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---Logopened Wed May 14 00:00:41 2008
00:02<doorknob60>ow crap now my bois wont boot from cd lmao, it detecs the drive though...
00:03<Franki>twb: I tried that, but it said it misses some header files. Some of those where zlib.h for example. Now I don't know from which package this zlib.h comes from, since it is contained in many different packages. package zlib1g.h or linux-libc-dev (former linux-kernel-headers)? I don't remember if it is read in the README file
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00:04<Franki>i meant package zlib1g
00:04<Franki>i meant package zlib1g-dev
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00:05<Franki>anyway, I don't know whether it's a good idea building this package with newer headers when the actual libraries it will run on don't correspond to that
00:06<Franki>^this is my majoj concern
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00:11<doorknob60>any ideas my cd drive works with nothing now
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00:12<doorknob60>probly some cable loose but i cant get my laptop open :P
00:12<mike_>Sometimes (in HPs and IBMs I've noticed) the CD-ROM drive can get partially ejected from the drive bay by accident.
00:12<mike_>If you have a removable CD-ROM, you might try removing and re-seating it if you haven't already.
00:13<mike_>*shrug* :-}
00:13<doorknob60>i have a compaq and the drive doesnt come out
00:13<mike_>*shrug* ;-)
00:13<doorknob60>well if i could open the laptop it probably could
00:13<mike_>Haha, yes.
00:13<doorknob60>but i dont have the right screwdriver lmao
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00:16<Franki>twb: now this is strange. I'm getting the same error when trying to compile the squashfs3.1-r2 tools , which is actually the one which is currently used for etch!
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00:18<Franki>maybe I should have a closer look at the readme
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00:22<Franki>apparently, there is no information about which header files are needed in the hole squashfs srource tarball. this is stupid
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00:24<dpkg>well, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired.
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00:27<irinix>hey everyone I'm back. I found a rinkydink 10/100 nic, and after about 10 minutes of playing got debian to recognize it, but now it will not recognize the sata drive I was planning on installing to, although during boot it recognizes that there are drives there it throws
00:27<irinix>ata3.00 failed to identify (i/o error, err_mask=0x4) and
00:27<irinix> ata4.00 qc timeout (cmd 0xec).
00:27<irinix>in order to get the installer to boot at all I had to use the install acpi=off option otherwise it was throwing a dma_timeout_expiry error. I'm still googling this, but does anyone have any idea how to fix it? The Kernel version I'm using is 2.6.18
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00:28<black_13>twb still here
00:28<irinix>that was my bad, not used to the client I'm using
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00:29<twb>black_13: what do YOU want?
00:30<black_13>sorry i didnt mean to get up in your grill (as my kid says)
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00:32<black_13>got scp installed but when attempt to copy a file out i get permission denied
00:32<twb>black_13: elaborate
00:33<black_13>the command on the host is "scp blah.txt black_13@"
00:33<black_13>the return is scp: /blah.txt: permission denied
00:33<valdyn>black_13: you need root to write to /
00:33*black_13 says "dur"
00:34<mike_>Can anybody help me with WPA? I got the b43 driver working in 2.6.24 and was able to get on insecure wifi with static nic config and use the www, et cetera...
00:34<mike_>black_13: haha yeah, :~/blah.txt
00:34<mike_>black_13: hate when that happens
00:34<mike_>... But WPA hasn't seemed to work.
00:34<black_13>i thought the directory was relative to black_13's account
00:34<mike_>I tried the debian Wiki some time ago and rechecked today to retry a few things, got nothing good.
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00:35<mike_>black_13: Yeah, I was guessing that was what you meant to do--it's what I usually mean to do when I accidentally type :/whatever into the scp cmdline :-D
00:36<Franki>twb: apparently, I was missing the package zlib1g-dev
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00:36<mike_>To clarify, "nothing good" means no DHCPOFFER packet in response to several DHCPDISCOVERs.
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00:36<mike_>So... If anybody knows how to get wpa_supplicant working and could help, it'd be much appreciated. Thx
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00:39<black_13>twb you seem to know a bit about qemu whe would xorg say the display driver is cirrus?
00:39<black_13>the xorg display driver i mean
00:40<twb>qemu emulates a cirrus GPU
00:40<twb>Of course xorg within qemu would detect that
00:41<irinix>does the debian installer require any extra drivers to install to a sata drive?
00:41<twb>irinix: no, but to install FROM a sata cdrom drive, you need to jump through hoops
00:42<irinix>okay. in that case I have a heck on an issue then...the installer is not seeing my sata hard drive, although both bios and windows know it is there
00:43<black_13>twb unfortunately its crashing
00:43<blarson>irinix: depends on the sata controler. Controlers designed after the release won't have drivers available.
00:43<black_13>on qemu
00:43<valdyn>irinix: sata hard drives dont matter, what matters is your sata controller, it may or may not be supported by d-i, depending on which one it is
00:43<irinix>this controller hit the market back in 03-04 ish
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00:44<irinix>nvidia nforce4
00:44<twb>black_13: use the VESA driver, then
00:45<doorknob60>ok ive given up on my cd problem for now cuz its hardware problem, but now it cant connect to wifi, it says cardbus isnt supported -.-
00:45<irinix>black_13: I'm still fairly new to debian and linux as a whole, how would I go about enabling the vesa driver?
00:46<black_13>that is a good question
00:46<twb>irinix: I'm not talking to you
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00:47<black_13>irinix, its a decent question my problem is i go away form linux then come back and there are updates and changes it looks like xorg is able to doe some autoconfigure or more it did about a year ago
00:48<irinix>oh I'm sorry twb, I saw the colon there, and failed to look for my timestamp.
00:50<irinix>black_13: ignore me. I was butting in.
00:50<black_13>i am not offended
00:50<twb>black_13: you are correct; xorg now autodetects the graphics card
00:50<twb>black_13: xorg 7.3, I mean
00:51<black_13>hence the the cirrus craziness
00:54<black_13>twb would you know how to quiet the bootup messages that is redirect all the output that normally goes to console to a file
00:54<black_13>(would this mean hacking sysvinit)
00:54<twb>You cannot redirect output to a file. This hasn't changed since you asked last week.
00:55<twb>If you pass "quiet" as a kernel boot parameter, some stuff will be hidden.
00:55<black_13>oh quiet a lot is hidden
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01:09<jmgaeteh>hi, anyone knows if the intel gm965/gl960 can display the framebuffer in 1280x800 res ?
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01:11<UnKnowN>Hello I was wondering how you would find out what libraries a binary reads upon execute
01:11<jm_>UnKnowN: ldd/strace
01:11<UnKnowN>thnx lets see if that works :S
01:12<UnKnowN>so can i execute it to watch for it before its executed?
01:12<UnKnowN>ooh nvm
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01:14<jmgaeteh>framebuffer can be displayed in a upper resolution than 1024x768 ?
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01:14<jmgaeteh>i tested uvesafb and intelfb but doesnt work
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01:15<jm_>jmgaeteh: of course
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01:17<Supaplex>bochs-2.3.6$ ./debian/rules build-indep throws ./debian/rules:129: *** "build-indep will only succeed on any-i386". Stop. Let's see if bts has a workaround (like use of a cross-compiler)
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01:20<UnKnowN>okay i think this is my last one, how do you stop a binary from reading something without deleting it.
01:22<jm_>why would you do that?
01:22<UnKnowN>because i cant find it in the source
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01:23<jm_>which app is that? which file?
01:23<UnKnowN>and nsswitch.conf
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01:23<jm_>ahh that's read by resolver
01:23<jm_>not your app
01:24<UnKnowN>Well I get this error
01:24<UnKnowN>very short and simple
01:24<jm_>there's an env. var I think, let me see
01:24<UnKnowN> Undefined symbol "_nss_cache_cycle_prevention_function"
01:24<peterS>well, by libc, resolver libraries generally skip nsswitch.conf and read only resolv.conf
01:24<UnKnowN>If you have a common fix for this I'll be very happy :D
01:24<jm_>UnKnowN: check which nss libs it uses
01:25<UnKnowN>I did an strace on it
01:25<UnKnowN>but it doesn't turn up much good
01:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
01:26<jm_>open("/lib/tls/", O_RDONLY) = 4
01:26<jm_>and the likes
01:26<jm_>strace -e open
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01:28<jm_>nss comes after resolv.conf
01:28<UnKnowN>yes it does
01:28<UnKnowN>if u read that paste
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01:30<jm_>it's not in your paste
01:30<UnKnowN>idk im executing it
01:31<jm_>ahh it seems one can override resolv.conf with env var, but not nsswitch.conf
01:32<UnKnowN>strace -v -f -o tracer ./stats -debug
01:33<jm_>that looks fine - unless it's using external resolver helper not started by itself for example
01:33<UnKnowN>well tbh i was running it on debian earlier, and i had to put it on the dedicated server which was bsd
01:33<UnKnowN>I know and i know i dont like bsd either
01:34<UnKnowN>is there any flag that can save me from having to find another server?
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01:36<jm_>flag for what?
01:36<irinix>am I allowed to cheer for myself for figuring out my problem all on my own?
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01:36<UnKnowN>so what did u want me to look for?
01:37<jm_>you need to figure out which nss module needs _nss_cache_cycle_prevention_function symbol
01:37<UnKnowN>yeah i did a google on it
01:38<UnKnowN>something about cached
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01:40<jm_>UnKnowN: that sounds BSD specific
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01:41<UnKnowN>yea i hate bsd, grrrrrr
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01:41<jm_>why don't you run it on Debian?
01:41<UnKnowN>i cant
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01:41<UnKnowN>It would cause downtime
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01:41<UnKnowN>Otherwise I would
01:41<UnKnowN>But the thing is anope works fine, and denora uses anopes core
01:41<jm_>well then it's better to ask in #freebsd/#netbsd or so
01:42<phillipsjk>Unknown: isn't it possible to run linux in a bsd jail?
01:42<UnKnowN>phillipsjk: hmm
01:43<UnKnowN>jm_ you think theres a way I could compare code from anope and maybe merge that over to denora?
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01:44<jm_>UnKnowN: it's unlikely those apps use their own stuff for this, I'd say the issue is with your system
01:44<UnKnowN>but that wouldn't explain why anope works
01:44<UnKnowN>i did notice on thing already
01:44<jm_>no, but perhaps strace can reveal you something, or ltrace if you have that
01:44<UnKnowN>the newer anope core.
01:44<UnKnowN>use /usr/local/lib/compat
01:45<UnKnowN>using /usr/local/lib/compat/ and /lib/
01:45<jm_>doesn't mean anything to me, I hardly ever used *BSD
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01:51<twb>Where's the kernel module blacklist?
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01:51<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
01:52<twb>Thank you.
01:52<jm_>twb: that is wrong, use "install foo /bin/true" instead
01:52<twb>jm_: I think you have the arguments backwards there
01:53<twb>Assuming you're talking about install(1)
01:53<jm_>twb: no, about modprobe.d files
01:53<jm_>you already have examples there
01:53<irinix>could somebody explain to me what DMA is and why I had to disable it to get debian to see my sata drives?
01:53<jm_>twb: see /etc/modprobe.d/display_class in Etch
01:54<dpkg>methinks dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process.
01:54<UnKnowN>i figured it out jm_ i think
01:54<UnKnowN>Would #include <arpa/inet.h> have to do with a few of these issues?
01:54<jm_>UnKnowN: it shouldn't
01:54<twb>I need to totally remove support for usb mass storage devices. Historicaly I've just deleted the .ko, but I also want to backlist it in case someone dist-upgrades the kernel
01:55<jm_>twb: heh why?
01:55<twb>jm_: because usb keys can be smuggled past checkpoints, anally
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01:55<jm_>twb: don't giver users permission to access /dev/sdX?
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01:56<twb>jm_: removing usb-storage support seemed safer.
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01:56*phillipsjk gets the feeling twb isn't joking
01:56<twb>*No one* on the system needs USB mass storage access. I can't simply remove USB altogether because the USB HIDs are still needed.
01:57<twb>Also, I don't want to go to the trouble of rolling my own kernels.
01:57<UnKnowN>twb its so awesome you can name it whatever you want
01:57*UnKnowN is joking
01:58<twb>UnKnowN: I don't understand.
01:58<phillipsjk>A blacklist assumes the name is static.
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02:00<twb>phillipsjk: the kernel module name?
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02:04<phillipsjk>I'm not sure if that's what UnKnowN meant or not. Changing the name of the module would probably require a kernel recompliation.
02:04<UnKnowN>no nevermind
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02:16<twb>It looks like usbcore pulls in usb-storage without ever passing through modprobe
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02:16<twb>So blacklisting doesn't help anyway
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02:21<phillipsjk>Twb sound like physically disabling the USB ports is out of the question as well. " the USB HIDs are still needed."
02:22<twb>phillipsjk: yes.
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02:23<jm_>twb: it should I believe
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02:25<twb>jm_: I tested it, and it doesn't.
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02:29<jm_>twb: are you sure it's not initramfs causing it?
02:30<twb>jm_: well, I didn't connect the USB key until after booting had finished
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02:30<twb>And before I connected the usb key, I made sure usb-storage wasn't listed in lsmod
02:30<jm_>twb: is it loaded prior to connecting it?
02:31<jm_>twb: which method of blacklisting did you use?
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02:35<twb>jm_: well, I tried the style used in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, because it used actual module names.
02:36<jm_>twb: the blacklist keyword?
02:36<twb>jm_: the install one seemed to use something weirder, going by the- yes.
02:36<jm_>twb: uhm you can use module name for install too
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02:37<cahoot>the 'install' method means no need rebuild the initramfs?
02:38<jm_>cahoot: I am not sure about that, I would speculate the asnwer is no
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02:38<kcynice>hi, which is the best virtual machine software for debian?
02:42<jm_>what do you want to use it for?
02:42<twb>kcynice: 無
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02:43<kcynice>i want to emulate a windows xp in my debian
02:43<matB>wmvare is the best :)
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02:44<tr00>virtualbox is nice
02:44<twb>IME vmware is great for dropping all network traffic for 7.5 minutes at a time, at least twice an hour
02:44<sep>kcynice, in debian there are virtualbox-ose
02:44<sep>and qemu is not too bad with kvm or kqemu modules
02:44<sep>personaly i use virtualbox.
02:44<kcynice>is vmware with linux version?
02:44<UnKnowN>jm_ got the dev working on it now :p
02:45<twb>I like that qemu's sdl window doesn't require a full keyboard grab unless you're typing something weird.
02:45<kcynice>my computer is a little old, so, i want to select a perfect vm
02:45<twb>I don't like that vmware 2 has no console version, you have to use firefox now
02:45<sep>kcynice, vmware workstation cost money. you have to recompile kernel modules on new kernels and it does not suppor newer kernels
02:45<twb>vmware-server is gratis, and it's horrible
02:46<sep>there is a gratis (nonfree) vmware server but it does not have the nice features of workstations/virtualbox
02:46<jm_>kcynice: perhaps even uml will work for you
02:46<sep>horrible is a pretty acurate description yeah...
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02:46<kcynice>if so, i am afraid i will not get a vmware
02:46<sep>jm_, uml for windows ?? can you do that?
02:46<jm_>sep: no, hence "perhaps" :)
02:46<sep>kcynice, try virtualbox it's just a apt get away
02:47<dpkg>it has been said that uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. Unified Modelling Language, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at
02:47<jm_>the former
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02:47<cahoot>that was a dusty factoid
02:47<kcynice>oh, i know what's you meant about uml now
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02:48<sep>kcynice, and to answer you previous question, yes vmware runs on linux. but not happily and you have to kick it.
02:48<chihchun>is that libssl (0.9.8g-10) in sid fixed the issue DSA 1571-1 ?
02:48<sep>(unless you run it on exactly what it likes, (like RH enterprise) there it's fully supported.
02:49<kcynice>ok, kick vmware
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02:49<kcynice>i prefer debian
02:49<sep>kcynice, aptitude install virtualbox-ose :)
02:49<kcynice>it runs fast for my old pc.
02:52<kcynice>some source need to be added to sourcelist?
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02:59<Hydroxide>chihchun: yes, that version is fixed
03:00<chihchun>Hydroxide: thanks
03:00<chihchun>Hydroxide: because I did not see comments in changelog.Debian.gz
03:00<chihchun>oh, I saw it now, fixed at 0.9.8g-9
03:01<kcynice>i have to reboot my os now
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03:32<Administrator>i need help with debain etch its too slow
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03:35<meisteris>make your custom kernel, install rcconf, use it, get rid of gnome, install xfce, get rid of gdm, install xdm
03:35<meisteris>will be MUCH faster :)
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03:39<jmgaeteh>i think he leave the channel a few minutes a go
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03:45<cahoot>we were too slow
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03:47<twb>I want squid to use kerberized auth without prompting for a password, i.e. single sign on via pam_krb on the clients. It looks like I need to roll my own squid packages, because squid doesn't Build-Depend on libkrb-dev and therefore CAN'T be compiling the krb auth helper.
03:47<twb>What are my options to minimize the ongoing pain of maintaining a custom compile of a deb-src?
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03:52<jm_>twb: make a patch, apply it each time you build a package?
03:54<twb>jm_: that's plan B
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03:59<jm_>twb: plan A is to have official package include support I suppose
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04:03<twb>jm_: that hadn't even occurred to me.
04:03<twb>Good idea.
04:03<twb>But now, I must away. Bedtime is nigh.
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04:04<meisteris> it is morning
04:05<meisteris>allmost noon (:
04:05<jmgaeteh>hey, i want to become a debian mantainer, but i want to start slowly... i was thinking to take an orphan package, a basic orphan package
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04:06<jmgaeteh>the point is im not really good programmer
04:06<jmgaeteh>but the packaging looks easy
04:07<jmgaeteh>or im wrong ?
04:08<meisteris>then this read is for you
04:08<jmgaeteh>yeah, but someone have any experience packaging ?
04:09<meisteris>not me (:
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04:11<jmgaeteh>thanks :)
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04:14<jmgaeteh>sorry for my bad english, but im a noob in programming and in the english speaking
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04:15<meisteris>any xfce users here?
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04:23<meisteris>know any way of getting that xfce plugin that monitors keyboard layouts?
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04:23<supinfo>is any one here?
04:24<supinfo>yun .........
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04:24*zarchne does as well.
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04:25<jm_>meisteris: lenny (testing) (x11): xkb layout switch plugin for the Xfce4 panel
04:26<jm_>Package xfce4-xkb-plugin
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04:27<meisteris>hmm, me using etch
04:27<jmgaeteh>the human apt, great
04:27<meisteris>and apt do not find that plugin
04:28<jmgaeteh>apt-pinning ?
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04:28<jm_>it's not in etch
04:30<jmgaeteh>jm_get search anarchism
04:30*jmgaeteh jocking...
04:31*jmgaeteh joking sorry...
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05:10<feth>I am going to install two identical boxes in order to provide some availability to my users. Ideally I would have a full synchronization of everything on the boxes and a failover setup.
05:11<feth>I'm thinking of a linux-ha installation
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05:11<feth>or of installing a mirrored filesystem with a usermode linux on top of it
05:11<feth>But I'd warmly welcome clues
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05:27<meisteris>how many dvd disks would one need to put all stable repo in them?
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05:30<jm_>find out how many there are on Debian mirrors
05:30<jm_>!dstats stable
05:30<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18593 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41487 MB installed size, 13599 MB compressed size.
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05:31<the-me>!dstats unstable
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05:32<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on sid... 23254 packages, 1931 maintainers, 60689 MB installed size, 21259 MB compressed size.
05:32<meisteris>so to put all debian stable mirror in floppy disks i need like 28810 floppy disks :D
05:32<jm_>how did you come up with that number?
05:33<padski>meisteris, 9443
05:33<meisteris>counted on uncompressed size :)
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05:34<padski>I took my first linux install home on floppies :-)
05:34<themill>Ahh the memories.
05:34<meisteris>so i need to have something like this to make it happen:
05:35<feth>One of my first traumas : on (failure prone) floppies + tftp, because there was no floppy drive on my sparc
05:35<freebird>you guys, I`ve a stupid question, but can`t figure it out, before I made some changes to my gnome upper panel, the ones with the applications and Desktop buttons, I`ve noticed that I can`t minimize applications to that bar anymore, like amsn use to stay upthere wile I was not using it, but it doesn`t anymore, which of the options should I add to my panel to have that back ??
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05:39<meisteris>then you should explore settings/properties/what ever gnome options that panel related :)
05:40<meisteris>and ifi understand correctly you hsould look for something called system tray
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05:43<meisteris>talking about nostalgic, i remember how i frst bought a flopy disk without even having any computer :D
05:47<padski>we used to cut an extra key out and turn our single-sided 5.25in floppies over :-)
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05:47<themill>Oh yeah... I'd forgotten about that one
05:49<jm_>the joys of playing music with C64 floppy drive
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05:49<themill>audio tape drive ftw
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05:49<meisteris>tape rox :)
05:50<tim316>any one got a UI for a linux baised active directoy
05:50<padski>do the samba folk do something along that line ?
05:51<tim316>ok bye bye
05:51<tim316>my teacher is angrey
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05:56<padski>is it resize2fs that does the online resize ? am I missing a trick ?
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05:59<alfadir>in what package is ssh-vulnkeys in debian ? openssh-blacklist has only a list for the tool ?
05:59<alfadir>apt-file search ssh-vulnkeys -> no hits..
06:01<alfadir> is also empty.. i found via the topic in #debian on freenode.. are there other info sources ?
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06:02<the-dude>alfadir: it comes with new openssh-server
06:03<Number9>morning all :)
06:04<themill>alfadir: that page and the links within. I'm just adding the new openssh-server package to that wiki
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06:10<alfadir>themill: the-dude: ok, thanks..
06:11<freebird>meisteris, tks man, but there`s no system tray, any other suggestion ??
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06:17<the-dude>alfadir: its is openssh-client sorry
06:18<meisteris>freebird, i don't rly know, couse i never use gnome (:
06:19<alfadir>the-dude: saw that the tool is availible in ubuntu, is the openssh-client deb beeing pushed out as well ?
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06:19<freebird>meisteris, ok, tks man, it`s a very usefull feature,
06:20<alfadir>or is only new libss needed ?
06:20<freebird>meisteris, I've found that out right after I lost it, lol
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06:24<debian>hi all
06:24<debian>i have just installed orca2.20 in my debian and i hope I have satisfied all the dependencies..but still., when I run "orca" from terminal am getting "ImportError: No module named orca.orca"
06:24<debian>any to get it work..?
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06:31<themill>dpkg: ssh-vulnkey
06:31<dpkg>[ssh-vulnkey] a tool to identify known weak ssh keys (ask me about <dsa1571>). It is found in the openssh-client package version 4.3p2-9etch1 or later; you will need to "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" to also install the new openssh-blacklist package. See for usage.
06:31<themill>alfadir: ^^
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06:33<haxi>do anyone knows if Western Digital My Book II Essential Edition 500 Go USB 2.0 works on linux?
06:33<jm_>haxi: no
06:34<themill>!tell haxi about multiple ask
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06:36<feth>haxi:maybe some sites like know. And if they don't, tell them !
06:37<haxi>yeah ok.
06:38<jm_>it should just work
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06:38<padski>df is telling me the same filesystem mounted in two different place is both different sizes and different usage ?!
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06:42<padski>ah! I mounted v1 on /foo/bar and then later mounted v2 on /foo. df then shows the stats for the second mount in respect on the first.
06:42<lasse>fick dich du arschloch
06:42<lasse>fick dich du arschloch
06:42<lasse>fick dich du arschloch
06:42<lasse>fick dich du arschloch
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06:46<padski>well, actually what I did was ...
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06:55<sleroux>ssh-keygen give segmentation fault, following ssl security update
06:56<sleroux>anyone know?
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07:22<Aleric>I have a five button mouse... but the fifth mouse button doesn't work :/. Is there something I can do to trouble shoot this?
07:23<Guest968>did you install diskwith mouse
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07:23<Aleric>Guest968: What do you mean?
07:25<Guest968>special mouse com with extra driversandspecial softwareto activateextra button to set up mouse run software
07:25<maxb>Does anyone know if extending the dsa1571 blacklist to support 4096 bit keys is (a) possible, (b) likely to happen?
07:25<Aleric>Sorry, I thought I was on #debian :/
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07:28<feth>Aleric: xev might tell you if your button is seen
07:28<feth>at the very least
07:28<Aleric>feth: thanks - it is not seen indeed.
07:28<feth>Aleric: (start xev in a console to be able to read the huge console output)
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07:29<feth>Aleric: then... I don't have a clue. You'd read usb traffic maybe
07:29<Aleric>feth: the fourth ("mouse6") works fine - but the other is like it's not connected :/
07:29<jm_>Aleric: try telling mouse driver there are more buttons then
07:30<Aleric>Well, I think this USED to work...
07:30<Aleric> Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
07:30<Aleric> Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2"
07:31<Aleric>I have no other options in that Section :/
07:31<jm_>I'll see how many buttons it detects for me at home, but I think it doesn't go past 5
07:31<Aleric>5 is fine
07:31<Aleric>I just get 4!
07:31<jm_>no, I mean 5 with 3 belonging to the wheel, the mouse has two extra buttons
07:31<Aleric>Well,... and wheel up/down
07:31<Aleric>Oh ok - in that case I get 6.
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07:32<Aleric>UT2004 calls it mouse6, too. But mouse7 doesn't work then.
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07:32<jm_>try telling it you have 7
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07:34<Ani_>hello. i have installed openoffice2.4 debs from on my debian etch. it works really fine but aptitude uninstall's it each time i install any other program
07:35<Ani_>some way to avoid that?
07:35<jm_>mark it as manually installed
07:35<Aleric>What does dpkg -l openoffice2.4 say?
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07:35<Ani_>jm_, but installing it with dpkg -i does not do that?
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07:36<jm_>Ani_: it's a feature of aptitude, I highly doubt dpkg will go ahead and update aptitude's idea of anything
07:36<Ani_>Aleric, ii 2.4.0-12 Base module for 2.4
07:36<Ani_>Aleric, and so
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07:37<Ani_>jm_, i will read on google to know how to use that "manually installed" mark. thanks a lot
07:37<jm_>Ani_: no need to use google, man aptitude
07:37<Aleric>Ani_: I think you should also find out why it uninstalls it.
07:37<chealer>Ani_: yes...don't use aptitude
07:37<Aleric>Must be some conflicting package.
07:38<Ani_>Aleric, yes. because the only two computers i have done this, both are uninstalling it.
07:38<Ani_>chealer, i had sometines missed apt-get...
07:38<Ani_>apt-get does not do this problem
07:38<jm_>not yet anyway
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07:40<Ani_>thanks a lot. i will try to fix aptitude. if i can't i will use other tool
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07:42<dpkg>well, update is apt-get update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgradeor before looking for stuff with apt-cache search
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07:43<aleex_>i'm trying to install debian on a sun e420r with netboot (debian-sparc-cd1), but i get the following error:
07:43<aleex_>"a00000 Fast Data Access MMU Miss"
07:43<aleex_>this error appears after the 420 loaded the install-img; any ideas?
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07:44<jm_>aleex_: try #sparc here or on freenode - it may be you interrupted it too soon to boot from cd
07:44<aleex>jm_, netboot, no cdrom in there
07:44<jm_>aleex: same thing
07:44<robocop101>whats the easiest way to install ati drivers please?
07:44<jm_>!fglrx oneliner
07:44<dpkg>To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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07:46<robocop101>ah ok thanks.I dont know how add .or make sure contrib or non-free is in my sources list
07:46<dpkg>hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
07:46<feth>robocop101: sources.list is located in /etc/apt/ - go read that too
07:47<themill>!tell robocop101 about non-free sources
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07:49<mitch>hey I think my /etc/apt/sources.apt is messed up
07:49<mitch>it can't find a simple package like gedit
07:49<themill>mitch: stick it in a pastebin and someone will check it if you want
07:49<robocop101>feth..i know where it is.thanks.but before i install the ati driver dont i have to put something in the sources list?
07:49<mitch>what is a pastebin?
07:49<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
07:50<mitch>I'm not on that computer
07:50<mitch>can i just type it up
07:50<themill>mitch: can that computer connect to the internet?
07:51<mitch>yes but only via links
07:51<mitch>it has no window manager
07:51<mitch>When i did the install I didn't connect it ot the internet
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07:51<themill>mitch: ahh well that's probably your problem. You won't have any mirrors listed in your sources.list
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07:52<mitch>i uncommented them
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07:52<themill>mitch: a mirror, or just the line for security?
07:52<mitch>themill: let me check
07:53<mitch>themill: both have
07:53<themill>mitch: OK, so you also need a regular mirror. Add a line that looks like: deb etch main contrib non-free
07:54<themill>mitch: omit the words contrib and non-free if you don't want non-free software on your machine
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07:54<mitch>is it possible to add just sid ones?
07:54<mitch>I want xfce and i understand that is only in sid
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07:55<themill>mitch: xfce4 is in etch too.
07:55<mitch>okay so just add that line?
07:55<mitch>nothing else?
07:55<themill>mitch: sid is not for people who have to ask questions about sources.list files... I'd suggest that you stick to etch.
07:56<themill>mitch: once you've added that line, run: aptitude update
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07:56<mitch>themill: I'm a ubuntu user but debian is the only ppc version that would happily install on my imac
07:56<mitch>themill: and gentoo but it took too long to compile
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07:57<themill>mitch: You still want to stay away from sid. Sid breaks often; it's not really designed for people to use.
07:58<themill>mitch: did aptitude update complete successfully?
07:58<mitch>i just added the line
07:58<mitch>hang on
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07:58<mitch>I'm going to lose internet now
07:59<Aleric>Is there a way to change xorg.conf and restart X without losing all windows and their positions? :/
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08:00<jm_>Aleric: i think gnome/kde let you save a session you can resume later
08:00<jm_>maybe xfce too
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08:00<mitch_>themill: apt-get update went fine
08:01<Aleric>I'm using gnome
08:01<mitch_>themill: can i now do apt-get install xfce4
08:01<themill>mitch_: excellent. Just check the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" for me. What is the line that starts with "Candidate".
08:02<mitch_>do i just run apt-cache policy libc6?
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08:03<mitch_>themill: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5
08:04<Aleric>That sooo didn't work :/
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08:05<mitch_>themill: can i install xfce4 now
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08:10<alfadir>themill: openssh 1:4.7p1-9 has not hit sid yet, at least not for amd64 :
08:10<alfadir>themill: just have to wait for it to trickle down ?
08:10<alfadir>themill: etch was updated 1 h ago for me..
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08:12<robocop101>themill so am I right in saying that I need to edit the sources.list and make sure what dpkg says?..I want to use kate to do this.its the only editor i know how to use
08:12<dpkg>hello, zumbi
08:12<zumbi>dpkg: ssh-vulnkey
08:12<dpkg>[ssh-vulnkey] a tool to identify known weak ssh keys (ask me about <dsa1571>). It is found in the openssh-client package version 4.3p2-9etch1 or later; you will need to "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" to also install the new openssh-blacklist package. See for usage.
08:12<mitch_>Hey i just install xfce4 how do i start it
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08:12<mitch_>startx didn't work
08:13<zumbi>mitch_: startxfce4
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08:13<zumbi>mitch_: xfce4_setup
08:13<mitch_>zumbi: the 1st one gave me an error
08:14<mitch_>zumbi: xfce4_setup was not found
08:15<zumbi>mitch_: is something similar
08:15<mitch_>zumbi: what do u mean?
08:15<zumbi>maybe is xfce_setup or similar
08:15<mitch_>zumbi: the error was line 53: exec: xinit: not found
08:16<zumbi>maybe you are missing some packages
08:16<sea>xinit: not found !
08:16<mitch_>sea: you know my problem?
08:16<mitch_>zumbi: like what
08:16<Simon_42>apt-get install xinit
08:17<sea>apt-get install xserver-xorg
08:17<dpkg>it has been said that kate is the new standart editor of KDE located in kdebase and the replacement for good old KWrite
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08:18<mitch_>Simon_42: can't find it
08:18<mitch_>sea: can't find it
08:18<Simon_42>you installed a fresh system from cd?
08:19<Aleric>I changed my xorg.conf according to what I found on the net (, but xev is still not detecting my other 'Thumb' button on the side :/
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08:19<mitch_>Simon_42: yes but i had no internet at the time i did that
08:19<Aleric>It's weird... cause I have the same mouse as the people in that url
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08:19<Simon_42>mitch_: Now you have internet?
08:19<Simon_42>stupid question...
08:19<sea>mitch_: apt-get update
08:20<Simon_42>i mean now you have "enough" internet (flatrate?)
08:20<mitch_>Simon_42: no go
08:20<sea>mitch_: have you added that line to sources.list
08:20<mitch_>sea: which line
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08:21<themill>mitch_, robocop101, et al. -- sorry, guys... I was called away.
08:21<zumbi>mitch_: $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xinit xfonts-base
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08:22<mitch_>themill: i installed xfce4
08:22<mitch_>themill: but it gave me an error when i ran startxfce4
08:22<robocop101>themill.its ok.whats the command to make kate run as root pleaase so I can edit the sources.list?
08:22<mitch_>themill: line 53: exce: xinit: not found
08:23<zumbi>btw, do you know why i can't find ssh-vulnkey in my system? (ssh version 4.7p1-8)
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08:23<Simon_42>mitch_,: Do you know if you run lenny or etch?
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08:23<mitch_>Simon_42: etch
08:24<Simon_42>just copy and paste this as sudo and you can install your missing packages:
08:24<Simon_42> sed -i 's|^|#|g' /etc/apt/sources.list && echo "deb etch main contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update
08:25<mitch_>Simon_42: I don't have sudo
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08:25<Simon_42>so, as do it as root...
08:25<mitch_>themill: help please
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08:43<petterson>Yesterday I updated my kernel image
08:43<petterson>and now when I try to boot I get an error
08:43<petterson>"Kernel panic! Not syncing... no such directory"
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08:44<petterson>I booted from my backup image then
08:44<petterson>Anybody knows how to fix this error?
08:44<petterson>Debian etch / amd64
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08:45<jm_>it says
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08:45<themill>Simon_42: please don't tell people to use It's not a good mirror for most people.
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08:46<Simon_42>themill: ok
08:46<jm_>ohw did you update the kernel? where did you get the kernel from?
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08:47<petterson>from update manager
08:48<themill>Simon_42: Also, that sed command would remove someone's security entry. That's not great.
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08:49<jm_>so a security update or what?
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08:50<petterson>I'm a beginner. I not used to read the updates that the update manager tells me to perform
08:50<petterson>I just clicked to update ... dumb me
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08:51<petterson>I have only this in my apt/sources.list
08:51<petterson>deb etch main non-free contrib
08:51<petterson>deb-src etch main non-free contrib
08:51<petterson>deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
08:51<petterson>deb-src etch/updates main contrib non-free
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08:52<themill>!tell petterson about paste
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08:53<petterson>sorry for the pasting :(
08:53<petterson>beginner at IRC too
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08:53<themill>petterson: heh.... use a pastebin
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08:53<jm_>petterson: which version is installed then?
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08:56<petterson> (my apt/sources.list)
08:57<petterson>jm_: how do I see that?
08:57<jm_>petterson: dpkg -s pkgname
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09:02<petterson>jm_: Which package I must see the version? The image is initrd.img-2.6.18-6-amd64
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09:03<themill>petterson: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-*
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09:03<Wesley> I have a 3ware raid card (9650SE-4LPML) with a raid 5 array which is all fine. Should debian mount this by default on reboot or do I have to mount it manual?
09:03<Wesley>fdisk -l does show it so it seems, value's are wrong tho
09:04<jm_>Wesley: did you add it to fstab?
09:04<petterson>themill: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-
09:04<themill>petterson: it's truncated.... dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-* | grep ^ii
09:04<gnumm>when a new debian stable appears
09:04<win>hello, i have a debian sarge, i have upgraded my apache and php using dotdeb reposistory, but now, when i try to connect to apache, i get a blank page, and when i start apache -X, i get a segfault, anyone can help me please?
09:05<gnumm>is then the old still supported?
09:05<petterson>themill: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch4
09:05<themill>win: (1) sarge is no longer supported, you should upgrade to etch (2) dotdeb debs are poor and are a pain the arse, get rid of them (3) in order to do (1) you will need to do (2).
09:06<Wesley>jm_: I did not.. not sure what I should add there
09:06<win>do you have a tutorial to upgrade sarge > etch ?
09:06<themill>!tell win about sarge->etch
09:06<Gekz>tell me too
09:07<themill>petterson: that's the latest kernel for etch; that's a good start.
09:07<jm_>Wesley: you already have entries in it, use them as an example, and you need to partition the device and create filesystems first if that hasn't been done already
09:07<petterson>As I said I accept every update ... lol
09:08<Wesley>Is there any guide for this? I don't seem to be able to find much on this.. but im sure im using the wrong keywords to search
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09:09<jm_>man fstab mkfs, there's probably shitloads of howtos about this
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09:09<dpietrop>hey boys
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09:10<dpietrop>can someone tell me how to uproot this tree
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09:10<dpietrop>what up robocop
09:10<themill>!question dpietrop
09:10<dpkg>dpietrop: Do you have a Debian-related question that we can help you with? If you do, please ask it and someone will try to help; if you do not, then please be quiet.
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09:11<dpietrop>i have a question
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09:11<petterson>themill, any ideas about that error?
09:11<dpietrop>i am using a dell gx280 operating system, can i run Ubuntu hardy on it
09:11<themill>petterson: no idea, sorry.
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09:12<themill>dpietrop: ask #ubuntu on
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09:12<jm_>petterson: did you check bts?
09:12<robocop101>dpietrop, .........mitch posted a message about adding to the sources list.....something like sep... said to copy \ paste it to the sources list.....thats what I need to do
09:13<petterson>jm_: bts?
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09:13<jm_>!tell petterson -about bts
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09:13<mr>how do u get a hard drive out of your butt
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09:14<dpietrop>i dont know mr, ask robocop hes used to that
09:14<godaddy>you're kidding right?
09:14<azeem>dpietrop: please keep it on topic
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09:14<dpietrop>sorry azeem
09:15<dpietrop>excuse me miss
09:15<robocop101>>>more insulting answers then?
09:15<mr>so how do you do it
09:15<godaddy>hi all, I'm wondering if Debian has an equivalent directory to Gentoo's /etc/env.d
09:15<dpietrop>sorry mitch
09:15<dpietrop>yes it does
09:15<dpietrop>i just looked that up
09:15<dpietrop>on wikihow
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09:15<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
09:16<dpietrop>thats a solid repo
09:16<mr>do you know peter
09:16<godaddy>ta :-)
09:16<dpietrop>peter who
09:16<jm_>petterson: also comapre your new initrd vs. the old one
09:17<mr>peter pan from never land that makes love to his hand
09:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:17<dpietrop>aw shucks partna cowboy
09:17<dpietrop>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:18<dpietrop>OK serious QUESTION!
09:18<petterson>jm_: I'm stupid, by compare you mean?
09:18<dpietrop>does anyone know jeffery elkner
09:18<mr>i do he the man
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09:19<themill>D: please try to make a useful contribution to the channel. And if you have nothing useful to say, please say nothing at all.
09:19<jm_>petterson: well check its contents, verify if they are the same or at least very similar
09:20<petterson>jm_: oh, you mean manually, right?
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09:20<jm_>petterson: that's the only way yes
09:21<jm_>petterson: also compare kernel configs for working and non working kernel
09:21<petterson>jm_: thanks I'll do that. Sorry about my dumbness ... hehehe
09:21<petterson>jm_: I'm super dummy ... the only thing I did to make it work was to change the image to my backup
09:22<petterson>jm_: other than that I don't know what is kernel configs ... hehehe
09:22<jm_>petterson: yeah, did you also try reinstalling the lastest kernel? you can find configs in /boot, it's just a text file, use diff
09:23<petterson>jm_: I never installed a kernel, I just accept the updates. I starting in the linux world now. Recently I installed the debian from a DVD and then I just accept updates :)
09:24<petterson>jm_: How I reinstall it?
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09:24<sea>as last time
09:25<petterson>jm_: in the boot folder I have only one config file
09:25<petterson>and 2 images, the new (with error) and the .bak
09:25<D>hey gents
09:25<petterson>jm_: is there a config backup anywhere?
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09:26<D>hey im back
09:27<jm_>petterson: how did you fix your problem then?
09:27<D>hey petterson
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09:27<jm_>petterson: are you saying version is the same or what?
09:27<petterson>I booted editing the command lines
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09:27<D>petterson: is your name peter
09:27<petterson>jm_: and instead of using the new image (error) I use the backup
09:27<jm_>petterson: there should be no need for that - Debian should add all kernels to menu.lst by default
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09:28<petterson>D: My name is petterson :)
09:28<mr>you lube yourself o=up
09:28<mr>and push as hard as you can
09:28<themill>mr, D: please be silent
09:28<D>petterson: thanks
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09:28<D>mr: thats what she said
09:28<mr>i hate my self can any one help
09:29<astronut>does anyone know a pdf reader that will just print from the command line?
09:29<petterson>jm_: It doesn't :)
09:29<themill>astronut: acroread can :(
09:29<mr> you use the f5 button
09:29<petterson>jm_: at least not for me. ..eheh
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09:30<D>jm_: i am running debian on my olpc, and i have been occuring frequent bugs, help?
09:30<jm_>petterson: well that kinda goes with what you said about having only one .config file - it only does this vmlinuz-* (and which don't have dpkg- in the name)
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09:31<jm_>petterson: I need to run now, there are plenty people in #debian who can help you further
09:31<mr>get some bug spray
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09:31<themill>astronut: "cat foofile.pdf | acroread -toPostScript | lpr" works. You should also able to print similarly using pdf2ps or similar tools.
09:31<petterson>jm_: You are right
09:31<D>i work for DEBIAN
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09:31<petterson>jm_: thanks bye
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09:31<themill>mr, D: enough.
09:31<mr>it only work if you have mad dog get from
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09:32<D>themill: can someone answer my question, i am running a windows/macbook hybrid and i want to run ubuntu hardy is it possible
09:32<petterson>Anybody can help me with this kernel image problem?
09:32<mr>does any want kill d
09:32<themill>D: you've already been told to ask that question on #ubuntu on
09:32<D>i can help
09:33<mr>hop off my shit
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09:33<petterson>D: As I said here before. Yeasterday I accepted a update
09:33<mr>the will if i see you i'll wipe you off tha map boy
09:33<padski_>!ops mr is a troll
09:34<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: padski_ complains about: mr is a troll
09:34<D>pete: update for what
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09:34<petterson>D: And now I cannot boot with the new kernel image. I get an error: kernel panic, not syncing... no such file or directory
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09:34<themill>weasel: D is the same client
09:34<petterson>D: I accept every update ... didn't read... but I think it was a kernel image update
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09:35<themill>weasel, RichiH: thanks, guys
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09:35<RichiH>themill: any update on the key strangeness?
09:36<RichiH>themill: i poked fw, but he did not reply, yet
09:36<padski_>why am I seeing openssh-client and openssh-server as kept back ?
09:36<themill>RichiH: someone added a comment to the wiki about it, but that's it.
09:36<@weasel>because you don't understand apt.
09:36<themill>padski_: dist-upgrade not jsut upgrade. it's trying to isntall a new package
09:36<padski_>weasel, that would be it ;-)
09:36<@weasel>dist-ugprade vs. upgrade?
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09:38<padski_>huh, why is it a dist-upgrade ?
09:39<themill>padski_: it's trying to install a new package (openssh-blacklist)
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09:39<padski_>ah! ok I get it, thanks :-)
09:39<RichiH>themill: bleh
09:41<petterson>themill: how do I reinstall the kernel?
09:41<themill>RichiH: tbh, I don't have the time or inclination to put any more time into it (having spent all yesterday on this). I've now already replaced all by certs so my motivation to look further is now purely idle curiosity which is heavily moderated by how busy I am with other things.... :(
09:42<themill>RichiH: But do ping me if you find out answers to this question... because idle curiosity is still a powerful motive :)
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09:42<nevyn>themill: what about ssh host keys?
09:43<nevyn>and ssh keypairs
09:43<themill>nevyn: that was yesterday's task. All replaced now. (except for one box that I'm keep aside for some testing in case RichiH comes up with some interesting test cases for me :)
09:45<nevyn>I do think that this is the right time for
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09:46<maxb>Is there information on how the blacklists were generated anywhere?
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09:46<maxb>I am wondering whether it is feasible/likely for an rsa-4096 one to be added
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09:49<themill>maxb: there have been a lot of requests for this. Unfortunately, the source for openssh-blacklist doesn't contain anything useful either ;(
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09:49<maxb>I realise it all had to be prepared in a hurry, but lists of magic numbers are undesirable :-/
09:50*maxb wonders if a case could be made for the openssh-blacklist package being DFSG-violating by containing binary 'firmware' :-)
09:51<maxb>(Yes, I know I'm being silly)
09:51<RichiH>maxb: the generation of 4096 bit stuff is more or less trivial
09:51<maxb>If you know how
09:52<RichiH>i accept major credit cards and beer
09:52<padski_>I don't have /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-3, does that mean I am not licensed ;-)
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09:52<maxb>Lots of people seem to have liked to generate 4096 bit keys out of paranoia, so the current blacklist is somewhat incomplete
09:53<RichiH>maxb: when you are done, share back
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09:54<padski_>but they were out to get us! :-)
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09:55<RichiH>maxb: most of the keys i use(d) are/were 4096 bit
09:55<RichiH>there is no real reason to do any less
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09:56<nevyn>RichiH: if you have an 800mhz PIII workstations
09:56<RichiH>come to think of it, if the 8192 bit key bug is fixed in ssh..
09:56<RichiH>nevyn: how many of them do you have?
09:56<nevyn>RichiH: standard destkops at the office...
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10:08<astronut>so pdf2ps is choking on a file
10:08<astronut>and it seems that makes every pdf reader ever choke on it as well
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10:09<themill>astronut: probably a b0rked pdf then. Where's it from?
10:11<astronut>lecture notes
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10:11<astronut>they all display it fine so far as i can tell (didn't check every page)
10:11<themill>astronut: do you know how they were generated?
10:11<astronut>from powerpoint?
10:11<astronut>evince could manipulate it and spit it back into a pdf fine
10:11<astronut>i'm trying acroread now
10:12<astronut>no luck
10:13<astronut>producer $hash) { ssh_fprint_check "$h
10:13<astronut>oops, wrong text
10:13<astronut>Acrobat Distiller 6.0.1 (Windows)
10:13<astronut>cratir PScript5.dll Version 5.2
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10:14<astronut>it has a lot of pictures but i dunno
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10:15<themill>astronut: gah... mangled pdfs are a pig to deal with. Try using pdfnup to generate a new pdf even if you make it a 1x1 page. Or use pdftk to try to repair it.
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10:15<mysupper_>hello guys
10:15<astronut>i already ran it through pdftk trying to repair
10:16<astronut>it went fine
10:16<astronut>it's the pdf->ps that seems to be the problem
10:16<abrotman>do any of the pdf2 tools work ?
10:17<astronut>i only have 2 pdf2*s
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10:18<abrotman>!find pdf2html etch
10:18<abrotman>i thought that existed
10:19<dpkg>Debian Search of 'pdf2html' (2): (/usr/share/doc/htdig-doc/examples/doc2html/ in doc/htdig-doc ;; (/usr/lib/swish-e/perl/, /usr/share/doc/swish-e/examples/prog-bin/, /usr/share/doc/swish-e/examples/filter-bin/ in web/swish-e.
10:19<astronut>though i have pdftotext and pdftoppm and pdftops
10:19<astronut>the last failed
10:20<abrotman>there are two pdftohtml
10:20<astronut>those are both perl modules
10:20<abrotman>no .. pdftohtml . not pdf2html
10:21<abrotman>!find bin/pdftohtml etch
10:21<dpkg>Debian Search of 'bin/pdftohtml' (1): (/usr/bin/pdftohtml) in text/pdftohtml,utils/poppler-utils.
10:21<abrotman>not sure how they differ
10:21<abrotman>or if they do at all
10:21*astronut is going to print page by page until i find the bad page
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10:22<astronut>found it
10:23<abrotman>1st page? :)
10:23<astronut>page 5 on the 4/page one
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10:24<astronut>it seems everything after that too
10:25<nevyn>so I have a key signed by a whole bunch of dd's.. I wonder if I sent a pubkey to debian-sysadmin..... ;)
10:25<astronut>nope, 10 is ok
10:25<astronut>nevyn: it's upload to keyring@debian
10:26<nevyn>astronut: I didn't really think it'd work.
10:26<nevyn>debian's far to paranoid usually...
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10:29<astronut>i take it back, got everything but page 5
10:30<astronut>and there it goes
10:30<astronut>page by page print worked
10:30<abrotman>yay .. or something
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10:41<StucKman_>about ssh-vulnkey -a, what should I do with Unknown keys?
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10:53<ezra>hello, yesterday I did an upgrade in testing and today I have problems with X, when I clic on a menu I have the maintain clic pressed for it to show up, at first I thought it was gnome but I think I see the same behaviour with non-gtk applications also
10:53<ezra>anyne knows if anything going on?
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11:01<themill>StucKman_: replace them, especially if you know that they were made using the weak version of openssl.
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11:04<StucKman_>themill: tx
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11:05<meisteris>good evening
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11:05<meisteris>any recommendations for light weight internet browser for debian etch?
11:06<nick01>how do I get the gnome system sounds to work in gnome ? I installed the suggested package- still not working
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11:07<witte>meisteris: dillo would be quite light
11:07<meisteris>do yourself a favor - do not use gnome, life will be much easier ;D
11:07<nick01>meisteris, :|
11:08<mort_gib>Hi all, quick question, I have been using OTHER LINUX distros for servers before, but I want to have a look at debian
11:08<meisteris>witte does dillo support cookies and utf?
11:08<mort_gib>-Is there a "Server CD"
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11:08<themill>mort_gib: no. Just use the netinst and select the tasks you want. Or select nothing and install things afterwards using aptitude.
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11:09<meisteris>you can use any cd, and when installing you can chose server option ;)
11:09<mort_gib>themill: I tried netinst but something must have gone wrong downloading the thing!
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11:11<mort_gib>meisteris: Yeah, but we are talking 21 CD's and which version is latest stable??
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11:11<themill>mort_gib: you don't need anything past CD1 or the netinst to do the installation
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11:13<witte>meisteris: don't know, i don't use it
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11:13<meisteris>i will just give it a go then (:
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11:16<mort_gib>themill: Thanks, I'm using CentOS for Asterisk servers, but I'm not VERY happy with RedHat patches....
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11:17<mort_gib>Next Question... Soekris 5501 -Any feedback??
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11:17<witte>does anyone know why i can print pdf's from evince and acrobat, but not from xpdf?
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11:18<azeem>witte: were you able to print from xpdf in the past?
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11:18<meisteris>maybe your xpdf is not compatible with your printing device? :)
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11:19<Wesley> My debian install gets stuck at "select and install - retrieving file 106 of 106 - 18%" anyone got any clue why?
11:20<panthera>check tty2 for messages
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11:20<personman>bad disk/corrupt download?
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11:21<witte>azeem: yeah, i used to, but that has been quite a while ago
11:22<witte>azeem: btw, i run sid if it would make a difference
11:22<meisteris>yes dillo is nice and fast indeed, no support for css tho :/ most pages do look verry weird ):
11:22<witte>azeem: and i think i had this problem before, was able to solve it, but forgot how...
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11:23<witte>Wesley: try to add multiple repositories in the installation phase
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11:24<themill>Wesley: are you selecting anything at the tasksel stage? Are you installing off the netinst cd?
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11:26<R2r>hello need help with 64bit debain systems
11:26<R2r>HP BIOS: 0x456098 error code: OS i386 type 0x7629192: Unable to emulate 32-bit system: drop sys:[os is not supported on this configuration]
11:26<padski>R2r, how is the blade ?
11:26<R2r>HP BIOS: 0x456098 error code: OS i386 type 0x7629192: Unable to emulate 32-bit system: drop sys:[os is not supported on this configuration]
11:26<R2r>read it and you will know
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11:27<padski>R2r, are you tryiny to run i386 or amd64 ?
11:27<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to see if backporting something from lenny will be easy?
11:27<azeem>witte: maybe you should elaborate what you mean with "cannot print"
11:27<R2r>tried both
11:27<padski>R2r, same error ?
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11:28<R2r>no diffrent for amd64
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11:28<witte>azeem: I can press print, no error, the task comes in my cups lists as completed, but actual printing is done
11:28<witte>azeem: nothing special in the /var/log/cups directory
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11:29<witte>azeem: lpr from commandline works
11:29<azeem>witte: did you try to print to a file somehow?
11:30<R2r>HP:BIOS - 0xO92810 OS ERROR -BIT64 PROCESSOR "AMD"
11:30<witte>azeem: not yet, will try that now
11:30<R2r>this means it can only run on the AMD one but not on the blade
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11:31<R2r>only my amd64 processor will be running the quad core will just sit there
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11:33<R2r>just leave the blade i'll install HP:os2 x
11:33<witte>azeem: strange, when i try to print to ps, there are 6 empty pages instead of the paper, so this will most likely be the cause
11:33<R2r>comming to my laptop how do i get debian for free
11:34<R2r>how to use the boT??
11:34<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.
11:34<padski>better still /msg dpkg ping
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11:35<R2r>yo padski is there any chance of me getting a free cd shipment of debain like ubuntu
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11:36<witte>azeem: pdf2ps on the file gave an error ("**** Warning file has a corrupted %%EOF marker ..."), while pdftops resulted in a correct ps, probably evince and xpdf use a different tool...
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11:37<themill>witte: pdftk can often fix up pdfs like that. Also pdfnup.
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11:37<R2r>The Debian project does not send out free CDs. read it padski
11:38<dpkg>freecd is, like, no free cd, see
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11:38<EmleyMoor>Nothing to stop you doing one yourself of course
11:38<azeem>witte: yes, they are diverging code bases
11:39<R2r>ubuntu does offer this
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11:39<meisteris>make a nice donation to debian project, then maybe there will be free cd shipments like in ubuntu case
11:39<themill>R2r: this is #debian not #ubuntu
11:39<R2r>i know just comparing
11:39<R2r>sorry man you get angry fast!!
11:40<meisteris>there is nothing to compare ubuntu < debian
11:40<less>What other distros do is their business.
11:40<less>And noone here is angry as far as I can see.
11:41<mort_gib>Btw, why do "insert your name" like Debian better than other Distros??
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11:41<petemc>im pretty angry
11:41<petemc>not furious
11:42<themill>dpkg: comfort petemc
11:42<dpkg>There, there, petemc. It's OK. I'm here for you.
11:42<petemc>thats better
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11:43<fxiny>get a real comfort
11:43<fxiny>!beer petemc
11:43*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for petemc
11:43<meisteris>mort_gib, debian is not "my name" and i have rly not much to do with debian, just telling that bubuntu is not as good as debian is :)
11:44<R2r>!beer r2r
11:44*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for r2r
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11:44<less>Cheers, R2r!
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11:45<mort_gib>Well, I use OpenBSD for Firewalls, I use Ubuntu on my laptop, I use CentOS/Fedora on servers, but I'm just always looking for better...
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11:46<R2r>debain is the base for linux how can a son be better tha his father!!!!!!!!
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11:46<EmleyMoor>I am going more and more towards Debian for everything
11:46<fxiny>fetora ?
11:46<padski>each and every day ...
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11:47<less>Linux is just the name of the kernel IMHO.
11:47<mort_gib>fxiny: Well not lately... :)
11:47<mort_gib>And It's Fedora
11:48<R2r>can i install debian to a usb stick and have my pakages over an usb hdd
11:48<mort_gib>EmleyMoor: Even for Desktop??
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11:48<EmleyMoor>mort_gib: Have used little else for desktop since 1999
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11:49<mort_gib>Thing is I want it SIMPLE, and with very little automation for server installs, but Desktops... I just want a quick setup
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11:49<less>I'm sure you can, R2r. Google can tell you how. I should know, I Googled for it myself recently.
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11:49<witte>themill: the pdftk program did remove the error, but i still can't print the file using xpdf,. Well, it is not that important, i will look further into it when i have more time
11:50<witte>themill and azeem: thanks
11:50<themill>witte: hmmm... good luck with it
11:50<NinjaMan>does anyone know how to solve the aMule instability issues - like crashing on closing messages and searches
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11:52<mort_gib>EmleyMoore: I have tried a LOT of stuff, ended up on Ubuntu because WiFi just worked, without fuss
11:52<EmleyMoor>mort_gib: At the stage I went to WiFi, it was all fuss, no matter what you used... and it's been hassle-free on Debian since at least the release of etch
11:53<fxiny>mort_gib: freebsd4 (not too bad) some redhatta (i have no words) , could not get potato installed . bought a full woody collection : i always wanted to run debian .
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11:56<mort_gib>EmleyMoor: Yeah I had the same problems, but I guess i just changed in a lucky moment then ;-)
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11:56<fxiny>mort_gib: debian fits in my happiness
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11:57<fxiny>fetora can't :P
11:57<mort_gib>fxiny: I use them mostly on Soekris 4801 -5501
11:57<meisteris>right now i have two favorite distributions those are debian and arc linux, i thin arch is doing rly good work as for that young distro, but i prefer debian becouse it is more stable thing and you can't rly go wrong with debian and there is local mirror for debian (:
11:57<mort_gib>OpenBSD that is
11:57<fxiny>mort_gib: say what you want : there is only a mith :)
11:57<tomv_w>hi, is there a tool that can automatically enforce a "width" for polgons in svg?
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11:58<mort_gib>fxiny: mith??
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12:01<fxiny>mort_gib: s/a/one/ ;)
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12:03<mort_gib>fxiny: That's like second time I see that today, what does that mean??
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12:06<themill>mort_gib: it's from perl, sed, etc regular expressions: $variable =~ s/pattern/replacement/ substitutes one pattern for another.
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12:07<mort_gib>themill: Don't like regular express..
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12:09<fxiny>real men sometimes do sexeger instead of regexes , no jokes ,)
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12:13<rostedt>hi all
12:14<rostedt>I have (yet another) box that I'm upgrading from etch to testing
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12:14<rostedt>I changed the sources.list and then did the update and dist-upgrade
12:15<witte>mmm, no such factoid :-)
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12:15<robocop101>crumbs...still the same jumpy screensaver and no 3d accelleration \ graphics
12:15<rostedt>but then I got an error message about libc6 having problems and to do a install -f. I did the install -f
12:15<themill>witte: bloody should be
12:15<rostedt>witte: I did that already
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12:15<rostedt>it didn't help :-(
12:15<meisteris>what kernel version is used in testing at the moment?
12:15<witte>I thought i remembered one as well...
12:15<themill>dpkg: etch->lenny
12:15<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.
12:15<witte>meisteris: 2.6.24
12:16<rostedt>the install -f complained that debconf and tzdata are not up to date. Both of them have been partially upgraded
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12:16<themill>rostedt: is the problem about exim? read upwards in the scrollback. it's the first error that's important
12:16<rostedt>trying to update them, complains that libc6 isn't up to date :-)
12:16<meisteris>i think i should try to upgrade too, but i have hell of a strange sound card on my ibm 600e
12:17<robocop101>seems like ati doesnt like debian?..all i know is i want to make the card work then i will be a happy chappy :)
12:17<rostedt>note, this is a ppc box too
12:17<meisteris>needed to pass some weird parameters to module for it to work, and i am not sure it will work on testing :/
12:18<witte>!tell robocop101 about fglrx one-liner
12:18<rostedt>I'm now stuck in a catch-22 where libc6 wants debconf and tzdata, but they are not fully installed, and the two want the latest libc6 :-/
12:18<witte>rostedt: can you upload your full error message to a pastebin
12:19<witte>!tell rostedt about pastebin
12:19<rostedt>witte: sure
12:19<meisteris>any one using msi cb54g2 pcmcia wifi card (rt2500 chip) on testing?
12:19<rostedt>witte: I know about it, thanks ;-)
12:19<meisteris>in etch this card does not work if i enable acpi
12:19<robocop101>witte.....ok ok.......lemme work this out..the one liner will only work if something is added to or modified in the sources.list?
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12:19<themill>rostedt: you don't need or even want fglrx for the card you have told us that you have. the radeon driver is fine.
12:20<witte>themill: you mean robocop101
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12:20<themill>robocop101: you don't need or even want fglrx for the card you have told us that you have. the radeon driver is fine.
12:21<themill>why can't all 300 of your have different first letters so that tab completion works better!
12:21<witte>meisteris: that rt2500 wireless stuff is included in the 2.6.24 kernel
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12:21<witte>meisteris: at least its rt2x00 counterpart
12:21<dpkg>The rt2x00 project ( provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source'. Read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Also ask about <ralink firmware>.
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12:23<robocop101>themill.....ok why does 3d acceleration not work?..glxgears doesnt either, and the screensavers are jumpy as hell?
12:23<meisteris>hmm and i saw yesterday some weird (too empty) xorg.conf fromtesting, does it mean, it detects everything by the help of hal?
12:23<themill>meisteris: yes
12:23<witte>meisteris: don't know what it uses, but xorg is getting smarter with every release
12:24<valdyn>since when does Xorg use hal ?
12:24<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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12:24<themill>meisteris: as of 7.3 it needs almost no configuration. 7.3 has just gone into lenny
12:24<meisteris>i had verry big problem on gentoo with xorg+hal
12:25<meisteris>i wanted to use my keyboard layouts and instead i got not working mouse or/and keyboard
12:25<meisteris>so me affraid alot of hal
12:25<valdyn>meisteris: youre just making that connection between Xorg and hal up
12:26<robocop101>themill......the one liner tells me something is missing from my sources.list
12:26<meisteris>valdyn in my case of gentoo exp it rly was hal's fault i am 100% sure of that
12:27<meisteris>not sure if it was 7.3 version of x tho
12:27<witte>robocop101: the one-liner tells you something about the closed source ati driver, not the open source driver themill was talking about
12:28<mitch>themill: etch is the one with xfce4 right?
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12:28<themill>mitch: xfce4 is in etch, yes
12:28<rostedt>witte: I went threw the steps again (I lost my back scroll) and this time I did a apt-get -f dist-upgrade. Here's the paste:
12:28<meisteris>etch is do have xfce4, but by defualt if came with gnome
12:29<rostedt>witte: I notice now that the configuring of debconf took a segfault
12:29<robocop101>am I on a different planet or something?
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12:29<themill>rostedt: nice.... :)
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12:30<fxiny>meisteris: cd1 installs gnome , cd2 kde , cd3 xfce4
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12:30<meisteris>yes, i picked wrong cd and now i am stiull strugling with gnome removal mission :D
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12:32<rostedt>bah! dpkg-preconfigure segfaults itself!
12:32<witte>rostedt: try upgrading in this sequence:
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12:32<witte>it is for upgrading from sarge to etch, but using the same order for etch to lenny wont hurt
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12:34<rostedt>witte: thanks, I'll see if I can salvage this
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12:38<witte>rostedt: well, it starts from 4.5.4, and i would start doing the upgrade one by one, first the most important ones, until a dist-upgrade works
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12:38<rostedt>witte: yeah, but right now my problem is that dpkg-preconfigure segfaults
12:39<rostedt>witte: it's just a perl script. I'm looking now to see what exactly is faulting. It happens in right at the eval statement in the BEGIN
12:39<mitch>themill: is there a way to install from the cd with xfce or will it just throw me into gnome
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12:46<themill>mitch: something like "tasks=standard, xfce4-desktop" at the boot prompt, I would guess. But I'm guessing...
12:47<rostedt>grumble.... I found that all the Debconf perl packages don't work :-p
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12:48<themill>rostedt: perl itself is probably deeply unhappy because of the libc breakage on your system.
12:48<robocop101>how do you get super user?? this sux?
12:48<rostedt>themill: perl runs fine
12:49<themill>rostedt: OK. That's a start :)
12:49<fxiny>robocop101: s/sux/su
12:49<simonrvn>for sure
12:49<rostedt>themill: I commented out all the calls to Debconf packages, and the code runs. Just complains when it tries to use one of the packages
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12:53<meisteris>is there midori in testing repositories?
12:53<themill>!tell meisteris about search
12:53<sea> !tell sea about keys
12:53<meisteris>i am not using testing
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12:54<sea>!tell sea about keys | gpg
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12:55<witte>!tell sea about no public key
12:55<witte>sea: is that the one you were looking for?
12:56<sea>yes thx
12:56<themill>meisteris: that doesn't stop you from using :)
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12:57<meisteris>yes i see now, ty verry much
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13:05<Defunctus>anyone here? i have some trouble installing debian and need some help plz...
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13:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:08<Defunctus>during install it wont find my nVidia Corporation MCP67 ethernet controller so i can not connect to the internet and not install anything at all
13:08<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
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13:17<homer>how do i see the list of available channels
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13:18<themill>homer: /msg chanserv help
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13:19<homer>themill, i don't understand the helper
13:19<rostedt>ok, looks like I may have messed things up beyond repair. Unless anyone else has more ideas?
13:20<witte>rostedt: did you make any progress after your last pastebin?
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13:20<homer>does anyone know of a good ERD UML modeling tool for linux which is free
13:20<rostedt>witte: nope, seems that debconf is hosed
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13:21<witte>rostedt: can you dpkg -i some files (can be found in /var/cache/apt/archives
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13:21<witte>rostedt: with some files, i would try to start with debconf
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13:21<EmleyMoor>homer: You are Tom Fuegi and I claim my 7 Euros
13:22<rostedt>witte: should I try to reinstall the old debconf
13:22<rostedt>I have them too
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13:22<m4steR>I installed compiz and driver ati
13:22<witte>rostedt: don't know how to solve your problems, but that are at least two options to try, I would first try the new version
13:23<m4steR>but if i try 'compiz' -> Checking for Xgl: not present.
13:23<m4steR>ati drivers are perfect
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13:23<m4steR>the direct rendering is ok
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13:26<witte>m4steR: do you have xserver-xlg installed?
13:27<witte>m4steR: ignore that,
13:27<m4steR>witte, the guide on compiz site does not suggested
13:27<m4steR>installing xserver-xgl...
13:27<witte>m4steR: i was looking at a ubuntu forum where they mention that, but it is not in debian... maybe just an old site
13:27<m4steR>witte, ah ok
13:27<m4steR>some ideas?
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13:30<dpkg>[xgl-howto] a useless factoid.
13:30<dpkg>i guess xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see or deprecated and unsupported
13:30<dpkg>i guess compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
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13:43<_ZeuZ_>Hmmm.. there's something weird, with my current script for dealing with the network I can not log through ssh remotely,so through webmin (port to whom I did not reffer in any place) I flushed all the rules and re applied the previous script, though, as I wasnt able to log in still, I restarted the service hoping it would work... but it did not... any idea what might be going wrong?
13:43<jthomas>How can I use xtightvncviewer to connect to an Apple OSX vnc server? My xtightvncviewer fails...
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13:43<themill>in what way... don't leave us in suspense
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13:44<_ZeuZ_>themill, who was the destiny of that last message of yours?
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13:46<themill>_ZeuZ_: Both you and jthomas, I guess
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13:50<_ZeuZ_>themill: lol, any idea of my problem? I could show you the scripts... also, there's something weird, webmin does not report that there's an ssh server running on the server, although at the times I usually check, I do it through ssh and without problem...
13:50<jthomas>In what way how? I have no idea, it flashes on my Linux desktop like it is starting to connect, then closes and I am back at the prompt with this info, " xtightvncviewer: VNC server closed connection." However it works fine with Krdc.
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13:59<Frolic>I'm using pbuilder for the first time. I'd use the command pbuilder create --distribution sid --mirror
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13:59<Frolic>the thing going well until "Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt"
14:00<Frolic>there's more than 20 min in this step, and I don't know what can I check.
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14:18*meisteris crosses fingers and do apt-get dist-upgrade (:
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14:19<EmleyMoor>When did aptitude in lenny start including the package counts per group?
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14:21<Laeborg> - i get this error when i try to connect to my debian server via NX
14:22<chantanito>hi, i just need a little bit of help in here
14:22<chantanito>i just need to know, what happened to xorg in lenny?
14:22<chantanito>i mean, my xorg.conf in almost blank...
14:22<EmleyMoor>Laeborg: Did you search the system log file as suggested?
14:23<chantanito>and i'm trying to fix some video problem and don't know what to modify...
14:23<EmleyMoor>chantanito: What problem?
14:23<NinjaMan>does anyone know how to prevent module-assistant re-extracting the module tar ball?
14:24<meisteris>as far as i can tell, xorg in lenny is using some kind of advanced alien technology to detect your hardware (:
14:24<chantanito>EmleyMoor: my display doesn't fill the complete size of the screen...
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14:25<chantanito>EmleyMoor: i'm takin' a screenshot...
14:25<EmleyMoor>chantanito: What kind of screen?#
14:25<chantanito>EmleyMoor: i mean, my monitor..
14:25<Laeborg>yeah EmleyMoor and theres a lots of error. Should i paste it?
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14:26<EmleyMoor>chantanito: What kind of monitor?
14:26<chantanito>EmleyMoor: my Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
14:26<EmleyMoor>Laeborg: pastebin the seemingly relevant lines
14:26<chantanito>EmleyMoor: sorry, that's my adapter's name..
14:26<chantanito>EmleyMoor: it's a laptop
14:27<EmleyMoor>chantanito: Ah, so a built in flat panel - not sure I'll be able to help much more in that case...
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14:27<chantanito>EmleyMoor: but, do you know what happened to xorg?
14:28<EmleyMoor>chantanito: Not specifically, in lenny - but X configs have been shrinking for years
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14:31<chantanito>EmleyMoor: please, take a look to my xorg.conf at
14:33<EmleyMoor>chantanito: No idea, sorry...
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14:33<chantanito>EmleyMoor: thanks :)
14:34<loopde>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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14:36<chantanito>loopde: the same thing, it doesn't changes a thing
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14:37<ex-bart>chantanito: have a look at
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14:38<ex-bart>chantanito: my xserver (ATI) startet to autoconfigure itself some days ago and got the default resolution wrong; maybe it's the same with the intel driver
14:39<chantanito>thanks ex-bart...
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14:40<ex-bart>chantanito: look for "Forcing a preferred mode"
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14:57<rostedt>witte: fyi, I think I may have a way out of my mess
14:57<rostedt>witte: I found that perl-base is still normal, but perl-modules was the problem
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14:58<rostedt>so by doing a "dpkg -x archive/perl-modules-etch /" made the debconf work again
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14:58<witte>rostedt: great news!
14:58<witte>rostedt: probably a lot of manual installing things will be needed, but you should be able to get there step by step :-)
14:59<rostedt>witte: yeah, and thanks for the help
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15:00<rostedt>witte: this is on a development ppc board, and the guy that gave it to me told me that there's a backup partition. Sure enough, if I make a mistake, I can still remount to the backup partition and fix things
15:00<ivucica>"Reading database..." step in DPKG takes about one and a half minute to pass. The /var/lib/dpkg directory produces a whooping 76mb TAR file (no compression) which makes me think that it might be the reason (especially considering that /var/lib/dpkg/info contains some files from packages uninstalled long time ago)?
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15:02<simonrvn>hence you should --purge ...
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15:03<ivucica>simonrvn what should I purge?
15:03<ivucica>all packages?
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15:03<simonrvn>whatever you've removed
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15:03<ivucica>i mean, all packages i removed
15:03<ivucica>thing is, i removed some packages whose config files i DONT want removed ;)
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15:04<ivucica>stuffs that i removed temporarily
15:04<simonrvn>so don't remove tohse
15:04<ivucica>is there a way to speed up this WITHOUT going through hundreds of packages i removed in the last two years? :)
15:04<ivucica>that is, just optimize reading database, without killing all the cfg files?
15:05<ivucica>im not really against cfg files, i just want to speed up "reading database" step
15:05<ivucica>and i don't think that those files in /var/lib/dpkg/ constitute "configuration files" for, e.g., apache
15:05<simonrvn>it's reading the status file
15:05<ivucica>hm :S
15:05<ivucica>and just the status file?
15:05<simonrvn>when doing that, yes.
15:06<ivucica>is 3.2 mb a normal size for that file?
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15:06<ivucica>or should i simply go and kill all the extra stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
15:07<simonrvn>that won't change anything
15:07<ivucica>...any tips, aside from listing all the packages i currently have and installing them again? ;)
15:07<ivucica>(reinstalling debian from scratch)
15:08<simonrvn>don't install so much shit, and keep sources.list trimmed
15:08<ivucica>thanks for the LATE tip :)
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15:08<ivucica>any tips that i can apply NOW? :)
15:08<ivucica>(apologies for being annoying are attached)
15:09<d0rt>more RAM?
15:09<ivucica>d0rt ram isn't an issue here :)
15:09<ivucica>still have plenty of it left :)
15:09<d0rt>faster processor?
15:09<ivucica>(well not plenty but ...)
15:10<ivucica>it's a laptop
15:10<ivucica>no upgrades any time soon :)
15:10<d0rt>the real answer is
15:10<ivucica>besides, if anything, the I/O is a bottleneck
15:10<d0rt>grow more patience :-]
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15:10<ivucica>hehe, i've had plenty and too much of it :)
15:11<ivucica>so now i'm trying to find a way to clean up the stuff that amassed itself here, to save my patience for bigger issues :)
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15:12<toasty>i'm getting an error message when i try to use aptitude to add a package. it says "W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
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15:12<jthomas>toasty: does the package install?
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15:13<toasty>it stops at that message
15:13<ivucica>toasty, the lock file is obviously read-only
15:13<ivucica>try chmodding the file mentioned to something like 700
15:13<jthomas>is it a local package or a repository package?
15:13<toasty>what is the files name?
15:13<ivucica>jthomas: note that it says it's a read only lock file which is not normal
15:13<jthomas> /var/lib/dpkg/lock
15:13<toasty>oh yeah.
15:14<jthomas>When I plug my fat32 into my Lenny system (KDE 3.5.x) and pick "open in new window", it fails to open saying that i don't have read/write permissions. I've had this before and was somehow able to fix it, but I've forgotten how. does any one know how to make this work?
15:14<ivucica>open /etc/fstab as root
15:15<ivucica>it should mention your fat32 partition somewhere
15:15<ivucica>does it?
15:15<jthomas>no, this is a flash drive
15:15<ivucica>well i have these options set for my built-in drive's fat32 partitions
15:16<ivucica>if you find where to put those ... :)
15:16<toasty>ok. one more. i need to remount my filesystem as rw. right now it's read-only. i remember a command like "mount -o /dev/hda rw" or something like that but i'm not sure what it was exactly.
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15:17<ivucica>toasty, mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/hdaX -o remount,rw
15:17<toasty>i c
15:17<ivucica>you probably need to remount your var partition
15:17<ivucica>so punch in
15:17<ivucica>$ mount
15:17<ivucica>find what device is your /var partition
15:17<ivucica>and remount that, as stated above
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15:18<ivucica>of course substitute /mnt/hdaX with /var :)
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15:18<toasty>says it rw
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15:18<ivucica>perhaps you just need to chmod the file, tried to do that?
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15:21<malademental>hi free guys!
15:22<malademental>(free like in freedome huh ^^)
15:23<meisteris>why only guys? are't any free girls?
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15:24<malademental>guyz and girls :p i dunno how to say "guyz and girls" in english, i'm french ^^
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15:24<malademental>i thought that guys was for "people"
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15:25<mitch>How do i get the real firefox on debian
15:25<malademental>hey =)
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15:25<malademental>you can compile it mitch
15:25<meisteris>you can say guys for "people" but some noobs (like me, takes guys for "guys") :D
15:26<malademental>meisteris, sexist!!!! :p
15:26<mitch>malademental, when i do that with what is on debian repos i still get iceweisel
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15:27<malademental>iceweasel ^^
15:27<meisteris>it is same firefox
15:27<meisteris>only trhe name different
15:28<mitch>yah but that is the reason why my school's web stie won't work
15:28<mitch>i was wondering how i could get the real firefox
15:28<mitch>i have a ppc
15:28<malademental>meisteris, my developement teacher said me that it was quite different
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15:28<meisteris>well yes, it depends on with what options it was compiled rly
15:29<meisteris>but they are both from same source
15:29<malademental>mitch, download the sources on firefox website, and compile it
15:29<malademental>meisteris, yep that's true
15:29<mitch>malademental, only way i gather?
15:29<meisteris>you can download binary firefox
15:29<meisteris>and use it
15:29<malademental>mitch, don't know
15:29<meisteris>if you don't want/like to compile
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15:30<malademental>meisteris, everybody likes to compile :D
15:30<meisteris>not really
15:30<mitch>meisteris, is there a ppc binary
15:30<meisteris>i think everybody likes to compile when the process is going well
15:30<meisteris>ahh, so yo uare using ppc...
15:31<meisteris>nope then
15:31<meisteris>compile compile compile, gl
15:31<mitch>will firefox 2 even compile on a ppc
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15:31<meisteris>i did it on gentoo when i had mac
15:31<meisteris>dunno how it is properly done in debian tho
15:32<mitch>well this computer is a pos
15:32<mitch>just need it for web
15:32<mitch>Do you think i coud build firefox 3?
15:32<malademental>does someone has a dell inspiron 6400 laptop? i have a touchpad problem
15:32<malademental>mitch, yes you can
15:32<malademental>mitch, it's open source so you can ^^
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15:32<meisteris>ff3 is quite a mystery :)
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15:33<mitch>malademental, can you hold my hand while I do this? I'm a ubunutu user aka newb
15:33<malademental>meisteris, it is quite nice ff3, i tried it
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15:33<malademental>mitch, we can do this, but then you will have to pay (in nature :p)
15:34<meisteris>yes i like ff3 too, it is my favorite now, but on gentoo i tried 4 times to compile and all = fail
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15:34<mitch>malademental, i'll talk dirty to u after
15:34<malademental>mitch, that's perfect
15:35<simonrvn>why build firefox 3 when you can just drop the tarball into /usr/local/lib and make appropriate symlinks?
15:35<mitch>malademental, okay so i am trying to extract the source but it doesn't extract i guess i'll have to use the comandline
15:35<wferi>Hi! Clicking the Login button on alioth says the certificate can't be verified. It's issued by How could I trust this CA? spi-cacert.crt on is something else...
15:35<malademental>meisteris, h?h?, gentoo the 1337 distro!
15:35<malademental>let's go in pv mitch
15:35<malademental>1337 = leet = elite
15:35<meisteris>oh pls don;t go i want to watch (:
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15:36<meisteris>ah it is not that much harder than debian only takes alot more time to install :D
15:37<meisteris>couse you compile everything
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15:38<meisteris>simonrvn yes, when you are using x86 hardware that is true indeed
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15:38<meisteris>but if you have ppc
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15:38<meisteris>compile is the only option
15:38<malademental>meisteris, you really want we do the compilation on main chan?
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15:38<meisteris>no, i mean't the dirty talking thing :D
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15:40<malademental>i'll come back after for dirty talking meisteris :p
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15:41*meisteris looking forward to that
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15:50<zered>hi =)
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15:50<malademental>does someone has a dell inspiron 6400 there? i have a touchpad scroll problem
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15:52<Orijin4l>i just did a apt-get dist-upgrade and it claimed to have updated to 2.6
15:52<Orijin4l>but a uname -a stil reports 2.6.18
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15:53<Orijin4l>any ideas why ?
15:53<zered>did you reboot after the dist-upgrade ?
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15:53<witte>Orijin4l: updated what?
15:54<witte>Orijin4l: and which debian are you running?
15:54<Orijin4l>i am running etch
15:54<Orijin4l>and it said
15:54<Orijin4l>The following NEW packages will be installed
15:54<Orijin4l> linux-image-2.6.18-6-686
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15:55<abrotman>Orijin4l: security update
15:55<Orijin4l>does that protect against the vmsplice ?
15:55<witte>Orijin4l: that was already updated a few updates ago
15:55<witte>Orijin4l: so yes
15:56<Orijin4l>so im now running the latest securest kernel ?
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15:56<Orijin4l>but i thought all versions from 2.6.18 -> 2.6.24 were affected
15:56<witte>Orijin4l: yes, but only after reboot of course
15:56<Orijin4l>ive rebooted yes
15:57<witte>Orijin4l: that kernel source original had a security issue, but it is now patched
15:57<Orijin4l>Linux azaroth 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 07:34:27 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
15:57<Orijin4l>is the report from a uname 0a
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15:57<witte>Orijin4l: you are save ;-)
15:57<Orijin4l>i might run the vmsplice
15:57<Orijin4l>just to check :P
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15:59<witte>Orijin4l: please do
15:59<Orijin4l>[-] vmsplice: Bad address
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15:59<Orijin4l>im sekur3 :)
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15:59<malademental>meisteris, allways here? we will talk dirty soon with mitch ^^
16:00<malademental>sources of firefox are really not easily accessible!
16:00<meisteris>and i am doing dist-upgrade and my xorg is going wild
16:01<meisteris>screen blanking, going dark, xorg braking, starting up
16:01<meisteris>real poltergeist (:
16:01<Orijin4l>thanks very much for clearing my confusion witte and abrotman
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16:02<malademental>meisteris, you're gonna have an screen-overdose!
16:02<malademental>like epileptic thing
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16:05<meisteris>now my all screen is verry dark and i can barely see anything :
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16:14<meisteris>update process to lenny goes quite well now :)
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16:14<HaMMiE>hiz :)
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16:14<malademental>hi =)
16:15<malademental>meisteris, back here?
16:15<zered>hi =)
16:15<malademental>meisteris, yeaah, compiling yet!
16:15<meisteris>for the time being till next time xorg breaks :D
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16:16<malademental>so, nobody knows to install touchpad drivers?
16:16<meisteris>you need to do apt-get install synaptics
16:16<meisteris>then adjust xorg.conf
16:17<dpkg>[synaptics] a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see
16:17<malademental>where can i copy my xorg.conf to show you ?
16:17<meisteris>to some pastebin
16:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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16:19<meisteris>i had synaptics touchpad on my mac' so maybe i could help a little, now i am using ibm with trackpoint only (:
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16:20<malademental>there is my
16:21<meisteris>you really need to configure synaptics section, and you can do it two ways
16:21<meisteris>1. do it by hand in xorg.conf
16:21<meisteris>2. get some gui tools
16:21<malademental>like tpconfig?
16:22<malademental>no no
16:23<malademental>s/no no//g
16:23<meisteris>just a min, trying to find something, just i am verry laggy now :/
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16:24<meisteris>you can use ksynaptics if using kde or gsynaptics for gnome or xfce
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16:25<meisteris>to configure it
16:25<malademental>i use e17 :p
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16:25<malademental>but i'll take ksynaptics
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16:25<meisteris>asuming you have the driver installed,
16:26<malademental>yeah that's done
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16:27<meisteris>this is good read about configuring touchpads
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16:28<meisteris>it is in gentoo wiki but information is quite distro independable
16:28<malademental>thanks a lot, i'm gonna read it
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16:28<meisteris>also in terminal
16:28<meisteris>man synaptics
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16:29<meisteris>i would prefer the manual way, becouse you do it once and forget for as long as your linux installation live :)
16:31<malademental>yeah taht's sure, i'll loke at the both sides, gentoo wiki and man
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16:31<meisteris>there is something at the debian wiki aswell
16:32<op>Hi there, does anyone know how I can get MySql version 4 on a 2.4 kernel debian machine with apt-get? I've got the source files if I must but I'd rather save a few hours
16:32<malademental>meisteris, you the perfect man ;)
16:32<cwood>op: perhaps try
16:32<malademental>a living wikipedia meisteris !
16:32<seanius>op: as long as you don't need any kind of (security incl.) support i suggest installing sarge
16:32<dpkg>i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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16:33<op>I only need MySql 4 to do ISAM -> MyISAM table conversions then I'm done with it
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16:34<op>Sarge can run MySql4?
16:34<op>Is there any way I can check if Sarge has ISAM support built in?
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16:35<op>that is does Sarge have ISAM support for MySql?
16:35<cwood>If you need MySQL with this and that and the other the way you want it, why not just compile?
16:36<meisteris>malademental also there is a verry usefull tool for configuring touchpads (for getting right values to xorg.conf) - synclient
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16:36<meisteris>might be interesting too
16:36<op>If I compile it how so I deal with the bizzilions of dependencies it wants?
16:37<witte>op: sarge is oldstable, you should upgrade
16:37<malademental>meisteris, i'm first tryin' with the gentoo-wiki ^^ not easy without a scroller :p
16:38<op>witte: I don't even have sarge installed. I'm looking for a debian version that will run MySql and has ISAM support
16:38<witte>what is isam?
16:38<op>witte: An MySql Engine for tables
16:39<maxb>Do you *Really* mean ISAM, or do you mean MyISAM ?
16:39<op>Yes, its VERY old
16:39<op>The admin that usually takes care of our databases didn't upgrade
16:39<op>and we just moved from MySql 3 to MySql5 and all hell has broken loose because it can't find any of our tables
16:39<maxb>Well, yay
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16:40<maxb>On a box of reasonable power, mysql builds from source in 15mins
16:40<seanius>ah, the "what could possibly go wrong" upgrade
16:40<op>I figured Sarge might have support for ISAM in its MySql binary version
16:40<op>Okay, well what about dependencies?
16:40<seanius>op: there's a 4.0 and 4.1 series of mysql in sarge
16:40<op>I'd need 4.0, I don't think 4.1 has ISAM by default
16:41<seanius>what's this about needing a 2.4 kernel btw
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16:41<op>Oh, ISAM is OS/kernel dependent
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16:41<maxb>That's scary
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16:42<op>Yeah, it sure is luckly the host had RHEL4 on it and i386 with 2.4
16:42<op>so its not too bad
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16:42<op>I'll go and try the source build -_- I much dislike compiled builds so many issues most of the time
16:43<op>afk 10 min
16:43<seanius>op: do you have any kind of virtualization environment available (i.e. xen/vmware/etc)?
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16:44<maxb>Does ISAM really depend on the kernel version? That seems distinctly odd. I can believe it might depend on 32/64-bit, but 2.4/2.6 seems somewhat unlikely?
16:44<seanius>there might be a pthread/linuxthreads issue or something too
16:46<seanius>op: i have a sarge-i386 chroot handy i can check real quick
16:46<op>Ah, I have vmware
16:46<op>and xen
16:46<op>seanius: do you mysql installed on it?
16:47<op>seanius: easy way is to use the mysql command to login
16:47<seanius>op: it's a cleanroom chroot so it will just take a sec to install
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16:47<op>seanius: then execute 'show engines;' without quotes ofcourse
16:47<seanius>okay it's installed :)
16:47<op>seanius: if it says ISAM no then it doesn't have it by default
16:48<maxb>I can't find any definitive statement, but it sounds to me like the ISAM portability issues are most likely big/little-endian and 32/64-bit
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16:49<seanius>mysql> show engines;
16:49<seanius>ERROR 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'engines' at line 1
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16:49<op>show engines;
16:50<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
16:50<op>That should show all the engines...
16:51<seanius>how about just trying to create an ISAM table
16:51<op>That was my next idea but it may be available but not default
16:51<seanius>maxb: nope
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16:52<op>create table tempuserinfo(lname varchar(255), fname varchar(255), email varchar(255), version varchar(50));
16:52<erKURITA>what engine do you want to create?
16:52<erKURITA>I mean, use
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16:52<erKURITA>MyISAM ?
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16:52<op>no ISAM
16:52<erKURITA>it's called MyISAM
16:52<op>We're doing an ISAM -> MyISAM conversion
16:52<seanius>yes, it seems to have ISAM
16:53<op>seanius: where can I get a copy of what you're running?
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16:54<seanius>op: it's a pbuilder sarge chroot... problem is i'm not sure you can easily create them any more since sarge is off the mirrors now
16:54<op>Any idea of how I could get it?
16:54<op>Isn't there one mirror left?
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16:55<seanius>hrm... still seems to be on, just a sec
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16:57<seanius>try something like pbuilder --create --distribution sarge --debootstrap debootstrap
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16:58<seanius>and whenever you get it to work, pbuilder --login, apt-get install mysql-server, /etc/init.d/mysql-server start, and go to town
16:58<op>seanius: I haven't used pbuilder before.. What exactly will it do. Will it mess up my system?
16:58<op>maybe a tutorial somewhere would help
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16:58<dpkg>i heard pbuilder is a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian
16:59<op>So.. it creates a version of debian on my debian system?
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17:00<seanius>it creates a chroot system of different debian releases
17:00<op>seanius: forgive my ignorance but I've never run into a chroot system
17:01<peterS>well, if you just want the chrooting, you can run debootstrap directly, no need to go through pbuilder
17:01<op>peterS: We want the version from sarge
17:01<seanius>peterS: true, but it also deals with the niceties of mounting /proc, and cleaning up after itself
17:01<seanius>but yes, you could use debootstrap directly too
17:01<op>okay, I'll go do that and see how it turns out
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17:02<xx>sombody knows where i can get help with sql ?
17:02<op>Its about time for lunch anyways
17:02<op>Thanks a bunch everyone!
17:03<seanius>op: good luck :)
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17:06<xx>Hello, can sombody give me little bit info? where is the best place to get help with sql ?
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17:08<meisteris>i don't rly know much about sql, but i can offer to give a glance to man sql or do little talk with google (:
17:09<xx>i already tryd..
17:09<xx>thats why i came here......
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17:10<malademental>hum, there isn't an irc chan dedicated to sql?
17:10<dpkg>i heard sql is (Structured Query Language) This is a type of relational database that features data in rows and columns. Each row represents a record. Each column is a field. Most serious database solutions today use some form of SQL to store and access large quantities of data quickly and reliably. or incredibly elite, or at
17:10<xx>it will be nice if u know her
17:10<xx>Sorry, the page you requested cannot be found
17:11<witte>xx: indeed, that factoid seems old
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17:11<witte>xx: do you have a sql problem, or a sql problem related to debian
17:12<xx>i have 26.thousnd users in my website..
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17:12<xx>and the conf is not enouht for it..
17:12<xx>i have 8gb ram
17:12<xx>but i dont know how to set all those up..
17:12<xx>whe just got those numbers of user for exident...
17:13<xx>whe didnt expect it and whe are all noobs :P
17:13<xx>most of them
17:13<witte>xx: is it mysql you are using? because there is a #mysql and #debian-mysql on this channel
17:13<xx>and now whe are screwd
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17:13<xx><witte>: oh man thx for that info
17:13<xx>i was looking for sumthink like that.....
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17:15<seanius>witte: #debian-mysql is not for support
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17:30<helix>has anyone ever had cups print to only the upper left quadrant of a page?
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17:31<helix>how do you fix that?
17:31<witte>seanius: ah, did not know that, just found that they existed
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17:41<witte>helix: looks like a pagesize issue?
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17:47<sirderigo>hola a todos necesito ayuda con algo
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17:47<witte>sirderigo: this is an english channel, don't use Spanish here
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17:48<sirderigo>im really sorry,
17:48<jmgaeteh>sirderigo: in debian-edu some people speak spanish
17:48<sirderigo>i need to know the ip of a remote computer, i am chatting whit that people, how i do it?
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17:49<witte>jmgaeteh: there is also #debian-es ...
17:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:49<sirderigo>dont worry, mi english isnt perfect but i can speak it to
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17:49<jmgaeteh>thanks witte
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17:51<maxb_>Does anyone have any information regarding the architecture-dependency of sshkey generation by the dsa1571 vulnerable systems? I would rather like to generate a blacklist for rsa4096 keys myself, since I have a number of those keys that I would like to audit, rather than indiscriminately replace.
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17:54<jmgaeteh>sirderigo: thanks :)
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17:55<sirderigo>thanks for what?
17:55<sirderigo>i didnt do nothing for you yet
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18:07<mike>Can anybody tell me how to use ld to link several .o files into a single ELF executable? I would simply follow the ld man page (ld -o <output> /lib/crt0.o blahblah.o -lc, except I don't appear to have a /lib/crt0.o.
18:07<mike>Is that a Debian nuance?
18:07<berto>gcc -o file *.o
18:08<mike>berto: Thanks, that gets the job done. But I was looking to strace ld.
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18:08<mike>berto: And I don't know if gcc does the same things.
18:08<berto>strace gcc and look at the output :)
18:08<mike>berto: I did, and it appears to have an integrated link editor, yes. But I'm interested in knowing if ld does the same things.
18:08<mike>berto: Heh heh, fair enough.
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18:13<ffm>Hey, I'm doing a research paper on open source and IRC, and I'm a bit confused about the whole OFTC creation from freenode. Can any of you guys clear it up for me? I'm trying to find the people who made the decision at SPI, but that'll be difficult.
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18:14<dondelelcaro>ffm: see what I said in #oftc
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18:14<ffm>dondelelcaro: I saw.
18:15<mike>berto: Haha, I didn't notice that I hadn't bothered to follow vfork()s in my strace of gcc. If I'd paid attention I would have noticed this:
18:15<ffm>dondelelcaro: I'm trying to get various viewpoints. Ideally mailing list postings (google ftw).
18:15<mike>execve("/usr/bin/ld", ["/usr/bin/ld", "--eh-frame-hdr", "-m", "elf_i386", "-dynamic-linker", blah blah blah
18:15<witte>!why oftc
18:15<mike>Question answered, ID10T error.
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18:16<witte>!oftc move
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18:16<dpkg>it has been said that oftc move is moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See
18:16<witte>that is the one
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18:16<dondelelcaro>that's why points at oftc, not freenode; not why oftc was created
18:17<witte>dondelelcaro: true :(
18:17<ffm>dondelelcaro: I take it that SPI means "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence", the anti-AIDS group? </humour>
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18:18<wntw>how would one install request-tracker3.6 so as to use apache2 instead of apache? It looks like there's a way to do it
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18:29<ircMonkey>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does almost nothing
18:29<ircMonkey>thus my xorg.conf file don't work
18:31<witte>ircMonkey: problem still not solved?
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18:32<witte>ircMonkey: what is the output of "lspci |grep -i vga"
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18:32<robocop101>ive found a huge bug with there a tel no to call debian and tell them exactly what it is?
18:32<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
18:33<robocop101>no its with debian itself
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18:34<witte>robocop101: but likely you did not find a bug in debian itself, as debian is just a collection of packages
18:34<robocop101>witte....yes i found a bug......called communication skills
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18:36<ircMonkey>witte: hi
18:37<robocop101>i really dont think debian knows how to communicate with ati of now ive spent 12hrs trying different ways of being told what to do to get the card working.....googleing stuff trying that.....trying whats been said heer and still I have an unworkable graphics card
18:37<witte>robocop101: ati drivers are not part of debian
18:38<ircMonkey>witte: yes it's been solved; but I've installed nvidia driver and then it don't work again; also the xorg.conf file was given to me by someone, it's not a generated one
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18:39<witte>ircMonkey: can you upload your current version? and how did you install the nvidia graphics driver?
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18:39<robocop101>wite.....i know......but they are not communicating together to make them work....its aeither a communication problem here or the drivers jusst dont work
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18:40<ircMonkey>witte: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000]; and I've installed nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source; with m-a; from sid; there is something I've got to check (hang)
18:40<witte>robocop101: the drivers should work, and debian will work more actively with ati as soon as they provide open source drivers (or the specs of their cards)
18:40<ircMonkey>Undefined device "(null)" reference by "screen 0"
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18:45<robocop101> wanting the fglrx drivers to work......surely theres not just only me heer using ati cards who cant get them to work properly?
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18:48<dpkg>rumour has it, ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a partial list. <radeon>, <radeonhd>
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18:49<meisteris>hi :)
18:50<silentx>how are you people ?
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18:50<silentx>i'm new here :)
18:50<op>I'm doing fairly well, learning a bit about chroot
18:50<op>silentx: so am i
18:51<silentx>is this room 4 white or Black hats ?
18:51<noflash>silentx, it's for debian support
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18:51<op>This is the main debian channel
18:51<silentx>:) ooh
18:51<op>Some of these guys/gals are nice enough to help me occasionaly
18:52<Aleric>It's for white hats of course.
18:52<silentx>you know all i know about the debian is
18:52<silentx>that you made programmes which are self installing
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18:52<_ZeuZ_>anyone here is having problem with ethcs last sshd update?
18:53<op>silentx: I might be missing something but I have no idea what you are talking about Debian is a Linux Distro
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18:54<alaya>why are there so many "status installed" lines in /var/log/dpkg.log for the same exact package?
18:54<witte>_ZeuZ_: define problem
18:54<silentx>l'm using ubuntu
18:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:55<_ZeuZ_>silentx, all the distros have packaging systems
18:55<_ZeuZ_>witte: sshd working on tcpv6 but not on tcpv4
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18:56<witte>_ZeuZ_: I don't think i have v6 specifically in use, but it seemed to work
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18:57<witte>_ZeuZ_: how do i check? I updated my sshd earlier today
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18:57<_ZeuZ_>witte: netstat -puta
18:57<_ZeuZ_>witte: netstat -puta | grep ssh
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18:58<witte>_ZeuZ_: i indeed use tcp6 it seems for ssh, but for most other stuff just plain tcp
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18:59<_ZeuZ_>thingy is, my iptables rules and traffic shaping rules are fine... but sshd server seems to lock up after changing policies.. checked the config of ssh and it's fine too...
19:00<op>Cya guys, I've got to go check out the MySql group
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19:00<witte>_ZeuZ_: I think though that the original ssh connections (some are still open) are tcp, and only the new ones are tcp6
19:00<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
19:01<_ZeuZ_>witte: it should create tcpv4 as default, and actually as default, for both as I have tcpv6 support enabled on kernel and on the forwards...
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19:06<_ZeuZ_>even though I restart the service, I can't log into it, it just lets me haging and makes timeout...
19:06<_ZeuZ_>though with telnet I can connect to it but receive no further data..
19:07<witte>_ZeuZ_: maybe you find something here:
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19:08<_ZeuZ_>I really don't think it's the key... and I do not use SSL, just the normal RSA keys as the server is virtual inside a real one to whom I have to ssh to, before I can ssh to it...
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19:10<witte>I just suggested it because the ssh update is linked to the ssl thingy
19:10<_ZeuZ_>oh, gotta do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade then
19:11<robocop101> what you are telling me is that ati is unworkable with ati at ther moment?
19:11<panagos>how can i find what record is automatically put into the /etc/fstab file for the CD/DVD drive when first installing debian? because i seem to haev messed up somewhat with it and KDE "autorun" doesn't work! Maybe i should remove any record for it, and let it work via /media/.hal-mtab (like with USB devices)?
19:12<witte>robocop101: no
19:12<witte>robocop101: i never suggested taht
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19:13<_ZeuZ_>robocop101, what's your trouble?
19:14<_ZeuZ_>witte, my packages are all up to date, cron did it for me automatically...
19:14<robocop101>witte............ok my mistake
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19:15<witte>_ZeuZ_: sorry, can't help you with this one, I just know that i still can log in to my etch machine using ssh
19:15<witte>_ZeuZ_: i don't have much of a firewall working though
19:15<robocop101>_Zuez_ Im trying to get my ati 9600xt card working properly.....spent 12hrs trying different suggesteed things.....i need 3d accelleration, fglrx to work......thats all :)
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19:16<_ZeuZ_>robocop101, this might sound you weird, but use the tutorial for compiz-fusion that has that card on mind...
19:16<_ZeuZ_>it will get you to a working path
19:16<witte>robocop101: which debian version
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19:16<_ZeuZ_>just ignore the part of adding the compiz extension and ARGB and AIGLX
19:17<robocop101>witte ive just install 4.03
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19:18<witte>robocop101: ok, in that case you will need the fglrx driver
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19:19<robocop101> seems i need to do something to the sources.list to make it work?
19:19<witte>robocop101: you need to add non-free and contrib to them
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19:20<robocop101>witte.....ok what do iu need to add to the sources.list?
19:20<witte>a line would look like this: deb etch main non-free contrib
19:21<witte>robocop101: with the first part the same as what you have, just make that after main, there is "non-free contrib"
19:22<witte>robocop101: you shouldn't use the entire line, as my server is probably not near your current location...
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19:25<robocop101>witte....ok ive gotten my sources.list now....can i paste in here line by line and be told what i should change \ not change?
19:25<witte>robocop101: no
19:25<witte>robocop101: use a paster
19:25<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
19:26<robocop101>wite....ok whats the patebin addy please?
19:26<witte>robocop101: is the one i gave not good enough?
19:27<witte>!tell robocop101 about pastebin
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19:27<robocop101>witte.......cant see a url for pastebin
19:28<witte>look at what dpkg told you...
19:28<tibi>hi, i'd like to change the default python interpreter for an etch installation... seems this is not handled via alternatives. how can i accomplish this?
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19:30<witte>tibi: maybe through dpkg-reconfigure python/python2.x
19:31<witte>tibi: /usr/bin/python is a symlink
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19:31<tibi>that's not the problem
19:32<tibi>it's the python virtual(?) package that's 2.4
19:32<robocop101>witte......mmy post is here
19:32<tibi>but maybe i should just deinstall all 2.4 packages and go with the symlink hack :-)
19:33<witte>tibi: well, i don't know, i am no vivid python user, probably there is a good alternative, you could ask again later, but i guess the hack would work :-)
19:34<tibi>well, not for installing the package i wanted to install (because that checks for the version of package 'python', but it would work for the rest)
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19:36<apostols>bzed, ping
19:37<witte>robocop101: well, just add contrib non-free in line 5 just as I show here:
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19:40<bzed>apostols: pong
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19:41<robocop101>witte.....ok Ive done that i should be able to install the fglrx drivers now?
19:42<witte>robocop101: yes, "aptitude update" first
19:42<witte>!fglrx one-liner
19:42<dpkg>To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:42<apostols>bzed, pv
19:42<witte>next the fglrx thing that dpkg told
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19:44<dannythm>hello I need some help installing debian stable
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19:45<dannythm>I had a dual boot debian/win XP that worked perfectly
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19:45<robocop101>witte.....oh no!!.........look FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
19:45<dannythm>and I remember having trouble with the NET install because someting about the wake-on-lan function in XP was preventing the debian installer to use the ethernet card
19:46<dannythm>but I recived help here and finally installed it
19:46<witte>robocop101: do it as root
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19:46<dannythm>then I installed vista x64 business
19:46<dannythm>and want to recober my dual boot, and the same thing is happening
19:46<robocop101>witte.........that is root....should i of used sux......super user?
19:47<dannythm>but can't remember where or what to disable in vista so it let my ethernet card work in debian
19:47<dannythm>can anyone please help me? =)
19:47<witte>robocop101: what is the output of whoami
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19:47<witte>dannythm: did you remove your debian partition, or just installed vista next to it?
19:47<robocop101>witte it says root
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19:48<dannythm>witte: when I installed vista I formatted the disks and let 100gb free to install debian on them
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19:49<norbert_>hidiho ~\o/ there a (good) PS2 emulator for Linux?
19:49<dannythm>witte: if not I'd just recover my grub =P
19:49<witte>dannythm: ok, in that case you can not "rescue" your system
19:49<witte>dannythm: indeed :-)
19:49<dannythm>witte: I just want to know what to disable in vista that is preventing linux to use my network card
19:50<witte>robocop101: what does "modprobe fglrx" give?
19:50<dannythm>witte: I know it has something to do with the wake-on-LAN stuff...
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19:50<susanne-->is there a commonly-available wireless router out there that will support more than, like, two wireless machines at once? i'm pulling my hair out here trying to make a really fucked up situation work.
19:50<witte>dannythm: i am a poor student, i do not have vista (or windows for that matter) :-)
19:50<dannythm>witte: you do good, but I love gaming =P anyway thx for trying to help =)
19:51<cassiano>susanne--: any cheap wifi router out there should support 200+ wireless hosts
19:51<robocop101>witte i gwet this FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
19:51<susanne-->cassiano: that's what you'd think, but it's not actually true. i've tried two different linksys units and three belkins and they all seem to support no more than about three. disconnect one of the working ones and one of the non-working ones suddenly start working.
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19:52<witte>susanne--: I think my fon router (12 euro for router + antenna) supports about 254
19:52<witte>robocop101: what kernel do you run (uname -a)
19:53<cassiano>susanne--: I haven't tried to connect that many, but my Buffallo WHR-G54S definitely supports at least 3 wifi + 1 ethernet
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19:53<dannythm>does anyone know what feature of windows can be preventing me to use my network card uner linux?
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19:53<dannythm>I had problems before in xp with the wake-on-lan features, but disabling them in vista does not fix the problem
19:54<robocop101>witte Linux homenw 2.6.18-6-k7 #1 SMP Thu May 8 08:09:57 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
19:54<witte>dannythm: it is not that the ip is not released after shutting down or so (that was a windows bug in 98)
19:55<witte>robocop101: I don't know, try this: echo fglrx >> /etc/modules
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19:55<witte>robocop101: reboot (I know, you never should reboot, but still, try it), and report back
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19:55<dannythm>witte: I'm usign a different IP for debian
19:56<witte>robocop101: at that moment it still wont work (you will have to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" after reboot)
19:56<robocop101>witte......i will reboot and see what happens :)
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19:57<cassiano>susanne--: have you tried openwrt or dd-wrt?
19:58<cassiano>susanne--: if your router is compatible, it is definitely worth the conversion
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19:59<dannythm>ahh well
19:59<dannythm>I shall ask in the morning then
19:59<dannythm>thx for trying anyway =)
19:59<susanne-->cassiano: i bricked a router trying to install it today.
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19:59<susanne-->the others i have easy access to are not compatible.
19:59<dannythm>may your computers don't distub you!! gn!
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20:01<susanne-->the one i killed can't be fixed without a jtag cable and a soldering iron, neither of which i have.
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20:02<robocop101>witte.....i still have a jumpy screensaver......but i think were getting there :)
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20:02<witte>robocop101: did you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the fgrlx driver?
20:03<maxb>Does anyone know what the three different architectures on which keys were generated for inclusion in the openssh-blacklist are? (Obviously x86 is one)
20:03<robocop101> i will do that now
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20:03<susanne-->maxb: it doesn't matter. replace your keys anyway. some folks believe that the blacklist isn't exhaustive.
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20:04<maxb>The more I learn about the vulnerability the more I become convinced that the blacklist probably is exhaustive
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20:04<susanne-->maxb: why chance it?
20:06<robocop101>witte, .......brb
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20:06<maxb>I could replace my own keys with little pain if I wasn't convinced that they were all generated before the vulnerability was created, but the blacklist is incredibly useful in auditing other people's keys on servers
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20:09*witte wonders if it would have been necessary to give robocop101 a short tutorial on "how to regain your system when X is failing" before letting him reconfigure his xserver :-)
20:09<susanne-->what i'm curious about is why on earth the maintainer made the change he did -- what debian-specific thing was so necessary that he had to jack with the generation code?
20:09<susanne-->witte: no.
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20:10<cassiano>susanne--: that's too bad... it's really worth it. i've got dd-wrt on mine and now i want to try openwrt out, but didn't have the time to do it
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20:10<witte>susanne--: that is described in the wiki
20:11<susanne-->cassiano: that is actually the second router i've bricked.
20:11<cassiano>susanne--: are you sure you can't recover them via tftp?
20:12<cassiano>susanne--: i have actually bricked mine trying to install dd-wrt, but the tftp method worked and dd-wrt has been there since then
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20:12<witte>robocop101: what news?
20:13<robocop101>witte......i think i need to do something to my xorg still getting ajumpy screensaver :(
20:14<witte>robocop101: can you do this: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i fglrx
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20:17<robocop101>witte, .......i have the driver installed...i have the ati control panel now.....but i get an error message saying this "driver does not provide the firegl extentions....panel components will operate only partially
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20:17<witte>robocop101: i am sorry, can't help you any further than this, try to google for it
20:17<witte>I have to get up in 5h30...
20:18<robocop101>witte, .....its ok......youve been a great help....mayber ati is missing something out or i need to dfo some more editing in the xorg.conf file
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20:19<_ZeuZ_>do as I tell you, and follow the compiz-fusion tutorial to get hardware acceleration and so on...
20:19<elrod>t qui toi ?
20:19<_ZeuZ_>!fr | elrod
20:20<witte>!fr | witte
20:20<dpkg>rumour has it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
20:20<_ZeuZ_>No problem...
20:21<witte>_ZeuZ_: ok, i thought that was a shortcut for the !tell <person> about <something> thing
20:21<_ZeuZ_>I thought that too xD
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20:21<_ZeuZ_>but I guess it was something like !tell NICK about fr
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20:22<elrod>nick ?
20:22<robocop101>_ZeuZ_, .......ok im ready....witte did an awful lot to get me here :)
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20:22<elrod>scrognegneu j'y comprends rien
20:23<_ZeuZ_>elrod your NICK is elrod
20:23<elrod>where do you come from
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20:23<elrod>and you're _zeuz_
20:23<_ZeuZ_>robocop101, did you get it working allready?
20:23<_ZeuZ_>elrod, exactly, I wanted to explain it somehow...
20:23<_ZeuZ_>I'm argentinian
20:24<elrod>ok so space this media
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20:24<DaCapn>_ZeuZ_ voting is required by law there isn't it?
20:24<DaCapn>... in Argentina?
20:24<robocop101>_ZeuZ_, .....only needs some more stuff doing to make everything run smoothly.....i was getting there with wittes was running better
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20:24<elrod>which law ?
20:25<_ZeuZ_>DaCapn, yeah, but politics make dead people from 1810 vote still
20:25<DaCapn>Haha. Anyway, OT, sorry.
20:25<_ZeuZ_>robocop101, just do as I say, the manual of is pretty well explained
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20:25<susanne-->grr. crappy setup.
20:26<robocop101>_ZeuZ_, ok go ahead step by step and i will folow your instructions :)
20:26<_ZeuZ_>you're on the ttys? or in some d.e ?
20:28<elrod>d.e. ?
20:28<_ZeuZ_>desktop enviroment.
20:28<elrod>ok :)
20:28<_ZeuZ_>Either way, go here:
20:28<_ZeuZ_>and there you'll find the link to install it with aiglx
20:28<_ZeuZ_>or Xgl
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20:29<_ZeuZ_>And that, is detailed, REALLY detailed...
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20:37<robocop101>_ZeuZ_, witte.......i can see where the problems lie using the grep command returned this glxinfo | grep -i direct
20:37<robocop101>bash: glxinfo: command not found
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20:40<elrod>qui -too irc
20:41<cassiano>robocop101: glxinfo belongs to the mesa-utils package. try to install it and run the command again
20:42<robocop101> do i install it please?
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20:44<cassiano>robocop101: apt-get install mesa-utils
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20:45<cassiano>robocop101: run it as root
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20:47<_ZeuZ_>or through sudo
20:47<_ZeuZ_>sorry, I was dealing with tc
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20:51<robocop101>here is the latest message ive got :
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20:53<robocop101>its seems now very likely that debian wont work with my crad and im considering uninstalling debian and using another debian based distro
20:54<_ZeuZ_>if it can work with a debian based one, it so can be done with Debian
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20:57<_ZeuZ_>goto ATIs site, and follow their FAQ and notes...
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20:57<_ZeuZ_>Read it entirely and comprehend before doing anything
20:58<robocop101>_ZeuZ_, i know....but 14hrs of tryingsays to me that something is wrong....badly wrong......ive followed all instructions now and i still get the saame thing.......but im gonna reboot now and see what hapens........brb
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20:58<_ZeuZ_>THis guy just followed instructions from here xD
20:58<_ZeuZ_>Seems like he never read anything...
20:59<_ZeuZ_>Myself, I've only dealt with nVidia cards...
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21:05<lucas_amorim>hello. I have tried to log on the lab server I usually log but today I got a strange message like this " WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed.". When I try to log on another server everything goes fine, and I can even log on to the other server I could not log on directly...
21:06<dendrite>lucas_amorim: So... What's the question? =)
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21:06<susanne-->lucas_amorim: read the /topic. msg dpkg dsa1571
21:08<lucas_amorim>dendrite: Why is this message coming up only in my machine. How can I avoid it and log on the server?
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21:09<dendrite>The message is pretty self explanitory. The host key of that machine has changed. The message probably also describes what line of what file contains your local copy of that offending host key.
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21:09<lucas_amorim>ok.. forget it, just found a way to solve it...
21:09<lucas_amorim>thanks ;)
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21:12<gg>somebody can help me i have a question?
21:13<gg>i want to install debian
21:13<gg>but is not detecting my network card
21:13<gg>i have a compaq 3000
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21:14<dendrite>gg: Do you happen to know what type of network card it is?
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21:14<gg>dendrite, is an nVidia Corporation MCP67 PCI Bridge
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21:15<dendrite>gg: ... Hmm. Bridge isn't NIC... OK, you're in the installer now?
21:16<gg>yea tell me
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21:16<dendrite>gg: OK, are you familiar with Virtual Terminals (VT's) ?
21:16<robocop101>oh no witte and _zues arent here now.were 5 mins ago on the now non working debian box :(
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21:16<dendrite>gg: OK, got to VT2, and run lspci
21:16<pathagenx>Hey everyone. I'm trying to switch Sidux to the Sid 2.6.25 kernel. I'm using Lilo. I have the initramfs specified in lilo.conf but when I boot using it, I get eventually dropped to busybox and am told to specify init= and then am prompted with (initramfs):
21:17<dendrite>gg: Look for a line that says VGA or similar.
21:17<gg>ok nVidia Corporation GeForce 7150M
21:17<dendrite>Oops, sorry, I said VGA, meant Network
21:18<dendrite>I'm like ... that's a VIDEO card...
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21:18<gg>Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI
21:19<dendrite>gg: OK, now the question is one of finding if there's a loadable module for that card. Do you have a machine handy you can web search on?
21:19<dendrite>gg: I'll also look...
21:19<gg>k dendrite
21:20<dendrite>gg: wireless install is generally harder...
21:20<gg>to load the module modprobe b 43
21:20<gg>but isn't load
21:21<dendrite>gg: Is there supposed to be a space between the 'b' and the '43' ?
21:21<gg>yes it was an error modprobe b43
21:22<pathagenx>does noone use lilo? e.e
21:22<dendrite>gg: What error?
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21:22<gg>haaa i found the problem
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21:22<dendrite>gg: What was it?
21:22<gg>its loading a module ssb
21:22<gg>an its in confict
21:22<gg>a its work
21:23<dendrite>gg: Ah, rmmod worked to remove the wrong one?
21:23<gg>i put in the black list now
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21:23<dendrite>gg: Sounds like you have some idea what you're doing. :-)
21:23<gg>thanks dendrite
21:23<dendrite>gg: welcome, good luck.
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21:24<gg>thanks for the help
21:24<dendrite>pathagenx: Ask your real question.
21:24<gg>cya people
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21:41<Laeborg>any good programs to stream music into a shoutcast server?
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21:47<dendrite>Laeborg: I think Kaffeine has something like that...
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21:50<pathagenx>I'm trying to switch Sidux to the Sid 2.6.25 kernel. I'm using Lilo. I have the initramfs specified in lilo.conf but when I boot using it, I get eventually dropped to busybox and am told to specify init= and then am prompted with (initramfs):
21:51<chealer>pathagenx: this is a Debian support channel. ask your vendor
21:51<dendrite>pathagenx: We reallly have no idea about Sidux.
21:52<pathagenx>They gave much the same answer
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21:53<pathagenx>Look. Sidux is just Sid with some scripts and fancy artwork. I have updated from Sid main contrib non-free and have stripped out everything that is Sidux
21:54<dendrite>pathagenx: Well, first, either it's Debian or it isn't. Second, if you're running Sid, you really need to be able to solve stuff like this without a lot of help.
21:55<pathagenx>Sidux was all that was available at the time for me, so I used it as an install and then reverted it to Sid official. BUT trying to install linux-image-686 I am having trouble
21:55<pathagenx>So forget the whole Sidux thing. Why am I being asked to specify init, when it is already specified in lilo?
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21:55<dendrite>pathagenx: Sid can be a bitch, sometimes, eh?
21:56<pathagenx>I'm a slacker. Unstable doesn't seem too different from stable, to be ;P
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21:57<pathagenx>I am an experienced user but all of my experience is with Slackware. If anyone could just give me any ideas what COULD be happening, I could probably sort it out on my own. But I am clueless atm.
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22:00<chealer>pathagenx: sidux is not "just" Sid with some scripts and fancy artwork
22:01<dondelelcaro>pathagenx: because whatever you're using to boot is mounting a filesystem which does not have init on it (or is unable to mount the root filesystem)
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22:01<pathagenx>Thanks Don
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22:03<gravity>God, I hate not knowing the answer to something like that.
22:04<gravity>Because in hindsight it's like "Oh yeah! Of course!"
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22:17<dotCOMmie>anyone know if its possible to have thunderbird/icedove always send abreviated headers when forwarding?
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22:22<linux_guy>if i can just downlad an older version of etch with an old gnome can i uupdate just the kernel!!
22:22<dondelelcaro>dotCOMmie: abbreviated headers?
22:23<dondelelcaro>linux_guy: it's possible, but generally not something you want to do.
22:24<dotCOMmie>dondelelcaro: if you have view>headers>all set then whenever you forward an email it will send full headers and not just the usual From,date fields
22:24<linux_guy>can you give me the command for updating the kernel and where do i get an older version of the gnome or kde desktop
22:24<dondelelcaro>dotCOMmie: almost everything that forwards (if it does so properly) will send the full headers
22:25<dondelelcaro>dotCOMmie: but that said, there should be an option to inline the message instead of attaching the rfc822 message.
22:26<dotCOMmie>dondelelcaro: even if I tell it to forward inline it attaches full headers
22:26<linux_guy>i completly new to debian but not new to linux ive been running a server in the pure linux kernel
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22:27<linux_guy>can i port microsoft office to debian
22:27<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; you can trivially delete the headers if you want
22:27<linux_guy>i saw a screenshot of debain with it
22:27<dondelelcaro>linux_guy: no point; just use openoffice.
22:28<linux_guy>its the same?? completly
22:28<dotCOMmie>dondelelcaro: I know that much, its a waste of my time though d:
22:28<dondelelcaro>presumably someone was using wine if that's what you saw... but supporting that and getting it set up is not on topic here.
22:28<dondelelcaro>you could file a wishlist bug; mutt does it properly.
22:29<dondelelcaro>someone on -user may also know, or someone on may too.
22:29<dotCOMmie>dondelelcaro: thanks. I'm checking now
22:29<linux_guy>they say open office uses much more memory ijust have 256mb :-( is there any other alternative
22:30<dondelelcaro>it doesn't use all that much
22:30<dondelelcaro>(and it's not going to use more than MS office; and in any event, if you're really concerned about memory usage, you shouldn't be using an office suite anyway... use latex+editor or similar)
22:31<linux_guy>so the command is "apt-get install ??"
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22:47<diego>hi, I have to type ifdown eth1 when I restart or otherwise something ugly happens in my route table when I connect with wifi
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22:47<diego>anyway to start the eth1 interface down
22:48<diego>without putting ifdown eth1 in rc.local
22:48<diego>thats really ugly to do ;)
22:48<dendrite>diego: Just don't put "auto eth1" in your /etc/network/interfaces file
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22:49<dendrite>Mmmm... Siesta.
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22:50<diego>mmm, it says allow-hotplug eth1
22:50<diego>not auto
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22:51<diego>I want to be able to ifup eth1
22:51<diego>I just want it down when I start
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23:00<zZeroacid>hi i have a problem with oidentd .. i got the error: no-user .. any idea ?
23:00<pathagenx>How do I get sd* back to being hd* again?
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23:05<sea>pathagenx: bye a hdd ata , maybe
23:06<pathagenx>sea: thankyou for being an idiot
23:06<sea>ah sorry
23:07<sea>pathagenx: than reinstall
23:07<pathagenx>libata or something makes everything sd*
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23:08<pathagenx>sata/raid/pata/ide all get lumped together and break the standard naming convention.
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23:14<ddd>hi, I dont wanna type the password for the gnome keyring all the time
23:14<ddd>it ask it when I login for the wifi
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23:15<ddd>anyway to make it go without it
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23:19<mitch>can someone help me compile firefox 3
23:19<cwood>mitch: since it's only in pre-release or beta last I heard, I just downloaded the precompiled version... any reason you really need to compile it?
23:19<cwood>Also, maybe the mozilla or firefox channels might help more?
23:19<mitch>cwood, i am on a ppc
23:20<mitch>cwood would you be able to help
23:21<cwood>Sorry, not me. Start with the INSTALL and README files, perhaps.
23:21<mitch>cwood, where is the firefox channel?
23:21<cwood>Perhaps #firefox somewhere.
23:21<mitch>thanks for your help
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23:21<cwood>Best of luck.
23:21<PaYiTo>somebody helpme?
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23:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
23:22<mitch>how do i get firefox on debian. I keep getting icewesel
23:23<dotCOMmie>mitch: for all practical purposes its the same thing.
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23:24<mitch>dotCOMmie, my school's website sees it as icewesel and will not let me log in a a result
23:25<mitch>cwood, i know that
23:25<dotCOMmie>mitch: install one of many plugins which switch user agent string
23:25<cwood>You could ask your school administrator why he has such restrictive user-agent types listed.
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23:25<cwood>Or you can simply go to, and download one of those to use with your school.
23:25<mitch>cwood, i'm on ppc....
23:26<cwood>Sounds like the plugin is your way forward, then.
23:26<dotCOMmie>mitch: here is one:
23:28<mitch>how do i get gtk+-2.0. I keep getting errors when i compile
23:29<dotCOMmie>mitch: aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev
23:29<cwood>probably install the dev packages for everything you have problems with.
23:29<mitch>zered said it mightn ot be in etch
23:30<cwood>Try it and see.
23:31<susanne-->you prob go to a shitty school. make your parents move you.
23:31<mitch>susanne--, I go to a fine school. I enjoy it
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23:31<dotCOMmie>susanne--: apparently it recognizes firefox.. cant be that bad d:
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23:32<susanne-->scary. the only thing i ever wanted to do in school was leave.
23:32<mitch>susanne--, cause you got preggeers
23:32<susanne-->course i went to a place where it was ok for other students to jam broomsticks up my ass.
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23:32<mitch>susanne--, you loved it
23:33<susanne-->yeah. i love being sexually assaulted.
23:35<mitch>each his own. Just because you had a bad college exprince doesn't mean mine will be so
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23:35<susanne-->oh i was thinking high school. college wasn't so bad. i got permission to carry a gun on campus, made it much better for me.
23:36<mitch>College is amazing i love it
23:36<mitch>that did not help
23:36<mitch>i still get Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.10.0 gtk+-unix-print-2.0 gdk-x11-2.0 glib-2.0 gobject-2.0) not met
23:37<cwood>mitch: Looks like you can start going down your list and installing the -dev packages, or installing the versions you need. OR, you could fake your user-agent using the add-on that dotCOMmie posted earlier.
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23:38<mitch>cwood, why won't you let me try and learn
23:38<cwood>mitch: I don't see how I could prevent you from anything, could I?
23:39<dotCOMmie>mitch: do apt-cache search lib$LIBNAME; then figure out which one you need and install; good luck
23:39<cwood>If you want to learn, start by reading the Firefox installation documentation. There are lots of tips available by easy Google searches, this as one example:
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