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00:02<twb>I want to set up a quaternary Sid/i386 mirror on my local machine. What are my options for going about doing this?
00:03<Nemoder>apt-proxy?
00:03<twb>No, a *mirror*.
00:03<twb>I specifically want to replace broken apt-proxy and apt-cacher instances.
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00:11<Ouroboros>evening, where can i get the 4.0r2 ISO ?
00:12<twb>!tell Ouroboros -about iso
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00:14*Supaplex installs via www.goodbye-windows.com
00:15<Ouroboros>well, the debian site appears to have only 4.0r3, the second site is 500 and the last site does not exist
00:15<Ouroboros>maybe time to update that factoid
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00:18<twb>Supaplex: that requires a windows install!
00:18<twb>All my hardware comes with Xandros or FreeDOS :P
00:19<twb>Ouroboros: oh, I see, you want an old CD
00:19<twb>Ouroboros: why?
00:19<Supaplex>I had to laugh that windows hcl only supported ie6+. how do they expect anyone to make the switch? haha. :)
00:20<twb>hcl?
00:20<Supaplex>!hcl
00:20<dpkg>hcl is probably at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn>
00:20<Ouroboros>twb: complicated answer... i wrote an installation guide for use with 4.0r2 and now i need to update the guide only... i want to make sure i am using the right installer, since there might be minor differences...
00:21<Ouroboros>but its OK, i will just use 4.0r3
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00:22<Ouroboros>hcl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustan_Computers_Limited
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00:25<twb>Ouroboros: HCL = Hardware Compatibility List
00:25<twb>I didn't understand how an HCL could have OS requirements, but I guess it uses thingyX controls
00:25<Ouroboros>twb: i like mine better
00:27<Ouroboros>i actually found something that is worse than activex the other day.... managed directx.... MS: pushing the frontier of useless technology
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00:31<Ouroboros>do people have experience with ZFS+FUSE?
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00:35<shital>Hello All
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00:38<Ouroboros>sup
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00:58<silent>why are there 21 debian cds?
00:59<tehk>Anyone know how I would get dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to act as normal? It only wants to set keyboard settings
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01:04<hw>silent, because approx 23000 packages fit on 21 cd :)
01:05<hw>tehk, i would try "dpkg-reconfigure --default-priority xserver-xorg"
01:05<Supaplex>and why does my bank account support high balances? ;P
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01:07<silent>hw, would I need all of them for a standard install, or should I continue using netinst?
01:08<silent>(I'm not downloading all 21 cds)
01:08<hw>silent, you can safely continue using netinst if you have a fast internet connection ! Debian installer will downoad only needed packages
01:09<silent>hw, is there an option for something in between? something with a full cd of the most common packages?
01:10<silent>I do relatively frequent reinstalls, and I'd hate to have to tax the repositories with redundant downloads
01:10<hw>silent, yes, the first CD !
01:10<tehk>hw, thanks I resorted to adding Driver "nv" to my device
01:10<hw>tehk, good :)
01:10<silent>hw, thanks
01:10<hw>silent, i think the first CD contains Gnome, Xorg, OpenOffice, etc.
01:10<silent>great, thank you
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01:12<hw>silent, you're welcome
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01:19<twb>Even better than netinst is mini.iso!
01:19<twb>That's only 8MB!
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01:20<twb>It contains a kernel, a ramdisk, and isolinux... that's *all*. It doesn't even waste time downloading udebs for hardware you don't need!
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01:42<snaggletooth>hello room
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01:44<snaggletooth>forgive me if i have improper netiquette, but I am a debian user in need of some help
01:45<twb>!tell snaggletooth -about ask
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01:45<[machine]>snaggle: just as your question :)
01:45<[machine]>+k
01:45<snaggletooth>is anyone here familiar with dealing with X and nvidia?
01:46<snaggletooth>x is working well
01:46<snaggletooth>but when i try and game i having troble with GL
01:46<twb>snaggletooth: which X driver are you using?
01:46<snaggletooth>nvidia's
01:47<twb>I can't help you. Sorry.
01:47<snaggletooth>i know it taints the kernel
01:47<snaggletooth>lol
01:47<phorce1_>what debian release?
01:47<snaggletooth>testing
01:47<snaggletooth>of course....
01:47<snaggletooth>i know i have heaped coals on my own head
01:48<phorce1_>I haven't fully tested my install yet but ... (wait, let me find the link
01:48<phorce1_>)
01:48<twb>Rhetoric is not necessary. Just patiently wait for someone who condones nvidia drivers to respond.
01:48<twb>You can also try /msg dpkg nvidia.
01:49<snaggletooth>well im not sure its the driver much as whatever happened to my xorg.conf
01:49<phorce1_>!nvidia-lenny
01:49<dpkg>methinks nvidia-lenny is http://www.texasvolksbus.org/nvidia-lenny.htm
01:50<phorce1_>That's what I did to install on lenny
01:50<phorce1_>Then I manually added the load "glx" to the modules section of xorg.conf
01:51<phorce1_>The simple mesa tests work OK (glxgears)
01:51<phorce1_>I haven't had time to mess with the machine since I reached that stage
01:52<jm_>snaggletooth: get it from sid
01:53<snaggletooth>hmmm, well i will see if this helps
01:53<phorce1_>I need to copy my xorg.conf from my current machine (which is a lenny upgraded from etch with working 6200 card) to the new machine (fresh lenny install with 8500 card)
01:53<snaggletooth>you mean from sid instead of lenny
01:53<jm_>well since there is no nvidia driver in lenny ...
01:53<phorce1_>you have to either get parts from sid or do a "simple sid backport" with the sid sources.
01:54<phorce1_>I chose the "get parts" method
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01:54<jm_>might need simple sid backports nowadays because of new xorg version in sid
01:54<snaggletooth>jm - im using the driver from nvidia not from debian
01:55<phorce1_>That's why the web page I pointed at has the big ugly one-liner with wget commands and all kinds of other neat stuff.
01:56<snaggletooth>phorce - okay, I'll try that and see if armagetron will give a go after
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01:57<phorce1_>snaggletooth: I'll walk to the other room and install armagetron real quick to see if it works
01:57<phorce1_>how was it breaking for you
01:57<jm_>snaggletooth: don't
01:58<snaggletooth>phorce - Couldn't set video mode: Could not create GL context
01:58<snaggletooth>jm - why?
01:59<snaggletooth>phorce - Error: Error in bool sr_InitDisplay() in ../../src/render/rScreen.cpp:738 :
02:01<phorce1_>snaggletooth: you have already installed drivers from nvidia -- my method may no longer work for you without a clean install. Let me test armagetron, installing now but I have to walk away to the other room to mess with it since it's obviously not something I can test over ssh <heh>
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02:02<snaggletooth>phorce - yeah i did install the nvidia drivers before and it did work for a while
02:02<snaggletooth>i think something happened somewhere after an apt upgrade
02:02<jm_>snaggletooth: because you'll have to rebuild it on every dist or kernel upgrade
02:04<snaggletooth>jm - ok, i have had to do that before on previous machines, i didn't know there was a way to build that prevented that
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02:05<jm_>snaggletooth: uninstall nvidia driver and do it the debian way
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02:07<snaggletooth>jm - i have read an article about that but everytime i tried it kept telling me the package i needed wasn't available and so it failed, if i recall correctly... it's been awhile
02:11<phorce1_>VERY cool game (and I suck at it). Works fine on my system and no frame drops with all features turned all the way up (Core2 Quad, 4GiB RAM, 512MiB 8500GT)
02:12<phorce1_>1440x900 on a 22" LCD
02:12<snaggletooth>damn
02:12<NinjaMan>phorce1 - what game are you referring to?
02:13<phorce1_>(it's my new "play toy" that I don't have time to play with. Plan to try to also get MythTV working on it sending HiDef out to my TV using a DVB-S card)
02:13<phorce1_>NinjaMan: Armagetron
02:13<twb>bleh, the cycles look ridiculous
02:13<twb>gltron cycles actually look *right*
02:14<phorce1_>snaggletooth: read through your xorg.conf and make sure the glx module is being loaded
02:14<twb>phorce1_: read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be better.
02:14<twb>GLX is probably loaded implicitly.
02:14<phorce1_>twb: I don't play a lot of games. Solitaire mostly. ;-)
02:15<twb>xmoto and crawl, here.
02:16<phorce1_>twb: On my fresh lenny install dpkg-reconfigure of X creates a VERY bare-bones xorg.conf. No modules, standard vesa video driver (ie, no driver listed in the DEVICE section), etc.
02:16<snaggletooth>phorce - dpkg: error processing /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source_169.12-1_i386.deb (--install):
02:16<snaggletooth> package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
02:17<snaggletooth>what should i change that to?
02:17<twb>phorce1_: you can just delete xorg.conf on many systems, now
02:17<twb>I only keep it around for Virtual 1600 1680
02:17<phorce1_>snaggletooth: heh -- you didn't specify. You need to pick the amd64 packages (if they exist)
02:18<Supaplex>sup phorce111111111111111111111___________________________________________________________________
02:18<snaggletooth>phorce - sorry, i has the amd 64
02:19<phorce1_>twb: I had REALLY ugly video before I added the glx module and set the nvidia driver by hand
02:19<twb>snaggletooth: you cannot install _i386.deb packages on an amd64 Debian system. This is a fundamental problem in dpkg and will not change in the near future.
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02:19<twb>phorce1_: serves you right for buying nvidia hardware.
02:19<phorce1_>snaggletooth: Go to packages.debian.org and search the sid repositories for nvidia on the amd64 arch
02:19<phorce1_>hey Supaplex
02:20<twb>Or he could just use m-a.
02:20<twb>!nvidia
02:20<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
02:20<twb>!nvidia one-liner
02:20<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
02:20<phorce1_>none of that works for lenny, the packages don't exist
02:21<twb>Then I guess he needs to make a hybrid system.
02:21<phorce1_>either have to do a simple sid backport or grab the packages manually from sid
02:22<phorce1_>twb: no no no no. That gets REALLY ugly.
02:22<phorce1_>My system is no hybrid -- I did this:
02:22<phorce1_>!nvidia-lenny
02:22<dpkg>nvidia-lenny is, like, http://www.texasvolksbus.org/nvidia-lenny.htm
02:23<snaggletooth>uhm how's about i just change the i386 at the end to amd64 and see if it works?
02:23<phorce1_>Just manually grabbing the packages keeps apt(itude) from trying to upgrade the whole da** system to sid
02:23<twb>phorce1_: that's called pinning.
02:23<phorce1_>snaggletooth: or you could look on packages.debian.org and find the real name like I did for i386. ;-)
02:24<twb>Although you can actually do that even without pinning, just by setting the default release in /etc/apt/apt.conf
02:24<phorce1_>twb: even when attempting to pin the nvidia packages the apts want to upgrade other stuff that is actually already available in lenny
02:25<phorce1_>It's really ugly
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02:25<jm_>snaggletooth: just find it on http://packages.debian.org -- you also get downloa dlink there
02:25<twb>phorce1_: you are wrong.
02:26<twb>phorce1_: if those are your symptoms, then it means you screwed up, not that the process itself is faulty.
02:26<snaggletooth>it worked, almost...
02:26<phorce1_>twb: I tried twice, on the third clean install I did it the "manual way"
02:26<snaggletooth>bash: /dpkg-reconfigure: No such file or directory
02:27<phorce1_>snaggletooth: oops -- my bad
02:27<twb>snaggletooth: dpkg-reconfigure is in /usr/sbin, not /.
02:27<twb>phorce1_: my remarks remain the same.
02:27<phorce1_>fixing now
02:27<snaggletooth>ok
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02:29<snaggletooth>so should i just refresh that page you gave me before?
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02:30<phorce1_>snaggletooth: if everything else ran just do the dpkg-reconfigure by hand. No need to do it all over again
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02:30<snaggletooth>ok
02:30<phorce1_>snaggletooth: and you may not need to do tha
02:30<phorce1_>t
02:30<phorce1_>snaggletooth: if your xorg.conf already has the nvidia driver and glx module lines
02:31<snaggletooth>it might have
02:31<phorce1_>that's why I said earlier to look at your xorg.conf (or the log as twb suggested) to see if the glx module was getting loaded
02:32<snaggletooth>but i can always compare/contrast what's there now and what's on the backup
02:33<phorce1_>twb: I may have screwed up trying pinning. But I stared at all the one-liners and other suggestions until my eyes were crossing so I just backed up and looked at in a "what are these commands actually trying to do?" way. And I found my own way to accomplish it.
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02:34<phorce1_>twb: What do you suggest for good video if not nVidia? (and not in the $300+ range either)
02:35<twb>phorce1_: intel i9x0 onboard
02:35<twb>I've also had good results with Matrox G450s and ATI Radeon 9000s.
02:36<phorce1_>twb: the ATI drivers are worse than nVidia. I haven't tried Intel yet.
02:36<twb>The Free ATI drivers are *much* better than the Free nvidia drivers, and the r250 chipset is well understood, unlike r300 through r900.
02:36<snaggletooth>ok, well I'm about to reboot and see what's up.. if I'm successfull would you appreciate me logging back in here and saying so?
02:37<phorce1_>snaggletooth: we're pretty relaxed. Notify us or don't.
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02:37<snaggletooth>lols, ok well my fingers crossed
02:37<jm_>snaggletooth: you don't need to reboot
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02:38<snaggletooth>well then how should i restart x?
02:38<phorce1_>twb: I'm trying to push the limits and I couldn't get HiDef out of the All-In-Wonder I had (a 9800 I think)
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02:38<jm_>how do you start X?
02:38<phorce1_>snaggletooth: logg out of X and back in
02:38<twb>If you are trying to "push the limits" with respect to graphics cards, DO NOT run a Free operating system.
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02:39<snaggletooth>will that work with gdm?
02:39<twb>phorce1_: to set up a hybrid testing/unstable system, which *only* upgrades packages from Sid if they are already newer than the Lenny version, add APT::Default-Release "testing"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf
02:39<phorce1_>twb: rephrase -- trying to push the limits WITHIN a free operating system
02:39<twb>phorce1_: that seems rather pointless.
02:40<jm_>exit from X ; invoke-rc.d gdm restart
02:41<phorce1_>twb: I like the other things my linux boxen can do at the same time that I use them as a desktop. And there are quirks in Windows that just annoy the heck out of me to the point that I'd rather work 3 times as hard to make something work under Linux.
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02:41<twb>If it's a Free game, on a Free OS, it won't need a modern GPU or a non-free driver for same.
02:42<twb>Tremulous, for example, runs fine at 1600x1200 on a r250.
02:42<twb>(Well, Tremulous isn't DFSG Free, now I come to think of it.)
02:43<phorce1_>the modern gpu and non-free driver is to try to get hi-def satellite TV playing later at a full 1680x1050 with no frame drops
02:44<twb>Bah.
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02:45<phorce1_>twb: somewhere up there in the backlog I did state that the machine I'm talking about is a "play toy". I have many other Debian boxes that don't even have X installed
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02:47<phorce1_>I got a Core2 Quad 6400 for under $200. Got the 8500GT for under $100 motherboard for under $200. I ended up with only about $500 invested in a very fast machine toplay with.
02:48<jm_>why such an expensive motherboard?
02:48<jm_>I paid 91EUR for motherboard, 145EUR for CPU (E8200) and arround 180 for 8800GT (with Zalman cooler)
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02:48<phorce1_>lots of sata ports and more PCI slots than most new boards have now (8 sata, 3 pcie x1, 1 pcie x16, and 3 pci)
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02:49<jca>ircII is cool :D
02:49<twb>And you're actually going to put eight drives in a workstation?
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02:50<phorce1_>jm_: 91EUR for your motherboard is about the same as I paid for mine in USD
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02:50<phorce1_>twb: It will do dual duty as a storage box too
02:51<phorce1_>something I can yank the storage drives out of if I blow it up
02:51<twb>It seems foolish to run tainted stuff on a system that's also going to be doing important NAS work.
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02:52<jm_>phorce1_: yes, but it's not comparable since prices in US are generally quite a bit lower, especially comapred to my country
02:52<phorce1_>twb: if I can get the video working the way I want I'll rip a bit of my DVD collection to it for watching.
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02:55<snaggletooth>it worked, thanks guys
02:56<snaggletooth>it was a goodthing i had a backup of xorg.conf though
02:56<phorce1_>Quoting prices AFTER shipping to me (total cost) I paid $189 for the quad core CPU, $145 for the motherboard, $78 for the 8500GT, $75 for 4GiB of RAM
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02:57<twb>Kids these days
02:57<valdyn>and that box might still not play blue rays perfectly?
02:57<phorce1_>at 43 I'm happy to still be one <grin>
02:58<valdyn>( on linux anyway )
02:58<twb>I find it obscene that a single user ever thinks it necessary to have 4Gb of memory.
02:58<phorce1_>valdyn: I still haven't been able to talk myself into spending $200 just for a DVD player, even a REALLY Hi-Def one
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02:58<phorce1_>When I started playing with computers 3K was planty
02:59<twb>Exactly.
02:59<snaggletooth>lols at phorce
02:59<twb>It shows just how bloated eclipse and firefox and gnome are
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02:59<snaggletooth>i remember when all we had was bbs and 300 baud modem was awesome
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02:59<phorce1_>typing faster than it could transmit
03:00<snaggletooth>exactly
03:00<twb>I can remember etching my own PCBs
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03:00<phorce1_>typing with one hand and taking notes with the other -- log file, what is THAT?
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03:01<phorce1_>heathkit -- so sad when they went away
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03:31<Guest535>hallo...
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03:32<valdyn>twb: in a decade your cellphone will probably have 64G ram
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03:35<twb>valdyn: I don't own a cellphone and I never have.
03:35<twb>They are a form of mind control
03:35<valdyn>twb: right, i hate them
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03:36<twb>Look at what happens: the phone rings, and immediately your conversant stops talking to answer it
03:36<valdyn>twb: unfortunately i got one from work
03:36<twb>It's downright pavlovian
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03:40<valdyn>ok, i got millions of files and the stupid updatedb cronjob keeps indexing ALL of them, is there no replacement that skips certain paths?
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03:42<valdyn>ah, the mlocate description reads promising
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03:44<jm_>valdyn: you can tell it to skip given paths or simply chmod 700
03:44<valdyn>jm_: i cant tell it to skip paths
03:44<jm_>valdyn: sure you can
03:44<valdyn>jm_: i can see the "PRUNEPATHS" variable
03:45<valdyn>jm_: but it does not do what you think it does
03:47<jm_>valdyn: it works for me
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03:47<valdyn>jm_: PRUNEPATHS="/mnt/backup /tmp /usr/tmp /var/tmp /afs /amd /alex /var/spool /sfs /media"
03:47<jm_>or maybe not ;)
03:48<valdyn>jm_: yet i still get /mnt/backup/* indexed
03:48<valdyn>jm_: which makes 20 million files and hours to run the updatedb job even if about nothing changed
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03:49<jm_>valdyn: let me check the script
03:50<valdyn>jm_: takes me 5 hours on a system with no load
03:51<valdyn>jm_: ah, i got the mistake
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03:53<adriano>hi to all
03:53<valdyn>jm_: the cronjob seems to reset all the variables that are also set in /etc/updatedb.conf, no idea which does and which should take precendence
03:54<jm_>valdyn: which cron job does that for you?
03:55<valdyn>jm_: /etc/cron.daily/locate
03:55<jm_>valdyn: ohh I only have /etc/cron.daily/find - this is on Etch
03:55<valdyn>jm_: hmm, i have both
03:56<jm_>valdyn: yeah it adds PRUNEPATHS to PRUNEREGEX just fine here, I had it for my old setups till and that's why it didn't work, good thing you mentioned it ;)
03:57<adriano> if I download emesene .deb packet from debian.org I see some dipendences, but If I try to install it from apt, it show me full gnome-suite (about 30 packets) as dipendences...why?
03:57<valdyn>jm_: so i have 2 cronjobs, one of both might work
03:57<valdyn>jm_: i mean work correctly
03:57<jm_>valdyn: which package owns that file for you?
03:57<jm_>adriano: recommends perhaps?
03:57<valdyn>jm_: find is from findutils, locate from the locate package
03:58<adriano>jm_: sorry I don't understand your suggest
03:58<jm_>valdyn: ahh right, that's new in testing
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03:58<jm_>adriano: apt-cache show emesene
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03:58<valdyn>jm_: i have locate and locate.findutils
03:59<valdyn>jm_: so i need to disable one anyway it seems
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03:59<jm_>valdyn: yeah sounds like an overkill
03:59<adriano>jm_, apt-cache show me only real dipendencies...not full gnome-suite (30 packets)
04:00<jm_>adriano: paste the output one some paste site
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04:00<adriano>I saw emesene for example but it is with all packets like gimp
04:00<beer>how do I how many times a user have commited something to svn?
04:01<twb>beer: ask #svn on freenode
04:02<adriano>app-install-data deborphan docbook-xml gimp gimp-data gimp-gnomevfs
04:02<adriano>gimp-python gnome-mime-data gnome-mount libavahi-glib1 libbonobo2-0
04:02<adriano>libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libcairo-perl
04:02<adriano>libeel2-2.20 libeel2-data libexif12 libgimp2.0 libglib-perl libgnome-menu2
04:02<adriano>libgnome2-0 libgnome2-canvas-perl libgnome2-common libgnome2-perl
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04:02<adriano>excuse me
04:02<cesco>ciao
04:02<adriano>there was the gimp dipendencies
04:02<adriano>cesco sei italiano?
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04:03<adriano>jm_, ?
04:03<jm_>adriano: I said paste site, not #debian ...
04:04<adriano>what site?
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04:05<jm_>!paste
04:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
04:06<adriano>in debian.org for gimp I see only 7 dipendecies, with apt I show about 30 dipendencies (like synaptic)..
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04:07<twb>*dependencies
04:07<valdyn>looks to me like the locate package and the findutils package both contain about the same locate program
04:07<adriano>excuse me for my english I'm italian
04:07<blarson>!it
04:07<twb>I tell you so you get better.
04:08<twb>If you don't want me to tell you, I'll stop.
04:08<adriano>No no I want tell with you
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04:09<adriano>!it
04:09<jm_>adriano: paste it here http://channels.debian.net/paste/
04:10<twb>adriano: you using synaptic? Or does "apt-get install gimp" try to install synaptic?
04:10<adriano>I'm not using synaptic
04:10<adriano>but I see app-install-data synaptic and other programs in the list of dependecies for gimp when I try to install gimp with apt-get install
04:11<twb>It is because libeel2-2.20 Recommends: synaptic
04:11<adriano>yes but It isn't in the reccoments list...synaptic it is in the dependencies list..
04:11<adriano>Reccomends*
04:12<adriano>Recommends* sorry...
04:12<twb>gimp depends libgnomevfs2-0 recommends gnome-mount depends libeel2-2.20 recommends synaptic
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04:12<twb>adriano: you are using aptitude?
04:13<adriano>I try but the results is the same
04:14<yang>dpkg: tell adriano about debian-it
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04:14<adriano>tnx
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04:15<adriano>I posted my problem in debian-it
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04:17<adriano>any suggestions?
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04:19<superjet_away>gvfsd always load it up even in fvwm, is it possible to disable it?
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04:20<caramel>hello!
04:20<adriano>hi
04:21<jm_>superjet_away: don't use GNOME apps ;)
04:21<caramel>umm i just installed debian on my apple ibook, and the mouse pad moves REALLY slow... does anyone know how to fix this?
04:21<caramel>it happened to me on ubuntu too (-_-;)
04:21<jm_>caramel: no
04:21<superjet_away>jm_: :)
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04:22<caramel>oh..... (-_-;)
04:22<jm_>caramel: i.e. my mom has no clue what apple is or mouse pad, so she can't help you at all
04:22<jm_>apple the company ;P
04:22<caramel>ummm?
04:23<caramel>yes. mouse pad: controls the mouse???
04:23<jm_>!yes or no
04:23<jm_>!yesno
04:23<dpkg>yesno is, like, Only ask a question that can be answered with "yes" or "no" if you really want "yes" or "no" as the answer. If you don't want "yes" or "no" as the answer, _ask a different question_. See also http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html
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04:25<caramel>what? so then can anyone help me with this problem?
04:25<caramel>how can i fix this?
04:25<jm_>which driver is it using?
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04:25<caramel>its kind of stupid though, if you understand english, you can understand the question without such a strict rule jm_ ... and i dunno what driver
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04:25<nevyn>caramel: synaptic is most likely the driver
04:26<nevyn>it has a number of parameters to control the speed of the cursor
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04:26<jm_>caramel: same goes for you - if you understand english you can ask a smart question
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04:26<jm_>caramel: so why don't you find out then?
04:26<caramel>ah yes! synaptic! now i remember... thx
04:27<nevyn>remember.. sure.
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04:27<caramel>when i installed ubuntu i had to edit some kind of file for synaptics... that was a LOOOOONG time ago though...
04:27<jm_>man 5 synaptics
04:27<jm_>there are at least 3 GUI tools to configure it
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04:29<caramel>kk
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04:31<caramel>how do i activate shmconfig?
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04:33<Flinx>Hi! I have problem. When using firefox or wget or apt-get in debian - host resolving is working very slow. Takes 20 sec to resolve hostname. When using `wget -4 www.google.com` is working less than second. So i think problem is related to ip protocol version. How to set up debian to use ipv4 always?
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04:34<twb>Flinx: I believe by default Debian will always use ipv4
04:34<caramel>question Flinx, when u use wget, do you use the whole www.hostname.com or just hostname.com?
04:34<twb>Flinx: pastebin the contents of /etc/resolv.conf, and the output of "time host google.com"
04:34<jm_>Flinx: do you have avahi or similar crap installed?
04:35<twb>Yes, and is network-manager installer?
04:35<cahoot>Flinx: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409
04:36<jm_>that doesn't stop AAAA lookups or does it?
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04:36<Flinx>caramel: I use `wget www.google.com`
04:37<Flinx>twb: Sec will do pastebin
04:38<Flinx>twb: http://pastebin.com/d6ee543e6
04:39<jm_>don't forget to check nsswitch.conf and try to strace it
04:39<twb>Flinx: I asked for two things.
04:39<Flinx>twb: I know, sec, pls
04:39<Flinx>twb: http://pastebin.com/d1585696f
04:40<twb>Flinx: what is the ping time for 192.168.1.254?
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04:40<twb>Flinx: do you have ssh access to that host? If so, what is *it's* resolv.conf?
04:41<caramel>flinx, oh ok. sometimes not using the www can cause sites to come up slowwww
04:41<caramel>oh yeah, about makeing shmconfig active?
04:41<Flinx>twb: 64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.434 ms. Yes i have access to that host. This is fresh resolv.conf. Just got it from server
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04:42<Flinx>caramel: when using `wget www.google.com` have same problem (host resolving takes 20 sec)
04:42<twb>Flinx: I want to know what 192.168.1.254:/etc/resolv.conf is. I want to you ping the nameserver referenced by that file.
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04:43<twb>Flinx: in short I want to know which nameserver is being slow.
04:44<Flinx>twb: Yes, just did that. Approx ping time is 0.3 sec
04:44<bs7rphb>Mornin - I'm having a problem possibly caused by the latest kernel security update to stable. SSH servers not starting. Anyone else seeing this?
04:44<Flinx>twb: Sec, will give you some more output to just make you sure i doing all right
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04:45<the-dude>bs7rphb: does it say why it doesn't start in logfiles?
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04:45<twb>the-dude: hopefully he can get in to find out :-)
04:46<bs7rphb>the-dude, good point: error: Bind to port 22 on 192.168.9.2 failed: Cannot assign requested address.
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04:47<bs7rphb>twb, yep, just been down and used the console, so 20th-century :)
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04:47<bs7rphb>the-dude, when I start it manually later, it starts fine.
04:48<bs7rphb>perhaps it's trying to start before the interface is properly up...
04:48<Flinx>twb: http://pastebin.com/d6d7d7325
04:48<caramel>what do i need to change in xorg to make the mouse speed faster for synaptics?
04:49<the-dude>bs7rphb: static or dynamic ip?
04:49<bs7rphb>the-dude, DHCP-assigned, but static
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04:50<the-dude>bs7rphb: and you did not have any problems with your previous kernel?
04:51<carsten>Hi there, is there any possiblity to query a kernel module to the actual set parameters?
04:51<carsten>I.e. modinfo e1000 shows me several parameters, but is it possible to ask the kernel/the module e.g. what it currently uses for TxDescriptors?
04:51<bs7rphb>the-dude, nope. This has happened on two machines, I haven't updated any others yet
04:51<jm_>carsten: I don't think so - does ethtool help perhaps?
04:51<twb>Flinx: no, that's not what I'm talking about
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04:52<twb>Flinx: I want you to ssh INTO 192.168.1.254 and do tests there
04:52<cahoot>carsten: tried synclient?
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04:52<the-dude>bs7rphb: which kernel?
04:52<Flinx>twb: Ahh, i see. No there is no ssh server installed.
04:53<twb>Flinx: I don't know what else to try, other than to call your netadm and ask him.
04:53<bs7rphb>the-dude, 2.6.18-6-vserver-amd64 is the new one.
04:53<jm_>Flinx: does it work faster if you use your ISP's nameserver directly?
04:53<cahoot>caramel: : tried synclient?
04:53<carsten>jm: not as far as I have discovered that
04:54<carsten>cahoot: Need to look that up, nveer heard about it
04:54<Flinx>jm_: Sec, will try.
04:54<Gekz>http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL0875110620080508?sp=true
04:54<cahoot>carsten: directed to wrong nick - sorry
04:54<carsten>cahoot: Ah ok :) NP
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04:56<fanto666>hello, if I boot from install CD, can I continue installing from USB stick? The machine can't boot from sticks but they're much faster
04:56<Flinx>jm_: Trying now cahoot hint about blacklisting ipv6 module
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04:56<jm_>Flinx: you will need to rmmod it now if it is loaded already
04:57<Flinx>jm_: I feel like DNS server is main problem, because same configurtion working perfect on other networks
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04:57<Flinx>jm_: And `wget -4 www.google.com` working fast too
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04:57<bs7rphb>the-dude, thanks for your help, I think I'll try shifting the init order about so that SSH is started later. Bit of a pain though...
04:58<fanto666>or do I have to boot from floppy to be able install from USB stick?
04:58<jm_>Flinx: or your 'hosts' configuration in nsswitch.conf
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04:58<carsten>fanto666: I would simply continue via cd and or switch over to networked install
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04:59<the-dude>bs7rphb: I did hear of you problem before , but I don't know the real "fix"
04:59<nighost>hey!
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04:59<bs7rphb>the-dude, I've seen something similar a while ago as well, but with something a little less critical than ssh.
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05:00<the-dude>bs7rphb: I saw the exact same problem a while ago but I can't reminder kernel versions
05:01<bs7rphb>the-dude, hmm. Well, I'm certainly not sticking with an insecure kernel just for this, I'll play with the init order a bit. I'll check back afterwards. Thanks for the help!
05:01<Flinx>cahoot: Just tried to blacklist ipv6. Reloaded host. Chacked if module is not loaded. Module is not loaded, but problem still exists.
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05:03<Flinx>cahoot: Checked with `lsmod | grep ip`. This command returns empty string.
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05:05<Flinx>twb: network-manager is not installed. avahi not installed.
05:06<jm_>strace it and paste nsswitch.conf
05:08<caramel>ummmmmm why is make not installed by default on debian???
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05:09<Flinx>jm_: strace what `wget www.google.com` ??? Which strace options you need? It's ok to use `strace -fFt -o wget.trace wget www.google.com` ????
05:09<cahoot>why should it be?
05:09<carsten>caramel: Because not everyone wants it :)
05:09<carsten>caramel: aptitude install build-essential :)
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05:10<fanto666>carsten: the network doesn't work currently
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05:11<Snurglewozzle>ps -aux ... bad syntax °_°
05:12<jm_>Flinx: just 'strace wget www.google.com' is enough for now
05:12<Snurglewozzle>how is it possible?
05:12<jm_>ps aux
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05:12<jm_>without the '-'
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05:13<carsten>fanto666: OK, but then I would just stick to the CD
05:13<carsten>fanto666: It won't take too long
05:13<fanto666>i wanted to have it faster :)
05:13<fanto666>ok
05:13<Snurglewozzle>jm_ I remember it always worked, since when it changed?
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05:15<jm_>Snurglewozzle: are you using testing?
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05:16<jm_>fanto666: you should be able to mount it manually if nothing else
05:16<Flinx>jm_: Ok, here is wget trace: http://pastebin.com/ma4d31e9 . And here is nsswitch.conf: http://pastebin.com/d16cc88fe . And here is strace without options (just like you told): http://pastebin.com/d48b70e66
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05:18<fanto666>jm_: can I tell installed to use it?
05:19<Snurglewozzle>jm_ no : /
05:19<jm_>fanto666: hmm not sure off top of my head
05:19<jm_>Snurglewozzle: well it works just fine in Etch
05:19<jm_>Flinx: are you using nscd?
05:19<fanto666>mhm
05:19<Flinx>jm_: no
05:20<Flinx>jm_: Have no nscd command
05:21<jm_>Flinx: it's not a command - dpkg -s nscd
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05:21<Flinx>jm_: Package `nscd' is not installed and no info is available.
05:21<jm_>Flinx: never mind, I can see you're not from the strace
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05:22<Flinx>jm_: Just noticed than 192.168.1.254 is netopia router. I logged in with telnet to 192.168.1.254
05:22<EmleyMoor>When I start an
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05:23<Flinx>jm_: I also have access to it's web interface
05:23<EmleyMoor>When I start an xterm on a remote Solaris box, it appears with a black background and default white text, except when the display is my Debian box when the situation is reversed. How do I put that right?
05:24<jm_>Flinx: hmm can you use strace -r wget ... ?
05:24<Flinx>jm_: ok, sec
05:24<jm_>EmleyMoor: set X resources properly
05:25<EmleyMoor>jm_: How?
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05:27<jm_>EmleyMoor: uhm in .Xresource or .Xdefault or whatever your server reads on start, or manually with xrdb
05:28<Flinx>jm_: Ok, here is with -r option http://pastebin.com/d3f71730b
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05:30<EmleyMoor>jm_: Which resource or the absence of it would be causing this?
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05:31<jm_>EmleyMoor: man xterm, section RESOURCES (i.e. background and so on) -- you can also use appress to query resources
05:32<caramel>thanks for earlier carsten
05:32<EmleyMoor>jm_: I will look further but there may be a version difference - and no manpages where it's being run
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05:33<jm_>EmleyMoor: it's the same resource name anyway, see /etc/X11/appres
05:34<jm_>/etc/X11/app-defaults even
05:34<jm_>Flinx: it's just your name server being slow, it timeouts twice after 5s
05:34<jm_>Flinx: i.e. without receiving anything
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05:35<jm_>Flinx: did you test by using ISP's name server directly? host www.google.com ispnameserverip
05:35<EmleyMoor>jm_: Is this at my side or its?
05:36<Flinx>jm_: In netopia router DNS is configured dynamically. Seems like i should to set primary and secondary DNS servers from internet provider.
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05:36<Flinx>jm_: This is what i have in netopia web interface: If your service provider hosts a Domain Name Server, you may enter the domain name and IP address associated with the server here. If you are receiving DNS information dynamically from your service provider, the server addresses must be entered as "0.0.0.0".
05:36<jm_>EmleyMoor: well if you run X server on your machine it's your machine where it matters - but perhaps xterm on that box is asking for another resource name
05:37<EmleyMoor>s/perhaps//
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05:37<EmleyMoor>It's set right at my side, only wrong when it's coming from there
05:37<jm_>EmleyMoor: it honours my Debian settings on our Sun servers ...
05:38<jm_>Flinx: yeah would make sense if one could figure out what it's using for that now
05:38<EmleyMoor>jm_: It dishonours them for me
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05:38<jm_>EmleyMoor: which version of solaris and which path are you using it from?
05:39<EmleyMoor>Sol9...
05:39<jm_>same here, and path?
05:39<EmleyMoor>/opt/sfw/bin
05:40<Flinx>jm_: Thanks for help! I going to get DNS servers from ISP, and set up netopia. Now DNS is set to 0.0.0.0 (dynamic autoconfiguration from server provider). Seems like they didn't support autoconfig this way.
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05:41<jm_>what happens if you use the one in /usr/openwin/bin/xterm?
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05:41<jm_>Flinx: but in that case nothing would work
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05:43<EmleyMoor>jm_: Still gives me black on white
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05:43<EmleyMoor>It gives me white on black on Cygwin X - just not on Debian
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05:44<jm_>EmleyMoor: well WFM, and I can see it using XTerm-color and XTerm resources
05:44<jm_>EmleyMoor: wait, you need to explain the situation then
05:45<EmleyMoor>jm_: Explain it how? As far as I can see it's inexplicable
05:45<jm_>EmleyMoor: your setup - where it works, where it doesn't - and where X servers are running and where xclients etc.
05:46<EmleyMoor>All works "as expected" except Solaris client to Debian server
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05:47<Flinx>jm_: Sorry, in which case nothing would work?
05:47<EmleyMoor>Under that situation only, it gives me black on white, rather than the desired white (gray90) on black
05:47<Flinx>jm_: If DNS set to 0.0.0.0?
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05:48<jm_>Flinx: yeah
05:49<Flinx>jm_: I see. Thanks
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05:50<jm_>trussing it on Solaris would show which resources it's asking for
05:50<jm_>Flinx: no worries
05:50*EmleyMoor trusses it...
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05:50<fairway>hi
05:51<fairway>where are the public key servers accessiable by www?
05:51<fairway>for gpg/pgp
05:51<EmleyMoor>Anything I'm particularly looking for in the truss output?
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05:52<jm_>truss -t open shall do for now
05:52<mysupper>fairway / wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net
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05:53<jm_>ahh also access not just open
05:54<fairway>mysupper: can I remove an old key?
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05:54<mysupper>fairway / don't have to.
05:54<mysupper>fairway / gpg --armor will automagically do that for you.
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05:57<EmleyMoor>:-)
05:57<bhupesh>need help on repository of apt-get
05:57<EmleyMoor>bhupesh: What's the problem?
05:58<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it was not finding any directive and was using a default
05:58<bhupesh>we have one package sysklogd and now we want to upgrade it with two new separate packages klogd and syslogd
05:58*EmleyMoor copied two files over to his home on the Solaris box
05:59<bhupesh>what changes would be required on server repository ?
05:59<EmleyMoor>bhupesh: Why do you want to do this?
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06:00<bhupesh>we are testing debian apt-get
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06:00<jm_>it should get the resource from the server, it doesn't matter if files exist or not
06:01<bhupesh>we have setup one server repository and trying to understand it's working
06:01<EmleyMoor>jm_: Well, it wasn't doing
06:02<jm_>EmleyMoor: it certainly is here ;)
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06:21<vook>I wonder if/how I could compile the broadcom firmware into b43 (so it's within the kernel).
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06:29<R2r>hello
06:30<R2r>i nedd help
06:30<EmleyMoor>Please just ask
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06:30<the-dude>vook: can't you build a module ?
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06:31<R2r>i need to know which is the best debain based distro for my notebook
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06:31<jm_>the best is debain itself
06:31<blarson>!debian-based
06:31<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
06:32<R2r>ok then could you tell me which version of debian to use on my notebook
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06:33<EmleyMoor>R2r: Try etch - that's the stable one...
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06:33<R2r>yes but what are the minimum system requirements
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06:33<jm_>read installation guide to find out
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06:34<EmleyMoor>R2r: I am sure they are far below what your laptop has
06:34<R2r>it has 256mb ram
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06:34<vook>the-dude: sure. I'm just curious how it would be done.
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06:34<R2r>and 1.4ghz processor
06:34<EmleyMoor>R2r: More than enough at least to get you going
06:34<the-dude>vook: instead of selecting at as a module you select it 2 be build into the kernel
06:35<R2r>i need a stable base for running heavy applications
06:35<jm_>the-dude: he means the firmware, not the driver itself - i.e. so it's all in one file
06:35<R2r>which xp dosent give me
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06:35<jm_>heavy applications with 256M of RAM?
06:35<jm_>forget it
06:35<R2r>yes
06:35<the-dude>vook: oh sorry don't know that
06:35<R2r>not so heavy!!
06:35<vook>the-dude: but then it looks to /lib/firmware for the firmware files. I'm wondering how I could place the firmware inside the kernel (and not need b43-cutter. :)
06:36<Gathond>depends on what he means with heavy though
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06:36<R2r>i need to run counter-strike servers
06:36<R2r>2 of them
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06:36<Gathond>no idea what those use in terms of memory
06:37<R2r>64-mb
06:37<R2r>will running debain etch give me 128mb of free ram
06:38<R2r>provided i give it 4gb swap
06:38<Gathond>googe seems to suggest 256 MB as enough
06:38<EmleyMoor>R2r: It depends what else you want to do
06:38<Gathond>256 MB of ram snd 4 GB of swap?
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06:38<R2r>yes
06:38<R2r>i do it conserver
06:38<Gathond>well unless 256 MB is the maximum memory for the machine why not buy some more, its not that expensive
06:38<R2r>in India it is
06:38<R2r>a lot
06:39<the-dude>I have one laptop with 128MB of ram and it is running fine
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06:39<R2r>ok good
06:39<R2r>does debain support wine
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06:39<jm_>R2r: yeah and beer too
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06:39<the-dude>iceweasel takes a while to start
06:39<vook>R2r: etch will work nicely with 256mb (then 384 or 512 swap should be fine).
06:40<R2r>ok nice
06:40<vook>R2r: maybe try xfce
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06:40<R2r>will wine work on debian
06:40<the-dude>I am using xfce on it :)
06:40<Gathond>why even bother running X to run CS servers
06:40<R2r>and can i have two gnome nad XFCE
06:40<vook>R2r: of course.
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06:40<R2r>its required
06:40<EmleyMoor>R2r: Yes - though if you want a recent version, you will need to add a repository manually
06:41<vook>R2r: gnome may be a bit slow, but it'll work.
06:41<R2r>iam not so good at linux cli
06:41<R2r>will KDE work smooth
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06:41<vook>how fast is the CPU?
06:41<R2r>1.4ghz
06:41<vook>that should be fine.
06:42<R2r>for kde??
06:42<vook>R2r: yep
06:42<R2r>so i go for etch
06:43<R2r>can i install it from iso's on a hard disk
06:43<R2r>like fedora "askmethod"
06:43<vook>R2r: do you already have linux installed?
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06:43<R2r>nope
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06:44<R2r>i have a server though
06:44<the-dude>R2r: just try cd or usbstick/disk that's alot easyer
06:44<R2r>ok
06:44<R2r>so no editing with the bootloader
06:44<R2r>yep thats good
06:44<the-dude>etch will fix your bootloader after the install
06:45<R2r>is etch smaller than 2gb
06:45<the-dude>yeah
06:45<vook>R2r: get the netinst iso, that should be fine. it's about 160mb
06:45<R2r>i need the pakages as well
06:45<R2r>there already there on my blade server
06:46<vook>R2r: ok. You have your own mirror? ;)
06:46<R2r>yes
06:46<vook>nice
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06:46<R2r>its my mean machine
06:46<R2r>its got 2 quad-core intel centrino
06:47<R2r>8gb ram
06:47<the-dude>*g* you don't have money to buy memory but you do have a blade server?
06:47<R2r>160+160+160gb hdd
06:47<Snurglewozzle>Excuse, I can't download kernel_package, could anybody help me?
06:47<R2r>not fully mine
06:47<Snurglewozzle>http://pastebin.com/mbd65016
06:47<R2r>help the other guy
06:47<R2r>ill wait
06:48<Snurglewozzle>I suppose I have some problem with depencies, it's a vanilla debian and the only thing I did was apt-get install kernel_package
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06:49<EmleyMoor>Snurglewozzle: What version is it?
06:49<Snurglewozzle>3.x : /
06:50<EmleyMoor>You're out of date and may have stumbled into stable
06:50<the-dude>Snurglewozzle: seems like it won't install with the old glic
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06:50<Snurglewozzle>I can't even upgrade
06:50<vook>why not?
06:51<Snurglewozzle> sysvinit: Depends: e2fsprogs (>= 1.15-1) but it is not installed
06:51<jm_>because he failed to read release notes
06:51<Snurglewozzle>This e2fsprogrs is blocking everything
06:51<vook>Snurglewozzle: have you tried to add etch repo's?
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06:51<the-dude>and he has 3 window manager installed \o/
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06:52<Snurglewozzle>not really
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06:52<vook>just session managers
06:52<vook>desktop managers rather
06:52<Snurglewozzle>I'm doing it
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06:53<R2r>has he left??
06:54<vook>seems so - I recommend a backup, fresh install, and restore. That system is probably a mess.
06:54<R2r>can i install etch on a usbstick 1gb
06:54<R2r>by the way the blade server is for the office
06:54<R2r>ima not so rich
06:54-!-Snurglewozzle [~snurglewo@sense-sea-MegaSub-1-209.oz.net] has joined #debian
06:54<R2r>lol!!
06:54<R2r>ill wait
06:55<Snurglewozzle>I had deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
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06:55<vook>Snurglewozzle: have you tried an 'aptitude dist-upgrade' lately?
06:56<Snurglewozzle>I don't even have aptitude
06:56<EmleyMoor>apt-get dist-upgrade then...
06:56<Snurglewozzle>but with apt doesn't work
06:56<R2r>get a full format
06:56<Snurglewozzle>Tried it, but I get the same error of unmet dep.
06:56<R2r>nono
06:56<R2r>get a full format
06:56<R2r>then isntall
06:57<R2r>etch again
06:57<Snurglewozzle> sysvinit: Depends: e2fsprogs (>= 1.15-1) but it is not installed
06:57<petemc>!e2fsprogs loop
06:57<Snurglewozzle>R2r, are u talking with me
06:57<R2r>yes
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06:57<Snurglewozzle>?
06:58<vook>Snurglewozzle: could you possibly back up all your data, do a new install, and then restore what you need (home, some files in etc and var perhaps, so on)?
06:58<R2r>get a full format with reinstalltion of the new version
06:58<petemc>why?
06:58<Snurglewozzle>Sorry, what does it mean get a full format, then install etch agaun
06:58<jm_>!e2fsprogs
06:58<dpkg>e2fsprogs is, like, http://bugs.debian.org/325834
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06:58<petemc>reinstalling is what people who dont know any better do
06:58<jm_>petemc: question is -- does he know better? :P
06:58<R2r>yes correct
06:58<vook>petemc: ok, help him fix it
06:58<EmleyMoor>Snurglewozzle: Read that bug - if you still can't fix it, come back
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06:59<Snurglewozzle>ok
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06:59<petemc>vook: jm_ already dud
06:59<R2r>iam still new
06:59<petemc>gah, did
06:59<petemc>R2r: then really you shouldnt be advising people what to do
07:00<R2r>iam sorry for that
07:00<EmleyMoor>I haven't needed to nuke-and-pave a Debian system for some years
07:01<jm_>i think one of mine's going since 2.1 -- was a fresh install after 1.3 --> 2.0
07:01<EmleyMoor>Windows is another matter, especially when people install bricks!
07:01<R2r>brb
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07:02<EmleyMoor>I've got one on lenny that started on sarge
07:03<EmleyMoor>... and this one has not been n&p'd since slink!
07:03<EmleyMoor>My laptop was on sarge when that was testing but stayed with it once it was stable...
07:05<Flinx>jm_: I tried to set working dns servers in netopia router and changed DNS server in resolv.conf, but after restarting debian resolv.conf DNS server is reset to 192.168.1.254.
07:05<Snurglewozzle>sorry, I couldn't really understand how to solve the problem. It is just saying that is something you can't do to upgrade, but I just wanted to install a kernel package, and now everything is blocked : /
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07:06<EmleyMoor>Snurglewozzle: You need to get upgraded - you are running an out of date system
07:06<jm_>Flinx: tell dhcp client not to do that
07:06<Flinx>jm_: Just after setting another DNS in resolv.conf and until restarting debian hosts are resolving very fast. After restarting DNS server in resolv.conf is reseting to 192.168.1.254 and hosts are resolving 20sec (just like before)
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07:15<wildrain>Hello Channel
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07:23<Gekz>why does debian set the ext3 partition to have a boot flag?
07:23<Gekz>it doesnt have to have a boot flag
07:23<Gekz>at least with grub it doesnt
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07:24<EmleyMoor>Gekz: Just in case the boot loader used requires it
07:24<Gekz>it breaks windows nicely lol
07:24<jm_>Gekz: btry clearing it from all partitions, see what happens
07:25<Gekz>jm_: tell me, what happens.
07:25<Gekz>other than the bios saying "No OS found"
07:25<jm_>Gekz: exactly that, no boot
07:25<Gekz>lol
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07:25<Gekz>its the same as it setting a boot flag on the ext3 if the installer doesnt complete
07:25<Gekz>it makes a mess.
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07:28<Buff>If I have my Bios clock set wrong and change the time/date in the console with the Date -s command, will my bios date be set to UTC time? /etc/timezone file is set correctly
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07:30<jm_>Buff: utc setting is not configured via timezone
07:30<jm_>!utc
07:30<dpkg>from memory, utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart
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07:31<Buff>thanks
07:31<jm_>no worries
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07:34<R2r>hello again
07:34<R2r>anyone there
07:34<R2r>??
07:35<Buff>nope
07:35<padski>!ask
07:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
07:35<the-dude>nobody is here
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07:36<the-dude>nobody: I was gonna do that :P
07:36<R2r>iam sorry
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07:36<phorce1><heh>
07:36<R2r>i need help in instaling debian etch to a usbstick
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07:37<the-dude>did you read the documentation?
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07:37<R2r>where
07:38<doktoreas>hello evrybody
07:38<doktoreas>can I use the ubuntu livecd to reinstall the system keeping the home folder?
07:38<EmleyMoor>doktoreas: Is this #ubuntu?
07:38<doktoreas>ops
07:38<doktoreas>sorry EmleyMoor
07:38<cahoot>only if /home is on its own partition
07:39<doktoreas>wrong chan
07:39<doktoreas>really sorry
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07:39<the-dude>did you read the documentation?
07:39<the-dude>R2r: debian.org
07:39<EmleyMoor>Yes, I would say it can be done though... if it's on its own partition you can just leave it alone at least with most system installs
07:39<padski>R2r, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en
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07:40<odmin86>Hi 2 all
07:40<padski>R2r, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179
07:40<phorce1>R2r: also possibly helpful http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB
07:40<padski>R2r, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446
07:41<padski>R2r, or google
07:41<Buff>ok, bye all. Love you and leave ya's
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07:43<odmin86>can somebody help me with debian?
07:43<EmleyMoor>!ask
07:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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07:53<odmin86>debian-40r3-amd64-netinst is a version with x-window ? thank you
07:55<jm_>odmin86: no, netinst doesn't have X
07:56<odmin86>jm_ but using apt get command i can intall it, yes?
07:56<odmin86>from the FTP
07:57<jm_>odmin86: as long as your net connection works yes
07:57<odmin86>:) thanks
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08:39<mikes>hello all, is there any reason that although i have linux-image-2.6.-686 installed in instable, newer kernels do not replace the older ones?
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08:40<cahoot>mikes: not if you mean they get removed
08:41<mikes>not removed but also newer kernels are not installed
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08:45<vook>mikes: what kernel are you running? 'uname -a'
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08:46<mikes>vook: as i see linux-image-2.6-686 depends on 2.6.24-1-686 though 2.6.25-1-686 is available. the metapackage is not updated
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08:47<odmin86>i have installed x-window, mc, everything working, but when i type apt-get install Gnome (or KDE), nothing heapens. how can i install it?
08:47<odmin86>apt-cache search?
08:48<cahoot>don't use caps
08:48<vook>mikes: I think some sid packages aren't installed by default while etch or lenny repo's exist. ??
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08:49<mikes>vook: i use sid and the only repos that exist are sid's ones
08:49<vook>hmm
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08:50<vook>interesting - living on the edge, maybe time to add some experimental repo's :)
08:50<mikes>i don't think so :-). i prefer having sid and help as much as i can with bug reporting :)
08:51<vook>mikes: you can always just install it with 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.25.1-686
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08:52<mikes>vook: that's what i've done since 2.6.25 was available. i do not know if the previous version depedance of the metapackage is debian policy or bug
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08:54<vook>I can't help you there. I went on a one month BSD bender, just see how nice Debian is again.
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08:56<erlend>howcome my sunbird launches every time I click a html-link?
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08:59<fantonio_br>Hi list
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09:02<wusel>hi can i burn the netinst cd iso to a dvd?
09:02<jm_>wusel: well can you?
09:03<fluor->how can I detect CD capacity for a blank disc?
09:03<ltw>hi
09:04<wusel>jm_: i can burn dvds but not cds (in absense of cd(rw) disk), but there is only a netinst cd image for download
09:04<jm_>cdrecord -atip
09:04<ltw>Can I use emacs22 on etch?
09:04<jm_>wusel: it's the same image for cd or for dvd ...
09:04<wusel>jm_: thx, i wanted to hear that
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09:08<Flinx>jm_: I disabled receiving DNS ip's from DHCP server and set IP address of DNS server manually in resolv.conf . All is working ok now.
09:09<jm_>Flinx: good
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09:10<Flinx>jm_: But it's possiblel to make debian work as xp: set timeout for receiving data from DNS = 2 sec. And if DNS is not responding properly, get anothrer DNS server's answer?
09:11<jm_>Flinx: yes; yes
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09:11<Flinx>jm_: Is there some wiki how to do that?
09:11<jm_>Flinx: no idea, man resolv.conf explains it
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09:12<Flinx>jm_: ok, thanks!
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09:18<Aleric>While reading mail (sending mail?) with mutt, the lines are wrapped around automatically to make them less than 80 characters. This is highly annoying - is there a way to turn that off?
09:18<fluor->Aleric: really? I would like such a feature in my mutt! :)
09:19<Aleric>Well, I posted a .diff - and the resulting mail is totally unreadable imho.
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09:19<fluor->ah, indeed
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09:19<fluor->Aleric: does it happen with the mails you send, or any mail you receive?
09:19<Aleric>Not sure :/
09:20<fluor->'cause if it's the mails you send
09:20<Aleric>Can you send me a mail with long lines? :)
09:20<fluor->it probably has to do with you $EDITOR
09:22<jm_>must be your editor doing it
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09:23<fluor->Aleric: if you're using vim, :set tw=0
09:23<fluor->Aleric: but people will complain that you send long lines
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09:24<Aleric>Hmm, I'm confused now - maybe it's not me after all :/
09:24<jm_>or simply use pastetoggle and disable with it with a keypress before pasting/inicluding the patch
09:24<jm_>who then - badgers?
09:25<klh_>Hi #debian
09:25<Aleric>jm_: I think I use :set paste ... And I suppose it's indeed the editor.
09:26<Aleric>But it only happens while composing mails, not when I'm typing in vim elsewhere.
09:27<jm_>Aleric: check the settings, perhaps it's done via file-type detection
09:28<jm_>I mean compare the setings
09:28<jm_>Aleric: about :set paste -- :help pastetoggle, very handy
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09:28<jm_>I use that all the time
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09:29<fluor->pastetoggle? sounds good
09:30<fluor->fucking hell, that pastetoggle thing _is_ amazing
09:31<Aleric>Hmm, what key to use?
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09:35<fluor->Aleric: I was wondering about the same thing :)
09:35<fluor->Aleric: I think I'll go for F11 as they say
09:35<Aleric>I want to toggle with my left hand I think... so I went for F2
09:36<Aleric>(My right hand is holding the mouse, because I'm about to paste)
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09:37<Aleric>While we're improving the mutt experience... there is another thing that is terribly annoying: html emails :p
09:37<Aleric>I'm currently using this in ~/.mutt/mailcap :
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09:37<fluor->ah, right - I use a touchpad, so it doesn't matter
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09:38<Aleric>text/html; w3m -dump %s; copiousoutput; nametemplate=%s.html
09:39<Aleric>The disadvantage of that is that all url's disappear. There is no http://... strings. If the source contains <a href="http://url.here">hello!</a> you only see "hello!".
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09:39<fluor->right
09:39<fluor->I have text/html; w3m -I %{charset} -T text/html -dump; copiousoutput
09:39<Aleric>What I'd like is that it shows the url :p
09:39<fluor->and I think it does the same
09:39<fluor->but I'm not quite sure
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09:41<fluor->my mutt used to call links on HTML emails
09:41<fluor->but for some reason I didn't like it too much
09:41<fluor->you might want to ask on #mutt
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09:46<fantonio_br>hi list
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09:48<mcraw>Trying to install etch on new server, but the hard disk is not detected properly under amd64 install. Where is the best place to start for help?
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09:48<cahoot>mcraw: SATA disk?
09:49<mcraw>yes it is. Have installed other distro like suse10.3, but my cluster is etch.
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09:50<cahoot>mcraw: I might be wrong but possibly the etch kernel doesn't handle sata very good
09:51<mcraw>have 3 other servers running etch just fine. is there an improved backports kernel for amd64 etch?
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09:52<cahoot>mcraw: try the info in /msg dpkg kmuto
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09:54<mcraw>you mean /msg on the install disk?
09:54<cahoot>no in this channel
09:56<mcraw>cahoot: thanks, will try...
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10:41<klh>hi orpheus49
10:41<orpheus49>I do not want anything, I was checking IRC
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11:08<bhupesh>i want to discuss for apt-get repository
11:08<bhupesh> i am trying to update sysklogd with apt-get update and upgrade command
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11:10<padski_>what error do you get ?
11:11<padski_>!paste
11:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:13<bhupesh>it is not updating sysklogd
11:15<bhupesh>the package it is trying to update and upgrade does not include sysklogd
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11:16<bhupesh>but repository is having upgraded packages
11:16<ajcc>Hi, is there a way to get iceweasel to tell pages it's Firefox? I'm having troubles with my bank's page :(
11:16<plo>hello
11:16<ajcc>plo: Hi
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11:17<avu>ajcc, IIRC, you need an extension to do that in a nice way. have a look at the mozilla addon pages.
11:17<plo>i try to find channel to "speak" about storage on debian
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11:18<______>hello.
11:18<______>does anybody know where can I get extensions for linux seamonkey ?
11:19<______>i tried many sites but there are only windows stuff and doesnt install on my box
11:19<______>I need session management extension
11:19<ajcc>avu: I'll have a look
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11:20<padski_>______, is that iceape in debian ?
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11:21<jthomas>Is there any way to recursively run chmod (chmod -R) where directories get rwx but the files inside only get rw- ?
11:21<______>I use gentoo to be honest, but I dont think distro or this prog name makes any difference
11:21<avu>jthomas, not without using find I think
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11:21<ali3n0>jthomas: use find -exec
11:21<Flo>http://nopaste.biz/41772 how to fix this?
11:21<avu>jthomas, the find manpage contains examples about how to do such a thing with just one pass
11:22<padski_>!tell ______ about gentoo
11:22<jthomas>hmm I'mm have to check again, thank you ali3n0 and avu
11:22<Flo>i think it's a Kernel bug
11:22<Flo>or?
11:23<______>padski_: I dont want to argue about distro supremacy, my question was simple. I cant find ANY site with linux stuff for seamonkey, thats what I asked
11:23<avu>padski_, and you're askign in the wrong channel.
11:23<______>btw. gentoo ownz
11:23<avu>emr
11:24<avu>______, ^^^
11:24<azeem>______: please ask in #gentoo then
11:24<padski_>______, Only Debian is supported on #debian.
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11:25<ali3n0>jthomas: something like find -type d -exec echo "chmod u+rwx {}" \; for directories. remove "echo" if you see it fits
11:25<______>omg. you can insert your debian into your debian asses.
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11:25<phillipsjk>!seamonkey
11:25<ali3n0>______ lol :D
11:25<padski_>!iceape
11:25<dpkg>methinks iceape is The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird.
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11:31<jthomas>How can I flush my DNS cache on Debian Lenny?
11:31<petemc>restart bind, if thats what you're using
11:32<petemc>if you're not running a caching nameserver, you dont have a cache
11:32<jthomas>winbind? or is that for a windows network something?
11:32<petemc>i dont understand the question
11:32<the-dude>jthomas: troubles with samba?
11:33<jthomas>In my /etc/rc2.d/ I only have S20winbind, no bind itself... the-dude, no trying to check a website
11:34<the-dude>netstat -tan|grep 53 ?
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11:34<jthomas>the-dude: yes, I get a response if that is what you're asking
11:35<jthomas>tcp 0 0 10.10.10.84:53213 XX.YYY.ZZZ.135:5222 ESTABLISHED
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11:36<the-dude>thats no dns server :)
11:36<the-dude>see whats in /etc/resolv.conf
11:36<the-dude>that show the used dns
11:36<jthomas>yes, two external addresses, so no loopback = no cache?
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11:39<jthomas>the-dude: yes, two external addresses, so no loopback = no cache?
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11:40<the-dude>as far as I know there is no such thing a local dns cache without a local dns server
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11:41<R2r>will etch run well on 256mb ram &1.4 ghz pc with enough memory to run a counter strike server
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11:41<jthomas>ok, so winbindd is a Wiondows thing I guess... yeah, the man page reads, "Name Service Switch daemon for resolving names from NT servers"
11:41<jthomas>ok thanks!
11:41<petemc>it will run, but more ram would be better]
11:41<R2r>with xfce is more ram required
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11:42<petemc>as i say, it will work, more ram would just be.. better
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11:42*phillipsjk always gets jealous when people ask "will etch run on my crappy machine" questions.
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11:43<phillipsjk>R2r: does a counter strike server even need a window manager loaded?
11:44<R2r>yes it does
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11:44<phillipsjk>You can run X apps withou a window manager ;)
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11:45<R2r>so with xfce and a bit of swap can i get atleast 92mb of free memory
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11:45<dan>i'm having real problems with my x setup after upgrading to lenny
11:46<dan>the ati driver has removed mergedFB support, but i have 2 gpus
11:46<Technofrood>Anyone able to help me with a PPTP routing issue? I used PPTPConfig and told it to do net to net routing, it works almost fine (I have a slight problem with it resolving host names), but I have a second network card in the machine which dhcpd bound to it giving out ips in a different range to both local and remote nets but machines connected to this network card fail to rout accross the tunnel
11:46<padski_>will etch run on my sinclair black watch ?
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11:46<dan>the ati driver has removed mergedFB support, but i have 2 gpus, how can i get output on four monitors now that it's gone? xrandr only seems to support 1 gpu
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11:47<phillipsjk>R2R I am using a total of 120 MB of Memory (including swap) ATM.
11:48<R2r>so with 256mb + 4gb swap how will it be\
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11:49<phillipsjk>I am not familliar wthi running a game server, but you should have enough memory for xfce to get out of the way.
11:49<knoppix__>ciao
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11:50<Guest609>chi sa il comando x istallare knoppix su hd ?
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11:50<phillipsjk>R2r if you have the box laying around try it.
11:51<Guest609>it
11:51<R2r>no its important
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11:52<dan>are multiple ati cards not supported anymore?
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11:54<padski_>!knoppix
11:54<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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11:55<R2r>is there any small window manger like fluxbox on debain
11:55<padski_>R2r, many
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11:55<R2r>nma e em
11:55<R2r>ill e right back
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11:57<phillipsjk>I think the Initial ramdisk permenantly occupies 2MB of memory :(
11:57<padski_>R2r, debtags search x11::window-manager ; apt-cache show fluxbox
11:57<padski_>phillipsjk, huh ?
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11:58<padski_>phillipsjk, "kernel: Freeing initrd memory: 12526k freed"
11:58<dan>does debian now simply not support multiple ati cards? mergedFB is removed, and xrandr only supports a single gpu? this is for my work desktop, and if i can't fix it soon i'll have to go back to windows, because i need 4 monitors
11:58<phillipsjk>The total RAM reported by free is 2MB short.
11:58<padski_>dan, I need four monitors too :-)
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11:59<hanky>Uhm, can someone help me with a question? Almost everytime i set the clock in Debian the screen turns black.
11:59<padski_>phillipsjk, the kernel takes up some ?
11:59<dan>sounds silly i know, but that's how it is. xrandr crashes the x server if you try to get it to use 2 cards
11:59<padski_>R2r, debtags search x11::window-manager ; apt-cache show fluxbox
11:59<padski_>dan, sounds like a bug
11:59<weld>hi is there a known issue with Evolution 2.22.1 in testing? the calendar part of the window refreshed to slowly and the color of appointments spreads over the border on the left side.. any ideas?
12:00<R2r>i need any window manager that is small and simple
12:00<weld>*refreshes
12:00<R2r>also i need xfce for normal working
12:00<padski_>R2r, but not fluxbox ?
12:01<dan>paddski_ apparently xrandr 1.2 doesn't support multi-gpu... it'll be added in 1.3, and i can't see a release date for that anywhere
12:01<R2r>that will work as well
12:01<padski_>dan, will they be adding the "does not crash" feature at that time also ? ;-)
12:02<padski_>R2r, apt-get install fluxbox
12:02<dan>i bloody hope so
12:02<R2r>ok
12:02<padski_>dan, heh
12:02<dan>i don't see why mergedFB had to be removed, it had more features
12:02<dan>i can't see anyway to get my desktop working now
12:02<R2r>i need it from a network or an iso not the internet
12:03<dan>http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjI5OA
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12:03<R2r>its to damn slow
12:03<dan>"Ultimately, this should allow multiple GPUs to be merged into a single X screen. " xrandr 1.3
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12:03<padski_>R2r, fluxbox 0.9.14-1.2 is 772kB
12:04<R2r>wow
12:04<dan>i need it now though, and i don't know any other way to do it than mergedFB... which has been removed
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12:04<R2r> i didnt know that
12:04<padski_>"After unpacking 2396kB of additional disk space will be used"
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12:04<R2r>and etch has xfce as standard window manager
12:05<padski_>R2r, at 700+kB compressed fluxbox is a big wm.
12:05<phillipsjk>dan: I assume going back to the old version is out of the question?
12:05<padski_>R2r, don't understand " etch has xfce as standard window manager".
12:06<dan>it's possible, but that'll mean a day or more worth of lost work
12:07<dan>get ntfs write support etc set up
12:07<R2r>if i downlaod etch what window manager will it have
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12:08<dan>surely 4 monitors is supported in some way in lenny? if i go back to etch that'll mean staying on etch forever too
12:08<R2r>bye bye i have to go
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12:09<padski_>dan, if you don't mind me asking, why 4 monitors ?
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12:10<dan>i'm a senior software developer in an it company... it's been my setup for years
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12:10<dan>if it's a choice between 2 monitors and windows, i'll choose windows
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12:11<padski_>dan, so what size screens are we talking ?
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12:11<sworoc>hey, worst case scenario you could try ubuntu for temporary 4 monitor support
12:11<dan>3 1280x1024 and a 1024x768
12:11<sworoc>it's better than windows..... maybe
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12:11<dan>ubuntu has the same problem
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12:12<dan>the ati drivers simply removed mergedFB support and replaced it with something that doesn't have as many features
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12:12<padski_>dan, well I meant physically, but couldn't you just replace that with a nice 30" screen ?
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12:12<padski_>dan, or two ?
12:12<dan>well, i don't have any say in the budget or purchasing
12:13<phillipsjk>Ubuntu froums describe something called "bigdesktop" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773544
12:13<dan>the fglrx drivers that bigdesktop uses only support the latest ati cards
12:14<dan>mine are just behind the cutoff point
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12:14<dan>surely there is some way to configure lenny so that it has at least the features i used in etch?
12:14<dan>without necessitating a massive purchase?
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12:15<padski_>dan, so why not jus run etch ?
12:15<dan>it's looking that way... but if theres a way to configure it in lenny it'd be much easier
12:16<dan>it'll mean spending the next day or two getting etch up and running
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12:16<padski_>dan, hour or two ?
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12:17<dan>with ntfs write support, which isn't in etch... setting up all the programs i use, since i can't downgrade and they'll be lost, setting it up on the works domain
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12:18<dan>it's just a massive hassle, when surely there must be a way to do it without using etch forever?
12:19<sworoc>well, you can try to get it working using backports
12:19<sworoc>it may be kinda hit and miss though
12:19<dan>don't backports just go the other way?
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12:19<sworoc>alright, poor use of words
12:19<padski_>dan, I would think a backported or even etchand a half kernel would cover your FUSE needs
12:20<dan>no, i don't have much experience with this
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12:20<dan>yeah, padski_ i can get everything up and running by wiping my machine and starting again... isn't there some way to make lenny work though?
12:21<dan>sworoc, can i install the etch ati driver in lenny somewhow?
12:21<sworoc>you should be able to, it'll require some digging
12:21<phillipsjk>Dan did you try the ati open-source video driver?
12:21<sworoc>if you know the package name that's changed, which you do, you can figure out what's different
12:22<padski_>dan, perhaps you could try building the relevant etch packages on lenny.
12:22<dan>that's the one that's removed mergedFB padski_
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12:22<dan>ah, that's true... will dependancies not be an issue though?
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12:25<dan>i have to head off now
12:25<dan>thanks for the support
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12:25<padski_>dan, I would think you extremely lucky if you could forward port just the driver. more likely might be to take the whole xorg from etch, but that will be a world of pain, you would be better off with a backported kernel on etch.
12:25<padski_>heh, bye.
12:27<phillipsjk>I remeber reeding about binary blob audits in the kernel. could the ati radeon be one of the affected drivers?
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12:34<padski_>phillipsjk, dunno. radeon does turn up in that context, but that didn't seem to be the cause dan had pinpointed.
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12:41<weld>hi, i still have a problem with evolution 2.22.1 in debian testing: the calendar part does refresh too slowly and also the colors of each appointment spreads over the left border - both very annoying.. ;)
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12:43<phillipsjk>padski_, upon furter investigation, It appears that the kernel is using most of my "missing" memory. 126kb is still unaccounted for, but that may be explained by kernel decompression, then "freeing" of memory.
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12:45*phillipsjk wonders how much is reserved for DMA buffers
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12:47<padski_>phillipsjk, I've seen a fun tool for this ...
12:48<padski_>phillipsjk, slabtop
12:49<padski_>wonderful name too :-)
12:49<weld>.. when ever moving some other window over the evelution's calendar area it needs up to 20 seconds do be redrawn
12:50<padski_>weld, that is not healthy :-)
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12:51<petterson>hi
12:51<padski_>weld, last time I had a little peek into the evolution code ... I d'dn't bother looking at eveolution for several years. has it grown up ?
12:51<petterson>I am trying to install pgadmin3-1.8 at my debian etch/amd64
12:51<weld>padski_: don't know, as i'm using it first time ;)
12:52<petterson>I couldn't find any distro, so I'm compiling
12:52<petterson>anyone can help me with some issues?
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12:52<padski_>weld, last time I looked it did seem to be dramatically improved.
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12:54<weld>well i've asked in #evolution channel on irc.gimp.org and one said that cairo does the drawing.. so maybe there's the problem?
12:54<padski_>petterson, its at 1.4.3-2 in etch and 1.4.3-2.1 in lenny/sid
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12:55<padski_>weld, dunno, but cairo is supposed to be good.
12:56<phillipsjk>Oh, BTW "free" uses kibi octets, the man page describes the units only as "kilobytes"
12:56<petterson>it is not possible to install 1.8?
12:58<padski_>petterson, was it better ?
12:58<petterson>Is it 1.4 compatible with pgsql 8.3?
12:58<petterson>I have read somewhere that it is not
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12:59<themill>!dbugs 411575
13:00<padski_>phillipsjk, I expect the si will catch up with them eventually ;-)
13:00<dpkg>#411575:W[pgadmin3] New version available; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:42:06 UTC
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13:03<petterson>I get an error when I connect to a database (column op.oprlsort ...) and the back/restore is disabled
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13:08<zepard>hi all
13:08<petterson>hi zepard
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13:10<zepard>any idea to use intel speedstep on my debian sid laptop (dell inspiron 1150) without overheating (fan works average temp: 62°c)
13:10<zepard>I am trying to use cpufreqd but donno if its the solution?
13:10<zepard>and how to use it at least
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13:14<zepard>actually speedstep is disabled on BIOS and temp is 52°c
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13:14<zepard>speedstep is for throttling yes? so my cpu is working at high speed right now? do i need speedstep?
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13:18<phillipsjk>zepard, obivously, fixing it is more critical if you are runnig on battery power.
13:18<phillipsjk>!ACPI
13:18<dpkg>it has been said that acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see ...
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13:20<Geru>Hi
13:20<Geru>I have some problemas with alsa-driver, somebody can help me?
13:20<phillipsjk>!asla-checlist
13:20<phillipsjk>!alsa-checlist
13:20<phillipsjk>!alsa-checklist
13:21<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.
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13:21<zepard>phillipsjk, hum, but even on ac power is over heating so no reason to get it work on battery and may be I should check if my cpu runs on min frequebci
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13:21<erKURITA>I preffer another program
13:21<erKURITA>!aumix
13:21<dpkg>well, aumix is a Simple text-based mixer control program, or a console based mixer
13:21<erKURITA>it works much better
13:21<erKURITA>but you must execute it right after a fresh installation
13:21<erKURITA>it tends not to work properly when you get Xserver rolling
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13:24<Geru>I was upgraded my dist, with aptitude dist-upgrade and then, I reboot, but the sound wasnt run, I did alsaconf and it print the following:
13:24<Geru>Running update-modules...
13:24<Geru>Loading driver...
13:24<Geru>WARNING: Error inserting snd_hda_codec (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
13:24<Geru>WARNING: Error inserting snd_hda_codec (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
13:24<Geru>FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
13:24<Geru>FATAL: Error running install command for snd_hda_intel
13:24<Geru>Setting default volumes...
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13:25<themill>!tell Geru about paste
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14:09<Snurglewozzle>Excuse, I've configured a system and I want to keep a backup of it. I mean, can I do something in order to be able to set it back without configuring everything again?
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14:11<Nemoder>Snurglewozzle: I use rsnapshot to make complete system backups to another HD
14:11<Snurglewozzle>cool
14:12<sworoc>I suggest rsnapshot as well
14:12<Snurglewozzle>does it work with any device?
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14:12<Snurglewozzle>a cd?
14:12<Snurglewozzle>sorry, I'll check it by myself :)
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14:12<sworoc>if you're only writing once
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14:13<sworoc>then it should be a straightforward copy for you
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14:13<sworoc>otherwise i suppose it *should* work on a cd-rw
14:14<Snurglewozzle>I always wondered if a brutal dd would work
14:14<Nemoder>you would probably want another utility to split the data into multiple ISOs for burning, I doubt it would all fit on a single cd/dvd
14:15<Nemoder>unless you are really selective about the files you backup
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14:15<Snurglewozzle>there are only some network configuration
14:17<Snurglewozzle> I don't even need to keep it updated
14:17<Nemoder>rsnapshot is more useful for regular backups, you can probably get away with just copying all the files you need
14:18<Snurglewozzle>I mean, I need to copy the system to another HD, if the first one get broken I need to plug the second one in order to have something working instantky
14:18<Snurglewozzle>I wont have time to install everything again
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14:20<Snurglewozzle>It is possible to hard copy the content of an hd to another?
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14:20<Snurglewozzle>shall I use dd?
14:20<Nemoder>should work
14:21<Snurglewozzle>even for the boot partitio?
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14:40<mattymonkey>Can anyone help debug a sendmail issue?
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14:41<abner>sdf
14:41<abner>sdf
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14:41<mattymonkey>I am wondering why my smtp server is refusing my connections
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14:42<gord>I'm attempting to compile alsa 1.0.16 under etch, and I'm getting an error on ./configure: "The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist."
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14:43<mattymonkey>gord: I am an amateur but, do you have the header files installed?
14:43<mattymonkey>I think its a package called linux-headers or something
14:43<mattymonkey>maybe an apt-get install linux-headers
14:43<mattymonkey>?>
14:43<gord>yes, it is installed
14:43<simonrvn>seems you're missing glibc headers...
14:43<simonrvn>!b-e gord
14:43<dpkg>gord: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.
14:43<mattymonkey>nice
14:44<gord>I have build essential installed, I forgot to do a install for linux-headers-`uname -r`
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14:44<gord>I'll see if this helps
14:45<gord>indeed, the config completed, thanks
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14:46<mattymonkey>its nice when stuff works
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14:50<sworoc>stuff always works, just never the way we want it to :)
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14:52<erKURITA>gord uh
14:52<erKURITA>question: did you symlink your headers to /usr/src/linux ?
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14:53<gord>erKURITA, I had no headers
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14:54<mattymonkey>anyone have some good sources for sendmail relaying threw mailertable and smtp?
14:54<erKURITA>ah
14:54<Zelta>is this the support channel for DebraOS?
14:55<erKURITA>Zelta, what's the name of the channel?
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14:55<Zelta>i don't know?
14:56<erKURITA>you didn't even read the topic?
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14:56<Loqqamid>Does any one have any experience of Relakks services?
14:56<Zelta>topic...?
14:56<Zelta>what topic are you guys discussing?
14:57<erKURITA>*sigh*
14:57<Loqqamid>encrypted vpn tunnel from home
14:57<erKURITA>you've never used IRC, right?
14:57<Loqqamid>me?
14:57<erKURITA>no, Zelta
14:57<Loqqamid>ok
14:57<Zelta>I am to understand IRC is some IM platform or something, right?
14:57<kriston>How do I fix corrupted Xcursors in Debian Etch using fglrx and radeon drivers?
14:58<erKURITA>sort of yes but no
14:58<Zelta>ok
14:59<Zelta>kind of like an IM with many people
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15:00<bcochofel>How acn I change my console font so it supports iso-latin1 chars?
15:00<bcochofel>*can
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15:02<wamtty>I downloaded the live install for Debain. It downloads the needed files and errors. I cant see where its hanging up so i cant bypass. Recomend a better flavor that installs from live cd?
15:02<wamtty>Installation encounted error. thats it. Its the part that installs the GUI i assume.
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15:02<wamtty>i wanted somthing that would let me select the packages.
15:03<erKURITA>err, liveCD ?
15:04<erKURITA>I don't recall any official Debian LiveCD
15:04<Technofrood>What user do startup scripts run under?
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15:04<erKURITA>you mean the /etc/init.d/ ones?
15:04<Technofrood>yeah
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15:04<erKURITA>root, or init
15:04<Technofrood>I need to run sometihng as root
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15:05<erKURITA>which are the same
15:05<erKURITA>(truth be told, init is the root process, so yeah...)
15:05<Technofrood>Ok
15:05<waozle>Hello, does anybody have problems with mysql server 5.0 package, while installing
15:05<Technofrood>must havwe messed something ewlse up
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15:05<waozle>while installing in the last vanilla debian it freezes Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
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15:11<Technofrood>can you get X to run a script on start up before a login as root?
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15:12<erKURITA>yes, put it in .xinit or xinitrc, I can't recall which one is it
15:12<erKURITA>!.xinit
15:12<erKURITA>!.xinitrc
15:12<dpkg>i heard .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1)
15:12<erKURITA>the latter
15:12<erKURITA>ah, damn it
15:12<erKURITA>xsession
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15:16<kriston>How do I fix corrupted Xcursors in Debian Etch using fglrx and radeon drivers?
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15:18<waozle>that's absurd
15:18<waozle>I can't even uninstall it, it still freezing while trying to stop it
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15:19<erKURITA>waozle try doing it from single-user mode
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15:21<waozle>How is it possible ? I've been using debian for 5 years and such a stupid thing never happened in a stable
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15:22<erKURITA>it doesn't hurt to try, right? Or you can try executing the commands the /etc/init.d/ executes manually
15:22<erKURITA>and see what's the output
15:22<waozle>it works by init.d
15:23<erKURITA>chances are the package got corrupted?
15:23<waozle>I can't logout because I'm sshing
15:23<waozle>they're from etch
15:23<erKURITA>the one that controls the (un)installation
15:24<waozle>I try to refetch them
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15:25<waozle>What was the temp directory?
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15:25<erKURITA>/var/cache/apt/
15:25<erKURITA>I think partial too
15:25<waozle>thanks.
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15:25<Zelta>what's better, debian or opensolaris?
15:26<erKURITA>depends, do you know OpenSolaris?
15:26<Zelta>yes, ian murdock is an important figure in both, though
15:26<erKURITA>know as in using it
15:27<Zelta>no
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15:27<erKURITA>then you better stick with debian until you learn how to properly use OpenSolaris
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15:28<waozle>Nothing
15:28<waozle>Whatever it tries to confgure mysql-server-5
15:28<waozle>n if im trying to install the 4
15:28<erKURITA>off I go for a bit, brb
15:28<waozle>whatever I do
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15:40<waozle1>hello, excuse me, I've tried to install mysql, but it didn't work. How can I remove the package and the error that occurs with apt
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15:48<Nilo>oi
15:49<Nilo>como vai galera
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15:51<knoppix_>ls
15:51<knoppix_>ll
15:51<knoppix_>hi
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15:53<Zelta_>hello, excuse me, I've tried to install mysql, but it didn't work. How can I remove the package and the error that occurs with apt
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15:55<Frolic>Zelta, aptitude --purge mysql-server
15:55<paistis>Zelta_: apt-get remove
15:56<Zelta_>anyone have some good sources for sendmail relaying threw mailertable and smtp?
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16:03<ptr>Where should I ask a beginner question about packaging?
16:03<sworoc>here is fine
16:03<jitendra_>any apt developers here?
16:04<ptr>cool, thanks. How do I specify a compiler version to debuild? Or do I need to add a 'CC=' to debian/rules
16:04<Zelta>where can I find bl4de?
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16:05<sworoc>okay, that question can be answered in #debian-mentors
16:05<ptr>my thanks
16:05<sworoc>the reason i said ask it here is i thought i might be able to help
16:05<ptr>:) thanks anyway. I'll head over there.
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16:12<russians>hi all
16:12<russians>:)
16:12<makke>!ru
16:12<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
16:13<makke>but your welcome to talk english here :)
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16:19<russians>okey))) but i may speak on english too)) smally bad but...
16:19<russians>)
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16:25<wamtty>as to my problem with Debain, when i loaded the Live CD, with the prompt :BOOT\ comes up you can use the command 'rescuegui' and it uses a GUI installer that seems to give more options that the non-gui. Just some Info for those intrested
16:26<wamtty>2 days, 9 hours, 7 minutes
16:26<wamtty>is this serious?
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16:28<wamtty>the file is so small and the kbs starts out at 0.0 that it gives a false ETA.. thats my opinion
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17:06<Double>hey do you guys know how to manually exit a program
17:06<Double>?
17:07<Double>my firefox is stuck in not responding mode
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17:07<sworoc>Ctrl + Alt + Esc ?
17:07<Gathond>Double: usually by using whatever method the program uses
17:07<dondelelcaro>Double: send it a sigterm or similar.
17:07<cahoot>pkill firefox?
17:07<Double>sorry i am a nube so whats's a sigterm?
17:07<Gathond>Double: if that fails use kill or some other tool for sending signals to processes
17:07<Gathond>or whatever process viewer your desktop system used
17:07<dondelelcaro>Double: it's a signal; man kill; for details
17:08<sworoc>!kill
17:08<Double>allright i'll check that out
17:08<stroyan>Double: Alt-F4 is pretty universal for closing the program that the mouse is over.
17:08<dondelelcaro>save when it's not
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17:09<witte>stroyan: does not work in windowmaker...
17:09<Laeborg>how can i change /dev/dsp1 to /dev/dsp ? /dev/dsp already exist
17:09<Double>no the thing is it is not showing in the taskbar but whenever i open firefox or iceweasel it says that cannot open it has to close the previous not responding one to open a new one
17:09<cahoot>Double: leftover lockfile?
17:10<Double>no idea what a lock file is
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17:10<dondelelcaro>Double: because there is still an instance of firefox running
17:10<dondelelcaro>Double: pkill -9 -f firefox; or similar.
17:10<Double>yeah
17:10<Gathond>Double: a file used to keep track of locks, in the case of firefox to ensure only one instance runs using the same configuration directory
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17:11<Gathond>it might be leftover because a. firefox still runs or b. firefox crashed and did not manage to remove it
17:11<cahoot>Double: might be found in $HOME/.mozille/firefox/..
17:11<dondelelcaro>firefox does not use lockfiles like that
17:11<Double>k
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17:12<dondelelcaro>and in any event, the lock won't be valid after firefox dies anyway
17:12<Gathond>dondelelcaro: true, but I'm unsure whether that still prevents it from starting (or presenting a popup)
17:12<Double>thanks donde carlo the pkill -9 -f worked
17:13<Gathond>It's been ages since I really used it, so you are probably right
17:13<Double>thanks you other guys too
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17:14<dondelelcaro>Gathond: no, it doesn't; the flock() (or whatever it's actually using) dies with the process. [That said, it does often die and keeps running]
17:14<ranix>no pkilling allowed in #debian
17:14<ranix>this is a friendly channel
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17:15<phillipsjk>ranix, the kill command can send "friendly" messages as well :P
17:15<sworoc>kill taxes ..... nope, didn't work
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17:17<phillipsjk>sworoc, you need to specify a pid (or am I taking this too far?)
17:17<sworoc>good call..... pkill texas
17:17<sworoc>there we go, solved that problem
17:17<sworoc>49 states to go
17:17<phillipsjk>heh
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17:19<bla>hello, i had to install libldap2 which removed debian-archive-keyring
17:19<donfede>hello, I see the mantis package was in sarge (oldstable) , and is in lenny (testing) , but not in current etch (stable) ... how can I find out "why" ? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mantis&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
17:19<bla>what should i do?
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17:22<witte>bla: can you install debian-archive-keyring after the libldap2 package is installed?
17:22<witte>bla: or will that be removed?
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17:23<bla>i did just now
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17:23<bla>it deleted apt-get
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17:24<bla>so i download packages and install them with dpkg
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17:24<witte>bla: what debian system are you running?
17:24<bla>etch
17:25<bla>i managed to install apt
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17:25<bla>hopefully it will work from here
17:27<bla>ok all this started cause of apache
17:27<witte>bla: etch? and you did not do anything special
17:27<bla>and i still got the problem
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17:27<witte>bla: the things you are telling just do not make sence
17:27<bla>yeah sorry
17:27<bla>i installed some program, with dependencies
17:28<witte>bla: did you install packages from other sources? do you have a mixed system, did you install crucial stuff from source...
17:28<bla>and then for some reason php5 didnt work
17:28<bla>just stoped by itself
17:28<phillipsjk>donfede, could have border line popularity I guess.
17:28<bla>now my problem is, that apache doesnt process php files
17:28<bla>it just let u download them
17:28<bla>i dont have mixed system as far as i know
17:29<witte>bla: and everything you install using apt? or did you also download programs and install them from source?
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17:29<donfede>phillipsjk: "it looks like it was 'abandoned' ... and stuck at 0.19 for a while ... then someone picked it up. Unfortunately, I was using it before, just did an etch upgrade, and now with etch (and mysql5) it takes a dump... http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=6394
17:29<bla>everything through apt
17:29<bla>everything worked fine today
17:30<bla>until i installed that program
17:30<bla>and since then apache2 dont process the files
17:30<witte>bla: which program?
17:30<bla>now apache looks like it recognize php
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17:30<donfede>phillipsjk: I'm trying now to backport from the lenny version to etch ... package build was a piece of cake (php, so no compile :-D) ... however I see it will install apache2-mpm-prefork [I already have apache 1.3 installed and running]
17:30<bla>rtorrent
17:31<bla>i really didnt understand why it happened
17:31<bla>is there a way to go back with all installation?
17:31<witte>bla: me neither: rtorrent shouldn't conflict with apache or php
17:31<donfede>here goes ...
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17:32<bla>yeah its first time happening to me
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17:33<bla>anyways php5 and apache2 now installed
17:33<bla>using aptget
17:33<jack_____>hi guys i am a nube and want to know how to use ffmpeg to convert a flv to a mp4
17:33<witte>bla: did you install libapache2-mod-php5?
17:33<bla>the thing is, that it still let me download the files
17:33<bla>let me se
17:34<bla>libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version.
17:34<jack_____>guys?
17:34<sworoc>do you have it configured to use it?
17:34<witte>bla: and did you do a2enmod php5
17:34<jack_____>what do you mean sworoc?
17:34<phillipsjk>donfede, the (two frame) animated desktop fish (xfishtank) is more popular (at ~800 submitters): http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=mantis
17:34<sworoc>sorry jack, that was to bla
17:34<jack_____>ioh
17:34<bla>This module is already enabled!
17:34<sworoc>hold on
17:35<sworoc>jack____: have you googled for a guide yet?
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17:35<jack_____>i read the man but it was a little lot of advice
17:35<donfede>phillipsjk: :-P ... but mantis helps fix bugs ;)
17:35<witte>bla: ok, try to restart the apache2 server
17:35<jack_____><sworoc?
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17:36<bla>restarted and still the same
17:36<bla>let me download the php files :/
17:36<sworoc>jack: http://www.wikihow.com/Convert-a-Flash-Video-File-(.flv)-to-MP4-with-FFMpeg
17:36<jack_____>o
17:36<jack_____>k
17:36<sworoc>HTH
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17:37<bla>any ideas?
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17:38<bla>Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch11 on apache 404 error
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17:40<witte>bla: your server works with html?
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17:43<Lui_G>hi
17:43<bla>html works yes
17:43<bla>also, now i noticed
17:43<bla>internal pages are white
17:44<bla>only first page want to be downloaded
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17:46<witte>bla: have a look in /var/log/apache2/* and try to debug from there
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17:47<bla>will do
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17:48<bla>thanks witte, made it work :)
17:48<witte>bla: what was it?
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17:50<bla>im still not sure
17:50<bla>i just did --purge to everything
17:50<bla>and reinstalled
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17:50<bla>apache2, php5, commons, etc
17:50<witte>bla: ok, if you did not have anything special installed, that is probably best thing you could do :-)
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17:59<bastian>Ich habe eine Frage zur Erstellung von Debian-Paketen. Ich baue grade ein "testpaket". Wenn ich in debian/rules im configure-Bereich 'CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" ./configure ... --prefix=/usr...' setze wird das Paket mit dpkg-buildpackage vernünftig gebaut. Allerdings liegt /etc/<paketname> dann unterhalb von /usr. Setze ich zusätzlich '--sysconfdir=/etc' in der Datei debian/rules landen die etc-Dateien nicht mehr im Paket, da sie bei make install direkt unter /
17:59<bastian>etc landen, statt unter debian/<packetname>/etc. Jemd. eine Idee / einen Tip für mich?
17:59<witte>!de
17:59<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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18:05<Laeborg>Is it possible to connect via a VPN in debian?
18:05<Sindacious>-Alchy|Telnet- VERSION Microsoft Telnet, bu t don't tell anyone :P
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18:07<Laeborg>!vpn
18:07<dpkg>rumour has it, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or at http://openvpn.net/
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18:08<witte>the first link in that factoid does not work anymore
18:09<chealer>Laeborg: yes
18:09<Laeborg>how?
18:09<themill>Laeborg: yes, but the instructions vary from vpn to vpn
18:09<Laeborg>where to set it up?
18:10<Laeborg>i have all informations about the VPN, that I need, but can't find where to set it up
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18:10<themill>Laeborg: can you tell us what type of vpn? pptp? openvpn? cisco?
18:11<Laeborg>pptp
18:11<themill>etch?
18:11<Laeborg>yup
18:11<themill>urgh
18:12<themill>Laeborg: This is one approach: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml
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18:13<Laeborg>will take a look at it. thanks
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18:13<themill>Laeborg: There's also a network-manager-pptp package floating around for etch that will allow you to do it from NetworkManager.
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18:14<Laeborg>okay, where can I find that?
18:14<themill>Laeborg: I'm searching for it... I have it installed but I can't recall where I grabbed it from :( It's not in etch, but is in lenny.
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18:15<Laeborg>i find this: http://poptop.sourceforge.net/dox/debian-howto.phtml
18:16<Laeborg>oh it was a pptp server
18:16<themill>Laeborg: I think it was this package that worked with etch in the end. But as I have no way of knowing and it's not designed for debian, I can hardly recommend you use it. http://www.wlug.org.nz/~crb/nm/edgy/
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18:17<eheil>hey, anyone of you know the status for Sparc in Lenny?
18:17<bla>once again problems, this time on apt-get install libc6-dev g++
18:17<Laeborg>okay themill
18:18<bla>i get the following error libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5) but 2.7-11 is to be installed
18:18<bla>what should i do?
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18:18<themill>bla: stop trying to mix etch and lenny
18:18<witte>eheil: i guess it should work, but probably it will depend a bit on your hardware
18:18<bla>i didnt mix anything
18:19<bla>i left the sources default
18:19<bla>etch main
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18:19<bla>any way to overcome this problem?
18:19<themill>bla: I can guarantee that is not the case.
18:19<eheil>witte: ahh, ok. Well, its going to be dropped in Lenny so was wondering what I can do as far as getting a supported distro on Sparc64. sure its opensolaris, but that's nothing at all like Debian or derivites.
18:19<witte>bla: upload your /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin
18:19<bla>sure
18:20<themill>bla: also, what is the output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
18:20<witte>eheil: ah, ok i thought you were talking about sparc64
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18:20<witte>eheil: sorry, don't know about the 32 bit port
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18:21<witte>eheil: which box do you have (must be quite old to still have 32 bit on sun)
18:21<eheil>witte: sure, I'm taling about the sparc64 port. b/c I ahve a number of Ultra 2 based machines here.
18:21<bla>http://pastebin.ca/1016328
18:21<witte>eheil: my ultra2 runs sparc64 ok (well it used to, but now it doesn't, but that is my fault, i just need time to fix it :P)
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18:22<eheil>witte: LOL. what's wrong with it?
18:22<witte>eheil: it wont boot 2.6.24 kernel, but it works fine in a chroot
18:22<bla>ii libc6 2.7-11
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18:23<witte>eheil: need to figure out the boot process of these sun things to get it working...
18:23<themill>bla: is this a fresh installation? From what did you install?
18:23<bla>its fresh installation
18:24<witte>bla: not from a testing netinstall i hope?
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18:24<bla>i didnt install it myself
18:24<amigri>help
18:24<eheil>ahh, back.
18:24<bla>its dedicated
18:24<bla>dedicated server
18:24<witte> eheil: need to figure out the boot process of these sun things to get it working...
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18:25<themill>bla: well... they've given you what looks like a lenny installation, but with etch in the sources.list :(
18:26<bla>they told me its etch 4
18:26<bla>how can i check?
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18:26<themill>bla: cat /etc/debian_version ; but that version of libc6 is lenny not etch
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18:27<erKURITA>etch 4?
18:27<erKURITA>etch is version 4.0, currently at r2, maybe 3
18:27<bla>just says 4.0
18:27<erKURITA>etch is a codename
18:27<bla>anything i can do to degrade it?
18:28<erKURITA>to sarge?
18:28<erKURITA>are you that desperate
18:28<erKURITA>?
18:28<bla>i mean the libc
18:28<erKURITA>ah
18:28<erKURITA>download an old package and manually install it
18:28<bla>as removing it means removing apt
18:28<erKURITA>ah, yes
18:28<bla>will it work?
18:28<themill>bla: You probably have a pretty odd mix of etch and lenny there :(
18:29<bla>just install old package?
18:29<erKURITA>maybe not. You may have to re-install the whole thing
18:29<bla>oh cra
18:29<bla>p
18:29<erKURITA>because everything goes around libc6
18:29<erKURITA>or most of the programs
18:29<themill>bla: there are probably many other packages too.... e.g. what version do you get for dpkg -l coreutils
18:30<bla>coreutils 5.97-5.3
18:30<themill>that's etch... so it might not be too bad
18:31<bla>so do delete libc? and install manually stuff?
18:31<themill>No!
18:31<bla>or what other options i got
18:31<erKURITA>it won't let you anyway
18:31<themill>bla: I'd ask your server provider why they have done the installation like that.
18:31<erKURITA>off I go, later
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18:32<bla>will ask them
18:32<bla>it might be only libc?
18:32<bla>for some reason?
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18:33<themill>bla: if you're lucky, yes. And that won't be too hard to correct.
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18:33<bla>any way to check except going one by one?
18:34<bla>also can i just upgrade to lenny?
18:34<bla>or its really unstable?
18:34<themill>bla: if this is a server, you probably don't want to be using lenny.
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18:34<chealer>bla: yes (apt-show-versions)
18:35<themill>chealer: does it? I've never managed to get anything sensible out of it
18:36<bla>from what i see everything is etch
18:36<chealer>well actually apt-show-versions will show you one by one but it will show you the distribution directly
18:36<themill>chealer: apt-show-versions tries to tell me my etch+backports machine is upgradable to sid :S
18:37<chealer>themill: what do you mean?
18:38<bla>yes i see i passed through the list
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18:38<bla>and libc6 is the only one pretty much without /etch
18:38<themill>chealer: apt-show-versions tells me that I have 1591 packages that are upgradable to sid when my machine is etch with some selected backports.
18:38<themill>bla: you could apt-show-versions | grep -v etch
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18:39<chealer>themill: well, yeah, if you have sid sources
18:39<chealer>themill: it's far from perfect
18:40<themill>chealer: yes, with appropriate pinning. It just doesn't seem to do a very good job at all :(
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18:40<bla>about 20 i see there
18:41<themill>!list repositories
18:41<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /*\*\*/ {OFS="t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'
18:41<themill>chealer: ^^ the awk monstrosity is what I normally use...
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18:42<bla>any way to recover those to etch?
18:42<bla>but im sure tcl and openssl which are on that list
18:42<bla>were installed from the etch sources.list
18:42<chealer>themill: I use it to determine which packages are from some suite, piping to grep as you suggested
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18:45<themill>chealer: actually... there are some backslashes missing in that awk. Bloody dpkgbot... :(
18:45<phillipsjk>Maybe a case of needing \\\\?
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18:46<kevind23>I did something really stupid and now I broke ALSA >.< Basically it unloaded or removed (hopefully the prior) all the modules; how do I install them and/or load them so I can have sound?
18:46<peter_>#ubuntu-de
18:46<themill>phillipsjk: sometimes but not always. smells of bug :(
18:46<chealer>I don't use unofficial repositories enough to require such hacks :)
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18:47<chealer>bla: why are you sure?
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18:47<phillipsjk>!alsa-checklist
18:47<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.
18:48<themill>chealer: well apt-show-versions gets confused just by having etch/lenny/sid in your sources.list which is quite sensible if you have pinning. (And I find is necessary for helping out here to be able to look up package versions quickly)
18:48<kevind23>phillipsjk: No drivers found
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18:49<themill>kevind23: what's "lspci | grep -i audio" give you? use a pastebin if it's more than a line or two.
18:50<kevind23>00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
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18:50<chealer>themill: that's quite possible in etch. some bugs were reported, some fixed, some may remain
18:51<themill>kevind23: ahh.... can you do that again as: lspci -nn | grep -i audio
18:51<bla>chealer: as i got the sources.list this way and i installed those
18:51<kevind23>00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller [1106:3059] (rev 60)
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18:52<themill>kevind23: did you previously have sound working with that card?
18:52<chealer>bla: what does $ apt-cache policy openssl; output?
18:52<kevind23>yes, the-dude
18:52<kevind23>er
18:52<kevind23>themill:
18:53<chealer>kevind23: what stupidity did you do, if it's not too hard to explain?
18:53<themill>kevind23: "modprobe snd_via82xx" should work for you
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18:53<kevind23>Decided I should drop my perfectly working sound driver in light of one from via's website
18:54<kevind23>FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko': No such file or directory
18:54<bla>openssl:
18:54<bla> Installed: 0.9.8c-4etch1
18:54<bla> Candidate: 0.9.8c-4etch1
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18:54<bla>i guess i will have to ask for reinstallation
18:54<bla>as apt-get tell me if i want to install g++
18:55<themill>bla: that's the correct etch package for openssl
18:55<bla>i need to delete like half of the system
18:55<bla>including that openssl
18:55<chealer>bla: please provide the output of apt-show-versions|grep -v etch
18:56<bla>http://pastebin.ca/1016369
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18:56<Laeborg>network-manager-pptp_0.6.4+pptp0.6.5-0crb1_i386.deb requires some package I already have installed, but them I have installed is not the correct version
18:57<themill>Laeborg: that was the risk and that was why I said I couldn't recommend it....
18:57<Laeborg>okay
18:57<themill>Laeborg: what packages?
18:58<chealer>bla: "openssl" is not the same binary package as libssl0.9.8. You must have installed openssl but not libssl0.9.8
18:58<kevind23>themill: It won't load that kernel module...
18:59<Laeborg>libbonobo2-0, libc6, libdbus-1-2 and libgtk2.0-0
18:59<chealer>bla: when did you obtain access to that system?
18:59<themill>kevind23: I saw that. It should. You've done some... umm... interesting things to your kernel.
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18:59<bla>today
18:59<kevind23>^^;
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19:00<kevind23>So uh, how do I go about fixing these 'interesting things'
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19:00<Laeborg>themill: libbonobo2-0, libc6, libdbus-1-2 and libgtk2.0-0
19:01<themill>Laeborg: it wants a different version of libc6? Bad. You've got no chance.
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19:03<gpm>hi all. i'm trying to grab some digital video from a camcorder (via firewire) with stock 2.6.25, but apparently the raw1394 module doesn't exist/has been replaced?!
19:03<Laeborg>i have version 2.3.6.dsl of libc6, but it wants 2.4-19
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19:03<Laeborg>2.4-1 *
19:04<Laeborg>pptp-linux also requires libc6 version 2.4-1
19:06<paulo>necessary to list archives in a directory, where all have the same former formation: file? .txt. I need to list all little file22.txt and file25.txt. how I can obtain the result?
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19:06<doub>hi there
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19:06<paulo>necessary to list archives in a directory, where all have the same former formation: file??.txt. I need to list all little file22.txt and file25.txt. how I can obtain the result?
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19:08<chealer>bla: you could try downgrading packages one by one, starting from dependants going towards required ones
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19:09<chealer>paulo: what is your native language?
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19:09<chealer>gpm: yes, it was more or less replaced
19:10<phillipsjk>kevind23, I would try looking at the documentation of that VIA installer. You are hoping the original files were saved somewhere.
19:10<paulo>chealer, portuguese
19:10<paulo>sorry my english
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19:12<kevind23>phillipsjk: supposing they aren't, it isn't that difficult to rebuild them, is it?
19:12<paulo>chealer, can you help-me?
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19:12<chealer>paulo: did you ask #debian-pt ?
19:12<chealer>I'll be back later
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19:12<paulo>yes...
19:12<paulo>ops;...
19:13<paulo>chealer, debia-pt?
19:13<phillipsjk>kevin I'm trying to find the command to find out what package "owns" a file. The installer you ran probably doesn't know about the package system.
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19:14<doub>phillipsjk: dlocate maybe? or dpkg -S
19:14<kevind23>Isn't it dpkg -l? At any rate, I'm sure it doesn't
19:14<doub>phillipsjk: the former being an "accelerated" version of the latter
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19:16<poiqwepoi>Hello all, I'm having problems with audio capture I tried with "rec" without ant success... I tried "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" to make sure that dsp is the right device and Celine dion comes out as expected
19:16<paulo>necessary of a command to list all inside the archives of a directory except file22.txt and file25.txt, all the archives have the same formation file??.txt somebody could help me?
19:16<poiqwepoi>any hint on what can be wrong... I get no sound at all with rec or other capture utilities (xvidcap)
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19:17<kevind23>If I reinstall my kernel it should put them back, hopefully...
19:17<doub>poiqwepoi: maybe your capture source isnt correctly set up
19:17<gpm>chealer: but none of the programs yet have caught up with the new firewire stack, correct?
19:17<poiqwepoi>paulo the archive is tar?
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19:18<gpm>i mean, dvgrab, kino, etc.
19:18<paulo>poiqwepoi, no...
19:18<poiqwepoi>doub any hint on how to verify^
19:18<paulo>.txt
19:18<doub>poiqwepoi: if your driver is alsa, then try alsamixer, if oss, maybe aumix
19:19<poiqwepoi>This is a fast one shot deal: ls -l |grep -v file22.txt |grep -v file25.txt
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19:19<poiqwepoi>paulo, might not be what you want
19:20<poiqwepoi>paulo it should do what you asked for... you can remove the '-l' from the command unless you want file detail
19:20<paulo>:) owwwwww poiqwepoi nice!!!!!
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19:21<paulo>thanks!!!! poiqwepoi !!!
19:21<poiqwepoi>no problemo paulo
19:21<kevind23>Mm, reinstalling the kernel worked
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19:22<doub>well well
19:22*doub wonders why web browsers need to be so bloated
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19:24<themill>!bloatsmite doub
19:24*dpkg removes doub from the channel as they are obviously superfluous and no-one would even use them. (Just remember that one person's bloat is another person's useful feature.)
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19:27*phillipsjk finally found the "dpkg -S" command in a round-about way.
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19:31<phillipsjk>I remember reading an article on windows bloat suggesting that is not always the case. IE: Images and icons never used by the program are included automaticly by the compiler.
19:32<phillipsjk>doub themill is on to something though. Browsers these days try to be all things to all people.
19:34<phillipsjk>...because there are an increasing number of thing browsers are expected to do: from system administration to accounting. /rant
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19:38<doub>phillipsjk: yeah, I agree. But alas they're only displaying html, i'm fine with it. after all, the base of web apps is that all the computation is done on the server
19:39<doub>phillipsjk: but that doesn't prevent web browsers from being utterly bloated
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19:41<doub>i guess the former browser war (think m$ against netscape) has something to do with it
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19:43<phillipsjk>doub most browsers do more than "display html". The whole "web 2.0" thing relies on client-side scripting.
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19:45<simonrvn>the html is rendered client-side too, regardless of source of that html, dynamic or otherwise
19:46*phillipsjk was going to object but realised HTML used the DOM since 4.0
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19:47<doub>phillipsjk: i must admit i don't quite know what's behind "web 2.0" except maybe a foolish marketing concept
19:48<simonrvn>think standards compliance + fancy JS UI stuff
19:49<simonrvn>also establishing some common coding practices... i could do without the fancy js, but i admit to finding *some* of it useful
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19:49<phillipsjk>google maps convinced me client-side scripting could be useful. I still don't like it.
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19:50<doub>simonrvn: same for me. but the problem is, except when using tools like greasemonkey (i've been told it's not that easy), you can't selectively enable JS
19:50<simonrvn>no, it's an all or nothing deal
19:50<simonrvn>[X]/[ ] Enable JavaScript
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19:51<doub>well, there's a f***ing trouble with web design practices these days
19:51<phillipsjk>I think Web2.0 is the moderm version of telnet :P
19:51<simonrvn>hehe
19:51<simonrvn>http-based vs. term-based
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19:52<doub>if you have say, JS and Flash (or Gnash for that matter) activated, go to any "web 2.0" web site, your dual box 4GHz is going irresponsive
19:52<doub>s/box/core/
19:53<Ikarus>the problem with that configuration is flash mainly
19:53<simonrvn>flash is cpu-intensive...
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19:54<doub>simonrvn: for sure
19:54<Ikarus>flash is also memory leaky
19:55<chealer>paulo: #debian-pt, it's a portuguese IRC channel
19:56<doub>there should be some sort of <video> thing in HTML, cos flash is mostly used for that purpose (and cpu-hogging ads)
19:57<simonrvn>disable/uninstall the plugin, or use a flash/ad blocker
19:58<doub>simonrvn: yep, but still no cigar : how to watch videos then?
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19:58<phillipsjk>doubt: specific tags like that have been deperciated in favor of the "object" tag. If there is a <video> tag, IT would be used for CPU-(or bandwith) hogging ads.
19:58<simonrvn>youtube-dl ;)
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19:59<doub>phillipsjk: that doesn't change much from the user point of view: you can still filter what your browser will render
20:00*phillipsjk points to #debian-offtopic
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20:00*doub agrees
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20:02<doub>phillipsjk: the trouble with that sort of gate between what's on and off topic is like smoking/not smoking in restaurants: everybody gets to the smoking part cos there sure will be at least 1 smoker in the group ;)
20:02<phillipsjk>heh
20:03<phillipsjk>Well, rE: your last point: ANY medium that can carry useful information can also carry advertising.
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20:04<doub>for sure
20:05<knoppix_>hi
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20:05<Guest665>ok
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20:09<Rydia>hi
20:09<Rydia>i'm running windows at the moment, and want to install debian onto this laptop
20:10<Rydia>lacking a cd/dvd drive , working floppy drive and only with network access i'm kinda stuck
20:10<Rydia>the net installer does not seem to detect my pcmcia ethernet card at all
20:10<Guest665>whos there
20:10<Rydia>it is supposedly rtl8139c compatible
20:10<doub>Rydia: i've been told there's a windows based installer these days
20:10<Rydia>compaq HNE-300 10/100mbit ethernet adapter
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20:11<Rydia>doub - well that's what i have used
20:11<Rydia>The laptop is a Compaq Presario 1277 - k6-2 433MHz CPU, 192mb RAM, 9gb hd (1.2gb free)
20:12<doub>Rydia: you can go for the HD install method, see install guide
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20:12<phillipsjk>Rydia: boot-floppies!
20:13<Rydia>the installer does boot, it just fails to detect my ethernet, hence not making it possible to install
20:13<Rydia>cd and floppy installs are impossible as both drives are broken, and this laptop's warranty has long been expired/voided
20:14<Rydia>trident cyberblade 3d i7 has no 3d accelleration support in linux too so i'd probably do only 2d stuff
20:15<doub>Rydia: i guess you'll need some black magic to get that working then
20:15<Rydia>and some summon magic too
20:16<doub>Rydia: the hd install seems most indicated for you, but the trouble is getting the whole thing to boot
20:16*phillipsjk checks for a USB installer
20:16<witte>Rydia: try to use a installer with a newer kernel
20:16<doub>phillipsjk: there's one, but i guess something as old as a k6-2 won't have usb boot support
20:16<witte>!kmuto
20:16<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
20:17<Rydia>i don't have any usb memcards or drives anyway
20:17<Rydia>witte - should I try the installer with the unstable option?
20:17<Rydia>also what's the best window system for 192mb ram
20:17-!-dendrite [~ph@dsl092-150-203.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #debian
20:17<Rydia>i know i can't gnome or kde this thing
20:17<doub>Rydia: fluxbox is great
20:17<witte>Rydia: no need for that, use the kmuto installer if possible
20:18<witte>Rydia: i use windowmaker, which is also lightweight, but there are numerous others
20:18<doub>!start a wm war
20:18<dpkg>enlightenment blows!
20:19<witte>Rydia: http://xwinman.org/
20:19<Rydia>i'm very familiar with kde so i'd probably want the lightest closest thing to kde
20:19<Rydia>eye candy is not priority
20:19<Rydia>i'm unfamiliar with lightweight window systems
20:20-!-dvs [~colin@cwv.teksavvy.com] has joined #debian
20:20<Rydia>i'd also want to be able to have a very small 1.2gb install
20:20<Rydia>or less
20:20<Rydia>witte - how would i be able to use kmuto installer? it seems to be an image file
20:21<Rydia>unetbootin?
20:21<witte>Rydia: probably you want to use xfce4 for wm
20:21<phillipsjk>Rydia: did you try cleaning the CD drive?
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20:22<Rydia>phillipsjk - it's not a mechanical problem - the drive is plugged, wires seem to be OK, drive device exists - it just does not respond to anything
20:22<witte>Rydia: can't you add a drive for a while (exterrnal)
20:22<Rydia>it spins briefly after insert, but stops
20:22<Rydia>and nothing's read
20:22<Rydia>it's had this issue since 2003
20:23<phillipsjk>Rydia, That could be dirt.
20:23<doub>Rydia: maybe you can netboot from another computer
20:23<witte>Rydia: if you have an enclosure for a harddisk and a cdrom disk, it should be fairly easy to get it to work (if you can get it to boot from usb drives)
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20:23<phillipsjk>I'm assuming the lens is buried deep in the drive though :P
20:23<doub>Rydia: the trouble is to get a kernel that sees your nic
20:24<Rydia>yeah and that's the part i'm really stuck on
20:24<Rydia>guess i'll try the unstable in the windows installer
20:24<Rydia>if that has any better support for it
20:24<Rydia>brb
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20:25<chantanito>hi
20:26<chantanito>i'm using lenny amd64 and i'm trying to install splashy but get some weird behavior....
20:27<chantanito>once installed splashy package and reboot my gdm disappears...
20:27<chantanito>and splashy doesn't work of course..
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20:30<Rydia>well that unstable install hangs after initrd
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20:33<Rydia>in a completely unrelated? issue but i'll mention it anyway unetbootin doesn't really boot what it wants, it just attacks the floppy drive instead, so i doubt i can use that for installing debian
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20:34<Laeborg>hi
20:34<alphad>hi
20:35<Laeborg>how do I connect to the ethernet via a PPTP service ?
20:35<Guest665>its easy
20:35<Guest665>but hard to explain
20:35<Laeborg>how?
20:35<Laeborg>okay :(
20:36<Laeborg>I want to use the VPN service called 'Relakks'
20:36<Guest665>ok
20:36<Laeborg>But they only have guides to XP, Vista and OSX
20:37<Guest665>and ...
20:37<Guest665>you can you use vpn in linux
20:37-!-tehk [~tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #debian
20:37<Guest665>linux is easier than xp
20:37<Laeborg>okay, do I need to install anything?
20:38<Guest665>what kind if linux you have
20:38<Guest665>fedora
20:38<Guest665>red ha
20:38<Laeborg>debian
20:38<Guest665>puppy
20:38<Laeborg>debian etch
20:39<Guest665>ohh
20:39<Guest665>man
20:39<Guest665>you can use opensuse
20:39<Guest665>or fedora
20:39<Guest665>red hat is better
20:39<Laeborg>i had tried openSUSE and i didn't like it
20:39<Guest665>red hat is good for servers
20:39-!-habtool [~clive@86-41-88-45.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
20:39<Guest665>and networks
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20:40*gravity blinks
20:41<Ikarus>...
20:41<Lat>lol?
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20:41<Ikarus>someone get out the troll gujn
20:41<Ikarus>-j
20:42<Rydia>windows is good for
20:42<Rydia>a bullet belt
20:42<Rydia>to discharge onto
20:42<Ikarus>Rydia: it is good if you won't have a chance to mind wipe your users
20:43*Rydia wants to use something more modern than win98se on this thing
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20:46<chealer>Laeborg: I really don't know, but which desktop environment do you use?
20:46<Laeborg>KDE
20:46<Guest665>same to me
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20:48<Bruce>halo
20:48-!-Laeborg [~Laeborg@ip0x5727f1.pip.mvb.dk] has joined #debian
20:48<chealer>Laeborg: did you try kvpnc?
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20:49<Bruce>i delete files in debian thru scp, whats the command to update the directories thru ssh?
20:50<Bruce>i mean, even tho the directories have been delete, it will still show
20:50<redhathacker>if you are searching for easy networks use red hat
20:50<gravity>Bruce: rsync
20:50<Bruce>k
20:50<gravity>redhathacker: Do you have a Debian question?
20:50<Bruce>Rolanda:~$ rsync
20:50<Bruce>•shogunx• rsync: command not found
20:50<Bruce>coomand not found
20:50<redhathacker>yes i have
20:50<gravity>Bruce: Install it
20:51<redhathacker>how can i setup a switch and to share for a printer
20:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 337] by debhelper
20:52<Bruce>i remember someone told me just a command
20:52<Bruce>kind of like a refresh
20:52<redhathacker>can we share file with diffr os
20:52<redhathacker>useing debian
20:52<gravity>redhathacker: That's what samba or any number of servers is for
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20:53<redhathacker>can we use red hat with debian
20:53<gravity>Bruce: Perhaps I'm not understanding exactly what you did. How did you use scp to delete anything? It's a copying program.
20:53<gravity>redhathacker: What does that mean?
20:53<Bruce>i use winscp to delete files in debian
20:53<redhathacker>to share files
20:53<redhathacker>useing a switch
20:53<gravity>Bruce: scp is "secury copy". It doesn't delete.
20:54<Bruce>and i have putty open, the directories that i delete still shows up in putty
20:54<dendrite>redhathacker: You mean one machine running redhat, and the other running debian, across a network?
20:54<gravity>Bruce: That said, I don't know anything about winscp, so that's not really a debian question
20:54<redhathacker>yes
20:54<gravity>Bruce: Because scp doesn't delete. It just copies.
20:54<dendrite>redhathacker: Certainly, you can share files between the two.
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20:55<Bruce>ok
20:55<redhathacker>but that didnt work with me
20:55<Bruce>but there is a command in debian that i used before to refresh on the files
20:55<dendrite>redhathacker: Well, then you set it up wrong, because it's commonly done.
20:55<gravity>Bruce: Assuming your putty connection is just an ssh connection in to your server, just use the terminal that putty gives you to delete your files
20:55<redhathacker>i did that with red hat and with fedora
20:55<redhathacker>and with opensuse
20:55<redhathacker>and its work good
20:56<dendrite>redhathacker: Well, then don't bother with debian. Problem solved! =)
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20:56<Bruce>the command rm vhcs2 -r <-- that format will remove all the files?
20:56<Bruce>sorry newbie in linux
20:56<Bruce>recursively?
20:56<redhathacker>but the xwindo in debian is not so strong like fedora
20:56<gravity>Bruce: rm -rf yourdirectory
20:57<Bruce>ok
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20:57<dendrite>Bruce: Careful, those rm -rf commands are among the most dangerous.
20:57<Bruce>k
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20:58<redhathacker>is debian good with hacking
20:58-!-mode/#debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ
20:58-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@86.97.153.125] by gravity
20:58<Bruce>uhm i typed that command in but when i use the command 'locate named.conf' is still there
20:58-!-mode/#debian [-o gravity] by gravity
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20:59<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How would I rotate the orientation of my screen?
20:59<Lat>if you use nv or radeon or ati driver, you can use xrandr
21:00<gravity>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: xrandr, presuming your driver supports it
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21:00<Lat>if you use nvidia or fglrx, then you need to use nvidia-configure or ati_config
21:00<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>i580 (Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller)
21:00<Lat>if you use intel, I have no idea
21:00<Lat>XD
21:01<Lat>I think xrandr works there
21:01<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I'll try it now
21:01-!-Crayzie [~debian@cpe-76-181-121-122.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
21:01<Lat>man xrandr
21:01-!-freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
21:02<gravity>Yeah, intel works
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21:02<gravity>xrandr was *written* by the lead on that driver
21:02<gravity>So yeah, intel is good
21:02*doub suspects gravity of having some intel shares ;)
21:03<gravity>doub: No, I'm just a very biased user
21:03<Bruce>gravity how can i delete the files? i typed 'rm -rf vhcs2' and when i type locate 'named.conf'i still see the vhcs2 directory
21:03<Laeborg>Fatal error: php-gtk: Could not open display in /usr/bin/pptpconfig.php on line 31 - I get this error when i try to get into pptpconfig
21:03<gravity>Bruce: Don't use locate. Use ls.
21:03<gravity>Bruce: locate uses a database that is periodically refreshed. The database is out of date at the moment, so locate will still find your file.
21:04<Bruce>ok
21:04-!-TiEuAM [~n@ALagny-251-1-43-24.w90-61.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
21:04<Bruce>how can i update the database?
21:04<gravity>Bruce: I highly recommend learning some basic UNIX commands before going any further.
21:04-!-Morphous [~jan@dslb-088-076-174-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
21:04<gravity>Bruce: You desperately need the foundation if you're going to do anything
21:04<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I do not understand "Selects an output to reconfigure. Use either the name of the output or the XID.
21:04<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>"
21:04<gravity>Bruce: Just ignore locate. Seriously. I think I've ran that half a dozen times in the past 10 years.
21:05<Bruce>i have ran redhat but changed to debian recently
21:05<Lat>run xrandr to see the names of the outputs
21:05<gravity>Bruce: Still. Learn basic UNIX.
21:05-!-RidwanJihad [~Santrie@125.164.127.153] has joined #debian
21:05<Bruce>and someone told me a command to update the database.. but i forgot the command
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21:06<Rydia>so anyway, daily build install from the windows debian installer didn't work
21:06<dendrite>Bruce: Sounds like you need to take notes.
21:06<poiqwepoi>Bruce updatedb
21:06<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>http://rafb.net/p/45qaaa31.html
21:06<Rydia>that exhausts another option :/
21:06-!-raulslacker [~slacker@189.148.102.142] has joined #debian
21:06<Lat>GhostlyDeath|Laptop, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
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21:06*gravity imagines updating the locate db every time he runs mv or rm and shudders violently
21:06<Bruce>its just a command the i am asking tho
21:07<poiqwepoi>But bruce, in the UNIX minding, if you do a 'man locate' in the 'see also' section you will see related commands
21:07<Bruce>ok
21:07<doub>gravity: "find" is the tool you want for that purpose ;)
21:07<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>aha so LVDS
21:08<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>wow this is cool
21:08<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>now I'm going to have fun for hours =)
21:08<TiEuAM>hello, i have little question => There are not "make.conf" on debian !? i need to pass all time "export CFLAGS=..." before "./configure" when i compil ?????
21:09*gravity goes back to javascript
21:09<Bruce>updatedb thats the command i was looking for
21:10<Bruce>simple.. thanks tho
21:10<Bruce>got me help in the manual
21:10<Bruce>now its not there .. thanks
21:11<Rydia>similarily the debian net installer doesn't detect the onboard lan on my nforce3 on the other computer
21:11<Rydia>so i have the worst luck with these installers
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21:13<doub>Rydia: what i've been doing in a situation similar to yours is what the debian installation system calls 'hd install' : copy the netboot cd image to the root of some fat32 file system, get grub installed, copy kernel and initrd of 'hdimage' installer components to the grub install, reboot and you're there
21:13<doub>Rydia: it's all explained in the installation guide
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21:14<doub>Rydia: the only problem is getting grub installed from windoze
21:14<Rydia>link to such guide?
21:14<Rydia>well i do have a 'grub', installed via a leftover unetbootin
21:14<doub>Rydia: www.debian.org section documentation, installation guide
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21:16<Rydia>hrm
21:16<Rydia>'hd install' isn't mentioned in the installation guide
21:16<Rydia>according to the Find Text in seamonkey anyway
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21:17<AnGeL^BaChA>helo
21:18<squeeze>Can anyone help me with an error I get when installing IVM (telephone answering software) Debian 4.0 error is version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /tmp/selfextract.Op5334/bin/ivm)
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21:18<parmon>hi
21:18<parmon>i'm learning to use grep
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21:18<Lat>yay!
21:18<parmon>i'm having a little trouble matching a pattern
21:18<AnGeL^BaChA>im having problem installing znc lol
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21:19<parmon>znc isn't that hard
21:19<Lat>what reg exp you want to do?
21:19<parmon>what's the problem
21:19<AnGeL^BaChA>on the web it says type run "znc --makeconf"
21:19<parmon>well, i'm searching a file for email addresses
21:19<AnGeL^BaChA>bash: run: command not found
21:19<parmon>...
21:20<parmon>um i think you just want to run the command "znc --makeconf"
21:20<AnGeL^BaChA>bash: znc --makeconf: command not found
21:20<AnGeL^BaChA>lol
21:20<parmon>are you in the correct directory?
21:20<doub>Rydia: see chapter 4, and specifically section 4.4 and 4.5
21:20<AnGeL^BaChA>home
21:20<doub>Rydia: what i've been using is a mix of the two
21:20<parmon>you need to be in the directory where znc is installed
21:21<AnGeL^BaChA>which directry is that
21:21<AnGeL^BaChA>;/
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21:21<parmon>dunno. where did you install it to?
21:21<AnGeL^BaChA>i havent
21:21<AnGeL^BaChA>it says on the web
21:21<AnGeL^BaChA>log in to shell
21:21<doub>Rydia: the vmlinuz and initrd.gz you want to download are those from hd-media section of debian installer
21:21<parmon>is it running on the system?
21:21<AnGeL^BaChA>and type the command run znc
21:21<parmon>are you sure?
21:22<Rydia>okay
21:22<AnGeL^BaChA>when i press just znc
21:22<AnGeL^BaChA>it says this
21:22<Rydia>will this help me get my ethernet detected?
21:22<AnGeL^BaChA> znc
21:22<AnGeL^BaChA>[ !! ] Opening Config [/home/nadia/.znc/configs/znc.conf]... [ No such file ]
21:22<AnGeL^BaChA>[ ** ] Restart znc with the --makeconf option if you wish to create this config.
21:22<AnGeL^BaChA>[ ** ] Unrecoverable config error.
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21:23<AnGeL^BaChA>kick :/
21:23<doub>Rydia: once it's installed, you'll be able to fiddle with the kernel (recompile, whatever)
21:23<doub>Rydia: to get your NIC working
21:23*Rydia isn't really experienced enough for kernelry
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21:24<AnGeL^BaChA>any help
21:24<doub>Rydia: that's not as important, at least you'll have the tool at hand, and then come back here (or wherever you want) to ask for help
21:25<doub>Rydia: and besides, the installer's kernel is not the same as the stock one, so you might have better luck with this one
21:25<Rydia>ah there's still an installer?
21:25<Rydia>i assumed it'd be a terminal-based linux
21:25<doub>Rydia: of course
21:26<squeeze>Is it possible to upgrade GLIBC_2.3 to 2.4?
21:26<Rydia>i'm getting the business card iso
21:26<doub>Rydia: the base you install with, say, netinst cd is terminal only
21:26<doub>Rydia: for that matter, you'd be better off with a full CD 1 image
21:27<Rydia>yeah but that wouldn't leave much disk space for installing the OS
21:27<doub>Rydia: so as to have all the tools to fiddle with your network card or whatever else doesn't want to work well
21:27<doub>Rydia: how big is your HDD ?
21:27<Rydia>9gb, only 1.2gb free, most 40+mb files are deleted
21:28<Rydia>i'm hoping for a tiny partition the size of 1gb for debian
21:28<Rydia>i don't plan on bloating it up with kdes and open offices
21:28<doub>Rydia: that's getting tough then... try getting more room free
21:30<Rydia>i only have to download the first cd?
21:30<Rydia>i was afraid of downloading all 200 or so
21:30<Rydia>and needing to burn them all
21:30<doub>Rydia: the problem is that if your network card doesn't work with the installer, the businesscard CD will be of no use: it only has the installer in
21:30<doub>Rydia: and expects the network to be OK to install from there
21:31<doub>Rydia: CD1 is base system+X server+gnome base
21:31<parmon>Lat: does that make sense? searching for all references to emails in a file? <user>@<host>.<suffix>
21:31<parmon>using grep
21:31<doub>Rydia: you can try and go with the netinst CD, which contains a base installation (terminal only, but fully operational)
21:32<doub>Rydia: from there it'd be easyer to get your network going
21:32<parmon>i hope you have a good connection
21:32<parmon>does that make sense to anyone?
21:32<Lat>grep .*\@\.*\..*?
21:33<Lat>or you want like grep .*\@hotmail\.com ?
21:33<qqsea>Rydia: do you have a floppy drive ?
21:33<parmon>yeah
21:33<parmon>that makes sense
21:33<Rydia>yes but it's broken
21:33<parmon>Lat: but doesn't the period only match a single character
21:33<Rydia>it also eats disks
21:33<Lat>. means any character and .* means any string \. means the actual period
21:33<Rydia>if it 'works'
21:33<Lat>yeah
21:34*Rydia thinks about debian-40r3-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso
21:34*Lat thinks about going to bed
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21:34<doub>Rydia: its the same as the "noname" cd1 but with xfce instead of gnome
21:34<Lat>hi thepretender84
21:35<Rydia>yeah well gnome on 192mb is like gnome on my face
21:35<Lat>and good nigth everyone else
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21:35<doub>Rydia: i've tried lately, the base gnome install only "needs" 172mb of RAM here
21:36<doub>Rydia: but it's like vista with 512mb ram
21:36<Rydia>that doesn't leave much left
21:36<Rydia>this laptop ships with only 64mb, i upped it to 192mb last year
21:36<Rydia>it's very slow ram
21:37<Rydia>i'm gonna get the xfce one since i value the ability to point and click
21:37<qqsea>Rydia: what processor is in ?
21:37<Rydia>this keyboard is hard
21:37<Rydia>AMD K6-2 433MHz
21:37<qqsea>ok
21:38<qqsea>Rydia: you may add a external mouse
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21:38<Rydia>i've got plenty of those around :)
21:38<qqsea>Rydia: and a external keyboard too
21:39<Rydia>oh that's where it fails
21:39<Rydia>i only have one ps/2 port
21:39<Rydia>and one usb port
21:39<qqsea>ok
21:39<Rydia>also i'm on my bed
21:39<qqsea>not us ...
21:39<Rydia>this laptop is actually a production computer
21:40<Rydia>my desk is not comfortable
21:40<qqsea>what kind ?
21:40<Rydia>crappy kind
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21:40<Rydia>oh the laptop? Compaq Presario
21:40<Rydia>1277
21:42<Rydia>Sept 1999
21:43<qqsea>I run icewm (and gnome) quet well on Compaq PII 450 and 200 MB of ram
21:43<qqsea>desktop
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21:46<MarcosDebian>#debian-br
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21:47<MarcosDebian>droga ainda não aprendi a usar esse irc direito ¬¬
21:48<qqsea>Rydia: you have a better use of the (external) keyboard for installation than a mouse
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21:50<qqsea>MarcosDebian: use "/j #debian-br " for the chan debian-br
21:50<qqsea>Rydia: you have a better use of the (external) keyboard for installation than a mouse
21:50<MarcosDebian>thank you
21:50<MarcosDebian>=]
21:50<qqsea>np
21:51<MarcosDebian>your from?
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21:51<qqsea>europe
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21:51<MarcosDebian>hm...i'm brasilian =]
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21:52<MarcosDebian>is too
21:52<MarcosDebian>don't talk english very good =(
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21:53<MarcosDebian>bye bye
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21:55<Rydia>qqsea - i'm not good with terminal text editors like vi though
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21:56*Rydia gets net installer iso anyway
21:56<Bruce>whats the command to recover a file?
21:56<Bruce>i used rm instead of mv
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21:58<qqsea>Rydia: i use nano , only
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22:03<Rydia>this will take twelve minutes, to get the iso
22:04<witte>!undelete
22:04<dpkg>hmm... undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
22:04<Rydia>also ext3 is really nicer than i thought
22:04<Rydia>playing etqw seemed faster on ext3 than ntfs
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22:07<witte>Bruce: did you read the undelete comment that dpkg produced?
22:08<Bruce>uhmm thats a bit over my head atm
22:08<Bruce>just download files and redid the whole thing again but thanks
22:08<witte>Bruce: it means that you probably wont be able to get it back
22:08<Bruce>ok
22:09<witte>ah, ok no harm done in that case
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22:21<Rydia>iso finished
22:21<Rydia>now i get those kernel/initrds
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22:34<Bruce>how can i find what applications are running and using a certain port?
22:34<Bruce>ps x
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22:34<superjet>Bruce: lsof
22:35<Rydia>okay, got all 3 files
22:35<Rydia>next is modifying grub somehow to boot these
22:35<Rydia>i'm going to place these files in C:\debinst
22:35<Rydia>and the iso in root
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22:38<Bruce>thanks superjet
22:38<Bruce>is there any way to find out what applications is using a certain port? 6667
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22:40<superjet>Bruce: lsof -i :6667
22:41<Bruce>nothing shows
22:41<qqsea>Bruce: cat /etc/services | grep 6667
22:41<superjet>Bruce: sudo lsof -i :6667
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22:42<Bruce>ic it
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22:42<Bruce>grep|6667 worked
22:42<Bruce>how can i find the pid and kill it tho?
22:43<Bruce>ps x wont show the pid
22:43<Bruce>wont show it running
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22:46<nevyn>netstat -ln |grep 6667 should do it too.
22:48<Bruce>ircserver@Rolanda:~/UltimateIRCd$ cat /etc/services | grep 6667
22:48<Bruce>ircd 6667/tcp #debian Internet Relay Chat
22:48<Bruce>how do i kill it or find the pid on it?
22:49<Bruce>cause when i start the irc server it sayd 'cannot bind to primary port 6667, make sure that no other application is using this port'
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22:53<nevyn>Bruce: are you sure it's not running already
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22:54<Bruce>it is when i type cat /etc/services |grep 6667
22:54<Bruce>but when i type 'ps x' its not up
22:55<Rydia>http://pastebin.ca/1016556 this is my menu.lst looking like right now
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22:57<nevyn>Bruce: /etc/services is a static file
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22:57<nevyn>what's lsof do?
22:57<Bruce>it shows bunch of files
22:58<qqsea> PID is not the same things as the Port
22:58<nevyn>yeah what's the lsof command listed above.
22:58<Bruce>pid is the process ..
22:58<nevyn>lsof -i :6667
22:58<nevyn>yeah
22:59<Bruce>but it doesn't show when i type this "ps x"
22:59<Bruce>so i dunno what pid to kill
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23:01<qqsea>" lsof -i :6667 " is giving what there ?
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23:02<qqsea>Bruce: " lsof -i :6667 " is giving what there ?
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23:03<Bruce>ircserver@Rolanda:~/UltimateIRCd$ lsof -i :6667
23:03<Bruce>ircserver@Rolanda:~/UltimateIRCd$
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23:03<mysupper_>hello guys~
23:03<nevyn>Bruce: run that again as root
23:03<nevyn>hrm actually I don't think you need to be root to get that.
23:04<dave_>without root
23:04<Bruce>same thing as root
23:04<qqsea>Bruce: what is your irc client ?
23:05-!-devil_ [~devil@dslb-088-072-207-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
23:05<qqsea>*which
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23:05<Bruce>i have a laptop on the same LAN
23:05<qqsea>*which is your irc client ?
23:05<Bruce>but the weird thing is that on the same debian box, i ran Unreal (which is an irc server) and it ran fine
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23:06<Bruce>but running Ultimateircd , gives me error "cannot bind to primary port, make sure other applications not using port 6667 on this ip
23:07<Bruce>so i delete user and files that i previusly installed and delete everything that "Unreal3.2' had
23:07<Bruce>and get the same error when i run Ultimateircd
23:07<qqsea>Bruce: you are in virtual box than ?
23:07<Bruce>dunno what you mean by 'virtual' sorry
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23:08<Bruce>i have a xp on my laptop, and debian on the desktop
23:08<Bruce>and accessing thru putty
23:08<Bruce>i am on the xp currently
23:08<qqsea> accessing thru putty the debian ?
23:09<Bruce>i mean, i ran Unreal3.2 and ppl were able to connect to the server
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23:09<qqsea> accessing thru putty the debian ?
23:09<Bruce>i am on laptop (xp OS) .. going into debian .. (using putty)
23:10<Bruce>i have two computers, connected to a router
23:11<Bruce>my laptop with xp OS, and debian on the desktop
23:11<Rydia>tiem to reboot!!
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23:11<Bruce>maybe its not even debian, and its ultimateird, but i dunno where to get support
23:12<Bruce>try looking for them in the FAQ
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23:12<Bruce>tried*
23:12<qqsea>so it's normal , the debian commandes are not run on xp
23:13-!-Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #debian
23:13<qqsea>the debian in not running any irc client
23:14<qqsea>so no pid for in debian
23:14<israel>does any one here uses kde4 ?
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23:14<israel>on a i386 (32bits) machine?
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23:14<dave_>qqsea:How to discover the 6667 to xchat ?
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23:15<qqsea> lsof -i :6667
23:15-!-Bruce_afk is now known as Bruce
23:15<Bruce>no debian is not running any irc client
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23:17<Bruce>uhmm maybe a fresh install of debian sarge again
23:17<qqsea>so it's normal , the debian commandes are not run on xp
23:17<qqsea>sarge ?
23:17<Bruce>yes
23:17<Bruce>3.1 sarge
23:17<qqsea>why ?
23:18<Bruce>thought it was the best for an old puter
23:18<qqsea>what proc /ram has ?
23:18<Bruce>1.7 gigs and 512 ram
23:18<qqsea>hehe
23:19<Bruce>not good?
23:19<qqsea>i run sid gnome on pII 450 MHz 200 MB ram !
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23:20<Bruce>i just want to put up this irc server for like 20 ppl
23:20<qqsea>dunno me
23:20<Bruce>but i have to use Ultimateirc so that it can be linked
23:21<israel>use etch man
23:21<israel>if it's going to host a service on the net
23:21<qqsea>at list
23:21<israel>don't use a discontinued version
23:21<Bruce>its not discontinued tho, they just came out with the beta version
23:22<qqsea> beta version of sarge ? hehe
23:22<israel>If it's going to be your home backup or svn server ok, but if it's going to be on the net, use stable
23:22<israel>the security updates are discontinued
23:23<Bruce>whats the command to see the version?
23:23<Bruce>version?
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23:23<israel>cat /etc/issue
23:23<Bruce>Rolanda:/home/ircserver/UltimateIRCd# cat /etc/issue
23:23<Bruce>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
23:23<israel>cat /etc/debian_version
23:23<qqsea>etch
23:24<qqsea>for 4 ...
23:24<Bruce>sorry
23:25<israel>is anybody using kde4 from experimental?
23:26<qqsea>israel: ask that please on #sidux
23:26<israel>nice sugetion
23:26<israel>sidux uses kde4 as default, I forgot that
23:26<israel>thanks qqsea
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23:27<qqsea>np israel
23:27<israel>kde, dunno which version, but kde is default in sidux, isn't it?
23:27<qqsea>yes
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23:32<Rydia>to my surprise
23:32<Rydia>the hd installer actually detected my ethernet!
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23:32<Rydia>however now i'm on snag #2
23:32<Rydia>partitioning
23:33<Rydia>via the installer, the only way to make a partition is to wipe it all
23:33<Rydia>this is unacceptable
23:33<Rydia>i want to shrink my fat32 partition
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23:34<Rydia>and i can only do this via windoze
23:34<Rydia>somehow
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23:36<pi-equiv>fips
23:36<Rydia>?
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23:42<israel>fips works from a dos diskette
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23:43<israel>but you can also download Gparted Live CD fom http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
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23:44<Rydia>i can not use CDs
23:45<Rydia>or diskettes
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23:53*Rydia defrags
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23:59<Rydia>the adventure will continue tomorrow
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