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---Logopened Tue May 13 00:00:54 2008
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00:08<rrm>does debian contain selinux?
00:09<rrm>everyone asleep?
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00:11<israel>in the repositories
00:11<israel>but it's not enabled by default
00:11<israel>you have to install it
00:12<israel>but they are available at the official repository
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00:12<rrm>oh... i was reading on the wiki that i only have to change a 0 to a 1 to enable it
00:15<kop>rrm: The trick is that once you install a package you read /usr/share/doc/foo*/README.Debian. That file tells you Debian specific stuff, which is usually how to turn it on if it isn't on just by virtue of having installed it.
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00:17<kop>Oh, and the trick to getting a kernel module turned on in the default debian kernel is to file a bug report against linux-image-*. WorkedForMe.
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00:17<rrm>forget it
00:17<rrm>way too much work
00:18<kop>rrm: That's what I've always thought about SELinux, but someday I'm going to have to fiddle with it anyhow.
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00:19<Greenskin>J debian-es
00:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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00:22<kop>dpkg: The trick is that once you install a package you read /usr/share/doc/foo*/README.Debian. That file tells you Debian specific stuff, which is usually how to turn it on if it isn't on just by virtue of having installed it.
00:22<dpkg>okay, kop
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00:41<valdyn>!the trick
00:41<valdyn>!what are you
00:41<dpkg>I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot>
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00:42<phillipsjk>!The trick
00:42<valdyn>!listkeys trick
00:42<dpkg>Factoid search of 'trick' by key (15 of 17): #debian stupid bot tricks ;; _default lyx trick ;; _default patrick ;; _default stupid bot tricks ;; aptitude tricks ;; lyx trick ;; mitrick ;; oldest trick in the book ;; patrick ;; sobig postfix trick ;; stupid bot tricks ;; trick ;; tricks ;; winmodem-trick ;; youngest trick in the book.
00:42<phillipsjk>so the bot says OK, and ignores you?
00:42<dpkg>trick is probably that once you install a package you read /usr/share/doc/foo*/README.Debian. That file tells you Debian specific stuff, which is usually how to turn it on if it isn't on just by virtue of having installed it.
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00:49<dpkg><Guerin> mitrick: just don't use the enter key like a MSN loser <mitrick> i dont use msn. <mitrick> i use aim.
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01:00<kurumin>where are you from ?
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01:01<albert>do you use Linux?
01:01<albert>i love it
01:01<indistylo>hye everybody thr
01:01<kurumin>i love linux
01:01<indistylo>i uses linux
01:02<kurumin>but is very dificult
01:02<indistylo>its awesome OS
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01:02<indistylo>sorry for interrupt kurumin and albert
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01:04<albert>indistylo where are you from?
01:04<indistylo__>can any1 tell me how to use yahoomesengr in linux
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01:04<indistylo__>if it can happen so'
01:05<albert>i dont know
01:05<indistylo__>from INDIA
01:05<indistylo__>presently a student
01:05<indistylo__>hey albert u r from....
01:05<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
01:06<albert>to far away
01:06<indistylo__>Good country --its people have gr8 Zeal towards life
01:06<indistylo__>have visited thr once
01:07<indistylo__>oh yes for Internship
01:07<indistylo__>so what r u doing professionally
01:08<albert>i'm student
01:08<indistylo__>which university
01:08<indistylo__>which course
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01:08<indistylo__>which year
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01:09<albert>Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico
01:09<indistylo__>this is not understable to me
01:09<albert>Computers engineer
01:09<indistylo__>type it in english lang
01:10<indistylo__> Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico-type it in english lang
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01:11<albert>National University of Mexico i guess
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01:12<albert>what about you?
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01:17<indistylo__>sry 4 responding late
01:17<indistylo__>me from INDIAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
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01:18<indistylo__>i hope u have heard abt this institute
01:18<indistylo__>albert r u thr
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01:19<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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01:25<chapajai>hi i am looking for help in eclipse and tomcat the debug mode ... anyone can help.. thanks
01:27<indistylo__>any Female Intrsuctor here on this channel
01:30<indistylo__>Hi LANEY
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01:36<diego_new_nick>hi there, I have a problem
01:36<diego_new_nick>my clock is set to 02:36 but it shows 23:36 cause it thinks its in utc
01:36<diego_new_nick>and /etc/default/rcS says UTC = no
01:36<diego_new_nick>why ?
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01:38<diego_new_nick>anyone here knows :( ?
01:38<jm_>did you change utc setting after boot?
01:38<jm_>is your timezone set correctly?
01:39<diego_new_nick>jm_: my zone is Argentina/Buenos_Aires
01:39<diego_new_nick>which is correct and in my windows (dual boot) I see my correct time
01:39<diego_new_nick>here it says that its 02:36 GMT
01:39<diego_new_nick>and it should take that as local
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01:40<diego_new_nick>there was something in debian to say the clock has localtime and not UTC but its not /etc/default/rcS it seems
01:41<jm_>it is rcS
01:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, utc is Coordinated Universal Time ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d restart
01:41<diego_new_nick>but it says utc = no
01:41<diego_new_nick>should it say yes or no then ?
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01:43<jm_>anwser my first question
01:43<jm_>what one sets it to depends on what is set in the BIOS
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01:45<diego_new_nick>jm_: im not sure about the bios now, what I want is debian to use the time it shows as UTC as the localtime
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01:45<diego_new_nick>I could just change my timezone and say Im in england but I want it to show the correct name hehe
01:47<jm_>diego_new_nick: if you are using windows then it's most likely not in UTC
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01:48<diego_new_nick>yes, so, how can I make debian know the hardware clock is in localtime
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01:48<diego_new_nick> /etc/default/rcS says utc=no already
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02:17<JustSoul>Is there english to russian translator?
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02:22<streuner>i don't know about debian, but you could use babelfish (
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02:27<Slydder>morning all
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02:42<tenzind>Hi, I am running debian lenny on acer laptop. Everything is working fine except that when i use the earphone, the laptop speakers does not mute. How can I configure that?
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02:53<raz0rsedge>Hi there.
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03:42<EmleyMoor>Reboot will be advisable shortly so TTFN
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03:48<goofybritt>hello, I am wondering if anyone can help me to enable 3d for my graphics card
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03:50<goofybritt>does anyone know how to enable 3d for graphics?
03:50<mysupper_>goofybritt, what is your graphic card? I saw dpkg has some one line command for setting 3d's.
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03:51<goofybritt>um. its a mobile intel x3100
03:51<goofybritt>ive got a laptop, Acer Aspire 7720
03:51<dpkg>somebody said ati was For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. <radeon>, <radeonhd>
03:51<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see <ati>
03:51<mysupper_>!fglrx one-liner
03:51<dpkg>To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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03:52<goofybritt>yes thank you, ill check that
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03:53<goofybritt>apparently i did not have fglrx* installed
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04:00<goofybritt-away>how to i enable contrib and non-free? i do not specifically see that in the repository list in synaptic
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04:02<mysupper_>!non-free sources
04:02<dpkg>hmm... non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
04:03<goofybritt>i have deb stable main contrib non-free
04:03<goofybritt># deb-src stable main contrib non-free
04:03<goofybritt>do i need to enable the src?
04:03<mysupper_>that's "yes"
04:03<goofybritt>the apt-get install info above didn't work, errors
04:04<goofybritt>let me add that and update to see if that'll work then. Thank you :-)
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04:05<goofybritt># apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
04:05<goofybritt>Reading package lists... Done
04:05<goofybritt>Building dependency tree... Done
04:05<goofybritt>module-assistant is already the newest version.
04:05<goofybritt>fglrx-driver is already the newest version.
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04:06<goofybritt>Setting up wacom-kernel-source ( ...
04:06<goofybritt>/var/lib/dpkg/info/wacom-kernel-source.postinst: line 49: [: too many arguments
04:06<goofybritt>Warning: kernel headers don't match running Linux version.
04:06<goofybritt>Building wacom modules for Linux _CODE 13263 (this may take a few minutes)...dpkg: error processing wacom-kernel-source (--configure):
04:06<goofybritt> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
04:06<goofybritt>Errors were encountered while processing:
04:06<goofybritt> cpad-kernel-source
04:06<goofybritt> wacom-kernel-source
04:06<goofybritt>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
04:06<goofybritt>errors were encountered while processing cpad-kernel-source and wacom-kernel-source
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04:07<goofybritt>guess i fkd up when I tried to install that before enabling source
04:08*goofybritt jumps up and down in anger.
04:08<mysupper_>I guess so.
04:08<mysupper_>try lock that not to be updated and do it again.
04:08<goofybritt>i would consider myself a newb when it comes to linux. about the only thing i can do is compile a simple program haha
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04:09<goofybritt>i dont understand
04:09<jm_>sto pasting here
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04:09<mysupper_>hello, jm_
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04:09<Geru>i have some problems with the alsa-driver
04:09<Geru>somebody can help me
04:10<jm_>goofybritt: do you need wacom-kernel-source and cpad-kernel-source at all?
04:10*goofybritt shrugs. I do not know.
04:11<goofybritt><< newb
04:11<Geru>WARNING: Error inserting snd_hda_codec (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
04:11<cahoot>Geru: standalone alsa modules or the ones supplied with the kernel?
04:12<goofybritt>jm, mysupper - i thought all i needed was to update or enable 3d in my grahpics card settings
04:12<goofybritt>but i guess, i should know by now, that nothing is that simple here
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04:12<Geru>I installed the driver for the alsa web
04:13<mysupper_>goofybritt, things are simple in debian, there's just what can be done or not can be done. people ruin there system doing what they don't know.
04:13<goofybritt>haha Yes, I've been there, done that.
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04:13<goofybritt>that's why i came to debian
04:13<Geru>all went right, but when i did the dist-upgrade and rebooted my system, this ocurr
04:14<goofybritt>well I'm using Mepis but its all stable debian source
04:15<goofybritt>perhaps i should reboot since I installed stuff that updated the kernel src ? im gettnig errors trying to install and remove thigns now that it says my kernel headers dont match the installed linux version
04:15<goofybritt>if I break it, i'll most certainly be back on a fresh install soon
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04:19<goofybritt>well i rebooted successfully
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04:19<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see <ati>
04:19<goofybritt>!fglrx one-liner
04:19<dpkg>To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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04:21<goofybritt>ok i have those installed
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04:22<goofybritt>um. how do i clean up my ive got tons of 'bad lines'
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04:25<mysupper_>goofybritt, what is your sound card?
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04:26<goofybritt>i had to add lines to the alsa file when I first installed as it did not recognize my sound card
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04:26<mysupper_>goofybritt, installed by alsa driver from alsa home pages?
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04:27<goofybritt>whatever is installed on the base system, i then found lines i had to add to a config file from a forum
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04:27<goofybritt>snd_timer 17668 1 snd_pcm
04:27<goofybritt>snd_page_alloc 8328 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
04:27<goofybritt>snd_hwdep 7556 1 snd_hda_intel
04:28<goofybritt>thats from lsmod
04:28<mysupper_>goofybritt, well I am not used to edit that kinds of config file editing.
04:28<goofybritt>neither am i, but it worked.
04:28<cahoot> sounds like a custom innovation
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04:28<mysupper_>goofybritt, but if I were you, I would install lubricated debian alsa package.
04:28<goofybritt>no that was already there
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04:29<goofybritt>lubricated debian alsa?
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04:29<mysupper_>then alsaconf will do those kinds of things.
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04:29<cahoot>alsaconf is obsolete
04:29<mysupper_>cahoot, is that so?
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04:30<goofybritt>well i just ran alsaconf and sound still works
04:30<goofybritt>maybe it fixed those errors i had in the
04:30<mysupper_>goofybritt, then it is working...what is your problems?
04:30<goofybritt>3d for graphics
04:30<goofybritt>lol guess we somehow got confused somewhere along the linds
04:31<goofybritt>i need to enable 3d rendering or somethinb b/c 3d games are not able to run well (at all)
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04:32<mysupper_>cahoot, is there another good script to make alsa config easily except alsaconf?
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04:33<cahoot>mysupper: in my experience - dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart will suffice
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04:34<mysupper_>cahoot, that sounds like good approach.
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04:35<cahoot>mysupper: but - when it comes to hda-intel devices things can get rough
04:35<goofybritt>there is no setting in xorg.conf that would allow me to enable 3d rendering or direct draw
04:35<mysupper_>for me, I used to do alsaconf and add group and enjoyed mp's as far as I remember. :)
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04:36<mysupper_>goofybritt, you gotta dig into xorg.conf directives.
04:37<goofybritt>i'm not familliar with the word directives
04:37<goofybritt>ins and outs?
04:38<mysupper_>goofybritt, try use pastbin for your xorg.conf .
04:38<goofybritt>ok will do brb
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04:40<mysupper_>goofybritt, and you sure you have fglrx driver ? lsmod and modbprobe is your friend there.
04:41<goofybritt>fglrx does not show in lsmod
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04:41<goofybritt>and modprobe fglrx returns nothing
04:41<mysupper_>(too many mistypings..sleepyyyyyyyyyyyyyy)
04:41<goofybritt>but apt-get install (fglrx from info) shows they are already installed
04:42<mysupper_>then, lspci shows quorrrect graphic card?
04:42<goofybritt>as far as I know yes. everything looks good.
04:42<goofybritt>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
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04:43<goofybritt>everything including my firewire and card readers appear correct
04:43<mysupper_>oh, I guess that's not ati graphic chip.
04:44<goofybritt>what do I need to do to ensure everything is configured properlyf or this graphics card?
04:45<goofybritt>ive done all the searching i can do for the above name of card and have found nothing even remotely helpful online
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04:46<goofybritt>and its certainly not Nvidia as I tried installing those and it broke X haha
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04:50<mysupper_>but that's sid package.
04:50<goofybritt>im confused as how to use this
04:51<goofybritt>thats ok as long as it works ill be happy
04:51<mysupper_>try apt-get -s install xserver-xorg-video-intel
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04:51<goofybritt>package not found
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04:52<mysupper_>goofybritt, then you don't have that driver for now.
04:52<goofybritt>how do i fix that?
04:52<mysupper_>goofybritt, you can't fix that in debian package system.
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04:53<goofybritt>so basically i cannot have 3d enabled here in linux?
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04:53<goofybritt>thats my goal
04:53<mysupper_>goofybritt, you can try other driver from venders but I don't know that exists.
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04:54<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see <ati>
04:56<goofybritt>ok thank you for your help. ill do more internet searching. I won't give up.
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05:15<Slydder>hey all. i used the saslauthd package to enable smtp auth with exim4 and all works good as far as the authentication goes. however, I can still send email without authenticating. wtf did I miss here? any help appreciated.
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05:35<EuroElessar>good day
05:35<EuroElessar>how should i install debian, if i have windows xp at my computer only, and debian installer doesn't see my dvd-rom?
05:36<jm_>several options: 1. make it so it will see your dvd-rom, 2. from hard disk/usb
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05:40<EuroElessar>how should i install it from hd?
05:40<EuroElessar>i've found only way if there is lilo or grub at computer
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05:42<sep>EuroElessar, you can also start the debian installer from
05:43<sep>from windows
05:43<EuroElessar>i'm sorry, but this version of installer doesn't work o_O
05:43<sep>EuroElessar, realy ? i used it 3 days ago.. ohwell
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05:43<EuroElessar>i'm tried to use it yesterday
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05:44<EuroElessar>nt loader sayed, that, files of windows are damaged
05:44<EuroElessar>when i coosed to install debian
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05:45<R2r>i need to know which window manager is best for my computer: 256mb ram-1.4ghz-64mb VRAm i need atleast 128mb o free ram
05:46<EuroElessar>sep, have you any ideas why can this error be?
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05:46<sep>EuroElessar, dont know what windows is that ? i tested it on a vista machine without errors
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05:48<EuroElessar>i've started the installation from xp
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05:48<EuroElessar>and i've got installer from testing release of debian
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05:48<R2r>i need to know which window manager is best for my computer: 256mb ram-1.4ghz-64mb VRAm i need atleast 128mb o free ram
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05:49<R2r>i need to know which window manager is best for my computer: 256mb ram-1.4ghz-64mb VRAm i need atleast 128mb o free ram
05:49<R2r>i need to know which window manager is best for my computer: 256mb ram-1.4ghz-64mb VRAm i need atleast 128mb o free ram
05:49<andreyv>is there any limitations for mangle table in iptables? (how many entries maximum i can put there)?
05:49<petemc>!free ram
05:49<dpkg>Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'.
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05:50<petemc>R2r: xfce
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05:51<petemc>ask in the channel
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05:51<R2r> ok then can i boot it from a usb stick will that give me sufficeint memery??
05:52<R2r>remember i need a128mb
05:54<R2r> ok then can i boot it from a usb stick will that give me sufficeint memery?? remember i need a128mb
05:54<R2r> ok then can i boot it from a usb stick will that give me sufficeint memery?? remember i need a128mb
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05:59<jm_>EuroElessar: use stable release
05:59<EuroElessar>jm_: i have the same problems with stable release
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06:01<jm_>EuroElessar: well then boot from USB/floppy or make it see dvd-rom
06:02<EuroElessar>i thought that it is becouse the version of kernel at installer is to low
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06:02<EuroElessar>but in testing release the version is 2.26.24 ...
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06:03<EuroElessar>so i have no another way, except install another distr and install debian from it
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06:08<jm_>no it's likely caused by wrong module load order (thanks to intel fucktards who removed support for IDE in recent chipsets)
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06:10<twb>If nobody uses PATA, why build it into the motherboard?
06:11<jm_>majority of people still use IDE ATAPI devices, except for very new system,s
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06:12<twb>My point is that it doesn't seem "fucktarded" to drop support for a system that isn't going to be used.
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06:13<jm_>but it is used every day
06:13<twb>Presumably people who want PATA will buy a different motherboard.
06:13<sep>what is your error when you install testing ?
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06:14<jm_>twb: that's not a problem, motherboard manufacturers are aware of this so they add additional controllers for IDE devices, but then you end up with a problem like described above
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06:15<nevyn>twb: because sata optical drives are full of giant fail.
06:16<twb>nevyn: it's not like I use optical drives regularly anyway
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06:21<adii>hey, how can i set the current clock (12:21 now) ?
06:21<twb>As root, date -d whatever.
06:22<twb>But it is usually better to set up an NTP client to keep the clock in sync with other hosts.
06:22<twb>Oops, date --set, not date -d.
06:22<adii>oh fine, cheers
06:23<jm_>!setting time
06:23<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
06:23<twb>Why adjtimex over ntpdate?
06:24<jm_>no idea, I didn't write that
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06:30<yang>adjtimex ? I wonder what kind of command that is
06:31<yang>dpkg: status
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06:37<creeed>how can I find out if to the CLASSPATH an added java library is really in the CLASSPATH?
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06:49<SammyTheSnake>I'm having "fun" with my DSL router, the DNS forwarding service on it is hopelessly broken and I want to bypass it by setting some real DNS servers in my resolv.conf, but something keeps overwriting my values with "nameserver" which means DNS lookups keep going back to the broken router.
06:49<SammyTheSnake>Can anyone help me work out what's setting resolv.conf for me, so I can stop it?
06:49<cahoot>I think you want man dhclient.conf
06:50<yang>cahoot: you were the one using wpa_supplicant?
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06:50<cahoot>yes one of many I suppose
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06:52<twb>SammyTheSnake: remove the "request thingy" from dhclient.conf
06:53<twb>Where thingy is something like name-server, I don't remember what
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06:53<cahoot>or add prepend nameserver?
06:53<twb>I guess.
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06:53<SammyTheSnake>twb: everything in my dhclient.conf is commented out, which I take to mean either it's just going on defaults, or possibly it's not actually in use... ?
06:54<twb>But not all dns clients will query nameservers in order -- dnsmasq doesn't, for its upstream dns servers, for example.
06:54<SammyTheSnake>cahoot: I'll try adding the prepend line (after checking the exact syntax ;))
06:54<twb>SammyTheSnake: are you sure ALL of /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf is commented out?
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06:55<SammyTheSnake>twb: yes, every single line is either blank or starts with a #
06:55<themill>!override dns
06:55<dpkg>override dns is probably use "supersede domain-name-servers" in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to override name servers given by the DHCP server
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06:56<SammyTheSnake>themill: aha! that sounds like the bunny! :)
06:56<themill>SammyTheSnake: :) see man 5 dhclient.conf for exact details
06:57<SammyTheSnake>themill: just trying to make sense of that now :)
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06:59<SammyTheSnake>themill: I'm a little unclear on the syntax for specifying multiple servers, do I need to use two supersede lines, or can I just give a comma-separated list of dns servers? i.e. supersede domain-name-servers,
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07:01<themill>SammyTheSnake: Yeah, It's a while since I've actually need that, but yes, that should work.
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07:01<SammyTheSnake>themill: ta
07:02<themill>no worries
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07:17<karnov>hi all ... i still have this messge for any install i try to do ... waited for /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true but it wasn't there" ... does anyone have an idea about the way to fix it ?
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07:22<themill>karnov: what's the output of: readlink /bin/sh
07:23<cq>how much swap should you have with 3gb ram? recommendation is 2.7gb, I would have thought 6gb...
07:23<sep>cq, do you need to suspend ? 6gb if not 2.7 is fine.
07:23<twb>cq: how much will you need?
07:24<cq>no, not planning to suspend...
07:24<twb>Some of my systems run fine with 64MB of RAM and no swap at all.
07:24<cq>planning on running a webserver with database backends.
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07:27<cq>it only gave me US timezones, weird...
07:27<karnov>themil : dash
07:27<karnov>themill : dash
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07:28<themill>karnov: I've seen reports that changing back to bash will fix that problem.
07:29<karnov>themill : oki i try
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07:30<karnov>themill : no :(
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07:31<padski>better the devil_ you know ...
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07:32<themill>karnov: are you running sid?
07:32<karnov>themill : yes
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07:32<themill>karnov: I'll take a guess that this is a "welcome to the perl 5.8 to 5.10 transition" message
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07:33<karnov>themill : :)
07:33<jenipapo>Hi all
07:34<jm_>sep: you don't need nearly as much swap with modern suspend to disk infrastructure
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07:44<TiEuAM>i have installed compiled apache2 php5, the server is ok in basic html but nothing with .php .... and php cli look ok with php -v . What can i do ??
07:45<sep>jm_, i just know what the uwsusp package tell me
07:46<jm_>sep: yeah, tuxonice is much more advanced
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07:47<themill>TiEuAM: what's wrong with the debian packages for apache2 and php5?
07:48<padski>I have been bitten by that uwsusp. ended up with and unbootable system :-(
07:49<TiEuAM>nothing with apache, but i need gd compil in php for some graphics
07:49<cahoot>probably only deep hibernation
07:49<jm_>I only use s2ram but need to figure out why the box panics after resume
07:50<TiEuAM>themill: have you an idee why my php is dead, like i have no install it... all the install where succesfull
07:50<sep>jm_, mental note to test it out
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07:51<sep>TiEuAM, why cant you use the gd modules for php that's in debian allready ?
07:51<themill>TiEuAM: Debian's php5 packages come with GD support enabled, btw
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07:52<themill>dpkg: info php5-gd etch
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07:52<dpkg>php5-gd: (GD module for php5), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch10 (etch), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
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07:55<themill>TiEuAM: in any case, it sounds like you haven't told apache to serve php files using mod_php. That is describe in the php installation and configuration details. In any case, I would recommend using the debian packages so you can get security upgrades more easily.
07:56<TiEuAM>LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ is on my httpd.conf
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07:57<sep>TiEuAM, that's not how you do it on apache2 read man a2enmod,
07:58<jm_>!php wants me to download still
07:58<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at (Apache 1.x).
07:58<sep>TiEuAM, basically all modules add config snippets in /etc/apache2/mods-available, and you enable/disable them with a2enmod / a2dismod
07:58<themill>TiEuAM: You also need: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3
07:59<sep>TiEuAM, and using a2enmod php5 will do it automagically for you (if you remove your own changes in httpd.conf)
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08:00<TiEuAM>sep: i have not touch a2enmod, i look
08:01<sep>its a command
08:01<cq>if I want the latest postgres and drupal, should I use testing, or stay with stable and compile the latest?
08:01<cq>or installthe packages into stable?
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08:01<TiEuAM>themill: i have put AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
08:01<themill>TiEuAM: You
08:01<themill>TiEuAM: You'd be better off with the debian packages that do all this for you.....
08:01<sep>cq, you should not use testing packages on stable, but you can use stable and backport the latest, or use the source
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08:02<sep>or just use testing if you are ok with the added maintainance
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08:05<R2r>i have installed debain etch on a blade server but it shows the following message "hp BIOS: this os is not stable on 64bit system"
08:05<fantonio_br>Hi list
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08:07<chealer>cq: you only need to compile drupal. I'd stay with stable and install a postgres backport.
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08:08<wuseldusel>the control center does not show me the "Samba" configuration menu on "Internet & Networking" - anyone knows whats the package for that (etch)? or is it only in lenny/testing?
08:08<chealer>uh, if drupal needs to be compiled
08:08<cq>ok, how do I install a postgres backport? is there an apt line for backports?
08:08<cq>no, drupal is php
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08:08<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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08:09<R2r>i have installed debain etch on a blade server but it shows the following message "hp BIOS: this os is not stable on 64bit system"
08:09<cq>google for the error message?
08:09<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
08:10<chealer>wuseldusel: which desktop environment do you use?
08:10<wuseldusel>chealer: kde
08:10<R2r> i have installed debain etch on a blade server but it shows the following message "hp BIOS: this os is not stable on 64bit system"
08:10<chealer>wuseldusel: ask #debian-kde
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08:11<R2r> i have installed debain etch on a blade server but it shows the following message "hp BIOS: this os is not stable on 64bit system" i downlaoded the i386 iso
08:11<themill>!tell R2r about multiple ask
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08:13<padski>R2r, also, is that *exactly* what it said ?
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08:13<R2r>no ill give you the original error message
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08:15<R2r>HP BIOS: 0x456098 error code: OS i386 type 0x7629192: Unable to emulate 32-bit system: drop sys:[os is not supported on this configuration]
08:15<R2r>the hp guy said get a 64-bit os
08:15<twb>R2r: do so.
08:16<R2r>whats the diffrence??
08:16<twb>R2r: twice as many bits
08:16<ranix>mad bits, dog
08:16<R2r>the blade thing can emulate 32bit sys
08:16<ranix>your address spaces will blot out the sun
08:16<twb>R2r: according to the error message you quoted, it can't.
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08:18<ranix>he asked his question what, four, five times, then left when he didn't like the answer
08:18<ranix>some people jave no tact
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08:18<twb>ranix: he didn't like the answer
08:18<twb>Maybe he wanted us to lie, like salesmen
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08:19<ranix>twb: we should have sold him a new blade server, with Debian. This would increase our server market share and bring us one step closer to crushing our primary competitor, Microsoft
08:19<ranix>twb: now I'm not going to make the sales meeting in Acapulco because I'll be too busy trying to make up lost sales
08:20<ranix>gsimmons is going to be mad >:[
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08:21<twb>Microsoft is soooo not our competitor
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08:22<ranix>they think they are
08:22<twb>It's people who think Launchpad constitutes "acceptable losses" of Freedom.
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08:22<padski>collateral damage ;-)
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08:24<ranix>launchpad as in
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08:24<padski>yeah, splitters ;-)
08:24<ranix>this website is very web 2.0
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08:24<ranix>by which I mean annoying
08:24<padski>ranix, htis is irc. what are you smoking ?
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08:25<ranix>padski: this is SPARTA
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08:30<cq>what's faster, usb2 or firewire??
08:30<twb>Basic firewire is 440Mb/s, USB2 is 400Mb/s (theoretical maximums).
08:31<cq>maybe firewire just seems slower on this computer
08:31<twb>Sorry, firewire is 400, usb2 is 480.
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08:32<twb>Firewire 800 does 786mbit/s
08:32<twb>"The full IEEE 1394b specification supports data rates up to 3200 Mbit/s over beta-mode or optical connections up to 100 metres in length."
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08:33<twb>[...] products will be available before the end of 2008 [...] 1.6 Gbit/s and 3.2 Gbit/s devices will use the same 9-pin connectors as the existing FireWire 800 and will be fully compatible with existing S400 and S800 devices. The future products are intended to compete with the forthcoming USB 3.0."
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08:37<TiEuAM>sep: mouarf... i add the module php5 with a2enmod, now i have "This module is already enabled!", but the problem persist... (file *.php don't ask to download too, in browser)
08:39<sep>TiEuAM, and you did all of the usual ? restart apachem, clear cache and restart browser ?
08:39<TiEuAM>sep: not clear cache
08:40<TiEuAM>sep: how i clear cache ?
08:40<sep>dependas on your brower
08:40<sep>also read /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz
08:40<sep>and /msg dpkg install php
08:43<sep>TiEuAM, it's allso usefult to read your apache logs
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08:45<shze>i'm trying to use laptop-mode-tools to set the power level of my wireless card (ipw2100, debian testing)
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08:45<rjbs>Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi- at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/ line 11.
08:46<rjbs>I get that when doing 'apt-get install cpio'
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08:46<rjbs>Why is anything apt-get does looking at /usr/local?
08:46<shze>it works on boot and when going to battery (set to 5), but not when going back to ac (switched off, but should go to 2)
08:47<shze>why this happens? i used to setting in laptop-mode/conf.d/wireless-ipw-power.conf
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08:48<rjbs>Bah, because it's in the @INC of standard debian perl.
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08:55<cq>sorry, net problem
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08:55<TiEuAM>sep: arf, it's the old cache my browser display... in really apache is down for the simple html page... i relook all. thanks for your help
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08:58<themill>cq: check that date on your computer
08:59<cq>ah, good point... i have US timezone set but am in germany...
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09:00<cq>grr, sorry, two keyboards
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09:05<shze>why does laptop-mode call 'iwconfig eth1 power off' before 'iwpriv eth1 set_power 5' and thereby disables powermanagement?
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09:09<TiEuAM>for clearly complete any compil (configure, make), i just need to launch "make clean" ??
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09:13<padski>TiEuAM, read the makefile or docs. there are often different kinds of "clean" for different purposes. was there no package ?
09:14<padski>shze, dunno. file a bug.
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09:15<shze>padski: trying to investigate further, will do if i dont find the reason
09:15<cq>please install and activate NTP support in teh system ..." ... well, i just installed ntpdate and ntp, what am I missing?
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09:16<cq>also- why isn't NTP support standard?
09:16<padski>cq, what do you mean "standard" ?
09:16<cq>installed by default
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09:16<Gekz>hey guys
09:17<Gekz>I have to have my dyndns manually updated every four hours
09:17<padski>cq, in the "standard" task ?
09:17<cq>the help doesn't say what package I need to install to get it to work...
09:17<Gekz>whats the best app to do that on debian?
09:17<petemc>theres a dyndns client
09:17<cq>padski: for example, yes.
09:17<cq>for now I just want to get it to work, ntp and ntpdate packages aren't it apparently...
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09:19<padski>cq, ntpdate does a one-off lookup and set. ntpd runs as a daemon and does a continuous correction.
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09:19<padski>cq, depending on your setup you may or may not want both.
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09:19<cq>so what package is the Time and Date Settings looking for? is there a NTP client that it wants?
09:20<petemc>ntpd , perhaps
09:20<padski>cq, I am not familiar with "Time and Date Settings"
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09:20<cq>that istn't a package, ntpd is in ntp
09:20<cq>standard install, 4.0r3 gnome desktop, ricgt-click on the time top right
09:20<petemc>ive never had to do anything other than install it
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09:25<cq>wonderful, it just wanted ntp-simple I think
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09:35<diego>hi there, the bios clock says 13:35, windows says 13:35 but linux says 10:35 cause it thinks thats in UTC and /etc/default/rcS says UTC=no and even cha
09:35<diego>changing it keeps the problem
09:35<diego>I want debian to use the bios time as local time
09:36<padski>diego, system clock and hardware clock are distinct.
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09:36<diego>padski: if I change the clock in debian, it screws my windows
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09:37<diego>padski: I want linux and windows with the correct time :(
09:38<dpkg>rumour has it, utc is Coordinated Universal Time ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d restart
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09:38<dpkg>from memory, timezone is "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch
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09:38<diego>dpkg: already run that command
09:38<dpkg>no idea, diego
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09:38<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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09:39<themill>diego: if you are running a legacy operating system like windows, then you will need to set your BIOS time to localtime and use UTC=no.
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09:39<diego>themill: that is already done
09:39<diego> /etc/default/rcS says utc=no
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09:40<themill>diego: and you've rebooted since making that change?
09:40<diego>and windows has correct time and the bios too
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09:40<diego>themill: yes
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09:40<padski>diego, and it is not an htc universal (which seems to have two clocks) ?
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09:41<diego>padski: htc universal ?
09:41<padski>diego, apologies, red herring.
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09:42<diego>padsky: hehe, Im not expert in linux lol, I just want gnome to show the correct time and timezone without changing windows time hehehe
09:42<themill>diego: what timezone are you in? Isn't linux right that it's 10:40 where you are?
09:42<padski>diego, what hardware, do you see any time/clock related errors in the boot ?
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09:42<diego>my timezone is argentina
09:43<diego>and sorry, it shows 07:44
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09:43<diego>3 less than the correct :) not 3 more as said before , I was looking other thing hehe
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09:44<padski>diego, hwclock --show
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09:44<diego>padski: yes, actually , there is an error of hwclock saying "fail to set clock to " [incorrect time]
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09:44<themill>I wonder if this is another machine that needs the --directisa flag in
09:45<padski>diego, do you load the rtc module ok ?
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09:45<diego>how can I check ?
09:46<diego>themill: dont know , its an hp pavilion notebook
09:46<padski>diego, modprobe rtc ; lsmod | grep rtc
09:46<diego>padski: no module
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09:48<padski>diego, could you rty booting with the noapic option
09:49<padski>diego, from a thread at, you might find other helpfull stuff in there.
09:49<padski>diego, or google dv9548 linux, or even look for hp docs
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09:50<Wesley>Im trying to start netinstall from an USb stick, it did work.. but now all the sudden I keep getting "error 22" at the grub loading stage1.5 part; any sugegstions?
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09:52<diego>ok, thx guys, will try :)
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09:53<padski>Wesley, the names of devices can change. I suspect 22 is missing partition.
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09:54<Wesley>padski; yes thats what google told me aswell.. but shouldnt it startup from the usb key?
09:54<padski>Wesley, I have a bootable usb stick, but it looks like I am using lilo.
09:54<Wesley>I followed
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09:55<Wesley>Strange thing is that it did work before, now it justs keeps getting the same error
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09:59<deeeb>How should packages that require special permissions (such as suid bits or new local system users) be handled ? How do you ensure that local permission changes aren't overwritten by upgrades ?
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10:00<padski>Wesley, I think I debootstrap'ed mine.
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10:03<klando> refer to which have a 404 :-/
10:03<padski>hmmm, that's a DSA and a half.
10:04<petemc>klando: note the tense of text talking about the link to that site
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10:04<Orijin4l>i need some help to be able to send mail
10:05<Orijin4l>Mailing to remote domains not supported <-- i was getting that when i tried to use mail
10:05<Orijin4l>so i ran
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10:05<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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10:05<klando>petemc, yes,
10:05<Orijin4l>sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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10:05<Hunter>hello any french here? I need to talk to a french guy
10:05<Hunter>hello any french here? I need to talk to a french guy
10:05<dpkg>fr is, like, Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
10:05<Orijin4l>and followed the options i thought was right
10:06<Orijin4l>but can i send mail purely from that one box, or do i need to pass it through another set of mail servers ?
10:06<petemc>if you're on a dynamic consumer ip, then a lot of mailservers wont accept mail from you direcrtly
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10:08<Orijin4l>so if im setting it up to use a "smarthost"
10:08<Orijin4l>Please enter the IP address or the host name of a mail server that this â
10:08<Orijin4l> â system should use as outgoing smarthost
10:08<Orijin4l>im at that stage
10:08<TiEuAM>can we install debian package with CFLAGS option ?? (without compile)
10:08<padski>Orijin4l, you get that detail fromyour ISP
10:09<cq>is there a way to turn down the fan or get adaptive fan control?
10:09<cq>I have a loud athlon box under the table...
10:09<cq>fan apci
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10:11<padski>!power saving
10:11<dpkg>[power saving], or ask me about <powertop>, <kpowersave>, <laptop mode> and <powernowd>. It's not just about hugging trees and not using gentoo, it's also about making your battery last longer and your computer run more quietly (less power used = less heat produce = less fan usage = less noise).
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10:19<kupson>hello, I have a question about ssh key based authorization. DSA 1571 says that DSA (ssh-keygen -t dsa) keys should be considered compromised. That means keys generated with command ssh-keygen -t rsa are not affected, right?
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10:27<palo>/who #warp
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10:34<petemc>kupson: word on the street is that rsa isnt affected
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10:35<themill>petemc: although the utility flags rsa keys as being vulnerable...
10:35<petemc>oh, matthew garret in another channel said they werent affected
10:35<petemc>he seems to be usually correct
10:36<klando>how to regenerate the ssh-key for a host ?
10:36<themill>petemc: The DSA only talks about it being dsa keys not rsa keys so I'm presuming it's a false positive. Having said that, the util specifically checks id_rsa too
10:36<klando>(I use rsa, but dowkd tell me my key is weak)
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10:37<themill>^^ If anyone else feels like adding to that wiki page that would be grand....
10:37<klando>themill, is it okay to run it in a ssh-session ?
10:38<themill>klando: Your existing connection shouldn't be interrupted.
10:38<klando>good :-)
10:38<klando>let'zs go
10:38<klando>fortunely I also have a f..... server with sarge too (so one less to rework)
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10:39<kupson>petemc: Thank you very much. I will replace DSA keys for now and wait with RSA ones.
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10:40<petemc>seems theres some ambiguity over whether they're safe or not
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10:46<klando>what kind of files are suggested to be checked by ? (about bind or other things)
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10:48<ircMonkey>How to burn a iso image. I've got a "written data in track 1 differs from original" with k3b, and only one empty cd remaining
10:49<padski>ircMonkey, k3b has always just worked for me.
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10:51<padski>ircMonkey, don't know if it helps, but
10:51<ircMonkey>padski: DAO|TAO|raw?
10:51<padski>ircMonkey, you have permission to write to the device ?
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10:52<ircMonkey>it did write; it is the verification that failed
10:52<klando>regenrating rsa key keep dowkd thinking it is a weak key ....
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10:53<Wesley>Allright i'm trying to install debian (etch) with netinst. - two SATA disks connected to one raid card - and one IDE disk. For some reason the CD-ROM is not detected. USB is giving me problems aswell and this is taking me 7 days just to install debian now. any suggestions how to boot from the cd-rom, how to make it work?
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10:55<klando>Well, regenerate rsa or dsa key with a 0.9.8g-10 openssl still provide weak keys, any tips ?
10:55<klando>ahem :-/
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11:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:15<themill>klando: as tested by
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11:17<themill>klando: I don't trust that utility as far as I can throw it...
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11:17<klando>themill, well, how to know if the key is vulnerable so ?
11:18<themill>klando: with crypto things, you either have paranoia, blind faith or a degree in higher mathematics ... your choice :)
11:18<klando>just keygen with correct openssl, and pray ?
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11:25<klando>themill, ssh-keygen make a good key (as said by on etch but *not* on sid
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11:26<themill>klando: is this reproducible?
11:26<klando>I try to purge openssl in the case I kept some trash files
11:26<klando>ah no, no purge posible :-D
11:27<OdyX>For the unstable distribution (sid) and the testing distribution
11:27<OdyX>(lenny), these problems have been fixed in version 0.9.8g-9.
11:27<OdyX>sid: openssl 0.9.8g-10
11:27<OdyX>Sid's not affected _anymore_
11:27<klando>OdyX, I have the most updated one
11:27<OdyX>the Security advisory says its corrected..
11:28<OdyX>I am confident in their say
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11:28<klando>yes, sure .....
11:29<themill>OdyX: in which case you are confidently asserting that the tool they have provided for testing keys is producing lots of false positives...
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11:30<klando>probably the best things is to mail .
11:30<OdyX>Another part to consider is the risk...
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11:33<klando>OdyX, yes, the risk is that I have my key on some sensible server (like other people probably)
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11:33<OdyX>your public key ? or your private ?
11:34<jesperj>It is not possible to enable LUKS encryption on a disc without losing the data on it right? I have to reformat to enable it and will lose all data on it?
11:34<klando>my public, but also 2 host with another private for special purpose
11:34<OdyX>jesperj: AFAIK, yes
11:34<klando>but, I am really far to be guru on crypto and all, and really not sure if it is a real risk
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11:34<OdyX>klando: make yourself sure that the version is upgraded to etch's security .
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11:35<OdyX>klando: the risk does not depend on the software and its internal security, but on the value ($$$) of the data on the server...
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11:36<klando>I suppose that I have to sign NDA because of that ...
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11:37<less>Risk assessment is key, yes.
11:37<OdyX>the risk is a human issue, not a technical one...
11:37<loopde>anybody good with dns ? kinda got a mess
11:37<less>What is the problem, loopde?
11:38<loopde>less: big network, got some dns server for a domain, and other dns server for other domain, how would domain a be able to basicaly use domain b dns , for accessing hosts internaly
11:38<loopde>i dont really know what/how to ask..
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11:38<loopde>could use forwarder, works for host but breaks sending mail
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11:54<loopde>trhanks for trying to understand less
11:54<loopde>preciate it :)
11:55<spotter>does anyone have an explanation on how to use ?
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11:55<OdyX>type it
11:55<spotter>if I run user spotter and it doesn't print anything, is it fine?
11:55<OdyX>you'll get the help..
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11:55<OdyX>I think so..
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11:56<spotter>how does one run it on ssl keys?
11:56<spotter>hmm, it doesnt it seems
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12:04<NinjaMan>does anyone know of a multi-threaded / url_rewrite_concurrency using redirector for squid? (one I can convert to use as an ad filtering tool)
12:05<themill>spotter: chops on had made some modifications to to handle pem files. You could ask him what state they are in.
12:05<less>If anyone does, I'd be interested in hearing about it, NinjaMan. ;-)
12:06<berto>«It is strongly recommended that all cryptographic key material which has been generated by OpenSSL versions starting with 0.9.8c-1 on Debian systems is recreated from scratch.»
12:06<klando>themill, it seems that another package interact with
12:07<themill>! dsa1571
12:07<dpkg>it has been said that dsa1571 is due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (those generated with openssl versions 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). please see and for more information
12:07<themill>berto: ^^
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12:07<themill>klando: what do you mean?
12:07<klando>well, if I upgrade *only* openssl I keep with bad keys, but if I upgrade ? package it turn good ...
12:08<NinjaMan>less: yeah, I figure if I can convert adzapper to that kind of redirector model, I would get a nice performance gain
12:08<klando>I don't know which package atm
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12:09<less>A performance gain on a busy Web server is gold.
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12:09<themill>klando: how are you testing this (specific commands; use a pastebin if necessary)
12:09<klando>themill, I am finishing the test case
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12:10<klando>I wonder if it is not an issue with restart vs stop/start
12:10<klando>of ssh
12:11<less>Wanna know for sure klando? Just try it out.
12:11<less>Best way to gather knowledge in my experience. ;-)
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12:16<klando>libssl0.9.8 need to be upgraded too
12:16<klando>themill, so finally I have the answer
12:17<themill>klando: ahh that doesn't surprise me. You probably want to upgrade everything that is in the source package of openssl.
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12:18<klando>themill, yes, but as the DSA is not explicit, I have first upgrade *only* one thing, (and my laptop is sid, so the security upgrade .... )
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12:19<themill>klando: DSAs only refer to source packages; the links for upgrading the .debs by hand include all of the binary packages from that source package.
12:20<klando>damn ! /me escape
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12:21<themill>klando: :)
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12:27<padski>why can't my mutt sort properly :-(
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12:29<fxiny>sorting what ?
12:29<padski>messages in an mbox
12:29<less>What is proper sorting? What exactly is the problem?
12:30<padski>I try to sort using "oo". The first o brings up the prompt "Sort (d)ate/(f)rm/(r)ecv/(s)ubj/t(o)/(t)hread/(u)nsort/si(z)e/s(c)ore/s(p)am?"
12:31<padski>the second selects "to"
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12:31<berto>it works ok
12:31<padski>I can see the order of the messages change, but they don't seem to be sorted by to much more than before. it used to work on an older mutt.
12:31<padski>berto, it works for you ?
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12:32<berto>padski: which version are you using? there used to be a sorting problem some time ago
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12:32<padski>berto, etch
12:32<padski>berto, 1.5.13-1.1etch1
12:32<less>We are speaking different versions? There might lay the answer...
12:33<OdyX>'night guys
12:33<padski>sure, but it is the current release.
12:34<padski>there is a version of mutt-patched in backports.
12:35<padski>sorry, there is a version of mutt too.
12:35<padski>I'll try that.
12:35<berto>this is the bug
12:36<berto>Subject: Bug#196545: fixed in mutt 1.5.15+20070608-1
12:36<berto>then the etch version is affected
12:36<padski>berto, yes, thanks!
12:36<berto>if you don't find a backport, you have a patch in that bug report
12:37<padski>berto, I just found there is a backport in etch-backports
12:37<berto>cool :)
12:37<fxiny>padski: set sort=threads , date-received sent , sort=threads score , set score_threshold_flag=700 , set sort_aux=score >> score '~f' 500
12:37<padski>fxiny, what will that do ?
12:39<fxiny>padski: sort . i sort scoreres cause i have some 60 and more scores like for or or : score '~s vulnerability' 70
12:40<padski>fxiny, thanks, that is interesting, I could use something like that :-)
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12:42<padski>superb, that does the trick.
12:42<padski>Now, how can I make it sort on the actual email address between the <>, not the bit in front ?
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12:44<Irini1>morning all
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12:47<Irini1>I'm attempting to do a debian net install on this system, (Dual booting with windows XP) and when the installer gets to the point of configuring network devices, it states that it can't find my Nforce4 network card, the Nvidia website says that using the forcedeth driver should work, however the installer continues to loop back to no network devices found. have any of you experienced this, or have any ideas on how to fix the proble
12:47<fxiny>padski: i keep hooks and scores in ~./.mutt/.privrc . for example : folder-hook debian-security-announce set sort=date-received
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12:48<padski>"forcedeth" ?
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12:48<themill>Irini1: you might need a newer kernel to get forcedeth to work properly
12:48<padski>ah! forced eth, not force deth :-)
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12:48<Irini1>I'm using the current stable etch release
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12:49<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
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12:51<fxiny>padski: this is wat a score does setting 500 for any @debian mail : 14 L 05/12 [500] dann frazier 483 [SECURITY] [DSA 1575-1]
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12:54<fxiny>padski: mutt knows how to add . i set 100 for "broken" keyword so i have a pretty 600 as in : 86 sL 05/13 [600] Cyril Brulebois 42 Re: Broken link on Debian CVE . :))
12:54<fxiny>mutt rulez :P
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13:01<Irini1>thanks themill, I'll give it a shot. Hopefully when I talk to you next it will be from linux
13:02<themill>Irini1: good luck :)
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13:07<Israel>dpkg: what are you?
13:07<dpkg>I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot>
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13:13<ranix>ack openssh
13:13<ranix>ack openssl
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13:14<ranix>I have a lot of keys to regenerate :(
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13:16<fxiny>ranix: i can do it for you :P
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13:19<Xenguy>Hi, I'd like to verify the perl script '' that I just downloaded. Do I use 'gpg --verify' to do this? If yes, can someone provide sample syntax (I'm getting confused by the man page). Lastly should I verify against the gzipped '' or can I verify against the gunzip'd '' ?
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13:25<fxiny>Xenguy: gpg --verify
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13:25<Xenguy>fxiny: tx very much!
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13:26<fxiny>Xenguy: np
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13:38<Irini1>themill, should I just be burning that image to disc and booting from it?
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13:46<Sequencer>everyone seen this:
13:46<Sequencer>very bad.
13:46<erKURITA>yes, it's old news
13:46<fxiny>already fixed
13:47<fxiny>subscribe to
13:47<Sequencer>doesn't matter. every ssh key and ssl pem you created while it was a problem needs to be regenerated now.
13:47<Sequencer>the apt-get update is just the beginning...
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13:50<berto>are ssh keys affected as well ?
13:50<berto>and pgp keys ?
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13:50<Sequencer>yes ssh, no pgp.
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13:51<Sequencer>you have to ssh-keygen every key you have, including ones that were made by package installs automatically. also, you need to recreate every ssl certificate.
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13:52<Sequencer>the apt-get update only gives you the software you need to be able to do that meaningfully. :(
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13:53<themill>Sequencer: we're well aware of that.
13:53<Sequencer>i'm just bitching. it's not supposed to be new information. arg...
13:54<kop>What channel (or ?) should I ask on to find a domain registrar that does not suck or promote worldwide suckage?
13:54<Sequencer>sorry...not a good day.
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13:56<themill>Sequencer: hasn't been for any of us.... those who are volunteering here to help people are copping it three times (1) for our own machines that need a little more love than usual, (2) from people coming in here to get help with this and (3) from people bitching about it, many of whom have been much much ruder than you have been :(
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13:57<fxiny>vultures over the hills ...
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14:02<TiEuAM>i don't understand for compile mysql 5 serveur, there are a "/Docs" in with another Makefile, when i compil, it say : "config.status: error: cannot find input file: Docs/"
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14:05<TiEuAM>i hav try to copy and in /Docs and this error result : " cd .. && /bin/sh /usr/local/src/mysql-dfsg-5.0-5.0.32/missing --run automake-1.9 --foreign Makefile /usr/local/src/mysql-dfsg-5.0-5.0.32/missing: line 52: automake-1.9: command not found"
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14:07<TiEuAM>forgot, i try mysql-5.0.51b source
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14:12<klh>plop Mastroquet
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14:13<Mastroquet>plop indeed klh ;)
14:13<Mastroquet>hi all
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14:16<Sequencer>themill: you misunderstood. i'm bitching about *it*...not at *you*.
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14:17<themill>Sequencer: no, I understood. It's just that with lots of #3 going on (particularly on it's been hard to actually support users today. The signal:noise is even worse than usual....
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14:19<Sequencer>it's kind of a nightmare considering that it affects even keys generated by your end users in their home directories... how do you tell every user you have that all their keys have been no good for the last two years? argh...again, i'm not mad at anybody here.
14:19<dondelelcaro>you just move them away, and send them an e-mail message explaining what they need to do
14:20<dondelelcaro>not really a big deal
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14:27<Woet>I want people to be able to login with 'root' from every IP, but only from for all the other users
14:27<Woet>is this possible?
14:27<jthomas>I am trying to build KMediaFactory v0.5.2.4 on Lenny and it won't configure, complaining that my ImageMagick 6.3 doesn't qualify for the >=6.0 dependency. Any tips?
14:27<themill>Woet: do you mean the opposite?
14:28<Woet>exactly like I said
14:28<E0x>WTF ?!
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14:28<Woet>I know it sounds weird, but I really do need it
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14:28<E0x>i dont how do i t , but i can asking for what do you need it ?
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14:29<Woet>that will take me about 10 minutes to explain, and it wont help you or me at all.
14:30<valdyn>Woet: you dont need this
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14:30<Woet>what I just said is what I need, i dont really care how it will work
14:30<E0x>Woet: ok , no problem
14:30<cahoot>wouldn't key-based-only login do the job?
14:30<Woet>mind explaining me?
14:30<valdyn>Woet: run more than 1 ssh daemon
14:30<Woet>i heard about a keyfile once
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14:31<E0x>ssh connection from localhost dont have sense
14:31<valdyn>uh yea, so just one
14:31<E0x>why you need ssh to a server that you already are login
14:31<Woet>E0x: PHP needs to login using SSH with certain users.
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14:32<valdyn>valdyn: man sshd_config, see "AllowUsers"
14:32<valdyn>Woet: man sshd_config, see "AllowUsers"
14:32<Woet>I know
14:32<E0x>i don't if you can do a user/ip filter
14:32<Woet>but I want everyone to be able to be login from localhost
14:32<Woet>and only root from every IP
14:32<Woet>so allowusers wont do the trick.
14:32<valdyn>Woet: why would you need ssh locally?
14:33<valdyn>Woet: i know that you dont
14:33<Killing_Frost>Hello. Anyone know a command that can delete the first "x" lines from a text file, and/or the last "x" lines of the file, leaving the middle?
14:33<valdyn>Woet: why would "php need ssh", thats silly
14:33<Woet>I need to login into SSH to start certain processes under certain users
14:33<valdyn>Woet: geez
14:33<valdyn>Woet: you dont need ssh to just log in
14:33<themill>Killing_Frost: see head and tail. Or you can use sed.
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14:34<valdyn>Woet: anyway you can still run 2 ssh daemons just to do this silly thing
14:34<Woet>mind explaining me?
14:34<themill>Woet: how about just using "su"?
14:34<E0x>or sudo
14:34<Woet>and how to use su with just 1 line?
14:34<Woet>su username password
14:34<Woet>isnt possible.
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14:34<akadna>hi there
14:35<akadna>I got a problem with my apache / file permissions, can anyone help me ?
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14:35<Woet>isnt it possible combining allowusers with allowhosts?
14:35<themill>Woet: but how are you planning to get around that problem with ssh?
14:35<Killing_Frost>Thank you. Will have to puzzle that oneout. Already know head and tail, and sed is the wrong tool, I think...
14:35<Woet>themill: thats my question.
14:35<themill>Woet: no, the password entry problem
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14:35<Woet>i just use
14:35<valdyn>Woet: why are you thinking you need ssh to log in locally?
14:35<Woet>valdyn: once again
14:36<Woet>[20:34:34] <Woet> I need to login into SSH to start certain processes under certain users
14:36<valdyn>Woet: ssh is not the right way to "start certain processes under certain users" locally
14:36<Woet>what is the right way then?
14:36<Woet>using PHP.
14:36<valdyn>Woet: sudo does it
14:36<themill>Killing_Frost: tail -n +10 will give you from line 10 onwards
14:36<Woet>PHP doesnt know 'sudo'
14:36<themill>Woet: what do you mean "doesn't know"?
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14:37<Woet>show me a php script where it can login using sudo?
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14:38<themill>Woet: take a step back from your problem for us.... what are you actually trying to achieve here? what's you're end goal?
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14:38<valdyn>themill: he only wants to change uid in php
14:38<Woet>i dont.
14:38<valdyn>themill: and he thinks that he needs ssh to login and run programs
14:38<Woet>i got lets say, 20 users. they all have their root (/home/username/), in their home directory, there is a file, which I want to execute (./file) under that user using PHP.
14:39<themill>Woet: Does it have to be PHP through the webserver or can it be php-cli?
14:39<Woet>has to be throught the webserver.
14:39<akadna>Somebody here that knows how to allows apache to change file not owened by 'nobody' ?
14:40<dondelelcaro>akadna: have the files writable by www-data or whatever group apache is running as
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14:41<akadna>apache is running by 'www-data'
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14:43<akadna>but I got another user uploading get apache permissions to write to this files?
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14:43<themill>Woet: I still can't envisage what you are trying to do or why.
14:43<valdyn>!sticky bit
14:43<dpkg>rumour has it, sticky bit is the "t" bit on /tmp. When set on a directory, it means that users cannot unlink anyone else's files (and a few other things). It has no effect on files in any modern Unix.
14:44<valdyn>!wikifaq akadna Permissions
14:44<dpkg>akadna: check out or if that doesn't work, try
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14:46<akadna>Iknow about file permissions, but the problem is how to get apache write permissions to the new files I just uploaded
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14:53<Irini1>alright, I'm still having problems getting my NIC recognized by the debian netinstall, I've tried with both the default Debian cd and the custom that was recommended to me earlier, neither worked. :( This site is recommending a kernel option 'skip-timer-override' should this be passed at the debian netinstall splash screen?
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14:55<valdyn>akadna: how is that upload done?
14:55<Woet>themill: I cant make it more clear
14:55<Woet>20 users. they all have their root (/home/username/), in their home directory, there is a file, which I want to execute (./file) under that user using PHP.
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14:56<themill>Woet: are you going to visit http://yourmachine/~username/file.php and give the username and password each time? Is ./file a php script? Does the user need to be able to do this at any time they want or is this a routine management task that you're talking about? There's plenty more detail you can offer.
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14:58<Woet>themill: People go to my website, and they press a button. Then PHP logins into SSH, and starts up that file with nohup under their user.
14:59<Woet>and ./file can defer, it just needs to get started
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14:59<themill>Woet: and they type in their username and password to php to do this?
14:59<Woet>no, but I know their username/password
14:59<MES>Woet not easy because php (apache) is running as user www-data (in debian)
14:59<Woet>MES: I already made it.
15:00<Woet>by using
15:00<MES>Woet ah, cool
15:00<Woet>but now I want to secure it, root should be accessable from everywhere, all the other users only locally (from my script, which is
15:00<themill>Woet: sudo sounds like the perfect tool for it then. no ssh required
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15:00<Woet>themill: such thing doesnt exist for PHP
15:01<themill>what do you mean by doesn't exist for php?
15:01<valdyn>Woet: it does not need to exist "for php"
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15:01<valdyn>Woet: you can run sudo like you run "./file"
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15:01<Woet>but how does the script get access to that file?
15:01<Woet>it needs to login some way.
15:01<valdyn>Woet: it does not need to log in
15:01<Woet>it does?
15:02<Woet>I cant sudo just into any user
15:02<Woet>except when im root, and thats kinda insecure.
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15:02<Woet>(having my root password somewhere in a .php file)
15:02<themill>Woet: system('/usr/bin/sudo -c username ~/file'); use visido to give permissions for www-data to sudo to those users for that command.
15:02<s_i_m>Woet, man sudoers
15:02<E0x>Woet: in sudo you can config what kind of things can't do X user o X group that need root permission
15:02<MES>Woet may be its better to use pub keys in a php-readable /etc file
15:03<themill>Enough on using ssh to do something that can be done locally!
15:03<valdyn>i'd rather set up sudo properly than maintain 20 ssh keys
15:03<valdyn>( and that does not even mention the overhead )
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15:07<s_i_m>Woet, after all, do not forget to give us the URL of your site :)
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15:07<iobound>hello, do i need to generate new ssl certs for my dovecot + postfix imaps/pops/smtps server due to dsa1571 and where can I find info on this?
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15:08<valdyn>iobound: you do
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15:08<valdyn>iobound: if your old cert was self signed you can just delete the dovecot.pem and dpkg-reconfigure dovecot-common
15:08<dondelelcaro>!simple ssl cert
15:09<dondelelcaro>!self-signed ssl key
15:09<dpkg>openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt;
15:09<iobound>ah thanks (although i prefer -days 9999)
15:09<dondelelcaro>well, you can't quite use that
15:09<iobound>why not
15:09<dondelelcaro>since the days are stored in a 32 bit number
15:09<iobound>i think i've done that before, but i can't remembe
15:10<dondelelcaro>I think 9999 may still work, but it's going to stop working soon
15:10<iobound>really? even if it lists expiry date somewhere in year 2034?
15:10<dondelelcaro>2037 is the magic year
15:11<iobound>well my old cert lists 2034
15:11<dondelelcaro>yeah; it just can't be any older than 2037
15:11<iobound>say, would the broken openssl mean commercially bought/signed certs are broken too? if you generated the cert req on a vulnerable box
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15:11<dondelelcaro>iobound: in theory, yes.
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15:11<dondelelcaro>or at least, aren't as strong as they should be
15:11<padski>9999 would be around 2035/36 ?
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15:12<dondelelcaro>padski: right
15:12<iobound>padski makes sense, it's been a while since i made the cert
15:12<iobound>i noticed ubuntu is shipping some sort of openssh-blacklist and a ssh-vulnkey tool, is that going to be available for etch as well? looks like they streamlined the upgrade
15:13<themill>dondelelcaro: is there any clarification on whether this affects RSA keys too? The DSA only talks about DSA keys in detail.
15:13<dondelelcaro>iobound: yes
15:13<dondelelcaro>themill: yes
15:13<dondelelcaro>themill: it's just worse for DSA keys
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15:14<iobound>ok thanks for the info guys.
15:14<padski>yeah, 2035 right now.
15:14<themill>dondelelcaro: Ahh... There's a lot that isn't really mentioned in DSA 1571-1 then (e.g. about treating all passwords as being compromised as the debian project is doing)
15:14<iobound>is there an ETA for the rollover page
15:14<dondelelcaro>themill: part of that is because the project tends to over-react
15:15<themill>dondelelcaro: :)
15:15<dondelelcaro>(and also, it's no big deal for all of the passwords to go away, since we just send a gpg signed mail and get new ones)
15:15<padski>rightly so
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15:15<themill>dondelelcaro: Not mentioning RSA certs is a bit confusing though. There have been lots of questions about that and it's been hard to find answers.
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15:16<dondelelcaro>themill: yeah; the main problem is that the random number generator wasn't adding more random entropy after the initial seed
15:16<dondelelcaro>themill: so keys are potentially less-strong than they should have been
15:16<padski>couldn't this be caught by a test suite ?
15:16<themill>dondelelcaro: Indeed, but without each user going through the source code in detail, it's not evident whether this was just the DSA-cert generating code or all randomness generation.
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15:17<dondelelcaro>themill: it's all addition to the randomness pool
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15:17<iobound>to exploit the vuln, the attacker needs to get ip packet captures, right?
15:18<s_i_m>btw, what was the reason for that "debian-specific change" at all?
15:18<dondelelcaro>iobound: enough to predict which key is in use
15:18<mike>Hi! I need help... After updating kbd driver i can't change keyboard layout.. Xorg.conf doesn't change. Why?
15:18<iobound>so if i'm confident i've never had any packets captured, there's no risk?
15:18<dondelelcaro>s_i_m: a related bug in openssl which was using uninitialized memory
15:18<themill>s_i_m: look at
15:19<themill>iobound: There's which has some details for you on regenerating certs. If you could stick in the details of anything that you need that is currently missing as you go, that would be grand :)
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15:19<iobound>themill i can try, thanks
15:19<dondelelcaro>themill: the issue with DSA keys is that they all should be regenerated if they were used with a Debian machine
15:19<themill>iobound: great. thanks. I don't deal with dovecot etc so I can't add in those sections myself.
15:19<iobound>themill uhh the page is immutable
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15:19<themill>iobound: it is?
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15:20<themill>iobound: you might need to create a wiki account first.
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15:21<iobound>how do i get a fingerprint out of a ssh key, ssh-keyscan isn't cooperating
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15:23<iobound>ah, ssh-keygen -l -f /path/to/file
15:23<iobound>argh why is ssh-keyscan so useless
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15:25<mike>Is any body able to help?
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15:26<padski>iobound, is ssh-keyscan meant for network scanning ?
15:26<iobound>i guess it is
15:26<ircMonkey>I've done a brand new installation of lenny; considering the x-server part I've only installed the metapackage xorg, and kdebase package; I've done dpkg-reconfigure x-server; however the screen turns blank suspended when I do startx. Any idea why?
15:26<Woet>themill: You just told me 'system('/usr/bin/sudo -c username ~/file');'
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15:26<Woet>what if I want to execute: 'cd /home/bla && screen -mds moo ./file'
15:26<Woet>? *
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15:27<themill>Woet: then you'd be better off sticking that whole thing inside a script so you can do just the one call. Alternatively, look at man sudo where it has examples of how to invoke sh as the target of sudo with an argument list to sh.
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15:28<themill>dondelelcaro: Am I right in saying that this all boils down to openssl relying on malloc() returning random bits, and this was removed to remove "uninitialised variable" warnings.
15:29<dondelelcaro>themill: no; that part of the fix is right
15:30<dondelelcaro>themill: the problem is that the first call to buf shouldn't have been commented out
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15:30<TiEuAM>is it so dangerous to compile application with CFLAGS="-05 -march=nocona -pipe" ?? (processor intel core2 64, 4go ddr2)
15:30<dondelelcaro>why would you bother?
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15:31<dondelelcaro>if the application is running slowly, examine the algorithms responsible, and fix them.
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15:42<iobound>themill: here's what i did for my postfix + dovecot setup:
15:42<themill>iobound: sure.. I'll add it; use a pastebin if necessary
15:42<iobound>themill: cd /etc/ssl/private; openssl genrsa 1024 > mysite.pem; cd /etc/ssl/certs; openssl req -new -key ../private/mysite.pem -x509 -days 9999 -out mysite.pem
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15:42<iobound>themill: then /etc/init.d/postfix stop; /etc/init.d/postfix start; /etc/init.d/dovecot stop; /etc/init.d/dovecot start
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15:43<iobound>themill: this asummes that postfix and dovecot points to the mysite.pem files in certs and private as appropriate
15:43<themill>iobound: does dovecot look for keys in that location by default?
15:43<iobound>themill: at least this caused thunderbird to ask me to accept a new cert
15:43<iobound>themill: none of them probably looks in that location by default, and i'm not sure why i have two files with the same name, but one is the private key and the other is the cert
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15:44<iobound>now i just gotta remember the openssl voodoo arguments i need to convert the public cert to a format my nokia phone can understand :)
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16:08<iobound>does anyone know if the encfs FUSE crypto filesystem is also affected by DSA 1571 ?
16:09<iobound>(i.e. do i need to recreate and re-encrypt 600 gb of data...)
16:09<iobound>and what about LUKS?
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16:09<oompa_loompa>is there any dbdesigner clone available for etch?
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16:10<cortana>iobound: encfs depends on libssl0.9.8 so it looks possible
16:10<iobound>themill: got any idea about encfs or luks/cryptoloop/whatever crypto tool the etch installer offers for full disk encryption?
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16:10<themill>iobound: nfc
16:10<MES>iobound: Luks works nice...
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16:11<iobound>MES: even without DSA-1571
16:11<MES>iobound: mom
16:11<MES>iobound: moment please
16:11<iobound>ah ok
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16:13<MES>iobound: "LUKS will always use SHA1 in HMAC mode [...] ", whatever that means
16:14<cortana><glandium> cortana: LUKS fortunately doesn't use openssl
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16:14<iobound>but encfs is maybe busted?
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16:15<iobound>the fallout from this bug is incredible
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16:18<cortana>i find it quite credible really :)
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16:19<lucca>one of the debian mirrors for ( is running Microsoft IIS 6.0
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16:20<lucca>hm, no
16:20<lucca>something mirroring them
16:20<lucca>very very strange
16:20<iobound>it's just fake isn't it
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16:21<lucca>iobound: no
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16:23<icwiener>Hi, I have a question about the ssl key re-creation wiki page. What might be the reason for "gpg --verify" failing?
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16:24<themill>icwiener: how does it fail? can you pastebin the output?
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16:24<icwiener>themill: Just "publich key not found"
16:25<cortana>icwiener: you need the public key of the guy who made the signature
16:25<cortana>e.g., gpg --keyserver --recv-keys KEYID
16:25<themill>icwiener: ahhh.... or you can install the debian-keyring package
16:25<cortana>oh is the key in there? nice
16:25<themill>cortana: should be...
16:25<icwiener>cortana: Ah, ok. I see. I suspected him being in the debian-keyring package. :)
16:26<cortana>i was gonna say, if you can't verify that the key isn't owned by him, then it doesn't really help much
16:26<icwiener>Oh, I have that package installed.
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16:27<icwiener>Wait, no... I have the debian-archive-keyring installed. I try the other one now. :)
16:27<panagos>hello, i installed jackd, libjack0 and qjackctl on my amd64 machine, but i'm experiencing serious clipping problems with it... the qjackctl messages window displays an error even 1-2 seconds! sound works otherwise normally though, e.g. when using amarok with the alsa backend
16:27<cortana>icwiener: brace for keyring bloat
16:28<panagos>** every 1-2 seconds
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16:29<valdyn>panagos: xruns?
16:29<panagos>valdyn: yes, e.g. "**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.050 msecs"
16:30<valdyn>panagos: thats the default pretty much, using jackd
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16:30<valdyn>panagos: why use jackd?
16:31<panagos>valdyn: for ardour at least :D and for experimenting in general
16:31<valdyn>panagos: its made for very low latency audio, hence the xruns
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16:31<lucca>i installed a new perl from sid, but it won't configure until perl-modules is... and perl-modules won't configure until perl is
16:31<valdyn>panagos: you can run it as root / with realtime priority / increase buffer size
16:32<valdyn>panagos: and / or on a special realtime kernel
16:32<icwiener>cortana: Didn't work. Is 02D524BE the right fingerprint? It canot be found on keyservers.
16:32<lucca>so beware sid perl for the moment
16:32<Double>hey guys everytime i use ffmpeg to convert the an flv file to a mp4 it gives me a 100 erros saying unrecognized codec
16:32<panagos>valdyn: aha, i'll try :|
16:32<valdyn>panagos: but xruns at default settings in debian is what everone gets
16:32<themill>icwiener: "gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 02D524BE" should work just fine
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16:33<Double>evertime i use ffmpeg to convert a flv to mp4 it gives a 100 errors saying unrecognized codec
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16:33<icwiener>themill: Interesting. --search-keys didn't work.
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16:34<Double>used ffmpeg to convert flv to mp4 does not work, 100 errors -> unsupported codec or something of that sort
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16:34<MES>Double we got it!
16:35<valdyn>Double: ffmpeg supports flv since when?
16:35<Double>i can
16:35<valdyn>Double: mencoder should work
16:35<icwiener>themill: Is it possible that the "username" is too much here: perl user username ?
16:35<themill>icwiener: that works too
16:35<Double>i'll try that
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16:37<icwiener>themill: What's the difference between "user" and "username" then?
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16:37<Double>valdyn -> it says cannot find package
16:37<themill>icwiener: you can do "perl user icwiener" to check one user, or "perl user" to check all.
16:37<dpkg>i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
16:37<valdyn>Double: ^^^
16:38<Double>how to use debian multemedia?? <valdyn?
16:38<icwiener>themill: Ah! That's strange command line syntax. :)
16:38<valdyn>Double: dpkg told you
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16:39<Double>dkpg how to actually use it or install on of the packages?
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16:39<icwiener>themill: cortana: Thanks for your help. Worked now. :)
16:39<themill>icwiener: well... sort of. Ignoring the "perl" but, it's "command action arguments" which is the same format as all the openssl tools
16:40<themill>icwiener: no worries
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16:41<valdyn>Double: dpkg told you where to look for information, which part is not clear?
16:41<Double>how to install it
16:41<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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16:44<Double>sorry i am a nube and in know this must be getting annoying for you but i typed what dpkg said in the "" and then tried apt-blah and it still didnot work
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16:44<valdyn>Double: whats "apt-blah"
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16:44<Double>apt-get install mancoder
16:45<valdyn>Double: its mencoder
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16:48<panagos>how do i run a process with realtime priority?
16:48<panagos>and what are xruns? :)
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17:03<loopde>hmmmm whats this pandora gpx2 something.. hmmm
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17:09<jthomas>Why would the debian-multimedia repository get errors when sudo apt-get update on one machine, but not on another? their sources.list entries are identical. "Err lenny/main Packages"
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17:10<dpkg>Give us the WHOLE damn messsage you moron
17:10<jthomas>!Err lenny/main Packages
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17:10<witte>oopd, that was the wrong factoid
17:11<witte>i wanted dpkg to tell something about Err :-)
17:11<jthomas>yeah, sadly it doesn't want to :D
17:12<witte>jthomas: can you remove the /var/cache/apt/*.bin files, update, and try again
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17:12<witte>jthomas: only on your faulty machine
17:12<jthomas>ok thanks!
17:12<witte>jthomas: well, i am not sure it will help, but it wont hurt
17:13<jthomas>nope, no help
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17:16<witte>jthomas: and no other error messages, just err
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17:17<jthomas>oh yeas, others -- basically it cannot get the package.gz list
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17:17<witte>jthomas: can you wget the direct link?
17:17<witte>jthomas: and upload the entire message to a pastebin
17:17<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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17:18<jthomas>standard apt-get error, but it works just fine on my other box
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17:19<witte>jthomas: can you do "wget"
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17:20<jthomas>on the success-at-apt box I can, but not on the other
17:22<witte>can you ping from your failed box?
17:23<witte>are those machines in the same room, because it seems to be a dns or routing thing?
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17:23<jthomas>no, one is at work, one is at home. home box fails.
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17:24<witte>I have no idea what the fault is, can you try to use a mirror for debian-multimedia?
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17:26<jthomas>i've tried the France mirror but it just hangs on that box; work box does fine also on that one.
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17:30<witte>jthomas: sorry, cant help you any further on this one
17:31<witte>try to see how far you can go on the website (adding each time one directory of
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17:31<witte>maybe that will lead you to something
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17:36<jthomas>witte: with Links, I can get that whole URL; it offers to download the file
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17:37<witte>in that case wget should also be able to do that
17:37<jthomas>witte: since doing that tho, the apt-get update works :)
17:37<jthomas>no idea
17:37<jthomas>but thanks for the troubleshooting help
17:37<witte>i think it is dns related or so
17:38<jthomas>not sure at all, seems very strange to me tho
17:38<witte>jthomas: you are welcome, i have no real idea why it did not work, safe for some temporarily local network misconfiguration or something...
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17:38<jthomas>its been that way for a few days even :( But, now it worked and i was able to install the app i needed, thanks again
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17:43<k1lumin4t1>hey there
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17:44<k1lumin4t1>since last sunday Debian Testing won't upgrade on my pc
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17:44<k1lumin4t1>even thogugh I have the sources.list well setup and I'm doing aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
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17:45<hramrach>Is there any documentation that would explain how to make a Debina repo?
17:46<k1lumin4t1>hramrach, yes. But there are several ways of doig it
17:46<k1lumin4t1>hramrach, the one I've used and recommend is using debmirror
17:46<hramrach>It appears that either the howtos are all otdated ( as apt-ftarchive accepts options for creating different fields in Release than suggested in the howtos)
17:46<hramrach>or apt-ftparchive does the release wrong
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17:46<hramrach>either way it does not work for me.
17:46<k1lumin4t1>I haven't used apt-ftparchive, sorry
17:47<k1lumin4t1>I have used debmirror
17:47<k1lumin4t1>it creates a partial mirror of a whole branch/section
17:47<k1lumin4t1>or any combination you want
17:47<hramrach>I can download files but cannot sign the repo as my Release is always ignored by apt, without explanation
17:48<k1lumin4t1>debmirror has a well documented way of signing the repo
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17:48<k1lumin4t1>man are you actually reading me?
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17:48<hramrach>I will try to look at debmirror, thanks
17:48<maxb>How often does dinstall happen at the moment? claims 7:52 UTC am and pm, but it looks like the last run was 7:52 am, and there was no run at 7:52 pm
17:48<hramrach>It does not do what I want but if it explains signing ..
17:49<k1lumin4t1>what do you want to do?
17:49<hramrach>make a signed repo
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17:50<hramrach>so that apt soes not complain about unsigned packages *and* I can verify the sigs of the official packages
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17:51<k1lumin4t1>hramrach, debmirror does that
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17:51<k1lumin4t1>you can dld the keys using gnupg
17:51<dondelelcaro>maxb: that's when it runs, but it's probably going to be a bit delayed until the ssh keys are sorted out
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17:52<hramrach>k1lumin4t1: no, it does not. It mirrors the files unchaged so it does not need to sign. It only copies the signature and verifies it's still valid
17:53<maxb>Oh! So the openssh key blacklisting updates are delayed by the keys being disabled because of the vulnerability. Ironic, that :-)
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17:53<dondelelcaro>maxb: most likely, anyway; I'm not in charge of the archive, so I can't say for certain.
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18:02<RichiH>does anyone have a compromised 1024 or 2048 bit SSL cert for me? i need it to test a new version of
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18:03<tj>can anyone tell me how to install the newest java on sarge re:frostwire please
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18:03<witte>tj: you know that sarge is really, really old now?
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18:04<tj>not really whats latest
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18:05<chealer>!tell tj about releases
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18:06<ircMonkey>why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg hasn't asked me questions about my video card, neither /etc/X11/xorg.conf contains informations about it?
18:06<twb>ircMonkey: Xorg 7.3 autodetects such things.
18:07<tj>i best go check releases then thanks
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18:09<themill>RichiH: pem encoded cert or keypair?
18:10<RichiH>pem prefered
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18:10<RichiH>but as long as it is x509, i will beat it into shape
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18:11<themill>RichiH: I have a box that I've not yet patched that I can generate new keys for you if you want.
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18:14<themill>RichiH: (from penssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; and then accepting all defaults)
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18:22<RichiH>themill: looks good
18:22<RichiH>let me grab it
18:22<themill>RichiH: hmm... current version of doesn't complain about that pem
18:22<RichiH>themill: it can't
18:22<RichiH>it does not parse pem
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18:23<themill>RichiH: ssh-keygen -y -f server.key >; file
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18:26<Double>hey guys my ffmeg can't convert .flv to .mp4
18:27<Double>and i used a turorial so i entered everthin right
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18:28<Double>any one help?
18:30<witte>double "a tutorial"?
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18:31<Double>yeah \
18:31<Double>on wiki how
18:31<Double>it's not a syntax error
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18:31<Double>but a error that says some thing like "Unsupported codec"
18:31<Double>like a 100 times
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18:33<witte>Double: please provide the link to the page you used, and paste the complete error in a pastebin
18:33<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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18:33<Double>k one sec
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18:38<witte>Double: and do you need mp4? can you convert it to avi?
18:38<Double>mp4 is better
18:38<Double> is what it says
18:39<Double>and this is the tutorial
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18:40<ComradeP>about DSA 1571-1: I believe the information in the advisory is wrong; it states "For the unstable distribution [...], these problems have been fixed in version 0.9.8g-9", but that version is 6 days old, and even with the latest version the problem persists
18:40<ComradeP>can anyone else verify this? It's quite bad for people who upgrade openssl and then start changing keys everywhere if indeed it turns out the vulnerability isn't fixed yet..
18:41<@Ganneff>ComradeP: the dsa is right.
18:41<witte>Double: it seems that you do not have the codec to convert to mp4...
18:41<@Ganneff>ComradeP: upgrade openssl *and* libssl0.9.8
18:41<themill>ComradeP: you need to also upgrade the libssl0.9.8 package
18:41<themill>yeah, what he said
18:41<ComradeP>Ah, I see.
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18:41<Double>k how do i then get it <witte>
18:41<dpkg>[dsa1571] due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (those generated with openssl versions 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). please see and for more information For a more lighthearted approach:
18:42<Double><witte> do you know of the codec to install
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18:43<witte>Double: no, i don't
18:43<ComradeP>Would it make sense to backport Ubuntu's recent openssh-server patches ( -- essentially add a blacklist of weak keys and refuse connections for them; also, do a debconf-based host key regeneration if affected
18:43<Double>i'll try google again
18:43<themill>dpkg: dsa1571 =~s#
18:43<dpkg>themill: You are moron #3
18:43<witte>Double: try w32codecs
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18:43<themill>dpkg: fuck you
18:43<dpkg>no, fuck you
18:44<themill>dpkg: dsa1571 =~ s#
18:44<dpkg>OK, themill
18:44<Double>k witte
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18:45<witte>Double: but i think this is only for playing mp4, i'm not sure about converting...
18:46<Double>i can play mp4 but converting is the problem
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18:46<Bravewolf>I can't install Debian Lenny using dm-crypt to crypt /home. These are the screenshot of the error that appears and the partition scheme: Can you help me?
18:47<ircMonkey>when I do startx I've got nothing, the screen turns immediatly in suspend mode
18:48<ircMonkey>it's a new installation, I've got xorg installed
18:48<witte>!set up x
18:48<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome><install kde><install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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18:49<ircMonkey>dpkg: I've done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:49<dpkg>ircMonkey: I give up, what is it?
18:49<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
18:50<witte>ircMonkey: did you install a window manager or something like gdm?
18:50<ircMonkey>I've put in .xsession line to run an xterm
18:51<ircMonkey>witte: I did it before but it gave the same result so I resumed the installation for CD
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18:51<ircMonkey>I had kdebase and kdm installed
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18:51<ircMonkey>but nothing happend
18:52<ircMonkey>the screen turned in suspended mode
18:52<ircMonkey>it's turns off
18:52<Double>ok i can't find the codec needed to convert ffmpeg does anyone know??
18:52<dpkg>Get ffmpeg from the same place you get mplayer
18:52<ircMonkey>I would like to just have an xterm so that I could do it step by step
18:53<witte>ircMonkey: it seems that your resolution is not correct
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18:53<iw>I'm using sid, and I can't seem to figure out how to install the X.Org modules for my nvidia card. I have the kernel module installed ok, but it won't let me install nvidia-glx. Where can I get this module from?
18:53<Double>ok i can't find the codec needed to convert ffmpeg does anyone know??
18:53<ircMonkey>witte: I dit dpkg-reconfigure but it didn't set anything in xorg.conf about resolution
18:53<witte>ircMonkey: can you ctrl-alt-f1 to go to a terminal
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18:54<witte>ircMonkey: so it is not in suspend but rather it has an error while loading the X server
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18:55<witte>ircMonkey: can you upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin?
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18:55<themill>mentor: did you use the GUI or text edit tool for you update to the sslkey wiki page?
18:55<witte>!pastebin pipe
18:55<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
18:55<ircMonkey>witte: just the screen is suspended I mean I hear the sound 'click' when it goes in energy saving mode
18:55<witte>ircMonkey: do you understand what dpkg told about pastebin pipe?
18:55<mentor>themill: Text first, then GUI
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18:56<ircMonkey>witte: no
18:56<witte>ircMonkey: ok :-)à
18:56<mentor>themill: It conflicted on the first GUI run, so I reloaded.
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18:56<witte>ircMonkey: go to ctrl alt f1, log in, and aptitude install libwww-mechanize-perl
18:56<Double><witte> how other ways can i covert a flv to a file cause i tried to make it into a wmv and it gave me the same error
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18:57<themill>mentor: ahh... there were a lot of whitespace changes and I had wondered if the gui editor was doing that. The conflicts on that page are getting painful but with 15 edits in the last hour, that happens.... :(
18:57<witte>ircMonkey: next; wget
18:57<ircMonkey>witte: I didn't read it I understand now :)
18:57<witte>ircMonkey: ok :-)
18:57<witte>Double: why wmv?
18:57<mentor>themill: Is the backend MediaWiki?
18:57<dpkg>it has been said that wmv is : a Microsoft video format using proprietary technologies, partially reverse-engineered. support under Debian (without using non-free software) is limited.
18:58<Double>any thing man <witte?
18:58<witte>Double: avi?
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18:58<themill>mentor: nfi MonMoin I thought
18:58<Double>i did that too same error
18:58<mentor>Ah right
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18:59<witte>Double: ok, i will have a try, to convert it, let me find some nice flv on youtube :-)
18:59<mentor>Indeed, it says that usefully at the bottom
18:59<themill>mentor: :)
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18:59<mentor>themill: It feels a little rough
18:59<themill>mentor: the editor or the page?
18:59*mentor says in a general and useless way
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19:01<themill>Bloody hell... I only started work on that page 8 hours ago and it's already had 2400 hits. Not bad!
19:01<mentor>themill: moin moin
19:02<abrotman>themill: does it list the actually affected package versions? including the ones in lenny/sid ?
19:02<themill>abrotman: the DSA contains that information
19:02<abrotman>okay .. good enough
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19:03<Double>witte> hilary clinton fun
19:03<abrotman>themill: i read it so early this AM
19:03<abrotman>Double: wrong channel
19:03<themill>mentor: I've never used moinmoin much until today and I have to say that I'm not that impressed by it. I just don't like wiki formatting though... why do I have to go and find out how to do italics in this particular wiki when I already know how to do <i> ...
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19:04<ircMonkey>witte: I've been a little slow :)
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19:04<witte>Double: i just downloaded a random flv, and did ffmpeg -i test.flv test2.avi, and it worked
19:05<witte>Double: as did the conversion to mp4
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19:05<Double>let me try again
19:06<witte>Double: but i am using debian unstable, maybe the packages in etch are not new enough?
19:06<themill>Ahh... number of hits and edits on that wiki page have substantially increased since it ended up in /topic on #d-devel ... :)
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19:06<Double>probably i'm using the latest stable
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19:06<Double>forgot what it was
19:06<Double>is that why?
19:07<witte>Double: could be, not sure
19:08<Double>god dan it
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19:08<Double><witte> is it really that unstable
19:08<Double>oh well i am a nube so i'll just wait till it becomes a stable
19:08<witte>ircMonkey: what debian version are you running?
19:09<Double>thanks thou witte
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19:09<witte>Double: if you are a newby, it probably is
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19:09<ircMonkey>witte: lenny
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19:10<ircMonkey>do you want the past bin of the installed packages?
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19:10<witte>ircMonkey: i think it does not find a correct mode for your screen
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19:10<ircMonkey>what could I do?
19:11<ircMonkey>It was working before; it's just a new installation
19:11<witte>ircMonkey: or you can add a modeline to your xorg.conf
19:11<ircMonkey>I do it
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19:12<witte>ircMonkey: or you can add the HorizSync and VertRefresh
19:12<witte>ircMonkey: there are a bunch of modelines in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log that you can use
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19:13<ircMonkey>something I missunderstood :)
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19:14<witte> for some examples and explainations
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19:15<ircMonkey>What is that: Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device"?
19:16<witte>ircMonkey: for you, this could be a meaning full modeline: Modeline "1600x1200"x79.9 220.50 1600 1728 1896 2192 1200 1203 1207 1259 -hsync +vsync (100.6 kHz)
19:16<witte>identifier is just a name tag, you can change it to banana if you want, just do it all over your configuration file
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19:17<ircMonkey>witte: where do I put it in xorg.conf?
19:17<witte>ircMonkey: you add it in the monitor section
19:18<witte>but one should be enough to see if it is working
19:19<iw>I'm trying to install modules for my nvidia card, but debian won't let me install nvidia-glx (due to a dep. on nvidia-kernel-169.12, which can't be installed). I can't seem to find where to download the module, only the kernel module (which is installed and running).
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19:20<witte>iw: running etch?
19:21<iw>witte: lenny
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19:22<dpkg>[nvidia_post_etch] update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:23<themill>^^ where nvidia-kernel-source is from sid
19:24<witte>iw: there indeed seem to be some issues with nvidia:
19:24<iw>witte: i've done it on other computers i just couldnt remember the magic words
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19:25<iw>thanks a lot!
19:26<witte>iw: it works? great :-)
19:26<iw>it does
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19:26<iw> thanks!
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19:29<ircMonkey>witte: I have installed xdebconfiguration; then now I have "no screen found"; it's better
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19:30<ircMonkey>witte: during dpkg-reconfigure I also had a message telling me soethong was going wrong
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19:31<witte>ircMonkey: did you try just adding that one line to your xorg.conf.
19:34<ircMonkey>witte: no :) (i'll try now)
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19:35<themill>RichiH: if your patch isn't finding weak certs then your patch is doing the wrong thing because we know that openssl is weak :(
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19:36<RichiH>themill: read the whole thing
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19:37<themill>RichiH: Oh, and moronmoron requires spaces around the words between == in headings ;(
19:38<themill>RichiH: I think the comment from MarshRay a couple of paragraphs above might be on the money here.
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19:39<RichiH>themill: i know what are listed
19:39<RichiH>themill: fw told me he is not sure if the list is complete
19:39<RichiH>themill: i tested the certs as converted SSH keys, as well
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19:42<[SpA]SaintK>nick SaintK
19:44<ircMonkey>witte: I copied the section monitor from there because it is my monitor
19:44<ircMonkey>witte: would it do the job?
19:44<ircMonkey>witte: however I have the same error
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19:45<witte>ircMonkey: you need the modelines that are in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or here: :
19:46-!-[SpA]SaintK is now known as SaintK
19:46<SaintK>Good evening
19:46<witte>ircMonkey: just paste the one line that i told in your monitor section
19:48<SaintK>I have been searching, but i can't really find what i'm looking for. I am looking for a MS Exchange alternative for my Debian Etch install, outlook calendar etc should work on this server. Does anyone know what software package i should be looking for ?
19:48<witte>SaintK: evolution should be the thing you want
19:48<ircMonkey>witte: done. problem parsing the config file; no screen found
19:48<SaintK>witte: Thanks, i'll have a look at it!
19:49<witte>ircMonkey: upload the xorg.conf, probably there is a typo in it (or i pasted something wrong ;-))
19:49<SaintK>witte: You ment Evolution from Novell ?
19:50<RichiH>themill: did you test it against a few certs of yours?
19:51<witte>SaintK: don't know if it is from novel, it is normally in the gnome suite
19:52<witte>ircMonkey: ok, remove the (100.6 kHz) at the end of that line
19:52<witte>my fault
19:52<witte>SaintK: apt-cache show evolution
19:52<themill>RichiH: yeah, I've generated 100 keys and they all tested OK with the ssh-keygen method.
19:53<RichiH>define OK
19:53<ircMonkey>witte: done; same problem: prasing and no screen
19:53<themill>RichiH: as in doesn't call them weak. Even though they were generated with a weak version of openssl.
19:54<meisteris>good evening good debian ppl :)
19:54<ircMonkey>witte: changed "x79.9 to @79.9"
19:54<ircMonkey>witte: no parsing problem any more but stil no screen
19:54<RichiH>themill: not good
19:54<themill>RichiH: indeed.
19:54<witte>ircMonkey: ok, that was my next suggestion :(
19:55<ircMonkey>witte: sceen found but none have a usable configuration
19:56<witte>ircMonkey: can you try this one also: Modeline "1024x768"x75.1 78.80 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync
19:56<witte>with the @ and " correction
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19:57<witte>ircMonkey: which card do you have btw, normally the video cards are selected quite effectively
19:58<_dt_>after i login in via ssh my motd is shown twice, what did i do wrong?
19:58<meisteris>that whole xorg.cong looks too emty to me :/ (i mean the one u ppl are talking about) :)
19:58<SaintK>witte: thanks again
19:59<witte>meisteris: yes, in lenny everything gets autodetected and should work without much configuration (mind the should in this sentence)
19:59<themill>RichiH: what version of did you generate that patch against? (well... it doesn't have version numbers :S)
20:00<witte>gravity: what does f.t.w. mean?
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20:00<ircMonkey>witte: I put this line instead modeline  "1024x768@75" 78.8 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync
20:00<ircMonkey>witte: it is accepted but the screen is blank
20:00<ircMonkey>witte: nv (nbvidia)
20:00<witte>ircMonkey: and if you now try to start gdm/kdm?
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20:01<gravity>witte: "for the win"
20:01<gravity>Sorry, just basking in past achievements
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20:02<meisteris>ah, i see :) so me appy that i am using good old etch where is not THAT much automatic (:
20:02<SaintK>oups, witte, i think there's a miss communication, the Evolution package is a client one, not a server one as far as i can see?
20:02<witte>meisteris: it usually is quite good, but sometimes it doesn't
20:03<meisteris>yes evolution is client software, alternative to outlook or thunderbird or sylpheed
20:03<SaintK>I want to simulate an exchange server, so clients using outlook can use it asif it would be connecting to a normal exchange server
20:03<_dt_>noone can help me? :/
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20:04<themill>RichiH: don't worry... patch just got confused by the wiki messing with whitespace
20:04<RichiH>themill: whatever version was current when i grabbed it
20:04<ircMonkey>witte: why not?
20:04<themill>RichiH: yeah... a version number in there would be handy when it's changing with time
20:05<witte>SaintK: as meisteris said, it is a client, don't know about a server application
20:05<SaintK>witte: ok, thanks anyway
20:05<witte>ircMonkey: come again?
20:05<meisteris>by the way, would anyone tell me how do i get rid of that annoying thing in my system tray that keeps bugging me about automatic updates that i do not want? (: me using xfce
20:05<_dt_>*sigh* :(
20:06<vsmatck>Anyone know the details on that key generation random number thing? Does that mean that there's a known smaller possible answer space for keys?
20:06<witte>_dt_: probably you just load it twice
20:06<vsmatck>Like if you were looking at a distribution it'd be uniform but it'd have gaps in it?
20:07<witte>_dt_: for instance if you source a file twice...
20:07<dpkg>i heard dsa1571 is due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (those generated with openssl versions 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). please see and for more information For a more lighthearted approach:
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20:08<witte>vsmatck: i believe themill was working on it
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20:08<themill>What was I doing?
20:08<vsmatck>witte, ahh! the wiki has precisely the information I was looking for. Thanks much.
20:09<witte>themill: aren't you more aware on what was happening with the dsa1571 bug thing?
20:09<themill>witte: well somehow I've spent most of the day on it....
20:09<themill>witte: but pretty much everything I know I've put into the wiki page
20:09<ircMonkey>witte: last try
20:10<vsmatck>themill, thanks for fixing it bro. :)
20:10<_dt_>witte: where is the output of the motd done after login?
20:10<witte>themill: ok, but vsmatck seems already happy with the things you put on that wiki :-)
20:10<themill>witte: indeed ;)
20:10<witte>_dt_: sorry, don't know
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20:11<meisteris>wanna hear something nic about etch? (:
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20:13<lupine>meisteris: all ur DSA r belong to me?
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20:14<meisteris>:))) not sure about that, but today i installed debian on my old pentium 166mmx desktop and omg omg it works :O
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20:19<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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20:22<meisteris>(: is there a way to contribute to debian wiki for mortal volunteers? couse i see that it is quite empty compared to *buntu's or arch's ones
20:23<gravity>meisteris: What do you mean is there a way to contribute? Just get an account and get to work
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20:24<ircMonkey>witte: stil not working enough for today
20:24<witte>ircMonkey: what error do you get now in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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20:26<meisteris>gravity thanks, and sorry for being little clumsy atm (: (3:26am here)
20:27<gravity>meisteris: No problem
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20:36<themill>RichiH: 100 self-signed certs with made weak openssl all passed (i.e. not vuln) with both the ssh-keygen and with your patch to Driver/tester script at:
20:38<meisteris>btf there was some weird thign goin on while i was trying to boot debian from floppies, affter i booted 1st one, i was asked to put in root floppy, and when i did, it started to write trash like wrong sectos, no ext2 fs found and something like this, tried to redownload that 2nd floppy dozen of times and wrote it to many diferent isks but result allways the same :/
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20:40<twb>meisteris: is there a GOOD reason you're installing from floppies?
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20:40<meisteris>yes, becouse i have verry cute ibm think pad 600e
20:40<meisteris>and i do not have cd drive
20:41<meisteris>on ly floppy and this machine is not capable of booting from usb
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20:42<meisteris>ye, i do like ibm's :D
20:42<twb>meisteris: what about network install?
20:43<twb>I mean, linux 2.6 won't even fit on a floppy
20:43<meisteris>i was trying to do network install
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20:43<d1664d>meisteris; irrelevant distraction: do you prefer ibmx300 or ibmtoughbook?
20:43<twb>By "network install" I mean PXE booting, not just netinst.
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20:43<meisteris>ah, i am too big nab to do that
20:43<RichiH>themill: not good
20:44<themill>RichiH: no. Something spectacularly wrong with what is going on there.
20:44<themill>RichiH: I've turned off the cron-apt upgrade on that machine so we can look at it again later. (but for me, it's bedtime!)
20:45<meisteris>d166d i don't rly know about those, i only had ibm t30, t20 and now i have 600e and so far t20 is the favorite of mine, but i doubt that you could go wrong with x series :)
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20:52<twb>cron-apt doesn't install updates by default
20:52<twb>It just downloads them.
20:53<themill>twb: for a certain set of machines I have it set to automatically install as well (they face a local repo that gets fed updates by me manually)
20:53<twb>Ah, OK.
20:54<twb>How do you go about that, out of curiosity?
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20:55<meisteris>anyone tried to run ff3 on etch?
20:55<themill>twb: cat /etc/cron-apt/action.d/4-install
20:55<themill>dist-upgrade -y -o APT::Get::Show-Upgraded=true
20:57<meisteris>We're sorry, this application requires a version of the GTK+ library that is not installed on your computer.
20:57<meisteris>You have GTK+ 2.8.
20:57<meisteris>This application requires GTK+ 2.10 or newer.
20:57<meisteris>any ideas how?
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21:02<twb>themill: ah, I remember looking at that and thinking it was ubuntu-introduced idiocy/breakage
21:03<twb>meisteris: you are running Etch?
21:03<twb>meisteris: you are trying to install an evil unpatched upstream?
21:03<twb>A *binary* upstream?
21:03<themill>twb: Nah... useful for a lot of things. It's not installed by default.
21:04<meisteris>trying to use my favorite browser (ff3) x]
21:04<twb>themill: yeah, I know it's off by default.
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21:04<twb>meisteris: IMO anything that's bloated and user-oriented enough to have Xorg and Firefox installed doesn't need to be running stable.
21:05<d1664d>twb; what should it be running? explain that, I'm interested
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21:05<twb>d1664d: testing
21:06<d1664d>twb; big help, i'll be dist-upgrading asap
21:06<twb>That's just my opinion, of course.
21:06<d1664d>your opinion trumps my best judgement i would assure you
21:06<meisteris>i tried testing on gentoo ended up with broken system in less than week
21:07<twb>My rule of thumb is that if you want a mission critical server, you run stable; if you want a workstation you run testing.
21:07<twb>meisteris: "gentoo testing" and "Debian testing" aren't the same thing.
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21:08<meisteris>i am fairly new in debian world, so i don;t rly know that :)
21:08<witte>debian testing is quite stable, good enough for desktop usage in my opinion
21:08<witte>but stable is more stable of course
21:08<themill>Stable is not a moving target; testing is.
21:08<d1664d>thanks all; new laptop install here and I can't wait to make it ++
21:08<meisteris>and affter gentoo i am affraid of hal, and most of the "automatic" stuff :/
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21:10<vsmatck>Another SSL question. Does this bug mean there are roughly 2^16 possible private keys?
21:10<meisteris>and i mostly use my old ibm 600e which has 366mhz cpu, so i am quite happy with debian stable :)
21:11<twb>366MHz of what architecture? POWER4?
21:11<meisteris>pentium 2 :)))
21:11<vsmatck>I sort of want to know the impact of the SSL bug but I don't think I understand SSL well enough. Anyone happen to know a good IRC channel to ask questions about it?
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21:13<vsmatck>I think I've got a little knowledge that might make it possible for me to understand. I implemented diffie-hellman-merkle key exchange a few months ago.
21:13<vsmatck>and mathematically understand why it works. *shrugs*
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21:14<themill>vsmatck: at the moment, if you ask questions about it, people will probably think you are trolling.... perhaps leave it a little first.
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21:15<vsmatck>doh, I've been reading slashdot and reddit but I don't think anyone on either understands it. I know a professor who could probably explain it to me.
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21:18<meisteris>so what i am doing now is getting rid of anything unnecesary from my debian instalation :)
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21:25<kerneld>openssl DSA is nasty!
21:26<kerneld>any maliciousness in the wild on that?
21:26<themill>none known. /msg dpkg dsa1571
21:26<kerneld>just did it
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21:31<vook>anyone know off hand how to have apt-get install all packages listed in a file? I can't seem to find it in the man pages.
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21:32<twb>vook: apt-get install `cat x`
21:32<cwood>vook: apt-get install `cat /path/to/file`
21:32<cwood>Note backticks
21:33<nevyn>or $(cat /path/to/file) if you're using bash
21:33<nevyn>which is less ambiguous vs quotes
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21:34<vook>hmm, I'm getting "E: Couldn't find package Status" (from both commands)
21:34<vook>oh, wait, junk at beginning of file.
21:34<twb>apt-get install `sed /^#/d x` or something
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21:43<eljefe>In my KDE, a fat32 flashdrive is mounting w/o giving me any permissions; how can i fix this?
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21:44<Laeborg>this there any max connections in debian?
21:44<cwood>Usually the number of open filehandles on your system, I thought. But I don't really know.
21:44<twb>Laeborg: max connections to what?
21:45<Nemoder>eljefe: check the group permissions on the flashdrive mount then add your user to that group
21:45<Laeborg>if i have my bittorrent client open, sometimes my ethernet is going down
21:45<twb>That is probably because you are flooding the link.
21:46<Laeborg>what link?
21:46<eljefe>ls -la /media/ : everything is owned by root. Nemoder i don't want to add myself to root...
21:46<twb>The ethernet link.
21:46<twb>eljefe: typically one mounts with -o user=twb or -o umask=772 or something
21:46<Laeborg>well my bittorrent client is "updating tracker" every 30mins
21:46<Nemoder>eljefe: sounds like a configuration problem in KDE
21:47<eljefe>twb: this is the HAL automounting thing tho
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21:47<twb>eljefe: HAL is not responsible for automounting.
21:47<twb>eljefe: HAL merely reports the existence of new devices; some other program is responsible for mounting (say, gnome-mount).
21:48<eljefe>ok. then my KDE Daemon that automounts devices based on HALs signal any my choice to [Open in new window] is failing to give me read/write on my fat32 flash drive.
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21:51<Nemoder>perhaps it's the udev daemon
21:51<Nemoder>I've had issues configuring permissions with that myself
21:52<eljefe>well whatever, i did it manually as root and yada yada, done. thanks, see yas!
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22:07<doorknob60>i need help, i get an error when i try to mount: "mount: No medium found"
22:07<doorknob60>mount a cd i mean
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22:08<superjet_away>doorknob60: you mount wrong place?
22:09<doorknob60>nope, i did sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 and lots of other commands
22:09<doorknob60>and yes, hdc is my cd drive
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22:10<doorknob60>i have dmesg too 1 sec
22:10<doorknob60>hdc: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
22:10<doorknob60>hdc: packet command error: error=0x50 { LastFailedSense=0x05 }
22:10<doorknob60>ide: failed opcode was: unknown
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22:11<doorknob60>when i installed it yesterday, im pretty sure it worked fine because i used the cd as a repository and installed lots of packages with it
22:11<superjet_away>if it's cd audio, there is no need to mount, want to rip it?
22:12<Laeborg>where can I find Network Manager ?
22:12<doorknob60>no, just a regular data cd, happens with all cd's, even the debian one that i used as a repository restarday, so something must have gotten messed up
22:12<Laeborg>im usign Debian Etch and KDE
22:12<doorknob60>Laeborg: is network-manager-kde installed?
22:12<Laeborg>apt-get install ?
22:14<doorknob60>oh about my cd problem, i did apt-get upgrade today and it gave me a new kernel, and i noticed the problem after the upgrade, could that have caused the problem?
22:14<Laeborg>whats wrong with my apt-get ?
22:14<Laeborg>i also got '9 not upgradres'
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22:15<doorknob60>try an apt-get upgrade
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22:16<superjet_away>doorknob60: is hdc in /dev? dmesg | grep cd gives what?
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22:16<doorknob60>yeah hdc is in dev, and heres the command output
22:16<doorknob60>austin@austin-laptop:~$ dmesg | grep cd
22:16<doorknob60>ohci_hcd: 2005 April 22 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI)
22:16<doorknob60>ohci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: OHCI Host Controller
22:16<doorknob60>ohci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
22:16<doorknob60>ohci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: irq 5, io mem 0xfc000000
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22:18<doorknob60>meh stupid bot:P
22:18<Laeborg> - get this error when i try to install network-manager-kde
22:18<Laeborg>do i need to translate?
22:19<doorknob60>nah, it looks like the repository youre using doesnt like you, try a different one
22:19<Laeborg>should i just delete that mirror ?
22:19<doorknob60>or comment it
22:20<Laeborg>now i can't find the package
22:21<Lucky>Can somebody point me to the part of the OpenSSL code where the rest of the entropy is gathered even with the bug in place? I read that the only entropy gathered with the bug is the PID, but looking at the code it seems that the PID is fed into the pool first.
22:21<superjet_away>doorknob60: it seems that kernel doesn't find your cdroom, is an usb one?
22:22<doorknob60>no, its just a regular built in one in an ancient laptop (like 9 years old)
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22:22<doorknob60>worked fine in DSL and Fluxbuntu and I think it worked after the clean etch install as well
22:23<Laeborg>any mirrors where i can find network-manager-kde?
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22:24<doorknob60>this one should have it:
22:25<doorknob60>thats whats i use and got no problems with it
22:26<doorknob60>do you think reinstalling/recompiling my kernel or installing a newer version (by upgrading to lenny) would fix it?
22:26<Laeborg>deb etch main ?
22:26<superjet_away>doorknob60: most cdroom using scsi ones driver, like `dmesg | grep cd` in my box give: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 16x/24x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
22:27<Laeborg>doorknob60: network-manager-kde is now installed, where can I find it?
22:27<superjet_away>doorknob60: my kernel is 2.6.22
22:27<doorknob60>mines 2.6.18
22:27<doorknob60>Laeborg: try running network-manager-kde maybe? not sure i only have xfce on here
22:28<doorknob60>running dmesg | grep cd only gave stuff about USB
22:28<doorknob60>and im only using a USB mouse right now
22:28<Laeborg>is there a link in my kde menu to network-manager?
22:29<doorknob60>there might be
22:29<doorknob60>i could go check my kubuntu box
22:29<doorknob60>o wait never mind it has wicd
22:30<doorknob60>is there any backports repository like there is in ubuntu?
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22:33<Laeborg>now i have Network-Manager installed but when i try to add a VPN connection i got an error. Something about i need a vpn program
22:35<twb>Laeborg: is openswan installed?
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22:36<Laeborg>no twb
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22:37<Laeborg>i have just installed it, but i still got that error
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22:41<kop>doorknob60 : You might try etchnhalf.
22:41<dpkg>it has been said that etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
22:42<kop>doorknob60 : There's a new "etchnhalf" kernel available if you put etchnhalf into your repositories.
22:42<black_13>how do i ensure the ethernet address assigned is a private class C address to my ethernet device
22:42<doorknob60>hmm sounds like its worth a shot
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22:42<doorknob60>on an unrelated note, i hate my 800x600 laptop screen, everythings too big :P
22:43<kop>doorknob60 : "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
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22:44<kop>black_13 : You "man interfaces".
22:44<doorknob60>i know 800x600 is its max res :( just whining about the crappyness of it
22:44<kop>black_13 : Either statically assign an address or pick up the right thing from dhcp.
22:44<mysupper_>hello guys
22:44<kop>black_13 : See also rfc1918.
22:45<black_13>kop i am getting 10.x.x.x interface would like a 192.168.x.x interface
22:45<kop>doorknob60 : You have to explicity install a new kernel.
22:45<mysupper_>this is not debian related question , but where can I discuss wordpress related problems in irc network?
22:45<kop>black_13 : 10. is a private address. How is your address assigned?
22:46<twb>kop: a subset of the 10.x.x.x address space *is* reserved for private use.
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22:46<kop>twb: Isn't that want I said? It's what I ment to say.
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22:46<twb>kop: sorry, I misread
22:47<black_13>i am running debian in insed of qemu and its always giving me a 10.0.2.x address
22:47<twb>black_13: that is qemu's default address range
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22:48<Nemoder>it's a virtual address though, it forwards packets through your actual address
22:48<twb>IOW it adds a route and a NAT
22:49<doorknob60>hmm right now its installing an updated build of my current kernel, so that might fix it, because my cd drive works fine even on 2.4 kernels
22:49<Nemoder>qemu emulates a dhcp server too which is what gives you that address
22:49<doorknob60>oh wow the server is insanely slow right now...
22:50<black_13>twb i am reading the man page for qemu but its not jumping out how to set an address range
22:50<doorknob60>18 kB/s was going at like 2 kB/s
22:51<twb>black_13: yes, qemu's documentation is very obtuse.
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22:52<black_13>my home area network is all 192.168.x.x but i cant ftp out to any of my host machines
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22:53<kop>What keys do I need to worry about on a basic install vis CVE-2008-0166? There's the host key, and I suppose they'll be something terrible with the package signing. Anything else "out of the box"?
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22:53<Nemoder>black_13: you might give qemu-launcher a try
22:53<doorknob60>dangit ubuntu's servers are slow too....*sigh*
22:54<kop>doorknob60 : I suspect the cve.
22:55<doorknob60>whats cve?
22:55<kop>doorknob60 : Common Vulnerability (Something). Today's security announcement.
22:55<doorknob60>oh, well the normal debian servers nice and fast its the etch and a half thing thats slow
22:55<twb>12:52 <black_13> my home area network is all 192.168.x.x but i cant ftp out to any of my host machines
22:55<twb>black_13: that's because FTP doesn't work with NAT
22:55<twb>black_13: you need to use EPSV not PASV
22:56<black_13>twb sorry excuse my extreme ignorance
22:56*kop hates ftp
22:56<twb>I only like FTP because vsftpd is more secure than apache.
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22:56<kop>twb: I use it all the time, but it's a royal pain to firewall.
22:57<black_13>i want to tranfer files outside of the vm to a host machine
22:57<vsmatck>I got vsftp set up as active behind NAT. It is a royal pain.
22:57<kop>black_13 : scp is secure copy, it's like ftp that uses ssh, but with a syntax like cp (copy) on the command line.
22:57<Vantage13>anyone know of a guide or tips for migrating a system with lvm to an lvm with raid-1?
22:58<twb>vsmatck: IME it Just Works as long as you don't give a shit about PASV and PORT users
22:58<twb>(Such as Firefox)
22:58<vsmatck>I hate ftp.. with a passion.
22:59<vsmatck>I got ftp-proxy set up on my openbsd router to let users behind my NAT connect to passive FTPs.
22:59<twb>It would be nice if there was something like thttpd that made security the *first* priority, and was actively maintained and audited.
22:59<vsmatck>so much effort to get stuff working in every case.
22:59<black_13>what about virtual box?
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22:59<twb>black_13: what about it?
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23:00<black_13>never mind i need to use qemu as i can get qemu on win32
23:00<vsmatck>qemu and virtualbox both have smb support built in.
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23:01<vsmatck>qemu is harder to set up than virtualbox because there's no good gui.
23:01<vsmatck>*shrugs* :)
23:01<twb>GUIs can FOAD IMO
23:01<twb>Good documentation would be nicer.
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23:01<kop>Vantage13 : How about this. Put in the new disk, make an md device. Make the new md device a physical lvm volume, add the volume to the volume group. Then migrate the storage to the new physical volume and remove the old partition. Add the old drive to the md raid 1 array.
23:02<black_13>FOAD i miss out on that acronym
23:02<kop>twb: thttpd rocks. But what's so terrible about vsftpd?
23:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, foad is "fuck off and die". Considered by many to be impolite.
23:02<twb>kop: I *like* vsftpd
23:02<twb>kop: my only problem with it is that it's FTP.
23:02<Vantage13>kop: I was thinking about that, but I was also thinking of trying to make the new raid that boot drive (my current one is a non-lvm partition on one of the drives)
23:03<kop>twb :)
23:03<twb>I liked thttpd until I tried to maintain it's Debian integration
23:03<twb>Most of the fixes were on the user mailing list, but didn't get actually applied by upstream
23:03<twb>It's just not maintained actively enough for me to feel happy about exposing stuff to the world through it
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23:04<kop>Vantage13 : I'd say you're better off with the boot partition not being lvm. Just have a separate not-lvm partition for /boot. You can make it an md device. Moving your boot device is another matter.
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23:04<kop>Vantage13 : Oh, and you might need to run makeinitrd to be sure than md is in your initrd, somewhere in the process.
23:05<twb>FWIW you can't have LVM + RAID /boot with Grub Legacy.
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23:05<twb>I successfully made GRUB 2 do LVM + RAID with a single root partition (no separate /boot), but I found that 1) I had to HTFS; and 2) if you degrade the array, it doesn't boot.
23:05<kop>twb: :-( There's an OpenBSD thttpd port. I wonder if it's maintained....
23:06<twb>kop: OpenBSD uses a HEAVILY patched apache as its preferred httpd :-(
23:06<Vantage13>kop: yeah, I'm thinking it might not be worth the hassle. Basically I have three IDE drives right now. One is failing. So I bought a sata controller card and two drives to setup the raid and am deciding whether to just add it and remove the bad drive, or try and migrate the whole thing to the new drives...
23:06<kop>twb: Yeah. By default. But apache itself is too heavy for me.
23:06<twb>kop: I hear ya
23:06<twb>Ultimately apache cares more about features than security.
23:07<vsmatck>what's a good alternative to apache? I use apache but I don't use any special features like scripting language or anything.
23:07<kop>twb: I had a single static page to serve. Coulda used nc, but wanted rate-limiting.
23:07<twb>When I just want to export a directory tree to the world, without ACLs, without server-side interpreted blah, apache is just wrong.
23:07<twb>kop: yeah, thttpd.
23:07<twb>I also like thttpd as an alternative to firehose, for exporting directory trees as a non-root user
23:08<kop>vsmatck : Apache's probably best (google "worse is better") unless you've got some special requirements.
23:08<twb>kop: ouch
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23:08<vsmatck>I should make my own.
23:08<twb>vsmatck: apache has the mindshare
23:08<twb>vsmatck: thttpd and lighttpd are possible alternatives.
23:09<twb>I guess thy is dead.
23:09<vsmatck>I'll check those out.
23:09<kop>twb: (And then there's perl. And probably emacs too! :-)
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23:10<twb>There are httpds in sh, but they probably aren't a sane choice.
23:10<twb>OpenWRT's x-wrt web UI uses such a web server
23:10<black_13>well all thats great but how to i transfer files outta ma vm
23:11<twb>black_13: scp.
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23:20<TiEuAM>apc or eaccelerator ??
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23:25<oukki>hola amigos
23:25<oukki>laguien k use debian ?
23:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:28<doorknob60>dam i reinstalled the kernel and same problem
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23:32<kop>doorknob60 : I don't suppose you've been poking inside the case? Maybe something's unplugged?
23:33<kop>doorknob60 : Otherwise, Try the latest stable kernel from with make-kpkg and if it does not work then submit a regression at WorkedForMe.
23:35<doorknob60>kop: it works in windows so idk, and the upgrade broke my wifi :'(
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23:35<doorknob60>im gonna try clean install because i remember it wokring after clean install
23:36<kop>doorknob60 : Don't do it. Rebuild an old kernel and boot from that.
23:36<doorknob60>its the same kernel just its a newer build i guess
23:36<kop>doorknob60 : If it is a problem in the newer kernel you'll just go though the same cycle of works-then-fails.
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23:37<kop>doorknob60 : Nothing in dmesg or /var/log/messages?
23:37<doorknob60>dmesg says cardbus not supported when i try to connect to wifi
23:37<doorknob60>when i installed newer build of kernel
23:37<doorknob60>so now i cant do anything on it pretty much
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23:40<doorknob60>any ideas how to make my PC card for wifi work again?
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23:43<vinicius>Eae Gente blz ?
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23:48<oukki>[Away] demasiado autismo -autoaway, 15 mins- (Log:Pager) desde el 13 May 23:49:19
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23:51<Franki>i was trying to compile squashfs-3.3 for etch from Is there a change to succeed, since I apparently need some newer headers.
23:52<twb>Franki: shouldn't you be using m-a?
23:53<Franki>twb: thanks, but what's m-a?
23:54<twb>!tell Franki about m-a
23:56<zakame>hmm is down?
23:56<Franki>twb: I guess. but I've never used it before explicitly. Isn't this just for modules? because what I mean is the actual squashfs-tools
23:56<Franki>zakame: maybe, yesterday I also had problems accessing
23:57<zakame>yeah I've been seeing it being under high load lately
23:58<Franki>twb: I've already build the squashfs kernel module(via the kernel-patch), I'm now looking to build the tools
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23:59<twb>Franki: can't you just backport the tools from testing?
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