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00:02<ismael>And now my net failed... I'm el_isma. If anyone has replied, I'm sorry, I missed your message
00:02<ismael>any advice for fixing the card?
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00:09<javo>hi. i cannot install xfce4 in testing because of a dependency (libthunar-vfs-1-2 depends on libfam0, but libgamin0 provides libfam0). What do i have to do?
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00:16<chealer>javo: what's the problem?
00:17<javo>chealer: i dont know
00:18<chealer>javo: how did you try?
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00:20<javo>chealer: aptitude install xfce4.... and it returned: libgamin0: Entra en conflicto: libfam0c102 pero no es instalable
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00:20<javo>(libgamin0 has a conflict with libfam0c102 but is not installable) or something like this
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00:21<javo>and the punctuation for the recommendation from aptitude (install anyway) is -61
00:22<Nemoder>javo: I believe you need to remove libfam0
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00:23<javo>Nemoder: how can i list the packages that depend on libfam0 ?
00:23<Nemoder>hm, well you could tag it for removal and see what else aptitude/dselect tries to remove
00:23<Nemoder>then abort if you really don't want to
00:24<javo>ok ill try!
00:25<chealer>javo: use # LANG=C aptitude [...] to get the output in english
00:25<javo>it is used by various KDE packages such like quanta, kompare, k3b, filelight, etc
00:25<javo>thanks chealer
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00:26<javo>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
00:26<javo> libgamin0: Conflicts: libfam0c102 but it is not installable
00:26<javo> Conflicts: libfam0 but 2.7.0-13.2 is installed.
00:27<Nemoder>javo: have you run aptitude update? for me lenny says libfam0c102 is just a dummy package
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00:28<javo>yes i did it like an hour ago, and now repeated the steps, no new packages since an hour ago and now
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00:30<Nemoder>well it may not be possible to install XFCE with those KDE apps also installed
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00:34<javo>can i paste 6 lines of code on here, or should i use pastebin instead?
00:35<RIVE>How well works Debian in a ASUS Eee PC?
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00:35<javo> please look at this
00:36<javo>it means than libgamin contains libfam0 on its code ?
00:36<javo>Does it mean that libgamin contains libfam0 on its code ?
00:37<Nemoder>ahh i guess libgamin and libfam both provide the same thing
00:37<Nemoder>so maybe you can just remove libgamin
00:38<javo>ok so i can uninstall libfam and install libgamin without problems.. is this right ?
00:38<javo>:D Thanks Nemoder, i will try this !
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00:39<Nemoder>no one or the other
00:39<Nemoder>er i read that wrong
00:39<chealer>javo: yes
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00:44<javo>Nemoder && chealer:
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00:45<javo>seems like i cannot have gnome, kde and xfce installed at the same time at this moment
00:45<javo>maybe i should wait a week... until some packages get updated
00:45<chealer>javo: why do you try removing libfam0 this way?
00:46<acu>it seem that sid is using still kernel - I need at least 2.6.23 (for NVIDIA vga on AMD64) - I wonder what is the name of a japaneze guy who buillts debian on latest kernel ?
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00:47<javo>chealer: because it enters in conflict with gamin, and i though gamin was a replacement for libfam0
00:47<acu>It is so debilitating - I have an AMD64 - the NVIDIA vga card works only with earlier kernel (if I use manuf driver) -and the broadcom wifi works only with later (2.64)
00:48<javo>gamin is needed by xfce4 but libfam0 is needed by some packages of kde and a few of gnome
00:49<Nemoder>javo: it seems like that would have worked, I don't know why it says they are broken
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00:50<chealer>javo: yes, but you don't need to remove libfam0 directly. just installing xfce4 should let APT figure out the solution
00:50<javo>what means with packages broken? The another option is to take note of those packages and install them after install xfce4 :D
00:50<chealer>Nemoder: aptitude means they *would* be broken would the solution be accepted
00:51<chealer>acu: you must be thinking about kenshi Muto, but he just builds unofficial etch d-i images
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00:52<acu>chealer thanks yes he is the one - I could try to build a custom kernel myself - but I am not expert and have little time in the near future -
00:52<NinjaMan>acu: it is possible to build the Nvidia drivers with the 2.6.25 kernel
00:52<NinjaMan>acu: depending on which driver you are using - the legacy ones require a patch
00:52<javo>chealer and Nemoder: more pastebins
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00:53<acu>NinjaMan: thanks - but I have to build the custom kernel - no I have a newer NVIDIA card so I to not think legacy is necessary
00:53<acu>what is the simplest way to build a kernel?
00:53<NinjaMan>acu: why do you have to build a custom kernel?
00:54<NinjaMan>acu: sorry if you have covered this already
00:54<acu>NinjaMan: I do not know - I can I have 2.6.25 with Debian otherwise? Pleasa advice
00:55<acu>NinjaMan: If you can direct me or give me any advise how to have 2.6.25 that is great - so far Lenny and Sid run on
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00:55<Nemoder>javo: I'm not sure how best to resolve the libfam0 conflict but if you have libfam0c102 you should be able to safely remove it
00:55<NinjaMan>acu: hmmm, yes sorry, you are right - what happens when you use
00:55<robocop101>opps xenguy ??
00:56<chealer>javo: that looks like a correct solution
00:56<javo>Nemoder and chealer, thanks both for your efforts :D
00:56<acu>NinjaMan - I downloaded the driver from NVIDIA and try to compile it but it wont work - so I am screwed (to use bad language) - and the nv or nvidia built in kernel drivers do not work - now even vesa does not show
00:57<chealer>acu: don't build a custom kernel. why would you want 2.6.25?
00:57<javo>acu: the nv open drivers are not inside the kernel, but managed by xorg
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00:58<javo>package name is xserver-xorg-video-nv
00:58<NinjaMan>javo: that is a salient point!
00:58<robocop101>can someone please tell me what the driver installation is for nvidia.i know its 3 lines.something like m-a prepare etc.helpies would be great :)
00:59<acu>chealer: I found on the web that will run the NVIDIA
00:59<Nemoder>!nvidia one-liner
00:59<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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00:59<NinjaMan>robocop101: do you mean to build the driver from scratch?
00:59<chealer>acu: how does that explain a need for 2.6.25?
01:00<NinjaMan>robocop101: sudo m-a a-i -i -t -f nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx
01:00<robocop101> the instructions i need are something like m-a prepare etc
01:00<NinjaMan>robocop101: where you susbititude nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx for the name of your nvidia kernel source from the debian repository
01:00<chealer>robocop101: forget the one-liner, that's for experienced people
01:00<chealer>!tell robocop101 about ngd
01:01<acu>chealer: I do not say 2.6.25 - will do it - 25 came from NinjaMan (if I remember correctly)
01:02<robocop101>chealer .ninjaman.ok that should work for the fx5500.just change the last bit to my kernel? 2.16-k7 i think ?
01:02<chealer>acu: then just use one of testing's stock kernels
01:02<chealer>robocop101: which Debian suite do you use?
01:03<NinjaMan>robocop101: you don't need to change any kernel reference so long as you are building it for the current kernel
01:03<robocop101>chaataka_, ive just installed 4.3
01:03<NinjaMan>robocop101: you may need to install the headers for the current kernel to get it to compile
01:03<acu>chealer: where can I find them - testing stock kernels ?
01:04<chealer>robocop101: if you're using Debian 4, just follow the guide
01:04<chealer>acu: which Debian suite do you use?
01:04<robocop101>chealer from the wiki?
01:04<chealer>robocop101: yes
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01:05<robocop101>ok.thanks will do after a some sleepies
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01:05<acu>well I used lenny, but I changed to sid - I thought it had - but I found after installing that it has
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01:06<chealer>acu: you changed to sid as your default release?
01:07<acu>yes - I just changed sources list from lenny to sid
01:08<chealer>acu: did you upgrade yet?
01:08<acu>and update and upgrade
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01:08<chealer>acu: sid is for people experienced with Debian. I suggest you reinstall testing or stable. testing's stock kernels are the linux-image packages you see in testing.
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01:11<acu>chealer: I agree with you - I would love to use stable or lenny - as I said before - etch runs on 2.6.18 - which does not recognises my wifi and lenny 2.6.21 which cannot complile the driver for NVIDIA vga card - so what should I do ?
01:11<chealer>acu: lenny uses Linux 2.6.24
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01:12<acu>chealer: yes it uses - I understood that if it was the NVIDIA VGA will be recognized
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01:13<chealer>acu: lenny uses Linux
01:13<acu>chealer: since when ?
01:13<chealer>acu: 2008-04-25
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01:14<acu>chealer: means I am doing something wrong - I use AMD64 - and it showed me after update and upgrade
01:15<acu>two days ago
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01:21<acu>chealer - how do you know the date and version of kernel for lenny ?
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01:25<chealer>acu: the minor revision is indicated by linux-2.6's version. I know the bugfix revision from the changelog and the date from
01:25<chealer>s/minor revision/minor version/
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01:26<acu>chealer: so it seem that the current version for lenny is 2.6.24-6
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01:52<acu>how to upgrade everything?
01:52<acu>it seem that if I do apt-get update and apt-get -u upgrade the newer kernel is not updating
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01:58<kriebel>what happened to miro in Lenny?
01:59<cahoot>!why is miro not in testing?
01:59<dpkg>miro is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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02:01<kriebel>has no old version in testing? How did I get it on my system then?
02:02<kriebel>(perhaps I did pull it from Sid)
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02:02<kriebel>still, this seems broken
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05:06<shital>i want to install uClibc in separate partition mounted it on /mnt/target so is it ok if i give argument "make ROOT=/mnt/target install" so that /mnt/target should become root for that partition
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05:12<shital>can any one help me?
05:14<the-dude>can't you use ./configure to install it in a certain directory
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05:19<shital>but donno how with configure
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05:25<the-dude>./configure --help
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05:26<zweetaar>hey i m using xp ... just wanted to ask if debian has to have a linux partition?
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05:26<zweetaar>coz i hav a 20 gb partition on ntfs left for linux when i installed it
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05:27<Gathond>zweetaar: I think it does, unless you want to install it in vmware, virtualbox or similiar
05:27<zweetaar>should i shift my data from that drive completely or can it be easier
05:27<zweetaar>i want to get away from xp as soon as possible
05:28<zweetaar>gathond: i dont want to del the data on that drive and i have 3 gbs free on that drive
05:28<zweetaar>what do u think i should do
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05:28<zweetaar>i dont want to mess with the data.. as i have in the past
05:29<zweetaar>should i use partition magic and further partition that drive?
05:29<Gathond>I would mess with the data, but I think the new ubuntu can install itself in a file on NTFS, not sure about the performance penalty there and whether debian can do similiar
05:29<zweetaar>i dont want ubuntu pls. :)
05:30<zweetaar>also... is ntfs accesable from debian amd64 v. 4.0?
05:30<the-dude>zweetaar: try gparted
05:31<zweetaar>gparted? thats in linux?
05:31<Gathond>zweetaar: I'm aware of that, but I'm not sure if debian has the same functionality
05:31<the-dude>yep it is een free partitionmagic but alot faster
05:31<the-dude>its a bootable live cd :)
05:31<zweetaar>i have debian 4.0 amd64 and i want that only
05:32<the-dude>and I think debian is able to read but I am not sure if it can write by default
05:33<zweetaar>where can i know about it? not able to find it in the docs
05:33<zweetaar>what do u use
05:35<zweetaar>which one?
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05:35<the-dude>debian ofcoarse
05:35<pumpkin0>zweetaar: the ntfs-driver is called ntfs-4g and the lastest, rw-edition is available as a deb-package.
05:35*the-dude <3 debian
05:36<zweetaar>ur happy with it?
05:36<zweetaar>are u using microsoft in parellel?
05:36<the-dude>pumpkin0: stable testing doesn't have ntfs4 I think
05:36<pumpkin0>zweetaar: debian ? yes. i didn't touch windows for a long time.
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05:37<zweetaar>phew... i wish that happens? i hate being forced to use windows...
05:37<pumpkin0>the-dude: i said: "there is a deb". I didn't say: "it is in debian XYZ".
05:37<pumpkin0>zweetaar: wine 1.0 is just around the corner...
05:38<zweetaar>i m sure when linux can get all the codes written by people ... mostly everything is available
05:38<the-dude>pumpkin0: ah ok but that might make it complex for him ;)
05:38<zweetaar>so i can install this debian on a 5 gb dosc space and read write all my data from there?
05:39<zweetaar>nono i m not very dumb :)
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05:39<pumpkin0>the-dude: download ntfs-seomthing.deb; dpkg -i *.deb;. Honestly ... if you don't manage that on the second try ...
05:40<Hamachi>some can help me ??
05:40<zweetaar>with what?
05:40<pumpkin0>Hamachi: just ask
05:40<Hamachi>ok hehe
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05:40<Hamachi>vnc server can not gt to work :(
05:40<dede>help meee
05:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
05:41<pumpkin0>Hamachi: what server package did you use and whats the error-msg ?
05:41<zweetaar>so i can install this debian on a 5 gb dosc space and read write all my data from there????
05:41<Hamachi>i can not connet
05:41<Hamachi>i have it from apt-get
05:42<pumpkin0>zweetaar: possible. But the ntfs-4g release notes say you cannot read compressed stuff and you should never fill the disc > 95% (cause bad things may happen).
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05:42<the-dude>pumpkin0: and does it come without dependency's ?
05:42<pumpkin0>Hamachi: check with netstat -tnlp if the server is runing.
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05:42<zweetaar>pumpkino? i dont want to wait till i watch all the episodes on that drive.. is there any way out
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05:43<zweetaar>i dont compress ever
05:43<pumpkin0>the-dude: the driver needs a 2.6 kernel and fuse.
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05:43<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to do a "music server" so I can listen to mp3 and music files on a network. I've heard about mpd, ices, icecast
05:44<bcochofel>Can anyone tell me the best apps for doing this?
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05:44<zweetaar>ya icecast can do it
05:44<pumpkin0>zweetaar: for read-only the driver works very fine. I use it to recover ntfs-usb-stuff ...
05:44<tom_ppc>hello i have adsl connection were i get free downloads between midnite and 8am. i would like to schedule bittorrent downloads to start at 00:01 and finish at 7:59. can anyone help or point me to a good web site. thanks
05:44<zweetaar>google icecast and download
05:44<zweetaar>lot of tutorial on the net .. step by step
05:44<Hamachi>pumpkin0 i have pm you
05:44<bcochofel>zweetaar: I have read some articles with mpd and icecast or icecast and ices
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05:45<bcochofel>zweetaar: I'm not quite sure about what are the diffs between all those apps
05:45<pumpkin0>Hamachi: that's nice, my client does not respond to pm's. Just ask here.
05:45<Hamachi>ok hehe
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05:45<the-dude>pumpkin0: nice how did you fix that? *g*
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05:47<Hamachi>i shall connet whit firefox ??
05:47<pumpkin0>Hamachi: no, with a vnc-client.
05:47<pumpkin0>Hamachi: (usually. There are some special servers for http-vnc-service).
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05:49<Hamachi>i connet from a xp whit ultra vnc ples wite
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05:50<pumpkin0>Hamachi: log into the linux-server (console, ssh, putty-style), then run "netstat -tnlp".
05:50<dpkg>rumour has it, dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join in your irc client, also the country Denmark
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05:50<Hamachi>i ahve do
05:51<Hamachi>are it not hte vnc ??
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05:51<pumpkin0>Hamachi: Yes, that should be vnc. which vnc-server did you use ?
05:51<Hamachi>have not set settings op in the vnc serve dont now what i shal make
05:52<Hamachi>dont no :(
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05:52<pumpkin0>Hamachi: you typed "apt-get install something". What was the somehting-part ?
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05:53<Hamachi> apt-get install vncserver
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05:54<pumpkin0>Hamachi: remove that one and install vnc4server
05:54<Hamachi>ok 2 sek
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05:55<Gekz>I do say chaps.
05:55<Gekz>This day be the bore.
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05:58<Hamachi>apt-get remove vncserver
05:58<Hamachi>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
05:58<Hamachi>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
05:58<Hamachi>i are new in linux
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05:59<blarson>Hamachi: Are you doing it as root?
06:01<NinjaMan>migrating from Apache2 -> Lighttpd : what is the lighttpd equivalent of "AddEncoding x-gzip .gz .tgz"
06:01<Hamachi>yes have it now :D
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06:02<Hamachi>have install vnc4server now
06:03<vvo>i got a problem of bash-completion
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06:05<vvo>when i enter "cp xxx yyy", here xxx is a chinese filename, the destination folder yyy can't be completed by TAB. how to solve it? thx.
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06:09<Hamachi>some can help me whit vnc4server
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06:22<Mantaar>vvo: don't use bash. Use zsh instead, where you can tab through alternatives more easily
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06:25<tom_ppc>hi i would like to schedule bittorrent downloads to start at 00:01 and stop at 07:59..... can anyone provide a "dummy's guide"???
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06:26<Mantaar>tom_ppc: which torrent client are you using?
06:26<tom_ppc>i can download any torrent client
06:26<tom_ppc>what do you recommend?
06:26<Buff78>hmmm I'm interested in your idea too tom_ppc
06:26<Buff78>(listening to this topic)
06:27<Kjetil>Should probably be doable with a simple cronjob magic
06:27<Hamachi>halloo some can help me whit vnc
06:27<Mantaar>tom_ppc: you might want to go for a command line client if you want to schedule behavior.
06:27<Hamachi>use utorrent and wine :D
06:27<Mantaar>I'm thinking about cron jobs here as well.
06:27<tom_ppc>cron + a command line bittorrent client
06:27<tom_ppc>i will try and figure it out
06:28<Mantaar>tom_ppc: exactly. try apt-get'ing transmission-cli
06:28<tom_ppc>thanks for hints
06:28<Mantaar>It has the added benefit of having a gtk-interface as well. But I have never tried it, I use rtorrent.
06:28<tom_ppc>i will look into both tansmission and rtorrent
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06:29<Buff78>so many console torrent clients....... I'm not sure which I prefer
06:29<Mantaar>there aren't many (usable) ones. I prefer rtorren.
06:29<Nemoder>bittornado is decent for cli
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06:29<Gekz>ctorrent is what I use for quickies
06:30<tom_ppc>so cron can "tell" rtorrent to stop
06:30<Gekz>rtorrent can tell rtorrent to stop
06:30<Nemoder>well you could just kill the process
06:30<Buff78>I've been playing with bittorrent (mainline) today
06:30<robo>hingwah, i'm testing a new driver (out of tree kernel module). I've got a "Bad page state in process" message in syslog. can you help me debugging it?
06:30<tom_ppc>i presume cron can execute "poff" at the specified time
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06:31<Nemoder>cron will execute whatever command you tell it to
06:32<tom_ppc>i will look into it and work something out
06:32<Nemoder>personally I think I'd rather have a plug-in for azureus
06:32<Nemoder>but I don't know if any exist to do that
06:33<Nemoder>guess so :)
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06:33<Gekz>Azureus has a plugin to make your coffee
06:33<linuxguy>oops !nvidia
06:33<Gekz>but its only 0.2, so it never adds the right amount of sugar
06:34<Nemoder>!tell linuxguy -about nvidia
06:34<Gekz>that one
06:34<Mantaar>I hate azureus. Java interfaces are just criminal.
06:34<Nemoder>The interface is a bit slow but I've yet to see anything that can beat it for the features I want
06:35<Gekz>Mantaar: thank you
06:35<Gekz>linuxguy: talk to the bot in a query damn it
06:35<linuxguy> new to debian.....its not my problem is dpkg does not understand that
06:36<tom_ppc>i am using mac g3 so no java blooody sun didn't they open source it?
06:36<Gekz>it is your problem actuall
06:36<Mantaar>linuxguy: you should '/msg dpkg foobar' to find out about foobar.
06:36<Gekz>!tell linuxguy -about nvidia one-liner
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06:37<linuxguy>homenw:/home/linuxguy# apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:38<linuxguy>returned this eror E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7
06:38<linuxguy>do I take it that either debian nor nvidia support my nvidia fx5500 card?
06:39<Nemoder>linuxguy: if you are running etch then make sure you have non-free enabled in your sources.list
06:39<NinjaMan>migrating from Apache2 -> Lighttpd : what is the lighttpd equivalent of "AddEncoding x-gzip .gz .tgz"
06:40<linuxguy><Nemoder> do I do that please?
06:40<Nemoder>linuxguy: man sources.list
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06:41<linuxguy>erm.......ok do i just type that in then?
06:42<Nemoder>that will bring up the manual for sources.list which includes examples
06:43<Nemoder>or if you are able to run synaptic I believe it has gui options to enable non-free
06:45<linuxguy>i get this error now No manual entry for non-free
06:47<linuxguy>so from what i can make out theres something wrong with my sources list.....something needs to be added to it so the nvidia drivers will install and work?
06:48<Nemoder>the nvidia drivers are not open source software, they are located on separate servers not enabled by default
06:48<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
06:51<linuxguy>memoder ok i ccopy \ paste that line in my sources list and the nvidia drivers should work?
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06:52<Nemoder>most likely you just need to add non-free on to the end of the line
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06:52<berndl>hello together
06:52<linuxguy>!sources list
06:52<dpkg>it has been said that sources list is a good sources.list (based on the previousone) is at
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06:53<linuxguy>2 days and counting on getting the nvidia drivers to install and work :)
06:53<Nemoder>nvidia doesn't make it very easy
06:55<linuxguy>memoder....have you seen sidux and the way you install drivers there?
06:56<berndl>I have a problem with kmplayer: if I run it I get a error message: "Wiedergerät mplayer Not Running", does anybody know this bug??
06:56<Nemoder>I'm not familiar with it
06:56<linuxguy>memoder sidux is testing branch for debian
06:56<Nemoder>oh sid
06:57<Nemoder>actually lenny is testing, sid is unstable
06:57<blarson>linuxguy: no, sidux is a debian based distro. It is not debian.
06:57<linuxguy>ive come to this conclusion that nvidia and ati cards are not compatible with debian??......if not...what card should i get?
06:57<blarson>sid is debian unstable.
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06:58<Nemoder>linuxguy: you can use the free nv driver to have a working system but 3D graphics will be slower
06:59<linuxguy>memder.....i dont mind that....i just want to make my card work it is now........the screen is flickering all thee time
07:00<Dephisto>I am a nex user of debian and I want to try the desktop effects, but I am affraid, I do not have 3D acceleration
07:00<linuxguy>if I knew what to type in \ add to the sources list so the drivers would install would be a great helps
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07:00<Dephisto>I have debian on notebook - IBM thinkpad A30
07:00<Nemoder>linuxguy: what does your current sources.list look like? (don't paste it all in the channel)
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07:01<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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07:01<Dephisto>Did anyone here install ati 3D support
07:02<Mantaar>I did. I will never again.
07:02<Mantaar>But I hear it's possible
07:02<Mantaar>!tell Dephisto about fglrx
07:03<Gekz>I did too
07:03<Gekz>I then bought an nvidia card
07:03<Dephisto>I tried apt-get install fglrx, nothing happend
07:05<Dephisto>i try
07:07<Mantaar>Dephisto: nothing happened? Be happy it didn't disintegrate your mobo.
07:08<Dephisto>nothing happened = it couldnot find, i wrote bad script
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07:13<fenix>Oi genTe
07:14<fenix>tudO bom com voces
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07:15<Mantaar>!english please
07:15<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
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07:18<linuxguy>memoder......unlike the other distros i know how to get to my sources list......but with debiian i dont sorry :(
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07:21<linuxguy>does anyone else have problems installing nvidia drivers?
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07:30<the-dude>linuxguy: which kernel?
07:30<Buff78>I have a new lover, her name is debian......... Fedora is now my big fat EX
07:34<linuxguy>the dude im using this kernel 2.6.18-6-k7
07:34<linuxguy>>>bit old now isnt it?
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07:35<the-dude>it should be ok
07:36<the-dude>linuxguy: are you using module-assistant?
07:36<linuxguy>the-dude, seems i need to add something or enable something in my sources list to make the nvidia drivers work
07:37<linuxguy>the-dude, yes ive tried module didnt work
07:37<the-dude>whats in your sources.list ?
07:37<linuxguy>the-dude, i have to go now...i will be back in an hour.....hopefully i can get the driver issue sorted out :)
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07:38<mysupper>헬로 가이즈
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08:16<justAsset>hi all
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08:20<libereco>hello justAsset
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08:21<justAsset>hi libereco
08:22<justAsset>libereco: i need to find anyone who knows dmraid
08:23<Mantaar>!tell justAsset about asking
08:23<libereco>i don't :( sorry
08:23<libereco>but, if you ask...
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08:24<justAsset>Mantaar: sorry dude, i'm new at that kind of things
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08:25<libereco>justAsset, it's ok, =) just ask =)
08:26<Mantaar>justin: no need to apologize. You might mant to read the channel FAQs then:
08:26<justAsset>it's been one week since i started to install linux on raid1
08:27<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
08:27<justAsset>i'm already became crazy
08:27<justAsset>Mantaar: thank a lot
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08:28<Morphey>hello all
08:28<orneo>need help
08:29<Morphey>there is a problem with KVIrc 3.4.0
08:29<orneo>with debian dvd
08:29<donny>just state your problem / ask your question, don't preempt it with an announcement
08:29<orneo>how install only kde for debian dvd
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08:37<Morphey>/usr/bin/kvirc: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/kvirc: undefined symbol: _ZN6KviSSL10globalInitEv
08:37<Gekz>what a random symbol
08:37<Morphey>this is the error with KVIrc 3.4.0
08:38<Gekz>thats a basic programmerism
08:38<Morphey>how to solve?
08:39<Gekz>apt-get install kvirc :P
08:39<Morphey>it's already installed
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08:49<DijitalWench>does anyone know how to change the default browser jre plugin in teh AMD64 architecture of lenny?
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08:50<freealan>DijitalWench: try sudo update-alternatives --config java
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08:52<DijitalWench>freealan: Thanks that looks like what i need. now i just have to download the jre i want
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08:55<Akatemik>Hmh, what's the status of SELinux in Debian? I read the debian wiki pages, but I guess I'd like some short description on how painful it would be?
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08:57<DijitalWench>painfully stupid question (yup i forgot how): how do i make a new directory
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08:59<Akatemik>DijitalWench: mkdir
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09:00<DijitalWench>Akatemik: thx
09:00<Akatemik>DijitalWench: You could have gotten that as the first hit from google too, though...
09:01<DijitalWench>Akatemik: yeah but i'm lazy and was already here
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09:02<chealer>Morphey: did you try testing's version?
09:03<Morphey>chealer: yes
09:04<chealer>Morphey: does it work?
09:04<Morphey>KVIrc 3.4.0 downloaded from SID repository
09:04<Morphey>3.2.6 works with Lenny
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09:05<chealer>Morphey: then use that unless you have a reason not to
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09:06<Ikarus>Akatemik: too painful to bother
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09:06<Ikarus>Akatemik: I'd suggest unless you have to work for the NSA that physical security is already weaker :P
09:06<DijitalWench>Akatemik: The jre i want to use does not show up in the list (from update-alternatives --config java)
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09:12<Akatemik>DijitalWench: The guy who helped you with that wasn't me, and he's already gone
09:13<Akatemik>Ikarus: Hmh, so what are the sensible steps to take to increase security?
09:13<Akatemik>Am not particaularily interested in running obsd on my main server, since I need a wider array of available sw (I do have it on other machines)
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09:14<Akatemik>Mainly what I could do to limit the damage from exploits in sw I'm running as much as I can without it becoming a day job
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09:17<Ikarus>Akatemik: keep up to date
09:18<Ikarus>Akatemik: subscribe to all relevant security mailinglists
09:18<Akatemik>Sure, done that
09:18<Ikarus>Then probably secured syslogging (and setting the systems up to be verbose)
09:19<Akatemik>That's next on the list, I'm moving logging to an external computer (that obsd)
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09:19<Ikarus>add in tripwire, possibly some firewall level attempt detection and then you might start looking at address space randomization
09:19<Ikarus>ofcourse I am counting on the usual case of an attack without the user having an account on the machines to begin with
09:20<Akatemik>fail2ban is on the list too, I'll have to look into tripwire, thanks for the tip
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09:20<Akatemik>Well, I don't think any of my friends who have shells would betray me, but they might use weak passwords
09:21<Akatemik>I *could* run john on my own shadow, but somehow that feels like I would betray then (in case they use the same pw elsewhere, which is likely given a normal person)
09:21<Akatemik>fail2ban should help to migitate that risk, though
09:22<Akatemik>I know about freebsd's jails and obsd's chroot mania, but haven't really encountered anything similar on Linux/debian world
09:23<Akatemik>Was thinking that perhaps SELinux is the local answer, but if it's a pain then probably it's not worth it
09:23<Akatemik>Complex security has tendency to cause people (me too) to become lazy and that gives you nothing but problems
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09:27<Akatemik>Ikarus: You mentioned tripwire, but originally I would have looked into snort first. Any comments on Snort?
09:27<Ikarus>Akatemik: tripwire is filesystem based, snort network
09:27<fxiny>bleeding edge snort seems dead
09:27<Ikarus>you want both sort of
09:27<Ikarus>or something like them
09:28<Akatemik>fxiny: What do you mean? At least there has been a release last month
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09:28<Ikarus>Akatemik: preferably combined with WORM storage for tripwire data (same as for the syslogging)
09:28<Ikarus>But I usually stop at tripwire
09:29<fxiny>Akatemik: i'm talking about bleeeding edge snort experimental.rules
09:29<Ikarus>anything more is utter paranoia, as the physical side of the network is comparativly weak and there is very little open to the world
09:29<Akatemik>Ikarus: I actually got a new optical drive (whee!) so could do that
09:29<Akatemik>My old one was basic cd-rom from 1998
09:29<Ikarus>Akatemik: yeah, for syslogging I actually build a little hardware gadget
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09:30<fxiny>Akatemik: read official hardening debian docs
09:30<Akatemik>It made a bit too nasty sound, so decided to get a new before it breaks. A spanky dl-dvd burning monster, which was the only thing they are selling these days
09:30<Ikarus>fxiny: you mean ?
09:30<Akatemik>Ikarus: What kind of gadget?
09:30<fxiny>Ikarus: exactly
09:31<Ikarus>fxiny: it's a bit on the overkill side, especially the bootup passes and stuff, when someone steals your HDD they have all the time in the world to work around those
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09:32<Akatemik>Yeah, I won't be doing a cryptoloop, or anything like that
09:32<Akatemik>I'm aiming strictly against external threats, I don't have the resources to anything for local/physical attacks
09:32<Ikarus>Akatemik: I actually run a physical security setup on my laptop
09:33<fxiny>Ikarus: i have backups . a couple of ids running plus a full baseline of my system .
09:33<Akatemik>That would make sense, since there are plenty of common thieves around
09:33<Ikarus>Akatemik: I attached a Atmel AVR to a 1 GB SD card, setup one serial port to only accept syslog messages, one port to also accept read requests and erasures
09:33<Ikarus>fxiny: yeah, backups are more important
09:33<Akatemik>But someone so determined to get my box to crack into my house? Not much I can do (with the money I have)
09:34<Ikarus>more systems are lost due to failure of hw or natural disaster then theft even
09:34<Akatemik>True that
09:34<fxiny>Ikarus: debian is pretty secure
09:34<Ikarus>Akatemik: well, then unless you are a juicy corporate target don't expect to be dealing with more then the automatic rootkits and such
09:34<Akatemik>I was also quite surprised on the price of external hd enclosures these days
09:34<Ikarus>fxiny: yeah
09:35<Akatemik>This little fellow especially caught my eye:
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09:35<Ikarus>anyway, the little serial logging insanity is that, insanity
09:35<Ikarus>it was more a "because I can"
09:35<Akatemik>I was thinking about buying one dock and two cases, then making a daily rsync into it
09:36<Akatemik>The hw failure that got my previous desktop left my home untouched, fortunately
09:36<Akatemik>Fried the /, even raid didn't help when it started writing gibberish
09:37<Akatemik>But nevertheless, it killed my access to old emails and what not, since I couldn't read the hds with my laptop
09:37<fxiny>Ikarus: last year at deb conf there was a nice talk about se-linux , i wait for this year and for a better box to play with se-linux , possibly in a "debian way"
09:38<Akatemik>Ikarus: A friend got his box cracked, but didn't get any rootkits. The attacked tried to act manually
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09:38<Ikarus>fxiny: yeah, I still think SELinux is a bit overkill unless as I said, you are a big juicy corporate target
09:38<Ikarus>or perhaps on a very fast university network
09:38<Akatemik>He noticed when emails got bounced, the attacker had tried to email shadow away, but exim wasn't configured correctly
09:38<Akatemik>Ikarus: Latter applies...
09:39<Ikarus>Akatemik: well, still not as big a target as corporate
09:39<Akatemik>I don't really mind going overkill, I'm also a "because I can" type of guy :)
09:39<Akatemik>Ikarus: Certainly not
09:39<fxiny>Ikarus: could be a nice game to play on modern hardware , better then jumping on the eyecandy bandwagon
09:40<Akatemik>I draw the limit at where I don't bother with doing everything I need to to keep the system up to date, which would result in bad security
09:40<Akatemik>If it isn't too much work to bore me, then it's ok even if overkill
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09:40<Akatemik>"Learning experience" is never bad either, I don't aim for IT industry, but knowing stuff never hurts
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09:42<[gloom]>hi there.
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09:42<falk_>any german here?
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09:44<[gloom]>Which file should I edit to pass parameters to a kernel module everytime it loads? I know I can do it with insmod/modprobe, but the module is already loaded and I dont want to unload it. I just want the parameters work in the next reboot, so I would like to simply edit the file which insmod uses to write the parameters...
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09:45<Akatemik>gloom: Have you checked
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09:51<[gloom]>Akatemik: yeah, thanks. But I can't use modconf, as I don't want to unload the module to load again with the right parameters. I just want the name of the fule where modconf would store this parameters. I'm looking for this module.conf, but i can't find it
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09:59<Akatemik>But you wanted to modify the system so that it loads it right on boot?
09:59<Akatemik>So what's wrong with modconf
10:00<Akatemik>You don't necessarily have /etc/modules.conf, I suppose if nothing has created it
10:02<[gloom]>well, AFAIK with i should unload the module with modconf, and then load it again with the correct parameters. The thing is that the module is in use, and i don't want to unload it, so i want to write the parameters by hand somewhere...
10:03<Akatemik>"Debian's modconf package provides a shell script (/usr/sbin/modconf) which can be used to customize the configuration of modules."
10:03<Akatemik>What has unloading and loading to do with modconf?
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10:04<[gloom]>have you ever used modconf?
10:05<Akatemik>Never have had the need, only modprobe directly
10:06<[gloom]>to add parameters to a module without unloading it? Because the only thing that modconf does is list the available modules so you can choose the right one to load/unload. When you're loading, it propmts for parameters. That's it. I dont know hot to add parameters to a kernel module that it's already loaded, to be effective on the next reboot
10:06<Akatemik>I see, then you have to modify /etc/modules.conf directly
10:06<Akatemik>I got the impression that modconf writes it's config to that file, based on what the debian kernel howto says
10:07<[gloom]>so, the parameters use to be in modules.conf?
10:07<[gloom]>ok, i wil look somewhere for the format of this file
10:07<Akatemik>Well that's the impression I got from the howto
10:07<Akatemik>You said you read it too, so maybe I got it wrong
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10:15<zweetaar>hi people does anyone know if there is automatix for amd64?
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10:19<chealer>!tell zweetaar about automatix
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10:20<susanne-->so i made a bone-headed mistake. i installed gnome instead of kde. (apt-get install gnome). is there a way to remove gnome in as easy a manner as it was installed?
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10:22<zweetaar>oh shit... then what do i do what automatix does without it?
10:23<cogwheel>susanne--, apt-get purge gnome
10:23<chealer>zweetaar: what do you want to do?
10:23<chealer>!tell susanne-- about remove gnome
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10:24<Akatemik>Ikarus: I read the hardening manual, and found quite many programs I could install. You recommend tripwire over all the other IDS?
10:24<zweetaar>i want to chill in linux like i do in windows without crashes .. want read/write access to ntfs drives.. i have debian 4. amd 64
10:25<zweetaar>what do u advise?
10:25<zweetaar>ddownloading sidux to see what goes first
10:25<zweetaar>want linux with windows
10:26<Akatemik>So install a virtual machine, or wine
10:26<Akatemik>Or a window manager, ymmv
10:26<chealer>zweetaar: you'd need to be more specific about your desired chilling. for NTFS, use ntfs-3g
10:26<zweetaar>not that
10:26<less>Tripwire is a classic in the field, I am glad to hear some still find it worth recommending.
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10:26<Akatemik>Indeed it was the only one I had heard of before
10:27<Akatemik>But there seems to be 5-10 possibilities for file system based IDS, and no way to diffrentiate between them
10:27*less goes off to read the hardening manual Akatemik mentioned
10:27<zweetaar>chill is using all media applications with mixing softwares with r/w access to ntfs
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10:30<Mantaar>bah. That damn --set option doesn't cut it. I have to edit /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives. Anyone knows where to find an explanation of its format?
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10:32<less>Google can't seem to find the Debian hardening manual...
10:32<less>Do you maybe have a link, Akatemik?
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10:35<Akatemik>Google "harden debian"
10:35<Akatemik>First link
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10:37<less>But, there's no mention of Tripwire anywhere I look...
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10:37<less>I'll try ripire, maybe it's case sensitive...
10:37<less>Minus typo...
10:37<Akatemik>less: No, that wast a recommendation by Ikarus
10:38<less>oh, ok.
10:38<less>So I misunderstood.
10:38<Akatemik>The manual mentions tiger and the harden package, which suggests a bunch of different IDSes
10:38<less>Tiger, another classic. ;-)
10:39<zweetaar>!tell the-dude about automatix
10:39<less>Lemme read that manual and see if I can come up with something sensible to say in response to your inquiry.
10:39<Akatemik>less: Also my original query was "What can I do to increase my security against external attacks, without excessive amount of work"
10:40<less>That would probabbly be firewall something, not IDS something.
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10:40<Akatemik>Assumption is that no unnecessary services are run, of course
10:41<less>Of course.
10:41<Akatemik>So the likely attack vector is a bug in one of the daemons I'm running, or a weakness in passwords
10:41<less>But an IDS is an after-the-fact thing, and what you want is something else.
10:42<less>An IDS won't stop an attacker from guessing a weak password, for example.
10:42<Akatemik>Well most likely result of getting cracked is rootkit / spambot
10:42<Akatemik>So noticing the crack is a victory, if not perfect
10:42<less>So they say, yes.
10:42<less>It's still after the fact.
10:42<Akatemik>Still better than before
10:42<less>Prevention tends to be much better. ;-)
10:43<Akatemik>Well, they have fire extinquishers too, because it's cheaper to prepare to fire than do everything to prevent it
10:43<less>I've been on the Internet for what, 10 years now? 15?
10:44<less>I never had this happen to me.
10:44<less>Thank gawd. ;-)
10:44<Akatemik>Sorry, I'm a physicists... I know about statistical significance :)
10:44<Akatemik>a physicist, even
10:44<less>Akatemik: the financial angle makes for an entire different playing field.
10:44<less>I assumed we were talking home computers.
10:44<Akatemik>Here the angle is most benefit for least work, of course
10:45<Akatemik>I don't see it's much different than optimizing per any other resource
10:45<less>I's good to speak with someone who knows about statistics for a change. ;-)
10:46<Akatemik>Preventing the crack is better, yes, but only with some additional clauses
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10:46<less>In that case you need to make a threat assesment and then design a contingency plan and all that jazz.
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10:46<Akatemik>Making the crack a meager bit harder is not so good than noticing 99% of cases where it did happen
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10:46<less>What is your worst case scenario?
10:46<less>How bad can it get?
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10:47<Akatemik>My computer is used to spread child pornography and I will be jailed for life, I suppose :)
10:47<less>What do you lose if villains steal your data?
10:47<less>Or if they just corrupt your data?
10:47<less>Oh, spending your life behind bars doesn't sound attractive.
10:48<Akatemik>Or maybe spreading anti-islam propaganda, and I will be bombed...
10:48<Akatemik>But I'd say the risk is still small, since the probability is smaller than getting hit by a drunk motorist
10:48<less>If cost is enormously high, the factor of how likely it is that something like that would happen is not important.
10:49<less>Go for the most protection you can afford.
10:49<Akatemik>Biggest risk (impact*probability) would be using my computer as a platform for other crimes
10:49<Akatemik>less: Of course it is important
10:49<less>Theoretically, sure.
10:49<Akatemik>The whole planet ca be destroyed by an asteroid hit, still the whole mankind isn't geared to protect against that
10:50<less>That is the worry of the whole mankind, not yours and certainly not mine. ;-)
10:50<Akatemik>I can be killed in hundreds of ways every day, yet I consider the risk small enough to plan for next year
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10:51<less>Then you just drop all defenses available against Internet malware?
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10:51<Akatemik>I think this discussion is not going anywhere, sorry
10:51<Akatemik>I'll do something more worth while
10:51<less>Maybe not.
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10:54<meglaw>this is not a realy a debian question but has anyone ever gotten a eggdrop to auto-learn users without them having to use the "hello" command?
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10:54<Helel>hi boys
10:54<Helel>I've a little problem with my debian
10:54<Helel>can you help me, please ?
10:54<Akatemik>Don't ask to ask, just ask
10:55<Helel>helel:~# touch a
10:55<Helel>touch: cannot touch `a': Read-only file system
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10:55<Helel>my root is mounted ro
10:55<Akatemik>So it seems
10:55<Helel>and i cannot reboot, 'cause this is a server
10:55<Akatemik>Any errors in dmesg/syslog?
10:55<Helel>bad blocks, i think
10:55<Helel>EXT3-fs error (device hda2): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=26173, block=33079
10:55<Helel>ide_do_rw_disk - bad command: dev hda: type=2, flags=104c9
10:55<Helel>sector 13215629, nr/cnr 8/8
10:55<Helel>bio 00000000, biotail 00000000, buffer 00000000, data 00000000, len 0
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10:56<Akatemik>You can try to remount rw, but would have to see what's wrong first
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10:56<Akatemik>You can try to remount rw, but would have to see what's wrong first
10:56<Akatemik>Have you ran smart checks?
10:56<chealer>zweetaar: mixing software? like kmix?
10:56<Helel>there are a lot of bad blocks
10:57<Akatemik>Helel: Well, if you have a hw failure then I'd say there's no way out without rebooting
10:57<Akatemik>You'd need to see if the hd is failing completely. If not, you'd still have to remove those blocks from the accessible area
10:57<Helel>so i need to reboot my machine after 200 days of uptime ..
10:57<Helel>i scan my hd for badblocks last week
10:58<Akatemik>That's your real reason to avoid booting?
10:58<Helel>and there aren't so many like not
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10:59<Helel>no, the really reason is just that i lost a lot of time with running all service
10:59<Helel>in this machine
10:59<Helel>'cause i've not link anything on my runlevel
10:59<Helel>so i need to do it by my hand
11:00<Helel>thank you a lot for help :)
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11:00<Akatemik>If your hd is failing and you are not on raid, then backup ASAP and switch the hd
11:00<Akatemik>Preferably shut the machine _now_, get a spare hd, boot on live cd and try to save what you can with dd
11:01<Akatemik>All the time that hd keeps spinning, you might dig yourself a deeper hole
11:01<Helel>i've also get a copy of my disk with dd for preacution
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11:15<mysupper_>hello guys
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11:16<less>Just ask your question mysupper_, and someone knowledgeable will probably chip in with sensible advice.
11:17<mysupper_>ok, thx less
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11:19<mysupper_>I want to use connlimit module in kernel which is not included in stable release. I got 2.6.25 kernel and included connlimit support in kernel and complied it and installed it with initrd and no errors there till the grub installation.
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11:19<mysupper_>but i got kernel panic whick I think the reason is I'm using LVM.
11:20<mysupper_>less, should I include other kernel directive in .config file or any other suggestions?
11:20<less>That's a clear descriptio of the problem you are having, I think.
11:21<less>I'm not qualified to provide the answer, though. :-(
11:22<mysupper_>less, that's ok . thx.
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11:22<less>Did you try Google?
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11:22<mysupper_>less, google showed me some stupid answers I couldn't put up with. :)
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11:23<less>Those are the more difficult questions, in my experience. ;-)
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11:32*Skrat waves
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11:33<Skrat>To dual boot, or to use Virtual Box?
11:33<Skrat>Decisions, decisions
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11:35<mysupper_>Skrat, Virtual box for simple jobs and dual boot for heavy loaded jobs. :)
11:35<Skrat>mysupper_, for simply getting to know Windows
11:35<Skrat>"Know thy enemy". :-P - I think i should use VBox
11:36<mysupper_>Skrat, that's appropriate for Vbox.
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11:44<mysupper_>kernel change log in 2.5.25 says "step in fixing lvm.c will consist of propagating struct block_device *
11:44<mysupper_>". :)
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11:44<mysupper_>so I couldn't boot up with new kernel. :)
11:45<mysupper_>I should go back to other kernel.
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11:54<engkeboy>i have a problem installing mysql-server mysql-client.. when i try apt-get it says E: Broken packages. why is that?
11:55<engkeboy>anyone please help..
11:56<klh[gfloper]>engkeboy: did you do apt-get update
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11:57<engkeboy>yup.. i just finished updating..
11:57<engkeboy>but still..
11:57<klh[gfloper]>try apt-get -f install
11:57<klh[gfloper]>just this
11:57<klh[gfloper]>no packages specified after
11:57<pobega>Hello everyone, I have a problem. I'm running ZSNES from a 32bit chroot...But for some reason it refuses to run in X. So I have to run it from a TTY. Is there any way I could emulate a TTY in an X window or something to make it appear like ZSNES is running in X when in reality it's still running in a virtual terminal?
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11:58<engkeboy>ahh.. i'll try it.. be back if i still have problem.. thanks a lot!
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11:58<klh[gfloper]>engkeboy: ok np
11:58<spirosl>hi all
11:58<klh[gfloper]>hi spirosl
11:58<spirosl>how is everyone doing?
11:58<klh[gfloper]>fine and you ?
11:59<spirosl>I've just converted my OS into a linux based OS and I feel liberated by all the pirated sofware I once owned! :)
11:59<klh[gfloper]>spirosl: hehe
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12:02<spirosl>so klh[gfloper] how you did fall into using linux
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12:04<klh[gfloper]>spirosl: I don't really know, bored by wind*** may be
12:05<spirosl>what do you do in it now?
12:06<klh[gfloper]>same things before on wind*** but faster ;)
12:06<spirosl>i see
12:06<spirosl>debian as your distro
12:06<klh[gfloper]>not really
12:06<klh[gfloper]>sidux, sidux is debian but debian is not sidux
12:07<buzzqw>sidux is a good distro for testing sid without too much hassle
12:07<spirosl>im using slack and so far it's great
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12:08<klh[gfloper]>buzzqw: sidux is a really great distro, sid packages are not unstable, it s just repos ...
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12:09<chealer>klh[gfloper]: sidux isn't Debian
12:11<buzzqw>sidux is at 98% debian, afaik
12:11<klh[gfloper]>chealer: sidux is fully based on debian sid packages, just add scipt
12:11<klh[gfloper]>*just additionnal scripts
12:11<buzzqw>it use some script like siduxcc and smxi.. but is a debian
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12:12<buzzqw>why will be not a debian ?
12:12<klh[gfloper]>ask them #sidux xD
12:12<buzzqw>ok :|
12:13<klh[gfloper]>hmm sorry
12:13<klh[gfloper]>I misunderstood you
12:13<klh[gfloper]>My english is not really perfec
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12:13<spirosl>so its an OS based on debian and on the SID branch but is not debian... so strange
12:14<klh[gfloper]>if you ask sidux devs, they will answer you that I said
12:14<klh[gfloper]>sidux is debian but debian is not sidux
12:15<klh[gfloper]>this sentence is not from me but from a sidux dev
12:16<fxiny>there are any debian developpers involved in such a dux distro ?
12:16<klh[gfloper]>mmm sorry
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12:16<klh[gfloper]>really poor english xD
12:16<fxiny>cause as a user i have enough
12:17<fxiny>you telling me a am an idiot cause as a user i stick to a mith instead of using another opportunistic "assemblage" ?
12:17<buzzqw>could you elaborate better ?
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12:18<Mastroquet>I tried Sidux on my laptop because I could'nt get my usb-ethernet adapter to work with debian
12:18<Mastroquet>gret ... perfect for my laptop
12:18<Mastroquet>great I meant
12:19<spirosl>ok guys
12:19<spirosl>thanks for the chat
12:19<fxiny>who cares ? complain to hardware vendors
12:19<spirosl>I'm off now for well deserved rest
12:19<spirosl>speak to you all soon
12:19<fxiny>i always wait to get new drivers
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12:20<Mastroquet>fxiny : are you saying this because of what I said about the usb/ethernet adaptor?
12:20<Mastroquet>it wasn't a driver problem
12:21<fxiny>Mastroquet: why don't you tell hardware vendors off ?
12:21<Mastroquet>the driver is already in the kernel
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12:21<Mastroquet>usbnet + asix
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12:21<fxiny>so wait as we do since ages or install a proper sid
12:21<spirosl> any of you ever heard of the speech disorder called Cluttering?
12:21<Mastroquet>the problem was that my laptop's ethrernet card is out of service
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12:22<Mastroquet>and i could'nt make debian recognize any other interface than this broken eth0
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12:23<Mastroquet>Sidux make it work as eth1
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12:23<Mastroquet>that's all, i don't mean sidux is any better
12:23<buzzqw>and the winner is Linux, regardless of sidux and debian, don't forget it
12:23<fxiny>Mastroquet: and you call great a distro for such a small thing ? d
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12:24<Mastroquet>fxiny: no of course
12:24<Mastroquet>I happens to be a great distro besides that... ;)
12:24<fxiny>Mastroquet: you said that : you are misleading new users
12:24<Mastroquet>*it happens
12:25<Mastroquet>you are kidding I suppose....
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12:28<Mastroquet>buzzqw: perhaps I didn't make it clear enough that I wasn't making a comparison, I never even thought about finding which is "the best" between debian and Sidux....
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12:29<klh[gfloper]>cathoderaytube: rofl
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12:29<Mastroquet>ah ah!
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12:29<klh[gfloper]>lamer ...
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12:30<EzeBlock_ARG>Hi to all ppl
12:30<klh[gfloper]>hi EzeBlock_ARG
12:33<EzeBlock_ARG>well, just to introduce myseft, I do administration over a bunch of servers and they do run Debian of course, live in Argentina and hope to be on this irc in a daily basis to learn and share knownledge of this wonderful OS
12:34<klh[gfloper]>that sounds good EzeBlock_ARG
12:34<klh[gfloper]>fine ;)
12:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:34<abrotman>in case you'd also like to help in a spanish channel
12:36<EzeBlock_ARG>ok ic, will be there too
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12:42<Laeborg>i have some problems with Debian Etch
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12:43<Laeborg>1: Sometimes when i start up (Not every time) i got a error 'device file could not be readed' in til /bin/sh tts file or something like that, then i need to reboot
12:44<Laeborg>2: My mouse start to lag when my computer has been up in sometime. My ethernet is going out too. Then i need to reboot
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12:46<Laeborg>someone who can help me?
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13:02<erlend>How do I extraxt a ISO-file to my USB-stick when all I have is the image file?
13:02<erlend>do I have to burn the image and transfer it afterwards?
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13:03<fxiny>mount it
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13:04<fxiny>erlend: mount -t iso9660 -o loop your.iso /mount/point
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13:04<erlend>fxiny: that'll work =) found a way now, ty
13:04<fxiny>erlend: np
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13:13<erlend>media/ cannot be copied because you do not have permission to read it. - Any idea how to solve it? I'm logged in with the only account on the computer, so I guess I have admin rights right now, or do I need to activate them somehow?
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13:15<DijitalWench_>erlend: go to the directory the file is in, then use chmod a+x {filename} OR you can use the su command to temporarily have admin rights
13:16<chealer>erlend: which account are you using?
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13:18<erlend>I went to a terminal window and typed su (accountusername) and typed in the password. That should grant me admin rights, right? Tried to move again...same message =(
13:18<Ikarus>just plain "su"
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13:18<Ikarus>su's syntax is su <optional account name to use as a substitute, if not specified assumed to be root>
13:19<DijitalWench_>just type "su" and press enter
13:19<erlend>with plain su I am told to put in my password, when I does it says "failed" and "sorry"
13:19<DijitalWench_>enter the root password
13:19<DijitalWench_>that enters a pseudo-root terminal
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13:20<erlend>oh, dont know if I ever created a root passwd, only my account there a default to try?
13:20<DijitalWench_>when you installed linux, you had to set up a root password
13:20<DijitalWench_>before you set up user accounts
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13:21<erlend>crap..forgotten it then =( usually only have 1 passwd, but wasnt the one I thought... kk, guess I have to do some searching then...and then use the su command ;)
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13:21<Laeborg>Sometimes when i start up (Not every time) i got a error 'device file could not be readed' in til /bin/sh tts file or something like that, then i need to reboot
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13:22<DijitalWench_>gl ... you might also try checking the debian wiki for how to find the passwords (but i'm not sure you can even do that without super-user access
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13:24<erlend>hmm..are passwords stored the same way in linux as in win? I have the tools to crack the win passwords, but havent heard if ppl use it to break linux aswell
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13:27<fxiny>erlend: windows ? i want my previos answer back :P
13:27<erlend>fxiny: oh, sorry...mean no offence...but at work I dont have a choice ;)
13:27<fxiny>erlend: heheehh
13:28<erlend>well, brb...logging win to move my file ;) thanks guys
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13:31<DijitalWench_>anyone know how to get sun java's 32-bit version to work on amd64 arch lenny?
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13:32<blarson>DijitalWench_: I think a 32-bit chroot would work.
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13:35<DijitalWench_>*idly wonders if a sledgehammer would work better*
13:36<alephnull>Why not just use the 64 bit java ?
13:37<DijitalWench_>i need the 32-bit version for a site that i frequently use
13:37<DijitalWench_>64-bit version doesn't work on it
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13:38<alephnull>Oh, that bloody java plugin.
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13:39<DijitalWench_>oy this is aggravating .. installed the appropriate plugin, but can't figure out how to get the browser to actually use it
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13:45<artista_frustrado>I need some help with preseeding. I've customized lenny's netinst with preseed but it stops at 37%, exactly in the part where it tries to get the release file form the mirror
13:45<artista_frustrado>does anyone have any idea of what may be happening ?
13:45<DijitalWench_>are you using the lenny beta 1 netint?
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13:47<artista_frustrado>but it has being happening for a few weeks now
13:47<DijitalWench_>artista_frustrado: try a different mirror?
13:48<artista_frustrado>the problem started when I was trying to use a local mirror
13:48<artista_frustrado>them I switched back to which is on the same backbone as the university
13:49<artista_frustrado>so I can download the packages at 50MB/s ..
13:49<artista_frustrado>but the problem persists
13:49<artista_frustrado>now the images that we used to install most of the labs aren't working anymore
13:50<artista_frustrado>they were working a few months ago
13:50<artista_frustrado>when using the local mirror
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13:50<artista_frustrado>the httpd logs do not show any connection atempts
13:50<DijitalWench_>artista_frustrado: the beta1 netinstall image has problems because they're working on beta2. latest daily build should work fine though
13:51<artista_frustrado>it is as if the installer simply can't connect to the mirror
13:51<artista_frustrado>the last image we used was from 3 days ago
13:52<artista_frustrado>it seems to be a network error of some kind.. I just can't pinpoint where it is
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13:54<artista_frustrado>and the installer's syslog just say that the http process has died
13:54<artista_frustrado>the funny thing is that on virtualbox it installs fine
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13:55<erlend>Now... I have the exact same files on a cd and a usb-stick... the files are system files so they're supposed to be loaded before starting the OS. With the cd this works fine, but the usb-stick dont work... it says "remove the disk or insert a system disk" Any ideas? the files are 100% the same...
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14:05<ali3n0>erlend: not sure I understood what you're trying, but to me seems the bios is not recognizing usb stick as a proper boot device
14:06<erlend>any way to make it understand it? I have changed the boot order in the bios to start cd/dvd first, then usb, the hdd
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14:09<erlend>ali3n0: is that different from bios to in a bios-weakness...or something we can configure?
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14:11<ali3n0>erlend: sorry, I've never tried to boot from a usb stick, and I've never built a bootable stick too. I only know that sometimes I get the same error with a doggie cdrom reader
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14:12<erlend>kk, naver made one myself eighter...just trying to make an universal "fix-it-all"-usb stick for all purposes =) looks good on I just need to make it all work ;)
14:13<erlend>ali3n0: ty, though =)
14:13<ali3n0>erlend: I know you have to burn a cd in a particular way to make it bootable, I guess there's something you have to do on a usb stick to make it boot, such as edit the mbr etc
14:13<ali3n0>erlend: good luck ;)
14:14<erlend>ali3n0: aaaah, that's a very interessting point... you're right... kk, now I know what my problem is...just have to find a way =) thanks
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14:15<ali3n0>erlend: not a prob, have fun with usb tweakening!
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14:25<Aleric>After the last time that I did apt-get upgrade, Mathematica 5.2 stopped working! :/
14:26<Aleric>It doesn't show a prompt anymore, and doesnt update the graphical display.
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14:28<artista-frustrado>DijitalWench_, do you have any idea of how I can pinpoint the exact problem ?
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14:35<tzafrir_laptop>hi, I'm trying to configure the modem at my Dell Latitude D630. lspci:
14:36<tzafrir_laptop>Bios claims that there is a modem: Conecxant HDA D330 MDC
14:36<tzafrir_laptop>And it is not disabled
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14:40<tzafrir_laptop> :-(
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14:41<dpkg>i heard laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
14:41<tzafrir_laptop>Well, I don't need it that badly
14:41<tzafrir_laptop>alephnull: that site helped me a little about other stuff. Not about the modem
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14:41<tzafrir_laptop>alephnull: I figure people don't really try to configure modems in Linux
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14:42<alephnull>tzafrir_laptop: Well, the first guide I clicked on linux-laptop suggested
14:42<tzafrir_laptop>And there was a modem HOWTO that said that those modems (AMR modems) should appear on lspci
14:43<tzafrir_laptop>this got me confused
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15:01<Thaeld>Hello, I'm trying to install debian onto my system, the install went fine, but after booting into it, I constantly get "hda: lost interrupt" messages (hda is my cd-drive) - is there anything I can do about this, or any way to solve it?
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15:04<chealer>Thaeld: which Debian suite do you use?
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15:06<Thaeld>chealer: I'm running etch (at the point of the end of march), amd64
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15:10<chealer>Thaeld: what kind of hard drive do you use?
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15:17<docmax>gut a question
15:19<docmax>anyone got vmware and compiz-fusion running?
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15:52<spooge>i can't install pidgin
15:52<spooge>need some help
15:52<spooge>please :)
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15:58<Flakk>Hi people this is not really a debian-specific question but maybe smb would be willing to help. When running a simple program
15:58<Flakk>my desktop says: overclock mode. When I stop the prog. all becomes
15:58<Flakk>OK. Usually this happens when the alu cover of the protsessor is dusty,
15:58<Flakk>but I hav ecleaned it recently. So the question is: what should I replace (if any)?
15:58<Flakk>protsessor? motherboard? harddisk? How could I check that the hard does its
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16:00<Flakk>Hi people, this is not really a debian-specific question but maybe smb would be willing to help. When running a simple program my desktop says: overclock mode. When I stop the prog. all becomes OK. Usually this happens when the alu cover of the processor is dusty, but I have cleaned it recently. So the question is: what should I replace (if any)? processor? motherboard? harddisk? How could I check that the hardware does its work?
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16:04<tzafrir_laptop>Flakk: what on your desktop says that? What program?
16:05<festhead>spooge: what did you try?
16:05<spooge>i think i compiled it right
16:05<spooge>i was able to get "configure" to work
16:05<spooge>and ./ works
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16:05<spooge>but now i can't use "make"
16:06<festhead>no errors?
16:06<spooge>make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop
16:06<Flakk><tzafrir_laptop>this is a small perl code which I have written to analyze some arrays something like" compute this and this number form this and this sequence etc.
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16:06<spooge>i am googling that error now
16:06<spooge>but i'm kind of lost
16:06<festhead>check output of configure
16:07<festhead>did you compile through terminal window?
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16:07<festhead>then you get lots of text
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16:08<spooge>i just found a config.log
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16:09<festhead>echo that output here :)
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16:09<spooge>can i use pastebin?
16:09<tzafrir_laptop>Flakk: so that error is from that script? How does it tell that there's "overclocking"?
16:10<festhead>spooge: btw did your read "README"?
16:11<spooge>i swear
16:11<spooge>but it probably didnt help me
16:11<spooge>i'm still newbie
16:11<Flakk>well - I have another computer with the same OS (= debian etch) and the same prog works without overclocking so I would not blame the script - wlell at some moment the terminal window pops up and starts to produce messages like "running aover the temperature threshold" - I do not remember exactly, but can produce the effect again if it could help :)
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16:12<festhead>look around line 380
16:12<spooge>holy crap
16:12<spooge>what does all that mean?
16:12<festhead>line 489: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
16:13<spooge>i need a parser perl module?
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16:13<festhead>did you check sourceforge?
16:14<spooge>for what?
16:14<festhead>there you can find the requirements
16:14<andy>Hi,all - I'm running lenny on a toshiba laptop with Radeon mobility M6 graphics.Since an Xorg update the external monitor's resolution is stuck on the same as laptop (1024x768) instead of 1152x864 as configured
16:14<spooge>good idea!
16:15<festhead>and if that doesn't work use precompiled via apt-get install ;)
16:16<spooge>i think i tried that
16:16<spooge>apt-get install pidgin?
16:17<spooge>i did try that
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16:17<festhead>what error?
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16:18<spooge>E: Couldn't find package pidgin
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16:19<spooge>i dont think debian has a package thing
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16:19<spooge>i cant find it in synaptic
16:19<erKURITA>there is a package pidgin
16:19<dpkg>methinks pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch from, ask me about <>
16:19<spooge>yes it is formerly gaim
16:19<bcroubcose>hey does anyone know how to fix this: VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason. Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel, e.g. virtualbox-ose-modules-generic..
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16:20<Gathond>bcroubcose: yes, install module-assistant and use that to download and compile the virtualbox kernel module
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16:20<bcroubcose>how would i go about that? im kinof new
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16:20<festhead>iyou need to update /etc/apt/sources.list
16:20<spooge>i do?
16:21<festhead>well, i can download it so...
16:21<Franki>does anyone know what I need to do to get the binfmt work with java class files? I got the kernel compiled with binfmt_misc support, the update_binfmt package installed and started up via init v and the the java jre and bin packages installed. But still, it seems that there is something missing.
16:21<spooge>how do i do that?
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16:21<spooge>what does that do?
16:21<festhead>it where apt looks for packages
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16:21<Gathond>bcroubcose: install module-assistant (package) then start it (as root)
16:21<festhead>you need to set it to a fast location near your country
16:22<spooge>that makes sense
16:22<Franki>apparently I need something like called javawrapper. unfortunately all docs about that I could find are rather old > 5 years
16:22<Gathond>bcroubcose: after that it should be easy to navigate to installing the virtualbox module by following the menus
16:22<spooge>deb etch main
16:22<spooge>deb-src etch main
16:22<spooge>deb etch/updates main contrib
16:22<spooge>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
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16:22<spooge>that is what i have now
16:23<id>споки всем )
16:23<festhead>well maybe first try apt-get update
16:24*artista-frustrado getting pissed with preseeding
16:24<tzafrir_laptop>bcroubcose: aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
16:24*Franki is desperately looking for help
16:24<artista-frustrado>May 10 17:06:18 apt-setup: warning: /usr/lib/apt-setup/generators/50mirror returned error code 1; discarding output
16:24<spooge>still can't find the package
16:25<artista-frustrado>anyone has any clue of why this is happening?
16:25<spooge>fest: that's my sources.lst
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16:27<festhead>pasted mine below yours
16:28<spooge>can you send me the link
16:28<spooge>my tab closed!
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16:29<festhead>or... download the .deb file manual:
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16:30<spooge>i'm confused
16:30<russians>Hi all!
16:30<festhead>than install it using dpkg -i filename.deb
16:30<spooge>it looks the same
16:30<spooge>but the sources.lst looks the same as mine
16:31<festhead>yeah exept i have lenny and you have etch ;)
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16:34<dpkg>i heard gaim is an AIM clone for UN*X ( It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version -, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. see <pidgin>
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16:35<russians>Who used wmii-4? How would you like this wm?
16:35<festhead>spooge: does it work?
16:36<spooge>no i dont see "lenny"
16:36<festhead>no no no
16:36<spooge>i wonder if the url is messed up
16:36<festhead>you have etch
16:36<festhead>the link earlier
16:36<festhead>to debian packages
16:37<festhead>there you have to get a .deb file from
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16:37<bcroubcose>in module-assistant i cant find virtualbox. can anyone help?
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16:37<spooge>i thought i was updating my sources.lst file
16:37<Gathond>bcroubcose: it should list something like vbox or similiar
16:38<Gathond>bcroubcose: virtualbox-ose here
16:38<bcroubcose>nothing at all
16:38<bcroubcose>or evin close
16:39<Gathond>and you have selected the update and prepare steps?
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16:39<bcroubcose>ill try again
16:39<spooge>so i can add that line to my sources.lst
16:40<russians>mpd don't want to install and print "dpkg -i error" if i using apt-get install mpd
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16:40<festhead>this is a manual download
16:40<Gathond>I'm using lenny though, that might change matters, but if you installed virtualbox-ose through debian's archives the other one should work as well
16:40<russians>what's wrong? also with aptitude
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16:40<spooge>ok, downloading the .deb
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16:41<russians>i not findher in deb format)))
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16:41<russians>don't find sorry
16:42<bcroubcose>hmmmmmm... nada.. virtualbox + me = not get along
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16:47<spooge>it almost worked!
16:47<spooge>got some errors
16:48<spooge>need some other files i guess
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16:48<spooge>but i'm almost there
16:48<spooge>thanks fest!!!
16:48<festhead>have fun
16:48<spooge>i guess it's just some dependencies i need
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16:49<shilow>which room is the primary help room here?
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16:49<PetaWindows>shilow: ?? :S
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16:49<leif>hmm a debian channel nice
16:50<shilow>which room is the primary help room here?well question i have is, anyone know of a page that tells what to do after a massive hardware upgrade to reconfigure
16:50<shilow>without reinstalling
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16:52<leif>is it bedst to wait for a oficial debian pack to get out or complie self
16:52<PetaWindows>shilow: do you have errors with your new hardware?
16:53<shilow>well so far i have no eth0 and only eth1 it keeps loadingthe moduiles and i removed it from the file
16:53<shilow>and i am now getting dhcp discover errors
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16:53<shilow>and forced to use a static ip
16:53<shilow>other than that it seems fine
16:53<shilow>would making a custom kernel fix everything
16:54<shilow>i'm not even gonna switch to 64bit
16:54<shilow>it'd blow my system to hell
16:55<shilow>because my system is still loading modules from my last hardware
16:56<PetaWindows>shilow: remove those modules...
16:57<shilow>my /etc/modules file is empty cept loop
16:57<shilow>is there more files to edit?
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17:00<PetaWindows>shilow: to load or unload modules you must execute these commands: "modprobe module" "rmmod module" where module the name of the module
17:01<PetaWindows>shilow: if you want to see which modules are already loaded use the command lsmod
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17:01<shilow>i cant find the modules in lsmod
17:01<shilow>i forget what it was
17:01<shilow>i'll have to look
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17:01<PetaWindows>try "lsmod | grep whatever"
17:02<PetaWindows>where whatever, whatever you are looking for xD
17:02<shilow>question .. if i did a custom kernel would it redo all the modules loaded at boot?
17:02<PetaWindows>redo? :S
17:03<shilow>well erase everythin that loads
17:03<shilow>and be i guess "fresh"
17:03<Skrat>NTFS or FAT file system?
17:03<PetaWindows>no idea :S
17:04<Skrat>VirtualBox Windows installation
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17:04<leif>hmm got a small prob whit alsa and my sound card
17:04<shilow>well i'll google somemore
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17:08<leif>any one can answer som q aboudt debian i am new
17:08<bcroubcose>my dvd drive wont play any movies,does anyone know of any links were i can get that figured out?
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17:10<bcroubcose>hmmm.. nevermind, I guess if worst comes to worst, I still have a tv for that
17:10<leif>does debian update it self when new stable progs is released
17:11<bcroubcose>itll let you know
17:11<leif>ok so i should just wait for new versions to get released
17:11<bcroubcose>what do you mean?
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17:12<leif>i am new in linux and dont know how to compile programs me self
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17:13<bcroubcose>yeah i dont either.. if you need to download o prog.. just download from add/remove on the menu, or download a .deb
17:14<shilow>if you use sid/lenny you get alot of newer programs
17:14<shilow>but sometimes things break on you
17:14<shilow>compiling is easy i just like to use the package system easier to clean up
17:14<leif>ok yeah i just start on deb files
17:16<shilow>well if you change your /etc/apt/sources.list you can upgrade to lenny/sid/unstable and you get alot of newer programs that could "possibly" be unstable
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17:16<shilow>even thought it's considered unstable it's alot more stable that xp was
17:16<leif>yeah i am happy whit linux
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17:17<shilow>i have been for years
17:18<leif>just changed to day
17:19<leif>to morrow you must learn me to change for the unstabel version
17:19<shilow>well google google and google some more
17:19<shilow>it's easy
17:19<shilow>you just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
17:19<shilow>change a few words
17:19<shilow>and apt-get dist-upgrade
17:20<Guest302>how do i boot knoppix after i installed to my hard drive?
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17:21<leif>is there a gfx version to look at files in the dirs
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17:21<shilow>you in X or console?
17:21<PetaWindows>Guest302: it is supposed to run automatically
17:22<leif>is in gnome and is working from colsol
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17:24<leif>is there a grafix version of consol
17:26<PetaWindows>leif: ??:S
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17:42<acu>hey guys - I am puzlled - I run AMD 64 I have in sources.list lenny main contrib non-free - however if I update and upgrade the kernel remains as 2.6.24-1 it does not change to the last one which lenny is on 2.6.24-6 can anyone tell me why ?
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17:44<valdyn>acu: because its a new kernel, not an upgraded kernel
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17:44<acu>valdyn: is any way I can switch to the new one ?
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17:44<valdyn>acu: like "aptitude install <package>"
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17:45<googlah>How can I contribute to Debian? Let's say, I want to make package-name better.
17:46<valdyn>googlah: report the bug you fixed by making it better
17:46<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
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17:48<yosolopreview>alguien podri echarme un manita
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17:48<yosolopreview>con el boot de linux
17:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:50<PetaWindows>yosolopreview: este canal es solo ingl?s
17:50<acu>valdyn (and anyone else) If I check in synaptic package manager I found package linux-image-2-6-24-1-amd64 and in installed version is linux-image-2-6-24-6 however if I run uname -a I get 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1
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17:54<Skrat>Hi all
17:54<Skrat>I have an intermittent screen resoloution problem
17:54<Skrat>My computer sometimes starts up with only 640x480 resoloution
17:54<Skrat>Screen Resoloution lists no others
17:54<Skrat>what can i do?
17:56<valdyn>acu: arent you confused? the package is linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64, the package version is 2.6.24-6, currently, in lenny
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17:57<valdyn>acu: the first is a package name, the 2nd its version.
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17:58<acu>valdyn - OK so I am fine - i want to remove my netatalk apt-get remove purge netatalk (or how should I do it ) something is screwed with netatalk and I do not need it anyway
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18:00<Skrat>What can I do?
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18:02<acu>skrat: few options - you need to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose some more resolutions - however your most probably problem is the vga card driver - what vga card do you have ?
18:02<PetaWindows>Skrat: It's and old screen? the same happened to me, and I resolved that by upgrading my nvidia drivers.....
18:02<PetaWindows>resolved is correct? :S I mean "fixed"
18:02<acu>skrat: you may have some screwed refresh rates or something like this
18:04<Skrat>It's an old computer, yah
18:04<Skrat>Old screen, no
18:04<Skrat>acu; i did nothing to any refresh rates
18:05<Skrat>Should i do the reconfigure thing?
18:06<acu>first you need to know what vga card you have
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18:07<acu>then you have to reboot and choose single user mode - and in black screen you need to enter as root and do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:07<PetaWindows>Skrat: I'd try what acu said, "dpkg-reconfigura xserver-xorg" or adding the resolutions manually in /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
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18:09<Skrat>PetaWindows; the only listings in xorg.conf are 24 depth with 1024x768!
18:09<Skrat>But yet it remains 640 by 480
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18:11<acu>skrat: wait
18:11<Skrat>wait? For?
18:12<acu>if you have not connected (or ON) your monitor while you boot - the debian will have only 640 480
18:12<acu>so when you boot your screen SHOULD BE ON (and obviously suport 1024 768
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18:13<Skrat>It is on when I boot it. :|
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18:13<acu>skrat: paste your xorg.conf file
18:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:14<Guest307>hello, i've a problem on my eeepc. i've compiled 2 libreries for gnomad2 on desktop and now i can't delte the directory of libreries
18:14<Guest307>i'm desperate...anybody can help me???
18:15<acu>skrat: there are other TWO alternatives: 1. Your monitor is NOT PROPERLY pluged in the VGA card - 2. your VGA card might not be properly sited in its PCI slot
18:15<Skrat>Is there any way to FORCIBLY change the resoloution?
18:16<noflash>Guest307, try #debian-eeepc
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18:16<acu>sometimes you get this kind of abnormalities - no force - inteligence only :) you have to have the resolution mentioned in your xorg.conf
18:16<Skrat> *
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18:17<Skrat>acu, what?
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18:18<acu>so I think your section of Monitor should have some specific resolutions - let me look for some of my old xorg files
18:19<Skrat>It does...
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18:20<acu>skrat: not on the file you pasted it - you have only on SCREEN different resolutions (with only one depth 24)
18:20<niky>si sono italiani?
18:20<niky>ci sono italiani?
18:20<Skrat>acu; I didn't understand that
18:20<Skrat>Could you rephrase that? :S
18:20<niky>are there italian?
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18:21<niky>there are italian in this chat?
18:21<PetaWindows>nike: #debian-it
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18:21<Riccardo>io sono italiano
18:21<PetaWindows>niky: #debian-it
18:22<niky>thank all
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18:22<PetaWindows>niky: but only 12 ppl :S
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18:22<acu>There is a Section "Monitor" there you have Identifier and Option - you could add there Depth and Modes (similar to those on the next section) Section "Screen" is actually the VGA configuration so the VGA configuration and the Monitor should have some common paramaters (and should be suported by them)
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18:23<niky>shit only 12!!!
18:23<Skrat>acu; so i should copy everything in the "Screen" section, to the "Monitor" section?
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18:24<acu>Skrat: you should look in internet for some samples of xorg because if you screw it you will need to go in text mode to change it back (using nano or other text editor)
18:24<Skrat>I use Cl all the time, i have no fear of nano. :)
18:24*Skrat tests
18:24<acu>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg suposedly would take care of all this - however adding resolution
18:25<Skrat>That was waaay to confusing
18:25<Skrat>It failed
18:25<Skrat>Text mode for me. ;(
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18:26<acu>skrat - the effect of xorg.conf will take action only once you reboot
18:27<niky>1 ask-------
18:27<petemc>no, you just need to restart x
18:27<niky>what is best system based on linux?
18:28<Gathond>niky: and do you seriously expect an unbiased answer? seeing as how this happens to be a channel dedicated to ope particular such system
18:30<niky>sorry my english is not cool!
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18:31<Skrat>acu, not true
18:31<Skrat>killall X
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18:31<Gathond>niky: basically: asking that in #debian is not that great an idea, as people here thinks debian is good, otherwise they would not be here
18:32<acu>skrat: i looked on some old xorg.confs -- it seem that for monitors I did not have resolutions - just ranges of refresh rates
18:32<Gathond>niky: so asking that question here seems silly to me
18:32<acu>maybe the best is to do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:33<niky>a ok
18:33<acu>before doing that you might want to update everything
18:33<niky>stupid ask
18:33<acu>what do you use Etch or lenny ?
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18:34<usuario>hello, i need help in order to upgrade my debian to etchr3 (from 4.0) i use dselect and after select cdrom (i have it from a magazine and i dont want to download all) program request me for dir binary-i386 and every reponses i type are bad and i cannot continue [sorry for my english, i'm from spain]
18:35<NinjaMan>I have an apache2 server which proxies a lighttpd server for PHP applications and now documentation directories
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18:36<NinjaMan>however lighttpd can serve compressed documents with the correct encoding to allow the browser to decompress on the fly
18:36<Skrat>acu; I use 4.0
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18:37<NinjaMan>how do I exclude compressed content (e.g. '.gz') from being proxied and have it served directly by apache1?
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18:37<usuario>please, can someone help me to upgrade?
18:37<acu>skrat: I think you should: copy and rename your xorg.conf - then go in text mode and do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:38<acu>if it failes you just erased the newly created xorg.conf and rename back your old xorg.conf and restart x
18:38<NinjaMan>usuario pastebin your sources.list file
18:39<acu>Skrat: I have to leave now - i might keep an eye on it - but good luck - the bottom line is that you should risk :)
18:39<acu>just do it
18:39<Skrat>See you, thanks. :)
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18:40<acu>skrat: welcome
18:40<usuario>this is my /etc/apt/source.list file
18:40<usuario># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40]/ etch contrib main
18:40<usuario>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20080217-11:31]/ etch contrib main
18:40<usuario>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40]/ etch contrib main
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18:43<mzhang>Have a question about bash - how to ask bash script to fill 0 before numbers, like if $seq=0, how to instruct it to print '09' by $seq?
18:44<Ikarus>mzhang: rtfm, but usually -w option sufficies
18:44<Skrat>Bow chicka bow wow!
18:44<Skrat>It WORKS
18:45<[machine]>mzhang: printf "%02d" $seq
18:46<mzhang>[machine]: thanks, how to incorporate that in a file name? Like I would call "plot.$seq"?
18:46<mzhang>[machine], if no easy way, I have dumber ways as to generate the two digits separately, though.
18:48<[machine]>mzhang: i guess use plot.$(blah) or plot.`blah`
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18:51<Skrat>Ok, now whenever I pass the login stage, my screen says "Out of range"
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18:51<Skrat>It's the physical screen saying that, not X
18:51<Skrat>fuck, what has it gone and done?
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18:59<angelo>how can I see the system time in console?
19:00<Gathond>date anyway
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19:06<woden>I'm using Debian Lenny and GNOME. How do I encrypt a file, by right-clicking a text file and selecting Encrypt?
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19:09<woden>I installed g++, why is there no man g++?
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19:12<woden>How would I compile this c++ code?
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19:13<woden>I tried "g++ file.cpp" with file.cpp having the contents shown on that pastebin link. Is that the correct way to use g++?
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19:23<avu>woden, apart from the fact that system("PAUSE"); won't do anything on a normal debian system and that you do not have the necessary includes to use it, yes :)
19:25<avu>woden, (the first part is because there is no program names PAUSE, but maybe you made/installed one? :))
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19:29<woden>avu: What includes are missing?
19:30<avu>woden, stdlib.h, see man 3 system
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19:32<avu>woden, also, to your earlier question: to have a g++ manpage, you have to install gcc-doc
19:32<woden>avu: "apt-cache search gcc-doc" shows nothing.
19:33<craigevil>woden: you need non-free contrib in your sources
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19:34<woden>craigevil: gcc is non-free?
19:34<craigevil>the docs are
19:35<woden>I think I'll pass. I have a clean system.
19:35<avu>non free in the dfsg sense
19:36<avu>it'll just be because they use the GNU doc license
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19:38<woden>How do I encrypt a file, by right-clicking a text file and selecting Encrypt?
19:39<avu>in nautilus you mean?
19:39<avu>there, this is an option, right
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19:40<woden>avu: yes in nautilus
19:41<woden>avu: I right-click a file and choose encrypt, but the dialog that comes up is empty.
19:41<avu>woden, 'empty'?
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19:41<avu>woden, you mean, you don't have any gpg keys?
19:42<avu>woden, well then go make one :)
19:42<woden>avu: I'm not sure...what is a gpg key?
19:42<blubberdiblub>are there any major benefits and/or drawbacks to running a i386 debian install with a *-amd64 kernel?
19:42<woden>avu: I just want to be able to encrypt a file using right-click --> encrypt. But the dialogue that comes up doesn't show any options that are useable.
19:42<avu>woden, a key fpr gnupg 8)
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19:42<avu>woden, the dialog uses gpg
19:43<norbert_>hi all, is there a /free/ Settlers (the one from 2007) like game for Linux?
19:43<avu>woden, it want's you to select a recipient for the file
19:43<norbert_>(a fantasy game with beautiful graphics?)
19:43<woden>avu: What do they mean by recipient? Can't I just encrypt the file on my filesystem?
19:43<avu>woden, gpg uses an asymetrical encryption scheme
19:44<avu>woden, so you need to encrypt a file using the public key belonging to the private key that should be able to decrypt it
19:44<avu>woden, sure you can
19:45<woden>avu: okay, I'm somewhat familiar with the concept of public key private key
19:45<avu>woden, the nautilus encrypt otion uses gpg. it a) does not offer all the possibilities that gpg has (there is symetrical encryption, too and b) is not the only way to encrypt a file
19:45<woden>avu: so do I need to install a package to get the nautilus encryption to show gpg keys?
19:46<blubberdiblub>norbert_: "widelands" is a "the settlers 2"-like game (build up strategy). but you have to decide for yourself wether it is beautiful. i don't know the "settlers" you are referring to
19:46<avu>woden, I think gpg was already pulled in as a dependency
19:46<avu>woden, so all you need it some public keys to encrypt the file with and make them known to gpg
19:46<woden>avu: So I need to create the keys?
19:46<norbert_>blubberdiblub: ok, widelands is like the old settlers, not the new one
19:46<woden>avu: Is there a GNOME utility for this?
19:47<avu>woden, seahorse helps you manage gpg keys
19:47<blubberdiblub>norbert_, i don't know the "new one"
19:47<woden>avu: Applications --> Accessories --> Passwords and Encryption Keys
19:47<avu>woden, that's the one
19:47<norbert_>blubberdiblub: 3d world, where you walk around, and such
19:47<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:48<woden>Is this ^ current?
19:48<woden>And working for Lenny?
19:48<avu>no idea, I do not use proprietary drivers
19:49<woden>Unfortunately, nv doesn't support my 8800M GTS
19:49<woden>And vesa looks like utter crap
19:49<avu>I just only buy hardware that works well with the OS I use ;)
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19:51<blubberdiblub>norbert_: you could look for other strategy games. i'm not really into that genre, sorry. boson, glob2 are 2 strategy games that come to my mind. but i don't think they really classify as beautiful
19:52<norbert_>wesnoth is 2d
19:53<norbert_>I'm looking for a 3d game, fantasy-like, with beautiful graphics, that works under Linux and is free
19:53<norbert_>and then the best of its kind :)
19:53<avu>ah, so you're just a sucker
19:54<norbert_>define "sucker"
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19:54<norbert_>PlaneShift maybe, something like that
19:55<avu>norbert_, in this case, someone who cries an unreasonable amount of "GIMME GIMME"
19:55<blubberdiblub>isn't there a linux port of planeshift? why not try that then?
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19:56<norbert_>avu: well, unreasonable amount, I just asked one thing :)
19:56<avu>norbert_, if you start defining 'good game' by standards that actually make sense (as in 'fun to play' for example) you'll find many good open source games. But expecting commercial style bling is just stupid
19:57<avu>norbert_, that being said, there are some games using the now free quake family engines which I guess qualify for 'beautiful graphics'
19:57<norbert_>well, I don't expect that... I just hope to find the best of its kind
19:57<avu>wesnoth, for example, is the best of its kind.
19:57<norbert_>I know and I agree, but that's 2d (or semi-3d)
19:57<avu>so what?
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19:58<norbert_>well, as I said before, that's not what I'm looking for
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19:58<avu>yeah, but that's just dumb :)
19:58<norbert_>you do know the difference between a 2d game like Wesnoth and a 3d mmorpg... right?
19:58<norbert_>how is that dumb?
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19:59<avu>well because the fact if a game uses 2d or 3d worlds doesn't say anything about how much fun it can be to play it
19:59<avu>and that's the only thing that matters in a game
19:59<norbert_>well, that's very subjective and just your opinion
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20:00<avu>but it's ok, I'll do what I should have done from the start and ignore your nonsense, sorry
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20:02<norbert_>it's not nonsense, there can be more reasons why people want or like to play games besides how much fun they are, and this is different for each individual
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20:07<dondelelcaro>it's even simpler than that; why games are fun and why people play them is different for each person
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20:20<Laeborg>Sometime i got this error when i boot up my system: Could not stat the resume device file. ........ or Enter to reboot system. Then i type enter a get this error: '/bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off'
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20:22<Laeborg>anyone who can help me?
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20:25<Laeborg>the only thing i can find when i google it, is that it could be something with my partions
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20:33<angelillo>q onda
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20:43<black_13>is there a command or method blank the terminal
20:43<dendrite>black_13: 'reset' or 'clear'
20:44<dendrite>black_13: reset also zaps the scrollback buffer.
20:44<black_13>i was more think of just turning off no clearing
20:44<black_13>clear does not turn off the command prompt
20:45<dendrite>You want tturn off the shell prompt?
20:45<dendrite>black_13: As in, completely blank screen?
20:45<dendrite>black_13: clear; read
20:45<dendrite>(hit enter to get your prompt back)
20:45<phorce1_>man setterm
20:46<black_13>i was looking at setterm
20:46<Kjetil>what do you need it for ?
20:46<dendrite>Kjetil: Maybe because '$' gives away too much information. :-)
20:46<black_13>i wan to turn off any out put the tty1 during bootup
20:47<dendrite>Install windows?
20:47<black_13>i am being serious
20:47<Kjetil>what kind of output ?
20:48<phorce1_>try setterm -powersave powerdown
20:48<black_13>i will try that
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20:48<dendrite>black_13: While not what you probably want, I guess you could set the foreground and background colors to be the same...
20:49<phorce1_>you can't get that to actually DO anything during boot until it reaches the point that it's running rc scripts though
20:49<black_13>no thats cool hand not thought about that
20:49<black_13>its the rc scripts that i want to "quiet" or hide
20:50<black_13>of course i want them to run
20:50<black_13>i want to power on the machine and xorg to run and then tada the kiosk app
20:50<black_13>i dont want customers to see my slip showing
20:51<dendrite>black_13: Other option is to hack /etc/init.d/rc to redirect all console output to /dev/null
20:51<black_13>dendrite, is there once central way to do that?
20:52<black_13>actually if i could send it to a log file that would be fine
20:52<dendrite>black_13: Look at that script.
20:53<black_13>im looking im looking :)
20:54<dendrite>It would take a bit of tweaking, but I'd be surprised if that couldn't be made to work.
20:54<dendrite>black_13: I seem to recall a "bootsplash" type thingy, that might serve as well -- maybe let you put up some graphic.
20:55<black_13>it does a lot of covering
20:55<black_13>but there is brief hand off from bootsplash to xorg where you see some of the rc scripts
20:56<dendrite>So maybe a combination of redirecting, plus usplash or similar...
20:57<black_13>is /etc/init.d/rc responsbile for running the other rc scripts or something else
20:57<black_13>i was hoping for a single central idea ... turn off something then turn that something back on
20:57<dendrite>black_13: /etc/init.d/rc loops and runs the /etc/rcN.d/S* scripts, I believe.
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20:58<black_13>dendrite, well its easy enough to verify
20:58<dendrite>black_13: Well, there is /etc/init.d/rcS ...
20:58<dendrite>that might be easier.
20:59<dendrite>replace the exec line -- something like appending &> /some/file
20:59<black_13>"exec /etc/init.d/rc_S"
21:00<dendrite>Not _S -- rc S (space in there)
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21:00<dendrite>black_13: Make sure the dump file is located on / partition...
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21:00<black_13>i see
21:01<dendrite>Heh. Or /dev, as in, /dev/null... I guess that should also work..
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21:02<dendrite>black_13: Are you trying this now? Because I'm curious to know how it works.
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21:02<dendrite>Not that I would want to hide all that on my machines... =)
21:03<black_13>i would need to create another vm
21:03<dendrite>black_13: Ah, you're developing this in vms. Cool. Does usplash work there?
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21:04<black_13>well not for a vm
21:04<dendrite>Ah, I was wondering.
21:04<black_13>its just easier
21:04<black_13>if you trash something in the vm who cares?
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21:04<dendrite>black_13: Oh, c'mon. You're only screwing with your init system.. What could POSSIBLY go wrong???
21:04*dendrite whistles innocently...
21:05<dendrite>black_13: What VM setup are you using?
21:05<dendrite>Ah. Not familiar w/ vmware.
21:05<black_13>best performance i have found so far
21:05<black_13>qemu is SA LOOOOW
21:05<black_13>but free
21:05<dendrite>Yeah, it is.
21:05<dendrite>I use Xen.
21:06<dendrite>That's decently fast.
21:06<black_13>is Xen on win32
21:06<dendrite>I was asking because of the possibility of stopping the vm, and mounting it's disk image, to do a fix, if necessary.
21:07<dendrite>black_13: ... Xen ... I have no idea if it's ported to windows.
21:07<dendrite>black_13: Unless you mean can win32 run under xen -- it can, if your processor has hardware virtualization capabilities.
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21:08<black_13>other way
21:08<dendrite>I don't think win32 can act as a host for Xen, but I have no idea.
21:08<dendrite>I sort of doubt it.
21:09<black_13>is has to have special kernel to run
21:09<black_13>well i am at fork in the road
21:09<dendrite>Right. Under Linux, Xen is actually a hypervisor, into which your Dom0 boots.
21:09<dendrite>black_13: Take it!
21:09<black_13>i can make a new vm that takes some time
21:09<dendrite>(the fork, that is)
21:09<dondelelcaro>why would you actually want to run Xen on windows
21:10<black_13>or i can take your advice to live system im building and leave everything alone
21:10<black_13>i am going for the later
21:10<dendrite>dondelelcaro: :)
21:11<black_13>dondelelcaro, i just asked a question
21:11<black_13>you its funny on iirc you often ask question ... you say "i want a with b"
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21:11<black_13>and you get "a with b what are you!" a never goes with !
21:12<dondelelcaro>there are lots of combinations of A and B which make little sense; when you use one, people are going to ask you why you are doing so.
21:13<black_13>im not picking you its just i have been getting a lot of it
21:13<black_13>except you dendrite i love you
21:13<dendrite>black_13: While perhaps dondelelcaro's question, coming in #debian, might seem snarky, it's a question that could have had an interesting answer. =)
21:13<dendrite>Awww shucks.
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21:15<dendrite>black_13: Re creating a fresh vm -- can you not just copy an existing one?
21:15<black_13>you are saying you are creating one?
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21:16<dendrite>Not I. You said it'd take a while to create a fresh vm.
21:16<black_13>my other problem i am on laptop it gets expensive
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21:16<black_13>it will
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21:24<black_13>dendrite, now comes the long and ugly process of downloding the debs
21:24<dendrite>Heh. You mean to create a new vm?
21:25<black_13>sorta a debian live image ... its ultimate output is an iso
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21:25<dendrite>black_13: You can cp 'em from a local source, into /var/cache/apt/archives/ -- if that helps.
21:25<black_13>that i plan to boot in qemu
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21:25<dendrite>black_13: As in jigdo?
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21:26<dendrite>black_13: Ah. Gotcha.
21:26<black_13>so going back it am going to mod etc
21:26<dendrite>If you're doing much of that, it may be worth setting up a proxy, and tuning it to cache debs -- or otherwise setting up a local mirror...
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21:27<black_13>it would be worthwill
21:28<black_13>but they are already downloaded
21:28<dendrite>... I would have sworn debootstrap could use local debs.
21:28<black_13>using a cache manager
21:28<black_13>like you said
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21:30<black_13>so i would need to mod /etc/init.d/rcS
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21:31<dendrite>black_13: That would be my first attempt.
21:32<dendrite>black_13: Note that this WILL void your warranty. =)
21:33<black_13>actually there is no warranty
21:33<dendrite>black_13: Heh. No kidding.
21:34<dendrite>I think it actually says "NO WARRANTY" ...
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21:35<black_13>man i have to go there is this kid and his bitter mom arguing over family business in the coffee shop
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21:36<black_13>yeah really
21:36<dendrite>black_13: Just go over, point at one of them, and shout "YOU'RE WRONG!"
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21:36<dendrite>Then dive under a table.
21:36<black_13>she looks like she could take me in fair fight
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21:39*black_13 hey birdman did you get that thing i sent you
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21:41<black_13>dendrite, how later are you up?
21:41<dendrite>black_13: No promises.
21:41<dendrite>black_13: No idea, either.
21:41<black_13>thats cool
21:41<dendrite>I may wander off and watch some boob tube, or read.
21:41<birdman>ok, i was about to have a problem, but it seems to have magicly fixed itself :D
21:41<dendrite>black_13: But I'm not the only person here that can help, I'm sure.
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21:42<black_13>your are the only that has stepped up
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21:42<birdman>o wait, i lied. when i try to unrar, i get the following error: unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found
21:43<birdman>but theres no newer version of glibc, least my repo's dont have it
21:43<black_13>can you remake from source
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21:44<black_13>later on dude
21:44<birdman>nah im using the non-free one.
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22:20<Franki>I just wanted to upgrad to java6 and I realized how bloaty the java packages from sun are. Aren't there some more lightweight java packages than those, because I never used about 95% of the stuff in java5?
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22:32<zweetaar>when booting with sidux... what do i do after im in "grub>"
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22:32<Nemoder>this is a debian support channel, try #sidux
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23:01<crc>Where can I go to look up information as to why certain packages are removed. For example Synergy is missing from lenny but its in etch.
23:02<zweetaar>hey guys
23:02<zweetaar>please tell me a few advantages of deb etch over sidux
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23:03<dendrite>zweetaar: How are we supposed to know about sidux?
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23:04<zweetaar>u use etch?
23:04<dendrite>zweetaar: On production systems, yes.
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23:08<chealer>zweetaar: you can rely on etch. it's more stable and more used.
23:08<zweetaar>hi chealer
23:08<zweetaar>i m in the sidux room too
23:09<zweetaar>these guys have super confused me
23:09<zweetaar>they are telling me etch is 2 years old technology
23:09<zweetaar>sidux is upto date
23:09<zweetaar>stick with sidux
23:09<Franki>hmm, i wouldn't care if it was 2 years old
23:09<zweetaar>now i have a 386 an amd64 deb etch
23:10<zweetaar>a sidux amd64
23:10<Franki>I just wanted to upgrad to java6 and I realized how bloaty the java packages from sun are. Aren't there some more lightweight java packages than those, because I never used about 95% of the stuff in java5?
23:10<zweetaar>and they are telling me to use a 386 32 bit to use on 64 as the 64 bit iso have roblem
23:10<zweetaar>i m so confused
23:10<zweetaar>does 386 iso work on 64 amd?
23:11<Franki>? how comes they think that you should use 32bit for a 64bit machine?
23:11<Franki>this can't be...
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23:13<zweetaar>i all hotchpoth
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23:19<erKURITA><zweetaar> does 386 iso work on 64 amd? <= yes it does
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23:21<nslater>hello, i run testing and upgraded today, now exim4 wont start, i get this message:
23:21<nslater>tarting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments
23:21<nslater>any ideas?
23:21<dendrite>nslater: What flavor of Debian?
23:21<nslater>testing, main
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23:22<dendrite>nslater: I gave up on Exim, we use postfix now...
23:22<nslater>^^ related?
23:27<zweetaar>so in short just tell me this: i have an amd 64 and i m using sidux just to see how it works and whthere i have r/w access to ntfs partitions or not... so if after checking that it works fine if i install debian 4 64 amd will i be able to live on linux more than windows as i have both.??
23:28<cwood>zweetaar: given that the question involves your subjective and very personalized needs, you are the only one who can answer that.
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23:29<zweetaar>and why are people who r using sidux criticising debian so much?
23:29<cwood>Eh, ask them.
23:29<cwood>!not debian
23:29<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
23:29<chealer>zweetaar: what do you mean by "live on linux more than windows"?
23:29<cwood>!debian policy
23:29<dpkg>methinks debian policy is a set of rules giving policy requirements for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. (or install debian-policy).
23:30<zweetaar>live = use
23:30<chealer>nslater: is there anything that makes you think it's not related?
23:31<zweetaar>plus i just need feedback as i m confused i dont think its offtopic
23:31<cwood>If all you want are Windows games, you will not be using Debian. If, on the other hand, you need a full php/mysql/etc. environment, then likely Debian will be a better place.
23:31<dendrite>zweetaar: Do you value latest features, or a stable system, that does not change often?
23:31<dendrite>zweetaar: Do you run hardware that is very new, such that you need very recent drivers?
23:32<zweetaar>please i m not that dumb that i'll think that codes written for windows will work on linux platform x(
23:32<dendrite>zweetaar: That's not what I said.
23:32<zweetaar>but is it not that even if use debian
23:32*nslater installs exim from unstable
23:32<zweetaar>i'll be able to download codes for the recent drivers?
23:32<cwood>I didn't say you were. You haven't said what you spend your computer time using, so I have no idea whether you'll spend more time using Debian or Windows.
23:33<dendrite>zweetaar: sidix appears to be based on code that changes more often than etch does, basically.
23:33<zweetaar>not for u dendrite
23:33<dendrite>zweetaar: OK. Point is, whoever you're responding to, that you have to evaluate this using *specific* measures, not some vague "which is generally better" type question.
23:34<zweetaar>i need a stable sys ... plus idont want to use live cds... so if use debian . am i stuck with same drivers softwares without any updates?
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23:35<zweetaar>if u can compile codes in linux why sidux so diff than debian
23:36<dendrite>zweetaar: The point of choosing to run a distribution is, generally, that you can then rely on that distribution's support system to manage security updates, etc.
23:36<dendrite>Assuming you're in the same general family of distro's, that is.
23:37<zweetaar>i m not running servers or nothing serious i just want to use linux for learning and for fun... mostly because i m sick of windows crashing 28 times a day
23:37<chealer>zweetaar: same as what?
23:37<zweetaar>but this looks so much confusing now
23:37<chealer>!tell zweetaar about u
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23:37<dendrite>zweetaar: What I would do then is try a few different ones, and draw your own conclusions.
23:38<dendrite>zweetaar: What is confusing you?
23:38<zweetaar>what version should i use
23:38<dendrite>zweetaar: I see.
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23:38<zweetaar>i have 3 versions already on the hd and people are telling me to download more
23:39<dendrite>zweetaar: Of those three, which do you like the most?
23:39<chealer>zweetaar: depends on your needs
23:39<zweetaar>sometells me on that java is screwed up
23:39<dendrite>zweetaar: Java screwed up? That's by design. ;-)
23:39<zweetaar>needs... that i will kow when i start usin it
23:40<zweetaar>if i plan to change my needs i have to switch my os?
23:40<dendrite>zweetaar: So, what are the three you've installed and are now runnable?
23:40<cwood>zweetaar: it might help you to read the documentation for a few distributions, then pick one or two to try based on which you found best suited to you.
23:40<chealer>zweetaar: not necessarily
23:40<dendrite>zweetaar: No, I'm just saying that since you have these things installed, you can look at them.
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23:41<zweetaar>so if i want something else i cannot download that?
23:41<dendrite>zweetaar: Of course you can!
23:41<dendrite>zweetaar: What seems to be confusing you is the huge amount of choice you have.
23:41<zweetaar>what i heard about linux is ... its core is same .... comes with diffrent packages thats what makes it different versions
23:42<dendrite>zweetaar: So, it may help for you to just make a decision, and live with that for a while, and learn from what you see.
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23:42<zweetaar>so if i install one and downlaod stuff what i need i'll be able to make what i need
23:42<dendrite>zweetaar: Your idea of core being same, and packaging making a big difference is not far off.
23:42<zweetaar>so i can just use anyone then
23:42<dendrite>zweetaar: Any decent modern flavor of Linux will probably serve to get you started.
23:43<dendrite>zweetaar: Yes, you can.
23:43<zweetaar>so sidux people were just fucking around with me? x(
23:43<dendrite>zweetaar: Pay attention to the "philosophy" and "reason" for the different distros.
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23:43<craigevil>no you just didnt get the point
23:43<dendrite>zweetaar: For instance, there are distros that are good for Internet servers, and others that are good for multimedia.
23:44<dendrite>zweetaar: We can't speak for other channels, or distros.
23:44<zweetaar>i get that
23:44<tj_><---- tried redhat, mandrake, debian, and now in love with Ubuntu the best for modern primary desktop usage in my opinion.
23:44<craigevil>sidux follows debian policy and DFSG it just based on Debian unstable/sid which isn't really meant to be used by newbies
23:44<zweetaar>so if i get a version which is gud for multimedia and then i want to use it as a server .. what do i do?
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23:44<black_13>dendrite, still up
23:45<dendrite>zweetaar: So don't worry too much about making the *right* decision. Just make a decision, run with it, learn from it, then make your next move based on what you learn.
23:45<dendrite>zweetaar: Odds are if you are running a multimedia system, and need a server system, you'd be using more than one machine...
23:45<dendrite>black_13: Heh. IRC is ... you know.
23:46<dendrite>zweetaar: Remember also that a MAJOR driving force behind Linux is the fun of learning.
23:46<zweetaar>hehe... i wont stop asking question u know... i m very anal ;P
23:46<zweetaar>ya and thats what i want linux for basicaly
23:46<dendrite>zweetaar: Just try to make your questions good ones, that show that you've done your homework. :-)
23:47<zweetaar>thats a gud response to get me started... :) thanks dendrite
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23:47<dendrite>zweetaar: Enjoy.
23:47<zweetaar>and thanks everyone
23:48<chealer>zweetaar: you find the best distro for servers, and if you're not already using it, you estimate the cost of switching to it and the benefits of switching to it, and you switch to it if and only if the benefits are superior to the cost.
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23:49<cwood>Or if you're like me, you start with Debian Stable, move to Testing, and then eventually to Sid when you really need to learn to fix what broke. ;)
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23:49<dendrite>cwood: And then you get taken away by the guys in the white coats... =)
23:49<cwood>Sid was very good at letting me ramp up in basic skills at a relatively faster rate.
23:50<dendrite>Yeah, Sid is certainly good for that.
23:50<zweetaar>there u go again
23:50<chealer>cwood: all Debian suites are approximately equal in all areas
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23:50<dendrite>zweetaar: Forget about Sid. It's very hard until you know your way around Debian very well.
23:50<cwood>Are they? I've never had the breakage from Stable that I've had from Unstable.
23:50<zweetaar>its like a sine wave...
23:51<zweetaar>just one more thing
23:51<chealer>cwood: "areas" being multimedia, server, etc. but not characteristics like stability
23:51<zweetaar>ntfs r/w support works fine with debian?
23:51<dpkg>i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
23:52<zweetaar>cool that was the source of all confusion.. now i can chuck sidux :)
23:52<chealer>zweetaar: if properly configured, yes
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23:53<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
23:53<dendrite>zweetaar: BTW, for longer conversations with the dpkg bot, you can /msg dpkg -- and start a private conversation.
23:54<Gekz>dont get too kinky though
23:54<Gekz>he doesnt like it
23:54<dendrite>She, I thought.
23:54<black_13>Gekz, does it have a gender?
23:54<Gekz>black_13: depends on what language you speak
23:54<dpkg>I'm male
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23:54<Gekz>oh pwned
23:54<zweetaar>oh damn
23:55<black_13>or something from an ursula k. lequinn novel
23:55<dpkg>I'm sexless
23:55<dendrite>Ha ha ha
23:55<dpkg>I'm male
23:55<dendrite>pwned indeed.
23:55<dpkg>I'm gay
23:55<cwood>Rapid switching of identities.
23:55<zweetaar>hehe variable gender
23:55<Gekz>shut up a minute
23:55<Gekz>stop abusing the bot
23:55<dpkg>Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at or
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23:56<dpkg>from memory, rape is forced sexual intercourse widely considered a serious offense throughout the world and not a word to be treated lightly, as it offends some people's personhood at a very deep level.
23:56<ravenbird>vt. 1. To screw someone or something, violently; in particular, to destroy a program or information irrecoverably. Often used in describing file-system damage. "So-and-so was running a program that did absolute disk I/O and ended up raping the master directory." 2. To strip a piece of hardware for parts.
23:56<zweetaar>oh shit
23:57<zweetaar>@cyborg rape
23:57<dendrite>So, anyone want to talk about... Debian?
23:57<black_13>dendrite, i do
23:58<dendrite>black_13: Cool. I was just thinking I was going to change my reading over to do a bit more Sci-Fi.
23:58<zweetaar>sidux users are gud at seducing people to use sidux
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23:59<zweetaar>ok offtopic again
23:59<dendrite>zweetaar: Generally, Debian types don't care what you use.
23:59<black_13>dendrite, sorry i had leave that coffee shop there was an obnoxious patron and i was some food
23:59<dendrite>black_13: Yeah, that coffee shop sounded like a nightmare.
23:59<black_13>and im home with the big iron
23:59<dendrite>"Big iron."
23:59<dendrite>Running TOPS-20?
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