsterX: yes mutt is also a good option
09:16<eliasporto>quero ver as fotos do desenho do Gogu
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09:19<NinjaMan>hi sas67
09:19<sas67>hi ninjaman
09:19<sas67>i need bit of help
09:19<NinjaMan>sas67: sure, what's up
09:19<sas67>i want to delete some files from my database
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09:20<sas67>thru terminal
09:20<NinjaMan>sas67: what database are you using?
09:20<sas67>but i went to where they are located
09:20<sas67>i think
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09:20<NinjaMan>sas67: is your database running now?
09:21<NinjaMan>sas67: try ps -aux |grep mysql
09:21<NinjaMan>sas67: to check that it is mysql and that the mysql daemon is running
09:22<sas67>says bad -syntax
09:22<NinjaMan>sas67: sorry without '-'
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09:22<zepard>jm_, hi
09:23<zepard>jm_, I am back with my first OWN BUILT kernel
09:23<sas67>ok,did it
09:23<sas67>but im noob,so god know what it means
09:23<jm_>zepard: does it help any?
09:23<zepard>jm_, it works now
09:24<jm_>zepard: right, good catch
09:24<NinjaMan>sas67: do any of the lines show /usr/sbin/mysqld ?
09:24<zepard>jm_, I just copied the conf file and activated the deprecated procfs for battery
09:24<sas67>yes ninja
09:24<jm_>zepard: yeah that's the wasy way for newbies
09:24<zepard>jm_, thanx for help
09:24<jm_>zepard: enjoy
09:24<NinjaMan>sas67: ok good - so you are using mysql
09:25<NinjaMan>sas67: next step look in the file /etc/mysql/my.cnf
09:25<sas67>using torrentflux as front end client
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09:25<zepard>jm_, but now, at every update on kerbnel I should rebuild the whole thing
09:25<jm_>zepard: why?
09:25<zepard>jm_, it takes me ~"3 hours" to compile
09:25<NinjaMan>sas67: for the 'datadir' directive - this will tell you where the database is located
09:26<NinjaMan>sas67: what is torrentflux?
09:26<jm_>zepard: you can compile it on some faster machine if you have one
09:26<sas67>flux is a front end ui for bittornado
09:26<sas67>bitTorrent client
09:26<zepard>jm_, if a security update (related with kernel) is out I should rebuild the kernel no?
09:27<NinjaMan>sas67: so when you say you want to delete a file from mySQL
09:27<NinjaMan>sas67: you mean a bittorent file? rather than a mySQL DB file?
09:27<jm_>zepard: yeah but that usually doesn't require that you rebuild everything, you just apply the patch and run make again - not sure how this works with make-kpkg though
09:27<sas67>yes ninja m8
09:27<jm_>zepard: I have to run now, enjoy the weekend
09:27<sas67>orry for the confusion
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09:28<NinjaMan>sas67: ok so presumably torrentflux doesn't store the torrent itself in the database, just details of the torrent, right?
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09:29<sas67>saves all the files
09:30<NinjaMan>sas67: that would seem unusual, but in any case I doubt that you can delete it by going into the mysql database directory
09:30<NinjaMan>sas67: doesn't torrentflux, provide a way to do this?
09:30<NinjaMan>sas67: it probably requires removing entries from multiple tables
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09:31<sas67>can normally delete from within flux
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09:31<NinjaMan>sas67: is there an error?
09:31<sas67>but i was also running utorrent on same server and the files also saved in same db
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09:32<sas67>but deleted ut but flux wont delete files that were d/l'd with utorrent
09:32<sas67>no error,just wont delete
09:32<NinjaMan>sas67: have you tried deleting it with utorrent?
09:32<sas67>not got utorrent on server anymore
09:33<sas67>dleted wine/utorrent
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09:33<NinjaMan>sas67: your best way to avoid trouble is to re-install wine/utorrent and use it to delete from the mysql database
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09:33<NinjaMan>sas67: btw - how did you get a wine/utorrent combination to use a mysql database?
09:33<gaara>whyy i try to install package and it sais it have dependencys but the depend.. are installed :(
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09:34<sas67>i didnt set it up
09:34<sas67>but it did work
09:34<sas67>on linux server
09:35<NinjaMan>sas67: it is very hard to tell you what is the correct thing to do - because I have never heard of a wine/utorrent combination using mysql
09:35<NinjaMan>sas67: I didn't think it was possible
09:35<sas67>it is,m8 uses it all the time
09:35<sas67>i maybe moving servers soon,so i may just wait
09:36<NinjaMan>sas67: ok sorry I can't help - maybe someone else has more experience with this
09:36<sas67>thanx anywy m8
09:37<NinjaMan>sas67: yw
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09:40<Gekz>can a module be built with module assistant for a kernel you arent currently running?
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09:43<AsterX>what's the regular expression for "does not start with #"
09:44<AsterX>"!^#" ?
09:44<Gekz>!^\# afaik
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09:54<southernc>anyone know an easy way to install flash plugin for mozilla i remember there was a way to use a 32 byte emulation but cant remember exactly how to do it
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09:58<gaara>does anyone have idea why -
09:58<rostedt>AsterX: for what product? In sed/perl it would be "/^[^#]/
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09:58<AsterX>rostedt, using grep
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09:58<AsterX>trying to get into linux
10:00<rostedt>AsterX: grep '^[^#]' Works for me
10:00<Gekz>I am so tired.
10:00<Gekz>I finally got 2.6.25 to work on my eeepc
10:00<gsimmons>gaara: Ask about the experimental packages in #debian-kde.
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10:03<the-dude>Gekz: thats not so hard
10:04<gaara>they are all afk :(
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10:08<AsterX>isit possible to use grep with nano ?
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10:08<rostedt>AsterX: no idea
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10:09<Gekz>the-dude: when you have 5KB/s internet and you need the kernel headers and wifi drivers, its ahrd
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10:09<Gekz>especially when your neighbours internet keeps dropping out
10:10<AsterX>how can I stop apt-get upgrade ?
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10:10<themill>If it's just downloading still then yes, with ^C
10:11<AsterX>and what about downlaoded files?
10:11<dpkg>i heard pts is
10:11<themill>AsterX: I wouldn't.... you'll be left in a nasty state
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10:12<AsterX>huh? I did ^C
10:12<AsterX>it stoped, what nasty state am I exactly now? lol
10:12<rjent>Greetings, where would one look for official support contracts for debian installed servers?
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10:14<gsimmons>!tell rjent -about consultants
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10:15<AsterX>!tell AsterX -about consultants
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10:17<Gekz>AsterX: next time /msg dpkg consultants
10:17<Gekz>or you'll get botsmacke
10:17<the-dude>Gekz: were did you need the kernel headers for?
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10:18<Gekz>the-dude: building madwifi modules
10:18<Gekz>ndiswrapper modules
10:18<Gekz>atl2 modules
10:18<`Brandon>do i really have to download all 22 cds or will netinst.iso give me a choice of all features?
10:18<Gekz>`Brandon: the latter.
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10:19<Gekz>whats the sad face for
10:19<Gekz>you can win with the netinst.iso
10:19<`Brandon>ah ok hehe
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10:20<Ridwan>tau lah mam
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10:21<the-dude>Gekz: didn't it work with the stockkernel?
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10:22<Gekz>the-dude: .. no
10:22<Gekz>kernel modules.
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10:23<the-dude>isn't is supported in 2.6.24
10:23<nick01>s/sid/contrib/source/Sources.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch
10:23<nick01>how do I fix that ?
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10:24<nick01>after apt-get update
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10:33<dave_>how to configure the time !
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10:34<gaara>right click on the time and ajust date &tame
10:34<nick01>is there a debian tool to change the apt mirror ?
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10:37<dave_>The time is delayed every time i turn on my laptop
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10:37<leikh>How can I prevent curl from chopping off after first blank space in url? curl -k " is my message chopped off after Why?"
10:37<gsimmons>nick01: You might be interested in the 'apt-spy' or 'netselect-apt' packages.
10:37<themill>dave_: by a fixed amount? (e.g. 1h or 2h) or just by a few seconds or minutes?
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10:37<themill>leikh: spaces need to be URL encoded too
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10:38<leikh>themill: can I tell curl to do that?
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10:39<nick01>gsimmons, what about a tool that lets me chose the mirror I want ?
10:39<themill>leikh: umm.... I guess not, if it's not doing it with that command. You can try man curl to look for options. You will need to URL encode any "special" characters for the GET string.
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10:40<leikh>themill: ok, I see
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10:41<themill>leikh: if it's just spaces you're worried about, then you can use either a bash substring replacement or sed to change them to a +
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10:42<nick01>gsimmons, Hash Sum mismatch I get stuff like that
10:42<themill>leikh: But you should also encode other things like % etc too. I don't know of a command line tool that does that, but both perl and php certainly have functions that can do that for you.
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10:43<dpkg>hmm... debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see, or
10:43<leikh>themill: it's actually php that executes curl, so I guess I'll just leave it up to php to replace spaces with +
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10:44<themill>leikh: But why call curl from php?
10:45<nick01>southernc, tks, but what do I edit to change the mirrors ? sources.list seems to be created from files elsewhere or am I mistaken ?
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10:45<southernc>lol i wasnt even taling to you but i can help you
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10:45<southernc>just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
10:45<southernc>or open synaptic
10:45<leikh>themill: trying to set up an sms-interface for mobilephone without java (voipbuster)
10:45<southernc>and edit mirrors
10:46<gaara>erKURITA, here?
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10:46<nick01>southernc, just weird that mirrors that are missing from sources.list are checked by apt-get update- that suggests config files elsewhere too- looking in synaptic
10:46<southernc>nick01: that what you wanna know ?
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10:47<southernc>no there read from sources.list in /etc/apt/
10:47<southernc>thats where it reads all your current mirrors
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10:47<nick01>southernc, in sources.list there are only contrib repositories and yet main ones are checked too
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10:48<southernc>or you can edit them the gui with the package manager by typing synaptic in console
10:48<marycarmen>Hello, anybody knows how to install a program in the cellphone?
10:48<DF_BS>mary .. hello
10:48<DF_BS>what type of phones
10:48<leikh>themill: works like a charm :) thx for your help
10:48<nick01>southernc, k, changing in synaptic
10:48<themill>leikh: yeah, I can see that. But you can call curl libraries from within php ( or you can use fopen directly on a URL like that (
10:49<southernc>nick thats because you never added any other repositories
10:49<leikh>themill: works with ssl?
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10:49<southernc>you just have the default ones
10:49<southernc>and make sure to comment out the DVd or cd ones
10:49<DF_BS> oppps
10:50<DF_BS> any body from germany?
10:50<dave_>themill: I need a server for time?
10:50<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see, or
10:50<nick01>southernc, don't think so cause the error came from main on the ftp which was not listed in sources.list thats whyI said it was weird- anyway changed ftp now and I get the same error grrr
10:50<nick01>southernc, never had cd/dvd sources- I used netinstall
10:51<themill>leikh: I believe so. Certainly the curl interface should and the fopen one *should* with caveats about talking to IIS, I believe. Ask the php people directly for further details if the manual doesn't answer your questions.
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10:51<themill>!tell dave_ about ntpdate
10:51<leikh>themill: I'll look into that. Thx again
10:51<themill>dave_: laptop clocks wander all the time... ntp or ntpdate helps keep them in check.
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10:52<southernc>not sure what you mean
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10:52<nick01>southernc, finally found a local ftp that doesnt give those Hash Sum mismatch errors
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10:56<nick01>aptitude tells me debian-faq is in conflict with doc-debian- anybody knows whats that about ? and which one should I remove ?
10:57<dave_>themill: I'm going to see
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11:06<erKURITA>gaara I am now
11:07<gaara>yee dude :) i reinstalled debian.. can you tell me again the dns :)
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11:07<erKURITA> and
11:07<gaara>:)))))) tnx
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11:14<eternalswd>how do I disable the "It Works!" from coming up in apache2 on testing?
11:14<gaara>erKURITA, have you experience of installing kde4?
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11:14<erKURITA>nope. I'm pro-Gnome
11:14<cahoot>eternalswd: create you own page?
11:15<eternalswd>the location is /usr/share/apache2/default-site but I couldn't find it in any of the config files in /etc/apache2
11:15<eternalswd>cahoot, it over-rides
11:15<gaara>ok then can you tell me i wnt to instll somethin but it sais it have dependencies .. but these dependencies are actually installed
11:15<erKURITA>eternalswd search for "DocumentRoot" in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
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11:18<eternalswd>httpd.conf is empty, the primary config file is /etc/apache2/apache2.conf which calls the site configuration files. There is only one site called default. Its DocumentRoot is /var/www. I only have an index.php file in there. If I go to http://localhost, it brings up "It Works!". Going to http://localhost/index.php bring up what I want.
11:19<erKURITA>html has priority over php
11:20<ranix> /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
11:20<eternalswd>I have no html file in /var/www, the file is located at /usr/share/apache2/default-site/index.html and I want to know how to disable it
11:20<erKURITA>delete it?
11:20<erKURITA>or rename it?
11:21<ranix>eternalswd: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
11:21<ranix>eternalswd: edit what is in here
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11:22<eternalswd>ranix, I already checked there. There is DocumentRoot /var/www which I want, and no RedirectMatch, which is why I came in here to see if anyone know.
11:23<[machine]>eternalswd: remove the line RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ from /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
11:23<ranix><Directory blah> is what you're looking for
11:24<ranix>eternalswd: grep for apache2-default in that file if you can't find what [machine] is talking about, or google for a guide. It's very easy to figure this out
11:25<eternalswd>ranix, I greped all the files in /etc/apache2 and no mention of it.
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11:27<[machine]>changelogs indicate that apache2 no longer redirects (in unstable/testing)
11:27<erKURITA>eternalswd then grep for "It works!"
11:28<erKURITA>from root
11:28<erKURITA>the file has to be somewhere
11:28<ranix>how about pasting your 000-default to pastebin
11:28<ranix>that will be easier than blind shooting
11:29<eternalswd>the html file is /usr/share/apache2/default-site/index.html
11:29<pleb2>eternalswd nano your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default, remove alias and directory for "/usr/share/apache2*"
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11:29<pleb2>eternalswd, any other files in your sites-enabled folder?
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11:30<ranix>eternalswd: do you have a /var/www/, and if so, what is in that folder
11:30<pleb2>any alias / directory lark at the BOTTOM of your apache2.conf file
11:30<pleb2>ive seen that before
11:30<[machine]>from the changelog:
11:30<[machine]>Don't ship default files in /var/www, but copy a sample file to
11:30<[machine]>+ /var/www/index.html on new installs. Also remove the now unneeded
11:30<[machine]>+ RedirectMatch line from sites-available/default.
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11:31<eternalswd>I deleted the /var/www/index.html I only have one file /var/www/index.php
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11:31<pleb2>eternalswd can you pastebin your /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
11:31<ranix>eternalswd: is this site accessable from the internet, if so, can you link it
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11:31<eternalswd>ranix, no, it's not
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11:32<ranix>eternalswd: what is the address bar file name of the it works page when you view it in a browser
11:32<ranix>eternalswd: index.html?
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11:33<eternalswd>ranix, if I go to http://localhost it takes me to "It Works!" If I go to http://localhost/index.html I get a 404. If I go to http://localhost/index.php I get what I want
11:34<meglaw>now thas some bizzar shit
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11:34<ranix>what about index.htm
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11:34<[machine]>eternalswd: i just installed apache2 into a testing environment... with index.html i get it works, without, i get a directory listing, if i enable index.php as a valid index page, i get that
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11:35<eternalswd>ah, how do i enable index.php as a valid index page then?
11:35<erKURITA>inside apache2.conf
11:35<erKURITA>I can't recall the tag, but it should include index.htm/l
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11:36<pleb2>etenalswd DirectoryIndex index.php
11:36<[machine]>mods-available/dir.conf: DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.php index.xhtml index.htm
11:36<pleb2>eternalswd: add this line under <Directory /var/www> in your 000-default folder
11:36<pleb2>DirectoryIndex index.php
11:37<pleb2>you will have to stop and restart apache2 to apply the changes
11:37<pleb2>"/etc/init.d/apache2 restart"
11:37<pleb2>without "
11:37<[machine]>modifying dir.conf will explicitly make apache look for index.php for all virtual hosts as an alternative to index.html
11:38<eternalswd>[machine], I've already got index.php in there
11:38<pleb2>eternalswd, you need to make the change to your 000-default file under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
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11:38<pleb2>to include the line: DirectoryIndex index.php
11:39<pleb2>then restart apache2
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11:39<ranix>the correct solution is to put index.php in mods-enabled/dir.conf
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11:39<eternalswd>ranix, it's already in there
11:39<ranix>/etc/init.d/apache2 restart
11:40<eternalswd>rather it was already in there.
11:41<[machine]>ranix: typically mods-enabled/dir.conf is symlinked to mods-available
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11:41<eternalswd>I still get "It works", even after adding to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default as pleb2 suggested. And I did restart apache2
11:41<[machine]>eternalswd: i can't recreate your problem on a fresh install of apache2
11:41<cahoot>flush the browser cache?
11:42<ranix>yeah this might be a browser problem
11:42<ranix>are you using iexplore or something bizarre
11:42<eternalswd>it appears to be working now after a second refresh.
11:42<eternalswd>no, iceweasel
11:42<ranix>congrats, eternalswd
11:43*[machine] laughs
11:43<pleb2>glad to hear it
11:43<eternalswd>thanks for the help all, that was a completely weird issue
11:43<pleb2>ctrl + F5 FTW!
11:43<[machine]>in essence the default config would have done the trick, but we were beaten by client side technologies :)
11:43<ranix>that's like my boss asking why he can load the 50 meg .flv he put on our company's webpage in 2 seconds but it takes his friends in florida 40 minutes
11:44<pleb2>i helped someone
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11:45<pleb2><3 apache
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11:46*gaara plays Armin van Buuren feat. Sharon den Adel - In And Out Of Love
11:46<noflash>gaara, don't do that
11:46<gaara>noflash, im sorry
11:46<cahoot>gaara: turn off scripts
11:47<gaara>i made this in one other network
11:47<noflash>see ;)
11:47<gaara>but.. ame works for all networs i guess :(
11:48<fxiny>not in Liberty City network :P
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13:00<hrack52>anyone know much about iptables?
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13:00<Laeborg>any good shoutcast clients for debian?
13:01<hrack52>xmms2 has a plugin for it
13:01<hrack52>apt-cache search shoutcast
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13:09<danielsh>Hi. I'm getting error 99 from lilo at boot. manpage says "99 invalid second stage index sector". How can I fix it?
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13:13<phillipsjk>if it was worxing before, re-running lilo should fix most things.
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13:15<danielsh>and if it didn't work before? (and I've already rerun lilo)
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13:16<danielsh>(well, it worked at some point in the distant past. But it didn't work recently)
13:16<phillipsjk>How old is your hardware?
13:17<danielsh>right now -- pentium 800MHz... could you be more specific?
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13:17*phillipsjk is thinking 8.4 GB barrier
13:17*danielsh hasn't heard of the 8.4 GB barrier
13:18<phillipsjk>THis would be a BOIS limitation from ~1998
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13:19<danielsh>the boot partition within the first 1GB of the disk... if that's what you mean
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13:22<danielsh>possibly relevant: I'm running on a rescue cd now... and it calls my disk sda1. but Debian calls it hda1.
13:22<southernc>800 mhz Good god
13:22<danielsh>so I had to do s/hda/sda/ on lilo.conf before I ran lilo...
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13:23<phillipsjk>Try runnig fdisk and select 'v' verify partition table?
13:23<southernc>throw that thing out
13:23<danielsh>not my day to day machine :)
13:23*danielsh runs fdisk
13:23<southernc>i would hope not
13:23<southernc>ide have to call you one cheap bastard (:0P
13:23<danielsh>southernc: please, once I'm running I'd be happy to chat with you. But not now
13:24<danielsh>phillipsjk: two lines: "Logical partition 10 not entirely in partition 2" "1254386 unallocated sectors"
13:24<phillipsjk>-Well, that is your problem then.
13:25<danielsh>should I delete partition 10 then? it is unused
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13:25<phillipsjk>the unallocated secors add up to ~60 MB
13:25<fxiny>is a 1024 cylinder limit not a 8G
13:26<fxiny>98 hd were 4G big
13:26<danielsh>so, 60MB wasted space...
13:26<fxiny>i have one
13:26<phillipsjk>fxiny: you saying lilo can bypass that particular limitatin on my machine?
13:27<fxiny>phillipsjk: yes , use a boot partition
13:27*phillipsjk does
13:28<danielsh>phillipsjk: what should I do now?
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13:28<fxiny>but why lilo ?
13:28*danielsh hasn't fully understood which of fdisk's complaints should be dealt with first.
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13:29<phillipsjk>delete partition 10 if unsed (re-create it if you wish), write the partiton table to disk, re-run lilo.
13:29*danielsh deletes partition 10 ... what phillipsjk said.
13:29<phillipsjk>The wasted space is only a warning.
13:30<danielsh>ok. I deleted partition 10 and run 'fdisk v' again.
13:30<danielsh>now it only complains of unallocated sectors
13:31<phillipsjk>sounds good
13:31<danielsh>I ran lilo again...
13:31<danielsh>phillipsjk: thanks; I will reboot now and be back in a few minutes
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13:40<WillyWillens>jmd hier der ne ati graka mit 2 monitoren mit unterschiedlicher aufloesung benuzt?
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13:40<WillyWillens>wenn ich auf bigdesktop umschalte --dtop,horizontal...
13:40<WillyWillens>dann verschwindet der 2te monitor
13:40<WillyWillens>klonen geht...!?
13:41<WillyWillens>verschwindet = er wird schwarz und schaltet in den standby
13:41<phillipsjk>Ich spreche nicht gut deutch.
13:41<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:41<WillyWillens>anybody here using ati videocard and 2 monitors with different resolutions?
13:41<WillyWillens>hi, i have an ati card and two monitors, lcd from notebook and crt, with different resolutions, i started ubuntu, installed the ati drivers and had a clone monitor view, then i maked big desktop and the crt was black
13:41<WillyWillens>now i cannt go back to the clone view also
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13:42<fxiny>ubu ?
13:42<WillyWillens>debian the same
13:42<WillyWillens>using both
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13:43<donny>WillyWillens: this isn't #ubuntu
13:43<WillyWillens>i m on debian lenny
13:43<WillyWillens>yeah i use bothe
13:43<WillyWillens>and have the same problem
13:44<phillipsjk>which driver?
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13:45<WillyWillens>fglrx from the repos
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13:46<panagos>is there a program that displays RAM usage of all processes in a pie chart?
13:46<danielsh>phillipsjk: here? still error 99
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13:46<donny>panagos: why do you need a pie chart?
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13:46*phillipsjk hides
13:47<panagos>donny: for a better visualisation :)
13:47<danielsh>phillipsjk: :)
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13:48<danielsh>anyone else? summary: lilo error "99 invalid second stage index sector".
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13:49<fxiny>why lilo ?
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13:49<danielsh>fxiny: because that's what I've had installed until now.
13:50<danielsh>fxiny: if you suggestions that don't involve lilo, I'm listening.
13:51<fxiny>danielsh: i'm not using it since ages but there was some bug/limitation , dunno if now has been fixed , could be
13:52<fxiny>danielsh: so is that is a 98 bios? where is the boot partitions ?
13:53<danielsh>98 as in 1998? don't think so...
13:53<danielsh>(but haven't checked)
13:53<danielsh>root partition is first partition on first disk.
13:53<danielsh>Debian calls is hda1. The CD I'm booting from calls it sda1.
13:54<danielsh>and several other partitions (swap, /home, etc.)
13:54<danielsh>right now it's 1 HD, 1 OS, simplest I could set up
13:54<danielsh>(and the CD is supposed to be hdd)
13:55<fxiny>what debian flavour are you installing ?
13:55<fxiny>i never looked back to lilo
13:55<danielsh>I have 'testing' installed and trying to make it boot again
13:56<danielsh>that hda1 is completely within the first 2GB (if I get the fdisk output right)
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13:59*danielsh downloads grub. Worth a try.
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14:01<phillipsjk>/sbin/lilo -q - query map (maybe delete /boot/map?)
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14:01<danielsh>phillipsjk: ok
14:02*danielsh checks lilo(8) to find out what's -q
14:02*danielsh understands that the command is just 'lilo -q' and the rest is punctuation.
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14:03<fxiny>danielsh: i'd boot from a floppy grub using the cli to sort that problem out
14:03<danielsh>fxiny: I've tried reinstalling both lilo and grub from the CD I'm on. Got some complaint from the latter and didn't investigate further then.
14:04<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
14:05<danielsh>fxiny: thanks; but it won't work until I first *set up* grub, right?
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14:05<danielsh>phillipsjk: what to look for in `lilo -q` output?
14:06<fxiny>danielsh: i wouldn't install grub . if lilo was booting i'd investigate further , i would just use a grub floppy first
14:06<fxiny>yo make sure is a lilo problem
14:06<phillipsjk>No idea actually. (hoping for interesting error messages)
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14:07<danielsh>nothing on stderr
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14:07*danielsh reads `lilo -q -v` now
14:07<Menthol34>is it a french channel ?
14:07<fxiny>lilo had some problems in the past , can't remember atm
14:08<danielsh>phillipsjk: "Boot device will not be used for the Map file" ?
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14:09<dpkg>methinks fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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14:11<Menthol34>sorry for my english
14:12<Menthol34>on a laptop without ethernet
14:12<phillipsjk>danielsh, I'm using grub as well, so I am going from the man page.
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14:12<Menthol34>how many cd do i need to make an install until i can use usb connexion ?
14:13<phillipsjk>does your lilo.conf specify some kernel images that are not present? optional
14:13<phillipsjk> Omit the image if it is not available at map creation time. This is useful to specify test kernels that are not always present.
14:13<danielsh>lilo.conf specifies two kernels and both are present.
14:14<danielsh>meanwhile, I've downloaded grub... I'll try that now
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14:16<phillipsjk>danielsh, Yes, maybe grub will run now that we fixed your partition layout ;) fixy has a valid point as well: If lilo is reasonably reliable, why would grub work when lilo doesn't?
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14:17<danielsh>phillipsjk: do you have a pointer for me how to set up grub? Nothing in /usr/share/doc
14:18<phillipsjk>Menthol You mean use USB as a network connection? THe first CD has (even the net install version) should have some USB drivers.
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14:19<phillipsjk>!tell danielsh about fixmbr
14:19<danielsh>phillipsjk: thanks, fxiny already sent me that
14:20<danielsh>no config files to change, then? just run the command the bot wrote?
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14:22*danielsh installs grub now.
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14:23<phillipsjk>... it may "autoprobe"
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14:24<danielsh>yes, seems it did.
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14:25<danielsh>phillipsjk, fxiny: thanks for now; rebooting now and will try the CD after that
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14:25<danielsh>(I tried it before but couldn't figure how to get a *reasonable* shell)
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14:26<ranix>what is a reasonable shell
14:26<ranix>rsh does not stand for 'reasonable shell'
14:27<phillipsjk>tab-completion FTW!
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14:27<Menthol34>re salut
14:27<Menthol34>j'ai mis le cd 1 en charge
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14:28<phillipsjk>doskey functionalliy (command history) doesn't hurt.
14:28<Menthol34>et maintenant je fais deux trois essais pour me connecter avec ma freebox en usb sur un pc qui est habituellement en ethernet
14:28<Menthol34>j'ai mis le cable mais rien n'est détécté !
14:29<Menthol34>je regarde sur la free box pour voir si il faut activer quelque chose
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14:29<phillipsjk>methol34, I'm not sure if linux supports a network connection over a USB cross-over cable.
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14:31<Menthol34>sorry i thought i was on the french channel
14:31<Menthol34>thanks a million
14:31<Menthol34>thanks phillipsjk
14:32<ranix>why wold you use crossover usb when ou can use ethernet
14:33<Menthol34>someone gave a laptop but not the cable between pcmcia and rj45
14:33<Menthol34>and hard to find pcmcia in those times
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14:34<NinjaMan>Menthol34 - I'm pretty sure you can do it with the right kernel modules, but obviously both computers need to be capabale
14:35*phillipsjk finh evidencd USB netwoking is supported.
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14:36<NinjaMan>philipsjk - you beat me too it
14:36<phillipsjk>Mentol you probaly need to chose the "expert" installation to use odd-ball network setups.
14:36<Menthol34>but my linux is evne worth than my english
14:36<Menthol34>so hard
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14:37<phillipsjk>NinjaMan, Yes, but your comment didn't have spelling errors :P
14:37<ranix>your english is better than my french
14:37<ranix>I think google translates better than me
14:37<Menthol34>thanks for the expert choice i'll try it soon
14:38<Menthol34>i connected two computers in usb
14:38<Menthol34>nothing appears
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14:39<NinjaMan>many moons ago I use to have historical command completion at my bash prompt, does anyone know how to get it back? - I use to be able to type in the 1st few letter of a command I had used previously and then press a button to cycle through the matching commands I had used in the past
14:39<phillipsjk>Menthol34, the expert installation defaults to the same things, but gives you extra options that can be confusing to novice users.
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14:45<danielsh>(1) when I do what fixmbr says, the busybox mount says "unknown option %c" for %c in '-', 'b', 'i', 'n', 'd'
14:45<danielsh>(2) I installed grub without the installer cd (through the rescue cd booting to the existing installation); instead of error 99
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14:45<danielsh>I just got a screenful of "GRUB GRUB GRUB .... "
14:47<phillipsjk>NinjaMan, I don't know offhand, but you may want to look into ~/.bashrc
14:47<fxiny>NinjaMan: C-r
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14:50<phillipsjk>danielsh, maybe it is time to replace your hardrive. try the (slightly dangreous if misstyped) "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null" command. Specificly, watch for read errors.
14:51*danielsh tries, carefully.
14:51<ranix>dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda
14:51<ranix>that would be very ugly
14:51<phillipsjk>you don want to mix up the InputFile and the Output File ;)
14:52<danielsh>if=/dev/null is harmless, though...
14:52<danielsh>no read errors
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14:52<ranix>it finished?
14:52<phillipsjk>danielsh, It finished already?
14:52<danielsh>no, I stopped it by Ctrl-C
14:52*danielsh runs it again.
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14:53<fxiny>danielsh: have your changed your bios configuration lately ?
14:53<NinjaMan>fxiny: thanks - that puts me into reverse-i-search - what keys do I use to navigate through the results set?
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14:53<ranix>have you summoned any demons, or spoken ill of the wikimedia foundation?
14:53<danielsh>fxiny: except for telling it which hard disk to boot from, no; and right now only one hard disk is attached
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14:54<danielsh>I did 'svn revert -R /etc' three weeks ago... does that count?
14:54<danielsh>I reinstalled almost all packages since then....
14:54<phillipsjk>daniel: you mean BIOS- drive re-ordering?
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14:55<danielsh>phillipsjk: there's a "Boot order" there, which has drop-downs listing "CDrom, HD1, HD2", etc.
14:55<danielsh>but now I removed HD2
14:55<danielsh>previously I tried to boot both HD1 and HD2, so I played a little
14:55<danielsh>but only that setting.
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14:57<phillipsjk>Ok. Linux and BSD don't honour BIOS- based drive swapping.
14:57<danielsh>dd still running.... in 512-byte blocks
14:57<phillipsjk>daniel: it can take up to an hour.
14:57<danielsh>phillipsjk: right now there is only one drive, fortunately
14:57<danielsh>(ok, I'll wait...)
14:58<danielsh>note that (as I said before) what Debian calls hda the rescue cd I'm booting now from calls sda... complicates things a little
14:58<fxiny>danielsh: i believe you played with your bios settings , and after that lilo failed like grub does now
14:59<fxiny>is not a lilo or grub problem
14:59<danielsh>fxiny: I only changed the "Which HD to boot from today?" BIOS setting
15:00<fxiny>danielsh: how does it detect your hd ? auto ?
15:01<danielsh>fxiny: "auto"? what is the other option?
15:01*danielsh didn't understand the question
15:02<fxiny>danielsh: feed gmail with "grub grub grub"
15:03<phillipsjk>google you mean?
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15:04<fxiny>NinjaMan: i don't use too much history completion or C-r search cause i use a .bash_eternal_history taken from :
15:05<fxiny>phillipsjk: yes yes : google :)
15:05<danielsh>ah. makes sense now.
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15:05<j00bar>dondelelcaro: ping?
15:05<huobo>etch comes with php 5.2.0. Like 3 days ago, 5.2.6 was released with security fixes, will that be updated and sent to security updates? or the next debian release? If the formor how long if the later, is it advised to just download the source and compile it?
15:06<dondelelcaro>j00bar: ?
15:06<j00bar>dondelelcaro: pm?
15:07<avu>huobo, security fixes are integerated into the debian package
15:08<avu>huobo, but the version number is not increased
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15:08<fxiny>danielsh: i though , first , yours was a lilo old problem which i still can't remember , but if grub can't boot and you are having at the same time some partitions overlapping or messed up , it can be a bad bios setting
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15:08<avu>huobo, see /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz for information about what got integrated already
15:09<danielsh>fxiny: I've fixed that partitions issue
15:09*danielsh opens the link.
15:09<danielsh>phillipsjk: are the "..." literal? (guess not?)
15:10<huobo>avu ok thanks, do you know why the version number i snot increased? just security changes are added but not the new features if there are any?
15:10<NinjaMan>fxiny: thanks - I will check it out
15:10<avu>huobo, exactly
15:10<fxiny>NinjaMan: np , i like ethernal history
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15:12<phillipsjk>daniel w3m says: redirection loop detected.
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15:13<danielsh_>phillipsjk: iceweasel redirects me to ...hardware-18/ (without the trailing bits)
15:14<rjent>if I want to get an image of a drive to put on another drive is the following correct dd if=/dev/sd(x) of=file.img and then to put the image on a new drive dd if=file.img of=/dev/sd(x) ?
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15:19<danielsh_>phillipsjk: ok, I read the link. I miss the point though; it talks about reordering, but right now I only have one hard disk plugged in (except the cd drive) -- could reordering still happen then?
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15:21<vovo4ka>hi everyone!
15:21<vovo4ka>anybody try LACD anticheat with wine on debian?
15:22<phillipsjk>anti-cheats are bad news in general. They compromise the users' security ostensibly to "level the playing field."
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15:25<phillipsjk>daniel: I wolud double check all you setting to mack suer nothing "weird" is happening. EI: are you telling the BIOS to boot from the first drive, is the drive set as the master on the primary controller.
15:26<danielsh_>phillipsjk: once dd finishes I'll reboot and check the bios
15:27<southernc>are the Jumpers set correctly on the HD
15:27<phillipsjk>I remeber reading a nice explanation of why BIOS reordering does not work as expected, but can't find it.
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15:28<danielsh_>southernc: at boot the HD is listed in the correct slot (primary master);
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15:28*danielsh_ looks at the other HD to see what the jumper's position means
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15:29<southernc>yea but like i just had this stupid thing where my bios does do 3.0 gs a sec so i wasted like 3 hours and all it was was the damn jumpers had to be set to 1.5 g a sec
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15:29<danielsh_>southernc: still writing...
15:30<danielsh_>the jumper is in the "across" position (not shortening any pair of legs), and the writing on the second hd says this setting is fine by default
15:30<danielsh_>I *will* set it to 'master' once I boot, thanks for the reminder
15:30<southernc>of course i wasnt here for your initial problem so i havent a clue what your trying to do
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15:31<danielsh_>southernc: brief summary: lilo gives error "99 invalid second stage index sector"; installed GRUB; grub's error message is a screenful "GRUB GRUB GRUB ...."
15:31<Rodrigotuga>because and what the creators of the operating system linux do not make one more I practice type those of the mircrosoft? it was very good
15:31<danielsh_>southernc: setting: single HD as primary master, single CD, no other drives, no other OS's.
15:32<danielsh_>southernc: running on a rescue CD that calls that drive sda, whereas debian thinks it's hda.
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15:32<southernc>this doesnt sound like that kinda problem sounds more like a bootloder problem
15:32<southernc>you try reinstalling the bootloader
15:32<phillipsjk>southernc, he did. twice.
15:33<danielsh_>twice during this conversation.
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15:34<danielsh_>the dd output (I'm stracing it) has almost zero readable text, by the way...
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15:35<southernc>a bit difficult without actually being there
15:35<danielsh_>s/without/with or without/, believe me.
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15:35<southernc>i mean to understand yopur problem
15:35*phillipsjk found the article of re-ordering he was looking for...
15:35<southernc>im sure your not having fun lol
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15:36*danielsh_ reads phillipsjk's link.
15:36*southernc doesnt and goes and takes a piss
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15:37<danielsh_>it's the freebsd installation manual. :) I read it once... (and I don't remember anything)
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15:37<southernc>i hated there instraller you have to switch disks like 40 times
15:38<fxiny>i had frebsd and a red hat installed on a 4G hd : good fun
15:39<danielsh_>I don't recall that... (I installed it on a VM once)
15:39<phillipsjk>the story in the box is relevent.
15:39<danielsh_>phillipsjk: when I reboot I'll double check that the BIOS doesn't swap disks.
15:39*danielsh_ just reached the box.
15:39<fxiny>yeahh check the bios
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15:40<acu>hi guys - is sid running on
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15:42<danielsh_>re the story in the box: I had the same issue when I tried to move the Debian installation from one HD to another
15:42<danielsh_>very quickly I learnt (1) touch /$NAME_OF_DISK to tell them apart; (2) don't trust output of 'mount' when it comes to what is mounted as /.
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15:45<danielsh_>is there a way to tell how much 'dd' has already done?
15:45<danielsh_>(for the dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null that's in the background)
15:46<dondelelcaro>danielsh_: send it a USR1 iirc.
15:46<dondelelcaro>(though that assumes it still has a terminal that it can output to)
15:47<danielsh_>dondelelcaro: it does; thanks
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15:47<phillipsjk>danielsh, Yo ucan safely stop it.
15:48<danielsh_>dondelelcaro: thanks; worked
15:48<danielsh_>phillipsjk: ok
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15:49<danielsh_>so now I'll reboot, and check jumpers and bios swap settings...
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15:52<phillipsjk>dondelelcaro, were can I find a description of USR1?
15:52<dondelelcaro>phillipsjk: it's in the manpage of dd.
15:52<dondelelcaro>phillipsjk: USR1 is just a signal.
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15:55<phillipsjk>so it is. (I was looking at the kill man page)
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15:58<phillipsjk>I hate it when I get some stupid transfer rate below ~1MB a second, and have no idea how log its going to take.
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16:30<danielsh>ok, continuing: (1) I don't see anything unexpected in the BIOS settings.
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16:31<danielsh>(2) the hd was jumpered to 'single' (it is single). when I jumpered it to 'master' the bios wouldn't recognize it (before bootloader stage; right after the memory test stage, it would print "Primary master: none")
16:31<danielsh>any ideas?
16:32<cyberthug>new mother board'
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16:32<danielsh>(BTW: thanks a lot to everyone for their help; I've learnt a few new things already)
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16:37<BobSchmidt>Does anyone know of a good inventory control program for products sold at a store, I just want an inventory list, with out the accounting side.
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16:40<ozdeb>hi all
16:40<phillipsjk>danielsh, set it back to snigle. The drive may be experting a slave device if set to master.
16:40<danielsh>phillipsjk: I did set it back to single -- it wouldn't boot otherwise!
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16:41<ozdeb>I am having a really weird problem. I can see a website on Iceweasel and Konqi but not with epipany... the website is
16:41<ozdeb>can anyone help and check it ?
16:42<cyberthug>i see it in firefox
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16:42<ozdeb>cyberthug, me too, can you check with epiphany ?
16:43<danielsh>anything else I can try? (except reinstalling the OS...)
16:43<cyberthug>im in windows
16:44<phillipsjk>ozdeb in w3m I get:--FRAME--
16:44<cyberthug>safari werks too
16:45<ozdeb>phillipsjk, it doesn't mean allot to me... all I know it works with epiphany-webkit and with epiphany-gecko i see white frame...
16:45<ozdeb>phillipsjk, do you know if it is a yahoo problem ? my site ? my browser ?
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16:45<phillipsjk>ozdeb: that is the literal rendering.
16:46<ozdeb>phillipsjk, I am sorry, but can you explain more /
16:46<danielsh>w3m looks good... I *was* looking for a text-mode browser
16:48<aptituz>ozdeb: works for me
16:48<ozdeb>phillipsjk, I looked in the w3m browser. The page get stuck on the frame which is suppose to direct forward.
16:48<Ouroboros>what do you call this syntax: foo=${bar%:*}
16:48<phillipsjk>danielsh, I prefer lynx, but I don't have it installed ATM. (due to technical issues, It is essentially stalled at HTML 3.2 support)
16:49<ozdeb>aptituz, did you look on epiphany ? my problem is only with epiphany geko
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16:49<aptituz>with epiphany
16:49<danielsh>phillipsjk: lynx was the first I tried, never understood its interface
16:49<phillipsjk>obdeb, Instead of seenig a nice, informative page, I get two links. The yahoo one seems slightly broken.
16:50<ozdeb>aptituz, well then I guess I have some cache problem...
16:50<ozdeb>phillipsjk, with w3m or epiphany ?
16:50<aptituz>ozdeb: seems to happen quiet often with epiphany :/
16:50<aptituz>ozdeb: i had some weird caching problems with epiphany, forcing me to switch to iceweasel again =(
16:51<ozdeb>aptituz, you can use epiphany webkit .
16:51<ozdeb>aptituz, it's nice :-)
16:51<ozdeb>thanks for your help
16:51<phillipsjk>ozdeb. w3m. I am not installing epiphany because my computer can't handle gnome.
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16:52<aptituz>i disabled all caches via about:config, (re)started epiphany, emptied cache and it still happened that it cached a redirect of a site, while the redirect wasn't there anymore
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16:52<danielsh>phillipsjk: any other ideas? anywhere else I could ask?
16:52<aptituz>very annoying
16:52<danielsh>aptituz: proxy?
16:53<ozdeb>phillipsjk, I think this is some kind of caching problem. But I am not familiar with w3m
16:53<aptituz>danielsh: nope
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16:54<pcc>I have a machine not connected to the internet but I can transfer files between it and a connected machine (both debian) using a usb key (this is a temporary arrangement to get the network drivers installed). was there a way of making apt-get easier to manage in such an arrangement?
16:54<phillipsjk>danielsh, well useing the "never believe the customer" line of reasoning, double check that you did not infact use some type of BIOS reordering option. I dobult you have the bootloader misconfigured because you thried a clean install of a different one.
16:56<danielsh>the "clean install" could be an issue. I never used GRUB before, so I might have misinstalled it :(
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16:56<danielsh>other than bios bad settings, any other ideas?
16:56<danielsh>(while I'm here)
16:56<danielsh>(i.e. not rebooting.)
16:56<dave_>compiz-fusion on etch
16:57<phillipsjk>dave_ is that a question? (I see no verb)
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16:58<dave_>well how install
16:59<dave_>how install compiz-fusion, i have etch 4.0
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17:00<chealer>dave_: you don't. compiz fusion is just a set of compiz plugins.
17:01<dave_>my graphics vido card is
17:01<dave_>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE C hipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
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17:01<pcc>how do I get dpkg -l not to truncate the package name?
17:01<dave_>chealer: how set compiz plugins!
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17:02<Gathond>pcc: put COLUMNS=200 in front of it
17:02<chealer>dave_: what is your native language?
17:02<Gathond>or less, depending on how long you think the maximum name is
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17:02<pcc>Gathond: thanks
17:03<dave_>spanish, but you know so much!
17:03<chealer>dave_: did you try #debian-es?
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17:03<dave_>here is better!
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17:07<phillipsjk>chealer he seems to be asking for a pagkage available for lenny and sid, but not etch (not even backports)§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=compiz-fusion
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17:09<phillipsjk>dave_ do you have "compiz" - OpenGL window and compositing manager installed?
17:09<dave_>i don't have
17:12<phillipsjk>"apt-cahce search compiz" will shaw you the availble packages to install. Chealer seems to have suggested "compiz-plugins"
17:13<phillipsjk>*"apt-cache search compiz"
17:13<dave_>i go!
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17:14<dave_>apt-cache search compiz
17:14<dave_>compiz - OpenGL window and compositing manager
17:14<dave_>compiz-core - OpenGL window and compositing manager
17:14<dave_>compiz-dev - OpenGL window and compositing manager - development files
17:14<dave_>compiz-gnome - OpenGL window and compositing manager - GNOME window decorator
17:14<dave_>compiz-gtk - OpenGL window and compositing manager - Gtk window decorator
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17:14<danielsh>Thanks all, good night.
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17:17<phillipsjk>dave_ I don't know exactly what those packages do. Do you want compiz to REPLACE or work with your existing Window Manager?
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17:19<phillipsjk>If you want it to wark WITH your EXISTING window manager, I'm guessing you want one of the "Window decorator" packages.
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17:35<rosa>hola Tobias92
17:35<Tobias92>Hey rosa
17:35<Ouroboros>how can i determine what is causing "busy" errors when doing "mount -o remount,ro" ?
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17:36<Ouroboros>or alternatively, is there a way to force the operation
17:36<rosa>buena noche ¿como lo llevas?
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17:37<martn>A simple question :: how to lauch a command on a remote computer (by shell) in a way that it continues executing if I close the shell?
17:37<phillipsjk>Ouroboros, That usually means that some process is using some file on the decive.
17:37<Ouroboros>phillipsjk: i understand that, i fact i think its some apt/dpkg caching service
17:38<Ouroboros>i need to some way to get around this problem
17:39<qqsea>martn: use " && "
17:39<Ouroboros>what i am doing is this: mount -o remount,rw /foo; rsync something to /foo; mount -o remount,ro /foo;
17:39<suiside>martn: command &, nohup, screen, pick your poison
17:39<Ouroboros>sometimes this fails though because something accesses /foo in that interval when its /rw
17:40<phillipsjk>It would'nt be your shell would it? ;)
17:40<Ouroboros>no, i am not entering it
17:41<Ouroboros>i am trying to reproduce the problem under vmware so i can experiment with it in a more convenient manner, unfortunately its not happening there
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17:44<Ouroboros>i wonder if it has something to do with being a USB partition on the real machine...
17:44<rosa>¿alguien me podria decir donde poder chatear en español?
17:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:51<Ouroboros>apt-get/dpkg will unpack the package to a temporary dir first, correct? is there a way to do the unpack and the actual install as separate operations?
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17:53<ifvoid>Ouroboros: you can unpack by hand
17:53<yuri_>!log #debian 50
17:54<ifvoid>Ouroboros: dpkg -x
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17:54<ifvoid>Ouroboros: and I'm not sure if dpkg unpacks to a temporary directory
17:55<ifvoid>Ouroboros: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
17:57<Ouroboros>ifvoid: i am running on a unionfs between a read-only flash partition and a read-write tmpfs.... the problem is that i cannot apt-get large packages because they exceed my RAM size :(
17:57<Ouroboros>well, ultimately i will have more RAM
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17:58<Ouroboros>for now i am trying to figure out an easy way out
17:58<ifvoid>but you won't be able to install those large packages on tmpfs anyway
17:58<ifvoid>unless you make a large swap partition
17:58<Ouroboros>exactly, thats the problem
17:58<ifvoid>just make a swap partition
17:58<ifvoid>should be pretty efficient
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17:58<Ouroboros>the whole point is to avoid modifying the flash until the very end
17:59<ifvoid>the kernel will figure out which files are acccesed often, and only keep those in mem for the tmsfs
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18:01<Ouroboros>well, i think i can figure this out, the more interesting question is why the remount,ro is failing
18:01<Ouroboros>is there no way to get a list of open files or programs accessing them through /proc or something?
18:03<ifvoid>Ouroboros: lsof
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18:03<Ouroboros>ah great
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18:06<Ouroboros>ok brb, need to reboot for this
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18:26<wosu>Hi !, i am looking for the lastest (~2.6.24 ) stable kernel for debain etch on a laptop (core 2 duo centrino). i tryied to compile by myself the 2.6.25 but it cannot mount my sdaX
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18:47<[gloom]>hi there
18:47<[gloom]>Is there an app similar to parallels that using core2duo virtualization allows to boot simultaneusly windows and linux?
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18:52<avu>[gloom], kvm for example
18:53<avu>[gloom], allthough it's not really an 'application' but a kernel module which it used by a modfied qemu in userspace
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18:54<[gloom]>but kvm is not similar to vmware?
18:54<avu>it's simlar in the sense that it's also a virtualisation-thingie of sorts :)
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18:54<[gloom]>I mean, i'm not looking for a virtual machine, that slows the peformance. AFAIK parallels make every OS run on the native hardware
18:54<avu>but it does not software virtualization, it fully relies on the CPU
18:55<avu>kvm itself is just an in-kernel hypervisor
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18:55<[gloom]>so it boots the linux kernel, and then makes a userspace and a virtualized system space to boot he windows partition, isn't it?
18:56<avu>no idea what you mean by 'userspace and virtualized system space'
18:56<avu>it acts as a hypervisor.
18:56<nick01>anybody here using rtorrent ?
18:56<[gloom]>yeah ok, i don't know the real terms:D I kind of imagine what it does. And I'm looking there's another one called xen. Any differences?
18:57<ifvoid>nick01: I do
18:57<avu>[gloom], xen is a different kind of beast
18:57<avu>[gloom], it's a bare metal hypervisor
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18:57<nick01>ifvoid, in the man page it says ^q to quit rtorrent- what the heck do they mean ? to get ^ I must use alt + 3 here and alt + 3 + q does nothing
18:58<avu>nick01, by ^ they mean Ctrl
18:58<ifvoid>nick01: ^ means the control key
18:58<ifvoid>nick01: so ^q == ctrl-q
18:58<avu>[gloom], it runs directly on the hardware
18:58<nick01>ifvoid, avu I see tks that worked much better :)
18:58<avu>[gloom], it's its own OS for some possible values of OS
18:58<ifvoid>nick01: please file a bug about this if it isn't clean
18:59<avu>[gloom], so even the 'main' operating system runs managed by the xen supervisor
18:59<ifvoid>nick01: this is an issue that the developers probably haven't realized of that it it a problem for new users
18:59<ifvoid>^ as control is really unix jargon
18:59<[gloom]>and which is better in performance terms? Which one would you recommend to try?
18:59<avu>[gloom], it's a nice solution for server systems
18:59<nick01>ifvoid, yeah :)
19:00<avu>[gloom], for servers I'd still go with xen, just because it's more proven and has some features kvm still lacks
19:00<avu>[gloom], for the desktop, xen is not really a viable solution in most cases
19:00<avu>[gloom], for example, 3d acceleration is not available even in the 'main' OS using xen
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19:00<nick01>ifvoid, does it create its config file somewhere in my home dir or I must create one ?
19:01<ifvoid>it creates ~/.rtorrentrc, iirc
19:01<ifvoid> Delen Citigroup te koop door crisis 121
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19:01<nick01>ifvoid, not here
19:01<nick01>ifvoid, and I mean it doesnt make that file in my home dir :)
19:01<ifvoid>~/.rtorrent.rc, sorry
19:01<avu>yeah, it doesn't
19:01<avu>you have to create the config
19:01<ifvoid>avu: does here
19:02<avu>if you don't, it just runs with the default values
19:02<ifvoid>maybe I created it myself in the past
19:02<ifvoid>couls be
19:02<[gloom]>avu: aha. I'm going to use it on my laptop. It would be nice to use the VS2003 without rebooting each time:(. So i think I will try kvm. Have you tried it? Does the host OS(xp) run smoothly? Any notable difference between the virtualized xp and the real (normal boot) one?
19:02<[gloom]>sorry, by host I wanted to mean guest:D
19:02<avu>[gloom], most noticable difference is that you have less ram obviously
19:03<[gloom]>yeah, obvieusly. But in a machine with 2gb of ram, vs2003 "should" run more or less:D or less
19:03<[gloom]>although only 1gb is available to the windows os
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19:05<[gloom]>avu: thanks a lot for the explanation. I will try it. See u later
19:05<avu>good luck
19:05<avu>I'll be off to $pub then :)
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19:08<nick01>ifvoid, is working_directory the same as download directory ?
19:08<ifvoid>nick01: no, it's the dir from which you started the program (typically your home dir)
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19:09<nick01>ifvoid, so how do I set the download dir in the config file, in the man it says -d directory
19:09<ifvoid>directory = /scratch/Bt
19:10<nick01>ifvoid, tks
19:16<nick01>ifvoid, one last one :) how do I add a torrent ?
19:16<ifvoid>nick01: backspace
19:16<ifvoid>nick01: or enter, if you don't wat it to start automatically
19:16<ifvoid>then ^d to stop, ^s to resume, and ^d to remove a stoped torrent
19:17<ifvoid>the keybinding are a bit .. uhn... obscure
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19:20<nick01>ifvoid, hmm- almost forgot- does it have support for blocklists ?
19:20<ifvoid>no idea
19:20<nick01>k :|
19:20<ifvoid>most of those blocklists are pretty dumb anyway
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19:21<ifvoid>if I would be working for the MPIAA, I wouldn't use an domain
19:21<ifvoid>but just a regular dsl connection
19:21<nick01>ifvoid, yeah but I have much better speed inside the country so they're useful for me
19:22<ifvoid>nick01: bittorrent will use faster connections anyway
19:22<ifvoid>nick01: there's really no need for blocklists
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19:34<Ouroboros>well, i did 'lsof' once the partition reports busy for "mount -o remount,ro", but there are only files open in 'txt' and 'mem' mode, which i think are read-only programs and libraries
19:34<Ouroboros>is it correct that those would prevent setting ro?
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19:40<NinjaMan>ifvoid - why do you feel there is no need for blocklists?
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19:42<ifvoid>NinjaMan: because the blocklists block stupid hosts
19:42<ifvoid>NinjaMan: if I would work for a movie company to find illegal file sharers, I would not use any known domain
19:42<ifvoid>I would just get a couple of normal DSL connections
19:42<Ouroboros>ifvoid: would such evidence be admissible?
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19:44<NinjaMan>ifvoid: I don't think the laws around "entrapment" would allow them to work in that manner.
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19:45<ifvoid>Ouroboros: why not? Would depend on your local law
19:45<NinjaMan>ifvoid: at least not in terms of serving files
19:45<ifvoid>Ouroboros: for example, data gathered in the US is not admissable in Europe
19:46<ifvoid>but it has nothing to do with the type of connections you use
19:46<Ouroboros>on other hand, the standards for evidence are much laxer in civil trials
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19:49<Ouroboros>ifvoid: btw, i got the packages installed... turns out they only needed about 300 MB of space, which i could habdle after resizing the tmpfs
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19:50<Ouroboros>and there was a brief moment when i ran gnome with like 8 MB of RAM... must be some kind of record
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19:52<southernc>that musta been awfull
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19:53<Ouroboros>it was basically completely frozen
19:55<southernc>speaking of gnome
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19:55<southernc>anyone had a problem where they would minimize a window and it would be gone unless you used alt+tab to get it back but its not on the titlebar below
19:56<ifvoid>southernc: gnome?
19:57<southernc>it like doesnt show up in the panel its just hidden
19:57<southernc>quite anoying
19:57<ifvoid>you probably don't have the correct widget in yhou rpanel
19:58<ifvoid>rightclick on it and add a window list
19:58<southernc>yea your right
19:58<southernc>stupid gui's (:0P
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20:00<csouthern>that was cute
20:01<Ouroboros>hm, so if there are programs with open files, there is no way to force a remount,ro?
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20:01<csouthern>there is but it wouldnt be smart to do
20:02<Ouroboros>cant hurt to try
20:02<csouthern>yea it can lol
20:02<ifvoid>Ouroboros: afaik, that should always work
20:02<Ouroboros>i dont think anything is actually using it in read-write mode
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20:02<Ouroboros>ifvoid: i can see how it would fail if there were files open in read-write mode
20:03<ifvoid>it will just error in write
20:03<Ouroboros>well, its giving me "busy"
20:03<Ouroboros>perhaps its a different reason, i am not sure
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20:04<Ouroboros>csouthern: what is the method of which you are thinking?
20:05<csouthern>umount -f
20:06<Ouroboros>thats only for umount, not mount -o remount, only works with NFS, and i already tried it :)
20:06<csouthern>well if you could get it to unmount it would be the same as remounting
20:07<Ouroboros>i cant unmount it because there are things using it in read-only mode, but this should not prevent remount,ro
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20:08<southernc>well if its that big of a deal why not just restart it lol
20:09<Ouroboros>southernc: you missed the first part of this discussion... i have a script that does the following: mount -o remount,rw /foo; rsync /bar /foo; mount -o remount,ro /foo;
20:09<Ouroboros>this works most of the time, only the rsync copies a lot of files/takes a long time
20:10<southernc>your right that brings on a totally different thought
20:11<southernc>so are you trying to make basically a raid of two disks ?
20:11<Ouroboros>this is not actually a problem since nothing will be modifying /foo anyway, but a little unclean
20:11<Ouroboros>southernc: more like snapshots to flash using unionfs
20:12<Ouroboros>it actually works pretty well, except for this minor issue and also the problem with tmpfs needing RAM
20:12<ikon>hello, anyone know why my eaccelerator not run... the install pass ok but nothing... i try to install eaccelerator, on recompiled php, possible ??
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20:13<southernc>yea sorry Ouroboros not gonna be much help to ya in that depo
20:14<Ouroboros>i am just gonna give up
20:14<southernc>well i wouldnt do that
20:14<Ouroboros>shrug, its good enough
20:14<southernc>its in human nature to make things faster , better , more efficient you have to abide by human Evoloution :)
20:16<Ouroboros>sure, but sometimes you need to give up and go play some SC or something
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20:16<southernc>SC ?
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20:17<southernc>oh people still play that lol ?
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20:18<Ouroboros>heh, i just played it a little while ago in preparation for SC2 (might have been premature)
20:18<Ouroboros>but i hear its big in korea
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20:19<southernc>i never could get the hang of those rpg type game much more of a first person shooter myself
20:19<Ouroboros>but yeah, i do mostly FPS as well
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20:20<southernc>im still hooked on on cs 1.6
20:20<Ouroboros>me ET, but i keep uninstalling it because otherwise i fail school etc
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20:21<southernc>yea i could see how that could become a problem
20:21<Ouroboros>this summer i need to get a machine that can run crysis
20:22<Ouroboros>except then i probably need Vista.... ugh
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20:22<Ouroboros>when is directx 10 coming out on debian? :P
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20:23<southernc>yea that looks pretty cool i was going to install it but i blew my amd 6000+ up and dont have another motherboard that supports pci express so i cant use my X1800 :(
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20:24<Ouroboros>right now i am connecting via a 4-year old thinkpad with a broken backlight connected to an external monitor :)
20:25<Ouroboros>ET is actually the latest game this thing can run without melting, and even that is borderline
20:25<southernc>haha now thats pretty limping it
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20:27<southernc>well i suppose i should get back to configuring this but nice chating with you catch ya laterz
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20:30<Ouroboros>i found a post about the remount,ro problem which i think explains my situation
20:31<Ouroboros>"I agree, it should be possible. However, there is at least one case where it won't work: if, during your processing while /usr is mounted RW, you delete or replace an in-use file, you won't be able to remount /usr RO until the process that's using the deleted file terminates. That's because there's an inode for the deleted file that's waiting to be freed, which requires a write operation on /usr. That write operation is pending until th
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21:51<DiamondX>hi, im having trouble with a card reader built into my laptop (dell e1505). I can see it in 'lspci | Ricoh' and 'dmesg | sdhci' but it wont mount the card when i put it in. it is a Ricoh card reader
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22:02<robocop101>Hi there.Ive just installed 4.03.i think I may need an updfate.i used a mirror to install debian though
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22:05<DiamondX>irc is kinda slow atm
22:05<DiamondX>i asked a ? 10 minutes ago, i dont think anyone is really here
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22:09<Guest191>Do you know of a live disk that can read jfs? I tried knoppix and it could not read my USB hd I just formatted with jfs.
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22:09<robocop101>diamondx.yes i can see the problem.possible netsplit
22:11<blarson>Guest191: Doing custom live discs is no longer hard ... see
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22:15<morghanphoenix>is there a package for flu in the debian repos?
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22:16<robocop101>heheh.its apt-get install flu
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22:16<robocop101>>>that wqas a joke!!
22:17<Guest191>Thank you, blarson
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22:21<morghanphoenix>i wish it was that simple
22:24<morghanphoenix>tried compiling it from source but I get missing libraries libfltk (possibly because the package installed is libfltk1.1) libfltk_gl not found in the repos, libGL should be installed and lib GLU
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22:28<morghanphoenix>and every bloody time I google it with debian in the search I get that @^$Q*& Ubuntu as a result
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