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---Logopened Sun May 11 00:00:06 2008
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00:00<black_13>whats tops-20?
00:00<dendrite>I think I just dated myself.
00:00<black_13>rs-6000 ?
00:00<black_13>i saw one for sale (junk sale) i almost bought it
00:01<cwood>You could only have better dated yourself through radiocarbon dating.
00:01<dendrite>Probably make some interesting furniture with it...
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00:01<dendrite>cwood: :P
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00:02<chealer>black_13: please stick to topic
00:02<dendrite>That's l33t.
00:02<black_13>dendrite you had mentioned playing games with the rc scripts?
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00:03<dendrite>black_13: Yeah. How did that go?
00:03<black_13>i just got home
00:03<black_13>so it didnt
00:03<dendrite>black_13: Probably pretty low risk, if you can mount the fs outside of the vm to fix it...
00:03<dendrite>Which I have no idea if one can mount a vmware container other than via booding in vmware.
00:04<dendrite>That's one nice thing about Xen.
00:04<black_13>ok i think i understand what you mean
00:04<dendrite>down the DomU, mount the fs...
00:04<dendrite>black_13: What? Re &> /some/file ?
00:04<black_13>you can touch the guest fs and modify it
00:05<black_13>but i have no experience with xen
00:05<dendrite>black_13: Maybe > (no &) is better -- that *might* silence things while still allowing errors to show.
00:05<dendrite>black_13: with vmware containers? cool.
00:05<dendrite>black_13: Well, I have almost no experience w/ vmware, so we're even.
00:06<black_13>and i have no end of pain with getting vmware to work on debian
00:06<dendrite>black_13: container -- the object that the vm engine uses to contain the file systems, and/or other vm metadata.
00:06<dendrite>black_13: For instance, qemu can use qcow files -- containers that hold a file system delta.
00:07<black_13>dendrite, ok
00:07<dendrite>From what I saw of vmware, it raised hell with networking.
00:07<dendrite>black_13: With Xen, I use LVM partitions.
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00:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, flac is the Free Lossless Audio Codec, gives 30-50% compression on PCM audio. See for details on the format, or apt-get install flac xmms-flac to try it out (if you have xmms, of course).
00:07<black_13>it works right out of the box with fedora
00:07<dendrite>And those are bog-standard file systems, so it works easily.
00:08<dendrite>black_13: "It" being ... vmware?
00:08<dendrite>(Not that I care a whit for Fedora)
00:08<black_13>nor should you
00:08<dendrite>Heh I used to be a DeadRat guy, until they went all weird with their support.
00:09<dendrite>Then I went to Debian, and was like... Why did I wait so long?
00:09<black_13>but i will find a premade vm
00:09<black_13>ded rat?
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00:12<zweetaar>man i swear i read ded rat as red hat before
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00:13<dendrite>Looks like "exec foo &> bar" does properly redirect the exec'd process's output.
00:13<black_13>dendrite funny
00:13<zweetaar>nerdy joke ;P
00:14<dendrite>Eh, Ya think?
00:14<zweetaar>yah i couldn't get it
00:15<zweetaar>dont kill me with the silence pls
00:16<dendrite>Heh. Actually, I think I'd better wander off.
00:16<dendrite>black_13: Good luck with hiding the boot messages.
00:16<dendrite>zweetaar: Good luck getting sorted out re picking a distro.
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00:17<zweetaar>im all set thanx to u
00:21<black_13>well he left
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00:47<spirosl>hi all
00:48<spirosl>im having an issue playing video content from youtube on Firefox v2.0.0.14 running on KDE/Slackware v12
00:48<spirosl>have any of you seen an issue like this on your systems.
00:48<spirosl>I've already installed Flash Player through Firefox
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00:49<cwood>I've only started having Firefox/Youtube problems when I upgraded to a beta and then a nightly build.
00:50<spirosl>am i able to use any other browser ?
00:50<cwood>Also flashblock... and when I click on the window to start the flash applet, sometimes in Youtube the flash doesn't load.
00:50<cwood>Try Konqueror, perhaps?
00:50<spirosl>i tried
00:50<spirosl>but it doesnt load any video content at all
00:51<Nemoder>are you sure the right version installed? check about:plugins
00:51<spirosl>i might try and download flash from adobe and compile it
00:51<Nemoder>you can't compile it, there is no source
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00:52<olanz>does anyone know where one should install client certificates, private keys and CA root certs for the purpose of apt-transport-hhtps ?
00:52<Nemoder>spirosl: but I can recommend trying debian instead of slackware :)
00:54<spirosl>can anyone recommend anything that i can try to figure out why firefox is crashing?
00:54<cwood>If your problem is Youtube-only, I personally suggest asking Youtube support.
00:54<spirosl>i have adobe flash version 9,0,124,0 installed as informed through the adobe websie
00:54<spirosl>its all video content
00:54<spirosl>from any site
00:55<cwood>If it's a Flash problem then, ask the developers, who are Adobe.
00:55<spirosl>so do most sites use something else to display content? what else does youtube require?
00:56<cwood>These sound like questions more suited to Flash, Youtube, and Slackware forums.
00:56<Nemoder>adobe's flash is working fine for me on debian-testing
00:57<spirosl>ill ask in the other channel if they have discovered similar issues
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01:05<Akatemik>Hm, shouldn't reconfiguring xserver-xorg ask about display stuff?
01:05<Akatemik>It only wants to reconfigure my keyboard, it seems. Even with -plow
01:05<vook>hmm, xorg installs never ask me about display info - I always just do an 'X -configure', then tweak that file.
01:06<Akatemik>It did before, I'm pretty sure of that
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01:06<Akatemik>Asking what driver should be used and so on
01:07<vook>sounds like Xconfigurator ;) I dunno, I am never asked.
01:08<vook>anyone know of there is a 'debian preferred' tftp server / which should I choose? atftpd, tftpd, or tftpd-hpa ?
01:08<dpkg>from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
01:09<vook>cwood: well, some servers have a better security history than others. The question is, if exim is to debian smtp, X is to debian tftpd. What is X?
01:10<dpkg>i heard tftp is the Trivial File Transer Protocol, an insecure file transfer protocol without authentication designed to transfer trivial files to diskless clients. To establish a TFTP server on Etch, "aptitude install tftpd-hpa && invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart", place content to be served in /var/lib/tftpboot
01:10<cwood>(I don't talk anymore, I just invoke the bot.)
01:10<vook>personal taste didn't decide upon exim :)
01:11<Akatemik>I've never used these irc bots, I just see others use it. Wonder what it could do...
01:11<cwood>Don't thank me. The bot isn't authoritative.
01:11<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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01:11<vook>the bot knows more than I.
01:12<vook>thanks dpkg!
01:12<vook>oh well
01:12<vook>dpkg: thanks
01:12<dpkg>vook: my pleasure
01:15<Akatemik>cwood: That page misses all the fun stuff :)
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01:29<znalo>does anyone know where one should install client certificates, private keys and CA root certs for the purpose of apt-transport-https ?
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01:47<black_13>how do i manually setup my network device?
01:48<black_13>lsmod shows the device driver loaded correctly
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01:54<p_quarles>black_13, what kind of network device? what kind of network?
01:55<black_13>device pcnet32 eth0
01:55<p_quarles>so it's an ethernet card?
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02:03<p_quarles>black_13, ifconfig eth0 up
02:03<p_quarles>now, what kind of network? dhcp?
02:03<black_13>i fixed it
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02:04<black_13>thanks for your help
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02:21<leif>good morning
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02:31<leif>hmm very quite to day in here
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02:45<leif>is there a grafical file browser in debian
02:46<rrm>from what u wan to use it?
02:46<rrm>command line?
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02:47<leif>either that or from gnome
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02:51<rrm>in gnome you got nautilus
02:51<leif>ahh ok thanx alot is total new to linux so
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02:53<rrm>that one is part of gnome
02:53<leif>nice thanx for the advice
02:54<rrm>no problem... i am new to it too
02:54<leif>got linux noon last day
02:55<leif>nice it works
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02:57<leif>hmm no sound atm on my alsa driver
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03:04<rrm>what linux u got?
03:04<rrm>i mean distro
03:04<jaakko>rrm: debian
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03:06<leif>debian the stable version
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03:08<rrm>silly question
03:08<leif>got a advice last nigth of a change a file that would let me use the unstable version
03:08<bcochofel>Can anyone tell me the diff between ices and mpd?
03:12<bcroubcose>hmmmm.... my CPU way upto 100%; my laptop is hot and the fan has been on for at least over an hour, when I cheked the processes It looks like im only using about 8%-18%. Does any one know why this could be???
03:14<jaakko>bcroubcose: where did you get that "100 %"?
03:15<bcroubcose>system monitor
03:15<jaakko>bcroubcose: and where.. "8-18"?
03:15<bcroubcose>under prosseces
03:16<jaakko>bcroubcose: try log in as root and run "top"
03:16<jaakko>bcroubcose: it show processes and their cpu time
03:17<bcroubcose>how do i do that?
03:17<Gathond>what user you run top as should not matter
03:17<jaakko>bcroubcose: I think you can run it as user too.. just open some terminal, and type "top"
03:18<Gathond>unless you are using grsecurity or selinux or something else which restricts what processes a user can see
03:19<bcroubcose>does anyone know what whiptail us?
03:20<Gathond>a system to display popups in a shell script as far as I can see
03:20<bcroubcose>its using up 87%
03:20<Gathond>some shell script must have run amok then
03:20<leif>well now i am gona use lenny
03:21<jaakko>leif: why?
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03:22<leif>well to get newer software but yeah is it very unstable
03:22<Gathond>I would not define lenny as very unstable, that would be sid
03:22<Gathond>that said you should not use it for anything really important
03:23<leif>welll echt is ok whit software and maybe we get a new version of debian this year
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03:24<jaakko>leif: you can have newer software on stable too:
03:24<leif>ahh ok cool i am very new in linux
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03:26<Gathond>jaakko: but that also reduces some of the stability, which might make lenny as good a bet
03:26<leif>yeah it is 2-3 progs i want a newer version of
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03:30<pvdvyve>#debian-edu op
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03:33<leif>hmm the backports is kind of slow to
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04:17<bro>your head here
04:18<DijitalWench>that bored eh?
04:18<bro>die another mother fucker die
04:18<bro>your head in the hell
04:19<bro>go to hell now
04:19<fxiny>!ops bro can't find the exit door
04:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: fxiny complains about: bro can't find the exit door
04:20<bro>you're bastard
04:20<bro>of course
04:20<elky>you're the one who has to swear on IRC to get thrills in life...
04:20<bro>who are u
04:21<elky>someone who gets thrills away from a computer
04:21<bro>that is a junk name
04:21<DijitalWench>anyone know how to install a non-debian-packaged 32-bit jre web plugin on 64 bit arch lenny?
04:21<bro>your mother
04:22<bro>i don't know bastard
04:23<bro>anybody hear me
04:24<DijitalWench>bro: i think i hear your mother calling you to get off her computer before she brains you
04:24<bro>what your mother does it
04:24<elky>he's not worth talking to, DijitalWench
04:24<bro>poor you
04:25<bro>bye hehehehe
04:25<bro>elky whats your moher name
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04:25<DijitalWench>and teh crowd cheers
04:26<fxiny>hmmm : 80 open , 53 open ... :)
04:26<DijitalWench>okay, maybe if i rephrase teh question ...
04:27<DijitalWench>on amd64 arch lenny, where is the virtual link for jre placed (seems to effect all browsers from one location?) so that i can change it?
04:27<fxiny>man update-alternatives
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04:28<DijitalWench>fxiny: tried that, the jre i am trying to change to doesn't appear in the liosting
04:29<fxiny>DijitalWench: --install --config ?
04:29<DijitalWench>fxiny: i am trying to change the default to a 32-bit jre which does not come in a debian pkg.
04:30<fxiny>DijitalWench: no idea about 64/jre but update-alternatives manage all those symlinks , you can create/install 'em and config
04:30<fxiny>DijitalWench: i run sun java 6 this way on etch
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04:31<fxiny>of course i can install bpo jre6 if i want
04:31<DijitalWench>fxiny: how do i add a symbolic link to the "update-alternatives --config java" listing, then. perhaps that is all i am lacking?
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04:32<fxiny>DijitalWench: like this : update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/local/jre1.6.0_03/bin/java 60
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04:33<woden>I just installed Lenny, and my xorg.conf looks wrong. I pasted it at can anyone take a look please?
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04:35<DijitalWench>fxiny: in the example given, i take it that the jre to be used is installed in /usr/local directory?
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04:35<fxiny>DijitalWench: when will be up again , check for "Running 32-bit Applications on 64-bit Debian GNU/Linux"
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04:36<Nemoder>woden: that does indeed look very wrong, i would run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
04:36<fxiny>DijitalWench: yes that is the path for a /usr/local/ install
04:36<DijitalWench>fxiny: thanks, i'll try that out
04:37<fxiny>DijitalWench: np
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04:39<woden>Nemoder: I tried running that, but the xorg.conf looks the same
04:41<Nemoder>it should at least have a serverlayout and some modules listed
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04:42<woden>Yea, I compared it to the xorg.conf on my desktop system.
04:43<woden>It's a Gateway 6831 laptop, with an Nvidia 8800M GTS video card.
04:43<Nemoder>what happened when you ran the reconfigure script? did it prompt you for device selection?
04:43<woden>No it stopped before it got to that part
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04:44<Nemoder>was there an error?
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04:44<woden>No it just quit
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04:44<woden>Use kernel framebuffer device interface. No.
04:45<woden>Autodetect keyboard layout? No.
04:45<woden>Keyboard layout: us
04:45<woden>XKB rule set to use: xorg
04:45<woden>Keyboard model: pc104
04:46<woden>Keyboard variant:
04:46<woden>Keyboard options:
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04:46<Nemoder>well what's the last one it gets to?
04:46<woden>And then it just quits back to the terminal
04:46<Nemoder>it's supposed to configure mouse next
04:46<woden>I don't have a mouse attached. I'm just using the laptop trackpad.
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04:47<woden>But that's still considered a "mouse" isn't it?
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04:50<DijitalWench>fxiny: still not working. upate-alternatives --config java shows the following list:
04:50<woden>Nemoder: I plugged in my USB mouse and the same problem happens
04:51<DijitalWench> 1 /usr/bin/gij-4.3
04:51<Nemoder>woden: I'm not sure how the internals of the script work, it must be crashing trying to detect
04:51<DijitalWench> + 2 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
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04:51<DijitalWench>* 3 /usr/local/jre1.6.0_05/bin/java
04:52<woden>Nemoder: Well, it still crashes even with my USB mouse connected...
04:52<Nemoder>woden: you might run dmesg and see if there are any errors at the bottom
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04:53<fxiny>DijitalWench: i can see 3 alternatives including a /usr/local (?)
04:53<woden>Nemoder: No errors that I see.
04:53<DijitalWench>fxiny: yes, and i entered "3" to change default to jre1.6.0_05
04:54<DijitalWench>but when i load iceweasel, it still has the same java error (the site's java is not compatible with 64-bit jre
04:54<fxiny>DijitalWench: right , and what # java -version says now ?
04:55<fxiny>DijitalWench: type #java -version
04:55<Nemoder>woden: best I can suggest is to submit a bugreport. I also had a problem with my mouse in xorg with the latest update to lenny but I was able to work around it
04:55<DijitalWench>fxiny: java version "1.6.0_05"
04:56<DijitalWench>Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_05-b13)
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04:56<DijitalWench>Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 10.0-b19, mixed mode, sharing)
04:56<fxiny>Nemoder: good : now try : update-alternatives --install /path/where/is/ 60
04:57<DijitalWench>fxiny: i take it i gotta do that fro each broswer too
04:58<fxiny>DijitalWench: checking /etc/alternatives for broken links (if any) could help
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04:58<DijitalWench>fxiny: how do i check for broken links?
04:59<fxiny>DijitalWench: ls /etc/alternatives shows broken in red
04:59<SoftICE>anyone has experience with EncFS?
04:59<SoftICE>is it good?
05:00<DijitalWench>fxiny: quite a few of em red highlighted in black
05:00<fxiny>DijitalWench: java , java_vm , javaws plus *
05:00<fxiny>DijitalWench: so : file /path/highlighted/in/black will tell you
05:01<znalo>does anyone know where one should install client certificates, private keys and CA root certs for the purpose of apt-transport-https ?
05:01<DijitalWench>this gonna be a long morning lol
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05:02<russians>hi all
05:02<fxiny>DijitalWench: again : i've never done this on a 64
05:02<zweetaar>hey i have this nautikus problem now
05:02<zweetaar>what to do
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05:02<dpkg>nautilus is probably a file manager for GNOME, if you get 'paper' icons for everything, install gnome-icon-theme
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05:05<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts.
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05:05<leif>hey again
05:06<zweetaar>how do i fix this nautilus problem?
05:07<leif>any one can explain me how to get my creavtive card to work i know whic modul i need
05:07<zweetaar>nemoder please help :(
05:08<SoftICE>zweataar you may provide moere information?
05:08<zweetaar>i installed debian 4
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05:08<zweetaar>and started gnome
05:09<zweetaar>but now it says nautilus has stopped working
05:09<zweetaar>and the moment i access my usb drive or open my computer
05:09<zweetaar>it freezes
05:09<zweetaar>why is it
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05:10<fxiny>SoftICE: i am quite happy with LUKS encryption layer
05:11<fxiny>SoftICE: home swap and / partitions encrypted . boot inits own plain ext2 partition , works pretty well
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05:12<woden>is there a way to run dpkg-reconfigure in debug mode?
05:13<woden>zweetaar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg quits after "Keyboard options:"
05:14<zweetaar>is that a question for me
05:14<zweetaar>i dont know
05:14<DijitalWench>fxiny: okay, the update-alternatives helpfile tells me i need the symlink pointing to /etc/alternatives grouping and so on (apparantly "" isn't correct here) ...
05:15<zweetaar>i m having problems myself
05:15<SoftICE>fxiny: using LUKS means i have to reinstall my System?
05:15<DijitalWench>fxiny: so the question i have is, what am i looking for? in example, let's use epiphany-browser.1.gz (one of the broken links)
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05:16<fxiny>SoftICE: nope : i have cloned one of my etch
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05:18<fxiny>DijitalWench: you can delete broken liks and ln -s again , but is not a debian way . i have installed sun java just because i wanted to do it debian way with update-alternatives .
05:18<DijitalWench>fxiny: i think i'll just get a sledgehammer
05:19<SoftICE>fxiny: you mean i can encrypt my existing partions?
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05:20<zweetaar>can u tell me a solution for this nautilus
05:20<SoftICE>not really
05:21<fxiny>SoftICE: no : uou can set all partitons up first , make the initrd in your runnig system and clone everything , two systems one full encrypted
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05:21<qqsea>zweetaar: dpkg-reconfigure nautilus ?
05:22<zweetaar>qqsea: what is that again :(
05:22<fxiny>SoftICE: i started with a three partititions system scheme : / swap and home . the resultimg encrypted is on 4 : / home swap and boot
05:22<Nemoder>woden: DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
05:23<fxiny>SoftICE: one pass only at boot time
05:24<fxiny>obviously boot doesn't need ext3
05:25<fxiny>SoftICE: i can mount the encrypted partitions from the unencrypted system
05:26<woden>Nemoder: Okay here it is
05:26<mik>but in this world we dont have cure for this
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05:28<Nemoder>woden: it looks a bit like part of the config script is missing.. maybe try apt-get install xserver-xorg --reinstall
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05:29<SoftICE>fxiny: so i hava to copy all my data to another hardrive . after this create a new partion schame enxrypted . and after copy all my data back?
05:29<SoftICE>sry i dont get the point :\
05:30<zweetaar>what do i do
05:30<woden>Nemoder: Did the reinstall, still getting the same error.
05:30<qqsea>zweetaar: dpkg-reconfigure nautilus
05:30<zweetaar>where can i write that please?
05:31<qqsea>in a terminat
05:31<qqsea>as root
05:32<leif>stupid sound card
05:33<woden>Nemoder: I'm reading that but I don't quite get what it means.
05:34<zweetaar>qqsea: nothing happened
05:34<SoftICE>fxiny: you got any papers for this topic?
05:34<zweetaar>used tyhe root terminal
05:34<fxiny>SoftICE: i wanted to see how it performs , io and so on , without reinstalling , so i used my last partition for this , creating 4 new : 3 encrypted and one ext2 , i lost no data in the process and i restore my hd to the previous state in a minute
05:34<qqsea>zweetaar: what happened ?
05:34<Nemoder>woden: it means somebody had a similar problem, I'm not sure of the solution
05:35<zweetaar>ok "jabbal:/home/angad# dpkg-rec....
05:35<zweetaar>came back to #
05:35<Nemoder>woden: you might also try reinstalling xserver-xorg-core
05:35<qqsea>zweetaar: hehe
05:35<qqsea>as root
05:35<zweetaar>do i have reboot as root
05:36<SoftICE>fxiny: ah now i understand
05:36<zweetaar>i used "root terminal from within the account
05:36<qqsea>means first do "su"
05:36<qqsea>and enter root of root
05:36<fxiny>SoftICE: is a nice game , worth trying it
05:36<qqsea>and enter password of root
05:37<SoftICE>fxiny: problem is i have no free partion
05:38<qqsea>zweetaar: than " dpkg-reconfigure nautilus "
05:38<zweetaar>now window opened with desktop folder
05:38<fxiny>SoftICE: how big is your hd ?
05:38<zweetaar>froze again when i clicked
05:38<SoftICE>fxiny: 80GB
05:38<fxiny>like mine
05:39<fxiny>shrink your last partition
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05:39<qqsea>zweetaar: what you have clicked ?
05:40<zweetaar>and back to to the same irritating pop up "nautilus has quit
05:40<qqsea>zweetaar: what on desktop you have clicked ?
05:40<zweetaar>when i did dpkg
05:41<zweetaar>a window open with a folder called dektop
05:41<zweetaar>i clicked it and with single click it freezes for sometime
05:41<woden>Nemoder: reinstalled xserver-xorg-core and still same issue.
05:41<zweetaar>till a pop up comes
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05:42<qqsea>zweetaar: ok
05:42<woden>Nemoder: Maybe it's a bug in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics?
05:42<Nemoder>woden: I don't know where the problem is, i'd say submit a bugreport on it. you might be able to construct an xorg.conf manually if you know enough about your hardware
05:42<qqsea>zweetaar: than as root " dpkg-reconfigure -a "
05:42<zweetaar>even when i open the usb drive it displays everything till i click or right click
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05:43<qqsea>for ?
05:43<qqsea>use "users" to see
05:43<zweetaar>it says adduser with that blue screen in the terminal
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05:44<zweetaar>"Do u want system wide readable home dir"
05:44<qqsea>zweetaar: you have finised the install ?
05:44<zweetaar>ya man
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05:44<zweetaar>i m in gnome
05:45<zweetaar>i just didn't allow it to use some updates coz i dont have net on the laptop
05:45<zweetaar>during the installation
05:46<qqsea>ok say Y
05:46<qqsea>to "Do u want system... "
05:46<qqsea>why ?
05:47<zweetaar>its starting advanced conf
05:47<zweetaar>now in another blue screen
05:47<zweetaar>"configuring data console"
05:47<zweetaar>console- data
05:47<zweetaar>i dont think this is the right direction
05:47<qqsea>it is
05:48<zweetaar>its about some keymap
05:48<woden>what is the name of the kernel source package?
05:48<woden>(for installing driver)
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05:48<Nemoder>good night
05:48<zweetaar>debian 4 i386
05:49<tom_ppc>how do you add a userid to a group in linux
05:49<qqsea>zweetaar: go on
05:49<leif>how do i set in a module for a sound device need emu10k2 module
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05:49<zweetaar>go on? its about setting up my keyboard
05:50<qqsea>zweetaar: chose us (or what is your language)
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05:51<zweetaar>now cupsys
05:51<qqsea>go on . have to leave , sorry
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05:52<zweetaar>i hate this shit man
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05:53<qqsea>zweetaar: thx
05:53<woden>I installed linux-source-2.6.24 but the driver complains that kernel source is not available
05:54<zweetaar>for what
05:54<qqsea><zweetaar> i hate this shit man
05:55<zweetaar>i hate linux for that
05:55<shevek>Since the last update of my sid system, udev randomly does or doesn't start at boot. I don't see any messages about udev starting in the log (not even in old logs), and thus also not why it would be failing. /etc/init.d/udev is executable (and should log things, AFAICS), and there is a link to it from /etc/rcS.d/S03udev. How can I find the problem?
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05:56<zweetaar>its been yrs i m trying to shift to linux.. sometimes my rom stops working sometimes my hard disk goes bad... fucked up shit
05:59<woden>Do I have to untar the kernel source in /usr/src ?
06:00<woden>I uncompressed it, but I still get the error "Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel".
06:01<shevek>woden: Yes, it needs to be untarred.
06:01<woden>shevek: I did that with tar -xjvf.
06:01<woden>shevek: but the driver install still complains
06:02<leif>any one can help a stupid danish linux user whit my sound card
06:02<shevek>woden: I don't really know anything about that driver; maybe you need to tell it the directory where the source is
06:02<valdyn>!nvidia drivers
06:02<dpkg>See for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards
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06:05<woden>I needed the kernel-headers
06:05<woden>valdyn: that wiki doesn't work I tried it yesterday
06:05<woden>I'm on Lenny
06:06<valdyn>woden: your reading skills dont work
06:06<woden>valdyn: yea they do. if you try the sid/testing mix, it tries to pull in all of sid.
06:06<woden>the only other option is to do a simple backport, but that isn't mentioned in that wiki article.
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06:09<woden>So I chose to do the driver instead of sid/testing mix or simple backport.
06:10<woden>there's actually another option:
06:10<woden>But I haven't tried that.
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06:11<valdyn>woden: it should work
06:11<valdyn>woden: one point is that no where in these docs is a mention if installing any linux-source-foo package
06:11<valdyn>woden: just use "m-a prepare" instead
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06:12<valdyn>woden: or directly "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
06:13<woden>valdyn: yea the linux-source-foo is for installing the driver that you download from
06:13<valdyn>woden: no it is not.
06:14<woden>the driver installer was asking for the linux kernel source.
06:14<valdyn>woden: thats irrelevant what it asks for, it only needs the headers, those are gotten as i told you
06:14<woden>got it
06:15<valdyn>woden: the source works too, but only after its configured and grabbing the readily configured headers is easier
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06:15<woden>After I installed the driver, my xorg.conf looks normal.
06:16<woden>This is what it looked like on a fresh install of Lenny
06:17<valdyn>woden: if anything you need to add ' Driver "nvidia" ' into the Device section
06:17<valdyn>woden: or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:19<woden>valdyn: On a default install of Lenny, that's what my xorg.conf looked like. Notice how it's missing a lot of stuff. When I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it stops after the "Keyboard options:" section. It just simply quits back to the terminal.
06:19<valdyn>woden: just edit it manually as i told you..
06:20<valdyn>woden: it doesnt need to contain alot of stuff, its all runtime automagic either way
06:20<Zathraz>Hi. When upgrading on debian Etch to kernel 2.6.18 (I was running a heavily patches Sarge 2.6.8 kernel) and chaning a dvd drive (used to be /dev/hdb is now /dev/hda) I recently found out that "eject" is no longer working
06:20<Zathraz>dmesg shows up the drive as /dev/hda
06:21<Zathraz>but no devices in /dev/ exists called /dev/hda or /devb/hdb
06:21<[machine]>woden: that looks fine to me, i installed a new box yesterday with nvidia and i have the same xorg.conf
06:21<Zathraz>I use udev
06:21<Zathraz>any hint much appreciated
06:21<woden>[machine]: Like this ? Are you sure?
06:22<woden>[machine]: Then why does dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg quit after "Keyboard options:"? It's supposed to configure mouse next.
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06:23<woden>I did a " DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", and this is the result:
06:23<[machine]>doesn't need to... it's a lot better at auto detecting these days
06:24<woden>[machine]: So why does the xorg.conf on my desktop system look so much different?
06:24<woden>I'm running Lenny on both systems.
06:24<[machine]>woden: is the desktop a result of an upgrade?
06:25<[machine]>i.e. are they both fresh installs?
06:25<woden>[machine]: No. It's a straight Lenny install from the beta1 net-install ISO
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06:25<woden>Yes, both fresh installs from the same Beta1 Lenny netinstall ISO
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06:27*[machine] shrugs... maybe it can't detect something on the desktop
06:27<woden>[machine]: For example, here is the xorg.conf on my desktop system:
06:27<woden>It looks normal on my desktop, right?
06:28<woden>On the laptop, it looks like See how empty it is? The InputDevice, Device, Monitor, and Screen sections are basically empty.
06:28<[machine]>woden: same on my laptop that i installed yesterday, and i can assure you it works.. i'm typing from it now
06:29<woden>[machine]: So why don't I have any resolutions in my Screen section?
06:29<[machine]>it detcts them by querying the hardware
06:30<[machine]>woden: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:31<woden>[machine]: I will after I'm done re-installing a fresh copy of Lenny on the laptop.
06:31<woden>I want to start again from square 1
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06:32<[machine]>woden: i guess it won't cost anything, if your time is worth nothing
06:33<woden>I don't evaluate it that way
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06:42<Zathraz>any thoughts on my /dev/hda dvd-drive issue please? Can't find anything through Google which matches this issue
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07:02<mysupper>hmm..this is quite weired...
07:03<Zathraz>what is?
07:03<mysupper>I compiled connlimit using patch-o-matic and there exists /lib/iptables/ but..
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07:03<mysupper>sudo /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 --syn -m -connlimit --connlimit-above 10 -j DROP ...shows iptables v1.3.6: Couldn't load match `-connlimit':/lib/iptables/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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07:04<mysupper>I guess this iptables module can work but some arguments should be wrong..I didn't do anything wrong..but..this results harassess me.
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07:09<mysupper>Zathraz , any ideas?
07:11<sarkazm>Couldn't load match `-connlimit':/lib/iptables/
07:11<sarkazm>maybe you shoud youse "-m connlimit"
07:12<mysupper>sarkazm , not that way, I tried that already. :)
07:12<mysupper>sarkazm, I guess I should recompile iptables package from debian source, and do these thing again.
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07:33<justAsset>the GRUB returns Cannot determine root device....
07:33<justAsset>any ideas?
07:34<justAsset>i'm just trying to configure bootloader
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07:34<justAsset>pardon.... update-grub (not GRUB)
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07:38<valdyn>mysupper: or maybe you should write "connlimit", not "-connlimit"
07:39<mysupper>valdyn , I tried connlimit and -connlimit and --connlimit all , but in vain. :)
07:39<valdyn>mysupper: whats the error for "-m connlimit" ?
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07:40<mysupper>iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
07:42<valdyn>mysupper: so it kind of works
07:43<mysupper>valdyn, yea? iptables itself is working well. I just want to add connlimit module.
07:43<valdyn>mysupper: iptables -m connlimit -h
07:44<valdyn>mysupper: "modprobe ipt_connlimit"
07:45<mysupper>sudo modprobe ipt_connlimit
07:45<mysupper>FATAL: Module ipt_connlimit not found.
07:45<valdyn>mysupper: thats your issue, you need the iptables module, which you have, and the kernel module, which you do not have
07:47<justAsset>FakeRaid vs Hardware Raid.... help needed
07:47<mysupper>valdyn , ok. I will try kernel compile again.
07:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
07:48<justAsset>what to choose?
07:49<valdyn>justAsset: you can afford a proper hardware raid controlleR?
07:49<justAsset>valdyn: yes
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07:50<justAsset>i'll just ask my boss to buy that stuff
07:50<justAsset>you mean hardware is better&
07:50<valdyn>justAsset: what kind of raid do you need?
07:51<valdyn>justAsset: its not that simple
07:51<justAsset>two HDDs 250 GB each
07:51<valdyn>justAsset: do software raid
07:51<valdyn>justAsset: theres no point in hardware raid for that simple setup
07:51<justAsset>is that the best solution for my case?
07:52<valdyn>justAsset: what IS best?
07:52<justAsset>software RAID
07:52<valdyn>justAsset: its a silly question
07:52<valdyn>justAsset: best is unlimited redudancy at unlimited speed
07:52<justAsset>i'm already tried to deal with fakeraid
07:53<valdyn>justAsset: linux does not support fake hardware raid
07:53<valdyn>justAsset: its either software raid or hardware raid
07:53<justAsset>even ubuntu?
07:53<valdyn>justAsset: ubuntu is not special
07:53<valdyn>justAsset: ubuntu is also not supported here
07:54<justAsset>but there are several examples of installing ubuntu on fakeraid
07:54<valdyn>justAsset: youre confused
07:54<valdyn>justAsset: you probably dont understand what you are talking about
07:55<justAsset>what am trying to do is to install linux on my server
07:55<valdyn>justAsset: fakeraid is defined as a software raid where the WINDOWS driver can utilise a small processor on the controller to assist in doing the software raid stuff
07:55<justAsset>my boss told me to create RAID1
07:55<valdyn>justAsset: those small processors are not supported in linux
07:55<valdyn>justAsset: and they are generally inferior to linux pure software raid anyway
07:56<justAsset>i've configured raid1 from bios raid utility
07:56<valdyn>!software raid
07:56<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller., also see, or see section of the <ig>
07:56<justAsset>doea i mean that i'm using software raid?
07:57<valdyn>justAsset: raid the docs.
07:57<valdyn>justAsset: read the docs.
07:57<justAsset>anyway thanks a lot
07:57<valdyn>justAsset: your bios should not be set to raid but to "normal" or "ahci" or whatever your bios shows
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07:58<justAsset>no, i mean... the raid utility that is loaded before the OS load
07:58<valdyn>justAsset: thats what im talking about
07:59<valdyn>justAsset: bios raid is an idiotic idea which has only 1 reason for existance: stupid customers
07:59<valdyn>justAsset: and since linux generally does not support it, you cant use it
08:00<justAsset>ok... i understood... but can you explain if it's a software raid or something else
08:00<valdyn>justAsset: the bios raid does nothing but set a few flags for the windows driver and probably write a few bits to disk, also for the windows driver
08:00<valdyn>justAsset: the windows driver uses that information to drive a software raid
08:01<justAsset>got it
08:01<valdyn>justAsset: where the raid calculations get partially offloaded to a small processor
08:01<justAsset>this is what i had to hear one week before
08:02<valdyn>justAsset: but "raid calculations" are damn cheap, and those small added processors are too damn cheap
08:02<valdyn>justAsset: you dont loose anything by using pure linux software raid
08:02<valdyn>justAsset: but you gain speed and portability
08:03<justAsset>then i should not buy hardware raid, right?
08:03<justAsset>software raid is enough for me
08:03<valdyn>justAsset: hardware raid is something entirely different
08:03<valdyn>justAsset: and its good and useful, but hardly for a single simple raid1
08:04<justAsset>i thought that it's more quicker than software raid
08:05<valdyn>justAsset: no
08:05<justAsset>then, it's more cleverer...
08:05<valdyn>justAsset: software raid has to do calculations on your main cpu, that will primarily put a little load on the cpu , but not slow down the raid
08:05<justAsset>isn't it?
08:06<valdyn>justAsset: that load is small enough to be negligible on a simple single raid1
08:06<justAsset>and if one of the HDDs crashes, which one is more efficient
08:06<justAsset>software or hardware
08:07<valdyn>justAsset: hotplugging should be easier on hardware raid, but its possible on both, provided you have a supported disk controller, like ahci
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08:08<valdyn>justAsset: you might want a hotspare always
08:08<justAsset>you mean that i have to have an additional software to plug the new HDD instead of broken?
08:08<valdyn>justAsset: no
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08:09<valdyn>justAsset: you need a disk controller with drivers that both support hotplug
08:09<valdyn>!libata faq
08:09<valdyn>!sata faq
08:09<dpkg> or
08:09<justAsset>what about intel raid controller?
08:09<mysupper>valdyn, can you check , I did this way and doing this thing again , Can I get the module ? right?
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08:10<valdyn>mysupper: what are you doing with a 2.6.17 kernel?
08:11<mysupper>ah..that was mistyping.
08:11<mysupper>2.6.18 was right.
08:11<justAsset>valdyn: it's so great that you gave me a lot of information concerning RAID
08:11<justAsset>valdyn: thank you very much
08:12<valdyn>mysupper: as far as i can see you should make-kpkg kernel_image *modules_image*
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08:12<valdyn>mysupper: both
08:13<mysupper>valdyn, ah is that so?
08:13<valdyn>mysupper: i dont know patch-o-matic, but try what you get
08:14<valdyn>mysupper: oh nm
08:14<valdyn>mysupper: patch-o-omatic just adds stuff to your main kernel source tree?
08:14<valdyn>mysupper: you should be able to "modprobe ipt_connlimit"
08:15<mysupper>valdyn, this way - ""
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08:55<mysupper>now! I got "DROP tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:www flags:FIN,SYN,RST,ACK/SYN #conn/32 > 10".
08:58<mysupper>the reason was simple. the iptables package should be replaced by iptables source which is accomondated by patch-o-omatic .
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08:58<mysupper>those took me about a 3 days. :(
08:59<mysupper>total almost 10 times of kernel compile..hyu..
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09:19<Naruto_User>CiAoOoO a t
09:20<dpkg>one warez list being sent to naruto_user
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09:31<Laeborg>i have problems with my ethernet. If my BitTorrent Client i open, then sometimes my computer lost all connections, and i need to reboot. In windows, I had no problems with it.
09:33<Zathraz>Laeborg, this is Linux, Reboots are rare
09:33<Zathraz>check logs for problems
09:33<Zathraz>and ifdown ifup an ethernet interface instead of reboot
09:34<Laeborg>where can I find the log?
09:34<Zathraz>or when a problem persists use mii-tool to reset the interface
09:34<Zathraz>see: /var/log
09:34<Zathraz>check especially: messages and syslog
09:34<Laeborg>the log is blank
09:34<Zathraz>it is after a reboor
09:35<Zathraz>so check the previous log: for instance: /var/log/syslog.0
09:35<Zathraz>*.gz logs can be viewed with zless
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09:38<Zathraz>anyone any thoughts on my dvd / udev issue please?
09:38<ali3n0>hi guys. Not sure this is the place, but I don't know if report a bug for this issue is a good idea. I'm trying to install amavisd-new on a fresh new install of Etch, but the installer script fails with this: Setting up amavisd-new (2.4.2-6.1) ...
09:38<ali3n0>Creating/updating amavis user account...
09:38<ali3n0>addgroup: Starting amavisd: hostname: Unknown host
09:38<ali3n0> The value of variable $myhostname is "", but should have been
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09:50<ali3n0> /msg dpkg paster hi guys. Not sure this is the place, but I don't know if report a bug for this issue is a good idea. I'm trying to install amavisd-new on a fresh new install of Etch, but the installer script fails with this: Setting up amavisd-new (2.4.2-6.1) ...
09:50<ali3n0> Creating/updating amavis user account...
09:50<ali3n0> addgroup: Starting amavisd: hostname: Unknown host
09:50<ali3n0> The value of variable $myhostname is "", but should have been
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09:50<ali3n0> Creating/updating amavis user account...
09:50<ali3n0> addgroup: Starting amavisd: hostname: Unknown host
09:50<ali3n0> The value of variable $myhostname is "", but should have been
09:50<ali3n0> a fully qualified domain name; perhaps uname(3) did not provide such.
09:50<ali3n0> You must explicitly assign a FQDN of this host to variable $myhostname
09:50<ali3n0> in amavisd.conf, or fix what uname(3) provides as a host's network name!
09:50<ali3n0> (failed)." But uname -n gives me my FQDN... I'm confused
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09:53<justAsset>valdyn, is it possible to add partition to an existing RAID1
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09:57<james01>are there any viewers out there
09:57<james01>just checking, trying to learn how to use chatzilla
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10:25<dpkg>i heard sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>"
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10:25<bcochofel>!sid backport
10:26<bcochofel>ok, how can I install a sid package on etch?
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10:39<noflash>bcochofel /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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10:39<bcochofel>noflash: thx
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10:47<erKURITA>backronymed <= totally lol'd
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11:01<znalo>does anyone know where one should install client certificates to, private keys to and CA root certs to for the purpose of apt-transport-https ?
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11:02<imperia>hello, after the latest update i am unable to start exim4. got this error: Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments. anybody can help me with this issue?
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11:08<erKURITA>imperia there's a bugzilla entry
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11:08<erKURITA>it was posted here yesterday
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11:10<adii>I remember there was that kinda useful command "disks-admin" or something, but I can't use it anymore. Anybody knows why ?
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11:10<znalo>erKURITA: thanks, but what i was wondering about was not how to create certs and such, but configuring APT for ssl
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11:12<erKURITA>znalo the link contains the locations of the certificates, that's why I posted it
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11:14<znalo>erKURITA: ah ok, thanks.
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11:16<adii>oh and i used to have that win32 disassembler, on windows, which was called w32dasm, is there somethign equivalent on debian ?
11:17<Zathraz>hi. I really really could use some help om the subject of my DVD drive (/dev/hda according to dmesg) care of by udev so there is no /dev/hda so a command like eject does not work
11:18<Zathraz>any help much appreciated
11:18<erKURITA>er, /dev/hda ?
11:19<erKURITA>how's your disk configuration
11:19<Zathraz>according to dmesg the DVD drive is /dev/hda
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11:19<erKURITA>as in, who's master and who's slave in the first IDE
11:19<Zathraz>my harddisk is /dev/hdc
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11:19<Zathraz>no other devices
11:20<erKURITA>what an odd disk configuration
11:21<Zathraz>yet no /dev/hda device node is created
11:22<erKURITA>put a disk in your drive
11:22<erKURITA>and do "mount /mnt/cdrom" or media instead of mnt
11:23<Zathraz>it is a htpc so no slot-in or eject buttons
11:23<Zathraz>only way is the eject command
11:23<dpkg>rumour has it, exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. It is available under the GPL and the current version in Debian is exim4. Ask me about <exim4> <exim boot stall> <exim flush queue> <exim4gmail> or see
11:23<Zathraz>eject /dev/hda or eject /dev/scd0 or just plain eject all not work as there are no device nodes
11:23<erKURITA>is that a macbook?
11:24<Zathraz>having said that: mounting will not work either then I presume
11:24<Zathraz>no, a home theather pc
11:24<Zathraz>based on an epia mobo
11:24<erKURITA>oh, snap
11:25<Zathraz>the feature is there since I upgraded a few packages and installed the stock 2.6.18 kernel
11:25<Zathraz>worked fine on an older udev and kernel
11:26<erKURITA>that's out of my reach, I'm sorry :X
11:26<Zathraz>pitty, thanks anyway
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11:27<Zathraz>asked this a few times earlier, you were the first to reply.
11:27<Zathraz>bad luck so far. Shit happens
11:27<Zathraz>cannot find anything usefull with google either
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11:29<woden>anyone good with c++?
11:30<abrotman>woden: there is a ##c++ on
11:30<libereco>Grady booch is very good with...
11:31<woden>How do I fix this?:
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11:34<erKURITA>woden you're missing a ; in the first line after the {
11:36<erKURITA>read your compile outputs
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12:07<sas67>how do i stop an applicationfrom running
12:07<tchaikov>hi all
12:07<sas67>and then how do i delete it
12:07<sas67>or uninstall
12:07<sas67>hi tchaikov
12:08<Zathraz>erKURITA, I have found the underlying issue of my DVD problem
12:08<tchaikov>sas67, you may pkill it
12:08<Zathraz>maybe someone can tell me about: Debian Etch, Stock kernel 2.6.8
12:08<Zathraz>module ide-cd does not load
12:08<Zathraz>reason: unknown parameter 'dev'
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12:09<Zathraz>running udev ofcourse. With udev not creating the corresponding node in /dev/
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12:10<sas67>is there way to kill multiple processes at once?
12:11<dendrite>sas67: Can you be a little more specific?
12:11<tchaikov>sas67, man pkill
12:11<sas67>all proceses to do with xserver and xvnc
12:11<dendrite>As in, zap your X session?
12:12<sas67>yes,stop it all
12:12<dendrite>... log out?
12:12<sas67>im not logged in
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12:12<dendrite>Ah, as in, the login manager stuff.
12:12<sas67>im on server thru ssh
12:13<dendrite>well, apt-get remove --purge will remove software...
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12:25<sas67>would i need to stop all processes relting to Xserver b4 running this commnd?
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12:26<dendrite>sas67: apt-get remove should stop the processes. If not, pkill will help you clean up.
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12:35<qwe>How to remove all packages which are not installable (from configured apt repositories)?
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12:41<fly>hello! anyone can help me with my DVD problem?
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12:43<fly>the drive just disappears after DVD burning and only restart helps...
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12:43<ali3n0>fly: what does "dmesg" tell you?
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12:44<fly>before of after burning/disappearing ?
12:45<fly>just a second - there's a lot of info to search...
12:45<fly>any 'grep' suggestions, alien0?
12:46<fly>hdd: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-760A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
12:46<fly> sda5<6>hdd: ATAPI 94X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache
12:46<fly>this is now - before burning
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12:55<fly>did anyone have such problem? DVD just disappears after burning with k3b...
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13:02<fly>need help with disappearing DVD drive
13:02<fly>anyone can help?
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13:04<Guest431>sorry, what's italian chan for debian???
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13:05<dendrite>Guest431: the bot knows some of those, e.g. 'es' and so on.
13:05<fly>maybe try
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13:06<Guest431>it's wrong
13:06<fly>maybe debian-it or it.debian or it-debian
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13:08<Guest431>i found it...thanks
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13:08<dendrite>Guest431: what was it?
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13:09<Guest431>i wrote it in a wrong way on xchat
13:09<dendrite>dpkg: it is #debian-it
13:09<dpkg>dendrite: I think you lost me on that one
13:10<dendrite>I guess dpkg screens out pronouns.
13:11<sas67>all xsession pids stopped
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13:12<sas67>but did apt-get remove --purge vncserver and it siad no file or dir
13:13<sas67>or would it be xvncserver?
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13:14<dendrite>sas67: dpkg -l | grep vnc
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13:22<Jmd>I just installed pyroom for Debian, and I'm pretty sure I have the correct python packages to run it, yet it doesn't work. It spits this out: What package am I missing? I apt-cache search'ed for gobject packages and I think I have the ones it needs, but I guess not..
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13:23<sas67>did that command dendrite
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13:23<sas67>showing tightvncserver
13:24<sas67>and vnc-common
13:25<sas67>so do i apt-get remove --purge each one of them?
13:25<dendrite>Sure. Or, try just removing the -common, and see if it doesn't take the rest out via dependencies.
13:25<abrotman>Jmd: some python gobject library is missing
13:25<Jmd>abrotman: Yeah, but I can find which one. I thought I had all the ones relating.
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13:26<abrotman>Jmd: python-gobject ?
13:26<Jmd>Got it.
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13:26<Jmd>I even have the debug packages installed for python-gobject.
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13:27<abrotman>is pyroom a debian package?
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13:27<Jmd>It is, but it's not in the repository.
13:27<Jmd>I downloaded it off pyroom's website.
13:27<sas67>dendrite,it says it has removed all 3
13:28<abrotman>Jmd: that might be why
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13:28<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to config my screenrc and I put there screen -t mc mc. Whenever I start a screen I have another instance
13:28<Jmd>abrotman: But shouldn't it still be able to import gobject, just spit out other incompatible version errors instead?
13:28<bcochofel>How can I start one app and then reattach?
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13:30<bcochofel>I also have a script to run rtorrent at boot and I'de like to reattach to that whenever I run screen
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13:30<meline>j'ai un problème avec ma webcam
13:31<abrotman>Jmd: not if the version isn't appropriate
13:31<dpkg>well, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:31<dpkg>rumour has it, webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian:, or mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0
13:31<meline>vous pouvez m'aider svp
13:31<Jmd>abrotman: Alright, that could be the problem.
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13:31<meline>je ne parle pas l'anglais donc parler en français
13:31<Jmd>meline: C'est vrai?
13:32<meline>oui c'est vrai
13:32<abrotman>meline: #debian-fr
13:32<abrotman>meline: english here
13:32<meline>alors tu peux m'aider
13:32<Jmd>Oui, vous allez a #debian-fr pour francais
13:33<meline>mrc aurevoir
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13:34<meline>j ai un problème avce ma webcam
13:34<Jmd>meline: Demandez-vous ton question dans la channel #debian-fr sil vous plait.
13:34<meline>vous pouvez m'aider
13:34<dendrite>meline: English, please.
13:34<abrotman>meline: /join #debian-fr
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13:48<sas67>dendrite did dpkg -l grep for wine also and found libwine and wine(binary0
13:48<simonrvn>ugh, bad french. nice attempt though
13:48<sas67>so removed them too
13:49<simonrvn>"Demandes ta question au canal #debian-fr, svp" (don't have to spell that SVP out usually)
13:50<simonrvn>(yes, i'll be that anal about Mi'kmaq when i learn more of it ;p)
13:50<simonrvn>damn, s/he left too
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14:14<rjbs>apt-get dist-upgrade reports that my kernel is held back
14:14<rjbs>I'm just not sure why it is or how to fix that.
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14:15<dendrite>rjbs: Probably because that metapackage now depends on the -6- version of kernels, and an upgrade won't pull in new packages.
14:15<dendrite>rjbs: So, if you want to go to that newer kernel, use dist-upgrade.
14:17<virtuald>he used dist-upgrade
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14:17<dendrite>Oops, yeah.
14:17<dendrite>rjbs: apt-cache depends linux-image-2.6-686 <-- see what it wants to bring in
14:17<dendrite>May have to actually install the new kernel.
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14:22<virtuald>rjbs: apt-get -s install linux-image-686 will probably show why if the above doesn't
14:22<virtuald>-s = simulate
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14:24<rjbs>thanks, trying that now
14:24<rjbs>(sorry, got distracted by daughter)
14:24<rjbs>linux-image-2.6-686 Depends: <linux-image-2.6.24-1-686>
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14:24<dendrite>Ah, Lenny, right.
14:25<rjbs>I guess I don't even know what it might otherwise upgrade me to.
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14:32<rjbs>aptitude full-upgrade suggested removing linux-image-2.6-686, which I did.
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14:38<Skrat>Aaanyone know why my VirtualBox WinXP Installation hangs at formatting? (at 20%, to be precise)
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14:44<chatuu>some one cantell me how to install firefox beta5 on debian ?
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14:49<chealer>chatuu: beta of which firefox version?
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14:50<chatuu>the lastes one chealer
14:50<chatuu>i can't get it to run
14:50<chatuu>i already downloaded
14:50<chealer>chatuu: which Debian suite do you use?
14:50<chatuu>lenny chealer
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14:51<chealer>chatuu: you really want firefox, rather than iceweasel?
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14:52<chatuu>chealer, iceweasel is that better ?
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14:52<chealer>chatuu: it should be
14:53<chatuu>chealer, i got used to firefox beta... i am using it since the first one... is tehre icewease 3 ?!?
14:54<chealer>chatuu: there are betas of iceweasel 3
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14:54<chatuu>chealer, i will get those to see it... thanks
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14:55<chatuu>chealer, i was using ubuntu since long time... but now it got to heavy.. so i came back to debian... di i do the right choice ? =]
14:56<chealer>chatuu: yes
14:56<bcochofel>chatuu: take a look at the name of the channel...
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14:57<bcochofel>chatuu: anyway, if you're used to bugs then debian is not for you
14:57<chatuu>bcochofel, i am not used to bugs
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14:58<chatuu>bcochofel, how many mem does your debian takes when it turns on ?
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14:59<bcochofel>chatuu: don't know, never give it a measure
14:59<bcochofel>but I just don't like ubuntu
14:59<chatuu>i see it
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15:00<bcochofel>at work everybody uses ubuntu, well, everybody but me
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15:00<chatuu>where do you work ?
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15:01<chatuu>bcochofel, well.. i won't know...
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15:01<chatuu>bcochofel, you saying.... at work... on machines form there ? or at home ?
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15:03<bcochofel>chatuu: work. I develop for Web. PHP, Perl, XHTML, CSS and PostgreSQL
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15:03<chatuu>bcochofel, nice =]
15:04<bcochofel>yep, nice is doing all that on debian, not on ubuntu
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15:07<pixelpapst>for all following p.d.o: i've just opened #europanto :-)
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15:45<n0n2me>Подскажите , как поставить firefox поверх iceweasel , весь день читаю в инете форумы, понимаю что это тот же firefox , но все же ... когда набираю apt-get install firefox , то ставится всеравно icewease .
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15:45<simonrvn>english please?
15:46<Mrkva>the only thing i can read is iceweasel, firefox, apt-get and install :D
15:46<craigevil>firefox=iceweasel :)
15:46<Mrkva>i know :D
15:46<simonrvn>n0n2me: aptitude install iceweasel - same as firefox
15:47<dpkg>from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
15:47<Mrkva>Prompt how to put firefox atop iceweasel, all the day long I read in an Internet forums, I understand that it is the same firefox, but nevertheless... When I type apt-get install firefox it is put всеравно icewease
15:47<n0n2me>ok , i speak eng very bad ... please tell me rus debian help (irc)
15:47<Mrkva>n0n2me, iceweasel is firefox with debian patches
15:48<dpkg>ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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15:53<simonrvn>n0n2me: np
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15:58<user0>Is this the place to ask a question? I"m having trouble opening a port in my iptables
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16:07<Mrkva>user0, yes :)
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16:07<woden>How do I tell what video driver I am using?
16:08<user0>It's port 56565 for an IRC bouncer
16:08<pixelpapst>dpkg, why iceweasel
16:08<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information.
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16:08<Mrkva>user0, iptables -I INPUT --dport 56565 -j ACCEPT ? :)
16:09<pixelpapst>awesome, we made wikipedia with that :)
16:09<user0>Run that from the cl, or put that in a file somewhere?
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16:09<user0>I followed this iptables tutorial setting up the server, works well
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16:09<user0>but I have no idea to change anything now :p
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16:10<xeno1300>woden: look in your xorg.conf /ect/X11/xorg.conf look for driver
16:10<Mrkva>wow... dpkg is really cool bot :)
16:10<user0>Mrkva: do I run that from a cl, or put that in a file?
16:10<woden>xeno1300: It's not in my xorg.conf. My xorg.conf is mostly blank.
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16:11<Mrkva>user0, you have to run this every boot... so put this rule to some iptables configuration script
16:11<xeno1300>woden: did you use the xorg package to install
16:11<Mrkva>personally, i use rc.local :D
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16:11<user0>I've got something in network configuration
16:11<user0>that I setup in the tutorial
16:11<user0>that gets it from iptables.up.rules
16:11<woden>xeno1300: I just installed a fresh copy of Lenny using the beta1 net-install ISO. Everything is default.
16:12<user0>so put that in that file I guess?
16:13<xeno1300>woden: Im still in etch and havent played with lenny much but it looks like xorg didnt find your vid card if that is the entire file...
16:13<woden>xeno1300: yes that is the entire file. I have been told that this xorg.conf looks normal.
16:13<woden>xeno1300: I'm not sure what to think.
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16:14<xeno1300>woden: what card, there is no resoultion and no device
16:14<xeno1300>so Im unsure how that would ever function
16:14<woden>xeno1300: I was told that X does things automatically don't need the xorg.conf filled out anymore.
16:14<woden>But I'm not sure about that.
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16:14<woden>xeno1300: It's an Nvidia 8800M GTS chip.
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16:15<xeno1300>woden: have you tried running an x session to see what it does ??
16:15<woden>xeno1300: I am running an x session
16:16<xeno1300>woden: so what exactly is the problem??
16:16<user0>wtf o.O
16:16<woden>xeno1300: I want to know what video driver I'm running.
16:16<user0>iptables was flushed D:
16:17<user0>and the connection is still refused... shouldn't it be accepting anything now?
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16:18<xeno1300>woden: you should be able to search for the loaded nvidia module but I am unsure how exactly.
16:18<woden>it might not be an nvidia module
16:18<woden>it could be vesa
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16:19<xeno1300>woden: have you tried installing the nvidia driver?
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16:19<woden>xeno1300: Yes, that works
16:20<xeno1300>then it should be working. one of the easiest ways I tell is that the scrolling in Iceweasel is very choppy with vesa drivers.
16:20<woden>But I don't understand, if the xorg.conf is no longer used, then how would a user know what video driver is currently running? And how would a user know how to edit the xorg.conf to switch video drivers from vesa to nv? Is there a GUI that handles this now? If there is, I don't see it anywhere in GNOME.
16:21<woden>xeno1300: I don't really want to use the nvidia binary-only driver.
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16:21<xeno1300>woden: I really dont have any Idea. that is the only place that I know to look and havent read the latest documentation on this.
16:22<woden>alright goodnight i'll take this up tomorrow
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16:23<xeno1300> how can I view kernel messages in real time ? like when I connect a USB device
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16:27<_shai_>xeno1300: tail -f /var/log/messages should do it.
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16:27<user0>iptables-restore v1.3.6: Unknown arg `--dport'
16:27<user0>-I INPUT --dport 56565 -j ACCEPT
16:28*user0 slams head on desk.
16:28<user0>iptables you anger me 0_0
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16:29<xeno1300>_shai_: that is a start but I am really looking for somthing that is more self updateing
16:29<xeno1300>as in plug in and it shows up that can run in a console while trouble shooting
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16:30<_shai_>xeno1300: The -f option of tail does just that. It will show anything added to the log file.
16:30<xeno1300>nvm it just is a little slow
16:30<user0>anyone have an idea for iptables...
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16:39<xeno1300>_shai_: do you know anything about making a gamepad work with linux
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16:39<_shai_>xeno1300: Sorry, no.
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16:50<black_13_>i just install emacs but when i run the emacs for characters i get nice little blocks
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17:02<dendrite>black_13_: Did redirecting in rcS do what you needed?
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17:49<googlah>any tips to lower the load on my server? using mysql and apache..
17:50<black_13_>dendrite, i looked into playing games with sysvinit
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17:50<dendrite>black_13_: Right..
17:51<black_13_>dendrite, i hacked into the source for sysvinit
17:51<black_13_>and just basically turned off output
17:51<dendrite>black_13_: You mean /etc/init.d/rcS ?
17:51<black_13_>it works but something called exim4 registers a panic and it takes forever to complete
17:52<dendrite>black_13_: Or the init binary?
17:52<black_13_>the later
17:52<dendrite>black_13_: exim does not like to find DNS issues.
17:52<dendrite>black_13_: Consider postfix.
17:53<black_13_>just a minute i need to perform some surgery
17:53<petemc>thats a bot over the top
17:53<petemc>the issues with exim delaying boot are easily remedied
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17:54<dendrite>petemc: I'm sure. That's not the only run-in I've had with the "Experimental" mailer.
17:54<dendrite>Emphasis on mental.
17:54<petemc>care to elaborate?
17:55<dendrite>petemc: Non really, at this point, Exim4 and I parted ways some time ago. But suffice it to say that I found it very difficult to get working the way we needed.
17:55<petemc>well, exim works well for very many people
17:55<dendrite>petemc: Certainly.
17:55<petemc>and nothing allows such fine grained control of incoming mail
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17:55<dendrite>Postfix allows that kind of control, from what I've seen.
17:56<petemc>not the same way exim does
17:56<petemc>they're both good, but thats exims strength
17:56<petemc>its flexibility
17:56<dendrite>Well, now we're going in circles, aren't we. I didn't mean to skewer any sacred cows.
17:56<petemc>which is also, for some people, one of its weaknesses
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17:57<petemc>you're the one making remarks about exim being mental, im simplyh responding
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17:58<black_13_>dendrite, well im fighting with xorg
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17:59<dendrite>black_13_: At least you won't be bored. =)
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17:59<black_13_>dendrite, what i wonder is there a way for init to direct its output to file instead of the console
18:00<dendrite>black_13_: I'd imagine it's possible, seeing as how you could call the console a file.
18:01<dendrite>black_13_: When you were in the source, did you find where it opened /dev/console ?
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18:02<dendrite>black_13_: You could try changing that to reference a file on the root filesystem.
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18:02<dendrite>black_13_: Might need to tweak it to allow it to create the file if it's not there...
18:04<black_13_>before i continure i need to fix xorg
18:04<dendrite>black_13_: BTW, petemc suggests that there are solutions to the Exim issue you're seeing.
18:04<black_13_>such as?
18:05<dendrite>black_13_: I guess you'd have to be more specific with the issue you're seeing, so someone here can see what's up...
18:05<black_13_>with xorg?
18:05<dendrite>black_13_: I was talking about exim.
18:07<black_13_>give me a minute
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18:08<black_13_>dendrite, can you offer any advice one why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not ask about what resolution i want to set
18:09<Zathraz>hi. Is there a know issue with the ide-cd module in Debian etch stock kernel image 2.6.18 ? It seems to have issues with device nodes
18:11<dendrite>black_13_: try -phigh ?
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18:11<black_13_>dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
18:12<dendrite>something like that. I'm no expert there.
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18:15<maclink>What language talk in this room, please
18:16<maclink>only english or other language
18:16<maclink>ok thanyx
18:17<Zathraz>there are other channels for other languages
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18:18<qqsea>like ?
18:18<maclink>what the web link of debian to security informations
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18:19<maclink>dendrite, okay very thanks!
18:19<dendrite>maclink: You're welcome.
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18:20<maclink>nice type with U
18:20<maclink>see U and bye for all
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18:56<mike>Hello, can anybody help me with a clock issue? It's 5 hours off even though I set the time zone to America/Chicago in Gnome.
18:56<dendrite>Sounds like maybe the hardware clock is also on CDT
18:56<mike>I tried using ntp (which resolved this issue, somehow, on my laptop), but it hasn't fixed my desktop's clock issue.
18:56<mike>Ah, ok.
18:57<mike>I Googled this for a very long time, about 7 months ago.
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18:57<mike>I poked around with hwclock and couldn't fix anything.
18:57<mike>I will take another look.
18:57<dendrite>mike: What is your BIOS clock set to?
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18:58<mike>Ugh, n00b question but, how can I tell what the BIOS clock is set to without booting into BIOS setup--is there a Linux util? hwclock, perhaps?
18:59<dendrite>mike: hwclock would be a start.
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18:59<mike>Bad news then, as hwclock reports this (seemingly no matter which arguments I try):
18:59<mike>select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
18:59<dendrite>Ah, I've seen that, forgot what the fix was.
18:59<mike>Haha, darnitall :-P
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19:00<dendrite>mike: I set, in the init script, HWCLOCKPARS=--directisa -- something like that may help.
19:00<mike>Well I don't remember what I got when I Googled that (it was 7 months ago)...
19:00<mike>Oh, hah...
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19:00<dendrite>mike: as in hwclock --directisa
19:00<mike>Thanks, I'll try it out.
19:01<mike>Abra cadabra: 1:01 PM CDT.
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19:02<mike>If I use hwclock --directisa and some sort of 'set' argument, perhaps I will have a fix?
19:02<dendrite>That would be what I'd try.
19:02<mike>I hope it's easy to construct a string for setting the date with this thing.
19:02<mike>Right-e-o, I'll let you know.
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19:02<dendrite>mike: there's also hwclock --systohc, if your system is correct.
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19:06<mike>dendrite: Oh man, good call.
19:06<mike>dendrite: Thanks, --directisa was just what I needed!
19:07<mike>dendrite: I can't believe I didn't just go into BIOS setup and change it though--or maybe I did at one point, I dunno, but anyway, thanks.
19:07<dendrite>Glad to help.
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19:11<o_O>omg, i'm so stupid, i just did rm -fr /*/*
19:11<o_O>without noticing what i did
19:11<o_O>is there any way to recover from this?
19:11<dendrite>o_O: restore from backup.
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19:11<o_O>how do i do it?
19:12<dendrite>o_O: Do what?
19:12<o_O>nothing works now not even ls
19:12<o_O>u mean reinstall?
19:12<dendrite>o_O: Do you have a backup?
19:12<o_O>no way to put the links back?
19:12<dendrite>o_O: Then you've just lost your files. A reinstall is as close as you're going to get.
19:12<o_O>it was like in the middle
19:13<o_O>system still works
19:13<dendrite>o_O: Unless your data is worth thousands of bucks, in which case there are companies that can do disk forensics and data recovery.
19:13<o_O>no it doesnt but still, its a server
19:13<dendrite>o_O: It's an odd thing, that a system can continue to run after critical files are deleted.
19:13<o_O>and lots of important info is on it
19:13<dendrite>o_O: *was* on it.
19:13<dendrite>o_O: Did you interrupt the rm ?
19:14<o_O>lots of stuff are still there
19:14<dendrite>o_O: as in, it may be worth pulling the disk, installing on a different one, and then seeing what remains on the old disk...
19:15<o_O>this is bad
19:15<dendrite>o_O: Yeah, pretty much.
19:15<o_O>omg, im so stupid
19:15<dendrite>o_O: Call it a learning experience.
19:16<o_O>i've site on that server
19:16<o_O>and it still works
19:16<o_O>files are still tehre
19:16<o_O>cant do much now
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19:19<o_O>u sure i cant like install something to recover the links to the inodes?
19:21<dendrite>o_O: Well, the irony is that if you install stuff, odds are you'll be stomping over the very data you want to recover.
19:21<dendrite>o_O: So no, like I said, undelete is basically not going to happen without a lot of time and expense.
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19:23<o_O>can i somehow reinstall now from shell?
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19:24<o_O>i now the shell wont work if i restart
19:24<o_O>like i cant login now with new sessions
19:24<o_O>aptget still works
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19:25<o_O>wierdly enough
19:25<o_O>important files are still there
19:25<o_O>not deleted
19:25<Nemoder>did you issue the rm command as root or as a user?
19:25<o_O>i just need the system to work again
19:25<dendrite>ak5: Well, I guess you could *try* to reinstall core stuff.
19:26<o_O>as root ...
19:26<dendrite>o_O: Consider running debsums, to try to see what other stuff is broken.
19:27<Nemoder>you could try apt-get install coreutils --reinstall for the basics at least
19:27<o_O>i will try that
19:27<o_O>as long the system work for at least 1 day more
19:27<o_O>i can reinstall
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19:27<o_O>i just need to backup as long as i can
19:27<black_13_>dendrite do you know much about console device
19:28<dendrite>black_13: No.
19:28<black_13_>as you said earlier pretty much everything is file in un*x system
19:28<dendrite>black_13_: Right.
19:28<o_O>Reinstallation of coreutils is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
19:28<o_O>i guess the system is too broken ah
19:29<Nemoder>heh ya at the very least you need a way to download and copy files
19:29<black_13_>so what i am saying is speculation i wonder if an an itermediat can be created that is betten the true console and init similar to how tee works
19:29<o_O>well wget works
19:30<Nemoder>you could try downloading the .deb and using dpkg to install it direclty
19:31<Nemoder>but I have a feeling too many system binaries are missing for the install scripts to work
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19:32<o_O>dpkg -i coreutils_5.97-5.3_i386.deb
19:32<o_O>dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `root' in statoverride file
19:32<dpkg>package coreutils_5.97-5.3_i386.deb is already installed
19:32<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, o_O
19:33<o_O>im screwed
19:33<azeem>fix your /etc/passwd
19:34<o_O>there's no such file atm
19:34<azeem>use a backup
19:35<o_O>i cant see what's going on there
19:35<o_O>as ls doesnt work
19:35<o_O>can i download ls from somewhere?
19:35<Nemoder>should be /var/backups/passwd.bak
19:35<Nemoder>if cp works
19:35<dendrite>o_O: cp /var/backups/passwd.bak /etc/passwd
19:36<o_O>-bash: cp: command not found
19:36<Nemoder>mv ?
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19:36<dendrite>o_O: Maybe dd works? dd if=/var/backups/passwd.bak of=/etc/passwd
19:36<o_O>-bash: mv: command not found
19:36<azeem>o_O: cd /bin ?
19:36<o_O>-bash: dd: command not found
19:37<o_O>cd bin is there
19:37<dendrite>o_O: Or cat? cat /var/backups/passwd.bak /etc/passwd
19:37<azeem>o_O: try "/bincp /var/backups/passwd.bak /etc/passwd" then, maybe
19:37<o_O>damn nothing work
19:37<azeem>o_O: try "/bin/cp /var/backups/passwd.bak /etc/passwd" then, maybe
19:37<o_O>i guess the command i used
19:37<o_O>rm -fr /*/*
19:37<o_O>left the directory
19:38<o_O>but not much of inside
19:38<Nemoder>well if wget works pull the binaries from another system
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19:38<azeem>o_O: eh
19:38<azeem>o_O: why do you still bother after that command?
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19:39<o_O>heh, no idea
19:39<azeem>you're just wasting our time, methinks
19:39<Nemoder>an interesting challenge though :)
19:40<o_O>hehe, well i just want the system to stay alive
19:40<o_O>as site still working also
19:40<abrotman>it's not going to .. accept the death ..
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19:40<dendrite>o_O: One thing to note, is that files that are open by some process will remain available to that process, even if the file is deleted out from under it.
19:40<azeem>o_O: so don't push the power button. There's not much else you can do
19:41<dendrite>o_O: But once the file is closed, then .... poof!
19:41<o_O>yeah, im aware of it
19:41<o_O>but some site files are still there
19:41<o_O>not sure about apache
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19:41<o_O>not gonna touch it for now i guess
19:42<o_O>we'll reinstall :(
19:42<o_O>damn one command, killed a whole system
19:42<dendrite>o_O: Well, don't look at it that way.
19:43<dendrite>o_O: My point is to learn from this.
19:43<Nemoder>a good reason there why it's a bad idea to do file management as root
19:43<dendrite>o_O: As in, were you doing something that could have been done as another user besides root.
19:43<o_O>yeah, but im doing it for years
19:43<o_O>with root
19:43<o_O>first time it happens to me
19:43<Nemoder>bad habits die hard
19:43<dendrite>o_O: And, did you double-check the command you were about to run as root?
19:43<o_O>just didnt pay attention
19:43<azeem>o_O: ok, so now please stop whining
19:43<o_O>heh obviously not
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19:44<dendrite>o_O: Avoid running as root. My most stressful days are ones where I spend time at the root prompt.
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19:44<dendrite>o_O: You can create groups, and set up permissions so that the vast majority of work can be done as other users.
19:44<Nemoder>really you should only use root to install packages, add users or change permissions
19:45<o_O>yeah, i wanted to rm -fr */*
19:45<o_O>but the / before
19:46<o_O>will set up permissions for next time
19:46<o_O>thanks for your help guys
19:46<dendrite>o_O: Well, the point of this post-mortem is not to make you feel bad. I'm just hoping you take away *something* positive from all this.
19:47<dendrite>o_O: It's a mistake that anyone could make, that's the scary part about it...
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20:26<zak>hey everyone, have a bad problem
20:26<zak>need to fix /etc/network/interfaces
20:26<zak>but cant connect via ssh, so put the server in rescue
20:26<zak>need to know how to edit the file in rescue as rescue is running the network image
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20:28<loopdee>well, so i got the nvidia driver working, tho is there way to make it jsut clone the main screen to the second ? my screens are not next to each other
20:28<loopdee>.... happy mothers day to any moms in here
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20:29<dendrite>zak: So you can connect?
20:31<zak>i can connect with rescue enabled
20:32<zak>but not when server is in normal
20:32<dendrite>So, at this point, only the / partition is mounted?
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20:34<zak>i believe so, to be honest, the only thing i konw is that it is running a network image right now
20:34<dendrite>zak: OK, well, on IRC, nobody can see what you see, unless you explain what's going on.
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20:35<dendrite>zak: As in, what you've tried, what the result was, etc.
20:35<zak>true, ok, when i login through ssh, instead of root-# it says rescue-#, from my understanding thats the network image
20:36<dendrite>zak: So what happens when you try to edit the interfaces file?
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20:37<zak>it shows the un edited version, the defualt if you will, the one i edited was changing it from dhcp to static
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20:37<zak>but it doesn't show the edited, it show the defualt, which im possitive i saved the edited one, then retarted and it got messaed up
20:38<dendrite>zak: And writing the file out gives no error?
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20:38<dendrite>As in, open file, edit, save... no error?
20:39<dendrite>If you open, edit, save, then open again, is the file changed the second time around?
20:41<dendrite>zak: OK.
20:41<dendrite>Now, are your own files on this system at this point?
20:41<dendrite>That is, your usual content.
20:41<dendrite>Your custom stuff.
20:42<dendrite>I wonder if the rescue process you're in plays with files.
20:43<dendrite>So you're making it static? Or you're making it dhcp?
20:43<zak>making it static
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20:43<dendrite>And this IP address is one your network admin gave to you?
20:44<dendrite>And you also put in the netmask, gateway entries in the interface stanza?
20:45<dendrite>And those match what you see now, when you run ifconfig and route?
20:46<zak>i think i see what i did wrong now that you mention it
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20:47<zak>but, my issue isn't really that, its more along the lines that i cant access the file to edit, if that makes sense
20:47<zak>i can get to it in rescue but its the defualt, not the one i edited
20:47<dendrite>Well, my questions about "your customized content" were aimed at figuring out if you were even in your machine's file space.
20:48<dendrite>If something is automagically undoing your edits, that suggests some sort of unseen hand at work, eh?
20:49<dendrite>zak: But, that may be done when you boot *into* this rescue mode, which you shouldn't have to do if your configs are correct...
20:53<zak>anyway, the rescue mode was done remotly, not something i intended to go into, it is the only way i can get onto the server right now, im sure it has something to do with the interfaces file, but it wont let me edit the broken one, it only displays the netowrk image version
20:54<dendrite>So you just rebooted, and no joy?
20:55<dendrite>zak: Nope no joy, or nope, you didn't reboot?
20:55<zak>no joy
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20:56<dendrite>OK, this is something non-debian, obviously, that you need to take up with your hosting provider.
20:56<zak>this linux stuff is fun till you hit a wall
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20:56<zak>well, it is in debain
20:56<zak>thats the thing
20:56<dendrite>zak: This isn't so much linux stuff, as "some random script doing surprising things" stuff.
20:56<zak>well, i appreciate your help
20:57<dendrite>zak: If you want to continue to hack on it, look to see what is mounted, and what might be available to mount. Maybe your / partition is not the same as the / partition used in rescue mode.
20:58<dendrite>zak: In which case, you can make a mountpoint, /myroot, mount your / there, and away.
20:59<zak>rescue:~# mount ./
20:59<zak>mount: can't find /root in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
21:00<zak>thats the errpor i got while mounting
21:02<zak>i see, i have to use fdisk -i to view the mountable disks and go
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21:10<zak>can i give you access?
21:10<zak>i have nothing super important on there
21:10<dendrite>zak: No.
21:10<zak>may i ask why?
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21:11<dendrite>zak: I don't know enough about you or your server, or anything else. Too much liability.
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21:12<kevin>Hello. What is the default run level for a Debian graphical login? Also, what init level would disable X so I could do a dist-upgrade? Any help would be appreciated?
21:12<dendrite>zak: All I need is to get charged for unauthorized access to a system, and my only defense is "some guy on IRC gave me access."
21:12<birdman>anyone know anything about the random xorg 7.3 crashes in lenny?
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21:12<zakame>zak: lol
21:12<dendrite>kevin: Runlevel 2 for all.
21:13<dendrite>kevin: Not like RH, w/ different runlevels for X vs. non-X.
21:13<zak>well, just checking
21:13<kevin>dendrite: Alright, thank you.
21:13<dendrite>kevin: Just stop the DM.
21:13<IceGuest_75>when I try to telnet to my machine it says it connects, and then I can't do anything (btw, i don't know much about telnet)
21:13<IceGuest_75>what can i do?
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21:13<dendrite>IceGuest_75: The first think to know about telnet is to not use it... use ssh.
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21:14<IceGuest_75>i am trying to set up an email server, and the tutorial told me to use telnet
21:14<IceGuest_75>for email
21:14<dendrite>IceGuest_75: ...
21:14<dendrite>Ah, as in telnet host 25
21:15<dendrite>Right, that is a legit use for telnet.
21:15<dendrite>IceGuest_75: Port 25 requires that you know how to "speak" SMTP. port 110 similarly requires POP...
21:16<IceGuest_75>i type in 'telnet localhost smtp'
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21:17<dendrite>IceGuest_75: I'm not sure if you can give a service name, or if you need the port number (25)
21:17<IceGuest_75>and it says 'trying' 'Connected to localhost.' escape character is '^]'.
21:17<dendrite>But anyhow, once you're connected to the smtp service, you speak smtp.
21:17<IceGuest_75>then i can type forever and it doesn't do anything
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21:18<dendrite>RCPT TO
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21:18<IceGuest_75>i typed that and hit return, then it went to the next line
21:18<etchehsketch>Anyone in here who has the patience to help a newcomer to debian?
21:18<dendrite>etchehsketch: Just ask your question. If someone can help, they will.
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21:19<etchehsketch>ok.. 2 questions. first, how do I get to GRUB to set up my boot records?
21:19<dendrite>etchehsketch: If you use debian in a normal way, it should be set up for you.
21:20<dendrite>etchehsketch: So, is there something that tells you your grub setup is wrong?
21:20<IceGuest_75>i can even type quit, disconnect, exit and anything else, and it doesn't do anything
21:20<etchehsketch>when I installed debian, it gave me an error, and I just told it to skip GRUB
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21:20<etchehsketch>and when my system boots, it goes right to linux, and doesn't give me the option to go back to xp
21:21<dendrite>Well, grub is what would have allowed the dual boot.
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21:21<etchehsketch>I have learned that, but now I was hoping to reconfigure it... any way I can?
21:21<dendrite>And I have only distant, painful memories of dual-booting... So I probably won't be much help.
21:22<etchehsketch>this is my first time installing any version of linux.. and until I'm totally comfortable, I don't want to blow away xp
21:23<IceGuest_75>maybe postfix isn't working correctly, could that be the problem?
21:23<dendrite>IceGuest_75: Always a possibility.
21:23<etchehsketch>anyway.. I guess I'll just keep playing
21:24<dendrite>etchehsketch: Well, I'm sure what you're trying to do is possible, sorry I can't be more specific than that...
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21:24<etchehsketch>my second question.. when I went to install my display drivers, it told me I have an x server running and need to close it
21:24<etchehsketch>where is that?
21:24<etchehsketch>dendrite: thanks
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21:25<dendrite>etchehsketch: Are you in X? (graphical environment)
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21:27<etchehsketch>dendrite: not to sound stupid.. but yeah, I'm running the gui if thats what you mean
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21:27<dendrite>etchehsketch: Well, that's your x server.
21:27<etchehsketch>dendrite: lol so what do I do?.. sorry
21:27<dendrite>etchehsketch: So, you'll need to logout of there, login on a text console, kill gdm/kdm/xdm (login thingy), and then proceed w/ driver install.
21:28<dendrite>etchehsketch: You trying to install Nvidia drivers?
21:28<dendrite>etchehsketch: Since you have a working setup now, you might want to wait on the Nvidia stuff, until you're a little more comfortable w/ Debian.
21:29<etchehsketch>dendrite: my biggest concern is just the resolution
21:29<dendrite>etchehsketch: Because there be dragons.
21:29<dendrite>Ah, yeah.
21:29<dendrite>Well, if you really want to go there, you need to get comfortable in a text console.
21:30<etchehsketch>dendrite: I'm used to dual display 1280, and 1024 just makes me uncomfortable lol
21:30<dendrite>etchehsketch: I understand.
21:30<dendrite>etchehsketch: Are you familiar with the linux "virtual terminals"?
21:30<etchehsketch>dendrite: I think I'm fine in the console, I just need directions to get out of the gui to the console. when I'm at the login screen it doesn't give me much for options. All I need is the boot in the right direction.
21:31<etchehsketch>dendrite: Am not.
21:31<dendrite>OK. Let me explain.
21:31<dendrite>Debian (and most linuxes) have 6 "virtual terminals", or VT's, by default.
21:31<dendrite>Then, X runs where a seventh VT would be.
21:32<dendrite>So, if you are in X and want a VT, you would do (don't do this quite yet) CTRL+ALT+F1 (for the first VT.
21:32<dendrite>Got that?
21:32<etchehsketch>I'm with ya
21:32<dendrite>OK, now, since X is still there, at the vt 7 location, to get back to X, you'd hit ALT+F7.
21:33<dendrite>No need for the CTRL+ALT+F7, bit the CTRL won't hurt either.
21:33<dendrite>So, similarly, CTRL+ALT+F2 would be second VT, and so on.
21:33<dendrite>So, now try it.
21:33<dendrite>CTRL+ALT+F7 go get back here.
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21:38<IceGuest_75>so what is this telling me?
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21:39<dendrite>IceGuest_75: That sasl and mysql are not quite right yet?
21:39<IceGuest_75>what is sasl?
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21:41<etchehsketch>dendrite: you there?
21:41<dendrite>Uh huh.
21:41<dendrite>etchehsketch: Note that you don't need to logout of X in order to use a VT.
21:41<etchehsketch>so go back to the login screen?
21:41<dendrite>etchehsketch: ...
21:41<dendrite>etchehsketch: You saw the VT, right?
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21:42<etchehsketch>sorry.. misread
21:42<etchehsketch>no I didn't
21:42<etchehsketch>I think the problem has to do with resolution though
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21:42<etchehsketch>when I hit ctrl+alt+F7 nothing happened
21:42<dendrite>etchehsketch: You didn't try CTRL+ALT+F1 ? Or you did, and there was only a blank screen there?
21:42<etchehsketch>but when I did f1, it was only black
21:42<dendrite>Ah, Ugh.
21:43<dendrite>Yeah, good ol' Nvidia.
21:43<dendrite>Odds are that starting X is putting your video card into a mode where the VT's won't play ball.
21:44<etchehsketch>so I might just be in a better position to stick in a diff video card for now, install my nvidia drivers, then reinstall my current card?
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21:45<dendrite>I have no idea if that would work.
21:45<dendrite>I'd be concerned that the nvidia drivers would refuse to install if they don't detect the hardware...
21:45<etchehsketch>I was thinking that too. Hhmm..
21:45<etchehsketch>Any suggestions?
21:45<dendrite>etchehsketch: What IRC program are you using?
21:46<dendrite>I ask because there are terminal/console programs for irc also.
21:46<dendrite>and that would allow you to shut down irc and still ask for help.
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21:46<dendrite>There are also text mode web browsers, for that matter.
21:48<etchehsketch>how would that help me, if I can't get to a terminal?
21:48<dendrite>etchehsketch: If you disable X entirely, odds are the VT's will work.
21:48<dendrite>etchehsketch: Might need a reboot, but it would probably work.
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21:48<dendrite>etchehsketch: My understanding is that the video drivers in X put the card into a state the VT's can't handle...
21:49<etchehsketch>I'm game.. whats the worst that could happen? a reinstall? lol how do I go about this
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21:49<dendrite>etchehsketch: Well, I'd probably install irssi, and w3m or a similar text-mode browser.
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21:51<etchehsketch>Not that I'm too sure how to use those in terminal.. but they're installed
21:52<dendrite>You basically type the name of the program, to run it.
21:52<etchehsketch>fair enough
21:52<dendrite>etchehsketch: The idea is you'd use, e.g., F2 for irssi, F3 for your root prompt/admin shell, etc.
21:53<abrotman>or screen ?
21:53<etchehsketch>I'm with ya.. nice
21:53<dendrite>Now, the next question is whether your DM (graphical login) is hosing your VT's or whether it's just gnome/kde/whatever your X WM is.
21:54<dendrite>abrotman: etchehsketch is a newbie, and I'm trying to keep this very simple.
21:54<etchehsketch>just when I thought I was getting somewhere..
21:54<dendrite>etchehsketch: So, if you can simply reboot, and when the graphical login screen comes up, go successfully to VT2 or whatever, then you dn't need to actually disable X on boot...
21:55<dendrite>abrotman: Unless you know a way to get Nvidia-hosed VT's (blank) to come back to life?
21:55<abrotman>oh .. stupid nvidia
21:55<etchehsketch>if that doesn't work, how do I disable X on boot?
21:55<dendrite>etchehsketch: Nvidia is not too popular around here.
21:56<etchehsketch>I'm quickly learning that.
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21:56<dendrite>etchehsketch: X is started from a file in /etc/init.d, named one of gdm, xdm, or kdm.
21:56<dendrite>etchehsketch: So, temporary easy way is to mv that file , e.g., from gdm to _gdm.
21:56<etchehsketch>I work a lot with maya, and the nvidia 8800 was given to me to keep me up to speed
21:57<dendrite>Then later you can mv it back, e.g., from _gdm to gdm, and get back your X on boot.
21:57<dendrite>etchehsketch: If you notice, I've carefully avoided criticizing your hardware.
21:58<etchehsketch>what is the company of choice around this way?
21:58<etchehsketch>for cards
21:58<dendrite>I'm not even sure. ATI is getting better.
21:59<dendrite>Nvidia is historically a pain.
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22:00<etchehsketch>ok... I'm gonna go for the reboot and see if I can get to vt from the login screen
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22:00<dendrite>etchehsketch: Sounds like a plan.
22:00<etchehsketch>thanks for everything so far
22:00<dendrite>etchehsketch: Good luck.
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22:16<Laeborg>what is the standard install dir for iceweasel?
22:16<dendrite>Laeborg: dpkg -L iceweasel
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23:15<iw>How can I search for what package a particular file is a part of? dpkg-query -S <filename> doesn't seem to work.
23:16<dendrite>iw: /path/to/file ? Does that work?
23:16<iw>oh god i am sorry
23:16<iw>i misspelled the filename
23:16<dendrite>iw: No worries.
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23:50<iw>I recently manually installed a 2.6.25 kernel and the corresponding nvidia kernel module, and mplayer or any other program that links with libGL seg faults immediately. i used gdb and found that is the place where it seg faults. I was using libgl1-mesa-glx11, then i tried uninstalling that and installing libgl1-mesa-swx11, but it didn't work. I googled this, but didn't find anything recent. does anyone know what the problem might b
23:52<Nemoder>iw: if you use nvidia's installer you will need to rerun the installer every time you update xorg gl libs etc
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23:53<iw>Nemoder, to install the module, i just ran `sh`
23:53<Nemoder>yes that is their installer
23:54<iw>so it should work if i re-run that right?
23:54<Nemoder>but that doesn't just install the kernel module, it also installs xorg libs and opengl libs and will overwrite what debian uses
23:54<Nemoder>probably yes
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